00:13:22.220I was just, the fact that we're talking about this and when you propose this at such short
00:13:28.500notice that it was just like, Hey, you want to do this? And I was just like, yes, this is like
00:13:34.000bursting. But, um, yeah, no, for, for, uh, as you had said, when you were talking about
00:13:40.560the continental European lore of the Goths, of the Lombards, of, um, the Rus and all of this,
00:13:49.840the best way that I've always kind of organized it is pre Linden's farm, post Linden's farm.
00:13:57.080And the only reason why I use Linden's Farm, the attack on Linden's Farm, is because that's something that I think even people who are not ousted through know about.
00:14:07.620They are aware of the attack of the Vikings when they first showed up and the English were making poems about the Northmen.
00:14:18.340And ironically, of course, it does highlight, too, the great loss, how far away the Anglo-Saxons had fallen, at least surface level, from their native religion.
00:14:34.300Um, so I generally look at the, it's like 793, um, before that's continental. And then you have
00:14:45.680the Nordic period that carries a lot of that. And that goes past the Nordic period to what you just
00:14:54.100asked me to explain. In the year 1000, Iceland is established. And it's established in a very
00:15:07.680unique way. Most of the people that went to Iceland went because they were avoiding
00:15:15.000Harold the Fairhair, who we spoke about in Eil Skalagrimsson's saga.
00:15:24.040So one of the things that they wanted to do was not create a monarchy, but to create a
00:15:33.020collaborated group under a law. And then the Gothar would memorize the law and guide the people and
00:15:41.580make sure everyone was following the rules, and there was courts to be held, and so on and so
00:15:47.260forth. One of the big things that was going on, obviously, is that throughout mainland Scandinavia,
00:15:54.400Christianity was spreading, but that's actually a misnomer. See, it wasn't Christianity.
00:16:02.800The people that spread Christianity were very much Viking or Northmen warriors, and they saw an opportunity. They saw a future in which they could collaborate and consolidate their power under this new religion.
00:16:24.540So it wasn't the religion didn't spread. The churches weren't out there converting people. It was warriors that were utilizing this. And they did it quite violently.
00:16:38.620And so the folks in Iceland saw this and they decided, OK, instead of us converting by war and we're going to have a big fight, let's hold a vote.
00:16:57.260And the vote was that on Sunday, you go to the church of the God of Rome or the God of Israel.
00:17:07.480And then when you're at home, whoever you honor, that's your own business.
00:17:14.840And that was one of the most diplomatic ways in which Christianity was accepted.
00:17:22.220And it ironically, too, was accepted in a non-Christian sense because the head of Iceland at the time went under the cloak.
00:17:31.920He, in essence, performed an act of seether in order to get the guidance he needed in order to proceed on from here.
00:17:43.520And what that was was the compromise between the two.
00:17:47.560Now, ultimately, though, propaganda and a lot of things happened in Iceland to where the old faith was, again, demonized.
00:17:59.840And it really depended on how the church looked at the old religion.
00:18:05.400And we're going to talk about that today with the Adas, because the demonization of the gods was not fully ramped up yet.
00:18:17.380And I would argue not even fully ramped up during the time of Snorri.
00:18:22.520I think that he was more concerned with the political power of the Norwegian church specifically.
00:18:34.700And as some people who've read it, I know there's probably a lot of folks here who have read it and they know what I'm referring to.
00:18:42.420But I'm going to have to try to phrase it, too, for people that might not have read it.
00:18:47.360So the transition from the old faith to the new faith was not one of sweeping violence.
00:18:57.780It was not one of marriage and indebting families and clans or putting them in debt through war or through marriage.
00:19:14.160it was done softly. And in doing so, it kept a tradition that was the skaldic poetry of the age,
00:19:29.000of the last, I would even argue, 500 years. And it had changed very little. The concept was,
00:19:37.900Why write things down? You have a storyteller, you have a poet, and then you have your gothar who are often both one and the same. And, you know, you would gather at the Hoff, you would gather at prominent houses for holy tides, and you would hear the stories and the stories would be passed down to their apprentices. And it didn't change a lot.
00:20:01.320So, when Icelanders took to writing things down, it wasn't such a stretch for them. The usage of the Latin alphabet was adopted. And this is one good thing that certainly, and I bring this up a lot, and people get mad at me for saying this, but there are benefits to the coming of Christianity.
00:20:28.460And I have been vocal about the violence in Scandinavia, and many of our heroes died at the hands of Christians. But I can also look at some of the benefits and the honings. And one of them is that writing came to Scandinavia.
00:20:46.240And so the stories were being spoken while simultaneously they were being written down and there were smatterings here and there.
00:20:59.080So what we have to realize is from the year 1000, it's almost 200 years when Snorri compiles a lot of the stories and then adds his own onto it.
00:21:19.380and i think a lot of people don't realize that and to put that into context it's like us now
00:21:27.060taking manuscripts from 1775 and compiling them together and there will perhaps even take a
00:21:38.020little bit of work to unify them but you want to keep them as authentic as possible and then
00:21:46.580And basically, it would be like me flexing and saying, I am so well versed in these 1775
00:21:55.700manuscripts that I'm going to add this addition and I'm going to explain to future poets
00:22:03.140why our ancestors were doing this, why our ancestors were utilizing these things, because
00:22:09.600Snorri had a great connection to a lot of the lore that is completely lost now to us.
00:22:18.680But in between the foundation of Iceland and Snorri, we have to talk about Simon der Froði.
00:22:39.000He was speculated to study in an ancient medieval school called the Black School, which was a mountainous cave system in the Carpathian Mountains where the devil led the classes.
00:22:58.000and or or that they they received their works through holes in the wall so that they were
00:23:04.740like living and scholarly writing things down and then he magically came back to iceland i mean
00:23:12.740there's a lot to talk about simon and a lot of that is is again it's the legend and that's when
00:23:20.100we start to see nordic and i guess medieval magic starting to overlay with each other
00:23:27.240because he goes to a school that's supposed to be run by the devil.
00:23:31.980But then he travels back to Iceland with shape-shifting,
00:23:39.940which is, I think, more a Nordic or just a Germanic sense of legend.
00:23:48.780So you do see a lot of dabbling back and forth.
00:23:51.320But what really is more important for people to understand
00:23:55.100is that he formulated the original Codex Regius,
00:24:01.500or he did the Nore Kanungatol, the story of the Norwegian kings,
00:24:13.720and that is what Snorri ultimately pulled a lot of his stuff from
00:24:20.080and made sense of it, honed it, if you will, put it into a, he purposely brought it together.
00:24:30.520And I think he had a very, very legitimate reason. And I'm, you know, I was thinking too,
00:24:35.560we will certainly go over that. I mean, there was many reasons, but there was a really good reason
00:24:41.660why. He was ramping this up and making sure that Icelandic poetry was about to be brought forth
00:24:50.680on the world stage, or at least the Scandinavian stage, in authenticity. And so that's kind of
00:24:59.560the spot between the founding of Iceland
00:25:28.040And I'm very neutral on him in relation because I ultimately believe he was a part in the machinations of the greatest king, Lord Odin.
00:25:44.060But I think that's more like end of show kind of summations.
00:25:48.680But, yeah, I think that it's also worth noting that a lot of the stories that came to Saimander and also Snorri, their structure is older than themselves.
00:26:06.260So, the writing system, again, using that analogy I had before, if we were talking about things in the 1700s, but the writing system or traditions, and specifically poetry, going all the way back to the 1500s, 1400s.
00:26:30.160And poetry, one of the benefits of poetry versus writing is that its structure keeps it longer without any physical copy.
00:26:46.860It's like having strict rules on sounding and changing them is extremely hard and extremely noticeable.
00:27:00.160If you go against the poetic laws and go against the poetic meters, it's very easy to see that somebody's been editing them.
00:27:13.500And that's another big important thing that we need to consider when we talk about Snorri in relation to the lore because of his drive built on poetics.
00:27:26.340But yeah, that's to answer just your question about from the year 1000 to Snorri is, you know, is 1200s, it's 250 years or so from the foundation.
00:27:40.740And again, a lot of the stories that we gain, the way that the words and the poems themselves are constructed lends to an understanding that a lot of them were probably comprised in 800 or just before 1000.
00:28:51.080All right, this is the background in which we find the written material of
00:28:59.100lore that would come to be known as the Ediths. Can you tell folks, I guess, let's focus in
00:29:08.340on the biography and understanding of Simondr. For anybody who doesn't know, Simondr Frohdy
00:29:17.640is like Simondr, the learned, silent, the scholar.
00:29:22.980Simon the wise or Simon the learned. Yeah, you want me to kind of just
00:29:36.780tell people who he is and Nick if you can throw up his cool statue.
00:29:41.340so back then in iceland there's a statue oh wait i want to see everybody look i don't know if they
00:29:52.940can this is actually on the site or in the area of the institute that he founded at the time um
00:30:05.580Yeah, it is, as Scandinavians often do, this is kind of an interesting modern style that's very clean, but it's of him clubbing a seal with a book, and Svan will get to what the seal illustrates in his story here.
00:30:29.120Yeah. So it's. He. Simon, there is a scholar of in Iceland and we're going to go back to, I guess, Iceland or Icelanders, especially in the grand stage of things.
00:30:49.120I know people were there were some Internet goobers talking about, oh, you know, they think they're so whatever with their with their Iceland or talking about me.
00:31:02.180And I'm half Icelandic, but that was kind of a thing even back then when they had the, after a couple, about 150 years after the conversion or the establishment of Iceland,
00:31:20.320Icelanders were kind of known for being chronological writers of history and or speaking.
00:31:33.620And so I don't know what it is about islands in a sense.
00:31:38.120Like there's skaldic tradition in Iceland and say poetic and musical tradition in like Ireland.
00:31:47.500You said you don't know what it is about islands.
00:31:50.320this is a thing that i've mentioned on the broadcast a number of times but all right so
00:31:58.240our loyal audience that listens regularly please be aware that a lot of folks don't watch regularly
00:32:07.680and might not know some of the things so if i repeat myself uh grant me the the credit that
00:32:13.840it's it's my advancing age or that i'm speaking to an audience that maybe hears it for the first
00:32:20.400time but this is really important wait a minute there's a concept called you are also old
00:32:31.680you can tell by the gray in your beard purely circumstance so somebody random aside because
00:32:38.560we do stream of consciousness on this program um some of you might wonder how come in the
00:32:44.080winter time i have a beard and in the summer i don't it all came out of the genesis when i
00:32:49.520started and just kind of curious used to be i kept a short beard all year long then i shaved
00:32:56.800it off because i got tired of it then a couple of years went by and i'm and i don't know just
00:33:01.360got curious and let it start growing in but i noticed it's getting gray in my beard and so
00:33:06.080I always kind of look forward to every fall. I stop shaving on the fall equinox and I resume
00:33:14.000shaving. I mean, I trim it or whatever, keep my beard trimmed, but I resume, you know, being clean
00:33:19.260shaven on the spring equinox. And every year I look forward to seeing how much more gray is coming in
00:33:25.420and a little bit more every year. So that said, what's this thing about islands?
00:33:33.180there is a i guess there's two points i'd like to cover here before i get back to
00:33:40.460swan's telling of the life and times of simon or frody so there's a concept called the zealotry
00:33:48.860of the fringe that we see with cultures that um when there's a lot of migration
00:33:55.820we see that as a culture spreads out over distance the far edges maintain the tradition of the
00:34:06.100culture in a very particular and special way because they are further removed from the sights
00:34:15.960sound and ever presence of those things of their homeland so they cherish those things in a really
00:34:25.220special way those stories and legends and poetry and those cultural things that are mobile they
00:34:38.020preserve those because that's their piece of home that they take with them
00:34:44.900so the further you see the migration of a people you have this zealotry of the fringe
00:34:49.700where the people on the frontier are very connected with their roots very connected with
00:34:56.420where they're come from because they bond with and forge their identity around those things
00:35:02.500it's very easy when you are in a location and your parents were there and your grandparents
00:35:09.220were there and everybody who's ever been in your they've all been there since the dawn of time
00:35:13.300to get very complacent. And I think we all do this to a different degree. Sociologically,
00:35:21.060you see this over the course of generations or even longer, but we see it within our own lives.
00:35:27.960Often, if you live a place for a long time, when you have people from the outside that come and
00:35:31.780visit, they're amazed by all of these things. We all tend to take things for granted when those
00:35:37.580things are around us. I grew up in Alaska and, you know, all the super cool who's and
00:35:44.540ah's that people have about Alaskan stuff. Yeah, I enjoyed those things or those were
00:35:49.520cool things. But that was just Tuesday. That was, you know, just what what was. But you'd
00:35:57.660have tourists that wait their whole lives to go visit this amazing place and are blown
00:36:02.840away by every element of it to where those of us that are from there, not in the same way because
00:36:10.020we're surrounded by that. It has become normal and fades into the background. So this idea of
00:36:16.120the zealotry of the fringe is really important when you get culture pushed to its edges. It's
00:36:23.280the same reason that Iran and Ireland are named land of the Aryans, because those are kind of
00:36:30.360the furthest edges of Aryan migration until, you know, 1492. So what we see, if you look at the
00:36:41.440same distance, just about that same distance away, you have Iceland. And
00:36:46.680it's interesting, linguistically, modern Icelandic is mutually intelligible to Old Norse. It's
00:36:58.380Exactly the same as Old Norse in a lot of ways. And in the ways that it deviates, they're small enough that it's said that, you know, a modern Icelander could talk to a, you know, to a Norwegian Viking from 900 and they could have a conversation.
00:37:14.400Their points of reference might be different, but linguistically, they could have a fluid conversation.
00:37:20.980You don't see that same continuity even in other Scandinavian language groups that are all derived from Old Norse.
00:37:31.760Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish are all very different because they haven't as staunchly hung on to those linguistic traditions.
00:37:44.260the way that Icelanders have so we even see this focus on preserving authentic lore authentic
00:37:51.540culture authentic language in Iceland to this day and it's it's really kind of a special thing
00:37:58.020so continue I just wanted to interject that yeah no um and I I'm gonna go off on a little bit of
00:38:09.220a tangent here. So Simon Durr was, if you look him up, he's mentioned as being part of the
00:38:19.720Svartascholi, the black school. But what that really is referring to is a common medieval trope
00:38:32.160that was flying around um back then especially in scholastic circles um of what was called the the
00:38:41.360scola months or the scola mancy the scola minari there is uh the skull manata this school um
00:38:51.040In Romania, where the scholar would go in, he'd be in a group of nine to 13, again, significance there, and he would have to learn all of the history of humanity from the collected book that is there, and then also add his own knowledge to it.
00:39:19.360but yet he was also learning. It was underground. The students were not allowed to be exposed to
00:39:29.920the sunlight. The devil chose one who, the graduates to be like what they called a weather
00:39:39.580maker. And he was tasked with riding a dragon to control the weather. So you got to bear in mind
00:39:49.240what this really is, is that Simon der leaves Iceland and he learns much. I don't, we don't
00:40:00.220know where he goes. We don't know all of the things he learns. However, I think that the
00:40:06.960Solomance or the, the Skolomance is a, it's kind of an education system outside of the church,
00:40:16.220which is the big important part and i think that's also why there's a great level of demonization
00:40:22.800against it is that there's these scholars that are learning things of lore from before the
00:40:32.780establishment of the holy roman empire and certainly influenced by it uh because it's not
00:40:40.860just cut off and then restarted. Everything's kind of flowing into each other. But then what
00:40:47.280ends up happening is there is this whole secret society feel to it. But I honestly believe that
00:40:57.460it wasn't what everyone was trying to make it out to believe. And I do believe that it very much was
00:41:08.280a learned system or a group of teachers, people who were sending scholars to each other in order
00:41:17.880to write things down, but they were distinctly outside of the church's control. And in doing so,
00:41:27.400that created a lot. But the reason why I brought up about Ireland is, again, I think many of us
00:41:34.140are familiar with the trope uh that comes from ireland of the musician or the poet who meets at
00:41:40.140the crossroads and meets the devil and either uh well generally he tricks the devil out of uh getting
00:41:50.620his soul and there that's no different with simon so the stories of simon dude um by the time of
00:42:00.300snorty's age he knows these stories but there is a tangible uh book made by simon that which is
00:42:10.080lost to us now um you can't find the uh the codex of of norwegian kings by simender but he was in
00:42:21.220essence an editor as he came back to iceland he got all of the stories of his people uh together
00:42:32.340in one place but i don't think they were in any distinct order i think it was again more about
00:42:39.700how much he could get as fast as he could get it he saw what was going on and so he gathered
00:42:47.780everything up and created the adas in a proto form and then snorty comes in later and i think
00:43:01.260he links and and shaves some things to to be more streamlined for the poet and then he adds on a
00:43:10.160guide to poetry um so the the two of them together very very important but uh the story about the
00:43:18.760seal is that he so he's in this the black school the soul minari or um or the solomance and uh
00:43:28.080one of the students is going to be given up to the devil so they don't know which one
00:43:33.600and they the lots are drawn and it falls on simon dude um but simon the tricks the devil
00:43:42.640numerous times uh there's one story where he tricks him about tying a mutton chop to the
00:43:51.040inside of his cloak and the devil grabs him and grabs the mutton chop instead of his legs so he
00:43:57.660can escape um there's all kinds of you know little stories like that and then of course too
00:44:03.200there is the story of of him leaving and he says uh that you know he wants to return to iceland he
00:44:11.160wants to go back to the land of his people and um uh the school says you know no you may you're
00:44:18.480allowed to come in but you're all going to lose your souls but one of you is going to lose your
00:44:22.900life. And, um, he convinces the devil to, uh, he wants to return, um, in, uh, without getting wet
00:44:37.160is kind of how it's, it's said he, he makes, uh, that he wants to be carried home to Iceland.
00:44:43.920in uh and as he escapes him at the end at their arrival when he hits the seal on the head with
00:44:54.000uh the the bible and steps safely ashore so he tricks the devil and kind of gives you know old
00:45:04.060nick the the the jabbing what it is is he rides the seal he can't it says uh he wants to without
00:45:11.420touching water. And when he gets to the end, he hits the devil in the head with the Bible.
00:45:20.020Now, I thought of a couple things about this. One, it kind of, I think, for the folk who are
00:45:27.060just now, they're just coming out of the old faith. There's the new, this new faith is coming
00:45:35.060in this trope is super common it's older than um than christianity itself but it also does kind of
00:45:46.660safeguard simon dude from the up and coming church uh and more importantly it's again it's the the
00:45:55.140people who are working for the church the people who are utilizing its rise to consolidate their
00:46:02.580power. And I'm not saying that they're absolved of anything, surely not. But what I am saying is,
00:46:09.280is that generally they weren't doing a lot of the work. The work was done by Nordic warriors who
00:46:16.760did not see Christianity the way Christians see Christianity now, certainly. And also it could
00:46:27.920simply just mean it was a fun kind of thing he you know he got the nev the the knowledge from
00:46:34.400the devil and then rode across the sea and right before the devil uh you know gets his soul he
00:46:41.000yeah still viking go bunk no uh it's it's just see it's a trope we can't get rid of it no um
00:46:50.640And he hits the seal on the head with the Bible, and he runs up on the shore and escapes. So that is a lot of the more fantastical.
00:47:07.560And just bear this in mind, too. So not only is there this medieval school as being a kind of common trope, it's utilized elsewhere. This isn't the only place that it's referred to.
00:47:22.920um but we have like even before christianity uh a perfect example that i i immediately thought of
00:47:34.640when i was i was talking to alice here ago the just just before the show is that it reminds me
00:47:40.700a lot too of the great and grand escapades of pythagoras you know pythagoras was spoken of
00:47:48.740being able to raise storms and a lot of the miracles of jesus were actually taken by greek
00:47:55.700jews who were trying to synthesize christianity to the greeks and they wanted it to be more
00:48:04.180accepting or accepted acceptable so they added a lot from from bacchus and they added a lot from
00:48:11.700pythagoras the story of him making many fish uh is straight from pythagoras so cool stuff to look at
00:48:20.660you know if you're if you're writing any of this down yeah the the black school or the scola manse
00:48:26.740and pythagoras too are another really good rabbit holes to go down anyways simon there comes back
00:48:34.580and um at some point in uh he comprises the codex regius like in its proto form uh the the the the
00:48:48.100book of of the norwegian kings and also he gathers all of the lore all of the the poems um and
00:49:00.580and does some editing and does some unifying there but not a lot and then he he slips from
00:49:10.940history um but the other thing that's worth noting is he most likely wrote in latin um because that
00:49:18.740was at the time the latin alphabet was being adopted and there had not been a conversion
00:52:22.420during this i've been trying to run down a uh quote for you guys so that i'm still authentic
00:52:30.100no but i found it the trouble is translated it comes out differently in different people's
00:52:34.660translation but i found where it comes from um so you want me to go kind of into snorty
00:52:45.540We will in just a second. I just kind of want to talk briefly about what the point is of what, like the motivations and the purpose behind Simender's scholarship and what he's doing.
00:53:05.560um it is really important to keep in mind
00:53:13.300his efforts weren't to synchronize they weren't to
00:53:23.740syncretize I think is the the right usage of it in this case his points weren't to like somehow
00:53:33.320reconcile the Alcitru religion to Christianity his point wasn't to you know some kind of bridge
00:53:46.640a gap or whatever Alcitru was bad and of the devil and Christianity is good but he wanted
00:53:58.820to preserve the stories of his people.
00:54:01.580He wanted to preserve the histories of his people.
00:54:04.720And his entire point was to preserve it
00:54:07.220and have preservation, not to alter it,
00:54:10.400to like make it okay or to like massage it
01:15:34.420starting fresh. You're continuing something on into the future.
01:15:39.280And we also need to, so we need to be informed by logic. We need to
01:15:42.460trace these things back logically. We also need to be informed by faith.
01:15:48.080This isn't, you know, and again, different people
01:15:50.460watching this program may approach it from a different angle. But
01:15:53.780But this is produced by the Aus True Folk Assembly. Svan and I are Gothar, or priests. So we believe that these gods are very real. They are with us. They are the same gods that were with our Viking ancestors. They are the same gods that shaped our folk and have been with us, you know, since Hyperborea.
01:16:15.200and they're the same gods that will be there for our children and our great-grandchildren
01:16:20.760we also believe that they communicate to us in different ways at different times and that they
01:16:30.220weave or shape destiny in a way to help things that they approve of come about
01:16:39.240And so looking at our transmission of lore with logic, but also with the eye of faith and of, you know, belief is really important as well.
01:16:54.180That said, can you take us from Simondor to Snorri?
01:17:00.240snoring okay so the kind of the missing link is is exactly what alzheimer godi said is is adi or
01:17:09.880otti otti is a church or uh again it's it's a church a town and more importantly it's a it's
01:17:20.080a center in which historical and poetic traditions pass down. So it was founded by Simon. And then
01:17:32.800his grandson, there were other notable historical scholars that went to this church to learn. And
01:17:45.520And one of them is, of course, Snorri Studlersson. And he was educated there. And that's where we kind of make that connection. There's the jump.
01:18:03.500even though there was maybe one generation
01:21:00.160Having an Icelander in your court to teach you about the old kings
01:21:06.360in particular he was able to to recite the stories of the kings he was able to to show you lineage
01:21:13.880and to tell you the grandiose stories of of the kings before you that was huge and in doing so
01:21:22.780he made this this friendship um with the king of norway and i think he was trying to protect his
01:21:32.340people as well. There was a general understanding that the, uh, the kingdom of Norway was looking
01:21:39.980to expand its borders, was looking to take in more places, including Iceland. And he was trying
01:21:48.620to avoid bloodshed and bear in mind, this is only 200 years after, um, the, uh, the Viking age,
01:22:00.480if you will and the icelanders still have fight in them and and and unfortunately he's trying i
01:22:08.480think to avoid a fight and he ends up creating one and and again that's just the tragic nature
01:22:17.120of a lot of these stories but his political nature is that he's trying to um get the king
01:22:28.320of Norway to not attack Iceland, but that he would go there and then he would unite Iceland
01:22:35.980and agree to go under Norway's crown and he would be the vassal for the king. Pretty straightforward,
01:22:45.660but without the king having to go over there and do any war. Well, it ended up causing a civil war
01:22:52.280because not everyone agreed at all with Snorri, and a lot of them did not want to join under the
01:23:01.640crown of Norway, and it was split all over the place. Some of Snorri's sons were against him.
01:23:09.660Some of his sons were with him, whole families, and bear in mind, you know, this isn't a great
01:23:18.580scaled war but 2 000 people on iceland is a lot of people if they're all fighting each other um
01:23:28.900and killing each other so it was again very very very bloody and then the the irony of that of
01:23:38.960course too is that later on the king of norway um as snorty starts to talk to uh dang it i forgot
01:23:48.320his name i will get it in a moment he um snorri ends up talking to him and king halkan who is now
01:23:58.320an adult he's no longer a teenager he sees that as a huge stab in the back and he ends up sending
01:24:10.000assassins to to dispatch of snorri in his home in iceland so there's a lot of that as well
01:24:17.520But I think it's that's almost kind of side running to the fact that Simon Döter sets up this school and Snorri Stuttersson is one of the students there.
01:24:32.820And I think that adds to his acumen as a not only is he a statesman and a politician and a well-spoken keeper of the law is that he's so he's well-versed and wants to keep the traditions of that or not only just keep the traditions.
01:24:54.020This is what I was talking about or hinting about earlier. I think that ultimately he saw something that was going to bring Icelanders and Icelandic poetry into a highly valuable market.
01:25:11.460And that was one of his main reasons why he wanted Iceland to join the Norwegian crown.
01:25:18.480The idea of an Icelander kind of keeping chronological history of your deeds or knowing the history of the Danes, knowing the history of the Norwegians, knowing the history of the Swedes, all of that was time capsuled in them.
01:25:44.260So Snorri, I think, was thinking that if the Icelandic people were brought into the crown of Norway,
01:25:53.480there would be courts in which Icelandic poets would be absorbed into immediately.
01:26:03.260And that's what was his main motivation outside of obviously the authenticity.
01:26:09.140I think that's why he kept the authenticity.
01:26:11.460but his leaning towards making the pros aid us and why he's teaching poets how to speak is kind
01:26:22.080of like hey we're gonna be needed here and you can make a life again with poetics and and make
01:26:32.080a good reputation for yourself just like in days of yore but you've got to know your stuff otherwise
01:26:40.540Otherwise people are going to know you're, you're faking it. And so I think that was the big move, um, that ultimately led to the recompilation of the, um, prosatas and also the poetic atas.
01:27:00.580So for those who don't know, the prosatas are the collection of stories, historical, also about the holy divine gods that he, again, is pulling from Saimander.
01:29:12.700Jan Lofsson, who was presiding and maintaining all of the materials that were collected and codified by Simender.
01:29:26.360And I assume we're still coming in and collected.
01:29:28.860But there's a wealth of things there, not just what we have as the poetic etta these days,
01:29:35.320But countless other pieces that are quoted.
01:29:41.540So first, countless other pieces that existed, but other little things that we're tantalizingly, you know, know about through their quotations and use in other works that don't exist anymore and that we don't have access to currently.
01:29:58.400So it's important to know that Snorri had access to all of the things that we have access to as far as Old Norse literature is concerned.
01:30:09.360But he also had access to a lot of materials, an incalculable amount of material that we don't have access to any longer.
01:30:17.700so when reading Snorri's Edda there's going to be things that are very familiar because you
01:30:25.720recognize them from the poetic Edda but there's also a lot of knowledge that Snorri has that he
01:30:36.160he's able to provide that's from other sources and additional materials collected there which
01:30:42.980is really interesting. I was just going to say, remember Simon writes in Latin, and this is for
01:30:51.800the folks at home. One of the students before Snorri was a guy named Ari Thorkilsson, and he
01:30:59.380was the first one to translate the Latin into Old Norse. So huge point to him in the sense that
01:31:09.200the reason why Snorri's works are in Old Norse is because of Ari, who is also at Akhti, the church.
01:31:25.940Yeah, so I want to emphasize kind of the connectivity between the two and how we get
01:31:33.780the stuff that we have you know it's uh simoners edda is referred to as the elder edda
01:31:39.700but don't imagine that means you know over the span of centuries or it's of some great antiquity
01:31:46.100it's you know in his in stories grandfather's day so it's you know older by
01:31:55.780several decades not by hundreds of years
01:31:58.340another thing i wanted to kind of point out and i don't think this gets emphasized enough one of
01:32:08.480the reasons i bring it up is i was talking to swan before the broadcast today there's this
01:32:14.500trope out there that you know we rely too heavily on the eddas and they're they've been christianized
01:32:26.820And they were written down by Christians and, you know, altered and messed up because Snorri was a Christian, so he wrote Christian stuff in there.
01:32:36.380But without a lot of thought to like, okay, like what?
01:32:39.980Okay, what things do you think that he wrote that were Christian and why do you think he put Christian things in there?
01:32:45.720And I think there's a couple of points that I want to make about that.
01:32:49.380first one is when you read his prologue to his etta which is off-putting to all of us who read it
01:32:58.500but he makes the point of you him rising the gods and all right guys don't you know don't get it
01:33:07.600twisted here's here's what happened and adam and eve and noah and stuff and then eventually there
01:33:15.300was these really great and powerful kings and magicians and heroes in Troy. And then they
01:33:25.940traveled across the world and eventually they wound up in Scandinavia. And, you know, our
01:33:31.380ancestors were so, you know, dumbfounded and confused by the machinations of the devil that
01:33:37.740they didn't know about the true God. And they accepted these, you know, Trojan adventurers as
01:33:43.860their gods anyways this is what they believed but i think that's what i think that's really important
01:33:53.620though that wasn't woven into the story because that's uh you find that right before the poem
01:34:02.260the guilt beginning which is very important to how the house true folk assembly approach
01:34:08.020Ausatru. Snorri is for the first time writing down a
01:34:22.740explanatory, this is what Ausatru is, this is what those who practiced Ausatru believed.
01:34:32.820he writes it with the intention as a scholar to record these old things and you'll see in the next
01:34:42.840portion so all right to break it down further in his edda he wrote two three sections two of which
01:34:54.960are translated the third one isn't translated into English but the ones that we commonly read
01:35:04.700and are and refer to when we're talking about his etta are the gilfagining the diluting of gilfi
01:35:12.560and the uh skald skapermau which is a treatise on like here's how our ancestors referred to
01:35:23.200all the different mythological things in terms of kennings and poetic reference
01:35:29.440and it's the second part of it is intentionally instructive to
01:35:35.040uh scalds on how to be poets and how to use the language use the meter use the terminology make
01:35:44.560the references on how to carry on the linguistic and poetic tradition of the icelanders and so
01:35:53.120he's really meticulous to get it right none of this is intended to synchronize the two or to
01:36:00.880bring the ausitru material in line with christianity no he says this there's real christianity
01:36:09.280and our ancestors were wrong and they believed these men were gods
01:36:15.280but here is what they believed the fact that he adds a prologue is instead of inserting that
01:36:25.560into the text he's like hey guys this next stuff i'm about to tell you this is some nonsense our
01:36:31.080ancestors believed we all know the true god we all know adam and eve we was jews but this is what
01:36:41.140our ancestors believed. And then he presents it. And something that, and I had to, I had to round
01:36:47.120up where it was. That's one of the reasons that I was less present with you guys at the beginning
01:36:52.460of the broadcast than I wanted to be. Apologize for that. So what I was going to say is,
01:36:59.960I got to pull it back up because it was quotation and I want to get it right. In the, in the
01:37:07.500Skald Skapermal, he writes this. And this is advice that he is giving, again, because this
01:37:17.200poem is all about, hey, young Skalds who are studying this, listen up. This is how you do
01:37:24.520this right. This is informative. I'm teaching you something. He says, but now one thing must be said
01:37:30.000to young scalds um actually let me let me find something a little bit clearer here
01:37:40.140anyways so he says do not lose sight of these splendid tales of our fathers
01:37:48.360um but remember always that these old legends are to be used to point a moral or to adorn a tale
01:37:58.480and not to be believed or to be altered without the authority of the ancient scholars who knew
01:38:05.180them. Belief is sin. Tampering with tradition is a crime against scholarship.
01:38:18.280It shows that he has a commitment to getting it right and not adding things and not
01:38:27.980altering the material that's come to him and he's telling the skulls who are undoubtedly be inspired
01:38:35.420by the beauty of their ancestral faith now keep in mind guys don't get carried away this is the
01:38:42.620devil's work here don't don't buy into it but you need to know it and you need to know it in its
01:38:50.140authentic form so you can pass down authentic information, but don't be tricked. And he makes
01:38:58.180the separation. If he tried to merge the two, if he tried to rationalize the one to the other,
01:39:05.100if his point was to try to convert the heathen to Christianity, then I might look at the material
01:39:12.660very differently but it's made very clear that he's trying to be a diligent scholar in maintaining
01:39:21.440and recording this material fully acknowledging that this is not the word of god this is you know
01:39:30.780false belief but this is what our ancestors believed and i that's important to note that
01:39:39.700Simender, Snorri, and the entire school at Audie was about collecting and preserving, importantly, preserving authentic lore of our ancestors.
01:39:57.660These weren't, you know, it wasn't a mission for conversion or for disinformation or propaganda.
01:40:06.260It was to preserve these old, you know, devil, heathen materials so that they were preserved and could be learned from and that they could make these references and continue this ancient school of poetry.
01:40:27.660in the present and into the future um you know in a way not intentionally so we can do this
01:40:37.020but they're doing this at this time is the reason that we have the materials that we have today
01:40:44.220you know undoubtedly in the form that they have but certainly in the depth and the writ
01:40:48.700and the richness that we have and i think that we are very fortunate that we know what we do
01:40:56.300about the sourcing of this material, that we have so much of it recorded, that we haven't recorded
01:41:03.560much of it in a couple of different places to reference and see that they match up and that
01:41:09.720they work well together. It's not to say that it's perfect. It's not. And there's errors here
01:41:15.420and there, and you find them. What's important to note is we find errors, part of the learning
01:41:21.920the Old Norse a little bit. We find errors in translation of, you know, scholars from the early
01:41:29.4401900s that translated it. And again, they're scholars. These aren't translated by monks or
01:41:35.880priests at that point. They're, you know, loosely Christian, perhaps atheistic scholars that are
01:41:43.000just trying to record these things. And the translation will be, you know, slightly askew
01:41:49.120to give a slightly different meaning so you know there's errors in copying or errors in translating
01:41:55.920but there's not a effort to christianize our our lore that's very contrary to their purpose
01:42:05.520what makes it valuable and interesting is its exoticness the more they normalize it or bring
01:42:12.800it into line with what's currently in vogue you lose the ooh and the ah and the spectacle of these
01:42:21.040really interesting ancient icelandic traditions that they have recorded that's kind of what their
01:42:27.840coin of the realm is is their claim to authenticity and their meticulous scholarship of this very
01:42:34.480detailed poetry. And as Fawn said earlier, you're writing it in rhyme and in meter and stuff. So
01:42:44.900if you play with that, it becomes obvious when you're, you know, when your lyrics are out of
01:42:51.620sync, when stuff doesn't match up, those things are more easily noticed. Yeah, I think that was
01:42:59.200Adi that really set that bridge. Simon was trying to collect it and get it all, but it was Adi who
01:43:08.000was like, okay, now I'm reading the Latin and we're going to bring it over into Old Norse.
01:43:17.160And then eventually that goes down to Snorri. Yeah, I think that the concepts that people
01:43:27.140need to think about when we talk about the lore is that there are certain tropes that
01:43:36.380Snorty clearly does, whether they were done before him by others, and so maybe, you know,
01:43:44.540but the prologue. The prologue is a concept called Translatio Imperiae, in which medieval
01:43:51.800chroniclers wanted to establish their kingdoms as having an unbroken tradition all the way back
01:44:00.800to before Rome. So in this case, Snorri writes the prologue about the Aesir, and he uses really,
01:44:13.840they're not true. Like etymological connections, he says, oh, the Aesir are from Asia. And
01:44:24.300there is no etymological connection to, or the origins of those words are not the same.
01:44:32.700He tries to say that Hector is Thor and that Sif is Sibyl.
01:44:42.500But this happened throughout a lot of medieval texts.
01:44:53.380So I said Welsh and Irish, and I know some people were probably like, well, they're on the other sides of the wall to like the Anglosphere.
01:45:00.980But no, the French did it too. There was a lot of people. And the idea of it really was not about, it was about national identity. The idea was to make and to foster a national identity amongst your people, again, was to have this correlation.
01:45:22.860And the correlation of, you know, like Troia Nova, the new Troy, was a popular trope. So he put that in the prologue and it wasn't any different. But instead of applying it to a people or to the foundations of these kings, other than perhaps, you know, again, through lineage, the idea was upon the gods themselves.
01:45:48.860themselves. And after that, he moves on and he does bring the stories forward. And I think that
01:45:59.520really the only things we have to super look at when we look at the stories is when are they
01:46:08.560you hemorrhizing the divine um that i think is something when we see snorri or any of the
01:46:18.260scholars before them not quite knowing of the divinity and or defaulting to humanization
01:46:27.240that's what uh you hemorrhization means and so you see one of the things i think is
01:46:32.700It's a stark difference is when you see Simonder and Snorri and the information they present.
01:46:44.140It's also worth noting Snorri wrote the Heimskringle and also most, there is a common belief that
01:46:58.260he also wrote a saga um when you compare what they wrote as far as lore goes i'm using the air quotes
01:47:09.860sorry we got the narrow screen screen um and compare that with saxo grammaticus who
01:47:17.860is overtly a christian and he is trying to write a history that is cohesive
01:47:25.220with the sincere belief that our gods you know aren't real and that's nonsense but we have to
01:47:37.160connect all of these pieces so he blatantly humorizes and tries to make all of the pieces
01:47:45.260fit throughout the entirety of his work yeah you have for him was like the least of his
01:47:52.040that he's he doesn't care about preserving authenticity right what he wants to do is make a
01:47:57.480cohesive adam and eve up to the current monarch of denmark and make that all fit in a very fluid way
01:48:06.680that makes sense but that incorporates local legends and histories and stories and it's cool
01:48:12.420in its own right like if you know that going into it there's threads that you can pull out of it
01:48:18.380that are very interesting, but it's challenging. The big difference, I think, and again, we look
01:48:25.320at the ad that Snorri's ad ad as like one thing, and it's not. It's a couple of different pieces.
01:48:32.160The prologue is, I guess, in a way what Saxo did. It's like a, you know, okay, here's the setting.
01:48:41.080These were our ancestors. They were confused. They, you know, misunderstood these
01:48:45.660trojan adventurers but here's what they believed and then it is laid out very clearly
01:48:54.580establishing what the elder belief was he already said hey this is wrong but this is the nonsense
01:49:01.600our ancestors believed and it's important that we keep it written down and he presents that to us in
01:49:08.500the most clean way under the idea of Gilfie asking, cool, so how's the earth made? Who are
01:49:18.660the gods? How did this happen? What's this? What's that? He answers that. And if you read it, he
01:49:25.120answers that exclusively in Ausitru. There's no little asides. There's no trying to reconcile it
01:49:31.640with the Bible, that's not done there. What you see in the Skald Skapermal is different. You see
01:49:42.200a lot of asides there because he is presenting that as instructions to Skalds on how to compose
01:49:48.200things. So he makes little notes like, hey guys, this is what's related to this. This is Thor being,
01:49:55.640you know related to hector this is this is this piece hey guys remember to always do this remember
01:50:03.080to not do that he inserts a lot of editorial into that because the purpose of that piece is very
01:50:10.040different that's to instruct skulls on how to compose their poetry the first one is preserving
01:50:18.040what the corpus of that belief was here here is a here is a complete retelling of what our
01:50:28.440ancestors believed so you have that stage to work from and to draw from for all of these other
01:50:34.680things and that was done in the that's the only way that's come down to us that is a complete
01:50:44.520with the intent of presenting to an audience that didn't already know all of these things
01:50:51.640this is how this is our ancestral cosmology this is the belief of our ancestors
01:50:59.240and we don't see that presented in a chunk like that start to finish here is the complete like
01:51:06.280Like, let me tell you what Ausatru is.
01:51:11.180And that's why it's so particularly useful and appealing now for us to learn from and to benefit from the collected wisdom of these of our ancestors.
01:51:26.640Well, there's another part that people don't.
01:51:30.820Because, again, I'm trying to point out that it's very easy to say, ah, this is Christian stuff.
01:51:35.540But they're never actually looking at, like, viable things.
01:51:43.260They're just, again, the absence of pointing them out shows that they're just kind of using a straw man.
01:51:48.980One of the other things that I think is really important to consider is Simon Durr or all of the scholars up to Snorri, including Snorri himself.
01:51:58.500There seems to be interpolated verses from other poems as linking and connecting points because he's trying to prepare this to be spoken and sung in the courts.
01:52:16.980And there's gaps and there's problems with connectivity. So then there's this editing of bringing in poetics from scalds from other pieces and even just as old and brought in.
01:52:34.380A perfect example of that is the Dvergatal. The listing of the dwarves is generally believed by scholars that that's an early or a younger work brought into and interpolated.
01:52:52.080And some argue the Runetal is its own poem, but was added into the Hauvamau.
01:53:00.100And again, it's not completely and fully, not everyone agrees on this, but the overarching point of it is that there is this connecting factor to hone the stories down for the best presentation in the courts.
01:53:25.700and that involves not editing out it it involves pulling in more sources in order to bridge gaps
01:53:35.840between uh large corpuses of lore and i think that's a really interesting thing too because
01:53:41.360when we think of editing we think of like cutting out and no instead they were adding in and pulling
01:53:48.440from other places um so we get to see the evolution of poetics from old to new in one piece
01:53:59.440sometimes um the other thing that i wanted to bring up we would talked about the you hemorrhization
01:54:08.260But also, too, I think there was certainly Snorri was closer to the understanding of the faith. But I do think that the scholars themselves in certain concepts, like as we here in the Austro-Folk Assembly speak about post-ascension, their explaining of that is not very clear at all.
01:54:36.860And we've spoken about that with Skirner. So some of the concepts of of the religion itself versus the poetics start to kind of drift a little bit and get fuzzy in the relation of religion.
01:54:53.480The other two is the concepts of the soul and the afterlife. There is a perfect example is in the Ingetal when Snorri writes that there is King Njordr who is running Sweden.
01:55:15.980And then King Odin comes in after him. And as he is dying, he says, please stab me with a weapon so that I may go forth to meet my god. And then after he dies, King Freyr comes in.
01:55:35.980Now, an understanding that, and I don't know if Snorri was hiding it, but this, I think, is, of course, the cults of those gods, that the Swedes were heavily Vanic, and then there was an influx of Odinic worship, and then it was followed by more Vanic worship.
01:56:02.780Obviously, Lord Odin is euhemerized there because he's saying, please stab me so I can go forth to my god.
01:56:11.520And that's another concept that I think all of those scholars were trying to understand.
01:56:19.400One of the big ones was, oh, you have to die in battle in order to get into Valhall.
01:56:25.900and it was such a blanket sweep that it's never really super delved into um
01:56:34.740i think this is a concept that they couldn't understand because they weren't alive at the
01:56:43.040present moment of understanding the warrior ethos of no this great king has lived he has fought in
01:56:51.020many battles. Now he dies and Lord Odin wants him now, not on the battlefield simply because
01:57:00.040he caught an arrow to the face. No, it's more nuanced than that. And I think that a lot of
01:57:09.340times they didn't understand that. So they were very like, no, our ancestors believed that if
01:57:15.940You died in battle. You were chosen. But if you didn't die in battle, you know, you went down into this place.
01:57:24.160And, you know, then they get very fuzzy about the distinctions of that place.
01:57:30.980I definitely do believe actually that the language that's utilized, the darkness, the mistiness, the coldness, the house with snakes, a lot of people read that and they're like, ah, what is that about?
01:57:49.700Our ancestors definitely viewed death as a dark and cold and scary or sad thing.
01:58:00.680And that's because they valued life so much.
01:58:06.900It was meant, goals were meant to be attained.
01:58:09.400On top of that, it was supposed to represent the opposite of the gods, but not in a Christian sense.
01:58:16.940It's the place that's hard to define, the mist, the place far away from the gods, the edges are blurred, the rules are kind of shifting.
01:58:30.540None of the gods really go down there except for Lord Odin.
01:58:35.140He's the only one that's brave enough to kind of test the undefined.
01:58:40.300defined. So you see this separation is, I think, very ousted through. And a lot of people are like,
01:58:54.940no, that's Christian. And I think that's very wrong. I also heard another argument that kind
01:59:01.020of shocked me recently in the last couple of years. It was Snorri is a Christian, so Yggdrasil
01:59:09.300having its roots in the upper middle and lower world is significant of him seeing the tree on its
01:59:18.660side and that one really kind of shocked me um i think that people messing with
01:59:28.900the cosmology that is clearly stated in based solely on a hunch like that is really bad form
01:59:39.300well so i talked earlier about things that should guide us
01:59:48.260and i think logic and impiety should should guide us in a lot of these ways there's a certain amount
01:59:54.020of respect if you're going to mess with stuff you need to have a really good reason to do so
02:00:16.900otherwise you take what's presented and that's your place to start from doesn't mean
02:00:23.700everything has to stay there and it doesn't mean that the lore as it comes to us is perfect
02:00:30.900but it was curated by people that were trying to do a good job
02:00:36.340we have to it's one of the heroic aspects of aussitrew is
02:00:43.780is you have the challenge to live life in an imperfect world and to exert wisdom and judgment
02:00:55.940to guide you through it and to live heroically part of
02:01:01.700so the word Aryan means noble part of being a noble person is having the ability to make choices
02:01:12.020and to discern things and our gods and our ancestors have put many things in place to help
02:01:21.880guide us and if we continue with the gift cycle they guide us still today and will guide us into
02:01:27.640the future is my hope um one of the things they have provided for us is the preservation of the
02:01:35.960material that we have into the time period that we exist in. The works of Snorri and Simonder
02:01:44.660and the other scholars at the school at Audie is why we are able to build Ausitru to the
02:01:57.840level that we are able to. Now, I think that we could all start fresh, start fresh with none of
02:02:05.360this material and reforge again our relationship to the gods but we would be greatly at a disadvantage
02:02:15.460having to do so having to start fresh and to regain at the point where this was all written
02:02:22.500down regain you know thousands of years worth of collected understanding and relationship to our
02:02:31.360gods. We are very blessed in the fact that we have the Lord that comes to us.
02:02:41.220It's interesting because people that complain of over-Christianization of the Lord or whatever
02:02:49.440else, I think a lot of people do that because you hear it and you repeat it and the people
02:02:58.880you heard it from have heard it and repeated it and very few people have critically analyzed it
02:03:03.840most of the people you guys now it may not be the same but when swan and i came into
02:03:12.000alsatru there are all these tropes that people would just repeat all of the time
02:03:17.760and they start becoming cringy and this is kind of one of those that people would say all the time
02:03:23.440And often the source for it was a couple of things. So there is a cynical view on my part,
02:03:34.000and there is an optimistic view. So cynical view. And both of these things are true, by the way.
02:03:40.660The cynical view, there are a lot of people that just wanted to do pagan stuff because they thought
02:03:49.680it was a license to be a degenerate and to not to be a degenerate nonconformist some of these
02:04:01.100people just wanted to be hyper libertarian and like vikings didn't have any rules they're
02:04:07.120rugged individualists and that's what i'm gonna do hell i even fell in that for a while that kind
02:04:13.400of mindset many many people do well and so i'll get into that in my optimistic view here in a
02:04:19.520second but you had people that wanted to utilize the lore for their own to justify their own
02:04:26.180inclinations one of you know i don't want to follow any rules rules are bad you have other
02:04:34.160people that want to i don't know larp barbarism and i think that gets emphasized when you have
02:04:45.760shows like the vikings and you have stuff where they're all wearing the the shoulder pelts and
02:04:50.960you know black face and just running around filthy and whatever you have a bunch of people
02:04:59.360And this still goes on to this day with some strange folks that try to use it as an excuse for like being swingers and you get the upside down pineapple folk like to somehow glom onto our ancestors and anything that talks about, you know, decorum or dignity or fidelity or any of these things.
02:05:25.220oh that's just christian stuff that's just that's just christian garbage that somebody put in there
02:05:31.060because they want to justify their like fatty orgies and wife swapping and stuff um
02:05:39.140i mean you chuckle and i'm presenting it funny but these things are true
02:05:43.060swan and i have both seen these things okay i've not seen the fatty orgy i've heard tell
02:05:48.580of it happening from multiple people i've not sat and observed such a thing uh but that is a
02:05:55.300frequent thing in 1980s and 90s alsatru and you know in central parts of the country
02:06:06.100to this day some of that ends up going on um but yes you have people that want to
02:06:13.700escape from any kind of rules any kind of piety any kind of propriety
02:06:20.660and revert to barbarism and every time anything in our lore counter signals that
02:06:26.340that must be some kind of christian nonsense that's in there um but another uh
02:06:32.580another segment of our people came to Ausatru as a reaction to Christianity so
02:06:50.460their initial conception and so here's another thing to remember a lot of our people when they
02:06:56.640to alsatru in the 70s and the 80s and the 90s and 70s and 80s did not have access to the material
02:07:04.320that we have today they didn't know about as much of our lore as we know about and
02:07:12.320so they were genuinely ignorant to a lot of things and they wanted to present alsatru as the
02:07:20.560anti-christianity and so in their rebellion for christianity anything that christians did they
02:07:30.080need to do the opposite oh christians dress nice we need to dress filthy christians you know are
02:07:38.640sexually reserved we need to be hedonistic christians practice moderation we need to
02:07:47.360just go to extremes. All of these things, and that's a very reasonable thought process or place
02:07:56.440to be. And it's a useful and maybe even a necessary phase to go through to break clean
02:08:05.100with what you've had and to start a new life and redefine yourself.
02:08:11.800it's very very tempting to define yourself in opposition to the things you don't like or the things you left
02:08:19.780but those both of those avenues of approaching it are very wrong-headed
02:08:26.240there are certain things that are just going to be in common by dignified people that exist on the earth
02:11:04.260Or is it a practice of our ancestors that maybe you were unfamiliar with?
02:11:09.700Or maybe doesn't meet your preconceptions?
02:11:12.520If we want to practice Ausitru correctly, we need to practice it the way the gods want us to.
02:11:20.380Not the way that we've conceived in our head is the way we think we should or the way that is politically most congruent with whatever Spurgy thing somebody's doing at the moment or whatever's fashionable or whatever, you know, meets all of our desires.
02:11:40.220We need to be concerned with the piety of is this what the gods want or they don't?
02:11:45.580is this authentically what our ancestors believed the gods want, or is it not?
02:11:54.440Something having similarity, our brain is built to recognize patterns.
02:11:59.840Just because something is similar doesn't mean the one was informed by the other.
02:12:03.820Often, people come to a similar conclusion because it's just the right thing to do,
02:12:08.820or it's just logical, or it just makes sense.
02:12:11.140It's not always an interloping of something different over something.
02:12:16.640People can come to the same conclusion through different means, and it doesn't mean those things have to be connected.
02:12:25.640What's also cool is to recognize, does this contradict other pieces of our lore?
02:12:34.540It may not always seem in harmony to you, but does it contradict?
02:12:39.780does this piece of lore negate this other piece of lore? Those things force us to make some logical
02:12:46.660choices on which way we're going to go or how we're going to navigate that. It's interesting
02:12:51.800when those things don't contradict. It's also interesting within the body of a work if it
02:12:57.780references other things that are attested to other places. That should add an amount of credibility
02:13:03.440to it so just out of hand dismissing stuff because you don't understand is really arrogant
02:13:12.700and we need to all guard against doing that and thinking that we know better one of the things
02:13:17.700that now is a true that we need to get back to that the modern world has taken from us
02:13:24.160is an inborn respect and appreciation of elders
02:13:28.900we should be respectful of those who've come before us those who've put in the work to build
02:13:38.020things to codify things to do that labor for us we should appreciate that we should respect those
02:13:48.240things as our default position it doesn't mean that we can't learn new things or that we can't
02:13:55.760discern you know errors in previous things but that should be done because we know it's the case
02:14:04.880not because we have some new cool theory and this goes back to another theme that
02:14:10.680gets talked about on this program all of the time but we approach ausitru through
02:14:18.520piety and the desire to be respectful of very real gods who exist and judge us.
02:14:28.000Others often approach Alcetru in terms of scholastics or, you know, academia. And in doing
02:14:38.680that, there is a inherent value in innovation or finding some new hot take on a subject that other
02:14:47.240people haven't thought of. That doesn't exist through the lens of piety. That's arrogant and
02:14:53.640making it about you and not about the gods. But in academic circles, if none of these things are
02:15:00.280real, and we're just talking about obscure bits of archaeology or sociology, it's fun to take a
02:15:07.760new hot take on something and build, you know, unique theories around shreds of stuff. That's
02:15:17.080really tempting to do if you're not coming from a place of piety, if you're coming from a place
02:15:22.360of academia. So it's important to use those things to factor and to factor into your processing of
02:15:30.500our lore and your discerning truth um it's also all right so something else that i think is really
02:15:42.680important that relates to this our gods have always been gods of order they are in opposition
02:15:55.460to forces of chaos and when they interact with chaos they bring chaos into order they break
02:16:04.040down chaos and reshape it into order or they otherwise harness it and make it ordered
02:16:12.740but the idea of order versus chaos is really important the idea of respect for elders of
02:16:24.920understanding hierarchy and authority and tradition is really important. And that's
02:16:32.100reinforced throughout our lore, throughout our society, and throughout our very blood and bones.
02:16:39.700Getting back to that as a fundamental is really important. There's a time for, you know,
02:16:46.400rebelliousness and breaking free of something that was oppressive. But that time has come and
02:16:52.840gone largely and the time to come back to order and structure our own order and structure in line
02:17:01.160with our gods that's what we're building we're shaping and we're doing together and that can
02:17:08.580look really different if to this point in your life perhaps you've defined yourself by opposition
02:17:14.660to an order that you found oppressive or that you found to be wrong i get that if you raised your
02:17:22.400whole life Catholic and you are breaking free from that, then it may seem counterintuitive to
02:17:30.960embrace a different religious hierarchy. Just because the hierarchy of the religion you were
02:17:37.560raised in was not good doesn't mean that the hierarchy of every other faith isn't good.
02:17:44.480Those are hard things when we've become conditioned, but what I think is more important
02:17:50.020than critically analyzing the works of Snorri is critically analyzing the preconceptions that you
02:17:56.920come to ausiture with. And I think all of us have different ones that are shaped in different
02:18:02.460things. Maybe we come from an atheist background. Many of us come from a variety of different
02:18:09.100Christian sects or backgrounds. We all come from a different place, but analyzing how much of your
02:18:18.380own baggage you're projecting upon our lore and projecting upon our faith is really important
02:18:25.000because you know spoiler alert the answer is not zero all of us are shaped by the experiences we've
02:18:34.840had good or bad and by the knowledge that we come to this with you shouldn't discard that but you
02:18:42.720do need to recognize and make sure it's in its place and is it helping or is it hindering your
02:18:48.780ability to absorb new information and to reshape your life in the way that it ought to be and in
02:18:56.620way that's in loyalty or trough to our ISEAR. So we have some questions lined up. Tyler asked this,
02:19:13.580and this is worth noting, this is from an email. Everybody, if you are listening to this later,
02:19:20.620we try to, in doing this, I've tried to figure out when I can do it reliably
02:19:25.820and when a good time to do it is to reach the majority of our membership but a good problem
02:19:33.180to have the sun never sets on the house true folk assembly we have members in 12 different countries
02:19:40.060at present there is no time that everyone's going to be able to make so many of you listen to this
02:19:47.020the next day or after as a podcast or watch this down the road at any time you can submit a
02:19:56.080question to vns at runestone.org and we will answer it on the next show this one was sent to
02:20:04.720us on that email address so Tyler asks hey there if you had to choose what's your personal favorite
02:20:11.680piece of our lore, and why? Thanks. Svan, what's your favorite piece of our lore, and why?
02:20:21.340I'm gonna have to say the Halvamal, but I am re-delving into the Gilvahginning, and it's
02:20:29.580becoming, it's overshadowing that. I also, I have three. It's the Gilvahginning, the Halvamal,
02:20:41.560and Grimnismal. Those are my favorites just because they're so rich with lore and I can't
02:20:48.340quite figure out which one I like more. It was originally the Halvamal because I remember my
02:20:56.300mother printed out a really old copy from a scholar by the name of, or translator and scholar,
02:21:07.060Boog, B-U-G-G-E. And I had that even while I was in boot camp. And when my drill instructor
02:21:19.000asked me, what is this nonsense? I told him, it's part of my religion, sir. And he was like,
02:21:26.120all right, you can have your respective weirdo religion. And he just told me to go on.
02:21:31.780But it was kind of a testament then that I was in a hostile kind of or not hostile against Ausatru, but just actually that came later from another drill instructor, but that I was in the world carving my own way.
02:21:53.680and I had brought the gods of my people with me.
02:22:21.380cutting off the front and the ends there uh where i focused heavily on reading that uh when i was
02:22:28.860able so it it was definitive in kind of becoming my favorite but the the the gil beginning uh is
02:22:40.620such a cornerstone to the house of true folk assembly that as i'm reading it it just is uh
02:22:48.220such a great and rich lore, but also to the grimness model because of, um, some, uh, personal,
02:22:59.960um, stratification of things that I, I believe that, and, and I know that else everybody was
02:23:09.480saying like, and I'm very, very careful about this. I feel like I have found information
02:23:15.660that is unique, but I'm trying to make sure that I'm presenting it through a point of observation
02:23:23.740and ultimately I know that it's not some sort of, oh, look at me, I'm a scholar and I've come
02:23:31.260across and made some new thing. Instead, I present it and I present it to the Gothar for
02:23:38.460them to discuss to argue to do whatever they need to do or i want it to be tested but that because
02:23:47.340of that um i also like that one as well because i feel like there's like a bit of lore in there
02:23:54.700that for the longest time i i think we've been kind of observing it wrong and when we reserve
02:24:03.500observe it through a different lens um then suddenly there's a lot of things that make
02:24:09.900more sense and i'm speaking about the waterways that the the river the list of the rivers in
02:24:15.500heaven the the rivers in the middle world and the rivers in the underworld um a lot of folks
02:24:22.700know of the alvear in the lower worlds but everything else just becomes kind of
02:24:28.300of dross. And, you know, through interpretations in Old Norse, I feel like I've kind of mapped
02:24:36.700out an understanding, even though the poem just kind of mashes everything together.
02:24:42.660So. So first, that's awesome. You're having all stories really cool. I will share my favorites
02:24:52.300here in a sec, but I want to address something going on in the chat room before it develops more
02:24:57.260or whatever um j doc uh mentions that the noranus society has done some good research
02:25:05.340into pre-christian law codes and things that really um what does he say noranus society has
02:25:13.100good research into pre-christian laws that totally blows up the hedonistic heathen world
02:25:17.500heathenry worldview they absolutely do that is there is a number of times that you may run into
02:25:25.140on this program where we take issue with where the norena society comes down on certain things
02:25:30.500i don't always like a lot of their conclusions in my last question when i talked about coming
02:25:35.860from a place of faith as opposed to scholasticism i think the norena society without bad intent
02:25:44.340comes to it very much from a scholastic angle and they're very lacking in the religion of it
02:25:48.980but something that Mark Puryear and myself have always agreed on and they absolutely do a wonderful
02:25:54.860job of is dispelling the myth of the like ooga booga barbarism thing they're very good at that
02:26:05.220and at pointing that out and one of the things that they are very good at with their um with
02:26:11.180their academics is finding these little obscure pieces of like law code and stuff that you're
02:26:17.780referencing that really do make the point that our ancestors were pious and they were civilized,
02:26:24.120remarkably so, notably so, and that's really important. I'm glad you bring that up, and
02:26:31.100that's always a point that myself and Mark Puryear agreed upon and have talked about before.
02:26:37.200um as far as my favorite piece of lore goes
02:26:41.660as far as its value and usefulness and as the all's here you go if you have the astro folk
02:26:53.740assembly the gilfaginning that's one of the reasons that i wanted to do this show tonight
02:26:59.040it's really important i think it is you know maybe maybe the most again i even feel bad saying that
02:27:06.740But if I had to choose one that was most important, that's certainly top of the list or, you know, top three.
02:27:14.980The Have-Em-All always should get – the Have-Em-All and the Velozbao would be the other two rounding out the top three that I think are most important, I guess.
02:27:25.860Me personally, Gratir the Strong's saga.
02:27:31.380I was the first piece of our lore that I read intentionally
02:27:41.340like I'd read Beowulf before I did not realize it was connected to this I read it in high school
02:27:49.100and I really liked it and that's another amazing piece of our lore but when I broke with Christianity
02:27:56.120and decided to come home to House of True, I didn't know where to start.
02:28:02.260And we weren't as well connected then as far as figuring out, like, where do I start?
02:28:09.240I got advice from a number of people that jumping right into the Edda's was not a good idea
02:28:15.900because if you lack the context, it can be hard to figure out.
02:28:26.120And so I thought I would read a bunch of the sagas first, and that would be my first taste, is I would read the sagas, literally knowing zero else coming in fresh.
02:39:03.780But it is not fully mentioned as to where the Ausenior rise from.
02:39:11.020It is speculated they rise from the Vanir, some possibly from the Jotans either of the middle or of Nivelheim, but it's never fully known.
02:39:25.380So if it, is it possible? So we have that. We have this, these kind of three sources that we see repetitively and observe in the stories that the, the ausenir come from either the vanir, i.e. the earth, the water, the, the land, or we see, and they, they rise up and join the lords of order.
02:39:55.380and cosmic order we see them come from the jotens um and we don't really see any mention of it in
02:40:04.740relation to uh the jotnar of niflheim of the of the ancient and the proto um other than of course
02:40:15.140of course, Bor, Bestla, and Odenvillienve. Mimir comes from Nivelheim. He's part of Bestla and
02:40:29.460Bolthorn's son. I don't want to say that that isn't a possibility, simply because it does
02:40:43.000happen but it doesn't seem to be a consistent point um amongst the goddesses and we are left
02:40:52.400with not knowing not knowing exactly where the our senior um come from but there is a point that
02:41:03.360you make that i think is super important lord ovin's loss of his uncle in the stories has
02:41:12.220caustic effects. When the Aesir, the lords of cosmic order, and the Vanir, the gods of natural
02:41:24.080law, they fight, and they fight for supremacy, and what ends up happening is that leads to a
02:41:34.180a joint, a union, but ultimately the loss of Mimir is a result. And what we find is the
02:41:42.880Ausimir end up becoming, they fulfill the function of Mimir after he's gone.
02:41:53.440Mimir is placed at the well of memory where all time flows. And from the well of Ur to the well
02:42:02.580of memory. But then you find that Lord Odin speaks to Sauga. He speaks to the prominent
02:42:12.640our senior, or at least it's just mentioned that he, again, goes out of his way to gain
02:42:19.820information. And what I kind of see is a stratification of a purpose job amongst Lord
02:42:31.380odin as he reaches in and um with with uh the our senior sawa or saga he's she's witnessing
02:42:42.740everything that's happening at the well and he goes through and takes or kind of like a database
02:42:50.820is pulling um information from her and then var is seen as the the our senior that sees beyond
02:42:59.940what is just plainly there and even notably to the to the gods themselves so you kind of see the
02:43:08.260not the job but you see the replacement because of their power in the al senior when lord othen goes
02:43:18.660to them but relation i honestly can't confirm or deny and um that was a great that's a great question
02:43:28.900I never thought of that specifically in relation to Mimir, but again, in relation to Lord Odin sought counsel with Mimir, and after natural law slays his uncle of memory,
02:43:49.240he then opens up to council in Sockwebeck with Sauga and with Vor and with all the maidens of Fensaler.
02:52:39.580It's very likely that we can arrange something if you'd like a Gothier to officiate your wedding.
02:52:48.860Next question, are Iranians considered white? The follow-up, so Iranians could join the
02:52:59.220AFA? If they're white. Yeah, there we go. That answers all. Sure, if they're white,
02:53:09.940we'll leave it at that. So that's an interesting question, and that's something people just
02:53:18.040would love to jump on and it's one of these strange what-ifs
02:53:21.880and the question got asked earlier when i mentioned the zealotry of the fringe and the
02:53:33.020fact that iran means land of the arians and the current monarchy of iran that's in exile
02:53:41.460that's like their um reginal title is you know king of the arians that's since persian you know
02:53:50.580antiquity that was their defining thing is because yes at that time so and this is this is kind of
02:53:58.340of the key. 1000 BC, Iranians are, the tribes moving into Iran, calling themselves Iranian
02:54:10.860are white, absolutely. What happens is old Europeans are white, migrating Aryans are
02:54:22.880white, the whiteness redoubles. Like when Signy does the secret incest to make the double
02:54:34.060Wilson. So you have two groups, you have an invading group of white people invading a
02:54:43.600place of indigenous white people. So the intermixture over the years just makes more white
02:54:49.260What you see in Iran and the same migration time in India, those groups get intermixed with local populations over the intervening millennia.
02:55:04.260millennia, instead of largely displacing them, like in the United States, there was an indigenous
02:55:10.360native population, but due to disease and other factors and just the sheer mass of land in North
02:55:17.760America, a lot of that was displaced. But what you see as far as Spaniards that conquered and set up
02:55:26.900shop in Mexico. And that's just over the course of a few hundred years. You see a very significant
02:55:35.800mixture of races there. And there are still people that are, you know, in the higher classes
02:55:42.280of that society that are clearly white. But you see a lot more of them that are very heavily
02:55:49.200mixed with um aztec indigenous population you see in india a very heavy mixture of
02:56:00.720aryan indian with dravidian peoples there and so in india you don't really see that anymore
02:56:09.680that's just a how dravidian are they in iran it's a little bit different i think that their ruling
02:56:17.520class has maintained much more of their ethnic identity i have seen iranians that are very white
02:56:28.640that yes we probably would let into the astro folk assembly if they applied
02:56:34.000and that was their picture and they told us that that was their lineage
02:56:37.680um there's a lot more that are obviously mixed with surrounding um demographics over time and
02:56:48.160that certainly aren't but what i do think is interesting to note is you can still see that
02:56:52.400distinction when you look at like the iranian royal family and you compare that with the nations
02:56:58.560that surround them there is a there is a big distinction there so i think that it's a broadly
02:57:05.440to suggest iranians are white but i think there are some white iranians
02:57:17.360will the afa start requesting dna for membership no that's intrusive
02:57:23.120and spurgey and no we wouldn't do that dang it i don't get to use my skull calipers
02:57:37.460i get it and i'm not faulting the person who asked the question
02:57:43.540there are a number of people that suggest that they want that um
02:57:49.900i think that's you know a step or several too far i think the idea of having to submit your dna
02:58:01.580to join our church is intrusive and just off the cuff offensive to a lot of people that would want
02:58:12.920to join. And I don't think that's necessary. I think we all collectively understand people who
02:58:21.440are us and people who are not us. The times that that has been confusing to people, I don't think
02:58:27.600the confusion is honest. I think the confusion is wishful thinking. In my long experience, again,
02:58:34.220we could get everybody spun up about the possibility of Iranians, but Iranians aren't
02:58:39.200joining the AFA. That's not a real thing. People just get spun up about the what-ifs.
02:58:45.100We could require everybody to do an extensive DNA test and, you know, go into fractions of
02:58:53.600percentages and whatever else. That's not going to affect the vast majority of people other than
02:59:00.480to make them offended and to make them feel uncomfortable with that as a requirement.
02:59:05.980it. I don't think it's necessary. I think what's also an interesting thing genetically,
02:59:14.300the test results don't always match the person that's looking at me.
02:59:22.220And in the AFA, we have seen that before where someone very obviously is not a white person,
02:59:30.080But they apply and show us their, you know, and I have to believe them that they're showing us an honest DNA test.
02:59:40.620And they're very obviously not what you would think that DNA test would indicate.
02:59:47.880Honestly, it's ironic, but I think in some ways, a visual smell test is a more stringent requirement than the DNA test.
03:00:03.780we had one we had one person who wanted to present himself to us as suitable for membership
03:00:13.380and he was I believe 93 percent European but that other seven percent was completely defined his
03:00:26.020appearance um and that wouldn't be acceptable it's not a people it's very
03:00:38.420it is very compelling in the world that we live in today with the forced diversity that many of us
03:00:45.700face to be hypersensitive to minutiae of DNA and things because it's ever-present and it's a
03:00:57.100consistent in-your-face thing today. I think in a different time in a different place that is less
03:01:04.820of an obsession because it was a less immediate concern and a less problematic thing. So I think
03:01:11.800sometimes now we obsess to a level that might not be healthy on that instinctively we all are able
03:01:20.340to recognize us and not us and i think leaning into that very organic process of these are our
03:01:28.040folk these other guys are not our folk is a much better much more authentic authentic and much more
03:01:38.040useful way to do that. Now, I know a lot of our people are very analytically minded and they want
03:01:44.880to see a number on a piece of paper. And the world just doesn't work that way. It's not that clean.
03:01:52.480I've seen, you know, that has not been my experience that it works that way in a way that
03:01:58.360I think we'd all like the result of. I wanted to say something on that too. Just
03:02:05.660One thing that I noticed is the not understanding, too, that we are pan-Aryan when we talk about, let's say, the vestiges of there is an Iranian person who is or of that stock or has, again, he looks like us or she looks like us.
03:02:31.240Um, they're, they're, you know, the redheads in Afghanistan and they have pale skin and light eyes and so on and so forth. Um, but I think a big thing is that there is a consistent concept that Germanic Aryans have.
03:02:48.340And I'm speaking as like a Nordic Germanic is that anything outside of the Germanics is not. And that kind of ends up again, that's a fracturing purity spiral that I think is one, it goes too far. And two, it has been proven wrong.
03:03:10.660I mean, we know when we start talking about the linguistics and migration, you know, so people saying, oh, the Irish aren't or the Slavs aren't.
03:03:22.480And it just that becomes so burdensome. And that's why a huge part of this is about does this look like a stranger amongst my people or does it does does it not is a huge thing.
03:03:38.040And then, you know, again, it's, it's, it's beyond simply, um, Hollywood has told me that Aryans are this way. So if they're not like that, then they're not, you know, they're not Aryans.
03:03:55.940But again, that's not a good way to go around is having that be defined by others.
03:04:04.140Instead, what we have to do is look at the truth of things.
03:04:08.480You know, are the Slavic folk that look like us?
03:04:20.980And I think that's the way it's intended to be.
03:04:24.240we perceive with our senses we don't scan a barcode that's not that's not human and that's
03:04:32.060not how I want us to process information um and I think uh this raises another interesting point
03:04:41.220and it goes kind of to tonight's theme as far as tracing back logic and stuff one of the other
03:04:47.820criticisms that we get from spectators sometimes that don't have a, that either haven't asked or
03:04:55.120don't lend this level of thought to it. Oh, Odin and Thor, that's Viking stuff. You guys aren't
03:05:03.300Vikings. Why are you worshiping Viking gods? How come you're, you know, you're, people are from
03:05:08.960Scotland or England or, you know, wherever. Why don't you worship those gods? What, you're from
03:05:14.940spain why don't they don't do the logic if our gods are a product of the nation state then yeah
03:05:29.580that makes sense but they're not they're gods they're creative gods that shaped our people
03:05:36.780And as I mentioned earlier, and it's just worth reforming, they don't transform into something different when you cross a national boundary or when you start speaking a different language.
03:05:55.440It seems preposterous to us to talk about Odin and Wotan being two separate gods because they're not.
03:06:03.120but that's often not extended all the way back it's like oh those look the same and sound similar
03:06:13.000clearly that well cool but what was he called before he was called voton well what was he
03:06:21.520called before that well how did our folk know him before that if you trace the migration of our folk
03:06:27.260it goes in a lot of different directions over thousands of years and as we've talked about
03:06:34.960before yes we focus on the norse nomenclature and presentation of lore because that is what
03:06:43.540has been preserved for us safeguarded for us and gifted to us by the gods that's what
03:07:19.260and it would have been good and okay to do we could use all the german names or we could use
03:07:25.500the anglo-saxon names or you know we could manifest aryan divinity in a lot of different
03:07:34.140ways this could be a celtic thing or a slavic thing but it's not that's not the spark that
03:07:42.380caught fire and worked. This is. So that's why we're aligning ourselves, bringing ourselves
03:07:49.980into order that way, synchronizing around that, and that's our route to worship Arian divinity.
03:07:58.540But these are the common gods of all of our ancestors. If they are the gods that shaped us
03:08:05.320as a race of people then they existed at the earliest version of us the earliest that we
03:08:12.600know about that we can trace that back to linguistically is the word i use arian what's
03:08:17.880become popular post-world war ii in scholastic circles is indo-european but that's the farthest
03:08:26.760like proto-indo-european is the farthest linguistically that we can trace
03:08:32.200the verbal expression of our divinity to. And that's come down to us in a variety of different
03:08:40.480ways and shapes and forms. But clearly, the same gods that we are worshiping this evening
03:08:50.260are the gods that formed our folk as far back as the Ice Age and perhaps beyond.
03:08:57.660And that's important for us to keep in mind, we are just as connected to those gods as is someone who lives in, you know, Stavanger in Norway or somebody who lives in Reykjavik or somebody who lives in Verona or in or white people that live in Paris.
03:09:27.660I know that doesn't go without saying these days, or any of our other people in different
03:09:34.700parts of Europe that go back to that route.
03:09:38.460So do keep that in mind to understand why the AstroFolk Assembly is Pan-Aryan in our
03:09:45.980membership and in our approach to divinity.
03:09:51.760This one's for you, Svon. Sierra wants to talk about the tripartite in the Prose Edda.
03:10:12.800Like I said, we're planning on celebrating our anniversary tomorrow. We got stuff to do.
03:10:16.880right no i would say uh for everyone watching some people might be like what the tripartite
03:10:24.520what is that like a trinity thing and um yes aryan faiths have trinities and so much so
03:10:32.780that christianity which is pseudo-judaic comes into europe and it gets a trinity and
03:10:41.720modern christians especially protestants today are like oh it's always had it it's like no
03:10:47.240no it's pretty clear it was about just yahweh being the one um and then there is the mashiach
03:10:56.040who kind of harbingers the power of the one um but you look at every arian branch whether it's
03:11:07.560it's Indra, Agni, and Varuna, whether it's Asus, Teratatis, and Teranis, whether it's
03:11:16.940Deus Pater, and Hadis, and Poseidon, there's always a trinity, and it always goes like
03:11:29.380this by watching, so we have to observe, and I really like, because me and Sierra have
03:11:34.580been talking via text about some of the stuff. And I kind of felt this question coming, just
03:11:43.840not on this, but one of the more interesting things about our triad, tripartite trinity
03:11:55.300is that looking through it in observation, we see function.
03:12:04.180The way that we reach out to the gods, they fulfill a function
03:12:08.300because they are keeping promise to us in the gift cycle.
03:12:13.820We ask for this and they give this, which is good.
03:12:18.880So when I speak about the thrones of the tripartite,
03:12:23.180What I'm really saying is, is we reach out to the divine God forms and ask them for this. And they show us in their purpose and how they answer our prayers.
03:12:39.040So most people don't even know that we have a tripartite, that we have a trinity. They try desperately to just create a singular Godhead without observing that there's always a masculine and a feminine God that changes.
03:13:00.320they pass not pass away sometimes they do in the stories there is this this overarching masculine
03:13:07.340overarching feminine that pass away and then in the stead there is one who leads and then there
03:13:14.400are two that are in assisting now for most people the the closest place I can point you at
03:13:23.320is the days of our week. And bear in mind, the middle is the high point. So we have Tuesday,
03:13:31.840Wednesday, and Thursday. We have Tyr, Odin, and Thor. And then Tacitus' Germania
03:13:40.840substantiates this tripartite, that they worship Mars, Mercury, and Hercules, he says. But again,
03:13:52.540he's utilizing comparatives uh the the the bunk if you will so we have um stasis nation war we have
03:14:06.300dynamic uh magic death and also war but again all of them are war and then lastly we have catalytic
03:14:14.620uh breaking down barriers uh a combination between the earth and the heavens that's why
03:14:22.080tacitus said hercules he was thinking of the earth and of the sky uh and on just at that time
03:14:30.500or over evolution the greco-romanics were they had made the mortal and godhood um but we are of
03:14:43.300The Vanir and the Aesir is how Thor is made.
03:14:50.080Though, I did speak about Snorri labeling Yard as a Jotun.
03:15:00.020But remember, Jotuns that aid and give birth to the gods are in their realm of dominion.
03:16:03.180But bear in mind, too, I believe that the tripartite changed based on needs, function, and prayer. Our ancestors that were in Sweden, when in the Temple of Uppsala, Adam of Bremen, though he might not have actually been there physically in person, that's a whole other thing.
03:16:27.580He states in the center of the temple, there is three platforms and in the center is the thunderer. And to one side is the furious one, which Odin, Odr means fury. And to the other side is the fruitful one.
03:16:47.900And now we have this introduction of Lord Freyr. And so I don't believe that this is some sort of locked in thing. And I think it would be really stupid for us to assume this. Hence the reason why I say the thrones.
03:17:05.280because thrones can be sat in and stood up from and that the gods are gods and they can do that
03:17:12.080they can do that when when when they want and uh for us to try to pigeonhole
03:17:18.920every aryan branch as being the same and or even within our own people i think it has changed and
03:17:28.160this is only through observation that I'm bringing this about. Um, so I am lending towards
03:17:37.360the, the, the, the tripartite that even Tacitus kind of refers to as being the kind of the
03:17:46.120primogen of Germanic tripartite. Um, but it could be Lord Ovin. And I just don't know,
03:17:56.380i'm reading it again actually because of sierra and i'm looking for it for anything from that
03:18:02.920perspective um but the trinity or the tripartite is so important in our faith even gunungagap
03:18:11.200is filled with stasis catalyst and dynamic adunla moves emir uh is a catalyst he's asleep and when
03:18:22.920wakes up everything's going to come down and yggdrasil is stasis it's the center that it is a
03:18:30.760it is so repetitively seen and if you read the stories if you tell the stories um you begin to
03:18:39.000see the patterning and uh i i think that's again it's observation it's not just to to make things
03:18:47.880up if you will um and i also think that there there is a reason why the the holy gods of the
03:18:54.440upper world are pulling in dominion power from the vanir and from the yachtins there's a again
03:19:02.200a movement a triplication um so real quick i was gonna say i think as you mentioned an extra three
03:19:10.520aside from odin and all them i think our brains work really well in threes i could think of a
03:19:16.760half a dozen different trios you could think of finner haiti and uh score you could think of
03:19:27.640and hell you could think of madney modi and through there you could think of balder thor and
03:19:37.160And the god we don't talk about, you could think of, I don't know, Thor or Balder and Vali and Vita.
03:19:49.700There's all kinds of different ways you could think of threes.
03:19:53.660Yeah, and again, that's a number of dynamicism.
03:19:56.200I think that's why Lord Odin is the triplicate.
03:20:03.100He moves throughout the realms, which, again, is no big deal if all the other gods can do it, but they can't.
03:20:11.740It specifically says they it's not easy for them in the sense or I'm not going to say they can't.
03:20:19.000What I mean is in the stories, it's presented as these are great feats in which Lord Odin does and then bestows this upon others.
03:20:32.160like her mother um and then you know when we speak about like magni and modhi um i so i've
03:20:42.600always tried to kind of i get some of the um the the i guess it could be a tripartite of the family
03:20:49.880and the farm if you have sif as the uh of of the land the orchard and the harvest you have lord
03:20:58.080ullr of the hunt and of the winter tiding and and gaining uh flesh for your family to eat over the
03:21:05.200and then you have through there who takes the leftover wheat and makes the brew uh you have
03:21:12.800this kind of triplication there um but magni and modi are mentioned coming up after ragnarok um to
03:21:21.040to carry forth Mjolnir, but also it's worth remembering that Lord Thor has another weapon.
03:21:29.680It's called GrÃðavl. It's the rod of conflict. And Magni and Móði, Móði means wrathfulness.
03:21:40.940so i don't think that was accidental but um again there is this interesting point of
03:21:49.600the divinities of the holy gods as they produce that or extensions and and create more of
03:21:58.200and interline themselves with other divine beings and create progeny the progeny end up fulfilling
03:22:06.000uh these active forces some of them are long-standing some of them are immediate
03:22:13.440and others are destined for after ragnarok and i i speak specifically of magni and movi in that in
03:22:20.960that regards but vauly vidar um are all in the pre and i and and they're listed in the guild
03:22:31.200beginning by the tripartite saying these are the gods good for men to to worship now i've seen again
03:22:38.160a lot of people just discount snorty and say oh he was just trying to fill it and and hopefully
03:22:45.040tonight after everyone's watched this they understand no snorty was not just whipping things
03:22:53.120out from his pocket this is a long-standing tradition going farther back towards our ancestors
03:23:01.760than people you know give credit for and i think there's that worth of understanding
03:23:10.000the problem is that a lot of aussitruer have never uh looked at hierarchy um
03:23:18.560They don't poise hierarchy or they'll just say Odin's king. That's it. But they never conceptualize the ideas of why the gods of cosmic order would pull in Jotnar from the middle and thus produce more Aesir.
03:23:38.820They produce valli. They produce vidar because of rindur and grither. So they don't, a lot of folks, they don't know who rindur or grither are.
03:23:53.480So these points could be looked at. They are certainly worthy of giving piety and prayer, or also, too, some folks look at it more as these are the machinations of the gods as they are bringing in dominion, the middle world, and the gods that are listed in the guild beginning are the ones that we should focus on.
03:24:20.500But everything happening in the stories are purposeful. The gods are, they go, they bring in powers from Jotunheim, they bring in powers of Anaheim, and then in the primordial ocean of the material world, they lock it down in oath.
03:24:40.520ayur and raun and the cauldron the centering of the primordial ocean the blood of emir is brought
03:24:49.960into dominion not through marriage and not through children but through oath bound hosting
03:24:57.720and i i don't think any of that is uh coincidental so
03:25:05.240that's me trying to rein it in as you're going i appreciate your sacrifice
03:25:45.540I mean, I think classical liberalism is a really broad thing to say.
03:25:51.720I am not particularly a fan of minarchist or minimalist government to the point where, you know, your neighbor can buy a Taiwanese girl off of the Internet because there's, you know, no victim in the whole situation.
03:26:16.880like that no they're that's not good um i don't believe that's good and again i have gotten to
03:26:24.480points where i've met classic liberals that are oh borders don't mean anything if the government is
03:26:31.760nothing so i generally look at constitutionalists anyone who believes and this kind of harkens back
03:26:40.800to iceland anyone who believes that there is a law or laws that are given to them by the gods
03:26:52.480um that at at just a basic level outside of that uh i think that's that's good in the lower sense
03:27:02.800that uh that there's basic laws and and things that a nation should give to its people and have
03:27:11.520for its people or at least afford it even if it's just the freedom to have a business and free
03:27:18.800market and what have you but when you get up higher there needs to be some other things or
03:27:23.760there needs to be a nominative sense of of uh direction um you know you end up finding out that
03:27:30.320There's, you know, giant buildings of corporate sense that would absolutely sell off their company and go to a foreign country for slave labor and just destroy, you know, the working folk of their nation simply because it's going to save them a buck.
03:27:54.060So there's some sort of line. I think that there's the constitutional sense of law that is afforded to the citizens of a nation. And then I think also, too, there's a freedom sense that they need to have in order to build their lives and pursue their will.
03:28:10.620And then there's a point where there needs to be someone there saying like, no, you're not going to move your factory to Malaysia because you can pay them pennies and you're going to lay off thousands and thousands of your folk.
03:28:31.480So I'm kind of like an upper tier, lower tier version of classical liberalism in the low sense, and then perhaps more of a authoritarian presence in the upper sense.
03:28:51.960And I say that, and I know people are going to be like, oh, but government is authority. Executive branch is authority. The idea of having a principled upper tier that makes sure that you don't have people coming in, hiring all your people, giving them jobs, and then running to another country and firing them all simply to make a buck or other things, tariffs and what have you.
03:29:21.660I'm a believer that in that upper relationship with other nations, we need to have strong presence.
03:29:30.220The other thing, too, is, you know, disabling and dismantling that upper presence of authority is just inviting other groups in the strong centralized governments of, you know, communist China or or what have you.
03:29:52.360and I'm just using them as an example, is that you might as well just invite them in.
03:29:56.820There's no sense of an ability to defend against outside threats if everyone's so free
03:30:05.660that they can't define themselves and they don't care about who they are as a people
03:30:11.360or a language or a culture, et cetera.
03:31:00.480i don't know like i said i think it's confusing i think when people claim that they
03:31:13.040hearken back to like a enlightenment era freedom of inquiry thing and i think when we compare
03:31:30.480The modern, like, complete revolt against anything traditional or anything normal or wholesome, looking back at a Thomas Jefferson or something is very appealing.
03:31:51.860And certainly, you know, I'm on Team Thomas Jefferson as opposed to Team Tranny or whatever.
03:32:08.400You know, I think it's misleading because I think we look at it being very traditional because I think we would consider a lot of America's founding fathers as being classically liberal.
03:32:20.580in that like John Locke enlightenment era sense but when I think about that and I think about
03:32:36.820enlightenment era stuff I don't think about the yeoman Virginian farmer I think about the French
03:32:48.360revolution i think about the people out there in the streets let's behead royalty let's behead
03:32:55.880nobility let's behead everybody that even sort of sounds like a sane human being let's turn all the
03:33:04.040churches into churches of reason and redo our calendar and let's completely destroy tradition
03:33:12.600robespierre yeah we're looking at you robespierre yeah exactly when so when when
03:33:21.800i don't know when ted cruz wants to talk about classical liberalism i think he thinks of
03:33:28.440jefferson when i think of classical liberalism i think of robespierre and i think of the terror
03:33:35.320that's why i like that caveat of of the constitutional uh classical liberalism where
03:33:45.400there's this kind of and that's that doesn't always work that's the thing about some of
03:33:51.400these things i think that and this okay we all label stuff it makes things it categorizes things
03:34:00.360in our head it sorts information i do it too we all do that but i think when we want to internalize
03:34:10.840it in a meaningful way in our life it comes down to name calling like
03:34:20.840how many times in my life am i called a racist what do those people mean when they call me a racist
03:34:27.720there's a variety of meanings that they ascribe to the word they use to describe someone else
03:34:33.960and so it's like you know communism is shea guevara communism or is lenin
03:34:45.320communism is carl marx communism or is joseph stalin communism they're all very different
03:34:52.760forms of communism they're all under the communist umbrella but in between them they
03:34:58.200wouldn't get along and they have a tremendous amount of difference between them on how they
03:35:02.440apply some of those things it's like enlightenment era classic liberalism
03:35:10.520again you have a whole bunch of people around that time in england and america that you know
03:35:17.080might not be upsetting to us would be very familiar to us in our current system of united
03:35:25.400states democratic republic or whatever their contemporaries in france would look real different
03:35:34.360to us people following the same ideas in you know haiti would look real different to us
03:35:43.560So I don't like to get stuck in that. That's not a term. I get it. Usually when I hear people refer to themselves as classically liberal, they want to be, as George W. Bush described it, compassionate conservatives.
03:36:11.380I think that's kind of what they mean is like traditional American freedom minded spirit of 1776 kind of folks.
03:36:26.220And I get that. And that's certainly better than most of the things that surround us.
03:36:32.460But I don't think that's something that I particularly identify with or would get behind.
03:36:37.480And again, if the ballot is classically liberal versus the stuff that's been on there, then sure, I'll be on team classically liberal if that's what we're doing.
03:36:50.860That said, in a more recent classically liberal time, 1992 Bill Clinton is a lot better than 2024 Kamala.
03:37:06.740So it's hard to say. And I think that, again, political things are all very relative to the issue of their day. A classically liberal person would be mortified by what the term liberal would imply today.
03:37:23.680a classically liberal person in 1800 would be mortified by their classically liberal brothers
03:37:32.580in France and some were so I I don't think that I think that over the course last 200 years that
03:37:40.200word doesn't really have the same meaning that it used to have so the next question this is why I
03:37:47.260was, you know, taking advantage of Svan's expounding upon the tripartite. So I was trying
03:37:54.180to find. Question is, and you may have a more ready answer to this. Scott Thatcher, or Scott
03:38:00.560asked, what's the oldest grave or tomb where Thor's hammer was found?
03:38:08.780Ooh, I don't have to look. I don't have it right off the top of my head at all. And again,
03:38:16.400the the the classification of hammer versus axe uh hammer axe club that's where we start to get
03:38:26.720it starts to kind of get hard to pin down so we have an answer in the chat
03:38:36.480but i haven't verified the information to look it up uh from eminsted in the 8th or 9th century
03:38:48.880i'm not sure i'd have to look at that it's also you know where do you find these things often we
03:38:55.360find jewelry in grave, you know, hordes that are interred with someone. So you'll find
03:39:06.940a variety of jewelry or just, you know, they're collected buried treasure that gets buried
03:39:11.900with them. I know that hammers have been found in finds that are not exclusively burial
03:39:23.200related so i don't know the use of that in the customs it's interesting i've seen and i can't
03:39:32.820place exactly where now um in memorial rune stones or rune stones that you know in a way
03:39:44.440eulogize a person will also have a hammer inscribed on them in some way
03:39:49.100this is not old but the oldest that I can think of in modern times that has a hammer on it is
03:40:01.660Yost Turner's grave in northern California and I sent those pictures to Nick it's an obelisk and
03:40:13.500And these are two sides of the obelisk.
03:40:16.460But he's a very important friend and, I don't know, a guy that taught our founder, Steve
03:47:26.180and any praising the worth of something is technically worship you would find often in
03:47:36.420medieval literature and this was kind of an interesting um issue with the church
03:47:43.780any of there was a the idea that you don't praise anything as being worthy of any kind
03:47:52.780of acknowledgement other than god in catholicism anything else is literally idolatry this was a
03:48:02.760big problem but in medieval europe you would consistently see the term worship used for a
03:48:09.760great king or a hero in the living sense not in the sense that they've departed and there's some
03:48:14.780kind of an ancestor's cult but knights would go to tournaments to win worship you would go
03:48:21.220Worship was synonymous with fame because in the day, fame wasn't like you're a Kardashian and you happen to be well-known because whatever.
03:48:34.080It was you are famous because people are celebrating your great deeds and great reputation that you've done.
03:48:40.780so acknowledge you would give worship to you know a weapon that had served its purpose really well
03:48:49.300or something that you attest to the great worth of i understand that's not necessarily what you're
03:48:54.220referring to the idea of getting in a devotional religious practice to something is that's
03:49:02.340important yes that was definitely meant to be done to heroes to ancestors and for the iser
03:49:09.720in particular um land vetir is a special category that means a bunch of different things
03:49:21.000and that's one of the troubles with it the just spirits of place
03:49:26.520your general idea of be good neighbors interact with them well absolutely that's i think that's a
03:49:36.120that's that's perfect now what is the line between a river goddess of a certain locale
03:49:46.200and the land vetir it's very sketchy and what you want to call which or what
03:49:51.400there are divin there are beings that are appropriate to get in the gift cycle with that are
03:50:00.040that hold dominion over places and location those things are worshipped
03:50:09.860more often than not though you're right we recognize that we inhabit a world with
03:50:17.040many neighbors seen and unseen and being a good neighbor and being respectful
03:50:24.580both in the perceivable world and in the imperceptible world is something that
03:50:32.480behooves noble people to do and will help things go well for you in your home,
03:50:39.280in an area that you occupy. Usually when I do bloat, and
03:50:46.040there's some people that get really into Lanveteer and whatnot that's never been a focus of
03:50:54.800it's never been a big focus of what I do but when I give bloat I often I acknowledge them I usually
03:51:03.540will invite the gods to witness what we're doing and to be present I will invite the ancestors
03:51:09.800But I'll also invite the Lanvaitir to bear witness to it, or I will acknowledge, you know, that we've done something in a certain location for a certain amount of time, and they know us, they've seen our deeds, they've been kind to us, or whatever the case might be.
03:51:26.260Maybe I will invite them to bear witness to things that we do or, you know, maybe say a positive word towards them, but it's not the same as, you know, worshipping them with bloat.
03:51:39.260And a lot of that is an issue of scale, though.
03:51:45.020So, and this is why I'm harping on the linguistics of it.
03:51:50.460if you were to speak to or pray to a dead ancestor fundamental Christianity would call
03:52:03.540that you're worshiping demons that's idolatry if you venerated a saint and gave them an offering
03:52:13.200that's idolatry um if you were to you know overly praise a hero that's idolatry like
03:52:24.720a sports hero or something else of yours that's idolatry the line of what they consider worship
03:52:32.400is very particular we engage in the gift cycle in bloat and ceremony in a big way
03:52:42.880with our gods. We sometimes do that in a more collective, you know, general sense to the
03:52:50.340ancestors. It's not wrong to have a big ritual gift cycle exchange with the ancestors.
03:53:01.500We also do engage in the gift cycle with the land vetir or with the house vetir or other
03:53:08.380spirits that we wish to exchange gifts with. I think the fundamental difference is with
03:53:15.580our devotion and our allegiance to. And it's one of the reasons that the word
03:53:23.320also true is very important to me. People will point out that the modern usage of the word true
03:53:32.240is about believing in. But etymologically, it tells a much deeper story to that. You believe
03:53:41.160in it because you are loyal to it. It is trusted. You can loyally adhere to it. Troth and being
03:53:50.000true to something is about being loyal to it. So it's not just belief that the Iser exists.
03:53:58.340I believe that a lot of things exist that I'm not loyal to, that I'm not devoted to.
03:54:05.120Giving our allegiance and our loyalty to something is very different.
03:54:11.140We are in a structure and in a hierarchy where we are loyal to the Aesir.
03:54:16.500They are our gods and we will serve them as their folk.
03:54:20.660The All-Father is the King of the gods.
03:54:25.040our ancestors are also you know certainly your loyalty your family and your kin and the line of
03:54:34.180your kin and beyond the veil those things run together the ancestors and our ancestors and our
03:54:41.860gods other gods other mythological beings other spirits that occupy places
03:54:54.120are not in our line of hierarchy of things that we have to have a loyalty to we can enter into
03:55:02.600some sort of agreement with them or some sort of shared arrangement but we treat with them
03:55:11.480independently and not giving our allegiance to them in line of hierarchy to our gods
03:55:19.160I hope that makes sense. It might be a little bit convoluted. I know Sfaan has some thoughts.
03:55:26.400So Sfaan, share those with us. I think you hit all of them actually for me. It's just,
03:55:33.080I wanted to hit the purpose of the word worth ship. But I think the other thing is, is we
03:55:39.480clearly believe in hierarchy we take great um effort in laying out what we observe in the lore
03:55:51.640as the hierarchy of the gods and uh and and make that clear for folks we we do that in the true
03:55:58.760um but uh when you're working with with land vatier again worship is uh when we talk about
03:56:11.400gift cycling absolutely you can just cycle with the land uh land vatier but that's a very up front
03:56:20.920that's almost like on equivalent with like your neighbors you would want to have a good
03:56:26.680relationship with your neighbors and also the land your ancestors you're indebted and the and
03:56:34.360the holy gods you're indebted to by the the breath and the sacrifice of things that were made in
03:56:40.680order for you for all of this to even start so i think it is different there is a hierarchy um and
03:56:48.440And another big thing that we need to steer away from is when you get postmodern Marxists who come in and are like, oh, we worship the land spirits.
03:57:01.580You can't cut down trees. You can't, you know, our Viking ancestors didn't, you know, despoil the land.
03:57:10.940And it's like, no, they cut down trees to make boats and sail to Constantinople so they can go bonk on, you know, upstarts who were trying to go up against the king of Byzantium.
03:57:25.280I mean, no, they cut down trees, but that's the only thing I wanted to add extra is that sometimes I think a lot of folks get into that mixing of that eco stuff versus we believe in responsibility of the land.
03:57:48.140you you tend the land like you would a farm and you utilize the the land for your your purposes
03:57:57.180your will it's not some uh you know tree hugging buffalo macrame um kumbaya like circle of
03:58:08.560drumming uh and i think a lot of those people that get in there are the ones that really focus on
03:58:15.460you know oh i worship the land vatir and again that's another thing is our hierarchy like we
03:58:22.880don't have vana true that stuff is that's garbage the vanya joined the icier and the icier are the
03:58:32.520prevalence even lord fray is called the the most precious of the icier so that whole separation
03:58:40.160really again it's post-modern uh marxist trying to be like ah arian bad bronze age farmer good
03:58:48.880uh they're just they're they're ignoring things so i do think one way i look at the
03:59:00.240vatier is in being a good neighbor and if you're you're sharing this space with them or this land
03:59:08.140or this house or what have you you're a good neighbor you might you know you can exchange
03:59:15.020gifts with them but it may not be you know obviously it it's hierarchical so it's not
03:59:20.300at the same level not the same you know amount instead of actually pouring yourself into a horn
03:59:26.060you might just pour them out a little bit of milk but you know you exchange get you can exchange
03:59:31.260gifts you're a good neighbor you're a good steward with them you just you pay your rent so to speak
03:59:36.940And you see this conceptualization, the folks that leave Norway, when they go to Iceland, Iceland's nature is very, very scary and also very, very primordial.
03:59:55.340And you will see that they do build this kind of stronger relationship with the Lanvertier than they do in Norway.
04:00:05.120well something i'd like to point out is
04:00:09.600some subtle differences and yes spirit vote on i would call that ooga booga fetishism um
04:00:21.200i think spawn's right i think if you start from a new agey pretendian kind of place and then come
04:00:30.160to alsatru some of that might carry over in nature worship or animism
04:00:40.320and we don't believe that like rocks and trees and grass and stuff are all these kind of
04:00:48.000spiritual beings we do believe that other spiritual beings inhabit these places and
04:00:55.920sometimes a particular rock or a particular tree or a particular glen is inhabited by
04:01:04.080or special to one such spirit and that's a real it might seem like a subtle difference but it's
04:01:11.840a really important one the other thing is you know you could take that to infinity and it not make
04:01:21.920any sense does every grain of sand have its own little spirit to it does every blade of grass or
04:01:28.000every leaf or drive yourself insane what our ancestors noted and what you know the folks with
04:01:37.360second sight that saw iceland noticed you have spirits that occupy the natural world
04:01:46.720Most of us won't see these or recognize these.
04:01:52.060But there might be a place that you're in, in nature, that you feel presence in, that you feel something special in.
04:02:01.960Acknowledging that is a good thing to do.
04:02:05.380um if it is a place that is important to you in your practice and stuff that you do
04:02:12.140building some sort of a relationship with whatever spirit you feel in that presence
04:02:17.820is something worthwhile to do um it's very intangible
04:02:24.700a lot of that is you know that's why i talk about this as an art and not a science
04:02:32.520there's not a perfect right answer to everything every square you know the the land veteer did not
04:02:39.960divide up the world into acres and this one has that one and this other one has this one
04:02:44.940it's much looser than that it's much more about a specific area or object or natural feature
04:02:53.720and you know those with a heightened degree of perception will perceive that in a much
04:02:59.280more tangible way than the rest of us if you do perceive that in a really specific way
04:03:09.160applying a name and building a gifting relationship with the spirits of a place
04:03:17.620might be very beneficial to you if you don't maybe less so
04:03:23.840unless and until you have a particular understanding of a spirit that inhabits a place
04:03:32.940a general mindfulness of the land vetir and nod to propriety of acknowledging them
04:03:45.020and recognizing that they exist and that you share space with them and being a good steward of the
04:03:52.240space is a really good and important thing for you to do to reinforce your place in the cosmos
04:04:00.720we exist in a world surrounded by spirits that we may not be able to perceive
04:04:08.400the world around us is thick with mystery and with
04:04:15.520being that we have not yet begun to fully understand and fully discover
04:04:23.140acknowledging that reinforces the awe that we should have for life around us for the world
04:04:31.600around us and for our place in it and that's one of those moat and in a way i think this is like
04:04:38.840meal blessings they're not big high rituals that you do that are a lot of fanfare
04:04:47.800but they're moments of taking notice of your place in an interconnected world
04:04:54.760and recognizing that and being appreciative or aware of the world around you and your place in
04:05:01.240it the ways you've been blessed the impact you have on the world around you and taking note of
04:05:08.120that and i think that's a valuable thing to do i think there is a clarification question and i'm
04:05:21.960going to go use the restroom okay what's the clarification question where'd i miss it uh
04:05:27.800i uh from spear vote on i'm a bit confused you mentioned earlier the arians mixing with old
04:05:33.400europeans or wipe and i i think yeah there's just clarification i sure i'll go on that so um
04:05:43.240trying to find it in the little questions here
04:05:47.800it's the very last real big one uh right before my defense aha so uh
04:05:55.880question is i'm a bit confused you mentioned the arians mixing with old europeans to create
04:06:00.520more white people were the old europeans descended from the arians at a time long before the arian
04:06:07.720migrations and became separated or are these two completely separate groups of white people with
04:06:15.160different origins and what would that say about our origin as a people yeah the first one um
04:06:23.720um we are a shared people with a shared origin
04:06:33.800the Aryan migrations went out from Europe into Asia across the step and then back so over a long
04:06:45.860enough time, you have groups of people that leave, go do their
04:06:50.860thing, and then come back and reconquer other people over
04:06:57.860time. You know, that'd be like if white Americans decided to go
04:07:04.260back and reoccupy Europe. It's a sloshing back of our people
04:07:12.760upon themselves. So when migration time happened in a lot of that, it's not as though all of the
04:07:20.540people went and did that. And we see a lot of migration. Sometimes if there's an ice age or
04:07:24.820there's an uninhabitable condition, everybody's got to pick up and move. But very often you have
04:07:31.940the adventurers that go out and conquer and you have other people like, no, I'm good. I'm going
04:07:36.120to stay here on my farm with what I've got. And when we picture that in a single generation or
04:07:44.480two, it doesn't look like a big deal. But if we, you know, write that over the course of a thousand
04:07:50.560years or more, it becomes a bigger deal. But yeah, you have a dispersal of people from the north
04:07:57.520at the end of the ice age over a big chunk of territory. And you have a splattering of our
04:08:05.660people all throughout europe and then you see groups of them migrate and conquer to the east
04:08:15.740settle build kingdoms build empires build great things figure out horses and stuff and then move
04:08:23.500back west coming back in contact with their you know ancient cousins and reintegrate and so that's
04:08:32.380what you see they're not two completely separate things they're groups of people with a shared
04:08:37.500shared ancestry a shared you know group of ancestry but they're separated you know by
04:08:43.740hundreds or you know perhaps thousands of years in some cases yeah there was uh i wanted to say
04:08:49.180one thing with that is um there was again political motivations to paint the um naya or the proto-indo
04:08:57.740europeans whatever they they can whatever they have to say in order to not say arian um they try
04:09:04.220really hard they were like oh they came in and annihilated the european uh of the bronze age or
04:09:11.980the belt you know the bell beaker um of the early you know ages shifting out of stone age and uh
04:09:21.740but then in the same breath they'll admit that the genetic difference between them is so hard
04:09:28.460that's why one looks like it disappeared is because it more than likely just completely
04:09:35.500absorbed into so you got to be careful of that too where they paint that oh they came in and
04:09:41.660murdered everyone and it's like well where did where did the bodies go where did it no well they
04:09:47.020it's because they're genetically similar
04:15:14.340So no, in no way do I think swastika is a bind rune.
04:15:17.520I do think that I, and this isn't like AFA doctrine, but I am of the same mind with Spahn that the Sowilo rune is like, you know, you put two of them together, they make a swastika or you break them apart and they're individually Sowilo runes.
04:15:41.040uh so i see that i think there is connection to that swastika is one of the most ancient
04:15:51.600connection to the solar cycle of things connecting dynamism with solar might and i think that's
04:16:03.440It's been a holy symbol to our people since the dawn of our people.
04:16:09.940So I think the swastika predates the runes as we know them drawing-wise and is kind of a standalone that informs later runic development, but predates it.
04:16:27.200And the directionality of whether it's a vine rune or not is the opposite of that.
04:16:32.940So, yeah, just the fact that European symbols of that are runic, they just, you know, in variation, they're a thousand year, they predate a thousand years before the Sumerian pictographs of Iraq.
04:16:52.760and it was so much a thing for modern you know historians to say that oh no the germanics picked
04:17:01.240it up from the romans who picked it up from the greeks and the greeks picked it up from the
04:17:04.340phoenicians and it goes all the way back to the cradle of civilization in the mediterranean and
04:17:10.180then this discovery was like nope thousand years before that these symbols were there in europe
04:17:17.120which you know i think a lot of people are trying to take away from the origins of the idea that
04:17:26.660the runes come from our holy gods oh no no those are just left out you stole those from people who
04:17:33.600stole those from people who were in the middle east and that that the the vinca uh find proves
04:17:41.200that that's, that's not the case. So that's one reason why I brought that up too.
04:17:48.920All right. Well, I think it has been a good night. I hope that it has been
04:17:54.740informative to folks. I hope that we're all, I don't know, have a better understanding and
04:18:07.820a better appreciation of the materials that Simondur and Snorri put together for us
04:18:16.520that became the Etta's that we all benefit so greatly from.
04:18:21.500And I hope it kind of added a context or a lens to, you know,
04:18:29.220judge their contents and their integrity.