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00:07:01.960we did not make it very far into the text but that's okay uh we are we're here for the long
00:07:07.800haul this is you know this text is about a thousand years old so i don't think it's
00:07:15.880you know it's not like we got a particular time schedule on it and we would like to savor it and
00:07:23.320So we'll see where the discussion takes us, but we'll try to hit a little bit more of it tonight than we did a couple of weeks ago. If you guys will recall, I had to leave early last time because I was flying out to Ostara at Thor's office.
00:07:36.420um so we didn't have it in time to share it with you guys last time but if you guys can see
00:07:44.700the video and I don't know if Nick has a link or not I'm sure he'll throw something up if he finds
00:07:50.300it but there was a really really nice video about the event done by a member of ours Jace and with
00:07:57.340a musical number by a member Russ and it was really cool it was really well done and I think
00:08:06.040really encapsulated a very beautiful weekend so if you guys want to check that out when uh whenever
00:08:10.680we find it here find it yourself it's nice give it a look with there we go there's link because nick
00:08:20.680is on it um also so you guys can follow along the list bow.org is going to be where we are reading
00:08:33.640from that is an awesome source if you guys are if you guys are just joining us and you're not
00:08:39.400a frequent listener that's where swan and i are reading from when we're going through the eddas
00:08:44.680and uh we we did not do our due diligence and check to see if it was there but it's where we
00:08:51.640should have been reading ale saga from because it is also there and the saga we're reading tonight
00:08:57.400is there so it's a really neat site for lore and it's got the side by sides between the trance
00:09:03.640related version and the original old Norse so you can kind of cross-reference it's cool to get a feel
00:09:11.320for what the original language is like and it's also really informative the better you understand
00:09:15.940it to kind of check if something sounds funky and see what the original was because every now and
00:09:22.660again the translator gets a little gets a little loose with the translation um yeah so if you want
00:09:29.860follow along there and let me see i don't even recall exactly how far we made it last time
00:09:37.780through chapter four i thought i thought we were further on i thought that um but i again sometimes
00:09:46.660i read a little bit ahead i feel like we finished chapter four and that sounds right yeah we're about
00:09:54.660start chapter five definitely the pulling of um the sword that was taken out of uh bronze stock
00:10:04.340the the tree in the hall laurel then places it in there and then they pull it out
00:10:11.700or sigmund pulls it out and um begins the the legacy
00:10:17.620um it's because people it's because people get envious envy envy is the root of uh many and evil
00:10:29.480oh um i was gonna say uh uh sierra chapman in the in the chat she asked if you could plug the walk
00:10:38.680i don't know if you if if you did that or not i did not so the different half districts are doing
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00:11:15.240um i don't know if there is a rule about you know repping a half outside your district or not
00:11:21.880um so far nobody put a different half i'm just if they win you know that if that half district wins
00:11:30.280that off district wins if you put a special note we can try to we can try to make something
00:11:36.200different if you if you if you want to throw your money at a different half but we'll see
00:11:41.080um but yeah check that out um it's a good excuse to donate to one of the hoffs towards our icer
00:11:50.200and to get out and walk and get some exercise this spring
00:11:53.560ah with that it's fun do you have any notes for us at the top of the show or do you want to dive
00:12:00.920right in uh no other than just a little brief recap of um understanding about king volsung
00:12:09.720and his um coming into power um and the the semi-historical and semi-mystical lands um in
00:12:21.320which these are mentioned because predominantly these stories probably started in the migration
00:12:27.640area era during um wars in the east with the between the goths and attila the hun and by the
00:12:37.160time that it was formulated into a poem in the late uh nordic period or viking age um
00:12:44.760There had been layers added on and historical people become almost characters in the play as they are layered on.
00:12:57.960And it is given and presented to the audience as being recent.
00:13:10.160And so the audience would be listening to these and they oftentimes used broad term names for lands and that the audience might not have even knew where goth land was by the time that this story was recounted.
00:13:28.160um their ability to know these things were limited uh they didn't have the internet they
00:13:34.400didn't have voluminous amounts of uh literature and information so um the stories of the goths
00:13:43.440may not have been uh absolutely apparent as they are to us in relation to time
00:13:52.080um so just bearing that in mind and then also there is the clear parallel to the arthurian
00:14:01.440stories which again uh may lend to the fact that the arthurian legend of the pulling of the sword
00:20:00.980Chapter five of the slaying of King Volsung now tells the tale of King Volsung and his sons that they go at the time appointed to Gothland at the bidding of King Sigir and put off from the land in three ships, all well-manned, and have a fair voyage,
00:20:25.100and made goth land late of an evening tide so uh goth land and my reference when i was speaking
00:20:37.760of goth land is of course the kingdoms of the goth in the eastern europeans but gothland which
00:20:43.340is an island off the um uh east coast of sweden so not to uh i just wanted to emphasize that so
00:20:53.620people are like i thought you said they didn't really know where they're where that was um
00:21:00.980but that same night came signi and called her father and brothers for a private talk and told
00:21:08.500them that she deemed king singeer was minded to and how that he had drawn together an army
00:21:17.460no man may meet and says she he is minded to guilefully by you whereof i bid you get ye gone
00:21:29.460back again to your own land and gather together the mightiest power ye may and then come back
00:21:36.500hither and avenge you neither go ye now to your undoing for ye shall surely fail not to fall
00:21:46.020by his wiles if ye turn not on him even as i bid you so i think this is worth noting again too and
00:21:54.580we've mentioned this in the first is that the writing of and the translation of this story is
00:22:03.220very wordy very uh it's it's choppy to read and it's built more on theatrical
00:22:15.460well over meaning so the meaning can be very simple but there will be a great amount of
00:22:22.020dramatics placed upon it so she's basically saying that sigur is conniving against and will
00:22:34.580ambush them they're walking into a trap and that they shouldn't go
00:22:38.340but instead they should all go back and build their army um and then meet with him that they
00:22:46.100would have a better chance and would not be you know brought under his his um kind of trick if you
00:22:52.900will uh and then speaks volsung the king all people and all nations shall tell of the word i
00:23:02.180spake yet being unborn wherein i vowed a vow that i would flee in fear from neither fire nor sword
00:23:13.700even so have i done hithro and shall i depart there from now or shall i depart there from now
00:23:22.980i am old so he says i before i was even born i was bound by oath to never flee from fire or sword
00:23:32.180I've kept that oath my entire life, and you want me to back away now that I am an old man?
00:23:39.420Yea, with all, never shall the maidens mock these, my sons, at the games, and cry out at them that they fear death.
00:23:48.700So never will women be able to level the accusation of cowardice against him and his sons when they gather for the summer games.0.94
00:23:59.780again, this kind of gives a peek into the possibilities of the normalcy of women demanding0.51
00:24:08.180that the menfolk are strong and that they would scorn men who were unable to stand up or fight
00:24:19.320in their battles or ran. And he says, I will not have that happen.
00:24:23.780he says the maidens will not mock these my sons at the games and cry out at them that they fear
00:24:35.060death once alone men are messed must all men need need die and from that season shall none escape
00:24:43.900So my read is that we flee now whither, but do the work of our hands in as manly wise as we may.
00:24:55.800A hundred fights have I fought, and wiles I had more, and wiles I had less.
00:25:02.500And yet, even had I the victory, nor shall I ever be heard tell of me that I fled away or prayed for peace.
00:25:11.220so he uh he says that we none of us will escape death that our time is faded um and that our
00:25:23.560glory is only bent on our willing to attain and he says that by his read his read is his uh
00:25:32.720his counsel or his oathing his decree is that he will not flee and that he has had a hundred fights
00:25:41.760and he has faced cunning in great amounts and in little amounts that's what they meant by when he
00:25:49.580says the wiles um wiliness he faced wily and in multitude he's way faced wily's in small amounts
00:25:58.520He shall not stop, and he will never go down in history to be known as one who fled away from a fight or begged.
00:26:05.500I thought it was profoundly put that he vowed while still in the womb.
00:32:08.920dawning um and then she says don't don't let me go back and he says no
00:32:15.580you you were oathed in marriage go back and um you know stand to your oath no matter how
00:32:24.920this scenario fares with us so signi goes home and they abode there that night but in the morning
00:32:34.420as soon as it was day Volsung bade his men arise and go a land and make them ready for battle
00:32:41.880so they went a land all of them all armed and had not long to wait before Sigur fell upon them
00:32:48.560with all of his army so what she said is true he sends them up to get ready and
00:32:55.880sigur descends upon them uh and the and the fiercest fight there was betwixt them and sigur
00:33:06.340cried on his men to onset all he might and so the tale tells that king volsung and his sons
00:33:16.140went eight times right through sigur's folk that day smiting and hewing on either hand
00:33:23.980But when they would do so even once again, so there's eight, and then on the ninth, being a very significant number, King Volsung fell amidst the folk and all his men withal, saving his ten sons, for mightier was the power against them than they might withstand.
00:33:44.260And when they mean by he moves through their folk, the general idea, there's no horses probably in play at this with the fact that they were coming by ship, but more so formations, that these formations were moving.
00:34:04.560And for people who are interested in like ancient warfare, the idea of like the shield wall punching through, but in those times, it was very likely for these two armies to be anywhere between 30 and 300 men.
00:34:23.160and uh you could punch through especially the smaller unit would punch through and they it
00:34:30.200would break the opposing army but then they would reformulate on the other side and then it would
00:34:37.920turn and go again so it's far worse than say like what hollywood might make us think is is uh there's
00:34:46.520really no chance for you to go anywhere it's about plowing through the line and then having
00:34:52.600to turn around regroup figure out grab weapons and then continue on again of course the heroism
00:35:00.280and the absolute entertainment of the glory of this story that the audience is listening to
00:35:06.200is yes he goes through eight times but on the ninth time he is felled
00:35:11.560but now are all his sons taken and laid in bonds so they're the remaining sons are captured and
00:35:24.020are placed in chains and led away and signy was wherewithal that her father was slain and her
00:35:31.420brothers taken and doomed to death that she called king sigur apart to talk with her and said
00:35:37.360this will I pray of thee that thou shalt let thou shall let not slay my brothers hastily but
00:35:46.700let them be set a while in stocks for home to me comes this the saw that says sweet to eye while
00:35:56.860seen but longer life I pray not for them because I want well that my prayer will not avail me
00:36:04.180so she asks him to not execute them right away but she also says that she does not wish for them
00:36:13.580to stay in bond too long but that she wishes wishes to reminisce of of their sight before
00:36:23.940they are taken away um and she says unfortunately i don't think you're going to heed my request
00:36:31.440and he answers in return surely thou art mad and witless praying thus for more bail for thy
00:36:41.000brothers than their present slaying so in essence why why are you asking for them to be in bonds
00:36:48.640and imprisoned longer when i could put them down now and they would not suffer
00:36:55.920uh yet this is this i will grant thee for the better it likes me the more they must bear
00:37:03.620and the longer their pain is or or ever death come to them so the only reason why he's keeping
00:37:11.300them in bondage and keeping them um imprisoned is because he takes a greater joy and that death
00:37:18.620would be an escape for them now he let it be done even as she prayed and a mighty beam was brought
00:37:28.320and set on the feet of those 10 brethren in a certain place of the wild wood there they sit
00:37:35.620day long until night but at midnight as they sat in the stocks there came on them a she-wolf from
00:37:43.600the wood now this part of the story folks is when it gets really interesting and the connection of
00:37:50.800the wolf songs in relation to the wolf wear and or the wolf strap or the ulvi ulvi there's a lot of
00:38:03.200that layered in this part of the story um but in reality too let's look at it this way they take
00:38:14.400them out there and place them in stocks in the woods in the wilds out there to be victimized by
00:38:22.160the wild bears wolves etc um and that's the intention but the story begins to shift and take
00:38:33.200some of the more mythical parts to all of this and some could say it was this is the part where
00:50:48.900the christians or the jews living in the hellenistic world see and experience a phenomenon
00:51:00.220that's the name they ascribe to it based on elements of their understanding and it gets
00:51:06.920applied differently as medieval times go on and the conception of what that word means
00:51:12.780might vary but we should never get the word confused with what it describes and i say that
00:51:25.500to say a number of things i think we do this with runes a lot
00:51:30.060yes colloquially to talk about runes we're talking about the stick drawings on a piece of wood or a
00:51:36.780rock i get that but fundamentally that's not the rune that is the sigil of the rune the rune is
00:51:44.780the mystery that that sign conveys so it's just like when we talk about the gods it's really
00:51:53.340informative and really important to break down what their name means because that tells you
00:51:59.340what our ancestors so closely linked them with as to apply that name to them
00:52:07.900they aren't that that is a way of understanding them they are a person that is beyond that that
00:52:14.700our ancestors adorned with that name because that was their best way to understand them but to limit
00:52:21.420beings and phenomenon to the name that ancient people assigned to them is to put on blinders to
00:52:30.820bigger implications um if some you know jewish desert spirits wanted to interact with us badly
00:52:41.980yeah we might call them trolls or troll wives or something else whereas the hebrews might call0.93
00:52:50.320them something completely different, it doesn't negate that there's a bad spiritual force from0.99
00:52:57.580somewhere trying to interact negatively with you, be it some, you know, African ooga-booga
00:53:03.600hoodoo demon at you or whatever it might be. Whatever you call it doesn't negate its existence0.98
00:53:11.820and its potency. So we should look for the, there's probably a really cool philosophical
00:53:19.620term for what I'm trying to say, but we should look for the reality beyond the name, the
00:53:29.860reality beyond the simple expression to fully think about the truth of something.
00:53:37.520And I think that while we're on the note of negative spiritual forces arrayed against
00:53:48.500us. I think we always do ourselves well to consider those things in a logical way and not to react out
00:54:01.220of fear. Anytime something is looking to take advantage of people, they looked for the most
00:54:07.840easy targets. They look for soft targets. They look for victims. And in a lot of ways, on this
00:54:15.400side of the veil or the other, those forces most easily target people who are afflicted with fear.
00:54:22.740If you have courage and you are confident in your own efficacy and your living right,
00:54:29.560you are in a optimal position to resist those forces. If you build a good relationship with
00:54:36.520your ancestors, with the Aesir, and with your Filgya, you have forces on the other side
00:54:42.540looking out for you and helping you in that struggle so don't ever feel powerless to to
00:54:49.900those forces and those things it's not the case um and the other thing i was going to say is
00:54:55.300we do ourselves a disservice when we try to compare our lore with other religions is this
00:55:02.560if there's a one for one like who is our devil figure it says we have to have a devil figure
00:55:08.240We don't. I reject that. Loki's not like anybody else. Loki's like Loki. And Loki is bad. And the enemy of the Aesir, the betrayer of the All-Father, the slayer, the architect of the slaying of Balder and of bringing misery to every little thing, every living thing besides himself, literally.
00:55:31.760And that said, we stand firmly and resolutely against him now and forever.0.97
00:55:38.240uh the um the comparison of nomenclature when um white horse ostrich was talking about like
00:55:47.580the um the different types of daemons that would be there's evil daemons and non-evil and and and
00:55:56.200and so on and so forth it reminds me very much of what we would the confusion that we get with
00:56:01.320word alvar alvar are always the complete synthesization of whatever's in front so alios
00:56:10.920alvar is a being of light a svart alvar is a being and when we speak of svar that we have to
00:56:20.760understand what that means is sooty and grimy gritty like the like the earth and and like coal
00:56:28.440and like rock and doc alvar are alvar of the darkness they have taken the path of hell's road
00:56:38.280so these beings coming back i think alvar gets a lot of confusion and that's why i think
00:56:45.720daemon gets a lot of confusion but trolls certainly are
00:56:49.960uh sometimes i you know even the word thurser is thrown around and i think that the one problem
00:56:58.840with that is even though thurser i think is a good word to possibly use and may be actually
00:57:05.320the origin of the word troll um snorty uses the word thurser um i think a little too liberally
00:57:15.960just to exclaim anything that is not of the gods and that is where it gets um strange and that
00:57:25.960causes some confusion if when when uh booty is licked from the ice and then urged to go northward
00:57:35.080to live amongst the jotens that live there he refers to them as rim sir sir and that would then
00:57:43.960imply that they were somehow dastardly and terrible but amongst them booty takes a wife0.91
00:57:53.000so um and has a child with them so i think that the word thurser i do understand its etymology
00:57:59.240is really really historically good and correct but its usage throughout i think was misunderstood
00:58:06.120the word jotin in general i think snorty was applying um because it fit the gap that he needed
00:58:16.600um to fill so but um yeah any of this stuff here at the end you know is that she you know took to
00:58:24.360the likeness by trolls lore and witchcraft so the essence that i think a lot of folks need to
00:58:33.480understand there's people out there who will try to convince you that saver magic is some sort of
00:58:39.560evil magic um and just broad stroke it as evil um however it was clearly seen that there was good
00:58:50.840and bad there was uh saver in usage for good things and there was the ability to use saver
00:58:58.680in bad ways and more distinctly right here is that the troll the outlandish the east
00:59:07.080that the east representing that which is outside of the bounds of humanity of the folk and of the
00:59:14.440world um formulating themselves um as they did in vengeance against the gods and against mankind
00:59:24.600uh these trolls uh riding wolves and another thing too that people might be wondering is
00:59:30.120like why are they always women and it's because the troll male was seen as the brutalistic force
00:59:39.640the projection the crushing the the the rock throwing and just aggression whereas the troll
00:59:50.920witch or the the the feminine troll did not work in outright willful but in ways of twisting fate
01:00:01.240and um guile utilizing more uh passive or receptive forms and that that applies
01:00:10.360it's like when you play the video game the the barbarian is a dude and the the sorcerer is a
01:00:17.000chick until we got to more twisted modern degenerate times honestly that is that is a
01:00:24.360common theme and this goes into a question we will answer another question i promise we will
01:00:28.440get through more than one chapter an hour uh or we will endeavor to but um
01:00:35.560the other question is that uh odin is a god of magic what kind of magic is he a god of um
01:00:43.400Um, that comes into this. So, so many things are based on context.
01:00:53.200There, you know, we talk about good or bad Sather. I think that really depends on who's doing what to whom.
01:01:02.700Um, you can certainly use Sather to just victimize well-meaning noble people for no good reason, but your own malevolent delight.
01:01:13.400um but you can also do it to protect and look out for noble people doing noble things or to try to
01:01:24.280act against you know vile and evil persons uh or you could just be on the other team than somebody
01:01:32.120else and if they've got you know safe kona doing things to you and you have safe kona countering
01:01:38.760those things and doing things to them doesn't always have to be a bad guy magic is a tool to
01:01:44.880accomplish an ends and that ends can be motivated out of good things or bad things or just conflicting
01:01:51.480things but we do need to be fair-minded when talking about that it does bring us to the
01:01:57.440all-father and what he's a magic of or what he's what magic he is the master of and a great we have
01:02:06.140we have broken down the concept of magic over the years in the west through arcane circles but also
01:02:19.260through nerd circles and anything else into a variety of different things we see him being the
01:02:28.120master of a great many types of magic of runic sigil magic of galder magic of saver magic of
01:02:40.900uh necromancy um i think that if i went through
01:02:48.060if i went through like the the player's handbook i could probably find other magical things that
01:02:56.280you know a divinatory magic um he seeks to know all of the magics and that's kind of
01:03:05.400writ large the story of the all father is finding not just the surface wisdom
01:03:13.800of the nine worlds but also the subtle wisdom um swan do you have anything to add on that
01:03:20.340yeah no i was gonna say that's the theme like what you had said is to know all the magics
01:03:26.220And, you know, we could we could classify and, you know, we have to take into a realization of the way our ancestors hearing the stories that, you know, he's accused of doing strange things or partaking in strange ritual or stirring up strife with magic.
01:03:52.040um it is a tool and the people that try to say that say their magic is evil and runic magic is
01:04:01.180good or something of that nature they're trying to create a dichotomy that isn't really supported
01:04:06.760in lore uh you know we do see in the sagas that runes are utilized they they went to a woman
01:04:13.600she carves runes into driftwood and throws it out and she or she walks around the driftwood
01:04:20.240thrice in widershin throws the wood out it drifts to an enemy or the the man that asked this rune
01:04:27.680woman to do it drifts to an enemy that enemy's going out and using his axe to chop it into
01:04:34.560firewood hits his knee he becomes sick and thus the rune magic works in which fate happens that
01:04:43.120way um and then we also see like an ale saga where carving the wrong runes um causes woe um
01:04:54.640so yeah these tools are are utilized and i think our ancestors um did understand the difference
01:05:02.560between projected will and receptive power receptive power has the ability to take the
01:05:10.000universe in and kind of pull the strings whether it's a dc or a nornier and nornier means which
01:05:19.840the twisting of fate and of these things that's very receptive whereas the masculine is projection
01:05:25.760forward and anytime anything went against or around that in some strange way um it could be
01:05:32.480leveled especially as an accusation as we spoke about in in uh how about where lord thor accuses
01:05:39.760harbarth of practicing uh satir with these troll witches um another thing too is that they would
01:05:47.600often kind of equate troll witchery without landing ideas or outlandish ideas so a lot of0.77
01:05:55.680times the the nordic folk would look at the fins the fins were seen as a people who were adept in
01:06:02.960strange magics um and so the accusation that i think that was laid in um ale's saga when um
01:06:14.400or certainly in in uh eric the blood axe his wife being trained by fins in troll magic so there is a
01:06:22.480lot of that there too it's it is partially a snapshot into the glimpse or a snapshot into
01:06:31.120the history of our folk and the way that they classified and created hierarchy but it's also
01:06:39.520excitement of the story and building and i think this needs to be said too
01:06:44.800when we're talking about diverse types of magic there's
01:06:53.520there's levels of there's a lot of different things under the umbrella of saver
01:07:01.120What is effeminate about it is when what you are doing is opening yourself up to become a vessel for another consciousness to act through.
01:07:17.160The idea of you giving up control and you taking the passive role in that to where you are, to be blunt, where you are allowing something else to enter you and to possess you in that way is inherently effeminate and the female role in the way that the world works.1.00
01:07:44.080you know there's indies and outies in the world and that's that way for a reason when you are0.92
01:07:50.440projecting will that is inherently masculine when you are a vessel for the projection of another's1.00
01:07:58.240will that is inherently feminine and taken to the point where you are being taken under control by
01:08:06.360another entity that's that's very much a feminine thing and whereas that's concerned we do see it
01:08:15.520used you know as a an accusation of ergi uh for for guys to do that but there's other things to
01:08:24.220where you were doing divination through that or you were you know trying to receive messages from
01:08:32.300the other side there's a difference between you know grandpa telling you something in a dream
01:08:40.640versus grandpa overtakes you and you speak as grandpa in a seance not to be silly but it
01:08:48.320illustrates two very similar phenomenon but expressed in a very very different mechanism
01:08:55.000one of which is typically masculine the other is typically feminine
01:09:00.080it's fun where are we at chapter six so at this point um we now know that signi who is
01:09:14.180volsung's daughter and has has wedded the uh the now the enemy king um has lost her father
01:09:24.260and all of her brothers save one sigmund sigmund rips the tongue out of a wolf and now he's loose
01:09:33.580in sigur's kingdom and we will see now how that how this develops between uh her sister being
01:09:44.120or his sister being in the kingdom and him now loose and out and he is uh in the wild
01:11:19.760And they take counsel in such wise as to make a house underground in the wild wood.
01:11:29.280And again, this is another symbolic point about the barrow for the living, the groundhouse, the place in which they're hiding out as an earth mound that we will also see again its significance.
01:11:48.760significance but she her brother and her create this mound in order to hide
01:11:56.280because they're still living in the lands of the king sigir um and there is still one volsung
01:12:04.680remaining and so things go on a while signy hiding him there and sending him such such things as he
01:12:13.720needed but king sigur deemed that all the volsungs were dead go to bed um so he's determined they're
01:12:25.080all gone but secretly this is not the case and vengeance looms in the woods now sigur had two
01:12:34.760sons by his wife whereof it is told that when the eldest was 10 winters old sigmy sends him to
01:12:44.120sigmund so that he might give him help if he would in any any wise strive to avenge his father so the
01:12:52.680youngling goes to the wood and comes late in the evening tied to sigmund's earth house and sigmund
01:12:59.240welcomed him seemly in fashion and said that he should make ready their bread but i said he will
01:13:06.920go and seek firewood therewith he gives a meal bag into the hands while he himself goes to fetch fire
01:13:15.720when he came back the youngling had done not at the bread making and then asks sigmund if the
01:13:21.480bread be ready so he tasks him and the child didn't make the bread but had the you know audacity to
01:13:33.240say when's the bread ready and this is again another point being told to the audience this
01:13:40.440child sigur's kids uh even though it's this is signi's children as well they are
01:13:50.360unable to do a simple task this is uh again a kind of sign of um
01:13:58.840appulence or disrespect or basically usefulness they're completely useless and expect everything
01:14:07.720and it would be setting the tone for the audience um
01:14:15.480says the youngling i durst not set hand on the meal sack because somewhat quick lay in the meal
01:14:23.400now sigmund deemed that he wanted that the lad was of no such heart as that he would
01:14:28.760be famed to have him for his fellow so he's determined that this child of sigur and his0.84
01:14:36.920sister is of low worth and when he met his sister sigmund said that he had come no nigher to the aid0.96
01:14:44.840of a man though the young league were with him then signi said take him then and kill him for0.95
01:14:51.240why should such one live any longer and even so he did so this winter wears in the winter uh next
01:14:59.240winter signi sent her next son to sigmund and there is no need to make a long tale thereof
01:15:05.880for in likewise went all things and he slew the child by counsel of sigmi
01:15:12.200and again this is in reference to the nature of sigir um
01:15:20.360that also being that sigir is the slayer of her father and her brothers and so in essence once that
01:15:31.800that the slaying and revenge is called upon this is extending that revenge um
01:15:41.880it is again a very very brutal part of the story well and you guys might note yes this is also
01:15:50.880kinslaying it gets really i try to reiterate this as often as i can the biggest lament amongst our
01:16:00.880fold is strife amongst kinsmen because you can't exact your vengeance on the other team
01:16:09.120so every act of vengeance that you do if it's an inter-family feud
01:16:16.160weakens your family there is every single act in vengeance that you're supposed to take care of
01:16:24.000just keeps digging you deeper in the hole so you have an obligation to avenge the only people you
01:16:33.120can take your vengeance on are people who share a hymenia with you and who share a blood tie with
01:16:39.840you so it's a a true tragedy amongst our folk when you have that amongst kinsmen because there's no
01:16:47.760nobody wins you try to rebalance the scales and some stuff has to happen but that's another thing
01:16:54.880to keep in mind the the taboo and not in its casual sense but in the actual meaning of the
01:17:05.280taboo against kinslaying isn't absolute but it is very significant like there are times where
01:17:13.440you've got to be the one to do it you know if you have somebody in your family that's got to go i
01:17:19.840suppose better you do it than somebody else in a way there's circumstances where you clean up your
01:17:25.440own backyard there are circumstances where he's killing a nephew to avenge a father and it's it's
01:17:35.680all bad but sometimes when there's a vengeance over writing kinslaying
01:17:44.480you have two very important very important principles very important taboos
01:17:50.880that butt up against each other and the protagonists of our sagas very often have to make
01:17:56.640make the choice of you know the best of two evils and uh that's on display here in a particularly
01:18:12.960well in chapter seven we come now to the birth of sin fealty the son of sigmund
01:18:20.240so on a tide it befell as signy sat in her bower that there came to her a witch wife
01:18:30.700exceedingly cunning and signy talked with her in such wise0.89
01:18:36.580fain am i says she that we should change semblances together she says even as thou wilt then
01:18:48.140And so by her wiles, she brought it about that they changed their semblances, and now the witch wife sat in Signy's place, according to her read, and goes to bed by the king that night, and he knows not that he has other than Signy beside him.
01:19:11.240but the tell tells of signi that she fared to the earth house of her brother and prayed him
01:19:20.880give her harboring for the night as the witch as the uh saith corner as the as the um
01:21:03.820a fair woman she seemed to him but when they are full then he says to her that he is right
01:21:10.780fain that they should have but one bed that night she no wise turned away therefrom and so for three
01:21:19.280nights together he laid in her uh he laid in her bed by him so he said alas there's only one place
01:21:27.020to sleep um and she did not reject this so they slept thereafter she fared home and found the
01:21:37.100witch wife and bade her change their semblances again and she did so now as time wears signy
01:21:46.740brings forth a man child who was named sin guilty and when he grew up he was both big and strong
01:21:55.560and fair of face and much like unto the kin of the volsungs he was hardly yet ten winters old
01:22:02.260when she sent him to Sigmund's earth house now if anybody can see this is again a culmination0.96
01:22:09.040there there is already bad stuff going on as kinslayers must fight amongst each other
01:22:17.980and so there is a tragic air throughout this entire story however there's also a point of0.99
01:22:26.120sigir's children are half volsung and they're worthless she's about to send
01:22:32.840the full volsung and his condensement as the volsung line is supposed to be gone0.98
01:22:39.720he is now holding two scoops of volsung yes so there is a lamenting tragedy and
01:22:49.960the audience would be again it doesn't need to be said incest is bad
01:22:55.480yes this is by no means if your dad if your dad is super cool that doesn't mean you and your sister
01:23:04.280should enhance that right um that's one of the things about this i think that
01:23:14.680when reading this it's important to know there's no implication here that this is
01:23:22.520i don't know what the right word to use is so in other scripture the
01:23:35.880all of the characters within it that are protagonists are often
01:23:42.760looked at as faultless or don't do anything wrong or as moral exemplars
01:23:48.520it's not always the case in our sagas our sagas talk about very flawed people that do messed up
01:23:55.720things sometimes there's an element of
01:24:00.840the story is about the heroism and you can see in the stories where something rises to greatness
01:24:10.760but it doesn't have the air of perfection to it and it wasn't meant to that's not
01:24:17.620how the world is experienced um that's not how our ancestors experienced the world
01:24:25.400these aren't though this takes place in a in a semi-mythical time period in you know the golden
01:24:33.080age of distant past when when we have these stories that are part history and part legend
01:24:42.360writ large it's not to say that like yeah if you don't like your spouse then you should off your
01:24:51.320kids you know if you need super good stock then you should double up incestuously or whatever else
01:25:00.280and i say that it's kind of there's a chuckle to it but but i mean that there's no
01:25:06.360there's no holy writ that says the line of the Volsungs is without sin or without wrongdoing
01:25:14.400that's just not how our lore works heroes and you know even people who rise to a holy status
01:25:24.300are not perfect people perfect people don't exist
01:25:28.020but they are heroes and the story of the realness of life and how that shapes out
01:25:37.360is very much an element of our lore like we've said on this show a number of times
01:25:42.660it would be a lot easier if all of our heroes were perfect if everything was a hundred percent
01:25:49.420this and zero percent that and every single decision was black and white it's not black
01:25:55.160white very much exist with an aussitru but there is also and more often shades of gray in the world
01:26:02.680that we have to navigate with our will as arian people as noble people with the ability to make
01:26:10.280choices and bear consequences of choices we make and that makes life a bit more messy but it tells
01:26:17.240real story with real relation yeah heroes without fault are made up or certainly
01:26:29.080the truth is withheld and what we are told is made up um
01:26:38.760and this is a bunch of questions stacking and i think they're good questions but we're going to
01:26:43.720read a little bit more through here before we start hitting the questions hard so if you have
01:26:48.440a question in the queue stay with us we will definitely be answering all of those this evening
01:26:55.080and this next part here is just a brief kind of
01:27:01.400snippet that is interesting and and again can everyone here should be considering like
01:27:06.440the audience and how they hear this of the time and um i just i found this part very interesting
01:27:12.680so now as time wears on sigmy brings forth the man child who is and she tells him at 10 winters
01:27:21.280old to go to sigmund's earth house but this trial she made of her other sons or ever she had sent
01:27:28.020them to sigmund that she had sewn gloves or her previous children she sewed gloves onto their
01:27:36.140hands through the flesh and skin so at the spot where it covers the hand and goes to the wrist
01:27:44.360she sewed them on through their skin and they had borne it ill and cried out there at and this
01:27:54.660she now did to sin filthy he changed his countenance in no wise there at
01:28:02.140then she flayed off the kirtle so that the skin came off with the sleeves so she pulled them off
01:28:11.700and where they were sewn bits of skin came at the sewing seam and said that this would be torment
01:28:20.780enough for him but he said full little would volsung have felt such a smart as this so in essence
01:28:30.660She does the very same test of their countenance and his mothers, the children of Sigur and Signy, they cried out.
01:28:44.320But Sinfulty says, no, my grandfather would never have flinched at such a tiny slight as this.0.84
01:28:57.280So we're already starting to see that the whole point of all of this going on is to show the concentration of the Volsung line and the removal of Sigir, both physically, spiritually, and, well, genetically.
01:29:18.180The line is removing this, and the advocation for her to marry Sigir is kind of buried now. It's gone.0.92
01:29:27.280with the birth of sin fealty and the Volsung line is now back up and ramped in terminator mode0.84
01:29:36.620of a vengeance because he obviously knows his and views his grandfather Volsung as
01:29:42.960a great hero and king and that he would not flinch so I will not flinch
01:29:48.740so the lad came to sigmund and sigmund bade him to knead the bread for their meal while he goes
01:29:57.780to fetch firewood so he gave him the meal sack and then went out into the wood and by then he
01:30:03.700came back sinfulty had made an end of his baking then asked sigmund if he had found nothing in the
01:30:10.840meal i misdoubted me that there was something quick in the meal when i first felt an eating of
01:30:18.500But I have kneaded it all up together, both the meal and that which is therein, whatsoever it was.
01:30:26.840Then Sigmund laughed out loud and he said,
01:30:30.060Not will thou eat of this bread tonight, for the most deadly of worms hast thou kneaded up wherein.
01:30:38.060So, at this point, the trial, the test, is that he gives them this task.
01:30:46.060he goes to get the firewood and they um he needs up the dough while he's doing this but there's a
01:30:55.020caveat that the dough is filled with serpents and the poisonous serpents which he refers to as worms
01:31:06.540so a lot of people in the modern audience might say like like maggots or something like that no
01:31:13.180snakes he hid snakes inside the flour and as he pulled them out they could have bit him and he
01:31:21.980still proceeded to grind them up and turn them into bread so again another legendary form of
01:31:33.820kind of passing through the threshold and emphasizing to the audience of our ancestors
01:31:39.500that the volsungs were it was kind of mystical power that he could just instead of he endured0.96
01:31:47.580the poison or or simply just moved past it and ground them up with the with the wheat as well
01:39:04.460rudolph comes from the old Norse uh well there's it's an older name than that but the old Norse
01:39:12.560name equivalent to Rudolph is growth off which means famous wolf and how does a wolf get famous
01:39:21.500by killing by killing the livestock by killing the folk so it's a it's a kind of a
01:39:28.160heavy and and and uh very strong aggressive name um to be a famous wolf if you will so he's saying0.57
01:39:39.900as we go you will become famous never take more than seven men or you will be got
01:39:48.600now each goes his way and when they are parted sigmund meets certain men and gives forth a wolf's
01:39:54.940howl and when sin filthy hears it he went straight away thereto and slew them all and once more they
01:40:02.500parted but air sin filthy was fared long through the woods eleven men meet him and he wrought in
01:40:11.680such wise that he slew them all and was a wearied therewith and crawls under an oak and there takes
01:40:20.720his rest then came sigmund thither and said so this whole part is they are wolves they are in
01:40:28.320wolf shape and he says don't fight seven men more than seven men and 11 show up and he does fight
01:40:36.580them but he is not grievously injured but he is injured and he goes and crawls under the the the
01:40:44.260roots of an oak tree and um there sigmund comes in wolf form as well and says why didst thou not
01:40:54.260call on me sin filthy said i was loath to call for thy help for the slaying of 11 men
01:41:04.100then sigmund rushed at him so hard that he staggered and fell and sigmund bit him in the
01:41:09.540throat now that day they might not come out as of their wolf skins but sigmund lays the
01:41:16.420other on his back and bears him home to the house and cursed the wolf gears and gave them to the
01:41:26.180trolls so they have gone through this series of days doing as they do and he's angry at his son
01:41:40.500for not calling out to help fight his son is still young and brash and so he bites him about the neck0.96
01:41:46.500and i always took this to mean as he he chokes him out of consciousness and then throws him on his
01:41:54.820back and runs to the earth and house where they then take back the human shape and he takes the
01:42:03.620skins and gets rid of them or or back to the men that were living in the house who were actually
01:42:11.300trolls you know at this point it's it's more of what the purpose of what's what's going on
01:42:16.900this transitional threshold that these two have kind of passed through now on a day he saw where
01:42:25.140where two weasels went and how that one bit the other in the throat and then ran straight away
01:42:31.780into the thicket and took up a leaf and laid it on the wound and therein his fellow sprang up quite
01:42:38.740clean and whole so sigmund went out and saw a raven flying with a blade of that same herb to him
01:42:46.900so he took it and drew it over sinfield sinfield these injuries and he straight away sprang up as
01:42:53.780whole as though he had not been hurt thereafter they went home to their earth house and abode
01:43:01.460there till the time came for them to put off the wolf shapes and they burnt them with the fire
01:43:08.740and prayed that no more hurt might come of any of them from them but in the uncouth guys they
01:43:15.940wrought many famous deeds in the kingdom and the lordship of king sigir so kind of a double backing
01:43:24.260there because they do say they get rid of it through the trolls but then kind of while they're
01:43:29.140in wolf shape they see these weasels the weasel places uh herb charm on another weasel's throat
01:43:36.180again mimicking kind of them and then he sees a raven utilizing the same herb
01:43:42.180so he takes that applies it to his son and his son is healed but during that time and even they
01:43:50.980know this is too far gone this is too they have the power of being wolf in skin but it
01:44:00.020the the power the rage all of that is too strong for them it's
01:44:04.580it's not good it's ultimately going to consume them and they know this so they burn the skins
01:44:12.180Now, when Sinfjolte has come to a man's estate, so he's come to be a full-grown man.0.89
01:44:27.340And again, bearing that in mind, too, historically, our ancestors considered manhood right about 13 to 15 years old was the general consideration of that.
01:44:40.980So Sinfuelty now comes to a man's estate or full age, and Sigmund deemed he had tried him fully, and or ever a long time has gone by, he turns his mind to the avenging of his father Volsung.
01:44:57.700if so it may be brought about so on a certain day the twain get them gone from their earth house and
01:45:08.200come to the abode of king Sigur and lay or late in the evening so now it's starting to happen
01:45:15.360in essence this is the training he needs he is a wolf waiting for vengeance he now has
01:45:22.620what he believes is Sigur's son as a wolf with him in vengeance um which has its own poetic0.54
01:45:31.080um kind of revenge getting your getting your enemy's son to help you kill him
01:45:38.380um not knowing that it's not his enemy's son um but they now have decided okay I've long thought
01:45:46.800about the vengeance. I now have someone, I can't do it alone. I have you. So now we go. And they
01:45:53.720go to the abode of King Sigur late in the evening and they go into the porch before the hall,
01:45:59.860wherein, wherein, uh, wherein where turns of ale, tons of ale, uh, are there, they lie hidden.
01:46:09.520So the porch is misleading. It's, it's more of a, like the entryway, a foyer or a mudroom,
01:46:16.200But it's also worth noting that these places were often lower structurally than the rest of the hall.
01:46:24.520And so a lot of the cold air that blew in would gather there.
01:46:28.700And this was a perfect place to keep the ale.
01:46:32.360The ale would be placed, and the word tons, T-U-N, is giant barrels.
01:46:39.020So the ale is in giant barrels in this lower foyer mudroom.
01:46:43.900And they go in there and they hide in amongst the barrels, waiting for their moment.
01:57:14.980now they are both together oh sorry they're both together loose and um they cut through the stone
01:57:22.420and through the iron and they bring themselves out thereof and when they go home to the hall
01:57:27.380when as all men slept there and bear wood to the hall and lay fire therein and with all the folk
01:57:34.560therein are waked by the smoke and by the hall burning over their heads so he puts them in the
01:57:42.740stone and iron cage buries it in the earth and by that night simply because signi had placed food
01:57:51.900and her father's sword that was pulled from barnstock they cut it open they come out they
01:58:01.120go back and they light the hall on fire and everyone starts waking up and the king cries
01:58:06.580out who kindled this fire i burn with all and from outside here am i says sigmund with the sin
01:58:15.020fealty my sister's son and we are minded that thou shalt not uh what well that all the vol songs
01:58:23.580are not yet dead and um i have not seen this series in its entirety i've only seen bits and
01:58:32.780pieces but this absolutely reminded me of a scene in game of thrones i think where um the youngest
01:58:39.540of the uh um winter fell family or uh though the ones up in the north she says you know
01:58:49.880one still remains and and cuts this guy's throat and i was like oh they got that straight from
01:58:56.240the Volsunga saga. But yes, he says, you know, I wish you to know the reason why you're burning
01:59:04.280alive is because you failed to kill the last of the Volsungs. Then he bade his sister come out1.00
01:59:13.720and take all good things at his hands and great honor and fair atonement in that wise for all
01:59:19.520her griefs. But she answered, take heed now and consider if I have ever kept Sigur in memory
01:59:27.700and his slaying of Volsung the king, I let slay both my children whom I deemed worthless for the
01:59:37.140revenging of our father. And I went into the wood to thee in a witch's wife's shape. And now behold,0.97
01:59:45.740Sin-fuelty is the son of thee and I both, and thereof has he this so great hardihood and fierceness, in that he is the son of both Volsung's son and of Volsung's daughter, and for this and for naught else have I so wrought, that Sigur might get his bane at last.0.75
02:00:07.960and all these things that I have done that vengeance might fall upon him
02:00:12.620and that I too might not live long and merrily now I will die with King Sigir
02:00:26.980So kind of tragic in that sense I think of her ultimately kind of being bid to wed Sigir
02:00:34.740but at that time it wasn't a matter of vengeance it was a matter of building truce
02:00:42.500but Sigur was a craven man and when he saw the sword go to Volsung he wanted it and created war
02:00:50.280despite the fact that his wife was Volsung's daughter um but she ends she sees him to death
02:01:00.420completely that the vengeance will be complete and that she went to such great lengths to ensure
02:01:07.060the success of this revenge that she now forfeits that there be no celebration because
02:01:17.060she did such dastardly things in order to correct um the murder of her father
02:01:25.860therewith she kissed sigmund her brother and sin filthy and went back again into the fire
02:01:35.020and died with king sigir and all his good men
02:01:38.760but the two kinsmen gathered together folk and ships and sigmund went back to his father's land
02:01:47.800and drave away thence the king who had taken over in his stead and had set himself down there
02:01:55.560in the in the room of the king as as king or as king volsung so he takes the throne back at his
02:02:04.780father's land so sigmund became a mighty king and far famed he was wise high-minded he had he had to
02:02:15.180wife, one named Borkilb, the battle mountain, or excuse me, the battle keep or castle, and
02:02:30.140had two sons they had between them, one's name Helgi and the other Hammond. And of course,
02:02:39.120um we know by reading helgi fundingsbana that's that's the connection point between the two of
02:02:47.880them and helgi's story of of love and reincarnation and uh redemption against um cunning and
02:02:58.040um all of that comes in three different series uh
02:03:05.400So. Let's see. Yes, Helgi and the other was Hamund. And when Helgi was born, Norns came to him and spake over him and said that he should be in time to come.
02:14:56.520And he's probably got a little different musical perspective to give you maybe on the next program.
02:15:01.180that said though let's go ahead and get through uh chapter five and then we will get into the
02:15:10.100remaining questions all right chapter nine the fifth chapter for tonight though yes i was
02:15:17.100confused i apologize chapter nine uh for those of you following along and uh for those that missed
02:15:24.640uh with helgi hundingsbana one thing i would say is that this is written so so much cleaner even
02:15:32.400though translated uh in in english it can be a little choppy um it is i feel it's way better
02:15:43.540translated than the uh of helgi hundingsbana because it's so it's a it's so much more clear
02:15:54.100straight to the point well it's something to make note of um we're going to see with this
02:16:02.660saga and with the various characters and themes spread out over time
02:16:13.300this is a well-known tale to our folk about themes that are fundamental
02:16:19.060to their society that people know and have a familiarity with these characters in this piece
02:16:29.340are heroes that the audience would have been familiar with in some way
02:16:34.320you see now we have these ridiculous retellings of this retellings of that but so much of it is
02:16:42.700based on root things that we all grew up with a basic understanding of there's a little bit
02:16:48.700of that element here socially in the world of our ancestors to where these stories grow
02:16:56.260and take shape and take you know are the inspiration for song and for poetry and for
02:17:04.840storytelling and ritual drama and all kind of things and you see that play out in more high
02:17:12.700medieval times in the Niblungenlied. You see it play out in Wagner's Ring Cycle. It's this
02:17:22.080Uwagr saga of this permeates the Germanic expression of our faith from very, very early
02:17:35.740you know, from the migration era on through into the 20th century and today.
02:17:45.580Well, and this part here, as opposed to Helgi Hundingsbana's story,
02:17:51.800where Sigrun kind of rides up and she's a semi-mythical Valkyrie and a king's daughter.
02:18:02.840and um you know the way it's described is almost like she's flying on her horse
02:18:09.460slash riding up to Helgi this has a little bit more of a grounded sense um
02:18:15.620I think I mean the way that it is is told just seems to be uh
02:18:25.400less is she this or is she that no it's just straightforward in where they would they where
02:18:32.300they go with it um because we still have a gap before spawn jumps right in i do want to acknowledge
02:18:37.760a question first because from finn wraith it's good to see you finn oh yeah also because it's
02:18:44.080topical to what we just discussed a little bit you guys ever have anyone play music live at church
02:18:49.440yes at our hoffs um examples that i know of and this is not exhaustive there may well be more of
02:18:58.460that at Odenshof we have occasionally more than one member but always one particular I say always
02:19:07.320whenever he's able to make it one particular member plays he can play a variety of instruments
02:19:15.000really well but he typically will play guitar and do various various folk tunes while we eat
02:19:23.800um while we feast and it's beautiful it's really really cool and i look forward to that it's it's a
02:19:29.800um it's really nice thing for us there um and we had as uh i think nick mentioned in the chat
02:19:40.040at the last sample at ostara at thorshof we had two different people with two very different
02:19:45.080styles who had both composed guitar pieces that they performed during some and those were
02:19:51.160those were both really cool um one of those uh we mentioned last week we used that for an outro
02:19:58.840um and we may do that more in the future but that was really really nice so we're getting there it's
02:20:06.400not it's not where i want it but we will get there and we've got a couple we've got a number of people
02:20:11.560with irons in the fire on things they're working on that way during symbols we've had you know it's
02:20:18.440not every time and it's not the norm yet but we've had a lot of um different musical performances
02:20:26.520we've had some just uh just vocal performances we've had some just instrumental performances
02:20:33.320say a lot of guitar so far we had one guy bring a hurdy-gurdy to an event
02:20:39.180um we have a gentleman that regularly brings a bagpipe uh and plays bagpipe
02:20:45.120um so remember pat plays the bagpipes and that's you know always a really cool sound to me
02:20:56.240um used to be we'd have a decent amount of campfire time and sometimes people there would
02:21:03.440regale us with a tune we had a former member that would bring a violin sometimes we had a number of
02:21:11.200us and still on occasion if uh if the meat is flowing we'll get out there and and uh you know
02:21:19.040sing a harmony or two by by the fire with one another um yeah so we we're we're working on
02:21:27.160that it's work in progress it does happen it does not happen as much as i'd like it to
02:21:31.200but it happens a lot more than it it did in previous ages
02:21:35.740another one that i just thought of off top of my head uh last year at ostaro we had a member sing
02:21:43.200opera during sunday uh that was uh yes we did yes we did yeah
02:21:51.720yeah i love how the the music is something that we i think we've all talked about in need but
02:22:00.000it has to come organically can't just be kind of drummed up and then we start seeing that the that
02:22:08.900the breeze blowing through orlog starting to again bring people together and i think that i
02:22:16.380would encourage any member who um has music to send it in and um you know be recognized perhaps
02:22:27.360even if you know we amass enough we could put some sort of playlist or something together
02:22:34.420with people you know having these things but you know bearing in mind you have to think too that
02:22:39.600one is you want to record it and produce it well uh you know not so grainy or or or terrible and
02:22:48.820and then also too there might be themes that overarching and i think one of the things that
02:22:55.040seems to be is uh uh the songs obviously dedicated towards the holy gods or our ancestors
02:23:06.080and or concepts of our true um and also you know i would love for us just to dial in
02:23:15.680um what i would consider modern uh bardic
02:23:20.720traditional music for us being that that that mountain music folk americana that very much i
02:23:32.080think is a stepping stone of the culmination of different europeans um coming together across
02:23:40.160the water and melding back together again kind of they were once one people and then they are
02:23:46.240separate and gain all of these things and then now they are woven back together here in the
02:23:51.840in the emmerich in the the great soul no uh no silliness with this i want um
02:24:01.920our true bluegrass happening um i don't want it done with people affecting a silly bluegrass
02:24:10.080style i like bluegrass instrumentation but i want an honest soulful vocal rendition when it comes to
02:24:17.360that and if we get somebody you know from way back in the holler that's going to have authentic
02:24:22.720bluegrass vocals and that's how they are wonderful but there's a lot of different right ways to do
02:24:29.120that but folk music set to blue bluegrass instrumentation i think would be amazing
02:24:34.720and i would also really really like to see um a combo gregorian chant rune galder kind of thing
02:24:47.680with that sort of melodic runic intonation i think that would be beautiful both those things
02:24:56.000kind of for really different purposes but i think both would be really cool but what i
02:25:00.480i think would also be really cool is reading chapter nine i knew it was coming i was like
02:25:06.240uh-oh all right so we are now speaking about sigmund has his son he has two sons and we're
02:25:14.560focusing in on helgi and again this is a bit of a recap of the story we covered uh previously on
02:25:24.400helgi hunting's bane um so for those who of you who were with us with that this is going to be
02:25:31.920that recap um now the telltales of helgi in his warring where he met a king high height height
02:25:41.280or titled hunting his name a mighty king the lord of many men and of many lands and they fell to
02:25:48.480battle together and helgi went forth mightily and such was the end of that fight that helgi had
02:25:53.840victory but king hunding fell and many of his men with him but helgi is deemed to have grown greatly
02:26:00.880in fame because he slain so mighty a king then the sons of hunding draw together a great army
02:26:08.320to avenge their father hard was the fight betwixt them but helgi goes through the folk of those
02:26:15.120brothers unto their banner, and there slays these sons of Hunding, Alf, and Eolf, and
02:26:23.960Herrward, and Hagbard, and wins a great victory against them. Now as Helgi fared from the
02:26:34.260fight, he met a many women, right fair and worthy to look upon, who rode in exceedingly
02:26:41.240noble array, but one far excelled the others. Then Helgi asked them the name of their lady
02:26:50.120and queen, and she named herself Sigrun, and said that she was the daughter of King Hulgni.
02:26:59.120Then said Helgi, fare home with us. Good welcome shall ye have.
02:27:03.920then said the king's daughter other work lies before us than to drink with thee
02:27:11.400I and what work king's daughter said Helgi she answered King Hogni has promised me to
02:27:20.960Hogbrod the son of King Granmar but I have vowed a vow that I will have I will have him to my
02:27:30.100husband no more than if he were a crow's son and not a king's and yet will the thing come to pass0.70
02:27:38.500but and if thou standest in the way thereof and goes against him with an army and takest me away
02:27:46.320with all for verily with no king would i rather ride and bolster than with thee and that again
02:27:53.820Also played in Helgi Hundingsbane, where she did not wish to be med or wed, excuse me, with Hodbrod and had heard of the great renown of Helgi and said, I would rather you slay him so that I do not break this oath, but then simply become the bride prize of you winning over on him.
02:28:23.820and he says be of good cheer king's daughter said he for certus he and i shall try that matter
02:28:31.740or ever thou be given to him i we shall behold which may prevail against the other and here too
02:28:38.900i pledge my life so he says i'll test myself against him and we shall find out who will be
02:28:46.420better of the matter and i will pledge my life that i will take you as my bride upon victory
02:28:54.980thereafter helgi sent men with money in in their hand to summon his folk to him and all his power
02:29:02.900is called together to red berg and there helgi abode till such time as great company came to him
02:29:11.700from head headancy and therewithal came mighty power from norvi sound aboard great and fair
02:29:20.260ships then king helgi called to him the captain of his ships who was named leif and said to him
02:29:29.060if he had told over the tale of his army a thing not easy to tell my lord said leif on the ships
02:29:39.060that came out of norvi sound are twelve thousand men and other where are half as many again
02:29:49.140then bade king helgi turn into the firth and called varins called varins firth and they did so
02:29:57.460but now there fell on them so fierce a storm so huge at sea that that the beat of the waves on
02:30:06.180board and the bow was hearkened to like that of clashing together of high hills broken
02:30:14.260but helgi bade his men fear not nor take to taken any sale but rather hoist every rag
02:30:21.940higher than the here here too for but little did they miss of foundering or ever they made
02:30:30.180or ever they made land then came sigrun daughter of king hogney down to the beach with a great
02:30:38.340army and turned them away thence to a good haven called nipaland so again this is another reference
02:30:45.780to what we covered in there um where she does come down as they're beached from the storm
02:30:52.500and they're repairing the ships and she tells them no there's a a safer place to harbor
02:30:59.380And kind of guides them, hoping that this great army will destroy the person she is bound to marry.
02:31:12.960But the landsmen see what has befallen and come down to the seashore.
02:31:19.180The brother of King Hodbrod, lord of the land, called Swarinskern, cried out to them and asked them who was captain of this mighty army.
02:31:29.380then stood up sin filthy now remember in in helgi hundingsbane the mention of of sin filthy is is
02:31:38.420brief and there's the history behind him is not really known now it is known to the audience or
02:31:46.580to to all of us that sin filthy is the the werewolf son of sigmund um and the uncle slash brother of
02:31:56.100helgi um with a helm on his head bright shining as glass and a birney as white as snow a spear0.97
02:32:06.980in his hand there on the banner of renowned and gold trim shield hanging before him and well he
02:32:14.100knew with what words to speak to kings go thou and say when thou hast made an end of feeding
02:32:21.860thy swine and thy dogs and when thou beholdest thy wife again that here come the volsums and in
02:32:29.300this company not may king helgi be found if hog broad be fain of finding him for his game and his
02:32:37.620joy it is to fight and to win fame while thou art kissing the handmaids by the fireside
02:32:44.260so he in essence says you know when you go home at the end of the day after you've done all the
02:32:52.400chores and you you're holding your wife and the king asks you you know who are who is this great
02:32:59.840army to show up it is the volsungs and we have been preparing for war while you have been uh
02:33:07.700drinking and and kissing of handmaidens um at random before you get to the next uh stanza
02:33:17.780so just as a note and this is for wise final solution
02:33:24.500he's talking about lord of the ring slash hobbit music and soundtracks and such
02:33:32.360i will encourage everyone to uh look up here on youtube the finest of platforms
02:33:41.840a platform that has been nice to us so far um look up i forget how it's bilbo baggins
02:33:51.060oh no and uh not saying it's good i do not endorse it in any way
02:33:58.860but when it's out there and it exists it it it you need knowledge of it right
02:34:06.200your life will be richer for it um carry on uh all right yeah um
02:34:19.000so then grandma what's that i said i'm tempted to take an intermission
02:34:27.920to have people go look it up and consume it, but I will not.
02:36:21.400So dim, the dimness of light is what your memory is now0.60
02:36:27.860of how thou wert a witch wife in Varense, and wouldst fain have a man to thee, and chose me
02:36:36.840to that same office of all the world, and how thereof there wert a Valkyria in Ausgard.0.68
02:36:44.920And it well nigh came to this, that for thy sweet sake should all men fight, and nine wolf whelps
02:36:52.560i begat on the body in lowness on thy body and lowness and was the father of them all so at this
02:37:02.000point it's this is a a battle of words and he's speaking of and kind of doubles down like you
02:37:15.600you're he's accusing him of being this dastardly person he's like no it's even more so i i you know
02:37:22.800i'm the father of wolf pups and um he kind of again is going more for shock and awe while you
02:37:32.160were being civilized men i was giving you know i was siring wolf pups uh with valkyries from heaven
02:37:40.240and it's this is just really crazy over the top but again it's a it's a looming threat
02:37:48.640because they're sitting on their beach so he's like you can you can call me a kinslayer you can
02:37:54.580call me a uh the the sucker of of uh the blood from corpses but i am that and more and now i am
02:38:03.460sitting at your beach like so when these words end there is sometimes that the imagery
02:38:12.820with the original text and with this translator is just so visceral it's really really cool and
02:38:20.900it's one of those instances yeah this is and just again the looming sense that's hanging in the air
02:38:26.820is you can call me all these things but i am that and more and i am standing on your property
02:38:33.460And Grandma answers back, Great skill of lying hast thou, yet belike the father of naught, at all mayest thou be, since thou wert gelded by the giant's daughter in Thrasnus.
02:38:46.360And lo, thou art the stepson of King Sigir.
03:05:56.400and um unbeknownst to me my wife was working at a uh client's house um a woman that lived
03:06:06.960lives fairly far away from us but she had noticed that there was this big raven in the backyard
03:06:12.520and uh she was like oh i want to get these feathers from for my husband because i know
03:06:18.320he would like them so she goes out and she sees all these feathers on the ground she grabs three
03:06:22.920of them and i have no idea that she's doing this and then as she's making her way towards me and
03:06:30.280where i'm working she gets a lot of this uh some news there's all this bad news kind of floating
03:06:35.880around uh i think via text message people were talking about someone who passed away it's once
03:06:41.160and she got it in her head that perhaps because she picked up those three feathers that was related
03:06:47.560to some of those misfortunes and then she was about to hand them over to me not knowing about
03:06:52.680my praying um so when she got to my work she just cast them out of her window in the parking lot
03:06:59.240and went in and talked to me and we you know we had a we kissed and said hello and we're talking
03:07:05.640and doing things and she made no mention of it and she left and then many hours later i leave
03:07:13.080my shop and i'm walking to my car and i see these three black feathers one of them's like underneath
03:07:19.720the tire one of them is upon the curb and one's just like sitting right next to the door and i
03:07:24.440was like whoa i gotta go and check these out and see if these are um like raven feathers they're
03:07:30.200really black almost blue and i was i was like is this the sign is this like a confirmation that i
03:07:38.680was going in in a correct sense and then i show up and i was like hey babe look what i found next
03:07:44.360to my car and she's like oh no and um i i talked to her about the whole situation and i i i surmised
03:07:53.720i think that the the the feeling of dread and of all those news that she was getting was again just
03:08:01.720during that transitional time when she was driving it wasn't about the feathers the feathers
03:08:06.440was a separate thing and the fact that they made it to me i i feel was deeply a confirmation
03:08:13.560in specifics because i was asking lord ovin if i was speaking the correct truth about the tripartite
03:08:23.000about him as the tripartite if i was overstepping my bounds if i was leading people astray because
03:08:29.560of my own hubris or ignorance and i got three feathers so i felt that that was absolutely a
03:08:37.480confirmation that i was doing well enough and so it could happen as something like that um
03:08:48.600some people have dreams others have stories and many other things uh i you know i couldn't
03:08:54.440recount every way but you just have to realize that the moment you light that light you are
03:09:00.440becoming receptive and you are stepping forward into that uh threshold between you and the divine
03:09:10.040and the divine will and can step back if they see fit so continue on give gift and sometimes too
03:09:19.240just airing your voice out helps you realize your thoughts helps you realize your intentions
03:09:26.280helps you realize perhaps the folly or uh something that's missing or what have you but
03:09:33.160continue on and i think that that will begin to open the light and then yes reach out and
03:09:39.560become part of the astro focus assembly find your local culture your your local
03:09:45.400ousatru people and then you will learn these traditions you will learn what people do when
03:09:52.040they sit down to eat meals or when they walk into hoffs or um how things kind of go what assemble
03:10:00.280is and so on and so forth so but that's a good way to start in my opinion so
03:10:12.120everything's font said is certainly true and i think a really good way to do it but
03:10:17.000But I'd also like to, that's often how I do it, but I think something I'd like to emphasize a couple of things.
03:10:39.820First, there is a showing of respect for protocol when you recite formula, and that's good.
03:10:55.920Reciting the stuff you're supposed to say at the right time shows that you acknowledge the right way to do things and that you're in alignment with the right way to do things.
03:11:06.240It shows that you are respecting the order that the Aesir put in place, and you're respecting the customs of your folk.
03:11:15.040That is, it does not have to be, but it is and can be entirely separate from actual communication with the divine or your ancestors.
03:11:28.200if you receive if you come before the altar and repeat the formula that's been prescribed to you
03:11:37.620that you read in a book with the right dance steps I think that is good that is way better
03:11:44.360than nothing that is a good thing to do and it aligns you properly but I think an element that
03:11:52.540is extremely important, either in conjunction with that or in lieu of that, is an honest
03:12:00.560communication and bearing of your soul to your gods and your ancestors.
03:12:09.560There are big deal prayers that are done in ritual with people around that are very formal.
03:12:16.800I find myself praying a lot in much less formal circumstances.
03:12:28.140Often it does involve lighting a candle.
03:12:31.100Sometimes it involves lighting some incense or pouring out, you know, a shot or a drink of something.
03:12:44.900just speaking from the heart thing like you know i usually start off with hail the isere
03:12:53.040and then go into something i usually end with you know hail the isere depending upon what i'm doing
03:13:01.640hail the folk hail the ancestors hail the afa as a way of closing it you mentioned as
03:13:08.920As Christians will often say, amen, I will end with, you know, hailing a sequence of things or perhaps just hail the Iser or, you know, depending on who I'm reaching out to, you know, hail Thor or whatever the case might be.
03:13:25.180But in the middle there, it often is a very sincere, you know, thank you for the things you've done for me and for the Astro Folk Assembly.
03:13:35.980Thank you for the blessings of my life.
03:13:38.920Please give me wisdom and efficacy so that I can represent you to the folk, so that I can bring glory to you and to the Aesir.
03:30:07.340I was studying the processes of known as riding the horse and possession in certain traditions like voodoo or voodoo.
03:30:19.360uh just overall trying to get an understanding especially in relation to uh how berserker
03:30:27.680and olf heathnar are imbued with this power perhaps um you know filled with the fervor of
03:30:36.540lord olden to the point where they're not susceptible to steal um and so i was on that
03:30:41.980long kind of search and i you know i am familiar with this it does remind me i think that
03:30:48.380all vessel and all body are born of yggdrasil and some can have old and some are new um that the the
03:30:58.960boon of our ancestors does not come always entirely as a soul if it's a but it's you know the boon of
03:31:06.060your ancestors to give a piece of themselves or a culmination of themselves unto the descendancy
03:31:11.700in order to make that line grow and become stronger um perhaps it's luck coming yeah um
03:31:18.820but there are also new souls and those new souls are being born of the dew that is
03:31:24.580igdrasil and they drip into the well and thus entering into the middle world and some of them are
03:31:30.980blank slates they can be empty um i think that even um the likes of like edward thorson spoke
03:31:42.500about the philkia but those who are older and have higher power have a fully formed philkia
03:31:49.940whereas new souls or souls that are stunted have no philkia or their philkia is not even really
03:31:59.060considered anything that can present itself and so you do see this hierarchy of um being that's
03:32:10.420that not everyone is equal to in in a spiritual sense but the the effects of which that has
03:32:20.100i think entails that the outcome that he's suggesting that these people can be possessed
03:32:26.580uh i spoke earlier about fenris fenris is the greatest threat he's in the mountains of the
03:32:32.660gods he's living amongst them and then they bind him they bring him down into the middle world and
03:32:37.700his spit is dripping into the black lake and so therefore even though he's bound his his spirit
03:32:45.860is still seeping into the cosmos and making the effect and people who are empty like that are
03:32:54.500i believe affected the most that um they have to be weary and uh or others have to be weary for them
03:33:02.660that there's others that need to guide them protect them uh keep them from
03:33:09.140going into folly and then other times there just is no um they are just too far not only are they
03:33:17.620empty but now they're given to unseemly deeds degeneracy they befall upon themselves with no
03:33:23.380sense of what they're doing wrong or they don't think beyond just the right now they don't consider
03:33:30.500themselves and they're great that the lineage that they come from or what have you and those people
03:33:35.540are more susceptible than ever to the forces of chaos that flow from jotunheim that are in the
03:33:44.900those cracks there and remember i'm not saying every jotin is a a being that's seeking to
03:33:53.940detriment but that is where that source of resistance and this dissolvement comes from
03:34:00.100especially in the middle world and it comes in many different forms it doesn't necessarily have
03:34:04.580to be something of a natural sense like a storm or you know i've heard people postulate about
03:34:10.340jotens in nature sense but it's beyond that and um yeah so i think those people are susceptible
03:34:17.540but i don't think that they are existence with the intent of being vessels i think they just simply
03:34:25.780are because of their newness or or uh the lack their ancestors have kind of
03:34:32.260completely just fallen away from them and are uh letting them
03:34:36.900dangle in the wind if you will so so swan uh morris taylor in the chat thinks that you have
03:34:45.780the ability to bestow upon him single 40 year old icelandic ladies when he reaches his desired
03:34:52.420fitness goals if you do not have like a stable of these that you can bestow perhaps he thinks you
03:35:00.660might have uh the insight on where he can find them so just keep that in mind that these are
03:35:07.380things expected of you go go do crossfit and then go up to iceland and um you know
03:35:15.700go and watch a crossfit thing up there and i'm sure i hope god's and ancestors willing
03:35:22.580weird fates and you meet someone up there that would be really cool that is the that is the
03:35:26.660roadmap to getting yourself a hot 40 year old single icelandic lady um on the on the uh organic
03:35:38.340portals thing um as i stated earlier in the show there are malevolent entities out there that like
03:35:50.820to take advantage of people who are easy targets for them i think that there is numerous spiritual
03:36:02.420processes for someone who wants to empty themselves of soul to become one with nothingness
03:36:13.860or to prep themselves to be a portal if you will for the other
03:36:20.820I think in a positive, I guess, way, you can see that in some of the ancient Greco-Hellenic oracles that purpose themselves to be vessels for gods and spirits to enter and to work through.
03:36:48.060I think you see it in a different way that is unintended, but this is one of my thoughts about some Eastern religions and Buddhism in particular, when the idea is to empty your mind, empty your, you know, have no will, have no ego, empty yourself of all of these things.
03:37:12.900I think that does present an opening for other things to enter, be those good things or bad things or, you know, anything else.
03:37:24.720I think we see this in a little bit, and those are like intentional processes.
03:37:30.260So, for the unintentional and the people that are prone to be victimized, I think we see that expressed by the Spurgy kids today as the NPC thing.
03:37:51.440this is one of the things um some of you who listen may be aware i'm a big fan in a lot of
03:37:59.180ways of the writings of julius evelyn and so much of what he talks about is the idea of developing
03:38:08.360the self of developing your will in a magical or an esoteric way and developing like being a true
03:45:25.800to where a god comes down and mates with a mortal woman and produces offspring
03:45:34.440like swan said we see that in the deep antiquity of the farthest back reaches of royal genealogies
03:45:43.560um when they go back that far the claim is always kind of
03:45:54.200I'm going to use the restroom real quick well it's kind of in question and I don't mean that
03:46:02.000um I don't mean that I'm saying it can't be true and that it's not true for sure I'm just saying
03:46:08.880There is a lot of things a God can do to be the father of a line of kings, including creation itself.
03:46:22.080In that sense, it's why very often we refer to ourselves as sons and daughters of the Aesir, not in the sense that, you know, Odin impregnated one of our great, great, great, great, great to infinity grandmothers, but in the sense that he shaped and created us.
03:46:43.360And in that sense, he is certainly our father.
03:46:45.620So I think there's some interplay there, but I'm not discounting that, you know, in the ancient line of kings, Odin had mortal sons.
03:46:56.400That might very well be the case, you know, in a very literal way, but it also might be the case in a very metaphysical way that I think is no less true.0.59
03:47:07.680Next question is, can anyone of the Gothar perform exorcism?
03:47:14.320so this is a really interesting question
03:47:22.800can they potentially yes do we have a lot of examples of also true exorcism no
03:47:34.480but i will say this our gothar have been
03:47:36.960asked to help with people who were felt like they were under curse with people who were
03:47:49.680spiritually afflicted by negative entities in a variety of ways including like night hags and
03:47:57.840And people with sleep paralysis kind of oppression.
03:48:04.400People with, I'm just saying it, people with haunted houses that they were occupying or places to where they felt like there were bad spiritual elements messing with them or their space.
03:48:20.000and gothar have been involved in removing that uh that hindrance removing that oppression removing
03:48:27.860that negative interaction and that's been in my experience that's been very successful
03:52:12.360Finraith asks, what do you guys think of Richard Wagner?
03:52:17.380I always hear Universalists blame romanticism of our lore on him and historical misconceptions like the horned Viking helmets, which Vikings didn't have.0.98
03:52:27.040It's fine. Do you have thoughts on Wagner?0.90
03:52:29.900The first thought that I had, though, before I say Wagner,
03:52:35.780blaming when we talk about the universalists and blaming romanticism,
03:52:41.500what would it be called the thing that they do that is also not historically accurate0.86
03:52:47.020with the shoulder pelts and the black face paint and, you know, like the vaginal war bands
03:52:56.680uh riding into um battle i what would that be called we have romanticism would it be like0.59
03:53:05.980like the vaginal war bands well i i did i haven't seen i have not seen the vikings i've seen the
03:53:13.920first episode and i've seen um little you know granules that that occasionally show up on youtube
03:53:21.780one of them i did see was just like i guess like a boat full of women and um all wearing you know
03:53:28.900pants and trousers and and and uh and and certainly the the exception i'm not saying
03:53:36.020that there were not occasions where there were women who were uh you know i i know of one
03:53:42.260actually in with the varangian guard she slays a varangian who was attempting to rape her
03:53:49.540and she slays him and they're like well you need to fill in his gap so they give him all her gear
03:53:55.060his gear and pull him and i don't know if it's true or not but certainly the story has some
03:54:02.740interesting uh things but i you know the exception versus the rule but i was just wondering what is
03:54:08.820what would if wagner is accused of romanticizing history what is what is the inverse of that that
03:54:19.220these kind of universalists abide by um in such a way i and i i don't know what that would be called
03:54:28.020what's that just trashing it i mean poor representation uh you know so one of the two
03:54:37.780should know better the other didn't have the wealth of information at their fingertips
03:54:46.580to know better right um i think wagner tapped into the spirit well that's the thing wagner's
03:54:54.980representation was honest it was honest it was from the heart it was motivated out of
03:55:01.860genuine love for his folk and embracing the traditions of his ancestors to the best of his
03:55:11.060ability that he had in front of him his depictions of you know winged helmet and horned helmet vikings
03:55:22.900are very much built on centuries of european imagining of what
03:55:30.900these folks looked like and running with it with the best information available to him
03:55:36.260um the current universalists know the vikings were really big on transgender and lgbtq rights
03:55:45.860and 50 of them were women and they didn't have colorful dyes all they had was black and they0.68
03:55:52.880put ashes on themselves and they wore roadkill it on their shoulder that's silly and they any0.96
03:56:01.060The slightest give a damn by them could determine that these things are goofy.
03:56:09.140I've always really liked the little meme with, you know, the war runa chick looking thing.0.81
03:56:17.140And then the like actual Viking and his actual Viking clothes like, ah, look, it's a troll.0.99
03:56:26.400Anybody who has even a cursory understanding of the Viking Age knows that they would pride themselves on cleanliness, on how well manicured their hair or their beard, their nails, their earwax, all of those things were maintained.0.79
03:56:45.780they were thought ill of by other peoples because they would bathe regularly they would dress with
03:56:54.600the most they would try to look as fancy and as like brightly colored as possible as a show of
03:57:01.920their wealth and their success um yeah this like faux barbarism nonsense it's dishonest it's a
03:57:13.280willful well yeah that's what the vikings look like but i'd rather look like cool black metal
03:57:18.960vikings that i imagined in my head that's dishonest that's a on the face of it rejecting
03:57:26.080something you know to be true in a you know what is popular today on the left uh a reimagining
03:57:32.720of the viking age and which is silly um wagner's stuff was absolutely in the right spirit it was
03:57:41.280absolutely mint with the best of his current understanding and it's really cool and it's
03:57:46.720extremely inspirational and yeah i don't like that you know elements of his lore aren't accurate to
03:57:54.400sources that i'm familiar with that i think the maestro did not have the same access to at the time
03:58:01.360time but yeah his work is endearing it speaks for itself uh he is fantastic and those um
03:58:14.480gross creatures are not and no one will remember or know their names0.99
03:58:22.480we can describe things now descriptively as Wagnerian we won't know yeah little
03:58:55.040who we still have festivals about his works to this day.
03:58:59.620A lot of times, though, when I look at the modern ones, like the Ordrunas and stuff, it seems like they're trying to depict some, like, backwoods hermit mystic without realizing or reading, you know, about how, you know, the leaders, the kings, the proper nobles were realistically the Gothar as well.
03:59:24.720they held both positions most so often they were they were the nobles not the hermits in the woods
03:59:31.460that were doing the spiritual stuff yeah there was you know some of that but that wasn't the main
03:59:36.660presiding religious person that was the you know the mystic in the woods that somebody
03:59:43.200absolutely have to they're the viking homeless people maybe but i don't even really think it's
03:59:51.460an authentic depiction of the homeless vikings i think it's just a genuine
03:59:57.640let's revolt against anything that's civilized and try to look like trash and i would say i'd
04:00:06.900still take the uh i would take the wardroona ones over the creepy alien pan's labyrinth
04:00:15.300looking thing from vikings tv show oh yeah the ghosts are in that where they're like
04:00:21.460creepy and have like misshapen mutated forms yeah that's gross or the one that's
04:00:30.480ragnar that you have to like lick his hand he's just some slimy little0.88
04:00:35.220the that that is defining our ancestors as a counterpoint to civilization and again to be
04:00:51.620fair i think that is seen in the romantic era when they are depicting the barbarian versus
04:01:00.180the civilized you know the civilized in general at the time often it was juxtaposed to the
04:01:07.860civilized roman i think you see that even in the day with tacitus's writing is he tries to make
04:01:15.700the germanic tribes a counterpoint to the decadence of rome so i think seeing our ancestors
04:01:24.260as a counterpoint to a prevailing civilization is a common thing to do
04:01:31.940but i think it is most dishonestly done in the current age of the
04:01:40.900inclusive inclusive paganism gross mental illness obese cult that we see
04:01:51.620in various dark unseemly corners of the internet we had a number of years ago somebody had0.83
04:02:01.540bought a ticket to the virtual troth moved to like infiltrate it and like see what was going on
04:02:09.780and i remember this again the afa never went through a period even through the
04:02:15.940The hysterics of 2020, where we were doing these virtual things, we all got together and worshiped our God, shared horns, hugged one another, came out fine.
04:02:29.240But for years, maybe still, as far as I know, other groups of these kind of people we're talking about, they're having these online deals.
04:02:38.960it is hilarious the i don't know what bridge these people crawled out from under
04:02:49.920it was really it was really gross and funny and all of those things on the surface
04:02:56.660yes i laugh at those people but on a deeper layer it is also tremendously sad
04:03:05.320every one of those people not most of not lots of 100 of the people in that video chat were
04:03:16.600like if i had to draw you a picture of modern like severe mental illness it would be these people
04:03:25.960100 percent of them were gender ambiguous with they were hideous they had glasses and they had
04:03:38.060all kind of ailments that were obvious they were all morbidly literally all of them were morbidly
04:03:44.260obese they had you know any manner of bleached out strange looking hair and this is not to say
04:03:54.680I know there's some of you ladies out here that have, you know, some different color hair that looks really beautiful and attractive.
04:04:01.600It's not our norm, but I've seen people do it in ways that's cool.
04:04:05.280No, these people all looked very, they were literally the picture of ill health physically, mentally, and spiritually.
04:04:15.200And it was, you know, it is not a worthy use of our time to go look at that and laugh at how gross those people are.
04:04:23.140But it was informative, the deep divide, and if it's pick one or the other, it is very clear that we chose the correct side of that divide to be on.
04:04:38.160Yeah, no, it's funny and stuff on the surface of it.
04:04:41.560It is, and I'll have a good laugh at it.0.99
04:04:43.720Those people are literally our enemies, but they're also grossly mentally ill.0.96
04:04:48.560and that's somebody's son daughter they them there that is deeply deeply troubled in a way
04:04:57.200that i don't think there's a high likelihood of reversibility to uh but i don't know how
04:05:03.440that got from where we were at well that was a juxtaposition to society and i think a lot of
04:05:09.440These people think that our gods are caricatures of barbarism and anti-order, anti-civility.
04:05:19.380Yes, they miss the point of order versus chaos, or they embrace it in a different way and don't realize that we're on the order side of that equation.
04:05:29.900and this goes directly to the next question do you think these lgbtq uh universalist pagans
04:05:36.860who claim to follow loki are actually following loki or are they just imagining things yes i think
04:05:45.100both of those things are happening i think they have no idea anything about loki i don't think
04:05:51.340that there's some kind of you know them and loki doing doing some kind of handshake and0.51
04:05:56.620them literally working together i think loki probably delights in these woefully mentally ill0.78
04:06:04.700people and their shenanigans because it helps to bring down order it helps to damage all the things0.73
04:06:12.540that are beautiful and good in the world and i think that probably serves his purposes but i
04:06:20.060don't think they serve him in any kind of ordered fashion because honestly i don't
04:06:27.420i think he he might find them just as absurd as we do but more useful they serve their purpose
04:06:35.100uh swan what are your thoughts i'm just gonna say i agree yeah they they serve the purpose the
04:06:41.260purpose is to uh break order break um the center um to again the deception of the the folk and um
04:06:56.780and again he he being bound i am a we do talk about mythic time and all of these things that
04:07:05.260that which is unbound and bound and released is all at the same time or like lord balder being
04:07:11.980uh with the gods and then in in death and then uh risen again that's another topic elsewhere but
04:07:22.300let's just speak from the binding the binding of the forces of chaos at bay right now
04:07:28.700uh fenris and loki are eventually loosened but these people are saying no he's not bound um
04:07:37.420and that he's just misunderstood and uh or the other you know without him they would they're the
04:07:44.700treasures of the gods would not be had but i think they missed the entire spiritual overlay it's it's
04:07:50.700it's it's kind of amazing how ignorant it is they are to it all but um yeah i think that they that
04:08:01.740certainly his and fenris and i spoke about that the forces of chaos do influx in the middle world0.78
04:08:08.060and i am quite positive he's probably pleased with the
04:08:12.300treachery um that they are and cause but i mean at the same time i i can only imagine just how
04:08:23.200tiresome it would be to look at some something that claims to be you know of you and working0.62
04:08:30.440with you but isn't just an absolute like uh i mean it's just like a fart telling you i'm with you0.98
04:08:38.780like i'm with you great thanks damn it now it just stinks and and it's useless no i0.90
04:08:48.140it's being it's being very mean but um yeah no i just yeah these people have the possibility of0.94
04:08:57.500great amounts and then they shift because it's a it's a pipeline they go from that to saying that0.96
04:09:04.420they're uh rock a true and the gods um are really the bad guys because they're just the big arian0.95
04:09:12.440jocks and uh the old you know lowbrow um jotens are are the real you know true they're with nature0.98
04:09:23.280or it starts it goes how's it true to vana true and to rock a true with loki sprinkles so and
04:09:28.660that's ultimately the goal is to break away from order and any semblance of personal and it's in
04:09:35.460that way it is exactly like as real abyss goth satanism i understand like the church of satan
04:09:49.860doesn't have a lot to do with like bible satan i get i get that and that's all philosophical
04:09:56.420and highbrow and whatever else but the edgy goth kids that want to say they worship the devil
04:10:05.700that is the same that to christianity is these miscreants to alsatru is pretty
04:10:13.620it is positing that they accept some kind of similar worldview but try to align themselves
04:10:20.580with the bad guys of that worldview but it's not really about loki just like it's not really about
04:10:29.380the devil it's about being anti the icier and order just like they're anti the church and
04:14:39.700The intent is the purpose that it garners.
04:14:41.780I think that our military utilizes that, they decimate, like in Fallujah, there was a lot of stuff going on that nobody ever really talked about that would just knock your socks off to see, you know, these giant cannons coming out of the back of airplane bombers and watching a building get vaporized because there was a sniper in there.
04:15:07.660to me that's that's wild but they don't necessarily throw all that out because again
04:15:13.000it does it alleviate surprise does it hide and then other times you know they will say like
04:15:22.280a force undeniable just rolled in and decimated and they're doing that to either hide their
04:15:30.120their tactical prowess or they're doing it i don't even think this is in a governmental sense
04:15:36.200but like you and the guys like when people are telling the story 10 years later
04:15:42.280at the bar whatever do the numbers exaggerate at some point
04:15:50.040no i don't i mean i think every person's pretty especially when you're in those situations you're
04:15:54.760super hyper focused so you're you get that tunnel vision kind of mindset and sometimes you'll even
04:16:01.080forget that people were there you'll be telling the story and it's like bro i was like right on
04:16:07.800the corner of the block with you it's like uh um no i never i never really saw a lot of that to be
04:16:16.520honest which is odd now that i'm thinking about it well there is a humility among veterans or at
04:16:28.520least a a reluctance to talk grandiosely about their service that i've seen and i don't know
04:16:38.200if that occurs internally but it certainly occurs externally um i have never encountered a combat
04:16:46.120veteran that wants to talk heroically about their awesome deeds on the battlefield
04:16:51.160kind of wish I did but that's not for me to decide that's their glory to talk about or not
04:16:58.720and they own that um but I have noticed that because I've worked with and around a lot of
04:17:05.500veterans and I don't just mean um enduring freedom veterans or you know recent veterans
04:17:14.260i mean like my grandfather he was in korea and he did not want to talk about that for
04:17:21.120he would talk about that in the most vague i mean he would talk about you know one time they
04:17:28.960commandeered or did something to where they they like were able to hijack some kind of train load
04:17:35.500of fruit cocktail and they had a whole bunch of fruit cocktail they were eating or like that kind
04:17:41.220of a thing, but actual, actual life or death engagement things. And this is a very common
04:17:50.120thing being on the outside. And again, you may as a, as a, as someone who served, you may have
04:17:54.640a very different perception of this, but veterans only in my capacity as an AFA go-fee have I gotten
04:18:05.760veterans in a position where they will open up to me about combat experience in a
04:18:13.920detailed way i've never and this is one of the things that i noticed working in the bars
04:18:21.520see all my stories come back to the bar so but i worked um it was right outside of joint base
04:18:28.640elmendorf richardson's we had a lot of uh servicemen and women coming through and a lot
04:18:34.640of guys that were in on the big um the big surge and like the striker guys and a lot of those guys
04:18:43.200were there and even when they were very in their cups like
04:18:48.400nobody wanted to talk about specific engagement and guys that didn't do much of anything that
04:18:56.800never left the base or whatever wanted to flex on me about how you know you're welcome for your
04:19:02.640freedom and they wanted to do that on me a lot um but guys that i knew there that were special
04:19:09.600forces guys or that were really involved in the striker uh actions in iraq those guys didn't
04:19:17.580ever mention those things um it might come up in the periphery at some point just if another guy
04:19:27.020was there that they knew from that but again not with not with a lot of stories
04:19:30.860so i don't know if that's something culturally with the modern military or what to where i
04:19:39.440don't see those big fish stories of somebody talking back and talking about oh man it was
04:19:43.960crazy you didn't it was there's 30 30 hodges no there was 320 there was there was 10 000
04:19:51.080like i don't hear that um but you're again your experiences might be very different uh from a
04:19:58.540different perspective but i that's a strange thing i don't know if that's the case i think
04:20:02.940it was finn race that asked i don't know if that's the case in europe or other countries
04:20:07.820well i think there's definitely a loss in that um one you may take down an enemy or be engaged by an
04:20:14.780enemy at distances where you don't ever see them and then to you know land mines you step on one
04:20:20.860and that's that's that um or you know roadside bombs improvised uh explosive devices etc
04:20:28.940really does take out and it's a it's a great wash of the spirit to go into battle and realize
04:20:37.260it's not something as simple as facing off with your enemy it is a different situation altogether
04:20:46.060and um that does i think drain a lot of what would be but when i whenever i do hear other
04:20:54.620uh vets talk about like something really cool i i used to know a marine that got into a knife
04:21:00.860fight with a somali in in mogadishu and um and he's obviously he was older than me i wasn't even
04:21:09.900in the marine corps when he told me the story um but it was good with the blade is that a
04:21:15.980somali thing no the somali did not have a blade oh he brought0.67
04:21:23.660he brought himself to a knife fight without a knife um okay so your buddy shanked the somali
04:21:30.940okay yeah uh well i mean they were in close quarters and he uh actually lost retention of
04:21:37.820his rifle and um had no other option but to pull his knife and um and did business as one does and
04:21:48.940i just remember being younger and just being like holy moly this is amazing and um but the way he
04:21:54.780again described it was still kind of lackluster i think the guy was hiding in what he called
04:21:59.020an ironing board closet um and now that i'm older i don't know if he was just making a joke about
04:22:05.180skinny being skinny but um yes yeah it was it was just it was very very
04:22:16.060bombastic in the way that he was describing it but
04:22:19.900that's it it's like when it's one or some situation they're very very personally but
04:22:23.980a lot of the times it is just um you know so far distance or so abrupt or so swift
04:22:32.620and i mean a lot of the crazy things that i saw didn't even directly involve me i was just simply
04:22:41.020there having the border patrols like uh brother the colonel they call we call them the colonel
04:22:48.220but having the border patrol uh head of that on syria um you know having his brother who had his
04:22:56.460eyes and his tongue removed and we show up to try to figure out what happened and where we're gonna
04:23:03.900go or or whatever and it turns out that it most likely was the syrians and that was it it was then
04:23:11.180it was just on to the rest of the day so shout out to the reddit pagans y'all brought us a listener
04:23:20.540tonight i appreciate that x x said over in the comments that uh he found us on reddit because
04:23:28.220people were calling us racist and referred to us as quote unquote folk people to avoid um
04:23:37.180no that's awesome glad you found your way here um welcome welcome glad you're on this evening
04:23:44.060uh yeah stories take on stories are funny that way so i think you know again in the in the
04:23:53.020lore that we're reading tonight it's told i mean six seven hundred years after
04:24:01.500kind of the setting or the backdrop they make out for it so i think things
04:24:05.660have a lot longer to be of epic become of epic proportion and i don't think you deal with the
04:24:11.900same social stigma as you do today if somebody's at the bar talking about you know absurd amount
04:24:19.820of iraqis or taliban or whatever that he killed in spectacular and cinematic ways
04:24:28.860i don't think it has the same kind of social cred that it would back then that's a shame that should
04:24:34.220be awesome and celebrated right i think the guy would probably get thrown out and there would be
04:24:38.860some horrible scandal um and that's tragic we don't celebrate warriors in the way that we once0.95
04:24:44.380did i'll tell you this just with stupid bouncing stories i would watch over the years and i would0.97
04:24:51.180see you know new guys or whatever a couple years in they would tell stories that weren't that were0.98
04:24:57.980my story like like no stop stop no that was me you weren't even here yet what do you but i would
04:25:07.340look at them they didn't think they were lying they were just retelling a story that
04:25:11.820they'd heard so many times they felt like they were there and it was so similar that somehow
04:25:17.500they would like and and that i wasn't the only one people who worked there before me would say
04:25:23.420the same thing and it's funny how the stories would change with circumstance over time um
04:25:32.940um so that was kind of an interesting thing and again knowing the people involved I don't think
04:25:39.720anybody was trying to lie I just think like Nick was saying in the comments you get this game of
04:25:45.300telephone going and by the time it's retold for the sixth seventh eighth ninth time three four
04:25:51.780years later the scenario changes a little bit I think that's probably writ large in some of this
04:25:59.160poetry. So, wow. All right. The last like hour and a half has just kind of, I don't
04:26:09.480know where it's gone. But anyways, Fenwright says, do you know, are the dwarves in fairy
04:26:20.020tales like snow white and the seven dwarves related to the dwarves in lore yes um and i say
04:26:29.540that just in the folk memory of the concept you would have throughout um the middle ages
04:26:39.940okay and this is going to tie in with some of the other comments noticing the materialism
04:26:45.700of the dwarves and likening them to um semitic peoples in a materialistic regard
04:26:55.140i think that is us noticing something and projecting it on people because we see it
04:27:00.820through a lens it's very dangerous to go back in time and think that's what the lore was referring
04:27:06.660to but ironically enough in the medieval period you do see a similar role played by um jews in
04:27:19.940europe sometimes and dwarfs and you'd see knights accompanied by um like you'd have like a henchman
04:27:29.860Like a bad guy henchman would often be a dwarf or would sometimes be somebody's Jew that would follow them.0.89
04:27:40.540And I don't know if it's the same, but I do think there was a thing that they saw in the medieval ages where they did associate the two in some way.
04:27:52.280Yeah, when you were speaking about like the Grimm's fairy tales and things of that nature, there is literally a story called the Jew amongst the thorns.
04:28:01.020and um but yeah there's there is that sense of materialism um was long preset by germanic folklore
04:28:12.320but changed into more palatable storytelling of the age and also you know reflecting in the world
04:28:22.800around us as stories kind of morph but um yeah we have our ancient stories and the stories that
04:28:30.740we're speaking of about kvasir and all of these things and then we have more the middle age
04:28:36.540stories and so on and then all the way up even to tolkien and his um you know interpretations
04:28:44.120which is still a blending of the two he actually uses a lot of nordic but he also uses a lot of
04:28:49.060middle middle aged uh or the middle ages like um the he was even talking about the language
04:35:26.720with all of those instinct and the lust for stuff,
04:35:31.760be it gold, be it material things, be it lust in a sexual sense,
04:35:38.600be it those raw, undirected emotions and primal urges, if you will.
04:35:50.280So there's something very valid, magically and otherwise, about making use of those things and ordering those things in their proper place.
04:36:07.800They are bad things when they rule your life.
04:36:11.080when you rule them and you choose to express them in healthy ways in context under the direction of
04:36:19.720will they can be very good things so i think there's a big meta story to be told about taking
04:36:27.020the you know more primal chthonic urges and transmuting or purifying them alchemically
04:36:40.160into the highest version of themselves the better attainment of that you know lust if you're just
04:36:50.280out whoring all the time isn't noble and isn't good but if it spurs you on to find a mate and0.61
04:36:57.660to build a family and to be fecund and produce with a worthy mate a a line of descendancy it's0.71
04:37:07.560a wonderful thing. You know, lust after material things, if you're just full of avarice and
04:37:13.740dishonor is not a good thing at all. But if it makes you motivated and, you know, aspirational
04:37:22.000to accomplish, to be victorious, to conquer, to succeed, those are awesome, wonderful things.
04:37:29.360You know, the rage, if it's not directed at anything, if it's because you're flying off0.99
04:37:36.200to handle its stupid things, it's extremely destructive. If it's harnessed because you0.99
04:37:42.820have rightful indignation at a foe or at a wrong that needs to be made right, it's a powerful and
04:37:49.480a wonderful thing. Again, it's the will harnessing those things and transmuting them or at least
04:37:58.060harnessing them and directing them towards things that elevates them. And I do think there's a story
04:38:04.260be told with that in our lore um from lucat i remember hallucinating a vole in my house for a
04:38:12.820month before my end stage heart failure it was proven in fact a hallucination could that be a
04:38:20.100philia or was i just loopy from stress it's fun oh well one thing that lends to the credence that
04:38:29.700it could have been your filca is that it is often said that the filca is seen before death and uh
04:38:38.580you and i have talked before in person about that uh that you have um you know stepped
04:38:45.860beyond the veil and come back so the validity of that is interesting um
04:38:52.740i again one thing for sure is that uh if it manifests the the philgia can manifest in an
04:39:02.980animalistic way in order to reflect the sense of nature the nature of the person um
04:39:12.740also to you know i mean it could be chalked up to um simply a mental hallucination due to factors
04:39:21.300and things going on in the body um i don't really like to degrade that i think that the spiritual
04:39:28.740and the physical and everything are kind of synchronistic with each other but um if your
04:39:36.180spirit has is or your field has projected to you as a vole um there is certain symbolic meaning to
04:39:45.860that um and i i think it goes to say i mean most people are always like you know my film is a
04:39:52.100is a wolf bear raven um it always is something you know super cool but in reality that's not how
04:40:01.460philk is work philk is usually our projection of one's being and their might and they can
04:40:08.580and have and do in in lore change um so there could be a sense of vulnerability there there
04:40:15.460could be a sense of a part of your soul projecting um a sense of perhaps even deeper problems i.e
04:40:25.140there is something burrowing in the ground so there's something unseen that needs to be fixed
04:40:31.940there's there could be a lot to that but yeah i it also the one thing about philkia work that
04:40:39.140i've always found is that there is a deep level of uncertainty in all things um i have seen other
04:40:46.020people's philkia's before in relation to um being projected in some sort of animal form and always
04:40:55.300not quite knowing is that what who and i met a woman and i actually saw her philkia in the form
04:41:03.620of a fox before i met her and um and the the fox was injured and then that pro i should have paid
04:41:13.140attention i didn't even realize the two interconnection but she was injured in a way um
04:41:21.060and it was so strange because it was the night that i met her so i do take stock in this in a
04:41:27.940a looser sense um but it also i think falls deeply onto how you feel that interaction because
04:41:37.300i know you can't explain everything here so it if you felt like it was simply a hallucination
04:41:44.020it probably was but if it had a spiritual significance to you um
04:41:50.260then i would say you know i encourage to look deeper into that
04:41:56.980Yeah, what's Fawn said? Honestly, without knowing more details, it's impossible for us to accurately say that. Could it be just a hallucination because your heart was failing and you were going through a lot of stuff? Absolutely, it could be. Could it be a message? Could it be your philia reaching out to you in some way? Absolutely.
04:42:19.020Could it be the ancestors telling you something?
04:42:22.020Could it be some kind of mixture of both?
04:43:04.400It would be us taking advantage, but yes, that was absolutely your failure.
04:43:08.040What they're saying is you need to donate to New York's off.
04:43:11.520For us to just latch onto that would be inappropriate.
04:43:15.720and we don't have the context but if that's something that is that you want to talk to
04:43:21.320either or both of us about later in a little bit more detail um sure we'd love to talk to you about
04:43:28.280um i didn't want to say uh because i had been mentioned of um that it is mentioned that people
04:43:34.360see their philkia right before their passing um but on the the other side of that is that very rarely
04:43:41.080does a person see their philkia uh let's say without the the precipice of death and passing
04:43:48.760through the veil from my experience most often if you are seeing it um it is not your philkia but
04:43:59.080a messenger an outside source or or point coming to you to to relay messaging because0.68
04:44:07.560Because there is this sense that the Filchia follows you, is behind you, is behind your sight, and when it catches up to you, that is when you see it, and when it catches up to you, it is because you are now traversing through the veil.0.89
04:44:27.340Yes, and again, that's why I was saying.
04:44:29.640That's why it makes it a little bit more compelling.
04:44:32.420the convergence but for other folks listening you know if if you see a wolf or something in
04:44:38.780your dreams generally i i've always taken that that is the an outside source or uh could be
04:44:45.860your kin filkia i'm not saying that that people can't have you know there's different senses to
04:44:53.400a filkia's um the soul of the collective people versus the soul of the individual but um i will
04:45:01.160say this much other people will have a tendency to see your philkia without you either even
04:45:07.860intentionally doing anything about it um they will have some sort of um moment of running
04:45:15.500into or or having this animal kind of appear in their life and if they're not openly looking
04:45:23.100or communicating that you'll you'll never really hear it but your philkia can uh bridge
04:45:30.020that gap to other people and almost subconsciously telling them your nature showing them your true
04:45:36.900nature so if you do run into someone and you see a lot of animal imagery in relation that's probably
04:45:45.300their philkia and it's again that communication is on a deeper more symbolic level and uh and it
04:45:54.100doesn't happen fast usually unless i you know you're greatly gifted but i have i have had it
04:46:00.820but it usually takes a long time i have to be around someone for a very long time before i
04:46:05.540start to see these signs that are letting me know and it's like wow that i wonder if that's their
04:46:11.780philkia i wonder if that's their primal nature i wonder if their soul is reaching out in a
04:46:16.660subliminal way to show me their deeper nature but at the end of the day i still can't fully confirm
04:46:25.060or if it's just yeah yeah so finn wraith has seen christians and muslim exorcism or exorcists who
04:46:34.340claim to cast house out norse gods who they claim are demons do you have any thoughts on that yeah0.87
04:46:40.580that's ridiculous yeah um well of course they're gonna say our gods are demons yeah that's first0.94
04:46:46.020that's dumb secondly well okay here's the thing the nature of and i i'm i'm completely unfamiliar0.98
04:46:55.620with muslim exorcism but christian exorcism is entirely based around invoking jesus's authority0.98
04:47:07.940or the archangel michael's authority to make you do stuff
04:47:11.940the idea that get out because jesus tells you to one of our gods and our god oh wow cool we better
04:47:23.220get out of here is preposterous on the face of it and it's very self-serving for them to
04:47:30.600characterize things that way now again there is a long history in exorcism of deep quote unquote
04:47:39.840demons claiming to be different stuff than they are and being dishonest so maybe there's some
04:47:47.680you know tricky demon trying to ride coattails and pretend there's somebody that they're not
04:47:54.560i don't know i can't speak to that but no our the icr don't occupy christian and muslim people0.59
04:48:02.240and have imams and priests say the power of christ compels you get out and then them comply
04:48:10.080they are not compliant with the power of christ does not compel them to do anything but perhaps
04:48:16.260chuckle um yeah you never see these uh uh possession things they're always uh speaking
04:48:24.300in either latin or you know greek or aramaic or wherever conveniently like christianity has kind
04:48:30.500always done its thing and then um but you know it's like you never like what language is this
04:48:36.260guy speaking and it's like old norse you know it's like oh no that's not
04:48:44.180yes i think that that is very convenient for semitic religions to
04:48:51.780claim that all of everyone else's gods are their demons and that's just that's preposterous and
04:48:59.380it's preposterous kind of on the face of it um swan also so from uh lucat spawn that tie do you
04:49:07.940have a new tie knot to share it looks like i've been rocking the coverage i've been rocking the
04:49:13.780same i have two knots that i know how to do eldritch and trinity uh the trinity knot or the
04:49:21.140tripartite knot no i i've been rocking that because it's a little easier than the eldritch
04:49:26.260and it holds together gather better but the eldritch knots still really cool it's just that
04:49:31.940once you take it off uh it has a tendency to unravel and when you do the trinity knot it locks
04:49:38.580itself in so you can actually undo it put it up on your you know tighten it back up and put it on a
04:49:44.980hanger or something you need it pull it back and tighten it right back up that that that makes me
04:49:53.620said. No, no, no. I can do it from, that's another thing that you don't want to do it too often
04:49:59.080because it wrinkles the tie. So a lot of times, you know, now I can do it by hand, but I prefer
04:50:05.680the Trinity knot over the Eldridge knot. You've got me up in my game to doing the double Windsor
04:50:13.100instead of the single Windsor. That's the best I got, but there's not enough tie. It's very hard
04:50:17.900for me to with the tiny little nub of of tie and make it work and chest torso ratio right
04:50:26.460because before i started to run a tie the double windsor i didn't realize there was i mean i guess
04:50:32.460i did realize there was different lengths of tie but it never really was a factor now it's like i
04:50:38.380have this tiny little nubbins i'm trying to work around and if i'm wearing a vest it will help to
04:50:44.300where i can kind of have a little bit of slack with it but and you look like fred flintstone
04:50:50.620if you because if you do too much of it it's like yeah i can't have a like down to my you know the
04:50:56.860end of my sternum little tie right that that's preposterous i probably could have had a vest
04:51:03.420though had a high cut vest anyways uh i think i dropped down a little bit lower here we go
04:51:13.500a question i recently saw a raven grab and take off with a rat did kill the rat i didn't see that
04:51:21.520but i think so if this was a sign what might it mean i think enemies will be defeated swan what
04:51:28.920are your thoughts uh when we talk about and it's very similar to the question or with the with the
04:51:34.780philgia when we talk about signs and omens um some people take great stock in it some people don't
04:51:42.800and you can't really i don't think it's abiding too much either way though again people who take
04:51:51.920great stock in it can be misled very easily by uh natural occurrences but um in this case you know
04:52:03.520here is this moment where you see this bird especially a bird that's not commonly associated
04:52:10.000as being a bird of prey uh picking up a rat um and there are there are clear associations that
04:52:17.360we have as with symbology in that and if you felt like your enemies are going to be kind of found
04:52:23.600out or that they are amongst you um and what have you then that i think actually takes that
04:52:30.480that instinct that initial flash of inspiration definitely has some merit in in omenology and in
04:52:41.520like you know just foretelling through sign um and oftentimes people would argue that the
04:52:48.400oral works in layers and those layers are just repetitive drum beats of that which the the
04:52:54.880the from the microcosmic to the macrocosmic all things are struck once with the beat of the drum
04:53:03.040uh or you know the percussion of of movement and all actions so that which is big happens small
04:53:10.560etc etc and uh you know that which is done in deed is done almost symbolically through nature
04:53:19.040or what have you um especially when we are in these mundane moments and then all of a sudden
04:53:26.100something so strange like that happens um but i think that if that was your inclination and
04:53:33.980your first flashing was that you have enemies amongst you and the raven was a representation
04:53:38.120of you weeding them out i think that has validity to you yeah it certainly could it really depends
04:53:46.660on your circumstance and i think to again like the previous question i
04:53:56.020so we used to have these things on the talk shows on montel williams or whatever else you'd have
04:54:04.820these psychics or whatever come on and they take these random things to the audience and they tell
04:54:09.780you this big elaborate thing it doesn't really work that way without the context um
04:54:14.820um I don't think we can accurately do that for you in a meaningful way what I do think
04:54:25.320yeah your initial thoughts on it I think that matches up really well with probably what I
04:54:32.640would think it meant if I thought it meant anything um
04:54:39.300could just meant somebody was hungry and it's time to eat some eat some rat
04:54:42.720But you know your circumstances, and if you had foes, like I said, that needed to be uncovered, I don't think rat is just about killing an enemy.
04:54:56.680I think it's about uncovering and defeating a hidden foe or a shady, subversive foe as opposed to an eagle fighting a raven or something would be much more about defeating an enemy.
04:55:22.260I think this is more about uncovering a hidden enemy or somebody who is a traitor or somebody who is of a coward or someone of low character being defeated.
04:55:44.280Are you aware of any other religions in America that have any similar beliefs?
04:55:48.240mainly asking uh for modern american religions that would agree on most modern american cultural
04:55:55.180issues type of stuff thanks swan what what say you i i'm not i mean similar in in certain respects
04:56:06.580absolutely i think that i speak of openly about my religion to my clients my clients
04:56:13.020there are no house of true clients they are mostly christian of various forms but there are certainly
04:56:19.440things that we agree on and then there are certain things that we don't and um but when it talks
04:56:25.680about american cultural issue or yeah cultural issues um i think that there are ethical people
04:56:33.000there are philosophical people and there are religious people and all of them have a certain
04:56:40.020sense of that overlap and agreeance with the you know we are not all individual islands unto
04:56:47.380ourselves we share space um there are certain things that are inequivocably evil and wrong um
04:56:55.620and so on so you get you know the if me and my client or someone of a different religion
04:57:01.780are sitting there talking about you know uh thievery um in the sense of just simply taking
04:57:08.660you know uh or um murder or what have you we could go into details and certain things religiously
04:57:16.580but we we're in general agreeance because as a culture as americans um but then if they say you
04:57:24.420know in order to be a good person you have to submit yourself entirely to this rabbi that
04:57:28.420lived a long time ago obviously that's where we deviate so it's kind of hit or miss but it's like
04:57:34.900paralleling uh no it's out like aussitrew and again aussitrew is i mean the paralleling between
04:57:43.620christians and aussitrew i think has more dependency to do on whether or not that
04:57:47.780christian is a european descended christian because again there are certain values that
04:57:53.220christians from other places uh we do not have parallel with it could be a korean baptist or
04:58:00.340or what have you and they i feel like there's less of a congruency there but if the christian
04:58:06.900is a folk person uh then there is that because our religion is a folk religion and and those
04:58:14.420people are still folk even though they are following a way that's uh veneered european
04:58:21.780for quite a long time long enough to make it stable in its veneer but yeah yeah
04:58:39.780the the trickiness is in the details of the question there are traditionally minded people
04:58:46.500because the divide in this country is so huge real and i'm just going to put it out there real
04:58:54.040religious people agree with us on a whole lot of traditional social issues men or men women or
04:59:03.280women um you know your kids shouldn't go to tranny story hour um whether it's good bad or otherwise0.75
04:59:14.960race exists um yeah there's there's absolutely such thing as right and wrong uh the victim0.65
04:59:25.320mentality thing is bad all the degenerate culture things that have gone on the last 20 years 30
04:59:33.320years i think most truly religious people share on that in the sense that they are pious and they
04:59:43.280have respect for a higher power than themselves. They have respect for an ordered, structured
04:59:49.120society. So I think there's that point of commonality. I think a lot of people who claim
04:59:57.220to be religious and are just rebellious, they're like the, you know, we're Christians, but we've
05:00:02.800got the rainbow flags on all our stuff, on our tranny female pastor thing and whatever they're0.91
05:00:08.500doing they're just virtue signaling to the left of people that kind of want the what was it from0.88
05:00:15.700the uh jay and silent bob people with the like your buddy jesus like ah um yeah that's not real
05:00:26.860that's not real um real religious people i do think share that kind of traditional worldview
05:00:34.400but that's not really about theology it's about an alignment of yourself recognizing your place
05:00:42.660in an ordered existence with a higher power and with some ordered structured things then there's
05:00:49.280some other things about just being decent people and otherwise you find that more commonly i would
05:00:54.140say with deeply religious people than you do with people that don't have any any faith system but as
05:01:01.300far as specific American religions that share a commonality, this is really odd, and I don't
05:01:08.460really claim there's a lot of commonality, but it's an interesting overlap that I've noticed
05:01:12.360recently. Pentecostals take an interest in Ausitru in a way that other American Christian
05:01:22.420sex don't not sure why that is but i have noticed that is an increasing interesting kind of segment
05:01:32.500of overlap or people who are interested it's like there's a group of people that
05:01:40.020are outside of the mainstream of christianity that are very spiritually inclined but are very open to
05:01:47.620more mystical miraculous experience in a way that i think other christians aren't so i think they're
05:01:56.260a little bit more open-minded to perception of things than maybe more mainstream sects of
05:02:05.120christianity are not sure if that's the case or not but i have noticed that that's kind of an
05:02:09.800increasing and interesting phenomenon ah does Loki have much of anything to do with the three
05:02:19.400months of the year that are not included in the time a human is being formed in the womb
05:02:26.300I don't think so I've never thought of that I don't see any reason to believe that's the case
05:02:33.260there's lots of varying gestation periods amongst mammals and i don't really see anything there
05:02:41.600what about you swan yeah i've never heard of anything of that uh said before um i definitely
05:02:49.520uh i don't know i it almost sounds like something mark would say
05:02:54.920you know the binding of loki is also in congruence with the fetus or uh
05:03:00.980um but uh the biggest thing i would say is it's worth remembering that the binding in the in the
05:03:18.080latter half um i don't yeah i mean as far as like months to birth no i i don't i've taken to i've
05:03:25.720heard some thoughts about how uh loki entered the material the physical world and um when his
05:03:35.980father far bauti the far shooter the far striker um and that that's analogous for a meteorite
05:03:44.140hitting a leafy island um i've heard that before and that was pretty interesting but
05:03:51.620um as far as like in relation to birth or children uh or gestation not really generally i don't think
05:04:00.000that he is held too tightly to any truly natural processes that involve uh gender in its proper
05:04:10.240places and the the inception of life and things of that nature he's kind of the opposite he's um
05:04:16.860you know things aren't the way they should be and it's clearly like setting off the alarm bells
05:04:23.340then yeah that's where he's at all right so last question of the night
05:04:29.640from sierra sorry it's been covered but do you think christianity is truly monotheistic
05:04:39.060considering they have multiple higher powers they call upon uh god jesus the holy spirit etc
05:04:46.220uh uh is it all the same one swan um judy is right now the jesus tripartite okay so jesus
05:04:58.060jesus judaism comes from a polytheistic worldview don't tell them that no they hate this very much
05:05:09.260i don't like that yahweh is from the from the the canyon uh but it was tailored specifically to the0.67
05:05:16.460needs of a specific group of semitic people so a lot of and i bring this up because christians will
05:05:24.620utilize a lot of the old testament to kind of hype up you know oh they they called on their god and
05:05:31.020we called on our god and all that stuff and um it's kind of a very passive way of saying like you
05:05:36.780know we we are the chosen ones um they're kind of riding on the on the coattails of the old testament
05:05:43.740but as uh christianity formed and changed the interesting thing was uh was jesus mortal was
05:05:53.500jesus not a moral they fought an entire war on this and interestingly enough when christianity
05:06:01.980comes into europe all european all arian faith is built upon the tripartite after the father and the
05:06:10.140mother the father and the mother produce the tripartite the part type the tripartite becomes
05:06:17.100the the the fulcrum of order and they didn't have that they had a biphetic relationship there was
05:06:26.220the mortal yahweh there was i mean there was the mortal uh yeshua and the immortal omnipresent yahweh
05:06:33.820um who again was plucked from a from a pantheon um but then on top of that it started to evolve
05:06:41.660and get even wilder and and i think it even started in judaism so a lot of people are
05:06:47.180unfamiliar and the reason why i think that it's truly not a monotheistic religion is one the
05:06:53.180rabbit hole of looking down who yahweh's wife is with translations of the staff that's a rabbit hole
05:06:59.580to go down so there's a father and a mother in a way um or isn't they would say no but i would say
05:07:06.780at least it makes them a little bit more understandable um but then you look at uh
05:07:13.180there was a time when christians you could ask a christian right now what do they think about um
05:07:18.700azrael and they would be like oh that sounds like a demon name no i repeat that jesus get behind me
05:07:26.060and all that stuff and it's like no azrael at one time was highly honored amongst christians
05:07:32.300as the angel of death and the psychopomp that brought the souls before yahweh um and they have
05:07:39.420totally let that go um and again you know any anything with an el at the end they they don't
05:07:46.700realize um that's that's hebrew and aramaic and l in the front because the jews called their god
05:07:54.700not yahweh they called him el ohim which uh according to my knowledge is the god of the
05:08:01.900people and then any other thing beneath him and there is a multitude have the el at the end like
05:08:09.740azrael and uh zazel but then half of there's a big war and half of them get sent down and they
05:08:19.020still have their names um and their names are you know conveniently like good work of god or um
05:08:24.940power of of l and um again this is just a byproduct of the canaanite religion of paul
05:08:34.380baal ba and all all at the end meaning is like our our word for ouse so they just simply took
05:08:42.860the word ouse and made that the deification of their people so it's it's really interesting and
05:08:50.380funny but they are not truly monotheistic even though they will swear it vehemently but even i
05:08:57.020growing up um and going to christian churches and stuff the um i was always just like man what
05:09:02.620What level of power does, because they're always talking about Satan and deception and trickery and all of that stuff, like what level of power does this being have to this other being?
05:09:14.060And then as I got older, it's kind of realizing that both of those beings, at least in Christian minds, have different names, but aren't actually that different.
05:09:21.860You look at the perfect example is the story of Job, where, you know, Yahweh Elohim and Hasatan, the opponent, are talking to each other about how they're going to just tear this guy's life apart for end results.0.80
05:09:41.640And if you look at what a Hasatan is and Judaism and so on, you kind of begin to realize like it's like the bad guy and the good guy are not really that separate.0.92
05:09:51.300They're just kind of two sides of the same coin.0.96
05:09:55.380But they do have all of this satellite things.0.88
05:09:59.820And then Catholics take it another step further because they are direct descendants of Roman paganism.0.68
05:10:05.460so uh their worship of mary um is again just as much like the goddess worship um in a fitting0.92
05:10:15.840sense but and and then they take mortals and that's the really that's the really sad part
05:10:21.000about that is they take the mortals of uh people who have died for their religion um and
05:10:29.540and pray to them like we do and but we're up front we we honor our ancestors we honor people
05:10:37.820who transcend uh for their faith die for their faith or protect their people um but they do it
05:10:44.660but they lie and say they don't it's it's only glory and worship unto god etc etc and i think
05:10:51.960that's uh you know a great reason um they're built in the hypocrisy and even judaism does it
05:11:00.500there was uh where they would go not as rail but azazel they would place their sins into a goat0.52
05:11:08.000and send the goat out into the wild lands to be you know snatched up by bad things and the idea
05:11:14.660was that they were giving up their sins to this fallen angel um that would take it from them so
05:11:25.940it's it's a misnomer it just it makes them feel better about themselves i think yeah i
05:11:32.420I, it, yes, I think, and so this is a tricky answer.
05:11:42.300Yes, I think most people who call themselves Christians in the United States are monotheists.
05:11:51.400because i think that modern christianity as time has gone has forgotten or been convinced
05:12:01.640to move beyond its origins i think most people common sense common sense kind of dictates that
05:12:12.860their God exists as like God. And then he had a son, Jesus, that hangs out with God and is like
05:12:22.320his right hand go to guy. And that the Holy Spirit doesn't really make any sense. It's just
05:12:29.620a nice way of saying God telling you to do stuff. I think that most people common sense it to that
05:12:36.140and don't dig deep into origins or theology or any of those things. So I think your average
05:12:42.480american baptist is probably a sincere monotheist that's due to his ignorance not due to actual
05:12:51.840christianity right um i think that if you try to make the christianity that is presented to you
05:12:58.400biblically make sense that is monotheistic i think when you know how that all came about
05:13:05.520It is very apparent all of the ways that it's not, beginning with their God himself is clearly, you can trace his root back to he won out amongst a bunch of other Semitic gods in the area of, you know, who's the top dog and going to have the cult that wins out over the others.
05:13:25.700you see the interesting terminology of you know not that other gods are are false but you shouldn't
05:13:34.920have any other gods before me in the commandments which is kind of telling or he couldn't go
05:13:41.820northward to where the gods of the iron wheel was yeah there's other there's there's in the
05:13:48.700old testament there's a number of different places where the divinity like other divinity is mentioned
05:13:55.540um if you look for it or you know that it's there but as that evolves into you know the
05:14:04.760christianity of the apostles i think had a brief moment where that was monotheistic
05:14:10.420because they were very intentionally trying to contrast themselves with the paganism surrounding
05:14:18.280them so i think the apostles were monotheists i don't think that any of the apostles thought
05:14:24.120jesus is god and there's like a god that's in heaven but also a god that they were hanging out
05:14:30.360with i don't i think the apostles were monotheists but very quickly and i say this too so maybe
05:14:40.440ethiopian or you know coptic christians might be monotheists um i don't know that's so foreign to
05:14:49.720me i don't really know what they do catholicism has always been overtly pagan since its dawn
05:14:58.120all of the debates about the trinity are really telling and interesting
05:15:03.560when it becomes obvious that they are polytheist no no but they're all the same person
05:15:13.880but in no way that anybody found that made sense so that was always a constant struggle
05:15:21.880as it went into europe and then you see very quickly and you can argue
05:15:26.840like one supreme god and then if you worship and deify saints is that really lots of gods
05:15:36.440or is that just a god and a bunch of like demigod like um lesser you can and i see that argument i
05:15:46.120don't i think that we get it's silly to fight that too far it is absolutely idolatry and it violates
05:15:54.760It's the, their God is a jealous God and you can't venerate anything else that's not Yahweh or Jehovah.
05:16:04.860If you're worshiping Jesus or you're worshiping Mary, that's against that very fundamental tenet of that faith.0.60
05:16:13.720So it becomes very, very confused in medieval times.
05:16:18.240the veneration of saints and praying to them for intercession
05:18:22.100But yeah, you see, again, it goes through a lot of different stages if you trace it from the Jewish roots all the way through Christianity and into modern times.
05:18:30.840Like I said, I do think we're in a state where it is currently monotheism because I think most people just don't really think about it that hard.
05:18:37.680And it makes a lot more sense just to say, oh, God, that OK, cool.
05:18:42.620But again, that's due to ignorance, not due to them being awesome Christians.
05:18:46.920Well, and I was going to say one thing, too, I saw in the chat with Jason, he had made mention about the Babylonians.0.95
05:18:54.100And I think it's worth noting, yes, there was the time when the people that would eventually be known as the Udahites or the Judeans or the Hebrews were enslaved by the Babylonians.
05:19:04.920and you can clearly see their influence 3 000 years before the bible is written the story of
05:19:12.840the flood up in the epic of gilgamesh is almost word for word the same in in in um with noah's
05:19:23.320ark so that that that info and the tree and the serpent and the snake in the garden with the fruit
05:19:29.080all of that babylonians so yeah you know they nothing comes out of a vacuum obviously our0.99
05:19:35.680religion has evolved from stone age time to now i mean there's a difference between being honest1.00
05:19:41.840and not though and that's right but that's the thing if you're honest about the evolution of
05:19:48.700your faith and similarities of semitic people and whatever there's a case to be made but it's not
05:19:55.220it's very much plagiarized right but they say it's the one truth yeah and that's that's dishonest
05:20:03.860um but yeah it's not honest it's not really monotheistic if you are a scholar it is maybe
05:20:10.500if you're the guy down the road that you know listens to creed whoa hey you'd be nice creed
05:20:20.500is wonderful i'm not a fan i've never been a fan i'm a fan of creed but creed probably is
05:20:27.140monotheistic because i don't think they know a whole lot about jesus exactly so you established
05:20:34.020you're supporting you've already explained them i don't i support them because their
05:20:40.180music entertains me is fun to sing along with right and it's powerful
05:20:44.100not because they have spiritual gravitas right
05:20:51.380but i mean i think that also has to do with the fact that i'm 43 years old and uh you had to be
05:20:57.380there so um that said we're going to call it a night this show went way longer than i thought
05:21:06.340it would we did in fact cover a little bit more of the lore than we did two weeks ago we're going
05:21:12.660going to cover still more of it for you in two weeks until we get there next week we are going
05:21:18.460to speak with newly ordained gothi jonathan rock and he's going to have things to tell us about
05:21:24.920corn and other things um so it'll be awesome i'm looking forward to talking to one of our
05:21:33.360most charismatic gothar and a really interesting guy that's got a lot of really good things to
05:21:40.200share with us. So that'll be fun next week. Uh, remember if you can, we would appreciate any and
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05:22:13.540The letters are way too small for me to read what dates those are, so I don't know what
05:22:18.240to tell you other than fourth week of June.