Asatru Folk Assembly - 5⧸17⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 45 - Death

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00:03:00.000 Hello and welcome back to another

00:03:30.640 exciting edition of victory never sleeps we are joined once again by witness fawn harrell

00:03:38.400 to uh share his wisdom with us and tonight we're going to talk about very important topic a topic

00:03:46.960 a lot of folks think on have questions on and wonder about but not always the most

00:03:55.040 pleasant topic to consider but an important one nonetheless and that topic is death

00:04:03.440 tonight um you know it's fair game anything kind of surrounding that

00:04:09.600 death the process of death itself the afterlife um

00:04:16.880 things of that nature and it's intentional that this follows right after our conversation or

00:04:23.680 responding to my conversation on the soul complex because that's very relevant to this whole subject

00:04:33.680 before we get started a week and a half from today we will be celebrating

00:04:41.200 the third annual lc fest in wisconsin if you can make that please you know you won't you won't

00:04:48.800 regret it is a absolutely fantastic event hosted by james and sarah alt they do an amazing job they

00:04:59.920 have been fortunate enough to have gone every year so far they run a really nice event um

00:05:07.520 looking forward to any of you guys that want to be there please reach out to your folk builder and

00:05:11.600 we can get you get you vetted and taken care of if you're a member no need just get a ticket and get

00:05:18.160 get there but like i said about a week and a half in wisconsin we'd love to see you guys there

00:05:25.840 coming up next month we're having midsummer at odenshoff in brownsville california

00:05:34.800 so that is typically our biggest event of the year it's our longest running national or regional

00:05:42.960 event it uh it's got a long and storied history it's certainly the first afa event i ever went to

00:05:51.040 i'll also be at that looking forward to see folks there um it's a it's a fantastic weekend

00:05:56.880 at a beautiful place at the first half of the austral folk assembly so if you're interested

00:06:01.920 in coming to midsummer in brownsville california at odenshof please reach out to your folk builder

00:06:08.720 like i said we can get you vouched for and taken care of um trying to think any other development

00:06:19.440 since last time we uh last time we spoke and i don't don't think there are any off the top of

00:06:28.240 my head what i would like to do um start at the top of the program here is if you are joining us

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00:08:09.120 start off if you want to participate in our super chat if you want to you know do the super chat

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00:08:25.200 in i think right now the most applicable that that'll go towards unless otherwise specified

00:08:30.880 is towards paying off new york's hof paying off new york's hof is our first step to moving towards

00:08:38.240 phrasehoff and getting that happening those of you who may not know phrasehoff is going to be the

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00:08:51.040 eastern ohio but we're looking forward to that as soon as we can and the first step in getting that

00:08:56.320 is paying off our previous off new york's off and that's our half in white springs florida

00:09:02.960 and

00:09:08.000 notice them on the side always at the top of the show we have ronald

00:09:12.400 ronald blake throwing 50 to help uh one of our families who are who's in need right now thank

00:09:18.160 you so much for that uh ronald i apologize for dyslexifying your name a while ago it wasn't on

00:09:24.720 purpose i appreciate seeing you here every week in your generous heart if your contributions

00:09:29.600 really do make a difference we appreciate you you are leading the way and setting a fine example of

00:09:34.000 that um so it's fun tell us about death where's a good spot to uh to talk um yeah where's a

00:09:49.440 you know what i'm gonna throw a curveball let's start the program talking about birth

00:09:57.200 if we're going to talk about death let's start by how does a person's personhood occur and how

00:10:06.000 do the parts of the soul affix to a person at birth and during the formative period of their

00:10:12.480 early childhood spawn can you take us through that process yeah they're uh first and foremost

00:10:20.880 i'm just checking to make sure everything's okay i tried to get onto a new uh camera and it didn't

00:10:25.440 didn't work so now i'm back onto the old junker um hopefully no echoes or anything are going on

00:10:33.120 um the uh the biggest thing that i i think that we conceptualize uh life first then then death

00:10:44.800 and i think it's really important and like you you're you're throwing the curveball at me which

00:10:49.120 is fine that's cool because we we've had long discussions about this but yeah the the encapsulation

00:10:55.040 of the soul entering into the leak is a process that happens over a series of of of events and

00:11:04.880 time in which um you know biologically as the the body is getting ready and and then eventually the

00:11:12.480 the mind and all of these things are encapsulated in a potential state so the the the the huer the

00:11:18.880 mini the ek all of those things are in a potential and and kind of proto-state as the as the baby is

00:11:26.640 is being formulated um and those will develop over time in their proto-state but the biggest thing is

00:11:34.000 these parts are entering into the body as they go and it all culminates to one final and ritualistic

00:11:43.120 act that that we we uh partake in as the as the church is the name fascinating the name fascinating

00:11:49.760 i think would be uh the the time in which the link between all of those soul components and the body

00:11:56.480 are now entering into the uh orlog uh sphere uh that encapsulates both the the folk and the

00:12:06.880 ancestors and the gods and it signifies the starting of all of these things so

00:12:14.320 the name fastening is hugely important uh culturally traditionally and even metaphysically

00:12:21.280 as a anchoring point in which we now state the uh the entirety of the child is here the

00:12:28.880 entirety of the child is accepted and the entirety of the child is there's folk that are responsible

00:12:35.040 and it is the the final point in which we announce they have been received we are thankful

00:12:42.860 and we will continue on forward with the new member of our community so the name fastening

00:12:49.720 is definitely one that uh comes out for that so one thing and i promise we

00:13:00.520 me and Svon are game to go as long as we need to. So I promise we will thoroughly cover death.

00:13:07.500 But this part I do think is important. So the big theme that I want to start the show off with

00:13:14.760 is that a complete life or a complete soul is the culmination of a process, not an instant

00:13:27.320 wasn't then was there's a time period of the different pieces of that complex developing

00:13:35.780 and attaching themselves to that child and some of that occurs in utero some of that occurs

00:13:46.340 ideally that is cemented in in a strong and in a uh auspicious way in the baby naming that we

00:13:56.900 traditionally do at nine days old or thereabouts. One thing that I'm sure many of you all have

00:14:07.520 experienced this, and perhaps we have some of our people that haven't, but it was a really big deal

00:14:16.200 to me was watching watching the development of my daughter through conception to birth

00:14:27.640 um because mandy and i both had because mandy and i had our daughter later in life we were both 39

00:14:37.160 when we had aubrey uh and because mandy's got really good insurance she was classified as a

00:14:45.720 high-risk pregnancy just because she was outside of the age range she was older than than is typical

00:14:52.440 and what was cool about that was that it entitled us to a whole bunch more free regular ultrasounds

00:15:00.200 so and i don't know how this feels or how this looks from the woman's side but from a father's

00:15:07.720 side i have very very little check-in during that process i just got to sit there and hope

00:15:13.800 everything's going good and you know hope everything's all right and babies can be jerks

00:15:19.880 aubrey was a little jerk with this all the time every time she was moving when mandy'd let me

00:15:23.880 touch the belly and see is feel it nope then she'd be still then she'd hide so i didn't have

00:15:29.160 any way of checking on her during that it was really special when i'd be able to go in and

00:15:37.720 you can hear the heartbeat even at this little tiny stage you can hear a heartbeat of this child

00:15:44.440 and you watch and we joked we got picture on the fridge still of when she was this little manatee

00:15:49.400 because that's basically the shape of what she looked like on the ultrasound when she was you

00:15:53.640 know just barely visible on there was this little manatee creature and you watch as the different

00:16:02.200 parts of the leak form in utero and you start watching how there's intentional movements or

00:16:10.200 there's movement in response to the ultrasound or in response to you know mandy drinking some cold

00:16:16.760 water or in response to you know the the nurse trying to poke poke around and get the baby to

00:16:23.960 get in the right shape for the ultrasound you watch those kind of responses and that

00:16:30.280 you know most primitive layer of the the huger start to develop and you watch the different

00:16:36.920 pieces of that soul coming into coming into play um

00:16:45.400 it's our belief that when the child is born they have a lot of those things but not all of them

00:16:54.440 hymenia and philia and that concept of the woad self those other pieces

00:17:03.320 come into play, those more esoteric pieces, the mini, those things come into play at the naming

00:17:11.680 ceremony. When the naming ceremony is conducted, ideally by a Gophie, in a ritual way, in a ritual

00:17:22.000 context, it facilitates all of those things integrating in the right way in the right time

00:17:28.920 in the eyes of the gods, in the presence of the community and of the ancestors.

00:17:36.380 And from that day one, that baby is part of a collective whole. It's part of a group,

00:17:44.820 a minya. It's part of an ancestral line that it's fully accepted and integrated in.

00:17:51.460 and it starts off auspiciously in the AFA when we do a baby naming

00:17:58.520 we start the child off with with a rune pull for for gifts from our Nornir to bestow upon this

00:18:07.480 child to kind of direct them or guide them in a positive and an auspicious way to start them out

00:18:13.980 with a positive advantage that they wouldn't have otherwise and I know that raises some

00:18:20.400 interesting questions, because most of us didn't have a baby naming, at least not in that context.

00:18:26.780 Some of us may have had a christening or something that effect in a different religion

00:18:33.760 to do a similar function. So we have a certain amount of dysfunction and disconnect

00:18:41.380 that throughout the course of our lives, we repair those things. It's not,

00:18:46.640 we're not saying that if you didn't have a nine day old baby naming that you can never be a

00:18:55.460 complete soul but what we are saying is you won't you will never have the same advantages to start

00:19:01.760 out that you would if you did have that baby naming so that's always an advantage and you

00:19:07.700 know we always talk about how we want to start our kids off in life with the very best opportunities

00:19:12.660 And that's one thing that we can do as a church, as a folk to to start our children off with that, that positive momentum.

00:19:22.740 But, yeah, you watch that soul gain those pieces, gain different levels of consciousness.

00:19:30.240 The huger grow and become a full piece of that soul over time.

00:19:36.600 You get to see it when the baby opens their eyes.

00:19:38.940 And at first they can only see, you know, a couple inches in front of their face.

00:19:43.040 Then they can see a couple feet and eventually they see the they see the whole wide world and you see them light up.

00:19:49.280 And this may seem like a strange deviation on this conversation, but it's not.

00:19:54.640 Life is. Is a whole thing.

00:20:00.760 You can't properly talk about death unless you talk about birth or birth,

00:20:07.660 unless you talk about death and those things they're intimately connected and i think it's

00:20:13.900 fitting and important that on tombstones we put the uh the life rune at the beginning at

00:20:19.420 the birth date and then the death rune to to bookend that life as a complete unit here in in

00:20:26.140 midgard um so that's the bit about birth and the baby naming well i wanted to also point out too

00:20:35.100 what you had said about the life and death rune is it's an it's imperative for for folks to know

00:20:39.500 that life coming into the material into the middle into the uh the timer or the place that's weaving

00:20:47.660 uh weird in the material and what we would conceptualize as physical um that that coming

00:20:56.940 down from from the root from the uh the branches or coming down from the from the above from the

00:21:03.900 tree that life tree symbol is very important because it's it's talking about receiving from

00:21:11.740 above and the the the woman's body is in essence becomes a receptacle of a secondary soul that

00:21:20.380 needs time to grow and and be cared for and so those three components that show up first are

00:21:26.300 you know the body and the the hue or the mind starts to activate and the soul is there and the

00:21:32.940 sow is there to hold all the the kind of internal parts or the external parts are building and then

00:21:38.380 the rest of it is like again like seeds or a proto sense and it i've even heard of of women folk and

00:21:47.740 men folks seeing symbols or or uh imagery or things that kind of gravitate around the time

00:21:54.060 that they're having the child that would lead to possible symbology of of the philkia as if like

00:21:59.660 the the uh that communication level is happening outside but it's not quite attached to the baby

00:22:06.780 yet and the humming that's coming in is kind of the humming from the from the blood and from the

00:22:11.900 past but not quite the humming that's created by deed because the baby hasn't had a chance to so

00:22:18.620 those three i would say are that are the major the one that i've often pondered about is when does

00:22:23.260 ond become a a definitive part of the physical uh you know there's the spiritual awakening uh

00:22:32.700 in connection to the gods but some people have speculated it could be also to the moment that

00:22:38.060 they draw their first breath that the that the ond comes in then um i've heard two sides of

00:22:44.380 that argument where the ond is with the child before they they leave because the moment they're

00:22:49.340 actually um inundated by sound or vibration they are connected to the on and then others i've heard

00:22:56.940 say you know the first breath is as a time that the on enters in i i'm not a i don't really

00:23:06.460 speculate too hard on that except beyond i think vibration is more the one i lean towards but

00:23:12.860 i i can see the legitimacy of people wondering exactly when the the spark life and the

00:23:18.140 consciousness enters in to create that final development and then you know in the name

00:23:23.820 fastening when when the child is being anointed with the the runes they're also being spoken

00:23:30.220 over they're being spoken over by the goalie and they're being spoken over by the parents

00:23:34.460 and so this kind of i think moment could coalesce too as kind of like another development of the on

00:23:39.980 see when we and i think that we're limited in this discussion a little bit by vocabulary um

00:23:57.340 the the armed as a concept i think is further broken down into

00:24:04.140 three pieces. And we see that when Odin, Vili, and Vey bestow personhood on the driftwood they

00:24:16.240 find on the shore. Ond is a part of what they give, but they give Ond, Oðr, and Lall. And

00:24:25.120 while the other two of those, I believe, are given to that child when they're aware of sound,

00:24:33.220 when they get when they react to sensory things that owned that moment when they're born and

00:24:41.380 sometimes they have to be slapped on the butt or on the back to make that first cry and that gasp

00:24:46.340 of air it's always been very symbolic to me um of odin when he took up the runes when he hangs

00:24:55.460 himself from the tree and he approaches death and beyond the veil and he comes back he takes

00:25:01.540 up the rooms he takes them up roaring he takes them up with that that initial sound that breaks

00:25:07.700 the silence and so much of our lore is around creation coming from an outpouring of sound

00:25:21.620 oh then picking up the runes and roaring ymir the roar being that root of creation so that first

00:25:29.540 when that baby makes that first cry to me that's the the the point of coalescence where

00:25:37.540 that part of life is fully within that child at that point and then those other pieces that

00:25:43.380 affixed to it that are more and again language fails us i was going to say more external

00:25:50.340 they're external in the sense that they're not of the body but they're integral to the person so

00:25:57.300 they're not they're physically external perhaps but they're certainly not uh esoterically external

00:26:03.940 right almost like orbiting in in a pool there is a connection and that will eventually bring in

00:26:10.740 they they the argument of whether or not like all people have a fully developed field yeah i i think

00:26:16.180 that uh sometimes that pull is stronger for some than others but yes that that it's almost like

00:26:22.980 they're that orbiting essence of the soul can never escape from the core of it but comes in over time

00:26:31.700 or develops over time so we're 25 minutes in and we have not talked about death at all yet

00:26:38.020 um that's okay that's that's how we do this so it's fun could you walk us through

00:26:44.340 what happens as we approach death and as death sets in in reference to the soul complex

00:26:54.740 well you know uh i think the biggest thing that we we have to tackle is is death the usage of the

00:27:04.880 word death in context to our ancestors a lot of times the shrouded time the time of well oftentimes

00:27:12.520 what we we say through the veil uh and that those two things shroud and veil it i mean it's very much

00:27:18.600 the same thing but those those manifest in the name and in the word hell and hell means to shroud

00:27:27.160 and so when the shrouding time comes whatever it may be whether it's swift or whether it's over

00:27:34.840 time the the shrouding time falls over and the first thing that is to be you know is lost is the

00:27:43.160 leak the leak kind of uh is is relented from that and the ond or perhaps the ond is the met the the

00:27:53.320 uh the vehicle of everything else the soul and and all other things are is kind of released and

00:27:59.640 And from this point, we have the, you know, the active brain is gone, or the hue, the brain that processes information.

00:28:12.680 And now what remains is the ek and the mini and the on itself as like a vehicle, the sow, and all of these components begin to move forward or move onward.

00:28:27.100 um our ancestors said you know that they moved northward and downward um and they specifically

00:28:32.780 talked about a gravitational point uh nipas cave the the cave that sits on it's an outcropping on

00:28:40.040 top of a hill and what this is kind of seen as is this gravitational point of of the soul but is it

00:28:47.620 literal as as it is per se more the the natural flow of where all of that goes is it uh is it

00:28:57.620 escapable is it inescapable there again some souls remain or there there's the like we had this the

00:29:03.060 conversation last um uh vns about you know lost souls and and and so there is something there that

00:29:12.180 i you know i could speculate on obviously we you know we can't say with that that certainty level

00:29:19.860 of of what i like to believe that there are not souls but that mainly hammer stay and it does

00:29:25.060 seem to be that the hammer does stay or at least shards of its day in in uh times around the moment

00:29:32.100 when the soul is is being shrouded or being covered um but once we move beyond northward

00:29:41.860 downward and we do pass through this threshold the threshold of death is a long process that

00:29:49.120 doesn't necessarily equate to a like something of like an equated distance but is seen as an

00:29:56.220 encapsulation or a movement through threshold the soul moves out of the realm of the middle out of

00:30:03.160 the time realm out of the uh the realm of weird weaving in its material sense and moves into and

00:30:09.500 downward into a space that is beyond below or or outside of the reach of time and this is really

00:30:18.420 significant through the process of walking the road downward and over the bridge. And so the

00:30:27.340 first thing at Nipah's cave is, of course, Garmar. Garmar is the hound, the death hound. Culturally,

00:30:35.960 you know, the hell hound has been long before Christianity in Anglo-Saxon and in Teutonic

00:30:41.360 culture of the the sooty hound the black hound oftentimes death was personified like a grim

00:30:48.080 reaper in the form of a hound um and so again this is just more or less the inevitable that we all

00:30:54.960 must face whether it's it's not actively chasing you it's the the inevitable end is is we're

00:31:02.080 actually moving towards it even though it seems like it's coming for us uh again that's the dis

00:31:07.440 this the dislodgement of time everything everything comes at us when we think of our perspective in

00:31:13.600 time but in reality we are moving towards it um and and we are part of this cycle so once we pass

00:31:21.440 through and we enter there's a couple of things that can happen and just to kind of bear in mind

00:31:26.960 when the gods uh see us and witness us through the well of earth which is in heaven there is

00:31:34.320 the ability for them and your ancestors to in essence mark your soul to mark the philkia that

00:31:44.080 that then carries your your your tag if you will um as you pass through you could be marked by the

00:31:50.960 gods in great fame and in great glory or you could be marked in destitution and and and malice and

00:31:57.920 and uh or or a better word would be a to be neathed to be a completely against the that which

00:32:05.120 is good and right um and as you're marked as you come down and cross over these these the bridge

00:32:12.480 um you end up um engaging with another entity that again we we we call her moth good but what

00:32:21.600 mov good is a is a switch point this is the point in which already your ancestors know that you are

00:32:29.360 coming and the accumulation of your your orlog is with you your mark is with your filca and so

00:32:40.480 hell is concerned with her duty what they are doing is saying whether or not you're allowed

00:32:46.880 or admitted through mav good is the stopping point in which she has to shift if by chance the

00:32:54.720 soul is unwelcome by the protesters unwelcomed through the passage of death then you are

00:33:04.160 bisected off to a path that is much darker and and far worse and we'll go over that in a little

00:33:10.320 bit let's let's just put that on the side passing over the the wide bridge the bridge and passing

00:33:17.200 through the gates of hell hell the shrouded the veil the the um the wide gates that accept all

00:33:24.620 once you pass through this you are in essence entering into the the final stages of of death

00:33:33.920 itself. And the soul passes through this point. And what lies beyond Helgard is where the ancestors

00:33:42.480 are waiting. Hel, I think a lot of folks take Hel to, as she is some sort of adjudicant of the soul.

00:33:51.600 Some people go with that route. Some people like to say that the gods come down from heaven and

00:33:57.960 they kind of have this Egyptian style weighing of the soul judgment, which is not very, I mean,

00:34:03.640 that doesn't really exist in Arian branches. It's not an Arian structuring of understanding.

00:34:14.640 The gods seem to want to witness you as you live. And we see that in our vocabulary and in our

00:34:20.540 culture. We want the gods to witness us. We want the gods to witness our deeds. We know that the

00:34:25.160 gods meet out our doom. They look down upon us through earth's well, which is in heaven.

00:34:30.320 And it says in the Gilfaginning that they look down and they meet out those things.

00:34:34.820 They are part of the process of our living life.

00:34:38.780 But beyond that, that is when we enter into the realm of the ancestors.

00:34:44.440 And a lot of times, you know, this is when the collective, when I and you and all of us together are making our mark in weird.

00:34:54.760 if i am to pass beyond the veil then this is my time in which i now coalesce as an individual

00:35:02.060 back towards the collective of my ancestors so the gods are not at this process now and hell is

00:35:09.140 pulling drawing as she does when in the gilfaginning it says you know that she is given

00:35:15.140 domain on the edge of niflheim she is given this place this drawing power and she is given power

00:35:22.680 over all the nine worlds and what i think a lot of people convolute that as she's not gaining

00:35:27.880 dominion over all the nine worlds is that her power what she is resides there and it is expansive

00:35:35.960 through all the nine worlds all things must end and she is that drawing point and so when you pass

00:35:41.720 over the bridge and through the drawing point that's when you um you enter into your ancestral

00:35:48.440 folk soul and at that point things are are left along the way uh the philkia is gone the uh the

00:35:56.520 the hamania is brought in the south into the halls of the ancestors those collective deeds those

00:36:02.840 memories and even the ek the ego is still you know in presidence there um as as you move in so you

00:36:10.440 don't necessarily dissolve into some ether per se as is is more your memories and your and your ego

00:36:17.960 are so united at this point that they're brought in to offer back into the collective of of the

00:36:25.320 folk soul so all of this being a process is really important and we're limited in this whole

00:36:40.040 conversation our physical existence with our limited vocabulary we're explaining things far

00:36:53.480 beyond um the mundane language of man so it's really hard to make it all translate perfectly

00:37:03.640 the other thing that i'm throwing out there none of us know all of the answers to these questions

00:37:08.120 we have ideas we have things that we do know but the bigger answers or questions we'll find when

00:37:17.400 we're on the other side of that veil we just have glimpses um our mythos language gives us clues

00:37:25.400 yeah it gives us directions it gives us context but what's beyond the veil is an exciting adventure

00:37:35.320 and i think that there's so much there that uh none of us can even comprehend at this point

00:37:45.160 it is worth saying too that the snorty when he was writing down in his poetics he absolutely

00:37:51.400 added on a lot of his own conceptualizations from a religion that had been you know established

00:37:58.840 within the last 150 years at least um in iceland and so there is this poetic sense that i think

00:38:05.880 causes a lot of confusion for folks when we talk about death um but we can see it still

00:38:12.440 you know when we talk about the vipers and the venom and the slow moving shades of time that

00:38:18.120 again that separation from time the calamity of all the nine worlds resides in that drawing factor

00:38:24.520 like a magnet from hell that that that's what her power is and those takes symbology and the vipers

00:38:31.240 and the disease and the famine and all the things that plague the the folk as they it's that part

00:38:37.000 of that drawing process so there's coagulation at birth and there's dissolving at death to

00:38:47.320 to greater or lesser degrees. One thing that I think is, you

00:38:58.700 know, if you die, suddenly, then you have this whole soul

00:39:03.920 complex that all of a sudden starts from a zero point, and

00:39:12.400 works towards that process of shedding the things that shed and

00:39:20.400 of integrating the things that make it into the sow that then

00:39:26.400 pass on. But when you die of of disease, or of advanced age or

00:39:34.400 other things, then that process starts before actual death sets

00:39:39.400 and people who've experienced any of that process,

00:39:43.420 you've seen that with loved ones or whatever.

00:39:46.400 You can see some of that.

00:39:47.500 I've mentioned on the program before,

00:39:49.620 watching my mom's battle with Alzheimer's.

00:39:53.260 And I think that elderly people experience

00:39:55.480 a lot of these things,

00:39:57.060 even in small measure before they get there.

00:40:01.820 But the memory starts to leave them.

00:40:07.740 You know, Alzheimer's is particularly malicious because it rips that from these people and it's so fundamental towards who you are.

00:40:21.200 And you watch the humor or the, you know, ability to conceptualize day-to-day things and those thought things, you watch those, what we would consider mental faculties leave first.

00:40:37.420 you watch the leak not only does the leak die and and decay after death but you watch as advanced

00:40:46.540 age sets in your leak starts breaking down much much earlier than all of that you watch the age

00:40:54.460 set in the decay of the body as one gets in very advanced age so all of this is a process

00:41:00.460 the process of walking the hell road like svan was saying and your ancestors letting you in or not

00:41:09.820 it's funny because that

00:41:13.180 that happens in mythic time it happens outside of a linear time and it's not like that's one

00:41:23.100 stage of the death process is if this happens then this happens then this happens and that

00:41:27.900 happens. One of the things that has always been an observable phenomenon of people who've

00:41:33.760 experienced near death, very often they are met by their ancestors. Very often their loved ones,

00:41:43.560 specifically loved ones close to them, like grandparents or mothers or fathers or people

00:41:48.560 who've, you know, not their ancient ancestors, but their recent ancestors will be there to

00:41:54.980 witness their death and to welcome them. I don't know if that assume that happens to people who

00:42:01.080 are dirtbags. Maybe that only happens to people whose family, you know, want you.

00:42:09.220 But that's a very, very common thing that everyone sees. I say everyone that a lot of

00:42:16.280 people in those circumstances see is that welcoming presence of, you know, perhaps their,

00:42:22.920 their dc or their alfar um how that all fleshes out is a little bit different but their family

00:42:29.400 members who've already preceded them beyond the veil come to welcome them and help with that

00:42:34.440 process and that's so that's something we know to be true the specifics of all of it we we can

00:42:41.160 speculate on and make educated speculation but we do know to be true is your ancestors are concerned

00:42:45.960 with it and do make an appearance at that point and you can be accepted to sit at the benches

00:42:52.120 of your ancestors, or you can be rejected if you're, you know, not a good person.

00:43:01.240 But so we talked about that disintegration and breaking off of these different pieces

00:43:06.280 of the soul that aren't necessary for that next stage of the existence of that soul.

00:43:15.720 Pieces of that huger and that meanie. And Svon and I were talking about this the other day to

00:43:20.840 prep for this program um you can't lose all of that meaning because our ancestors look on after

00:43:28.760 death and love us and care about us that's the whole principle behind the dc is that they love

00:43:34.040 their families so much they look on you can't have that if you have no memory of these people

00:43:39.560 but there's elements of the meaning that aren't necessary and there's elements of the huger that

00:43:44.360 are no longer necessary so that which is necessary dissolves into that sow

00:43:49.560 or integrates into that and the parts that aren't you know leave and are absorbed back in that folk

00:43:57.960 soul um the idea of the folk soul is multifaceted it uh is the source of our connectivity through

00:44:09.560 our blood through our ancestry through our race that's that racial memory that we all have that

00:44:15.560 that we're part of. It's also a well of soul component and whatever we want to call that

00:44:22.600 magical material that makes us living souls. And it's a well of that, that's stored, that's

00:44:31.140 a, yeah, it's a storehouse of that potential magic that's put into each of us to make us souls.

00:44:41.500 and it's the accumulation of the knowledge the wisdom the hymenia the experience of our entire

00:44:48.560 race since the very beginning and it connects us with our ancestors into the most distant future

00:44:53.760 um but so when all these pieces disintegrate and go out there's the idea that the soul itself is

00:45:03.700 immortal and can't be destroyed. And I think that's true, but

00:45:10.640 perhaps misleading. We do believe that if you are a

00:45:14.560 particularly villainous, dirtbag, horrible person that is

00:45:19.180 of negative value, that the dissolving of your soul takes

00:45:27.160 your and I apologize for for stumbling over my words here, as

00:45:32.080 I said at the beginning, it's a hard thing to put words to the bigger esoteric concepts, but

00:45:40.480 the idea, the most advanced of us, the heroes, the maguses, the people who have found mastery over

00:45:52.140 their soul, maintain the most eyness, the most unified individuality when passing beyond that

00:46:03.960 veil. Those who are completely base and who behave like beasts and are without that inherent

00:46:13.540 nobility, they do have the possibility of being on the strand, on this beach where they're

00:46:20.280 they're dripped upon by venomous snakes the idea of that venom is a further dissolving of that

00:46:27.640 inus so your soul at that point all the

00:46:39.720 that special thing that makes you you from the sum of your parts gets dissolved and you are just

00:46:45.640 your component parts at that point those parts are reabsorbed into that folk soul for hopefully

00:46:51.000 better use in the future if you're found that wanting by our gods and our ancestors

00:46:57.720 what i think is really important that spawn mentions we absolutely believe in judgment

00:47:02.760 judgment is super important to us what we don't believe is that we can screw up our entire life

00:47:09.880 and then try to like make a race for the finish line at the end and see if we can do some big

00:47:14.840 thing that negates everything else yeah do that if you find yourself at the 11th hour and you've

00:47:21.800 been a dirt bag but the gods are watching you since you're born your ancestors are watching

00:47:26.840 you since you're born and they judge you along the way and they make decisions about you and they

00:47:31.640 gauge in the way your reputation that way your reputation are you worthy are you worthy of you

00:47:38.280 know just going back to your ancestors and then figuring that out later or are you a hero into

00:47:44.040 Do the gods want to welcome you to their halls and feast you at their tables with the rest of the heroes?

00:47:49.900 Do they want to make you an alphar or a desir?

00:47:53.660 Do they want to elevate you to something more than you were because you've earned that and been found worthy?

00:47:59.460 These are decisions based on your deeds throughout your life.

00:48:03.840 And your ancestors pay attention to you often.

00:48:06.600 But so much of what we do in a ritual context, we want to gain the positive attention of our gods.

00:48:14.040 Now, historically, in modern Alcetru, people have been scared of that.

00:48:20.880 You know, do I really want the gods to pay that close of attention to me or not?

00:48:24.880 And that's a tricky question. And I think if we're all honest, we have a little bit of, man, I don't know if I want, you know, especially with Odin.

00:48:33.600 People have talked about this. Do they want to gain the attention of the Allfather?

00:48:37.000 because our folk tradition says that he is a sterner judge than some of the other

00:48:45.280 the other gods and that he tests people and that he he looks on with a more critical eye than

00:48:52.760 perhaps some of the other gods if you want his attention like yeah you want to see him do you

00:48:59.120 want him to witness you doing great things and smart things and winning and victorious

00:49:04.980 but do you want to have him witness you sitting around being lazy or you sitting around and

00:49:11.240 doing something stupid or chasing after a girl at the cost of beneficial things in your life or

00:49:17.900 do you want him to see all the screw-ups that we all make and that's an important decision to make

00:49:24.280 when you engage in ritual practice but the idea of drawing their attention to you so this is all

00:49:29.000 going somewhere, I promise. So reputation is a key. It's a key in this world. And what we believe

00:49:39.840 very strongly, because our gods are real. They are real. They have personality. They have

00:49:47.920 individuality. They are a person. They are a spiritual person.

00:49:59.000 that word sounds so limiting and i don't mean that disrespectfully but at the base most basic

00:50:05.480 level they are they are intelligences in and of themselves they are people with personality

00:50:14.840 our only way of understanding how to interact with them is to start with how we would interact

00:50:20.280 in any other relationship you'll notice that the way you interact with people is similar

00:50:24.440 to the way you interact with your pets in ways in other ways it's hugely different but when you

00:50:30.440 interact with other creatures you base it on how you would interact with another person because

00:50:35.480 that empathy is what teaches us how to have relationships extending that to the gods reputation

00:50:41.720 is important we judge one another by our fame or our infamy by our reputations that we've built in

00:50:49.720 midgard with those who know us by what people we trust say about a person that's why you know

00:50:57.320 letters of introduction used to be so important because what people we trust say about you

00:51:03.480 gives me a reason to trust you or to look deeper into you

00:51:08.600 this is all going to the idea of posthumous ascension if the gods have been watching you

00:51:14.760 this whole time and had their eye on you because you're a great person that they want for something

00:51:19.000 more then that's great and they can bring you and invite you up to something better after you pass

00:51:27.720 shoot perhaps they could invite you before that that's between you and the gods

00:51:34.840 but if you've passed and you haven't ascended but your folk appreciate you and celebrate you so much

00:51:43.000 and sing your praises and raise horns to you and celebrate you and honor you with monuments and with

00:51:50.920 stories of your glory and your deeds and it draws the attentions of the gods to reconsider and like

00:51:57.560 hey maybe this guy's worth something you know a little bit better maybe we need a closer look at

00:52:03.640 so and so that's very important when we talk about how we honor the dead and how we treat

00:52:11.320 them in sumble how we treat them in funerary rites how we treat them with monuments or with

00:52:19.160 grave markers all of those things come into play when we consider this so that's my rambling on

00:52:26.760 that i know we're about an hour in and we haven't gotten any questions yet i promise we'll get to

00:52:30.920 your questions and if you want us to get to your question first make sure you go to entropy and

00:52:37.000 and get on that but we'll answer all your questions regardless i promise this is just a very

00:52:40.920 big uh very big subject and i think that brings us to where we can start hitting some questions

00:52:50.040 and then maybe we can talk about funerary practices here once we hit some questions

00:52:54.600 what do you think swan yeah absolutely and you know we could definitely i think we we should

00:53:00.040 try to hit some spots too about uh like you said about the dissolvement of the soul uh you know

00:53:05.880 You know, ones that are marked by the gods are marked by the ancestors to not be allowed back in.

00:53:11.420 And what happens to them about the river Gjöl and the river Slydr and the Varkar that wait there.

00:53:18.580 And I think also, too, you know, talking a little bit more about the drawing up, the drawing up of the soul in the middle and also the drawing up of the soul after from the folk soul is another big one that we should cover.

00:53:35.300 i i think we can sprinkle it in as we go so let's do that let's make sure we hit all of those i want

00:53:41.380 to talk about um i want to talk about burial versus cremation i want to talk about graves

00:53:52.820 i want to talk about um yeah there's a number of other topics that i would like to talk about

00:54:01.780 but i want to make sure we hit some of these questions while they're sort of fresh so let's

00:54:07.220 make sure we get to them and like i said we'll answer all of your questions no matter how long

00:54:11.620 it takes because victory never sleeps um so some of them we've hit and i've seen over in the chat

00:54:20.180 that we can disregard so i will try to do that judiciously um first question that we haven't

00:54:28.500 already touched on what ha and this one is this one is a really hard one um

00:54:35.700 hard not because i think it's difficult to find the right answer but hard because it's not always

00:54:40.900 what everyone wants to hear what happens when a baby of our folk dies before the soul can fully

00:54:47.540 develop that's a that is a common question that a lot of people have and it's one that

00:55:00.820 it's so tempting to just make something up that sounds nice but that's not

00:55:09.540 our job as priests and it's not the right thing to do

00:55:11.860 what and and i want to throw out there a caveat

00:55:20.580 the gods determine these things swan and i don't spawn and i do the best we can

00:55:28.260 to communicate what we know to be true

00:55:34.020 the gods can change the rules on a lot of these things depending upon their discretion and so i

00:55:41.140 don't the gods are not beholden to what's fun and i say we are beholden to the will of the gods

00:55:48.420 but to the best of my understanding what happens is that incomplete soul goes back into the folk

00:55:55.060 soul and those pieces go back in there to be utilized at a time that's better that's

00:56:00.820 more advantageous that those pieces of the soul can find fruition um i also and this is

00:56:10.340 a little bit of upg but it's something that i've found to be meaningful is there's a certain

00:56:17.140 something about that soul that chooses or has the potential to choose the family that it gets

00:56:27.140 born into in a way i don't know how that all works out but i think that there is a bit of truth in

00:56:33.780 that and there's a bit of intentional direction from the gods from our ancestors from that proto

00:56:40.980 soul into how it where it goes and and how it uh how it comes into the world um and so i think it's

00:56:50.420 it's shuffled back into the deck for for another time and another circumstance in another situation

00:56:55.860 um i think in some ways that's comforting to parents that have lost a small child before

00:57:04.520 their souls complete in others i think it's it can be sad for them so it it kind of depends

00:57:11.980 swan what are your thoughts on this something you said earlier and i think it's really important

00:57:17.760 that everybody that's listening understand this when you talked about how mythic time is not like

00:57:23.880 necessarily the way we perceive time time there's not a set series or a set distance there's no

00:57:31.240 mile markers or things like that one of the things that you really have to get if you're coming at

00:57:37.640 this into into the faith is understanding above are the source the gods that order time that time

00:57:45.080 flows from them but they are not they they order it they place it into being in the middle we here

00:57:52.120 are living that time and that that which is beyond the time is is also connected so almost like

00:57:59.720 two spheres the top and the bottom that intermingle or actually i would even say

00:58:04.600 coalesce the gods are not far away as we would always think neither are the ancestors but they

00:58:12.120 are they are clearly far away because they're not us they're not in the same but it's like an

00:58:17.640 overlay that's why we often use the word beyond the veil or as as the gods exist beyond the

00:58:23.560 shimmering path be frost that shimmering path is is the translucent veil of light that that's

00:58:31.400 that's between us and the divine but they are quite there so you know when when uh when a person

00:58:41.080 becomes one to the i-ness that you said the the oneness and and odin can at his decree choose and

00:58:49.960 pull up that soul right then and there uh even before the actual final result of the death is

00:58:57.960 complete it's already been doomed and committed he pulls you up just like that there is the sense

00:59:03.560 that that that connection point up there's the same as the connection point away when the soul

00:59:09.240 is is coalescing and there are complications or issues things that happen and that stuff

00:59:15.960 cannot be completed then then there is another direct connection of those soul components that

00:59:21.640 again like you said kind of get shuffled back in those components are are bridged there they're

00:59:27.240 not they're being sent they're being um you know uh they're coming down but as if it doesn't work

00:59:34.200 out they then fall through and into the realm of that folk soul again so that the the cycle

00:59:40.360 is is not broken because the child never completes the physical manifestation in the middle but

00:59:47.160 simply passes through that veil again and enters into the folk soul and and there's a lot of things

00:59:54.680 that can happen with this i mean we talk about physical ailments that um that we don't have

00:59:59.880 control over whether it's say environmentally something happens to the to the mother or you

01:00:06.280 know and or to the child there's lots of factors that could create the situation in which there's

01:00:12.280 not a full manifestation of all the components leading to the naming ceremony and the final

01:00:18.520 completion and moving forward that part then continues to that descent but not in a whole

01:00:24.440 sense but as in a component sense brought back to the folk soul to be utilized later

01:00:30.280 and this is important as an add-on to uh two weeks ago's discussion about the importance of the leak

01:00:38.840 in this world in midgard the leak is so primary in its essential qualities

01:00:48.360 because the rest of that soul complex can't exist in midgard without a suitable leak and that's

01:00:57.960 where we see a lot of this happen if the leak isn't able to form in a way that's stable and

01:01:04.600 that's healthy then those pieces don't have that primary material to coalesce around and to to

01:01:14.440 complete that unit into the world um so from tony the king of cheese uh matt and svan how are you

01:01:25.560 doing tonight we appreciate you asking tony i hope you're doing well um i'm doing fantastic i i look

01:01:33.320 forward to this all week um this is this is a really special time for me love these episodes

01:01:40.360 with spawn one of my best friends love talking to you guys uh yeah i'm doing i'm doing great

01:01:46.840 uh spawn how are you doing i'm amped this is such a great uh you know it's a great subject and

01:01:53.640 there's so much to cover there's so much to talk about there's so much to conceptualize and to

01:01:59.160 convey through observation and through faith the way that we've developed our our a way for

01:02:05.000 for us to show people this very very deeply you know um uh encompassing subject

01:02:12.760 as uh as maracas would say spawn is on the jazz

01:02:20.760 and yes i am an old man

01:02:28.440 it's one of the best shows and it's terrible when you go back and try to watch it it's

01:02:31.800 absolutely ridiculous but i still love it it's from the middle of my childhood i i bought a

01:02:37.640 mini 14 because of that show there you go so although they all needed a lot of target practice

01:02:50.600 they needed some range time so

01:02:55.960 our next question and i think this is a really interesting one

01:02:58.920 and i'd like us to expand this to a lot of these kind of things so what part of the soul is present

01:03:09.840 in a draugr what say you svan okay okay draugr oh i hit the draugr on this one i didn't expect

01:03:21.020 this question to come up but i was i was hoping or maybe just anticipating uh so the the draugr

01:03:27.900 it exists even post-christianity we talk about whether we use the word vampire or or revenant

01:03:34.300 for the in the french term of the the returned um the draw good i think first and foremost we

01:03:40.300 have the leak and we have this is the saddest part we have a a a kind of uh fracturing or

01:03:47.980 remin remination of the hammer and and the mini that seem to only be present in the leak everything

01:03:54.620 else is gone the the the hamilia is disconnected and so they're oftentimes draugr in cultural

01:04:02.060 sense for us like if we talk about the revenant the revenant is seen as like a vengeful spirit

01:04:06.620 and oftentimes seen as like righting a wrong but in in a general sense draugr are seen as

01:04:12.140 something that has come back perhaps for very very dire and and and dark situation um

01:04:20.860 and so the the revenants or the uh the draugr's leak is there and the hammer is there or at least

01:04:30.380 a part of it perhaps even the most agitated part of it the only part that it it knows what or what

01:04:36.220 to do or how to do and then on top of this there's also seems to be some kind of flash burn of the

01:04:42.220 memory that's left and those three things coalesce into a mockery of life um and and that you know

01:04:54.540 uh i i've never encountered a drugger uh a lot of people could say it's you know part of the

01:04:59.420 storial components of our folklore i don't want to encounter a drug but but the idea is that our

01:05:05.980 ancestors spoke of it so at least let's conceptualize through our observations and understanding

01:05:10.940 that the Draugr shows up in a physical form, sometimes more of like a ghostly form, but

01:05:19.740 physical form with a memory and a drive towards something. This was so important that even the

01:05:26.580 Icelanders would cut holes in the sides of the hall or of the house and pull the body out

01:05:35.440 um and then close up the the the hole um some people could argue that this is of course you

01:05:40.880 know post-mortem um return where people go into like a comatose state everyone thinks they're

01:05:46.160 dead and then they rise up again and that could cause a lot of issues especially um we didn't have

01:05:51.680 a a greater understanding of the physicality of the body um that that can all possibly be true

01:05:59.760 but if we're talking about it from a spiritual sense the draugr is the haunt of the um the

01:06:06.960 intent of the of the the leak that that was left behind and so it kind of i i would say the

01:06:12.800 components of the soul that reside there are the leak the the the mini or at least a flash

01:06:18.160 burn of it sometime moment or some feeling or emotion and the hammer is activating that

01:06:24.720 the ond is not there because it's no longer animated by the divine so the the breath that we

01:06:30.880 are that we are given by the by the valfather is not there it and then it becomes again the reason

01:06:37.120 why it's we're seen as so treacherously terrible was because of its mockery of the of its presence

01:06:43.680 of the living and this has existed with us all the way even into you know history of america and the

01:06:49.440 first uh the first vampire case in which um there was you know belief of a young girl that you know

01:06:56.240 was residing and returning after the dead and so this phenomena is i didn't expect this question

01:07:02.640 to come up but it is kind of a it's very integral to our to to our folklore so i did and i expected

01:07:14.080 a couple versions of it and i think this is a good time to hit all of those um yes everything's

01:07:21.440 fawn said the uh the draugr is you know hammer or a a shade of that hammer um it is an essence

01:07:34.940 of the meaning like he said it could be some particular traumatic element of it that's seared

01:07:41.940 into whatever that's that is that's left and then it is by a not

01:07:48.700 disintegrated partial leak that's still animated by these pieces of the soul one thing that is

01:07:58.620 really important to note this is a malignancy or a an unhealthy something didn't work right

01:08:09.260 for this to be the case. Sometimes you see this as a piece that rises for vengeance. Perhaps

01:08:19.260 this soul was so advanced and they were such a grand, you know, exalted magus of whatever

01:08:27.820 that they can send that out for one last act of vengeance to write the tables on something.

01:08:35.780 And I think that's kind of an extreme case or an extreme circumstance, but perhaps that hammer is animated for that purpose. Perhaps it is some other malignancy or unhealthy unwholeness that occurred with that because the other thing you see and what you see much more common is the idea of a haunting or a ghost that haunts.

01:08:59.360 And I want to make a really big separation here because our mind conceives of involvement from people who have passed into Midgard in very, very different ways.

01:09:18.680 um we in a ritual context okay for example in a ritual context at uh

01:09:31.780 dc blow my grandmother came to me and in

01:09:38.880 the most physical visceral way and it was one of the most beautiful things that's ever happened

01:09:47.480 in my life um and it's not scary and it's it's amazing

01:09:55.640 but that's different than the ghost stories we hear of these hauntings and

01:10:01.480 you know ghosts messing with people and terrifying people and so one of those is a is a healthy thing

01:10:09.400 and one of those is again a malignancy um through great trauma through lack of integration of soul

01:10:16.840 pieces through something very unhealthy through sickness a disease of the soul you have

01:10:27.640 elements of hammer and many that exist after death in a troubled

01:10:36.280 murkstav way of existence that result in in hauntings and in the terrifying ghost things that

01:10:46.840 you know that that chill the souls of our folk and that you know you hear in in the common

01:10:54.680 parlance like souls that haven't found their way to to the other side yet you have these pieces

01:11:00.840 that haven't gone through the normal process of death and transition that still exist in an

01:11:07.720 unsettled and malicious way one of the things that has always had a visceral reaction from

01:11:21.480 our folk and this doesn't sound nice but there is truth to it is

01:11:29.480 disease or things that are not healthy we have a inherent in the back of our brain or

01:11:37.720 sense of things that just aren't right. And when we see mutations or things that

01:11:45.920 violate the laws of good health, it causes a reaction from us that we react to.

01:11:55.540 More so when those exist on a metaphysical level, there's certain things where you see them and the

01:12:04.240 hair stands up on the back of your neck and something is not right. You have certain moments

01:12:11.320 where you see things that aren't supposed to be. They're just not supposed to exist. That's not

01:12:15.860 supposed to happen. It challenges all of your calibrations of what's appropriate to expect in

01:12:23.300 life and when you see those things you react in a very specific

01:12:33.140 fight-or-flight primitive or sense you react to them because they're they're not how things are

01:12:39.620 supposed to be now when you deaden yourself to the spiritual and you have an experience with

01:12:48.500 the gods something very similar happens but not in a terrifying scary way but in a shocking you

01:12:59.060 to your core because you had conditioned yourself to believe the world is one way

01:13:04.260 and all of a sudden things that are outside of those parameters hit you in a profound way

01:13:11.140 we see the same thing in a nauseating in a terrifying way when you see parts of these

01:13:17.220 soul complex that that don't integrate the way they should and i think spawn may want to talk

01:13:23.060 on this but when we're done when spawn's done i do want to come back to the experience of ghosts

01:13:30.500 in a in a more healthy context well and i i just wanted to add on actually kind of what you just

01:13:37.700 said a positive thing if anybody's interested in in understanding culturally and how viable this is

01:13:42.500 within our even our uh post uh like our our uh culture post uh christianities uh in 1897 there

01:13:52.020 was the infamous case of um erasmus shoe in west virginia and greenbrier and um it's one of the

01:14:00.340 only cases in which um a ghost this is according to the story uh they use this word so i'm going

01:14:07.460 to use that word but uh this this this uh again this uh non-necessarily corporal being of of a

01:14:15.780 woman's daughter coming back to her and and since the the woman had already seen her buried and and

01:14:22.820 the veil of death is already present when she appeared she appeared as if she was dead wept and

01:14:29.300 and gone away and that soil was coming out of her mouth but she kept trying to tell her mother

01:14:34.740 something and it would eventually led to um the the fact that her husband had killed her

01:14:41.780 and uh and so she was basically reaching out to her mother in order to continue the

01:14:49.300 investigation and because of the tenacity of her of her mother mary to uh go after erasmus um zonas

01:14:56.500 draugr like soul uh was able to convey that message to her mother and um she went and and

01:15:06.740 had the uh magistrates uh investigate and re-pull out the body and that's when they realized that

01:15:12.020 she had uh she had deep bruising and attack marks on her neck and and so and and then he was

01:15:17.620 prosecuted accordingly um one of the it's just one of those interesting stories and at 1897

01:15:24.660 west virginia the green bar green briar ghost so just something interesting and it's it's quite

01:15:30.100 fitting because in between these times uh when we're talking this this story came to me uh on

01:15:35.860 an outside thing uh in between our soul and death conversation and i i didn't know if it was gonna

01:15:41.860 have any merit but apparently it does um in the sense of of that positive sense but i think it

01:15:48.660 was really important when she talks about her daughter with the soil coming out of her mouth

01:15:54.020 a lot of times when we interact with these she was a draugr or just reaching out as an ancestor now

01:16:01.060 we do have a tendency to paint that which we don't understand in a in the light of death

01:16:08.340 which is kind of an oxymoron or perhaps in the shade of death we and so our minds definitely

01:16:13.220 do see that even though they are there for a positive reason so i thought that was a very

01:16:19.220 interesting story in relation to tonight absolutely and that's why i think that the topic of of ghosts

01:16:25.540 is a um it's an important one it's a very nuanced one one of the things that i've always so there is

01:16:39.620 terrifying haunting situations then there's situations more like what you're talking about

01:16:46.420 or an ancestor is reaching out and needing your help to put something right or to fix something

01:16:53.140 or do something and maybe because they still need that accomplished they're in some kind of an in

01:16:58.900 between state then you have ancestors that are all the way everything's healthy and the veil gets

01:17:11.220 thin we so one of the reasons that we celebrate you know halloween or uh winter nights as we

01:17:18.660 celebrate an ausitru is this idea that in in the fall we get into a part of the year where

01:17:26.340 the veil is thinner and it's easier to make contact us to them but also them to us

01:17:32.260 us we have situations where our ancestors or ghosts reach out and communicate in a you know

01:17:42.160 in a nice and in beautiful way and I think it's important to keep our mind open to that this is

01:17:51.280 kind of a a strange um maybe a strange way of looking at it but I've believed this since I

01:18:01.360 child and i still do to this day we should approach

01:18:10.960 spiritual things

01:18:14.640 much like i said earlier in the program based on how we approach

01:18:20.560 things that are closer to us that we understand better

01:18:28.400 if

01:18:32.320 and i'm trying to think of the best way to formulate this so do please bear with me i

01:18:36.400 mentioned tonight's harder to harder to put into words because these concepts are so

01:18:41.680 far from the normal life experience but

01:18:47.120 people do a lot of spiritual banishing work when they're going to do rituals when they're going to

01:18:54.480 do other things i don't do that when i interact with people when i go to the store i don't make

01:19:03.120 sure i'm super hyper protected because i'm scared everybody when i go places i have my chest out my

01:19:12.160 head up and i'm not scared unless i have a reason to be and i think that when you interact with

01:19:18.080 spiritual forces it's worth keeping those same kind of principles in mind when you encounter

01:19:27.440 something or someone from the other side why would you treat them different than a stranger

01:19:33.040 that you meet in the street or someone else i get it because you're in a situation that's very

01:19:39.520 unfamiliar to you. But by the same note, initial reactions of hostility and fear encourage

01:19:48.500 bad treatment. It's like when you're around a pit bull or something that's particularly

01:19:55.380 predatory or that's in that kind of state of being on. If you are calm and confident in dealing with

01:20:04.680 them you're all right but the second you act scared and they smell fear on you something goes

01:20:12.240 off in in a primitive part of their brain that says there must be a reason that you're afraid

01:20:17.820 and they act on it they can act on it with viciousness or with many other things

01:20:22.500 but I believe very strongly when dealing with um when dealing with ghosts that interacting

01:20:30.900 out of kindness and nobility like we would do normally is the best approach and then respond

01:20:40.500 accordingly depending on where it goes from there but i think by doing that and maintaining calm

01:20:44.820 we're able to get a lot more understanding out of that experience however the experience is

01:20:52.020 um i'm sorry guys entropy is being uh odd for me and i'm having to reload a couple of times

01:20:59.860 if i cut out i apologize don't think i will because this is being run through stream yard

01:21:07.140 but just in case um so yeah i wanted to i wanted to mention that and one of the things i wanted to

01:21:14.500 say is i've known a number of people in my life that have um for lack of a better term that have

01:21:23.380 second sight or that are very perceptive to things that the rest of us wouldn't be perceptive to

01:21:28.500 and there are the world is full of lunatics that say they have those things and don't

01:21:37.380 not encouraging you to uh listen to all the kooks out there but one of the things that's

01:21:44.500 most telling to me is when it's people that i know and the way they approach those things

01:21:53.780 if they're trying to show off then very often they're making stuff up

01:21:58.420 but one of the things that i've noticed is when you can see it happen to a person and you can see

01:22:04.020 them respond with genuine surprise that you don't see what they're seeing i don't know if you guys

01:22:10.740 have had that experience i know i'm going kind of off the res on this a little bit but it is

01:22:16.580 something that i have witnessed in my life of people having this experience and i absolutely

01:22:21.940 believe that they're seeing things um one really interesting uh version of that was when i was in

01:22:30.180 sweden we were with someone who i have a lot of respect for who isn't frivolous and the way that

01:22:36.180 they were bringing up their experience wasn't frivolous at all but when we were at ancient

01:22:42.420 grave sites or we're at ancient stone circles doing things

01:22:46.100 very often he would you know in passing just mention and be very aware of

01:22:53.600 different people from the other side that were there observing or that were there following

01:23:02.400 certain people around or checking out what was going on and it was a really interesting experience

01:23:07.420 because i didn't see what he was seeing but i promise he wasn't lying so somewhere in between

01:23:18.060 something was happening that he could see that i couldn't see and i've seen that with a number

01:23:21.900 of people i don't know have you ever had that experience fawn i i definitely had people see

01:23:29.100 things. Um, uh, I have a, a, a story of, um, a woman stating that she had seen a man and a woman

01:23:40.120 standing behind me and, um, that they had very distinct features. And I, and I kind of, uh,

01:23:46.400 I was younger than I was in my still, I was still in my twenties back then. And, um, uh, so I kind

01:23:53.960 of, I took it with skepticism. And then when I went back and talked to my mother about those

01:23:59.300 specific articles of clothing that seemed very, very odd to be a gray, a gray suit top on a woman

01:24:05.080 and a golf cap that was blue and white plaid with a little toboggan goofball. Um, very oddly

01:24:14.200 specific. Um, and, but I had no correlation or connection to it. And then my mother showed me

01:24:19.960 pictures of my grandparents in those particular articles of clothing at various or just different

01:24:25.960 stages of their lives that she seemed to have and um as if they knew i was going to go and

01:24:32.120 eventually uh go down that route and it it hit me pretty um savagely at that point like i was

01:24:41.960 i was floored i didn't know what to do i didn't know what to make of that and i felt kind of

01:24:45.080 foolish for for being uh suspicious but um that's what she said and she did not know i mean this was

01:24:52.680 far away from where my you know my mother was residing at the time and so i mean there was no

01:24:57.480 connections there uh so yeah i mean that that is definitely one um you know moment of uh i think

01:25:05.000 where someone saw something beyond that veil all right so i am waiting on nick to repopulate our

01:25:12.760 questions for me um i really like entropy and i want entropy to be successful but we've been having

01:25:20.280 entropy problems uh the past several weeks please do keep coming on entropy keep trying to make it

01:25:26.200 work i think it's a really good platform but like i said i'm having a little bit of difficulty with

01:25:31.080 it next question and i don't have the question up but i remember reading it because i tried to

01:25:36.600 prepare for this and i have some of the questions over here as well i can see them okay so the

01:25:41.720 reincarnation question i knew that was going to come up um someone asked question about um

01:25:51.240 to ask a question about reincarnation and how that works in terms of coming back within a family line

01:26:00.120 and bringing up um bringing up those kind of questions that we knew were coming um

01:26:08.440 Um, yeah, Svon, you know, okay, so I want to put this out there a little bit.

01:26:16.520 Again, as I stated a few questions ago,

01:26:23.300 the gods can do what they would like to do.

01:26:31.960 They are powerful beyond our comprehension.

01:26:35.520 mentioned. So I think that there are exceptions to every rule based upon the discretion of beings

01:26:44.220 much more powerful than myself. That said, this is the standard things, not the rule.

01:26:53.040 Typically, one for one reincarnation isn't a thing, like the entirety of your soul complex,

01:27:01.260 being reborn in another person in your family you know if your great grandson is named after you

01:27:08.700 all of a sudden they literally are you born again now i think the gods can choose to send

01:27:15.820 a soul back in that way for a very special purpose we have examples in of that in related

01:27:24.780 aryan branches I don't think that's impossible but I think that's highly highly irregular what

01:27:33.960 I think happens much more often is that pieces of that soul complex do come back that way

01:27:40.800 specifically and importantly through your family line and also through naming people

01:27:51.280 after those who've come before naming them after one of your relatives is a very potent way to

01:28:00.240 re-affix some of that to the person naming them after a great hero of our folk is also a way to

01:28:08.960 do that so we share a much more intimate and closer connected current of that folk soul

01:28:18.560 well when dealing with our own family line but we can draw on the entire folk soul of our race

01:28:26.240 in a bigger sense um and that's that's one of the reasons that we have people named magnus

01:28:35.520 in nordic countries it's not a nordic name at all it's a latin name but they were named after

01:28:43.440 carlos magnus or charlemagne because he was such a great and storied king and emperor

01:28:51.120 that they wanted to imbue that greatness upon sons often royal sons that they wanted to give

01:28:58.560 that name to um and that's that's that concept so at the naming um for example i named my daughter

01:29:07.520 after my grandfather and that may seem odd aubrey's one of those names that switches

01:29:14.160 gender generationally um on on what's more prevalent

01:29:20.800 but my daughter isn't my grandpa but what i do hope is that by naming her after him

01:29:28.240 And she gets some of his luck, some of his hymenia, some of his, you know, perhaps philia, perhaps things that followed him can follow her and that's passed on.

01:29:45.180 Perhaps just by naming her after him, he pays a little bit more attention from beyond the veil to make sure she has, you know, the best opportunities and somebody else looking out for her in their afterlives.

01:29:55.620 and I think that's what happens more often than not but you see interesting developments in that

01:30:03.120 and that was mentioned in the original question you'll have people that all of a sudden they have

01:30:07.660 memories that they shouldn't have of things that happened long before in somebody's life that maybe

01:30:13.800 you know that somebody and so I think pieces of the many pieces of the soul complex can be shared

01:30:21.600 out and bestowed upon these people through that family line or shared in that family line but what

01:30:30.640 i do think is is fundamental and this has always been these the barometer of how much to buy into

01:30:41.120 reincarnation to me when we talk about direct reincarnation ah i was jonah arc in another

01:30:51.440 life i am joan of arc if that's how it works it negates our gift cycle in a lot of ways

01:30:59.920 our ritual structure and all of our altar worship and our ancestor cult is based on the fact that

01:31:06.000 those ancestors exist with consciousness who they are and memory of who they are beyond the veil

01:31:14.000 i can't go before my altar and pray to my grandfather

01:31:19.280 with my daughter and her and my grandfather be the same person at the same time it doesn't work

01:31:28.340 that way or it certainly doesn't work completely that way there is a sharing of essence a sharing

01:31:36.980 of luck a sharing of pieces of that soul that does occur and I would be presumptuous to tell

01:31:45.560 you that I knew exactly how it all fleshes out, but I know that it doesn't typically flesh out.

01:31:53.540 100% of that person becomes 100% of the person who is getting those reincarnated elements.

01:32:02.740 Swan, can you shed some light on that? Yeah. One thing like you just said, the 100% to 100%,

01:32:09.340 The closing your eyes and then opening your eyes and now you're in a new life form or even of another people.

01:32:19.140 No, I think one of the big things that we really should consider is as living beings, when we come together and couple to have children, we are taking on the flowing cumulative amounts of the Haminyah from both sides are flowing forward now in this point that coalesce together and move forward.

01:32:39.660 And so that's very important. So it is really important that you do consider who you are with and who you bring a new leak into the world because of those elements that can come.

01:32:53.740 When we say the word reincarnation, I want to kind of poise it in a different sense.

01:32:59.440 A lot of the ways you could look at it is ascension or partial ascension, which is kind of what Al-Syrego has been talking about.

01:33:08.040 And the idea that it's not 100%, but that the ancestors are able to pass on pieces of themselves in order to help facilitate or advance your line.

01:33:21.720 And so in essence, that's like an ascension of a piece that will go and be placed within the line to help the living people.

01:33:32.580 That's just one form of it because we talk about the Deesir and we talk about the Alvar.

01:33:38.840 The kind of guardianship essence is also another form of soul ascension in which they are placed over the guardship of the living line.

01:33:48.540 And then the big ascension is to be pulled or drawn up into the gods, into the realm of the upper.

01:33:57.300 So one thing, and this is just how my mind works, but I like to, sometimes I conceptualize things and I whittle them down into a very, very simple way of looking at them.

01:34:13.680 Perhaps a child's way of looking at them in some ways.

01:34:16.240 but if I pass on and I'm with my ancestors and I'm looking on and my daughter loves me so much

01:34:31.320 that she names you know her son or her daughter after me I think that if she named her daughter

01:34:36.840 Matthew that would be a that would be a mistake and I feel sorry for my granddaughter um but okay

01:34:42.500 so here's the thing hopefully I live through that I have grandkids while I'm still around let's say

01:34:46.820 my great-grandchildren but if one of my descendants wanted to honor me by naming their child after me

01:34:56.260 and I have the ability as I've mentioned earlier that luck is a is a commodity that we can share

01:35:05.840 out with other people we can bestow our luck on others when we wish them luck in a magical sense

01:35:12.320 if we are an integrated soul that has mastery of our soul, then our wishing of luck has

01:35:18.680 that potency. Like, I will give you a chunk of my luck. I would certainly want to give a

01:35:27.400 descendant that bears my name an inheritance and a gift that I have to bless them with that I'm not

01:35:36.260 using and i think that's one of those things is to encourage that gift and that favor

01:35:43.860 all of this is about that gift cycle and if we are honoring someone who is a hero to us

01:35:50.900 of our line or of our race by naming one of our children after them

01:35:56.100 that hopefully they would in their benevolence and appreciation give them some of their spiritual

01:36:03.940 might or bless them with some of their memory or some of an inheritance that they pass on

01:36:12.340 and that's what i think is fundamental in this um

01:36:18.260 this and this is what i mean when i talk about religious religion isn't a science project

01:36:25.620 it's about relationships with living entities and beings

01:36:29.380 things it's not like if I do the right special formula then some chemical process happens to

01:36:40.720 where someone has a blessing no if I make the right relationship and I ask and I impress

01:36:47.680 another being with my request then that being will grant me what they have to grant me to to

01:36:56.500 favor for my child or to to look after us in some way and that may i hope everybody understands what

01:37:03.540 i'm saying but it's a really important difference by doing the right hocus pocus we can't compel

01:37:11.780 spiritual forces that are much more powerful than us to do our bidding it doesn't work that way

01:37:18.580 But through humility and dedication and building relationships, we can beseech beings that are more powerful to us to do us a favor and do us a kindness. And I think that that is a more healthy way to look at what we're talking about.

01:37:48.580 So I noticed a side chat thing, and then I'll get to the next question, talking about entropy.

01:37:53.340 I love entropy. Entropy allows us to be monetized without being abusive with the terms of

01:38:02.600 what conversation we have, how that conversation can develop. They're very gracious with that,

01:38:09.940 and they have the most generous split between their cut of any donations and the cut we receive.

01:38:16.160 They host a number of broadcasts that share in our worldview broadly.

01:38:24.780 And they've been really great partners with us.

01:38:27.820 And as Nick points out, they're the way that we can get monetized and make a little something.

01:38:32.760 And we appreciate that.

01:38:34.180 And it goes into, like I said, it goes into our mission and making good stuff happen for the AFA.

01:38:39.100 We do love entropy.

01:38:40.620 It's what I like to, what I'm looking at this on.

01:38:43.720 um but yeah it's a it's a little bit glitchy sometimes for us so please bear with us on that

01:38:51.740 our next question gentlemen what's the current afa one arm push up record thanks so

01:38:57.960 i don't know exactly because it's the disc the distance between first and second is ridiculous

01:39:07.440 this it's only competitive for like second and third uh folk builder nathan erlinson is our

01:39:16.020 our reigning champ um he usually gets north of 20 on each arm before we're just disgusted and

01:39:25.200 all are good but uh yeah somewhere somewhere north of 20 i'm not sure how far he can go but

01:39:32.340 20 significantly outpaces this competition uh i am not sure if you are a member of the astro

01:39:41.220 folk assembly who asked this question if you are i encourage that you go up to nate and you

01:39:47.060 challenge him and you see what you can do if you think you can beat that record i look forward to

01:39:51.300 celebrating you um if you can come anywhere close that's quite an accomplishment if you can't get

01:39:57.060 one in then you need to do some work uh next question from the same guy i assume it's a guy

01:40:06.020 could be a lady i apologize uh gentlemen if person dies with dementia mental illness weak body or

01:40:12.420 missing limbs at what physical and mental state will they exist in the afterlife thanks that is

01:40:20.580 a really good question all of these questions are stuff i i'll say this pondering death and

01:40:30.180 the afterlife has consumed a such a huge amount of man's quiet time and what they think about

01:40:38.980 since the very dawn of time and i think this is a really good question

01:40:43.060 and this is a really special question to me um I believe that

01:40:58.120 your sow becomes fixed to your woad self as opposed to to your your leak after you die

01:41:08.200 so if you spend that time building your ideal self that is the self that shines through

01:41:15.640 empowered by those other parts and it was really meaningful to me um my mom passed

01:41:23.560 I think the 4th of May so not very long ago and it sucks my mom had dementia

01:41:32.440 um she had vascular dementia so she got very early in her life due to a series of strokes

01:41:38.200 And for about 15 years, she was slowly decaying and losing her meanie and her humor.

01:41:50.160 And, you know, as she got older and as it took further into into her, her leak as well.

01:42:00.240 And my wife never got to meet my mom.

01:42:03.360 And she got to meet this very, very compromised husk of a lady.

01:42:11.520 And that's all she ever got to know.

01:42:14.540 But when I'd see my mom, even at, you know, at the end, she was nonverbal.

01:42:19.320 She just could kind of grunt.

01:42:22.260 She recognized me, but couldn't tell you who I was.

01:42:28.600 But no, I saw the woman that raised me.

01:42:31.060 I saw my mom and nobody else there could see my mom.

01:42:39.520 I believe very much that when she passed.

01:42:43.660 All that weight was taken off of her.

01:42:47.000 The confusion, the haze, the body that doesn't work right,

01:42:51.460 the mind that doesn't work right.

01:42:55.800 And she could finally be my mom again, but on the other side.

01:43:01.700 so i believe that when you're beyond the veil

01:43:06.100 you become that woad self you become the idealized version of of who you or

01:43:14.020 you become the highest progress you have made towards that woad self i should say

01:43:21.140 very few of us will fully integrate that woad self but you become the closest that you've gotten to

01:43:27.140 that and i think that's what the gods see when they see you and that's what we notice that that's

01:43:36.660 what people we mentioned earlier talking about ghosts see with their second sight they get to

01:43:42.820 see that aura they get to see a presence that is greater than the physical you that's in front of

01:43:49.380 them and that's what was explained to me by the meaning of of namaste that uh that hindus

01:43:57.460 or dharmic folks will say to one another or buddhists a lot of time it's just some cheesy

01:44:03.540 yoga mom thing but in a very fundamental way the divine in me sees the divine in you

01:44:10.900 is those woed selves recognizing one another and that's what i think is seen beyond the veil

01:44:19.380 svan what are your thoughts i i i agree i think that the biggest thing that to add on to that is

01:44:26.260 that we we talk about the leak and its physical incapabilities of doing things that the the the

01:44:33.380 thought or the huger starts to fall away uh physically quite physically it can be mapped

01:44:39.140 as it is as being seen um it's at that point when we were talking about it last about the soul and

01:44:46.900 how the soul itself is much like a chalice and those components start to fall into that encapsulation

01:44:53.300 um the leak is still there uh but it could be you know again misaligned or perhaps even to

01:45:01.060 the point of conceptualization that the entire existence of the body has always been misaligned

01:45:07.060 being born without limbs or something of that nature the idea is that after death those those

01:45:13.140 components leave and the souls hammer and and sal come together into what is the woed self or again

01:45:21.140 the attainment of the woed self the progression of that um as we pass on and enter back to the

01:45:27.140 folks so we bring that with us and i think that's our true selves all right so uh have you ever

01:45:39.140 heard the myth that cracking an egg and seeing a double yoke meant that someone in your family was

01:45:45.220 going to die yes but i have no idea where i've heard that and i have nothing to add on that

01:45:52.420 other than yes i have heard that before and i don't really know where swan what about you i

01:45:57.860 haven't heard that i've i've heard uh that it means the birth of twins or it's a time of good luck

01:46:03.940 uh you know i like that that twins are going to be born into the family again we are talking

01:46:08.420 about birth and death so one to the other but um i have not heard about death i have heard about

01:46:15.300 possibility of twins or at least uh it's a an omen of good luck and i think that's rarity is

01:46:23.140 what it is the random chance of rarity or to take note in a moment you know if we if we see it uh

01:46:28.900 an animal that's born on our farm that has, um, you know, uh, uh, born inside the purse,

01:46:37.960 if you will, or, or something rare. And I think it's even more rare now that people don't actually

01:46:42.320 have chickens. I have chickens and I have cracked open a double yoke and nobody that I knew have had

01:46:50.380 twins and nobody that I knew of had passed away, but I have never heard of it being about

01:46:56.380 in connotations to death i've always heard it about twins and good luck

01:47:04.140 so we have uh comments on the side um about damn i've never seen matt tear up like that

01:47:11.260 so the more the more you get to know me and i'll tell you what if you

01:47:16.460 most of the time and there are plenty of times that i tear up because of something sad

01:47:22.060 the tearing up a second ago about my mom wasn't from the sadness of where she found herself then

01:47:32.140 but of the happiness that she's on the other side of that

01:47:36.860 and that she gets those pieces of herself back um i was tearing up a little bit earlier in the show

01:47:45.260 when i talked about seeing my grandma when i talk about the ritual this is so as far as

01:47:53.820 matt is a crier about stuff and one of the things i've always considered that

01:48:00.060 a blessing that i can be spiritually moved it's not like i stub my toe and i cry i weep when i'm

01:48:09.980 deeply moved about something and i i value that about myself and uh when i bring up

01:48:19.260 the ritual that i had where my grandmother was you know summoned from beyond in that dc or bloat

01:48:28.700 and i was able to give her a hug again it was the damnedest thing i tell you what i

01:48:32.460 I I closed my eyes so I couldn't tell you if she was there visually or not I assumed she wasn't

01:48:40.740 because nobody else saw her but I closed my eyes and I could smell like her old lady hairspray like

01:48:47.200 I could smell what she smelled like the last time that I that I was with her I I gave her a hug I

01:48:53.540 could feel her like old grandma body just the way it felt like the the first time i

01:49:03.140 i saw her in 2001 and then the next time i saw her was in uh 2014. it was the the craziest thing

01:49:11.780 and i can't i can't recount that story without tearing up because it's it circumvents

01:49:19.780 it circumvents any of those cognitive things and it just touches something in my soul directly and

01:49:28.420 makes a response through the leak um but yeah no i appreciate i appreciate your concern and

01:49:34.900 your sympathy there um losing a parent is hard uh no matter what um

01:49:42.020 um all right apparently I need to check with Nick on the back end on uh who this guy is

01:49:51.500 because he's working on his one-arm push-ups right now Nathan somebody's coming for you

01:49:57.020 say your prayers eat your vitamins um

01:50:02.000 next question is does the AFA have a legal team to consult in case anti-white or religious

01:50:08.180 discrimination takes place yes first um and good that you asked that question yes we are very

01:50:16.640 fortunate um Alan Turner is our law speaker and I say that I think a lot of people have that and

01:50:25.400 it means other things um Alan is all of the other cool esoteric also true things that that might

01:50:33.620 mean, but he is also a legitimate practicing attorney. And that's very, very beneficial to

01:50:40.340 us in so many ways. We also have another attorney, Otto Refus, who is a attorney,

01:50:50.540 but also in Florida. Both of those guys are members of our leadership team and are consulted

01:50:57.340 it on legal matters just in case it is really legal stuff scary because it's this whole arcane

01:51:09.000 science that most of us don't know how it all works but we do know that when we're at the the

01:51:16.420 whim of somebody who does know how it works it's an existential threat all of the time it is such

01:51:23.040 a big benefit to my own personal peace of mind and to the AFA's existence that we have Alan's help.

01:51:32.180 So we do consult him whenever there's any kind of discrimination or

01:51:37.840 slander or libel that occurs. One of the unfortunate truths that I think,

01:51:45.680 you know, all of us wish was different. Lawsuits and things like that cost a shocking amount of

01:51:55.280 money. So we always have to have a discussion on is it worth it to spend that money on defending

01:52:06.800 ourselves legally or pursuing a legitimate libel or slander claim or would we are we better served

01:52:18.400 spending that money on you know the hoss and other things that we're doing and because of the just

01:52:25.860 how much that money is and our likelihood or lack thereof or finding success those are the critical

01:52:32.700 decisions that we need to make. And unfortunately, I know that our members and the casual observance

01:52:41.980 of it, myself included, are like, man, that person just slandered us and libeled us. We should sue

01:52:47.980 the pants off of them. Unfortunately, that's not really the way that it works, especially when

01:52:56.340 we are us. But yes, we are always contemplating that. We consider that every time we weigh the

01:53:03.940 pros and cons. And we do have at least two practicing attorneys. And I mentioned them by

01:53:10.300 name because they're members of our leadership team that are out there publicly. But we consult

01:53:16.100 our legal folks often to make sure that things are above board, to make sure we're doing things

01:53:22.680 the right way, and to make sure that we consider any action that's appropriate for us to take

01:53:30.300 under different circumstances. But I'm glad that you asked that question. That's really

01:53:34.880 important, and we're very fortunate in that regard. Our next question. Christians describe

01:53:43.660 going to heaven when they're in a coma. Do parts of our soul temporarily move on when the body

01:53:50.360 body is totally incapacitated in that way. Svan, what are your thoughts on that?

01:53:56.860 Yeah, that is a component of our faith. The Hamad, we spoke about that during the soul.

01:54:03.880 The Hamad can somehow remain, and also while the living person can be projected forward.

01:54:10.520 It's just the conception of faring forth. We talk about it like faring forth, but again,

01:54:15.440 earlier in this episode i made mention that the concept of faring forth is misleading because

01:54:22.960 if you could take one step outside of yourself uh the that which is beyond is right there so it's

01:54:32.640 like uh are we going towards it or is it coming towards us is a is a thing but when we talk about

01:54:38.720 like the practice of say that or we talk about the practice of trance work and even in the lore when

01:54:43.200 we talk about like um or krigerson saga where the the the vidki sends his soul out to see the

01:54:50.720 spiritual health of the land that uh that is iceland yeah that is that projection uh that

01:54:58.800 again but if you're in a place where you you pass through or you see a glimpse uh when the when the

01:55:06.560 uh the name eludes me right now but uh seeing in helgefell when he or he sees the dead through the

01:55:11.920 crack in the mountain what he's seeing is the preparation for him his ancestors are waiting

01:55:18.800 uh that again if you could simply take one step outside of yourself how far do you have to travel

01:55:24.960 when you're going through everything that's around us so seeing those things

01:55:30.160 is you know is a viable part of our of our faith um it's it just again it's it's it's very

01:55:38.720 nuanced because it's described in snippets and it's described in in certain ways that we can

01:55:44.080 collectively gather and look at and comprise an understanding from that observation that's what

01:55:49.680 we do with the the components of the soul is again these snippets exist in lore we bring them all

01:55:55.280 together and then we we as gothar try to um put them together to make a better understanding but

01:56:02.480 yes i i believe there is the ability that we can um uh press forward and outward even i always say

01:56:11.760 all you have to do is take one step i think a lot of people have the understanding that it's some

01:56:17.200 great distance and it is but the idea again is is that um like lenses the the realms the cosmology

01:56:25.040 of all are kind of overlapped we we separate them to understand them to understand the upper to

01:56:31.760 understand the middle to understand the lower but all of those things are really kind of coalescing

01:56:37.600 together in the same absolutely so everything that's fun said um but the hammer you have a

01:56:52.480 astral vessel of the self that people

01:56:56.880 either through extreme circumstance it can be sent out like you mentioned in a near-death experience

01:57:08.000 but also in a controlled way for the very advanced um vitki um that you can send out i did uh

01:57:19.840 I forget which volume this was in. There is a three-part series called Introduction to Magic

01:57:27.920 put out by the Ur Group, which was a magical, esoteric group that Julius Evolo was part of.

01:57:39.080 And there's an exercise in there that's really interesting. Some of it is nonsense,

01:57:43.700 some of it's amazing. It's a collection of a bunch of different articles by members of this

01:57:49.540 group and if that is something you're interested in i would highly encourage you guys i think

01:57:57.940 let's say inner traditions made the three trans english translations of that

01:58:04.420 um but that's very interesting if that's an interest you guys have uh i did a

01:58:09.460 But I did an exercise in that. And it's about visualizing yourself as outside of yourself. And forget all of the nuances of it. The idea was, you know, lay in your bed and to see the ceiling.

01:58:35.460 and then as you focus on you know to see a few inches outside of of your head as if you exist

01:58:46.260 you know three inches in front of your your quote unquote third eye

01:58:50.460 and then to kind of roll from side to side but continue to look straight up at the ceiling

01:58:59.020 as if you can continue to be outside of yourself looking at that perspective

01:59:05.220 as your eyes roll all the way over to a different space.

01:59:09.860 And this all sounds whatever, but it was very interesting.

01:59:14.940 And trying to do that through meditation for a long time,

01:59:18.300 I got to a point where I conceived of myself as a ball of energy

01:59:23.840 just a few inches away from my face,

01:59:28.820 but as that was myself outside of my body.

01:59:33.820 and it was a really interesting experience but it it taught me a little bit about

01:59:40.940 our soul complex and the difference between self and and leak between eck soul and leak

01:59:50.300 and that all may sound like gobbledygook to you guys and i i get that but i encourage you guys

01:59:55.980 to explore that on your own if it's something that's interesting and i think those two books

01:59:59.660 are really good um a really interesting thing to read on the subject of some of the things

02:00:07.180 that we're talking about you uh i just wanted to say the the woman that um was in the trance

02:00:14.380 like state that saw the the grandparents behind um the distance between the land or the the folk

02:00:21.980 soul or the land of the dead or the place beyond the veil and the real time that she was in in

02:00:27.660 that trance-like state is is irrelevant it's one step it's a thousand leagues it's whatever it

02:00:33.340 needs to be but she did seem to project forward i don't think that my my grandparents were

02:00:38.780 physically there as that she was seeing or being able to move herself into the state of being able

02:00:46.700 to see them even though again the difference between a thousand leagues and uh you know

02:00:53.980 one step away in the material to the meta if you will is cannot be measured she simply was

02:01:02.780 there but also saw a great distance while they were also there but also a great distance

02:01:10.700 if you will so apparently uh other folks can hear my daughter in the background she likes to

02:01:17.180 reject herself by seeing how high pitch she can scream she's very impressed by the the noises that

02:01:23.580 her little body can make so uh she is she is flexing those to the best of her ability

02:01:30.460 echoing those more as it approaches bedtime

02:01:37.180 there she goes again so as i as it were so monk asked this question and i think that we've covered

02:01:43.500 it but i'd like to you know go into it a little bit more if the soul is no longer you after you

02:01:48.460 pass then how does it help to talk to our ancestors if they're not themselves or do not understand so

02:01:56.540 absolutely i believe the soul is you after you pass the different pieces so the soul that portion

02:02:03.820 of the soul complex is you and it's like a chalice that the rest of these things dissolve into

02:02:14.060 um you cast off the parts of your mind that are on mundane earthly stuff and tedium

02:02:23.100 you don't need those anymore but your thinking and your comprehending and your strategizing

02:02:27.740 for deeper spiritual things dissolves into that that liquid your your meaning your your memory

02:02:35.100 and swan came up with this chalice analogy i'm not trying to not trying to steal this off of

02:02:39.740 them i'm using because i think right now i think it's a beautiful thing and i'm looking forward to

02:02:45.660 seeing seeing this in art but yeah if you look at the screen this is really cool so all of these

02:02:51.420 pieces the extraneous breaks off and the rest of them dissolve into this soul cocktail if you will

02:02:59.900 um and the idea of being a great vitki is to be a mixologist of this to where you can

02:03:10.380 get the best of this soul cocktail that gets made here if that doesn't extend the metaphor

02:03:16.360 a little bit too far um but yeah that soul that soul yourself that does transcend and that doesn't

02:03:26.660 break off these external pieces hymenia philia um

02:03:36.580 you can send out the hammer but specifically hymenia philia and pieces of the mini

02:03:46.420 you can bestow those as an inheritance on people in your family line or of your racial stock

02:03:54.020 especially if ritually they imbue you with that by by calling upon your name to name the child

02:04:01.400 but no month that's where I've always been as well you can't have one for one um 100

02:04:08.480 reincarnation and still talk to your ancestors at your altar you got to pick up the phone and call

02:04:16.280 whoever got their soul and that's just not that's not a truth that we experience and here's here's

02:04:23.960 the other thing. We don't know. Svon and I are doing our best to convey the truth that we do

02:04:31.260 know to you guys. What we're telling you is true, but we don't pretend that what we're telling you

02:04:37.880 is the whole truth. There's more and hopefully Svon and I and everyone on this learn more of

02:04:45.860 this and can parse this out better as we grow in our understanding and in our faith. And as the

02:04:52.860 gods and our ancestors bless us with better understanding. But as it is, we know to be true

02:04:59.860 that when we go to our altar, when we reach out to our ancestors, they hear us, they reach back,

02:05:05.720 they have the capability of reaching back and blessing us. We know that to be true. I know that

02:05:11.320 for a thousand percent fact, because I felt it in my life, in my soul, I've seen it, it is.

02:05:18.240 so i have to work from that truth to make sense of other things that are more speculative

02:05:25.620 that being said when we're at our altars we reach out to our ancestors they hear us

02:05:30.920 anything else has to fit around that because that is in fact true

02:05:36.040 it's fine do you have anything to add to that no i'm just super stoked i would really wish i'd

02:05:43.700 given that image to uh to nick nick before but we didn't get to use it last week but or two weeks

02:05:49.840 ago but yeah the the ek and and all of those things fall into the containment of the sal

02:05:54.760 um it's it's it's really the huer and the leak that kind of fall away here um but everything

02:06:02.280 else yes remains and and the memory and that self the ego the das ein the the conceptualized

02:06:10.360 itself and the existence of living carry on uh to the to the folk soul it that is what

02:06:17.080 is important about when we cross that bridge and get to reunite with our ancestors why it's so

02:06:23.560 important so swan you often have expressed concerns about your clock and wanting to uh

02:06:32.200 get rid of that or get in a studio situation where that noise isn't in the background but

02:06:36.520 it's become part of the show we have ah hail swans clock the show is complete now that's a that's a

02:06:44.200 part of your thing you got to keep it going it's part of a beautiful clock one day i'll take a

02:06:49.700 picture of it we can we can have uh nick like put it up somewhere there you go it is it is the

02:06:55.200 the third guest on the program.

02:07:02.040 All right, next question.

02:07:06.080 Reichsrichter,

02:07:07.960 I randomly found this channel.

02:07:11.600 If the gods themselves can die,

02:07:13.660 does Alcetru believe in something similar

02:07:15.740 to the one from Platonic philosophy?

02:07:18.960 The one being what everything ultimately

02:07:21.240 emanates from.

02:07:23.860 Um, no, and that's interesting. Um, no, the more we venture into that territory, the more we

02:07:33.880 become universalists. We believe in the unique identity of our gods as sovereign spiritual

02:07:41.500 powers. Uh, but what I will say is it's interesting to contemplate death from the

02:07:48.480 God's point of view. No, we don't believe the gods die in the sense that they cease to be.

02:07:56.540 But the gods do transition into different forms. What we talk about as living and dying

02:08:05.640 is our existence in Midgard. Those words mean very different things to the gods. And the

02:08:15.060 example that I have is balder so balder dies and you know much of our lore is about the death of

02:08:24.260 balder so he dies he dies to the point where he is on a funeral pyre and everything in creation

02:08:32.580 but one thing weeps and great ceremony is made on this funeral pyre

02:08:40.020 Thor even kicks a dwarf a dwarf into the funeral pyre um so there's this whole scene it's a thing

02:08:49.860 this funeral happens but balder is living and existing in the halls of hell Hela

02:08:59.400 um hosts him in royal fashion he's a prince of of ausgard and when the gods send

02:09:11.380 messengers beyond the veil to speak with him and to speak

02:09:15.940 to interact he is there so he exists in that state of death

02:09:22.720 he then comes back after after the events of ragnarok now we think that a lot of the things

02:09:34.780 in the the ideology of ragnarok are very symbolic but in mythic time and in the sense and even in a

02:09:41.280 very literal way of understanding our lore at no point does balder cease to exist as the god balder

02:09:50.000 He exists in Ausgard, and when he has to go to the underworld, he has a feast laid out for him.

02:09:58.120 He sits at the table.

02:09:59.200 He sits in the high seat and is the glorious Prince Balder in the land of death.

02:10:07.000 And then when he is able to return from the underworld to the upper world, he returns as bright balder.

02:10:15.300 So death doesn't exist for our gods in the same way that that word means when it applies to mortals.

02:10:27.480 In a sense of finality, but that's because of the nature of Midgard.

02:10:33.240 so when we die again our self especially the more developed we are spiritually

02:10:40.920 maintains intact beyond death and in the land beyond the veil and we too have the ability

02:10:50.040 to come back and interact in different ways sometimes those ways are very very subtle

02:10:55.160 sometimes the more advanced we are or the more perceptive those we are interacting with

02:11:01.080 the more profound our interaction with those in midgard is but certainly if if we

02:11:10.440 unless we're complete dirt bags don't get compartmentalized into different portions

02:11:15.240 and put back in the folk soul if our soul exists after the life in midgard and certainly our gods

02:11:24.440 who are potent masters of these spiritual things continue to exist and come back to their to their

02:11:33.560 holy positions they just move position on that tree due to that if that makes sense it's fine

02:11:40.840 can you break that down a little bit for folks yeah i was going to say that it's so important

02:11:45.640 for the arian mythos to understand the upper middle and lower and the movements that happen

02:11:50.760 between them the movements of heading eastward in the middle and westward in the middle or

02:11:55.880 up to the gods or down low these these uh aren't actual physical directions but are

02:12:02.440 an understanding of the arian mythos of time material and the divine uh you know in the

02:12:09.160 beginning there are only two realms that exist there is the the cosmic fire and the cosmic ice

02:12:15.000 and um and and the space between and in that space there are three things that elementalize themselves

02:12:20.600 there is the tree and there is the roarer and there is the benevolent one the the hornless or

02:12:27.880 unmallet cow or oxen that she she is life and biological and the force of life

02:12:35.560 emir of course being that he is the material and the resistance of all energy and movement

02:12:41.720 and yggdrasil is that emanation the only thing closest to that i could say that when you're

02:12:47.480 you're talking about the one it's not the same but yggdrasil is seen as a center point of that divine

02:12:53.640 space but that doesn't mean that the gods like emanate from uh yggdrasil so it's it's it's not

02:13:01.400 the same um i've come i've seen people converse about this a lot and i i i've tried to conceptualize

02:13:09.400 how there could be some connective tissues and thought but the gods themselves are the gods

02:13:16.520 manifest beings willful and entirely upon them their own and the the encapsulation of placing

02:13:25.360 when when when a god and specifically in that story that the god goes to the lower world to

02:13:31.320 that connection point to the one of the two realms that existed before all things

02:13:36.260 encapsulation in niflheim is pertinent to the future and that has another great arian mythos

02:13:44.540 conceptualization for us is that encapsulation. He doesn't die in the sense of like how we would

02:13:52.740 say death or ceasing to exist. It's the same with Buri and Buri and his call to the root

02:13:59.920 to Nefelheim or to Bor and Besla as they ascend into the tree and even to Imir Sol that falls

02:14:07.640 and and choose on the roots um they don't they they die but are changed and their existence

02:14:15.000 transforms into something else um and again that's the same with the soul with us as well as

02:14:21.960 we transform and cross over those liminal spaces of water as we we call them in our in our stories

02:14:28.140 the rivers there are many rivers the rivers in heaven the rivers in the middle and the rivers

02:14:32.280 below and every time the gods move in between um these sacred spaces whether they're moving around

02:14:39.880 in heaven or whether they're moving around in between the middle and heaven or the middle and

02:14:44.680 below they're always traveling over these rivers and we are too we are in essence dissolving and

02:14:52.600 re-coagulation coagulating on the other side if you will through these liminal spaces

02:14:57.640 and um and then so therefore that would entail that it's never seen as permanent you know that

02:15:04.800 the root that that falls into urgs well in heaven and the root that falls into the material in the

02:15:11.100 middle and the root that falls into the proto matter of of the beginning um all fall into the

02:15:18.880 well springs and and those roots draw back up that's why need hog is trying to destroy that

02:15:24.140 bottom root is to break that cycle the cycle of the drawing up back to that tree but the tree

02:15:30.780 itself is not seen in our faith as being having a manifested mind or will but simply is and and

02:15:39.660 creates and and is onslaughted upon by chaotic forces and so the gods are protecting that

02:15:47.180 that center from those those forces ultimately culminating in what you know we call that

02:15:53.180 twilight of the gods the ragnarok um and so i i wouldn't say that they are of the one and and

02:16:02.620 it's also very important in our stories to know that yggdrasil is um is external from the gods

02:16:11.100 when when the gods are are shaped when the first of the house are shaped he sees the tree and then

02:16:16.780 moves to it from where he where his father was was born in in niflheim where he was shaped and then

02:16:23.980 bore goes and lifts up to to bear forth bore to bear up that which is heaven and so the upper

02:16:33.180 middle and lower world are we use those in in symbolic terms of of far away from time the

02:16:40.220 ordering of time and the existence of time there's lots of different meanings and some people think

02:16:46.060 like oh do you believe that if you just shoot a rocket straight up you're just gonna hit the up

02:16:51.980 land or if you dig a drill down you're gonna hit the under land no these are that's much more uh

02:17:01.100 it's bigger than that if you will it's not as uh rudimentary as that as i think a lot of people

02:17:06.300 try to make it so seeing the gods as a manifestation from the one uh i mean perhaps you could even

02:17:14.700 consider maybe navelheim as the the proto material oneness but it again is not seen as a

02:17:24.060 organo gap itself yes i mean it's it's always that we in our in our arian stories they there's

02:17:30.780 always the the two polarics that create the tripartite there's some questions that are just

02:17:36.140 unanswerable um as far as will goes absolutely as far as what comes before that's one of those

02:17:44.140 uncomfortable questions because there's never an answer. Well, cool. What was there before the

02:17:49.340 gods? Well, Ganunga Gap. Okay. What was there before Ganunga Gap? I don't know. But if I did

02:17:56.200 and I gave you an answer, it would necessitate, well, what was before that? And you could go

02:18:00.460 ad infinitum to that. It's one of those things that our brains aren't, we can't come to a

02:18:07.040 conclusion on that. Svon is anticipating two weeks from now, our episode we're going to do

02:18:15.660 on cosmology, which Svon is particularly excited about. And he will lay that all out for us in a

02:18:22.660 right now. I know he's trying to, he's trying to, he's trying to jump ahead.

02:18:29.280 yeah so chomping at the bit that's that's okay that's okay um

02:18:34.020 oh also over on the side you can't upgrade your camera apparently either because your clock and

02:18:41.600 your blurry camera are all part of the fun yeah it's like my my camera has like a candle in the

02:18:47.420 back it's like some it just needs to be a yellow sepia filter there needs to be it's it's all part

02:18:53.640 of the show um blurry camera and i remember last last time you were on talking about i forget what

02:19:01.260 you were doing but with your like robo spawn yes the ais yeah the deep fake um i i have i have a

02:19:11.740 curse with technology i had a a different camera running in the beginning but it created an echo

02:19:17.000 so we had to cut and go back yeah if you guys didn't see at the beginning when all this was

02:19:21.660 not working we had no spawn couldn't hear what was going on his camera was awesome

02:19:27.080 yeah it worked great that his camera looked looked on point all right so next question is with death

02:19:35.920 as the inevitable end to all of our paths what simple words can you offer to help people come

02:19:43.840 to terms with that. I don't think death is the inevitable end of our paths, but it is an inevitable

02:19:54.740 threshold that we will face. What I do say to come to terms with that is to, in your own life,

02:20:06.460 Do what you can to build your life as a monument to your glory and your greatness that transcends death.

02:20:21.740 We have a very limited time here in Midgard.

02:20:24.980 you only have so many days so many hours and you don't know how many you have

02:20:34.660 to accomplish great deeds aussie true isn't about thinking it's not about

02:20:42.000 intentions it's about doing what have you done that you'll be remembered for what are you doing

02:20:53.280 Make these days count, every single one of them.

02:20:58.260 But to those that you lose beyond the veil,

02:21:03.980 know that if you live right and you're worthy,

02:21:08.680 and you'll see them again,

02:21:10.580 visit them frequently at your altar.

02:21:14.500 Speak to them and speak of them.

02:21:16.980 What we do to resurrect a piece of that person in Midgard is to tell their stories, to sing their songs, to raise horns in their honor, to raise tombstones, to raise monuments and statues, to talk about their glory and teach that to our children.

02:21:40.400 As long as we speak their names, they hear us, and a little bit of them lives on in Midgard with us, as long as that goes on.

02:21:57.080 Keep their memory alive. Keep their presence in Midgard alive by speaking of them and telling their stories.

02:22:05.660 Svon, what do you have to offer?

02:22:07.680 i think that when you spoke of your grandmother it's we have and we know this feeling of them

02:22:17.840 watching us hearing us and so one condolence to this is that we not only should you seek to be

02:22:26.760 witnessed by the gods through your deeds and achieve those those great deeds and be remembered

02:22:31.720 by those here and that we here should take great care and remembering it's also worth noting that

02:22:38.520 they are waiting for us that when we do go we are not alone that that nipas cave that inevitable end

02:22:46.920 that you speak of that's the end of our time in the middle not the end of our time in the hole

02:22:51.960 And so, Garmar is waiting, Hela is drawing us closer, but that's just our time in the middle, and then we go down, or we go away, or we go from the time, and they are there, and then we can send parts of ourselves.

02:23:13.140 And here are those that remain, hear their prayers, give them boon. It doesn't end. It just, the inevitable end of the path is the taking of the next path in your woed self or the attainment of your woed self at this stage to the best of your ability.

02:23:36.920 and you should try to attain it and make it the most virulent before you leave and if you make it

02:23:42.760 the most most virulent that the gods will see it and take you up that's the that's the ultimate as

02:23:51.480 we want the woad self to be noted in this this this uh area is the crucible the middle is the

02:23:58.520 crucible the gods are watching the vow father chooses you you want to be chosen or brought up

02:24:05.880 because your woed self is so, your deeds are so strong.

02:24:10.380 But not everyone is a king.

02:24:15.140 Not everyone is the attainment of that complete self.

02:24:19.820 The hierarchy of our actions and our deeds

02:24:22.220 still denote that all of us are pushing forward,

02:24:26.540 pushing upwards, building, making better, making brighter.

02:24:30.400 And when we are no longer able to do that anymore,

02:24:33.200 we do get to go to them and watch and see and help build forward build upward even beyond

02:24:41.360 it's just our path here physically in the middle is is done so i think this next question is

02:24:50.880 a really good thing to bring up but i don't feel like it's a question i feel like it's a statement

02:24:58.560 either way i think that it's very worth noting and i suppose my preamble to it is kind of my answer to

02:25:05.600 it how similar is the thinning of the veil between death galder and dreaming yes um

02:25:18.480 um pointing out that

02:25:25.680 through dying through ritual and in dreaming

02:25:33.840 all are ways to access the world beyond the veil

02:25:44.400 yeah those things are all i mean galder is

02:25:48.480 random. It can be used for a lot of different purposes. If your Galdr is to connect beyond

02:25:57.240 the veil, it is a powerful tool to help facilitate that. Through any magical or ritual practice that

02:26:05.980 that is your intention, that is a way of approaching the veil and reaching beyond it

02:26:12.260 um and connecting beyond it near-death experiences literally put part of your soul

02:26:20.260 beyond that veil that ends up coming back so i think that if your intention is to reach beyond

02:26:26.900 the veil that's uh the most dangerous way to do it it reminds me of that movie flatliners

02:26:32.500 um if anybody hasn't seen that you should watch that it's a really good movie

02:26:38.020 it's been a long time since i've seen it i make a lot of 1980s references bear with me

02:26:44.260 um it's a cool movie regardless i stand by it and i stand by the a-team today anyway to die

02:26:51.940 but uh in dreams and in that dream state or the trance state is often a way that we are open

02:27:03.300 to messages from beyond the veil and i think that's really important that you bring those things out

02:27:10.740 in any of those endeavors happening in the fall in the winter time i think are

02:27:21.300 more auspicious for those to work out i think that's easier and just the ebb and flow of our

02:27:30.260 life cycle at that time of the year is such that we are more susceptible to that what else i think

02:27:37.620 makes us more susceptible to that is going to locations of spiritual power or of thinning

02:27:45.940 beyond the veil we're going to get into this more in the next question which i'm glad was asked

02:27:51.780 because if not, we're going to have to segue into it. But graveyards, funerary sites, altars,

02:28:03.620 horgs, hoffs, areas of spiritual potency, the more ritual is done there and their sanctification

02:28:14.220 separates them from the mundane. And while they exist in the mundane world, they transcend and

02:28:22.220 they exist beyond. In a way, all of those things are portals beyond the veil, be it portals to

02:28:31.740 speak more directly with our gods, or conduits rather. Again, mortal language fails me,

02:28:39.120 But they are places to where you are in a better position to reach beyond the veil, and for those beyond the veil to reach to you.

02:28:51.120 In vase, on any kind of holy and sanctified ground or sacred space, at someone's tomb, in the presence of their remains, there is a connection point there that facilitates that contact in a more visceral and more potent way than other places.

02:29:10.020 in an area in your home that you've made as as your altar what happens

02:29:16.500 when you perform spiritual acts in a place

02:29:22.600 there is something that's left behind and something that's altered in the ether of this

02:29:30.220 world about that the more you do that over the march of time the more special and the more

02:29:38.280 potent that place is. There's a lot of ways that all of this is psychological and placebo to you.

02:29:45.840 If it works, that still counts. But objectively, it's true as well. The two synergize. If a place

02:29:54.900 is spiritually special to you because you do a lot of ritual there, it puts your mind and it

02:29:59.960 calibrates you into a much more spiritual place when you're there doing ritual. But it also is

02:30:06.160 independently potent so those two come closer together making that a powerful portal to beyond

02:30:14.720 i have more to say but i know that it's coming up in the next couple of questions i will get to it

02:30:19.520 then swan do you have thoughts on that i just the only thing i wanted to go in on was uh the mention

02:30:26.320 of dreaming remember too our mini is not just a receptacle of our memories but it's also the

02:30:34.240 memories of and the boon often ascended from our our uh our ancestors it's it's that memory

02:30:42.240 that exists that is given um that that ascension if we were to talk about the ancestors being able

02:30:49.920 to send up the root they're the boon of memory that memory is an advantage and as it does come

02:31:00.160 down goes up the root and down the tree and into the erd well from that from the the realm of order

02:31:07.600 the realm that orders time there resides the elevated dc or the alvar the they're kind of in

02:31:15.360 between when we are born we are bestowed those gifts from our ancestors through them that's why

02:31:22.720 we talk about them we ask them to bless us we pray to them they are like ancestors or they are

02:31:28.560 ancestors but they are viscerally connected in this middle world is almost like guardianship

02:31:35.120 and in that boon that they give you oftentimes that birth is memory that blood memory

02:31:40.640 and that memory resides in you and is oftentimes when you're younger and they're everything is

02:31:47.200 mucked about as a child and in a good way um we we see and have a deeper connectivity as

02:31:54.480 As we grow older and we start to formulize some things in our lives, I wouldn't say organize, but at least make it formalized, we have a tendency to build barriers.

02:32:03.080 And sometimes those memories seep out when you're sleeping and the mini bleeds into the huer.

02:32:10.820 so the mini memory that's given to you at birth by the desir or by your ancestors and that boon

02:32:17.560 and that ascension that they give you uh it seeps up in the night when you're when you're when your

02:32:23.280 formulization is down and so sometimes the the messages that are given are are like messages

02:32:31.800 or like a recording if you will in the sense that it's in the memory it's in the mini it's in the

02:32:38.800 blood and sometimes it comes about because of uh deep trance like states deep or or uh stressful

02:32:46.960 situations and while you're sleeping that those spaces between the hue would and the mini thin

02:32:54.160 and that message comes out and it usually comes out quite timely because the dcr are connected to

02:33:00.160 the weird that plays out in the individual's line um so i i wanted to go with that with dreaming

02:33:07.840 and gold is another one and where when you say gold that i immediately we're talking about spells

02:33:14.560 and i think that the elsewhere ago they went with the the intention is what he said you know if you

02:33:19.680 are if you're speaking gold or with that intention and gold doesn't necessarily even have to strictly

02:33:25.680 allocate itself to runes uh and we do believe that gold is a form of weaving power through our

02:33:32.880 our our voice our mouths are and so in essence doing that with the runes and and opening those

02:33:39.280 thresholds that's one type of that but goldering can also be in an essence the magical potency of

02:33:45.520 prayer um we call our altars heroes and and the hero has two meanings one it's the it's it's

02:33:52.880 something that scratches the ground when you when you're about to lay seeds so it's it's the it

02:33:58.000 cuts the threshold also it has another meaning in in english as to call out oftentimes you'll

02:34:04.240 hear people say a harrowing call and oftentimes it can be negative now that the connotations have

02:34:10.000 changed um over time but to call out so it's the place in which we uh thresh through the boundary

02:34:19.040 and we call out that's what the harrow is that's what the altar is um in at the harrow in the

02:34:25.520 repeated sense of calling out to building that bridge to the gods building that bridge between

02:34:31.520 our folk and the gods and asking the gods to build that bridge to us and that reciprocation process

02:34:38.080 at the hero repeatedly over and over and over again builds visceral might and it's kind of

02:34:45.120 funny to think about it as like can something be objective and subjective at the same time

02:34:49.600 but in in relation to this situation yes the the truth and the potency of it is objective

02:34:55.280 The the amount can be subjective because sometimes it can happen without repetition or without sacral place.

02:35:02.800 It can it can happen in a moment. And again, the gods are the wild card.

02:35:06.700 They can they have. I'm not going to claim that I know that of what they can do.

02:35:12.960 But from what we through repeated observations go with is that when we call there, when we speak out, when we speak out in prayer, when we call to the gods,

02:35:24.480 When we when we speak out in a specific place, a specific time or or repeatedly over and over again, we are threshing that that ground, making it fertile, making it in between, breaking it apart.

02:35:36.820 And we're calling out through it. And so that, too, has its potency of thinning the veil, if you will.

02:35:44.760 um it's just in a slightly different sense in a more conscious sense sense um sometimes it can

02:35:50.080 supersede consciousness when there's a lot of people involved in the in the bloat and everyone

02:35:55.780 is is uh you know galdering or singing or or saying a prayer uh quite physically and out loud

02:36:03.320 what we're doing is we're threshing with sound wave through that veil and so galder like dreaming

02:36:09.660 do have the ability to transcend through those, they're just different. One is, I would say,

02:36:15.920 more passive while you're sleeping, and the other is quite physically active. So that's all I wanted

02:36:21.520 to discuss about and hold the line for a minute. I appreciate that.

02:36:31.380 um i throw back these beers during our conversation and they necessitate a potty

02:36:41.440 break every now and again um six hours last time that was rough that was a i got up i got a few

02:36:48.500 times less i got i'm like a camel i just hold on to it i don't that's this that's this bad for

02:36:57.040 your nether regions oh wait no no it's because i'm ai that's i don't have to i do know elon musk

02:37:04.240 has told me i do not need to pee there you go um i only have two and a half hours nowadays

02:37:14.080 ah next question is okay and this this goes into something that i did want to make sure we did

02:37:20.320 cover tonight so i'm glad that you asked this shape what are an outsider's funerary rights so um

02:37:30.320 a couple few things in the afa our preferred

02:37:38.240 handling of remains is cremation as opposed to burial it's not a hard rule it's a preference

02:37:46.480 over the march of eons our people have gone back and forth into a number of different ways

02:37:55.120 we talked about the process of

02:37:59.920 shedding parts of your soul in pieces and integrating pieces

02:38:07.060 it was believed by our ancestors and believed by us today that at cremation you

02:38:16.480 You speed that process way up because the lich in minutes falls away.

02:38:27.360 And so your soul and the other pieces of your soul complex are released to do, you know, to break apart, to do their things in an immediacy that's not present with burial.

02:38:40.880 And we see this a lot as the cult of the Aesir is celebrated more in Europe and specifically as the cult of Odin moves in.

02:38:54.160 We have a lot of our very, very early cultures defined by their burial urns and by the designing and the structure and the style of their urns.

02:39:06.940 very often a misnomer is when we talk about burial mounds as if there's a body within the mound

02:39:15.720 what very often happened was you'd have your pyre and you would do a cremation

02:39:20.860 and then you would mound up dirt over top of that pyre over top of the cremation site

02:39:27.420 but in modern austro in the austro folk assembly typically a cremation is observed

02:39:35.860 One thing that we try to do, ideally, if we can be at a viewing before a body is cremated, but we'll do this with the ashes or remains afterwards, we have some sacred words that are go far whisper to that, to that, the remains of that person.

02:40:04.340 And we inter them. Ideally, we inter them at one of our sanctified places, one of our hoffs.

02:40:15.740 I have been fortunate enough to participate in a number of funerals.

02:40:23.200 And it is not the most fun ritual that I get to do, but it might be the most meaningful to be called upon to do.

02:40:35.860 And I've been very, very honored that families have reached out and wanted me to perform that honor for one of their loved ones.

02:40:47.760 it's very much like you know anybody else's funeral in a lot of ways

02:40:55.200 I've always thought as a gothi one of the best things if you can

02:41:00.160 is to try to have people who cared about that person come up and speak and tell stories about

02:41:07.360 that person I think that is you know one of the best things that can be done

02:41:14.860 it's cool if the go-fi knows the person and has a lot to add on their own but it's

02:41:22.260 so much better if you can get people that knew this person and that this person had an effect

02:41:29.000 on their life to speak at those kind of events um but yeah i've performed performed several in a

02:41:37.540 number of different contexts. And because the world we live in and how things are, that's usually

02:41:45.900 the process. What I have seen done is the inclusion with the ashes in. So, okay, typically at a

02:41:56.640 a burial at one of our Hoffs or an interment in one of our Hoffs. We will inter a urn

02:42:06.420 of some sort that we want to be non-biodegradable, something stone or metallic that can stay there

02:42:14.960 and securely house the urn. And within that hole, we have deposited, very often,

02:42:23.200 deposited grave goods that is something that's happened that i've been part of

02:42:28.480 sometimes people have grave goods sometimes they don't

02:42:33.920 we make sure that at again at our facilities that the graves face to the west

02:42:44.560 and when i say face it all depends on you know how that looks on your perspective but the idea

02:42:51.360 the standard that we do is that whoever is visiting the grave and reading the tombstone

02:42:58.480 is looking to the west for a number of reasons we're looking west towards the setting sun

02:43:06.000 and west has always been the direction of the future into you know forward into new country

02:43:14.560 new undiscovered territory new conquest new discovery and so that's where we've how we've

02:43:22.960 positioned um the graves that we've done is so that we we look into into that future in the next

02:43:31.520 phase of that person's journey into the unknown and the undiscovered wills this would be a good

02:43:38.640 time to bring up wills it's always a good time to bring up wills

02:43:42.160 doyourownwill.com. Nick will throw up a link because he's cool like that. Everyone on this

02:43:53.900 broadcast, especially people named Svon and Nick, do your will and mail it to Alan Turnage.

02:44:04.160 Nick can also throw up the address that you're supposed to mail it to.

02:44:09.760 it's all there for those of you that might be please leave it up for just a second nick those

02:44:15.340 of you that might be listening to us on spotify you want to mail that to alan turnage a-l-l-e-n-t-u-r-n-a-g-e

02:44:26.780 at P.O. Box 1-6-0-2-7, Tallahassee, Florida, 3-2-3-1-7, doyourownwill.com.

02:44:40.760 This is really serious. I know I'm being kind of obnoxious.

02:44:45.800 It's free, and it's easy. Alan would like a signed, notarized copy sent to him.

02:44:54.260 So I want to talk about this.

02:44:58.060 There's a lot of reasons why people hesitate and don't do their wills.

02:45:04.940 Sometimes it's because you think you can do it later and you're too young and you're not going to die for a long time.

02:45:12.500 I get that, but life has a lot of surprises.

02:45:16.600 Sometimes it's, you know, you're scared it's too expensive to hire a lawyer and go through this whole process.

02:45:23.420 I've tried to fix that for us as best we can. DoYourOwnWill.com is free and I've had our

02:45:33.100 legal folks look into it as legally binding and completely legitimate. All 50 states. If you don't

02:45:39.960 live in the United States, you may have different options and that's okay. But if you live in the

02:45:46.760 U.S., that is a really, really good way to go. If you have a will through a lawyer or through

02:45:51.200 any other source. Send Alan a copy, please. So something to know. Your will doesn't mean

02:46:00.140 anything if no one knows you have a will. For example, my mom had a will. Now I'm her only

02:46:11.000 next of kin. It works out really well, but nobody asked me for it. Unless I offered

02:46:20.720 up to somebody that it exists, nobody knows. Letting your family members and other people

02:46:28.220 know that you have one is essential to getting your will done after you pass.

02:46:37.860 I've pushed this really hard for at least three years now.

02:46:42.000 um the afa is big enough now that we have members that pass away from time to time

02:46:51.060 unfortunately but it is what it is uh what is unfortunate is a number of those have been

02:46:58.560 young people that didn't know that their end was near or their end here in midgard is near

02:47:04.440 some of those have been elderly folks that were ill that knew they were dying still didn't get

02:47:14.660 their will done unfortunately many of these people have not had what they wanted done after they died

02:47:24.200 because their family wasn't of our faith and you know things happen if you get your will

02:47:34.240 to Alan that we have a document that's notarized like, hey, that's not what so-and-so wanted.

02:47:40.460 Let's make sure this happens. We can try our best at that point to make sure you get

02:47:46.640 what you want done with yourself and your estate after you pass.

02:47:52.820 I want to tell you a couple of things. There's an old man who's an AFA member,

02:47:59.280 Great guy, if you never met him.

02:48:02.800 He really wanted to have his remains at Thorshaw.

02:48:08.640 I spoke to him within a week of his passing, and he told me what he wanted.

02:48:14.780 But he didn't have a will.

02:48:16.900 And his family wanted to go a different route.

02:48:21.760 Unfortunately, that guy didn't get to be laid to rest at Thorshaw.

02:48:28.320 And that that sucks. And another member, he was elderly and he he was sick, he had cancer and he passed and he he wanted, you know, again, I talked to this guy within within a month of his passing and he wanted to be at Odin's off.

02:48:47.300 I wanted to have him there, but he didn't have a will.

02:48:52.540 So his his next of kin did something different.

02:48:55.780 had another member that passed and he was a young man

02:49:00.700 and his family had converted they were you know regular white folks but they converted to Judaism

02:49:08.280 he didn't have a will

02:49:11.120 he was really on our team

02:49:16.200 but now he's in a Jewish cemetery with Hebrew writing on his tombstone and it's not what he

02:49:24.500 would have wanted. But he didn't have a will. And if he did, we

02:49:31.280 didn't have a copy to make sure somebody enforced it. Please,

02:49:37.280 please do your will. Do it now do it while you listen to this

02:49:43.260 broadcast. It takes 10 minutes or less. And get Alan a copy.

02:49:50.540 please do this and it can always be updated it can always be updated

02:49:56.860 i've been asking for over three years

02:50:03.260 this is rhetorical because i don't really expect you to register

02:50:08.380 but guess how many copies that alan has how many wills does alan have after three years of me trying

02:50:14.540 this alan has two one of them is mine get your will to alan do your will please do your will

02:50:30.620 all right i will get back to the regular flow of the program i imagine we're losing

02:50:34.380 listeners but seriously do you will it's a it's important and it's it's hard to watch

02:50:41.020 when people who are members of our afa family pass and they don't get what they want done

02:50:49.020 because they didn't do this simple step that's why i'm being obnoxious about it please please do your

02:50:54.700 will um our next question is from nick could there be an alzharia githya would that be the term

02:51:05.580 random thoughts in my head yes there absolutely could be nick um and if there were that would be

02:51:13.020 the right term for it i'm just full disclosure putting it out there i think men are much more

02:51:23.260 naturally inclined towards that position and naturally suited to be priest kings in that way

02:51:31.260 way. But the world doesn't always work out that way. And sometimes we have ladies that

02:51:39.120 possess the qualities that are well suited for that position. Sometimes they possess

02:51:45.600 those qualities and measures that our men do not possess. So that could very well be

02:51:51.660 a circumstance and uh i would expect and hope that you guys would treat in all's harrier githia

02:52:02.700 should one follow me with uh the same deference and respect that you would treat me with

02:52:10.300 that's absolutely a thing that could happen i don't think that's in the history of the astro

02:52:16.380 folk assembly looking back on it a millennium from now i don't think that will be the norm

02:52:21.580 but that could very well be a circumstance and i think that uh that is an honor to any

02:52:28.700 woman that finds herself in that particular spot um gothi trent east asks gentlemen what

02:52:38.220 are your thoughts on the idea that avalon of arthurian legend is the same thing as alfheim

02:52:44.780 in the germanic world view swan what are your thoughts on that well i think the connection uh

02:52:51.020 the the the uh wording is you know like the land in the west the land to the west and if we talk

02:52:58.380 about it from a teutonic sense then yes that would be or it would be more uh akin to uh vanaheim the

02:53:04.780 waning land the land of the waning where the sun sets again westward um alvarheim or leos alheim

02:53:14.060 is seen as more as like this the the light in between um or the manifestation of of light and

02:53:22.380 heat and sound um so yeah i think from a dramatic sense but one thing that we can't discount is the

02:53:29.100 the possibility of the the gaulish um especially the bretons the or the welsh as they were called

02:53:37.740 um and and the the the isles the the people are our cousins of the isles and what they viewed

02:53:46.060 that as being for us it could be as something as simple as when we talk about northward and

02:53:51.420 downward as the nipa cave the end of the of the path in the middle to them the west could also

02:53:58.060 simply be the direction that is seen as the end um where the where the end of our path comes from

02:54:05.340 but if it if it is in correlation again with the avalon being vanaheim as well that correlation i

02:54:12.940 mean i could see it i'm not going to say it's so because i haven't re i couldn't come to any

02:54:18.780 definitive conclusions but i could see the comparisons very very easily and the idea

02:54:23.100 again of a returning um and returning king meaning that the king doesn't leave and go away from the

02:54:31.660 middle uh in either direction but goes westward so that he may return is an interesting point in

02:54:40.620 that story that i think may correlate to the idea of why the west was specifically mentioned

02:54:47.020 uh going back to the waning place so that one could come back to uh save aval or save albion

02:54:55.580 so we live in at minimum a three-dimensional world physicists talk about four dimensions

02:55:05.420 and other things unfortunately when we're drawing stuff on a flat plane we have two dimensions

02:55:14.140 so it's really hard and we run into this we talk about uh cosmology and we'll talk about

02:55:18.620 that here in a couple of weeks um so we got four directions you can go and

02:55:30.780 you can't really orient up and down very well you've got kind of north south east and west

02:55:38.220 the idea of stuff that's to the west be it avalon be it anything else is yes going away

02:55:45.820 from the land of men into and beyond that veil to a land from which there's not return

02:55:52.540 except in miraculous circumstance

02:55:57.660 very much that exists in the idea of alfheim the idea of the heavenly realms you transcending or a

02:56:09.580 hero getting on that boat and ascending to something beyond what they were by sailing west

02:56:17.180 to you know the holy isle to avalon we see that in death in a hero ascending

02:56:25.500 to something more to something higher to being called up to called up to the bigs as it were um

02:56:33.340 Um, and I, I do think you see that very profoundly in that myth. Uh, one thing that, that I will put

02:56:41.160 out there and, and seed, and there's much, much more to this in a different time and different

02:56:45.200 place, but Arthurian legend and myth, it has a Christian overlay to it, but it's very, very pagan

02:56:55.660 in its concepts. And it was never embraced or celebrated by the church in the time that it

02:57:01.380 was written. It was always shunned by the church fathers, because though it had a

02:57:07.920 Christian, you know, gloss over it, it was rooted very strongly in the traditions of pagan Europe.

02:57:19.320 Our next question, how does one balance one's karma when one thought their whole lives that

02:57:25.520 they were forgiven thanks to another religion i never felt satisfied i was actually uh forgiven

02:57:34.560 let's just say lots piles up over the years absolutely it does and one of the

02:57:43.840 again and i said this early when i talked about the dead babies thing

02:57:47.840 the answers that we have to questions aren't always the ones that are the most happy

02:57:57.680 but we do owe it to be the most honest um your time in midgard is finite

02:58:07.100 and if you are well advanced in your life and you've lived incorrectly for a really long time

02:58:17.840 You don't get a magic button that just erases everything. That's what Christianity says, and we believe that's a lie.

02:58:30.020 What you can do is spend your time from this moment forward doing right and counteracting that.

02:58:41.740 you can't press a button and eliminate everything negative that has occurred but what you can do is

02:58:49.840 outweigh it by the positive that you do and the closer you are to the finish line the more

02:58:56.320 you need to pick up the pace and start laying in positive layers

02:59:00.880 you can wash it away with heroic deeds and deeds of greatness and building amazing things that

02:59:09.160 dwarf it in comparison. But time keeps on slipping, and you've got to do it, you know,

02:59:17.500 you got to start now. I do think, and just like I talked earlier about relationships,

02:59:25.640 your ancestors and our gods understand. They understand a lot of things. They see where

02:59:30.260 you're coming from, and they know your intentions. And I'm sure that gets factored in.

02:59:35.400 But deeds factor in much more heavily. What you do, what you accomplish, what you build, what you leave for those behind you.

02:59:48.900 Those things are going to rebalance that karmic scale you talk about. They're going to rebalance your hymenia in a way that's the best and the most potent.

03:00:02.180 So spend from this moment on in the life you have, building things that counterbalance anything that you feel you've done wrong in your life.

03:00:15.300 I think that is the best way to rebalance that scale.

03:00:18.820 What are your thoughts on this, Fawn?

03:00:20.520 i think in one way when we talk about christianity because he or the question was brought up in the

03:00:28.540 idea of uh of being forgiven one thing it's worth noting and you just kind of hit on it was

03:00:34.800 they understand the gods are concerned with bigger things uh uh the the noticing of deeds of the

03:00:42.400 individual have to be great but the noticing of the folk as a group that is also a a great

03:00:49.300 testament to the gods that they can see the your ancestors understand too though like they have

03:00:54.980 lived they understand the this life and oftentimes the mistakes that are made if you get bogged down

03:01:01.700 in that that's where things that that continuation is bad but is that forgiveness it's not about

03:01:09.780 it's not about forgiveness it's about understanding the mistakes that we have made the again so i'll

03:01:15.460 here ago they keyed it in once you realize that your ancestors understand that the gods understand

03:01:23.060 given within the realm of like normalcy let's just hope we're not talking about the outliers

03:01:30.180 of great egregious acts of dishonor um uh you know kin slaying and great knee thing things like that

03:01:38.740 if we're talking about just the living life and making mistakes and doing doing wrong at times

03:01:46.180 when not knowing the full awareness of things now the key is to know that your ancestors understand

03:01:53.140 and then do deeds that both will build them in fame and honor and also bring glory and honor

03:01:58.660 and fame to the gods those two coalesce for you to leave this place with it with a

03:02:06.580 a upright spine with your chin up that you have the ability to to leave knowing that you you are

03:02:14.260 aware and you made your effort it's not the easier answer the easier answer i think is like if you

03:02:21.300 want to just accept forgiveness and then sit down on rest on your laurel and and you're you're you're

03:02:27.060 green-lighted for the afterlife and everything's going to be great so long as you uphold the

03:02:31.060 covenant of your of your agreement um that's not our way our way is on tackling that they understand

03:02:40.580 because they too have seen and then from there once you you lay that down you have to

03:02:46.820 do stuff you have to actually commit to deed and that's the hardest part for a lot of people

03:02:53.380 the hours the time the effort a lot of that really dissuades people people want religiosity that's

03:02:59.300 easy and unfortunately in a lot of ways we don't offer that this is because the gods don't offer

03:03:05.060 that life isn't about ease but it is about attaining deeds and you don't have to do great

03:03:13.540 deeds right away build slowly build in time seek help from your kin seek help from your your fellow

03:03:21.700 kith the the folks of your that you have frith with that's how you build and and and

03:03:28.980 god's willing you do it within the times you have here smiling that's really important um our whole

03:03:36.500 concept when uh when we talk about

03:03:45.300 justice in uh in aussitude it's very very different than the christian idea because

03:03:57.060 in christianity when you when you sin when you do wrong it's between you and god you've done

03:04:04.660 something wrong to jehovah or to christ or whatever you you're understanding of that

03:04:09.940 in a christian context is the only wrong you've done is violate stuff that jehovah told you to do

03:04:22.900 it's not even related to the person that you wronged and also true that's not how it works

03:04:32.420 the wrong you commit by doing something and violating something of another person

03:04:38.100 isn't a slap in the face of the gods yes the gods might judge you harshly for it

03:04:46.020 but you send against that person and you need to make it right the idea of

03:04:54.180 compensation for what you have taken is what's really important

03:05:00.900 you can't just like whoops my bad and it's all forgiven if you've taken some if you've stolen

03:05:07.140 from someone. You need to repay them. If you've taken something from someone that can't be repaid,

03:05:15.480 then you make an attempt to repay an equivalency. That's what the idea of wereguild was. If there

03:05:22.680 was a killing, you'd place some kind of worth on that person and repay that to the family to try

03:05:29.420 to make that right. If you've dishonored someone or embarrassed them in front of people,

03:05:37.140 if you've harmed their reputation, you would need to do something to restore

03:05:41.760 the amount of reputation that you've taken from them. Our understanding of absolution of

03:05:48.400 bad deeds is repairing the damage that you've done, and then the nicety of an apology. But an

03:05:57.940 apology, you know, and a quarter buys you a phone call. An apology does, has no value,

03:06:06.080 it doesn't feed anybody's kids it doesn't you know repair anything you broke an apology is

03:06:12.320 a nice gesture but it needs to be accompanied by rectifying the things that you've damaged

03:06:19.040 and so that is is very important as well and i think spawn brings bring some of that out

03:06:25.760 so this is another good question will there be a cemetery at each hof and at siggerheim

03:06:31.200 Absolutely. We have a cemetery right now at Odinshof that has two of our loved ones interred there. We have a cemetery at Thorshof that has one gentleman that predates our ownership of Thorshof, but we've done right.

03:06:49.820 We've restored his headstone.

03:06:53.260 We've gotten him a headstone that honors him.

03:06:55.760 We've taken care of his grave, and we honor that.

03:06:58.920 And he's ready to have folks join him when the time comes.

03:07:06.240 And interesting note, and this is kind of a cool thing at Sigurheim.

03:07:11.520 On the property, on the grounds of Sigurheim, we just found this out well after the purchase.

03:07:17.880 there is an existing graveyard there um what we know now and what we've seen is it's an old family

03:07:29.160 i think most of the graves are mid to late 1800s but an old family graveyard there

03:07:35.320 including one uh gentleman who was a revolutionary war veteran so we do have a graveyard there that

03:07:43.720 we will be expanding upon as a matter of fact i plan to lay my mother's ashes to rest there this

03:07:49.720 summer when i go down there at sigurblof so yes absolutely um one of the things so balder's hof

03:07:58.040 is within you know it's on a very small amount of land and it's within a city that way or i say a

03:08:05.640 city that's a very ambitious way to describe murdoch minnesota um it's it's in a neighborhood

03:08:15.080 in a setting to where we can't really have a big expansive graveyard

03:08:19.000 so what we will do with the ashes there is build a columbarium um to have have uh

03:08:26.120 vaults i guess you'd call them to put um urns in and then honor honor them there with name

03:08:37.880 plates and recognition in a in a beautiful columbarium there but yeah we will have place

03:08:43.080 to inter the ashes of our loved ones at every one of our hoffs absolutely i wanted to speak a little

03:08:48.840 bit about uh mr bethea's grave please do yeah uh what's fun start fresh is if nobody knows

03:08:55.000 anything about it tell the whole story if you would well just uh i think it's unique amongst

03:09:00.600 our faith because um you know we come across these places and we find these graves and we

03:09:05.640 we honor them because we honor the dead uh it is part of our faith so when we came to purchasing

03:09:13.560 thorsof we found there was a completely run over stone in the middle of the grounds and um we

03:09:23.080 dug it out and found that it was a gravestone and we found the base so it was cracked and

03:09:27.960 laid down and had been kind of forgotten about and upon talking to the mayor of the town who

03:09:33.320 attended that church when it was a christian church uh she had no idea that the grave even

03:09:39.560 existed which was really sad like i i'm not saying that's her fault but her even the congregation

03:09:44.200 itself before didn't seem to know uh we we ended up cleaning the stone and reading on it and then

03:09:51.160 we had uh genealogists from odin's hof go through and completely uh scour historical records of this

03:10:00.360 this gentleman and um we found his genealogy all the way to uh about the 1970s when they they left

03:10:08.760 the area um his name is philip buffet and it seems to us that his wife is actually buried

03:10:13.800 across the street we don't know the story as to why that that he's the only one there or if

03:10:20.280 he was removed and brought over there we don't know that so at the end of the day it is best to

03:10:26.760 show honor and respect for his for his spot so what we did is we cleaned it up and we have

03:10:33.320 cordoned the area off we know that he uh was buried in a christian burial um so we left the

03:10:39.000 the the stone there that that says uh his his uh uh religious affiliations but we built another

03:10:46.280 brand new stone and upon it we did our tradition of the life rune and the death rune and in it it

03:10:52.280 has his name and it says here you will be cherished and you will be remembered and then his stone is

03:10:57.000 beneath that and it is cordoned off separately by fencing and then the the the uh thorsof burial

03:11:05.480 ground will be built around that with another fence so he will have his spot and then extending

03:11:11.880 off of that will be where our uh our grave our our boat shaped graves or or um whatever if if

03:11:19.080 people want to do something more absolutely can do more um will be the your the remains are going

03:11:26.360 to be laid to rest there and um so it was really really beautiful to be able to um build his stone

03:11:33.720 clean his area that the area out and put a fence around it put flowers there and we we honor him

03:11:38.920 as we pass by a lot of times when we do our processions uh through the and around the back

03:11:45.000 uh when we do like the maypole or jumping the the fire and some of our cultural traditions we pass

03:11:50.840 by and uh oftentimes people leave little gifts there of flowers or or um bowls of of of mead or

03:11:59.320 beer uh simply as an offering of a gift and um it seems to be working uh that we've had some

03:12:10.440 interesting evidence of something happening there uh uh where it seems to be a goodly um

03:12:20.760 presence is is aiding us and helping us or at least being appreciative of um the things that

03:12:27.560 we're doing there and we we like to think that it's it's um a a sliver of him maybe his memory

03:12:35.080 his hammer uh is it's finally content but not saying him as a whole but we'll take what we can

03:12:43.800 get so that that's the story of the of the grave there but it was very very important to else here

03:12:48.120 ago the that we we we made it better than than and that's pretty low par in the sense that it was

03:12:55.000 forgotten but i mean we we really spent a lot of time researching going into this and and taking

03:13:01.880 great care of his um gravesite so this building was a functioning methodist church until

03:13:21.400 very you know i don't know about a year i think before the sale to us

03:13:30.760 congregation moved to a different church part across town

03:13:37.640 this grave is probably from

03:13:42.040 like between 1900 and 1910 just at the turn yeah um

03:13:51.400 And they kept records because this was cool. We were able to look online about the burial records there. Initially, they owned the church and the property across the street was one property, and that was a well-kept graveyard across the street.

03:14:10.300 It was split when we made our purchase.

03:14:18.620 They were aware there was a burial there because they put up little sticks there to where they didn't bust the lawnmower going over the tombstone chunks.

03:14:30.000 but there was a continuously operating congregation of Methodists there for the last 110 years

03:14:42.280 that watched this tombstone break down into pieces and decay and overgrow with grass

03:14:53.380 and eventually they just forgot about its existence

03:14:58.060 and that's so deeply offensive to me and to us so it was a big thing that was one of the first

03:15:09.400 things that we we focused on was trying to restore and honor that man in his grave

03:15:16.000 because it's the right thing to do um it's one of the things at sigerheim that i'm very much

03:15:23.200 looking into these graves have been dilapidated over the years. They've eroded. They've been

03:15:28.860 broken down. It's a mess. We're going to restore what we can, replace what we can't.

03:15:39.300 And we're going to take care and safeguard these people's resting place and their memories to the

03:15:44.840 best of our ability, because it's the right thing to do. Again, an ounce of truth is not what you

03:15:52.020 think it's not what you

03:15:53.880 want, it's not

03:15:56.160 what you woulda, shoulda, coulda, it's what

03:15:58.140 you do.

03:16:00.260 And that's something that we are going to do.

03:16:05.340 Monk asks,

03:16:06.560 what is heaven in Alcetru?

03:16:08.520 I thought that was Asgard.

03:16:10.280 I know this is something that Svan has spent

03:16:12.140 a lot of time on linguistically,

03:16:14.200 so he's going to answer that one.

03:16:16.880 This is a cosmology

03:16:18.220 question, so I'll be very brief so that

03:16:20.180 we can, Monk, we

03:16:21.980 can go over this much more next next uh episode but i'll say this much first and foremost i had

03:16:29.360 a a wonderful member he's he's very very smart and just inquisitive about things and he asked

03:16:36.240 me this very same question and and i um i found in that questioning this is the best way i can

03:16:42.260 place it we know that the word hell is our word it comes from our language it's a germanic word

03:16:48.660 and it means to to shroud or to cover um the word heaven is also our word and a lot of people don't

03:16:55.220 realize that or or if they are aware that yes hell is the word from our faith and they took it and

03:17:01.060 utilized it in the bible for the germanic bible they at least don't realize that heaven or heaven

03:17:08.660 and hymenia are our words that mean the greater upper expanse or the great above the the starry

03:17:16.740 expanse um and it's worth noting that ausgard is an encapsulated place just like midgard in our

03:17:25.060 faith midgard is spoken of as being encapsulated with vanaheim and jotenheim and then above and

03:17:32.820 below with leo self-heim and svarthafans with encapsulated ausgarder is encapsulated in heaven

03:17:39.780 because of the way in our stories it's spoken of the tree is there in the guild beginning it is

03:17:45.940 is spoken that the tree and the first root of the tree resides there in the wellspring uh earth as

03:17:52.020 well as it's called now or other others brunner um and they uh they they built ausgar in a place

03:18:02.100 they call either the plane of work but it's also called the starry expanse or the the place uh in

03:18:09.540 which things are built and it is surrounded by mountains and the highest mountain in our stories

03:18:16.820 is hymen bjork literally meaning heavenly mountain or heavenly mountains possibly but uh

03:18:25.860 hymen bjork is where heimdall stands on the edge of ausgard the entirety of heaven or the upper

03:18:33.620 world the expanse the the place in which the gods reside and where order descends down to

03:18:38.900 the middle as we've been reiterating in these uh stories um is is what we would call heaven just

03:18:47.780 like igrisil is sometimes called lerda there's many other names but the upper realm is hymenia

03:18:54.820 or heovanum and there resides the kingdom of the gods the ausgarther if you will so they are

03:19:02.900 are set there together but different if you were all right what is the afa's position on

03:19:11.620 transhumanism particularly life extension technologies

03:19:20.020 i'm sorry for a minute there i didn't see the question right away i was like oh boy here we go

03:19:25.460 no transhumanism oh

03:19:32.180 so the afa is very skeptical on anything that starts with the word trans

03:19:37.700 all right here we go right as far as

03:19:44.020 attempts to integrate

03:19:45.620 humanity with artificial intelligence and robotics and things that's kind of a beyond the pale

03:19:57.380 sci-fi deal when it comes with life extension in terms of medical innovations we're certainly for

03:20:08.300 longer life through you know better medicine and better medical treatment

03:20:13.460 When it comes to the idea of integrating man and machine to prolong life, that's got so many question marks, and I think our initial knee-jerk response to any of that is a negative one.

03:20:28.820 I'm very curious about the specifics of that and what that looks like.

03:20:34.400 I think that there is a fine line. Fundamentally trying to reject the natural course of life is bad, but as Aryans, what we have always done, there is a misunderstanding that how it's true is about, you know, nature worship.

03:20:59.100 We have tried to find dominance over our circumstance throughout our existence.

03:21:06.680 The creation of fire, the creation of walls and roofs to keep out the weather, to mitigate winter.

03:21:14.860 We've used technology throughout our history to bring the world around us into conformance with our will and our needs.

03:21:25.600 and so I think there's kind of there's a very fine line there and I don't know what that looks like

03:21:32.280 but I think that's something best to be discussed as it comes into existence the idea of some kind

03:21:39.500 of forced transhumanism is certainly something that we're against um yeah the ways that it

03:21:47.900 is rearing its head in common parlance and conversation is certainly things that we're

03:21:53.660 against. So I'm, I'm curious of that when it becomes more real of

03:22:00.100 discussing that in a very finite and real way. What are your

03:22:03.540 thoughts?

03:22:05.120 I'm in complete agreeance with you. I think that when we talk

03:22:08.720 about the innovation of things, we are an innovative people, we

03:22:11.900 seek innovation. I've had I have friends who have semi robotic

03:22:17.180 parts because of their loss of limb, and things like that. I'm

03:22:22.820 even down to um the uh even having an app connected to it to things like that um do i think that's

03:22:31.700 um i think that's fine in the sense that i i don't split that hair too deeply but yeah when

03:22:36.900 we are talking about say uh you know implants or forced implants definitely no but transhumanism

03:22:43.860 whether um at what point do we see when the innovation takes over for the betterment and

03:22:53.540 becomes innovation simply for innovation's sake at that point you're dealing with a worm you're

03:23:00.820 dealing with a a boring serpent that's going to gore its way through and so i think also through

03:23:10.660 and being noble and being of the folk comes with the precepts before that even happens is the idea

03:23:18.020 that we need to have the freedom and the ability to defend that freedom of saying no you know i

03:23:26.820 i think that we overthink some of these questions more than they're asked but i think that's just

03:23:31.300 our nature um when transhumanism equals like downloading your brain contents into a computer

03:23:44.820 database or something that becomes very very different and very confusing there's a lot of

03:23:51.220 questions that come into that um but when you look at how that progresses

03:23:58.100 in the terms of like if you have a pacemaker is that transhumanism if you have you know artificial

03:24:05.640 limbs is that trans you know what where does that line get drawn is very is very interesting

03:24:12.380 and we've seen a lot of mechanical innovations you know i had a friend of mine i used to joke

03:24:18.900 that he was a cyborg because what had happened was he was working at a at a liquor store and

03:24:27.600 two folks that didn't look like the rest of us broke in there and started assaulting the old

03:24:35.220 man that was, you know, managing the store. And my friend stepped in, uh, he's an ostracitor and

03:24:43.360 he stepped in and defended the old man and chased off the thugs. And in the process,

03:24:48.520 they beat him with a Jack full Jack Daniels bottle, caved in his face, broke his arm.

03:24:55.000 So he had like, you know, a whole bunch of metal pieces in his face and a whole bunch of metal pieces in his arm.

03:25:04.100 There is a level to where those kind of innovations are completely legitimate and awesome things.

03:25:10.000 One of the things that's really cool.

03:25:12.060 And again, this is going way beyond the question.

03:25:14.660 I understand that.

03:25:16.480 That's a good question, though.

03:25:18.060 It's cool to run into a time where our prosthetics have gotten as good as they have been.

03:25:23.740 especially when we have so many of our folk that have been uh been maimed in uh iraq and afghanistan

03:25:36.700 one of the bars i used to work out we had a metal detector on people coming in

03:25:41.020 and this blew my mind there was this guy that came in and the thing was just going off like

03:25:46.140 it was christmas it was just fourth of july everything's going crazy and he empties his

03:25:52.140 pockets he put everything out didn't understand what the problem was eventually i'm like dude

03:25:56.860 what is going on he lifted up both pant legs from the knee down on both legs he had completely

03:26:05.260 artificial prosthetic legs i couldn't tell the guy was walking completely normal balancing

03:26:12.300 completely normal it was really amazing and i think you know that's a real special thing in

03:26:21.340 a time when so many young men have been damaged in that way going to war uh i realize that people

03:26:28.620 may be i say our country but people may be in in a number of different countries listening to this

03:26:33.340 program but when our young men have been put in those situations it's really amazing that we've

03:26:42.300 developed body armor that is so protective that things that would have been lethal are no longer

03:26:48.140 lethal. You know, I was working with one guy in that same job bouncing, and he had been blown up

03:26:53.860 and shot ridiculous amounts of time. But because he had heavy and very good body armor, he was he

03:27:01.400 was intact. That's amazing. Having people that have lost limbs in con in combat, and

03:27:11.120 been able to live much more normal lives with modern prosthetics is amazing.

03:27:18.140 So I think it's an interesting question. I think that sitting around and being afraid of it all the time is probably a bad usage of our time.

03:27:26.200 I know a lot of people, especially the older generation, like to wring their hands and worry about it.

03:27:35.540 I don't think anything is gained in that worrying process. So for what that's worth.

03:27:41.660 the next question is a long question that i think nick had to put in four different chunks

03:27:50.000 um so i hope we get to all of it in the way that you're asking it and i don't necessarily

03:27:57.700 understand the first sentence what are your thoughts on absolute infinity this is a philosophy

03:28:04.600 I used to be very into, and it could explain the, quote, gods are part of the one, quote, theory.

03:28:13.560 As a follow-up to that, I read a short book called The Call of Our Ancient Nordic Religion,

03:28:20.160 and in that book it talks about how the gods are part of something larger. In that book it says

03:28:25.300 God, in quotes, is incomprehensible to man, and that Odin and the other gods are archetypical

03:28:32.360 ways we can comprehend divinity to clarify quote absolute infinity unquote is the philosophy that

03:28:41.240 the universality itself is an infinite mind that can think or imagine anything hence our being

03:28:51.560 so

03:28:54.920 the book the short book that you were referring to in the middle of your question

03:28:58.840 is by alexander redmills who is one of our heroes who we celebrate he is actually the

03:29:05.800 patron hero of thorshoff um

03:29:09.500 i have immense respect for alexander redmills

03:29:17.780 thorshoff was was my first hoff that was under my uh under my leadership as i was harry gothi

03:29:27.280 And I was the one who decided that we wanted to honor Alexander Red Mills there.

03:29:32.940 So I have a huge amount of respect for him and what he did.

03:29:36.180 But his understanding of our gods was in a very rudimentary way.

03:29:44.600 And he was still stuck very much in a paradigm of trying to reconcile our faith with the Christianity that he'd been raised in that was so overwhelming in the world at the time.

03:29:58.120 And that resulted from a lot of people of that day and age in some mental gymnastics that I think were a step that was necessary or useful or, you know, productive to move us a step away from traditional Christianity towards our gods, but wasn't quite all the way there yet.

03:30:21.900 We also have access to a lot of things that Alexander didn't have.

03:30:27.740 So, no, I think that philosophy is incorrect.

03:30:31.440 I think that that is an attempt to try to rationalize our legitimacy alongside of what was the prevailing religion of his time in Australia and in the Western world.

03:30:47.260 Our gods are not merely archetypes.

03:30:50.080 archetypes. They are living, existing entities with personality. They exist when we call to

03:31:00.520 them, when we interact with them, they interact back with us. They're not emanations of this

03:31:10.720 great oneness in the sense that they share personality. Again, we talked earlier in the

03:31:15.880 show. If there is some oneness source thing, it is impersonal and it is a source of stuff like

03:31:26.500 Gnongi Gap is. There are things out there beyond our gods, certainly. Are those things sentient

03:31:36.920 and conscious in personalities? Not so much. It's one of the things when you make, when Christians

03:31:45.580 or Abrahamists in general, make the claim that their one desert God is omnipotent

03:31:54.440 and he is responsible for everything that exists and everything that happens.

03:32:00.500 The double-edged sword of that that they don't like and have a very, very hard time of defending is

03:32:06.260 that same God is then responsible for all of the evil that befalls mankind.

03:32:15.580 If there is 100% all powerful, because this is the one all powerful creative being that exists, and if that is a personality, it cannot be a good personality.

03:32:29.080 Because it exists, its existence and its all power necessitates a responsibility for every evil thing that happens, for every misfortune, for every time that bad things happen to good people.

03:32:50.460 One of the beauties of Ausitru is that we don't claim that our gods individually are all powerful of the universe.

03:32:57.720 They are immensely powerful. They are powerful beyond our beyond our understanding.

03:33:04.720 But they are not responsible for everything good and bad that exists in the universe.

03:33:11.720 They are responsible for us, for our existence, for our world, and they act for the benefit of our folk and our people.

03:33:22.720 And they bless us when we engage them in relationship.

03:33:26.720 the more you move out to an impersonal connection with some oneness thing,

03:33:36.420 I think that's something that the human mind likes to do for convenience.

03:33:41.500 And what that ultimately leads is universalism,

03:33:45.460 which in the Astro-Folk Assembly we practice, we are folkish.

03:33:51.340 the difference between folkish and universalist is universalists have the presumption that their

03:33:57.160 way is the only way that their god or gods are the only gods and that everyone else and every

03:34:05.120 other people have to go through their conception of the world to exist and to be spiritually

03:34:12.420 fulfilled we don't believe that we believe very much that our gods are for our people

03:34:18.780 for our folk, for our race, and that we are ethnically, familially connected to them.

03:34:27.860 And it makes a really fundamental difference when it comes to religious practice.

03:34:33.360 But our gods are absolutely individuals. They absolutely have personality and exist.

03:34:39.260 that is the

03:34:41.260 that is a fundamental component of the gift cycle

03:34:46.420 which all of our ritual is based around

03:34:48.860 and it's really hard to make the case

03:34:52.360 for somebody who hasn't experienced it

03:34:54.580 but as someone who has experienced it

03:34:57.440 it's

03:34:58.580 it's undeniable, it's inescapable

03:35:02.360 it's as obvious and as plain as the nose on my face

03:35:05.480 but i didn't see it like that until all of a sudden it was made real to me and it's very hard

03:35:13.120 to convince someone who hasn't had that experience of the overwhelming truth of that statement

03:35:22.400 but once you do see it you can't unsee it and i hope that makes sense it's fun what do you have

03:35:29.580 to add on that all i'm gonna add because i could go on and on on this one but you've covered a

03:35:37.000 great amount so i would just say that uh it's worth noting that um the the infinite in in a

03:35:45.620 concept of spreading out or maybe no movement at all but just existence with all with of never

03:35:52.420 ending. The way that our folk look at things is that there is this, there's always polarization

03:36:04.140 and the movement of that which is. So in an essence, the infinite doesn't willfully move,

03:36:17.240 but does move, and that within it becomes polarized, so it ceases to be just simply

03:36:23.920 infiniteness. That's because we see that it can't be, it does not exist to be,

03:36:33.880 that which is something in everything and nothing all at once. So the infinite ceases to become the

03:36:40.820 infinite when it becomes two things, and then when those two things move in and out, it creates.

03:36:47.240 uh much of that which is now and when it moves and separates again it will destroy and create

03:36:57.980 again is this is cyclication infinite yes is it is it absolutely the same no it's it's like again

03:37:08.020 uh things don't it's not a replication it's a it's a more like uh one of our gothar says it

03:37:14.660 very very well he said that it's um history doesn't repeat itself it rhymes itself and i think

03:37:21.620 this can apply to a lot of different things is that this movement when it when polaric forces

03:37:29.140 happen when there is a fire to an ice when there is a man to a woman when there is an a

03:37:35.700 like a sky to to the ground when there is these polaric forces the infinite ceases to exist

03:37:41.780 and becomes tangible becomes real becomes something that's not speculated into into the

03:37:49.860 point of uh obscurity and that's a big thing that we got to be uh weary of we our gods are not

03:37:56.580 obscure we don't lend ourselves so far down turning our gods into archetypes and things like

03:38:02.260 that because that eventually leads down the path towards relativism and again relativism is a

03:38:07.460 byproduct of universalism into the point where it becomes so irrelevant because everything is

03:38:13.300 like relevant it's just relevant to itself everything else it ceases to become relevant

03:38:19.460 so it kind of dissolves itself we don't see the world that way we see the world as creating its

03:38:25.060 tangibleness that simply by movement and by polarization infinity ceases to be infinite and

03:38:32.740 becomes polaric becomes the real the movement forward and out um and we see this in all things

03:38:41.460 the sun and the moon and the earth and the water and the sky and the light and all of these things

03:38:46.420 have polaric forces that cease they are they are eternal but they are not infinite because they are

03:38:52.740 they are finite all right yeah our next question uh ali asks or says i have in my medical chart

03:39:03.940 to contact whit and brandy or other another githya in the event that i'm dying in a hospital

03:39:13.060 what can our gothar do for a dying person without being physically present call us so first of all

03:39:21.700 i wish awesome i'm glad that you do that i hope everyone does that i would love everyone to do

03:39:28.180 that we've talked before about making cards that you can put in your wallet that have as your

03:39:33.300 emergency contact for medical things your your gothy or your githia i think that's absolutely

03:39:40.820 the thing to do i was trying to get put on lists at local hospitals i was when i lived in anchorage

03:39:49.140 it was hard here because when i started doing it we've had all the coveted nonsense

03:39:53.620 and honestly i've been unable to get through since then they've cut way back on the spiritual

03:39:58.180 counseling at the local hospitals in my area but that is an amazing thing to do everyone right now

03:40:05.300 if that is an option on medical charts and on stuff i would encourage you to please put your

03:40:11.460 your Goethe or your Githiel on there? What can the Goethe do from a distance without being there

03:40:18.900 physically? That's hard because all of us would so want to help in any way that we could.

03:40:29.540 There's stuff we can do. There's healing rituals that I've led and been involved in

03:40:42.500 that I think are helpful. There's also counseling we can do for the individual,

03:40:51.340 for the families, for anyone involved in any kind of health crisis and also in preparation

03:41:05.540 for death and dying. There's a lot of work that can be done with counseling towards that and

03:41:12.800 after that. One of the things with counseling that I try to impress upon our Gothar that's

03:41:18.940 very important is when we counsel someone, it's not just about that moment. It's helping to walk

03:41:30.140 them through that whole process of being there for them. It's being there in that moment, but it's

03:41:36.460 also following up. It's helping them through the process and then into that process of rebuilding

03:41:44.060 and, uh, and healing afterwards. There's a lot we can do for counseling, for the family,

03:41:52.220 for the individual that's, that's going through that transition into death for helping them

03:41:58.080 make sure that they have things squared away, that they're in a place where they are

03:42:04.780 best prepared to walk that hell road, to do ritual and action in their life,

03:42:19.200 to settle their accounts with people and with things, to leave their family in a good state

03:42:29.100 and in a good way to proceed into the next world

03:42:34.220 with the best dignity and the best reputation that they can

03:42:44.040 to help settle any kind of remaining scores

03:42:48.000 and to get some of that off their mind

03:42:50.540 and also just to be there for them.

03:42:53.080 Talk to them, to be their friend

03:42:56.520 And if necessarily, literally to hold their hand all the way through, we can do that.

03:43:05.400 So there's a lot of stuff we can do, and it sounds, it's hard to put it all into words, but being there, being an ear, being a helping hand, being an advisor, being a witness,

03:43:19.500 being somebody who can hold their hand through the process and walk with them on, you know,

03:43:27.820 at least this side, this part of their journey. That's something we can do. And it's hard.

03:43:35.220 But it's absolutely what we sign up for. And it's not something we look forward to doing,

03:43:41.300 but it's absolutely the, maybe one of the most profound and important and meaningful things

03:43:48.440 that we can do. What are your thoughts, Swan? I think the biggest thing is first, depending on

03:44:02.480 where you're at and how important it is or how dire the situation is, having someone getting

03:44:11.060 out to you is possible because uh we are as we are our the state of our church is is able to

03:44:22.500 or at least in some degree even to have a folk builder or somebody even a member to to come out

03:44:29.620 and and and get in touch with you but um yes there is uh occasions where we've held ceremony

03:44:37.460 for people that weren't able

03:44:40.180 or had passed suddenly

03:44:42.240 or lots of things about distance

03:44:44.740 doing our proper rites

03:44:48.400 singing our dirge songs to the soul

03:44:51.800 and conducting bloat

03:44:55.460 and burning offerings

03:44:57.580 of sacred wood and herbs

03:45:01.380 and pouring mead

03:45:04.740 and giving gifts

03:45:06.900 And presiding over your memory, firstly, even at a distance, is one of the first things, you know, that many of us are deeply – our obligation to the honor of our folk in doing that.

03:45:21.220 Obviously, you know, we have to keep our – if you're a member, you know, we will try within all of our abilities.

03:45:30.120 And, you know, creating infrastructure around members, especially ones that are really far out, is very, very hard.

03:45:35.980 so I'm not saying that it will never happen

03:45:38.560 I would love to have it to the point

03:45:40.400 where the Austin True Folk Assembly

03:45:42.220 no matter where you're at can send someone to you

03:45:44.480 immediately but if

03:45:46.480 that's not the case the idea is

03:45:48.680 that we would

03:45:50.580 hold rights

03:45:52.260 for you and having someone

03:45:54.480 be able to give us that information having it in

03:45:56.460 a will so that if something does befall you

03:45:58.360 that information

03:46:00.280 can be given to us or access

03:46:02.480 in a certain sense like even if

03:46:04.040 it was about pictures

03:46:05.600 and things like that um to hold a memoriam even though you're at a greater distance um like it

03:46:12.660 perfect example of this would be if somebody was a um uh a soldier or a marine or somebody of the

03:46:20.200 military and it passed away and we're in the processes of the military dealing with that

03:46:26.200 and the memoriam could be held based on the information that is given out um

03:46:33.500 so having access to that is i think also very important but holding those those bloats the

03:46:40.260 distance between us becomes one step away when we when we call out from the harrow

03:46:44.960 all right

03:46:50.420 all right so this is an interesting one um are non-perceptive people denied the ability to

03:47:03.220 see with quotations, or is it an undeveloped ability? So this is funny because, you know,

03:47:21.140 I'm not that guy that can see all those things. I don't have second sight in that way.

03:47:26.580 Now, I experience a lot of very profound spiritual things, but there are people that have that element to them, to where they see things in that way.

03:47:40.140 They have that second sight.

03:47:42.240 And here's the thing.

03:47:43.400 Again, it's not the most comfortable, but equality is a lie.

03:47:47.080 We don't believe in equality.

03:47:48.460 Everybody's not equal.

03:47:49.300 There are some people that have an amazing ability that is a huge blessing that they can perceive things that the rest of us can't.

03:48:02.500 It's not that everybody else is denied an ability.

03:48:06.180 It's that a few people are granted an ability.

03:48:10.360 It's not a selective screwing of other people.

03:48:13.560 It's a blessing to certain people.

03:48:16.280 And I think that's a much more healthy way to look at it.

03:48:18.460 But that being said, it is also an undeveloped ability that you can enhance or make better.

03:48:25.840 So there are people out there that have that second side ability that spend their life denying it, pretending it doesn't exist, and wishing it away.

03:48:36.880 That's squandered.

03:48:39.120 There are others that maximize it and embrace it.

03:48:42.300 you seeking to develop it, to work on it, to enhance that will make you better than if you

03:48:53.960 had not sought to enhance it. Will it bring you to the level of somebody who's blessed with the

03:49:00.020 second sight? I don't know, probably not, but maybe. Will it make you closer to that than you

03:49:09.960 are now? Yes, absolutely. When someone doesn't have an extraordinary ability, it's not that

03:49:24.860 they're held back. It's that certain people are particularly blessed and we should be happy for

03:49:31.780 them and embrace them and be excited about that rather than lamenting that we don't have that

03:49:37.220 ourselves that's a much more healthy way to way to approach that i think um

03:49:44.660 and to seek out those people and seek their advice and things but uh

03:49:56.580 yeah so it's okay so this is a

03:49:59.220 we don't talk on here about magical things and supernatural things like that very often

03:50:08.020 one of the reasons is because there's lots and lots of lunatics that

03:50:13.580 make that embarrassing because they say things that are not true that are mentally ill that are

03:50:20.740 whatever else and so we hesitate to say those things because we worry we'd be perceived that

03:50:26.240 way. And I think that's something that we all feel. I know it's something that I feel. So I

03:50:30.400 try not to come off like a, like a lunatic on these things, but I will say this. So when I was

03:50:38.140 in Sweden, the gentleman over there that I spoke about, and I'm just being cryptic because I don't

03:50:43.240 know if he wants the information share or whatever, but you know, he, in passing, it was funny because

03:50:52.300 he talked um to somebody else in our party about a very specific person that he saw following them

03:51:00.140 you know beyond the veil person but then when somebody brought it up or whatever he's like

03:51:07.100 and yeah matt of course there's there's lots of lots of people are following you at these

03:51:10.940 places they're very curious but that's because of what you do anyways and he just transitioned

03:51:15.740 of this thing like it was no big deal um just because you don't see other things doesn't mean

03:51:22.380 that your actions aren't meaningful beyond the veil i don't see ghosts either but a person who

03:51:30.860 does told me that lots of them were very interested in what i was doing so it's not

03:51:39.100 just whether you see them or not that doesn't limit your ability to have an effect or be

03:51:44.700 meaningful beyond the veil or have that potency in the other worlds. And that may be a bunch of

03:51:52.060 out there stuff. I hope it was meaningful to the question that was asked. Svan, what are your

03:51:56.840 thoughts on that? Be careful of charlatans. Like you had mentioned, I was here ago, there are a

03:52:04.340 lot of people out there that do kind of lead off into the realm of oddity and insanity sometimes.

03:52:10.780 and that's why we're reluctant to talk about some of these things or openly or um but the uh

03:52:19.580 so again be careful of the charlatans out there i i think that a lot of people that do have an

03:52:25.020 ability um do so with a great reluctancy where they speak often with a reluctancy or they don't

03:52:32.140 but there is an effect i think that there are people that have those sites and it does

03:52:36.380 blur their edges, if you will, sometimes of their hue or even of their leek. So also be careful

03:52:45.680 of wanting too much. It is good to be middle wise on a lot of things, including this.

03:52:52.340 So the awareness, understanding what that comes from, are you wishing to be aware

03:52:58.920 for confirmation? That is a perfectly reasonable and absolutely desirable thing

03:53:04.840 that any human being would want. And that's totally normal. And I think that's fine. And

03:53:10.340 if you're willing to admit that that's a start, that's a start where you can begin training

03:53:14.340 yourself to interact. I think as you go, perhaps your intentions will change, but that's perfectly

03:53:21.360 viable. I want to interact and become aware for confirmation. Because as I was here ago,

03:53:28.200 they clearly stated too, just because you don't see doesn't mean you don't have an effect.

03:53:31.420 things are going on. Just people sometimes need that confirmation. Will you receive it?

03:53:36.860 That is, again, another thing that Alceira Garvey hit on is some people are boomed. Some people are

03:53:43.480 given. And it doesn't mean that someone else is being oppressed or chided or taken away from.

03:53:50.740 But understanding the perfectness of our place in that. Our trying is perfectly fine. I think

03:53:59.100 anybody that should should strive to be better we we talked about that a lot of the last um

03:54:04.220 episode and this applies to this as well um but

03:54:12.300 i would say even the continuance of trying without results is discipline and will

03:54:18.460 lend you down a path that may give you things beyond what you what you started thinking you

03:54:24.300 would receive and that's a journey in and of itself but um the uninitiated sometimes uh

03:54:33.500 i think can experience it and i think initiation is important and has happened

03:54:38.300 in our church and within our folk to elsewhere go the even though um he's reluctant to speak

03:54:45.660 upon it i have seen things physically involving ceremony and belief in in our in our faith

03:54:54.300 with evidence photographic evidence so um this is it it's important i would say focus on the

03:55:04.060 discipline and the desire of the result and be true to yourself to why you want that result

03:55:10.700 and that will begin you on the journey of perhaps being better than you are now despite what may be

03:55:18.220 what may happen and again at a certain point knowing too much can be a problem it's not always

03:55:25.340 a gift you know i the seeking of validation and of confirmation from beyond is

03:55:40.700 It's a very human thing, and it's something that we all want.

03:55:54.380 We all have these questions, like, why don't the gods just come down and appear before us and fix everything and do these things in a rock solid way that we can feel much more comforted by?

03:56:10.700 The answer to that question, honestly, I don't know. It's just not how it works.

03:56:18.700 Wish it was. I think we all do.

03:56:22.700 But just because you don't get that in the way that you would most desire it,

03:56:30.700 just because your phone doesn't ring and, you know, Odin's on the other end telling you something,

03:56:39.500 doesn't mean that those signs and those things aren't there

03:56:45.100 if you look and you keep your mind and your heart open for them

03:56:53.740 the world doesn't work like we wish it does it works like it works and we can function within that

03:57:00.620 or not um but i find if we don't stress about the things that we don't have and we do focus on what

03:57:11.900 we do have you get moments maybe it's just one moment maybe it's just a couple where you reach

03:57:21.660 out something reaches back maybe in a way you don't expect maybe in a way that just knocks you

03:57:30.140 on your butt because it's out of nowhere but if you stop focusing on a desperate need to

03:57:40.220 have it happen your way and you allow it to happen the god's way

03:57:47.180 things will happen to you and you will notice and pretending that you are a level 20 necromancer

03:57:57.740 whatever you think you are isn't going to be fulfilling but being a humble and devoted

03:58:07.500 practitioner of asa true sometimes when you get a little taste of something from the other side

03:58:17.900 it is worth more than whatever you can imagine um in your mind the other way i don't know if

03:58:25.100 if that makes any sense, but the truly transcendent moments that I've had in Ausatru are,

03:58:33.140 they're few. I'm very lucky. I'm one of the most fortunate men in the whole world. And I feel that

03:58:39.020 and believe that. But the truly transcendent man, the other side was speaking to me. Moments

03:58:46.500 are few, but each of those, you'd be lucky if you have one of those in an entire lifetime.

03:58:55.100 But cherishing what you do have rather than pining for what other people say they have and you wish you had, especially in a spiritual sense, is ultimately very, very unfulfilling.

03:59:13.540 So one of the things we have as people, and this is way beyond your question, I get that, but I hope it's beneficial to other people listening.

03:59:25.100 So we want confirmation. We want to feel special. And we build up paradigms in our head of what that looks like. We are very attached to outcome.

03:59:43.300 And in a physical way, in a lot of things, it's very that makes a lot of sense.

03:59:50.300 But spiritually, we need to be willing to extend ourselves in acts of worship and devotion without expecting anything back.

04:00:01.300 But being completely open to whatever we might get back.

04:00:06.300 If you approach ritual, making an offering with no expectation of return, but out of a genuine offering of worship to our gods, or a genuine outpouring of love for your ancestors with no expectation, and you leave your heart and your mind open, you would be amazed at some of the beautiful things that can happen as a result of that.

04:00:35.140 And I would encourage everyone listening to do that.

04:00:45.720 All right.

04:00:46.700 Next one.

04:00:47.560 Gentlemen, we talked about our Christian ancestors going to the great halls.

04:00:52.160 You think that all of our folk going there, despite the fact that some dedicated life serving and swearing oaths to Hebrew gods.

04:01:00.220 Thanks.

04:01:00.820 So, reality is real no matter whether we want it to be or not.

04:01:11.760 Ethnic faiths exist because of the nature of reality itself.

04:01:19.960 I don't think that the Hebrew God has the ability to spiritually colonize all these

04:01:33.320 other people. I don't think it works that way. So I think a lot of our ancestors

04:01:41.080 will wind up confused on the other side,

04:01:47.040 will wind up realizing that things didn't work

04:01:50.200 the way that they thought they would

04:01:53.240 or that they thought they should.

04:01:57.500 What I think is judged particularly harshly

04:02:01.920 are the generation of our ancestors

04:02:05.780 that went from belief in our gods

04:02:09.360 forsook that belief and embraced Christianity.

04:02:14.060 Those who are four, five, six generations in

04:02:16.780 that don't know any better,

04:02:18.860 they do the best they can.

04:02:21.520 I've got to think our gods realize that and know that.

04:02:25.340 And I hope that that reflects fairly on our ancestors

04:02:30.540 when they find themselves on the other side of the veil.

04:02:32.760 i can't tell you exactly how our gods choose to judge these people i can't tell you exactly how

04:02:43.160 our ancestors do but in order for our gods to be gods furthermore for them to be arian noble gods

04:02:53.020 i have to believe that they're fair-minded and that they extend grace and courtesy to people

04:03:01.020 who are well-meaning. And I believe that's true. I don't think that, you know, like the Mormons

04:03:07.520 will do this posthumous baptism thing. I don't think that their Hebrew God magically gets to,

04:03:13.720 you know, suck the souls out of our afterlife for his afterlife. I just don't think that's how it

04:03:22.940 works. So yeah, that is, that is my belief. And again, I'm not on the other side. I can't see

04:03:29.060 that. But here's what I do know is true. When we reach, so praying to your ancestors is against

04:03:37.800 Judaism, Christianity, Islam, it's against all of those things. Praying to heroes of our folk

04:03:45.660 is also idolatry and against Abrahamism. Yet I know that if you pray to heroes of our folk

04:03:54.480 that weren't Ausatru, someone hears those prayers and they're responded to.

04:04:00.960 I know that when I go before my altar and I speak to my ancestors that were Christians,

04:04:07.560 were very devout Christians, I know that they hear me and I know that they interact with me.

04:04:15.980 So the exactitudes of their afterlife, I can't speak to authoritatively,

04:04:23.300 But I can tell you that our Christian ancestors receive our worship and engage in the gift cycle with us.

04:04:33.280 That truth is a confirmation of what I've just said I think happens in the afterlife to me, at least to a degree.

04:04:43.180 What are your thoughts, Fon?

04:04:46.400 Yeah, we have covered that a bit.

04:04:48.680 But, yeah, the idea of certainly tricking the mind but not taking the soul, again, our core faith comes from tribal mindset, spiritual belief of the tribe, of the folk, of the people.

04:05:08.600 And this is, as Al-Siragothi just said

04:05:12.640 It's the natural way of what we have done

04:05:15.420 And what others have done

04:05:16.800 And our way is our way

04:05:19.540 And their way is not our way

04:05:21.460 And so even though universalism is an interesting and new development

04:05:26.780 In the idea of spirituality

04:05:28.400 In which the entirety of a world is convinced

04:05:31.420 That one god from one tribe

04:05:35.280 is even amongst, you know, whether it's the subsects with Christianity or a complete other

04:05:42.940 derivative with Islam, the Abrahamic faiths that have descended from there have convinced the world

04:05:49.600 that all other ways are moot. Though the Bible is ripe with it, showing clearly, you know,

04:05:59.680 the the gods of other people the the idea that there are no gods put before that god so on and

04:06:05.860 so forth the list is long um at the end of the day when you honor your ancestors or if you dream

04:06:13.260 of them and see them that is uh not supported in any abrahamic faith um and you have to either

04:06:21.580 except their theological argument is that anything that isn't um elohim or alahi or allah or whatever

04:06:33.660 um that it's it's evil and so uh that's their that's their argument that's their catch-all

04:06:40.860 anything outside of that is evil so if you interact with anything including your ancestors

04:06:45.900 evil and i think that's a very lazy uh and very just very very crooked backed way of dealing with

04:06:56.140 spiritual arguments but they do as they do um the the outside of that don't concern yourself with it

04:07:04.620 if this is our way has to stop thinking universally too i mean we can do it in other

04:07:11.260 aspects in the physical realm it's just hard for people to conceptualize the idea of doing it in a

04:07:17.260 spiritual realm anything outside of us doesn't matter it is not us it exists there are things

04:07:25.100 out there there are people out there sure but they're outer of the guard they're not in there

04:07:30.700 we are encapsulated and cultivate within ourselves so start with that by just honoring your ancestors

04:07:40.140 whether they were christian or not and also being noble again the the the gentleman's grave at

04:07:45.740 thorshof he was a christian i know he was but it's ignoble for me i to desecrate the grave or

04:07:52.940 even worse to forget about it um but it is noble to honor despite our differences and

04:08:01.820 and and work forth from there outside of that keep it if you can think of other things within

04:08:08.380 in a nativist mindset you can also you have to work on de-universalizing your

04:08:15.020 your spiritual world view that's hard but doing honor your ancestors

04:08:23.340 there you go um next question are human ghosts in midgard actually the spirit

04:08:29.820 of the person most of the time or is it closer to the stone tape theory

04:08:38.380 I have to assume the stone tape theory is a typo of the stoned ape theory.

04:08:49.360 If I'm wrong and there's some stone tape thing I don't know about, please let me know.

04:08:54.780 I think I have an idea.

04:08:56.480 I'm going to assume it's the stoned ape theory, if that is the case.

04:09:01.540 You know, it all depends on the person involved.

04:09:04.520 um human ghosts in Midgard exist and are the spirit of people that have passed very often

04:09:16.220 if you are on drugs can you see things that aren't there that are coming from a different

04:09:21.200 place that are internal absolutely if you are on certain psychedelics does it make you more

04:09:27.500 imperceptive to actual ghosts of people, perhaps. I don't suggest that's not the case either.

04:09:41.220 So I think that there's three options on there. If you're on crazy hallucinogens, yeah, maybe

04:09:47.160 you're just seeing crazy stuff that comes from random places. If you are a judicious person who

04:09:54.700 is using psychedelics for spiritual purposes, maybe you're much more receptive to things from

04:10:01.040 beyond the veil, and that's legitimate. Or if you're regular and you're completely stone sober

04:10:07.820 and you see ghostly apparitions, I think those are probably most often actual people that

04:10:17.600 actually existed i think it all depends on the circumstance involved what are your thoughts

04:10:25.360 fun well a stone tape i i had an idea of what it was and uh it yeah i was correct it's the

04:10:31.680 imprinting we've talked about this a little bit before the idea that uh stones and wood and things

04:10:37.280 around us imprint based on events that happen and we kind of talked about that in the last episode

04:10:42.800 where the hammer imprints itself upon the world around it and that that oftentimes the things we

04:10:49.360 see are reflections of so yes we are quite literally talking about the um stone tape theory

04:10:56.880 um based on our hammer are the part of our soul imprinting or flash burning

04:11:05.680 a an event or an or a moment in the world around us and that that does seem to be the case with

04:11:11.600 with many accounts there are other accounts obviously where people see dreams or they see

04:11:17.600 an apparition uh that is physically trying to communicate with them and is is not repeating

04:11:23.840 some sort of um event so i would say that stone tape theory does apply especially in relation to

04:11:32.880 the hammer but is not always the case in relation to other um otherworldly visions beyond the veil

04:11:41.600 So that's interesting. So there's actually a stone tape and a stoned ape theory.

04:11:47.320 Oh, if that is a thing, then both of those are actually human apparitions.

04:11:59.000 The one is one that is and this is kind of what I tried to mention a little bit earlier between, you know,

04:12:06.540 the negative ghoulish haunting crazy stuff and visitation from well-meaning ancestors

04:12:14.700 due to ridiculously powerful events and things certain impressions can be left

04:12:23.820 upon the physical environment and you see that at battlefields and stuff that's a thing

04:12:29.660 most often i think there's actual consciousness behind things and it's not just the disembodied

04:12:38.880 hammer making an impression on things but i think most is relative on what you experience

04:12:45.340 but yes what's fond said is absolutely the case that piece of memory and hammer can

04:12:53.320 be seared into something due to the potency of emotion and, you know, the will or the magical

04:13:08.160 efficacy that is poured into it in a moment of crisis or in an extreme sense. We do see that

04:13:17.340 places so i hope that answers better and i'm sorry for my like little uh diversion on the stoned ape

04:13:24.700 deal although i do think the stoned ape thing is really interesting and i've been reading about

04:13:29.900 things about that lately um so next question sorry if it was covered already but any advice

04:13:39.260 on dealing with past kin who really really didn't like non-christian stuff in life so i think this um

04:13:54.300 think this goes to

04:14:00.380 all right so i think this goes to what i was saying a little bit earlier

04:14:03.580 things are what they are no matter what your ancestors thought or didn't think so i think

04:14:11.260 that when we go beyond the veil myself and spawn included we're gonna learn a whole bunch of stuff

04:14:17.860 we didn't know and we're gonna see things through a lens that we didn't see when we were here in

04:14:25.440 Midgard. And hopefully the wiser we are and the better we do, the closer and the better we can

04:14:34.380 see those things. But that's going to be a time where your ancestors see like, oh man, I messed

04:14:42.880 up and uh you know reality is this is something that i say even within midgard reality has a way

04:14:55.040 of red billing people the more people are engaged in reality without blinders on

04:15:04.080 the more they see the way the world works whether it's the way they want it to or not

04:15:08.560 truth has a habit of being able to transcend and overwhelm opinion because truth exists whether we

04:15:21.240 want it to or it doesn't so our ancestors that were super duper duper anti-pagan

04:15:27.680 i think when they're on the other side of the veil they will realize the error in those thoughts

04:15:35.100 um and i believe that to be the case what are your thoughts fun again i

04:15:42.280 uh when we're talking about honor your ancestors the deeds here yeah they're what is there

04:15:50.300 there's only for that for them to gain um again in a kind of way it's it's like uh i believe it's

04:15:58.920 marcus aurelius who said that you know to live a noble life whether the gods be real or not is

04:16:04.060 the end result is that if they are not, then I lived my life well. And if they are, then I lived

04:16:11.340 my life worthy of them. Or something along those lines. And I think in this correlation,

04:16:20.420 the European expression of Christianity isn't always entirely bad on the external. The internal,

04:16:27.860 it is i think a very very deep damaging thing um with a lot of concepts that are completely foreign

04:16:35.140 to our people so i'm not i'm not saying it's all roses and things but from the external side

04:16:41.460 christianity does have an ability um especially the european expression of it it formalized and

04:16:48.740 organized uh folks our folk in a in a way for a while i mean there was never a unified sense of

04:16:56.580 whether it's Catholicism or Protestantism, Anglicanism, or all the other Gnostics and

04:17:02.280 things like that. So it wasn't, I like, they think, they like to think that it was a unifying

04:17:07.620 factor, but it really wasn't. But it did allow a medium of expression across Europe as a whole.

04:17:16.600 And so there are some aspects to decency and goodness, especially like even just American

04:17:22.280 end version of christianity that that could be different from others um our ancestors were good

04:17:28.120 people they they try to do their best i think that some of them might have been confused and if they

04:17:33.720 were if they really really really didn't like stuff that was outside of that again the caveat

04:17:40.760 of christian of christianity or abraham abrahamic faiths in general is that there is a caveat and

04:17:47.560 that caveat creates the motivation the person doesn't really really really really like things

04:17:52.680 that were non-christian it's really based off of the fear of gehenna and the idea or they they just

04:18:00.200 chose a word and that word is hell uh or hades or or whatever um but the idea again is fear that

04:18:07.480 place fear the place that's the opposite place of of uh um you know it's like if you're if you're not

04:18:16.520 in the synagogue of yahweh you're in the synagogue of satan um either way the synagogue you know

04:18:21.960 comparison um the big thing is is that it's a caveat of motivation the idea to attain souls

04:18:29.560 they they believe this and really what this is is is is cultivating mentality um but

04:18:39.240 when people pass away they realize the truth of it and what do they gain they gain all of

04:18:43.960 their loved ones and the ones that came before them they gain all of that i mean in truth to

04:18:49.560 all abrahamic faiths unless a person commits to the covenant in a certain way whatever way that's

04:18:55.960 specified they do not get the eternal um this is you know has been set so like grandma could be

04:19:05.720 great great grandma could be a great person but if she didn't accept the covenant in a certain way

04:19:11.560 guess what so the the the i've always seen that as such a bleak and again bent back way of looking

04:19:22.440 at the spirituality of things so if i have an ancestor who's really really really devoutly

04:19:28.360 christian if they found out that they lived their life hopefully fairly well uh and didn't

04:19:35.080 enact themselves treacherously then they have nothing but the best to gain which is the ability

04:19:43.520 to join with the souls of those who came before and to see the truth of all that all that is going

04:19:48.660 on now i definitely believe that my like a perfect example is on my ancestral line i believe there

04:19:56.300 is someone that would disagree with me on a lot of things the way i view the world now

04:20:00.080 when he was alive i do not think that's the case now i think he now realizes that

04:20:05.000 the situation uh that that the future of the land that he loved and the and the country that he came

04:20:13.520 from is in turmoil and that times are changing and not for the better for for his people in the

04:20:19.360 land that he comes from i'm speaking overseas in of iceland but at the time he was seeing the world

04:20:25.540 in a very different way and i think now the world has has blown up into something else and i i have

04:20:30.420 had personal gnosis that he is seeing the truth of it and not in agreeance with it the way he

04:20:39.060 might have been when he was living and kind of again confused about things so all right gentlemen

04:20:47.700 yet another great stream thank you do animals have souls if so what do we know about them

04:20:55.540 and what's the afterlife for them thank you so

04:21:02.740 um i don't know and i don't claim to be an expert on animal afterlife um

04:21:10.820 um but what is common and what I have heard many times is

04:21:21.080 that the ghosts of pets appear to folks who see that sort of thing

04:21:29.840 um and I tend to believe that I think that there is certainly something

04:21:36.560 uh in animals having a soul i think their soul is very different and doesn't have the same pieces

04:21:44.240 that ours has they are a living creature and they have a sense of self so i have to think

04:21:56.280 that there is something that we would probably describe as a soul there and i do think that

04:22:02.120 yeah so there there's something to that now what that is I don't know you know does every animal

04:22:12.760 that's used purely for food have a soul that's an awful lot of souls out there I don't know but

04:22:21.400 I do think that there is something there and I think in the ability for that soul to transcend

04:22:32.440 and interact has a lot to do with the amount of devotion and relationship built between that

04:22:43.140 animal and and humans or and others that it interacts with um but i know that's a that's not

04:22:52.100 a not a great answer to your question but i don't want to speak outside of stuff that i know or

04:22:57.380 stuff that makes sense so i do think that there's something something there but it's certainly not

04:23:04.020 the same as the soul of you know an arian man what do you what do you say swan i i've always

04:23:12.100 always I like you said the the soul is different than the components of of the human soul but I

04:23:19.960 and again you keying in on what you said about how people have seen um the spirits of of animals and

04:23:27.220 I I believe they they stay in the middle I've always told my children this about about the um

04:23:34.900 the encapsulation of life around Midgard is about like Vanaheim and what it symbolically

04:23:43.140 represents as about the origins of life. Um, and I, I feel that the souls of animals

04:23:50.500 move in between that and us in the middle. Um, I don't, I don't view Jotunheim in that same way

04:23:59.660 Because I believe Jotunheim is the primordial resistance and that Vanaheim is the extension of life and the will to live, or at least, and I'm not speaking like in the references of Leaf and Liefthraser, it's just the evolutionary tract of life creating itself to live seems to source from what I believe Vanaheim is.

04:24:26.980 um that that ever growing that ever expanding growth of life and so that ebb and flow is like

04:24:33.880 a like a tide of wave coming in and out and that that if anything animals share a collective soul

04:24:41.500 within the middle that uh the the idea of the animal itself and in it in its shape or

04:24:48.420 is a fragment of the total soul of all of them if if if it was to look at say for instance picking

04:24:55.360 any animal in general the idea is that all of them share a commonality of or the tendril of a soul

04:25:02.000 that accumulates back towards their sourcing in the middle like in vanaheim and that that ebb

04:25:08.640 and flow kind of flows from that uh how that exactly works i don't know this is just

04:25:15.120 my personal beliefs on on uh their relation to vanaheim and the bounty as lord fray is the

04:25:23.360 the one who brings bounty especially in in flock and in life and the production of life animals

04:25:29.760 are deeply connected to this the natural law cycle far more than even humans are and i think

04:25:35.200 that that ebb and flow back and forth from the origins of vanaheim where of humla um when she

04:25:43.360 was transformed there that's that ebb and flow of that life coming in meeting against the resistance

04:25:50.000 of jotunheim here in the middle and that's that's that ebb and flow of natural law going back and

04:25:55.440 forth so do they stick around i think they have the ability to but i also think that eventually

04:26:00.080 they do go back and that the entirety of one individual animal shares more of an of a kind

04:26:07.120 of a collective um soul conceptualization rather than just individuals by individuals

04:26:16.240 because again they they lack the on and they lack the ability to place themselves in a

04:26:21.760 conceptualized state through language placing themselves in a place they've never been

04:26:27.140 in context and time like humans can that's the one thing that truly makes us unique but it doesn't

04:26:33.220 mean that they're worse it's that their divine cycling is between here and the westlands or

04:26:39.900 a place beyond the veil where that life source is from i hope that makes sense all right

04:26:47.620 can people have pagan symbols on their grave like the hammer like how christians have the cross

04:26:56.340 um yeah certainly people can have whatever they want on their graves if they have a private

04:27:01.320 person making them or if they're a um a private cemetery or whatever um here in the united states

04:27:09.340 recently, when I say recently, like within the last 20 years, uh, military service people can

04:27:17.000 also have, um, out of true religious imagery on their graves, like the hammer. Um, I was at one,

04:27:25.260 uh, because I saw the gravestone in this one, I know for sure there's others that I'm not certain

04:27:33.600 about uh i was at one funeral for a veteran and his grave from you know his dod grave that he gets

04:27:43.680 had the hammer on it uh i was at that funeral for uh clark willan weber and that's a thing um

04:27:53.360 yes that's an option for military service members who've passed but yeah certainly

04:27:58.080 i'm not sure where you're located but over here it's you know you can get what you like

04:28:03.040 on your grave and i've seen a number of number of gravestones with thor's hammers on them

04:28:09.120 um with digital etching now they can put almost anything you want on on there absolutely um

04:28:21.280 um are wills sealed if you did military service can they be updated etc uh spawn's going to know

04:28:32.500 more about this than I do spawn what do you what do you know about this so if you have um

04:28:40.360 okay if you're talking about while you're in the military and you do a right uh um

04:28:44.860 right of attorney uh for all of your possessions that's different than a will and that's not the

04:28:50.380 thing it's it's really just based about immediate possessions wills go in and sometimes when you do

04:28:55.660 wills they they will they'll only give it out to the person you specified so i don't think it's

04:29:01.580 sealed i i had a will and a right of attorney for my immediate possessions in the place where i was

04:29:07.820 stationed i gave a power of attorney to those possessions and then i had a will separate for

04:29:14.780 uh a family member of mine for further um as far as being sealed i mean that's the only thing i

04:29:21.020 could conceptualize as you're that's what you're referring to um and i don't think they're allowed

04:29:25.500 to do that at all um uh it's just that once you once they're done collecting the information that

04:29:33.180 they need and have the uh remains or what what what remains of the remains um they will bring

04:29:42.780 them back and either ask to conduct military services based off of what happened or they will

04:29:49.660 relinquish over the remains um to the family so that they can enact the will

04:29:57.660 so if you have oh that's the other thing if you did the will through the military they should

04:30:02.220 and you want to get it back from them based on what you had then it should not be sealed to

04:30:06.780 you at all you should be able to go uh all you need to do is find a representative most likely

04:30:11.260 either through the va or even just calling the place where you were stationed directly they may

04:30:16.220 have records still of your will if you went and did service and they had a will on file

04:30:21.820 they should be able to give it to you

04:30:26.060 all right so this next one is a really complicated nuanced question and uh it all depends on the

04:30:34.460 circumstance question is how can i help my mother stop being ashamed of being white she constantly

04:30:45.660 tans to darken her skin and she insists our family is jewish even though we are irish

04:30:53.580 that's a frustrating one and a really difficult one to try to deal with and it really depends

04:31:00.300 on the individual and what mental health things are going on there um unfortunately we live in a

04:31:10.140 world where we are constantly being force-fed the idea that we ought to be ashamed of who we are

04:31:18.380 of our ancestry not only that white people are bad but also that other people that aren't us

04:31:26.860 are good or better or virtuous and it's really hard to analyze how to break that psychosis

04:31:35.980 depending upon the person who's experienced it and their mental illness um

04:31:46.140 yeah it's just so hard to answer on a completely

04:31:48.940 you know theoretical basis um i don't think that the way to do it is to just go in hard negative

04:32:00.760 on other people that your mom may idolize or you said she wants to pretend that you guys are jewish

04:32:10.280 i don't think that going really hard anti that is going to be helpful

04:32:15.880 um what i do think is useful is to talk about ancestry and genealogy talk about the family

04:32:24.920 members that you know you know and are aware of like you know hey we're super jewish whatever

04:32:32.760 well what about all four of our grandparents that are irishmen and not at all jewish or all

04:32:40.600 all 16 of our great-grandparents that are all non-Jewish Catholic Irishmen, whatever your

04:32:49.160 situation might be, reality, you know, reality is the best thing, but like tangible, not

04:32:56.300 argumentative reality. Another thing, and I know this is, you know, not as sexy or in

04:33:06.940 your face as people may want, but I think it plays out over time, is by you being proud of who you

04:33:16.380 are, not obnoxious and yelling white power at her all the time, but you being proud of who you are

04:33:24.280 and doing that publicly and throughout your life and her seeing that as not being scary and as

04:33:30.920 being an okay thing. Role modeling really helps with those kind of folks. Tanning is whatever,

04:33:39.420 I'd just leave that be. I don't think that's going to affect anything one way or another.

04:33:44.820 But yeah, having actual conversation about actual family members that you know of

04:33:53.120 can help dissuade some of that ancestry and other things where you go a little bit deeper into your

04:34:03.740 DNA can help assuage some of that but you run a risk if you if you take that test and it tells

04:34:11.040 you you have as these tests are kind of prone to do if it tells you you have a disproportionately

04:34:16.560 high, you know, Ashkenazi Jewish percentage, that's not going to do you any favors on the

04:34:24.160 conversation you want to have with your mom, even if that's, you know, not scientifically

04:34:30.220 accurate. So I think that sticking with people that you actually know in your ancestry to

04:34:37.140 illustrate where you guys come from is important. And again, role modeling is really important.

04:34:44.140 svan what are your thoughts um social conditioning of a lot of people is is a touchy subject i know

04:34:51.420 people who they thought they're like the cherokee princess kind of concept where they just got like

04:34:59.100 a sliver of something and they focus in on that because in our social conditioning of today

04:35:04.700 they have been taught that you know uh being white is being vanilla is being boring is being basic

04:35:10.780 um again that social conditioning is i mean there's nothing further from the truth

04:35:15.080 um as most everyone on the planet has a very vivid history of of things and few have more

04:35:22.400 of a vivid history than than the folk do um and and there's you know then there's the guilt side

04:35:30.100 it's like there's either they either dejected as being something that's not really worth anything

04:35:34.340 it's not worth being proud of to outright we should feel guilty and again nobody's hands on

04:35:39.220 this you know rock or clean as far as history goes um so social conditioning is kind of tiresome

04:35:47.600 sometimes again i think elsewhere go these wise in this regards focus on your positive and do

04:35:53.580 little steps because anything negative and oftentimes people will double down simply because

04:35:59.680 they they don't even have a reason they just they're conditioned to double down and um and

04:36:05.680 without any coherent argument they just know so instead of forcing or activating the double down

04:36:12.640 no matter how frustrating it is focus on the positive stuff build on the positive share

04:36:20.080 that and if they don't ever come to terms with that make sure it stops with you make sure your

04:36:27.200 children are proud make sure your children understand um you know a lot of us have family

04:36:32.240 members who are socially conditioned beyond all repair, or at least beyond all effort to repair

04:36:37.620 because we're so busy living our own lives and doing our own things. So if you can't change

04:36:42.520 that, change what you can. And, you know, again, realization will come in that, in time, whether

04:36:51.460 it's here or beyond. All right. So this next question is Fawn. I'm curious your thoughts on

04:36:56.560 this. Gentlemen, can you touch on a subject of physical possessions in the afterlife, please?

04:37:02.240 Our ancestors had quite a few things and even animals buried with them.

04:37:07.380 Thanks.

04:37:08.560 Svon, what are your thoughts on grave goods and physical possessions transferring to the afterlife?

04:37:16.760 I think that all of that is in, it's two things.

04:37:24.120 One, we do believe that the giving of something is kind of like giving the might of something over.

04:37:36.880 However, is it necessary or is it cultural?

04:37:40.740 That's the bigger question.

04:37:44.700 I mean, our ancestors used to do a lot of different types of sacrifices.

04:37:48.500 Some of them we clearly don't do anymore.

04:37:50.760 um but grave goods i think also have a great cultural significance that um we can you know

04:37:58.520 if we give fruit if we give bread if we give these things over to the gods we know that

04:38:03.860 it's not them coming by and swinging up and picking up a loaf um take back to the to the

04:38:09.720 house no it's about what that is what that represents that power that visceral power

04:38:15.720 between us so grave goods have an example of that i do when we talk about ancient societies and the

04:38:23.000 the uh horses dogs uh again uh even down to like uh slave girls or slave men or you know and i'm

04:38:34.680 talking about anybody it could be the egyptians or anyone um this conceptualization i think is

04:38:42.120 unique because of how uh completely understanding and sure of the spiritual understanding the

04:38:50.360 correlation between the physical and spiritual was so clean and so understood that there that

04:38:56.120 there was not a lot of mucking about around it life was harsh and brutal and the spiritual world

04:39:04.040 and the and and the physical world were so interwovenly tight um you know it was just a

04:39:12.120 death and life were all integrated very very seamlessly as we've grew as we've gone on

04:39:18.840 modern times wise i think that that has created some gap but um culturally i would say goods

04:39:27.160 but obviously ending the life of a of an animal or something like that um is it necessary

04:39:36.620 is is is my is my question is it cultural or is it necessary and in a lot of ways i think

04:39:44.520 that significance has a lot more perfect example would be like this our ancestors used to build

04:39:50.020 build mounds and then when they became migratory they they would burn pyres and then when they

04:39:55.460 reached the oceans they burned pirate ships uh now we have you can place your ashes in a

04:40:03.220 in a container and be placed within like a mausoleum or a containment with all your kinfolk

04:40:11.220 around you um or or you can have it buried in the ground and have items placed on it

04:40:18.180 some of them would can be broken at your request some of them could just simply be placed there in

04:40:23.380 memoriam these are a lot of cultural differences that have happened over generation and generation

04:40:30.180 generation um again it depends i think some people have like if you're living in an apartment

04:40:40.580 and you know you're right in your will i want you to come over and shoot my dog

04:40:44.500 and put it in the hole that you know at thor's off when they put it see that that's where we're

04:40:50.980 starting to get into like the logistic realm of is that possible or is that necessary some people

04:40:56.420 that live out in farms and homesteads they do have the ability to do certain things that

04:41:01.220 they feel are a little bit more authentic especially i i the there's the big um controversy

04:41:08.820 of a of a um folk faith man uh commit uh doing bloat on on a uh cattle the only thing i did i

04:41:17.380 the only thing i disagreed with that was the way he did it he should have you know made it very

04:41:22.980 very quick to the brain instead of the you know we have the technology to make it faster and more

04:41:27.940 humane you should have done it that way but he's you know this is his these are his animals this

04:41:33.700 is his property and this is the way he's doing this at the end of the day you know it's uh again

04:41:40.580 your ability and your cultural acceptance of it and your the necessity of it is all

04:41:48.660 kind of based on your community i think the afa doesn't like if somebody if i wanted my

04:41:57.860 the bowie knife that i received at my wedding to be placed over my ashes

04:42:03.520 is. I don't think anybody would bat an eye at that. But I think culturally, it would be hard

04:42:11.680 for me to say, I need somebody to fly out and sacrifice my dog with it as well. I think

04:42:18.420 culturally, things have changed for us, even in the United States, even as modern

04:42:22.420 as a true, it's changed. So I'm just giving the honest answer there on that one. That's all I

04:42:29.160 say so i i think that the issue is very similar to one with bloat when you're giving gifts

04:42:40.360 i don't think that those items somehow magically appear on the other side of the veil for you

04:42:47.800 but i think that the thought put into them is powerful in and of itself if the idea of giving

04:42:54.760 grave goods is you putting love and devotion into an item and sending that to the other side with a

04:43:03.960 person that's beautiful and it's a really special thing but i don't think that you know you show up

04:43:13.080 on the other side naked with no stuff and like ah what do i do and the guy next to you shows up and

04:43:18.840 he's all kitted out and whatever everybody put in the grave goods and then for the rest of eternity

04:43:24.680 he lives like a rich man and you live like a pauper i don't think that's

04:43:31.320 i don't think that's how it works i think spawns definitely on to something with the

04:43:37.080 cultural relevance of these things and certainly if you're in a culture where grave goods are

04:43:43.400 are celebrated and you are a great man and you're buried with nothing that's a disrespect and if you

04:43:51.160 And you need to have cultural accoutrements in keeping with your status.

04:43:59.480 But that said, in modern times, grave goods really aren't so much of a thing.

04:44:04.440 So I've seen some grave goods put in as a, you know, as a nice gesture and as a token of love from your remaining family.

04:44:16.980 And I think that's beautiful. But I don't think our folk, you know, man, I need a ship and horses and dogs on the other side.

04:44:24.580 So slaughter me some and put them in my grave and then I'm going to have them when I get on the other.

04:44:29.760 I think that's very, very symbolic and not a literal transfer of things.

04:44:38.300 um see i don't think that they are necessary but i do think they serve a very important

04:44:46.280 cultural significance at different times in our in our focus history and i think it's certainly

04:44:52.180 a nice gesture i wanted to say too that you just made me think of it as the difference between

04:44:58.960 sacral butchering in order to share with the gods and and reciprocate versus the sacrifice of an

04:45:06.420 animal to simply place in the state of burial uh i think that that is one of the cultural

04:45:14.260 differences between us now i think our folk do see relevance in sacral butchering of an animal to

04:45:20.840 share so if there was say someone who wanted to um dedicate uh you know like a perfect exam would

04:45:27.660 be like it to make it like plausible for rules on say like youtube or something um if somebody

04:45:35.480 wanted to hold a big luau and have a pig roast in your name that's and but but the pig was alive

04:45:41.980 when it showed up and then then then the pig roast commenced that sacral butchering and that

04:45:48.540 eating of of the animal and sharing with your memory and your memorum is a cultural i think

04:45:55.180 threshold that i would say is acceptable it's i think culturally now killing the animal with

04:46:02.400 no sense of reciprocation for each other is not culturally acceptable anymore it's one of the

04:46:09.040 things of practicality of wasting or not wasting and one of the things that's always been important

04:46:16.640 to our ancestors when doing animal sacrifice was that the meat was shared out in a communal feast

04:46:26.240 it was a part of the communion of sharing with the gods and the folk and once it was

04:46:34.120 sacrificed and the idea the word sacrifice is interesting in itself etymologically

04:46:40.100 because it doesn't mean that something is killed or that something is given up

04:46:45.980 it means that something is made sacred doing rights upon an animal that's then slaughtered

04:46:54.780 and shared amongst the folk the sacrifices doing the ritual it's not the idea of giving it up or

04:47:02.300 giving it away sharing it and consuming it as part of that ritual part of the sacrality

04:47:09.100 and i think it's really um it's relevant to our folk way as opposed to that of other people's

04:47:15.980 on what we do with the creatures that are sacrificed historically

04:47:20.860 um our next question what do you think about the idea of immortality are you against there

04:47:27.760 being some medical way to make it so humans do not die or at least do not die of old age

04:47:34.420 or disease and could live extremely long um no we talked about this a little bit earlier

04:47:41.260 um yeah that was like with the transhumanist yeah I think that

04:47:46.840 i mean you could find any dystopian sci-fi situation where you're harvesting organs and

04:47:55.740 stuff from other people to there's a lot of strange things that you can get into that sound

04:48:01.600 very ghoulish but you know no being honest if there's medical technology that can help me live

04:48:09.640 an extremely long time, I'm all for that. You know, I think that medical knowledge that helps

04:48:17.400 you live a really long time, as long as you're in some kind of a reasonable and dignified state

04:48:24.500 is, is good. I think you can push anything to extremes and it's very easy to go to dystopian

04:48:32.680 hellscapes of these things. But I don't think you necessarily need to go there. In general,

04:48:41.000 medicine and medical things that can extend the life of humans is a good thing. What are your

04:48:47.520 thoughts, Swan? Yeah, I mean, I think spiritually, the idea of thinking is like, well, maybe perhaps

04:48:57.960 it's hubris to think that we could reach a point of immortality so we should be weary of that

04:49:03.640 because you know many stories and from many of our arian brothers and even our own is that hubris

04:49:10.360 is not a good thing so it often finds a way to bite us in the butt so uh departing from hubris

04:49:20.680 and i think that's what else he's talking about is the dystopian sense of like

04:49:24.680 you know keeping the emperor alive in the tomb in order for us to you know galvanize our space

04:49:30.680 frontier under his name while he's just kind of in a jar is creepy um the uh the uh

04:49:42.120 biggest thing i would say though is like within reason if you alleviate yourself of hubris and

04:49:46.680 take it to the point of reason that uh the quality of life is good while it is also long

04:49:52.280 there's many benefits for us to transfer knowledge and history and make sure that

04:49:56.760 things aren't changed so easily amongst our people that could be a benefit for for us to

04:50:03.000 have long lived and long remembering folk and having the ability to pass on that knowledge

04:50:09.320 so that in a generation or two we can't simply just be forgotten about all things that's a benefit

04:50:15.480 uh health wise too you know living longer is good but it's about quality of life

04:50:19.880 and distancing ourselves from hubris but outside of that if there was technology to do it you know

04:50:27.880 sure i mean i i think it would be worth looking into

04:50:34.360 all right uh hey guys i just wanted to say that you all are an inspiration

04:50:39.640 and lit a fire in me to look from within and really study who i am as a person

04:50:45.960 better yet understand my roots and how my ancestors worshiped question would you say

04:50:53.760 our legacy when we die is our salvation so I would have to first question the premise

04:51:03.540 salvation implies that

04:51:08.640 okay in a in a traditional sense in abrahamism salvation is based on the concept that we are

04:51:20.160 born into sin and that our very existence is sinful and that we need to atone for that

04:51:26.860 or be saved from the consequences of that through whatever.

04:51:33.600 We don't believe that.

04:51:36.540 Life is beautiful.

04:51:38.140 Life is good.

04:51:39.460 Our birth, the birth of a new baby is beautiful and good.

04:51:44.360 The natural course of life and death and then going to be with our ancestors is beautiful and good.

04:51:51.240 We have nothing to be saved from.

04:51:54.020 But our legacy is our salvation in terms of, you know, if we were a dirtbag, leaving a better legacy is our hope for, you know, rectifying that.

04:52:11.140 Our legacy is the testament to our worth when we are judged by our ancestors and by our gods as to, you know, where we go in the afterlife and this, you know, our legacy that post-dates our existence.

04:52:30.920 the legacy is very important and it is what we are judged by but salvation is

04:52:38.860 an odd term because it doesn't really apply in our in our faith uh one thing i think is really

04:52:46.240 fundamental about the difference you know one of the very fundamental differences between

04:52:50.680 abrahamism generally and christianity specifically and also true is the bible talks about how

04:52:59.680 So man is saved by faith alone and not by works that none should boast.

04:53:10.220 So your salvation in that system is only based on the benevolence of Jehovah

04:53:15.600 so that you don't get to brag about good things you have done.

04:53:20.720 We're polar opposite to that.

04:53:22.820 your boon or or downfall in the afterlife is based on your deeds it is based on works

04:53:34.820 that you have the ability to boast or not to boast based on those things so it's polar opposite in

04:53:44.300 that regard but yes our legacy is that testament that we are judged by by our gods by our ancestors

04:53:52.660 and by our descendants. Svon, what do you have to add to that?

04:54:01.540 I mean, you covered it well. I don't have much more to add to that, I guess.

04:54:12.280 The only thing I could say is sometimes legacy that you create could be salvation for those who

04:54:19.800 live now and and i'll be very careful and use a lot because you just covered a great point of

04:54:26.520 why salvation is kind of a tricky word but i'll i'll work at it this way the legacy you leave

04:54:32.560 behind uh if it it can be the salvation of those who are living that's why a lot of people will

04:54:41.460 try to attack legacy they'll try to convert uh contort it twist it change it but the belief in

04:54:48.840 who you left as in the legacy of can help those that descend from you the the people that that

04:54:56.680 look upon your legacy or look upon the people that are trying to twist it change it and burn it down

04:55:02.680 this could create the polarization that is needed in order to create

04:55:08.360 a salvation away from ignorance or salvation outside of uh the the you know something that

04:55:15.960 the negative that which draws or dissipates it can help build up your folk later so perhaps

04:55:23.400 not for you but for the people that follow you there's there is a sense that your legacy can

04:55:31.080 lead to uh giving them salvation from ignorance and building better and making stronger all right

04:55:38.360 right? If that makes any sense. So the next question, thoughts on the Proto-Indo-European

04:55:46.640 pantheon. Are they the same as our gods, or are they their own personalities as well?

04:55:53.940 And if they are their own agents, can we still connect with them? This seems to be the oldest

04:56:01.260 European divinity I can find.

04:56:10.520 So again, we run into

04:56:13.100 challenges with words.

04:56:17.820 Yes, they are. So fundamentally, I get your question and I don't want to

04:56:21.280 over nuance it. Yes, they are our gods.

04:56:26.020 Our gods are a reflection

04:56:29.440 of them. Some of our gods might be newer than that, but our oldest gods are absolutely

04:56:39.480 reflections. They are that. In the Germanic and specifically Norse context that we view our gods,

04:56:51.020 This is the lens that our folk have evolved best to see and understand and relate to these gods by.

04:57:02.220 If you were to cast that aside and try to practice Proto-Indo-European religion in its original form,

04:57:14.020 first, I think that you're suffering from a lack of materials to do that in a historically authentic way.

04:57:21.020 And secondly, you are missing out on thousands of years of evolution of relationship between your fathers and your mothers and those divinities.

04:57:33.860 I think that the names and personality that we currently ascribe to our gods is the closest and best that we as a folk and as a race have been able to relate to these divinities.

04:57:51.540 i don't think it is perfect i don't think that we'll ever truly get to perfect but i think that

04:57:58.900 we trend closer and closer towards perfection the longer we engage in the gift cycle and the longer

04:58:05.700 we earnestly worship these gods so you fundamentally do yourself a disservice trying to trace them back

04:58:13.940 to the most ancient iteration of them because sincere people have devoted their lives to

04:58:22.020 evolving that relationship over millennia. So yes, they are the same gods.

04:58:31.860 The things that make them appear different and come to us in different names and different

04:58:37.540 forms at this point are the advances we've made in our cultural and racial relationship

04:58:46.740 to these divinities over the span of eons. What do you have to add to that, Svon?

04:58:55.300 I would say I agree 100%. And I think the only thing that I have an issue with is the observable

04:59:05.500 point of our ancestors um engaging with the gods and realizing in multiplicity that they

04:59:13.580 they have expanded and evolved over time like you said so a lot of times people that are trying to

04:59:19.100 drive back to this indo-european one faithness uh have a tendency to kind of press multiple gods

04:59:27.900 that we we believe we have relationships with into one framework uh and and with with a sense

04:59:35.500 of desperation almost to the point where it's it's kind of strange to me um the the the deus

04:59:42.460 pater argument without conceptualization of the tripartite of the sky without talking about how

04:59:49.660 every aryan branch has a dynamic god a static god and a and a catalystic god of the sky the

04:59:57.500 tripartite is there and it is very real and you can conceptualize and say oh well all those gods

05:00:02.220 are just one god and that god is dios pater and what disservice are you doing in that regards um

05:00:09.660 to your ancestors and to to the very names and the etymological formings of those of the of the way

05:00:15.420 we interact with those gods you're you're basically just washing it all away and and turning into

05:00:21.980 this is and i'm not saying you specifically but these people are doing this and they're doing it

05:00:26.140 in a way in which they kind of funnel everything down into sky daddy earth mommy and our our um

05:00:34.780 i mean that's like it's like trad wiccanism in in a way and it's um it's it's like it's cool because

05:00:43.500 the way they do it is through like traditional linguistics and things like that um but at the

05:00:49.340 end of the day what they are still doing is getting rid of the the nuanced differences um

05:00:55.500 between our people if we see olden as our dynamic throne and we see thor as our cattle at a

05:01:02.220 catalystic throne and we see frey or tear in the stasis throne you go and look amongst the hellenics

05:01:09.020 and see jove or uh deus uh jupiter and you see uh you know um hadis and uh poseidon and start

05:01:21.900 looking at the tripartites and looking at the thrones that they move through and then you look

05:01:25.740 at svalrog and perun and velez and you start to see there's a lot more going on than simply ah

05:01:32.700 sky daddy earthmon um and it there's a lot of cramming going on and so you're taking

05:01:41.980 kind of the the the individuals that make up a nation you're just kind of cramming them

05:01:48.540 into a framework you need and that i i think is unwise i don't think that's very pious and i

05:01:54.540 don't think that's very uh respectful so i'm only saying be careful of this i could understand if

05:02:02.540 perhaps people want to linguistically speak of like odin as woden or as as votan or and things

05:02:11.180 like that or see thor as thunoras or thunor and they're they're they're playing around

05:02:17.260 etymologically to create connections to their ethnicity or just the desire to do that for fun

05:02:23.500 i don't you know i don't think that's wrong i don't think that's done impiously um but when

05:02:30.380 you get too far into it uh and the other thing is is that as i was here ago they said is that our

05:02:36.940 branch has i think a significant claim on the uh correctness based on the least amount of

05:02:47.900 molestation from outside forces and in doing so we have enough fragments and gaps that we have to

05:02:55.900 cover you know those gaps and fragments get even bigger when you start talking about the

05:03:00.620 aryan so that as a lot of people want to say the proto-indo-european

05:03:07.020 um those gaps get even bigger and so you're you're like desperately pushing yourself into even

05:03:14.860 further gaps and then we have to wait for linguistics and archaeology

05:03:19.740 yeah when you cut everything way back and you try to go back to the original source

05:03:24.940 proto-indo-european, you'll find that most of those gods and most of the words that they use

05:03:35.060 are theoretical. They're best guesses based on very fragmentary things.

05:03:41.960 Though they are the same gods, we find those gods evolved to the best conception we currently have

05:03:52.140 of them through the way that we're doing it now. To go back and cast out, you know, 5,000 years of

05:04:01.840 baby with the bathwater in order to go to the most ancient square one understanding of our

05:04:11.380 gods is a disservice to all our ancestors that have come before us that have evolved that.

05:04:16.460 um and it's hard enough right now to fill the holes of connectivity that spawn talked about

05:04:24.460 it's exponentially harder when we're comparing that to the theorized proto-indo-european

05:04:32.820 conception of things and so much of that is still in the realm of theory and not in the realm of

05:04:38.320 of solid uh information and and and i would like i think on both of our parts to say to this person

05:04:45.560 that bear in mind we are huge fans of like the book deep ancestors we've referenced numerous

05:04:52.440 so don't take this as like an affront on that regards it's just that it's not tangible enough

05:04:58.200 and what we do have is tangible so why would i give yeah see the points of connection see the

05:05:05.400 commonalities don't search for difference um because it enriches what we do if you're looking

05:05:12.840 for commonality um so the final question we have this evening one of my favorite stories in our

05:05:21.080 lore is in the gilfagening where thor goes through a series of challenges and fails them only for

05:05:29.080 utgard loki to reveal them as illusion aside from this being an entertaining story is there any

05:05:36.840 deeper meaning behind this story it's fun what thoughts do you have on this yeah i think it's

05:05:42.840 imperative to to remember the reason why jotunheim is in the middle and to the east and why thor

05:05:50.920 comes down or he there's a river that that they talk about transitioning between the upper realm

05:05:56.120 and and the middle that is not connected to the earth but is connected between heaven and

05:06:01.640 and uh jotenheim and i think a lot of people get caught on the idea that a river means that

05:06:10.160 everything is on the same plane no in mythological stories a river is a solid point separated by

05:06:17.660 unsolidness and then solidified on the other end so it's a liminal space and that's why the

05:06:24.360 what the rivers truly represent is that they're they're they they're encapsulating spots or

05:06:31.300 creating barriers that involve transitional space we've always seen this in our in arian faith you

05:06:38.500 know a very common thing for groves is to have waterway or to have a small bridge to ride over

05:06:44.020 or walk over before you enter a sacred grove uh or area because that was like separating you you've

05:06:50.580 left one place and gone to another um it's really important in that story because we're talking about

05:06:56.900 what um the forces he's engaging are in the middle he the the forces that thor engages is

05:07:04.260 jormungandr and jormungandr is a force in the middle directly connected to the material and

05:07:11.220 in specifics the world and um again with with the grandmother grandmother ada um is time itself

05:07:20.740 time is of course something that we've talked about the linearness of time and i think it

05:07:24.820 points out to the fact that when the gods do enter into the middle they are in kind of this the flow

05:07:32.020 of it and thor resisted that direct font um and it's that's i think a cool part of the story um

05:07:43.300 the other parts like when we talk about uh loki and lowey it's l-o-g-i but the g is probably soft

05:07:49.940 so it's lowly wildfire and loki that caused a lot of confusion for people i think again

05:07:55.140 reiterating that loki and fire and then of course the alfi and um hue uh huey which again is thought

05:08:02.980 is mine i wonder how much of that was entertainment value um the things around thor seem to be very

05:08:11.940 very built around actual middle world like the the changing of the tide while drinking the moving of

05:08:21.300 of Jormungandr and the font of time itself are all deeply connected to the middle um it's just

05:08:28.500 worth noting like the Alfie races against thought and local you know fights against wildfire and

05:08:34.020 I think it's just re-emphasizing again these middle um fields of the far end of Jotunheim

05:08:40.140 the resistance. Again, Jotunheim is where primordial resistance emanates from. Time is

05:08:47.200 resisting against Thor. Jormungandr is resisting against Thor. And the tides themselves are

05:08:54.160 resisting against Thor's power and movement. That's really what that story is about. Jotunheim

05:08:59.780 is always about primordial resistance. And so when he, at the end, of course, in the heroic fashion

05:09:08.680 is don't ever come back here i'm shutting this door and you're never allowed to come back because

05:09:12.680 if i had known who you really were i wouldn't have let you in shuts the doors disappears and

05:09:20.040 they head back home um that's classic nordic storytelling of of um setting up the the parody

05:09:31.000 and then opening up to the to the uh the truth they they do this too with thor in many different

05:09:37.320 cases when he has to go and and be humiliated and dressed like freya but then when he kills

05:09:43.940 everyone in the hall the moment he gets the the hammer back is that's that dichotomy again too is

05:09:49.440 is kind of the the jibe and then the result is you see the true nature and it's terrifying and

05:09:56.520 it's scary and it's ultimately far more powerful than the joke involved so the moral of that is

05:10:02.580 don't make jibes at the striker or you get struck. Yeah, I think that this standout in that

05:10:11.120 isn't that, you know, Thor fails in those things, but how close he comes to succeeding,

05:10:18.980 that's shocking. You know, they think they've got these very primal elemental forces think

05:10:26.980 that they've, you know, put some insurmountable task before him. And then they're genuinely

05:10:34.220 terrified by how close he comes to overcoming it. The potency of our gods in the face of

05:10:45.620 insurmountable odds, and that striking terror in the forces that would oppose them. I think

05:10:52.640 that's the thing that uh that stands out most to me in that story and i find you know very special

05:11:02.960 some something you said just hit me just now you said your lack of awareness does not mean

05:11:09.520 that it earlier in the questions your lack of awareness does not mean that you have no effect

05:11:15.680 in that story the entirety of the story is is that he's consistently saying i don't understand

05:11:21.600 why I can't do this. I don't understand what's going on. I can't empty the horn. I can't lift

05:11:26.180 the cat. I can't crush the grandma. But yet the effect is the reality. The reality is just it's

05:11:33.340 not perceived or known yet. But still strive on. It's kind of like what we were reiterating before

05:11:41.060 in the episode was even though you don't know the effects of your efforts, you should still

05:11:47.880 commit to deed absolutely those who have the ability to see the second sight also see through

05:11:55.020 illusion you know thor sitting there frustrated that he can't finish this horn no matter how hard

05:12:02.260 he tries while you know those who can see are sitting there on the bank where'd the ocean go

05:12:09.840 what's going on yes um i think that's really good and i appreciate you pointing that out because

05:12:16.480 that's that's important just because you don't see the effect that you have

05:12:24.480 doesn't negate the potency of that effect those who can see see

05:12:31.120 everyone doesn't see your actions all the time but the gods see um

05:12:39.120 so things count even if it doesn't seem like it at the moment stuff counts

05:12:46.480 And whether you see the effect of your actions or not, your actions are meaningful and have effect, not just in this world, but in all worlds.

05:12:59.320 Thank you guys so much.

05:13:00.780 This is a really important topic tonight.

05:13:02.740 You guys have had a lot of really great questions.

05:13:09.820 Wasn't six hours, but it's five hours.

05:13:12.440 It's five hours and 15 minutes.

05:13:13.980 is a pretty pretty good pretty good size broadcast um yeah thank you guys very much

05:13:21.980 uh whoops whoops okay there's one last question but nope we already went over this question but

05:13:27.180 i'll i'll wrap it up gentlemen is there a right way or proper burial for one of our folk uh that

05:13:34.940 will help them in the afterlife funeral pyre cremation etc talked about this earlier there's

05:13:40.940 different customs in different places and in different times of our ancestors there's no one

05:13:45.580 right way in the astral folk assembly we believe we have a preference for cremation cremation

05:13:53.580 came in with the cult of the all-father and it um it was believed to disintegrate the different

05:14:03.020 separation pieces of the soul the quickest and move you the quickest from this world

05:14:09.180 to where you're supposed to be on the other side and it would hasten that by that quick

05:14:14.940 uh quick destruction of the leak um so that is that's what we think doing that and then having

05:14:22.460 your ashes and your remains um interred in one of our sacred locations allows a piece of yourself

05:14:31.740 to be tied to our holy ground and to continue to be with us and amongst us when we gather when we

05:14:38.940 do our rituals and in a very visceral way it keeps you part of the folk part of our folk

05:14:45.740 so that's what we think is the best way um but yeah guys thank you so much

05:14:52.140 it's been great i enjoy these i know i'm looking a little bit tired i'm not gonna lie i'm pretty

05:14:56.860 retired, but I've thoroughly enjoyed it. And I'm looking forward to next time I talk to you guys.

05:15:02.280 Svon, thank you so much, as always, for joining us and sharing your wisdom.

05:15:08.320 Thank you for having me.

05:15:10.260 All right, guys. Y'all have a good night. Until next time,

05:15:14.160 hail the gods, hail the folk, hail the AFA. Remember that victory never sleeps.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - May 18, 2023

5⧸17⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 45 - Death

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