00:03:37.540Alciar Gauthier is coming in a little bit later, so giving him that chance and that
00:03:43.680time to get set up, we're going to go ahead and proceed, and we'll move forward.
00:03:52.000We've got quite a few things to talk about, and I'm really happy to see everybody's on here, but just remember, we are currently streaming on YouTube, of course, but there's also Twitter, Entropy, VK, Rumble, and Twitch, all of those streaming services you can find us.
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00:18:15.220Um, so we're going to start moving into Skirnismal. Skirnismal is not one of the
00:18:29.100encyclopedic, uh, encyclopedic, or yes, that's, I guess that's the correct word. Um, it's not a
00:18:37.040kind of poetic encyclopedia for the poet to learn and grow on their vocabulary and their lore.
00:18:45.860No, this one is a little bit more hidden and more subtle in its mysteries. Most folks believe that
00:18:59.080this, and I included, that there is a deeper meaning to this story that extends even before
00:19:08.280the late Nordic period. And ultimately, the chronological mythos of this story is
00:19:17.540that after Ostara, after the opening of the gates in the east of Dellinger's Hall,
00:19:24.540there is now the retinue of the elves moving in, being led by their lord, Lord Frey. And Lord Frey
00:19:32.520then does meet his bride who influxes from the east, and her name is Gerðr. And this is the
00:19:40.420starting of what we would call spring or early summer, the rising tide of summer. And it starts
00:19:48.480here. It starts in this story. It starts with the deep and all-encompassing love that Frey feels,
00:20:00.560or sometimes it's read as, again, as infatuation, but when we euhemorize the gods, there's two types
00:20:08.840of euhemorizations. There's the euhemorization or humanizing of the gods, where we humanize them
00:20:15.040and kind of discount them as being physical people, and then there's humanizing the gods in
00:20:22.300order to relate, to project the truth of the story, and you have to be very, very careful.
00:20:27.760That line is often very blurry, and so you will see writers like Saxo Grammaticus and even Snorri
00:20:34.960Stuglusson doing this sometimes to, you know, divert the church's attention so that they're
00:20:41.920not bringing, you know, the old ways back. I think that was a real threat. And the prevalence of
00:20:50.600Ausatru in Iceland still, you know, pervaded up until the 70s with Sven Bjorn Bjartensson.
00:21:00.380So they, he hemorrhaged, I think, for defense. Whereas like the writer Saxo Grammaticus, who was
00:21:08.740a Dane. He didn't believe in the gods of our folk. He was fully in on the foreign faith.
00:21:17.000He was fully in on the faith of Rome or the faith of Jerusalem or what have you. And so he had a
00:21:24.100tendency to have a bitter tale end of the way that he described the ouse, the gods. And he
00:21:33.180oftentimes wrote with kind of a backhandedness, but still, interestingly enough, giving little
00:21:42.280clues about the Holy House and that predated him. So in this case, Skirnismel is named after
00:21:54.140Skirner. Skirner, the translation being the shiny, bright beam, the ray, the light, and
00:22:05.260the predecessor of the holy fray. Skirner is, interestingly enough, as a mystery of this,
00:22:17.920One of the reasons why our church holds the ideal of ascension, ascension of the mortal soul, outside of simply just einherjar, that there is ascension of the human soul while here and also after death.
00:22:39.280And we'll talk a little bit about that as to who exactly Skirner is.0.73
00:22:48.640but the biggest thing i i worry is that skierner oh how's her going
00:22:58.160carry on oh yeah well i'll take the break to say uh brent law uh bought us coffee
00:23:05.200thank you so much um i don't know if remember too if we're covering lore this is the general
00:23:10.960rule we'll be covering lore in the first half of the um of the podcast and then trying to
00:23:17.120get most questions at the end though i don't know uh also do we answer uh or answer questions right
00:23:23.920away if they're if they're buying us a coffee or or um yeah so absolutely if there's a question
00:23:29.520attached to a donation we'll go ahead and jump right on that also if you guys have questions
00:23:35.360that are directly relating to um the text that we're covering or a concept we're covering
00:23:42.640or maybe if it's just a good time to take an aside or a particularly i don't know something
00:23:50.120we want to jump on so um please ask them whenever you want rest assured we will get to them some of
00:23:56.720them we just may get to later in the program also we kind of broke the flow so i might as well take
00:24:01.460this time to uh say i caught a little bit of swan's opening and i appreciate that i sorry for
00:24:11.400being late today guys I got caught up in managing a couple of AFA things and ended up missing a
00:24:18.080crucial traffic window and then the main artery across town apparently there was a terrible
00:24:24.020accident on it and emergency vehicles whatnot so comedy of errors but I am here and I appreciate
00:24:32.400you taking over I saw that he plugged a number of things I just want to make a note you guys
00:24:38.580were awesome last week raising money for Newort's Hoff, getting that pay down. I know he put the
00:24:45.100graphic up. Nick threw it up again. Thank you, Nick. There's still big numbers, but if you look
00:24:52.940at that percentage, I mean, that Hoff costs as much as a house, and we have paid off 70-something
00:25:01.980percent of that house in less than two years if you put it in those terms it's you know it's
00:25:08.140it's bigger deal takes a little bit longer to pay off this half but this half is
00:25:15.660uh two and a half times what fours half cost this half is five times what balder's half costs and it
00:27:35.000I think it's called like, it's not vegetative, but it's veget something in which they speak of the natural growing cycles or what have you.
00:27:45.160But we look at this as this is a way, an explanation in which the gods have given us through the storytellers, the first storyteller, and through our folk, the mechanisms of their domain and the way in which they work.
00:28:01.700And it's quite simple. I mean, it's not deeply esoteric to think of. But yes, this is, again, the Holy Frey. He sends his predecessor, his ray of light, his beam, to project into Jotunheim and convince Gerder, who is an Austvenir.
00:28:27.140She aligns herself with the gods, and we have a nomenclature for that because a lot of groups and authors I have seen write down troll wives.0.71
00:28:39.860I've seen them write down giant wives or jotun wives, and I felt that that was a little bit too overhanded.
00:28:48.820I think that that also feeds into the concept that the Jotunar are somehow a different race or species from the gods, and instead we see these beings, these ancient beings of the Jotun descent, much like Lord Odin, but they decide to align themselves with the Aus-driving force of the gods of order.
00:29:15.720So when they do this, but sometimes in this case, it's not done easily. It's done with a sense of force, with a sense of conquest.
00:29:26.620But bear in mind, too, that this is about the light, the warmth, the rays of the sun projecting forward, piercing the ground, piercing the cold ground, and planting the seed for fruitfulness as the rising of summer tiding.
00:29:45.220So, again, this story really helps us link to a lot of the worship dynamics that we have for Charming of the Plow.
00:29:59.080Again, that's another reason why Lord Frey is, I mean, excuse me, the Holy Frey is held in such high esteem during Charming the Plow.
00:30:07.760And this cycle continues on until Freyfaxi, in which the cycle ends, and it is seen that Lord Frey kind of returns back to start preparing to kind of get beyond the gate where the Leo Salfar are until the next cycle.
00:30:25.260So there's a lot of, I think, things that a lot of authors or perhaps other groups or, you know, internet folk don't really hit on that has absolutely developed within the Auschwitz Folk Assembly.
00:30:41.540And that's where the story really, really sets off at.
00:30:44.960Yeah, so kind of a note going into it.
00:30:48.160There are the nature-based truths of what Witten Svahn just said.
00:31:34.060visual reality that we all interact with in midgard um because we kind of separate divinity with
00:31:43.420other spiritual beings so this is very much a god interacting with another spiritual entity
00:31:50.560and we do a disservice to be overly literal and overly obsessed with this particular story
00:32:03.700mechanics. Keep in mind, even when Snorri talks about this, he talks about it in this exact same
00:32:13.220story in slightly different terms. This exact same bit of lore and story was probably told very
00:32:22.820differently a hundred years previous, five hundred years previous, a thousand years previous,
00:32:29.220and probably looked a little different in different places the truths that it expresses
00:32:33.700are the same but the imagery and the fine story details are intended for a certain audience and a
00:32:43.460certain amount of cultural norms so realize that when you're reading the story see the bigger
00:32:53.220truths that are expressed in the big themes but don't get too bogged down in literal specifics
00:33:02.260as i've said before when i on this broadcast when i first got into ostrich i had somebody very
00:33:07.780seriously try to contemplate like the macros that thor would have to consume to be
00:33:17.540To have enough muscle mass to lift his hammer and to break and crush the rainbow so he can't travel on it, lest he break it because he's so heavy.
00:33:33.980That sounds silly, but this person was talking to me.
00:33:38.020No, because sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees when we get too wrapped up.
00:33:41.940It's important to realize that our myths are amazingly poetic stories that illustrate divine truths in a cultural context that our ancestors could understood when these stories were recorded and that help them understand the gods and understand the bigger truths of our reality and of our faith.
00:34:06.240we many of us largely are raised in societies to where the prevailing religion is a very very
00:34:15.060literal one you are meant to take the bible or the torah or the um the quran to be extremely
00:34:25.640to the letter literal and that literalism is an important part of that faith that's
00:34:31.200And in the history of world religions, that is the anomaly and not the norm. So just keep that in mind a little bit. I know it's a little bit cringy when there's threats of force and curses involved in romantic endeavors, but there's more to it than that. And I just ask that everybody, you know, views it with that level of maturity.
00:34:53.480Yeah, the overall dynamic of this is the masculine kind of focusing the feminine.0.56
00:35:07.960I think that when we look at the chthonic forces of the earth and we see the holy fray coming in, even though the story kind of portrays him as being a lovesick teenager,0.85
00:35:19.880I think that's part of that, again, that connection to the audience is what they're going for. But ultimately, this is that connection bringing the kind of the true attainment of masculinity is to be ordered or to be constructed and the feminine to be brought in so that it can fulfill and grow forward.0.73
00:35:49.880if some of the other deeper themes of this i want you guys to look out for and keep in mind as we
00:35:55.480go through it and this is there's kind of two two stories from lore that we tend to go to when we
00:36:08.840talk about um charming of the plow either uh geffian and and her giant sons um claiming zealand or
00:47:08.660They are better at all the things than we are.
00:47:12.120Some of them are particularly good at certain things or have a particular responsibility for certain things or, as Fawn likes to say, dominion over certain things.
00:47:23.940But it doesn't mean that the other gods are one-dimensional to whatever, you know, their, that particular dominion is.
00:47:35.820And so we need to guard ourselves against pigeonholing them in just, you know, these very one-dimensional ways of being.
00:47:43.600yeah yeah avoiding the uh cramming all into simply you know oh then and that be it's like
00:47:54.180well and last thing on this and then i will i'll leave it be but
00:47:58.900well i say that i'll leave it be for right now um
00:48:02.640again it it depends on who does this for so so much of the scholastic
00:48:12.920rediscovery translation and evaluation of this material is done by christians or by scholars
00:48:24.100very little of it in an academic sense is done by practitioners about surgery so they're looking at
00:48:32.980this in a literary or an anthropological sense. And it's very easy to see our gods as very one
00:48:44.360dimensional in a literary motif. When you stop and like, no, these aren't story devices. These
00:48:52.860are divine beings with will, with personality, with thought, with feeling. It requires us to
00:49:01.120look at them in a much deeper three-dimensional three-dimensional way and so i challenge all of
00:49:08.320you and you know all of us to do that yeah uh that's another point to bring up here uh is
00:49:19.840is a we haven't covered it yet but we will um and it it does bring up to point that not only do we
00:49:28.080believe that the gods are real that we believe that they have that the will and the manifestation
00:49:32.340to do things in the world um and that you know if if the much like with people if a person picks
00:49:41.560up a pencil and does art with it it doesn't mean that they're now the person of that type of art
00:49:48.520or that type of pencil is that there's a lot of the primordial forces that are our holy gods and
00:49:54.300some of the ancient beings of the Jotuns have their ability to influx into the world.
00:50:01.400That says Svan is the champion of murals.0.56
00:54:25.420it does not bring warmth to his heart.
00:54:29.260And this is another thing, again, reemphasizing
00:54:31.420the way that our ancestors saw the gods
00:54:34.780as being in this mountainous upper world.
00:54:38.640um that they were in the center and in the mountainous upper and that the sun and the moon
00:54:46.140were experienced by them as well re-emphasizes that now we do think of a little differently now
00:54:54.320but that the idea is that there was this central place this mountainous place and up in these
00:54:59.860heavenly mountains there was the tree and the tree its boughs stretched over um even
00:55:09.220ausgarther which was built there as well so he that's why he's saying like even the sun rises
00:55:15.940and it doesn't warm my heart it doesn't uh you know bring light to my to my depression um
00:55:25.460And in five, Skirner speaks, thy longings, methinks, are not so large, that thou mayest not tell them to me, since in days of yore we were young together, we too might each other trust.
00:55:44.340so this is starting to build on the character of skirner that he was around even when
00:55:53.660the holy fray was young and there's a couple of of mentionings to the holy fray being young as
00:56:00.000when he first cuts his tooth or loses his tooth he gains all of leo salfheim um as a gift to him
00:56:07.020after the war um and again he is seen as not part and he's not mentioned as partaking in the
00:56:13.480war between the gods but that he does come with his father when there is this mutualism that when
00:56:18.960they they first tried the hostage program and i think that there's a lost story there in which
00:56:24.480after the hostile situation it becomes a kind of a transference where the the the waning gods the
00:56:31.120vanir do live amongst the outs some of them do some of them don't depending on their dominions
00:56:37.160um and how much they they play into the middle world um but we see this as a little leaning
00:56:45.220towards chronological sense with skirner and um and the holy fray he says we've known each other
00:56:52.220for a long time since we were children you should be able to trust me and again this starts off with
00:56:59.080that strong friendship love that, you know, men who have grown up, you know, with a very, very
00:57:07.440close friend. And again, it alludes to Skirner is not an Ause. And he is, he is not an Alvar.
00:57:15.920And that's, we'll go into more of that later. Who is Skirner? And, you know, of my belief is that
00:57:23.940skirner is an exalted soul um so so i want to say something just because it's a good uh
00:57:34.820spot before we go into the next page the way we've got it laid out on the website that we use
00:57:41.060um i've got a couple of questions and i think now is an okay time to hit them because it
00:57:47.140sets tone for some stuff um first is the wolf age our version of the kali yuga
00:57:53.940yes uh spawn and i can go into it or talk them but yes it doesn't require more than yes um
00:58:04.580the yugas are ancient arian concepts just like the ages that you are referring to
00:58:12.660it literally is a one for one that one is easy um on to the most recent question that i this
00:58:21.460is where i think the most relevance is i have a question would you guys say now more than say in
00:58:27.860the recent past uh the jotens are more present as i've noticed the people have gotten much worse
00:58:34.660in many ways and i can feel and see the evil yes but i wouldn't put it that way so chaos is
00:58:45.780more in ascendancy now we are in the wolf age um but the point i want to make with the question
00:58:54.580is the idea of the yotnar one thing it's fun and i've talked about this a lot but we have a whole
00:59:00.020lot of new listeners on a bunch of different platforms that may not have heard this so
00:59:07.620so as i've said a lot vocabulary for metaphysical things is often lacking alphar means lots
00:59:22.620of things it means elves it means souls generally it means the exalted male ancestors it means
00:59:34.460lots of stuff in the same way jotnar are everything from the primal giant ymir to the the frost giants
00:59:48.540to the fire giant giants in musfulheimer um and also big mean evil things in the east0.64
01:00:01.420so there's yotnar that are evil and the forces of you know intentional chaos and malevolence1.00
01:00:09.820and there's yotnar that as we've seen are a beloved of the isir and that they take for wives and that0.81
01:00:17.900are old primal spiritual forces of natural things of primal forces of like
01:00:33.580ancient wisdom and ancient magic so yotnar encompasses a bunch of evil chaotic entities
01:00:48.620i say subconscious and that has a meaning i mean less than conscious i mean like primal conscious
01:00:54.700more than i mean what we would think of as subconscious per se um but they're this anyways
01:01:02.860there's ones that are mean nasty giants that thor goes to bust up in the east and then there's also
01:01:10.860yoknar that are just primal forces that are neutral or that can be benevolent and in alignment
01:01:19.260with the gods depending so the term i i dispute but the concept chaos on the rise we see it all
01:01:25.740around us i don't think it is always from primal natural forces i think very often it is from
01:01:33.180um chaotic forces of entropy and destruction um some of those are malevolent some of those are
01:01:48.780I guess lazy is the best word but I don't necessarily mean that but forces that
01:01:55.740pull us towards entropy and pull us down when we're trying to and i don't think this is wholly
01:02:03.980inaccurate but to liken it to science and i am not a scientist nor a physicist in any way
01:02:12.780which is the concept of of lift and drag and gravity and stuff there are forces that want to
01:02:20.620to pull down when we are trying to elevate and do better things those forces that try to hold back
01:02:30.780or more importantly the forces that try to
01:02:34.420pull into destruction and destroy um something important though yotnar applies to lots of
01:02:46.640different things that are outside of the Aesir, Enten's a little bit less so. And the idea of
01:02:55.920consumption is a big theme linguistically in those forces of consuming and destroying by consumption.
01:03:07.780So I would keep that in mind. But yes, absolutely. We are in the wolf age and chaos is out there
01:03:14.720running wild and doing crazy nonsense and that
01:03:25.360that positions us in a really special time where
01:03:33.120rightly aligned folks and people who are trying to do something beautiful have an opportunity to
01:03:40.240be truly heroic when we are in the golden age and everybody's doing the right thing
01:03:49.440then doing the right thing you're just like everybody else which is awesome that's great
01:03:53.520for existence to be in that place but an advantage of being in a degenerate age where so much is not
01:04:02.720how we want it those of us that do stand up for the iser and for order and for beauty
01:04:11.120and for nobility we get a chance to really shine and each of us are much more special
01:04:18.880than we would be if the whole world was right as it should be we get the opportunity to make much
01:04:25.120more of an impact as an individual as we would in a different situation and that's a unique blessing
01:04:31.200that we have even though there's a lot of things around us we don't like so i would keep that in
01:04:37.440mind and uh i'm sure swan you might have thoughts on this yeah actually those two questions really
01:04:43.280link really well i think that we need to move away from and i spoke of this before that that
01:04:49.360the jotens are like a a different race from the the icier that's like saying that the french and
01:04:58.080the english are a different uh race or or or you know the the germans and and the dutch are a
01:05:05.040different race they are very different in their in in their overall uh you know the cultural stuff
01:05:11.280and and a lot of those things and from a mythic standpoint where what's that i said the dutch got0.77
01:05:19.840chocolatey peat yes and i'm sure the germans are like no no those those are swamp germans those
01:05:26.320are different um they uh you know i we need to get away from that because of course it is clearly0.99
01:05:34.480known that bor is the first house best law is a jotin from the hrim thurser of the primordial
01:05:44.480so jotin first and foremost should always kind of be seen as as as hergo they said ancient
01:05:49.760but it does have linguistic connection to like an icelandic word jarvi jarvi means to
01:05:57.760to consume and it survived in our language with the word scarf and sometimes you know you think
01:06:04.360of the clothing item but other people also say he scarfed down that food is because it still
01:06:09.860holds into connection of the idea that there is a a consumption in the in the mouth of like it's
01:06:15.500just constant. So the biggest culprit of what, and I, I, I think that a lot of people, when they
01:06:24.040look at Ausatru and they go, oh, well, you guys are amoral, or you guys don't have any
01:06:28.500sense of, you know, uh, punishment for wrongdoings or what have you, or you don't necessarily have
01:06:33.940a source. You, a lot of people will, are you, oh no, Loki's not like a, uh, a devil or what have
01:06:39.800you, but there is a clear source of where you're seeing a lot of this coming from. It is Fenris
01:06:46.640Over. Fenris Over, of the three children, is brought into the domiciles of the gods.
01:06:55.380And what happens in the halls of the gods happens in the hearts of men. Seen as the least, you know,
01:07:02.580uh threatening um really because of size but is brought into the halls of the gods0.54
01:07:11.220and raised up and this is this is arian mythos 101 of the binding of a chaotic beast
01:07:17.940but there's some interesting things to note the influx every place that is in the middle world
01:07:26.260excuse me influx in and also out so Fenris is moved from the heavenly realms the upper world
01:07:37.580the place that the origin of time and all things that are ordered he is moved after he is bound
01:07:44.300to the eastern and he is kept in the black lake and it says the sword that holds his mouth open
01:07:51.900he is slobbering his poisonous spit into the lake and it seeps. And remember, just like
01:07:58.760Vonaheim, Vonaheim and Jotunheim, they influx into the middle world just as much as they take0.99
01:08:05.840out. I would say, you know, obviously Jotunheim takes more out than it gives and what it does0.99
01:08:11.260give the gift is, is not good. So oftentimes the chaos that you see, especially in the hearts of
01:08:18.260men, especially in the hearts of the folk, in the minds of the folk, that that sickness, that
01:08:24.240that point of diminishing the power of the souls of the folk hurts the ous, the icier
01:08:32.360directly. And that poisoning, that poisoning of his slobber, that venomous spit is what is,0.94
01:08:41.080i think seeping into the hearts and the minds of in this day and age so oftentimes i will always
01:08:48.360say you know this is the wolf age and with good reason because it is the wolf the varger the the
01:08:54.840the great terrible you know demon wolf that is poisoning um folks minds away from what is good
01:09:04.440what is true and so that's a culprit that i don't ever see anyone talk about and i've always held
01:09:11.800this belief that the they're the wolf age is directly connected to of course the poisoning of
01:09:19.560fenris ulfers slobbering jaws the chaos the the dissipation the venom is all sourced from him as
01:09:27.160it flows from jotunheim into the middle world so we uh
01:09:35.160those those of you that tuned in for a whole lot of skeerness model
01:09:41.400five verses in some of that's due to my tardiness today um but a lot of it
01:09:51.000you guys can read these stories on your own if you want
01:09:53.160what the point of this is is to apply them to our greater mythos and apply them to our religion
01:10:04.940and in order to do that we spend you know spawn and i sometimes it's funny sometimes we'll go
01:10:12.700and we'll knock one out real quick sometimes we'll tediously go over one for a long time
01:10:18.860because things pop up that are important to cover um but about this and understanding
01:10:25.500the forces in opposition to what we do
01:10:31.660there are i guess two flavors of bad guys that are both aligned against us
01:10:40.620and it's important to recognize them both a lot of edgelords want to suggest that
01:10:50.160also true doesn't have polarity between good and evil that's not true but also true is more
01:10:57.300complicated than just that so there's black and white in also true there's also a tremendous
01:11:05.460a tremendous amount of gray area and in that dark gray area is forces of entropy and laziness
01:11:18.180um we have chaos that seeks to actively destroy and burn and break things
01:11:28.740in one sense that's easy to recognize and easy is the wrong word but it's straightforward to come
01:11:38.760to combat there is also aligned with the forces of chaos those forces of subtle decay and entropy
01:11:51.120the forces of laziness of primal not elevating the soul more than the primal and the most
01:12:03.100primal elements are those primal yotnar that have not been awakened um if you read Steve
01:12:10.580McNall and our founder's writings he talks a lot about awakening one of the I guess differences
01:12:19.360between the Aesir and those primal Yotnar that are the progenitors of the Aesir
01:12:26.140is these very powerful primal forces that still slumber and they exist in a sort of slumbering0.98
01:12:33.940state. They're not fully conscious. They're not fully awakened. The Aesir are awakened.
01:12:41.920They're aware of their divinity and that sets them apart. That force of consciousness and will1.00
01:12:48.460sets them apart and is imbued in what we are as the arian or the the noble people um
01:13:00.700we see that all the time it is one thing we have an evil foe to go out and fight
01:13:07.340that attacks us in one way but that force of
01:13:12.860of keeping us from you know keeping us focused on the primal keeping us focused on our bellies
01:13:22.860and our loins and that's what we're focused on nothing higher nothing better keeping us
01:13:28.620in an animal state those forces of entropy serve chaos
01:13:33.580one of the meta themes of our entire mythos and our entire faith is rising above that
01:13:42.760not negating it those things are important hunger and lust and all of those things are great if
01:13:51.140they are under the control of a higher consciousness if they are under the mastery
01:13:57.180of something awakened and something that's upward aimed but those are the forces of degeneracy that
01:14:05.400in a in a it develops the moral trappings but set aside for a moment degeneracy those are forces0.99
01:14:15.240that decay us and bring us down from a higher level that we've brought ourselves to as Aryan0.96
01:14:23.200people things that bring us down stop our progress that's the chaos that is harder to defend against1.00
01:14:33.440because it is much more subtle we see that with all the movement in our lore we see that in the
01:14:40.080march of the cycles that lead towards ragnarok we see that in the sun and the moon staying
01:14:50.000you know just outside of the the gaping jaws of the wolves we see that throughout
01:14:57.680and that's one thing that we see rampant amongst our folk and it's talked about that being a
01:15:03.440hallmark of the wolf age is our tendency to turn on one another and to uh attack each other over
01:15:12.640petty lower concerns rather than elevate bring each other up over that higher goal that we're
01:15:20.640reaching towards and that's why it's important that we're always thinking about what we're doing
01:15:25.280and why we're doing it and keeping victory in sight keeping our eyes on the prize
01:15:30.480that vigilance is what this is this big theme that i talk about why this program is called
01:15:36.480victory never sleeps we have to constantly stay vigilant against those forces of decay
01:15:44.000and to push towards what we're trying to achieve to stay awake and to stay alert
01:15:51.120and this is a lot of talking before we get to uh verse number six so let's carry on with that if
01:15:59.440you will well i think it's great because again this is a shorter poem for sure and um it opens
01:16:08.160up a lot i did want to uh throw a challenge out to the audience um if anyone could name the river
01:16:15.760that flows out of fenris's mouth um and it's an interesting one and i would love to expound on
01:16:22.800that is because i think it's gonna draw a lot of questions so um all right so moving on um
01:16:36.000let's see all right so moving into verse stands or stanza number six um
01:16:42.080um Frey speaks from Gimir's house I beheld go forth a maiden dear to me her arms glittered
01:16:55.520and from their gleam shown all the sea and the sky so now we get
01:17:05.120uh kind of the the connection between our audience is that the features that draw him
01:17:15.200to her the fact that she has these um arms that glittered or they they shine of light
01:17:23.600um there is a gleam and we've mentioned that before in some uh previous episodes in which0.91
01:17:28.700again the beauty standard there was you know if you had swarthy you know shoulders and arms you
01:17:33.500were uh someone who had you know lived or worked in the fields and so a beauty standard of the age
01:17:41.380was definitely the the the fair skin unmarred and just you know holding or shining of the light and
01:17:52.400the other point of this is Gimir's house. So Gimir's house is speaking of Gerdr's father.
01:18:06.800She lives in her father's home, Gimir. Gimir is, it's a bit confusing because we don't quite
01:18:13.640know etymologically what it holds to and there's more confusion because the the jotun who is semi
01:18:24.120aligned with the ouse who sits at the primordial center at the place in which um connected in
01:18:30.600midgard through the waters through the ocean um at the cauldron is a year and so there is reference
01:18:40.200to gimir being ayer um beyond that there isn't much to stand on and it may have been more of a
01:18:49.800linguistic thing in which um snorty was uh utilizing these heights and names that that
01:18:56.440uh repeat themselves um but gamer doesn't have just by itself just doesn't have a solid etymological
01:19:05.800source and i mean i i don't i haven't found anything you know further on that as well um
01:19:15.720but it is also mentioned too and we'll go into gerder's mother as well though she's not mentioned
01:19:23.320um in this poem she's mentioned elsewhere um but she is living with her her mother and father
01:19:33.480which would lend to the idea that the holy fray and uh they are young it's just kind of
01:19:44.280implying it in essence um as opposed to being older and owning their own home so this this is
01:19:50.920a the the the love struck holy fray uh being as a as a young man or as obviously a young house but
01:20:01.400but projected or humor, you're hemorrized as a, as a young man, uh, in stanza seven,
01:20:10.840to me more dear than in days of old was ever made into man, but no one of the gods or elves
01:20:21.000will grant that we both should be together. So he clearly says, uh,
01:20:32.280in the days of old there's never been more a deeper calling between the feminine by the hunger
01:20:40.520or the the desire of the masculine the maiden is to man and this again i think really does emphasize
01:20:48.360an arian um mythos trope that always shows up and is very very important and that is
01:20:57.800the the the masculine energy attaining some wisdom knowledge gifting from the the feminine uh this
01:21:07.480happens within other stories like when we spoke about uh lord odin gaining the the mead of poetry
01:21:15.560from gun loath the battle the battle song and we also see it elsewhere in other uh branches of
01:21:24.280arianism in which you will see the um the stories of the young warrior attaining a blade the young
01:21:31.400warrior attaining a drink the young warrior attaining some magical food and it's guarded
01:21:37.400or presided over by a feminine being um we see it even two surviving in um king arthur attaining the
01:21:46.840sword um from the lady of the lake this is a continuing thing um that is worth noting um
01:21:58.600but he says but no no not one of the gods or of the elves will grant that we both be together
01:22:06.280and again this is simply saying like none of the the lords of order the gods of of the heavenly
01:22:14.600realms, no one's going to support this. So, uh, in verse eight, Skirner speaks.
01:22:26.760Then give me the horse that goes through the dark and the magic flickering flames
01:22:34.480and the sword as well that fights for itself against the giants grin.
01:22:40.680Um, so this is alluding to the sword that, uh, Lord Frey has, and he, it fights for itself. This is, again, a, um, a point of his, as, as Mjolnir is to Lord Thor, this sword is to Holy Frey.
01:23:05.020but it isn't later talked about in this story, but it is alluded to that the sword is lost for
01:23:16.820love. And the only really good proposal that I've ever seen was from a storyteller who proposed
01:23:26.260that the sword was a bride price, if you will, for the loss of Gerther in the home. So in
01:23:34.960essence, it was given to Gimer, um, or the Jotuns, and that is why, uh, it's at such a deficit, and that is why
01:23:42.180the Holy Frey must fight Sotur at the, in Ragnarok, with a antler, a deer antler, um, that's mentioned
01:23:52.720later. So, he takes the, the, the sword, and he takes, um, Lord Frey's, or Holy Frey's, um, horse,
01:24:03.000Blovenhova is the name of Frey's horse
01:31:19.680There's two, if you're following along, there's two stanzas there that are remarked but are gone.
01:31:28.940There are notes in the bottom there about the manuscript and about how the scholar Boog believes that these are placed elsewhere in the poem.
01:31:46.940um i i you know i don't have much of a of a state on that one but it is worth noting if he's saying
01:31:55.340that he's hopped from his horse to loose to grace he's most likely in the surrounding courtyard or
01:31:59.780the surrounding uh land within the fence he's he's made his way in to the inner guard
01:32:07.040so swan we are getting answers into your question about the river flowing
01:32:15.140forth from Fenrir's mouth, the river Vaun, the river of hope.
01:32:22.160Okay, so this is an interesting one. Why would the slobbering poisonous river coming out of
01:32:30.160Fenris Ulver's mouth be called hope? It's because there's a little bit more beyond just hope. So
01:32:36.700Again, reading simply a translation from Wikipedia can be very dangerous because there are other meanings for Vaun, and one of the big ones is expectation or desire.
01:32:51.720And I think that the meaning of Vaun is the desire to poison, the desire for revenge, the desire to break free.
01:33:04.220um and it is interesting and i you know here just looking it up i wanted to to bring it up here is
01:35:15.380defeatism or for long foregone conclusion by so many of our folk that everything must0.96
01:35:29.220just be futile and we can't win anyway and everything sucks and everything's a big scam
01:35:36.500might as well just not do anything and that feeds into what i talked about about
01:35:41.780that lethargy or pull towards entropy that is such a powerful force of chaos we've seen it all the
01:35:54.620time we see it writ large we see it in small scale but when we always assume everything
01:36:02.820must be too good to be true. Everything must be a big lie. We see this displayed in a lot
01:36:12.100of different ways. But one of the things is, you know, if anybody ever does something successful,
01:36:18.840ah, well, it's clearly their feds or that's, you know, that's the people with tiny hats
01:36:26.880and big noses doing it or whatever the case might be that prevents so many good things
01:36:37.720from happening is our constant focus of it's all rigged we can't win anyway so we might
01:36:44.340as well not try that's the easiest way to prevent anything good from ever happening
01:36:53.340It sounds trite, but there's a lot of truth to the idea that what it takes for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing.
01:37:02.500If we're lulled into a sense that we can't do anything, we might as well just entropy into video games and porn and getting on Twitter and doom spiraling.
01:37:16.020Because we can't really get chicks that actually want to know us in a carnal way.
01:37:21.760We can't actually be successful in life.0.95
01:49:09.220And he speaks in return in stanza 18, he says, I am not of the elves, nor the offspring of the gods, nor of the wise wains, though I came alone through the leaping flame, thus to behold thy home.
01:49:27.520And this is where I was making mention that the exalting of the human soul to be lifted up, to be residing with the holy gods, a very special station, a station in which I believe Skinner is a part of.
01:49:47.780I believe that he is an entity that was ascended, if you will. And this is one of those outside of perhaps the Einherjar, or brief mentionings in Bill Skillner with Thor.
01:50:02.840So, he speaks, and he didn't emphasize this earlier in the story, so you kind of have to go with it, but he speaks about what he has.
01:50:14.040um in stanza 19 he says 11 apples all of gold here will i give thee gareth to buy thy troth
01:50:24.060that fray shall be deemed to be dearest to you so like many other aryan branches it's that i have
01:50:34.540come but i have come with the food of the gods i've come with the the sustenance of the gods
01:50:39.860And I will give them to you if you would pledge your love, your loyalty, your faith in my master, the holy fray.
01:50:59.840The idea is just how the offerings and the placements in which he's trying to angle end up falling flat because Gerder is just very unapproachable and very, very cunning in the way that she's angling these desirable things.0.86
01:51:22.660And I think it's also kind of important to note that the Jotun's were often seen as not needing the maintenance of this as they, you know, their erosion over time was much, much slower.
01:51:38.000Um, so, uh, in stanza 20, Gerder says, I will not take at any man's wish these 11 apples ever, nor shall Frey and I one, one dwelling find so long as we two live.
01:51:59.120I don't need the apples. I don't need your Lord. We're never even going to, we'll never ever be in the same place, um, together.
01:52:08.000And so this begins the, the entire crucible of the story is the ray of light from the Lord of the Light Elves goes to the cold and shining earth to bathe it to open up.
01:52:26.420And it's met with resistance, clearly.
01:52:30.560so uh in stanza 21 skinner says then i bring thee the ring that has burned for of old with
01:52:44.640odin's son from it do eight of like weight fall on every ninth night so for those who are unfamiliar
01:52:55.360this is of course drop near the dripping one this is the ring of uh lord odin it's at odin's hof
01:53:05.520you know again writing in the folk futhark there is a band upon his arm and there's also a band
01:53:12.400upon uh balder's arm at balder's hof because the connection of drop near the idea is that
01:53:19.840dropner is given to balder balder goes to the place away from time in the shade beyond the veil
01:53:26.400and waits and then drop near is returned and so it's very interesting that this is added in the
01:53:34.720apples and the ring it doesn't give us a good chronological sense is this before everything
01:53:41.600with baldur is this after it's not quite known but i also think that for poetic verse this is about
01:53:48.960really bringing out the big guns um that our ancestors would have heard this and been like
01:53:57.000man she's that the apples of immortality the ring that produces itself over and over again
01:54:03.420just to emphasize again how cold how hard and how unmoving gerder is
01:54:11.580um in stanza 22 she speaks the ring i wish not though burned it was of old with oath and son
01:54:21.500so here kind of alluding to after the funeral pyre this is the return um drop here
01:54:29.880um or the poem is simply alluding to it because that's how the audience might know it to be
01:54:39.560um in gimmer's home is no lack of gold in the wealth of my father's my father wields so
01:54:50.120she speaks that her the source of her her father her hall has got plenty of riches0.98
01:54:55.660she's not greedy she doesn't need any of that um you know wealth or immortality
01:55:03.580so start to escalate a little bit here oh here's a a note
01:55:13.800um critics of this and new like woke audiences
01:55:20.840whatever hashtag me too on it or whatever the deal is you can see this is a bartering process
01:55:31.180There is an understanding. There is a bride price. There is an understanding that there's the custom of, you know, this is what you do and this is how you make stuff work.
01:55:43.760is you, you offer things and you prove your worth or not. And you, there is this interplay in the
01:55:54.880winning of a spouse, winning of a partner. These things are, especially amongst nobility,
01:56:07.180these things are negotiated and there's a
01:56:13.580commoditization of it in a sense and not in a crass sense but in a very important sense
01:56:21.580and that would have been very familiar to the original audience of this this isn't you know
01:56:27.820this isn't what a modern audience might make it this would make a lot more sense to a uh
01:56:34.700early medieval or late dark age audience and the bride price a lot of people try to
01:56:45.060say oh this is chattel this is them you know buying a woman they're looking at it completely
01:56:52.120wrong of course just because they want to make this patriarchal argument um sure it is buying
01:56:59.420a woman in a sense it's also you buy men you have wear guilt you have a sense of people have a value
01:57:08.780and in a society where those things determine life and death it's meaningful
01:57:16.540um whether we want to realize it or not ever things have value and not all things are equal
01:57:31.180it seems crass to put a value on a human life but in a society where life expectancy is different
01:57:41.260ours human life does have a value how many resources how much resources does that person
01:57:50.380consume how much resource do they provide those things it's it seems impolite to discuss that
01:58:03.260when we live in an age of such abundance but if we didn't those things matter tremendously whether
01:58:12.380it's polite or not it is true um so determining value uh and and this is another time to make a
01:58:24.140note and i am i am taking the long-winded role this evening um but i think this is
01:58:33.020really important to our faith and certainly to our ancestors worldview
01:58:39.580we don't believe in equality in the afa and it's not done in quite as stark survival terms
01:58:49.100as people in the viking age perhaps because we have a lot more wiggle room when it comes to
01:58:58.620survival but worth is really important money is a really easy way to quantify that and it's kind of
01:59:09.660the root of how we value different things and different commodities but it doesn't end at that
01:59:16.060And we see this in the Rune Fehu. We see this idea of value and of worth. Worth is really important. Worth comes with power or reputation.
01:59:31.220hymenia standing before the gods or the folk worth can mean a lot of things but the concept
01:59:39.940of increasing your worth is essential to aussitry and what's more
01:59:47.460um this is this is one of those things we've talked before a number of times about
01:59:52.980we throw out religious words with the bath water too easily because maybe we grew up associating
02:00:04.500them with christianity but christianity in europe is long is largely expressed through words that
02:00:15.300came from our pre-existing religion worship is one of those things
02:00:26.100worship breaks down etymologically into worth ship or assigning worth to or recognizing worth of
02:00:36.500we worship our gods by acknowledging their worthiness or their worth
02:00:43.540um when you'd read medieval literature of Knights they would you know even in the Christian era
02:00:51.700we're you know worshiping anything other than their desert God was considered idolatry
02:00:58.000Knights would go from court to court and tournament to tournament to win worship
02:01:04.960what did that mean it meant to to be to have their worth acknowledged in foreign courts
02:01:13.540In a way, Lord Freyr is sending his man, his manservant to establish his worth in the house or the court of this giantess and her father.
02:11:09.960um destroys you is basically what she's saying um
02:11:15.520so in uh 25 skinner says and this is a repetition line again to build that uh alliteration see thou
02:11:32.560maiden this keen bright sword that i hold here in my hand before its blade the old giant bends
02:11:39.720thy father is doomed to die. So he simply just states, I'll kill your father too.1.00
02:11:52.380So now we've escalated from gift giving to threats, threats of physical violence.0.99
02:12:02.340But what we're going to next is beyond the physical, if you will.
02:12:09.720let me see are we are on 26 correct double checking there's a 20. that'd be the next one
02:12:19.800yeah yeah okay so now we move beyond we for for people that are interested in the runes
02:12:29.560this has a huge chunk of runic uh kind of like it's it's alluding to runic power and how
02:12:38.840serious this is and it's also understood simply that the gods um have formulated runic power
02:12:48.600to such a degree that it's terrifying that lord ovin attaining the runes and then transferring
02:12:56.520the knowledge to the heavenly ones to heimdall even to skirner that the idea of of magical
02:13:05.240knowledge via the runes is not simply something that lord odin is like he's the god of the runes
02:13:14.520again this is alluded to over and over and over again that the gods know the runes because the
02:13:20.360runes are truly magical truly powerful and they are the foundations of the um the building blocks
02:13:27.560of the of the universe and lord voden won that prize and shared it with the heavenly beings
02:13:34.920because again he is the lord of attainment and binding and releasing of fetters or knowledge so
02:13:46.040he turns to say i strike thee made with my magical staff to tame thee to work my will
02:13:56.440there shalt thou go where never again the sons of men shall see thee
02:14:03.400so now he's starting to lay the uh beginning of the threat of the magical runes but it gets
02:14:11.960much worse so basically saying i will banish you to the outer realms
02:14:15.720where no the the sons of men no one with with eyes to perceive you will see you on the eagle's hill0.92
02:14:23.720shalt thou ever sit and gaze upon the gates of hell more loathsome to thee than the light-hued
02:14:33.320snake to men shall thy meat become and this here is the the eagle's hill the the lonesome place in
02:14:45.560which the hunter perches the wind blown place um and you will stare and look upon the gates of the
02:14:52.200dead you shall be in a place on the outskirts in between physical and timelessness and you will be
02:15:02.840so uh lost of pot pallor you'll be like uh you know like a yellowed snake um and that you know
02:15:14.280your flesh will become um of that now this is an interesting one too
02:15:20.680because when we speak of the the meat remember to meet uh especially in anglo-saxon just meant
02:15:28.840food so it the the question that i've had about this one was if there's a connection there would
02:15:37.720it be that um her skin her pallor is is becoming sickly um and is you know uh unwanted her flesh0.93
02:15:49.240will be unwanted the other is is that uh she will become so thin and so gaunt and so dropped that she
02:16:01.320is not a of a meal she cannot be consumed um no one would want her and i think that's a alluding
02:16:10.680to desire the idea is that um uh kind of like you know in the old cartoons when you saw the
02:16:17.320when the cartoon saw like it would have a feminine woman and then the guy would turn into a wolf and
02:16:22.440start slavering at the jaws or what have you i i the meaning of this um is interesting if you will
02:16:31.080but you know again it that you will turn into the power of a of a of an ormia snake um loathsome and
02:16:40.200undesired um and it gets worse again so in 28 fearful to see if thou comest forth you will be
02:16:52.840terrible to look upon in luck primner will stand and stare men will marvel at thee more feigned
02:17:00.680shalt thou grow than the watchmen of the gods more famed than heimdall himself peer forth then from
02:17:09.240thy prison. Rage and longing, fetters and wrath, tears and torment are thine. Where thou sittest
02:17:23.120down, my doom is upon thee of heavy heart and double dole. For anybody that's not familiar
02:17:32.200with the word dole, it means the handing out. That which I am handing upon you will be heavy
02:17:38.700upon your heart and you will sit down and uh be filled with rage be filled with desire the the
02:17:47.180fetters of wrath and tears of torment will hold you and this is where this poetic part is really
02:17:53.900really good um the way that they're doing the alliteration and just kind of driving it um
02:18:00.460bellows is imperfect but when he's on he's really on i think a lot of this is expressed really
02:18:10.540really beautifully um and some of the passages are confusing of why he made certain choices
02:18:17.580others are really really well done yeah i one thing i we passed through that i i wanted to
02:18:26.140bring up too is the the idea that or when he says three runes i shall write against you
02:18:32.940three thirst runes three cursing runes the word thirst is very akin i think in equivalency to
02:18:41.740perhaps the christianized word demon so these are like just evil runes to work against you to curse
02:18:49.820you and he's speaking about the nature of what they can cause and so you know the um
02:18:56.620the equivalency there is that is like not only am i going to bring runes against you i'm going
02:19:01.900to bring the worst runes against you the three thirst runes um in uh 30 he says in the giants
02:19:13.740home shall vile things harm thee each day with evil deeds grief shalt thou get instead of gladness
02:19:22.300and sorrow to suffer with tears so you will suffer violence in the hands of those around you
02:19:27.900you will constantly be pursued um for violence or for you know terrible things never never love
02:19:36.220never hope never um gladness it will be you know to be struck to be shunned and to be uh spit upon
02:19:45.580is uh is what he's he's going with here these runes will conjure up this curse
02:19:52.060that will produce a such a terrible state um and he says in 31
02:19:59.820with three-headed giants thou shalt dwell ever or never know a husband let longing grip thee
02:20:10.460let wasting waste thee be like to the thistle that in the loft was cast and there was crushed
02:20:19.980um again just uh you know you if you do dwell with anyone it will be with the horrid it will
02:20:30.860be with the lower it will be with the the mutated and and afflicted um and you will be you know
02:20:38.360again afterwards be tossed away um i go to he now he's speaking again of the wand he says i go to
02:20:50.020the wood and to the wet forest to win a magic wand i won a magic wand now there is
02:20:58.540a break there again in the in the uh stanza uh the the two stanzas or perhaps one stanza are lost
02:21:08.140Um, but again, referring to the fact that he has gone to the wood to gain this, this tine, this staff or stavr, this, um, you know, this sliver of wood upon which he will carve, um, these curses upon.
02:21:28.320Um, and he says in 33, Othin grows angry and angered is the best of the gods.
02:33:00.780Kingship to our ancestors, certainly in the Norse period and the Anglo-Saxon period, very much was related, like your legitimacy as a ruler was related to the fertility of the fields during your reign.
02:33:27.660And kings would be deposed and ritually sacrificed if, you know, all of a sudden they become king and the gods show their disfavor by famine and, you know, low crop yields during your reign.
02:33:45.780And the idea, very, very specifically, and we have stories of this in the lore, I think in the Gesta Denorum, I think also in some of the other sagas, the idea that the Swedes, who particularly venerated Freyre,
02:34:07.900there was a a whole mythology built around the king's ability to provide a bountiful yield
02:34:17.840so if the earth was unyielding and the crops were not bountiful
02:34:23.280that was a curse from the gods and a rejection of a king and of a of a royal house
02:34:34.300um a specific story fails me now and if i would have thought about it earlier i would
02:34:42.280have googled it on the side so i looked like a boss on it but um
02:34:47.200but okay swan's gonna know what i'm talking about the idea that king
02:34:52.500was good at it he passed the fields were crap and then they put offerings into his borrow
02:35:00.040into his mound in order to receive his good good luck his you know i when i phrase it his like0.70
02:35:11.640fertility of the fields luck would be extended to the kingdom after his passing all of these things
02:35:19.160are extremely relevant to kingship and they're also extremely connected to fray and the line of
02:35:26.580The Englands who are descended of Frey or trace their royal lineage and legitimacy to Lord Frey.
02:35:33.780So the idea of him taming the unyielding and, you know, earth that does not want to be fruitful to him has a lot of deeper meanings in our mythos in other ways.
02:35:50.260This story portrays it poetically and in a really understandable way, but it applies in a deeper way to other sagas and other materials that we'll go over at a later time.
02:36:07.740The idea that he has the ability through his regnum, through his manservant, through his power to compel the earth to, without trying to be vulgar, to open her loins to him, to produce, that means a lot.
02:36:35.180And it's got much, much deeper meanings.
02:38:43.240But she is never listed in the Al-Senor list.
02:38:46.760So with the hierarchy kind of nomenclature that we use, the most respectful, because again, I don't like using the word like troll wife or giant wife or Jotun bride,
02:38:59.160side because it just kind of alludes to this false narrative of like there's they're separated by0.96
02:39:05.880something like a race as a race um it makes them
02:39:13.080it makes them ugly or hideous or monstrous and there are trolls and yoknar that are spoken about0.99
02:39:24.360and the lord that have all these different heads and eyes and are gross and are obviously disgusting0.96
02:39:31.800but there are other you know giants and giantesses that are beautiful and um it's not a0.58
02:39:44.200again this is all self-contained amongst our race and our racial gods and our racial mythos
02:39:53.720our gods don't we don't have lore of our gods interacting with
02:40:02.200asian gods or african gods or other this is self-contained in our soul
02:40:10.200our soul complex and our cosmology that relates to us specifically and our gods
02:40:16.920um we don't have reason to believe that the yotnar are relevant to other races of people
02:40:26.620they're relevant to us and our existence so these aren't like different races of gods that is a
02:40:35.320modern woke nonsense that folks try to push um and it
02:40:45.560one thing that's really important in our mythos is beauty and the
02:40:55.240devolving of beauty into something gross and ugly when it's bad good and virtuous things
02:41:02.920poetically are described beautifully because
02:41:12.200and this is i i hope i explain this in a way that makes sense
02:41:21.080we talk about our woed self or i guess our owned self in a way
02:41:27.000Our higher self, the true vision of who we are, expresses our hymenia, our spiritual
02:41:40.240might, the entirety of our person and is not an image of any infirmity we might have or
02:41:55.580withering of age so nobility and strength of character and worth are seen by our gods and by
02:42:07.580our woe self as beautiful but even if there's a 10 but they're terrible and they're horrible people
02:42:19.980and they have no value and they have no soul and they're out there
02:42:27.900committing vile deeds they may be super hot by whatever our lower vision is
02:42:38.620by an evolved spiritual vision their woed self is ugly it's hideous and so when we read our lore
02:42:47.500Or beauty equates to a spiritual value, whereas ugliness equates to a poverty of spiritual values, if that makes sense.0.99
02:43:09.980So some of these, these yotnesses are, are beautiful and amazing and are welcomed by our gods as brides. Whereas others that are malevolent and evil intended and chaotic and bad are described as, you know, these hideous, you know, hags that do, you know, that are the stuff of nightmares.0.96
02:43:33.600and that differentiation kind of helps you plot where because as i said earlier the term
02:43:40.400yoknar applies to a wide spectrum of creatures so that gives you the idea of what's bad versus
02:43:46.880what's not so bad i don't think that was nearly as clear as i wanted it to be but i hope it helps
02:43:55.680move in the right direction. I could not hear you, Svon.
02:44:08.980Oh, sorry. I muted it so that I didn't pop a can while you were talking. A lot of, you
02:44:16.480know, the addition or understanding of the oust veneer, the beloved ones, you know, looking
02:44:22.160at the gilfaginning and seeing the ausenir list seeing um you know friga and freya and the maidens
02:44:31.000of fensaler and then the divine feminine beings that are outside of that are generally listed
02:44:37.620as the ausvenir we don't really go into say perhaps where they might come from there's still
02:44:42.500mystery on that uh lore based wise but the general idea for the for the folks listening is that an
02:44:48.780Ostevanir is brought into the fold because they align themselves with the gods. They align
02:44:53.960themselves with order, and they are not the Vanir. Some people project perhaps mostly Jotun,
02:45:05.200but also Alvar, especially with Lady Ethan. But the idea is that they become beloved ones because
02:45:13.020they join with a line and contribute to the overall the siding with order as opposed to the
02:45:20.900dissipation and um that's where we find like grither the mother of of vidar and we find
02:45:28.800render the mother of ali and idun um and so on so that the those nomenclatures are a little bit
02:45:37.880different than I think any of the lore that some people have been pushing out elsewhere about the
02:45:43.160religion. Swan, you are the only person that I hear talking about Thor's whooping stick he had
02:45:48.440before the, uh, before Mjolnir. Yeah. GrÃðr. GrÃðrvór. The, the, the stick, the, the stick of
02:45:57.260aggression. The iron rod of aggression. Yes. Given to him by GrÃðr before she had, uh, become the
02:46:06.640mother of Vidar, she gave Thor the staff in order to rise up the ground above him so that he could1.00
02:46:14.800shield himself from the onslaught of Thurses and Jotuns. So she helped him, and thus started the1.00
02:46:21.940relationship of aligning with the gods. And of course, she's kind of always seen as the
02:46:28.280the the um dominion of of earthquakes and tectonicness and i know that a lot of people
02:46:36.760will say well like no the whole thing with loki and the kettle groves and that's what makes all the
02:46:42.360the um earthquakes and what have you i think that grither is seen as the kind of the
02:46:48.200the sister of yarder yarder is the giving earth grither is the the venomous the the one with the
02:46:55.960geysers and sulfuric acid and the crushing of the earthquakes and flames and lava if you will so
02:47:04.840uh that's interesting too especially in relation to like thunderstorms and and eruptions but
02:47:10.760that's a whole nother thing um so um we get a brief take us home we're almost there so then
02:47:21.800skirner rides home frey stood without and spoke to him and asked for tidings
02:47:31.88041. tell me skirner ere thou take off the saddle or fairest forth a step so tell me before you
02:47:40.760even get out of the saddle or before you even place a foot on the ground what hast thou done
02:47:46.920in the giant's dwelling to make glad thee or me so what have you done in that place the the the
02:47:54.120jotun's hall that would make you and me finally happy and skinner speaks he says body there is
02:48:04.120a body b-a-r-r-i there is which we both know well a forest fair and still and it's worth noting that
02:48:12.600the word that they use in the old norse is he says he says body height there but the word lunder
02:48:18.440lunder means a copse of trees uh kind of a a gathering of trees perhaps in a in a place
02:48:26.120surrounded by um you know not forest like flatlands and i often wonder now look looking at this because
02:48:34.360i didn't think about it until tonight is like what if it is a copse of trees in the center of a marley
02:48:39.880field but um i don't know i'm sure i'm grasping on that one but we're just kind of imagining
02:48:46.040so i know because i put it out there i looked it up just to check myself
02:48:49.880i hesitated earlier he who hesitates is lost i'll take that um hello hey hey frayer
02:48:59.720is hello my name is frayer in old norse i checked it just to make sure that's legit
02:49:07.560it's progress i should have just said it when i thought it but i didn't yeah that's me yeg is i
02:49:15.000hate the is your title and it's it's the same as when we speak of uh lord odin's heighties
02:49:21.480um it's his you know my title is the trick with old norse and other languages that i run into
02:49:29.160is the declinations i can get the basic root words put together but the idea of how they work
02:49:35.960in conjunction due to tense and what they apply to that's something i'm working on i say this
02:49:42.600as a slight plug to hey if you guys are interested memorize uh there is a user created course on
02:49:52.760old norse which is really cool i'm enjoying it a lot so far um and i'm also taking icelandic
02:50:00.440because the two work in conjunction with one another it is believed that modern icelanders
02:50:07.560could speak with you know vikings they would sound old-timey but you would understand it's
02:50:15.320like charles dickens you know could talk to you and you'd understand what he was saying
02:50:19.960it would just sound antiquated um so yeah i would invite you guys to get on that um
02:51:23.300All right, somebody's got to let Alex know.
02:51:27.300And so then at the last stanza, stanza 43, there is this kind of, I really, really like this stanza because it basically just says, how can we, you know, how can we meet in nine nights when one night is torture?
02:51:48.640when one night is is um it's so it's so kind of like ending on the the overly emotional note and
02:51:58.380i could i just feel that the the poem really takes that turn um and expresses it well because
02:52:04.280phrases uh in 43 long is one night and longer are two how then i shall even bear three often to me
02:52:13.100has a month seemed less than how half a night of desire so he's just he's he leads with kind of
02:52:21.580like a looking off and going like how am i gonna even make it you know to this time um
02:52:28.460when he's been so lovestruck and it's also worth noting that and they don't speak about it in the
02:52:35.480poem is that the Holy Fray sits on the battle shelf of Lord Odin, where no one's supposed to
02:52:48.800sit. And what he attains from that is, again, he becomes inflicted by his awareness of all things,
02:52:59.700And in particular, when he sees Gerther. So it's just kind of an interesting thing. And it kind of alludes to perhaps the equating amongst our ancestors where the holy fray was certainly a part of the tripartite and was utilized quite often.
02:53:24.080And I think that when people talk about, oh, there's a cult of Lord Odin and Tyr and how they kind of usurped each other.
02:53:32.380But I think there's more of a case to say that the stance of worship towards Lord Tyr in our folk was supplanted by the worship of the Holy Frey.
02:53:48.280And especially with that, like you had mentioned, with the Swedes and a lot of the Baltic faith there.
02:55:04.020So, it depends on the circumstance, but showing yourself to be potent and capable and demonstrating your worth and, to a degree, the lengths you are willing to go to win her love is.
02:55:34.500threats of violence or you know may every dude you get with be hideous and may you
02:55:40.820you know have longing and you know all these maybe not in our cultural expression but the idea of
02:55:50.340proving yourself is timeless and is valuable and it takes a different shape in different times in
02:56:00.500different cultural situations but you see this a lot and there's a fundamental truth there on proving
02:56:10.500that you're willing to fight for her and that's a common term and it means different things
02:56:20.500sometimes and it seems concerning to us in our current context you know the idea of
02:56:28.660raiding and taking women off as captives but your desire to put your life on the line to win the
02:56:37.620prize of this woman means something yeah obviously in 2024 that means something really different
02:56:46.020but your ability to commit and put the things that you value in the balance in order to
02:56:55.460to make the union that matters it's a demonstration of commitment and that's one of the big
02:57:07.620the big truths that I think this really does display to sacrifice those things to be willing
02:57:18.080to give up your magical sword that fights on its own and all of these things, that shows that you
02:57:26.000are committed. It's not frivolous. It's not on a whim. You are committed to this pursuit.
02:57:36.600The commitment matters. So often what we see in modern situations amongst both men and women,
02:57:44.620but particularly amongst men is a lack of wanting to commit to something and to really
02:57:54.860put themselves at risk and open themselves to um
02:58:01.260incur a cost to pursue something that they value uh you know why buy the cow when you
02:58:08.860get the milk for free is the old adage and there's some value to that so i mean sending your man
02:58:18.700servant to to threaten people with curses and terrible things and with magic spells is probably
02:58:26.460not gonna gonna get you the ladies i think that showing that you are completely committed to this
02:58:35.580cause and you'll do whatever it takes to to win the win the heart of the the woman that you seek
02:58:43.980i think that matters a lot and i think those things are kind of antiquated
02:58:50.940but sometimes if you do them with confidence and you pursue them
02:58:58.300i think that has a value and a pull that otherwise it might not and again i'm a dude sitting here
02:59:04.940talking to you maybe you want to ask some some ladies that question and they might put it in0.80
02:59:10.140different terms that are more useful um it's
02:59:25.500well it's hard to equate but so when uh when i met mandy
02:59:29.500i was you know i lived halfway or halfway around the world might be an overstatement i said i live
02:59:39.660in alaska and she lived in florida and in order to make that work and to win her i was like you
02:59:48.060know what cool i'm packing up i'm divesting of everything i own up here in alaska i'm packing
02:59:54.940up my life and i'm going to move across the country we're going to see what happens
02:59:59.900and i left everything i knew and i moved to a humid festering swamp that is florida and i uh
03:00:13.420i took that leap to do it and you know we're about to celebrate our seventh anniversary and
03:00:22.060we have a beautiful daughter and amazing life together and showing your ability to
03:00:29.100really go all in on something that you care about i do think that matters
03:00:37.420if that addresses your question i hope it does so we got a few other questions tonight we've
03:00:42.540answered some of them we don't have an abundance and honestly it's getting late so that's probably
03:00:57.260wow an entire poem finished in one episode we can do it it happens every now and again
03:01:02.220yeah it's no guarantee there's no guarantee past performance is not a guarantee of future uh
03:01:09.980future things but we did it we did it with far through this mal
03:01:16.460so keep this in mind not only did we do it in one episode but i i blabbed on for a long time
03:01:26.780about a lot of different things so we were able to do it with a lot of time to spare
03:01:33.500um honest and so okay jokingly yeah we just go where the conversation takes us and it does and
03:01:42.060it's fun very importantly and spiritually these things spark um points of connectivity
03:01:54.060that as priests of the isir swan and i notice that we really want to impart to you guys so
03:02:00.780inside baseball on some of this you may have noticed there is not a library of books written
03:02:06.940by myself i can't do that i can do this though what i can do is when conversationally
03:02:16.540talk a lot about this that is that i've devoted my life to and i believe in exchange for that
03:02:24.780devotion that i've been blessed greatly by the iser and i've been given a lot of gifts in my
03:02:34.780life and some of that is insight into these things and so when the opportunity presents itself
03:02:43.100with a point or a way that something's phrased or a question this is my chance to get
03:02:52.140that out there and to share that with the folk in the way that i feel best suited to and i feel
03:02:58.940like i know how to do and so some of that you know sometimes i'll go on for forever sometimes
03:03:08.140fun will and i'll take a break and go put my daughter to bed and do other things
03:03:13.340and come back and he's still going and didn't miss a beat that's happened i promise you i have
03:03:19.980paused and muted i've gone use the restroom put my daughter to bed gone got something to eat come
03:03:25.980back didn't miss a beat because he's on and i love that you'll hear um
03:03:34.140a few episodes ago with me and spawn i hardly said anything i was sitting listening to spawn
03:03:40.940in his glory just do his thing a lot of us do that you may not know but on our gothar calls
03:03:45.980we do that a lot um because it's really special to just i think the kids use the term sit under
03:03:54.620his learning tree sometimes and so when something strikes us either of us kind of go off on these
03:04:02.940things and i hope you guys find them at least entertaining and at best useful in some way
03:04:12.300we sure enjoy doing them and i appreciate you guys as an audience
03:04:16.140so looking over on the side trying to see where we're at on a couple of questions here are you
03:04:28.440all right Matt now this was asked way back when when I showed up 20 minutes late to my own show
03:04:34.560I am and I apologize for my tardiness tardiness like I said so
03:04:39.600so i work from home doing afa things and my wife gets off
03:04:46.260at three which is about three hours before this broadcast comes on
03:04:51.820takes about a half hour ish to get 20 minutes half hour to get home0.99
03:04:55.860and then we got to sort out my daughter's nonsense because she runs in the room and1.00
03:05:02.000she needs a hundred percent attention of her mom when her mom gets home so whenever we get that
03:05:08.380sorted then i try to run to the gym at the gym usually i can get it done and i can just beat
03:05:15.980rush hour to get home and get on here on time but what happened today was some complications came up
03:05:24.620in your top district as happens uh there was recently some tornadoes through there and so i
03:05:30.620was kind of helping some people arrange some logistics which pushed a couple of things back
03:05:37.020i got about three exercises i'm going to do tomorrow to make up for what i didn't do today
03:05:42.700but it meant by the time i got back on the road i hit the traffic the other thing that happened
03:05:48.300besides the traffic was some kind of horrendous accident on i-80 that meant everybody else was
03:05:56.620going on the back roads that i usually get me home quickest so a couple of things conspired to
03:06:04.060thwart me being here on time luckily we have wit and spawn here taking over and doing an amazing
03:06:10.460job of it but yes i'm all right um you know what i'm doing extra all right again from the good
03:06:19.580people at costco and the people that claim they are the copper can but make their can out of
03:06:24.300aluminum and not copper they could color it orange to pretend but they didn't um anyways delicious
03:06:32.780moscow mules don't support the communism but do support the moscow mule
03:06:41.100that said no honestly they really aren't good i was kind of surprised by that
03:06:47.340um something else this seems like a random side note but i think it's worth mentioning because
03:06:55.100it's good and i encourage you guys to get it also at costco they've got real good brand chicken
03:07:02.460strips they taste awesome if you cook them in the air fryer they're just like chicken strips they're
03:07:10.860amazing but the macros are super good and super friendly to anything healthy you're trying to do
03:07:17.820and if you get that with some ebbingd gentleman named hughes makes sugar-free sauces but his
03:07:27.340ketchup his barbecue sauce or i would recommend his honey mustard that and those real good chicken
03:07:33.740strips you can eat something extremely delicious that really does fit your macros and is super
03:07:41.740healthy honestly it's the best of both worlds it's if you're a person who likes to eat and
03:07:48.300doesn't want to deprive yourself and be super strict that's become mandy and my's go-to and
03:07:53.420a lot of stuff and it's it's really good this is completely random to throw in on this episode
03:08:00.060but trust me give it a try you will thank me i promise um tons of costco plugs tonight you know
03:08:09.980they provide me with fine products also their pizza the pizza's like ten dollars you can get
03:08:15.340an extra large pepperoni pizza does not fit any of the macros i just talked about completely
03:08:21.180going off the reservation it's a huge pizza it's delicious for ten dollars though so i digress
03:08:29.340as you might have noticed something that i've been thinking about this from the wolf throne
03:08:34.300if ragnarok has already happened is happening and will happen then does ragnarok even have
03:08:40.620any significance swan what say you yes i think that when you're looking at that
03:08:51.180as um you know basically what your question is kind of coming off as is if mythic time cannot
03:08:58.320be confined or constrained or um does it lose its relative sense like uh again it's the concept
03:09:08.180a friend for everyone is a friend to no one so if it's in an all times then does it have
03:09:12.420any significance i think that the yes it does because anybody who hasn't experienced it or
03:09:22.700hasn't experienced the great kind of breaking apart of things um it's important and will be
03:09:29.720vitally important to everyone who experiences it but the idea again of is those who well
03:09:36.240experienced those who have experienced its value is eternal it's a perennial truth that's what
03:09:45.980makes it eternal or makes it again in the in has happened is happening and will happen is the
03:09:54.080perennial truth but the experience of it is what will make it absolutely and vitally important
03:10:03.960It's just, again, if you prepare for something in the future by seeing its worth now and seeing the worth of that which was experienced before, you become part of and interconnected into the entirety of that cycle, if you will.
03:10:22.460So does it matter? Does it even matter?
03:11:16.740In fact, that's spoken about in our lore.
03:11:18.900However, what I think does matter in a lot of ways is the idea of as above, so below.
03:11:29.420There are perennial truths to these cycles that we experience in different forms and different ways in our lives, I think.
03:11:38.820And this seems hippy-dippy and nonsense and whatever, but to relate something large to something small doesn't necessarily trivialize it.
03:12:04.120to relate a small experience that we experience as humans to something grand
03:12:13.180isn't necessarily inappropriate as long as our mind is in the right place and piety is in our
03:12:21.520heart. And this may not seem connected, but it really is. And I hope this makes sense to folks
03:12:29.880listening, when I talk to our Gothar, and those who may be
03:12:38.280listening, the Gothar are our priests, I think externally
03:12:45.600when people get involved, and this is changing, but when I
03:12:49.340got involved, certainly, people thought it was about, you
03:12:53.500know, basically being a master of ceremonies for big religious
03:12:57.300events i mean i'd say it's four fifths if not more counseling and dealing with people on personal
03:13:13.140spiritual needs much more than it is leading bloats and i mean i i love to lead a bloat i
03:13:21.120love to stand before our gods and help connect our folk to our gods i try really hard at that
03:13:29.360there's many times i felt successful at i felt very successful at it i hope i do well at it
03:13:36.640much more of my time as a priest has been spent counseling and helping people in their lives
03:13:42.800So I say that to say this, you've got to reset your expectations depending on who you speak to.
03:13:54.560If you speak to a veteran who has witnessed people that were their brothers that meant the world to them die in horrific ways on foreign soil.
03:14:08.800and you might have had to do tremendously awful things
03:14:17.360depending on the circumstance to make it through and to keep you and your guys you know victorious
03:14:25.280and healthy what you consider a really bad day is going to look really really different than when
03:14:36.980deal with a kid that hasn't experienced any of that i mean shoot maybe there are a young kid in
03:14:45.620college same age you know you got a veteran over here that's watched you know 10 of his squatties
03:14:53.700die of whatever on foreign soil with whatever survivor guilt they might have whatever they're
03:15:02.740dealing with and then you've got this kid over here that hasn't seen anything but his dog died
03:15:14.180even if that's the context maybe that's the worst day he has ever had
03:15:21.540so it is as significant to him as this greater tragedy is to another man with another life and
03:15:33.840another experience everyone's got a different point of where that is if we're respectful and
03:15:42.540self-aware and when the two meet on the street dude whose dog dies realized his is nowhere near
03:15:49.260this other man he's talking to but the veteran realizes his is nowhere near
03:15:58.020the all fathers of the death of his son and the imposition of Ragnarok
03:16:05.860all of those things are important all of those things are a tragedy in their own right in their
03:16:11.240own context if you're self-aware and you understand that then they have value in each of those
03:16:19.160circumstance there are little ragnarok's all the time there are historic ragnarok's all the time
03:16:30.200there are bigger cultural ragnarok's throughout history then there is the epic ragnarok of divinity
03:16:41.240And their existence does not negate or lessen any of the other, but it does teach us a lesson of cyclical rebirth and cataclysm and building up strength for those situations.
03:17:02.200And the existence of one or another at different time and different place doesn't negate any of the others.
03:17:09.540They can all exist in our multiverse simultaneously or at dissimilar times and still each be relevant and valuable.
03:17:23.620And if that sounds like a bunch of nonsense, I get it and I don't fault you.
03:17:29.220I hope it makes some kind of sense.0.98
03:17:31.640If it doesn't make sense, that's my fault and not the ICers.0.99
03:17:35.720But I hope that it does make a little bit of sense here and there.
03:17:39.540Swan, you may have something to add on this that helps clarify it.
03:17:43.540Yeah, I think that understanding the Ragnarok in a chronological sense would be, yes, that we are coming to an unending, but that that unending is the perennial truth that we can experience many times over.
03:18:05.540It's in the past because it is that internal and that, that happens throughout all of it. Um, you know, a foreigner, a foreign element, an outsider turning a blind brother's hand against his other brother. That's, uh, that's a perennial truth of that story. Um, there is many, uh, again, the sacrifices that you have to make in order to gain, you know, knowledge that the, the cunning you might have to
03:18:35.520use all of these truths are kind of outside of the chronological view of the mythos and i think
03:18:45.520that's what is ultimately being missed it's not it's um that's what we're referring to when it's
03:18:52.880in the future it's in the present it's in the past um that makes that eternal sense and again
03:18:59.280it's if you're looking at it like well i need to know like the timing of when these things
03:19:04.560and i was speaking of it too you know is this before balder's death is this after
03:19:09.280balder's death we're speaking about that in a uh in the chronological sense to make sense of the of
03:19:17.280the mythos to kind of delve into uh where this might be perceived but that's that's where it
03:19:24.720stays outside of that there that the time is and i don't think it's inappropriate to view it as a
03:19:34.240motif to put other things in context of um spawn and i were both recently working on a document
03:19:46.000to where we were likening or i was likening um
03:19:56.000I don't want to put it, the breaking of our ancestors' troth with the Iser and the imposition of Christianity to that Ragnarok and the reforging of Alcetru in last century as the rebirth and as when, you know, the waters receded and the sons and daughters of the gods took their0.85
03:20:26.000holy seats and Leif and Leithersir emerged from Yggdrasil onto the earth reborn and picked up the0.93
03:20:35.720pieces of the the chess table of the gods were was restored I think seeing it in those terms
03:20:44.140is healthy and it may not be the Ragnarok but perhaps it is a Ragnarok and and I think there's
03:20:52.600truth to be found there um next question uh also from wolf throne and we'll throw you ask really
03:21:03.320good questions you were on here every week and you ask a lot of questions and they have value
03:21:11.960and i appreciate that and i want you to know we appreciate you being being a fan or at the very
03:21:18.040least a lawyer a loyal uh participant in the program and you've added a lot to it your questions
03:21:24.760have spawned at this point hours and hours of content that have benefited hundreds of people
03:21:31.880easily is norse shamanism legit and what does it have to do with fausa true
03:21:48.040So what Norse shamanism are you talking about?
03:21:52.780And that is the, as with so many of our answers, they are less satisfying than they could be because to borrow from the Christian lexicon, the devil is in the details.
03:22:10.540Sure, absolutely, in a way, Odin winning the runes is Norse shamanism.
03:22:18.040There is shamanic practice of people within Ausatru going on spiritual journeys beyond the veil and bringing back insight into the world.
03:22:34.360That's absolutely legit. It happens. It's a thing.
03:22:39.020Lots and lots of people that pretend they are shamans are not and are lunatics.0.73
03:22:45.100lots and lots of people that want to sell themselves to you as shaman
03:22:50.920don't want to go through the process of becoming a go-fi or
03:22:56.840being trained in a legitimate way but claim that as a shortcut and spew nonsense at you
03:23:07.540so the trick is being able to figure out who to trust and not to trust is it a thing absolutely
03:23:18.520it's a thing it is a it is a human truth that there are people that are able to transcend
03:23:26.900and beyond the veil have insight into other forms of existence
03:23:36.000and bring that insight back and inform the people that they trust
03:23:41.720with the knowledge that they've gained.
03:23:45.460There are also a whole lot of people that just make stuff up0.95
03:49:59.020So, AFA's stance on it, we don't really have a culture that has the same mythos as reinforcing it, like, every year we have a raiding season we can send young men on, and, you know, that be their initiation into manhood is that first conflict.
03:50:27.120but it's really important and I think first I don't think every man knows that
03:50:34.720if you have never been in a fight and you are a grown man
03:50:41.760you feel somewhere like you wish you did you wish you could and there's a part of you that
03:50:50.100doesn't know how you measure up every one of us can trace who has been in a fight can trace back
03:50:58.600that first moment or that first really feeling of that some of us with something silly and
03:51:10.160inconsequential some of us with on battlefields where life and death is involved in a really
03:51:19.080different way but that's absolutely a thing that is inherent to masculinity and i would encourage
03:51:33.240every young man to get that figured out now there are ways to do that i'm not just saying go out
03:51:39.880and like find somebody and pick a fight with them um i think encouraging folks to get involved in
03:51:46.840combat sports and ways to where you can do that in an environment where you're least likely to get
03:51:57.240permanently damaged or to permanently damage somewhere someone else that's valuable
03:52:04.840i'll tell you this i was and i've said this a million times on here but i'll say it a million
03:52:10.760more if need be it was important to me um i was a nerd in high school i never did anything i wasn't
03:52:18.440part of sport i wasn't in any fights can't get any fights if you're just hanging out in mom's0.65
03:52:23.000basement or with your like lame ass friends in their basement um it's not really a thing
03:52:29.880but i reached a point in my life after i graduated where i decided you know kind of0.84
03:52:34.680who i wanted to be versus who i was i started working out i took a fight on a dare at thursday
03:52:46.440night fights you know local kind of tough man boxing thing and then i also because i wanted to
03:52:54.520test my mettle and see who i was i picked the roughest bar in town and decided to bounce there
03:52:59.000because i knew i was going to get into some stuff you guys have heard a lot of my bouncing stories
03:53:04.920you will hear more taught me so much about who i was about other people about conflict resolution
03:53:15.400about how to work within a team because we have 13 guys that were bouncing sometimes there were
03:53:22.200guys watching my back sometimes it was my job to watch theirs it was in a spot where we were
03:53:27.320wearing kevlar and there was gunplay in the parking lot knives and models and craziness and
03:53:36.360fighting samoans and all variety of earth fauna and uh
03:53:46.600learned a lot of things tell you this i learned a lot more from the times
03:53:50.600i came up short than from the times i was on top
03:53:53.640um the first foray into it was thursday night at the fight so i was one of those guys that when i
03:54:03.720would sit and i'd watch like usc or at the time like pride and i'd watch stuff and i always had
03:54:09.640big opinions about when somebody should tap out and what's going on you know he's weak you should
03:54:16.200stand up and i you should i had all kind of opinions i all the opinions you could ever ask
03:54:22.600for but they were based on nothing um so one morning i can still remember exactly where i was
03:54:30.920one morning and it was like it was like 5 30 or 6. i was sound asleep i got a call from my buddy
03:54:38.520and he was uh he was the producer of local anchorage at the time like local morning show
03:54:47.720that was a big deal bob and mark show um a shout out to bob lester and mark calavecchio you guys
03:54:57.720are cool guys uh miss you guys hope you guys are doing good i haven't talked to those guys in a
03:55:03.000really long time but anyways they were the show in the anchorage market and he was producing and
03:55:10.520like woke me up out of dead sleep but all of a sudden i'm like groggy and i'm on the radio in
03:55:15.240in front of all of my hometown, and Matt, we challenge you to Thursday Night at the Fights.
03:55:21.820Will you box at Thursday Night at the Fights?
03:55:24.600So this was Tuesday of the same week of Thursday Night at the Fights.