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00:07:31.620generosity is very very much appreciated um it's fun you remember where we were when you and i left
00:07:39.380off um i believe uh were we going over the einherjar i think we were just about to
00:07:51.060uh step into or we had stepped no yeah i think it was the einherjar
00:07:59.140perhaps did we talk about frayer uh and girder
00:08:03.380uh because we did a big section on um no we did not we stopped all right here okay so we got done
00:08:17.800with the valkyria and we will be starting at section 37 um anybody who is just tuning in
00:08:25.940we are going over the poem the guilt beginning tonight um and that is in the poetic edda
00:08:36.420we are going to start tonight on section 37 and if you want to follow along directly where we're
00:08:45.620looking it is at beluspau.org um that's where swan and i have been going over the lore that we've
00:08:54.340gone over so far and you can follow along there but feel free to follow along whatever translation
00:09:01.300you might have handy again kind of to reiterate because it's been a few weeks we had five weeks
00:09:11.060in the month of april so it's been a little bit since we were on here doing this um this
00:09:18.260This piece is particularly foundational and special because the intent and the way the
00:09:27.140poem is laid out, it is very intentionally a, this is what the elder faith was by Snorri
00:09:37.080Sturluson only a few generations after the Christianization of Iceland.
00:09:44.960So it is a very intentional explanation of what his forefathers believed.
00:09:54.140And, you know, all the other, yeah, I was going to say, I'm trying to think if there's
00:10:01.520another one that does something similar, but this is the piece that most directly is intended
00:10:07.980to be an informative, this is what Alcetru is.
00:10:12.620other pieces we get glimpses it's this is the story of thor in an adventure or this is the
00:10:21.140seeress's prophecy or this is the sayings of how are um this is audience that may not know
00:10:31.580this is an explanation of my forefather's faith of us and so that is particularly informative to
00:10:38.700us today. So that's why we are eight episodes into a not very long piece because it is really
00:10:46.060important. And also we've been experimenting a little bit with kind of show format. We've been
00:10:56.740talking about the piece of lore in front of us for about an hour at the hour break. We kind of
00:11:01.880take a stop and go through our questions and then get back into it as we can. The birth of this show
00:11:09.480has always been, you know, about answering questions in the Q&A portion. So we're willing
00:11:13.980to take as long as it takes to get through the material. We want to make sure we're answering
00:11:18.260everybody's questions that they have for us. So, and you know, we've been running about three hours.
00:11:23.920We'll run a little longer if we need to, but that's kind of, kind of the mark that makes it
00:11:28.340work for us and our families and our ability to function the next day. So that's kind of
00:11:35.200where we've been at. Svan, are you ready to take them back into the poem? Absolutely.
00:13:30.040It has connotations to the earth and to mud.
00:13:37.520Another name for Ymir is Aur-Yelmer, or the shaper, the yeller of clay, or the yeller of
00:13:51.040soil. And it also can just apply to craft, crafting, shaping. So there is that. And
00:14:01.800Of the stock of the hill giants, a lot of people get really caught up on Alvar, Disir, Nornir, and it is very confusing, to be honest.
00:14:16.580The way that the language being translated was understood versus how we see it now.
00:14:28.020But the Old Norse that's mentioned is Berk-Riser. Now, Jotans are varied and enigmatic in many different ways. I know that some people try to lump all Jotans to Ymir, and that's not the case.
00:14:52.380We have Nivelheim, Muspelheim, Jotun's there. Then we have Ymir and his descendancy. And then from his descendancy, there is variation that happens after Bergelmer, mountain yeller.
00:15:09.800And there are generally, it's seen as jatins as a general term.
00:15:18.580Then there are risi, which has connotations to mountain.
00:15:24.260So size, strength, and stone staying for long.
00:15:35.380Thurser is most likely the source of where we get the word troll.
00:15:41.760And troll is about as definitive as the word monster.
00:15:48.680If I was to say, you know, this person was a monster, or if I was to say there's a monster in the woods, it's not highly definable.
00:15:58.440And so we do have words comparative in our own language.
00:16:02.600But Rizir are definitively connected to the land and definitively connected to mountains and could lend to the idea of them being large.
00:16:17.280And in essence, they're referring that the gods perhaps were seen as large, that the gods are larger than regular humans.
00:16:32.560And by their coupling with the Risi or the Risir, it's that there's a balancing or parallel in size.
00:16:46.120But we don't usually have any definitive works that says, oh, the gods were seen by our ancestors as human sized or just larger than humans or as big as mountains.
00:17:05.160And I think that our ancestors saw them as the possibilities of all of those.
00:17:09.940but um clearly this descendancy comes from the middle world of the mountain of the land
00:17:20.440of Midgard and not from Niflheim and not from uh Muspelheim I felt like I needed to
00:17:29.580say that but uh as we go so what in a while we have a break for just one sec I want to thank
00:17:36.340Gilbert for his $150 donation out to Fray's Hall. Thank you, Gilbert. We appreciate you.
00:17:43.740He's another weekly giver on this program, and we genuinely are so grateful for his donation.
00:17:52.600Perfect timing, too, as we are talking about the Holy Lord, Fray.
00:17:59.580and the the big point of this is that the story is giving abbreviated account
00:18:10.460um and the necessity of keeping it in the forefront this is one of the major uh poems
00:18:20.540brought forth spoken to king gulfing and that's i think also kind of important um
00:18:29.580the the fact that she is or this section is specifically brought up and ends the uh total
00:18:40.220of this section is i think interesting and it's pretty weighty the amount so a certain man named
00:18:49.820And Gimir and his wife, Auerboda, were of the stock of the Berg-Riser, or the hill giants.
00:19:01.600Their daughter was Gerder, who was the fairest of all women.
00:19:07.820It chanced one day that Freyr had gone to Hlidskjalf, that is the precipice of battle.
00:19:17.200It can be kind of seen as like a balcony or a perhaps a peninsula of stone where Lord Odin sits.
00:19:31.100And gazed all over the world, but when he looked over into the northern region, he saw an estate, a house great and fair, and towards this house went a woman.
00:19:44.200When she raised her hands and opened the door before her, brightness gleamed from her hands, both over the sky and the sea, and all the worlds were illuminated by her.
00:19:59.060Thus, his overweening pride in having presumed to sit in the holy seat was avenged upon him, that he went away full of sorrow.
00:20:12.880When he had come home, he spoke not, he slept not, he drank not, no man dared speak to him.
00:20:20.640Then his father, Njardr, summoned to him Skirner, one of the elevated, Freyr's foot page, and bade him to go to Freyr and beg speech of him and ask for whose sake he was so bitter that he would not speak with the other gods.
00:20:46.980But Skirner said he would go, albeit unwillingly, and said that evil answers were to be expected of Freyr.
00:20:57.220so the the translations here are kind of missing the mark uh as we talked earlier uh in other vns
00:21:08.520episodes about illness or what ill and evil and the different classifications of what marked evil
00:21:17.540what he was most likely saying was either untrue answers as he would hide his his feelings or
00:21:25.940that he would deceive Skirner because ultimately he was not supposed to sit
00:21:34.140on Kleed's scalp. And that's kind of not focused in on in this section.
00:21:44.260But we also have beauty standards are mentioned from her hands and in the poems elsewhere in
00:21:54.780the Adas, it says her hands and her arms shine brightly. Again, this is a reference to the
00:22:04.360whiteness, paleness of her skin. Also, the ruddiness of farmers or the ruddiness of
00:22:12.340folk who worked the land. This was, again, a beauty standard of the time that if a woman
00:22:22.840had white arms it was because she was not needed in to farm the land she she was uh of a high
00:22:32.720station so um skirner goes but when he came to frere straight away he asked why frere was downcast
00:23:22.680One, the ultimate point of this, he goes and sits upon the all-seeing seat.
00:23:31.160And what he finds is not the things that Lord Odin searches for.
00:23:37.960He sees his other half, the circular nature, and it immediately connects him.
00:23:47.080But they're not connected. So there's a great sorrow.
00:23:51.600Now, at the time of in Old Norse society, the kind of the way that this worked, especially in Iceland, was if there were movements, courtship or courting a woman was not like it was done today.
00:24:06.840oftentimes you would send a friend over to even ask for the ability to speak with and kind of
00:24:19.260orbit towards the woman because it was very dangerous society. And, you know, her father
00:24:26.740and her brothers were always kind of around. And so you would send a friend and that friend,
00:24:34.340if they were hurt, that was a crime. If you were a lowly born person and you attempted to
00:24:42.120gain the favor of a woman's father, he could take that as an insult, but he couldn't if it was done
00:24:49.720by a friend. So that's another point where I see a lot of modern folks try to, they modernize
00:24:58.420things without understanding context. He is fitting completely within an understanding of
00:25:10.660the time. But again, on top of all of this, the gods are being greatly euhemorized right now
00:25:20.040in the story and we have spoken i think at length about um how of the gods as they are forces not
00:25:31.240uh actual people or humans or or uh stuck specifically to one time frame but that's
00:25:41.540clearly how the story is going to be contextualized and um i think that you know the when other
00:25:49.260holy books say this is the absolute truth and then they speak from the context of the time
00:25:56.200uh one they're being dishonest with the whole truth part and then two they damn themselves so
00:26:04.660um so he says uh skirner answers back he would go on this errand but frere should give him
00:26:17.740his own sword, which is so good that it fights on its own. And Frer did not refuse, but gave him the
00:26:27.720sword. Then Skirner went forth and wooed the woman for him and received her promise. And nine nights
00:26:37.360later, she was to come to a place called Bari, or the grove, the grove in the woods, and then go
00:26:46.300to the bridal with Freyr. So they were to meet and then go and be brought into union.
00:26:55.920But when Skirner told Freyr his answer, then he sung this prose. Long is one night. Long is the
00:27:08.200second. How can I wait thou three? Often a month to me seemed less than this one night of waiting.
00:27:17.820And so we have very, I would say, Shakespearean levels of kind of love and yearning,
00:27:29.520uh showing again that those signs of what was uh popular or acceptable culturally at the time
00:27:41.260uh that lord frere is yearning for her and he cannot wait three nights um
00:27:50.620i just i find it very very beautiful and poetic and uh telling and again it is so much so that
00:28:00.320we forget the fact that these are gods and not young people um working through all of these kind
00:28:13.300of marital norms. A lot of people get very upset at this story, but realizing that Lord Freyr is
00:28:25.660the god of the return of spring, and he's bringing in, through Skirner, whose name means
00:28:35.720ray of light he's bringing in the cold earth and opening her up so uh
00:28:45.880this was to blame for frere's being uh that's interesting as a misspell frere being uh weaponless
00:28:55.960so weaponless when he fights belly and has to slay him with the horn of a heart
00:29:04.120um a deer and again the mural um i really emphasized this with the empty scabbard
00:29:14.500and his holding aloft a weaponized um uh deer horn then ganglary said
00:29:27.780It is much to be wondered at that such a great chief, Asfrer, would give away his sword, not having another equally good.
00:37:06.760Um, so the way that I kind of look at leechcraft is that it's how it is administered that affects the multi various things. So if you look at the plants, each one of them has a lot of medicinal things of valerian root for sleep, but you would do it through a tea.
00:37:28.820sage has lots of different properties from cleaning the liver and cleaning the blood and
00:37:36.080you can do it through eating it or through drinking tea from it but the most important point
00:37:43.440of the herbs is actually the standpoint against the evil eye and curses and what would ultimately
00:37:57.280be the the the point of the ceremony is like there are troll in the masculine sense there's
00:38:07.900also the feminine sense of the troll witch and the wild outer field of society when we look at
00:38:21.140and I think I talked a little bit about it maybe two episodes back or two times back that I was on
00:38:26.960tomato europe having uh the feminine kind of in the form of the witch and the hag being uh past her
00:38:35.420her child uh child bearing days and they would find themselves in these kind of outer fringe
00:38:44.420it that wasn't really necessarily the case in germanic and you could say it's because it's
00:38:49.900cold and everybody's kind of needed and and things like that and and once a woman had children she
00:38:56.140was kind of a mother of everyone. So you don't necessarily see a physical witch or hag, but
00:39:04.920still what remains is the feminine troll, just as much as the masculine troll. And it stays
00:39:13.780even in Iceland after Christianization, there is clear differentiations between the masculine troll
00:39:20.380and the feminine troll and the feminine powers because the gods are gendered and we are a
00:39:28.540reflection of divinity. So we're gendered. So is to the darker nature of the wilds. So
00:39:38.580what it kind of goes towards is the masculine troll, the masculine kind of negative forces
00:39:46.420is one that you would physically have to worry about, I don't know, if you're, you enter and you disappear,
00:39:56.320or you, they, it's like you get a rock thrown at you, in a way, kind of very simple, but, and straightforward.
00:40:04.800The feminine troll of it is the curse, the being kind of altered, or changed,
00:40:14.280And so it has a much more, I think, subtle point.
00:40:20.100And those herbs were specifically chosen in the idea of going against evil, more feminine style magic where there is the curse or the baleful twisting of fate.
00:40:40.400And so that's why they're administered through smoke. And that's why the smoke is laid upon the body is a protective measure in that sense. But each of those herbs has medicinal properties in many different ways for many different reasons on their own. This one is far more religious and metaphysical.
00:41:10.400All right. Also from Selene, can you talk about hell and how we as Ausatru can appropriately
00:41:17.280venerate her? Svon, would you like to take that first? Sure. I think that
00:41:25.200one of the things that's worth noting for all folk who are Ausatru
00:41:31.240is understanding the dichotomy of mythical movement we see the children of the kinslayer
00:41:40.980and the least dangerous one is placed farthest away and uh she's clearly the stasis throne
00:41:53.460and we talked about the tripartite and how the thrones apply kind of across the board
00:41:59.200she takes the stasis throne and is given that position specifically by Lord Odin.
00:42:08.500And we see Yormungandr. He's the kind of catalystic position. And then Fenrir is brought
00:42:21.080right into heaven. The most dangerous one is brought there. This movement in the story is
00:42:28.300not accidental. But what ends up happening specifically with her is that she is given task
00:42:35.060of holding over and keeping in that place the souls of the dead. And a lot of people get the
00:42:47.720whole up down thing wrong. Christianity kind of makes us like up is good, down is bad. Even
00:42:55.500though early christianity didn't even have a down it was just earth and up so technically
00:43:02.060uh they were viewing it as we were we're living in the bad place um that slowly changed
00:43:09.460because uh as european christians uh went they're still europeans and so the the faith is in their
00:43:18.680blood they applied the trinity they apply the uh triplicate world and they just miscued these
00:43:27.580things about good and bad so in this place it is misty it is uh hard to define time moves slowly
00:43:39.140this is all done in mythical language where the there are the people move slowly it is
00:43:46.020far away from the gods as the gods are the gods of order. And as it is far away from them,
00:43:54.260it is less confined by those rules. And this is done on purpose. As the forces of chaos and law
00:44:05.700battle the the the safe place of the soul and specifically of the soul of balder are kept in
00:44:17.080the mystery of the the the undefinable of and the hard to kind of pin down
00:44:28.080um place of the cosmos so that they can be protected like uh placing a seed deep into
00:44:36.780the earth or wondering where the wellspring comes from it's it's that that all of that
00:44:43.100kind of mystery is being placed in the story as it's being told in its way so
00:44:49.740So she is given stewardship over the souls of the folk and over the soul of Baldr and Nanna.
00:45:38.580So I wouldn't say that there's reverence.
00:45:41.940I would say that there's certainly honoring.
00:45:45.080because she is the necessary part of a cycle and there is the the filtration as well when the
00:45:54.560ancestors gather there and they look across the bridge and again the bridge is uh mentioned as
00:46:02.300being wide and covered so that it it will be long standing unlike the bridge to to heaven is a is
00:46:10.240fiery and shimmers and can disappear so access into the upper world is not given to everyone
00:46:17.980but for death death is uh open to all who draw breath and at that point if you are a
00:46:30.220are deemed by the ancestors unworthy you are then separated from the line that you are actually
00:46:37.600connected to right now in the living sense and so you get severed and you have to cross the river
00:46:45.920which uh survives in english language with the word yelp so it's the it's the river of mournful
00:46:53.280cries is how i've i've uh translated it and then slither the the cruel river kind of rends the soul
00:47:01.760apart and they get to the other side of the of the river and there they are no longer themselves
00:47:08.240they are completely disconnected from the collective of their bloodlines uh it's so important
00:47:16.500to be connected and to be separated especially willfully separated was seen as absolutely
00:47:26.320a woeful situation. And it is. People just don't think about that nowadays and kind of have this
00:47:35.180whole, I'm going to go off and do my own thing, or I can be an island unto myself, which is usually
00:47:43.300a learning process. But at that point, we see the ancestors are kind of kept in her dominion.
00:47:55.960She is the breaker of all things that must be broken down. And so in a way, she is a Nornir. She is an element of divinity and time. But she is also timeless. Again, there's the dichotomy of the half and half with her.
00:48:16.440and uh she is brought in by lord ovin to steward the souls and keep them there and what a lot of
00:48:27.900people forget is um they you know first they get caught up on the whole dark imagery um the the
00:48:36.920snakes and the poison and and all of these things well to our ancestors death was cold death was
00:48:44.500like it is today uh kind of seen as scary i know that many of us can come to terms with it
00:48:52.740but it is still mysterious and undefinable and that the imagery of venomous snakes
00:49:00.560it's not about literalism it's about an understanding that uh an adder could bite
00:49:07.220you and you die you eat a plant and you die it was the the rationale of understanding that
00:49:15.580sometimes dying was not held in leagues with everything you were accomplishing in life
00:49:24.900it was on its own timetable it is on its own timetable and that's also by proxy her and
00:49:35.300you will notice too in the adas and in the sagas her name is used synonymously with death itself
00:49:44.100um so sending someone to hell sending them on the road to hell we're referring to they were
00:49:54.740going to battle and they were going to kill these people they were they were their time here was
00:50:00.740was dwindling. So ultimately, I think from the church's total perspective is we don't celebrate
00:50:11.260death and we don't celebrate the breaking down of wholeness, but to be noble is to understand
00:50:19.780and observe the world and the truths around you. And that is inevitable. That is often necessary.
00:50:28.400And as Lord Odin designs, as he understood, it was imperative to keeping the future of the gods and the folk for the next turn through Ragnarok.
00:50:48.260So with that, there's more of a sense of honor, not so much reverence.
00:50:58.400um yeah i um i'm less prickly about that than a lot of our people um
00:51:17.640i think that with and specific to this poem when we mention um
00:51:28.400The Aesir, the 12 that are listed, and when we mention the Al-Señor, specifically the two great Al-Señor, Freyja and Freyja, but also the Maidens of Bensauer, it's good for us to worship them.
00:52:27.380that want for their loved ones to be well-treated in the afterlife.
00:52:33.400Those things all make sense and are a very reasonable thing to do.
00:52:38.780I've seen far more people that just want to do dark, spooky, goth stuff.
00:52:46.180And it sounds silly, and I don't mean to belittle it.
00:52:50.320I don't think that they necessarily think that they're silly doing it.
00:52:54.860but it's the honest answer is that's why they're doing it is because they're in that
00:53:04.480spooky goth phase of their spiritual discovery and that's what they want to do
00:53:12.180i think that's something you have to be a little bit careful of doing and it's important i think
00:53:20.340The general taboo or idea that you don't want to invite death into something that's healthy and vibrant, you don't want to inject that into an otherwise unrelated place, makes a lot of sense.
00:53:37.440I don't think there's cause to set yourself against or be opposed or in opposition to hell.
00:53:46.720um but again it's different to you know build a reciprocal relationship and to to nourish that
00:53:55.600and i think it's kind of just something to be very cautious about it's certainly not something
00:54:00.640that we do in a formal way as the astrofocus assembly but it's not you know it's not wrong
00:54:08.300but it's certainly got an asterisk of why and make sure your intention matches and
00:54:13.780And there's a general caution against inviting in or dealing with things that you don't understand.
00:54:25.720And there's kind of safe waters of the gods that are explicitly there to be in a worship relationship with the folk as a beneficial relationship that is prescribed to you by your elders, by the Gothar, by your ancestors.
00:54:45.340and venturing outside of that into some of these things that are peripheral to it require a certain
00:54:52.220degree of understanding and caution and i think that's kind of the case here so i think the why
00:54:56.720is a good question i think being honest with yourself because here's the other thing aside
00:55:01.880from you know oh matt said that i was just being edgy and goth well i'll show him i've had
00:55:08.200conversations with people that you know will honestly admit like yeah that's kind of what i
00:55:12.940is doing. So again, you don't have to like run it by me or get a, I told you so, or whatever,
00:55:19.840but consider is that, is that why you're doing it or do you have another purpose?
00:55:27.200I think that's, that's worth considering. Um, the next question from Jill and your experience,
00:55:32.960what are the most common self-inflicted mistakes that prevent apprentice folk builders from
00:55:39.220progressing. Svon, what are your thoughts towards that? I think getting disheartened by
00:55:50.640the day-to-day. I know you've mentioned kind of seeing how things are made or seeing how
00:56:00.000the inner workings are can be very disheartening from the more romanticized look of things.
00:56:09.220But at the end of the day, there is that balance of mystical might and keeping the lights on. And a lot of people don't like to address the lights part.
00:56:27.800And so I think a lot of times or they get disheartened by the fact that they hold a moot and maybe no one shows up, maybe one person shows up.
00:56:42.420And I have always seen that in the long run, it has turned around.
01:06:43.680Well, one, that's very interesting because the medieval rune set that most everybody thinks about is later Nordic period.
01:06:57.320And sometimes they're simplified staff runes.
01:07:03.320um and that's generally the medieval runes the reason why i was running to get the book
01:07:09.560is because there is another medieval futhark that no one ever talks about and is only mentioned in
01:07:16.360uh one book that i i it's by nigel pennick and i will say the name of the book once i find it
01:07:24.440Um, he does talk about the German Futhark that has the wolf angle and the, uh, Erdra rune, which is the Othal rune with the, with the feet.
01:07:40.480Um, and he very, very unbiasedly talks about how this was already established in medieval Germany.
01:07:48.660it was part of their heraldric systems um any political parties that took any of these runes
01:07:56.060later on they did it because they were uniquely german in their traditions they there was no
01:08:03.960uh co-opting there was no like sneakiness they're sneaking into scandinavia and taking these runes
01:08:11.520to use no these were already established in their germanic traditions and um the strange thing about
01:08:19.040that futark is there's only i believe 14 runes listed and that's another thing is the younger
01:08:26.080futark had 16 and the medieval ones that most people are referred to when you look up medieval
01:08:34.640runes is going to be the short staff or simple staff swedish danish variations of the younger
01:08:44.400booth ark so with that i was also trying to figure and i'm almost positive it doesn't
01:08:52.400the german one does not have a zyu rune um and i was just making sure i was kind of uh panicking
01:09:00.240on the inside uh ah okay so we have the is this the anglo-saxon um
01:09:17.440because once we start moving in the classification of runes get very strange
01:09:25.120If you understand, the elder Futhark is classified in two groups.
01:09:30.480There's the Kelverstone elder Futhark and the Vat Stenebrekteat Futhark.
01:09:38.200And those are the oldest Futharks that we have.
01:09:45.960But Anglo-Saxon is the oldest one that we have with poems.
01:09:51.880a lot of people are surprised to find out that the anglo-saxon rune poems are actually older than
01:09:58.420the old norse rune poems he says it's from the gothic oh from the gothic now so in the gothic
01:10:08.520futark tu it's a tiu and the only reason why i know that is in relation to ufilos the um
01:10:20.260And he was the, he was a goth or gutten who was trying to convert his people to Christianity, specifically Aryan Christianity, which believed that Jesus was a mortal, a mortal man.
01:10:36.880he wrote the book of Matthew and he utilized Gothic runes and he wrote them out, but he used
01:10:45.700Greek grammar and the TU did not look like that. So that's interesting. And that's another thing
01:10:54.120we have to kind of tackle is there's certain sense of misinformation kind of floating around,
01:11:01.780Which is why I was so concerned with making sure that we clarify where everything is.
01:11:09.060That rune that you just showed, Nick, looks very, very similar to the Anglo-Saxon.
01:11:18.180Yes, it's the ear rune in the Anglo-Saxon.
01:11:22.740If it's wrong, I'm blaming that. I don't know.
01:11:25.380Well, and that no, that just proves a point about how things can get very muddled. And then like to look up the Futhark with the wolf angle, because that was one of the most interesting things. We have Othala with the feet and we have the wolf angle. Still, nothing comes up.
01:11:45.420But Nigel Pennick, who is a very influential runester, he's kind of, you know, he's always, he was always kind of more of the, in the background, I think, but not as upfront as other people, very, very solid in his work.
01:12:09.940And he was the one that I first heard about, this heraldric futhark that was kind of utilized and eventually led to the wolf angle being utilized during World War II and the Othala rune or the Erdra rune, but that it was from 17th century Germany or 16th century.
01:12:32.280um so when we say medieval that's where i was kind of like uh-oh which one um however let's just
01:12:42.460assume one of the things there are two runes throughout all the futharks and one of them is
01:12:50.360the teyu, teyu, tir, and the other is the kon, kenaz, kin, and again, remember, kenaz is a
01:13:01.500reconstructed word, utilizing all of the formats to kind of go back to the source.
01:13:09.960Those two letters specifically, the k sound and the t sound, are in all the futharks.
01:13:17.500and i really focus in on the anglo-saxon uh specifically because there were some people
01:13:28.500on the internet trying to justify that uh that lord tier is not a god and that he has no heavenly
01:13:36.280um correlations and they're jamming trying to jam him very disrespectfully into a box
01:13:44.200And the oldest rune poem that we have clearly states, Tiu is the North Star. And this was part of that process of the tripartite and of me coming to understand through observation about stasis and dynamicism and capitalism and the stasis representation of the North Star.
01:14:10.820so clearly there's a celestial tie there um we don't have a lot of meaning behind the runes
01:14:22.000outside of the rune poems uh we have going all the way back to the gothic language as he wrote it
01:14:31.100pulling the runes that were in use but until the rune poems we have very little understanding of
01:14:40.260meaning um until we get to those and then i want to add something there's um with the with the
01:14:48.700rune poems so we don't have enough information to have a real clear picture of various magical
01:14:58.340schools medieval uses of of ruins when you look up medieval ruins there's a number of different
01:15:05.220things so it really depends medieval scandinavia they're using the other huthark in early medieval
01:15:12.500anglo-saxon england they're using the anglo-saxon food fork in continental magical traditions
01:15:18.820they're using some of the ones that become house signs and things like wolf's angle that swan's
01:15:24.820talking about it all kind of depends zeo linguistically goes back to tier and it's
01:15:30.340certainly related to tier it develops in the anglo-saxon footwork in terms of writing and
01:15:38.500language and needing to have letters to accomplish linguistic developments so i'm sure that there are
01:15:48.660magical elements people put to it but i think the primary innovation in that sense and at that time
01:15:54.340period was uh linguistic development but i'll say this in the in the um
01:16:06.340rumors it talks about ear in terms of death
01:16:13.700and like the corpse and laying the corpse in the grave and
01:16:18.340And the strange correlation that occurs to me as it relates to the tear rune is that that's the rune in the Arminen system that correlates to the rune song about necromancy, about, you know, the hanged man coming down from his noose and speaking when you compel him with that song.
01:16:46.640so that's the little bit of connectivity that i've seen other than it's a tear room with
01:16:54.860wings on it um that's about the best i think we got on such an obscure thing spawn do you have
01:17:04.140more i was just gonna say um the book is called the complete illustrated guide to the runes
01:17:11.180by nigel pennock it is a great book for anybody who is interested in runic history and understanding
01:17:18.540all aspects of runic um perspectives and he covers them all very cleanly and provides
01:17:28.440massive amounts of photos it's really really a good book um but i would also say too the
01:17:36.980interesting thing the anglo-saxon rune poems are the oldest coming from the 10th century and then
01:17:43.160the norwegian and the icelandic uh coming from the 11th or the 10th and the 11th respectively
01:17:50.660there's huge gaps of time and huge gaps of land and yet they are well at least the icelandic and
01:17:58.860Anglo-Saxon ones are remarkably close to each other. No internet, no mail service. This was
01:18:07.660clearly passed on and kept in connectivity. The Norwegian ones, I like them. They're more of what
01:18:16.020I kind of jokingly refer to as zen-like, as in the way that they're structured leaves a lot more
01:18:23.500to question and ponder about because of they're so minimalistic but still the huge expanse of time
01:18:34.280huge distances and we have runic traditions being focused on and so that leaves us to only
01:18:44.060we can only look at the evidence and presume going back all the way back to the goths to
01:18:52.400guttens and and throughout the germanic people there clearly was magical traditions spread and
01:19:01.840carried on formulated and cared about nurtured by the culture and clearly had connective
01:19:11.360meanings all the way through and that would then lend uh the the the holy god tier is present
01:19:20.800in every one of those rooms we're we're an hour and 19 in and we've gone through one little section
01:19:28.920but this as we do on this show it's kind of that the lore itself is a conversation starter and
01:19:37.880something for us to take and go through as long as we want because it brings up points that are
01:19:41.940relevant to our practice and that answer people's questions and so um something i want to mention
01:19:50.180here while we're on rooms language both written and spoken is inherently magical
01:20:03.700that's why as a subtle form of low magic being very intentional with your speech
01:20:13.140has a power to it and it's a power that circumvents logical barriers and filters and just ingrains
01:20:23.460thoughts through particular word choice or through embedding ideas and concepts over time
01:20:31.700speaking brings things from speaking or writing brings things from the world of the
01:20:37.300imagination or the internal and it inserts them into the world around us it manifests
01:20:47.300in the way it makes at least the concept real um we get that that that kind of dual purpose in the
01:20:59.060schools of magical stuff are enchantment literally chanting or speaking things into existence
01:21:08.420singing i spoke earlier about odin's room of songs and written spells like
01:21:18.180runework and the sigil magic that our rooms represent i also this is one of the myriad
01:21:25.220reasons that i take linguistics really seriously and i think you know though it is very slow going
01:21:32.820um my efforts to learn uh icelandic slash old norse is fruitful because it does
01:21:43.140um calibrate you to receive the lore in a different way to understand it in a deeper way
01:21:51.220and to connect with the um context of it in a very particular way so language matters and i think that
01:22:49.380um don't mess it up you're gonna you're gonna destroy frank's marriage no
01:22:54.200well because i'm i'm trying to think of all of all of the books that are out there
01:23:04.500i mean and again i know this sounds like kind of a um default but founder mcnalen's book
01:23:14.360Ausatru, A Native European Spirituality, I think is important because it addresses something that
01:23:22.080other books don't, and that is the necessity of understanding metagenetic
01:23:30.660bloodline connectivity. Other books don't touch it, or they completely go against it,
01:23:43.880even though they know it's true and it applies to other people, but they can't let it apply to us
01:23:49.980because of their political standings. So I think that's a key component. It doesn't break down
01:23:59.800our faith into components that are super understandable. What it does is I think it
01:24:10.080it shows the brick and the mortar, not the individual bricks. When you get into certain
01:24:16.980other books, there are points where they dissect each section and very clearly show them
01:24:25.920and perhaps even go into them further. I think a lot of Dr. Flowers' stuff in his early days,
01:24:37.580like the Book of Troth and all of that, but also, too, those books have a tendency to be
01:24:43.880a little bit more geared towards academic research or what have you. I feel like
01:24:51.940Founder MacNallan's book gives brick, mortar, and brick of every single
01:24:59.140thing that you can understand. Instead of long, over grandiose and metaphysical descriptions
01:25:08.360about the soul, the learning at the end of that is we believe in the soul, we believe in the
01:25:14.360multifaceted soul, and that each component is important. It is the quick, clean,
01:25:22.220broad overview that I think is the, is really, really important for somebody coming from the
01:25:33.280outside. Well, so I'm not trying to steal your answer. That's immediately what came to mind.
01:25:46.720You guys may notice on this show, it's always one of my guests that mentions Alcetru, a native European spirituality by our founder, Steve McAllen.
01:25:59.100I rarely recommend that book, not because I don't think it's good and I don't think people should read it, but it's intended for a really particular way.
01:26:09.220And it's usually not the most direct answer to the question that I'm being asked.
01:26:13.140In this case, I think it's the perfect answer.
01:31:37.900And I don't know if he, Adam of Bremen, was actually there.
01:31:50.480And there were some cases where he was attempting to describe things, but also kind of like, yeah, this is this is what they do.
01:31:59.620But it's also really bad. There was some propaganda motivation there.
01:32:04.220But he did speak of the priests of Freyr wearing bells upon their their belts at Freyrshof.
01:32:16.140I, he's wearing bells upon his belt. And I just think that Holy Frey returning back to the soil of his bloodline, the Inglinger people, I think would be really good.
01:32:43.180I also think that, you know, there are some considerations to the idea that the euhemorization of Holy Freire isn't just a technique, but that perhaps he came down to Midgard to guide the people there like a King Arthur, if you will, as the king is connected to the land.
01:33:13.180And that he may have also influenced the Anglo-Saxons, even before they came to the island, as is mentioned, the great hero, S.H.I.E.L.D. Sheafing, the sheafing part, of course, being the wheat.
01:33:30.480And that's, I think, a good telling of that. So if there was in Ausatru an avatar sense of the divine coming down to guide mortals in a mortal form that's even kind of historically remembered, it would certainly be Holy Freyr.
01:33:56.360And he is the Vralta Gaudir. He's the god of the world. His connection, all the Vanmir that come to the Aesir and join them and become one, they are still deeply connected to the middle world.
01:34:11.400And he has such a unique, poetic and beautiful sense.
01:34:17.960And I just think it would be amazing for his faith, his cult of worship to be reestablished in the heartland of Sweden.
01:34:33.360so i would i would do disa thing because i think that's likely the highest holy day that was
01:34:48.560celebrated there during our ancestors time so that's the one i would like to do if i only got
01:34:56.660one to do um that was also known as the you know the thing of all the swedes it was the big
01:35:06.020gathering of the swedish kingdom for their big festival um so that's the one that i would choose
01:35:13.300just because that's that's kind of the big at least going by the information we have that's
01:35:20.900likely the big one that was celebrated there by the nation of this fae at the time um
01:35:31.860it's fun what are your thoughts on looks maxing clavicular
01:35:38.900and beating your face with a hammer to grow bigger cheekbones
01:35:42.660okay uh look maxing is kind of wild i do uh think that there is some merit in the idea of
01:35:55.940working out your body including perhaps parts you don't normally think that to work out you know
01:36:05.140talking about wide palates uh to gain facial structure as we're losing them because we're
01:36:11.540eating softer foods uh before i was a barber i was a chef and you know i'm kind of i like
01:36:21.140entertaining all of that um i do think however it is it's becoming uh it's crossing a line
01:36:31.700and that line is unseemly heterosexuality yes it it has it borders on this kind of worship of
01:36:43.700the male to a point where it's it's like uh late roman or late greco period and uh
01:36:53.700I think that especially in the media part of it, there is this hyper fascination of homosexuality with it.
01:37:04.940But if you were, if you were talking about that, and I've seen some people argue, oh, no, no, it's the return of the masculine.
01:37:14.420I don't necessarily think that because how it's framed, it's framed with kind of posturing in front of the camera.
01:37:22.640It's not framed with what men are supposed to be doing. And so you end up kind of getting it. It's like a deviation away. And what you end up kind of also going down the trail of vanity. I think it's youth worship.
01:37:42.340I don't know if anybody's familiar with Craig Ferguson. He ran a late night comedy show and one of his monologues was about how our society has lost an understanding of growing older.
01:38:01.840and that wisdom gaining the gray hairs in your beard etc um has this classification and so
01:38:10.220instead we worship these kind of youthful but then the youthful becomes infantile and and the people
01:38:17.100that do this are like in hollywood they're you know childlike brains that are easily swayed
01:38:23.940etc it's really really good um but it's kind of on the same track with that and it's it's i think
01:38:35.860it's missing the point completely so again bashing your face for cheekbone growth one there's the
01:38:45.300desire for cheekbone. I hate to break it to you, but, uh, Germanic Nordic are one of our,
01:38:54.820if you look at the old books about, um, like physiology of the races, we have flat cheek,
01:39:03.860uh, uh, cheekbones. Um, so you're kind of trait you're trailing after a desire that's set.
01:39:12.700The other thing is, is agitation. I know a lot of guys talk about it with their hairline. If they agitate their hairline, they'll get growth. I think if you agitate any part of, you know, as you work out, you're agitating your muscles.
01:39:28.500Um, it's far better to focus on that than to focus on hitting your cheekbones to try to get them to grow. No, focus on agitating your muscles and working out and agitating your brain and thinking about deeper things and building towards that.
01:39:47.840that it's ultimately navel gazing when it comes to um doing this diet and working out will get
01:39:58.480you all the same results that smashing your face with a hammer or hitting your hairline with
01:40:05.580needles will get so speaking of agitating one's brain this this agitates my brain
01:40:13.640i am also agitated that reading such a ridiculous thing with such ridiculous terms
01:40:20.360i knew exactly what he was talking about and asking about that language is important it's
01:40:29.560yeah i think that's really gay i think it's gay and childish and i mean i think it's gay in like the
01:40:36.840just standard negative pejorative and i think it's also gay and it's overtly homosexual um
01:40:51.720yeah it's just really gay like i'm trying like i could there's a there's a trend with our young
01:40:58.440men that i've seen the more they remove themselves from living real lives in the real world
01:41:06.840in a normal healthy way that's rooted in real existence they go in these really strange
01:41:18.360deviant ways like this in intentionally celibate thing this incel thing and then men go their
01:41:26.820own way that way is called homosexuality um and then there's this like look maxing thing
01:41:35.780and the cheekbone and it's really an unhealthy obsession with prettiness it's just it's it's
01:41:49.040gross and it I'm kind of I'm more than kind of disgusted by it the advice is like hey guys
01:41:55.700don't hit yourself in the face with a hammer I the people who are doing this and starting this
01:42:04.260phrase are not people i'm going to discourage from doing that um so what i will say though
01:42:10.980because i think the questions on here outside of me just make fun do require serious answers too
01:42:21.220i think that your cheekbones specifically like your orbital bone is really easy to break
01:42:29.220and have bad problems with there is science involved in toughening your bones if you want
01:42:37.060to toughen up your bones rather than trying to make yourself have pretty cheekbones
01:42:43.060so you look good at the gay bar you should probably funny punch um
01:42:48.500there's a lot of martial art techniques in striking various degrees of hardened things
01:43:00.260like wood and even stone in some instances with one's knuckles again i'm not victory never sleeps
01:43:06.740is not encouraging you to do this i'm just saying it's a thing to where you can increase your uh
01:43:12.420the density of your bone structure in like your knuckles or on your shins.
01:43:18.780I know the Thai kickboxers will often do that.
01:43:22.820They'll toughen up by kicking different reed and bamboo and wooden posts to get stronger
01:43:29.360shin bones or to run like wooden dowels and things up and down their shins to harden them.
01:43:39.680like there's some degree of science to that the obsession with trying to make
01:43:47.980yourself that pretty goes too far and don't get me wrong try to look good guys that are
01:43:56.660slobs and look like crap stop that try to look your best try to present yourself well
01:44:03.100but that level of hyper fixation on pruning is and preening is really
01:44:13.380it's very effeminate and gross and if we are in a day and age where
01:44:20.780i don't think that if if it's if it's done to appeal to ladies i think ladies that it appeals to
01:44:30.760aren't necessarily the ladies that you
01:44:57.500a lot of young men that need to get out and again
01:44:59.560as the kids say they need to touch grass they need to go like talk to a girl go
01:45:07.240rough house go do something go dig a hole go chop down a tree go do something in the world
01:45:16.760uh question from austin greetings all and i hope you're having a great evening
01:45:21.880uh so i've been trying to build a better relationship with the lampeteer who reside
01:45:26.760in a nature park close to where i live however a friend pointed out those spirits of the land
01:45:33.240are quote unquote native implying that i can't or shouldn't try to reach out to them because
01:45:38.680they belong to another race is that true and does each race have their own land spirits
01:45:44.600thank you for any help and for all that you do swan would like to address that colonize the land
01:45:51.480spirits. No, first off, the relationship that people have, the folk have a relationship with
01:46:04.600the land in their own unique way. If you've ever read, there's a really good book called
01:46:11.160God is read. It's written by an indigenous North American, and he speaks about how the spirituality
01:46:24.720of the world is perceived within their capacity to perceive and measured based on that litmus.
01:46:34.560The same applies to us. And our capacity and what fits our understanding. I think that when you look at the spirits of the land and you build a relationship with them, you can perhaps take into consideration certain things.
01:46:59.000I do know of certain folk who may offer gifts in relation like tobacco, for instance, and that's clearly a nod to that.
01:47:13.060But does it have to be? Absolutely not.
01:47:16.180Because remember, our eyes are in our head.
01:47:20.340And as we walk through the world, we see through our eyes, we can empathize, perhaps, or we could try to consider. But ultimately, it's still the reality is that it's our eyes.
01:47:35.000So if you deal with spirits, the other thing that's really kind of important to understand is most spiritual practices, especially with land spirits or earthly spirits, we get the information entirely built around a homogeneous society that considers hospitality in its own way, not considering anyone else's way.
01:48:05.000So, you go forth having this relationship with the Lanvertier, and that's the beauty of the spirit and the divine. They know the framework of the living, the fleshed mortal.
01:48:23.140And so you go where your feet go. You interact in the same rules that are correct for your people.
01:48:34.320I think one of the more tragedies is that our folk have lost any sense of respect in that. It's an exchange. It's not a worship, which is kind of what a lot of new age people try to make it seem.
01:48:50.340But also, too, our ancestors of Abrahamic faith, they lost all sense of it and even perhaps threw in the scorn on top of it.
01:49:05.780So finding that middle path, and I don't think you should take any consideration that there's somehow, you know, there's engine spirits that you can't talk to.
01:49:23.840It builds a false dichotomy that our presence here is not wanted, yet we have created national parks and we have done all these things in the land and have accomplished them quite well.
01:49:40.720So there is clearly a relationship here that has already been built even by people, our ancestors, that preceded us with absolutely no consideration of the divine spiritual element of nature.
01:49:55.000But yet they weren't kicked out. And, you know, it's kind of this Internet thing where it's, you know, Europe has the fanciful mushroom gnomes and then you come here and it's like shooting your AR at a Wendigo.
01:50:12.200This is all kind of more, I think, a psychological propaganda that leads to ultimately saying, oh, the land doesn't want you, white man.
01:50:25.660And the reality is that we have done so much for the land.
01:50:30.940Sure, some of it not good, but we have done far more good.
01:50:35.940um in my area alone uh some of the state parks were built uh out of absolute nothing there was
01:50:44.980it was like a a fetid swamp with uh even poison like literally poison water and they managed to
01:50:54.020create and restart the the the system so that it it like could sustain more life um
01:51:02.780and so there there is relationships that our folk have i think it's okay you should absolutely
01:51:10.540honor them but honor them in the parameters of of our understanding not someone else's
01:51:15.840that's for them to do absolutely and i
01:51:19.780it is important to step back and realize that also true is not about racism
01:51:32.300we have a very particular circumstance that we find ourselves in that makes a focus on race
01:51:43.160particularly stand out and important in this day and age but even you know there's not prohibition
01:51:52.420from interacting with people that are different than us it's different than intermarrying and
01:52:00.240breeding with them and then being part of your religious structure but sometimes we have a
01:52:07.280hyper focus on race to prevent us from normal and reasonable things to create some big cult
01:52:17.040around the land spirits and i think some of the confusion comes with the venerating or worshiping
01:52:22.880aspect being hospitable to the spirits of a place being a good guest being a good overlord being a
01:52:31.920good whatever you are has to do with your circumstance and isn't the same as worshiping
01:52:37.680them since that you worship the gods or your ancestors so i'd like to point out that too
01:52:45.040are and so and then i'd further like to say that the spirits of a particular place
01:52:50.400can kind of break down into two different things there are racially specific spirits
01:52:58.320like the spirits of deceased ancestors that look over a place that's very different but there's also
01:53:10.400nature spirits that exist in a neutral place that are not particular to
01:53:16.800our faith or any other place they're simply consciousnesses that exist in the natural world
01:53:23.440around us that we interact with now our ancestors have always interacted with land spirits when
01:53:30.000they've gone places to say that you know it's less racially specific to us to interact with
01:53:39.920land spirits in north america than you know any other place is really splitting hairs
01:53:49.200you know our ancestors maybe they came from the caspian step maybe they came from hyperborea
01:53:58.880but nobody would think twice about venerating river goddesses in europe
01:54:04.880because for a very long time our people have been there but when you get further afield it
01:54:12.140becomes stranger but our people did this wherever they traveled and it makes sense
01:54:17.900depending on your thoughts and feelings are the spirits in North America are they all
01:54:25.700you know are they all Native American spirits are any of them
01:54:31.460um uh salutrian spirits are any of them you know we have no idea the mists of prehistory of where
01:54:43.160people have gone are there you know again you could do that forever and it would be like you
01:54:50.500know we can't make use of animals that come from someplace that's not europe that's preposterous
01:54:57.260How dare we, you know, use. Shoot, I don't know. I'm trying to think about if we found ourselves in India, we'd be making use of elephants and not, you know, that's no white man would use an elephant.
01:55:13.100that's you know that's dravidian stuff um i think when you go places there's
01:55:19.580we share the natural world around us with other groups of of living things
01:55:29.520to interact in those spaces and to be respectful of spiritual forces wherever we find ourselves
01:55:46.940And I think that worshiping our gods is different
01:55:50.500than making offerings to spirits of the land where you're at
01:55:55.080as far as maintaining good relationships with the spirit world.
01:56:00.300I don't think those two things are in conflict.
01:56:03.060And I think that hyper-focusing on that is going steps too far.
01:56:08.140um here's kind of a deep question spawn what is the relationship between gods and man
01:56:19.000for christians god had unconditional love but for pagans isn't it the opposite like everything
01:56:29.080is proven with sacrifice and value no i've always thought the relationship was closer to an exchange
01:56:37.540gods are far greater than us or greater to us and they are life itself we worship them because we
01:56:44.420have to coexist with them if we want a blessing then we have to give something up to them because
01:56:50.540they will not give us gifts or they do not love love us because how would a god love something
01:56:57.620that is so far beneath them what are you thought oh that's an interesting question
01:57:06.280um okay first off let me tackle the unconditional love that's a bait and switch I think that's
01:57:15.780pretty clear someone can say that they love you unconditionally but in order for you to get into
01:57:26.380the good place you have to do these conditions and you know whether you do them or not I still
01:57:32.920love you unconditionally but you got to do these conditions so it's kind of a uh
01:57:41.640it's a bait and switch it's it's a very kind of abusive like framework there um you know
01:57:48.840you have to do this you have to believe this you have to affirm this you have to change this
01:57:55.160but remember i the onset even before all of these conditions i loved you unconditionally
01:58:02.920But you still got to do it. So it's like, what do I do? So the bait and switch there is, I think, more about a misunderstanding of Christianity in that part, because it's been sold.
01:58:19.080The love part has been sold as of late in the last century.
01:58:24.200I think you go further back, and it was pretty clear there were deep conditions, maintaining the covenant with Yahweh, etc.
01:58:32.360And I think even Jesus in the Bible spoke about maintaining these covenants, and that there was very little confusion.
01:58:44.500Even when he said, I do not come as a peacemaker.
01:58:48.200I come as a sword to sever the ties between fathers and sons, mothers and daughters.
01:58:55.820He is talking about conditions that leave you on one side of the line or the other.
01:59:03.640So the unconditional love kind of concept is something, I think, to lure people in.
01:59:10.700And then there's the conditions, the bait and switch.
01:59:13.120but that doesn't answer our relationship with the gods and I think that we view things very
01:59:23.020differently one there isn't a bait and switch it is about building a relationship with the powers
01:59:32.900of the world outside of ourselves and I know that some modern Christians can find some connectivity
01:59:41.500there, the idea of having faith outside of ourselves, removing our ego, has a lot of
01:59:49.580potential in both religions. But for us, building that relationship is not done because we have to
01:59:56.600live with the gods. No, the idea of all of it is that it is an interconnectedness,
02:00:05.560And it's an interconnectedness with our source. The gods are the source of us. And we can become disconnected as time goes on. And that it is important to replenish that connection, that our parents do it and our grandparents do it.
02:00:26.100And unfortunately, that has not been the case.
02:00:31.140You know, perhaps there's theories about that as well in the idea of like the gods, you know, knowing that there was going to be this severance time and then returning and all of the reasons as to why.
02:00:43.660But the relationship is just that. It is a relationship that is built on worth, worship to the divine, to the gods. And that worth is defined by source. It's defined by that which we are attempting to do outside of ourselves.
02:01:11.640And then there was another part where I think it kind of shows the division between us.
02:01:21.360And I would definitely say, no, pagans is not the opposite of that.
02:01:27.300Because, again, the unconditional love, that's a bait and switch.
02:01:30.460But you have all of the examples are in the Bible, and those are Levantine Semite pagans.
02:01:36.980I don't know a huge amount of them, but pretty wild stuff there.
02:01:44.380we're talking about european germanic polytheism and um i think that it's not hinging on love
02:01:56.620nor is it hinging entirely on uh what i do as an individual getting the reward at the end getting
02:02:07.220the cookie. It's not built around that. It's built about how I am in the ecosystem of my family,
02:02:16.420how I am in the ecosystem of my tribe or my nation, how I am in the ecosystem with my ancestors and
02:02:24.860the land spirits, and ultimately then to the ecosystem with the gods. We share this space
02:02:33.260with them and we are of and from them and we get a chance to celebrate this existence that's why
02:02:44.440uh when we had mentioned the books um that also true uh the native a native religion
02:02:49.720uh native european religion is one of the key factors that really sticks out there is
02:02:54.160a celebration of life. We are part of this process and our coming forth is another event
02:03:05.040in that process. And we get a chance to share it and we get a chance to share it with others.
02:03:11.680And if our families or siblings or anybody connected to us in this ecosystem fall short,
02:03:20.320that happens but you find it you you join the church you find this ecosystem and you get a
02:03:30.360chance to share and experience life and enjoy life uh you try to it's not hedonism it's it's
02:03:39.600obviously you you bring upon duties upon yourself because you know that the gods are watching and
02:03:46.440anybody who just hedonistically runs off, that's not good. Anybody who's completely inactive,
02:03:52.440that's not good. So we see the gods are interacting with us in a relationship that ultimately is about
02:04:02.640us being thankful and learning how to best express that thankfulness to the gods in life.
02:04:14.920And the gods don't want unconditional worship. They don't want some sort of jealousy condition where if you put other gods before them, it's not, they didn't set that basis.
02:04:30.440instead they set the basis of how can you be a greater person of the folk that they know we can
02:04:40.460be and one of those conditions is building that relationship and giving worth to that which is
02:04:49.680worthy you give worth to your elders you give worth to your children you give worth to the gods
02:04:56.780you are doing this because you're part of that ecosystem so it's not diametrically opposite nor
02:05:04.920is it atomizing christianity has a tendency to atomize because the bait and switch uh your
02:05:12.060grandma could be a great person but if she didn't accept jesus into her heart she didn't do this if
02:05:19.600You didn't do that. You can follow the trail. Those are conditions. Whether the person defining
02:05:28.740the split says they loved you before them, those are still conditions. What we see is the over
02:05:37.020arching connectivity between all of us. And that's why when we measure things like good and evil,
02:05:44.300We consider them in relation to how they affect the people around, you know, it's like the murder dilemma, killing dilemma in Christianity.
02:05:55.700A lot of military people come back from wars, really, really twisting themselves up about the fact that they killed someone else.
02:06:06.660In our faith, the idea is that if you are defending your people, if you are holding true to your honor and your duty, then you are not, it's not some grand sin to fight a warrior from another land.
02:06:27.440And in a way, too, you kind of end up building a connectivity there of respect for them as well, because they're doing the same thing.
02:06:35.400So I think that the balance and the interconnectivity is being lost because many Christians only think about their individual soul, and they kind of have been taken by the bait and switch.
02:06:55.680It's unconditional love, except if you don't follow these conditions.
02:06:59.680And that intellectual dishonesty to the self creates a kind of confusion when they encounter a group of polytheistic Germanic pagans, and they immediately default to the way that the Judeans viewed their neighbors.
02:07:23.760and uh that really like misconstrues I think a lot of what they're attempting to do if they're
02:07:33.580if they're genuinely trying to learn so uh you have to kind of step back pull some away from
02:07:41.980yourself and then come in with fresh eyes because I see a little bit of kind of a framework and I
02:07:49.880understand that might be the only framework you have that you're coming from but that framework
02:07:54.380needs to be uh destroyed in order to understand uh where our folk are coming from in our relationship
02:08:19.880i think there's always danger of misunderstanding when you try to define paganism as the opposite
02:08:28.520of christianity it's never going to be the opposite of anything because it's not defined
02:08:36.280it it isn't a reaction to it wasn't created as a antagonist towards christianity it is an
02:08:44.440independent completely separate thing so you'll notice things that are similar and you'll notice
02:08:50.200perhaps more things that are dissimilar but nothing is a counterpoint to that's not how
02:08:59.240that's just not how it was created it's not how it grew and that's not how it's developed so
02:09:05.320So again, like Swan said, the depiction of the Jewish God loving unconditionally is not borne out by the terrible things inflicted upon the people that don't meet his conditions in their holy book.
02:09:25.820I think that's self-evident in reading the Old Testament, and I think that defining all mankind worthy of death and destruction isn't showing love for them, but wait, he doesn't do that to everyone.
02:09:47.160there's a condition the condition that you that you give your life over to
02:09:57.300Jesus so there's there's clearly a condition you are right in the sense
02:10:07.320that you need to show worth to our gods our understanding is you know and it
02:10:17.100is easy to get too polaric in how we do things i don't presume that our gods have some deep
02:10:27.580abiding love for each and every one of our people i don't mean to say that maybe they don't
02:10:35.820we would like for them to love us and care for us
02:10:39.420we achieve that by building a relationship with them and by making ourselves worthy of their
02:10:49.360notice but so that gap of worthiness isn't insurmountable one of the last you know last
02:10:57.380part of questions you know how could the gods love something so far beneath them
02:11:01.440because they're gods and they can do big things there we wouldn't want to limit what limit what
02:11:08.960they can or can't do they can love big things they can love small things they can love all
02:11:14.320things in between they're not beholden to or obliged to but they certainly can and
02:11:23.600i don't think that it is transactional in the
02:11:29.200marketplace sense of that but it is transactional in the medieval sense of it and you see transaction
02:11:42.140between unequal forces throughout medieval europe and it's one of those defining things
02:11:48.000the relationship between lord and retainer or between a knight and their serfs or whatever else
02:11:59.700but the intention is is there like you would you know if you're a serf you would give your lord
02:12:09.480uh labor and you know produce or you know you would provide labor and produce and things
02:12:17.160in exchange they would you know allow you a piece of land to work and their protection
02:12:24.280and various other things it's it's always in relationship to to the person your relationship
02:12:30.500you know a nice relationship to the king the king would owe them protection or lands or equipment
02:12:38.840and you would owe the king your you know your military service and your your loyalty your
02:12:45.320fealty there's it's not a one-for-one kind of exchange and it's very frequently seen in europe
02:12:52.740between unequal people and that roots itself from our tradition no we can never give the gods
02:12:59.860something equivalent to what they can give us but it doesn't invalidate the sharing
02:13:05.700and the relationship through gift giving reciprocally back and forth
02:13:13.940it's like giving gifts to members of your family is yes they give you gifts and you exchange gifts
02:13:22.660is not the same transactional relationship as going to the store and purchasing something
02:13:30.500though it does involve exchange of resources so i think that it's it's slightly different that way
02:13:39.860but i also think that our lore is full of
02:13:44.980expressions that the gods do care about individuals now often the individuals they
02:13:51.220care about are heroes or kings or great people that's kind of the nature of the literary tradition
02:13:58.660but if they have the capacity to care about individual mortals certainly we can work towards
02:14:06.180building that and earning their uh earning their care for us something that i brought
02:14:12.900up while swan was speaking that i've always thought was kind of a poignant thing it's from a
02:14:17.940A poem, Farskina, which is a section of the Eriksmael poem about her blood acts.
02:14:33.380What kind of dream is it, said Odin, in which just before daybreak, I thought I cleared Valhall for the coming of slain men.
02:14:42.940I waked the Einherjar, bade Valkyries rise up, to screw the bench and scour the beakers, wine to carry, as for a king's coming.
02:14:54.000Here to me I expected heroes coming from the world, certain great ones, so glad is my heart.
02:15:00.140And the idea that the poet accepted the concept that the All-Father would be gladdened and happy to see the arrival of noteworthy heroes from the world of living is telling of the belief of our ancestors.
02:15:18.720And as I can say in my life and in my understanding, I have absolutely felt the love of the gods in many, many ways.
02:15:33.700I wouldn't want to presume their feelings towards me.
02:15:38.540I don't mean to do that and be presumptuous.
02:15:42.100But I have greatly appreciated their blessings.
02:15:44.940blessings and i know that they hear me when i reach out and speak to them and they have blessed
02:15:52.860me many times over and i'm very appreciative of it they've certainly shown me love or shown
02:16:00.020me favor in that way and i think that that's absolutely something you know i think that they
02:16:06.000love our fold who and to what degree that's for them to decide not for me to dictate but i have
02:16:12.900no reason to think that that's not a thing and there's nothing on our board that tells us that's
02:16:17.460not a thing i think that's a i think that's something that is kind of from the chest-thumping
02:16:27.400sword and sorcery school of understanding that's got itself woven into a certain thread
02:16:35.480of early modern house are true and i think it's kind of persistent i think it's a similar thread
02:16:40.980people that talk about we don't kneel before our gods and things that way i don't think it's meant
02:16:48.100badly but i do think it comes from a similar kind of misunderstanding and kind of kind of like
02:16:55.300making our faith a counterpoint to christianity and an enhanced like i don't know exaggerated
02:17:03.620bravado that's not there but yeah that's that's what i would say to that that's just something
02:17:10.260you said earlier svan the dc are connected to the earth is that what he was saying
02:17:18.260earlier when you were talking about um the different forces in the world uh the reaser
02:17:24.740and the thurser and things like that can you clarify yeah i i think did you say dc
02:17:33.300um because the desir are connected to the blood the risi or thurser are connected to the land
02:17:45.480um but there it's not a clean cut specification it's kind of more or less the
02:17:53.740um it's like the word enemy or friend um an enemy is antagonistic a friend is not
02:18:03.360an ally is not but a foe is antagonistic so um these classifications are not super clean
02:18:15.080Well, the idea, Jotun's being ancient and Risi being like the mountains and Thursar being aggressive.
02:18:29.580That's where you can kind of take a lot of that and you can't always just say, well, it says this clearly.
02:18:39.700it's like again the definition of the word in old norse is not it's it's it's
02:18:45.460kind of a broad word just like the word monster or just like the word uh guardian um but
02:18:54.660uh dc are connected to the blood and risi is generally another word utilized uh
02:19:04.480in compound words, with Yotin. And they have a tendency, based on all the lore and observation,
02:19:15.960they can be, some can be negative towards the Aesir, and some can be positive. And some switch.
02:19:26.000They start out negative, and then become positive. But ultimately, it is about intention.
02:19:33.600Intention is, I think, one of the driving factors.
02:19:36.120The Jotun are not some different race of people.
02:19:41.920And that collectively, the Aesir are one race.
02:19:47.660No, it's their intention, their dominion in the world is built in this direction.
02:19:54.460And the Jotunar have a different intention.
02:19:57.820sometimes it lines up or they join the intention of the iser and other times it goes beyond
02:20:07.500it goes the opposite of lining up and it becomes antagonistic i would say thirster though has more
02:20:15.060connotations towards mankind uh our folk encountering spirits of the land that are
02:20:21.200clearly aggressive and malicious and hence the reason why that word i think eventually morphed
02:20:28.800into troll which is akin to like monster um or demon so um but yeah dc are connected to the blood
02:20:38.520they're clearly uh there are norniers they are part of the nornier hierarchy structure
02:20:47.240and they are connected to the individual members of the families
02:20:55.560so a question about thor who's called half jotun
02:21:03.480but his mother is the earth so the noble spring land when the thunderstorms happen
02:21:10.040upper part of emir destroying the plague and arguments he is half racy not half thirst right
02:21:19.620regarding thor it's fun you follow the question and what is your reaction i think first off that's
02:21:27.380kind of what i was just talking about there's a lot of confusion in that i think there was also
02:21:31.540a lot of confusion in that during snorty's time because we can also see the earth honored in
02:21:39.700previous iterations, like Tacitus' Germania. So again, if the word Joknar doesn't have an
02:21:51.160antagonistic title, it's not simply the opposite of the gods. It is what they're doing, their
02:22:01.260intention, their place. If they are a combination of order and chaos, then they would not be of
02:22:09.580the gods of order. They're in the middle somewhere. And again, the striker, the Aryan god,
02:22:18.020the third part of the tripartite, which is the striker, is in every Aryan
02:22:27.280classification of religion and always connected between the earth and the sky.
02:22:37.080Even the Greco-Romans did it, though they humanized him through Hercules, but the concept is still there. There is a deep connection between the strength and the might of the earth and the strength and the might of heaven being aligned through the god Thor or through whether it's Tyrannus amongst the Gaulish Celts or what have you.
02:23:07.080these stories do change based on the cultural references that they come from.
02:23:16.920But there are people, again, that try to classify,
02:23:20.620oh, Ymir's upper body, that's symbolic for these type of jotuns,
02:23:25.480and lower body for these type of jotuns.
02:23:28.160And none of that actually really matters because the lore is very clear
02:23:31.760after Ymir is slain and his blood comes and the gods shape the earth, the Yotnar line
02:23:39.940descend from Burgalmar. And it is really clear that not all of the Yotans, by the time that the
02:23:50.320gods start moving around in their dominion after the war with the Vanir, that some of them are not
02:23:58.600against the gods at all some are indifferent and some are antagonistic so that's what kind of uh
02:24:06.680i think that comes from abrahamic religions where they have these kind of classifications like
02:24:12.040there's a cherubim and uh nifalim and and they do all of these kind of they need categorizations
02:24:20.360um and then when they don't get that in our faith they get very uh they start cramming
02:24:27.480things into different spots um and if they have the intention of oh the gods are race mixing with
02:24:35.920another race the jotnar are a totally different race no lord odin the the jotnar the ancient ones
02:24:43.720of of uh of uh nivelheim that's that's where they source from and adumla and her creation
02:24:52.500so it it it kind of becomes ridiculous if you lightly map it out but people are desperately
02:25:03.080looking for definitive points so yes lord thor is a connection between the middle world and
02:25:11.180the heavenly world he is uh somewhat kind of like fighting fire with fire the aggressive
02:25:19.480yotnar who are chaos he can bring that chaos but he is also of the order of the gods so he is that
02:25:29.640ability to kind of bend the rules to to kind of uh attack things at a at a different mode of thought
02:25:39.480and that's what makes him so special and you know we could talk about even just the physical sense of
02:25:46.920the iron rod in the belt and magnetism and all of those things connected to the earth
02:25:53.560and protecting us from solar radiation etc um that's all really fun to to look at but at the
02:26:00.120end of the day there is this deep connection the link and the reason why our faith has the hammer
02:26:06.520as a symbol of our faith is because it is the worldly divine and the cosmically divine
02:26:14.600connected and it's connected through through holy four
02:26:25.160thank uh nicholas from ohio for his 20 donation um 22 general fund or i'm sorry 10 to the general
02:26:39.720fund and 10 towards paying off race hall thank you for that and the first one to take us up on
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02:26:52.760jeffrey from texas towards the cigarette pavilions thank you for that jeffrey and
02:26:58.840nick could you mark that down so we can keep a tally of that until we reach out of them
02:27:04.440all right that said question go ahead i was going to say uh there there is another kind of uh add-on
02:27:13.740question to thor sure go ahead it says thor is part matter question mark fjordgin which is why
02:27:23.060he can't go across the bivrost bridge um one the bivrost bridge and the overarching poetic
02:27:33.280point of the Bivros Bridge is that the accessibility that heaven has is a fragile
02:27:41.400thing. It's a thing that is allocated to those who are very special. I think that the bridge
02:27:49.480shattering is again, showing just the massive power that is Lord Thor. And, you know,
02:28:02.140your interpretation of, uh, of part matter, um, could very well, you know, that's, I think, uh,
02:28:10.040uh, theological concept that we could definitely kind of, uh, put into frame. And I think it would
02:28:17.880be interesting. I think it does have merit, but I don't think one correlates to the other.
02:28:23.660I think that the real point of him crossing over the cooling river and the serpentine river to get to the wellspring in heaven is because the bridge is not for everyone.
02:28:41.280access into the divine heavenly realm is for the heroic, for the advanced, for those who have
02:28:48.100broken through and above into understanding the perennial truths. But that's not saying
02:28:56.780that Lord Thor can't do it. What it is saying is that he's just so big and powerful and massive
02:29:03.100that such a fragile thing can be destroyed by his presence um do i believe though about his
02:29:14.200connection to matter i do believe that he has a deep connection to matter um but is not simply
02:29:23.400half matter or i don't i don't think we can classify that and say oh yeah thor is um uh part
02:29:31.360of part of matter i think he can be part of matter if he wants to and i think perhaps maybe
02:29:36.640the idea is that because he's connected to it it's easier uh then you see some of the other gods
02:29:44.600perfectly content working within the realms of the heavenly like freak um but and has all matter
02:29:52.600come to her in the story um but i think it's an emphasis poetically yes that he is connected
02:30:00.760and has the ability to connect to the middle world as he is.
02:30:06.100We often say he's the son of heaven and earth.
02:30:27.460Yeah, that's kind of why we're going over the guild beginning.
02:30:30.760Because in the Gilbeginning, it clearly states the Aus-Senior, and it states the Aus.
02:30:39.520And a lot of people have been confused over the decades as to why, say, Idun or Sif is not mentioned in the Gilbeginning.
02:30:48.600Well, authors have taken their attempts to frame this, but they never do it in a sense of hierarchy.
02:30:57.660And that has caused, I think, even more confusion.
02:31:03.140But they generally call them troll wives or Jotun brides or what have you.
02:31:09.340And I think that is because they're attempting to foreign the Jotuns and make them foreign so that they can push some sort of narrative.
02:31:20.160But the reality is that when King Galfi talks to high, just as high in the third, he says, these are the gods and these are the goddesses that the folk should pray to.
02:31:34.640But we clearly know that there are forces that are connected to the gods that are beloved by them.
02:31:47.000So the word Ausstvinnir was kind of settled on, Ausst meaning like great, and Vinnir, friend or beloved one. So it's a beloved one. And they enter into the hierarchy along with the Himenverder.
02:32:06.820So they're not expanded upon in the Trulagmal because it would drag the intent of the Trulagmal down.
02:32:17.180They're mentioned briefly, but the whole point of it is that it's a direct, concentrated shot of our divinity and our theological framework in a concise point.
02:32:34.740And if we went into all of the Ausvenir and how the relationships between the, you know, the Jotun forces that align themselves with cosmic order and some are done through oaths and some are done through marriage in the stories and what is marriage between them, it would drag the purpose of it down.
02:32:57.360So I think that they will be expounded on much more in the future, and I also think that it's absolutely okay for our folk to honor them and build relationships with them.
02:33:13.420They are with our gods, but it is clear that the Gilbeginning says these are the gods that our folk should worship.
02:33:23.300so yeah i think that there's um sometimes a there's a subtle distinction that is meaningful
02:33:37.860um as we've kind of codified in the true love model
02:33:43.140these are the gods that you should worship that doesn't mean that you can't also include
02:37:10.260You can't just make a drawing and do magical stuff.
02:37:14.120there has to be an intention behind what it does they have to be empowered
02:37:21.000in their in their usage and that doesn't necessarily have to be by the one who's
02:37:25.240wearing them or the one who you know has possession of the runic item but it certainly has to do with
02:37:30.280the person who's created them i don't think you get magical efficacy out of accidental things
02:37:38.040now you can do them wrong and misuse your intentionality and then backfire
02:37:44.040or not work as intended absolutely but again that is a um
02:37:52.200that is a like a misshapen intentionality but it's still intention it's not just
02:37:58.840oh i randomly crossed two sticks and it made a gabo gabo magic engage it it's not it's not
02:38:07.000doesn't work like that in that way spon do you have something to add on that
02:38:12.840uh no i think you you covered it i know that there are people on that there are people on
02:38:19.400the internet um that do say oh it doesn't say runes specifically when tacitus is talking about
02:38:27.800casting lots but you know it that that utilizing that to create to dismantle some something that
02:38:38.960clearly is set that transfers beyond writing um is very disingenuous i see it a lot with with
02:38:48.360ostra and easter and the eggs and all of these things oh no that but it wasn't written about
02:38:54.840so therefore it's not real um and again they're they're not they're they're picking and choosing
02:39:01.640the little things that they want in order to knock it down um uh pulling lots divining
02:39:12.380in these senses but i think there's one point i would bring is that i like to look at the runes
02:39:19.700as something of going to the deepest, darkest, and farthest point
02:39:27.280is the sound waves that Lord Odin and all the mysteries of
02:39:34.760when he synthesized himself with the circulatory system of the universe
02:39:38.820that is Yggdrasil and going and following the roots
02:39:42.240all the way down into the primordial points of sound.
02:39:49.700And then what we look at when we're doing rune pulling and when we're doing protection, these points are tapping into those powers with our intention, like Al-Sahirgothi said, but these are very, I think these are very mortal usages.
02:40:08.740and that there's layered understandings of the runes,
02:40:19.000but we are only able to utilize them within the capacity of our understanding.
02:40:27.280And that's not necessarily a bad thing.
02:40:29.540It's not an insult on ourselves as beings, but we're not gods.
02:40:33.620And so the runes for the gods in their usage and makeup might be very, I mean, almost incomprehensible to us.
02:40:47.360And our stories are just trying to let us grasp some of that.
02:40:51.960But yet, at the same time, as is viable in all things, a breeze on one side of the world can affect so much, so too does the great powers of the runes allow us, with our intention,
02:41:07.740open up our consciousness to these powers so we can utilize them for protection or
02:41:15.080to get kind of glimmers into interpreting the way that or law is going to play out
02:41:24.120and i think that people have a hard time differentiating that or or conceptualizing
02:41:32.040that that's all i wanted to say about it well i'd like to just consult the text and it's funny
02:41:37.620because this version this translation of tacitus just straight up says ruins oh that's always been
02:41:44.740the understanding until modern well actually want to find fault um i think the it may have
02:41:53.380been closer to marks or carved carved marks into sticks could that be something other than runes i
02:42:02.820suppose is the most obvious answer of runes yes so let's go with that because that's what makes
02:42:13.620sense and it's very similar it's exactly what people do today often in their room casting
02:42:22.900germania 10 says for auspices and casting of lots they have the highest possible regard
02:42:28.820their procedure in casting lots is uniform they break off a branch of a
02:42:34.260fruit tree and slice it into strips they distinguish these by certain rooms and
02:42:40.100throw them as random chance will have it under a white cloth then the priest
02:42:45.860of the state if the consultation is a public one and the father of the family
02:42:50.300if it is private after a prayer to the gods and an intent gaze heavenward pick
02:42:57.020up three one at a time and read their meaning from the runes scored upon them
02:43:04.860so that is described in you know one of our earliest sources that's laura and how our
02:43:12.540ancestors practiced our faith um again that translation just straight up says runes because
02:43:18.700it's the most sensical answer they certainly carve symbols or markings onto sticks and use
02:43:29.420them as we would runes so i think it's incredibly solid but that's how they used to practice it
02:43:35.500that's how great many of us practice today that's typically what i do as a three-run pull that's
02:43:43.100the most common i would say that people do so um there's that just for a point of
02:43:50.380point of information on it um matt and spawn either of you ever
02:43:57.740do sauna slash cold plunge contrast therapy no i certainly do not i don't like the cold
02:44:06.300honestly I don't like saunas either I like hot tubs like hot tubs a lot they help me a lot as my
02:44:15.640older I get the more my joints hurt and I get sore hot tubs do a lot to loosen up my muscles
02:44:23.380help my joints and overall feel nice but sauna is not my friend I don't like the trouble it gives me
02:44:31.200breathing and i have not tried the cold plunge deal heard lots of good things about it i am not
02:44:37.920speaking against the science involved it just sounds very unpleasant and i have not felt
02:44:42.800going to do it because i i don't want to experience that unpleasantness what about you spawn
02:44:47.760it is mr alaska man don't like the cold well we don't like the hot either here
02:44:52.000yeah not liking the cold in alaska is how you survive um no uh same with iceland too uh no
02:45:02.260no it is unpleasant but uh but then there's like this body rush afterwards i've done i've done um
02:45:10.040both and i do gotta say i like um so i will do 15 minutes at 170 degree sauna um and i i don't do
02:45:21.860them. That's the only thing the question said, like, do you do them in contrast? I don't do
02:45:27.240them in contrast. I generally will, will focus on one particular at a, at a time, um,
02:45:36.040for various reasons. And I think I look at saunas for circulatory recovery. And I look at
02:45:47.740hot tubs for muscular recovery. And I look for cold plunge for onset of
02:45:57.040activity, a kind of getting cold and then slowly starting to warm yourself up with movement and
02:46:10.740then warming yourself up with activity. So I don't necessarily do the whole hot, cold, hot,
02:46:16.580cold. I think that those kind of things, um, I don't know if they have some adverse effect,
02:46:24.000but I just don't enjoy doing one and then the other, but I have done them just in their own
02:46:33.500allotted times. Um, and I, I, I agree with you, I was here to go, the, uh, recovery in the muscle
02:46:41.080with the sauna i mean with the uh hot tub seems to work uh especially if i do a leg day and my
02:46:49.220legs are feeling really rickety um i could go into a sauna and walk out and i'm still in the same but
02:46:56.680i feel far more relaxed and and and the muscles seem to have gotten a chance to recover when i
02:47:07.640do the uh like the hot tub the hot immersion in water um but there's a rush that comes from
02:47:15.880cold plunging that i think really kind of gets you in proper headspace especially if you go in
02:47:22.860and move your body and break there's a slight barrier that's kind of created you break that
02:47:29.400barrier and it is very very intense and then you get up and slowly start to kind of move out of
02:47:38.000that and you have this energy from it it's very strange uh getting that kind of uh hyper sense
02:47:45.460from it you wouldn't think but it it's there i just i don't know about doing one after the other
02:47:53.140yeah i've read a lot about you know and a lot of people do the the alternating hot and cold
02:48:02.120i've never gotten any benefit out of that um has the fa ever received anger or hate messages from
02:48:10.880christians after moving into a new neighborhood or after setting up a huff in what was once a church
02:48:17.640spawn i've got some schizo mail um with drawings all over them ballpoint pen uh it looked like
02:48:31.240something like a rob zombie cover and we did it at thorsoff about uh once a year and it's it's
02:48:40.720you know, the same stuff, repent, uh, worship Yahweh, God of the Jews, or go to bad place,
02:48:50.140Gehenna. Um, and it just ramble. It's a lot of rambling. Um, I, I never really keep it. I,
02:48:56.980I read it more for entertainment. Um, I feel like it would be rude not to because of all the effort
02:49:06.360that this one guy puts into it um and the drawings are pretty cool um but i that's the one that
02:49:15.640sticks out to me every now and then we'll get an off shoot one where it'll it'll say that and i
02:49:21.100remember too uh we used to get emails that were like oh uh christianity jesus would never exclude
02:49:29.640people by race and i always used to write back to them i'm sorry for your confusion but we're
02:49:35.280not a christian church and they would kind of not know what to do with that very rarely respond back
02:49:42.240um because it was just the onset of their own confusion that brought them in but
02:49:49.520the guy that sends stuff and i i think i'm due for one this year at thorsoff so yes but i can
02:49:58.240can only speak for myself i don't know about other hof uh go the at at the other hofs yeah um
02:50:08.780it's it's very irregular like you can't say none that's not what the problem is though
02:50:19.800people the people that get grumpy give us a hard time because of they're woke and we're not and
02:50:32.300we're racially aware and that's the thing it's more of a you know them being bad and saying you
02:50:41.640know racism's bad and woke stuff a lot more left versus right uh like chaotic wokeness versus
02:50:54.480traditional stuff very seldom is it a a Christian thing and matter of fact we've
02:51:01.560gotten a lot of positive response from Christians both pastors and and congregants
02:51:11.280on stuff that we do we have a number of different uh churches that will send people to our food
02:51:19.360banks and encourage their parishioners to come get food when we're doing our food uh
02:51:25.920our food pantries every every month um yeah so far more positive um usually the stuff we get is from
02:51:37.680you know social justice warrior people not from christians that are mad at what we're doing um
02:51:49.040yeah and we so something that we've gotten more of than the opposite and there have been a couple
02:51:53.520of people that are upset but most of what we've got in relation to us getting former churches has
02:52:01.040been people that used to you know celebrate you know they used to be congregants there
02:52:08.080specifically and i think this has happened at thor's off too but i know specifically it's
02:52:12.880happened at baldur's off to where they'll come and they'll be really happy that somebody's taking
02:52:17.520care of the place and they'll want to reminisce about how they got married there you know decades
02:52:24.800ago or how they had you know they used to go to dances there however long ago we've had a lot
02:52:30.800of that around baldur's hof i believe we've had some of that at thor's hof um we definitely had
02:52:36.800that at odenshof odenshof started out as a grange hall for the grangers and then over its um it was
02:52:46.320built in 1938 i believe so over its time it's been a number of different things and some of
02:52:56.640those have been it's been a church at different points it's also been like a i think a christian
02:53:03.200school at one point um and so yeah those people are glad people are taking care of the building
02:53:08.960and it's showing some love most of the places that we've purchased have been neglected and not
02:53:14.800well cared for for quite some time so people are happy to find that they're getting taken care of
02:53:21.040for the most part yeah i was going to speak a little bit on that i know that uh you have
02:53:26.720expressed too that people have said uh ridiculous things about uh like the churches and stuff like
02:53:33.600that and um or like buying churches and so on and so forth um when uh thorshoff was coming about
02:53:41.760and i didn't know thorshoff was going to uh be you know real estate is and all of that um
02:53:49.280we were i was looking at schools uh there's uh in in western virginia there's a couple of um
02:53:57.360school buildings so you know a lot of the people that try to i think throw a lot of detraction at
02:54:05.440us because they don't have anything and they're like oh they're doing it in a church and it's like
02:54:12.400no we're we're finding these buildings and rebuilding them up and dedicating them to the
02:54:20.720gods and whether it's a grange hall or you know a school or uh a former christian church
02:54:31.760people that try to like claw at that and gnash their teeth um i think it's just so it's that
02:54:41.060desperation of just wanting to cause pain and really to cause pain towards the gods because
02:54:48.460they can't let that be a thing that happens no if if if if it was us we would you know build a
02:54:59.500viking reenactment religion and or uh building and and it's like it's so ridiculous so i i
02:55:07.260really find it interesting when you bring it up and i i had just i forgot yeah the grange hall is
02:55:15.020it's history there as well and um lastly there was a um a woman who came in during the uh mural
02:55:25.660um she uh while i was painting at thorsoff and she was absolutely just so happy that we were
02:55:34.580going to keep the building um because she was afraid that it was going to get uh demolished
02:55:40.840and that's why she was there and we were like no we're not demolishing the building and then uh
02:55:46.100we also showed her uh mr bethe's grave on the side and she was deeply moved by that that that
02:55:54.320we were tending that grave and caring um for his grave and so nothing but just positive sense and
02:56:03.920she had her congregation had moved to erwin methodist so it's not like there was some
02:56:10.060lamentation that her her church had died that the the congregation just had moved but she wanted to
02:56:18.320make sure that the building was still there and and it was and we had no intention of disrespecting
02:56:25.420any anyone there anything there we were just practicing our faith there now and you know
02:56:33.240just that southern hospitality of it she was just absolutely enamored with the idea of of it all so
02:56:43.620yeah the reaction's been and again there's a lot of comments online or whatever that is far more
02:56:52.900about wokeness than it is about religion and when the news just focuses on racism and not on
02:57:01.740house a true there are christians that will be concerned as fawn said earlier like that we're
02:57:07.880doing christianity wrong and then they stop and we're like no no like we're not christian that's
02:57:15.400not what we're doing they're like oh uh okay and it ceases being an issue with the vast majority
02:57:22.200of people so that the battlefield where we get pushback isn't really bad but honestly we don't
02:57:29.080experience that in real life most of the time most of the real life interaction with people