Asatru Folk Assembly - 4⧸2⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 143 - Völsunga Saga, Part II

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00:03:00.000 hello and welcome to another exciting edition of victory never sleeps

00:03:09.480 my co-host witness fawn will be joining us shortly it is good to talk to you all once again

00:03:18.240 so upcoming stuff for the top of the show that i should mention

00:03:27.420 And we have, yeah, it's already that time.

00:03:34.300 Our next AFA event is Midsommar at Odin's Hof.

00:03:41.400 It's in Brownsville, California, and it's likely to be our biggest event of the year.

00:03:47.800 That doesn't mean others can't surpass it, but we'll find out.

00:03:51.120 That's typically our biggest event of the year.

00:03:53.580 This year we are celebrating 30 years of the Ask True Folk Assembly,

00:03:57.640 so it's going to be an important one and not one to miss.

00:04:02.440 Pretty excited about that.

00:04:03.900 If you can make it out, we would love to show you.

00:04:06.100 This will be the ninth Midsummer Celebrated at Odenshof,

00:04:15.440 so it's going to be a special time, and we look forward to seeing you all there.

00:04:20.440 If you can make it, do.

00:04:21.860 And then in July, we'll be celebrating Sigur Bloat at Sigur Hame.

00:04:27.820 And that's going to be fantastic.

00:04:30.080 I am excited to get back out there to the property.

00:04:33.560 That is our property in Jackson County, Tennessee, that many of us are going to move to and build the AFA future from.

00:04:44.780 And producer Nick is already out there getting a beachhead in that.

00:04:50.860 So if you can make it to that, that would be awesome too.

00:04:54.840 We are joined by our amazing co-host and other news at the top of the program.

00:05:07.080 As you guys know, and I've heard me talk endlessly about, we are trying very hard to pay off the remaining debt that we have on New York's Hoff.

00:05:18.060 We are over 80%, 80.4% right now the way it paid off, which is fantastic.

00:05:25.720 We have now officially gone under, we owe less than $50,000.

00:05:31.080 At present, we owe $47,873.

00:05:36.200 That comes out to, if every member of the OSTU Folk Assembly were to go ahead and donate right now,

00:05:41.820 if they donated $66, we would have that paid off instantly.

00:05:46.600 We're getting close.

00:05:47.720 I want to accelerate.

00:05:48.720 I want to race and finish strong on this so we can get solid progress moving towards establishing Fraze Hoff.

00:05:56.960 So if you guys can help, if you guys are able, we need it.

00:06:01.200 We appreciate it.

00:06:02.060 And we're very thankful to everybody who's donated thus far.

00:06:04.700 Speaking of that, at the top of this broadcast tonight, GW Farnsworth, our extremely consistent and extremely generous contributor, has donated $100 towards paying off New York's off, as well as $30 for this broadcast.

00:06:27.320 so we appreciate that a lot thank you so much if you want to donate if you can donate runestone.org

00:06:36.600 and backslash donate and that's going to get you there and we really appreciate it

00:06:44.040 yeah we appreciate everybody who has been so supportive and donated thus far we want to

00:06:48.600 really see what we can do to make that last bit of progress and see how fast we can get

00:06:53.320 the finish line on it so thank you guys so much um when last we uh went through this

00:07:01.960 we did not make it very far into the text but that's okay uh we are we're here for the long

00:07:07.800 haul this is you know this text is about a thousand years old so i don't think it's

00:07:15.880 you know it's not like we got a particular time schedule on it and we would like to savor it and

00:07:23.320 So we'll see where the discussion takes us, but we'll try to hit a little bit more of it tonight than we did a couple of weeks ago. If you guys will recall, I had to leave early last time because I was flying out to Ostara at Thor's office.

00:07:36.420 um so we didn't have it in time to share it with you guys last time but if you guys can see

00:07:44.700 the video and I don't know if Nick has a link or not I'm sure he'll throw something up if he finds

00:07:50.300 it but there was a really really nice video about the event done by a member of ours Jace and with

00:07:57.340 a musical number by a member Russ and it was really cool it was really well done and I think

00:08:06.040 really encapsulated a very beautiful weekend so if you guys want to check that out when uh whenever

00:08:10.680 we find it here find it yourself it's nice give it a look with there we go there's link because nick

00:08:20.680 is on it um also so you guys can follow along the list bow.org is going to be where we are reading

00:08:33.640 from that is an awesome source if you guys are if you guys are just joining us and you're not

00:08:39.400 a frequent listener that's where swan and i are reading from when we're going through the eddas

00:08:44.680 and uh we we did not do our due diligence and check to see if it was there but it's where we

00:08:51.640 should have been reading ale saga from because it is also there and the saga we're reading tonight

00:08:57.400 is there so it's a really neat site for lore and it's got the side by sides between the trance

00:09:03.640 related version and the original old Norse so you can kind of cross-reference it's cool to get a feel

00:09:11.320 for what the original language is like and it's also really informative the better you understand

00:09:15.940 it to kind of check if something sounds funky and see what the original was because every now and

00:09:22.660 again the translator gets a little gets a little loose with the translation um yeah so if you want

00:09:29.860 follow along there and let me see i don't even recall exactly how far we made it last time

00:09:37.780 through chapter four i thought i thought we were further on i thought that um but i again sometimes

00:09:46.660 i read a little bit ahead i feel like we finished chapter four and that sounds right yeah we're about

00:09:54.660 start chapter five definitely the pulling of um the sword that was taken out of uh bronze stock

00:10:04.340 the the tree in the hall laurel then places it in there and then they pull it out

00:10:11.700 or sigmund pulls it out and um begins the the legacy

00:10:17.620 um it's because people it's because people get envious envy envy is the root of uh many and evil

00:10:29.480 oh um i was gonna say uh uh sierra chapman in the in the chat she asked if you could plug the walk

00:10:38.680 i don't know if you if if you did that or not i did not so the different half districts are doing

00:10:48.600 a walkathon um donations to go to the winning hof um nick just posted up the link it's going on all

00:11:02.040 month 25 donation gets you a buy-in on the walkathon and the 100 of the proceeds go towards

00:11:10.120 the hof that you are choosing to represent with your donation you put that in the notes

00:11:15.240 um i don't know if there is a rule about you know repping a half outside your district or not

00:11:21.880 um so far nobody put a different half i'm just if they win you know that if that half district wins

00:11:30.280 that off district wins if you put a special note we can try to we can try to make something

00:11:36.200 different if you if you if you want to throw your money at a different half but we'll see

00:11:41.080 um but yeah check that out um it's a good excuse to donate to one of the hoffs towards our icer

00:11:50.200 and to get out and walk and get some exercise this spring

00:11:53.560 ah with that it's fun do you have any notes for us at the top of the show or do you want to dive

00:12:00.920 right in uh no other than just a little brief recap of um understanding about king volsung

00:12:09.720 and his um coming into power um and the the semi-historical and semi-mystical lands um in

00:12:21.320 which these are mentioned because predominantly these stories probably started in the migration

00:12:27.640 area era during um wars in the east with the between the goths and attila the hun and by the

00:12:37.160 time that it was formulated into a poem in the late uh nordic period or viking age um

00:12:44.760 There had been layers added on and historical people become almost characters in the play as they are layered on.

00:12:57.960 And it is given and presented to the audience as being recent.

00:13:05.940 But again, Attlee is clearly Attila.

00:13:10.160 And so the audience would be listening to these and they oftentimes used broad term names for lands and that the audience might not have even knew where goth land was by the time that this story was recounted.

00:13:28.160 um their ability to know these things were limited uh they didn't have the internet they

00:13:34.400 didn't have voluminous amounts of uh literature and information so um the stories of the goths

00:13:43.440 may not have been uh absolutely apparent as they are to us in relation to time

00:13:52.080 um so just bearing that in mind and then also there is the clear parallel to the arthurian

00:14:01.440 stories which again uh may lend to the fact that the arthurian legend of the pulling of the sword

00:14:09.760 um may have had germanic origin um

00:14:14.480 um but in this story there is a sword placed within a tree the tree is the center post of a

00:14:22.640 great hall and it is lord odin who comes in and places the sword in and begins the cycle the the

00:14:33.240 sword is an implementation of lord odin's will it is the caveat that starts the succession of all

00:14:42.340 things. Not that it's doomed. Initially, it's to bring about greatness. But overall, you begin to

00:14:52.460 see the jealousy, as you said, and the faulty, perhaps leadership and or desires of those with

00:15:04.480 the sword. The sword is pulled for glory, but it is almost as if the divine that is given amongst

00:15:11.280 men oftentimes is torn down by the avarice of of those of the men that carry it so so let's put a

00:15:22.480 put that in bold highlighter let's tattoo that on ourselves let's make note of that

00:15:33.360 this is a recurring theme throughout our lore it is a painfully recurring theme throughout our

00:15:40.560 history it is a painfully recurring theme that we see all around us and is a unfortunate pox upon

00:15:50.480 our folk what the gods ordained for us is often squandered by pettiness by envy by disloyalty

00:16:06.480 and by infighting. We see, very seldom do we see massive defeat in our history and our lore and in

00:16:19.060 our lives by foreign, you know, hordes of different folks. What we see is internal rot and decay 1.00

00:16:26.940 from disloyal people, from people that want to usurp or want to take what others have out of,

00:16:38.320 you know, out of base instinct. And when that chaos is internal, it eats away the divine order

00:16:48.440 in a catastrophic way when we stand united as folk we are unstoppable

00:16:56.240 but we are often stopped by the pettiness and the short-sightedness

00:17:02.820 of simple people with selfish desires

00:17:07.240 yeah that that is absolutely what this divine caveat is placed within the hands of the people

00:17:17.660 who are all together having a feast and because one draws it out the others instead of

00:17:24.500 gathering under the banner gathering together with this divine moment they uh they as particularly

00:17:34.460 king sigur starts he becomes jealous just like you said and that's where we will see that that

00:17:41.840 the the fallacy of our folk being unable to unite even under divine auspice um because

00:17:51.920 they wanted themselves or something of that nature is how might things would be if recognizing that

00:18:01.120 odin put the sword there for the rightful ruler to have oh wow amazing brother-in-law that you

00:18:10.800 have that sword how fantastic how can i help you right what a tremendous dynasty would have happened

00:18:17.040 from that wow actually that's very poignant we haven't even gotten started oh you're doing it

00:18:24.080 again okay so well but that's honestly that's fine that's that's the point of this lord the

00:18:29.600 the history part and the story is educational in and of itself and it's fun and it's entertaining

00:18:35.840 but the lessons that it teaches us are eternal and are the meat and potatoes of how to

00:18:45.200 live ausitrum and that's why we're bringing this all to you so i don't i recognize that you guys

00:18:52.800 may want us to get on the story sometimes and we certainly will tonight but that is really

00:18:56.720 important that we are going to take those stops to do it um but before we do uh last thing and

00:19:02.240 and then i'll have spawn get into the meat but you guys are awesome in the couple of minutes

00:19:09.680 since i asked we have uh bill in tennessee donated 70 to pay off new york's hof thank you so much

00:19:18.620 bill uh james in indiana donated 65 to help pay off new york's hof thank you so much

00:19:27.300 Thank you, James.

00:19:28.880 And Jarrett in Virginia donated $70 to help pay off New York's off.

00:19:34.460 That was in five minutes, maybe.

00:19:37.640 Thank you guys so much.

00:19:39.100 Thank you, Jarrett.

00:19:39.840 Thank you, James.

00:19:40.620 Thank you, Bill.

00:19:43.340 Much, much appreciated and fully believe that Lord New York appreciates your generosity as well.

00:19:51.000 Thank you.

00:19:53.760 So, Swan, take us into Chapter 5.

00:19:56.340 Okay, chapter five.

00:20:00.980 Chapter five of the slaying of King Volsung now tells the tale of King Volsung and his sons that they go at the time appointed to Gothland at the bidding of King Sigir and put off from the land in three ships, all well-manned, and have a fair voyage,

00:20:25.100 and made goth land late of an evening tide so uh goth land and my reference when i was speaking

00:20:37.760 of goth land is of course the kingdoms of the goth in the eastern europeans but gothland which

00:20:43.340 is an island off the um uh east coast of sweden so not to uh i just wanted to emphasize that so

00:20:53.620 people are like i thought you said they didn't really know where they're where that was um

00:21:00.980 but that same night came signi and called her father and brothers for a private talk and told

00:21:08.500 them that she deemed king singeer was minded to and how that he had drawn together an army

00:21:17.460 no man may meet and says she he is minded to guilefully by you whereof i bid you get ye gone

00:21:29.460 back again to your own land and gather together the mightiest power ye may and then come back

00:21:36.500 hither and avenge you neither go ye now to your undoing for ye shall surely fail not to fall

00:21:46.020 by his wiles if ye turn not on him even as i bid you so i think this is worth noting again too and

00:21:54.580 we've mentioned this in the first is that the writing of and the translation of this story is

00:22:03.220 very wordy very uh it's it's choppy to read and it's built more on theatrical

00:22:15.460 well over meaning so the meaning can be very simple but there will be a great amount of

00:22:22.020 dramatics placed upon it so she's basically saying that sigur is conniving against and will

00:22:34.580 ambush them they're walking into a trap and that they shouldn't go

00:22:38.340 but instead they should all go back and build their army um and then meet with him that they

00:22:46.100 would have a better chance and would not be you know brought under his his um kind of trick if you

00:22:52.900 will uh and then speaks volsung the king all people and all nations shall tell of the word i

00:23:02.180 spake yet being unborn wherein i vowed a vow that i would flee in fear from neither fire nor sword

00:23:13.700 even so have i done hithro and shall i depart there from now or shall i depart there from now

00:23:22.980 i am old so he says i before i was even born i was bound by oath to never flee from fire or sword

00:23:32.180 I've kept that oath my entire life, and you want me to back away now that I am an old man?

00:23:39.420 Yea, with all, never shall the maidens mock these, my sons, at the games, and cry out at them that they fear death.

00:23:48.700 So never will women be able to level the accusation of cowardice against him and his sons when they gather for the summer games. 0.94

00:23:59.780 again, this kind of gives a peek into the possibilities of the normalcy of women demanding 0.51

00:24:08.180 that the menfolk are strong and that they would scorn men who were unable to stand up or fight

00:24:19.320 in their battles or ran. And he says, I will not have that happen.

00:24:23.780 he says the maidens will not mock these my sons at the games and cry out at them that they fear

00:24:35.060 death once alone men are messed must all men need need die and from that season shall none escape

00:24:43.900 So my read is that we flee now whither, but do the work of our hands in as manly wise as we may.

00:24:55.800 A hundred fights have I fought, and wiles I had more, and wiles I had less.

00:25:02.500 And yet, even had I the victory, nor shall I ever be heard tell of me that I fled away or prayed for peace.

00:25:11.220 so he uh he says that we none of us will escape death that our time is faded um and that our

00:25:23.560 glory is only bent on our willing to attain and he says that by his read his read is his uh

00:25:32.720 his counsel or his oathing his decree is that he will not flee and that he has had a hundred fights

00:25:41.760 and he has faced cunning in great amounts and in little amounts that's what they meant by when he

00:25:49.580 says the wiles um wiliness he faced wily and in multitude he's way faced wily's in small amounts

00:25:58.520 He shall not stop, and he will never go down in history to be known as one who fled away from a fight or begged.

00:26:05.500 I thought it was profoundly put that he vowed while still in the womb.

00:26:10.820 Yes, before he was born.

00:26:14.100 That he is not that guy, that he is going to fight, and he won't turn his back in fear.

00:26:21.760 and uh i just think that was really really beautifully put um that some of those pieces

00:26:30.640 in the lore you'll have these you know these just amazing moments of phraseology that are so very

00:26:38.880 very inspirational but that one is that one means a lot to me that one hits me in a really powerful

00:26:46.280 way yeah and i and i wonder too i always when i see that i i'm like is the meaning or is this

00:26:56.600 the poetic supposed the poetics hit really hard is it meant to be that hard or is it kind of like

00:27:03.180 the equivalency of saying you know long before i was born but it hits harder with saying i i've had

00:27:10.240 an oath since the womb that's the thing is not just that he's not a coward and he's you know

00:27:17.360 not afraid there's a certain amount of stoicism to that but this is more of a bold heroism that

00:27:24.100 he's not just resigned to like ah well when death comes you know i'm not gonna shy away from it but

00:27:31.020 no he's gonna embrace the struggle every moment every battle every chance he gets and he's gonna

00:27:38.980 go out like a man whenever it happens and him and his family will be noted for their courage

00:27:45.140 and he's been set upon that course his entire life you know so much so that he describes it

00:27:52.980 as vowing it within his mother's womb that that's that's what's going on so he says um

00:28:03.700 let me see i'm just double checking the uh where i went down so there there it is okay so then

00:28:13.300 signi kept right sore and prayed that she might not go back to king sigir but king volsung

00:28:20.080 answered thou shalt surely go back to thine husband and abide with him whosoever it fares

00:28:26.240 with us howsoever it fares with us so and for those that might not remember she was

00:28:34.000 uh in essence a very much a political marriage but that marriage in that midst of um unification

00:28:42.400 between the two families was still pointless because the moment that the volsung's got the

00:28:48.000 sword sigir plotted and so now she's come to to speak to her father and speak to her brothers and

00:28:56.560 tell them this is a trick this is he's he's laying a trap for you and still none that none the why

00:29:02.880 or none none of that matters he's going to press forward hey svan we've got a man in the chat

00:29:09.200 that says you might remember him as the man that walked 20 miles just to say hi one time

00:29:18.000 Yes. Why does? Yes, I do. I'm glad he's, he hasn't been, I haven't seen him in a long

00:29:29.000 while. I wonder where he's been. He's out there walking. It takes him a while to get

00:29:37.300 there um yes he should come by again um human slayer you need to walk on back to uh to visit 0.81

00:29:53.020 witness fawn again or give me a call and i'll just come pick you up there you go that's an option

00:29:58.760 too well that's good that he's he's uh he says he's moved and he's been busy oh okay

00:30:06.680 yeah uh definitely um and i did help him get back but he he walked a long ways um

00:30:16.600 okay so there's a follow-up on uh somebody being mocked by uh internet reddit pagans

00:30:25.080 for even speaking to the afa folk um

00:30:31.960 yeah i i don't think there's much to fear from the the adorners of grandma's couches um

00:30:40.040 internet reddit pagans quote-unquote pagans have uh they got a lot of opinions on things

00:30:46.360 a whole lot of opinions not a lot of deeds but a lot of opinions

00:30:49.400 right exactly not a lot of accomplishments but a lot of opinions um yeah and i i being mocked by

00:30:59.040 by redditors is sometimes i think that's even like it's right that means you're doing something

00:31:04.860 right right the team it's like counting how high the bites on your uh on your legs are from the

00:31:13.560 jackals like uh or how low they are um yeah well and again i mean we just uh there's so much that

00:31:23.600 counters their their narrative they're just not willing to see it or look upon it

00:31:29.340 all right so where are we now so now we have that signi who is the daughter of volsung

00:31:39.280 married to Sigir.

00:31:43.540 Sigir has called Volsung

00:31:45.400 to Gopland, the island in the east.

00:31:49.640 And Sigir tells them

00:31:52.020 that there is going to be,

00:31:54.300 that he's ambushing them

00:31:55.660 and that they should go back

00:31:57.320 and get an army.

00:31:59.020 And her father says,

00:32:00.180 no, the three boats,

00:32:02.480 the three groups of men we have here

00:32:04.320 is plenty enough.

00:32:05.520 I will not shy away

00:32:07.300 when there's a fight.

00:32:08.920 dawning um and then she says don't don't let me go back and he says no

00:32:15.580 you you were oathed in marriage go back and um you know stand to your oath no matter how

00:32:24.920 this scenario fares with us so signi goes home and they abode there that night but in the morning

00:32:34.420 as soon as it was day Volsung bade his men arise and go a land and make them ready for battle

00:32:41.880 so they went a land all of them all armed and had not long to wait before Sigur fell upon them

00:32:48.560 with all of his army so what she said is true he sends them up to get ready and

00:32:55.880 sigur descends upon them uh and the and the fiercest fight there was betwixt them and sigur

00:33:06.340 cried on his men to onset all he might and so the tale tells that king volsung and his sons

00:33:16.140 went eight times right through sigur's folk that day smiting and hewing on either hand

00:33:23.980 But when they would do so even once again, so there's eight, and then on the ninth, being a very significant number, King Volsung fell amidst the folk and all his men withal, saving his ten sons, for mightier was the power against them than they might withstand.

00:33:44.260 And when they mean by he moves through their folk, the general idea, there's no horses probably in play at this with the fact that they were coming by ship, but more so formations, that these formations were moving.

00:34:04.560 And for people who are interested in like ancient warfare, the idea of like the shield wall punching through, but in those times, it was very likely for these two armies to be anywhere between 30 and 300 men.

00:34:23.160 and uh you could punch through especially the smaller unit would punch through and they it

00:34:30.200 would break the opposing army but then they would reformulate on the other side and then it would

00:34:37.920 turn and go again so it's far worse than say like what hollywood might make us think is is uh there's

00:34:46.520 really no chance for you to go anywhere it's about plowing through the line and then having

00:34:52.600 to turn around regroup figure out grab weapons and then continue on again of course the heroism

00:35:00.280 and the absolute entertainment of the glory of this story that the audience is listening to

00:35:06.200 is yes he goes through eight times but on the ninth time he is felled

00:35:11.560 but now are all his sons taken and laid in bonds so they're the remaining sons are captured and

00:35:24.020 are placed in chains and led away and signy was wherewithal that her father was slain and her

00:35:31.420 brothers taken and doomed to death that she called king sigur apart to talk with her and said

00:35:37.360 this will I pray of thee that thou shalt let thou shall let not slay my brothers hastily but

00:35:46.700 let them be set a while in stocks for home to me comes this the saw that says sweet to eye while

00:35:56.860 seen but longer life I pray not for them because I want well that my prayer will not avail me

00:36:04.180 so she asks him to not execute them right away but she also says that she does not wish for them

00:36:13.580 to stay in bond too long but that she wishes wishes to reminisce of of their sight before

00:36:23.940 they are taken away um and she says unfortunately i don't think you're going to heed my request

00:36:31.440 and he answers in return surely thou art mad and witless praying thus for more bail for thy

00:36:41.000 brothers than their present slaying so in essence why why are you asking for them to be in bonds

00:36:48.640 and imprisoned longer when i could put them down now and they would not suffer

00:36:55.920 uh yet this is this i will grant thee for the better it likes me the more they must bear

00:37:03.620 and the longer their pain is or or ever death come to them so the only reason why he's keeping

00:37:11.300 them in bondage and keeping them um imprisoned is because he takes a greater joy and that death

00:37:18.620 would be an escape for them now he let it be done even as she prayed and a mighty beam was brought

00:37:28.320 and set on the feet of those 10 brethren in a certain place of the wild wood there they sit

00:37:35.620 day long until night but at midnight as they sat in the stocks there came on them a she-wolf from

00:37:43.600 the wood now this part of the story folks is when it gets really interesting and the connection of

00:37:50.800 the wolf songs in relation to the wolf wear and or the wolf strap or the ulvi ulvi there's a lot of

00:38:03.200 that layered in this part of the story um but in reality too let's look at it this way they take

00:38:14.400 them out there and place them in stocks in the woods in the wilds out there to be victimized by

00:38:22.160 the wild bears wolves etc um and that's the intention but the story begins to shift and take

00:38:33.200 some of the more mythical parts to all of this and some could say it was this is the part where

00:38:39.740 it's initiated um so they uh

00:38:45.320 they're in the wildwood they sit day long until the night but at midnight as they in the stocks

00:38:53.000 there came upon the machine a she-wolf out of the woods and both great and evil of aspect

00:38:58.440 so this monstrous female wolf and the first thing she did was bite one of those brethren till he 0.79

00:39:05.120 died then she ate him up with all and went upon her way the next morning signi sent a man to the

00:39:14.900 brethren even one whom she most trusted to what of the tidings and when he came back he told her

00:39:22.080 that one of her brothers was dead, and great and grievous she deemed it. If they should all fare

00:39:28.640 this doom likewise, and yet not, might she avail them? Soon is the tale told thereof.

00:39:38.860 Nine nights together came the she-wolf at midnight. Each night slew and ate one of her brethren,

00:39:47.420 until all were dead save sigmund only so now before the tenth night came signi sent that

00:39:56.980 trusted man to sigmund her brother and gave honey into his hands bidding him do it over sigmund's

00:40:05.680 face and set a little deal of it in his mouth so he went to sigmund and did as he was bid

00:40:13.000 and then came home again

00:40:14.940 so that the next night came

00:40:17.460 the she-wolf

00:40:19.680 according to her want 1.00

00:40:22.040 would slay him and eat him 0.99

00:40:24.300 even as his brothers 1.00

00:40:25.420 but now she sniffed the breeze from him

00:40:28.260 whereas he was anointed with honey

00:40:30.100 and began to lick his face 0.98

00:40:31.960 all over with her tongue 0.99

00:40:33.960 and then she thrusts her tongue 0.99

00:40:38.900 into his mouth

00:40:39.920 no fear he had thereof 0.97

00:40:43.000 but caught the she-wolf's tongue with it betwixt his teeth and so hard she started back 0.91

00:40:50.040 there at and pulled herself away so mightily setting her feet against the stock that all was 0.99

00:40:57.000 riven asunder but he held ever fast that his tongue came away that her tongue came away at

00:41:04.520 the roots and thereof she had her bane so i mean that is i love that part of the story the the the

00:41:17.560 sad part is every one of the brothers of the vol songs is eaten by this large almost uh you know

00:41:27.400 evil troll wolf and then at the last and final part sigmund who we know survives this situation

00:41:35.720 because sigmund is the father of sigrid the dragon slayer no spoilers well i mean okay yeah

00:41:44.060 maybe i'm assuming who doesn't know the stick no no um but he places that honey in his mouth and

00:41:52.560 face and as she's licking and licking and licking and then she goes to lick the rest of the honey

00:41:56.860 out of his mouth he clenches down and in her pulling and and yelping she places her giant

00:42:04.060 paws upon the stockade and she pushes everything over and he falls back with her tongue still

00:42:12.460 hanging from his mouth and of course she is a wolf and cannot obey the wound the blood seeps out of

00:42:20.380 her uh tongue at the roots and she passes a blood loss or drowning in her own blood or dry yes

00:42:31.500 going down her throat it is that's very metal um so but some men say that this same she-wolf was

00:42:43.500 the mother of king sigur notice that i was alluding to the the the troll wolf um that's

00:42:52.700 king sigur's mother who had turned herself into the likeness by trolls lore and witchcraft

00:43:01.820 so when people ask oftentimes like is there an equivalency of what we would call like a demon

00:43:07.580 and and i had spoken about the word demon in the greek language and how it was co-opted

00:43:14.780 by the semites in order to explain what they would call a shadim um 0.58

00:43:22.620 for the nordic lands and the germanic folk a truly evil spirit is a troll and troll magic troll

00:43:31.900 witches are in equivalency to to demons we have um we have witches night nor near not or hexanoct

00:43:43.260 coming up um this next uh moon or a month and one of the purposes the great purpose of this holy

00:43:53.980 tide is to anoint the folk that gather with smoke to defend them against the wanton desires of

00:44:03.320 destruction by chaotic forces and they are usually seen as the the ill witches the troll witches on

00:44:11.480 the edges and our lady folk bless the the men and the children with herbs to protect them against

00:44:21.140 these creatures of ill fate and ill bane.

00:44:28.360 And that's where the origin of that holy tide comes from.

00:44:32.240 And there has been additions to it along the way, especially post-Christianity.

00:44:38.480 But those origins are why people might see that coming up in this next month

00:44:44.640 when you see perhaps women wearing red hoods or red capes and or wafting smoke with brooms

00:44:53.400 is because they're protecting against the ill fate of their menfolk against creatures like

00:45:02.720 sigars. Keep in mind, and I don't think we talk about it as often as some people do in a different

00:45:09.120 context but there is a spiritual spiritual warfare that goes on on the subtle plane

00:45:17.360 in a way that we don't always talk about amongst our folk they're very much

00:45:26.320 forgive the way this sounds good witches and bad witches there are you know women doing spooky

00:45:33.440 stuff that's malevolent and there's women who are protecting and enchanting the folk in a good way

00:45:44.400 and there's probably those on both sides of different teams i mean there's aggressive

00:45:49.440 spiritual battling going on by good guys and bad guys or just people on different teams

00:45:55.360 um but those things do exist the other thing to keep in mind um

00:46:03.440 we are we are folkish and our faith is based around our cosmology as it relates to us and

00:46:13.760 our interaction with the world but we're also not idiots we exist in a shared existence with a bunch

00:46:19.440 of other people a bunch of other forces and a bunch of other things they're a phenomenon that

00:46:25.600 our people notice and in different um different religions different parts of the world some of

00:46:32.720 of these natural some of these things have different names a different understanding

00:46:37.520 different elements to them but the reality of there are bad spiritual forces out there that

00:46:47.240 mean to do harm that oppress people that could occupy and possess people that certainly afflict

00:46:55.580 people negatively that exists in our faith but not in the same way because we don't have the same

00:47:02.120 ingrained victimhood

00:47:05.060 within us 1.00

00:47:06.920 that the Semitic faiths

00:47:09.240 you know like 1.00

00:47:10.760 Volsung swore in the womb

00:47:12.920 to be courageous

00:47:14.680 and to face

00:47:16.140 you know peril

00:47:18.180 it would seem that

00:47:20.940 in those faith structures 0.93

00:47:22.200 they almost swear in the womb

00:47:24.120 to be open to

00:47:26.780 victimization

00:47:27.580 Hi Eldred

00:47:28.700 Hi

00:47:29.760 um so yeah they opened themselves to i think a little bit different experiences with bad forces

00:47:36.720 but those things are experienced in different ways we don't we know those things to be true

00:47:44.160 and those things existing um so yes i'm gonna keep in mind so that closes out chapter five

00:47:51.120 before we go on to chapter six i want to thank alexander our folk builder in florida

00:47:58.720 donated a hundred dollars towards paying off njortzhoff appreciate that um

00:48:05.280 in this show so far that is 305 towards paying off njortzhoff much much appreciated and also uh

00:48:15.520 And Jacob bought two coffees.

00:48:21.920 That's a $10 donation.

00:48:24.900 We appreciate that.

00:48:26.160 It says, hail the gods, hail the folk, hail the AFA.

00:48:29.400 Thank you, Jacob.

00:48:30.540 And thank you, Alexander.

00:48:35.280 Yeah, I see White Horse Alcatrice is speaking of, yes,

00:48:42.500 the the the meaning day demon and daemon and um you know to go into that uh but i was again

00:48:53.300 pointing out that those words like angel like the angelos uh is co-opted for malak in aramaic and

00:49:04.820 then um shadim they they co-op the word daemon um and in for its utilizations and we see that a lot

00:49:15.300 but then there are people that begin to wonder uh we were talking about this in relation to evil

00:49:22.740 entity evil spirit evil evil will and is it present in alsatru and i had brought up that

00:49:29.140 you know of the absolute belief of of fenris fenris um and his his slobber his spittle is dripping

00:49:40.500 into the black lake and he is brought from the upper realm the heavenly realm into the middle

00:49:46.340 realm and when that happens there is an exchange between jotenheim or vanaheim into the middle world

00:49:53.940 and that his his influence is still seeping um and so there are there are things i think

00:50:03.700 comparatively that perhaps um people coming from a christian background could understand in relation

00:50:09.460 to uh do we have i know a lot of people try to say like that we we present loki like a devil-like

00:50:17.380 figure and i i don't necessarily agree with that i think more so would be would be fenris but

00:50:23.460 ultimately it's that culmination of of chaotic powers trolls one thing that i just want to

00:50:34.820 i want to put out there that it's important to look at with etymology

00:50:38.500 because we talk about what the word like daemon means versus demon

00:50:44.820 ultimately what that is is when 0.83

00:50:48.900 the christians or the jews living in the hellenistic world see and experience a phenomenon

00:51:00.220 that's the name they ascribe to it based on elements of their understanding and it gets

00:51:06.920 applied differently as medieval times go on and the conception of what that word means

00:51:12.780 might vary but we should never get the word confused with what it describes and i say that

00:51:25.500 to say a number of things i think we do this with runes a lot

00:51:30.060 yes colloquially to talk about runes we're talking about the stick drawings on a piece of wood or a

00:51:36.780 rock i get that but fundamentally that's not the rune that is the sigil of the rune the rune is

00:51:44.780 the mystery that that sign conveys so it's just like when we talk about the gods it's really

00:51:53.340 informative and really important to break down what their name means because that tells you

00:51:59.340 what our ancestors so closely linked them with as to apply that name to them

00:52:07.900 they aren't that that is a way of understanding them they are a person that is beyond that that

00:52:14.700 our ancestors adorned with that name because that was their best way to understand them but to limit

00:52:21.420 beings and phenomenon to the name that ancient people assigned to them is to put on blinders to

00:52:30.820 bigger implications um if some you know jewish desert spirits wanted to interact with us badly

00:52:41.980 yeah we might call them trolls or troll wives or something else whereas the hebrews might call 0.93

00:52:50.320 them something completely different, it doesn't negate that there's a bad spiritual force from 0.99

00:52:57.580 somewhere trying to interact negatively with you, be it some, you know, African ooga-booga

00:53:03.600 hoodoo demon at you or whatever it might be. Whatever you call it doesn't negate its existence 0.98

00:53:11.820 and its potency. So we should look for the, there's probably a really cool philosophical

00:53:19.620 term for what I'm trying to say, but we should look for the reality beyond the name, the

00:53:29.860 reality beyond the simple expression to fully think about the truth of something.

00:53:37.520 And I think that while we're on the note of negative spiritual forces arrayed against

00:53:48.500 us. I think we always do ourselves well to consider those things in a logical way and not to react out

00:54:01.220 of fear. Anytime something is looking to take advantage of people, they looked for the most

00:54:07.840 easy targets. They look for soft targets. They look for victims. And in a lot of ways, on this

00:54:15.400 side of the veil or the other, those forces most easily target people who are afflicted with fear.

00:54:22.740 If you have courage and you are confident in your own efficacy and your living right,

00:54:29.560 you are in a optimal position to resist those forces. If you build a good relationship with

00:54:36.520 your ancestors, with the Aesir, and with your Filgya, you have forces on the other side

00:54:42.540 looking out for you and helping you in that struggle so don't ever feel powerless to to

00:54:49.900 those forces and those things it's not the case um and the other thing i was going to say is

00:54:55.300 we do ourselves a disservice when we try to compare our lore with other religions is this

00:55:02.560 if there's a one for one like who is our devil figure it says we have to have a devil figure

00:55:08.240 We don't. I reject that. Loki's not like anybody else. Loki's like Loki. And Loki is bad. And the enemy of the Aesir, the betrayer of the All-Father, the slayer, the architect of the slaying of Balder and of bringing misery to every little thing, every living thing besides himself, literally.

00:55:31.760 And that said, we stand firmly and resolutely against him now and forever. 0.97

00:55:38.240 uh the um the comparison of nomenclature when um white horse ostrich was talking about like

00:55:47.580 the um the different types of daemons that would be there's evil daemons and non-evil and and and

00:55:56.200 and so on and so forth it reminds me very much of what we would the confusion that we get with

00:56:01.320 word alvar alvar are always the complete synthesization of whatever's in front so alios

00:56:10.920 alvar is a being of light a svart alvar is a being and when we speak of svar that we have to

00:56:20.760 understand what that means is sooty and grimy gritty like the like the earth and and like coal

00:56:28.440 and like rock and doc alvar are alvar of the darkness they have taken the path of hell's road

00:56:38.280 so these beings coming back i think alvar gets a lot of confusion and that's why i think

00:56:45.720 daemon gets a lot of confusion but trolls certainly are

00:56:49.960 uh sometimes i you know even the word thurser is thrown around and i think that the one problem

00:56:58.840 with that is even though thurser i think is a good word to possibly use and may be actually

00:57:05.320 the origin of the word troll um snorty uses the word thurser um i think a little too liberally

00:57:15.960 just to exclaim anything that is not of the gods and that is where it gets um strange and that

00:57:25.960 causes some confusion if when when uh booty is licked from the ice and then urged to go northward

00:57:35.080 to live amongst the jotens that live there he refers to them as rim sir sir and that would then

00:57:43.960 imply that they were somehow dastardly and terrible but amongst them booty takes a wife 0.91

00:57:53.000 so um and has a child with them so i think that the word thurser i do understand its etymology

00:57:59.240 is really really historically good and correct but its usage throughout i think was misunderstood

00:58:06.120 the word jotin in general i think snorty was applying um because it fit the gap that he needed

00:58:16.600 um to fill so but um yeah any of this stuff here at the end you know is that she you know took to

00:58:24.360 the likeness by trolls lore and witchcraft so the essence that i think a lot of folks need to

00:58:33.480 understand there's people out there who will try to convince you that saver magic is some sort of

00:58:39.560 evil magic um and just broad stroke it as evil um however it was clearly seen that there was good

00:58:50.840 and bad there was uh saver in usage for good things and there was the ability to use saver

00:58:58.680 in bad ways and more distinctly right here is that the troll the outlandish the east

00:59:07.080 that the east representing that which is outside of the bounds of humanity of the folk and of the

00:59:14.440 world um formulating themselves um as they did in vengeance against the gods and against mankind

00:59:24.600 uh these trolls uh riding wolves and another thing too that people might be wondering is

00:59:30.120 like why are they always women and it's because the troll male was seen as the brutalistic force

00:59:39.640 the projection the crushing the the the rock throwing and just aggression whereas the troll

00:59:50.920 witch or the the the feminine troll did not work in outright willful but in ways of twisting fate

01:00:01.240 and um guile utilizing more uh passive or receptive forms and that that applies

01:00:10.360 it's like when you play the video game the the barbarian is a dude and the the sorcerer is a

01:00:17.000 chick until we got to more twisted modern degenerate times honestly that is that is a

01:00:24.360 common theme and this goes into a question we will answer another question i promise we will

01:00:28.440 get through more than one chapter an hour uh or we will endeavor to but um

01:00:35.560 the other question is that uh odin is a god of magic what kind of magic is he a god of um

01:00:43.400 Um, that comes into this. So, so many things are based on context.

01:00:53.200 There, you know, we talk about good or bad Sather. I think that really depends on who's doing what to whom.

01:01:02.700 Um, you can certainly use Sather to just victimize well-meaning noble people for no good reason, but your own malevolent delight.

01:01:13.400 um but you can also do it to protect and look out for noble people doing noble things or to try to

01:01:24.280 act against you know vile and evil persons uh or you could just be on the other team than somebody

01:01:32.120 else and if they've got you know safe kona doing things to you and you have safe kona countering

01:01:38.760 those things and doing things to them doesn't always have to be a bad guy magic is a tool to

01:01:44.880 accomplish an ends and that ends can be motivated out of good things or bad things or just conflicting

01:01:51.480 things but we do need to be fair-minded when talking about that it does bring us to the

01:01:57.440 all-father and what he's a magic of or what he's what magic he is the master of and a great we have

01:02:06.140 we have broken down the concept of magic over the years in the west through arcane circles but also

01:02:19.260 through nerd circles and anything else into a variety of different things we see him being the

01:02:28.120 master of a great many types of magic of runic sigil magic of galder magic of saver magic of

01:02:40.900 uh necromancy um i think that if i went through

01:02:48.060 if i went through like the the player's handbook i could probably find other magical things that

01:02:56.280 you know a divinatory magic um he seeks to know all of the magics and that's kind of

01:03:05.400 writ large the story of the all father is finding not just the surface wisdom

01:03:13.800 of the nine worlds but also the subtle wisdom um swan do you have anything to add on that

01:03:20.340 yeah no i was gonna say that's the theme like what you had said is to know all the magics

01:03:26.220 And, you know, we could we could classify and, you know, we have to take into a realization of the way our ancestors hearing the stories that, you know, he's accused of doing strange things or partaking in strange ritual or stirring up strife with magic.

01:03:52.040 um it is a tool and the people that try to say that say their magic is evil and runic magic is

01:04:01.180 good or something of that nature they're trying to create a dichotomy that isn't really supported

01:04:06.760 in lore uh you know we do see in the sagas that runes are utilized they they went to a woman

01:04:13.600 she carves runes into driftwood and throws it out and she or she walks around the driftwood

01:04:20.240 thrice in widershin throws the wood out it drifts to an enemy or the the man that asked this rune

01:04:27.680 woman to do it drifts to an enemy that enemy's going out and using his axe to chop it into

01:04:34.560 firewood hits his knee he becomes sick and thus the rune magic works in which fate happens that

01:04:43.120 way um and then we also see like an ale saga where carving the wrong runes um causes woe um

01:04:54.640 so yeah these tools are are utilized and i think our ancestors um did understand the difference

01:05:02.560 between projected will and receptive power receptive power has the ability to take the

01:05:10.000 universe in and kind of pull the strings whether it's a dc or a nornier and nornier means which

01:05:19.840 the twisting of fate and of these things that's very receptive whereas the masculine is projection

01:05:25.760 forward and anytime anything went against or around that in some strange way um it could be

01:05:32.480 leveled especially as an accusation as we spoke about in in uh how about where lord thor accuses

01:05:39.760 harbarth of practicing uh satir with these troll witches um another thing too is that they would

01:05:47.600 often kind of equate troll witchery without landing ideas or outlandish ideas so a lot of 0.77

01:05:55.680 times the the nordic folk would look at the fins the fins were seen as a people who were adept in

01:06:02.960 strange magics um and so the accusation that i think that was laid in um ale's saga when um

01:06:14.400 or certainly in in uh eric the blood axe his wife being trained by fins in troll magic so there is a

01:06:22.480 lot of that there too it's it is partially a snapshot into the glimpse or a snapshot into

01:06:31.120 the history of our folk and the way that they classified and created hierarchy but it's also

01:06:39.520 excitement of the story and building and i think this needs to be said too

01:06:44.800 when we're talking about diverse types of magic there's

01:06:53.520 there's levels of there's a lot of different things under the umbrella of saver

01:07:01.120 What is effeminate about it is when what you are doing is opening yourself up to become a vessel for another consciousness to act through.

01:07:17.160 The idea of you giving up control and you taking the passive role in that to where you are, to be blunt, where you are allowing something else to enter you and to possess you in that way is inherently effeminate and the female role in the way that the world works. 1.00

01:07:44.080 you know there's indies and outies in the world and that's that way for a reason when you are 0.92

01:07:50.440 projecting will that is inherently masculine when you are a vessel for the projection of another's 1.00

01:07:58.240 will that is inherently feminine and taken to the point where you are being taken under control by

01:08:06.360 another entity that's that's very much a feminine thing and whereas that's concerned we do see it

01:08:15.520 used you know as a an accusation of ergi uh for for guys to do that but there's other things to

01:08:24.220 where you were doing divination through that or you were you know trying to receive messages from

01:08:32.300 the other side there's a difference between you know grandpa telling you something in a dream

01:08:40.640 versus grandpa overtakes you and you speak as grandpa in a seance not to be silly but it

01:08:48.320 illustrates two very similar phenomenon but expressed in a very very different mechanism

01:08:55.000 one of which is typically masculine the other is typically feminine

01:09:00.080 it's fun where are we at chapter six so at this point um we now know that signi who is

01:09:14.180 volsung's daughter and has has wedded the uh the now the enemy king um has lost her father

01:09:24.260 and all of her brothers save one sigmund sigmund rips the tongue out of a wolf and now he's loose

01:09:33.580 in sigur's kingdom and we will see now how that how this develops between uh her sister being

01:09:44.120 or his sister being in the kingdom and him now loose and out and he is uh in the wild

01:09:52.960 and what develops from this.

01:09:57.380 Chapter six of how Signy sent the children of her and Sigir to Sigmund.

01:10:06.720 So this is where it gets pretty dark as well in understanding.

01:10:11.900 This is uncomfortable for a lot of people.

01:10:14.260 Yes.

01:10:16.940 But considering these times and the political marriage that it was

01:10:21.120 and Sigur is the slayer of her siblings but also her husband and this yes is very the the dark and

01:10:32.080 brooding nature of the wolf warrior-ness it it's all very condensed here um

01:10:42.320 now when as Sigmund is loosed from the stocks and they are broken he dwells in the woods

01:10:51.120 and holds himself there.

01:10:53.800 But Signe sends yet again a lot of tidings,

01:10:58.360 whether Sigmund were alive or no.

01:11:00.880 But when those who were sent came to him,

01:11:04.580 he told them all as it had bedded

01:11:10.080 and how things had gone betwixt him and the wolf.

01:11:13.400 So they went home and told Signe of the tidings.

01:11:18.180 But she goes and finds her brother,

01:11:19.760 And they take counsel in such wise as to make a house underground in the wild wood.

01:11:29.280 And again, this is another symbolic point about the barrow for the living, the groundhouse, the place in which they're hiding out as an earth mound that we will also see again its significance.

01:11:48.760 significance but she her brother and her create this mound in order to hide

01:11:56.280 because they're still living in the lands of the king sigir um and there is still one volsung

01:12:04.680 remaining and so things go on a while signy hiding him there and sending him such such things as he

01:12:13.720 needed but king sigur deemed that all the volsungs were dead go to bed um so he's determined they're

01:12:25.080 all gone but secretly this is not the case and vengeance looms in the woods now sigur had two

01:12:34.760 sons by his wife whereof it is told that when the eldest was 10 winters old sigmy sends him to

01:12:44.120 sigmund so that he might give him help if he would in any any wise strive to avenge his father so the

01:12:52.680 youngling goes to the wood and comes late in the evening tied to sigmund's earth house and sigmund

01:12:59.240 welcomed him seemly in fashion and said that he should make ready their bread but i said he will

01:13:06.920 go and seek firewood therewith he gives a meal bag into the hands while he himself goes to fetch fire

01:13:15.720 when he came back the youngling had done not at the bread making and then asks sigmund if the

01:13:21.480 bread be ready so he tasks him and the child didn't make the bread but had the you know audacity to

01:13:33.240 say when's the bread ready and this is again another point being told to the audience this

01:13:40.440 child sigur's kids uh even though it's this is signi's children as well they are

01:13:50.360 unable to do a simple task this is uh again a kind of sign of um

01:13:58.840 appulence or disrespect or basically usefulness they're completely useless and expect everything

01:14:07.720 and it would be setting the tone for the audience um

01:14:15.480 says the youngling i durst not set hand on the meal sack because somewhat quick lay in the meal

01:14:23.400 now sigmund deemed that he wanted that the lad was of no such heart as that he would

01:14:28.760 be famed to have him for his fellow so he's determined that this child of sigur and his 0.84

01:14:36.920 sister is of low worth and when he met his sister sigmund said that he had come no nigher to the aid 0.96

01:14:44.840 of a man though the young league were with him then signi said take him then and kill him for 0.95

01:14:51.240 why should such one live any longer and even so he did so this winter wears in the winter uh next

01:14:59.240 winter signi sent her next son to sigmund and there is no need to make a long tale thereof

01:15:05.880 for in likewise went all things and he slew the child by counsel of sigmi

01:15:12.200 and again this is in reference to the nature of sigir um

01:15:20.360 that also being that sigir is the slayer of her father and her brothers and so in essence once that

01:15:31.800 that the slaying and revenge is called upon this is extending that revenge um

01:15:41.880 it is again a very very brutal part of the story well and you guys might note yes this is also

01:15:50.880 kinslaying it gets really i try to reiterate this as often as i can the biggest lament amongst our

01:16:00.880 fold is strife amongst kinsmen because you can't exact your vengeance on the other team

01:16:09.120 so every act of vengeance that you do if it's an inter-family feud

01:16:16.160 weakens your family there is every single act in vengeance that you're supposed to take care of

01:16:24.000 just keeps digging you deeper in the hole so you have an obligation to avenge the only people you

01:16:33.120 can take your vengeance on are people who share a hymenia with you and who share a blood tie with

01:16:39.840 you so it's a a true tragedy amongst our folk when you have that amongst kinsmen because there's no

01:16:47.760 nobody wins you try to rebalance the scales and some stuff has to happen but that's another thing

01:16:54.880 to keep in mind the the taboo and not in its casual sense but in the actual meaning of the

01:17:05.280 taboo against kinslaying isn't absolute but it is very significant like there are times where

01:17:13.440 you've got to be the one to do it you know if you have somebody in your family that's got to go i

01:17:19.840 suppose better you do it than somebody else in a way there's circumstances where you clean up your

01:17:25.440 own backyard there are circumstances where he's killing a nephew to avenge a father and it's it's

01:17:35.680 all bad but sometimes when there's a vengeance over writing kinslaying

01:17:44.480 you have two very important very important principles very important taboos

01:17:50.880 that butt up against each other and the protagonists of our sagas very often have to make

01:17:56.640 make the choice of you know the best of two evils and uh that's on display here in a particularly

01:18:07.840 disturbing and graphic way

01:18:12.960 well in chapter seven we come now to the birth of sin fealty the son of sigmund

01:18:20.240 so on a tide it befell as signy sat in her bower that there came to her a witch wife

01:18:30.700 exceedingly cunning and signy talked with her in such wise 0.89

01:18:36.580 fain am i says she that we should change semblances together she says even as thou wilt then

01:18:48.140 And so by her wiles, she brought it about that they changed their semblances, and now the witch wife sat in Signy's place, according to her read, and goes to bed by the king that night, and he knows not that he has other than Signy beside him.

01:19:11.240 but the tell tells of signi that she fared to the earth house of her brother and prayed him

01:19:20.880 give her harboring for the night as the witch as the uh saith corner as the as the um

01:19:28.140 how did they said the the witch wife

01:19:33.140 for i have gone astray abroad in the woods she says and know not whether i am going

01:19:45.000 so he did say she may abide and that he would not refuse to harbor a lone woman deeming that

01:19:54.440 she would scarce pay back his good cheer by tail tail bearing so in essence what he's saying is

01:20:02.020 i'll i will harbor you here but tell no one that i i am here so he's in essence

01:20:08.960 uh bidding on the good fortune that by helping no one the secret will remain that he's hidden here

01:20:19.360 so she came into the house and they sat down to meet and here's another point that word meat

01:20:26.780 is m-e-a-t uh meat did not always just or it didn't use uh initially mean flesh of an animal

01:20:36.040 but a meal so they sat down to eat and his eyes were often on her and a goodly and fair woman

01:20:44.860 she seemed to him so the the witch wife is not bad to look upon but he doesn't know who she really is

01:20:59.100 uh 1.00

01:21:03.820 a fair woman she seemed to him but when they are full then he says to her that he is right

01:21:10.780 fain that they should have but one bed that night she no wise turned away therefrom and so for three

01:21:19.280 nights together he laid in her uh he laid in her bed by him so he said alas there's only one place

01:21:27.020 to sleep um and she did not reject this so they slept thereafter she fared home and found the

01:21:37.100 witch wife and bade her change their semblances again and she did so now as time wears signy

01:21:46.740 brings forth a man child who was named sin guilty and when he grew up he was both big and strong

01:21:55.560 and fair of face and much like unto the kin of the volsungs he was hardly yet ten winters old

01:22:02.260 when she sent him to Sigmund's earth house now if anybody can see this is again a culmination 0.96

01:22:09.040 there there is already bad stuff going on as kinslayers must fight amongst each other

01:22:17.980 and so there is a tragic air throughout this entire story however there's also a point of 0.99

01:22:26.120 sigir's children are half volsung and they're worthless she's about to send

01:22:32.840 the full volsung and his condensement as the volsung line is supposed to be gone 0.98

01:22:39.720 he is now holding two scoops of volsung yes so there is a lamenting tragedy and

01:22:49.960 the audience would be again it doesn't need to be said incest is bad

01:22:55.480 yes this is by no means if your dad if your dad is super cool that doesn't mean you and your sister

01:23:04.280 should enhance that right um that's one of the things about this i think that

01:23:14.680 when reading this it's important to know there's no implication here that this is

01:23:22.520 i don't know what the right word to use is so in other scripture the

01:23:35.880 all of the characters within it that are protagonists are often

01:23:42.760 looked at as faultless or don't do anything wrong or as moral exemplars

01:23:48.520 it's not always the case in our sagas our sagas talk about very flawed people that do messed up

01:23:55.720 things sometimes there's an element of

01:24:00.840 the story is about the heroism and you can see in the stories where something rises to greatness

01:24:10.760 but it doesn't have the air of perfection to it and it wasn't meant to that's not

01:24:17.620 how the world is experienced um that's not how our ancestors experienced the world

01:24:25.400 these aren't though this takes place in a in a semi-mythical time period in you know the golden

01:24:33.080 age of distant past when when we have these stories that are part history and part legend

01:24:42.360 writ large it's not to say that like yeah if you don't like your spouse then you should off your

01:24:51.320 kids you know if you need super good stock then you should double up incestuously or whatever else

01:25:00.280 and i say that it's kind of there's a chuckle to it but but i mean that there's no

01:25:06.360 there's no holy writ that says the line of the Volsungs is without sin or without wrongdoing

01:25:14.400 that's just not how our lore works heroes and you know even people who rise to a holy status

01:25:24.300 are not perfect people perfect people don't exist

01:25:28.020 but they are heroes and the story of the realness of life and how that shapes out

01:25:37.360 is very much an element of our lore like we've said on this show a number of times

01:25:42.660 it would be a lot easier if all of our heroes were perfect if everything was a hundred percent

01:25:49.420 this and zero percent that and every single decision was black and white it's not black

01:25:55.160 white very much exist with an aussitru but there is also and more often shades of gray in the world

01:26:02.680 that we have to navigate with our will as arian people as noble people with the ability to make

01:26:10.280 choices and bear consequences of choices we make and that makes life a bit more messy but it tells

01:26:17.240 real story with real relation yeah heroes without fault are made up or certainly

01:26:29.080 the truth is withheld and what we are told is made up um

01:26:38.760 and this is a bunch of questions stacking and i think they're good questions but we're going to

01:26:43.720 read a little bit more through here before we start hitting the questions hard so if you have

01:26:48.440 a question in the queue stay with us we will definitely be answering all of those this evening

01:26:55.080 and this next part here is just a brief kind of

01:27:01.400 snippet that is interesting and and again can everyone here should be considering like

01:27:06.440 the audience and how they hear this of the time and um i just i found this part very interesting

01:27:12.680 so now as time wears on sigmy brings forth the man child who is and she tells him at 10 winters

01:27:21.280 old to go to sigmund's earth house but this trial she made of her other sons or ever she had sent

01:27:28.020 them to sigmund that she had sewn gloves or her previous children she sewed gloves onto their

01:27:36.140 hands through the flesh and skin so at the spot where it covers the hand and goes to the wrist

01:27:44.360 she sewed them on through their skin and they had borne it ill and cried out there at and this

01:27:54.660 she now did to sin filthy he changed his countenance in no wise there at

01:28:02.140 then she flayed off the kirtle so that the skin came off with the sleeves so she pulled them off

01:28:11.700 and where they were sewn bits of skin came at the sewing seam and said that this would be torment

01:28:20.780 enough for him but he said full little would volsung have felt such a smart as this so in essence

01:28:30.660 She does the very same test of their countenance and his mothers, the children of Sigur and Signy, they cried out.

01:28:44.320 But Sinfulty says, no, my grandfather would never have flinched at such a tiny slight as this. 0.84

01:28:57.280 So we're already starting to see that the whole point of all of this going on is to show the concentration of the Volsung line and the removal of Sigir, both physically, spiritually, and, well, genetically.

01:29:18.180 The line is removing this, and the advocation for her to marry Sigir is kind of buried now. It's gone. 0.92

01:29:27.280 with the birth of sin fealty and the Volsung line is now back up and ramped in terminator mode 0.84

01:29:36.620 of a vengeance because he obviously knows his and views his grandfather Volsung as

01:29:42.960 a great hero and king and that he would not flinch so I will not flinch

01:29:48.740 so the lad came to sigmund and sigmund bade him to knead the bread for their meal while he goes

01:29:57.780 to fetch firewood so he gave him the meal sack and then went out into the wood and by then he

01:30:03.700 came back sinfulty had made an end of his baking then asked sigmund if he had found nothing in the

01:30:10.840 meal i misdoubted me that there was something quick in the meal when i first felt an eating of

01:30:18.500 But I have kneaded it all up together, both the meal and that which is therein, whatsoever it was.

01:30:26.840 Then Sigmund laughed out loud and he said,

01:30:30.060 Not will thou eat of this bread tonight, for the most deadly of worms hast thou kneaded up wherein.

01:30:38.060 So, at this point, the trial, the test, is that he gives them this task.

01:30:46.060 he goes to get the firewood and they um he needs up the dough while he's doing this but there's a

01:30:55.020 caveat that the dough is filled with serpents and the poisonous serpents which he refers to as worms

01:31:06.540 so a lot of people in the modern audience might say like like maggots or something like that no

01:31:13.180 snakes he hid snakes inside the flour and as he pulled them out they could have bit him and he

01:31:21.980 still proceeded to grind them up and turn them into bread so again another legendary form of

01:31:33.820 kind of passing through the threshold and emphasizing to the audience of our ancestors

01:31:39.500 that the volsungs were it was kind of mystical power that he could just instead of he endured 0.96

01:31:47.580 the poison or or simply just moved past it and ground them up with the with the wheat as well

01:31:56.460 now sigmund was so mighty a man

01:32:01.100 that he might eat venom and have no hurt thereof but sin filthy might abide what so venom came

01:32:09.180 on to the outside of him but might neither eat nor drink thereof so sigmund could do it and eat

01:32:20.220 the poison meal but sin filthy could not but he could withstand the bites he could withstand all

01:32:28.320 of that and again this is just really heaping on the two living in the earth mound a product

01:32:36.220 unbeknownst to him

01:32:37.920 unbeknownst to Sigmund

01:32:42.360 that Sinfilthi is actually

01:32:44.620 the product

01:32:46.640 of his sister and him

01:32:48.200 but that now

01:32:49.820 she sends him

01:32:51.440 the absolute

01:32:54.780 paragon of the 1.00

01:32:56.580 Volsung bloodline 0.99

01:32:58.060 so we go to chapter 8

01:33:03.000 the death of King Sigir

01:33:04.500 and of

01:33:06.020 Stigney.

01:33:09.020 So here it's written

01:33:10.700 as Stigney. I'm wondering

01:33:12.720 if that's a

01:33:14.620 misplaced

01:33:17.040 and it's Stigney.

01:33:18.420 Yeah, I assume it's just a typo.

01:33:19.700 Yeah, a typo.

01:33:21.020 If anybody notices,

01:33:23.660 I am sometimes placing in

01:33:25.800 little words to make

01:33:27.400 those typos

01:33:29.460 and

01:33:29.820 off-tempoed sentences

01:33:33.440 is a little bit smoother um the tale tells that sigmund thought sin filthy over young to help him

01:33:42.820 in his revenge he's too young for his plot that he's been working on and will first of all harden

01:33:49.600 him with manly deeds so in the summer tide they fare wide through the woods and they slay men for

01:33:56.700 their wealth. And again, the moment that Sigmund pulls the tongue out of the wolf, but their family

01:34:04.080 pays the price of nine children to the wolf, even though it may have been a troll witch or what have

01:34:12.900 you, this starts the truly dark and mysterious part of this story. And this is in lay of what

01:34:23.360 would be called a vargar an outlaw and a wolf and in this story is it's blended seamlessly together

01:34:33.280 that they are and will become not only uh outlaws or or um harrying warriors going out and slaying

01:34:46.500 and taking but also quite literally become wolves and that is the the poetic meaning of that name

01:34:54.200 kind of being played out here at this point um so they they went through the woods and slayed men

01:35:02.980 for their wealth sigmund deems him to take much after the kin of the volsungs it's really strange

01:35:09.520 you're so much like of my stock i don't know why but he uh though he thinks that he is

01:35:17.800 sigir's son and deems him the evil heart of his father so he's so much of you're so much of my

01:35:25.640 stock you seem like the cut of of my folk but your father is still sigir um and i you know i don't 0.63

01:35:33.100 know how this could even happen um so he is coupled with the evil heart of his father sigur

01:35:41.980 but yet has the might and the daring of the volsungs with all he must needs think him in no

01:35:48.880 wise a kinsome man so he views him as still being of sigur stock patrilineally he does not consider

01:35:59.420 him full kinship um because of sigir but he's battling with this for full oft would he bring

01:36:12.380 sigmund's wrongs to his memory and prick him to slay king sigir so um often he would uh

01:36:25.100 uh encourage that there be that they slay king sigur um now on a time as they they fare abroad

01:36:36.220 in the wood for the getting of wealth they find a certain house and two men with great gold rings 0.97

01:36:43.180 asleep therein now these twain were spellbound skin changers 0.91

01:36:48.700 um clearly here we are speaking of the the werewolf the uh the ability to change your 0.98

01:37:00.620 hammer to change your uh leak or or both um by means of magic and this is when they attain the

01:37:11.520 final piece um to the culmination of them being vargar 0.55

01:37:16.820 so they are skin changers and wolf skins were hanging up over them in the house and every 0.83

01:37:26.140 10th day might they come out of those skins and they were king's sons so sigmund and sin fealty 0.81

01:37:34.540 do the wolf skins on on them they take and then might they know wise come out of them

01:37:42.300 though forsooth the same nature went with them as the uh heretofore they howled as wolves how

01:37:51.060 but both knew the meaning of that howling they lay out in the wild wood and each went his way

01:37:58.980 and a word they made betweaks them that they should risk the onset of seven men but no more

01:38:06.800 and that he who was first to be set on

01:38:09.940 should howl in wolfish wise.

01:38:12.820 Let us depart from this, says Sigmund,

01:38:15.900 for thou art young and overbold

01:38:18.240 and men will deem the query good

01:38:20.620 when they take thee. 0.64

01:38:23.820 So they steal the wolf skins 0.93

01:38:27.020 and they don them 0.91

01:38:30.160 and they turn to wolfish form

01:38:32.960 and speak in the wolfish tongue, wolf wise.

01:38:36.800 And they travel amongst the forest.

01:38:40.880 And it is Sigmund that says, you are too young and too bold.

01:38:44.840 Never take on more than seven men.

01:38:50.060 And once you become renowned, they will consider you a good hunt, a good quarry, he says.

01:38:59.200 And they will attempt to take thee.

01:39:01.280 It's the same as the name Rudolph.

01:39:04.460 rudolph comes from the old Norse uh well there's it's an older name than that but the old Norse

01:39:12.560 name equivalent to Rudolph is growth off which means famous wolf and how does a wolf get famous

01:39:21.500 by killing by killing the livestock by killing the folk so it's a it's a kind of a

01:39:28.160 heavy and and and uh very strong aggressive name um to be a famous wolf if you will so he's saying 0.57

01:39:39.900 as we go you will become famous never take more than seven men or you will be got

01:39:48.600 now each goes his way and when they are parted sigmund meets certain men and gives forth a wolf's

01:39:54.940 howl and when sin filthy hears it he went straight away thereto and slew them all and once more they

01:40:02.500 parted but air sin filthy was fared long through the woods eleven men meet him and he wrought in

01:40:11.680 such wise that he slew them all and was a wearied therewith and crawls under an oak and there takes

01:40:20.720 his rest then came sigmund thither and said so this whole part is they are wolves they are in

01:40:28.320 wolf shape and he says don't fight seven men more than seven men and 11 show up and he does fight

01:40:36.580 them but he is not grievously injured but he is injured and he goes and crawls under the the the

01:40:44.260 roots of an oak tree and um there sigmund comes in wolf form as well and says why didst thou not

01:40:54.260 call on me sin filthy said i was loath to call for thy help for the slaying of 11 men

01:41:04.100 then sigmund rushed at him so hard that he staggered and fell and sigmund bit him in the

01:41:09.540 throat now that day they might not come out as of their wolf skins but sigmund lays the

01:41:16.420 other on his back and bears him home to the house and cursed the wolf gears and gave them to the

01:41:26.180 trolls so they have gone through this series of days doing as they do and he's angry at his son

01:41:40.500 for not calling out to help fight his son is still young and brash and so he bites him about the neck 0.96

01:41:46.500 and i always took this to mean as he he chokes him out of consciousness and then throws him on his

01:41:54.820 back and runs to the earth and house where they then take back the human shape and he takes the

01:42:03.620 skins and gets rid of them or or back to the men that were living in the house who were actually

01:42:11.300 trolls you know at this point it's it's more of what the purpose of what's what's going on

01:42:16.900 this transitional threshold that these two have kind of passed through now on a day he saw where

01:42:25.140 where two weasels went and how that one bit the other in the throat and then ran straight away

01:42:31.780 into the thicket and took up a leaf and laid it on the wound and therein his fellow sprang up quite

01:42:38.740 clean and whole so sigmund went out and saw a raven flying with a blade of that same herb to him

01:42:46.900 so he took it and drew it over sinfield sinfield these injuries and he straight away sprang up as

01:42:53.780 whole as though he had not been hurt thereafter they went home to their earth house and abode

01:43:01.460 there till the time came for them to put off the wolf shapes and they burnt them with the fire

01:43:08.740 and prayed that no more hurt might come of any of them from them but in the uncouth guys they

01:43:15.940 wrought many famous deeds in the kingdom and the lordship of king sigir so kind of a double backing

01:43:24.260 there because they do say they get rid of it through the trolls but then kind of while they're

01:43:29.140 in wolf shape they see these weasels the weasel places uh herb charm on another weasel's throat

01:43:36.180 again mimicking kind of them and then he sees a raven utilizing the same herb

01:43:42.180 so he takes that applies it to his son and his son is healed but during that time and even they

01:43:50.980 know this is too far gone this is too they have the power of being wolf in skin but it

01:44:00.020 the the power the rage all of that is too strong for them it's

01:44:04.580 it's not good it's ultimately going to consume them and they know this so they burn the skins

01:44:12.180 Now, when Sinfjolte has come to a man's estate, so he's come to be a full-grown man. 0.89

01:44:27.340 And again, bearing that in mind, too, historically, our ancestors considered manhood right about 13 to 15 years old was the general consideration of that.

01:44:40.980 So Sinfuelty now comes to a man's estate or full age, and Sigmund deemed he had tried him fully, and or ever a long time has gone by, he turns his mind to the avenging of his father Volsung.

01:44:57.700 if so it may be brought about so on a certain day the twain get them gone from their earth house and

01:45:08.200 come to the abode of king Sigur and lay or late in the evening so now it's starting to happen

01:45:15.360 in essence this is the training he needs he is a wolf waiting for vengeance he now has

01:45:22.620 what he believes is Sigur's son as a wolf with him in vengeance um which has its own poetic 0.54

01:45:31.080 um kind of revenge getting your getting your enemy's son to help you kill him

01:45:38.380 um not knowing that it's not his enemy's son um but they now have decided okay I've long thought

01:45:46.800 about the vengeance. I now have someone, I can't do it alone. I have you. So now we go. And they

01:45:53.720 go to the abode of King Sigur late in the evening and they go into the porch before the hall,

01:45:59.860 wherein, wherein, uh, wherein where turns of ale, tons of ale, uh, are there, they lie hidden.

01:46:09.520 So the porch is misleading. It's, it's more of a, like the entryway, a foyer or a mudroom,

01:46:16.200 But it's also worth noting that these places were often lower structurally than the rest of the hall.

01:46:24.520 And so a lot of the cold air that blew in would gather there.

01:46:28.700 And this was a perfect place to keep the ale.

01:46:32.360 The ale would be placed, and the word tons, T-U-N, is giant barrels.

01:46:39.020 So the ale is in giant barrels in this lower foyer mudroom.

01:46:43.900 And they go in there and they hide in amongst the barrels, waiting for their moment.

01:46:53.660 They lay and hid.

01:46:56.020 Now the queen is aware of them.

01:46:57.980 So she becomes aware of where they are and is feigned to meet them. 0.74

01:47:02.880 And when they meet, they took counsel where one of the one mind that Volsung should be revenged that same night.

01:47:10.660 So they don't explain how she becomes aware.

01:47:12.900 perhaps it's the there are loyal uh she has loyal men that have been doing her bidding throughout

01:47:18.740 the story so perhaps they get in contact with one of them and send word we are here now in the hall

01:47:26.740 at the front uh you know utility room where they're keeping all of the ale she sneaks off to

01:47:33.860 see her brother and their son which she knows he does not know this and she says we need to get

01:47:43.300 revenge for our father tonight now signi and the king had two children of tender age who played

01:47:54.980 with golden toys upon the floor and bowled it along the pavement of the hall like rolling

01:48:00.740 uh pin balls and pins uh and running along with it but where there with a golden ring from off

01:48:08.740 it trundles away into the place where sigmund and sin filthy lay now i know everyone here can just

01:48:15.140 see this it's just like a movie with the the the two children um younger of sin filthy who are

01:48:24.900 the the new children of sigir they are uh probably very little and they have a golden ring and maybe

01:48:32.020 they're using a stick or a ball or something and then it rolls off into the dark uh alcove of the

01:48:39.380 of the hall and there are these two revenge bound wolves in the dark and it's again the audience

01:48:49.940 would just be like oh no like this is not good so the and i just love the way it's written that way

01:48:56.900 it is written so clearly the golden ring off it trundles away into the place where sigmund and

01:49:02.580 sinfielty lay and off runs the little one to search for the same and beholds with all there

01:49:08.980 two men axe sitting so they're they're they're sitting there with their axes as they're hunched

01:49:15.780 between the barrels big and grimly to look upon they've been living in the woods as as brigands

01:49:23.540 and werewolves so it's oh anyways um big and grimly to look upon with overhanging helms and

01:49:35.220 bright white bernies bernies are um chain shirts uh not full chain mail of the body but simply a

01:49:45.220 an attaching shirt made of ringlets um that is cinched usually on the side and over the shoulder

01:49:53.140 and held up by a belt um so he runs up the hall to his father sigir and tells him of the sight

01:50:02.420 that he has seen and there at the king missed doubts of some guile abiding him but signi heard

01:50:08.180 their speech and arose took both of the children and went out into the porch to them and said

01:50:14.500 lo ye these younglings have berate you come now therefore and slay them sigmund says never will

01:50:23.700 i slay children for telling where i lay hiding but sin fealty made little a now of it and drew 0.61

01:50:31.460 his sword and slew both and cast them into the hall at king sigur's feet so now the full

01:50:40.820 moat of vengeance and i think too that our the modern audience might not understand

01:50:48.500 that the slaying of volsung and the level to which the family gets vengeance the daughter

01:50:58.340 and the son of volsung get vengeance though cursed in a lot of ways would also have been

01:51:06.500 lauded with the idea that the there's just this level but there's also just massive dramatics as

01:51:13.780 sin filthy slays these two who are also the the sons of his mother and he throws them out

01:51:22.740 of the darkness and they roll their bodies roll down at the feet of their father and now they come 0.98

01:51:31.380 slowly brooding out of the darkness then up stood the king and cried on his men to take those who

01:51:40.620 lain privately in the porch through the night so they ran thither and would lay hands upon them

01:51:47.100 but they stood on their defense well and manly and long he remembered it who was the nightest

01:51:53.200 to them. But in the end, they were born down by many a men and taken by bonds where they were

01:52:01.560 set upon them. And they were cast into fetters. Fetters, again, are locking shackles wherein they

01:52:10.760 sit night long. So he sends his men and they slay those who come at them. But there are too 0.99

01:52:21.560 many and they are taken a prisoner and uh we shall see how this ultimately turns out too for

01:52:31.020 sygney as she has been a key component in this revenge plot now he bids folk take sigmund and

01:52:39.860 sinfielty and set them in a barrow on either side of the stone for the worst for them he deemed it

01:52:48.760 that they might hear each other's speech and yet that neither may pass one to another but now while

01:52:56.600 they were covering in the barrow with the turf slips thither came signi so the punishment is to

01:53:04.440 be buried alive they will be buried alive in a in a barrow mount and perhaps this is again giving

01:53:12.520 hearken to the fact that they were living in an earth mound in the forest um so i could definitely

01:53:18.440 see you you know i i've come to to know all of what's going on i you lived in the earth mound

01:53:24.200 i will place you in the earth mound now you will be buried there and there will be a giant stone

01:53:28.600 wall between you so you can hear the desolate screams of your thirst and hunger as you both

01:53:35.320 uh waste away um and um at this point as they're placing the turf slips they're they're placing

01:53:48.680 the uh grass over the over the barrow mounds um signi comes bearing straw with her and cast it 0.54

01:53:58.360 down to sin filthy and bade that the thralls hide this thing from the king they said i and there too

01:54:06.360 and therewithal was the barrow closed in so before they closed the barrow she comes and

01:54:14.520 tells the the thralls to throw this straw in there but when night fell sin filthy said to sigmund

01:54:24.120 through the wall be like we shall scarce need meat for a while for here has the queen cast swine's

01:54:31.960 flesh into the barrow and wrapped it with an outer layer of straw so she does kind of like

01:54:38.840 the file in the cake she she puts uh pork flesh and she wraps it in um hay and the thralls throw

01:54:48.360 it in so there it is they they have they have meat but there is still a problem they're separate

01:54:56.360 therewith he handles the flesh and finds that therein was thrust also sigmund's sword and he

01:55:03.480 knew it by the hilt as its mark as it might be in the barrow and tells sigmund thereof and of that

01:55:12.520 they were both feigned in now so they have food and they have a sword so they are there is hope

01:55:21.880 they're no longer just going to to die here but they still have to figure out how to get out

01:55:28.440 now sin filthy drave the point of the sword drove the point of the sword up into the big stone and

01:55:37.320 drew it hard along and the sword bit into the stone and with that sigmund caught the sword by

01:55:43.800 the point and in this they wise sawed through the wall of stone between them and let not or all the

01:55:53.080 sawing was done that needed to be done even as the song sings sin filthy sod and sigmund sawed

01:56:02.280 a twain with mane the stone was done so again this is audiences just the us a sword strong enough to

01:56:15.240 puncture the stone wall and cut through it um and and create uh a way for them

01:56:23.960 to uh be united and then figure out how they're going to get out of here

01:56:27.640 now are they both together loose in the barrow and soon they cut through the stone and through

01:56:35.820 the iron and bring themselves out thereof so i thought that was very interesting the stone and

01:56:40.820 the iron so in essence this barrow would probably look much like a a stone based

01:56:49.320 lodging along or around building of sorts with metal brought and riveted over and then sod laid

01:57:00.440 upon it and so they then cut through all of that with sigmund's sword and of course sigmund's sword

01:57:07.980 is the sword um of his father so uh

01:57:14.980 now they are both together oh sorry they're both together loose and um they cut through the stone

01:57:22.420 and through the iron and they bring themselves out thereof and when they go home to the hall

01:57:27.380 when as all men slept there and bear wood to the hall and lay fire therein and with all the folk

01:57:34.560 therein are waked by the smoke and by the hall burning over their heads so he puts them in the

01:57:42.740 stone and iron cage buries it in the earth and by that night simply because signi had placed food

01:57:51.900 and her father's sword that was pulled from barnstock they cut it open they come out they

01:58:01.120 go back and they light the hall on fire and everyone starts waking up and the king cries

01:58:06.580 out who kindled this fire i burn with all and from outside here am i says sigmund with the sin

01:58:15.020 fealty my sister's son and we are minded that thou shalt not uh what well that all the vol songs

01:58:23.580 are not yet dead and um i have not seen this series in its entirety i've only seen bits and

01:58:32.780 pieces but this absolutely reminded me of a scene in game of thrones i think where um the youngest

01:58:39.540 of the uh um winter fell family or uh though the ones up in the north she says you know

01:58:49.880 one still remains and and cuts this guy's throat and i was like oh they got that straight from

01:58:56.240 the Volsunga saga. But yes, he says, you know, I wish you to know the reason why you're burning

01:59:04.280 alive is because you failed to kill the last of the Volsungs. Then he bade his sister come out 1.00

01:59:13.720 and take all good things at his hands and great honor and fair atonement in that wise for all

01:59:19.520 her griefs. But she answered, take heed now and consider if I have ever kept Sigur in memory

01:59:27.700 and his slaying of Volsung the king, I let slay both my children whom I deemed worthless for the

01:59:37.140 revenging of our father. And I went into the wood to thee in a witch's wife's shape. And now behold, 0.97

01:59:45.740 Sin-fuelty is the son of thee and I both, and thereof has he this so great hardihood and fierceness, in that he is the son of both Volsung's son and of Volsung's daughter, and for this and for naught else have I so wrought, that Sigur might get his bane at last. 0.75

02:00:07.960 and all these things that I have done that vengeance might fall upon him

02:00:12.620 and that I too might not live long and merrily now I will die with King Sigir

02:00:19.340 though I was not merry to wed him.

02:00:26.980 So kind of tragic in that sense I think of her ultimately kind of being bid to wed Sigir

02:00:34.740 but at that time it wasn't a matter of vengeance it was a matter of building truce

02:00:42.500 but Sigur was a craven man and when he saw the sword go to Volsung he wanted it and created war

02:00:50.280 despite the fact that his wife was Volsung's daughter um but she ends she sees him to death

02:01:00.420 completely that the vengeance will be complete and that she went to such great lengths to ensure

02:01:07.060 the success of this revenge that she now forfeits that there be no celebration because

02:01:17.060 she did such dastardly things in order to correct um the murder of her father

02:01:25.860 therewith she kissed sigmund her brother and sin filthy and went back again into the fire

02:01:35.020 and died with king sigir and all his good men

02:01:38.760 but the two kinsmen gathered together folk and ships and sigmund went back to his father's land

02:01:47.800 and drave away thence the king who had taken over in his stead and had set himself down there

02:01:55.560 in the in the room of the king as as king or as king volsung so he takes the throne back at his

02:02:04.780 father's land so sigmund became a mighty king and far famed he was wise high-minded he had he had to

02:02:15.180 wife, one named Borkilb, the battle mountain, or excuse me, the battle keep or castle, and

02:02:30.140 had two sons they had between them, one's name Helgi and the other Hammond. And of course,

02:02:39.120 um we know by reading helgi fundingsbana that's that's the connection point between the two of

02:02:47.880 them and helgi's story of of love and reincarnation and uh redemption against um cunning and

02:02:58.040 um all of that comes in three different series uh

02:03:05.400 So. Let's see. Yes, Helgi and the other was Hamund. And when Helgi was born, Norns came to him and spake over him and said that he should be in time to come.

02:03:23.460 the most renowned of all kings

02:03:25.660 even therewith was Sigmund come home from the wars

02:03:29.720 and so therewith he gives him the name of Helgi

02:03:33.620 and these matters as tokens thereof

02:03:37.120 land of rings and sunlit hill

02:03:41.240 and the sharp shearing sword and withal prayed

02:03:45.000 that he might grow to great fame

02:03:47.480 and like unto the kin of the Volsungs

02:03:50.340 and so it was that he grew up high-minded and well-beloved and above all other men in all prowess

02:03:59.140 and the story tells that he went to wars when he was 15 winters old again the mentioning of

02:04:07.120 adulthood at that time 13 to 15 helgi was lord and ruler over the army but sin fealty

02:04:13.540 was gotten to be

02:04:15.780 his fellow herein

02:04:17.340 the twain bear sway thereof

02:04:19.960 so they 0.99

02:04:22.540 Sinfjolti

02:04:25.560 and Helgi

02:04:28.260 are

02:04:29.480 like mentor

02:04:33.260 or uncle

02:04:35.020 if you will

02:04:36.000 to Helgi

02:04:38.660 who is

02:04:39.580 his son

02:04:41.740 an uncle

02:04:43.160 nephew and also a brother yes because of the twisted web we have woven yes and sin fealty

02:04:52.120 is quite literally the product of vengeance um the idea of a child being the culmination of

02:05:04.200 intent

02:05:05.560 is

02:05:06.780 a common theme

02:05:10.260 but it is Helgi

02:05:12.520 who

02:05:12.860 the shift

02:05:15.340 goes over to

02:05:17.780 as Sinfuelty is kind of again seen as

02:05:24.420 that his purposing

02:05:26.480 was entirely there but they

02:05:28.400 are together

02:05:30.200 as like a mentor with his

02:05:32.320 brother

02:05:33.180 uh ish um chapter nine how helgi the son of sigmund won king hodbrod and his realm and wedded

02:05:45.540 sigurn which i think it's a typo i think that's sigrun uh now the telltales that helgi in his

02:05:54.340 warring met a king height named hunding and so again hundings bana we know a little bit about

02:06:01.660 this and that's why we're doing this is because of these interconnecting points a mighty king

02:06:06.940 and lord of many men and many lands and they fell to battle together and helgi went forth mightily

02:06:14.300 and such was the end of the fight that helgi had the victory but king hunding fell and many of his

02:06:20.220 men with him but helgi is deemed to have grown greatly in fame because he had slain so mighty

02:06:26.540 again and remember i'm gonna interject for a sec we changed on to so swan and i's reading

02:06:35.660 of the volsunga saga is going to take much longer than originally planned which is fine

02:06:40.860 i'm thoroughly enjoying it i hope you guys are too um that said two hours in we have read four

02:06:50.460 chapters um i said we would read more than last time so we will make it through five chapters

02:06:56.860 tonight at least um but this is a time to make a little interjection and first i'd like to point

02:07:04.220 out a comment from the chat spawn is awesome he really gets into this spawn is in fact awesome

02:07:11.580 he definitely gets into it and we are all the better for it thank you swan we appreciate you

02:07:15.740 you carry on this yeah thank you I if anybody knows I'm originally the way I came into the

02:07:23.180 faith was through stories so I love telling stories and I get into them that is why he is

02:07:30.980 he is the go-thee that is going through this with me um I would also like to acknowledge

02:07:37.700 gabe in pennsylvania who donated sixty dollars to help us pay off and yours off uh that is amazing

02:07:45.460 that brings us to lots i don't have the running count tonight we have made hundreds of dollars

02:07:54.900 for your top this evening because you guys are an amazing audience and we appreciate you so much

02:08:00.900 crazy thank you gabe and also chris in ohio donated 15 to the bns fund so thank you chris we

02:08:08.500 appreciate you that said we can go back into the meat of it i just wanted to acknowledge those folks

02:08:16.180 in case they were going to leave us early this evening yeah i love i mean the idea of the of the

02:08:23.700 one of all the folks giving and also giving acknowledgement to them we've got to make sure

02:08:28.180 Yeah, I totally understand where you're at with that

02:08:32.200 because it's kind of hard to do that

02:08:33.640 and also cover so much ground in the story.

02:08:42.140 365, De Nortzhoff, just so you know.

02:08:44.500 That's since GW's at the beginning.

02:08:47.840 That's in the past two hours and 15 minutes.

02:08:51.240 You guys are amazing.

02:08:52.720 Thank you so much.

02:08:54.380 Thank you.

02:08:55.160 Thank you.

02:08:55.660 yeah tell tell others tell people to to watch and if they're interested in in um elevating and

02:09:04.180 putting forth the faith of their people to to to come and watch and if they are willing to give

02:09:10.000 even a dollar it would it all helps that's the really cool thing and I suppose I'll just take

02:09:17.400 a moment to throw that out there. It is very easy to see the world and its billions of

02:09:32.320 people or to see the United States, which is home to most of us who are watching this

02:09:38.080 show and see you know 300 plus million people and to see the numbers in involved in alsatru

02:09:47.480 generally or in the alsatru folk assembly specifically they seem so very small compared

02:09:53.200 to that but for many of us who've been doing this for a long time the numbers of people in the afa

02:10:00.800 and people practicing house of truth is huge compared to where it was a decade ago and shocking

02:10:08.640 compared to a decade before that we're celebrating the 30th anniversary of the afa this year and it

02:10:15.840 it's a time to just kind of reflect on some of that one of the really special things is that

02:10:21.920 with so many people, and as big an audience as we have, everyone giving a little bit has

02:10:32.880 tremendous results. You know, everyone being willing to donate a little bit and throw in

02:10:40.000 what they can. And yes, some people throwing in a lot because they're so committed and also

02:10:45.720 because they're able um it's astounding for those of us who found house to true in the 90s or in the

02:10:55.480 early 2000s to see that we have four hops that we're trying to hurry up and pay this one off

02:11:03.200 so we can get the fifth half and that we're spending meetings you know planning on the sixth

02:11:09.980 hoff just on the side i was getting a message on my phone about one of our gothar uh just had a son

02:11:19.820 and talking about how his daughter and my daughter were playing at nords off you know last month

02:11:31.180 we have hoffs now where our children can play

02:11:34.780 on holy ground dedicated to our gods amongst their afa family and grow up

02:11:44.540 never knowing a world that didn't have hops to our gods

02:11:50.400 it's really beautiful and i know i've said it enough on on this program but i'm gonna keep

02:11:56.160 saying it because can't keep it all in we are tremendously blessed and uh yeah so everybody

02:12:04.900 giving a little little goes a long way if lots of folks do it and we're starting to be at a point

02:12:11.500 where we're really experiencing that in a big way so uh thank y'all for your generosity and

02:12:17.940 thanks as always to our isere for their abundant and continual blessings

02:12:23.380 swan has disappeared on us when he returns we will get back to the

02:12:31.000 meat and taters and we will read through chapter five and then we will get into the questions so

02:12:39.820 um let's see if there's one i can knock out here all right nice bell music

02:12:52.760 nice bell music swan's back we're going to answer this question because i started on it he had a

02:13:00.060 question he wanted to know if we had any feedback on his song did we receive it and thanks for the

02:13:06.860 quality programs and consistency first you're very welcome for all of that yes i did uh i don't know

02:13:14.860 swan heard it or got a chance to listen i did absolutely get your song this time around and

02:13:22.140 gave it a listen um feedback i really liked the i liked the cadence and i liked the

02:13:37.740 musical portion and i'm wondering what instrument you did it on i think there's a lot of options

02:13:45.260 that almost in the out of my depth here because there's music words that means stuff and i don't

02:13:54.620 want to mess those up it had an element of uh tagalharpa sound to it i don't know if that's

02:14:04.940 what it was played on at all but it had kind of that pulling of a um pulling of a bow across string

02:14:15.260 kind of a sound to it i liked that i like the background music i liked the pacing um

02:14:23.020 i think the vocals and the lyrics need a little bit of refinement

02:14:26.560 but i really appreciate you doing it and i appreciate you sharing it with us um i wish

02:14:33.260 and i hope that we have more of that and it's really cool that you made that and shared it so

02:14:38.500 Appreciate it.

02:14:40.300 I did not get a chance to hear it yet.

02:14:43.840 I just emailed it to you, sir.

02:14:45.960 Oh, thank you so much.

02:14:47.640 All right.

02:14:48.120 Nice bell music, which is misleading because there's no bells involved.

02:14:53.580 But we got it to Svon.

02:14:55.180 He'll take a listen.

02:14:56.520 And he's probably got a little different musical perspective to give you maybe on the next program.

02:15:01.180 that said though let's go ahead and get through uh chapter five and then we will get into the

02:15:10.100 remaining questions all right chapter nine the fifth chapter for tonight though yes i was

02:15:17.100 confused i apologize chapter nine uh for those of you following along and uh for those that missed

02:15:24.640 uh with helgi hundingsbana one thing i would say is that this is written so so much cleaner even

02:15:32.400 though translated uh in in english it can be a little choppy um it is i feel it's way better

02:15:43.540 translated than the uh of helgi hundingsbana because it's so it's a it's so much more clear

02:15:54.100 straight to the point well it's something to make note of um we're going to see with this

02:16:02.660 saga and with the various characters and themes spread out over time

02:16:13.300 this is a well-known tale to our folk about themes that are fundamental

02:16:19.060 to their society that people know and have a familiarity with these characters in this piece

02:16:29.340 are heroes that the audience would have been familiar with in some way

02:16:34.320 you see now we have these ridiculous retellings of this retellings of that but so much of it is

02:16:42.700 based on root things that we all grew up with a basic understanding of there's a little bit

02:16:48.700 of that element here socially in the world of our ancestors to where these stories grow

02:16:56.260 and take shape and take you know are the inspiration for song and for poetry and for

02:17:04.840 storytelling and ritual drama and all kind of things and you see that play out in more high

02:17:12.700 medieval times in the Niblungenlied. You see it play out in Wagner's Ring Cycle. It's this

02:17:22.080 Uwagr saga of this permeates the Germanic expression of our faith from very, very early

02:17:35.740 you know, from the migration era on through into the 20th century and today.

02:17:45.580 Well, and this part here, as opposed to Helgi Hundingsbana's story,

02:17:51.800 where Sigrun kind of rides up and she's a semi-mythical Valkyrie and a king's daughter.

02:18:02.840 and um you know the way it's described is almost like she's flying on her horse

02:18:09.460 slash riding up to Helgi this has a little bit more of a grounded sense um

02:18:15.620 I think I mean the way that it is is told just seems to be uh

02:18:25.400 less is she this or is she that no it's just straightforward in where they would they where

02:18:32.300 they go with it um because we still have a gap before spawn jumps right in i do want to acknowledge

02:18:37.760 a question first because from finn wraith it's good to see you finn oh yeah also because it's

02:18:44.080 topical to what we just discussed a little bit you guys ever have anyone play music live at church

02:18:49.440 yes at our hoffs um examples that i know of and this is not exhaustive there may well be more of

02:18:58.460 that at Odenshof we have occasionally more than one member but always one particular I say always

02:19:07.320 whenever he's able to make it one particular member plays he can play a variety of instruments

02:19:15.000 really well but he typically will play guitar and do various various folk tunes while we eat

02:19:23.800 um while we feast and it's beautiful it's really really cool and i look forward to that it's it's a

02:19:29.800 um it's really nice thing for us there um and we had as uh i think nick mentioned in the chat

02:19:40.040 at the last sample at ostara at thorshof we had two different people with two very different

02:19:45.080 styles who had both composed guitar pieces that they performed during some and those were

02:19:51.160 those were both really cool um one of those uh we mentioned last week we used that for an outro

02:19:58.840 um and we may do that more in the future but that was really really nice so we're getting there it's

02:20:06.400 not it's not where i want it but we will get there and we've got a couple we've got a number of people

02:20:11.560 with irons in the fire on things they're working on that way during symbols we've had you know it's

02:20:18.440 not every time and it's not the norm yet but we've had a lot of um different musical performances

02:20:26.520 we've had some just uh just vocal performances we've had some just instrumental performances

02:20:33.320 say a lot of guitar so far we had one guy bring a hurdy-gurdy to an event

02:20:39.180 um we have a gentleman that regularly brings a bagpipe uh and plays bagpipe

02:20:45.120 um so remember pat plays the bagpipes and that's you know always a really cool sound to me

02:20:56.240 um used to be we'd have a decent amount of campfire time and sometimes people there would

02:21:03.440 regale us with a tune we had a former member that would bring a violin sometimes we had a number of

02:21:11.200 us and still on occasion if uh if the meat is flowing we'll get out there and and uh you know

02:21:19.040 sing a harmony or two by by the fire with one another um yeah so we we're we're working on

02:21:27.160 that it's work in progress it does happen it does not happen as much as i'd like it to

02:21:31.200 but it happens a lot more than it it did in previous ages

02:21:35.740 another one that i just thought of off top of my head uh last year at ostaro we had a member sing

02:21:43.200 opera during sunday uh that was uh yes we did yes we did yeah

02:21:51.720 yeah i love how the the music is something that we i think we've all talked about in need but

02:22:00.000 it has to come organically can't just be kind of drummed up and then we start seeing that the that

02:22:08.900 the breeze blowing through orlog starting to again bring people together and i think that i

02:22:16.380 would encourage any member who um has music to send it in and um you know be recognized perhaps

02:22:27.360 even if you know we amass enough we could put some sort of playlist or something together

02:22:34.420 with people you know having these things but you know bearing in mind you have to think too that

02:22:39.600 one is you want to record it and produce it well uh you know not so grainy or or or terrible and

02:22:48.820 and then also too there might be themes that overarching and i think one of the things that

02:22:55.040 seems to be is uh uh the songs obviously dedicated towards the holy gods or our ancestors

02:23:06.080 and or concepts of our true um and also you know i would love for us just to dial in

02:23:15.680 um what i would consider modern uh bardic

02:23:20.720 traditional music for us being that that that mountain music folk americana that very much i

02:23:32.080 think is a stepping stone of the culmination of different europeans um coming together across

02:23:40.160 the water and melding back together again kind of they were once one people and then they are

02:23:46.240 separate and gain all of these things and then now they are woven back together here in the

02:23:51.840 in the emmerich in the the great soul no uh no silliness with this i want um

02:24:01.920 our true bluegrass happening um i don't want it done with people affecting a silly bluegrass

02:24:10.080 style i like bluegrass instrumentation but i want an honest soulful vocal rendition when it comes to

02:24:17.360 that and if we get somebody you know from way back in the holler that's going to have authentic

02:24:22.720 bluegrass vocals and that's how they are wonderful but there's a lot of different right ways to do

02:24:29.120 that but folk music set to blue bluegrass instrumentation i think would be amazing

02:24:34.720 and i would also really really like to see um a combo gregorian chant rune galder kind of thing

02:24:47.680 with that sort of melodic runic intonation i think that would be beautiful both those things

02:24:56.000 kind of for really different purposes but i think both would be really cool but what i

02:25:00.480 i think would also be really cool is reading chapter nine i knew it was coming i was like

02:25:06.240 uh-oh all right so we are now speaking about sigmund has his son he has two sons and we're

02:25:14.560 focusing in on helgi and again this is a bit of a recap of the story we covered uh previously on

02:25:24.400 helgi hunting's bane um so for those who of you who were with us with that this is going to be

02:25:31.920 that recap um now the telltales of helgi in his warring where he met a king high height height

02:25:41.280 or titled hunting his name a mighty king the lord of many men and of many lands and they fell to

02:25:48.480 battle together and helgi went forth mightily and such was the end of that fight that helgi had

02:25:53.840 victory but king hunding fell and many of his men with him but helgi is deemed to have grown greatly

02:26:00.880 in fame because he slain so mighty a king then the sons of hunding draw together a great army

02:26:08.320 to avenge their father hard was the fight betwixt them but helgi goes through the folk of those

02:26:15.120 brothers unto their banner, and there slays these sons of Hunding, Alf, and Eolf, and

02:26:23.960 Herrward, and Hagbard, and wins a great victory against them. Now as Helgi fared from the

02:26:34.260 fight, he met a many women, right fair and worthy to look upon, who rode in exceedingly

02:26:41.240 noble array, but one far excelled the others. Then Helgi asked them the name of their lady

02:26:50.120 and queen, and she named herself Sigrun, and said that she was the daughter of King Hulgni.

02:26:59.120 Then said Helgi, fare home with us. Good welcome shall ye have.

02:27:03.920 then said the king's daughter other work lies before us than to drink with thee

02:27:11.400 I and what work king's daughter said Helgi she answered King Hogni has promised me to

02:27:20.960 Hogbrod the son of King Granmar but I have vowed a vow that I will have I will have him to my

02:27:30.100 husband no more than if he were a crow's son and not a king's and yet will the thing come to pass 0.70

02:27:38.500 but and if thou standest in the way thereof and goes against him with an army and takest me away

02:27:46.320 with all for verily with no king would i rather ride and bolster than with thee and that again

02:27:53.820 Also played in Helgi Hundingsbane, where she did not wish to be med or wed, excuse me, with Hodbrod and had heard of the great renown of Helgi and said, I would rather you slay him so that I do not break this oath, but then simply become the bride prize of you winning over on him.

02:28:23.820 and he says be of good cheer king's daughter said he for certus he and i shall try that matter

02:28:31.740 or ever thou be given to him i we shall behold which may prevail against the other and here too

02:28:38.900 i pledge my life so he says i'll test myself against him and we shall find out who will be

02:28:46.420 better of the matter and i will pledge my life that i will take you as my bride upon victory

02:28:54.980 thereafter helgi sent men with money in in their hand to summon his folk to him and all his power

02:29:02.900 is called together to red berg and there helgi abode till such time as great company came to him

02:29:11.700 from head headancy and therewithal came mighty power from norvi sound aboard great and fair

02:29:20.260 ships then king helgi called to him the captain of his ships who was named leif and said to him

02:29:29.060 if he had told over the tale of his army a thing not easy to tell my lord said leif on the ships

02:29:39.060 that came out of norvi sound are twelve thousand men and other where are half as many again

02:29:49.140 then bade king helgi turn into the firth and called varins called varins firth and they did so

02:29:57.460 but now there fell on them so fierce a storm so huge at sea that that the beat of the waves on

02:30:06.180 board and the bow was hearkened to like that of clashing together of high hills broken

02:30:14.260 but helgi bade his men fear not nor take to taken any sale but rather hoist every rag

02:30:21.940 higher than the here here too for but little did they miss of foundering or ever they made

02:30:30.180 or ever they made land then came sigrun daughter of king hogney down to the beach with a great

02:30:38.340 army and turned them away thence to a good haven called nipaland so again this is another reference

02:30:45.780 to what we covered in there um where she does come down as they're beached from the storm

02:30:52.500 and they're repairing the ships and she tells them no there's a a safer place to harbor

02:30:59.380 And kind of guides them, hoping that this great army will destroy the person she is bound to marry.

02:31:12.960 But the landsmen see what has befallen and come down to the seashore.

02:31:19.180 The brother of King Hodbrod, lord of the land, called Swarinskern, cried out to them and asked them who was captain of this mighty army.

02:31:29.380 then stood up sin filthy now remember in in helgi hundingsbane the mention of of sin filthy is is

02:31:38.420 brief and there's the history behind him is not really known now it is known to the audience or

02:31:46.580 to to all of us that sin filthy is the the werewolf son of sigmund um and the uncle slash brother of

02:31:56.100 helgi um with a helm on his head bright shining as glass and a birney as white as snow a spear 0.97

02:32:06.980 in his hand there on the banner of renowned and gold trim shield hanging before him and well he

02:32:14.100 knew with what words to speak to kings go thou and say when thou hast made an end of feeding

02:32:21.860 thy swine and thy dogs and when thou beholdest thy wife again that here come the volsums and in

02:32:29.300 this company not may king helgi be found if hog broad be fain of finding him for his game and his

02:32:37.620 joy it is to fight and to win fame while thou art kissing the handmaids by the fireside

02:32:44.260 so he in essence says you know when you go home at the end of the day after you've done all the

02:32:52.400 chores and you you're holding your wife and the king asks you you know who are who is this great

02:32:59.840 army to show up it is the volsungs and we have been preparing for war while you have been uh

02:33:07.700 drinking and and kissing of handmaidens um at random before you get to the next uh stanza

02:33:17.780 so just as a note and this is for wise final solution

02:33:24.500 he's talking about lord of the ring slash hobbit music and soundtracks and such

02:33:32.360 i will encourage everyone to uh look up here on youtube the finest of platforms

02:33:41.840 a platform that has been nice to us so far um look up i forget how it's bilbo baggins

02:33:51.060 oh no and uh not saying it's good i do not endorse it in any way

02:33:58.860 but when it's out there and it exists it it it you need knowledge of it right

02:34:06.200 your life will be richer for it um carry on uh all right yeah um

02:34:19.000 so then grandma what's that i said i'm tempted to take an intermission

02:34:27.920 to have people go look it up and consume it, but I will not.

02:34:33.180 Gary.

02:34:35.920 So, I mean, to be fair, I could just play it on here.

02:34:39.900 No, don't you dare.

02:34:42.120 If you ever get frisky, I can't pull up a video.

02:34:45.100 We can all watch it. 0.83

02:34:48.420 Okay, so Sinfjolte says out, you know, while you've been kissing maidens 0.57

02:34:53.320 and living you know feeding your pigs and doing uh things we as warriors have been training for

02:34:59.800 battle and we are ready to go grandma returns though in retort he says in no wise knowest

02:35:08.600 thou how to speak seemly of things and to tell of matters remembered from old whereas thou

02:35:15.000 layest lies on chiefs and lords most like it is that thou must have long been nourished

02:35:22.360 with wolf meat abroad in the wild woods and has slain thy brethren and a marvel it is to behold

02:35:30.840 that thou darest to join thyself to the company of good men and true thou who has suckled the

02:35:37.320 blood of many a cold corpse so sinfield these uh his infamy precedes him and grandma says you know

02:35:53.000 you i see such a fine army and why have they decided to take to the likes of of a

02:35:59.800 a corpse blood-sucking werewolf outlaw

02:36:06.080 when these are supposed to be noble knights and men.

02:36:12.260 Sinfjolte answers in return,

02:36:16.060 dim be like is grown thy memory.

02:36:21.400 So dim, the dimness of light is what your memory is now 0.60

02:36:27.860 of how thou wert a witch wife in Varense, and wouldst fain have a man to thee, and chose me

02:36:36.840 to that same office of all the world, and how thereof there wert a Valkyria in Ausgard. 0.68

02:36:44.920 And it well nigh came to this, that for thy sweet sake should all men fight, and nine wolf whelps

02:36:52.560 i begat on the body in lowness on thy body and lowness and was the father of them all so at this

02:37:02.000 point it's this is a a battle of words and he's speaking of and kind of doubles down like you

02:37:15.600 you're he's accusing him of being this dastardly person he's like no it's even more so i i you know

02:37:22.800 i'm the father of wolf pups and um he kind of again is going more for shock and awe while you

02:37:32.160 were being civilized men i was giving you know i was siring wolf pups uh with valkyries from heaven

02:37:40.240 and it's this is just really crazy over the top but again it's a it's a looming threat

02:37:48.640 because they're sitting on their beach so he's like you can you can call me a kinslayer you can

02:37:54.580 call me a uh the the sucker of of uh the blood from corpses but i am that and more and now i am

02:38:03.460 sitting at your beach like so when these words end there is sometimes that the imagery

02:38:12.820 with the original text and with this translator is just so visceral it's really really cool and

02:38:20.900 it's one of those instances yeah this is and just again the looming sense that's hanging in the air

02:38:26.820 is you can call me all these things but i am that and more and i am standing on your property

02:38:33.460 And Grandma answers back, Great skill of lying hast thou, yet belike the father of naught, at all mayest thou be, since thou wert gelded by the giant's daughter in Thrasnus.

02:38:46.360 And lo, thou art the stepson of King Sigir.

02:38:51.000 There's a little stab.

02:38:52.720 and were wont to lie abroad

02:38:55.740 in the wilds and the woods

02:38:57.040 with the kin of wolves

02:38:58.440 and unlucky was the hand

02:39:00.900 wherewith thou slewest

02:39:02.660 thy own brethren

02:39:03.840 making for thyself

02:39:05.340 an exceedingly evil name.

02:39:09.940 Sinful thee retorted,

02:39:12.660 mindest thou not then

02:39:14.100 when thou were stallion

02:39:16.760 were stallion grani's mare

02:39:19.360 and how I rode thee

02:39:21.300 an amble on bravoly and that afterwards thou wert giant gold mirrors goat herd so this is uh

02:39:36.100 it's interesting because of there's a clearly a history between sin filthy and grandma

02:39:42.740 and it's their accusations are not about cowardice in battle they are

02:39:51.860 of turning into werewolves and and uh giving and being a a slayer of your brother because

02:39:59.700 you're a varger and then the other one is you know he's saying no you you were um you were 0.93

02:40:07.060 you shape-shifted into a stallion and slept with a jotun's mare and then you also were the thrall

02:40:14.020 of another jotun and and and guided his goats and grandma grandma says in return rather would i feed

02:40:22.500 fowls with flesh no support important didn't claim dude shape-shifted into a stallion

02:40:34.420 great skill that has uh minus thou not then when thou were stallion grant oh

02:40:42.180 granny's mare so he was the catcher not the picture sorry yes in that horse coupling

02:40:49.580 so and again that that lends to the same uh point with the story of of loki is to shift

02:41:00.260 to go from one gender to the other is seen as wholly unnatural um and then

02:41:08.700 also to shape in the form of a horse and um do this as well it kind of likens to again the un

02:41:19.620 not only just the unnaturalness of it but the ill moral or unseemliness of it all

02:41:26.760 sorry yeah i read that wrongly he said no you were a mayor so that's kind of an important

02:41:34.540 thing to note that

02:41:40.280 if you're just joining us or maybe you were in a spot that

02:41:46.220 you're not familiar with some of the divide 0.91

02:41:49.920 silly leftist 1.00

02:41:56.700 blue-haired fat chicks like to think that 1.00

02:42:03.660 there's some permissive 0.93

02:42:07.140 like 1.00

02:42:08.180 LGBTQ plus 1.00

02:42:10.940 nonsense 1.00

02:42:12.300 amongst our ancestors

02:42:13.900 there wasn't

02:42:14.820 it's been a

02:42:15.980 refrain amongst men

02:42:18.160 of our folks

02:42:19.020 since the dawn of time

02:42:20.520 to suggest that you are

02:42:21.940 acting womanly

02:42:23.020 or that you are

02:42:23.900 on the receiving end

02:42:26.060 of

02:42:26.340 of 0.97

02:42:26.860 the sexual thrusting 1.00

02:42:29.140 of a male creature 0.99

02:42:30.360 of any sort

02:42:31.260 is a

02:42:33.200 is like a that's that's a solid mic drop insult since you know since the dawn of time

02:42:40.800 don't let the last five years of degeneration fool you there was no point in our ancestors

02:42:50.720 time where that was a a cool thing or an accepted thing or anything else that's

02:42:56.060 very mentally disturbed people of the modern age trying to project their degeneracy on

02:43:02.840 ancient uh ancient civilizations and it's delusional so it's worth and again it's not to 0.97

02:43:12.460 be a jerk in the world that we live in where that's such a common thing to talk about these

02:43:18.160 days it's important to make note of when our ancestors are pretty clear on that a guy acting 0.99

02:43:27.120 like a woman in any sense was completely unacceptable to our ancestors, to both the 0.88

02:43:33.000 men and the women of our ancestors. I like how the river that Jack built says 1.00

02:43:43.680 that the ballad of Bilbo Baggins is like a heaven's gate, Lord of the Rings. That's a really

02:43:50.660 cool description, and I don't find

02:43:52.820 fault in it. I think that is

02:43:54.260 very well played.

02:43:56.160 Yes, very apropos.

02:44:02.640 Let me see.

02:44:12.980 Oh, I'm sorry.

02:44:15.920 I'm reading Morris Taylor.

02:44:17.360 just uh i don't know who that is or dropping i'm not familiar with that podcast but

02:44:26.720 please if you have an in i don't want to be confused with those people because that's gross

02:44:32.720 so yeah if there's any if there's any way to correct that misconception um please by all

02:44:41.360 means do so um i'm game to go on most anybody's podcast if that's uh i don't know if there's

02:44:49.680 demand for that or that's something anybody would like to do stealing goats and dropping

02:44:54.880 yeah that that is ridiculous but okay yeah i i don't i i would have to wait and know way more

02:45:03.120 about the context to know where the confusion happened or if there's i don't know but anyways

02:45:09.760 yeah i i'm all for clearing up misconceptions if yeah so that's fine i'll go on christian podcasts

02:45:18.160 if that's if i if that's a sincere invitation ever i went on uh anglican priest uh reverend

02:45:26.960 jack ashcraft's podcast or internet radio show i don't know what the difference is but he had us on

02:45:33.840 uh he had us on a couple of times and was great to us so i'm i'm pretty open to go on anybody's

02:45:41.520 podcast all right so we this exchange between sin filthy and grandma which was not given as

02:45:52.880 nearly as much of the back and forth in helgi hundings bana's um poem this is is getting good

02:46:02.400 And then grandma finally, he doesn't concede, but he just simply says, rather I would feed fowls like birds, specifically ravens.

02:46:13.160 Rather would I feed ravens with the flesh of you than wrangle in words any longer.

02:46:18.800 then spoke king helgi better wear it for ye and a more manly deed to fight rather than to speak

02:46:28.980 such things as it is a shame even to hearken to grandma's sons are no friends of me or mine

02:46:36.400 yet are they hardy men nonetheless so king helgi finally steps in his representative being

02:46:46.240 sin filthy um he finally sees the state of which this is going and once there's the true point is

02:46:54.380 this isn't about negotiation he's not coming here to negotiate helgi then steps and says yes that

02:47:00.400 would be better let's stop talking and uh your kin are no friends of mine but i've i've heard 0.87

02:47:07.360 that they are good stout men let's find out how stout they are and and quit the the yapping

02:47:15.820 and so grandma rides away to meet his king king hot broad at a ste at a stead excuse me at a stead

02:47:26.400 called sun fells and the horses of the twain were named svepud and svegud now at this point

02:47:35.680 it's just interesting that they're naming these uh because this isn't done in a prose-like manner

02:47:43.920 um but the consideration of it would be similar to uh the naming of a ship or the naming of a

02:47:51.820 castle or the naming and we see that quite happen it's just that right now it kind of comes in

02:47:57.600 oddly um but they go to sunfells and uh they're riding their horses um and the brothers uh the

02:48:13.560 brothers met in the castle the castle porch in the in the uh entry room of of the keep and grandma

02:48:22.200 told hodbrod of their war news king hodbrod was clad in a barony again a chain shirt and put his

02:48:30.760 helm upon his head and asked what men are an eye why look ye so wrathful so grandma comes in spitting

02:48:40.280 mad rightfully so and uh grandma says here are come the volsungs and 12 000 men of them are afloat

02:48:53.800 off the coast and 7 000 are on the island called sock but at the stead called grinder is the

02:49:02.520 greatest company of them all and now i deem with all that helgi and his fellowship have good will

02:49:08.200 to give battle then said the king let us send a message through all our realm and go against them

02:49:16.920 neither let any of those who feign to fight sit idle at home and let us send word to the sons of

02:49:22.600 ring and to the king hogni and of alf the old for they are mighty warriors so the hosts met at wolf

02:49:32.120 stone and fierce fight befell there so very quickly it just says but assuming there's this

02:49:40.120 passage of time where uh king hovbroth gathers all the men of his land and then gathers his

02:49:49.320 neighbors and allies to come forth and fight the volsungs in this great battle and just the number

02:49:55.640 of 12 000 is uh like it's it it's meant to be awe-inspiringly absurd or just amazingly so

02:50:06.840 that there are so many warriors and then another army is bolstered to meet them and they gather

02:50:12.680 at wolfstone in the in the migration era for you to show up with an army of 12 000 strong is unheard

02:50:23.480 of yeah um that's like what you know emperor valens would show up with from constantinople

02:50:34.200 or something that's a huge military force and again i think sometimes the number is more about

02:50:42.840 the awe-inspiring effect it's not um yeah it's it would just be so amazing that that would even

02:50:54.120 happen so the the battle in reality may have had 300 versus 300 but by legend it becomes

02:51:04.280 you know 12 000 against 12 000 or you know it's just massive um and we still do that today you

02:51:13.760 know we talk about historical battles and we think of something like in uh you know and i know i'm

02:51:20.980 not using these none of these new movies are historically accurate but we think of these

02:51:25.440 battles as with robert the bruce and and uh and william wallace or we think about something that

02:51:31.740 maybe we see in in like uh the last kingdom or some of these just massive battles and in reality

02:51:38.560 there was probably like a few hundred men um see it's it's tricky you know undoubtedly

02:51:44.320 in the kingdom of jerusalem with all of the crusader armies at one point versus

02:51:52.140 the entirety of saladin's army then sure that was probably really big there's probably some very

02:51:58.480 large late area late era roman armies that showed up but in the time of this story being retold

02:52:06.800 in the viking age or in the early medieval age in scandinavia

02:52:13.360 if you had an army where there was you know 100 guys on each side that was a big deal

02:52:19.200 um this was a time where you get your men and their retainers and you show up to something and

02:52:24.880 maybe 50 guys versus you know 30 guys we you know read an ale saga and again he is you know doing

02:52:35.440 battle with the king in a lot of instances and it's like a 20 or 30 man per side brawl it's not

02:52:44.160 the pitched battle of thousands of men 12 000 men is is an enormous host

02:52:51.360 but these are you know these are epic times where you have werewolves and valkyries on either side

02:53:00.640 of things and you know shape-shifting and in this golden age there's a lot of fantastic events that

02:53:10.780 you don't see in the battlefield of the medieval period yeah in this part too i'm really glad with

02:53:18.280 this translation, so I was going to definitely key in on that. They met at Wolfstone and the

02:53:24.400 fierce fight befell there. Helgi rushed forth through the host of his foes and many men fell

02:53:32.340 and at last folks saw a great company of shield maidens like burning flames to look upon and

02:53:39.380 there was Sigrun. So now we get the connection that was placed very early on in Helgi's poem.

02:53:48.280 that's sigrun is not just a princess but uh a daughter of heaven and is mythical in her own

02:53:57.080 right and they're they're watching this battle and it would be befitting in that sense because

02:54:03.720 the valkyrie the very name and it says in the translation down below which i'm super happy they

02:54:11.160 did it i knew you would catch that yeah of the elected because so many people will think of

02:54:17.320 vowel as slain simply to be slain in battle means you get your ticket punched to get into into val

02:54:24.520 hall no vowel father doesn't just mean slain father it means choosing father and he chooses

02:54:33.880 so the the valkyria are carriers of those who are chosen um but they they sit and they watch this

02:54:42.600 battle they look on and there comes sigrun the king's daughter then king helgi fell on to king

02:54:51.000 hogbrod and smote him and slew him even under his own banner and sigrun cried out thou hast thanks

02:55:00.120 for thy so manly a deed now shall we share the land between us and a day of great good 0.98

02:55:06.400 hap this is to me and for this deed shalt thou get honor and renowned in that thou hast felled

02:55:14.020 to the earth so mighty a king so helgi took to him that realm and dwelt there long when he had

02:55:21.640 wedded sigrun and became the king of great honor and renown though he was not more to do with this

02:55:29.780 story so this is just that brief connective interlude to helgi and then the other poems

02:55:37.460 that we've covered about helgi are are there and the again the reoccurrence of death and and life

02:55:44.500 and coming back um and the the love between helgi and sigrun but that is its own separate

02:55:54.980 and now we continue on with sigmund and the rest all right the story but that is something we will

02:56:01.060 do in two weeks right right we have made it through i have fulfilled my promise that we would

02:56:05.860 read more than last time not by a lot but by a little um yeah this has taken a while because

02:56:12.020 it's medium these uh chapters are long but this is really cool like i said it's uh seminal to so much

02:56:22.420 of our cultural development and the expression of heroism amongst our folk

02:56:31.540 up and through the modern age it's really important and so we're going to take all the

02:56:35.700 time we need on it and i hope you continue with us on that journey uh but now we're going to go

02:56:41.940 to some questions but first wise final solution had some kind words for me in reference to my

02:56:47.540 interview with uh t jump uh an atheist gentleman on a podcast that he does thank you very much for

02:56:59.460 i'm glad that you think i did well on that i tried it's interesting talking to someone who's

02:57:06.900 just kind of core worldview is so very different i know that certain people have

02:57:11.540 um a whole nomenclature on how to intellectualize things and i approach things in a really different

02:57:19.940 way i've gotten a lot of really good feedback on that i appreciate the opportunity um to do

02:57:25.540 the program it was really he was easy to work with his producer was super easy to work with

02:57:31.060 as i recall um yeah i i appreciate those opportunities but that said what do we got

02:57:40.500 going on here um question from tyler hey there simple question here sorry if it gets asked a lot

02:57:48.180 but i've just and i've just missed it what is the best way to pray to the gods and the ancestors

02:57:53.540 is there any particular formula or words that you use similar to how christians tend to end with amen

02:58:01.700 what can someone who prays to the gods slash ancestors expect in terms of response feelings

02:58:08.980 signs, etc. Thanks and much love to the AFA from a present non-member.

02:58:18.180 Tyler, you should join. You should be a present member. That would be the optimal way to do it,

02:58:23.380 but we're very glad to answer your question and I appreciate you reaching out. Svan, what are your

02:58:28.340 thoughts? I think it's worth noting that everyone has some different ways of doing that. Praying

02:58:38.180 to the gods can be very personal and can involve a lot of the strictures that we um

02:58:46.980 where we come from some folks may take to uh talking and speaking out to the gods informally

02:58:54.500 in a way of prayer but others may have highly stylistic and formal processes in which they

02:59:04.580 separate themselves from the mundane and then proceed to air out their uh thoughts feelings

02:59:11.940 and emotions uh into the skein of fate and that that's where the divine and and the material meet

02:59:21.140 and that's a really complicated way of saying everyone kind of does it a little differently in

02:59:25.060 in a sense but i would say i find value in separating from the mundane so i do a a series

02:59:36.020 of things to do this um but it is incumbent upon the tradition to be held by the gothar

02:59:47.220 in uniformity and connectivity and cultural oneness for the individual it may be a little

02:59:54.820 bit more intrinsic and customizable um and it is very different than say reaching out to the gods

03:00:02.260 as a group as a tribe a kindred as a as a half uh congregation so bear that in mind but if you're

03:00:10.260 speaking about by yourself finding a way to separate yourself from the mundane um can be as

03:00:17.460 intricate or as swift as you wish to make it but when you do find it i think one thing that's

03:00:24.580 common is that we do speak out loud taking thought and formulating it into action makes our prayers

03:00:34.820 more tangibly entwined with fate and when we speak out to the gods or to our ancestors

03:00:43.860 um and we need to be careful or i need to remind that it's not always the gods that we pray to

03:00:50.020 gods are gods and busy or they're very very intricately woven into large matters of cosmic

03:00:58.500 scale sometimes it's good and so you should first consider should i speak to my ancestors

03:01:05.060 and ask for their aid their blessing their ability to send um their blessing up through the route

03:01:13.780 and into our world um in in advancing forward and and having boon um but when you do

03:01:26.100 reach out to them some people will light a light a fire well perhaps a fire outside but a candle

03:01:34.260 indoors and um i think a lot of people get caught up and you know how's the true if you light a

03:01:40.100 candle that's like what wiccans do or that's what witches do or what have you no the the purpose is

03:01:46.660 we would could light a fire outside we could light a candle inside or a fire in the fireplace or

03:01:52.580 what have you the emulation of a lot of of that is as not as tangible as people want it to be

03:01:59.220 um we are not casting spells we are not uh drawing circles and sigils etc um we are simply

03:02:06.900 acknowledging the same values of things that our ancestors did the lighting of a light certainly

03:02:13.620 brings about um hallowing a space uh taking land or taking space by fire was a common

03:02:22.660 uh practice the other two was to like i mentioned earlier there was the runic lady that

03:02:29.940 walked three times around uh the driftwood in widershin against the sun um you know a lot of

03:02:37.460 people would be like that that sounds like modern neo-paganism but it's clearly there written in the

03:02:44.100 eldest of times um our ancestors did pay attention to this sense of creating barrier so speaking

03:02:51.860 into the directions um speaking into the edges of dellinger's hall and saying that you you

03:03:01.540 are praying to lord thor to hallow this space and give you and that your strength and his

03:03:07.300 strength are united together and giving the the sacred sign of of thor um but if you don't know

03:03:15.780 all of that it has to don't get daunted by i don't know all of these things start small

03:03:21.300 lighting a light and simply um asking thor to bless this place that you are in and then sitting

03:03:28.740 down and speaking aloud to the ancestors or to the gods and i think more importantly too giving

03:03:34.980 a gesture of gift that gift generally for us is in the form of libation um so giving a a libation

03:03:46.180 via a vessel speaking over it and then pouring it into a bowl and giving it to the divines or

03:03:53.860 to your ancestors and then taking that bowl outside and gifting it kindly not just chucking

03:04:00.580 it out a window um kind of is the end completion so if you think about it that way lighting a light

03:04:08.420 and then asking for the gods to help

03:04:12.520 and aiding in making this place sacred

03:04:14.800 and then speaking out and then gifting over

03:04:19.900 and then giving the gift as an ending point,

03:04:23.960 I think are really great ways for beginners to start.

03:04:27.900 And we do have prayers that are more common.

03:04:31.700 A lot of times when folks leave,

03:04:33.580 when they go at the end of the bloat

03:04:35.340 and they gift over the bowl

03:04:36.740 um and they're pouring out the contents you'll hear things that are common throughout you know

03:04:41.820 the from the earth to the to our hands to the gods from the gods to our hands to the earth

03:04:46.480 um and those things are things that you learn as you are tribally inundated into the culture

03:04:54.220 of the ausiture folk assembly but that's culture i think it's more important that you get process

03:05:02.540 down that you get your orthopraxy down and that requires just simply arriving becoming aware

03:05:10.060 perhaps the lighting of a light is an ignition of that so you become aware that you are doing

03:05:15.620 something that is beyond just normal thoughts and normal actions you have a gift and you speak aloud

03:05:24.140 your thoughts and desires and then you gift and pour and return clean everything with reverence

03:05:32.520 And at that point, your intentions have been woven into fate and the gods work in many, many ways.

03:05:43.040 I can tell you a simple one for myself.

03:05:46.920 I was in a moment of not doubt, but asking if I was doing things correctly.

03:05:54.220 And I asked specifically Lord Odin.

03:05:56.400 and um unbeknownst to me my wife was working at a uh client's house um a woman that lived

03:06:06.960 lives fairly far away from us but she had noticed that there was this big raven in the backyard

03:06:12.520 and uh she was like oh i want to get these feathers from for my husband because i know

03:06:18.320 he would like them so she goes out and she sees all these feathers on the ground she grabs three

03:06:22.920 of them and i have no idea that she's doing this and then as she's making her way towards me and

03:06:30.280 where i'm working she gets a lot of this uh some news there's all this bad news kind of floating

03:06:35.880 around uh i think via text message people were talking about someone who passed away it's once

03:06:41.160 and she got it in her head that perhaps because she picked up those three feathers that was related

03:06:47.560 to some of those misfortunes and then she was about to hand them over to me not knowing about

03:06:52.680 my praying um so when she got to my work she just cast them out of her window in the parking lot

03:06:59.240 and went in and talked to me and we you know we had a we kissed and said hello and we're talking

03:07:05.640 and doing things and she made no mention of it and she left and then many hours later i leave

03:07:13.080 my shop and i'm walking to my car and i see these three black feathers one of them's like underneath

03:07:19.720 the tire one of them is upon the curb and one's just like sitting right next to the door and i

03:07:24.440 was like whoa i gotta go and check these out and see if these are um like raven feathers they're

03:07:30.200 really black almost blue and i was i was like is this the sign is this like a confirmation that i

03:07:38.680 was going in in a correct sense and then i show up and i was like hey babe look what i found next

03:07:44.360 to my car and she's like oh no and um i i talked to her about the whole situation and i i i surmised

03:07:53.720 i think that the the the feeling of dread and of all those news that she was getting was again just

03:08:01.720 during that transitional time when she was driving it wasn't about the feathers the feathers

03:08:06.440 was a separate thing and the fact that they made it to me i i feel was deeply a confirmation

03:08:13.560 in specifics because i was asking lord ovin if i was speaking the correct truth about the tripartite

03:08:23.000 about him as the tripartite if i was overstepping my bounds if i was leading people astray because

03:08:29.560 of my own hubris or ignorance and i got three feathers so i felt that that was absolutely a

03:08:37.480 confirmation that i was doing well enough and so it could happen as something like that um

03:08:48.600 some people have dreams others have stories and many other things uh i you know i couldn't

03:08:54.440 recount every way but you just have to realize that the moment you light that light you are

03:09:00.440 becoming receptive and you are stepping forward into that uh threshold between you and the divine

03:09:10.040 and the divine will and can step back if they see fit so continue on give gift and sometimes too

03:09:19.240 just airing your voice out helps you realize your thoughts helps you realize your intentions

03:09:26.280 helps you realize perhaps the folly or uh something that's missing or what have you but

03:09:33.160 continue on and i think that that will begin to open the light and then yes reach out and

03:09:39.560 become part of the astro focus assembly find your local culture your your local

03:09:45.400 ousatru people and then you will learn these traditions you will learn what people do when

03:09:52.040 they sit down to eat meals or when they walk into hoffs or um how things kind of go what assemble

03:10:00.280 is and so on and so forth so but that's a good way to start in my opinion so

03:10:12.120 everything's font said is certainly true and i think a really good way to do it but

03:10:17.000 But I'd also like to, that's often how I do it, but I think something I'd like to emphasize a couple of things.

03:10:39.820 First, there is a showing of respect for protocol when you recite formula, and that's good.

03:10:55.920 Reciting the stuff you're supposed to say at the right time shows that you acknowledge the right way to do things and that you're in alignment with the right way to do things.

03:11:06.240 It shows that you are respecting the order that the Aesir put in place, and you're respecting the customs of your folk.

03:11:15.040 That is, it does not have to be, but it is and can be entirely separate from actual communication with the divine or your ancestors.

03:11:28.200 if you receive if you come before the altar and repeat the formula that's been prescribed to you

03:11:37.620 that you read in a book with the right dance steps I think that is good that is way better

03:11:44.360 than nothing that is a good thing to do and it aligns you properly but I think an element that

03:11:52.540 is extremely important, either in conjunction with that or in lieu of that, is an honest

03:12:00.560 communication and bearing of your soul to your gods and your ancestors.

03:12:09.560 There are big deal prayers that are done in ritual with people around that are very formal.

03:12:16.800 I find myself praying a lot in much less formal circumstances.

03:12:28.140 Often it does involve lighting a candle.

03:12:31.100 Sometimes it involves lighting some incense or pouring out, you know, a shot or a drink of something.

03:12:39.100 but a lot of the time it is a open

03:12:44.900 just speaking from the heart thing like you know i usually start off with hail the isere

03:12:53.040 and then go into something i usually end with you know hail the isere depending upon what i'm doing

03:13:01.640 hail the folk hail the ancestors hail the afa as a way of closing it you mentioned as

03:13:08.920 As Christians will often say, amen, I will end with, you know, hailing a sequence of things or perhaps just hail the Iser or, you know, depending on who I'm reaching out to, you know, hail Thor or whatever the case might be.

03:13:25.180 But in the middle there, it often is a very sincere, you know, thank you for the things you've done for me and for the Astro Folk Assembly.

03:13:35.980 Thank you for the blessings of my life.

03:13:38.920 Please give me wisdom and efficacy so that I can represent you to the folk, so that I can bring glory to you and to the Aesir.

03:13:57.560 Just things like that.

03:13:59.400 It's expressions of appreciation or ask for guidance in a particular situation.

03:14:04.920 what i want to communicate by saying that is i don't want there to be a

03:14:11.920 a threshold that makes a point of separation between you and your gods and your ancestors

03:14:20.540 if you don't know any of the cool little formula that are nice to say and that are that are good

03:14:27.100 you don't need that right now you can literally go if you don't have a candle if you don't have

03:14:32.760 incense. Whatever you have, as stupid as it sounds, but if your heart's in the right place, 0.99

03:14:42.440 literally whatever you got, pour something out and say, hey, I'm here. I'm not sure the right 1.00

03:14:50.240 way to do this, but I'm trying. I'm thankful. I'm appreciative. Please help me to know you better,

03:14:57.920 whatever the case might be but the sincerity is really important i think it is very

03:15:10.640 we want our gods to be proud of us we want our ancestors to be proud of us 0.92

03:15:18.240 if your child comes to you and they tell you a completely ridiculous story that is obviously 0.99

03:15:23.680 a lie but it's so transparent and stupid that it's funny it may not make you angry but you don't like 1.00

03:15:32.320 respect them you appreciate your three-year-old trying to pretend that the cats ate whatever 1.00

03:15:41.120 thing or broke whatever thing got broken it's different when a grown man does that

03:15:47.920 that the gods know whether you're being honest or not so sincerity is key you don't form

03:15:58.420 relationships well by pretense or by things that are silly so speaking from the heart and being

03:16:09.880 very honest I think is extremely important the other thing your ancestors should be a much easier

03:16:16.360 approach your ancestor doesn't become like if your mom passes she doesn't then become

03:16:28.120 some not your mom thing she's still your mom and if you go before your altar and you're talking

03:16:35.800 to your mom you can talk to your mom how you talk to your mom you know your ancestors and again

03:16:41.320 Maybe your distant ancestors you don't know.

03:16:44.340 But if their ancestors you knew, don't create a barrier between you and them interacting intimately.

03:16:52.380 You knew them in life.

03:16:53.460 If this was a person you would have called on the phone last week and had a nice casual conversation with and given a hug,

03:17:01.160 don't treat them like they're some other thing after they've passed.

03:17:07.380 And this is just my thoughts on it.

03:17:09.780 I would really hate it if something happened to me tomorrow and all of a sudden Mandy and Aubrey

03:17:16.540 treated me with this super formal artificial thing when they were speaking to me that would

03:17:27.280 be really that would hurt me um so please keep that in mind like your ancestors are real and

03:17:35.940 exist beyond the veil just as they did when they were here. And I think that the from the heart

03:17:42.980 authenticity is very, very important. So I would always encourage people rather than worry about

03:17:49.760 getting it right, be pious and respectful when you're approaching the gods or your ancestors

03:17:55.500 and be open and be honest it's nice if you light some incense as like a little

03:18:05.020 offering acknowledgement hey this smells nice i hope this makes you happy kind of thing

03:18:10.540 or you know i said a libation or you make a plate for them at a meal something like that

03:18:17.320 i think is a really good way to do it i think that a candle

03:18:20.120 and we all know this instinctively from when we're kids fire is cool and it brings your focus

03:18:30.340 and it brings you into a spiritual place in a special kind of way so having a flame to focus

03:18:40.340 on is really nice and it instinctively brings us to a place where we are mystified to a degree

03:18:50.120 degree where we are in a altered state just a little and where we are in awe and I think that's

03:18:56.720 a really good place to start from um but yeah all those things I mean that's probably overlong on

03:19:03.440 that one question um this one's just for you question for Svon did you uh this from white

03:19:10.580 horse Alsatru did you get my emails the one about Loki and uh Saturn's cube or a few others

03:19:20.120 Svon, you are muted, so I cannot hear what you're saying, nor what you were chewing.

03:19:25.720 Sorry. Yeah, I was cracking open. I don't like to do that and it gets loud. I feel like

03:19:30.600 it's like right in the microphone. Yes, I did.

03:19:33.400 It's a flex. Wait till I start talking and then just right in the middle. Terrible.

03:19:42.280 No, they-

03:19:44.180 And then stick your chin out like Il Duce.

03:19:49.980 No, yes, I did get them.

03:19:53.520 I haven't been able to respond

03:19:54.500 because it has been a very busy month and some extra.

03:19:59.000 I've been traveling around a lot in the last while.

03:20:06.700 I know that, I think, I don't know if he's still on here,

03:20:08.920 but I've been also working with Evil Monk,

03:20:11.760 who's it probably in the chat or and you know he calls me mr busy man but i do respond i you know

03:20:19.040 and the other thing is i don't want to respond with just a one sentence or whatever so i try to

03:20:24.720 absorb what's being said and i want to give a good response back but it's just been a very

03:20:31.760 well wild month

03:20:36.480 there you have it i will be responding though

03:20:41.760 also from white horse house true

03:20:46.800 the dwarves galer and fialer are names their names suggest deceiver and singer perhaps of

03:21:02.380 falsehood what kind of dwarves were they the ones who uh the ones who killed kvaser

03:21:09.180 swan what are your thoughts they're direct they're they are literary figures of direct

03:21:19.320 opposition to kvasir the first storyteller and the great poet who goes and walks amongst

03:21:25.900 the world of midgard coming and descending down from heaven as he is made from the gods as they

03:21:32.180 unite after the war and uh it is aptly named as such these titles you know um just as much as

03:21:42.580 bulwark and gun loath uh she is battle song um meet together when he obtains the mead

03:21:50.820 kvasir is truth kvasir is sincerity kvasir is emotion and uh clarity and speech that that brings

03:22:01.900 forth great you know he's a a poet and a storyteller that brings forth great emotion

03:22:07.740 and it is these dvergar these earthly beings these uh they are smart elf as well dvergar or dwarves

03:22:17.980 are smart elves and they are born of ultimately the material emir is the material they are born

03:22:26.940 within him they are intimate of him so they are maggots yes the maggots of his flesh they are 0.89

03:22:37.500 internal beings built entirely on the material they eat rot and decay well and i think i think

03:22:47.900 that's at play here with a lot of their reference when we talk about chaos i didn't mean to cut you

03:22:57.260 off i apologize kind of got right in but the maggot thing struck me because

03:23:06.300 chaos in our context so often is in the form of entropy it's in the form of that which is ordered

03:23:17.900 decaying and becoming misshapen or metastasizing into something ugly chaos is the like

03:23:28.500 uglification of beauty in a lot of ways and i think there's something to be said of the like 0.71

03:23:37.340 maggot eating decayed flesh nature of things with some of the divergar and they're dragging things

03:23:46.120 towards that state of decay or that state of of entropy and these things are 0.59

03:23:53.640 you know the kind of thing that would that would thwart what's beautiful about storytelling and 1.00

03:24:00.360 bardic things is their subversion with with lies and with you know bs well and we we were talking 1.00

03:24:12.440 about this at the wedding that i traveled to over this weekend our our stories are very well crafted

03:24:21.880 in ways that i think a lot of people don't realize or perhaps that is truly the spiritual mystery

03:24:27.560 behind them uh when we talk about the least threatening child of angra boldo and loki being

03:24:35.000 placed in in nivelheim in the the north and low um as our ancestors saw the cosmology as being

03:24:44.200 singularly planar um she is placed there and given stead over where the ancestors go where the souls

03:24:52.440 and the the the the separation of the needling from the ancestral lines but she is the least of

03:25:00.840 the threat and then jormungandr out of this intricate tripartite is the stasis one and is

03:25:10.360 is locked or excuse me he's the catalyst he is an unbroken wall ready to be broken hela is stasis

03:25:19.480 she is in one place but she's the least threatening and then there is the second threat that is just

03:25:26.120 waiting to break the edges and then the most egregious threat is brought right into the halls

03:25:32.840 of heaven so that was not on accident that shows these things so now we have class here class here

03:25:40.680 is the the speech of the gods both sides have come together and they produce in them the

03:25:50.360 the kvach, which is the malted beer that is made by mastication.

03:25:56.660 And so this, of course, lends to an ancient tradition of that type of brewing.

03:26:02.260 And out of that is poured kvassir.

03:26:04.780 He is not a god. He is not a man. 0.97

03:26:09.120 He is the creation of the gods, and he goes and walks amongst men,

03:26:13.900 and he is seen as wise and kind and shining,

03:26:19.060 and he speaks and tells the stories based on his knowledge that the gods he he is their voice he

03:26:29.360 is their word so he goes and it is only befitting then that these lord these maggots of decay they

03:26:37.380 are the opposite they're titled in that they're they are lies they are the one the yelling the

03:26:45.460 one of the yelling that shouts down and the the deceiving voice so they are aptly named with full

03:26:54.020 intent that the audience would know that we have this oppositional voice um the way that uh

03:27:04.420 goodly speech there is seemingly goodly speech and trust here and then now there is

03:27:10.740 the the yelling and the deceitfulness it would be simply known as that but i think that's very

03:27:17.060 it's very important i do believe that the entirety of this has happened i i believe that the stories

03:27:24.020 of our gods initially do come from class here and that he walked amongst us and that's why

03:27:29.700 there are secret things in the stories that we know but um the him being drawn in because he's

03:27:39.380 a spiritual being a being from the gods he is traversing through these layered realms and he

03:27:46.580 gets brought into the realm of really breaking down neither valor the land underneath our feet

03:27:55.540 is what our ancestors viewed the material in its most base form as the place in which these maggots

03:28:02.260 dwell um to the north is niflheim to the south is muspelheim and beneath our feet is neither valor

03:28:10.100 and there he is drawn in and he is slain and and bled out and formulated into the need

03:28:18.980 um so it is a cycle it it is ultimately the cycle story of classier being born in heaven

03:28:27.460 and then being slain and made and retrieved and brought back to heaven in a different form but

03:28:36.320 that his blood sprinkled over the earth and that comes in the form of inspiration and storytelling

03:28:42.700 and the fervor and so um that's that that story really does it's one of my favorites it's it

03:28:50.960 it should be every storyteller's favorite um but because you can see it when you're talking to the

03:28:56.160 children and their eyes are lighting up and you're just in it that need of poetry is so important

03:29:01.260 but yeah you you are correct it's and and they're the titles of the gods and the titles of the dwarves

03:29:07.260 and the titles of the yotans in our stories and the movements and why cosmology is so important

03:29:13.100 and why there is a root in heaven and there is a root in the middle world and there is a root in

03:29:18.260 the lower world and anybody that tells you differently is greatly changing the dynamic

03:29:23.420 uh circulation of power that is presented in our stories

03:29:29.480 um all right any take on george

03:29:35.980 gurd yef's concept i have no idea if i pronounced the man's last name right concept of organic

03:29:44.540 portals open empty sold ones that disembodied spirits can inhabit uh can elaborate if needed

03:29:52.300 Thank you. This is from Nice Bell Music.

03:30:01.460 So do you have any thoughts on that, Swan?

03:30:04.820 Yeah, I'm a little familiar.

03:30:07.340 I was studying the processes of known as riding the horse and possession in certain traditions like voodoo or voodoo.

03:30:19.360 uh just overall trying to get an understanding especially in relation to uh how berserker

03:30:27.680 and olf heathnar are imbued with this power perhaps um you know filled with the fervor of

03:30:36.540 lord olden to the point where they're not susceptible to steal um and so i was on that

03:30:41.980 long kind of search and i you know i am familiar with this it does remind me i think that

03:30:48.380 all vessel and all body are born of yggdrasil and some can have old and some are new um that the the

03:30:58.960 boon of our ancestors does not come always entirely as a soul if it's a but it's you know the boon of

03:31:06.060 your ancestors to give a piece of themselves or a culmination of themselves unto the descendancy

03:31:11.700 in order to make that line grow and become stronger um perhaps it's luck coming yeah um

03:31:18.820 but there are also new souls and those new souls are being born of the dew that is

03:31:24.580 igdrasil and they drip into the well and thus entering into the middle world and some of them are

03:31:30.980 blank slates they can be empty um i think that even um the likes of like edward thorson spoke

03:31:42.500 about the philkia but those who are older and have higher power have a fully formed philkia

03:31:49.940 whereas new souls or souls that are stunted have no philkia or their philkia is not even really

03:31:59.060 considered anything that can present itself and so you do see this hierarchy of um being that's

03:32:10.420 that not everyone is equal to in in a spiritual sense but the the effects of which that has

03:32:20.100 i think entails that the outcome that he's suggesting that these people can be possessed

03:32:26.580 uh i spoke earlier about fenris fenris is the greatest threat he's in the mountains of the

03:32:32.660 gods he's living amongst them and then they bind him they bring him down into the middle world and

03:32:37.700 his spit is dripping into the black lake and so therefore even though he's bound his his spirit

03:32:45.860 is still seeping into the cosmos and making the effect and people who are empty like that are

03:32:54.500 i believe affected the most that um they have to be weary and uh or others have to be weary for them

03:33:02.660 that there's others that need to guide them protect them uh keep them from

03:33:09.140 going into folly and then other times there just is no um they are just too far not only are they

03:33:17.620 empty but now they're given to unseemly deeds degeneracy they befall upon themselves with no

03:33:23.380 sense of what they're doing wrong or they don't think beyond just the right now they don't consider

03:33:30.500 themselves and they're great that the lineage that they come from or what have you and those people

03:33:35.540 are more susceptible than ever to the forces of chaos that flow from jotunheim that are in the

03:33:44.900 those cracks there and remember i'm not saying every jotin is a a being that's seeking to

03:33:53.940 detriment but that is where that source of resistance and this dissolvement comes from

03:34:00.100 especially in the middle world and it comes in many different forms it doesn't necessarily have

03:34:04.580 to be something of a natural sense like a storm or you know i've heard people postulate about

03:34:10.340 jotens in nature sense but it's beyond that and um yeah so i think those people are susceptible

03:34:17.540 but i don't think that they are existence with the intent of being vessels i think they just simply

03:34:25.780 are because of their newness or or uh the lack their ancestors have kind of

03:34:32.260 completely just fallen away from them and are uh letting them

03:34:36.900 dangle in the wind if you will so so swan uh morris taylor in the chat thinks that you have

03:34:45.780 the ability to bestow upon him single 40 year old icelandic ladies when he reaches his desired

03:34:52.420 fitness goals if you do not have like a stable of these that you can bestow perhaps he thinks you

03:35:00.660 might have uh the insight on where he can find them so just keep that in mind that these are

03:35:07.380 things expected of you go go do crossfit and then go up to iceland and um you know

03:35:15.700 go and watch a crossfit thing up there and i'm sure i hope god's and ancestors willing

03:35:22.580 weird fates and you meet someone up there that would be really cool that is the that is the

03:35:26.660 roadmap to getting yourself a hot 40 year old single icelandic lady um on the on the uh organic

03:35:38.340 portals thing um as i stated earlier in the show there are malevolent entities out there that like

03:35:50.820 to take advantage of people who are easy targets for them i think that there is numerous spiritual

03:36:02.420 processes for someone who wants to empty themselves of soul to become one with nothingness

03:36:13.860 or to prep themselves to be a portal if you will for the other

03:36:20.820 I think in a positive, I guess, way, you can see that in some of the ancient Greco-Hellenic oracles that purpose themselves to be vessels for gods and spirits to enter and to work through.

03:36:48.060 I think you see it in a different way that is unintended, but this is one of my thoughts about some Eastern religions and Buddhism in particular, when the idea is to empty your mind, empty your, you know, have no will, have no ego, empty yourself of all of these things.

03:37:12.900 I think that does present an opening for other things to enter, be those good things or bad things or, you know, anything else.

03:37:24.720 I think we see this in a little bit, and those are like intentional processes.

03:37:30.260 So, for the unintentional and the people that are prone to be victimized, I think we see that expressed by the Spurgy kids today as the NPC thing.

03:37:51.440 this is one of the things um some of you who listen may be aware i'm a big fan in a lot of

03:37:59.180 ways of the writings of julius evelyn and so much of what he talks about is the idea of developing

03:38:08.360 the self of developing your will in a magical or an esoteric way and developing like being a true

03:38:19.100 person as opposed

03:38:21.240 to just

03:38:23.260 kind of grazing

03:38:24.820 and mating and going about

03:38:27.280 your daily whatever and

03:38:29.160 watching the Kardashians and

03:38:31.160 whatever you do.

03:38:34.560 There are

03:38:35.960 there's a wide spectrum

03:38:39.400 of those among us

03:38:40.600 that devote ourselves

03:38:43.040 to higher thought or higher

03:38:44.940 purpose

03:38:45.760 and those people I think

03:38:48.940 are the most well-fortified against possession

03:38:54.300 or any kind of esoteric aggression towards them

03:39:02.520 or interference with them.

03:39:05.120 I think that people who go through their life aimlessly

03:39:08.360 and are vapid and don't have much in the way

03:39:13.940 of their own identity internally,

03:39:16.280 this is something i think yeah i believe absolutely metaphysically those people are

03:39:24.020 more open to metaphysical manipulation or abuse but i don't think we have to go that far i think

03:39:34.740 we see that those people are more easily victimized by by physical abuse and manipulation

03:39:41.800 those people are the same people you see that you know oh trainees are cool cool rainbow flags let's

03:39:50.260 go to the store let's get them let's get out and all of our lgbtq plus progressive oh wow wait it's

03:39:56.920 maga stuff now cool let's um let's completely change all of our branding oh wow uh taylor

03:40:03.700 swift said i should like this thing today cool that's my new favorite thing um it's silly how

03:40:10.900 that is but you watch it we've literally just seen it in the united states since uh our last

03:40:16.820 presidential election companies and individuals that were 150 behind progressive things

03:40:26.420 oh wow that's not cool anymore so now they you know dialed that back significantly we see a lot

03:40:34.180 of that all the time people like to go with what's popular it's the same people that if there is a

03:40:39.780 trend this year they're all going to go out and you know wear their pants falling off oh wow it's

03:40:46.020 really cool to have super high-waisted stuff so that's what we're going to do next time oh it's

03:40:50.340 really cool to put on black eyeliner and you know look like we're juggalos or whatever cool that's

03:40:58.260 what we'll do oh wow it's really cool to do this other thing people that ride those trends all the

03:41:03.780 time i do think that there is a metaphysical element to that that they're easily manipulated

03:41:10.980 into going with whatever the stream of easiest and least resistance is because they don't have

03:41:18.900 that very firmly ingrained sense of self sense of soul sense of identity sense of who they are

03:41:26.100 in relation to the world around them and i think that's a thing um

03:41:31.300 But, yeah, I've heard that expressed a lot, and I think there is a lot to that concept.

03:41:36.860 I'm not familiar with Gurdjieff's depiction of that or his particular ideology on it, so I can't comment on that.

03:41:47.080 But the concept, I am familiar with, and I do give a lot of credence to.

03:41:54.300 Svon, does our religion have demigods?

03:41:56.680 uh yes i guess depends on the definition of demigod um i find demigod for us fun

03:42:07.560 uh being born of a god and a mortal cool in that concept do we have demigods we certainly know of

03:42:18.760 the connection between divine lines kings connected to the gods uh in in either in

03:42:29.800 proclamation or of stories told that they are descendants from the gods from lord odin

03:42:37.720 and or or uh the other of of of other gods though it's it's predominantly just lord

03:42:44.120 olden that's that is referred to especially in kingship though we do know of the engling

03:42:50.600 line in sweden going back to um holy fray but um that would i would call the most

03:43:01.800 basic sense of demigod what i think i like to consider is that there's three there's the

03:43:10.520 those born of there are there are uh gods manifest in physical form um and i would say like in the

03:43:21.160 likes of perhaps like shield sheafing as being lord or being a holy fray coming and guiding his

03:43:29.480 people um or guiding his the the descendancies of his people um and then there's also the ascendant

03:43:40.520 Mortal souls that pass and traverse through the veil and then are brought up to the gods.

03:43:48.680 And that would be in the likes of the stories like Skirner, where he is asked, are you a man?

03:43:55.500 Are you an elf? Are you a god? And he says, I am none of those.

03:43:58.840 Because again, he is no longer a man and he is not an elf and he is not a god.

03:44:05.020 He is an ascendant, and he is the servant of the holy fray.

03:44:16.580 And I think that this is noted quite often.

03:44:20.680 So of those three things, I would kind of classify them as being demigod.

03:44:25.900 But I know that the flat definition is half god, half mortal.

03:44:29.580 um but those three things yes do exist in our faith um but to what degree there is legitimacy

03:44:39.740 is always brought to question um and of course i do believe more so in the ascendancy than um

03:44:49.500 you know proclamation at least in sense is i i believe it in the legendary sense

03:44:56.140 but if someone was to say

03:44:58.340 I am descendant of Lord Oven

03:45:00.480 I would definitely want

03:45:03.100 I would seek out

03:45:04.780 confirmation by the gods

03:45:06.140 if this was true or not

03:45:08.680 but

03:45:09.400 do they exist?

03:45:12.020 yes it does exist in our faith

03:45:13.700 ascendant mortals?

03:45:15.900 absolutely

03:45:16.460 that occurs since the dawn of time

03:45:19.700 it occurs currently

03:45:20.600 demigods

03:45:25.800 to where a god comes down and mates with a mortal woman and produces offspring

03:45:34.440 like swan said we see that in the deep antiquity of the farthest back reaches of royal genealogies

03:45:43.560 um when they go back that far the claim is always kind of

03:45:54.200 I'm going to use the restroom real quick well it's kind of in question and I don't mean that

03:46:02.000 um I don't mean that I'm saying it can't be true and that it's not true for sure I'm just saying

03:46:08.880 There is a lot of things a God can do to be the father of a line of kings, including creation itself.

03:46:22.080 In that sense, it's why very often we refer to ourselves as sons and daughters of the Aesir, not in the sense that, you know, Odin impregnated one of our great, great, great, great, great to infinity grandmothers, but in the sense that he shaped and created us.

03:46:43.360 And in that sense, he is certainly our father.

03:46:45.620 So I think there's some interplay there, but I'm not discounting that, you know, in the ancient line of kings, Odin had mortal sons.

03:46:56.400 That might very well be the case, you know, in a very literal way, but it also might be the case in a very metaphysical way that I think is no less true. 0.59

03:47:07.680 Next question is, can anyone of the Gothar perform exorcism?

03:47:14.320 so this is a really interesting question

03:47:22.800 can they potentially yes do we have a lot of examples of also true exorcism no

03:47:34.480 but i will say this our gothar have been

03:47:36.960 asked to help with people who were felt like they were under curse with people who were

03:47:49.680 spiritually afflicted by negative entities in a variety of ways including like night hags and

03:47:57.840 And people with sleep paralysis kind of oppression.

03:48:04.400 People with, I'm just saying it, people with haunted houses that they were occupying or places to where they felt like there were bad spiritual elements messing with them or their space.

03:48:20.000 and gothar have been involved in removing that uh that hindrance removing that oppression removing

03:48:27.860 that negative interaction and that's been in my experience that's been very successful

03:48:34.400 um

03:48:37.760 so i'm going to relate a story to you guys a former gothi with the astro folks simply i once saw him

03:48:49.040 cast the gay out of a man um he was doing a book signing and he was that he kind of had

03:48:59.040 rando people from the pagan community show up and a variety of people show up 0.94

03:49:05.840 and he gave an impassioned speech about family and about

03:49:10.160 house are true and about the importance of building legacy and families and there was a

03:49:15.840 there was a homosexual activist that showed up and the whole reason this guy was there was to 0.52

03:49:23.400 uh try to throw a wrench in the works and try to call this guy out as a fraud and a charlatan 0.85

03:49:30.780 and you know call all of this BS and while uh the Goethe was speaking 0.94

03:49:38.940 this gay guy in the audience started like visibly like shaking and tearing up and he

03:49:45.600 and he's shaking and he's having some kind of really concerning reaction and at some point

03:49:53.960 he's just overwhelmed he gets up he storms off into the field and he's out there like

03:50:00.360 talking to someone up with his arms raised to the heavens and you know he falls down in a

03:50:08.720 crouch position and he's weeping and he's going through this whole thing while this is going on

03:50:13.120 well anyways i kind of check in with lady who was running it she's known this guy for a long time

03:50:18.160 and she's like no he's he's gay but i wouldn't check on him he's okay but he's he he has renounced

03:50:25.040 his way that he was living and he and he wants to start a family and he wants to have a wife and he

03:50:30.480 he is so ashamed of you know this and that and the other and and i checked back on it a couple

03:50:38.160 times and he had he had cast off his homosexual lifestyle in pursuit of something else it was

03:50:47.280 really i wouldn't describe it that way if i didn't see it with my own eyes but it was kind of more 0.55

03:50:55.680 than kind of it was an amazing thing to witness and i watched that happen it's not the same thing

03:51:00.400 as the question but i thought it was a humorous and interesting anecdote to throw in because i

03:51:05.680 saw it with my own eyes i heard you telling this story and we talked about it's a thing yeah it is

03:51:13.920 a thing so uh and sierra commenting on my wine consumption as of late wine has way less carbs

03:51:23.520 than beer so i figured i would try to be more macro friendly with my imbibing um

03:51:30.640 So there you have it. Tonight, I'm drinking a delicious red blend, a 2022 California vintage.

03:51:45.620 So next question is, being a descendant of the gods, who is the mother? If not a human,

03:51:51.980 are all beings born between a god and a goddess, a god themselves? Yes, if that were the case,

03:51:59.000 If it is too, you know, an ouse and an ouse and you're conceiving a child, that child is an ouse as far as I know.

03:52:09.660 So, yeah, that's correct.

03:52:12.360 Finraith asks, what do you guys think of Richard Wagner?

03:52:17.380 I always hear Universalists blame romanticism of our lore on him and historical misconceptions like the horned Viking helmets, which Vikings didn't have. 0.98

03:52:27.040 It's fine. Do you have thoughts on Wagner? 0.90

03:52:29.900 The first thought that I had, though, before I say Wagner,

03:52:35.780 blaming when we talk about the universalists and blaming romanticism,

03:52:41.500 what would it be called the thing that they do that is also not historically accurate 0.86

03:52:47.020 with the shoulder pelts and the black face paint and, you know, like the vaginal war bands

03:52:56.680 uh riding into um battle i what would that be called we have romanticism would it be like 0.59

03:53:05.980 like the vaginal war bands well i i did i haven't seen i have not seen the vikings i've seen the

03:53:13.920 first episode and i've seen um little you know granules that that occasionally show up on youtube

03:53:21.780 one of them i did see was just like i guess like a boat full of women and um all wearing you know

03:53:28.900 pants and trousers and and and uh and and certainly the the exception i'm not saying

03:53:36.020 that there were not occasions where there were women who were uh you know i i know of one

03:53:42.260 actually in with the varangian guard she slays a varangian who was attempting to rape her

03:53:49.540 and she slays him and they're like well you need to fill in his gap so they give him all her gear

03:53:55.060 his gear and pull him and i don't know if it's true or not but certainly the story has some

03:54:02.740 interesting uh things but i you know the exception versus the rule but i was just wondering what is

03:54:08.820 what would if wagner is accused of romanticizing history what is what is the inverse of that that

03:54:19.220 these kind of universalists abide by um in such a way i and i i don't know what that would be called

03:54:28.020 what's that just trashing it i mean poor representation uh you know so one of the two

03:54:37.780 should know better the other didn't have the wealth of information at their fingertips

03:54:46.580 to know better right um i think wagner tapped into the spirit well that's the thing wagner's

03:54:54.980 representation was honest it was honest it was from the heart it was motivated out of

03:55:01.860 genuine love for his folk and embracing the traditions of his ancestors to the best of his

03:55:11.060 ability that he had in front of him his depictions of you know winged helmet and horned helmet vikings

03:55:22.900 are very much built on centuries of european imagining of what

03:55:30.900 these folks looked like and running with it with the best information available to him

03:55:36.260 um the current universalists know the vikings were really big on transgender and lgbtq rights

03:55:45.860 and 50 of them were women and they didn't have colorful dyes all they had was black and they 0.68

03:55:52.880 put ashes on themselves and they wore roadkill it on their shoulder that's silly and they any 0.96

03:56:01.060 The slightest give a damn by them could determine that these things are goofy.

03:56:09.140 I've always really liked the little meme with, you know, the war runa chick looking thing. 0.81

03:56:17.140 And then the like actual Viking and his actual Viking clothes like, ah, look, it's a troll. 0.99

03:56:22.640 Kill it. 1.00

03:56:24.020 Those. 1.00

03:56:25.220 That's silly. 0.53

03:56:26.400 Anybody who has even a cursory understanding of the Viking Age knows that they would pride themselves on cleanliness, on how well manicured their hair or their beard, their nails, their earwax, all of those things were maintained. 0.79

03:56:45.780 they were thought ill of by other peoples because they would bathe regularly they would dress with

03:56:54.600 the most they would try to look as fancy and as like brightly colored as possible as a show of

03:57:01.920 their wealth and their success um yeah this like faux barbarism nonsense it's dishonest it's a

03:57:13.280 willful well yeah that's what the vikings look like but i'd rather look like cool black metal

03:57:18.960 vikings that i imagined in my head that's dishonest that's a on the face of it rejecting

03:57:26.080 something you know to be true in a you know what is popular today on the left uh a reimagining

03:57:32.720 of the viking age and which is silly um wagner's stuff was absolutely in the right spirit it was

03:57:41.280 absolutely mint with the best of his current understanding and it's really cool and it's

03:57:46.720 extremely inspirational and yeah i don't like that you know elements of his lore aren't accurate to

03:57:54.400 sources that i'm familiar with that i think the maestro did not have the same access to at the time

03:58:01.360 time but yeah his work is endearing it speaks for itself uh he is fantastic and those um

03:58:14.480 gross creatures are not and no one will remember or know their names 0.99

03:58:22.480 we can describe things now descriptively as Wagnerian we won't know yeah little

03:58:31.120 whatever that's called in the future.

03:58:37.140 I'm just trying to think of a lame enough name

03:58:39.780 to encompass those miscreants, and there's not none.

03:58:44.000 Again, the adorners of Grandma's Couches

03:58:46.880 don't really have a lot to offer 0.86

03:58:49.480 compared to the maestro of Beirut,

03:58:55.040 who we still have festivals about his works to this day.

03:58:59.620 A lot of times, though, when I look at the modern ones, like the Ordrunas and stuff, it seems like they're trying to depict some, like, backwoods hermit mystic without realizing or reading, you know, about how, you know, the leaders, the kings, the proper nobles were realistically the Gothar as well.

03:59:24.720 they held both positions most so often they were they were the nobles not the hermits in the woods

03:59:31.460 that were doing the spiritual stuff yeah there was you know some of that but that wasn't the main

03:59:36.660 presiding religious person that was the you know the mystic in the woods that somebody

03:59:43.200 absolutely have to they're the viking homeless people maybe but i don't even really think it's

03:59:51.460 an authentic depiction of the homeless vikings i think it's just a genuine

03:59:57.640 let's revolt against anything that's civilized and try to look like trash and i would say i'd

04:00:06.900 still take the uh i would take the wardroona ones over the creepy alien pan's labyrinth

04:00:15.300 looking thing from vikings tv show oh yeah the ghosts are in that where they're like

04:00:21.460 creepy and have like misshapen mutated forms yeah that's gross or the one that's

04:00:30.480 ragnar that you have to like lick his hand he's just some slimy little 0.88

04:00:35.220 the that that is defining our ancestors as a counterpoint to civilization and again to be

04:00:51.620 fair i think that is seen in the romantic era when they are depicting the barbarian versus

04:01:00.180 the civilized you know the civilized in general at the time often it was juxtaposed to the

04:01:07.860 civilized roman i think you see that even in the day with tacitus's writing is he tries to make

04:01:15.700 the germanic tribes a counterpoint to the decadence of rome so i think seeing our ancestors

04:01:24.260 as a counterpoint to a prevailing civilization is a common thing to do

04:01:31.940 but i think it is most dishonestly done in the current age of the

04:01:40.900 inclusive inclusive paganism gross mental illness obese cult that we see

04:01:51.620 in various dark unseemly corners of the internet we had a number of years ago somebody had 0.83

04:02:01.540 bought a ticket to the virtual troth moved to like infiltrate it and like see what was going on

04:02:09.780 and i remember this again the afa never went through a period even through the

04:02:15.940 The hysterics of 2020, where we were doing these virtual things, we all got together and worshiped our God, shared horns, hugged one another, came out fine.

04:02:29.240 But for years, maybe still, as far as I know, other groups of these kind of people we're talking about, they're having these online deals.

04:02:37.900 So he got in there.

04:02:38.960 it is hilarious the i don't know what bridge these people crawled out from under

04:02:49.920 it was really it was really gross and funny and all of those things on the surface

04:02:56.660 yes i laugh at those people but on a deeper layer it is also tremendously sad

04:03:05.320 every one of those people not most of not lots of 100 of the people in that video chat were

04:03:16.600 like if i had to draw you a picture of modern like severe mental illness it would be these people

04:03:25.960 100 percent of them were gender ambiguous with they were hideous they had glasses and they had

04:03:38.060 all kind of ailments that were obvious they were all morbidly literally all of them were morbidly

04:03:44.260 obese they had you know any manner of bleached out strange looking hair and this is not to say

04:03:54.680 I know there's some of you ladies out here that have, you know, some different color hair that looks really beautiful and attractive.

04:04:01.600 It's not our norm, but I've seen people do it in ways that's cool.

04:04:05.280 No, these people all looked very, they were literally the picture of ill health physically, mentally, and spiritually.

04:04:15.200 And it was, you know, it is not a worthy use of our time to go look at that and laugh at how gross those people are.

04:04:23.140 But it was informative, the deep divide, and if it's pick one or the other, it is very clear that we chose the correct side of that divide to be on.

04:04:38.160 Yeah, no, it's funny and stuff on the surface of it.

04:04:41.560 It is, and I'll have a good laugh at it. 0.99

04:04:43.720 Those people are literally our enemies, but they're also grossly mentally ill. 0.96

04:04:48.560 and that's somebody's son daughter they them there that is deeply deeply troubled in a way

04:04:57.200 that i don't think there's a high likelihood of reversibility to uh but i don't know how

04:05:03.440 that got from where we were at well that was a juxtaposition to society and i think a lot of

04:05:09.440 These people think that our gods are caricatures of barbarism and anti-order, anti-civility.

04:05:19.380 Yes, they miss the point of order versus chaos, or they embrace it in a different way and don't realize that we're on the order side of that equation.

04:05:29.900 and this goes directly to the next question do you think these lgbtq uh universalist pagans

04:05:36.860 who claim to follow loki are actually following loki or are they just imagining things yes i think

04:05:45.100 both of those things are happening i think they have no idea anything about loki i don't think

04:05:51.340 that there's some kind of you know them and loki doing doing some kind of handshake and 0.51

04:05:56.620 them literally working together i think loki probably delights in these woefully mentally ill 0.78

04:06:04.700 people and their shenanigans because it helps to bring down order it helps to damage all the things 0.73

04:06:12.540 that are beautiful and good in the world and i think that probably serves his purposes but i

04:06:20.060 don't think they serve him in any kind of ordered fashion because honestly i don't

04:06:27.420 i think he he might find them just as absurd as we do but more useful they serve their purpose

04:06:35.100 uh swan what are your thoughts i'm just gonna say i agree yeah they they serve the purpose the

04:06:41.260 purpose is to uh break order break um the center um to again the deception of the the folk and um

04:06:56.780 and again he he being bound i am a we do talk about mythic time and all of these things that

04:07:05.260 that which is unbound and bound and released is all at the same time or like lord balder being

04:07:11.980 uh with the gods and then in in death and then uh risen again that's another topic elsewhere but

04:07:22.300 let's just speak from the binding the binding of the forces of chaos at bay right now

04:07:28.700 uh fenris and loki are eventually loosened but these people are saying no he's not bound um

04:07:37.420 and that he's just misunderstood and uh or the other you know without him they would they're the

04:07:44.700 treasures of the gods would not be had but i think they missed the entire spiritual overlay it's it's

04:07:50.700 it's it's kind of amazing how ignorant it is they are to it all but um yeah i think that they that

04:08:01.740 certainly his and fenris and i spoke about that the forces of chaos do influx in the middle world 0.78

04:08:08.060 and i am quite positive he's probably pleased with the

04:08:12.300 treachery um that they are and cause but i mean at the same time i i can only imagine just how

04:08:23.200 tiresome it would be to look at some something that claims to be you know of you and working 0.62

04:08:30.440 with you but isn't just an absolute like uh i mean it's just like a fart telling you i'm with you 0.98

04:08:38.780 like i'm with you great thanks damn it now it just stinks and and it's useless no i 0.90

04:08:48.140 it's being it's being very mean but um yeah no i just yeah these people have the possibility of 0.94

04:08:57.500 great amounts and then they shift because it's a it's a pipeline they go from that to saying that 0.96

04:09:04.420 they're uh rock a true and the gods um are really the bad guys because they're just the big arian 0.95

04:09:12.440 jocks and uh the old you know lowbrow um jotens are are the real you know true they're with nature 0.98

04:09:23.280 or it starts it goes how's it true to vana true and to rock a true with loki sprinkles so and

04:09:28.660 that's ultimately the goal is to break away from order and any semblance of personal and it's in

04:09:35.460 that way it is exactly like as real abyss goth satanism i understand like the church of satan

04:09:49.860 doesn't have a lot to do with like bible satan i get i get that and that's all philosophical

04:09:56.420 and highbrow and whatever else but the edgy goth kids that want to say they worship the devil

04:10:05.700 that is the same that to christianity is these miscreants to alsatru is pretty

04:10:13.620 it is positing that they accept some kind of similar worldview but try to align themselves

04:10:20.580 with the bad guys of that worldview but it's not really about loki just like it's not really about

04:10:29.380 the devil it's about being anti the icier and order just like they're anti the church and

04:10:39.620 hygiene and being socially acceptable

04:10:43.140 um next on the list does fawn remember when he was in the military stories of things happening

04:10:56.160 becoming exaggerated after they had happened uh from other fellow servicemen yes absolutely

04:11:05.700 there'd be cross talk and things that happened and uh from one person there's perception of

04:11:12.480 absolute badassery and then from someone else they were just like why were you taking so long

04:11:17.520 what the hell is going on um but nothing outside of that i think that especially the marine corps

04:11:25.120 was very matter of fact in the way that they they dealt with things i think it was even exacerbated

04:11:34.560 more because the army um at the u.s army at the time was going through the

04:11:39.840 and i'm speaking simply from my experience they were going through the um i can't believe i 0.97

04:11:47.840 forgot it it's the the um there's a female soldier doing stupid things with prisoners and um at the 0.95

04:11:58.320 time we were all super upset because we were out in in the dirt dealing with the repercussions of 0.96

04:12:05.120 this uh abu garab is what it was abu garab was happening and um they uh it was so matter of fact

04:12:16.720 that we because we were constantly trying to work with locals and so on and so forth yeah so in in

04:12:23.840 the in the governmental sense in the marine corps no not at all actually quite the opposite they

04:12:29.920 would they would describe a battle or they would describe uh a uh an altercation um as almost like

04:12:41.280 like notes for a meeting but when we talk to each other and certainly even after and i'm

04:12:47.360 guilty of it too where i will speak about it from my own personal take and of course i

04:12:53.920 storytelling i inflect a lot of emotion and ideas and retrospective thought allows me to add more

04:13:01.040 into that um i i certainly not out of the sense to where it's it's fake you know pterodactyls

04:13:09.740 coming down and you know snipping off uh uh enemy's heads or whatever but um no not not

04:13:20.240 particularly i i do remember the marine corps just being super tediously uh bland and straightforward

04:13:29.920 and it kind of sucked when they did speak about loss of life as being so matter-of-factly but at 0.56

04:13:36.000 the end of the day it is about you know killing more of them than us getting killed and winning

04:13:41.060 so um i don't blame them it's just it was not ever really blown up or um perhaps even if you're

04:13:48.860 talking about the media the media doesn't know a lot and it makes up a lot of stuff but

04:13:55.200 i've never i haven't paid attention a lot to that after i got back so so this came about when we

04:14:02.480 were talking about the you know showing up with a 12 000 manned army uh like you know a minor

04:14:12.640 engagement getting blown up to like and there we were there was three divisions of iraqi tanks

04:14:18.700 And, like, I think that's kind of the question he's getting at.

04:14:24.460 Did engagements become, you know, more exaggerated in their numbers and scope?

04:14:31.520 I do think that some of them are actually more downplayed.

04:14:35.440 And whether they're upplayed or downplayed, it doesn't matter.

04:14:38.460 That's not the intent.

04:14:39.700 The intent is the purpose that it garners.

04:14:41.780 I think that our military utilizes that, they decimate, like in Fallujah, there was a lot of stuff going on that nobody ever really talked about that would just knock your socks off to see, you know, these giant cannons coming out of the back of airplane bombers and watching a building get vaporized because there was a sniper in there.

04:15:07.660 to me that's that's wild but they don't necessarily throw all that out because again

04:15:13.000 it does it alleviate surprise does it hide and then other times you know they will say like

04:15:22.280 a force undeniable just rolled in and decimated and they're doing that to either hide their

04:15:30.120 their tactical prowess or they're doing it i don't even think this is in a governmental sense

04:15:36.200 but like you and the guys like when people are telling the story 10 years later

04:15:42.280 at the bar whatever do the numbers exaggerate at some point

04:15:50.040 no i don't i mean i think every person's pretty especially when you're in those situations you're

04:15:54.760 super hyper focused so you're you get that tunnel vision kind of mindset and sometimes you'll even

04:16:01.080 forget that people were there you'll be telling the story and it's like bro i was like right on

04:16:07.800 the corner of the block with you it's like uh um no i never i never really saw a lot of that to be

04:16:16.520 honest which is odd now that i'm thinking about it well there is a humility among veterans or at

04:16:28.520 least a a reluctance to talk grandiosely about their service that i've seen and i don't know

04:16:38.200 if that occurs internally but it certainly occurs externally um i have never encountered a combat

04:16:46.120 veteran that wants to talk heroically about their awesome deeds on the battlefield

04:16:51.160 kind of wish I did but that's not for me to decide that's their glory to talk about or not

04:16:58.720 and they own that um but I have noticed that because I've worked with and around a lot of

04:17:05.500 veterans and I don't just mean um enduring freedom veterans or you know recent veterans

04:17:14.260 i mean like my grandfather he was in korea and he did not want to talk about that for

04:17:21.120 he would talk about that in the most vague i mean he would talk about you know one time they

04:17:28.960 commandeered or did something to where they they like were able to hijack some kind of train load

04:17:35.500 of fruit cocktail and they had a whole bunch of fruit cocktail they were eating or like that kind

04:17:41.220 of a thing, but actual, actual life or death engagement things. And this is a very common

04:17:50.120 thing being on the outside. And again, you may as a, as a, as someone who served, you may have

04:17:54.640 a very different perception of this, but veterans only in my capacity as an AFA go-fee have I gotten

04:18:05.760 veterans in a position where they will open up to me about combat experience in a

04:18:13.920 detailed way i've never and this is one of the things that i noticed working in the bars

04:18:21.520 see all my stories come back to the bar so but i worked um it was right outside of joint base

04:18:28.640 elmendorf richardson's we had a lot of uh servicemen and women coming through and a lot

04:18:34.640 of guys that were in on the big um the big surge and like the striker guys and a lot of those guys

04:18:43.200 were there and even when they were very in their cups like

04:18:48.400 nobody wanted to talk about specific engagement and guys that didn't do much of anything that

04:18:56.800 never left the base or whatever wanted to flex on me about how you know you're welcome for your

04:19:02.640 freedom and they wanted to do that on me a lot um but guys that i knew there that were special

04:19:09.600 forces guys or that were really involved in the striker uh actions in iraq those guys didn't

04:19:17.580 ever mention those things um it might come up in the periphery at some point just if another guy

04:19:27.020 was there that they knew from that but again not with not with a lot of stories

04:19:30.860 so i don't know if that's something culturally with the modern military or what to where i

04:19:39.440 don't see those big fish stories of somebody talking back and talking about oh man it was

04:19:43.960 crazy you didn't it was there's 30 30 hodges no there was 320 there was there was 10 000

04:19:51.080 like i don't hear that um but you're again your experiences might be very different uh from a

04:19:58.540 different perspective but i that's a strange thing i don't know if that's the case i think

04:20:02.940 it was finn race that asked i don't know if that's the case in europe or other countries

04:20:07.820 well i think there's definitely a loss in that um one you may take down an enemy or be engaged by an

04:20:14.780 enemy at distances where you don't ever see them and then to you know land mines you step on one

04:20:20.860 and that's that's that um or you know roadside bombs improvised uh explosive devices etc

04:20:28.940 really does take out and it's a it's a great wash of the spirit to go into battle and realize

04:20:37.260 it's not something as simple as facing off with your enemy it is a different situation altogether

04:20:46.060 and um that does i think drain a lot of what would be but when i whenever i do hear other

04:20:54.620 uh vets talk about like something really cool i i used to know a marine that got into a knife

04:21:00.860 fight with a somali in in mogadishu and um and he's obviously he was older than me i wasn't even

04:21:09.900 in the marine corps when he told me the story um but it was good with the blade is that a

04:21:15.980 somali thing no the somali did not have a blade oh he brought 0.67

04:21:23.660 he brought himself to a knife fight without a knife um okay so your buddy shanked the somali

04:21:30.940 okay yeah uh well i mean they were in close quarters and he uh actually lost retention of

04:21:37.820 his rifle and um had no other option but to pull his knife and um and did business as one does and

04:21:48.940 i just remember being younger and just being like holy moly this is amazing and um but the way he

04:21:54.780 again described it was still kind of lackluster i think the guy was hiding in what he called

04:21:59.020 an ironing board closet um and now that i'm older i don't know if he was just making a joke about

04:22:05.180 skinny being skinny but um yes yeah it was it was just it was very very

04:22:16.060 bombastic in the way that he was describing it but

04:22:19.900 that's it it's like when it's one or some situation they're very very personally but

04:22:23.980 a lot of the times it is just um you know so far distance or so abrupt or so swift

04:22:32.620 and i mean a lot of the crazy things that i saw didn't even directly involve me i was just simply

04:22:41.020 there having the border patrols like uh brother the colonel they call we call them the colonel

04:22:48.220 but having the border patrol uh head of that on syria um you know having his brother who had his

04:22:56.460 eyes and his tongue removed and we show up to try to figure out what happened and where we're gonna

04:23:03.900 go or or whatever and it turns out that it most likely was the syrians and that was it it was then

04:23:11.180 it was just on to the rest of the day so shout out to the reddit pagans y'all brought us a listener

04:23:20.540 tonight i appreciate that x x said over in the comments that uh he found us on reddit because

04:23:28.220 people were calling us racist and referred to us as quote unquote folk people to avoid um

04:23:37.180 no that's awesome glad you found your way here um welcome welcome glad you're on this evening

04:23:44.060 uh yeah stories take on stories are funny that way so i think you know again in the in the

04:23:53.020 lore that we're reading tonight it's told i mean six seven hundred years after

04:24:01.500 kind of the setting or the backdrop they make out for it so i think things

04:24:05.660 have a lot longer to be of epic become of epic proportion and i don't think you deal with the

04:24:11.900 same social stigma as you do today if somebody's at the bar talking about you know absurd amount

04:24:19.820 of iraqis or taliban or whatever that he killed in spectacular and cinematic ways

04:24:28.860 i don't think it has the same kind of social cred that it would back then that's a shame that should

04:24:34.220 be awesome and celebrated right i think the guy would probably get thrown out and there would be

04:24:38.860 some horrible scandal um and that's tragic we don't celebrate warriors in the way that we once 0.95

04:24:44.380 did i'll tell you this just with stupid bouncing stories i would watch over the years and i would 0.97

04:24:51.180 see you know new guys or whatever a couple years in they would tell stories that weren't that were 0.98

04:24:57.980 my story like like no stop stop no that was me you weren't even here yet what do you but i would

04:25:07.340 look at them they didn't think they were lying they were just retelling a story that

04:25:11.820 they'd heard so many times they felt like they were there and it was so similar that somehow

04:25:17.500 they would like and and that i wasn't the only one people who worked there before me would say

04:25:23.420 the same thing and it's funny how the stories would change with circumstance over time um

04:25:32.940 um so that was kind of an interesting thing and again knowing the people involved I don't think

04:25:39.720 anybody was trying to lie I just think like Nick was saying in the comments you get this game of

04:25:45.300 telephone going and by the time it's retold for the sixth seventh eighth ninth time three four

04:25:51.780 years later the scenario changes a little bit I think that's probably writ large in some of this

04:25:59.160 poetry. So, wow. All right. The last like hour and a half has just kind of, I don't

04:26:09.480 know where it's gone. But anyways, Fenwright says, do you know, are the dwarves in fairy

04:26:20.020 tales like snow white and the seven dwarves related to the dwarves in lore yes um and i say

04:26:29.540 that just in the folk memory of the concept you would have throughout um the middle ages

04:26:39.940 okay and this is going to tie in with some of the other comments noticing the materialism

04:26:45.700 of the dwarves and likening them to um semitic peoples in a materialistic regard

04:26:55.140 i think that is us noticing something and projecting it on people because we see it

04:27:00.820 through a lens it's very dangerous to go back in time and think that's what the lore was referring

04:27:06.660 to but ironically enough in the medieval period you do see a similar role played by um jews in

04:27:19.940 europe sometimes and dwarfs and you'd see knights accompanied by um like you'd have like a henchman

04:27:29.860 Like a bad guy henchman would often be a dwarf or would sometimes be somebody's Jew that would follow them. 0.89

04:27:38.600 And that was kind of a thing. 0.91

04:27:40.540 And I don't know if it's the same, but I do think there was a thing that they saw in the medieval ages where they did associate the two in some way.

04:27:51.220 Svon, what say you?

04:27:52.280 Yeah, when you were speaking about like the Grimm's fairy tales and things of that nature, there is literally a story called the Jew amongst the thorns.

04:28:01.020 and um but yeah there's there is that sense of materialism um was long preset by germanic folklore

04:28:12.320 but changed into more palatable storytelling of the age and also you know reflecting in the world

04:28:22.800 around us as stories kind of morph but um yeah we have our ancient stories and the stories that

04:28:30.740 we're speaking of about kvasir and all of these things and then we have more the middle age

04:28:36.540 stories and so on and then all the way up even to tolkien and his um you know interpretations

04:28:44.120 which is still a blending of the two he actually uses a lot of nordic but he also uses a lot of

04:28:49.060 middle middle aged uh or the middle ages like um the he was even talking about the language

04:28:55.820 of the dwarves being

04:28:57.820 Semitic in

04:28:58.860 inspiration. 0.94

04:29:01.540 I always thought that was very interesting.

04:29:04.480 But

04:29:04.720 either way,

04:29:08.120 the dwarves of

04:29:09.560 Snow White

04:29:10.680 and the idea of

04:29:13.380 alchemical too is interesting because

04:29:15.240 the character of a

04:29:17.080 flag on the play. So we'll

04:29:19.380 include that question into this

04:29:21.520 meta question because it

04:29:23.420 does come up next and I think it's time

04:29:25.360 to read it in okay snow white and the seven dwarves might be internal alchemy the dwarves

04:29:31.220 is vices or character defects that need work red white black alchemy colors uh is freya and

04:29:38.780 the four dwarves connected they might have seen it as more uh shamanistic that's what the question

04:29:47.800 is um well i was gonna say yeah so in relation to that most people are familiar with the gnome

04:29:55.240 the gnome and its true origins are from French alchemy so that's kind of interesting um and I'm

04:30:02.380 sure you know if there's people that are telling these stories or more importantly people who are

04:30:08.240 writing these stories down have the ability one to write two to to put it on paper or book and

04:30:16.020 were probably of knowledge of um things that were the hobbies of the upper crust folk and a lot of

04:30:26.340 that had to do with alchemy had to do with uh fascination with um semi-semitic and semi-hellenic

04:30:35.540 talismanic magic a lot of that comes about from the nobles of the middle ages being

04:30:42.020 interested in these things and and really pursuing them um so i think there's a little bit of that

04:30:48.420 in there is there necessarily the the the sense with the the dwarves of ours well we we talked

04:30:54.740 about how the dvergar are of the earth and they are of matter and they are of two things that which

04:31:02.740 is and that which becomes from their interaction so i always talk about how the dwarves are beings

04:31:08.900 of physical nature and the resulting energy of that physical nature that which comes out of the

04:31:15.380 earth um and uh you know that that has interesting implications if you look at it in a scientific

04:31:21.540 view as with you know the electrons pinging off of uranium uranium comes out of the earth um but

04:31:30.180 the other point of that is these beings are of the material and they have a they ground divinity

04:31:38.420 they ground a lot of things and also produce certain things that that which they take is

04:31:47.700 condensed and reformed and then given back up or anointed by by the divine milner is a perfect

04:31:55.060 example of this um so you know i definitely see earthly sense alchemical sense energy sense

04:32:05.460 transference all being applicable even though perhaps there wasn't so much a just a congruent

04:32:12.900 understanding of that and then lastly when we we talk about the four dwarves it's not explicitly

04:32:18.900 said in the story with holy freya but her coming to the earthly realm to the middle realm

04:32:26.820 going into the place of energy and of of material and the four dwarves are likened to the four

04:32:37.180 directions over and over and over again in our lore we see the four directions is consistently

04:32:44.040 called upon there is the sense of that which is around us the circular nature of the the guard

04:32:51.320 or the wall and then there is the the four directions so whenever anything shows up in

04:32:58.760 fours it is generally a mythological speaking of attaining in all directions that which is and

04:33:07.640 pulling in and formulating with material and energy the brisingaman the brisingaman is then

04:33:15.880 anointed by the divinity and brought forth as the energy that is uh possession and that is um desire

04:33:27.720 and that is what moves um the hearts and or the desires of of the folk to do things uh not just

04:33:38.240 procreation i think people think that that's you know what it is and that's very base i think that

04:33:45.100 the holy freya is even beyond that she's not just the uh she's not just the al senor of of um

04:33:53.920 uh sex or or what have you no she's possession and that is very powerful and applies and beauty

04:34:02.100 and um that applies to a lot of different things so i think that the four dwarves in specifics

04:34:08.040 is language of her entering into the material into the middle and pulling from all

04:34:16.500 encompassing all of the directions and drawing in um

04:34:22.040 yeah i think that yes i think some of the alchemical is at play there i don't think it is

04:34:33.460 written as alchemical code i just think there's truths that are echoed in both things i think it

04:34:41.240 is absolutely there's process things but there's also also with alchemy and hermeticism and that

04:34:49.580 school of thought there's the idea of the fire over the water there is the um the higher self

04:35:00.120 or the astral being in command or control of the Chthonic. 0.96

04:35:06.000 Not that one is bad and the other is good, 0.95

04:35:09.500 but that to be properly ordered,

04:35:12.200 the one must lead the other and not the other way around.

04:35:15.960 There is something to be said for the dwarves 1.00

04:35:18.980 being that primal, lower self 1.00

04:35:26.720 with all of those instinct and the lust for stuff,

04:35:31.760 be it gold, be it material things, be it lust in a sexual sense,

04:35:38.600 be it those raw, undirected emotions and primal urges, if you will.

04:35:50.280 So there's something very valid, magically and otherwise, about making use of those things and ordering those things in their proper place.

04:36:05.120 Those things aren't bad things.

04:36:07.800 They are bad things when they rule your life.

04:36:11.080 when you rule them and you choose to express them in healthy ways in context under the direction of

04:36:19.720 will they can be very good things so i think there's a big meta story to be told about taking

04:36:27.020 the you know more primal chthonic urges and transmuting or purifying them alchemically

04:36:40.160 into the highest version of themselves the better attainment of that you know lust if you're just

04:36:50.280 out whoring all the time isn't noble and isn't good but if it spurs you on to find a mate and 0.61

04:36:57.660 to build a family and to be fecund and produce with a worthy mate a a line of descendancy it's 0.71

04:37:07.560 a wonderful thing. You know, lust after material things, if you're just full of avarice and

04:37:13.740 dishonor is not a good thing at all. But if it makes you motivated and, you know, aspirational

04:37:22.000 to accomplish, to be victorious, to conquer, to succeed, those are awesome, wonderful things.

04:37:29.360 You know, the rage, if it's not directed at anything, if it's because you're flying off 0.99

04:37:36.200 to handle its stupid things, it's extremely destructive. If it's harnessed because you 0.99

04:37:42.820 have rightful indignation at a foe or at a wrong that needs to be made right, it's a powerful and

04:37:49.480 a wonderful thing. Again, it's the will harnessing those things and transmuting them or at least

04:37:58.060 harnessing them and directing them towards things that elevates them. And I do think there's a story

04:38:04.260 be told with that in our lore um from lucat i remember hallucinating a vole in my house for a

04:38:12.820 month before my end stage heart failure it was proven in fact a hallucination could that be a

04:38:20.100 philia or was i just loopy from stress it's fun oh well one thing that lends to the credence that

04:38:29.700 it could have been your filca is that it is often said that the filca is seen before death and uh

04:38:38.580 you and i have talked before in person about that uh that you have um you know stepped

04:38:45.860 beyond the veil and come back so the validity of that is interesting um

04:38:52.740 i again one thing for sure is that uh if it manifests the the philgia can manifest in an

04:39:02.980 animalistic way in order to reflect the sense of nature the nature of the person um

04:39:12.740 also to you know i mean it could be chalked up to um simply a mental hallucination due to factors

04:39:21.300 and things going on in the body um i don't really like to degrade that i think that the spiritual

04:39:28.740 and the physical and everything are kind of synchronistic with each other but um if your

04:39:36.180 spirit has is or your field has projected to you as a vole um there is certain symbolic meaning to

04:39:45.860 that um and i i think it goes to say i mean most people are always like you know my film is a

04:39:52.100 is a wolf bear raven um it always is something you know super cool but in reality that's not how

04:40:01.460 philk is work philk is usually our projection of one's being and their might and they can

04:40:08.580 and have and do in in lore change um so there could be a sense of vulnerability there there

04:40:15.460 could be a sense of a part of your soul projecting um a sense of perhaps even deeper problems i.e

04:40:25.140 there is something burrowing in the ground so there's something unseen that needs to be fixed

04:40:31.940 there's there could be a lot to that but yeah i it also the one thing about philkia work that

04:40:39.140 i've always found is that there is a deep level of uncertainty in all things um i have seen other

04:40:46.020 people's philkia's before in relation to um being projected in some sort of animal form and always

04:40:55.300 not quite knowing is that what who and i met a woman and i actually saw her philkia in the form

04:41:03.620 of a fox before i met her and um and the the fox was injured and then that pro i should have paid

04:41:13.140 attention i didn't even realize the two interconnection but she was injured in a way um

04:41:21.060 and it was so strange because it was the night that i met her so i do take stock in this in a

04:41:27.940 a looser sense um but it also i think falls deeply onto how you feel that interaction because

04:41:37.300 i know you can't explain everything here so it if you felt like it was simply a hallucination

04:41:44.020 it probably was but if it had a spiritual significance to you um

04:41:50.260 then i would say you know i encourage to look deeper into that

04:41:56.980 Yeah, what's Fawn said? Honestly, without knowing more details, it's impossible for us to accurately say that. Could it be just a hallucination because your heart was failing and you were going through a lot of stuff? Absolutely, it could be. Could it be a message? Could it be your philia reaching out to you in some way? Absolutely.

04:42:19.020 Could it be the ancestors telling you something?

04:42:22.020 Could it be some kind of mixture of both?

04:42:25.300 Yes.

04:42:26.600 I don't, it is very seldom that you are going to get a crystal clear,

04:42:32.880 hi, I'm not really a vole, I'm your filia, and this is what I want you to do.

04:42:38.660 That's very atypical in that kind of interaction.

04:42:42.940 They're going to leave you perhaps with a feeling or a sense of direction towards something.

04:42:49.020 but very seldom with a crystal clear, do this, don't do that message.

04:42:54.380 So I think that could certainly be either,

04:42:56.780 and you're going to have the details that are going to make that meaningful or

04:42:59.780 not. And it would be, I don't know.

04:43:04.400 It would be us taking advantage, but yes, that was absolutely your failure.

04:43:08.040 What they're saying is you need to donate to New York's off.

04:43:11.520 For us to just latch onto that would be inappropriate.

04:43:15.720 and we don't have the context but if that's something that is that you want to talk to

04:43:21.320 either or both of us about later in a little bit more detail um sure we'd love to talk to you about

04:43:28.280 um i didn't want to say uh because i had been mentioned of um that it is mentioned that people

04:43:34.360 see their philkia right before their passing um but on the the other side of that is that very rarely

04:43:41.080 does a person see their philkia uh let's say without the the precipice of death and passing

04:43:48.760 through the veil from my experience most often if you are seeing it um it is not your philkia but

04:43:59.080 a messenger an outside source or or point coming to you to to relay messaging because 0.68

04:44:07.560 Because there is this sense that the Filchia follows you, is behind you, is behind your sight, and when it catches up to you, that is when you see it, and when it catches up to you, it is because you are now traversing through the veil. 0.89

04:44:25.220 Which this guy did. 0.98

04:44:27.340 Yes, and again, that's why I was saying.

04:44:29.640 That's why it makes it a little bit more compelling.

04:44:32.420 the convergence but for other folks listening you know if if you see a wolf or something in

04:44:38.780 your dreams generally i i've always taken that that is the an outside source or uh could be

04:44:45.860 your kin filkia i'm not saying that that people can't have you know there's different senses to

04:44:53.400 a filkia's um the soul of the collective people versus the soul of the individual but um i will

04:45:01.160 say this much other people will have a tendency to see your philkia without you either even

04:45:07.860 intentionally doing anything about it um they will have some sort of um moment of running

04:45:15.500 into or or having this animal kind of appear in their life and if they're not openly looking

04:45:23.100 or communicating that you'll you'll never really hear it but your philkia can uh bridge

04:45:30.020 that gap to other people and almost subconsciously telling them your nature showing them your true

04:45:36.900 nature so if you do run into someone and you see a lot of animal imagery in relation that's probably

04:45:45.300 their philkia and it's again that communication is on a deeper more symbolic level and uh and it

04:45:54.100 doesn't happen fast usually unless i you know you're greatly gifted but i have i have had it

04:46:00.820 but it usually takes a long time i have to be around someone for a very long time before i

04:46:05.540 start to see these signs that are letting me know and it's like wow that i wonder if that's their

04:46:11.780 philkia i wonder if that's their primal nature i wonder if their soul is reaching out in a

04:46:16.660 subliminal way to show me their deeper nature but at the end of the day i still can't fully confirm

04:46:25.060 or if it's just yeah yeah so finn wraith has seen christians and muslim exorcism or exorcists who

04:46:34.340 claim to cast house out norse gods who they claim are demons do you have any thoughts on that yeah 0.87

04:46:40.580 that's ridiculous yeah um well of course they're gonna say our gods are demons yeah that's first 0.94

04:46:46.020 that's dumb secondly well okay here's the thing the nature of and i i'm i'm completely unfamiliar 0.98

04:46:55.620 with muslim exorcism but christian exorcism is entirely based around invoking jesus's authority 0.98

04:47:07.940 or the archangel michael's authority to make you do stuff

04:47:11.940 the idea that get out because jesus tells you to one of our gods and our god oh wow cool we better

04:47:23.220 get out of here is preposterous on the face of it and it's very self-serving for them to

04:47:30.600 characterize things that way now again there is a long history in exorcism of deep quote unquote

04:47:39.840 demons claiming to be different stuff than they are and being dishonest so maybe there's some

04:47:47.680 you know tricky demon trying to ride coattails and pretend there's somebody that they're not

04:47:54.560 i don't know i can't speak to that but no our the icr don't occupy christian and muslim people 0.59

04:48:02.240 and have imams and priests say the power of christ compels you get out and then them comply

04:48:10.080 they are not compliant with the power of christ does not compel them to do anything but perhaps

04:48:16.260 chuckle um yeah you never see these uh uh possession things they're always uh speaking

04:48:24.300 in either latin or you know greek or aramaic or wherever conveniently like christianity has kind

04:48:30.500 always done its thing and then um but you know it's like you never like what language is this

04:48:36.260 guy speaking and it's like old norse you know it's like oh no that's not

04:48:44.180 yes i think that that is very convenient for semitic religions to

04:48:51.780 claim that all of everyone else's gods are their demons and that's just that's preposterous and

04:48:59.380 it's preposterous kind of on the face of it um swan also so from uh lucat spawn that tie do you

04:49:07.940 have a new tie knot to share it looks like i've been rocking the coverage i've been rocking the

04:49:13.780 same i have two knots that i know how to do eldritch and trinity uh the trinity knot or the

04:49:21.140 tripartite knot no i i've been rocking that because it's a little easier than the eldritch

04:49:26.260 and it holds together gather better but the eldritch knots still really cool it's just that

04:49:31.940 once you take it off uh it has a tendency to unravel and when you do the trinity knot it locks

04:49:38.580 itself in so you can actually undo it put it up on your you know tighten it back up and put it on a

04:49:44.980 hanger or something you need it pull it back and tighten it right back up that that that makes me

04:49:53.620 said. No, no, no. I can do it from, that's another thing that you don't want to do it too often

04:49:59.080 because it wrinkles the tie. So a lot of times, you know, now I can do it by hand, but I prefer

04:50:05.680 the Trinity knot over the Eldridge knot. You've got me up in my game to doing the double Windsor

04:50:13.100 instead of the single Windsor. That's the best I got, but there's not enough tie. It's very hard

04:50:17.900 for me to with the tiny little nub of of tie and make it work and chest torso ratio right

04:50:26.460 because before i started to run a tie the double windsor i didn't realize there was i mean i guess

04:50:32.460 i did realize there was different lengths of tie but it never really was a factor now it's like i

04:50:38.380 have this tiny little nubbins i'm trying to work around and if i'm wearing a vest it will help to

04:50:44.300 where i can kind of have a little bit of slack with it but and you look like fred flintstone

04:50:50.620 if you because if you do too much of it it's like yeah i can't have a like down to my you know the

04:50:56.860 end of my sternum little tie right that that's preposterous i probably could have had a vest

04:51:03.420 though had a high cut vest anyways uh i think i dropped down a little bit lower here we go

04:51:13.500 a question i recently saw a raven grab and take off with a rat did kill the rat i didn't see that

04:51:21.520 but i think so if this was a sign what might it mean i think enemies will be defeated swan what

04:51:28.920 are your thoughts uh when we talk about and it's very similar to the question or with the with the

04:51:34.780 philgia when we talk about signs and omens um some people take great stock in it some people don't

04:51:42.800 and you can't really i don't think it's abiding too much either way though again people who take

04:51:51.920 great stock in it can be misled very easily by uh natural occurrences but um in this case you know

04:52:03.520 here is this moment where you see this bird especially a bird that's not commonly associated

04:52:10.000 as being a bird of prey uh picking up a rat um and there are there are clear associations that

04:52:17.360 we have as with symbology in that and if you felt like your enemies are going to be kind of found

04:52:23.600 out or that they are amongst you um and what have you then that i think actually takes that

04:52:30.480 that instinct that initial flash of inspiration definitely has some merit in in omenology and in

04:52:41.520 like you know just foretelling through sign um and oftentimes people would argue that the

04:52:48.400 oral works in layers and those layers are just repetitive drum beats of that which the the

04:52:54.880 the from the microcosmic to the macrocosmic all things are struck once with the beat of the drum

04:53:03.040 uh or you know the percussion of of movement and all actions so that which is big happens small

04:53:10.560 etc etc and uh you know that which is done in deed is done almost symbolically through nature

04:53:19.040 or what have you um especially when we are in these mundane moments and then all of a sudden

04:53:26.100 something so strange like that happens um but i think that if that was your inclination and

04:53:33.980 your first flashing was that you have enemies amongst you and the raven was a representation

04:53:38.120 of you weeding them out i think that has validity to you yeah it certainly could it really depends

04:53:46.660 on your circumstance and i think to again like the previous question i

04:53:56.020 so we used to have these things on the talk shows on montel williams or whatever else you'd have

04:54:04.820 these psychics or whatever come on and they take these random things to the audience and they tell

04:54:09.780 you this big elaborate thing it doesn't really work that way without the context um

04:54:14.820 um I don't think we can accurately do that for you in a meaningful way what I do think

04:54:25.320 yeah your initial thoughts on it I think that matches up really well with probably what I

04:54:32.640 would think it meant if I thought it meant anything um

04:54:39.300 could just meant somebody was hungry and it's time to eat some eat some rat

04:54:42.720 But you know your circumstances, and if you had foes, like I said, that needed to be uncovered, I don't think rat is just about killing an enemy.

04:54:56.680 I think it's about uncovering and defeating a hidden foe or a shady, subversive foe as opposed to an eagle fighting a raven or something would be much more about defeating an enemy.

04:55:22.260 I think this is more about uncovering a hidden enemy or somebody who is a traitor or somebody who is of a coward or someone of low character being defeated.

04:55:35.340 I see that.

04:55:37.080 But again, without knowing your circumstance, I don't think I could go a lot further than that.

04:55:42.280 Nice bell music question.

04:55:44.280 Are you aware of any other religions in America that have any similar beliefs?

04:55:48.240 mainly asking uh for modern american religions that would agree on most modern american cultural

04:55:55.180 issues type of stuff thanks swan what what say you i i'm not i mean similar in in certain respects

04:56:06.580 absolutely i think that i speak of openly about my religion to my clients my clients

04:56:13.020 there are no house of true clients they are mostly christian of various forms but there are certainly

04:56:19.440 things that we agree on and then there are certain things that we don't and um but when it talks

04:56:25.680 about american cultural issue or yeah cultural issues um i think that there are ethical people

04:56:33.000 there are philosophical people and there are religious people and all of them have a certain

04:56:40.020 sense of that overlap and agreeance with the you know we are not all individual islands unto

04:56:47.380 ourselves we share space um there are certain things that are inequivocably evil and wrong um

04:56:55.620 and so on so you get you know the if me and my client or someone of a different religion

04:57:01.780 are sitting there talking about you know uh thievery um in the sense of just simply taking

04:57:08.660 you know uh or um murder or what have you we could go into details and certain things religiously

04:57:16.580 but we we're in general agreeance because as a culture as americans um but then if they say you

04:57:24.420 know in order to be a good person you have to submit yourself entirely to this rabbi that

04:57:28.420 lived a long time ago obviously that's where we deviate so it's kind of hit or miss but it's like

04:57:34.900 paralleling uh no it's out like aussitrew and again aussitrew is i mean the paralleling between

04:57:43.620 christians and aussitrew i think has more dependency to do on whether or not that

04:57:47.780 christian is a european descended christian because again there are certain values that

04:57:53.220 christians from other places uh we do not have parallel with it could be a korean baptist or

04:58:00.340 or what have you and they i feel like there's less of a congruency there but if the christian

04:58:06.900 is a folk person uh then there is that because our religion is a folk religion and and those

04:58:14.420 people are still folk even though they are following a way that's uh veneered european

04:58:21.780 for quite a long time long enough to make it stable in its veneer but yeah yeah

04:58:39.780 the the trickiness is in the details of the question there are traditionally minded people

04:58:46.500 because the divide in this country is so huge real and i'm just going to put it out there real

04:58:54.040 religious people agree with us on a whole lot of traditional social issues men or men women or

04:59:03.280 women um you know your kids shouldn't go to tranny story hour um whether it's good bad or otherwise 0.75

04:59:14.960 race exists um yeah there's there's absolutely such thing as right and wrong uh the victim 0.65

04:59:25.320 mentality thing is bad all the degenerate culture things that have gone on the last 20 years 30

04:59:33.320 years i think most truly religious people share on that in the sense that they are pious and they

04:59:43.280 have respect for a higher power than themselves. They have respect for an ordered, structured

04:59:49.120 society. So I think there's that point of commonality. I think a lot of people who claim

04:59:57.220 to be religious and are just rebellious, they're like the, you know, we're Christians, but we've

05:00:02.800 got the rainbow flags on all our stuff, on our tranny female pastor thing and whatever they're 0.91

05:00:08.500 doing they're just virtue signaling to the left of people that kind of want the what was it from 0.88

05:00:15.700 the uh jay and silent bob people with the like your buddy jesus like ah um yeah that's not real

05:00:26.860 that's not real um real religious people i do think share that kind of traditional worldview

05:00:34.400 but that's not really about theology it's about an alignment of yourself recognizing your place

05:00:42.660 in an ordered existence with a higher power and with some ordered structured things then there's

05:00:49.280 some other things about just being decent people and otherwise you find that more commonly i would

05:00:54.140 say with deeply religious people than you do with people that don't have any any faith system but as

05:01:01.300 far as specific American religions that share a commonality, this is really odd, and I don't

05:01:08.460 really claim there's a lot of commonality, but it's an interesting overlap that I've noticed

05:01:12.360 recently. Pentecostals take an interest in Ausitru in a way that other American Christian

05:01:22.420 sex don't not sure why that is but i have noticed that is an increasing interesting kind of segment

05:01:32.500 of overlap or people who are interested it's like there's a group of people that

05:01:40.020 are outside of the mainstream of christianity that are very spiritually inclined but are very open to

05:01:47.620 more mystical miraculous experience in a way that i think other christians aren't so i think they're

05:01:56.260 a little bit more open-minded to perception of things than maybe more mainstream sects of

05:02:05.120 christianity are not sure if that's the case or not but i have noticed that that's kind of an

05:02:09.800 increasing and interesting phenomenon ah does Loki have much of anything to do with the three

05:02:19.400 months of the year that are not included in the time a human is being formed in the womb

05:02:26.300 I don't think so I've never thought of that I don't see any reason to believe that's the case

05:02:33.260 there's lots of varying gestation periods amongst mammals and i don't really see anything there

05:02:41.600 what about you swan yeah i've never heard of anything of that uh said before um i definitely

05:02:49.520 uh i don't know i it almost sounds like something mark would say

05:02:54.920 you know the binding of loki is also in congruence with the fetus or uh

05:03:00.980 um but uh the biggest thing i would say is it's worth remembering that the binding in the in the

05:03:18.080 latter half um i don't yeah i mean as far as like months to birth no i i don't i've taken to i've

05:03:25.720 heard some thoughts about how uh loki entered the material the physical world and um when his

05:03:35.980 father far bauti the far shooter the far striker um and that that's analogous for a meteorite

05:03:44.140 hitting a leafy island um i've heard that before and that was pretty interesting but

05:03:51.620 um as far as like in relation to birth or children uh or gestation not really generally i don't think

05:04:00.000 that he is held too tightly to any truly natural processes that involve uh gender in its proper

05:04:10.240 places and the the inception of life and things of that nature he's kind of the opposite he's um

05:04:16.860 you know things aren't the way they should be and it's clearly like setting off the alarm bells

05:04:23.340 then yeah that's where he's at all right so last question of the night

05:04:29.640 from sierra sorry it's been covered but do you think christianity is truly monotheistic

05:04:39.060 considering they have multiple higher powers they call upon uh god jesus the holy spirit etc

05:04:46.220 uh uh is it all the same one swan um judy is right now the jesus tripartite okay so jesus

05:04:58.060 jesus judaism comes from a polytheistic worldview don't tell them that no they hate this very much

05:05:09.260 i don't like that yahweh is from the from the the canyon uh but it was tailored specifically to the 0.67

05:05:16.460 needs of a specific group of semitic people so a lot of and i bring this up because christians will

05:05:24.620 utilize a lot of the old testament to kind of hype up you know oh they they called on their god and

05:05:31.020 we called on our god and all that stuff and um it's kind of a very passive way of saying like you

05:05:36.780 know we we are the chosen ones um they're kind of riding on the on the coattails of the old testament

05:05:43.740 but as uh christianity formed and changed the interesting thing was uh was jesus mortal was

05:05:53.500 jesus not a moral they fought an entire war on this and interestingly enough when christianity

05:06:01.980 comes into europe all european all arian faith is built upon the tripartite after the father and the

05:06:10.140 mother the father and the mother produce the tripartite the part type the tripartite becomes

05:06:17.100 the the the fulcrum of order and they didn't have that they had a biphetic relationship there was

05:06:26.220 the mortal yahweh there was i mean there was the mortal uh yeshua and the immortal omnipresent yahweh

05:06:33.820 um who again was plucked from a from a pantheon um but then on top of that it started to evolve

05:06:41.660 and get even wilder and and i think it even started in judaism so a lot of people are

05:06:47.180 unfamiliar and the reason why i think that it's truly not a monotheistic religion is one the

05:06:53.180 rabbit hole of looking down who yahweh's wife is with translations of the staff that's a rabbit hole

05:06:59.580 to go down so there's a father and a mother in a way um or isn't they would say no but i would say

05:07:06.780 at least it makes them a little bit more understandable um but then you look at uh

05:07:13.180 there was a time when christians you could ask a christian right now what do they think about um

05:07:18.700 azrael and they would be like oh that sounds like a demon name no i repeat that jesus get behind me

05:07:26.060 and all that stuff and it's like no azrael at one time was highly honored amongst christians

05:07:32.300 as the angel of death and the psychopomp that brought the souls before yahweh um and they have

05:07:39.420 totally let that go um and again you know any anything with an el at the end they they don't

05:07:46.700 realize um that's that's hebrew and aramaic and l in the front because the jews called their god

05:07:54.700 not yahweh they called him el ohim which uh according to my knowledge is the god of the

05:08:01.900 people and then any other thing beneath him and there is a multitude have the el at the end like

05:08:09.740 azrael and uh zazel but then half of there's a big war and half of them get sent down and they

05:08:19.020 still have their names um and their names are you know conveniently like good work of god or um

05:08:24.940 power of of l and um again this is just a byproduct of the canaanite religion of paul

05:08:34.380 baal ba and all all at the end meaning is like our our word for ouse so they just simply took

05:08:42.860 the word ouse and made that the deification of their people so it's it's really interesting and

05:08:50.380 funny but they are not truly monotheistic even though they will swear it vehemently but even i

05:08:57.020 growing up um and going to christian churches and stuff the um i was always just like man what

05:09:02.620 What level of power does, because they're always talking about Satan and deception and trickery and all of that stuff, like what level of power does this being have to this other being?

05:09:14.060 And then as I got older, it's kind of realizing that both of those beings, at least in Christian minds, have different names, but aren't actually that different.

05:09:21.860 You look at the perfect example is the story of Job, where, you know, Yahweh Elohim and Hasatan, the opponent, are talking to each other about how they're going to just tear this guy's life apart for end results. 0.80

05:09:41.640 And if you look at what a Hasatan is and Judaism and so on, you kind of begin to realize like it's like the bad guy and the good guy are not really that separate. 0.92

05:09:51.300 They're just kind of two sides of the same coin. 0.96

05:09:55.380 But they do have all of this satellite things. 0.88

05:09:59.820 And then Catholics take it another step further because they are direct descendants of Roman paganism. 0.68

05:10:05.460 so uh their worship of mary um is again just as much like the goddess worship um in a fitting 0.92

05:10:15.840 sense but and and then they take mortals and that's the really that's the really sad part

05:10:21.000 about that is they take the mortals of uh people who have died for their religion um and

05:10:29.540 and pray to them like we do and but we're up front we we honor our ancestors we honor people

05:10:37.820 who transcend uh for their faith die for their faith or protect their people um but they do it

05:10:44.660 but they lie and say they don't it's it's only glory and worship unto god etc etc and i think

05:10:51.960 that's uh you know a great reason um they're built in the hypocrisy and even judaism does it

05:11:00.500 there was uh where they would go not as rail but azazel they would place their sins into a goat 0.52

05:11:08.000 and send the goat out into the wild lands to be you know snatched up by bad things and the idea

05:11:14.660 was that they were giving up their sins to this fallen angel um that would take it from them so

05:11:25.940 it's it's a misnomer it just it makes them feel better about themselves i think yeah i

05:11:32.420 I, it, yes, I think, and so this is a tricky answer.

05:11:42.300 Yes, I think most people who call themselves Christians in the United States are monotheists.

05:11:51.400 because i think that modern christianity as time has gone has forgotten or been convinced

05:12:01.640 to move beyond its origins i think most people common sense common sense kind of dictates that

05:12:12.860 their God exists as like God. And then he had a son, Jesus, that hangs out with God and is like

05:12:22.320 his right hand go to guy. And that the Holy Spirit doesn't really make any sense. It's just

05:12:29.620 a nice way of saying God telling you to do stuff. I think that most people common sense it to that

05:12:36.140 and don't dig deep into origins or theology or any of those things. So I think your average

05:12:42.480 american baptist is probably a sincere monotheist that's due to his ignorance not due to actual

05:12:51.840 christianity right um i think that if you try to make the christianity that is presented to you

05:12:58.400 biblically make sense that is monotheistic i think when you know how that all came about

05:13:05.520 It is very apparent all of the ways that it's not, beginning with their God himself is clearly, you can trace his root back to he won out amongst a bunch of other Semitic gods in the area of, you know, who's the top dog and going to have the cult that wins out over the others.

05:13:25.700 you see the interesting terminology of you know not that other gods are are false but you shouldn't

05:13:34.920 have any other gods before me in the commandments which is kind of telling or he couldn't go

05:13:41.820 northward to where the gods of the iron wheel was yeah there's other there's there's in the

05:13:48.700 old testament there's a number of different places where the divinity like other divinity is mentioned

05:13:55.540 um if you look for it or you know that it's there but as that evolves into you know the

05:14:04.760 christianity of the apostles i think had a brief moment where that was monotheistic

05:14:10.420 because they were very intentionally trying to contrast themselves with the paganism surrounding

05:14:18.280 them so i think the apostles were monotheists i don't think that any of the apostles thought

05:14:24.120 jesus is god and there's like a god that's in heaven but also a god that they were hanging out

05:14:30.360 with i don't i think the apostles were monotheists but very quickly and i say this too so maybe

05:14:40.440 ethiopian or you know coptic christians might be monotheists um i don't know that's so foreign to

05:14:49.720 me i don't really know what they do catholicism has always been overtly pagan since its dawn

05:14:58.120 all of the debates about the trinity are really telling and interesting

05:15:03.560 when it becomes obvious that they are polytheist no no but they're all the same person

05:15:13.880 but in no way that anybody found that made sense so that was always a constant struggle

05:15:21.880 as it went into europe and then you see very quickly and you can argue

05:15:26.840 like one supreme god and then if you worship and deify saints is that really lots of gods

05:15:36.440 or is that just a god and a bunch of like demigod like um lesser you can and i see that argument i

05:15:46.120 don't i think that we get it's silly to fight that too far it is absolutely idolatry and it violates

05:15:54.760 It's the, their God is a jealous God and you can't venerate anything else that's not Yahweh or Jehovah.

05:16:04.860 If you're worshiping Jesus or you're worshiping Mary, that's against that very fundamental tenet of that faith. 0.60

05:16:13.720 So it becomes very, very confused in medieval times.

05:16:18.240 the veneration of saints and praying to them for intercession

05:16:22.460 and celebrating their dead pieces

05:16:26.380 and reliquaries, which is all really cool. It's cool because it's stolen from

05:16:30.340 us.

05:16:32.880 It does get a little death-heavy and 0.78

05:16:36.040 odd when they had the Christians looking for the foreskin of Jesus, the holy preface. 0.80

05:16:41.720 I mean, whenever you're looking for pieces of genitals, that's a bit odd.

05:16:45.640 and you find like the bones and they're encrusted in just these amazing gold

05:16:51.900 reliquary things that's pretty cool i'm not going to say it's not that's awesome

05:16:56.980 um it's awesome but it's not christian and it's not jewish um you will find with most

05:17:05.420 of christian things that are awesome is kind of ours and not theirs um the things that are not

05:17:12.260 awesome is they're confused is it a monotheism maybe it's not maybe it is

05:17:19.380 a lot of that's silly so it's a it's a very contorted answer to your question because

05:17:27.360 honestly a lot of cool stuff the whole internally amongst christianity that has always been the

05:17:34.960 struggle and always been the contortion um if you want to say it's monotheistic because

05:17:42.020 they only worship one god i think that gets a little bit closer to the truth throughout the

05:17:48.340 old testament it's never really sometimes they'll talk about false gods of wood and of stone or of

05:17:56.420 whatever else but other times it seems very clear that they're talking about like actual gods that

05:18:03.220 are rivals to their god that you shouldn't worship and i think that gets a little bit more honest if

05:18:09.140 If you're monotheistic because you only worship one God, but you acknowledge there's other gods, that's fair, I guess.

05:18:17.960 That's a way of looking at it. 0.83

05:18:22.100 But yeah, you see, again, it goes through a lot of different stages if you trace it from the Jewish roots all the way through Christianity and into modern times.

05:18:30.840 Like I said, I do think we're in a state where it is currently monotheism because I think most people just don't really think about it that hard.

05:18:37.680 And it makes a lot more sense just to say, oh, God, that OK, cool.

05:18:42.620 But again, that's due to ignorance, not due to them being awesome Christians.

05:18:46.920 Well, and I was going to say one thing, too, I saw in the chat with Jason, he had made mention about the Babylonians. 0.95

05:18:54.100 And I think it's worth noting, yes, there was the time when the people that would eventually be known as the Udahites or the Judeans or the Hebrews were enslaved by the Babylonians.

05:19:04.920 and you can clearly see their influence 3 000 years before the bible is written the story of

05:19:12.840 the flood up in the epic of gilgamesh is almost word for word the same in in in um with noah's

05:19:23.320 ark so that that that info and the tree and the serpent and the snake in the garden with the fruit

05:19:29.080 all of that babylonians so yeah you know they nothing comes out of a vacuum obviously our 0.99

05:19:35.680 religion has evolved from stone age time to now i mean there's a difference between being honest 1.00

05:19:41.840 and not though and that's right but that's the thing if you're honest about the evolution of

05:19:48.700 your faith and similarities of semitic people and whatever there's a case to be made but it's not

05:19:55.220 it's very much plagiarized right but they say it's the one truth yeah and that's that's dishonest

05:20:03.860 um but yeah it's not honest it's not really monotheistic if you are a scholar it is maybe

05:20:10.500 if you're the guy down the road that you know listens to creed whoa hey you'd be nice creed

05:20:20.500 is wonderful i'm not a fan i've never been a fan i'm a fan of creed but creed probably is

05:20:27.140 monotheistic because i don't think they know a whole lot about jesus exactly so you established

05:20:34.020 you're supporting you've already explained them i don't i support them because their

05:20:40.180 music entertains me is fun to sing along with right and it's powerful

05:20:44.100 not because they have spiritual gravitas right

05:20:51.380 but i mean i think that also has to do with the fact that i'm 43 years old and uh you had to be

05:20:57.380 there so um that said we're going to call it a night this show went way longer than i thought

05:21:06.340 it would we did in fact cover a little bit more of the lore than we did two weeks ago we're going

05:21:12.660 going to cover still more of it for you in two weeks until we get there next week we are going

05:21:18.460 to speak with newly ordained gothi jonathan rock and he's going to have things to tell us about

05:21:24.920 corn and other things um so it'll be awesome i'm looking forward to talking to one of our

05:21:33.360 most charismatic gothar and a really interesting guy that's got a lot of really good things to

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Asatru Folk Assembly - April 03, 2025

4⧸2⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 143 - Völsunga Saga, Part II

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