00:05:30.300you are amazing and you are very very much appreciated sir um that said stuff uh dates
00:05:38.300to be thinking about kind of the the apex of our 30th anniversary celebration is at midsummer
00:05:49.020at odenshof this year that is again in the tiniest possible lettering so i can't read
00:05:55.100those dates for you june 27th 29th june 27th through the 29th uh be there or be square we'd
00:06:04.220rather have you be there um got a number of people coming out for it it's going to be a big one this
00:06:09.980year i'm looking forward to it and we would love to show off the first hop the house to folk assembly
00:06:16.540to all of our amazing members and any guests that are listening to this show them i want to come
00:06:20.460check it out we have had odenshoff now for almost 10 years wow this will be a couple months shy of
00:06:32.460it uh at midsummer but it's kind of a point of interest for some folks we actually scouted that
00:06:40.400out 10 years ago at midsummer um directly after our midsummer the mcdallens and myself my wife
00:06:48.820mandy and some friends of ours along with uh gothe thorgrin went and checked out the property
00:06:55.380that would become odenshof uh did the walkthrough and it's hard to encapsulate because doing that
00:07:05.540on that very first one um i've said this a lot on here the the distance between the couch and
00:07:11.300the door that's the biggest distance breaking that breaking that surface tension of having
00:07:17.380nothing to having something everything else is gravy after that once you get the momentum going
00:07:23.220but going from not having any hoffs to taking that first step on getting the first one is a
00:07:28.900really powerful thing and i was very blessed to be in the right place at the right time to be a part
00:07:33.940of um also in july we will have the third annual sigger bloat at siggerhane in jackson county
00:07:47.140tennessee that is the property that we purchased a little bit over two years ago
00:07:56.900about two and a half years ago it is what will be the capital of the austral folk assembly where we
00:08:05.780are going to be operating from it is where a number of us are moving to that county myself
00:08:13.460and my family included to establish ourselves in the community so it's the property that tears
00:08:20.900off will one day be on and we're very excited to have you guys there and to see the truly
00:08:26.420amazing place that it is it's absolutely beautiful it's a place we're really proud of and we'd love
00:08:32.900to have you guys join us for um that's coming up live 25th through the 27th and like i said
00:08:43.060love to see you guys there uh law speaker will you be joining us there this week
00:08:47.460definitely maybe all right and so far so you you might see our law speaker alan turn is there you
00:08:58.340will definitely i say that unless so last year i got i got skunked out of getting to go because it
00:09:07.540was that one day a year that all the airlines had all their computer stuff go down and i was
00:09:12.900very frustrated turned out it was a great event regardless sad i wasn't going to be able to be
00:09:17.620there i'm so looking forward to be there for this one and to meet all you folks there if you're
00:09:22.420interested in going to any of these events please reach out to your local folk builder to our
00:09:28.500producer nick to myself uh anybody you can get your hands on an afa leadership can get you set
00:09:35.140up and ready to attend we'd love to see you at either or both of those events and uh yeah so
00:09:42.260be there and be part of this that we've got going on.
00:09:46.600And I think that leads into the other thing.
00:09:50.760If you are listening to this, if you watch the show,
00:09:54.080if you hear the show, if you share our views,
00:09:58.000if you are a heterosexual white person,
00:10:01.020come home to the Ostrou Folk Assembly.
00:10:03.400We are doing some really spectacular things.
00:10:05.760We would love to be doing those as a team with you,
00:10:10.180If you're on the team, with you in the AFA family, it's, we use the term coming home a lot, but time and again, it's very heartening to hear that from people that join, that that's really what it feels like.
00:10:25.960A lot of people may have questions or, you know, concerns pursuing a new, a new religious path in their life.
00:10:35.080and I get that, but one of the things that is the most special, I think, about Ausitru,
00:10:41.380at least for our folk, is it is a coming back to what is natural to the blood and bone of our
00:10:49.620people. I felt that overwhelmingly when I came home to Ausitru, and I would wish every one of
00:10:56.620you guys has that feeling. So runestone.org, check it out, think about joining. It's no better time
00:11:04.860them now i felt the exact same thing and i've said it many times and um it is your birthright
00:11:12.300to worship your gods in your uh in your own temple and so um we welcome you to
00:11:22.380share that experience this is a a tribal group
00:11:29.980um i'm reading the book the difference between tribalism and individualism
00:11:34.860But it's definitely your right and your privilege to be able to come and worship with us in the modern version of Owls of Truth.
00:11:50.080And, you know, something else I want to add on that, and I've said this on the show many times, but I don't think it can be overstated.
00:11:56.280the more you move your life and the things in your life to synchronize and to harmonize
00:12:06.000and be in alignment with who you are the better everything works and the better everything fits
00:12:14.000together in the modern world we've you know sometimes by necessity other times by convenience
00:12:20.220had to learn to bifurcate or not even bifurcate but well there's that if it was just split between
00:12:29.680two but it's not we've compartmentalized what the life we have with our friends with our co-workers
00:12:37.000with our families and what we do at home and maybe what we really think
00:12:42.300into all these different categories, the more you build your family within your faith and your
00:12:51.360values, the more you express your faith and your values in your friend group, in your, you know,
00:13:01.200work relationships, in the other ways that you interface with the world, the more you're able
00:13:06.500to do that the better life works and i mean that in just about every way that can manifest the
00:13:13.140better thing it brings your whole self into harmony and that's so much of the mental problem
00:13:20.340that we have everywhere else is that we're you know we practice one religion and a different
00:13:27.620philosophy and a different kind of uh politic and you know then a different kind of economic
00:13:34.500and the more you can harmonize all those pieces of your soul which the you know in our faith we
00:13:40.740realize that the soul is many facets it's you know the nine part soul complex and the more that you
00:13:46.980can make those pieces work together in harmony um the more you are aligned with the will of the
00:13:52.820universe um i recently heard um and of course the greeks wrote a lot more stuff down i think
00:14:00.740we probably said the exact same things in just as much profundity. But I believe it was Seneca who
00:14:07.060said, become such as you are, once you figure out what that is. And the longer I have practiced
00:14:14.820also true, the more I have realized that that's where that's really what I was all along.
00:14:24.420Yeah, it brings up another thing. And I promise we'll get to the topic of the show here in a
00:14:28.580second but a lot of these things up front i think are really important and worth worth leading on
00:14:32.900well i have another distraction too later on oh well okay so what i was going to say real quick is
00:14:39.300um i really meant that earlier when i talked about a synergy it's not just that all the parts
00:14:45.700don't conflict and so there's an inherent harmony when they're all clicking together
00:14:52.180it becomes worth more than the sum of its individual parts they build upon one another
00:14:58.580Your religious practice should enhance your life as a husband or a father.
00:15:04.440That should enhance your, you know, who you are at work.
00:15:09.200That should enhance what kind of a friend you are, what kind of a person you are in the other aspects of your life.
00:15:15.300All of those things should work together in a way that propels you forward at a faster clip than you normally would if you're doing them all piece by piece.
00:15:27.800And it's similar to the power that we get when we do things in ritual, doing things as a group.
00:15:34.880We're building upon the momentum of each other.
00:15:38.440And there's there's a there's truly a magic at play.
00:15:41.960And the other thing I wanted to mention is the idea of wholeness.
00:15:45.080We talk on here a lot about how our folks suffer from a soul sickness.
00:15:48.780the key malignancy of that is this separation an alienation of us from our gods and our folk from
00:16:00.180what is the natural way of our people the more we heal that the more we become whole that's the
00:16:06.540entire concept of health to our ancestors was the idea of being whole we are sick to the degree that
00:16:13.980we are compartmentalized. So keep that in mind. And Alan, for your other distraction.
00:16:24.180Yes. A couple of things. First, you know, a reminder that I do like to, I think of these
00:16:31.400shows, although separated apart, I'm always happy to entertain questions about, you know,
00:16:40.200So the previous shows, if you have a question about credit, health, or, you know, those sorts of things, that was the top of the first show. And that's my profession, bankruptcy law. So if you have questions about any of that or health or any of those, I'll, I also want to give a, speaking of which, in that, in that mean, I want to give a shout out to Cliff Erickson, who
00:17:07.660ramped up my intermittent fasting practice. I was kind of lazily doing 18-6 and not really
00:17:20.920being very disciplined about it. But then when he came down for Charming of the Plow,
00:17:24.280we talked about it. He's doing 24, meaning eating four hours of the day and fasting 20 hours a day.
00:17:33.260so um i started doing that um and i've lost two inches off my waist
00:17:42.320um a whole lot of weight um and feel a whole lot better so thanks cliff um thanks all you guys
00:17:51.960doctor whoever it is that did that research about five or six years ago that showed the
00:17:56.780benefits of intermittent fasting and autophagy and all the benefits of that for your body
00:18:02.860And thank you to my lovely girlfriend, Ann, who cooks such delicious food that even though right after I eat it, I'm starving still, it is fantastic and healthy.
00:18:14.900um so everybody out there who's single or if you are in a position where you can
00:18:23.060affect the attitudes of your of your life mate um
00:18:28.140that is a game changer as somebody who's been in relationships with people who are
00:18:34.960not like-minded to us and luckily settling down with mandy who is very much on the team and didn't
00:18:43.040come here as a plus one, but was doing this with, you know, before she met me, having
00:18:49.420partners in your life that help you synergize with your goals are really important.
00:18:55.340Whatever your fitness goal is that you want to achieve, having a partner that helps you
00:19:01.980is a huge key to success because it's really hard to be in a relationship where you're trying to be
00:19:07.560on a diet and they're trying to not be, or you're trying to, you know, eat a certain way or live a
00:19:13.580certain lifestyle. And they're like, no, we need to go out. No, we need to eat this. It works really
00:19:19.300well when you have somebody who wants to help either engage in the same goals as you are at
00:19:26.160the very least is supportive of facilitating that lifestyle. I've seen that with wives and
00:19:31.500girlfriends, or, you know, I think I see it less often, but conversely with boyfriends or husbands
00:19:38.020who actively help support and facilitate those positive life changes. I've seen couples that
00:19:45.980mutually provide each other excuses to wallow in mediocrity or descend into obesity and ill health.
00:19:57.240And it's really easy when you have somebody else there, you know, kind of giving you permission to be less.
00:20:05.220But it's awesome when you have somebody that, you know, helps push you forward and helps, you know, make those things work out.
00:20:12.060So that's that's awesome that you have that with your with your fasting.
00:20:15.860And I'm glad it's working out for you. Before we get in the meat and taters here, you guys, you guys are awesome.
00:20:23.240i appreciate you all so much uh kyle in tennessee donated 200 to help us pay off mjordshoff
00:20:32.360thank you um angela in new hampshire and this is by no means her first donation towards it she is
00:20:39.240stacking up helping us out on this 25 to help us pay off mjordshoff much appreciated and an
00:20:45.960additional 25 to help get the steeple repaired at baldershoff which is project they're working on
00:20:52.680yep and then yet another 25 to the vns fund so thank you angelo we really appreciate it it means
00:21:00.040a lot and bill in tennessee donated sixty dollars to the new york's hall fund doing his part we
00:21:07.400appreciate it that is thank you you know within a matter of minutes getting us you know the better
00:21:15.720part of 300 towards the goal is is really remarkable thank you guys we appreciate you
00:21:22.360right it's a great honor to see how much help we can get from folk and this is what
00:21:28.600i know this is what you do it for and i will say that's what i do it for to you know to
00:21:33.480see the great joy that we can bring to people um who come with us um down this journey that we are
00:21:42.680uh, you know, um, where we're re-clearing this path to, uh, to, to our own gods. It's beautiful.
00:21:53.680Well, all right. Without further ado, Alan.
00:21:56.720Well, there is actually more ado because I have another question.
00:22:24.820I know, right? But so when did you quit proclaiming to be perfect?
00:22:31.160um my claim to perfection is ongoing don't believe the hype so it's it's funny you say that because
00:22:44.840i believe that there's probably a certain segment of detractors that think that both
00:22:50.760i have claimed that i am at some point and secondly that i think that claim to be true
00:22:55.800neither of those are the case i would like to think that i am moving
00:23:01.960closer towards perfection than i am drifting away from it that's certainly my endeavor each
00:23:06.920and every day but i have a long long way to go before i get anywhere close to that right and
00:23:14.120as you know the question was facetious and you know and i would certainly say the same about
00:23:18.520myself that i am you know that i am i do the best i can with uh the resources that i have um i will
00:23:27.400say i i think it to be true about myself and i know it to be true about you that that we operate
00:23:34.280in good faith in our best efforts um to further the cause of the gods and our folk and um and so
00:23:43.000i appreciate the efforts that you make and the efforts that all of us make um toward making uh
00:23:50.520a little better as we regain our place in the modern world. And if you will indulge me in this quote from Theodore Roosevelt that I have come to think a lot of, a reminder to all of us,
00:24:12.560It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
00:24:20.300The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, but who does actually strive to do the deeds, who stumbles, who comes short, who errs again and again.
00:24:34.840for there is no effort without error and shortcoming, but who does actually strive to do
00:24:39.800the deeds, who knows the great exhortations, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy
00:24:45.580cause, and who, at the best, in the end, knows the triumph of high achievement. And if at the worst,
00:24:53.580if he should fail, he at least fails while daring greatly, for his place shall never be among the
00:24:58.980cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
00:25:04.620And that's one of Roosevelt's most famous quotes from the man in the,
00:25:10.380it's called the man in the arena. And, you know,
00:25:13.720so I think that those of us who do recognize that we make mistakes.
00:25:21.380I think one of the great prideful things about also true,
00:25:26.540Certainly one of the points of my practice is that I own my mistakes, that the things I've done wrong, I admit that I've done wrong and I try to make amends to those who I've wronged.
00:25:42.360And, you know, I tried always in furtherance and in service of the folk.
00:25:46.440Um, but, uh, to those quitters and splitters and other bed shitters, um, I want to, uh, paraphrase a quote from Samuel Adams that was also one of my favorites.
00:26:04.440If you love respite more than duty, the tranquility of anonymity more than the animated contest of rebuilding our folk, go home from us in peace.
00:26:20.260Crouch down and lick the hands that oppress you.
00:26:23.240May your chains sit lightly upon you and may posterity forget that we ever called you kinsmen.
00:26:34.440And that Teddy Roosevelt quote has always been extremely inspirational to me. I read a three-part biography series. I don't know, probably getting old, probably 20 years ago now.
00:26:55.820That was one of the best biographies that I've read.
00:27:01.140It was a three-part biography, and it really impressed upon me what a spectacular man he was in the sense that he was always a man of action.
00:27:12.700And he didn't come with good health or the natural ability to.
00:27:18.140He built that himself through consistent effort.
00:27:23.520it shows how much determination can can change your physical and mental life absolutely absolutely
00:27:34.800and uh yeah that's that's always been a great inspiration to me and and just to
00:27:40.040tag along on you know your your comical question about my own perfection
00:27:45.680um that reinforces another theme on here that i think it's good to reiterate
00:27:53.180none of us are perfect that doesn't mean we shouldn't be out there trying the moment is
00:28:01.080never perfect if we wait around for the perfect time to do the perfect thing in the perfect way
00:28:07.700we will never do anything and take that most difficult step that i started the show talking
00:28:13.160about from the couch to the door because we can spend the rest of our life planning for
00:28:18.600theoretical perfect getting out there and making stuff happen while we're pursuing that perfection
00:28:24.720that's that's and i think it's certainly a fear of a lot of the folk who might step into um
00:28:31.160leadership as a folk builder or you know take the next step in and become a gothy um
00:28:37.740you know that you're afraid you're going to mess it up but you know the only the worst mistake is
00:28:45.020not to do anything. And yeah, you're going to make mistakes. You're going to have moots where
00:28:48.920you do the wrong thing, you say the wrong thing, you show up at the wrong time, you
00:28:54.500ruffle a couple of feathers. You know what? Life goes on. Things are going to continue and it's
00:29:02.040going to be better for your effort. You'll get better as you get practice at it. And the more
00:29:10.220you tilt at these windmills the the more assailable it becomes you know that has certainly been my
00:29:17.580story involved in the house of true folk assembly um i didn't start out anybody special i didn't
00:29:26.460get to where i am through any you know i i don't know through anything that you'd see on paper as
00:29:33.420some kind of built-in, I don't know, built-in momentum towards leadership or success.
00:29:44.860It's come through just trying and trying hard and trying to find ways to devote myself
00:29:51.520as fully as I could to this that we're doing.
00:29:55.840And I think that showing that effort, if it's done with piety, I think you've got a lot
00:30:02.640of advocates on the other side of the veil that help push you forward a little bit when that
00:30:06.720happens, be it your ancestors, be it our heroes, and be it ultimately, if we're lucky, our gods
00:30:13.740themselves. So I also want to say this to start off. I know we keep finding other things, but we
00:30:20.420will get to the time management bit here in a second. But I want to say that something that
00:30:28.080have seen well-intentioned people make a mistake on religion isn't a science it's an art
00:30:40.720if you're trying to find the perfect secret code to unlock the you know the mysteries of the universe
00:30:48.880it doesn't work like that in real life if we believe that our gods are sentient gods
00:30:58.900that are wise and that are good and you know honorable
00:31:04.800then our gods can surely tell the difference between good intention and poor and between
00:31:12.480action and inaction a lot of people and they mean this extremely well but out of piety
00:31:20.640they don't want to take some of those first steps because they don't want to accidentally do it
00:31:24.000wrong they don't want to mess up this is too important to mess up and i get that i get that
00:31:28.480a thousand percent but sometimes you have to take a little bit of faith that our gods are going to
00:31:35.600judge you fairly, because our gods are noble, and give it your best effort. Every experience I've
00:31:45.040had in my life tells me that that's in keeping with their will, and that's appreciated by them.
00:31:51.880So I'd urge everybody, today's the day, go out there and make the effort. And sure, down the
00:31:59.200road, you may have a cooler altar, or you may have refined your practice, or you may have,
00:32:04.600you know found infinite ways to do it better and by all means i encourage you to do so
00:32:09.360but in the meantime get out there and worship our gods get out there and come home to
00:32:16.180the faith that you were born to be a part of
00:32:19.580i think that's all i've got for beginning of the show distractions
00:32:25.160uh now that the introduction is up um so uh like like with a lot of
00:32:34.220uh topics in adulting first of all you know youtube is rife with time management tools
00:32:42.380um so my approach to these things time management in particular for tonight but my approach to
00:32:49.020these things is more about getting the mindset um and because the rest sort of falls into place
00:32:56.860once you adjust your internal cognition to that sort of alignment, I think.
00:33:10.880So, and there are lots of tips and tricks out there, and I'll talk about a couple of them,
00:33:15.960but part of it to me, and I'll tell you hopefully not too boring story about one of the ways I adjusted my own attitude,
00:33:26.860A lot of it is mindset and it's approaching life.
00:33:35.380It's approaching your obligations with joy.
00:33:39.280And that's one of the things, you know, we and Matt, I think you're largely responsible for it.
00:33:43.340We talk about love, the love we have for each other and for the gods and for our folk.
00:33:49.160But I think joy is a big part of it, too.
00:33:52.180This life for us is not a veil of tears.
00:33:55.200This is the chance that we have to make these connections, to meet and love and be kind and be angry and do all the things that we do as human beings here.
00:36:22.820But one of the things that I personally would urge people to do,
00:36:31.720if you're if you're having trouble with getting through your stuff every day is try to rely less
00:36:39.160on your cell phone because i find that the clients that i talk to especially who you know have
00:36:45.960everything now on their cell phone if it's not in there it doesn't exist so it's you know write a
00:36:53.240list or even better don't have a list you know think i've got these four you know when you're
00:36:59.080you're going to bed i've got these four things i have to do tomorrow and those are uh you know and
00:37:05.800and then when you wake up you don't you don't need a list you don't need a phone you don't need a
00:37:09.880reminder you don't need microsoft telling you to uh you know how to live your life you can do it
00:37:17.560for yourself um and then you know for the time management and for the procrastination um to get
00:37:25.400over that sort of thing um i think one important aspect of that is to get up and make up and make
00:37:31.960your bed and that you know again that sounds like it has no relationship with this topic
00:37:37.480but if you can start the day being productive and turning your bed from disorder into order
00:37:45.640you can get that sense of accomplishment you know my life is better my life is more ordered because
00:37:52.040Because I took three minutes out of my not-too-very-busy day and, you know, and knocked out this one small chore.
00:38:02.960When I do think through my day, and I do sometimes make lists, I have more than four things to get through.
00:38:10.940But I like to knock out a couple of small things like that first thing in the morning.
00:38:15.340You know, whether it's something simple, taking out the trash, watering the plants, doing a couple of small things like that.
00:38:26.400And again, it reinforces that idea that you can do everything that you need to do.
00:38:33.360So you knock down a couple of small things, and I tend to put the one big thing, whatever that's going to be, I put it in the middle of my morning.
00:38:42.620And the reason is that after I've done a couple of small things, you know, I can sort of take a deep breath, gather myself and then call that client that I've been putting on, you know, and have a difficult conversation with them or, you know, do some of the other more difficult, more time consuming, more gut wrenching.
00:39:07.900Because I think that's the biggest impediment that most of us face to doing any of these sorts of things.
00:39:12.900It's not actually doing the task most of the time.
00:39:16.480It's screwing up the courage to get in there and, you know, crank the mower or pick up the phone and make the call.
00:39:24.160And if you do, you know, if you do that again, the middle of the morning, then you got some time to recuperate by the end of the day.
00:39:30.940And you will have knocked out one of those more difficult chores and gotten over it.
00:39:36.880I know another famous saying from the old days is, if you want something done, ask a busy man.
00:39:45.400And that's because people like, and I find, and I'm certainly the same way.
00:39:48.820If I have 20 things to do, I get it all done.
00:39:52.260If I have two things to do, nothing happens.
00:39:57.720You know, it always just seems like there's more time to, you know, to put off until tomorrow.
00:40:04.700But then when do you do tomorrow's work?
00:40:06.880So, you know, it's I think if you think of all of it as joyful and important as parts of your life that that that need to be done, that can be done, that that those are things that we can.
00:40:23.460That we can be and think of ourselves as helping the folk, helping your family, whatever it takes.
00:40:30.820And again, it seems to me that the mindset is the most important thing.
00:40:35.100You know, going shopping will help my family eat better.
00:40:40.980Mowing the grass will help my family have a better life because the ticks won't be as bad everywhere.
00:40:46.800So there's always a way to frame the chore in a way that makes it seem happy and important.
00:40:55.220And I think those are, you know, the rest of the stuff, I've got a list that, you know, of other stuff that I gleaned from several different sources.
00:41:03.520But if you can turn the thing so that you're aligned with having these chores and responsibilities be what you want to do, not as a way, something that you have to do, then the rest just happens.
00:41:20.660Well said. And I think that what a lot of folks need to realize and internalize, like most of the things that get brought up when we're doing episodes or when we're discussing adulting or any kind of self-improvement in your life,
00:41:44.080habits are tricky things to form it's not like you can just get up one day and do these things
00:41:52.540and your whole life changes you have to consistently make it a routine to where
00:41:58.720you're doing these things even when you don't want to it takes effort most things that are
00:42:04.520worth having in life do um but the more you can build a routine in your life to where it's
00:42:13.860just what you do, the easier that becomes. And don't beat yourself up when you slip a little
00:42:23.020bit, you know, because that too is an easy habit to get into. You know, I should have done all
00:42:29.820this and, you know, I'm a terrible person. I'm just a slug. Don't let perfect be the enemy of
00:42:35.700good. You know, man, I shouldn't have had those French fries. Well, that's it. Screwed up my
00:42:40.580whole diet i might as well eat you know a tub of ice cream every day for the next week and that
00:42:46.440sounds really stupid to say there's a whole lot of fat people out there that's a large part of
00:42:52.300how they got that way um see what you did there a large part of how they i see i didn't see what i
00:43:00.260what i did there but i will i will take it i will own it and retroactively i'll pretend it was on
00:43:05.040purpose um while i'm on it uh not related alexander thank you alexander casto our spectacular uh folk
00:43:15.760builder in northern florida bought us coffee we appreciate that we appreciate all you guys
00:43:21.840and your awesome donations you guys are amazing um i think that what alan said about starting off
00:43:30.240your day doing something productive to where you can build on that even if it seems small i mean
00:43:38.080you're not necessarily trying to impress anybody else if you can demonstrate to yourself your
00:43:44.800capacity to accomplish something that's huge and it's way bigger than most people think um
00:43:52.720i think everybody is looking for that one huge victory that's that's worth the time in doing
00:43:58.720man if i do this thing then we'll conquer the world that's awesome keep your eye open for that
00:44:04.160by all means if that presents itself to you jump on it but more often than not victory and anything
00:44:11.280you're trying to do in life is one you know it's an inch at a time until you get there and
00:44:18.800as i mentioned earlier the couch to the front door is the hardest step to take
00:44:24.160um and if you don't have that habit of stepping into the breach at every opportunity then when
00:44:32.400that big door does open wide you're not even going to see it you know when you're waiting
00:44:37.840when you're waiting for the one big strike well okay so that's games that is a really good point
00:44:48.160you have to put yourself in the places where things happen to realize opportunity
00:45:20.560a whole lot of young men, I don't know if this is the case with ladies or not, but a whole lot
00:45:28.160of young men that really wish they had a partner in their life. And, you know, they'll at some
00:45:33.940point resign themselves like, well, you know, one day, one day, the right woman will find me.
00:45:38.940It'll all just work out. I mean, how many of those right women are walking through grandma's
00:45:46.380basement. I don't think grandma counts. I think she's taken. You got to be where people are at
00:45:56.660to find success. Good things don't just come to you. But what does happen is when you go out and
00:46:02.800you put forth the effort consistently, that does draw things towards you. If you're out there
00:46:09.560trying, you're primed to draw those things towards you through your successful habits
00:46:15.980and through consistently being in the right place. And you're primed to recognize when those
00:46:22.440opportunities present themselves. But all of that has to do with, you know, getting out and getting
00:46:28.120in the game. You lose 100% of the games you don't play. And speaking of morning routine, I'm going
00:46:34.600put in another plug for cold shower um i know you're not a fan but you know that too is one
00:46:42.520of those tests of will you know when you can stand there in front of that shower head and
00:46:47.320know it's gonna suck for like 30 seconds till you get used to it um but you're stronger than
00:46:53.800you're stronger than that cold water and so you know with a couple of chores and some willpower
00:47:00.360the rest of the stuff's easy so i am not an advocate of the cold shower thing personally
00:47:06.520um i think that is needless flagellation in my circumstance it may not be in another person's
00:47:14.800but joking aside that's that's a good point and it's something that joe rogan talks about
00:47:22.900on his podcast too he likes to start his day doing a cold plunge in like an absurd absurdly
00:47:30.220cold plunge and for you know trying to push the amount of time he's in the plunge because it's
00:47:36.440like if you start your day doing something really unpleasant and really difficult then the rest is
00:47:43.140easy it's downhill from there you know if you start with big wind you're like last i am warm
00:47:49.220i am cozy in my bed i'm gonna just lay here and look at my phone and leisurely whatever that's
00:47:56.820very seductive if you can if the last thing in the world you want to do is get up and turn cold
00:48:01.880water on yourself and you are able to muster up the cojones to go do that that really does position
00:48:09.800you in a good way for the rest of the day i don't i don't like it i'm not telling you that's what
00:48:14.140i'm going to do tomorrow but truth is one of our virtues and i do have to say that's there is
00:48:21.260merit in that and don't get hung up cold shower could be something really different
00:48:26.280wherever you're at, but whatever that difficult thing is to do, there's value in doing it,
00:48:33.180especially if it has some positive result, especially if it's something productive.
00:48:40.200But, you know, in this life, don't miss opportunities for wins. We need to stack
00:48:47.520all the wins we can get. There's value to it. And starting your day with something is a really,
00:48:53.700a really good way to do that. Big time. And I think about some of the more embarrassing times
00:49:02.620that I've had, you know, and again, one of the ways that I will phrase it as have and will again,
00:49:10.140you know, once you've had a judge yell at you in front of your client, you know, being a little
00:49:16.720bit embarrassed about, you know, stumbling in a conversation or, you know, saying not the exact
00:49:22.660right thing to somebody that's, it's, you know, it's small potatoes. And, um, I think that's true
00:49:28.820for, for all of us. And we're, and we're, we're always afraid of, you know, stumbling awkwardly
00:49:36.940through whatever it is, but you know, it, it's going to be okay. You know, the other,
00:49:41.620because the other person feels the exact same thing. And, you know, if you're making an effort,
00:49:47.860You're making a genuine effort to reach out to them and be a good person.
00:49:53.780They will detect that at that gut level, and you'll get through it, and it'll be okay.
00:50:04.060Something I've found in my life and my experience that's true time and again, the scariest thing is the unknown.
00:50:13.560we put things off and we avoid things that scare us because we are worried about what will happen
00:50:26.640and we build that unknown in our head to be worst case scenario it's even scarier if we can't put a
00:50:35.320you know a definite image of what that might be because then our mind just goes to you know
00:50:41.280ridiculous things very seldom have i had the experience in my life where i just man up and
00:50:47.200do something i don't want to do that i don't feel better on the other side of it and i've
00:50:51.280used this analogy before but i think it's like puking you you can spend a whole day trying to
00:51:01.040hold it back and not people can sit there and breathe and okay i'm gonna be really still and
00:51:06.800And I'm going to you can battle that for a whole day or you can just go puke and get over puke and rally and go on to the next thing.
00:51:14.860And it's one of those reflexes that I think we all struggle with.
00:51:19.620And, you know, the things that you imagine the worse on or psych yourself out of doing are probably really different than the things that I do in my head, probably different than things Alan does.
00:51:32.980but we all have those things getting on the other side of them is really important and the other
00:51:37.860thing i was going to say is by doing things that are uncomfortable and putting yourself
00:51:45.060in spots that are outside of your comfort zone you build a certain amount of self-confidence
00:51:49.560and just like alan was mentioning people smell that on you they smell good intention
00:51:54.880it's one of the reasons that you know dogs are good judge as a character
00:52:00.060is they can kind of read a lot of subtle things that we aren't used to looking for when we're
00:52:07.640analyzing speech. And they can tell, you know, is this guy a decent guy or not? That dog doesn't
00:52:12.520speak English, but he can kind of tell if something's a threat, if, you know, you can
00:52:18.320pick up on those things. People do that with self-confidence too. If you go in and you try
00:52:22.640something and you have some self-confidence and you're able to roll with it, even if it doesn't
00:52:26.380get perfect you will go a long way the more you are taking it till you make it is definitely a
00:52:33.440real thing in that sort of in that scenario and dress for the job you want not the job you have
00:52:39.120right you know doing those things to project who you want to be even if you're not quite there yet
00:52:47.040that will eventually get you there get you along a long ways towards it so and again it's really
00:52:55.540easy to twist that. There's ways to do that dishonestly, and then there's ways to do it
00:52:59.840aspirational. And the dishonest peels, you know, people can sense that too. You know, the guy who
00:53:07.660is full of hubris and self-importance, you know, and he's doing the, he can say pretty much the
00:53:14.020same thing and pretty much the same way, but you can, you can just, you know, you can just smell
00:53:18.960insurance salesmen all over him. We have a way of smelling authenticity. So I'll tell you this,
00:53:23.460And this may speak to a number of things, but so I revert to bouncing stories every now and again.
00:53:31.460And this isn't as fun of a one, but it's something interesting, especially if you work at a club that's really high volume of the amount of IDs you look through.
00:53:42.980You always, you know, wonder and you can try to perfect the things you think you look for on the IDs and all this stuff.
00:53:50.300But when we'd have a little bit of a slow night when I was running security, I would go out every now and again with a handful of confiscated, confiscated IDs.
00:53:59.080I would randomly hand them to people in the line and tell those people to test my security and see if they catch them.
00:54:06.480My security failed 100 percent of the time.
00:54:12.900Well, and here's what it is, which is stupid.
00:54:16.700We have a way of sensing when somebody's up to no good.
00:54:20.300And the first thing you pick up on, because that's when I say they failed 100 percent of the tests, each of them would pocket, you know, a handful of IDs every night.
00:54:29.240They would stop underage people all the time. But the way you're doing it, it's not by data.
00:54:36.420That's how you confirm it. The way you do it is something tingles in your in your medulla oblongata and you're like, OK, something's something's not right.
00:54:44.640Now, let me look closer. As long as somebody is going in, they're confident they're not doing anything wrong.
00:54:50.300it doesn't trigger that. And that's, you know, that's a magic that I don't think we harness
00:54:56.220enough for all kinds of things. If you're confident in what you're doing, stuff just
00:55:02.200tends to work out. If you're acting shady and acting suspicious and, you know, you reek like
00:55:09.640there's something you should be worried about, then you draw suspicion from everyone around you
00:55:13.540and it makes everything in life harder. So do the hard things, rise to the challenges
00:55:18.860and develop confidence in yourself that will take you so far and it'll develop a thicker skin on
00:55:26.280you too um you know because you'll meet those failures you'll fail some sometimes you you know
00:55:32.820you you rough yourself up but but you know sun comes up the next day um you still have a delicious
00:55:42.580meal at night i mean you can you can mess up pretty bad and still be pretty okay so one of
00:55:49.060the best things ever happened to me was getting punched in the face that's that's the thing is if
00:55:54.900you don't know what it's like and you're scared of it i got punched in the face really hard by a
00:56:01.620giant samoan man and i was able to get back up and it was all right and i lived and i was able to go
00:56:09.380One, being able to recover and realize it's not so bad is a very liberating experience.
00:56:20.800You know, don't intentionally lose so you get hit.
00:56:25.060You learn a lot more from the times you get knocked down and the times you sail through.
00:56:30.660So by not getting in the game, you lose the opportunities to win and you also lose the opportunities to learn.
00:56:39.380So, do you have more for us at this juncture on time management?
00:57:30.820You're doing one thing and then one thing and then one thing and then another thing.
00:57:35.300And it just, and you might think you're being more productive, but you're almost certainly being less productive.
00:57:42.820And the other thing that was not on any of the lists that I found, but to me ties in with that idea of not multitasking is, again, I know I'm going to draw a position here, but it's to learn to operate in silence.
00:58:01.820like even back like background music because i've because i've gotten myself now in this
00:58:09.480mindset where i like to work in the quiet and um and music has its place like i know a lot of guys
00:58:19.460like to lift um with music or you know work out with music um but for me if you're do if you're
00:58:28.420working if you if you have a task that you are trying to accomplish i'm not talking about the
00:58:36.020simple simple stuff that you can do while you're of course i've listened to books instead of music
00:58:40.900but the but you know if you're cleaning the house or those sorts of things but if you got you if you
00:58:46.980have something that you really need to focus on if you the fewer distractions you have out there
00:58:53.220and so that you're only doing that one thing that, um, you know, that I think will help you
00:58:59.180get through that one hard thing. I remember working with a guy and I thought it was the
00:59:04.220oddest thing at the time, but his desk was always completely clear and, you know, he would get one
00:59:11.440piece of paper, whatever he was working on, he had that one thing on his desk and he would do it
00:59:18.440and then he'd put that away and get the next thing.
00:59:21.820My desk is a little more chaotic than that
00:59:23.660because I have projects in various stages of completion,
00:59:27.320but I've come to sort of admire the single-binded focus
00:59:32.680that the guy was able to bring to a multi-person office
00:59:43.180and he would just sit and work his thing.
00:59:46.020And, you know, so I now understand why he did it. And I know that comes out of that single hand, single handling rule that with mails, I know for, for us now it's email, you know, the, the goal always is to get this correspondence, reply to it, and, and then it's behind you.
01:00:08.380And, you know, there are some few that you have to be a little more circumspect about and take a little more considered response.
01:00:16.740But most of the stuff that we do, we can, it's just easier to get it done than to stew on it.
01:00:24.060Well, I think some of that's really well said.
01:00:26.500The other thing that's like diet and exercise, there's a lot of right ways to do it.
01:09:09.440So at roomstone.org where I mentioned going earlier, there's a calendar there and you can look at the calendar and see just how just how many small FA gatherings happen every single week and just how broad the geographic scope of where those are at are.
01:09:33.560i think a lot of people would be very surprised that we may have stuff occurring relatively close
01:09:38.280to them and we'd love you guys to attend those and be part of things and get out there and
01:09:43.080fellowship with your folk so absolutely please check out that calendar and it's a great thing
01:09:49.720to come to a hoff and i'm you know i even though i grouse about having to do food pantry i know it
01:09:56.360It is a rare privilege to be able to be an hour and a half from Newark's temple.
01:10:04.780And so that is a great and wonderful thing that we have done and are doing.
01:10:12.480But that does not take away from a few guys in Missouri or Kentucky getting together and honoring the gods
01:10:21.940and building bonds of friendship and frith between each other in a less formal way.
01:10:32.980That is absolutely part of getting this thing done.
01:10:37.560I was going to say, not only is it part of it, that's an essential step to getting off.
01:10:43.300A lot of people come in, I want to say midstream, but not really.
01:10:48.380they come in after so much has been established and they see that and they don't realize all of
01:10:54.060the effort that's gone in to make it happen a lot of people it doesn't occur to them that in order
01:11:00.460to have a hof somewhere what needs to happen is first some folks in that area need to join
01:11:06.700and they need to join they need to start getting together with one another ideally one of them or
01:11:11.740somebody close to them, somebody in that small seed group steps up and says, hey, I'd like to
01:11:18.820be a folk builder and work towards making it happen. And that's how stuff grows, develops,
01:11:25.440and becomes an area that we look very seriously at putting the Hoff in. And that takes consistency
01:11:31.900and it takes dedication and it takes years. But that's how all of our previous Hoffs have happened.
01:11:38.120That's how our future hops will happen. And, you know, again, the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The second best time is today. Right.
01:11:48.660And I'll say this, too, in another shameless plug for our, your careful stewardship here, you know, is there are certainly a model out there that has been exemplified by.
01:12:05.020I don't know, the worst capitalist element, if that's the way you want to say it,
01:12:14.060you know, of borrowing lots and lots of money and, you know, growing too fast. And, you know,
01:12:21.180theoretically, we could do that and spread ourselves too thin. But we are being careful
01:12:27.980and growing judiciously in order to keep from doing what so many young enterprises do and
01:12:35.600collapsing of our own weight. Yeah, I appreciate you mentioning that because it's very important
01:12:44.260and we want to secure not only that we have the money to get a HOF. For a long time,
01:12:49.960raising enough funds to to get a hof seemed an insurmountable goal we've got that part figured
01:12:59.580out that's not the hard part the hard part is doing that in a way that we can make sure that
01:13:06.600we're able to maintain it to care for it and to have it in perpetuity once we dedicate a hof to
01:13:14.280one of our gods, we are obliged to be good stewards of it and to care for it. We don't want to give
01:13:21.660one of our gods a hof, their first hof in, you know, a thousand years and then have to sell it
01:13:29.920off or get rid of it or something because we didn't do our job fiscally and planning for it and in our
01:13:36.520commitment level of taking care of it. We never want to do that. So it takes a little bit longer
01:13:42.780than perhaps it could but you know the fastest way is not always the best way naysayers notwithstanding
01:13:56.460i would be happy to hear how they're able to acquire their hoffs and conduct the finances of
01:14:03.020their of their hoffs they couldn't conduct the finances of the morning shift at the mcdonald's
01:14:08.620and thus the inside joke that they don't have hoffs so let's get to a couple of questions here
01:14:17.520we got some some folks asking stuff uh early on in the next one real quick though i actually did
01:14:23.960want to mention to tyler your initial uh the initial person who asked the question we are
01:14:30.040actually currently planning a hike moot outside of louisville in kentucky for may reach out to
01:14:38.500folk builder heather young or get you heather young my apologies uh h young.org uh we got a
01:14:46.500member out there who wanted to get together with some folks so we're doing it and to anybody else
01:14:51.460as we said if you want to do something if there's not something on the calendar in your area reach
01:14:56.500out to us we'll get something going absolutely and thank you for interjecting on that uh nick
01:15:02.580is probably again kentucky is in an interesting spot because we've got activity on kind of all
01:15:09.620sides of it so if you're in the very center of kentucky you're probably the farthest you are
01:15:14.580from afa activity but you're still not but a couple hours right and if you find yourself on
01:15:19.460the edges of kentucky chances are we've got some really cool things for you um if you're on that
01:15:24.180southern edge i've talked about sigerheim a number of times on here nick is the folk builder for that
01:15:29.540area he is the first to answer the call and pack up and move out there and and work towards making
01:15:36.420that happen and establishing the beachhead there so he is eager to meet with you and do things with
01:15:41.700you if you find yourself in that part of the world again lots of good things and i hope that you reach
01:15:46.820out tyler so question i was going to get to was asked early in the show uh what is your opinion
01:15:53.700and i'll let alan hit this first what is your opinion on the new age saying
01:15:59.540spiritual but not religious do you think religion has become a dirty word because of abrahamic
01:16:05.780religions i wouldn't say that it's it's certainly become tainted or associated with the idea
01:16:17.620of the Abrahamic religions, and for so many people in the West,
01:16:23.560you know, their only association becomes a lot more,
01:16:29.480because we do like to think in terms of binomial choices, right?
01:16:34.400You're either a Christian, Jew, Islam, or you are an atheist.
01:16:42.600So it's, and the shades of gray in between in there are really the shades of the rainbow that are in the, you know, that are in our faith and the other dharmic faiths to use Acharya G's word.
01:17:01.140those are um so much more varied than than the mainstream gives us gives them credit for
01:17:14.100and i think that we are in this point in in the development of civilization where those people
01:17:24.280are just sort of unmoored you know they've fallen out of faith with the you know the christian
01:17:32.360ideology for all the reasons that we could talk about but they haven't found their way to
01:17:38.840um to their own natural organic faith um and so and frankly i think that's what that means when
01:17:49.640they say spiritual but not religious you know that they have this they have that underlying
01:17:56.600yearning um for something more but they don't really know how to find it um
01:18:05.240so they think of themselves as spiritual but they haven't found the right religion then that would
01:18:10.440be how like if i was having that conversation with them that's what i'd tell them you know the
01:18:15.080You know, you just have to find the right religion because spirituality without religion is like an analogy without a conclusion.
01:18:31.200You know, I can't think of the right exact parallel there, but if you're a spiritual person, you should find a religion because just having some vague thought like the earth is groovy and I love people, you know, that's just not enough to satisfy that hunger, it seems to me.
01:18:57.200so that is a that is a generous middle ground that you took on that alan and i think that
01:19:06.400i was gonna say there's two instances of people who would say something like that
01:19:13.080and i will allow for three now so alan's position and i think i think there was a time
01:19:21.660certainly in like the 60s and 70s in this country my uncle was kind of that guy that there was
01:19:30.240a real break from traditional quote-unquote American religions and a search for spiritual
01:19:39.660meaning somewhere else and I think that led a lot of people to a lot of diverse places I think that
01:19:47.680led people to the far east be it hinduism or buddhism or another ism of of asia i think
01:19:57.460that it also led a lot of people to pursue native american fetishism um again i don't think always
01:20:07.280wrong-headedly but with an idea okay we know this thing isn't right so we need to find what is and
01:20:14.560we're not aware of our options. We don't know what that is. And I think that that's a legitimate
01:20:20.740thing is people genuinely don't know what to call it, but they know it's not the things that
01:20:28.840they're used to being called religion. I think there's another group of people that are very
01:20:35.180much to your question that have been traumatized by Abrahamic faiths. And again, it's probably
01:20:43.360different different parts of the world but i think that in the united states people who are traumatized
01:20:47.680by their experience in the christian church um to where they become very disillusioned perhaps
01:20:54.720disgusted and in some cases perhaps literally abused and so they tend to throw the baby out
01:21:04.320with the bath water and anything that says religion or quote-unquote organized religion
01:21:10.480you know is anathema to to them or at least they think it is because of the really bad experiences
01:21:17.180they've had in the past and we often define the words there it's funny because in that instance
01:21:24.420it's so much about the nomenclature and not about the substance of a thing it's if they recognize a
01:21:31.200term from their christian upbringing it immediately triggers them not to use the word
01:21:37.720as lightly as some do these days, but it has a lot of bad associations for them. And I think
01:21:44.160those people do that, that you just said, but I think what's more and more common that we see
01:21:49.460very, very often is people that want to have the benefit of religion without the commitment
01:21:57.980that don't want anybody to tell them what to do, but still want to cling to a higher power.
01:22:05.900so I'm spiritual I'm not religious so I can kind of do whatever I want and make up whatever mental
01:22:12.460gymnastics and I've known a lot of people that way and you see people like that of all different
01:22:17.700stripes you see that with you know the the goth chicks you see that with various dreadlock
01:22:26.760Indian restaurant barefoot sitar playing guys um you see that with a whole variety of well-meaning
01:22:35.640people in between you see that with the you know the the crystal wine moms i say that as i'm
01:22:43.160enjoying my vino here but a lot of different people fall into that category some more well
01:22:50.040meaning than others but a lot of the time it really is about a deep distrust for wanting to
01:22:55.320be part of something because as soon as you sign on and you're part of a structure then you're
01:23:01.160accountable you're accountable to others you're accountable to a structured conception of god or
01:23:08.280gods you all of a sudden establish a standard that you have to live up to and be judged by
01:23:17.000and that's really scary to a lot of people and i think that's what you see a lot
01:23:23.480that's one reason that i try to shy away from that as much as i can i know that um when i became
01:23:29.640heavily involved in also true you know using words like religion or proselytizing or church
01:23:38.200or those things were very off-putting to a lot of people and i'm sure they still are
01:23:43.720but i've really leaned into those heavily because that's what we're doing in a lot of ways and i
01:23:49.960don't think that we live up to our value of truth to pretend it's something other than that i think
01:23:55.800to face the concepts and realize that we were a pious and religious people
01:24:02.840before the coming of, you know, Middle Eastern Christianity to Europe.
01:24:08.200And it's our birthright and what we ought to do to be part of an ordered and structured religiosity.
01:24:15.020Our gods are the gods of order, not the gods of chaos.
01:24:18.440So religion is absolutely appropriate, but it scares a lot of people for a variety of reasons.
01:24:23.560And, you know, again, like one of the several things that come to mind while you're talking about that, you know, what these, I can't remember who it was where I first read about it.
01:24:41.900They talk about the New Age buffet, you know, where you can go do a little bit of Indian religion and then do some Buddhism and, you know, throw in some crystal healing and do all of that.
01:24:54.660But what they don't understand, refuse to understand, is that Hinduism, you know, is at heart is a deeply religious, is a deeply, it's not a spiritual practice.
01:25:10.840It's a religion with millions of gods.
01:25:14.640um buddhism the and it's actually one of the things that they were mocking in this context
01:25:21.120you know the kind of buddhism that caught on in the united states is zen buddhism which is
01:25:27.060essentially there's a long explanation about whether buddhism even believes in god or in
01:25:33.940zen whether whether there's a god of in zen or not but the but every other place where buddhism
01:25:42.640is practiced is practiced in a deeply integrated way with hundreds and hundreds of of local gods
01:25:49.920so the um so to you know so some north american to pick up you know just a little bit of the
01:25:59.440the thing out of the out of the buffet and think that they are practicing buddhism or
01:26:23.840i don't want to say nature based practice but just you know to um they i guess because they
01:26:30.320had a hundred year head start on us um you know they're they seem to be out there a little bit
01:26:35.360more but one of the books that years and years ago helped me define my practice of also true
01:26:43.920um talked about that so many people who come to paganism just look at whatever christianity
01:26:51.680is and try to do the opposite um and they've literally thrown the baby out with the bath water
01:26:58.640because because religion organized religion christian religion for all of its esoteric
01:27:09.440problems which we could spend a long time dissecting the things that it does well and
01:27:14.000should do and that we are trying to do is to establish community and to be faithful to each
01:27:20.560other and to be, um, you know, and to, and to build bonds of, uh, stewardship and camaraderie
01:27:28.400and brotherhood and all that sort of thing, you know, and a lot of that's been lost and it's not
01:27:35.620all religion's fault. It's, you know, it's our civilization is too mobile. Um, we're too atomized.
01:27:43.420blah blah blah you've heard this lecture before no one of the things that's
01:27:54.980nice on here is we get to contextualize our uh tendency to be old men repeating stories or
01:28:03.960saying the same thing over and over again is we got a different audience all the time
01:28:07.700we have a core audience we have a lot of people that you know every week we've got an audience
01:28:11.380this is the first time they've heard so uh appreciate the grace that that provides a little
01:28:17.220bit uh some of the people over in the chat are also you know recognizing that's one of the things
01:28:23.620when hinduism and buddhism have been exported to north america very often it is you know a lightly
01:28:34.740an exotic spice to put on whatever your mundane existence is and it's very far from
01:28:42.000the very serious very pious actual practice of some of these things that are extremely organized
01:28:48.060extremely disciplined very often involve deification and absolute obedience to uh to
01:28:58.240to whoever your guru is, to whoever the head of your school or your practice is in Buddhism.
01:29:08.080It is much more strict than I think the, I don't know, Southern Baptist Christianity that they're emerging from is in practice in its true sense.
01:29:20.220But oftentimes I think there is a convenience in not looking too deep at it.
01:29:27.100you know, pick something that looks fun and pretend. And I, so I, okay. As a, as a little
01:29:32.520aside, I had a friend like this. He wanted, he wanted something spiritual in his life,
01:29:42.260but he didn't want to actually have any rules or anything that governed his code of conduct.
01:29:47.340So I think he's done what a lot of Americans have done. And he created in his mind, like a pretend
01:29:53.680buddy jesus that's just cool with everything jesus understands me jesus is jesus is my homie
01:30:01.220like jesus gets it never having read anything about jesus never having read the bible never
01:30:08.340having read any of the gospel accounts he just made up a fictional jesus that
01:30:13.840rubber stamps everything he does is being okay and making him feel better at night
01:30:18.880and not only do i think it's really wrong-headed and ultimately unfulfilling because he knows it's
01:30:25.900not true but it's also grossly disrespectful to jesus and the millions of followers that
01:30:33.400actually believe in that um and that's one of the i don't think i emphasize this enough when
01:30:39.420people ask when i came to ouster true one of the things was a genuine i don't know if this jehovah
01:30:45.900exists or doesn't. But if he does, I'm not going to be insincere and disrespectful in my worship.
01:30:52.520I don't believe in these things. And I believe that he is bad and what he wants us to do is bad
01:31:01.200and ignoble. And so I'm going to be upfront and noble in my expression of parting ways with that.
01:31:10.540And I think that facing truth is something that it's uncomfortable for a lot of folks,
01:31:15.160especially when it involves taking a hard look at your, you know, deeply held spiritual values.
01:31:21.760Mary Mitchell asks, when one uses a credit card, they are promising to pay back the debt as this
01:31:28.800is an oath. However, how does Ausatrub deal with the interest in addition to the original amount
01:31:34.800owed? Alan, what are your thoughts? Well, I don't think using a credit card rises to the level of
01:31:43.520an oath. I do, I mean, I understand that it is a contract. I mean, so in the broadest possible
01:31:53.640scope of the word oath, it is, you know, you are making a promise to pay in accord with the terms
01:31:59.300of the contract. And the contract that you sign with the credit card company says, I will pay
01:32:06.440this debt in full at the end of the month. And if I don't pay it in full at the end of the month,
01:32:12.000then you, credit card company, will charge interest on that amount that remains unpaid.
01:32:20.260And so that interest is certainly a component of the debt that you have created with that credit card company,
01:32:31.100Number one, don't use credit cards except as a billing convenience.
01:32:36.480Pay your credit cards off at the end of the month, every month in full.
01:32:39.640If you're using your credit cards to float living expenses, you've got to live lower on the hog until you get all that debt paid off.
01:32:50.120Secondly, I conceptually, like in my original iteration as an attorney, I practiced creditor bankruptcy law.
01:33:05.200I thought I was going to go in there and single-handedly make all these deadbeat debtors pay the bills that they rightfully owed.
01:33:12.320I have evolved in a lot of ways since that day, mainly to know that that sort of interest-based banking operates to the spiritual detriment of our people.
01:33:40.160um i have no qualms at all um in case you didn't hear me the first six times i said it in this show
01:33:50.820i practice bankruptcy law i file bankruptcies for people i have helped people file bankruptcies on
01:33:56.880their own um these banks will steal you blind and come back for more um and you know but that's how
01:34:07.240they make money. I have very strong spiritual reservations about doing that. That's why I don't
01:34:14.660practice that side of the law anymore. So all that being said, now to finally answer the question,
01:34:23.720I don't think that Asatru as a religion has anything specific to say about should you pay
01:34:31.640the interest on your credit card debt or not. Should you honor your obligations? Absolutely.
01:34:36.580To the maximum extent possible, you know, that doesn't involve putting you or your family into penury.
01:34:47.320So, yes, pay your bills, live frugally, and you will sleep better at night.
01:34:57.000and yeah what and if any of the big banks are listening go pal sand that's so
01:35:09.100i think and i get it there's a degree of ambiguity um if you borrow from a fellow
01:35:21.740outsider or if you borrow from anybody that you know on a handshake and you promise to pay them
01:35:26.420certain amount of interest do right by your word on that absolutely we live in a system to where
01:35:32.500you are often coerced into really unfavorable situations due to people that do not have your
01:35:45.300best interests at heart don't be a dirt bag you should pay your obligations that's fine as a
01:35:51.380a general rule. But there are a lot of people who take advantage of the way the system is set up
01:35:58.560to put you in a perpetual state of indentured servitude. And that's to be avoided if possible.
01:36:07.900And especially where the law allows for the possibility of casting that yoke off,
01:36:13.140that's a really good thing to do. And the people, the lending institutions of credit cards
01:36:21.600function under that system, are in league with that system, that system works to their benefit
01:36:26.300every day. We should be very wise to trying to make the best use of the system provided for us
01:36:33.980to, you know, win the game. There's a lot of rules that successful people do that
01:36:41.320we feel uncomfortable with, but we didn't make the rules of the game. We have the hand that we're
01:36:47.760dealt. Figuring out the way to do those things judiciously is an advisable thing. And I think
01:36:54.560that goes with accepting, you know, government handouts or whatever else. It comes out of your
01:37:00.760tax money that is involuntarily taken from you. It's going to go to someone. I think you are the
01:37:09.260most judicious in using that to the benefit of yourself or your folk, as opposed to, you know,
01:37:15.920abdicating your entitlement to any of that and having it go somewhere else. That's something
01:37:21.220to keep in mind. We're not making the rules. When you're in a spot to vote or contribute to
01:37:28.900legislation to make the rules, then yeah, by all means, try to do that in a way that's in keeping
01:37:34.700with our values. But once the rules have been laid out, you got to play to win too.
01:37:41.320And I will say again, if you are struggling to pay your bills, and I don't mean like any
01:37:48.640individual of you, but people who are struggling to pay their bills, if you've got more than
01:37:53.380$10,000 of credit card debt, email me through runestone.org. I will spend a couple of minutes
01:38:01.320with you giving you the thumbnail evaluation and because bankruptcy is like any other business
01:38:08.700decision it can help you it can hurt you um but you know in many situations it's worth thinking
01:38:16.520about and it's also in many situations worth considering just stop and paying your bills
01:38:22.220you know for some people um uh some people are judgment proof if you don't have anything you
01:38:28.000don't have any income that they can attach and you don't have any property they can attach
01:38:31.960let them call you you know you can talk to randy from india and entertain him and give yourself
01:38:42.240something to do but you know don't don't break your own back and and certainly don't feel guilt
01:38:49.200or shame about not being able to um meet your obligations these crooks because i don't
01:38:56.880I no longer have any love for that system
01:39:06.960that games us more than we game them, that's for sure.
01:50:41.960So, guys, next week we have a very special episode.
01:50:46.800On those months that fall with five Wednesdays, we get special treat of having a fifth of Brandy.
01:50:55.680So the fifth Wednesday of months with those many Wednesdays in them, have Witten Brandy Fassett hosting a show.
01:51:07.100And usually she'll bring on an assortment of Githjord to impart their wisdom to you guys and to talk about our true topics through a female perspective.
01:51:21.880So I invite you guys to take part in that and join her with your enthusiastic questions and eager listening and participation.