Asatru Folk Assembly - 5⧸15⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 97 - Skírnismál

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00:03:00.000 Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of VNS.

00:03:25.700 I am Witten Svon Harrell, and I will be taking lead on this for a little bit as we go into

00:03:35.740 the episode.

00:03:37.540 Alciar Gauthier is coming in a little bit later, so giving him that chance and that

00:03:43.680 time to get set up, we're going to go ahead and proceed, and we'll move forward.

00:03:52.000 We've got quite a few things to talk about, and I'm really happy to see everybody's on here, but just remember, we are currently streaming on YouTube, of course, but there's also Twitter, Entropy, VK, Rumble, and Twitch, all of those streaming services you can find us.

00:04:16.220 And don't forget, too, on Fridays, this is released as an audio on Spotify that you can also, if you have, you know, any Spotify account and you want to catch up with this and listen to it while you're, you know, riding around.

00:04:34.820 Lots of news.

00:04:37.440 VNS merch in the store is alive and kicking.

00:04:41.360 There's still a few, um, Al's here ago, the, uh, disapproval t-shirts out there, um, that

00:04:51.940 are, uh, that are definitely a hot seller.

00:04:54.760 And, uh, also too, we got some new merch.

00:04:57.100 We, we, uh, we got a, um, oh, the Thorshoff shirts, of course, are ones that are amazing.

00:05:06.400 I love the, uh, the artwork and the color scheme.

00:05:08.840 i know we get kind of labeled as the spooky hoff because the orange and black um but uh

00:05:16.020 definitely dig that and then there's not there's also another good one that i wanted to bring up

00:05:20.840 what would jason gallagher do if anybody that doesn't know uh jason gallagher is a is a highly

00:05:29.980 devoted highly motivated uh individual i've got to meet him on a few occasions he's up in

00:05:35.860 Baldershoff. And he, despite a lot of hardships that he has with especially just health issues

00:05:45.020 and things like that, he has never flagged. He's always, you know, he shows up, he gives

00:05:50.940 110% all the time. And he's just, he's becoming, he's becoming his own force. And now he has a

00:05:59.940 t-shirt. So I thought that was really, really great. Um, great guy. Again, if you're in the

00:06:05.900 AFA and you get a chance to meet him, um, it would, you know, it's, it's good. He's a, he's

00:06:12.020 a good man. And, uh, I don't think that anybody, uh, in the AFA, especially even, even in leadership

00:06:18.100 would ever speak ill of him. Um, and that is a, that is a, a wonderful place to be in, to build

00:06:25.200 bright, bright fame and, uh, to be, uh, liked by all and, um, and, and admired for your convictions

00:06:33.220 and your, your piety and your, uh, your motivation is just, it's good. It's very, very good. Um,

00:06:40.460 let's see. We also have, um, oh, that, that was the two weeks left on the Alice Heria Gothic, um,

00:06:48.920 t-shirts. There's also Academy merch. For those of you that are in

00:06:56.720 the Ausatru Academy, those who support the Ausatru Folk Assembly being able to

00:07:04.800 teach their children and to have their own system led by Goethe Stamm, a very, very

00:07:15.760 important part of where we are moving forward as a church, where we intend to bring Ausitru.

00:07:23.580 Ausitru should not be some just kind of backyard picnic hobby. This is where we're looking at

00:07:33.580 where Ausitru can go. There's no stopping. Who knows? There could be an Ausitru college in the

00:07:38.860 future. I'm not saying anything for sure, but that's where we're always looking forward. We're

00:07:43.360 always looking upward and the Assature Academy kind of epitomizes that. So if you're into that,

00:07:49.220 if you're, if you want to support that, definitely, you know, make sure you get some

00:07:52.620 Assature Academy merch. Lots of donations have been coming in, 800 more dollars paid on Njortsov.

00:08:02.680 So we want to give thanks to the folks that have been giving generously as we are slowly but

00:08:09.500 steadily building up to pay off North's Hoff. Because once we do that, our sites are focused

00:08:18.340 on the holy fray, his Hoff, and the prospects of getting folks to have a roof over their heads

00:08:28.360 where they can come and honor the holy fray, along with building in the long retinue of the

00:08:34.860 temples that we intend to build. It'll be that next step. I know a lot of people, uh, had, had

00:08:40.500 some, not concerns, but just was wondering about how things were going when Sigurheim was purchased,

00:08:47.020 but the idea was, no, Sigurheim was, was set off so that we could build towards it. It was the,

00:08:53.440 the finish line in a way for, um, for us to move forward on Yurtshof and on Freysof and have a

00:09:01.820 spot where we could kind of, again, attain a, a, a victory plateau for a moment. So that way we

00:09:08.460 could really concentrate on some of that and then start moving on to the other holy house, um, in

00:09:13.900 which we will make 12 total temples. Um, yeah, there's the, the statues, um, uh, founder, Stephen

00:09:20.900 McNallan and, uh, give you McNallan. And, um, I had the, um, pleasure of, of, uh, setting those up.

00:09:30.020 It was, um, it was a, uh, a trial. It was definitely, um, it wasn't terrible, but there

00:09:37.660 was some, um, obstacles that I had had to cover and I would not have been able to cover it unless

00:09:44.180 it was for, for Nick and, uh, another member of ours. Um, and so I want to definitely give thanks

00:09:51.500 to them publicly. Um, they, they greatly helped me out when I was, uh, when I thought I was going

00:09:56.880 to be by myself on this. And it would not have been done without Nick Rice and them. So hail

00:10:02.540 to them. Also, we've got Freyfaxi at Baldershof coming up. This is just, we're laying this out

00:10:12.820 there now. Remember, we look at the year in a bi-cycle in which basically there is a two-cycle

00:10:21.880 system there is the summer cycle and there is the winter cycle and right now we are heading towards

00:10:28.120 the middle of the summer cycle that starts of course with austera so um you know the final

00:10:35.320 holy tide of the summer year or the summer cycle excuse me is frayfaxi and that's a really

00:10:41.960 important one um i think it's also really important up in the north up in baldershof

00:10:47.960 um because they do get such heavy winters so you could really get just that last chance to get up

00:10:55.340 with everyone and there's a there's a fervor to the um excitement and the celebration because

00:11:01.720 again knowing what's truly coming in the winter is it kind of has a chance it stifles a little bit

00:11:07.820 so there is a kind of excitement at Frey uh Freyfaxi at Baldursof um and I think that brings

00:11:15.000 us a little bit closer to what our ancestors were really experiencing i think down here in the south

00:11:21.400 um you know our winters don't truly start until about november and so we have uh sometimes cold

00:11:28.600 sometimes hot uh holidays starting with winter finding and and with winter nights so um

00:11:37.800 even though that's far out we're giving you a good ahead heads up on that um in order for you

00:11:44.200 guys to if you want to make travel plans or get things going please reach out to a folk builder

00:11:49.640 and they should be able to help you clarify some things like hotels nearby and or or people that

00:11:55.880 might be willing to uh take folks in so definitely get out to that of course after that where we have

00:12:03.080 um uh winter nights and uh 11th and 13th in new hampshire winter nights is a special one i will

00:12:14.920 i will definitely be there um my family will be there uh it's uh it's actually the first holy

00:12:21.720 tide that i experienced coming in to the aussie true folk assembly um and i was kind of reluctant

00:12:28.280 i didn't really know what was going on and i was greeted um openly and happily at four o'clock in

00:12:36.360 the morning with my children in tow and was guided to food and warm coffee and a cabin um immediately

00:12:44.040 and i that was the turning tide for me that was the point where i realized i was i was amongst

00:12:49.560 adults and i was amongst uh folk that really did care um even in the middle of the night

00:12:55.000 And that was definitely, that was Clifford, well, Witten Clifford Erickson.

00:12:59.600 And so we've, you know, I always appreciate that and try to keep that in memory and sing his praises and the praises of the AFA from that.

00:13:10.600 Again, kind of going backwards, that's for the wintertime, if you're projecting out.

00:13:14.760 But don't forget, too, we have midsummer coming up, midsummer at Odinshof.

00:13:20.120 This is a longstanding tradition.

00:13:21.600 um if you're able to get out there to the west coast if you're on the west coast

00:13:26.100 definitely get out there for this this of course too is the whole holy tide in which we give honor

00:13:31.700 to the to the sun and the cycle of the of the midsummer but we also give honor to lord balder

00:13:37.960 as he is the the the receding light if you will and uh we project our piety to him um so that he

00:13:49.000 may gain it where he resides now and that that strength that might will carry him upwards um

00:13:56.720 in Ragnarok so definitely uh get your chance out there if you can um to get to Odin's Hall

00:14:04.680 it's beautiful and they have a beautiful harg and um the uh the temple is the vey is is great

00:14:13.020 I got a chance to go up there and do the mural of Lord Odin, which was nerve wracking, to say the very least.

00:14:22.540 And it was a wonderful experience.

00:14:25.580 And of course, too, getting a chance to meet Founder MacNallan and Gideon MacNallan is something that just can't be passed up.

00:14:34.080 So absolutely get a chance to go out there.

00:14:36.520 I would grow everything.

00:14:37.580 And I don't even know 100% like in this case where if I might be able to get out there or not.

00:14:43.020 we'll see crossing fingers though i would love to go back out there um and also coming in july 0.99

00:14:50.860 we have sigger bloat sigger bloat the victory bloat at siggerheim it's july 19th to the 21st 0.99

00:14:58.060 we're going to be doing it out there in the in ground zero um we've done this uh once before 0.98

00:15:04.220 it was a great success a lot of people had a lot of fun um it was a great time and i will most likely

00:15:11.260 attend um if everything works out but um wonderful wonderful time to be there uh a time

00:15:21.900 in the starting and sigur bloat is such a uh a wonderful um holy tide we give thanks to the

00:15:29.200 victory that we have attained and we project ourselves towards the victory of the future

00:15:33.380 with all of the ouse and in particular to lord tir um where his holy temple will be built there

00:15:40.740 So that's another thing is making that pilgrimage up the mountainside to where Holy Tier's site, his vey, his hof, will be is amazing.

00:15:56.040 And it's really, really worth it.

00:15:57.920 It's slightly challenging, too, so bear that in mind.

00:16:00.320 but it is worth it. It gives you a chance to kind of really contemplate the struggles that we as a

00:16:06.800 folk and we as a religion have faced and how we must be determined and continuance in moving

00:16:13.840 forward and upward. Great time out there. So there is that as well. So again, we've covered the merch

00:16:23.080 and we've covered anything. I don't know, Nick, is there anything else that I missed? I'm not really

00:16:29.280 great at the intros i know that else here go the is um donations donations yes yes are you talking

00:16:39.520 about donations during stream yeah look yeah donations during stream when we oh and we've got

00:16:48.400 wow so uh first and foremost um we got donations from gilbert to page 150

00:16:57.040 dollars to Njordeshoff. Amazing. And I don't know if you, did he, did he beat Ronald Blake?

00:17:04.820 Nobody ever seems to do that, but thank you, Gilbert. Great name, by the way. Goldbright

00:17:15.740 is what Gilbert means in Anglo-Saxon. Great, great, great name. And of course, too,

00:17:24.520 Ronald Blake, $25 to V&S and Jortzhoff. And he also bought us a coffee. So thank you so much.

00:17:34.460 Again, Ronald, every week you come on and you continue to give, which is astounding. And

00:17:42.360 I think it's definitely exemplary. Your generosity is deeply, deeply appreciated.

00:17:53.100 Gilbert, as well, thank you so much.

00:17:55.200 I hope that Njortzhoff, I mean, again, you just took that marker up just a little bit more.

00:18:00.880 And that's how we do this. 0.91

00:18:02.220 That's how we get these Hoffs under our belts and secured and made sure that everything is projected towards the future.

00:18:13.480 So I really appreciate it. 0.95

00:18:15.220 Um, so we're going to start moving into Skirnismal. Skirnismal is not one of the

00:18:29.100 encyclopedic, uh, encyclopedic, or yes, that's, I guess that's the correct word. Um, it's not a

00:18:37.040 kind of poetic encyclopedia for the poet to learn and grow on their vocabulary and their lore.

00:18:45.860 No, this one is a little bit more hidden and more subtle in its mysteries. Most folks believe that

00:18:59.080 this, and I included, that there is a deeper meaning to this story that extends even before

00:19:08.280 the late Nordic period. And ultimately, the chronological mythos of this story is

00:19:17.540 that after Ostara, after the opening of the gates in the east of Dellinger's Hall,

00:19:24.540 there is now the retinue of the elves moving in, being led by their lord, Lord Frey. And Lord Frey

00:19:32.520 then does meet his bride who influxes from the east, and her name is Gerðr. And this is the

00:19:40.420 starting of what we would call spring or early summer, the rising tide of summer. And it starts

00:19:48.480 here. It starts in this story. It starts with the deep and all-encompassing love that Frey feels,

00:20:00.560 or sometimes it's read as, again, as infatuation, but when we euhemorize the gods, there's two types

00:20:08.840 of euhemorizations. There's the euhemorization or humanizing of the gods, where we humanize them

00:20:15.040 and kind of discount them as being physical people, and then there's humanizing the gods in

00:20:22.300 order to relate, to project the truth of the story, and you have to be very, very careful.

00:20:27.760 That line is often very blurry, and so you will see writers like Saxo Grammaticus and even Snorri

00:20:34.960 Stuglusson doing this sometimes to, you know, divert the church's attention so that they're

00:20:41.920 not bringing, you know, the old ways back. I think that was a real threat. And the prevalence of

00:20:50.600 Ausatru in Iceland still, you know, pervaded up until the 70s with Sven Bjorn Bjartensson.

00:21:00.380 So they, he hemorrhaged, I think, for defense. Whereas like the writer Saxo Grammaticus, who was

00:21:08.740 a Dane. He didn't believe in the gods of our folk. He was fully in on the foreign faith.

00:21:17.000 He was fully in on the faith of Rome or the faith of Jerusalem or what have you. And so he had a

00:21:24.100 tendency to have a bitter tale end of the way that he described the ouse, the gods. And he

00:21:33.180 oftentimes wrote with kind of a backhandedness, but still, interestingly enough, giving little

00:21:42.280 clues about the Holy House and that predated him. So in this case, Skirnismel is named after

00:21:54.140 Skirner. Skirner, the translation being the shiny, bright beam, the ray, the light, and

00:22:05.260 the predecessor of the holy fray. Skirner is, interestingly enough, as a mystery of this,

00:22:17.920 One of the reasons why our church holds the ideal of ascension, ascension of the mortal soul, outside of simply just einherjar, that there is ascension of the human soul while here and also after death.

00:22:39.280 And we'll talk a little bit about that as to who exactly Skirner is. 0.73

00:22:48.640 but the biggest thing i i worry is that skierner oh how's her going

00:22:58.160 carry on oh yeah well i'll take the break to say uh brent law uh bought us coffee

00:23:05.200 thank you so much um i don't know if remember too if we're covering lore this is the general

00:23:10.960 rule we'll be covering lore in the first half of the um of the podcast and then trying to

00:23:17.120 get most questions at the end though i don't know uh also do we answer uh or answer questions right

00:23:23.920 away if they're if they're buying us a coffee or or um yeah so absolutely if there's a question

00:23:29.520 attached to a donation we'll go ahead and jump right on that also if you guys have questions

00:23:35.360 that are directly relating to um the text that we're covering or a concept we're covering

00:23:42.640 or maybe if it's just a good time to take an aside or a particularly i don't know something

00:23:50.120 we want to jump on so um please ask them whenever you want rest assured we will get to them some of

00:23:56.720 them we just may get to later in the program also we kind of broke the flow so i might as well take

00:24:01.460 this time to uh say i caught a little bit of swan's opening and i appreciate that i sorry for

00:24:11.400 being late today guys I got caught up in managing a couple of AFA things and ended up missing a

00:24:18.080 crucial traffic window and then the main artery across town apparently there was a terrible

00:24:24.020 accident on it and emergency vehicles whatnot so comedy of errors but I am here and I appreciate

00:24:32.400 you taking over I saw that he plugged a number of things I just want to make a note you guys

00:24:38.580 were awesome last week raising money for Newort's Hoff, getting that pay down. I know he put the

00:24:45.100 graphic up. Nick threw it up again. Thank you, Nick. There's still big numbers, but if you look

00:24:52.940 at that percentage, I mean, that Hoff costs as much as a house, and we have paid off 70-something

00:25:01.980 percent of that house in less than two years if you put it in those terms it's you know it's

00:25:08.140 it's bigger deal takes a little bit longer to pay off this half but this half is

00:25:15.660 uh two and a half times what fours half cost this half is five times what balder's half costs and it

00:25:26.860 is like not quite twice,

00:25:35.680 but at least one and a half times as expensive

00:25:38.100 as Odin's Hoff was initially.

00:25:40.420 So just putting it in perspective

00:25:42.620 and you guys are doing great.

00:25:44.340 In the last, literally in the last week,

00:25:48.620 we paid off 2,300 off of that total, which is awesome.

00:25:53.620 which is awesome. So thank you guys very much. Anybody interested, Nick's got the donate link

00:26:00.840 up. If you're listening to this at any time at runestone.org and click on donate and it gives

00:26:07.740 you options there. We appreciate it. Yeah. So I am here. I apologize for being late. I'm ready to

00:26:17.560 jump in. I assume you're giving them kind of a primer on stuff they need to know while we get

00:26:22.700 into this and also we are going through the bellows translation and that is the link to it

00:26:30.940 if you guys want to pull it up or feel free to find it on uh you know whatever translation you

00:26:37.100 have available to you and kind of compare and contrast and yeah with that let's get back into

00:26:45.660 to Spahn's masterful preparation for today's program.

00:26:50.660 Well, just kind of reemphasizing that the overall,

00:26:56.260 I guess what you should take away,

00:26:58.200 or what in my opinion you should take away

00:27:00.040 from this poem, this story is that this is an exchange

00:27:07.360 between the dominions of the gods.

00:27:11.020 A lot of times in ancient, or not, excuse me, not ancient,

00:27:14.680 In the early revivals of the Germanic faith, a lot of the scholars would try to project exactly how the faith of the gods was built.

00:27:26.500 And a lot of it, they would say, oh, it's just observation of natural element or natural occurrence.

00:27:33.700 And I forgot they had a name for it.

00:27:35.000 I think it's called like, it's not vegetative, but it's veget something in which they speak of the natural growing cycles or what have you.

00:27:45.160 But we look at this as this is a way, an explanation in which the gods have given us through the storytellers, the first storyteller, and through our folk, the mechanisms of their domain and the way in which they work.

00:28:01.700 And it's quite simple. I mean, it's not deeply esoteric to think of. But yes, this is, again, the Holy Frey. He sends his predecessor, his ray of light, his beam, to project into Jotunheim and convince Gerder, who is an Austvenir.

00:28:27.140 She aligns herself with the gods, and we have a nomenclature for that because a lot of groups and authors I have seen write down troll wives. 0.71

00:28:39.860 I've seen them write down giant wives or jotun wives, and I felt that that was a little bit too overhanded.

00:28:48.820 I think that that also feeds into the concept that the Jotunar are somehow a different race or species from the gods, and instead we see these beings, these ancient beings of the Jotun descent, much like Lord Odin, but they decide to align themselves with the Aus-driving force of the gods of order.

00:29:15.720 So when they do this, but sometimes in this case, it's not done easily. It's done with a sense of force, with a sense of conquest.

00:29:26.620 But bear in mind, too, that this is about the light, the warmth, the rays of the sun projecting forward, piercing the ground, piercing the cold ground, and planting the seed for fruitfulness as the rising of summer tiding.

00:29:45.220 So, again, this story really helps us link to a lot of the worship dynamics that we have for Charming of the Plow.

00:29:59.080 Again, that's another reason why Lord Frey is, I mean, excuse me, the Holy Frey is held in such high esteem during Charming the Plow.

00:30:07.760 And this cycle continues on until Freyfaxi, in which the cycle ends, and it is seen that Lord Frey kind of returns back to start preparing to kind of get beyond the gate where the Leo Salfar are until the next cycle.

00:30:25.260 So there's a lot of, I think, things that a lot of authors or perhaps other groups or, you know, internet folk don't really hit on that has absolutely developed within the Auschwitz Folk Assembly.

00:30:41.540 And that's where the story really, really sets off at.

00:30:44.960 Yeah, so kind of a note going into it.

00:30:48.160 There are the nature-based truths of what Witten Svahn just said.

00:31:02.780 Those things are all true.

00:31:04.060 Also, what is, I think, particularly important to make note of, this is a divine being interacting

00:31:23.400 with a other, it's hard when you try to put words to things that are metaphysical or beyond

00:31:32.680 our thoughts.

00:31:34.060 visual reality that we all interact with in midgard um because we kind of separate divinity with

00:31:43.420 other spiritual beings so this is very much a god interacting with another spiritual entity

00:31:50.560 and we do a disservice to be overly literal and overly obsessed with this particular story

00:32:03.700 mechanics. Keep in mind, even when Snorri talks about this, he talks about it in this exact same

00:32:13.220 story in slightly different terms. This exact same bit of lore and story was probably told very

00:32:22.820 differently a hundred years previous, five hundred years previous, a thousand years previous,

00:32:29.220 and probably looked a little different in different places the truths that it expresses

00:32:33.700 are the same but the imagery and the fine story details are intended for a certain audience and a

00:32:43.460 certain amount of cultural norms so realize that when you're reading the story see the bigger

00:32:53.220 truths that are expressed in the big themes but don't get too bogged down in literal specifics

00:33:02.260 as i've said before when i on this broadcast when i first got into ostrich i had somebody very

00:33:07.780 seriously try to contemplate like the macros that thor would have to consume to be

00:33:17.540 To have enough muscle mass to lift his hammer and to break and crush the rainbow so he can't travel on it, lest he break it because he's so heavy.

00:33:33.980 That sounds silly, but this person was talking to me.

00:33:38.020 No, because sometimes we can't see the forest for the trees when we get too wrapped up.

00:33:41.940 It's important to realize that our myths are amazingly poetic stories that illustrate divine truths in a cultural context that our ancestors could understood when these stories were recorded and that help them understand the gods and understand the bigger truths of our reality and of our faith.

00:34:06.240 we many of us largely are raised in societies to where the prevailing religion is a very very

00:34:15.060 literal one you are meant to take the bible or the torah or the um the quran to be extremely

00:34:25.640 to the letter literal and that literalism is an important part of that faith that's

00:34:31.200 And in the history of world religions, that is the anomaly and not the norm. So just keep that in mind a little bit. I know it's a little bit cringy when there's threats of force and curses involved in romantic endeavors, but there's more to it than that. And I just ask that everybody, you know, views it with that level of maturity.

00:34:53.480 Yeah, the overall dynamic of this is the masculine kind of focusing the feminine. 0.56

00:35:07.960 I think that when we look at the chthonic forces of the earth and we see the holy fray coming in, even though the story kind of portrays him as being a lovesick teenager, 0.85

00:35:19.880 I think that's part of that, again, that connection to the audience is what they're going for. But ultimately, this is that connection bringing the kind of the true attainment of masculinity is to be ordered or to be constructed and the feminine to be brought in so that it can fulfill and grow forward. 0.73

00:35:49.880 if some of the other deeper themes of this i want you guys to look out for and keep in mind as we

00:35:55.480 go through it and this is there's kind of two two stories from lore that we tend to go to when we

00:36:08.840 talk about um charming of the plow either uh geffian and and her giant sons um claiming zealand or

00:36:22.520 the the wooing of girth um

00:36:27.720 one of all of the imagery of that is the masculine exerting its will upon the unyielding feminine

00:36:37.080 and kind of forcing its way and literally inserting its will and planting the seed of

00:36:44.900 new growth and new life in a cold and unyielding environment way. And I think there's a lot of

00:36:54.900 truths and layers to that, but it's very much about the force of will overcoming

00:37:00.480 coldness and resistance and ultimately yielding you know abundance and fruit and positivity

00:37:09.200 and i think that's a that's a really important theme to think about through this and uh

00:37:19.280 yeah and we've seen you know we've seen similar themes in in literature and all the way up till

00:37:26.440 it became you know socially taboo to talk about it quite in those terms but in some ways a less

00:37:34.860 comical version of the taming of the shrew or anything else the idea of persistent

00:37:40.520 exertion of masculine will in order to steer things straight that may not want to be steered

00:37:49.480 that way initially but ultimately it brings order and it brings bounty and benefit so those are some

00:37:56.420 themes just to look out for and if you guys are there and you're ready to get a start

00:38:02.500 spawn we are ready whenever you would like to take us into the text okay so again and

00:38:09.940 the interesting thing about this is it does start with a slight

00:38:13.860 paragraphic intro uh just to set the stage and to um place

00:38:22.660 uh the the situation so before uh stanza one we have frere the son of nyorder had sat

00:38:35.940 one day on hlidskjalf and looked over all the worlds he looked into jotunheim and saw there

00:38:46.820 a fair maiden as she went from her father's house to her bower forthwith he felt a mighty love

00:38:55.060 sickness. Skirner was the name of Freyr's servant. Njörð bade him ask speech of Freyr, and he said.

00:39:09.300 So this is right out the gate. Just to clarify, this is

00:39:13.220 um lord my order speaking to skirner in desperation to ask him what is wrong with his son

00:39:27.380 and you can clearly see this uh immediate approach towards the relationship and and again

00:39:34.580 the connection that perhaps the audience especially the fathers and sons could immediately connect to

00:39:43.220 So, Lord Njordr says,

00:39:49.000 Go now, Skirner, and seek to gain speech from my son, and answer to win, for whom the wise one is mightily moved.

00:40:00.140 Again, he's referring to the holy fray as the wise one.

00:40:04.580 And this just alludes a little bit to the dominion and the overall worthfulness of the holy fray to the folk.

00:40:18.340 It would not be seen as anything absurd, and it's just noted in the poem.

00:40:24.380 Um, um, so he's beckoning Skirner to go into the Holy Fray's, uh, living quarters and ask him

00:40:36.040 what's wrong. And they don't quite allude to it too much, but, uh, they do give a slight

00:40:44.120 leaning towards it. But in essence, with the Holy Fray being, uh, depressed, being locked up,

00:40:54.380 it is also doing is having a an effect um on on the middle world is having effect on the growth

00:41:02.220 the fruit the fruition if you will and so um it holds quite a bit of parallel with perhaps say

00:41:11.180 like the stories of of demeter and um hadis in in relation to what again uh scholars of old would

00:41:18.780 call these kind of vegetation um uh tales so so skirner spake two ill words do i know

00:41:35.180 await for from thy son if i seek to get speech with him an answer to win for whom the wise one

00:41:42.700 is mightily moved so again he he's he's he knows of his disposition

00:41:48.780 He knows that by bothering him, he's only going to get strafed by it, if you will.

00:41:56.620 But the overall poem then turns towards, or lapses time in which Skirner now is speaking to the holy fray.

00:42:11.960 So in stanza three, you'll see, again, Skirner speaks.

00:42:17.320 and spawn have you translated what the skirner's name means yes the uh the he is the the beam of

00:42:28.040 light or the the um skein of light if you will i know uh skein is not a word often used um anymore

00:42:35.640 in our language but the the beam of light the shining kind of i guess projection or ray if you

00:42:43.380 will of light that is from the holy fray. And we see this again in much of the language spoken of

00:43:00.100 about the holy fray. He is that kind of, I mean, it was understood that the primordial forces that

00:43:11.580 were once part of the creation of the worlds when we talk about um the muspel spark that is the sun

00:43:19.220 when we talk about the niflheim piece that is the moon these primordial forces were seen as outside

00:43:27.420 of delinger's hall they were seen as something that if too close they would burn or they could

00:43:34.620 uh freeze or damage the the creation uh of the gods that may they made from emir's body

00:43:43.260 so there was this separational level if you will in the stories in which our ancestors saw that

00:43:49.500 and then there was this channeling of power whether it was the warmth whether it was the light

00:43:54.380 and it didn't always just one for one it wasn't the the light from the must spell spark of suna

00:44:01.820 and the sun just equated to light on earth but that it had to process itself through thresholds

00:44:10.060 and those thresholds uh helped keep the safety of the middle world and one of them of course is

00:44:16.380 delinger's hall and that the idea that this whole process about lord frey moving through or

00:44:25.260 projecting his light into the world and his ability to bring fruitfulness has to go through

00:44:32.860 a process has to go through a threshold has to have an arduous sense in order to you know attain

00:44:39.660 the victory of it i don't know if you have a different translation on on oh no i you you did

00:44:50.620 a great job covering it before i got here i just wanted to make sure because you know something you

00:44:56.300 and i talk about a lot but i think that um and anybody that hasn't heard me rant on it before

00:45:03.100 i think one of the most significant keys in really getting

00:45:11.740 the whole depth of our lore is examining the linguistics of the names

00:45:17.420 because again like uh lord frayer and i do that i realize it's redundant i just said lord lord

00:45:29.060 but it is what it is if prince were actually made the prince of something i would still

00:45:35.160 call him prince prince or whatever that symbol is um that being said

00:45:41.420 again he never came up to somebody to our knowledge and said hi my name is Freyr

00:45:51.660 or never mind I was going to try to impress you guys and throw the old Norse hi my name

00:46:01.340 is Freyr at you but I'm not quite there yet I'm getting really close though

00:46:04.540 um but yeah that so assuming that that didn't happen in that way these are the names that our

00:46:13.540 ancestors felt best applied to these spiritual entities that they interacted with and that

00:46:22.320 speaks volumes about how they were perceived to our forefathers and what they meant to them

00:46:30.600 Another thing that is important already, and I know we're doing a lot more talking than reading, but I think this is worth saying.

00:46:42.760 The wise one, meaning Frey.

00:46:46.400 Well, I thought Odin was the god of wisdom.

00:46:52.480 It's a good illustration that all of our gods are strong.

00:46:57.540 All of our gods are wise.

00:46:59.720 All of our gods are regal.

00:47:02.140 All of our gods have abundance to them.

00:47:07.480 They're gods.

00:47:08.660 They are better at all the things than we are.

00:47:12.120 Some of them are particularly good at certain things or have a particular responsibility for certain things or, as Fawn likes to say, dominion over certain things.

00:47:23.940 But it doesn't mean that the other gods are one-dimensional to whatever, you know, their, that particular dominion is.

00:47:35.820 And so we need to guard ourselves against pigeonholing them in just, you know, these very one-dimensional ways of being.

00:47:43.600 yeah yeah avoiding the uh cramming all into simply you know oh then and that be it's like

00:47:54.180 well and last thing on this and then i will i'll leave it be but

00:47:58.900 well i say that i'll leave it be for right now um

00:48:02.640 again it it depends on who does this for so so much of the scholastic

00:48:12.920 rediscovery translation and evaluation of this material is done by christians or by scholars

00:48:24.100 very little of it in an academic sense is done by practitioners about surgery so they're looking at

00:48:32.980 this in a literary or an anthropological sense. And it's very easy to see our gods as very one

00:48:44.360 dimensional in a literary motif. When you stop and like, no, these aren't story devices. These

00:48:52.860 are divine beings with will, with personality, with thought, with feeling. It requires us to

00:49:01.120 look at them in a much deeper three-dimensional three-dimensional way and so i challenge all of

00:49:08.320 you and you know all of us to do that yeah uh that's another point to bring up here uh is

00:49:19.840 is a we haven't covered it yet but we will um and it it does bring up to point that not only do we

00:49:28.080 believe that the gods are real that we believe that they have that the will and the manifestation

00:49:32.340 to do things in the world um and that you know if if the much like with people if a person picks

00:49:41.560 up a pencil and does art with it it doesn't mean that they're now the person of that type of art

00:49:48.520 or that type of pencil is that there's a lot of the primordial forces that are our holy gods and

00:49:54.300 some of the ancient beings of the Jotuns have their ability to influx into the world.

00:50:01.400 That says Svan is the champion of murals. 0.56

00:50:07.220 Thus far.

00:50:09.200 People can challenge him for that title, but it's yours for the time being.

00:50:14.840 Right.

00:50:15.340 But please do.

00:50:16.260 I mean, it's good.

00:50:16.960 It's good.

00:50:17.420 We need to, it's for the gods.

00:50:19.080 So better is better.

00:50:20.620 Um, so here we see, uh, in, uh, verse three or in the, in the stanza three Skinner speaks,

00:50:31.100 he says, um, speak pretty, of course, you know, please, he's pleading, uh, pretty Fred

00:50:39.860 foremost of the gods.

00:50:42.020 Now this is the part that I wanted to bring, or actually we'll go, we'll, we'll go back

00:50:45.260 and talk about that in a second so foremost of the gods for now i feign would know

00:50:52.160 why sittest thou here in the wide halls days long my prince alone so a couple things uh the

00:51:02.160 translations and the way that we perceive the gods sometimes can be different than the actual words

00:51:07.140 again the word that's used when he says speak pretty afraid foremost of the gods he says

00:51:14.440 And folkvaldi means like chieftain or captain or high station of the folk or of the people or of the, would be like the army.

00:51:39.400 And so there's again, there's a mentioning here of the holy fray as being of high station in, say, a military body.

00:51:49.300 And it's not just foremost. It's not the word is not foremost.

00:51:54.660 It is, again, captain of the gods, if you will.

00:51:58.340 um and then he says again to my mine my droten so in the latter uh part he says mean throat and

00:52:09.820 my leader my chieftain my my captain my my war leader and uh a lot of times i think that

00:52:16.580 um the holy fray is seen as some sort of kind of pacifistic um you know

00:52:22.580 and i don't know who does this but i have seen examples of it you know throughout the internet

00:52:31.620 where they kind of they give almost like the balder treatment that snowdy does kind of making

00:52:37.640 lord balder like a christ-like figure and then they end up doing it again but this time in their

00:52:44.340 own terms with the holy fray and uh that is not the case he is the war fighting lord he has a

00:52:52.000 sword that fights or itself he rides a horse that has bloody hooves because it tramples in the

00:52:59.480 battlefield um and so this uh this sudden drop in him is seen it's like you're in in a way

00:53:08.880 skierner is saying like you're you're you know you're a high ranking you're the captain you're

00:53:13.400 my you're my uh my my lieutenant you're my leader you're my war leader and why are you all of a

00:53:20.460 sudden this and um the holy fray speaks he says how shall i tell thee thou hero young of all my

00:53:35.160 grief so great thou every day the elf beam dawns it lights my longing never now this poetically is

00:53:44.700 really, really good. The first part of this is to remember what he has done. He has climbed into

00:53:59.720 the throne, the observatory throne of Lord Odin, and he has seen much, but what he saw

00:54:08.640 was something that struck his heart.

00:54:12.320 And so here he speaks of a kenning of the sun

00:54:17.080 as the alvrothr, the elf beam.

00:54:24.020 And even though it rises,

00:54:25.420 it does not bring warmth to his heart.

00:54:29.260 And this is another thing, again, reemphasizing

00:54:31.420 the way that our ancestors saw the gods

00:54:34.780 as being in this mountainous upper world.

00:54:38.640 um that they were in the center and in the mountainous upper and that the sun and the moon

00:54:46.140 were experienced by them as well re-emphasizes that now we do think of a little differently now

00:54:54.320 but that the idea is that there was this central place this mountainous place and up in these

00:54:59.860 heavenly mountains there was the tree and the tree its boughs stretched over um even

00:55:09.220 ausgarther which was built there as well so he that's why he's saying like even the sun rises

00:55:15.940 and it doesn't warm my heart it doesn't uh you know bring light to my to my depression um

00:55:25.460 And in five, Skirner speaks, thy longings, methinks, are not so large, that thou mayest not tell them to me, since in days of yore we were young together, we too might each other trust.

00:55:44.340 so this is starting to build on the character of skirner that he was around even when

00:55:53.660 the holy fray was young and there's a couple of of mentionings to the holy fray being young as

00:56:00.000 when he first cuts his tooth or loses his tooth he gains all of leo salfheim um as a gift to him

00:56:07.020 after the war um and again he is seen as not part and he's not mentioned as partaking in the

00:56:13.480 war between the gods but that he does come with his father when there is this mutualism that when

00:56:18.960 they they first tried the hostage program and i think that there's a lost story there in which

00:56:24.480 after the hostile situation it becomes a kind of a transference where the the the waning gods the

00:56:31.120 vanir do live amongst the outs some of them do some of them don't depending on their dominions

00:56:37.160 um and how much they they play into the middle world um but we see this as a little leaning

00:56:45.220 towards chronological sense with skirner and um and the holy fray he says we've known each other

00:56:52.220 for a long time since we were children you should be able to trust me and again this starts off with

00:56:59.080 that strong friendship love that, you know, men who have grown up, you know, with a very, very

00:57:07.440 close friend. And again, it alludes to Skirner is not an Ause. And he is, he is not an Alvar.

00:57:15.920 And that's, we'll go into more of that later. Who is Skirner? And, you know, of my belief is that

00:57:23.940 skirner is an exalted soul um so so i want to say something just because it's a good uh

00:57:34.820 spot before we go into the next page the way we've got it laid out on the website that we use

00:57:41.060 um i've got a couple of questions and i think now is an okay time to hit them because it

00:57:47.140 sets tone for some stuff um first is the wolf age our version of the kali yuga

00:57:53.940 yes uh spawn and i can go into it or talk them but yes it doesn't require more than yes um

00:58:04.580 the yugas are ancient arian concepts just like the ages that you are referring to

00:58:12.660 it literally is a one for one that one is easy um on to the most recent question that i this

00:58:21.460 is where i think the most relevance is i have a question would you guys say now more than say in

00:58:27.860 the recent past uh the jotens are more present as i've noticed the people have gotten much worse

00:58:34.660 in many ways and i can feel and see the evil yes but i wouldn't put it that way so chaos is

00:58:45.780 more in ascendancy now we are in the wolf age um but the point i want to make with the question

00:58:54.580 is the idea of the yotnar one thing it's fun and i've talked about this a lot but we have a whole

00:59:00.020 lot of new listeners on a bunch of different platforms that may not have heard this so

00:59:07.620 so as i've said a lot vocabulary for metaphysical things is often lacking alphar means lots

00:59:22.620 of things it means elves it means souls generally it means the exalted male ancestors it means

00:59:34.460 lots of stuff in the same way jotnar are everything from the primal giant ymir to the the frost giants

00:59:48.540 to the fire giant giants in musfulheimer um and also big mean evil things in the east 0.64

01:00:01.420 so there's yotnar that are evil and the forces of you know intentional chaos and malevolence 1.00

01:00:09.820 and there's yotnar that as we've seen are a beloved of the isir and that they take for wives and that 0.81

01:00:17.900 are old primal spiritual forces of natural things of primal forces of like

01:00:33.580 ancient wisdom and ancient magic so yotnar encompasses a bunch of evil chaotic entities

01:00:41.260 but also just old

01:00:48.620 i say subconscious and that has a meaning i mean less than conscious i mean like primal conscious

01:00:54.700 more than i mean what we would think of as subconscious per se um but they're this anyways

01:01:02.860 there's ones that are mean nasty giants that thor goes to bust up in the east and then there's also

01:01:10.860 yoknar that are just primal forces that are neutral or that can be benevolent and in alignment

01:01:19.260 with the gods depending so the term i i dispute but the concept chaos on the rise we see it all

01:01:25.740 around us i don't think it is always from primal natural forces i think very often it is from

01:01:33.180 um chaotic forces of entropy and destruction um some of those are malevolent some of those are

01:01:48.780 I guess lazy is the best word but I don't necessarily mean that but forces that

01:01:55.740 pull us towards entropy and pull us down when we're trying to and i don't think this is wholly

01:02:03.980 inaccurate but to liken it to science and i am not a scientist nor a physicist in any way

01:02:12.780 which is the concept of of lift and drag and gravity and stuff there are forces that want to

01:02:20.620 to pull down when we are trying to elevate and do better things those forces that try to hold back

01:02:30.780 or more importantly the forces that try to

01:02:34.420 pull into destruction and destroy um something important though yotnar applies to lots of

01:02:46.640 different things that are outside of the Aesir, Enten's a little bit less so. And the idea of

01:02:55.920 consumption is a big theme linguistically in those forces of consuming and destroying by consumption.

01:03:07.780 So I would keep that in mind. But yes, absolutely. We are in the wolf age and chaos is out there

01:03:14.720 running wild and doing crazy nonsense and that

01:03:25.360 that positions us in a really special time where

01:03:33.120 rightly aligned folks and people who are trying to do something beautiful have an opportunity to

01:03:40.240 be truly heroic when we are in the golden age and everybody's doing the right thing

01:03:49.440 then doing the right thing you're just like everybody else which is awesome that's great

01:03:53.520 for existence to be in that place but an advantage of being in a degenerate age where so much is not

01:04:02.720 how we want it those of us that do stand up for the iser and for order and for beauty

01:04:11.120 and for nobility we get a chance to really shine and each of us are much more special

01:04:18.880 than we would be if the whole world was right as it should be we get the opportunity to make much

01:04:25.120 more of an impact as an individual as we would in a different situation and that's a unique blessing

01:04:31.200 that we have even though there's a lot of things around us we don't like so i would keep that in

01:04:37.440 mind and uh i'm sure swan you might have thoughts on this yeah actually those two questions really

01:04:43.280 link really well i think that we need to move away from and i spoke of this before that that

01:04:49.360 the jotens are like a a different race from the the icier that's like saying that the french and

01:04:58.080 the english are a different uh race or or or you know the the germans and and the dutch are a

01:05:05.040 different race they are very different in their in in their overall uh you know the cultural stuff

01:05:11.280 and and a lot of those things and from a mythic standpoint where what's that i said the dutch got 0.77

01:05:19.840 chocolatey peat yes and i'm sure the germans are like no no those those are swamp germans those

01:05:26.320 are different um they uh you know i we need to get away from that because of course it is clearly 0.99

01:05:34.480 known that bor is the first house best law is a jotin from the hrim thurser of the primordial

01:05:44.480 so jotin first and foremost should always kind of be seen as as as hergo they said ancient

01:05:49.760 but it does have linguistic connection to like an icelandic word jarvi jarvi means to

01:05:57.760 to consume and it survived in our language with the word scarf and sometimes you know you think

01:06:04.360 of the clothing item but other people also say he scarfed down that food is because it still

01:06:09.860 holds into connection of the idea that there is a a consumption in the in the mouth of like it's

01:06:15.500 just constant. So the biggest culprit of what, and I, I, I think that a lot of people, when they

01:06:24.040 look at Ausatru and they go, oh, well, you guys are amoral, or you guys don't have any

01:06:28.500 sense of, you know, uh, punishment for wrongdoings or what have you, or you don't necessarily have

01:06:33.940 a source. You, a lot of people will, are you, oh no, Loki's not like a, uh, a devil or what have

01:06:39.800 you, but there is a clear source of where you're seeing a lot of this coming from. It is Fenris

01:06:46.640 Over. Fenris Over, of the three children, is brought into the domiciles of the gods.

01:06:55.380 And what happens in the halls of the gods happens in the hearts of men. Seen as the least, you know,

01:07:02.580 uh threatening um really because of size but is brought into the halls of the gods 0.54

01:07:11.220 and raised up and this is this is arian mythos 101 of the binding of a chaotic beast

01:07:17.940 but there's some interesting things to note the influx every place that is in the middle world

01:07:26.260 excuse me influx in and also out so Fenris is moved from the heavenly realms the upper world

01:07:37.580 the place that the origin of time and all things that are ordered he is moved after he is bound

01:07:44.300 to the eastern and he is kept in the black lake and it says the sword that holds his mouth open

01:07:51.900 he is slobbering his poisonous spit into the lake and it seeps. And remember, just like

01:07:58.760 Vonaheim, Vonaheim and Jotunheim, they influx into the middle world just as much as they take 0.99

01:08:05.840 out. I would say, you know, obviously Jotunheim takes more out than it gives and what it does 0.99

01:08:11.260 give the gift is, is not good. So oftentimes the chaos that you see, especially in the hearts of

01:08:18.260 men, especially in the hearts of the folk, in the minds of the folk, that that sickness, that

01:08:24.240 that point of diminishing the power of the souls of the folk hurts the ous, the icier

01:08:32.360 directly. And that poisoning, that poisoning of his slobber, that venomous spit is what is, 0.94

01:08:41.080 i think seeping into the hearts and the minds of in this day and age so oftentimes i will always

01:08:48.360 say you know this is the wolf age and with good reason because it is the wolf the varger the the

01:08:54.840 the great terrible you know demon wolf that is poisoning um folks minds away from what is good

01:09:04.440 what is true and so that's a culprit that i don't ever see anyone talk about and i've always held

01:09:11.800 this belief that the they're the wolf age is directly connected to of course the poisoning of

01:09:19.560 fenris ulfers slobbering jaws the chaos the the dissipation the venom is all sourced from him as

01:09:27.160 it flows from jotunheim into the middle world so we uh

01:09:35.160 those those of you that tuned in for a whole lot of skeerness model

01:09:41.400 five verses in some of that's due to my tardiness today um but a lot of it

01:09:51.000 you guys can read these stories on your own if you want

01:09:53.160 what the point of this is is to apply them to our greater mythos and apply them to our religion

01:10:04.940 and in order to do that we spend you know spawn and i sometimes it's funny sometimes we'll go

01:10:12.700 and we'll knock one out real quick sometimes we'll tediously go over one for a long time

01:10:18.860 because things pop up that are important to cover um but about this and understanding

01:10:25.500 the forces in opposition to what we do

01:10:31.660 there are i guess two flavors of bad guys that are both aligned against us

01:10:40.620 and it's important to recognize them both a lot of edgelords want to suggest that

01:10:50.160 also true doesn't have polarity between good and evil that's not true but also true is more

01:10:57.300 complicated than just that so there's black and white in also true there's also a tremendous

01:11:05.460 a tremendous amount of gray area and in that dark gray area is forces of entropy and laziness

01:11:18.180 um we have chaos that seeks to actively destroy and burn and break things

01:11:28.740 in one sense that's easy to recognize and easy is the wrong word but it's straightforward to come

01:11:38.760 to combat there is also aligned with the forces of chaos those forces of subtle decay and entropy

01:11:51.120 the forces of laziness of primal not elevating the soul more than the primal and the most

01:12:03.100 primal elements are those primal yotnar that have not been awakened um if you read Steve

01:12:10.580 McNall and our founder's writings he talks a lot about awakening one of the I guess differences

01:12:19.360 between the Aesir and those primal Yotnar that are the progenitors of the Aesir

01:12:26.140 is these very powerful primal forces that still slumber and they exist in a sort of slumbering 0.98

01:12:33.940 state. They're not fully conscious. They're not fully awakened. The Aesir are awakened.

01:12:41.920 They're aware of their divinity and that sets them apart. That force of consciousness and will 1.00

01:12:48.460 sets them apart and is imbued in what we are as the arian or the the noble people um

01:13:00.700 we see that all the time it is one thing we have an evil foe to go out and fight

01:13:07.340 that attacks us in one way but that force of

01:13:12.860 of keeping us from you know keeping us focused on the primal keeping us focused on our bellies

01:13:22.860 and our loins and that's what we're focused on nothing higher nothing better keeping us

01:13:28.620 in an animal state those forces of entropy serve chaos

01:13:33.580 one of the meta themes of our entire mythos and our entire faith is rising above that

01:13:42.760 not negating it those things are important hunger and lust and all of those things are great if

01:13:51.140 they are under the control of a higher consciousness if they are under the mastery

01:13:57.180 of something awakened and something that's upward aimed but those are the forces of degeneracy that

01:14:05.400 in a in a it develops the moral trappings but set aside for a moment degeneracy those are forces 0.99

01:14:15.240 that decay us and bring us down from a higher level that we've brought ourselves to as Aryan 0.96

01:14:23.200 people things that bring us down stop our progress that's the chaos that is harder to defend against 1.00

01:14:33.440 because it is much more subtle we see that with all the movement in our lore we see that in the

01:14:40.080 march of the cycles that lead towards ragnarok we see that in the sun and the moon staying

01:14:50.000 you know just outside of the the gaping jaws of the wolves we see that throughout

01:14:57.680 and that's one thing that we see rampant amongst our folk and it's talked about that being a

01:15:03.440 hallmark of the wolf age is our tendency to turn on one another and to uh attack each other over

01:15:12.640 petty lower concerns rather than elevate bring each other up over that higher goal that we're

01:15:20.640 reaching towards and that's why it's important that we're always thinking about what we're doing

01:15:25.280 and why we're doing it and keeping victory in sight keeping our eyes on the prize

01:15:30.480 that vigilance is what this is this big theme that i talk about why this program is called

01:15:36.480 victory never sleeps we have to constantly stay vigilant against those forces of decay

01:15:44.000 and to push towards what we're trying to achieve to stay awake and to stay alert

01:15:51.120 and this is a lot of talking before we get to uh verse number six so let's carry on with that if

01:15:59.440 you will well i think it's great because again this is a shorter poem for sure and um it opens

01:16:08.160 up a lot i did want to uh throw a challenge out to the audience um if anyone could name the river

01:16:15.760 that flows out of fenris's mouth um and it's an interesting one and i would love to expound on

01:16:22.800 that is because i think it's gonna draw a lot of questions so um all right so moving on um

01:16:36.000 let's see all right so moving into verse stands or stanza number six um

01:16:42.080 um Frey speaks from Gimir's house I beheld go forth a maiden dear to me her arms glittered

01:16:55.520 and from their gleam shown all the sea and the sky so now we get

01:17:05.120 uh kind of the the connection between our audience is that the features that draw him

01:17:15.200 to her the fact that she has these um arms that glittered or they they shine of light

01:17:23.600 um there is a gleam and we've mentioned that before in some uh previous episodes in which 0.91

01:17:28.700 again the beauty standard there was you know if you had swarthy you know shoulders and arms you

01:17:33.500 were uh someone who had you know lived or worked in the fields and so a beauty standard of the age

01:17:41.380 was definitely the the the fair skin unmarred and just you know holding or shining of the light and

01:17:52.400 the other point of this is Gimir's house. So Gimir's house is speaking of Gerdr's father.

01:18:06.800 She lives in her father's home, Gimir. Gimir is, it's a bit confusing because we don't quite

01:18:13.640 know etymologically what it holds to and there's more confusion because the the jotun who is semi

01:18:24.120 aligned with the ouse who sits at the primordial center at the place in which um connected in

01:18:30.600 midgard through the waters through the ocean um at the cauldron is a year and so there is reference

01:18:40.200 to gimir being ayer um beyond that there isn't much to stand on and it may have been more of a

01:18:49.800 linguistic thing in which um snorty was uh utilizing these heights and names that that

01:18:56.440 uh repeat themselves um but gamer doesn't have just by itself just doesn't have a solid etymological

01:19:05.800 source and i mean i i don't i haven't found anything you know further on that as well um

01:19:15.720 but it is also mentioned too and we'll go into gerder's mother as well though she's not mentioned

01:19:23.320 um in this poem she's mentioned elsewhere um but she is living with her her mother and father

01:19:33.480 which would lend to the idea that the holy fray and uh they are young it's just kind of

01:19:44.280 implying it in essence um as opposed to being older and owning their own home so this this is

01:19:50.920 a the the the love struck holy fray uh being as a as a young man or as obviously a young house but

01:20:01.400 but projected or humor, you're hemorrized as a, as a young man, uh, in stanza seven,

01:20:10.840 to me more dear than in days of old was ever made into man, but no one of the gods or elves

01:20:21.000 will grant that we both should be together. So he clearly says, uh,

01:20:32.280 in the days of old there's never been more a deeper calling between the feminine by the hunger

01:20:40.520 or the the desire of the masculine the maiden is to man and this again i think really does emphasize

01:20:48.360 an arian um mythos trope that always shows up and is very very important and that is

01:20:57.800 the the the masculine energy attaining some wisdom knowledge gifting from the the feminine uh this

01:21:07.480 happens within other stories like when we spoke about uh lord odin gaining the the mead of poetry

01:21:15.560 from gun loath the battle the battle song and we also see it elsewhere in other uh branches of

01:21:24.280 arianism in which you will see the um the stories of the young warrior attaining a blade the young

01:21:31.400 warrior attaining a drink the young warrior attaining some magical food and it's guarded

01:21:37.400 or presided over by a feminine being um we see it even two surviving in um king arthur attaining the

01:21:46.840 sword um from the lady of the lake this is a continuing thing um that is worth noting um

01:21:58.600 but he says but no no not one of the gods or of the elves will grant that we both be together

01:22:06.280 and again this is simply saying like none of the the lords of order the gods of of the heavenly

01:22:14.600 realms, no one's going to support this. So, uh, in verse eight, Skirner speaks.

01:22:26.760 Then give me the horse that goes through the dark and the magic flickering flames

01:22:34.480 and the sword as well that fights for itself against the giants grin.

01:22:40.680 Um, so this is alluding to the sword that, uh, Lord Frey has, and he, it fights for itself. This is, again, a, um, a point of his, as, as Mjolnir is to Lord Thor, this sword is to Holy Frey.

01:23:05.020 but it isn't later talked about in this story, but it is alluded to that the sword is lost for

01:23:16.820 love. And the only really good proposal that I've ever seen was from a storyteller who proposed

01:23:26.260 that the sword was a bride price, if you will, for the loss of Gerther in the home. So in

01:23:34.960 essence, it was given to Gimer, um, or the Jotuns, and that is why, uh, it's at such a deficit, and that is why

01:23:42.180 the Holy Frey must fight Sotur at the, in Ragnarok, with a antler, a deer antler, um, that's mentioned

01:23:52.720 later. So, he takes the, the, the sword, and he takes, um, Lord Frey's, or Holy Frey's, um, horse,

01:24:03.000 Blovenhova is the name of Frey's horse

01:24:07.720 Bloody hooves

01:24:09.080 Then Holy Frey says in stanza 9

01:24:19.920 The horse will I give thee that goes through the dark

01:24:23.560 And the magic flickering flames

01:24:25.240 And the sword as well that will fight for itself

01:24:28.140 If a worthy hero wields it

01:24:30.080 um and skirner speaks again but this time um

01:24:39.920 it's to the horse if you will he's kind of uh in the stories like in the story version that I like

01:24:47.120 to tell is he's he's speaking you know he goes to the stable and he prepares to ride he you know he

01:24:53.840 places on the the saddle and he speaks to blow then hova and he says dark is it without and i

01:25:02.960 deem in time to fare through the wild fells to fare through the giant's fastness we shall both

01:25:12.560 come back for us both together the terrible giant will take and i think that this is kind of

01:25:20.400 context a little bit oddly by the way bellows does it but he's he says you know it is dark in the

01:25:26.640 outer outer the outlanding place the the jotunheim and i deem it that we will fare through much of

01:25:33.920 the wilds we'll we'll fare through the chaos um and again this is alluding to the idea that

01:25:39.120 perhaps lord thor is much more akin to this than the other house and um we shall travel through

01:25:47.760 the uh the place in which the jotuns live the the the uh place in which they move about um and we

01:25:56.560 shall come back together or we shall not come back at all is in essence what's being said

01:26:04.080 even though that's kind of written a little oddly

01:26:06.080 um so we move to um stanza 11.

01:26:18.800 and again this is this is a intermediary uh injection of kind of giving sense of time has

01:26:29.520 passed. So Skirner rode into Jotunheim to Gimmer's house. There were fierce dogs bound before the

01:26:41.880 gate of the fence, which was around Gerth's hall. He rode to where he saw a herdsman sitting on the

01:26:48.920 hill. And he said, and so this, this part here is interesting because it kind of has a function of

01:26:59.160 laying out the land giving an idea of why this is so uh you know challenging and um it also has a

01:27:08.920 kind of colloquial sense of the ideas you go to a hall and you might run into the herdsmen of that

01:27:14.840 hall um in the outer outskirts and you might be able to get some glean some wisdom and that is

01:27:22.440 what he's in that's what he's intending to do so he goes to the herdsman and he says

01:27:30.760 tell me herdsmen sitting on the hill and watching all the ways

01:27:35.800 how may i win a word with the maid past the hounds of gimmer here

01:27:43.880 and in uh stanza 12 the herdsman speaks he says are you art thou doomed to die

01:27:52.440 or already dead thou horseman that ridest hither barred from speech shall thou ever be

01:27:59.960 if gimir's daughter good so

01:28:07.560 that's an interesting one i think that the the godrar of that in old norse means given or um

01:28:16.280 is, is blessed. Like if, if Gimir's daughter blesses you in essence, blesses you with what

01:28:25.000 he wants, which is to speak to her. Um, but you will not, you know, you will not be able to speak 0.97

01:28:32.460 because you'll be dead is, is really what he's saying. Barred from speech. You'll never say

01:28:37.600 another word again. If you run into those hounds, um, even if she does bless you, you have to get

01:28:44.780 through them um and skierner speaks in stanza 13 he says boldness is better than plaints can be

01:28:53.980 so it is better to be bold than to mire and complaint or to look downly only on the situation

01:29:00.940 for him whose feet must fare to a destined day has mine age been doomed and my lifespan there too

01:29:09.100 laid if anyone was ever wondering where that stanza in the book eaters of the dead or that

01:29:16.300 that uh bit from the 13th warrior comes from it comes from skirner's ball and it's

01:29:24.060 clearly stated my the day of my death has already been set and it's and i won't live a a a bit

01:29:31.740 longer i'm not 100 familiar with the um the the movie and when he says it i remember it a long

01:29:37.420 time ago but this is where it comes from and i i really do like the fact that he says you know

01:29:43.740 that the boldness is better than you know complaining it's better to move and it's very

01:29:50.620 very reminiscent to what else here really says don't let perfect be the enemy of good

01:29:56.540 he's gonna figure it out so this is the part where um it kind of shifts over

01:30:07.740 to gerder and she hasn't she's taken notice uh because of this uh kind of interaction if you will

01:30:18.780 um actually but there might be so i know that some storytellers speak of him jumping the wall

01:30:25.420 or jumping a flaming wall and that's what the noise that draws uh gerder but that is

01:30:31.580 an interpolation of the storytellers.

01:30:35.760 But Gerðir speaks to her handmaid.

01:30:40.960 In stanza 14, she says,

01:30:42.880 What noise is that which now so loud I hear within our house? 1.00

01:30:47.800 The ground shakes, and the home of Gimir around me trembles too. 1.00

01:30:55.060 I mean, that's pretty straightforward. 0.99

01:30:57.160 It's so loud she can hear it inside.

01:30:58.940 And the ambaut, the serving maiden says, one stands without who has leapt from his steed and let his horse loose to graze.

01:31:14.440 Now, this part here is, again, lost.

01:31:19.680 There's two, if you're following along, there's two stanzas there that are remarked but are gone.

01:31:28.940 There are notes in the bottom there about the manuscript and about how the scholar Boog believes that these are placed elsewhere in the poem.

01:31:46.940 um i i you know i don't have much of a of a state on that one but it is worth noting if he's saying

01:31:55.340 that he's hopped from his horse to loose to grace he's most likely in the surrounding courtyard or

01:31:59.780 the surrounding uh land within the fence he's he's made his way in to the inner guard

01:32:07.040 so swan we are getting answers into your question about the river flowing

01:32:15.140 forth from Fenrir's mouth, the river Vaun, the river of hope.

01:32:22.160 Okay, so this is an interesting one. Why would the slobbering poisonous river coming out of

01:32:30.160 Fenris Ulver's mouth be called hope? It's because there's a little bit more beyond just hope. So

01:32:36.700 Again, reading simply a translation from Wikipedia can be very dangerous because there are other meanings for Vaun, and one of the big ones is expectation or desire.

01:32:51.720 And I think that the meaning of Vaun is the desire to poison, the desire for revenge, the desire to break free.

01:33:04.220 um and it is interesting and i you know here just looking it up i wanted to to bring it up here is

01:33:11.720 um let me see where did it go

01:33:14.980 uh vaun expectation desire prospect or hopes

01:33:23.320 um and it's utilized uh in multiple different ways and so a lot of times i think when people

01:33:31.080 read that, they might, they might be a little, um, lost. And here's another thing about

01:33:36.920 translations. When you look at translations, going into breaking simple words up, like the word

01:33:43.240 vow, V-A-L, is that word means woe and calamity and danger. And so depending on the usage of the

01:33:57.840 word and what time it was used, it could have different meanings. And I find that when you

01:34:02.940 read those translations and you're like, hope, why hope? You got to look further in. Oftentimes that

01:34:09.820 might just be the first word of the definition that they might have pulled it from. So desirous

01:34:16.800 and expected is another meaning of the river. And again, vow means calamity. So I've often always

01:34:26.000 translated that as expecting or desiring calamity and that is why the the slobber 0.89

01:34:34.640 poisons uh the folks minds and creates this um you know where it's depriving the house of 0.69

01:34:44.440 mighty souls keeps us away from attaining our woed self it is the lower form it is the beast

01:34:52.340 form and is the form in which we must rise above is the the i'd like to point out a couple of things

01:35:02.020 as relates to that one of the most detrimental things that i have seen in modern house of truth

01:35:14.740 is the

01:35:15.380 defeatism or for long foregone conclusion by so many of our folk that everything must 0.96

01:35:29.220 just be futile and we can't win anyway and everything sucks and everything's a big scam

01:35:36.500 might as well just not do anything and that feeds into what i talked about about

01:35:41.780 that lethargy or pull towards entropy that is such a powerful force of chaos we've seen it all the

01:35:54.620 time we see it writ large we see it in small scale but when we always assume everything

01:36:02.820 must be too good to be true. Everything must be a big lie. We see this displayed in a lot

01:36:12.100 of different ways. But one of the things is, you know, if anybody ever does something successful,

01:36:18.840 ah, well, it's clearly their feds or that's, you know, that's the people with tiny hats

01:36:26.880 and big noses doing it or whatever the case might be that prevents so many good things

01:36:37.720 from happening is our constant focus of it's all rigged we can't win anyway so we might

01:36:44.340 as well not try that's the easiest way to prevent anything good from ever happening

01:36:53.340 It sounds trite, but there's a lot of truth to the idea that what it takes for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing.

01:37:02.500 If we're lulled into a sense that we can't do anything, we might as well just entropy into video games and porn and getting on Twitter and doom spiraling.

01:37:16.020 Because we can't really get chicks that actually want to know us in a carnal way.

01:37:21.760 We can't actually be successful in life. 0.95

01:37:25.340 We can't.

01:37:26.720 When that's so internalized, the defeatism rots out our soul.

01:37:33.680 A couple of years ago, everybody was exalting over Sky King.

01:37:39.780 I don't know if you guys remember Sky King.

01:37:44.480 But not disparaging the guy at all.

01:37:49.720 It's a tragedy.

01:37:51.760 there's a white young man that thought you know he tried so hard and he had self-taught himself

01:38:01.120 how to pilot aircraft and that was his dream he was a kid before he even gave it a good shot

01:38:12.560 he reckoned that with affirmative action and diverse hiring practices and all of the various

01:38:21.920 things that he wasn't wanted and he could never be a pilot and that was his dream

01:38:28.320 he stole a plane he did amazing maneuvers with it that were mind-blowing and then he

01:38:35.040 He plummeted to his death with it because he was convinced that there's no way he could win.

01:38:44.880 Had a good 70 years ahead of him that he could have done amazing things.

01:38:53.140 But so many of our folk drank that spittle and have that expectation.

01:39:02.540 and it's poisoning us from the inside out i think it's really important that we know that and

01:39:10.220 fight against it and you know what this is something too and i run into this in the afa

01:39:17.720 sometimes there's all every time something doesn't work out or we put trust in somebody

01:39:27.700 that doesn't live up to it there's a group of naysayers that will say i guys should have known

01:39:35.620 better ah that's you know of course or ah whatever sometimes we do know better one of the things

01:39:44.340 about winning and about being noble is sometimes you know odds are against you and you try to do

01:39:52.580 it anyway because if you don't try nothing good happens and there's always that chance that you

01:40:00.820 can make something great happen out of something that is you know not the best of circumstances

01:40:09.060 and to keep trying is really important if we automatically assume that because the deck is

01:40:17.220 stacked against us sometimes we don't try that is the easiest way for any force that would oppose us

01:40:26.260 to prevent us from doing anything is that lethargy and i might as well not try you know what i can do

01:40:33.060 instead i could work all day every day at a job that i hate that i barely get by at

01:40:41.540 and i can spend my time being unhappy and escaping into various things and i'm not saying that

01:40:50.420 any of us have recreation and all of us escape into a lot of different things to make us happy

01:40:56.800 and that's okay here and there to recharge but as a pattern and as lifestyle choice it's not

01:41:05.100 that is the most effective tool if somebody says hey i'm calling you out let's fight

01:41:11.120 cool half of us are going to get up you know knuckle up put our chest out and go for it

01:41:17.840 but if you just say ah you can't win anyway that's too hard

01:41:21.840 but you know what there's this nonsense over here you can do instead and barely get by and be

01:41:26.240 comfortable with that we choose that really often it's much more seductive it's much more effective

01:41:32.800 tool of the enemy and rather than complain about it or talk about the conspiracy of it

01:41:40.560 no well played chaos how about we learn from it next time and don't make that mistake

01:41:48.100 and it's so much harder than I'm pointing it out to be but it's really really important and I think

01:41:55.560 that that is the biggest we can talk about all of the forces out there that hold us back the biggest

01:42:03.980 thing that i have witnessed holding us back in the i don't know 23 24 years now that i've been

01:42:11.820 involved in uh also true or you know what the kids today might call white positive things

01:42:22.140 is defeatism and infighting from our own our own folks and that is the tragedy that

01:42:31.820 we are trying so hard to overcome and we're working every day to overcome we will if everybody

01:42:39.620 all of a sudden got happy and put their shoulder behind the wheel to move us forward we would go

01:42:44.120 faster but we're going to overcome regardless and we are um but that's the biggest detriment I've

01:42:52.100 seen so that idea we got to wake up every morning with a mission that we want to accomplish we got

01:42:58.940 to go to bed every evening feeling like we have even if it's infinitesimally small we have moved

01:43:05.900 that forward we have moved closer to that goal that's the victory that we are all pursuing and

01:43:14.320 that we're trying so hard to pursue together but that force of keeping us down of entropy

01:43:19.800 is seductive, and a part of that is what Swan talked about, the slobber of defeatism.

01:43:31.500 I waxed too long on that. So on a positive note, rather than that, I will say this.

01:43:39.360 Says it is in the copper can. This can is not copper. It's aluminum, but it's delicious. You

01:43:47.420 can find these at Costco. They are flavored Moscow mules. I am not sponsored by Costco,

01:43:53.560 but Costco, if you would like to sponsor the Alistair Folk Assembly, we would appreciate that.

01:44:00.540 Either way, I didn't mean to be a downer on it, but I think some of these points are really

01:44:05.080 important. And if we know the traps of the enemy, it's much easier to avoid them. But we've got to

01:44:14.340 constantly remind ourselves that those trap traps are there the way traps work is that they're

01:44:22.260 seductive so we have to keep our eyes open and stay vigilant and a lot more of me talking than

01:44:30.260 actually going on the uh the meat of this uh this poem so let's get back to the lay of skirner

01:44:37.940 so uh as we move um to stanza 16 get there says to her to her excuse me to her handmaiden

01:44:55.260 um bid the man come in and drink good mead here within our hall thou this i fear

01:45:03.860 that there without my brother's slayer stands so

01:45:10.340 this is not a hundred percent understood what she's referring to there is a lot of

01:45:20.140 um theories and and with good reason so um we know of a of a brief mentioning that

01:45:31.280 the holy fray fights a um a jotain by the name of of bailey um and he fights him and that uh some

01:45:43.700 people have theorized that gerder is bailey's sister however one thing that they they don't

01:45:51.500 kind of and again timelines are very very subjective in the war um he defeats bailey

01:45:59.700 with his bare hands and on on a general sense they most people think that this is because he

01:46:06.660 has already given up his sword or it could be that he felt no threat by him and would fight

01:46:13.700 him bare-handed instead of needing a weapon um however these are again these are jumps they're um

01:46:20.900 they're references to bailey and and uh the holy fray being belly's slayer um but there is no

01:46:29.220 absolute connection that this is our uh that they're they're that they're all connected

01:46:35.620 though with good reason since a lot of referencing back and forth between all of the stories it is

01:46:42.360 entirely plausible and um i think i i'm generally of the inclination to believe that that is the

01:46:50.940 case but that the chronological aspect is either thrown off or again he he felt not threatened so

01:46:58.260 i don't even need my sword but that is a story that is lost and it's only mentioned um here and

01:47:05.360 in in uh the velaspa um so she states you know i fear that um this may be my brother's slayer

01:47:17.500 um and there and again there's she's not going to arms but instead wanting to find out

01:47:28.260 who this who this person is and what the entailing of if this person is or not um because she has

01:47:36.120 very very strong um her family is strong so luring him in if you will to find out the truth and who

01:47:44.240 he actually is and perhaps dealing with it from there so in stanza 17 she says art thou of the

01:47:55.860 elves or of the offspring of the gods or of the wise wains how how camest thou alone through

01:48:07.700 the leaping flame thus to behold our home so in the poem it doesn't make mention of the flaming

01:48:16.660 wall around the house until here so a lot of the storytellers that have converted the poems back

01:48:25.140 into stories speak of the gate and the that the flame originates from the gate and that there are

01:48:31.700 hounds in front of it so it's just a very daunting situation you have a giant gate with two big hounds

01:48:36.420 in front of it that are ready to fight not only that the archway of the gate produces a flame

01:48:42.020 that surrounds the entire house how'd you do it how'd you get past this and another thing again

01:48:47.300 is she states you know are you from the elves are you from the gods are you from the the the vanir

01:48:57.940 um are you are you a children of the god a child of the gods or are you from the the wains the

01:49:05.620 vanir um of the middle and

01:49:09.220 And he speaks in return in stanza 18, he says, I am not of the elves, nor the offspring of the gods, nor of the wise wains, though I came alone through the leaping flame, thus to behold thy home.

01:49:27.520 And this is where I was making mention that the exalting of the human soul to be lifted up, to be residing with the holy gods, a very special station, a station in which I believe Skinner is a part of.

01:49:47.780 I believe that he is an entity that was ascended, if you will. And this is one of those outside of perhaps the Einherjar, or brief mentionings in Bill Skillner with Thor.

01:50:02.840 So, he speaks, and he didn't emphasize this earlier in the story, so you kind of have to go with it, but he speaks about what he has.

01:50:14.040 um in stanza 19 he says 11 apples all of gold here will i give thee gareth to buy thy troth

01:50:24.060 that fray shall be deemed to be dearest to you so like many other aryan branches it's that i have

01:50:34.540 come but i have come with the food of the gods i've come with the the sustenance of the gods

01:50:39.860 And I will give them to you if you would pledge your love, your loyalty, your faith in my master, the holy fray.

01:50:56.120 And now things get snarky.

01:50:58.440 This is kind of fun.

01:50:59.840 The idea is just how the offerings and the placements in which he's trying to angle end up falling flat because Gerder is just very unapproachable and very, very cunning in the way that she's angling these desirable things. 0.86

01:51:22.660 And I think it's also kind of important to note that the Jotun's were often seen as not needing the maintenance of this as they, you know, their erosion over time was much, much slower.

01:51:38.000 Um, so, uh, in stanza 20, Gerder says, I will not take at any man's wish these 11 apples ever, nor shall Frey and I one, one dwelling find so long as we two live.

01:51:59.120 I don't need the apples. I don't need your Lord. We're never even going to, we'll never ever be in the same place, um, together.

01:52:08.000 And so this begins the, the entire crucible of the story is the ray of light from the Lord of the Light Elves goes to the cold and shining earth to bathe it to open up.

01:52:26.420 And it's met with resistance, clearly.

01:52:30.560 so uh in stanza 21 skinner says then i bring thee the ring that has burned for of old with

01:52:44.640 odin's son from it do eight of like weight fall on every ninth night so for those who are unfamiliar

01:52:55.360 this is of course drop near the dripping one this is the ring of uh lord odin it's at odin's hof

01:53:05.520 you know again writing in the folk futhark there is a band upon his arm and there's also a band

01:53:12.400 upon uh balder's arm at balder's hof because the connection of drop near the idea is that

01:53:19.840 dropner is given to balder balder goes to the place away from time in the shade beyond the veil

01:53:26.400 and waits and then drop near is returned and so it's very interesting that this is added in the

01:53:34.720 apples and the ring it doesn't give us a good chronological sense is this before everything

01:53:41.600 with baldur is this after it's not quite known but i also think that for poetic verse this is about

01:53:48.960 really bringing out the big guns um that our ancestors would have heard this and been like

01:53:57.000 man she's that the apples of immortality the ring that produces itself over and over again

01:54:03.420 just to emphasize again how cold how hard and how unmoving gerder is

01:54:11.580 um in stanza 22 she speaks the ring i wish not though burned it was of old with oath and son

01:54:21.500 so here kind of alluding to after the funeral pyre this is the return um drop here

01:54:29.880 um or the poem is simply alluding to it because that's how the audience might know it to be

01:54:39.560 um in gimmer's home is no lack of gold in the wealth of my father's my father wields so

01:54:50.120 she speaks that her the source of her her father her hall has got plenty of riches 0.98

01:54:55.660 she's not greedy she doesn't need any of that um you know wealth or immortality

01:55:03.580 so start to escalate a little bit here oh here's a a note

01:55:13.800 um critics of this and new like woke audiences

01:55:20.840 whatever hashtag me too on it or whatever the deal is you can see this is a bartering process

01:55:31.180 There is an understanding. There is a bride price. There is an understanding that there's the custom of, you know, this is what you do and this is how you make stuff work.

01:55:43.760 is you, you offer things and you prove your worth or not. And you, there is this interplay in the

01:55:54.880 winning of a spouse, winning of a partner. These things are, especially amongst nobility,

01:56:07.180 these things are negotiated and there's a

01:56:13.580 commoditization of it in a sense and not in a crass sense but in a very important sense

01:56:21.580 and that would have been very familiar to the original audience of this this isn't you know

01:56:27.820 this isn't what a modern audience might make it this would make a lot more sense to a uh

01:56:34.700 early medieval or late dark age audience and the bride price a lot of people try to

01:56:45.060 say oh this is chattel this is them you know buying a woman they're looking at it completely

01:56:52.120 wrong of course just because they want to make this patriarchal argument um sure it is buying

01:56:59.420 a woman in a sense it's also you buy men you have wear guilt you have a sense of people have a value

01:57:08.780 and in a society where those things determine life and death it's meaningful

01:57:16.540 um whether we want to realize it or not ever things have value and not all things are equal

01:57:31.180 it seems crass to put a value on a human life but in a society where life expectancy is different

01:57:41.260 ours human life does have a value how many resources how much resources does that person

01:57:50.380 consume how much resource do they provide those things it's it seems impolite to discuss that

01:58:03.260 when we live in an age of such abundance but if we didn't those things matter tremendously whether

01:58:12.380 it's polite or not it is true um so determining value uh and and this is another time to make a

01:58:24.140 note and i am i am taking the long-winded role this evening um but i think this is

01:58:33.020 really important to our faith and certainly to our ancestors worldview

01:58:39.580 we don't believe in equality in the afa and it's not done in quite as stark survival terms

01:58:49.100 as people in the viking age perhaps because we have a lot more wiggle room when it comes to

01:58:58.620 survival but worth is really important money is a really easy way to quantify that and it's kind of

01:59:09.660 the root of how we value different things and different commodities but it doesn't end at that

01:59:16.060 And we see this in the Rune Fehu. We see this idea of value and of worth. Worth is really important. Worth comes with power or reputation.

01:59:31.220 hymenia standing before the gods or the folk worth can mean a lot of things but the concept

01:59:39.940 of increasing your worth is essential to aussitry and what's more

01:59:47.460 um this is this is one of those things we've talked before a number of times about

01:59:52.980 we throw out religious words with the bath water too easily because maybe we grew up associating

02:00:04.500 them with christianity but christianity in europe is long is largely expressed through words that

02:00:15.300 came from our pre-existing religion worship is one of those things

02:00:26.100 worship breaks down etymologically into worth ship or assigning worth to or recognizing worth of

02:00:36.500 we worship our gods by acknowledging their worthiness or their worth

02:00:43.540 um when you'd read medieval literature of Knights they would you know even in the Christian era

02:00:51.700 we're you know worshiping anything other than their desert God was considered idolatry

02:00:58.000 Knights would go from court to court and tournament to tournament to win worship

02:01:04.960 what did that mean it meant to to be to have their worth acknowledged in foreign courts

02:01:13.540 In a way, Lord Freyr is sending his man, his manservant to establish his worth in the house or the court of this giantess and her father.

02:01:30.300 So worth matters tremendously.

02:01:33.900 Money is one way of understanding it.

02:01:37.260 A mighty, you know, a gold ring that makes nine rings every night.

02:01:43.540 is a way of demonstrating worth he can provide as is his sword as is many of these things but the

02:01:51.920 idea of establishing worth and reputation is very valuable and i thought it was worth

02:01:57.900 i don't know spending a few minutes reiterating here you um bring up a point as well uh in the

02:02:07.120 in lore in the sagas the family will oftentimes give gifts like boats weapons and things to the

02:02:15.960 son so that he can go out into the world and establish his worth whereas with the daughter

02:02:21.680 the daughter is given a dowry that oftentimes is constructed it's made and when it's done it

02:02:29.080 usually helps with the household her worth at home so you'll see that a lot like uh if there

02:02:35.320 is a male figure that stays at home too long he's called a cold chewer that means like he's sitting

02:02:40.680 next to the fire for too long you know or he's nibbling on his mother's skirt whereas with a

02:02:48.440 with a woman with a with a daughter it is seen that like you have to compensate the family for

02:02:55.500 the loss of her value in the home because she oftentimes brings so much extra help as well so

02:03:02.740 the bride price was really about compensation and establishing what she is worth from the

02:03:11.160 from the prospective person the person that's trying to attain her hand if you know if he's

02:03:16.740 willing to give over much in order to you know assuage the the deficit that will come from her

02:03:24.700 leaving the home and it's a large thing again it's a it's a societal flex saying she's worth

02:03:30.380 this much and she's worth a lot that you're going to lose once she comes to my home into my hall

02:03:38.300 and i can provide for her so like that's kind of piggybacking on what you said

02:03:44.780 no it's it's really important and we see it in modern ways in in in different senses you know

02:03:51.420 people very commonly will build up like a college fund for a child so when they reach adulthood they

02:03:59.500 have some kind of a purse they can take towards their professional endeavors

02:04:09.820 we see it in different parts of the world i think they they still see it in a way that's

02:04:14.460 much more a one-for-one understanding of this but the principle really does matter and like i said

02:04:23.740 it's we look a sconce at it and turn our nose up at it when it has a direct monetary value

02:04:33.020 in in a way i think we feel that cheapens it but it's not just worth in terms of dollar bills

02:04:40.540 it's in terms of status or in terms of suitability or maybe genetic you know you're

02:04:49.180 going to produce the most amazing grandkids for this person's family or just in terms of hey this

02:04:57.740 guy is somebody we trust is going to raise our grandkids with the values that mean something to

02:05:03.260 us or hey we think that this person is going to stick around when times are tough and make sure

02:05:09.660 our daughter doesn't find themselves in hardship and desperation if we're not here to take care of

02:05:17.180 um worth when we put it in terms of things we value and not things we think are dirty like money

02:05:28.860 um it makes more sense and maybe it has more value to us so i challenge you guys to kind of

02:05:35.820 quantify worth in terms like that as opposed to gold one of the things is gold you can take it

02:05:42.860 and get whatever you need we get this on uh kind of a an aside for a second we'll get back to the

02:05:51.100 text but when you people want to help the afa out with our food uh food pantries or whatever and

02:05:59.340 they'll say you know hey well you know i wanna i have a bunch of canned food in my pantry can i

02:06:06.780 send it to you yeah i guess you can and you're paying by the pound of what you're sending of

02:06:13.660 a weight of canned food and it's super inefficient how about you just donate x

02:06:19.420 dollars to it and then we can buy the food that we need oh no money's dirty

02:06:26.620 it's not it's not quite that simple so the fluidity of gold when they talk about those

02:06:32.060 rings or whatever it's not just so you have shiny things it's an ability to

02:06:40.140 acquire to this audience you know if you are noble it is a symbol of status of wealth of

02:06:48.620 the ability to retain warriors to protect you of the ability to provide for your people

02:06:56.300 they would take these rings very oftenly and clip chunks to pay for stuff like it was a very

02:07:04.460 tangible uh commodity um but it meant that into a more middle class or a more surf audience that

02:07:16.380 heard this story recited orally these things transfer a lot they mean the difference sometimes

02:07:26.540 between starvation and good health for you and your children so i say that to say this

02:07:36.220 this isn't about you know threatening the use of force or about you know buying sexual favors

02:07:44.940 that's not the point the point is a transfer of of value between things and a bestowing of value

02:07:54.540 upon certain things and i think that that gets lost sometimes when you just gloss over it

02:08:00.860 all right spawn take us back to the test no this is great i'm on the other end

02:08:16.700 it's some of these you'll see that i'll sit here and i won't say anything for like 45 minutes while

02:08:21.660 spawn's reading the stuff because some stories are very much like that and honestly like the

02:08:27.980 audience when spawn gets to reading and doing his thing i really like to sit and listen

02:08:32.780 other times small things will bring up points that maybe i've wanted to make or i think are

02:08:40.380 really important and one of the cool things about going through the lore with you all is

02:08:49.260 the different ways those are brought to mind and hopefully the way if i can explain it in that

02:08:55.660 context or in that way maybe it's meaningful to some of our listeners our viewers in a way that

02:09:03.340 maybe i haven't been able to express it before anyways that's my hope

02:09:09.500 yeah and i think that that value there too is you never know who exactly you're addressing

02:09:15.180 or somebody that might come up to the thought of it again too just seeing where um some of

02:09:20.620 our stances are or where we perceive history as you know you have these people that perceive it

02:09:26.460 as like you know a dowry is nothing and a bride price is chattel and we're more of the mindset

02:09:32.060 no there is a dynamic here and it's being you know um applied then but it could be bar more

02:09:38.780 appreciates it i appreciate you jay seeing them over in the chat thank you for that

02:09:45.420 all right well let's get back to our story

02:09:47.260 so um

02:09:50.680 he this is where it gets it ramps up a bit it's uh at this point skierner um looks down

02:10:03.420 at his the sheath on his belt and um i really like how douglas rossman a storyteller says you

02:10:13.840 know he he shows a bit of the blade i always found that just as a memory for me to be to be

02:10:23.440 uh great but he says see seest thou maiden this keen bright sword that i hold here in my hand

02:10:33.040 thy head from thy neck shall i straight away hue if thou wilt not do my will

02:10:41.200 and

02:10:44.500 Gerður doesn't

02:10:46.020 doesn't 0.94

02:10:47.220 she says

02:10:49.720 for no man's sake will I ever

02:10:52.620 suffer to be thus

02:10:54.580 moved by might but gladly

02:10:56.800 methinks will Gimer

02:10:58.460 seek to fight if he

02:11:00.480 finds thee here

02:11:01.540 so you may threaten me you may

02:11:04.540 even succeed

02:11:06.140 but you will not make it out of this hall

02:11:08.540 alone before my father

02:11:09.960 um destroys you is basically what she's saying um

02:11:15.520 so in uh 25 skinner says and this is a repetition line again to build that uh alliteration see thou

02:11:32.560 maiden this keen bright sword that i hold here in my hand before its blade the old giant bends

02:11:39.720 thy father is doomed to die. So he simply just states, I'll kill your father too. 1.00

02:11:52.380 So now we've escalated from gift giving to threats, threats of physical violence. 0.99

02:12:02.340 But what we're going to next is beyond the physical, if you will.

02:12:09.720 let me see are we are on 26 correct double checking there's a 20. that'd be the next one

02:12:19.800 yeah yeah okay so now we move beyond we for for people that are interested in the runes

02:12:29.560 this has a huge chunk of runic uh kind of like it's it's alluding to runic power and how

02:12:38.840 serious this is and it's also understood simply that the gods um have formulated runic power

02:12:48.600 to such a degree that it's terrifying that lord ovin attaining the runes and then transferring

02:12:56.520 the knowledge to the heavenly ones to heimdall even to skirner that the idea of of magical

02:13:05.240 knowledge via the runes is not simply something that lord odin is like he's the god of the runes

02:13:14.520 again this is alluded to over and over and over again that the gods know the runes because the

02:13:20.360 runes are truly magical truly powerful and they are the foundations of the um the building blocks

02:13:27.560 of the of the universe and lord voden won that prize and shared it with the heavenly beings

02:13:34.920 because again he is the lord of attainment and binding and releasing of fetters or knowledge so

02:13:46.040 he turns to say i strike thee made with my magical staff to tame thee to work my will

02:13:56.440 there shalt thou go where never again the sons of men shall see thee

02:14:03.400 so now he's starting to lay the uh beginning of the threat of the magical runes but it gets

02:14:11.960 much worse so basically saying i will banish you to the outer realms

02:14:15.720 where no the the sons of men no one with with eyes to perceive you will see you on the eagle's hill 0.92

02:14:23.720 shalt thou ever sit and gaze upon the gates of hell more loathsome to thee than the light-hued

02:14:33.320 snake to men shall thy meat become and this here is the the eagle's hill the the lonesome place in

02:14:45.560 which the hunter perches the wind blown place um and you will stare and look upon the gates of the

02:14:52.200 dead you shall be in a place on the outskirts in between physical and timelessness and you will be

02:15:02.840 so uh lost of pot pallor you'll be like uh you know like a yellowed snake um and that you know

02:15:14.280 your flesh will become um of that now this is an interesting one too

02:15:20.680 because when we speak of the the meat remember to meet uh especially in anglo-saxon just meant

02:15:28.840 food so it the the question that i've had about this one was if there's a connection there would

02:15:37.720 it be that um her skin her pallor is is becoming sickly um and is you know uh unwanted her flesh 0.93

02:15:49.240 will be unwanted the other is is that uh she will become so thin and so gaunt and so dropped that she

02:16:01.320 is not a of a meal she cannot be consumed um no one would want her and i think that's a alluding

02:16:10.680 to desire the idea is that um uh kind of like you know in the old cartoons when you saw the

02:16:17.320 when the cartoon saw like it would have a feminine woman and then the guy would turn into a wolf and

02:16:22.440 start slavering at the jaws or what have you i i the meaning of this um is interesting if you will

02:16:31.080 but you know again it that you will turn into the power of a of a of an ormia snake um loathsome and

02:16:40.200 undesired um and it gets worse again so in 28 fearful to see if thou comest forth you will be

02:16:52.840 terrible to look upon in luck primner will stand and stare men will marvel at thee more feigned

02:17:00.680 shalt thou grow than the watchmen of the gods more famed than heimdall himself peer forth then from

02:17:09.240 thy prison. Rage and longing, fetters and wrath, tears and torment are thine. Where thou sittest

02:17:23.120 down, my doom is upon thee of heavy heart and double dole. For anybody that's not familiar

02:17:32.200 with the word dole, it means the handing out. That which I am handing upon you will be heavy

02:17:38.700 upon your heart and you will sit down and uh be filled with rage be filled with desire the the

02:17:47.180 fetters of wrath and tears of torment will hold you and this is where this poetic part is really

02:17:53.900 really good um the way that they're doing the alliteration and just kind of driving it um

02:18:00.460 bellows is imperfect but when he's on he's really on i think a lot of this is expressed really

02:18:10.540 really beautifully um and some of the passages are confusing of why he made certain choices

02:18:17.580 others are really really well done yeah i one thing i we passed through that i i wanted to

02:18:26.140 bring up too is the the idea that or when he says three runes i shall write against you

02:18:32.940 three thirst runes three cursing runes the word thirst is very akin i think in equivalency to

02:18:41.740 perhaps the christianized word demon so these are like just evil runes to work against you to curse

02:18:49.820 you and he's speaking about the nature of what they can cause and so you know the um

02:18:56.620 the equivalency there is that is like not only am i going to bring runes against you i'm going

02:19:01.900 to bring the worst runes against you the three thirst runes um in uh 30 he says in the giants

02:19:13.740 home shall vile things harm thee each day with evil deeds grief shalt thou get instead of gladness

02:19:22.300 and sorrow to suffer with tears so you will suffer violence in the hands of those around you

02:19:27.900 you will constantly be pursued um for violence or for you know terrible things never never love

02:19:36.220 never hope never um gladness it will be you know to be struck to be shunned and to be uh spit upon

02:19:45.580 is uh is what he's he's going with here these runes will conjure up this curse

02:19:52.060 that will produce a such a terrible state um and he says in 31

02:19:59.820 with three-headed giants thou shalt dwell ever or never know a husband let longing grip thee

02:20:10.460 let wasting waste thee be like to the thistle that in the loft was cast and there was crushed

02:20:19.980 um again just uh you know you if you do dwell with anyone it will be with the horrid it will

02:20:30.860 be with the lower it will be with the the mutated and and afflicted um and you will be you know

02:20:38.360 again afterwards be tossed away um i go to he now he's speaking again of the wand he says i go to

02:20:50.020 the wood and to the wet forest to win a magic wand i won a magic wand now there is

02:20:58.540 a break there again in the in the uh stanza uh the the two stanzas or perhaps one stanza are lost

02:21:08.140 Um, but again, referring to the fact that he has gone to the wood to gain this, this tine, this staff or stavr, this, um, you know, this sliver of wood upon which he will carve, um, these curses upon.

02:21:28.320 Um, and he says in 33, Othin grows angry and angered is the best of the gods.

02:21:35.980 Frey shall be thy foe. 1.00

02:21:40.920 Most evil maid who's the magic wrath of gods has, has got for thyself. 1.00

02:21:48.140 So you will be the evil maiden that is known for being wrathfully smited by the gods. 0.93

02:21:54.640 34 give heed frost rulers hear it giants sons of sutung and gods ye too how i forbid and how i

02:22:11.300 ban the meeting of men with this maiden the joy of men with this maid so if anybody is familiar

02:22:19.440 with um edrid thorson and or uh dr flowers this part here is where he places his the proclamation

02:22:30.960 when you are carving runes um there is a proclamation section of which you you speak

02:22:39.440 the rooms or you know how to speak of them and this again is where this comes from he's he's

02:22:44.740 stating that he is this is his proclamation to all the yogins and to all the gods but once he

02:22:51.300 carves this once he lays the blade and the blood and sings the song of these runes on the wand

02:22:58.740 this is what will happen to her and there's no amount of

02:23:01.780 protection from her father no amount of cunning in her own mind that will save her

02:23:07.380 um and then he goes a little bit further grim grimner the icy ugly or icy uh dark uh grimmed

02:23:23.340 face is he the giant who shall have thee in the depth by the doors of hell to the frost giant's

02:23:30.960 Each day thou shalt fare, crawling and craving in vain, crawling and having no hope.

02:23:42.160 And it still gets worse.

02:23:50.600 36, he says,

02:23:51.960 Base wretches there by the root of the tree will hold for thee horns of filth.

02:23:59.060 so again he's making a uh allusion towards the root in the lower realm uh which is near

02:24:06.980 very elmer and he's he says that you know in that place you will not be met with horns of

02:24:15.520 of good you will be horns of filth um

02:24:19.080 just the imagery that is so gross yeah it leaves a lot to you know to uh

02:24:29.640 look at if you will the um or to to wonder about what exactly sometimes it's often referred to as

02:24:38.820 you know like waste or or a urine is even often kind of placed in there as well you'll receive

02:24:45.100 not, not mead, but urine. Um, you get the dookie horn. So this is the part where he makes a point

02:24:56.440 of stating the, uh, the runes that he will, um, carve. He says, I write thee a charm and three

02:25:08.480 runes there with longing and madness and lust but what i have writ i may yet unwrite if i find a

02:25:16.960 need therefore so he says the curse i am writing can be undone but only simply if you are willing

02:25:25.200 to meet my my master to join with him and this is kind of the end of the of the the threat um

02:25:38.480 You know, Gareth then speaks back to him.

02:25:46.020 Find welcome rather, and with it take the frost cup filled with mead.

02:25:52.120 Thou I did not believe that I should so love ever one of the wains.

02:25:57.200 So she says, take this cup.

02:25:59.900 Take this cup as a pledge.

02:26:02.960 That my word is good and that I will meet him.

02:26:05.760 um and never had i ever thought that i would um you know conjoin with the wains and i this is

02:26:14.120 another point in some of the stories that i tell about the beginnings um is that the house the

02:26:20.020 the outer gods are above and that the the vanir and the jotens who are again connected in the

02:26:29.880 middle have had dealings with each other before the Aesir interceded and started to again create

02:26:40.440 that axis. And in that point, of course, there would be a war and the war forces the Wains and 0.78

02:26:48.520 the Aesir to look at themselves and to conjoin together to fight the forces that dwell in the

02:26:56.240 ancient lands in the east and so the the idea i that i portray is that um the waynes speak of

02:27:05.040 seeing like seeing the folk for the first time uh after they're they're shaped by oldenville and

02:27:12.240 vague and they say to you know is this the work of of um verses in the east and it's no this is

02:27:20.380 something more they are they're upon high we need to find out how powerful they are and that's when

02:27:25.740 they send their emissary, Gulbe. But that's this part here is kind of alluding to is, you know,

02:27:33.460 never what I thought I would ever be with a Vanir. Skirner then speaks, he says, my tidings all 0.78

02:27:43.080 must I truly learn. Ere homeward hence I ride, how soon thou wilt with mighty son of Mjörðr a

02:27:50.520 meeting make again bellows really really masterfully um placing that with the with the

02:27:59.000 alliterations um and gareth speaks again body there is which we both know well a forest so a

02:28:11.940 forest named or titled body, um, a forest fair and still and nine nights.

02:28:19.800 Hence the son of Njordh will girth their grant delight.

02:28:27.180 And, um, I've, I've heard people read into this a little, you know, more of, I think, 0.99

02:28:32.180 a degenerates. And I think that what the meaning of the joy that she will give him is his desire

02:28:38.300 to meet with her she is going to um fulfill his wishes he wants to meet then he will meet me

02:28:50.020 and uh body has um the same meaning uh and i appreciate that

02:28:59.960 i think they're absolutely gonna bump uglies i think that's kind of the point of it

02:29:05.900 um but yes ultimately I I appreciate I appreciate trying to keep it clean one thing that I do think

02:29:16.880 is appropriate

02:29:23.060 sex isn't bad and I think that it's

02:29:28.280 when we are in the age that we are in to where sexuality is so degraded and so

02:29:34.760 constantly over emphasized and overthrust upon the young and in such a way that is insidious

02:29:47.880 it's very tempting to react against it but i think one of the things that really does speak

02:29:58.040 to especially the yotnar and and the the is the you know the sexual coupling of

02:30:09.320 of two beings of two elements and i think that that we see that here and we see that as a reward

02:30:18.040 one through effort we don't see it cheapened in it this may seem a strange take on this but

02:30:25.320 But if nothing else, it seems that this is elevated.

02:30:30.140 She's not giving it up to just anybody.

02:30:32.500 This took effort and proving of worth and of value.

02:30:43.460 This wasn't an easy sexual conquest.

02:30:47.360 This was a very difficult sexual conquest.

02:30:50.360 this and in a way that was worth affirming as opposed to worth denying as we see a lot

02:31:00.020 of times in a more modern context um another thing it's interesting because the body the

02:31:10.820 can be applied to the angular or spikiness of needles of evergreen. So there is a lending

02:31:22.480 towards the ideas that the grove in which they are to meet is an evergreen grove, and it is one

02:31:28.080 that they both know well. Another point to make, though, is that it could also be alluding to

02:31:34.060 barley um because there's mention of snotty using it incorrectly in relation to um the ash tree

02:31:42.300 whereas the word would have been known to be used for evergreens and um that also too it could

02:31:49.020 represent the spiky ends of or the needling that pops out of the barley wheat so um there it's it's

02:31:56.460 not i mean generally people take it as a leafy or i mean a pine grove or a fir uh forest

02:32:04.060 um but i always thought it was kind of interesting that there may be a barley

02:32:08.140 field and that to me too is again another connection to the holy fray and fray faxie

02:32:15.740 and the barley and the wheat all right so i know we only have a couple more passages we will

02:32:24.220 definitely finish this tonight no worries um but i want to mention this and i wanted to mention

02:32:30.780 mention it earlier and it uh evaded me um

02:32:41.180 trying to think of the best way to approach this because it's a real i guess

02:32:50.060 macro theme here

02:32:54.460 very

02:33:00.780 Kingship to our ancestors, certainly in the Norse period and the Anglo-Saxon period, very much was related, like your legitimacy as a ruler was related to the fertility of the fields during your reign.

02:33:27.660 And kings would be deposed and ritually sacrificed if, you know, all of a sudden they become king and the gods show their disfavor by famine and, you know, low crop yields during your reign.

02:33:45.780 And the idea, very, very specifically, and we have stories of this in the lore, I think in the Gesta Denorum, I think also in some of the other sagas, the idea that the Swedes, who particularly venerated Freyre,

02:34:07.900 there was a a whole mythology built around the king's ability to provide a bountiful yield

02:34:17.840 so if the earth was unyielding and the crops were not bountiful

02:34:23.280 that was a curse from the gods and a rejection of a king and of a of a royal house

02:34:34.300 um a specific story fails me now and if i would have thought about it earlier i would

02:34:42.280 have googled it on the side so i looked like a boss on it but um

02:34:47.200 but okay swan's gonna know what i'm talking about the idea that king

02:34:52.500 was good at it he passed the fields were crap and then they put offerings into his borrow

02:35:00.040 into his mound in order to receive his good good luck his you know i when i phrase it his like 0.70

02:35:11.640 fertility of the fields luck would be extended to the kingdom after his passing all of these things

02:35:19.160 are extremely relevant to kingship and they're also extremely connected to fray and the line of

02:35:26.580 The Englands who are descended of Frey or trace their royal lineage and legitimacy to Lord Frey.

02:35:33.780 So the idea of him taming the unyielding and, you know, earth that does not want to be fruitful to him has a lot of deeper meanings in our mythos in other ways.

02:35:50.260 This story portrays it poetically and in a really understandable way, but it applies in a deeper way to other sagas and other materials that we'll go over at a later time.

02:36:07.740 The idea that he has the ability through his regnum, through his manservant, through his power to compel the earth to, without trying to be vulgar, to open her loins to him, to produce, that means a lot.

02:36:35.180 And it's got much, much deeper meanings.

02:36:38.500 Can I get it?

02:36:39.240 Can I get it?

02:36:41.560 I'd love you to sleep in the morning.

02:36:44.140 Okay, sleep good.

02:36:45.380 Dad, what are you doing?

02:36:47.540 Oh, I got the, I'm sorry, I got the AI camera on that follows me around.

02:36:51.800 I forgot I didn't lock it.

02:36:54.300 Auto traverse.

02:36:55.120 well and one of the things worth noting is the word delight that he uses

02:37:05.180 is the word gamans which means joy um and he says you know well she grant me joy and

02:37:12.140 again i think it's you know uh splitting splitting hairs if you will um

02:37:20.120 but yeah he he does that's the ultimate macro that you're speaking of is this is about the plow

02:37:29.480 and the earth this is about the ray of light and the the the thawing of the icy ground this is the

02:37:37.900 part where we've got three kids right i got i got three points to prove it oh no um the

02:37:48.780 the idea of this again is emphasized um

02:37:56.380 as um there now becomes um an oust veneer the word oust veneer means a beloved one

02:38:06.380 we have a list in the guild beginning clearly of the our senior and these are the goddesses that

02:38:12.900 are prayed to or seen as with equal power um in the sense that they hold a great amount of

02:38:19.800 influence within the folk and within society but there are other goddesses or our senior i guess

02:38:26.100 or they're kind of in a gray zone and it's not often spoken about some of them are very familiar

02:38:31.920 If we were to speak of, say, Idun or Idun or Iduna, that would come to most people's minds.

02:38:39.940 Or Sif, that would also.

02:38:43.240 But she is never listed in the Al-Senor list.

02:38:46.760 So with the hierarchy kind of nomenclature that we use, the most respectful, because again, I don't like using the word like troll wife or giant wife or Jotun bride,

02:38:59.160 side because it just kind of alludes to this false narrative of like there's they're separated by 0.96

02:39:05.880 something like a race as a race um it makes them

02:39:13.080 it makes them ugly or hideous or monstrous and there are trolls and yoknar that are spoken about 0.99

02:39:24.360 and the lord that have all these different heads and eyes and are gross and are obviously disgusting 0.96

02:39:31.800 but there are other you know giants and giantesses that are beautiful and um it's not a 0.58

02:39:44.200 again this is all self-contained amongst our race and our racial gods and our racial mythos

02:39:53.720 our gods don't we don't have lore of our gods interacting with

02:40:02.200 asian gods or african gods or other this is self-contained in our soul

02:40:10.200 our soul complex and our cosmology that relates to us specifically and our gods

02:40:16.920 um we don't have reason to believe that the yotnar are relevant to other races of people

02:40:26.620 they're relevant to us and our existence so these aren't like different races of gods that is a

02:40:35.320 modern woke nonsense that folks try to push um and it

02:40:45.560 one thing that's really important in our mythos is beauty and the

02:40:55.240 devolving of beauty into something gross and ugly when it's bad good and virtuous things

02:41:02.920 poetically are described beautifully because

02:41:12.200 and this is i i hope i explain this in a way that makes sense

02:41:21.080 we talk about our woed self or i guess our owned self in a way

02:41:27.000 Our higher self, the true vision of who we are, expresses our hymenia, our spiritual

02:41:40.240 might, the entirety of our person and is not an image of any infirmity we might have or

02:41:55.580 withering of age so nobility and strength of character and worth are seen by our gods and by

02:42:07.580 our woe self as beautiful but even if there's a 10 but they're terrible and they're horrible people

02:42:19.980 and they have no value and they have no soul and they're out there

02:42:27.900 committing vile deeds they may be super hot by whatever our lower vision is

02:42:38.620 by an evolved spiritual vision their woed self is ugly it's hideous and so when we read our lore

02:42:47.500 Or beauty equates to a spiritual value, whereas ugliness equates to a poverty of spiritual values, if that makes sense. 0.99

02:43:09.980 So some of these, these yotnesses are, are beautiful and amazing and are welcomed by our gods as brides. Whereas others that are malevolent and evil intended and chaotic and bad are described as, you know, these hideous, you know, hags that do, you know, that are the stuff of nightmares. 0.96

02:43:33.600 and that differentiation kind of helps you plot where because as i said earlier the term

02:43:40.400 yoknar applies to a wide spectrum of creatures so that gives you the idea of what's bad versus

02:43:46.880 what's not so bad i don't think that was nearly as clear as i wanted it to be but i hope it helps

02:43:55.680 move in the right direction. I could not hear you, Svon.

02:44:08.980 Oh, sorry. I muted it so that I didn't pop a can while you were talking. A lot of, you

02:44:16.480 know, the addition or understanding of the oust veneer, the beloved ones, you know, looking

02:44:22.160 at the gilfaginning and seeing the ausenir list seeing um you know friga and freya and the maidens

02:44:31.000 of fensaler and then the divine feminine beings that are outside of that are generally listed

02:44:37.620 as the ausvenir we don't really go into say perhaps where they might come from there's still

02:44:42.500 mystery on that uh lore based wise but the general idea for the for the folks listening is that an

02:44:48.780 Ostevanir is brought into the fold because they align themselves with the gods. They align

02:44:53.960 themselves with order, and they are not the Vanir. Some people project perhaps mostly Jotun,

02:45:05.200 but also Alvar, especially with Lady Ethan. But the idea is that they become beloved ones because

02:45:13.020 they join with a line and contribute to the overall the siding with order as opposed to the

02:45:20.900 dissipation and um that's where we find like grither the mother of of vidar and we find

02:45:28.800 render the mother of ali and idun um and so on so that the those nomenclatures are a little bit

02:45:37.880 different than I think any of the lore that some people have been pushing out elsewhere about the

02:45:43.160 religion. Swan, you are the only person that I hear talking about Thor's whooping stick he had

02:45:48.440 before the, uh, before Mjolnir. Yeah. Gríðr. Gríðrvór. The, the, the stick, the, the stick of

02:45:57.260 aggression. The iron rod of aggression. Yes. Given to him by Gríðr before she had, uh, become the

02:46:06.640 mother of Vidar, she gave Thor the staff in order to rise up the ground above him so that he could 1.00

02:46:14.800 shield himself from the onslaught of Thurses and Jotuns. So she helped him, and thus started the 1.00

02:46:21.940 relationship of aligning with the gods. And of course, she's kind of always seen as the

02:46:28.280 the the um dominion of of earthquakes and tectonicness and i know that a lot of people

02:46:36.760 will say well like no the whole thing with loki and the kettle groves and that's what makes all the

02:46:42.360 the um earthquakes and what have you i think that grither is seen as the kind of the

02:46:48.200 the sister of yarder yarder is the giving earth grither is the the venomous the the one with the

02:46:55.960 geysers and sulfuric acid and the crushing of the earthquakes and flames and lava if you will so

02:47:04.840 uh that's interesting too especially in relation to like thunderstorms and and eruptions but

02:47:10.760 that's a whole nother thing um so um we get a brief take us home we're almost there so then

02:47:21.800 skirner rides home frey stood without and spoke to him and asked for tidings

02:47:31.880 41. tell me skirner ere thou take off the saddle or fairest forth a step so tell me before you

02:47:40.760 even get out of the saddle or before you even place a foot on the ground what hast thou done

02:47:46.920 in the giant's dwelling to make glad thee or me so what have you done in that place the the the

02:47:54.120 jotun's hall that would make you and me finally happy and skinner speaks he says body there is

02:48:04.120 a body b-a-r-r-i there is which we both know well a forest fair and still and it's worth noting that

02:48:12.600 the word that they use in the old norse is he says he says body height there but the word lunder

02:48:18.440 lunder means a copse of trees uh kind of a a gathering of trees perhaps in a in a place

02:48:26.120 surrounded by um you know not forest like flatlands and i often wonder now look looking at this because

02:48:34.360 i didn't think about it until tonight is like what if it is a copse of trees in the center of a marley

02:48:39.880 field but um i don't know i'm sure i'm grasping on that one but we're just kind of imagining

02:48:46.040 so i know because i put it out there i looked it up just to check myself

02:48:49.880 i hesitated earlier he who hesitates is lost i'll take that um hello hey hey frayer

02:48:59.720 is hello my name is frayer in old norse i checked it just to make sure that's legit

02:49:07.560 it's progress i should have just said it when i thought it but i didn't yeah that's me yeg is i

02:49:15.000 hate the is your title and it's it's the same as when we speak of uh lord odin's heighties

02:49:21.480 um it's his you know my title is the trick with old norse and other languages that i run into

02:49:29.160 is the declinations i can get the basic root words put together but the idea of how they work

02:49:35.960 in conjunction due to tense and what they apply to that's something i'm working on i say this

02:49:42.600 as a slight plug to hey if you guys are interested memorize uh there is a user created course on

02:49:52.760 old norse which is really cool i'm enjoying it a lot so far um and i'm also taking icelandic

02:50:00.440 because the two work in conjunction with one another it is believed that modern icelanders

02:50:07.560 could speak with you know vikings they would sound old-timey but you would understand it's

02:50:15.320 like charles dickens you know could talk to you and you'd understand what he was saying

02:50:19.960 it would just sound antiquated um so yeah i would invite you guys to get on that um

02:50:28.760 Be part of the struggle right now.

02:50:33.340 It is me and this dude, Alex Payne, duking it out for the top spot on the week's leaderboard on Old Norse.

02:50:42.000 So, yeah, come throw your hat in the ring.

02:50:45.520 Yeah, I need the name of that exact course because I looked for you on there.

02:50:48.520 I couldn't figure out how to like it.

02:50:50.560 You're the one who sent me the link to the course.

02:50:53.400 You are the genesis of this.

02:50:55.380 I apologize for the biblical reference.

02:50:57.300 It's what we got.

02:51:01.560 You were the plus bow of this course.

02:51:06.460 And I wonder, because I have a large list of courses,

02:51:08.820 and I might have went and, like, oh, start with this one.

02:51:13.020 You popped on there for a day.

02:51:14.620 I saw you on there for a second.

02:51:16.500 Oh, okay, so that is.

02:51:18.160 I'm on the right one then.

02:51:20.100 All right, I'm coming.

02:51:22.000 I'm going to get there.

02:51:23.300 All right, somebody's got to let Alex know.

02:51:27.300 And so then at the last stanza, stanza 43, there is this kind of, I really, really like this stanza because it basically just says, how can we, you know, how can we meet in nine nights when one night is torture?

02:51:48.640 when one night is is um it's so it's so kind of like ending on the the overly emotional note and

02:51:58.380 i could i just feel that the the poem really takes that turn um and expresses it well because

02:52:04.280 phrases uh in 43 long is one night and longer are two how then i shall even bear three often to me

02:52:13.100 has a month seemed less than how half a night of desire so he's just he's he leads with kind of

02:52:21.580 like a looking off and going like how am i gonna even make it you know to this time um

02:52:28.460 when he's been so lovestruck and it's also worth noting that and they don't speak about it in the

02:52:35.480 poem is that the Holy Fray sits on the battle shelf of Lord Odin, where no one's supposed to

02:52:48.800 sit. And what he attains from that is, again, he becomes inflicted by his awareness of all things,

02:52:59.700 And in particular, when he sees Gerther. So it's just kind of an interesting thing. And it kind of alludes to perhaps the equating amongst our ancestors where the holy fray was certainly a part of the tripartite and was utilized quite often.

02:53:24.080 And I think that when people talk about, oh, there's a cult of Lord Odin and Tyr and how they kind of usurped each other.

02:53:32.380 But I think there's more of a case to say that the stance of worship towards Lord Tyr in our folk was supplanted by the worship of the Holy Frey.

02:53:48.280 And especially with that, like you had mentioned, with the Swedes and a lot of the Baltic faith there.

02:53:56.860 But I digress.

02:53:59.940 He says he can't bear it, and that's how he ends it.

02:54:04.380 And there's no more to be spoken of, except for alluding later on that he loses his sword because of all of this.

02:54:11.540 Most likely, again, a bride price.

02:54:13.440 So, it's, again, and I've heard the degenerate team try to make this into something it's not.

02:54:34.020 But we see it differently in different cultural expressions over time.

02:54:48.680 And I see this, and I'll answer our questions tonight out of order.

02:54:54.340 So producer Nick threw in, is this the real way to woo and win a woman?

02:55:01.920 Yeah, kind of.

02:55:04.020 So, it depends on the circumstance, but showing yourself to be potent and capable and demonstrating your worth and, to a degree, the lengths you are willing to go to win her love is.

02:55:34.500 threats of violence or you know may every dude you get with be hideous and may you

02:55:40.820 you know have longing and you know all these maybe not in our cultural expression but the idea of

02:55:50.340 proving yourself is timeless and is valuable and it takes a different shape in different times in

02:56:00.500 different cultural situations but you see this a lot and there's a fundamental truth there on proving

02:56:10.500 that you're willing to fight for her and that's a common term and it means different things

02:56:20.500 sometimes and it seems concerning to us in our current context you know the idea of

02:56:28.660 raiding and taking women off as captives but your desire to put your life on the line to win the

02:56:37.620 prize of this woman means something yeah obviously in 2024 that means something really different

02:56:46.020 but your ability to commit and put the things that you value in the balance in order to

02:56:55.460 to make the union that matters it's a demonstration of commitment and that's one of the big

02:57:07.620 the big truths that I think this really does display to sacrifice those things to be willing

02:57:18.080 to give up your magical sword that fights on its own and all of these things, that shows that you

02:57:26.000 are committed. It's not frivolous. It's not on a whim. You are committed to this pursuit.

02:57:36.600 The commitment matters. So often what we see in modern situations amongst both men and women,

02:57:44.620 but particularly amongst men is a lack of wanting to commit to something and to really

02:57:54.860 put themselves at risk and open themselves to um

02:58:01.260 incur a cost to pursue something that they value uh you know why buy the cow when you

02:58:08.860 get the milk for free is the old adage and there's some value to that so i mean sending your man

02:58:18.700 servant to to threaten people with curses and terrible things and with magic spells is probably

02:58:26.460 not gonna gonna get you the ladies i think that showing that you are completely committed to this

02:58:35.580 cause and you'll do whatever it takes to to win the win the heart of the the woman that you seek

02:58:43.980 i think that matters a lot and i think those things are kind of antiquated

02:58:50.940 but sometimes if you do them with confidence and you pursue them

02:58:58.300 i think that has a value and a pull that otherwise it might not and again i'm a dude sitting here

02:59:04.940 talking to you maybe you want to ask some some ladies that question and they might put it in 0.80

02:59:10.140 different terms that are more useful um it's

02:59:25.500 well it's hard to equate but so when uh when i met mandy

02:59:29.500 i was you know i lived halfway or halfway around the world might be an overstatement i said i live

02:59:39.660 in alaska and she lived in florida and in order to make that work and to win her i was like you

02:59:48.060 know what cool i'm packing up i'm divesting of everything i own up here in alaska i'm packing

02:59:54.940 up my life and i'm going to move across the country we're going to see what happens

02:59:59.900 and i left everything i knew and i moved to a humid festering swamp that is florida and i uh

03:00:13.420 i took that leap to do it and you know we're about to celebrate our seventh anniversary and

03:00:22.060 we have a beautiful daughter and amazing life together and showing your ability to

03:00:29.100 really go all in on something that you care about i do think that matters

03:00:37.420 if that addresses your question i hope it does so we got a few other questions tonight we've

03:00:42.540 answered some of them we don't have an abundance and honestly it's getting late so that's probably

03:00:49.420 good um see where we're at

03:00:57.260 wow an entire poem finished in one episode we can do it it happens every now and again

03:01:02.220 yeah it's no guarantee there's no guarantee past performance is not a guarantee of future uh

03:01:09.980 future things but we did it we did it with far through this mal

03:01:16.460 so keep this in mind not only did we do it in one episode but i i blabbed on for a long time

03:01:26.780 about a lot of different things so we were able to do it with a lot of time to spare

03:01:33.500 um honest and so okay jokingly yeah we just go where the conversation takes us and it does and

03:01:42.060 it's fun very importantly and spiritually these things spark um points of connectivity

03:01:54.060 that as priests of the isir swan and i notice that we really want to impart to you guys so

03:02:00.780 inside baseball on some of this you may have noticed there is not a library of books written

03:02:06.940 by myself i can't do that i can do this though what i can do is when conversationally

03:02:16.540 talk a lot about this that is that i've devoted my life to and i believe in exchange for that

03:02:24.780 devotion that i've been blessed greatly by the iser and i've been given a lot of gifts in my

03:02:34.780 life and some of that is insight into these things and so when the opportunity presents itself

03:02:43.100 with a point or a way that something's phrased or a question this is my chance to get

03:02:52.140 that out there and to share that with the folk in the way that i feel best suited to and i feel

03:02:58.940 like i know how to do and so some of that you know sometimes i'll go on for forever sometimes

03:03:08.140 fun will and i'll take a break and go put my daughter to bed and do other things

03:03:13.340 and come back and he's still going and didn't miss a beat that's happened i promise you i have

03:03:19.980 paused and muted i've gone use the restroom put my daughter to bed gone got something to eat come

03:03:25.980 back didn't miss a beat because he's on and i love that you'll hear um

03:03:34.140 a few episodes ago with me and spawn i hardly said anything i was sitting listening to spawn

03:03:40.940 in his glory just do his thing a lot of us do that you may not know but on our gothar calls

03:03:45.980 we do that a lot um because it's really special to just i think the kids use the term sit under

03:03:54.620 his learning tree sometimes and so when something strikes us either of us kind of go off on these

03:04:02.940 things and i hope you guys find them at least entertaining and at best useful in some way

03:04:12.300 we sure enjoy doing them and i appreciate you guys as an audience

03:04:16.140 so looking over on the side trying to see where we're at on a couple of questions here are you

03:04:28.440 all right Matt now this was asked way back when when I showed up 20 minutes late to my own show

03:04:34.560 I am and I apologize for my tardiness tardiness like I said so

03:04:39.600 so i work from home doing afa things and my wife gets off

03:04:46.260 at three which is about three hours before this broadcast comes on

03:04:51.820 takes about a half hour ish to get 20 minutes half hour to get home 0.99

03:04:55.860 and then we got to sort out my daughter's nonsense because she runs in the room and 1.00

03:05:02.000 she needs a hundred percent attention of her mom when her mom gets home so whenever we get that

03:05:08.380 sorted then i try to run to the gym at the gym usually i can get it done and i can just beat

03:05:15.980 rush hour to get home and get on here on time but what happened today was some complications came up

03:05:24.620 in your top district as happens uh there was recently some tornadoes through there and so i

03:05:30.620 was kind of helping some people arrange some logistics which pushed a couple of things back

03:05:37.020 i got about three exercises i'm going to do tomorrow to make up for what i didn't do today

03:05:42.700 but it meant by the time i got back on the road i hit the traffic the other thing that happened

03:05:48.300 besides the traffic was some kind of horrendous accident on i-80 that meant everybody else was

03:05:56.620 going on the back roads that i usually get me home quickest so a couple of things conspired to

03:06:04.060 thwart me being here on time luckily we have wit and spawn here taking over and doing an amazing

03:06:10.460 job of it but yes i'm all right um you know what i'm doing extra all right again from the good

03:06:19.580 people at costco and the people that claim they are the copper can but make their can out of

03:06:24.300 aluminum and not copper they could color it orange to pretend but they didn't um anyways delicious

03:06:32.780 moscow mules don't support the communism but do support the moscow mule

03:06:41.100 that said no honestly they really aren't good i was kind of surprised by that

03:06:47.340 um something else this seems like a random side note but i think it's worth mentioning because

03:06:55.100 it's good and i encourage you guys to get it also at costco they've got real good brand chicken

03:07:02.460 strips they taste awesome if you cook them in the air fryer they're just like chicken strips they're

03:07:10.860 amazing but the macros are super good and super friendly to anything healthy you're trying to do

03:07:17.820 and if you get that with some ebbingd gentleman named hughes makes sugar-free sauces but his

03:07:27.340 ketchup his barbecue sauce or i would recommend his honey mustard that and those real good chicken

03:07:33.740 strips you can eat something extremely delicious that really does fit your macros and is super

03:07:41.740 healthy honestly it's the best of both worlds it's if you're a person who likes to eat and

03:07:48.300 doesn't want to deprive yourself and be super strict that's become mandy and my's go-to and

03:07:53.420 a lot of stuff and it's it's really good this is completely random to throw in on this episode

03:08:00.060 but trust me give it a try you will thank me i promise um tons of costco plugs tonight you know

03:08:09.980 they provide me with fine products also their pizza the pizza's like ten dollars you can get

03:08:15.340 an extra large pepperoni pizza does not fit any of the macros i just talked about completely

03:08:21.180 going off the reservation it's a huge pizza it's delicious for ten dollars though so i digress

03:08:29.340 as you might have noticed something that i've been thinking about this from the wolf throne

03:08:34.300 if ragnarok has already happened is happening and will happen then does ragnarok even have

03:08:40.620 any significance swan what say you yes i think that when you're looking at that

03:08:51.180 as um you know basically what your question is kind of coming off as is if mythic time cannot

03:08:58.320 be confined or constrained or um does it lose its relative sense like uh again it's the concept

03:09:08.180 a friend for everyone is a friend to no one so if it's in an all times then does it have

03:09:12.420 any significance i think that the yes it does because anybody who hasn't experienced it or

03:09:22.700 hasn't experienced the great kind of breaking apart of things um it's important and will be

03:09:29.720 vitally important to everyone who experiences it but the idea again of is those who well

03:09:36.240 experienced those who have experienced its value is eternal it's a perennial truth that's what

03:09:45.980 makes it eternal or makes it again in the in has happened is happening and will happen is the

03:09:54.080 perennial truth but the experience of it is what will make it absolutely and vitally important

03:10:03.960 It's just, again, if you prepare for something in the future by seeing its worth now and seeing the worth of that which was experienced before, you become part of and interconnected into the entirety of that cycle, if you will.

03:10:22.460 So does it matter? Does it even matter?

03:10:29.920 Yes, absolutely it does.

03:10:31.800 how it matters is a little bit trickier to define so some things are a matter of perspective

03:10:44.240 does it matter to you as and again i don't i could look it up or whatever i don't know how old you are

03:10:52.320 But as a normal young adult person in Midgard, does the big cosmic Ragnarok matter to you?

03:11:03.940 Maybe not.

03:11:06.160 Once you transcend beyond the veil, does it matter?

03:11:10.180 Absolutely.

03:11:11.660 If you ascend to the halls of the gods, does it matter?

03:11:15.460 Definitely.

03:11:16.740 In fact, that's spoken about in our lore.

03:11:18.900 However, what I think does matter in a lot of ways is the idea of as above, so below.

03:11:29.420 There are perennial truths to these cycles that we experience in different forms and different ways in our lives, I think.

03:11:38.820 And this seems hippy-dippy and nonsense and whatever, but to relate something large to something small doesn't necessarily trivialize it.

03:12:04.120 to relate a small experience that we experience as humans to something grand

03:12:13.180 isn't necessarily inappropriate as long as our mind is in the right place and piety is in our

03:12:21.520 heart. And this may not seem connected, but it really is. And I hope this makes sense to folks

03:12:29.880 listening, when I talk to our Gothar, and those who may be

03:12:38.280 listening, the Gothar are our priests, I think externally

03:12:45.600 when people get involved, and this is changing, but when I

03:12:49.340 got involved, certainly, people thought it was about, you

03:12:53.500 know, basically being a master of ceremonies for big religious

03:12:57.300 events i mean i'd say it's four fifths if not more counseling and dealing with people on personal

03:13:13.140 spiritual needs much more than it is leading bloats and i mean i i love to lead a bloat i

03:13:21.120 love to stand before our gods and help connect our folk to our gods i try really hard at that

03:13:29.360 there's many times i felt successful at i felt very successful at it i hope i do well at it

03:13:36.640 much more of my time as a priest has been spent counseling and helping people in their lives

03:13:42.800 So I say that to say this, you've got to reset your expectations depending on who you speak to.

03:13:54.560 If you speak to a veteran who has witnessed people that were their brothers that meant the world to them die in horrific ways on foreign soil.

03:14:08.800 and you might have had to do tremendously awful things

03:14:17.360 depending on the circumstance to make it through and to keep you and your guys you know victorious

03:14:25.280 and healthy what you consider a really bad day is going to look really really different than when

03:14:36.980 deal with a kid that hasn't experienced any of that i mean shoot maybe there are a young kid in

03:14:45.620 college same age you know you got a veteran over here that's watched you know 10 of his squatties

03:14:53.700 die of whatever on foreign soil with whatever survivor guilt they might have whatever they're

03:15:02.740 dealing with and then you've got this kid over here that hasn't seen anything but his dog died

03:15:14.180 even if that's the context maybe that's the worst day he has ever had

03:15:21.540 so it is as significant to him as this greater tragedy is to another man with another life and

03:15:33.840 another experience everyone's got a different point of where that is if we're respectful and

03:15:42.540 self-aware and when the two meet on the street dude whose dog dies realized his is nowhere near

03:15:49.260 this other man he's talking to but the veteran realizes his is nowhere near

03:15:58.020 the all fathers of the death of his son and the imposition of Ragnarok

03:16:05.860 all of those things are important all of those things are a tragedy in their own right in their

03:16:11.240 own context if you're self-aware and you understand that then they have value in each of those

03:16:19.160 circumstance there are little ragnarok's all the time there are historic ragnarok's all the time

03:16:30.200 there are bigger cultural ragnarok's throughout history then there is the epic ragnarok of divinity

03:16:41.240 And their existence does not negate or lessen any of the other, but it does teach us a lesson of cyclical rebirth and cataclysm and building up strength for those situations.

03:17:02.200 And the existence of one or another at different time and different place doesn't negate any of the others.

03:17:09.540 They can all exist in our multiverse simultaneously or at dissimilar times and still each be relevant and valuable.

03:17:23.620 And if that sounds like a bunch of nonsense, I get it and I don't fault you.

03:17:29.220 I hope it makes some kind of sense. 0.98

03:17:31.640 If it doesn't make sense, that's my fault and not the ICers. 0.99

03:17:35.720 But I hope that it does make a little bit of sense here and there.

03:17:39.540 Swan, you may have something to add on this that helps clarify it.

03:17:43.540 Yeah, I think that understanding the Ragnarok in a chronological sense would be, yes, that we are coming to an unending, but that that unending is the perennial truth that we can experience many times over.

03:18:00.540 It is, again, not confined by time.

03:18:03.540 So that's why it's in the present.

03:18:05.540 It's in the past because it is that internal and that, that happens throughout all of it. Um, you know, a foreigner, a foreign element, an outsider turning a blind brother's hand against his other brother. That's, uh, that's a perennial truth of that story. Um, there is many, uh, again, the sacrifices that you have to make in order to gain, you know, knowledge that the, the cunning you might have to

03:18:35.520 use all of these truths are kind of outside of the chronological view of the mythos and i think

03:18:45.520 that's what is ultimately being missed it's not it's um that's what we're referring to when it's

03:18:52.880 in the future it's in the present it's in the past um that makes that eternal sense and again

03:18:59.280 it's if you're looking at it like well i need to know like the timing of when these things

03:19:04.560 and i was speaking of it too you know is this before balder's death is this after

03:19:09.280 balder's death we're speaking about that in a uh in the chronological sense to make sense of the of

03:19:17.280 the mythos to kind of delve into uh where this might be perceived but that's that's where it

03:19:24.720 stays outside of that there that the time is and i don't think it's inappropriate to view it as a

03:19:34.240 motif to put other things in context of um spawn and i were both recently working on a document

03:19:46.000 to where we were likening or i was likening um

03:19:52.480 the

03:19:55.760 in 0.98

03:19:56.000 I don't want to put it, the breaking of our ancestors' troth with the Iser and the imposition of Christianity to that Ragnarok and the reforging of Alcetru in last century as the rebirth and as when, you know, the waters receded and the sons and daughters of the gods took their 0.85

03:20:26.000 holy seats and Leif and Leithersir emerged from Yggdrasil onto the earth reborn and picked up the 0.93

03:20:35.720 pieces of the the chess table of the gods were was restored I think seeing it in those terms

03:20:44.140 is healthy and it may not be the Ragnarok but perhaps it is a Ragnarok and and I think there's

03:20:52.600 truth to be found there um next question uh also from wolf throne and we'll throw you ask really

03:21:03.320 good questions you were on here every week and you ask a lot of questions and they have value

03:21:11.960 and i appreciate that and i want you to know we appreciate you being being a fan or at the very

03:21:18.040 least a lawyer a loyal uh participant in the program and you've added a lot to it your questions

03:21:24.760 have spawned at this point hours and hours of content that have benefited hundreds of people

03:21:31.880 easily is norse shamanism legit and what does it have to do with fausa true

03:21:48.040 So what Norse shamanism are you talking about?

03:21:52.780 And that is the, as with so many of our answers, they are less satisfying than they could be because to borrow from the Christian lexicon, the devil is in the details.

03:22:10.540 Sure, absolutely, in a way, Odin winning the runes is Norse shamanism.

03:22:18.040 There is shamanic practice of people within Ausatru going on spiritual journeys beyond the veil and bringing back insight into the world.

03:22:34.360 That's absolutely legit. It happens. It's a thing.

03:22:39.020 Lots and lots of people that pretend they are shamans are not and are lunatics. 0.73

03:22:45.100 lots and lots of people that want to sell themselves to you as shaman

03:22:50.920 don't want to go through the process of becoming a go-fi or

03:22:56.840 being trained in a legitimate way but claim that as a shortcut and spew nonsense at you

03:23:07.540 so the trick is being able to figure out who to trust and not to trust is it a thing absolutely

03:23:18.520 it's a thing it is a it is a human truth that there are people that are able to transcend

03:23:26.900 and beyond the veil have insight into other forms of existence

03:23:36.000 and bring that insight back and inform the people that they trust

03:23:41.720 with the knowledge that they've gained.

03:23:45.460 There are also a whole lot of people that just make stuff up 0.95

03:23:49.860 and are lunatics that say that. 0.92

03:23:51.800 the the discernment is the trick spawn let's say you 0.90

03:23:59.160 i would say there's uh two camps there's the camp of shamanism as a uh whole um whether it's

03:24:12.680 from south you know south america um africa asia doesn't really matter where

03:24:18.600 they kind of apply these thoughts and these things towards what they would kind of they throw a

03:24:28.520 what is it a norse veneer a viking veneer they can slap a coat of paint to make it look

03:24:36.660 in such a way but when we look at that you have to be weary of but when you look at other groups

03:24:43.540 that say perhaps look at the salmi people and the siberians and um also the lore i mean there is a

03:24:54.340 sense of lore in like eric saga where we see um a safe corner um you know go through a process in

03:25:03.540 order to you know receive um an understanding of what's happening those that's how we can tell

03:25:11.460 there is some connectivity there we can see the processes but again if you look deep enough it

03:25:17.780 starts to get pretty wild and very very unique to the salmi or unique to the siberians and

03:25:24.100 we have lost a great amount so we're only working with what i would call like the foundational

03:25:29.460 concepts of it and that we could perhaps reinvigorate with these foundational concepts

03:25:37.540 and elevate a new um connection to the gods in this way but you know we really i think some folks

03:25:46.680 have gotten it and again you got to be careful because some folks are they claim it and they

03:25:51.160 are out of their minds um so yeah yeah again you have to be careful but the legitimacy of it

03:25:59.140 is that the processes that we see the reason why say there as a practice especially in context of

03:26:08.420 of eric saga and what we're we're seeing there is absolutely mirroring traditions elsewhere

03:26:18.020 and this is spoken of in an island in the middle of the atlantic so um

03:26:22.660 Um, we, you know, we have this kind of ability to see these connections.

03:26:28.320 Um, I would say, and we've spoken about this too, Al-Shera Gauthier and me, if you have

03:26:35.380 a blueprint of a chair and you have missing pieces, you can look at other blueprints to

03:26:40.980 overlay them, to fill in some of the gaps, but it takes work, it takes time, and it

03:26:45.820 ultimately, it takes, um, results.

03:26:48.860 Here's the thing though.

03:26:49.940 it takes honesty. Truth is one of our noble virtues. I get that in order to get extremists

03:27:08.420 to buy into things, sometimes it is useful to paint something with a Viking coat of paint.

03:27:16.960 I will admit I've used the expression to my own ends because it's valuable.

03:27:24.540 But what I haven't ever done and I won't do is lie to you guys about it.

03:27:29.640 So the challenge is to take things that we know are true and to put them into a context that is relevant to us.

03:27:39.500 So to ask some of these questions, there are a couple of questions.

03:27:44.740 is it a valid way to interact with beings beyond the veil is one question is it something that

03:27:56.500 our ancestral practice serves of also true did and are we doing it the same way is a very different

03:28:06.100 question that's not either of those things aren't wrong if you answer them honestly

03:28:16.820 do we know so when we think of shamans we very often think of um

03:28:22.980 native american shamans or siberian and sami shamans is that what our ancestors did

03:28:36.180 no not with the same bells and whistles

03:28:39.280 we see odin's winning of the runes as a example of shamanism

03:28:49.820 In a way, we see Sather as a shamanic practice.

03:28:58.360 In some ways, mound setting is a shamanic practice.

03:29:04.780 The use of hallucinogenics, as is proposed to the Berserker ganger, borders on a shamanic practice.

03:29:17.000 So there were ways that our ancestors did it.

03:29:19.760 Do we know how to do it the exact same way?

03:29:21.900 Absolutely not.

03:29:24.080 Do well-meaning people who want to try to experiment with that

03:29:29.100 take cues from other cultures' ways of doing this thing

03:29:32.780 that seems to work across humanity?

03:29:35.820 Yes.

03:29:37.340 And there's nothing wrong with that, if you're honest.

03:29:41.420 We do that a lot.

03:29:42.920 So I run into this.

03:29:43.820 This might seem a strange tangent, too, but I think it's valuable.

03:29:50.180 So at Thorshoff, we have these jiu-jitsu moots where folk builder Bobby Shotwell gets together and tries to teach people.

03:29:59.380 You know, it's very Japanese martial art.

03:30:02.080 I do Danzanryu jiu-jitsu myself.

03:30:06.440 Super excited about it.

03:30:07.960 Love it.

03:30:10.340 Trying to get my black belt at it.

03:30:12.340 Working on it.

03:30:13.080 i got the the brown with no stripes so my next step is black belt if i can earn it and make it

03:30:19.160 worthy so i'm trying to um is it a norse fighting style absolutely not and i'm honest about that 0.98

03:30:30.040 i'm not pretending it is we don't have something equivalent and getting your butt kicked is not an

03:30:38.520 options so figuring out effective ways to do things is valuable interacting beyond the veil 0.75

03:30:47.480 by ordeal or putting yourself in a near-death situation that's real it works it does things

03:31:01.480 re-engineering a way that is authentic to our folk soul and the best way for us to do it

03:31:08.520 absolutely valuable attempt to do that is it okay to learn from what other people have used

03:31:17.040 certainly it is just be honest don't claim that some witch in a cave in Norway told you how to do

03:31:26.220 it just be honest just be honest and I think that's really important is that authentic authenticity

03:31:34.680 so we know that's a thing and one of the things everything else aside if we start fresh because

03:31:40.600 one of my core beliefs that i believe if we had amnesia and we woke up on a different planet

03:31:50.120 wherever we could recreate alsatru our stories would be different we would be at a horrible

03:31:58.040 disadvantage but our connection with our gods exists through our very being through our blood

03:32:03.880 in our bones we would be able to re-establish that and it would probably look really different

03:32:11.240 in some ways and probably surprisingly similar in a lot of ways and i and i mean that and i believe

03:32:19.720 it so starting fresh if we knew nothing else happened near-death experiences happen and are real

03:32:27.480 when people not through shamanic practice but through accident or infirmity or calamity

03:32:36.400 literally die and are brought back they bring with them sometimes knowledge of

03:32:45.180 things beyond the veil that knowledge is valuable and useful to us

03:32:52.140 there are other ways to penetrate it but that is real how do we access it how do we learn from it

03:33:01.580 that's a question we're still working on the best way to develop it

03:33:06.300 but it's absolutely a legitimate thing finding the best tools for it isn't and it leads to the

03:33:13.440 next question, which I think is interesting. Is necromancy possible in Ausitru?

03:33:25.880 What does that mean to you? If getting wisdom from the dead through mound sitting or interacting

03:33:41.480 with haints or whatever you're doing yes i think that's a thing is reanimating your

03:33:53.560 skeleton zombie army to do what you want to do a thing

03:34:02.280 so out of piety i am not going to tell you that that is not possible in also true

03:34:07.800 i'm going to tell you it is exponentially unlikely

03:34:13.520 and if you are a mighty enough vicky that you can make this occur please let me know at your

03:34:22.860 earliest convenience i have lots of questions and uh i i treat it silly but i don't mean to

03:34:32.080 that the point is important do i think that's a thing no but intellectually

03:34:41.280 i do not want to put limits on the metaphysical possibilities of our religion and our faith

03:34:51.360 if our lore talks about odin singing songs to the hangman to get him to rise and speak to him

03:34:58.080 i accept that as truth as a possibility do i think i can go out and do that no but maybe

03:35:06.720 one day if i was good enough perhaps and that little sliver of keeping my mind and my heart

03:35:16.560 open to it i think that's important even if it's just an intellectual exercise

03:35:23.760 as an off as an offering and as an expression of piety i hold open the possibility if that makes

03:35:32.880 sense so swan what say you necromancy is it a possible thing and how's it true uh i kind of

03:35:41.880 went in a different rate i think that the only if you're talking about communing with the dead

03:35:50.280 the only communing with the dead that's present within ausa true the faith is ancestral worship

03:35:59.480 and that that communication might bring forth different ways in which they're attained some

03:36:05.920 people believe that they hold conversation or or give worth to their ancestors and then receive

03:36:12.740 um message through dreams or what have you of course anybody up from the semitic faiths would

03:36:19.320 say that anything outside of supplication and and maintaining the covenant with their their yahweh

03:36:27.320 that's evil those are that's that's not the dead those are demons or what have you

03:36:34.120 um but in ausitru itself i would say that it only exists within the form of ancestor worship

03:36:43.320 but what i was here really said was as a vit excuse me as a vit as a practitioner of perhaps

03:36:51.720 um i don't know esoteric knowledges that are beyond just the establishment of um faith and

03:36:59.640 piety in relationship to the gods and to your ancestors uh that's where i kind of agree again

03:37:05.080 with as i i'm open to the possibility but i don't see the likeliness of it you know and this is a

03:37:13.320 As a point of connectivity, a cross bounds of just people of faith versus atheists,

03:37:26.280 Jesus says, if you have the faith the size of mustard seed, you can move mountains.

03:37:35.280 As a person of faith, I don't preclude the miraculous.

03:37:43.320 to shut our minds and our hearts to the miraculous cuts us off from something really beautiful

03:37:54.280 as an academic thing to conceive of it in one way

03:37:59.960 maybe if i'm spiritual enough i can go to the graveyard and raise up some zombies 0.98

03:38:04.920 that sounds silly and ludicrous on the face of it obviously 0.75

03:38:09.080 but holding you know putting a stop in the door and not closing the door on it 0.81

03:38:17.960 keeps my mind open to a lot of other possibilities and that's what's really

03:38:26.540 important do I think it will display in you know my zombie army probably not

03:38:32.960 And woe to some of you if I get my zombie army, but assuming that I don't, a lot of other things.

03:38:46.620 um one of the biggest things

03:38:51.100 sometimes thoughts occur to me in ways that may not translate to the broadcast and apologize if

03:39:03.000 that's the case but I hope it makes sense there is kind of a broad meme or

03:39:16.500 understanding out there that like animals and children maybe even people

03:39:25.560 with disabilities like blind people or deaf people people with different

03:39:30.300 sensory issues are open to stuff that the rest of us aren't

03:39:40.060 people with second sight that see ghosts and other things

03:39:46.220 will note that children see things that the rest of us don't sometimes

03:39:51.660 that animals react to things that sometimes the rest of us don't they perceive the world in a

03:39:58.540 different way and they have not intellectually excluded possibilities that most of us as grown

03:40:06.780 adults in the western world have written off and we've specialized our perception in a very specific

03:40:17.260 set of ways. This sounds way more lunatic fringe than I want it to, but I do think there is truth

03:40:29.600 in here and it is my job as the all's here to go for you to speak truth. When you leave the door

03:40:39.300 open and you don't shut off possibilities you're capable of conceiving of the world in a way that

03:40:49.940 allows for input beyond what most people may accept and i think there's a value to that

03:41:02.580 never undiscriminately but just holding up the you know keeping the door cracked to where

03:41:14.340 yeah but maybe yeah but maybe if you were because here's the thing you draw it back

03:41:21.700 well maybe if you were that spiritual and that awesome and that amazing maybe you could raise

03:41:28.740 your skeleton zombie army well that's silly but is it silly that you could sit on the mound and 0.93

03:41:38.500 maybe commune with an ancestor it's less silly is it silly that maybe in your dreams 0.98

03:41:49.140 one of your forefathers could speak to you and give you insight into something important

03:41:55.060 well hey that's less silly I think we all maybe that's a thing you know maybe if you're in a

03:42:03.540 graveyard and you experience something odd well maybe that's one of the dead reaching beyond the

03:42:11.560 veil and interacting with you in a way hey you know maybe that could happen all right

03:42:16.740 the more you dial it back the more real it gets

03:42:23.040 but it all comes from leaving that door open and not just dismissing it out of hand

03:42:29.160 and I think there's a value to that I am not a necromancer

03:42:34.480 I promise you that my grandmother died in 2001

03:42:41.600 and that I gave her a hug in in 2016 I promise you that happened with everything I know to be real

03:42:57.920 it's not the same but it results from having that little bit of opening to where things are possible

03:43:05.180 um this one's for you Svon you may have answered this before but do you know where

03:43:16.100 but I don't know where slash when do you have an idea of who foal is in the Merceberg John

03:43:24.980 is that spelled p-h-o-l that's it is in the german i may be pronouncing it wrong

03:43:35.300 yeah so uh that's an interesting subject that's an interesting question uh i will say

03:43:44.260 on the right out of the gate, the wondering about whether that is, uh, the holy fray or

03:43:54.880 tear has been brought up as a divine, uh, being, I would lend that etymologically, it might be

03:44:04.160 more, uh, lending towards the holy fray as like the, the fruitful one, the full one,

03:44:12.800 um but there's been talk about how the h was added and that it might have been pole

03:44:19.480 as well and that i think is where the the tear argument comes since uh lord tear is associated

03:44:27.120 with the pole star um i don't know and then there's another theory that people say no it's the

03:44:35.180 it's the it's another name for balder or it's a name for the horse but that doesn't i don't

03:44:42.460 really abide by that one i don't think it makes much sense um and especially since they

03:44:47.260 refer to uh lord balder later on in the in the charm so i don't know um again this applies to

03:44:57.100 with um uh i believe it's sin good sin good or sing good or sing good um is mentioned as being

03:45:11.820 the sister of suna and she is also in there and they there's not an understanding as to

03:45:17.740 who she may be or that if these are continental titles that we are only familiar with in the

03:45:23.820 nordic sense so if full could be the fruitful one like frothy we've seen that happen with um

03:45:33.020 with uh the holy fray that there's other titles used to describe him as you know the the fruitful

03:45:42.620 one the giving one and throw thee is one of them that really kind of uh stands out um

03:45:52.060 i would think that would have the most likeliness but no one's 100 sure

03:45:56.700 yeah i don't i got nothing on this honestly merceberg charms are not my

03:46:08.480 not my strong suit i think that is at a late period and not very well understood as it is

03:46:17.940 i appreciate ryan orion uh reiterating woe to my foes if i'm able to raise my zombie army

03:46:30.720 heed the read it's thing beware working on it um

03:46:37.880 so the next one uh michael from yordsov what is the afa stance on young men being bloodied

03:46:49.960 in battle in today's world that meaning fisticuffs but some form of battle for honor

03:46:58.680 spawn what are your thoughts that's an interesting way of poising the question what is the stance

03:47:06.040 i mean i think that every young man and i don't know i'm not speaking as the stance of

03:47:15.040 of the church i think it's just that it's important that men um when they're young

03:47:21.560 well because again it's it is there a an official stance to be taken i mean if i'm speaking about

03:47:30.460 the good things that i think uh men need to have versus like a religious

03:47:37.580 tenant um there i don't think there isn't you got one of these rings that means you speak for

03:47:44.540 the afa fair for fair i think i mean i would just i would say that i think that there there isn't

03:47:51.420 necessarily a church stance but speaking from and with my experience and giving that as uh speaking

03:48:02.940 of authority from from the church i would say that it's important that men especially when they are

03:48:07.580 young they rough play they they rough house they you know get into skirmishes they get into fights

03:48:15.260 they they mitigate their emotions they work through things but as they grow older that also

03:48:22.380 needs to happen and more often than not nowadays you you might find it but it's usually can be very

03:48:28.540 detrimental um you know in schools and so finding a controlled way of getting bloodied and and being

03:48:38.540 excuse me being tested is very very important um one of the proudest moments of me being a father

03:48:47.260 was my son experiencing um in in in ground fighting he was experiencing um uh the first

03:48:56.300 time he felt powerless and he didn't know how to handle that and he he he was uh you know he was

03:49:06.460 crying he didn't know what to do and then later on he he ended up facing that same person going

03:49:13.180 through that figuring his way out he overcame that challenge and didn't um you know he did he

03:49:20.700 gained access through his paralysis um and you know he needed that i think we all kind of need

03:49:29.420 that a lot of people do talk about being able to throw a punch but very few people uh understand

03:49:34.940 what it's like to take a punch so you know getting that experience and being bloodied

03:49:41.420 testing yourself i think it's important it's just a matter in which way

03:49:47.020 um we do it nowadays but i definitely think it's it's necessary

03:49:58.780 so

03:49:59.020 So, AFA's stance on it, we don't really have a culture that has the same mythos as reinforcing it, like, every year we have a raiding season we can send young men on, and, you know, that be their initiation into manhood is that first conflict.

03:50:27.120 but it's really important and I think first I don't think every man knows that

03:50:34.720 if you have never been in a fight and you are a grown man

03:50:41.760 you feel somewhere like you wish you did you wish you could and there's a part of you that

03:50:50.100 doesn't know how you measure up every one of us can trace who has been in a fight can trace back

03:50:58.600 that first moment or that first really feeling of that some of us with something silly and

03:51:10.160 inconsequential some of us with on battlefields where life and death is involved in a really

03:51:19.080 different way but that's absolutely a thing that is inherent to masculinity and i would encourage

03:51:33.240 every young man to get that figured out now there are ways to do that i'm not just saying go out

03:51:39.880 and like find somebody and pick a fight with them um i think encouraging folks to get involved in

03:51:46.840 combat sports and ways to where you can do that in an environment where you're least likely to get

03:51:57.240 permanently damaged or to permanently damage somewhere someone else that's valuable

03:52:04.840 i'll tell you this i was and i've said this a million times on here but i'll say it a million

03:52:10.760 more if need be it was important to me um i was a nerd in high school i never did anything i wasn't

03:52:18.440 part of sport i wasn't in any fights can't get any fights if you're just hanging out in mom's 0.65

03:52:23.000 basement or with your like lame ass friends in their basement um it's not really a thing

03:52:29.880 but i reached a point in my life after i graduated where i decided you know kind of 0.84

03:52:34.680 who i wanted to be versus who i was i started working out i took a fight on a dare at thursday

03:52:46.440 night fights you know local kind of tough man boxing thing and then i also because i wanted to

03:52:54.520 test my mettle and see who i was i picked the roughest bar in town and decided to bounce there

03:52:59.000 because i knew i was going to get into some stuff you guys have heard a lot of my bouncing stories

03:53:04.920 you will hear more taught me so much about who i was about other people about conflict resolution

03:53:15.400 about how to work within a team because we have 13 guys that were bouncing sometimes there were

03:53:22.200 guys watching my back sometimes it was my job to watch theirs it was in a spot where we were

03:53:27.320 wearing kevlar and there was gunplay in the parking lot knives and models and craziness and

03:53:36.360 fighting samoans and all variety of earth fauna and uh

03:53:46.600 learned a lot of things tell you this i learned a lot more from the times

03:53:50.600 i came up short than from the times i was on top

03:53:53.640 um the first foray into it was thursday night at the fight so i was one of those guys that when i

03:54:03.720 would sit and i'd watch like usc or at the time like pride and i'd watch stuff and i always had

03:54:09.640 big opinions about when somebody should tap out and what's going on you know he's weak you should

03:54:16.200 stand up and i you should i had all kind of opinions i all the opinions you could ever ask

03:54:22.600 for but they were based on nothing um so one morning i can still remember exactly where i was

03:54:30.920 one morning and it was like it was like 5 30 or 6. i was sound asleep i got a call from my buddy

03:54:38.520 and he was uh he was the producer of local anchorage at the time like local morning show

03:54:47.720 that was a big deal bob and mark show um a shout out to bob lester and mark calavecchio you guys

03:54:57.720 are cool guys uh miss you guys hope you guys are doing good i haven't talked to those guys in a

03:55:03.000 really long time but anyways they were the show in the anchorage market and he was producing and

03:55:10.520 like woke me up out of dead sleep but all of a sudden i'm like groggy and i'm on the radio in

03:55:15.240 in front of all of my hometown, and Matt, we challenge you to Thursday Night at the Fights.

03:55:21.820 Will you box at Thursday Night at the Fights?

03:55:24.600 So this was Tuesday of the same week of Thursday Night at the Fights.

03:55:34.920 It's like Tuesday.

03:55:36.660 Called me up.

03:55:37.740 Never boxed.

03:55:38.660 I've never been to a fight.

03:55:39.800 I don't know what I'm doing.

03:55:40.780 I got no training on anything.

03:55:43.100 but hey we challenge you are you gonna move up to the challenge and because he was my friend he

03:55:48.460 was pushing me hard on it and i think i probably spoke some expletives that i ought not on the

03:55:54.980 radio i think they had a dump button so i think it was all right and i was like a variety of

03:56:02.160 things i shouldn't say i'll fight you there's enough fights i'm there hung up the phone so i

03:56:07.840 committed to this thing all right cool so then i show up the next day at these weigh-ins

03:56:15.520 at this uh local mexican restaurant i show up these were weigh-ins cool they have this other

03:56:23.040 you know nobody who's never been in a fight dude that they got he's gonna be my opponent

03:56:29.680 it's all good we match up okay on paper cool hey you and me buddy all right i'll see you tomorrow

03:56:35.200 you and me let's go but no being a uh

03:56:44.960 humorous morning show they just started to uh switch it up on me a little switcheroo

03:56:53.360 so i show up this guy's sick but wait there's a substitution 0.93

03:57:00.080 they get this like half black half samoan tatted up from head to toe looks like he's been fighting 0.75

03:57:12.860 his entire life dude that outweighed me by a hundred pounds chip green um

03:57:22.700 so he's my opponent man so i okay so it was three one minute rounds sounds like nothing

03:57:35.000 um i'm not awesome i'm not telling you that i am it's three one minute rounds

03:57:42.140 never in my life did i think three one minute rounds could be so exhausting

03:57:48.020 halfway through round one i could not keep my hands up to protect my face like i couldn't lift

03:57:58.400 my arms i was so concerned with trying to protect my face i would have promised you i'd sworn on

03:58:05.580 anything this guy did not touch my body because i was so concerned about this huge guy hitting me

03:58:13.000 in the face next day my ribs were black up and down each side black up to that point i had never

03:58:23.240 bruised black i've been blue my fatty pieces may have been green and yellow never seen black until

03:58:34.200 that day um but like i said couldn't keep those hands up that long

03:58:43.000 This giant man hit me in the face so many times.

03:58:50.180 I'd never been hit in the face before.

03:58:53.620 There is nobody out there who would hit me in the face harder than we had.

03:58:58.240 I don't remember, but they were, you know, whatever, probably 14 ounce, 16 ounce gloves or whatever. 1.00

03:59:05.300 But this huge Samoan dude punched me in the face and I'd never been in a fight. 0.99

03:59:09.080 He put me down a lot. 1.00

03:59:13.000 But each time, it got back up to my feet.

03:59:18.780 It became embarrassing after the first round.

03:59:21.480 The ref tried to stop it on three different occasions that I remember.

03:59:26.660 But I got up to the standing 10 count, and I said, let's go every single time.

03:59:31.840 So he couldn't.

03:59:34.920 I went the distance.

03:59:37.180 I think I connected with Chip Green a couple of few times.

03:59:42.800 but it was it was him hitting me and me hitting the mat me trying to get back up

03:59:51.200 but i ended round three on my feet and it taught me so much about myself he demolished he beat me

04:00:01.520 so bad it was on the local news i didn't tell my mom because i didn't want her to worry about stuff

04:00:08.080 but when it was on the local news her friends told her and then she was all concerned the next day

04:00:18.240 he beat me so bad and it was one of the happiest days of my life if that means anything to you guys

04:00:31.200 there's nobody out there that is going to hit me harder

04:00:34.160 and i learned what it felt like to take a punch

04:00:40.280 it's not cool but it's not the end of the world

04:00:46.940 i learned what adrenaline in fight time felt like because everything slows down and it's real

04:00:55.040 different i learned what it took and i learned how to overcome when everything told me to like

04:01:05.040 stay down and when i was offered outs and not taking them i learned a lot of stuff and he was

04:01:13.360 so anyways they had a follow-up the next over the next week of whatever he was a real cool guy

04:01:20.160 real nice guy afterwards he even pretended like i stumbled him a couple of times with my punches

04:01:27.440 i don't think that's true i can't punch worth a damn i never could i'm not a good striker um

04:01:35.600 but i learned so much about myself i wouldn't trade it for anything in the world

04:01:41.280 i am so thankful right now if you are listening you're probably not chip green

04:01:46.880 but thank you sir i appreciate it for the lessons um no it really taught me so much about myself

04:01:55.680 so i don't want anybody getting hurt certainly don't want anybody doing anything illegal but

04:02:01.840 find a legal way to do that and feel what it's like if you're a man because

04:02:06.720 if you don't you will regret not doing so

04:02:09.360 um probably more answer than it needed but that's uh the lesson i learned doing that

04:02:19.120 don't know if i technically bled or not but um bled under the skin as the black ribs would indicate

04:02:32.000 i'm gonna try to see where we're at on the questions here he's on the last one

04:02:39.360 oh are we

04:02:46.320 we are all right one quick question for witness fawn

04:02:52.960 can we study the rig veda i see a lot of folkish ideals

04:03:01.680 uh yeah i think um i mean yes

04:03:07.120 uh i think everyone that's that has an interest in arian or indo-european um lore it would serve

04:03:19.200 them very well to take a look at it i i i think it would be important there's a lot of things that

04:03:25.840 you can gain from this especially um you know what what i would call like the obligation of prayer

04:03:35.520 the obligation of worship to the gods seeking their favor um these are things in the that

04:03:42.960 are discussed in the rigveda that i think are really cool um it also is the kind of the

04:03:49.440 the starting point of where i first saw the tripartite as a thing with um indra agni and um

04:04:00.720 vishnu i believe and that's where it started to kind of suddenly all fall into place so

04:04:06.800 yeah i think it's worth looking into because there's a lot of insight that you could gain

04:04:10.960 it's helped me gain some insight uh in um my faith as well so yeah 100 can you study the rig veda

04:04:23.280 yes you can you are encouraged are we going to do episodes of it on victory never sleeps

04:04:30.720 we'd wanted to devote like three years to doing the rigveda every week perhaps um

04:04:41.840 everything spawn said i think there's a lot of value to it i think one of the other big values

04:04:46.320 to it is the idea of doing one's duty regardless of circumstance or outcome but reconciling yourself

04:04:56.560 to do your duty uh come what may i think that's a really important lesson from it

04:05:04.160 it's hard to immerse yourself in because at least for me because the

04:05:13.200 points of reference are not common to me the imagery and the all of the context is very very

04:05:24.080 foreign to something that I'm used to and have an immediate point of reference to that it's very

04:05:31.140 difficult. I do think there's a lot of value there. I do think it is a divine text and I am

04:05:39.680 all for anyone delving into that deeply. I think it's tremendously valuable.

04:05:46.520 it would be unlikely for us to do a Victory Never Sleeps episode

04:05:52.840 doing a deep dive on it

04:05:56.500 because like I mentioned

04:05:57.580 it will be 100 episodes or so

04:06:01.860 it's a very lengthy and in-depth text

04:06:06.240 that will require a lot of context

04:06:12.040 that I don't think most of us come to the table with

04:06:16.040 But I do think it's really valuable, and I encourage you to do that.

04:06:24.100 Over in the chat, I just see kind of a note that many Indra hymns could be used as inspirations for Thor prayers.

04:06:36.900 Absolutely, and they have been.

04:06:42.980 I don't want to mess up his Sanskrit name.

04:06:46.040 acharya ji of the international dharma society created some thor prayers based on indra prayers

04:06:55.640 for mantras for us a number of years ago and i think those are really cool and beneficial in a

04:07:03.880 lot of ways and so it's absolutely something that can be done and i think there's value to it

04:07:09.080 But there's also a lot of just beauty and rhythm to it as mantras.

04:07:14.380 And I've used those over the years.

04:07:20.400 Sifan, do you have any parting words for folks this evening?

04:07:26.340 No, I mean, we're so we're going to are we doing another leap and then going into the next.

04:07:35.340 So not next Wednesday, but the Wednesday following.

04:07:39.800 as far as for uh the next um

04:07:45.160 text that we're going into yeah we're going to figure out something cool to do next week

04:07:52.520 got a couple of things out on that trying to figure it out but uh two weeks from today we're

04:07:58.120 going to do the harbarth slude yeah this is a good one that's a good one it definitely is

04:08:05.640 and i look forward to talking with you about it thank you guys so much for joining us this evening

04:08:11.720 for your questions your participation and your patience with me being 20 minutes late

04:08:16.840 to my show tonight i apologize for that i try not to make it a habit thank you guys so much as always

04:08:25.400 let me cut in real quick the outro video will say we're doing skirt of small part two we're

04:08:31.240 not doing scared of small part two don't lie to the folks nick hey virtues i'm done i'm not i'm

04:08:41.240 i'm telling the truth right here i didn't have a second video prepared so you're getting the

04:08:45.480 video for part two just ignore that i would be a little i'd be a little uh nervous too after the

04:08:53.320 volus all right so don't don't mind the fake news we will see you guys uh i will certainly see you

04:09:02.600 next time and spawn and i will be back to do more deep dive into our lore in two weeks

04:09:09.880 uh till then hail the ice here help folk hail the afa remember victory never sleeps good night

04:09:19.960 everyone

04:09:49.960 We'll be right back.

04:10:19.960 Thank you.

04:10:49.960 We'll be right back.

04:11:19.960 We'll be right back.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - May 16, 2024

5⧸15⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 97 - Skírnismál

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