Asatru Folk Assembly - 5⧸8⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 96 - King Osric & King Eanfrith

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00:03:39.160 So, for those of you that did not read my lips, we are welcome to another exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:47.600 Something a little bit special today.

00:03:49.300 I think it's the first time we've done a rollout like this of two new Ausatru heroes that we're

00:03:57.820 going to celebrate and honor with annual Days of Remembrance. And we will get to that here in a

00:04:07.400 moment. We have invited our resident Anglo-Saxon specialist, Gauthier Trent East, to provide his

00:04:17.000 with an insight this evening.

00:04:20.800 Always a pleasure to have Trent on.

00:04:25.460 Got a number of things kind of for the top of the show

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00:09:02.560 has been awesome and it has really gone a long way. We're doing some tweak and I usually would

00:09:11.580 have done it last week because that was the first broadcast of the month, but I want to go ahead and

00:09:17.420 do it tonight. The big project we've been working on is kind of a combination of things. Our next

00:09:25.380 big thing that we want to do Hoff-wise is phrase Hoff. We've been working towards that. In order 0.78

00:09:31.820 to do that we have to first pay off njordshoff so um nick's throwing up donate links if you're

00:09:40.940 listening to this after the program and you want to contribute uh at runestone.org there's a clear

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00:10:11.980 was 245 000 even and we now are under 90 000 that we still owe we're 89 and uh we're 89

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00:10:50.460 chopping it down a little bit more so we're doing we're doing fantastic and we appreciate you guys

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00:11:03.100 at the ready um oh uh a note from whit and brandy if you do order merch tonight she's going to be

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00:11:34.540 kind of think if there was other stuff oh sure we should talk about our next two upcoming events

00:11:48.480 a national level events that is we've got midsummer it's our biggest event of the year

00:11:54.360 at Odinshoff in Brownsville California if you haven't been there you should come check it out

00:12:01.000 If you have been there, you should come and revisit it.

00:12:05.200 I would look forward to sharing midsummer with all of you guys if you can make it.

00:12:10.680 It's likely to be our biggest event of the year.

00:12:13.060 It's not a promise.

00:12:13.920 One of the other ones could blow it out of the water, but it usually is the biggest one of the year.

00:12:18.460 And it's really nice.

00:12:21.020 It's at our first hoff.

00:12:22.400 It's a hoff that we will...

00:12:24.400 this is the eighth midsummer at that hof at odin's hof that's eight years worth of our might of our

00:12:38.860 energy of our sacrality that we've poured into our first you know our first real sacred space

00:12:48.620 here in the United States.

00:12:53.440 People who go there frequently remark

00:12:57.020 that when they go there for the first time,

00:12:59.200 visitors or people, you know,

00:13:01.020 Ausatruar or otherwise,

00:13:02.960 that it's really, they can feel it.

00:13:05.020 They can feel the energy there.

00:13:06.380 It's a really special place.

00:13:08.020 And I would love to share that with you guys.

00:13:11.020 So think about doing it if you can.

00:13:13.560 The following month in July,

00:13:15.000 we're going to have Sigur Bloat at Sigurheim.

00:13:18.620 it's going to be awesome. It's going to be hot, but it's going to be nice. We're looking forward

00:13:24.100 to it. It is a beautiful, beautiful piece of land. It's a very special place. There's a lot of things

00:13:30.840 we're going to be doing in the future there. It is the home to those beautiful Steve and Sheila

00:13:36.560 statues that we erected in December. So come by and check those out. I did a lot of work on those

00:13:47.320 behind the scenes on planning them, but I've yet to see them in the bronze, as it were. I've yet

00:13:53.180 to be there and touch them and see them and really get the whole feel of that. So I'm excited to see

00:13:59.200 those. I would love to share that bloat to victory with you guys. That's at Sigurheim, which is in

00:14:07.620 Jackson County, Tennessee. If you can make it there in July, we'd love to see you there. It's

00:14:12.720 to be a really great event certainly was last year this is the second annual sigger bloat and 1.00

00:14:18.800 we'll have many more to come in future years 1.00

00:14:26.320 reserve the right to interrupt later if i forgot some but i think that's what i got for you

00:14:34.800 so

00:14:35.040 So, to start out with, some of you may or may not be familiar, the Asatru Folka Assembly,

00:14:50.020 following on an Asatru Free Assembly tradition, and that was our predecessor organization that

00:14:56.740 was around from the late from the mid 70s to the mid to late 1980s that's where a lot of

00:15:07.900 Alistair Truth traditions got started and that's where the tradition of honoring Alistair Truth

00:15:12.280 Heroes with Days of Remembrance started we have added to that over the years here and there as

00:15:21.640 We've discovered individuals that are worthy of that recognition and celebration.

00:15:28.820 And as we've kind of pondered and learned and really given weight to those kind of decisions,

00:15:41.800 it's not something we want to do lightly, but we do want to honor people who are heroes of our faith.

00:15:47.980 And there's two such gentlemen that we want to honor in that way this evening.

00:15:51.640 from they're often overlooked and uh unsung and that's intentionally so one of the biggest things

00:16:06.820 that recommended this is something that I felt really compelled for us to do is that these two

00:16:15.640 gentlemen were written out of history because their adherence to our faith was so abhorrent

00:16:24.040 to the uh the christians of the day they wanted to to wash away any remembrance of it because the

00:16:32.280 the story the legend the history and the telling of it was was a threat to that christian advance

00:16:38.280 So, on this year, on August the 1st, we will be celebrating a Day of Remembrance for King

00:16:52.520 Osric, and we will be celebrating a Day of Remembrance on February the 1st of next year

00:17:02.160 for King Einfrith.

00:17:08.500 Starting with King Osric,

00:17:11.580 Trent, will you tell folks the history?

00:17:16.520 You know, actually, before we do that,

00:17:18.660 and I would like you to start with Osric,

00:17:20.660 but can you give people a little bit of background,

00:17:23.600 folks that might not be familiar with the time period?

00:17:28.200 Tell folks, you know, what year

00:17:30.600 in what era we're talking about and kind of set the scene if you will yeah absolutely

00:17:37.300 so this is uh the mid-6th century it's mid-500s and um the kingdom of northumbria in saxon

00:17:48.600 england that's the northernmost it's uh it's like the area of yorkshire and uh lowland parts

00:17:55.800 of scotland essentially uh is in its ascendancy the uh king edwin of northumbria had united the

00:18:05.300 two kingdoms that it's comprised of uh which is bernicia and dara and he converted to christianity

00:18:11.700 which uh upset a lot of people as it should and um he was killed in battle by king penda of mercia

00:18:21.540 and a celtic christian king of somewhere in wales named uh kenwallan and um in the wake of his

00:18:31.620 defeat the two kingdoms that comprise northumbria dara and bernicia split apart and um one was taken

00:18:41.360 by his cousin

00:18:43.720 King Einfrith

00:18:45.680 took Bernicia

00:18:47.460 and his son

00:18:49.480 King Osric took Dera

00:18:50.980 and at that

00:18:53.760 point they both renounced

00:18:55.400 Christianity even though they had been baptized

00:18:57.100 into it and that's 0.99

00:18:59.540 where we're at

00:19:01.000 And what year was this? What year was that battle?

00:19:09.040 The battle was

00:19:11.200 uh 533 i believe it was 633 633. all right so it's century then

00:19:24.560 so

00:19:28.640 we have trent on tonight because he is very proud of his english heritage he is uh

00:19:34.960 kind of our resident authority on anglo-saxon things and tonight we want to talk about two

00:19:45.660 anglo-saxon kings their reign was incredibly short it's hard because when you get to that

00:19:54.780 period of time especially with figures that the christian chroniclers don't want to celebrate

00:20:03.560 Some of the details are obscured.

00:20:10.360 There's a lot of things going on.

00:20:12.820 And one of the really special things are these two kings chose to stand together against the tide of Christianity that was overwhelming their country.

00:20:33.560 The times were shifting. It was politically inconvenient for them to do this. Matter of fact, one of the customs was people with claim to the throne were sent away in exile during a king's reign. 0.87

00:20:57.780 Like if he had important brothers or if he had sons or others that were really close to that line of succession, they were sent away.

00:21:10.460 These two were both sent into Scotland where they were instructed in Christianity and baptized as children.

00:21:21.120 And, you know, they got by and they eked out their existence in that way.

00:21:27.080 But both of them, as soon as they took the throne and they were in the driver's seat, brought their countrymen.

00:21:33.560 Because in that day, it wasn't just the choice of a monarch.

00:21:37.120 If a monarch embraced a faith, the entire nation went with them.

00:21:42.220 That was one of the important roles of kingship in England was them being in and of themselves, in a way, being a high priest.

00:21:57.720 them being a mediator between the divine and the folk and through their kingship that connection

00:22:04.680 was made and it transferred over in a very similar way in the early forms of christianity

00:22:11.560 and even in latter forms of christianity that was kind of the basis of how the church of england

00:22:18.520 operated um was king as high priest so when these two two men took the took their respective thrones

00:22:28.840 it brought all of northumbria for for a year's worth of time back to the faith of their forefathers

00:22:35.880 back to us back to relationship with our gods and

00:22:40.120 And I think it's very difficult to imagine in this day and age what that's like to do that.

00:22:52.900 When you have armies standing against you at the gate, you have your fellow monarchs of the different Anglo-Saxon kingdoms of England fallen to Christianity or in some kind of unholy compromise between the two.

00:23:12.100 and your predecessors have already converted your homeland that you come back from exile

00:23:20.460 and take the throne and you try to fix things and bring things back before our gods and

00:23:25.720 stand against all odds to do what's right for your folk and your country and bring them back 0.80

00:23:32.480 back in trough with the Aesir and short-lived it was just a about a year there's no really

00:23:42.880 good dates on when both of these two gentlemen were killed um and it was it was interesting

00:23:57.160 because the savagery on display wasn't by the so-called

00:24:01.640 heathen barbarians, the savagery that was on display 0.99

00:24:04.700 was by this Welsh Christian who was raping, pillaging 1.00

00:24:11.220 and slaughtering across the countryside 1.00

00:24:13.380 and bringing the kingdom to ruin.

00:24:19.720 Yeah, you found an interesting note.

00:24:21.540 Can you kind of tell about both of these men's demise,

00:24:25.360 trip uh yeah so uh with king osric of dara it's pretty straightforward that um he simply fell in

00:24:36.400 battle against the christians uh kedwallen of whichever celtic kingdom uh brought a pretty

00:24:43.360 sizable army up north to you know make sure he finished the job he had already killed uh king

00:24:49.940 edwin which was osric's father and he wanted to make sure he put osric down as well and then

00:24:55.160 when osric reverted to uh also true it you know it only gave him more reason to uh you know win

00:25:02.380 that battle uh there's not really anything super treacherous about that one that i found in my

00:25:09.700 research but you know uh king ainfrith of era or no i'm sorry king ainfrith of bernicia uh he was

00:25:21.180 killed in a treacherous way. Ken Wallen invited him to a peace meeting. And when King Einfrith

00:25:27.900 willingly showed up to that peace meeting to try and negotiate a peace, I mean, he has,

00:25:33.100 he has Frith in his name. He probably understood the concept of Frith and Grith, right? Well,

00:25:38.460 he showed up fully intending to do that. And King Ken Wallen had his guards hold Einfrith and

00:25:46.140 King Osric, I'm sorry, King

00:25:48.740 Ken Wallen, pulled a knife out 0.94

00:25:51.000 and stabbed him to death. 0.89

00:25:52.560 So he invited him there under the pretenses of peace, 0.78

00:25:54.780 but because

00:25:56.800 King Einfrith was

00:25:58.600 Alcetru and not a Christian,

00:26:00.460 he felt he owed him no honesty, 1.00

00:26:02.300 and it was okay to

00:26:03.680 repay treachery with treachery, I suppose,

00:26:06.800 or what he saw as treachery.

00:26:13.500 Yes, indeed.

00:26:14.560 Looking at it,

00:26:16.140 Just kind of an adjustment on King Osric. I believe he was cousin to King Edwin as opposed to his son.

00:26:31.320 um but yeah both these folks had a very a very short moment in the sun um and what they did was

00:26:45.340 what most of the chroniclers the christian chroniclers took the tradition of was extending

00:26:52.220 their Christian successor Oswald's reign by a year.

00:27:00.700 So, you know, they would reckon the time by the original year of a king's reign.

00:27:10.580 So, and, you know, in such and such a year of the reign of King Oswald.

00:27:14.280 Well, they added an extra year at the beginning to kind of try to erase this period from history.

00:27:20.020 But that is a wrong that I wanted to undo here tonight to the best of my ability and going forward so that we celebrate the courage to stand, I suppose, stand with a kinsman against the entire weight of history that's coming down upon you for what's right and for trough to our gods.

00:27:50.020 And, you know, in many ways, and it wasn't just a religious conflict, but that was heavily on, that was heavily factored in.

00:28:01.980 And that was a big part of the culture of the time and the way these people were treated by history.

00:28:08.000 These are two kings and two in their time for their kingdoms, the high priest of the Iser to their folk.

00:28:16.960 And both of them stood strong, brought their people back to our gods, reestablished that troth, even for a short window.

00:28:27.680 I've mentioned our gods exist in mythic time. 0.99

00:28:32.140 And the way we reckon time is really different.

00:28:37.640 That counts.

00:28:39.020 Even small moments of time stand out and count in the memory of our gods.

00:28:45.320 they're not you know washed away by history in the same way that modern people tend to reckon

00:28:52.120 history i think it's really important when we look at historical folks

00:29:00.440 that we do our best to empathize with their situation

00:29:05.640 they existed they were real they were like you and i they had the same

00:29:14.120 the same brain capacity the same physiology the same tendency to to fear or to comfort

00:29:24.880 or to weakness or to go along with the crowd as anyone else

00:29:29.280 They had the same emotions that you and I have, but they both made a choice to define themselves by their trough to the Eysir, and at great personal risk, and in a way, great personal cost.

00:29:50.200 I think that's really important for us to remember that, because it's easy to look at folks in history as if they're part of a movie or something that's not real.

00:29:58.700 No, these were flesh and blood people like you and I.

00:30:02.800 They just chose to be heroes.

00:30:07.920 So, yeah, I want to celebrate them.

00:30:10.080 And that's kind of what we're doing tonight.

00:30:12.160 We're happy to answer any and all questions you guys might have about either of these two heroes of Alcetru or about anything else you want to talk about.

00:30:22.480 to start with we've got uh as always ronald blake doing some donating gave 30 to south africa

00:30:32.880 thank you very much we'll make sure that goes to help our folk over there

00:30:36.960 and uh bought us a coffee we appreciate that um and okay and also 30 towards the baldershoff fund

00:30:47.680 waltershoff needs work on their steeple situation so that 30 is much appreciated

00:30:56.080 taking a second to look over at the chat trent do you have anything else that you'd like to

00:31:01.440 add about these two men or about that time or about that situation um yeah i guess i can add

00:31:10.080 some more kind of historical context with how these events were recorded uh it was recorded by

00:31:15.600 a christian monk uh his name would have been pronounced uh betta but that's like saying

00:31:20.480 tacitus and i'm not going to do it the venerable bead because that's how it's spelled um was a

00:31:26.720 northumbrian monk himself writing after the time of osric and ainfrith of course but that in itself

00:31:34.240 is the biggest reason why nothing about their reigns were recorded however it it's worth noting

00:31:41.840 that both osric and ainfrith when they you know rejected christianity and uh re-embraced the

00:31:48.560 icer there were no riots there was no instability or anything from their people however when edwin

00:31:56.720 their predecessor who would become become the first northumbrian christian king accepted

00:32:01.200 christianity there was there was unrest there were riots and rebellions and things like that

00:32:07.600 but you know beads not going to emphasize that in uh an ecclesiastical history of the english people

00:32:14.960 so i suppose that's important to and he is he's the guy if you try to read about any anglo-saxon

00:32:27.040 history the the venerable beta or whatever the venerable bead is the guy he is the chronicle

00:32:37.040 source for the stuff and it is an ecclesiastical his uh history and he is very much under the sway

00:32:44.240 of the white christ um so this goes into looking at stuff over on the side here trying to catch up

00:32:58.960 on the chat i appreciate we have a lively and exciting chat room tonight um there's a couple

00:33:06.640 few questions coming in and i think the first one is kind of interesting and i'll let you take the

00:33:14.800 first swing at it and then i want to go for it as well uh owl of omens asks what are your thoughts

00:33:22.000 on a anglist i think is how you pronounce it revival uh it's anglish

00:33:30.320 there's no h in there language works but uh fanciful as uh as folks language or at least

00:33:40.780 as an ecclesiastical language yeah what do you think about that i the anglish thing

00:33:49.180 sounds cool in theory but um it's i'm trying to think of a different word to use

00:33:57.080 but spawn used it once in a really in a context that made sense let me use it so forgive me

00:34:03.000 anglish using it in any context really is kind of just masturbatory it um

00:34:08.840 it's classy yeah you know gotta it um it doesn't really serve any purpose i know and

00:34:17.580 so being of anglo-saxon descent mainly myself i i do understand the appeal to a purely germanic

00:34:26.140 english but i i don't think it's right to step over the imports from the norman conquest and the

00:34:37.740 middle ages the hundred years war all that that is all part and parcel of uh the english language

00:34:45.720 and the english identity whether we like it or not just for the record though english people are

00:34:51.200 still mostly anglo-saxon don't buy the the bs that says we're celts or normans because we're not

00:35:01.840 so

00:35:07.280 i think

00:35:10.080 i first heard about this as a thing

00:35:12.160 probably 10 years ago or so of the like let's remove french words out of our vocabulary let's

00:35:24.400 remove latin words let's remove any greek based words let's keep it all like anglo-saxon germanic

00:35:34.880 words and it's cool and it's kind of fun and i get the idea at the outset

00:35:42.160 as far as you know keeping it local and folk custom and I think that's neat and I think I

00:35:52.300 would have much more of an argument for it if we lived in England but we don't

00:36:01.840 um and I say that I say we hopefully we have lots of Englishmen listening to this

00:36:08.380 and if you guys want to do that by all means please do and that's exciting

00:36:12.300 and i celebrate you i am wearing the yellow and red repping repping the northumbrian colors um

00:36:23.340 but it's a little bit different in the united states one of the things our folk

00:36:29.820 dispersed widely as aryan people as you know indo-european people i'm using the air quotes

00:36:38.220 but you can't see it on the screen so it's kind of silly but i'm bring it in with the air quotes um

00:36:46.620 yeah we just uh we dispersed widely we conquered we settled we sought new lands we found

00:36:53.740 new things we explored and we built kingdoms and nations in many different places and developed

00:37:02.460 to largely unique and really interesting expressions

00:37:09.700 of our faith and of our community and of everything else.

00:37:13.140 One of the things about Ausitru in the 20th century

00:37:16.920 and now in the 21st is it's,

00:37:22.620 our founder Steve McNallan described it

00:37:24.660 as an ingathering of the folk.

00:37:28.100 We spanned across the entire globe

00:37:32.460 We went as far as we could go.

00:37:36.560 We went in the circle until we came back and met ourselves.

00:37:42.660 Apologize, flat earthers, but it's a thing.

00:37:45.880 So what has happened in modern times, the world looks really different. 0.89

00:37:55.700 we've recognized our commonality as a race and our difference from other racial groups of people

00:38:04.500 and macro races of people because most of us in the united states come from

00:38:25.700 you know every year every decade that goes by it's a little bit further away but most of us

00:38:33.320 most of us find our way to house a true here in the United States come from largely an English

00:38:40.640 background those who are not predominantly English usually have that in their their makeup

00:38:49.700 and we're an English speaking country and language is so very important I see the appeal of that

00:38:55.700 I think it's fun, and if you want to do it because it's a fun thing, awesome, go ahead, that's great.

00:39:02.760 But fundamentally, Latin words, French words, Spanish words, Greek words are just as Aryan, just as racial to our people as our English words or German words.

00:39:24.040 now some of the some of the fluff and the imagery that i think we all hearken to and like

00:39:30.060 that's a little bit different story what i think is a much more inconvenient but a much

00:39:36.420 more appropriate and something i'm trying to work towards if we need to have special terms

00:39:45.680 for ecclesiastical things i am trying as best i can to do those towards the old norse that's the

00:39:56.720 language of most of our lore that is the conception that our faith has come to us from that is the

00:40:08.000 the the flavor and the context and the backdrop and the nomenclature that this was revealed and

00:40:16.940 restarted when the all-father spoke to the soul of Stephen McNallan and

00:40:24.620 reforged this that we're all here doing and so I think it's under that conception that

00:40:33.860 is best to move forward to the extent that we need to do that

00:40:38.000 Now, by all means, in whatever country you find yourself, and I think we're predominantly talking to English speakers,

00:40:43.280 but if you're a Frenchman and you're listening to this, practice how it's true in French.

00:40:47.740 There's nothing wrong with that. 0.87

00:40:49.800 If you're a Russian and you're doing it and you've got the strange Cyrillic alphabet that I can't even understand, go for it. 1.00

00:40:56.240 There's nothing wrong with that either.

00:40:58.860 There are a lot of right ways to do it, but if we need to do something unified, bringing us all together,

00:41:05.940 the language of the lore of our sagas and of the way we've come to know our gods

00:41:12.660 is old norse and that's what we're working on um so another plug because it's fun and i want people

00:41:20.580 to have fun with me and be able to talk to me in it

00:41:25.220 i am using memorize to try to simultaneously work on learning icelandic and old norse

00:41:34.980 As far as being able to speak it or construct sentences in it, I am doing absolutely terrible.

00:41:43.780 As far as being able to read it and recognize vocabulary that I'm reading, that's a little bit different story.

00:41:51.400 And I don't think we all need to become experts in it.

00:41:54.900 But the closer you do, the better you can critically look at our lore and really speak.

00:42:04.980 really get the full dimension of it with the nomenclature and the naming and the

00:42:13.020 implications of some of the vocabulary so that's much more what I would favor as an ecclesiastical

00:42:19.800 language as a fun folk thing if you and your buddies want to do the anguish thing that's

00:42:27.540 awesome and cool and there's nothing wrong with that but uh also true wide we're trying to do

00:42:34.800 something that is uniting our folk globally honestly the vast majority of that's in the

00:42:42.300 United States we do have members in 15 different countries as of right now so

00:42:49.200 by all means do it in your local language where you're at and if we all need to come

00:42:54.300 together on an ecclesiastical language I think Old Norse is a

00:42:57.840 It is rich in our heritage, rich in our symbolism, and language affects worldview more than you'd

00:43:08.100 know. So I think the more we internalize that language, the more we put ourselves in the

00:43:13.640 worldview of the sagas and the Eddas, and I think we understand those better, the more familiar

00:43:22.580 with that we are that's probably way more talking on the subject than needed to be done um

00:43:42.420 all right cool so on the side while i've been yapping at you uh rob donated a hundred dollars

00:43:49.540 to the payoff of new york's off and uh mike cosgrove donated 50 towards the payoff from

00:43:56.820 new york's off that's awesome thank you so much guys i think that is enough to get me at the next

00:44:04.820 don't ask me how he's figured out the law speaker has got the payment schedule figured out to where

00:44:09.380 we need done if we're going to pay overage pay it in chunks that should get us to our next chunk

00:44:14.420 so I'm probably sending another check in the mail tomorrow.

00:44:18.220 Thanks, guys. We appreciate it.

00:44:21.100 Our next question up is from Jay Barmore.

00:44:29.660 I have a legitimate question.

00:44:33.100 What are your thoughts on hell worship?

00:44:36.120 Considering in today's time, we won't die in battle, most likely.

00:44:40.260 we will end up in old age, uh, in old age or sick. Um, Trent, go ahead and take a,

00:44:48.980 take a swing at this. What are your thoughts? Yeah, this is, um, a topic I've spoken about

00:44:54.880 a few times. It's an important one. Uh, so hell is of course one of Loki's children who we

00:45:03.520 don't worship or venerate in any form and while hell is not um antagonistic i suppose

00:45:13.100 and uh she is still one of loki's children and uh the biggest reason that we don't uh worship her

00:45:23.960 or venerate her name in a circle for example at bloat or sumble or like welcoming the gods if

00:45:29.960 been to a national event is because when we do those things we're inviting the icier or whoever

00:45:36.440 we call out to be an ancestor or a hero or whatever it's to sort of join us in that moment

00:45:42.120 and in a big afa circle full of you know healthy men and women and children and pregnant ladies

00:45:50.360 you you know you wouldn't invite death to sit at your table you know you can

00:45:54.040 honor her sort of privately i suppose if that's what you're feeling like doing but

00:46:01.720 you wouldn't you wouldn't give her a place at the table to quote uh a friend of mine from odin's off

00:46:09.320 yeah this is uh

00:46:13.800 this is interesting and i think that you know as i've said so many times on the program

00:46:24.040 our gothar and myself we are trying our very best to

00:46:32.560 represent the isere sincerely and accurately and we don't ever want to overstep so it'd be

00:46:43.080 really convenient if we always gave you guys crystal clear black and white answers on everything

00:46:48.880 That would work best for us, but it wouldn't be the right thing to do when that's not something that is crystal clear.

00:46:58.740 there is a

00:47:03.060 there is a difference

00:47:08.980 when we talk about

00:47:10.820 worship

00:47:11.880 and when we talk about

00:47:14.260 you know

00:47:14.760 respect and giving honor

00:47:18.280 and giving a nod to

00:47:19.720 versus

00:47:21.140 giving devotion to

00:47:23.600 and it may seem like semantics

00:47:26.620 but there's kind of a

00:47:28.740 um there's a fine line there hell is not one of the Isir 0.88

00:47:37.620 she exists she serves a function we have no reason to think that she is evil or terrible 0.98

00:47:50.160 um in our lore she's very reasonable when

00:47:53.940 when the isir wanted to bargain for the the life of balder she was very reasonable with that

00:48:03.780 um the story of the hell ride and visiting and seeing balder being

00:48:11.320 entertained in splendor and taking taking care of and celebrated and given you know a lavish

00:48:22.280 spot appropriate for a god while in her domain that hospitality is appreciated

00:48:29.780 I think that there is time to give respect to but worship's a little bit different

00:48:39.540 especially in an AFA context because worship implies a level of exclusivity

00:48:52.260 if we treat everybody the same then we don't treat anybody special

00:48:59.840 and we owe it to treat our god special there are certain things that you give in certain ways that

00:49:09.000 you treat people that have a special relationship with you that you don't do to other entities

00:49:15.020 And this may sound cheesy or silly or whatever, but I think it's important to our thought process.

00:49:22.940 I said it before, I think all too often we look at the lore through a scholastic lens, through either it's like a book report thing or it's like a science thing.

00:49:41.060 it's not it's about relationships with living entities that we know are real that have thoughts

00:49:50.740 and feelings and consciousness and the only way that we can begin to develop that is by learning

00:50:01.860 from other things with that are persons and how we treat them and build relationships

00:50:09.540 and then to the best of our ability magnify that towards our gods but at the very bare minimum

00:50:17.920 our gods are the very best of people there's so much more than that but at the ground floor of

00:50:25.020 us starting to build relationships we can at least extend that to them we owe them much more

00:50:31.080 um so if you think about it we're us we're our folk and we hold our folks special you hold your

00:50:40.460 family is special guy at the gas station if he's cool to you you can say thank you and be nice to

00:50:46.860 the guy but he's not your family he's not who you are in that relationship with you can go outside

00:50:57.000 of the isir where you find yourself and give respect and treat someone respectfully without

00:51:04.680 venerating them and give them worship like you would your gods of your folk who are our isir

00:51:11.640 and i think hell exists in that kind of spot i think there's plenty of times

00:51:17.560 if someone that you love has passed away if it's a funeral situation if you yourself are facing

00:51:25.480 the end of life i don't think that honoring hell is inappropriate or bad but there's a distance in

00:51:36.200 between that and the way that we would worship our isere and it may be a subtle difference

00:51:41.560 but i think it's an important one um i hope that makes sense the question also i think um

00:51:52.360 is overly literal with our war so our lore is never meant to be hyper literal it is

00:52:06.580 artful and poetic ways of expressing truth but the more we try to limit our gods to the text

00:52:18.560 of the lore i think that's inappropriate the lore is the best attempts of gothar and poets of the

00:52:25.040 time to express and to explain or personify the higher truths of our gods um i think it's a

00:52:39.920 misnomer that there's some hard fast rule about you know what qualifies you to get in

00:52:48.400 which gods hall any of our gods are gods they can invite whoever they want into their halls

00:52:57.520 for whatever reasons they want to it would be very impious of us to presume that because an

00:53:05.840 ancient skull wrote down that you know death in babel takes you to certain god's halls that they

00:53:13.040 could not invite people for other reasons and we have examples of that in the lore of folks that

00:53:18.960 didn't die in the heat of battle that were welcomed into valhall um so i think keep that

00:53:25.920 in mind because we die of old age or sickness doesn't prevent us from going to the halls of

00:53:33.040 the icer that's up to the will and the judgment of our icers as literal sentient beings that have

00:53:41.920 choice it's important to

00:53:49.440 to the best of our ability our lore needs to conform to the icer the icer are under no

00:53:58.320 obligation to conform to our lore that we wrote down the directionality on that's really important

00:54:11.920 All right. So since you guys are talking about death, I was wondering, how is suicide scene

00:54:24.080 announced or true? Not that I want to do it. I'm just curious. Well, I appreciate the note of

00:54:30.880 explanation. Trent, what are your thoughts on the subject?

00:54:40.920 One of those subjects that's hard to kind of tackle. But first, let me just say, if anybody

00:54:49.820 listening to this ever right now or any time in the future is considering suicide, please reach

00:54:56.540 out to go thar at roomstone.org or myself or matt or whoever any of us so we can you know help you

00:55:04.800 out that said um i don't know of anywhere in the lore where suicide is encouraged or any seen

00:55:15.020 positively at all i would argue that uh because things like family and folk and the kin fence

00:55:22.600 are so integral to our faith that suicide would be a negative thing. It would be a selfish thing

00:55:28.400 in almost every case. Just because you may feel like your world is kind of closing in on you,

00:55:36.420 it doesn't give you the right to take yourself out of the equation and leave that hole in the

00:55:43.680 kin fence for your kin to deal with. That's my view on it, and I think that's at least close to

00:55:50.860 the the afa's view on it all right so before we do that sarah bought us four coffees thank you

00:56:00.400 sarah we appreciate it and monk donated a hundred dollars to siggerheim thank you very much monk

00:56:07.480 we'll make sure that goes to good use and we very much appreciate it um

00:56:14.560 as i said earlier it'd be cool if me and trent just declared one way or another that ah

00:56:24.760 it's a sin you'll be banished to the outer darkness so nah it's awesome go ahead that's

00:56:30.420 not how it works and there's a gray area unfortunately that causes confusion with

00:56:36.200 our lord and this has always been the belief this has always been a core principle of house

00:56:42.240 true circumstances matter situations matter this isn't a thought or a theory it's real and

00:56:52.640 our gods are not

00:56:56.080 legalistic in a abrahamic sense that's not how they work there is a moral responsibility upon us

00:57:06.400 as aryan noble people to make decisions based upon circumstance that are nuanced

00:57:17.120 so don't please don't get this misunderstood 0.68

00:57:22.480 just as clear as day suicide's bad don't do that um it's silly but i don't mean that silly at all

00:57:32.080 um as of now suicide is the leading cause of death in the outstreet focus symbol

00:57:42.580 we have a lot of people who are

00:57:48.220 greatly affected mentally by the circumstances of the world that we live in

00:57:56.260 there is a lot of things in this world that will depress you and bring you down

00:58:02.080 And as we've seen, especially if you are a heterosexual

00:58:07.800 white man who is traditionally minded,

00:58:14.080 if you have the strength and the folks there to help you see,

00:58:22.280 there's also beautiful opportunities that we have

00:58:27.580 that we're sharing together as the AustroFolk Assembly.

00:58:32.080 And I'll get to the meat of the question, but I'm trying to get to the most important parts first.

00:58:40.960 And I want to say this.

00:58:42.680 If you find yourself, if you are hearing this broadcast, if you're in the AFA or not, no matter who you are, and I really mean this.

00:58:57.900 And I don't mean this about everything.

00:58:59.500 I wouldn't say it about everything.

00:59:00.640 On this, literally, no matter who you are, if you are hearing this and you are in a place where that's something you're thinking about, there's no rush.

00:59:18.720 You're contemplating a permanent decision.

00:59:23.320 I'd ask as a favor, please reach out to one of our Gothar and give us an opportunity to talk to you.

00:59:30.640 you can do whatever you're going to do but we would really like a chance to talk to you about

00:59:38.780 it before you decide on that I wish I could have had that conversation with a number of people

00:59:46.540 who we've lost who uh have made that choice um maybe it could have been different I'd like to

00:59:55.480 think it could have um we don't have any belief that suicide means some kind of eternal damnation

01:00:07.420 but as Trent said you're taking something away from your folk when you do that

01:00:16.600 they have them all talks about that a lot and if I had thought while I read this question I

01:00:21.700 of texted my wife mandy is don't tell nobody but mandy is my secret source on have them all thumping

01:00:28.660 if i need to get like a particular have them all verse she's really good at that

01:00:35.460 but it talks extensively about how you know the land can ride a horse about how

01:00:43.060 you know the deaf can do stuff and the blind it talks about a number of infirmities and how

01:00:48.180 there's still things those people can do to help their folk um

01:00:57.620 no matter what your circumstance typically there's still things that you can do to

01:01:04.820 advance your family advance your folk do things to advance the cause of the isere 0.51

01:01:12.580 and you rob us all of that when you prematurely take your life now there's circumstances there's 0.98

01:01:22.660 acts of extreme heroism where somebody jumps on a grenade for their buddies or whatever

01:01:27.460 that's technically suicide but most of us don't count that there's uh you know I can't think of

01:01:36.160 example in the lore of that per se but i i there's a practice that i i read for the first time in

01:01:43.120 metaphysics of war by julius evola of something that roman generals would do called the devotio

01:01:51.680 um probably not that's probably not how they pronounce it in latin but a general as a final

01:01:58.560 if they needed to turn the tides of battle and they were losing as a final offering to mars

01:02:03.760 they would charge headlong into the enemy and offer themselves up as a sacrifice for victory

01:02:13.100 like there's circumstances to where there's something to be said for it but for the vast

01:02:20.100 majority of us no that's uh and so here when the question's asked we don't want to say anything at

01:02:30.400 that would encourage people to do that because as we said before there's always opportunities

01:02:35.760 every day provides opportunities opportunities to advance our folk your family and the cause of the

01:02:47.840 but we're also speaking to those who have loved ones who've already made that choice

01:02:53.120 and I don't think that choice is an automatic you know something terrible in the afterlife

01:03:02.420 we also believe in the idea of posthumous ascension and we believe that there is life

01:03:09.020 after this physical life in Midgard where hopefully some of these things can be worked

01:03:17.220 out and there's still opportunities to advance and to become more and we believe that strongly

01:03:25.140 so you know if you have a loved one that chose that path don't forget about them

01:03:31.540 don't forget to honor them don't forget to tell stories of them and speak of them

01:03:36.420 don't

01:03:40.380 you don't have to feel ashamed of that you can still celebrate them and your celebration

01:03:50.180 of them raises their status beyond the veil

01:03:54.000 but i mean this anybody out there who hears this or sees this at any time if you're at that point

01:04:03.580 where that's something you're thinking about,

01:04:05.580 please contact any of our Dothar

01:04:07.560 or please contact me.

01:04:10.720 Matt Flavell at runestone.org

01:04:13.600 or you can give me a call 907-350-8252.

01:04:21.060 Please do that before you make that choice.

01:04:23.900 There's no rush

01:04:24.660 and it is something you can't take back.

01:04:33.580 so we're getting a lot of death questions tonight didn't intend to take the conversation

01:04:43.680 into something grim but we will go wherever you guys want to take us um wolf throne asks

01:04:51.000 what are your thoughts on the greek hades being the same being as the norse hell both underworlds

01:04:59.540 are named after the death deity and both underworlds have a place

01:05:04.180 for the damned in hades it's tartarus in hell it is uh nastron i thought it was an interesting

01:05:12.260 correlation trent what are your thoughts um it it is interesting and certainly you can 0.81

01:05:24.900 you know you can tell that it comes from that earlier common arian religiosity that we always

01:05:31.700 talk about um somewhere in our past our ancestors would have you know those two places would have

01:05:39.220 been one place and they they are one place in my opinion and they would have been known by one name 0.95

01:05:46.180 but uh to say that hell is a one for one for hades isn't really something we can definitely do

01:05:54.260 but obviously they have very similar roles if not the same roles uh nastron and tartarus i think is

01:06:01.620 probably a safe one for one you know bet there it's um and it's something spawn talks about

01:06:09.540 on here a lot i think is just that with the different arian faiths it's just because of um

01:06:18.340 language drift and culture drift and things like that we're never really going to be able to put

01:06:24.740 all the puzzle pieces together the different faiths and make them all perfectly fit like a lot

01:06:29.380 of the um a lot of other online uh pagans like to do that being said there's definitely something

01:06:38.340 there and they are very similar and they're similar because they are the same thing in some

01:06:45.460 ways even if some of the names are different or whatever but yeah it's the same but it's not a

01:06:53.140 one for one that's pretty much my final answer what trent said no it's so okay so it's very nuanced um

01:07:05.700 um in Germanic language and Germanic cultures the one for one comparisons are much more clear

01:07:24.300 the further you get out for that the different it's like it's the degree of difference is greater

01:07:31.920 especially in the mediterranean you are absolutely onto something all of your points

01:07:38.720 of correlation are absolutely accurate

01:07:47.040 the road to hell is guarded by garm the underworld is guarded by cerberus both hounds

01:07:54.400 service got that tripartite that's fun let's talk about um no yes they are absolutely calling upon

01:08:04.900 the same route and the same truth what that looks like may differ the particular the particulars of

01:08:14.680 deity that occupies that spot. Again, our lore gives us the best image that we have of that

01:08:24.920 person and of that place. That would be described to a Greek in 400 BC very differently than it

01:08:36.460 be described to a norseman in 880 the truth is the same the particularities are going to differ

01:08:47.020 a little bit over time and we'll know how close those hit the mark when we're on the other side

01:08:54.780 but yes those things are very similar and that's not by happenstance it's because they come from

01:09:00.860 the same route um i'm just trying to make sure i'm catching uh any of the things over in the

01:09:10.940 side chat uh jay i will definitely be reaching out to you i'd like to i'd like to talk to you

01:09:17.980 more about whatever circumstance and and see what's what and explain more clearly if i can um

01:09:30.860 So. All right. So, guys, it's seven o'clock. It's only been one hour. Where are my questions?

01:09:50.860 We need questions.

01:09:52.480 We need questions about Anglo-Saxon England.

01:09:56.540 We need questions about Kings Infraith and Osric.

01:10:02.040 And we want to answer any and all questions you might have about literally anything.

01:10:07.260 But I'm going to do a longer show than one hour, and I don't want to have to freestyle for you guys.

01:10:13.240 So let's get some questions going here.

01:10:17.660 I know we've got some out.

01:10:20.020 um what do we got excellent ah michael from yordshoff go to east can you speak on the four

01:10:31.960 heroes of the four hoffs in the afa that'll certainly kill your time excellent go for it

01:10:40.600 Yeah, okay.

01:10:41.820 So...

01:10:42.180 Get spawn answers.

01:10:44.980 I don't know if I can do that.

01:10:46.340 Do it in a spawn voice.

01:10:49.400 Oh, well, you see.

01:10:50.780 No, I'm not going to do a spawn impression.

01:10:52.260 That wouldn't be very nice.

01:10:54.620 Starting with Odin's Hoth, we have

01:10:56.020 Meister Guido von List.

01:10:58.140 He gave us the Armanin

01:11:00.500 Boothart, which if you haven't studied

01:11:02.460 and you're into runes, I recommend it.

01:11:04.580 It's so esoteric

01:11:06.620 it's a little frustrating,

01:11:08.460 but it's worth it.

01:11:09.320 he uh was born in austria lived and died in austria and um ever since he was a child he had

01:11:19.140 a fascination with uh the all father specifically and our gods and uh he swore in 1868 maybe

01:11:30.460 i forget the exact year but he swore to build a a temple to uh botan or odin uh as a kid and his

01:11:38.480 you know his father who was with him at the time sort of laughed it off and of course meister von

01:11:44.040 list did not build a temple to odin himself but he is honored at a temple to odin the first one

01:11:51.180 in at least a thousand years for thorshof we have alexander rudd mills who was australian

01:11:59.060 he was uh he founded the anglican church of odin i believe it was called anglican being a word for

01:12:07.680 the anglo anglo-saxons so kind of fitting this episode he was imprisoned for a while during

01:12:15.040 world war ii because he rejected christianity and tried to explore our ethnic faith in the correct

01:12:23.760 way the folkish way and uh you know people weren't a fan of that in australia which has always been

01:12:30.960 kind of a left-leaning place in that regard for baldershoff we have the folk mother uh

01:12:36.160 elsie christensen uh she's one of the heroes i've studied up on not as much i i guess because

01:12:45.440 she's not some fantastical thousand of years ago you know norwegian wizard but uh she was born in

01:12:55.600 denmark and at the end of her life she lived in crystal river florida which is not too far at all

01:13:03.520 from yordzhov i actually have some members living in that town um she brought uh austria or odinism

01:13:11.520 as she called it kind of back to the forefront around the same time as uh founder mcnellen and

01:13:18.400 they were in contact at times i wouldn't say they were close friends or anything

01:13:23.440 but they were in contact at times and working towards the same mission

01:13:26.560 I'll, you know, even if founder McNallan had a bit more success with it,

01:13:31.560 uh, Elsie Christensen did bring a lot of people home to Austria.

01:13:35.560 And we have members today who knew her or read her writings at the time that

01:13:40.560 she was alive. So she left a profound impact on our folk or your soft,

01:13:45.560 the real best off. I don't say best this top. I say best off.

01:13:49.560 Cause I'm a grown man, by the way, uh,

01:13:52.560 uh that's fine uh for your talk we have the aforementioned norwegian wizard uh raud the

01:14:02.000 strong he was called a bloat priest which is a gothi and he was known for remaining

01:14:11.040 alcitru during the time of olaf tryggvason who is the villain in uh at least half of

01:14:19.360 our heroes' stories.

01:14:23.600 Olaf tried many things to get Roud to convert to Christianity,

01:14:30.120 even promising to be his best friend,

01:14:32.500 because I guess Olaf thought Roud was a six-year-old.

01:14:36.080 And Roud turned everything down,

01:14:39.580 the promise of best friendship,

01:14:42.720 as well as fabulous cash and prizes and all this and that.

01:14:49.360 And at one point, Olaf tried to engage Roud in battle on the sea, and Roud allegedly cast some sort of spell or magic on the sails on his ship and managed to sail away through a windstorm of some kind, if I'm recalling it correctly.

01:15:10.340 Eventually, though, he was captured by Olaf Tryggveson, who slowly and brutally tortured him to death. 0.93

01:15:18.440 And through all of that, Raoul did not, he did not accept Christianity, did the right thing.

01:15:26.020 He stood his ground, even though it cost him his life here in Midgard. 0.86

01:15:40.840 Yeah.

01:15:45.420 Good.

01:15:46.780 I think that's certainly a really good coverage of Roud.

01:15:51.420 A couple of things I want to add.

01:15:57.980 So Roud is one of the – like he's been on the list since the list was made, as far as I know.

01:16:09.440 a whole lot of our austral heroes came from in the very early days of modern aussitrew a reading of

01:16:22.720 i would say most of them came directly from the heimskringland which is the sagas of the kings

01:16:27.760 of norway and so that's where a lot of their stories come to us from um route is one of those

01:16:35.200 that was there since that time the other three are ones that we have added

01:16:48.960 that we've added um during my time as i was here ago and it was

01:16:57.520 it was really important for for me that we add

01:17:05.200 Some of our more contemporary heroes of Alcetru.

01:17:18.320 Alcetru spans the entire existence of our race.

01:17:25.700 And one thing that was something that I've learned in my lifetime of doing this,

01:17:35.680 I think that a lot of us, when we start out,

01:17:38.220 oh, Vikings, Vikings are cool.

01:17:39.980 That's also true.

01:17:41.000 And I think that the modern expression of also true started that way.

01:17:44.520 I don't think that.

01:17:45.320 I know that.

01:17:46.040 Steve has said as much.

01:17:47.920 And with no shame, Vikings are cool.

01:17:51.100 That is also true.

01:17:52.360 And that's where a lot of our lore and our source material comes from.

01:17:55.840 But the more you learn and the more you study these things,

01:18:00.660 it existed long before that.

01:18:03.700 and it currently exists long long after that um the story of our folk is far larger than the

01:18:15.460 you know I think 300 years that they reckon is you know like the Viking Age

01:18:23.380 uh it's much much deeper than that when I went to Denmark and when I went to Sweden on uh AFA trips

01:18:33.700 And the sacred sites there that we went to, very, very few of them are from the Viking Age.

01:18:40.580 Most of them, the vast majority of the dolmens and the stone circles and the sacred places that we went to are, you know, in what they would call the Celtic period.

01:18:54.260 They were in a period far before that time.

01:18:57.220 Honestly, a lot of them dated back to the Neolithic period.

01:19:03.700 So Ausatru is as old as our folk

01:19:07.860 and is as contemporary as our folk.

01:19:11.720 And if we do our job right, it always will be.

01:19:14.600 Certainly always will be in our souls.

01:19:17.240 Hopefully an outward expression of it always will be.

01:19:21.260 But that's up to each and every one of us

01:19:23.260 to make sure that happens.

01:19:25.560 But those standouts of the modern rebirth

01:19:29.900 and reforging of Ausatru were really important

01:19:33.700 for us to honor i and trump mentioned this but meister von list you know when he was young and

01:19:40.500 he first got that zeal for our gods he vowed that he would one day he was going to build a temple to

01:19:47.460 photon and in his lifetime he was never able to accomplish that no one was able to accomplish that

01:19:56.180 until 2015 but it was really important to me that that be the place that we honored him

01:20:04.500 that first temple that temple to odin that he be the hero that celebrated there so

01:20:12.100 like i mentioned posthumous ascension i wanted to extend the hand to posthumously fulfill his oath

01:20:20.340 to establish that because we would not have been able to establish that if it was not for currents

01:20:27.880 he put into orlog to make that happen and i wanted to celebrate him there for that

01:20:37.120 um you guys talking about your your anglish and and whatnot another fanciful inventor of english

01:20:48.140 words was a tasman fourth or uh uh alexander red mills what was really important to me to celebrate

01:20:57.420 him at thorsof um it was interesting because he skipped

01:21:12.140 time and just the currents in history and society are really interesting how they come

01:21:17.740 into play and all of that's part of the the skein and the weave of of orlog

01:21:28.700 in alexander rudd mills's day he was able to in a completely modern way

01:21:35.900 with well-dressed, noble, successful, good-looking white people

01:21:45.100 do a version of this that we do.

01:21:49.080 And he skipped through the whole phase of the LARP thing

01:21:55.220 and the Viking dress-up thing or the black metal T-shirt,

01:22:02.620 skinhead tattoos on your face thing he skipped all of those phases that modern house true in

01:22:10.360 the United States and if you're listening to this it's not an insult to anybody that came from there

01:22:15.940 or that that's maybe where they're at currently but it's interesting to look back at what he did

01:22:22.720 originally in the 30s 40s through the 60s in australia because it was much more like the afa

01:22:35.760 is doing currently without some of those intermediate steps and i think that speaks

01:22:41.440 highly of what he was trying to do and what he was able to accomplish in a short amount of time

01:22:47.040 and it was important that he get honored um he inspired

01:22:52.720 Elsie Christensen very overtly in what she did and she went about things in a completely different

01:23:01.900 way so you know Trent mentioned that her and Steve kind of started

01:23:12.340 exploring and founding outside true things at the same time but without direct connection

01:23:22.480 first and eventually they they made each other's acquaintance and corresponded back and forth

01:23:28.560 um but they went about it really differently steve's focus was

01:23:39.680 so i don't claim to be an expert on elsie there's certainly people who have known her much better

01:23:48.080 than i i never knew her in life i've read her writings i've spoken to many people who did know

01:23:55.360 her there's a lot of people alive today still who corresponded with her and were much closer

01:24:03.040 um but my understanding is and from uh correspondence that i've read between her and steve

01:24:09.680 she knew that the spiritual aspects of ossature were very important but she wasn't

01:24:22.700 I don't know aligned or structured right to make that her focus but she knew it needed

01:24:29.420 to happen and was celebratory that Steve was hitting the spiritual nature of what we do

01:24:36.140 so strongly whereas she was you know dealing with wayward men she was very active in prison

01:24:44.400 ministry dealing with men whose you know lives were often in shambles

01:24:51.000 reminding them of their worth directing them to something better turning their eye to the cause

01:25:00.120 of their people to build something positive whereas steve was doing a lot more with developing

01:25:07.480 ritual things at those times so both of those currents were really important but they served

01:25:13.480 really different functions at that time and they've kind of come together in what we do today

01:25:18.840 in in a lot of ways um but yeah we've got

01:25:25.080 appreciate you guys i threw out the call for questions and uh you guys came with the questions

01:25:34.280 let me find where we're at trying to not make a lot of dead air

01:25:40.920 while i read questions trent entertain us

01:25:47.160 uh how about i entertain you by reading the next question because i have it pulled up

01:25:51.720 that's a flex go for it all right uh witten young asked me when did i start researching

01:26:00.740 and studying anglo-saxon history and what inspired that uh what inspired it was trying to find

01:26:08.580 where my ancestors came from and going oh man east is a pretty boring name i wonder where it

01:26:15.600 comes from i hope it's not england and uh the english like their boring last name does whitten

01:26:21.580 young can attest uh my very creative ancestors come from east anglia and uh that inspired

01:26:30.280 my study of the anglo-saxons uh with that and my dad always telling us we were irish because

01:26:38.160 that's a cool thing to say in the south and it turns out we are not irish even in the slightest

01:26:43.240 next. Barack Obama is also Irish.

01:26:53.320 I'll let my dad know. He knows. Anyways.

01:27:03.480 it i apologize it is a fun broadcast when trent's on trent trent brings the fun um

01:27:18.680 sometimes

01:27:23.560 so okay the next question is and i kind of touched on it so i was here you go how do we determine who

01:27:30.120 are who are our heroes for our days of remembrance so that's something we're feeling out we're still

01:27:39.320 in the early days of that centuries from now how the afa will determine that will probably be a

01:27:45.240 really exact science and we'll have a council of people that weigh and measure things and

01:27:51.000 that'll be really cool i look forward to looking on beyond the veil at that

01:27:56.040 and celebrating right now really and truly um

01:28:04.840 we take the traditional ones that have been established by folks back in

01:28:11.400 i think during the 1980s was the first celebration of the days of remembrance

01:28:16.440 but some of our elders might know that a little bit better

01:28:18.840 and we build upon that we look one of the big things that I look at because it's hard there

01:28:26.420 are so many people who happen to be also true that I celebrate what I have focused on in the

01:28:37.780 people that I have

01:28:39.880 recognized as heroes with days of remembrance has been those who

01:28:47.680 didn't just happen to be also true but being also true was fundamental to their story

01:28:57.360 or they were also true in the face of opposition to it um and that's not to

01:29:05.160 again you can't fault somebody who's in an also true society that everybody's also true and they

01:29:11.700 are a hero and they also happen to be also true that's great i don't want to deny them

01:29:17.000 uh their their spotlight but there's a different kind of heroism when you are standing against

01:29:24.520 opposition to maintain your faith against those who would tear it down or destroy it

01:29:31.980 and you choose to take that courageous stance specifically because of your tribe to our gods

01:29:40.020 Those are the people that I've focused on so far who are really pillars of the religion of Al-Satru as opposed to other heroes who are also Al-Satru, if that makes sense.

01:29:55.160 And I hope that it does. 0.98

01:29:58.600 Also from Brandy, for both the Al-Satru and Gauthies, how do you celebrate Days of Remembrance? 0.99

01:30:07.540 Trent, how do you celebrate Days of Remembrance?

01:30:11.640 I tend to keep it pretty simple if I'm not at a hall for a Day of Remembrance.

01:30:17.800 And the first thing I'll do is that morning I'll read or listen to or something.

01:30:23.720 I'll do kind of a deep dive on that person's life story and sort of meditate on it throughout the day

01:30:31.440 and kind of reflect on if I would have been brave enough to make the same decisions they made,

01:30:37.820 if I were in the scenario they were in, things like that.

01:30:40.860 And either at lunch or at dinner, depending on where I'm at,

01:30:45.320 I'll kind of take a moment outside by myself and just say a little something for them.

01:30:52.220 So nothing too fancy.

01:30:58.000 You know what? My answer is not well enough.

01:31:01.440 That's how I celebrate Days of Remembrance.

01:31:06.220 We've got so many things going on all the time.

01:31:09.580 Unfortunately, it's something I could really do better on.

01:31:12.220 I want to try it.

01:31:15.080 I suppose I could take the cop out of I celebrate them by establishing them

01:31:20.020 and trying to get other people to celebrate them.

01:31:22.760 And I will take that if it counts.

01:31:26.060 But I could certainly do more.

01:31:27.880 what um used to be i would focus uh and and i say this kind of as a note to myself i want to do that

01:31:37.640 more and i will do that more starting this month at my monthly dinner so when i started actually

01:31:47.160 that was how i started practicing outs of truth my very first house of truth thing that i ever

01:31:54.280 was involved in in the real world was hosting people at my house to celebrate

01:32:02.200 uh the day of remembrance for king radbot of freesia

01:32:08.360 and regularly that would kind of be the theme of of a monthly get-together that i'd usually have

01:32:17.320 at my house wherever that was at the time and you know we'd celebrate a meal sometimes you'd have

01:32:24.840 a stumble sometimes we wouldn't um but at the very least we'd tell their story and speak their name

01:32:32.200 and the other thing that we would do is um oftentimes we would specifically cook a dish

01:32:43.400 fish that was culturally significant but some of those were apocryphal like okay for example

01:32:52.040 tonight to celebrate our uh our kings I wore the Northumbrian colors

01:32:59.240 not really they're kind of a fanciful thing that were okay so yes they are the Northumbrian colors

01:33:05.660 but as far as in osterix and uh uh inference they they weren't necessarily so retroactively like

01:33:15.980 as a as an homage i do that what we did um for like to celebrate radbot of freesia freesia for

01:33:23.180 those that might not know is in you know modern uh holland or the netherlands and so we would

01:33:30.380 um try to find a dish from there that's where i came about my banana and sauerkraut dish that's

01:33:37.180 awesome and you really need to try it also we did snurt which is like a split pea soup that's really

01:33:44.780 good call it a soup not really it's thicker than that but it's really awesome um but yeah we cook

01:33:52.060 like an ethnically relevant dish to the culture that the hero was from

01:33:56.860 um I think those are really cool things to do and uh need to do more of that but that's how

01:34:06.300 that's what I got on it

01:34:08.940 let's see what's next up here

01:34:22.040 okay william of normandy great english king or greatest english king asks go through rob

01:34:37.240 stand trip what are your thoughts don't use his other naming his other nomenclature because i

01:34:46.280 don't think that's fair and not a proper way to celebrate that monarch no uh as much as i am

01:34:53.640 saxon through and through uh obviously i have some norman blood and i am proud of william the

01:35:01.560 conqueror's uh drive and ambition and things like that even if harold godwinson should have remained

01:35:08.360 king uh but weird goes ever as it shall right um yeah great king certainly not the greatest king

01:35:15.320 The greatest English king was Henry V, by far. 0.98

01:35:19.300 Notable, probable homosexual, 1.00

01:35:21.480 Timothee Chalamet portrayed him excellently 0.83

01:35:24.120 in the movie The King, which is on Netflix.

01:35:26.800 Highly, highly recommend. 1.00

01:35:29.020 Again, probable homosexual. 1.00

01:35:33.700 Now, not William, but the actor, correct? 1.00

01:35:38.300 All of the above.

01:35:39.120 No, the actor.

01:35:40.100 Oh!

01:35:45.320 um so here's another

01:35:52.040 random side point but something I thought about that is a uh

01:35:57.560 I suppose relevant to how I celebrate days of remembrance

01:36:03.020 you guys may notice in the way that I list them or talk about them and I don't always do it

01:36:14.360 perfectly

01:36:20.920 one of the really important things to me when dealing with the historical figures

01:36:27.080 especially ones that i want to celebrate is to hi madison is to uh

01:36:36.360 acknowledge their station in life

01:36:46.920 and this is i i guess this is a long aside but i'll do it anyway it always

01:36:57.240 and i mean always i mean since i was very young was grossly offensive to me when archaeologists

01:37:08.060 and museums would excavate tombs of kings or pharaohs and treat them as just some bones

01:37:19.520 to be put on some shelf or poked around with or whatever

01:37:23.120 in the case of pharaohs these were literal gods amongst men that ruled

01:37:32.840 tens of perhaps hundreds of thousands of people that revered and worshiped them and built these

01:37:39.900 elaborate tombs to celebrate them and honor them after their death

01:37:44.800 and we're poking around like the nobody that's wrong on a lot of levels so when we honor these

01:37:55.720 people I try as much as I can to use their title and to in my thoughts about them and when I speak

01:38:06.040 about them and address them to try to remember that in the AFA we don't believe in equality

01:38:15.040 equality is not a thing now some of these people are from different stations in life and

01:38:20.960 are do different amounts of deference but when you are celebrating a king he is a king

01:38:28.420 he is the lord of his men he is the intercessor between the iser and the folk

01:38:36.040 He is of the royal line of Odin himself in most of these cases.

01:38:45.460 And I think in our minds, when we envision these people, when we conceptualize them, when we speak of them,

01:38:54.260 they do that deference, and it's worth taking that step back.

01:38:58.460 if you were to meet the president you would ooh and ah and treat them super special and

01:39:06.680 hyper deferential and you can infer whatever you want about our modern process of that

01:39:14.480 that's a guy that sits in the high spot for four to eight years maybe by

01:39:21.800 democratic election maybe not these people are of divine royal blood that ruled their nation

01:39:37.100 and were the favored of the isir

01:39:41.600 that should mean something to you when you speak to them if you were to offer prayers or

01:39:50.360 uh offerings in your altar to them when you speak of them remember them as the highest version of

01:39:59.800 themselves and not just some dude because there's so much more than that and that's a way of honoring

01:40:06.280 them with that remembrance you know i try to do that even um when honoring

01:40:12.920 like kinsmen at sumble so there's one school of thought if i were to honor my grandfather

01:40:23.800 which i often do matter of fact he's the man i named my daughter after um

01:40:32.360 but yeah to me he was my grandpa and i think there's i'm entitled to see him that way

01:40:38.920 but honoring him in front of the folk i try to give him full honors he was a lieutenant colonel

01:40:44.760 so rather than like hey i miss you grandpa which i think is appropriate to do

01:40:50.920 i try to make the point of hail lieutenant colonel aubrey allen davis because he devoted his life

01:40:59.320 to serving in the military in various positions from when he was 18 until he retired

01:41:05.800 and even after he retired

01:41:08.180 took a civilian position

01:41:09.580 doing that, I want to celebrate that

01:41:12.440 so I try to do that with our heroes

01:41:14.500 as best I can

01:41:16.440 too

01:41:16.740 I hope that makes some kind of sense

01:41:19.480 I wax

01:41:24.180 long-winded this evening

01:41:25.700 thoughts

01:41:28.120 oh, so to the thing

01:41:30.000 because it wasn't specifically a Trent question

01:41:32.380 William the Conqueror

01:41:35.800 Three kings went to battle to see who was going to rule England into the future.

01:41:46.120 One king came out on top.

01:41:49.400 We've got to celebrate that.

01:41:51.640 The greatest English king?

01:41:54.220 No, that's Edward III.

01:41:58.940 A great English king?

01:42:00.760 Certainly.

01:42:01.440 uh trent if one were to be interested in anglo-saxon history what source material

01:42:12.040 would you recommend any authors or any particular authors uh the source material i would recommend

01:42:19.080 is sending an email to teest at roanestone.org because i love talking about this stuff but uh

01:42:25.860 no i so it's it's 2024 and i'm from gen z so i haven't read like a whole book on the anglo-saxons

01:42:36.040 i just pick a specific character from history or subject in particular and i look it up on

01:42:42.560 wikipedia or other places on my phone at night when i should be asleep uh but as far as an author

01:42:50.840 so to speak uh myself and gothi mayo actually both really enjoy the british history podcast

01:42:57.340 the dude who narrates it is like kind of a portland hippie but he's really big into facts

01:43:04.180 so he doesn't you know add any kind of like gay razzle dazzle to any of the facts

01:43:09.440 but uh he's just gotten through the norman conquest on his podcast and he covered the

01:43:16.620 Anglo-Saxon era in outstanding detail better than I could ever do here but outside of you know

01:43:24.560 wanting to listen to a whole podcast that's been going on for 15 years uh you can shoot me a message

01:43:30.720 with a question and I'll answer it I celebrate your honesty go to the east but I would suggest

01:43:37.900 that you read a physical book cover to cover about Anglo-Saxon history just to say you did

01:43:43.600 um all right for both of us what is your preferred method of ancestral worship beside

01:43:56.020 honor by being trent what say you

01:43:59.920 uh well the second round of high stumble for one is important i i'm not a big fan of

01:44:10.060 that thing some people do where you know they get nervous about talking about an ancestor during

01:44:17.860 someone they just say well hail all the ancestors and everybody's done it at some point i have

01:44:22.080 myself but i think specifically giving the full name of an ancestor a little bit about them is

01:44:27.880 really really important because when we're doing that ritual those words echo into the well and

01:44:34.820 our ancestors are supposed to be able to hear them from beyond the veil and so you know i'm sure

01:44:41.000 i like to think all of our ancestors are happy to hear us say hail the ancestors but it's even

01:44:48.080 more special if you can name one and share a little bit about that person with you know the

01:44:53.960 rest of us because that is you showing them off for lack of a better term i suppose uh the other

01:45:01.900 thing i like to do and this is something i was doing as a christian even it's still it's so

01:45:08.820 permeates our culture at least here in the south i don't know about everywhere else

01:45:12.160 i i just talked to my ancestors sometimes my granny east specifically because she was such

01:45:17.880 a big part of my life uh the one i toast and stumble pretty often i joke about she's gonna

01:45:24.020 smack me because she wanted me to be a christian preacher not a not a goathy uh so that's that's

01:45:30.880 big, just acknowledging them, really speaking to them, thinking about them on their birthday or

01:45:36.440 the day they passed. My granny passed on Mother's Night, and she was kind of the matriarch of our

01:45:41.960 whole family. So it's a fitting time to think about her either way, for example. That's pretty

01:45:48.420 much it. I could probably do more, but that's what I do. Yeah, that's important. That's kind of a day

01:45:57.960 that's always coalesced for me my grandfather the one i spoke of earlier who i named the daughter

01:46:03.080 after he he died on his birthday on march 31st he was exactly 70 years old so march 31st has

01:46:11.320 always been kind of a special day for celebrating ancestors for me um

01:46:20.040 everything trent said um i think it's really important to tell

01:46:24.120 tell stories especially if you first tell stories to anybody you can hear

01:46:30.420 if you have kids tell stories to your children about their ancestors

01:46:37.840 because you are the connection that they have to those that who've already passed that they'll

01:46:44.680 never know um so yeah keeping their names alive telling stories um one of the things

01:46:57.160 i mentioned kind of my roots in doing ostrich stuff is having people over and

01:47:05.000 you know hospitality having people over for a meal that was always something

01:47:09.080 that in our family my grandmother was the one who did that for for holidays or whatever else

01:47:17.160 so when i do that i often honor her and i've got a a really cool picture it's one of those um

01:47:27.960 i don't there's probably a technical term for this but those pictures

01:47:31.400 from like the 40s ish where they're like recolored so they're like they're almost like a black and

01:47:43.720 white image that retroactively is colored somehow i don't know what the term is anyway it's cool

01:47:50.280 picture and i have it up in my kitchen so when i'm preparing those meals for you know the i was here

01:47:57.160 gothic dinners at my house i can kind of look to her and i don't know have a moment there so that's

01:48:06.920 something that i do i've also and i happen to this may not always be the case because i don't know

01:48:12.840 what our situation on segerheim is going to look like but i've got that staircase situation in my

01:48:19.240 house where i have a two-story house and i've got one of those you know anyways got a staircase

01:48:27.160 So along the staircase, I have pictures of my ancestors and, you know, I try to acknowledge them in some way when I go up and down the stairs and point them out to my daughter, Aubrey, as we see them.

01:48:41.520 Who's that? Oh, that's, you know, your great grandmother, so-and-so.

01:48:45.540 That's, you know, have something to say that way.

01:48:47.960 so you know little things like that um sometimes at a special time if I want to I will 0.99

01:48:58.520 honor them with a special food or a special drink that they like and as stupid and cheesy 0.98

01:49:05.840 as it may sound my grandpa and I spent a lot of time when I was a little kid 0.98

01:49:10.560 any of you who's ever been to Anchorage Alaska might know this there's a place called Arctic

01:49:19.980 Valley that's like a road up this mountainside where you get a really cool view over Anchorage

01:49:26.520 and uh it's a neat spot so we would just go up there we'd get um we'd get Whoppers and we'd go

01:49:35.820 eat Whoppers up there and just sit and look over the city and talk about

01:49:40.560 life and whatever you know a grandfather talks to his grandson about and so you know sometimes

01:49:47.460 I will it sounds cheesy but sometimes I'll you know as a way of honoring my grandfather I will

01:49:53.880 do that with a Whopper in my case I will usually do it with a double Whopper um

01:50:01.440 or stuff like my mom my mom was obsessed with Diet Coke I don't know why but that was like she 0.98

01:50:09.000 lived and she was fueled on Diet Coke for some reason so even something cheesy like that it

01:50:15.960 just connects it's something to connect over it was really really special um I interred my mom's

01:50:24.780 ashes at Sigurheim and it was really special to be there at Winter Nights because the way that

01:50:32.340 Githya Erikson arranged the circle

01:50:37.340 when we were doing our ceremony.

01:50:44.220 Apologize, I get a little bit emotional over it.

01:50:46.200 Winter Nights has always been at DeServe Lode

01:50:51.060 the most powerful thing to me.

01:50:52.620 Anyways, in this one last year,

01:50:56.220 she arranged it to where my mom's grave,

01:50:59.220 like her headstone was in the circle

01:51:02.340 So I could stand in the circle with my mom when we did the de-sear bloat.

01:51:12.080 And that was really special.

01:51:15.840 It's that been a while.

01:51:21.860 Finn Wraith asks, and I'll let you take this one, Trent.

01:51:25.360 Are the Anglo-Saxons Germanic or something else?

01:51:28.780 uh we are absolutely germanic uh west germanic specifically in uh cassidus's writing uh germania

01:51:39.560 when he mentions the uh ingaibones uh the angles and saxons are all part of that meaning

01:51:46.900 that we descend from uh lord fray is what it means but yes we're west germanic along with

01:51:55.060 the frisians the dutch um a lot of other german uh people in that area come near the north sea

01:52:03.620 and uh there's a dna paper that came out or the pre-print came out on scandinavian and germanic

01:52:10.420 dna and they have decided the anglo-saxons are not only west germanic but also south scandinavian

01:52:16.980 so i get to do some uh some scandinavian marping if i feel like it now but yeah uh we're germanic

01:52:25.060 Yeah, and I think, so I think Finn Wraith probably already knows this, but there may

01:52:36.940 be some listening to podcasts that don't know that.

01:52:44.220 And Trent, you can, so explain why are they called the Anglo-Saxons and where does that

01:52:51.400 come from?

01:52:53.400 Oh, it's kind of nuanced question at the end there, but they're called the Anglo-Saxons because the two biggest tribes that came from Germany, Denmark area to Britannia after the fallback of the Western Roman Empire were the Angles and the Saxons.

01:53:16.300 The Angles came from southern Denmark. The Saxons came from northern Germany and also southern Denmark.

01:53:25.720 The term Anglo-Saxons specifically was decided on because Saxons were the more plentiful of the two tribes in England once it had been established.

01:53:41.460 But during the Viking invasions, Alfred the Great and his successors wanted to sort of solidify the ethnic and cultural identity of the English people.

01:53:56.140 And so Anglo-Saxon was picked because it was it was saying so Saxon had pagan connotations, whereas Angle had Christian connotations because it sounds like angel.

01:54:08.860 not joking that's really why and uh so yeah i think it was pope gregory that came up with that but

01:54:19.100 anglo-saxon was chosen because alfred a west saxon was claiming dominion over the other

01:54:27.360 saxon lands as well as the ones that were said to be inhabited by angles like northumbria

01:54:32.600 and so he came up with the term anglo-saxon so it was acknowledging his also true forebears

01:54:40.560 and that heritage and his descent from the god odin but still saying hey we're christians

01:54:47.540 as opposed to the uh raiding danish vikings which by the way uh are

01:54:54.360 genetically the exact same thing as anglo-saxons for anybody that wants to do some scandinavian

01:55:01.540 larping what about the jutes

01:55:14.420 the jutes are just further north angles at at the end of the day really uh all of those groups

01:55:20.260 are just danes there are different kinds of danes so boring answer but a factual one

01:55:26.420 truth all right uh spawn asks what are your thoughts on theodish belief system

01:55:36.620 and its uh internal decline trent do you have thoughts on this

01:55:41.400 um so i found the afa first before anything when i got in the house of true and i didn't

01:55:49.320 know that i was anglo-saxon specifically i just knew i was white so i went to the afa as one

01:55:56.180 should uh i i can't say that if i had found theodism first which way i would have gone

01:56:04.620 but all that being said i don't really know too much about theodism other than it looks a little

01:56:09.740 larpy and that uh three very important leaders of ours come from that background who i greatly

01:56:16.580 respect uh gothi stam githya erickson and i think i'm pretty sure folk builder mike maleo also comes

01:56:24.040 from that and like i said i respect them all a lot but uh theodism looks really really silly to me

01:56:30.960 the uh phrygian cap thing uh is like a long running meme at this point i just can't really

01:56:41.160 take it serious i appreciate that they've studied so much about their craft but they kind of they

01:56:48.000 do that thing where they will take one of our ice here and try and sort of shoehorn them into

01:56:56.120 this uh anglo-saxon name that they kind of tried to reconstruct the guy that runs theodism on

01:57:03.180 instagram uh tried to tell me that your there's anglo-saxon name would have been uh hadingus

01:57:11.300 or something i i'm just gonna keep calling him your word i think it'll be all right

01:57:17.160 So that's, as for theodism's decline, I don't know. 0.93

01:57:20.360 I don't want to say they deserved it or anything.

01:57:22.120 I don't think they've been particularly hostile to the AFA,

01:57:25.160 but the AFA is also true.

01:57:28.060 And I know people get mad at me when I say that in Maroonstone articles,

01:57:31.720 apparently, but it's the truth.

01:57:33.240 And those people will have to get over it.

01:57:35.960 So who, who runs Instagram theodism?

01:57:40.500 uh i reckon it's either fridge and cap guy or one of the girls he makes hand them food i don't know

01:57:50.900 okay so it's like they're real what the leader of the okay so anyways um

01:58:05.460 pulling it together um

01:58:10.500 on paper theodism is really cool there's a lot of things that i like a lot about it conceptually

01:58:25.600 but as trent said it's real larpy and i don't think it always has to be and i don't presume

01:58:38.580 to be a huge expert on 1990s theodism he mentioned a number of our best people

01:58:49.780 came from a theodish background and i think that's cool i think a lot of their

01:58:57.460 source material is awesome their conceptualization about

01:59:03.860 about hierarchy about court etiquette about holoculture i think is really great

01:59:17.460 but i think the execution is poor and larpy um

01:59:23.860 um again so those of you who might not be familiar one of the competing currents in

01:59:34.960 also true at one time was uh failed theodism and I think there are you know as Trem mentioned

01:59:45.640 there are some some failed men on Instagram I think that's a relatively small number of people

01:59:53.260 this point in time um it's based around an anglo-saxon expression of house a true

02:00:08.140 and

02:00:12.540 i've got kind of two images of what that looks like

02:00:17.980 there's the guys in the capes and smurf hats

02:00:21.180 and I think that's the one that comes to mind often

02:00:25.740 I do say that a little bit to be funny but no honestly that's the same root as the smurf hat

02:00:35.160 and it's the same kind of hat that's the hat Trent was talking about and their people do that that's

02:00:41.660 how they dress up they dress up like that and so they very much are into reenactment in that way

02:00:49.020 the other thing is fat dudes in camp chairs fighting over the big piece of chicken and i said

02:00:59.020 that a lot like there is an obsession there with demanding to be treated as royalty 0.77

02:01:11.500 but royalty without a kingdom your kingdom is like five fat dudes and 0.77

02:01:19.020 maybe they're Wiccan chicks that are with them or not. 0.94

02:01:28.380 Again, not all of them. 1.00

02:01:29.700 The guy that I think is currently Papa Smurf

02:01:32.260 is not a fat guy, but it's form over function, I guess,

02:01:44.420 in a lot of ways.

02:01:45.260 I think a lot of their ideas are really cool,

02:01:47.180 but it's like let's LARP that we're offended over slight grievances and treating me with my regal

02:02:00.440 position like you moved the wrong way and handing me my piece of rotisserie chicken or whatever

02:02:08.420 instead of well no and I say this because I was talking to um one of our former theods went about

02:02:14.420 I get that I get the hierarchy I get wanting to have nobility I get wanting to

02:02:22.580 I get wanting to be a king I get ambition I don't fault any of those things

02:02:28.220 do you want to be a king because you want to wear a crown and get the choice like you need the

02:02:39.080 chicken breast or do you want to be a king because you command armies and men in the kingdom

02:02:48.040 and it's like no i just want people to treat me deferentially and give me the choice

02:02:57.240 you know cuts a rotisserie chicken or i get to finish off the mountain dude and it's not

02:03:09.080 i'm joking but not really i think those exact examples were a big part of a lot of people 0.76

02:03:21.320 who did that i know that i come off like a little bit of a jerk on that sometimes i realize that as

02:03:27.600 i say it but i had to because it tickles me and i also think it's true and and i say that as a guy

02:03:35.340 who my start in also true was very much sitting around i remember um in anchorage in mountain

02:03:42.700 view which was rough hood in anchorage keeping a gangster in mountain view with uh guys in the

02:03:50.780 backyard of their the closest thing i think anchorage has to projects literally we had this

02:03:59.580 pit that we were throwing broken furniture in to burn we're sitting in camp chairs and we're

02:04:06.140 literally eating rotisserie chicken and two liters of soda that we're passing around like that's

02:04:13.260 that's a place a lot of us started and i don't fault that if that's what you're doing right now

02:04:17.660 by all means go for it it's a lot of our roots in this but the difference is a lot of people start

02:04:24.300 from a humble beginning on things but you try to build and that's the idea of the kingdom it's not

02:04:31.340 about you sitting around and having everybody pamper you if you want to be a king you should

02:04:37.100 be about accomplishment and building and conquering and doing stuff and i don't think

02:04:44.540 that was embodied in a lot of the theodism that i've heard about or that i viewed um externally

02:04:53.660 again i think a lot of their core material is awesome i think the wovenings um wrote some

02:05:00.460 really good things that we still hearken to today the whole we are our deeds thing is a swaying

02:05:07.180 woven expression and i think that we have completely adopted that and made that a mantra

02:05:14.620 for us in alsatru and rightly so and i think that's fantastic um i've just seen a lot of the

02:05:23.500 time that it was people that it's my view especially in this day and age that leadership

02:05:32.060 isn't typically drawn through a dynasty or a bloodline that it's done through a meritocracy

02:05:37.580 But if you find yourself in that spot, it's your job to every day try to be worthy of your spot as opposed to sit in it and fester and like build a culture of trying to get other people to more eloquently or more expressively tell you how great you are.

02:06:02.920 It's better than that.

02:06:04.040 It's bigger than that.

02:06:05.100 And it's got to be bigger than that.

02:06:07.580 What I will say, the one interaction that I had with someone who I think is currently, I think he may be currently Papa Smurf.

02:06:26.420 Over on the side, people can correct me if I'm wrong.

02:06:30.560 But yeah, I think he's Papa Smurf.

02:06:33.540 uh he's a guy that um again wants to be called by a fake Anglo-Saxon name and it's a lot of

02:06:43.200 drama stuff with a guy named Thorberg um he was actually uh in front of me as folk

02:06:52.440 co-ordinator way back when in 2012 and he was extremely like petty and childish and kind of

02:07:04.380 threw a fit when Steve McNallan accidentally used his real name in an email instead of his pretend

02:07:12.780 name and it always left a taste in my mouth and I think that's some of what I react to

02:07:19.500 um but that's my experience with like i say we have some of our best people

02:07:24.960 came from that background and i think it's built on really really good ideas i just think the

02:07:32.860 execution as it was didn't live up to those ideas but i think there's a lot of really cool things

02:07:41.060 within those ideas um are there any books about the pre-christian pagan anglo-saxon religion

02:07:52.740 and their gods like we have uh the eddas for the norse trip uh the word answer is no um

02:08:02.100 this does remind me though i have actually read a couple books all the way through

02:08:05.620 about the anglo-saxons because i'm going to recommend one to you uh the elder gods by

02:08:11.060 stephen pollington is about the uh saxon names for the gods and the um some of their practices

02:08:19.780 and some of their views on things like the runes and magic um and the alfar and the the dwarves

02:08:26.980 and things like that uh it's they're not the eddas uh the saxons didn't have anything like that

02:08:34.260 unfortunately but uh it's it's the same as the ice here it's woden is odin uh thunora's thor etc

02:08:43.700 that being said it's still a really interesting read uh and again that's elder gods by stephen

02:08:48.340 fallington it's a little pricey um one of our deceased members uh terry rump who rump hall at

02:08:55.300 thor's office named after uh gifted me a copy of that before he passed so thankfully i did not have

02:09:01.620 have to pay for the book and i'm i'm thankful for that because it's like 80 last i checked

02:09:06.520 but it's a good read uh and it's stephen paulington's a good writer in general but that's

02:09:12.800 that's a great good night ops

02:09:15.800 um book that i really liked that i just got done with i didn't even know it existed and it's good

02:09:24.260 it's apropos that it comes at this time i think it um is something that the uh theods were really

02:09:31.140 big on that a lot of us may not have heard of was uh the cult of kingship in anglo-saxon england

02:09:38.260 it's a book from the 1970s and i thought that was really good

02:09:44.020 stephen polington has written some really good things he's

02:09:48.660 believe he is the foremost expert on the sutton who burial if not he's up there he's always an

02:09:57.300 expert they bring in on it he was at afa midsummer 2011 i want to say and he's written some really

02:10:07.060 good things his uh book on mead hall is really good about the anglo-saxon mead hall culture

02:10:14.580 that correlates a lot to kind of setting a backdrop for beowulf

02:10:20.580 he also wrote a book the english warrior that i read that's really interesting talks a little

02:10:31.920 bit about some of the animal cults of the early english warriors and war bands and how that

02:10:37.360 relates to continental house of true practice so i would recommend his stuff it is it is a little

02:10:46.060 bit pricey. All right. What do you think of the idea of Alcetur having spiritual names

02:10:59.820 separate from their legal names, perhaps written in rhythmic, similar to how dharmi's have

02:11:07.120 Sanskrit names? What are your thoughts, Trent? My thoughts are that dharmi's sounds like a

02:11:15.660 racial slur and it's making me giggle but outside of that uh i i don't know i'm not going to knock 1.00

02:11:23.620 anybody who does that it uh it was a big thing of 10 or 20 years ago you would do this profession

02:11:29.820 of faith and you would renounce um yahweh and the white christ and all this and that and you

02:11:36.760 would take on an awesome true name that you found in the lore that you could put together based on

02:11:41.120 the lore um and so i i say all this as someone with all three of my names being anglo-saxon or

02:11:49.960 at least non-biblical i i like my name uh i wouldn't want to change it but even if my name

02:11:57.360 were jesus muhammad abraham i i like to think i would still keep it and i would be the best

02:12:07.380 gothy abraham i could be uh because my parents gave me that name and they are our youngest

02:12:16.340 ancestors i suppose so that means something to me at least speaking for the astrofolks simply i'm

02:12:25.700 glad that you are not named Jothi Abraham. So I will not knock anybody who has a spiritual

02:12:44.160 name who is over over 50 um as trent said there there was a phase in uh modern ouster true where

02:13:07.840 that was a thing and all right

02:13:15.040 when one of ours and i okay so i'm on here with trent who is one of my close one of my closest

02:13:23.920 friends and so i'm on with trent i'm drinking some 9.9 percent beer hug uh walmart beers

02:13:36.480 and i'm getting a little loose having fun but this is very serious and i i don't want to be

02:13:42.560 disrespectful more so than necessary when we look at one of ours who renounced their hebrew name

02:13:55.280 and chose a uh announced a true name typically a viking period name 0.74

02:14:04.080 it seems larpy and silly and we snicker and whatever

02:14:07.600 However, if none of us, and this is something to think about on a lot of levels, and I'm

02:14:16.940 just going to kind of leave it where it is without a whole lot of analysis.

02:14:22.760 I'll tell the story too.

02:14:24.020 so okay there is the exact same reason that we do that that members of the nation of islam

02:14:38.900 renounce their slave name and take a afrocentric or islamic name

02:14:49.140 when you see that you don't have that reaction

02:14:54.580 and i wonder why and i think that we should challenge ourselves to

02:14:58.100 ask ourselves why because i think it's beneficial to us in our growth if you went up to

02:15:10.020 old timer today

02:15:14.500 who looks kind of larpy and has named themselves ragnar but they were born

02:15:20.660 isaac whatever

02:15:24.780 you might think it's silly

02:15:28.780 if you show up

02:15:34.260 if you show up anywhere and you see a tall 1.00

02:15:42.200 fit swole looking black dude 1.00

02:15:46.380 dressed in a suit and a bow tie and he calls himself 0.84

02:15:50.140 you know malik shabazz i don't think you're gonna see him as larpy i don't think you're gonna say

02:15:58.380 anything uh except for yes sir uh and we should think of why that is some of that's

02:16:08.060 how seriously we take ourselves or how seriously we don't but the root is exactly the same

02:16:14.940 thing and it's worth thinking about if that's legitimate for them it's legitimate for us

02:16:27.180 and if they don't do that similar reasons that we might not do that

02:16:34.860 um because both are attempts to cast off the monoculture of

02:16:41.340 christianity to embrace what we feel is our ethnic heritage now i think that's a little

02:16:49.280 bit misguided i think that islam is not the native faith of sub-saharan african people i think that

02:16:57.240 that's a uh a paganism based on their own tribal gods but that's up to them to determine their

02:17:05.560 destinies on it but it's the same principle applies and it's worth thinking about um you

02:17:12.040 know i thought about that before and not necessarily taken on some kind of viking larpy name but you

02:17:20.260 know my name's matthew it's absolutely a biblical name it's i i'm literally named after the apostle

02:17:27.840 Matthew uh the the writer of the gospel of one of the four gospels um my name my name means a gift

02:17:37.760 from Jehovah I wish that weren't the case um my father's name is Gerald his father's name was

02:17:50.260 Gerald his father's name was Harold really wish I was Gerald III but that was not to be

02:17:57.640 um but I get it but as Trent said I really do agree with this no my mom and dad gave me a name

02:18:08.380 and I respect that this is who I am one thing that I was taught by so far the only AFA Goethe

02:18:19.420 that has died in office uh go through david james and i met him i got to meet him uh twice and

02:18:33.260 first time i met him he you know he's a very old man at that point in ill health but he gave a

02:18:39.980 presentation on our ancestral naming practices and what he mentioned that you can do if you

02:18:49.340 if you wanted to name a,

02:18:55.980 so like if you wanted to name,

02:19:00.040 all right, if somebody wanted to name somebody after me,

02:19:02.040 but they didn't want to give them a Hebrew name,

02:19:05.860 translating the meaning of that name

02:19:09.120 into one of our native languages

02:19:15.220 would be an approximation.

02:19:17.120 So if you wanted to name somebody after someone named Matthew, maybe instead of gift from God, it would be, you know, gift from Odin or gift from Tyr.

02:19:30.940 Again, my Old Norse fails me, but I'm working on it on the Memrise.

02:19:36.700 But you would come up with what that is, and that would be a way of carrying on that naming tradition.

02:19:44.960 Now, I was lucky, you know, I thought, and this is something that comes into mind.

02:19:50.040 It is very traditional for our folk to name our children after someone we have respect for in our family line.

02:19:58.760 And sometimes that's challenging if you've got a lot of ancestors that have biblical names.

02:20:03.040 um a number of reasons that I wanted to name my daughter Aubrey but one of the really good ones

02:20:11.800 was it it's a Germanic slash Celtic name that means you know elf ruler and it oscillates

02:20:22.300 generationally on whether it's popular for for girls or boys it's a strange name that way but

02:20:29.260 and at least it goes back to one of our languages so I was you know excited to do that but that's

02:20:38.920 I don't know that's that's my thoughts on it don't look down on it not and I'm thinking

02:20:44.800 a lot of people who do that if you're going to do that you've got to own it so I would say this

02:20:52.480 if you want me to take you seriously and you want to take your you know claim your Viking name and 0.61

02:20:58.780 cast off your slave name whatever get it legally changed and that's legit you've invested you've

02:21:07.240 made it real if you're Ivar on the weekends and you go to work and you're Steve then you're Steve

02:21:19.240 if you're Ivar on the weekends and you pay the money and you go to the courthouse and you're

02:21:24.160 Ivar all the time, then I'll call you Ivar with straight face. It's about owning it and making

02:21:32.020 it a real thing and not just a pretend thing on the weekends. I'm thinking of it and off the top

02:21:40.620 of my head, I know two people right now that have done that and announced a true name because that

02:21:49.140 the custom way back when have been first of all involved with our faith for decades to where that

02:21:56.260 was the culture when they got involved and have maintained it and i respect that i don't even

02:22:02.660 consider them by whatever their birth name was like it's odd when i see that in print somewhere

02:22:08.900 because they are that to me because they've made their real thing not just a silly thing they do

02:22:14.580 let me dress up. Trent, your wife asks, Trent, who is your favorite king and why? She did not

02:22:27.060 specify what nation that king might have to be from. Sorry, anybody who knows me knows what

02:22:32.660 nation it's going to be. I said Henry V earlier because I was kind of sticking with the Anglo-Norman

02:22:40.420 uh angle of the question no pun intended uh from rob earlier but if talking all time it's

02:22:48.680 gonna be harold goblinson and uh i i say that because you can kind of read about how when

02:22:56.960 edward the confessor as he was passing away he had promised the uh throne to three or four

02:23:03.960 different people because he sucked uh one of which was king william the first uh and the other

02:23:12.160 was harold godwinson but harold godwinson was there at his deathbed and so edward said well 0.93

02:23:18.380 you know you're here so you be king and so harold said okay the king said i'm the king so i'm the

02:23:23.340 king and uh he uh in his short time on the throne he accomplished a lot he kind of squared away the

02:23:33.440 military and put a lot of things back into a good state of being and i know we were talking about oh

02:23:39.740 well harold hardrada and harold godwinson and william the conqueror all fought and william came

02:23:45.600 out on top and he did he did but it's really really worth noting that it's like that uh that

02:23:53.140 theodore roosevelt quote about the man in the arena harold godwinson really really exemplifies

02:23:58.780 that for me outside of, you know, people in the AFA that I could think of. Because, you know,

02:24:06.560 as soon as his kingdom was threatened, you know, where all of the other nobles had gotten all

02:24:11.480 decadent and weak and limp wristed, he did not. He immediately got on a horse, grabbed his sword

02:24:18.160 and his, you know, badass Danax, excuse my language. And he took his Huskarls and a bunch 0.98

02:24:24.100 of fear has been with him and marched north at uh i don't remember the exact distance in time but if

02:24:29.200 you look it up it was inhuman how hard he pushed those men and how hard those men were willing to

02:24:34.780 go for him to go fight off harold hardrada and yeah since we're just sharing stories and killing

02:24:41.880 time here i'm going to share a quote too so when he met harold hardrada uh at the you know right

02:24:48.400 before the battle at stamford bridge um i know where you're going yeah it's a good one harold

02:24:54.780 godwinson kind of rides up and uh his brother tostig had sided with harold hardrada in this

02:25:00.300 uh attempted takeover of england and uh harold was like you know come on man if you drop this

02:25:08.420 i'll let you have your lands in northumbria we can just go back to the way it was we can be

02:25:12.840 brothers again and uh he said well what about my friend harold hardrada and harold godwinson's

02:25:19.240 demeanor changed and he said he can have six feet of english soil or however much it takes to bury

02:25:24.540 him because he's a tall fella and wrote off and harold hardrada was like whoa that guy's awesome

02:25:29.500 who is that and tossing had to be like oh it's my big brother so and they handily defeated harold

02:25:38.620 i respect him a lot too about as much as i do william the conqueror but no harold godwinson

02:25:44.700 i think about him i i almost tear up a little he's he's one of my uh historical heroes and yeah

02:25:51.900 he lost william but he was fighting on two fronts that's not entirely fair

02:25:58.140 he raced all the way up there and then all the way back down to haystings

02:26:02.860 catch an arrow in the eye that's uh no he was actually he was uh charged by three different

02:26:12.280 knights uh near the end of the battle william's forces kept going up that hill and then you know

02:26:18.380 they were feigning retreat and they'd come back down and attack and they had cavalry and the

02:26:22.040 saxons didn't for the most part what uh people agree actually happened nowadays is that really

02:26:28.620 there was just an opening and William said, Hey, there's Harold, get him.

02:26:33.260 And three nights just charged into him and took him out. So not nearly as

02:26:37.580 poetic. I seen the tapestry.

02:26:41.660 Yeah. The Norman propaganda. I seen it.

02:26:50.480 Okay.

02:26:51.040 anyone who has not read the book the perfect king it's been a couple of years so i'm trying

02:27:06.040 to remember the author right now but i want to i just want to throw this out there because it

02:27:12.000 was awesome and i did not know much about this person at all until i read the book but it was

02:27:19.920 really cool and i it sold me he is my favorite king uh hands down at this point um but about

02:27:29.760 uh edward the third and i think it's really cool i'm trying to look it up uh

02:27:43.360 because i um

02:27:44.320 And I know that Trent, you kids these days, as you said, you just look up stuff on Wikipedia and you don't read books, but if you deign to read a book, and I joke, because I did not actually physically purchase the book because I like it, but I listened to it on Audible.

02:28:07.400 So I suppose that pokes holes in my argument.

02:28:13.420 But by Ian Mortimer, The Perfect King, about Edward III, it was awesome.

02:28:21.260 I really, really liked that.

02:28:23.260 Also, Edward I is really, really cool if we're going on the English Kings for a number of

02:28:30.420 different reasons.

02:28:31.220 uh Bodhi asks again one of the gentlemen who who took an ounce of true name that I don't

02:28:42.020 think of him by his government name because I've always known him as Bodhi and he always

02:28:48.440 just occurs to me that that's his name uh go the east why is the best English king Pinda

02:28:56.480 first Bodhi is mistaken but go ahead yes unfortunately Bodhi you are mistaken Penda 0.96

02:29:05.260 was cool but something I take issue with is that he was also true and uh he just let Christianity

02:29:12.680 surround him when the Christian monks came in and were like oh Mr. Penda sir can we can we preach

02:29:17.860 this gay stuff in your city he was like oh yeah whatever man I you know but he said it in old

02:29:23.200 english i guess the point being uh he's not the best king i um in my more left-leaning days i 0.99

02:29:31.520 would have maybe thought that was the best approach but kind of looking at an exploded

02:29:37.620 view sort of of history and its consequences he had weakness in the one spot he shouldn't have

02:29:44.400 even if he was strong everywhere else and again harold godwinson's the best or edward the first

02:29:49.920 henry the fifth not panda um didn't panda also have a jesus altar by his house true altar

02:30:02.000 no that was king redwald of uh my homeland east anglia copy that

02:30:11.040 i um

02:30:19.920 Okay, from Michael from Nortoff, ever heard of crinoids?

02:30:28.720 Crinoids?

02:30:31.560 By my mispronunciation, I have not ever heard of that.

02:30:35.920 Trent, have you ever heard of that?

02:30:43.600 Look at Trent's confounded face.

02:30:49.920 i was muted sorry what question was that uh uh crinoids crinoids have you ever heard of

02:30:59.640 no spell that what is that uh nick should spell that by putting questions

02:31:08.260 oh hold on never mind never mind i'm looking at the wrong thing that is in the in the comments

02:31:13.860 and not at the questions i digress uh my poor management of my tech here i'm sorry yes

02:31:21.260 um never mind although i have not heard of that so now i'm gonna have to look at it because i'm

02:31:30.180 just curious so also as weird would have it also from michael from york's off i'll tell you what

02:31:38.300 colors are best considered appropriate for mayday celebrations i'm purchasing my outfit this week

02:31:45.420 and i'm in need of inspiration uh-huh it's a really good question and i think it depends

02:31:53.180 and you could probably go different ways typically mayday

02:31:59.100 celebrations are aimed at or focus around frayer

02:32:11.940 very often green is associated with frayer he's got a fecundity and the outpouring of

02:32:22.140 green at springtime is kind of a thing but I think there's a lot of routes you can go there

02:32:27.660 it's a spring deal so i think you know pastels and spring colors are certainly appropriate

02:32:34.700 i think bold reds with that are also virile and appropriate

02:32:42.940 fray is a god of abundance much like his father that you guys that we all worship but you guys

02:32:49.180 particularly worship at nordshoff there i think gold is always an appropriate um color i think

02:32:56.220 grain and gold works but if that's too clashy with you know the hoffs green and gold there and your

02:33:11.580 goes like gold and red that's just my suggestion i think there's a lot of right ways you can go there

02:33:17.740 but i think male virility um the male the maypole is is obviously a phallic symbol

02:33:26.220 and so i think that that idea of fecundity abundance male virility factoring into what

02:33:35.340 you wear would be cool i think especially if you're wearing something pastel if you're wearing

02:33:40.780 like a pastel green and you pop it with like a bold red tie i think that's a good way to go

02:33:49.260 that's i'm gonna go with that as a recommendation

02:33:51.340 matter of fact if i was attending it with you that's what i would wear

02:33:57.340 matt and trent from the wolf throne when you first became ausitry did you ever personally

02:34:07.960 go through a viking bro in quotation marks phase or did you skip that part trent what say you

02:34:15.820 uh sort of i immediately was not a fan of the brosa true stuff but i was pretty obsessed with

02:34:25.080 the vikings i still like the vikings uh so my ancestors from east anglia uh that was part of

02:34:32.540 what's called the dane law and that was where danish vikings brought their families and just

02:34:37.620 of never left uh my haplogroup is found very infrequently but equally infrequently in both

02:34:48.020 germany and scandinavia and so i can't tell if my earliest english ancestor was saxon or dane

02:34:55.380 and so i often kind of just throw in some danish stuff into my personal practice because

02:35:01.780 it's old norse anyway so it's in fitting with afa custom and it's you know it is also true

02:35:08.900 no vikings are cool there's nothing wrong with uh you know liking that stuff it's when you start

02:35:14.020 larping it becomes a problem uh but to answer the original question i never fully left the viking

02:35:20.500 fanboy phase really i just i focus on different parts of my heritage to emphasize

02:35:25.860 Depend on how I'm feeling that week or whatever.

02:35:33.640 Yeah, I suppose.

02:35:41.060 But I don't know.

02:35:45.440 I don't know how hard that goes.

02:35:47.920 like i've seen that you know when the dudes get the ragnar haircut and oh yeah go through a whole

02:35:55.920 thing or play dress up or a lot of different stuff um when i found out and some of it has to do with

02:36:04.480 age um when i came home to house of true trying to math here i apologize about 20 um 0.95

02:36:17.920 um a little bit I mean I think at that time certainly Vikings and you know barbarians for

02:36:28.900 lack of a better term we're at kind of the forefront of some of my thoughts then I think I

02:36:38.260 focused a lot on idealizing that time in history as if that was like the real

02:36:44.620 to true was you know the viking age or something um

02:36:54.780 i mean there was a little bit of that i don't i never did never did like viking dress up things

02:37:03.580 but i think i did

02:37:05.020 It's subtle, so I don't know how to say it in a way that's really digestible here.

02:37:18.080 Yeah, my conception was much more limited.

02:37:20.480 I had more blinders on historically as to what that period looked like.

02:37:25.320 At that time in my life, I think I emphasized more of a warrior focus than a holistic community focus.

02:37:43.840 But then I was a single guy and I was alone.

02:37:47.040 um that was the same time that I was evolving from being like a nerd in high school but not

02:37:59.280 even really because nerds had like nerd friends and nerd like goth chick girlfriends or whatever

02:38:05.520 and I was just a loser I think saying a nerd is uh is giving myself more credit I had two dudes

02:38:13.500 that were my friends and I'd never been on a date. 0.99

02:38:17.640 I had no idea how to interact with women. 1.00

02:38:20.700 I was a mess coming out of high school. 1.00

02:38:24.000 So I took on a whole bunch of things.

02:38:27.260 One of them was rejecting the incel-ness 0.82

02:38:33.460 and a feat-ness of Christianity.

02:38:37.700 Another was looking at how I idealized myself,

02:38:42.700 myself, the guys that were like role models to me, intellectually, and the difference

02:38:49.180 between them and myself. So I had all these big, larger than life 80s, action hero role

02:38:55.700 models, like Arnold, and it's sad what's become of him, like Stallone, like the Hulk Hogan

02:39:04.040 and his people. And I was this like, frail, nothing, sat in my house, not participating

02:39:11.320 in life so i went out there a couple of things around this time 2021 when i first got involved

02:39:19.320 i started going to the gym i started working out

02:39:24.680 doing what i could to get in shape do something with myself i fought at thursday night fights

02:39:33.800 on a dare so i could see what that was like to be a man in a fight that taught me a lot

02:39:39.080 about myself it was around that time that i started trying to get involved with um with

02:39:45.720 bouncing and i picked the roughest place threw myself in there was going to bounce there

02:39:51.000 i tried to radically evolve who i was into who i wanted to be and part of that i think was

02:39:58.120 embracing a little bit of that that biking mentality a little bit but i don't think it

02:40:04.040 ever got silly but again like a lot of young people i was headstrong i remember one of my

02:40:08.200 first afa interactions was on whatever message board or email group or whatever we were doing 0.94

02:40:15.720 i got in an argument with sheila mcnalen about something stupid i think it was about a charles

02:40:23.880 linbergh quote and again i got all out of my place and like i'm gonna argue with sheila about 0.63

02:40:31.560 something and it was really stupid and i'm glad that uh glad that she either doesn't remember

02:40:38.360 that or didn't hold it against me um but yeah i don't i i never really got into the dress up

02:40:46.040 thing or the viking lark thing hard that was never really something that i did

02:40:52.200 in reality whereas i think mentally i probably placed more prominence on that than i should have

02:41:01.560 I, uh, before you start the next question, I guess I had a really similar experience getting right out of high school and yeah, I joined the army rather than going and fighting at a local thing, I guess. We didn't really have that in 2015 anymore, but yeah, real similar situation.

02:41:18.460 All right. So the next question I'm kind of confused by from Bronlock. Why do we not

02:41:38.700 explore the genetic side of things anymore trip why don't we explore the genetic side of things

02:41:48.220 anymore uh i don't know what you mean by we but i can take a stab at why uh because

02:41:55.180 well you know uh the afa is pan-arian of course and we are pan-arian because all white people

02:42:03.280 are white people and so for a lot of us that's good enough and i'm fine with that i get why

02:42:09.820 they feel that way it is good enough but uh who's they yeah they or we i don't know but

02:42:17.420 um that's just my guess that what you're talking about is you know nobody i guess some people

02:42:24.860 don't talk enough about genetics for your liking i don't know uh i could talk about genetics all

02:42:32.880 day every day as long as it's northwestern and northeastern maybe european why don't you stick

02:42:40.160 with him like a certain space at least uh so yeah i don't i don't quite understand the question but

02:42:46.480 i hope that helps answer it so seeing a little bit of um this is a brown lock um

02:42:56.480 seeing a little bit of what you've posted in the chat room i'm under the impression

02:43:02.880 that you're not an AFA member and that you're kind of new or new to the audience or certainly

02:43:11.520 the first time I've seen you here so I'm not sure where you're coming from with the question I don't

02:43:17.280 say that with any other intent then I'm trying to I'm trying to answer what I think you're asking

02:43:25.440 because we do um in the AFA we got a whole group to genealogy and a whole lot of people

02:43:33.840 you know run their genetics on the different companies that do that and chart ancestry and

02:43:39.840 we've got a lot of people that are really into that so i don't think it's something that we don't do

02:43:48.640 i have to interpret it like trent did so that's how i'm going to kind of answer it and if there's

02:43:54.640 more questions i'm happy to clarify um if i don't get to it or get to what you're asking

02:44:02.880 there is a tendency of reductionism when you start getting into that and some people have a

02:44:14.880 need to break our folk down into smaller and smaller and smaller groups of commonality

02:44:23.700 and there's a point where you have to recognize us and not us when that point starts to become

02:44:34.380 smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller it makes all of us less and less and less and less

02:44:42.300 relevant so the afa makes that as broad as is reasonable while recognizing

02:44:53.660 difference so if there's cultural community differences in parts of the country

02:45:02.220 in certainly in different countries around the world that's beautiful that's awesome

02:45:08.460 but there's a difference between white people and not white people

02:45:12.300 and that's kind of where we keep it to um we are Pan-Aryan in that way because we recognize the

02:45:22.740 broad commonality that that is and the more specific to small pockets

02:45:33.840 while it's cool and we certainly do respect that we are all part of a folk a common racial

02:45:42.120 group of people that has that point of commonality and religiously our gods all are the same gods

02:45:50.660 from that root the further out you get we develop difference in names and stories

02:45:59.100 but that root has to be the same by any fair um logical extension these are the gods that

02:46:08.200 created our people and have been with them since the beginning the linguistics bear that out

02:46:16.920 so to be to be if we i say if we since we know that our gods are real and exist

02:46:29.320 then we have to track them realistically historically

02:46:34.680 and that doesn't mean that every time we change language or location a new batch of gods is

02:46:42.660 is spawned that's not logical and it doesn't make sense the gods of our folk have been the gods of

02:46:50.000 our folk since our folk existed we may know them by different names we may know different stories

02:46:58.380 to help us relate to them depending on where we developed or were isolated into or a particular

02:47:06.940 relationship that our ancestors built with the gods due to their circumstance or their time

02:47:13.980 but the gods themselves haven't changed our understanding of them has evolved in different

02:47:19.660 ways in different places i hope that addresses what you're asking and if not like i said i'm

02:47:25.180 I'm happy to answer more questions

02:47:27.460 if there needs to be clarification.

02:47:31.140 Owl of Omens asks,

02:47:33.560 are all the heroes martyrs in a way?

02:47:37.680 Why is it important to honor them?

02:47:40.880 Trent, what are your thoughts?

02:47:44.060 I wouldn't say that they're all martyrs.

02:47:50.660 A lot of them are, of course,

02:47:52.900 thanks to Olaf Trigvason, as I mentioned earlier.

02:47:56.880 Why is it important to honor them?

02:47:58.560 Because we are our deeds, right?

02:48:01.340 And the greater the deed, the more it deserves to be honored, I think.

02:48:06.360 And, you know, if you were going to honor your aunt,

02:48:09.360 like I mentioned my granny East, 0.99

02:48:11.600 I honor her just for being a silly Southern Baptist woman 0.97

02:48:15.720 who was really nice to her goofy little great grandson, you know. 0.99

02:48:20.440 and you know obviously

02:48:22.580 Ralph the Strong dying

02:48:24.280 for the ice here is a

02:48:26.160 greater deed than just being a really nice 0.81

02:48:28.540 granny 0.97

02:48:29.340 but that's why 0.92

02:48:32.440 he's a hero and you know

02:48:34.200 she's not if that makes sense

02:48:36.440 it

02:48:37.320 these people deserve to be

02:48:40.440 remembered because they stood up

02:48:42.380 for our gods and

02:48:44.040 for us

02:48:44.880 I don't really have like

02:48:48.460 a super poetic way to answer that no that's fine and uh hammer and vajra is all up in our comments

02:49:02.940 appreciate that i'm glad you're here welcome here i like what you do

02:49:06.460 and i like reading what you post um so welcome and we're glad you're joining us tonight um

02:49:18.460 um so I'm trying to think no

02:49:29.260 I'm going through them in my head so that I don't um

02:49:34.460 no they weren't all martyred I think there is a way to

02:49:41.980 portray many of them in that way certainly quite a bit of them were especially the the very early

02:49:54.820 ones um but no you don't have to

02:50:03.640 it's not

02:50:04.360 right and I and we're using the term Margaret here in the spirit of the question

02:50:11.620 uh with no other implications to it in order to be a hero one doesn't have to

02:50:19.180 like be killed as a result of their faith and also true although many of them were especially

02:50:28.480 of the ones that were honored in the very first round of the people that were mentioned and rightly 0.96

02:50:35.520 so if you're giving your life for our gods then we should be you know giving you a place place

02:50:43.120 of prominence absolutely um you said in a way and i suppose in a way a lot of them were so there's

02:50:54.960 there's a cost i mentioned this earlier and the way you asked the question puts it

02:51:01.440 perhaps a little bit more succinctly than i did um

02:51:08.560 because i talked about it there's a lot of people who happened to be also true and were heroes and

02:51:13.520 did awesome things the ones that we are honoring so far are the ones that have done it in opposition

02:51:22.320 to christianity or to an outside force that sought to

02:51:29.920 shake them from it i think the only one we honor that wasn't doing that overtly

02:51:38.000 is herman because it was a another group of arian pagans that he battled against

02:51:48.320 i think he is the only one that that wasn't the case um but the idea is that they did their heroism

02:52:03.180 at with consequence in the balance like one thing that one thing that you'll notice

02:52:14.900 if all of a sudden tomorrow also true was the dominant religion in white America

02:52:27.440 then a lot of purple hair green hair 0.70

02:52:33.320 transgender fluid furry whatever the thing is all of a sudden those people would be focused house

02:52:42.200 you are um there's a thing where it's really easy to go with what's accepted and what society

02:52:51.320 celebrates and what there is a clear social benefit in doing one of the things that separated

02:53:01.800 all of our heroes is they went against the current of what was popular or what would have

02:53:08.680 have materially benefited them in the short run in order to do the right thing and stand

02:53:15.160 loyal to our gods and that elevates their heroism to something to be celebrated throughout the ages

02:53:23.620 and that's why it's important to celebrate them you asked why it's important to celebrate them

02:53:29.140 and for one it's important to celebrate them because they're an example for us to gain strength

02:53:36.460 from to look upon to teach our children about to aspire to but secondly as I've said earlier

02:53:49.900 our folk are eternal our gods are eternal

02:53:55.580 beyond time and space we are their folk and we owe them that if they are willing to

02:54:05.420 stand sometimes to their death if not to devote their lives to bringing our folk back in line

02:54:15.020 or more in line with the iser we owe them remembering them speaking their names celebrating

02:54:25.340 them and honoring them and that bond is timeless it doesn't matter if they died yesterday or a

02:54:33.340 thousand years ago we owe them that and that's our duty is to remember whatever one of our folk

02:54:40.940 paths you may notice when i make a a full uh a uh when i acknowledge an afa member that dies

02:54:51.660 and last week on the program we honored nix because she passed away unfortunately far too young

02:54:58.300 I always mention that the folk remember because it's our job as the living to remember and to

02:55:06.940 speak of those who've passed so to the best of our ability we keep their name alive in Midgard

02:55:14.920 and I think that that's really important on a fundamental level

02:55:22.060 and I think that rings true and I think we all know it even though some of us you know we could

02:55:27.460 do better at it um okay trent from the wolf throne what does fafnir represent

02:55:42.980 uh the short answer is greed uh a longer answer can be found on i think it was the beowulf

02:55:50.180 the final beowulf episode that uh the ulterior gothe did with witten facet but uh

02:55:56.100 uh yeah greed so there was and and i'm getting it from that vns episode so

02:56:04.260 there's the idea kind of that fafnir hoarded all this treasure and stuff for

02:56:13.360 so long that greed as a as a thing just sort of became his entire personality and purpose

02:56:21.880 and it turned him into this you know big vile miserly creature and i'm i'm not one for saying

02:56:32.320 that all the stories are just metaphors or things like that but you could acknowledge that something

02:56:37.440 actually happened but is also a good metaphor and i think that's you know i think there's some truth

02:56:45.020 to the fafnir story but even with truth to it you could you know see the parallels between

02:56:52.260 that or just someone being so focused on being greedy and money hungry that you you know you

02:56:58.980 lose ties to all your friends and family and the things that matter and the you chase the profane

02:57:05.860 rather than the sacred so much that you yourself become nothing but profane but again greed is the

02:57:12.720 short answer all right so what Trent said and not joking not tongue-in-cheek this time he really

02:57:21.080 well done Trent no that was the perfect answer I'm not even going to mess with it that was perfect

02:57:32.640 um reading over on the side I got a clarification a little bit from Bron about his question and one

02:57:42.500 the things and i want to mention it here even if and i'm glad that my answer was was okay um

02:57:50.260 but he talked about he read some of stephen mcnowen's earlier writings and he was asking

02:57:55.380 a little bit about the genetic connection one of the things some people who are listening to this

02:58:00.020 may not be familiar with and if you're not again i'm not trying to hawk a product but we do sell

02:58:08.260 something called um it's a little pamphlet book uh the philosophy of metagenetics

02:58:16.660 and it talks about this concept that steve

02:58:20.900 coined but it's become kind of understood um and it's based around the idea of genetic memory

02:58:29.140 so one of the the fundamentals in austria is metagenetics and it's the idea that we are

02:58:36.180 that like on a fundamental genetic level we are connected with our ancestors and with our gods

02:58:44.100 and that even in a vacuum if nothing else and i believe this really strongly

02:58:48.820 we rely heavily on our lore we are very blessed that we have it

02:58:54.900 if we didn't if one of our folk one of our sons and daughters were in some kind of cryopod

02:59:01.940 and woke up on a distant planet in a distant solar system

02:59:09.460 they have also true in their bones and blood in their very essence of who they are they may

02:59:18.420 learn to call our gods by different names over time they may develop different stories

02:59:25.140 but their connection with our folk soul and with our gods is written in the very essence

02:59:34.100 of who they are genetically and we pass that down and it connects us to our most ancient ancestors

02:59:42.020 it connects us back to ask and embla back to that very beginning when

02:59:46.980 and Odenvillian they imbued us with what it took to make us Aryan folk

02:59:57.960 and the idea that that's written in our genetic code is fundamental to folk religion

03:00:05.520 inherently and that's a really important thing and I think it's something that maybe

03:00:12.120 newer people to this don't hear about enough or aren't familiar with excuse me

03:00:24.280 um

03:00:27.960 how did you guys celebrate mayday trip uh so i'm sure you mean specifically how does the af well

03:00:37.320 maybe you mean how did we specifically celebrate mayday how did trent east personally celebrate

03:00:44.520 uh so mayday actual mayday may the first is uh my wedding anniversary so um it was a work day

03:00:53.880 too though so i i went to work first uh probably did afa stuff on my phone at work while i was

03:01:00.760 was supposed to be working, came home, and I did a bloat to kind of all of the Iseer and just named

03:01:08.980 them and thanked them one by one for the various things and thanked them for continuing to give us

03:01:14.600 those things. I don't know if everybody else, every time you do bloat, you ask for something

03:01:20.540 every time, and I'm certainly not against prayer in that way, but sometimes I just am doing well

03:01:26.480 enough, I don't have anything to ask for. And so I just thank the Aesir for things they've already

03:01:31.360 done and will likely continue to do. And then I just, you know, I just do a bloat like that. 0.59

03:01:37.600 So I did that and something cool that happened too, I guess I'll go ahead and share.

03:01:41.320 The last one I thanked was Lord Frey because it is May Day. And, you know, I thanked him for the

03:01:47.860 good green earth and the rains that keep it fertile. And as I said that out of nowhere,

03:01:53.360 there was a rain shower like right where i was standing and just in my little area and uh it

03:01:59.120 stopped as soon as i poured out the last of the uh the gifts in the mead bowl so that was really

03:02:04.240 really cool uh you know i'm a skeptic with pretty much everything but alsa true and i i consider

03:02:11.200 that a sign that my bloat was at least witnessed to some degree so that was neat uh as far as what

03:02:19.280 the hoffs are going to do for mayday um at njordshoff we're gonna have a bloat to fray led

03:02:27.040 by folk builder mike joiner who is a gothi student and uh after that we'll go outside and dance around

03:02:35.040 the maypole just like you see in all the old-timey pictures uh and part of the reason we do that is

03:02:43.520 because like the ulterior gothi mentioned it's clearly a phallic symbol it represents fertility

03:02:47.760 but while i'm explaining the holy tide i guess uh i i've talked a lot in person at events or on

03:02:55.580 calls or whatever that some of you members may have been on about how the holy tides are seasonal

03:03:01.800 and uh you know midsummer and midwinter or yule are the biggest two right they're the

03:03:07.200 highest high and lowest low respectively as far as temperature and attitude kind of

03:03:13.340 Well, midsummer is next month in June where it's, I don't want to call it a celebration altogether necessarily.

03:03:21.100 We do ask, you know, Balder for gifts and whatnot, but it is the height of summer to our ancestors.

03:03:28.420 It was the best time of year. It was, everything was going good.

03:03:31.860 The dark times wouldn't, you know, the winter wouldn't be in for a few months, et cetera.

03:03:35.920 So May Day is right before that.

03:03:37.640 So we, we get a little jovial with it and we celebrate by dancing around the Maypole.

03:03:41.720 And it looks really silly, but it's a lot of fun.

03:03:47.720 Yeah.

03:03:49.620 So Trent did better than I did.

03:03:52.580 I have yet to celebrate May Day.

03:03:58.200 One of the things, because we have the tremendous good fortune of having Hoffs now,

03:04:04.880 um i'm going to be celebrating mayday on i'm looking at the calendar here but you know

03:04:13.980 usually we do it on the third weekend so on the 18th is when i'm going to be celebrating mayday

03:04:19.620 that's when we're going to celebrate it at odenshoff which is my closest hoff

03:04:25.440 and I am looking forward to that.

03:04:28.820 It is one of the most just fun celebrating times for our folk.

03:04:36.880 I've always had a really good time with it.

03:04:42.540 Sometimes people get in their head really complex on how to do it

03:04:46.240 and how to do the little dance and how to weave the right thing

03:04:50.000 around the maypole with the ribbons.

03:04:52.140 And honestly, it's just fun to get out there with your folk, to dance around the pole, to weave in and out with the ribbons, to see the ritual that you're all engaged in, making a really cool pattern in this woven ribbon around the maypole.

03:05:15.880 It's a really fun time.

03:05:17.780 some of uh some of the most say that so i mentioned earlier that winter nights in the

03:05:25.060 dc earbloat are some of the most like deeply moving rituals i've been part of

03:05:32.740 dance around the maypole some of the most fun that i've had just genuinely celebrating fun

03:05:39.460 and summer and our folk being together and all of those things and i think that's really a special

03:05:47.380 time so i'm looking forward to that the ladies cut and prepared ribbons for it um at the pergusnacht

03:05:56.900 last month and we're going to celebrate that then why not on may 1st you may ask well because it's

03:06:04.180 hard to get a time all together where everybody can do stuff and so for a long time in house of

03:06:10.660 true hexanoct and mayday were kind of you either did one or you did the other and you either had

03:06:19.380 a late april event or an early may event and either way one thing was forgotten and one thing

03:06:28.180 kind of went without because they're not so specific on a uh astronomical event like a solstice

03:06:39.140 or an equinox i i thought it was really fitting and okay for us to separate them by month to where

03:06:47.860 we had an event and a cause to get together worship the ice here together at our halves

03:06:55.140 for both of all pergus not but also again a month later for mayday and so we could do them both

03:07:04.340 justice as rituals as events so we had something to do in both months at our hoth because again

03:07:12.100 we reckon our months and our time a little bit different than our ancestors but we should you

03:07:17.540 know find a reason to be getting together as a folk and worshiping our gods once once a month

03:07:22.660 and it worked out really well that way and so we've kind of tweaked it to conform to our calendar

03:07:29.940 and our availability to do it a little bit more

03:07:33.140 than putting it on a particular name.

03:07:39.040 This is an interesting one.

03:07:41.740 And it's odd.

03:07:42.280 I really appreciate this question

03:07:44.020 because it's something that's just kind of

03:07:47.320 a practical application thing many of us have thought of,

03:07:50.940 but oftentimes people don't ask.

03:07:53.280 So I really appreciate this one.

03:07:55.060 The Wolf Throne asks,

03:07:56.300 if you're interrupted during a gift exchange

03:07:58.660 with Roman gods, do you have an emergency? Do you try to come back and finish what you started?

03:08:04.340 It feels bad to leave during a ritual. Trent, what are your thoughts on this?

03:08:10.180 I would certainly intend to come back and finish what I started. I would love to be

03:08:15.060 able to say that I would definitely do that. But, you know, I mean, depending on what the emergency

03:08:22.740 is i can't say for certain um i think it's the right thing to do is come back and finish

03:08:30.980 but at the same time i think the ice here you know they see that you're having some kind of

03:08:36.900 emergency and uh i'm also pretty certain they would forgive you for having to leave in the

03:08:44.180 middle of the blow to take someone to the hospital or whatever the case may be

03:08:49.380 and the ulterior gothi is gone so i'm gonna move on to the next question while he does whatever

03:08:57.740 he's doing uh favorite film about english or anglo-saxon history

03:09:02.560 there aren't really any good ones about anglo-saxon history as far as english history

03:09:13.020 my favorite film is the one i mentioned earlier with probable homosexual timothy

03:09:19.000 Chalamet. Timothy Chalamet, if you're watching this, I want to arm wrestle you. You did not 0.99

03:09:25.540 deserve to play Henry V. The King on Netflix, that's a great movie. I joke, but he did a really

03:09:33.040 good job. He portrays really well the character of Henry V in that Henry was seen as always

03:09:44.700 pious, devout, and devoted. You know, he was pious and devout to a foreign desert death cult

03:09:54.060 god rather than his own, but piety at its core is something to be respected, I think.

03:10:01.180 It showed his willingness to fight when necessary, his willingness to find, you know, peace when

03:10:10.020 necessary and also uh a kind of a very germanic kind of ruthlessness that uh was really shocking

03:10:19.140 to the rest of the western world at the time there's a it was after the battle of azincourt

03:10:25.420 which uh he won due to some just brilliance on his part with the terrain and uh essentially they

03:10:34.920 They had captured all of these French nobles afterwards, and they were not sure if they were going to be able to keep moving wherever they needed to get to after that at a decent time without losing luggage and things like that.

03:10:53.000 And so a choice had to be made to either let them all go or to execute them, and King Henry made the choice to execute them.

03:10:59.880 And a lot of people got upset about that because it was the opposite of chivalry, but I don't know.

03:11:07.640 I thought it was cool.

03:11:09.860 I don't know if I would have done the same thing in that situation, but I digress.

03:11:13.980 I was here at Gokees Back.

03:11:15.400 That's my favorite movie on English history in general.

03:11:18.120 If I were going to recommend anything to watch on Anglo-Saxon history, I would begrudgingly suggest The Last Kingdom on Netflix.

03:11:29.880 with the caveat that Austin True was portrayed in a really silly way,

03:11:35.600 not as silly as it is in Vikings, but still pretty rough.

03:11:40.720 The Anglo-Saxons were portrayed really well themselves, though,

03:11:44.980 so got that going for it.

03:11:48.520 Yeah, appreciate that.

03:11:50.200 So I don't have a good English history movie that I can, off the top of my head, think that was very well done.

03:12:06.040 Silly, there's probably lots out there that I'm just spacing, but I don't really have one off the top of my head.

03:12:12.140 As for, should you come back to it if you stop a ritual midway due to an emergency? 0.93

03:12:21.180 In a perfect world, no, you never have that.

03:12:23.920 And the house burns down around you while you finish your ritual to the gods or whatever.

03:12:29.540 But realistically, I think a lot of us run into that.

03:12:33.600 Something will happen. 0.96

03:12:35.300 It's usually not in like a high bloat at a hof.

03:12:39.440 that's in something small you're doing at your home or your altar and something happens something

03:12:45.040 comes up you know your child scream cries from downstairs and you don't know what's wrong and

03:12:52.480 you got to deal with it and you get out of ritual dead space whatever yeah i think that

03:12:59.520 when you can to come back to it to acknowledge it and you know make your apologies for having to

03:13:07.600 break the ritual that you were in and re-engaging with and i do think that's the right thing to do

03:13:15.680 um i think uh

03:13:22.000 one of

03:13:25.840 we can't always fix things and we can't always make the world perfect we can't always have that

03:13:34.800 but at least what we can do is acknowledge when something

03:13:40.960 we wanted it to be different as and it wasn't and we can try to make it right and i think that's

03:13:48.080 fundamental i don't think that's some huge slight necessarily but the act of and again i've mentioned

03:13:57.120 this before austro is about relationships not about science or about legalism

03:14:07.760 if i was on a phone call with you

03:14:13.360 and i had to hang up abruptly because of an emergency

03:14:18.720 when i was done if i called you back and said hey i'm really sorry you know something happened

03:14:25.680 with my family i had to run um but where were we and going back into it that would mean something

03:14:32.880 to you obviously the gods are much much bigger than that but i do think that's the root of where

03:14:41.040 it starts and i think in the very least acknowledging hey this happened i wish you didn't

03:14:49.920 anyways back where i was i want to finish this this out you know i apologize for the interruption

03:14:56.960 and then carrying on i think that's the right way to do it if you can and even if if you forget i

03:15:04.240 think coming back to it later i think that acknowledgement and the finishing of it to

03:15:09.040 move forward is important where you can um

03:15:13.760 um what race were the ancient Egyptians

03:15:22.940 I believe they were Anunnaki is the race that they were I don't necessarily I don't really

03:15:29.420 don't keep that as a sound bite um that's a really interesting question because when you say

03:15:38.140 ancient egyptians that spans thousands of years

03:15:47.180 and it also spans a diverse mixture of people that met at a continental meeting point

03:15:57.580 so

03:16:00.040 what race were the pharaohs or what race were

03:16:09.400 the guys building stuff 0.98

03:16:14.560 um I don't think that in North Africa race is as simple as that because it's in a

03:16:24.520 it's in a melting pot to use a modern term of racial groups you have certainly you have 0.56

03:16:33.680 Aryans and Europeans that intermixed with that you also have you absolutely have the Semitic

03:16:39.900 races you have the Semites that are in the Middle East in general they go across North Africa with

03:16:47.440 trade routes and the bedouins of north africa you also do have sub-saharan africans that

03:16:55.760 are represented in upper egypt and other parts of egypt so you have a diverse

03:17:03.600 array of people that come together i think the average ancient egyptian from what i understand

03:17:11.040 was probably mostly semitic but i do think that at times the pharaohs had a varying degree of more

03:17:22.560 or less arian admixture until you get to uh ptolemaic times and the ptolemaic pharaohs were

03:17:32.400 greeks and they were certainly you know arian people but before that you have a mixture i think

03:17:40.000 your higher caste egyptians were intermixed more heavily with arian people

03:17:48.720 i don't necessarily think that's a reflection of the kingdom as a whole

03:17:56.080 trent what are your thoughts

03:17:59.360 uh about the same if you uh believe the oralinda book or something like that uh you could make the

03:18:07.840 connection i guess that some egyptians at some point were related to the frisians i don't think

03:18:13.280 that's necessarily true but there is the uh the pharaoh that was found with haplogroup r1b which

03:18:20.160 of course is you know it's all over germanic celtic and italic western europe in general uh i

03:18:28.560 as far as i know i don't know much about it uh what you said sir was uh

03:18:32.960 correct i do know the ptolemaic ones were greek uh but yeah i would if i had to guess i would say

03:18:40.880 they're mostly semitic with some arians and some sub-saharan africans just kind of mixed in it was

03:18:47.120 such a broad period of time and space and everything i appreciate you guys we've got a

03:18:56.800 Okay, we've got a lively chat room tonight, which is nice to see.

03:19:07.520 All right, so here is a...

03:19:15.800 Do you think it is safe to say that Loki doesn't have real power in the world since he is currently bound?

03:19:23.580 what do you say

03:19:27.380 uh i don't know whether loki has any power whether he's bound or not uh i know the

03:19:37.620 the closest comparison i could make would be you know the christians say that

03:19:43.040 uh satan is in you know hell the inferno and he has power over our minds or some such uh i

03:19:52.880 I don't tend to think of Loki as a one for one with Satan because that's a totally different world view.

03:20:00.460 I would argue that maybe he's the closest thing we have to Satan.

03:20:04.780 But I don't think he has power outside of what the Lord says.

03:20:14.000 We know he'll break free of his bonds and lead a ship against the Aesir.

03:20:22.880 Um, I don't know.

03:20:25.480 I don't ever think so with the ice here.

03:20:28.540 I do think often, well, Odin has influence of things.

03:20:32.640 Thor has influence over things, et cetera.

03:20:34.740 I never find myself.

03:20:36.580 I never see some awful thing happen, or I've never been through an awful thing and thought,

03:20:42.640 you know, ah, this was Loki that did this.

03:20:44.920 You know, it's always just chance or the consequences of my own actions.

03:20:48.900 Typically.

03:20:51.540 That's just me though.

03:20:52.880 um I don't really see Loki as having power at all outside of the things he's

03:20:59.840 already done and will do if that makes sense

03:21:06.560 so

03:21:13.580 the gods and other

03:21:19.580 metaphysical beings

03:21:22.880 exist in mythic time i don't think that loki is currently okay loki is currently bound

03:21:34.820 he is also pre-bound he is also post-bound he is all three and he is that simultaneous

03:21:46.900 mistake and is that confusing absolutely um

03:21:58.340 i think that we do ourselves a disservice if we think as though loki has no power

03:22:13.220 um

03:22:16.900 um so I'm trying to look for a word here because I don't count Loki amongst the 0.95

03:22:23.920 gods he's certainly not my seer the Yotnar are not gods but they are 1.00

03:22:32.740 big spiritual forces for lack of a better term and I think to negate 0.78

03:22:40.540 their efficacy or their power we do in our own peril and our own ignorance but also i think

03:22:50.860 we're trapped in a system to where we look at things as jehovah or satan and then our

03:22:59.460 equivalencies to both and our also true is not that even though we've been conditioned by that

03:23:09.180 as have our ancestors for centuries that's not quite how it works

03:23:18.300 every good thing in your life isn't because odin willed it to be so

03:23:26.460 every bad thing you do isn't because loki whispered in your ear and tricked you

03:23:33.420 that said some good things that befall you in your life are gifts from the alpha

03:23:45.420 and sometimes when you feel compelled to do things you shouldn't do

03:23:51.100 maybe that's loki whispering in your ear to do things you ought not

03:23:56.940 And that's the challenge of our faith, is we have to approach it as noble people to where there's black, there's white, and then there's a lot of shades of gray in between.

03:24:11.480 Some people make the mistake of saying there's no duality in Ausitru, and that's not true.

03:24:18.220 There's duality and then everything in between.

03:24:22.060 um one of the things that plays in Loki's favor is the default is chaos the default

03:24:33.040 is entropy and the tendency towards chaos and destruction

03:24:39.640 it is a conscious effort to outrun and outpace that every single day that we build our success

03:24:54.380 upon it's one of the meanings that this is called victory never sleeps

03:25:00.060 we have to outrun the entropy that is chaos

03:25:04.520 loki doesn't have to do things to win the default trends in his favor

03:25:14.060 we have to actively do things to defeat him if that makes sense

03:25:20.360 so that's an interesting way to look at it

03:25:27.020 chaos takes hold in the world in many ways some of that may be the will or the activism

03:25:34.700 of loki some of that is the degraded nature of how things work 0.60

03:25:44.060 if you look at the isir what they found was chaos

03:25:48.220 chaos they broke down chaos stole ymir broke him up in his parts and used his parts to create order

03:26:04.300 it is our lot as arian folk and the icers lot as the gods of arian consciousness to shape order

03:26:13.480 from chaos it's not loki's challenge to extract chaos from order if that makes sense so the weight

03:26:24.040 is on us to always win to always build to always do our best because doing nothing or waiting for

03:26:35.720 someone else to do it works in loki and surter and the forces of chaos it works in their favor

03:26:46.120 so the obligation of vigilance is on us and not on them if that makes sense and i hope it does

03:26:55.720 uh before we move on uh in the live chat uh there was some kind of discussion on whether loki was

03:27:03.400 evil or just misunderstood so i'd like to make it clear and you can correct me or not sir of course

03:27:09.960 uh yeah loki is evil he caused the death of balder and then made sure that balder stayed in hell 0.92

03:27:20.040 when uh all mother frigga was working to meet uh hell's requirements to have balder brought back 0.70

03:27:29.800 so and he leads a host against the icer at ragnarok he is evil he is a bad guy i you know 0.82

03:27:40.440 i know we there's this thing in aussitrew where we say uh you know oh there's no black and white

03:27:45.800 it's everything is or that's how i was taught about aussitrew initially and that's that's just

03:27:51.560 not true there are lots of gray areas there are lots of false dichotomies in life loki uh loki's

03:27:58.040 a pretty easy pretty easy one to nail down he's evil so um

03:28:09.400 all right so uh hammer first uh chris lucott donated 115 to vns thank you chris we appreciate

03:28:18.360 a lot um also kevin t bought us three coffees love the afa and everything you guys stand for

03:28:29.000 hail appreciate that kevin i really hope you're a member um if you're not you should consider

03:28:35.160 joining us but i really appreciate your donation that's awesome um hammer advisor we'll answer your

03:28:42.920 question next because you say you gotta go and you're a bit of a celebrity so we'll go ahead

03:28:48.280 and hit that here in a second um as to loki being evil or not loki's absolutely okay so

03:29:00.760 i think we go into a little bit of what that means to you not to be too um

03:29:12.920 esoteric with it, but at some point it doesn't matter. So here's the thing with Ausatru.

03:29:21.740 A lot of people try to translate Ausatru as belief in the Aesir.

03:29:29.160 It means that but sort of. It means that in modern Icelandic. But if you trace the roots

03:29:36.620 of those words, true to the Aesir. True means true. We know what that means. It comes into 0.96

03:29:43.320 English as true. It even sounds the same. Even if it doesn't have the funny little dash

03:29:48.680 above the U. It means loyalty. It means in troth with. We are loyal to the Aesir. Odin

03:30:02.200 is the king of the Aesir.

03:30:05.120 That means that Odin is my king.

03:30:10.300 If Loki conspires to arrange the murder

03:30:14.880 of the son of our king,

03:30:19.820 he is on the other team.

03:30:23.560 He is the bad guy and we are the good guy.

03:30:27.220 Whether that counts as evil,

03:30:29.440 whether that counts as whatever you want to call it we are not morally objective we are on a team

03:30:37.320 we are on team I see her that's what also true means he is on the other team therefore he is my

03:30:46.160 enemy that's all there is the enmity came through his deceitful action and murderous chaotic intent

03:30:58.920 you can call that whatever you like but it's on the other team and when a line's drawn

03:31:05.160 i'm in opposition to him in all his ways and i think that's the fundamental that counts

03:31:13.560 is our team or the other team and we can rationalize in another way

03:31:20.680 way but to make this real that's what it is the king of our gods Loki conspired to slay the best

03:31:32.200 of his sons that everything in our existence loved enough to weep for except for Loki

03:31:42.040 that illustrates it as clear as it needs to be all of the relativism is ah well you know you

03:31:51.760 need chaos in order to balance and this and that every hero is defined by their enemy

03:31:59.080 because without the enemy they wouldn't get to do heroic stuff doesn't mean the enemy's not the bad

03:32:06.340 good is defined by how it is different than evil but we don't support evil we oppose and we crush

03:32:17.780 evil that's our job if you're on the good team sounds simple but it is that simple

03:32:26.820 it is self-deluding and masturbatory to conceive of it beyond that

03:32:33.620 doesn't need to be we're on team isere and loki is clearly not

03:32:41.460 um and so we are going to go to your question next uh hammer and vajra asks my inner circle

03:32:51.320 of hammer and vajra members and i have been doing more in real life photos and rituals

03:32:58.080 the goal is to show living religion though some will call it larping sometimes we have to just

03:33:05.700 be about it doesn't mean show the most sacred rituals but at least some could the afa show

03:33:13.620 more rituals i know the moot photos are nice but some showing the rituals might be good as well

03:33:19.740 so this is something that we've talked about internally a lot

03:33:23.160 there is a long-standing taboo in the AFA about recording rituals and show

03:33:32.760 I get that we try to uphold that a little bit but I think that you're right that showing some of the

03:33:40.560 ritual is important what we've tried to do as a compromise and we can certainly show you pictures

03:33:49.800 that do this is like pictures during ritual but as far as a recording of ritual

03:33:57.880 that's something that we don't do what i would like to do is some just the go-thar maybe together

03:34:05.000 doing some like how-to rituals so folks get a sense of what we do and how we conduct an

03:34:13.400 to pronounce true ritual um but there's a lot of photos taken during ritual and if you're curious

03:34:23.060 you can reach out to me on the side and I can get you some of those that give you a little bit more

03:34:27.200 of the feel of it if that makes sense um but yeah um in real life is what counts and I'm

03:34:40.340 guys doing more of that um but yeah i hope that that answers and gets to the meat of

03:34:49.300 what you're asking on that and i appreciate you joining us tonight

03:34:58.900 all right next one is frayer shown in a

03:35:03.780 phrygian hat that's the smurf hat in a smurf hat when uh it's at um is it okay you said

03:35:18.080 isn't frayer shown in a smurf hat yeah i've never seen a picture of frayer in a smurf hat

03:35:23.660 um oh okay i got okay so i've got to read this i'm sorry it's for our culture than the top hat

03:35:35.900 with mercury poison and slim shady sideways at but what i i got one uh it's because we were

03:35:48.020 making fun of uh the papa smurf uh yeah the hat is is closer to our culture then

03:35:59.720 it's closer to our culture than the sideways slim shady hat or the i don't know about top hats top

03:36:09.480 hats seem like our our culture but the phrygian hat is definitely yeah it's a european thing of

03:36:15.060 course but i mean so as a viking age tunic or uh a nordic bronze age thing with like the little

03:36:24.580 silver disc on it that doesn't necessarily mean it's you're not going to get made fun of for

03:36:30.540 wearing those because i am going to make fun of you for wearing those in some contexts so

03:36:34.860 all right so i appreciate the question um and i don't think the question is without merit it does

03:36:47.700 make me chuckle um if we lived in smurf hat times i think wearing a smurf hat would make sense

03:36:58.860 if we were in the little mushroom houses i think a smurf hat would also make sense 0.93

03:37:06.700 but then we don't wear shirts we just wear the little smurf pants and um

03:37:12.300 joking aside it locks it into a specific time in a specific place i think that a

03:37:20.440 felt anglo-saxon smurf hat makes sense in that and i'm not going to make fun of you if we're

03:37:27.760 living in smerts have smurf hat times but why would we pretend that we're something we're not

03:37:37.920 in order to worship there's no sense that the hat in itself had a ceremonial purpose

03:37:45.760 it was the customary hat of the day

03:37:48.160 typically and this is a strange thing because as white people we take off our hats when we do

03:37:58.720 acts of worship in this day and age typically just because that's our custom culture

03:38:04.540 if we were to show up to the bloat wearing a top hat and it was 1910 or like 1880 I think

03:38:17.740 that would be completely appropriate i think it wouldn't be appropriate to have the slim shady

03:38:26.940 sideways hat ever because we're not

03:38:36.860 i'm trying to be really careful with my verbiage here you're not the real

03:38:40.380 that is not a hat of our folk nor a way of okay it might be a hat that is not the way of wearing

03:38:47.900 a hat that is culturally significant to our folk i see the little thing there i don't know if that

03:38:55.340 is a smurf hat or perhaps it is a conical helm either way it would be silly to wear a conical

03:39:04.940 helmet to worship for why wouldn't we wear a modern kevlar with the ear exposed like operator

03:39:15.820 helmet like the mercs wearing in combat right now or a special forces wear just like it'd be silly

03:39:23.980 to wear a stall helm or any other silly helmet it'd make a lot of sense at the time

03:39:31.900 um yeah if that's a little hat with a little ball on the top

03:39:37.720 cool if we were in a Scandinavian country in medieval times we could do that the point that

03:39:45.560 I'm trying to say is that Lord Frayer is my God as much as he is an ancient Scandinavian man's God

03:39:56.320 as much as he was a God to

03:40:00.100 Neolithic men

03:40:07.880 a thousand years before that 0.95

03:40:10.100 two thousand years before that

03:40:11.660 I wouldn't expect them

03:40:15.440 to somehow retroactively

03:40:17.560 dress like me

03:40:19.600 to worship Lord Frey

03:40:21.100 why would I do that

03:40:23.540 and I hope that

03:40:25.860 my descendants 200 years from now don't dress up like me and Trent in order to be more authentic

03:40:37.320 in how they practice Al-Satru. Al-Satru should be culturally relevant to our folk throughout

03:40:45.120 time. It doesn't mean there's not a time and a place to do something if it has a ritual

03:40:50.020 importance like for example um we use drinking horns we don't need to do that we can pass around

03:40:58.420 a mug or a cup or a chalice or whatever other drinking vessel we want we use a cowhorn

03:41:07.220 as a ritual item because it links us to something timeless there's steps you can take

03:41:14.580 um if everything else was on point but when they did bloat they put on the smurf hats

03:41:22.820 i may chuckle but it doesn't mean they're doing it wrong

03:41:27.620 what does mean they're doing it wrong is when your name is travis and you call yourself thorbert

03:41:33.620 when you do bloat and you put on your little costume but you don't let your co-workers

03:41:39.220 and the other people who know you in life know what you do that's larping and that's silly and

03:41:46.600 it's disrespectful to our gods if you are who you are and you just want to go throughout your life

03:41:55.520 calling yourself you know you again like i said you go through the steps to legally change your

03:42:00.400 name and you want to go to the mall and whatever else you do in your smurf hat i say the mall

03:42:07.800 nobody goes to the mall anymore but anyways if you want to go do what you do

03:42:14.360 in your garb and that's authentic to you and who you are

03:42:18.120 some of us may chuckle but that doesn't mean you're doing it wrong and i say that everything

03:42:23.560 else aside some things are funny and i will chuckle at them but it doesn't mean that you're

03:42:31.960 doing it wrong and there's one wrong you know right way to do it and i'll say this um

03:42:38.040 at our true events and it's been a long time uh remember one that we did the last

03:42:45.240 this has evolved over time so i have been in bloat

03:42:54.040 one of these wasn't the scan the most scandalous of this that i'm going to say wasn't an official

03:42:59.480 afa event it was a local kindred thing that apparently everybody wasn't briefed right but

03:43:05.240 anyways i have been in bloat with someone who wore a floppy hat and a cloak and had like a spear

03:43:20.920 i have been in bloat with a

03:43:23.960 okay uh morbidly obese dude with some shorts and a cutoff shirt but he had like a big viking shield

03:43:38.200 i have been in bloat with guys that had very period authentic like felt and wool um

03:43:45.320 um like like real deal authentic um reenactment viking garb not as like yeah but not not like

03:43:56.900 silly stuff like really legit stuff I've been in bloat with two of those guys that were doing that

03:44:03.500 very seriously and authentically I've been in bloat with uh guys dressed up in like silly

03:44:14.260 militia multi-cam stuff i've been in bloat with a guy who was

03:44:25.540 been in blow with a guy who thought it was cool to be sky clad

03:44:31.300 he decided to strip down while we were in the circle preparing for the bloat

03:44:36.900 none of those people were trying to be disrespectful all of those people were

03:44:46.500 trying to do bloat authentically i did bloat with all of them and i didn't say a crossword to any

03:44:56.580 one of them nobody in the a the sky clad thing if there were kids around or something that's not

03:45:05.620 cool and not appropriate it was just an odd circumstance that happened

03:45:12.340 everything else the afa doesn't try to make people dress a certain way and if you want to

03:45:18.660 show up wearing a smurf hat do that and if you own it and you rock it and one of us says something

03:45:25.940 about the smurf hat and you laugh at us and do whatever and it's all good it's not a it is much

03:45:33.700 more about you doing this authentically and if that makes you feel like you're closer to the gods

03:45:39.060 or like you're in a frame of mind where it enhances what you do spiritually cool um

03:45:50.180 somebody may chuckle but nobody's going to seriously hold that against you nobody's going

03:45:53.780 to kick you out or treat you badly we've never done that um and i'll say that we've also done

03:45:59.540 that with people who show up unless you show up to an afa event wearing something that is

03:46:04.740 overtly offensive if you're the naked dude and there's kids around who make you not do that

03:46:12.180 if you are the guy who shows up and your thing has curse words on it or people making obscene

03:46:19.220 gestures again these are family events and that's overtly and intentionally offensive we might ask

03:46:25.540 you to change that anything else no we've never done that and we don't do that we encourage you

03:46:33.920 to dress your best but if you if your best and what you feel is the best for you to honor the

03:46:40.100 gods is you dressing up in viking reenactment garb or anglo-saxon reenactment garb go ahead

03:46:47.240 we do it in the summer you're going to be kind of warm but you do you and honestly if you wear it

03:46:53.160 have confidence i'm not going to give you a hard time we may tea we may have some good

03:46:58.360 natured banter like we'd have with anybody else but it's not wrong go for it um

03:47:08.920 question from michael from york's off a question i'm thinking of incorporating

03:47:14.920 a fish tank into my altar space was wondering what fish would be appropriate

03:47:22.040 as Njord's idol.

03:47:27.280 First, before we say anything else,

03:47:29.180 that's really innovative,

03:47:30.800 and I've never heard of anybody else doing that.

03:47:35.380 Trent, what fish do you think would be most appropriate?

03:47:39.240 The marlin, obviously, since that's our half animal,

03:47:43.580 or a gator.

03:47:44.560 Do you fit that in a personal halter?

03:47:48.140 Not with that attitude.

03:47:49.360 um no in all seriousness i don't know of a a fish that specifically fits norther i would

03:47:58.320 because he's associated with the bounty of the sea i would say maybe uh

03:48:03.200 just a bountiful fish that's local to your area or just any fish you like really um

03:48:10.240 i don't know of a specific one honestly but the fish tank idea is pretty cool that is

03:48:19.340 really innovative um so don't get caught in the weeds I think that's a really cool idea

03:48:32.720 I think whatever fish you can get to live awesome some fish are harder to keep alive than others

03:48:40.640 and I'm not joking it sounds silly but if you have an altar and your fish are always dying

03:48:45.260 that's probably not the best way you want to do it so i wouldn't go crazy if you have what it takes

03:48:52.460 to do a saltwater aquarium and go all out do that if you could just keep some goldfish in there do

03:48:59.580 that um i think it's kind of and and so you're asking me perfect first of all i think in literally

03:49:10.220 any fish you want is a neat thing to do and completely and totally appropriate

03:49:17.340 um i think if you want to get fish that are

03:49:26.380 found in the north sea cool if you want to get fish that are found in nordic places

03:49:34.780 that's neat if that makes you feel more connected just as viably if you want to get fish that are

03:49:42.140 legitimate fish of florida cool that's where his hoff is i can't tell you there's a more

03:49:48.940 sacred place to lord and your other than white springs florida

03:49:55.900 so if you want to get like a catfish cool

03:49:58.940 cool uh marlins are awesome you will notice that is not a Nordic fish it is a Florida fish because

03:50:08.660 that's where his Hoff is so I wouldn't get too wrapped up in it I think the idea of having an

03:50:13.400 aquarium there is a really really cool idea so whatever you want to do with that I'd love to

03:50:19.580 see a picture that when you get it up and running I think that's great idea

03:50:22.580 the next question from raven is there any other notable heroic acts from regular men

03:50:36.140 that are comparable or along the lines of the hero of the bridge i assume this question is

03:50:45.400 the hero of Stanford Bridge

03:50:47.760 who it's really

03:50:51.560 unfortunate that we don't know that man's

03:50:53.820 name

03:50:54.180 Trent what do you say

03:50:58.280 yeah I'm sure there are

03:51:01.420 I would

03:51:01.880 I don't have any

03:51:05.280 examples right off the top of my head so I 0.97

03:51:07.460 look like a jerk a little bit but I'm 0.98

03:51:09.620 sure there are 0.99

03:51:10.200 I mean

03:51:13.020 And, you know, any major historical battle, the Battle of Azencourt that I talked about earlier, you know, I can't remember the guy's actual name in Shakespeare's play.

03:51:24.980 His name was Flagstaff, but he volunteered to be one of the guys in full plate armor on the ground during the whole terrain situation I mentioned that were essentially sacrificing themselves to the French cavalry so that later the more lightly armored infantry from the English side could come in and wipe out the French cavalry that would be stuck in the mud.

03:51:53.700 So that guy, for an example, to kind of call back to that time.

03:51:59.400 Another one that's cool, George Washington, a man of Anglo-Saxon descent, at least partially, keeping with tonight's theme.

03:52:09.880 There was a battle, I don't remember which one it was, but during the Revolutionary War, where he needed to rally the American troops.

03:52:18.320 And so what he did was, despite all the clear and present danger in the situation, he rode in front of his troops and in front of the British troops on his horse, you know, yelling a rally cry.

03:52:30.360 And I would compare that to being the last man standing on Stamford Bridge like that.

03:52:39.780 And there are countless examples.

03:52:42.900 Frankly, we're just a heroic people.

03:52:45.080 We do heroic things.

03:52:47.000 uh and sadly yeah not a lot of the names of those heroic people are remembered

03:52:53.160 and that's part of why it's important remember heroes and ancestors so the question

03:53:02.760 the question traps itself in its own verbiage

03:53:06.360 um are there any other notable heroic acts from regular men that are comparable no if you do an

03:53:19.080 act that is comparable to the hero stamford bridge you are not a regular man you are a hero

03:53:27.080 and so the question defeats itself you can't have regular people don't do that and this is

03:53:36.360 but this is important this isn't just semantics we believe in ascension that's part of our days

03:53:48.760 of remembrance we celebrate people who have ascended their condition and become more

03:53:56.540 One of the most profound ways to do that is on, is in battle, because the lines are so stark. It's life or death in the balance in one moment.

03:54:15.460 And that's the clearest, you know, most obvious display of heroism.

03:54:21.420 if you are a regular dude that does that you are no longer a regular dude

03:54:34.980 and I think that's the case

03:54:37.740 and I think this is worth noting too

03:54:41.820 in the legend in the story that we have about Stanford Bridge

03:54:51.420 We have no reason to believe that that person is a Jarl or a hero or a champion before that point.

03:55:02.280 You have no reason to think that that's not any regular member of Harold's army that happened to be on that bridge and decide that now's his time.

03:55:18.540 I don't know.

03:55:19.840 Well, perhaps we'll never know. But that's not the story of a king or anybody of note. Just to say this, if it was, we would know the guy's name. There's no reason to think it wasn't a regular soldier that just, no, I'm going to hold this bridge as long as I can.

03:55:41.840 um and there's a lot of examples of that and there's examples up to this very day but you

03:55:49.880 see them less and less but I think there are countless um Medal of Honor recipients

03:55:59.000 recipients, Iron Cross recipients. There are men of our folk who have received their

03:56:14.000 people's highest honor for battlefield bravery. Most of them aren't nobles or celebrities

03:56:24.600 or didn't go into the fray as you know elevated beyond their fellow man next to them but emerged

03:56:36.180 something much much more and I think there's a lot of examples of that in history

03:56:45.660 um and there's examples of that to this very day uh I think it's harder to find the more obscure

03:56:52.180 the versions of that that aren't displayed on the battlefield

03:56:59.540 because much more of a slow burn

03:57:03.860 i don't know how well okay for example um widow von list or alexander red mills

03:57:13.540 how do you compare them to the guy on the bridge

03:57:21.540 Did either of them defeat scores of their enemies till they heaped up around them?

03:57:30.060 No.

03:57:31.060 Did they live decades pursuing the worship of our gods to the scorn of the people around them that didn't understand?

03:57:41.860 did alexander red mills endure prison time for his because it happened to fall on the wrong side of a

03:57:55.620 war that started after he had started pursuing it it's really hard to tell and i don't think

03:58:05.060 there's an accurate rate of balance all of those things perfectly but it is much harder

03:58:12.340 and much more of a long-suffering thing than those moments of extreme battlefield courage that win

03:58:19.780 people medals and accolades but we've had those men throughout our history and no doubt we'll

03:58:26.740 have them in our future as well that won them on the battlefield just like the guy at stanford bridge

03:58:33.300 um you know trill was talking about various things in the hundred years war you have uh

03:58:41.860 creci and and the black prince winning spurs you have a lot of examples of

03:58:49.460 heroes doing great things at any of these points in time you want to talk about

03:58:54.500 um and again like I said the vast majority of the people that we celebrate in that way

03:59:06.680 aren't don't start out as elevated amongst their peers but are elevated afterwards

03:59:17.360 for what that's worth anyways I know some of these questions

03:59:20.780 stack and get asked a long time before we answer them and i appreciate you guys patience

03:59:26.140 uh what's your favorite time in history trent

03:59:30.540 uh right now because i'm alive and my wife's alive and all my best friends are alive and i

03:59:37.100 get to be a gothy and we have four hoffs working on five we have sigerheim uh i get to be on vns

03:59:44.140 uh so right now is my favorite time other than that the nordic bronze age

03:59:55.260 i don't know don't ask me those questions because i'm that guy that will sit there and like

03:59:59.340 over analyze them i'm always like oh what's your five favorite movies i'll sit here for

04:00:05.820 hours and i will analyze and weigh and measure like ah but is is braveheart better than coming

04:00:14.780 to america they're both very different movies and like you yeah don't don't do that uh

04:00:25.660 there is a lot of periods of history that there's a lot of moments of time that are really really

04:00:35.820 cool to me at a distance but i don't pretend that at the moment they will because here's the thing 1.00

04:00:43.340 times that were heroic and exciting and awesome were also tragic and miserable if you want women 0.99

04:00:52.380 so i don't know what counts as that realistically

04:01:01.100 and i know this sounds like a cop-out answer i don't mean it that way

04:01:05.820 um but I'm here I get to be the ulterior guilty of the Alstrue folk assembly I'm doing something

04:01:15.780 with my life that I believe is very meaningful and building a legacy that I think is very meaningful

04:01:24.720 we have Hoffs we have Sigurheim

04:01:33.360 I'm able to build and continue building Alistair true off of the tremendous efforts

04:01:39.840 that the McNallans put in to get us where we are and those who came before them

04:01:47.640 I have access to the entire wealth of human knowledge at my fingertips 0.90

04:01:54.720 I've got air conditioning when it's hot I've got heat when it's cold

04:02:07.200 I can eat any type of food I want when I'm hungry

04:02:14.880 it's not a matter of can I eat or not can I feed my daughter or not it's hey what do you want

04:02:21.360 ah i want some mexican and i want some chinese and let's do both at my fingertips

04:02:29.600 um we are tremendously blessed now culturally there's a lot that's lacking so the one answer

04:02:39.680 i'll do trends like yeah right here and now because we're doing awesome things we got cool stuff

04:02:44.080 because we do and shoot i can get on a plane i could travel across the i do travel across

04:02:51.280 across the continent many times throughout the year and it takes me like six to eight

04:02:58.720 hours of inconvenience and I'm in New York I can do all of these things and I wouldn't

04:03:06.400 get that in previous ages um another time

04:03:12.640 the american south before the civil war or during the early part of the civil war

04:03:25.180 where you had a lot of modern convenience you had a culture that was still

04:03:33.100 something i can understand and immerse myself in and relate to very well

04:03:40.600 but you had a dignity and a nobility you had those last vestiges of

04:03:50.200 that very important european culture it's very much like the little

04:03:55.940 little piece at the beginning of gone with the wind where it talks about

04:04:01.220 you know noble knights on their plantation with ladies and and you had that

04:04:08.980 bit of nobility still there in an idyllic situation that was beautiful and special

04:04:17.260 and that contained so many of our values that are noble and that was

04:04:23.720 a period that's far enough back that we can consider it historic and marvel at it but that

04:04:32.520 is infinitely relatable and contains a lot of really beautiful things that we lost

04:04:43.480 does the afa have any members in south africa no not as of today we do on and off

04:04:51.240 throughout time one of the hardest things internationally

04:04:55.400 and south africa so a couple of notes on the south africa thing

04:04:58.520 we get members there every so often and i really hope that we can build something there

04:05:06.520 one thing our people in large part are busy worried about don't get killed or raped or robbed

04:05:17.880 to worry about being part of the afa they're worried about

04:05:21.320 very primal concerns of getting things right they have seen I mean people my age there

04:05:31.280 within their living memory of seeing their world go

04:05:37.100 just completely turned upside down so I think it's hard for them to

04:05:42.020 be in a mental place where they can consider their options

04:05:50.500 and embrace Ausatru and join the AFA in that situation?

04:05:55.640 Some haven't, some haven't.

04:05:57.260 The other thing is, technically, Ausatru is illegal in South Africa.

04:06:01.960 That's an interesting side note. 0.94

04:06:04.460 Indigenous religion is illegal there

04:06:07.780 because the other types of beings that exist in south africa their indigenous religion looks 1.00

04:06:18.980 real different than ours and often involves cannibalism and

04:06:28.260 stuff that

04:06:29.060 is difficult to have in an ordered society so there's like a kind of agreement that you could

04:06:39.380 be asked to if you want but it's still technically kind of illegal there so it's an interesting spot

04:06:45.140 and i've talked to some uh former south african members that have talked about that a little bit

04:06:50.820 uh trip this one's for you if you were in the army would you would you have any advice

04:07:01.520 or have excuse me on how to prepare for military service i am most likely to start

04:07:08.500 military service in july this is from fin ray yeah um a lot of people make the mistake and i

04:07:17.540 made this mistake too before i joined the army was focusing more on cardio than weight lifting

04:07:24.700 um and which backfired in a couple different ways i'm an endurance runner not a speed runner

04:07:32.560 uh so the back story i uh am a really skinny guy well it's not as much anymore i you know since

04:07:42.840 then i reached different benchmarks of strength i can bench press 225 squat 315 i'm doing okay

04:07:51.000 getting better every day etc but uh at the time i could my one rep max on bench press for example

04:07:57.320 is 135 pounds and so i got to boot camp and you know i'm having to walk miles upon miles

04:08:06.680 with 60 pounds on my back and because i was the little guy they made me carry a

04:08:10.600 uh, it's a, it's a light machine gun, but it's called an M240 Bravo. And so not wait, the,

04:08:17.940 the point of it is, uh, not doing strength training before bootcamp really messed me up.

04:08:23.700 And it put me in a position that was even more difficult than it already would have been because

04:08:28.560 of my size. Another thing I would recommend is, um, learning to eat your meals faster. It sounds

04:08:39.460 silly but it's important at least in the american military they really emphasize eating your meals

04:08:44.900 quickly because you know if you're in the field you know you only have a few minutes to eat before 0.79

04:08:49.620 you got to get back you know moving or pulling security or whatever it is uh i wouldn't worry

04:08:57.460 about taking any kind of firearms training before you get to whatever your boot camp is called just

04:09:03.220 let them teach you from there because a lot of civilian firearms training is

04:09:08.180 just not really congruent with military firearms training uh that's about all i got

04:09:18.020 all right so take this one too what are your guys opinions on or relations with ermine folk

04:09:27.060 uh they're one of the relatively few groups that we just we have no kind of frith with

04:09:37.060 uh the stuff with them kind of blew up right before i started folk building so i wasn't

04:09:43.700 super in the know about everything at the time but the guy leading it or who was leading at the

04:09:49.400 time mike saginario did try to get me to jump ship with the afa and join them so that's flattering i

04:09:56.260 guess uh they had some sort of issue with the way we do donations and they wanted to like

04:10:05.060 take a look at like all of our financial stuff from what i understand and uh we told them no

04:10:12.940 you know that's we're not doing that and so they thought that meant that we were federal agents

04:10:18.400 and also a drug cartel and also not actually folkish or some such.

04:10:24.860 And I've run into Mike Saginario online one time since then,

04:10:29.340 and he accused us of being feds again, and I directly said,

04:10:34.500 hey, Mike, you know, you and I know each other.

04:10:36.720 Let's talk about this, and he would not respond directly to me.

04:10:41.320 And then, oh, a couple months after that, my RuneStone article

04:10:45.480 where I said the AFA was the only group actually doing us a true right.

04:10:49.560 He got real mad about it, but wouldn't talk to me directly about it once again.

04:10:54.840 So, yeah, they're not our friends.

04:10:56.920 They hate us because they ain't us. 0.91

04:11:02.100 Okay, so the Irvin Folk were members of the AFA at one time.

04:11:10.220 This is a number of years ago.

04:11:11.640 I think they broke with us in 2017.

04:11:16.360 you think their bouts um i have so they were always very very secretive about what their real

04:11:28.600 numbers were last i knew of them there was like 10 members but then they would host

04:11:37.880 um focus summer hallowing every year and invite all of the focus people that they could to be

04:11:47.840 there and it would get a decent number of people but those people weren't actually members so I'm

04:11:54.080 not sure who counts anymore when you're asking the question I'm I'm kind of out of touch with that

04:11:59.060 um I am sure there are probably really good people who are members of the Ehrman folk

04:12:11.060 um again I don't know who their current membership is I was told that their

04:12:16.760 current leader is still Mike Saginario and he's a terrible person um

04:12:22.040 um but like there was a guy um Will DeVito that was a member and I don't know if he still is

04:12:33.320 and he was a great guy in person he was really good guy um

04:12:41.300 outstanding character uh really solid guy and I'm sure there's a number of those so I don't

04:12:47.300 say that every one of their people is bad um and mike to his credit i don't

04:13:00.020 i think that there is a mixture of

04:13:05.380 mental unwellness that goes into it and this all of this is just going to sound like mean

04:13:13.300 sour grapes and me just saying mean things about some kind of rival group of people or whatever

04:13:19.940 but it's worth saying i would be really really cautious of dealing with them because

04:13:31.220 when i say them i'm referring mostly to their leadership they're very dishonest and some of that

04:13:39.300 that I think has to do with those folks and how they're raised some of it is part of 0.78

04:13:47.340 um just the kind of New Yorker thing I don't know um but there is a

04:13:56.040 there is a cynicism and an inherent distrust and like uh

04:14:07.080 like a lusting after conspiracy and nonsense there's almost like a uh anti-occams razor

04:14:16.840 thing that goes on in your group think it's like rather than the most obvious solution that makes

04:14:25.240 sense no what's really true is the most convoluted thing that makes no sense

04:14:33.400 so as trent was saying from them simultaneously we're feds

04:14:42.920 like we're a honeypot operation from the feds i've heard they've them say i've also heard

04:14:52.280 them say that we are in league with and i forget which cartel they mentioned but with a mexican

04:14:59.080 cartel to move drugs and we're also not like a honeypot of fed informants but like

04:15:10.920 that i have to go through the fbi to get sanctioned to make like new folk builders

04:15:19.800 and stuff like we're literally run by the fbi um i've heard all of these things and like

04:15:26.600 simultaneously and they never make any sense

04:15:33.800 just on the face of it but they're repeated so either they're lies they're just straight up

04:15:39.640 dishonest or they're woefully mentally disturbed in a in a way or both and that concerns me

04:15:54.840 a couple of other things that i'll say um there is a so we talk about viking larp or other kind 0.96

04:16:03.320 a lot but there's like a parliamentarian like the most shady just greasy democracy larp there to

04:16:17.480 where like mike doesn't want to be the actual leader he's just the spokesperson but he's not

04:16:23.960 really the president but they have like he goes through those all this little silly political

04:16:28.920 machinations instead of just like hey guys i'm the king of the ermine folk he goes through some other

04:16:35.480 silliness we'd interact with people a lot of people he'd have at his events he hated them

04:16:41.880 and thought they were terrible but they were there and they would buy things from him and the

04:16:48.840 economics were his goal not so much house of true itself i don't think that he's not folkish

04:16:59.240 um i have no idea what they do the last shoot seven years maybe it's a lot better i don't know

04:17:09.800 they used to make really cool stuff i'll say this about mike he was really good at being able to like

04:17:16.920 make stuff and he could reverse engineer something if he saw something that was awesome and you're

04:17:22.680 like hey can you make something like this he would get the tools and get the stuff and figure it all

04:17:29.160 out on how to do it and he's really really good at that and make really cool things

04:17:34.040 uh matter of fact he made my wedding ring um that was right around that time uh

04:17:41.880 uh there was just all this gamesmanship and politicking that was really really toxic at

04:17:51.360 the end they tried to call us out publicly and have this big expose on our our member

04:17:58.860 database and our finances and stuff but it was all stuff he made up like while we were having

04:18:06.300 conversation the nick will attest to this because i had to have him do some tech help he could show

04:18:14.940 you my desktop i've got like i'm not joking i've got like 35 windows like not windows but tabs open

04:18:24.940 in my in my chrome right now it's not recommended but it's how i do regardless so i'm literally in

04:18:31.580 the database and in the accounts looking at the stuff while he's saying it now he's just making

04:18:38.380 stuff up it's just not true when i posted at the time like no this is the percentage of members

04:18:45.500 we've gained this is the person no this is how many members we have no this is how much money

04:18:49.980 is in the general fund like he just made stuff up and that dishonesty is really really toxic

04:18:59.580 um the other thing i'll say just just be cautious and you can google them on some stuff

04:19:10.080 i don't do this and i feel greasy saying it but i think that it's necessary

04:19:19.340 he says that we're feds and he pushes that a lot which is strange because we're not doing

04:19:27.740 anything illegal we're not encouraging anything illegal we never ever have

04:19:34.060 he is a convicted domestic terrorist in new york

04:19:43.500 and he has multiple weapons charges after that initial charge and he's done zero amount of jail

04:19:53.020 time i don't know what that means again i'm not i'm just saying that looks really suspicious to me

04:20:04.140 and makes me uncomfortable

04:20:08.300 and it makes me uncomfortable that he is the first to call everyone else feds

04:20:15.820 when his stuff really doesn't match up to my understanding of how things work

04:20:21.260 so i would just advise everybody to be really really cautious

04:20:28.380 um with all our lives and weird being woven similarly to our stories and lore would it

04:20:38.460 be inappropriate to interpret actual events and life experiences symbolically and poetically

04:20:46.560 What say you, Trent?

04:20:49.260 No, I don't think that's inappropriate at all.

04:20:52.440 I do that, you know.

04:20:55.980 You know, like the day I got ordained was really important to me,

04:20:59.300 and I'll always think of that as a milestone for myself.

04:21:03.840 Last year, I got to do the midsummer bloat at Odenshoff.

04:21:08.560 That was probably the coolest thing I've done in my life so far.

04:21:12.580 You know, I mean, that's certainly symbolic for me.

04:21:15.620 poetic. It was like a, a testament. It's all the work I've put in and the skin I've gotten the

04:21:20.640 game and all that. So if I'm understanding you right now, yeah, different good things I see as

04:21:26.580 triumphs in my life, bad things I see as, uh, barriers or obstacles or just a kind of a rock

04:21:34.840 to stumble on and the path of that is my life. Uh, you know, I, I wouldn't compare it to like

04:21:41.720 the our lore necessarily you know i don't think uh you know me dealing with uh antifa a few years

04:21:51.020 ago is the same as like thor fighting jormungandr or anything silly like that but yeah i think it's

04:21:58.080 it's perfectly fine to view those events in your life uh as important because they are you know

04:22:04.120 a couple of couple of thoughts on that um

04:22:16.440 so here's the thing

04:22:20.800 four hours ago we had two questions like man you guys better ask some questions this will be a

04:22:29.700 short broadcast. So I appreciate the lively chat and lots of questions. I'm being a little

04:22:37.420 bit verbose on some things tonight because I'm having fun. It's a good broadcast. I hope

04:22:43.040 it's useful. One thing that I, and I say that because I'm going a little bit far afield

04:22:50.440 on this um because i was talking to

04:22:58.840 i was talking to this to about this the other day and i think i was talking to mandy about this my

04:23:03.960 wife um nobody ever

04:23:10.920 this has come to view in a number of ways but specifically

04:23:19.720 you know what's hard is digging stories out of steven now

04:23:27.960 that's because in a lot of ways

04:23:29.560 is when Steve looks back at the foundational years of Alistair like 1968 to 1995

04:23:45.400 he sees mistakes he made as a young man or things he would have done different or

04:23:53.740 just some stuff he did trying to make stuff work and throw things together and it's all this

04:23:59.560 mundane just just some stuff that happened on Tuesday but to the rest of us certainly to myself

04:24:09.380 no that's like the golden age of modern Ausatruz development that's this you know semi-mythic time

04:24:19.260 of these amazing things and history doesn't work that way it doesn't feel historic in the moment

04:24:28.600 it it's only historic when we look back on it and when future generations look back

04:24:35.560 so many of these things you know we talked earlier about the hero hero of Stanford Bridge

04:24:43.000 that dude just found himself on a bridge and said all right let's go

04:24:48.760 while he's fighting these guys off and I say this we have no way of knowing but I have no

04:24:54.640 reason to think that he thought that a little bit less than a thousand years later by a

04:25:07.120 couple decades we'd be talking about it was just what happened that day Englishmen are

04:25:16.120 coming at him his guys are busy trying to put their armor on on the other side of the

04:25:21.340 bridge and he's going to try to hold the bridge and then history happened and I think that's

04:25:28.960 what happens so often so looking at your life and the events of it in a like a meta historical

04:25:39.520 narrative I don't think that's wrong at all I mean if you start having an artificial view

04:25:46.600 yourself then yeah you need to temper that with reality but those things are important they're

04:25:55.800 important to you and maybe if you do the right things at the right time and you're in the right

04:26:02.040 place it'll be important to all the rest of us and you never know until it is so i don't think

04:26:08.840 that's wrong at all and i think that viewing life through that lens makes you much more aware of

04:26:16.120 your actions and their implications and i think that's as long as it doesn't paralyze you with

04:26:22.520 the weight of it i think that's a really noble way to look at things so i i like that a lot and

04:26:28.520 i think that's a good thing um trent what's your cat's name i saw him slash her in the background

04:26:41.880 uh the one you saw in the i have two cats the ones you saw in the background and jumping up here on

04:26:48.820 the desk his name is desmond he's an american shorthair and he's a junkyard cat that we picked

04:26:56.160 up from a junkyard basically about five years ago and there's another cat that you may have

04:27:01.900 seen in the background her name is clementine and that's more madison's cat than mine and she's

04:27:07.500 spoiled rotten and the worst question do you think chaos can be used for good like a sort of

04:27:19.240 controlled chaos similar to odin taming his wolves and having mastery over them or am i way off here

04:27:27.060 trent thoughts uh well i guess i would ask if chaos can be used for good is it's chaos

04:27:36.420 and you know you can get all this waxing philosophic about it but uh i chaos in the

04:27:45.500 way we view it in ositru i would say no is not good but that's specifically in our context that

04:27:53.420 we have uh fenris for example i you know we already know that you know he exists in mythic

04:28:00.720 time same as our gods he will never cause any good really um jormungandr causes no good loki

04:28:10.400 had some moments that caused good but ultimately he is a net negative clearly so i would i would

04:28:18.320 say no i wouldn't say you're way off though either i it's a it's a really good question

04:28:23.840 It's just a hard question to answer.

04:28:38.140 So I think we would answer this at different times.

04:28:44.340 in today's world there's this squishy

04:28:48.960 try to make excuses for inexcusable things nonsense and so that's the lens I think we

04:29:01.260 all come into it on fundamentally

04:29:03.420 the art of the vikki is to shape chaos into order

04:29:13.460 if we look at the lore

04:29:17.900 ganungagap is chaos it is completely chaotic undifferentiated magical potency

04:29:28.460 our gods draw out of that to create

04:29:37.880 where does Odin reach down to draw up the rooms he draws them out of the Gap 0.98

04:29:47.540 and they form the ordered structure of the world Odinville and they destroy Ymir which is 0.94

04:29:56.720 the giant of chaos and chop him up and structure chaos into the world around us 0.89

04:30:05.920 fundamentally magic is harnessing chaos or disorder and shaping order from it

04:30:17.440 in that sense makes sense yes there's controlled chaos like a controlled burn

04:30:23.840 when you're you know trying to clear a field

04:30:30.320 but it's only a good idea under really specific circumstances by somebody who's an expert in

04:30:39.040 doing it so to someone who's an adept who's advanced at magical arts who's a gothi perhaps

04:30:52.640 who's a fit key who's a master of things infusing chaos into something in order to

04:31:01.920 shake something up or to cause like the concept is sound objective

04:31:10.320 but it's subjective once we say that then it's really really easy to just let your freak flag

04:31:18.640 fly and let all the chaos in because no no no just wait i'm doing something productive here i promise

04:31:26.080 it's really really easy so we don't want to endorse that if that makes sense

04:31:34.720 like i get the science of that and some of that is true in a really select circumstance

04:31:41.840 but when we say that's okay then

04:31:44.240 And the path from that to complete degeneracy is much, much shorter than I think we want

04:31:55.460 to admit.

04:31:56.900 So fundamentally, yes, that makes sense.

04:32:01.020 Practically, no, we should kind of try to not do that.

04:32:05.640 Because chaos happens enough.

04:32:08.740 Despite our best efforts, chaos occurs in our life.

04:32:13.220 shaping that little bit of chaos into order, that's the challenge. That's what we really need

04:32:20.040 to perfect. It's like when you're working out with rest days. I don't schedule rest days

04:32:25.620 because rest days happen. You get sick, you travel, stuff comes up. The more you start

04:32:34.200 scheduling rest days, the more you start having lots and lots and lots of excuse for rest days.

04:32:39.780 That may be extending the metaphor in an odd way, but it is what came to mind.

04:32:47.440 It's what happens when we're four and a half hours into DNS.

04:32:54.280 Are Jormungandr and Fenrir evil or misunderstood, or could they be both?

04:33:00.900 No, they're evil. They're on the bad guy's team.

04:33:03.640 It really is that simple. It sounds childish. It's not.

04:33:06.980 they're bad they're forces of chaos they're on one side we're on the opposite side it is

04:33:16.820 absolutely not clear when you start trying to make it less clear than that you make excuses

04:33:23.540 for degeneracy you make excuses for evil we don't do that

04:33:28.580 question for matt and trent has the afa thought about taking a page from other modern religions

04:33:40.160 like scientology by targeting and recruiting popular cultural figures not saying tom cruise

04:33:47.240 famous uh trent thoughts uh short answer is what i thought about i don't know uh but currently no

04:33:57.260 we don't do that because afa has its own reputation we are the big dog uh we are also true

04:34:04.320 someone like survive the jive or um paul wagner or hammer and vajra could come to us and of course

04:34:14.040 we welcome all three of those guys as far as i'm aware they're all they're all good dudes um

04:34:19.700 but we're not going to go to them and seek them out you know and i i just don't think we have

04:34:25.900 reason to um so hasn't been thought about yeah no i think a lot of us like man that's really cool

04:34:36.060 you know because we one thing

04:34:40.780 so the uh ermine folk myth that we are cartel funded and i wish we were cartel funded we would

04:34:50.460 pay off njortzhoff easy we pay off sigerheim easy um it would be awesome if i could live in an escobar

04:35:02.940 like mansion on uh sigerheim it's just not the reality we do as our law speaker alan has said

04:35:12.380 a number of times and we do a dollar's worth of work on a nickel um we are able to stretch

04:35:24.380 the limited funds that we have really well because we've got a lot of devoted people

04:35:29.180 putting in a lot of themselves we're very blessed we're very thankful for everything we have

04:35:35.340 but it's a struggle to accomplish the things that we have

04:35:38.300 um so yeah of course we're like man if uh you know if a multi-millionaire were in the afa and

04:35:48.700 they wanted to give us you know this exposure that exposure this you know a million dollars

04:35:55.100 here a million dollars there man if you're making 50 million dollars a movie and you give us a

04:35:59.980 million it's not a big deal to you but you know if i had a million dollars right now

04:36:05.660 Now, we'd pay off Njortzhoff, we'd pay off Sigerheim, and we'd probably be able to build

04:36:14.680 or to buy, you know, we'd definitely be able to buy and pay off Braeshoff immediately.

04:36:22.780 That's huge for us.

04:36:24.080 It wouldn't really make a big difference to, you know, The Rock or something.

04:36:28.500 But then we'd have a half black, half Samoan dude. 1.00

04:36:31.400 So that's not really what we're trying to do. 0.94

04:36:33.320 The thing realistically with a celebrity, like Trent said, there's practical things and then there's doing the right thing.

04:36:44.340 We are interested in doing the right thing.

04:36:47.960 We try to be as practical as we can.

04:36:50.440 We have to do certain things to keep the lights on.

04:36:53.900 But no, we're not going to go out and try to seduce celebrities in order to leech off of them. 0.95

04:37:02.300 that's not what we're about it would be great if some celebrities of our folk wanted to embrace

04:37:09.260 house the true and chose to be generous while doing so that would be awesome even if they

04:37:15.740 didn't want to be generous if they just wanted to you know as a platform encourage other people to

04:37:23.340 to come home to Alistair. That would be great. But to

04:37:27.300 go out and to try to target them, to use

04:37:31.280 them that way, that's sinister in a way

04:37:35.400 that isn't what we're about and isn't what we're trying to do.

04:37:39.800 But we would love to have people of celebrity

04:37:42.720 and anything else come home to Alistair if it's their birthright.

04:37:47.060 Absolutely. There's a lot of things that

04:37:51.120 tactically you know surely people have thought about doing that we don't because they're not

04:37:56.640 necessarily the right thing to do and the other thing is in the political climate that we're in

04:38:05.280 it would be very difficult for somebody very high profile

04:38:08.800 to go all in and be very public joining a house of truth

04:38:14.480 um it's just not the current what's what's cool to those kind of hollywood folks

04:38:21.120 And in order to have money and amplification of our message, isn't worth violating our

04:38:34.600 core principles to do so.

04:38:37.180 And that's what that would take in the world we currently live in.

04:38:41.220 So of course, people have thought about it, but that's not really where we're going to

04:38:46.940 focus our efforts.

04:38:48.880 From the Wolf Throne, what do you think of the argument Odin swore an oath to never

04:38:55.980 drink if Loki is not served?

04:38:59.100 I hear a lot in caps of universalists as a way to justify Loki worship.

04:39:06.520 Trent, what are your thoughts?

04:39:09.660 Universalists are by and large, by and large, to quote the law speaker, in all seriousness

04:39:16.500 though they are functionally atheists they don't actually practice asa true they don't

04:39:22.660 otherwise they wouldn't insert their like their political leanings that have existed for less

04:39:28.400 than 10 years into it um but yeah odin did swear that oath and then loki functionally broke that 0.99

04:39:37.540 oath by killing balder and i don't it's i i don't know a nice word it's stupid and just 0.99

04:39:47.020 disingenuous and intellectually dishonest and they know they're being dishonest when they make that 1.00

04:39:52.420 argument they know and they don't care because they don't care about the ice here they don't 0.74

04:39:55.320 care about asa true they care about like looking fat on twitter which they can do with or without

04:40:01.480 austin true uh i don't know i have nothing good to say about him and that that argument is so 0.99

04:40:08.200 blatantly stupid and pathetic and i can smell it from here through the computer screen 0.98

04:40:14.760 ah that is a foul foul odor indeed um here's the third i don't think that's real 1.00

04:40:25.400 universalists aren't real they aren't also true they don't genuinely worship our gods

04:40:36.980 they're looking for ways to be different or edgy or whatever virtue signal they think is cool

04:40:46.560 in their group of very very confused and very damaged people

04:40:53.280 um oaths work two ways and

04:41:02.320 it's different if you are trying to do also true like a book report or if you're practicing it as

04:41:09.280 a real religion with real gods that you believe in i get like ah but there's this obscure point

04:41:18.160 in the lore yes but during the course of that as an oath blood brother to odin loki engineers the

04:41:30.720 death of odin's son that violates any agreement that they had you see throughout the entire rest

04:41:41.280 of the corpus of our lore the enmity between the isir and loki you see it played out through

04:41:50.560 ragnarok and everything else you see uh

04:41:57.600 vauley and vidar born specifically to avenge things that loki puts in place

04:42:05.920 it's not a real question to any fair understanding of our lore that there's some kind of no but

04:42:19.600 Loki's okay he's not Valium Vidar would not exist if he was 0.98

04:42:28.060 that's not a real argument it's an excuse put up by people who are very mentally ill 0.81

04:42:38.380 and often very physically ill um mentioned this before we had a

04:42:45.580 there was a day and age when folkish ausitru or ausitru was in competition with

04:42:57.100 universalist house and there's some kind of crossover and that day's really

04:43:04.960 coming on where that's not the case at all one of the things that an

04:43:10.420 organization called the trophy do is it have this thing trophy since 2020 that's

04:43:17.860 been all virtual as far as I know and they had a virtual truth move that

04:43:25.240 someone we knew decided to

04:43:29.480 get a ticket to and and watch

04:43:34.760 and he sent a couple of screenshots

04:43:38.520 and that's the whole brady bumps thing of all these little

04:43:41.800 sections of the screen with the different people who are there in attendance

04:43:47.320 i use the term people loosely

04:43:49.000 um these folks

04:43:53.620 so there's a part of me that wants to just make fun

04:44:00.400 but realistically it was really sad and kind of sickening and disturbing

04:44:09.040 you look at these people every one of them looks unwell

04:44:18.240 they look mentally deranged they look forically deranged most and this was most of them this

04:44:26.480 wasn't a few cherry-picked people of their group of like 20 people that were on this call they were 0.98

04:44:34.080 all androgynous 0.95

04:44:40.800 morbidly obese crazy-eyed very very unwell individuals 0.93

04:44:50.640 and it's gratifying because we're on the other team but it's also really sad because these are 0.94

04:44:58.720 people of our stock of our folk that are so badly mentally ill and they represent much more of our

04:45:13.760 people than we want to admit but no that's just an excuse for bad behavior so many people who fall 0.76

04:45:22.560 in that category choose some form of paganism as an excuse for degeneracy and it's gross and uh

04:45:37.120 yeah i don't think it's a genuine argument that they put forth also from the wolf throne

04:45:43.840 why was frayer depicted with an erect dot dot dot you know so trent what are your thoughts

04:45:54.080 about the depiction of fray in that uh in that manner well when i'm mommy and daddy love each

04:46:03.040 other very much uh no it's it's it's just a symbol of fertility uh the and it seems really

04:46:10.000 crude and crass to us and you know that is what it is just the way we are nowadays kind of

04:46:19.040 some things are crude and then sometimes that same thing is like you know only celebrated if it's

04:46:27.520 in front of kids at a pride parade for some reason uh but no to our ancestors it was just

04:46:33.360 a symbol of fertility and virility and masculine power that's all

04:46:44.080 yeah it's really what it is and it's not

04:46:52.480 we live in the social norms that we have and in this day and age i understand

04:46:57.280 and that's improper and polite society but on the most natural and fundamental way 0.84

04:47:07.720 a large and erect penis is the most primal symbol of male might in all things infertility 0.56

04:47:21.280 in virility and just you know the pinnacle of manly power is displayed in that you see um 0.76

04:47:34.160 in some of the rock art in sweden the only distinguishing figures sometimes you have

04:47:41.040 like the indication of long hair for women but it's stick figures what's funny because

04:47:49.200 i do not have prominent calves sometimes you'll have drawn on calves on the stick figures 0.98

04:47:55.920 and the only other distinguishing feature is you have an erect penis on the male fingers and you 0.99

04:48:04.640 know despite it being 2024 boys have a penis girls have a vagina that's the symbol of that 0.99

04:48:16.960 of masculinity is that member in its full full expression and that's what you see depicted in 0.98

04:48:28.160 the depictions of prey has anyone brought a modern weapon like a gun or a knife to a blow

04:48:38.400 So, absolutely.

04:48:40.580 Trent, do you have anything to offer on that?

04:48:44.860 Yeah.

04:48:45.780 For a mentor finding at Thornton, for example,

04:48:51.540 Witten's Fond or Witten Young, I guess,

04:48:53.620 depending on who's officiating nowadays,

04:48:57.380 will allow people to bring in their hunting rifles

04:49:01.780 or hunting knives to be blessed

04:49:03.920 because it's a bloat to Uller

04:49:05.120 and he's the god of winter and the hunt and all that.

04:49:08.400 Uh, something we started doing too, that I got from either Goethe Stamm or Witten Fassett,

04:49:14.720 one of those two, uh, is we have a knife at Njordshof now that, uh, when the men and

04:49:20.460 women separate before bloat, as the ladies bless the mead, the men pass the knife around

04:49:25.760 and sort of do the heart and a hand to horn, but it's with the knife to sort of feel the

04:49:30.580 weight of, uh, the duty of manhood and being the protector and the provider and all that.

04:49:35.520 so yeah there's uh it happens we had someone bring uh an ak-47 to their uh to a wedding at

04:49:46.000 thor soft because that was um the weapon they chose to represent their duty to protect the family

04:49:52.920 so yeah it happens yeah i've been at uh quite a few bloats um sometimes as a feature of the bloat

04:50:03.480 other times we just have guys that happen to be armed uh with sidearms after bloat yeah yeah that

04:50:10.760 been in bloat where guys just have a pistol in their holster

04:50:13.880 whatever doing the bloat i've been at bloats where swords are involved i've been in bloats where

04:50:20.600 knights knives are involved um been at bloats where you know rifles again weapons blessing

04:50:30.520 at uhler's bloat um the gifting of rifles and and or handguns at weddings or at uh you know coming

04:50:45.480 of age ceremonies we've had all of those things and it might look different um i know that this

04:50:52.440 is from finn wraith and you're in a different country i don't know what the rules are there

04:50:56.360 this might sound odd or different depending on what country you're in but that's not odd

04:51:03.400 in a lot of parts of the united states specifically in rural spots or in

04:51:12.440 spots that aren't

04:51:18.760 the coastal cities of the west coast and the upper uh east coast

04:51:23.880 so outside of liberal bastions it's very common in the united states we have a right to bear arms

04:51:33.760 here and that's exercised in astro blokes over here from time to time when it's appropriate

04:51:40.020 actual question big events let's say winter nights should we wear a nice suit i see some

04:51:50.040 leadership looking like upstanding gentlemen. Trent, speak on this.

04:51:57.780 First of all, don't you know, this is a hate sign. You shouldn't do this.

04:52:03.960 Yeah, you should absolutely dress nice. The ladies should wear dresses, 1.00

04:52:07.920 the men should wear suits, or if you have a cultural suit like thing, 0.85

04:52:12.880 if you're a German descent, want to wear a lederhosen or you're a Scotsman and

04:52:16.800 wear a kilt things like that absolutely because uh so i don't know about everybody's christian

04:52:23.120 background obviously when i was a mormon and uh even before i was a deacon for the mormons when

04:52:28.880 i would go to church i had to wear a suit and it wasn't ever explicitly stated they wouldn't stop

04:52:34.080 me from coming in if i wasn't wearing a suit but it was implied that if you're bringing yourself

04:52:39.520 before uh jehovah you would wear a suit and i it stands to reason that if you know sweaty desert

04:52:50.320 deity is worthy of me wearing a suit then the high and holy ice here are absolutely worthy

04:52:58.480 yeah absolutely you should dress your best um

04:53:04.320 it is odd to me than anybody would think that you shouldn't

04:53:09.520 you are coming together to approach one of the literal gods of your people

04:53:21.440 if you wear a suit to court if you wear a suit to a wedding if you wear a suit to

04:53:29.840 any other formal gathering if you wear a tie to a job interview

04:53:35.280 how much more ought you dress your best

04:53:39.900 when you are approaching the gods of your folk

04:53:42.920 sometimes people have an aversion

04:53:49.680 because they associate it with church

04:53:51.680 but we throw the baby out with the bath water too much

04:53:55.020 that's not in the Bible 1.00

04:53:56.800 that's not how ancient Jews used to dress 0.80

04:54:00.200 it's the concept that modern white people 0.88

04:54:04.680 When they worship and practice religion, they wear their best. 0.52

04:54:11.840 They present their very best self to their God or gods because that's what you do.

04:54:21.040 A tie and a suit have nothing to do with Abrahamism, with Jewishness, with the desert, with the Bible.

04:54:30.740 Absolutely nothing.

04:54:32.040 throughout the entirety of our worship of our gods our people dressed their best

04:54:40.120 that's always what you do because you want to impress and because it's an important occasion

04:54:49.100 if you would dress fancy to go to a fancy dinner why wouldn't you dress fancy to come before your

04:54:56.300 gods and you know as a question it's why trent and i are dressed nicely right now because we're

04:55:04.300 representing our gods in this broadcast and we want to look our best

04:55:11.900 so we would encourage everybody to dress the very best

04:55:17.020 absolutely every bloat we do like the one occasion that i don't

04:55:23.500 is bigger bloat at sigerheim because it's outside we have no buildings or anything with ac

04:55:32.700 i run hot i felt really bad i had to conduct bloat wearing a tank top and shorts

04:55:40.380 and i sweated all the way through all the layers of my clothing every inch of the tank top and the

04:55:47.740 shorts was soaked through with my own sweat because it was just that human knot

04:55:55.580 don't endorse that i feel a little bit bad about it

04:56:00.460 but as best as you can dress your best do what you can nobody's going to kick you out unless

04:56:07.500 you're doing something that's overtly offensive but absolutely you should wear a suit and tie if

04:56:12.540 if you're addressing your doubts.

04:56:21.780 Matt, what is your favorite house true holiday

04:56:23.920 and why is it winter nights?

04:56:26.280 So Nick, that's a, or a wolf throne asked that.

04:56:30.200 It's a funny question because it's not.

04:56:35.160 Or if you ask me objectively, I wouldn't say that it is.

04:56:39.560 Like, hey, Matt, what's your favorite house true holiday?

04:56:41.560 i always say yule is because all the little trappings and the extra stuff

04:56:50.600 that seems cooler to me and it is all of the fun other yule time stuff

04:56:59.960 but the ritual itself at winter nights the de-sear bloat itself is the most profound

04:57:09.880 that i've ever been a part of and i've been part of some other bloats that are really really

04:57:15.000 powerful and i don't take anything away from that but i think one of the reasons that it's um the

04:57:22.920 de-sear blood at winter nights is it's so visceral it's such a tangible connection

04:57:32.040 with people that I've known and I know

04:57:40.520 other people may experience it different I'm sure they do when they think about their de-seer

04:57:52.200 they may think about women in ages gone by that maybe they've never met or heard stories of or

04:57:59.120 or whatnot in winter nights i've always in the de-sear blow i've always you know called out for

04:58:14.560 um my grandmother or my mother this last time

04:58:19.760 and it's profound because i knew them i know them

04:58:28.000 like i knew them when they were here with me physically all of my senses are engaged i'm not

04:58:36.980 imagining someone i'm not trying to put form to a thought or a feeling

04:58:45.820 time like I tell the story about how my grandmother was with me at Winter Nights you know 10 years 15

04:58:54.700 years after she died at the time you know right before she passed I know what her old lady body

04:59:09.940 felt like when i gave her a hug like i know where her head set in relation to my head i know what

04:59:18.340 and this sounds like i know what her hair smelled like i know how that felt

04:59:29.060 and i was able to experience that again for a minute um

04:59:32.260 um like standing with my mom in uh this last winter nights by her grave in the circle

04:59:44.320 like I know my mom I lived 41 years with my mom I saw my mom months before this

04:59:53.200 and i know what that feels like on all of my senses and it was right there so it's so

05:00:03.360 tangible and so visceral and so real and i think that's why that ritual is as powerful to me as it

05:00:11.400 is um and i i know my mom and i know my grandma loves me and i love them and that's

05:00:20.920 it cuts through any of the imagery that we have to use or any of the ritual or any of the

05:00:31.000 anything else it speaks to the very very primal and it goes past all of the reasoning and all

05:00:39.800 of the thought and it connects really deeply and I think that's why that it's the way it is

05:00:47.440 Can you square the circle of how universalist pagans claim Alcetru is for everyone and the

05:00:56.740 lore teaches that and at the same time claiming our ancestors were racist? Like, which one is it?

05:01:06.900 Trent, square that circle.

05:01:09.360 I'll do my best.

05:01:10.160 uh so by their definition um yes our ancestors were racist i i suppose keep in mind though

05:01:20.300 that's pretty much just an anti-white slur at this point um our ancestors certainly were

05:01:26.920 exclusionary they were folkish to use a better more accurate term and it wasn't uh a hateful

05:01:33.200 thing you know what i mean it wasn't and just like it's not now it wasn't this idea that the

05:01:39.580 isir are the only gods and we are the only ones allowed to worship them and everyone else has no

05:01:45.260 gods and must be atheists every racial group has their gods and that's part of why we stress 0.92

05:01:52.220 calling our gods the isir because there are other gods they're just not our gods and the isir

05:01:58.020 belong to us or we belong to them rather um let me read the rest of the question because i went

05:02:04.800 off on a tangent uh yeah no i think i answered it well enough austro is not for everyone there

05:02:16.900 is a religion for everyone there's you know look at your ethnicity and go from there or

05:02:22.120 pick one of the funny universalist faiths um again it's like the question earlier that's

05:02:33.160 not real um universalists they're not how such you are they're not people of faith in general

05:02:42.040 they're just picking something that they think looks cool or sounds cool

05:02:48.040 and i say that as a as a sweeping generalization surely there's some people that are just very very

05:02:54.040 confused but there's a lot of people that just want to check the other box

05:03:03.320 and i think that's what that is um for a long time alsatru and and other uh pagan faiths

05:03:13.720 defined themselves by how they weren't christian like how different they were from conventional

05:03:23.000 religion they weren't about anything they were just about not being christian and that's not

05:03:33.160 what we do and that's not who we are that's why we're not heathens we're not pagans we're

05:03:38.520 house a true we're not defining ourselves by our non-christianity we're defining ourselves

05:03:46.040 by our loyalty to the isere any honest understanding of our lord or history or anything else there's

05:03:58.820 always been an in-group preference there's always been a preference towards your people

05:04:07.300 your clan your tribe your folk

05:04:13.460 that's undeniable

05:04:18.420 those arguments the reason that they're hard to argue against is they're not real they don't really

05:04:25.060 believe that they don't really think that it's just an excuse for them to not conform

05:04:32.260 to the patriarchy or whatever else nonsense they want to say um

05:04:41.300 so was odin using loki as like a controlled burn for asgard

05:04:46.820 trent do you follow this uh i get what he's saying the answer is no uh odin trusted loki

05:04:56.200 and loki betrayed that trust it's the same as when the afa uh ordain uh not ordains uh thankfully

05:05:04.640 uh oaths a folk builder and then later they uh try and they break that oath and they

05:05:11.760 try and do something heinous to us it's not a controlled burn thing no loki was not like a

05:05:18.780 purposeful way to set off all the events uh the all father was actively trying to stop ragnarok

05:05:25.860 or get out in front of it as best he could uh not he was not an accelerationist or whatever

05:05:32.360 Yeah, that's a misunderstanding. Our gods are immensely powerful. We don't believe that they

05:05:48.240 are all powerful over all the things. There is struggle that our gods have to engage in.

05:05:56.720 there's stakes there are things that have to happen um and that's kind of an important point

05:06:04.680 if your god is omnipotent and you know controls all things and all things are your god's will

05:06:15.340 it it takes a lot out of stuff and it frames things really differently

05:06:23.260 one of the things about

05:06:27.020 so i a friend of mine i went to school with

05:06:33.500 he was real big on jesus and you know thanking jesus for all the things like any good thing that

05:06:42.820 happens in your life you need to thank jesus i'm like okay well if every good thing is because of

05:06:49.320 will of jesus then is every bad thing also because the will of jesus because of power

05:06:56.760 well yes and i'm like well if when you win an award you're like you know thank you jesus

05:07:05.800 for giving me this award for all this stuff and it's not due to your own merit then if 0.85

05:07:11.240 you trip and fall down the stairs why aren't you like damn it jesus like he pushed you 0.91

05:07:16.920 and it confounded him because i was watching the logic thing happen in his head 0.96

05:07:23.480 that's how that works no our gods are part of a system they function within

05:07:30.220 um odin is immensely wise he does not know everything if he did it would negate

05:07:41.560 the entirety of our Lord. He seeks wisdom, but there's challenge. There's struggle. That principle

05:07:52.200 of struggle is fundamental to our gods, to our folk, to everything that we do. Again, victory

05:07:58.160 never sleeps. There's no like, aha, I've got it. Now I can sit here and be all of the things. No,

05:08:07.240 it's a constant effort the all father is constantly seeking more wisdom more power

05:08:14.120 more mastery more all of the more so that we can advance and spiral upward

05:08:22.440 um none of our lore treats loki or it treats loki as any sort of controlled burn or

05:08:34.840 or intentional injection of chaos.

05:08:38.560 If anything, it's an admonition against allowing chaos

05:08:42.640 into your inner circle.

05:08:48.880 Trent, are you familiar with Julius Evola's work

05:08:51.980 and do you have a favorite book?

05:08:54.740 I assume that means you have a favorite one of his books.

05:08:59.760 Yes, my favorite book is The Hungry Caterpillar.

05:09:03.020 Yeah, I'm familiar with Baron Evola.

05:09:05.940 My favorite would have to be Mystery of the Grail.

05:09:10.640 Incidentally, the copy I have was a Yule gift from the Ulsteria Gothi, oh wow, five or six years ago.

05:09:20.000 I'm not the king of Evolian scholarship or anything, but yeah, that one's definitely my favorite.

05:09:29.760 the the concepts of initiation in there and then the four treasures of the two of they donan and

05:09:34.960 all that is really really interesting uh revolt against the modern world will be a close second

05:09:40.800 because this is a classic the title gets used for all kinds of great memes and stuff and uh

05:09:48.400 it's got important points about uh the pontifex and something cool in there that we uh the gothar

05:09:54.720 had to read i think it was chapter two in that one it essentially explains how uh the

05:10:02.400 the arian priest of any arian faith is supposed to be the uh the bridge between man and god or

05:10:08.880 arian and eisir in our case and so that was uh really helpful to me in understanding some things

05:10:16.320 about being in gothi but long story short yes i have a few of his books i also have fascism viewed

05:10:23.920 from the right which i'm i have to reread because it went over my head the first time mystery of the

05:10:29.200 grill is my favorite what do you think of the saying odin is the all father not the some father

05:10:39.200 another thing people say to justify universalism trent i would ask that person if at birth they

05:10:48.640 took all the chromosomes instead of the correct number uh no it's not very nice oh

05:10:55.600 uh it's just one of those empty platitudes where they try and sound like the smartest guy in the 0.56

05:11:01.600 room with their room temperature iq and probable body odor i uh it's it's it's nothing it's piss

05:11:09.200 in the wind excuse my language again no it it really is though again any of those arguments

05:11:14.960 i don't think they're real i don't think that's even thought out um how horribly

05:11:26.480 how racist is that so woke universalist

05:11:33.280 the nordic like white man god is the god of all the all the races not just 1.00

05:11:41.600 not just some of them so screw you and your indigenous religion your stuff doesn't count 0.99

05:11:47.440 only the white man's gods count that's ridiculous another thing if if a thing if you have a if there's 0.99

05:11:59.520 a quote like that and the only way i can imagine you saying it is going um actually i'm pushing 0.99

05:12:04.800 your glasses up your nose then you're just wrong out of out of pure it is it's just some nonsense

05:12:11.520 that they throw out there and it's not real so it explains really clearly in uh the guilt forgetting

05:12:20.640 why he's called the all-father and he's the all-father because he is the father of the gods

05:12:27.040 and they look to him and serve him like children to a father and i think that's exactly how they

05:12:32.800 put it and i can try to get the exact quote here but it explains that really clearly he is the

05:12:39.280 father of the gods it's not claimed that he's the father of all earth fauna that's not how that works

05:12:47.680 he is the father of the iser and we have our creation story that tells us that he and his 0.62

05:12:54.400 brothers gave us the gift of the gifts of life um but that's silly and it's just a really silly

05:13:07.360 surface like bumper sticker approach to also true that just doesn't it's not borne out by any of the

05:13:17.680 rest of our world but it gives them something to battle the evil racists and purity spiral

05:13:27.760 to their woke friends about and it's just like all those other arguments i don't think it's fair it's

05:13:33.520 not a well-meaning or a fair argument if you want to be a universalist then you need to reject

05:13:40.800 ousetre you need to reject native american religion you need to reject shinto you need to

05:13:48.800 reject uh native african religion you need to reject judaism if you want if you genuinely

05:13:57.760 believe that universalism is the right thing to do then you need to be practicing christianity or 0.93

05:14:05.200 islam the rest is just dishonest and it's cultural appropriation of everybody else's 0.93

05:14:13.840 gods and what they hold sacred and if it was done to anyone else that wasn't white 0.98

05:14:19.840 those universalists would be grossly offended by it

05:14:22.720 uh would the AFA accept membership from a white person who grew up in a 0.98

05:14:28.720 black neighborhood talks with a hood accent and uses slang 0.98

05:14:35.800 I'm just going to take this

05:14:41.020 yes we've had a number of members

05:14:44.800 um very often uh skinhead members that's exactly how they came up and where they started out at

05:15:00.940 we would encourage them to change that behavior um but that's something that's caused friction

05:15:09.580 i think a lot specifically within this last year in the afa

05:15:17.420 is a lot of folks that

05:15:22.700 were participating in urban basically urban black gang culture but with different tattoos and

05:15:35.660 uh different musical tastes and that's something you know everybody starts from whatever background

05:15:42.620 they start with we get that we'd like to aspire to be something better and encourage our folk to

05:15:49.580 be something better and that causes a lot of friction that want to from people who would

05:15:56.780 like to stay in their comfort zone if that's what their comfort zone is we've seen that not just

05:16:03.660 with that but especially on the west coast the difference between some people in west coast

05:16:10.460 skinhead culture and you know la hispanic gang culture it looks really really similar sometimes

05:16:22.860 and so we we'd like to encourage all our people to be their very best selves no matter where you 0.88

05:16:28.140 start from you can improve and be better but it does take courage to break out of out of those

05:16:33.900 kind of habits um how do you help people get past the pacifist teachings of an early christian

05:16:43.980 childhood having it drilled into their minds from a young age that taking a life is never okay

05:16:50.220 and it's not up to us to decide who lives or dies only god uh trent what are your thoughts on that

05:16:58.140 Ah, we typically don't have to help people get past that too much.

05:17:04.300 If they've wandered in, so to speak, to Asatru, they probably got here from, man, Vikings sure are cool when they kill people with an axe.

05:17:13.640 So we we typically don't have to do that. 0.74

05:17:17.280 I would say if we did, though, it would just be a matter of explaining, you know, that's not how life works.

05:17:24.200 Our gods are good, but they are not necessarily going to come save you from every altercation you might get in.

05:17:34.180 Violence is a necessary thing at times.

05:17:43.000 Yeah, I think that's.

05:17:48.640 I think life does that on its own.

05:17:54.200 I think that what we can do is a response to that.

05:18:03.240 So life does that on its own in extreme circumstances, call for extreme actions and behaviors.

05:18:11.300 It's how we digest those.

05:18:13.960 One of the most damaging things I've seen specifically to our veterans is them coming back from combat, having to take lives for their country, and then having this flagellation of trying to deal with the guilt of doing things that in any other time and place,

05:18:43.220 we would celebrate them as heroes that mental gymnastics i think has damaged a lot of our

05:18:52.020 people that have seen combat and have come back very very broken because i think in large part our

05:18:59.860 cultural context that it's put in i don't advocate that we be murderous or violent

05:19:16.180 or unnecessarily disregard the consequence of taking human life of course not but

05:19:23.940 But we're in a day and age where things happen and where once the warrior was celebrated

05:19:32.940 and honored for difficult things they had to do that involved undertaking the lives

05:19:39.620 of enemies, now they are almost encouraged to live in shame with that for their existence.

05:19:51.100 And I've seen a whole lot of unhealthy manifestations of that. 0.99

05:19:58.800 I don't think that's fair-minded of Christian parents to teach their children, 1.00

05:20:05.420 because we've never seen that in the history of Christianity. 1.00

05:20:09.460 If you read your Bible, it is full of death and battle and conflict.

05:20:18.020 If you look at any stage in Christianity outside of maybe the lives of the apostles, death and violence and life-taking was a reality in the ancient world in harsh times and harsh situations.

05:20:39.860 and that's seen today and it creates a really unhealthy paradigm for our soldiers who go out

05:20:49.700 and have to fight and it's really easy i think for the majority of people in the united states

05:20:57.780 right now because we happen to be in a window of peace but that's been the anomaly in the

05:21:05.620 history of our folk not the norm and i think if you look at a different time in a different place

05:21:13.380 you have a lot of russian and ukrainian christians right now that are well acquainted with taking

05:21:20.740 lives that have to go through that same very odd gymnastics that i think is probably

05:21:28.820 put in a very different context where they live. I think it's a,

05:21:35.380 I don't know, a benefit we take for granted in the very civilized situation that we live in.

05:21:47.180 And it's not something that we should embed in the hearts of our people.

05:21:53.320 Yeah, that's a, it's complex, but I think it's one of those opinions that other people

05:22:07.620 who have gone out there and been willing to take lives have created a situation where

05:22:14.700 other people can philosophize about pacifism,

05:22:19.720 but from the safety of their air conditioned homes

05:22:24.500 in a peaceful place where they have all the things

05:22:28.220 they want and need.

05:22:30.580 I think if we lived in a debt, 0.99

05:22:32.520 I don't think that Christians would have that argument 0.76

05:22:35.120 or anyone would have that argument

05:22:38.000 if we were closer to our daily needs not being met.

05:22:43.000 met so i don't think it's a very honest thing to do and i think it's a terrible thing to do for

05:22:49.560 our men that put their lives on the line

05:22:57.160 and your question of how we break people with that i think that's reality that does that over

05:23:01.800 time and unfortunate in that most extreme case it's a very dramatic reality that brings that back

05:23:09.720 Yeah, just to add to the comments going on in chat from Ron over there, yes, I think

05:23:31.960 that's always been a really uncomfortable thing with Christianity towards Europeans. You did see

05:23:43.720 people try to cope with it in a myriad of different ways because, again, they're put in

05:23:51.100 this position and then they need to somehow atone for sins that didn't seem sinful at the time and

05:24:00.460 more necessities I think that um it's part of the unhealth of our folk soul is the middle

05:24:08.500 gymnastics that go with the tenets of Christianity 0.98

05:24:15.100 forcibly positioned or forcibly overlaid onto the folk soul of Aryan peoples and it's been

05:24:24.640 unhealthy and very damaging to veterans for centuries and i think that's that's absolutely

05:24:31.040 correct so what i thought might be only an hour show has turned out to be a five and a half hour

05:24:37.840 show thank you guys very much for your questions uh for your participation trent thank you very

05:24:45.440 much for joining us absolutely anybody wasn't here at the beginning uh we got two new house

05:24:52.800 true heroes we're celebrating with days of remembrance um we are celebrating king osric

05:25:00.560 of adaira on august the first and king anfrith of bernicia on february the first

05:25:13.840 and uh with that i look forward to talking to you guys again next week

05:25:18.640 where witness fawn harrell and i will go over the scaredness mile i believe and until then

05:25:29.760 hail the icer know the folk hail the afa and remember that victory never sleeps

05:25:48.640 We'll be right back.

05:26:18.640 Thank you.

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05:27:18.640 Thank you.

05:27:48.640 Thank you.

05:28:18.640 We'll see you next time.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - May 09, 2024

5⧸8⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 96 - King Osric & King Eanfrith

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