00:06:04.400So, Svon – oh, and I should say this.
00:06:07.140We are going through the VelocePow.org version.
00:06:13.000You're welcome to follow along in whatever version you like,
00:06:15.440but that's the one we're going to be reading from if you want to get to that.
00:06:18.100And Svahn, where did we leave off last time you were with us?
00:06:22.400So we are currently going down the list of the AUS, and we had established to everyone that the list is also the same list as the temples, as they are being attained.
00:06:38.200And so for anyone that's wondering, oh, well, what temples are next?
00:06:45.100um there is a little side loop we will step into with holy frey freya um or fruia depending on
00:06:54.520certain people's opinions um but yes we're going uh down the list and then we will cover the two
00:07:02.680um major polaric our senior or goddesses our senior and um that will be
00:07:14.020uh you know deep lore or at least i think for a lot of folks and expounding on the true log mal
00:07:23.180and how people can uh see and orientate themselves to the gods to the goddesses i think it's really
00:07:34.880really important but bear in mind you can go to uh runestone.org and there is the true log mal
00:07:42.420which is a very condensed version to make sure that you get everything in order, but it only scratches the surface.
00:07:53.140And I hope tonight that I can give an idea of how the Gothar and the theological placement and where we discuss the God and try to build our relationship on behalf of the folk can go very, very deep.
00:08:14.080um and i i just had some kind of interesting talking points that i wanted to bring up and
00:08:20.880and that have been kind of circulating amongst the gofar so
00:08:25.380uh we oh to answer the question though we um i was going to start up on of nether and skadi
00:08:40.700um so section 23 um and i believe this is uh the reason too is i wanted to do a little rehash
00:08:57.020we covered this last episode but i wanted to just come back a little bit so that way we could kind
00:09:05.100of expound on more things. So I don't know if you, did you want me to jump right in?
00:09:15.840Yeah, if you would, let's go ahead and get started.
00:09:19.320And Darren, in the chat, the questions that are asked and the questions that are brought
00:09:26.480in through email we will stop periodically to answer them and uh so you know be patient uh
00:09:37.200stick around and you know talk to everybody in the chat about the the the questions or any other
00:09:44.960things that aren't kind of being covered but also just bear in mind this is the core of our faith
00:09:52.720And the relationships with the gods, I think, is one of the biggest hurdles that a lot of our members have, especially if they're coming from a strictly monotheistic worldview.
00:10:09.000And so I think this would be very helpful for a lot of people to start building relationships with the gods, with the Aesir.
00:10:16.580So, again, King Gilvi is in disguise as Gangliri, and he is the wide but weary traveler who comes in to trick the gods into giving up all their information without knowing his stature.
00:10:42.640And they are speaking about the Aesir, which is the plural for Aus and Ausenir, god and goddess.
00:10:54.020And the Aesir, he's going through the list and he's hinting towards poems.
00:11:00.560So there will be little interjections where we will hear poems mentioned to reemphasize the poem.
00:11:09.060So 23, he speaks of Njordr and Skadi, and I just had the blessing of being down at Njordr's
00:11:22.740off. So the third among the Aesir is he that is called Njardar. He dwells in heaven in the abode0.55
00:11:36.160called Novatun. He rules the course of the wind and stills the sea and fire. That's an interesting
00:11:44.700that those two dichotomy as well. On him shall men call for voyages and for hunting. He is so
00:11:54.320prosperous and abounding in wealth that he may give them plenty of lands or of gear, and him
00:12:01.720shall men invoke for such things. Nyodr is not of the race of the Aesir. He was reared in the land0.56
00:12:11.400of the vanir and the vanir delivered him as a hostage to the gods and took for hostage in
00:12:18.840exchange him with that that men i think that's a typo called uh he became uh an atonement between
00:12:33.480the gods and the Vanir, Njordr has two wives, and again, the way it's written, he doesn't have to,
00:12:41.780he has a wife, called Skadi, the daughter of Fyazi the giant. Skadi would fain dwell in the0.86
00:12:52.740abode, which her father had had, which is on certain mountains in a place called Thrymheimr,
00:13:29.480I was not long in them. Nights, only nine. To me, the wailing of the wolves seemed ill after the songs of swans.
00:13:40.960Then Skadi sang in retort, sleep could I never on the seabeds. For the wailing of the waterfowl, he wakens me.
00:13:50.540Who comes from the deep, the sea knew every morn.0.92
00:13:53.680Then Skadi went up to the mountains and dwelt in Threemheimr, and she goes for more part on snowshoes and with a bow and arrow, and she shoots the beasts, and she is called the snowshoe goddess, or the lady of the snowshoes.0.79
00:14:11.140And so it is said, Threemheimers, it is called, where Thiazi dwelt, he the hideous giant, but now Skavi abides, pure bride of the gods in her father's ancient freehold.
00:14:28.220And I was listening to the VNS last week, and there was a great point about divinity making connections and divinity having offspring, and the way that we associate divinity to have offspring is based on what we understand, which is ourselves.
00:14:54.480But I think it is interesting to consider. And this would be very much like the theorization of say, if you're reading a book by Davidson, and there's theorizations in these books by scholars, but consider that the theorizations that come from us are coming from people that believe
00:15:51.840They did hunt, but the snowshoe was for these kind of high climbs.
00:15:59.980And so the idea that a spirit, a Jotun, which again, anybody that hears that word should think ancient being, is taken out by the gods.0.91
00:16:16.000Again, this is them adjudicating their order on the world.0.93
00:16:21.380And they don't replace. She attempts to gain revenge, but is then brought into the fold with the gods through nonviolent means.
00:16:37.740So there is this kinship that's built immediately, and she now has dominion over that place.
00:16:50.500And so the idea, like oftentimes, what I'll do is say at Njordtsov, if you look behind Skadi, you'll see a glacier.
00:17:03.940And I believe in my interpretations of this that Skadi is of the mountain, but that her relationship with Lord Njordtsov is beyond simply a marriage.
00:17:15.200But that this is a water cycle truth that the gods have given to us, and maybe perhaps our ancestors didn't fully understand it in, say, a scientific sense, but could clearly understand it by observation that rivers beget to the ocean, through the glacier, and so we have the mountain coming down to the water.
00:17:40.480And then there is the return. The water evaporates and goes back up. So that's an interesting point, too. But also the danger and what the mountains represented, avalanches, snow drifts.
00:18:00.260And so it is good for our folk to, in certain situations, reach out to even the Austvenir, but it also says she is a cold of, she's cold of heart.0.91
00:18:15.480So, you know, the benevolence is but so far.
00:18:21.000But I think it's very interesting that it's, again, built on relationship.
00:18:26.520And so the snowshoe represents the incline. It represents the mountainous terrain. And so it kind of shows dominion again, where Skadi's dominion is, as opposed to Ullr's dominion.
00:18:45.020And Lord Ullr is called the ski god, but he is also called the god of self-defense, the god of dueling, and the god of the hunt.
00:18:55.820And a lot of people try to connect the two, I think, improperly, because they're not considering even down to the skis and the snowshoes, how different that would mean.
00:19:11.660if you were saying you were going to go up into the mountains and take your skis, people would
00:19:15.920look at you like, you know, you have something strange growing out of your forehead. And so
00:19:23.000I think that these little nuances are very important for the Gothar to discuss and to
00:19:30.540teach the folk to give these considerations. Of course, for those who might not know,
00:19:39.880skavi means to scathe or to strike. And that is another reason why I lend to the glacial.0.98
00:19:50.840And I have a tendency to formulate the divine into four aspects. There's story, there is
00:19:58.680environmental or material um there is inner spiritual and then outer cosmic or
00:20:09.480physics based maybe even um where it gets very very abstract um and it is
00:20:17.880really dependent on kind of our knowledge of things um so as we go bear that in mind
00:20:25.480because i'll be covering those four over and over and over again um so 24 now we bring ourselves to
00:20:37.140uh the offspring of lord nyarder and before we start it's worth noting there there is a twin
00:20:47.040mechanism distinct in our faith and i would argue many aryan branches where there is a twinning of
00:20:59.660the water and the land um and we see it continue on in the vanic or what we i've titled like the
00:21:10.220the natural law gods versus the cosmic order gods um the natural law gods are built of the earth
00:21:20.860they are in the middle world they are the first gods that human the folk have um interacted with
00:21:30.540uh with great um amount and we see this twinning um another thing that's
00:21:40.060really interesting for for people that are into this and i won't dally too long because i know
00:21:44.940some people who aren't into it are just like okay son but um the got the gutanish or gothic
00:21:53.660god of the rivers is mentioned his name is don was or don boss d-o-n-w-a-s and that is the masculine
00:22:04.620of the danu and for the longest time as we look at like say irish stories and meta narratives
00:22:13.500we have only seen and and prospected the feminine of the danu and here we have
00:22:21.580the masculine as well so i believe that is substantial to a twinning that a lot of people
00:22:28.060don't consider. But the twinning continues. Njordr has, he begets twins. And again, they are deeply
00:24:50.920Half the kill she keepeth each day, and half Odin has.
00:24:57.220Her hall is called Sesrumnir, seating room.
00:25:02.260And it is great and fair. And when she goes forth, she drives her cats and sits in a chariot. She is most comfortable to men's prayers. And from her comes the name of honor through, by which noble women are called. Songs of love are well-pleasing to her. It is good to call on her for furtherance in love.
00:25:28.720um one of the big things is that this is duly noted as a side note she is kind of downplayed
00:25:38.700later on in the list of the out senior because i think she has the the focus is here um but it was
00:25:48.120to emphasize the twinning of the two and where we have uh holy frere is of prosperity especially of
00:26:00.600the earth of the harvest of the animals we move into freya as partially i would say a harvesting
00:26:10.320of the earth through precious metals. But I think the biggest point is beauty. And I think that
00:26:18.480beauty, and to simply say a goddess of beauty, is underwhelming because so many philosophers1.00
00:26:28.080of the Western world, of many Aryan branches of existence, have always postulated the ideas
00:26:36.940of beauty in regards to purpose and why beauty is important, why there is a necessity to show beauty
00:26:48.180in the things that we do, to have standards. And it boils down ultimately to beauty being
00:26:59.180in juxtaposition to death that the creation of beauty very much like the creation of children
00:27:08.840or the creation of art is so important you know if you have a laborer who has his body and things
00:27:18.140that's a laborer if you have a person who uses his body and his mind that's a tradesman
00:27:22.860If you have a person who uses his body, his mind, and his heart, you have an artisan. And so clearly art and beauty are interconnected into creating a threshold level of like your society.
00:27:42.020And letting that go, letting that be reduced down or minimalized or turned into some sort of kind of brutal artwork or brutal architecture is one of the biggest flaws that I think we've done in the West.0.82
00:27:59.140And when we look at Holy Freya, the affront to her as being the source or the inspiration of beauty, we also see this with the brzingaman, the necklace that she bears, the emanating force.
00:28:22.440A lot of people on the internet will kind of say, oh, no, this is a representation of the driving force of that natural law to reproduce.
00:28:34.740And I think they're partially correct, but they, in modern times, have reduced reproduction down to emotionless, something that is simply done.
00:28:52.440done for pleasure, done for committal, or done because of circumstance. And I think our ancestors
00:28:59.980did not view it that way. I think that they combined the idea that having physical relationship
00:29:10.900was not simply just that a transactional idea. It was emotional. It was mental. And in that,
00:29:21.680it had a sense of beauty that inspired poetry, that inspired men to fight and defend for their
00:29:30.620families. Did everyone do this? Obviously not. You could slice out someone and say, oh,
00:29:36.300It doesn't seem like your theory holds up here. I'm talking about the greater strata of a society and what ultimately many societies in the West attempted to achieve, whether it was the nobility and grandeur of Napoleon or whether it was the stability of a nation in the
00:30:06.300coupling like in spain uh just before world war ii so we see that this relationship
00:30:14.460um and its importance coming about and one of the things it requires is stability
00:30:21.180stability comes from having the food you need having uh the prosperity and out of that comes
00:30:30.860the ability to facilitate beauty so the things that i'd like to
00:30:41.180it's all and i was talking with spawn uh before the program a little bit about you know where to
00:30:47.580intersperse some things because there's things kind of in common to the icer generally and then
00:30:55.740there is you know again several of them get mentioned in different places so there's a little
00:31:01.420bit of i don't know stuff to think about on it so what i think is a thread in here that is
00:31:11.980i think something i really like about the gilford getting and something i think is
00:31:15.660very important for us to think about we
00:31:19.420it's the best way to encapsulate this so
00:31:24.700the tv has told us that vikings are about barbarism and shoulder pelts and ashes on the face
00:31:37.440and you know uh just raw animalness in the best i mean they're they feed in other things there but
00:31:50.600something that that's not new something that from classical times they're written as the other
00:31:56.500so one thing that a thread that people thread that authors when you deal with scholars be they
00:32:04.700modern or ancient like to pull on for threads all the way back to you know tacitus or herodotus or
00:32:12.220anyone coming from the quote unquote civilized world world interacting with these barbarians0.89
00:32:18.700they point out the exotic or the different and when they're in a like particularly puritanical
00:32:27.180spot. They will pull out the sexual freeness of some of these groups of people. They don't always
00:32:35.060add the context in there. Something that I think is really a challenge for us as a people, we like
00:32:42.300to get very passionately behind an all or nothing mentality on things. Our gods and our folk
00:32:52.300embrace life it's one of the standout things about also true and about non-abrahamic faiths
00:33:01.060to a large degree is a celebration of the existence the natural world
00:33:08.420life and human existence isn't sinful or gross or dirty so you do see a more realistic approach
00:33:20.400to sexuality you see things where it's not like an icky thing that you have to do in order to make
00:33:26.000children so you might you shouldn't have fun in doing so because that'll anger some very uh
00:33:34.320i don't know very prudish deity but that's not the same as like cool let's just you know go out and
00:33:43.520you know engage in carnal interaction with anything that moves at the drop of a hat
00:33:49.360with whatever there's a lot more of a nuanced and real deal here but when we deal specifically
00:33:56.480i would say with the other with freya and with freya these are gods that
00:34:06.640embrace life and the living world around them the forces of procreation of lust of fecundity
00:34:15.760all of these things have a place and i know in modern house true we get real prudish in a lot
00:34:21.360of places and we do that because we live in a world that is extremely deviant so we we fill
00:34:28.640in the gap with you know going really hard swinging the opposite direction one of the keys to nobility
00:34:35.680though is taking the agency as an aryan man or woman to decide on behavior for yourself and choose
00:34:46.320the things that you think are appropriate it's much harder than just reading down a list of
00:34:51.200thou shalt and thou shalt not the strive to be noble is really important it's also really useful
00:34:58.880to me and for us all to learn from the the naming here there is inherent order and structure
00:35:07.600throughout this piece all together it presents the gods as a unified body you'll see that
00:35:14.320these different gods were broken up into different tribes that was settled in combat and through
00:35:22.020treaty to bond them together as one tribe. You see the Allfather leading a unified court of gods
00:35:31.380in a unified family of divinity producing order. You don't see, you know, that's why it's kind of
00:35:38.940silly when you see the crowd that wants to do their own thing that used to be that don't hear
00:35:45.380it used very often anymore but there's like a vanatru instead of alsatru you know this is0.89
00:35:51.820unified and you can have unity and still be polytheist some of the time nope we need to
00:35:58.660have more unity so let's try to simplify deity down to where it's just one god or just a god
00:36:06.640and a goddess or whatever that is no this presents that you can have many gods and still be in a
00:36:15.860unified faith and i think that's an important element i also think we talk about nobility
00:36:21.020we're talking about deities of um of the the carnal in a lot of ways of the physical world
00:36:32.500of reproduction of lust of mating of procreating but this is a god whose name means lord and who
00:36:43.460uh a goddess whose name means means lady this implies nobility and imbues
00:36:51.860fundamentals of their character that they're dignified and that's you know always been an
00:36:57.620important ambition of our folk has been to be dignified to have um good reputation to be thought
00:37:05.540well of to hold yourself to a higher standard and be known for that um that's been a characteristic
00:37:14.420of our folks since the beginning and i think elements of that show up in this list and will
00:37:20.340show up more as we continue but i wanted to throw that out there while we were on it
00:37:24.020yeah and uh southern heathen in the um chat said uh you know he spoke about the altar god um for
00:37:36.320uh holy frere the god of the world god of worldly things and so the idea of not denouncing it's so
00:37:46.240eastern to say oh no we can't uh think about prosperity we can't think about um uh procreation
00:37:56.380and and sex but at the same time it's tempered with you know we know that when someone acts
00:38:05.680unseemly it is talked about it was talked about by our ancestors sometimes it was excused simply
00:38:12.600because the people acting crazy were a political force or they were somehow, you know, a danger in
00:38:21.440that sense that you sometimes couldn't just freely talk about it. But on the general, you know,
00:38:26.580it was noted. Tacitus noticed it, that there was a sense of nobility and the idea that between
00:38:36.220um in this in society that oh men only have one wife as opposed to say like roman society
00:38:46.200and um that's noticeable and he's seeing it without all the nuance so i think that the
00:38:54.820when we talk about the vanir we talk about natural law as gods of natural law they are
00:39:03.000dominion over and within all of the things that are involved with living a life, living a good
00:39:13.400life. So I think that's another thing to point out here too. Um, this is an opportunity and kind
00:39:25.080of unique in the field. Anyone who's done this for an amount of time, you know, we've all,
00:39:31.800we've all read or familiar with a lot of the primary source material because
00:39:36.400we're very fortunate that we have as much as we do but if you do this for a few decades you kind
00:39:42.960of get to where you're familiar with those things most often you have outsiders writing about
00:39:52.260something exotic you have greek authors writing about you know you're coining the term barbarian
00:40:00.320and writing about these people beyond their borders who you know drank full wine instead of like wine
00:40:06.240spritzers and uh you find roman authors again writing about these noble savages that have
00:40:15.520maintained a lot of their virtue that decadent urban rome had lost and that's kind of
00:40:21.440a theme and a purpose of Tacitus' writing. And you see that with
00:40:28.640like Christian missionaries writing from a missionary perspective. You see that with
00:40:36.180Adam of Bremen. You see it with a number of other ecclesiastical authors.
00:40:42.620And in modern times, you see, you know, Romantic era historians writing about these,
00:40:48.760you know strange and distant you know fancy people that were so different from them
00:40:55.320in this case we have the author being someone who genuinely is proud of his ancestors
00:41:01.960who's writing not that many generations removed from their actual practice and who's you know
00:41:09.720not writing about them as something foreign or something different but writing about you know
00:41:14.280his great-great-grandparents. And that's a different situation. He's writing about something
00:41:24.960there's still traces of in his society to where he's well-preserved the literary tradition in a
00:41:31.260way because he is so deeply connected and rooted in it. We don't get that glimpse from other
00:41:38.620authors that often point out the thing that's strange or the things that's that's different
00:41:44.680this is talking about something that is familiar and something that is you know a source of pride
00:41:51.980not just an oddity or worse yet something to be you know condemned or scoffed at so it's it's
00:41:59.800really unique in its presentation that way and I think it it's such a refreshing and beautiful
00:42:06.280perspective to come from that we don't get in a lot of the other materials.
00:42:12.520I just wanted to say, too, just reminding everyone, if you're on, you know, if you're on YouTube,
00:42:19.260if you're on Rumble, you know, hit that like and definitely share the link with other folks so they
00:42:29.120can come back and watch it um especially as we're we're talking about divinity at at the core of our
00:42:38.500faith so um okay so in section 25 we move to um tier in the old or icelandic it's tier uh that y
00:42:54.320with the dash over it's a double e sound um but i hope to discuss some um kind of
00:43:05.040myths and uh or misconceptions i should say um once we cover so then before we do
00:43:18.480something that in the chat room that i think is interesting
00:43:20.720um i think it's accurate to say that the vanir in a way represent
00:43:27.900or rule over the forces of nature but a lot of what has been said
00:43:32.520i think comes from not knowing how chaotic nature is and how many ways it can kill you
00:43:40.400if you don't force it into submission and i think that that is a good
00:43:43.880that's something i want to talk about while we're here there is a long-standing
00:43:50.720Misconception about Alcetru and nature.
00:43:56.980Nature is clearly differentiated in our lore between good nature that's beneficial to mankind,
00:44:09.140and almost always that's the nature that has been cultivated, that's been tended, that's been cared for in some way.
00:44:17.580animals that have been domesticated or brought under under the willed sovereignty of our folk
00:44:26.500it also talks about and this is where the yotnar are you know the
00:44:33.120would be confusing if i said the gods of but the spiritual forces that have power over
00:44:43.320chaotic nature and destructive nature the forest fire or the the deep foreboding ocean or the you
00:44:54.660know the bitter the bitter cold of unknown unknown and distant dark forests um you see this a lot
00:45:07.480from the very beginning we've seen it in this poem so far the gods of order and of willpower
00:45:15.240take chaotic existence in the form of emir slay that chaos and break it into pieces
00:45:25.000and from those pieces shape ordered useful things through their willpower like literally through
00:45:33.880villi shapes is part of the shaping of these things through willpower through
00:45:43.880ecstatic spiritual inspiration and through a pious sacrality this is formed into the
00:45:52.120world around us into the world of beauty and of order and things that are beneficial for us
00:45:57.800so it's really useful to see those differences you know the van here very much are about
00:46:05.320natural things that are good for our folk that are good for us that are in line with moving1.00
00:46:11.880us forward and that are useful whereas the yotnar are this un unconquered un untouched nature and1.00
00:46:19.960a lot of people come into this and some of their first experiences with feeling a divine connection1.00
00:46:29.020come through the awe of nature so you know people will find spiritual connection when they go out in
00:46:37.300the woods or they go hiking or you know I'm not denying that it's majestic to look at beautiful
00:46:44.960untamed nature. But as someone that grew up in Alaska in a number of interesting situations,
00:46:54.000that nature can be deadly very, very quick and foreboding very quick.
00:46:59.940So there's a magnificence at looking at the creation of the gods in a place that is
00:47:05.480untouched and that is just epic and scale, realizing the beauty of it and your proportion
00:47:14.760to it is spiritually enlightening, and I'm not suggesting it's not. And being in that kind of
00:47:19.940an environment with the noise of the world closed out to you can facilitate a better connection with
00:47:26.100our gods, with your ancestors, with yourself. But it's important to realize that our gods are all
00:47:33.240about shaping nature to what's beneficial to us. And that's a big part of their shape and order
00:47:41.300from chaos. We see that in like the title Etheville, the field of work, the gods come to
00:47:52.220heaven and they find the place upon which they will formulate and build the prosperity for them
00:48:00.440to move forward. And I think that our ancestors looked at it not as, I need to make boats so I'm
00:48:08.100going to cut down trees and that that's bad. No, the trees will grow back and that we are
00:48:18.080coalescing with order, bringing ourselves closer with the gods in the sense that we are bringing
00:48:26.460order. I mean, I think there is that moral compunction that all of us have where it goes,
00:48:30.940say too far but in the just general sense i think all too often um people have gone into this whole
00:48:40.040nature worship and they don't realize that our ancestors very much controlled nature as best as
00:48:46.180they could so and that was considered divine a divine while we're on it it's it's really worth
00:48:53.660pointing out and again we'll take as long to go over this poem as we need to because we kind of
00:48:58.580on these things it's one of the big parts if you're new to the show why we do this is as we're
00:49:03.540examining pieces of the lore we expound upon topics that come up that you know strike the
00:49:09.220interest of either us or of the audience and we kind of you know try to thoroughly go over
00:49:16.180a lot of those points but one of the things i was going to say um as i mentioned earlier
00:49:25.140in you know just a few minutes ago we notice when something has gotten malignant and gone too far
00:49:33.860and so it's very tempting to swing the pendulum back the other direction
00:49:37.700equally as as a skew from balance and good order
00:49:43.700we should absolutely use natural resources for our betterment and for our needs but part of
00:49:50.580part of making use of nature is being good stewards of it is taking good care of the
00:50:00.900things that are beautiful around us and not you know it's funny because you get hippies that'll
00:50:06.900think if you know swan mentioned the boat you cut down trees to make some because you need a boat
00:50:12.420or you need a house there's some people that would make it sound like people who do that
00:50:18.580are at war with the trees because they're inherently anti-tree that's not the case
00:50:24.580it's making use of the things around you it's making use of um in a lot of ways the gifts of
00:50:32.500our gods and doing doing it responsibly just like anything else there's a lot of things that
00:50:41.300the difference is how it's done there's things that can be done responsibly and there's things
00:50:45.060that are done completely disrespectfully of the world around us this is a world that we share
00:50:50.980with each other and we share with a variety of spirits that also occupy the world around us that
00:50:55.940we wouldn't want to offend by destroying or you know making a mess in the world that's around us
00:51:04.500wantonly we need to preserve you know preserve beauty and a lot of that has to do with
00:51:10.500how we are custodians of the natural world uh one of the arguments that i made in college uh much to
00:51:20.020the chagrin of my professor was that um uh that these kind of notions these perhaps we could call
00:51:27.300them left-wing or whatever they are the idea um is deeply rooted with the universalism and the
00:51:36.020generality of monotheism, Christianity, or, you know, as I've said, it's a subsect of Judaism.
00:51:45.940And I bring that point up because you'll always hear like, preserve the forest, preserve the0.79
00:51:52.100forest. And then we found out that if you do that, and then a lightning strike ignites the forest,
00:51:58.820it's really bad but the natives that were living there would purposely burn the forest down and0.87
00:52:06.660uh to create the cycle of growth and it's because they didn't see um this kind of timeline of0.96
00:52:16.340left to right and um kind of creating that morality that's so stark in reality they saw
00:52:24.980nature and the way that it worked. And so they would burn. And I mean, even our ancestors did
00:52:33.300this, but eventually, you know, they tamed the land to such a degree that they were completely
00:52:40.960kind of harmonious with it in the time that they were living in. So you see like these people
00:52:49.580kind of saying, oh, you know, don't disturb the forest, don't hurt the forest. And these people
00:52:54.900are a product of that thinking and the natives of those lands were like no we got to burn the land
00:53:00.500and um yeah sure animals the fire might be bad but it's going to improve and reduce fire danger
00:53:10.500in the future and so you you find these kind of two conflicts um subliminally subliminally playing
00:53:19.620out i think it's worth pointing out and it's easy to see these things in political terms because in
00:53:26.420our lifetime they're um topics that are talked about politically often but a lot of this is part
00:53:35.060of the soul sickness of our people to where our folk feel separate from nature as if there's nature
00:53:45.540over here and we shouldn't disturb it and we should leave it alone as if we have no right to
00:53:50.480be a part of it. That's not the case. We are part of the world around us. We are part of the world
00:53:56.280that our gods forged and we should fully embrace life and our existence and participation in the
00:54:05.600world instead of like, it's this special thing that we should all butt out of and not be a part
00:54:11.620of, um, that's a symptom of that soul sickness in a really, I don't know, in a way that I think
00:54:19.200appears counterintuitively. I think a lot of the people, you know, I've noticed this growing up in
00:54:25.240Alaska, you know, the best conservationists I've known are hunters and fishers and people who are,
00:54:31.380who actively are in nature. Yeah. They kill animals and they eat them and they're part of
00:54:38.340nature but you have people in other parts of the country that are very very urban scolding them
00:54:45.300because you know as if nature is these urban people's private theme park that like you can't
00:54:52.500touch it's this special thing because they are so far removed from it and they have no connection to
00:54:58.100it they think they're trying to care for it and preserve it they don't realize how far removed
00:55:06.660they are from the situation and you know that's kind of a unique alaskan experience because it is
00:55:11.780so remote and you can go in alaska so many places that in the rest of the united states you know you
00:55:18.340go out hiking it's hard not to see a bunch of people around you it's very easy in alaska to be
00:55:23.220on a trail all day where nobody you'll see another soul or you can very easily get to
00:55:28.580areas to where you know no white man's ever gone um so really getting that that sense of
00:55:40.980the reality of nature is just something that everybody doesn't have so you get a bunch of
00:55:45.220people who have an idea in their head of nature and they go out and try to engage in it and they
00:55:52.980realize it's very different than maybe what i don't know in san francisco they had in their
00:55:58.420head that nature is supposed to be like so that's something we see time and again and i think it gets
00:56:04.980uh i don't know gets brought out a little bit but spawn let's try to um get back well let's okay but
00:56:12.420let's read the uh part about tier and then and then we'll look at where we're at with a question
00:56:24.600Then, said Gangleri, great in power do these Aesir seem to me, nor is it a marvel that much authority attends you who are said to possess understanding of the gods, and know which one man should call on for what boon soever.0.94
00:56:52.520Haur, Hai, said, yet remains that one of the Aesir, who is called Tir,
00:57:01.480he is most daring, best in stoutness of heart,
00:57:06.420and he has much authority over the victory of battle.
00:57:11.960It is good for men of valor to invoke him.
00:57:17.280It is a proverb that he who is tir-valiant, who surpasses other men and does not waver, if he is wise, so that it is also said that he is tir-prudent.
00:57:35.280This is one token of his daring. When the Aesir enticed Fenris' wolf to take upon him the fetter, Klepnir, the wolf did not believe the gods and that they would loose him until they laid Tyr's hand in his mouth as a pledge.
00:58:01.280ledge, which means the moment that it's known that he's trapped. So he was calling on their fear0.57
00:58:12.600and Tir looked beyond that fear to the benefit of the gods. And I love talking about the gods
00:58:25.320and death and the gods and fear and why that makes us unique um to say uh the god of everything
00:58:33.840that's in anything and everything and everywhere and has no fear or understanding of that um
00:58:42.160it's it's a uniqueness there the the fact that we see lord tir and see that sacrifice and the uh
00:58:52.240judaics the uh they had to humanize their god uh into a literal human in order to express any of
00:59:00.880these ideas that i think they were looking around at their neighbors and realizing oh man these
00:59:06.400there's so much more connection and that led to humanizing their god but um it says
00:59:15.920But when the Iser would not loose him, then he bit off the hand at the place that is now called the wolf's joint, the wrist.
00:59:26.000And Tir is one-handed and is not called a reconciler of men.0.96
00:59:40.580But there's so much to talk about here.
00:59:43.780I think first is the elephant in the room. A lot of people reading books and reading on the internet might say, oh, well, you know, what's the nature of Tyr? Is Tyr some older god that was usurped by Lord Odin? I think that's ridiculous.
01:00:03.020I believe as the church, we completely denounce this idea.0.58
01:00:10.100The usage of the word tir, going all the way back to deus, and the nomenclature being attested to variant levels of divine beings, sometimes at the very top, other times intermediately.
01:00:31.240And some people are trying to scholarly write out Lord Tyr. And I think that that's false. But if we look back to Tacitus and when he mentions that the Germanics honor Mars, Mercury and Hercules, again, a tripartite, which they would have been familiar with.
01:00:57.880But clearly a connection to Mars, Ares, the Lord of War.
01:01:06.700And so we see the Tyr as a Lord that adjudicates victory.
01:01:18.960And a lot of people have tried to say, oh, there's no celestial accounts of Lord Tyr. And they're wrong. In the Anglo-Saxon runic poem, Lord Tyr is referred to as the North Star.
01:01:38.820And again, the singularity, the idea of losing the hand and the North Star being that central point, I think is very poetically and spiritually purposeful.
01:01:56.920And so we have what I would call the stasis throne of the tripartite. We have the dynamic and the catalystic and now we have the stasis throne and we see it in the days of our weeks.
01:02:13.180We see it with Tuesday, Tyr's day, Ogden's day, and Thor's day.
01:02:21.220So, and the center being the highest point, certainly of the age when this was kind of designed.
01:02:31.980So Lord Tyr is not a reconciler of men.
01:02:36.240I don't think that our ancestors prayed to him to absolve legalities.
01:02:42.520I think that is more in Forseti's realm, but that this is about after victory, how do you implement justice?
01:07:37.300We see it with kind of the movies. And sometimes I see silly things like there's one in particular with Holy Freya, where it's I think it's like a bumper sticker or something where it says, if you can't lay them, slay them.0.96
01:07:58.200And I just thought that was like kind of really missing the point and reducing her dominion into kind of a comic-y sense.
01:08:08.500Or maybe I'm just too stuffy, but I think the idea would be to incorporate the gods in a sense that it's beneficial, like the examples that you gave.
01:08:26.860um you know naming and things like that it seems to be that our ancestors did not allocate names
01:08:35.060singularly that uh thor lord thor was his own and they wouldn't name their child
01:08:43.720like as the singularity but thor stein thor bjorn was perfectly acceptable and in this case i kind
01:08:53.320of think it follows the same rules. You're seeing like Odin's mead, I think is a brand of mead.
01:09:02.080And I don't think that that's bad. As long as it initiates good conversation and progresses forward
01:09:10.920the ignition of our gods in their people, I think it would be fine. But if it goes into something
01:09:21.820kind of you know just unseemly i i wouldn't suggest it is basically what i'm saying um
01:09:35.100i did uh i think we're gonna hop back oh there we go so
01:09:51.820kind of like with the naming there is with the naming of a person
01:09:57.500you have options with a business name if you name your business odin no it's a bad idea don't do that
01:10:06.700um if your naming of a business is in dedication or in respect to the all father in some way
01:10:15.820or is again i think with anything you do the the level of reverence is really important um
01:10:26.460i mean it depends also on what the nature of the business is you know you don't want to have
01:10:32.940you know bragi strip club or something that would be inappropriate but if you had
01:10:38.140uh a musical company or like you sold instruments you did something that way i don't necessarily
01:10:45.020think that would be inappropriate so figuring out that kind of detail that stuff matters
01:10:51.340and i think that makes all the difference on that that would be my my advice on that
01:11:01.500i'm noticing too there's some great questions particularly pertaining to um lord odin and
01:11:08.700tier so they're just a little bit further down the queue um so i would definitely say you know
01:11:17.020hang on for that but that these questions and you know i was thinking about it am i stuffy for
01:11:27.580not wanting you know again as i was here ago they said like bragi's strip club or whatever
01:11:34.860No, the biggest thing is, is that our point of view for the church is that the gods are to elevate us, make us better.
01:11:44.620So if you see someone that's like, oh, you know what?
01:12:03.380there's often bad people in there and or just it's not good elevating and bringing forth again
01:12:13.060beauty sexualization and community coming together not in that way um is clearly better so i think
01:12:24.080that that's always what the gods should be associated with and anybody who suggests
01:12:29.280otherwise doesn't view the gods as ascending forces pulling us into better they view them as
01:12:40.800caricatures that they can just buddy around with and that's ridiculous but yeah0.61
01:12:50.400out. Anyways, no, just look it over at the chat. All right.
01:13:09.400I think we were on the pregame story or question. Yeah. Over in the VNS pregame chat.
01:13:20.380We talked about motherhood medals. Is that something the AFA has ever considered doing
01:13:25.660as an encouragement for babies and family building? Yeah, that's something we've thought
01:13:31.920about in the past. It's gone over a couple of different times. It's not something that we've
01:13:40.420ruled out. It's certainly not something that we're against. It hasn't really moved forward a lot. I'd
01:13:45.540certainly be willing to um to consider that and consider how that looks moving forward but i think
01:13:52.300it's really cool idea i'm not opposed we certainly want to build um to build healthy and you know
01:14:00.700healthy and vibrant afa families and we would love you know even more beautiful white babies
01:14:07.500we always love those in the afa um i think the blankets too are kind of a
01:14:13.500so yeah for folks that don't know every uh every baby that's born into the afa we send
01:14:20.620we send them a blanket my wife's actually in charge of the like sending out blankets1.00
01:14:27.180we've got a number of different afa ladies that um either quilt or1.00
01:14:35.100weave or sew or there's i don't know all the nuance but craft blankets in different ways0.93
01:14:41.500end and we'd like to send those to uh new afa babies and their families so they know just that
01:14:49.020that we're there that we want to be with those babies from day one and uh you know we we love
01:14:55.020and support our afa families so that's the thing we've got two because my son was not we weren't
01:15:01.740in the shelter of the church uh when he was born but my um uh second and third we were so kind of a
01:15:11.500a medal a trophy or just something we have honorifically and we keep
01:15:21.500all right um another question we've got
01:15:27.420good evening all i wonder how many other people feel this way but as time passes i am feeling
01:15:32.780more disconnected from our nation the recent news cycle isn't helping and that feeling is accelerating
01:15:39.340it's becoming increasingly difficult to be proud to be an american that said i'm glad to be a part
01:15:44.860of the church or of a church that is made of tight-knit people who have each other's back
01:15:51.500people like us cannot rely on old institutions as they become increasingly corrupt and use as tools
01:15:58.140to our disadvantage just wondering if you have any thoughts on this matter uh perhaps you perhaps
01:16:04.620Oh, I'm sorry. Appreciate all you do. Thank you. I can read, I promise.
01:16:12.860I do want to let Svon hit that first, but I have a lot of thoughts on that. Go ahead, Svon.
01:16:17.600All right. Well, Austin, I hope you're still with us in the chat, but I think that
01:16:25.520But it really does boil down to what if that's purposeful? What if the intention is to dissolve it? So you look at, okay, well, if I just reignite this, what am I supporting in this and that, and I don't like it?
01:16:45.660No, really, it all, again, returns to the original flame, the idea of knowing where
01:16:58.320the nation comes from. And so I think that one of the biggest things is being proud of your nation
01:17:07.220comes really not so much from all the minutia of modern government and all of the just ups and
01:17:17.500downs and very sludgy things, but to look into the past and see the dedication of George Washington
01:17:25.540to a nation and the idea of what he wanted as a nation or, you know, Hamilton and looking at
01:17:36.220these foundational principles that actually were honored and just really, really structured,
01:17:45.700even into recent times. The American First Council that had Ford and Lindbergh in it,
01:17:57.360uh there was just recently even though i think now with news cycles and information people feel
01:18:06.480like uh something three months ago might as well been three years ago but looking back on that
01:18:15.400creates stabilization in our minds and in our hearts gives us stability and also gives us a
01:18:22.580strong anvil to beat the craziness against and say, look, the reason why I don't like this and
01:18:31.180what's going on right now is because our nation has always exuded these principles, these ideas,0.54
01:18:38.780and it gives a great chance for you to pull people out of the red and blue polarics and go back to
01:18:48.200the foundational principles of the nation that were, again, considering things in a totally
01:18:58.900different way, especially about the legitimacy of merit and the legitimacy of what people could
01:19:08.760do and attain in the world. There are faults. I agree with a lot of the founding, but some of it
01:19:17.920again, hindsight gives you that wisdom. But I think it's really important to look
01:19:25.220back and foundationally and build up from there. And when you kind of start to see it
01:19:34.300getting strained and cut out, it's really, really close to our time. I would even argue into the
01:19:42.26060s. So not far and not so disconnected. And that gives you a compass to tell other people,
01:19:53.700hey, yeah, I don't like what's going on or what this is doing, because look at what our founding
01:20:00.380or even just principled people throughout our nation have said this. And overwhelmingly,
01:20:10.100Americans agreed so yeah the the real problem is is that in that short span of you know the
01:20:20.560information three weeks to three years kind of thing um there is a utilization to disconnect
01:20:26.660people from the spirit um of our nation and I think that that we should resist against that I
01:20:35.280think it's worthy to resist against it and understand that as of just recently there is
01:20:43.960this overwhelming uh kind of separation between uh government you know these these organizations
01:20:52.860are doing terrible things to the the very people of the nation and other people in other nations
01:21:01.400And, you know, we see with all of these things going on how deeply they're corrupted or influenced by foreign governments, by agents who are blackmailing members of our government, all of these things, terrible stuff.
01:21:18.500And the reason why it's terrible is because we can look back and see what is good. So that stuff is the stuff that should invigorate you and have that connectivity and take it more than just the surface level, perhaps patriotism or, you know, civil or civic, excuse me, civic, you know, nationalism, if you will.
01:21:48.500Because all countries can falter. And if you believe in the core, then you know even more so what you dislike. And that helps you with your, you're not disconnected.
01:22:01.540no i know i was muted i was talking to my wife about
01:22:12.020gummies with shaquille o'neal's face on them um i don't know why these exist but they do
01:22:20.700and it meets my macros i've not fulfilled my carbohydrates for today they exist so people
01:22:26.700like you will buy them sir i my lovely wife bought them for me don't judge me so all right so
01:22:44.700um a nation and you used the word nation we're talking about nation not country
01:22:51.180the idea of nation is people from a common common origin that share a common birth
01:23:03.900and i think that when you're in a country that is made up of homogeneous
01:23:11.820the more homogeneous your country is ethnically religiously and and culturally
01:23:19.100the more you have commonality with your neighbor the less you have in common with the people
01:23:26.200around you and the more that you what binds you is largely geography the harder it is to feel
01:23:34.520patriotic we struggle with that a lot the more we don't feel like we have connectivity and
01:23:43.540commonality with our neighbors on any of the things that matter that are important
01:23:50.720I think your question, I appreciate you asking it.
01:23:54.480And I think it's something that a lot of us struggle with and feel a lot of the time.
01:23:59.600I think there is also an inborn thing within us as noble people to embrace patriotism.
01:24:07.600I think patriotism is wonderful and born from the most noble and the greatest intentions.
01:24:14.700And I would never want to speak against it.
01:24:17.420It's like you, you have the courage to ask the question. A lot of us don't, don't want to bring it up because we don't want to alienate people that we have deep respect for. People don't want to part with an intense American patriotism because they know people who've served. They may have family that have served. They may have served themselves.
01:24:42.200um we have this you know these traditions this root this legacy of people that
01:24:48.440we deeply respect and admire that are our national heroes um
01:24:53.440my my people in this country go back since before the revolution
01:24:59.880um that i can name i think there's several that do but very specifically i can trace
01:25:09.000my people back to you know colonial uh virginia and
01:25:17.480and the colonial carolinas and it's you don't want to part with all those good things that are
01:25:24.920and have traditionally been such a special part of your family now i say that not to you directly
01:25:30.200but to anybody listening because we have people that you know maybe they're first generation
01:25:34.120americans maybe they're you know ancestral americans it's it's hard for everybody and
01:28:43.160If you get close, literally trying to build that with my neighbors and people close to me
01:28:49.340to where we can have that community in a very real weekly, a couple times a weekly, if you want, way.
01:28:58.820That, it may seem simple, but I do think that is the solution.
01:29:03.560In hard times, we are better situated to navigate any kind of calamity, any kind of difficulty, be it a bigger thing, an environmental thing, a geopolitical thing, just personal stuff in your life.
01:29:17.080We're always better poised if we're together and if we're united.
01:29:19.560and if things go amazingly and things go great in the country and you feel these feelings you
01:29:26.640know shift over time we have a new american golden age we're best poised to celebrate that
01:29:32.900together and unified and to be a big part of that together so in all cases putting your energy into
01:29:42.400a group of people that is in a scope that you can contribute have people who know your name
01:29:52.420who you know their name who can shake your hand be your friend and help you build your family
01:29:58.900and your life together and who you can help build families and lives together that's what we're
01:30:04.180doing and that's what we get to do together and it's something that so many people out there don't
01:30:08.180have um and i hope they find us and can come home here assuming that they're you know heterosexual
01:30:14.900white folks but that's what we're doing and i think we're making really good progress with that
01:30:20.820but it's a really good question i'm glad you brought it up because something on a lot of
01:30:23.620people's minds oh a chat room aside and i'm a little bit behind on the chat uh icelandic daniel
01:30:35.300Thank you for your donations and your contributing to stuff.
01:30:41.840Really good idea people talking about.
01:30:43.960If you did want to help some of us learn Icelandic, we would appreciate it a lot.
01:30:48.080Having somebody who speaks it fluently would be a big help.
01:30:51.660And I know that many of us are very eager to learn.
01:30:54.320I know Svon and myself are, you know, at the top of that list.
01:31:00.020Svon's already got a head start being born there and, you know, learning his ABCs there.
01:31:05.300um i am i'm slogging through it so yeah we'd love help if it's something you are interested in doing
01:31:12.660and though nick's a little bit blunt in his recruitment approach seriously you should
01:31:19.940absolutely join we'd love to have you part of part of the team and have you get on board and join
01:31:24.900when you find yourself ready but that is not a flex it is an invitation however
01:31:29.460um next up how do odin and tear differ in their relationship to battle and war in our personal
01:31:44.080battles uh when should we call upon which you said before that the gods can be called upon for
01:31:52.720any purpose but doesn't it seem to explicitly state here that god should be called upon in
01:31:58.500specific circumstances related to that circumstance? Cool. I'll treat the second
01:32:07.680one as a completely different question. Go ahead with that, Svan, if you would.
01:32:11.480Yeah. One of the things, the first part, how do Odin and Tyr differ in their relationship
01:32:18.660to battle and war? My interpretation of their interconnectedness to this
01:32:24.400very primal part of our people and nation is the same as kind of how scholars have
01:32:37.000referenced Lord Odin as the psychopomp or the carrier or is involved in the processes of the
01:32:46.220soul, that's very, very clear. Whereas Lord Tyr is not. And I would say that that kind of gives us
01:32:56.100the notion about there is the souls that die in battle and the concern of being chosen,
01:33:04.960because vowel is often translated as slain, but it also means chosen. So the chosen souls
01:33:14.160getting a chance to breach and join with the gods in the upper realm. As we've spoken about before,
01:33:22.940heaven is not open to every ignoble soul. And we've seen and met enough to know, like,
01:33:32.640that's probably a good thing. And that aspiring to be noble enough to be chosen. Whereas
01:33:41.580As when I mentioned earlier with Lord Tyr about nation, about adjudication of lands, about borders, about resources, and these things,
01:33:56.480I've always taken Lord Tyr to be more of the living of the battle, what to do after victory.
01:34:07.680And we've talked about this because, you know, a lot of people will get in their heads, oh, I, you know, you die in battle, you go to Valhalla. And it's very, very kind of rudimentary.
01:34:23.300And I think what really is going on is there's an intricacy level of the battle and looking at the individual soul and their actions and that if they're in a situation and they rise above.
01:34:39.780I mean, we can see this even today in modern battles, you know, this bravery and doing what must be done and hopefully being chosen and approving to Lord Othen that you kind of descend away from all things.
01:34:57.320and the only thing is the moment and that moment may end in your demise but you rose to that moment
01:35:04.760even despite fear and it kind of ascended that um
01:35:13.240however battles are battles upon battles upon battles
01:35:17.880It is the war's totality that I think Lord Tyr is kind of, that dominion is laying upon him.
01:35:32.560And that's because Lord Odin is concerned with the souls and the way that the might of the souls.
01:35:40.120Whereas Lord Tyr, again, giving victory, but in kind of a broader and living sense.
01:35:46.740um judgment rulership um are uh in in relation to say like perhaps like government i think lord
01:35:57.880tear has a great amount can you pray to lord othen for that absolutely but we see in the story
01:36:05.840when gangleri is asking like who should men pray to um one we should look at the nature of that
01:36:12.800relationship. What are they attempting to say in this dialogue? One is that the way that
01:36:21.600religiosity definitely worked was relationship. I think that it's telling a little bit that
01:36:29.980there's Christian kind of overtones, perhaps even in the thinking of Snorri Stuttleson,
01:36:38.240where either he's trying to demean the understanding
01:36:42.940that our ancestors only looked at the relationship
01:37:01.640Um, but the overarching relationship points or what, what we, as the Aussie True Folk Assembly talk about is, yes, the gods are great divine beings.
01:37:18.440And if they overlap in some sense of dominion, it's because they're wielding primordial forces that they have manifested and shaped to aid in creating order and for humanity, for the fold.
01:37:37.880So we have to not, you know, this God is the God of this.
01:37:44.680And I think a lot of people, there's like two sides of that.
01:37:48.440You got the abstract folks who are just like, ah, you know, all the gods are really just the male and all the goddesses are the female.
01:37:59.080And you kind of see that in the New Age movements.
01:38:01.580On the other side, inversely, you have scholars who are desperately trying to say, no, no, no, no, no, Lord Odin is this title, this god, and none of the other gods can touch what he's doing.
01:38:21.860And in reality, he's really just those gods, they're just getting lumped into him.
01:38:29.180And so they have no respect for the divine. And they mold and push their concepts of the gods into little boxes. And so you kind of see this polaric view. And we're a third position.
01:38:44.840And the third position is that the gods are willful, non-biological cosmic powers that are connected to not only nature, but time and all manner of forces that we don't fully understand.
01:39:02.980And that when they are interacting with the world, they are utilizing primordial elements.
01:39:14.680So if there is a fair storm and you prayed to Lord Thor to perhaps your crops or to get through a bad storm while you're driving and it miraculously disappears, that doesn't mean that somehow it infringed on Lord Njord and someone praying to him in relation to the ocean or sailing.
01:39:41.060No, the gods have dominion over these primordial elements. And in a lot of ways, so do the Yotnar. We use the word divine because of the specialness between us and the gods.
01:39:55.360But the Yotnar are ancient beings, ancient powerful beings, and they are part of that triangle that clearly were not willing to play ball, if you will, whereas gods of cosmic order and gods of natural law, even though they had conflict, eventually they align and they bring themselves to, okay, order is good.1.00
01:40:20.900cycles can still be going without um with order but uh you know the yotnar were like0.94
01:40:29.180you know no i'm sorry but the real thing is is that when we um we see this kind of
01:40:37.680uh relationship i think that it's good to look at uh warfare and uh especially because it's so
01:40:47.240pronounced um at the time from tacitus to to the to the adas uh lord tyr is is about bravery
01:40:56.800about the stalwart heart about the rising up to defend and to fight and lord odin is still
01:41:05.820called the victory father but one of the big things is about the ascension of the soul and
01:41:11.260the metaphysics of war um not just the the material so who do you go to if you have a bad
01:41:21.180breakup are you asking me no i'm asking rhetorically but i think that if i asked you
01:41:32.380and i asked me and i asked um i forget whoever but whoever asked and i asked the question
01:43:03.140or i'm not going to talk to my dad because he'll tell you i told you so and i told you
01:43:08.740there's plenty of reasons not to go to different persons and i don't ever want to bring the gods
01:43:16.500down to our level but we need to start at our level on our logic of how we understand the
01:43:23.860gods are at the very least they are sentient willful individual beings that exist and that
01:43:32.260that have agency. More than that, they are at least the very best of people. They are much
01:43:40.220more than that, but as a starting point, they are that. There are gods that have
01:43:48.080similarities or seemingly overlapping areas of expertise. There are gods that you might
01:44:01.280have developed a more personal connection with than you have to others on their end like you
01:44:08.500feel there is a connection there there may be gods that you feel more comfortable approaching
01:44:14.580all of those things factor in so yeah and i'm glad you did pick up on that yes in this
01:44:22.220in this piece it does give you like pro tip this is a good god to talk to about this thing1.00
01:44:28.140Ah, you know, Freya really likes love songs.
01:44:32.900Ah, well, if you, you know, I wouldn't ask Tear, Tear's not a reconciler of men.
01:44:40.780These are points of collected knowledge of our folk in interacting with these deities over, you know, over centuries, over time, over experience.
01:44:52.580so it's not wrong to each reach out to any of them unless we have something that's specifically
01:45:00.100offensive it is specifically not something to talk to them about it's more that this is typical
01:45:08.100for this situation or the collective folk memory tells us that this god is good to approach about
01:45:16.380this issue. They have specialties, but that doesn't mean they have no efficacy in those
01:45:22.780things. You're like, help, Matt, I cut off my arm. I can do stuff for you. I'm not a surgeon. I'm not
01:45:28.560a doctor. I can tie my belt around it. And, you know, for an emergency, I can burn it on the stove
01:45:34.780and say that I'm cauterizing it. I can do stuff to greater or lesser degree. These are gods.
01:45:41.720So they're, you know, the things that they are deficient at are things they are infinitely better at than us people are.
01:47:25.540the one-eyed God, I believe as well. Um, so I think it,
01:47:34.500I think it depends. Um, yeah, I think it really depends on the circumstance. I think that
01:47:44.700the greater turning of purposes and of the big picture I think tier is good that way
01:47:56.940I think the individual like I said earlier I think the individual lawyer that were the war band
01:48:04.780is something that traditionally is more
01:48:10.780immediately relevant to the all-father um i think the fact that he selects and then
01:48:21.160entertains or sees to the entertainment of the individual lawyer the einherja is
01:48:28.360significant but i don't think that precludes the others in either of those situations and i also
01:48:38.080think some things are about motivation there's fighting for greater cause and for you know big
01:48:44.880big cause big picture things and sometimes there's fighting because you know these guys
01:48:51.160are in the other team and we got to go do what we got to do i think those are a little bit different
01:48:56.140as well um but again i don't want to get out of my lane i've never um i've never been in life or
01:49:04.780death combat on that in that kind of a situation i've certainly never been in the military so i
01:49:10.460think different people different things i know again like i say i know veterans that have said
01:49:16.620um you know each of them but for different reasons so i don't think there's a perfect
01:49:22.460answer to that but like i'd say if i've got something to say i think big picture cause
01:49:29.020um the justice of like nations and things tier i think individual battle prowess group stuff
01:49:39.020small group stuff odin but again i don't think there's i think there are a lot of right answers
01:49:45.340to that what else we got uh is there any legitimacy to the notion uh tear
01:49:59.900was a god related to the thing yeah absolutely yes that's why that's why the romans called him
01:50:07.500mars thingus um his invocation at the all thing i think is a is a relevant thing him being
01:50:22.540you know presiding in that and being called upon for
01:50:29.740that kind of a big picture gathering of the tribe or of the nation i think is
01:50:35.980i think lends some understanding of the role that our ancestors saw on him i do absolutely think
01:50:42.540that he had a very significant role that is not reflected um large scale enough in the in the
01:50:51.180norse material that's made that it's made it to us i think that at earlier stages of our folk his
01:50:57.260his prominence was understood to a much greater degree um do you have anything to add on that
01:51:03.260one yeah actually um one thing that i always kind of pose when this subject comes up is
01:51:11.420what about the thing outside of east or iceland and a lot of folks don't conceptualize that the
01:51:18.940thing or the teen uh is across the board for most germanic folk and the norse and what it is in
01:51:29.340relation in iceland there's no kings it's a it's a council so the thing has um a variation to it
01:51:38.060but before iceland the thing was still very important and it was about the taxes to the king
01:51:49.100there was landowners and chieftains and they would go there and this wasn't so much like a festival
01:51:57.820where you could sell your goods or uh something to figure out oh you know this guy is encroaching0.98
01:52:05.340on my land that is actually kind of offshoots of what a thing is and the icelanders brought it with
01:52:15.420them and it just morphed because their governmental view of things was different than what they had
01:52:24.060come from but uh they're the folk thing or folk ting the store ting in norway there's the log ting
01:52:32.140and uh the land sting even in greenland um and what this really was was justice by adjudication
01:52:42.060justice by governance it was not so much cases or uh you know getting a chance to kind of
01:52:52.380hang out with people those are side effects to getting together the whole point of it was the
01:52:57.660king or the lord or a group of uh land owners and and folk that had memorized the law were getting
01:53:09.420together and setting governance and putting things aright because they knew they had to repeatedly
01:53:19.900do this or things would slip into anarchy. So calling upon Lord Tyr in that sense,
01:53:31.700that's kind of what I was hinting to with not so much the God of justice and
01:53:38.780get me out of a parking ticket was funny. No, this is more about the justice of governance
01:53:48.040And an understanding that stability and that right action keeps people in good foundational sense, which is the proto like wording for nation.
01:54:05.860Um, and so I absolutely think that, uh, Lord Tyr is the, the God of, um, the thing or the, the council or the great assembly. Also, he's referred to as, uh, the Lord of the, or the protectors or Lord of the temples.
01:54:26.020And I think, again, this goes back to not only is it Lord Tyr, but also Lord Thor. He's referred to as Ve-ur, the strength of the temple.
01:54:41.860I feel like this presents support in the tripartite as you notice it specifically with Lord Tyr and Lord Thor that there is this sanctifying of and protection of and power of the temple, the divine connection that comes with them.
01:55:09.040That pinnacles up to Lord Odin, the master of mysteries, like spirit and ecstasy and the things beyond the physical.
01:55:25.880But Al-Syrgo, they brought up that great point.
01:55:28.720There is a podium, I guess is the right word, that was found in England, utilized by the Roman soldiers that were there, and it specifically mentions Tir as the Mars thingus, whereas we also see it in connection to the rune poems in Iceland.
01:55:56.060and so I think it's just that people have a misconception about what a thing is and they
01:56:02.760don't ever think of it outside of an Icelandic frame very very important all the way back I
01:56:10.560think even Tacitus when he speaks about how they're able to carry weapons in front of the king
01:56:16.900I think he was witnessing or at least accounting a thing
01:56:23.320so a lot of that has to do with uh power i think the power of kings i think that our ancestors
01:56:34.400uh denoted themselves back to the gods in many different lands uh sweden of course lord frere
01:56:43.280the anglo-saxons lord odin and i think too it could be easily said and with lord thor and lord
01:56:52.820tier uh i don't think that any if i was to promote this idea that it would somehow make an affront
01:57:00.980to lord oh then because obviously we see it with lord fray and no one bats an eye um but these
01:57:07.540connections to governance and uh kingdom and ensuring that everything is running uh properly
01:57:17.780because the moment something kind of falls off or shifts it starts a domino effect and eventually
01:57:24.740you have to write it and you can write it or it could spill out and fester depending on i guess
01:57:31.620the nature of your people but yeah there you have it um
01:57:41.060is there afa supporters in the state of maine folk builders too there's not a folk builder
01:57:53.120in maine at present but we have had folk builders in maine in the past we do in fact have members
01:58:01.120in maine now maine is a pretty big state for east coast um east coast geography
01:58:11.560Nearest folk builder we have is Ron Boardman in New Hampshire.
01:58:19.080And he does do, every couple months, he does do a moot in Maine.
02:01:06.700T'was being desperate once, I may be able to tell thee of it, but now thou shalt first hear more of the names of the Aesir.
02:01:17.040So he's referring, obviously, to the abduction of Idun.
02:01:22.480um and i just wanted to kind of we were talking about the four points of divinity and one of the
02:01:28.960big ones that i kind of focus in on and we you know the discussion i'm working actually on a
02:01:35.680presentation of um is that we see uh sound and light repetitively connected to the gods and
02:01:46.400i've been uh the merging of uh bragi and idun i believe has great significance even in the very
02:01:56.800fabric of our reality when we're speaking about sound and light uh sound waves light waves and um
02:02:05.520what constitutes that and i think that um the gods are of that i think that bragi and idun
02:02:14.800are formulized sound and light and um i don't think it's a coincidence that divinity ex is uh
02:02:26.320a showing of light we see it with lord baldur we see it with delinger um we see light is and gold
02:02:36.480always kind of constituted with exuding power so if you see references to gold or to light
02:02:44.880there is this sense of exuding power it often depends on where it is um heimdall that has
02:02:52.400golden teeth there's an exuding power of authority or speech there um we see uh holy freya has
02:03:01.680golden hair or sif has golden hair and again this is very much like a same as putting wings on the
02:03:09.200helmet an elevated mind um an emanating power of of of the mind or the will and we see this with
02:03:19.360um holy even a common thing that you will see in all aryan branches is that the gods0.90
02:03:25.680are sustained by this glint or glimmer, this ultra rare or extremely finite and fragile thread0.93
02:03:40.280that holds them to maintaining their course. Of course, in our stories, it translates to
02:03:47.480when they grow old, they eat the apples and they are immortal. And if they didn't have the apples,
02:03:53.220They would just simply die. But on a cosmic level, we're looking at it as, you know, these great beings are still required to formulate and cultivate the essence that keeps them going.
02:04:15.260And I think that that's very important because like I was talking about before with nature and things, the multiplicity or speaking to your friends or certain different people after an event, nature works in multiplicity and nature is a reflection of the divine.
02:04:34.460The divine works in multiplicity. And more so than that is that the fact that divinity also is not just completely disconnected from the cycles of the universe, you know, to have gods that do not fear means that you have gods that cannot be brave.
02:04:59.340because again bravery and fear are intimately connected and and life and death life and death
02:05:08.740for a god is i think very different than for us but the element of truth is still there and so
02:05:16.360we find ourselves that uh christianity has made omnipotence so prevalent that it becomes
02:05:26.080abstraction. And by the time that their religion reached the Greeks, the Greek philosophers
02:05:33.420opened up the door for total abstraction. And, you know, faceless, nameless, sure, God, but
02:05:44.380it was very important for them to humanize, because I think it was spinning so far out of
02:05:52.680control with this disconnected sense and still ultimately leads to that with many philosophies
02:05:59.540of materialism kind of rejecting the omnipotence of one nameless, faceless, all present thing
02:06:07.980when they try to look at, well, you know, why is the evil here? And, you know, in the book of
02:06:27.640than the way that we believe in divinity.
02:06:30.640The folk, you know, believing in divinity
02:06:33.620and knowing that the nature of all things
02:06:37.860outside of simply the primordial substrate is precious.
02:06:43.540It has a need to rise above, even against fear of its own obliteration, and also to love and to procreate, even though, again, it's all very different than the way we would conventionally think of this.
02:07:06.120But all of these things need to happen. Otherwise, you have this nameless, faceless entity. And I think that that ends up leading people into obliteration.
02:07:22.960they just can't conceptualize they can't relate and they don't understand uh well the the arian
02:07:31.120gods in any branch that you look at whether it's the ambrosia or the soma um or the apples
02:07:39.200and and apples are so significant that they changed that in the bible because the bible mentions fruit
02:07:47.280not apples apples were so intrinsic to the europeans especially the northern europeans
02:07:52.320that the apple became the symbol from even for the Old Testament or the Torah.
02:07:58.920And that significance of its holiness, its fruition is so powerful.
02:08:07.740So it would not be lost in the context here that the apple represents,
02:08:13.580especially it's a fruit that is born right before winter.
02:08:18.220So the ultimate giving is things are about to get bad, things are about to get hard, and here we go. We're going to give you this bounty right before the desolation.
02:08:31.080And so this benevolent tree and fruit is, I don't think, chosen by accident. But I think that it's analogous to light and ultimately to pure purity.
02:08:45.460What makes divinity divine as opposed to, say, like the Jotunar, who I think are kind of benders of time?
02:08:55.600And we see this with Thor in Jotunheim, whereas the gods are not benders of time, but they are imbuing themselves with a purity that keeps them.
02:09:09.800And I think that is very similar to us as humans trying to always go forward and upward, even though we may fall away, our generations that follow us benefit in that kind of immortality.
02:09:27.580So I think that's very unique. And then when we go into the concept of that purity being light and Bragi being sound, and if you go down the rabbit hole of sound waves and photons and stuff, that's what I mean by that fourth pillar of cosmic exploration of relationship with the gods.
02:09:52.640You can have the story relationship. You can have the environmental. You can have the intrinsic or how you are socially. And then there's cosmic is the big one. And I'm sure there's more. I just do that for my own sanity.
02:10:10.960But these are kind of some of the things that I think our church uniquely is doing, that when you look around, no one else is doing this.
02:10:20.460No one else is talking about this, or they're just not in the same mind frame.
02:10:24.680And our church is honestly coming forward and then turning around and telling the folk, this is what we have been thinking about and working with.
02:10:34.120And these are our relationships, which makes us wholly unique from anyone else and why I think it's so important for folk to listen to these podcasts.
02:10:47.240I know they can be long, but there's grains of truth and thought that you can follow.
02:10:56.320And we're doing it honestly, earnestly, and with absolute genuineness.
02:11:01.820And anyone that tells you otherwise is, well, they're not actually being genuine at all.
02:11:08.340But, you know, these concepts we should think about when we think about our gods.
02:11:17.320Let me get a question here before we get into the next section.
02:11:24.000So this question kind of comes up to an earlier.
02:11:28.580This is related to some earlier discussion.
02:12:39.160Oh, this, okay, this is a reflection of our God Mars.
02:12:44.780So I would call him Mars as related to the Mars activity, kind of like, you know, Oku-Thor or Ving-Thor or something that adds up what Thor is doing or an element of something that he has title over.
02:13:06.300And you mentioned earlier that, you know, or over in the chat that it gets confusing.
02:13:13.520one of the things if you read kind of the the opening paragraph of the true love novel
02:13:18.560it talks about why we do things in a german in a norse nomenclature
02:13:27.040it's to make it all fit and make sense you know i saw kind of a back and forth in the chat
02:13:32.720It is hard. So Thor is Thunor, is Donar. Absolutely. That's very obvious. Thor is Perun. Also true, but the differences start to show a little bit and the overlap shows a little bit.
02:13:57.560When you start like, is Thor Hercules? Is Thor Zeus? Is Thor what?
02:14:03.760When you go down in the Mediterranean, the things get less clean.
02:14:09.380So this is a question a lot of people ask.
02:14:13.040Our gods are the gods that shaped our race of people since the birth of our race of people.
02:14:21.900Since at least the last ice age and probably much before.
02:14:27.560these gods are our gods the gods were with us we were with them we had one
02:14:36.800understanding of who they are and who we were over time our people traveled
02:14:44.880widely over Asia and Europe and the area in between. As they did over time, we didn't have
02:14:59.840the internet to keep in touch, so we were separated by great distance. We were separated
02:15:05.500by great amounts of time. One group would settle in a valley somewhere and not interact with
02:15:12.120You know, they're distant cousins for hundreds of years sometimes.
02:15:21.180As language and culture changed, and importantly, as the relationship between different groups of our folk and the gods changed,
02:15:33.260over time the names took on a local form the stories and the lore begin to take
02:15:43.020their own shape and evolve with the relationship between those people and the gods
02:15:51.180it's interesting to note that the iranians and the irish both their nations mean land of the
02:15:57.900Arians on the farthest fringes of people that have no point of contact they both held to these
02:16:06.220ancient customs in different ways so those variants get really different depending on
02:16:16.380where you're at at some point but the gods don't change they didn't go to a different place and
02:16:21.900all of a sudden you know every time they decide okay guys our language is getting funky it's
02:16:26.860different than what our grandpas we're not going to speak you know west germanic anymore now we're
02:16:35.820speaking norse okay cool the gods split into two different groups of gods that's not how it works
02:16:43.420logic doesn't bear that out these are the same gods but if you try to account for all of the
02:16:50.940nuance and all of the differences and unravel all of the mysteries of you know what these gods look
02:16:58.700like in vedic india versus what they look like in celtic ireland and drive yourself insane
02:17:07.740taking you know scattered bits from all of those and trying to force them together
02:17:13.260keeps us stuck spinning our wheels so we pick the thing that is the best preserved
02:17:23.340that is the most complete and that resonates with our folk but more importantly
02:17:30.040the understanding of divinity that was presented to our founder steve mcnalen when
02:17:39.500he personally had a relationship established between himself and the all-father the all-father
02:17:47.580that set in motion what we do today and how we do it and in order to make those pieces work
02:17:57.880together and fit most ordered and most perfectly we unify our practice under
02:18:05.760Under the Norse conception of deity, under the Norse corpus of lore, and under the Norse naming structure.
02:18:15.420So while I'm fairly confident that Mars equals Tyr, we're practicing Alcetru, we just call him Tyr.
02:18:31.240Again, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world.
02:19:02.040that's where the pieces fit best together when we find other pieces that don't fit as perfectly we
02:19:08.760move them into that orbit as opposed to um get lost and tangled up in the diversity of it we
02:19:18.360move that into the order of the ic in the norse nomenclature there uh there's even mention in
02:19:27.480In the Gilvikining, where it says that Lord Oðinn, when they're describing Lord Oðinn,
02:19:34.840it says in days of old, he was called Volðinn or Volðinn and now is called Oðinn.
02:19:42.060And there's kind of this drive to, again, speak in the present sense of the gods.
02:19:50.520And I think that that's really a huge motivator or a good kind of difference between you are trying to organize without confusion because I know a lot of people get confused and there's all this kind of separation.
02:20:11.260there's all these variations and people kind of trying to do their own things and and i can't
02:20:17.340connect with the gods unless i can call him godin because i've got three percent burgundy and
02:20:23.580in my dna that stuff keeps us yeah like you said spinning our wheels people got to get over it a
02:20:30.620lot of people well i can't do it unless i do it this way well then you need to fix that you know
02:20:38.860our people are very resistant to that but we need to come to the gods on their terms not
02:20:45.660force them to accept our terms that's not what worship is about could have gone a bunch of
02:20:52.300different ways um this could have been done as you know whatever is celtic as druidry it could
02:21:03.660have happened as you know um hellenism or it could have happened a bunch of different ways
02:21:10.780it did happen as ousatru it is happening as ousatru so that's what we're doing and why we're
02:21:19.420bringing it all together and a question just on side it mentions you know points of again
02:21:24.460when you get into the mediterranean the the it gets mixed it gets reshuffled in a different way
02:21:33.660But he mentions that Apollo has wolves and ravens that are sacred to him.
02:21:39.680The question that a lot of the art around the gods reflects the people and the environment they're in.
02:21:50.000If our people forgot and we had lost our sacred lore and we found, you know, what would the Afrikaners, what animal is sacred to Odin in South Africa, what would that look like?
02:22:11.580and it's rhetorical i can't tell you but it would be really interesting if
02:22:17.800it was the you know the zebra and the hyena
02:22:21.280um or whatever but when we go different places a lot of those associations have been on where
02:22:30.740our people land where our people colonize where our people conquer where our people are at but
02:22:36.780our folk have spread around the globe to all the corners of the earth and our gods are just as
02:22:44.060relevant there as they are in you know ancient norway or the caspian stuff um it's fun let's
02:23:23.660We're all gold. And his horse is called Gold Topper or Golden Top. He dwells in the place called Himenbjörg or Heavenly Mountains. But in this case, I think specifically it's the castle on top of the mountain.
02:23:41.880um hard by bivrost he is the warder of the gods and sits there by heaven's end to guard the bridge
02:23:53.000from the hill giants he needs less sleep than a bird he sees equally well at night as in day
02:24:01.280a hundred leagues from him and hears now grass grow on the earth or wool upon the sheep
02:24:08.140and everything that has a louder sound.
02:24:12.220He has the trumpet, which is called Gjallarhorn.
02:24:16.800And its blast is heard throughout all the worlds.
02:24:35.000There, the god's sentinel drinks in his snug hall gladly good mead, and furthermore, he himself says in Heimdallrgaldr, I am of nine, mothers the offspring, of sisters nine, I am the son.
02:24:56.760so a couple things uh one it really that when we talk about cosmology and the way that people
02:25:07.200kind of portray cosmology versus how ancestral the idea of the heavenly world being on top of
02:25:17.260mountains and that at the edge of the mountains there is this snug keep uh a bjarke is kind of
02:25:26.100like a keep, almost a castle. And there he keeps vigilance. It's the watchtower on the top of the
02:25:33.920of the hill. I think it's extremely beautiful and poetic. You know, our ancestors believing
02:25:43.040that the gods were center and above in this mountainous place where Ithaval is and Yggdrasil
02:25:50.580is and um and that the way to attain access to this place is not easy it's not given to everyone
02:25:57.700it's limited it's the the shimmering bridge uh that doesn't just stay open for everyone um
02:26:07.220but on top of this it also shows a couple of other things we were talking about gold before
02:26:13.380an emanation when we uh obviously gullin top the gold top horse that the vehicle every time
02:26:21.140you see a horse that's the vehicle which means um that the god has maneuverability within the world
02:26:30.580the ability to travel and again it's kind of symbolic in uh the idea so lord heimdall is i
02:26:39.300I don't think, simply designated to one place.
02:33:53.480All right. So, obviously, in our list, there shall not be a temple, and here is the reason
02:34:03.800why. One of the Aesir who is named Hader, he is blind, he is of sufficient strength, but the gods
02:34:12.640would desire that no occasion should rise of the naming of this god, for the work of his hands
02:34:21.560shall long be held in memory amongst the gods and men. Clearly we're speaking about the death
02:34:30.580of balder and even though the onus of aggression should be laid upon the the kinslayer it is0.96
02:34:41.300still done by uh hother's hands and what we end up seeing is an elimination of the0.88
02:34:52.740brother killing brother at foreigner's hand or discretion, I should say. And that the brother0.96
02:35:03.040ends up being kind of taken down, even though it was, oh, you know, the circumstance, it's like,
02:35:15.500no, the deed. And that's an interesting kind of philosophical point is circumstance to deed.
02:35:22.740And I think it's more a sharper learning curve in the realm of the divine.
02:35:33.040I think that folk work in varied ways, but with the gods, this balance, this shift that was made created and caused great effects.
02:35:47.880Just like the slaying of Ymir, creation and the binding of the Nornir to all things.0.70
02:35:58.740And in this case, too, the slaying, the interaction with the kinslayer, the foreign element of the gods coming in and trying to twist the situation.0.91
02:36:13.400But still the deed that was done and the creation of one of our holy gods in the list, the god of correcting the scales, Lord Vowley.
02:36:27.680But obviously, Hodor is not mentioned.
02:41:08.380One thing that has already become apparent with the five Hoffs that we have now is as we have Hoffs dedicated to these gods,
02:41:27.340we are able to really develop a deeper understanding and deeper relationship between us and them.
02:41:41.620And I think Hoffs to lesser-known gods, for gods that there's less war about,
02:41:49.600opens a special pathway for us to build those relationships.
02:41:55.440I'm really looking forward to looking forward to all the Hoffs, but I'm looking forward to
02:42:03.120Vidar's Hoff and Vowley's Hoff and just what establishing Hoff to these particular gods will
02:42:12.160yield as far as a greater closeness and a greater understanding of them and hopefully blessings
02:42:21.200and through that that's a really cool thing um that we've seen with lord balder at baldershoff
02:42:31.460and yeah i'm really looking forward to that i think it's a tremendous opportunity
02:42:37.540and something that goes a long way to reconnect our folk with their gods
02:42:44.900so I'm looking forward to that and that's definitely one of these there's there's a few
02:42:52.020of these gods that we have a very brief snippet we've got a little bit here we've got a little
02:42:57.840bit and a couple other sources but we don't get the the depth that I wish we had and hopefully
02:43:04.700we can can rebuild some of that over time relationship I would love to see like a sanctum
02:43:11.080of silence where, you know, self-contemplation and quietness would be like part of the totality
02:43:18.560of the Hoff, where that strength, that inner strength coming from self-contemplation.
02:43:30.260In section 30, we move now to Vaule. So Vidar is corrective action at the right time. Like
02:43:40.340in Daoism. I think it's called Wu Wei. It's the inaction to the right action at the right time.
02:43:47.280But then there is Vaoli, who is immediate action. Things are thrown out of the balance and must be
02:43:55.660corrected. And it is in 30. One is called Auli or Vaoli, son of Odin and Rindr, one of the
02:44:07.520Oustvenir. He is daring in fights and most fortunate a marksman. And that's kind of all
02:44:15.080we get. But let's kind of break some of that down. First off, the biggest confusion that I think a
02:44:27.700lot of people have is the misinterpretation that the Kinslayer has a son named Vaoli.
02:44:37.520I think that by one simple mistake, they've shifted it off.
02:44:43.320But that no, in actuality, it is Vowli who turns himself into a wolf and slays the Kinslayer's son because Lord Odin and the Kinslayer, Loki, they are fathers.
02:45:02.420and one loses the son so the other has to lose his son and i think that you know this is not
02:45:11.840in painstaking detail but the broad stroke of it is still blood red that the visceral nature of
02:45:18.920the situation um a lot of people are are like oh well maybe you know there's just double word usage
02:45:25.340No, you can kind of see where grammatically it gets flipped. And if Vowli is able as a marksman and he brings immediate divine retribution, not only against Hother, but against the kinslayer's own son to bring things into balance in the form of a wolf.
02:45:52.100you see again this beast bestial nature um but it's honed and it becomes kind of a
02:46:01.180a concept that i would say is like where you are a wolf head for war but not for peace not for
02:46:09.240your family you're not a wolf head you know in your garage when your son's trying to learn how
02:46:15.000to tie his shoes. No, you're a wolf head in its proper time. And so I've often associated Lord0.99
02:46:22.280with the wolf head, with the warrior. And I think it is about timing. And a lot of people get that
02:46:33.780confused or they have this over glorification of the usage of violence and the rectification
02:46:42.480of in of injustices against say your people um and they get that all wrong and voli really does
02:46:49.340teach that it is the immediacy but proper alignment of time laid forth and it it's surgical
02:47:00.060or it's overwhelming and so i think the idea of the difference between the wolf and the bow
02:47:06.860So for folks like, you know, when we open a Hof to Lord Wawli, these are things that I'm thinking about that I really want to try to incorporate because I feel like there are mysteries there.
02:47:22.860But the other thing, the Austveneer, Rinder. Rinder means the rind. And this is most likely referring to crust of ice, the rind of ice, since it's used in that context elsewhere.
02:47:40.580Um, so we see this, um, earth born of the earth and born of the willful nature. So the willful nature combines with the totality of a fleeting element of the earth, the snow, the ice.
02:48:01.780So it again refers to timing. It refers to like just the right placement of time. And I also find it kind of interesting. I'm not saying that these two have connection. But again, in a world of infinite or law, you know, coincidences, I wonder, are not really always a thing.
02:48:26.140And so in this case, vengeance or, you know, the revengeance against Hawthorne comes from the goddess of ice or the house veneer of ice and snow.
02:48:41.800So in essence, yeah, the saying revenge is, you know, best served cold.
02:48:49.120I find the imagery of Valley is just so visceral and just cool.
02:49:00.060But he's born and matures to manhood and does the deed before he combs his hair or washes the afterbirth off of him, dripping with gore.
02:49:29.580literally ties loki to the stone with loki's son's own entrails um
02:49:40.220it's just so visceral and that's an awful picture those pictures are hideous um
02:49:49.340I think one thing that people should key in on too is because of the immediacy of his action, there's no harboring for hatred, anger.
02:50:03.380No, he's so immediate that he is absolutely clean in his action. He's not there to contemplate or get angry at Hadar or anything. No, it's so developed in that fast sense that he's just pure in his action. Instant dharma.
02:50:24.220yeah i there there's such little about um about valley but i think what there is is extremely
02:50:40.220powerful um swan let's let's do the next two tonight and call it call it a night after the
02:50:53.940been about Forseti. And this would complete the list of the ouse and the temples. 31 of Ullr.
02:51:08.240One is called Ullr, son of Sif, stepson of Thor. He is so excellent a bowman and so swift on
02:51:19.760snowshoes, that none may contend with him. He is also fair of aspect and has accomplishments
02:51:26.100of a warrior. It is well to call on him in single combats.
02:51:34.140We've talked about this at Thorshof a lot in relation to Sif and the Siba, or the family,0.94
02:51:43.300um the idea of the farm the household but not only that just the uh community the idea of
02:51:53.880both farming and hunting correlating and into uh the way that they feed and substantiate the home
02:52:04.520or the group of homes the village the the um the basic connectivity points that we have as
02:52:11.720as folk especially in elder times um i think you know and that's kind of why leading to those
02:52:19.980processes one of like hunting farming um and then even with through the being prayed to for good
02:52:28.280brew because the the farming goes into preservation and and even brewing of alcohol and things of like
02:52:37.260that is that we clearly see this nexus of good rain and blessed bounty from Lord Thor bringing
02:52:50.680about an interconnected sense of harvest from the fields, harvest from the forests, and utilizing
02:53:02.140and prolonging that harvest to benefit the strength of the family so i think that um a lot of people
02:53:10.820kind of uh toss and turn on this but again when we talk about this is so specific about
02:53:18.980the son of sif stepson of thor that it throws a lot of people off the the familiar uh nature of
02:53:28.900the of the gods um i i think that uh perhaps it is more uh symbolic but it is again still
02:53:40.760interesting and of course we see it being very materially based in these this part of the poem
02:53:47.360um where they're speaking about gods as if they are just great warriors and um i think that has
02:53:56.680unfortunately it was showing that decline and separation even at that time but amongst a lot
02:54:05.640of the folk lord uller is of course prayed to for the hunt um but also for self-protection and
02:54:13.800ultimately self-reliance so you kind of see these rings of influence where uh folk build their
02:54:20.840relationships to the gods and it as it spreads out clearly there's interlapping and overlapping
02:54:28.100of things and and that's okay but we see it's um oftentimes during um house bloat or uh the fall
02:54:36.960sacrifices or the fall rituals and uh winter finding sometimes uh there is the celebration
02:54:45.160of the hunter and moving forward into the winter with a focused sense and it's it kind of mirrors
02:54:53.960uh dis uh disting where um we see you know the focusing forward in the summer tide
02:55:02.260ullr is the lord of that attainment that focus um i i even talk a lot about how
02:55:10.500you know being of the gods of natural law one of the interesting things is he is the lord of death
02:55:19.200but not by natural causes is the balance and the equilibrium in nature that we see when oh you see
02:55:26.120the cute bunny and then the hawk comes it's not personal the hawk needs to eat so there's these
02:55:33.680um you know levels of death that we can observe in nature and we see this in the i call him the
02:55:44.560the shadow between the boughs like the boughs of trees um and he is that that mystery of
02:55:52.480attainment and being predator and prey and uh you know as it says to call upon him
02:55:59.120in single combat i've always associated with uh self-defense and um
02:56:07.680arming one's self against uh to not be prey if you will
02:56:12.800did i lose you um negative oh okay um so next we move into uh chapter 32
02:56:33.680The last of the ouse, the 12 ouse, the reason the sun and rod behind the heads of the gods have 12 spokes is in reference to the 12 ouse and their support and dominion over all order.
02:57:01.140Forseti is the name of the son of Baldur and Nanna, daughter of Nep.
02:57:08.220He has that hall in heaven, which is called Glitnir, or the shining.
02:57:14.480All that come to him with such quarrels as arise out of lawsuits.
02:57:21.500All these return thence reconciled. That is the best seat of judgment amongst gods and men. And thus it is said here, a hall is called Glitnir, with gold it is pillared, and with silver thatched the same, where Forseti bides a full day through and puts to sleep all suits, or cases, if you will.
02:57:51.500Now, Lord Forseti is, I think, one of, just as much as I allocate Lord Bragi to mathematics, when you think about music and you think about poetry and you think about meter and then you think about numbers and so on, these kind of spheres of influence.
02:58:13.060One of the other ones that kind of, you know, try to pronounce to people is Lord Forseti is the God of governance and what separates us from the rest of the world.
02:58:31.000how and why our people have been at the forefront of societies and governments.
02:58:39.580It's not just pray to Lord Forseti in case or in cases or legalities, which totally can do.
03:03:39.320And I think you were right in that there are three options.
03:03:44.400Maybe option three is our understanding of divinity is imperfect because we are people trying to understand the you.
03:03:58.660Oftentimes, very subtle messaging of the divine in our lives to the best of our abilities.
03:04:05.060And we're trying to equate grand cosmic forces and grand cosmic truths to things that make sense to us, that we have points of commonality to imagine and to wrap our heads around.
03:04:21.100I think that both of the hierarchies or both of the pantheons of gods that you were talking about are true in the sense that they're the best attempt by the elders of those groups of people to codify their understanding of the divine in the best way that they know.
03:04:45.520Where you find points of overlap and points of commonality, I think that's a very strong indicator of truth to it.
03:04:55.680And I also think that, you know, neither one of those things is perfect.
03:05:01.100Our understanding of the gods through the Norse corpus of lore that's made it to us is imperfect and incomplete.
03:05:14.080more is revealed to us over the course of the ages. When we find ourselves on the other side
03:05:20.000of the veil, I think that the reality of our gods is far beyond, you know, our flailing attempts to
03:05:28.200understand them, and is much more profound. And I don't think that any of them are, you know,
03:05:34.620any of these understandings of pantheons is the exclusive end of the truth of the matter. But it
03:05:41.660is a starting point, and it puts our faith in a framework that we build upon and that we launch
03:05:50.180from on our further continued understanding of the gods. But you raise another good point when
03:05:56.940you talk about, or maybe, you know, the different gods for different people and different stuff.1.00
03:06:04.200When you venture outside of Arian people, I think that may well be the case. We don't try to1.00
03:06:10.900suggest that our gods are the gods of the Nubians or the Chinese or whatever that might be.
03:06:18.200Their race and their gods are their own thing to figure out. But amongst Aryan peoples,0.88
03:06:24.440these are all culturally and geographically and temporally specific attempts at, to the best of
03:06:35.240our understanding, placing in a cohesive and comprehensible framework the knowledge of our folk
03:06:44.100about the nature of the specific gods of our people. And I think that there are positives to
03:06:53.660each of those things, but I think that they're all built in a way that is cohesive amongst itself.
03:07:01.480That's why we try to stick to the Norse names and the Norse stories as our default and bring other things in when it's necessary or when it's useful.
03:07:14.220But when you're aimless and you're just you will literally drive yourself crazy trying to make it all fit perfectly.
03:07:21.660It will never fit perfectly because no one who's recorded any of it has a perfect understanding.
03:07:28.780but we are all endeavoring to have a more perfect understanding and hopefully you know each year
03:07:37.200each decade each century that we are doing this we have a more perfect more complete understanding
03:07:43.780and that's our hope and that's something that we you know already see in play and something
03:07:49.880we're very confident of um getting ever closer to that understanding as as time unfolds before
03:07:58.680us swan do you think to add to that yeah i you know when we talk about the interconnectivity
03:08:06.200between cultures and we see like i talk about it all the time with the tripartites um and the idea
03:08:14.520the the trip the trinities within all aryan branches and even uh branches that are influenced
03:08:21.160or intermixed with with um arians uh adopt or like christianity adopted it completely once it came
03:08:30.440into europe um all of these things are cultural interpretations for the norse model we have to
03:08:41.400contend with it not being written down too far after but a lot of people forget the hellenics
03:08:48.200the re one of the big hurdles they have to cross is that there was a whole class of people who
03:08:54.360absolutely despised the priest class and they went to great lengths to um
03:09:04.040besmirch the divinity um at the time they're called the philosophes the philosophers many of
03:09:11.560them in work with um creating these kind of dramas to uh place the gods in in in some sort of lesser
03:09:20.440effect and so a lot of people think that's all that hellenic religiosity is and don't consider
03:09:29.000you know the the hundreds to thousands of years of building up to that but um all of these cultural
03:09:37.320expressions can exist in each of these groups but what we're starting to see is one by one
03:09:46.120the reality of it is is that as we were one in the ancient past with our gods we have split up
03:09:54.760we have faced the the trials of fate and what has come about is we are now at one really with
03:10:05.800the gods again. And that is in the Germanic model. I try to say that there's much respect
03:10:14.380and I have deep reservations of simply stating that people can't connect with the gods in
03:10:21.580their own cultural ways. But the reality is, is that we are now uniting as one and we're uniting
03:10:29.040as one um at a very crucial time and there's just a lot of people that cannot get over these
03:10:36.320mental hurdles or obstacles of thinking of the gods as the gods and that every expression they
03:10:45.200see in every distinct group of people is unique to those people and very important but overarching
03:10:53.600is that it's this the the they're the same gods that's why we often say we we are pan-arian um
03:11:03.200so you know i think people that split hairs too much end up dividing uh or you know purity
03:11:12.000spiraling to fragmentation there's there's lots of right ways to do it but this is the way that
03:11:21.760has worked and that is successful and that is showing the blessings of the gods moving forward
03:11:29.200this unites us we've traveled around the world so far that we've met ourselves
03:11:35.520and now we're re-coalescing as a folk and it's important now more than ever to recognize our
03:11:42.400commonality as a folk and to stand united there is a tendency amongst our people to fragment
03:11:50.320and balkanize into irrelevancy we represent very you know a very small percentage of white people0.66
03:12:02.000are worshiping white people gods we should all get on the team and do it the way that is successful0.67
03:12:10.480which is what we're doing we would invite the rest of our folk who are heterosexual white persons0.53
03:12:16.560to come home to the austral folk assembly to get on the team let's move forward there's tons of
03:12:23.120ways that could have been picked this is the way that was picked and it's the path that was shown
03:12:28.640divine favor and it is the path that we are moving forward on and enjoying beautiful and wonderful
03:12:35.920things um so there's an endless debate about what coulda shoulda woulda but this is what is
03:12:45.280and it is cohesive to all do it in a unified fashion instead of dispersing all of our
03:12:54.480momentum all of our energy into a million different little puddles
03:13:02.240you know i think that our founder said only when we realize that we are a river
03:13:06.800will we stop drowning in puddles we have to move together with the full force of our folk
03:13:13.520in order to restore our faith to where it ought to be
03:13:17.800and to unite our folk for something better.
03:13:21.380I think a really easy way to look at things
03:13:23.940with the differences in Mediterranean versus Germanic or whatever,
03:13:30.940the folk started and then came into Europe
03:13:34.620and then they kind of branched off.0.58
03:13:38.360It's the same way that the Europeans came into America
03:13:42.040and then they branched off and all of a sudden one group is saying you all and pop for soda
03:13:52.120whereas another group is saying y'all and coke and then those folks out west are starting to say
03:13:58.160gnarly dude and then all of a sudden jackson county tennessee starts winning and that's where
03:14:07.020the good stuff is so that's also true and you should come to jackson county and you should do
03:14:13.480also true with the afa and such that was strange and meandering but the conclusion is solid i will
03:14:22.780back that you guys should all move to jackson county this is where else trues happen and it
03:14:27.520should happen here um and no yahweh is not served well here's the thing so the last question and i
03:14:33.980know if it's just for fun and i don't mean it overly serious we get this a lot uh thank you
03:14:39.180in response can we all agree that yahweh is certain um the thing that i think is important
03:14:44.940and we've been over this ad nauseum but our folk there's a continued tendency that we see of well
03:14:56.060aren't you know dark elves really black folks and aren't you know this thing really
03:15:02.780yeah no here's the thing and this is liberating in this world that is so um
03:15:16.220i want to say diverse but it's like the opposite of diverse where we have this forced trying to
03:15:22.300to mesh all these things together. No, our, our lore and our conception of ourself is completely
03:15:31.260and totally segregated. Yahweh doesn't have anything to do with our lore and our lore has
03:15:38.860nothing to do with Yahweh. They're completely and totally separate. And there's beauty in that0.98
03:15:45.440on, on our side, certainly. And I would imagine on the other team's side, there's beauty for them.
03:15:52.300Same with other races of people. They're not part of our lore. They're not referenced in, you know, the cosmology of our faith, because our faith is about us as a people, not about other things that are not us.1.00
03:16:08.700and there's a dignity in that for everyone involved.
03:16:14.260No, we don't need to find cognates in other people's religion
03:16:19.160and try to make them fit into our faith.
03:16:22.620Our divinity doesn't have to relate to the divinity of the Jews