Asatru Folk Assembly - 5⧸21⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 150 - Völsunga Saga, Part V

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00:03:00.000 hello and welcome to this week's edition of victory never sleeps tonight's fawn and i will

00:03:15.040 engage in part five of our epic uh volsunga saga series it's been a lot of fun so far i hope

00:03:24.240 everybody else has been enjoying it as well um we are going to start on chapter 22 this evening

00:03:37.840 for those of you guys following along exactly the source we're using is velispow.org

00:03:45.360 and you can find this there under the sagas uh button at the bottom but you know as always

00:03:53.920 please feel free to follow along in whatever translation or version that you might have.

00:04:05.020 Housekeeping stuff.

00:04:09.260 Coming up next month, it's coming up fast.

00:04:12.780 We have Midsummer at Odensau.

00:04:16.020 This is going to be kind of the peak celebration of our 30th anniversary.

00:04:23.920 uh it is likely to be the biggest event of the year it's going to be at odin's hof that's in

00:04:30.240 brownsville california if you guys can make that we would love to see out there it is a

00:04:36.880 amazing hof it's our oldest hof um this fall it will we will have had odin's hof for 10 years

00:04:45.120 amazing things have happened there and continue to happen there and we've got a crew now there

00:04:56.780 who has taken the best care of it we've ever seen we've got volunteers there tending that holy space

00:05:03.920 all the time yeah it's a real special spot we would love to share it with all of you

00:05:10.040 So if you're interested, contact your local folk builder.

00:05:13.480 We can get you squared away on that.

00:05:15.560 That's going to be June 27th through the 29th.

00:05:19.340 And as I said, that's at Odenshoff in Brownsville, California.

00:05:23.620 The following month, we have a Sigurbloat at Sigurheim in Jackson County, Tennessee.

00:05:31.340 This will be the third annual Sigurbloat there.

00:05:36.780 That is also a really special place.

00:05:39.580 We've got big plans for that site in the coming years.

00:05:45.820 We are very excited about that.

00:05:48.020 We'd love to share that celebration with you guys.

00:05:51.260 It's located in a really cool area.

00:05:53.360 It's very accessible to a lot of our membership.

00:05:55.680 We would love to see everybody there.

00:05:57.680 And that's going to be July the 25th through the 27th.

00:06:02.120 So, yeah, if you guys can, we would love to have you guys out there.

00:06:06.580 and again contact your local folk builder

00:06:10.160 they can get you all squared away

00:06:11.500 and the following month

00:06:15.400 in August we have

00:06:17.980 Freyfaxi at Baldershof

00:06:20.100 that's going to be August the 22nd

00:06:23.120 through the 24th

00:06:24.640 that's at Baldershof in Murdoch, Minnesota

00:06:27.080 also an amazing event

00:06:29.400 at an amazing place at a hoff

00:06:31.600 that's truly special

00:06:32.640 we would love to see everyone there

00:06:34.880 I'm looking forward to sharing that with everybody and meeting any of you I haven't met and getting together with those of you who I haven't seen in a while.

00:06:44.480 So if you are able to make that, please contact your local folk builder, then get you all squared away.

00:06:53.460 Update on our efforts to pay off Njordsov.

00:06:58.480 I've been pushing it a lot lately.

00:07:00.380 I appreciate you guys bearing with me, but it's been effective.

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00:07:07.460 We've made tremendous progress towards it.

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00:07:14.720 We are 84.4% of the way paid off on that.

00:07:19.780 It's really ramped up in the last couple of months.

00:07:22.380 um we currently owe thirty seven thousand nine hundred and seventy nine dollars i know that's

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00:10:57.280 um for those a brief recap um sigurd has uh slain fafnir he also decapitates um rayon the

00:11:13.220 blacksmith who was plotting against him who was basically using him as a pawn to get rid of the

00:11:19.300 dragon. Um, and, uh, because he consumes the blood, um, he, of the dragon, he can hear the

00:11:28.300 birds speak and they tell him, oh, this poor kid doesn't even know that he's about to get,

00:11:32.720 uh, bushwhacked by his friend. And he, uh, ends that. And then, you know, he takes the gold

00:11:40.760 And he makes his his move. And then he gains the word of knowing that there is a Valkyrie, a Valkyrie that is on top of a mountain ringed in fire.

00:11:57.760 so he decides i'm gonna go there and i'm going to uh break through there and he does

00:12:04.080 and he awakens from her slumber which again huge fairy tale uh kind of trope there in the sense

00:12:15.360 that uh you can kind of see where a lot of these fairy tales most likely got their um

00:12:22.800 this inspiration from he wakes her up and when he does she tells him why she was in slumber

00:12:31.120 she had went against the edict and the will of lord othen and was punished but then she breaks

00:12:38.480 out so much lore to help him and this is a huge arian uh story concept is the the um

00:12:50.560 The feminine power is in a place that is cordoned off, and it takes a great feat to get through it.

00:13:01.660 And then once you do, there is this gaining of knowledge. 0.60

00:13:05.800 There's this bestowment of power.

00:13:08.560 This visceral power is placed into Sigurd, where he will then take it and manifest his will.

00:13:17.240 We see this very similarly with Lord Odin going under Sutung's mountain and drinking of Kvasir's blood and making the meat of poetry.

00:13:29.140 And there Gunlov is the feminine.

00:13:32.400 We see it also outside of the Germanic.

00:13:35.480 King Arthur received the sword, Excalibur, from the Lady of the Lake.

00:13:42.280 and uh again there there is just a i can't be emphasized enough about the culmination of power

00:13:53.120 of the feminine and then the bestowment of power on the masculine and then the masculine takes that

00:14:00.140 power and goes into the world to carve out uh his will and um we find this over and over and over

00:14:11.560 again. So I, um, I really enjoy that. Plus there was runic knowledge that was dropped in there.

00:14:20.340 So for the folks that maybe didn't get it last time, I would definitely recommend going back

00:14:25.020 and reading. If you're on, uh, the lust bow.org, you know, and we're on chapter 22, check out

00:14:30.780 chapter 21, chapter 20, uh, very interesting things, um, in which she is telling secrets of

00:14:38.540 the runes uh as per chance i would i would presume that it was because of the knowledge

00:14:45.260 passed down from lord othen himself um so uh at that point he thanks her for bestowing him

00:14:57.100 with all of this glory and you know ends on the poetic words you know i i am i'm blessed

00:15:04.280 of the sons of men and she said yes you are because I had choice of uh any man or any of the

00:15:11.780 sons of men but I choose you and there's still a sense there that even though he came in and freed

00:15:18.260 her from her slumber it wasn't until she voluntarily said I I bestow this wisdom I am I am linked to

00:15:29.880 you um and then it when he leaves from here he is adorned in the great wisdom and power uh it's

00:15:42.120 almost a literal sense because he goes there and gains this knowledge and then when he leaves he

00:15:47.320 is bedecked in everything that would make a warrior of the age salivate uh it's just the

00:15:55.720 the uh the pinnacle the zenith of of warriordom as he leaves this place so

00:16:03.400 then chapter 22 of the semblance and array of sigurd fafnir's bane so now that's his title he

00:16:11.760 is the the dragon slayer fafnir's bane and um he is leaving this mountain and he says uh it says

00:16:21.500 now Sigurd rides away many folded is his shield and I I was looking at the translation of this

00:16:30.360 the word that's used is is uh folder which means to fold and then uh Marg is is uh pinched or um

00:16:41.740 compressed so the only guess I had in this translation because it was sticking out to me

00:16:48.020 was that there was perhaps either a folding of the metal

00:16:52.140 or a folding of the wood in the panelings of the shield

00:16:56.080 or many layered shields.

00:16:58.940 But I just thought that was very odd that they mentioned it.

00:17:02.760 So he has a tightly folded or layered shield.

00:17:07.140 And it is blazing with red gold.

00:17:13.080 And the image of a dragon is drawn thereon.

00:17:16.000 and the same was dark brown above and bright red below and with even such like image was adorned

00:17:25.620 a helm and saddle and coat armor and he was clad with a golden bear knee which is a chainmail shirt

00:17:35.000 uh usually stopping mid bicep and going down just above the knees um and was often either

00:17:43.560 donned by going over the head or uh tying and pinching together um and all of his weapons

00:17:53.180 were wrought with gold so now we have the emblazoned warrior um his colors you know the

00:18:02.420 red and brown with the red gold images of the dragon all over his helm on his shield and

00:18:09.040 And then he's wearing, and they say, you know, he has a coat armor, and I don't know if this perhaps is lending to a different type of armor placed over the bernie, perhaps like a robe-like garment, leather, perhaps metal ensconced in leather that's kind of placed over the bernie.

00:18:35.940 But they seem to be two separate things.

00:18:39.040 And now for this cause was the drake drawn on all of his weapons, that when he was seen of men, all folk might know who went there.

00:18:52.620 I, all those who had heard of his slaying of that great dragon, that the Vor-rings call Thafnir, and for that cause are his weapons gold-wrought and brown of hue, and that he was far above other men in courtesy and in goodly manners, and well nigh in all things else.

00:19:15.280 And when as folk tell of the mightiest champions and of the noblest chiefs, then ever is he named the foremost, and his name goes wide about on all tongues north of the sea of the Greek lands, and even so shall it be while the world endures.

00:19:37.480 So all the way south to the land of the Greeks or the Mediterranean and northward to the vaulted lands of the Norse Germanics.

00:19:55.780 now the hair of this sigurd was gold red of hue fair-fashioned and falling down in great locks

00:20:08.000 thick and short was the beard and of no other color he was high-nosed broad and high-boned

00:20:17.360 of face so keen were his eyes that few durst gaze up under the brows of him

00:20:24.440 His shoulders were broad to look on as shoulders of two. Most dually was his body fashioned betwixt height and breadth.

00:20:38.240 So he has fair and reddish blonde hair laying down in locks, and he has a short beard that's cut close but thickly.

00:20:57.080 And he is not too tall, and he is not too stout.

00:21:03.180 He is the perfect admixture of the two for himself.

00:21:06.560 And his eyes are keen and driving so that it was rare that people would lock eyes with him.

00:21:14.960 He had an intimidating gaze.

00:21:18.780 And he was also, again, in goodly manner.

00:21:26.020 I think that's really important for people to pick out.

00:21:30.820 He was a noble acting.

00:21:32.840 He was kind when kindness was deserved, and knew the ways of interaction with folks that was best befitting a noble soul.

00:21:48.340 And in such wise was seemliness.

00:21:53.160 Now, seemliness, and this kind of correlates to a question that's in the queue. Seemly is the Germanic word for honorable. So to do something unseemly is to do something of no honor, or at least in a social sense.

00:22:12.700 It may not necessarily be in a criminality sense, but, um, a lot of the Latin and Germanic, uh, conjunction of, or not conjunction of words, but usage in certain ways.

00:22:28.440 And this writing certainly has a lot more of the Germanic usages.

00:22:34.720 We were talking about victory and the Germanic equivalencies.

00:22:41.900 So that's why I just saw that seemliness.

00:22:44.900 He was wise and was of the seemly seemliest.

00:22:48.500 And this is the sign told of his height, that when he was girt with his sword, Grom, which same was seven spans long, as he went through the full-grown rye fields, the dew shoe of the said sword smote the ears of the standing corn.

00:23:13.740 And for all that, greater was his strength than his growth.

00:23:17.120 So the the do shoe, I looked into that a little bit.

00:23:23.880 And the only thing I can ascertain from that is the bottom of the sheath, the metal piece that keeps the sword from poking out of the bottom of the sheath is touching the top of the rye grass that he walks in.

00:23:44.060 kind of again giving him just a massive stature um and i mean i would guess probably around six

00:23:53.640 foot five um and but his strength was just as strong if not stronger than his his mass and

00:24:03.420 this shows the perception of our ancestors they did know that there were people who were tall

00:24:08.360 but not strong. That there was people who were perhaps short and round, but exceedingly,

00:24:15.640 you know, strong or stable. And they're saying his proportions fit to where he was all of these

00:24:23.680 things. Well, could he wield a sword and cast forth a spear? He could also shoot a shaft or

00:24:33.840 an arrow and he could hold a shield bend a bow um back a horse and do all the goodly deeds that he

00:24:42.560 learned in his youthful days so again these are also just markers of things that warriors should

00:24:52.160 know and for a lot of folks you know they wonder about the usage i think uh most of uh the nordic

00:25:00.000 um our ancestors or just germanic in general are not generally seen as using bows up until the

00:25:06.800 english longbowmen of the middle the medieval uh or middle ages and um no they were clearly used

00:25:14.000 and it speaks of the fact that they were probably of a good strength if the testament of being able

00:25:20.160 to bend a bow was uh impressive so um but yet not only was his strength it was his mind wise he was

00:25:32.160 to know things yet undone and the voice of all fowls he knew and that again kind of also comes

00:25:38.960 from the fact that of the blood obviously clearly being able to understand the birds um where a few

00:25:45.920 things fell on him unawares so he was uh understanding of both fate and of the the

00:25:52.720 songs of birds of many words he was and so fair of speech with all that whensoever he made it his

00:26:04.160 business to speak so again uh ferret with words meaning that he didn't speak over much um but

00:26:14.160 when he did speak he never left speaking before that to all men it seemed full sure that no

00:26:21.600 otherwise must the matter then be said so he would speak and then uh

00:26:28.960 there was no over talking from it he would settle conversations um his sport and pleasure it was to

00:26:38.240 give aid to his own folk and to prove himself in mighty matters and to take wealth from his

00:26:45.920 unfriends found that as an interesting translation and give it to his friends um

00:26:54.640 i would not want to be an unfriend um never did he lose heart and not was he a dread

00:27:02.560 so he was not prone to bout of depression or um darkness he was a man of action um

00:27:14.960 and and fulfilled that i think in in every again this is a slice of

00:27:24.480 what you should aspire to nobody in the room or in the audience as the skull is speaking this story

00:27:31.120 Nobody in there should be tearing Sigurd down. No one is like, well, you know, he isn't as big as they say. No, this is the aspiration to drive towards.

00:27:49.740 And again, that aspiration has been culled from mortality into semi-divine.

00:27:57.960 And every warrior should seek to be that, is kind of the laying of that.

00:28:06.360 And that's the end of chapter 22.

00:28:12.720 Chapter 23, Sigurd comes to Kimdal.

00:28:19.740 so I want to before we do that because I think this is

00:28:30.480 it's important to make note of the things that

00:28:38.520 we're seeing in an outs-to-true context as being

00:28:43.800 exemplary or fitting for

00:28:49.740 their idealized person and you have to work a little bit harder sometimes to see that in a female

00:28:58.700 equivalent i think you see it really plainly and recurringly in the male um you know ideal

00:29:11.580 but i often you know i wonder

00:29:13.580 I don't want folks to ever think that that's locked in a historical period these things

00:29:27.660 were exemplary about him his stature his power his skill his knowledge of things but also his

00:29:43.580 his bearing his countenance his attitude on things and it's hard because it's not our lore

00:29:52.740 is not itemized in like the most accessible way to download information you have to absorb it

00:30:01.140 from a lot of different fragments a lot of different places and kind of integrate it into

00:30:06.700 your your worldview and your understanding over time but it's talked about again and again about

00:30:13.980 how noble people how great warriors how heroes how princes sons ought to be the bearing they

00:30:22.860 ought to have what we see consistently is this idea of battle might um

00:30:37.420 and i know that that might seem harder to access or harder to conceptualize

00:30:45.340 today in in the same way we don't have the same need to uh throw spears or to loose arrows

00:30:56.380 or to wield swords as our ancestors did but the capability of

00:31:05.340 being formidable to the challenges that present themselves matters. The ability to face opposition

00:31:20.460 with skill and with might. The physical bearing that speaks of health, that speaks of being

00:31:30.200 strong and mighty and fit for physical challenges is every bit as relevant today as it once was.

00:31:39.520 And it is useful, I think, to realize that and really absorb that.

00:31:47.360 But also, more than that, what's spoken about, and we see a little glimpse of it here,

00:31:53.260 is the idea of being joyous and being courageous.

00:32:00.200 in our lore it's spoke well about being joyous through your struggles to be able to keep glad

00:32:12.880 men it's described in the have them all to have you know

00:32:18.060 To be able to hold your head up under adverse conditions and to not just kind of grit your teeth and bear through it, but be able to be cheerful and happy to be around through the struggles in your life and through the challenges that you face.

00:32:43.480 You know, in the saga of Ragnar Lothbrok, there's his, you know, his death song where he's laughing even under the face of death.

00:32:57.080 That's really important.

00:32:58.780 And it's particularly important in a day and age to where mental illness affects our people a lot now.

00:33:07.240 But more than like clinical mental illness, overall depression and feeling beat down affects us tremendously today, especially young men in this day and age.

00:33:21.880 aspiring to and

00:33:25.660 I get that one can't just

00:33:30.100 choose to be happy

00:33:32.060 or choose to not feel a certain way

00:33:34.640 but it's more than a passive admonition

00:33:39.380 to like yeah it's good to be happy

00:33:41.020 no all of these things are active things to strive for

00:33:46.700 if you are someone who is depressed

00:33:50.880 try your best to fix it not just hoping it gets better but actively pursuing ways to make that

00:33:57.920 better it's not just for the sake of yourself but for those around you one of the other things

00:34:04.240 that's implied in all these things is these people's ability to lead other men and to interact

00:34:12.240 with others. When a man of worth of our ancestors would be glad in the face of battle, would be bold

00:34:25.640 and courageous in the face of fear, it inspired those around him to share that or to live up to

00:34:33.300 it or to strive towards that. We all owe that to one another. We owe it especially to our families

00:34:40.300 and especially younger men coming up after us to keep a smile on our face to show and display

00:34:49.660 courage in the face of opposition and to have a glad heart as we engage in the struggles of life

00:34:59.020 and it's very often we idealize like yeah if i was facing a dragon i'd do this and this but if

00:35:06.540 i'm facing a problem at work or a family member who's gonna call me mean names or whatever else

00:35:14.940 and i say it like it's silly no all of those things bother me too like i i get that but

00:35:21.340 rising up to the occasion and conceptualizing courage and positive attitude outside of a

00:35:32.860 early medieval or mythical context, I think is a big challenge for a lot of our folk. And I think

00:35:40.880 it's something that, you know, we all know when we read this and seems common sense, but I don't

00:35:48.320 know if we stop and meditate on it. And I don't know if we incorporate it into our thought process

00:35:55.980 and how we evaluate our actions in the world around us. And I would encourage everyone to do

00:36:01.200 that. And this is just kind of a good example of reinforcing that depiction of what our ancestors

00:36:07.540 thought the ideal man ought to be. I was nodding and kind of laughing when you said that because

00:36:17.120 again, the idea that some of our folk, the men folk will say, you know, brother, I'm standing,

00:36:25.720 i'm in your shield wall i'm shoulder to shoulder with you um and in essence they're speaking about

00:36:32.360 it like they would slay that dragon but um then they run away when there's you know i don't i'm

00:36:41.960 media or the the path darkens a little bit in in the real world and they the dragon

00:36:49.960 stand shoulder to shoulder with me if we're facing armed you know burgundians but you won't

00:36:59.060 stand shoulder to shoulder with me in a picture of us smiling worshiping our gods or you know

00:37:04.640 show up bold in the face of whatever but you won't you know you won't show your show your

00:37:11.040 face or use your real name when you when you interact on the internet or or in places where

00:37:17.320 it's visible. And I realize that there's a lot of people that are made uncomfortable when I say

00:37:25.100 those things. But again, it's not just about you and your circumstance. The more of us are courageous

00:37:32.780 about living our lives openly and proudly for the things that we believe in, the easier it is for

00:37:40.280 those who come behind us to take courage and the more of us that show courage and live courageously

00:37:49.720 the more progress we make there is no courage without risk of consequence

00:37:59.560 um i don't know did you want to go for questions too since we're shifting into the next one or did

00:38:05.480 you want to oh no let's just go ahead and go on the next one okay

00:38:14.440 all right so sigurd comes to him down fourth sigurd finds till he come i love the use of like

00:38:25.080 going forth go forth he does until he finds or confides uh in this in this place uh fourth

00:38:34.520 Sigurd finds till he comes to a great and goodly dwelling. The Lord whereof was a mighty chief

00:38:42.840 called Heimir, or Heimir, excuse me, Heimir. He had to wife a sister of Brunhild. So her,

00:38:56.220 and this again the valkyrie figure is just like in um in uh helgi hundings bana she is divine but

00:39:07.980 also mortal she has a father and uh siblings and then at the same time is also doing the work of

00:39:17.660 lord othen um so his sister is or excuse me her sister is married to haemir the the king of this

00:39:31.500 land uh he had to wife and her name was beckhild because she had bitten at home and learned

00:39:45.580 handicraft whereas brunhild fared with helm and bernie unto wars wherefore was she called brunhild

00:39:56.380 so um again the uh the usage of the name there but brunhild means the the chain

00:40:05.020 shirt so her name kind of translates to the armor or the chain shirt of battle um

00:40:11.900 And I have not looked up Beckhildr in reference to, but she is a woman who knows the ways

00:40:21.860 of the home. 0.88

00:40:23.220 She knows how to do things that better the home and better the folk there.

00:40:29.860 And Heimir and Beckhild had a son and his name was Alsvid.

00:40:36.740 says owls wid in english but also meaning um all fast or or very swift all swift and he was the

00:40:47.380 most courteous of men now at this stead were men disporting them abroad but when they see the man

00:40:57.140 riding there too they leave their play to want to wonder at him so here they're they're having sport

00:41:05.140 they're doing something afield um you know playing playing some sort of game and when

00:41:11.940 they see him crest over the hill they all run to see who's who's coming um

00:41:20.180 for none such had they ever seen arist so that went they went to meet him and gave him good

00:41:27.380 welcome all smith bade him abide and have such things at his hands as he would and he takes his

00:41:36.260 bidding blithesomely due service with all was established four men bore the treasure of gold

00:41:46.820 from off the horse and the fifth took took it to him to guard the same so all of the treasure of

00:41:54.500 fafnir is on um sigurd's horse he's bedecked out in gold and and and steel and they run forward

00:42:06.340 and they greet him kindly and four of them take the treasure relieve the goal like take the gold

00:42:15.060 off the horse to relieve the horse and then a fifth man swears to sigurd that he will defend

00:42:22.100 his property he will defend his treasure um and there's you know not a moment where they're like

00:42:28.560 they're kind of coming into pilfer no this kind of great sense to to want to be able to help a great

00:42:36.940 warrior um so they they bear the treasure and the fifth took took it to guard the same therein

00:42:45.520 were many things to behold things of great price seldom seen and great game and joy of men

00:42:52.400 had to look on bernies and helms and mighty rings and wondrous great gold stoops and all

00:43:00.480 kinds of war weapons so there dwelt sigurd long and great honor holden and tidings of that deed

00:43:08.120 of fame spread wide through all the lands of how he had slain that hideous and fearful dragon

00:43:14.560 so good joints had they together each was leal to the other and their sport was arraying of the

00:43:24.160 weapons and the chafing of arrows and the flyings of their falcons so he comes there and he's you

00:43:34.860 know seeing the weapon i can i can just relate in the sense of like somebody showing up with just a

00:43:41.840 big old bag of guns and it's like guns you've never seen before and your eyes get like saucers

00:43:47.880 and um and and you want to test them out you want to shoot the arrows and so he is uh greeted there

00:43:56.960 and uh the warriors do as warriors do and he is celebrated um yeah well there's a couple of things

00:44:07.780 First, in the side chat, Pacific Northwest, he mentions a have them all verse relevant to what we were talking about at the end of the last chapter.

00:44:22.460 And that's have them all 15.

00:44:25.260 The son of a king shall be silent and wise and bold in battle as well.

00:44:29.800 Bravely and gladly a man shall go to the day of his death is gone.

00:44:34.680 Yeah.

00:44:34.800 So, yeah, no, that's a stanza that I like a great deal and that I think all of our men, Swan and myself included, will all do well to frequently take to heart and use as a measuring stick of how we carry ourselves and how we behave.

00:44:57.360 We owe it to one another to be both.

00:45:01.260 And I like the juxtaposition of these two things or the pairing of these two things, I suppose, to be both brave and joyous, to bravely and gladly do a task or go through life's struggles.

00:45:20.680 That means a lot, and it is much easier said than done.

00:45:24.100 But, you know, carrying yourself in a joyous way and a brave fashion is so very important and is such an inspiration to those around you, be they your family, be they men and women who are in your presence and look to you, for example.

00:45:46.460 One of the other things I think is just kind of interesting about this passage, you know, Spahn talks about how these guys are excited to be helping out a great hero and to be in his company.

00:45:57.040 Our ancestors weren't silly.

00:46:00.480 Yes, the stories that make it to us are the lays of heroes, but they realize that everybody in society is not sicker there.

00:46:11.500 But there is a tremendous honor and benefit and something to aspire to be in the company of great men, to be in their retinue, to be in their service, to be led by them, to be with them.

00:46:32.960 there is

00:46:34.900 there is an honor

00:46:37.380 and a power in that that our ancestors

00:46:39.400 looked to everybody wasn't trying

00:46:41.480 to buy with one another to

00:46:43.200 you know think they had some

00:46:45.320 equality of stature no

00:46:47.300 when you recognized greatness

00:46:49.240 being you know

00:46:52.980 there was no shame in serving a

00:46:55.300 great lord you didn't have to be the

00:46:57.380 king yourself

00:46:58.180 you being in the service of a great king

00:47:01.360 was an honor and people

00:47:02.540 figured out their place in the pecking order you aspired to the best things you could achieve

00:47:08.640 but you took great honor in being in the service of someone who is great of a great king of a great

00:47:16.320 lord in the in the band of a of a great hero was a tremendous honor whether or not you're the hero

00:47:22.540 or whether you're playing more of a support role there's a tremendous dignity in that

00:47:27.280 yeah i think i i'm uh definitely prone to bouts of darkness and grimness after the fact of things

00:47:38.940 i think when i'm in the middle of really hard times i can be almost inappropriately be when

00:47:46.500 other people are very stern um but then afterwards i can go into these great bouts of darkness and i

00:47:54.380 You know, battling that is, I think, very important. I think there was a wise man that said that you live through a crucible, but are defeated by the ghosts of that event.

00:48:10.180 And he was saying, how could you imagine that you you you go through this crucible that makes you stronger, makes you who you are, but then you are destroyed by the ghosts of it.

00:48:22.700 and that's almost an insult to the moment.

00:48:27.420 And I ponder that a lot.

00:48:30.340 I'm not saying that I adhere all the time.

00:48:33.080 I just ponder that a lot.

00:48:36.400 That's, you know, that's something else

00:48:40.620 that I want everyone on here to realize.

00:48:42.840 And again, a lot of these things should be common sense

00:48:47.820 and go without saying,

00:48:48.960 But a lot of the things that are common sense and ought to go without saying slip under the radar because nobody stops to ponder them or stops to realize there's success in life and doing the right thing.

00:49:15.600 living ausitru it's part of there's a there's a lot of meta in the title of this show one of the

00:49:23.940 ideas of victory never sleeps is that there is a daily work to be done to achieve to accomplish

00:49:34.420 to earn worth through doing these things working at being more courageous or continuing to be

00:49:45.160 courageous working at finding gladness even when you don't feel inclined to do so even when you

00:49:54.540 want to be grumpy or you want to be down in the mouth or when you find yourself slipping it's a

00:49:58.820 constant effort to stay you know just out of the jaws of the wolf uh like like uh soul and money

00:50:08.880 we need to always be moving forward you can't rest on your laurels you have to stay vigilant

00:50:15.720 to not let these things creep in and to check yourself to make sure you're the best you can be

00:50:22.180 and when I say that you know you need to do that I mean we all need to do that it's something that

00:50:27.400 I try to be very conscious of uh each day and you know sometimes I succeed sometimes I don't

00:50:34.640 Sometimes it's a mixture of the two. I like to think that I come out ahead more often than I don't. But that's certainly my intent every day. And I think that no matter where we are on the scale of victory or defeat, we could all be better.

00:50:55.280 we can all do more and be more, and we owe it to ourselves and to those around us to strive for

00:51:03.920 those things. So checking in on these things time and time again is a never-ending cycle that

00:51:09.700 should strengthen us and help move us forward.

00:51:12.360 let's see here so

00:51:23.920 they um fly their falcons of course the translation is hawkham or hawks um so

00:51:34.780 interesting there too they i assume the falcon word is perhaps maybe latin derived but

00:51:42.360 hawk was kind of probably utilized for all manner of birds um and there there again is a reference

00:51:50.480 to falconry which i kind of like that stuff again and two it's not really talked about so much in

00:51:58.360 um uh our ancestors day and age of the the viking age and you know generally seen as something

00:52:09.160 done more in the medieval times, but no, they had hawks and really cool weapons and were

00:52:20.180 all about that stuff. Let's see, chapter 24. Sigurd sees Brynhild at Klimdel. In those

00:52:34.140 days came home to hamer brinhild his foster daughter and she set in her bower with her maidens

00:52:45.420 and could do more skill in handicraft than other women so now you know she's good at battlecraft 0.95

00:52:53.580 but she doesn't she's not she's not uh slacking in the the duties that you know make a household 0.97

00:53:01.420 good it's just that her sister's better at it um but then it goes again into almost

00:53:10.120 unbelievable levels it's it's it's uh the met the uh extraordinary for sure um she sat she

00:53:20.820 overlaid cloth with gold and sewing therein the great deeds which sigurd wrought the slaying of

00:53:27.880 the worm and the taking of the wealth of him and the death of ray rayin with all so she's making

00:53:35.560 a tapestry and she's telling that story now tells the tale that on a day sigurd rode into the wood

00:53:47.180 with his hawk and hound and men thronging so he had a good hunting party and when as he came home

00:53:57.020 his hawk flew up to a high tower and sat him down on a certain window then fared sigurd after his

00:54:06.140 hawk and he saw whereas sat a fair woman and knew that it was brinhild and he deems all things he

00:54:16.040 sees there to be worthy together so he he sees the synchronicity he sees the beauty of the hawk

00:54:25.040 and bring hills and it strikes him um both her fairness and the fair things that she wrought

00:54:36.160 and therewith he goes into the hall but has no more joyous in the games of men and folk

00:54:42.960 Then spoke Alsvid. Now, Alsvid is the prince of this land, Heimir's son.

00:54:56.420 Actually, in essence, he would also be Brynhild's nephew.

00:55:01.880 Then spoke Alsvid, why art thou so bare of bliss? This manner of thine grieveth us, thy friends.

00:55:10.920 why when wilt thou not hold to the glee some ways lo thy hawk's pine now and thy horse

00:55:19.580 granny it droops and long will it be air we are booted thereof and sigurd answers in return

00:55:28.540 good friend hearken to that which lies on my mind for my heart flew up to a certain tower

00:55:35.160 And when I came thereto and took him, lo, there did I see a fair woman, and she sat by needlework of gold, and did thereon my deeds that are past and my deeds that are to come.

00:55:51.460 And then Alsvid said, thou hast seen Brynhild, Putley's daughter, the greatest of great women.

00:56:00.420 I, verily, said Sigurd, but how came she hither?

00:56:08.180 Auschwitz answered, short space there was betwixt the coming hither and the twain of you.

00:56:15.300 Sigurd says, I, but few days ago I knew her for the best of the world's women.

00:56:23.080 Auschwitz said, give not all thy heed to one woman.

00:56:28.380 Being such a man as thou art, ill life it is to sit lamenting for what we may not have.

00:56:37.880 I shall go and meet her, says Sigurd, and get from her her love like my love and give her a golden ring in token thereof.

00:56:47.880 So this is an interesting part.

00:56:50.000 He meets her on the mountain.

00:56:52.360 She bestows upon him this knowledge.

00:56:55.500 But there is a dichotomy that's different.

00:56:58.380 she is a teacher she is a valkyrie she is um a dictate of heaven and he takes these things and

00:57:08.540 he is elevated and then he leaves he he doesn't kiss her or uh try to betroth her you know he

00:57:16.460 releases her from the barony that keeps her asleep that holds the thorn but he leaves now

00:57:24.380 she is out of the mountain and she's no longer in that position as being the teacher and the

00:57:29.660 in the instigator of knowledge now he sees her as a woman and suddenly he goes from being happy and

00:57:38.620 you know being out with the boys and doing all these things and hunting so much and then he sees

00:57:43.180 her and something strikes in him and now he's pensive and thinking and he decides that he will

00:57:51.900 attempt to give her a ring uh for her betrothal and alicef of course does say like you know don't

00:58:01.100 pine over one woman it's like it's bad for you to to uh long for the things you can't have

00:58:10.220 and i think truly what he's saying is is not so much it's it's that there's many fish in the sea

00:58:15.660 And, you know, seeing one woman and not knowing her doesn't mean you should just, you know, dive into the darkness until you have her.

00:58:26.460 And we see this again, too, in the story with the Holy Frey when he sees Gerder and he immediately falls into darkness.

00:58:38.100 And so we could surmise that this is clearly something that's been witnessed.

00:58:42.680 I think any parent who has a young teenager that's pining or falling in love or what have you.

00:58:52.040 But I think this was also, again, it was about not relaying the entirety of your being over to your emotions.

00:59:01.400 and um so he he um he says alsvid says to sigurd he says none has ever yet been known whom she

00:59:16.760 would let sit beside her so she is not one to take the company of just any man that tried to

00:59:26.280 court her or to whom she would give drink forever will she hold to warfare and to the winning of

00:59:34.900 all kinds of fame so she is a valkyrie she is an instrument of war by lord ovin and that is what

00:59:43.520 she thinks of and she thinks of solely and the other thing too um that i think is worth to note

00:59:52.300 is the story would be spoken out and everyone in the crowd would get the idea that it is the

01:00:03.260 it's the woman who is not so available all the time the one who has boundaries the one who has

01:00:13.900 um standards this is again just be is is being reiterated culturally um

01:00:23.260 but he says warfare and winning so hmm so sigurd says we know not for sure whether she will give

01:00:31.900 us an answer or not or grant us a seat beside her so i think too another interesting concept

01:00:38.620 that people might not understand when he says us um is that there was a grouping or pairing sometimes

01:00:47.580 it was very much like hey my friend over there really likes you except you would be right with

01:00:53.820 your friend um but there was a sense of moving socially especially when it came to trying to

01:01:00.460 build relationships and courting in which there were multiple multiple people involved because

01:01:06.540 if you tried to court someone and say her father or her brother took great offense

01:01:13.580 he may try to slay you so having multiple people there to kind of witness

01:01:19.740 and go through was more common to practice than i think a lot of people think

01:01:26.300 um so the next day after sigurd went to the bower but alsvid stood outside the bower door fitting

01:01:34.460 shafts uh to his arrowheads again he most arrowheads were not attached to the uh

01:01:42.620 to the shaft of the arrow so he's doing kind of more or less like maintenance work he's figuring

01:01:49.960 out which head he wants to put on the shaft for each different you know usage of the arrow um

01:01:56.620 while he's waiting for sigurd to uh you know attempt to uh move forward with brainhild

01:02:06.640 um and sigurd speaks he says abide fair and hail lady how fairest thou

01:02:15.940 and she answers well it fares my kin and my friends live yet

01:02:23.340 but who shall say that good hap folk may bear to their life's end

01:02:29.900 so she kind of puts up the wall it's a little cold um she's saying you know her friends and

01:02:37.740 her family are doing well but life is up and down and you can't say that they're going to be happy

01:02:45.260 for forever and this courting it's it just states that you can see the the game is on if you will um

01:03:01.340 and uh he sits down by her and there came in four damsels with great golden beakers

01:03:11.580 and the best of wine therein and there uh and these stood before the twain so the four uh

01:03:19.580 handmaidens come in bearing wine and uh cups um and then brynhild said this seat is for few

01:03:32.060 but and if my father come and he answered uh yet it is granted to the one that likes me well so

01:03:46.940 she says that no one sits in that chair or that bench except for my father

01:03:53.900 and then he says in return though but it is granted the ones you like right

01:03:59.420 Now that that chamber was hung with the best and the fairest of hangings, or tapestries, and the floor thereof was covered with cloth.

01:04:10.340 Again, another interesting thing, the floor of the stone floor is covered with a carpet.

01:04:17.020 Sigurd spoke.

01:04:19.620 Now has it come to pass, even as thou didst promise?

01:04:22.940 oh be thy welcome here she said and arose therewith and the four damsels with her and bore

01:04:34.720 the golden beaker to him and bade him to drink he stretched out his hand to the beaker and took it

01:04:40.960 and her hand with all and drew her down beside him and cast his arms around her about her neck

01:04:47.940 and kissed her and said thou art the fairest that has ever been born but brinhild said ah wiser it

01:04:56.740 is not to cast faith and troth into a woman's power forever shall they break that that they

01:05:04.260 have promised so kind of the exchange here is he references to the mountain and he references to

01:05:13.380 like even then did you have no feelings for me and she indicates that she did have feelings for him

01:05:21.060 but the purpose was different and then he utilizes that to take action immediately and and grabs her

01:05:27.700 hand with the cup and brings her down to the bench to talk to her eye to eye and she says

01:05:34.580 don't cast your faith into a woman because you give a woman that much power over your heart and 0.90

01:05:40.660 And she might just break it because she wants to.

01:05:48.440 And he says, that day would dawn the best of days over our heads, whereon each of each should be made happy.

01:06:01.780 So he says, no, the point of this is that I make you happy and you make me happy.

01:06:08.460 This is an exchange.

01:06:10.660 And Brynhild answers back, it is not fated that we should abide together.

01:06:16.040 I am a shield may and wear a helm on my head, even as the kings of war and them full oft I help.

01:06:25.780 Neither is the battle become loathsome to me.

01:06:29.480 So she says, I can't settle down.

01:06:33.080 It's not fated.

01:06:34.180 I work for Lord Odin.

01:06:36.460 I decree the fates of men and battle has not.

01:06:39.760 I don't turn away from it. I'm drawn to it. And Sigurd answers, what fruit shall be of our life?

01:06:48.180 If we live not together, harder to bear this pain that lies here under than the stroke of a sharp

01:06:56.460 sword. So he says to her, you know, if we can't be together, the stabbing of my heart would be

01:07:02.500 worse than any sword stroke. Brynhild answers, I shall gaze on the hosts of the war of the war

01:07:12.060 kings, but thou shalt wed Gudrun, the daughter of Gyuki. Sigurd answered, what king's daughter

01:07:21.940 lives to beguile me? Neither am I double-hearted herein, and now I swear by the gods that these

01:07:29.200 shall i have for my own and no woman else so this is interesting because again brainhilde is in the

01:07:37.280 physical but she is clearly an extraordinary spirit and she is speaking about his faith

01:07:44.720 she's foreshadowing his life even before he even knows it and he's like who is this person i i

01:07:53.120 don't know her there's no way i'm here i'm here now and you are the one who has again uh

01:08:03.040 i slayed the dragon and you you took this raw power and formulated it forward you're the one

01:08:13.120 and uh he swears to the gods you will be you'll be the one for me no one else and even such like

01:08:22.480 wise spake she sigurd thanked her for her speech and gave her a gold ring and now they swore an

01:08:31.200 oath anew so he went his ways to his men and is with them a while in great bliss so in essence

01:08:42.640 he convinces her or at least he feels he convinces her um and he gives her a ring and then he goes

01:08:52.000 back and he's just floating when he gets back to his men and um at at the possibility that they

01:09:02.160 could they could be together um in chapter 25 of the dream of gudrun and gyuki's uh gyuki's

01:09:17.120 daughter sorry not and it yuki is the father of gudrun so there was a king height or titled

01:09:26.480 Gyuki, who ruled the realm south of the Rhine River.

01:09:33.300 Three sons he had.

01:09:35.740 There was Gunnir, Hogni, and Guttorn.

01:09:41.300 And Gudrun was the name of his daughter.

01:09:44.740 The fairest of maidens in their land and all these children were far above all other king's children

01:09:53.660 in prowess and in goodliness and in growth withal, ever were his sons at wars and wrought many a deed

01:10:02.960 of fame. But Yuki had wedded Grimhild, the wise wife. So his wife or the queen is Grimhild, which

01:10:14.840 is a really cool name grim being a dark or stern countenance and she's so she is the the countenance

01:10:23.880 of battle and she also has a haiti attached her name as the wise wife um so we don't necessarily

01:10:32.600 see it so much in the icelandic sagas um occasionally like with uh there's un the the

01:10:41.320 deep-minded um but we see it again here uh so his sons are conquesting they're out to war

01:10:51.720 and he wants to wed his daughter off um to someone now butli was the name of a king mightier than

01:11:01.400 guki mightier though they both were and atli was the brother of brynhild again we're mentioning

01:11:11.960 atli same as in uh helgi hundingsbana the the name does not necessarily indicate that it is

01:11:22.440 attila but most certainly the name was introduced into germanic language as a name and survived all

01:11:29.480 the way into the nordic viking period um but some people do speculate this is all the going-ons of

01:11:39.560 migration era um tribes and again obviously this is in the rhine and near the rhine um

01:11:49.720 um but her brother is uh atli um he was a fierce man and grim great and black to look upon yet

01:12:03.400 noble of mean with all and the greatest of warriors grimhild was a fierce-hearted woman so

01:12:12.600 whenever they list um uh black any type of of reference to blackness or to swarthiness

01:12:22.440 is always what's that i said chocolatey pete

01:12:29.880 you got an elf in the coal bin no um it always meant the general countenance of the person and

01:12:38.360 this is mentioned with the black irish um and you know throughout most of europe is the strand

01:12:46.360 of folk they are folk but they have um perhaps golden skin they have you know darker hair darker

01:12:57.000 eyes um and they they they care these traits just as much as the traits of like uh when they mention

01:13:04.920 the red gold hair and so on and so forth so they're they're painting this and we can see this

01:13:10.360 is mentioned throughout our history uh quite often you know this person was um or they would

01:13:18.200 have the name like einar the black and most likely it was because they just had dark features um

01:13:27.800 like cheddar man

01:13:28.680 no i think that's a little too dark in the skin on that

01:13:37.480 hmm uh it's funny i went to uh when i was in sweden visiting our members there

01:13:46.920 i could just pick that you know we were with a group of people and there was one

01:13:51.000 guy that had black hair and dark eyes and he'd be the guy in the group that's like you know

01:13:58.680 whatever his name might be like you know johan the black because he's the dude with the dark

01:14:06.980 hair and the dark eyes not because he is um of increased melanin yeah in actuality too because

01:14:15.000 the word translates from from uh svarter which means uh sooty or it's it which survives in

01:14:23.460 english as swarthy but the word sooty means to be blackened by like smoke and carbon the the word

01:14:30.660 that they actually used at least in the late nordic period when they had contact with people

01:14:37.220 from um the continent of africa they used the word blue because yeah blue had a big meaning it

01:14:47.460 could be light blue or it could be navy blue and um so they are the blue black yeah the the blau

01:14:55.460 mother the blue black men um so swarthy even though it gets translated to black

01:15:05.860 really just means more of yes like a countenance of of darkness in certain areas like the hair

01:15:13.860 um we see it to survive with like even up into um like the age of the pirates and and things

01:15:20.500 like black tom um and again it's just referring to uh the the dark actually that just made me

01:15:30.340 realize something there was a scene i believe in in a movie um

01:15:35.940 um Deadpool uh where he was making a joke of that there is a guy named Black Tom and he's

01:15:46.680 constantly referring to him as being black even though he's clearly not and he's trying to call

01:15:52.500 the other guy in the movie racist for um I guess killing him or hating on him or something um

01:16:00.000 It's silly that we have to say this, but in this day and age when, I don't know, the forces of degeneracy want to destroy cultural distinction, they seize upon any reference like that to, I don't know, try to rob us of our heritage in a really despicable way.

01:16:22.880 it's just dishonest um so it's important to kind of kind of keep that in mind right yeah again i

01:16:32.320 think the narrative that uh race or racial nomenclatures didn't exist until uh you know

01:16:39.920 folk people started using it which is not true actually i believe the native americans were the

01:16:45.280 first ones to use the basic colors you know there is the red man and the white man and the black man

01:16:51.120 and the yellow man and the brown man that's the first referencing i ever remember but instead you

01:16:58.480 know with our ancestors who really didn't have other uh people to compare to black or swarthy

01:17:07.280 meant again their countenance their hair color um or what have you and sometimes it didn't even mean

01:17:14.560 that it just meant their i guess their countenance alone they were just very dark and brooding

01:17:21.120 And, again, that's another reason why we use the word dark for that mental state.

01:17:28.000 And nobody bats an eye. 0.95

01:17:30.300 So, I mean, it is mentioned, too, that Grimhild is a fierce-hearted woman. 0.89

01:17:36.840 Not only is she wise, but very strong-willed.

01:17:43.360 Now the days of the Gjukings bloomed fair, and chiefly because of those children.

01:17:50.080 So they're bringing in much bounty to their family by conquest and by notoriety.

01:17:58.480 And on a day, Gudrun says to her maids, to her servants or handmaidens, that she may have no joy of the heart.

01:18:14.360 Then a certain woman asked her wherefore her joy was departed, and she answered, Grief came to me in my dreams. Therefore is there the sorrow in my heart, since thou must need asked thereof.

01:18:30.620 tell me then thy dream said the woman for dreams often forecast

01:18:39.560 but the weather so in essence she's saying dreams often forecast your future just as much as one

01:18:49.380 could look upon clouds gathering on the horizon and Gudrun answers nay nay no weather is this

01:18:57.520 i dreamed that i had a fair hawk on my wrist feathered with feathers of gold the woman says

01:19:08.880 many have heard tell of thy beauty thy wisdom thy courtesy some king's son abides thee then

01:19:18.560 guther and answered i dreamed that not was so dear to me as this hawk and all my wealth

01:19:25.760 that i cast aside rather than him the good woman said well then the man thou shall have will be of

01:19:35.600 of the goodliest and will shout and well shalt thou love him

01:19:43.280 gudrun answered it grieves me that i know not of who let me see uh no not

01:19:50.560 I lost my spot because I'm trying to move past the camera.

01:20:04.020 Oh, wow. It's shifted completely.

01:20:12.000 Let me see.

01:20:12.820 Well, the man that she was of the goodliest shall be.

01:20:15.440 It grieves me that I know not who he shall be.

01:20:19.800 Let us go seek Brynhild, for she belike will walk thereof.

01:20:26.980 So she would perhaps have the ability to glean who this person is.

01:20:35.340 So they traveled to Brynhild.

01:20:40.740 So they arrayed them in gold and many a fair thing,

01:20:44.920 and she went with her damsels till they came to the hall of Brynhild.

01:20:49.800 And that hall was was dite with gold and stood on a high hill.

01:20:55.220 And when as their goings were seen, it was told to Brynhild that a company of women drove towards the berg in gilded wagons.

01:21:05.040 The berg is a keep or a castle.

01:21:08.720 It could also mean a mountain, but in this case, it's pretty clear. 1.00

01:21:15.340 And so she's told, hey, there's a there's a great retinue of women. 1.00

01:21:19.800 coming here, and they are in wagons of gold, or fine wagons. And she says, that shall be 0.95

01:21:27.700 Gudrun, Gyuki's daughter. Says she, I dreamed of her last night. Let us go and meet her.

01:21:37.420 No fairer woman may come to our house. So she says that she had a dream, and we should go out

01:21:44.240 meet her so they went abroad to meet her and gave them a greeting and they went into the goodly hall

01:21:50.960 together fairly painted it was within so not only do they wait for her to come to the door they go

01:21:58.480 out and they they have exchanged the greetings they bring everyone they go together and they

01:22:04.080 walk into the keep and the keep is painted with pictures on the walls um and this again most

01:22:12.080 people think of this only being done in more medieval times or perhaps this is being laid upon

01:22:20.400 and coloring uh because sometimes that was done where things of of this time pictures of the gods

01:22:27.840 being drawn in medieval armor and in medieval weaponry even though they probably had older

01:22:34.800 styles but it's again still very interesting they they painted the walls um and it was beautiful in

01:22:42.000 there and um they it was well adorned uh sorry and a well adorned silver vessel clothes were spread

01:22:56.720 under the feet of them so they had carpets or rugs uh for their feet and all the folks served them

01:23:04.160 And in many wise, they sported. So they started to speak words of wisdom and what was going on in the world.

01:23:12.160 And so it like small talk, if you will. But Gudrun was somewhat silent.

01:23:17.660 Then said Brynhild, ill to abash folk of their mirth. Prithi, do not so.

01:23:26.960 Let us talk together for our disport of mighty kings and of their great deeds.

01:23:32.340 good talk says Gudrun let us do even so what kings deemest thou to have been the first of all men

01:23:41.840 so she says let's speak about the kings and the warings of the land and Gudrun specifically

01:23:52.060 focuses in on who are the heroes who are the great men here and this is clearly she is

01:24:00.520 looking into possibilities with with these men um based on their deeds based on their fame

01:24:11.620 uh and it's no different here so in essence it's like sometimes we talk about how

01:24:18.300 uh women will set a board or a mark for a man to achieve but then in the even not knowing him

01:24:26.780 And she's looking for how he's carved himself in the world.

01:24:35.180 Gudrun answers, great men, Sertes, and of noble fame.

01:24:43.260 Yet Sigur took their one sister.

01:24:48.340 So now not Sigurd, but Sigur, Sigur, took their one sister

01:24:54.960 and burned the other house and all they may be called slow to revenge the deed why didst thou

01:25:01.840 not name my brethren who were held to be the first of men at this time

01:25:09.200 brinhild answers back men of good hope are they surely though little proven beyond their

01:25:17.360 their kingdoms but one I know far before them and his name is Sigurd the son of Sigmund the king

01:25:28.540 a youngling was he in the days when he slew the sons of Hunding and revenged his father's death

01:25:36.800 and Eilin his mother's father and then said Gudrun by what token tell us thou that and

01:25:46.620 Brynhild answers back, his mother went amid the dead and found Sigmund, the king.

01:25:51.940 He was grievously wounded and would bind up his wounds, but he said he grew over old for war and bade her lay this comfort to her heart and that she would bear the most famed of sons.

01:26:08.720 And wise was the wise man's words therein. For after the death of King Sigmund, she went to King Alf, and there was Sigurd nourished in great honor. And day by day, he wrought some deed of fame and is the man most renowned of all the wide world.

01:26:28.960 So we're kind of, again, giving a recap of things, you know, especially if this was spoken in sections, this would make perfect sense to kind of reiterate and recap the hero.

01:26:42.400 so Gudrun says

01:26:49.060 from love hast thou gained

01:26:51.000 these tidings of him

01:26:52.100 but for his cause came I

01:26:55.180 here to tell thee

01:26:56.880 dreams of mine

01:26:57.960 which have brought me great grief

01:27:00.500 Brynhild says

01:27:02.660 let not set such

01:27:04.960 matter sadden thee

01:27:06.180 abide with thy friends

01:27:08.000 who wish thee blithesome

01:27:10.460 all of them

01:27:11.320 gudrin says i dreamed this that we went a many of us in company from the bower and we saw an

01:27:23.080 exceedingly great heart a deer um that far excelled over other deer ever seen

01:27:33.100 and the hair of him was golden so a golden deer and his and this deer we all feigned to take

01:27:42.560 but alone but I alone got him and he seemed to me better than all things else but silence thou

01:27:51.700 Brynhild didst shoot and slay my deer even at my very knees and such grief was that to me

01:28:00.940 That scarce might I bear it, and then afterwards thou gavest me a wolf cub, which besprinkled me with the blood of my brothers.

01:28:14.040 So she dreams of having, there is a deer that they all witness, and they all attempt to go towards the deer and calm it, soothe it, touch it, or be about it.

01:28:28.040 but uh she alone is the only one that's able to get close and when she does it's then Brynhild

01:28:34.820 that slays the deer up and kills it and then gives her a wolf um and then she knows that the

01:28:46.440 blood that she's sprinkled with is from her brothers this is clearly allegoric for what's

01:28:51.860 happening are about to happen it's the prophetic sense um and you know most likely the deer is

01:29:00.420 sigurd and a great woe is about to befall her family in relation to him and brynhild and

01:29:11.140 their uh relationship that's not being uh brought about fully it's it's uh again it's that that

01:29:20.020 resistance um so brinhild answers back i will a read thy dream so she she's going to counsel her

01:29:35.140 on this dream even as things shall come to pass hereafter for sigurd shall come to thee even whom

01:29:43.380 i have chosen for my well beloved and grimhild shall give him mead mingled with hurtful things

01:29:52.100 which shall cast us all into mighty strife him shalt thou have and him shalt thou quickly amiss

01:30:00.020 and atli the king shalt thou wed and thy brother and shout you lose and slay atli with all in the end

01:30:08.420 gudrun answers grief and woe to know such things that shall be and therewith she and hers get them

01:30:19.740 gone home to king gyuki so this is just absolutely the the foreshadowing it's very similar

01:30:28.340 to the characters in shakespearean plays in which you you'll see the beggar or or the

01:30:36.700 the the lonely soldier and he comes out on stage and he foreshadows everything

01:30:45.660 and so now it's not about what's going to happen it's about how it's going to happen

01:30:51.900 uh chapter 26 secret one sec one sec okay i just want to acknowledge that since we've been doing

01:31:07.100 this uh austin donated 30 or uh i'm sorry 50 towards paying off new york's off thank you

01:31:14.940 austin we appreciate it i meant to do it last chapter but i didn't get to it in time

01:31:19.180 yeah i think a lot of folks uh when we're covering these things we try to do stuff in

01:31:24.900 between the chapters and then of course at the end of all the questions and such because we're

01:31:29.680 trying to get through such a big corpus of lore um so i hope they bear with us and and or catch

01:31:37.220 us on the um on the replay but um chapter 26 sigurd now comes to the gukings and is wedded

01:31:47.400 to Gudrun so everything comes to pass so before we do that this isn't really a question as of yet

01:31:56.320 but it sort of is and it's a comment that I think we should address um over in the comment section

01:32:04.200 it says the the book uh translation that I read had said that Attlee was Attila and it always

01:32:13.000 through me for a loop since it shows our folk marrying him and i think it's worth talking a

01:32:20.340 little bit about that and perhaps what the ethnicity of uh attila well so that's why i

01:32:33.060 brought up the point that the name atli it's very similar to like in iceland there is a name

01:32:38.780 Finn, and it's clearly Gaulish in origin. So the name itself could be, I think by the time

01:32:52.020 that all of this was composed, Attlee was, I mean, this is far after all of that. And

01:33:00.820 And Attila and his conquering of the Eastern Germanic people greatly influenced the way that they lived.

01:33:16.140 And eventually they managed to break free from the power of his kingdom because he passes away and his sons can't keep it all together.

01:33:27.840 So you have this happening.

01:33:29.940 And then the character and idea of Attlee carries on into central Germany and becomes a poignant figure and a strong, really, this is the key part, a strong name, a strong association with someone who conquers.

01:33:56.600 So the problem with him being literally Attlee is that the other members of the story don't quite fit into these timelines.

01:34:12.400 And especially, we haven't run into him yet, but one is a gothic king who lived after the invasion of Attila.

01:34:23.860 So all of these names and these folk that are being spoken of, some of them do have historical referencing, but from different times.

01:34:34.440 So the name and also the kind of the overarching sense of who Attila is, is left.

01:34:47.660 by this time no he's not a complete foreigner he's just dark like just like grimhild and so

01:34:59.020 they it kind of alleviates a lot of that invasion from the foreign land over generations you know

01:35:06.940 there's there's quite a long time between the composition of the story but still the name

01:35:14.860 lives on the the the overarching purpose of what he was doing the conquering the great great war

01:35:23.600 master if you will so i don't think oh i was just gonna say i don't think they equate evenly

01:35:31.180 so they don't and here's the thing this isn't a work of history

01:35:38.980 This is a supernatural tale that is loosely set in a historical time period.

01:35:48.340 And you pick famous people from history, and he is probably one of the only non-white people that would be famous enough in the day and age of this story being composed to put in there.

01:36:12.080 And he's not displayed in that context.

01:36:14.640 One of the things about the Hunnic invasion that's really interesting is they're a strange mixture of people that are like roughly Mongolian steppe people, but also lots of different.

01:36:37.200 because this was at that time most groupings of people were not metropolitan they were a

01:36:46.880 a race of people they were tribes that were ethnic nations whereas the huns were a

01:36:54.240 mob of amalgamated and absorbed peoples that swept across the step and into central europe so

01:37:03.280 there was a wide range of hunnic appearance from like mongols to polish people and everywhere in

01:37:14.720 between depending upon you know who was where and what kind of hierarchy um yeah there's accounts

01:37:24.240 that paint attila as looking you know very much caucasian there's accounts that make him you know

01:37:32.560 look chinese look northern chinese or mongolian there's any version of that in between

01:37:42.320 but by the time scandinavians were writing this story

01:37:48.480 i don't think they have the perspective to conceive of him as being racially diverse because

01:37:54.800 they've never seen an oriental person they have no idea what that looks like

01:38:00.880 It's interesting when you read medieval manuscripts, these people in Europe don't have a diverse existence with other races of people.

01:38:10.920 When they paint pictures of black people, the people are white people painted black, like literally painted black because they don't know what that is.

01:38:24.260 like there's um an account of a of a woman and I think it was uh um Parsifal by uh Eschenbach

01:38:35.760 where you know one of the illustrations for uh one of the characters in it was uh half Moorish

01:38:43.180 and and half not so the person is literally like one of those aliens in the

01:38:47.780 the old series of Star Trek where half of them is black and half of them is white

01:38:52.300 um people's understanding of what that would have looked like back then doesn't

01:38:59.180 doesn't conform to logic or make sense because we're looking at it we understand these historical

01:39:07.480 concepts at the time they didn't they understood that yeah in the distant racial memory of our folk

01:39:14.040 there was a conqueror that came out of the east named attila that pushed you know all the tribes

01:39:20.460 in front of him and you know existed in roughly the east and i think that's kind of where some

01:39:30.700 of this is so i wouldn't get overly caught up in that these people are not writing it from a day

01:39:35.900 where they have wikipedia and they're trying to make sense i think from where they're sitting

01:39:42.140 most historical personages look like them because that's how they imagine their past

01:39:47.980 so i don't think this is a you know meant to be an accurate ethnology of these people i think it's

01:39:56.380 more to add historical elements to embellish their the level of this story because as you

01:40:04.460 watch the story continues to develop as you end up reading it uh as the nibblingen league the

01:40:11.980 the scale and the time period and the setting all continues to evolve and and grow so don't

01:40:22.860 look at this as a work of history because that's not that was never the intention and never what

01:40:27.740 it was well and there's a couple of things for folks that are interested in migration era history

01:40:36.460 um two historians jordanes and procopius now bear in mind i'm not a huge fan procopius

01:40:45.820 um did not like the heralds he wrote bad things about them um and uh

01:40:54.060 but he did he does describe him as you know um having a flat nose swarthy skin

01:41:02.540 um that showed evidence of his origin but bear in mind too they spoke very ill about

01:41:11.740 um other peoples that they didn't like that were outside of the empire um

01:41:19.180 so you get these kind of mixes i think it's wrong for them to immediately assume that

01:41:25.980 that Attila is like Genghis Khan. And, you know, there's probably more reference to the idea that

01:41:34.040 he might have been more like a Scythian than a Mongolian. An interesting point of fact, and

01:41:40.760 again, I don't know if the story says that so-and-so, you know, as one person way back in

01:41:46.700 ancient times involved themselves in some kind of miscegenation with, you know, this Chinaman

01:41:54.420 that was conquering europe i mean is what it is that stuff happens all too often and there's

01:41:59.700 nothing talked about that being good or you know the preferred way of doing things but it's also

01:42:05.780 worth noting you know there's a reason that hungary is named hungary and if you look at

01:42:12.340 hungarian peoples even today you have a predominantly caucasian populace but you do have asian elements

01:42:22.420 in there depending on who you're looking at um and it's just worth saying i mean if you look at

01:42:30.820 charles bronson something's a little bit off and i think you can kind of detect maybe that kind of

01:42:36.580 influence but again these were a migratory group of people so they end up having a lot of the time

01:42:46.340 where you see that if you draw a line kind of south you see things in

01:42:54.020 roughly in modern turkey where you have different racial convergences of migratory peoples you have

01:43:00.340 all the different semitic peoples there you have turkic asian peoples there you have caucasian

01:43:06.980 people and greek people there you have a very motley mixture of humanity that ends up mixing

01:43:17.460 in those kind of border areas and the migratory patterns of the huns in eastern europe at that

01:43:23.860 time were were a part of that and i i do know i find it really interesting too that the name

01:43:32.260 Attila or Atli has references to the Gothic language or the Gutanish language.

01:43:42.900 In the Gutanish language, the word for father is Atta.

01:43:48.780 And so there's even theories that, you know, he was unnamed.

01:43:54.520 um and but that the the because again they they spoke um all of their traditions were passed

01:44:03.320 around orally and most of the knowledge we have of of Attila is from written sources uh secondary

01:44:12.980 sources and then by extension the usage of his character in um the Volsunga saga and in um other

01:44:23.780 the other kind of more mystical things so yeah I don't think it's easy for us to pin him I know

01:44:32.480 that a lot of folks are perhaps fascinated with the Scythians and don't look at the Scythians as

01:44:39.360 necessarily being like the Mongolians but a lot of people immediately turn Attila into

01:44:47.820 Genghis Khan and i i there's a there's a tendency to do both things and i want us to guard against

01:44:54.060 that i want us to remember the truth is one of our virtues and you know like it's very easy to pick

01:45:03.580 some of these standout peoples from different parts of the world and speculate that maybe

01:45:09.420 there's some kind of you know crypto white guy there and i i can't say i can't say that he wasn't

01:45:19.740 but i think it's a far leap to suggest that he is i think there's probably a mixture and a spectrum

01:45:26.940 there as far as nomadic step people go i think he probably doesn't look like a chinaman but i think

01:45:34.140 he probably also doesn't look like he's scandinavian either and i think there's probably some mixture

01:45:40.300 going on somebody in the chat points that points out that you know medieval literature portrays

01:45:47.420 him as a white man and they do because that's very much the context that he has he is a leader

01:45:54.140 of largely his band of people by the time it's interacting with the roman empire and the people

01:46:00.380 who are writing it's largely germanic tribes that are fighting for him at that point the original

01:46:06.060 you know mongolian step horse warriors coming across have become an increasingly small minority

01:46:14.700 and the amalgamation of tribes that he subjugated in eastern europe became more and more of a

01:46:21.340 significant portion of his fighting force so i can't i i don't think that whatever anybody says

01:46:29.180 in the chat room and whatever we say here i don't think that any of us has you know any definitive

01:46:37.340 reason to say he's one or the other or exactly where in between he falls other than there have

01:46:42.620 been lots of different depictions of him in literature and in i don't know depictions in

01:46:53.980 in medieval europe they do tend it depends when you have you know roman authors tend to make him

01:47:03.180 look more barbarous and other um medieval writers tend to make him look more and more like a european

01:47:11.660 you know a barbarian but a european monarch so it's it's kind of a question you know it's one

01:47:19.020 of those things that's up in the air that i don't think we're gonna have a definitive answer to

01:47:23.980 Yeah, again, to his army, which was also consisting of Eastern Germanic people, they went all the way to the West, all the way into France and fought other Germanic tribes and then even went into attacking Italy.

01:47:45.660 So, and the, the, the enthusiastic chat room tonight, I'm not saying he wasn't, I'm just saying, I don't think we have really solid evidence that he was. And yes, Scythians are white people. Huns are not.

01:48:04.200 yeah and i thought you were leaning more towards like i was the one saying you know maybe he he

01:48:11.540 he wasn't and i i don't think he was genghis khan like no our chat room is is railing that he was

01:48:18.400 this like definitively white guy and again that would be cool i'm not saying that's not the case

01:48:27.180 i'm just saying we don't know that to be the case and i'm not going to be sure i'm not going to place

01:48:31.540 my bet on that but certainly by the time that the poems were composed he becomes a name and character

01:48:43.540 that doesn't necessarily fit with the historical attila and we see that in the day and age you come

01:48:51.300 up with a person out of history that becomes its own brand that's much more like a comic book

01:48:58.340 character and much less like the real guy because that's what you know that's what tends to happen

01:49:05.220 over time but i say that let's get back to chapter 26 i know people get hot yeah he's he was white

01:49:15.380 no um people are very invested that's awesome but again maybe worse i'm not saying he wasn't

01:49:23.140 but i'd have to i'd have to take a look myself yeah and i again the most important part of

01:49:29.380 understanding is by the time of this story um he is not necessarily the historical figure but

01:49:39.220 brought in and because now they're mentioning mother and father and marriages so clearly

01:49:49.060 i mean it could even be argued that aptly in the story just bears the name that was introduced to

01:49:57.300 the culture um so but it's not standalone it is worth saying no this

01:50:05.380 probably is definitely attila they talk about things going on in hun land and they move on

01:50:11.860 all along that theme so it's certainly in our folks memory at that point to make that reference

01:50:19.060 Right.

01:50:21.520 Okay, so in chapter 26, Sigurd comes to the Gyukings and is wedded to Gudrun.

01:50:33.260 Now, Sigurd goes his ways with all that great treasure, and in friendly wise, he departs from them.

01:50:42.660 And on Grani, his horse, he rides with all his war gear and the burden withal.

01:50:49.300 And thus he rides until he comes to the hall of King Gyuki.

01:50:55.020 There he rides into the berg or keep and sees one of the king's men and spake withal.

01:51:03.240 Sure, it may be deemed that here is come one of the gods, for his array is all done with gold.

01:51:10.400 and his horse it's fairer and far mightier than other horses and the manner of his weapons

01:51:17.660 most exceedingly goodly and the most of all the man himself far excels all other men I've ever

01:51:24.640 seen so the the messenger uh sees this and and then speaks to the king so the king goes out

01:51:35.360 with his court, and he greets this man and asks, Who art thou who thus ridest into my burg, as none

01:51:45.400 has thus hithro without the leave of my son? And he answers, I am Sigurd, son of King Sigmund.

01:51:55.280 Then King Yuki said

01:51:58.920 Be thou welcomed here then

01:52:03.280 And take at our hands what so thou willest

01:52:07.340 So he went into the king's hall

01:52:10.180 And all men seemed little beside him

01:52:12.720 And all men served him

01:52:14.860 And there he abode in great joyance

01:52:17.820 He was a champion amongst every kingdom he went into

01:52:24.760 And, you know, I'm sure people were asking him stories and wanting to know more.

01:52:33.640 Now, oft they all ride abroad together, Sigurd and Gunnur and Hogni.

01:52:41.560 And ever is Sigurd far the foremost of them, mighty men of their hands, though they were.

01:52:49.160 So these great warriors of King Guki who are building their empire on war and conquest are still not as prominent as Sigurd.

01:53:03.680 But he goes out with them.

01:53:06.060 They ride together and hunt and do all manner of things.

01:53:14.840 And they're all happy.

01:53:16.620 Now off they all ride, sorry, but then Grimhild finds how heartily Sigurd loves Brynhild, and how oft he talks of her, and she falls to thinking how well it would be if he were to abide there and wed their daughter, King Yuki.

01:53:38.620 For he saw that none might come anigh to his goodliness, and what faith and good help there was in him, and how that he had more wealth withal than folk might tell of any man.

01:53:54.440 And the king did to him even as unto his own sons, and they for their parts held him more worth than even themselves.

01:54:08.100 So these warrior sons, they love Sigurd. He's the dragon slayer. It's amazing. The king treats him well. And so Grimhild is like, I need to convince him to wed my daughter and not this Brimhild.

01:54:30.040 so on the night as they sat at the drink the queen arose and went and walked before sigurd and said

01:54:42.100 great joy we have in thine abiding here and all good things will be put before thee to take

01:54:49.460 of us lo now take this horn and drink thereof

01:54:54.360 so he took it and he drank and therewithal she said

01:55:00.280 thy father shall be yuki the king and i shall be thy mother and gunner hongi shall be thy brethren

01:55:10.840 and all this shall be sworn with oaths each to each and then surely shall the like of you

01:55:19.060 never be found elsewhere on the earth

01:55:21.720 Sigurd took her speech well, for with the drinking of that drink, all memory of Brynhild departed from him. So there he abode a while.

01:55:35.460 so here we see her basically saying you're practically family and um in the horn even

01:55:47.280 it's not stated here but it was stated earlier that there is magic in the horn that makes him

01:55:53.180 forget but in hills and on a day when grim hills to gyuki the king and cast her arms about his

01:56:04.360 neck, and she spoke to him. Behold, there has now come to us one of the greatest of great hearts

01:56:12.720 that the world ever holds, and needs must be trusty and of great avail. Give him thy daughter

01:56:21.180 then, with plenteous wealth and as much of rule as he will, perchance thereby he will be well

01:56:28.760 content to abide here ever so arrange the marriage get them to marry give him land he has all the

01:56:37.880 wealthy needs but whatever it takes we need to make him in our kingdom the king answered seldom

01:56:50.840 does it befall that kings offer their daughters to any yet in higher wise will it be done to offer

01:56:58.120 her to this man than to take lowly prayers to her from others on a night gudrun pours out the drink

01:57:08.360 and sigurd beholds her how fair she is how full of courtesy she is five seasons sigurd abode there

01:57:20.440 and never they passed their days together in good honor and friendship

01:57:25.560 oh and ever sorry not never ever um and it also is worth noting too five seasons um the four seasons

01:57:35.160 of the roman calendar are probably not being referenced here it is the probably the the

01:57:41.160 biphetic seasons so summer and winter having mid-summer in the middle of summer and yule

01:57:48.840 in the middle of winter um so two and a half years he's been um with her and they have good uh

01:58:02.040 rapport between each other and so it befell that the king held a talk together and yuki said

01:58:11.960 great good thou givest us sigurd and with exceeding strength thou strengthest our realm

01:58:19.660 then gunner the brother says all things that maybe will we do for thee so thou abidest here long

01:58:32.360 both dominion shall thou have

01:58:35.240 and our sister freely and unprayed for

01:58:39.280 whom another man would not get for all his prayers.

01:58:44.120 And this prayer word is what they're talking about

01:58:48.760 bidding for her place, bidding for her hand.

01:58:59.700 And they're basically saying, you know, it would take a lot for someone to gain that, and they would have to bid very heavy to the king, my father, for the hand of my sister.

01:59:14.060 But yet, we would give it to you, we would arrange this marriage freely and quickly.

01:59:21.180 and Sigurd says thanks have ye for this wherewith ye honor me and gladly would I take this

01:59:31.880 the same therewith they swore brotherhood together and to be even as if they were

01:59:39.920 children of one father and one mother so they become it's not that they are actually blood

01:59:47.840 family but that they are brought in so much and i think some people can relate to that where you

01:59:55.540 have a son-in-law or a daughter-in-law that you find so well that you would just bring them in

02:00:03.400 and treat them as you would treat your own children um and there a noble feast was holden

02:00:11.320 and endured for many days and Sigurd drank at the wedding of him and Gudru and there might

02:00:19.700 men behold all manner of gains and glee and each day the feast was better and better

02:00:26.740 and a lot of people don't realize too like these kind of feasts were generally night feasts with

02:00:34.440 games during the day so you know people would wake up after drinking from the you know the first

02:00:41.000 night and there's music playing you know in the hall that night and there's poems being spoken

02:00:46.600 and um all manners of things and then they go to bed they wake up and there's games festivities

02:00:54.520 being held and then they go in for the second night and eat and drink and listen to songs

02:01:03.160 his stories and they go to sleep and you know it keeps going as long as uh the hall can provide um

02:01:12.920 or and the people and you know it does drain from the resources but again if you have an overabundance

02:01:20.600 that's a sign it's a it's a um it's a showing of your of your power um

02:01:28.040 Um, so the, uh, now fare these folk wide over the world and do many a great deeds and slay

02:01:43.180 many a king's sons.

02:01:45.340 So they gather together now and Sigurd with them go and fight the armies of their enemies.

02:01:54.260 They go and challenge and traverse.

02:01:58.600 And we're looking, too, at this in a much, this is proto-nations.

02:02:04.800 These are tribal kings who have lands and they want to grow their lands.

02:02:12.560 And they do so, and they do so well.

02:02:15.280 so they slay many a king's son and no man has ever done such works of prowess as they did

02:02:26.040 then home they come again with much wealth won in war sigurd gave of the serpent's heart

02:02:35.020 and she ate thereof and became greater hearted hearted and wiser than air before and the son of

02:02:45.460 these two were called sigmund now i i uh i looked up the serpent's heart and i

02:02:56.620 couldn't find i was looking kind of in the area of um fruit or some sort of food um and i you know

02:03:10.760 didn't come up with anything so i wonder if the chat anybody that's really a person who likes to

02:03:18.880 dig through lore can find something and share that with us um maybe now you know there's

02:03:25.520 speculations that have been laid out but um why are we looking outside of it simply being

02:03:33.680 left over her heart uh that's what i just assumed that it was and why she got the powers just like

02:03:43.000 he got when he ate of the heart of baffner okay so yeah i didn't i for some reason i didn't take

02:03:50.320 that as something that he would relinquish or that he still had um i mean yeah he salted it

02:04:00.080 really good and dried it i don't know this is a little while after the fact now but i assumed

02:04:06.660 because it bestowed upon her, you know, it leveled her up

02:04:12.160 just like it did to him when he ate of the heart.

02:04:15.380 I would absolutely jump on the dragon heart jerky.

02:04:22.920 Just give me some of that.

02:04:24.960 Yeah, I would eat rotten dragon heart.

02:04:29.240 Unrelated but necessary aside,

02:04:31.660 my uncle at a some kind of a fundraiser dinner now he worked for fish and game and uh folks at

02:04:40.060 this banquet were eating pieces of permafrost frozen mammoth at some kind of a fundraising

02:04:47.980 dinner he was doing whoa i don't know that it was delicious but there's something to say like hey i

02:04:53.580 gnawed on an ancient

02:04:55.700 freezer-burned

02:04:59.660 chunk of

02:05:01.500 prehistoric mammoth.

02:05:05.880 That's wild.

02:05:09.180 I wouldn't be surprised if eventually

02:05:11.340 they would figure out some way to

02:05:13.080 clone that

02:05:15.480 or something.

02:05:18.020 They are together.

02:05:22.280 They are equally

02:05:23.280 wise, even though I would argue, too, that Gudrun doesn't utilize the wisdom well or the same way.

02:05:32.600 But they have a son, and he names his son after his father, Sigmund.

02:05:41.640 Now, on a time, went Grimhild and Gunnar, her son, and they spoke. So Grimhild is the queen,

02:05:49.960 and she speaks to her son and she says fair blooms the life and the fortune of thee

02:05:54.980 but for one thing only and namely whereas thou art unwedded go and woo Brunhild good read is this

02:06:04.420 and Sigurd will ride with thee now this is the part where everything goes bad she says go back

02:06:13.920 and you wed the one that Sigurd was in love with

02:06:19.200 before I made him forget.

02:06:22.720 And Gunnar answers, fair in her, Sertis,

02:06:26.300 and I am fain now to win her.

02:06:29.980 And therewith he tells his father and his brethren

02:06:32.800 and Sigurd, and they all prick him on that wooing.

02:06:39.540 I was confused about that part as well

02:06:46.060 the pricking him

02:06:47.400 you know again

02:06:50.000 they

02:06:51.860 they agree with him doing this

02:06:56.760 again Sigurd has forgotten

02:06:58.720 but the use of the word

02:07:01.500 to prick or to

02:07:03.100 I don't know pinch or poke

02:07:06.240 um maybe a reference to the idea of something culturally of you know like a physical sense

02:07:15.220 that this is good kind of like how we um uh slap hands in greeting but our ancestors used to slap

02:07:24.860 hands at the end of making a deal or a contract or or something of that nature i don't know i

02:07:31.700 thought it was was prodding him or or goading him into something okay yeah and see again sometimes

02:07:38.100 the usage that's used in this translation which i'm not familiar with at all is really

02:07:46.980 um odd and so like i was like are they do something physically um and i or guess yeah

02:07:59.940 that perhaps the usage of the word pricking is like encouraging i don't know i was uh earlier

02:08:08.260 before the call i was talking to uh sierra and we were going over something just a kind of a question

02:08:17.140 and uh just again the way things are sometimes written it can be very uh confusing for

02:08:24.900 people who are new to the faith and and also too to people who are who have been in the faith for

02:08:29.620 a long time and so that's why we try to understand that there's a separation between

02:08:35.860 the enacting of faith and keeping your faith um and believing in the in the holy gods and

02:08:41.780 giving gift to them and studying lore um those two don't always equate if you're an academic

02:08:50.900 nerd does not necessarily mean you're, you know, high standing indeed with the gods.

02:09:02.540 And again, too, translations throw things off, so on and so forth.

02:09:07.820 All right.

02:09:08.360 So chapter 27, the wooing of Brynhild.

02:09:13.160 Now they array them joyously for their journey and ride over hill and dale to the houses

02:09:20.300 of king butli and woo his daughter for him and in good wise he took their speech if so be that she

02:09:30.040 herself would not deny them but he said with all that so high-minded she was that the man

02:09:40.040 only of might

02:09:42.160 wed her whom she

02:09:44.400 would. So, again, he has

02:09:46.640 no

02:09:47.720 he has

02:09:50.360 no ability

02:09:51.760 to convince

02:09:54.420 her. She is

02:09:55.580 only going to wed 0.99

02:09:58.380 the one that she wants.

02:10:01.880 So, then they ride to

02:10:03.980 Hlimdal, and there

02:10:05.740 Heyamir gave them good

02:10:08.000 welcome so gunner tells of his errand heimer says that she must uh that she must needs wed

02:10:17.840 but him whom she herself chose freely and tells them how her abode was but a little way thence

02:10:26.160 and that he deemed that him only would have he have who should ride through the flaming fire

02:10:35.200 that was drawn around her hall so she goes back to her place where um she is free she she returns

02:10:46.000 there as as her home and it is still reefed in fire and her father says you have to go through

02:10:54.000 the fire in order to even get a chance um so they depart and come to that hall and the fire and see

02:11:05.200 They're a castle. It has a golden roof ridge, and all around is fire roaring up.

02:11:14.120 Now, again, this is a glaring reminder that this story is not historical.

02:11:18.980 It is filled with the meta and the extraordinary beyond reality.

02:11:28.280 And so this fire is the magical fire around clearly holds more of, I think, a symbolic point that we can relate to many different things.

02:11:44.780 the attainment of the soul and uh connecting to the the valkyrie of the soul um or just

02:11:55.340 in general the idea of the masculine attempting to gain has to go through great challenge

02:12:04.940 so swan a note i looked up the translation there's not a pricking isn't a thing it was

02:12:14.780 bellows's poetic license on they were all eager for him to do it so i think it was they all goaded

02:12:23.680 him into it or like you know urging him forward with his with his plan yeah and i mean again some

02:12:32.460 of the the strange usage always kind of throws me you are not a native english speaker

02:12:37.500 well and again they prick him

02:12:42.620 odd verb um but prodding and goading as a verb we all get and it's again poking somebody with

02:12:52.580 something right this is clearly there and i just didn't think that way right away um

02:12:59.860 Um, so they come to the castle of fire and, um, so now Gunnar rides up, uh, uh, rode upon his horse, Gotti, but Tony on Holkvi and Gunnar smote his horse to face the fire, but shrank aback.

02:13:25.360 So there, the three brothers are attempting to go now. It's not just Gunnar, but the horse dies in the flames and he shrinks back.

02:13:43.340 um then said sigurd why givest thou why givest thou back gunner he answered the horse will not

02:13:55.520 tread this fire but lend me your horse grani so he goes to sigurd and says take take my horse and

02:14:04.300 me borrow yours i with all my good will he says and he gives grani over then gunnar rides him

02:14:16.140 at the fire and yet now no wise will gram stir nor may gunnar any the more ride through that fire

02:14:27.180 So now they change semblance. Gunnar and Sigurd, even as Grimhild had taught them, then Sigurd in the likeness of Gunnar mounts and rides.

02:14:41.120 So, this is kind of availing that Grimhild uses magic.

02:14:46.700 She already has made a potion on Sigurd so that he forgets Brimhild.

02:14:52.660 But now, Gunnar can't get through the fire.

02:14:57.840 His horse, even though the horse has done it before, the rider now is lacking the fortitude of spirit to get through.

02:15:07.340 So he then says, well, how about you stand in my stead, but we'll use the magic that our mother taught us, and you will look like me.

02:15:19.460 This is already just not, it's not good.

02:15:24.860 So he mounts his horse and he rides.

02:15:30.300 Gram, his sword is in his hand.

02:15:32.120 The golden spurs are upon his heels.

02:15:34.400 He leaps, grani, into the fire where he felt the spurs, and a mighty roar rose as the fire burned ever matter, and the earth trembled and the flames went up even unto the heavens.

02:15:51.540 nor had any dared to ride as he rode and even as it were through the deep murk but now the fire

02:16:01.160 sank with all and he leapt from his horse and he went into the hall even as the song says

02:16:07.420 the flame flared at the maddest earth's fields fell a quaking as the red flame aloft licked

02:16:17.000 the lowest of heaven few had been fain of the rulers of the folk to ride through the flame

02:16:24.920 athwart it to tread then sigurd smote granny with sword and the flame was slacked before the king

02:16:36.520 low lay the flames before the fane of fame bright gleamed the array that rayin urts erst owned

02:16:47.000 Reyn, of course, being the one who put the sword together.

02:16:53.660 So Sigurd then passes through the fire, and he came into that certain fair dwelling, and there sat Brynhild.

02:17:02.720 And she asks, what man is it?

02:17:07.560 And then he named himself, not Sigurd, he said, I am Gunnur, son of Gyuki.

02:17:13.780 and said, Thou art awarded to me as my wife

02:17:17.880 by the goodwill and the word of thy father

02:17:20.900 and thy foster father.

02:17:22.280 And I have ridden through the flames of fire

02:17:25.080 according to thy that thou hast set for.

02:17:30.980 I wot not, I wot not, she said,

02:17:35.160 how I shall answer thee.

02:17:39.000 Now Sigurd stood upright in the hall

02:17:41.360 and leaning on the hilt of his sword,

02:17:43.460 he spoke. In reward thereof shall I pay thee a great dowry in gold and goodly things. She answered

02:17:52.920 in a heavy mood from her seat, whereas she sat like unto a swan on a billow, having a sword in

02:18:00.940 her hand and a helm upon her head, and being clad in a barney of chain. O Gunur, she speaks,

02:18:09.760 speak not to me of such things unless thou be the first and the best of all men

02:18:15.800 for then shall thou slay those my wooers if thou hast a heart thereto I have been in battles with

02:18:25.840 the king of the Greeks and weapons were stained with blood and for such things still I yearn

02:18:33.260 And he answers,

02:19:03.260 Soothsayer is a truth-sayer, even though that doesn't have the same meaning, but yeah, he spoke, but the sooth or the truth of it.

02:19:13.720 And she paid heed to his words, then arose and greeted him, and he abode there three nights, and they laid in one bed together.

02:19:26.600 But he took the sword Grom and laid it betwixt them.

02:19:30.160 then she asked him why he laid it there and he answered that in that wise must he needs wed his

02:19:39.500 wife or else get his bane so he lays with her but does not want to sleep with her in in an intimate

02:19:48.320 way because he's representing Gunnar. So he lays the sword between them and says that

02:19:58.580 we have to do this until we're married or I'll be cursed. But really the reason is

02:20:05.380 because he is not who he says he is.

02:20:07.780 uh so sooth uh just on some of these things one of the reasons i like bellows is because the

02:20:18.940 you know there's archaic language and i did not realize that sooth is in fact a germanic word

02:20:28.700 yeah um but yeah it means truer truth it comes from um

02:20:37.740 proto-indo-european and it's got the little exponents so i get it wrong but uh its root

02:20:44.300 means like being existence real to be so you know telling it like it is yeah and and to

02:20:55.100 to be a soothsayer now, people think of it as being someone who kind of speaks what you want

02:21:03.860 to hear. And no, yeah, it means just speak the truth. I remember there was someone a long time

02:21:14.520 ago in the late 80s, early 90s that did an Anglo-Saxon or Germanic equivalent of the Nine

02:21:23.480 noble virtues. And for truth, it was sooth. And that's when I first heard about it. And I had

02:21:32.120 always thought it meant to tell people what they want to hear, a soothsayer. So he says,

02:21:42.960 we'll get cursed if we cross the sword. So we're just going to lay here and

02:21:48.740 go any further and there she took off her ring and vari's loom which he had given her a four time

02:22:00.160 and gave it to him but he gave her another ring out of fafnir's horde so this is where

02:22:09.060 also to the the the ring comes into play um thereafter he rode away through the same fire

02:22:21.380 unto his fellows and he and gunner changed semblances again and then they rode to lean

02:22:29.380 dale and told how it had gone the same day went brynhild home to her foster father and tells him

02:22:38.560 as one whom she trusted how there had come a king to her and he rode through the fire

02:22:45.580 the flaming fire and said he was come to woo me and his name is but i said that such a deed

02:22:53.100 might sigurd alone have done with whom i plighted troth on the mountain and he is my first troth

02:23:00.980 plight and my well beloved what should i do heimir said that things must must needs abide

02:23:11.060 even as now they had come to pass

02:23:15.540 brynhild said the daughter of me and sigurd shall be nourished here with thee so

02:23:25.620 So, the Ausloger, first off the name meaning like water or font of water of the gods.

02:23:38.500 And that it is their daughter.

02:23:42.780 So, their meeting produced a child.

02:23:47.000 And here, Heimir says, I will take your daughter in fostering, my granddaughter, and watch over her.

02:24:01.040 Now the king's fair home, but Brynhild goes to her father.

02:24:06.740 Grimhild welcomes the king meetily and thanks Sigurd for the fellowship.

02:24:14.740 Sorry, this is Brimhild. Brimhild, of course, the queen who does magic and such.

02:24:21.920 She welcomes them and thanks Sigurd for his fellowship with all.

02:24:26.120 In a great feast, many were there.

02:24:29.680 And thither came Butli, the king with his daughter Brimhild, and his son Atli.

02:24:36.060 And for many days did the feast endure.

02:24:38.960 And at the feast was Gunnar wedded to Brimhild.

02:24:42.620 But when it was brought to an end, once more has Sigurd's memory of all the oaths that he swore to Brynhild, yet withal he let all things abide and rest in peace.

02:24:55.560 So he, it kind of washes away, but now the state of himself being married and her being married and him pretending to be Gunnar would all come undone.

02:25:15.460 So Brynhild and Gunnar sat together in great game and glee and drank of goodly wine. 0.88

02:25:25.560 chapter 28, how the queen held angry converse together at the bathing.

02:25:36.660 On a day as the queen, queens went to the river to bathe themselves, Brynhild waded the furthest

02:25:45.000 out into the river and then asked Gudrun what that deed might signify. Brynhild said,

02:25:53.700 I, and why then should I be equal to thee in the matter more than in others?

02:25:59.620 I am minded to think that my father is mightier than yours,

02:26:03.620 and my true love has wrought many wonders of works and fame,

02:26:08.660 and also ridden through the flames and the fire,

02:26:12.020 while thy husband was but the thrall of King Hjeldrak.

02:26:18.020 So she's throwing insults now.

02:26:20.900 We're getting a little testy.

02:26:23.700 uh and gudrun answers full of wrath thou wouldst be wise if thou should hold thy peace rather than

02:26:32.980 revel or revile my husband lo now the talk of all men it is that none has ever abode in this world

02:26:42.500 like unto him in all matters so ever and little it meseems thee of all folk to mock him who was

02:26:51.940 thy first beloved so you loved him first and now you mock him and fafner he slew i and he rode thy

02:27:02.020 flaming fire whereas thou didst deem that he was gunner the king and by thy side he lay and took

02:27:10.900 from thine hand the ring of unvary's loom where mayest thou well behold it

02:27:16.340 it then Brynhild saw the ring and knew it and and waxed as Wayne as a dead woman and she went home

02:27:29.160 and spoke no word ever long so now it's just kind of painting the idea that all parties are now

02:27:36.140 aware she's married Gunders is married to Brynhild and she says you know if you were so important

02:27:45.260 then why did he give me the ring you know why do you why do you um throw curses at the

02:27:52.620 you once loved and if you were so important to him why did he give me the ring that i 1.00

02:27:57.900 i wear now and she flushes with pale and anger and she leaves

02:28:04.780 so when Sigurd came to bed to Gudrun she asked him why Brynhild's joy was

02:28:13.780 so departed he answered I know not but sore I misdoubt me that soon we shall know thereof

02:28:23.640 over well so it won't be long before we find out Gudrun said why may she not love her life

02:28:32.260 having the wealth and the bliss and the praise of all men and the man with all that she would have

02:28:39.080 ah i said sigurd and where in all the worlds was she then when she said that she deemed she had

02:28:48.580 the noblest of all men and the dearest of all of her heart of all so where was she

02:28:55.600 i guess in in in essence uh speaking about who she truly loved when she could

02:29:03.120 simply give it away to someone else but he convinced her he did a really good job it's

02:29:09.740 the fire remember your oath um sigurd said uh or excuse me guthrun answers

02:29:19.160 to mourn will i ask her concerning this who is the who is the lie fest to her of all men for her for

02:29:31.780 a husband sigurd said needs must i forbid thee this and fully surely will thou rue the deed if

02:29:39.880 thou doest it. So she says, tomorrow I'm going to ask her why she lied

02:29:48.060 and proclaimed one man to be her heartfelt, but then married another man. And Sigurd's like,

02:29:57.000 don't do it. It's not going to be good. And the next morning they sat in the bower and

02:30:04.320 Brynhild was silent, and then spoke Gudrun.

02:30:09.760 You should be merry, Brynhild.

02:30:13.060 Grievous thou because of that speech of ours together?

02:30:17.100 Or what other things slayeth thy bliss?

02:30:22.020 So, or what other things?

02:30:24.040 So, are you pissed about the conversation we had yesterday?

02:30:27.820 Or is it something else that's ruining your mood?

02:30:31.920 And Brynhild answers, with not but evil intent thou sayest this, for you a cruel heart thou hast.

02:30:41.660 Say not so, said Gotherun, but rather tell me all the tale.

02:30:49.460 Brynhild answers, ask such things only as are good for thee, to know matters, meet for the mighty dames.

02:30:59.200 go to love and good things when all goes according to thy heart's desire so you're only asking me

02:31:05.440 this to get what you want you don't ask me out of genuine concern because she says why don't you tell

02:31:12.400 me the whole story maybe maybe i don't know everything and maybe i'm i'm confused or i'm

02:31:18.880 misled and brynhild's like no you're not asking me for that you yeah um

02:31:29.200 so guthrun says in reply early days for me to glory in that but this word of thine looketh

02:31:39.040 towards some foreseeing what ill dost thou thrust at me i did not to grieve thee and brynhild

02:31:48.160 Breenhild says, For this shalt thou pay, in that thou hast got Sigurd to thee.

02:31:55.680 No wise can I see thee living in the bliss thereof, whereas thou hast him, and the wealth, and the might of him.

02:32:04.620 But Gudrun answered, Not knew I of your words and vows that you took before us.

02:32:12.100 and well might my father look to the mating of me

02:32:16.380 without dealing with thee first.

02:32:18.440 So I didn't know of the oaths you two made

02:32:21.660 and my father wasn't going to bid ask you

02:32:27.320 for permission before wedding me off.

02:32:33.420 And Brynhild says, no secret speech had we

02:32:36.700 though we swore oath together

02:32:39.740 And full well didst thou know that thou wentest about to guile me, verily though, shall have thy reward.

02:32:53.760 Gudrun says, Thou art mated better than thou art worthy of.

02:32:59.620 You are married to my brother who is better than you.

02:33:05.100 But thy pride and thy rage shall be hard to slake the like, and therefore shall many a man pay.

02:33:14.920 Ah, I should be well content, said Brynhild, if thou hadst not the nobler man.

02:33:23.200 Gudrun answers, so noble a husband hast thou, that who knows of a greater king or lord of more wealth and might.

02:33:31.180 And Brunhild says, Sigurd slew Fafnir, and what only deed is of more worth than all the might of King Gunnir?

02:33:42.780 Even as the song says, so now we have an interpolation of a poem that references back again.

02:33:52.060 And this was also a chance for the storyteller to flex his poetic verse.

02:33:58.880 the worm sigurd slew nor air shall be worsened by age while the world is alive but thy brother

02:34:10.820 the king never durst never bore the flame to ride down through the fire to fare so

02:34:18.500 sigurd slayed the dragon and your brother couldn't muster himself to pass through the fire i set

02:34:27.400 The magical fire I set around my home.

02:34:32.240 And Gudrun answered,

02:34:34.140 Grani would not abide the fire under Gunnur,

02:34:38.460 but Sigurd durst the deed,

02:34:40.620 and thy heart may well abide without mocking him.

02:34:44.100 So that's her argument back, which isn't a good one.

02:34:48.460 Brynhild answers,

02:34:50.180 No wise will I hide from thee,

02:34:52.380 that I deem no good of Grimhild.

02:34:57.400 uh Gudrun's mother ah says Brynhild she is the beginning of all of this hail

02:35:08.120 that that biteth so an evil drink she bore Sigurd so that he had no memory of your name

02:35:17.880 all wrong thou talkest a lie without measure is this quoth good room so she accuses it

02:35:29.780 brinhild accuses guthrun's mother she says no she's the source not only are you a bane

02:35:36.480 she is a bane unto herself and she did this because she saw it all

02:35:42.920 And Gudrun again says, no, you're wrong

02:35:48.280 It's a lie

02:35:49.080 And Brynhild answered

02:35:51.200 Have thou joy of Sigurd according to the measure of the wiles wherewith ye have beguiled him

02:35:58.760 Unworthily have ye conspired against me

02:36:02.080 May all things go with you as my heart hopes

02:36:06.120 And Gudrun says

02:36:09.840 more joy shall I have of him than thy wish would give unto me. But no man's mind it came

02:36:17.960 that he had aforetime his pleasure of me, nay not once. So again, she, there, this is back and forth

02:36:29.300 and she says, you know, I hope that my heart and all the desires I have for you come true. Um,

02:36:36.180 and having victory in taking sigurd even though you lied to him uh and again there's that

02:36:43.620 equivalency to that along with her brother um and uh she says that you know in return uh that i have

02:36:53.500 you know more joy i'll have with sigurd than thy wish would that that what you desire

02:37:00.260 but no man's mind it came that he had aforetime his pleasure of me so he has never experienced

02:37:09.960 the pleasure of a woman like me is what Gudrun is saying and that of course is a direct attack

02:37:18.480 on her because she was the woman before him or before her uh evil speech thou speakest says

02:37:27.180 Brynhild, when thy wrath runs off, thou wilt rue it, but come now, let us no more cast

02:37:38.340 angry words at one another, says Gudrun, thou wert the first to cast such words at me,

02:37:48.100 and now thou makest it as if you would make amends, but a cruel and hard heart abides behind.

02:37:57.180 let us lay aside this vain babble says brunhild long did i hold my peace concerning the sorrow

02:38:06.140 of my heart and lo now thy brother alone do i love let us fall to other talk gudrun said

02:38:14.640 far beyond all this doth thy heart look and so ugly ill befell from the going

02:38:21.620 to the river and that knowing of the ring where from did all their talk arise

02:38:29.180 so before we continue jake from fresno bought us four coffees it's a twenty dollar donation

02:38:40.100 thank you jake we appreciate it and nick from new hampshire donating ten dollars to vns and says

02:38:49.800 thanks for answering my question on vns um you're very welcome we're happy to take any question on

02:38:56.360 vns and we appreciate your donation thank you very much uh nick from new answer

02:39:05.720 um i appreciate everybody you know going through the lore with us and and giving

02:39:12.200 and the great questions um so there's this we'll um we're gonna go for the next uh i don't know

02:39:23.260 little bit here until we get to the till we get close to the nine o'clock hour and then we'll go

02:39:29.420 ahead and hit any of the questions that we haven't gotten we do have a couple of questions

02:39:33.220 um stacked up there but i do assure everybody we will absolutely get to all questions we just want

02:39:39.620 and get to the point where we're trying to make it in the story first

02:39:44.980 and then we'll address all of those.

02:39:46.940 It always makes me laugh when you say 9 o'clock hour.

02:39:49.760 I think of my time and Svon's time, and he's like, you mean midnight?

02:39:55.760 Yeah, which I'm flying with.

02:39:57.880 Midnight, we're shooting for that,

02:40:00.940 and then we switch over to answering questions.

02:40:04.200 But yeah, it's...

02:40:07.660 When I move to Tennessee, I'll phrase everything in terms of your time zone, Nick.

02:40:14.620 As it should be, as it should be.

02:40:18.720 I guess the East Coast doesn't mean anything.

02:40:22.280 It's only where the sun rises.

02:40:24.120 um anyways so uh chapter 29 of Brynhild's great grief and mourning after this talk Brynhild lay

02:40:38.200 a bed and tidings were brought to King Gunnar that Brynhild was sick he goes to see her there

02:40:45.840 on and asks what ails her. But she answered him not, but lay there as if one dead. And

02:40:54.920 when he was hard on her for an answer, she said this. What didst thou that ring that

02:41:05.600 I gave thee, even the one, even the one which king body gave me at our last parting? When

02:41:15.020 thou and king yuki came uh to him and threatened fire and the sword unless he had me as a wife

02:41:25.020 i at the time he led me apart and asked me which i had chosen of those who had come

02:41:34.860 but i prayed him that i might abide toward the land and be chief over the third part of his men

02:41:43.180 then were there two choices for me to deal betwixt either that i should be wedded to him

02:41:50.860 whom he would or lose all of my wheel all of my joy and friendship at his hands and he said with

02:42:00.040 all that his friendship would be better to me than his wrath then i bethought me whether i should

02:42:07.400 yield to his will, or slay many a man. And therewithal I deemed that it would be a veil

02:42:15.320 little to strive against him. So it fell out, and that I promised to wed whomsoever would ride

02:42:23.700 their horse, ride the horse Grani, with Fafnir's horde, and ride through the flaming fire,

02:42:31.560 and slay those men whom i called on him to slay and now so it was that none durst ride save sigurd

02:42:44.100 alone because he lacked no heart thereto i and the worm he he flew and ray in and five kings beside

02:42:54.040 But thou, Gunnar, did those things not. As pale as a dead man didst thou wax, and no king thou art, and no champion. So whereas I made a vow unto my father that him alone would I love, who is the noblest man alive, and that this is none save Sigurd.

02:43:18.020 Lo, now I have broken my oath and brought it to naught, since he is none of mine, and for this cause I shall encompass thy death, and great reward of evil things have I wherewith to reward.

02:43:38.440 Grimhild never I wot has a woman lived eviler or lesser or of lesser heart than she

02:43:48.880 so she lays out that it's finally the breaking point it was a trick she tricked him and or

02:43:59.880 tricked her and forced her to break the oath. And now she's going to return the favor, if you will.

02:44:10.880 And Gunnar answers in such wise that few might hear him. So he speaks quietly. Many a vile word

02:44:18.880 hast thou spoken, and an evil-hearted woman you are, whereas thou revilest a woman far better 1.00

02:44:27.400 than you. Never would she curse her life as thou dost. Nay, nor has she tormented dead folk

02:44:37.180 or murdered any, but lives here her life well and praised by all. So he says, you know,

02:44:44.340 you have a lot of gall to say that you're better than my mother. She hasn't slain anyone or taken

02:44:53.260 their lives and she's praised by everyone here and brynhild says never have i dwelt with evil things

02:45:00.700 privily or done loathsome deeds yet most fain i am to slay thee and therewith would she slay king

02:45:09.900 gunnar but hogni laid laid her in fetters but when gunnar speaks so she she goes or she moves to

02:45:19.980 slay her husband gunner and gunner's brother hogmi puts her in chains uh fetters

02:45:33.500 uh and gunner says nay no i will not uh that she abide in common chains then said she

02:45:43.900 heed it not or why do you care for never again seest thou me glad in thy hall never drinking

02:45:54.220 never at the chess play never speaking the words of kindness never overlaying the fair clothes with

02:46:01.540 gold never giving the good counsel uh my sorrow of my heart that i might not get sicker to me

02:46:08.820 So why not imprison me? Why not put me to death? Because I'm dead to you, and you're dead to me.

02:46:19.060 Then she sat up and smote her needlework, and rent it asunder, and bade set open her bower doors,

02:46:27.900 that far away might the wailings of her sorrow be heard. Then great mourning and lamentation there 0.90

02:46:34.760 was so that the folk heard far and wide throughout the abode but again you know if she's ripping

02:46:41.800 these um needlework that stuff was far more important back then it was it was it helped 0.99

02:46:51.800 the household it whether it was tapestries clothing or what have you so she tears it all 0.91

02:46:58.920 down she's she uh breaks her loom and then opens the doors and wails in sorrow

02:47:10.200 and gudru she asks her bower maidens why they sat so joyless and downcast what has come to you

02:47:19.000 that ye fare as ye with like witness witless women or what unheard of wonders have befallen you

02:47:25.800 Then answered the waiting lady. Her name was Svalflov. An untimely and evil day it is, and our hall is fulfilled with lamentations.

02:47:41.680 Then spoke Gudrun to one of her handmaids, Arise, for ye have slept long. Go and wake Brynhild and let us all fall to our needlework and be merry.

02:47:54.500 So go to her and her section of the castle and bring her to us so that we will work here.

02:48:06.400 And she says, no, no, no wise may I wake her or talk with her.

02:48:13.660 For many days she drunk neither mead nor wine.

02:48:18.200 Surely the wrath of the gods has fallen upon her.

02:48:21.220 and then Gudrun leaves and goes to speak to her brother she says to him go and see her

02:48:30.700 and bid her know that I am grieved with her grief and Gunnar says nope I forbid to go and see her

02:48:40.300 or to share her share in with her will or joy the wellness nevertheless he went unto her and

02:48:48.780 strives in many wise to have speech to her but gets no answer whatsoever therefore he gets him

02:48:56.700 gone and finds his brother hogni and bids him to go see her he said that he was lost there too he

02:49:05.900 was he just dreading he didn't want to go but he went and he got no reply from her then they go and

02:49:13.580 find sigurd and they pray that he go and visit her he answered not thereto and so matters abode

02:49:24.220 for that night so no nothing was um availed for that but the next day

02:49:30.700 when he came home from hunting sigurd went to gudrun and spoke

02:49:34.780 in such wise do matter show to me as though great and evil things will be tied from this trouble

02:49:44.820 and upheaving and that Brynhild will surely die so after a long day of hunting and thinking he

02:49:54.120 finally decides okay I'm going to go talk to her and he says that we need to lay all of this to

02:49:59.460 rest. No good will come of it. And everything is already sealed. Your marriage, my marriage,

02:50:08.480 everything. And he says, I think ultimately this may endanger your life, which again

02:50:15.360 implies that perhaps Grimhild, the queen, or the brothers might be bid to get rid of

02:50:25.920 uh gudrun answers oh my lord by greatest wonders is she encompassed

02:50:36.160 seven days and seven nights has she slept and none has dared to wake her

02:50:43.520 nay she sleeps not said sigur her heart is dealing rather with the dreadful intent against me 0.64

02:50:49.600 then said good weeping woe worth the while for thy death go and see her and what if her fury may 0.89

02:50:59.940 be abated give her gold smother her up her grief and her anger therewith give her anything she

02:51:07.960 wants you know again um kind of just whatever will stop but basically as she's slumbering

02:51:17.800 her vitriol for this is starting to spread through the castle

02:51:24.920 so sigurd went out and found the door of brinhild's chamber he deemed she slept and drew the clothes

02:51:32.360 from off her and said awake Brynhild now bear in mind the clothes are not

02:51:41.160 like the clothes she's wearing but cloth so most likely this is he pulls the bed the blankets

02:51:48.040 off of her and he says um awake Brynhild the sun shineth now over all the house

02:51:54.840 and thou hast slept enough cast this grief off of thee and take up gladness

02:51:59.960 and she says and how then has thou come to me in this treason none was worse to me than you

02:52:09.720 sigurd said why wilt thou not speak to the folk for what cause sorrowest thou

02:52:18.600 and she answers ah to thee will i tell my wrath sigurd said as one under a spell art thou if thou

02:52:29.160 demis that there might ought cruel in my heart cruelty in my heart against thee but thou hast

02:52:36.360 him for husband whom did it whom thou didst choose you chose goodness if you were so in love with me

02:52:45.080 you still chose him um

02:52:49.240 and then she says nay no never through that fire to me nor did he give me dower the host of the

02:53:02.140 slain i wondered at the man who came into my hall for i deemed indeed that i knew thine eyes

02:53:09.620 but i might not see clearly or divide the good from the evil because of the veil that lay heavy

02:53:15.920 on my fortune so she recounts that she recognized his eyes but wondered under the the magic and she

02:53:26.280 didn't realize he had evil in his heart so sigurd says no nobler men are there than the sons of

02:53:34.380 gyuki they slew the king of the danes chief the brother of king uh butli brinhild answered back

02:53:44.260 surely for many an ill deed must i reward them then mind me not of my griefs against them but

02:53:52.100 thou sigurd slewist the worm and rodest the fire through through i for my sake and not one of the

02:54:00.740 sons of king gyuki so i should just give them my adoration but that doesn't really mean anything

02:54:08.980 when the one that I fell in love with slew the dragon

02:54:13.900 and rode through the fire for me, not them.

02:54:21.200 He answers back,

02:54:25.280 Brynhild, I am not thy husband, and thou art not my wife,

02:54:29.700 yet did a far-famed king pay dower to thee.

02:54:33.880 Brynhild said, never looked I at Gunnar in such a wise that my heart smiled upon him, and hard and fell am I to him, though I hide it from others.

02:54:49.020 So she says, I never felt love towards him.

02:54:57.420 A marvelous thing, said Sigurd, not to love such a king.

02:55:01.820 What angers thee most? For surely his love should be better to thee than gold.

02:55:09.880 So it's an amazing feat that you don't love him. Perhaps you just love his wealth.

02:55:18.720 Brynhild answers, enough and despair of Baal is in thy speech.

02:55:24.900 to your overabundance with evil in your words, since thou beratst me and didst twin me and all

02:55:35.280 bliss, not do I heed my life or death. Your words basically kill me. Sigurd answers, 0.93

02:55:44.720 Ah, live and love King Gungner and me withal

02:55:51.340 And all my wealth will I give thee if thou die not

02:55:58.160 So he loved the king and I shall be your friend

02:56:04.420 And I will give you riches

02:56:06.360 Just don't, in essence I guess implying suicide

02:56:13.100 and Brynhild answers thou knowest me not for the heart that is in me for thou art the first

02:56:23.580 and the best of all men and I I am become the most loathsome of all woman to thee

02:56:30.400 this is truer said Sigurd that I love thee better than myself though I fell into the

02:56:39.860 wiles from whence our lives may not escape. For when so my own heart and mind availed me,

02:56:46.800 then I sorrowed sore that thou wert not my wife. But as I might, I put my trouble from me.

02:56:55.220 For in a king's dwelling was, and with all and in spite of all I was, well content that we were all

02:57:04.660 at least still together well may it be that that that shall come to pass which is foretold

02:57:14.340 neither shall i fear the fulfillment thereof so he says i i woke up and was sorrowful of the

02:57:21.620 situation but we made our oaths and at least at this point you're married to gunnar i'm married

02:57:27.780 to gudrun at least we're all together and i don't care how any of this plays out

02:57:32.660 Brynhild answers back and said too late thou tellest me that my grief grieved the little pity shall I

02:57:42.200 shall I find now and Sigurd said this this my heart would that thou and I should go into one

02:57:52.840 bed together even so would it's thou be my wife and Brynhild says such words may no wise be spoken

02:58:01.860 nor will i have two kings in one hall i will lay my life down rather than beguile gunnar the king

02:58:11.500 so in this part is again the fall of sigurd as he's turning and twisting under this he says

02:58:21.740 we could still be together

02:58:24.500 and not

02:58:27.140 dissolve our unions.

02:58:31.500 And she says, no, I would not live in

02:58:34.700 a hall with two kings

02:58:37.340 and I would not spend my life

02:58:40.820 lying and hiding

02:58:42.300 to Gunnar.

02:58:45.580 and therewith she called to mind how they met they too on the mountain and they had sworn

02:58:56.180 their oaths to each other but now is all changed and i will not live and sigurd said i might not

02:59:07.180 call to mind thy name or no no time again before the time of thy wedding the greatest

02:59:15.280 of all grief griefs in your death then brinhild said i swore an oath to wed the man who should

02:59:25.680 ride the flaming fire and that oath will i hold you or die rather than thou die i will wed thee

02:59:34.640 and put away gudrum so now he's saying instead of dying so he has these deep feelings he says

02:59:42.560 no no instead of dying i will i will stop i will uh annul the marriage and i will i will wed the

02:59:54.080 uh but therewithal so swelled the heart betwixt the sides of them that the rings of his barony

03:00:03.440 burst asunder so now he is absolutely just professing i'll lay it all down and we'll

03:00:10.320 start again but it's too late she says i will not have thee nay nor any other then sigurd left

03:00:20.640 so say it the song of sigurd out went sigurd the great kings well loved from the speech and

03:00:27.440 the sorrow sore drooping so grieving that the shirt round about him the iron rings

03:00:34.080 woven from the sides broke asunder of the brave in the battle

03:00:42.240 so when sigurd came into the hall gunner asked if he had come to a knowledge of what grief lay so

03:00:48.880 heavy that she laid power of speech and sigurd said that she lacked it not so now gunner goes

03:00:58.480 to her again and asks her what wrought her woe or if were there anything that might amend it

03:01:07.120 and she says i will not live says brynhild for sigurd has betrayed me i and thee no less whereas

03:01:15.440 thou did suffer him to come into my bed low thou two men in one dwelling i will not have

03:01:24.080 and this shall be sigurd's death or thy's death or my death for now has he told gudrum all and she

03:01:34.160 is mocking me even now that one's really you know he betrayed me you betrayed me you let him 1.00

03:01:43.120 ride through the fire and lay in bed with me you're total scum and now 1.00

03:01:51.600 Now he tells his wife everything, and she mocks me because she is evil too. 1.00

03:02:00.840 And with that, we're going to leave it for tonight. 0.94

03:02:05.280 I have to run to the restroom, really.

03:02:07.700 I've been holding on to this.

03:02:09.040 I'm going to try not to stop.

03:02:10.320 All right.

03:02:12.380 So as Svon goes and relieves himself,

03:02:16.800 we will address some of the questions that we have.

03:02:21.600 from an email to bns at runestone.org.

03:02:27.420 Keep in mind, you can email that whenever you want,

03:02:29.700 and we will get to your question when we get to it,

03:02:32.580 but we promise we'll answer all the questions we get.

03:02:36.540 Gabe would like to know,

03:02:37.800 is the Hoftholler before or after taxes?

03:02:41.580 So folks that might not know,

03:02:43.340 Hoftholler is our percentage-based giving.

03:02:48.340 We ask that if you're an AFA member,

03:02:51.600 that you donate one an honest one percent of your income to the astro folk assembly um

03:03:00.640 that is

03:03:03.920 it is something the one percent is is arbitrary but um the concept of percentage-based giving was

03:03:10.960 with the hoftoller is based on the practice of our ancestors that they used to donate towards

03:03:18.580 Hoffs and Gothart, that our faith would exist and flourish in the times of our ancestors.

03:03:25.660 It was lamented against, because at the time, in Anglo-Saxon England, I was reading The Elder Gods by Stephen Pollington.

03:03:35.600 And he points out that, and I forget the name of the bishop, but at the time, he was very upset at the Christians in England because they were getting shown up.

03:03:46.040 the Ausitruar there were generously paying their Hoftholler and the Christians were not doing

03:03:53.820 their tithing. And he pointed that out by contrast. So that was something we used to excel at.

03:04:01.400 So a Hoftholler in the Ausitru Folk Assembly, like I said, is a minimum of 1%. You're very

03:04:08.560 welcome and it's much appreciated if you'd like to donate more than that. But we ask 1% if you're

03:04:14.460 on Hoftholler. Now, a question, and it's a fair question, is the Hoftholler before or after taxes?

03:04:25.560 Obviously, what I would like to say is before taxes, that gets us a bigger chunk, and it is

03:04:32.240 tax deductible, as any donations to the Astro Folk Assembly are. But that said, we're not petty,

03:04:41.000 and we're not trying to get into all that we're taking it on good faith uh do what you feel

03:04:46.200 compelled to do if you think that's an honest one percent of your income then that's fine we're not

03:04:51.640 we're not worried about um trying to twist anybody's arm at the end of the day it's not

03:04:58.360 about that yes we certainly need money and donations to keep our mission going to accomplish

03:05:05.240 things to get hoffs and to to do this at the level that it ought to be done at but

03:05:13.480 it's not about that we would never want that to be a cause of hard feelings amongst the folk um

03:05:23.480 one of the things that's cool about hoff toller is that we get to rise and fall together you know

03:05:30.120 You know, when people are having hard times, then we all can adjust and cut back together.

03:05:35.660 When we're all successful, then we can all benefit from, you know, the boons of that success.

03:05:42.980 Off-told, it's really nice that way because it adjusts as, you know, a person's situation adjusts.

03:05:48.800 If somebody, you know, makes lots of money, then cool.

03:05:53.060 The Austria Focus simply swells with our ability to do so.

03:05:56.100 If somebody's on hard times, then, you know, we contract and we all have to tighten up.

03:06:03.180 But, yeah, it's a really nice thing.

03:06:05.380 A lot of folks have done that.

03:06:07.340 It's one of the big reasons that we're able to get Hoffs at the rate we're getting them

03:06:12.220 and to accomplish the things we're able to accomplish.

03:06:14.440 So I appreciate you asking the question.

03:06:16.780 And, you know, whether it's before or after taxes, it's whatever you feel is appropriate on that.

03:06:22.240 We'll, you know, trust you and your noble judgment on that.

03:06:26.100 Svan has returned to us. He has a question specifically from Mary. She says, Svan, I have a question about Old Norse. I wanted to know what hail victory means as victory is a Latin derived word.

03:06:42.500 i found uh hail sigurd is the correct is correct and if not what is so the you are there is an

03:06:52.740 icelandic innovation in old norse it's just uh sigurd without the u s-i-g-r um

03:07:03.540 so swan she asked you so i let you respond to this first well um just what you said

03:07:10.020 a lot of people don't, I guess, don't realize, but the best way to think of it is that the R

03:07:16.480 is a syllable unto itself. And so that sig, ur, and then the Icelanders added the U as kind of

03:07:28.020 a place marker. I don't know if they were doing it perhaps to teach people easy, more easily,

03:07:36.880 or um or why the the motivation behind that but um yeah the uh the r itself is its own

03:07:48.200 no sigur means victory um and it actually i i'm going to leave this part of the uh explanation

03:07:56.960 to alzir ago because he went and looked because this question came up first and we were kind of

03:08:03.620 talking about it and um he looked up the etymology origins of both victory and as and uh sigurd um

03:08:16.100 so in essence he has the answer but i did want to address something else um the usage of the word

03:08:24.580 One thing about the Norse versus, say, German is that the EI does not make a long I sound. It is pronounced with the E and the I combined together in a diphthong as heil instead of heil.

03:08:44.620 So and I do it. I did it earlier. You know, again, it's just a matter of when your brain sees that rule.

03:08:54.620 The other thing is, is I would encourage everyone to get away from the usage of heilsa or halsa. That is a descriptor of people praying or giving worship to something else.

03:09:15.780 So you're a third party and you're speaking about these people doing something.

03:09:24.320 And what they're doing is they're giving thanks and worship.

03:09:29.060 They're giving their house up to the Godsteads or at the temple or what have you.

03:09:36.300 So I noticed that a little while ago that started popping up.

03:09:41.020 but people would say hailsa and um i just didn't understand that why that shift happened um

03:09:50.920 but no the correct is is hail and i've seen it both with um a single l and a double l

03:09:59.920 um and generally in modern icelandic when you see a double l there is a

03:10:05.940 hard lateral lisp that's thrown in so for instance with with heimdallur it can be said like that but

03:10:18.440 you'll hear icelanders say heimdallur it's not so pronounced it's just heimdallur but it's a

03:10:26.960 soft lateral lisping of a, like a sharp turn in the L's. Um, and that could, I mean, the double

03:10:38.320 L has significance. So, you know, I generally have always kind of written it with a single L.

03:10:44.380 Um, but I don't know if that rule applies even today, cause that's not really a word

03:10:49.740 utilized. But I, you know, I looked it up immediately in my reference books here. Sigur

03:10:57.560 means victory. But Al-Syrgothi went one step further, looking at the etymology, he found some

03:11:04.420 interesting differences between Sigur and victory and their origins. So I was going to pass it to

03:11:12.240 on that so they're almost exactly the same but first on the uh uh hail sigurd um

03:11:22.480 i don't know if it makes that little t noise at i do know if it's in the middle of a

03:11:28.000 in the middle of a word it does sometimes those little idiosyncrasies work a little different

03:11:35.600 when they're at the end of a word versus when they're in the middle um like the g sometimes

03:11:41.600 is almost silent, but if it ends in the G, it makes a K sound. So it's tricky, and all

03:11:52.160 of us are working on it. But yeah, it's pronounced Hale, even though it's spelled, and it is

03:11:57.640 spelled with the two L's in the Old Norse. But both, and important to mention, Latin

03:12:07.200 and old Norse are both Aryan languages they all go back to the same to the same roots and you know

03:12:16.140 they deviate earlier than say you know English and German but they do ultimately go back to

03:12:24.420 really similar concepts both of the things mean victory Latin is victory by like

03:12:34.180 um over overtaking something whereas sigur is victory by like overcoming or overpowering

03:12:44.740 something they both mean to like over

03:12:51.940 to surmount something but i think that the most subtle because they go back to different

03:12:59.460 proto-indo-european roots but proto-indo-european language has a lot of words that mean virtually

03:13:06.420 identical things and victory was very important to them so they have you know a number of things

03:13:12.420 to express a very similar concept i think the best i could get etymologically as a subtle difference is

03:13:19.460 is latin victoria is like victory in a race whereas old norse uh sigur is like victory in

03:13:35.060 a wrestling match but i think that might be a really subtle difference both of them are about

03:13:42.580 overcoming something one being like overtaking whereas the other is like overpowering but it's

03:13:48.580 It's both like subduing something by more than, by surpassing it in some way, be it speed, strength, accomplishment.

03:14:01.100 It goes back to the idea of, you know, overdoing something in order to win and be, you know, achieve.

03:14:13.840 it's funny because it's hard to figure out what words to use without using the term victory it's

03:14:19.740 so prevalent in the English language so I guess it's winning by overpowering overcoming in you

03:14:30.180 know in each of those cases but it's almost identical it's very very similar and there's

03:14:35.540 only a very subtle deviation and at the point where we're dealing with proto-indo-european

03:14:41.780 And it starts getting kind of speculative to where this retreats within the margin of error, I think.

03:14:49.460 But yeah, it surprised me looking up the answer to the questions on how almost identical they are in their meaning.

03:15:01.840 Next we got, also from an email from Tyler.

03:15:06.260 hey there listening to some of your older material one term that grabbed my attention is that of

03:15:12.420 knifing uh if you'll pardon my spelling uh from what i gather this is an especially dishonorable

03:15:19.680 person oh needling maybe yeah um

03:15:24.760 this is an especially dishonorable person what does it take to be labeled as such

03:15:32.720 I gather that being a kinslayer is one such thing, but is there a list of others?

03:15:39.020 Can someone come back from being labeled as such?

03:15:42.400 Thank you.

03:15:43.240 Much love to the AFA.

03:15:45.320 So Swan, go ahead and take first crack at this.

03:15:47.940 I mean, I'm just kind of thinking that they might have meant needling, but need or neither kind of all apply.

03:15:57.820 a person who is a needling is one who has gone egregiously against either the decrees of man

03:16:11.020 or the decrees of their ancestors or the decrees of the gods. And that's where a lot of confusion

03:16:19.540 comes in um obviously the decrees of man are subjective um and the potence of the title

03:16:29.380 indicates that it's not something that's like oh you broke a minor law it that's not what

03:16:38.540 that's being referred to but instead um that it it's closer to you know great moral wrongs

03:16:49.300 that society knows should not be crossed.

03:16:57.300 And then you have those of your ancestors.

03:17:00.540 I think that that has higher priority

03:17:04.740 when we talk about kinslaying.

03:17:07.460 Because we spoke of the divinity

03:17:10.740 being witnessed by the divine,

03:17:13.820 having our doom or our fates meted out by the divine

03:17:17.680 are a huge part of our lives but the other two that a lot of people don't talk about

03:17:23.020 is the doom that is uh left by our ancestors um us wanting to be accepted by them um

03:17:34.460 and so we have to look at the things that we do that might stop them from being accepted

03:17:43.560 One thing, too, is worth. If there is someone who takes to slaying life with no regard for the victory that's to be gained from it, you know, they're just simply slaying for the sake of slaying.

03:18:03.180 Um, again, all three of those that tripartite, if you will, the triplication there will all each hold a sense of what decrees you as a needling.

03:18:23.500 Um, but it's, it's, again, it's, uh, it's hard because there's no just outright other than of course, uh, the, the, the stealing or, uh, attempting to, uh, the fornication between or stealing or cheating on with, uh, married couples is kind of viewed.

03:18:52.020 and that's stated in the sagas. Snorty speaks of that. He also says breaking an oath. So breaking

03:19:00.620 an oath and the solemnity of an oath dooms one to be a needling and slaying of kin. And the fate

03:19:11.720 is that when you go to the gates, sorry, when you go to the bridge of hell and you are standing

03:19:18.560 there. Movguv denies your access because the ancestors have deemed you a needling. And then

03:19:25.360 you must take the lower path and cross the rivers and go to Naustrand, the death's beach, the gloom

03:19:34.860 beach. You know, there's not like, the gods aren't in the underworld weighing your heart with a

03:19:42.680 feather. No, the system's set up in an immediacy. The gods have already seen what you've done from

03:19:51.040 above in the wellspring. So this kind of doom can be placed on you. It can be placed on you

03:20:00.720 by the gods. It can be placed on you by men, and it can be placed on you by your ancestors.

03:20:05.680 And when you show up, you're denied and you have to go to the place of disillusion and dissipation.

03:20:17.220 The question that you bring about whether there is redemption is an interesting one in relation to the various things that could happen.

03:20:34.320 And I don't know, you know, if you're slaying life without any concern or care, I, you know, I don't know if there's a comeback for that.

03:20:50.280 um the same again with kinslaying but the point of our faith the point of our church is to attempt

03:20:59.240 to take people who have crossed the threshold and try to help them return because again your

03:21:07.480 deeds got you in that position to begin with then that would incline the idea that there are deeds

03:21:14.440 that you can take to redeem yourself and i think all too often nowadays people get into the black

03:21:22.680 face paint shoulder pelt thinking of all or nothing without considering uh you know

03:21:32.760 things in our in our history and in our lore that that state that our our ancestors didn't think of

03:21:39.000 this just so one way um yes the the needing good uh a villain um legally the strongest term for abuse

03:21:55.400 a traitor a truce breaker one who commits a deed of wanton cruelty a coward and the like so

03:22:02.440 So again, the best way to look at this is if you are considering either the acts that you have done or someone else has done, the realm in which they are looked upon, the realm of men and law, the realm of the gods and their law, which is not subjective, and the realm of your ancestors.

03:22:27.840 Whatever does great harm to your folk, to your family, to your people, can get you that title.

03:22:42.480 I don't know.

03:22:43.620 That's a very big and nuanced subject.

03:22:47.660 It is.

03:22:48.300 and I want to thank you for the question, first of all,

03:22:53.660 because I think it is a really interesting one

03:22:56.520 and it touches on some really important concepts.

03:23:06.800 It is, our faith is much more nuanced

03:23:13.860 than some other faiths.

03:23:15.740 There are very legalistic faiths to where if you do this, then you are that, and you get in irredeemable categories that are impossible to get out of, and they're very legally based.

03:23:37.140 Ours is much more situational and much more nuanced.

03:23:41.380 It's not as though fundamentally in a religious sense, a person gets proclaimed a nithingur and then they're forever adjudicated as that thing.

03:24:00.160 That might be a judgment that is passed, but just the use of the term is a pejorative for people that behave in certain ways.

03:24:09.680 One of the concepts that's also very important in our lore is the idea that you judge things by their totality and not by individual moments all the time.

03:24:23.800 so and I say that to say this the world of our ancestors and the way that we have reason to

03:24:33.100 believe it works amongst the gods are things are judged based upon a variety of factors and you

03:24:40.000 are judged by your community the idea of honor wasn't just something that you objectively looked

03:24:48.700 a rubric and said oh i scored this many points therefore i have honor honor was bestowed on you

03:24:54.460 by the judgment of your community and the people who had say in your community of wow this person

03:25:00.220 we will bestow an honor upon them this person is honorable this other person is not

03:25:06.220 if you are a dirt bag and you are known for your misdeeds your community will deem you a

03:25:11.740 a nether and you are adjudicated as that but and so again if the penalty was swift if they're like 1.00

03:25:22.680 hey this guy's out there you know committing dishonorable acts boom kill him then cool you're 0.96

03:25:29.380 done but assuming that you have another 30 years can you redeem what you've done in that time and 0.95

03:25:36.600 counterweight it with good things, maybe, I don't know what you did, but it's a bigger, it's a

03:25:44.760 bigger concept than that, so, you know, Nick's definition he put up is absolutely, like, the

03:25:49.740 definition, but the etymology goes back a little bit more, it's not just, it's those things, but

03:25:55.980 it implies in the the proto-germanic the idea of uh hatred malice and like treachery so it's not

03:26:08.340 it's the shadiness and the sliminess of it um you know spawn mentioned adultery and that's part of

03:26:19.700 but it's not just that it's described in the poetic as um

03:26:29.540 lest i butcher it i'll just read the passage um as far as uh now strong where the people

03:26:36.180 where uh nythingers find themselves um she saw their waiting uh onerous streams men perjured

03:26:45.140 and wolfish murderers and the ones who seduce another's close trusted wife

03:26:52.420 it's not just that an affair is going on it's an extra element of like somebody that looks

03:26:59.860 for an opportunity to steal somebody's wife and be extra shady it's not like and this isn't to

03:27:07.380 you know excuse other variants and other behaviors but this is very particular like

03:27:13.060 somebody who looks to take advantage um it's wolfish murderers not just murderers but somebody

03:27:20.500 who's shady and stalking someone and creeping around and waiting for their opportunity and

03:27:27.140 sneaking one on um it's it's perjury it's not just that you're lying about something it's that

03:27:34.660 you're going to the point of making an oath to something knowingly being false the idea here

03:27:40.100 isn't that you don't live up to your oath it's that you're knowingly like you are intentionally

03:27:47.700 lying you are intentionally being false all of these things imply a malicious intent that

03:27:58.180 it's very easy to get caught up and um judge everything as a black and a white

03:28:04.340 In Ausatru, one of the concepts that we talk about with the idea of being Aryan is being noble people.

03:28:13.760 When you are a noble person, the more elevated you are, the more beyond that very strict delineation you are.

03:28:25.240 the more you have to factor in the nuance and the detail and make judgments in a world that we

03:28:31.880 acknowledge is very messy. So that said, there's a lot of things that get balanced. So

03:28:40.160 in the end, your judgment, you are not judged objectively against a rubric of behavior.

03:28:50.320 You are judged with the totality based on the subjective judgments of those in your community, of your family, after death, of the gods themselves.

03:29:03.340 That said, there are certainly things that you do that you can't come back from and you can't outdo.

03:29:12.000 that, you know, there's sometimes in one act of betrayal or dishonor that you're, you know,

03:29:20.760 it's a one and done. There's also many subtle acts of ignoble behavior that you can outdo and

03:29:32.300 that you can compensate for. The, you know, the detail work on that is what makes life messy.

03:29:40.660 But ultimately, it's up to your community and those you care about to judge you worthy or unworthy.

03:29:46.780 If you've done something so despicable, because here's another thing in our faith, we are not obliged to forgive anyone.

03:29:54.020 also with nuance you are fully capable as an Aryan man or woman to extend forgiveness

03:30:03.800 out of your own generosity of spirit because you choose to because someone has compensated

03:30:11.380 you in some way and you want to forgive them but you are not obliged to forgive them people don't

03:30:18.720 owe the Neethinger forgiveness or trying to make them feel better it would be incumbent upon

03:30:31.120 the Neethinger to redeem himself in some way to compensate whoever they've wronged

03:30:38.960 and hopefully the benevolence of that person will allow them that opportunity

03:30:46.760 But I don't think it's something you can bank on.

03:30:49.720 I think it's something to think about, though, because we all,

03:30:53.220 and I know this is kind of in the spirit of the question.

03:30:55.660 It's a very common way of thinking.

03:30:58.260 It's not just about those one and done things.

03:31:01.480 So it's not like you cross a line, you become a needlinger,

03:31:05.100 and then you can't get back across it.

03:31:07.040 Not in the definition of the word or the way that it's used in our lore.

03:31:12.600 But it is if that becomes your reputation.

03:31:15.020 and I know that a lot of what I'm saying

03:31:17.180 is kind of gobbledygook here

03:31:18.520 and I don't mean it that way

03:31:19.760 but what I mean is this.

03:31:25.200 Every one of us has lied in the course of our life.

03:31:30.580 Sometimes maybe you're a kid,

03:31:32.420 maybe you're at a different point in your life,

03:31:34.500 maybe it's a white lie that you,

03:31:36.720 you know, how do I look?

03:31:38.040 Oh, you look great.

03:31:40.240 There's all those moments. 0.86

03:31:41.740 At what point do you become, you know, Bill the liar? If that is your moniker is you are the liar, you are a liar. It's not because you lied once. It's because you are notorious for your lying. 1.00

03:32:00.840 Either you lie so frequently that it defines your character, or maybe you lied once, but your lie was so big that that's all you are known for.

03:32:16.680 And that's, you know, one of those things.

03:32:18.900 I think that we all have had moments in our life where we have betrayed someone in some way.

03:32:24.800 but benedict arnold has become synonymous with treason because one act of betrayal defined his

03:32:35.500 legacy so it's an issue of frequency and of scope and of how much that behavior is the definitive

03:32:47.660 characteristic of who you are as a person just like are you a coward or not every one of us

03:32:54.520 acts out of fear at different times in our life some to much greater degrees some to lesser degrees

03:33:01.560 but there's a difference between oh somebody was scared once and they are known for their

03:33:06.840 cowardice thus they are a coward so i think that probably illustrates

03:33:13.720 what i'm trying to say better than some of my flailing a little bit earlier

03:33:17.960 the one point i would actually add too though is you mentioned like with murder and the wolfish

03:33:29.780 murder where you stalking somebody where you're planning it etc etc even in american justice

03:33:34.580 system we have that distinction first degree murder versus second degree murder versus third

03:33:39.100 degree murder first degree murder in order to do that you have you have to have premeditated that

03:33:44.000 Well, so I appreciate the point that you're making, that there are degrees of it.

03:33:49.000 And we even recognize in today's world, difference of degrees and, you know, antecedents to it and mitigating factors.

03:33:58.280 In the world of our ancestors, in the world of the sagas, there was a difference.

03:34:03.660 If, if I were to like sneak up on you and kill you and then hide your body and pretend it didn't happen, that is a, that is a murder. 0.98

03:34:19.700 If I were to kill you and then go into the nearest town within, I think a day and say, hey, Svan, you know, said the wrong thing and I cleaved his head with an ax. 0.99

03:34:31.380 what that's different then there's the opportunity for his people to come after me or for me to you 0.98

03:34:38.180 know express my reasons or whatever else it was a very different scenario and you'll see that i

03:34:45.220 think in y'all's saga they talk about that a lot if you you know sneak up and burn somebody's you

03:34:50.980 know house with them in it and then you don't tell anybody that is a crime because it's shady you're

03:34:57.220 doing something that you know damn well you're ashamed of and you're not saying it out loud

03:35:03.860 if you you know were to do a similar thing in an upfront way and acknowledge it and take

03:35:12.100 responsibility for it it becomes a different sort of thing and i think that's kind of a note about

03:35:21.620 this is it's not just doing some of these things it's doing them in a shady way

03:35:27.460 it's knowingly falsifying an oath it's knowingly betraying an oath out of malicious intent it's

03:35:36.420 trying to steal somebody's wife when they're not looking it's sneaking up on someone and killing

03:35:43.460 them it it implies a um just a greasy shadiness and a lack of of upfront and courageous feeling

03:35:55.220 that kind of defines some of that and i none of these answers are ever as clean

03:36:00.500 as i think a lot of people want and unfortunately that's the burden of being a noble man or woman

03:36:08.020 is you have to make these nuanced choices in life on what you're going to do it's like somebody

03:36:15.360 mentioned kinslay yeah but we see in the sagas unfortunately a lot of instances where folks are

03:36:25.440 put in a spot where the requirements of revenge involve slaying your own kin to avenge the slaying

03:36:37.280 of your kin, and trying to sort that out is hellish, because there is no perfect answer.

03:36:46.340 You have to choose between poor answers to try to figure out the best one or the one

03:36:50.820 most in keeping.

03:36:51.600 I mean, we see that in the story that we're reading earlier about, what's her name?

03:37:04.580 the the sister slash wife uh or sister slash uh baby mama of uh sigmund oh earlier um yeah

03:37:20.100 to avenge the murder of her father she ends up killing numerous of her sons

03:37:25.220 um yeah there's stuff and obviously the the mythical more fantastical stories

03:37:38.820 right in such bigger and bolder colors but in very nuanced ways there's there's things where

03:37:46.420 you have to weigh different things and make responsible choices based on, you know, your

03:37:55.220 wisdom and your character. And our faith encourages you to engage in doing that. It's not as though

03:38:03.060 you're judging your actions by a rubric. You're judging your actions. You're putting the truth

03:38:09.860 of who you are, your character, and what you've done in your life up to the judgment of in this

03:38:15.840 world your community and your peers in the next well and your family and in the next world

03:38:24.720 you're leaving that judgment to your ancestors and to the gods and uh

03:38:32.320 again it's a it's a nuanced thing and there's there's a lot of detail that goes into it

03:38:37.120 her name was signi signi i was gonna say it's signi and another thing i wanted to bring up is um

03:38:43.920 Um, the, the, uh, authority of the accuser in a way, um, was very important to our ancestors.

03:38:51.520 So, you know, if you make an oath and for some reason you can't fulfill it because of

03:38:58.300 the way the world works out, um, and the accuser says, you know, you are an oath breaker, um,

03:39:05.900 That gives a lot of personal power into the hands of someone that you might have considered your brother or friend without any recollection of the future and what all these other things pertain.

03:39:22.740 So a Gothi who is versed in the law, a, you know, a third party, almost the ones who deem outlawry and all those things, that is, I think, a far greater step.

03:39:43.520 But ultimately, it does lie on the doom meted out by the gods and the adherence that their ancestors had.

03:39:52.740 interesting point you make there you know there if you make an agreement

03:40:01.460 then yeah not living up to your agreement is bad not living up to it due to negligence

03:40:09.940 is bad and is a problem and is an infraction you will be judged for

03:40:14.260 not living up to it because you're devious and because you had no intention of living up to it

03:40:22.860 because you don't care about your word is an entirely different type of infraction it is also

03:40:29.560 bad but it's worse it's dirtier and it's sleazier and it be it bespeaks of a poor character much

03:40:37.160 more than the other. The details matter in our very nuanced belief system.

03:40:49.960 I don't say this intentionally to be despairing at other faiths. I say it specifically to be

03:40:55.180 elevating of ours. Alistair True is a religion for adults. We live in an adult world with

03:41:02.360 adult and nuanced circumstances it would be easier for us to draw everything in very

03:41:12.120 legalistic black and white all the time but that's not really the way the world around us works

03:41:17.160 so we're challenged to look deeper and this is a kind of a follow-up comment

03:41:22.600 in the chat how about uh our values differing from those of the system based on christian values

03:41:29.320 A lot of things I find in the Havamal are very different than Christian values.

03:41:34.440 And this is one thing I'd like to note, and I've mentioned it on the program before.

03:41:40.180 In the Abrahamic faith, your transgression isn't against the person you do something bad to.

03:41:51.520 your transgression is sinning against Jehovah

03:41:56.000 or Allah in that branch of the Abrahamism

03:42:01.300 so you need to make it right with them

03:42:06.720 and not so much the person that you did something bad to

03:42:12.740 in our faith it is much more based on

03:42:17.560 the people that suffer as a result of your behavior.

03:42:23.160 You are exalted for things you do

03:42:25.840 that benefit your community,

03:42:29.160 that benefit your family,

03:42:32.260 that bring honor and glory to your people,

03:42:35.580 your name, our gods.

03:42:38.140 And you are judged harshly on things

03:42:40.340 that damage that community,

03:42:41.980 things that take away from your family,

03:42:44.180 Things that lower or put our gods or our faith or our people in ill repute.

03:42:51.640 So the directionality of who you need to make it right with is very different.

03:43:02.560 And the community passing judgment on you as opposed to the community being obliged to forgive you and to race at forgiving you.

03:43:13.620 it's always deeply and fundamentally disgusting when i watch a documentary and someone's you know

03:43:22.340 family is murdered and it's like the family races to see who can be the first to

03:43:30.980 express their you know unconditional forgiveness of the one who you know raped and murdered their

03:43:36.900 children like it's quite literally disgusting and yeah so there's some very fundamental

03:43:46.600 differences and we see it in that instance i'd say a lot more starkly than maybe some others

03:43:52.960 um next question what god or goddess would you call on during a rune curse ritual

03:44:04.500 against our enemies who wish to brainwash our youth

03:44:08.660 to hate themselves and even to end themselves.

03:44:13.120 Freya for Sather. 0.90

03:44:15.280 Swan, you want to attack that first?

03:44:17.580 Sure.

03:44:18.820 I think it's ill to think that Sather and Freya

03:44:26.820 are connected solely to cursing.

03:44:29.900 um i think that's a a very very very new idea trying to kind of be pushed um most certainly

03:44:40.140 in the sagas one of the most uh like well noted runic curses was done by a woman but it was done

03:44:46.940 with runes um and so bail bail working with runes is noted and remarked um say there is never noted

03:44:58.060 or remarked as being in relation to um at least cursing but certainly there's reference to and

03:45:08.380 again is it really say that it's generally pushed off that they've learned magic from the fins

03:45:13.660 and so they know ways to make uh you know fog drop on your enemies or what have you um i think

03:45:21.740 say that it has far more about communication with other worldly spirits than it does with cursing

03:45:29.660 um if you were giving balefulness i would say um if your if your cause is just to call upon the the

03:45:47.820 gods of your people against an enemy would be just but the first thought i initially had was lord

03:45:57.340 odin the he can be the bull worker the bail worker and again the usage and knowledge of the

03:46:04.940 runes to make sure that you are doing things correctly because it's dangerous if you go

03:46:10.860 and do things incorrectly you could end up causing more harm on yourself or those around you

03:46:17.820 but outside of that yeah i you know if your cause is just i don't see any reason why you couldn't

03:46:27.120 call any of the gods but be weary of trying to associate saether magic and freya with evil works

03:46:35.860 that i think is a misnomer that's been creeping up as of late i don't i don't understand it too

03:46:44.020 much i think it's uh it's antithetical to what we have as evidence

03:46:51.700 yeah i agree with um i agree with what's fawn said i want to you know add a couple of couple of

03:46:57.700 things i think that pigeonholing lady freya or saver in general as being some kind of

03:47:10.820 you know evil black magic hocus pocus is

03:47:17.000 I think it's trendy and I think it's based on a misunderstanding of how that works

03:47:25.640 um I tend to agree it tends there's a lot there that deals with oracular things and

03:47:34.360 communication beyond the veil i don't think there's an inherent

03:47:39.160 curse aspect to it certainly it could be utilized for that as as most things could be um

03:47:46.440 i do think we see curses very often being something that women do and that you know um

03:47:53.720 um nor near or witches do but it's not confined to that I think as time went on and when there

03:48:08.720 were different options available that did get associated with women often but curse work and

03:48:15.680 you mentioned the rune specifically was done by men often as well I would go with spawn if I if I

03:48:21.260 to well and so here's something i wanted to mention as well in curses on stuff if you are

03:48:28.860 mentioning the gods like what was a thing on rune stones would be carved like hey if you mess with

03:48:38.300 this stone or if you you know disturb those entombed here may thor strike you or whatever you

03:48:46.380 wishing that the gods would judge you harshly if you do something bad or transgressive

03:48:54.880 within some kind of a talisman or a runic scripture somewhere I think that's appropriate

03:49:04.860 but I'd be really careful what is a Wiccan thing that they like to do is think that they can

03:49:10.720 And I don't know, like tell the gods what to do. There's a presumptive thing in modern Wiccan occultism thing where it's like you can somehow invoke and command gods to do stuff that you tell them to do because you've got the right crystals or whatever.

03:49:35.900 And that's silly. And it's really impious to demand that the gods be, you know, your hitmen on stuff that you don't like. So don't call on any of our gods in that in that way.

03:49:50.940 Now to say like, hey, this is my mom's grave. If you mess with her grave, may Thor, you know, knock you upside the head with Mjolnir. Okay, I think that's fine. 0.91

03:50:03.400 but if you want to beseech the gods to take up your cause if they find you worthy or in some

03:50:15.000 way you want to appeal to them along your effort of of cursing and certainly for the things that

03:50:21.780 you mentioned um yeah odin would be my go-to on that i don't think that there's you know a wrong

03:50:29.440 choice but if there was a god that i would appeal to to aid in rune work towards cursing the enemies

03:50:40.800 of our folk uh oh then would be who i would who i would address that to

03:50:49.360 he also extended on the on the comment he said i didn't mean to pigeonhole either

03:50:54.240 uh and each magic does have two sides you know usually so i mean i think the biggest thing too

03:51:00.800 is we're addressing that issue not simply for you white horse but for anyone else that might

03:51:07.540 be doing it and or or believing in that or and it's certainly kind of also expressing the view

03:51:13.980 of the church that yeah please keep that in mind i think that it naturally lends itself to that

03:51:22.100 When you ask a question, it's not wrong to assume we're talking to you and we're answering it, and we are, but we're also talking to the other audience that's listening, not just now, but we have people that go back and listen to old episodes all the time.

03:51:38.260 one of the things that i appreciate a lot is you guys asking questions for every one of you who

03:51:43.460 comes here and actually asks a question there's you know maybe a hundred people who listen

03:51:49.620 that don't ask but that do wonder that have ideas in their heads that they don't know about so

03:51:54.980 sometimes your question sparks a thought that we want to just elaborate on for folks your questions

03:52:01.780 kind of steer the conversation and point out areas that we could um explain different things

03:52:09.860 to different folks so no we don't take anything you know by what you said and i'm sure that you

03:52:14.500 know if we over answer or we start addressing worst case scenario things please know it's not

03:52:22.100 aimed at the person asking the question it's because it's something that we've heard or that

03:52:27.380 we know people out there are wondering because i think that you know we have all known

03:52:36.260 hot topic which is that might misunderstand some of these things and we hope to disambiguate that 0.85

03:52:44.740 that by by our comments um eavesdropping whore with a w horror uh i always am entertained

03:53:03.100 by that name uh what are your views on uh ausgard the home of the gods and the afa's 0.53

03:53:10.620 views on hyperborea as the origin of our folk uh svan what are your thoughts on those questions

03:53:18.140 um one part of me that always kind of nags at me is that the greeks that

03:53:25.620 that uh introduced the concept of hyperborea were referring to the mountains to the north of them

03:53:34.200 uh kind of eurasian uh i forgot the name of the mountains and that it was beyond those mountains

03:53:42.520 beyond the known world by the by the greeks um that kind of throws me into i don't know i just

03:53:53.200 because they we know that our ancestors were already moving up through there so i mean if

03:54:01.440 that's the case then yes beyond those mountains our people you know most certainly i think

03:54:10.560 descended or or or grew from there um but the other concept is going further back the idea of

03:54:20.080 um that there was this place in the north long before even recorded history perhaps

03:54:27.920 back to the fabled times of Atlantis or Lemuria and that there was Hyperborea. I don't know that

03:54:36.060 I find super fascinating, but I'm of the belief that at some point the movement southward to

03:54:44.200 the central Eurasian area where our language and our people kind of spread from there and down into

03:54:55.440 uh india and the middle east and over west europe um i think would have happened and

03:55:01.740 the only reason why i think about that is um the receding of of glacier ice and the movement of

03:55:11.620 people into um more traversable lands i don't know i find it extremely fascinating

03:55:21.040 but i i'm very inconclusive about it

03:55:27.040 so um i'm not really sure the question about asgard um yeah that's the home of the gods

03:55:41.780 that's what our lore talks about that's i i don't really understand the question there

03:55:46.480 But as far as the AFA's views on Hyperborea as the origin of our folk, I think it's important to, so you guys, one thing I want folks to know, and I talked to Svon about this yesterday, I think.

03:56:07.520 Um, it would be, all right. So I'm going to go on kind of a roundabout course here, but bear with me. One of the things that I see a lot in a lot of circles that we all kind of traverse in, in the internet space around us, a whole lot of people don't come from

03:56:37.520 from a religious background and again I'm not aiming this the person asking the question

03:56:43.400 but they theorize like what they think well you know all right cool we need to do all this

03:56:53.480 you know racial identity stuff well all right but if we're going to do that then you know

03:56:58.820 religion's good we should have religion so let's make one up to suit our needs and that's really

03:57:05.540 cynical, and I don't always think it comes from a bad place, but it's starting with the

03:57:13.720 fundamentals that you're making up religion and not that religion is an eternal truth

03:57:20.560 that's being expressed to you that you're learning and acquiring knowledge of.

03:57:25.180 So, it's really important to me that when we take a firm stand on something as Holy Writ, that we have significant reason to believe that it is a fact of our faith.

03:57:42.560 and I'm always very hesitant and I don't want to express something as if it is a fundamental to

03:57:52.340 house a true practice if it's not um yes I tend to believe that the homeland of our people is

03:58:02.120 hyperborea but I don't think that is a I don't think the geography of claiming that we have a

03:58:09.620 polar origin is a fundamental tenant of our faith um there's plenty of talk about where our folk

03:58:20.500 originated whether it was in the caucuses you know around the caspian sea uh in the

03:58:28.260 above the arctic circle i think there's a lot of things in deeper in our lore that imply

03:58:34.660 a far north origin to a lot of things and i i personally think there's a lot of truth to that

03:58:41.460 but if the more we understand archaeology and history and things we find out that's not the

03:58:46.820 case that doesn't you know affect my my belief in ausitru or it's not a fundamental you know

03:58:54.740 tenant of our existence but it is something that i tend to find a lot of truth in and that i think

03:59:01.220 certainly spiritually is fascinating and something that we like to hearken to.

03:59:09.560 But yeah, I do think there is truth to a northerly origin. I think a lot of it in a

03:59:16.860 less mystical and more matter-of-fact way does have to do with the progression of the Ice Age

03:59:23.440 and that situation. So I'll reference that a lot. I think that our folk and our faith

03:59:29.860 are pre-ice age and are expressed to us certainly from the ice age forward and i do tend to think

03:59:38.720 that i like a lot of points that are raised in arctic homeland in the bettas by bal tilak

03:59:47.700 it's a very tedious read but i think there's a lot of really good things in there that really

03:59:53.040 affected my thinking, I don't know, probably about, excuse me, 15 years ago or so.

04:00:07.740 Acharya G says, one for one reincarnation is real, and that when the soul moves on to the next body,

04:00:16.460 the psyche of that person remains imprinted within the material realm, which stays for a very long

04:00:22.420 time and is still connected to the soul. And that's what we are interacting with during

04:00:27.380 ancestral veneration. What are your thoughts on that perspective? I think Acharya G is mistaken.

04:00:36.060 I don't think that is the normal case. I don't preclude the possibility of that existing at

04:00:43.760 at a certain point or in a very select circumstance that's willed by the gods,

04:00:53.140 but I don't think that is the typical situation that we have with people.

04:01:02.100 And I don't think logic bears that out the way that he mentions it there.

04:01:08.620 There are points of similarity in Sanatana Dharma and Vedic belief and Ausatru, but there's also very significant deviations.

04:01:26.620 In the East, their faith developed these proto-Hindu threads that I think come out in a very big way in this particular instance.

04:01:42.820 And I don't think that that's, like I said, I think he's wrong.

04:01:49.540 That's one of the reasons that I'm also true and not Hindu.

04:01:52.100 um i don't believe that he's correct and i you know again i think that acharya g should

04:01:59.420 stop doing that and join the astro folk assembly i think he probably thinks that i should stop

04:02:05.380 doing this and i should join the uh international dharma society so i i don't fault him for that but

04:02:12.760 i do disagree do you have anything that you'd like to add on that yeah i think that one it's

04:02:19.700 fundamentally important that we understand the soul goes to another place there isn't a psychic

04:02:27.140 imprint it is the entirety of that which is that person that goes to the place that is far away

04:02:35.320 from the gods in the sense that it's far away from the the edicts of time and material and then

04:02:42.980 there is the returning there is a root there we have that in our symbology as a root

04:02:48.060 that can draw back up.

04:02:52.620 But the processes of whether the entirety is drawn back up

04:02:57.800 or whether pieces are drawn back up is up to debate.

04:03:03.020 But one of the other key points of our faith is that the one for oneness,

04:03:08.020 you know, our faith does not hold that you die

04:03:13.100 And then you come back as someone, you know, across the world of a different peoples.

04:03:22.100 A lot of our belief of the coming back comes through genealogical bloodline and the meta, the metagenetic of the people.

04:03:32.520 So it's not that you die and then transfer over completely to somewhere else and some other people.

04:03:39.440 No, you travel through your bloodlines and bloodlines can be expansive and very hard to completely map out.

04:03:50.820 But that and that certainly, I think, explains why there are these kind of leaps of cases in which people they believe that, you know, they're a great amount of them have come back.

04:04:02.680 but upon death remember the leak is lost the ek and the the uh memory go into the soul

04:04:14.200 they they collapse into the soul and the soul traverses on so upon returning through a bloodline

04:04:24.120 that there is the distinction of thought is brand new and the memories are

04:04:32.680 not there for most of the part. Again, some people have spoken about having incidences.

04:04:40.340 There's very interesting things of people saying they have memories of things and so on and so

04:04:44.820 forth. But the processes for the majority is that there isn't. Or again, the do that comes out of

04:04:52.900 Yggdrasil is also because again it draws up from the root is also new souls and that the gods can

04:05:03.000 impart upon the new soul gifts from the ancestors that are not necessarily the entirety or the

04:05:12.100 identity wholly and completely of the ancestral soul and that's very important and that's something

04:05:22.240 that we, as Ausatru, fundamentally believe that differentiates us from, you know, modern

04:05:32.280 Hinduism.

04:05:33.120 There's some logic things that don't bear out, too, that I just think are worth contemplating.

04:05:38.640 So, as the population of the world expands, are we constantly, you know, creating new souls while, you know, the previous generation's number of souls are reassigned to different people being born in the next generation?

04:06:03.920 If that's the case, one of the things that we know to be true is our ancestors interact with us.

04:06:14.800 So who on earth is doing that?

04:06:17.920 If I go to my altar and I make an offering to my mother who's passed and she engages in the gift cycle with me.

04:06:27.360 cool what you know what three-year-old out there is consciously engaging in the gift cycle with me

04:06:36.040 when I make an offering to my mom and if you think that sounds silly I agree I think that

04:06:43.840 sounds silly too that's why I don't believe that it just doesn't logically bear up

04:06:48.180 um you know who was who was Acharya G in the previous life who was I who was spawn

04:06:55.300 i don't know you know maybe we're all brand new this go around how many people do we extend that

04:07:03.760 to before it just doesn't the numbers don't match and then we're like if we're doing ancestor worship

04:07:10.960 why are we not trying to find the guy that is your grandma and go give offerings to that guy

04:07:20.080 because that makes a lot more sense but if we believe that our ancestors look on from beyond

04:07:26.460 the veil they can't be both beyond the veil and you know some guy that lives

04:07:32.740 across the world who's you know running a strip club that can't

04:07:39.060 be my grandma they're not the same person it just doesn't make sense

04:07:43.780 um but yeah the logic doesn't bear out truthfully to me in that occasion and yes there i believe

04:07:54.520 there are probably some some rare circumstances where there is a one-for-one situation um but i

04:08:02.320 think that is a specific exception that the gods will to occur in a very particular time and place

04:08:12.840 for a very particular purpose, I don't think that's the norm. And as I said, I think that if

04:08:19.680 you try to follow the logic of it, it's very hard to make sense of in a one for one way. And if it's

04:08:24.800 not one for one, then we can argue about what percentages of what, or, you know, which parts

04:08:31.280 can get passed on, which parts can't. And I'm, I'm open to a nuanced view of that. But I think

04:08:38.420 one for one doesn't bear out logically now i think anybody would agree hummingya is definitely passed

04:08:45.240 on um but i wanted something in the in the um in the chat here so uh i don't suck at life

04:08:56.820 said i asked google if ausa true is a dharmic religion no it's not considered a dharmic

04:09:03.160 religion but one thing that i mean that uh google is not telling you is where did the the majority

04:09:11.480 corpus of lore come into what is now hinduism and that comes from the aryans the indo-european

04:09:19.800 peoples and those same peoples are origin as to the aussage people so it won't go into that

04:09:27.800 and differentiate all that the problem also is the word dharmic dharmic does immediately associate

04:09:34.840 itself with jainism buddhism hinduism after the invasion of india but our faith has it as well

04:09:45.080 in or law and also too in divinity itself the vanner the vanir gods the vanir are the gods

04:09:53.880 of natural law, cyclic laws that we can't escape from, and that the Isir are the gods of cosmic

04:10:01.600 order. So we have those two that work in conjunction with each other, and only in their

04:10:07.820 alignment after a war does it become like a direct point to humanity. Yeah, AI is not there yet.

04:10:18.900 it's getting there it's doing a lot of stuff but ai certainly the ai that's publicly available

04:10:25.060 doesn't reason things out yet it compares the vast quantity of

04:10:32.340 stuff other people have said and it can regurgitate that based on percentages

04:10:40.260 but it doesn't work out the logic and compute the logic independently so sure the vast majority of

04:10:48.340 instances of the use of the term dharma don't apply to ausitru

04:10:55.160 but that's because of linguistics and because of you know whatever i've seen you know on twitter

04:11:01.920 some like grok expositions about ausitru that are ridiculous and not factually correct but if

04:11:10.320 you're parroting you know what does the preponderance of people who wrote papers

04:11:15.160 say it's it's not quite the same as working out the logic of principles and things i also choose

04:11:23.160 dharmic as in it follows a cosmic order of things and it's dharmic in the sense of

04:11:30.200 you know for the same reason that vedic religion is dharmic in that sense and quite frankly most

04:11:38.200 a lot of things are dharmic in the concept of dharma not you know that wouldn't necessarily

04:11:46.280 have that proper noun attached to them but conform with certainly the way dharma's been

04:11:52.920 explained explained to me and the way it's been expressed specifically by acharyaji

04:12:00.600 from an astro perspective should we as a society have things like the death penalty for certain

04:12:06.360 crimes swan would say i would say yes um the uh remember how we spoke about the three realms there

04:12:17.080 is the realm of the gods the realm of men and the realm of the ancestors one of the key factors there

04:12:23.240 is is um in a lot of our lore there is the spoken part that um the the fate that you weave upon

04:12:33.000 yourself the uh the meeting out of justice by men um you know there's there are really only two ways

04:12:45.480 you can go or let's say three ways but the third way is we can't do it we can't allow anyone to do

04:12:52.600 it so that kind of negates it what i'm talking about the other two ways are we allow for the

04:12:59.080 the reconciliation of blood through family, like blood feuds.

04:13:05.560 Again, we're talking about like Iceland during the late Nordic age.

04:13:09.360 But that is not going to happen.

04:13:12.200 That isn't the case anymore.

04:13:14.740 But what we do have now is that the law of the land, the state, the nation dictates that this person has done something so egregious

04:13:26.180 that this is the judgment that will, it evens things out.

04:13:35.560 So I do believe that the death penalty is not against Ausatru by any, you know, principle,

04:13:47.860 because, again, it's the dictate and the law of the land.

04:13:52.400 Now, can it be unjust?

04:13:54.020 Can it be twisted?

04:13:55.860 Yes. Just like back in the late Nordic period in the Viking age, sometimes people would, you know, blood feud for just simply to gain property.

04:14:10.120 So, yes, it can be maligned. It can be twisted just as much as in a society where, no, there is no death penalty, but we're going to, I don't know, either keep you imprisoned or slave labor you instead of you dying.

04:14:26.420 by you know what have you we go that deep it could be looked in any direction

04:14:31.940 but i think that the law of a land um that wants to not have blood feuds flowing all over in the

04:14:40.260 streets looks at the possibility uh and and again our society with a great sense of finality with

04:14:48.900 with the hesitation because of the lengthy due processes

04:14:54.540 on top of appealments and so on and so forth.

04:14:59.500 There is a great sense of wisdom in our society

04:15:03.640 that doesn't just push for the state says you should die, 0.96

04:15:08.100 so you're going to die.

04:15:11.280 And I think that that is clearly shown.

04:15:13.840 But the fact that people leave it to no sense of finality and justice is also wrong.

04:15:23.100 You can't, there is just no recompense for the trade-off of someone of your life being taken by someone else and they just get to live and be taken care of by the state.

04:15:38.300 i mean i know taking care of is a interesting way of saying that but you know again when you could

04:15:45.500 have the finality of ending and equaling out the the correct um measurement of of that weight that

04:15:57.660 um the death of one person is the equation of the loss of the other and again this happens

04:16:04.540 in the story that

04:16:07.000 Vowli is the lord

04:16:09.360 of swift

04:16:10.360 dharmic action

04:16:12.820 and he slays 0.66

04:16:15.120 Hod because Hod slays Balder 1.00

04:16:17.240 and it immediately 1.00

04:16:19.220 sets the balance

04:16:20.360 so

04:16:21.120 so

04:16:23.520 and this

04:16:26.440 again it's always

04:16:28.960 cooler for me to say yes absolutely

04:16:30.860 but the nuanced

04:16:32.960 answer is not always the fun one but it is the educational one and the one for us to think on

04:16:40.800 i will say definitively aussitrue is not anti-death penalty absolutely not

04:16:49.040 but the question of does aussitrue dictate that a society ought to do certain things there's a

04:16:56.400 spectrum there so what else the truth does dictate is that justice is about compensating for wrong

04:17:08.720 done in proportionate measure to the wrong that's done that should occur how best for that to occur

04:17:20.000 there's a variety of different ways society can answer that question and i think when we look

04:17:25.440 about it there's the idea of justice and there's also the idea of safety so why do societies

04:17:33.520 historically enact death penalty things sometimes it is to fulfill the demands of right and wrong

04:17:43.280 sometimes it is the practical concern of this person's existence

04:17:48.160 constitutes a continued danger and a continued harm to society therefore to keep everybody safe

04:17:57.440 this person can't be hearing and i think both of those are really valid reasons from an

04:18:04.000 outside true perspective to mete out the death penalty or some equivalency thereof one of the

04:18:13.120 things that's interesting um a lot of the time in the in the world of the sagas which is often

04:18:18.720 iceland but sometimes um norway and even sweden of that period or denmark um one of the things

04:18:28.400 was instead of the like okay so we see in germania the death penalty from a tribal thing there 0.96

04:18:34.880 frequently, like you see cool cowards and homosexuals are bog stomped, or thieves get 0.83

04:18:43.100 hung, you see a death penalty there often, whereas in the north you see outlawry, which 0.97

04:18:51.980 often was one in the same, but it was nuanced, it wasn't the state doing the killing, it

04:18:56.600 was the state withdrawing from you the protections of society, and other people can do with you

04:19:02.660 what they want, which, you know, typically was not a positive outcome for the wrongdoer.

04:19:12.560 So I think Ausatru says positively that we should seek justice in the form of compensation

04:19:23.020 for wrong done. However, that's achieved. I think there's probably a variety.

04:19:29.840 you see in the times of the of the blood feuds that's done through you know killing but it's

04:19:37.800 also done through uh monetary or goods compensation of an equivalent value or some kind of an agreed

04:19:44.880 upon price so i think there's ways to do that other than the death penalty but the death penalty

04:19:51.200 is one way of doing that but i think there's also a safety thing and i think we get here in terms of

04:19:57.240 people like child molesters or serial killers or people who whatever you think the justice is or

04:20:04.080 isn't they're very likely to continue to hurt society in a very bad way and I think it is

04:20:12.120 within keeping also true for a justice society to handle that threat I think protecting your own by

04:20:21.260 eliminating overt threats to the safety of of your community is certainly in keeping with

04:20:27.340 house true as well so i don't think i was true demands that society has a death penalty

04:20:33.500 but i think there is no sense that also true is opposed to a death penalty or precludes the death

04:20:41.420 penalty in any way so again i wish i could just give you these if it makes you feel better uh

04:20:49.260 matt's pro-death penalty um but i do want to be very careful and

04:20:55.740 nuanced when talking about specific ausitru imperatives

04:21:02.780 does the afa have a stance on animal sacrifice meaning is it something forbidden encouraged or

04:21:09.420 allowed as long as the animal is respected and uh it's done humanely um

04:21:15.660 um the Astro Folk simply does not have a stance on animal sacrifice the word itself conjures up all

04:21:24.660 kind of confusing and scary ideas that I think

04:21:35.220 it's very seldom talked about just because there's a lot of um a lot of room for misunderstanding

04:21:42.000 people to be very concerned i think you're the the caveat that you put in there is certainly the case

04:21:50.560 the afa does is opposed to mistreating and being inhumane in our treatment of life

04:22:00.080 whatever that life form might be you don't be sadistic and malicious

04:22:10.480 in your treatment of other living things that's ignoble um what i think is worth people noting is

04:22:20.880 that unless you are a vegetarian your food has to be killed in some way that's a fact of your

04:22:35.620 existence of my existence that occurs what characterizes other sacrifice versus

04:22:45.960 and this may apply to other things, but specifically verses like

04:22:53.460 Abrahamic sacrifices. This isn't, in an Ausatru sense, our ancestors sacrificed

04:23:04.740 and then fed their community on the sacrificial meal. It was part of a feast and part of the

04:23:12.080 community sharing the meat from the slaughtered animals together and that is fundamentally

04:23:19.840 you know a very reasonable thing to do that isn't shocking or out of keeping with any

04:23:29.280 carnivorous you know omnivorous people such as the vast majority of us i think people get a

04:23:38.240 really strange idea in their head when they think about animal sacrifice. And I think certainly an

04:23:44.240 AFA stance is abide by the laws of the community that you're in. Absolutely. And the animal should

04:23:54.680 be dispatched as humanely as possible without suffering and fear and mistreatment. And I'd

04:24:01.560 also like to say, as kind of a point on that, in, some of you may be aware that Svan and myself

04:24:11.920 and many others within the AFA, specifically, excuse me, specifically amongst our Gothar,

04:24:18.340 have been trying to get better at our linguistics and our study of Old Norse to better understand

04:24:25.940 the language of our our ancestors and the language of our lore um i always thought that the word

04:24:35.060 bloat originated from blood is in the blood of the sacrifices the more that i looked into that

04:24:42.500 in doing that the accent mark over the o makes a really big difference it doesn't go back to the

04:24:50.340 same root they're different words whether it's got the accent martyr of mark over the o or not

04:24:57.540 they go to different roots and the idea of bloat in its most fundamental etymological sense was

04:25:05.620 pouring out so it was much more the idea of a libation or a drink offering like we tend to do

04:25:13.620 most often with mead than the blood of sacrifice now obviously our ancestors did participate in

04:25:20.660 animal sacrifice i'm not suggesting otherwise it was just a really interesting difference

04:25:27.060 when looking it up is the origin of those root words and how they developed

04:25:34.180 yeah the the liquid of the animal the blood um i think that's where it came in the pouring out of

04:25:42.100 sacred libational whether it was mead or sacred water or milk i think was probably once used

04:25:50.820 in a greater degree than now we could realize because it's been lost to time

04:25:56.100 but when the animal is slain it is the blood that's collected and utilized in the transference

04:26:03.860 the meat was cooked and eaten and shared by all the folk so there isn't this sense of like you

04:26:10.580 kill the animal and then you you burn the animal on a pyre or something like that no it was very

04:26:17.300 specifically that that blood and i think because the blood's a liquid and its original purpose is

04:26:23.460 that uh transference through um libation and um that that naturally occurred but you know after

04:26:32.980 you had pointed it out and then i went and looked and i was like wow because i too thought it was

04:26:38.020 blood i think that's that convergence is connected more again to the blood but

04:26:45.540 need milk sacred water from sacred springs so on and so forth would be used

04:26:57.380 ah all right and then the last question of the night

04:27:03.540 well

04:27:08.020 Okay. I think we've covered a lot of this, but we may have something more to say on it.

04:27:13.520 I believe that Dharma, aka natural law, is universal, but the different cultural expressions of Dharma are not universal.

04:27:22.340 I believe Ausatru is the European ethnic expression of Dharma and does not conflict with another race's expression of Dharma.

04:27:31.440 This view helps me reconcile my Ausatru religion with other Dharmic religions.

04:27:36.840 the only religions that i think are truly anti-natural law in my view are the abrahamic

04:27:42.840 religions does this view contradict with the afa in any way do you have thoughts one oh uh yeah no

04:27:57.880 i i don't think it it contradicts we do talk often about how the expression of the divine

04:28:07.160 from a people christianity proclaims itself to be universal but when you have christianity in

04:28:13.800 korea you got korean jesus when you have christianity in japan it's japanese jesus

04:28:19.240 so it's really swollen yes it does have the abs on top of abs um but again

04:28:27.880 that's their expression of divine might and it's you not unique in its process but it's unique to

04:28:34.920 them um so we know that universal religions become uh very culturally and ethnically focused

04:28:45.880 so also true is that germanic expression uh towards the divine and every peoples has

04:28:55.560 their right to have that and we exclude ourselves from in uh from attempting to pretend to be them

04:29:06.760 instead we say no we're not we're going to exclude ourselves from ever trying to pretend to

04:29:12.200 understand the generational re uh you know reincarnating of meta genetics through lines

04:29:19.160 and lines and lines of these people perhaps that they have made this long trek to their understanding

04:29:24.200 the divine our ancestors had it and then it was again politically severed so we are making that

04:29:33.000 return back but yes and again to find it in the precepts of our faith is not so easy it's not as

04:29:40.920 written down say perhaps as in in hinduism or jainism or buddhism or even in the sikh religions

04:29:48.600 or religion or what have you but we do have that natural law and it's spoken in our our stories

04:29:55.880 so much so that we have two holy gods dedicated to two different forms of the attainment of correct

04:30:06.600 action and the attainment of cosmic order and natural law so um yeah i i i think you're correct

04:30:17.160 in that summation but we do need to look at it not just for dharma but for all of the uh the whole

04:30:26.200 the totality of it we can't just pick the one precept and that's where i think it becomes

04:30:31.720 important is that it's we should be teaching our folk that they need to they can look they can

04:30:39.160 inspect they can share respect for but they cannot be of they should be of us not of them

04:30:47.960 and if we have similarities that that builds and bolsters unilateral respect with those people

04:30:54.600 but we are not them and um i think that that is very important i've seen that a lot

04:31:01.480 my first rune the art my rune master the room teacher that i studied under um was a a folk man

04:31:09.400 who practiced um hinduism and that was ultimately the one of the largest parts of falling out with

04:31:16.280 him was that he was holy being of another people and and not uh the re culturing and re uh building

04:31:29.960 of our way so that's a it's a balance that we have to keep i certainly by no means am i am i

04:31:39.480 saying that we we can't enjoy respect read learn and understand but then to go back and look at

04:31:45.960 where it is in our faith and then you will find it you'll find it is more important than to say

04:31:54.120 the precept is here i really like it so now i'm going to i don't know uh go to these temples and

04:32:02.360 and wear ash and do these things that you know aren't necessarily in our spiritual expression

04:32:12.920 so

04:32:13.160 i agree with your statement the thing that i disagree with it is there's the asterix of

04:32:28.120 because we say natural law and i wonder what that means in these contexts because

04:32:32.200 when we talked about dharmic religion they include buddhism and i hind it's hard to address hinduism

04:32:41.960 because there are so many variants under that umbrella that i don't think i can speak

04:32:49.160 unilaterally to all of hinduism what i would say is being life rejecting is anti-dharma

04:33:01.240 if your point in buddhism or in many sects of hinduism that i'm aware of

04:33:07.960 is that life is terrible and you are trying to transcend life so you can escape life to get to

04:33:15.720 nothingness that is not dharmic in my understanding of what the word dharma means if you are life

04:33:23.640 rejecting i think that is fundamentally different and i don't think there's any relationship with

04:33:30.840 that to where that's acceptable or not um and in my understanding dharma that is not dharmic but if

04:33:40.360 if your point is life is bad and we need to reject the world in existence and sit under the tree

04:33:48.760 trying to escape it for eternity then no i don't find that in keeping with natural law and i don't

04:33:56.840 i don't respect that i mean do what you're going to do that's up to you but i don't

04:34:03.760 find that to be good or noble you engage with the world you try to make the world a better place

04:34:09.300 you work works of heroism in the world but one of the very fundamentals to house the true

04:34:16.460 the world is good life is good and we're trying to um live it well and live nobly within it as

04:34:26.420 opposed to reject life as being something, either an illusion or something that is bad.

04:34:33.540 Life is real and it is good.

04:34:37.200 And that might be a fundamental in some of the things that Google says are dharmic.

04:34:47.440 So that is what I've got for this evening.

04:34:50.320 I appreciate you guys being with us tonight.

04:34:52.480 I don't know if we've got one or two more shows to finish out this saga, but it's been really good.

04:35:01.860 I think it's spurred on a lot of really good discussion, and I think that this story is fundamental to, I guess, Western storytelling in Western civilization.

04:35:15.200 I think it's really important, so I'm glad that we're covering it together.

04:35:19.660 I've enjoyed spending time with you guys this evening.

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04:35:38.040 Next week, we're going to talk about marriage and relationships.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - May 22, 2025

5⧸21⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 150 - Völsunga Saga, Part V

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