00:14:26.060yeah we just talked about phrase ship and uh now swan if you would like to take us in 244
00:14:37.900thor went on his journey to the home of uthgarve
00:14:44.460yeah i think at this point too as we go later on into the um story there is a shift of there's
00:14:54.300instead of so much say point to question it becomes like poetic frame poetic frame poetic
00:15:07.040frame as it goes and so this part here is really aimed at the the scald um but you'll notice that
00:15:18.820the sections are much heavier because of that. There's not a question and answer and then excerpt
00:15:28.520and then question, answer, excerpt. Instead, it just simply goes into creating infrastructure.
00:15:36.200Um, and the infrastructure is of course, um, uh, you know, the mythologically it is as it is, but when you look at it, say cosmically, or when you look at it as a perhaps allegoric for, uh, the form of power and movement.
00:16:01.320We were talking about this just the other day about how there are so many connections to the gods in relation to light, whether it's mentioned through fire, gold, or beaming, radiance, and from Edwin's apples.
00:16:22.800The concept of the heavenly realm, the cosmic order built on everlasting light, and as opposed to say natural law and cyclical natures of the middle world involving earthly elements, water, and even time, death, life, all of those cycles.
00:16:47.560um what you end up having is there's no doubt in my mind why say for instance the bridge that
00:16:58.460leads to heaven is thinner than the bridge that leads to the land of the dead and it is a rainbow
00:17:04.720it's prismatic it's um uh its access is limited and so you can see that and and have to understand
00:17:16.520these stories are coming to us from the gods. They're not from people. They've been written
00:17:26.140down by people. They've been written down by people very far along in the stories,
00:17:33.060but the perennial truths remain constant, whereas the form and shape or casting on the outside can
00:17:41.200be you know in this case particularly is built around nordic late nordic um poetic rules so
00:17:51.400it's and it's spoken about in the stories that kvasir comes and walks amongst men and teaches
00:18:00.280them about the gods and teaches them about things and then we see it again with lord heimdall
00:18:07.140numerous times and including King Galfi. So there's these moments where even though it's
00:18:13.400not explicitly said that these are the prophets of the gods, what is happening is there's this
00:18:21.960layering of addition. And so as the mythos is spoken about, we need to change our perspective
00:18:32.160and consider the understanding of it is that a lot of the movement of the gods,
00:18:37.740why the gods are in the upper realm, why there is a middle realm,
00:18:42.200why there is a lower realm, and what that significance means.
00:18:47.320All of this symbolic language, this allegoric language, has purpose.
00:18:52.560And the light of the gods and the fact that the rainbow or the prism
00:38:56.180Swan, do you have anything to add on that?
00:38:57.860Yeah, one of the things, and it's so relevant to now, everything that you're saying behind
00:39:04.960the scenes, I was just thinking, one of the, for the longest time, Ausatru was generally
00:39:13.860seen or lauded at, or the comment shot from the hip was, oh, you know, organized religion,
00:39:19.400and uh but we have gotten to a point where before it was very disorganized with perhaps say some
00:39:29.240figureheads uh writing books and some of the books were written on tangible academic knowledge
00:39:37.560some were written completely i i don't even know where half some of that comes from um for some
00:39:44.680folks um ed fitch is like one i'm talking about there um but what they don't realize from say
00:39:54.360looking at the afa is that we are at a unique point where we have some of the greatest minds
00:40:03.160and some of the greatest spiritual thinkers of ausa true coming together under leadership
00:40:10.520organized by leadership to do and go a direction there's this has never been done before there
00:40:18.120is a we see this like the same wind with herman of the cheruski you got all these badass warriors
00:40:24.520in all these different tribes and they can't figure their crap out because they're fighting
00:40:28.840each other or they're going for their own inclinations and then all of a sudden there's
00:40:33.500figure that comes in aligns and shows a projected path and then all of a sudden these great warriors
00:40:45.020are now functioning they're part of a a greater thing and we're at that point right now i think
00:40:51.740that one of the big reasons why and we we've discussed in keeping the tightness of the true
00:40:57.740Ulamau as it is, is because we're still at the stage of, we have people who've been practicing
00:41:07.600Ausatru for years, are, and, you know, all the way back to Founder MacNallan, but getting
00:41:17.760together and discussing the nature, the movement of mythos, what is the connectivity between Thor
00:41:27.520and Sif and Thrudr in relation to lightening the fields and ale, those and all in relation to the
00:41:37.300free man farming societal unit. And then all of a sudden this becomes a discussion and the
00:41:44.340discussion is kind of hashed out. And it's so invigorating and beautiful to see. And that's,
00:41:51.260I think one of the strengths is that as we bring together and we have leadership, then we have priestly motivators, people doing things within the priest caste, if you will.
00:42:08.460But with full intention of moving everything forward, moving everyone forward, keeping things together, this is a super exciting time.
00:42:19.920And when we talk about things like this, when we talk about mythos and the way that we perceive it, we are discussing, working these things.
00:42:30.900There are folks who have been in our search for very long periods of time and they might feel settled.
00:42:36.340I was one of them. I felt very settled in my views.
00:42:39.780And then I come in and I'm suddenly reignited by thoughts from other priests that are doing, and priestesses that are projecting these ideas, creating these constructions of frameworks.
00:42:57.920And so we begin to, the faith is alive again.
00:43:06.400I think during the time when Christianity was just kind of the prominence of maybe societal tradition, the gods are in our blood, they remain, they may show up under different names, and so on, but they never left.
00:43:22.720But the idea is that we are now refocused back. We're not looking outside of ourselves. We're not looking at traditions from India. We're not looking at perhaps adjacent traditions in Slavic or in Hellenic.
00:43:40.760but no, we're looking at things from who we are. And that is huge. And so, as you had said,
00:43:50.700some of the revelations that we come across isn't to degrade our ancestors, but to look at the idea
00:43:58.080that if the gods pass down the stories to our people and it has changed with us, but yet the
00:44:05.300truths go even beyond time. That is a very interesting thing. I always bring it up about
00:44:11.780the horses of the sun and the two horses of the earth and the one horse of the moon.
00:44:18.140And the fact that out of those three heavenly bodies, only the moon doesn't have its own
00:44:24.520actual like rotational pull or rotation. And it's defined by the earth or, you know,
00:44:34.940we were talking about a Thorsoth with Thor and iron glove and iron gripper and the belt and the
00:44:42.540iron rod in the belt and the hammer as a switch and you have an electromagnet or the iron shifting
00:44:50.560core in the center of the earth. And we talk about all of these things and we're not trying
00:44:54.580to degrade the mythos. We're just suddenly the mythic power of the stories starts to extend
00:45:02.740into everything. And that's where the gods come to life for us. Our recognition of them
00:45:13.240suddenly becomes less contemplative and more integrated into everything. So I think that's
00:45:21.900why it's important we consider as we're talking about the boats and the hammers and the treasures
00:45:28.120of the gods they're all extremely important there's a lot of layers to them the other things
00:45:32.920are just to talk about immense divine things in a way that gets something visceral
00:45:41.720we will get to the lord in just a second but i thought well no because i thought of it
00:45:46.360while we were doing this i think it is the example and i can't read it without singing
00:45:52.520along just because it's like saying your abcs i can't speak them i have to sing the abc song
00:45:58.120But as the as the scald Randy Travis said, my love is deeper than the holler, stronger than the river, higher than the pine trees growing tall upon the hills.
00:46:09.400My love is purer than the snowflakes, the fall and late December, and honest as the robin on the springtime window of silver, and longer than the song of the whippling.
00:46:18.680um just saying to poetically make something make sense you take images that make sense to the
00:46:29.360audience well how big is it well it's bigger than this thing that we know well how strong is it
00:46:36.020it's stronger than this thing we know is immensely powerful okay well you know how how everlasting is
00:46:44.360what lasts longer than this finding those benchmarks of commonality
00:46:51.160that's the story of a lot of how that law comes to us
00:46:55.320but speaking of lore spawn will you take us into section 44 please
00:50:41.840They came at evening to a husband's man's house.
00:50:46.060I did a wedding two weeks ago, and we spoke about the nature of the name husband or housebound, and it doesn't mean that you are tied to a house in the sense of some sort of servitude.
00:51:03.280It's that you're tied to a house in responsibility and in oaths.
00:51:07.560So, he came to a husbandman's house, and there they received a night's lodging.
00:51:16.140About evening, Thor took his he-goats and slaughtered them both.
00:51:21.740After that, they were flayed and born to the cauldron.
00:51:26.620When the cooking was done, then Thor and his companion sat down to supper.
00:51:31.240Thor invited to meet with him, the husband and his wife, and their children.
00:51:38.840The husbandman's son was called Hjalfi, and the daughter Roskva.
00:51:46.800Now bear in mind, too, the word meal and meat actually have the same origin.
00:51:53.480and that was something we were I was talking to my children about as my youngest son is starting
00:52:01.160to delve into English as a schooling and meal and meat have origins in the same place instead of the
00:52:12.620general germanic flesh or fleisch uh for what we call meat today um so he invites the uh owner of
00:52:25.180the the freeman that owns the farm and his wife and their children and then thor laid the goat
00:52:32.780hides just further away from the fire and said to the husbandmen and his servants that they should
00:52:40.040cast all the bones of the goats upon the hive. Thealfi, the husbandman's son, was holding a
00:52:48.300thigh bone of one of the goats, and he split it with his knife, and he broke it in so that he
00:52:55.120could eat the marrow. Now, one little thing of context, he spoke to them and said, do not break
00:53:02.640any bones and it was specifically loki who instigated this and that's kind of again glossed
00:53:11.420over here because of for condensement but it again it shows a turning away from alignment
00:53:19.620and it's it's one of the many of the stories where he turns away from alignment perhaps he gets back
00:53:28.840with with deed or with items but then does it again consistently and so thor tarried there
00:53:38.600overnight he stayed and in the interval before the day rose up and he clothed clothed himself
00:53:45.080he took the hammer mjolnir swung it up and hallowed the goat hides straight away the he goats
00:53:53.440rose up, and then one of them was lame in the hind leg. Thor discovered this and declared
00:54:00.120that the husbandman or his household could not have dealt wisely with the bones of the goat.
00:54:07.760He knew that the thigh bone had been deliberately broken. There is no need to make a long story of
00:54:14.780it. All may know how frightened the husbandman must have been when he saw Thor let his brows
00:54:22.680sink down before his eyes, but when he looked at the eyes, then it seemed to him that he must
00:54:31.180fall down before their glances alone. He threw himself down. Thor clenched his hands on the
00:54:40.080hammer shaft so that the knuckles whitened, and the husbandmen and all of his household did
00:54:46.560what was expected. They cried out lustily and prayed for peace, offered in recompense all that
00:54:54.620they had. But when he saw the terror in them, then the fury departed from him, and he became appeased
00:55:03.780and took of them an atonement. He said that the children would travel with him, Thielvi and Rostva,
00:55:10.380who then became his bond servants, and they follow him ever since.
00:55:17.240And this has some hidden and deep layered meanings about the idea of piety in the face,
00:55:27.340in particular with the Lord that is connected to heaven and earth.
00:55:32.200He is very intimately tied to the middle world.
00:55:35.760And, again, anybody who would be so foolish as to think that they could go out into a thunderstorm carrying a metal rod and thinking that they won't be struck is because power and dominion over primordial forces,
00:55:57.360particularly in the control of such things as creating a balance between polarics that is
00:56:05.360lightning thunder and many other things um all are equal in the possibility of that um and that's
00:56:15.140one of the points that's being made here also again the the piety now this piety is done in
00:56:22.040fear, but once it is seen by Lord Thor, his anger departs him because he knows not that this isn't
00:56:32.000the reason why anyone should be pious to him. So I find all of that very interesting. The bonds
00:56:39.420servants is an understanding to where, again, paying off a debt in ancient times could involve
00:56:48.440one of your children goes to help a household until they're old enough to have their own things
00:56:55.500and they could be freed sometimes they would even be given gifts as kind of a foster son but it
00:57:02.460wasn't done through treaty it was done through having to pay off a debt it's just a common thing
00:57:08.460of ancient times. So it sets up the point of the story of Thor going to Jotunheim. And it
00:57:24.200starts with him traveling over Midgard and staying a night in a free man's house,
00:57:35.140which again anytime that the gods come to the middle world and reside in the home
00:57:42.220there's much more symbolic nature going on here same with Heimdallur when he comes to great
00:57:49.220grandfather and great grandmother and grandmother and grandfather and then father and mother's
00:57:55.460homes each time the folk progress quite literally like in an evolutionary sense so and he's invited
00:58:04.500into the home and he is invited to stay between them or in reality it's the faith of it's the
00:58:14.180the actual religiousness uh that is brought into the home that makes them better
00:58:20.880and so in this case there is food being eaten and there's the kind of overarching story of
00:58:30.160the the bone being cracked and um it's just i i love all of this you can read it in so many
00:58:39.220different ways but our ancestors were definitely relating to this um in a very straightforward
00:58:46.980like guest rules or if the guest is bringing food because you're so uh you're not well off
00:58:54.160And yet, because you brought this guest in, they have fed you. And then the hallowing of the goats is often pointed to about the idea of hallowing in our faith.
00:59:10.260we hallow in the form of uh the hammer the sign of the hammer sometimes that could be a fee fought
00:59:17.620sometimes that could be a uh a kind of literal drawing of a hammer um and why uh oftentimes
00:59:26.820not all times but oftentimes the four names of thor are invoked um but it's the point of
00:59:33.140of it is the sanctity of it. And Lord Thor doing that is another kind of capsule showing
00:59:43.700traditions that have been passed down, that our ancestors would hallow things with the sign of
00:59:52.440the hammer. And it's mentioned even by Christians who were attending certain events that this was
00:59:58.780done. So this is just another way in which mythos like a rope has many bands. And one of them is to
01:00:06.680keep cultural continuity, uh, continuancy with traditions and things like that, even though when
01:00:13.780it might seem irrelevant for the gods to do it, or perhaps they're being you hammerized, but it's
01:00:20.340just enough so that it's both fantastical and entertaining, but sharing something. So we move
01:00:28.580on to 45. And this is of the dealings of Thor and Skrymir. This is a continuation of the first part.
01:00:38.400So now Thor has Thjallvi and Roskva and he has Loki and he continues his travel. He has come
01:00:47.440down from the heavenly realm into Midgard, but decided to stop before fully going eastward
01:00:55.180over and beyond into the realm of the Jotnar. And so there is this, the travel.
01:01:04.420Finally, they move that morning on. So thereupon, he left his goats behind as one was lame.
01:01:16.120And they moved eastward towards Jotunheim and clear to the sea. And then he went out over the
01:01:23.440that deep one. But when he came to land, he went up, and Loki and Thielvi and Roskva with him.
01:01:31.940Then, when he had walked a little while, there stood before them a great forest.
01:01:39.400So here we have an interesting point. The conceptualization by the Norsemen of the Eastern
01:01:48.500Sea, knowing of the Mediterranean, the speculation is, is it the Black Sea? Is it the Caspian Sea?
01:01:56.860Or is it simply, again, the purpose of a sea being that mythical liminal space between Midgard
01:02:07.220and the land beyond? And we see this even in Tolkien and other works of fiction about kings
01:02:17.380and and uh alvat or elves going beyond off to the edges these these liminal spaces are
01:02:25.660uh made finite just for us to comprehend them but he goes across and then comes across a great
01:02:37.100markland uh mark meaning like a forest and there he goes they walked a little while and there they
01:02:46.960before them a great forest, they walked all that day until the dark. Thielvi was swiftest of foot
01:02:55.400of all men, and he bore over his shoulder Thor's bag. But there was nothing good for food. As soon
01:03:03.080as it had become dark, they sought themselves shelter for the night. And luckily, they found
01:03:08.760before them a certain hall, a very great hall. There was a door in the end of equal width as
01:03:16.460the actual hall so it wasn't just small it was the whole side of the hall wherein they took up
01:03:23.240quarters for the night but about midnight there came a great earthquake the earth rocked underneath
01:03:30.520them exceedingly and the house trembled then Thor rose up called to his companions and they explored
01:03:38.140farther and found that the middle of the hall a side chamber on the right hand and they went
01:03:45.460thither. Thor sat down in the doorway, but the others were farther in from him and they were
01:03:52.180afraid. Thor gripped his hammer and thought to defend himself at the doorway. They heard a great
01:04:00.020humming sound and a crashing sound. So the way it's described here is very interesting too
01:04:06.480considering some of the other translations and stories of a cave versus a hall. But more
01:04:13.800importantly, as his companions go deeper in to seek shelter, it is Thor who steps up to the
01:04:22.360opening of the hall, ready to defend himself and his companions and not run away from this.
01:04:32.020But when it drew near to dawn, it was then that Thor went out and saw a great man lying a little
01:04:39.920away from him in the wood. And that man was not small. He slept and snored mightily. Then Thor
01:04:49.780thought he could perceive what kind of noise it was, which they had heard during the night.
01:04:56.840He girded himself with his belt of strength and his divine power began to wax. And on the instant
01:05:04.280that the man awoke and rose up swiftly, and then, it is said for the first time, Thor's heart had
01:05:10.840failed him. To strike him with the hammer, he asked him his name, and the man said his name was
01:05:20.540Skrymir. But I have no need, he said, to ask thee of thy name. I know who thou art. You are
01:05:29.620But what? What has thou dragged away my glove for?
01:05:37.620So the pun of the joke just simply being they were resting the night in his glove.
01:05:44.420And this adds on to the kind of trepidation of Lord Thor in this situation.
01:05:53.580um now in the other version uh that i read where he struck the sleeping giant or sleeping man
01:06:02.300in the end in the forest um but that he said oh there must be a fly on my forehead or there is a
01:06:09.260an oak that uh uh acorn fell on my forehead so it kind of goes even into greater detail
01:06:17.820about this but he simply says why did you drag away my glove
01:06:20.700Then Skrymir stretched out his hand and he took up the glove, and at once Thor saw that it was that which they had taken for a haul during the night.
01:06:33.520And as for the side chamber, it was not a side chamber, it was the thumb of the glove.
01:06:40.500Skrymir asked whether Thor would have his company, and Thor assented to it.
01:06:46.420Then Skrymir took and unloosened his provisions, wallet, as it is said, but his pouch, and made ready to eat his morning meal, and Thor and his fellows in another place.
01:07:00.280Skrymir then proposed to them that they lay their supply of foods together, and Thor assented.
01:07:07.040it. Then Skrimir bound up all of the food in one bag and laid it on his own back to carry.
01:07:15.220But late in the evening, Skrimir found them a place, a night quarters to rest under a certain
01:07:21.560great oak. And then Skrimir said to Thor that he would lay himself down to sleep. And do ye
01:07:30.160take the provisions bag and make ready your own supper. Sorry, I got that wrong. This is
01:07:37.360where that part comes in. So the idea that they're companions, but he's so much bigger.
01:07:47.720He knows of Lord Thor, but he decides, okay, if you're having this time, we'll just put all of
01:07:52.900our stuff together. And then by the end of the day, as they're traveling, he lays the food down
01:07:59.700and says oh you just open up the bag i'm gonna go to bed you guys make uh make your own supper
01:08:07.280and this is all laying groundwork for something so thereupon skrimir slept and snored hard and
01:08:17.960thor took the provisions bag and set about to unloose it but such things must be told as will
01:08:24.540seem incredible, he got no knot loosened and no thong end stirred. So as to be looser than it was
01:08:33.580before, when he saw that his work might not avail, then he became very angered. He gripped the hammer
01:08:42.560Mjolnir in both hands and he strode with great strides to a place where Skrimir lay and he
01:08:49.460smote him in the head. Skrymir awoke and asked whether a leaf had fallen upon his head or whether
01:08:57.760they had eaten and were they ready for bed. Thor replied that they had just then about to go to
01:09:06.460sleep. Then they went under the oak. It must be told to thee that there was then no fearless
01:09:14.460sleeping by midnight thor heard how screamer snored and slept fast so that it thundered in
01:09:22.040the woods then he stood up and went to him shook his hammer so first it's the food he can't open
01:09:30.000the bag but he doesn't want to admit that so he says no we're about to go to bed in the middle
01:09:34.920of the night the snoring starts again this time so he goes and stood uh shook his hammer eagerly
01:09:45.920and hard and smoked down in the middle of the crown he saw the face of the hammer sink deep
01:09:53.000into the head of screamer and at that moment screamer awoke and said oh what is it now
01:09:59.400did an acorn fall on my head or what is the news with thee but Thor went back speedily
01:10:09.340and replied that he was then but new awakened said that it was then midnight and there was
01:10:17.600still yet time to sleep then Thor meditated that if he would if he could get to strike him a third
01:10:27.500blow. Never should the giant see himself again. He lay now and watched, whether Skrymir were
01:10:34.400sleeping soundly yet, a little bit before daybreak. When he perceived that Skrymir must
01:10:40.320have fallen asleep, he stood up at once, rushed over to him, brandished his hammer, when with
01:10:46.700all his strength he smote upon that one of his temples, which was turned upward towards Lord
01:10:54.320thor but skrimir sat up stroked his cheek and said ah some of the birds must be sitting in the tree
01:11:02.560above i imagined when i awoke that some dirt from the twigs fell upon my head oh and you're awake
01:11:12.080thor it'll be time to arise and clothe us soon so uh but now you have no long of a journey
01:12:20.400I think that would be better for you to do that.
01:12:22.720But if ye will go forward, then turn to the east.
01:12:26.120As for me, I hold my way northward now to these hills, which ye may now see.
01:12:32.840Skrymir then took the provisions bag and cast it on his back and turned from then across the forest.
01:12:39.140And it is not recorded that the Aesir bade him Godspeed.
01:12:46.200So, again, before it was question, answer, with kind of lore substantiation.
01:12:54.040This is very much a great chunk of the story.
01:12:58.200And bear in mind too, it is built or predicated on the hesitation of revealing Lord Thor's weakness. He can't open the bag. He can't strike a sleeping giant and affect him.
01:13:17.200and it continues on in just this litany of of kind of fallacies but then it it reveals itself
01:13:26.720all at the end so 46 of the skills of thor and his companions so pausing for one sec before we
01:13:37.300get into the next we do certainly and spawn and i tend to uh dawdle on some points in here i want
01:13:44.980get through for sure tonight the tales of asa thor and we can certainly do that um
01:13:54.820but it was funny the you know he wished them godspeed at the end
01:14:00.420but looking over at the side which is just interesting for i don't know linguistic interest
01:14:07.700uh uh and then they uh so like holy i'm gonna assume hit us is speed i'd have to look that up
01:14:26.340but yeah it talks about the word for holy which comes root for many things among them halibut
01:14:35.140like the fish yeah it is the holy fish oh
01:14:40.360so just random random bit of trivia we can carry on with the narrative I just want to throw that
01:14:49.400in there because it was a awkward turn of phrase in a in a house of truth yeah I I think
01:14:58.740interesting too just the idea of holy speed or or holy travel blessed travel and even in uh
01:15:09.300iceland today to say goodbye you simply say bless or uh if you're very comfortable with
01:15:16.820the person you know them well you would just say yeah bless bless and that's just kind of the go
01:15:22.980blessed um so as we kind of break from this situation and move into the next so it's a
01:15:35.060succession really really covering a large portion of this story um 46 of the skill of thor and his
01:15:45.520companions so now thor turned forward on his way and his fellows and went onward till midday
01:15:51.920Then they saw a castle standing in a certain plain and set their necks down on their backs before they could see up and over it.
01:16:03.360So that's basically, they're craning their necks so high up that their heads are on their backs to see the top of it, to see over it.
01:16:16.440I love some of the imagery and the wordplay that's going on here.
01:16:21.920Another thing is the choice of the, of the word castle.
01:16:27.720So there's, it's a borkar, and then there's, you know, here is, is borkariner.
01:16:35.760It's, it, it's a castle, it's a keep, but in a Old Norse context, this is a, you know, a walled hall, most likely on a hill.
01:16:47.120So it's just it's, I think, interesting to think of the simply by inserting the word castle kind of evokes much of even the stories of, say, like Jack and the Beanstalk, which there are some interesting runic and Germanic ties to that story that have survived.
01:17:10.880But just the simple usage of the word castle, say, versus Stonehall and how stories can begin to move forward in time, even to the point, like, as you've mentioned many times, where Lord Odin and Lord Thor will be perceived as wearing modern medieval attire.
01:17:38.020carrying a falchion long after the usage of the falchion or I mean the uh the the usage of the
01:17:45.640straight sword was gone and the falchion was popular it's just I find a lot of that very
01:17:51.140interesting as well um so they went to the castle and there was a a grating in front of the castle
01:18:00.220a portcullis, and did not seem in opening it, but they struggled to make their way in.
01:18:08.800They crept between the bars and came in that way. They saw a great hall and went thither,
01:18:16.320and the door was open. And then they went in, and they saw many a men on two benches.
01:18:22.520Most of them were big enough. Thereupon, they came before the king, Utgardaloki.
01:18:29.240So a couple of things about that. Most people might obviously notice the Loki reference. So it's interesting about the etymology of Loki and the usage sometimes of other titles.
01:18:49.240But one of the key points to really gain from this is the Utgarda. He is a element outside, very far outside, even by Jotnar standards. So from a cosmological level, the encountering of elements are beyond primordial.
01:19:11.480They're not ancient fire, ancient earth.
01:19:16.300It's the confliction of things that even don't have perhaps definition.
01:19:24.580And we see that as the story progresses.
01:19:30.460So they went before the king, Utgardaloki, and saluted him.
01:19:35.380But he looked at them in his own good time and smiled scornfully over his teeth and said, it is late to ask tidings of a long journey.
01:19:47.900Or it is otherwise than I think that this toddler is Okuthor, yet thou mayest be greater than thou appearest to me.
01:19:59.200so one of the things that's interesting here is the idea of seeking a place to stay at a late
01:20:07.460hour uh clearly seeming to be um a faux pas but at the same time he also jabs and says oh is this
01:20:17.820like a little this is like a little baby uh who's who is this is this okothor but he reveals that
01:20:26.660He knows that Thor was supposed to be coming.
01:20:30.660And on top of that, he says, you may appear greater than you appear, or you may be greater than you appear.
01:20:38.220And that is a very interesting choice of words.
01:20:41.940So, what manner of accomplishments are those which thou and thy fellows with you think to be ready for?
01:20:50.480No one shall be here with us who knows not some kind of craft or cunning or some way of surpassing most men.
01:21:00.760Then spoke the one who came last, who was called Loki.
01:21:07.100He said, I know such a trick, which I am ready to try, that there is no one here in this hall who shall eat his food more quickly than I.
01:21:54.600Loki sat down at one end and Logi at the other, and each ate as fast as they could, and they met in the middle of the trough.
01:22:03.380By the time that Loki had eaten all of the meat from the bones, it was known Loki, likewise, had eaten all the meat and the bones and the trough itself.
01:22:19.880And now it seemed to all as if Loki had lost the game.
01:22:26.800Then Utgarda Loki asked what yonder young man could play at.
01:22:32.120the bondservant, the Alfie, and he answered that he would undertake a race with whoever so Utgard the Loki would bring to him.
01:22:44.500Then Utgard the Loki said that that was a good accomplishment and that there was a great likelihood that he must be well endowed with the fleetness of foot
01:22:55.840if he were to perform such a feat, yet he would speedily see to it that the matter should be
01:23:02.760tested. Then Utgard-the-Loki arose. He went out, and there was, in good course, a course to run
01:23:12.280on and over a level plane. Then Utgard-the-Loki called to him a certain lad, whose name was
01:23:19.500Huy, and bade him run a match against the Alfie.
01:23:26.000Then they held their first heat, the heat of the race.
01:23:30.500And Huy was so much ahead that he turned back to meet the Alfie at the end of the course.
01:23:39.460Then said Utkarda Loki, thou wilt need to lay thyself forward more.
01:23:46.440Thielfi, if thou art to win this game, but it is nonetheless true that never have any men come thither who seem to be more fleeter foot than this.
01:23:57.160Then they began another heat around the track, and when Hygi had reached the course's end and was turning back, there was still a long bolt shot to Thielfi, an arrow shot.
01:26:27.440and thought that he should not need to bend oftener to the horn but when his breath failed
01:26:36.560and he raised his head from the horn he looked to see how it had gone with the drinking it seemed to
01:26:42.900him that there was very little space by which the drink was lower now in the horn and it was as
01:26:49.240before. Then said Utgar the Loki, it is well drunk and not too much, I should have not believed, but
01:26:57.400if it had been told to me that Alsathor could not drink a great drop from this horn, but I know that
01:27:04.420thou wilt wish to drink it off it in another drop, another try perhaps. Thor answered with nothing,
01:27:12.840but yet set the horn to his mouth thinking now that he should drink a great drink and he struggled
01:27:19.880with the drop until his breath gave out and yet he saw that the tip of the horn would not come
01:27:26.840so much as he had liked so that the the mead at the end of the horn didn't wash towards him uh
01:27:37.320when he took the horn from his mouth and looked at looked at it it seemed to him that it had
01:27:41.880decreased less than the former time but now there was clearly apparent lowering in the horn
01:27:49.400then said utgar the loki oh how now thor that will not shrink from one more drink
01:27:57.480then may be well for thee if thou now drink the third drop from the horn it seems to me that
01:28:04.840if it must be esteemed the greatest if be if you be esteemed as the greatest but thou canst
01:28:13.560not be called so great a man amongst the icer as they call thee if thou cannot better the account
01:28:21.560of thyself in other games then it seems to me may come of this then thor became extremely angry
01:28:30.200and he set the horn to his mouth and he drank with all of his might and struggled with the
01:28:38.160drink as much as he could and when he looked up into the horn at least some space had been made
01:28:43.940then he gave up gave up the horn and he could drink no more
01:28:49.500so as these are going we are learning some very interesting hall culture games the drinking of
01:28:59.980horn or drinking games and the idea of whether it's a a swallow or you're drinking until you can't
01:29:07.820really go anymore or you have to take a breath um but the the point of this really too is is
01:29:16.620that you you can't be so great as what the the humans in midgard and the gods say about you
01:29:22.620You can't contend with my henchman's drinking horn.
01:29:28.200And this was ultimately the crooks of why earlier in the story,
01:29:32.500when King Galfi is talking to the three kings and they say they don't want to talk about this,
01:29:38.160but then they go into excruciating detail about it with good point.
01:29:44.940Then said Utgard the Loki, now it is evident that thy prowess,
01:29:49.780not so great as we thought it would be, but wilt thou try thy hand in some more games?
01:29:58.080It may readily be seen that thou gettest no advantage hereof, Thor, or no advantage hereof.
01:30:05.440Thor answered, I will make a trial of yet other games, but it would have seemed wonderful to me
01:30:12.560when I was at home with the Aesir, if such drinks had been called so little.
01:30:18.740So he's, speaking of the oddity of such a thing, the suspicion is there, something's going on, but, you know, it would have been better, he would have, he has maintained his title amongst the gods, something's off.
01:30:39.700so uh but what game will you offer me now then said utgar the loki well young lads here are want
01:30:51.260to do this which is um really of a small consequence amongst us you have to um lift up
01:30:59.400that cat over there you have to lift it from the earth uh but i really shouldn't have spoken of
01:31:07.880such a thing for the greatness of also thor if i had not seen that thou had far less in thee than
01:31:15.360i had thought i would never have considered proposing it but thereupon there leaped forth
01:31:23.240on how on the hall floor a great gray cat it was a very big one and thor went to it and took with
01:31:31.640his hands and down under the middle of the belly and he lifted it up but the cat bent in such an
01:31:39.260arch that Thor stretched up his hands and when Thor reached up as high as he could at the very
01:31:46.880utmost then the cat lifted but only one foot off the floor and Thor got his game no further.
01:31:54.560then utgardo loki said this game went even as i had foreseen the cat is very great and large
01:32:04.220whereas thor you are very low and little besides the huge men here with us
01:32:10.880so then said thor little as ye call me let anyone who come up now and i will wrestle them
01:32:22.540Any one of these big MFers around me, I'll wrestle him right now, is basically what he's saying.
01:38:02.000Then, said Utgardiloki, now I will tell thee the truth. Now that thou art come out of the castle, and if I live and I am able to prevail, then you shall never again come into it.
01:38:27.480And if I survive even telling you this, I will never let you back into this castle again.
01:38:35.900And this I know by my troth that thou shouldest never have come into it to begin with.
01:38:42.840If I had known before that thou had so much strength in thee that thou shouldest so nearly have had just in great peril.
01:38:53.220but I made ready against the eye illusions, and I came upon you the first time in the wood as
01:39:01.600skrimir, and when thou wouldest have unloosened the provisions bag, I had bound it with iron,
01:39:09.100and thou didst not find where to undo it, but next thou didst smite me three times with your hammer,
01:39:16.000And then first, but then, oh, excuse me, I've lost, but next thou did smite me three times with the hammer, and the first was the least, and was yet so great that it would have suffered to slay me if it had actually hit me.
01:39:36.860Where thou sawest near my hall a saddle-backed mountain cut through the top into three square dales, dales valleys, and one of the deepest those were the marks of thy hammer.
01:39:52.080So he was not striking Skrimir. It was all eye illusions, as it's translated. He was working magic against him to measure him. And every strike created a valley.
01:40:06.980i brought the saddle back uh the saddle back before the blow but thou didst not set see that
01:40:17.980so it was also with the games in which he did contend against my henchmen that was the first
01:40:25.220which loki did he was very hungry and ate zealously but he who calls himself logi is wildfire and he
01:40:34.660burned the trough no less swiftly than the meat itself and thialvi he ran a race with hugi that
01:40:43.380is thought and i'll circle back to thought and utgard in a moment and it was not to be expected
01:40:53.480of thialvi that he should even match his swiftness at all moreover when thou didst drink from the
01:40:59.780horn and it seemed to thee to go slowly then? By my faith, that was a wonder, which I should not
01:41:07.320have believed even possible. The other end of that horn is connected to the sea, but thou didst not
01:41:13.860perceive it. But now when thou comest back to the ocean, you will see, you'll be able to mark
01:41:21.200the diminishing that you had, that thou hast drunk from the sea. And this henceforth is called
01:41:28.500the ebb tides. So now we're getting into a kind of a physical situation where there is this
01:41:40.840mythological congruence with the lowering of the tides or the lowering of the ocean.
01:41:47.840And again, he said, it seemed to me, not less noteworthy, that when thou didst lift up the cat
01:41:55.480And to tell thee truly, then all were afraid of you in that hall who saw how you had didst lift but one foot off the earth, because that was no cat.
01:42:08.000That, as it appeared to thee, it was the Midgard serpent, which lies about all the land, and scarcely does it length suffice to encompass the entirety of the earth with its head and its tail.
01:42:23.320So high didst thou stretch up thine arms that it was then by a little way more to heaven.
01:42:32.400When thou didst withstand so long and did not fall more than one knee wrestling Ellie, since none had ever been able and none shall ever be able.
01:42:43.940if he becomes so old as to abide for she is old age that she shall not cause him to fall
01:42:54.100and now it is the truth to tell that we must part and it will be much better on both of our sides
01:43:00.300that you never come here to seek us again another time i will defend my castle with similar wiles
01:43:07.640tricks or with others so that ye shall get no power over me when thor heard these sayings
01:43:17.360he clutched his hammer and he brandished it aloft but when he was about to launch the attack
01:43:24.060he saw that utgard loki had disappeared into nothingness he was nowhere and then he turned
01:43:31.340back to the castle, purposing to crush it piece by piece when he saw there was no castle there,
01:43:38.340but a wide and open plain. So he turned back and he went his way, till he was back again in
01:43:47.400Thrudvanger, his home. But it is true the tale that he resolved to seek, if he might bring about
01:43:55.700a meeting between himself and the Midgard serpent, which afterward came to pass. Now I think no one
01:44:03.160knows how to tell the more truly concerning these journeys of Thor. So it begins to make the
01:44:12.140connectivity between the Midgard serpent right at the end there, and that's what moves into the next
01:44:17.160section um another bout of lord thor against the midgard serpent but it's important we we are
01:44:27.000laying some key groundwork when he strikes the giant on the head he creates valleys when he
01:44:33.080drinks from the horn he lowers the ocean when he raises up the cat he is raising up the midgard
01:44:40.760serpent, which it, you know, the, the postulation that it could be say the currents of the ocean,
01:44:49.920which would then connect those two, uh, perhaps equatorial or magnetic power of the earth or the
01:44:57.860very Milky way itself. Some, some, uh, scholars and religious folks have, uh, you know, what if
01:45:05.880the midgard serpent is the uh the milky way and especially that connection with that raising
01:45:13.480up to the heavens but again massive forces and considering son of heaven and earth uh magnetism
01:45:27.160his son magni and his son modi strength gravity and we have all of these deep connections the iron
01:45:35.160rod the iron core um there is a huge amount of or you know i mentioned the electromagnet
01:45:44.680the electromagnetic fields there are great levels i think that we could read further into this but
01:45:53.320he's out there in in the outer in the utgar and he's shifting things that they
01:46:01.880did not think he could do. And once they found out that he could do it, they realized they were
01:46:09.400in trouble. The other is elli, old age, time, but time in a, in a consumptive sense, not necessarily
01:46:17.420say like at the well of Erd, which is in heaven and the Nornir are there placing into reality,
01:46:25.700fate, time, destiny, all of these things kind of flowing into the well. No, this is the consumptive
01:46:32.400side of time, the drawing of and the breaking down of things as they traverse, as they go from
01:46:41.820the upper realm to the middle realm, and they drift into the land of consumption, the Jotnar
01:46:48.740are are associated with um consuming um this is done through um the the the linguistics of it
01:46:59.540are loosely connected to yarvi which is actually the icelandic word for wolverine um but uh the
01:47:08.340wolverine is a uh it's called gulo gulo or gluttonous glutton because it's constantly eating
01:47:15.300So Jarvi and the Jotnar, the idea of the consumptive nature of this realm, that it pulls even into the outer realms, the Utgard, and there is this kind of breaking apart of the fabrics of time.
01:47:33.360um and we know that it doesn't apply necessarily to the land of the dead uh and i think that's
01:47:42.000ultimately the reason why lord odin placed the souls of the folk there was to keep it
01:47:47.620keep them safe um but this consumption is going and yet he's tied to heaven which is timeless but
01:47:56.240he's also tied to the middle world which is not timeless it's cyclical and yet still he stood
01:48:02.480only languishing a knee. All of this is, again, symbolically speaking of the might that he can
01:48:12.800stand against even cosmic time consumption. And again, time and gravity and all of these things
01:48:19.260are, I would say, like, they're relative. But remember, this is the Utgard. This is the
01:48:27.340outer reaches this is beyond even the understanding of things so here is the
01:48:33.820consumptive nature of time the final ending place the the langolier in if you're any king fans but
01:48:42.080just like this kind of consumptive whirlpool breaking and consuming everything down and yet
01:48:48.160he managed to stay just only losing a knee um the idea that kind of is being bashed here
01:49:00.260ultimately too is this sense of omnipotence um godly might is godly might and yet at the same
01:49:10.220time, there is a greater sense that our holy gods must fight and struggle. They must go through. If
01:49:19.280everything is just simply omnipotence, then everything, every struggle that is, is irrelevant.
01:49:25.640In actuality, it's created by you. If you create these struggles, you're doing it because
01:49:32.160apparently you create everything so however for us divine might cosmic might great astronomical
01:49:40.960divine might is tested in the gamut of an ecosystem of forces moving back and forth
01:49:51.700some willfully some not willfully some of them are are not even um conscious they're just
01:49:59.140like fighting against a wave but yet yeah did you finish that last paragraph i did uh
01:50:07.560yeah i got to 48 okay cool i must have spaced on that i just wanted to make sure we cleared it all
01:50:15.020the way out because i do want to go into answering a number of questions here yeah i was just
01:50:20.800speaking about why these correlations would have effect and and how kind of the perceptions how
01:50:28.880they could be cosmic they could be even quite physical like the lowering of the tides or the
01:50:34.420your last point was really important and i think that
01:50:38.080it's one of the points i make about fatalism um and it's another thing that
01:50:55.200i don't know how to characterize the others and i'm i it's not really about the others it's about
01:51:05.660ours but what makes ours inherently heroic is their struggle their struggle in this life
01:51:10.760their struggle in the afterlife and there's also struggle for our gods in the cosmos it's not
01:51:18.540the all-powerful everything is perfect with this one perfect being and we're all just kind of here
01:51:27.240to tell him how awesome he is. There's a lot more room for heroic action and you can't have
01:51:34.860heroism without potential for consequence. So I think that's really important in our Lord. I think
01:51:41.840it's really important in our faith. It's a fundamental distinction between us and the
01:51:47.080abrahamics that i think is very very important so we have a we have a bunch of questions kind
01:51:53.560of stacking but i want to get to one of the last ones first because can i uh i need to i need to
01:52:00.120use the restroom really fast so i don't know if you wanted to take it you know you're good go for
01:52:04.760it i got this one so um it was asked do you guys think there's hope for a white majority pan
01:52:13.800european population again in america or is our race doomed and it came with a number of other
01:52:22.120kind of follow-ups and a couple of things we run into this kind of black pill quote unquote thing
01:52:34.520often and those of us that have heard it endlessly for years and years and years
01:52:40.680get a little bit grumpy about hearing it sometimes try to shut it down and i don't think that's fair
01:52:46.580right i think that our folk come to it at different points in their life they come to a
01:52:51.060realization of all the things out there in the world that um seem to conspire against us in a
01:53:00.000lot of ways we get um i think you know kind of sometimes there's a tendency to have a flippant
01:53:07.940remark or two who cares and I saw over in the chat like oh we should all care very deeply
01:53:12.560you're right we should care very deeply and those of us who are here no matter what bravado that we
01:53:18.920have or front load with we all see what you see and we do care very deeply the difference is what
01:53:27.180do you do with that care it is very very easy to see all of the macro problems in the world around
01:53:36.140us. All of the things that we don't like, wish we were different, or that we know are bad for
01:53:41.500us individually, our families, and our race as a whole. I get it. To the extent that you have
01:53:51.500the ability to affect those things, absolutely. Do things that make that better. But what I think
01:53:58.520lot of us are faced with is what things can we do today in our lives that change
01:54:06.520the current of western geopolitics over the last 80 years well there's not a lot of direct stuff
01:54:15.880that we can do what we can do is look around us and see the things we can put our energy in to
01:54:23.560make better and do those things and it doesn't mean be ignorant of the bigger situation not at all
01:54:31.640but find ways that you can help make something better and if you can't do anything about the
01:54:36.440big macro stuff find the micro stuff that you can do stuff about one of the really special things
01:54:44.120about the ostrich fold assembly we've watched lots of things in this world go in a less good
01:54:51.800direction for a long time we've seen the afa be awesome we've seen things within our afa family
01:55:00.520within our faith blossom in beautiful and tremendous ways and being part of the australian
01:55:11.320gives you a small slice of our folk that you can have a really big impact in making their lives
01:55:20.040better and doing good things take advantage of that it's so easy to feel weighed down by the
01:55:28.520literally the weight of the world on your shoulders now focus on the stuff that you can help
01:55:35.000you can make this world so much better for your fellow afa members your friends your family
01:55:43.240and by doing that we set off ripples that do affect things i'm not saying stay a loop from
01:55:51.100me if you have opportunities you know i don't know run for office be part of things get involved
01:55:56.700that's fine but things that you can actually do to help and i wanted to check with producer
01:56:03.380nick because we just got some donations it's not just about a money thing but it is about
01:56:07.040contribution we're we've got five hoffs now 11 years ago we had zero loss that's amazing
01:56:19.360i am really fortunate as the austerity of the afa almost daily i hear from someone
01:56:27.360about how the afa has literally saved their life and how it has given them meaning and made their
01:56:34.000life better that's awesome i feel the presence of the gods in my life every single day that's
01:56:44.560so precious and i know that so many of our people feel that we are doing something and building
01:56:51.280foundations of something that is gonna be amazing within our lifetime but more than that that's
01:56:59.680something that's going to be foundational and awesome for our children and even greater for
01:57:05.120our grandchildren and spectacular beyond that if we put our energy behind pushing it forward and
01:57:11.840make it happen we have people contributing tonight to get us to pay off that fifth off so we can get
01:57:18.160the sixth off which we're going to build ourselves in honor of lord tier we have so many things that
01:57:26.000we are doing to make the world so much better for the membership of the AFA, our families,
01:57:34.880and hopefully as a beacon for the rest of our folk to call them home so that the circle of
01:57:41.440people we can affect and make better keeps getting larger all the time. We can be part of doing that,
01:57:49.600or we can sit around and endlessly ulcerate over all the things that we all get that aren't good
01:57:57.360out there so over in the chat i saw a number of things something cool a lot of people are waking
01:58:02.800up could we become a minority in the country that our ancestors founded possibly we're still a ways
01:58:12.400away from that but possibly one of the things that i think is really important and again
01:58:21.280not lots of stuff sucks i get it i'm there i understand but when those things happen they
01:58:29.120open up opportunities if we are only looking down and we don't look up we miss the chances
01:58:37.120for success and for doing things. We have a lot of opportunity in that. People are waking
01:58:48.400up. There are movements all around the West of people who are openly talking about things
01:58:55.720that are um disadvantageous for our folk people are openly talking about black fatigue and about
01:59:07.480the presence of international jewelry and negative things that are causing problems
01:59:15.080that's an open topic of conversation amongst people now to where you couldn't even venture
01:59:21.000close to that 10 years ago. Eyes are opening. There's good things. One of the things that I've
01:59:30.480seen is it takes a certain amount of hitting rock bottom in life or personal tragedy to open
01:59:39.640people's eyes to the things that are important and the things that they need. I don't wish that
01:59:46.400tragedy on people but if it happens there is an upside that people wake up and hopefully
01:59:53.280if we're building this the best we can when they do wake up they have a place to come home to and
01:59:59.760a community to help strengthen them and help build success for them and their families we're doing
02:00:06.000that in the afa to the best of our ability is it fixing everything absolutely not but is it fixing
02:00:13.360some very important things in our lives and our families lives absolutely are we trying to fix
02:00:20.000those things for as many of our folk as we invite home and take us up on that invitation absolutely
02:00:26.000we're doing it every day and we're doing it even better every year we now have five hoffs to the
02:00:33.120icer where for a thousand years there was no pops to the icer that's amazing we've got beautiful
02:00:40.480things that we're doing together. I'm not sure, you know, we're going by whatever YouTube name
02:00:45.960in the chat room. I don't know if you're a member or not. If you're not, I would invite you to get
02:00:50.980on the team and be part of what we're doing because we're much stronger the more of us
02:00:57.100who are doing it together. But I didn't want to just glaze over it. It's not, please don't ever
02:01:01.020think that we don't get it or it's not important. We just choose not to dwell on it all the time.
02:01:06.420We're aware, so many of us are aware, but we're also trying to make everybody aware of our beautiful and amazing heritage, our link with the gods of our creation who wrote and built our souls, who gave us the very first gifts in a holy gift cycle that we are just now reestablishing.
02:01:30.960um beautiful things are happening be part of that we are building a golden age within the
02:01:38.420husk of the wolf age around us and for those inside that golden age they're seeing some
02:01:45.040really beautiful things happen and i hope that more of our people invite anyone listening to
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02:02:48.520that's what we've got on that we do have some other questions we're going to try to hit those
02:02:52.840we will i say finish off with the remaining tale of also four in this piece we will at least do
02:03:01.480that and kind of see where we're at but i do want to hit some of these questions while they're there
02:03:05.480so emily and here's the thing if you are unable to make the broadcast but you still have questions
02:03:12.920you want us to answer you can email those to us literally at any time you can email them during
02:03:17.660the show or i don't know it 4 a.m on a friday if you think of them bns at runestone.org and we will
02:03:28.380get to them on our next available opportunity. So Emily has three questions for us. The first,
02:03:36.260what is your opinion on evolution, mainly macro? Do all the races share a common ancestry?
02:04:02.340How the minutiae of it fully works from the past and what we can observe today,
02:04:10.000I am open to a lot of that, but observably, evolution happens.
02:04:17.760common ancestor we are we already know that that concept and the interceding injection of other
02:04:30.600say uh you know whether it's neanderthal with the europeans um homo habilis with the africans
02:04:40.020There is also this kind of interconnectivity with different non-common ancestors.
02:04:49.720I think that that showcases clearly a level that there isn't an interconnectedness between us as much as modern science would really, really love to believe.
02:05:02.280And they're just afraid to talk about it because that opens up other doors.
02:05:07.820But I mean, if we're willing to at least admit that there is the injection of hominids that are, some of them haven't been found, some of them are mysterious, the others have been studied, and that they've had effects on different groups of humans throughout the world,
02:05:31.420then that's one step closer to an understanding that having a different origin for for us and we
02:05:40.960see this with um the kind of blanketed term that oh we have we have a common ancestor that uh that
02:05:50.900we broke away from or they broke away from if they're talking about primates and things uh we
02:05:56.800know there's a common ancestor and it's just very easy to kind of blanketly say that but up until
02:06:03.920only you know maybe 50 years or so was the consideration oh wait a minute one there's an
02:06:11.280injection of other hominids as they're kind of uh unifying in different areas and there are different
02:06:18.720ones um that they you know they are starting to begin to realize like the possibility of of origin
02:06:29.360and how far it goes back and at what point if there is any unification they don't really know
02:06:37.360science is kind of like that though i mean if you ask science and i just say that in a
02:06:44.240in kind of a funny sense but i'm being a little serious
02:06:49.600the moon they don't like scientific there's plenty of theory there's no definitive proof and
02:06:59.600the possibility may never be found out but it could also be found out with certain things but
02:07:06.560there isn't one it is the same in this case we can postulate that there is a common link or an
02:07:14.400ancestral connective point because that makes sense to us in a in a in a logical sense utilizing that
02:07:28.000logic but yet time and time again that logic has been bashed by wholly different ideas that have
02:07:36.720come in and proven that just the train of thought does not necessarily stand up to the truth
02:07:44.000of the actual situation so when we talk about those things it's not about whether we do or we
02:07:53.680don't it's about the possibility that if we're looking at things is there a possibility that
02:08:03.120there isn't and why is that rejected so much because it defies logic or it just because
02:08:10.080that's something mean people would say i mean again there are other hominid species that have
02:08:17.840they have genetic connections to us that people would never have believed just a little while
02:08:26.720ago. So I'm more open to all of the possibilities and I don't like to lock down on that. I try to
02:08:34.360focus predominantly on where I'm standing and kind of in my yard, if you will, and not necessarily
02:08:44.240pushing uh on others whether we want to talk about evolution de-evolution which again another
02:08:52.780concept that was being spoken about uh not too long ago but was immediately quashed uh even
02:09:00.600you know robert e howard and um h.p lovecraft were discussing the ideas of like de-evolution
02:09:07.200and it was normal and then right around about the 50s it got iced because it could open up
02:09:16.360possibilities that they people didn't want to talk about um the invasion theory of um
02:09:23.620india which really isn't a theory anymore because of genetics but we have these points where all
02:09:32.300things that are thought either impossible or absolutely possible are kind of standing or
02:09:41.220floating in limbo until I think we have the possibilities of finding out. But I don't want
02:09:48.260to say one way or the other, because I think that's actually ridiculous to do so considering
02:09:53.480how many times things have been proven. I think it would be more likely that we are not
02:10:01.680sourced from the same sources but have merged but that's you know it's like kind of like uh when you
02:10:09.180see the scientific um things were like oh everything's evolving into crabs they're
02:10:15.220totally different things but they end up crabs right parallel to each other even though they
02:10:21.720sourced completely from different places if that is applying there and we can see parallelism in
02:10:28.960nature happen over and over and over again i think it would be more substantial to say that the
02:10:34.720possibility is that we are sourced from different uh places but people don't like to say that
02:10:43.120because they don't want to be perceived as mean or what have you but they have no problem saying
02:10:47.840about crabs it's just people because it becomes different uh it's the same thing with like
02:10:53.840species designation. There is clearly a difference between these two wolves that are barely different
02:11:01.580by any sort of visible means. But the moment you suggest that humans are different, the whole
02:11:07.180topic gets shut down. And you get the well actuallys that are like, oh, well, genetic this
02:11:12.180and genetic, but can't quite formulate why, you know, one, the polar bear to the grizzly bear
02:11:20.660who have been living apart from each other less time than some human groups.
02:11:30.700So you just find the scientific kind of hemming and hawing.
02:11:34.840And I would just kind of err on the side of the possibilities that I've seen elsewhere.
02:11:45.060but I am skeptical when biologists immediately try to kind of glaze things over and avoid
02:11:54.060dangerous topics. Those that, my son just drew something for me and showing it.
02:12:06.180I can look with confidence towards other things and find parallel. And I think that that's
02:12:13.660something that we should do without perhaps any sense of bias of right or wrong, or whether it's
02:12:20.360going to hurt people's feelings. And you see other people very confidently speaking in the other
02:12:25.760direction, say they, they, they come on to social media and they're like, oh, we're, you know, we
02:12:30.740have alien DNA and we're not, you know, we're of this world or we're not of this world. And they
02:12:36.680very confident, just kind of shooting from the hip on, on this subject. I prefer to say,
02:12:41.320I see it elsewhere. Can it apply to us? Well, I think so, because of parallelism in evolution and the ecology of organisms.
02:12:53.940But do I know fully? I don't. And I'm open to things. As we learn more, even just genetics alone has cracked open so much in the past 40, 50 years. Or, I mean, not even that. This is shorter than that. And we can, I think there's more to come as we go.
02:13:21.020So something I'd like to say, there's, Emily, your questions are awesome and we are going
02:13:42.420If we just by divine right, I'm the Alzheimer's and I say so, I just make stuff up.
02:13:46.400i do the very best that i can not to use that and not to do that truth is what matters
02:13:53.380anything that i'm going to tell you is going to be my honest understanding of the truth
02:14:00.000sometimes that means i don't know sometimes that means none of us this side of the veil know
02:14:09.300In terms of evolution, do we have a common ancestor in terms of an amoeba or a rodent that might branch off into something else at some point?
02:35:42.980I think that the stronger we are in our place, we become much more aware and much more respectful of other people in their places.
02:35:56.040The other problem is, is that there are people that consistently try to explain religion in a broad sense with everyone.
02:36:03.900And they don't talk about nuanced things.
02:36:06.060Like you might hear people, especially here in America, say, oh, the Native American religion.
02:36:11.020And it's like, if you really looked at it, you know, it was so varied based on so many things. There was really no consistent Native American religion. It was so variable across two continents.
02:36:30.440And in reality, too, when you look at our faith from the Nordic to the Germanic to the Anglo-Saxon, and then you get into even the Celtic Gaulish people and the Slavs and the Hellenics, you can look at these kind of correlative things.
02:36:49.520I actually believe that our gods are the same gods as, say, the Slavs and of the Celts and of the Hellenics, but are filtered through a cultural lens that is so deep and intricate that it can feel like they're not.
02:37:07.640But we see that connection linguistically, genetically through migrations. And so sourcing back to that, I think, is conceptually possible. But outside of that, I don't think that it's worth really twisting the mind over about it.
02:37:31.620So again, the key factor would be to maintain the flow of the river in order to preserve the river.
02:37:39.960And if the river is worth preserving, which I believe it is, then you maintain the flow.
02:37:46.400If it's not so much an important thing, that might remind you to universalize the gods and say, oh, yes, all the people of Earth are really just the children of the All-Father.
02:38:00.580But again, on a surface level, that has its own problems. You go in and you tell another people that their traditions and their biological river that has flowed for forever, that we can conceptualize, is wrong and they should be worshiping our gods.
02:38:22.640And maybe only people have a problem with that because we're white.
02:38:50.540So I focus on what my land is and I move forward from there and do a better service to people who are not you and understanding them and respecting them rather than universalizing and saying our gods are the only true gods.
02:41:42.080I think fundamentally, we have a very basic and rudimentary understanding of right and wrong.
02:41:50.020I think that fundamentally, without philosophizing on it, we can understand, in a very basic sense, good things versus bad things, evil things versus good things.
02:42:08.000the world is way more complicated and in nuanced situations certainly we need some guidance
02:42:14.660but in basic terms I think that we understand a lot of those things
02:42:21.440when I say we don't mean other forms of earth fauna I mean us our people uniquely
02:42:32.260are okay so i talk about asking him being the first arian man and woman
02:42:40.080i don't say that to be aging because arian's racist you know arian is a word that is a
02:42:51.560self-describer that means the noble people and it applies like a shining like uh projective
02:43:00.640nobility. It's a high mark to set for ourselves that that be our defining characteristic.
02:43:13.780We know the difference between noble and ignoble. So is there objective morality? I think some of
02:43:25.240that comes from empathy, and I know that empathy in today's climate has in certain circles
02:43:30.620come to be a negative thing, and I don't mean that. But oftentimes we understand the effect
02:43:39.140our actions have on others and how we feel when bad things happen to us, and we apply
02:43:44.880those to how we treat other living things. The nobility of our nature is one of the gifts
02:43:51.560given by Odenville, they helps us to understand being above base animal survival instinct
02:45:08.260At a later stage, the Isir sent Heimdallur down to impart different levels and help our people advance at different times and to ennoble our folk to consecutive generations or stages of development of our people.
02:45:30.940And we saw that continuing to give more nobility, more regality, more bearing and presence and elevation of behavior to each of these groups of people.
02:45:50.440going from Thoreau all the way up to Cain
02:45:56.340to help fully ennoble and actualize our folk.
02:46:03.040That process refined our inherent understanding
02:47:56.980We are just servile to whoever wrote the instruction book.
02:48:00.900us that's not our path ours is one of making adult choices and adult decisions about life
02:48:08.420based on the best of the information we have available to us and then bearing up under the
02:48:13.540consequences of the decisions and choices that we make again emily your questions are awesome
02:48:22.100and i am giving you the most convoluted answers in the world i wish that i had crystal clear
02:48:28.780beautiful ones but i promise you the answers i'm giving you are the honest answers to the
02:48:34.940best of my understanding of my reckoning um it's fun do you have something to add to that
02:48:40.780uh yeah so just to reiterate we're speaking about objective versus subjective morality
02:48:48.620some interesting considerations one we've spoken about how our faith looks at order or law and
02:49:05.340that which is eternal versus chaos and disruption or consumption and that which is fluctuating
02:49:15.500And everything's kind of in a spectrum between there. So chaos and law in the universal sense are applying to the universe. I very much believe is objective.
02:49:34.460When you get into morality, what you find is there is, it can be very subjective on the surface, but when you look at it, what it really is based around is action.
02:49:52.100Action towards the world around you, the biological life around you, and your fellow humans.
02:50:00.500And what you end up finding is the determination of what is law and chaos is very different amongst people. You go to the Middle East and there's a different conceptualization of law and chaos in relation to morality than, say, amongst our people or amongst the Japanese.
02:50:20.480So when you get into an absolute finite moral truth, what you're ultimately doing is bringing the argument into the field of, say, humanity as a whole.
02:50:37.200And we are talking about maintaining moral correctness in orientation to law or order or cosmic eternal versus not going into chaos and dissipation.
02:50:58.420The idea is that you do not fall into the pathway of chaos and you try to look forward and upwards always into the cosmic order of things.
02:51:10.300Now, there are things that fall in between and are not necessarily allocated to be simply evil.
02:51:17.340The problem I think that arises for a lot of people is that their religions source back to Zoroastrianism and the dualism between simply good and evil.
02:51:31.300And there's a reason why. It's because those religions are internal.
02:51:37.200The point of it is, is it doesn't matter about everything. It matters about what you do.
02:51:44.380And this is not a bad thing. I understand the value in this. You wake up every day to choose good or evil. That is a very strong motivator.
02:51:55.660But in frames, that which is good and lawful and keeping order for your folk, your family, immediately scrubs those things and the decision making of those things.
02:52:15.120And we see, I see dualistic religions battle with this all the time. I mean, we know if you defend your home from an attacker and you slay them, there's no, you know, I don't think there's any moral compunction in there in a good versus evil.
02:52:35.100You did good. You kept order. You kept the cosmic right of things. But again, some people can test
02:52:43.760for that. Many of the people I was in the military with came home and were really battling with the
02:52:50.900concept of taking another human's life, releasing their soul, if you will. I don't think that
02:52:59.620Ausatru works that way. I think that Ausatru works in the objective morality of order and chaos.
02:53:08.900When we get into, say, that which is good or that which is bad, you can look at any religion
02:53:15.840and its evolution through time and see that it is very subjective. The moment that the Christians
02:53:26.800in alexandria who were uh ethnically jewish uh by genetics but they were christians and they
02:53:33.440rip apart hippo uh hippolyta and shred her um there's like two camps to that one uh she deserved
02:53:43.040it because i don't know god's will or something and then the other is oh those guys aren't
02:53:47.520christians those aren't real christians so you start to get even more subjective as it goes on
02:53:54.640So I say that our people, through proper guidance, through our gods as both examples and interacting with us, as well as that which we create, the nation, the folk, the church, that is to be built, should be built, can fall away from.
02:54:22.880Our nations, you know, again, that's subjective. But the point is, is that they should be
02:54:28.600going forward and upward towards that which is orderly and cosmic, that which is bigger and
02:54:37.860everlasting and moving away from those cyclical nature. So whenever anybody, especially people
02:54:44.060that might be of a Christian background, when they ask this, I know that it's coming from a
02:54:49.860good place. That's what they want. They want an answer towards that which is cosmic and everlasting.
02:54:57.760The only issue is that morality based simply on good and evil versus order and chaos
02:55:07.420immediately starts to fall into a very subjective matter based on the actions of people.
02:55:15.060And the reason why, say, Abrahamic faiths want to create this argument is because their entire religion is built off a choice.
02:55:25.620Do you want to take up covenant with Yahweh or Allah or Elohim and ascend and be forgiven or be alleviated of the guilt that you have?
02:55:39.040or burn or be in a stasis place, et cetera.
02:55:46.340So it all kind of comes down to this choice thing
02:56:05.080it immediately becomes objective in relation between chaos and order. And so the only way that
02:56:16.020that becomes subjective is if the person says, oh, well, no, no, no, I'm talking about morals,
02:56:21.040like about people. And then it's like switching track. It's going on to a different train that
02:56:28.960is very subjective. So morality and the way that the gods interact with the world
02:56:38.420is based on an objective morality. Humanity, and again, based on actions and time frame,
02:56:48.540can be very subjective. And I think that that's something that we should
02:56:54.060be cognizant of when we have these conversations it's just the framework i'm not saying that it
02:57:03.040isn't good to strive for the synthesis of good and order um but there is a sense of
02:57:12.980one perhaps being very subjective like waves to a boat that is eternal or something of that nature
02:57:21.520or that's actually kind of not the best way to look at it, but it's, it's the track to the train.
02:57:28.000And, um, the, the idea that we kind of drag the argument into one camp, I think is motivated by
02:57:39.400theological desire, ultimately boiling down to that single question versus in our faith,
02:57:47.960The maintenance of order is the objective morality, but the way we go about perhaps perceiving that might be subjective amongst humans, amongst the folk, but amongst the gods, it isn't.
02:58:05.640All of that reflection of them when they're euhemorized, when they're made humanistic, is to show that variable, to show that subjectivity.
02:58:18.460And then beyond that, I think that God's function in their true form, beyond the titles of the furious one or the fruitful one or the strong one or the thunderous one,
02:58:30.880Or as you go beyond these titles, I do believe that they are acting objectively, moral, in the greater understanding of everything that's going on.
02:59:29.540gamer iffy. Matt, how are you? I'm doing all right. I am happy to be doing this a little
02:59:37.560bit earlier today. Yeah, so I'm doing pretty good. So, Speckinger Spawn, can you talk about
02:59:51.800your passion for the lore and its beauty and complexity? Can you talk about that briefly,
02:59:59.120song and i added the brief part no i cannot talk no i can't talk briefly no that's the honest answer
03:00:05.440um will you please attempt to talk about it briefly yes i'll just say this much i think um
03:00:12.880i grew up distant from my from iceland and i remember when i was very young my mother uh
03:00:22.960was trying to teach me uh we had like the illustrated bible and we had all the stories
03:00:28.720about the gods and then we got to some part in the bible about daughters trying to like
03:00:35.680inebriate their father and it got wild i don't want to i don't want this video to get kicked
03:00:41.520from youtube um but my mother put it down and was like yeah no more of that so we went on uh
03:00:51.360with the stories of the gods and we also went on with um you know the mythos of other lands
03:01:00.160and i became enamored with storytelling and so one of the key factors of being a storyteller
03:01:07.680is having to memorize because you don't want to read from something while you're telling a story
03:01:14.000You've got to really kind of integrate your mind and your body to the words.
03:01:19.840And that, I think, is the key source as to where my love and my attempts to excite people when we talk about the gods, when we talk about what good they can do for us in our life, why the relationship between us is important.
03:01:39.240it that all comes and from storytelling and strangely enough i um i remember in high school
03:01:48.100i did a diversity kind of project that it was foisted on me from social studies but
03:01:55.780and i'm not complaining but i ended up getting a chance to um i had to learn from another culture
03:02:03.220that wasn't my own and i ended up finding a native american dance and storytelling troupe
03:02:08.460And I learned, like, I learned a Lakota horse-stealing song, and I learned some stories from the Seneca, which are part of the Five Nations up in the New York area, and I learned from their storytellers.
03:02:26.300Did you learn a Nubian bike-stealing song?
03:02:34.060No, I'm sure that's out on some popular record.
03:02:38.460No, no. And it was very interesting to their take on relations between people, especially the East Coast Native Americans, where they had their very strong opinions.
03:02:53.260And it's not so much, I would say, the typical opinion that people might think Native Americans have.
03:02:59.360It might be different out west, but on the east coast, they were very, very clear about where they stood in relation to other people, and they were free to do that.
03:03:12.520It was shocking to me at the time because I wasn't wrestling with ethnicity and race as a kid, but they were very, very clear about where they stood.
03:03:21.860And the fact that they allowed me in to learn from them kind of says something about their orientations.
03:03:30.480But it was kind of one of the first times I got to see folkishness in a group.
03:03:39.740And it shaped, not completely, I still battled with concepts for a very long time.
03:03:48.180But the storytelling aspect, making the poems and the stories visceral, is where a lot of that comes from.
03:04:54.640keeping it wheeled spawn go for it absolutely uh first off
03:05:01.380uh the title jotnar and what that implies in in the spectrum of good or of good order cosmic order
03:05:11.840and bad, you know, evil chaos. I think it's pretty safe to say that there was some misconceptions
03:05:21.100by Snorri's time. And a lot of times don't, it's not of the Aesir, you know, Yotnar,
03:05:33.820and that's not necessarily bad, but it was just, again, we see the worship of, say,
03:05:40.540Nerthus in Tacitus' Germania. And then we have the kind of Jotnar placement of Yard.
03:05:51.420And that's why I have in the classification placed Yard as an Austvinir, particularly because she
03:06:02.060gives birth to Aesir, and that brings me to the example of willfulness. There is a Austvenyr who
03:06:12.860is often kind of looked over, and it is because of her good graces that help Lord Thor fight
03:06:24.520against the forces of chaos. So we see this where the Jotnar, there are levels, some of them
03:06:32.880in the Utgard, some of them in the deep and entrenched sense, will not leave and will hold
03:06:39.980the death of Ymir against the gods in a consistent sense. Obviously, there are the Jotnar that Lord
03:06:48.880Rothen descends from. So we're not talking about like different people. Um, but GrÃðr. GrÃðr is
03:06:59.740a perfect example. She's mentioned as, uh, riding a wolf. So now we're getting into kind of
03:07:07.860just, uh, bad guy territory as far as, as the stories go. Um, her name has been utilized as
03:07:17.580a kenning for wolves and for axes. But GrÃðr is an Austvenyr that is deeply connected to the earth,
03:07:27.400as there are multiple facets of the earth, just like there's multiple facets of the heavenly
03:07:31.960realm. And her name means contentiousness and conflict. And she helps Lord Thor when he doesn't
03:07:42.840have his hammer. She gives him the iron rod. I did it in the mural to show. Sometimes it's
03:07:53.400translated as a staff, other times as a baton or a club. So she gives him the iron rod that he
03:08:02.400then places underneath the earth to look like a mound. And that I think is very interesting. And
03:08:10.540And then as Getrov and all of the Jotunar who are looking for Thor without his hammer pass by, and then he's able to slay them with that.
03:08:26.940So I think that's one of the first times.
03:08:31.200And then later, she ends up birthing one of our holy house.
03:08:38.440And I think that that really does make that connective point, that a Jotun becomes Austvenir when they transcend certain things, whether it's through marriage, childbirth.
03:08:55.160Aid is different. I mean, obviously we have Eir and Raun, and they are kept in check through oath binding.
03:09:05.660But again, the cauldron at the center of the ocean, the primordial place in Midgard that needs to be kept in check, it is the center.
03:09:16.940There are things in the ocean that extend all the way back to the time of Ymir.
03:09:23.080so the gods specifically pressed and locked that plane of existence on our world
03:09:33.560through oath binding not necessarily that just ayer and raun are being beneficial um but then this
03:09:41.960you know from them to fully beneficial whether it's uh obviously uh grither is fully beneficial
03:09:50.520So Skavi came to the gods from the middle realm seeking revenge, but was turned in understanding of the eternal nature.
03:10:04.000When she saw her father's eyes take crest in the heavens, that is the demonstration that the gods are making to her about how they keep eternal order and that the chthonic and the chaotic that is up and down and constantly kind of pulling sideways.
03:10:27.120There's never a chance of this kind of stability.
03:10:33.180That's when she knew, and she joined the gods.
03:17:09.340there is not a political test to be part of the afa
03:17:13.660and there is certainly not a political test to be in the chat room of this show
03:17:18.140the keeping it a buck as the kids would say answer is a little bit more detailed
03:17:27.440as far as people in the audience of this chat literally and i mean this this isn't just saying
03:17:35.700something nice to be pc i mean this anybody is welcoming the chat that's going to be respectful
03:17:41.920whatever their questions might have are going to be strange and different and something that maybe
03:17:47.340the rest of us who share a common worldview wouldn't think of and i think those are awesome
03:17:53.020and it enhances the program and i would genuinely welcome anybody to be in our chat as long as they
03:17:58.860are respectful and not disruptive as far as being a member of the afa
03:18:07.740i realize that the modern political dichotomy of left and right is imprecise
03:18:17.340Certainly, members of the AFA tend to be more right-leaning in the traditional understanding of what that means.
03:18:27.420If you lean more left on certain things, it doesn't necessarily disqualify you, but I think it does make your situation harder, and I think you'll be in the minority on a lot of things.
03:18:45.040I wouldn't say I wouldn't let that stop you but I mean know that
03:18:53.080our political stances are shaped by our worldview and by our religious stances
03:19:01.060and those tend to skew more right but you are absolutely welcome again there's so much nuance
03:19:10.300it's hard to say what that is if your particular brand of leftism runs afoul of core principles
03:19:17.740then no but if you can agree with all of our core principles and still find yourself
03:19:23.980politically to the left to some degree you're welcome to work that out through membership
03:19:30.000with us and again you're going to have an uphill battle with some discussions i'm sure amongst
03:19:38.780folks but again i and i really do mean that yeah your core values have to fit a more traditionalist
03:19:46.220worldview than i typically associate with leftists but there's not a political requirement
03:19:55.020in the austral folk assembly and you do have a variety of political stances
03:20:02.140forgive the abrahamic illusion but the devil's in the details on that
03:20:05.900i was going to say we kind of have a tendency to fit the third position between and again it
03:20:16.020depends on governance versus uh say whole wholeness of the people you know it's like
03:20:24.060what that means i'm sure it means different things to different people and if you were a 1990s
03:20:30.140democrat been probably just fine in a lot of places there's a lot of stuff so it really does
03:20:37.460matter and again the core values that affect that are going to be the thing that makes the difference
03:20:42.860um matt do you think there is there could be a second hop in southern california we don't have
03:20:48.340the first hop in southern california but i assume you're wondering if there could be more than one
03:20:52.120in california second part is or is it just one per state no at the end of the day i would love
03:20:58.080as many hops as possible realistically with five hops in the whole world more than one
03:21:05.440half in a state would take some convincing but california is one of those states that's very
03:21:12.880very wrong um i would say that the distance between a half between odin's off and like a
03:21:20.560los angeles or a san diego based off is probably as far away as gray's off and thor's off or as
03:21:30.400thor's off and york's off so i would absolutely consider a southern california some things need
03:21:37.600to be met there though we have historically had problems in southern california we need people
03:21:43.520to step up to be a full builder there to gather people together and meet regularly with other afa
03:21:50.080members and eventually to become a gophe or a githia we need that solid foundation in place
03:21:57.360for that to be a viable option but that could absolutely happen and i would love to see that
03:22:04.400happen i know we have a guy that's a good friend of mine in las vegas that's politicking for a
03:22:10.720vegas hof that would be awesome we got people who'd love to have an arizona hof but getting
03:22:16.320off closer to southern california is very doable it would just take some consistency and some
03:22:22.800steady moving forward if you'd like to be part of that process please let us know and we'd love to
03:22:27.840have your help to get there before we go on to the next one as a producer we have to have a behind
03:22:33.680the scenes sneak peek all right if it fits it sits behind the scenes they fits therefore they
03:22:43.200sits he barely he barely fits because he's getting fat ah so there you go that is in fact behind the
03:22:51.660scenes our next uh-oh uh-oh here he comes here he comes hello you are obese um ah look at the
03:23:01.000obesity get that out of here yeah why does the chunky one sit in the smaller box there you go
03:23:06.320you'll have more box options if you decrease the obese um so uh this is this is the one that's
03:23:15.400coming up that's and please don't take my answer to this to be flippant i don't intend it that way
03:23:22.940um from sherwood i often find myself falling back on neoplatonism as a tentative guide to
03:23:30.440help traverse the metaphysics of our lord do you ever think there will be a codified germanic
03:30:19.600They created, I carry their breath in my lungs.
03:30:25.520but really it you know this god represents uh general consciousness
03:30:34.560uh i see connectivity i think that there is promise in looking at neoplatonism
03:30:45.040kind of like a road map it's not driving the road it's not experiencing the places on the sides of
03:30:52.800the road but it is a map that you can explore ideas as you build a relationship with the gods
03:31:01.840if that makes sense it's it's you are becoming intimate with the road you're becoming intimate
03:31:06.960with the country that you're traveling in as you travel but the road map there gives you
03:31:13.040precepts and ideas that you might want to focus on or look at um i think that on a positive sense
03:31:21.440the introduction of um the non-willful was really important especially back then
03:31:30.980because it was a bridging gap between pagans and christians in the time of the mediterranean
03:31:37.520and a lot of christians don't ever want to talk about this because rabbi yeshua is just
03:31:43.320turbo awesome but if you look at uh was it augustus the or is it augustus the apostate
03:31:52.060or justinian the apostate and his conversion julian it gets a little like a card shuffle there
03:32:02.420uh where he uh he goes back to the faith of his ancestors in the mediterranean area and they
03:32:11.980Really don't like that kind of talk. What you end up getting is this whole time frame is this big battle. I mentioned her earlier, Hippolyta and her father and their connections to Neoplatonism.
03:32:28.700So this was a time apparently the Christians in Alexandria were just not vibing very well with Neoplatonism.
03:32:36.520And I guess it's because it hadn't affected their form of Christianity by that time.
03:32:41.480But then, you know, you look at Neoplatonism now in relation to Christianity, and a lot of Christians are like, yeah, it's freaking, it's cool.
03:32:49.920And, you know, or worse, oh, yeah, the pagans would have never had these ideas if we hadn't, I don't know, Christian them in some way, shape or form by proximity, which is ridiculous.
03:33:06.040But it did create some points that are clearly preexistent in our religion. One of them, of course, being that there are divine powers or divine emanations that don't have willful intent.
03:33:26.400It's not that, you know, I'm jealous because you were created or you got to worship me all the time.
03:33:31.740No, it's emanation. It is part of the system and it's continually giving out without kind of concepts of good or evil, but just giving out.
03:33:47.520And I think that that's really good because that does underlie some of the foundational works when we look at the tripartite of Muspelheim, Niflheim, and Gnungagap, or when you look at Adunla and Emir and Yggdrasil.
03:34:06.620these points are we you know some of them are willful some of them are not and i think that
03:34:13.720that's a cool precept that some people get but if i was to talk personally it kind of is almost
03:34:22.880akin to philosophically turning the gods into archetypes and that will not get a positive result
03:34:32.460out of people who have had tangible relationships with the with the gods so
03:34:40.700then you start end up kind of stepping on on on those toes and uh that's why i think generally
03:34:49.540that the responses you will get can be varied and sometimes cold about it uh our folk especially
03:34:59.680those of the gothar and of the church in in leadership have had personal experiences
03:35:07.060personal relationship to diminish but if it's done in a sense of let's look at all considerations of
03:35:17.180things um aspects um linguistics like treating it just like linguistics sure there are many
03:35:26.400interesting things to talk about but at the end of the day we circle back around to these are the
03:35:32.420gods of my people these are the gods of my family these are the gods of me and their their actions
03:35:40.260are interconnected to me and the lines of my people and they they don't want to see me pontificate
03:35:47.380about archetypes they want me to act they want me to be a hero they want me to create
03:35:53.920weird, to create fate or law and to build and, and go forward and conquer the next mountain and
03:36:04.740cross the next sea. Once you start getting into that, it, I don't know. I think it doesn't
03:36:11.340dissolve away. It just kind of, some folks just end up moving past it. There is a video and I was
03:36:17.280trying to look it up for anyone who might be interested in and this is lightly addressed is
03:36:23.920um the foundations of folkishness um is a really good video on youtube
03:36:33.580that i think encapsulates what i've been trying to say in the minutes and it does it in a few
03:36:40.760seconds great video um and i'm trying to see i can't for some strange reason i can't see the uh
03:36:52.600the original poster i think it's at xqfonte
03:37:01.960but yeah a found foundations of folkishness check it out i think it covers some of that as well
03:37:36.240did i lose audio can you hear me oh wow was i was i muted this whole time yeah i i even
03:37:48.680said like you're muted i didn't well that's terrible ah
03:37:54.360you look like you were having fun though
03:37:59.680working on my eastland school i said yeah but i so i ran it through google translate but i
03:38:17.280understood 50 of the sentence so i was happy about that spawn as a professional barber
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03:39:05.080wood spice just in general they also have the wood spice aftershave top tier it's masculine so
03:39:12.960it it hits with the idea that you know when guys smell it they're like holy crap i need to get some
03:39:19.520that and then at the same time every woman every every wife connected to any one of my clients was
03:39:25.440just it is really good it that would be number one leaps and bounds so how often do you use that
03:39:34.320like how often does one apply a beard balm well it depends on if you shower in the morning or at
03:39:39.680night um if you say you shower at night uh in the morning you want to kind of just douse your head
03:39:47.520with some warm water and maybe your beard then uh dry until it's lightly damp apply
03:39:56.000or sorry apply your beard foam first before you do any pomades you put your beard foam in
03:40:01.760and work it through and it might actually foam up a little bit and you want to kind of get it
03:40:06.960through comb it down or do any uh stretching if you have a beard comb uh it protects your hair
03:40:13.200from the heat of the beard comb if you do a blow dryer you can do that too i don't really do that
03:40:18.800i just use a round uh brush and i that trains it for me and then once i'm done pomade in the hair
03:40:28.400and ready to go to work there you have it um hi so it's fine we wanted dibs on this so behold i
03:40:39.760give you dibs uh a person in the chat i think we should honor emir yggdrasil and adamla as we do
03:40:51.440the other gods i feel they are regularly left out you have under that you want to answer it first
03:40:58.240so what would you want to say in regards to that okay one of the things i think the last sentence
03:41:05.440is a big teller. I feel that they are regularly left out. There is a deep, compassionate side to
03:41:13.780femininity. I don't even need to see that your name, the lady, Trejo Wirtha, the lady part. I
03:41:26.140don't need it. You have a compassionate soul and women are, the femininity of that is I don't want
03:41:31.940people to be left out. I want them to be included. And I want them to, you know, feel that
03:41:39.180connectivity. One of the interesting things, though, is to consider, I spoke about it with
03:41:46.740willfulness and cognizance in being willful. You know, we know about Yggdrasil being eaten
03:41:58.080at multiple angles and that the Nornir are watering the roots. So it's under assault
03:42:05.300at all times. And it doesn't seem to react. It doesn't seem to hold those indications as
03:42:14.260being bad or good. So willful, I would say absolutely receptive, but I don't know about
03:42:22.860willful. Um, I think that honoring something that is not willful is good in relation to, um,
03:42:33.600consideration. You are looking at big picture. You are trying to remind your folk, the gods that you
03:42:42.220hold certain things very sacred, and you are willing to give piety to the elements of that
03:42:51.320ecosystem i i don't think that's bad just don't virtue signal but don't do it just because you
03:42:57.720want to show off to the gods kind of thing but when we talk about emir emir as emir ends
03:43:06.920he is slain but we know nothing in the ecosystem of our cosmology ends lord balder doesn't end when
03:43:16.200he is slain but moves so when emir and his body is left the soul goes somewhere i believe that
03:43:27.560that is the creation of that serpent that holds the the uh malice to break the root of yggdrasil
03:43:38.680to stop the circulatory system of the cosmos so there is that just that drive and need obviously
03:43:47.080too um and most people like it's not said explicitly that um bor and bestla they're never
03:43:59.480mentioned again and there is no definitive sense that they are just simply gone but i do believe
03:44:07.480that when we talk about the divine beings that they do move in different senses we see this in
03:44:14.600other uh religious forms from arian branches so i'll just say like as an example uh gaia and and
03:44:22.600or uh chronos in the greek sense where there's a transition from when they are active to when they
03:44:31.080are not i don't think that they're inert i just think that they become something different
03:44:37.480So I think that Ymir or Nidagr are not necessarily of our place.
03:44:51.560And then with Adumla, Adumla is often overlooked for what she truly is, the feminine creative power that is, that sourced the Aesir.
03:45:05.960And I think that that's really powerful. Most people, when you read the stories might say, oh, well, when the flood of Ymir's blood came, she drowned. And I've even heard an extension of that where she drowned, but her spirit became, and her body became Vanaheim because of the connection to the natural world and to life and abundance in the ever giving sense.
03:45:32.660um and i i'm not uh disputing or or what have you but what i am saying is is that there's clear
03:45:40.760points in which they cease to be as they were and have moved into what they are except for one and
03:45:48.460that's yggdrasil yggdrasil remains until ragnarok but um if you go about it as giving honor
03:45:57.320uh and showing the folk your ancestors and the gods that you are thankful for something
03:46:05.120um truly thankful then honoring them in except for emir i mean except for maybe the shaping by
03:46:14.920the gods but it gets a little dicey there when you start going into adversarial forces but
03:46:20.960And you are thankful for these things, like being thankful for a wind in the sail, being thankful for calm sea, being thankful for stillness and peace and telling the gods that you're thankful for that.
03:46:37.720I don't see anything wrong with that at all.
03:46:41.080Just be careful when you get into the Ymir.
03:57:04.640or else you're being devoured by chaos imagery I think that's one of the core
03:57:09.560roots of the swastika as a symbol is it implies rotation everything in our
03:57:16.460cosmos we know rotates the earth rotates the galaxies rotate we rotate around the
03:57:24.080Sun movement is essential you have to be moving forward you have to be moving
03:57:28.880ahead or you're being pulled down and backwards so I think that order needs to
03:57:34.280be vigilantly maintained it isn't a it is a direction not a destination because i don't
03:57:42.740think you can sit on it and stay there and that's a big part of the theme of what we do
03:57:47.780swan do you have something to add to that i was going to say it's just very interesting to look
03:57:52.940at the etymology of the words and um words have meaning and their source and where they come from
03:58:01.040and words can have multiple meanings but when you go back to the indo-european it's per which means
03:58:09.040through and menace is connected to longevity so it's like once you go through a threshold
03:58:19.200you have to maintain it so it's a beckoning to action i think that's what permanence
03:58:24.560in this in the state of order is is a beckoning to action to consistently um maintain it and
03:58:35.740it falls when people fall to chaos when they no longer care when they no longer seek to move
03:58:43.360forward and to maintain uh it's kind of the whole you know like uh weak men cause hard times that's
03:58:52.440because what ends up happening is they stop. They stop either caring, paying attention, acting,
03:59:01.520doing. There's a stop. And once that forward motion is gone, things begin to dissolve.
03:59:10.340It's not so much, I think, a rat race or something where it's like, oh, I got to go to work. I got to
03:59:15.760No, no, no. It's just a consistent conquering of that which diffuses the world around you. And then as you act and do things, order builds up with you and things happen and you end up, you know, you've got a job, you've got a family, you've got responsibilities, but, and everyone kind of, oh, I don't, you know, that's, they almost initially think of that as just simply being negative.
03:59:44.780and that's that's not the case the connectivity and unity between multiple people doing that
03:59:53.020moving forward through that threshold is order that's that's part of it is it permanent
04:00:00.460as i was hearing what he said it's it's the passing through the threshold and the attempt
04:00:06.940to make it and maintain it the gods show this very well in the stories as well
04:00:12.220all right so matt could you give a show and tell for the cup you've been drinking from
04:00:18.620so it is a eagle stein it was gifted to me by
04:00:35.980really cool guy that i used to know that has drifted away and i'd love for him to find his
04:00:44.280way back uh former member named marco who was from massachusetts and at a winter nights
04:00:53.520he's gifted it to me and he said that i need an american stein and he gave me a
04:01:01.740it's subtly painted but it's red white and blue that's an eagle
04:01:06.560and uh i enjoy it and i was working my way through some
04:01:12.800straw gator which is a strawberry doppelbach
04:01:18.060it's a spoiler alert it's not very good but uh i was gonna work my way through it this evening
04:01:26.620And I don't know why, but I figured like I would bust out my American Stein for this.
04:01:34.840Swan, you got dibs on the next one from the Nordic Turtle.
04:01:41.040So they straight up dropped in terms like Arian.
04:01:45.320Does that not bother y'all or what's y'all's thoughts?
04:01:49.180If I'm being honest, it's setting me off, but I want to know your points of view.
04:01:56.620Okay. One, I think that's amazing that despite the emotional reaction that you might have,
04:02:04.860you want to know more, you want to kind of gain knowledge or understanding at least
04:02:11.260of perspective. And I think that that's something that is in short supply in this day and age. So
04:02:18.560kudos to you. I think also too, it would be good to question why is it getting an emotional response?
04:02:24.380But let's consider some things briefly. The usage of the word and where it comes from, the etymology. Words are really, really important and they come from somewhere. And it was certainly used before World War II.
04:02:39.520So if that's where the emotion is coming from, that might lend towards the conceptualization that you have been taught to have an emotional conception in that sense.
04:02:56.400But if you like, it would be like me getting enraged by proletariat or Bolshevik, just like, you know, they killed so many people.
04:03:05.780but um looking at things from there you go back now there's a lot of people that try to say oh
04:03:14.000it means the Iranians and they're that's true but not entirely and then we know in India that the
04:03:24.920Araya came in and that's what they were called they were it was specifically written down so we
04:03:31.540the araya in india and we have the iranians and the iranians um and generally people that don't
04:03:38.500want to kind of touch the spooky a word um they kind of correlated it's like oh no the iranians
04:03:46.260came into india and that's it but it doesn't explain the interconnectivity of the the word
04:03:55.620in all proto-indo-european descended languages from uh a rio in the greek hellenic which we get
04:04:06.020like aristocrat from um or uh uh the like in the gaulish sense with ire uh with ireland um or era
04:04:18.980amongst the germans or in the nordic lands too also era meaning uh noble or honorable specifically
04:04:27.460honorable there is kind of a shift there the biggest thing was was that in india and in europe
04:04:33.140they stopped utilizing that word as a designation of identity in iran they didn't they made that
04:04:42.420word, a huge part. And I think that's because they ran into one of the biggest kingdoms,
04:04:49.740a Semitic kingdom, the Sumerians and Babylonians. And those were extremely established right south
04:04:58.920of them. So the designation of that identity was very, very important. But in India, there was a
04:05:06.720slow integration and in europe there was so many varied groups that the word basically fell into
04:05:14.880the lexicon of every language meaning the same thing but not always necessarily a title um
04:05:22.920except for like again in aristocrat but uh like there there is a branch of christianity
04:05:31.780that rivaled Catholicism at one time called the Aryan Church,
04:05:37.280which was based off of the teachings of Arius in Egypt.
04:05:43.400But his name sources back to the actual meaning.
04:05:49.520So when we look at the word, some people want us to change the spelling,
04:30:09.480like spawn said learn icelandic facts if you can't speak icelandic you can read old norse
04:30:20.040and make sense of it will you speak everything with the perfect enunciation maybe maybe not
04:30:29.320again a lot of that speculative because we have no native old norse speaker but icelandic
04:30:36.680is closer to old norse as modern english is to you know edwardian or elizabethan english
04:30:45.960so like you can read shakespeare and it's original and make sense of it
04:30:50.280as a modern english speaker the same is certainly true of old norse in icelandic
04:30:57.160you could absolutely travel back in time and talk to vikings in modern icelandic
04:31:04.920and you would understand what they're saying and they would mostly understand what you're saying
04:31:11.160that's that works and that gets you 95 of the way there and you can work on the rest of it
04:31:19.800again i'm not an expert i am struggling so bad i have struggled with this the entire time i've
04:31:25.720been out so true and i've given up many times before i've been steadily learning now for a
04:31:31.320couple of years i'm getting closer all the time it is not easy for me it's way easier from other
04:31:39.320people but i'm getting better and what i would say is spawn suggestion about children's books
04:31:45.960and children's videos on youtube and children's stuff if you're an icelandic baby how do you learn
04:31:52.520icelandic you listen to your parents talk and then you go through preschool and kindergarten
04:31:58.360learning Icelandic stuff that's legit I would also say what is really cool to do
04:32:06.780the website that's fun and I use and read from the lowest.org has got like
04:32:13.120dual facing translation so it's got the original Old Norse and in translation on
04:32:19.300go through and read stuff in Old Norse there and compare it to the English on
04:32:25.520the other side and get used to that. I try to do that a little bit every day myself to get
04:32:31.980comfortable with it, and I'm surprised how much familiarity I get out of it. Again, I've got a
04:32:38.240long way to go, but I'm a lot closer than when I started. What is your guys' view on FIMCV?
04:32:48.780i see it as compatible but what's your guys take every couple years somebody comes up with a new
04:32:56.760word to do the same thing and rebrand it and start back at new one that is my take on that
04:33:04.360that's my take on the sedians and foreign savior and
04:33:09.420organism and wokenism and whatever other thing you want to call this that we do
04:33:16.260If you are worshiping the Iser, call what you do Ausatru and join the Ausatru Folk Assembly.
04:33:25.780Everything else is just a waste of energy.
04:33:30.580If everyone who's trying to do this are all going their own special snowflake, unique little way,
04:33:37.700we are irrelevant and we do not move forward.
04:33:41.300The time that we have seen forward progress in the modern resurrection of our faith, whatever you call it, is under the name Alcetree and largely and almost exclusively in the last 20 years with the Alcetree Folk Assembly.
04:37:12.620it's fine do you have thoughts um the question uh can we reiterate the question just real fast
04:37:22.260it was i was typing um kind of got lost oh the foreign c to the anglo-saxons um
04:37:33.100yeah i i think one of the things that you really kind of hit me with that was like an axe cut was
04:37:42.620And everyone tries to tear things down to year zero. And that no truer statement has ever been uttered than that. I don't know the reasoning. I could be pessimistic and say it's all because certain people want to be in control or it's interpretation or what have you.
04:38:03.700But there is a, there is order, but we are flexible that I think people that are loyal to the ICER should just be ousted through.
04:38:20.520It is a good word, but people say, oh, no, I don't want to do that because it's linguistically this or it's religiously that.
04:38:29.140And it gets kind of ridiculous. And you have motion going forward. There are temples being built. Our religion is being finally recognized and moving into real world, not backyard barbecue religion with your boys, with your friends.
04:38:54.800um i think that people that do this if they have some allegiance like i'm british so i only want
04:39:03.720to do english style or whatever i think that's again that's finiting it down and what good does
04:39:11.560that ultimately do in the end it doesn't carry a lot of weight when in reality if we're speaking
04:39:19.040english right now and we know that old norse was the last bastion of our religion and its practice
04:39:26.500outside of being molested by any other foreign ideals then we should look at that look at today
04:39:36.260and move forward um getting away from pagan in as fun as fun says don't like don't let foreigners
04:39:44.260molest you so um no and i want to address this quick because it came up and nick i appreciate
04:39:52.180you highlighting it to make sure we didn't um personal ask the question says i'm not tearing
04:39:58.180things down i'm more saying you see a difference in the two traditions i'm full on board house
04:40:03.540the truth so keep in mind and this is for you and everybody else asking questions
04:40:09.380We are answering for the person who asked, but also for all the others that are listening that didn't ask.
04:40:17.300So sometimes if we veer away from the original intent, that's why, to get back to what you were asking, no, it's the same thing.
04:40:26.580The English worshipped the same gods in virtually the same way, in all of the meaningful ways that counted to the Norse practice.
04:42:06.140But I'm trying to harken back to what we have in common, which is the Old Norse source material, which is the vast majority of our sources.
04:42:15.320Even Dr. Paulington mentioned in The Elder Gods, there's very little of that primary source written in Anglo-Saxon English.
04:42:24.540So he's still in that book relying very heavily on the Old Norse's language.
04:53:46.540So the 1240s, I think, is when the battle with the Mongols was a thing.
04:53:57.400And, you know, when we look at it, it's not so much a religious connection to our faith about it,
04:54:05.180But again, Europe or the land of the folk, the Folkland was being attacked and, you know, we banded together.
04:54:15.680But this was kind of like the formation of what I would say most importantly is Christianity being a political organization was beneficial in the sense that they organized monetarily.
04:54:32.220But knighthood was a huge thing there. And knighthood is clearly not born of Christianity. It's Germanic and European warrior culture that was kind of brought under yoke of the Christian kind of economic tax and money movement that happened throughout Europe.
04:54:59.360so the money part and the logistics part really helped out but it was the germanic and and uh
04:55:05.680ultimate or european warrior culture that predated christianity because again it wasn't coming from
04:55:12.400people like saul of tarsus and all of those guys that brought christianity in um it wasn't until
04:55:19.760you know charlemagne and even then it was it was questionable because the tribal sense um was
04:55:29.360very hard for him to try to unite everyone based on oaths and based on laying those groundworks for
04:55:37.440for um what knighthood would eventually become it was there but again they clearly saw this
04:55:46.240as like a foreign thing this was uh just something that was knee-jerk like rejected immediately
04:55:53.760after the long and eroding sense of of getting everyone under the the yoke of of christianity as
04:56:03.400a economic power it was there that the germanic knighthood and oath-bound warrior system was
04:56:12.080really refined uh and i think that really helped against the mongols um but i just didn't know if
04:56:19.860meant mongols or the huns because the huns was more during the time that our ancestors were
04:56:26.020not really dealing with christianity except for like the goths with the arian christians who
04:56:31.940were coming in and trying to convert them at the same time that the huns were attacking so um yeah
04:56:40.100but uh spooler s-p-u-l-e-r history of the mongols so i don't but the second part of the question
04:56:54.980kind of looking for papers about germans or ancient like ancient battles in general
04:57:04.660with germanics one thing that i thought was really cool that talks about the interactions between
04:57:13.700various iterations of the roman empire and germanics which i think is really interesting
04:57:19.300is uh the roman and the two time by professor charles kingsley it's a like written down series
04:57:30.180of lectures but i thought it was really cool it's kind of hard to come by i posted a link over in
04:57:35.460the side um it's from um the late 1800s and i think it's really really interesting it was one
04:57:45.940i thought was really fascinating and it talks about a lot of stuff that you don't encounter
04:57:50.580other places so i just throw that out as a recommendation but it's certainly not a direct
04:57:55.700answer to your question thank you everybody tonight has been awesome we have had amazing
04:58:01.700questions i think we made it through a lot of good pieces of uh the lord tonight um
04:58:09.460still have some more to go i know we are taking shoot we've been on this for six months now
04:58:17.940that's okay i think that this is a piece that we look forward to and like i said
04:58:22.420if this was all we had to stand on was the guilt beginning this would we would be in good stead
04:58:29.700so i think this is a really important piece it is uh seminal to all that we do now that we practice
04:58:37.380house true so i'm glad we're taking our time with it thank you all for being here spawn thank you so
04:58:42.820much for being my co-host once again uh thank you nick for producing next week i am still figuring
04:58:51.940out what we're doing next week uh the host who is going to join me is not going to be able to
04:58:57.700so i'm kind of prior commitment came up so i'm figuring out what that's going to look like but
04:59:03.140i'll have something good i'll i'll have something for you next week hopefully it'll be something
04:59:07.620good for you i'll be here regardless talk to you um until then i held the ice here remember victory