Asatru Folk Assembly - 5⧸1⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 95 - Grímnismál, Part 2

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00:04:00.000 All right, guys, welcome to another exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:04:25.880 You may have noticed, folks that are listening to this down the road in the podcast form may have missed it, but we opened the show with a moment of silence for a member of ours that passed away over the last week since I spoke to you guys last.

00:04:49.240 And we want to remember Nix LeVang, fiance of Folk Builder Joe Drotos, and sweet girl.

00:05:02.780 Somebody that I had a really nice interaction with last time I saw her.

00:05:08.860 Lovely to talk to.

00:05:11.100 Wish I'd gotten to know her better and gone way, way too soon.

00:05:14.640 So, may your ancestors welcome you. We miss you, Nix.

00:05:23.520 Yeah, so kind of a somber note to start on, but an important one, I think.

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00:07:26.800 Okay, so Svon and I are doing an endless series of going through our lore, which is awesome.

00:07:36.780 I think it's a really beneficial thing.

00:07:38.960 I know that we're spending a lot of time covering the material.

00:07:42.680 We do certainly answer all y'all's questions.

00:07:45.700 We need questions.

00:07:46.960 We like questions.

00:07:47.880 We appreciate them, and they force us to look at things from a different angle

00:07:53.520 or to, you know, maybe come up with answers to questions that didn't occur to us, but that do

00:08:00.320 occur to you. And so something to think about is your questions on here don't just supply answers

00:08:06.160 to you. There's probably a lot of other people listening that have a similar question that just

00:08:10.440 didn't get a chance to bring it up. So we do appreciate those. And absolutely such thing as

00:08:18.300 stupid question but unless it is offensively so we will still answer it um appreciate you guys

00:08:27.500 other stuff so coming up we have our next big event is midsummer at odin's off that is our

00:08:35.820 longest running uh national event it's pretty big deal it's likely to be the biggest event of the

00:08:43.500 year that's never a guarantee um it's fantastic it's at our oldest hoff odin's hoff was established

00:08:53.020 in 2015 so we have now a mathan i think this is going to be because we got in the fall of 2015

00:09:04.620 so it's going to be our eighth eighth midsummer there i believe um

00:09:12.860 it's a really special time and it's a really powerful place beautiful spot if you guys haven't

00:09:17.740 been there and that's in brownsville california if you're interested please reach out to any of

00:09:23.740 our folk builders they can get you set up and if you ask over in the chat we're usually pretty

00:09:31.500 well stocked with folks over there that can get you information also so we'd love to see you there

00:09:37.980 also

00:09:42.300 now we'll leave that be for a little bit we got a couple other events coming up

00:09:45.500 ah might as well put it out there um the next one after midsummer is going to be

00:09:53.660 something that i was supposed to solidify the dates on and didn't go ahead and do but i need to

00:09:58.700 I'm going to go ahead and announce it here, folks.

00:10:00.500 It's going to be the third weekend of July at Sigurheim.

00:10:05.440 We're going to have Sigurbloat.

00:10:07.440 I need to go ahead and get a graphic and stuff made and set up for that.

00:10:10.980 And it's a stark reminder right now of something I was going to do this last week, but didn't.

00:10:15.620 So I'll try to get to that tonight.

00:10:19.180 Following that will be Freyfaxi at Baldershof.

00:10:23.300 That's in Murdoch, Minnesota.

00:10:24.780 And it's coming up in August.

00:10:26.260 and then after that in October we will be celebrating winter nights for the first time

00:10:32.680 in New Hampshire that's slated to be at just the perfect weekend to see all the change in the trees

00:10:40.740 and it's likely to be a very very nice event I'm looking forward to it it's at a spot we've never

00:10:46.820 been before in a state I've never been to before so I'm excited about that we'd love to be all

00:10:52.600 there. But as you can see over the next few months, lots of opportunities to get together

00:10:58.980 and see our folk and worship our gods together. And I look forward to seeing you guys at any or

00:11:05.100 all of those events. So we're front loading everything on the top of the show, but I think

00:11:14.500 it's probably the smartest and best way to do it. We will get to our poem here in a little bit,

00:11:19.140 I promise. But as we mentioned last week, we had kind of the first round of our new merchandise

00:11:26.100 drop. We've got a bunch of new stuff since then. Nick's putting it up now, but we have

00:11:31.900 merch for, in addition to Victory Never Sleeps stuff from last week, we have merchandise up for

00:11:38.700 the Auschew Academy. That is our AFA homeschool program that we are two years into and going

00:11:45.460 and strong that stuff's there we also got some different stuff there by popular demand um

00:11:57.300 apparently when i find this things displeasing i make a face people have immortalized that

00:12:03.380 face into an image that we hope will uh entertain and raise a little bit of funds for what we're

00:12:10.260 doing so um feel free to hear my scorn upon your person i i know for a fact that that is absolutely

00:12:23.060 go the east and his wife so there you go uh as i said with all of them we're experimenting and

00:12:30.180 figuring out what we're doing merch wise this is where we're at now but there's no guarantee

00:12:34.660 these products are going to stay so they may very well be for a limited time but we appreciate you

00:12:40.020 guys if it's something that you that you want to get also as always donations are much appreciated

00:12:47.700 and they're how we're able to have nice things and do a lot of the important things that we do

00:12:54.580 if you want to donate we've got the methods of doing that in the description

00:13:03.380 so there is that and you know everybody that has been generous we appreciate you guys

00:13:09.780 all you folks that continue to be generous thank you for that it matters it means a lot

00:13:16.100 and i suppose before we kick everything off i will you know wish you guys the happiest of may

00:13:23.620 days today is officially may day sometimes we observe it at different times to make it more

00:13:29.060 convenient to get together and celebrate but today is the day and i hope it has been a good

00:13:35.380 one for you guys i know it has been for me and my family um with that

00:13:45.140 spawn you want to bring people up to speed on where we're at and nick if you could post the

00:13:50.100 link we are as always doing this in the bellows translation feel free to use any translation

00:13:57.780 that you'd like compare contrast see how it you know see how it works for you see which one you

00:14:03.940 like. And we'll give you a moment to get there as Fawn kind of brings us up to speed on what

00:14:09.680 happened last episode. All right. So we discussed a little bit about the origin of the poem and how

00:14:23.700 it starts out is very different than the other encyclopedic poems. And again, this is very

00:14:28.900 one-sided. Lord Odin is not having an exchange. He is just stating out the overall point that he

00:14:36.020 is Lord Odin and that King Garod has made a great mistake in torturing him for eight nights.

00:14:46.320 But the function of the poem is still the same. And we're going to get into

00:14:50.520 some clarifications that need to be done because, again, a lot of what our ancestors

00:14:57.400 heard from the poems was either already known, to a great degree, I would argue, I think that

00:15:06.700 especially upper class folks would have heard these stories pretty much since they were

00:15:12.040 very, very little. And so understanding the names of certain places or grasping the cosmology

00:15:20.080 and the way that they saw the gods in the world. And though ours is slightly changed from theirs

00:15:27.180 because of different understandings um all of those you know mythic truths remain and um so we

00:15:35.420 begin to see now that there's going to be a lot of listing of lore uh in particularly with with

00:15:42.780 rivers coming up but for the most part um we've been gaining an understanding of the layout of the

00:15:49.420 heavenly realm of heaven itself and ausgarther in particular um but we are going to move away

00:15:56.780 from ausgarther and kind of go into the into uh the you know heaven at large and then eventually

00:16:04.860 the arian uh you know triplication uh cosmos where there is an upper a middle and a lower

00:16:12.540 and um why it is important that so much of the upper um everything descends down into um the

00:16:21.580 other realms so that's kind of what's going on lord othen is is um proving by his knowledge what's

00:16:32.220 who he is and as he slowly brings it out it becomes more and more of a doomed uh sense which

00:16:40.300 ultimately leads uh where we're going to the end of the story here is that there is a a great uh

00:16:45.340 casting of doom upon king gerald very swift very very uh brutal but uh we

00:16:53.340 we need to get the point across for sure in the story

00:17:03.500 i believe we were on 26 i think was the one we haven't covered yet so we last left um on

00:17:15.340 stanzas 21 through 25 yep we'll be starting on 26 and before we do i just want to give

00:17:24.220 a thank you to uh our our most loyal and and faithful donor uh ronald blake we appreciate

00:17:33.820 you so much i donated five dollars with the bottle coffee deal says hail all hail to you

00:17:40.300 ronald and he also uh donated thirty dollars to the austro academy we appreciate it a lot thank

00:17:46.380 you very much dang i mean it's such bright frank fame that comes from him uh you know every every

00:17:52.540 onset we we speak his name at almost the beginning of every dns that's pretty crazy to think about

00:17:59.180 and he's building bright and fame for himself i will definitely um uh say a prayer for you at uh

00:18:05.660 Thorshoff, too, for your generosity. That's amazing. Absolutely.

00:18:17.720 And again, a lot of folks new to Ausatru, speaking the fame of someone else to someone else or to

00:18:25.460 the gods or to your ancestors is a great form of building their hominia, building their social

00:18:33.500 might as well as their spiritual might so speak the the the brave deeds of folks you know

00:18:43.420 absolutely all right well let's uh let's start with 26. okay so um

00:18:52.140 26. Eich Thirner is the heart. Of course, the English word heart, H-A-R-T, means a deer. The word

00:19:04.380 deor in Anglo-Saxon just meant a wild animal of the woods. It was later added to be specifically

00:19:13.060 to deer. So it is a heart or an antler deer. And its name actually gives reference to that.

00:19:20.000 So Eik Thirnur is the heart who stands by here father's hall and the branches of Leireth he bites and from his horns a stream into Fir Yelmer's drops, thence all rivers run.

00:19:37.940 So this is an interesting one because it creates a mythic connection between the heavenly realms and the underworld in an interesting way.

00:19:48.700 The dropping rivers that come off of, or the dripping of Eichtherner's horns.

00:20:01.800 Now, I have always taken this to actually be a foreboding thing.

00:20:07.600 Yggdrasil is the producer of the soul life of everything beneath Yggdrasil.

00:20:16.440 um the roots that run out and everything that descends down from from the heavenly gods as it

00:20:22.120 comes down um from the the gods of the sky as they as it descends life the soul might the power of

00:20:31.100 kind of comes forth in the the the dripping dew of yggdrasil and when it lands in earth's well

00:20:38.480 this begins a great process but this is in essence bypassing that and i i think that everyone should

00:20:46.740 kind of understand that the hearts nibbling on yggdrasil's leaves are not a good thing they're

00:20:53.900 not they weren't seen as a good thing they were seen as a kind of consistent pulling away from

00:21:01.740 the might of Yggdrasil, hence the reason why the Nornir needed to always bathe the roots at the

00:21:08.920 base of the tree in order to keep it going. So I think that this is an antagonistic force, and

00:21:16.160 unfortunately, we have the names of the four hearts that nibble on the trees, and three of

00:21:23.440 them are dwarven names that are mentioned later in the Volasbau, or earlier in the Volasbau that we

00:21:31.240 did. And there's no story as to how they may have become those hearts, those deer. So we don't have

00:21:41.340 that. It's interesting though that out of those three, then there is the fourth and it is Ike

00:21:46.240 Thirner. And that is not a dwarven name so far as we know. It means oak thorn. And it could have

00:21:56.300 kind of different meanings that I've seen people kind of speculate. One is that it is

00:22:02.740 thorny antlers, like an oak tree. Others, perhaps, of course, deer eating oak or acorns,

00:22:12.600 and just meaning like it's consumer of oak acorns and has thorny

00:22:21.100 antlers. I don't know. It doesn't seem to have any particular reference directly to either

00:22:31.640 Yggdrasil or I think it's a name that would be understood to reference or a kenning for

00:22:40.760 a deer. Now there's another part in here and the branches of Leroth. So Leroth, when you look it up,

00:22:49.220 you'll mostly see where it's mentioned as being a betrayer. And I don't think that that's correct

00:22:59.620 at all. There is a word in Old Norse for the upper thigh and the leg. And it's lair, or lair,

00:23:09.700 excuse me. And lair, like it means as if you were to stand, almost like Captain Morgan, like if

00:23:15.300 your your leg is is uh arched and um and set about and i believe that that would be a better

00:23:22.460 translation towards what we're speaking of with yggdrasil and the roots kind of stepping out and

00:23:28.460 over into realms um but you know if anybody has any further kind of reads on that um you know

00:23:35.680 please i'm open let me know i mean we're all you know figuring these these things out together and

00:23:41.380 even people that are really, really fluent in Old Norse or very fluent in Icelandic still

00:23:48.020 don't know full meanings of these. And when you look at the etymology, it becomes very, very

00:23:54.660 convoluted. So we have Ike Theodner and he's drawing the dew, the power of Yggdrasil that it

00:24:05.620 produces and it's dripping from down its uh horns and it drips all the way down

00:24:12.900 to the underworld into specifically the churning well ver yelmer it is the original wellspring in

00:24:22.660 the lower world and um it's very very important wellspring i think that snorri may have gotten

00:24:29.620 some things a little painted he painted hellguard very very specifically and i think it was from his

00:24:36.340 christian upbringing but i think this also stands for uh vergelmer as well um and you know that's

00:24:43.540 something to go into later but vergelmer is the lower realm um wellspring and it's important to

00:24:53.540 to remember that every wellspring has a root from yggdrasil which resides in heaven and and again

00:25:00.580 the referencing is to why so many people don't know where those roots go or have not seen where

00:25:05.780 those roots roots show up um and why lord odin does is because they extend beyond even the heavenly

00:25:14.260 realms they they go all throughout and this is the main route the tap route that um yggdrasil you

00:25:21.300 know springs from the ancient primordial well and we're gonna we're about to go into the rivers that

00:25:27.220 come out of this well as also with the rivers of the upper and the middle world um so when it says

00:25:36.900 here that into uh vergelmer drops thence all rivers run speaking there specifically of the

00:25:45.060 primordial rivers the elviar the the ancient rivers of creation and they reside in the lower

00:25:54.020 realm the place of you know substrate and uh cosmic matter that flows out from there um

00:26:03.220 and has since you know the beginning with muspelheim and nivelheim um so as we go into this

00:26:12.020 uh it's kind of a preface i'm gonna it's gonna be very uh it's if anybody's reading it right

00:26:18.180 now they might be looking at it like wow that's a big word salad um but it's really important to

00:26:24.980 remember that first off nobody's really done this uh that to to my recollection other than

00:26:30.980 the ostrich folk assembly has looked at the scholarly nature of the way that these rivers

00:26:37.860 are set up and translated. When Svahn says the Asichu Folk Assembly, he's being humble. He means

00:26:45.300 Witten Svahn Herald. This is us linguistically in general, but specifically with these rivers,

00:26:53.780 it's been really something he's put a lot of himself into and doing that digging.

00:26:59.380 So this is his hard work paying off for us. Thank you. But I mean, collectively,

00:27:07.300 to having these thoughts like uh being able to speak to the gothar and and to talk about how um

00:27:15.140 and why these the the cosmic placement the reason why there is the upper middle and lower um why

00:27:21.540 there's a lot of misconceptions and why people um they know about the elviar but they just kind of

00:27:27.780 write off the other rivers as being holy rivers or it's just a river you know that is special for

00:27:34.180 the story or something like that and i don't think that's the case in actuality i think that um

00:27:40.420 the the rivers for whatever reason perhaps poetically rhythmically um they were all

00:27:46.900 brought together but if we use some detective work and kind of work through them you can actually

00:27:53.460 break the rivers up to understand and see a patterning and that is one of the big things

00:27:59.060 that i always harp on is patterning of mythos where things are and where things go and where

00:28:04.900 they return and there is a lot of movement in the stories that are worth looking at and i think they

00:28:11.780 have you know a great amount of value so i guess what we could do is uh let's let's um these are

00:28:21.780 this is a lot of rivers going from 27 to 30. Let me see if I can, let me see if I can do this

00:28:30.220 because it might be better if, let me try and, okay. All right. So, and then if I can just move

00:28:47.660 this over perfect okay so we have um the rivers that are mentioned lord odin is basically speaking

00:29:00.180 about the fact that he sees and knows the rivers there are rivers that flow amongst the gods there

00:29:05.820 are rivers that flow amongst men and there are rivers that flow in the underworld and the way

00:29:10.020 that we know this is that we've already received the 11 rivers that are in third gamer and that

00:29:16.940 flow out from there. So when you look at the other rivers, you begin to see that the upper realm,

00:29:24.920 the heavenly rivers, have names that are all descriptive and sometimes spiritual or

00:29:32.180 overly broad. And then when you look at the rivers in the middle world, they become very specific

00:29:39.400 and they're specific towards the tasks of the folk and what the folk do in rivers. And so

00:29:46.300 you'll see the poetics of the heavenly rivers and the, and the rivers of the underworld,

00:29:51.320 but in the middle, you'll notice them to be very, very, um, matter of fact. And so I, uh, I, I bring,

00:29:59.920 you know, I, I bring this up a lot because, um, if you think about with Ausgarther proper in the

00:30:07.920 heavenly realms, when Lord Thor walks out, he cannot traverse the bridge, the bridge that

00:30:14.920 descends from the walls of Ausgarth to the well in heaven, he cannot walk that bridge. So he has

00:30:22.300 to take one of the heavenly rivers, or actually two of them, and step over them and come out of

00:30:28.900 Ausgarth into heaven proper by traversing over these rivers. And these rivers are cormed and

00:30:36.280 ormed, the cooling one and the serpentining one. So you'll see, again, they're very, very broad,

00:30:43.120 but they're not as negative as the or as murk or as uh kind of foreboding as the elvigar

00:30:49.840 and then you'll notice the the middle rivers so let's i guess let's go over just the stanzas

00:30:55.200 themselves um sith and with sycan and eiken swole and fimblethal gunthro and fjorm rin and rinandi

00:31:13.760 Gipel and Gopel, Gamol and Giervimul, that flow through the fields of the gods,

00:31:25.460 Thin and Veen, Thol and Hol, Groth and Gunthorin.

00:31:33.060 So, clearly when we speak about Gipil, Gopil, Gamol, and Gervimol that flow through the fields of the gods, those foreign specifics are heavenly rivers.

00:31:50.400 and Gipil translates to the Lucky River

00:31:55.020 and Gopal is the deep cut or gapped river.

00:32:00.540 Gomal is the babbling brook or babbling river

00:32:05.140 and Gervimal is one of my favorite ones.

00:32:07.640 I don't quite know.

00:32:09.080 I've looked at both translations.

00:32:11.160 They both fit,

00:32:12.520 but it could mean the sprouting like a spear

00:32:17.760 being thrusted, or it could mean a garlic. Because again, gervimol is in relation to

00:32:26.100 garlic and the sprouting of a spear. So, you know, I don't know. Garlic is very, very, you know,

00:32:35.680 it's a heavenly herb. And I don't know, I like to imagine that, you know, the luck of the garlic

00:32:42.980 leak um and the healing of it but you know no no telling and i i just wanted to place both of those

00:32:50.580 up there for everyone to to kind of maybe go and check the etymologies and see what you come up

00:32:55.460 with and um you know bring them up to me um so yeah those three you'll notice that they're jammed

00:33:02.900 together you'll find the alivgar rivers intermixed with all the other rivers and i think that's why

00:33:08.340 it caused a lot of confusion but again pulling it apart and suddenly looking at the names you

00:33:14.900 you kind of see a distinct pattern there's the mournful rivers of the lower world the kind of

00:33:19.940 happy rivers the the uh the strong river the lucky river um the river of of judgment which

00:33:26.420 is another big point about a river being in the upper realm and then you see in the middle realm

00:33:31.940 the 14 rivers that are absolutely related to menial tasks and i don't know if they're

00:33:36.900 maybe even nordic names for existing rivers like the rhine or the um the danube i don't know

00:33:46.260 about that but you know we'll we'll move into um some more so in 28 we have and these are some of

00:33:55.740 the the uh human rivers or the midgard rivers and then immediately followed by rivers from the

00:34:02.760 underworld and again this might have been a poetic um issue but it's caused a lot of confusion for

00:34:08.600 people so vino is one they spin another and the old numa a third neat and not non and chron slave

00:34:27.400 and hriv, silk and ilk, viv and von, vond and strand, gyol and leipt,

00:34:43.080 that go among men and hence they fall to hell.

00:34:50.280 So here we have a couple of things. Right off you can see like vino is

00:34:57.400 the, the river that's surrounded by grapes and I, of all of them, I would kind of correlate that

00:35:05.440 with the Rhine and, um, you know, the grape production down there, but the, uh, there is

00:35:13.300 another river that's confused in this. There's Vino and Vina. So we have the, the river of grapes

00:35:20.500 and wine versus the river of vines and so that again causes a lot of confusion so um

00:35:31.540 and i don't know if um if nick you can post maybe in the chat the uh the heavenly rivers and the

00:35:38.260 midgard like when we're done so that way people can kind of take notes if they want um oh actually

00:35:44.900 there's an oversight too i saw one translation um that i have that is not on my my list that i sent

00:35:51.780 you um so moving into 29 we know for a fact that cornt and ornt are heavenly rivers

00:36:07.940 and it is important to understand that in order for thor to leave ausgarth and go to the well

00:36:18.660 he must traverse these rivers and it's it's um kormt and ormd are twin rivers

00:36:25.900 and they're referred to as the kerlo the kerlog or it's kerlog is the um the splitting of the

00:36:35.220 two rivers in twain, but they are sourced from the same place. So in 29, Kormt and Ormt and the

00:36:44.520 Karlov's twain shall Thor each day wade through when doomed to give, he forth shall go to the ash

00:36:54.120 tree, Yggdrasil, for heaven's bridge burns all in flame and the sacred waters seed. So at this

00:37:05.440 point, it is, and you can even see Bellows, Bellows is a kind of translations linked to this

00:37:12.260 as well. But the idea that there is a triplicate level and that the gods are witnessing you now,

00:37:19.200 they're not witnessing you after you die. They're not witnessing you to measure your heart on a

00:37:24.100 stand with a feather or your philkia or whatever it might be, they are witnessing you now. They

00:37:30.860 want to see you now. And they mark your doom or your blessing based off of your deeds in the

00:37:37.160 current moment, as they are above time and can kind of see all that flows. So there is a notion

00:37:46.180 that a lot of people are going with being judged by the gods in the afterlife. And I think that

00:37:51.500 that is antithetical to the way our ancestors thought and really how we think today when you

00:37:58.640 hear people in Ausatru say you know the gods witness me or may the gods witness you uh that's

00:38:06.260 not to you know to state that uh this is gonna like I hope they're writing this down for your

00:38:12.140 court case in the in the afterlife no they they mark you and bless you now this is a really subtle

00:38:19.700 distinction, and I think it's something worth noting. I think that there's a separate trial

00:38:34.640 each and every day of your life. Sentencing may occur in the way that you realize it when

00:38:42.320 you cross the veil. But you're trying to think because it is very subtle, and I don't know

00:38:55.380 if people will necessarily grasp the difference. Each of your deeds, all of your, all of your

00:39:08.380 deeds are witnessed by the ancestors and by the iser they are there is a steady

00:39:21.820 there's a steady flow of judgment of your deeds and your behaviors and

00:39:27.500 And bestowing a favor or not in the present, there is also effect on whether, you know, either the ancestors or the Isir want to have anything to do with you on the other side of the veil or not.

00:39:45.700 um both things occur but it's not like you save it up and then at the end of your life there's

00:39:52.820 some kind of you know tally run on on on things it's an ongoing ever present ebb and flow of your

00:40:03.920 worth based upon your deeds and your fame and you know how you live your life it's very much an art

00:40:12.100 to it so it's not and everything this is meaningful as well and it it's a deviation from

00:40:20.680 like focusing on the text right now but it is relevant to judgment um

00:40:26.820 deeds exist once they have happened they have happened you can't negate them by

00:40:37.720 a you know you can't negate them they are there you can counterbalance them by making right what

00:40:47.060 you made wrong you can repair things in that way but we're laying down um or log with our deeds

00:40:55.320 constantly and there is no such thing as a as a perfect and unblemished record of deed but

00:41:05.400 But the best way to fix the imbalance caused by ignoble behavior is to overcompensate for

00:41:21.160 it with lots of noble behavior.

00:41:28.320 Feeling bad about it or saying sorry for it doesn't fix it.

00:41:34.240 a nice gesture and it's important you should be self-aware and feel ashamed when you do

00:41:39.600 something wrong you should absolutely apologize to the person that you have wronged or to

00:41:46.960 the gods or people you feel you have let down by doing wrong but all of that pales in comparison

00:41:54.720 with the fix what you broke to the best of your ability first it's fundamental to our

00:42:01.680 and our concept of justice and it's fundamental to our concept of cosmic judgment

00:42:12.480 but yeah it's very much through deeds and it's a running thing that is always

00:42:17.600 always ever present and we mentioned that the uh it's it's weird how it flows through

00:42:25.280 the program but we mentioned earlier in terms of ronald's generosity also in terms of the the

00:42:34.160 celebration of nix after her passing the the things that we do to build fame for ourselves

00:42:46.880 and for each other affects the reputation that is steadily being calculated and recalculated

00:42:54.960 and built and the judgment that's constantly occurring it's worth mentioning that we believe

00:43:00.720 very much that continues beyond the veil as well just because someone's passed or even if they've

00:43:06.480 passed long ago the continued celebration of things and doing deeds in their name and

00:43:15.920 going before the iser and you know asking them to look kindly upon those people and to care for them

00:43:24.000 all of those things build someone's fame on the other side of the veil as well

00:43:29.920 that concept of the currency of your reputation

00:43:36.000 transcends earthly mortality

00:43:45.360 yeah like kind of to piggyback on what you're saying is um some folks might say like oh when

00:43:51.360 you die the gods are going to gather down in the underworld which again is a huge uh and very very

00:43:58.320 interesting anti kind of arian mythos generally the underworld was seen as a place that was

00:44:04.640 relatively untouched by the gods save a few and the fact that they're down there is

00:44:10.480 extremely you know important slash powerful um

00:44:14.800 But we're speaking of the fact that the gods can witness you in life, in death, and again, the placement of perhaps even the elevation of the soul to rise up and or be allocated as Alvar or Desir so that it's more of a circular thing instead of kind of simply, you know, elevator go down.

00:44:44.420 and that's it um so i think that is something lost on a lot of folks and they're there again

00:44:54.000 there is so much fragmentation in in the relation to um the afterlife from snorri but i do believe

00:45:02.840 that the mythos is is clear enough to paint that understanding um as the gods do view you and judge

00:45:12.660 you as well as do your ancestors um and your ability to join them again uh if you're a if

00:45:19.480 you're a needing good of such vileness the gods have marked you for doom your ancestors do not

00:45:27.500 accept you it's and you clearly have wrought doom upon yourself here in the middle world amongst

00:45:35.000 your folk that's not good i think that's the ultimate like now you know you're this is

00:45:42.920 well so while we're on that we take anybody just tuning in

00:45:49.720 we do this to the backdrop of the lore we're going through sometimes it's a straight run through

00:45:56.200 and sometimes it leads to points that we think are really important to make for folks to

00:46:01.720 understand how it's true and how you know i all of the implications of that um

00:46:07.720 um one of the things to admit up front is no one no one knows exactly the depth and breadth

00:46:20.200 of the afterlife it is you know perhaps the most mysterious thing but we do know some things and

00:46:32.020 are the things that we know in general there is for most people three basic things that

00:46:40.980 can happen for the vast majority of people your soul returns to the halls of your ancestors

00:46:51.080 and there you commune with your ancestors you look on after your descendants and whatever

00:46:59.780 else there is for you to do there um we will all find out one day but in general that is one concept

00:47:09.700 but even amongst that there is a degree of elevation it's like when you're on the other

00:47:15.300 side and your ancestors like i guess he's one of ours all right and they kind of take you in

00:47:22.260 that's one thing if they're like you know they prepare a seat for you and you are

00:47:27.300 you know they're so happy to see you because you're awesome you can be exalted in that way as

00:47:34.180 as alphar or dc as a alpha or a ds to look on and serve the tribe of your ancestors

00:47:43.140 by watching out for your descendants your ancestral lands things that way

00:47:48.820 if you are a hero or someone that the gods particularly give their favor to or want to

00:47:55.380 elevate they can elevate you and you can ascend to be something more than you are

00:48:01.460 that we see in stories where it talks about coming to the halls of the gods and any place

00:48:07.300 in between mortal and and that realm that they feel you've you've warranted ascension to or

00:48:14.100 that they on our whim decide to put you at um but the

00:48:19.140 the awful situation is if you have so disgusted through your deeds both your ancestors and the

00:48:29.620 iceter that nobody wants to claim you and that your the existence of your soul as a person

00:48:40.340 is detrimental to the value of our folks existence

00:48:45.460 then we see where it talks about uh the corpse strand mouse strand that's where we hear about

00:48:56.820 the venom and nidhogger ripping you know sucking the blood of the corpses and the wolf ripping them

00:49:03.860 asunder that's about breaking down the individual into your component parts to be recycled into the

00:49:10.100 folk soul that hopefully they can be put to better use next time. And we all want to avoid that by

00:49:17.260 being people that our ancestors and our gods are proud of.

00:49:26.640 Just as a side note, because it was something I was writing something on last, yeah, last night.

00:49:40.100 oh a couple of things we should probably hit before we get back into it do you have a couple

00:49:43.380 of questions they're not necessarily glued to where we're at in the lore but i think they're

00:49:48.820 they're interesting and and something to get to on here we have an odyssey question

00:49:54.980 appreciate all our listeners over on odyssey we would like to hear from you guys more i'm glad

00:49:59.460 you asked a question uh the winter ghost if genuine psychics can communicate with spirit

00:50:06.340 knowledge, with spirits for knowledge, I wonder whether it is possible that a medium or two,

00:50:14.060 preferably Scandinavian, could connect to ancestors of the folk soul and recover the

00:50:20.180 lost myths and lore through the process called psychography. Possibly possible or extremely

00:50:29.420 far-fetched um pot first possible absolutely um it's it's funny there's and i'm sure psychologically

00:50:40.300 there's a word for this when and these may seem like silly examples but they paint the picture

00:50:48.080 if you ask most people if they believe that aliens exist certainly they do it's a billions

00:50:57.440 of stars and galaxies and infinite universe sure somewhere out there there's life most people don't

00:51:02.400 have trouble thinking that's fine and signing off on it okay cool but do aliens come here and abduct

00:51:10.080 people well no that's that's absurd the distance between that is interesting we also have that with

00:51:18.400 you know any number of other things you know does someone believe in ghosts well yes okay cool so

00:51:25.200 can the ghost you know turn lights on in your house i'm sure okay i could buy that could happen

00:51:31.360 but at what point do you visualize that you're sitting in front of the light switch and watching

00:51:37.840 it physically move from on to off or off to on people have a lot more trouble when you put it

00:51:44.480 in concrete terms and any of the things that are relevant in our lore we we celebrate and buy on

00:51:54.240 to much easier if they happened in the distant past and we have so much more skepticism or feel

00:52:02.800 much more uncomfortable with them if they're going on in our future in our present like right before

00:52:09.200 our eyes so yeah most people that call themselves mediums if they were to sit there and do that i

00:52:16.000 think many of us would probably chuckle or find it silly or find it preposterous for a lot of

00:52:21.760 different reasons i think we live in a time to where there is a a cynicism a distrust a skepticism

00:52:34.000 about all of the things um

00:52:41.840 i think that we are very removed from living a spiritual existence and so many

00:52:49.440 of us either overtly or just by happenstance tend to be brought up in a

00:52:59.200 secular or atheistic mind frame and i think that the society in the west for a very long time has

00:53:05.520 done that so it's it's harder for us to open ourselves to those things but certainly we

00:53:13.120 believe our ancestors could so i absolutely believe that people could now um

00:53:21.760 i also think that you know most of these things probably transcend language i could see if it

00:53:29.040 was incumbent that a spirit was speaking a scandinavian language for a scandinavian

00:53:34.000 speaker to be the medium but realistically i think that could happen with any of our folk

00:53:40.240 and i don't think geography is a factor i think we are exactly as many generations removed from

00:53:48.160 the original practitioners of our faith than you know someone in scandinavia and i think

00:53:56.240 if we want to seriously look at that our faith goes much beyond when our folk migrated to

00:54:02.240 scandinavia by that now you know by that logic why not someone in in germany why not somebody in the

00:54:09.040 caucuses um but either way yes i think those things could definitely happen i think the more

00:54:17.680 we evolve as a folk to view the world through a spiritual lens i think the tighter that we build

00:54:25.040 our relationship to the isir the more that opens up as a very real reality and so i absolutely

00:54:33.120 believe that's a thing now would i be very hesitant to believe a lot of people who had

00:54:40.560 suspicious claims with it absolutely but the the details are what matter in the context of what

00:54:47.120 matter there are a number of folks that if they were to tell me that i'd put great stock in what

00:54:52.560 they had to say so i don't think that's a ludicrous thing to ask at all what are your thoughts on that

00:55:00.160 well i i think that i mean we do have in essence um a medium practice within our our faith i think

00:55:10.560 that anybody that's um a little bit familiar with uh say that or at least the revitalized

00:55:19.600 traditions of saver which is very very scant and few and far between um you'll have a lot

00:55:25.440 of people that will try to level that it's you know uh evil uh witchcraft of of ausitru if you

00:55:33.760 will um but the overall reinvigoration of um saver is uh is a medium work the uh the ability to take

00:55:48.240 spirits within um to open oneself up and then embrace those spirits and speak forth but every

00:55:57.040 um ever any type of work that i have ever experienced in relation to say there is that it is

00:56:04.560 not um specific very rarely specific um and uh so i wonder you know again when we get into some of the

00:56:18.240 meat and potatoes and the and the translations and so on and so forth you know i don't and this is

00:56:24.640 just again me from my experience with say that and and it's working uh and how it works it doesn't

00:56:31.280 seem to correlate completely um i think that another thing that's interesting is a lot of

00:56:39.440 that which comes from the ancestors and that which comes from the lower realm is very much

00:56:47.120 unabided by the things that hold the middle or Midgard together. So I think that a lot of the

00:56:56.000 ways in which our ancestors commune with us no longer hold true to certain norms,

00:57:02.800 like even the concept of language itself and the facets of order that keep Midgard going.

00:57:12.160 instead that's why we often you know have run-ins with our ancestors whether they're in dreams

00:57:19.280 or whether they're in visions or what have you in which they are um hard to define sometimes

00:57:26.800 scary um because again our correlation to death with them can oftentimes be uh veiled with with

00:57:35.840 these emotional languages or these uh spiritual languages that come from you know deep and

00:57:42.640 primordial feelings that we have these these back of the the deep part of the soul is interacting

00:57:49.120 with an ancestor and it's not often done in just simple hey how you doing here's a you know here's

00:57:56.640 a notebook um it always seems to have you know a great amount of um i guess vagueness but

00:58:05.680 but more feeling emotion and kind of an inter or an immediate connection of understanding

00:58:11.520 what the ancestors perhaps trying to convey is understood, but it's never spoken of.

00:58:17.880 Sometimes their faces are obfuscated and, you know, but you get an idea of what is going on.

00:58:25.740 Very rarely do they, you know, and especially just in a, in a, or in a very unique way,

00:58:30.760 they sometimes do speak to us. And I've met many people who have spoken of the fact that

00:58:35.560 have dreams of their ancestors speaking to them but it's usually only you know a few words uh kind

00:58:42.680 of a again a reinforcement or perhaps like a lost sense of something from the middle world that

00:58:49.400 doesn't isn't necessary anymore for them so i don't know i don't know about the transference

00:58:55.480 and then also two hours ago that you said it is um if like if i was up here claiming like

00:59:01.320 you know these translations came to me while i was um you know under the cloak or something of that

00:59:09.080 nature um you know yeah there'd be a there'd be a good amount and and a relative sense of of

00:59:15.000 speculation uh speculation that would come with that that should come with that and i think some

00:59:19.960 of the books that you might run into uh on the market or even from the 80s and 90s is that there

00:59:28.520 was a lot of kind of um more interpretive emotional senses of people saying like well

00:59:36.360 you know the gods spoke to me in this way and um i think again there's there is a right time for

00:59:44.760 that and i think me and i was here really have talked about this a lot is what you know at what

00:59:52.040 point do you you want to believe and know and we do know in a lot of cases from our personal

00:59:59.720 experiences but when we talk to someone else and they say something or oh you know the gods told

01:00:04.760 me this if they're shooting you know flat out um i don't think that that's genuine you know if the

01:00:10.360 gods are speaking to you you find that often more in in many different layered ways and again

01:00:15.320 again, Midgard is the place of time. Ausgard in heaven is the place above time. And the ancestors

01:00:24.840 are below time. So they're kind of out of, and they have a tendency to work in different ways

01:00:29.980 than the way we conceive the gods working, or the ancestors. So I don't know. Again,

01:00:38.420 if it was done and somebody said word for word, you know, this is what I was told,

01:00:42.640 there's an all approach here as far as possibilities gods can do what they want

01:00:51.340 they're gods and they're powerful if one of them wanted to appear before me right now and say hey

01:00:55.680 grab a pen and paper i got a story to tell you that would be amazing i don't necessarily think

01:01:03.160 there's a high likelihood of that but i'm also not going to put limitations on the possibilities of

01:01:10.420 the might of our gods. But yeah, typically these things have come in the form of sparks of

01:01:20.460 inspiration or dreams or vague feelings. And their truth has been borne out through

01:01:28.540 comparison with other trusted people who've had similar things or that the truth rings through

01:01:38.700 in experiences that they've had it's hard to tell because the line between

01:01:46.460 touched by the gods and crazy is very very thin and sometimes you find people that

01:01:53.180 depending on the time of day or on either side of that line um the other thing what we really need

01:02:02.220 and we are building towards and hoping to develop is a living tradition

01:02:10.780 that encourages this in a healthy way there is a combination of things that are

01:02:18.700 necessary for an optimal relationship like that to happen you need somebody first who is wired

01:02:25.660 towards that who has an inclination or an ability in that way you also need that person to be well

01:02:35.180 versed in our lore well versed in the touchstones that would make sense of the messages they get

01:02:44.380 you also need somebody who's building a relationship with our gods who's well

01:02:48.780 well tied in to that gift cycle in that relationship so in the past in the modern

01:02:58.920 history of ossature we have people that are scholastically advanced but haven't built

01:03:07.200 the religious relationship with our gods or also are not practitioners and do not have

01:03:16.860 inclination towards that situation or you have people that maybe do have some inclination towards

01:03:26.360 that situation but want a shortcut as opposed to developing all those other things they just

01:03:32.560 jump right in and start with crystals and rocks and pass the rune tick tock nonsense with it

01:03:41.740 and it's kind of frittered away with frivolity.

01:03:47.780 Also, the Sather thing seems to be a haven

01:03:50.540 for a lot of homosexual gentlemen.

01:03:54.540 That was a very prominent thing in the 90s and the early 2000s

01:03:59.960 that I think that level of ill health

01:04:03.080 doesn't encourage meaningful interaction in this way either.

01:04:09.240 There's a lot of different ways,

01:04:10.780 But no, absolutely, I think that can happen. I think that where it may come through very subtly and in brief glimpses to us now, the more we build that relationship with our gods, I think it will come through clearer and better over time.

01:04:25.040 So certainly, I think that will happen.

01:04:27.860 Next question.

01:04:31.340 Just getting through some of these because we have them here. We'll get back to the text.

01:04:34.040 This next one, and we'll go back into it.

01:04:37.040 from emily in florida mike wants to know if he wears the ulterior gothic disapproval muscle shirt

01:04:45.700 to the hof is that considered ulterior gothic disapproval yeah he would have to wear it inside

01:04:52.260 out so disapproval is facing him for not dressing appropriately in the hof unless the ac breaks down

01:05:01.180 Now, y'all are in Florida. I like dressing up, but I will tell you what, at Sigurheim, I could not. I was wearing a tank top and shorts, and I sweat all the way through both to where they were dripping.

01:05:15.980 So, no AC. You can wear it right side out. You wear it in there with the AC functioning properly. You got to wear it inside out.

01:05:25.140 All right, with that silliness aside, let's get back into our text, if you will.

01:05:35.460 Okay.

01:05:36.900 So, just to give people some kind of insights to with, like, the river names are, again, deeply mixed.

01:05:50.820 You can see the Elvegar, or the 11 rivers from the underworld, are intermixed throughout the stanzas.

01:05:59.940 So that kind of, again, emphasizes the point that it is very, very, you know, mixed up.

01:06:08.760 But it kind of comes to an end here in stanza 29.

01:06:18.000 Yeah, that we just covered. That Cormt and Orr are the two twin rivers that are sourced together, that flow. Again, and we've already established that we know other rivers that flow throughout heaven, including Thund, because it is mentioned by Lord Odin that Thund wraps around Valhalla.

01:06:42.700 so you know that the the idea is that as the poet is painting these pictures our ancestors

01:06:51.940 understood this there was a land in which it was and the rivers flowed through it um and i think it

01:06:58.200 is interesting that you know that there are the uh 11 above and 11 below we know for a fact there

01:07:03.920 are 11 below but the reason why i placed the 11 in the uppers was because of the placement of the

01:07:11.120 names whereas in the middle realm we have the river theme the thin river veen the wine river

01:07:19.760 thol the patient river hole the holy river um and it goes on and on the river ruled by the people

01:07:28.960 the useful river the netting river um all of these names are correlated to time cyclic nature

01:07:39.840 the nature of the folk in their usage of it um so on and so forth or they're very matter of fact

01:07:45.200 like strand is simply just the river beach or the beach that has i mean the river that has

01:07:52.320 beaches upon its side it's a very very um uh matter of fact whereas like again in in in uh

01:08:00.960 verse 28, when we talk about Silkur and Ilkur. That's the slurping river and the gloom river,

01:08:10.460 or the river of gloom inducing. That's another one that I went through. So looking at the word

01:08:19.560 Ilk, a lot of times, most people translated that as the sighting of a female wolf. And

01:08:29.720 it took me a long while to figure out what they were referring to and uh specifically in the poem

01:08:36.760 and i think that they missed the mark it's not a female wolf it's the sighting of one and what

01:08:43.740 does the sighting of a female wolf mean that you have baby wolves and that you have an issue

01:08:51.040 uh to deal with and there is this foreboding sense of seeing that you're going to have to deal with

01:08:58.640 a long um protracted situation and it it it brings you down it's kind of like a doom setting so um

01:09:12.080 in that instance you know like when you go and look it up you'll see a lot of this kind of

01:09:16.400 brought about where it's like oh it's the sighting of a female wolf and

01:09:19.600 it makes no sense in in in the flat but when you start to look at the haiti and start to look at

01:09:24.960 at the poetic feeling. Ilkir is about just seeing it gives you doom. It's the drawing down.

01:09:37.280 So, and they're all mixed up. And thankfully, like I said, Nick is going to post it up. There is one

01:09:44.060 mistake in mind with the rivers of Midgard, number 12, the non-river. I have that translation,

01:09:53.280 but I can't find it right now. And I really, really wish I had it. But so on that list,

01:09:58.280 it's going to say not known yet. And that's because I was still working through all of them.

01:10:04.500 Um, so 27, 28, and 29 are the river, um, uh, stanzas, if you will. And, uh, again,

01:10:17.860 if you know the Alvear, you can pull those apart and then work through the others. And you see

01:10:22.260 that there are, excuse me, 11 that are kind of, um, you know, dealing with luck and dealing with

01:10:30.840 being, um, judged or, or, or what have you. And then in the middle one, it's, it's the netting

01:10:37.080 river, the waving river, the, the hungry river. So, um, we'll move into stanza 30, but I think

01:10:46.640 if Nick could post those. These are my translations. And I know too, I would, I did a piece on

01:10:55.960 Twitter or X covering this and I believe my translation is there as well. And the one that

01:11:05.040 is missing. So not to beat a dead horse, we'll move to horses.

01:11:16.640 In stanza 30, we start to see Lord Othyn talking about the horses of the gods.

01:11:23.340 And again, knowing the rivers is about Lord Othyn being able to explain his knowledge of that.

01:11:33.180 And again, understanding, it's like knowing the vehicles of the gods, the points of their movement,

01:11:41.780 is another kind of flex, and of course it's for the poet to know the names of the gods' horses.

01:11:53.340 So we have, in 30, we have Glav and Giller, Glayer and Skidbrimer, Silfrintop, Sinur, Gissel,

01:12:14.800 let me see yeah gisul fall hofner gold top let fatty on these steeds the god shall go when doomed

01:12:29.720 to give each day they ride to the ash tree yggdrasil again reference towards the fact that

01:12:36.460 The gods are moving towards the tree upon their horses to the tree in the center of heaven to the to the well where they're going to sit in their doom seats and look upon the world beneath and meet out their doom.

01:12:53.040 And doom is another word that it's worth noting that means kind of the inevitableness, not bad.

01:13:00.540 It's the that which you gain from your deeds, whether good or ill.

01:13:04.540 So it's more of a neutral daima.

01:13:14.160 So in this here, we have like Baldr's horse is letfiti, where it's said that springs of water come from the hooves of Baldr's horse.

01:13:29.100 Gold top, of course, is Lord Heimdall's.

01:13:32.640 It means golden top.

01:13:34.540 silver top um and so they're they're poetic heighties towards all of the um the gods um

01:13:43.420 horses um of course like glather means glad or you know joyous one um you know a golden and shining

01:13:54.700 strong and and um like senior means like strong and tawny uh when you see the muscles ripping

01:14:03.500 rippling underneath the horse's skin and uh you know this is a good trait and these are all again

01:14:09.660 very very um poignant towards our ancestors and seeing that the gods rode on strong vehicles

01:14:18.460 strong modes of transportation and movement that were extensions of their of their their uh power

01:14:25.500 much like in many other polytheistic religions where we speak about the vehicle of Aryan

01:14:34.380 religions in particular, and the vehicle of the gods. So that's 30. We move into 31.

01:14:47.140 Now there is some confusion here on this translation. And I think that this might

01:14:52.540 simply be a typo because of the clarification and other works that speak of it repeatedly

01:15:04.600 in a different way. Three routes there are that three ways run. Neath the ash tree, Yggdrasil.

01:15:14.760 So this is the one that, when we speak of the first that lives in hell, that the underworld is often referred to as Helgard, Helheim, but it's also on the edge of Niflheim, the misty nether.

01:15:44.760 Um, hell just means that, you know, that which is shrouded and beneath. So this would correlate to Fergelmer, the, um, the torrent of the souls, uh, the, the, the well, the spring. Um, and of course, Snorri paints this as being, you know, serpents and Nidogur.

01:16:04.280 Um, but again, I think he, in this case, and I'm not, uh, waving that down or, or even, you know, accusing him is that, yes, there was definitely Christian overtones when he, um, painted the, the, the, the poetry of the underworld, especially in relation to, you know, the, the foreign religion, the, the, uh, you know, Judaic sect that he was a part of, um, clearly painted the, the, the world of death.

01:16:32.960 uh as you know a very different place and they had done that even since the romans

01:16:38.300 or the greeks and the romans and the and the latin translations of the bible um they again

01:16:43.680 took those words and you know painted their own um uh views on it the only good thing i could say

01:16:52.800 is that he he clearly um did not paint on like the the hellfire of um of uh gehenna or what have

01:17:01.460 from that religion. Instead, he kept true to the idea that it's a place of stillness,

01:17:05.540 a place of coldness, a place that is away from time. So, neath the last are the lands of men.

01:17:14.760 The only way that I have kind of speculated this is that the flowing of earth's well and the root

01:17:24.340 in heaven is above um the the lands of men and below it is the lands of men so i've kind of

01:17:33.700 taken this to mean that like the third root is in the upper realm and beneath that root flows or

01:17:40.660 walks the lands of men um and again referencing towards the idea that lerda means stepping over

01:17:47.220 or having a kind of arcing sense to it um and it's worth noting that what yggdrasil is is again the

01:17:53.300 cosmological circulatory system and we see how the the roots represent those contact points um

01:18:03.940 so you know again virgil murder and then neath the second the frost giants um of course is in

01:18:12.100 the east this is mimir's well that's the well in which lord odin and most people are familiar with

01:18:17.140 the story where he rips out his eye and places it in the well um that is most likely the reference

01:18:23.860 that they're referring to so i i honestly believe that this is either an odd translation or in

01:18:33.940 reference to the route above the lands of men which would then be the heavenly route

01:18:39.620 but you know that's i don't have the answers all the time so it's it's kind of like one of those

01:18:47.960 that i'm still still working on so now we begin to go a little bit into yggdrasil and a little

01:18:57.520 bit of the inner workings of the cosmological circulatory system um and now we have the one

01:19:04.780 who can go through all the realms as well it is ratatosk in 32 ratatosk is the squirrel who there

01:19:15.820 shall run on the ash tree yggdrasil from above the words of the eagle he bears and tells them to need

01:19:23.900 aug beneath so we have the again where where things go and why they go the connection between

01:19:34.860 the top and the bottom being maintained uh the the the the heavenly souls that preside over

01:19:44.300 on the top of the tree um the eagle and the hawk we have the middling soul the one that goes back

01:19:51.420 and forth and then we have the nethering soul which is knee dog and um again it's placing

01:19:58.380 poetic connection between the top and the bottom that ultimately creates the circular pattern

01:20:06.460 rata tossed means chattering teeth um and kind of goes along with the idea that that it's

01:20:14.860 talking um i always have kind of taken this to to be the spirit of life itself and how it

01:20:22.840 moves from the top to the bottom and back again and maintaining this ordered balance between two

01:20:30.040 polarities um i don't know i i find it very interesting that it you know ratatas is um

01:20:39.740 in the shape of a squirrel. It's kind of fun. It's definitely one that I always kind of incorporate

01:20:46.100 into any drawings or charts of Yggdrasil. It's worth remembering that Hrathatosk is there,

01:20:55.100 maintaining that balance. The juxtaposition between the eagle and Middhauger is

01:21:05.180 It's important, too. I mentioned the processes of death. I guess the a symbol of ascension of the soul is the eagle.

01:21:26.180 We see Allfather Odin take an eagle form when he ascends from the mountain after his quest for the mead.

01:21:37.280 And that's how he returns it to Ausgarther.

01:21:41.700 The concept of the eagle as taking flight and ascending certainly symbolizes the soul's ascension into something more and something better.

01:21:53.240 just as at the bottom at the you know at the root you have the you know the gaping maw of

01:22:01.200 nidhogger consuming and sucking the blood from the corpses and destroying and dissolving the soul

01:22:08.360 so i think that's a very interesting i don't know and beautiful way to describe

01:22:17.040 describe those two polarities in, you know, the evolution or devolution of, of man.

01:22:32.680 Here we have some clarification that needs to be done. We already know that Eichtherner is

01:22:41.900 mentioned as one of the hearts so the question that a lot of people have is is ike thierner

01:22:47.980 a haiti for one of the four that are mentioned here now or are there five but again these are

01:22:55.180 where we start to see some of those miswritings or these kind of kind of little things that are

01:23:02.860 not quite and again it's because written and composed uh many many years after there's

01:23:10.700 there's lots of, you know, issues and problems. There's pieces that were placed in from other

01:23:17.200 pieces sometimes. So here we speak in 33, four hearts there are that the highest twigs nibble

01:23:25.640 with necks bent back. Dayan and Dvalin, Dunir and Drirathor. That's a, that's a tough one.

01:23:36.360 Um, and again, the, um, the missing parts of 33, um, I have, um, some translations from Boog or Booga, I don't know how it's exactly pronounced, I think it's Boog, um, that there may have been a reference to exactly how these Dvergar became these hearts and, um,

01:24:06.360 We noticed that nothing ever kind of within the circle, within the circulatory system, nothing simply disappears.

01:24:14.600 Nothing simply goes away, but is converted or transitioned into another place or another thing.

01:24:22.720 And we see this, you know, again, I've always taken that the eagle and the hawk are the souls of the originating Isir.

01:24:31.820 That it is the original father and mother, the deus father and deus mother, is Bor and Vestla, and that their souls ascended as the hawk and the eagle.

01:24:50.740 And here we see, again, the story of the Dvergar being shifted into hearts for some reason.

01:24:57.140 And always painted as these deer, these hearts are not seen as something good or something that's establishing order, but instead are nibbling away at the cosmic order that is the tree.

01:25:14.260 This is fun. What is the origin of the dwarves?

01:25:17.160 so the dvergar are in in um in the creation stories of how they are they come about is that

01:25:27.860 they are first the maggots that twist and turn in the flesh of email cool i appreciate that

01:25:36.900 what what no what i what when i set you up you spike it and that's that's what i think

01:25:44.200 So here's the thing. The dwarves weren't like midgets that mine under the earth didn't transform out of literal maggots. And there's not actual like venison chewing on actual leaves.

01:26:02.180 Both of these things, though, talk about, and I will go more into this when we talk more about Yggdrasil here, but the perpetual refreshing of something, lest it rot and wither and die.

01:26:23.520 maggots eat the rotting of a corpse they are among the many things that cause decomposition

01:26:32.680 of things they eat away the dead flesh they consume that and you know over time

01:26:40.300 all traces of something disappear because they get consumed these hearts are endlessly

01:26:48.100 eaten at this tree and causing damage to it. There's more to it here, but I think that

01:26:56.020 the symbolism does transfer over between so many of the negative forces in our cosmos

01:27:07.160 are described as eaters, devourers, ravenous,

01:27:14.340 eggns, about consumption and eating away our existence.

01:27:22.300 If you look at the death of the gods in Ragnarok,

01:27:30.940 those deaths come about by poison that dissolves

01:27:34.720 by being devoured by the wolf. The wolves seek to eat and devour the sun. This forcing of

01:27:42.800 chaos consuming and eating away at the good and the ordered existence in the world is a very,

01:27:49.680 very important theme that we see again and again in the lore, and I think it's,

01:27:53.920 I don't know, worth highlighting here. Yeah, and this part too is again lost in

01:28:00.160 in these sections thereafter are kind of lost with uh they speak of one singular heart and

01:28:09.100 then they expand out to the four they speak of one singular serpent but now they they soon expand out

01:28:14.060 and this is a part that has confused a lot of people um and have left in essence um perhaps

01:28:22.060 these names are in relation to other stories and they have lost their significance because the

01:28:27.680 stories were lost, or were not able to be, you know, written down. But I, I was looking at 34,

01:28:42.940 or excuse me, yeah, I did say, yeah, in 34, there are more serpents there are beneath the ash. And

01:28:52.680 And I think this is important to understand, like what Al-Sherry Gauthier was just saying

01:28:57.360 about the dissipation factors that have to be present on all three levels.

01:29:02.840 The three levels is an emphasis point that is never, ever lost in our mythos and really

01:29:09.500 in any other Aryan mythos.

01:29:11.640 We have the upper realm, the middle realm, and the lower realm.

01:29:16.280 we have um hell herself the least um you know it's still dissipative obviously breaking of wholeness

01:29:26.120 with death but the least problematic or the least threatening is placed and given stewardship over

01:29:32.680 the souls in the middle we have jorman gander and he is again in stasis uh kind of or catalystic

01:29:43.480 i mean he's he's in this state of being held but is on the edges of of just destroying everything

01:29:49.960 the moment and then the dweller in the fens fenrir or fenris is brought into heaven itself

01:29:59.240 so again in our stories these these dissipated forces and it is the least threatening at the time

01:30:06.440 what becomes the most threatening these forces and the upper middle and lower are very very

01:30:14.840 important and so here we see low if you will um so more serpents there are beneath the ash

01:30:30.600 than an unwise ape would think i love that one the the translation there is

01:30:39.240 um yeah witless a witless ape uh uh you know a buffoon or a crude person um

01:30:48.040 um there is going or mowing or going and mowing grave near suns grabak uh and grave

01:31:03.080 volus ovnir and swafnir shall ever me thinks gnaw at the twigs of the tree

01:31:12.040 and again the usage of the word trigs kind of twigs meaning of course the the offshoots the um

01:31:19.160 the the branches thereof and um when you look at a lot of these you know uh one of the things that

01:31:28.020 i've always kind of stuck out in my mind was svafnir and the dragon fafnir in um uh the

01:31:37.940 Volsanka saga, or the Sigurd story where he fights the dragon Fafnir. And kind of seeing a little bit

01:31:48.000 of, like, Gravviknir. Again, the wolf. I need to look the Grav part up. But here we see, again,

01:32:01.320 it's a point of dissipative force we see that even in heaven fenris has gotten in and has been

01:32:08.360 taken back out uh but we still see the hearts that that uh nibble upon the tree so in every level

01:32:16.120 there is a a constant state of dissipation from the ordering of the universe and here we see the

01:32:23.880 the serpents nib you know gnawing and twisting on the the root the connective root the support

01:32:29.880 root the tap root that is in the underworld and what ultimately would break the cycle if that

01:32:36.760 root is severed and there is no allocation for ascendancy after death then the soul might of

01:32:44.200 the folk would be cut and that would greatly deter or kind of not deter but in essence for the

01:32:56.040 the sake of story and the understanding of why the gods have reasoning why the gods uh interact

01:33:02.840 with the folk why the soul is important removing that third root would greatly cause a detriment

01:33:10.600 to the upper world where that root goes um and i think that that's that's lost on a lot of people

01:33:17.240 i think when they try to paint the yggdrasil as being this kind of the all the roots are in the

01:33:23.560 underworld no the reason why this root in specific the one in the lower realm is being

01:33:28.840 gnawed upon and trying to be broken it's because it would break the cycle that exists throughout

01:33:34.680 the entire cosmos um and generally too when we speak of worms and serpents the under under the

01:33:43.160 earth the slithering uh curling and moving things if you will um you know dragons is just definitely

01:33:53.160 kind of the way we you know the worm the worms are kind of the uh go-to um representation but

01:34:03.080 these things are the coiling things the the pieces that sift and and grind through the earth

01:34:14.200 uh let's see

01:34:15.160 so we're moving into 36 all right so before we go into 36

01:34:22.800 um i want to revisit the point i was making previous um

01:34:31.360 so the cosmic tree that orders the worlds that supports existence that

01:34:42.260 is life to our ordered existence as Arian people with Arian gods

01:34:49.720 is personified by this tree.

01:34:53.920 It is constantly under assault by the forces of decay and rot.

01:35:03.360 If nothing is done to it and everyone stops,

01:35:08.140 it rots it withers it dies and it is consumed by the forces of chaos

01:35:15.840 if the forces in the cosmos stop spinning the wolves devour the sun and the moon

01:35:25.800 this this is the meta meaning behind victory never sleeps in order to win it is a constant

01:35:42.200 process that we need to win every single day we always need to be moving forward because when we

01:35:51.060 stop entropy leads to decay leads to destruction our lore teaches that in countless ways over and

01:36:02.980 over and over but what keeps yggdrasil healthy and flourishing is

01:36:12.500 our gods and us perpetually doing right action and doing good things we keep our ordered cosmos

01:36:25.280 healthy by enacting the mysteries of the rhido room our deeds go into the well

01:36:35.180 So the Nornir stand around that well and bathe the tree and feed the tree and tend the tree.

01:36:45.540 They tend it with the waters of our deeds, our actions, what we put into that well.

01:36:52.760 That's what makes our world beautiful or that's what allows it to go to crap.

01:37:00.220 So it's very important what we do.

01:37:03.480 This is writ large, the smaller ritual that we do during Sambul.

01:37:11.580 During Sambul, that horn represents that well that feeds the tree of our existence, of our Hymenia.

01:37:19.400 When we fill the horn with bright words and with our victories and with good things,

01:37:27.580 then our Hymenia, our bond as folk, grows strong.

01:37:30.960 If people are drunk and say stupid things over it, if they're disrespectful or impious over it, if they make oaths that they can't or won't or don't fulfill over it, then we're all made less because of it.

01:37:48.260 And it's feeding poison to our tree. That's why we take that very seriously. But that's the deeper meaning, one of the deeper meanings behind our sumble ritual that we do.

01:38:00.960 carry on i just wanted to make that point i'm sure i will repeat myself a bunch on that but

01:38:10.780 i think the lore repeats it and i think they do it's done that way for a reason

01:38:14.300 well and i here in this in this next part and or just to kind of concur with what you're saying

01:38:22.260 Um, there is so much that we allocate towards kind of, uh, replaying mythic truths from the naming ceremonies and, you know, pulling the runes and, uh, as we speak over and stumble and the, the, the obligation.

01:38:43.080 And I, sometimes I say that with a little tentative hesitation, um, when people think

01:38:48.820 of faith as being, uh, you know, obligation, but I think it is again, what we've spoken

01:38:54.740 of before it's that debt of on placed within us.

01:38:59.080 And it's our, um, duty, if you will, if some people don't like the word obligation, but

01:39:05.000 it's that duty of maintaining that the roots, maintaining the ever flowing, uh, worth towards

01:39:12.720 the gods. And even after this long drought, even more so returning our people back to their proper

01:39:18.920 faith is, yeah, that maintenance. So in stanza 36, for those that might not know, this is the

01:39:32.920 list of the Valkyrie or the Valkyries, the carriers of the chosen, the carrier, the ones who are

01:39:42.080 chosen are, are, are carried up. And, um, you get a lot of confusion when it comes to the Valkyries

01:39:51.340 because even some of the Asenir are listed as Valkyrie. And, um, Valkyrie are also referred

01:39:59.000 to oftentimes as Nornir. So that throws even more confusion on, but, uh, it is again, worth noting

01:40:06.300 that these these beings are deeply connected to the fates of souls that have been marked uh the

01:40:17.180 souls that have been given that sense of glory they are focused upon by the the the valkyrie

01:40:24.780 they are around um and they they ultimately um kind of consign your fate at the very end which

01:40:32.940 is where the root nor near like in icelandic it means witch but it's more about the twisting of

01:40:39.660 fate and the threads of fate um and so you can kind of see how that is related to the end of

01:40:46.540 life for a lot of those the folk that are chosen and um so we have uh uh the the shaking one

01:40:55.260 the the cloudy one we have the spear shaker the battle the strong you know um

01:41:00.940 um uh the the battle counselor if you will and um uh or even just um again uh uh ruling the the life

01:41:15.300 of majesty with ray and layve um it is the the i guess the dominion of um regency so all of the

01:41:26.700 names are very, very interesting, but I'll read it out here. So it's Christ and Mist bring the

01:41:31.820 horn at my will. And this is again, very, very important because he says my will. So to reemphasize

01:41:39.000 again, he is letting, um, letting King Geroth know how bad this is. So Christ and Mist bring

01:41:48.600 the horn at my will scaquered and school hilled and throughs look and here future

01:42:05.640 rand griff and roth griff and ray in lave beer to the warriors bring these are the valkyries um

01:42:15.480 I have a tendency to stick specifically to this list as opposed to some of the other

01:42:22.320 interpolations and where, again, I think Snorty 200 years after the fall or the conversion of

01:42:31.300 Iceland. And so a lot of the times titles were placed overly much on beings just to create

01:42:41.720 order and i think like for instance the goddess of healing the our senior of healing um is air

01:42:48.920 and she's listed as a valkyrie at one point so um so again referencing to my will um and then we

01:42:59.480 move to more cosmological uh in 37 uh arvac and all sweet or is our varker and ours leader in 37

01:43:15.800 our vac and all speed up shall drag weary the weight of the sun but an iron cool have the

01:43:25.000 kindly gods of your set under their yokes so i mean this is again cosmic lore speaking of the

01:43:35.240 sun and in particular if anybody's familiar with um perhaps uh i guess proto-indo-european

01:43:45.160 projections of what faith might be for our our you know longest ancestors of old um and generally

01:43:53.480 the idea that there's, you know, twin horses drawing the sun, uh, twin white horses as a

01:43:59.080 reference. Um, that is not mentioned here, but, um, like in art, I would, you know, clearly place

01:44:06.120 the two white horses, but there's no mention of, of them in the projected ideas that they're the

01:44:12.260 sun, the sons, the twin sons of, um, you know, sky father or, or the gods themselves. Um, it is

01:44:20.960 just mentioned that they are our vac which means uh some people have translated it to early waker

01:44:26.500 but it could also mean seasonal waker or year waker uh again mentioning the idea that the

01:44:32.260 rotation of the the sun had as much importance as the moon that there was the the lunar calendar

01:44:39.140 wasn't the the mainstay in the nordic lands the the sun or at least the measuring of daylight was

01:44:46.220 also very very important and then there's all swift and the gods placed within the yoke something

01:44:54.380 to keep the sun from uh burning to the point of of uh of um consumption and this happens when in

01:45:05.900 a couple of ways also with um sunnah or soul's shield there is a shield and if you look at some

01:45:12.220 of the cosmological things when you see the kind of shield around the uh the earth uh i find this

01:45:19.100 you know pretty interesting when we the scientists start talking about how there are again an essence

01:45:24.700 a protective shield uh that keeps the sun from burning everything uh i find those similarities

01:45:33.820 uh kind of poignant towards how our ancestors were ultimately somewhere along the way long

01:45:41.340 into the back the gods or the first storyteller kvasir and the the tellings of the gods brought

01:45:49.500 with it secret knowledges that are slowly you know coming into clarity um

01:45:58.460 so 38 in front of the sun does swollen stand the shield for the shining god

01:46:08.380 God. Mountains and sea would be set in flames if it fell from before the sun.

01:46:19.720 So here we, the shield I mentioned is Svalen. And it's the protective force that keeps the

01:46:30.380 sun. And sometimes when we talk about cosmological things, again, the usage of the word shield for

01:46:36.340 shining god um the masculine sense of the word uh generally in most aryan faiths it's always a

01:46:44.900 feminine son she's the daughter of of the heavens she's the daughter of the the heavenly father um

01:46:52.660 the uh the idea that this is here this does bring into question a lot about

01:46:58.820 where our ancestors stood in relation to genders and the the the the the oust or the uh the oust

01:47:08.660 veneer or excuse me the um the hymn and voter the uh the heavenly wardens um but i think too that

01:47:14.500 this i don't know this this seems to be uh the usage of of the word in a neutral sense um in the

01:47:22.900 word skin on the godi but i'm still looking into some of that that's kind of an interesting stuff

01:47:27.620 and i'm kind of placing these out for people to look into them themselves if they're interested

01:47:32.500 you know these little things these little um threads um so now we we hear about the the sun

01:47:41.940 and next is 39 we talk about the dissipative forces in the in the middle world skull is the

01:47:50.980 wolf that ironwood follows the glittering god and the son of rovvitnir hati awaits burning bride the

01:48:01.060 burning bride of heaven so here again we see the glittering god and if we're talking about it in a

01:48:06.660 gender sense versus goddess um but i think that the translation is is more neutral um because it

01:48:13.700 later mentions that the, she is the bride of heaven, the coveted daughter of the heavenly

01:48:21.120 gods. And it is Hathi and Skull that are waiting for her, the time limit, the ultimate consumptive

01:48:29.420 force that's brewing in the edges of time, waiting for that moment. Very, very beautiful

01:48:36.160 the way it's written very ominous um and these parts again i i wonder if these were added later

01:48:44.960 or if they were just brought in again because they kind of lose focus

01:48:48.720 right before the very end and then it all is revealed so uh in 40 out of emir's flesh

01:48:59.360 um and a lot of people say wymir or ymir it's emir out of emir's flesh was fashioned the earth

01:49:10.980 and the ocean out of his blood of his bones the hills of his hair the trees of his skull

01:49:19.080 the heavens high the house see him in the uh lofty heavens um and i often you know emir skull

01:49:31.800 dellinger's hall um poetically i use them both interchangeably um the atmosphere you know um

01:49:42.360 so to continue on in 41 mentioned against keeping on with emir in 41 midgarth the gods from his

01:49:54.600 eyebrows made and set for the sons of men and out of his brain the baleful clouds they made to move

01:50:02.760 on high so the the ridging of the of the eyebrows the idea of the uh the kind of

01:50:12.360 uh raising of the mountains if you will uh that the the gods the specifically the three

01:50:21.880 the the three who are one oh then villian ve especially in the youngest parts of the of the

01:50:28.680 gods and the the war between the gods so this is in the beginning of things the shaping and

01:50:35.400 lord odin is saying that he knows this because he was there he was the one that did it and uh

01:50:42.360 you know uh the the the idea of emir's thoughts or brains being the baleful clouds the storming

01:50:51.340 clouds uh it's it's really worth noting that a lot of people get uh a miss or they get a

01:50:57.880 misconception about the gods when we speak about the gods having their dominions and their powers

01:51:03.360 and i'll see her go they brings it up very well that the gods can do what they will there is not

01:51:09.620 like a god of storms in the sense that that's all thor does it's it's like very similarly if if me

01:51:20.100 and alzeria go they both picked up the same pencil neither one of us is the person of that particular

01:51:26.660 pencil it's that all of these primordial powers that exist within the cosmos within the circulatory

01:51:33.060 system it's whether or not the beings have the power to utilize it so the otan have power to

01:51:40.580 utilize the primordial forces and so do the gods so do the ice here and that's really what's kind

01:51:47.540 of you know being said is that lord thor keeps balance within the world whether that that

01:51:56.500 balance is pressure whether that balance is you know atmospheric pressure or whether it's uh the

01:52:03.540 balance of of uh nature itself climate uh whatever you you know centering of the of the earth is that

01:52:12.260 lord thor is utilizing the primordial forces within his dominion and in so too all of the gods

01:52:20.500 when we speak of uh you know bountiful winds from from lord nyorder and there's often pictures

01:52:28.740 depicting lord lord nyorder as like carrying uh winds favorable winds in his in a bottle um

01:52:37.300 i think this is again referring to the fact that the gods have the ability to utilize

01:52:44.660 the primordial forces that they helped shape and came and gained dominion over and the reason why

01:52:51.220 the jotuns when they come in and kind of go against that order it is such a an egregious act

01:52:59.300 hence why lord thor needs to immediately reign and and uh crush and bring that back into balance for

01:53:07.380 for as long as, as he can. That's his watering of the roots of Yggdrasil, if you will, that

01:53:14.700 maintenance. This is an interesting, in 42, this is an interesting wording of text. I think people

01:53:25.580 take it a little too high in its meaning. And again, that's kind of interesting for me to say,

01:53:33.320 consider you like look deep into certain things, but it's just that there's mention specifically

01:53:38.680 of one of the, the holy gods, um, separate, but aligned with the gods in a way. So, uh,

01:53:47.880 his, the favor of Ul and of all the gods who first in the flames will reach for the house

01:53:56.740 can be seen by the sons of the gods if the kettle aside were cast so a couple of things

01:54:08.980 in this i i i think that this is a reference towards um uh speaking about agnar and his um

01:54:19.460 um you know turning away the flames or helping Lord Oden as he's you know being beleaguered

01:54:27.140 and tortured um I think it's very interesting because Lord Ullr does have a great amount of

01:54:34.520 significance I think above um or more so than our in our folk um that is given to especially

01:54:42.800 with place names and things of that specifically in Scandinavia so I don't know exactly why

01:54:49.460 You know, there's reference to Ullr and all the gods. But even today, when we place, when Lord Odin goes on the wild hunt, and Ullr takes kind of stead, and that meaning, of course, the time of winter, that is a very, very powerful thing, kind of referencing to that.

01:55:10.200 When Lord Odin becomes completely dynamic and enters into the middle world, it is the Lord of Winter that takes over.

01:55:17.420 Again, it could be simply just poetic, and I'm not saying there's a physical exchange or moving out of any of that notion.

01:55:25.360 It's just the poetic words speak of when Lord Odin moves, especially during the year, it is Ullr who presides over while he is gone.

01:55:40.200 So, yes, I think the reference here is speaking to Agnard himself as he frees Lord Odin.

01:55:47.900 In the days of old, in 43, did Evaldi's sons skidbladnir fashion, I know that's a tongue twister, skidbladnir, fashion fair, the best of ships for the bright god Frey, the noble son of Nyorth.

01:56:08.960 So remember, again, the reason why the poem is stating this is because it's for the poet to know Skidh Bladnir is the ship of Lord Frey. It was fashioned by Ivaldi's sons. And then it references, of course, to the story of the kinslayer Loki before his foul deed, you know, brought about the gifts that were given to the gods through some treachery.

01:56:37.920 um and that's that reference there um before we move on because i think it's a good um

01:56:45.680 a good spot the it kind of transitions i think in the next stanza here um

01:56:54.300 i want to get a get a couple of questions that we have on the side

01:56:58.900 both from finn wraith what do you well actually i'm going to answer his most recent question

01:57:07.140 first because i was just because i am so anyways do you think the people who promote anti-whiteism

01:57:15.060 and degeneracy could be serving the forces of chaos no i don't think that that's that just is

01:57:21.460 true that is it is true yeah that that's not an opinion that is that is absolutely fact um i think

01:57:31.220 some intentionally so i think many unintentionally so but that just is true um can i expound on that

01:57:40.020 with just one thought about you can but one thing i wanted to say just in relation to

01:57:45.220 what i talked about earlier about the tree

01:57:51.620 the tree represents our existence our our reality our world and i think when you see the state

01:57:59.140 things are in it's an indication that the tree has been poorly tended and so it's one of the

01:58:06.740 things that we're trying to do and one of the ways that we aim to fix things in this world

01:58:12.180 is by trying to tend the tree right again with right action with noble deed and with

01:58:18.980 um serving the forces of order daily go ahead um well i i've always poetically spoken of

01:58:33.220 the fact that you know va the vanaheim and jotunheim flow they in kind of in

01:58:42.740 imbibe the middle world with their forces. And it's interesting that Fenrir is moved from the

01:58:51.600 heavenly realm down into the Eastern realm, bound on an island in the Black Lake, and that his

01:58:57.840 frothing saliva drips into the lake. And I've always taken that as these forces of chaos,

01:59:07.520 especially the ones that are of mortal form um that are trying to deteriorate from the middle

01:59:15.440 are kind of again infected by the spit the saliva of fenris that consumptive nature of chaos and the

01:59:23.760 desire to just tear things apart or to erode them they are the the rust um accumulation um

01:59:32.880 that kind of is in their soul and i've always said you know that like and especially like in

01:59:38.640 reference with my children is like they've they've got they've got fenris's spit in them they have

01:59:45.920 this kind of foulness that just continues to work even though he is bound um and it's again a nature

01:59:54.480 of consumption it's a nature of of just endless hunger and nothing ever seems to fulfill and even

02:00:01.440 when they you know claim to be doing it in a beneficial sense they're they're again they're

02:00:06.320 all they are really doing is eroding trying to make things um instead of you know they make them

02:00:12.480 irrelevant or just relative to the point where they're no longer you know having purpose you

02:00:18.960 know bad guys aren't bad anymore good guys aren't really good anymore that kind of stuff even though

02:00:25.040 very subtle is part of that erosion that that that sense um you know mortals can be gods and

02:00:33.360 you know your your ancestors don't mean anything those kind of things just slowly erode at the

02:00:41.680 the uh poignant truths that our ancestors held on to so yeah 100 don't think it

02:00:47.200 it know it i just i've always i wanted to bring up that you know fenris's spit is is uh flowing

02:00:56.000 through them is kind of a i don't know that was a poetic thing i laid in on for that all right and

02:01:05.280 all and then uh back to an earlier question um what do you think about books or things people

02:01:13.360 have written online or videos where people talk about their personal experiences with the gods

02:01:26.240 it all depends on who and what they're saying um i i can't speak with one brush

02:01:37.200 trash on all of those things um touched on a little bit earlier uh most of the people

02:01:49.040 who i have heard saying that are blasphemous and ridiculous and their stuff is trash some

02:01:59.860 people that i've heard say that it's profound and i genuinely believe that they've interacted

02:02:05.860 with with the isir um to throw it all out and say it's all nonsense would be to disregard

02:02:14.500 you know experiences that i've had and the people that i greatly respect have had i think the tone

02:02:23.780 in which people describe them very often gives gives away the truth of it or not um

02:02:30.980 um you can tell when sorry

02:02:42.020 anyways you can cats are running around amok

02:02:48.180 you can tell you can tell when somebody is speaking with piety and they're not

02:02:54.260 not if you have been spoken to and had interaction with the I seer

02:03:05.420 then you know in your core in your bones in your blood of their existence and their divinity

02:03:15.140 you can't have had that experience and be flippant and disrespectful and whatever else

02:03:24.660 either out of fear out of reverence out of something you can't deal with a god

02:03:34.180 with just sarcastic silly woke nonsense you can't do that um

02:03:47.620 as i said one of the the things and i don't know if this goes to the story or not honestly i think

02:03:51.460 most of that's probably crap and i think every now and again you'll stumble upon somebody who

02:03:55.540 really has had some very important interaction and that's beautiful um i've mentioned one of the best

02:04:05.220 like most special things as a gothi that you experience is when you see in someone else's eyes

02:04:14.180 when our religion, our Aesir become real to them.

02:04:20.660 Not, oh, I think they're real.

02:04:22.320 I believe in gods, you know, whatever.

02:04:24.620 But when like their eyes are wide

02:04:27.560 and you can see that something happened transformative

02:04:30.400 within them to where their paradigm of the world

02:04:34.000 has fundamentally and forever changed.

02:04:36.960 And when you see that, it's really special

02:04:40.440 if you can be a part of facilitating that even more so.

02:04:47.560 What are your thoughts on the folks and their stories about their interactions with the gods?

02:04:54.840 Yeah, that's a mixed bag of things.

02:04:59.740 You find people, perhaps, if they had the intention of manipulation,

02:05:04.720 they'll say that you know they were substantiated by the gods in in x z you kind of see it again in

02:05:13.180 the substance in which it's brought up in the way that it's brought up and how much of the moving

02:05:19.180 sense um but i mean that's hard again to to look into with folks as they you know retell these

02:05:30.420 tales. It's even worse if it's on the internet, you can't see or hear anything about them.

02:05:36.800 I do believe that the gods interact with folks. But I also believe that in a lot of ways,

02:05:45.840 our minds and our souls reveal through imagery of the gods. And bear in mind, I'm not saying that

02:05:56.200 um the gods are um uh what do they call them uh in the freudian or jungian sense archetypes is that

02:06:07.720 the archetypes are based off of the gods in a lot of ways we still utilize of those interactions

02:06:14.520 i often wonder too if perhaps like i had a dream and we spoke about this with in uh earlier vns i

02:06:21.480 I had a dream about Lord Odin, but it was never stated.

02:06:25.460 It was an older man, you know, an obfuscated hat.

02:06:29.900 And I was a child at the time, even though I wasn't a child in the physical sense, but in the dream I was.

02:06:37.760 And I would correlate that to B, but I also wonder if that was a part of me understanding the initiatory process.

02:06:44.480 process i don't think it was lord odin specifically coming down to um i don't know tell me that this

02:06:54.320 is all going to start in essence that that lord odin is in us the gods are connected to us via the

02:07:03.040 on their ability to communicate even through uh the the ripples and and effects of these these

02:07:12.240 things without actually you know coming down and spawn real question do you think

02:07:19.840 do you genuinely not think that odin spoke to you in that dream or are you

02:07:30.480 too cautious and take it too seriously to risk sounding presumptuous

02:07:38.160 the latter absolutely okay so here's case in point

02:07:42.240 If Svahn were to say, hey, Matt, this thing happened to me, that's why I would believe it.

02:07:48.520 A number of other things, Svahn, and I know this man, would not venture outside of his lane to say something that just might, on an off chance, not be correct and be offensive to the Allfather.

02:08:10.480 that makes me think that what he says is valid literally some of these basement wizards

02:08:20.860 when svan and i first got involved in this

02:08:24.640 and i understand we describe things differently

02:08:29.320 but they're so irreverent like yo dog me and thor was like we're playing some call of duty and i

02:08:37.360 like sub homie and it's just absurd you no real person that genuinely believes they have had an

02:08:45.920 interaction with a god describes it just so mundane and profane in the in the real sense of

02:08:56.880 the word doesn't have to be like overtly grossly disrespectful but there is a reverence and a piety

02:09:04.640 that comes with genuine interaction with the divine and you can see that most of the time

02:09:14.560 hey you you going to bed yeah i know you good night baby i love you i see you in the morning

02:09:23.120 is getting really long yeah

02:09:42.080 can you wave

02:09:42.640 all right sweetheart i see you in the morning i'll come tuck you in here in a minute okay

02:09:56.300 so you guys think that i'm not crazy hold on just in my camera because it got all wonky

02:10:14.420 that's what happens when you get children all crawling up on you yeah so this gentleman i don't

02:10:21.560 know where her and mandy found this but they came home from shopping so i got he-man representing

02:10:27.020 on my desk here um but i i was gonna say that the state of which you had said i of course i don't

02:10:38.240 want that to be i mean you still have to be weary of people who are uh reluctant to speak of because

02:10:46.980 that could be just, again, another, you know, laying on of that deception, if you will.

02:10:52.920 So for me, like, I, I don't, I don't know.

02:10:58.580 It would be so cool.

02:10:59.660 No, you didn't do anything.

02:11:00.720 You didn't make a claim.

02:11:01.760 I put you on the spot and you answered me.

02:11:03.320 Honestly, it's exactly what I asked you to do.

02:11:05.020 You're good.

02:11:06.520 It's on me if it's on anybody.

02:11:08.620 But I also think that the gods do kind of, again, work through, we, we, our souls in

02:11:15.880 way that we work through things sometimes um you know the are they the ancestors when they show up

02:11:22.120 in your in your dream or are they a part of you connected to them i mean you can't separate

02:11:26.520 yourself from your ancestors so they are kind of there but is it also a representation of

02:11:31.560 something going on within your mind your soul um i yeah so and i kind of a nail in this for right

02:11:44.600 now just a final thought on it that i think's worth mentioning

02:11:54.440 we're we are emerging from a time where

02:12:01.560 the frivolous and the absurd will falsely claim interaction with our gods either through insanity

02:12:11.240 through straight up lying through using them as a justification for their own

02:12:17.940 inadequacies or poor decisions there's all those people that will shout from the rooftops that

02:12:25.120 you know they hang out with the gods and you know the god told them the gods told them to

02:12:30.000 wear rainbow stuff or whatever nonsense or on the other side there's folks that are

02:12:37.260 out of an overabundance of caution and reverence, not comfortable sharing their experience.

02:12:46.720 So we have this gap there that we're emerging from. And we're just at a time now where

02:12:54.100 the fools are self-evident and those who are serious are starting to share

02:13:03.220 bits and pieces of that experience and add to the tapestry of Alcitru and what we're doing

02:13:10.840 and what we're continuously building. Because that's the thing about Alcitru. It's not a

02:13:16.240 science project of uncovering ancient tomes. It is a living religion. And if it's not living,

02:13:28.000 and we are not building upon it, improving upon it, making it better and evolving it,

02:13:33.900 just like the tree, it withers and it dies.

02:13:36.840 Just like all of the things we've been talking about, stagnation is death.

02:13:42.920 Being vibrant, learning, growing and moving forward isn't just what it's all about.

02:13:51.260 it is a mandate from our gods to us as something we must do. Victory never sleeps.

02:14:01.900 With that, let's go ahead and keep going until we get to the end of our poem tonight,

02:14:08.820 and then we'll get the remainder of our questions.

02:14:11.260 so

02:14:14.540 Laura then again speaking in um the sense that uh this is poetic you know remembers this is

02:14:25.660 the encyclopedia part um but again it references the best of things um in 44 um oh excuse me did

02:14:36.040 do uh yes we did 43. um i wanted to make note too skidbladnir is often referred to as being made of

02:14:46.120 small tines of wood or flat pieces of wood i never actually took it that way the translation that i

02:14:53.640 have always kind of leaned towards was the sheathing blade um which has uh other references

02:15:01.160 with lord fray and i think it refers also to the fact that the ship fits within his pocket and so

02:15:08.840 the the skeethe uh the skeethe is um of course the sheath or that which can be hidden in a pocket

02:15:16.440 and blavnir is the blade and it does reference that you know again the planks of wood of a

02:15:22.040 of an uh a ship are kind of you know thin wrapped blades but there's more poeticness to that that

02:15:29.800 you might find certain people will go on about the the wood or or something of that nature and um

02:15:36.760 sometimes they just don't get that poeticness of the idea like yes that is a a ship that

02:15:42.280 can fold up and hide into his pocket it is the sheathed blade um but uh so the best of trees must

02:15:51.240 Again, the best of boats, of all the gods is Odin the greatest, and Sleipnir, the best of steeds,

02:16:07.960 Bivrost of bridges, Brai of scalds, Hobrok of hawks, and Garm of hounds.

02:16:17.820 so a couple of things here um this is a poetic laying out of meter and it's about

02:16:28.780 kind of teaching the poet um so there's another reference to skidbladnir um but again

02:16:37.780 ovin lord of the gods highest slight near which means the slipping one or the the one that slips

02:16:47.740 between is the best of steeds be frost the shimmering path the fiery bridge the rainbow

02:16:55.600 bridge is the best of bridges lord bragi best of skulls whole brock is an interesting one

02:17:04.040 so the old norse is how brock and if anybody's familiar with like uh rock not rock not loader brock

02:17:16.200 um meaning leather pants so or leather breeches um how brock translates to high

02:17:25.160 breaches if you will and i think this is reference to the idea of the long leggedness or the long

02:17:34.640 striking talons of hobrock the hawk there's no reference there outside and i i have speculated

02:17:42.840 that this could be the name of the hawk that sits upon wind torn the eagle that sits on top of the

02:17:49.900 of Yggdrasil, but there's no saying as to of it. And then of course, of the, of the greatest of

02:17:56.520 hounds, there is Garm, the, the threshold of the underworld. Nipah's cave is, is held there by Garm.

02:18:09.280 um 45 to the race of the gods my face have i raised and wished for aid have i waked

02:18:23.080 for to all the gods has the message gone that sit in the icer seat that drink within ayer's doors

02:18:33.680 okay so this is an interesting one and i

02:18:39.320 it doesn't fit it does place the the um the placement of teaching the poet but one thing

02:18:56.260 i don't like about this is people have taken this stanza to try to correlate that lord odin

02:19:01.960 was once a mortal. Uh, they try to go down strange paths, uh, with this one in relation

02:19:11.260 to the fact that he's referring to the kind of speaking to the gods and, and, and, uh,

02:19:17.680 praying to them and receiving message. Um, I think it's also important if you look at it from

02:19:25.140 a different angle is that Lord Odin is of the multiplicity of the gods. He's not a singular

02:19:31.260 god he's not there's not a um you know this isn't monotheism but that the balance that has been set

02:19:39.020 is integral to lord odin because the wisdom of the leader of the gods the the head of the gods

02:19:47.500 is that there is balance in diffusing dominion and placing all of the gods as like a strata

02:19:57.900 um this is done immediately you know we see this with the tripartite um all of these things are

02:20:04.380 are always kind of done so I think that this lends more to that as opposed to again some of

02:20:10.000 the shenanigans where people are like oh this is this is the part where uh you know Odin is a man

02:20:15.540 or a wizard and again this could also mean that this is from just the poet's standpoint but it

02:20:22.580 would be very, very out of place. So it's worth noting here that when he speaks of the ones who

02:20:36.300 drink within I-year's seats and drink from I-year's doors. This is a big one that I see get

02:20:44.680 mispronounced a lot. A lot of people say I-gear, but remember that G is a soft G-Y sound, so it's

02:20:51.300 i year i year um who is of course the the threshold of the primordial ocean the the one that holds um

02:21:02.260 the base of much of the chaos of the middle world and they replenish that dominion over that place

02:21:10.980 repeatedly in the stories it's seen as the feasting between the primordial cauldron of the ocean

02:21:18.180 and the heavenly gods so that's what they're referring to

02:21:21.780 the ones who um sit in those seats are the gods themselves the icier

02:21:33.460 so we're moving into 46 and now lord odin begins the haiti and the naming uh remember this is of

02:21:43.780 course poetic lessons for the ones speaking but this is great and it's just chock full of um you

02:21:52.260 know good and interesting ways in which we our ancestors saw um lord odin and remember too

02:22:02.340 oftentimes in prayers we already spoke about speaking of people's names but also speaking

02:22:08.740 of their haiti uh people with haiti and with titles um kind of again adds to their their might

02:22:17.140 if you will it gives gives them more gravity and so lord olden has the most um so grim

02:22:26.820 obviously grimness uh the name of the poem grim is my name gangliri is m-i hair young

02:22:36.420 hjalmberry thick and three that's an interesting one the three the meaning three and that's why

02:22:43.940 i often refer to lord odin as the three who is one is from this sooth and ooth hell blindi and whore

02:22:55.140 or high uh 47 it soft and sweep all and sangital hair tight and nickar

02:23:10.660 remember to the h and n or uh pretty much blended into the n um

02:23:16.260 um uh bilje and baulje bolverk fjolnir grim and grimner again a repeat of from before so again

02:23:30.180 you can kind of see how meter needed to be met and oftentimes there were things that were

02:23:36.500 you know doubled over repeated without any intention other than making sure that everything

02:23:41.780 fit. In 48, he goes more.

02:24:11.460 and and farmateer a single name have i never had since first amongst men i fared

02:24:21.220 grimner they call me in geroth's hall with asmund york am i

02:24:30.820 in 49 color i was when i went to the sledge at the council thrower i am called as vither i fare to

02:24:39.460 fight oski bivlindi uh yavor yaf uh that's an interesting one that again lending towards

02:24:50.660 consumption even lord odin holds those traits of of the consumptive nature uh again hungry for

02:24:59.620 wisdom omni don't leer and how barth midst the gods that's another big important one

02:25:07.780 how bard is the name in grimness small and it is later on in the name of uh how about the small

02:25:15.540 or i mean um the story of how bar and i think that's uh there are some people who have tried

02:25:22.260 to speculate um that hard bar is not lord odin and i i do not think that's the case i think that uh

02:25:30.500 it is lord odin and there's clear reference to it here um so i deceived the giant so

02:25:41.540 of old as swither and swither of yore of midwitter's midwinter's son the slayer i was

02:25:53.860 when the famed one found his doom um again there's not much that's known about the correlations of

02:26:03.300 these stories so one of the saddest parts about grimness small for me is there is so much

02:26:08.740 knowledge that is alluded to but we may never know so these are again references to stories

02:26:19.140 for the poet to remember and you know suck me mere and mid winter we we have uh you know very little

02:26:28.980 um in relation to what stories these are alluding to it's kind of sad

02:26:36.660 um but again these are the haiti of lord odin he is building up to letting geroth know

02:26:46.740 that he has ultimately messed up and um and that his time has come

02:26:56.660 so um moving into 51 and remember just that in the beginning in the last episode we talked about

02:27:04.180 the interesting nature of this poem ending with a kind of a or beginning with a prologue and it ends

02:27:10.500 with kind of a ceasing uh stanza that's not in poetic meter but just simply lays the entire thing

02:27:19.320 to rest um drunk art thou geroth too much did thou drink much has thou lost for help no more

02:27:32.860 from me or my heroes thou hast uh this part two is um interesting because there's a missing piece

02:27:42.260 or missing line or perhaps a line un unable to be read um but it does finish up quite nicely

02:27:50.940 um so no longer does he have the blessings of lord odin or his host the army of heaven

02:27:59.040 the einherjar um small heed did thou take to all that i told and false were the words of thy

02:28:10.380 friends for now the sword of my friend i are for now the sword of my friend i see that waits all

02:28:18.820 wet with blood so at this point lord odin is saying you didn't listen to the right people

02:28:26.200 you were told the the the lies and you you have treated me in such an ill fashion that you you

02:28:32.280 have doomed yourself to the fate of death and he's already alluding to what's going to be said in the

02:28:38.520 outro when he says that i see this sword waiting for you wet with blood thy sword pierced body in

02:28:47.240 53 shall egg have soon for thy life is ended at last the maids are hostile now oh then behold

02:28:59.080 now come to me if thou canst so 53 is an interesting one in relation to the the maids

02:29:07.080 the word is dsir he translates the word as maids and i don't think that's correct what he's talking

02:29:14.120 about is the dc the the weavers of fate particularly of the lives that of a bloodline

02:29:22.200 and so he's saying now your your dc have turned against you they've turned away from you

02:29:27.960 they're afar they've left you um for me in essence elsewhere i think in the uh uh

02:29:36.040 gilth beginning they refer to the norner as as three maidens

02:29:39.960 um yes and the nornir are referred to as dc or elsewhere as well yeah and i think the yeah the

02:29:51.640 maidens or maids um isn't wrong maybe he chose that word because of those correlations it's just

02:29:58.680 that it's read out loud like we're yeah yeah it's like wait what and it's always okay so i i'm gonna

02:30:07.880 interrupt the flow of things one more time it's important that's why i think the linguistics are

02:30:14.520 really important and being able to read over on the side is very helpful you'll notice as we go

02:30:21.640 through this that spawn catches a lot of little things over there that make a difference and

02:30:28.040 there is a difference when you are trying to render each of these poems as a completely

02:30:41.600 independent piece of literature and you want to translate something as a piece of literature

02:30:49.840 if it is a religious text and you are trying to faithfully convey the religious message in it

02:31:00.120 it's going to affect your choices as a as a translator and that is important so being able

02:31:08.380 to have familiarity with the language really does help um i plugged it last time i'll plug it again

02:31:14.300 memorize and get on there with me we can do it together we can talk together make it work

02:31:19.940 I'm going through modern Icelandic and then a user created course which seems really awesome

02:31:26.180 of old Norse and trying to pair the two it's not perfect but it's getting me closer it's super super

02:31:34.840 hard I'm not good at it but the more I plug away at it the more little pieces I pick up and I'm

02:31:40.180 able to it it's helping me a lot with this specifically and i think it'll help you and

02:31:46.980 be beneficial as well so i strongly encourage that um at this point lord odin reveals himself fully

02:32:01.060 um between the flaming you know pyres he relents all of the subterfuge and goes straight into

02:32:09.860 exactly excuse me who he is but he does give a couple of more it and this is important one of

02:32:17.140 them in particular so um he says you know your your dsr have left you now oh then behold now

02:32:25.700 come to me if thou canst and that reference too is in the outro um paragraph it's mentioned that

02:32:36.100 geroth's sword is half drawn right now as if like he knows he's in trouble and he's gonna try to

02:32:41.780 step forward and kind of smite this warlock that's causing all this but to no avail so uh that kind

02:32:49.860 of is the reference to you know now come to me if you can um now i am odin one was i once air that

02:32:59.620 did they call me thund vak so like thund the strong and vak the waking one and skill thing

02:33:07.700 and volvo's uh let's see i'm gonna give um vowel further og proff that tear gouter and yalk

02:33:18.340 midst the gods ovnir and svavnir and all me thinks are the names for none but me and the

02:33:27.380 interesting one there is of course gouter gotter uh this survives in the old norse but it was also

02:33:34.260 in the lombardic it was in um uh eastern gothic or uh uh good good sicker rasta in the language of

02:33:45.220 the gods that they spoke of god god the god and that word is you know utilized by christians

02:33:54.740 today without any kind of understanding um and i know that some of the the questions on the side

02:34:00.340 about divinity are going to come up so that's a great point and that's why i wanted to lean in on

02:34:05.300 this is that heavenly power the gotter or god um is one that's mentioned here and that word is

02:34:14.660 not a judaic word it's not a greek or roman word it is a germanic word um

02:34:21.460 Um, so at this point we go to the outro and it says, King Geroth sat and had his sword on his

02:34:31.440 knee, half drawn from its sheath. But when he heard that Odin had come thither, then he rose

02:34:37.320 up and sought to take Odin from the fire to relent for his grievances. But the sword slipped from

02:34:45.460 his hand and fell with the hilt down. The king stumbled and fell forward and the sword pierced

02:34:52.720 him through and slew him. Then Odin vanished, but Agnar long ruled as their king. So when there's

02:35:02.020 a reference there of Agnar being ruler of the Goths, then it kind of gives the idea that since

02:35:08.740 he is the the new king of the people um this is a gothic tale uh whether we're talking about

02:35:16.760 the gottlanders of eastern sweden or the goths the actual amalgamated tribe of um eastern germanics

02:35:26.100 we don't know but that brings the the climactic end and and the foreseen prophecy of the bloody

02:35:34.480 sword is fulfilled because King Gerov no longer wants to fight this warlock but pull him from

02:35:42.400 the fires and it's too late. All right, take us home, Swan. Oh, what's, uh, with what? With the

02:35:51.900 final, the final paragraph. Oh, I just did. Oh, did you? Yeah, King Gerov sat and had his sword

02:36:00.720 upon his knee after i know i jumped right into it so no no that's good um this is

02:36:11.040 this poem is really cool it's certainly one of my favorites um

02:36:19.680 yeah i think it's it's rich with lore but it's also told in the backdrop of really

02:36:25.520 really neat really cool story that's laid out um

02:36:31.600 yeah i like it um yeah i've always kind of pictured it being animated um perhaps to

02:36:40.480 you know either either it in its entirety and length and kind of you know with imagery to show

02:36:47.580 what Lord Odin is speaking of

02:36:50.140 or edited

02:36:52.360 down at least to get

02:36:53.680 the story of it

02:36:55.880 laid across.

02:36:58.040 It would be so cool to see.

02:37:00.320 Yeah, I think this would be a relatively

02:37:02.260 easy one to do that with.

02:37:04.120 It'd be neat.

02:37:06.040 I've got a couple of questions here

02:37:07.720 to attend to.

02:37:10.720 So,

02:37:11.820 a lot of things have revolved around

02:37:13.780 personal

02:37:15.900 interaction with the gods tonight.

02:37:18.300 So Fenwraith asks, also, do you think other spiritual beings who are not the gods can pretend to be the gods?

02:37:26.480 And some people might think they're talking to the gods, but they're really not.

02:37:35.060 What are your thoughts on this, Spawn?

02:37:38.100 Well, I definitely like to focus first on the spiritual beings.

02:37:43.780 one of the things that a lot of christians have a hard time understanding is our essence of divinity

02:37:52.280 versus the the equilibrium of powerful beings within within the cosmos um and and again they

02:38:02.360 they don't seem to have a problem with it in certain cases but they do when it comes to

02:38:07.500 looking at other religions per se but in their own religion kind of gloss over it you know it's a

02:38:12.300 It's plot convenient, if you will. But the beings that have power that can use primordial forces within this battleground that is Midgard, and I kind of view the middle world as a battleground.

02:38:33.620 it is a place of of maintaining order maintaining peace um building strength losing uh you know

02:38:42.660 substance in order to regain there's a lot of stuff um that's going on here in the middle the

02:38:49.220 gods above the the yotnar to the east the the vanir kind of flowing in from the west and bringing

02:38:56.180 you know all of these to to bear in the world of the middle and um i mean

02:39:06.500 the substance of what if your mind sees the gods or a one of the gods um is that perhaps your mind

02:39:16.980 utilizing the archetypical uh we do it all the time when people make art of the gods or they they

02:39:24.740 plug it into ai i've seen and they they talk about the things they want to be to see in the pictures

02:39:31.860 of the gods um so we make you know apparitions of the gods all the time can something

02:39:44.260 look like or trick i you know at a certain point i don't underestimate the cunning of

02:39:52.100 the dissipative forces that are out there i believe that they are a real threat that the gods

02:39:56.660 are fighting against those dissipated forces but to what degree it's more or less

02:40:05.060 yes but it's because they can trick the mind of mortals they can trick the minds of men

02:40:13.220 cunningness i mean men could do that just with words but uh you know these powerful beings throughout

02:40:18.980 absolutely i think um but i think it's a false sense i also think it's it's never fully in the

02:40:28.100 the same power um and it but we don't know so we're easily tricked if you will i don't know

02:40:36.100 it's that's a tough one um i mean i just i i think that in our lore and through our mythos

02:40:43.980 the disruptive powers are um cunning and i don't want to get into the whole idea of like false

02:40:50.540 projects and so on and so forth but i can't put it past that cunningness brings that you know it

02:41:00.060 i realized that my answers and swan's answers can be frustrating

02:41:05.740 because there's very seldom a yes or no very few questions are as easy as our

02:41:13.980 the degenerate people destroying western civilization a force of chaos of course they

02:41:20.080 are um but most of the questions there's a whole bunch of nuance is it possible sure

02:41:29.160 um we would be foolish not to acknowledge that you know the forces of our foe have power and

02:41:41.620 cunning and ability to do things but i think there's a lot of things that go into play um

02:41:51.940 the biggest thing that i think is relevant to that is for you to guard against your own confirmation

02:42:00.020 bias and your own making an excuse for weakness on your part

02:42:08.500 Or, you know, if the gods visit you and, you know, give you an excuse for bad behavior, I would find that suspect.

02:42:28.620 So a lot of things play in.

02:42:30.620 First, there's mental illness.

02:42:33.520 If you're schizophrenic and you are mentally ill and you have crazy things going on that are not right because of chemical imbalance or other illness, yes, you could think that the gods, you could be crazy.

02:42:48.340 That's just the thing.

02:42:49.300 Um, what I don't, what I think that we shouldn't discount as well is, um, the spiritual efficacy

02:43:09.500 legacy of things that are on our team I think that those of us who are also true I'm sure even

02:43:21.260 those of us who aren't but you're much more in tune if you are practicing also true have your

02:43:30.800 your desir looking after you and caring for you you have your um morphilia following you and

02:43:41.920 you know in a sense being a fairy godmother of sorts looking out for you you've got things um

02:43:51.680 our gods watch and look on and see lord heimdallar you know sees all things and hears all things

02:44:06.740 and is aware there are potent spiritual forces if you are aligned correctly and if you're living

02:44:14.360 right that look out for you and are part of your spiritual kin fence for lack of a better

02:44:20.900 term. The other thing, life and all things require a certain amount of courage and taking leaps of

02:44:31.280 faith. We can be suspicious of literally anything and everything. At some point, you have to pick

02:44:43.000 something and go with it and do your best and use the best tools at hand to decipher these things.

02:44:49.580 Now, I think in that regard, are our gods saying things that are consistent with our understanding of them, with our lore, with the general character of them in general?

02:45:01.760 Or is what's being communicated to you radically abhorrent to the entire framework of our value system?

02:45:11.480 That should, you know, give you clues to it as well.

02:45:15.320 The other thing is, don't just see with your analytical mind.

02:45:22.680 The more you develop yourself spiritually, the more you build a relationship with the ancestors, with the Aesir, with seeing the world through a spiritual lens,

02:45:37.740 the more you are able to see the hammer,

02:45:48.120 the odor of the person around that you're interacting with.

02:45:54.660 Not just do they look like, you know, in this instance,

02:46:01.380 does it look like the gods?

02:46:03.460 Does it feel like the gods?

02:46:05.000 is the presence that of the gods sensing beyond just the analytical there is a way of sniffing out

02:46:17.380 what's yours and what's not stuff that's on your team versus stuff that's not on your team

02:46:26.560 seeing, you know, and this is one of the things, but you pick up on, and I think that many of us

02:46:35.620 pick up on it in different ways, but there's something to be said for, and I think we've all

02:46:42.660 had this with different people in our lives, that we may see them, especially, this comes in a lot

02:46:49.640 with age sometimes you look at someone who is withered and you know diminished with their age

02:47:01.240 physically but there's something in their eye and you can see

02:47:08.760 you can see who they are behind the mask of wrinkled skin and hunched back you can see

02:47:17.720 the manifestation of their soul in all their glory it's one of the things um that's kind of

02:47:26.680 was interesting to me in this poem especially at the beginning

02:47:31.320 when grim near starts revealing himself and you know the cloak burns up and he starts slowly you

02:47:43.000 know transforming and the the guys begins to leave him and people begin to see beyond the mask

02:47:52.360 they're in the presence of the all father the king of the gods and

02:47:58.680 there's something to that in your interaction so i think you should always be skeptical

02:48:02.680 and be reverent but just as much as it would be

02:48:08.600 you know, unwise of you to act on suspicious apparitions to you that you're scared may not

02:48:18.040 really be the gods. How impious of you if the gods actually deigned to speak to you in some way

02:48:27.240 and you didn't heed their call. So, I mean, there's a lot to, there's not the clean answer

02:48:34.740 that i think would be the most desired from swan and i because the details matter but no i would

02:48:43.700 not overly fear that i would much more be amazed and in awe that one of our gods chose to communicate

02:48:53.140 to something to me and i would think and meditate on it and try to find the best to be the best

02:49:00.980 steward of a precious gift from the gods um

02:49:09.940 i think one other thing um is you can always kind of look at the outcome around people if you see

02:49:18.340 people uh continuously getting better you see people making progress making milestones moving

02:49:27.060 moving the glory of the gods forward um and not you know miring in their own disillusion or

02:49:34.340 dissipating so when you see a lot of these people that claim that they have these kind

02:49:37.940 of interactions with the gods but you can clearly see they're still you know living

02:49:43.060 not great lives they're not you know like um they're kind of mired in their

02:49:50.020 you know basement or whatever i know we use that as a joke but like

02:49:53.540 you see some of these other people out there who claim that they are blessed or given insight by

02:50:00.020 the gods and they promote you know dissipative and degenerative uh uh nature if you will and

02:50:10.020 and they are you know immoral and oftentimes you know bending on the on the relativism towards

02:50:17.940 being needing good and that doesn't produce anything well so they could say all they want

02:50:24.180 but oftentimes you can see it in the what what they're surrounded with who they're surrounded

02:50:29.380 with and um you know the gods do give glory to those who deserve it and so when you see it

02:50:37.700 versus when you don't that's one of the big indicators that will clearly show um

02:50:43.300 um, where the gods are kind of residing with the folks. So I, I think that's, that's a great

02:50:51.060 indicator too. And I don't think we should fear like, like I was here ago, he said, we should

02:50:55.460 not fear the cunningness of our enemies, but instead simply know that it is there and that,

02:51:01.340 and, and to learn from it. Um, and then to also juxtapose ourselves, because if there is this

02:51:08.920 treachery, then we must be what is not treacherous. We must be what is noble.

02:51:15.000 So their existence is good. It helps us, puts us on the map.

02:51:22.200 And I think there's a certain amount of

02:51:24.680 momentum behind acting rightly, nobly, and courageously in the face of doubt.

02:51:33.440 Well, sometimes, you know, taking that leap of faith a little bit on some stuff, knowing that you're doing the right things and testing it out.

02:51:43.500 Courage will overcome a lot of obstacles, and I do think that fortune favors the bold.

02:51:49.260 um that said in regards to uh the next question from eager uh kunigaz in regards to speaking with

02:52:02.780 the gods by any means could we possibly place heavy emphasis on it being the ancestors and not

02:52:09.660 directly the gods since the ancestors are the greatest medium between us and them svan touched

02:52:16.940 on it for a second as i was typing so do you have follow-up to that's fun yeah i

02:52:25.660 the question i would say is can the ancestors project themselves as god forms in order to

02:52:34.220 spurn things on for the better let's just assume we're going for that um i mean is it possible

02:52:42.940 Yes, I wonder and think often on that, that if the ancestors have the ability to act as divine, if you will.

02:52:56.180 But I don't know. At the same time, I've always felt that they seem to act within their own scope, within their own lane, and that the gods act within their lane.

02:53:07.520 and there's there is a notable difference i think the ancestral interactions are always way more

02:53:13.840 intimate and i feel like the the divine interactment whether it's simply through you know

02:53:20.320 experiencing bloat or that one time that uh you know we experienced the wild hunt at um winter

02:53:26.640 nights um it was it's way more uh it's less intimate it's almost more like uh experiencing

02:53:37.200 a storm as opposed to um you know watering your garden or something of that nature i don't know

02:53:45.640 i can't explain it but i do see what you're saying that the ancestors are one of the greatest

02:53:51.900 mediums between the physical realm and looping all the way back to the gods and our gods are

02:53:57.900 often referred to as our oldest ancestors so i see what you're what you're saying there i think it

02:54:04.040 might more depend on the individual and how they speak their language of communication um a lot of

02:54:12.540 folks come into the religion from other religions they've got a lot of monotheistic ideals they've

02:54:18.120 got ideals that aren't necessarily i think congruent with certain ways of thought and

02:54:24.860 and they'll evolve from that um whereas others might have interactions with the ancestors and

02:54:31.420 the gods in a different way because they've kind of shed a lot of those those things whether they're

02:54:36.520 you know coming from like agnosticism or from christianity and monotheism and a universal faith

02:54:41.700 And or if they, you know, if they have notions of other faiths that are, say, polytheistic, maybe they're inspired by Hindu or just other concepts, they may interact with the divine and with the ancestors differently.

02:54:58.220 And I wonder if that has a factor as well.

02:55:02.960 So I think this is related.

02:55:05.160 i would not filter messages that appear to be from the gods through the lens of trying to

02:55:15.440 rationalize them as being your ancestors i wouldn't do that at all if you are going the

02:55:22.780 other direction and you are trying to communicate with the gods and you are uncomfortable doing that

02:55:31.140 and would like to try to have your, you know, beseech your ancestors to relay messages from you

02:55:42.700 or to help mediate that process in some way, okay, I can see that.

02:55:50.460 I can see that, and I don't think that's wrong, certainly.

02:55:54.280 And I don't know that this touches on your question or not,

02:55:57.680 But I do think that as a step, if somebody is coming from a place of non-belief or agnosticism, when the first, the easiest thing to be open to outside of a atheistic, you know, there's nothing beyond the physical existence,

02:56:25.660 is the acceptance of our ancestors and the acceptance that they exist beyond death in some

02:56:34.160 way. That seems to be the first thing that people can rationalize and accept. And if you're there

02:56:44.060 that you believe your ancestors hear you, but you're not quite there on having or feeling

02:56:50.500 comfortable having a relationship with the gods maybe you're not completely sold on their existence

02:56:56.500 or maybe you know maybe you say you are but you're not really convinced and so you don't want to do

02:57:02.740 anything wrong until you are going through your ancestors is is always a really good thing and

02:57:10.260 here's the here's the thing thrown out there also true is true and right and the way to go

02:57:16.340 me and spawn are absolutely correct in the things that we were telling you they're the truth they're

02:57:21.060 not all they're not the ending of the truth but they are the truth up to this point saying all

02:57:29.220 that whether you believe me or you don't believe me the ancestors know more than we do those who

02:57:35.380 have passed beyond the veil know far more of the story of what goes on beyond the veil than we do

02:57:41.060 here um in in this life in midgard so if you're hedging your bets and just like hey grandpa i

02:57:48.580 don't know what's what but if this is the case please pass on this i think that's also a perfectly

02:57:55.380 respectable place to start a place to go i think and i think that that transcends a lot of things

02:58:02.900 and i think that's a good cautious way of building a foundation

02:58:06.820 but again i'm not sure that really addresses your question or not

02:58:11.740 um underneath that question i wanted to touch on something uh sotanar uh i've always found

02:58:22.600 the the 3d one interesting myself 3d i didn't know if this was going to come up as a question

02:58:28.060 or not that's why i wanted to kind of grab it uh the tripartite god forms are most often

02:58:33.720 encountered in celtic branches of things but i found evidence of this in the germanic branch

02:58:38.200 you are correct about the celtic branch but i would even go so far as to say no it is

02:58:42.280 is even beyond the germanic and and the gallic there is um even people who aren't um fully

02:58:50.920 arian or at least i would argue because again i just recently um me and uh thomas rousel had a

02:58:58.520 conversation on twitter about um the etruscans and how they're not um indo-european or aryan

02:59:08.760 um and i think that by the stages in which we view a lot of the religiosity i see the influence

02:59:15.880 of it and i i've kind of always looked at them as being an amalgamation of a a lost group of people

02:59:21.640 plus indo-europeans but it was a it was a learning lesson for me it was really really cool i enjoyed

02:59:27.400 the conversation but you could see even the etruscans have a tripartite uh christians adopted

02:59:34.200 the pride tripartite but uh for the norse in particular the germanics when we talk about

02:59:40.760 tacitus mentioning that there is um uh and um uh and um thonaras uh and then of course too the

02:59:55.080 adas speak of high just as high and the third so reading the gilfaginning with the understanding

03:00:04.040 that odin might be the third as a again a way of cunning and kind of a tongue-in-cheek the high one

03:00:10.360 is the is the third one it's very very interesting because it's mentioned here in grimness maul

03:00:18.200 that three the and how bother are odin and those are the names that he does go by and

03:00:25.880 i uh you know i've always thought that very very interesting but yeah you know when you look at

03:00:31.000 the slavs they have a tripartite and all the baltics uh they have a tripartite the the

03:00:38.360 the hellenistic the greco-romans they have a tripartite they numbered theirs

03:00:44.520 uh deus pater has a single scepter or lightning rod um hadis has a bident and

03:00:54.600 um neptune or posadin has a trident everywhere you go in the arian uh branches there's always

03:01:03.720 a tripartite and it's immediate after the kind of primordial or i guess deus father and deus

03:01:10.600 mother are transformed transfigured or changed that tripartite is immediately set up and i don't

03:01:16.920 necessarily think it's um a static thing it's it's a a positional thing you can i think you see that

03:01:23.640 with the uh temples of upsala when they had thor in the center of the tripartite and then they had

03:01:29.560 lord odin and um the holy fray kind of flanking the statue of thor and um that's because i i

03:01:39.400 I believe it's, it is about the relationship that the people have with the gods that makes those, the significance of that.

03:01:46.420 And a lot of people will say, oh, that means that you're taking away from Lord Othen.

03:01:50.080 I don't think that's the case at all.

03:01:51.300 I think that it's pretty self-evident, but that our gods are, again, not entirely painted as being the Lord of such and such.

03:02:02.740 and the the lord of such and such in just such a way that it's only the only thing that the lord

03:02:07.620 of winds or and the lord of healing or whatever it might be this subject that's not the way that

03:02:13.860 works they have these great powers and they're fluid in the way that they can oftentimes appear

03:02:21.860 but it has to be cultural i think it's more about the the people and the way that they interact with

03:02:28.180 the gods that the gods end up um answering their prayers in a way in the proper uh ways that they

03:02:37.140 they they need their they're based on their needs um and that the gods are again accommodating to

03:02:43.380 that or it's a you know some people would say it's a reflection of the culture but um you know

03:02:48.340 i think the gods interact with those cultures based on their needs and um that's good that's

03:02:55.300 that's a good thing so i wanted to hit on that just about the tripartite and and um all arian

03:03:00.820 branches have it it's the one thing that you can spot and i have to call it the tr like the the

03:03:06.820 it's the figuration of the the heavenly powers um the heavenly powers are not held by a one singular

03:03:15.540 being of omnipotence but that they are it is delegated out in order to create balance and

03:03:23.780 again to create dynamicism all right so let's go ahead and get your take on this one uh

03:03:35.540 what is your take on the ermine soul i plan on erecting one in my yard

03:03:46.900 so take that question where you will swan okay um for me the ermine sill is the

03:03:53.780 The center, it is the place that connects the earth to the heavens. It is that central place. It represents that central place. I think that the way our ancestors viewed where the gods lived kind of changed a little bit throughout.

03:04:11.700 I think that when we talk about the Ermensel as a symbol of order and that it struts up heaven, that it holds up the heavenly realm.

03:04:24.100 In essence, it's the place that connects the gods to the middle.

03:04:30.480 I think it's also symbolic of the North Star.

03:04:34.100 And I think that it's a place of stasis.

03:04:36.860 It's the unmoving with everything moving around it.

03:04:40.560 it is the the millstone if you will but that that millstone idea that is brought about is again

03:04:49.360 encapsulated on multiple levels you have the heavenly millstone that spins you have the

03:04:54.080 earthly millstone that spins you have the under the the nethered millstone that spins these these

03:05:00.160 concepts are not just one and singular and done so i often take uh the ermine silk to represent

03:05:07.920 that that it's not only the like axis mundi the power of centralization of the gods and faith

03:05:15.680 but it's also that which keeps the heavens and the earth connected but separate if you will

03:05:24.480 and i go so far as to believe that uh lord vidar is analogous for the next ermine soul so

03:05:33.840 So when he rips the jaws of Fenris open, his foot, the booted foot, if you will, is the

03:05:43.040 foot of, it's the foundation.

03:05:45.000 He wrenches up and sunders chaos in half and becomes the new wide ruling one by being that

03:05:52.120 new static axis mundi, if you will.

03:05:56.060 So it's the center of the earthly world, in my opinion.

03:06:00.420 Yggdrasil is the symbol of the central of the heavenly realm.

03:06:03.840 and the ermensel is the symbol of the the center of the earthly realm so what's fawn said but the

03:06:14.160 next part of the question that could be what he's asking and again there's there's different places

03:06:18.720 you can take it the image that we have of the ermensel that is the traditional what has come

03:06:25.680 down to us and been latched upon as as what the symbol of the arm and soul is a lot of people

03:06:36.240 a lot of people have speculated there is a theory that it is a some kind of stylized palm tree

03:06:46.400 and it's on the place where it is found and if nick is super fast he can find a picture of it

03:06:53.920 and he can find a picture of the um actual thing at the extra steiner where it is depicted but

03:07:02.320 there's this relief carved of romans and a cross at the crucifixion and stuff and then this bent over

03:07:15.520 ermensel or as others would have it bent over palm tree i don't i have never bought into the palm tree

03:07:26.480 theory um it a lot of the association came with like the idea was long there that at the

03:07:35.360 the Eksternsteina was where the physical manifestation

03:07:41.500 of the Ermensel was,

03:07:42.480 where that specific pole was erected

03:07:45.460 and celebrated by our ancient ancestors.

03:07:50.620 But if you look at it,

03:07:55.620 and we don't have it up,

03:07:58.620 but if we get it and we put it up for you,

03:08:00.600 or if you Google it and just take a look,

03:08:03.300 The other figures have three-dimensionality.

03:08:06.860 They have pieces of themselves that overlap other pieces with relief stuff drawn in.

03:08:13.080 There's realism to them.

03:08:15.760 They're not stylized.

03:08:17.920 If you look at the bent-over figure that the Ehrman Sol design is based on,

03:08:24.720 it doesn't look like a palm tree.

03:08:28.320 tree. It could look like some kind of stylized palm tree, but it's not next to stylized figures.

03:08:35.260 It's next to very realistic figures. So it, as a piece of art depicting the ermensoul

03:08:41.020 is convincing me, and it's the image that we have celebrated as the design of the ermensoul

03:08:47.360 for quite some time. And I think the imagery of the ermensoul itself, not just being a

03:08:57.620 pole but being a tree is very consistent with our lore it's consistent with sacred tree i'm sorry

03:09:07.060 sacred tree veneration as symbolic of that in our lore we have thor's oak as an example um

03:09:16.820 the idea of a tree as a pillar

03:09:20.500 comes into play very early on in the earliest aryan stages of greece when you start seeing

03:09:29.100 columns with um stylized finials at the top of them depicting you know as if it were a tree

03:09:37.400 and there's a lot of theory to that i find that a lot more compelling so i do have you know i do

03:09:43.600 see that as a as a authentic representation of the ermine soul and not a stylized palm

03:09:51.280 tree but uh yeah if you look take a look at the picture you guys can think for yourself

03:09:57.180 if you you know hey there we go take a moment and ponder if you look this dude on the right

03:10:07.180 side of the screen uh from this angle it's a little bit hard to see it but he's got his

03:10:11.440 hand over top and across his chest. So you can do stuff. If that was a actual palm tree, you would

03:10:17.340 think that the fronds would overlap one another. If it's just got two fronds at the top of a palm

03:10:23.180 tree, that's kind of a messed up palm tree. You would think there would be a number more. I just

03:10:28.020 think that carvers of that skill could have made it look much more like a palm tree if that was

03:10:32.380 what they tried to do. But yeah, that's my thoughts on it. And I think maybe that's what he's asking

03:10:40.100 because he wants to construct something similar to that oh he's got a he's got a follow-up um

03:10:56.500 um no he doesn't so cool that i think yeah so anyways there is that i'd also like to do

03:11:05.300 one more thing and kind of book in tonight's conversation um

03:11:14.180 so we started with a moment of silence for uh nicks who passed away at 31 years old far far too

03:11:22.260 young and it's a reminder that i want to put out there to everybody and in her case this isn't

03:11:28.980 doesn't seem to be an issue this is this is fine luckily in her case but so many people

03:11:35.780 and it happens to be fine because those making the decisions care deeply about what she would

03:11:41.380 have wanted um that's not always the case in fact i have seen in my time and also true that is more

03:11:50.260 often than not not the case um do your will get a will done do your own will.com get it done

03:12:06.100 it is easy it is free on the site that i'm telling you if you're in the united states

03:12:10.740 and i believe some parts of canada do it and share it with

03:12:16.660 your loved ones or your lawyer or whatever you want to do just do it now on top of that if you

03:12:25.540 are an afa member i would encourage you to do it get a like do multiple copies and get them all

03:12:33.220 actually signed so it is an original copy that you send but do it and send one to the address

03:12:39.300 we have on the screen to our law speaker alan turnage so that when we are notified that you

03:12:45.700 past, we have some record of what you wanted, and we can advocate for you if other people

03:12:53.360 decide to do differently than you've stated that you wanted. It's a good way for us to

03:13:00.320 be able to help. Got no skin in this game. I've just seen too many of our people pass

03:13:06.860 away, both expectedly and unexpectedly, without having this taken care of, and then I've seen

03:13:12.780 them not get what they wanted.

03:13:18.020 One member who was very devoutly Ausatru, his parents had recently converted to Judaism.

03:13:28.240 He didn't have any sort of will, so his final resting place is in a Jewish cemetery with

03:13:35.720 a jewish service which is not what he would have wanted um please get your will done you can go

03:13:46.120 fancy you can pay a bunch of money you can get a lawyer you can do whatever you want get a will

03:13:50.280 done and if you're concerned about cost or it being complicated do your own will.com you can

03:13:57.480 get it done in five minutes you can take as long as you want but you can get it done in as little

03:14:02.600 as five minutes and it's really important thing to do especially if you have children

03:14:09.240 please get your will done anyways thank you very much it's been great talking to you guys it always

03:14:16.440 is um thank you for joining us swan and sharing your your wisdom with all of us much appreciated

03:14:24.840 as always we will see you guys uh svan and i will talk to you guys in two weeks as we move on and

03:14:34.120 here i am stuck not knowing my edic poems in order so um whatever the next one is here in two weeks

03:14:45.080 i'm sure nick or swan probably skeerness maul skeerness maul that's it i knew it all along

03:14:51.480 no but we will we will uh bring you that in two weeks from now next week i got to do some figuring

03:14:58.440 tomorrow but we got some plans and some ideas on what we're going to bring in but we'll see

03:15:03.000 again on wednesday 6 p.m pacific make plans come out to midsummer if you can at odenshoff

03:15:11.960 it's going to be amazing it always is uh those of you who have been before there's been some really

03:15:17.880 cool changes and a lot of improvement done to the Hoff since you've been there last,

03:15:21.920 so it'll be exciting to see. But until next time,

03:15:26.660 hail the Eysir, hail the folk, hail the AFA,

03:15:30.680 and remember, victory never sleeps.

03:15:34.400 Bye, guys.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - May 02, 2024

5⧸1⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 95 - Grímnismál, Part 2

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