00:03:00.000hello everybody and welcome to another exciting edition of victory never sleeps
00:03:24.880tonight svawn and i are going to start and we'll see how far we make it it's a little bit different
00:03:37.080uh these sometimes lora's broke up differently and the have them all which we did seven parts of
00:03:43.740he's really meaty with uh like experiential things so i'm not sure how it's going to go
00:03:52.740tonight as far as length like i said we'll see how far we make it but tonight we are starting the
00:03:58.660bath truth nismal um to get us started just so everybody
00:04:10.180so everybody knows so everybody is on the same page nick if you could put the link in there
00:04:16.900as per usual we're going to be using the bellows translation um
00:04:26.980that's handy dandy and easy to look at on your on your phone on your computer whatever you're
00:04:33.380consuming this on if you want to follow along but also as usual we uh highly encourage you to
00:04:40.900use what you like and if you've got you know if you've got something you you prefer a different
00:04:49.840translation you want to see how they see how they do things I think that's a great idea
00:04:57.360yeah so I'm not sure how it worked out I haven't gotten a whole lot of feedback yet but as of last
00:05:06.860week. When we come out on podcasting on Fridays, we should be on lots of different stuff. So Amazon
00:05:18.420Music, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, all of those things. We should also, right now,
00:05:30.140are currently live on entropy vk odyssey twitch twitter rumble uh and right here on on youtube
00:05:43.180please feel free to ask any questions you'd like um if they're relevant to the text that we're
00:05:50.380going over we'll we'll stop and we will you know answer them as they come up if not we will hold
00:05:58.780off till the end of the program but i promise we will get to your questions
00:06:03.580um yeah thank you guys so much for joining us if you want to contribute if you'd like to uh
00:06:12.300if you would like to donate you can do that over on entropy or you can do that
00:06:17.420in any of a number of ways that are in the description of this video we appreciate all
00:06:24.940those things um your guys generosity makes a huge difference and is much appreciated
00:06:32.620um and we're starting off the show with
00:06:38.140with a really special really special donor that always comes through for us that's always
00:06:45.260always out in front helping uh starting off ronald blake donates a hundred dollars for the stone
00:06:53.420family, which is a family that we're running a charitable drive right now to help out with
00:06:59.620some legal fees. And also Ronald, he bought us three coffees. He says, hail all. Well,
00:07:09.140hail to you, Ronald. And thank you very much. Hail the givers. We appreciate you guys more
00:07:15.160than you know. Trying to think if there's anything else off the top. Oh, I would be
00:07:21.940remiss if i didn't acknowledge today is our day of remembrance for uh mr john ewell better known
00:07:31.860as stoba a pioneer in the early days of modern aussitrue that helped get us on course to where
00:07:40.420we're at today and somebody that uh was was very seminal in making making this happen that we all
00:07:48.660enjoy so we celebrate him today on his day of remembrance without further ado i think that's
00:08:00.820where we're at and we're kind of ready to dive in um you know first svawn is there anything you'd
00:08:11.220like to tell folks about this poem itself any kind of background anything you think folks might
00:08:19.220need to be aware of before we go into it yeah i i definitely think that one thing that to give
00:08:26.580context to what we're doing is or just to help kind of roadmap the the stories there are
00:08:34.340encyclopedia poems and there are three of them that everyone should be familiar with
00:08:41.060or want to be familiar with if you're trying to kind of codex the the entirety of
00:08:48.660I guess the support structures of the faith as far as from a poetic standpoint, of course,
00:08:56.180it gives us kind of a checklist and it was its original purpose was for the scald, the keeper
00:09:03.320of the stories, the keeper of the poems and the keeper of the lore to have kind of an idea,
00:09:10.400a roadmap and a mental checklist, as well as a verbal kind of arsenal when they were preparing
00:09:18.520and creating uh poems and these there's three of them and this is the first one so it's in essence
00:09:28.200a battle of wits and we find ourselves like kind of in the middle of uh questioning and answering
00:09:39.320that are ultimately a gain of or a way to pass down tradition and a way to pass down again knowledge
00:09:47.000whether it's you know this this one might not necessarily have been geared towards um
00:09:54.840people in a hall or uh you know a family if you will maybe sections of it uh particularly maybe
00:10:02.120because of their beauty or the way that it sounded but it wasn't in its entirety geared towards an
00:10:07.000audience it was actually geared towards other scalds or other shops or other bards or whatever
00:10:12.760word you want to use it um to fill that spot in and so you have you have uh is the first one
00:10:21.080then you have grimness mall which is the second one and then you have alvis mall which is the
00:10:26.280third one and that's uh two of them are of course involving lord odin and the third one interestingly
00:10:32.520and fun fun enough uh again because a lot of people fail to to uh you know admit this that uh
00:10:39.480lord the storm father lord thor is also wise and very all-knowing um and so he is also involved
00:10:47.960in one of these uh kind of encyclopedia back and forth question and answer form of poems
00:10:55.160so this is the first one of three that i really think i mean we're we're most likely we're going
00:10:59.160to cover them but um i wanted to you know give people an idea as to what's going on and there's
00:11:06.680some stipulation about the beginning of this poem um the the survivability of it in relation
00:11:15.960to it being written down in notes elsewhere the first part of this poem is a little again
00:11:23.320kind of uh it doesn't substantiate well or it may have been added in later because of a loss
00:11:30.520of the beginning and so we find like they they supported it later on um with this introduction
00:11:39.240between lord odin and lady frega and then from there they move into the poem pretty swiftly
00:11:48.120another thing that's worth noting and i i don't know if the numbers are significant but it seems
00:11:53.000almost that uh he only really gives four questions out and then the rest lord odin gives in return
00:12:04.280and um comes out with with quite a bit so this really ends up becoming a kind of a questioning
00:12:12.040uh on on uh more so than on lord odin um in an interesting way i don't know if that was done
00:12:22.120on purpose or uh how it was exactly compiled or the reasonings behind that but i just i think
00:12:29.320that's very interesting that lord odin like stands for four and then he gets to question the rest and
00:12:35.720the the battery of questions in which he gives are aggressive and they have con you know uh
00:12:42.360continuity to his name the name the haiti that he has in the poem um as a again he he's he's not
00:12:52.280it's it might be a play on words he's not giving counsel he's gaining counsel and he's gaining
00:12:57.320counsel by asking questions and that of course pertains to the haiti but we'll get into that
00:13:02.280later so right out the gate this is a story about lord owen telling lady frigga that he wants to go
00:13:11.240and test his wits against this mighty poet this mighty riddler this mighty lore crunching
00:13:19.800jotun who everyone knows is um extremely powerful and she already kind of knows where he's going
00:13:29.080and um he does you know test himself i have seen some stories in which they take the poems and
00:13:38.760convert them back into stories and they always seem to add an element of death to this the idea
00:13:43.920that perhaps they're betting or wagering their heads um and i see this kind of repeated through
00:13:49.500and so i know it's in i i know it sounds bad but i guess i being honest is being honest i know it's
00:13:57.400in one of the stories but it seems to be that they apply it to a lot of them so then i end up losing
00:14:02.460which one actually has it and which one they just seem to add to caused a little bit of confusion
00:14:08.160for me when i was younger because i always just ended up kind of thinking that it was always like
00:14:13.440to the death uh clearly with alvis small um there is a a dire consequence with getting into riddles
00:14:21.040with lord thor so uh but that's another that's another time so just to prep that and get that
00:14:27.200into the into everyone's mindset this is a a sit down um between an ancient jotun and lord odin
00:14:35.520and their contextualizing of everything with the express purpose that the person learning this poem
00:14:44.080is supposed to know these and have them as a mental checklist so that when they create poetry
00:14:51.840they can fall back on the traditionals the traditional words and the traditional sets
00:14:57.680and it was one of the best ways I think that Snorty kept our faith alive and also that there
00:15:06.560I think there are great secrets hidden within more I would say esoteric or or just deeply
00:15:16.080hidden perhaps the gods within the intent of us finding and exerting these these secrets later
00:15:24.720um do reside in this poem all right well with with that would you like to go ahead and
00:15:37.200get folks started on uh the truth in the smile one yeah so uh
00:15:48.480lost through the near uh just to explain it because i know it's going to catch people up
00:15:52.960on the tongue every time we do it um vaf by itself means to it's the same as in the english word
00:16:01.040weft when when sewing when weaving uh it also means to wrap or to to wind tightly and so um
00:16:12.320Thrudnir, of course, is kind of strong, but strong in word. So the strong riddles or the strong
00:16:23.520song, strong poet, the one who weaves words tightly. And I find that interesting too,
00:16:31.040considering if you ever look up the origin of the word vardlokr and how it may have parallels to the
00:16:38.720word warlock in english um i know warlock ended up kind of popping up later on in the middle ages
00:16:45.680but it has come from somewhere and it has a kind of a parallel to the word word locking um which
00:16:51.680is an interesting um perspective of of uh another kind of unknown telling of magics uh within uh
00:17:00.080our ancestors but here it's it seems to be again the idea is that to be able to twist words wrap
00:17:07.040words tighten words or use words to bind all have a great strength so weave riddler is kind of or
00:17:18.320wrapping i don't want to say wrapping riddler because that that has context different nowadays
00:17:23.120but it's uh it's you know it's the weaving riddler is kind of his name um so othin othin
00:17:34.320uh quad or odin quotes or other than quote quote odin it's basically odin spake one
00:17:44.720counsel me frig for i long to fare and fought through the near fane would find
00:17:51.920fit wisdom old with the giant wise myself would i seek to match
00:17:56.960so right out out the gate it's it's stating that again this this beginning may have been
00:18:07.440substantiated in order to link into the poem itself and that the front half of this poem may
00:18:13.440have had some problems especially with the actual losing of a piece of the of the parchment um
00:18:21.920so right out the gate it starts off with a dialogue and he's basically saying
00:18:26.960You know, I, I, I would feign, feign would find, I would like to go out and, uh, with, with joy, go out and find this old giant who is apparently of high renown and match myself against him and see where I stand.
00:18:47.160Do you want to, you want me to like, cause I don't know if we want to stop at each one or kind of, uh.
00:18:52.760No, let's go ahead and keep going until we have a kind of more of a base.
00:18:57.800Yeah, I'll I'll throw stuff in there if I think, you know, if I need to.
00:19:02.580And if we stop, just kind of if you give a little pause after each stanza, just in case.
00:19:07.260But no, I think we're I think we're good.
00:19:10.180Well, here it says, you know, freak, quote, freak.
00:19:18.800her her father here at home i would keep and it's interesting she speaks of him as
00:19:26.360the father of battle um here at home i would keep where the gods together dwell
00:19:35.740amid all the giants and equal in might to fathrudner know i none and this of course sets up
00:19:43.340the, this is the, the rise of the roller coaster before the drop, because it's one thing to have0.88
00:19:50.320everyone have this, you know, this guy is this, this Yoten is all powerful, but then it's another0.88
00:19:58.400thing when your wife says, there's no one that matches him. Like you should not do this, which
00:20:05.120is of course gonna make it even more so. So it's, it's definitely the pullback on the slingshot.
00:20:11.700And I think it's a methodology that works and it shows a kind of, I think, a relationship dynamic that would, it's still pertinent today, but shows that it was pertinent then with the idea that Lord Odin and Lady Frigga are having this kind of husband-wife conversation and he wants to test himself on something.
00:20:35.560and and she kind of winds them up even more maybe intentionally maybe not intentionally who knows
00:20:41.960i would say probably unintentionally as as it's kind of set up but you know it's going to happen
00:20:47.160because it has to because no one you know is uh is of of the the uh the same uh
00:20:58.760uh i can't like so the word they use here is uh uh yeah yard of not yard of naman yard of not is
00:21:08.120consumptive or the the person who knows he's so hungry for knowledge like no one can match him
00:21:15.560um and so should i go ahead oh no go ahead i was just gonna say kind of a side note on this passage
00:21:24.440not really um relevant to the poem but any of you guys that have been in one of our
00:21:33.080our odin bloats may recognize the the title harry a father um
00:21:41.640i'm trying to think of another instance of its use because it's not one of the frequently used ones
00:21:48.920but um just here's kind of an example of that if you've ever heard we have a chant during that
00:21:53.480tabloat that we do called the Harry Father chant. And this is an instance in the lore of that term
00:22:02.260being used. Yeah. And the translation of that is very confusing for an English speaker because
00:22:09.920it survives in the English language in a very odd place. If you were to say the Vikings harried
00:22:18.160the coast of scotland that meant that they raided and attacked you could say that the wolf pack
00:22:24.200harried the um the caribou and that means that they're just kind of swiping in one by one over
00:22:32.160and over and over again uh but it also means to to has a kind of a notion to flying or to
00:22:39.580to raising up like with the harrier um airplane in the marine corps or uh like the the falcon
00:22:48.620and um so there's a connection there between flying and also attacking so you'll see these
00:22:54.060kind of translations where it's like it means the raiding father um and i think that it also
00:23:02.060has connections of course to hair or a warrior same as in german uh herman kind of a member of
00:23:08.700the of the army um so you find this like convoluted basically people just trying to pick what
00:23:15.660they feel might have better context for the moment but in general it means you know battle or
00:23:22.700attacking father the father of of assault if you will um and i think that that fits better in the
00:23:31.580idea that we should think of that uh it battle is that that again that rushing forward
00:23:44.620proceed okay so in the third stanza and again it says and you can see these parts again
00:23:50.620ovin cloth quote ovin much have i fared much have i found much have i got from the gods
00:23:59.660and fain would i know how fast ruth near now lives in his lofty hall
00:24:08.860so he would he he's seeking the the joy of of knowing you know where his established
00:24:19.580knowledge where his um renown is coming from again just another re reattestment but it is
00:24:25.420interesting too that much have i got from the gods and this is an important thing i think that um
00:24:33.900you and and i also ago they were talking about this like a little while ago and when i read this
00:24:38.460it clicked in again a lot of people have this concept that like uh in the stories if heimdall
00:24:46.220gives the runes it can't be heimdall it has to be odin uh that that the idea that the gods enter
00:24:55.420connect and create a strata there is a hierarchy but i think that there's a a heavy dependence on
00:25:05.020kind of this either monotheistic thought or like again i i see it in hinduism where they're
00:25:10.140kind of combining everything into into one shiva or one vishnu and there cannot be but inter
00:25:17.580palatians or or uh kind of fragments or facets or or whatever um but here you know lord othen says i
00:25:27.180i learned much from the gods i've learned from my my folk that the heavenly folk i've learned
00:25:34.860all the wisdom that i can and i want to go out and seek outside of the in the outer guard the
00:25:42.540renown that this you know supposed uh you know weaving riddler has uh has gained for himself
00:25:52.300and i find that very interesting because our a lot of people don't think of the the gods as
00:25:59.260they have to physically be kind of amalgamated into one because they're not truly hard polytheistist
00:26:07.420polytheistic um they see and kind of jam the gods into
00:26:14.140uh one thing if you will and that anything outside of that is just story fluff to them
00:26:22.140and i think it's this this line here really does speak of the gods as being
00:26:30.400very powerful beings but that they do find strength and uh betterment by
00:26:39.380connecting and working together um as opposed to just simply being a story piece of what i guess
00:26:48.380is like veiled monotheism in a lot of ways so i want to i i really like that part
00:27:04.720she says um now in in the uh in the um
00:27:16.620stanza in the old norse you'll see the word
00:27:18.860And we were talking about that with heil and heilsa and hellu, this really is the usage of the word, not saying hello, but saying whole, well, come back whole.
00:27:36.280So, safe mayest thou go, safe come again. So, heil thu farir, means wholly or wellly shall you go, heil thu afterkomar, afterwards come back whole.
00:27:53.360and i really love that that saying that that um that line i've seen it translated in many
00:28:02.500different ways but you know whole shall you go and whole shall you return and i really love the
00:28:10.020fact that he used some some older english or words here with um safe mayest thou go safe come again
00:28:17.320and safe be thy way thou wendest um that is a a word that i use in one of my prayers uh wendest
00:28:25.240meaning of course to to go about or to go around or to travel about something um
00:28:34.520father of men let thy mind be keen when speech with the giant thou seekest and that that that
00:28:43.960part there uh a v there do we cloud through skulls our father or them words that are spoken myla
00:28:57.480the the giant as um and again remember whenever you see the word yoten don't think of giant
00:29:03.160perseist as say think of giant and yoten meaning an ancient being one that has been since either
00:29:11.560most spelly nifl hell or the the slaying of emir
00:32:28.780being the key to good health, is really fundamental in how we view the world.
00:32:33.560And it's also fundamental in our view of justice.
00:32:43.200In other faiths, the only person who is wronged by an injustice is their God.
00:32:52.580And so that's the only power they need to make it right by.
00:32:56.180in in our faith it's very different if you injure someone or damage them steal their property or in
00:33:06.680a less obvious way in situations of honor or i mean we'll see this in this day and age with
00:33:13.280something like uh like libel or defamation if you take away a piece of someone's reputation
00:33:22.820If you take away some of their standing or some of their fame, or if you take something from them, that was the point of justice to our ancestors.
00:33:33.560It's why the vengeance culture arose that did was they needed to extract an equal amount of whatever you took or the closest equivalent they could get to become whole again.
00:33:48.420and until they did they were missing a piece of themselves they're missing a piece of their luck
00:33:54.660they're missing a piece of their fame a piece of who they are and sometimes that survived in legal
00:34:02.780in legalese to this day when we talk about you know
00:34:07.240compensation for something what's this what's it going to take to make you whole what's it
00:34:13.300to take to make this party whole so the idea is what's going to refill what was taken and so
00:34:21.460that's very much a concept from our ancestors and our people and it's fundamental to that expression
00:34:29.220you know we refer to that as health and it's important to realize it's
00:34:32.900it's got uh spiritual and social implications and not just physical ones
00:34:38.660i think it it also lends to the idea that um
00:34:47.060ausitru as a faith is naturally folkish and naturally uh ancestral or or foundationally
00:34:56.660based i wouldn't say past based but that we look at that which came before us as a medium of
00:35:04.580foundation and that we should add on to it not take away but also maintain it and that the
00:35:12.180dissolvement the disillusion of something the breaking of something um is not to be done unless
00:35:17.860under great consideration um because we don't want to be the cause of that which makes something
00:35:24.340unwhole um and that's how our you know our traditions are formulated years over years over
00:35:29.460years of gift giving and the way that our gift cycle is done these considerations aren't just
00:35:35.540willy-nilly you know laid about because they're whole and they have they have functioned they
00:35:40.100grow better they grow stronger and they they innovate but they are based off of that that
00:35:45.860core way of thinking and i think that the same with our people the same with the kind of our laws
00:35:50.980the way of our lands um i know that our ancestors were very apt to go into the lands of other folk
00:35:57.860and you know be there and experience or even you know and give praise to certain
00:36:03.780folk in other lands uh for what they have and what they've done and perhaps think you know
00:36:08.740we should have that as well um speaking of like the vikings when the the viking that went into
00:36:14.100like arabia and they saw the uh like the the persian southern persian uh kingdoms and they
00:36:21.940were like wow these guys are doing great they've got lots of money they they've got lots of lands
00:36:26.500they've got their stuff figured out this is phenomenal um and so they definitely give praise
00:36:31.460for things that they they consider good but it's very rarely at the sacrifice of what was from
00:36:37.780before they're not just going to throw everything in the bin uh their ancestors the traditions that
00:36:43.700were you know built there and i mean that happens with christianity over and over and over again
00:36:47.780we see that um but it also kind of re-emphasizes a lot of that point about the truth as being
00:36:56.100returning to whole as opposed to you see nowadays in modern modern age where people are just kind of
00:37:03.540glorifying the the uh the pieces if you will
00:37:13.460all right what verse are we on next in case people are following along
00:38:22.860because the they're speaking about as being the father of in is what it's it says uh there's no
00:38:33.980knowing as to what this uh then this correlates to perhaps another story that was lost or was
00:38:41.740never written down um some have tried to say that this jotun is the father of an austin because of
00:38:50.540other um references somewhere else but the the word is not it the the name of that austin which
00:38:57.580eludes me right now is longer than eames and so they've tried to say that that's that they are
00:39:03.900one in the same i don't 100 um take to that i think that snorty uh some of the fragments and
00:39:12.140things that he did was either again as simple as misspellings or connections to other uh stories
00:39:19.580that were never written down and we'll never know but this is of course in's father is
00:39:27.100and in forth went egg now this is another interesting part we know who egg is egg is
00:39:36.940lord odin egg means awesome or terrifyingly awesome or uh with a sense of awe that is kind of
00:39:47.900scary um and i i find it truly interesting because we we clearly see that lord odin is
00:39:54.540spoken of as lord odin and then he has his haiti set but this kind of shot sends a a warning to
00:40:04.540the audience or a warning to the poet that he's he's going in there like an like he's going in
00:40:11.340in there like an atom bomb and in a way he kind of does because fathrunir shoots out four questions
00:40:18.060and then the rest is lord odin just kind of title waving him and i never realized that until i kind
00:40:25.980of was going through this again and i was like maybe that's that that that ig uh titling which
00:40:33.100of course is everyone's familiar with igdrasil um is uh kind of a foreboding sense of what's
00:40:41.340what's coming um but here it says you know that the the wisdom then of the giant wise
00:40:48.100forth did he fare to try he went out uh lord odin and and in the old um old norse uh stanza
00:40:56.120it says that lord odin went um to speak with this um all wise jotun um and inside the terrible one
00:41:07.160walked in. And that's kind of the intro of what, you know, setting the stage, if you will.
00:41:21.980Oh, a note on Yim. From what I can find is the meaning is like dust or soot.
00:41:37.160Or in Norwegian, it comes down to us to mean smell.
00:41:48.200So I don't know that that adds anything of value, but just to put it out there.
00:41:56.160Sometimes, especially in the poems that are intended for the Skalds, when there's minor characters, their name and its meaning is very significant.
00:42:07.160yeah the the uh double j2 is a linguistic thing that's kind of uh it ends up being like a g
00:42:18.680k sound like uh like if uh people might be familiar with olaf trickferson
00:42:27.000that the double g in his is a kind of a gk sound
00:42:30.520oh you meant in sorry sorry i was going i was still wrapped up on eek um yeah i don't know i
00:42:41.740again that's that's interesting because one of the things that i think a lot of people need
00:42:48.500to tackle with is that snorri wrote a lot about the jotuns as i think it was kind of like
00:42:58.480i always joke when i do some of my classes the guy that does the the slap on tape i forgot the
00:43:05.240name of that guy but it was it's kind of like when snorty wasn't quite sure slap jotun on it
00:43:12.320and jotun just means really ancient being of that consumptive origin and so the jotuns have
00:43:20.580a tendency to be primordial uh you know avatars of nature but they can also be conceptual
00:43:27.960And oftentimes I think are conceptual for the sake of the story. The wisdom that needs to be passed down has a functional purpose to be played upon, whether it was a Jotun or a Dvergar or Svartalfar or Dwarf.
00:43:48.860Um, these, these functions have purpose and, um, there may not be an as easy connection to the primordial forces as there are with other Jotun. And there's also a lot of confusion again about descendancy from Ymir, descendancy from Mosbelheim and descendancy from Navalheim and how these three sources, uh, are the sources of the Jotuns. And we don't quite know because they're never really specified.
00:52:36.280Okay. So in this part, in verse eight, what you will normally see is a lot of people will say Gagan or Gaganrath.
00:52:45.640Um, that is not incorrect because those are the letters that we use in English, but it is incorrect in relation to, and it kind of stands in the way of understanding or, or again, building a connection to the names of the gods and especially the Haiti that are often used.
00:53:08.240So just remember, if you ever see a G in the middle of a word and it's not doubled, it has a tendency to be a softer, almost GY sound, and oftentimes can be completely a Y sound.
00:53:22.880In this example, even in the English version, if you say gain wrath, because the Old Norse is gain raudr, gain is the same as in English, like what do you have to gain, and raudr is counsel, so he is the gaining counsel, he is the questioner.
00:53:49.860And again, I think this is another shot across the bow for the poet or the audience to let them know that the great source of the questions that are going to be flowing are going to be coming from the one seeking counsel, the one who's looking to gain, and that is Lord Odin.
00:54:10.540So, Gain Rav, or Gain Raudur, as in Old Norse, so Gain Rav.
00:54:18.100Gain Rav, they call me, and thirsty I come for a journey hard to thy hall.
00:54:25.320Welcome, I look for, for long have I fared, and gentle greeting, giant, Jotun.
00:54:32.020so fathrudner speaks in stanza nine why standest thou there on the floor
00:54:44.300wilt thou speakest a seat shall thou have in my hall then soon shall we know whose knowledge is
00:54:51.500more the guest or the sages gray now i i really find that interesting the sages gray uh because
00:55:01.480he says the the the gamley thuler and the thuler as we've spoken before if any you know people
00:55:08.680remember is again the the singer the poet the storyteller um and so that you know kind of
00:55:17.720substitutes us as as a sage sometimes here so take a seat he says and we shall find out
00:55:27.480um and there's still a little bit more uh talking going on um it's another important thing this
00:55:36.740reinforces and some of these things are just background notes the original audiences would
00:55:41.600be super familiar with but that i think is worth
00:55:45.720i don't know recalibrating ourself on are we familiarizing ourself
00:55:51.940hospitality was an understood and an expected thing um it would be thought very poor of you
00:56:02.360if someone came into your hall and you didn't offer them a seat and offer them something to
00:56:07.320drink and sit them down and take care of your guest um that was very fundamental to our ancestors
00:56:15.840way of beating or way of being and they're
00:56:19.920you have to remember that most of the setting of this isn't you know in a city these are halls
00:56:31.800spread out over farmsteads over distances that you know if you came to somebody's hall you were
00:56:38.120traveling often in you know unpleasant weather and condition and you know hey sit down have a drink
00:56:46.280relax clean yourself up offering them something to uh you know wipe the road dust off their face
00:56:53.640and off their hands hospitality was wasn't expected even you know certainly to one of
00:57:02.120your friends but to the to the random stranger that that would come by and so this is we see
00:57:09.960that in the backdrop of this but that was very much expected and it would be to your shame if
00:57:16.120you were thought um miserly and inhospitable to to guess i was just quickly trying to look
00:57:30.920look, I'm saying, of course, I'd drop a bunch of books. I'm making noise. Sorry about that.
00:57:40.160Let's see. So then, you know, from stanza 10, Odin speaks back. If a poor man reaches the home
00:57:50.340of the rich, let him wisely speak or be still. For him who speaks with the heart of heart,
01:04:22.000father says speak forth now gain wrath if there from the floor thou wouldst thy wisdom make be
01:04:30.960make known what name has the steed that each morn anew the day of mankind doth draw
01:04:44.080and odin speaks in return scheme foxy is he the steed who for men the glittering day doth draw
01:04:53.680and best of horses to heroes he seems and brightly his mane doth burn
01:04:58.720So in these first, the 11 and 12, Fafirunar is asking the name of the steed of day or the steed of daylight, of the heavenly wardens, the coming of the light in association with time itself.
01:05:16.980not perhaps say warmth or the scanning of light but also again the rotation of the sky or the
01:05:24.900rotation of the earth as we move around the steed the vehicle in which that movement is responsible
01:05:31.280for um these skin foxy which means shining hair um or shining mane and uh it is written by the
01:05:42.860um heavenly warden day for day dog is after now it's it's spelled d-a-g-r but it's day because
01:05:52.740remember that g is kind of soft g-y sound and then once you say it like that it makes sense it's
01:06:00.260day day um and he speaks poetically about you know the uh the the light of his main burning
01:06:37.340what name has the steed from the east anew and brings the night for the noble gods
01:06:45.000so again we're establishing the rotation of the earth we are we're talking about the turners and
01:06:54.220the two heavenly wardens now bringing on into the next one which is uh about to be you know
01:07:00.260brought up but it's brought up by the vehicle which i find very interesting and another part
01:07:05.240this is i don't know if lord odin has taken the seat as the reference is always being said
01:07:15.080you know from the floor but again this may be an idea that lord odin has taken a seat
01:07:21.560but that uh vathrudnir is on a ds or on a raised platform if you will and um
01:07:29.000And he's asking, you know, from the east, which horse brings the knight? And this is, of course, the second heavenly warden. And Odin speaks, he says,
01:07:42.320Hrimfaxi, name they the steed that anew brings night for the noble gods. Each morning foam from
01:07:50.940its bit there falls and there thence comes the dew in the dales. So one of the big things that's
01:07:57.680set up here is we're talking about the passing of day heaven to night heaven. And it's worth
01:08:06.960noting again that our ancestors saw the gods as living in the heavenly place, which would be
01:08:14.900center and above the middle guard. And so the turning of the day, the turning of the night
01:08:22.420is brought to them as well. It's like imagining the upper realm being in the center of the place
01:08:32.520unknown the midgard center and there on heaven's mountains in the mountains is ausgarth and there
01:08:41.400the tree is the center and its roots dip down through heaven's mountains and into the realms
01:08:48.280beyond all knowing and so that is why you will often see when they speak of the rotations of
01:08:54.820the sun and the moon and the sky day and night it is brought to the gods as to the elves as to men
01:09:01.780um because that was the way of seeing even though the the the seeing of it still stands the gods are
01:09:10.700in the center and above it is not as a literal sense that you know and in the the scanning
01:09:18.280clouds underneath heaven is where the leo so far live um and that can be again like an ethereal
01:09:25.140sense between the two worlds um but that is why you'll often see these announcements being said
01:09:31.620that the sun and the moon are both experienced by the gods.
01:20:47.540It doesn't matter whether the gods literally exist
01:20:52.120in the center and above conceiving of the gods in the center that our world revolves around
01:21:00.480but them being central to our life central to our world central to existence and up looking up
01:21:10.020literally we look up to our gods um being upwardly oriented projects towards the future
01:21:20.180towards the stars towards the unreachable towards you know that is growth and moving forward
01:21:28.920regression is moving down and below things that are hidden have other connotations to them it's
01:21:37.520not always a good or a bad thing but it's certainly a a cosmic aspirational and future
01:21:46.460orientation looking upward and directing things upward and when you retreat within yourself for
01:21:54.220for good reason sometimes that's fine when you hearken back to the past when you0.92
01:22:01.020go to things that are lower and more primal and more um rooted in in the past in the chthonic
01:22:10.680That's fine too, but that being directed as underneath and below and lower, directionality matters to how we conceive of ourselves in relation to the world around us.0.83
01:22:25.060The idea of a sacred center and the idea of the axis mundi is fundamental to all Aryan thought.
01:22:35.600the idea that our gods are above are up high you you know you have to ascend through
01:22:43.520you know the rainbow bridge or climbing olympus or doing some reaching up and climbing upward
01:22:51.680into the clouds as far as we could conceive you go upward to reach our gods affects how we see them
01:23:30.100So those orientations affect us fundamentally whether we realize it or not in what we do and how we carry ourselves and how we conceive of our place in the world and the place of our gods.
01:30:43.400speaks in 17 he says speak forth now gengrath if there from the floor thou wouldst thy wisdom
01:30:55.540make known what name has the field wherein fight shall meet cert and the gracious gods
01:31:04.080I love the word Svausur, the beautiful, the pleasant, the gracious gods.
01:31:19.640Of course, they're speaking, he's saying, where is the final battle going to be laid amongst your kind and the gods?
01:31:34.080Um, so, and he specifically mentions, of course, this, sorry, this is one, er finna skvige at Suttr. Suttr is the key component there to lay towards the, the final battle.0.73
01:31:53.400um odin speaks the grid the grither or the grither if you were to um you know put it together
01:32:08.540is the field wherein fight shall meet cert and the gracious gods a hundred miles each
01:32:15.960way does it measure and so are its boundaries set um i've seen people speculate about numerological
01:32:27.560um things i don't know how much that has value i have pondered it myself i i wonder if it was more
01:32:35.640or less an idea to give a sense of greatness. You know, we could say, you know, like a million
01:32:50.280miles or what have you. And I think that the idea of this being the literal, but the word
01:32:59.920hundredth is there it's it is certainly a hundred um but it's you know it's translated to miles but
01:33:07.680again we could try to be like biblical scholars and say well you know what is a rasta to a
01:33:12.960a mile in relation to and and so on and so forth and i don't think that is the intent of the story
01:33:19.840i think the intent of the story is to make the the audience go wow that's like it's really big
01:33:25.840it's really big in every direction um but i have seen people really really just grind that nail tip
01:33:32.640on you know the mysteries of that and and you know perhaps there is something that can be found in
01:33:38.560there but me personally i i kind of just didn't want to take away from the mythos of it um but
01:33:47.040i'm always open so if anybody has any you know furtherance on that i i do love to hear um any
01:33:53.840you know wisdom gleaning in that that relation um so the the questions um have been asked and then
01:34:06.720gives a relent of wow i do have you know i picked i i picked some obscure uh basically well and i've
01:34:15.200always taken this as as you know four points if you will he takes four points of heaven and four
01:34:22.560points of of the middle world or or four points of the cosmos and he does two in the heavenly sense
01:34:31.040and two in the lower or chthonic sense where he does you know horses of the day horses of the night
01:34:37.440or the heavenly turnings and then um you know the the field of battle and uh the um
01:34:45.840rivers of Jotunheim and Midgar. So now it begins to turn. And Vathrudner says,
01:34:55.120Wise art thou, guest? To my bench shall you go. In our seats let us speak together. Here in the
01:35:03.160hall, our heads, O guest, shall we wager our wisdom upon. Okay, so this clearly answers
01:35:10.860a couple of things one this is the story where the head is wagered as i've mentioned before
01:35:16.940to the the stories as we go through them like again we don't really prep for these
01:35:23.860episodes we go through them raw and um you will see this trope utilized in other stories
01:35:32.160again it's not it is like uh when when loki wagers his head against the dvergar so this is again
01:35:40.640another common essence and and uh usage but it is placed elsewhere in other stories and i i remember
01:35:50.720it kind of being spread from one particular story and that is this one so that answers that um
01:35:59.440and again it also answers another question is because the speaking from the floor versus
01:36:04.480speaking from the from the seats now there is a moment where things get close where it's like okay
01:36:10.000you've proven your worth now we're going to sit face to face we're going to sit close
01:36:14.960but we're going to make these we're going to up the ante on these bets
01:39:20.360Of course, lending back to the story of Lord Odin, Vili, and Vey coming down and initiating the process of Orlog and Weird for all the gods and even before mankind and all things that begin to rotate.
01:39:43.120This is the part where the synchronization of all circles come into alignment.
01:39:50.360and start to, again, move each other, much like a, like a clock. And, um, you know, he makes
01:39:56.900mention of this, and you will see this again, because Snorri is really trying to give the
01:40:03.440Scalds, uh, uh, references and leanings towards Haiti and Kennings in, um, the prose Edas, where
01:40:12.540he will then discuss more. And even in some of the modern, like some of the modern poetry that
01:40:17.880i've done i would you know i would make relent the idea that that um you know the that emir's thoughts
01:40:26.360you know burned coldly in the sky or gathered in in frustration and that's really uh you know
01:40:33.960the the clouds um so we find this this uh the the haiti here and and you know the giant skull
01:40:42.840emir skull is the hall of deling good um and you know many people could think of it as you know
01:40:48.600the atmosphere if you will but it is the um the encapsulation of the middle world and all that is
01:46:56.700Third, answer me well, if wise thou art called.
01:47:00.060If thou knowest it, far through there now,
01:47:02.660Now, whence came the day over mankind that fares, or night with the narrowing moon?
01:47:14.020Here he's speaking about the totality of the heavenly wardens.
01:47:18.380And I think it's more often than not a not understanding in Ausatruin to speak of the heavenly wardens with in relation to, say, for instance, Dellingud.
01:47:35.300And some people have referred to Dellingud as an Alvar.
01:47:38.360Some people have referred to Dellingud as an Aus.
01:47:41.140And I think that the confusion there is, you know, valid because we don't have much, but I have always kind of accounted them to the realm, the keeper of the sanctity of around the middle world or the atmosphere, the spheric shape of the hall.
01:48:07.680the hall and the scholar are one in the same and delinger's hall is um there um
01:48:15.680and kind of becomes the source of day and night and sun and moon but i think it's also worth
01:48:23.040noting that the sun and the moon were kind of seen as outside of the hall because of their
01:48:28.880differentiation to what was happening closer if you will i think that's an interesting thing
01:48:35.920especially in relation to the revolutions of the earth the revolutions of the sun and the moon
01:48:42.560having only one horse and it's the only one that doesn't rotate um or has its own axis so i think
01:48:49.440that's that's interesting um so let's see we are he says um
01:48:59.600um fastrudner speaks in in stanza 25 the father of day is delinger called and the night was begotten
01:49:11.720by nor full moon and old by the gods were fashioned to tell the time for men um
01:49:22.340And this, again, lays a point on Nott, the goddess of night, the heavenly warden of night, or the rotation of the earth in, again, all that process being one in a kind of calculated timing of things.0.99
01:49:45.620Naught is born of Narvi. And there's very little mention outside of that. But that in the olden days, the gods set forth the sky, the sun, and the moon in their place to regulate or to set up the convictions of time.0.94
01:50:08.680And that's why, again, I always bring up the gods as being the apex and deliverers of time, and that the rotations of all things correspond to that ordering.
01:50:20.840And another reason why I'm also a kind of big proponent of if you're talking about calendar work, you know, utilizing a solar lunar calendar versus strictly a lunar calendar is because of, you know, these stanzas here.
01:50:35.840um speaking about both of them as being you know markers of time and i see people argue like no
01:50:43.040we should only use a lunar calendar because the anglo-saxons were marked as being um you know in
01:50:49.380this sense with the lunar calendar and i i think that that's that was probably correct for them
01:50:55.520at their time but not throughout and we see it later on in runic calendars where
01:51:01.240The solar-lunar combination was clearly used to create a more diligent timekeeping system.
01:51:18.240So, let's see. Oh, another thing worth kind of bringing up, too, is the
01:51:24.240the correlation between delinger or the word dell and heim dollar and the idea of the flame
01:51:33.140or the spring of light or the source of light um as kind of a correlation to those that's why
01:51:40.880when we were speaking about lord heim dollar as being the dale or the place of home versus
01:51:47.780the flame or the light of home comes from this the the heavenly warden delinger
01:55:04.860the descendancy coming from one in particular and this is mentioned elsewhere as well and so
01:55:14.620sometimes the yotin of the middle are referred to as his kin uh father father there spoke
01:55:23.060winters unmeasured air earth was made was the birth of bear yelmer through the elevator sun
01:55:30.980was the giant strong and our yelmer's grandson of old so it's worth noting here that our yelmer
01:55:39.640is emir it's another name for emir and it was from from him through yelmer was born
01:55:50.720but it was bear gelmer who survived the deluge if you will the the slaying of his grandfather
01:55:59.140um and so we see this kind of descendancy here again with the point of teaching the poet to
01:56:07.280remember these things that emir is our yelmer our yelmer has through the element and through
01:56:17.040the elmer begets bare yelmer again and the uh the translations here of the the the shaping
01:56:26.720strength or the shaping clay versus the strength uh shaping and then the mountain or solidified so
01:56:35.440if you look at them our is i've always kind of lent towards the idea about the shaping of clay
01:56:41.760and the idea that our yelmer and emir is he's in this inconstant state and that there is a movement
01:56:48.880towards um the creational state or perhaps like three epochs of this in which there's like again
01:56:56.160not a solidification then there's a movement towards solidification and then berg elmer is
01:57:01.120solidification by the mountain as its um usage so but it is barry elmer who survives the deluge
01:57:09.520of the slaying of emir so that that i know has a tendency to to throw a lot of people off
01:57:18.480when it comes to well who's what what's the answer who's the who's the answer but it's
01:57:23.920it's again our yelmir is another name for emir um
01:57:39.760let's see in in uh stanza 30 odin speaks sixth answer me well if wise thou art called
01:57:47.440if thou knowest now whence did our yelmer come with the giant's kin long since thou giant sage
01:58:04.240now this is again making mention of the one of the rivers and this river is of course mentioned too
01:58:10.800during the beginning um when the the flames of muscle started to melt
01:58:18.880uh niflheim the rivers the spring vergelmer and the rivers that spring from it were created
01:58:27.760and so rathrudner speaks of his origin
01:58:30.720down from Elvaugr. Now, Elvaugr are the rivers that flowed. So bear in mind that it's not a
01:58:46.800singular river, but 11 rivers. Down from Elvaugr did venom drop and waxed till a giant it was,
01:58:56.520and thence arose our giant race and thus so fierce we are found so this again our yomer is emir and
01:59:06.920he is brought from the venom and the dripping of the 11 rivers of the nether or the underworld
01:59:15.560and those 11 rivers are aptly named so they are just horrid and grotesquely named poetically
01:59:23.160uh you know the river of uh mournful cries you know sleeve is cruel and um
01:59:32.200is the terrible singer and uh there's like the battle wounds the festering battle wound i mean
01:59:38.120they're all just deeply uh you know carrying the sense of like their primordialness they're in an
01:59:45.480inhabitableness of these rivers is overly stated again and again and that's what makes them
01:59:52.600so venomous and so primordial is because they are not held in the confines of the the ordering of
02:00:00.600the gods the gods have us have taken the primordial powers and brought them to heal but deep down
02:00:07.400below there are still the the rivers of of creation that were not brought to heal and uh
02:00:14.840And that is what Ymir was formed from. That's what Al-Yelmer was formed from. And again, they emphasize this, that's why we're so, you know, so fierce.
02:00:27.740Um, Othenspeak, 32, seventh, answer me well, if wise thou art called, if thou knowest it,
02:00:41.600Vathrudner now, how begat he children, the giant Grimm, who never a giantess knew.
02:00:50.120so uh for those i mean anyone familiar too with the prosators this is again the spawning of the
02:00:59.660middle jotnar um do not discount them the children of muspel nor the children or the
02:01:08.920hrimthurser of nivelheim as already being ancient beings that existed but here is the center here
02:01:16.160is the primordial um beings that are in the middle world and how did they begin how did they come
02:01:25.200about um and he says you know how did they come about if never a giantess he knew never did he lay
02:01:35.680uh you know with a uh a female of his kind and father speaks and says they say that
02:01:45.200neath the arms of the giant of ice grew a man child and made together and foot with foot
02:01:53.040did the wise one fashion a son that six heads bore
02:01:59.360so i think again considering the value of words in relation to the audience we we know that
02:02:09.200this first by him saying you know how did he begat children if you never um you know had that's the
02:02:16.880female energy uh or the female um place so this immediately becomes abhorrent it's it's outside
02:02:25.680of the norm it's outside of the orderly way and it's even emphasized more with a son with six0.93
02:02:31.520heads again that kind of gasping factor of like ugh you know it just really emphasizes that this
02:02:38.240is not seen as something normal the um the you know androgynous re uh reprocreation of the self
02:02:47.780that emir does is not seen as something but it's seen as something primordial and off and and just
02:02:55.060again producing things of of such a deep fierce chthonic level and i think that our ancestors
02:03:01.980saw the jotnar as evolutionary beings as well that say for instance like fathrudnir
02:03:08.040is descended from this but not not as say you know viciously contorted as the predecessors of
02:03:19.220of his beings and so i think our ancestors saw the yotnar as kind of they were living beings
02:03:25.480they are living beings that refine themselves as they go but that these were the origins of these
02:03:32.580and some people have taken this in a lot of different ways i've i've heard people even say
02:03:37.460and I'm not discounting this at all. It's just interesting to think about is the idea that if
02:03:41.560Ymir and all Yelmer is the earth, um, that the begatting of, of these beings, the time of the0.95
02:03:48.680Yotans is, is the time in which, uh, life is kind of, again, forming, creating on, on the flesh,0.96
02:03:58.740coming out of the flesh of him. Um, but it is again, inconstant and in an ever fluctuating state.0.50
02:04:07.460And again, lends towards the monstrosity of it all. And I've heard people say like, this is kind of, they akin that to, again, the epochs of time before humanity, where we kind of see the climate of our planet suddenly grip down into a very tight thrum, whereas previously it was, you know, up and down and up and down. And I think that's, again, very, very interesting to think about.
02:04:37.460Um, you know, we move into, uh, 34 and the eighth question that Odin now gives.
02:04:56.880And again, there, there's a litany of questions that I believe they end up 14 in total.
02:05:01.140So I, worth mentioning, and Svon touched on this, but I think it's, a lot of the time, all right, what angle do I want to come at this at?
02:05:24.700So sick people look for things to justify their sickness, and they, aha, see, you know,
02:05:40.140they'll find bits of lore that contain
02:05:44.800illness the grotesque the ugly the unwhole and they'll latch on to those like aha see it was
02:06:01.700in the lore so it must be good completely negating that no that's the bad guys like
02:06:09.420just on the most simple level when you look at these things it's very clear when things are done
02:06:20.460in the right order and the result is beautiful and um obviously beneficial and spoken highly of
02:06:33.740and praised and celebrated or there's hideous deformed monsters that come about through
02:06:42.540you know asexual reproduction or there's you know the enemy of the gods who slays0.69
02:06:51.740or orchestrates the slaying of balder yeah he changes genders and gets uh mounted by a stallion0.80
02:07:02.220whenever you see perversion in our lore it's associated with that's what the bad guys do
02:07:12.700that's not what the good guys do and the most simple childish level this is not understood
02:07:20.940by people who don't read our lore honestly and i think that's worth just
02:07:29.820mentioning digesting having that in your pocket because i see over on the side you know there's
02:07:36.700a number of people that have um interactions with people claiming to be also true
02:07:45.180that you know are are far too woke for their own good and
02:07:53.820these are those bits of lore they pick up on as like strange anomalies
02:08:00.220the context is everything um when the villains do something that's saying it's bad
02:08:10.060when the heroes do something that tends to say that it's good those little points are
02:08:17.020very obvious to anybody who reads through them and actually looks at the story
02:08:21.980but i don't think the other you know i don't think that the unhealthy amongst us do that i
02:08:31.980think they look for anything they can latch on to and and that's something to think about
02:08:39.180yeah and you bring this up too because i can almost hear people trying to counter that well
02:08:44.060well they use the good things from from the the aberrant they use slept near they use you know
02:08:51.180gulen bursty they use gongnir they use mjolnir and again i think they're the point
02:08:58.700too is when we talk about catalystic divine and um or say divine powers utilizing catalystic
02:09:12.860spiritual beings and i'm speaking in reference to loki that these catalystic events happen
02:09:20.780and bear forth things that the gods use but they're missing the point that again i think
02:09:25.260the gods are stating that the continuance of doing this only begets to the end of creating
02:09:32.540a festering wound and i think that's the point of that they that they completely miss they try to
02:09:40.380say you know oh he does these things and he's the bad guy but they certainly benefit from his uh
02:09:46.300So, you know, degeneracy, and it's like, I think you're missing the point of the warning of that, is that if you continue to do that and gain benefit off of this catalystic nature that is against everything you're doing, it eventually breeds, you know, a problem that you're going to have to face in the long run.
02:10:17.260in 35 fathrudner then returns and he says winters unmeasured
02:10:27.980air earth was made was the birth of bear yelmer remember bear yelmer is the third of
02:10:37.420or the the second i should say of descendancy from all yelmer or emir the first knew i well
02:10:44.300when the giants wise in a boat of old was born and again this is referencing to the um
02:10:55.180birdie elmer the jotun escaping on a log um
02:11:01.660you know because they again using the the word boat they don't actually just
02:11:05.900straight translate that to boat but it's the floating um like losers yeah of
02:11:14.300I need to look at the meaning of that word before I say that.
02:11:23.340But I will say this much is that it's not said about.
02:11:27.920It's that he escapes with his wife, who is unnamed, on a piece of wood that in the deluge.
02:11:37.900And again, this really holds true to the mythos of the slaying of Ymir. When the slaying of Ymir is conducted, that does not completely cut off anything, but revamps everything down.
02:11:56.460So the Jotunar are boiled down to the singular. The Vanir are boiled down to the singular, the two. So in essence, the slaying of Ymir brings about the masculine and feminine pairing of the Alvar, the Dvergar, the Vanir, and the Jotunar.1.00
02:12:15.480and now they are brought into alignment and they have a masculine and feminine side and0.56
02:12:22.360you know whenever you hear that about bergelmer and his wife that's really what that is that
02:12:27.520the god smote the the incongruency of that and created masculine and feminine all the way around
02:12:43.000we're trucking right along um so as we move to 36
02:12:51.140othen speaks ninth answer me well if wise thou art called if thou knowest it far through the
02:13:01.400now whence comes the wind that fares over the waves yet never itself is seen
02:13:07.520uh this is funny you know because me and another gother were speaking about this over at ulster
02:13:14.060uh go uh go the mayo um uh fine gentleman who knows the stories very very well and so me and him
02:13:21.760kind of um going back and forth trying to figure out okay wait wait was what was it said in this
02:13:28.500one what was it said in that one and uh we helped each other out on this one um
02:13:33.880And Pfafferner speaks in 37, in eagle guise, at the end of heaven, Reisvelk sits, they say, and from his wings doth the wind come forth to move over the world of men.
02:13:55.780And that's an important detail I really placed in the cosmological picture that I had, you know, set up as part of the artwork is you can look closely over the horizon of Yardr of the Middle Guard.
02:14:14.280you see uh an eagle with flowing winds blowing from his from his wings and that is raised um
02:14:24.600the corpse corpse gulper i want to look it up right now but i i'm gonna i think so yes
02:14:37.080um which is another because again need all go to the the soul of emir that drips down into
02:14:46.120the nether is like nether corpse consumer so there's a lot of there as well but uh i can't
02:14:54.360quite and i want to look it up but i want to keep kind of going um so uh he sits and it says here
02:15:02.080air sitter our humans enda he sits on the edge of heaven
02:15:09.520jotun in our nerham in uh honor is an is a eagle and hum or hammer is the shape of
02:15:18.720the spiritual shape he sits he's a jotun who sits in eagle shape um
02:15:25.120And over all men, the winds come from his wings.
02:15:53.560And I've actually Easter egged a little bit of this at Njordshof. In the stories, when I speak about the war between the gods, I talk often about when they first send their emissary, Gulveri, they send her up.
02:16:12.540and that when she is cast out as he the shining one she falls from heaven and um i i did that
02:16:21.180because of this stanza in which um you know of of uh lord nyorder coming up to the gods and again
02:16:32.060the the usage of the word god and ausa or awesome is really important to understand here
02:16:39.100they're not saying that you know there is some different race they're not like people try to
02:16:44.220say that with the the vanir and the jotuns and all that it's no it's that he's not an
02:16:49.740ausa until he joins them and then he becomes an also um the uh
02:16:59.900you know the the whence came up north to the kin of the gods rich in temples and shrines he rules
02:17:06.220though of the gods he was not begot so he was again this is showing that strata of
02:17:11.020natural law and cosmic order between the ausir or the icier and the vanier um and that
02:17:20.060is speaking again of that alignment um and i mean the directionality here is really important as well
02:17:27.340So the Aesir, the gods of cosmic order, the gods that are so far above us and that inspire us upwards are juxtaposed with the Vanir that are Chthonic, that are more primal, that are more nature-based and fecundity.
02:17:57.340You know, primal strength, wisdom of old times, ancient wisdom, old things came up to these gods that are guiding us towards a glorious future and unite with them.
02:18:12.300So that's really kind of a special point as well.
02:18:21.320and i think it again that's why those points of directionality are very subtle
02:18:26.920but they reinforce things over and over again and i i kind of spoke of the that polarity when
02:18:34.440emir and the middle world is slain there are the four components that are created
02:18:40.600and they are given the masculine and the feminine um and i you know lord nyarther
02:18:46.760is the masculine element of the vanir um just like again being kind of spoken of just following
02:18:53.720after bear yelmer as being the masculine force or the the progenital masculine force of the yotnar
02:19:01.320um and that's where they they come from as kind of that and then again it's it's emphasized
02:19:07.240and i this is the easter egg um uh fathrudnar speaks he says in the home
02:19:15.560of the of the wains so a lot of people might be wondering what that means but the word in
02:19:21.880in the old north is vana hymy uh evanahami scope on this rain um in their kingdom uh is where he
02:19:34.520or in his in their creation in their home is where he comes from um
02:19:39.240um the uh the wanes is a uh an english like kind of lateral word you'll see it in some of the
02:19:48.900writings announced true with a they'll refer to the vanir as the wanes and the wanes has two
02:19:54.520meanings much like hairier uh one it can mean cyclical that which rises and falls and then
02:20:01.320rises again and it also means that which moves across or moves in a in a along a path um oftentimes
02:20:11.380a path that you know starts low zenith's high and then and then goes low again and um so the
02:20:19.840reiteration of why the the vanir and why i call them the the gods of natural order is that they
02:20:25.740are interconnected with the cyclical nature of the chthonic and um you know this is this is the
02:20:34.940good side aligning with the gods versus of course the otnar are not going to um align with the gods0.99
02:20:42.060because well they do some of them do but for the most part they're not because they remember
02:20:47.020And the origins of their, you know, their primordial origins being smote by order.
02:20:57.000And they don't take too kindly to that.
02:21:00.660So he says, in the home of the Waynes did the wise ones create him and gave him as a pledge to the gods.
02:21:08.660At the fall of the world, shall he fare once more home to the Waynes so wise?
02:21:13.820So another thing I've seen is like, you know, who survives Ragnarok? And there are two separate mentions. And this one is the mention of Lord Njordr and his daughter Freya. And that's where that little bit of lore comes from.
02:21:33.280I think that the recessing of the earthly elements is a good thing in the sense of Ragnarok, is that it's basically saying the element of life, the seed of life, and the ability to grow again is still maintained despite the great devastation.
02:21:51.900And whereas, I don't know, I've never heard anyone say this as kind of being like a bout of cowardice or anything in relation to the way it might be perceived.
02:22:02.720But Lord Njordr is that bountifulness of the earth, and for him to recede, to return again, shows a great sense of the idea of hope that there will be a material, a middle world return, as well as, again, like the spiritual return of Baldr and Nana.
02:22:24.840and it's it's fixing stuff one of the great cataclysms of ragnarok is that order between
02:22:36.400realms is broken the water is no longer restrained and it takes over the earth
02:22:43.120the seasons are out of whack all the things are disordered at the destruction of ragnarok
02:22:50.620this things going back towards their original order things returning to that ordered state
02:22:58.880it's a big part of it um one thing that i do want to mention uh chris i'm sorry it got overlooked
02:23:05.600earlier a gap in our system uh chris lucat uh donated ten dollars we appreciate that matt
02:23:13.940is fine bad is bad and good is good he had a question over in the chat to see if you know
02:23:19.220would still make sense of course it makes sense because it always makes sense that's a thing is
02:23:25.460anybody reading it fairly our our lore is not neutral also true is not neutral um this isn't
02:23:34.580a collection of things that exist it's things that exist in the context of struggle between
02:23:43.620order and chaos between right and wrong between what's healthy and what's unhealthy and bad is bad
02:23:53.220and good is good all right all right so uh 40th stanza
02:25:18.040Um, or they, they come, they sit together again.
02:25:22.820And, of course, the champions, the word here, of course, is Einherjar. And the Tunum is kind of seen as the area within or the area just without Valhall or Valhalla.
02:25:40.920And again, the Ein-Hir-Yar are the ones that ride forth in contention of battle and dissipate themselves and recollect themselves in purification to return back to the center of the Herier Father, which is his hall, Balhall.0.68
02:34:38.820in to the elves um and it is another haiti of them so you'll see it too like an alvis mall0.99
02:34:48.560you know what is the name of the of the sun in to the gods what is the name of the sun to the elves
02:34:54.120what is the name of the sun to mankind to to the dvergar and so on and so forth and um that is
02:35:01.920again another reference to it so bearing her forth she has and will take her mother's
02:35:09.680rightful path um but it is quite interesting that um
02:35:21.920the the the mentioning that soul as we referred to before and then afterwards the the name is not
02:35:30.720specified uh just says her mother's path um
02:35:38.000so uh in 48 uh much have i fared much have i found much have i got from the gods
02:35:46.960what maidens are they so wise of mine that forth over the sea shall fare
02:35:51.520this is of course lending into um uh yes this is an interesting one
02:36:04.480um the translation argument here on on the next stanza um
02:36:13.180so the reference to exactly who the maidens are has is up to speculation um
02:36:24.160um many people believe it to be the nornier or the norns um
02:36:32.740it's interesting because i and i right now i'm going to look it up as soon as we're
02:36:42.200as soon as i'm able to because it's the word more that i i know is thrasir or thrasis is of course
02:36:49.860the the the will to like leaf thraser is the will to or the the desire greatly desirous to live
02:36:57.300um fathrudner spake over mog thraser's hill and again this um in reference to
02:37:08.060uh perhaps either the the well of urd or mimers well the the shall the maidens pass and three
02:37:18.440are their throngs that come that all shall protect the dwellers on earth that they come
02:37:24.700of the giant's kin so again that reference to the giant's kin um makes again more of a lending
02:37:34.120towards, um, the, uh, the Nornir, uh, and Mugthraster's Hill again is, uh, in reference
02:37:43.520to, or at least some people speculate it is in reference to the well of Mimir, um,
02:37:51.980and I, you know, I had this whole thing too, I just remembered about this, and I, it is
02:37:57.700like written down, and I did not break it out for this, I didn't even think we were
02:38:01.620gonna get this far um the other uh conclusion of this though is that these are the the waters that
02:38:10.380recede the flames that is another uh speculation about this and why it's spoken of the maidens
02:38:16.200going over the ocean or over the sea is that this is where fate turns and the waters are brought
02:38:24.860forth to recede the flames of sorter to ref to uh wash the damage that has that has come
02:38:35.340um uh oh yes maugus is like sun uh desirous of suns or desirous of of suns now oh that's yes um
02:38:48.300Um, so Mogthrasir's Hill is, in my opinion, and this is, I just remembered it all, it's all just
02:38:56.440clicked, is the earth. Mogthrasir's Hill is the earth and Mogthrasir is humanity. The desirer of
02:39:05.040sons is the folk. That the desirers of the sons is the folk themselves. And they shall, the Mogthrasir's
02:39:15.320hill is the the middle world and over them shall pass and there in throngs they will come and they0.98
02:39:20.720shall protect the the generations of the of the folk and they come from the giant kin of course
02:39:28.040re-emphasizing that this is the nornir and their turn of fate um i know that a lot of people have
02:39:33.200taken this to mean mimir some have even taken it to mean heimdall um but i have always taken this
02:39:38.900to be a haiti for the earth because the, the desirer of sons is mankind or the folk of themselves.
02:39:50.860Um, but that is a, that is a great one to definitely look into. Um,
02:39:58.080in return in 50 uh odin spake much have i fared much have i found much have i got of the gods
02:40:11.920who then shall rule the realm of the gods when the fires of cert have sunk and that's again
02:40:19.240another reason why i bring up the point that when we talk about the the waves of um the maidens that
02:40:26.500pass over the earth of humanity they douse the flames is because this stanza that follows
02:40:32.900so it's again it's like well then who shall rule after these waves have you know returned
02:40:39.460the fate of man and the flames of ragnarok are are um subsided
02:40:48.260and that brings us into um you know the the last set of of stanzas we did the whole thing and
02:40:56.500only 11 38 that's around my time that's great okay so va through there speaks now into the
02:41:05.620future which is an interesting point because again it was kind of highlighted that the volva
02:41:10.820or the valla of the volas bow was the one who who knew the most of this but this is again
02:41:17.620the knowledge of the deep wise ones so this is really pinnacling into
02:41:22.820how wise fathrudnir is and he says in the home of the gods
02:41:31.060vidar and valley shall dwell when the fires of sert have sunk
02:41:39.580magni and mo or movi and magni shall mjolnir have when vignir falls in fault
02:41:52.820So, taking up in the halls of the gods, we have, again, the hierarchy is being established with Vidar and Vauli, Baldr and Nana, Magni and Modi.
02:42:10.620When their father falls, they shall pick up the hammer.
02:42:17.260And I think that's also an interesting point.
02:42:20.300I have always taken it that, I don't know to perhaps which, but I've always taken it that there's often a forgotten weapon of Thor, the iron rod, Gridevol, and Gridevol is the weapon wielded before the hammer.
02:42:40.440And that, you know, one would take one and one would take the other, and thus refilling in the great space in the vacuum of the Stormfather.
02:42:55.100And that's, again, why at Thor's Hoth, you will see Greedewald inside the strength belt of Lord Thor.
02:43:06.520so in the meantime um finn wraith donated 10 euro i was going to donate last week since the
02:43:21.240stream was a few days before my birthday but fell asleep so now i'm doing it well thank you very
02:43:28.360much and happy birthday we appreciate all you guys who donate and especially all you guys that
02:43:37.840are here every week that participate in the chat that ask questions that have many of you have been
02:43:44.300with us for episode 92 so that's a long while now appreciate you guys
02:48:20.540Then Odin speaks. 52. Much have I fared. Much have I found. Much have I got of the gods. What shall bring the doom, the death of Odin, when the gods of destruction go?
02:51:51.560So, I mean, it's pretty straightforward. What did, what was spoken by Odin, you know, to his son in the, in the Baal pyre. And that's kind of the hard stop. And I think poetically it's very fitting. And of course it's lending to other parts of the lore so that the poet can, you know, gain this, but it is absolutely that hard stop.
02:52:18.320And I've always kind of, whenever I tell this story, this is the part where Vathrudner, you know, is speaking in delight about the death of the Allfather.
02:52:27.860And he's like kind of haughty and laughing about it.
02:52:31.320And then Gangreather says, okay, well, what did he say in his ear, in Baller's ear?
02:52:38.860And that's when, because the premise of all of these questions is that you as a questioner should know the answer as well.