Asatru Folk Assembly - 5⧸24⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 46 - Else Christensen

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00:03:00.000 hello and welcome again to another exciting edition of victory never sleeps

00:03:16.880 uh it this last week has gone by quick it's hard to believe it's been a week since i've talked to

00:03:22.480 you guys um it's gonna be an exciting show tonight we've already got a packed chat room and

00:03:30.000 this is going to be an interesting episode because of our uh of our heroes i think

00:03:39.600 this one is the one that we're going to have the most

00:03:44.000 the most current and the closest to our time as far as information and stories and i'm not sure

00:03:55.340 Sarah's situation, but I never got to meet the folk mother. But I know people who have. So at

00:04:01.740 least we're a step closer than a lot of our heroes that are further back or that are poorly

00:04:06.540 documented. So I think this will be an interesting show tonight. It's a very timely show because I'm

00:04:13.640 flying out of here tomorrow. And this weekend is the third annual Elsie Fest in Wisconsin,

00:04:18.920 which our guest tonight, Sarah and her husband, James, are hosting. And they've hosted

00:04:23.400 the previous two years as well. It's a fantastic event. I will say this, I've been to lots and

00:04:30.520 lots of these events. And this is one of the only ones we're doing lately that doesn't happen to be

00:04:36.360 at one of our Hoffs. But used to be doing events at a camp or at another facility was kind of our

00:04:43.180 standard thing for all the events we did. And yeah, I think the alts run a much tighter and

00:04:51.200 top-notch event compared to any of the other ones I've ever been to. It really works out well. They

00:04:56.220 both do a great job. They're friends. They have helping them do a great job. And I am excited

00:05:00.160 about the fish boil. At any of these events, I've got to eat last. I've always got to be the last

00:05:05.840 guy in line. So I'm very hopeful that I'm going to get some fish boil. And anybody who happens

00:05:12.520 to be in front of me, please keep that in mind. So yeah, I'm looking forward to that. That's this

00:05:18.420 weekend. Um, if anybody wants to be there, if anybody's in Wisconsin, if anybody can get to

00:05:24.500 Wisconsin, let's make that happen. Reach out to your folk builder to get vetted. And, uh, I would

00:05:30.560 love to see you guys there. Um, thinking of any other things we have at the top of the show. Uh,

00:05:36.240 once again, this is being broadcast live on Odyssey, VK, YouTube, uh, Twitter and over on

00:05:46.760 entropy and if you guys want to get your questions to the front of the line we already got questions

00:05:52.280 stacking up so if you want to do the super chat and get your questions up front come over to entropy

00:05:57.320 and and donate and we can do that if you guys just want to donate and help us out

00:06:02.120 we appreciate any of any and all of y'all's generosity on that um

00:06:10.920 yeah i think that's where we're at i think it's also worth noting that next month and nick will

00:06:16.040 throw up the link and the exact dates for it but middle and next month at odenshoff we're going to

00:06:21.320 be celebrating midsummer that is the oldest of our national events that is the the district event for

00:06:29.640 odenshoff district it is typically and always has been our biggest event winter nights came

00:06:35.880 really really close last year it was within 10 of uh of midsummer at odenshoff which it was a

00:06:42.440 record-breaking midsummer at odenshoff last year but usually one of our biggest it's great we'd

00:06:48.120 love to have you guys come out to odenshoff so anybody who can do that it's in brownsville

00:06:52.280 california you got time so um let your folk builders know about that and also i don't think

00:06:59.720 it's too too far out to give you guys a heads up in july we'll be celebrating the first annual

00:07:07.880 sigger bloat at siggerheim now it's going to be kind of rustic it's a it's a long-term project

00:07:13.480 we don't have a lot of our infrastructure built there yet but it's an amazing place it's very

00:07:17.400 special to us and we're going to be having folks out there and that's going to be in july so if

00:07:23.240 you guys can do that or want to do that also please reach out to your local folk builder

00:07:27.880 they'll get you all taken care of without further ado and we're gonna we're gonna pause for a second

00:07:35.480 on the main subject because this is a folk builder sarah alt's first time joining us on the program

00:07:42.840 sarah can you introduce yourself to folks and tell them a little bit about who you are what

00:07:47.880 you do for the afa and if you could also tell them a little bit about how you came to aussitru and

00:07:52.920 how you came to the astro focus simply please um so my name is sarah alt um i am a folk builder in

00:07:59.640 wisconsin um i joined the afa about four maybe five years ago now my husband had already been

00:08:11.240 a member and he was very happy with he was making these trips up to minnesota to hang out with the

00:08:19.400 northern blood kindred and folk builder jason gallagher and he would just come home so happy

00:08:24.440 about this and um a lot of the other things that him and i had been involved in in the past with

00:08:30.520 like the the white national movement he wasn't always happy about that and it was just very nice

00:08:37.400 to see him happy and i went up to minnesota um for one of the events at jason gallagher's house

00:08:45.800 this was before Baldur's Health existed. And I was welcomed with open arms. Jessica Hansen

00:08:56.120 and Githya Anna Clord were amazing and welcoming to me. And they made sure that

00:09:04.440 that I understood that I was welcome there and that as a woman I was accepted. And that's,

00:09:09.560 you don't get a lot of that in the white national movement because that is a very

00:09:13.160 manly thing, and women are a rarity in that. So it was nice to have that environment and to have

00:09:20.900 families. There were a lot of kids, and it was very welcoming. I had also seen a lot of pictures

00:09:27.660 from Odenshoff with Mark McLeod and his family, and to see generations in the AFA, to see the

00:09:36.200 bloats that were taking part to the old gods, this was something that I really wanted to get involved

00:09:41.400 in so i joined and then um my husband became at that time something called there was something

00:09:50.360 called an event coordinator which was a step before apprentice folk builder

00:09:56.280 so he was doing moots in the state and he wasn't getting he would get the same handful of men

00:10:03.800 that that weren't really interested in joining the afa they just wanted to sit around and drink

00:10:08.200 is i want the family i want that aspect of it

00:10:15.400 and um so he asked me you know what do you think we can do and i was like well let's

00:10:22.360 make it family oriented take it out of the bars take it out of that kind of environment and put

00:10:27.960 it in parks things that people would want to bring their children to and let's go from there

00:10:33.960 so he had his first very successful in a park we fed everybody we just said come we have a lot of

00:10:43.320 food fed everyone and we had so many people join out of that and it just took off in wisconsin at

00:10:49.960 that point and at some point after he became an oath folk builder after we did the first elsie

00:11:00.840 Fest, I contacted Matt, and I was like, I have some questions about folk building. And I would

00:11:08.400 just like to know. And so he sent me a list of things that folk builders at that time were

00:11:15.700 required to do. And I took about almost eight months to think about it, because I take commitments

00:11:23.300 very seriously. And at one point, I was just like, yes, this is the time. So about eight months after

00:11:31.820 that, I became an apprentice. I was oath at this last fall fest up at Baldershoff, and it was an

00:11:39.320 amazing emotional experience. I love the AFA. I love the things that are going on in the AFA.

00:11:46.700 um if you get me started on subjects like the ossature academy i can talk for hours because

00:11:55.720 it is amazing what just one program like that did for the growth of the afa for the growth of

00:12:02.620 families for retaining families and teaching our next generation and i'm so proud of what

00:12:08.760 gothy stam and the rest of the staff have created in that academy so that's one of the things i'm

00:12:15.640 involved with and then recently i joined up with githya sheila mcnallan to who had noticed that

00:12:23.960 the older people in the afa those like over the age of 50 she wanted them to become more

00:12:31.000 bonded and more realized that they were part of the afa so so she asked me to help her with that so

00:12:40.920 we have that going on we have a group on me we she sends out emails to keep up with everyone

00:12:47.320 and we do a meeting every friday and it is so interesting listening to these people who have

00:12:53.640 been one members of the afa from the beginning talk about the way it has grown their lives what

00:13:01.240 they remember also true was years and years ago and i've just learned so much from these people

00:13:07.160 and that has been very enjoyable. I'm part of the Ruinstone staff, so if you get those every month,

00:13:14.920 you should really open them and read them because they are filled with so much information about the

00:13:19.560 AFA. It is so interesting to be able to put these in every month, so I get to read them from all

00:13:26.120 four districts. There is so much going on on a weekly basis in the AFA that most people

00:13:32.840 don't even realize there's really very little excuse not to get out among your folk um let's

00:13:40.920 see what else do i do uh i help uh folk builder nick rice with the uh balder soft website which

00:13:50.280 you should check out because it's really awesome looking and has a ton of information um not only

00:13:56.120 on Baldershof, but on the folk mother, because there is a memorial for her and altar to her at

00:14:04.180 Baldershof. I do a book study three times a month with Witten Brandy Callahan. Right now we are

00:14:13.480 working on Beowulf, and I encourage all, it's just for ladies, and I encourage all women to either

00:14:21.700 listen to the recordings or come to that there is she shares such a wealth of information the

00:14:27.380 last book study i did with her on deep ancestors went on for a year and a half because there's so

00:14:33.460 many rabbit holes she goes down and you learn so much from her uh and on tuesday nights i do

00:14:42.580 a lore study with melissa mills and that has been an incredible experience gothy

00:14:49.540 jason plored is such a wealth of information in that you can come you can ask questions

00:14:57.480 we read the lore together and at the end of the month melissa runs a trivia contest where

00:15:02.960 we go over everything we've studied and you have a chance to win prizes and it

00:15:07.060 really has helped each of us learn so much and i'm sure i'm forgetting something

00:15:17.140 but i guess that's a lot and i keep busy i i do

00:15:26.380 well so and and i'm sure you are forgetting stuff but i think that illustrates that you do

00:15:35.300 a lot for us and uh you you always have such an amazing attitude about it i think everybody on

00:15:42.680 you can just hear in your voice, the attitude you bring to it. And I think that's a really

00:15:47.760 beautiful thing. I remember it was really emotional. Oh, thing you all in and there was a number of

00:15:54.320 people, but you specifically gave me one of the best hugs after that. And I just, it was really

00:16:00.600 cool. And it's great having you on the team. Thank you. So without further ado, assuming that

00:16:09.740 our audience has never heard anything about her before can you tell us what do we need and we'll

00:16:15.820 have more questions and stuff to dig deeper later but what should folks know about elsie christensen

00:16:23.660 um she is definitely an amazing lady so i'm just going to go over some of the basics and then

00:16:28.780 later on we can dive deeper into um why she is truly the folk mother of ossature

00:16:34.460 Okay, so she was born in Denmark in 1913, and she was originalized as a Lutheran as a child, but she never felt that connection to Christianity.

00:16:48.400 And she even went as far as petitioning the government to declare her a non-Christian.

00:16:54.820 She married Alex Christensen in 1937.

00:16:58.440 1937. He was a woodworker by trade and she worked as a hand weaver until she injured her back and

00:17:06.600 then she moved on to teaching children and adults with dyslexia. Alex had introduced her to a

00:17:14.360 political concept which is centered on the idea that power corrupts and any elite ruler that

00:17:21.860 cannot be ethically justified must be dismantled. This caused her to join the Strasserlite National

00:17:29.760 Bolshevik faction of the Danish National Socialist Party. Now, she was not a communist. A lot of

00:17:38.920 people see the word Bolshevik attached to her, and she wasn't. She just believed the idea that

00:17:47.040 foreign capitalism being involved in government was a disservice to the people.

00:17:57.060 So she basically agreed with all the ideas of National Socialism except economics and

00:18:02.680 governing. For the most part, during the German occupation, they lived very well due to Alex's

00:18:09.620 were woodworking. Since few had his talents, his services were in high demand by the wealthy. With

00:18:18.080 the cash coming in, they could buy whatever they wanted on the black market, including guns and

00:18:22.840 ammo. However, because of their allegiance to the Strasselite faction, that caused them to be under

00:18:29.020 heavy scrutiny, which is why they had several visits by the German police. Since citizens

00:18:35.720 owning weapons was outlawed this included a visit due to a tip that they had pistols pistols in

00:18:42.120 their possession she cooperated with them because she knew it was easier and they wouldn't search

00:18:48.200 the house she handed over the pistols they had asked for because if they would have searched the

00:18:53.960 house they would have found all the other weapons she had including a belt-filled machine gun

00:18:59.560 near the end of the war elsie and her husband were called in for questioning due to their

00:19:04.040 political beliefs she was held for less than 10 hours and alex was sent to a cancer concentration

00:19:10.520 camp for six months the germans had zero tolerance for any communistic ideas including those in the

00:19:17.160 stress light fraction of the danish national socialist party national socialism was all

00:19:22.760 encompassing and had no room for bolshevik ideas on governing after the war they bought

00:19:29.240 a large sailboat which they had intended to sail to canada but the weather had not permitted and

00:19:38.360 they ended up migrating to canada in 1951 they were living in toronto she worked as a waitress

00:19:45.080 and struggled to learn the language eventually she worked as an x-ray technician and assistant

00:19:50.600 to the head of a hospital until she retired elsie recalled being introduced to the writings of

00:19:56.920 Australian Odinist Alexander Rud Mills. She started writing Alexander Rud Mills until his passing

00:20:04.280 and continued to correspond with his wife Evelyn Price until her passing. Elsie was heavily

00:20:11.560 influenced by ideas his ideas about reviving the worship of the ancient Norse deities. In 1968,

00:20:20.600 Elsie and her husband started the Odinist study group with meetings in their home. A year later

00:20:26.120 they would form the Odinus Foundation and move to Crystal River, Florida. She began touring North

00:20:32.200 America to promote Odinism. Then in 1970, the Odinus Foundation was born. She started reaching

00:20:39.240 out to three prisons in Florida. She recalled that the study groups were small, and she was

00:20:48.200 the first to have Odinism recognized by any prison system. While working in the prison,

00:20:53.560 she never had any misconceptions about her purpose there. She recognized that most prisoners

00:20:59.460 were rotten apples, but she held on to the fact that a small handful would come out and do great

00:21:04.640 things. She said of her prison work, no packed rooms in the prison. In each institution, I only

00:21:11.860 have a few people, occasionally about a dozen, but five to six is more common. I certainly do not want

00:21:18.440 the fellowship to be a club for cons or ex-cons. The advantage for a person is that when in prison,

00:21:25.960 the inmates have time to discuss and digest what they read, a point that is often lost to people

00:21:31.920 on the outside in the hubbub of daily concerns. In 1971, Alex passed away, and it is the same

00:21:41.700 year the first publication of The Odinist was released. This publication took off like

00:21:49.080 wildflower, especially in the prison system. She continued building Odinism and published

00:21:56.200 The Odinist up until her death on May 4, 2005. On Odinism, she said, to understand my approach

00:22:05.540 to Odinism, one simply has to realize that only when one knows all the aspects of an

00:22:10.940 ideology can one choose wisely. If you only know half of it, you're out of balance.

00:22:18.620 She also wrote, Odinism to the consternation of many people. Odinist, as well as non-Odinist,

00:22:26.380 is not dogmatic. We will have to agree upon and tolerate several main interpretations of

00:22:33.180 Aussitou Odinism. Eventually, I believe it will all come together. Although I, at present, do not

00:22:40.380 deal with rituals and ruin more i'm certainly aware of both and agree that they are part of

00:22:45.500 our ancient religion i'm simply not able to deal with them so i leave them be until somebody appears

00:22:52.220 who can do so in any way i can accept as the closest to the real thing when my instincts tell

00:22:59.180 me they are lc christian was bestowed with the title folk mother due to her devotion to rebirthing

00:23:07.340 ostrich after picking up the torch from Alexander Rudmills. Most of those who have since come to the

00:23:14.000 reawakening probably would not have done so had it not been for her. Her dedication to bringing

00:23:19.680 people back to their ancestor roots, especially those in prison, is something that should inspire

00:23:25.280 us all. One of my favorite quotes from Elsie is from 1992. We're all more and less caught up in

00:23:35.220 speed of modern society we have just witnessed the olympics where a fraction of a second

00:23:41.940 makes the difference between a win or a loss but in life you're not in competition with anyone but

00:23:47.780 yourself you're not out to win medals you're here as a member of your folk and your efforts are not

00:23:53.860 counted in seconds in competition with other people but rather in the quiet continuous influence

00:24:00.900 you have on the overall future in the life of our folk. The Ossetree Folk Assembly

00:24:08.020 holds a day of remembrance for the folk builder on the 9th of May,

00:24:12.180 and there is a memorial altar dedicated to her at Baldershof, the third half of the AFA.

00:24:20.500 Well, thank you for that. That's already more than we've got on our other heroes that we celebrate.

00:24:28.420 a couple of points that i that i want to point out on that um

00:24:36.420 first uh i guess going last to last to first or whatever her comment about her lack of doing uh

00:24:44.340 rune work ritual work i came across a letter of correspondence between her and uh steve mcnalen

00:24:54.260 early on and that was one of the really interesting points in there because she fully acknowledged

00:25:00.580 that um she wasn't doing a lot of of ritual and and more esoteric work and that steve was

00:25:10.420 and so that was one of their their points of of interaction over the years was you know she

00:25:17.300 acknowledged that steve was filling the religious function that that she you know just wasn't equipped

00:25:23.940 to do at that time and so that that was some of the early connections between her

00:25:29.700 and what would become the austral folk assembly and i think this letter is from the 1980s

00:25:36.420 um also something interesting to know and i know it the crucible of political ideologies

00:25:48.340 in the 1920s 30s and in 1940s is really hard to unravel because especially you know even within

00:25:59.380 the more right-wing political circles of europe there was a big spectrum of

00:26:10.260 political ideologies both economically and ruling and other things and something else that i want

00:26:15.940 people to know is the significance of elsie is in her contribution to our faith you'll notice

00:26:24.340 that you know i i don't think that i i would agree with a lot of her her political ideology

00:26:30.100 when it came to when it came to elitism or when it came to authority or when it came to different

00:26:36.660 things but what was so special is she was one of the most you know one of those very early people

00:26:42.820 that went out and did this, or the proto version of this, when nobody else around her was.

00:26:54.120 The efforts that she started in her prison ministry

00:26:57.920 blossomed to where I went to do prison ministry at a high desert penitentiary up in up around

00:27:09.660 susanville california one there was one guy that wasn't i didn't know whether he was in bad graces

00:27:16.460 or whatnot but on the two yards that i did uh did the prison ministry on 100 of the white prisoners

00:27:23.580 there came to practice house of truth so you know when when her things were poorly attended

00:27:31.900 that grew exponentially for us over the decades

00:27:35.740 um i'm checking because i'm getting a little bit of an echo

00:27:43.260 but we've got some questions stacking up and i'll say this it's really great to have

00:27:53.580 to have people as closely connected and as devoted to this particular hero um

00:28:01.180 oftentimes our heroes are not appropriately celebrated and get forgotten. And it is really

00:28:09.800 nice. And we'll see that throughout the questions, throughout the discussion,

00:28:12.920 already see that stacking up, but just how much you, you do to preserve the memory of the folk

00:28:22.160 mother and to celebrate and to honor her. It's really beautiful. And I want to see that for,

00:28:27.020 for all of our heroes and it's really cool that you do that and really quick one thing

00:28:33.740 you reminded me of as you were talking is if you read the issues of the odinist the the older ones

00:28:40.540 you have to remember that at that time that is what she knew but her as all of us as we grow

00:28:48.300 in knowledge she over the years there were some things about her that that changed and

00:28:53.180 her feelings on different things. Now, I'm often asked if I think that Elsie would be a member of

00:28:59.520 the AFA today. And I can't answer that, obviously, because she's no longer with us. And it's a

00:29:07.080 different AFA today than it was when she was alive. I do know she never joined under Stevie

00:29:14.520 McNallan. She did send people who were interested in rituals and learning that kind of thing that

00:29:20.140 he was doing. She sent people to him because she admired and respected him. But obviously,

00:29:26.420 I don't know. I'd like to think she would. So I would absolutely love to conquer the entire

00:29:33.700 world of Alcetru and have them all under the trihorns because I believe it's the right thing

00:29:37.980 to do and the right way to go. Do I think Elsie would have necessarily joined the AFA? I don't

00:29:44.060 know, because minds can change. Do I think if magically we brought back Elsie from the day she

00:29:50.720 died to see if she would join? Probably not. But I would still love to invite her to everything we

00:29:55.720 did. And I would be so honored if she came to it. And hopefully we'd have the discussions and she

00:30:02.620 would. But I can't I can't put that on her or her memory and I wouldn't try to. But there are a lot

00:30:10.920 people that were at different levels of their spiritual development that laid the foundation

00:30:17.080 for us and i think it's really important to look at especially um our heroes from the the 19th and

00:30:25.320 the 20th century that came before us because our our ausitru has evolved quite a bit and it's and

00:30:35.640 it should and i hope very much that they will be proud of what we've done um again i can't put that

00:30:44.360 on them and i'm not going to go back in time and put words in people's mouths that's not right

00:30:49.000 but i hope that they'd be proud of it and it's important for us to look back and appreciate

00:30:56.520 the steps that they made instead of criticize things that we think with you know 100 years

00:31:02.200 hindsight we would have could have should have done differently um because whatever you know

00:31:08.760 the steps that they took were what allowed us to to be where we are today and that's extremely

00:31:14.520 valuable and hindsight is always 20 20 and things look real different when uh when it's in the here

00:31:20.920 and now and not armchair quarterbacking the past our first question of the night from uh gofie

00:31:30.040 trent east question for both sarah and y'all's here you go which god or goddess do you feel

00:31:37.000 closest to and why sarah which god or goddess do you feel closest to and why uh frega um

00:31:45.880 i i totally skipped over how i came to ossature but um i had a deep connection with the celtic

00:31:55.000 goddess, Bridget, before coming to Asatru. And with the mother aspect that I saw in her

00:32:04.160 is the same thing that I see in Frigga. And with the story of Frigga and her son, Balder,

00:32:12.340 with me, it resonates that you try to protect your child from everything possible in the world,

00:32:19.040 but in the end you cannot change that you cannot protect them from where their destiny is taking

00:32:25.920 them and that is why i relate to her so i honestly feel feel inappropriate answering the question

00:32:39.920 because i i don't want to i don't want to be disrespectful and i don't want to leave anyone

00:32:44.880 out it's like who's your favorite parent you don't really want to necessarily answer that

00:32:48.400 question out loud. Different times and different seasons in my life, it's different. There's a

00:33:00.240 number of gods that I've made bonds with that I feel very, very close to in that way. And there's

00:33:06.800 others that I really look forward to. Starting out, I think the God that I related to the most

00:33:16.060 starting out and was most a part of my uh becoming involved in also true was also for um for again i

00:33:27.820 was a i was a young guy and and the idea of the strength and the power and you know fighting

00:33:35.420 giants and you know all of those things about thor were very appealing to me still are um

00:33:42.140 And that was that meant a lot, the idea of him protecting the gods and protecting the folk at that time.

00:33:52.520 You know, that was. Well, I guess not at that time, but a number of years later, you know, I spent a lot of time being a bouncer and being involved in security work and things like that.

00:34:05.540 And I think that, you know, that was very relatable to me.

00:34:12.140 So as time went on and I got more and more involved in the AFA, more involved in leadership

00:34:21.020 of the AFA, because I've been, time sneaks up on you.

00:34:25.180 I'm coming up on seven years now that I've been the Elseria Gothi, but long before that

00:34:30.100 I was, you know, I was a, I was a Gothi before that I was a folk builder.

00:34:34.560 I was the folk builder coordinator for a time.

00:34:37.480 and i was really fortunate for a long time to have a lot of interactions with steve mcnalen

00:34:44.440 early on and with with others that were leading the afa at that time and during that time i i

00:34:52.200 came a lot closer to to the all-father odin and very very strongly connected to uh to odin and

00:35:02.680 And that's been amazing to me.

00:35:09.200 What's helped a lot to facilitate really strong connection between me and Balder and Thor and Njorther has been our establishing these Hoffs.

00:35:24.560 one of my great honors as the alzharrier gofi is that i've been involved in making these hoffs

00:35:32.680 happen and that i've been able to officiate the dedication of these hoffs and dedicating a temple

00:35:39.400 to one of our gods is a is a real big deal to me and i think has helped us build a much you know

00:35:47.940 as a as a whole as our afa family has helped us build a closer relationship with these gods but

00:35:52.920 certainly has helped me personally um and lately i've been very much i don't know building a closer

00:36:02.520 relationship with tier because i'm going to be moving to sigerheim with all the work on sigerheim

00:36:08.600 that's where tears hoff will end up being and so i've spent a lot of time in prayer and meditation

00:36:14.760 and devotion work to tear to have his his help in guiding that um our next question matt can you

00:36:23.480 explain a little bit about the story behind the thumbnail for tonight's episode yeah ideally i

00:36:29.080 want to use a picture of me and the person that i'm doing the episode with but the only pictures

00:36:34.600 of me and sarah together and we should fix that at uh at elsie fest the only pictures i have just

00:36:40.200 of me and sarah are with a big group of people and they didn't work well for just me and sarah

00:36:45.480 you'll notice the other ones that i have of me and my guest it's like just us so if i don't have

00:36:50.920 the perfect one i want then i go ridiculous and i try to find either something about the time period

00:36:56.440 or a wrestling tag team or something ridiculous because the height of lc's work was in the 1980s

00:37:05.080 i hearken back to uh hunter which was an awesome show for any of you guys that don't know you kids

00:37:10.840 may never not have heard of hunter but it was a real good show and the thing was hunter who was

00:37:16.600 me in the picture he had this female partner and it was strange i didn't understand it as a kid i

00:37:21.560 was trying to figure it out but she had these painted on eyebrows anyways i digress so it was

00:37:26.760 a it was a guy and his female partner and they're you know it was a cop show and it was cool from the

00:37:31.640 1980s which was the appropriate period so that's that's that's as deep as that goes um

00:37:42.360 king of cheese matt sarah it's great to see both

00:37:45.560 how are we doing tonight i appreciate you asking tony uh sarah how you doing tonight

00:37:53.480 been a pretty good night so far i i was a little nervous i'm getting better and um it's been a

00:38:00.200 good day and i'm thankful to be here tony i'm doing fantastic i tell you every week but i look

00:38:06.760 forward to these they're awesome and i'm really excited because tomorrow i am flying out to elsie

00:38:11.560 fest and i'm looking forward to that um but i should have read this one earlier but it popped

00:38:17.880 on and i didn't get it in time but with a five dollar donation thank you very much michael we

00:38:22.920 appreciate it hail matt hill sarah hail the gods and hail the folk uh thank you both for your

00:38:30.040 valuable work on behalf of the folk and faith we appreciate that michael thank you very much

00:38:35.480 and thank you for your donation uh and thanks everybody who's in the chat um this is a

00:38:44.520 so much of this is uh audience driven as far as the questions and answers and we have been

00:38:50.680 really fortunate to have great people on here every week and we've got a full chat room tonight

00:38:55.080 so i'm excited about that you guys you guys bring the content with your great questions

00:39:01.320 ah tyler asks sarah can you speak about where the idea for elsie fest came from

00:39:09.000 and why it's so important to celebrate her

00:39:11.400 yes um uh two years ago the afa was structured differently it had regions instead of districts

00:39:22.120 and the midwest was looking for a regional event to hold and my husband james suggested elsie

00:39:32.200 because he has a he has a connection where he's he's always wanted to head a prison ministry

00:39:39.800 because of the way his life has gone

00:39:43.780 and how he's risen above what he's come out of.

00:39:47.160 And Elsie has been a very important person in his life.

00:39:51.480 So he suggested Elsie.

00:39:54.020 So it was a remembrance for Elsie Fest.

00:39:57.480 And then in the middle of the planning,

00:39:59.820 Matt decided to make districts instead of regents.

00:40:03.940 So suddenly all these people who were in regents with James,

00:40:08.320 because I wasn't in leadership at that time. We're now in a faraway district, so they weren't as

00:40:15.620 keen on helping because they were doing their own stuff in their own place, which is totally

00:40:19.800 understandable. So we found a camp here in Wisconsin, and this camp is amazing, and they

00:40:28.560 know exactly who we are. They know what we're about, and they still like us. So it was a very

00:40:37.380 good find. They're good people. And Elsie is just a wonderful person beyond her revival of

00:40:49.380 Asitru. This works. Prisoners are just so often forgotten. They're still our folk. Not all of

00:40:58.180 them are wonderful people. Not all of them are going to be awesome when they come out. And,

00:41:03.740 but they're still our folk and they still deserve a chance to learn more about our folk and be a

00:41:12.680 part because essentially they're still a part of our folk soul so it makes sense to educate them

00:41:18.960 to help them grow to give them the tools to put that in their hands so that they can go forward

00:41:24.860 with that knowledge and make their own decisions with that you will get

00:41:29.800 in our leadership, there are several amazing men who you would never guess came out of the prison

00:41:42.240 system. Ositru has changed their life, made them better people, and given them something to hold

00:41:50.940 on to instead of reoffending and that is the lesson that i believe elsie started and um we

00:41:59.180 mirror that now in the our prison ministry that we started we we understand that they're not gonna all

00:42:06.220 come out and join the afa and they're not gonna come out and not go back in but we are giving

00:42:11.820 them the basics to help them have something to hold on to have something to grow have knowledge

00:42:17.980 to learn and and that's why it's important that we remember her so my old timers over on the side

00:42:25.660 hunter's partner name was dd mccall i appreciate you guys remembering that i remember i was again

00:42:33.340 i was a little i was young for that particular program at the time but i watched it when it was

00:42:38.860 on and i also watched the you know pretty close to it reruns on cable as well i remember i was

00:42:46.220 sick one day from school and there was a i was sick actually two days but there was a three-part

00:42:51.420 hunter episode so i i faked being sick on the third day kids don't do this but i faked being

00:42:57.340 sick so i could stay home to see the thrilling conclusion of uh a three-part episode but i

00:43:02.940 appreciate you guys on the side um us old-timers gotta stick together that said with uh a note on

00:43:11.500 some of the prison stuff um yeah some of so i've been doing this for austro that is prison ministry

00:43:22.380 i've only been doing very very recently but uh also true i've been doing for a long time and

00:43:28.220 i've seen a whole lot of ex-cons that are tragic and very very disappointing but you know what i've

00:43:36.620 seen a couple i've seen a few seen some that have been absolutely amazing and that's worth it you

00:43:43.980 know i go in there and every first of all say this i had no idea what to expect when i went in um

00:43:51.820 no idea whatsoever but i wanted to go in it's i am a priest of the gods and if we have our

00:43:58.780 folk that want to connect with our gods it's quite literally my job to try to facilitate that

00:44:05.260 everybody when i've been in there has been extremely extremely gracious and thankful

00:44:10.460 for me coming in and have been fantastic will a lot of them end up being turds if and when

00:44:17.580 they get out maybe i don't know i hope not but if just some of them turn out being fantastic

00:44:26.220 and turning their life around doing something great with it absolutely worth it um

00:44:31.820 it's important that we go where our folk are. And unfortunately, a lot of our, a lot of our

00:44:39.560 folk have situations in their life and make choices that find them in prison. And if they

00:44:48.080 want to turn their lives around and embrace our gods and do that, then it's really important

00:44:54.940 for me that that I and that our go thar can do something to facilitate that make that a little

00:45:01.680 bit better and like I say it's not gonna it's not gonna fix everybody it's one of the reasons that

00:45:06.900 we don't allow you know we don't allow someone who's incarcerated to join the AFA while they

00:45:13.400 are incarcerated but we hope that they will when they get out if you know if they choose to to

00:45:20.460 maintain that when they get out and uh when they get out in the real world and they have all those

00:45:26.140 choices before them that's when we see you know if this is real to them or not but hopefully it is

00:45:32.360 hopefully it will be and i know it has been for some of our some of our very best people and some

00:45:37.100 of my very best friends um you don't always choose where you you target where you want to go

00:45:43.900 we have, excuse me, we have to go where our folk are. And we've seen largely because of the work

00:45:51.220 that Elsie put in, that prison is a place where a lot of our people can find their path home to

00:46:00.620 our gods. And I know it's turned the lives around of many, many people over the decades.

00:46:09.480 And that's something that Elsie put in motion. And she mentioned, I think it's important to

00:46:13.460 mention this Sarah's husband James is the head of our prison ministries he has done more in his

00:46:22.580 short time leaving that program than we've ever had before in the AFA as far as making this work

00:46:29.020 and it's it's a anything dealing with prisons is a very slow progress but James has stuck with it

00:46:35.860 he's done awesome and we've had three or four people before him say they were gonna do it and

00:46:41.860 just couldn't couldn't quite get their footing because it's difficult working with those systems

00:46:45.700 working with different prisons arranging different things uh james has really made a big impact and

00:46:51.300 i'm personally very grateful for that he's doing a really good job um

00:47:00.100 next question do all hoffs have dedicated spaces to elsie or just the beautiful balder's hoff no

00:47:07.380 just Baldershof right now. Each of our Hoffs have a different hero that they celebrate.

00:47:14.100 At Odenshof, we have Meister Guido von List. At Thorshof, we have Alexander Red Mills.

00:47:21.220 At Baldershof, we have Elsie. And then at Njordshof, we have Rauld the Strong.

00:47:28.580 Shay says, fish boil. Please tell me more. Recipe. What kind of rolls or sides do you all serve with

00:47:35.220 it yum you have something to add on this can you tell uh shay about the wonderfulness and

00:47:41.060 deliciousness that is the fish boil uh fish boil is um it is a wisconsin staple um the more dramatic

00:47:50.820 places up in door county actually hold it outside they have a big pot over an open fire so you're

00:47:57.460 putting small potatoes in it carrots little onions and white fish uh james uses either

00:48:06.020 cod or haddock in his and then you're putting it in the salt water so all the fat and all the salt

00:48:13.860 rises to the top of the water and the final act in these dramatic ones is something called a boil

00:48:19.780 over where all that is just you're adding stuff to it and it just all boils over into the fire

00:48:26.340 so then you dump all that out and you serve it in a bowl covered with melted butter and

00:48:34.820 typically you get a side of coleslaw and rye bread with butter on it and it is delicious

00:48:43.380 it is absolutely delicious and probably it's good for you up until you add that butter

00:48:50.900 depends if it's cold outside it's all good for you depends on what you need the extra fat for

00:48:55.220 but it's delicious it really is good stuff i look forward to it it's not the most complicated thing

00:49:00.500 in the world but it's amazing and it's it's awesome and i'm you guys have heard me fast

00:49:05.140 a couple of weeks a couple three four weeks talking about that on here because i really

00:49:08.900 am looking forward to that um so we got a question here about some lc biography stuff

00:49:18.420 we've all right no i think we've covered all of that question um next question is sarah oh this is

00:49:32.740 from sarah so i don't know this from you or from somebody else uh matt since elsie was added to

00:49:38.180 the remembrance days during your time as i was here you're guilty can you explain

00:49:42.100 what about her life indeed stood out to you that you wanted to make sure she was honored um

00:49:48.420 Yeah, so when I became Alzheimer's, our days of remembrance were kind of forgotten.

00:50:00.480 It was something that folks did during the free assembly days, and it wasn't really a prominent thing.

00:50:09.520 I think people that read some of the older literature and some different stuff about Alcetru kind of practiced it on their own at home or whatever.

00:50:17.360 on some of those days of remembrance almost all of them were were from martyrs that you

00:50:22.880 find in the heimskringla saga about the different kings of norway and the conversion process

00:50:29.280 and those of our folk who stood up against that almost all of them i think the exceptions were

00:50:36.320 um radbod in august and uh in september armenius or herman and i wanted to make sure that we honored

00:50:52.160 our modern heroes that did so much to build what we all have today as opposed to just confine it

00:50:58.880 to to an ancient period of time that was really important to me and in examining modern people

00:51:06.000 that had been so influential in making this happen, you know, Elsie was certainly one of

00:51:12.520 those. She's one that so many people talked about. A lot of people that I knew had stories about.

00:51:20.580 And through the work that she did and the path that she laid out, it brought a lot of our people

00:51:27.920 home. And again, what was there's a whole generation of these people that did this,

00:51:37.680 many of them without knowledge of the other, or at least they started it that way. Elsie

00:51:45.280 and Sveinbjorn Vintansson in Iceland and Steve MacNallan all started doing this

00:51:53.440 complete at this within a couple of years of one another completely not knowing of the existence of

00:52:02.080 the others um so that was that was our gods working in a very very interesting way that was

00:52:13.380 that spirit of odin working amongst our folk soul in a in a really profound way and

00:52:20.000 I've said this before, but I think we all can learn from this. The biggest distance is

00:52:29.360 between the couch and the front door. The biggest difference is between doing nothing

00:52:33.960 to doing something. And after that, you pick up momentum. After that, you build upon what you've

00:52:40.480 done. But the biggest thing is going from stasis and theory and it all in your head and something

00:52:46.700 you think and something you ponder and you plan and then actually going out and doing also true

00:52:55.260 and it's so much easier now because we have such a support system we have all these other

00:52:59.420 people out here facilitating it and and helping us do this but elsie did this at a time where

00:53:06.780 it didn't exist she read about this australian guy on the other side of the world that decades

00:53:14.380 earlier was doing something and from that she built in you know in canada and in in north america

00:53:25.340 a network of people she built what she had from nothing and contributed i mean she was

00:53:32.140 directly involved with so many of our early practitioners of our faith and in bringing

00:53:39.980 so many people to alsatru and she absolutely deserves to be honored and celebrated for the

00:53:46.060 rest of time amongst our folk and it was unfortunate that she wasn't at the time

00:53:52.620 and i wanted to do what i could to to remedy that

00:53:58.700 our next question from brandy hail sarah could you tell us about the gifts you bring to elsie's

00:54:06.300 altar at Baldur's Hof? Since I've been going up to Baldur's Hof and the altar has been there,

00:54:17.340 it is part of my ritual. The very first thing I do when I get in the building, I don't

00:54:24.700 say hi to a lot of people. I go right to Elsie's altar and I have a moment with her and I usually

00:54:29.820 bring something, a gift for her, whether it be an acorn or some other piece of nature,

00:54:39.260 flowers, or I made her a glass jar full of acorns that has a hammer in it that another

00:54:48.340 folk builder had made.

00:54:50.000 There's a gift on her altar of something that Ron McVann had made.

00:54:54.400 And it's just important for me to have that first moment with her.

00:55:02.680 I consider her, I guess, something that you would call like a sister of the past because I'm not related to her.

00:55:14.100 I never got a chance to meet her, even though she was alive during my time.

00:55:19.280 And I am blown away by the amount of inmates that I have met that have come out of the prison system who she touched their life just through the correspondence that she was doing with them.

00:55:37.500 And that means a lot to a lot of people.

00:55:41.460 And she was a very special lady.

00:55:43.300 So I like to have that moment with her.

00:55:45.620 And I always bring her something.

00:55:49.280 I think that's really special. And I'm glad that you do that. I know that a number of our people

00:55:59.560 individually have little rituals like that they do when they come to one of our Hoffs. It's always,

00:56:05.420 wish I could say that was our first thing, but I drive quite a, you drive a longer distance to get

00:56:11.140 to Baldur's Hoff, absolutely. But it's about a two and a half hour drive to Odin's Hoff. So my

00:56:15.440 first stop is usually the bathroom. After that stop, second care of, though, I usually light

00:56:21.120 some incense at the All Fathers altar, and I go and I say something at Meister von Liss altar as

00:56:28.240 well. And I always try to do that when I go to the different Hoffs, because it's really important.

00:56:34.120 That stuff's not just there to be pretty. It's there to receive worship, to receive gifts.

00:56:39.600 and as if you will as a portal to those people beyond the veil both to our gods and to our

00:56:49.640 heroes that we're honoring in a way to way to celebrate them and so i think it's really cool

00:56:54.860 that you do that um and now we have a question from katie and this one's about alexander red

00:57:01.520 mills sarah did alexander red mills write any other stuff if so can you expound

00:57:07.340 he he actually wrote a lot of stuff um

00:57:11.540 off the top of my head i cannot think of anything matt i'm sorry

00:57:17.000 uh-oh uh-oh so he did he wrote he wrote a lot of things he wrote a lot of poetry um

00:57:26.420 we're really so now i gotta think of what exact okay hail odin is the book that we have we have

00:57:38.760 uh at his altar at thorshoth we actually have an original edition of one of his works and it

00:57:46.840 came with an inscription to a gentleman in england that he'd sent it to and along with a letter that

00:57:53.580 he wrote on his stationery he was a he was a barrister he was a lawyer in Australia and so

00:58:00.180 from his law office he he typed up this this letter to someone in England and signed it so we

00:58:06.180 have this original book there and it's really cool to have something like that that he touched that

00:58:10.800 he wrote in but it's a book of his poetry um he wrote the call of our ancient Nordic religion

00:58:19.860 yes he wrote a lot of different stuff and again a lot of it was poetry so

00:58:29.140 yeah and we're gonna have actually

00:58:33.620 think so now i'm now i'm all stumped on uh i feel a little bit bad about this on uh when his

00:58:42.980 when is his day of remembrance and we also got a uh episode coming up on him shortly that will

00:58:49.860 tell you a little bit more about him and some of the stuff that he wrote.

00:58:54.200 A lot of it is hard to get. A lot of it's stuff you can find PDFs for online.

00:59:07.380 And so it would be cool if I was a little bit stealthier here, but I'm not. So I was trying to

00:59:13.960 go ahead and throw this up on quick Wikipedia and go to partial bibliography. All right. He wrote,

00:59:25.680 usually I'm able to do that behind the scenes and look a lot cooler on here, but yes, I'm looking

00:59:29.420 on Wikipedia right now. Call of Ancient Nordic Religion, Reflections on the Theological Content

00:59:34.520 of the Sagas, published in 1957. Law of the Ordinary Man, published in Melbourne, self-published

00:59:42.840 in 1947. The Odinist Religion, Overcoming Judeo-Christianity from 1939, a ritual book

00:59:53.260 of the moots of the Anglican body. He founded the Anglican Church of Odin, was what he called his

00:59:59.920 organization that he had in Australia, and he published that in 37. He had the first guidebook

01:00:06.800 the anglican church of odin published in sydney in 1936 hail odin which is what we have it was

01:00:14.720 published in 34 and then uh and fear shall be in the way uh that was published in london in 1933.

01:00:27.520 so that's a partial list of the different works that he wrote he did self-publish a lot with some

01:00:34.480 of his poetry and his other things so i don't think that's an exhaustive uh list

01:00:41.360 interesting fact um that i do know uh there's a man named austrid who has since passed away

01:00:48.880 when mills died he was working on a book with him that austrid has the manuscript to

01:00:57.040 austrid is the was the head of the odinic right in australia and it was a completely separate

01:01:04.400 thing than the regular Odinic Rite that we know. And he had an impressive library of first editions

01:01:12.640 of lots of things to do with Odinism and ostrich or a lot of our pioneers that no one knows what

01:01:20.160 happened to. So this is one of the, I mentioned this or something like this on most of our

01:01:29.040 episodes about our heroes and i'm going to continue to do so you never think something's history

01:01:38.320 until the moment's passed and you look back on something in the past

01:01:43.120 if we don't preserve these things then they get lost and sometimes they're lost beyond recovery

01:01:50.880 a lot of those things that he had I hope and I pray that we will eventually

01:01:57.520 uncover or be able to get access to that's why it's really important it was very important to

01:02:03.240 me and has been that we put up you know an archive of all of the material I could find

01:02:08.420 all of the old rune stones that I was able to get a hold of and put those up on the library section

01:02:14.520 of our website um it's our job in the here and now to preserve things for posterity because if we

01:02:22.840 don't they won't be there when folks need them um and our recent history gets lost like that so much

01:02:31.160 because you know this is just you know just some stuff we're doing right now and you don't think

01:02:36.760 of it with the weight of history upon it but it is and it's our history and it may seem run of the

01:02:45.480 mill to us today because we're doing this every day and we're slogging through making stuff happen

01:02:52.040 but this is stuff that you know aubrey when she's older is going to want to read about

01:02:57.400 what we did during these times and you know our grandkids are going to want to know what we were

01:03:02.360 doing and why we were doing it and so it's really important to keep those things documented that's

01:03:07.320 why our hoff historians are so very important and people working on our website team are so important

01:03:15.960 these things matter what we do matters and it will matter to folks in the future that will wish they

01:03:21.320 had it uh it looks like apprentice folk builder ali will be talking about red mills on july 5th

01:03:32.440 and his remembrance day is july 9th see there you go it's coming up

01:03:40.920 all right

01:03:41.320 so the next question is from shay are there any friends of elsie still around did she have kids

01:03:53.240 and if so are they practicing alsa true sarah she never had any kids her and alex never did

01:04:00.560 um and it's not something she talked about so i don't know much about that but i know that they

01:04:07.260 did not have kids um elsie obviously had a lot of friends with the prisoners that she wrote to

01:04:13.900 um the other also true people odinus people at the time it is interesting that you know we rely

01:04:23.420 on the internet so much for communication with people around the world and they were doing phone

01:04:29.180 calls and letters back then so her relationship like with the mcnallans and with with other people

01:04:36.300 at that time was based on letters was based on phone calls not meeting in person or doing face

01:04:44.140 timing on the computer one of the pictures that was put up was at an event that uh steve and

01:04:54.700 sheila were at and uh with her tossing the caber some people you know i know people who have met

01:05:02.780 her and spent you know a little bit of time communicating with her that way um there are

01:05:09.740 people who actively corresponded with her that are still around i'm not sure who we have involved

01:05:14.700 in the astro folk assembly that personally corresponded with her and i think you know

01:05:20.540 that would be be awesome to find out if we had those folks and if we do i'd love for them to

01:05:27.500 step up it's absolutely you know something uh i don't know if you mentioned this uh what year did

01:05:34.220 lc pass sarah 2005. so i mean there's there's plenty of people around that that's lives have

01:05:40.780 overlapped hers so we'd love to love to hear from those folks um sorry guys i'm refreshing my screen

01:05:54.940 here because i think i was missing some of the some of the chat

01:06:01.260 bear with me one second used to be this is what my my monthly live chats were like all the time

01:06:06.860 was constantly me reading reading over chat stuff and tons of dead air so this is a rarity all right

01:06:15.100 Right. This is an interesting question. I think this goes into something we were mentioning

01:06:25.780 earlier. So the next question is from Anonymous. How can Odinism slash Alcetru not be dogmatic,

01:06:31.240 but also unify into one front? Would it not be difficult to unify if there are many different

01:06:36.960 interpretations. Absolutely. So this is why historical perspective is so important.

01:06:48.800 When Elsie was writing that, there wasn't organization. There were some groups that would

01:06:57.120 call themselves organized, but they were tens and a handful of people. And they were separated by

01:07:06.000 snail mail across the surface of the earth and honestly they were just figuring it out

01:07:13.200 and they were in a point where they needed maximum freedom of exploring stuff and figuring stuff out

01:07:21.520 because they were in the very infancy of modern aussitrew and they were starting from scratch

01:07:29.360 and uh and i get that um obviously it's extremely important to the afa that we bring that stuff

01:07:37.920 together that we bring alsatru under under one roof under one banner and that we do establish

01:07:44.320 some dogma everything doesn't need to be dogmatic but certainly we need dogma dogma is one of those

01:07:50.400 words that it's developed a bad reputation, but it's not a bad word. It basically means

01:08:03.620 consistent teaching or, you know, a standardized, what is our stance on X? And we need that or else

01:08:13.380 or else we're nothing or else the word outstreet doesn't mean anything unless we have some sort of

01:08:18.400 some dogma to what it means and even even in lc's day there was plenty of that or there was some of

01:08:24.560 that certainly the the noble virtues are a form of dogma an early form of dogma um and you see

01:08:32.800 that lc even in writing that she said that yeah one day stuff would be united the way that you

01:08:39.360 unite stuff is by that dogma and by hierarchy that at the time lc probably wasn't a huge fan of but

01:08:47.200 what hierarchy and what dogma was there for her to be a fan of at her time that she was around

01:08:52.640 and when she was most active when she was writing a lot of that the groups unified in practicing

01:09:00.000 any form of asa true were very small it was a lot of a lot of larpy dress up viking stuff

01:09:08.800 a lot of brosa true stuff there was you know what she was doing was really important to her

01:09:14.960 but as she admitted she wasn't doing a lot of ritual she wasn't doing a lot of the spiritual

01:09:21.520 practice that is what breeds dogma and advancement of our faith so you know that's one of the ways

01:09:29.660 that we've really advanced since Elsie's time and it's something I hope that she'd be proud of

01:09:34.860 I think she'd absolutely be on board with some of it some of it maybe not but uh

01:09:41.240 But yeah, I don't feel confined to practice Ausatru in the way that Elsie practiced it

01:09:48.280 30 years ago. And I don't think that she would want us to have stagnated at that point. I would

01:09:55.460 hope that none of those that have preceded us would want us to stop developing. So, you know,

01:10:01.120 that, but your point is valid. There's there. And so I'll say this now, there's still a big

01:10:05.720 contingent of people out there that don't like hierarchy and don't like dogma and don't want

01:10:11.060 anybody else to tell them what to do. And those people don't move forward. Those people don't

01:10:16.440 make progress. We owe it to those who came before us to build this into something, to leave a

01:10:24.400 structure for our children to build upon and to advance this to something worthy of our gods and

01:10:30.180 our folk. And in order to do that, you need hierarchy and you need dogma. But first, you need

01:10:36.080 to build, restructure that spiritual connection between our folk and our gods. And Elsie wanted

01:10:42.760 to encourage folks to do that, but she herself didn't know how to build that reconnection

01:10:47.980 point. And that's something that the AFA has been able to do. But all these steps needed

01:10:57.320 to be in place at the right time. So many, this is part of our rune, Raido, that's the

01:11:03.060 of our priesthood, and that was the original logo of the Asatru Free Assembly. All the right actions

01:11:10.280 at the right time. At that point, when our folk were just awakening to our faith, it wasn't the

01:11:15.720 time for that yet. The seed needed to germinate before it became the time for us to pull all of

01:11:22.560 those cords together, pull all of these founders together, and move Asatru together in a unified

01:11:28.840 by the way, and that time has come

01:11:31.760 and we've been very involved in that.

01:11:41.040 Trent has a question.

01:11:42.800 A question for both Sarah and the Altaria Gothi.

01:11:45.200 No, nevermind, that's an ancient question.

01:11:46.940 I gotta refresh my stuff, I apologize, I apologize.

01:11:53.140 So,

01:11:53.920 Huh. All right. I've got to find a lot of stuff. I apologize. But in the meantime,

01:12:03.140 how can we honor Elsie in our daily practices? Sarah, what are your thoughts on that?

01:12:16.560 I would say the greatest way is learning about her.

01:12:21.040 raising a horn to her saying her name out loud

01:12:27.240 sharing with others what you find out about her and her stories those are for obviously not just

01:12:35.780 but any of our ancestors that have passed that is the greatest way to honor them to keep their

01:12:41.080 memory alive to keep them here with us. All right. And yeah, honestly, I, yes, to do that,

01:12:56.680 I feel like it's a way to honor the folk mother for myself to participate in the prison ministry

01:13:02.840 that we do. Um, I think that's a way for our go-thar to, to honor Elsie is to keep that

01:13:09.480 mission and that priority there um but yeah remembering her telling her stories learning

01:13:15.480 about her learning about her life learning and reading things that she wrote that keeps that

01:13:21.560 keeps her uh her name and her influence alive here in midgard um um uh sarah can you please

01:13:33.320 expand on how elsie's prison time changed slash created her prison outreach program so first

01:13:40.680 before you do that can you tell that story because i think a lot of the folk out there listening may

01:13:46.360 not be familiar okay um yeah when i talk with okay um let's see in in about 1993 she was caught

01:13:57.640 basically what had happened is while she was living in florida she got to know this um

01:14:08.040 owner of a used card lot and he hired her to drive a car several times different cars from

01:14:17.080 florida to texas and she didn't think nothing of it and she needed the money so she just did it but

01:14:22.760 But what he was thinking is the police wouldn't pull over an old lady driving a car.

01:14:28.320 The car was stuffed with drugs.

01:14:30.800 And she did get pulled over and arrested for that.

01:14:33.560 And she went on trial for that.

01:14:36.960 She blames her nightgivity of not knowing that there were drugs in the vehicle.

01:14:42.780 And like I said, the car dealer knew that nobody would suspect this old lady driving the car.

01:14:48.920 And she could really use the money.

01:14:52.760 it was during that time that Stephen McNallan and Vanguard Murray started the free LC campaign

01:15:01.640 to help her with her legal defense. She was convicted of the crime and spent,

01:15:09.500 I believe, just a year in prison. And of that time, she said she was actually thankful for

01:15:18.340 that time because it got her to understand what she had been the part of the, because she would

01:15:26.840 go into the prisons to have these study groups. She felt she understood prisoners better from

01:15:33.100 seeing the other side of the stuff that she hadn't seen before. Plus it gave her an opportunity to

01:15:40.020 talk to many women that she would have never in her whole lifetime talked to. And it was very much

01:15:46.420 an eye-opening learning experience for her. So yeah, I think it's important to point out that

01:15:54.760 her prison outreach predates her incarceration. So it wasn't something that she just started.

01:16:04.040 It was something that added a lot of dimension to what she was doing. It's really unfortunate,

01:16:09.020 it. But that's the thing. Our folk are broken. We have a soul sickness in our folk soul and our

01:16:20.420 people are are beat down. And a lot of folks involved in this, especially in the early days,

01:16:28.300 turned out to to be damaged folks and to have not the best intentions. And one of those situations

01:16:35.300 was setting up an old, you know, I guess not setting up, but using the naivety of an old lady

01:16:41.720 to further their own, their own extra legal ends and at the cost of, you know, at the cost of this

01:16:52.520 lady's reputation of freedom. And that's really unfortunate. The Us True Folk Assembly, along with

01:16:59.540 many others participated in trying to fundraise for her legal defense, also to try to fundraise

01:17:06.200 for her to get the ability to get extradited or back into, I think she was deported to Canada.

01:17:14.300 Is that the case? So yeah, she was deported to Canada and to try to get her back here in the

01:17:19.880 United States where she'd lived, where she had resources. And that was a big thing. And I sent

01:17:25.440 over a picture for Nick, and I'm sure he'll pop that up when he's able, but it's an old

01:17:31.320 picture of Steve in a, you know, like a free Elsie shirt. And so that was something that

01:17:36.840 people across Alcetru did at the time. And the McAllens helped while she was incarcerated. They

01:17:46.100 helped publish some of her works so that could keep going even while she was inside.

01:17:55.440 okay uh so what is a daily practice that you have to honor the gods and ancestors

01:18:04.040 sarah do you want to enlighten folks on your daily practice

01:18:08.580 yes every morning um i talk about this a lot in in the ladies podcasts that we do um

01:18:17.380 every morning when i get up the very first thing i do is i have an altar right by my bed that is

01:18:24.080 my personal altar. And I hail the day, and I thank the gods, and I start talking to my ancestors.

01:18:35.620 I put my hand upon my heart, and I feel my heartbeat, and I relax and remember that that

01:18:42.640 is the same heartbeat that goes down my line and connects me to every one of my female ancestors.

01:18:49.740 and I ask them for guidance for the day.

01:18:55.180 And then I do a ruin poll.

01:18:58.180 I gulder the ruin.

01:19:00.440 I think about its meaning to me.

01:19:03.360 I thank the ancestors for being with me.

01:19:06.560 And then I go about my day.

01:19:08.900 And that is every single day,

01:19:11.320 regardless of if I'm running late.

01:19:14.460 Because if I ever miss it,

01:19:17.560 the day is not the same.

01:19:19.740 that is what i do there you go there's a lot of different things that people do and some of them

01:19:27.340 are very small things or very small actions or actions that don't take a lot of time or

01:19:34.380 don't seem big but they can make a big impact on someone's day um you know i

01:19:42.860 Some of these things sound really small, but I think, and I'll reiterate this, I've said this a lot.

01:19:53.600 Our gods and our ancestors are bigger than this, our gods certainly, but we take our cues from how we interact with people that we know on this side of the veil.

01:20:07.060 if someone reaches out to you and tells you good morning or asks you how your day was

01:20:13.300 it's really simple but just getting that text from somebody means a lot

01:20:19.140 you know getting a phone call from somebody just checking in on you wanted to say hi

01:20:24.380 means a lot calling your parents calling your grandparents just checking in and saying hi

01:20:31.940 means a tremendous amount. I have to believe that that means a lot across the veil, especially when

01:20:39.060 these people have been forgotten by a lot of the people they knew in life. Reaching out just to say

01:20:45.180 hi and to have a kind word to one of your ancestors, I think that means a lot. I think

01:20:53.320 reaching out, you know, making a small offering and saying something to one of our gods,

01:20:59.200 that act in and of itself is meaningful, and it keeps that cycle of gifting alive,

01:21:05.500 even if it's something really small and really simple. Those things are very important. Some

01:21:11.320 people like to do that in the morning when they first wake up. Some people like to do that at

01:21:16.000 night before they go to bed. Some people like to do both. But I encourage everybody to speak

01:21:22.720 to their ancestors speak to their gods do it often

01:21:28.560 sarah can you expand on the prison outreach program you are involved in with the wau

01:21:36.720 um yes uh i i will note that my work with the wau is completely separate from the afa

01:21:45.440 where the afa is my spiritualness my my religion um the wau is my sisterhood and part of my

01:21:54.640 political belief system that is completely separate from the afa um one of the things that

01:22:02.720 wau has been around for 35 odd years now and i have been a member for 20 years one of the

01:22:09.680 biggest things we do is we have a prison outreach not really close to what lc's was because we don't

01:22:19.040 actually go into prisons but we correspond we have a newsletter called behind the wire that

01:22:26.720 has articles written by different prisoners and from our sisters on various subjects

01:22:33.920 just so they have something to read inside um and this is actually how i first heard about

01:22:43.040 elsie because a lot of these men that we would write to would would talk about elsie in the

01:22:49.280 letters that they received from her and um i i guess i at that point in my life i didn't realize

01:22:58.240 how important she would be to me later in life so i heard about her while she was alive

01:23:07.200 and i could have met her and it's just something that i think of now and then but um

01:23:14.960 again as i had mentioned earlier these these men and women behind bars are often forgotten

01:23:21.760 but they are still our folk and and we do want the best for them as we do for all our folk

01:23:28.240 next question uh matt you say there are some convicts you will not who will not work out

01:23:39.440 when they get out are there convicts who you will not work with or bring into the afa upon release

01:23:45.940 well yeah um so here's the thing it it becomes really challenging because we want all of our

01:23:55.380 people to have a pathway to something better and to a connection with their gods. But there's

01:24:02.580 obviously things that transgress that. If you are convicted for sexually molesting a child,

01:24:12.820 you are broken to a degree that we cannot and will not let you be involved in the

01:24:17.220 AustroFolk assembly. It's a danger to our children. It's a danger to our families.

01:24:23.140 and once you've crossed that particular bridge there's there's not anything we can really do for

01:24:28.340 you um there are some crimes and it all depends that are absolutely so heinous that no once you've

01:24:38.020 done that we really don't want to be have anything to do with you um most of those situations that

01:24:46.660 would fall in that category are segregated in the prisons that we would go to and we don't extend

01:24:52.580 our prison outreach to those yards for the sex offenders that's not something we want to be

01:24:58.260 involved in in any way um so most of that happens there as far as when they come out it depends um

01:25:06.900 if the nature of their crime is something that we that if they continue with a level of criminality

01:25:13.860 that's something that wouldn't warrant them being members of the afa in the first place

01:25:19.780 then certainly we don't want them until those things are fixed we don't want anyone who's

01:25:26.660 likely to be dangerous to our families or to our folk we don't want to introduce that around our

01:25:32.020 around our children but some of the and again a lot of people end up being dirt bags they're

01:25:40.580 in prison for a good reason lots but there's some really amazing people and some of my best friends

01:25:47.700 that have had to go through there because of mistakes that they've made but have turned it

01:25:52.900 into something amazing and wanted to really you know one of the things is you lose time and you

01:25:58.740 lose so many things uh this is as i understand it again i've never been in that situation thankfully

01:26:05.220 but a lot of people come out wanting to make everything better and wanting to make up for

01:26:10.820 lost time by doing and by building for our folk and our gods and that's a really good thing that's

01:26:16.020 a really beautiful thing and i wouldn't want to hold that back but yeah there are plenty of

01:26:19.820 convicts who get out that i wouldn't want to work with and i wouldn't want to bring in the afa

01:26:23.660 but those are individual situations and we don't typically do that by blanket rule other than

01:26:29.560 If you have a consistency of violence towards women, violence towards children, violence towards elderly people, violence towards people that you can victimize, no, we don't want those people, obviously.

01:26:45.920 But yeah, beyond those bounds, it is kind of a case-by-case basis that our leadership talks about.

01:26:52.300 So James asks, I think he knows the answer to these questions. Are Elsie's writings available

01:27:00.400 and will they be preserved? Sarah, what do you say? They are working on, James is working on

01:27:10.960 preserving them. He is compiling them in a book and uploading them on a website so they're

01:27:18.660 available for all people. He is missing a couple of the issues of the Odinus that he has been

01:27:26.440 hunting down. And yep, that sometime soon, hopefully that'll be available for more people

01:27:36.760 to be able to read her writing. You have to understand that she was typing this stuff out

01:27:41.820 on a typewriter and then using a very, very old printing press to make copies of them all

01:27:48.280 completely on her own without any help so a lot of these um they're they're off center they're

01:27:57.000 very hard to scan because they go in different directions and it's been very interesting

01:28:04.360 reading through all this history as we do this but it is a tedious long project but it is well

01:28:10.920 worth it and in the end just to have everything together in one place available to everyone will

01:28:18.120 be wonderful that's something james that i want to talk to you more about this weekend i think

01:28:23.320 it's an amazing thing that you're doing and that's awesome and it follows right on with what i was

01:28:28.920 saying earlier um there's a lot of conversation over in the side chat about dogma stuff we have

01:28:35.960 a question that i'm going to get into that a little more on but please know i do see the side

01:28:40.040 the side chat and i am going to address that here in a bit um next question from the king of cheese

01:28:48.120 so sarah uh you've told us about how you came to the afa how did you get into paganism you said

01:28:55.240 you worshiped uh rigged uh before where did it all start i was a roman catholic for 28 years

01:29:07.680 And ever since I was a child, I've been kind of, for lack of a better word, sensitive to things with nature and to other things kind of on a supernatural level, as kooky as that sounds, without every understanding of what I was doing.

01:29:31.180 And if anyone has ever been Roman Catholic, you know that it is a dull, dead religion that does not bring forth any joy.

01:29:44.320 From that, I was a United Pentecostal for six years, which is a very lively religion.

01:29:54.000 um a lot of hallelujahs and dancing and and stuff but it it all seems just kind of going through

01:30:03.300 motions in an act and and the god that they talked about i couldn't connect with it i didn't feel like

01:30:11.620 home so as i i i am i'm adopted through my father's side so when i started looking into

01:30:22.900 things with my biological father i um did a dna test and

01:30:28.420 he is almost fully irish and so as i was discovering more about ireland and certain

01:30:40.580 people came into my life that that were actually from ireland i learned more about the magical

01:30:46.660 side of ireland so i dealt kind of dwell into the druid stuff the the nature the

01:30:54.580 a little bit of wiccan and some ancestral witchcraft type stuff

01:31:00.920 which felt more to me but yet it wasn't complete um so my connection to bridget

01:31:11.980 was was very intense and deep but not all-encompassing and finding more about

01:31:22.900 ossature well actually odinism and wotanism at that time because it's going from from the

01:31:30.660 the celtic irish stuff into um speaking with david lane and learning about wotanism and then

01:31:39.960 ron mcvan with wodenism finding more about um odinism and then eventually with james coming

01:31:48.280 to ossitrew and this is this is home ossitrew is home i i know it's the blood memory i know that

01:31:57.640 that's the call but home is just the all encompassing of what to call it

01:32:04.280 and and that's where i am at this point i'm just i'm home

01:32:08.800 i love hearing you say that um that's what a lot of our people myself included feel

01:32:17.300 and what we say it's it's not just a marketing thing our kind of our slogan is it's about roots

01:32:25.140 it's about connections it's about coming home this is our home and this is our family and we

01:32:31.100 really mean that and i know it you know it sounds whatever to folks that aren't a part of it but

01:32:37.340 when you join the afa you feel like that or hopefully you do for doing it right um so nick's

01:32:44.940 got that picture if he can throw that picture up this was at a time where a lot of folks were

01:32:51.260 they were selling commemorative coins and t-shirts and all kind of stuff to try to

01:32:57.100 raise money to help elsie i don't know if you can make that any bigger james but it's kind

01:33:02.300 of little or not james i'm sorry nick it's kind of little um anyways that's a steve in the 90s with

01:33:12.540 the with the shirt on there um i think it says i can't even read it because it's tiny so i gotta

01:33:18.620 pull it back up on my phone um yeah it says house true it's the odinus logo of her newsletter

01:33:26.380 that she had says lc christensen defense fund uh we stand up for our own and that's that's

01:33:34.460 a way that so many people felt at the time there we go now he's got it enlarged we appreciate our

01:33:40.620 producer uh nick rice he does an awesome job for us every week this week is no exception

01:33:47.260 um so king of cheese says uh matt how have your family uh been doing i ask every week but i forgot

01:33:58.000 to ask about them they're doing great um you know mandy's mandy's got some kind of cramp in her back

01:34:03.460 right now so she's not doing doing doing that great but no we're all doing really really well

01:34:09.420 aubrey is in the face where she says no to everything whether she means no or not it's

01:34:15.720 just know all the time and she'll growl it, but she'll still do what we do. And then if you tickle

01:34:21.220 her, she'll start laughing and it breaks the grumpy face. So she's doing good. We're all doing

01:34:27.100 awesome. Three is challenging, but what's cool is it seems like you watch her learn something new

01:34:35.000 every single day, new word, a new, you know, knowing how to do something on her own, knowing

01:34:41.940 how to the other okay so something simple and stupid like those little cuties the little the

01:34:48.100 little oranges she went i watched in 24 hours her go from not having any clue what to do to watching

01:34:57.380 me do it and kind of break it open with her teeth and then smush it and whatever now she can open

01:35:03.860 those like a pro and she's awesome and i watched her figure that out in one day and it sounds

01:35:07.620 ridiculous parents out there will probably understand what i'm saying but it's really

01:35:11.780 cool to watch them you know in real time learn how to do stuff that's really neat um

01:35:22.420 i'm checking because i think i may have to reload on something here in a second

01:35:29.620 i am going to click reload but first i'm going to read this question i'll be answering this

01:35:34.260 while i do my refreshing because i can multitask like that i understand else okay this is from

01:35:40.260 michael um same guy who gave us five bucks earlier we appreciate that uh i understand that elsie was

01:35:45.780 a strasserite a naz bowl in her younger days did she ever change from that myself i am a national

01:35:52.900 socialist and believe that the german fuhrer adolf hitler was a great man um sarah did elsie's

01:36:00.820 political position change as she advanced in years i do not know there is her writings

01:36:11.140 were always focused on the odinism aspect in later life um i haven't read anything in interviews

01:36:19.140 or the order her publication or any of the other things she's written on the political question

01:36:28.180 so i'm not sure

01:36:32.100 so that's a good question and honestly i wish that i knew more of nuanced lc things and i don't i

01:36:39.540 wish that i did um nick if you could re-throw up those questions because i did just reload entropy

01:36:49.060 Yeah, and we've got, we've got members of the AFA that have a variety of different political

01:36:59.380 views.

01:37:00.380 There are certainly some of those political views on the far left that aren't incongruence

01:37:05.500 with being in the Austro Folk Assembly, but there's a variety of views on the middle to

01:37:10.020 right end of that spectrum in the Austro Folk Assembly.

01:37:18.560 One thing also to consider is here, 90 years removed from that time, we all have, and just

01:37:33.060 like you said, your version of National Socialism and of the Fuhrer are probably very different

01:37:40.960 than a lot of our audiences.

01:37:43.900 And we can't agree on a lot of history because we view it through our modern lens, but during the time in which it occurred, there was a lot of other things to consider.

01:37:56.540 And I think we were in a phase at that time where a lot of the elites and the monarchies of the time had become completely flaccid and effete and overgrown and weren't meeting the needs of their folk in a lot of different ways.

01:38:19.160 And I think there was a lot of reactions to that that were extreme.

01:38:23.240 And I say that at no point would would I support Strasserism or or Bolshevism.

01:38:30.320 But a lot of people at that time were trying to figure out, hey, what's going to work here?

01:38:34.360 Because what we have is broken.

01:38:38.380 And so people were were flailing for something new and for something different.

01:38:42.900 One thing that is very important to the AFA is that leader principle that was so important at the time on the opposite end of where else he was at was the idea of individual leadership taking responsibility for their departments, the areas that they had control over, and the buck stopping with them as opposed to bloated committees and different bureaucracies.

01:39:09.500 And that was that's really important to the AFA. But honestly, times are really different. And you also have to consider that her relationship to German National Socialism is different because she was in an occupied country that wasn't, you know, part of pre-war Germany.

01:39:33.460 um that makes that outlook probably look very different than it did if she was in you know

01:39:40.740 berlin uh her being in denmark made her situation a little bit different

01:39:45.300 and i'm not sure how that developed as she grew up i wish i knew a little bit more

01:39:50.100 um next question i have is what about the bloat what about the blood sacrifice

01:39:58.020 it's kind of an open question um

01:40:05.060 so there are people today who still participate in uh live animal sacrifice

01:40:14.360 and i think that may sound scary to a lot of folks and that's one of the reasons that it's

01:40:18.880 very seldom talked about one of the things that was really important to our ancestors

01:40:23.660 in ancient sacrifice that way and in the modern iteration of it is it's the ritual slaughtering

01:40:30.900 of an animal and then feeding it to the folk. And in our ancestors' time, that was the only time

01:40:37.920 that a lot of the lower classes were able to eat meat was during these festivals.

01:40:42.840 there is something absolutely sacred about the bloat process between laying hands on something

01:40:54.340 that is living putting your energy in that slaughtering that animal and then having that

01:41:00.460 energy pass beyond the veil so many people today are so very far removed from any kind of animal

01:41:07.280 husbandry lifestyle that it's silly and we don't just bring out animals to kill them that's

01:41:18.240 that's at best larpy and at worst kind of sadistic so that's not something that most

01:41:24.720 people practice all the time but i have i have been involved in in a number of different live

01:41:30.720 animal bloats um they've been profoundly spiritual if they're done in the right

01:41:36.160 circumstance with the right people at the right times and you know all of those meat

01:41:41.280 all of that meat has been consumed by folk who are sharing that feast with our gods

01:41:47.120 so i think there's a misconception there whereas um in the judaic faith a lot of

01:41:53.920 those sacrifices the idea was the entire animal was was burnt as as an offering to their god whereas

01:42:02.800 in historic and in modern times any kind of a live animal bloat in also true has been about

01:42:08.880 sharing a communal feast with the folk and there's something really different

01:42:13.600 about those two things to my mind um so here okay here's the next question and this is

01:42:22.080 is one that i wanted to uh make sure we touched on and it's kind of about that dogma um point

01:42:28.160 uh i just this from anonymous i just wanted to clarify i've heard in different odinist slash

01:42:36.080 also true conversations that rules are for desert people or abrahamic faiths

01:42:41.280 that also true people are free sounds like you you're saying there are rules for us too

01:42:47.840 absolutely um that whole attitude that there's no rules and no dogma and also true

01:42:54.400 because we're free and everybody's free.

01:42:59.460 I know that's something that was very common in early Alcetru.

01:43:04.880 And I think that a lot of the time was a reaction to faith,

01:43:09.140 specifically the Abrahamic faiths that are so very, very overladen

01:43:13.720 with heavy amounts of do this, don't do that, do this, don't do that.

01:43:19.440 You know, their God cares about all your, you know, bedroom practices

01:43:24.080 and if you touch yourself and all kind of crazy stuff that's really intrusive.

01:43:30.800 But it's an idea that's also very immature in our faith. We've moved past that. Yes,

01:43:37.140 of course, there's rules. We're an actual religion. There are specific beliefs and

01:43:41.780 there are specific things that are okay and that are not okay. Now, rather than a long list of

01:43:48.020 legal thou shalt thou shalt not much of our rules are presented in in the form of principles

01:43:55.380 because circumstances determine so much there's absolutely dogma and also true there's absolutely

01:44:01.620 rules in also true people who say they aren't are wrong um it's one of the things odinus slash

01:44:09.780 also true there is only also true everything else is just confusing and when i say that

01:44:17.140 people that are involved in also true for a long period of time use these terms because at one

01:44:21.860 point they were very very divergent isn't fair but there were divergent implications amongst

01:44:32.900 these different things now we heard sarah talk earlier about uh votanism versus odinism versus

01:44:39.700 also true and if we're having this conversation in the 80s or in the early 90s perhaps

01:44:44.500 that's really relevant. At this point, those things have

01:44:52.260 either become stagnant or merged into the term that we use, Ausitru. And that's why in the Ausitru

01:45:00.580 Folk Assembly, you see us honor some of these folks that weren't members of the Free Assembly

01:45:05.020 and weren't members of the Folk Assembly, but were part of the folkish practice of our faith.

01:45:09.540 we're united and we're moving forward and we stick with the term Alcitru because it's ours

01:45:17.900 and because we want to have a consistent meaning to what that means. And the more we try to

01:45:23.700 differentiate to where everybody's got their different name for what we do, the more it has

01:45:30.180 no meaning when we speak to people who are on the outside that have never heard of it. So the more

01:45:35.080 we consolidate into the use of the term Alcetru, the more we move forward in a unified way and the

01:45:41.040 more we stand for something instead of literally standing for nothing because there's so many

01:45:48.740 different versions. So we've brought that all together the best we can and we continue to try

01:45:54.340 to do so. Um, so I'm going to check this might, might be our last question and it might not be

01:46:08.380 dependent on how our, uh, our situation is here. So Matt, where could I find a list of

01:46:16.460 also true slash odinist male names so i'm going to do one last reload here while i answer that

01:46:24.140 question um i don't think it works quite that simple because most of our names aren't determined

01:46:34.220 by religiosity they're determined by language um there's a lot of places i mean you can just google

01:46:42.060 Germanic baby names. And that will help you. But there's other ways that you can find one of the

01:46:50.340 biggest things is if you take names that you want to name your child, and you

01:46:56.280 just look at the etymology and look at where they come from. And they don't have to be Norse

01:47:04.680 to be relevant to our folk.

01:47:07.980 The Ausatru Folk Assembly

01:47:09.220 in our faith is Pan-Aryan.

01:47:13.720 There's a lot of names

01:47:15.020 that are in European languages.

01:47:17.840 What you want to look out

01:47:19.100 and avoid is names that are Hebrew.

01:47:22.260 And I say that,

01:47:22.900 I don't know who's listening to the program.

01:47:24.480 If you're a Jewish fellow

01:47:25.440 and you want to name

01:47:26.260 your Jewish children something,

01:47:27.760 then absolutely name them something Hebrew.

01:47:30.120 But if you're Ausatru and you're doing this,

01:47:32.340 there's plenty of European names.

01:47:34.680 so the other thing um that was really important uh gothi david james at the first time uh

01:47:41.880 first time i went to an afa event was a midsummer in i think 2009

01:47:47.000 and gothi david james was a was an old man at the time and he uh

01:47:55.080 he gave a talk about um also true naming traditions and one thing that he suggested because so many of

01:48:03.880 us have hebrew names my name i've got a hebrew name so many of us have biblical names if you

01:48:13.160 want to name a child after someone or if there's an important hebrew name that you want to name

01:48:18.600 your child try to find an equivalent from one of our native tongues you know if you're an englishman

01:48:27.160 try to find a an anglo-saxon name that means something similar or if you're a german try

01:48:33.640 to find a german name that means something simpler or you know scandinavian or irish or welsh or

01:48:40.040 whatever that may be of our of our different folk languages that's a good choice for folks

01:48:45.400 that want to name somebody after someone with because so many of our ancestors for

01:48:50.920 a thousand years have a lot of them have biblically based names um so yeah that's

01:48:58.440 something you can do i was i was almost i almost had a german name i was almost named gerald which

01:49:04.280 means spear warrior my father was a gerald my grandfather was a gerald i was almost named

01:49:10.360 gerald if i'd had a son i would have named him gerald um but my my dad never liked his name he

01:49:16.120 so he always went by his middle name so i think that's why they they deviated and gave me a

01:49:20.760 a different and uh and hebrew name but that's some of the stuff that you that you can do um

01:49:30.120 so i do have another question that's popped up but only one more

01:49:35.040 um and this one's this one's for you sarah can you give a brief rundown of what to expect

01:49:41.460 at LC Fest by day? Yes. On Friday, when you arrive, you'll get

01:49:52.420 signed into a cabin, and then there will be plenty of time to mingle and meet people and

01:49:57.780 get to know the camp. This year, we have Witten Cliff Erickson, who is coming with his family,

01:50:06.100 and he will do a ceremony welcoming the gods.

01:50:11.520 There will be question and answer time with leadership that is there,

01:50:15.780 so you can ask any questions that you like.

01:50:21.660 James managed to secure a musician that I know nothing about

01:50:26.100 who will be playing music while we eat.

01:50:30.000 Tyler Henling is coming from Montana,

01:50:33.300 and I have wanted to meet him for a very long time.

01:50:37.000 He is, seems like a very neat young man

01:50:40.780 that has a lot of stuff going on.

01:50:43.520 He uprooted his family and bought land in Montana

01:50:46.760 and he is building this homestead from scratch

01:50:50.480 and he does a journal that he posts of it during the week

01:50:54.680 and it is some of the most interesting stuff I've ever read

01:50:57.480 and he seems like an interesting person.

01:50:59.240 I've never met him.

01:51:00.380 He is driving all the way from Montana

01:51:02.220 and he will be giving a speech.

01:51:08.020 And then obviously the fish boil.

01:51:11.120 And late at night when it's dark, Matt will be doing an Odin's Bloat,

01:51:15.300 which is very, every year it has been intense and emotional and just incredible.

01:51:23.500 There's a hill we walk up that's lit by candles.

01:51:28.000 And in the darkness, you have the fire in front of you

01:51:31.840 And it is just an intense thing. And I think you'll really enjoy that, Sterling.

01:51:37.860 The next day, there will be breakfast and folk builder James Alt will be doing another talk on Elsie.

01:51:45.840 And then after that, Githia Katie Erickson will be doing the bloat to Elsie.

01:51:51.980 Every year that we have had Elsie Fest, it is always a female that does the bloat to Elsie.

01:51:58.520 They are always emotional, and she is honored, which I think, hopefully, she's happy with it, but I think she's honored very well with that.

01:52:08.140 The very first year, it was Githia Anaplord, and at the exact same time she was doing that, we had a bunch of AFA members up in Canada at her resting place did a bloat, and that was pretty powerful to have that connection.

01:52:26.020 um last year it was githia um brandy did the blow to lc and like i said this year it's githia katie

01:52:34.420 um after that there's a another speaker there's lunch and then the viking games which will have

01:52:43.540 a hammer toss maybe the camber thing if we can find a log and there's a a device called an

01:52:54.180 atlatl there is the hammer toss the atlatl uh axe throwing and two other ones that i can't

01:53:04.900 remember right now and during that time i will have the kids with me and we will be doing a

01:53:10.300 kid's bloat and a kid's sumbo and a kid's craft because the viking games tend to take a long time

01:53:18.140 And after that, lunch, or maybe lunch is before that.

01:53:25.700 Another speaker.

01:53:27.720 There is a men's and women's group going on.

01:53:34.800 Dinner.

01:53:36.700 An auction that has some pretty amazing stuff that is going to be in it.

01:53:42.020 What else?

01:53:44.460 Sumble.

01:53:44.920 and then on sunday will basically be breakfast and a wayfarer's bloat and going home so it should be

01:53:56.220 a pretty awesome weekend oh and this year during the lc bloat james has talked to afa members from

01:54:02.300 around the world so at the same time that we're doing the lc bloat they're going to be doing their

01:54:07.320 own rituals to lc so it's going to be kind of cool to see how that all comes together so it's

01:54:12.420 to be pretty exciting stuff excellent so we have a few more questions generated and i'm going to

01:54:18.580 skip all the way ahead to the last question because i think it's important to address

01:54:22.740 no matt is not drinking a white claw uh i am drinking my second firestone mind haze double ipa

01:54:33.700 it is purple for some reason not sure why that is but it's delicious um

01:54:39.300 yeah anyways no i am not drinking a white claw only circumstance i would drink a white clause

01:54:47.940 if somebody handed me one uh free booze is the best booze so i anybody hands me a white claw i

01:54:54.500 will drink it but uh no that is i would i would not do that on this program lest you were here

01:55:00.420 and you handed me one um that said

01:55:07.380 okay so i knew this one would come up i hope you're prepared for this uh sarah five favorite

01:55:13.060 books and your favorite saga okay i am prepared for this we're going to start with

01:55:23.460 starship troopers which is is an awesome classic

01:55:27.940 the federal siege at ruby ridge by the weavers which is an amazing firsthand account of what

01:55:38.960 our government was capable of doing this is a recent book that i have found it's called the

01:55:44.940 healing home and it's by christina taylor she is married to someone that i i consider

01:55:52.380 um Matt would you say he's he's one of those pioneers of Austin True also Robert uh yeah he

01:56:00.220 was certainly he and he is the most interesting man I have ever spoken to hands down he has

01:56:07.240 definitely lived a life and he'll tell you about it for hours yes I I enjoy talking with him but

01:56:15.960 his wife wrote this book. They have a son with autism and it uses spirituality to help moms

01:56:24.760 of other special needs to find themselves in the middle of all this, what they do. So it's

01:56:31.080 called The Healing Home by her. And one, two, three, four. Northern Mysteries and Magic by

01:56:41.260 Freya Aswin. It is one of my favorite books for knowledge on ruins. And Project Ruin by Troy

01:56:52.220 Wisehart. Another really good one on all the different types of ruins and how to dwell deeper

01:56:58.940 in them. And let's see, that's five. And my favorite saga would have to be the Volsung.

01:57:06.880 just because it is all our segas are really cool but this one it's like a soap opera there's so

01:57:15.580 much stuff going on in this it is it is incredible a man man sleeps with his sister has a baby with

01:57:21.720 him a mom kills her children because they're they're weak it just it reminds me of a modern

01:57:28.100 day soap opera and you learn a lot from it absolutely um no i think the volks volsung saga

01:57:37.700 is great i think the nibbling lead which is the high medieval german telling of the same saga

01:57:46.580 is really interesting and comparing the two is is awesome those are definitely some of my favorites

01:57:51.460 as well um i didn't know that uh the tailors had written a book about that um that's really

01:57:59.860 interesting i want to learn more about that um shay asks any siggerheim updates will there be

01:58:08.900 drinking water or any facilities present as soon as july also wondered what the heroes would be

01:58:15.140 represented at uh freeshoff and tiershoff so i am told that there will be drinking water available

01:58:25.700 by july we'll see if there's not we'll have a bunch of bottled water and stuff for people to use

01:58:32.420 it's going to be pretty rustic not going to lie we don't have our facilities there yet but what

01:58:36.820 we are going to do is get a big pavilion tent set up where the great hall will eventually be

01:58:44.180 and we're also going to get a big tent set up where tiershoff will eventually be

01:58:49.540 and we'll use those there will be tables and chairs we encourage people to bring chairs as

01:58:56.420 well if we can there's also we'll figure out um some porta potties i think we'll try to do like

01:59:03.460 two porta potties just in case that'll be on site though for sure and other than that it's going to

01:59:12.020 be camping or figuring out your own accommodations and that's that's factored in uh shane knows what

01:59:19.540 i'm talking about though because he was one of the first people out there with us when we when

01:59:24.500 we first got it when we had our first event there in july or in january and so yeah that's that's

01:59:30.900 what we're going to have on site we're going to be doing you know potluck kind of food there for

01:59:35.940 saturday and we'll get that that all figured but yeah it's gonna it's gonna be rough it's gonna

01:59:42.820 be rustic camping for folks that want to so please dress and pack accordingly but it's gonna be

01:59:49.620 awesome and i'm really really looking forward to it uh one of the big things we're looking forward

01:59:54.580 to do is uh get out there and do some work on the cemetery that's there so it turns out um there's

02:00:02.980 a very old family cemetery that's on the property and it actually has a revolutionary war veteran

02:00:09.220 who's who's buried there so we're going to try to take care of that as we do with you know with

02:00:14.980 our stuff we want to take care of that site and repair anything we need to repair replace things

02:00:20.420 that might need to be replaced and i plan to bring my mother's ashes and her tombstones already down

02:00:26.820 there in the state of tennessee we'll get that over there and i'd like to put her her ashes to

02:00:31.540 rest there as well um and the last question that we have currently

02:00:43.940 how do we participate in the lc bloat from afar and what time and date sarah what can

02:00:50.260 you tell us about it um the bloat at lc fest will be around 11 a.m central standard time

02:00:59.700 Elsie fast tends to run pretty close on time, but then some things do happen. So it'll be around that time. So wherever you are, whether it's just you, yourself, or if you're around a group of people, just raise a horn to Elsie or have a little ritual to her.

02:01:16.640 I see James in the chat suggested calling upon Odin and raising a horn to the folk mother.

02:01:24.000 Take a picture of it, share it with some way with either me and James, and we'll put it in the video that we'll put together for Elsie Fest.

02:01:35.980 All right, there you have it.

02:01:37.280 And if everybody has like a, you know, we're going to be trying to do that at 11.

02:01:41.520 um i'd say for good measure if you want to make sure that you're hitting it at the same time we

02:01:50.040 are make sure you're doing something by 1105 1110 um but i just probably aim for doing something at

02:02:00.760 1105 but i will be there and i will do my best to make sure we are we are making it happen right at

02:02:07.940 11. I will be obnoxious if I need to, because it'll be cool if we can synchronize this as

02:02:13.440 best as we can. It would be. I think we are about out of questions, but I see one question from

02:02:21.180 James. Has Elsie had any influence on anyone else in the world? I'm sure she has. Specifically,

02:02:32.380 I think James wants me to mention the Odinistas in Spain. James has talked to the leader of them

02:02:43.200 and I don't know a lot about them. But at one point, their Wikipedia page claimed they had

02:02:53.120 10,000 members. So I don't know what that's all about. They have a beautiful stone area

02:03:01.960 I don't know if they call it a hof or a temple.

02:03:06.800 It is absolutely gorgeous.

02:03:08.660 And they have a memorial to Elsie Christensen there.

02:03:12.000 At some point in Elsie's life while she was living in the United States,

02:03:16.560 they had reached out to her and asked for her permission to practice Odinism.

02:03:23.460 And she gave it to them.

02:03:25.840 I don't know why that was a thing.

02:03:27.360 There isn't a lot written on that.

02:03:28.820 if James is on, he could probably talk about it more, but that's what I know.

02:03:39.460 So, yeah, and I know very little bit about it either. I've been talking to James about it,

02:03:45.500 And I know that it exists over there.

02:03:54.020 Comunidad de Odinista España.

02:03:57.640 And it would be awesome if they have 10,000 members.

02:04:02.400 That would be fantastic.

02:04:04.360 Highly skeptical of that number.

02:04:07.720 But yeah, their connection with the folk mother is very important to them.

02:04:12.400 and they have a really cool and you can find this on I don't know the address of it paganplaces.com

02:04:22.900 maybe Nick can figure that out before the end of our broadcast I don't know but they're a place

02:04:27.660 that lists our Hoffs as well and they have a really neat like stone ritual area that they

02:04:33.780 have set up and a really cool um stone like altar thing for the folk mother that has the

02:04:41.500 odinus logo on it it's really neat uh it sounds like go ahead they also have a facebook page

02:04:48.300 that is incredibly active and a very beautiful website um obviously it's in spanish but you can

02:04:55.100 translate it there you go and you know i don't officially endorse it because i don't know

02:05:00.380 stuff about it i always see over on the side i did in fact neglect to answer all of your questions

02:05:05.900 shay i apologize about that um so phrasehoff i don't know that's the discussion we're gonna

02:05:15.260 have to have with phrasehoff leadership when we get closer to getting that happening um

02:05:22.940 i know who it will not be it will not be a thaneric the king of the goths because that will be at

02:05:29.420 tiershoff um and i think that hits the last of our questions sarah you've been aware of all we've

02:05:40.540 talked about tonight and all the questions that have been asked what else do people need to know

02:05:46.140 about the folk mother elsie christensen sometimes when we talk about the pioneers of the past um

02:05:55.900 we think of them as as something far away in in the past we forget that they are real people

02:06:04.640 and i think it's very important especially with elsie but all our heroes all the people we do

02:06:12.240 remember in states too that they were real flesh and blood people just like your relatives just

02:06:17.740 like your mom and dad and they should be treated and honored as such and i think that is a very

02:06:23.580 important thing to remember as we as we talk about them and we speak their name out loud

02:06:31.260 that that is important they are real and they were humans and and they're just like you and me

02:06:37.980 so it's really i'm really glad that you said that um we have another question that popped up and

02:06:45.260 we'll get to it but in also true we have people that are obsessed with history be it viking history

02:06:58.860 or history of different time periods this draws a lot of people that are very fascinated by history

02:07:04.380 It is imperative that when we study history, we realize that these people are real people.

02:07:17.460 When we celebrate acts of violence, we need to remember this was violence inflicted on actual human beings.

02:07:26.360 when we celebrate warriors they felt the same fears and the same hurt and the same struggle

02:07:37.360 that any modern warrior would face they certainly had a different social context for it but these

02:07:45.160 things are hard to do we look at heroes and the further back in time it's as if they're characters

02:07:50.320 They're not. They're actual people who have the same pieces that you and I have the same brain that you and I have different cultural context.

02:08:04.320 Absolutely. But they went through the same struggles that we did.

02:08:11.320 did. Their acts of greatness and their acts of heroism that earned them that place of honor

02:08:17.700 aren't because they are superhuman. It's because they are human and they willed themselves to rise

02:08:27.240 to super levels. They went through the same struggles that we all face and they were able

02:08:34.320 to overcome. But realizing that and realizing the difficulty that is for a real flesh and blood

02:08:43.080 person, as opposed to a pretend hero, is essential. Their heroism isn't just in the fact that they were

02:08:53.500 amazing. It was in the fact that they were regular and chose to become amazing through hard work,

02:09:02.640 through dedication through boldness through through whatever method they ascended to something

02:09:10.000 beyond what you and i are because of their willpower because of their determination to do

02:09:17.600 so and that's what we're celebrating yes um and we are all capable of that because you have to

02:09:24.960 remember as you're living your life every day we are our future ancestors someday that could be us

02:09:32.320 they're talking about maybe not on that magnitude but we are important to the ones that come after

02:09:38.480 us because we will be the ancestors you know hell maybe maybe of that magnitude

02:09:47.440 don't sell yourself short that's the thing

02:09:51.840 heroism is about overcoming

02:09:57.840 we all start wherever we start

02:09:59.920 but heroism through ascension is about becoming more than you are through your deeds and your

02:10:11.340 deeds are a reflection of your will are you able to overcome your circumstance we talked

02:10:18.180 with witness fawn a few weeks ago about orlog some of us are dealt a crappy hand some of us

02:10:25.300 have more or different things to overcome. But whether or not

02:10:30.160 you achieve heroism, or ascension, can you overcome the

02:10:35.680 hand you were dealt? Can you be more than that? The answer is

02:10:39.740 yes, you can. Will you? That's up to you. But that potential,

02:10:45.980 that seed of greatness is inherent in our folk.

02:10:55.300 So the next question, Sarah, what's the best way for women to participate in Ausitru?

02:11:02.100 Thank you.

02:11:03.400 To show up, to come with your significant other, to come on your own, show up and look

02:11:11.760 to the examples of the women that are already there.

02:11:14.900 I had mentioned that my first experience with the AFA was the Northern Blood Kindred and

02:11:20.540 Jessica Hansen and Githya Anaclord.

02:11:23.840 honestly when I went up there I expected it to be like like other events that I had been to where

02:11:31.800 the women are in the kitchen and the men are out there bloating and doing whatever men do

02:11:36.560 and it wasn't like that at all we were active participants at one point during the bloat

02:11:42.680 which I had never experienced a group bloat before other than you know we had had our family bloats

02:11:50.160 but I had never experienced that before.

02:11:53.940 And Anna handed me the bowl and like, I want you to do the blessing.

02:11:58.680 And I was like, oh my goodness.

02:12:00.480 And it was just such a powerful thing from everything from the women blessing

02:12:04.360 the horn to Anna running the ceremony to us all being a part of it.

02:12:11.000 It was amazing thing.

02:12:12.240 So show up and you will be welcomed and you will be talked through it if

02:12:18.080 you've never experienced before.

02:12:20.160 And it is worth it because you have a place in Ossetru too.

02:12:31.000 So that's really important.

02:12:35.120 One of the most special things that I've seen in Ossetru in the last few years,

02:12:48.680 certainly in the last time my time as I was Harry Goethe, but this was going on before that.

02:12:57.600 The women and the families. I first got involved in Alistair True in 2001 and maybe even 2002.

02:13:09.280 And at that time, even at that relatively late date,

02:13:12.400 a lot of dudes. It was a lot of guys and maybe their Wiccan girlfriend or something they might

02:13:23.320 bring around. A lot of guys. In the last 20 years, we've seen it be about families, about the whole

02:13:35.400 folk, about our elders, about children. We have been so blessed with children in the AFA over

02:13:43.460 the last seven years, and I am so thankful for that. Sarah mentioned at the top of the show

02:13:52.000 about the generational aspect of Ausatrim. And at Otenshoff, we have a family now that

02:13:59.340 they're bringing up their young children, and those young children are third generation

02:14:05.220 afa and that that's what we're doing that's what we're building is our future um sarah also

02:14:13.700 mentioned about our homeschool pro program the austral academy um we just are we're winding down

02:14:21.620 here on the last days of our kindergarten program for that very first year and that's been amazing

02:14:29.940 uh that's been great for parents and for those children and we're so excited we're going to have

02:14:35.220 registration open up for kindergarten through third grade for this fall and that's going to be

02:14:42.620 huge we've got so many people interested already please if you are interested if you have children

02:14:48.140 who are going to be you know going into kindergarten through third grade please consider

02:14:54.160 signing them up with the astro academy it does mean you have to be members of the afa it's

02:14:59.280 important for us to control our curriculum that the kids are in families that are officially afa

02:15:05.100 members. But it's something I'm so proud of. And it is less sparkly and eye-catching than each of

02:15:14.620 our new Hoffs. But it is more important than each of those Hoffs individually, the fact that we now

02:15:20.820 have a program to homeschool our children and to raise the next generation of AFA members.

02:15:27.260 Watching the family involvement and having my own family involved in the AFA

02:15:31.860 is such an amazing, amazing thing. And it wasn't the norm just 20 years ago,

02:15:38.680 but it is now. And I'm, we're so blessed to have that.

02:15:45.740 Next question. And we keep trickling in these questions here. Have you all signed into the

02:15:52.140 Folkmothers Gravesite website? So I'm assuming that James is talking about on Find a Grave.

02:15:58.100 if he is nick i sent you the address to her spot where you leave flowers on the find a grave

02:16:06.360 so if you can throw that up there i know many of you have i have um yeah go by and show anybody

02:16:15.400 who looks that the people care and it's a nice little free thing you can do to just show your

02:16:22.980 appreciation and do something nice for Elsie. And I appreciate you mentioning that, James. That's a

02:16:30.160 really easy thing for people to do, but it's an important thing. It's a nice thing.

02:16:38.820 So I don't speak this, but I'm going to do my best.

02:16:47.060 uh question sarah have you played niftoffle

02:16:55.380 uh there is a digital app version in real life

02:17:00.740 oh okay have you played niftoffle digital app version or in real life with a kinsman have you

02:17:06.340 ever played that sir no i never have i i'm not really sure what that one is so it's the chess

02:17:14.340 It's the proto chess.

02:17:16.540 Oh, okay.

02:17:17.540 I've watched people play it.

02:17:20.060 Where you've got the game on the inside and then you have people coming in from the outside.

02:17:26.560 I am currently undefeated at that game.

02:17:30.060 Just putting that out there.

02:17:32.380 My amazing undefeated win-loss record is I have won one.

02:17:37.680 I have lost zero.

02:17:38.740 But I'm going to still claim it as being undefeated because it's true.

02:17:43.380 Um, so yeah, and if, uh, if anybody wants to challenge me at, uh, Elsie Fest, don't sing

02:17:51.080 it, bring it.

02:17:53.380 Um, this is an interesting question.

02:17:59.360 We do have one more question that popped up.

02:18:01.680 This isn't related to Elsie, but I have a question.

02:18:04.820 What is one word that you would use to sum up Odin?

02:18:09.960 Sarah, what's one word you'd use to sum up Odin?

02:18:13.380 wise

02:18:15.300 uh ecstasy is the word i would use that's my one word that would sum up odin um and not

02:18:30.420 not in a strange interpretation of it but the ecstatic state that one gets through through

02:18:38.340 spirituality. I've mentioned this before, but the coolest thing as a Goethe is seeing

02:18:43.780 when all of a sudden people have that moment where this is real and they're in a place where

02:18:50.880 their eyes are as wide as plates and they're in literally an ecstatic state because the gods have

02:18:59.560 become real to them. And you can't count on seeing that every time, but seeing that those moments,

02:19:06.560 That is ecstasy, and that's the word that most symbolizes the All-Father to me.

02:19:17.000 So next question, and I'm just looking on the side in the chat here.

02:19:20.660 I know I'm kind of up-jumping Nick on the questions here, but that's okay.

02:19:25.900 What's y'all's favorite board game?

02:19:29.820 Mine is Pinta.

02:19:33.100 i have no idea what that is uh shay but i'm curious to hear about it um blocus is also

02:19:40.380 fun again another game i've never heard of sarah what's your favorite board game

02:19:44.460 i enjoy playing trivial pursuit um we used to play a lot of monopoly in our household with

02:19:54.220 the older children but that got banned from the house because that board got tossed across

02:20:00.220 the room too many times so i like trivial pursuit it's good game um i also really like this game

02:20:09.180 called taboo and it's one of those you know you've get a you're trying to get your partner to guess

02:20:15.900 a word and you've got certain words under it you can't use it's kind of like pictionary but with

02:20:20.940 words i'm all about it but i get really intense um i feel bad because me and my friends used to

02:20:28.380 get together and have board game night all the time me and my buddy adam we would just dominate

02:20:34.140 if we were on a team we would destroy people but man on taboo i don't care about anybody's feelings

02:20:39.260 i go hard i get the i get people to answer the questions but i may not make a lot of

02:20:43.420 friends on it because i go hard on the taboo um and i think that officially is our last question

02:20:52.140 of the night sarah thank you so much for joining us i am looking forward to seeing you here

02:21:00.380 probably not till friday morning but uh yeah i'm very much looking forward to seeing you

02:21:05.740 thank you so much for coming on and talking about the folk mother but beyond that thank

02:21:10.700 you so very much for honoring elsie and being such a driving force in that we really appreciate it

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02:22:14.060 it's been fantastic to talk with all of you i hope you guys have an amazing night

02:22:20.140 and until next time heal the gods heal the folk

02:22:24.220 hail the afa and remember victory never sleeps

02:22:54.220 We'll be right back.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - May 25, 2023

5⧸24⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 46 - Else Christensen

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