Asatru Folk Assembly - 4⧸10⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 92 - Vafþrúðnismál

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00:03:00.000 hello everybody and welcome to another exciting edition of victory never sleeps

00:03:24.880 tonight svawn and i are going to start and we'll see how far we make it it's a little bit different

00:03:37.080 uh these sometimes lora's broke up differently and the have them all which we did seven parts of

00:03:43.740 he's really meaty with uh like experiential things so i'm not sure how it's going to go

00:03:52.740 tonight as far as length like i said we'll see how far we make it but tonight we are starting the

00:03:58.660 bath truth nismal um to get us started just so everybody

00:04:10.180 so everybody knows so everybody is on the same page nick if you could put the link in there

00:04:16.900 as per usual we're going to be using the bellows translation um

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00:07:09.140 hail to you, Ronald. And thank you very much. Hail the givers. We appreciate you guys more

00:07:15.160 than you know. Trying to think if there's anything else off the top. Oh, I would be

00:07:21.940 remiss if i didn't acknowledge today is our day of remembrance for uh mr john ewell better known

00:07:31.860 as stoba a pioneer in the early days of modern aussitrue that helped get us on course to where

00:07:40.420 we're at today and somebody that uh was was very seminal in making making this happen that we all

00:07:48.660 enjoy so we celebrate him today on his day of remembrance without further ado i think that's

00:08:00.820 where we're at and we're kind of ready to dive in um you know first svawn is there anything you'd

00:08:11.220 like to tell folks about this poem itself any kind of background anything you think folks might

00:08:19.220 need to be aware of before we go into it yeah i i definitely think that one thing that to give

00:08:26.580 context to what we're doing is or just to help kind of roadmap the the stories there are

00:08:34.340 encyclopedia poems and there are three of them that everyone should be familiar with

00:08:41.060 or want to be familiar with if you're trying to kind of codex the the entirety of

00:08:48.660 I guess the support structures of the faith as far as from a poetic standpoint, of course,

00:08:56.180 it gives us kind of a checklist and it was its original purpose was for the scald, the keeper

00:09:03.320 of the stories, the keeper of the poems and the keeper of the lore to have kind of an idea,

00:09:10.400 a roadmap and a mental checklist, as well as a verbal kind of arsenal when they were preparing

00:09:18.520 and creating uh poems and these there's three of them and this is the first one so it's in essence

00:09:28.200 a battle of wits and we find ourselves like kind of in the middle of uh questioning and answering

00:09:39.320 that are ultimately a gain of or a way to pass down tradition and a way to pass down again knowledge

00:09:47.000 whether it's you know this this one might not necessarily have been geared towards um

00:09:54.840 people in a hall or uh you know a family if you will maybe sections of it uh particularly maybe

00:10:02.120 because of their beauty or the way that it sounded but it wasn't in its entirety geared towards an

00:10:07.000 audience it was actually geared towards other scalds or other shops or other bards or whatever

00:10:12.760 word you want to use it um to fill that spot in and so you have you have uh is the first one

00:10:21.080 then you have grimness mall which is the second one and then you have alvis mall which is the

00:10:26.280 third one and that's uh two of them are of course involving lord odin and the third one interestingly

00:10:32.520 and fun fun enough uh again because a lot of people fail to to uh you know admit this that uh

00:10:39.480 lord the storm father lord thor is also wise and very all-knowing um and so he is also involved

00:10:47.960 in one of these uh kind of encyclopedia back and forth question and answer form of poems

00:10:55.160 so this is the first one of three that i really think i mean we're we're most likely we're going

00:10:59.160 to cover them but um i wanted to you know give people an idea as to what's going on and there's

00:11:06.680 some stipulation about the beginning of this poem um the the survivability of it in relation

00:11:15.960 to it being written down in notes elsewhere the first part of this poem is a little again

00:11:23.320 kind of uh it doesn't substantiate well or it may have been added in later because of a loss

00:11:30.520 of the beginning and so we find like they they supported it later on um with this introduction

00:11:39.240 between lord odin and lady frega and then from there they move into the poem pretty swiftly

00:11:48.120 another thing that's worth noting and i i don't know if the numbers are significant but it seems

00:11:53.000 almost that uh he only really gives four questions out and then the rest lord odin gives in return

00:12:04.280 and um comes out with with quite a bit so this really ends up becoming a kind of a questioning

00:12:12.040 uh on on uh more so than on lord odin um in an interesting way i don't know if that was done

00:12:22.120 on purpose or uh how it was exactly compiled or the reasonings behind that but i just i think

00:12:29.320 that's very interesting that lord odin like stands for four and then he gets to question the rest and

00:12:35.720 the the battery of questions in which he gives are aggressive and they have con you know uh

00:12:42.360 continuity to his name the name the haiti that he has in the poem um as a again he he's he's not

00:12:52.280 it's it might be a play on words he's not giving counsel he's gaining counsel and he's gaining

00:12:57.320 counsel by asking questions and that of course pertains to the haiti but we'll get into that

00:13:02.280 later so right out the gate this is a story about lord owen telling lady frigga that he wants to go

00:13:11.240 and test his wits against this mighty poet this mighty riddler this mighty lore crunching

00:13:19.800 jotun who everyone knows is um extremely powerful and she already kind of knows where he's going

00:13:29.080 and um he does you know test himself i have seen some stories in which they take the poems and

00:13:38.760 convert them back into stories and they always seem to add an element of death to this the idea

00:13:43.920 that perhaps they're betting or wagering their heads um and i see this kind of repeated through

00:13:49.500 and so i know it's in i i know it sounds bad but i guess i being honest is being honest i know it's

00:13:57.400 in one of the stories but it seems to be that they apply it to a lot of them so then i end up losing

00:14:02.460 which one actually has it and which one they just seem to add to caused a little bit of confusion

00:14:08.160 for me when i was younger because i always just ended up kind of thinking that it was always like

00:14:13.440 to the death uh clearly with alvis small um there is a a dire consequence with getting into riddles

00:14:21.040 with lord thor so uh but that's another that's another time so just to prep that and get that

00:14:27.200 into the into everyone's mindset this is a a sit down um between an ancient jotun and lord odin

00:14:35.520 and their contextualizing of everything with the express purpose that the person learning this poem

00:14:44.080 is supposed to know these and have them as a mental checklist so that when they create poetry

00:14:51.840 they can fall back on the traditionals the traditional words and the traditional sets

00:14:57.680 and it was one of the best ways I think that Snorty kept our faith alive and also that there

00:15:06.560 I think there are great secrets hidden within more I would say esoteric or or just deeply

00:15:16.080 hidden perhaps the gods within the intent of us finding and exerting these these secrets later

00:15:24.720 um do reside in this poem all right well with with that would you like to go ahead and

00:15:37.200 get folks started on uh the truth in the smile one yeah so uh

00:15:48.480 lost through the near uh just to explain it because i know it's going to catch people up

00:15:52.960 on the tongue every time we do it um vaf by itself means to it's the same as in the english word

00:16:01.040 weft when when sewing when weaving uh it also means to wrap or to to wind tightly and so um

00:16:12.320 Thrudnir, of course, is kind of strong, but strong in word. So the strong riddles or the strong

00:16:23.520 song, strong poet, the one who weaves words tightly. And I find that interesting too,

00:16:31.040 considering if you ever look up the origin of the word vardlokr and how it may have parallels to the

00:16:38.720 word warlock in english um i know warlock ended up kind of popping up later on in the middle ages

00:16:45.680 but it has come from somewhere and it has a kind of a parallel to the word word locking um which

00:16:51.680 is an interesting um perspective of of uh another kind of unknown telling of magics uh within uh

00:17:00.080 our ancestors but here it's it seems to be again the idea is that to be able to twist words wrap

00:17:07.040 words tighten words or use words to bind all have a great strength so weave riddler is kind of or

00:17:18.320 wrapping i don't want to say wrapping riddler because that that has context different nowadays

00:17:23.120 but it's uh it's you know it's the weaving riddler is kind of his name um so othin othin

00:17:34.320 uh quad or odin quotes or other than quote quote odin it's basically odin spake one

00:17:44.720 counsel me frig for i long to fare and fought through the near fane would find

00:17:51.920 fit wisdom old with the giant wise myself would i seek to match

00:17:56.960 so right out out the gate it's it's stating that again this this beginning may have been

00:18:07.440 substantiated in order to link into the poem itself and that the front half of this poem may

00:18:13.440 have had some problems especially with the actual losing of a piece of the of the parchment um

00:18:21.920 so right out the gate it starts off with a dialogue and he's basically saying

00:18:26.960 You know, I, I, I would feign, feign would find, I would like to go out and, uh, with, with joy, go out and find this old giant who is apparently of high renown and match myself against him and see where I stand.

00:18:47.160 Do you want to, you want me to like, cause I don't know if we want to stop at each one or kind of, uh.

00:18:52.760 No, let's go ahead and keep going until we have a kind of more of a base.

00:18:57.800 Yeah, I'll I'll throw stuff in there if I think, you know, if I need to.

00:19:02.580 And if we stop, just kind of if you give a little pause after each stanza, just in case.

00:19:07.260 But no, I think we're I think we're good.

00:19:10.180 Well, here it says, you know, freak, quote, freak.

00:19:18.800 her her father here at home i would keep and it's interesting she speaks of him as

00:19:26.360 the father of battle um here at home i would keep where the gods together dwell

00:19:35.740 amid all the giants and equal in might to fathrudner know i none and this of course sets up

00:19:43.340 the, this is the, the rise of the roller coaster before the drop, because it's one thing to have 0.88

00:19:50.320 everyone have this, you know, this guy is this, this Yoten is all powerful, but then it's another 0.88

00:19:58.400 thing when your wife says, there's no one that matches him. Like you should not do this, which

00:20:05.120 is of course gonna make it even more so. So it's, it's definitely the pullback on the slingshot.

00:20:11.700 And I think it's a methodology that works and it shows a kind of, I think, a relationship dynamic that would, it's still pertinent today, but shows that it was pertinent then with the idea that Lord Odin and Lady Frigga are having this kind of husband-wife conversation and he wants to test himself on something.

00:20:35.560 and and she kind of winds them up even more maybe intentionally maybe not intentionally who knows

00:20:41.960 i would say probably unintentionally as as it's kind of set up but you know it's going to happen

00:20:47.160 because it has to because no one you know is uh is of of the the uh the same uh

00:20:58.760 uh i can't like so the word they use here is uh uh yeah yard of not yard of naman yard of not is

00:21:08.120 consumptive or the the person who knows he's so hungry for knowledge like no one can match him

00:21:15.560 um and so should i go ahead oh no go ahead i was just gonna say kind of a side note on this passage

00:21:24.440 not really um relevant to the poem but any of you guys that have been in one of our

00:21:33.080 our odin bloats may recognize the the title harry a father um

00:21:41.640 i'm trying to think of another instance of its use because it's not one of the frequently used ones

00:21:48.920 but um just here's kind of an example of that if you've ever heard we have a chant during that

00:21:53.480 tabloat that we do called the Harry Father chant. And this is an instance in the lore of that term

00:22:02.260 being used. Yeah. And the translation of that is very confusing for an English speaker because

00:22:09.920 it survives in the English language in a very odd place. If you were to say the Vikings harried

00:22:18.160 the coast of scotland that meant that they raided and attacked you could say that the wolf pack

00:22:24.200 harried the um the caribou and that means that they're just kind of swiping in one by one over

00:22:32.160 and over and over again uh but it also means to to has a kind of a notion to flying or to

00:22:39.580 to raising up like with the harrier um airplane in the marine corps or uh like the the falcon

00:22:48.620 and um so there's a connection there between flying and also attacking so you'll see these

00:22:54.060 kind of translations where it's like it means the raiding father um and i think that it also

00:23:02.060 has connections of course to hair or a warrior same as in german uh herman kind of a member of

00:23:08.700 the of the army um so you find this like convoluted basically people just trying to pick what

00:23:15.660 they feel might have better context for the moment but in general it means you know battle or

00:23:22.700 attacking father the father of of assault if you will um and i think that that fits better in the

00:23:31.580 idea that we should think of that uh it battle is that that again that rushing forward

00:23:44.620 proceed okay so in the third stanza and again it says and you can see these parts again

00:23:50.620 ovin cloth quote ovin much have i fared much have i found much have i got from the gods

00:23:59.660 and fain would i know how fast ruth near now lives in his lofty hall

00:24:08.860 so he would he he's seeking the the joy of of knowing you know where his established

00:24:19.580 knowledge where his um renown is coming from again just another re reattestment but it is

00:24:25.420 interesting too that much have i got from the gods and this is an important thing i think that um

00:24:33.900 you and and i also ago they were talking about this like a little while ago and when i read this

00:24:38.460 it clicked in again a lot of people have this concept that like uh in the stories if heimdall

00:24:46.220 gives the runes it can't be heimdall it has to be odin uh that that the idea that the gods enter

00:24:55.420 connect and create a strata there is a hierarchy but i think that there's a a heavy dependence on

00:25:05.020 kind of this either monotheistic thought or like again i i see it in hinduism where they're

00:25:10.140 kind of combining everything into into one shiva or one vishnu and there cannot be but inter

00:25:17.580 palatians or or uh kind of fragments or facets or or whatever um but here you know lord othen says i

00:25:27.180 i learned much from the gods i've learned from my my folk that the heavenly folk i've learned

00:25:34.860 all the wisdom that i can and i want to go out and seek outside of the in the outer guard the

00:25:42.540 renown that this you know supposed uh you know weaving riddler has uh has gained for himself

00:25:52.300 and i find that very interesting because our a lot of people don't think of the the gods as

00:25:59.260 they have to physically be kind of amalgamated into one because they're not truly hard polytheistist

00:26:07.420 polytheistic um they see and kind of jam the gods into

00:26:14.140 uh one thing if you will and that anything outside of that is just story fluff to them

00:26:22.140 and i think it's this this line here really does speak of the gods as being

00:26:30.400 very powerful beings but that they do find strength and uh betterment by

00:26:39.380 connecting and working together um as opposed to just simply being a story piece of what i guess

00:26:48.380 is like veiled monotheism in a lot of ways so i want to i i really like that part

00:26:53.860 so lady frig relents in stanza four

00:27:04.720 she says um now in in the uh in the um

00:27:16.620 stanza in the old norse you'll see the word

00:27:18.860 And we were talking about that with heil and heilsa and hellu, this really is the usage of the word, not saying hello, but saying whole, well, come back whole.

00:27:36.280 So, safe mayest thou go, safe come again. So, heil thu farir, means wholly or wellly shall you go, heil thu afterkomar, afterwards come back whole.

00:27:53.360 and i really love that that saying that that um that line i've seen it translated in many

00:28:02.500 different ways but you know whole shall you go and whole shall you return and i really love the

00:28:10.020 fact that he used some some older english or words here with um safe mayest thou go safe come again

00:28:17.320 and safe be thy way thou wendest um that is a a word that i use in one of my prayers uh wendest

00:28:25.240 meaning of course to to go about or to go around or to travel about something um

00:28:34.520 father of men let thy mind be keen when speech with the giant thou seekest and that that that

00:28:43.960 part there uh a v there do we cloud through skulls our father or them words that are spoken myla

00:28:57.480 the the giant as um and again remember whenever you see the word yoten don't think of giant

00:29:03.160 perseist as say think of giant and yoten meaning an ancient being one that has been since either

00:29:11.560 most spelly nifl hell or the the slaying of emir

00:29:22.280 a quick just point of uh

00:29:29.400 i don't know association and kind of a call back to our uh have them all i think it was the last

00:29:36.280 time we spoke we went over the rune song that describes it very similar on the uh

00:29:44.920 the the sig rune or the the victory room um about uh sending you know sending your comrades out to

00:29:53.880 battle whole having them return whole from the field it's the same kind of poetic alliteration

00:30:00.520 with the same with the same verbiage there and it really stands out and i i agree i think it's really

00:30:06.680 beautifully put there yeah i think if anybody wanted to if we were talking about the revitalization of

00:30:14.520 of certain cultural customs i mean we have some that have survived and some that haven't um

00:30:21.720 i know that some people when they when they talk about guests you know getting a drink for a guest

00:30:25.960 or you know these things kind of survive i definitely could see this as a um a cultural

00:30:31.480 way of saying you know goodbyes you know whole you should go and holy hole you should come back or

00:30:37.640 well you should go and well you should come back because again it's reiterated throughout our lore

00:30:43.080 so you know i want to i think this is a good enough time to bring this up as well

00:30:48.200 it's we have lost the direct association with kind of the root concept of health

00:31:01.520 um this extends uh spiritually it extends culturally it extends to lifestyle

00:31:11.460 um the the original i don't know way our people conceived of being healthy was being whole was not

00:31:20.740 missing a piece of yourself um and that wasn't just a physical concept it's like yeah we don't

00:31:28.420 want you to get maimed and come back missing an arm missing a leg or damaged physically but also

00:31:36.100 you know missing a missing a part of yourself um one of the biggest things and our founder

00:31:46.200 steve mcnellen put this probably best when he talked about the soul sickness of our folk

00:31:51.760 that soul sickness is based on us missing a fundamental piece of who we are by rejecting

00:32:00.020 our ancestors rejecting 0.97

00:32:02.860 and embracing Christianity 0.93

00:32:04.680 our people have been 1.00

00:32:06.980 unwhole since then

00:32:09.120 in a spiritual way

00:32:10.540 and that's caused us great damage

00:32:13.100 so the concept

00:32:14.960 of living a holistic life

00:32:17.260 of this faith being all

00:32:19.000 encompassing and

00:32:20.500 of

00:32:20.880 having all of your

00:32:24.920 parts that make

00:32:27.120 you a whole completed

00:32:28.780 being the key to good health, is really fundamental in how we view the world.

00:32:33.560 And it's also fundamental in our view of justice.

00:32:43.200 In other faiths, the only person who is wronged by an injustice is their God.

00:32:52.580 And so that's the only power they need to make it right by.

00:32:56.180 in in our faith it's very different if you injure someone or damage them steal their property or in

00:33:06.680 a less obvious way in situations of honor or i mean we'll see this in this day and age with

00:33:13.280 something like uh like libel or defamation if you take away a piece of someone's reputation

00:33:22.820 If you take away some of their standing or some of their fame, or if you take something from them, that was the point of justice to our ancestors.

00:33:33.560 It's why the vengeance culture arose that did was they needed to extract an equal amount of whatever you took or the closest equivalent they could get to become whole again.

00:33:48.420 and until they did they were missing a piece of themselves they're missing a piece of their luck

00:33:54.660 they're missing a piece of their fame a piece of who they are and sometimes that survived in legal

00:34:02.780 in legalese to this day when we talk about you know

00:34:07.240 compensation for something what's this what's it going to take to make you whole what's it

00:34:13.300 to take to make this party whole so the idea is what's going to refill what was taken and so

00:34:21.460 that's very much a concept from our ancestors and our people and it's fundamental to that expression

00:34:29.220 you know we refer to that as health and it's important to realize it's

00:34:32.900 it's got uh spiritual and social implications and not just physical ones

00:34:38.660 i think it it also lends to the idea that um

00:34:47.060 ausitru as a faith is naturally folkish and naturally uh ancestral or or foundationally

00:34:56.660 based i wouldn't say past based but that we look at that which came before us as a medium of

00:35:04.580 foundation and that we should add on to it not take away but also maintain it and that the

00:35:12.180 dissolvement the disillusion of something the breaking of something um is not to be done unless

00:35:17.860 under great consideration um because we don't want to be the cause of that which makes something

00:35:24.340 unwhole um and that's how our you know our traditions are formulated years over years over

00:35:29.460 years of gift giving and the way that our gift cycle is done these considerations aren't just

00:35:35.540 willy-nilly you know laid about because they're whole and they have they have functioned they

00:35:40.100 grow better they grow stronger and they they innovate but they are based off of that that

00:35:45.860 core way of thinking and i think that the same with our people the same with the kind of our laws

00:35:50.980 the way of our lands um i know that our ancestors were very apt to go into the lands of other folk

00:35:57.860 and you know be there and experience or even you know and give praise to certain

00:36:03.780 folk in other lands uh for what they have and what they've done and perhaps think you know

00:36:08.740 we should have that as well um speaking of like the vikings when the the viking that went into

00:36:14.100 like arabia and they saw the uh like the the persian southern persian uh kingdoms and they

00:36:21.940 were like wow these guys are doing great they've got lots of money they they've got lots of lands

00:36:26.500 they've got their stuff figured out this is phenomenal um and so they definitely give praise

00:36:31.460 for things that they they consider good but it's very rarely at the sacrifice of what was from

00:36:37.780 before they're not just going to throw everything in the bin uh their ancestors the traditions that

00:36:43.700 were you know built there and i mean that happens with christianity over and over and over again

00:36:47.780 we see that um but it also kind of re-emphasizes a lot of that point about the truth as being

00:36:56.100 returning to whole as opposed to you see nowadays in modern modern age where people are just kind of

00:37:03.540 glorifying the the uh the pieces if you will

00:37:13.460 all right what verse are we on next in case people are following along

00:37:21.140 okay let's see here

00:37:25.140 let me see we are on number five all right

00:37:30.980 now this is an interesting one and i um so i was looking into this more and again it might be

00:37:41.880 it might be a spelling error um and i don't i would definitely say for those watching tonight

00:37:49.280 put a question mark around this and look into it because there are some people that have gone

00:37:55.000 in a direction towards perhaps an ausenior,

00:37:59.660 but I don't know if that's 100%,

00:38:01.800 but in this stanza here,

00:38:04.720 the wisdom then of the giant wise,

00:38:08.660 forth did he fare to try.

00:38:11.460 He found the hall of the father of Im,

00:38:14.940 and in forth went Ike.

00:38:20.520 So this is interesting

00:38:22.860 because the they're speaking about as being the father of in is what it's it says uh there's no

00:38:33.980 knowing as to what this uh then this correlates to perhaps another story that was lost or was

00:38:41.740 never written down um some have tried to say that this jotun is the father of an austin because of

00:38:50.540 other um references somewhere else but the the word is not it the the name of that austin which

00:38:57.580 eludes me right now is longer than eames and so they've tried to say that that's that they are

00:39:03.900 one in the same i don't 100 um take to that i think that snorty uh some of the fragments and

00:39:12.140 things that he did was either again as simple as misspellings or connections to other uh stories

00:39:19.580 that were never written down and we'll never know but this is of course in's father is

00:39:27.100 and in forth went egg now this is another interesting part we know who egg is egg is

00:39:36.940 lord odin egg means awesome or terrifyingly awesome or uh with a sense of awe that is kind of

00:39:47.900 scary um and i i find it truly interesting because we we clearly see that lord odin is

00:39:54.540 spoken of as lord odin and then he has his haiti set but this kind of shot sends a a warning to

00:40:04.540 the audience or a warning to the poet that he's he's going in there like an like he's going in

00:40:11.340 in there like an atom bomb and in a way he kind of does because fathrunir shoots out four questions

00:40:18.060 and then the rest is lord odin just kind of title waving him and i never realized that until i kind

00:40:25.980 of was going through this again and i was like maybe that's that that that ig uh titling which

00:40:33.100 of course is everyone's familiar with igdrasil um is uh kind of a foreboding sense of what's

00:40:41.340 what's coming um but here it says you know that the the wisdom then of the giant wise

00:40:48.100 forth did he fare to try he went out uh lord odin and and in the old um old norse uh stanza

00:40:56.120 it says that lord odin went um to speak with this um all wise jotun um and inside the terrible one

00:41:07.160 walked in. And that's kind of the intro of what, you know, setting the stage, if you will.

00:41:21.980 Oh, a note on Yim. From what I can find is the meaning is like dust or soot.

00:41:37.160 Or in Norwegian, it comes down to us to mean smell.

00:41:48.200 So I don't know that that adds anything of value, but just to put it out there.

00:41:56.160 Sometimes, especially in the poems that are intended for the Skalds, when there's minor characters, their name and its meaning is very significant.

00:42:07.160 yeah the the uh double j2 is a linguistic thing that's kind of uh it ends up being like a g

00:42:18.680 k sound like uh like if uh people might be familiar with olaf trickferson

00:42:27.000 that the double g in his is a kind of a gk sound

00:42:30.520 oh you meant in sorry sorry i was going i was still wrapped up on eek um yeah i don't know i

00:42:41.740 again that's that's interesting because one of the things that i think a lot of people need

00:42:48.500 to tackle with is that snorri wrote a lot about the jotuns as i think it was kind of like

00:42:58.480 i always joke when i do some of my classes the guy that does the the slap on tape i forgot the

00:43:05.240 name of that guy but it was it's kind of like when snorty wasn't quite sure slap jotun on it

00:43:12.320 and jotun just means really ancient being of that consumptive origin and so the jotuns have

00:43:20.580 a tendency to be primordial uh you know avatars of nature but they can also be conceptual

00:43:27.960 And oftentimes I think are conceptual for the sake of the story. The wisdom that needs to be passed down has a functional purpose to be played upon, whether it was a Jotun or a Dvergar or Svartalfar or Dwarf.

00:43:48.860 Um, these, these functions have purpose and, um, there may not be an as easy connection to the primordial forces as there are with other Jotun. And there's also a lot of confusion again about descendancy from Ymir, descendancy from Mosbelheim and descendancy from Navalheim and how these three sources, uh, are the sources of the Jotuns. And we don't quite know because they're never really specified.

00:44:18.860 um but we move into stanza six

00:44:22.920 and again the the the the stanzas are are neatly ordered and and brought together oftentimes you

00:44:33.600 won't you know if there's a double stanza of speaking that's because of the meter had to be

00:44:38.300 met and um if that meter is overdone then they'll do another um kind of a double stanza but stanza

00:44:46.460 number six uh odin spake fa through near hail to thy hall am i come for thyself i feign would see

00:45:00.860 and first would i ask if wise thou art or giant all wisdom has won

00:45:07.900 so it's it's worded a little funny i think bellows is again utilizing verbiage that um

00:45:20.060 kind of double ins on itself you know uh and first would i ask if wise thou art or giant

00:45:30.060 all wisdom has won i think and this is more or less lending to the ideas that

00:45:36.180 have you earned your wisdom would be the the the better way of like kind of conceptualizing

00:45:44.100 that last line if it confuses you at all it confuses me so um yeah he's basically issuing

00:45:54.500 a challenge he's saying you know i'm here to find out whether you you know whether you know stuff

00:46:01.060 like are you wise or you know and it's so we spoke uh certainly in the how the model about hall

00:46:11.940 culture being fundamental to how our ancestors conceived of the world around them and this is

00:46:18.660 that idea of going into someone else's hall and you know laying down a challenge um this contest

00:46:27.540 didn't have to happen if he would have been like no i don't know anything i'm dumb okay cool you're

00:46:33.780 forfeiting and and i win and there's no problem but the the the concept of formally issuing a

00:46:43.220 challenge and having the challenge accepted and going into a test of luck a test of wits a test

00:46:50.340 of knowledge of scaldsmanship or of arms was a very common, certainly a common literary motif

00:47:02.020 and a common behavior of heroes. And it's met with an equal sense of like

00:47:11.060 disdain or kind of like there's an immediate posturing on both sides that becomes

00:47:16.660 very prevalent very quickly as i think they also fast through there needs to be established as

00:47:23.860 someone worthy of lord odin's you know attention he's he's not just some nobody he's gonna he's

00:47:32.500 gonna bring it and he brings it right away it's kind of funny because of the way that it's written

00:47:36.660 in the old norse versus the way bellows wrote it um bellows is a lot more polite i guess but he's

00:47:43.540 you know he says uh the the weaving riddler speaks who is this man that speaks to me

00:47:52.100 here in my lofty hall forth from our dwelling thou never shall fare unless wiser than i

00:47:59.140 than i thou art so it's very funny because there's if you look over in the old norse the word

00:48:05.780 means to like toss or throw or in essence he's like who's spitting these words at me it's like

00:48:17.100 who comes into my hall just chucking words at me with a you know without knowing you know who i am

00:48:22.900 so i find it funny he's like he's so this guy's over here spitting you know and he just says you

00:48:31.080 So, you know, rarely do I ever fare out, you know, to challenge others unless, you know, I am wiser than them.

00:48:43.400 So you best be wiser than me to be kind of in here.

00:48:46.740 And, you know, not to belabor it, but this is, again, a test of your luck and your reputation.

00:48:56.820 either of these two parties could have no i'm not i'm not wise at all i'm just

00:49:03.240 just a just a giant dude that's got a haul you know sit down have something to eat

00:49:07.800 and again when he throws it back at odin odin could have been like you know i'm nobody i was

00:49:15.380 just curious you know no big deal and again not taking the bait these opportunities to the

00:49:21.820 challenge though it's something that you see amongst men in different forms to this day

00:49:29.520 and it just reminds me of a confusing occurrence so one time when I was bouncing in Florida

00:49:39.000 I was right across the street from the Castillo de San Marco and it's this old you know this

00:49:47.100 ancient for this continent Spanish fort and it's really cool um and so St Augustine he was in St

00:49:54.200 Augustine Florida and it's you know the oldest city in the United States and this uh

00:50:02.120 gentleman of color was uh denied entrance to my establishment and

00:50:09.760 and he kept like puffing his chest out at me like you strong you think you strong what

00:50:17.200 you strong and i'm you know i kind of shrugged my shoulders i'm like

00:50:23.440 strong enough and he's like then he pointed over at the fort he says pence de leon pence de leon

00:50:31.220 what you ain't as strong as him and took off down the road so take that for what it is but

00:50:39.000 But, you know, perhaps on the other side of the veil, me and me and Ponce got something we got to work out.

00:50:43.720 I don't know.

00:50:46.920 That is awesome.

00:50:50.880 Honor to Ponce de Leon right there.

00:50:55.840 Even in the random of sense.

00:50:59.260 I think it's more akin to like, look, a unicorn, and then he kind of goes off in another direction.

00:51:05.300 yeah strange things happen but I don't want to take away from the story but while I'm

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00:52:25.520 All right. Well, take us. A challenge has been hinted at.

00:52:31.540 It's been dropped.

00:52:33.980 Take us into it.

00:52:36.280 Okay. So in this part, in verse eight, what you will normally see is a lot of people will say Gagan or Gaganrath.

00:52:45.640 Um, that is not incorrect because those are the letters that we use in English, but it is incorrect in relation to, and it kind of stands in the way of understanding or, or again, building a connection to the names of the gods and especially the Haiti that are often used.

00:53:08.240 So just remember, if you ever see a G in the middle of a word and it's not doubled, it has a tendency to be a softer, almost GY sound, and oftentimes can be completely a Y sound.

00:53:22.880 In this example, even in the English version, if you say gain wrath, because the Old Norse is gain raudr, gain is the same as in English, like what do you have to gain, and raudr is counsel, so he is the gaining counsel, he is the questioner.

00:53:49.860 And again, I think this is another shot across the bow for the poet or the audience to let them know that the great source of the questions that are going to be flowing are going to be coming from the one seeking counsel, the one who's looking to gain, and that is Lord Odin.

00:54:10.540 So, Gain Rav, or Gain Raudur, as in Old Norse, so Gain Rav.

00:54:18.100 Gain Rav, they call me, and thirsty I come for a journey hard to thy hall.

00:54:25.320 Welcome, I look for, for long have I fared, and gentle greeting, giant, Jotun.

00:54:32.020 so fathrudner speaks in stanza nine why standest thou there on the floor

00:54:44.300 wilt thou speakest a seat shall thou have in my hall then soon shall we know whose knowledge is

00:54:51.500 more the guest or the sages gray now i i really find that interesting the sages gray uh because

00:55:01.480 he says the the the gamley thuler and the thuler as we've spoken before if any you know people

00:55:08.680 remember is again the the singer the poet the storyteller um and so that you know kind of

00:55:17.720 substitutes us as as a sage sometimes here so take a seat he says and we shall find out

00:55:27.480 um and there's still a little bit more uh talking going on um it's another important thing this

00:55:36.740 reinforces and some of these things are just background notes the original audiences would

00:55:41.600 be super familiar with but that i think is worth

00:55:45.720 i don't know recalibrating ourself on are we familiarizing ourself

00:55:51.940 hospitality was an understood and an expected thing um it would be thought very poor of you

00:56:02.360 if someone came into your hall and you didn't offer them a seat and offer them something to

00:56:07.320 drink and sit them down and take care of your guest um that was very fundamental to our ancestors

00:56:15.840 way of beating or way of being and they're

00:56:19.920 you have to remember that most of the setting of this isn't you know in a city these are halls

00:56:31.800 spread out over farmsteads over distances that you know if you came to somebody's hall you were

00:56:38.120 traveling often in you know unpleasant weather and condition and you know hey sit down have a drink

00:56:46.280 relax clean yourself up offering them something to uh you know wipe the road dust off their face

00:56:53.640 and off their hands hospitality was wasn't expected even you know certainly to one of

00:57:02.120 your friends but to the to the random stranger that that would come by and so this is we see

00:57:09.960 that in the backdrop of this but that was very much expected and it would be to your shame if

00:57:16.120 you were thought um miserly and inhospitable to to guess i was just quickly trying to look

00:57:30.920 look, I'm saying, of course, I'd drop a bunch of books. I'm making noise. Sorry about that.

00:57:40.160 Let's see. So then, you know, from stanza 10, Odin speaks back. If a poor man reaches the home

00:57:50.340 of the rich, let him wisely speak or be still. For him who speaks with the heart of heart,

00:57:57.480 Will chattering ever work ill?

00:58:03.000 And there's a couple parts to that that are worth looking at.

00:58:12.220 You know, the idea of a traveler or someone being in deficit to the person, the hall that he's showing up at.

00:58:23.520 and that's where you know if a poor man reaches the home of the rich um is if he comes to someone

00:58:30.360 with bounty and he is at a deficit by travel um it doesn't necessarily mean by economic class

00:58:38.600 and i think some people might want to hone in on that for certain reasons um but still it kind of

00:58:45.100 goes in in it shows spectrum or hierarchy in you know the culture then but it's saying you know

00:58:52.660 that if a person is powerful, if a person has lands, if a person has influence, um, it is best

00:59:00.140 that you, you speak wisely and, or, or don't speak at all and just be grateful for what you receive.

00:59:06.620 Um, because, you know, offending or you never knowing who you, and again, we covered this

00:59:12.680 greatly in the album, um, it's important. So I think that the, one of the biggest things that's

00:59:19.980 worth uh contexting there is um the man who has much versus the man who is at a deficit by me

00:59:31.500 by the nature of his of his situation should always either speak wisely and tactfully

00:59:37.900 or just be still and be thankful for what you receive because you don't know to what level

00:59:43.340 you might be weaving yourself into things and at the time um and i you know the heart of heart

00:59:52.140 part was the one i was really i wanted to just like suddenly look up um

00:59:58.140 because i think it would be more befitting to say hard tongue um or harsh worded um

01:00:09.260 um will eventually weave his own doom is in essence what that last part of the stanza

01:00:16.220 is saying is someone someone who who uh lacks the ability and the tactfulness and will speak

01:00:21.740 with a hard tongue uh will end up you know getting their just desserts if they aren't careful

01:00:30.860 the same again with like the stanza saying you know that the 0.96

01:00:33.740 chattering tongue will often weave its own undoing so 0.99

01:00:39.260 um another another uh kind of tidbit of wisdom and I think that the the reference to the poor 1.00

01:00:48.080 and the rich isn't just economically speaking it's

01:00:59.120 poor and rich in in value in hymenia in ability if you go someplace and you start

01:01:09.080 strutting your stuff and you don't and you don't have it you're in the company of those that do

01:01:16.840 it's not going to work out well for you it's kind of a condescending advice to the traveler like hey

01:01:24.280 you know you don't know where you are i am i am the wisest of giants you're going to come to my

01:01:30.120 hall and you know test me on wisdom you know you better bring it and that's kind of the you know

01:01:35.960 the advice there like hey don't don't come in the presence of your betters and start

01:01:41.720 throwing down challenges or you may you know end up the worst for it

01:01:49.080 yeah and i i and i don't know if we've touched on this enough but at this point

01:01:56.920 you know he's going by an alias and he's in disguise he hasn't made known who he is

01:02:02.600 as far as the giant knows hey this is just you know this is just some guy and you know who is

01:02:10.140 this who's this guy coming in my hall and challenging me um and it's very much intentional

01:02:14.960 on the all-fathers part to keep himself um under disguise at this point yeah and i think this this

01:02:25.540 stanza in and of itself is, again, relating to a kind of a bringing down of the hostilities of

01:02:33.340 the stanzas before, where it's like, now that Fafrutner has said, you know, why are you standing

01:02:39.700 there? Take a seat. Let us find out. And then this kind of becomes his way of saying, oh, well,

01:02:45.640 it is true that if, you know, a man who's in deficit of the road comes into another man's

01:02:51.680 he should speak wisely and not do his you know weave his own fate into the in into ill um

01:03:02.000 and so this is kind of a a bringing down of the kind of flaring up in the stanzas before

01:03:08.720 a relenting if you will on both sides okay let's see how this goes kind of

01:03:12.880 and i believe we moved to um uh stanza 11.

01:03:29.520 sorry i got an interloper has come in briefly

01:03:37.360 all right you want to say hi to everybody real quick and then you got to go back up to bed okay

01:03:40.960 hi no you gotta say hi hi hi hi all right go ahead go back upstairs

01:03:53.600 no no no come on you gotta go to bed

01:03:58.720 mommy said that i have to wait in the sissy's room okay yeah and this is going to bed yeah that

01:04:07.360 means you gotta go to bed okay all right so we're we're having sleeping difficulties if you will um

01:04:17.040 let's see here on on stanza 11.

01:04:22.000 father says speak forth now gain wrath if there from the floor thou wouldst thy wisdom make be

01:04:30.960 make known what name has the steed that each morn anew the day of mankind doth draw

01:04:44.080 and odin speaks in return scheme foxy is he the steed who for men the glittering day doth draw

01:04:53.680 and best of horses to heroes he seems and brightly his mane doth burn

01:04:58.720 So in these first, the 11 and 12, Fafirunar is asking the name of the steed of day or the steed of daylight, of the heavenly wardens, the coming of the light in association with time itself.

01:05:16.980 not perhaps say warmth or the scanning of light but also again the rotation of the sky or the

01:05:24.900 rotation of the earth as we move around the steed the vehicle in which that movement is responsible

01:05:31.280 for um these skin foxy which means shining hair um or shining mane and uh it is written by the

01:05:42.860 um heavenly warden day for day dog is after now it's it's spelled d-a-g-r but it's day because

01:05:52.740 remember that g is kind of soft g-y sound and then once you say it like that it makes sense it's

01:06:00.260 day day um and he speaks poetically about you know the uh the the light of his main burning

01:06:10.140 bright.

01:06:20.640 So then we have

01:06:22.020 again, another

01:06:25.360 positioning of questioning.

01:06:29.580 Vafrudnir spoke.

01:06:31.500 Speak forth now,

01:06:32.880 Gengreth, if there

01:06:34.740 from the floor thou wouldst thy wisdom

01:06:36.660 make known.

01:06:37.340 what name has the steed from the east anew and brings the night for the noble gods

01:06:45.000 so again we're establishing the rotation of the earth we are we're talking about the turners and

01:06:54.220 the two heavenly wardens now bringing on into the next one which is uh about to be you know

01:07:00.260 brought up but it's brought up by the vehicle which i find very interesting and another part

01:07:05.240 this is i don't know if lord odin has taken the seat as the reference is always being said

01:07:15.080 you know from the floor but again this may be an idea that lord odin has taken a seat

01:07:21.560 but that uh vathrudnir is on a ds or on a raised platform if you will and um

01:07:29.000 And he's asking, you know, from the east, which horse brings the knight? And this is, of course, the second heavenly warden. And Odin speaks, he says,

01:07:42.320 Hrimfaxi, name they the steed that anew brings night for the noble gods. Each morning foam from

01:07:50.940 its bit there falls and there thence comes the dew in the dales. So one of the big things that's

01:07:57.680 set up here is we're talking about the passing of day heaven to night heaven. And it's worth

01:08:06.960 noting again that our ancestors saw the gods as living in the heavenly place, which would be

01:08:14.900 center and above the middle guard. And so the turning of the day, the turning of the night

01:08:22.420 is brought to them as well. It's like imagining the upper realm being in the center of the place

01:08:32.520 unknown the midgard center and there on heaven's mountains in the mountains is ausgarth and there

01:08:41.400 the tree is the center and its roots dip down through heaven's mountains and into the realms

01:08:48.280 beyond all knowing and so that is why you will often see when they speak of the rotations of

01:08:54.820 the sun and the moon and the sky day and night it is brought to the gods as to the elves as to men

01:09:01.780 um because that was the way of seeing even though the the the seeing of it still stands the gods are

01:09:10.700 in the center and above it is not as a literal sense that you know and in the the scanning

01:09:18.280 clouds underneath heaven is where the leo so far live um and that can be again like an ethereal

01:09:25.140 sense between the two worlds um but that is why you'll often see these announcements being said

01:09:31.620 that the sun and the moon are both experienced by the gods.

01:09:36.580 If anybody has any questions of that.

01:09:39.580 I do have to take a break one moment if I could.

01:09:44.740 I actually have a moment behind me making a great amount of noise

01:09:48.300 and I need to get him upstairs.

01:09:50.000 All right.

01:09:50.900 Destroy something behind me. 0.94

01:09:52.820 Get him to sleep.

01:09:54.180 I'll be right back.

01:09:55.600 All right.

01:09:56.020 so while we're taking a putting the children to bed break

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01:12:56.580 um yeah i think that's what i got for right now looks like swan has returned to us i've

01:13:08.100 effectively um tamed i was hearing stuff behind me and he had opened up a giant

01:13:19.460 and she was spinning it around behind me i just i didn't know how long that was going to go on for

01:13:25.060 so i was like i gotta i gotta nip that right away it's festive aubrey had me eating imaginary food

01:13:30.980 when we started this i thought there'd be more of that well and i really wanted to bring up a point

01:13:37.620 that i think certain certain people i've heard of older um uh like nordic um scholars try to

01:13:48.100 conceptualize and you'll see it a lot in in relation to Yggdrasil in artwork you'll see

01:13:54.820 Yggdrasil kind of portrayed in a lot of different ways uh generally I think that it's not discussed

01:14:02.740 enough about the way that our ancestors conceptualized that which is um you know

01:14:09.780 seeing um some people kind of try to analogate Yggdrasil to kind of almost like a it reminds

01:14:17.860 me of um what is that it's uh jewish religion um kabbalah it where they have these kind of like

01:14:28.900 a central access with these kind of uh worlds kind of uh bearing out of it and i've seen some

01:14:34.420 of that in earlier uh also true um conceptualizations um the idea or or the other one is uh this is a

01:14:43.700 newer one that's kind of coming about and it really just boggles my mind um that there would

01:14:49.140 be this kind of a testament of moving things um and completely going away from arian mythos

01:14:56.260 uh where you know in essence the three roots that are spoken of and being the three different

01:15:01.220 levels of of the cosmos are actually all in the lower level and that the middle world is kind of

01:15:07.220 like a glob in the middle of a stick kind of like a marshmallow on a stick and the gods are on the

01:15:12.340 the top of the stick and the roots are at the bottom of the stick and all the mentions of them

01:15:16.180 being in these different levels are wrong that's kind of crazy to me as well um but it's worth

01:15:22.120 remembering that our ancestors saw that the that muspel and nivel are two component polarized

01:15:30.180 forces and that which is in the middle where we stand is the middle guard and that which is below

01:15:38.660 it is niederweller where the svart alvar live that nethered place and then even lower still

01:15:44.820 is the place away from the gods away from time and the order of time which is again hell guard

01:15:50.580 and that place is still connected to niederweller i mean uh to uh niflheim muspelheim is too far

01:15:56.740 away it's too hot it's too you know it's it's not a a place that can be kind of encapsulated

01:16:02.740 um it is better that things that survive are closer to niflhan because of how and how terrible

01:16:09.220 and um so they're you know they they kind of gloss over the idea of hymen bjork the the heavenly

01:16:16.660 mountains and um it's perfectly kind of accessible in the idea of the greco-roman mount olympus um

01:16:25.300 but then again this is clearly an arian conceptualization of the central place the high

01:16:31.220 place or the central place sometimes often both um and wherever the the gods are and the people

01:16:38.980 closest to that central place is is of of height and that would be kind of the greco-roman view of

01:16:44.980 it whereas i think that our ancestors saw the gods as being in that central place and that central

01:16:50.020 place was not always fully known um but that it rested upon the heavenly mountains and in the

01:16:59.060 heavenly mountains there is ausgarther and ausgarther is a place within the heaven the heavenly

01:17:07.460 place and there at the center of the heavenly place is the tree and those roots go out and down

01:17:12.980 and and is the center access point of everything but it is not quite literally like a marshmallow

01:17:20.340 on a stick and and that it's based in you know in the nether and there's like the gods on top like

01:17:27.460 um i feel like there's a lot of conceptualizations that you might see if you go looking for artwork

01:17:32.660 in relation to igrasil and you'll see the worlds in the center and uh some of the worlds in the

01:17:38.420 roots and some of the worlds in the branches and again none of these are particularly wrong per se

01:17:43.620 they're just i think that they're kind of they do have a tendency to change the trajectory

01:17:49.780 of where i think our ancestors conceptualized because no matter where they were at they always

01:17:55.780 felt that the gods were in the central place and above them and that has great significance to the

01:18:03.540 spiritual concepts of our gods and that we saw our ancestors as going down into a place away

01:18:11.300 from the shape from the shadow or the shaping of sorry into the shadow and the shaping of time

01:18:16.740 and that wasn't seen as a christian sense of like bad or good but it was part of the cycle

01:18:24.340 and that tree in the center of everything in the center of heaven is the linchpin it's the it's the

01:18:31.380 the capstone upon the arch of everything that that the cosmos is is is uh built upon a balanced upon

01:18:39.300 so when we hear this and you hear it also in alvis mall and you hear it in grimness mall where they

01:18:45.780 speak of the sun rising and that the sun is called many different names amongst the gods the elves

01:18:51.460 the men the the dvergar or svartof are and and of the dead um and this of course is giving the poet

01:19:00.660 lots of ammunition to kind of create a mood um in their poetry but it it also correlates to

01:19:09.540 the idea that we are all in essence especially to our ancestors that the the uh the physicality

01:19:17.780 of us being greatly connected and even though we could say to ourselves now you know with our

01:19:24.180 understanding of science i still believe that the gods are in the center and above that hasn't

01:19:30.500 changed it's just it is different it is a spiritual sense now than less so much a physical sense

01:19:39.220 because our mythos and our stories have again those meanings drawn in them they were not

01:19:48.420 literal or they they they were not especially after they're compounded together um in the 10th

01:19:55.300 century to the 12th century by snorri there's issues there are problems with them there are

01:20:00.900 you know mistakes there are fragments and there are things that we are working through they are

01:20:04.820 not whole and and we try to work towards them to make them whole but they're not whole in a

01:20:11.380 linguistic or scholarly sense the spiritual sense i think is still quite very whole

01:20:17.140 seeing the gods as in the center place and above doesn't change so many of these things

01:20:23.380 are

01:20:27.000 we are spatial beings that exist in space and time.

01:20:37.960 There are certain orientations that

01:20:40.440 our body naturally has associations with

01:20:44.780 that make sense.

01:20:47.540 It doesn't matter whether the gods literally exist

01:20:52.120 in the center and above conceiving of the gods in the center that our world revolves around

01:21:00.480 but them being central to our life central to our world central to existence and up looking up

01:21:10.020 literally we look up to our gods um being upwardly oriented projects towards the future

01:21:20.180 towards the stars towards the unreachable towards you know that is growth and moving forward

01:21:28.920 regression is moving down and below things that are hidden have other connotations to them it's

01:21:37.520 not always a good or a bad thing but it's certainly a a cosmic aspirational and future

01:21:46.460 orientation looking upward and directing things upward and when you retreat within yourself for

01:21:54.220 for good reason sometimes that's fine when you hearken back to the past when you 0.92

01:22:01.020 go to things that are lower and more primal and more um rooted in in the past in the chthonic

01:22:10.680 That's fine too, but that being directed as underneath and below and lower, directionality matters to how we conceive of ourselves in relation to the world around us. 0.83

01:22:25.060 The idea of a sacred center and the idea of the axis mundi is fundamental to all Aryan thought.

01:22:35.600 the idea that our gods are above are up high you you know you have to ascend through

01:22:43.520 you know the rainbow bridge or climbing olympus or doing some reaching up and climbing upward

01:22:51.680 into the clouds as far as we could conceive you go upward to reach our gods affects how we see them

01:23:00.960 and how we orient

01:23:02.240 how we orient ourselves

01:23:06.400 it restresses hierarchy

01:23:09.200 our gods are literally above us

01:23:11.280 we are literally below them

01:23:13.000 just the whole concept

01:23:15.200 I mentioned a second ago

01:23:16.520 ascension

01:23:17.240 the idea of becoming more

01:23:19.420 is to ascend

01:23:20.780 to go upwards

01:23:22.020 descent is always something

01:23:25.200 into a lower level of existence

01:23:30.100 So those orientations affect us fundamentally whether we realize it or not in what we do and how we carry ourselves and how we conceive of our place in the world and the place of our gods.

01:23:47.220 But let's get back to the poem.

01:23:50.240 Yeah, that was a bit of a soapbox on that one.

01:23:54.360 That's fine.

01:23:54.980 Well, so that's the thing.

01:23:56.780 the lore is going to bring out interesting and hopefully um

01:24:05.740 useful uh and spiritually beneficial things as they come to light and that's why i appreciate

01:24:12.140 this opportunity and kind of going through this with spawn is it it causes us to see

01:24:20.780 different things in different ways or to draw important things out of the lore to share with

01:24:27.260 you guys and uh i know sometimes we meander away from the story a little bit but i hope it uh

01:24:33.660 kind of enriches how how you guys see some things and you're also true practice

01:24:40.060 yeah and it's it's also worth noting to the the roots the root that is in heaven and the

01:24:46.220 realm below it the middle world so again that's why i often talk about the gods as being the apex

01:24:52.140 of time and that which is brought into the middle world and it does flow to another route the well

01:24:59.500 of memory all things that interact in the center flow there and they in turn fall into the lower

01:25:05.980 realm but that that root draws up that root draws up much of what of that which has happened that

01:25:12.860 which is past the eye of lord odin resides there and then even more still the the lowest well still

01:25:20.940 it it levels off into the alvegar the the 11 rivers of nivolheim but there is a root and that

01:25:27.900 root draws up and there is a reason why nidaga is trying to sever that root um and so that yeah this

01:25:35.900 this this placement and understanding helps people kind of again understand what you as you said the

01:25:41.580 movement placement matters the upper the middle the lower it all

01:25:46.780 really matters and it shows over and over and over again in arian mythos

01:25:54.300 um let's see so we were uh 14 or 15.

01:26:01.020 i think we said 0.97

01:26:01.820 um let's see okay okay va through there speaks 15. speak forth now gain wrath if there from the floor

01:26:20.540 thou wouldst thy wisdom make known what name has the river that twixt the realms of the gods and

01:26:29.500 the giants go. So again, when we're speaking about cosmology and we're speaking about rivers,

01:26:38.780 there are rivers above, rivers in the middle, and there's rivers below. And it was kind of seen as

01:26:46.860 the rivers were crossing points between two convergent planes. And those that those rivers

01:26:58.040 are, you know, again, liminal spaces, but they're not always, we know that there are

01:27:06.280 11 rivers in Nivelheim, and not every river is a convergent space to another plane. They're

01:27:13.660 seen as channels, if you will, or liminal spaces, but within the realm. And so we know

01:27:19.300 that the middle realm holds its rivers, and that the upper realm owns its rivers. And

01:27:26.480 they're spoken of quite often a lot of people try to correlate them to be just in the lower realm

01:27:32.880 or they'll just say like oh it's a sacred river that's kind of the um the translation they have

01:27:38.800 for it but that's not the case because the word itself and where it's placed is also

01:27:45.280 i think significant and this one does really kind of lend to uh clearly another story and

01:27:53.120 we'll kind of i'll make reference to it here um the uh the the iving river so um and again we

01:28:04.480 we kind of lend this to another story in which lord ovin challenges his son in disguise um

01:28:13.920 and i think this is of course reminiscent of another slavic tale between um perun and valise

01:28:20.000 but those are just you know again theories kind of throwing out um so ovin ovin speaks

01:28:30.000 um and he says in 16 iving is the river that twixt the realms of the gods and the giants goes

01:28:41.280 for all time ever open it flows no ice on the river there is so it is often referenced that

01:28:53.040 thor when he leaves ausgarther and enters into the heavenly proper he cannot take the

01:29:00.560 rainbow bridge down to the tree he has to uh cross over two rivers in specifics the cooling

01:29:08.480 one and the serpentine one kormt and ormt and he walks around the the walls of asgard to get to

01:29:15.440 the seats of of doom um but there is again oftentimes a great mentioning of the rivers

01:29:22.400 that lie in between the gods and the jotnar and even is one of these rivers the wide river and i

01:29:30.880 i i um kind of you know there this is mentioned as when thor crosses over into jotunheim or when

01:29:42.560 thor is trying to cross over from jotunheim into ausgard or into heaven proper i should say um

01:29:49.360 there is the mentioning of crossing a river and again these are liminal spaces between

01:29:54.000 uh convergent planes um spiritual transitions and this still holds today uh in many traditions

01:30:02.960 whether it's our our um our gallic cousins um or whether it's our um even slavic cousins uh the

01:30:13.300 idea of crossing over a river before entering into a sacred space or a sacred grove has a great you

01:30:20.660 know, spiritual significant meaning. Um, and again, that just means that you're entering or

01:30:25.060 leaving behind one mundane for, for the other, for, for, for the spiritual better, if you will.

01:30:38.220 Uh, so this is number 16 and, um,

01:30:43.400 speaks in 17 he says speak forth now gengrath if there from the floor thou wouldst thy wisdom

01:30:55.540 make known what name has the field wherein fight shall meet cert and the gracious gods

01:31:04.080 I love the word Svausur, the beautiful, the pleasant, the gracious gods.

01:31:19.640 Of course, they're speaking, he's saying, where is the final battle going to be laid amongst your kind and the gods?

01:31:34.080 Um, so, and he specifically mentions, of course, this, sorry, this is one, er finna skvige at Suttr. Suttr is the key component there to lay towards the, the final battle. 0.73

01:31:53.400 um odin speaks the grid the grither or the grither if you were to um you know put it together

01:32:08.540 is the field wherein fight shall meet cert and the gracious gods a hundred miles each

01:32:15.960 way does it measure and so are its boundaries set um i've seen people speculate about numerological

01:32:27.560 um things i don't know how much that has value i have pondered it myself i i wonder if it was more

01:32:35.640 or less an idea to give a sense of greatness. You know, we could say, you know, like a million

01:32:50.280 miles or what have you. And I think that the idea of this being the literal, but the word

01:32:59.920 hundredth is there it's it is certainly a hundred um but it's you know it's translated to miles but

01:33:07.680 again we could try to be like biblical scholars and say well you know what is a rasta to a

01:33:12.960 a mile in relation to and and so on and so forth and i don't think that is the intent of the story

01:33:19.840 i think the intent of the story is to make the the audience go wow that's like it's really big

01:33:25.840 it's really big in every direction um but i have seen people really really just grind that nail tip

01:33:32.640 on you know the mysteries of that and and you know perhaps there is something that can be found in

01:33:38.560 there but me personally i i kind of just didn't want to take away from the mythos of it um but

01:33:47.040 i'm always open so if anybody has any you know furtherance on that i i do love to hear um any

01:33:53.840 you know wisdom gleaning in that that relation um so the the questions um have been asked and then

01:34:06.720 gives a relent of wow i do have you know i picked i i picked some obscure uh basically well and i've

01:34:15.200 always taken this as as you know four points if you will he takes four points of heaven and four

01:34:22.560 points of of the middle world or or four points of the cosmos and he does two in the heavenly sense

01:34:31.040 and two in the lower or chthonic sense where he does you know horses of the day horses of the night

01:34:37.440 or the heavenly turnings and then um you know the the field of battle and uh the um

01:34:45.840 rivers of Jotunheim and Midgar. So now it begins to turn. And Vathrudner says,

01:34:55.120 Wise art thou, guest? To my bench shall you go. In our seats let us speak together. Here in the

01:35:03.160 hall, our heads, O guest, shall we wager our wisdom upon. Okay, so this clearly answers

01:35:10.860 a couple of things one this is the story where the head is wagered as i've mentioned before

01:35:16.940 to the the stories as we go through them like again we don't really prep for these

01:35:23.860 episodes we go through them raw and um you will see this trope utilized in other stories

01:35:32.160 again it's not it is like uh when when loki wagers his head against the dvergar so this is again

01:35:40.640 another common essence and and uh usage but it is placed elsewhere in other stories and i i remember

01:35:50.720 it kind of being spread from one particular story and that is this one so that answers that um

01:35:59.440 and again it also answers another question is because the speaking from the floor versus

01:36:04.480 speaking from the from the seats now there is a moment where things get close where it's like okay

01:36:10.000 you've proven your worth now we're going to sit face to face we're going to sit close

01:36:14.960 but we're going to make these we're going to up the ante on these bets

01:36:21.200 so um

01:36:26.240 let's see here oh and i wanted to uh speak a little bit too on evening evening the river i have always

01:36:34.880 kind of placed as one of the central rivers of the middle world even though it's in jotunheim

01:36:42.000 um it is still you know again that the the place of you know matter and resistance and

01:36:51.200 the things that flow in the center and i think one day we'll be able to like

01:36:55.520 go over the rivers of heaven and the rivers of the middle world rivers of the lower world but um

01:37:04.880 let's see on uh stanza 20.

01:37:11.040 so odin then speaks first answer me well if thy wisdom avails

01:37:17.520 and thou knowest fa through there now in the earliest times

01:37:22.960 whence came the earth or the sky thou giant sage

01:37:30.880 And if you look over in the Old Norse, you can see here they use the lowercase version of the earth is, of course, yarth.

01:37:40.660 It's where we, J-O-R-E-V.

01:37:44.860 It's where we get, survives in English, the word yard.

01:37:49.420 But you always see it as lowercase when they're just speaking of the earth in general, not the spirit of the earth.

01:37:56.300 It's kind of like saying land.

01:37:58.040 um but also in the next line it says up hymen and this is another point that i wanted to bring up

01:38:06.180 was that hymen means heaven it doesn't say sky he says heaven the upper heavens and um so a lot

01:38:15.680 of people that not too many people but just to let them know like when we say the word heaven

01:38:21.000 And stealing that word, Christianity, that is clearly a Germanic word that was taken in translation, the upper heavens.

01:38:32.720 And again, it survives in Himenbjork, and it's just Anglo-Saxon was hei ovum, or heaven.

01:38:42.580 So he asks, you know, whence comes the earth and the sky?

01:38:51.000 and

01:38:54.240 he speaks

01:38:55.980 he knows 0.98

01:38:56.740 out of Ymir's flesh 0.67

01:38:59.800 was fashioned the earth and the mountains 1.00

01:39:01.880 were made of his bones

01:39:03.140 the sky from the frost

01:39:05.520 cold giant skull

01:39:07.120 and the ocean out of his blood

01:39:09.740 this is

01:39:20.360 Of course, lending back to the story of Lord Odin, Vili, and Vey coming down and initiating the process of Orlog and Weird for all the gods and even before mankind and all things that begin to rotate.

01:39:43.120 This is the part where the synchronization of all circles come into alignment.

01:39:50.360 and start to, again, move each other, much like a, like a clock. And, um, you know, he makes

01:39:56.900 mention of this, and you will see this again, because Snorri is really trying to give the

01:40:03.440 Scalds, uh, uh, references and leanings towards Haiti and Kennings in, um, the prose Edas, where

01:40:12.540 he will then discuss more. And even in some of the modern, like some of the modern poetry that

01:40:17.880 i've done i would you know i would make relent the idea that that um you know the that emir's thoughts

01:40:26.360 you know burned coldly in the sky or gathered in in frustration and that's really uh you know

01:40:33.960 the the clouds um so we find this this uh the the haiti here and and you know the giant skull

01:40:42.840 emir skull is the hall of deling good um and you know many people could think of it as you know

01:40:48.600 the atmosphere if you will but it is the um the encapsulation of the middle world and all that is

01:40:55.960 in in mass for us um

01:41:02.040 So here we have in 22, Odin speaks, next answer me well if thy wisdom avails, and thou knowest

01:41:15.700 Fathrudnir now, whence came the moon over the world of men that fares in the flaming sun?

01:41:22.840 so um

01:41:27.200 this uh i was looking at some of the translations here and um i do find you know again uh mauni

01:41:38.520 and and soul and a lot of people in modern astro say suna uh it is worth remembering too that the

01:41:45.980 the more common usage of the later nordic period was sold um uh which kind of affixed to other

01:41:54.300 languages in the baltic uh area as well if you're talking about like with the latvians they they say

01:42:00.140 um and it would be more akin to that tuna again um being a kind of like a hybridization

01:42:07.820 of Central Germanic and Nordic as well.

01:42:14.620 So, Fafrudner speaks and says,

01:42:19.380 Mundulferi, the twisting traveler is he

01:42:22.860 who begat the moon and fathered the flaming sun.

01:42:27.040 The round of heaven each day they run

01:42:29.380 to tell the time for men.

01:42:33.840 So, there's been, you know,

01:42:37.820 a great amount of speculation as to the origins of Mundulferi, the origins of the story in which

01:42:47.080 are the sun and the moon seen as mortals that are brought up from the world, or that are they

01:42:55.660 begat from the divine, or again, with Mundulferi, and you'll find it in, with a lot of people that 0.51

01:43:04.060 translate the Adas, they'll just slap Jotun on it right away. And we can't entirely say

01:43:13.500 that that is the case, but that the one, the twisting, the centered one, the one that holds

01:43:21.080 the turning place, he begets the sun and the moon. And

01:43:29.760 um they are given to round each day to tell the time for men and we speak of that with right

01:43:36.800 right though the the rune we we speak that with um with the idea of the ordering of all

01:43:42.960 our times and when we speak of uh calendar sense i think it's worth noting that again certain of

01:43:48.960 our people held to the lunar calendars certain of our people actually lent to a solar lunar calendar

01:43:55.920 um and that it wasn't entirely what's going on buddy you're up super super late

01:44:18.320 okay so go ahead and sleep there

01:44:25.920 okay i will try to go as swiftly as possible

01:44:31.200 we are uh trying to get my son to shift out of uh i don't know if uh you know people with uh

01:44:39.040 co-sleeping but um we have co-slept with all of our children up until about three and uh we have

01:44:45.920 a very large bed um we are not big people so there's not a smothering issue and we both sleep

01:44:52.480 like we are in coffins i sleep kind of from the military just folded up and angled on my side and

01:44:59.440 i don't really move that much so um had the the joy of having the baby with us but um i know that's

01:45:07.600 not for everyone not everybody can do that but one thing is it definitely the transition into their

01:45:13.520 own bed yeah it wasn't difficult for the other two but my third has become a challenge random

01:45:21.920 parenting note on that i do not sleep like a coffin um i enlarge and i flail right

01:45:30.160 i need to occupy maximal space in my flailing um much like the uh the haggalas rune

01:45:41.360 i take a haggalas posture in the bed um

01:45:45.200 um and so the cats have figured out not to be too close less bad things befall them uh Mandy's

01:45:56.420 gotten whacked a few times because I flop around so that was never a never thing with Aubrey but

01:46:02.480 I'll say this she was awesome really young we put her in her own crib and then relatively short you 0.68

01:46:12.140 mandy'd probably tell you a little bit better about how fast it was until we put her in her

01:46:17.720 own like big girl bed in there but she's been great about sleeping on her own we're really

01:46:21.960 fortunate with that i know a lot of parents that's that's a challenge a lot of kids are

01:46:26.700 different that way we're really lucky with uh with aubrey that way um so sorry i'm back

01:46:36.040 Oh no, I thought you were, again, trying to cross that ice.

01:46:44.040 So, as we move into

01:46:49.400 stanza 24.

01:46:54.660 Othyn spake,

01:46:56.700 Third, answer me well, if wise thou art called.

01:47:00.060 If thou knowest it, far through there now,

01:47:02.660 Now, whence came the day over mankind that fares, or night with the narrowing moon?

01:47:14.020 Here he's speaking about the totality of the heavenly wardens.

01:47:18.380 And I think it's more often than not a not understanding in Ausatruin to speak of the heavenly wardens with in relation to, say, for instance, Dellingud.

01:47:35.300 And some people have referred to Dellingud as an Alvar.

01:47:38.360 Some people have referred to Dellingud as an Aus.

01:47:41.140 And I think that the confusion there is, you know, valid because we don't have much, but I have always kind of accounted them to the realm, the keeper of the sanctity of around the middle world or the atmosphere, the spheric shape of the hall.

01:48:07.680 the hall and the scholar are one in the same and delinger's hall is um there um

01:48:15.680 and kind of becomes the source of day and night and sun and moon but i think it's also worth

01:48:23.040 noting that the sun and the moon were kind of seen as outside of the hall because of their

01:48:28.880 differentiation to what was happening closer if you will i think that's an interesting thing

01:48:35.920 especially in relation to the revolutions of the earth the revolutions of the sun and the moon

01:48:42.560 having only one horse and it's the only one that doesn't rotate um or has its own axis so i think

01:48:49.440 that's that's interesting um so let's see we are he says um

01:48:59.600 um fastrudner speaks in in stanza 25 the father of day is delinger called and the night was begotten

01:49:11.720 by nor full moon and old by the gods were fashioned to tell the time for men um

01:49:22.340 And this, again, lays a point on Nott, the goddess of night, the heavenly warden of night, or the rotation of the earth in, again, all that process being one in a kind of calculated timing of things. 0.99

01:49:45.620 Naught is born of Narvi. And there's very little mention outside of that. But that in the olden days, the gods set forth the sky, the sun, and the moon in their place to regulate or to set up the convictions of time. 0.94

01:50:08.680 And that's why, again, I always bring up the gods as being the apex and deliverers of time, and that the rotations of all things correspond to that ordering.

01:50:20.840 And another reason why I'm also a kind of big proponent of if you're talking about calendar work, you know, utilizing a solar lunar calendar versus strictly a lunar calendar is because of, you know, these stanzas here.

01:50:35.840 um speaking about both of them as being you know markers of time and i see people argue like no

01:50:43.040 we should only use a lunar calendar because the anglo-saxons were marked as being um you know in

01:50:49.380 this sense with the lunar calendar and i i think that that's that was probably correct for them

01:50:55.520 at their time but not throughout and we see it later on in runic calendars where

01:51:01.240 The solar-lunar combination was clearly used to create a more diligent timekeeping system.

01:51:18.240 So, let's see. Oh, another thing worth kind of bringing up, too, is the

01:51:24.240 the correlation between delinger or the word dell and heim dollar and the idea of the flame

01:51:33.140 or the spring of light or the source of light um as kind of a correlation to those that's why

01:51:40.880 when we were speaking about lord heim dollar as being the dale or the place of home versus

01:51:47.780 the flame or the light of home comes from this the the heavenly warden delinger

01:51:53.120 and he is day's father

01:51:56.940 so uh we are moving into uh 26

01:52:10.420 uh

01:52:14.060 Odin spake, 26, forth answer me well, if wise thou art called, if thou knowest,

01:52:25.560 Thathrudnir now, whence did the winter come, or the summer warm, first with the gracious gods?

01:52:32.180 so

01:52:35.660 this again too i think lays um

01:52:40.980 some interesting points about father winter or why that the father winter uh nomenclature has

01:52:51.580 persisted and another of course too is locality and geography that we have here um in 27

01:53:01.080 So the question as to whether or not Vinsvalr and Svausudr were of Jotnar or Alvar is not, you know, fully specified.

01:53:28.500 it's just speculated that they they were of emir's kin so we know that the begetting of

01:53:37.360 emir created many many powers we know that from emir's slaying we have the jotnar of the middle

01:53:46.200 the the thurser and the risi and then we also have the wains or the vanir and we have the alvar and

01:53:53.680 have the dvergar and so the the four parts becoming out of the center and of course i think generally

01:54:02.720 during this time anything that is not the icier will be labeled as as jotun but i think that we

01:54:13.120 see these kind of glimpses towards the idea that there may be other parts that are kind of being

01:54:18.560 lent to, especially again, like I said, with the Dvergar, the Svartafar, the Alvar, the Vanir,

01:54:24.620 and the Jotun's kind of being the four fractures of the center.

01:54:34.060 So in 28, Odin speaks, fifth, answer me well, if wise thou art called, if thou knowest it,

01:54:42.260 Fathrudnir now, what giant first was fashioned of old and the eldest of Ymir's kin?

01:54:53.200 And he answers in retort. And this again is lending towards more mentionings of

01:55:01.080 the slaying of Ymir and

01:55:04.860 the descendancy coming from one in particular and this is mentioned elsewhere as well and so

01:55:14.620 sometimes the yotin of the middle are referred to as his kin uh father father there spoke

01:55:23.060 winters unmeasured air earth was made was the birth of bear yelmer through the elevator sun

01:55:30.980 was the giant strong and our yelmer's grandson of old so it's worth noting here that our yelmer

01:55:39.640 is emir it's another name for emir and it was from from him through yelmer was born

01:55:50.720 but it was bear gelmer who survived the deluge if you will the the slaying of his grandfather

01:55:59.140 um and so we see this kind of descendancy here again with the point of teaching the poet to

01:56:07.280 remember these things that emir is our yelmer our yelmer has through the element and through

01:56:17.040 the elmer begets bare yelmer again and the uh the translations here of the the the shaping

01:56:26.720 strength or the shaping clay versus the strength uh shaping and then the mountain or solidified so

01:56:35.440 if you look at them our is i've always kind of lent towards the idea about the shaping of clay

01:56:41.760 and the idea that our yelmer and emir is he's in this inconstant state and that there is a movement

01:56:48.880 towards um the creational state or perhaps like three epochs of this in which there's like again

01:56:56.160 not a solidification then there's a movement towards solidification and then berg elmer is

01:57:01.120 solidification by the mountain as its um usage so but it is barry elmer who survives the deluge

01:57:09.520 of the slaying of emir so that that i know has a tendency to to throw a lot of people off

01:57:18.480 when it comes to well who's what what's the answer who's the who's the answer but it's

01:57:23.920 it's again our yelmir is another name for emir um

01:57:39.760 let's see in in uh stanza 30 odin speaks sixth answer me well if wise thou art called

01:57:47.440 if thou knowest now whence did our yelmer come with the giant's kin long since thou giant sage

01:58:04.240 now this is again making mention of the one of the rivers and this river is of course mentioned too

01:58:10.800 during the beginning um when the the flames of muscle started to melt

01:58:18.880 uh niflheim the rivers the spring vergelmer and the rivers that spring from it were created

01:58:27.760 and so rathrudner speaks of his origin

01:58:30.720 down from Elvaugr. Now, Elvaugr are the rivers that flowed. So bear in mind that it's not a

01:58:46.800 singular river, but 11 rivers. Down from Elvaugr did venom drop and waxed till a giant it was,

01:58:56.520 and thence arose our giant race and thus so fierce we are found so this again our yomer is emir and

01:59:06.920 he is brought from the venom and the dripping of the 11 rivers of the nether or the underworld

01:59:15.560 and those 11 rivers are aptly named so they are just horrid and grotesquely named poetically

01:59:23.160 uh you know the river of uh mournful cries you know sleeve is cruel and um

01:59:32.200 is the terrible singer and uh there's like the battle wounds the festering battle wound i mean

01:59:38.120 they're all just deeply uh you know carrying the sense of like their primordialness they're in an

01:59:45.480 inhabitableness of these rivers is overly stated again and again and that's what makes them

01:59:52.600 so venomous and so primordial is because they are not held in the confines of the the ordering of

02:00:00.600 the gods the gods have us have taken the primordial powers and brought them to heal but deep down

02:00:07.400 below there are still the the rivers of of creation that were not brought to heal and uh

02:00:14.840 And that is what Ymir was formed from. That's what Al-Yelmer was formed from. And again, they emphasize this, that's why we're so, you know, so fierce.

02:00:27.740 Um, Othenspeak, 32, seventh, answer me well, if wise thou art called, if thou knowest it,

02:00:41.600 Vathrudner now, how begat he children, the giant Grimm, who never a giantess knew.

02:00:50.120 so uh for those i mean anyone familiar too with the prosators this is again the spawning of the

02:00:59.660 middle jotnar um do not discount them the children of muspel nor the children or the

02:01:08.920 hrimthurser of nivelheim as already being ancient beings that existed but here is the center here

02:01:16.160 is the primordial um beings that are in the middle world and how did they begin how did they come

02:01:25.200 about um and he says you know how did they come about if never a giantess he knew never did he lay

02:01:35.680 uh you know with a uh a female of his kind and father speaks and says they say that

02:01:45.200 neath the arms of the giant of ice grew a man child and made together and foot with foot

02:01:53.040 did the wise one fashion a son that six heads bore

02:01:59.360 so i think again considering the value of words in relation to the audience we we know that

02:02:09.200 this first by him saying you know how did he begat children if you never um you know had that's the

02:02:16.880 female energy uh or the female um place so this immediately becomes abhorrent it's it's outside

02:02:25.680 of the norm it's outside of the orderly way and it's even emphasized more with a son with six 0.93

02:02:31.520 heads again that kind of gasping factor of like ugh you know it just really emphasizes that this

02:02:38.240 is not seen as something normal the um the you know androgynous re uh reprocreation of the self

02:02:47.780 that emir does is not seen as something but it's seen as something primordial and off and and just

02:02:55.060 again producing things of of such a deep fierce chthonic level and i think that our ancestors

02:03:01.980 saw the jotnar as evolutionary beings as well that say for instance like fathrudnir

02:03:08.040 is descended from this but not not as say you know viciously contorted as the predecessors of

02:03:19.220 of his beings and so i think our ancestors saw the yotnar as kind of they were living beings

02:03:25.480 they are living beings that refine themselves as they go but that these were the origins of these

02:03:32.580 and some people have taken this in a lot of different ways i've i've heard people even say

02:03:37.460 and I'm not discounting this at all. It's just interesting to think about is the idea that if

02:03:41.560 Ymir and all Yelmer is the earth, um, that the begatting of, of these beings, the time of the 0.95

02:03:48.680 Yotans is, is the time in which, uh, life is kind of, again, forming, creating on, on the flesh, 0.96

02:03:58.740 coming out of the flesh of him. Um, but it is again, inconstant and in an ever fluctuating state. 0.50

02:04:07.460 And again, lends towards the monstrosity of it all. And I've heard people say like, this is kind of, they akin that to, again, the epochs of time before humanity, where we kind of see the climate of our planet suddenly grip down into a very tight thrum, whereas previously it was, you know, up and down and up and down. And I think that's, again, very, very interesting to think about.

02:04:37.460 Um, you know, we move into, uh, 34 and the eighth question that Odin now gives.

02:04:56.880 And again, there, there's a litany of questions that I believe they end up 14 in total.

02:05:01.140 So I, worth mentioning, and Svon touched on this, but I think it's, a lot of the time, all right, what angle do I want to come at this at?

02:05:24.700 So sick people look for things to justify their sickness, and they, aha, see, you know,

02:05:40.140 they'll find bits of lore that contain

02:05:44.800 illness the grotesque the ugly the unwhole and they'll latch on to those like aha see it was

02:06:01.700 in the lore so it must be good completely negating that no that's the bad guys like

02:06:09.420 just on the most simple level when you look at these things it's very clear when things are done

02:06:20.460 in the right order and the result is beautiful and um obviously beneficial and spoken highly of

02:06:33.740 and praised and celebrated or there's hideous deformed monsters that come about through

02:06:42.540 you know asexual reproduction or there's you know the enemy of the gods who slays 0.69

02:06:51.740 or orchestrates the slaying of balder yeah he changes genders and gets uh mounted by a stallion 0.80

02:07:02.220 whenever you see perversion in our lore it's associated with that's what the bad guys do

02:07:12.700 that's not what the good guys do and the most simple childish level this is not understood

02:07:20.940 by people who don't read our lore honestly and i think that's worth just

02:07:29.820 mentioning digesting having that in your pocket because i see over on the side you know there's

02:07:36.700 a number of people that have um interactions with people claiming to be also true

02:07:45.180 that you know are are far too woke for their own good and

02:07:53.820 these are those bits of lore they pick up on as like strange anomalies

02:08:00.220 the context is everything um when the villains do something that's saying it's bad

02:08:10.060 when the heroes do something that tends to say that it's good those little points are

02:08:17.020 very obvious to anybody who reads through them and actually looks at the story

02:08:21.980 but i don't think the other you know i don't think that the unhealthy amongst us do that i

02:08:31.980 think they look for anything they can latch on to and and that's something to think about

02:08:39.180 yeah and you bring this up too because i can almost hear people trying to counter that well

02:08:44.060 well they use the good things from from the the aberrant they use slept near they use you know

02:08:51.180 gulen bursty they use gongnir they use mjolnir and again i think they're the point

02:08:58.700 too is when we talk about catalystic divine and um or say divine powers utilizing catalystic

02:09:12.860 spiritual beings and i'm speaking in reference to loki that these catalystic events happen

02:09:20.780 and bear forth things that the gods use but they're missing the point that again i think

02:09:25.260 the gods are stating that the continuance of doing this only begets to the end of creating

02:09:32.540 a festering wound and i think that's the point of that they that they completely miss they try to

02:09:40.380 say you know oh he does these things and he's the bad guy but they certainly benefit from his uh

02:09:46.300 So, you know, degeneracy, and it's like, I think you're missing the point of the warning of that, is that if you continue to do that and gain benefit off of this catalystic nature that is against everything you're doing, it eventually breeds, you know, a problem that you're going to have to face in the long run.

02:10:17.260 in 35 fathrudner then returns and he says winters unmeasured

02:10:27.980 air earth was made was the birth of bear yelmer remember bear yelmer is the third of

02:10:37.420 or the the second i should say of descendancy from all yelmer or emir the first knew i well

02:10:44.300 when the giants wise in a boat of old was born and again this is referencing to the um

02:10:55.180 birdie elmer the jotun escaping on a log um

02:11:01.660 you know because they again using the the word boat they don't actually just

02:11:05.900 straight translate that to boat but it's the floating um like losers yeah of

02:11:14.300 I need to look at the meaning of that word before I say that.

02:11:23.340 But I will say this much is that it's not said about.

02:11:27.920 It's that he escapes with his wife, who is unnamed, on a piece of wood that in the deluge.

02:11:37.900 And again, this really holds true to the mythos of the slaying of Ymir. When the slaying of Ymir is conducted, that does not completely cut off anything, but revamps everything down.

02:11:56.460 So the Jotunar are boiled down to the singular. The Vanir are boiled down to the singular, the two. So in essence, the slaying of Ymir brings about the masculine and feminine pairing of the Alvar, the Dvergar, the Vanir, and the Jotunar. 1.00

02:12:15.480 and now they are brought into alignment and they have a masculine and feminine side and 0.56

02:12:22.360 you know whenever you hear that about bergelmer and his wife that's really what that is that

02:12:27.520 the god smote the the incongruency of that and created masculine and feminine all the way around

02:12:37.160 um let's see

02:12:43.000 we're trucking right along um so as we move to 36

02:12:51.140 othen speaks ninth answer me well if wise thou art called if thou knowest it far through the

02:13:01.400 now whence comes the wind that fares over the waves yet never itself is seen

02:13:07.520 uh this is funny you know because me and another gother were speaking about this over at ulster

02:13:14.060 uh go uh go the mayo um uh fine gentleman who knows the stories very very well and so me and him

02:13:21.760 kind of um going back and forth trying to figure out okay wait wait was what was it said in this

02:13:28.500 one what was it said in that one and uh we helped each other out on this one um

02:13:33.880 And Pfafferner speaks in 37, in eagle guise, at the end of heaven, Reisvelk sits, they say, and from his wings doth the wind come forth to move over the world of men.

02:13:55.780 And that's an important detail I really placed in the cosmological picture that I had, you know, set up as part of the artwork is you can look closely over the horizon of Yardr of the Middle Guard.

02:14:14.280 you see uh an eagle with flowing winds blowing from his from his wings and that is raised um

02:14:24.600 the corpse corpse gulper i want to look it up right now but i i'm gonna i think so yes

02:14:37.080 um which is another because again need all go to the the soul of emir that drips down into

02:14:46.120 the nether is like nether corpse consumer so there's a lot of there as well but uh i can't

02:14:54.360 quite and i want to look it up but i want to keep kind of going um so uh he sits and it says here

02:15:02.080 air sitter our humans enda he sits on the edge of heaven

02:15:09.520 jotun in our nerham in uh honor is an is a eagle and hum or hammer is the shape of

02:15:18.720 the spiritual shape he sits he's a jotun who sits in eagle shape um

02:15:25.120 And over all men, the winds come from his wings.

02:15:32.960 Odin speaks in 38.

02:15:35.100 Tenth, answer me now, if thou knowest all the fate that is fixed for the gods.

02:15:40.120 Whence came up Mjörth to the kin of the gods.

02:15:44.960 Rich in temples and shrines he rules, though of gods he was not begot.

02:15:51.720 So a couple things about this.

02:15:53.560 And I've actually Easter egged a little bit of this at Njordshof. In the stories, when I speak about the war between the gods, I talk often about when they first send their emissary, Gulveri, they send her up.

02:16:12.540 and that when she is cast out as he the shining one she falls from heaven and um i i did that

02:16:21.180 because of this stanza in which um you know of of uh lord nyorder coming up to the gods and again

02:16:32.060 the the usage of the word god and ausa or awesome is really important to understand here

02:16:39.100 they're not saying that you know there is some different race they're not like people try to

02:16:44.220 say that with the the vanir and the jotuns and all that it's no it's that he's not an

02:16:49.740 ausa until he joins them and then he becomes an also um the uh

02:16:59.900 you know the the whence came up north to the kin of the gods rich in temples and shrines he rules

02:17:06.220 though of the gods he was not begot so he was again this is showing that strata of

02:17:11.020 natural law and cosmic order between the ausir or the icier and the vanier um and that

02:17:20.060 is speaking again of that alignment um and i mean the directionality here is really important as well

02:17:27.340 So the Aesir, the gods of cosmic order, the gods that are so far above us and that inspire us upwards are juxtaposed with the Vanir that are Chthonic, that are more primal, that are more nature-based and fecundity.

02:17:57.340 You know, primal strength, wisdom of old times, ancient wisdom, old things came up to these gods that are guiding us towards a glorious future and unite with them.

02:18:12.300 So that's really kind of a special point as well.

02:18:15.760 He didn't like go to the gods.

02:18:18.420 He went up to the gods.

02:18:21.320 and i think it again that's why those points of directionality are very subtle

02:18:26.920 but they reinforce things over and over again and i i kind of spoke of the that polarity when

02:18:34.440 emir and the middle world is slain there are the four components that are created

02:18:40.600 and they are given the masculine and the feminine um and i you know lord nyarther

02:18:46.760 is the masculine element of the vanir um just like again being kind of spoken of just following

02:18:53.720 after bear yelmer as being the masculine force or the the progenital masculine force of the yotnar

02:19:01.320 um and that's where they they come from as kind of that and then again it's it's emphasized

02:19:07.240 and i this is the easter egg um uh fathrudnar speaks he says in the home

02:19:15.560 of the of the wains so a lot of people might be wondering what that means but the word in

02:19:21.880 in the old north is vana hymy uh evanahami scope on this rain um in their kingdom uh is where he

02:19:34.520 or in his in their creation in their home is where he comes from um

02:19:39.240 um the uh the wanes is a uh an english like kind of lateral word you'll see it in some of the

02:19:48.900 writings announced true with a they'll refer to the vanir as the wanes and the wanes has two

02:19:54.520 meanings much like hairier uh one it can mean cyclical that which rises and falls and then

02:20:01.320 rises again and it also means that which moves across or moves in a in a along a path um oftentimes

02:20:11.380 a path that you know starts low zenith's high and then and then goes low again and um so the

02:20:19.840 reiteration of why the the vanir and why i call them the the gods of natural order is that they

02:20:25.740 are interconnected with the cyclical nature of the chthonic and um you know this is this is the

02:20:34.940 good side aligning with the gods versus of course the otnar are not going to um align with the gods 0.99

02:20:42.060 because well they do some of them do but for the most part they're not because they remember

02:20:47.020 And the origins of their, you know, their primordial origins being smote by order.

02:20:57.000 And they don't take too kindly to that.

02:21:00.660 So he says, in the home of the Waynes did the wise ones create him and gave him as a pledge to the gods.

02:21:08.660 At the fall of the world, shall he fare once more home to the Waynes so wise?

02:21:13.820 So another thing I've seen is like, you know, who survives Ragnarok? And there are two separate mentions. And this one is the mention of Lord Njordr and his daughter Freya. And that's where that little bit of lore comes from.

02:21:33.280 I think that the recessing of the earthly elements is a good thing in the sense of Ragnarok, is that it's basically saying the element of life, the seed of life, and the ability to grow again is still maintained despite the great devastation.

02:21:51.900 And whereas, I don't know, I've never heard anyone say this as kind of being like a bout of cowardice or anything in relation to the way it might be perceived.

02:22:02.720 But Lord Njordr is that bountifulness of the earth, and for him to recede, to return again, shows a great sense of the idea of hope that there will be a material, a middle world return, as well as, again, like the spiritual return of Baldr and Nana.

02:22:24.840 and it's it's fixing stuff one of the great cataclysms of ragnarok is that order between

02:22:36.400 realms is broken the water is no longer restrained and it takes over the earth

02:22:43.120 the seasons are out of whack all the things are disordered at the destruction of ragnarok

02:22:50.620 this things going back towards their original order things returning to that ordered state

02:22:58.880 it's a big part of it um one thing that i do want to mention uh chris i'm sorry it got overlooked

02:23:05.600 earlier a gap in our system uh chris lucat uh donated ten dollars we appreciate that matt

02:23:13.940 is fine bad is bad and good is good he had a question over in the chat to see if you know

02:23:19.220 would still make sense of course it makes sense because it always makes sense that's a thing is

02:23:25.460 anybody reading it fairly our our lore is not neutral also true is not neutral um this isn't

02:23:34.580 a collection of things that exist it's things that exist in the context of struggle between

02:23:43.620 order and chaos between right and wrong between what's healthy and what's unhealthy and bad is bad

02:23:53.220 and good is good all right all right so uh 40th stanza

02:24:08.100 Othenspeak

02:24:12.320 Eleventh answer me well

02:24:15.900 Who issue forth from the stronghold

02:24:18.640 To hack each other every day

02:24:21.240 Slaughter they choose and ride to war

02:24:24.200 Sit the glorious ones in reconciliation together

02:24:27.680 I love the usage of all of that

02:24:34.960 it's uh it's interesting because i think it's downplayed on purpose in order to reemphasize

02:24:40.940 the answer uh you know the stronghold is used instead of the obvious answer of that stronghold

02:24:48.320 um and and then gives you know lean to it being answered um

02:24:56.320 Um, the, uh,

02:25:02.620 Faftrudnir speaks again.

02:25:05.400 He says, all the champions every day contend in Odin's courtyard.

02:25:11.400 They choose to slaughter and ride from the field.

02:25:14.280 Thenceforth sit reconciled.

02:25:18.040 Um, or they, they come, they sit together again.

02:25:22.820 And, of course, the champions, the word here, of course, is Einherjar. And the Tunum is kind of seen as the area within or the area just without Valhall or Valhalla.

02:25:40.920 And again, the Ein-Hir-Yar are the ones that ride forth in contention of battle and dissipate themselves and recollect themselves in purification to return back to the center of the Herier Father, which is his hall, Balhall. 0.68

02:26:02.940 Othen speaks again, the 12th 0.89

02:26:09.560 12th, answer me now

02:26:11.620 how all thou knowest

02:26:13.720 of the fate that is fixed for the gods

02:26:16.120 of the runes of the gods

02:26:18.460 and the giants race

02:26:20.140 the truth indeed

02:26:22.260 dost thou tell

02:26:23.240 and wide is thy wisdom, giant

02:26:26.000 and so again, this is the relenting

02:26:32.320 half Fathrudnir kind of relented towards Lord Odin um in the beginning and gave him seat and

02:26:40.600 now this is kind of a uh a relenting in return but I don't think it's a loss of ground because

02:26:46.760 of what's what we know is coming or perhaps if you're if you're not familiar with this story

02:26:53.920 this kind of like a fixing of or a slight relent on Odin's part is kind of the calm before the

02:27:00.960 storm if you will or the or they have the silence right before the big bomb is dropped um

02:27:09.360 so fafrudner speaks in 43 he says of the runes of the gods and the giants race the truth indeed i

02:27:16.960 can tell for to every world i have one to nine worlds came i to nivhel beneath the home where

02:27:26.640 dead men dwell so most people might hear again the usage of the word hymen or heaven and ausgarder

02:27:38.080 and you might hear the word nifhel in relation to helheim and it's worth noting that those places

02:27:45.760 are again or helgarder they are encapsulated places within a place ausgarder ausgarder is

02:27:53.520 synonymous with heaven but is not the entirety of heaven the walls of ausgard are not on the edges

02:27:59.360 of heaven so that was not the way they they saw have the heavenly expanse of ausgard with is within

02:28:05.280 it helgarther is in nifl hell or the dark hell that the place in which helgarter or or helheim

02:28:15.360 is is a place again in that cycle where we are passing through is not the darkest of the place

02:28:23.040 it is at the top but it goes deeper and darker still and farther away and you don't want to be

02:28:29.600 marked by the gods you don't want to be chastised and and rebuked by your ancestors and refused and

02:28:35.840 then crossing those rivers into the furthest darkest places of evil you know you want to 0.99

02:28:41.680 get to hell guard and then from there the transference to the folk soul and then the

02:28:46.080 the the ascension through the the root is possible um so uh in 44 odin speaks

02:29:00.080 and he says much have i fared and much have i found much have i got from the gods what shall

02:29:08.800 live of mankind when the last there comes the mighty winter to men and of course he's speaking

02:29:15.360 of the um in the volospow the reference to the thimble vetter thimble winter the terrible winter

02:29:24.800 um father there speaks in return in hard mimers wood shall hide themselves leaf and leaf thrasser

02:29:35.440 then the morning dews for meat they shall have such food shall men then find

02:29:43.200 so it's worth knowing that um the uh the names leaf and leaf thrasser uh is again kind of like

02:29:57.660 when we speak about father and mother um you know uh in relation to the rigs uh rigstula

02:30:08.280 life and the will to live is the man and the woman of humanity

02:30:15.220 and so again we we encapsulate the masculine the feminine and they have their names and

02:30:21.760 their names are not the literal man and woman they are life and the will to live

02:30:27.300 and it's again worth noting that the reference to here uh the the

02:30:38.260 tree itself and i think in this part is worth noting the reference to the root that makes

02:30:45.700 mimers well the root is the tree but that in the tree of memory or in the root of memory

02:30:53.380 that is connected to the tree is hod members would so the root in by mimers well where no one knows

02:31:01.780 is the place in which life and the will to live shall recede and from there gain the due

02:31:09.220 that is the sustenance of their of their uh existence and i think that this again is

02:31:14.340 correlating to the flow from earth's well to mimers well and the fact that they are not

02:31:20.660 kind of descending down from there but hide there in the root and hold true to the tree

02:31:27.460 and live off that that flowing of time so that they can return again they're not cut from time

02:31:34.100 they are not descending into that place that fractures away but stop there and remain there

02:31:40.740 so that they can return

02:31:48.420 uh let's see

02:31:49.220 so we're on what's uh stanza 46.

02:31:59.060 odin spake much have i fared much have i found much have i got from the gods

02:32:05.620 whence come the sun to the smooth sky back when fenrir has snatched it forth now this is an

02:32:14.020 interesting deviation here and again it may be because of meter it may be because of

02:32:22.660 misinterpretation it may be for convenience but we have spoken before in the volus bow about

02:32:30.340 hathi and school taking the sun and the moon and here it is referred to as fenrir now it is worth

02:32:38.020 remembering too that that is also mentioned that fenrir has a mouth that can reach the

02:32:43.940 all of creation and all of heaven in one bite and so the idea of

02:32:51.060 the products of chaos taking the sun and the moon down as being just as much perhaps a connection

02:32:59.140 to fenrir i don't honestly know but this is why there is that confusion like you might hear people

02:33:05.300 say oh no it's fenrir that swallows the sun and the moon and then other might say no it's skull

02:33:10.980 skull and happy and um that's because of this and it could be simply a um a changing or

02:33:19.220 misinterpretation or a again a need to create the verse to fit um and that has created some

02:33:26.500 great confusion the good news is it's pretty blatant and so you know i've always taken it to

02:33:32.500 be that skull and and hathi are themselves but much akin to the source of or sourced from fenridge

02:33:43.620 like children um if you will i don't consider them perhaps like again hypostasis if you will um

02:33:52.260 Um, so Fafrudner speaks, um, and, and then there's a title from, uh, from the elves of the, of, of, um, the sun.

02:34:09.600 47, a daughter bright

02:34:14.660 Alfrothr

02:34:16.660 Alfrothr

02:34:19.980 bears

02:34:21.200 Ere Fenrir snatches her forth

02:34:23.500 Her mother's path shall be 0.99

02:34:25.460 The maiden's tread 0.80

02:34:27.000 When the gods to death have gone

02:34:29.260 And the word

02:34:30.300 Alfrothr is

02:34:32.960 The

02:34:33.620 The name in relation to the

02:34:37.340 Son, it is the son

02:34:38.820 in to the elves um and it is another haiti of them so you'll see it too like an alvis mall 0.99

02:34:48.560 you know what is the name of the of the sun in to the gods what is the name of the sun to the elves

02:34:54.120 what is the name of the sun to mankind to to the dvergar and so on and so forth and um that is

02:35:01.920 again another reference to it so bearing her forth she has and will take her mother's

02:35:09.680 rightful path um but it is quite interesting that um

02:35:21.920 the the the mentioning that soul as we referred to before and then afterwards the the name is not

02:35:30.720 specified uh just says her mother's path um

02:35:38.000 so uh in 48 uh much have i fared much have i found much have i got from the gods

02:35:46.960 what maidens are they so wise of mine that forth over the sea shall fare

02:35:51.520 this is of course lending into um uh yes this is an interesting one

02:36:04.480 um the translation argument here on on the next stanza um

02:36:13.180 so the reference to exactly who the maidens are has is up to speculation um

02:36:24.160 um many people believe it to be the nornier or the norns um

02:36:32.740 it's interesting because i and i right now i'm going to look it up as soon as we're

02:36:42.200 as soon as i'm able to because it's the word more that i i know is thrasir or thrasis is of course

02:36:49.860 the the the will to like leaf thraser is the will to or the the desire greatly desirous to live

02:36:57.300 um fathrudner spake over mog thraser's hill and again this um in reference to

02:37:08.060 uh perhaps either the the well of urd or mimers well the the shall the maidens pass and three

02:37:18.440 are their throngs that come that all shall protect the dwellers on earth that they come

02:37:24.700 of the giant's kin so again that reference to the giant's kin um makes again more of a lending

02:37:34.120 towards, um, the, uh, the Nornir, uh, and Mugthraster's Hill again is, uh, in reference

02:37:43.520 to, or at least some people speculate it is in reference to the well of Mimir, um,

02:37:51.980 and I, you know, I had this whole thing too, I just remembered about this, and I, it is

02:37:57.700 like written down, and I did not break it out for this, I didn't even think we were

02:38:01.620 gonna get this far um the other uh conclusion of this though is that these are the the waters that

02:38:10.380 recede the flames that is another uh speculation about this and why it's spoken of the maidens

02:38:16.200 going over the ocean or over the sea is that this is where fate turns and the waters are brought

02:38:24.860 forth to recede the flames of sorter to ref to uh wash the damage that has that has come

02:38:35.340 um uh oh yes maugus is like sun uh desirous of suns or desirous of of suns now oh that's yes um

02:38:48.300 Um, so Mogthrasir's Hill is, in my opinion, and this is, I just remembered it all, it's all just

02:38:56.440 clicked, is the earth. Mogthrasir's Hill is the earth and Mogthrasir is humanity. The desirer of

02:39:05.040 sons is the folk. That the desirers of the sons is the folk themselves. And they shall, the Mogthrasir's

02:39:15.320 hill is the the middle world and over them shall pass and there in throngs they will come and they 0.98

02:39:20.720 shall protect the the generations of the of the folk and they come from the giant kin of course

02:39:28.040 re-emphasizing that this is the nornir and their turn of fate um i know that a lot of people have

02:39:33.200 taken this to mean mimir some have even taken it to mean heimdall um but i have always taken this

02:39:38.900 to be a haiti for the earth because the, the desirer of sons is mankind or the folk of themselves.

02:39:50.860 Um, but that is a, that is a great one to definitely look into. Um,

02:39:58.080 in return in 50 uh odin spake much have i fared much have i found much have i got of the gods

02:40:11.920 who then shall rule the realm of the gods when the fires of cert have sunk and that's again

02:40:19.240 another reason why i bring up the point that when we talk about the the waves of um the maidens that

02:40:26.500 pass over the earth of humanity they douse the flames is because this stanza that follows

02:40:32.900 so it's again it's like well then who shall rule after these waves have you know returned

02:40:39.460 the fate of man and the flames of ragnarok are are um subsided

02:40:48.260 and that brings us into um you know the the last set of of stanzas we did the whole thing and

02:40:56.500 only 11 38 that's around my time that's great okay so va through there speaks now into the

02:41:05.620 future which is an interesting point because again it was kind of highlighted that the volva

02:41:10.820 or the valla of the volas bow was the one who who knew the most of this but this is again

02:41:17.620 the knowledge of the deep wise ones so this is really pinnacling into

02:41:22.820 how wise fathrudnir is and he says in the home of the gods

02:41:31.060 vidar and valley shall dwell when the fires of sert have sunk

02:41:39.580 magni and mo or movi and magni shall mjolnir have when vignir falls in fault

02:41:52.820 So, taking up in the halls of the gods, we have, again, the hierarchy is being established with Vidar and Vauli, Baldr and Nana, Magni and Modi.

02:42:10.620 When their father falls, they shall pick up the hammer.

02:42:17.260 And I think that's also an interesting point.

02:42:20.300 I have always taken it that, I don't know to perhaps which, but I've always taken it that there's often a forgotten weapon of Thor, the iron rod, Gridevol, and Gridevol is the weapon wielded before the hammer.

02:42:40.440 And that, you know, one would take one and one would take the other, and thus refilling in the great space in the vacuum of the Stormfather.

02:42:55.100 And that's, again, why at Thor's Hoth, you will see Greedewald inside the strength belt of Lord Thor.

02:43:06.520 so in the meantime um finn wraith donated 10 euro i was going to donate last week since the

02:43:21.240 stream was a few days before my birthday but fell asleep so now i'm doing it well thank you very

02:43:28.360 much and happy birthday we appreciate all you guys who donate and especially all you guys that

02:43:37.840 are here every week that participate in the chat that ask questions that have many of you have been

02:43:44.300 with us for episode 92 so that's a long while now appreciate you guys

02:43:56.380 I am

02:44:00.720 I know I'm being quiet tonight

02:44:04.820 but I'm listening to Spawn

02:44:06.720 and I'm listening to the story

02:44:07.880 and I don't think a lot of this is

02:44:09.760 baffling

02:44:11.700 the lore retells

02:44:15.080 a lot of these things

02:44:16.400 a number of times

02:44:18.120 but there's fun little details

02:44:21.360 or poetic ways

02:44:22.580 these things are placed in here

02:44:24.900 that I think is

02:44:26.220 is special and i think this particular talking about ragnarok and the aftermath towards the end

02:44:37.360 here is really special imagery to me especially with odin himself being asked these or asking

02:44:47.820 these questions of of the giant in the hall about cataclysmic things that happened to him

02:44:57.020 and the nice here it's it's really interesting and uh yeah i'm glad i'm glad we're going through

02:45:04.380 because i i don't want the narrative to get lost of the story but uh yeah i think i think it's neat

02:45:13.260 that we're getting all the way through this tonight because i think it tells the story

02:45:17.660 completely and digest well and uh one thing i didn't want to get lost in the weeds about it

02:45:24.780 but i you know it's like i've always kind of taken certain like uh you know the the messaging

02:45:32.380 of greedable and mjolnir and those those correlations to each other where we have lore

02:45:37.740 but the lore is in verse and verse sometimes doesn't allow to fill in the the the sinew

02:45:44.940 between the muscles and you know like again perceiving lore in a spiritual way but also

02:45:53.340 perceiving lore as a storyteller is a thing that i you know i have a tendency to do and i think

02:45:58.700 one thing like that correlation of seeing you know i wanted to place greedable on lord thor's belt

02:46:07.420 because of the forgottenness of that lore that so many people just gloss over and um

02:46:14.700 so that we could kind of again expound on that leave these easter eggs to kind of hide

02:46:20.140 on the cauldron um at nyorth's hof there is the the pledge um that nyorv gives to the gods uh on

02:46:30.300 the actual cauldron on the outside and it shows that pledge so a lot of these little things come

02:46:35.900 straight from the the lore but you know to expounding expounding on them like you know

02:46:42.060 with with um movi or mother being like wrathful and and the greedable being grida is like

02:46:50.860 resistance or ag agra agro just aggravation and conflict you know i've always kind of aligned

02:46:57.900 the the image of gridevol in movie's hands whereas the mighty hand magni would hold me all near and

02:47:08.300 um but that that's not stated in the lore it and it it just isn't but there's kind of this sinuous

02:47:15.660 sense so i want to i want people to take that into consideration that a lot of that too is me

02:47:20.780 really kind of, I don't know, trying to breathe life back into the story

02:47:28.580 or lead down lines of thought. But I'm not, you know, with the attempt of trying to,

02:47:38.440 you know, make things up. So I don't want people to get that misconstrued. And I think that comes

02:47:44.500 from me being a storyteller. And I think the pros are seeds, kernels, but each of the verses

02:47:50.540 and each of the poems themselves have a lot to grow on

02:47:54.000 and they have the trajectory of their growth

02:47:57.480 kind of set, but

02:47:59.660 I don't know where I was going on that one.

02:48:08.120 I think you were

02:48:09.460 Stance 52.

02:48:17.020 Okay, yes.

02:48:20.540 Then Odin speaks. 52. Much have I fared. Much have I found. Much have I got of the gods. What shall bring the doom, the death of Odin, when the gods of destruction go?

02:48:38.980 the gods to destruction, go.

02:48:44.480 And Fafrudnir

02:48:46.600 knows that fate,

02:48:48.600 the fate of the wolf.

02:48:50.840 The wolf shall fell the father

02:48:52.800 of men.

02:48:55.280 And this shall Vidar's

02:48:56.720 revenge.

02:48:58.820 The terrible jaws shall he

02:49:00.680 tear apart, and so the 0.87

02:49:02.680 wolf shall he slay.

02:49:04.400 the return of the axis mundi in the very mouth of chaos the boot of lord vidar is of course

02:49:15.140 the foundational and his verticalness of ripping the the wolf's jaws asunder again creating this

02:49:24.280 the the axis power of the gods creating order and chaos and the you know the unmoving uh central

02:49:32.340 hub

02:49:33.540 this is the full fulfillment

02:49:38.540 of the

02:49:40.400 karma

02:49:42.240 of the gods 0.77

02:49:44.860 and the jotuns

02:49:46.320 and dharma is

02:49:47.920 realigned

02:49:49.540 it's taken this long

02:49:51.400 and this is the long turning one

02:49:53.480 that eventually

02:49:54.740 bears to fruition

02:49:57.340 it's just interesting

02:49:59.260 I've always taken

02:50:00.300 like i i just thought it was an interesting thing again because there is writings and

02:50:05.740 leanings leanings towards the audience knowing certain things but

02:50:09.800 there is no like the mention of fenris is not utilized in the stanza the word

02:50:15.360 i always thought that was very strange um and i don't i don't mean anything behind that it's just

02:50:24.000 again it kind of shows that the usage of words in relation to perhaps not wanting to be repetitive

02:50:30.060 with stanzas from before or or you know there's no reasonings that we we might even know it's just

02:50:37.440 that the word the uh instead of a fan race or uh or what have you so the dweller of the fens um

02:50:49.540 but this is the final the final finale because this is the acceptable but now that now the game

02:50:56.580 is over and this is the proverbial bomb that i was referring to um and i think this is kind of

02:51:03.780 a wink like who you know that lord odin is saying to the weaving riddle maker uh well how does lord

02:51:15.220 odin die um and he says it and then he says well and then this is the final bomb that's like well

02:51:22.180 I am he 0.80

02:51:23.900 in 54

02:51:27.100 Odin speaks

02:51:30.340 much have I fared

02:51:32.600 much have I found

02:51:34.960 much have I got from the gods

02:51:36.900 and this is the bomb

02:51:38.740 what spake

02:51:40.980 Odin himself in the ears

02:51:43.120 of his son

02:51:44.060 e'er in the bale fire he burned

02:51:47.060 so

02:51:51.560 So, I mean, it's pretty straightforward. What did, what was spoken by Odin, you know, to his son in the, in the Baal pyre. And that's kind of the hard stop. And I think poetically it's very fitting. And of course it's lending to other parts of the lore so that the poet can, you know, gain this, but it is absolutely that hard stop.

02:52:18.320 And I've always kind of, whenever I tell this story, this is the part where Vathrudner, you know, is speaking in delight about the death of the Allfather.

02:52:27.860 And he's like kind of haughty and laughing about it.

02:52:31.320 And then Gangreather says, okay, well, what did he say in his ear, in Baller's ear?

02:52:38.860 And that's when, because the premise of all of these questions is that you as a questioner should know the answer as well.

02:52:49.180 And that's the big bomb.

02:52:52.740 Because throughout this entire exchange, if you ask the question, you have to know the answer.

02:52:58.800 So if you ask a question like this, there's only one way you can know the answer.

02:53:04.740 And that's what Faathrinder says in 55.

02:53:07.520 No man can tell what in olden time thou spakest in the ears of thy son.

02:53:14.360 with faded mouth the fall of the gods and mine olden tales have i told

02:53:20.180 with oath and in knowledge now i am striven and ever the wiser thou art

02:53:25.180 and that kind of ends it that's the you know the the conclusion of course the the playing on the

02:53:37.220 head or the playing for the head is never never emphasized after it's never saying that you know

02:53:43.040 Lord Oven took his head. It's implied

02:53:45.420 and clearly in the story.

02:53:48.000 And I don't know why I keep

02:53:49.140 kind of harping on the idea that it was kind of

02:53:51.180 interpolated in there, but

02:53:52.360 despite that, the end is still

02:53:55.020 nobody knows

02:53:56.880 the answer to that except for the person

02:53:59.100 that just asked the question.

02:54:00.880 And that is you, Lord Oven.

02:54:02.680 And I have battled wits with you.

02:54:05.680 And you are still the wiser.

02:54:09.880 And that is

02:54:11.980 fall through this moment well done um

02:54:18.460 i i love the ending to that um i think it's extremely powerful um

02:54:30.540 we see this a number of times in our lore but the idea of

02:54:36.140 Odin showing up in disguise. And, you know, people, I say people, I guess, I guess people

02:54:52.340 counts um persons beings being uh

02:55:06.180 i guess it there's a truth there's a truth to it that cuts

02:55:13.140 on how you act when you like everyone would act a certain way in the presence of the all father

02:55:21.620 in the presence of the king of the Aesir in all of his glory,

02:55:29.360 you would behave a certain way.

02:55:32.900 Judging that behavior on how you'd interact

02:55:36.820 when you don't think anyone's looking

02:55:38.660 or when you think you have the upper hand

02:55:42.380 and then the big reveal of who you've been talking to,

02:55:47.760 I think speaks to us on a really fundamental level of the truth of who we are versus who we say we are.

02:55:59.560 And I think that's really, I don't know, beautifully brought out in some of these things.

02:56:08.440 But I really like this poem.

02:56:11.200 I like how it develops in the questioning and especially the ending.

02:56:20.060 But I'm glad we're able to kind of get it in one chunk tonight.

02:56:25.100 I think that's good, and I like that we do that.

02:56:29.060 There's others that we'll take, certainly we'll take longer on,

02:56:32.480 but I think this one is relatively straightforward.

02:56:35.640 But the way it puts certain things poetically, I think, is really beautiful,

02:56:39.820 and we kind of harken back to at different times um so getting to questions this evening

02:56:48.700 uh i'd like to answer the question from michael from york's off i'll share you go through flay

02:56:54.860 bell what is the protocol for folk uh for the folk without that would like to come to the hoff

02:57:00.780 see what it's like we have two good friends that show enough interest to attend a service

02:57:07.340 both are learned in the lore but yet worship christian ways well hopefully we can we fix that

02:57:19.980 so a couple of things just so folks know if you would like to attend an event that's happening

02:57:26.860 in your area if you'd like to attend one of our hoffs please let your local folk builder know

02:57:33.100 and we do like to get your name and you know and your birthday so we can do a quick check

02:57:38.540 and most importantly make sure that it's safe for you to be around kids

02:57:46.300 it said that we have to do that please nobody think that our system is foolproof it's not

02:57:52.780 but we do like to run the names you know just see if you're you're on the sex offender registry

02:57:58.460 hopefully you're not um so that so we know that that's a good a good thing or not now there's

02:58:05.260 going to be people that happen by the hoffs who just show up and you know we're happy to

02:58:12.940 we're happy to entertain that on a case-by-case basis but when we know ahead of time that's the

02:58:17.500 protocol michael is just you know get their names and and a date of birth and let somebody know and

02:58:23.260 we can run a quick check and make sure everything's on the up and up and and folks are safe and and

02:58:30.940 we'd like to have guests that are you know our folk that are maybe confused or you know might be

02:58:37.900 open to uh considering what we do or at least be respectful of it and take a look at it and

02:58:45.180 see and understand better what you do and how you worship so i think that'd be a nice thing

02:58:51.420 and I'm glad that you guys got folks that you want to bring by.

02:59:13.020 With that, we're going to decide what we're going to do next week

02:59:18.020 because we're going to give Svon a break between major pieces of our lore.

02:59:25.080 And then what is next for us?

02:59:30.300 The Grimness Mowl, I believe.

02:59:33.760 Two weeks from today.

02:59:36.620 So, yeah, two weeks from today, we will start on the Grimness Mowl.

02:59:41.200 You did all the heavy lifting tonight, Svon, so we appreciate that.

02:59:45.480 it's

02:59:47.100 it's interesting

02:59:49.500 because when Svan gets on a roll

02:59:51.640 on some of these things especially if it involves

02:59:53.700 any kind of storytelling

02:59:54.860 everything around

02:59:59.960 gets really quiet

03:00:01.060 because I think we all enjoy

03:00:03.080 listening Svan tell a story

03:00:05.260 or really go in some of this

03:00:07.540 when he's in his full

03:00:08.960 gothic glory on it

03:00:11.880 and yeah

03:00:13.980 it was really nice to listen to that tonight. Uh, like I said,

03:00:16.400 I really enjoy this poem and I'm glad we're able to go on it.

03:00:18.920 So thank you very much.

03:00:20.920 Thank you for having me. I've been grinding away at, uh,

03:00:25.300 between work and, and property management. And, uh,

03:00:29.560 this was just so fun to just be able to sit down and talk about the gods,

03:00:34.800 talk about the lore and just spend some time with you and spend some time with

03:00:38.880 the, with the, uh, with the audience. This is, this is good.

03:00:43.180 this. Well, I'm

03:00:45.440 glad, and hopefully it was good for

03:00:47.540 our audience.

03:00:49.260 I always look forward to talking to you guys,

03:00:51.460 and we'll talk to you again.

03:00:52.960 I will talk to you again next week,

03:00:54.860 and like I say, two weeks from now,

03:00:57.020 we will bite off the next

03:00:58.860 chunk of the Etta.

03:01:01.280 Until then, hail the gods,

03:01:03.320 hail the folk, hail the AFA,

03:01:05.460 and remember that victory

03:01:06.940 never sleeps.

03:01:09.700 Good night, everyone.

03:01:13.180 Thank you.

03:01:43.180 Thank you.

03:02:13.180 Thank you.

03:02:43.180 We'll be right back.

03:03:13.180 Thank you.

03:03:43.180 Thank you.

03:04:13.180 Amen.

Asatru Folk Assembly - April 11, 2024

4⧸10⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 92 - Vafþrúðnismál

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