00:13:01.260Corresponding to the githya that has given so much of herself
00:13:05.000and continues to make Odenshof such an amazing place
00:13:08.920and such a powerful offering to the all-father um
00:13:18.600the thor's half flower gladiolus is the gladiolus
00:13:25.640um i love how each two with the um with it with the accompanying um you know virtues or uh
00:13:35.640um and these yeah these are thought out they got to be pretty but they also have meanings in the
00:13:41.640symbolic botanical world um baldur's off is the white lilac which i think is really fitting and
00:13:49.960nice and uh particularly fitting for njordshoff in the sunshine state of florida we have awesome
00:13:59.640which is pretty and fragrant so there you have that if you guys would like to follow along this
00:14:08.760evening we are uh once again doing the harbarth slow and we are using and here's the link we have
00:14:18.280up we're using the bellows translation um as always you're welcome to use whatever translation
00:14:23.700you like uh the little variances and differences are helpful and insightful to ponder why one
00:14:33.380you know one choice was chosen over the other and uh give you a few minutes to get that set
00:14:40.900up if you would like i say that we've already been talking probably give you a few seconds
00:14:44.580to get that set up and then i will get to the meat of today's program um
00:14:53.700Yeah, just last week was a really fun episode, and I want to just once again say thank you to everybody who regularly shows up, asks their questions, supports, and is a part of this program.
00:15:13.520It's very much an audience-driven program in a lot of ways.
00:15:17.300And we appreciate you guys checking us out and spending the evening with us once a week.
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00:15:33.400With that, Svon, would you like to get us into the text?
00:15:37.000I believe we are starting on stanza 41 this evening.
00:16:03.660yes. So the reason why I wanted to back check just a little bit is because we were on a point
00:16:08.740in this in which the insults are kind of less um pronounced in this part here the the insults are
00:16:19.700kind of insinuated and um uh you know lord odin in in harbarth form uh you know speaks of his
00:16:31.180you know in the host i was that hither fared the banners to raise and the spears to redden
00:16:36.420so he was stating about how he was within the it's it's not specified it's it's like kind of
00:16:46.580led to an alluding sense that he was within the throng of either humanity or possibly an unknown
00:16:54.260uh battle with for the einherjar it leaves a lot of questions to be um kind of brought up and i
00:17:01.640wanted to like double check and back log to that um so this part following that in 41
00:17:15.480thor speaks and says wilt thou now say that hatred thou soughtest to bring us
00:17:22.280so in incorrect like direction of the stanza before in 40 what this would mean is that um
00:17:39.240the storm father lord thor is saying that the the battle most likely was of like a heavenly nature
00:17:47.080and a divine nature and that it was one that brought upon or fraught the the heavenly realm
00:17:55.860with danger um some people try to take this part here and allude that somehow thor thinks that this
00:18:06.980is loki and i don't think that that is the case we already kind of covered that at length last
00:18:14.040episode about this where we were talking about how there is this um a very very um
00:18:21.080deep connection i think this story has to slavic counterparts and um this
00:18:28.840standing alone it it could be alluded to but when you look at the stanza before
00:18:34.360it's saying that you know i was amongst the throng i was amongst the army i wanted blood
00:18:39.960lost i wanted the blades to be red you know i wanted the banners high and thor is saying well
00:18:48.040well thou say that the hatred thou soughtest to bring us but there's another thing that's
00:18:53.640worth noting and it's actually noted in um down at the bottom of the website that we're using
00:19:01.080for the reference that um the other word used in the in the regius was sickness or illness
00:19:09.640and we went pretty heavy over um the usage of the word ill or um evil and things of that nature and
00:19:18.280um i'm still looking at the source of the word the word being uh only all louvian um
00:19:29.000as a as a source and i'm i'm running into some dead ends there so interesting word uh for folks to
00:19:36.440you know look into um but i believe that that's really what this is is that the the stirring of
00:19:43.560strife is a common uh mantle placed upon lord odin in the in the viking age um lord odin was
00:19:56.440specifically saw as or seen as in poetics as again the creator of of battles the creator of
00:20:06.760fights and um and this again being the animosity brought against us because of the of your stirring
00:20:15.840of strife so that i think is the ultimate insult there is that is or not the ultimate insult but
00:20:20.720ultimate insult he's trying to insinuate um and then harbard returns in 42 and he makes another
00:20:29.040kind of deeper alluding um he says in 42 a ring for thy hand shall make all right for thee
00:20:40.320as the judges decide who sets up to at peace so in return he's saying you know you're you're
00:20:48.080blaming me for strife that i've caused and all of the aftermath that that brings but don't worry
00:20:53.760you know i can pay you off um because true peace is really brought about by by just just as corrupt
00:21:02.240men or just as corrupt judges so the idea being that it's like it's uh stirring strife is no less
00:21:11.520a task than appeasing those who could be bribed. And again, that's alluding to that the Storm
00:21:24.120Father Lord for could be bought off. But he's also making kind of, again, a larger statement
00:21:29.960that, you know, many times what causes the strife can be just as cunning or conniving as what ends
00:21:39.040it um and then thor speaks where foundest thou so foul and scornful a speech more foul a speech
00:21:52.480i have never before have heard and harvard retorts in 44 he says i learned it from men
00:22:01.700the men so old who dwell in the hills of home now i didn't really know where to take that one
00:22:12.220and uh bellows kind of believes that the reference is the burial grounds and the burial grounds
00:22:20.140of so in essence he had learned it from the souls of men or he had learned it from the history of
00:22:27.440men um and that the hills of home is a a kenning for the grave mounds um and that would be a safe
00:22:37.520assumption um unless of course speaking to a specific reference to another poem but that we
00:22:45.200don't really know so that's why i wanted to kind of backtrack to 40 is to remind everyone he's
00:22:52.880saying like you know you're a stir of strife and you're unwilling to admit all of the pain and
00:22:56.480suffering that you've brought to us because of your stirring of strife and he's like don't worry
00:23:01.680about it with a ring in my hand i can i can or a ring you know and some money i can bring this to
00:23:06.560peace because oftentimes the peacemakers are just as crooked as the the stirrers of strife um and it
00:23:13.600was a shot at the integrity of lord thor and he then says you know like how where did you learn
00:23:22.640such like hateful and mean speech and he says you know i you know from the sons of men and
00:23:30.800uh where they dwell in the hill homes um and and that in and of itself too is like again
00:23:39.120the that's one little gleaning towards the necromatic nature of lord odin um and in in in
00:23:47.680And especially in the view of the way that our ancestors in Old Norse saw the gods, because we got to remember that the relationship between our ancestors in the Old Norse time frame, especially during the time that the poems were being written down, is kind of akin to the way the Greeks viewed the gods during the time of the philosophes.
00:24:10.660The philosophes were trying to decrease the religiosity of the priests at the time.
00:24:21.520I think that it could be with an argument that the philosophes did not like the standing religion, and they encouraged the declination of belief in the gods.
00:24:33.180And that's what ultimately led to the dramas that were being, um, kind of spread about and how they change from a divine nature to almost like a soap opera, um, or you, you hemorrize, you know, uh, dramatics that were meant to catch and, and were oftentimes very bombastic and, and strange.
00:24:55.880And so when people, especially like when I find with like Christians or they'll say like, well, how can you do this when your God does that or does this?
00:25:07.220And they're usually referring to these little snippets in in the lore.
00:25:11.260And it's too much to say, like, well, you don't understand, like this time frame and there was a declination in the faith or that the faith was changing or had already been, you know, cut into a well with a well organized church from from Rome.
00:25:29.300And there wasn't anything, you know, to facilitate against it in an organized sense, which, again, is another argument for organizing Ausatru and why we do that.
00:25:42.080But the way that we know our ancestors looked at Lord Odin and Lord Thor and Lord Tyr differently than, say, the Old Norse by the 12th to 13th and 14th century is pretty clear in the way that they kind of attach them or paint them into these
00:26:12.080um, poetic models, a stir of strife and, and so on and so forth. Or, uh, again, uh, the big one
00:26:20.920was about Thor being, uh, both strong and wise and was kind of always played on the idea that
00:26:28.440there's, there's far more wisdom behind the strength. And sometimes you see one story where
00:26:33.560he's just blatantly strong and not very wise. And then others where you see him as clearly wise and
00:26:39.020very strong so um yeah i think this is what's going on here and we have to be careful with
00:26:47.340that in our faith and understanding that when we read things like we're coming to it eventually
00:26:51.660we're coming to the locus sana and other things like that i really think that as an also true
00:26:58.300uh believer and person that we have to understand that these poems too were starting to
00:27:04.140get changed based off of the way that the folks viewed the gods um and that these that's why
00:27:13.500these aren't holy books they are kept around i think by divine um uh will that they were kept
00:27:22.940for a reason but the the actual every single line was not um dictated by the holy icer
00:27:31.580And you really, really start to see it in a lot of these, uh, poems. Um,
00:27:39.900so the last here, uh, uh, in 45, Thor speaks back, a name full good
00:27:48.260to heaps of stones thou givest when thou callest them hills of home. So you're doing,
00:27:58.000you're this is kind of again a reference to the strife building you're you're giving it a good
00:28:05.700name for the very thing that caused them to be buried which was the stirring of your strife
00:28:12.320is again the the ultimate meaning of this um exchange these insults so you you you you paint
00:28:22.700a colorful word when you're the source of the reason why they have found these homes
00:33:15.480Truth do I speak, but slow on thy way thou art.
00:33:20.920Far hadst thou gone, if now in the boat thou hadst fare.
00:33:26.940so in essence this you've stopped to trade barbs with me imagine how far you would have been
00:33:35.500if you had just kept your trap shut and uh you know had your own boat or
00:33:41.820or i had given you a ride or you know crossed somewhere else um
00:33:50.140um it's like i said this is it's just brutal it's uh um so we're in 51 and thor returns he says
00:34:06.620thou womanish harbarth so here uh actually that's a great point i wanted to to bring in
00:34:17.500there the usage of this um translation um to the word ragi it's r-a-g-i and i know some of the folks
00:34:27.740might be um looking up as well um let me see here um
00:34:47.500Let me see. We have some interest. So like ragather means like ragged or raggy. So this translation of womanish, I think, is an interesting, you know, usage of word.
00:35:11.900And I think this might actually be on bellows, because looking at cowardice, ragmali, it's ignominious, or charging one with being weak.
00:35:33.800um and i think that it's worth noting that the word uh ragi um i don't know if outside of perhaps
00:35:43.700the sources i have there might be some lending to it being used somewhere else in the sense that
00:35:50.840it's talking about um him being a womanish in the sense of um i guess not a not a brave man
00:36:02.260but the the the term um uh ragi tends to seem more of uh weak cowardly or raggedy again and
00:36:19.160that was used before so um so thor speaks that womanish harbarth here has thou held me too long
00:36:29.600And Harbarth retorts in 52, I thought not ever that Alsathor would be hindered by a ferryman thus from faring.
00:36:41.620And Thor retorts in 53, he says, one counsel I bring thee now.
00:36:48.200Row hither thy boat, no more of scoffing, set Magni's father across.
00:42:55.340you know it's not odin and the wife sitting on the couch watching love on the spectrum or whatever
00:43:05.940it's the mating and the pairing of divine forces of the earth and of consciousness to produce
00:43:17.760other divinity to further the creative forces in the universe and again all of that sounds
00:43:29.420like gobbledygook so we boil it down to something we do understand and we liken it to relationships
00:43:35.340we are familiar with but don't don't be misled our attempts to distill it to something that
00:43:43.280our minds can comprehend better doesn't limit what the gods do. We are limited by our ability
00:43:51.080to comprehend. We don't force the gods to fit the story arcs that we learned in ninth grade
00:44:00.700English class. We do those things to better understand the greatness of our gods. And it's
00:44:08.360important to realize that we get wrapped up in the imagery because the imagery strikes a chord
00:44:13.880in our soul it's beautiful to us and it's something that we know how to relate to on a emotional
00:44:21.240and primal level because we have that in our history we have that in our understanding of the
00:44:26.280world i'm under no illusion that you know if by the benevolence of our isere that
00:44:39.400ice have some glimpse of asgard one day that it's you know going to be
00:44:45.480wood shingled viking age you know long houses and people in chain mail and axes and swords
00:44:55.560i think it's much greater than that but the imagery of that speaks to our soul and it speaks
00:45:00.200to the deeper truth of the glory that that is it's likely going to look very very different
00:45:08.600and be very very different when we understand it that's why with continued practicing of the gift
00:45:15.160cycle and continued ability to see past the window dressing of the lore and into the greater truths
00:45:24.920of it hopefully we come to a better and more perfect understanding but it's very easy to get
00:45:32.600lost down these rabbit holes of trying to connect a fluid story through the various poetry on our
00:45:39.960lore some of which was written to instruct poets some of which was lit written to be entertaining
00:45:46.200in a lord's hall some of which was you know a faithful representation of um oral tradition over
00:45:54.040time and some are many of those things combined so don't get caught up in the detail see the bigger
00:46:04.360picture and the tapestry that's being laid out before you and that's the challenge for all of us
00:46:12.440yeah there's certain things too that when when i kind of um bridge gaps or see an under
00:46:23.800inspection and the kind of looking into things i i you know i would put forth for a lot of the
00:46:30.520viewers too to remember that um lord odin is is one but he is also three and the idea of this
00:46:40.680dynamicism between himself as an as a divine being um i've always kind of taken the birthing
00:46:50.200of the children of lord odin um in specifics to thor balder and valley um in relation to
00:47:00.120the the the tripartite within the tripartite that is lord othen um is an interesting kind of
00:47:09.160um consideration but yeah if you overanalyze it to the point where it's
00:47:14.120it becomes almost marvel-esque when people try to say well if that's his mom and that's
00:47:20.760the half-sister of the brother and it gets a little gets a little wild um and again these
00:47:28.840These are the kind of people that try to utilize the usage of the word race in relation to like the Jotuns and the Aesir as if they're some completely different race.
00:47:42.200But again, you know, you see that the linkage there elsewhere throughout the lore.
00:47:48.060But again, I don't I don't think that I mean, it's worth noting that our our continental Germanic ancestors looked at the gods almost without a lot of the interacting and exchanges that these stories have and that these may have developed because of coming and understanding certain stories that were passed on, but became more intricate and with a lot more flair and flavor to entertain the crowd.
00:48:17.360to exude the kind of the way that the gods
00:54:13.100in a battle rap competition that's just...
00:54:17.100and that's the thing don't get too lost in the details or worry about that over much if you look
00:54:26.260at the detail work all of the points of reference very much line up with uh with odin much more than
00:54:37.380they would line up with loki the only thing that makes it seem like loki is him being a jerk
00:54:42.380And I think that's, again, it's looking at this in a literary way, and I guess at best an anthropological way.
00:55:02.160I think you take certain motifs, and I believe the first person to have that theory or idea about it was Victor Reitberg.
00:55:12.380Um, and I think that he had a lot of insight and did a lot of really cool things, but I also, he wasn't ausitrum. He wasn't trying to faithfully develop a closer understanding of our gods.
00:55:28.620he's fleshing out trying to make sense of a convoluted story arc in early medieval
00:55:37.440Norse literature and I think that's a very different different exercise if that makes sense
00:55:44.460I know that was a lot I hope that made sense and if it didn't please
00:55:48.720ask something to follow up if if it was confusing and I think it might have been
00:55:53.380Yeah, there's two points that I would like to bring up to that as well as one I think
00:56:07.320with every piece that we've been reading and the introductions and laying of positioning
00:56:13.460I think Snorty would have absolutely made it apparent at least in the beginning you
00:56:20.700know, prefixing the poem with Loki pretending to be Odin via Harbarth. I think that's consistent
00:56:32.740with all the other stories as well in which they show this. The other thing that's kind
00:56:37.020of interesting is the part where people really play into it is when Thor is saying to Loki
00:56:46.180that you know are where were you when we were being you know chased off by these she-wolves
00:56:51.380and he says oh i was in the throng i was in the host um and you know it's the the interpretation
00:56:56.900of that is like you were in the throng of the trolls or the jotuns that were kind of against
00:57:02.900us and that that can't be that can't be uh lord oh then that has to be loki uh because he's aligned
00:57:11.220a couple of things with that i would say it's interesting because the transference between
00:57:16.180the mentioning of the of the she-wolves and him speaking later about the the hill homes of men
00:57:26.340and the idea that i think there's a split there is that he was saying he was in the throngs of
00:57:33.060men causing war while uh lord thor was being chased and that fialfi was forced to run away
00:57:42.180not that those are correlated together especially because the usage of the word that the hill homes
00:57:48.100of men um and so in essence i was stirring strife in in the world of men so monk over in the chat
00:57:57.540said uh battle rap seriously and i wanna yes i was being a little bit whimsical but to give the
00:58:07.300audience especially the young folks something to relate to flightings were very much that perhaps
00:58:15.940not to a beat but they were very much like a insult competition back and forth sometimes in poetic
00:58:26.740verse and you see that a lot in uh in ale saga um very often he would do ridiculous things he'd be
00:58:37.300in the middle of some kind of conflict and then he spake a verse and it was very much that and
01:50:18.300And that's why I think that is, in short.
01:50:20.960Swan, do you have thoughts on that that you want to share?
01:50:24.320I think because one is politically advantageous
01:50:27.860and the other is politically disadvantageous.
01:50:32.420You know, we, we see them. It started with, you know, saying that sexuality was an orientation. And it became relative. And then the relativism created a group. And then that group was politically harnessed in a direction.
01:50:59.640the morality of it but separate from that i mean i think it's it's like
01:51:08.660it became politically advantageous and now it's become corporately advantageous and we talk about
01:51:15.060that all the time we see it on the internet people are you know joking about how these
01:51:18.500corporations are putting rainbow flags but their middle eastern ones don't have it's because
01:51:23.120it's corporately advantageous now, but I think the original inception of it was that it was
01:51:29.180politically advantageous. And again, that's because the MO of globalism or liberalism
01:51:38.360is that you need to create an oppressed class that will unite based off of whatever it may be.
01:51:46.980um for a minute there it was about marriage but that went away and now it's just again about
01:51:53.240uh their sexual desires what they're into their kinks as they you know i hate to use that word
01:52:01.620because it's so dumb but you know the thing is it's not though like you have a very
01:52:09.200the agenda to destabilize is much bigger than that you know i think very it's funny because
01:52:18.520if you ask somebody in a foreign country what percentage of americans are gay or transgender
01:52:23.700it's like 50 because if you watch our tv every couple is an interracial couple and
01:52:32.960every hero has to be a woman preferably a woman of color and you know 50 of couples at least if
01:52:43.520there are white couples or there's a white person involved in the couple need to be homosexual
01:52:50.080that doesn't represent the reality on the ground at all uh there's a big movement right now of
01:52:55.680homosexuals that are like hey you know i'm gay but this is way way too far like no we're not
01:53:02.720part of all this other stuff it keeps going further and further because like i said there's no
01:53:11.280point of satiation there's no amount of acceptance that fixes a very mentally damaged person when
01:53:20.400they're alone with themselves in the quiet of their thoughts or at night when the lights go out
01:53:26.720and it's just them and their demons there's no amount of us you know telling them that no they're
01:53:36.720really a girl even though that's not the reality of the situation none of that none of that fixes
01:53:44.880what is unfortunate about the political reality of it is very very damaged and vulnerable people
01:53:52.560who suffer from catastrophic mental illness are being exploited by
01:53:59.200political creatures that find it advantageous to support them when the cameras are on
01:54:04.880but at the end of the day we kind of all know we all know what's a girl and what's a guy
01:54:10.800we all know you know we all know how it's supposed to be and politically many of us have been cowed
01:54:18.560into you know you know what you're allowed to say in public and you're not but it doesn't
01:54:24.960change the reality and unfortunately there's a whole lot of people many of them children and
01:54:30.800young people that have made choices have made permanent choices that might be a lot less cool
01:54:38.800in a few years and unfortunately their choices they can't take back um
01:54:48.880switching things up from the wolf well also from the wolf throne
01:54:53.280do you feel a close connection to winter do you feel something in your soul when it snows
01:54:59.600i always get this feeling that's why winter is my favorite season you can take the hyperborean
01:55:05.520out of the out of hyperborea but you can't take hyperborea out of the hyperborean um
01:55:14.160i don't know that that is a fair question i do not know that that is my state of you know
01:55:21.200emanating from hyperborea ancestrally or the fact that i was born and raised in alaska yes when i
01:55:27.840see snow i feel a special fondness for winter and for snow but that's how i grew up that was
01:55:34.560my comfort zone when i grew up it was my favorite season when i was a kid a lot of memories and
01:55:40.400things tied up in that so i don't know if that is a inherent statement on our folk as a whole
01:55:46.880or just me because of where i come from and you because you're you're a uh well
01:55:54.000not sure where the wolf throne comes from uh svan what do you got do you have a special
01:55:59.760water for winter i i mean i think i'm at a again the same kind of point where i'm you know i'm from
01:56:06.320iceland but i can say i've been climatized to uh hot weather um over the years um where i live and
01:56:15.600where i've been in the world but yeah i would have to say the winter tidying is my my favorite but i
01:56:21.760really prefer the beginning of winter when everything starts to turn that is my favorite
01:56:27.360time of the year um but i do like you know summer tidying when everything starts to come out even
01:56:33.920when everyone's complaining about the pollen i love it but um you know the winter tide is my
01:56:39.360is my favorite time of the year 100 when everything starts to slow down and look inward
01:56:45.760question from finwraith if i remember correctly spawn served in the military i was wondering
01:57:00.720uh would he have any advice or tips on how to prepare for military service
01:57:05.920i'm supposed to start in like three or four weeks
01:57:08.720oh well if memory serves too that finreith is in finland yes um so cold weather training is going
01:57:18.960to be primary for you um so much so that actually um american soldiers and uh u.s marines go to
01:57:31.440finland for cold weather training um you know learn from the best um
01:57:38.640i know they do cross land things in norway as well especially with with um the skis and things
01:57:46.000like that but um i mean i would say if you're in the what we would call the dep program or
01:57:53.200the delayed entry program and you're due to go in for um you know basic training the one thing that
01:58:01.920i would really bestow upon you is to remember and it's kind of again the mode that we've been
01:58:07.760talking about this whole time is everything that they're doing in basic training is to make you
01:58:14.240stronger it's not um it you have to you have to reach down and find out who you are and they're
01:58:22.800going to do that to you i remember um like in the marines you know they would make us carry the cups
01:58:29.760from the chow hall like this and uh we so we had to hold one at the bottom of the top and walk
01:58:37.280to our to our uh um chairs and then later on i found out that's how you carry the canisters
01:58:44.400that hold the grenades when you go to the grenade throwing range so everything kind of has a purpose
01:58:50.960And ultimately, it's, again, to remove a lot of your individualism, create collectivism, working as a group and realizing that you're part of a whole and that your individual actions don't just affect you, but affect others.
01:59:04.420and no matter how hard it gets, it's one, it's only for a certain amount of time. And if you
01:59:14.320really think about it, if you throw yourself into that moment, if it's a couple of months
01:59:18.780of basic training, you will learn and gain so much more out of it. I saw guys there that they
01:59:25.020just could not embrace. They could not let go. They couldn't hold on to what they were learning.
01:59:31.400They just wanted to get out. They wanted nothing more than, I guess, to be at home and lounging on the couch or doing whatever they're doing.
01:59:39.000So basic training is 100% a time for you to just kind of go all out.
01:59:51.520And the basics that you learn in basic training will be with you for the rest of your time.
01:59:57.220Whether you're just doing one term or you're doing it for life, there are things you will learn there that if you forget them or try to expound on them or make them more nuanced and tweaking things, you'll lose it.
02:00:12.480Everything you learn in those thresholds are important for you for the rest of your career and for the rest of your life.
02:01:16.200so before we go any further gw farnsworth bought us five coffees thank you we really appreciate
02:01:24.440that thank you very much um also for sfan morris taylor asks sfan how did you learn so much about
02:01:39.400the war did you study icelandic in iceland no no not at all um by the time i became asatru i was
02:01:52.040um i had renounced my citizen or my dual citizenship to iceland um for me it's very
02:01:59.320important to have both feet in i'm not a not a guy who likes to stand with one foot
02:02:03.960it somewhere else to in case of the possibilities um i'm not one of those those guys um so for me
02:02:12.520i had already i was fully american um no no i think i think language helps i i by the time i i
02:02:22.600lost the icelandic conversational language because my mother clearly said he's going to learn english
02:02:28.120he's got he's going into school this is only going to hurt him so nobody speak icelandic to him and
02:02:33.960And I learned from teachers. That's why I don't really have a particular like a Southern or even a Tidewater accent. But the language helped. I think there was a drive to, I was alone. There was no one around when I became Alistair, especially in my area.
02:02:55.460There was it was just me and the voracious hunger to read, which I think is innately Icelandic.
02:03:03.140We love to read. So I would read and read and read and write things down.
02:03:09.300And then eventually I grew into the practice of giving gift to the gods.
02:03:15.000It wasn't it wasn't about reading and writing anymore.
02:03:17.840and um my interactions with the divine led me to the to to this to everything um i i you know was
02:03:28.660i was even also true before i joined the marine corps i was you know also true in the hardest
02:03:34.100time of my life in in in uh combat and things like that um and it's guided me it's it's held
02:03:41.900me my the way of my people and i don't mean icelanders i mean arians as a whole um that so
02:03:49.740that was gone long ago so now i'm actually going back and relearning conversational icelandic
02:03:58.540from so a lot of books that my sister has sent me i'm also studying in a course um with al
02:04:04.540sir go the on old norse and icelandic um and it's again it is i have an advantage because i think
02:04:11.100just my brain and my, my mouth is used to sounding out those things. Um, whereas I think a lot of
02:04:19.180people don't have that. Um, and just of the lore itself, I think I'm a storyteller. That's what I
02:04:28.500really, when, um, when I was first coming into Ausatru, uh, I was still in high school and I
02:04:34.900was part of a storytelling group um and so i would we could choose our own stories so most of the
02:04:41.620stories i chose were the stories of the gods um it was my way of kind of again keeping them in the
02:04:48.740minds of their people and um and that was the ultimate reason why i think like lore wise as far
02:04:55.860as, um, knowing certain stories is because I, I told them. Um, so the poems get a little
02:05:05.000wonky. And, uh, again, I've said it before me and Alceargo, they don't prep for these
02:05:09.760shows. So when I'm coming on there and I start seeing some translations and then I'm like,
02:05:13.920oh, I got to look that up. I'm trying to frantically look it up while we're talking
02:05:17.420about it. Um, yeah, it's, I don't have the, uh, advantage to be able to just look at the
02:05:23.420north and say oh that's that's exactly what this means or what have you i don't have that so and
02:05:28.540it would be a lie if i i told you that um but yeah i would say if you could learn the lore in story
02:05:35.980form that's the the first step for you to be able to really engage the poems better
02:05:45.340and that's what i think really helped me out
02:05:47.020it's fun learned his icelandic on the mean streets of reykjavik as a toddler
02:16:17.760And I think those points have merit, especially when it's not coming from, I don't think they're even intending to do this in a sense of like ownership or commanding.
02:16:28.560It's just, no, this is the way I have done it.
02:16:39.840Does it, you know, allow you to evolve?
02:16:42.500I've seen that for myself, synthesizing with so many people in the Ossetra Folk Assembly that have brought my own home worship.
02:16:53.480So in essence, the collective nourishes my individuality versus perceiving that the collective dampens your individuality.
02:17:06.080That is a big and hard hurdle for a lot of people to overcome.
02:17:11.380So if they can't be the leader and they, uh, and they're going to do their own thing and, um, you know, it's, it's, uh, it, I mean, like, it always brings to mind the story of, um, Arminius or, um, Herman of the Trusky.
02:17:28.860He, you know, he was able to defeat two Roman legions when they were united, but it was fostered within their ranks to start turning on each other and breaking apart.
02:17:41.900They couldn't unite under one banner. They couldn't maintain. That's partially or partially, I would say 75%.
02:17:50.280The reason why we and our folk faith lost against Christianity was because of the organizational factor that was brought into it.
02:18:01.460I mean, it eventually even affected the Catholic Church, and there was Protestantism and a lot of that fracturing again, and it continues to go on.
02:18:10.580But that good, solid base of being able to foundationally build under one banner and move forward and get things done is the reason why, even despite all the fracturing, the Catholic Church still remains is because they had that.
02:18:29.620And I think that our ancestors, if we had the ability to unite, if we had the ability to organize, if we had the ability to structure and build successful plans towards expansion and stability and synthesizing with each other, you might be from a different area, but we see the commonality of these things.
02:18:55.500The other thing I wanted to speak on, this bothers me more than I think anything, is when I do see Scandinavians say, oh, they're taking our gods.
02:19:18.500And if they don't catch the meaning, they're retarded and not even worth the time.
02:19:23.000The point is, is that they're so hell bent and they, they probably don't even honor and worship the gods. They're just utilizing it as kind of a thing that makes them who they are. I'm, I'm, you know, I'm a, I'm actually a Viking and you're not the Viking. And it's like, no, that's not the case.
02:19:43.240you ancestors probably weren't even vikings um you know probably just farmers and and herders
02:19:51.880um but it doesn't really matter it's just that they kind of they need to level this whether it's
02:20:00.000their hatred for the anglosphere or whatever they just cannot see us as being you know having
02:20:06.380connective tissue and other times i talked to australia and i explained like how much the
02:20:12.540teutonic branch of arianism as a religion was so interconnected uh like especially in names i was
02:20:19.480talking to someone um this past week about the names like oswald and oscar and how uh and alfred
02:20:26.720and how these names you know the the the forest of the gods the spear of the gods os and os and um
02:20:36.700they were just like whoa so they like the english worship the viking gods and i was like
02:20:41.820no they were branches off the same tree and they sourced to the same point and so you know it takes
02:20:50.040a lot for people to get their head around that but I really I really dislike the Scandinavian
02:20:55.680pomp that somehow we are pretending to be Vikings um it's really annoying a couple few things
02:21:05.040I am exactly the same number of generations removed from our, the generation of Scandinavians
02:21:23.740that broke with the Isir as is Olaf in Norway.
02:21:35.040We are both exactly as far removed from those people.
02:21:43.520Svahn's little side critique, I don't know if it's the case or not, but yeah, the Vikings traveled and they conquered and they colonized and they went on journeys.
02:21:57.680The not quite so Viking amongst them stayed home.
02:22:00.960And I think a lot of those genes went to the far corners of the world where we find our folk.
02:30:18.680and you want so bad to pluck them out of that and save them and make, you know, their life better
02:30:25.900and help them have something better. But what you see time and time again is,
02:30:32.940no, they go right back to the abusive relationship or they find a brand new abusive relationship
02:30:41.660because at that point in their life, that's where they've established what's comfortable.
02:30:48.680It may not be pleasant, but they know what to expect. They know how it works. They know the routine. That's what's normal to them instead of wanting something better. And it, it's soul crushing to see that, especially if you care about someone.
02:31:07.320but the truth is you can't save them if they don't want to be saved you can't help people
02:31:16.860if they haven't made the determination within themselves that they want something better
02:31:21.900or they keep going back to what's comfortable even if they know that it's not ideal it's what
02:31:30.040they know so we see that sometimes and i we keep you know especially our gothar spend a lot of time
02:31:42.680trying to help break people of that cycle and offer them something better and lead them to
02:31:50.520something better if they want that but oftentimes what we want for someone
02:31:59.800is not what they are ready to want for themselves unfortunately and that's been a hard truth to
02:32:05.720adjust the next comment i see or question rather matt how many years did it take you to get your
02:32:15.960black though about six six and a half ish i think um
02:32:29.800question what do you believe is the most effective way in the current political and
02:32:34.920social climate to convey our message and faith to younger generations ensuring their ultimate success
02:32:53.160well okay younger generation of our children that are in ausitru and have been raised or like
02:33:02.760young children that are folk but not ausitru was that specified
02:33:07.560no okay well um well i'll start first then with the younger generation that we have which is
02:33:19.240our own children um one of the things i would say is that's super important
02:33:24.920to reach out to your um folk builders reach out to your gothar and ask them about um thresholds
02:33:35.400that's one big one of course to bringing a building a harrow in your home and having your
02:33:42.360child with you when you do things when you do things at the harrow whether you're talking to
02:33:47.560your ancestors you're talking to the gods and maybe even start out with talking to the ancestors
02:33:53.560because children it's hard for them to grasp outside of of lineage at first with the divine
02:34:00.680sometimes. So yeah, getting a Harrow, setting it up. I know a lot of people were on a big kick of
02:34:07.400like, how do you set it up? I need a diagram and so on and so forth. I think, I believe that one
02:34:16.280of the most basic ones I've ever seen was simply a bowl and a vessel of fluid, the mead bottle
02:34:27.040itself sometimes um but doing stuff at home doing stuff in front of your children taking them to
02:34:36.480kindred events taking them to the temples if you're able to go to the hoffs um and showing
02:34:42.000them that this is this is part of who they are this is part of their people this is what their
02:34:46.960people do um it's not always you know it's not always easy especially like mayday was a big one
02:34:52.720mayday is very much a community flex if you will um you know when i was alone i'd never attended a
02:35:02.040mayday um and then as i came back from the marine corps i was able to kind of find these um events
02:35:09.460and now it's so important you know when you go to a hof or when you go to a kindred gathering and
02:35:15.120there is a maypole there and there's lots of people um you know dancing and and uh going
02:35:21.540taking the ribbons around that kind of stuff brings children into an understanding that
02:35:26.740they're not alone there they aren't this isn't some kooky religion that their parents are into
02:35:32.940or what have you um no you you really do have to show them this is our way this is the way we
02:35:40.780celebrate these holy tides during the year um they don't have to memorize the lore they don't
02:35:48.980to memorize stories neither do you in reality you don't have to know every poem and and what have
02:35:56.420you need to build the gift cycle with your ancestors build the gift cycle with the gods
02:36:02.100build the gift cycle maybe with the land spirits too and go out and do things and show them that
02:36:09.540they're not if you're unable to you can go to runestone you can go if you're a member of the
02:36:17.860astrofocus assembly you get the the runestone email you can see so many people doing so much
02:36:24.340stuff and you just show them and let them know look this is what your people are doing right now
02:36:30.580and you're you know we're trying to do is what we can do the best that you can um you know that's
02:36:38.100outside of that i think the biggest point is is there's a separation that children have right
02:36:43.220around the time that they start to hit puberty up until they're an adult and then they become they
02:36:48.660come back generally realizing the importance of of their cultural faith the faith of the people
02:36:55.060um combating that really is about having that threshold of a man making or a woman making
02:37:01.060and then making that threshold um something that is is repeatedly watered through that time frame
02:37:10.420um that is currently one of the things we are working on right now is hammering out a way for
02:37:17.860folks to take that and either apply it at home or to have their kindred involved or to go to
02:37:25.060a hof and have the gothar involved in guiding their children to maintain the course throughout
02:37:31.460their teenage years because they're going to be hitting things uh questionable times they're
02:37:36.100going to be making friends with people that might try to lead them into strange areas of their life
02:37:41.540or try to confuse them they might go to a school and encounter again bewilderment where the teachers
02:37:50.260are trying to confuse them and and make them question a lot especially just about common
02:37:57.380things in nature um and what have you you need to you know we need to have the children um
02:38:06.100focused when they go and encounter these things. And the only way we could do that is to make sure
02:38:11.260that we repeatedly invigorate their belief and get them to be excited about that they're not
02:38:19.640alone. They are part of a people. So I would say, in a sense, the tribal notion is important.
02:38:29.040Fostering the idea that you're not alone, because again, a lot of young teenagers feel that way.
02:38:34.060And not only are you not alone, these are your people. This is what they're doing. This is who we are. And, you know, that might even be the child might even go, well, then why aren't we doing that? And that might spurn you on to go out and do more. That's good.
02:38:51.360For kids outside of our folk, one thing of note is children – I've had children, folk and even non-folk, and I've encountered them sometimes like even here at the house, like I won't shy away from our faith in front of them.
02:39:16.500like they they this is we're also true and this is what also true people do when they sit down to
02:39:22.400have a meal this is what you know this is why there's a horn and a and a bowl and these you
02:39:28.100know there's a harrow at this spot in the house you don't mess with it you don't touch it's it's
02:39:33.040not toys or they just come to understand it as you know the legitimacy of a people um and then
02:39:41.400outside you know i've even had um non-folk uh girls she was catholic um she was witness to a
02:39:48.120wedding a lot of times our threshold ceremonies are a great time for people that are not within
02:39:53.800our folk to see us in our spiritual habitat in our in the way that we conduct ourselves and and
02:40:01.960almost every time i've ever seen that they have always been very respectful and um and and uh
02:40:09.080moved by it they um i remember a non-folk girl that was at a wedding that i was uh presiding over
02:40:16.840and she came up to me after um the ceremony while everyone was partying and and dancing and and
02:40:24.520eating and we talked for a good 20 minutes just about um the purpose of marriage and why spiritual
02:40:32.200unification between the man and the woman are so important and where they find that ground
02:40:38.680um even though she was a a catholic christian and um you know i was i'm assatru so it was um
02:40:48.680it was really really good so i think at least always making sure that you
02:40:54.360don't waver from and make that space for where your what your people do and i think
02:41:01.160your children's friends or you know some of the kids um
02:41:05.880you know might i don't know i i'm kind of floundering on that one i just i think it's
02:41:12.680it's interesting like when kids will say you know like um i've had my children's friends say like oh
02:41:18.200you know if you do this you're gonna go to hell and i'll you know oh really um do you know about
02:41:24.680the story about hell and then i'll tell them the story about uh loki's children and it changes
02:41:32.200everything about kind of what they've been told uh i'm not trying to i'm not trying to
02:41:41.240be treacherous towards it though that's another thing don't don't do that but the idea is again
02:41:47.000is that they've been told and thought of one way but there's a story of hell in the well hopefully
02:41:52.920when they were older they'll find out the truth that the you know the judaic religion and the
02:41:58.200subsect that is christianity doesn't have hell it has ghana they may never ever find that out but
02:42:05.160you know you just hold your ground and show uh yourself as an alternative through deeds
02:42:14.760yes that was a really long no uh okay but truly i think that
02:42:22.680a couple of things first laurie if you're still here i want to say hi i saw your appreciation of
02:42:32.120the welcome email we're very glad that you joined us um and yeah we'd love to get you connected with
02:42:38.520folks in your area um if you if you went to bed hopefully you listen to this later if not
02:42:45.800hopefully i can meet you at winter nights this year um so on this um
02:42:57.640one of the things that i'm very glad we've overcome in alsatru in kind of the first
02:43:04.360generation of the first 30 years of modern alsatru
02:43:08.440there's a lot of guys a lot of guys that would do this without their family
02:43:19.300um and you know comfort themselves with some kind of like ah well i'll let my
02:43:28.140my child make the choice when they grow up no that's abdicating your responsibilities
02:43:33.300But the best things now is that we have families, we have children in our events.
02:43:43.000Raising your children with this is a real religion that you participate actively and piously in.
02:43:51.740Builds that foundation and that home base for them.
02:43:57.020One of the biggest challenges for churches in general across the board is retention of young people.
02:44:03.860people get wild they want to break free of their parents and go and you know get crazy and go
02:44:09.700be nuts for a little bit that happens it's common amongst young people
02:44:16.980but having them have something to come home to that's familiar with how they were raised
02:44:23.940trying to introduce this new strange alternative religion to them when they're
02:44:29.460young adults. No, you missed the boat. Do this when they are children. Bring them up in our
02:44:37.120tradition with the touchstones of our lower, our celebrations, our family, our community.
02:44:46.520That gives them something to come home to. Also, live by example. It's the biggest thing we can do
02:44:53.920affect anybody is demonstrate through the way we live our life that this is real to us it is serious
02:45:01.440and that we are pious people participating in our faith if you actively participate in this
02:45:10.020in a pious way the iser will go a long way to help instill this and make things work but you
02:45:18.280have to do your part. And your part is living piously. This can't just be something cool that
02:45:25.280you do with your white power homies on the weekend. No, this has to be a real thing that
02:45:33.020you believe. This is a religion. Anyone who this is some kind of, I don't know, some kind of add
02:45:42.920on to their political ideology that's not what this is this is a sincere religious faith we have
02:45:49.960people who are of a variety of different political ideologies that share some commonality but no this
02:45:57.320is our religion and we believe it if your children see that you believe it that will go a long way
02:46:05.640that's the best i can suggest um wolf throne asks i've been listening to
02:46:15.720oh no before i do that i saw some conversation over in the side chat when i mentioned that
02:46:21.080people are scared to change i saw folks in the the side chat that are seem kind of uncomfortable with
02:46:27.640that um and talking about various it's not a fear of changing these are fundamental things or
02:46:36.840whatever no it absolutely is a fear of changing i've seen it with my own eyes a lot nobody asks
02:46:43.640people to alter their their core values but very often people internalize and get hard-headed on
02:46:52.200their comfort zone and they elevate their comfort zone to some kind of righteousness
02:47:00.700that it doesn't have in order to avoid challenging themselves to become more to become better
02:47:08.960and i've seen this a lot and it's a very very common thing amongst our folk but no
02:47:15.260Well, we can all do better when you find yourself with your heels dug in on small principles of some kind of misguided youth gang mentality or whatever people find themselves in.
02:49:06.400So, Alexander Rudd Mills' practice was very much a first steps at breaking away from Christian tradition and reinterpreting or reintegrating himself into our native faith and our native religion.
02:49:31.020and that comes in phases and can be kind of uncomfortable so you see a incongruent and
02:49:40.500uncomfortable marrying of like trying to retract monotheistic Christianity from a Jewish lens
02:49:55.260and put it into a Norse, and in his case, a specifically English lens.
02:50:04.000And it's a process of slowly shedding layers of Jewish Christianity
02:50:15.340off of the concept of the divine and reintegrating divinity
02:51:09.980It was a step away from degeneracy and towards our gods and towards our faith.
02:51:15.940And it was a fundamental shift in the world in which he lived to move away from that towards a better relationship with the Aesir.
02:51:26.320And I think that's what that represents, very honestly.
02:51:32.100Svon, do you have any other insight on that?
02:51:34.380No, I think that it's just worth noting that much of the way, there's a reason why we look at Christianity as being at its core, Middle Eastern or Semitic.
02:51:50.400But you have to scratch through the surface.
02:51:53.140And one of the big things on that surface is European or folk expression to the divine.
02:52:00.620And there's a commonality between us and them in that area, in that crust of, you know, giving thanks.
02:52:10.100um uh uh kind of just bringing up the the thing that you had said um last call or last um sorry
02:52:21.280last uh episode about the englishman who was you know upset that the you know the evil pagans were
02:52:30.240you know bedecking their temples and giving all this stuff to their to their priests and he
02:52:35.760couldn't, you know, get a penny out of, you know, his Christian brethren. And I think that a lot of
02:52:43.720the modes of expression in Christianity, especially strictly European Christianity, whether it's the
02:52:50.260emphasis on the art, or we take a look at the cathedrals and buildings and things of that
02:52:57.700nature. It's distinctly European. We did not stop expressing our faith into the divine. It's just
02:53:08.780that we were askewed. Our lens was pushed over to a foreign God. So that transition back brings
02:53:17.820with it a lot of things. And I think that expression there is what Alexander Rudd Mills
02:53:24.340was was struggling with and um you know it it still goes to say some people could say like you
02:53:32.020know uh amongst the long longer bards lord othen was known as godan and the word go the as god
02:53:41.780or gods was used lesser than ouse but um that it still maintains and that i think that uh you know
02:53:51.780christians look at european christians look at yahweh like a like a sky father of a sorts
02:54:00.340well um but not realizing that that was not the way it was you know long long ago that's
02:54:08.900the european in them doing that so i think it's important that we recognize that acknowledge it
02:54:14.980and even foster a return to that because, of course, a lot of folks that come to our faith now,
02:54:23.140again, are standing in opposition to that. I'm not going to dress nice. I'm not going to do
02:54:27.640nothing. I want to wear bones and paint my face with runes and have sooty teeth.
02:55:06.820from a number of years ago past the rune yeah somebody should look that up if you will
02:55:17.700yeah i'm just i'm just dropping that there if people want to check that out it's interesting
02:55:21.780yet no i do not endorse that i chuckle at their existence well um go ahead i was gonna say like
02:55:31.540these people that that are dressing up or playing it you know when they're older and there's no
02:55:37.940infrastructure you know like these um these kind of the neck beard vikings um the kind of the cheeto
02:55:45.380stain uh war paint um you know writing runes on their head with cheeto dust um when they're older
02:55:59.540There will be no community that they have constructed around the faith in the gods.
02:56:05.560So they'll grow old and they will, you know, probably scurry back to, you know, save themselves and their souls and go back to the religion of their, you know, over oppressing parents or whatever they do.
02:56:22.740there is a in true belief there is an a an absolute necessity for us to create infrastructure
02:56:30.280to create things that glorify the gods to create a place where when when i grow old i want to be
02:56:37.480able to be surrounded by my folk to be given a proper way out by my folk in their in in our way
02:56:44.600and to be placed next to a half of our gods all the way through and that's the real thing that
02:56:52.400think you know you got to separate the wheat from the chaff and what that really is is these people
02:56:58.160are just playing they're they're usually atheistic or or what have you and they're just playing viking
02:57:06.240because they're bored there is a current and we start where we start and i don't uh i don't begrudge
02:57:18.720that but at some point as we mature we need to be also true for who we are
02:57:35.360and not also true for who we aren't one of the things with the uh
02:57:41.600plagians as i'm seeing it expressed which first one on me that entertains me
02:57:49.520they're just trying to be different than something else they're also true because
02:57:59.040they're not conformist to all the other things that have a value
02:58:03.760and they're trying to overlay on something that has no defined value
02:58:08.480we have worked tirelessly for a generation now to make an established value of what
02:58:19.680alsatru is expressed positively and not by all of the things that we aren't it's really important
02:58:27.600so anna knows what i'm talking about on past the rune i think she's the one that brought it to my
02:58:33.020attention um yeah and it's funny and uh the cheeto dust and mick that's a good one that's a good one
02:58:46.280we'll throw so the next question which martial art did you guys do and is it actually useful
02:58:53.820in actual fights or things like mma i've heard a lot not all but a lot of martial arts does not
02:59:01.580actually work in real fights um so i have my black belt in danzenryu jiu-jitsu
03:16:17.360The reason that it's cause for pause is I think that the term forgive is one of those weighted terms that may mean in someone's head something different than it means in reality.
03:16:34.880So, forgive, and it's a Germanic word, it means like to pardon or to release being, release a grudge or release being angry about something or release being ill inclined about something.
03:24:59.700when any great tragedy happens there is a race amongst christians to forgive the most
03:25:12.000heinous of things if there is some kind of serial rapist or mass shooter that kills children
03:25:21.720there's almost a competition amongst parents to see who can be the first to go out in front of
03:25:29.440camera and like you know i just want to say to the one who murdered my children i forgive you
03:25:36.320and jesus loves you and i'm bigger than that because i love the lord or some nonsense
03:25:51.040that is beneath contemptible and it is
03:25:59.440makes me very angry right now to consider that folks do that so there's a really big scale there
03:26:08.480if somebody scuffs your kicks you can just let it slide that's a nice thing to do
03:26:16.720if somebody rapes and murders your children no you should hold that grudge
03:26:23.440until they are dead and gone and then beyond um there's no virtue in flagellantly forgiving
03:26:38.080gross infraction but the same thing is look towards reconciliation don't be a jerk in your
03:26:46.480life if somebody wrongs you in a normal way and this is something that okay as a gothean counseling
03:26:53.200something I do a lot. When people have this kind of a situation, I ask, what does victory
03:26:59.380look like? What do you want? And we can start from there. Maybe somebody betrayed you,
03:27:07.680they pissed you off, they did something wrong, they did whatever. Cool. What would it take
03:27:12.660for them to compensate you and for you to want to forgive them? See what that is. And
03:27:20.720that's something ridiculous okay but if they gave you a million dollars you would forgive them though
03:27:26.320right well i suppose okay cool they're not going to give you a million dollars but that's the place
03:27:32.000to start what if they said they were sorry and they bought you a cheeseburger no that's not enough
03:27:41.760okay cool fair enough fair enough i had to try all right well what if and then you find a spot
03:27:48.720where realistically you find a place where you can come to a reconciliation and i think that um
03:28:00.000lord forsetti is our divine inspiration for some of that for fixing those kind of conflicts in a
03:28:10.160way that moves the folk forward instead of cuts us all back by an endless vengeance cycle
03:28:19.200so i i would encourage folks that were in a position between other members of our folk
03:28:27.040that they wanted to figure that out to seek i don't know to seek the blessings of lord
03:28:33.120for seti on it while engaging your gothar to help with it a little bit i know that's
03:28:39.360way beyond the simple forward do the gods forgive question but i do think it's important i think
03:28:45.600it's very relevant all right so interesting question vril mage or vroom age 14 question
03:28:57.380Aorik was the son of Ariarik and the father of Athanarik.
03:29:07.060He was raised in Constantinople where a statue was erected in his honor.
03:29:12.920So, hail Athanarik, hail Athanarik, but could Ariarik, the name, mean Arian king or chieftain?
03:29:23.860Now, I saw this, and I started looking up on my phone while Svon was talking to see linguistically what the deal is.
03:29:32.860it's hard with the first half the rick part means like in old Norse uh Riker is like powerful
03:29:56.260um riki is like dominion of power um rex in the latin means king certainly that part of it is
03:30:10.600correct. The error part of it is a little bit more questionable. It's one of the reasons
03:30:26.700that if you look at it, Athaneric, there's speculation on whether that was his name or
03:30:34.680his title because of that and i think that there may be overlap to both i think that maybe if you
03:30:42.200were in a gothic noble house you might name your children with a reginal title if they're presumed
03:30:51.800to be one who would inherit that position of kingship um that's really interesting and i just
03:31:00.600thank you for actually digging into so here's a lament of mine so often i think a lot of our
03:31:11.480people don't appreciate our days of remembrance or the heroes that we celebrate and i think they
03:31:18.920don't it's hard for me because i've always loved history and i've always been really intrigued by
03:31:25.960that so i go down those rabbit holes but i think a lot of people don't and i think it's really cool
03:31:33.160that you do and i'm appreciative that you're looking into one of our heroes it was really
03:31:38.360important to me to include king ethaneric in our list of heroes honor him with a day of remembrance
03:31:50.600I read a piece, I guess, I think it was made into book form, but it was like a transcript of a lecture, I believe, something called the Roman and the Teuton.
03:32:07.740And that was the first time I heard about Ephaneric and his taking a stand when so many of his people were being seduced into accepting Christianity.
03:32:23.300And he took a bold stand with fire and sword to make war against those of his folk who would break their trough with our gods.
03:44:40.140so one advantage that i think would be cool is you would have the benefit of getting to go to
03:44:51.000europe to visit your in-laws which would be really cool and maybe expose you to some stuff you
03:44:56.800wouldn't have gotten to see or experience otherwise so i'd say that's a positive what's
03:45:02.580useful yeah i was gonna say it depends on where i i would assume um i know uh quite a few friends
03:45:12.340of mine and and and and clients too so not all of them uh you know in the religious community or or
03:45:20.180what have you just people i i know um and some within the religious community uh it seems that
03:45:26.820the eastern european women are um i don't know i've heard horror stories about in say specifically
03:45:38.100like russians coming here to get the uh to come to the land of the big px and get the0.97
03:45:43.220get the green card and go um but uh serbian and um ukrainian and polish women uh and hungarian um
03:45:56.820all the people that i know and i'm just trying to think of like where they come from these
03:46:00.500these uh women that i know they're all really really strong um good-hearted women that and
03:46:08.820again these are only four people from different countries in europe so like i can't speak on it
03:46:14.900like that's it but i mean i i've you have expertise you are you are an icelander by birth
03:46:21.540that doesn't work to any you are you are a european gentleman yeah you're from hungary
03:46:29.700i'm from iceland like it's a and we do our european dance no um they uh no you gotta show
03:46:37.940me the european i don't have my knickerbockers off um no no it's they seem really nice good
03:46:47.540good ladies um you know level-headed uh i think language sometimes can be a barrier especially in
03:46:54.740the eastern um countries there they have a harder time i think with english than say
03:47:00.740strictly germanic or nordic uh you know if you meet a a person from holland or you know switzerland
03:47:10.100or austria or norway and sweden and iceland and all those places they will either already know
03:47:17.060english very very well or will learn it swiftly so there's a language barrier and there's also
03:47:22.180some cultural stuff there too um and it's hard to find um ones that might not be you know like
03:47:28.980they're traditionally and culturally greek orthodox or catholic and you you know if there's a
03:47:36.100spiritual uh conflict there too i would say that's not advantageous um but you might you
03:47:42.340You might very well meet people over there who are open to or have already kind of, you know, got into a road and ovary or, or, you know, Alcetru and yeah.
03:47:56.880And then again, what Alcetru they said, it'd be awesome to be able to go back over and, and see family and go do things and have someone close.
03:48:04.440So you don't, you know, it's not hotels and you have somebody who's familiar, but I also found too,
03:48:09.920that a lot of times when you meet up with older women from europe a lot of them come here and
03:48:15.780it's like kind of only a large matter of time before they want to go back i noticed that a lot
03:48:23.740in the uh icelandic folks that you know they always kind of wanted to go back to iceland
03:48:28.880um and what have you i could i just remember that specifically because my mother was kind of an odd
03:48:34.240duck. She did not want to go back. She wanted to stay here. But yeah, so you have that hurdle as
03:48:41.420well. So I have seen, I'm very fortunate in my position as an officer. I get like a really
03:48:52.160wide, I don't know, 30,000 foot view of things. I get a lot of things that filter up to me.
03:49:04.240known a lot of folks that have met beautiful amazing uh european women that they have
03:49:13.520awesome marriages with and amazing families with and they have these women with just they're
03:49:20.080beautiful and have traditional values and aren't soiled by all of the degeneracy we see in in the
03:49:27.360west in the united states and they're amazing i've absolutely seen that that's the thing it happens
03:49:34.240I've also seen people that met a woman online or something that maybe was in a bad spot and this was their ticket out of their bad spot and they fulfilled whatever obligation they were contractually obligated to and then disappeared and that relationship was no longer a thing.
03:50:01.240so i don't think there's a one-size-fits-all answer i think that that's a really cool pursuit
03:50:10.120if it's what you want to do i think the foundations of commonly shared beliefs and
03:50:16.520values is much more important than hey you're american you got money and you found somebody
03:50:22.200in a bad spot maybe they need a little hand up that often doesn't work out so well so finding
03:50:28.920somebody through points of commonality i think that's really a really cool thing and i wish you
03:50:36.760the best in it uh wolf elder asks question slash statement i have extreme adhd in order to learn
03:50:47.240the lore i have to view it as a story it's gotten aware i have to have it read to me
03:50:53.800is this a weakness yes of course it is and I don't say that to be a jerk I'm just it's a thing
03:51:01.480it's wrong when we pretend that disability is differently abled it's not it's a disability
03:51:09.640that's not optimal but here's the thing you're very aware of what your situation is with your
03:51:17.120ADHD. And if you can find a way to harness the strengths of that, it can absolutely be
03:51:26.760advantageous. One of those may be a hyper attention to detail and focus. Whereas a lot of people have
03:51:36.960trouble internalizing some of the specifics, depending, and everybody with ADHD is not the
03:51:47.920same, so you might have a different way of processing this, but you may very well be
03:51:52.660able to focus on details and remember, like, little details of the lore much better than
03:52:00.940some of the rest of folks um but yeah i mean having yes being neurodivergent isn't good it
03:52:11.500is a disability it's not whatever but we we all have a variety of situations where we're you know
03:52:20.380less than perfect in a lot of our stuff the key is you know you have what you have regardless
03:52:27.020finding the way to maximize the benefits and minimize the weaknesses is the best way to deal
03:52:32.460with it and because your brain processes stuff differently you may have strengths on it that
03:52:39.740the rest of us don't notice so it is what it is that's cards you're dealt figuring out how
03:52:46.620to use it to the best of your ability that's what matters um
03:52:51.580Um, if you have to see it as a story and a narrative and you have to have somebody read
03:52:59.560it to you, I wonder why it is that you have to have someone read it to you.
03:53:04.640There's a lot of questions that I have, and I would love to talk to you more about it.
03:53:10.840Um, if you wanted to email me or something, I'd be happy to talk to you more about it
03:53:14.940in specifics because a lot of the details matter on it.
03:53:18.380is this a weakness it's irrelevant it is what it is um what to do with it is a much
03:53:26.780more important question a more pertinent question and I'm curious because I'm I want I kind of want
03:53:33.580to besides everyone else listening I'm kind of fascinated and I'm curious
03:53:39.420I'm curious so I do want to know more um Svon do you have any insight on that
03:53:45.820No, I mean, I think you've covered it. I would say, you know, most of our ancestors learned
03:53:55.480through oratory. The stories were told to them, or the poems were told to them. But
03:54:01.240it does put you at a deficit because, you know, there isn't a lot out there. I'm trying
03:54:07.120to remember of the British gentleman that I wrote it down to, and I just can't go look
03:54:14.420for it right now um that go the uh bode mayo spoke about last um episode um and his tellings
03:54:27.140of the stories of being really really good um but yeah you know i would say you know work around
03:54:34.460the the disadvantage you have but the biggest problem is there's not a lot out there that's
03:54:40.040read to you. I mean, you could go with, um, I don't know, like, I wouldn't even trust a lot
03:54:46.480of the stuff that comes out, like, like, uh, Gaiman stuff. Um, not a huge fan of it. And if
03:54:53.680it's read to you, I've, I've actually listened to some of it and was not particularly impressed
03:55:00.260with some of the, the bridges he was doing, but, um, at the same time, like, yeah, that's how our
03:55:09.220ancestors learned so it's not bad it's just it puts you at a disadvantage
03:55:13.860uh next question hard times create strong men strong men create good times good times
03:55:25.100create weak men and weak men create hard times true yes wolf throne do either of you have
03:55:34.120any secular hobbies or interests also yes we'll throw not apologize we'll pause on that one a
03:55:45.300little bit the first one i think is a truth that we just all know to be true i don't i do it a
03:55:50.120little bit to be silly but i think we all realize that the truth of that statement and it's worth
03:55:55.120restating and i'm happy to do so but yeah um the question is do we have any hobbies and stuff
04:11:21.240if i didn't have that i don't know what i'd do
04:11:26.460um we're still at a point where if something's wrong with her i can fix it with a hug or kiss
04:11:36.440and a boo-boo and magically it heals it that does a lot about how i'm doing um
04:11:48.860if my wife is happy and I feel like I'm part of why that is it's not really happy wife happy life
04:12:00.140because she's not going to bitch at me thing it's I want my wife to be happy and I want to be part
04:12:07.280of making her life such that she can feel happy and not be stressed and if I can do that and be
04:12:18.440a good enough husband that affects how i'm doing a lot if all of those things are doing well
04:12:26.120then i'm doing awesome and right now the afa is doing really well we're in a really good place
04:12:33.000a lot of things i'm excited about my daughter's killing it she's in gymnastics now and she's
04:12:39.180doing great at it, and look at my wife when she comes home, and I spend time with her,
04:12:50.740and the best of my understanding, she loves me, and she's happy, so I'm doing all right.
04:12:58.460As far as other stuff, I am so tremendously blessed to be in the position I'm in, in life,
04:13:07.800with being the all's harrier gothi with being surrounded by such amazing people in the afa
04:13:17.720with having the best daughter in the entire universe and a wife who loves me i'm doing all
04:13:24.900right i'm doing pretty good um it's a long-winded kind of ridiculous answer but it's a really
04:13:33.380interesting thing to think about because I don't feel like I can separate myself from all of those
04:13:40.360things. Next question from Wolf Throne. It's kind of interesting. Can a coward become heroic
04:13:52.720and be redeemed for his cowardice? I've been talking for a while. This is fun. Take a swing
04:13:58.780at that? I think so. I think that he can alleviate his cowardice of the past by showing heroic in
04:14:18.120the future or in the present, I should say. Actually, yeah, in the present. Does it negate
04:14:25.400the effects of his cowardice though. Um, again, that kind of goes back towards what we were
04:14:32.260talking about with forgiveness and working towards fixing and mending the things, um,
04:14:38.300that you caused. That's a different story. Uh, it doesn't, you're, you're, and nor does your
04:14:44.100bravery now or, or, you know, and things that you're facing now, it doesn't alleviate the
04:14:50.900issues that your cowardice caused in the past. So you have to take a very, um, strong look at
04:14:58.820those things and try to mend those things while also being brave in the things that you are
04:15:06.040facing or well-faced. Um, but yeah, I, I, I think it's just depends on the situation,
04:15:12.640but I do think it is possible. It's just, it's hard to go back from. And then on top of that,
04:15:19.280But, you know, if you do courageous things now, but all that people know of you is your cowardly deeds of the past, you're going to have to work through that.
04:15:31.120You're going to have to do everything you can to wash yourself of and rid yourself of that, the muck of that.
04:20:20.400But the difference between how you were
04:20:22.880and how you are going forward is so dramatic
04:20:26.140that it forces us all to stop and take notice and appreciate that's an opportunity you have
04:20:32.540so seize that um i i did go ahead i don't because i don't know if this is a question or not
04:20:43.200or if it's going to be coming up as a question there was one that um is there like a viking game
04:20:49.820that uh anybody would recommend that is accurate or at least somewhat accurate i don't have that
04:20:56.420but i did want to say one thing and i so i don't own this game i have not played it but i have seen
04:21:02.320footage of it it is on steam and if anybody is interested in truly historical sword play
04:21:09.280with sabers and with swords you gotta gotta check out the game hellish court it is it is a polish
04:21:18.980it's set in poland um it has it is a phenomenally accurate game like i i just recently saw pieces of
04:21:29.960it on on youtube and was just blown away at the realism because i've done a little of the of hima
04:21:36.060and um sword fighting um in in the european sense and it is really really good and again it gives a
04:21:44.600a great amount of um uh credence to saber fighting so and you met you had mentioned steam and that's
04:21:51.640what led me to that i would definitely recommend that for anybody if you were looking for historical
04:21:57.400accuracy that one is like ridiculously accurate morris this is like a half episode morris taylor
04:22:05.560says i went through puberty college got married had two kids got divorced learned icelandic and
04:22:11.960immigrated to iceland all during this episode you know we've done all the way to like three
04:22:18.360in the morning north of seven hours probably won't do that this evening but uh
04:22:27.000welcome aboard yeah i haven't i haven't eaten um i didn't i came home from work so like i've been
04:22:33.560munching uh here because i hadn't eaten i went what are you eating out of a dog's bowl what
04:22:39.880no no no it's a salad or a mixing bowl um it's just a little bit of popcorn um
04:22:47.640because i was starving my stomach was like churning while we were here well go get yourself
04:22:52.120some food oh no all right so chris lucat uh i looked into other pagan groups that never were
04:22:59.800successfully suppressed particularly of asian origin and most have monastic orders do you think
04:23:07.720such a thing is possible in our future or for that matter even compatible with our religion
04:23:15.480uh spawn go on this for a little bit oh that's kind of a that's a cool question
04:23:21.400chris that's really cool um i i'm gonna go out i haven't really fleshed it out in my head but i
04:23:30.680would i'm following a train of thought i believe that if christianity had not been introduced
04:23:40.120into europe that our faith would have still progressed along much of the railing because
04:23:46.920of the european um nature um you know i don't think christianity facilitates um warfare uh
04:23:56.600i think that was europeans bringing their war warfare into christianity um i know that uh
04:24:04.120i guess the christian bros are all about the crusader stuff but um it's the knighthood
04:24:12.600the essence of knighthood i believe could be a thing expounded upon even with our holy gods as
04:24:20.920like the the driving force of it and if that's the case the monastic sense um i don't know it
04:24:29.080would have to be dependent on i could see it happening but it would it would be dependent
04:24:33.000on the nature of what the monasticism is trying to achieve um uh could each in like could individual
04:24:44.360house or our senior have a cult-like monastic um you know if we were living in a an house of true
04:24:55.140nation could the cult of air be completely built around uh medicinal and um you know
04:25:04.460or just medicines and health care um could law be built around in in a cult worship or monastic
04:25:13.040worship of um lord for seti i think it could be done um but again it's it's you know the achievement
04:25:24.000of that wouldn't really be built i think around trying to attain some sense of nirvana or some
04:25:30.480mental state i think it would be more about uh like encapsulating the pure relationship with
04:25:36.640one of the gods and or one of the one of the guys um but that's just me following an extension based
04:25:44.800off of off of um uh the idea of knighthood and how knighthood could i think very much so with
04:25:53.680with the varangians and with the yom viking good knighthood was starting to uh show up um
04:26:02.320um so yeah I guess it all right and I say cults just not not to get confused I think a lot of
04:26:10.480people might wonder what that means but uh we often refer to like the cult of Odin or the idea
04:26:16.960that there are there are people who hold devotion to Lord Odin in such a way that they build kind
04:26:23.620of a a life around it uh whatever that might however that might manifest and I don't it's
04:26:31.000It's different than monotheism. They understand that there are the other gods. They're just focusing. And I think that, you know, perhaps if there was a sense of like building of these cults where people would facilitate members of the religion to come there and inundate themselves with the faith of a particular aus or particular ausenia.
04:26:55.740And those people that stayed there to facilitate that, that would be the closest thing to the monastic life.
04:27:02.180They, they're, I would say, most likely would facilitate, say, a person who's just ausitru and they want to hold devotionals to Hlyn, the ausenior of the, one of the maidens of Fensaler.
04:27:19.200and they go perhaps to like some place in somewhere in the united states and there's a
04:27:24.820grove and maybe a place dedicated to that and there's like a maybe two women that like tend to
04:27:30.220that place um but i think that strict monasticism might not really um hold well in our faith i think
04:27:39.560we're very very practical even our gothar mary have children and i think in a monastic sense
04:27:46.740would be about maintaining a sacred place and space and a focus on the devotional reach to that
04:27:55.300god or goddess but i don't think it would be um so cut off that it would lose its practicality
04:28:02.900so i i think that's the best answer i got on that one it's getting late we will answer your
04:28:09.460questions i'm committed to doing so some of them may be a little bit briefer than others
04:28:14.580it's no disrespect to the question but we're going to be a little bit picky on our voluminousness of
04:28:21.460the answers and we will probably go long-winded on the ones that inspire us so that being said
04:28:28.820um what's fond said i think that cultic practice absolutely i think that military orders when you
04:28:38.500see monasticism displayed in what and you your question referenced the east but when you see it
04:28:48.180in the west with the templars and the hospitalers or the teutonic order or things like that
04:28:56.580absolutely i think a military order of military age men devoted to uh martial prowess for
04:29:08.740um the gods for our church for whatever at some point that makes sense within our faith
04:29:15.780uh spawn mentions the uh joms back here and i think that's the thing um the deal with
04:29:23.860monasticism as a whole is it's world rejecting it's people wanting to retreat from the mundane world
04:29:32.980cut themselves off from it and like exist in this pod of not being part of the world
04:29:41.680and that is directly contrary to our faith you see that certainly in christianity that's where
04:29:49.420you banish people that you don't want to deal with or are no longer relevant in society cool
04:29:55.300you can you know either we will kill you or you can take monastic vows and you can disappear with
04:30:01.060the monastery um yeah so and i could see that maybe with the elderly or with you know like
04:30:13.960widows or people who are in a very specific life situation wanting to have a place to retreat to
04:30:20.540to just focus on spirituality for a time that makes sense um but we don't ever want to be world
04:30:28.220rejecting you see that in the east is the monks reject the rest of the world and disappear within
04:30:33.980their monastery because the world is suffering and the world is horrible we don't believe that
04:30:39.740believe life is good and we want to embrace it having cult specific centers to where somebody
04:30:47.420devotes themselves wholly to one of our gods or goddesses and builds a cult a specific cult site
04:30:54.540there absolutely um an order of people that are you know even an order of gothar perhaps that are
04:31:02.620very specifically aligned for a particular purpose or with a particular you know function absolutely
04:31:10.460but as far as a escapism to disappear no not so much that's that's contrary to what we do
04:31:17.980go ahead i was gonna say i forgot about like the dichotomy of that the monastic orders that um
04:31:27.340go out and do they or like tend places and sacred sites versus the ones that kind of
04:31:33.740close up and don't come out i would yeah i was thinking of the of the former not so much the
04:31:38.620latter um all right so wolf throne is it okay to offer beer or whiskey to the gods if you don't
04:31:47.740have me it's okay to offer beer or whiskey to the gods if you do have me um there's things that just
04:31:56.620kind of evolved as what people did honestly i think that in the 1970s people like man we're
04:32:04.460trying to be vikings what did vikings do vikings drank mead let's offer me to the gods and that's
04:32:09.340how we got where we are it's not to disrespect it i offer me to the gods too but there's no
04:32:17.660no reason not to all to offer beer or wine or other spirits or whiskey or rum or vodka or whatever you
04:32:28.400want to do having a toast of you know a drink that has value and significance to you to the
04:32:40.700God that you are alter that you are offering it to to your culture wherever you find yourself
04:32:45.800it's completely appropriate for no stop that i don't think that is absolutely completely
04:32:52.440appropriate and we all do that and have done that well you know our ancestors weren't able
04:32:58.280to create whiskey so that's not what we give up the guy i can just picture somebody saying that
04:33:04.680like our ancestors didn't create whiskey because they didn't have the capabilities and that's why
04:33:09.400we don't do it man yeah that's silly um yeah so morris taylor has the european spirit been waking
04:33:23.960over the last few weeks i have seen videos from germany that look interesting i think we're in a
04:33:30.120time where uh the spirit of our folk has been awakening for a number of years now i think in
04:33:36.920general has been waking for a long time i think we are seeing it more due to circumstance in the
04:33:43.240past few years uh spawn what do you say yeah i i do i think that the people are i'm just surprised
04:33:54.200they're waking up now and not a lot sooner like as uh in relation to like you said with europe
04:34:01.320um but i'm i'm glad that they are i know people speak of the political stuff that's going on in
04:34:07.880europe right now um is just interesting but i'm glad that it's better now than say 10 years from
04:34:16.200now but i wish it was 10 years back but yes i do believe uh next question is once you guys get
04:34:25.800sigerheim more established and fixed up the cemetery do you intend in any way in the future
04:34:31.240to try to bid for the relocation of lc christiansen's body and bury it there
04:34:42.040so no and the question itself it's like
04:34:49.320it may sound absurd but i would be lying if i told you i did not already think of that
04:49:21.340I just, I really, I had, I had a chance to meet them and I didn't get that chance because things went all haywire, but, um, yeah, I like them.
04:49:34.720Svon forsook the opportunity to meet the Palm Grids.
04:49:41.800it was uh it was other things that got in the way i was with divergent in the road and he chose
04:49:50.120no palm greens no no i was i was with founder mcnallan at the time and it didn't work out
04:49:57.160he was going to be on and i i had a chance to meet him and i wasn't going to be any known
04:50:02.760quantity i was just going to you know here be in the shadow of founder mcnallen but it didn't work
04:50:08.280out um question what uh from raven questions uh what actions or behaviors are considered
04:50:18.600unforgivable within the afa or what aspects of the afa are held in such high regard that they
04:50:26.840must never be compromised so the second half is a little bit more thought-provoking than the first
04:50:41.960um there's there's always room for the crazy out of left field thing that you wouldn't imagine
04:50:53.560Fundamentally, the things that will get you removed from membership and never allowed to rejoin are first and foremost, safety concerns, like existential concerns or safety concerns involving children and families.
04:51:18.680So, yeah, if you are a child molester or if you are a male homosexual, you're not allowed
04:51:37.240in the AFA and you're not allowed to ever rejoin the AFA.
04:51:42.200Those are fundamental for the safety of our children.
04:51:48.680If you have tried to destroy the AFA in any way, through treachery, through whatever you do,
04:52:03.560if you have actively tried to hurt the AFA itself, you are not allowed to rejoin the AFA and you are not welcome.
05:20:54.300You can't reject the Jewish influence of Christianity, which is a reformation of Judaism, by trying to be some kind of different flavor of Hebrew.
05:30:35.920um uh it is one of the best work like exercise to do um is it the most fun no it is it is painful
05:30:47.540and sketchy if you're not in a rack and you're doing some weight that you feel like it's going
05:30:51.860to press you if you don't have that rack um be very very careful but i i'm i even got to the
05:30:57.780point where i could do no rack and i could um stand the bar up and kind of angle it up and
05:31:03.160over and onto my shoulders and then just do squats like that. Um, but the other thing I was
05:31:08.700going to say is my go-to is always deadlifts. I prefer to do that. Um, and, or, and Romanian
05:31:14.780deadlifts. And then my third exercise, the one that I think doesn't get enough love is the pull
05:31:19.880up. I think that for, for upper body, um, the pull and your, and your arms, the pull up needs
05:31:27.640some love because that is a great exercise ah what is the relationship of the uh vanir and the
05:31:40.440icier the vanir had sibling marriage which the icier rejected but let freya and frayer stay with
05:31:50.040them we've been through this a lot um the distinction is only really relevant
05:31:57.560in the most ancient of times before the first war was resolved
05:32:05.400the isir are the gods of cosmic order the vanir are the more cathartic gods of
05:32:13.960natural process natural law of fecundity and you know the primal things of the world of nature
05:32:25.720them coming into alignment at the resolution of that first war every god that you hear about that
05:32:33.880is named is amongst the iser and as such are referred to for the rest of our lore as iser
05:32:44.440they are incorporated into the iser and that is that is their relationships why do you have anything
05:32:51.640to add on that yeah the that alignment part uh lord and the other and and the holy fray are
05:32:58.200referred to as the best of the ouse um but yeah i think one way if you're coming if morris taylor's
05:33:05.000coming at this from a not or very very new or not even just um yeah the the gods of of cosmic order
05:33:14.600of the sky and of light and of fire uh and the gods of natural law water and earth they come
05:33:22.680into alignment and they have dominion both here in the middle and above um but the the part where
05:33:30.520it says they the the vanir had sibling marriage um one i there's two things on that one one is
05:33:37.960either snorri was lending to the stories as they were coming in so he's prefacing it but at most
05:33:46.200a lot of folks think that this refers back to an Iron Age migrational period of the Aryans moving
05:33:53.720into a Stone Age Aryan group that had already settled into Europe, or Bronze Age, and that
05:34:01.880they had different cultural ties. So if it takes place in the non-mythic sense, there's belief
05:34:13.640that that a lot of the the two families of the gods were have been coalesced and compared to
05:34:20.360these time frames within our history and that may be where that specifically is mentioning it's just
05:34:26.280like when the uh when um skavi chooses uh lord nyorth by his feet did she actually do that as a
05:34:36.280divine being no and it doesn't it's making reference to a a wedding game so i think that a
05:34:45.320lot of these things that kind of recognized for songwriting um i think a lot of these uh these
05:34:53.800mentions come in from from uh cultural aspects mythos is like that it's like it's like a rope
05:35:01.960you've got a lot of different pieces of twine coming together and uh sometimes cultural
05:35:07.080references are brought in like um thor getting the hammer on his lap at at uh the wedding that he has
05:35:14.920to uh fake being freya why would they do that that's a cultural reference to what was done
05:35:22.440at actual weddings all right and then to cap off the evening
05:35:31.960interesting one what are your thoughts on following an ancestral diet only eating foods
05:35:41.320that are native to europe i hear the narana society is implementing this by researching
05:35:46.520the diet of our ancestors do you think this is taking the ancestral thing too far i think that's
05:35:53.240absolutely silly and ridiculous not only is it silly and ridiculous i think that is laughable
05:36:00.280um yeah I think it's absolutely stupid and I'm sorry to say that I think that I appreciate
05:36:15.280as an academic exercise being curious what our ancestors ate I think if as a cultural
05:36:23.500expression you exploring the cuisine of your ancestors as a way to cook and bond with them
05:36:28.840that's great that's wonderful but acting like we need to eat what our ancient ancestors ate
05:36:37.320is the way to do things break out the shark that's first that's gross you're rotten sharks nasty
05:36:47.000come on icelandic nonsense we're in a society better get some shark out
05:36:52.200no that's absurd and it's this is this is a thing and it's important the backward facing nonsense
05:37:03.240of that is offensive on the face if as a cultural thing because it's cool you want to try some ancient
05:37:10.920recipe that's fine but why abandon the advancements of the last 2 000 years to
05:37:24.760try to eat like primitive our ancestors would have given anything to have the options that we have
05:37:33.800today due to our innovation to reject all of the ground that they covered in order to
05:37:42.680pretend that we're old-timey vikings is a slap in the face for the last
05:37:49.480you know 30 some generations that built and grew and achieved and developed and conquered and traded
05:37:59.240and did things so that we could have things are delicious and make our lives better
05:38:07.880the rejection of that to somehow deify most of our ancestors they didn't eat there were certain
05:38:14.920things that probably had a ritual connotation but a lot of the time they ate what they ate
05:38:21.160because they didn't want to starve and depending on where you were you ate the food that was
05:38:27.160available to you and before your trade routes were really set up well before you were noble
05:38:35.320or whatever you probably didn't season anything and you probably were thankful to have a warm meal
05:38:41.320in your belly and that was probably enough to restrict our diet to that in some kind of
05:38:48.680i don't know historical flagellation is
05:38:56.600it's not just ludicrous it's offensive to me and it kind of disgusts me a little bit
05:39:04.920what are your thoughts fawn i i'll be and this isn't me being a nice guy but i'll go
05:39:11.080with a little bit more on the positive side you got the disapproval face like flying and
05:39:18.680No, so I'm aware of, and I think there is some proclivity towards, you know, like the damages that maybe corn and wheat or sugar in and of itself has on the human body, modern advances there.
05:39:42.120But I think that if you're trying to address those issues, you can address those with modern scientific knowledge. A lot of people that have studied and understand the dangers of what these kind of like sugars, in essence, would be a problem for you to take it back to a strictly historical sense.
05:40:05.100it's kind of navel gazing it's kind of odd it's that's the part i don't quite understand is like
05:40:11.340it's kind of like what i spoke about earlier like if our ancestors didn't have the ability to have
05:40:15.900whiskey so you shouldn't give it to the gods that's a that's an insult and it's like no it's
05:40:21.740not and and i mean our ancestors were innovative in a lot of ways they they um they accepted wine
05:40:29.500that was a clear you know we know that for a fact that there you know mead was very hard to get but
05:40:35.580they did make it they had cider and they had um ale but they also had wine that wasn't readily
05:40:41.020available to them or at least the northern ancestors but um yeah food wise i think the
05:40:45.820biggest thing would be to address sugar and you can do that with a lot of modern scientific data
05:41:21.400mcdonald's actually prepared food i get crap versus quality food but to limit your quality
05:41:33.640food to that which was accessible and how far back do you take it to perhaps stone age people
05:41:42.200that's silly enjoy your food there's so many delicious things to eat out there don't be
05:41:54.220ridiculous um make you can make healthy choices you can do a lot of things if you don't like
05:42:06.380the way that current um agricultural practices create corn because i think old corn is probably
05:42:14.060really different than today's corn or you know the over processing of wheat or whatever but especially
05:42:21.260when you go back to europe wheat and like bread culture is such a huge part of european cuisine
05:42:28.780tradition and the bread in europe's really different than the highly processed bread we
05:42:33.420in here wanting to cut out some of the processed food all of that's beside the point trying to eat
05:42:41.740like you're a caveman or a viking outside of just curiosity it's larpy beyond any justification and
05:42:55.100and uh it will forever get my ulterior gothic disapproval in large measure um i ain't got time
05:43:04.460for that it's fun do you have any more to add on this cuisine debacle yeah i think i mean i have a
05:43:14.300uh cookbook called ancestral cooking and i it really opened me up to some things especially
05:43:20.860like fermented things like um making sauerkraut and all that stuff and i think that's fun i think
05:43:26.140it's fun to explore the palette of these things and um and like what you said the quality and
05:43:33.260moving away from perhaps too much processing or modernity and and again i always emphasize just
05:43:39.500the the uh dangers of sugar in and of itself whether it's natural or or um artificial or
05:43:46.620or what have you um but i don't think it's something that would i wouldn't be wise to
05:43:55.500occupy your entire time um doing and i mean again you got to be ready to go down because
05:44:03.420having you know like a rabbit wrapped in the stomach of a cow um you know and fermented shark
05:44:11.260and lutefisk and all that stuff um they did that because preservation was not
05:44:19.660you know it was that it was the highest form of keeping your food as long as it could without it
05:44:23.740spoiling so that when you didn't have food you wouldn't die um i mean i don't know i i get the
05:44:30.540idea of it but to make it so sanctioned and to create a diet and then to kind of and and we're
05:44:36.300projecting some of this so i know that they started this thing about their sacred stew
05:44:42.380that they try to make and there's like some kind of nine ingredients of whatever
05:44:49.740stuff that some viking people ate cool if you're doing a special ritual thing where that's important
05:44:56.620to what you're doing fine but in your day-to-day diet there's no reason in our lore or just in any
05:45:05.260kind of common sense that says our ancestors preferred to do it that way
05:45:13.820they ate what they had that was available and longed for more delicious food the second europeans
05:45:21.020got spices and things that were delicious the royalty the ones who could use them
05:45:27.740used them they begin to trade in them because culinary innovation was so important to them
05:45:35.260Every branch of our ancestors that had access to delicious things chose the delicious things over the stuff that you ate out of desperation so it didn't rot and you didn't starve over the winter.
05:45:50.880to forsake that is just kind of, kind of LARPy and silly.
05:45:57.120You know, it's one of those things, and I really mean this to me,
05:46:05.040and some of it is hyperbole because I find this LARP stuff obnoxious.
05:46:09.260But when I dial it all back, our ancestors,
05:46:13.980one of the defining characteristics of our race is our ability to,
05:46:19.580expand and to grow and to grow beyond our limitations, to do new things, to develop
05:46:28.600better ways of doing stuff, to forsake all of that and try to live like ancient people
05:46:36.380is such a disrespect to the people that worked and toiled their entire life
05:46:43.640to give us something better, to give their children something better.
05:46:49.580Yeah, don't pretend that you're ancient people unless you're doing some kind of reenactment stuff.
05:46:58.300If you want to do reenactment things, that's fantastic.