00:00:34.040There's a lot of little Easter eggs in there.
00:00:37.980And in reality, they came about kind of as the evolution of the mural.
00:00:45.020I mean, are we going to go into the murals?
00:00:48.020Because, I mean, I know there's questions coming in.
00:00:49.760So separate here, because we also have another question coming up in the line about your experiences painting the mural. So separate your content questions from your experience of painting it questions, if you would.
00:01:08.760Okay. Yeah, well, the inception of the mural really did come about through, it was a reaction. There were things going on, and it led to specifics of the mural and the way it was going to be presented.
00:01:30.380One of the first things was coming to the Hof to be, I like to joke and say, the Emir body.
00:01:42.280It wasn't quite shaped to what we were going to bring, but it was there, and we walked in, and we saw this alcove, and immediately just struck me as, you know, that's where he needs to be.0.78
00:01:57.840That's where he wants to to stand over his house. And at the time, to be to be completely honest, I didn't know where we were going to go with this.
00:02:05.260I didn't know what what type of Godsteads we were going to be working with.
00:02:09.380I didn't know if we were going to do statuary. I didn't know if we were going to do a painting.
00:02:13.400If we were going to do other sort of imagery and things like that, God pulls and there was all sorts of stuff on the on the list.
00:02:21.000But when I walked in there and I saw that archway, I just really knew if this is the way it's going to evolve, he needs to be there because that is where he wants to be.
00:02:36.900I'm not saying – I just had an overwhelming feeling of that moment where I was just like this is – everything just fills into this spot.
00:02:47.440And I could see an image there in my mind of what I what I would want is just the correlation of other things that needed to be to evolve from it.
00:02:58.660So naturally, I wanted to show a combination of things.
00:03:07.260Really, I wanted to show upper, lower.
00:03:11.080I wanted to show force, will, power, and dynamicism, attacking kind of an otherworldly alienism.
00:03:19.740And then I wanted to also bring in the elements of cowardice in which when the string is being cut from Jormungandr, this moment, it could be read as like – if people read the story and thought of this as like a moment of failure, really the failure and onus falls on cowardice.
00:03:43.300And so the events that were going on around that time were really pervading about action and about standing up for your beliefs and about attainment.
00:03:58.740This was the first Hoff outside of Odin's Hoff that was going to breach the threshold.
00:04:05.880Let me interrupt for just a sec because I think this is background that's going to be useful to the rest of the story.
00:04:11.500i'm going to throw up the other question as well and we can combine these two with just telling
00:04:16.380the whole tale of the mural so the next question is from filthy heathen svan could you talk a bit
00:04:22.460about your experience painting the thorshof mural so about all of these things and to set them to
00:04:28.540the backdrop um so many of these things are so big that it's hard when we get a really specific
00:04:41.420a question to winnow it down to what's what's relating to it and what's not because everything
00:04:47.580links to everything else so excuse me if i take a pause on that sometimes so i was talking to
00:04:53.820in some kind of a context it was talking to uh sheila mcdallin uh a little while back
00:05:00.300and she mentioned that uh you know her and steve weren't weren't exactly sure where this all would
00:05:06.140go and how this would all develop um it was such a long struggle to get our first hoff that um you
00:05:15.340know nobody really knew what that was going to be like if that's the only hoff we're going to have
00:05:19.100and everything's just going to be about that or you know nobody knew for sure there was going to
00:05:24.700be other hoffs or that that's the way we were going to go or what we were going to do um when
00:05:29.420i when i became alas harry gothi it was very important to me to build temples to to each of
00:05:35.900these these gods of ours and uh that was a really important thing for me um odin's hof it was
00:05:45.420originally called uh new grange hall and it was kind of a generic hof to to the icer and a assembly
00:05:53.100hall for for the afa and at that time again we didn't know that we were going to have all these
00:05:57.980other Hoffs when we had to change the name of of the Hoff and I dedicated that Hoff and this was
00:06:06.860we we had to do the name change of the Hoff after I uh became Alsheria Gothi and at that point it was
00:06:11.980very important with that opportunity to me to dedicate that Hoff specifically to Odin and to
00:06:18.700make that the first of many Hoffs this was a um when we talk about titling our Hoffs
00:06:24.460Thor's Hoff is Thor's Hoff, the second Hoff of the Ausatru Folk Assembly, because we knew that we were going to continue this process.0.53
00:06:34.460Even before that, when we made the sign for Odin's Hoff, it's Odin's Hoff, the first Hoff of the Ausatru Folk Assembly, putting it out there that we plan to have many more Hoffs.
00:06:47.460and the actually the idea of putting that title at the bottom the subtitle the first
00:06:52.580off of the austral folk assembly was our law speaker alan turnage's idea um but yeah when we
00:07:00.580got so before this uh we would always have an event and this event has become the thorshoff
00:07:08.100event but we would have ostara in the south was that was a national event a number of years
00:07:12.740previous to this and we'd go to this and every time the people um people in first anyone who
00:07:22.260was at the event but very specifically folks who were in our in the carolinas would ask you know
00:07:29.300how do we how do we get a hof over on the east coast how do we get a hof near us and we talked
00:07:34.820about that and man they they're like man we really one day what what can we do we'll do anything to
00:07:40.180get a hof near us this is the most important thing how do we get a hof and they were so excited about
00:07:44.500it and uh eventually you know when we were when we were making this decision and we found the
00:07:52.580location of you know well okay when we were scouting the location for thor's hof and uh
00:07:59.620we decided on looking in the south um we looked at our membership base and where we had leadership
00:08:07.380and we had a very um very active membership at that time in the carolinas and a couple1.00
00:08:12.180of hindrids who were were very active and man they they wanted this off so bad and they talked0.98
00:08:19.540such a big game about how much we need to do this we need to make this happen and i think everybody1.00
00:08:24.180is very comfortable with dreams as long as those dreams are out of reach it's fun to talk about
00:08:31.780them when there's when there's no consequence and there's literally no skin in the game it's
00:08:36.260it's a fun idea so they put this out there and they asked me to get them a hoff and okay cool
00:08:44.260so uh the leader of one of these kindreds and a folk builder at the time and somebody who was
00:08:51.780in our uh gothar program at the time you know this this hoff was going to be in in his state
00:08:59.140and close to him and whatever and i asked you know before we even got it like hey i want to make sure
00:09:05.940that you guys have this and this is something you're going to do and you're going to be able
00:09:08.980to take care of and you're comfortable with this reality is different than theory so are you good
00:09:14.740oh yeah absolutely i'm good 100 i'm behind it 100 i'll this will be great okay and then again
00:09:23.380are you sure nope i'm sure 100 go forward we'll do it so we got in contract got the money down
00:09:30.820got ready to get it and once reality hit once reality hit like that lightning bolt of four
00:09:38.900um all of a sudden fear overtook people in the area and this gentleman in within i think a
00:09:51.780succession of three or four days quit the gothar program quit being a folk builder and quit the
00:09:59.620the AFA in general, along with his whole kindred, because they were terrified of the attention
00:10:04.840that Thor's Hoff would bring to them. And he told me like, you know, hey, I don't know about this.
00:10:10.300This is right down the road from where I work and where I live. And what are we going to do?
00:10:17.080And this was after he gave his word on several occasions. But reality is much harder when
00:10:24.300there's consequence, when there's weight. So we basically had to rebuild the entire state of
00:10:31.120North Carolina and much of the state of South Carolina. Most of Thorshoff was saved and taken
00:10:37.640care of and nursed there for that beginning period by people from Virginia, which is quite a
00:10:47.280ways away if you're driving. And South Carolina. Stuff happened. Some of our South Carolina folks,
00:10:52.400but uh north carolina and it's come back quite a bit we're more successful there now than we ever
00:10:57.980have been but this initial group they let fear overtake them and the thor's fishing trip where
00:11:07.460he tries to to pull in the world the world serpent it's all fun and games until all of a sudden that
00:11:14.880serpent bites. And then the giant that was with him was overtaken by fear. And, you know, Thor
00:11:22.900has victory in his grasp. He's got Jormungandr on the line and pulling him in. And the terror of the
00:11:30.680reality of that was too much. And that giant cut the line and couldn't handle it. And I think this
00:11:38.200piggybacks really well on our discussion we had last week about courage. Talking about a
00:11:46.220theoretical that's distant in the future that you're not facing is very, very easy. But staring
00:11:52.860Jormungandr in the face on the other end of this hook, reality is terrifying. And that's when you
00:12:02.740see who's who has that courage within themselves and who just talks a big game and it's a it's a
00:12:13.780it's a tragic thing and it's a beautiful thing depending on which way it cuts
00:12:18.580and it often cuts both ways and it cuts differently on on people that you would expect much out of
00:12:24.660let you down on it and people who you expect little out of blow you away with their character
00:12:31.560So those thoughts were a lot of the things permeating the ether at that time.
00:12:37.120Another thing to consider is, and Svan was bringing this up a little bit, and I'm not trying to take the air out of your story, Svan.
00:12:51.540Odenshof was our first Hof, but as far as a mural and really making the Hof focused on the worship of a god,
00:13:00.900And this was that big first step. And it was scary because I tell you what, I didn't know what kind of art Svon could do. I saw some sketches, but I didn't know. So we're going to let this guy throw some paint on it and see what happens.
00:13:15.340um get the primer ready i was okay so we didn't know how to do and secondly i was obnoxious and
00:13:24.660like bugging him he kept sending me pictures of every stage of the process i'm really fortunate
00:13:29.880in that every time we do a mural i harass spawn and he sends me all these different stages of
00:13:35.340watching it develop and i that's one of the most special things as i'll hear your gothic perk i
00:13:40.900suppose it's really neat watching those come come together but spawn out did himself on it and i'll
00:13:48.660leave it with this and then it's then it's fun's turn i promise um i
00:13:59.060so i went out there for the dedication and
00:14:05.540again i saw this mural develop i saw pictures of it before anybody else did
00:14:10.900When you walk into that vey, there's not good enough words to describe the power of that first sight of Thor and how it hits you.
00:14:25.660And it hits you different than any of these other murals.
00:20:13.640I believe that in a way that I can't explain without sounding kind of kooky,
00:20:18.940but I really felt like we were in a mythos of our development as a church
00:20:24.780because there were so many factors going on.
00:20:27.400So the choice of Hynnsfydas, the fishing trip, where he cuts the line,
00:20:36.340became the focal point and then from there the idea was how to position it how to do it and what
00:20:43.200color schemes what were we going to do um you know the art of the afa is not art of uh you know like
00:20:51.260it doesn't look like a black metal album that that was not something that and i think the
00:20:56.660house here and i were talking about that like we want colors brightness life happiness we want to
00:21:02.760see the boldness of colors that our ancestors wore when they went to the elthing or or or you know
00:21:09.300when you go to nordic uh towns now and you see the the houses are brightly colored and and all
00:21:14.980that stuff that that um that spirit that can't be broken not even by the land it's just happy and
00:21:21.600filled with life and and so we started to form we had the story that we wanted to do and we had kind
00:21:28.660of an idea of the dimensions of what we were going to do and then we started talking about
00:21:33.040coloring and things like that and then there was this moment where the elsewhere ago the
00:21:37.420kind of was like all right get get to getting it and uh i i had never painted a mural before
00:21:44.020so like i've i've only done mediums of very small pictures so the first thing we started doing
00:21:50.160i just had the notion or the idea of putting up painter's tape and basically doing the whole
00:21:56.360um uh image on with painter's tape and pencil to get an idea of scope to make sure that things
00:22:05.980didn't look too uh odd or out of place and when i was sending these tape pictures i i know it's
00:22:14.200like it just looks like scraps of tape all over the place and uh sketches and and little scratches
00:22:20.800all over the wall um and you know i knew the scope of it wasn't going to be caught but
00:22:27.600i was here ago he was working with me he's telling me what he wanted he wanted to see
00:22:31.200some of the elements of this he wanted to see the size he wanted to have gravitas and power
00:22:36.160and that's where the development of the sonnenrod over the head really started to formulate and so
00:22:42.720through this back and forth via calls and texts and i think you know because i can't be on the
00:22:48.160phone while i'm doing it there's these moments where i think like how about this and i'd show
00:22:53.360a picture and he no the eyes are they gotta look like this and i'm like okay i'll try it so i you
00:23:00.640know i go in and i do it how about this nah and then we would angle it and i mean thankfully
00:23:07.760you you didn't really it was very constructive criticism it was never about just tweaking it
00:23:13.760out of, I think, strictly just a desire of something you wanted. You had constructive
00:23:19.360points of where you wanted the eyes to look, the emanation of light, the positioning of the body.
00:23:25.500There was real good constructive criticisms that kind of built out. And once we got that
00:23:30.480foundation going, then it just took off. You know, guys, as a side point,
00:23:34.940um Svon and I are able to do this on on a lot of different things and I think we we complement each
00:23:44.160other very well in certain ways um I've got like I can see things in my head I have
00:23:51.440a lot of thoughts about art but I can't make art like I can I know what I want but I can't
00:24:00.920make that manifest and spawn has an amazing ability to be able to manifest these things
00:24:06.760into the into the physical and make them beautiful and it was really cool to be able to be some part
00:24:13.400of that process and i never want to overburden it not let the artist put it all out there because
00:24:20.680the gods are working through spawn in a very special way um but yeah it's it's we were big on
00:24:27.400on working with the metallics in the picture the metallics were one of those big things he
00:24:32.600and i spoke about and then that uh that that black sun halo uh that now adorns all of our
00:24:40.680all of our gods and will when we do arts of our heroes as well uh but red for the heroes and gold
00:24:47.240for for the the icer um was really special to be part of that while this was developing and uh
00:24:55.160I remember, I remember that also clearly, it really takes me back. I appreciate you telling
00:24:59.960the story about this one. Yeah, that, that, that time. And I, and again,
00:25:05.220Altshara Gauthier was not hitting, uh, uh, like backseat driver level stuff. He was,
00:25:11.760he was basically giving honest criticisms about the way it would be more dynamic to do something,
00:25:18.840or perhaps it would be better if we did it this way. And I would try it.
00:25:23.460and then we'd sit back we'd take a picture of it we'd look at things and then yep no that's it
00:25:28.820that's hitting it right there and then so it started to develop and once we got the groundwork
00:25:32.640going there was this time where I really couldn't be on the phone and it was it was I was doing the
00:25:38.400mural over a series of weekends because I was working and then I would come down around Thursday
00:25:43.440and I would stay till Saturday night and so when it really got pitched it was kind of like our
00:25:48.860communication was at the beginning and then a little bit at the end and then we would kind of
00:25:52.960adjust. I would, you know, like take down kind of mental notes of what you were saying. And then
00:25:57.920when I came back the next week, I would hit those notes and then send a picture and say,
00:26:02.620how about now? What is, what are you thinking about this? And so there was an intimate kind
00:26:06.620of conversation between us because we were hitting the first threshold of imagery of the AFA. And to
00:26:13.680me, I was challenged with the task of it, but it was you that were, you were talking about an age
00:26:20.660of art you were looking at something bigger than even i could understand was that you like you were
00:26:26.980kind of like like swan think about this like there's going to be a time when people are going
00:26:31.440to look back at this time and your hands are going to be involved in an age of like depiction of the
00:26:40.460gods and no pressure so it kind of like oh but it helped it helped me it helped hone me and it
00:26:49.940really did help me keep clarification during that time because of everything
00:26:53.700that was going on on the outside like I said people were dropping out middle of
00:26:57.740the weekend in the middle of the night and just kind of slinking back out of
00:27:01.180this I'm not touching this and you know I've got my family to worry about it and
00:27:04.760I have a family I have a job I have a lot to lose and I kept going forward and
00:27:13.520the only thing I really super focused on was the threshold of creating the
00:27:18.420mural. Um, so there's like a lot of different things in the mural that I would say to get back
00:27:26.360to the question about Easter eggs or, or about the hidden meanings, really the colors are kind
00:27:33.060of symbolic. Uh, they have intention and meaning also to, um, because we're pulling from a Nordic
00:27:40.820myth I we were talking about like the appearance of Thor and and correlation to um uh tangible
00:27:51.080historical context but more so than just the material so like there's little things like uh
00:27:59.220even though the wool wraps around his legs have tiny little um like golden aglets or golden hooks
00:28:07.040that that were that were used on actual wool wraps of the legs during amongst the anglo-saxons and
00:28:13.120the nordic period so we i was trying to pay attention to some of the detail there uh the
00:28:18.480other thing i really wanted to um every every mural has a seed that correlates to another hof
00:28:28.240because like the elsewhere ago they said this was the beginning this was the second hof there was
00:28:33.120going to be more so one of the things i really wanted to place in was greedable i wanted to
00:28:39.120place in the iron rod in his belt because grida is the mother of vidar or vidar and so that little
00:28:49.280nod there even though it's kind of hard to connect the dots i wanted it to be there
00:28:56.960on purpose because it was you know we're coming down the line we're going to open a temple to
00:29:02.480the vida. And I wanted that correlation to be there. And so every Hoff kind of has a little
00:29:10.080nod or a lean to one or the other. You know, a lot of people don't realize that like I got a chance
00:29:17.300to go to, to Odin's Hoff after Baldur's Hoff. So in Baldur's, there's a nod to Odin's Hoff because
00:29:23.920I was going there next. And so everyone kind of correlates to one ahead of it or a one to proceed.
00:29:33.160So Greedavull, the runes on Greedavull, the runes on his belt, this was before the Folk Futhark.
00:29:42.400Now, I wanted to bring this up because I've heard rumors, little birds telling me things that people are under the misconception that we somehow created a new Futhark.
00:29:53.680No, that is – I'm insulted that they would think we would be that hubris.
00:30:00.040Like, no, the idea, uh, I think it comes from their ignorance and the fact that they haven't developed art yet.
00:30:08.060And a lot of these, the criticisms that are coming at us are coming from people that don't have established art or have the medium in which they're going to have large scale artwork being presented to the folk in representation of the gods.
00:30:22.040And what kind of respect level that has, they don't have that.
00:30:25.620So they're start shooting in the dark and saying, oh, they're making up this crap and they're making up these runes.0.99
00:30:30.040No. In actuality, the Folk Futhark was not even in process during Thor's mural, but what happened was I was starting to write things down to give context. I wanted Greedival to be on his belt, but if there was an iron rod with nothing on it, then the people wouldn't understand what that was unless they looked into the story, but I could give it right then and there, and then they would be like, oh, and then they'd go back and look it up.
00:30:55.340but i wanted to do it in runic so if we're going to do it in runic how do we do it in runic and
00:31:02.160what i was here go the and i sat down and we talked about it and we thought okay how about
00:31:09.980we use all the futharks that have already been in existence every cell like all of them and
00:31:16.980and and and pull some from each one to create a futhark that we will use for artistic expression
00:31:24.940the idea is that we want to we want to pass on lore but some people are familiar with the elder
00:31:31.200some people are familiar with the younger some people are familiar with anglo-saxon phrygian
00:31:35.900others are you know with the armanin suddenly we realize there's people that have different
00:31:40.540you know understandings of the runes so let's pull a little bit from each one that'll encourage
00:31:46.640them to study cross and see see the symbols in different ways and also allow us to convey a
00:31:54.180message in our artwork so that folk years from now can read it and understand it without having
00:32:02.240some sort of confusion based on rules from other futharks. So we basically just created a
00:32:08.820linguistical medium in order to better describe what's going on in the artwork. We weren't trying
00:32:16.540to create a new magical system. We weren't trying to create some sort of, uh, uh, you know, AFA
00:32:22.680super rune Futhark that we're going to use. Uh, it was like when I found out about this criticism
00:32:31.320and it kind of like hurt my head at what level that would be levied at us or levied at me. Um,
00:32:38.960no, it was about art. It's about expressing the spiritual. It's about things that were going on
00:32:44.840at the time, being expressed through the painting in order to encourage the folk to learn a lesson
00:32:51.400from it. And one of the big things is about fear along the edge of the boat. You know, it's clearly
00:32:58.180stating there that Himmer is struck with fear while Thor is the lord of action. He's moving
00:33:06.000forward. He's about to crush. He's going to take all of the power of earth and heaven and place it
00:33:11.940right that in the middle of that which constrains the middle earth and it gets cut because him is
00:33:20.180a coward that was what i was trying to convey and i couldn't just do it with just pictures i wanted
00:33:25.780to add words and things so the folk folk food art was actually developed at the end of that so
00:33:32.340there's pieces of it that aren't in the folk food ark and i'm deliberating right now whether or not
00:33:37.460not to go back and adjust i have adjusted some things but i don't want to do it i'm approaching
00:33:42.440the godstead with a sense of reverence i don't want to just oh you know we're gonna erase this
00:33:48.520and do this it's more or less like okay i'm i'm gonna refocus on how i gotta plan this out because
00:33:54.220runes have sizes and i don't want to overshoot or undershoot and create gaps and kind of mess with
00:34:01.260the with the completion of it so we still have to edit some stuff with the with the folk truth
00:34:07.900arc but after thor's off the folk the folk truth arc was in place and it was it was all about being
00:34:14.860able to convey messages through art so i wanted to bury that kind of rumor or i don't know wind
00:34:23.280that seems to catch people's tongues um we uh you know uh utilizing that the other thing that
00:34:31.920i have never done a mural before thor's off so a funny little thing is um my my usage of i i have
00:34:41.960done um i used to do tattoos and i have done tattoo work and usually you're you're dealing
00:34:47.520with a single piece, strong borders, not a lot of space. Background was a big thing for me and
00:34:54.120natural background and utilizing clouds and mountains and waves. I had no experience in
00:35:01.240whatsoever. So I did a lot of studying a lot. I, you know, I went, looked in art books. I looked
00:35:11.120at because i live on the beach at the beach and i looked at waves and in paintings i've even i even
00:35:17.040went to i went to bob ross at one point because i couldn't quite make the waves look 3d or like
00:35:26.320they were actually curling forward and i remember typing in uh waves on stormy ocean bob ross and
00:35:34.660like looking at his technique and then trying it and i was fully assuming there's no way i'm
00:35:39.640going to be able to replicate this this is bob ross we're talking about here and i felt like i
00:35:44.300got i got in a good spot so that's some of the stuff the coloring the choice of the story the
00:35:50.860usage of the folk futhark or runes in general to create uh an extension of um or uh to expound on
00:35:59.820the meaning of things and then also to the establishment of the son and rod around the head
00:36:04.020the uh establishment of Mjolnir and the runes upon his belt so you know and and making sure
00:36:11.040that we have you know iron glove and iron grip in there and things because those were also gifts
00:36:16.600given to Thor from Grida to hold breathable or excuse me no it's uh the gifts from the uh the
00:36:24.420dwarves to hold Mjolnir and so I wanted to add this kind of idea of evolution of the toolage
00:36:30.840of Thor because we see amongst no other god, and this kind of correlates back to that question
00:36:36.580about why a symbol of Thor, the hammer, is because we see this evolution in Thor with imagery towards
00:36:44.240him that directly correlate to the time in which we are in. We see our ancestors and we see the
00:36:52.100Pan-Arianism of the club, and then the club kind of evolves into the axe or the bronze axe or the0.60
00:36:57.820hammer axe. And then we see by the time of the late Nordic period, which, you know, the last0.82
00:37:06.960vestige of our faith, the evolution of Mjolnir became a hammer. And, you know, understanding
00:37:16.900that the gods evolved with us. So that was another big point I wanted to show with Gretheville
00:37:24.180being in the belt. And there's some symbology there. But I mean, I think we could talk about
00:37:29.180that a little bit later, as far as some of the intention there. But I just wanted to say that
00:37:34.280was some of the things that we were trying to really get out there. And it was under when I
00:37:38.760went in there, there was a ton of stuff going on around us that inspired a lot of this. That was
00:37:45.160very long-winded sorry no no i and uh inside baseball these are organic but that's the one
00:37:53.940thing i sent svan earlier today like be prepared to talk about the mural because i knew that was
00:37:58.460going to be a big deal because it's such a special beautiful tribute that we've done
00:38:04.440and that svan has done for us at thor it's um it really is worthy of myth and legend
00:38:12.960and it's spectacular and it's, it's a really important thing to talk about.
00:38:21.700So I had something I was going to say, but it slipped my mind. Hopefully I will think of it
00:38:25.620later and be able to say something then. We have a $10 donation from Tyler Bethea.
00:38:34.620Thank you so much, Tyler. We appreciate you. He says, great to see you two gentlemen tonight.
00:38:39.680hail the afa we appreciate it there we go and uh hey bob ross we appreciate that bob ross
00:38:49.440i think he's underrated as an artist but the stuff he's able to do on a canvas is really
00:38:55.300magical and i'm i'm glad that was able to help you with the waves i either didn't know that or
00:39:00.320didn't recall that yeah i i never even told you that and that's another point that i wanted to
00:39:04.860bring you up to the focus that we don't pre-script this this is your sometimes i think you're
00:39:10.720learning stuff that i haven't really talked about as we're doing these podcasts no i'm i i'm i'm a
00:39:18.240bob ross fan not so much here but a fan of his art absolutely