Asatru Folk Assembly - 5⧸29⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 99 - Hárbarðsljóð, Part 1

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00:03:28.080 Oh, hello folks, and welcome to another Victory Never Sleeps. I wasn't quite sure if we were on yet or not. As we are, we're moving along in the next series. We're following the Bellows translations from the website voluspau.org.

00:03:50.060 If you're able to follow along with us, please, by all means, go to that website and you can follow along there.

00:04:01.240 If you have any other translations and you want to bring some stuff up from any of the other translations, we highly welcome it.

00:04:08.580 We have no particular preference of translations other than personal preferences, but from a studying and theosophical standpoint, we open all of them, and we're moving into an interesting one.

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00:13:37.100 going to kind of see how it goes sometimes with the questions over on the side on what we answer

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00:13:52.060 specifically lore based or about the lore that we're talking about until i don't know until we

00:13:58.460 take a break or until we're done with the lore we're going to cover for the night so

00:14:02.860 So hang on.

00:14:04.920 If you don't hear your question, get answered.

00:14:07.420 We will get to it.

00:14:09.580 It just may take until we're at a convenient stopping point or until we end the show.

00:14:16.960 But we look forward to those, and we appreciate everybody who asks questions in that way.

00:14:22.760 It's an important part of what we do.

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00:14:27.820 You may think that your question, I don't know, you may hesitate or think it's dumb.

00:14:32.500 whatever you might think and it might be i don't know the point i don't know until i see it but

00:14:37.620 one thing that happens though is sometimes things that you're thinking that you don't say there's

00:14:42.660 probably a lot of other people thinking too and so when we get when we get questions even when

00:14:48.020 sometimes we repeat ourselves on stuff people who haven't heard it before get to hear it for

00:14:52.660 the first time and i think that does help people hope so anyway um as always we are going over the

00:15:00.900 bellows translation of this particular particular edic poem um nick threw up a link there for the

00:15:12.100 one the website that uh witness fawn and i will be referencing so take a second and get that loaded

00:15:20.660 up and if you have a different translation or whatever you'd like to use we certainly welcome

00:15:24.580 that they may put things in a little bit different way and kind of add a different angle on it

00:15:30.900 i think that's good i got this nagging feeling like there's another

00:15:42.100 another thing to mention but if i figure it out throughout the program i will

00:15:46.520 take advantage oh um we never know how to really forecast whether we're going to make it all the

00:15:53.400 way through one of these in one episode or whether we're going to do it over a series of episodes

00:15:57.380 so we'll see where the night takes us no matter where it takes us though we're gonna have a

00:16:02.340 special episode for you guys next week that's going to be the 100th episode of victory never

00:16:07.280 sleeps we've got some different stuff planned for that we're looking forward to

00:16:14.020 i don't know getting a lot of different folks on who maybe some for the first time maybe certainly

00:16:21.200 folks we've had on before to come on and celebrate and talk to you guys and answer questions and

00:16:27.320 enjoy our 100th episode so that'll be one week from today it's hard to believe it's

00:16:34.040 already been on 99 episodes tonight um that's fantastic i appreciate you guys being here for

00:16:41.020 it and being such a big big part of this um some of this the lord provides us stuff to talk about

00:16:49.400 but a lot of the time it's y'all's questions and engagement that really

00:16:53.420 make this show as uh immersive for the audiences as it is so thank you guys for that um

00:17:03.420 with with that i am i am ready swan are you ready to i am ready i have the background you may need

00:17:16.300 before we dive in?

00:17:18.800 I have chat coming in from our Gothar

00:17:22.980 doing a separate discussion over in the organization,

00:17:28.360 and it's pinging every time it comes up.

00:17:30.740 So now I'm like, oh, no.

00:17:32.140 And I don't know how to actually turn that volume down

00:17:35.340 specifically without turning all the volume down.

00:17:37.880 So this is going to be interesting.

00:17:39.800 Please excuse me if you hear a ping.

00:17:42.520 And also, too, the jets are out flying tonight,

00:17:45.260 So there might be an odd kind of background noise.

00:17:50.920 That's them.

00:17:51.920 They're flying around my house.

00:17:53.820 So there is that as far as logistics go.

00:18:00.040 The story, on the other hand, very, very interesting story to come into.

00:18:05.640 I think first off, most people need to realize it's going to be short.

00:18:10.340 It's going to be chaotic.

00:18:12.180 It's going to be all over the place.

00:18:13.460 It's going to get really, really interesting. This is one of those poems that really does not follow the formats of the other poems or the encyclopedic poems.

00:18:30.140 This is going to really, really work on our movie here. Let me see.

00:18:37.300 Just shut it down.

00:18:39.980 Yeah, it keeps coming up on notifications.

00:18:41.920 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Just kill it in the background via Teams app.

00:18:47.920 Let me see. Yeah. Hopefully without losing anything, there's no... 0.96

00:18:53.920 Let's see if we can close that. Not that. Wrong one.

00:18:58.920 Do some tech support live, sir.

00:19:01.920 All right. Let's see if it comes back on or not.

00:19:06.920 All right.

00:19:08.920 Yeah. So, um, yeah, cause I have my, uh, my team's, um, uh, chat in the background going off and apparently it's decided to ping every time, uh, someone makes a comment. So that is going to be interesting. Even though the window's not up, um, it's just notifying me and letting me know.

00:19:29.540 seriously i see you over in the chat just throwing this out there before we get going you should

00:19:35.860 absolutely come to sigra blood at sigraheim i would love to see you there i'd love to see you

00:19:41.740 and your family there if you can it's fantastic it's a really cool spot we'd love to have you

00:19:46.560 there so if you can do it you should absolutely make that happen anyway back to our program

00:19:51.980 Svon, first and foremost, Haurbarth's Leodh, what does that mean?

00:20:00.240 Okay, it is the song, Leodh is a song or a recitation, reciting of, or the story of Haurbarth.

00:20:13.340 Haur Barth is the long beard or high beard or one of high station beard.

00:20:26.300 It is, in essence, much as Lord Odin is referred to as Haur, the high one, Haurbarth is the high beard or the wise beard, the one that has been around for a long time.

00:20:44.340 and uh oftentimes it's called the the gray beard uh the story of gray beard or the story of the

00:20:52.900 ferryman and thor you might see that again like with uh like oftentimes with uh thor and giant

00:20:59.060 land and so on and so forth the the common um name being uh you know uh thor and the gray beard

00:21:09.460 or the ferryman um this is an interesting one for a couple of reasons one it really emphasizes some

00:21:18.340 uh of the nordic branch having uh its own um connections to pan-arianism that are sometimes

00:21:28.260 very very clear um the other is is that it kind of shows some connections to elsewhere specifically

00:21:40.740 in the european proper so i just to kind of back it up one of the things that is really important

00:21:46.820 for the audience to to remember when we talk about and we have talked about the tripartite

00:21:52.180 And we talk about the dominions or the thrones of the tripartite and how, say, the Nordic branch saw the dynamic throne as the most important.

00:22:06.880 and there Lord Odin sits, the catalystic throne.

00:22:12.460 And of course, they're oftentimes pan-Aryan European.

00:22:18.080 The striker often always is in the catalystic throne, 0.94

00:22:24.320 except when we get to like the Romans and the Greeks.

00:22:28.840 And then we have the stasis throne.

00:22:31.120 And in this case, we see something between

00:22:35.280 what would ultimately be the dynamic throne and the catalystic throne. And that's what we're

00:22:41.520 looking at here with Odin in disguise and Thor coming to cross a river. Now, I've heard some

00:22:52.580 crazy hypothesis coming out of people recently saying that, no, this isn't Odin, this is Loki.

00:23:00.500 And I think these hypotheses are kind of pushed by some scholastic people of the late 1800s and early 1900s. And I think they're really trying to shoot in the dark at this.

00:23:18.320 And I think it's one of the most preposterous theories because if, and this is just something I would recommend everybody write down to take a look at, is one of the major things, this poem reflects a similar story in one of our Aryan cousins myth cycle. 0.68

00:23:36.480 And it is specifically the Slobs. In Rodonovary, there is a huge battle or adversarial struggle between Perun, the striker, and Veles, the lord of magic, death, and he has the ability to turn himself into a serpent and all of those things.

00:23:59.640 So I believe that much like the Nordic stories like the Volsunga sagas that reflect happenings in Germany and having characters like Attlee, who is Attila, the stories are not only encapsulated in the Nordic realm.

00:24:22.220 They clearly have many connections to the mainland. And I think that this story in particular mirrors the Slavic struggle between the striker and the dynamic of the Slavs that I would argue that this seems to be a story that has come up the Volga River, Baltic side.

00:24:47.140 And by the time it was recorded in the late 12th century, 13th century, it's reflective of that.

00:24:57.960 And it's also really worth remembering that in all Aryan branches, the struggle of the catalystic throne, Thor, Perun, Tyrannus of the Gauls, or Hercules in that form,

00:25:18.400 um about the the the concept of dealing with the dynamic throne the concept of dealing with

00:25:25.840 um going into the underworld or actually the lack thereof um the catalystic uh throne

00:25:34.540 always in it doesn't matter what branch seems to not tread into the underworld which is another

00:25:42.260 reason why I kind of took a gripe against some folks suggesting that all the gods, like, go down

00:25:50.060 into the underworld, because one of the big ones is that the Lord of heaven and earth, the striker,

00:25:57.220 you know, it's, he doesn't de-sanctify himself by stepping into the place that has no order,

00:26:03.780 that has no time, and that's pretty prevalent throughout all of the, unless he changes his

00:26:10.340 form. The Slavs do have a story where he goes into the underworld in the form of a baby,

00:26:15.660 but that's technically not him in a sense. And that the earth or the, say the under earth,

00:26:23.880 the place away from time could draw away the power of the catalystic throne. So that's kind

00:26:32.220 of what's playing here is we, I think that this is a reflection of that story that has influenced

00:26:39.640 and come up into the nordic and um you can kind of see a lot of that um in the stories i've often

00:26:47.480 wondered about like how much gaulish or celtic stuff has influenced or come up as well um i know

00:26:54.120 you see it more in the sagas than you do say in the adas but um you know look looking into some

00:27:00.680 of that as well um this is about thor coming from the eastern lands and he's making his way over a

00:27:10.200 river um oh that actually uh there's a story in the slavic where uh perun comes to a river he ends up

00:27:19.640 splitting the river um on his own accord but again the catalystic lord coming to liminal spaces

00:27:27.480 uh coming over water coming over rivers and passing through rivers is a common aryan mythos

00:27:36.380 um kind of challenge or or story set that happens um in all the branches of the europeans especially

00:27:46.300 um so in this case thor is coming to a river and he's transferring in between two worlds and there

00:27:54.020 is a ferryman there and the ferryman, uh, is belligerent to him. He, he ends up, um, kind of

00:28:01.160 trying to command the ferryman to come over and the ferryman refuses. And then there is an exchange

00:28:06.440 of insults. That's another thing worth noting is that, um, as opposed to say, describing some sort

00:28:14.560 of, you know, power transfer or a kind of, again, a fight or, um, an adversarial challenging,

00:28:21.360 This one is done in the quintessential Nordic style. One of the biggest forms of fighting back then was, of course, in poetic slurs or poetic insults at each other, and those that could tell or look back on past grievances and be able to convincingly lay them out.

00:28:50.140 We see a little bit of this in Beowulf with, I believe, Wundferth, and we also see it again in Lokasana and also in the sagas in which scalds or bards would trade these kind of poetic jabs at each other. 0.93

00:29:15.440 And that is 100% what's going on here. It's appealing to the popularity of what was going on at the time, as far as your audience getting into it. This was because the audience was very much into watching Scalds trade these barbs. So that's really what this story is reflecting.

00:29:39.400 it's important um it would be really cool if gothar from i don't know 200 300 years prior

00:29:55.400 had written all these things down as instructional religious texts

00:30:01.880 but that's not the form it came to us

00:30:03.880 it's very often the recitation of stories clean sometimes it's done as a way to teach stories to

00:30:15.400 new you know new and upcoming storytellers sometimes it's done as a lesson in meter and

00:30:23.560 poetic verse sometimes it comes like this but the thing is in all of those tellings and all of those

00:30:31.760 pieces like chunks of truth are thrown at you there's truths expressed there's things learned

00:30:42.960 and referenced that help you understand the other stories that are maybe less you know

00:30:51.760 maybe more overtly representing our lore um so you don't need to literally you know why

00:30:59.200 wonder why odin and thor are getting in a petty you know disc contest like rap battle across the

00:31:07.360 the thing that's not the point the point is the setting the point is the

00:31:18.080 bits of information back and forth the clues to identity the

00:31:22.480 the, all the detail work in there is the point. So, you know, mine, it, it, our lore takes

00:31:32.840 a little bit of effort. And it's really kind of special that way, because there's often

00:31:39.840 so many layers to it. So, are we ready to start?

00:31:45.900 yeah i think we are i i um i just yeah i wanted to emphasize too that a lot of folks out there

00:31:54.940 that are trying to say or twisting the the the uh story to kind of rationalize it no this can't be

00:32:02.860 lord oh then this has to be um loki uh is is a stretch that i really really was like whoa

00:32:11.100 where is this like uh it's it's kind of a it's again what we call about pigeonholing the gods

00:32:18.060 it's about kind of formulating the gods into the holes we want and instead of simply looking around

00:32:24.220 and seeing the reflection of the adversarial tones especially between um the striker or the

00:32:31.900 catalystic and the dynamic lords of the slavic branch so highly recommend people look that up

00:32:38.780 and don't take to um i think some some more of the fanciful um ideas that seem to be floating around

00:32:45.660 out there uh so um for anybody that's been watching the vns you know that a lot of these um stories

00:33:00.060 kind of come out with a little primer uh some longer than others this one is very very short

00:33:05.260 before okay before we get into it and i know i just kind of kicked in the spurs but

00:33:10.700 um a couple people to acknowledge first uh ronald blake as always donated fifty dollars to

00:33:19.100 uh a folk services mission that we're working on right now we appreciate that thank you so much

00:33:25.900 Sarah gave us $25, says, hail the AFA and those loyal to it. Indeed. And thank you very much.

00:33:35.940 We appreciate it. And Gilbert donated $50 also to help that family in our folk services.

00:33:43.060 So thank you very much. We appreciate you. With that, let's get into it.

00:33:49.660 Yeah, I see people like suggesting that the Gothar need to have insulting rap battles when we meet.

00:33:55.900 um yeah again sometimes it is it is about lore and this in this case though it's it's about kind

00:34:06.400 of little easter eggs as the insults fly um and it becomes pretty interesting and it does

00:34:12.460 also paint some conceptions of um masculinity uh about magic there's a lot of these things are

00:34:22.600 going to be seen in this story, and we can kind of expound on those. But starting out,

00:34:32.640 Thor was on his way back from a journey in the east. He's coming from Jotheim. He's coming from

00:34:41.000 the middle world, the middle range. He's coming from the place that exudes dissipation and 1.00

00:34:48.200 resistance and often takes from the middle world. Um, and he came to a sound on the other side of 0.97

00:34:56.300 the sound, uh, sound being a land, uh, um, a type of, you know, like a, a sound or like a bay or a,

00:35:06.720 a large wide river. Um, on the other side of the sound was a ferryman with a boat and Thor called

00:35:16.720 out. Who is the fellow yonder on the farther shore of the sound? The ferryman spoke.

00:35:31.480 What kind of a peasant is yawn that calls o'er the bay? So now we have two uses of the, 0.96

00:35:38.660 He's using the, you know, sound and bay.

00:35:45.760 And of course, these are like usages of the river or the inlet that they've come to.

00:35:55.220 Thor speaks.

00:35:57.500 Ferry me over the sound.

00:36:00.220 I will feed thee, therefore, in the morning.

00:36:03.020 A basket I have on my back, and food therein none better. At leisure I ate, ere the house I left, of herring and porridge, so plenty I have.

00:36:17.940 So, a couple of things with this one is, this is not the only story of Lord Thor carrying a basket on his back.

00:36:30.600 If anybody is familiar with Lord of the Rings, the Elf Lord Aranduil comes from the Nordic story of Thor carrying Arvindal on his back.

00:36:46.760 And that's an interesting story.

00:36:50.180 We'll save that for another time.

00:36:51.580 But it's mentioned before about the basket on his back.

00:36:58.640 And he's saying, you know, I've eaten lightly at the hall that I was at and was gifted with much food for my trip.

00:37:07.760 So I have plenty to share.

00:37:09.560 So ferry me over and I'll feed you for the morning.

00:37:19.240 And the ferryman speaks again in number four.

00:37:22.320 Of thy morning feats art thou proud, but the future thou knowest not wholly.

00:37:27.140 doleful thine home coming is thy mother me thinks is dead

00:37:32.580 so this is where it starts to get

00:37:36.780 interesting there you have to bear in mind that i think this is a huge reflection of the slavic

00:37:49.820 stories but it's also not meant to be entirely true and it starts off that way so it's it's not

00:37:58.140 one of those lore poems where you can say oh well you know harvard said that uh thor's mother uh

00:38:06.700 is is dead um you know a yard the uh the progenitor of or i mean the uh yes the progenitor of

00:38:15.340 of many of the the vanir and uh of frigga and um that she's dead and uh some people have also read

00:38:27.020 into this that it might mean that the the earth is is no longer uh fruitful or that he's somehow

00:38:33.500 failing in his duties that's a fair enough yet but it's just worth noting that not everything

00:38:40.060 that's to be said is 100 true and that's the play on the insulting game the game is built around

00:38:49.340 whether or not you can make people believe it to be true by how well you wordcraft your insults

00:38:56.780 and so bear that in mind um how about the the gray bearded um

00:39:04.060 is rolling out pretty heavy with mom jokes right out the gate

00:39:10.060 um so yeah he says you know you're so proud of your feats but you won't be proud much longer

00:39:21.700 when you finally get home you're gonna find out that your mother is dead and um

00:39:26.480 and your your your boastfulness will drain out of you thor speaks in in verse five he says uh

00:39:34.620 now hast thou said what to each must seem the mightiest of griefs that my mother is dead

00:39:42.440 so i mean that's pretty straightforward he's just saying you're telling me what is clearly

00:39:50.240 a a baleful news for any man to find out that his mother has passed um

00:39:58.280 and that's kind of also denoting the idea like wow the the gloves they're off right out the gate

00:40:07.420 and that sets the tone for what what's going to be going on here um

00:40:13.520 in uh verse six the ferryman speaks three good dwellings methinks thou hast not barefoot thou

00:40:24.960 standest, and wearest a beggar's dress, not even hose dost thou have. A couple of things there.

00:40:34.580 One, people have proposed the idea that this might be some sort of reflection of a class

00:40:40.880 argument between the warrior class or the kingly priestly class and the workman's class

00:40:52.660 because of the referencing to him being a peasant.

00:40:57.300 And I think that it's completely wrong.

00:40:59.560 Really what this is, is when you insult a warrior

00:41:02.840 by saying he's a simple peasant.

00:41:06.500 And the reason why, I mean, you might think,

00:41:08.600 you know, why would he be insulted by that?

00:41:11.720 It's because the dynamic of our ancestor society

00:41:16.600 was built around the idea that there are those who produce

00:41:19.200 and there are those who are willing to fight and die.

00:41:22.660 for the producers and to protect and expand and grow stronger and so that's where the the the

00:41:31.480 source of the the barb is is that oh you're not you're not um a warrior you're you're just a

00:41:38.380 simple farmer and so i think it's a class idea that some people have tried to interject in this

00:41:43.420 story is a little or greatly misplaced i would say

00:41:47.400 So in seven, Thor speaks out. He says, steer thou hither the boat and landing here shall I show thee, but who's the craft that thou keepest on the shore?

00:42:08.300 Oh, sorry. I wanted to address the hose comment from the earlier verse. It is worth remembering, too, a common way in which menfolk then, they would wear like woolen pants and socks that were attached together.

00:42:27.900 And they were often, in the Nordic style, were very, very tight, as opposed to, say, like the Moscow Easterner Northmen that wore oftentimes very large pants, kind of because of their influence with the Middle East.

00:42:46.480 um so the even to the point where they're actually still common in iceland to wear um

00:42:54.520 these woolen undergarments um because of the the rain and the snow and uh there's many stories of

00:43:02.400 sailors like dropping out of their boats and the only reason why they were saved was because of

00:43:06.820 these kind of woolen um I guess like hose uh I don't they're not pantyhose they're woolen

00:43:17.020 um if you're not into wool they're very very itchy but um the long johns the long johns perfect

00:43:23.200 yeah so these yeah um and he's saying you know you don't even have your basic level of clothing

00:43:29.920 Um, you know, you, you, you wear, you wear clothes like a beggar and you, you know, um, you don't even have, uh, you know, three good dwellings.

00:43:42.040 That part there is interesting because I think it refers predominantly to the common farm household of the central house or hall and the oftentimes the either the slave quarters or a like for the thralls or secondary usage house like for blacksmithing.

00:44:07.920 And then the third was oftentimes, you know, foodstuffs or where the, you know, water was kept and things like that. So the exact meaning as to why he said three good dwellings, methinks has not, does not denote that he fully has revealed that he knows he's talking to Lord Thor.

00:44:30.720 it's not specifically speaking of um halls that you don't you don't need to have a

00:44:38.080 a basic farmhouse with the with the the halls that it needs in order to function

00:44:45.680 um the ferryman speaks in eight he says

00:44:49.200 Hildolf is he who bade me have it. A hero wise, his home is at the Rathsi sound.

00:45:04.080 And it's translated in Old Norse as Rathsi yar sundi, the sound of Rathsi. He bade me

00:45:11.760 no robbers to steer and no stealers of steeds but only worthy men and those whom well do i know

00:45:21.080 say now thy name if over the sound that will fare so

00:45:28.280 i mean it's it's interesting this gives kind of a sense of location um

00:45:36.100 who is Wraithsea, it's not really known. It's simply just stated. And again, this is giving

00:45:47.340 context to the idea that the ferryman is in the service of someone nearby or that owns the land

00:45:58.020 around it. And that, you know, I'm not supposed to give anybody, just anybody a ride. So you can't

00:46:03.040 just call me over. And in nine, Thor speaks. Oh, my name indeed shall I tell, though in danger I am

00:46:16.940 and all my race. I am Odin's son, Miley's brother and Magni's father, the strong one of the gods

00:46:26.920 With Thor now speech canst thou get

00:46:30.180 And now would I know

00:46:32.660 What name thou hast

00:46:34.300 So a couple of things on this one too

00:46:38.880 First off, the detriment to his race

00:46:43.440 Speaking here, he's talking about 0.94

00:46:49.380 The threat, the ever-present threat 0.99

00:46:52.840 of the jotuns that that are seeking to besiege heaven and he is um talking about his stock he's

00:47:04.260 talking about his people um they're under and i think that this is one of those big

00:47:09.640 contentious points where uh people have a tendency to view jotuns as being

00:47:15.060 of like of a different race um even though lord odin's um mother and uncle um are prim thurser of

00:47:24.380 of uh of niflheim um it's because of the usage of this word that he he says of his of his race

00:47:36.020 Um, but it is of his people, um, that are in danger and he is, uh, Odin's son and Miley's brother. Now, Miley is an interesting one. There is some confusion about, uh, Miley and his, uh, his divine stature or whether or not he is divine.

00:47:59.580 um uh some folks believe that they're and it's kind of alluded to that maile may have been an

00:48:09.500 ascended um uh human and he is not mentioned in the list of the

00:48:15.420 icier um at all and he has very little mentioning outside of this um

00:48:21.660 as being the son of Lord Odin. And it doesn't really expound too much upon this.

00:48:36.560 And it kind of lends, I think, to many of the sons of Odin possibly being in the descendencies

00:48:46.360 of kings and i don't know if the significance of miley in relation to the fact that there might

00:48:52.280 have been um someone by that name who had claimed ascendant or descendancy from lord odin um and

00:48:59.640 that's another interesting one definitely if you're if you're writing notes down you know put a

00:49:03.400 question mark next to that take a look into that because that's a very interesting um little uh

00:49:09.960 segue to go off i want to kind of add something a little bit to the the concept of race to our

00:49:15.880 ancestors um as as our understanding of the world evolved as people those terms kind of broadened a

00:49:33.800 bit um whereas today when we think of the term race it's very large subsections of humanity

00:49:45.560 that share a common origin a common yeah common race and without without that's become what the

00:49:53.800 default is what we tend to think of other subsects within a race we think of as ethnicities um

00:50:03.560 oftentimes archaically europeans i think how to put this that's

00:50:15.560 they are they saw themselves as a very distinct thing and other what we would call different

00:50:23.780 races of people were very very different if they even knew of their existence so when they talked

00:50:30.600 about amongst the races of what they understood to be men they meant like different ethnicities

00:50:37.380 of europeans so very often you know they would talk about the saxon race or the uh you know

00:50:44.020 the the norse race or the the the german race or the you know the the gaulish race and

00:50:53.840 keeping that in mind that wasn't uncommon to you know take a a bride from one of these other

00:51:01.820 ethnicities and that be a thing much like our gods and the jotuns have obviously a very common

00:51:08.060 source they're the same of the same kind of substance they're even you know evolved from

00:51:13.900 the same ancestors but they are different groupings of the same what we would call race

00:51:22.220 but kind of to a degree different ethnicities in the sense that they're different categories of

00:51:28.460 being but they share that same common root that that bonds them together they're from the same

00:51:34.780 source as i mentioned the gods are you know descended from jodnar just like the

00:51:43.340 you know same jodnar that thor goes to the east of battle

00:51:50.060 yeah the um the usage of the word too is very interesting

00:51:53.660 the word edlis is what is mentioned in stanza nine on the second um on the second row thought

00:52:01.820 even though I'm in danger, I'm in danger or I'm threatened,

00:52:09.620 as well as the people who I am naturally connected to.

00:52:18.460 And that would imply, again, through marriage and through bonding.

00:52:24.200 Some of the interesting thing, the word edlis can be used in many different ways,

00:52:29.900 but uh it means by that of nature or that which is the correct and moral way of nature so for 0.92

00:52:36.540 someone to be um say against nature um let me see they would have uh uh let me see the endless

00:52:52.540 endless law or the the laws of nature and then there was um or the natural condition

00:52:59.420 or quality about which things come about the the native intelligence or um uh but there is an

00:53:09.340 i just had it here um and it means like ed lee and ed list is that of the nature of the thing

00:53:19.980 so men folk tribe folk are producers of children and that's what he's referencing to so i am a

00:53:27.660 natural product of my people i am a it would be the kind of the equivalency of what he's saying

00:53:33.420 um i am i am the production of what is normal amongst my folk which is to have children

00:53:39.660 and it's um you could also see it like in the usage of like um

00:53:44.220 uh the eagle's nature or the wolf's nature or the serpent's nature or or um the bull's nature

00:53:55.920 whatever it might be that's the usage of the word and i just saw here um

00:54:00.220 oh okay i see it's it wasn't the actual so it's it's not only you uh that which is against nature

00:54:10.980 and the origin or extraction from the normal and again too it's worth remembering that

00:54:16.820 the referencing of that which happens as nature is not that nature is completely open

00:54:25.060 and just subjective but that humans have a nature wolves have a nature and what the biggest

00:54:32.660 difference is again humans have morals you know we know that animals uh you know sometimes eat

00:54:37.620 their young or or um will even you know mate with their children simply because of like hormonal

00:54:44.260 sense we as humans know that's wrong so just because you know incest and uh emphasize you know

00:54:51.300 happens in nature doesn't mean that we should do it because it is not within our nature so and

00:54:57.940 that's important to note um you know svan has said nature in abundance of times to describe this

00:55:05.140 rightly so when you look at the root of nature it is the same root as nation

00:55:12.500 it is a people sharing a common origin and a common

00:55:24.180 a common or law as it were of what you know what defines their type and and i think that's one of

00:55:34.260 those things here and you also see that in even smaller groups where people are representing a

00:55:38.420 family or a clan like no that's not what my people do like we're you know of this kind of nature they

00:55:45.540 have individual characteristics that define them as a group and as a people but that's kind of a

00:55:52.420 side thing but it is relevant to so much of our lore and so much what we talk about and it's

00:55:58.740 it's important to note that the terms of groupings the world was much smaller and it

00:56:10.100 when they talk about distinctions they're talking about distinctions amongst white folks most often

00:56:15.300 there's very few references to people outside of that because there simply wasn't contact with

00:56:20.500 those people they weren't part of their world and their experience almost at all i think in

00:56:26.260 all of our lore that i'm aware there's very little reference to that other than

00:56:31.460 scraylings being you know the inhabitants they found in north america um talk to that the the

00:56:40.260 sami as well well and also blau mother uh blau mother is blue men and that's because there was

00:56:48.980 no like particular word for black it was just various shades of blue and so blau mother were

00:56:57.620 a reference to the people uh that were living in the sub-saharan but um many of them had come up

00:57:05.540 and because the the trade routes and um a lot of the the islamic world had already built slave routes

00:57:12.660 coming from those areas and bringing them up and over the saharan desert by the time the

00:57:17.780 the norsemen were there and they referred to these sub-saharan africans as blau mother

00:57:23.780 that's the thing when they're talking about you know these big differences in groupings of people

00:57:29.620 it's what today we consider very very small differences because the bigger differences we

00:57:36.420 know today is different races of people were like a whole different order of thing than what they 0.99

00:57:42.100 were used to and there was a much greater foreignness to that so it's kind of

00:57:52.100 you have to relate the terminology to what their world experience was not to

00:57:59.380 the diversity that we experience in 2024 and the one of the roots too of the word the the um the

00:58:07.300 word ethelis also has um similarities to othal so like ancestral land or the the nature of the land

00:58:16.660 around the folk um this of course is more speaking about the action of um building up through um

00:58:27.700 marriage and and and uh having children so i you know he is he is making it basically he's making

00:58:36.260 a nod towards the fact that the people he is talking about are the Aesir. Again, another kind 0.81

00:58:44.120 of funny little point to make, like he's kind of speaking about it mundanely. But then he says,

00:58:51.000 you know, I am this, I am Odin's son, I'm Miley's brother, and I am Magni's father.

00:58:57.360 And that pretty much clears it. And he says, you know, the strong one of the gods, the mightiest

00:59:04.920 one of the gods,

00:59:07.240 Thrudvaldr Góða

00:59:09.100 is he,

00:59:12.360 and Thor is my name

00:59:13.580 that you have the speech with.

00:59:16.320 And then he asks,

00:59:17.620 what is your name?

00:59:19.820 And in

00:59:20.920 stanza ten, the ferryman speaks back,

00:59:24.260 Haurbárd

00:59:25.400 I am, and seldom

00:59:27.420 I hide my name.

00:59:30.580 So

00:59:31.140 this is again setting

00:59:33.260 up the, um, the, uh, dichotomy between the two. And again, how barred in relation to gray beard or

00:59:46.020 high beard. And again, high meaning like how we would use the word wise or wizened. Let's say

00:59:53.380 wizened. Um, if people are confused as to how that could be, um, if we were to say, you know,

00:59:58.360 he's a wizened old man um he's both wise and gray or he is those are all kind of synonymous

01:00:06.340 with he with each other so he is um high or or uh long in age if you will he has much experience

01:00:15.740 um so in we're in uh number 11 thor speaks why should thou hide thy name if quarrel that thou

01:00:32.920 hast not that's pretty straightforward why you know why would you hide your name if we didn't

01:00:39.240 have any grievances against each other. Well, they're coming. Hardbarth speaks in 12. He says,

01:00:49.840 And thou I had a quarrel from such as thou art, yet nonetheless my life would I guard unless I be

01:00:58.760 doomed to die. So, um, I have a quarrel with you for who you are, but I would not guard it either

01:01:11.060 way because I am, I'm aware of the day I die or I am, I am unmoved from the day I die. So I have

01:01:19.600 no fear despite knowing exactly who you are and i do have coral with you um

01:01:26.160 thor speaks in 13 he says great trouble me thinks would it be to come to the wet my middle

01:01:34.420 weakling well shall i pay thy mocking words if across the sound i come so now he's like you know

01:01:43.080 I should just wade over there and, and turn your head reminiscent into the boat you're standing in. Um, uh, but it's, it's, it's a great amount of trouble for someone who's just throwing words. Um, but if I do, you're going to regret it.

01:02:02.000 Harbarth speaks. 14. Here shall I stand and await thee here. Thou hast found since Hrungnir died, no fiercer man. Of course, this is making reference to another story of Thor.

01:02:20.000 Um, the, uh, um, the giant who, you know, wagered his horse, um, as swifter than, than Lord Odin's.

01:02:31.580 Um, and then in the race, he, you know, he managed to go into, um, Ausgarth and he was Lord there, uh, unrealizing by Lord Odin.

01:02:44.040 and there he is dispatched by um uh lord thor um after he gets drunk in the hall and um

01:02:54.600 you know gets himself into a duel with lord thor so this is just a plug towards another poem

01:03:01.160 and he says you know you have yeah you have not seen a fiercer man um since you fought that

01:03:09.400 Jotun, Hrongnir. And so he's kind of also letting Thor know that he knows about his past.

01:03:19.640 So he is familiar with him very much so.

01:03:25.400 Thor speaks in 15, he says,

01:03:27.400 Fain art thou to tell how with Hrongnir I fought the haughty giant whose head of stone was made,

01:03:34.500 And yet I felled him and stretched him before me. What, Harbarth, did thou do while? 0.98

01:03:42.980 So, you know, it's interesting that you know about my fight between that haughty giant, which I cleaved his head and dropped him like a sack of potatoes in front of me.

01:03:55.480 What were you doing while I was doing that?

01:03:57.420 um and this isn't really really kind of does set the tone and pace of like what were you doing

01:04:04.960 while i was doing this so my great deed is this what were you doing and then it's it slowly turns

01:04:12.260 into i heard you were doing that but i also heard it was more like this or that and then it starts

01:04:18.680 to get kind of venomous and uh it's it's quite it's quite funny um and that's the way this poem

01:04:24.600 is supposed to be seen it's it's funny it's um it's very similar to uh the storm father being

01:04:33.640 forced to dress up like uh the holy freya that was seen as a funny sense because one it was going to

01:04:42.040 build up the tension of the the murder at the wedding feast because he was he's you know having

01:04:48.520 to um hide and do subterfuge and cunning which is clearly not lord thor's um mode of working and so

01:05:00.040 it was also again you know in our faith i think that we have great piety we have great belief in

01:05:08.760 our gods especially as we see them as the great divine beings that they are but at the same time

01:05:15.560 to our ancestors and the stories of the gods are at this time frame holding more of that comedic

01:05:25.400 action um i don't know if it was perhaps always that way and i i can't speak on that but

01:05:31.560 clearly by you know in in iceland by this time it was the the ability to joke or to kind of um present

01:05:41.880 um the gods as being you know warriors that would be just as easily angered if they were put into

01:05:49.880 that situation um is uh it's kind of already being kind of set and uh you know we often say

01:05:57.720 that you know that the gods have a sense of humor it's we're not um you know gray-faced doldrumed

01:06:07.000 um you know people we want to live we want to have fun and our gods reflect that but this is

01:06:14.140 kind of that that reflection of the time as well that the humor of it um and clearly again you know

01:06:21.940 being forced to um uh you know shift gender roles and um or uh dealing with certain things like that

01:06:33.980 outside of your nature uh is kind of part of the pun as it is you know uh reflective on the warriors

01:06:43.980 being of the of the age would be extremely upset by this so now lord thor and then he completely

01:06:52.700 comes out of that and destroys the wedding party or so on and so forth so that's kind of what's

01:06:57.260 going on here and you'll see a lot of this and you'll see a lot of

01:07:00.460 the norms of what was seen as masculine and what and that there was a very clear distinction

01:07:06.860 amongst our ancestors we know this from all the way back even to the germanic times so people

01:07:12.300 that try to again spread the lie or the story that there is just kind of this ambiguity between

01:07:18.220 gender roles and um and the the and our ancestors is completely telling you a lie

01:07:25.180 and you could see it clear as day by reading any of these stories so

01:07:34.620 um

01:07:40.620 let's see here so we are he asks what did you do while i was felling wrong near

01:07:46.220 and Harbar speaks back in 16 he says five full winters with Fjolvar I was and dwelt in the isle

01:08:02.780 that is Algron called Algreen there could we fight and fell the slain much could we seek

01:08:15.180 and maids we could master so again like speaking here of the of the clear um

01:08:26.780 you know masculinity and bravado that's going on in this and and as well it should be considering

01:08:31.580 to the the audience and this is probably getting chuckles out of everyone that's you know hearing

01:08:36.300 the poem um but outside of that fjolva is not really um you know mentioned in in in the lore um

01:08:46.460 and it's uh bellows makes a point to think that um uh later uh in the in the poem there's the

01:08:54.140 seven sisters are referred to um in 18 and that that might have a connection but outside of that

01:09:01.900 there's no um mention uh and actually i would when i get a chance i like on the show tonight

01:09:11.340 i'll look it up some of the root words to see if we can't build an idea of what

01:09:16.540 is going on there but even like right now off the top of my head i i don't know um

01:09:23.260 but the the aisle is called all green some have speculated that this is just

01:09:28.620 a mythical isle. Some people have speculated that this is Nordic terms for other places like

01:09:36.960 possibly Ireland or other things like that. It's not really known. These are poetic names

01:09:45.500 or islands, but there, you know, they could fight and they could

01:09:51.180 win much in the way of wealth and in the way of women.

01:10:02.860 And, you know, life is good. This is the warrior, warrior's life, getting, living there for five

01:10:09.840 years on the island, fighting off craven people that would attack and falling into the arms of 0.97

01:10:16.280 maidens. It is, it is good. Um, in 17 Thor speaks, how won ye success with your women? Um, 1.00

01:10:30.320 again, when it comes to the catalystic Lord, um, one of the biggest dynamics of the catalystic

01:10:41.940 throne is breaking thresholds. And one of the breaking thresholds in our society, in our

01:10:48.420 culture is the gaining access to, or being accepted by a woman. It's, it's, it's referred 0.99

01:10:58.440 quite often in the elder stories it's talked about even you know today when people say you know like

01:11:04.220 if you don't have much success with the ladies like you know who are you or you know or i know

01:11:09.780 internet terms that they throw around um like incels and such as being you know these kind of

01:11:15.860 insults but what that really is is just a modern day in a reflection of the catalystic nature of

01:11:24.340 um can you pass those thresholds um you know have you been in battle have you been with a woman

01:11:30.940 have you crossed the waters these are all thresholds and of course lord thor is

01:11:35.820 the the primogen of threshold um and so he says you know how did you have success with those women

01:11:45.640 and Harbarth says oh in 18 lively women we had if they wise for us were wise were the women we had

01:11:55.280 if they if they kind for us were for ropes of sand they would seek to wind and the bottom to dig

01:12:04.900 and the deepest dale wiser than all in council I was and there I slept by the sisters seven

01:12:12.360 Again, that might be reference to Fjolvar as perhaps being the father of these.

01:12:27.780 By this Sister Seven, and joyful great did I get from each.

01:12:34.220 What Thor did thou do in the wild?

01:12:37.520 What did you do while I was doing that?

01:12:39.020 So, again, the meaning behind for ropes of sand they would seek to wind and the bottom to dig from the deepest dale is speculative about exactly their meanings in that.

01:12:59.480 I think this is probably the most correct speculation, is that these might be references or alluding to coitus, and that they may be kind of jokes about that, but it's not 100% known.

01:13:20.280 um but another word usage of the word wise if they were wise wise were the women we had

01:13:29.220 if they kind for or were kind for us or wise for us again the word is like wanting or to have

01:13:36.580 inclination towards us if they were having you know uh the mental inclination towards us then

01:13:44.000 they were frolicky they were lovely they were wild and they were they were uh fine um

01:13:53.520 um a couple of questions that kind of are relevant to what we're talking about um chris just asked

01:13:59.120 seven mothers of heimdall like the seven seas so heimdall had nine mothers yes um but i mean there

01:14:08.320 may be something similar at play with you know multiples of what would seem to be you know in

01:14:14.560 a natural state a singular person there may be some some commonality to kind of the point being

01:14:22.800 made but um that number doesn't quite match it but that and so i won't lie first i know the number

01:14:31.920 was different but that was the first thing that came to mind you know upon hearing it again was

01:14:36.880 that's the point of commonality um so i don't think you're wrong to to catch on that um when

01:14:44.320 we were talking about races a few minutes ago that raised a bunch of questions and i think it's worth

01:14:52.160 i don't know worth hitting them now because we're on the subject of this and you may be more

01:15:00.240 adept at this being a son of iceland than i am um so i kind of mentioned that you know

01:15:07.280 they encountered some other races like the sammy and people are like whoa hey now what about sammy

01:15:12.560 um i don't know that in my life i have met a person of sammy descent so i can't claim to

01:15:19.520 be an expert upon the sammy uh finn right that's aren't sammy people white most of them you couldn't

01:15:26.160 tell them apart from other nordic people uh without their sammy clothing 100 so

01:15:35.600 i'm gonna throw a flag on the hundred percent because i see different pictures of sammy people

01:15:40.000 look real different well and so then what i defend my position after no no

01:15:50.400 so it's a similar what i wonder and i don't know because again i have not had a lot of encounter i

01:15:55.520 to see pictures there's some sammy with a lot of asian features there's some sammy with a lot

01:16:02.480 of looking like inuits um i don't know that that is a sammy trait or just sammy folks that have

01:16:10.400 happened to make those mating choices um you will notice when you look if you look at 2024 native

01:16:22.640 americans you see a lot of white dudes with blonde hair and blue eyes but they got their hair in

01:16:30.480 braids and they call themselves you know leaping fox or whatever um so i don't know if there's a

01:16:42.080 similar phenomenon amongst those people i'm not really sure how to thresh that out i don't want

01:16:46.480 to speak out of my expertise on it well one thing that i i wanted to bring up is there's

01:16:53.520 part accusative um the slavs have long been accused of being marred or

01:17:01.680 influxed with mongolian blood or asiatic blood but when we do see a lot of slavs they absolutely

01:17:08.960 fit the focus bill um and i think that's very much the same case with the uh sami people

01:17:15.600 especially with the nordic and there's also something worth noting is that the finnoergic

01:17:20.480 people of finland um and even now finland is is very much you know intermixed with uh germanic

01:17:27.920 blood and they certainly have finnoergic uh you know outlining features um there's even a story

01:17:35.200 of the great wizard vanamonen who gets into a a speech battle though it's it's kind of

01:17:42.320 wrote as being songs that vanna monon and i the the other give me one second uh yo

01:17:51.760 i think his name was johannan or yo yo yo yoni heinen it started with a j for sure um they they

01:18:01.120 get into this battle and it's mentioned that yoni heinen is a sammy and venom venom venom

01:18:07.920 is uh a finlander and they were seeing those names up what's that i think you just made those names

01:18:15.200 up they sound so no no no no no i uh no i'm just playing but i have yeah i think finn race can

01:18:21.280 help me with that so far outside the norm well and vanna vanna venomonin is i i definitely believe

01:18:29.760 100 whenever you see um like the outlier um groups that are heavily um let's say that like

01:18:40.960 with the phenoergics or with the etruscans or with the um the uh greek influenced by the phoenicians

01:18:51.200 um and you see this kind of admixture of foreign folk kind of coming in they're always influenced

01:18:57.360 by i mean like i would argue that the etruscans even though they their origins or at least their

01:19:02.880 language origins certainly aren't um indo-european as you know i recently came to know like i didn't

01:19:10.000 know that i had always seen that because of their religious reflections reflected

01:19:14.720 their the the indo-european or arian folk that were on the peninsula and they had picked up so

01:19:20.960 much of that stuff it's the same time to bring this up too there is

01:19:31.280 there are kind of two groups of white people as it were there are the migratory indo-europeans

01:19:42.160 and there are the you know i think what are sometimes called old europeans

01:19:48.000 or there's you know these various isolated groups in europe that weren't part of that

01:19:53.840 migratory movement of the the arian migration but are still our folk and they were from a

01:20:03.440 previous time before so our folk moved in waves with their migrations and so the group that

01:20:13.680 migrated into um into asia into india and persia and that way and then came back across through

01:20:21.920 europe there was root populations still in europe that was isolated that was not part of this big

01:20:28.080 migration of peoples so it's like sometimes our folk split travel a great distance and then come

01:20:35.920 back and reintegrate with people that they may not have been connected with for hundreds of years

01:20:40.960 sometimes i think some of that's in play here so spawn dropped out um either that or i'm here

01:20:48.080 talking to myself um and he is going to know a little bit more about sammy folks than i am but

01:20:56.320 it leads to the next it leads to the next thing and when one of the the ways of identifying stuff

01:21:04.240 is through linguistics as i mentioned previously you don't have the same language origins because

01:21:10.880 because the groups diverged well before then

01:21:15.980 in the case of old Europeans versus Aryans

01:21:19.560 from the migration, from the Aryan migrations. 0.94

01:21:22.740 So there he is, he's back. 0.94

01:21:26.180 Sorry, we're under the restroom real quick.

01:21:28.180 Oh, no, you're fine.

01:21:29.840 I do that plenty.

01:21:30.680 Go ahead with the rest of,

01:21:32.180 you were kind of mid thought on some SAMI stuff.

01:21:35.100 So break down the SAMI for folks

01:21:37.260 that may not know a little bit about it.

01:21:39.780 think it's very important for a lot of us yeah i mean and i know that some people try to say that

01:21:44.820 like laplander is not a good usage and and and what have you but i mean to be respectful to the

01:21:52.180 calling them by the name that they call themselves i you know um the the sami folk are you know north

01:22:00.820 in in northern norway and sweden and um there was references especially in the in the sagas

01:22:09.140 about the difference between um the sami and the fins and that may have been more prevalent but

01:22:16.660 we see this a lot um the the say as the the influence of aryan uh culture and aryan spirituality

01:22:27.540 starts to influx with or is even met with outsiders there's this kind of gray zone that

01:22:35.220 always pops up one of the perfect examples that i like to bring up is about hercules hercules of

01:22:41.300 course is uh the striker um but he takes in a you know a mortal or daemon form and um i think that

01:22:49.060 this has a lot to do with spreading that power and the dominion of the striker uh with influence from

01:22:57.540 the east um if anybody's familiar with you know hercules and um even the buddhist traditions um

01:23:05.220 There's also, again, like the Etruscans, and they had a tripartite, even though their language isn't from that. They clearly were influenced by the ideas of this.

01:23:18.920 The Gallic people, too, have oftentimes hemorrhaged the tripartite. Or the gods themselves often show up, even in human form. 0.98

01:23:29.900 And one of the big ones that I would argue too is not only is Thor one of the Finnish gods, but they also have Vanamonen. And I feel that he is very much the dynamic lord of their kind of, as they are influenced or even genetically moving in as Arians moved into the Finnoergic population and mixed with them, they brought with them the spiritual might that they had.

01:23:55.860 And it started to show in different ways.

01:23:59.620 And, you know, if you see Van Ammonen as he's mortal, but a great wizard, and you see Lord Odin.

01:24:08.740 And I think that's kind of lent to people trying to say that Lord Odin was once a mortal and so on and so forth.

01:24:14.220 There's crazy theories on that, but that's clearly the dynamic throne presenting itself in mythos, whether or not the origin is, you know, strictly divine or...

01:24:25.860 um you hemorrhize for different reasons like the the celts the gallic people in ireland

01:24:33.120 you're hemorrhizing their gods into tribal churches the the follow-up question which is 0.71

01:24:39.600 you know certainly logically consistent if a sammy person wanted to join the afa would they be allowed

01:24:45.460 to and i think that when in doubt the default position always has been are they us or not us

01:24:54.420 And realistically, you don't need skull calipers and textbooks and mitochondrial DNA studies.

01:25:04.640 You can tell whether they're us or not.

01:25:07.100 There's plenty of Sammy that are us.

01:25:09.880 There's some Sammy I've seen that aren't quite us.

01:25:15.360 And that's the best way of knowing.

01:25:17.880 and you know we talked about natural it's most natural way of knowing you can kind of tell what's

01:25:25.280 what's ours and what's not um and i think that's our good real rule of thumb across lots of things

01:25:34.460 you find strange pockets of people that have preserved a particular dna and have only

01:25:43.460 interbred with that same group of people in odd spots. You find those kind of things in different

01:25:50.680 places. We're going to get to kind of an interesting question about that when we get to some of our

01:25:54.840 lore here at some point, but I'll leave that for a different time. But yeah, that's kind of a...

01:26:03.120 And again, I've not claimed to be an expert on SAMe, but you can look at some of them until

01:26:07.620 something's a little different, and you can look at quite a bit of them and say,

01:26:11.780 ah they wear different clothes because they're you know old europe and not the incoming

01:26:19.380 what became the scandinavian peoples um also while we're on that discussion

01:26:26.180 uh morris taylor asks and he's contributing a lot in the chat which is cool i appreciate welcome

01:26:32.420 um didn't the sutier mean soot people who were to the south where the fire god surter lived

01:26:41.780 They would have been black people. I don't know, I've never heard that term before. Svan, are you aware of a time that that occurs in our lore?

01:26:54.780 Well, I know that in relation to Surtr, the Jotuns of primordial age were always kind of referred to as the sons of Musbelly.

01:27:07.780 Um, and so, uh, you know, I never heard soot. I know. And that's the thing is soot oftentimes 0.59

01:27:18.300 was more in the form of swarthy. If something was swarthy, it was sooty. It was, um, blackened 0.64

01:27:27.180 by ash and it wasn't always referred to as the totality. The only one I'm familiar with

01:27:34.380 was was blauman but i mean and so it so didn't necessarily mean negro in origin it very often

01:27:44.540 meant poor or you were the person who would tend the fire or carry the coals or be the chimney

01:27:50.860 sweep or be the dude that's dirty because you're in the lower you know working class working the

01:27:57.020 jobs that upper people didn't you know the the thing that comes to mind when you mention that

01:28:02.060 is as far to pete in uh entertains me to no end um

01:28:13.580 my close associates will see many many depictions of him around yule um but yeah as a fun like

01:28:22.540 helper to uh saint nicholas and the the dutch yule traditions so i'm not sure that that's a thing i

01:28:31.100 I don't think Svan or I have encountered it, that maybe, again, I'm not sure where the

01:28:37.600 reference comes from, and the other thing that's also relevant to what we're talking

01:28:43.940 about in this part of the story, I don't mean to deviate so far from the text, I know it's

01:28:48.580 kind of hard to keep the flow when we do, Fenwraith also asks, could the story of how

01:28:55.340 Thor having to dress like a woman be an example of how ridiculous all this modern stuff

01:29:01.060 like transgenderism is and how this other stuff like gender cross-dressing it's fine what you 0.99

01:29:06.700 thought what what do you have to say well yeah absolutely um the first warning sign of loki

01:29:13.000 being an outsider is his ability to change shape and change gender and the abnormality of that

01:29:20.360 which is when we saw it originally alluded to it was with emir and the central jotuns 0.60

01:29:27.940 and how that was seen as very abominable that you know the many heads many arms just terrible

01:29:36.040 but as it's been refined it becomes more deceptive and that's what makes loki like it's a warning

01:29:43.980 and then it goes again um with lord thor in the story having to one it's pretend to not be or to

01:29:53.700 pretend to be anything because Lord Thor doesn't pretend to be anyone and he is Thor and he has no

01:29:59.100 reason to hide and he even makes mention of it in this story here and no reason to hide um so there's

01:30:04.980 the cravenness part there and then on top of that it's the switching gender roles um on top of being

01:30:14.160 cunning that that adds insult to the injury of it um and you know again I think it also it plays to 0.51

01:30:22.500 point to remember the biggest kind of caveat of that situation was to kind of cinch loki into

01:30:30.900 this situation because lord heimdall says i've got an idea let's you know douse you in fabric

01:30:38.340 and no bride is without his bridesmaid and so he he ends up getting loki um kind of involved in

01:30:46.340 that and the the rivalry the polarization between loki and heimdall is is consistent and not talked

01:30:53.540 about often enough but so this is something that i think and and this comes up in 2024

01:31:04.900 i don't really think it would have come up at earlier times um

01:31:09.860 people of divergent lifestyle like to find any any point of contact with traditional culture

01:31:26.180 and like stake a claim like aha they mentioned this thing so it must have been cool or whatever

01:31:32.600 that's not the case lots of things are mentioned because they're bad lots of things are mentioned

01:31:39.440 because they're frowned upon.

01:31:44.080 So first, this isn't...

01:31:51.980 So being honest, yes, there is obviously a point of ridicule or making fun or whatever else.

01:32:00.760 But when we get past that and look at it from a noble perspective,

01:32:07.000 there is a lot of people out there that are deeply mentally ill and suffering

01:32:14.800 and are making identifications and lifestyle choices that are being sold to them

01:32:24.780 by people with a particular agenda and I feel and we believe in you know what I don't need

01:32:36.620 caveat it they are being exploited and uh making choices that sometimes they can't take back

01:32:44.380 and that's really tragic um what you will see up until you know 1970s

01:32:56.380 guy dressing like a woman is a joke and funny and a like you know we all i say we all kids today

01:33:04.380 it's a dated reference even for me i suppose but that was clinger's deal on mash as he was trying

01:33:09.420 to get out of the army so he dressed like a woman all the time and that was the punch line of the

01:33:13.660 sitcom it's less funny today when there's such prevalent mental illness that's being exploited

01:33:22.620 for political means um what this illustrates in all accounts the truth that is here that's

01:33:32.380 plain to see for anybody reading it fairly is no under normal under a normal circumstance to

01:33:39.740 our ancestors a man um in any way presenting himself as a woman or pretending to be a woman

01:33:48.140 was you know the object of scorn and ridicule and that's why it is being used here as a bar

01:33:54.540 when it's told in the piece of lore it's told in that's clearly a comedy for us to laugh at

01:34:00.860 the juxtaposition of this manly symbol of might you know having to go through this absurdity of

01:34:09.660 like wearing a dress while he's still like being this big burly you know being thor but like the

01:34:17.180 beard yeah it's the point of it is the absurdity not that this is some cool thing and anybody

01:34:24.940 reading it fairly clearly sees that um when certain mental illness sets in deep enough

01:34:37.020 sometimes we're blinded by issues of today and i think and this is true for everybody

01:34:44.300 don't project 2024 issues upon our gods and our lord

01:34:50.540 it's fine to project our gods and our lore upon issues to help you understand them or

01:34:59.960 or you know make sense of them or choose the right position to take wisdom from our gods

01:35:08.400 and our lore absolutely but it's this is kind of the same thing i talk about about um

01:35:15.700 scholasticism versus religion

01:35:19.760 the gods are right everything else we do ought to be to better understand them

01:35:30.140 not to force them to conform to some theory that we cooked up

01:35:34.980 when we address social issues or political issues

01:35:42.720 our gods and our faith should inform our social and political decisions not the other way around

01:35:53.240 it's grossly impious to thrust our policy our politics or our you know whatever our situation

01:36:01.700 is to then somehow project that upon our gods is

01:36:06.280 i think when we look at it that way it's very obviously that that's the wrong thing to do but

01:36:15.040 i think sometimes we we don't stop to consider things before we do it and when you're in the

01:36:22.300 heat of the moment or you feel passionately about something it's easy to project your ideas

01:36:28.160 onto the gods is that they're accountable for your politics and that's not right

01:36:33.020 I think we all get that. But yeah, Finn, this is exactly the point of it is it's ridiculous. And the point of it is, you know, if that's a thing, that's something that you poke fun and you laugh at. 0.95

01:36:47.840 And I say that, you know, a generation previous, if you dressed up like, you know, a famous person who was a woman or just a woman in general for Halloween, that was funny in a funny, like, a funny costume choice. 0.95

01:37:04.760 Now, the current mental illness that we that we see around us has made that much less funny, unfortunately. 0.89

01:37:12.900 um yeah but i just i'm sorry for if that takes out of the flow of the poem it's a short one 0.99

01:37:21.360 and i think that these questions you know do relate to the text and relate to the story so

01:37:26.480 i think they're they're good and i appreciate y'all asking well and i wanted to bring up

01:37:30.620 something too um when we talk about the the russians uh or the the fins that may have like

01:37:38.620 kind of the Asiatic and, and eyes and so on and so forth. Um, I do see like there, there is a sense

01:37:47.080 of like that, which is of the folk is perhaps of the Germanic or Teutonic folk. And I think that

01:37:54.920 it's worth remembering too. Like if we look at say the Gales, whether they are the Irish, whether

01:38:00.200 they are the welsh or the scots um or if we look at the uh you know the the northern hispanics 0.88

01:38:08.600 and uh the northern italians you know these these outlier regions like you know it's common

01:38:14.760 to think of like oh in northern italy you'll see a lot of folk italians you go further south

01:38:20.120 it starts to get like you see differences or variations it's the same in russia with the east

01:38:27.560 it's the same in the slavic countries or the east and i see our enemies when we try to

01:38:34.360 um lay out a clear and concise and logical view of of uh ethnicity and race they immediately try 0.94

01:38:42.520 to drive that well you know like in germany the slavs were seen as this or you know they kind of 0.82

01:38:47.560 they immediately try to create this divisive sense and the the big thing is is the origin of your 0.99

01:38:54.600 where your people come from also the language and how much again like you had said how much

01:39:02.600 do they look like us how much do they think like us and and when other folks see them do they see

01:39:10.920 a brother or do they see a foreigner or an outsider and that's those are big ones

01:39:17.320 that's a key the other thing is

01:39:19.080 there's two there's two points i'd like to make on that um first yes everything that's

01:39:30.120 fawn said but the other thing has to do with whether you're going to be a problem or not

01:39:35.000 if you start i mentioned if you go to native american gatherings or you look at you know

01:39:42.040 and i mentioned this specifically to our foreign audience uh finra thing in finland if you were to

01:39:48.680 look at you know american native american stuff and i mentioned a whole lot of white dudes there

01:39:55.640 that are suggesting they're they're not us um that's i think just as is a strange term because

01:40:08.280 nothing is just as as anything else but you are equally not welcome to afa membership

01:40:16.440 if you are currently under the delusion that you are not us.

01:40:21.820 So, you know, not only do we need to think you're us,

01:40:24.720 but you need to think you're us too. 0.83

01:40:27.240 So that excludes, you know, very white people

01:40:31.280 that insist on thinking that they're not,

01:40:38.120 which is a strange and sad phenomenon

01:40:41.560 that they feel like they need to feel that way.

01:40:46.440 And the other thing, and it sounds funny, and it kind of is, but I don't mean it as a joke.

01:40:56.860 It's a real thing.

01:40:59.660 Sometimes people just look odd for whatever reason or whatever their genetic thing is.

01:41:05.780 For a long time, and I'm going to choose to go with it,

01:41:12.380 but let's see where the where the chips fall um

01:41:21.420 people with down syndrome were referred to up until like the 1980s as mongoloid or the mongolian 0.98

01:41:30.220 idiot because their features looked mongolian in appearance so when eastern european white 0.98

01:41:38.060 couples would have a baby who had down syndrome they would see the the um you know almond like 1.00

01:41:46.140 slanty eyes and would assume that was some characteristic from you know mongolian invasions

01:41:54.460 of eastern europe no they just got down syndrome sometimes sometimes stuff just works out strange 0.96

01:42:03.820 um yeah sometimes people just funny looking and as a rat okay so because we're on this

01:42:16.300 and we just talked about the no i'm gonna throw it out there so we talked about the 0.64

01:42:23.420 transgender thing what i think is really really sad and i don't know if you all have run into but 0.83

01:42:30.300 I have. We'll get back on track and I will not veer this way. I really don't mean it to be

01:42:35.400 humorous. It's an honest thing that I do think is sad. An unforeseen consequence now.

01:42:43.740 If you are an ugly looking woman, now we all have to stop and have the thought, ah, 1.00

01:42:51.180 maybe that's really a guy that's probably an extra thing that people who are not naturally 0.99

01:42:59.780 gifted with a great deal of beauty didn't need in addition and

01:43:05.580 i have seen the effects i mean as a guy that looks at people i've certainly had that thought process

01:43:21.180 But I remember, I apologize for the dead air, I'm trying to think how to present the story

01:43:36.660 in a not funny way, because it's easy to laugh at something that if I were that person, I

01:43:41.300 wouldn't find funny at all.

01:43:42.400 I've been in very awkward situations where I've dealt with when I was bouncing when this first

01:43:51.680 started to take root at just such a situation where somebody's very devastated because

01:43:57.140 they were not a particularly attractive looking woman and this became you know this was a thing

01:44:03.860 and so you know some people have made that assumption and that's really sad I'm sorry

01:44:12.840 folks have to go through that it's a lot of strange stuff that comes up but it it came to

01:44:18.300 mind because sometimes people just look a little bit off and sometimes that's because of a genetic

01:44:24.840 admixture that's from a different group of people and sometimes it's just

01:44:30.400 things genes did not combine in a particularly favorable way in that instance

01:44:37.020 but there's that so swan if you'd like to take us from the strange uh winding journey i've taken

01:44:47.120 us on back to the text that'd be fantastic yeah well and this is a short poem and i think that

01:44:54.100 inter interjecting um with some of these questions are really really good

01:44:58.900 For a second there, I thought that you had composed a short poem about trannies.

01:45:07.060 No. 1.00

01:45:10.280 All right, so I lied.

01:45:11.800 So one more diversion before we get back on it.

01:45:14.340 I mentioned rap battles earlier with the little flighting that's going on here.

01:45:20.280 If and when we get to the sagas, especially A.O. Scalagromson's saga.

01:45:28.900 he would have a habit of just spontaneously composing a verse about he would do random

01:45:36.740 actions in the poem and then it says and then ale spake a verse and just bust a rhyme on somebody

01:45:44.500 he's dropping bars on on one occasion he vomited in a man's face and then he spake a verse so

01:45:56.080 oh yes that's when he was poisoned he had the the horn where he uh carved the

01:46:03.840 rune and broke the horn because it was poisoned

01:46:08.640 go on strange journeys here on victory never sleeps i appreciate you joining us on those

01:46:16.480 it's fun before i go completely off track here take us take us back to the lay of harbarth

01:46:23.840 So we're on 19 now, and this is another point in which I like to kind of turn people's minds towards.

01:46:36.520 This is one example of it in which for people that try to turn Snorri Stutlason and the scribing of the stories as to be like a divine book, like a Bible or what have you.

01:46:53.840 there are a lot of glaring um incidences where things are clearly crossed over and

01:47:00.640 are kind of misspoken and this actual stanza is one of them um so harbarth asks you know

01:47:11.840 while i was sleeping on this island fighting and and um wooing the maidens what were you doing

01:47:19.200 and Thor speaks, he says,

01:47:22.700 Fiazi I felled, the giant fierce,

01:47:26.880 and I hurled the eyes of Avaldi's son

01:47:29.400 to heavens hot above.

01:47:32.060 Of my deeds the mightiest marks are these

01:47:35.280 that all men since can see.

01:47:38.160 What Harbarth did Thaos do the while?

01:47:42.460 So that's an interesting verse

01:47:46.560 because if anyone is familiar with

01:47:48.780 um lady scavi becoming an oust veneer amongst the ice here um that's not how the felling by thor is

01:48:00.820 not what happened he was burned upon the the the uh the walls of ausgartha um the abode in heaven

01:48:11.200 and it wasn't thor that felled him now that could just simply be you could write it off as you know

01:48:16.940 he's he's kind of um you know either baiting or or what have you but more likely the structure

01:48:24.400 of this poem is that it was it was confused um fiazi is killed by fire not by thor um and this

01:48:33.060 is a glaring one and so i think that there are quite a few inconsistencies throughout the um

01:48:42.260 the Adas and, um, that get a little of, of these situations wrong. And, um, you know, like I've

01:48:52.100 thought about it and I was like, man, it would be really cool if it was like, he was baiting him

01:48:55.280 and, you know, no, you didn't kill him. You know, you died on the fires that would kind of allude

01:49:00.100 to a cunning kind of sense, but that's not what's going on. It's just simply a structural, um,

01:49:04.580 issue. He did, uh, though it's often also referred to that Lord Odin through his eyes

01:49:09.860 or that the gods threw his eyes into the sky and not specifically Thor.

01:49:15.960 But Thiazzi is the Austvenir Skavi.

01:49:22.120 That's her father.

01:49:25.700 If anybody's wondering, Austvenir means beloved ones.

01:49:28.560 You might, I know some of the older books from like the 80s and 90s

01:49:32.400 refer to them as Jotunbrides.

01:49:35.640 Or again, they're emphasizing like that there are different races.

01:49:38.780 And so they really harp on the idea of Jotun brides being some different race.

01:49:44.140 But Austvenir means beloved ones.

01:49:46.840 And they join the gods going against the Ethel of where they come to join the Ethel of the Isir and of order.

01:49:59.200 And still holding much of their primordial nature, but are now in alignment with the gods.

01:50:04.480 and um he says that he you know slew her father um and again there's no other tale that would

01:50:13.000 dispute this with an actual fight between um lord thor and thiazi so um that could also be the case

01:50:22.620 there might be there could have been another story in which the the story was more focused

01:50:26.760 or on thor slaying jazzy but there isn't one that survives um in the uh the codex that was compiled

01:50:34.840 by it's nobody and simon so that's an interesting one and and again that's another reason why we

01:50:42.280 don't look at our lore as a holy book the holy uh the the the lord doesn't make the gods the gods

01:50:52.360 the gods are the gods and this is you know a product of really years and years of traditions

01:51:00.680 built around telling stories and poems about the gods um in a particular style but it's it's that

01:51:07.960 it's not like a bible where um you know the the bible defines the god so you know you get into an

01:51:15.640 argument with a christian they're gonna immediately use the bible as the cornerstone of all their

01:51:20.200 arguments we do not we use the gods i want to throw this out there and it's uh

01:51:29.960 it's semantic i guess

01:51:34.040 our lore is holy because it teaches us about our gods but we don't

01:51:43.800 i think that okay

01:51:45.400 so i have taken us on a on a winding journey this evening but i'll continue to do so on points i

01:51:56.920 think or you know here's the thing sometimes things are funny but i don't do things on here just to be

01:52:03.000 you know to be a clown about it i think that there's a point there that i want to get to

01:52:08.840 this is not one that's humorous but it's something that's interesting um

01:52:15.400 There is, okay, I believe that it is very beneficial for us to often take, do an evaluation of why we think the things that we think and play out the logic, because I think that's important.

01:52:37.380 And I don't think enough people do that or maybe look at things as deeply sometimes in our lore.

01:52:51.180 So it's just like, I try not to do this, but I think that in conversation, it's very relevant.

01:53:02.800 i always want to present alsatru as a standalone faith and it is but i think

01:53:08.880 when talking to an audience that has a point of familiarity with christianity

01:53:15.920 most in my experience most christians when they read their whatever their edition of the bible is

01:53:23.840 they read be it the king james version or something newer they assume that's exactly how

01:53:32.320 their god wrote it and like literally wrote it or inspired i mean i don't i don't mean to present

01:53:39.520 christians as ignorant that's not the case but they believe that whoever wrote it was directly

01:53:45.520 like under the control of the holy spirit or whatever they believe to write it um 0.97

01:53:51.760 um they don't consider translations they don't consider the Council of Nicaea where you know

01:54:01.000 okay cool what books are we going to count as canonical what books are we going to say are

01:54:05.800 apocryphal there's all those things that went into that book being the way that it is and in

01:54:13.720 their belief structure again that's up to a a pastor or a Christian priest to tell you the

01:54:19.420 this or wrong this or that i'm not disputing that that's between their god and his followers

01:54:25.340 but our faith is is different in that i think it's really important to consider

01:54:32.060 this is the collected knowledge of the elders of our folk that was contributed or that was uh

01:54:38.780 spread largely in storytelling and in teaching from elders to the community

01:54:45.260 and then by extension through bars and scalds and such.

01:54:52.880 We don't, if you trace it back logically,

01:54:57.160 we don't have a point where we believe that.

01:55:00.100 And then the gods traveled across the rainbow bridge

01:55:04.540 and came to a dude named Olaf and said,

01:55:08.120 hey, let me tell you, let me relay this to you

01:55:11.780 and it's your job to write this down in this cave

01:55:14.100 or whatever the case or on this mountain whatever the case might be so this is the collected wisdom

01:55:20.500 of our folk and it grows and it evolves as the relationship between our folk and our and the

01:55:27.380 icer evolves we want that to evolve to a more perfect place all the time our understanding

01:55:35.700 of the ic or doesn't stop with some viking dude and get handed down to simon or to to snorri

01:55:46.180 that goes on and has gone since then in different ways some of that was was given to um

01:55:55.060 maestro guido von list some of that in a different way was taught to uh

01:56:00.180 alexander red mills and elsie christensen and uh hoskold and stoba and much of that

01:56:08.020 is continuing to be given to uh our founder stephen mcnowlin and

01:56:16.420 i believe very much that the icer are helping witness fawn and i to come to a more perfect

01:56:25.380 understanding of them and that's very much the what we're what we're trying to do and what we

01:56:31.780 seek to do through the gifting cycle and i feel that they've gifted us a lot with some insight

01:56:37.220 into these things and i hope that that's beneficial and being transmitted to you guys um rightly

01:56:47.940 and i i go before the altar and tonight i was running late so i'm not gonna lie and say every

01:56:54.180 time but probably 90 of the 99 episodes i go before the altar every time i come on and i i ask

01:57:07.300 all the isir really but on my altar i'm focusing the question to lord othen that uh you know

01:57:14.660 hopefully you know to bless me with knowledge and help me to bring our folk to a better understanding

01:57:22.980 of the Iser. And I hope that in some way I'm able to do that. But it's important to understand

01:57:31.080 that our lore evolves over time. And the test of rightness of it isn't how closely it resembles

01:57:48.420 what an ancient viking knew of our gods what svan and i um share with you guys

01:57:56.780 should be much greater than theirs and hopefully you know i say 100 years from now hopefully 50

01:58:05.980 years from now if i am talking to you as an ancient man hopefully i am able to tell you

01:58:12.480 something better than i can tell you now and uh 50 years from that whoever whoever um is ulterior

01:58:21.840 gofi does this better than i do and uh looking on from wherever i find myself

01:58:30.720 you know hundreds of years from then i sure hope that whoever's the ulterior gofi is

01:58:36.720 is further along this path than we are because that's that's what we're doing we're trying to

01:58:41.280 get ever closer to that more perfect understanding of our gods and i hope that we're doing that in

01:58:46.240 some way or communicating that in some way but i digress swan if you will take us back to uh

01:58:55.040 the song armor well so that was i mean definitely it was something we had to hit on because if

01:59:03.920 people are familiar with the story that would be like a wait a minute that doesn't make any sense

01:59:09.040 and they would be correct um and again that you know the gods don't um exist out of the lore the

01:59:16.240 lore exists because of the gods and uh that's a big thing that people get confused and they

01:59:22.080 they really need to wrap their heads around um the astro folk assembly uh versus you know

01:59:29.280 scholastic muses or musings or people that attempt to kind of yes re uh reignite that

01:59:37.680 the the closeness that i could make it to an icelander in the 10th century that's what makes

01:59:44.240 my religion real and not honoring the gods giving gift cycle and building community and bringing

01:59:50.480 the gods back to the folk so um really important stuff um so again it ends with you know what what

01:59:59.200 harbar did didst thou do uh the while and in in section 20 harbard uh or uh stanza 20 he says

02:00:08.560 much lovecraft i rock number this is harbard's uh he's he's he's kind of saying i'm i can fight

02:00:17.520 but i am definitely a lover and and he he repeats this over and over again um but it is kind of

02:00:25.200 funny some of the things he's alluding to um so much lovecraft i wrought with them who ride by

02:00:32.160 night when i stole them by stealth from their husbands a giant hard was clay barf me thinks

02:00:41.760 his wand he gave me as a gift and i stole his wits away so a couple things first half of that

02:00:51.680 the women who ride by night the word is merk reader and generally anybody who reads this would

02:01:00.320 kind of go into the same nomenclatures as witches and trolls um however that second

02:01:09.600 line really throws me off with you know when i stole them by stealth from their husbands um this

02:01:16.320 is um i i believe that mercury there is a more of a colloquial term for uh you know the the women

02:01:26.080 that ride about alone without their families or without their their husbands um the the kind of 1.00

02:01:31.760 independent women and um you know i wooed these independent and haughty women under the noses of 1.00

02:01:38.800 their husbands and so this is seen of course as a as a feat but also kind of as a poke um

02:01:47.520 because it it they do mention the troll witches or troll wives uh or um uh coming up here um soon

02:01:55.920 but the the uh the title is a little bit more benign um and then there's reference here in

02:02:04.720 the latter part where harbarth talks about clay barth now this is i wanted to talk about clay

02:02:11.760 barth because here's a perfect example of how people can get caught up in translations so

02:02:21.280 the word clay bar this often referred to as a leopard that's just all it says or that it's the

02:02:27.440 poetic word for um uh a bear or uh i want to say a mountain cat but if you if you look into it the

02:02:40.560 word clay um by itself means a shelter or a shelving of cliff face and barth of course means

02:02:51.200 beard so what it's really saying poetically is his name means he's got a a beard that shoots

02:02:59.440 straight out it's like an outcropping or a precipice that shelters his chest it he's just

02:03:05.680 got a kind of a wiry jutting beard um clay bar that's not really mentioned anywhere else and

02:03:13.920 And I think it's really interesting, the usage of, well, he says wand.

02:03:24.440 In the story here, the word in Old Norse is gamba tine, a tine or obviously a stick, a tine.

02:03:36.700 This is like his magical, like, staff or wand.

02:03:40.020 and he gives it to me as a gift and then i you know use it against him um

02:03:47.300 but there's a lot to be said about this they're they're alluding to kind of more or less like

02:03:57.600 rebel behavior the idea of like running off with these independent maidens you know while their

02:04:05.660 husbands are at home. And then stealing this giant's tine, his staff, and then utilizing 1.00

02:04:17.000 it against him to stole his wits. And there's another thing is that these stories could be

02:04:21.820 referenced elsewhere, but we just don't know that they haven't survived. And that they survived

02:04:31.080 because of the poetic stanzas have kept them in memory but the actual stories of of these had not

02:04:39.480 survived because they were never committed to memory via poetry so and that's another big thing

02:04:45.480 i like to point out is that um um you know our our poetic aidas come from stories told first

02:04:56.200 and we can see as another thing to say on this um

02:05:07.160 i don't know because i don't concern myself with other circles of whatever these days

02:05:13.640 but certainly when i got involved with house true originally

02:05:19.400 there is a lot of i guess complaint or

02:05:26.200 I don't know, bad-mouthing the fact that what we have is incomplete or, you know, people who wrote it down were Christian or this isn't, you know.

02:05:39.560 There's a lot of complaint about the imperfection of what we have, but what I don't think people spend enough time on is appreciating the

02:05:51.900 tremendous amount

02:05:55.280 that we do have

02:05:56.600 compared to so many other things

02:05:59.060 if we just look

02:06:05.100 at

02:06:05.420 and this

02:06:09.180 is

02:06:10.080 one of the reasons

02:06:13.160 we celebrate

02:06:14.060 this may seem like a strange journey

02:06:16.000 it's one of the reasons that we celebrate

02:06:19.000 Prince Herman

02:06:21.100 with the day of remembrance with stopping rome in the greater picture of things that's

02:06:27.900 technically a brother war it's arian people versus other arian people but what it did was preserve

02:06:39.100 germanic and by extension nordic um lore in a way that you wouldn't have had

02:06:49.020 in other places if you look at um the continental goals of france and northern spain

02:06:59.340 we don't have that material and we wouldn't because the way christianity worked through

02:07:06.940 europe was through the network created by the roman empire um and yeah in in hermann's day

02:07:17.500 arminius's day rome was was still loyal to our gods in their own way um

02:07:28.860 it's set kind of a course of events in motion that you look at so many other places where so

02:07:34.380 much is lost we have so much it's easy to bemoan what may have been lost or what definitely was

02:07:43.900 lost over the millennia but it's also such a blessing that we have so much that we have what we

02:07:51.900 have um our lore is it's beautiful and it's amazing and i mentioned it's holy even though

02:08:00.780 sometimes it's ridiculous you know some stuff like this or the lokasana or some other things that are

02:08:07.340 more meant as humorous endeavors or you know scaldic instruction or whatever it is

02:08:16.700 but we have so much compared to so many other people in other places it's one of the reasons

02:08:23.980 that expressing also through also truth through the nordic expression is so

02:08:30.780 vital to what we do is that we do have this whereas other people don't good night sweetheart

02:08:35.820 I love you. Hey, come here. Give me a hug.

02:08:41.380 Why is Ray in here?

02:08:43.140 I don't know.

02:08:45.600 But yeah, no, we are very, very fortunate.

02:08:49.300 And I think that it's all too easy to complain and not to stop and appreciate just how much we really do have.

02:08:59.800 And then there's this guy.

02:09:00.900 all right i wife felt the need to uh show off our our very large cat andre he's a good boy

02:09:14.500 all right let's take it back to the layup

02:09:19.700 so 21 refers to 20 when he said you know you re i took a gift the this mighty wand or

02:09:30.840 mighty staff from this Jotun, and then I used it against him to, you know, scramble his mind

02:09:36.840 in a kind of sense of daring. And again, I like to believe that the story relates to the idea 0.99

02:09:46.100 that that was a hard-won item or kind of a focal point of the story and the fact to be gifted it

02:09:54.120 and then to use it against him.

02:09:57.800 But Thor speaks, he says in 21,

02:10:00.540 thou didst repay good gifts with an evil mind.

02:10:04.360 So he's just saying, you know,

02:10:06.120 you gain a gift and you stab

02:10:09.300 or you bite the gift giver. 0.94

02:10:11.980 And that's just a wretched thing.

02:10:14.800 And then Harbarth says,

02:10:17.120 the oak must have what it shaves from another.

02:10:21.400 In such things, each for himself,

02:10:24.120 What Thor did Thaus do while? So this part here, the oak must have what it shaves from another. And Bellows makes mention of that. This is mentioned elsewhere in Greti saga, the same kind of usage.

02:10:46.360 And I really, if I had prepared ahead of time on this one a little bit more, I would have kind of tried to delve deeper into that as to what, you know, again, the shaving from another oak tree.

02:10:59.780 But the overall meaning is that, you know, to the victor belongs the spoils.

02:11:06.540 And to be fair, oak trees are a type of tree that definitely just dominates.

02:11:13.540 The grass doesn't grow underneath it.

02:11:15.260 other trees around it get split by its branches and pushed over um it claims its space so

02:11:22.220 you know the oak gets uh what it takes from others um so you know uh he's he's speaking of 0.88

02:11:32.220 the fact that like the evil that was done um by the yoten was already established which is why

02:11:39.580 using the gondor against him on his mind i think has reference to the the jotun using the gondor

02:11:46.540 on other people's minds and so he got what he deserved um or again he is the oak

02:11:56.860 and he claimed what was rightfully his um then thor speaks in 23 he goes eastward i fared

02:12:04.700 of the giants i felled and a lot of folks take this a little bit i think misconstrued they say

02:12:13.020 they're ill-working women who went to the mountain and large were the giant throng

02:12:20.700 if all were alive no men would be there in mivgarth more so that's very confusing but

02:12:30.380 one of the things he's stating is that he felled giants and there the women ran to the mountains

02:12:37.100 and i think what this is referring to from my perception and understanding of like a lot of

02:12:43.260 history is that he felled the jotens um so much that the women folk fled to the mountain to try

02:12:53.340 to curse him out to try to magically bombard him to get him out um and he but still he killed the

02:13:01.180 throngs of giants um and this is the one that's truly interesting though is if all were alive

02:13:09.820 no men would there be in midgard midgard more and i think that again this is one of the first

02:13:16.860 or one of the times in which the middle is referred to uh with jotunheim and vanaheim

02:13:28.380 because you might see people that try to place vanaheim in the heavenly realm or jotunheim and

02:13:34.940 the heavenly realm are somehow on the on the same plane um this i think is again

02:13:41.660 reference to the fact that the jotnar are in the middle as well and that they're one of the

02:13:48.220 cosmological influxes of this is that midgarther is seen as the world but also seen as the middle

02:13:57.820 um and we have that influx of jotnar power from jotunheim that the the caustic um resistance and

02:14:08.300 uh you know uh digestion of matter and of of that which is in the middle and then it is is brought

02:14:15.500 back there's there's every realm in the middle that is not the earth itself bring in and take

02:14:23.580 out a flux of power vanaheim it's life down to the the you know the tiniest single cell organism

02:14:32.220 that wiggles on a microscope that wiggling that will to live um that comes from nature and the

02:14:39.100 cyclic sense of nature comes from vanaheim and clearly the power of that you know with with

02:14:44.780 animals having you know their their life force is you know seen as like the multiplicity of

02:14:51.180 life itself from bonaheim um so a single animal is kind of returning to the whole um all life is

02:14:58.700 stratified from the vana and then it's brought back in the same as with the jotuns the jotuns

02:15:04.060 bring forth resistance they bring forth caustic um you know dis dissolvement and it is then leached

02:15:12.780 back into jotunheim and you know we spoke uh last episode about um fenris's you know spittle

02:15:22.380 poisoning and just dripping into the world of men so i think that this is a a reference to the fact

02:15:28.060 that, you know, if I had let go, there would be no more folk in the middle. There is another

02:15:39.620 theory that's come from this, though, is that this could also be a direct reference to the fact

02:15:45.160 that Thor is fighting the Jotnar in the middle, kind of, again, felling them or fighting them,

02:15:56.880 And that the placement of one of the great cosmic powers of the catalyst is, you know, again, fighting natural disasters, keeping things in balance, you know, lightning striking over a volcano or tornadoes, you know, being sundered by, you know, lightning or hurricanes and what have you.

02:16:18.180 I think that's, I'm reading a little bit too deep into that. And I really think that what this

02:16:22.520 really is, is just mentioning that the Jotun's and the Vanna are of the middle.

02:16:32.120 And he, you know, then he says, what have you been doing while I was,

02:16:35.120 you know, felling Jotun's in the East?

02:16:37.780 in place that isn't really um brought up but harbarth in 24 says in valand i was

02:16:49.860 and wars i raised princes i angered and and peace brought never peace was never found

02:16:59.140 the noble who fall in the fight have ovin and thor have the race of thralls

02:17:05.680 so um and i i always find that an interesting uh version of thralls

02:17:13.600 thrylaking the the thrallish kin um is how it's it's referred to so um volond

02:17:26.080 it it's generally referred to as the land of slaughter 0.80

02:17:29.120 but remember to vol also means the chosen or choosing. Um, but I think in this case,

02:17:37.360 I think the, the slaughter terminology of it is, is better fitting. Um, and he's referring to

02:17:44.820 just the place of war in which I can reap, um, you know, uh, and, or again, he's hiding.

02:17:54.020 He's saying that he was in Valhalla and saw the wars or raised the wars and to gain noble warriors to go to Valhall while Thor gets loved by, you know, slaves.

02:18:16.000 Again, another reference to class there, which is why some people leave that up there, but it's clearly an insult.

02:18:21.800 And it, it starts to become so glaringly obvious that this is Lord Odin. And, um, you know, even though he references to that Odin is the Jarl, um, or is, uh, that the Jarls fight for Odin.

02:18:42.380 um it's it's more of a tongue-in-cheek sense that by now I think anybody listening to the

02:18:50.000 poem would know that Harbar there is Odin um but Thor does not seem to you know get it right away

02:18:58.500 and that's not uh necessarily a structural insult to um Thor I think it's more of a plot convenience

02:19:08.980 sense, because other stories do show that Lord Thor is very smart, very cunning, very intelligent.

02:19:15.940 He is his father's son. But that's why I think that this story may have been framed around

02:19:24.080 stories from the Slavic nation in referring to Perun and Veles kind of battling.

02:19:34.720 um in 25 thor speaks he says unequal gifts of men wouldst thou give to the gods if might too much

02:19:46.100 thou should have so here it's like he's saying if you had that much power um

02:19:55.420 you would you would not give such a clean lot or you would not give such noble born men if you

02:20:06.640 were in charge of gifting the gods so he's basically saying noble princes highly doubt it

02:20:12.940 anybody that travels with you if they were given to the gods would be a deficit to the gods is what

02:20:19.000 he's saying there unequal gifts of men wouldst thou give to the gods if might too much you should

02:20:24.960 have. So again, uh, attacking his character and attacking the content of the people around him

02:20:32.500 that he's thinking too highly of, of himself. Um, and then Harbarth retorts back in 26, he says,

02:20:42.760 Thor has might enough, but never a heart for cowardly fear in a glove was thou feigned to

02:20:51.700 crawl and there forgot thou wast thor afraid there thou was thy fear was such to fart or sneeze

02:21:00.340 lest fjalliar should hear now this is a really cool one and most people um might immediately

02:21:09.220 catch it um he's basically saying that um uh in the story of of thor going to jotunheim

02:21:20.180 with loki and with the alfi and with rostva he hides in the glove but it's worth remembering

02:21:27.940 that the the jotin that um that owned the glove was screamer not uh uh failure um

02:21:41.940 so i i you know i find that very very interesting that that was um you know mentioned or perhaps

02:21:48.980 even like as a you know a mistake um thor hides in a glove yeah or and he didn't he mistaken it

02:21:58.100 for a cave in the story he finds a cave to shelter in and then it to re-emphasize the

02:22:07.300 magnitude of screamer it's not a cave it's his glove so it really starts to set the default that

02:22:15.300 um thor is entering a world where he's vastly outmatched he's vastly outnumbered and then

02:22:22.500 at the end of the story you find out it was all illusionary magic and that uh lord thor was you

02:22:29.780 know changing the levels of the ocean he was shifting you know the the axis of of midgard he

02:22:36.420 was um you know fighting against um the you know the dissipation of time itself and um he was you

02:22:44.820 know lifting the the the world serpent so that's the reference that they're making there is is that

02:22:52.260 he you know i know that you uh you hung or you hid in a glove um so failure might be just another

02:23:05.140 name for scream year. Um, but I think it's, there's, there's some confusion there that was,

02:23:11.440 that was not matched. Um, in 27, Thor speaks and he says,

02:23:21.100 thou womanish hard barth to hell would I smite thee straight? Could my arm reach over the sound? 0.89

02:23:30.000 So now it just, that ignites the rage. And again, too, Lord Thor, his embodiment, his domain is the storm and the lightning and the uncontrollable rage and anger.

02:23:45.600 because it was not seen that our ancestors would be spared from the rage of lightning because they

02:23:51.760 honored uh thunor thor donor they they understood that his rage was just right there brimming on the

02:24:01.840 edge and so the the this part of the story is like emphasizes that bang all right now he's pissed

02:24:10.720 and and they were waiting for it um and he basically resorts to just you know

02:24:17.920 violence and and and with good reason he would and this kind of lends to um clearly uh the

02:24:26.160 mythos of mjolnir being thrown there are stories of him throwing the hammer and there's uh the

02:24:33.120 story of him smiting um prongnir and you know blasting his head um open with a throw but it's

02:24:43.040 not prevalent here so i don't think that tossing the hammer was a huge um and consistent part of

02:24:53.840 the lore of thor um uh so i just wanted to point that out because i thought it would be

02:25:01.440 worth noting um you know how much of that is marvel per se or how much of that is um

02:25:08.660 just kind of storytellers breaking down the poems kind of having some license with it um

02:25:16.580 um so the oh and the other is uh the word and i just saw it now and i was like

02:25:25.420 Ooh, I would love to see that. The word is ragi, R-A-G-I, as what he uses for when he says womanish, and the meaning of that word does not pop into my head.

02:25:46.100 i think most people on our show who have been um faithful to the icier might know like the

02:25:54.340 the word like ergi as to mean something of that nature but this one is kind of interesting and i

02:26:02.100 i just wanted to uh you know quickly take a look and see what we have with um

02:26:07.220 uh shaggy rag cowardly uh yeah rachna ragna um i know that most people would think of like

02:26:21.660 rachna uh rachna rock um as you know the twilight um time of the destruction of or the doom 0.70

02:26:29.840 of the gods or the doom

02:26:31.980 of the Jotuns.

02:26:35.960 But when used by itself

02:26:38.160 like ragmenska

02:26:40.240 it means 1.00

02:26:40.980 ignominious

02:26:43.080 calumny

02:26:46.060 or cowardice.

02:26:48.600 So

02:26:48.620 there I think it's

02:26:51.340 more likely to say that he's

02:26:54.060 saying his

02:26:54.680 running away 0.95

02:26:59.840 way, his, his, uh, cowardly behavior. But that's an interesting one to look in. If people are

02:27:07.200 interested in old Norse and we plug it almost every time, definitely get on Memrise. Um, and,

02:27:13.620 um, you know, getting, uh, learning old Norse, um, from, you know, various videos on YouTube,

02:27:23.880 be very very good and you know and getting yourself a good dictionary to kind of work

02:27:29.340 through is is really really important all right so it's not opened up uh opened up a thing

02:27:34.480 so morris taylor if you're still around uh asked a couple questions one we'll save it a little bit

02:27:42.500 later because it's not directly relevant but this one is uh is there a foreign language useful for

02:27:49.440 reading the lore question mark Icelandic so yes um what Svan was just talking about on Memrise

02:27:59.220 a number of us are really trying to work through some of that you will notice that uh Witten Svan

02:28:07.020 has a certain inherent uh familiarity with the lore due to his due to the land of his birth

02:28:19.440 He has come to us from the volcanic eruption that has become known as Iceland.

02:28:31.880 You're speaking of me like shield sheafing coming from Sweden to Denmark.

02:28:36.480 I'm on a little raft.

02:28:39.340 I was shipped from Iceland to Vinland to speak with colloquial accents.

02:28:49.440 mm-hmm it's exactly like that that is a faithful telling of how witness fawn came to us

02:28:59.280 so but realistically um the language that you want to the language that you are trying to read

02:29:08.640 is old is referred to commonly as old norse

02:29:11.920 my understanding is that old norse is to modern icelandic as you know shakespearean

02:29:24.240 elizabethan english is to modern age

02:29:30.080 you can mutually talk between the two it's been said by other linguistic sources that

02:29:37.520 have looked into that you know a modern icelander could speak to a you know to a viking and

02:29:44.560 on they would understand one another um you know i can save thee and thou and lo dust thou

02:29:55.200 you know dost thou question me verily shalt i answer your questions and i may sound silly but

02:30:02.720 you know what i'm saying and it makes sense it's similar in that there are differences but that's

02:30:08.880 why on memorize that spawn just talked about we or i am taking the icelandic and the old norse

02:30:17.520 course to try to be able to mix and match and hope i can utilize old norse vocabulary maybe with

02:30:24.880 modern icelandic sentencing and putting stuff together to make it work um but yeah that's

02:30:34.080 that's what pretty i say that there are bits of lore that are you know in old high german there

02:30:44.080 are bits of lore that are in anglo-saxon but 97 of the lore that we have is in old books

02:30:54.880 But I figured we'd knock that question out because it was relevant to what you were just speaking on.

02:31:01.100 Yeah, I think it's, I mean, it is worth noting, like, I'm not an Old Norse scholar. I'm on Memrise as well. I have the benefit of Icelandic being my first language, but I came here before I was even in grade school.

02:31:17.400 So my mother spoke immediately to my elder brother saying like, he needs to learn English immediately. I didn't know any English. And even though my father is American, he was stationed in Iceland outside of the Navy, even though he was in the Navy, because he learned the language.

02:31:40.400 so he was actually working with nato and so at the house when i was in iceland growing up there

02:31:46.880 it was just icelandic and i didn't i wasn't old enough to grasp that my father was american or in

02:31:53.840 the american military i even remember being picked on by some of the icelandic kids when i was little

02:32:00.240 for being a riki an ameriki which are american um and i didn't understand why i i have a very very

02:32:12.080 clear memory of like wondering why they were picking on me and i didn't understand what this

02:32:16.320 this was all about and then when we moved i had to immediately get shoved into

02:32:23.040 public school system in a very uh multicultural diverse military town and they really felt like

02:32:31.360 the language barrier would be bad so after about six years old um and on i i spoke english but

02:32:40.080 then as i started to come to the faith in my mid-teens um reading it speaking with my mother

02:32:48.800 about it it immediately kind of came back the uh a lot of the the um pronunciations so that's what

02:32:57.840 really started me on the road to looking into it and trying to understand more um and some of the

02:33:03.760 rules i just kind of automatically understood and um but i'm not you know like a learned old

02:33:12.240 nor scholar so you know we are um we're doing this with the with the best of intentions to show

02:33:20.880 because again i have i think too a lot of scholars don't look at the poetic meaning

02:33:25.120 and some of the kind of more cultural nuanced meanings behind some of the things that were

02:33:29.120 being said they kind of look for either literal translations or the closest thing that they can

02:33:34.880 find sometimes um or they just discount them and say like oh no this river doesn't really have a

02:33:40.160 meaning it's just a holy river uh that's a you know an error too so um and land of the blind

02:33:48.080 the one-eyed man is king well and i just encourage but i encourage everyone to gain that eye you know

02:33:56.160 that's another thing we're not coveting we're we're uh we want our folk to know more and to

02:34:02.400 read more. So if you learn Old Norse, or you learn Icelandic, all the more important.

02:34:10.080 So...

02:34:10.640 Hane got to covet because he is an Icelandic linguistic wizard,

02:34:16.240 casting his linguistic spells upon us all.

02:34:22.400 Well, so again, looking at it more too, when he says,

02:34:27.520 hard bother in rye um it's kind of like cowardly raggy weak um i immediately hit my mind because

02:34:39.600 this this is going to show you too i i'm very american um the uh the second mad max movie

02:34:47.680 um you know tina turner's referring to mel gibbs's character as the raggedy man and that is very much

02:34:54.240 kind of what's being said here is that you're you're a raggedy man doesn't make you american

02:35:00.400 that makes you australian oh well i mean it was marketed in america but i'm a child of the 80s 0.61

02:35:06.720 for sure bring your foreign nonsense on my shore that's a great movie um so uh you know he says 0.96

02:35:19.920 you know, I would, I'd smite thee if I could reach across the sound. Um, and Harbarth says in 28, 1.00

02:35:28.800 wherefore reach over the sound since strife, we have none. What Thor didst thou do then?

02:35:36.560 You know, like, why would you, why would you smite me? Again, this is a feigning. Just why

02:35:42.960 would you fight me? We have just a few minutes ago, you said we had no bad blood or you had no

02:35:49.120 bad blood with me um and then thor speaks in 29 eastward i was and the river i guarded well

02:35:57.200 where the sons of svar svarong or svarong sought me there stones did they hurl small joy did they

02:36:06.960 have of winning before me there to ask for peace did they fare what how barth did thou do the while

02:36:16.320 So this part is interesting. The Sons of Svarang may likely very much be an alluding to another story that we don't have. And this, again, really shows the incompleteness of the stories that were transferred to poems.

02:36:35.980 um and he says you know they hurled stones at me and um they had no chance of winning so much so

02:36:44.040 that when i you know when i went through them they begged for a truce they begged for peace

02:36:49.660 by the time i was done with them not he's not saying he gave it to him he's just saying by the

02:36:55.960 time i got i got into full swing they were they were begging for mercy um and he says what were

02:37:04.980 you doing? And Harbarth says, eastward I was and spake with a certain one. I played with the linen

02:37:13.760 white maid and met her by stealth. I gladdened the gold decked one and she granted me joy.

02:37:24.160 So this is where some people have taken this to mean that, and I think this is the main

02:37:34.080 crux of the argument that this is not lord odin but that this is um loki is that they try to say

02:37:42.080 that he went eastward and laid with golvey if anybody remembers from that story golvey is one

02:37:50.400 of the first emissaries of the vanir to step amongst the icier and she brings she's you know

02:37:57.280 in gold and she brings cunning and witchery um and the um you know that kind of uh lending to

02:38:08.240 that is that that this is really loki and he and he's slept with with gulvey or what more likely

02:38:16.160 may be the case is that this is another alluding to a story that is not you know known to us and

02:38:25.680 and you'll find people like, ah, see, this is, he says this here, and that's the reason why we

02:38:30.720 believe what we believe, or we think what we think, um, but without consideration of the entire whole

02:38:36.360 and what's going on, um, but it's, it's, you know, I, I think it's, uh, it's a stretch, and I think

02:38:48.640 that the gold decked one is referenced to women in or the women in general the pleasing sense of

02:38:56.000 women and a woman that is bedecked in gold is and with white arms or you know with fiery hair

02:39:04.320 these descriptions always hold kind of a sense of beauty in the cultural sense of of a woman so um

02:39:12.200 because he also you know i played with the linen white maid that he's referring absolutely to her

02:39:18.000 skin tone. She is linen white and I met her by stealth. And that kind of alludes to the idea 0.87

02:39:24.500 that she may be another married woman. Um, you know, and I gladdened the gold decked one and

02:39:32.400 she granted me joy. So some people kind of really take the, the, the good, uh, as being a specific,

02:39:41.320 uh trait to a specific being when i think that the linen white and the gold decked are both

02:39:50.280 referenced to a woman um and again it's harvard always speaks of his kind of sexual conquests

02:39:58.740 in the east amongst the the jotnar um and i think that that has a lot of stock especially

02:40:07.500 when you consider that most of the viking good were like military traveling warriors and you know

02:40:19.260 so we have a really

02:40:25.980 imagine if you will a day before the age of toxic masculinity um

02:40:32.860 um no that's a really

02:40:43.180 i think male and female audiences would respond to that he's able to go to foreign lands and you know

02:40:53.500 get the chicks and i think that it's not just like he's some dude in port somewhere

02:41:01.660 one of the things with the giants and you see this in the Yotnar encounters 0.90

02:41:10.080 in a later age in a later time they're you know these dullard like oh literally ogres and things

02:41:20.620 But in the high age of the Eddas, they're very often these very wise magicians, these primal geomancers or whatever, these sorcerers of these very primal elements.

02:41:44.060 And they're, I don't know the right way to relate this on the program and not offend anybody, but they're not just like, you know, some chick at the bar.

02:41:58.780 These are, these are wise and powerful elemental forces.

02:42:06.120 These are, you know, pretty difficult people to impress.

02:42:12.180 you'll see that when um when the gods interact with with jotnar in this way very often it's a

02:42:20.440 test of knowledge and of magic it's you know even the greatest of the gods go there and have to

02:42:27.900 prove themselves and it's not that level of superiority is not clear you know it's not

02:42:35.980 impressive for a god to go amongst mortals and score chicks that's you know they're gods it's

02:42:43.900 kind of a thing you can do going amongst the primordial like sorcerers and sorceresses of 1.00

02:42:53.580 our existence and the world it probably takes a lot to do well with the ladies in that way 0.75

02:43:02.600 and uh that's really i mean all of these things if it's not obvious to this point are these flexes

02:43:09.860 like yeah i'm whooping up on these giants what are you doing well guess what i'm doing you know and

02:43:15.260 it's these are all flexes and that's not without without note certainly to this audience he is able

02:43:22.300 to go um woo these giantesses of of great stature as far as their their intellect

02:43:32.600 and their value it's really different you know 0.95

02:43:39.320 it's much more of an accomplishment than it may seem like and it is a huge accomplishment that

02:43:44.920 thor is able to best these immensely powerful beings in combat it is also very impressive

02:43:55.080 that uh laura odin is able to to bed these giantesses um and the com the comparison in a

02:44:04.840 you know like locker room back and forth is it's rich with meaning and i think it's

02:44:12.120 a little bit more than maybe a modern audience would read in the text

02:44:16.440 well and i mean you speak of like the esoteric nature of it i mean obviously

02:44:29.640 people might be like well are you reaching for this again when thor goes to jotunheim and he

02:44:35.640 drinks from the horn and he lowers the seas in midgard the context of primordial natures to the

02:44:43.240 east is clearly already established the idea of how the east affects the middle um because it is

02:44:50.040 also in the middle is already established so we're not really stretching it very far and the idea

02:44:55.960 that the that really what we're looking at is two divine powers going into the primordial and

02:45:05.000 attacking or defeating or conquering in very different ways one is done through subterfuge

02:45:12.600 One is done through charisma and with guile, and the other is done with brute force and bravery.

02:45:20.540 And that's ultimately what's kind of being said here, is that Lord Odin moves through and in to the aggression against the gods in a way that is, you know, again, when he steps out of the castle, when he steps out of heaven, all bets are off.

02:45:41.480 dynamicism is is about winning it's not about you know following ardent rules and uh lord thor when

02:45:51.100 he steps out of the out of the heavenly realm his nature takes over and that is to simply drive a

02:45:58.040 wedge to you know thorn or to purge through that which is which is in front of him so it's really

02:46:05.540 i think talking about their natures in the way that they conquer the primordial um

02:46:16.100 and so i i think it's worth noting here and this is just throwing kind of random stuff out i don't

02:46:22.740 want to over um i don't know overplay what relevance this has but um these very primal forces

02:46:35.540 uh there's something to be said for being able to best primal forces in matters of lust and

02:46:54.020 sexuality because they are they are that they're very primal in in that nature and it's really

02:47:02.500 different for so for somebody to go

02:47:08.580 i feel like this is a little bit overstating i don't know how to make an analogy that's not

02:47:12.420 too stretched but from something that is is astral and very much from the upper world to

02:47:19.780 go to something that is very primal and be able to best them at a primal thing is

02:47:27.620 a powerful display of of your ability in all realms

02:47:35.700 you know if you're a if you're a competitive you know lifter and you can go to a chess

02:47:43.700 tournament and whoop up on the chess champions at the same time that's a really interesting way to

02:47:51.780 show ability and aptitude and that's one of the cool there's so many things in this that clearly

02:48:01.700 point to harbarth being lord oden that it's kind of ridiculous to think otherwise and i think that

02:48:09.380 people who do are working off of um river and that was an idea that he had at a time where we had a

02:48:16.980 lot less a lot less points of reference than we have um but you know that's one of the big things

02:48:28.180 about lord owen is his ability to travel through the worlds and do things his versatility um and

02:48:36.500 i think some of that is displayed in that he can best these giants and tests of uh of wisdom he can

02:48:45.620 best them in sexual conquests he can invest them in a lot of ways that are very

02:48:54.500 i'm coming at it from several different angles in a lot of ways he is a

02:49:03.540 a renaissance man to the extreme the fact that he is so versatile in his his skill set and his

02:49:09.860 level of mastery of things show his preeminence as the the king of the gods the father of the gods

02:49:18.660 the all father um we were on 31 correct

02:49:35.060 i believe yes you know that better than i do

02:49:40.580 because I'm the one that takes us on these crazy excursions widely afield from the text.

02:49:48.340 I promise when I do it I think it's relevant and I hope it's useful.

02:49:54.500 Well so in 31 Thor speaks and he says, and remember too you're going to notice it's one

02:49:59.940 line and a one line and a one line. There is no real poetic measure here. This is a very chaotic

02:50:06.180 um poem um and again i think that we have to remember poems come from stories i believe that

02:50:14.500 the story ultimately is was inspired by um again like the slavic sense of the dynamic verses and i

02:50:23.680 think that's the power of what makes the gods um is that when we hear the stories about them it's

02:50:31.320 it's uh the the truths or the the mysteries in them are clearly there and i think that the the

02:50:38.600 gods know this um it's not incumbent upon them to just simply state it is that it exists and it

02:50:45.640 exists with us to have the inclination to look deeper into them but um you know they

02:50:54.440 you you see the the measure and the overall sense so when people really like lean in hard on

02:51:00.360 on on these being like a bible it's like you gotta know and remember no these have you know

02:51:08.120 issues with them whether they're you know misquoting certain you know characters in the

02:51:13.960 other stories or they just get chaotic and stop following me like poetic measure completely and

02:51:20.920 this is like the whole section of this um the other thing is is that this one is going to really

02:51:27.480 get the goose of um uh i think people who are of this day and age and their sense of morality

02:51:38.360 um because he speaks about um holding down a jotun made um so thor speaks and he says

02:51:50.280 full fair was thy woman finding now in there that line he he says that uh

02:51:57.080 the word me man kini uh k-y-n-n-i um and mon of course being the neutral word for

02:52:07.880 people um it's interesting that he specifically used woman finding and i don't know i mean

02:52:15.000 obviously i i think that fits because of the entirety of the subject they're talking about

02:52:19.640 but it's not necessarily the word that would immediately lend to that um you know that uh

02:52:26.440 and mon of course being people and um kenny being like the inspiration or lighting of um

02:52:36.040 so you know you know or it could have been meant that way oh you're very good at and you know um

02:52:41.880 kind of what is it you know igniting the people you meet or inflaming the passions of the people

02:52:50.520 you meet even though he's clearly talking about just consistently wooing over um harbar speaks

02:52:58.280 thy help did i need then thor to hold the the white maid fast so i should you know i wish i had

02:53:06.840 your strength to um you know keep the wriggling made um still and thor speaks gladly had i been

02:53:17.320 there my help to thee had been given and then harbarth retorts i might have trusted thee then

02:53:24.440 did thou not betray thy troth and then thor returns no heel biter am i in truth like an

02:53:32.440 old leather shoe in spring so this exchange here is um you know while i was in the east and i was 0.62

02:53:41.720 you know conquesting uh i could have used you to to pin down that wriggling maid um how you know

02:53:49.560 uh wily she was um and so a lot of people immediately take this into they're talking

02:53:55.640 about rape and uh more likely if you look at some of the runic names that are on stones the idea of

02:54:03.880 like the wiliness or the ability inability to be pinned down and i think that reference is here

02:54:10.920 is that he's saying like she was wily and maybe even very flexible is a kind of a thing he's

02:54:19.080 alluding to and he's like i really could have used your help with your strength you could have held

02:54:23.400 are still um and he said you know i gladly would i've been there um um and my help i would give

02:54:32.280 um and then harbar the returns with well i can't trust you um you know you you're you're known for

02:54:41.860 turning on your word and he said no heel biter um the heel biter in an essence back biter and

02:54:49.280 you know giving um you know a shoe is supposed to protect your foot the ultimate insult the

02:54:57.840 shoe can do is give you a blister in the heel is kind of what's being alluded to in that use of the

02:55:05.120 word um so i'm no heel has betrayed me if that is the case what's that i said many a shoe has

02:55:14.320 betrayed me yes and i think that's where the source of the colloquial meaning comes from

02:55:19.680 is like yeah it's it's like um calling a shield wrist breaker you know it's supposed to protect

02:55:27.040 you but yet when it gets hit it snaps your wrist in half so i am no heel biter you mentioned wrist

02:55:35.920 breaker it's random point of interest that is the colloquial code name for the model sword

02:55:43.200 that relentless the afa sword is oh because it's heavy and you got to be

02:55:50.560 you got to be uh mighty of arm to wield it less than damage your wrist right it's going to work

02:55:58.800 against you just you know along with your enemies if you're not strong enough um the entire uh

02:56:09.760 stanza 36 again it gets very chaotic it's a one-liner and it's simply that that question

02:56:15.440 again what thor did thou do while and thor speaks he says in hlesi the brides of the berserkers

02:56:26.000 slew i most evil they were and all they betrayed um

02:56:33.440 Um, and Harbarth says, shame, did thou win that woman thou slewest? Did you manage to bed any of 0.59

02:56:44.280 these, you know, uh, berserker wives? And this is kind of an interesting thing here. So the usage 1.00

02:56:51.000 of the berserker and the idea that berserkers or were kind of scary edge, they weren't community

02:57:00.720 based berserkers weren't seen as people you could have around they were kind of very much

02:57:06.560 on the edges of society and so calling them berserker brides or berserker wives um is again 0.90

02:57:14.160 even going further over that edge line towards troll wives troll witches um evil thurser maidens 0.96

02:57:24.480 um and he's you know slay slays them all and harbarth says you know it's a shame 0.97

02:57:29.680 did you win any of them before you slayed them and um

02:57:36.080 he says you know she wolves they were like and women but little so he's like they were more like

02:57:45.120 female wolves than women um my ship which well i had trimmed did they shake with clubs of iron 0.93

02:57:55.760 they threatened and the alvi they drove off what how barf didst thou uh thou the while so 1.00

02:58:07.360 he's uh makes a mention but he says yo they were not i could not bed them they weren't women

02:58:13.040 they were she wolves and they had grasped my ship um and shook it and this is again there's no real

02:58:24.880 named or mentioning of a specific ship that that um thor owns or this could again be alluding to

02:58:31.920 another story where he was on a ship and these troll wives these um witch wolf women you know 0.97

02:58:40.560 grasp onto the edges of his boat to try to tip it um they they you know they they shaked it and they 1.00

02:58:49.120 swung iron clubs at him and they they chased the alfay off and that's what makes me believe that

02:58:54.160 this might be again another um alluding to another story because the alfi is we if for those familiar

02:59:03.360 the alfi and roskva travel with thor to jotunheim and the alfi seems to be again a continuing

02:59:10.160 character in the stories there may have been other stories about him and lord thor

02:59:15.680 traveling about and this might have been one of them but they they chase him off um

02:59:21.120 so while i was fending off the um you know venomous trolls uh what were you doing so he's

02:59:31.920 like i'm out here you know i'm fighting it i'm giving it the good fight what were you doing

02:59:38.480 um harbar says in 40 in the host i was that hither fared the banners to raise and the spear to redden

02:59:48.720 so this there's a uh an interesting point of this what it may seem is and what's being spoken of is

02:59:58.520 um i was in the the the troll wives and the and the she wolves and the yotans or or what have you

03:00:08.720 i was in their group i was in their midst and i was encouraging them to fight you and a lot of

03:00:15.380 people, again, point this out. That's Loki. That's Loki. That's why he was in or amongst

03:00:23.060 the throng. If we're going to look at it like that, one thing that's worth noting too is that

03:00:29.060 oftentimes Lord Odin is seen as the one who aggresses against you at the greatest moment

03:00:38.600 or the moment of choosing. He does this with Sigurd's father, Sigmund, and repeatedly over

03:00:44.300 and over again. And, uh, you know, I, if I was to read in this more in a story sense, I would

03:00:50.060 definitely say if he's amongst the throng, encouraging these Jotun's to attack his son, 1.00

03:00:55.100 he's doing it because he's making his son stronger. He's, he's throwing these, these, uh, 1.00

03:01:03.020 you know, forces against him. He's angling the forces to, to again, build his son up. Um,

03:01:09.840 but it also might just be again another insult towards him that he's saying oh yeah yeah i

03:01:17.120 remember that because i was there and i encouraged it it could be something as simple as that because

03:01:21.940 that again readdresses harbar's kind of goading nature um even if he wasn't actually there and

03:01:30.580 doing it he's saying that he did it in order to make sure that he knows oh yeah it's like i'm the

03:01:35.940 reason that even happened um and also swan what is uh you know one of lord odin's um

03:01:51.140 hectic or other uh names he's known by oh bull worker yeah ill worker that's the thing is there's

03:02:05.940 In context, so many of these references are very much in character with Lord Odin's by names, with the stuff that he is, either takes credit for doing or is accused of doing.

03:02:23.880 And his flex on Thor about how the noble in battle go to Odin's Hall and Thor just gets the commoners or whatever.

03:02:35.720 he talks about stirring strife amongst you know amongst the princes and

03:02:40.920 bringing them to battle i think there's a lot of

03:02:51.000 there is common sense to a lot of these things if you read it in the way that normal human beings

03:02:58.520 would read these things but it's very tempting to some to run with a wild theory that you can

03:03:08.280 try to like wedge in there like aha i know a secret that you guys don't know what about this

03:03:14.360 new theory that i came up with and you can do it to a lot of different things and i don't think

03:03:19.880 it's always bad intended but it's not done from a place of piety it's done from a place of i don't

03:03:27.880 know perhaps scholasticism perhaps hubris but there's very much a common sense place to take

03:03:39.880 these things now we got 20 more verses and we're going to hit those two weeks from now

03:03:46.920 we're going to cut off our uh study of the harbar field right now and we'll answer some of the

03:03:55.480 questions that we haven't got to and any additional questions you guys might have

03:04:00.360 and we'll get to the conclusion of this here in two weeks um i hope you will and i'm gonna

03:04:06.760 try to pressure them into it flex on them get them to but uh swan we would love to have you on

03:04:12.520 next week as part of our centennial program um i'm gonna try to get a whole bunch of different

03:04:20.840 people on nobody's really got to leave until we start stacking up but i want to celebrate a lot

03:04:27.160 of the guests that we've had you've been you know been on almost 50 of the shows that we've done so

03:04:35.080 we would love to have you here for part of it you certainly don't have to be here for all of it if

03:04:38.840 you don't want yeah i'm definitely i'll definitely um love to have you call in and uh celebrate with

03:04:44.440 us absolutely um yeah it's man duh doesn't seem like it's been you know 99 episodes so far um

03:05:03.720 We have learned a lot in those not quite two years that we've been doing this.

03:05:21.720 Nick has helped out tremendously behind the scenes and he's so often unsung because we

03:05:26.720 him one here but um producing this show and you know making it all work is a lot of work

03:05:35.840 that he does on the back end folks that don't and why would you there's no way that anybody

03:05:42.880 listening to this or even the vast majority of people involved in afa leadership would

03:05:48.640 really understand but i mean i'd say nick

03:05:56.400 top three as far as hard workers in the afa i'd say pretty confidently um

03:06:07.440 nick is nick does lots for us all of the time and helping the show be a success is

03:06:13.840 a big part of what he does and we appreciate it a lot

03:06:18.640 um see where we've got there have been kind of interesting things floating in and out of the chat

03:06:26.640 one of those things is one of the many things that nick does is nick offers your professional

03:06:34.180 services to people for free nick says that you will show up at winter night and winter nights

03:06:40.980 and cut people's hair for free signed you up for this yeah so no that's i mean that's fair i've

03:06:50.820 done it before um and i enjoyed doing it it really kind of depends on the situation and it generally

03:06:57.780 uh if there's a three-day weekend if we're doing friday saturday sunday it most likely will be in

03:07:02.580 the beginning of of friday and i know a lot of folks can't get there until perhaps they're

03:07:08.100 leaving work early or what have you i try to do a little bit saturday morning but that depends on

03:07:13.780 scheduling that also depends on my children if i have my children with me um and and you know my

03:07:20.420 wife is busy or what have you like uh at winter nights you know it was perfect my wife was had

03:07:26.900 the kids and everything was fine i was able to go how long was that i was here but that was like

03:07:32.180 eight hours of did you cut your hair did you cut hair this last winter nights uh

03:07:40.260 the one in ohio okay i did not i was going to say this last one we had at sagerheim

03:07:45.940 i did not get my hair cut by you no no and that's because of the

03:07:51.060 well the electricity kind of a unique setting um but i've i've done it many times before and people

03:07:59.620 will overuse your generosity and have you out there doing it's really kind of a nice thing

03:08:05.840 and i appreciate that you do it i'll try to plan so i can get at least touched up by you there um

03:08:14.440 that's saying that so you will be joining us up in new hampshire this year yes absolutely that's

03:08:22.020 awesome so those of you that may not know i suppose it's an okay time to plug it wasn't my

03:08:27.140 intention but might as well um for the first time we're going to be celebrating our our national

03:08:34.020 winter nights up in new hampshire that's august 11th through the 13th i would encourage anybody

03:08:41.140 who can to join us up there i am excited i've never been to that part of the country i think

03:08:49.060 the furthest north on that coast i've ever been is the boston area for something a number of years

03:08:58.420 ago but even then it was just kind of fly in go to the go to the moon fly out so i'm eager to see it

03:09:05.620 i'm excited to be up there and hang out with all of our uh far northeast afa family anybody else

03:09:14.980 who can make it up there and uh spawn will be up there cutting hair so there we go um

03:09:23.780 so i said this and i literally put this in the text to mandy you've been looking real 0.85

03:09:29.940 good the past two episodes fawn and i texted no homo so it made it all right um 0.76

03:09:38.260 but you're looking sharp no i noticed like so i really like my barber he's awesome but 0.95

03:09:43.060 But his hair looks like crap and he always wears a hat and he's kind of, you know, disheveled like a gentleman.

03:09:50.320 And that seems to be a commonality amongst barbers that I've interacted with. 0.98

03:09:55.980 So somebody's doing your hair and seems like doing an okay job.

03:10:00.360 Well, so one of the things like the last episode and the time before my hair has grown out.

03:10:05.740 I normally cut it really, really short.

03:10:08.200 It's grown out.

03:10:09.140 It was grown out so much because I hadn't had a haircut.

03:10:11.620 and one of the kind of rules that you want to look for is when you go to a barber shop

03:10:16.340 you look for the barber that has a lot of hair around his um his chair because he just doesn't

03:10:22.100 have time to clean it up and he's wearing a hat and has like a terrible haircut because that guy

03:10:27.140 is giving everyone else in the barber shop their haircuts and that's the guy you want to go for and

03:10:32.740 that so like i was getting super super long and i um i ended up cutting my own hair so this is

03:10:40.820 this is my own work which i don't don't normally do on myself but i knew

03:10:45.780 that vns you're right for me what's what's that right face oh

03:10:54.260 yeah it looks sharp looks good yeah i um i did it all on my own and that was just because

03:11:00.420 i had a break and i needed to get it done i knew vm vns was coming up and i just felt like a shaggy

03:11:05.300 mess and it's starting to get really hot here in virginia but you should have kept your beard where

03:11:09.860 you had it two weeks ago no yeah i had to cut it back in you looked like some kind of like i don't

03:11:18.180 know some kind of some kind of whale boat captain or something like cob pipe it looked awesome not

03:11:27.940 so completely no joke it really did look awesome i stared into the darkness from the lighthouse

03:11:34.660 slick that's the thing when i grow my beard in the winter time i am limited by the little extenders

03:11:42.900 on my my uh my clippers that i got because i don't know how to trim it up to get it a little

03:11:49.700 bit longer i go a little bit more if i had like bigger extenders on the trimmer but no it looks

03:11:57.220 sharp so it goes to a quest this is not just um rambling about your appearance it does go to a

03:12:04.020 question that we have over in the in the uh in the questions uh from eric the red light

03:12:13.300 uh a barber question for spawn nice do certain head shapes go better with certain hairstyles

03:12:22.980 is that just a thing on the internet

03:12:24.820 um if so there's a difference between a head shape and a face shape and i i'm assuming that

03:12:34.420 you're talking about face shapes um yes face shapes do affect if you have um kind of a larger

03:12:42.740 like generally we look at right around the nose and ear everything above the nose and ear if it's

03:12:48.500 larger and you have like a slider chin, um, you know, getting, uh, like high fades are not good

03:12:55.680 because it'll look like, you know, like a swath of hair on a, on a watermelon or, you know, on a,

03:13:00.880 on a, uh, uh, just, you don't want that. You want more of a rounded fade, lower fade.

03:13:09.140 Like who? Like Bert. Yes. Like Bert or, or, uh, even Ernie too, kind of has that,

03:13:16.320 just that swath of hair on the top of his head. And then there, the sides are kind of ultimately

03:13:20.840 skinned. Um, but then you could also like, I want to get a high skin fade. Well, then if you have 0.85

03:13:27.120 a slighter, narrower face, grow your beard out, that will even out the differences between the

03:13:33.300 two. So face shape does matter. It's not just an internet thing, head shape. You can't really help

03:13:38.620 that. And I, I would think again, every time, um, I was here to go, that brings up like calipers

03:13:43.920 and stuff one of the big things you should consider and this is just a commonality thing 0.99

03:13:48.800 amongst the aryan folk is that um the bridge of the nose and the crook of the ear and that space

03:13:57.920 on the side of your head between the crook of your ear and and what we the parietal ridge that's 0.81

03:14:03.760 where your fade space is so if you have higher ears or let's just say um you might have a kind

03:14:11.200 of a smaller uh more stockier skull um you know getting a fade might not be the best thing it

03:14:18.960 might be better to simply get like a fade in the temples and a little on the neck and go for more

03:14:23.760 of a taper and if anybody's ever confused it's like what is a taper and what is a fade just

03:14:28.000 remember a fade is a line that is created by a zero guard or a zero clipper they make a line in

03:14:36.560 the zero and we have multiple zeros there's zero a triple zero four zero five zero and the bigger

03:14:42.480 the zero number gets the closer it is till eventually we get to like razor or bald fades

03:14:48.160 um and that your hair fades into the line that's created if you get a taper it's utilizing your

03:14:55.440 natural um hairline it's just it could go down to like a one or is just a zero way at the very very

03:15:02.720 bottom and that's what you know getting a taper is but yeah face shape does matter um

03:15:10.080 it's it's not so terribly important i think as the articles make it but there is some

03:15:15.360 considerations when i when i look at a client um and they ask me to do a certain type of haircut

03:15:21.680 i'll say well you know your face shape is like this so maybe we should uh you know do a mid

03:15:29.120 in in the front and arc it up to a high and then drop it low in the back so that way as it grows

03:15:35.520 in it grows better and envelops your head as opposed to just doing the you know like the forest

03:15:41.120 gump frankenstein kind of thing like i got going on now and that's because i did it myself um your

03:15:48.160 hair looks immaculate at the moment well and i'm wearing um yeah most people might be familiar with

03:15:56.880 murray's murray's pomade normally um it is sold to um the the uh what is it you said the ebon

03:16:05.840 huge folk stop we we would like to use the well they they made one for our folk too called super

03:16:15.520 light and it's like a double whipped one and that's what i'm using now stop the hair product

03:16:21.600 that everyone listening to this fine broadcast should use but they should it doesn't speak to

03:16:30.560 their people but they should still sponsor the program here you are plugging it gorilla snot i

03:16:36.640 wish i had my bottle with me i would hold it up to the camera believe in this product it is priced

03:16:42.800 affordably it holds amazingly we've got several varieties different gorillas on the bottle

03:16:53.920 sporting different kinds of hair a lot of that seems like nonsense i but they all smell different

03:17:00.320 they all smell good they hold awesome and if you get something messed up and you like wet your hand

03:17:09.200 and like run it through your hair to fix it it refreezes i used to use pomade and it's difficult

03:17:15.840 to get out of your hair if you get the waxy kind um i used to use ruzel and i thought it was awesome

03:17:21.760 because it's got a pig on it because they used to use pig fat they don't use pig fat anymore that's

03:17:26.080 deceptive don't be fooled don't be fooled also full disclosure gorilla snot does not contain

03:17:35.440 gorilla snot don't be don't be misled um i say this i do have two barbering questions one kind 0.85

03:17:43.520 of ridiculous one serious when you're cutting in somebody's um somebody's doing sideburns 0.80

03:17:51.680 do you do it even to the ear or even to the face like even to each other or even to the ear 0.82

03:17:56.960 always do even to each other because people have different features sometimes um you know ears and

03:18:02.080 nose are off my my ears are off so what the the way that i was taught from the old barber he's

03:18:08.960 passed away since um uh 2020 he didn't die from covet or anything like that he died from heart

03:18:16.320 failure great guy um and just a curmudgeon of a barber that you know i've been cutting hair since

03:18:22.560 the 60s and he hated hippies with such a virulent hatred that it was i just would get giddy when he

03:18:28.400 talked about it um he taught me and said just imagine oh you know you set one sideburn to where

03:18:36.000 the customer wants it and then you look at them and picture them kind of being submerged in water

03:18:41.760 and follow that line across and that's where you set it because the ears the eyes and the nose are

03:18:47.280 not great indicators i feel like i would be like this if we were doing that because i cut my uh

03:18:53.600 cut my sideburns to to the ear so that's interesting I think I was unaware I was doing

03:19:01.360 it incorrectly well and if your ears are are even then it's not an issue uh and also too you know

03:19:08.540 you're running I can see right now your your temple fade is is uh medium high and you're

03:19:14.000 looking at like a zero so it's not super I got what the guy does it's nothing right now but when

03:19:21.220 i get when i get shaggy my guy's awesome i've been going to them for a long time honestly i

03:19:27.940 talk to him about you a lot with your like barber and stuff also try to sell him to be a official

03:19:34.260 distributor of the swab or of the uh he doesn't he uh he goes for the uh the other high brand

03:19:45.540 no he doesn't use suavecito either he does with like the chick that i think she's like in a

03:19:50.340 martini glass or something what's i used to use that one and that's bothering me i can't remember

03:19:54.900 what it is oh lay right yeah he uses lay right yep i'm trying he's you guys are both wrong you

03:20:01.780 need to be suave or you need to be uh grill snot distributors moco de gorilla see um i can just 0.53

03:20:11.540 picture you doing like some mexican like spokesperson for it if they would compensate me

03:20:19.540 in uh pastor tacos or burritos or pastor anything so that's a random side thing not at all relevant

03:20:30.260 to anything we're discussing but since moving out uh out west i say out west i was in alaska

03:20:37.780 as far west as you can go in these united states but we did not have a lot of great taco culture

03:20:43.860 up there pastor that is a meat you can't get a lot of places it's unfortunate it's delicious

03:20:50.980 like barbecued pork somebody told me it was like a middle eastern by way of mexico

03:21:00.980 kind of recipe i don't know if that's the case but it's a thing out here and i don't find it

03:21:06.260 any place else i go for the mexican food so uh there you go um for what it's worth but we are

03:21:14.420 generating barber questions oh i said i had two do you ever give anybody side hawks like the dude

03:21:20.180 from prodigy or like hawk from the legion of doom no no i've never oh actually once there was a young

03:21:28.660 kid and he told me he was trying to emulate a haircut from a star wars animated show in which

03:21:38.080 there was two hawks that connected in the back and then became a single hawk that's as crazy as

03:21:44.480 i've done but i did it with a razor blade i um you know i shaved it down bald um and he was very

03:21:50.860 happy but it took a long time to do it um fair enough also if you want to go and you find

03:21:56.720 yourself in virginia beach area and you want to get a jerry curl this gentleman will not do it for

03:22:03.280 you he says he does not he does not he has not possessed the kin to do these things my soul does

03:22:10.100 not glow he could give you the gumby like eraser kid from kid and play thing i think you can make

03:22:18.760 that happen i don't think you're necessarily inclined to make it happen but you could if you

03:22:23.220 wanted to yeah when you go to barber school one of the big things is uh barber schools are

03:22:28.020 predominantly well in my area especially um you're gonna find it's it's predominantly a black 1.00

03:22:33.700 barbershop style um and i learned just really good fading techniques from the blacks and then

03:22:42.100 i learned shaving from the filipinos i had a filipino kind of teacher his name is romeo and 0.91

03:22:48.740 and he taught me about shaving the face.

03:22:50.860 And then when I left,

03:22:52.500 I had to physically find a folk barber

03:22:56.160 and I found a really old one.

03:22:58.260 And he's the one that kind of culminated

03:23:00.300 all of my skill into where I was going.

03:23:03.380 But I definitely learned from different folk

03:23:08.640 when they were doing stuff.

03:23:09.980 And our people don't have a barber culture anymore.

03:23:12.800 It was completely demolished by Vidal Sassoon 0.80

03:23:16.140 the whole uh 1960s you know women getting pixie cuts and men growing their hair out egregiously

03:23:22.140 and um if you don't look good he don't look good yeah well i mean they they um

03:23:30.460 they you know like strip malls was it ron paul and all that stuff started to become a thing

03:23:38.460 um you know hair cutteries and sports clips and all of those uh folk men don't have a place to go

03:23:45.500 and i don't just cut exclusively folk men i i have um some non-folk clients who are really great guys

03:23:52.140 and they really like my work and i you know i don't um begrudge them anything and um you heard

03:23:58.940 it here folks fawn is advertising for a rainbow coalition of folks to attend his um his barber

03:24:06.700 shop no i just i have a preference shave a z in it or whatever you uh whatever you're doing

03:24:15.500 oh i do mainly vintage cuts and i prefer straight hair over uh curly hair obviously or like tight

03:24:21.180 tight curly hair and uh most black barbers seek out their own cultural places and i think that's

03:24:27.740 i really wish that's something that we could do um and kind of kid i'm on a stupid tangent tonight

03:24:33.500 but this guy who so i used to be that guy that would just run one length i think it was like a

03:24:41.500 two over my beard and my facial hair you guys will see some um

03:24:49.980 actually i'm gonna throw nick a picture right now i don't i don't know why we're on this

03:24:54.940 barber thing don't i guess the barber questions don't overanalyze it just enjoy it um

03:25:04.540 ask more i love barber questions that's great no barber questions are cool and they're kind

03:25:08.860 of a neat aside i am going to get to all the honest like serious questions i'm not just being

03:25:14.140 ridiculous but it is what the man does and he's a very very good farmer oh uh there was a question

03:25:20.940 about tips for trimming a beard yeah hey while i'm locating a picture of myself with my former

03:25:27.020 haircut can you go ahead and advise folks on trip tips for uh trimming one's own beard and shaping

03:25:34.940 it yes one thing to consider is the shape of your face um the reason why i have the beard that i do

03:25:42.620 is because i feel that my the sides of my face below my ears are wider um or at least it you

03:25:48.940 know it widens out at the top and it widens out at the bottom so one consideration you might have

03:25:54.780 is to go for what is called a hollywoodian beard which is where you shave the sideburn and what

03:26:00.780 this does is it makes the profile of your face much more square and thin so if you're a rounder

03:26:06.380 faced guy and you're growing a beard out and it looks like a hula skirt on a coconut trim that

03:26:12.220 thing down and then continue the line and the way you can do that really is if you get yourself a

03:26:18.140 pair of long scissors and you comb your beard and then use the the cuts um you know vertically

03:26:27.420 and then just go straight across the bottom unless you're trying to do a 45 so you could do you know

03:26:33.100 straight down straight down across the bottom and then you get your mustache by going you take the

03:26:39.420 the scissors and you go 45 degree away from your lip and you cut down because you don't want to

03:26:44.380 cut your mustache down to one length it becomes like aggressive velcro and if you're kissing your

03:26:50.700 wife or you're kissing your girlfriend it's gonna be bad you want it to be a little bit longer on

03:26:55.580 top so it's softer and um you cut them up that's how you stake your claim right you could tell by

03:27:02.620 the by the burns on her face um the other thing is that like if you do have sides like i'm a big

03:27:09.020 promoter for the hollywoodian but if you do have sides one of the things you can do is take a beard

03:27:13.500 trim and you just find a number that fits well for you like say right up here at like a one and then

03:27:21.100 you just put on the two go a little lower and just work with it until you're right about your

03:27:27.020 ear level so think about it your sideburns are places where you can play and fade things don't

03:27:32.540 go any further down into the beard unless you absolutely have to you know what's that no you're

03:27:39.500 fine i'm gonna throw a pause in because he says he's leaving hey monk it was really really nice

03:27:44.380 to go and see and meet your wife today on the floor to answering her any questions she might

03:27:48.860 have i gave her my number i hope she'll text me any stuff she needs or any questions but it was

03:27:54.540 really nice and i'm glad to uh to get to do that i hope you have a really good night sorry speaking

03:28:00.140 to a friend of a friend of mine and a member out here in in nevada um continue with your stuff but

03:28:07.260 i do have a kind of a follow-up question about the mustache well and i see here it says true

03:28:11.500 uh you know i trim my own beard or like help a hermit out one of the things you really need

03:28:17.580 is just a like a longer pair of scissors you can buy them very cheaply get get the china brand from 0.65

03:28:24.220 walmart uh get yourself a comb uh make sure that you wash and semi-dry your beard so it's fully

03:28:31.420 stretched and then you can trim like if you think about it like v-shape 45s or flat across the

03:28:39.500 bottom if it's really really close you're gonna need an edger and the edger can generally you

03:28:46.620 you can buy a norelco edger for like 20 bucks and they'll have little teeny heads like or guards on

03:28:52.560 them and you can use that to um you know fade the sides if you or taper the sides is really what it

03:28:59.500 is um so yeah you know you you uh use the scissors for your mustache use the scissors for the general

03:29:05.820 shape of your beard use the trimmer to make sure that it's angled flat and straight and then the

03:29:12.260 last and final part I would say is get yourself a cheap, you know, razor. Uh, the big thing you

03:29:17.500 want to look out for is anything that doesn't have like a, a really, a lot of razors now have

03:29:22.480 like six blades and the very wide head and you can't get down to your beard line. Um, so a safety

03:29:30.880 razor or a razor with just two blades on it, put your finger on your beard and then just go, you

03:29:37.180 know, across the grain or up the grain, depending on how sensitive your skin is and kind of clear

03:29:42.020 your your your face out um every once in a while if you use a an electric shaver use one with

03:29:48.900 horizontal cutters never the circular those things are garbage you can find them on uh amazon they're

03:29:56.100 horizontal this is a strange turn and we do have questions that are more house and true related

03:30:04.740 but while we're on all this stuff because i think we got people that would like to know

03:30:08.820 um oh yeah here's a picture there is me um it's a cool picture honestly the uh tri-horns for the

03:30:17.700 afa come from that stone in the center there that's the snow left stone in denmark and that's

03:30:26.980 me and uh um founder steven mcnalen and uh brad taylor hicks on our trip to denmark in 2014.

03:30:38.500 but yeah i just took like a number two and i did everything number two um because again i got i got

03:30:46.900 the tism when it comes to that and when you start cutting to even stuff up soon enough you've got

03:30:52.980 nothing because you're endlessly trying to make adjustments and you can only take away you can't

03:31:00.740 add so it kind of goes to where my thing is on mustache if it starts getting in my mouth

03:31:11.940 i've got to cut it or i'm going to chew it or i'm going to do some other nonsense to where

03:31:17.300 i'm going to mess with it so i try to cut it to my lip so the lip is exposed

03:31:26.100 but not beyond the lip but then i play with like different angles of the like it's endlessly tedious

03:31:34.180 is that a thing or am i just crazy do other people mess with that because i know like in

03:31:39.460 the old west you have it down to like i mean it just hangs down and you can take it out to the

03:31:45.380 side if you want yeah if you use wax um but yeah you you eat it and um uh i just recently trimmed

03:31:54.740 mine um the big thing i would say is um comb your your mustache down and then what i i call the

03:32:03.620 awkward elevator smile get a smile without showing your teeth and what you do is you you you slide

03:32:11.220 the scissor in to where you want it to be cut you think about about a 45 degree angle off your lip

03:32:16.900 and you just work your way across and when you un-relax or when you relax your face

03:32:22.740 the cut will follow your lip so you force it to be straight cut it straight and then it relaxes

03:32:29.300 gentlemen i think you understand exactly why we're having this conversation ladies you may not

03:32:34.820 there really is a lot of it that goes into that your face is literally your first impression you

03:32:41.700 make with people and so one thing that stood out to me a lot to bring it back in um when i was at

03:32:51.140 the museum in stockholm so there's this silly hollywood thing about our ancestors being these

03:33:02.500 like ooga booga roadkill wearing ridiculous barbarians and it wasn't the case most of the

03:33:13.140 archaeological finds i say most maybe that's a stretch a massive chunk of the archaeological 0.65

03:33:20.660 finds are personal hygiene items and a lot of them are these little like um clippers for like

03:33:29.700 beard and facial hair trimming it was really important to our ancestors and you know to guys

03:33:36.660 that don't want to look ridiculous today it's important too so it's kind of neat when we get

03:33:42.580 an expert in the field to be able to give us some tips even though he cannot tell us how to activate

03:33:49.380 our jerry curls if that's that's the route we wanted to take which hopefully i just saw mike

03:33:56.500 he said just let it shine through talking about my soul glow feeling oh so silky smooth

03:34:03.780 all right we're gonna we're gonna take it back to something that's less nonsensical um morris

03:34:10.500 taylor asked early on in the program if ragnarok has not yet happened how does the lord know what

03:34:17.700 happens, or

03:34:19.140 is it a repeating cycle?

03:34:26.180 I will,

03:34:27.220 let's have you take a swing at this first,

03:34:30.160 if you will,

03:34:31.300 Glidden Swan.

03:34:33.440 Well,

03:34:34.340 again, we spoke about mythic

03:34:37.580 time and the idea that

03:34:39.560 the

03:34:41.080 chronological sense of the way we see the

03:34:43.600 stories doesn't necessarily apply to the

03:34:45.620 gods.

03:34:46.340 But let's just push that aside for a second and just say that one of the big points of Ragnarok is the fimble winter and the idea of three years or three cycles of the sun conjoined only by a winter.

03:35:06.960 So that would be one of the big ones that would kind of, again, allude to that. But I mean, are we talking about a physical event that happens here or are we talking about what could happen to the gods?

03:35:27.180 I think the biggest thing is most Ausatürer that I meet think of it as the inevitable end that drives the gods forward.

03:35:35.800 And that's what is really important, that our gods are not immortal.

03:35:39.820 They're not omnipotent.

03:35:42.940 You know, a lot of other religions, especially universalist religions, have turned their god into that,

03:35:48.500 even though that wasn't always the case since the beginning.

03:35:50.640 But they have they have made their gods so abstract to cover all angles, because, again, the singularity doesn't work in nature.

03:36:01.480 Multiplicity does. So what you've got to do is make singularity just be everywhere and everything at all times.

03:36:09.480 So and that just makes divinity so abstract that you can't even relate to it.

03:36:14.340 You can't, you know, get that. That's why I think Christians really push the concept of like eternal love or or the conditional love that they that they go on that that really helps their followers relate to the abstract.

03:36:29.640 act um so if i was to say like i guess in a sense i believe that that's the thing that makes our

03:36:38.920 gods move is that there's a point in which the uh the the the present converges with the past

03:36:48.620 everything kind of coalesces and culminates and that really is the lesson that's being learned

03:36:55.020 the actions of the Aesir start a process. The slaying of Ymir, the establishment of 0.99

03:37:04.460 the unification of the gods, cosmic order gods unify with natural law gods to fight against,

03:37:14.200 you know, dissipative chaos and resistance. And the struggle continues. But if we didn't have

03:37:20.300 that if it was all just, you know, ambrosia and immortality for forever, that does not

03:37:28.040 hold true to the way our people relate to the divine. It may work for other peoples,

03:37:34.680 but it doesn't work for us. And that's what Ragnarok really is, is this, that ultimate

03:37:39.520 reality that even the, the great and long living, nearly immortal, powerful gods

03:37:47.260 have to face an end and that makes them more uh purposeful and intuitive and it connects us

03:37:57.140 because we have an end as well at the same time we also learn that our ends are not permanent

03:38:04.180 that ascension is possible that um you know the culmination of the soul uh movement elsewhere

03:38:11.860 it's the same with with the the ice here with um the bold one balder um and his movement and then

03:38:19.620 his return after ragnarok and that's another big thing that that in the house of true folk assembly

03:38:25.940 we focus a lot on that especially in relation to midsummer the return because even in the deepest

03:38:31.700 of darkness we should be able to rise up and that that has a lot of um connotations whether it's

03:38:38.020 internal whether it's external within the world um and you know do we only get a chance to rise up

03:38:45.540 once no so that's one of the big the mythic truth of ragnarok is that the gods

03:38:54.980 can and will and do rise up quite often and so shall we that's kind of the the overall

03:39:02.500 um of the story what's fun said uh no there's more there's um a couple of things so let's take

03:39:18.340 all of the extrapolations out

03:39:23.380 it hasn't happened yet how do we know about it in the lore well in the lore how did the gods

03:39:31.220 know about it before it happens the way the lord describes it is there's a dream

03:39:39.060 that depicts some of the events that lead up to it and there's the summoning of a seerist

03:39:44.900 that practices divination it's able to tell tidings of the future and that's how you know

03:39:54.500 the holy iser learn of it so they can make preparations for it in any of our

03:40:05.700 conception of things there is the idea by scholars that our ancestors were fatalistic

03:40:14.900 in the sense that nope everything has a determined fate there's nothing you can do to fix it and

03:40:20.660 whatever and that's not true and i think it's really interesting that um mother scold her name

03:40:29.380 doesn't mean what will happen it's what should happen if you stay the course that's the point

03:40:36.740 of divination if you know what the future holds then you can adjust accordingly to make something

03:40:45.300 better um i believe it's right though in the room tone

03:41:00.340 that if an arrow comes at you and fly and again i'm doing this on approximation

03:41:07.380 so forgive me if i'm inaccurate the idea is if you see an arrow on flight

03:41:12.980 if you can see it and you can catch the idea then you can stop it before it uh before it finds its

03:41:19.940 target if you have an understanding of the workings of weird and you're able to use divination and see

03:41:29.220 the projected course of events you can adjust and act accordingly what i believe very much is at

03:41:37.860 the root of arian magic is recognizing synchronicities within weird or within earth within

03:41:51.460 fate seeing those things recognizing taking advantage of situations that present themselves

03:42:02.260 to you and avoiding things that you ought to avoid being skillful at navigating the the weave

03:42:13.780 of the tapestry of earth the tapestry of fate is instructive on your ability to act within

03:42:23.940 our reality and make things happen and manifest in your favor and so there's some of that at play

03:42:32.260 Maybe deeper than the question that you asked, but I think it's very important to understand.

03:42:42.500 You're right that things do happen in cycles.

03:42:48.040 Our gods are born and fight and grow and die and come back and fight and grow.

03:42:58.140 That's all in a sense, but it's not in a sense that we can really quantify in that way.

03:43:04.400 It's the best way we have to understand it.

03:43:08.200 But like Witten Svahn pointed out, Lord Balder, he is slain and he dies.

03:43:16.240 But he doesn't cease to exist.

03:43:19.820 He goes into the realm of hell.

03:43:23.400 and he sits and is entertained in state and he is a prince in a foreign land and he is taken care of

03:43:32.460 and after Ragnarok, he comes back to his kingdom and he picks up the pieces.

03:43:40.860 What we know just scientifically is that energy doesn't get destroyed. It goes somewhere. It

03:43:48.540 still exists and does something much like our existence the other thing is that i think is

03:43:55.980 instructive in all of this and this may not be where you meant the question to go but it's

03:44:01.980 you know it's where i'm steering the ship and i appreciate you you're leaving doing so it uh

03:44:10.140 we believe in the austral folk assembly very much in posthumous ascension

03:44:19.740 what i say with that is that death isn't the end you can once you go through the process of death

03:44:29.980 and whatever judgment is rendered by your ancestors and by the iser assuming that you

03:44:38.060 are not consigned to the strand your reputation can still be elevated you still have ability to

03:44:49.340 make something of yourself even if maybe you weren't able to accomplish all that you wanted to

03:44:56.060 in this life and we as your as your folk and perhaps as your kin after you pass can affect

03:45:06.140 your your might in the other realm beyond the veil by singing your praises by doing things in

03:45:14.380 your honor by trying to elevate you as best as we can and that's kind of in a and i don't feel that

03:45:23.020 we need to elevate meister von list um he is a celebrated hero of our folk and i have every

03:45:29.900 reason to believe that he is in some ascended form and he's celebrating him as such but as a

03:45:36.860 nod to that he made a vow that he in his life he was gonna you know as a as a as a child when he

03:45:45.020 just when he came home in his own way to alsature there's a story he visited some some ruins i

03:45:53.660 believe with his father in austria and he he decided at one point that one day i'm gonna build

03:46:03.660 a temple to oath and he was gonna do this and he wasn't able to build a physical temple to

03:46:13.020 open in his life but he set in course so many things that have led us to where we are today

03:46:20.460 It was very important to me that when we established, when we dedicated the Hoth to Lord Oven, that we establish the shrine we have to the ascended Maestro Buddha on list in that very Hoth as a way of fulfilling the vow that he made.

03:46:46.480 so that he could get that credit in the afterlife.

03:46:52.560 And I hope that was well accepted.

03:46:54.680 I hope that that helped him in some way.

03:47:03.020 But yeah, there's a series of cycles.

03:47:06.940 There is divination that shows a glimpse of a possible future.

03:47:15.140 And I think that's how some of these things are known.

03:47:17.940 But I think it teaches more of a cyclical truth that we see and that we experience in different ways.

03:47:23.860 And that applies to different levels of existence.

03:47:28.680 I think that's part of that story.

03:47:41.900 I appreciate it.

03:47:43.160 we have somebody over in the chat uh brawn lock thinks that i made uh i made a really cool

03:47:52.520 statements there that would make a good clip i'm glad that you appreciated that um

03:47:59.320 yeah i hope that was that was useful and meaningful to you guys um

03:48:05.080 let me find some other questions that we have while we're here

03:48:08.600 i see it um pretty juicy lore question a lot of folks who might not be privy to it

03:48:21.640 i just had it and now it's gone um about uh iron gripper

03:48:31.880 i don't see that oh i do see that you're gonna i just snatched the wheel out of my hand

03:48:38.600 trying to trying to veer us back make a left all right um certain order to this

03:48:50.720 no i think you're 0.90

03:48:54.860 no we got one more that pre no i'm just being obnoxious we'll hit yours first

03:49:00.980 we've got um one more question after yours that I see as of right now question you are referencing

03:49:09.840 high planes heathen um I also asked another one anyways it's fine besides in the uh scald

03:49:19.140 scrapper mall scott scapper mall and the gilfaginning is there any other mention of yarn draper

03:49:31.940 yeah so so take it away one of the big things to for those who don't know about

03:49:38.100 uh iron gripper so the j is kind of like a double e sound and e our it means iron

03:49:47.220 it's the same word iron gripper and the one thing is that it's not actually a single glove it's a

03:49:54.740 double glove because there is another one called eon glover so it is spoken that he has two gloves

03:50:04.500 um and not one the only reason why i want to emphasize that is because a lot of times when

03:50:09.380 they do just the one glove it's it's kind of associating more with like the the marvel analogy

03:50:16.820 of like being able to throw and then catch and return no there was two gloves and there was

03:50:24.740 a belt that was given to um lord thor and it is called may in yourth or might of the earth

03:50:33.180 and it is given to him by an oust veneer um her name is grither and doubles his strength

03:50:43.620 doubles his strength and yes and it's interesting because um you find a lot of people who try to

03:50:50.160 hypostasis the the earth goddesses we don't see that we see that in multiplicity so one of the

03:50:57.180 big things is is that yarth is um again the the kind of um oust veneer she's primordial aligns

03:51:07.120 with the gods she is that ever giving sense of the earth but there is another oust veneer who does

03:51:14.100 well i would say two major things she helps lord thor when he doesn't have a hammer this is before 0.92

03:51:24.360 he has a hammer she gives him iron gripper and iron glove and gives him earth might the belt

03:51:31.280 and she gives him an iron rod to fight against the primordial jotuns of emir and that's the

03:51:41.620 first time she helps the second time is she joins with the gods and she bears forth a child from

03:51:48.300 them and he he is the holy lord vidar the wide ruler and she is the it's never said explicitly

03:52:01.140 But she is kind of held up as the Yardr and there is Gríðr, as almost like a counterpart or perhaps like a sibling, an opposite sister, if you will, where Yard is seen as fruitful and with water and deep, rich soil and the trees.

03:52:26.560 grither on the other hand her name means aggression or conflict um the the shaking of the

03:52:34.120 ground the sundering of the plates the or the the soil um the lava flow she and the geysers 0.98

03:52:42.680 in the sulfuric sense the the very kind of poisonous or darker side the caverns the

03:52:50.660 the the the crack and deep places of the earth grither is seen um as that is her dominion and

03:52:59.160 she gives these the power of these iron items to lord thor and it's just an interesting uh kind of

03:53:08.720 just a little headspace of where i'm at with some of these things it's interesting to me that the

03:53:14.520 the might of the earth um is a belt around lord thor and that he has you know his iron gloves

03:53:23.640 a kind of a like a positive and a negative he has an iron rod within that circular circulating

03:53:30.500 system and stick yes the the the aggression stick the conflict stick um and then he has

03:53:41.280 mjolnir ultimately the switch so in essence i feel like one of the mysteries that are

03:53:48.160 that the gods gave to us in this analogous sense is alluding to the magnetic and electrical power

03:53:56.400 that thor has almost in a you know symbolic sense uh you know a coil wrapped around

03:54:03.120 uh a magnetized rod of iron creates an electromagnet um and i i do believe very

03:54:09.760 much so that lord thor because they are gods they understand how these things work we do not we

03:54:16.200 learn them as we go and i don't think it's incumbent upon them to teach us um they want us to

03:54:21.000 earn this knowledge and um you know when i speak about the four names of thor one of the names of

03:54:27.540 thor is vey er and vey of course means like a holy body or it could be a temple um but i've always

03:54:34.680 kind of an analogated it to the atom that the the the most basic and uh building block or

03:54:44.060 structure of creation is the atom and um he is the sanctifier of that that holy space um which

03:54:54.060 takes in the form of of electricity or electrons so applying the the gods to all manners of things

03:55:02.220 we could speak about them esoterically we could speak about them in the sense of lore and stories

03:55:08.780 and talk about you know why you know thor wearing red or having a red beard or or like there was

03:55:16.380 even uh lore studies about why his eyes and the mouth uh grimacing on the um the god poles there's

03:55:25.660 all that's kind of good stuff too but we you know you can see the gods in all things if you're

03:55:33.260 willing to look but it's not because they're omnipresent um in the sense that they're just

03:55:41.740 all the gods are everywhere it's that they are clearly alluding to things uh they're these

03:55:47.340 hidden kind of secrets you can see where their dominions keep them and what the catalystic throne

03:55:53.100 for lord for and how he interacts with the worlds is you know through this kind of uh sense of

03:56:01.420 breaking catharsis the flashing of light the uh deep transference of um heat in order to break

03:56:08.780 imbalance or to create balance uh again that's why tornadoes and hurricanes exist because there's an

03:56:15.100 imbalance and there's an attempt you know to seek that balance and oftentimes it's ripped asunder

03:56:20.140 is what you know brings that so seeing the gods in everyone and in everything or at least

03:56:29.660 within their particular domains is a practice that i really encourage people to do not

03:56:37.020 so that it can be like oh well that means you know uh thor is everywhere um it's it's that it

03:56:45.420 builds your relationship with them and what you begin to see is that the gods have great power

03:56:50.940 they are in a lot of places and you can attest a lot of things to them that perhaps weren't always

03:56:58.460 seen um you know understanding that thor is riding a chariot is that where that the chariot the the

03:57:06.220 the mobility or the vehicle of the gods whether you know we're talking about every arian branch

03:57:11.980 has you know the gods have vehicles but why a chariot because historically we know

03:57:17.900 how much significance the chariot had as a symbol of us being a people as we moved

03:57:23.420 you know there's even reference of it in the bible in which it said that yahweh could not conquer

03:57:28.540 those who rode with iron wheels in the north and they're you know speaking of um the arians and

03:57:36.940 then there was the uh like tyrannous amongst the gauls he had a wheel and a a crudule um a lot of

03:57:45.420 this symbology is history story but it could also be more it could it could be um science could be

03:57:56.380 uh or the understanding of of the universe big and small but um yeah so iron gripper outside of

03:58:04.780 the guild beginning and outside of um uh which did he say which was the other one

03:58:16.620 oh you just said that was it just the guild beginning oh no the uh skull scrap the skull

03:58:22.780 scapper skull for small yeah uh the biggest point of connection for me i don't think it does but

03:58:31.500 what i immediately would recommend is that if you're interested in this story look up the

03:58:37.020 oust veneer her name is grither g-r-y-t-h-i-r is how i think it's spelled in english and that is a

03:58:46.700 very interesting story and i can't remember i was looking just now to see if there was a specific

03:58:52.620 story outside of those two

03:58:54.640 in mentioning Greether

03:58:56.440 and I

03:58:56.920 I'm falling short

03:59:00.660 let me

03:59:02.720 just do one last thing here and see if

03:59:04.660 I can or no it's 1.00

03:59:06.120 G-R-Y-T-H-R 1.00

03:59:09.360 so 0.60

03:59:10.220 whilst Fawn's doing that

03:59:12.360 something I think is really important

03:59:14.420 what you'll find kind of

03:59:18.580 a recurring theme

03:59:20.020 on Victory Never Sleeps

03:59:22.560 is the directionality of how we approach the gods

03:59:28.940 and how we approach the Lord.

03:59:35.560 I hit this a lot when I talk about runes,

03:59:40.000 but one of the best things about runes

03:59:44.380 is they're a lens to see and relate to the world through.

03:59:49.440 everything isn't some magical the ether is opening up and bestowing some kind of special

03:59:57.480 might because you see all these and the branches of the tree but it does help you to see the world

04:00:04.740 in a special in a holy way helps you to better understand it so when we get people

04:00:15.840 people, and again, just the direction my life has taken me, maybe I don't see these things

04:00:25.720 as often as I saw them when I first joined House of Truth, when I first came home, but

04:00:31.400 it was very common when I first came home to House of Truth, we have people that, you

04:00:37.440 Every raven is some message from Odin.

04:00:43.980 Maybe you're thinking about it wrong.

04:00:47.260 Every raven, every time you notice a raven,

04:00:51.640 it's not so much a message from Odin to you,

04:00:56.480 but it's a way from you to connect to Odin.

04:01:01.820 um when you stop the course of your mundane day to notice something that brings your mind

04:01:13.340 and your soul in alignment with our gods that's special in and of itself you know maybe Odin

04:01:22.500 didn't send you a raven to speak some sacred truth to you but the fact that your soul

04:01:29.900 the divine element in you recognize that raven and thought about the all-father that connects

04:01:38.640 you in a special way to him and not necessarily the other way around that's just as important

04:01:47.460 and it's just as valuable when you make these connections to science and elements of the world

04:01:55.520 it's not a special message from Thor to you

04:02:00.220 so Thor can teach you about electricity.

04:02:03.580 No, your better understanding about the power of electricity

04:02:07.980 helps you to build a stronger bond with Asa Thor.

04:02:15.540 And that's beautiful.

04:02:16.760 That's special.

04:02:17.340 It's just as good and just as meaningful.

04:02:21.680 But the directionality really matters. 0.90

04:02:24.720 So a lot of the time it's easy for people to poo-poo your, you know, whatever ridiculous little, like, 0.87

04:02:32.520 ah, I saw that street sign. 0.94

04:02:34.020 It looks like this room or whatever.

04:02:36.940 It doesn't matter if it seems silly to other people.

04:02:40.380 If it connects you and brings you closer to the I-seer, that's beautiful, and that's valuable, and that's great,

04:02:50.220 and don't let anybody tell you otherwise.

04:02:52.260 us that's a really important thing but it's about directionality and i think understanding

04:02:59.460 that it's not a miracle you are witnessing it is you coming into a closer relationship with the

04:03:09.080 isir is important to help in your growth but it's very meaningful and it's very valuable

04:03:18.120 and just the directionality i think really matters so i think it's important to try to

04:03:22.600 look at things that way it's fun did you discover anything in your quick research

04:03:27.640 so yeah it's called scalper mall it is mentioned at the most length in which um

04:03:35.160 the the translation of of grither means violence contempt or again aggression or aggravation

04:03:42.120 And it says,

04:04:12.120 of hers as well as her staff grieve grieve of all greed's pull is what he translates it to but

04:04:21.440 uh again violence staff the battle a battle a battle club or a heat stick um and um it's

04:04:33.840 mentioned elsewhere in thor's draupa uh it says in the the the feller of the dolphins of the s

04:04:43.120 of the steps most likely a kenning for um the throngs of jotuns coming over um uh

04:04:53.280 advanced he advanced with a violent temper temper with graders pole um and she is oftentimes you

04:05:05.520 know uh spoken of with with the right intention that she is very a darker side of the earth um

04:05:14.160 and you know i think that snorty had a tendency to slap jotin on everything um but either

04:05:23.280 way the idea is that um the the primordial powers of the vanir are very close to the primordial

04:05:31.440 powers of the jotuns but eventually after the war the alignment of the primordials bring a lot of

04:05:40.240 the oust vanir to the gods and in doing so they they wed and they have children and they create

04:05:47.120 other isir in this case grither definitely gives birth up and out with vidar the wide ruler um

04:05:57.440 so you know that's a that's a very interesting um point that i don't think a lot of people

04:06:05.120 get but i here's another thing i didn't realize saxo grammaticus actually mentions her

04:06:10.080 um and he says that she is the wife of the legendary king dan of denmark a lady whom

04:06:18.380 the teutons accorded the highest of honors um also a witch of the same name appears in the

04:06:26.720 saga as grida fostra but that's all that's mentioned i would have to look into more of

04:06:35.140 that but yeah so two gloves and that's why the the mural he has the two gloves he has the belt

04:06:43.140 he has the rod of iron and then he has Mjolnir and I really wanted to emphasize that um I think

04:06:50.100 it was important for me and it is on every mural to drop a lot of like little lore tidbits and

04:06:57.720 and things like that and um you know it's i want our folk to know that i want our folk to be

04:07:04.960 wise of that and so that they can you know share that and hold that in their in you know in their

04:07:11.380 knowing um but yeah so iron gripper and an eorn glover are the the gloves of lord thor and they're

04:07:23.920 made of iron. All right. Last question of the night. Be more heathen. It might sound funny or

04:07:38.840 strange, but I've done ritual in areas that were very specific Indian areas, feather, not dot,

04:07:47.720 icing and felt or seen bad vibes but didn't let it stop me at all because i feel as though this

04:07:56.600 is where my family has shed blood and made home as well so i'm trying to connect back to our

04:08:03.640 ancestors but i felt that they are trying to interfere again sounds crazy but i've noticed

04:08:10.200 this i won't let it stop me though not really a question but kind of a statement to react to

04:08:17.720 svan thoughts about engine spirits in that way well

04:08:24.260 those those are not they're not folk and so they're in the outer guard and whether they

04:08:32.740 are neutral or antagonistic but we do believe that there are um you know entities spirits uh

04:08:42.040 geists that uh inhabit the lands around us and sometimes they could be of the blood of

04:08:48.360 of the men folk that died in that land um and this includes our folk and perhaps even their folk um

04:08:56.520 and you know again a lot of the times it's not even just the natives that were

04:09:02.520 there say when when the folk came in uh because there was probably native or you know other

04:09:09.880 tribes before those tribes that were slain and absorbed and so on and so forth i think that it's um

04:09:21.960 it's a point that we should move away from that we should reclimate the land um and understand

04:09:30.680 that the blood of of our our forefathers and non-folk forefathers of other folk or other

04:09:36.360 people um are in the land but that our faith our living state now and our and our our gods allows

04:09:45.800 us to again like what you said it's not going to stop you to walk forward and walk freely

04:09:51.160 and you can do that because we have one advantage we are not the uh we are not the spiritual echoes

04:10:00.600 or memories of the past we are living now in the present which gives us a a major advantage um

04:10:09.880 and so you know when we reclimate land when we take it with a land taking that's kind of what

04:10:15.000 we're emphasizing it's like this is this is here this is now and i'm taking this land under my

04:10:20.120 stewardship um i would definitely say and this is just something that the astro folk assembly does

04:10:25.800 if you do find any um perhaps sacred sites of non-folk that were living in the area we always 0.70

04:10:33.240 treat them with great respect um because again that's a noble thing to do we wouldn't um you

04:10:39.720 know defecate or evacuate you know in that area we wouldn't uh you know leave it to to be forgotten

04:10:48.440 we we end up generally treating even non-folk grave sites as if we would how we would want to

04:10:55.000 be treated um so that's very important i'm not saying that the license of your taking the land

04:11:02.360 and being the steward it does give you the dominion it gives you the reganum to take over and to do

04:11:08.200 things but it also means you have this you know you have to default on your character and ability

04:11:13.400 so if you find those places um you know you want to treat them well and if there are known folk

04:11:18.920 that want to come there and honor you should give them the space to to come there and and honor if

04:11:23.720 they want or or what have you um and i'm speaking not even just non-folk but like people outside of

04:11:29.880 the outer guard maybe they're christians maybe they're um just you know a family line or historical

04:11:36.120 sense um and you know i think it's important that we do take care of that we don't you know

04:11:41.080 particularly uh desecrate uh any sort of particular sites um and i don't think that we should

04:11:48.520 um scorn or be mean towards other people's ways i think it's very important i would want

04:11:55.080 our ways to be respected and not to be scorned or vandalized um i don't think we will find that

04:12:00.840 very much amongst a lot of people um but that's again it's not that's that doesn't matter our

04:12:07.800 character falling on our character is more important than what perhaps they will do in

04:12:13.480 hypothetical situations um the only other thing i could think of is some ausitrur definitely

04:12:20.840 incorporate some gift giving in a different way that they do mead or they'll do certain items but

04:12:27.480 they'll also give some tobacco um as a as an offering to the land spirits um and ultimately

04:12:38.360 i don't think that i i guess where the source of where they're coming from is perhaps this was a

04:12:43.320 a gifting currency amongst the land spirits here um others just it's it's like giving anything

04:12:51.260 else i mean i've given tobacco to my ancestors because i knew that they smoked so um however

04:12:58.180 you know you perceive it i don't really try to split the hairs on it or look side-eyed at it

04:13:03.760 in any sense it's giving a gift to the land um but eventually we have to get away from

04:13:10.800 um going outside of what a noble nature would be which is to respect and to give that space

04:13:17.980 if it's there and if it's not no we take our our space we own it and uh we give the the land whites

04:13:24.620 an ultimatum you can be here and be honored here in the way that we honor you or you can

04:13:31.440 wend your way to somewhere else so that's one of the i think the kind of big things and i know

04:13:39.800 people talk about like the American forest and cryptids and windigos and skinwalkers and all

04:13:47.300 that stuff. And I, I mean, I get it, but from my personal experience, it has always been of a,

04:13:53.640 of a, of a greater mind to take stewardship of a place and honor those land spirits in the way

04:13:59.580 that we do. And I think that in a lot of ways, the land spirits can conform or perhaps reflect

04:14:06.760 as to the lens or the eyes of the folk that see them and um you know i'm not saying that our

04:14:15.420 ancestors didn't have fearful sense of the outer guard they didn't have fearful sense of the things

04:14:21.380 on the outer edges but once you take a place the inner guard becomes very very different and the

04:14:27.380 land spirits and the the hood of folk the the house whites they they become a part of the

04:14:35.780 ecosystem that works kind of either with you or hopefully is benign um and if they are not you

04:14:42.840 know you again you have to kind of establish the regnum i don't think there's anything that the

04:14:48.320 land spirits can do that you can't dominate with your own soul your faith in the holy ice here 0.97

04:14:54.940 certainly what's fun said don't be a jerk I ain't a sound advice take that and apply it to every 0.99

04:15:10.540 every possible piece of your life don't be a jerk like that's just rules to live by 0.99

04:15:18.820 There has been a disservice done to us over time and just in general as adult people. 0.99

04:15:40.580 and you see this with animals you see children you see it with certain people

04:15:50.920 to where they still have a very real and tangible sensory connection with the world beyond the veil

04:16:02.860 there's things if they're just generic land spirits that happen to be used to dealing with

04:16:14.520 indians and now they're dealing with white folks that's different certainly everything's fond said

04:16:22.780 if there's spirits of the area that just exist that's the thing we exist in reality

04:16:28.040 and where we go and where we travel doesn't alter reality reality is is there if there's

04:16:34.960 existing spirits there that exist outside of a particular people that are relevant to just the

04:16:44.820 land and the space then yeah you want to um when you're in that area you want to certainly be

04:16:50.580 respectful of them and over time they kind of incorporate and we see this holy space sometimes

04:16:57.260 they kind of incorporate into what you're doing or whoever's there if they have a positive

04:17:02.620 relationship or against whoever's there if they have a negative relationship

04:17:10.140 but then there's spirits of dead indians or whatever the situation is

04:17:18.700 when we deal with um ghosts when we deal with the spirits of the dead

04:17:27.260 culturally we start out at this disadvantage because we start out fearful 0.95

04:17:36.380 why if you are a complete coward in your normal life then cool be scared of the dead too 0.98

04:17:46.100 but if not 0.98

04:17:49.460 why are you scared and you see this when you interact with any number of entities

04:18:00.420 you see this when you act with interact with dogs yeah it's more consequence if you deal with like

04:18:07.280 a caucasian shepherd or something crazy or king corso or something or a pit bull if you start

04:18:14.680 acting really scared they're going to take advantage of that and they're going to hurt you

04:18:19.960 if you don't you're going to fare a lot better um when you go to any make a first impression with any

04:18:29.880 person if you're acting all scared and weak and victimy then it's going to open you up to people

04:18:38.280 taking advantage of you and i run into this a lot and it's a common thing amongst generic pagan

04:18:46.520 circles to be fearful of uh of ghosts if ghosts are are people who have passed i mean i don't know

04:19:02.120 if you go to the supermarket and there's an indian there and he gives you some attitude are you scared

04:19:07.080 of him if you are then maybe you should be scared of his dead ancestors if you're not then maybe you 0.99

04:19:15.160 should not be scared of his dead ancestors don't be a jerk and treat them like you would treat 0.94

04:19:21.960 someone in real life in your regular existence for example if you have a friend of yours and 0.99

04:19:29.000 the other day you were you know giving him wet willies and you know punching him in the arm and

04:19:34.360 joking with him or whatever and all of a sudden he gets hit by a bus so next tuesday all of a sudden

04:19:40.680 you're terrified of this like super powered ghost super shredder thing that's going to come after you

04:19:48.920 no it's your dead buddy he's you're he's still the same guy he's just across the veil

04:19:54.120 and i don't mean any of this silly i don't take it lightly but i do take it to heart and i take it

04:20:02.040 real. I love my grandpa. I loved him so much in life when I was a little boy. I love him

04:20:12.260 now. And when I interact with him beyond the veil and go to my altar. He's not some magical

04:20:20.760 different creature. He's my grandpa. It works the same with friends or enemies. But don't

04:20:31.340 project fear and be scared if you're there because you have a right to be there and own it 0.98

04:20:36.460 be there don't be a jerk but what are you scared of and if you don't start out with fear then i 0.96

04:20:47.720 think you you have nothing to be afraid afraid of and here's the other thing and this is a point 0.99

04:20:54.320 I wanted to make, and I kind of lost it over the course of this. Different people in different

04:21:05.500 races and different countries and different groups of people all have different interests.

04:21:13.360 Sometimes those interests conflict. Sometimes we have to fight about it. That doesn't make

04:21:21.740 someone have to be the bad guy can both be good guys but there's one you know there's one drum

04:21:29.660 stick and it's i'm going hungry or you're going hungry and we fight about it doesn't mean one of

04:21:35.900 us is a horrible person we just have different interests and we're competing um because there

04:21:46.540 is a conflict over the ownership of sacred space between you and your ancestors and some indian and

04:21:54.300 his ancestors yeah fight represent yours stand up for yourself go for it i hope you win go team

04:22:05.260 but it doesn't mean he's a terrible person or he's a bad guy or some kind of demon

04:22:10.700 it is just on the other team um and all of these things are just something to phrase 0.98

04:22:21.580 to uh frame your mindset when you're dealing with it don't be a jerk but be proud of yourself 0.95

04:22:31.180 don't project fear you don't have anything to be afraid of anything more than you would in normal 0.96

04:22:36.860 life again if you think you are up against some indian god then perhaps it's different

04:22:44.140 but if it's just you know billy leaping buffalo the just some dude that happens to be dead 0.99

04:22:53.020 on that that's okay again don't be a jerk we don't disrespect the dead that's because we're noble 0.98

04:22:58.620 people but i guess the my long-windedness aside the point being 0.99

04:23:10.220 if you believe you are interacting with dead humans you know how to interact with humans

04:23:17.740 if you're an adult you've been doing it for 20 years or so at least

04:23:21.180 don't fundamentally change that just because it's something beyond what you're used to

04:23:30.220 fundamentally and i say that i've listened to swan and he did it in terms of a of a giantess but

04:23:38.060 i've caught myself several times tonight inside conversations we do this we talk about ah i loved

04:23:44.860 my mom my mom was this she was no screw that i love my mom she is this she is that

04:23:54.620 we have to change the way we think about it but when you do that it affects your mindset

04:24:00.300 and if you're not fearful because it's some strange other thing if it's no this is the engine

04:24:07.420 dude i knew last week but now he's dead interact with him that way and i'd say that for you know

04:24:16.140 hostile ghosts or ghosts of your friends or your family or anything else if you're

04:24:27.340 i get long-winded on these things i don't mean to but i think they're really important concepts that

04:24:32.940 i want to share what i've learned and how i think of them because i don't think sometimes people

04:24:41.180 always consider it that way um yeah when you when you

04:24:54.300 when you treat something as other and i think it's like i think it's like people do with nature

04:25:04.080 when there's nature and then there's humanity and they're like two different things

04:25:12.000 that's not how it's supposed to be why aren't we part of nature why aren't we nature we're not

04:25:24.280 mechanical we're not you know we are nature we are a part of nature we function within nature

04:25:32.260 that should affect how we approach things if we're over here and nature's over there

04:25:40.420 it makes everything very different and it makes things competing and contentious

04:25:46.000 and one or the other it doesn't work like that you know if i have a relation you know spawn is

04:25:53.200 one of my very best friends. Svan gets hit by a bus tomorrow. He doesn't mutate into some

04:26:01.740 strange creature. He's Svan. And I'm going to reach out at my altar. He's my friend on the

04:26:13.060 other side. And there shouldn't be a difference in that relationship. The more we create an

04:26:22.100 artificial distance the more we lose power and for lack of a term and i don't mean to cheapen

04:26:32.420 this term alan if you listen to this program would scold me don't make it weird like that's

04:26:38.440 the thing and i i say and i say that with your situation you asked about you know indian spirits

04:26:45.660 interfering with your land taking but I also say it with approaching your altar and dealing with

04:26:52.240 your ancestors don't make it weird or as Alan would probably advise make it weird don't make

04:27:01.800 it something other or different or scary or a distance

04:27:07.820 if you knew grandpa in life then you know him in death and interact with him that way

04:27:17.340 I can only in the root of everything we do in Ausatruism relationships imagine this man if I got

04:27:30.340 my daughter will run up and give me a hug and just jump on me and demand I get her some cookies

04:27:40.840 or some milk or whatever her nonsense is today if something happened to me tomorrow and I passed

04:27:49.240 away next week how would I feel if she treated me as some strange foreign object thing no I'm her

04:27:59.020 dad. If I loved her this week and she was, you know, rattling on about whatever nonsense she

04:28:05.400 wanted to watch on the TV and gave me a hug, how strange and foreign and just bad I would feel if

04:28:13.180 she treated me as something strange and different when I was beyond the veil. And I think that

04:28:21.200 should really affect just kind of our mindset on it. And I've rambled enough about it, but I feel

04:28:27.040 strongly about it. I think it's something I don't think, I think a lot of people maybe don't

04:28:33.820 approach it in that way. And I hope that people start. I think it's important.

04:28:44.760 I've rambled about a lot of stuff tonight. That's kind of what I've been a theme a little bit.

04:28:51.680 apparently long-winded and teary-eyed Matt is the best Matt can't help it that's really

04:29:02.420 important to me and I get you know what thought about that so I get weepy on a lot of this stuff

04:29:09.200 and it's not I mean I've knocked back four mules tonight so it's not like I'm not imbibing a little

04:29:17.060 bit but it's not that i do it you should see me do a baby naming i just gush and i

04:29:26.580 i've never felt like that was a bad thing honestly i feel and i really i mean this

04:29:35.380 that's one of the things i'm most thankful for um as a gift from our gods

04:29:41.700 I feel like I have the ability to be moved that way in a lot of places, and I think it affects me as a husband, as a father, but also as a leader of the AFA in a way that maybe I wouldn't have if I didn't tear up so easy over these things.

04:30:07.880 so I feel a lot of these things really intensely

04:30:11.260 but I feel like that's very much a gift

04:30:15.020 and something I'm really thankful for

04:30:17.160 but yeah I appreciate you guys listening on that

04:30:24.200 I know I've kind of rambled here for a bit

04:30:26.420 so we've got next week our 100th episode

04:30:32.780 and then Svon and I are going to finish the Harbarth Liyadh

04:30:36.980 two weeks from today

04:30:38.920 on episode 101.

04:30:42.200 I appreciate

04:30:43.480 you guys so much for

04:30:45.300 listening to

04:30:47.400 wherever this show ends up taking us

04:30:49.640 and sometimes it takes us

04:30:51.380 interesting places.

04:30:54.780 We had a long personal grooming

04:30:57.120 segment this evening.

04:30:59.520 So you know I'm not joking about

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04:31:06.580 it will keep your hair where you want it and it's adjustable and affordable it's a solid product

04:31:12.840 um honestly think that swan should sell it in his shop now we're a bit disappointed that he doesn't

04:31:19.940 but that's okay i'm gonna keep pushing it um no thank you guys for being here tonight thank you

04:31:24.580 guys for all that you've done and all that you've contributed and been part of this program you guys

04:31:29.400 do add so much to what we do it's fun you are amazing thank you so much for being on as a guest

04:31:39.720 you're awesome um i appreciate you sharing so much with us it's really it's really a blessing

04:31:47.720 and it's something that we get all the feedback in the world saying folks appreciate to have you

04:31:52.520 on and sharing your wisdom with us we will we'll figure out the schedules of when people are popping

04:32:01.320 on and off and nick says we have the ability to host a lot of folks if people want to sit around

04:32:06.360 and stay on so we're going to have fun next week and see see where it goes but it's going to kind

04:32:12.760 of be a celebration of 100 episodes of victory never sleeps so i invite everybody listening now

04:32:19.320 to listen in um it it may get deep it may be silly it may be maybe a mixture of both

04:32:30.280 but it uh should be a good time and i look forward to sharing it with you guys

04:32:34.520 um appreciate y'all hope you guys have a good night until we talk to you next time

04:32:40.760 Hail the Aesir, hail the folk, hail the AFA, remember, victory never sleeps.

04:33:10.760 We'll be right back.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - May 30, 2024

5⧸29⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 99 - Hárbarðsljóð, Part 1

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