Asatru Folk Assembly - 6⧸4⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 152 - Völsunga Saga, Part VI

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00:03:00.000 Hello, and welcome to this week's edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:11.880 Tonight, Svahn and myself will take you on part six of our series on the Volsunga Saga.

00:03:24.080 We will see how far we make it tonight.

00:03:27.060 I would like for us to finish tonight. I think it's doable, but I think it's a little bit ambitious,

00:03:33.800 so we will see. Top of the show stuff, as always, this show is...

00:03:44.760 So this show tonight is topical about kind of a study all the way through, but every show,

00:03:52.800 and the basic concept of Victory Never Sleeps is it's a question-based program.

00:03:57.640 So everybody feel free to ask any questions that you might have,

00:04:02.400 and Svon and or myself would be happy to answer those to the best of our knowing.

00:04:09.880 Some of you already do this, but just in case,

00:04:13.080 if you ever have a question throughout the week that you would like on the program,

00:04:17.140 email us at vns at runestone.org,

00:04:22.100 and we will get to it on our next broadcast.

00:04:25.380 Matter of fact, we have a question from last week's that we will get on today.

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00:04:46.560 and we'll go ahead and get to those first after I'm done with my top of the show

00:04:50.340 kind of announcements things.

00:04:51.580 But first, G.W. Farnsworth, as always, started us off with a $30 donation.

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00:05:06.980 Every week we start to show off with a much appreciated donation from him.

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00:05:17.940 Okay. Well, so also, while I've got you guys, we're coming up quick this month. We have Midsummer at Odenshof. This is likely to be the biggest event of the year. We're celebrating the 30th anniversary of the Astro Folk Assembly. So please join us if you are able. It's June the 27th through the 29th at Odenshof in Brownsville, California. We'd love to see you guys there.

00:05:45.240 It's already shaping up to be a big event.

00:05:50.100 We would love to show you Odenshoff.

00:05:53.980 We have had it for nine years this midsummer.

00:05:59.800 Almost this fall, it's going to come up on 10 years that we've had that hoff.

00:06:03.680 So we're very proud of it and would love to share that with everyone.

00:06:08.280 The following month in July, we have Sigur Bloat at Sigurheim.

00:06:12.220 that's in Jackson County, Tennessee. We are excited to have you guys there. Both Svaun and

00:06:20.180 myself will be there for that one. And we would love to meet you and see you there.

00:06:26.000 As I mentioned, that's in Jackson County, Tennessee. And yeah, it's a really beautiful

00:06:33.440 and very special property it is currently the home to the statue of our founder steve mcnalen

00:06:43.040 and his wife githya sheila mcnalen it is going to be the home

00:06:50.160 it's going to be the home of the afa's capital it's going to also house tiershoff so a lot of

00:06:58.400 very exciting plans for a very very special location so if you can check that out please do

00:07:07.840 and the following month in August we have Freyfaxi at Baldershof

00:07:13.600 August 22nd through the 24th if you can make it that's in Murdoch Minnesota we'd love to see you

00:07:20.000 guys there I'm planning to be at all three of these events I'd love to meet anyone who would

00:07:24.560 like to come check it out i'd also love to see members that maybe you haven't seen in a while

00:07:31.120 they will all three be amazing events and i would love to see you at each or all of them so reach

00:07:36.800 out to your local folk builder if you can like we'd love to see you there we've got some really

00:07:40.960 exciting things in store um and i think that is good to start us off uh we do have a couple of

00:07:51.440 a couple of few questions to get to before we start here anonymous bought us a coffee and that's a

00:08:04.000 five dollar donation yes we appreciate that thank you anon and as well he or she says hello i've

00:08:15.360 heard people talk about Tyric versus Odenic styles of leadership. Does this distinction

00:08:23.760 informs the way you approach leadership and more broadly, what is the relationship between the two?

00:08:30.320 Swan, do you have thoughts on this? Yeah, I actually think this is going to

00:08:34.560 become a prevalent subject as Tiershoff is on the horizon and it being the capital

00:08:42.960 of our church the astro folk assembly there is going to be a lot of questions when it be

00:08:49.760 when it comes down to um this kind of misnomer that a lot of people have that uh that is

00:09:01.040 uh or was of the height of of the the totality of the gods and somehow moved and then lord

00:09:09.120 odin came in and then i've heard even the more preposterous is that lord odin was um an actual

00:09:16.240 human uh you uh brought in um like turkish wizard and all just like crazy stuff on the internet and

00:09:25.760 it's there's not a lot of stuff to go back on but you know when we look at santa claus that was the

00:09:32.640 turkish wizard i again i apparently it all leads back to turkish wizards i don't

00:09:41.040 no i i don't know um and again when you go to look back at it it's hard to find where these uh

00:09:50.160 things are being introduced from sometimes they're from just blurbs or essays um attempts by students

00:10:00.320 during a project to conceive a different idea and then someone takes it brings it to the internet

00:10:08.320 and touts it as truth but i mean if we look back all the way to uh tacitus and germania um

00:10:18.560 his treaties speaks about one thing that's very significant it's the tripartite and

00:10:27.440 that's the only word i can think of as far as in relation to this but those of you playing at home

00:10:35.120 i don't have my wine ready or else i would would take a sip oh are you guys doing that

00:10:42.080 oh i've got y'all are about to hear a lot of it no um don't make a drinking game out of it

00:10:50.800 no i um the the trinity that is so intrinsic to arian religion um so much so that it influenced

00:11:02.160 christianity um the in tacitus's treaties he said that there were three major gods that the germans

00:11:13.920 you know as and that's a very loose term um the alamani uh prayed to and so the general idea of

00:11:24.080 it is understanding that they didn't look at it from left to right like most important and then

00:11:30.720 the list goes on no instead the most important is centered so you have they have tus deus teos

00:11:41.520 and you have um well he said mercury in the center and we know that as uh lord odin because

00:11:49.520 of wednesday the the the comparison of this and understanding it is that in the days of our week

00:11:55.360 the trinity the tripartite still holds true in the days of our week so clearly

00:12:05.360 Tyr, Lord Odin, and Lord Thor.

00:12:10.540 And it throws a lot of people off.

00:12:12.360 I've seen a lot of more scholarly or attempting to be scholarly groups trying to discount Lord Tyr completely.

00:12:24.080 And I think that's very wrong.

00:12:26.220 I've also heard them say that Lord Tyr doesn't even have a heavenly aspect, a sky aspect, which is also wrong.

00:12:36.420 The name in and of itself denotes the shining sky.

00:12:41.440 But also, too, the Anglo-Saxon rune poem speaks about Lord Tyr as being the North Star.

00:12:47.700 And this was the final piece that fit in my theological theory of each of the Trinity having their own specific mode, if you will, of stasis, dynamicism, and catalysm.

00:13:07.960 And it was a huge point in that, I think, for myself, bringing to the Gotthar of our church in order to teach.

00:13:19.700 So this is going to be a bigger subject as we go forward.

00:13:23.000 And I want to be very clear about this.

00:13:26.920 So Lord Odin is the Lord of the gods.

00:13:31.060 And when he calls counsel, the gods gather.

00:13:35.820 That's very, very important.

00:13:37.960 But the leadership style, like you're saying or asking about, is noticeable.

00:13:44.160 One of the factors of this is that it was a, if the stories are you hemorrizing the gods or if the stories are reflecting Nordic conceptualization of leadership, then what that really shows is that he is a leader and therefore kind of reversing back, kind of saying to the court that they should be leaders like this.

00:14:14.160 is that they are leaders and the distinction of their word is final, but there is a call to

00:14:23.860 counsel, a reaching out to the mind around the leader in order to best figure out the way through.

00:14:34.660 And this is really, really important distinction. Now, there are no

00:14:40.000 um examples of lord tier giving a leadership in that sense um other than you know leading an

00:14:50.120 expedition um but that the best way i would i would look at it as the difference between

00:14:59.460 the president being the head of the executive branch and a general in the military. And that's

00:15:09.920 the different kind of leadership. Lord Tyr is about victory and he is about justice, but justice is

00:15:17.420 more in an outward way, not an inward way. Lord Forseti is connected more towards justice in the

00:15:26.320 internal, the way that we structure our laws, the way that we structure our rules to live together.

00:15:33.140 Lord Tyr is the Lord of justice in the outward sense, about the way that people in the Utgard 0.71

00:15:41.660 treat us the way that we deal with them and reversal. He is the Lord of the nation. He is 0.99

00:15:51.020 lord of the totality of the people and he is also deeply connected to the people as a whole

00:16:00.860 so lord thor is connected to the earth lord tyr is connected to the people and lord odin

00:16:07.740 is kind of again both and the instigator of um

00:16:13.900 um, passion and ecstasy and, uh, divine inspiration. And so that spark between the

00:16:23.860 two, because the other two can become, uh, stagnant, they, they can become complacent

00:16:30.480 and so on and so forth. So if we're looking at the holy gods in this model or framework,

00:16:37.380 And remember, we're not jamming them into any prescribed. It's more or less how we have asked the gods to help us. And this ends up defining them in certain ways.

00:16:52.600 And so we see again, if Lord Thor is the captain or the sergeant of a platoon and Lord Tyr is like the general of an army and then Lord Odin is like the king or the executive determinant.

00:17:16.460 He's the presider, the president, who has to take in all other factors, not just the militarium essence.

00:17:28.840 And that's kind of the difference, I would say, between the leaderships, if we were looking at the gods in those frameworks.

00:17:39.100 works? Yeah, I, as far as, as far as talking about those two things as different styles

00:18:00.260 of leadership. I don't place much stock in that. I think that, I don't know, I'm not,

00:18:15.620 there is, I'm trying to think of the best way to phrase this. I'm sure there's

00:18:18.920 words that describe this more perfectly. There's a tendency to,

00:18:24.300 I don't know, put a lot of things in little boxes and make, I don't know, make clever little terms

00:18:34.400 for stuff. And I don't, I don't, I'm never a fan of limiting our deities more than is absolutely

00:18:42.420 necessary. And I don't think we see that played out in the lore. I think that's a modern

00:18:48.720 adaptation, and I think one of the things is

00:18:52.540 people don't

00:18:53.600 people who have grown up with monotheism

00:19:00.540 being the default understanding of religion are not comfortable

00:19:04.480 with overlapping

00:19:08.360 things and with a diversity of gods

00:19:11.060 they want to, this god equals leadership

00:19:16.380 this God equals magic, this God equals strength. And it doesn't work like that. And it's never

00:19:22.420 that clean. And it is very limiting to deity when you do that. Tyr and Oven are very different

00:19:30.380 characters and serve, you know, interacted with our folk traditionally and today in very different

00:19:37.380 ways i don't think either of those is contradictory i think

00:19:49.300 i think

00:19:52.180 people want to constantly

00:19:56.740 debate over skyfather functionality and i think it misses the point i think to try to understand

00:20:05.860 here in Odin better is the point, as opposed to try to see which man-made box we think they best

00:20:12.880 fit in. I think to understand, like to have a relationship. Yeah. If you want to, if we want

00:20:18.640 to understand, well, I mean, in whatever the case, we want to, for whatever purpose, if we just want

00:20:25.120 to scholastically understand their existence, or certainly if we want to worship them and build

00:20:30.720 relationship with them we always want to reach up towards our gods and not pull our gods down

00:20:36.080 towards us and that's the whole thing with you know the turkey the turkish wizard theory or any

00:20:43.040 of those other things is and i is when i say an intent to it implies that's the

00:20:50.960 the expressed intention. And sometimes I think we do it honestly. It's hard to not look at things

00:21:00.900 from our perspective. But what we want to strive to do is better understand the perspective of the

00:21:08.300 divine. And this isn't to avoid the question. So I think that inherently people think that,

00:21:14.420 You know, maybe Tyr is a god of big picture leadership.

00:21:22.280 I think he gets associated with warfare and cosmic order, cosmic justice, big picture justice, the justice for nations or races or cosmic things as opposed to, you know, somebody stole my bike.

00:21:44.420 Um, so I think that's one thing and they tend to think of Odin as being a, you know, tactical

00:21:53.300 and magical dark figure, but we don't see that.

00:21:58.060 What we see in our lore that we have is that Odin is the king of the gods and that they

00:22:02.620 all interact with him in a father to children relationship.

00:22:08.540 I think Tyr is one of our older gods.

00:22:10.620 I think, you know, to my mind, he occupies an earlier phase in divinity than the other gods.

00:22:22.380 I think that sometimes we perhaps over dig into the father-son relationship of certain gods.

00:22:29.940 I think a lot of that is poetic understanding of things as they relate to one another.

00:22:34.300 But I don't think it works that way.

00:22:39.120 And one of the things that's important as we have Hoffs, we don't, there's no need to form like little rival camps around cults of different of the Aesir.

00:22:51.780 It's important to note that our pantheon is structured, that they work together in unison.

00:22:57.700 They are a family of gods and they are united in allegiance to and falling in line with the Allfather Odin.

00:23:07.800 And I think that's really important. One of the really syncretic and fortuitous things about Tiershoff being at what will be the AFA's capital is the idea that he represents in a lot of ways a permanent and everlasting, unshakable center and point of reference for the rest of the world.

00:23:37.800 our universe and our understanding of the world he is constant his justice his nobility his

00:23:46.040 courage is something that is a a constant and something that should guide us and i think that's

00:23:53.560 a that's an important thing and i think you develop more of that even in the scandinavian

00:24:00.040 period where we have much less we get the indication there was more in a greater corporate

00:24:07.320 lore earlier for lord tier that we may not have access to and i hope that we re-establish some of

00:24:12.680 that but i don't know i don't think that the one is juxtaposed like as a counterweight to the other

00:24:22.040 or or anything in that regard i wouldn't i don't like to

00:24:28.840 i don't like to you're either this or you're that if you're a good leader you're going to

00:24:32.360 lead based on the situation and the facts on the ground and where you're at and that's going to

00:24:36.520 cause you in a variety of different ways to have more similarities to the common understanding of

00:24:44.820 many of our different gods, depending upon the occasion and the circumstance.

00:24:49.820 And I think if it's helpful to, I don't know, if it's helpful to see things through that lens,

00:24:57.500 I don't think it's terrible, but I do think it's restrictive if you stay there.

00:25:01.560 that's that is exactly what i was gonna say was just you know to add on is i speak about that as

00:25:11.160 a lens in a lens of observation but it's not intended to be a place in which you you stop

00:25:19.600 in your understanding and relationship towards the gods it's uh because a lot of people are coming

00:25:25.740 from over the rift monotheism and then on top of that there's a lot of misinformation

00:25:32.300 um where people are desperately trying to funnel um the all of divinity into one uh where we have

00:25:44.620 like uh you know the in hinduism they're trying to currently they have you know shiva is all and

00:25:53.920 And then the other is Vishnu is all where we know that the Araya, when they invaded India, they had a tripartite.

00:26:03.240 They had a trinity and they had Indra and Agni and Veruna and the Hellenics even numbered theirs.

00:26:15.660 uh zeus has a lightning bolt and hades has a bident and neptune or poseidon has a trident

00:26:27.220 they numbered their tripartite and they always come after the fall of the sky father earth

00:26:37.440 mother and so a lot of people were trying to say no no no no the sky father earth mother are not

00:26:44.980 um these beings but actually that that just the head god of whatever pantheon and they're all the

00:26:52.920 same and they they immediately put the the gods of of the universe and of the arians in and on a

00:27:02.340 track and i think that was very foolish to do instead of simply observing the the correct

00:27:10.700 track, which is there is always the proto sky father and the proto earth mother. And then there

00:27:19.440 is the tripartite that is established to lead the gods forward and the high.

00:27:40.700 So, is that Svon or is that me, Nick?

00:27:50.440 I'm going to reckon that is Svon.

00:27:52.820 Okay, so if that's the case, that's where we're at.

00:27:56.820 Hopefully, Svon can get his internet squared away here before we start with the main part of the show.

00:28:03.360 But I think that's kind of where we're at on it.

00:28:05.280 The other question that we had brought to us before, well, last week with a donation was from Matthew from California, who donated $33 to the V&S fund.

00:28:19.460 And he asked a question, what does the AFA symbol represent?

00:28:24.960 Is it a Triskelian variant?

00:28:29.340 I suppose thematically it is.

00:28:34.280 It actually has a very specific origin, and it was chosen because it represents the three

00:28:48.520 horns of Odinic inspiration, Son, Bodhen, and Odrurir, and it's taken from a Danish rune

00:29:01.820 stone the snowdelev stone and if you see there we got some visuals for you it's hard to see

00:29:10.540 anybody looking at rune stones or rock carvings they weren't originally stained in there with red

00:29:16.700 the red is an attempt to highlight the carvings because they're very hard to see they're very old

00:29:22.780 and uh worn away and if you're watching this you may have to zoom in and look to see the symbol

00:29:29.660 but that's the symbol that the afa's trihorns was based on um it recurs in a couple of different

00:29:36.780 forms in a couple of different rune stones but this particular one is the one that gave

00:29:44.540 inspiration to the afa's symbol and it was neat in uh 2013 i think

00:29:50.700 our founder steve mcdalen and myself along with some other afa members went to denmark and we

00:30:01.420 actually got to go and see that stone um for for the first time and we went to there's a replica

00:30:09.100 of the stone where it was originally found it's currently housed in the national museum in

00:30:14.220 copenhagen but we went to the site of the of the original stone and they have a stone that they

00:30:20.780 erected there as kind of a i don't know a stand-in for it but we we buried one of the afa's pins in

00:30:28.220 that site as kind of a a homecoming or a touching back that foundational point with our our modern

00:30:36.700 symbols. So yeah, that is the meaning of our symbol. It implies that motion. It's next to

00:30:47.100 other solar symbols on that same stone. And that is where it comes from. And thank you very much

00:30:52.720 for your donation, Matthew. What else do we have? I want to give Svon a couple of minutes to get

00:31:01.400 And to get back around, this is from an email. Hello, I hope this answers you. I hope this answers these questions for more than just myself. I often see people critique Stephen McNallan for following the Iser instead of the Celtic gods, because he has an Irish surname.

00:31:26.840 Do you know why he follows the Iser? Which gods do you recommend for someone with mixed European ancestry and why? This would be for a combination of Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, Baltic, etc. Thank you in advance.

00:31:42.460 So, yeah, we've answered this or similar questions, or we've got these kind of questions many times over.

00:31:53.460 So fundamentally, we're able to trace the origins of people and the movements of people over the millennia.

00:32:01.360 it's tempting when gods and divinity in general is studied from a sociological or an anthropological

00:32:19.020 background to associate them with a particular group of people at a particular time

00:32:27.660 But that treats the gods as literary characters or superstitious functions, as opposed to treating them as gods.

00:32:37.540 If they are the creative gods of our race, then they existed when our people first came about, when our people first were born and first existed as a folk.

00:32:49.640 And we know that that goes before there was the distinction of Balt or Celt or Norse, Germanic, Slavic, etc.

00:33:00.320 Our people have common origin and we are a common race and we have common gods.

00:33:06.160 Our gods express themselves to our folk in different ways.

00:33:11.000 And the relationship between our people and our gods changed over time, depending on circumstance, depending on linguistics, depending on geography.

00:33:19.640 and depending on living relationships between our people and our gods but fundamentally the

00:33:26.260 answer to the question is the gods of Arian people are the gods of Arian people now we choose to

00:33:33.880 worship them and unify our myth structure around the Norse conception of them because it's the most

00:33:44.560 complete it's the most accessible and we believe it's the one that they have revealed themselves

00:33:53.200 to us in certainly that's why our founder uh chose to embrace the the norse conception of

00:34:02.460 germanic deity and that is all due to his awakening to alsatru when the all father odin

00:34:12.820 And, you know, as as Steve would describe it, awoken awoke his soul and brought him home to to Alcetru.

00:34:23.800 There was a very important reaction in 1968 between the Allfather and our founder, Steve McNallan.

00:34:30.660 And that was done through the the Norse nomenclature and the North Norse understanding of deity was done under the name of Odin.

00:34:40.140 And that's what we've chosen to build the Ausatru Folk Assembly around. I would suggest that anybody of European ancestry embrace Ausatru and follow Ausatru.

00:34:51.540 I understand in certain parts of Europe, if there's an appeal to follow that very particular regional expression of Aryan religion, but in general, certainly here in the United States,

00:35:05.220 I think that it is the best and most fulfilling and best direct route to authentically serving our gods and worshiping our gods is through the Norse understanding, through the practice of Alcitru, and specifically through membership and involvement with the Alcitru Folk Assembly.

00:35:29.680 And I thank you for your question.

00:35:31.300 I think it's something often people wonder.

00:35:35.220 So I have not heard back from Svahn on what his current situation is.

00:35:44.220 So I think we'll go through the questions that we have, answer those, and then if he's not back, we'll go right into tonight's material and he can join us when he gets here.

00:35:59.660 Hey there, question for you this week.

00:36:02.580 What are some of the best ways for someone who wants to believe in the Aesir, but is perhaps struggling with actual faith to cross over into actually believing and knowing the Aesir are real?

00:36:15.540 Do you have a story from your own life or of having such a moment and or general tips on how to have such a moment for ourselves?

00:36:25.260 Thank you. Much love to the AFA. Well, thank you very much, Tyler, for your question.

00:36:29.040 So, there he is. So, one thing I'll say is do not beat yourself up or put yourself under undue mental stress to try to force yourself to have a belief in something.

00:36:47.980 there is no um

00:36:52.060 we don't have the concept or the impetus in Ausitru to try to force anyone to believe

00:37:02.620 in our gods it's about relationship building and that has to be done through a place of truth

00:37:08.880 and honesty and not through you know fear or social pressure to believe something

00:37:14.500 And so that said, I do have some story and some tips, but what I'll say kind of first

00:37:27.600 to set the scene, a lot of pieces have to fit together most often for one of those experiences

00:37:37.280 to happen. And I think there are levels of belief. So first and foremost, if you're just

00:37:47.440 coming to Ausatru and you would like to have a relationship with the Aesir and you would like

00:37:51.900 to have a faith in them, your best bet is, in my opinion, to approach it with an open mind and an

00:38:00.740 open heart and to not make any pretense about your belief or your loyalty that you don't have yet,

00:38:10.620 but to make a good faith effort and give it the opportunity to be the case. Assume like, hey,

00:38:20.760 don't know if you guys exist or you don't, but I really hope that you do. I want you to. I feel

00:38:28.280 like you do. So here I am, I'm going to make an offering. I'm

00:38:31.640 listening. Please accept this. And, you know, if you care to

00:38:40.340 communicate to me in whatever way you'd like, but I'm here and

00:38:43.160 I'm listening. And here's an offering. I think making that

00:38:46.160 gesture as a good faith gesture at first, and being open to

00:38:50.180 that, you would be surprised what you receive. I think that

00:38:54.200 everything is not a grand miraculous the skies open up and one of the gods appears before you and

00:39:02.120 you know has a conversation with you i think that's very seldom how it works i think there are

00:39:09.640 a lot of levels of faith that we have as we start out and i think that those

00:39:19.000 are different for different people in different experiences what i do know is

00:39:22.360 There is often a level where we feel like we believe, we want to believe, we say we believe, and to an extent we do believe.

00:39:35.600 But there is a different level where all of a sudden your reality is fundamentally altered and you absolutely believe.

00:39:46.860 and you know I can't say that everyone has that experience but I can say that many people do

00:39:56.240 I have been blessed to witness that occur in many other people and I have had that occur

00:40:03.500 in my own life numerous times but your best way to achieve that is by putting yourself

00:40:11.040 in a position to. One of the things that's really frustrating is when people refuse to take part in

00:40:18.800 or, you know, get together with members because they don't have that belief

00:40:24.400 without giving themselves an opportunity to develop it. In order for you to build that

00:40:31.760 relationship, it takes activity. To just wait for the gods to somehow convince you is disrespectful

00:40:40.820 and presumptuous. For you to go and make the first effort and say, hey, I'm going to participate in

00:40:45.520 a bloat. I'm going to try. I want to take this seriously and put my best foot forward. You

00:40:52.380 reaching out in good faith, you would be surprised. Oftentimes, very special things happen.

00:40:58.660 In order to facilitate that, though, a number of things often have to be in place.

00:41:08.300 The God that you reach out to has to be inclined to reach out to you and extend communication or blessing or interaction with you in some way.

00:41:19.440 You have to open yourself to be able to recognize and appreciate those interactions if they occur. And sometimes, and often, a gothy or whoever is conducting the ritual, they can help form that bridge, they can help facilitate that communication. 0.95

00:41:45.720 and if all of those are in place then sometimes something really special happens to expect it all 0.98

00:41:54.440 the time is just not fitting with the world that we live in but to be open to it and recognize when

00:42:00.560 it occurs I think you'd be surprised but again it's not something that I don't think anybody

00:42:06.100 can guarantee for you I can guarantee you certainly the ICR are real but I can't promise

00:42:12.720 you that i can convince you that they are or prove to you in a debate or in a court of law that

00:42:21.200 i can't a lot of the things are experiential and not something that another person can prove to

00:42:28.720 you or convince you of but they're absolutely true and if you open yourself to it i think that over

00:42:36.240 time that truth will reveal itself to you maybe in a collection of small ways that lead up to a big

00:42:43.680 realization or maybe if you're very fortunate in one or more really big ways that make it crystal

00:42:51.200 clear but you have to be there in order to experience it it's like you know you have to put

00:42:57.760 yourself in position to to experience and to participate in that gift cycle if you would like

00:43:05.280 to be part of it and so that's what i would encourage you to do as far as a trick a tip

00:43:10.720 to uh make this happen is to take advantage of of being in a place where you can participate

00:43:19.280 in ritual being open to it and going in without expectation or without demand but with a generous

00:43:27.600 you know from your mind hey i'm making offering to you i hope that it's appreciated and i hope that

00:43:35.040 you know, I can build a strong connection with you. Hail, you know, hail Oven and see what happens.

00:43:43.760 And that's for people who can get together with AFA members near them.

00:43:48.880 Hopefully, if they could get together at a Hoff, but you can also do a lot of that work by yourself

00:43:55.280 too if you don't have that access. Ideally, do all of the above. Go to Moots, go to a Hoff,

00:44:02.000 and make devotional offerings by yourself. That increases your opportunities for this to happen

00:44:07.440 in your life. When I first came home to Ausatru, I knew there was something there, but I couldn't

00:44:16.160 say that I had a deep faith in any particular one of the Isir in specific, but I knew that 0.98

00:44:28.800 this was the right path and i knew that if i didn't have that faith i was the one who hadn't 0.99

00:44:34.560 built it yet so when i first came home to also true i i did what i was talking i the way i

00:44:41.280 recall it was i spent a week on each of our gods and goddesses leaving offerings and meditating

00:44:49.920 on them and praying to them and basically doing what i said make leaving an offering

00:44:55.360 saying a prayer just very simple hey um i have left the foreign cult of christianity i want to

00:45:06.880 come home to my gods and the faith of my folk i want to understand you better and be closer to

00:45:16.860 you please accept my offering and i'm here and i'm listening and then i'd sit there and i'd meditate

00:45:23.160 and just kind of be in that space for a time.

00:45:27.420 And I would do that every day for about a week.

00:45:30.640 And I still remember a number of those incidents really fondly.

00:45:37.000 And without, you know, again, no great earth-shaking miracle occurred during them.

00:45:43.560 But I very much felt at home.

00:45:46.180 I very much felt listened to.

00:45:48.640 And I very much felt the reality of those gods in my life and in my soul.

00:45:56.020 And that, you know, that very simple set of offerings is, you know, brought me to where I am today and has shaped the rest of my life since that point.

00:46:08.960 So Svon, if you're just joining us, guy asked, you know, if he doesn't have a belief yet, but wants to, what are some tips on how to make that happen? And are there any stories on how that happened for you?

00:46:24.660 Yeah, I think that it's important for people coming into our faith to understand that it is not about you relinquishing your space for the invitation or the.

00:46:41.880 It's not about submitting your identity and yourself in order for the pouring in or the domination of a spiritual being.

00:46:58.420 No, in actuality, it takes effort. It takes you are attempting to step across the threshold back to the divine.

00:47:10.620 And so this happens in all forms. Lord Odin doesn't choose just simply anyone, but those who have transcended even their own concepts of mortality.

00:47:25.040 The Einherjar are those, and again, battle is a perfect place for this, in which an individual just transcends all of the mundane and becomes a paragon in the moment.

00:47:45.760 and again we need to step forward and that's the biggest part we have action and hope are two huge 0.50

00:47:57.960 parts of our faith you must do speaking out giving offering and hope that they receive the offering

00:48:09.900 and begin the relationship again i i don't know if this is because over time there's that that

00:48:19.360 separation or again i think the biggest thing is that our holy gods are about us attaining

00:48:28.180 and that no attainment of anything is done through idle sitting there there has to be

00:48:37.520 a moment in which you walk forward and bridge that gap and it it's only through deed through

00:48:46.360 speaking out loud through giving gift and then you you hope and with that hope again i have met

00:48:57.640 many people in our faith who have truly interesting stories about reaching across

00:49:06.480 and having that hope fulfilled with an answer, with an understanding that we are here,

00:49:15.980 we have noticed you, we have noticed what all of you are doing, because that's another big thing

00:49:23.820 is um it's not just about you it is also about your people it is about your tribe and that

00:49:34.780 collective sense of the whole group reaching across to the holy gods and you in in a sense are sharing

00:49:46.700 that identity and we know that that sense that tribal sense goes all the way back um even to the

00:49:54.940 victories of the lombards where lord odin is giving victory to them over another germanic tribe

00:50:02.220 because of them showing up early and of course there's some things nuances there i'm i'm skipping

00:50:09.420 but the idea again is still the same. Our faith is built differently that way. So reaching out,

00:50:19.860 going to, being at, and participating, laying gift, placing yourself in the horn. When the horn

00:50:31.060 comes before you, whether you touch it or whether you speak into it, you're placing a piece of

00:50:37.160 yourself there and your giving started the moment you left your front door and then you are also

00:50:46.140 giving with all of your kinfolk so now there is this great movement forward and then you hope

00:50:56.000 you hope that the gods will give you this sign or inclination and generally again as

00:51:04.100 I have heard of most people's incidences being, again, extraordinary, but not to the point where

00:51:18.340 reality was shattered. And my story is still the same in that regards. I received a dream,

00:51:28.100 actually when i was a teenager when i was about 13 or 14 i was starting to go on this path i was

00:51:35.080 very interested in things um i was actively searching and looking for the faith of my

00:51:43.940 people that i didn't know was actually a faith and um it had been so suppressed that i didn't

00:51:54.520 Actually, my mother, who was born in Iceland, didn't know that it was a legitimate thing.

00:52:01.260 There was actually people doing this.

00:52:03.480 This is more kind of a talk or, you know, a nod to your heritage.

00:52:09.280 No, legitimately stepping forward and giving thanks and homage to the gods of our people.

00:52:17.520 And in that, I received a dream.

00:52:21.440 And that dream was simple, straightforward.

00:52:24.360 i think i've spoken about a hearing on victory never sleeps um in which i was a teenager and

00:52:32.040 uh at the time of the dream but in the dream i was a child and i remember myself so vividly i

00:52:41.000 was wearing uh clothing um from the time that i was a young uh child i was wearing a mickey mouse

00:52:51.320 shirt and it was a softball style shirt and um i was standing next to an older uh

00:53:02.600 person who was wearing at the time i could only describe it as

00:53:07.720 gray clothing that went from their neck down to their feet um robe or or or cloak and um i could

00:53:18.440 not see his face but i only saw the white uh beard and he said are you ready to begin this journey

00:53:28.680 and i said yes and then i looked forward and the trees before me on the path were sheltering the

00:53:37.000 road and that's my first of quite a few um instances of of this and this the the key factor

00:53:49.720 of why this is significant is because this was just before my true understanding of of the faith

00:53:57.960 of the or the possibility of an actual religion um and this was even before my intake of uh

00:54:08.520 lord of the rings i i just i didn't have a lot of context to this and yet it was so visceral i can

00:54:17.640 remember it to this day and you know i i think what it was was i was originally starting out

00:54:27.420 I got this simple book, two books, actually, Ralph Bloom, and then Sayak's Wicca from Raymond Buckland.

00:54:39.860 Now, the big thing about these books, well, obviously, Ralph Bloom's book was the runes.

00:54:46.180 But I wasn't looking at Buckland's book because of the religion.

00:54:51.400 I wanted to learn the runes, especially the Anglo-Saxon runes.

00:54:57.420 and it was those uh writing forms that i was focusing on and so i i think to my mind at 14

00:55:07.500 years old i was just not ready to conceptualize divinity i was really focusing on angular

00:55:16.220 symbols and sigils and then i get this dream and then it's like oh wait a minute okay so then i i

00:55:27.100 start moving into the concept of divinity because that's my first that's why I chose that there's

00:55:33.900 I've had others but that one really really sticks out to me as the instigator the igniter of of my

00:55:41.340 journey um all right looking at something here um sorry about that

00:56:02.780 all right so let's get into the go ahead i was gonna say i did see a question earlier before i

00:56:16.000 got kicked off because of technical stuff somebody was saying they're coming to uh virginia beach

00:56:21.300 and uh they were wondering where to where to get a haircut and where to go well

00:56:27.840 uh you come see me that's a no-brainer uh come to my shop unless you're trying to get a jerry curl

00:56:37.000 because a man's fawn says he is not proficient no find the activator

00:56:42.260 no uh if you're looking we have had this conversation

00:56:48.020 yeah the fact that you were like come on open up your repertoire

00:56:52.440 just trolling me hard on it no i um i have a barber shop uh if you would like the scheduler

00:57:04.900 all you would have to do is reach out to me um via email tell me who you are where you're coming

00:57:11.040 from and um i'll give you the uh scheduler so you can schedule a haircut and then we could talk

00:57:19.280 about all kinds of places around here locally that you might want to visit.

00:57:27.980 All right. Well, with that, are we ready to get into the text tonight?

00:57:35.900 I'm ready.

00:57:39.640 And we left off at chapter 29, I believe.

00:57:49.280 We finished chapter 29 and are about to start chapter 30.

00:57:59.520 All right.

00:58:02.360 Chapter 30 of the slaying of Sigurd Fafnir's bane.

00:58:10.340 So now we come to the end of our hero, but not the end of the story.

00:58:19.280 Thereafter Brynhild went out and sat under the bower wall and had many words of wailing to say

00:58:30.340 and still she cried that all things were loathsome to her both land and lordship alike so she might

00:58:39.400 not have Sigurd. And just for a recap for people understanding this is there is a mix-up. Sigurd

00:58:49.680 and Brynhild professed their love to each other, but then under the guise of another person,

00:59:01.080 he is, or excuse me, Sigurd loses his memory through sorcery and is betrothed to another woman.

00:59:09.400 And then to double that, under the guise of another man, he frees Brynhild from the fire around her fortress.

00:59:22.800 Or he doesn't free her, but he goes over the great obstacle in the guise of his wife's brother.

00:59:33.060 And then when she comes out and says that she will marry anyone who jumped the fire, that's when she realizes it was Sigurd all along.

00:59:46.220 So this immediately creates the four of them all against each other in a lot of ways.

00:59:55.680 And Brünnhild is the only one that knew the truth, for the most part, other than the slight deception, she knew this, and she also knew how all of this was going to turn out.

01:00:12.340 It was just a matter of the intricacies of it.

01:00:15.980 So, uh, but therewith came Gunnar to her yet again, and Brunhild spoke.

01:00:28.280 Thou shalt lose both realm and wealth

01:00:34.360 And thy life and me

01:00:37.740 For I shall fare home to my kin

01:00:40.940 And abide there in sorrow

01:00:42.900 Unless thou slayest Sigurd and his son

01:00:48.640 Never nourish thou a wolf cub

01:00:52.160 So remove Sigurd 0.97

01:00:58.060 At this point now she is at total revenge

01:01:01.480 Against his trickery

01:01:04.480 Even though initially benign

01:01:07.520 It got much worse as they spoke

01:01:10.360 And then on top of that 1.00

01:01:12.380 To kill the Volsung from him 0.99

01:01:17.380 And Gunnar is the one that asked Sigurd to jump the fire while being in the guise of him. 0.99

01:01:33.340 Gunnar grew sick at heart thereat and might now wise see what fearful thing laid beneath it all.

01:01:42.180 He was bound to Sigurd by oath through marriage.

01:01:48.000 And this way and that way swung the heart within him.

01:01:53.660 But at the last, he bethought him of the measureless shame.

01:01:59.760 If his wife went from him and said within himself,

01:02:04.980 Brynhild is better to me than all things else and the fairest woman of all women.

01:02:12.180 And I will lay down my life rather than lose the love of her.

01:02:18.720 And herewith he called to him his brother and they spoke.

01:02:24.600 Trouble is heavy on me.

01:02:27.780 And he tells him that he must in needs slay Sigurd for that he has failed him wherein he trusted him.

01:02:39.580 So at this point, he says, Sigurd failed me when he said that I, you know, that I could trust in him. Though, obviously, reading and knowing the story, that's not the case.

01:02:54.060 This is definitely when I think, you know, weaker men or men who bury themselves into holes suddenly start to excuse themselves and say, well, well, you know, I didn't want to be a part of that anyways because of X, Y, and Z without ever taking that accountability.

01:03:17.680 And then on top of that, I think Brynhild knew this and that that he would try to attempt to fix things by maintaining his oath to her, which she sends into action.

01:03:40.180 So let us be lords of the gold and the realm with all.

01:03:47.680 Hogni answers,

01:04:17.680 it is to have such a brother-in-law and such sons to our sister but well i see how things stand

01:04:29.280 for this has brinhild stirred thee up to and surely shall her counsel drag us into a huge

01:04:37.680 shame and scathe. So he's speaking of the fact that if they turn on Sigurd, it will be their

01:04:51.660 doom. He has not forgotten that the reason why their fame and their expansion of lands is because

01:04:59.160 they had Sigurd the dragon slayer in their midst and married their sister, and they have a child

01:05:07.940 now, and they're extending their line. But Gunnar will not have any of it. Gunnar says,

01:05:17.420 Yet shall it be brought about, and lo, a reed thereto, let us egg on our brother Gutorn to the deed.

01:05:27.360 He is young, he has little knowledge, and he's queen out of all the oaths moreover.

01:05:35.780 So here at this point, I'm not saying we do it. 0.93

01:05:40.340 I'm saying our little brother do it because there are three sons and they want Gutorm to do it

01:05:51.180 because he's not witful, he's not cunning, he doesn't quite understand. He can be easily led

01:05:57.680 as youth often are and he's not beholden by oaths of marriage or loyalty or spoken over the ring

01:06:08.080 or the horn so he's a an unknown factor let's get him to do it which is absolutely dastardly

01:06:18.480 that he's getting his little brother to do it uh

01:06:27.280 ah set about an ill wise says hogney and though indeed it may be it may well be compassed a

01:06:37.440 due reward shall we gain for the betrayal of such a man as Sigurd. So he says, yeah, you could try

01:06:44.020 to go around this. You could try to work your way. We're still going to get the just desserts of

01:06:51.040 going wickedly against the dragon slayer and the or law that he has brought that the gods have

01:07:00.440 given to him. He wields a sword held by Lord Oven. And he doesn't want to do it. It's a lot

01:07:08.140 of trepidation. And Gunnar says, Sigurd shall die, or I shall die. And therewith he bids Brynhild 0.56

01:07:20.200 arise and be glad at heart. So she arose, and still ever she said that Gunnar should come

01:07:27.940 so more into her bed till the deed was done so don't come into her bed chamber until

01:07:35.080 you've taken care of the the one that has in essence broken her heart that's why she wants him

01:07:43.040 gone um so the brothers fall to talk and gunner says that it is the deed well worthy of death

01:07:51.820 That taking of Brynhild's maidenhead.

01:07:56.120 So come now, let us prick on Guttorm to do the deed.

01:08:03.560 So eventually Hogni kind of more or less relents.

01:08:09.460 And Gunnurr is the one who's saying, we're going to instigate all of this.

01:08:14.340 Don't worry, we're going to, I can't be without her.

01:08:18.360 um and if i'm without her i'm going to die so do you want your brother to die or do you want

01:08:25.220 sigurd to die he's he's pulling out all of the emotional bribes um therewith they call him to 0.56

01:08:37.360 them and offer him gold and great dominion as well uh have might to do i and they took a certain 0.98

01:08:49.260 worm and somewhat of a wolf's flesh and let see them together and gave him to eat of the same

01:08:59.580 even as the singer sings fish of the wild wood worm smooth crawling the wolf meat mingled they

01:09:11.540 minced for gutorm then in the beaker in the wine his mouth knew they said it still doing more the

01:09:21.720 deeds of wizards so that last part's really interesting because it gives a glimpse now

01:09:29.720 bear in mind this might not be an actual um magical practice of the day but it may

01:09:39.320 maybe a poetic and or warrior class interpretation of what wizards do what vitkis do um and so it

01:09:52.520 has a lot of poetic license we we don't quite know um and also to the influence of the ages

01:10:02.360 As more of the Mediterranean concepts of magic came up and influenced and changed things, our ancestors incorporated a lot of that.

01:10:16.800 So here, you know, we have the worm entering into the wolf flesh, which, again, is just really poetically awesome as far as, like, just painting the picture.

01:10:31.300 But they take this flesh and the worm and they place it in his wine and he drinks it and this corrupts him, almost as if their very ideas were worms trying to get into their little brother's head.

01:10:50.220 whereof with the eating of this meat he grew so wild and so eager and with all things about him

01:11:01.840 and with heavy words of Grimhild that he gave his word to do the deed and mighty honor they

01:11:09.200 promised him in reward thereof and this also harkens back to uh even earlier in the story

01:11:17.560 When Sigmund and Sigurd are in wolf shape, they're wearing wolf straps.

01:11:25.800 And we also know of the Ulf Hidnar wearing wolf skins.

01:11:30.540 So the consumption of the wolf flesh goes right along again with a physical transference to gain the outcome.

01:11:42.200 that is established well enough that we see it throughout other modes of

01:11:50.620 poetry and stories and so I you know he's incensed once he eats this wolf flesh

01:12:04.140 um so guttorm went into sigurd the next morning as he lay upon his bed yet durst he he not do

01:12:16.400 aught against him but shrank back out again by and even so he fared a second time 0.72

01:12:25.580 we're gonna we're gonna start seeing the uh arian uh necessities of the the triplications

01:12:34.600 um the tripartite i don't know if you got the wine ready or not but uh um it's everywhere no so

01:12:42.520 um he goes in once and thinking he's going to ambush him while he's asleep and then he sees

01:12:52.280 him and he doubts himself and he shrinks back and he's starting to think okay maybe this is not

01:12:59.320 good then he comes in a second time but the third time he went in and there sigurd lay asleep

01:13:07.240 then guttorm drew his sword and thrust sigurd through in such wise that the sword point

01:13:15.080 smote into the bed beneath him then Sigurd awoke with that wound Guttorm got him unto the door

01:13:25.640 but therewith Sigurd caught up the sword of Gram and cast it after him and it smote him in the back

01:13:34.440 and struck him asunder in the midst so that the feet of him fell one way and the head and hands

01:13:43.080 and back into the chamber he throws his sword like a spinning blade as he's running

01:13:53.880 and it cleaves him so that his back falls into the room and his legs still kind of run forward

01:14:04.440 into the dirt guys this is crazy and awesome this is uh just the presentation of it all too so

01:14:18.840 now gudrun lay asleep on sigurd's bosom but she woke up unto woe that uh may not be told of

01:14:31.080 all swimming in the blood of him and in such wise did she bewail her with uh her with weeping and

01:14:39.160 words of sorrow that sigurd rose up on the bolster and spoke so she was basically this paragraph is

01:14:47.240 saying during all of this uh guttorm's sister by the way gudrun is sleeping with her husband

01:14:59.400 sigurd and he takes this hit and blood goes everywhere and she starts screaming and he stands

01:15:08.920 up and then he uh throws the sword but he speaks to her and he says weep not for thy brothers live

01:15:21.160 for thy delight but a young son have i too young to be aware of his foes and oh and uh and an ill

01:15:33.320 turn have these played against their own fortune for never will they get a mightier brother-in-law

01:15:42.040 to ride abroad with them nay nor a better son to their sister than this one if he may grow to a

01:15:52.140 man's estate lo now is that come to pass which was foretold to me long ago but from mine eyes

01:16:03.740 has it been hidden for none may fight against his fate and prevail behold this has brynhild

01:16:15.180 brought to pass she's the agent of it is what he's saying that never have i wrought ill to gunner

01:16:24.860 but rather have ever held fast to my oaths to him nor was i ever too much a friend to his wife

01:16:33.740 So I've always upkept my oaths. I've never wronged him by trying to woo Grunhild after their wedding.

01:16:45.020 And now, if I had been forewarned and had been afoot with my weapon, then should many a man have lost his life, or over I had fallen.

01:16:56.680 And all those brethren should have been slain, and a harder work would the slaying of me have been, the slaying of the mightiest bull or the mightiest boar of the wildwood.

01:17:10.180 and even therewithal life left the king but Gudrun moaned and drew a weary breath 0.91

01:17:22.720 and Brynhild heard it and laughed when she heard her moaning

01:17:29.320 so very powerful ending point and he says if i was awake there would be bodies beneath me

01:17:41.420 but it took the subterfuge and the ignorance of the youngest one to take me down

01:17:48.000 uh then said gunner to brinheld he says thou laughest not because the heart roots are gladdened

01:17:58.560 or else why doth thy visage wax so wane?

01:18:05.540 Sure, again, he's saying you're not truly happy

01:18:08.820 because your face doesn't show true happiness.

01:18:15.280 It drops immediately back to the serious nature of her mind.

01:18:22.140 Sure, an evil creature thou art,

01:18:25.120 Most like thou art nigh to thy death

01:18:28.760 Lo now, how meet would it be for thee to behold thy brother

01:18:35.720 Atly slain before your eyes

01:18:39.000 And that thou shouldest stand over him dead

01:18:42.420 Whereas we must needs now stand over our brother-in-law

01:18:48.280 In such a case, our brother-in-law and our brother's bane

01:18:53.280 so instantly and you got to remember too with poems there isn't a lot of uh context to fill

01:19:02.180 in but suddenly this all happens and he sees her laugh and he realizes he's a tool he's been

01:19:15.220 utilized uh in her desire for revenge and in doing so because of his own machinations uh got his

01:19:26.360 brother killed um and she probably doesn't care either way uh let me see here okay she answered

01:19:38.560 None need mock at the measure of slaughter being unfulfilled, yet heedeth not, Atli, your wrath or your threats.

01:19:49.540 Aye, he shall live longer than ye, and be a mightier man.

01:19:54.760 Hogni spoke then

01:19:58.780 this is Gunnar's brother

01:20:00.540 and said

01:20:01.820 now hath come to pass

01:20:04.260 the soothsaying of Brynhild

01:20:06.840 an ill work

01:20:08.500 not to be atoned for

01:20:10.280 so to remember earlier in the story

01:20:12.360 Brynhild she foretold

01:20:14.480 all of this

01:20:15.640 but it was not

01:20:18.580 understood as to

01:20:20.440 how it would be fulfilled

01:20:21.720 and how it would come to pass

01:20:24.220 And now it has

01:20:26.760 And it was by her hand

01:20:28.580 So the truth

01:20:30.660 Forspoken by the very one 0.96

01:20:32.780 Who does

01:20:33.320 The instigation of the deeds

01:20:35.900 And Gudrun said

01:20:41.180 My kinsmen have slain

01:20:42.960 My husband

01:20:45.320 So she speaks and says

01:20:46.980 My brothers have killed my husband

01:20:48.820 But ye

01:20:50.460 When ye next ride to war

01:20:53.440 and are come into battle.

01:20:55.560 Then shall ye look and see

01:20:58.380 that Sigurd is neither on the fight hand.

01:21:02.920 He's not on the sword hand of your cavalry

01:21:06.660 or the sword hand of your shield wall,

01:21:09.580 nor is he on your left.

01:21:13.120 And ye shall know that he was your good hat

01:21:17.640 and your strength.

01:21:19.600 And if he had lived and had sons,

01:21:22.720 Then should ye have been strengthened by his offspring and his kin.

01:21:33.700 So the calling out and just simply knowing by his very presence alone that he is such a valuable asset to these kings.

01:21:50.900 being a king himself and for him to be absent alone is punishment does speak a lot even despite

01:22:01.560 the clear um you know uh morbid and and and all of a sudden regretted ambush

01:22:14.660 and we move to chapter 31 this is of the lamentation of Gudrun over Sigurd's dead

01:22:27.120 as it is told in the ancient songs and there's a there's a mark there showing that this

01:22:36.920 is going to be of more

01:22:39.880 the poetic songs.

01:22:41.580 So the story is being told

01:22:43.760 and then the

01:22:45.300 Schald goes into

01:22:47.140 speaking in

01:22:49.700 meter

01:22:50.100 and it tells the story

01:22:53.640 and again, anybody familiar

01:22:55.620 with

01:22:56.720 Lord of the Rings

01:22:59.280 you can see that the transference

01:23:01.480 into poem happens very swiftly

01:23:03.800 and that's again

01:23:05.600 too, from these works. The poem states,

01:23:16.480 Guthrun of old days drew near to dying as she sat in sorrow over Sigurd. Yet she sighed not,

01:23:26.340 nor smote hand on hand nor wailed she ought as other women then went earls to her full all uh

01:23:38.020 full full of all wisdom fain helped to deal to her dreadful heart hushed was good room to wail

01:23:47.780 or greeting but with a heavy woe was her heart a-breaking bright and fair sat the great earl's

01:23:57.620 brides gold arrayed before gudrun each told the tale of her great trouble the bitterest bale she

01:24:08.420 erst abode. Then spoke Giaflau, Kyuki's sister, lo upon the earth I live most loveless, who of five 0.54

01:24:22.820 mates must see the ending, of daughters twain and three sisters, and brethren eight, and abide behind

01:24:30.560 lonely. Not gat Gudrun of wail and greeting. So heavy was she for her dead husband. So dreadful

01:24:39.720 hearted for the king lay dead there. Then spoke Herborg. And now here is the additions. If

01:24:53.760 anybody's following this is on velustvow.org um at this point we're entering the these metered verse

01:25:02.380 and i was attempting to look up uh herborg and gulrond i am only assuming please don't take me

01:25:11.140 at 100 that these are the poetic verses composed by these scalds so these scalds have have um

01:25:19.780 compose these verses specifically around

01:25:24.960 Gudrun's

01:25:27.680 If you're following also keep in mind that some of this

01:25:33.200 supplemental text is inserted into the saga

01:25:37.040 from etic sources and it fits well and it's cool

01:25:41.000 that they do that and I'm glad that they do and I'm wondering when we get

01:25:45.140 to that portion how Svan and I will kind of

01:25:48.840 splice that in or see what we do that's one of the reasons that we read this now as opposed to later

01:25:54.360 is because it does cover a lot gives all of the background to a number of poems that are included

01:26:00.440 in the etta but don't really have a lot of self-contained like they're they're fragmentary

01:26:09.320 based on the audience knowing this story and ultimately these poems are being spoken of

01:26:17.000 because in a way it's like we know you're sad but we've had sad stuff too you're not alone in

01:26:25.800 your sorrow and that's kind of what's going on but in these poems we get to see glimpses of

01:26:34.280 philosophical and or just general mental outlook on tragedy um but it's i just find it interesting

01:26:43.880 that again, the, the, the earls bring their wives into kind of, you've got it bad. We've

01:26:52.220 all got it bad. And this is the poetic version of that. Then spoke Herborg. Oh, the names

01:27:00.900 of the wives. That's so obvious now. Again, I'm reading into it too deeply earlier today.

01:27:13.860 Queen of Hunland, crueler tale have I to tell of, of my seven sons down in the Southlands,

01:27:23.340 And the eighth man, my mate, felled in the death mead.

01:27:30.640 So she says she has seven sons and she has survived the death of eight, seven of her sons and her husband.

01:27:45.400 Felled in the death mead.

01:27:47.740 That I did not see.

01:27:49.200 Um, father and mother and four brothers on the wide sea, the winds and death played with the billows beat on the bulwark boards alone must I sing over them alone must I array them alone must my hands deal with their departing.

01:28:09.860 And all this was in one season's wearing, and none was left for love or solace.

01:28:18.420 Then was I bound, a prey of battle, when that same season wore to its ending. 0.93

01:28:25.920 As a tiring may must, I bind the shoon of the duke's high dame every day at dawning. 0.97

01:28:38.680 From her jealous hate gat I heavy mocking. 1.00

01:28:43.000 Cruel lashings she laid upon me.

01:28:46.740 Never met I better master or mistress worser in all the wide world.

01:28:53.080 not gat gudhrun of of whale or greeting so heavy was she for her dead husband so dreadful hearted

01:29:03.360 for the king laid dead there so she basically says that her children were slain her husband was

01:29:10.900 again killed in the fell mead um and then her parents too were killed at sea and then after

01:29:20.860 the tidying of that summer of war um she was taken in to captivity and forced to work for

01:29:31.100 another lord and his lady and they beat her and uh forced her to do again more churlish

01:29:42.700 churlish uh things um not the things of nobility

01:29:50.860 Um, and she's basically saying, but, but your husband just died. I mean, look what I had to go. And again, it's not so simple as that. Obviously, one, this is a chance to showcase poetics.

01:30:07.140 But the other is, is that they're attempting to assuage or release a lot of that pent-up grief because she sees these women in front of her who have suffered greatly and are moving on with their lives. 0.80

01:30:30.240 Then spoke Gulrond, Gyuki's daughter

01:30:36.520 O foster mother, wise as thou mayest be 0.98

01:30:40.120 Not canst thou better the young wife's bale 0.99

01:30:43.760 And she bade uncover the dead king's corpse 0.92

01:30:48.260 She swept the sheet away from Sigurd 0.99

01:30:54.720 And turned his cheek towards his wife's knees

01:30:58.740 Look on thy loved one, lay lips to his lips, even as thou went clinging to thy king alive yet.

01:31:09.600 Once looked, Gudrun, one look only, and saw her lord's locks lying all bloody, and the great man's eyes glazed and deadly,

01:31:21.780 and his heart's bulwark broken so his chest the bulwark of his heart uh broken by sword edge

01:31:31.400 back then sank Gudrun back onto the bolster loosened was her head array so she fell back and 0.96

01:31:40.320 could not hold herself upright red did her cheeks grow and the raindrops ran down over her knees

01:31:50.140 Again, that translation there is a kenning for tears.

01:31:55.880 Then wept Gudrun, Gyuki's daughter, so that the tears flowed through the pillow as the geese withal that were in the home field, that the fair fowls that may be owned fell a-screening.

01:32:15.700 so uh she wept so deeply into the pillow that the very down uh hearkened to the birds falling from

01:32:26.780 the sky and and screaming in in uh pain and and sadness but then spoke gulrond guki's daughter

01:32:36.880 surely knew i know love like your love among all men on the mold abiding so she says i i i have not

01:32:48.740 loved like you have loved and another uh key thing is the mold abiding the um the usage of the word

01:32:57.320 mold to mean uh again dust or returning to the burial or returning or just simply walking hell's

01:33:06.400 road to death um not wouldest thou joy in without or within doors oh my sister

01:33:14.800 save beside sigurd and then gudrun spoke

01:33:22.960 kyuki's daughter and this is the a part stating that she is the one speaking such was my sigurd

01:33:30.880 among the sons of kyuki as in the king leak over the low grass waxing the leak is so above

01:33:43.840 the wilted grass it's the spear like the the leak being so significant in our leech craft in in our

01:33:53.680 symbology even to the runes the leak and so he he is like a a leak leaf over the wilted grass um

01:34:08.400 or a bright stone strung upon a brand a band or a pearl of price on a prince's brow like a crown

01:34:19.440 Once was I counted by the king's warriors

01:34:24.140 Higher than any of Heryon's maize

01:34:28.660 Now am I as little as the leaf may be

01:34:33.800 And amid the wind-swept wood now

01:34:37.500 When the dead he lieth

01:34:39.100 I miss from my seat, I miss from my bed

01:34:42.640 My darling of sweet speech 1.00

01:34:45.140 Rought the sons of Gyuki 1.00

01:34:47.760 This sore sorrow I 1.00

01:34:53.840 For their sister

01:34:55.720 Most sore the sorrow 0.91

01:34:58.140 So may your lands lie waste on all sides

01:35:02.840 As ye have broken my bounded oaths

01:35:06.840 Never shalt thou Gunur the gold have joy of it 0.82

01:35:10.860 The dear-bought ring shall drag thee to death 0.99

01:35:15.200 Whereon thou swearest oath unto Sigurd

01:35:19.080 Ah, and in the days bygone

01:35:22.340 Great mirth in the home field 0.52

01:35:24.660 When my Sigurd set saddle on Grani 0.74

01:35:29.160 And they went their ways 1.00

01:35:31.800 For the wooing of Brynhild 0.99

01:35:33.560 An ill day, an ill woman 0.75

01:35:36.520 And the most ill hap 0.98

01:35:40.020 so she almost kind of besets a curse upon her brothers she's lamenting the death his body's 0.73

01:35:49.640 there and i've always kind of just seen this as um the women are there speaking to her as she's

01:35:56.560 sitting in her throne and sigurd's body is there covered in a shroud and one of them pulls the

01:36:03.100 And then enters Brynhild across the body of Sigurd.

01:36:12.420 Then spake Brynhild, may the women lack both love and children who gained greeting for thee, O Gudrun, who have thee this morning many words.

01:36:28.280 so now she's cursing the the people that have come to speak to her and now they're 0.90

01:36:35.720 right across from each other but gulron steps forward

01:36:43.400 hold peace of such words thou hated of all folk the bane of the brave men has thou

01:36:49.880 been ever. All waves of ill wash over thy mind. To seven great kings hast thou been sore sorrow,

01:37:00.920 and the death of good will to wives and women. Then spoke Grinhild,

01:37:07.720 None but Atli brought Baal upon us, my very brother born of Butli.

01:37:18.500 When we saw in the hall of the Hunnish people a gold and gleaming on the kingly gyukings, 0.86

01:37:26.520 I have paid for that, that fairing often full, and for the sight that when I saw by a pillar she stood and strained its wood to her, from the eyes of Brynhild, Butli's daughter flashed out fire and she snorted forth venom as the sore wounds she gazed on the dead slain Sigurd.

01:37:52.500 so she brings out a curse and says the the biggest mistake that she did was leaving the

01:38:02.560 kingdom of her people to go forth towards the cute kings and getting involved in any of this

01:38:08.500 at all but then when she moves to a pillar where she's able to see better she sees sigurd's body

01:38:18.140 and she

01:38:19.340 just her face contorts

01:38:23.000 with

01:38:23.500 hatred and venom.

01:38:30.740 I was wondering too if I could 0.97

01:38:32.960 use the restroom real quick on this one.

01:38:35.560 Negative.

01:38:37.260 I'm going to get one of those.

01:38:38.660 Yes, absolutely.

01:38:42.840 Absolutely.

01:38:44.200 I know we're moving in

01:38:45.460 like the really good stuff here. I know there's a lot of good material here and there's no need

01:38:50.500 to rush it or try to work your way through it with full bladder. So go do what you got to do

01:38:56.740 and we'll meet up with you here in a second. All right.

01:39:03.140 so nick the last question that you have over in the private chat i don't understand the context

01:39:20.420 you're gonna have to give me a little bit more in there if you would the raymond bufflin one yeah

01:39:25.540 that's not a question that's just a comment from me oh okay well i didn't understand all right

01:39:30.340 cool make data smart alec nope no worries that happens from time to time um

01:39:39.140 so i'm taking some questions and trying to pick the ones that we don't necessarily need spawn on

01:39:44.260 uh is uh morris taylor asks is there a germanic version of the afa or recommended sources the afa

01:39:51.140 seems more nordic than germanic so as i mentioned earlier in the show that's intentionally so um

01:40:00.340 germanic source material that's in german or some kind of proto-german is very hard to come by

01:40:10.580 um the most complete and best version of our lore that we have available to us

01:40:17.500 is uh in the nordic and so that's why we base our language and our understandings on the norse

01:40:26.500 collection of lore and the Norse myth cycle. Now, as I said earlier, the Germanic gods and

01:40:40.520 traditions are the Norse gods and traditions are the Aryan gods and traditions. As they migrate, 0.96

01:40:48.100 you're going to get regional differences due to linguistics, due to just time, and due to the

01:40:53.900 individual relationships that different subsets of our folk develop between them and the divine.

01:41:03.860 We certainly utilize and let Germanic sources inform our practice and add to the dimensionality

01:41:11.300 of what we do, but no, there's not a Germanic equivalent. Everything that I've seen that was

01:41:17.640 in german or german focused was reintroducing and like re-germanizing the norse material so

01:41:29.460 all roads to this do lead uh to the eddas and to the norse material and that's why we use them

01:41:37.300 i don't believe there's any um any equivalent or anything that is you know germanic specific

01:41:44.060 as far as a religious body as far as material on Germanic practice it's really hard to come by

01:41:53.760 a lot of that isn't so much in terms of writing or myth cycles so much of that is fragmentary

01:42:03.760 based on archaeology or based on what Roman authors would write about Germanic peoples.

01:42:16.800 We see a little bit of that in Caesar's commentaries on the Gaelic Wars. We see that

01:42:22.960 in certainly in Tacitus' Germania. We see some of that in Tacitus' Annals that he wrote about

01:42:32.880 history of his time. It's really hard to come by because we don't have any German sources

01:42:41.160 of the time that talk about it. So the best we have is what the Germanic tribesmen practiced

01:42:47.280 through the lens of their enemies or at, you know, most generously, I guess, outsiders

01:42:58.260 on their borders so while we do try to take that and take the archaeology of that in a in a holistic

01:43:05.220 understanding to flesh out our religious practice and our understanding of our myths that's why we

01:43:12.260 rely on the norse source material and the norse nomenclature so heavily

01:43:28.260 Finn Wraith wants to know what kind of rituals do you know can be done alone? So, from our

01:43:41.160 understanding, Ausatru continues to be and was always very much a communal practice.

01:43:50.760 The idea of the solitary practitioner was always the exception due to circumstance and not the rule or not the ideal.

01:44:00.840 Now, I believe that individual people have always had relationships with the gods and particularly with their ancestors in personal ways.

01:44:13.460 Oftentimes in like hearth cult things and family practice, certainly that happened.

01:44:19.220 And certainly individuals when they were far from home called out to the gods for comfort or for help.

01:44:28.300 But as far as what rituals can be performed individually, the most common thing we talk about is making offerings at your altar.

01:44:39.720 I think that even in the best circumstance, when you have a lot of Hoff practice, it's valuable and important for your family to have individual, you know, small scale practices all the time, for example, and this is just kind of what I do, a bunch of people do different things. And here's, here's the, the answer to your question.

01:45:04.720 you can do a great number of ritual things you can ritualize even you know seemingly

01:45:13.980 ordinary things as long as it's done with a seriousness with an intentionality and with a

01:45:21.260 piety there's a lot you can do I know that some people have a ceremony that they kind of do each

01:45:29.120 day when they put on their hammer. I know there are some people that will do a greeting to the

01:45:35.540 day if they're early risers. If they're morning people, they will go out and perhaps greet the

01:45:40.640 sun. They'll usually do that with the cedrifamol prayer that is fortuitously, you know, expressed

01:45:49.560 in this saga. Most commonly stuff that I do is simple. I do meal blessings, you know, often

01:46:02.280 because again, my wife and I kind of graze and have different macronutrient plans and we don't

01:46:10.040 do the formal like breakfast, lunch, dinner thing often together. We do it if it's a special

01:46:15.880 occasion if we're having people over or you know maybe if we're eating out somewhere but to take a

01:46:21.560 moment before you eat and to bless the food to give thanks to acknowledge and again so much of

01:46:29.560 the point of it i think people it's really important that you have a clear intention with

01:46:37.000 what you do so there's a thought to blessing the food to make its consumption something sacred and

01:46:45.000 And I think we do that when we're at a gathering and it's a communal feast at an observance towards one of our gods when we're doing it at a half, when we're doing it in that context.

01:46:56.500 But when it's just breakfast, or it's just dinner, or it's just a meal with your family, the point is to be thankful and aware of your position in relation to divinity, to recognize the blessings in your life, to recognize your family existing in troth with the Isir, and to express that in something.

01:47:18.280 It certainly doesn't have to be some kind of, you know, making yourself less to make the gods more.

01:47:32.000 The gods are great and they are not amplified by you, you know, expressing submission.

01:47:37.720 It's not about that.

01:47:39.020 it's about just acknowledging that you appreciate what's before you and that you celebrate your

01:47:46.820 trough to the Iser and your family's loyalty, reaffirming that loyalty to our gods. And that's

01:47:52.560 a special thing to do. And it's an easy thing to do with just your family at a meal blessing.

01:47:59.580 Lawspeaker Turnage has like a cool rhyming one that he does. And I think Svan's familiar with

01:48:05.660 that one. I never can remember it. I've always been much more speak from the heart on those

01:48:11.380 kind of things. And I say that not to, it's beautiful to have something that's nice and

01:48:16.580 poetic. We all have different ways that you're going to, especially for children, more authentically.

01:48:21.200 And yes, children can remember a meter and a poetry in a better way. So that's a really good

01:48:33.160 law speaker Alan Turnage. We bless this food to might and main our bodies needs to fill to keep

01:48:39.380 us hearty, whole, and hail so we may work our will. Ancestors guide us, walk beside us, help us in our

01:48:46.000 needs. Keep us on the path that's true because we are our needs. Hail the gods. That's a very simple

01:48:53.120 and eloquent one. And we say, my children added on to that. They said, hail the gods, hail the

01:49:00.800 ancestors hail the folk hail the afa and then they eat so they even built on to it i tend to um

01:49:13.360 model mine after what i saw our founder steve mcnallen do when i came to our first afa event

01:49:19.200 i'll do the hammer sign in the sign of the hammer and the holy names of odin balder fray and thor

01:49:25.280 may this food be blessed you this is a version of what i do again it's from the heart so it can

01:49:32.140 be kind of random but may this food be blessed may you know wherever we're at if we're in my home

01:49:38.740 may our home be blessed may our friends and family around the table be blessed and may we

01:49:45.540 you know may this meal bring us together and you know whatever the purpose for the day might be

01:49:53.380 That's also a time I might acknowledge people if there's guests or something that way.

01:50:00.120 And then just simply, you know, hail the I see her, hail the folk, hail the AFA, and then we'll eat our food.

01:50:05.780 So something very simple.

01:50:11.800 So.

01:50:15.220 Sorry, my daughter came to me. 1.00

01:50:16.760 She she's got hiccups. 1.00

01:50:18.320 Wish I knew a magical healing charm for the hiccups.

01:50:21.720 I would use it on myself sometimes, but I do not, alas.

01:50:26.040 Another thing you can do by yourself, and this is something that we often do,

01:50:30.240 we'll come before the altar, we'll light some candles on it,

01:50:33.720 we'll light some incense that Aubrey chooses usually,

01:50:38.060 and we'll just stand before the altar and we'll pray.

01:50:43.980 And it's something simple.

01:50:45.060 It's often just an example of kind of how we do it.

01:50:49.200 and I say this, you can insert anything you want here, but I think there's a hesitancy for people

01:50:54.280 if they don't see an example or know what people do. I'll say something to the effect of hail the

01:50:59.780 Iser. Thank you for all that you've done for us and for our family. Please help us to be strong

01:51:06.620 and healthy and victorious. Please help us to get to know you better. Please help us to always make

01:51:13.800 you proud hail the ice ear and then we'll blow out the candles something simple like that she

01:51:19.560 remembers it she can often say a lot of it if we're going through something as a family that

01:51:24.480 we're we're dealing with or that we need help with or you know we'll include that but all of

01:51:31.480 those things not only can you do but i would encourage you to do

01:51:35.100 i think that doing them repetitively and

01:51:44.780 building the habit is really important but i also think you can do them anytime in any place

01:51:54.460 that it's an appropriate you know that your intention is is there and is necessary i always

01:51:59.120 make an offering and make a prayer before i go on victory never sleeps

01:52:03.580 uh that i can be victorious and uh that i get blessed with wisdom and wit and that i am helped

01:52:12.720 to guide the folk home and that my actions and my words make the icier proud uh and i'll ask

01:52:20.040 sometimes lord odin or whoever depending on the day to to help me in those things um but again

01:52:29.940 there's there's not there's a lot of right ways to do it but those are some examples of rituals

01:52:34.340 you can do yourself um i know people that again because of their situation maybe they're not

01:52:46.020 members maybe they don't have a gofee near them that will do rituals for other things

01:52:53.620 we always encourage people to reach out to our gothar so they can help

01:52:57.620 fulfill that part of their duty and be there for our folk in that way but um there are things that

01:53:04.660 we could guide folks through if there's the need to uh you know do a house blessing or a womb

01:53:11.300 blessing or a number of things in that regard so reach out and we can help you with that

01:53:18.180 but spawn the question was um i can go back up to it but basically what are some rituals that people

01:53:25.940 that can be done alone do you have any thoughts on that um yeah i mean obviously the food blessing

01:53:34.020 is a great one it's great one for children um there are certain people i've met um and i

01:53:41.780 honestly they take a much more ritualistic sense in the morning they do a a morning prayer um i

01:53:50.180 actually end up kind of doing it at the gym in the sauna like while i'm preparing for

01:54:00.260 just working out the the the mundane and and the spiritual kind of greatly synchronize in my life

01:54:10.260 a lot and i think too that's having small children and it's just crazy doing things i have uh i have

01:54:18.980 a harrow and a godstead at my work um and uh it has caused no issues even with my deeply deeply

01:54:30.100 christian uh clients um uh to have a statue of lord odin there at my um at my work so

01:54:40.180 So there's little things that you can do to open up more.

01:54:47.760 I think also observing, and this is something that, to be honest too, this is, okay, this

01:54:54.940 is something I do smaller bloats randomly sometimes based on events in my life.

01:55:00.940 But one thing that I really want to open up more to is veneration of our heroes in a just simply more of a knowledge sense and I can't explain it.

01:55:26.380 It's like there's chances for us to give thanks and gifts to the holy gods, to our ancestors, who I do reach out to a lot, especially after midsummer, but also to our heroes.

01:55:43.400 And as our heroes are expanding, we have so much more of an ability now to reach out and give thanks to them beyond the veil and kind of build those relationships and remember them again.

01:56:03.460 So looking at those, I think, would be first.

01:56:07.340 um so if you're looking for reasons to hold the bloat because some people are like

01:56:12.920 i don't really have a reason to hold the bloat the other is simply to give um

01:56:20.100 holding a bloat and pouring a a bottle of mead and horn and sharing it with the gods sharing

01:56:30.040 it with your ancestors and that's a big one because it's harder sometimes for folk that are

01:56:37.640 coming from christianity to wrap their mind around all of this so by them sharing a horn with their

01:56:47.960 ancestors they suddenly begin to realize and they do gain that that interaction so placing themselves

01:56:59.160 in the horn, placing the gift into the bowl, and then taking the bowl outside and simply

01:57:06.480 reverently giving it over is the first step for whatever or whoever you're wishing to honor.

01:57:16.540 To sound a little bit, I don't know, new agey or whatever on it, I think this is honest.

01:57:29.160 So a lot of things are about energy and about connectedness and about degrees of separation.

01:57:43.160 Your answer, so, and Svan mentioned this to, or just kind of to the, to a degree on this being a thing.

01:57:53.260 it is a from somebody who is from either another a different religious background

01:58:02.240 or who's an atheist or or just agnostic and non-religious at all 0.76

01:58:08.260 having them go from there is no such thing as the divine to uh full trough in the isere is a big

01:58:19.560 jump and it's great if that's a jump they want to make but it is a step in the right direction

01:58:28.280 believing that the isir exists is further removed from them in a conceptual way

01:58:34.920 but their ancestors certainly exist most of them especially if they're you know in midlife or older

01:58:43.880 you know perhaps they know ancestors that have passed beyond the veil that they knew them in

01:58:48.120 life they know very well that their grandma existed and one of the things that is a fundamental

01:58:54.920 that's hard to deny everybody inherently has an ancestor worship

01:59:05.240 some of the most christian people in the world you know at moments when they're down or when

01:59:11.160 there's something in their family or on a on a holiday or something they remember

01:59:15.000 just instinctively and maybe not even thinking anything of it they see a picture of their mother

01:59:20.120 or their grandmother on the wall and okay love you mom i miss you um man i wish you were here

01:59:27.240 right now whatever the case is people talk to their ancestors humankind has done that since

01:59:34.560 the dawn of time we all inherently seek that know that exists even non-religious people pretty much

01:59:43.260 any people talk about near-death experiences where loved ones come to meet them that's a thing

01:59:51.740 and building upon that is a really good start to the practice of alsatru is taking any kind of

02:00:00.460 i don't know mixed feelings or confliction about that like no that's good that's appropriate lean

02:00:06.980 into that is a really good way for a lot of people to start practicing our faith

02:00:11.820 um swan go ahead i wanted to say there was something in the chat um trend trend or tree

02:00:23.340 nerdify um was speaking about um weather filming and the the the uh eagle and the hawk um and it

02:00:34.940 It is my belief, and again, this is debated and discussed amongst the Gotar, but it's of my belief that this is the ascendant soul of Bor and Bestla,

02:00:53.940 that Nidhogr is the descended soul of Ymir

02:00:59.480 and the, and Ratataskr is the freed heart of Adumla.

02:01:08.680 So do with that what you will.

02:01:13.060 I know that's throwing a.

02:01:15.420 So those are interesting things to ponder.

02:01:20.420 and i don't find any of those things to be you know heretical or or not there and i think that

02:01:28.100 one thing that is that is orthodoxy and something that we do uh absolutely believe is symbolically

02:01:38.660 the eagle is a bird of ascendancy and i think we use that in our iconography we see that in our

02:01:49.940 lore and we as the afa um coalesce around that in a way that the eagle is the soul ascending to

02:02:01.060 something more than it is and it goes into some other questions that we have in the in the queue

02:02:06.740 tonight but i do want to get a little bit further with our material um as we hit the eight o'clock

02:02:14.500 hour i think that finishing tonight is not going to happen but i think that finishing um on two

02:02:21.780 weeks from now will happen first i can say that we will finish two weeks from now if we have to

02:02:26.580 be up all night we'll make that happen part seven will be the final part in this particular series

02:02:32.100 i would like to get through a little bit more tonight but there are some good questions popping

02:02:36.580 up yeah there's a lot here's another thing that i'm putting out there because it is timely

02:02:41.300 we live in a very confused world. And I say this because I want to clear up

02:02:49.520 questions that people have, not because anybody in our chat room is asking.

02:02:57.020 So we,

02:02:58.420 someone was apparently misinformed or confused to this

02:03:09.080 and angrily accused us or disgruntledly accused us

02:03:15.060 of being biased against people who are addicted to child pornography.

02:03:20.020 Yes, the AFA is unequivocally biased against people

02:03:24.960 who express or possess sexual urges or feelings towards children be that in consuming materials

02:03:42.480 or in practice in the physical world those things are at best very dangerous mental illness

02:03:57.120 straight to the beach at straight to the death but even with that those things are

02:04:02.880 are evil in some of its most distilled and like disgusting form. And we want to be as

02:04:18.020 far away from those things and people who have those desires and those expressions as

02:04:25.640 humanly possible. So we are absolutely biased against that in all forms and shapes of it.

02:04:34.200 It's one of those things that ought to go without saying, but in the wolf age, sometimes things

02:04:39.720 need to be said. So do not be confused. Those things are wholly and totally unacceptable,

02:04:48.200 as is the support of those things.

02:04:51.260 I was actually talking about this kind of list,

02:04:56.640 a listing to my wife and we were talking about oath breakers and we were 1.00

02:05:00.880 talking about kin slayers and there was like,

02:05:03.940 what's above a kin slayer? And I was like pedophiles. 0.66

02:05:08.440 Well, and so I, and I'll extend that to a further note.

02:05:11.460 so there are some things that are hard lines on membership in the astro folk assembly and i know

02:05:21.460 that sometimes maybe we're not as exclusive as other people would have us be but the big

02:05:26.740 reasons for exclusion are very often um safety and existential in their nature

02:05:41.460 so you have to be a heterosexual white person and we've said that um the heterosexual piece

02:05:49.540 of that goes along with this exact thing homosexuality not always but often tends to

02:06:01.060 disproportionately often tends to lend itself to and lead to child predation that 0.86

02:06:07.540 is not okay and we can't have around, but also, crimes and criminal history of cruelty.

02:06:17.820 Because, and in a similar way, there are crimes of circumstance or crimes where,

02:06:24.780 you know, you could see in a certain circumstance or under a certain set of conditions,

02:06:31.400 the behavior would be justified it's why there's mitigating factors it's why there's you know a

02:06:38.580 discussion of it in general but there's certain things that are inherently broken in a person

02:06:46.560 psychologically and we look at cruelty crimes to where you are victimizing children where you are

02:06:54.000 victimizing women in a cruel way where you're victimizing elders where you're victimizing 0.55

02:06:59.660 animals to where you're expressing a sadistic joy at the misfortune of things weaker than you

02:07:11.260 there's often the and i guess this goes to a broader kind of meta theme and i'm sorry some

02:07:18.060 of this is a result from internal conversations in leadership because of other things going on

02:07:23.260 so i want to express them here because it's important to express things as they come up

02:07:28.060 and i thought this was in the chat no no i tried to sign on immediately but i say this every um

02:07:38.780 for every question we get there are dozens of questions that someone either doesn't feel

02:07:46.300 comfortable asking or people wonder about and just don't get the opportunity to ask

02:07:50.620 so i want to make sure we put all the things out there um

02:07:53.900 we equivocate or trying to think of the most fair way to put this there is a tendency now

02:08:05.180 to recognize that a lot of behavior is mental illness and i won't dispute that it means

02:08:13.980 something is ill unwhole or broken mentally in people that do some of these behaviors

02:08:19.100 I don't think that negates the action of being evil and reprehensible.

02:08:30.180 I don't think that just because something can be expressed as a mental illness that it makes it not evil and bad

02:08:40.720 and something that we should steer completely away from exile from our presence or eradicate

02:08:52.240 if that is the situation we're presented with and i think it's important to note that something can

02:08:58.800 be a mental illness and also be completely unacceptable and not sympathetic people hear

02:09:06.640 illness and they think there's an inherent um need for or call to sympathy and i don't think

02:09:17.120 that's the case right it's not right to have the people who are whole and healthy be victimized

02:09:24.560 by the unhealth of other people whether it's you know whatever that case might be

02:09:30.080 that is toxic to our flourishing and being successful as a society

02:09:36.640 And certainly as a as a religious body. And I'll answer this question because it follows up here.

02:09:42.940 And then I do want to get back to the lore. But Scott Thatcher says, does the AFA believe homosexuality is a mental illness? 0.76

02:09:49.840 Yes. And what's more, it is a dangerous mental illness. 1.00

02:09:54.500 And specifically, male homosexuality is particularly dangerous and particularly inclined towards child predation and something that we will do our very best to prevent from being around our children. 0.97

02:10:14.980 And not to bring the mood down, it's just a confusion that apparently some people might have out there.

02:10:20.900 So I wanted to make sure that was made very clear.

02:10:24.500 Svon, I suppose it's apropos to the month of June.

02:10:31.600 Svon, if you take us back to our lore.

02:10:34.560 Well, and I think too, sometimes people, I wonder if people are asking because they're trying to validate some point.

02:10:40.920 But again, the nature of their question kind of shows their point or where they're coming from.

02:10:49.680 And it's good to just be able to be like, no, you shall not pass.

02:11:00.420 Okay, so we are at chapter 32, right?

02:11:05.660 The ending of Brimhild, the original lover of Sigurd,

02:11:12.620 but was setting the fire around her hall and said anyone and knowing in her heart Sigurd was the

02:11:24.260 only one that could do it but then all of a sudden Gunnar comes across but it's actually Sigurd in

02:11:31.340 uh spell disguise so and that's what starts the tragedy of all of this and I think it's also I

02:11:39.380 I was thinking about this when I did the restroom break. To the tragedy of all of this unfolding,

02:11:50.340 we have to remember that Simon Durr and Snorri Stutlason,

02:11:57.700 um they were again exhibitioning the entirety the corpus of nordic lore the one of the major points

02:12:12.040 they were trying to uh iterate was that the nordic lore was on equivalent with the great classics

02:12:23.560 like Iliad and the Odyssey. So you see this tragedy and so much of this outpouring and

02:12:35.020 poetic mixture with storytelling is placed out there with that in mind. And I think it's important

02:12:44.340 for the readers and anybody involved to just to know that. And so there is kind of a great

02:12:51.360 sense between the triangle between Ulysses and Sybil and the love and tension there.

02:13:06.100 So I think there is a great sense.

02:13:08.520 I'm not saying he added anything.

02:13:10.040 I'm just saying as a poet, he most likely turned up the volume on that to express the

02:13:19.860 ideas that may have by his time only been in poetic form or greatly diminished. So

02:13:28.980 and now none might know for what cause Brynhild must bewail with weeping for what she had prayed

02:13:45.080 for with laughter but she spoke so she was vile she is vile in her revenge and absolutely thorough

02:13:58.680 but then she befalls such a dream i had gunner as that my bed was a cold and that thou dist

02:14:12.360 Fried into the hands of thy foes, lo now ill shall it go with thee and all thy kin, O ye breakers of oaths, for on the day thou slayest him, dimly didst thou remember how thou didst blend blood with the blood of Sigurd.

02:14:39.800 So now, not only are you an oathbreaker, you are a kinslayer.

02:14:47.940 And that, again, harkens back to the church's view on the true dichotomy of Lord Odin and the kinslayer, Loki.

02:15:04.940 So,

02:15:34.940 that in venom had been made hard.

02:15:40.120 So she's referring to the knight

02:15:44.080 that he stayed there with her,

02:15:45.860 but now he was married.

02:15:48.900 And so he refused to have any ill intentions.

02:15:54.400 So he laid a sword between them

02:15:57.920 to ensure no movement between each other.

02:16:04.940 All too soon did ye fall to working wrong against him and against me, whenas I abode at home with my father, and had all that I would, and had no will, that any of you should be any of mine.

02:16:24.080 As ye rode into your guard, ye three kings together, but then Atlee led me apart privily and asked me if I would not have him who rode grani.

02:16:42.400 Sigurd is what she's saying.

02:16:44.080 Yes, a man no wise like unto you, but in those days I plighted myself to the son of King Sigmund, and no other, and lo, now, no better shall ye fare for the death of me. 0.92

02:17:01.760 Then her husband Gunnu stood up and laid his arms about her neck

02:17:10.140 And besought her to live and to have wealth with him

02:17:14.840 And all others in likewise

02:17:17.760 Ledded her from dying

02:17:20.420 But she thrust them all from her

02:17:24.100 And said that it was not part of any to let her in that which was her will

02:17:31.220 Then Gunnar called to Hogni and prayed him for counsel and bade him to go to her.

02:17:41.020 Again, Gunnar is using his brothers as intermediaries to bridge these gaps that he is not brave enough to bridge himself.

02:17:55.260 It started with the fire, he had Sigurd, and then the slaying of Sigurd with his youngest brother, and now Hogni, the only one left.

02:18:05.880 He calls Hogni to his council and bade him to go to her and see if she might perchance soften her dreadful heart, saying withal that now they had need enough on their hands in the slacking of her grief till time might get over.

02:18:30.860 It had been long enough.

02:18:32.020 But Hogni answered, Nay, let no man hinder her from dying or no gain will she be to us, nor has she been gainsome since she came hither

02:18:49.100 So she's better off a loss than trying to win her back over 0.60

02:18:54.900 And again, the venom and the soothsaying, now she bade bring forth much gold. 0.98

02:19:07.600 She bid, she made a bidding, she asked, she bade bring forth much gold and bade all those come thither who would have wealth. 0.54

02:19:20.160 Then she caught up a sword and thrust it under her armpit and sank aside upon the pillows and said, come, take gold, whoso will.

02:19:36.340 But all held their peace and she said, take the gold and be glad thereof. 0.87

02:19:43.140 So she gathers all her wealth and she takes, she has all the people in front of her. And then she slays herself. She presses the blade into her, into her armpit and through and into the, past the rib cage. 0.94

02:19:59.880 And she's dying and says, go, take it, take it all

02:20:05.960 And therewith she spoke to Gunnar

02:20:09.340 Now for a little while will I tell of that which shall come to pass hereafter

02:20:14.980 So now she's entering into another state of soothsay

02:20:19.920 For speedily shall ye be at one again

02:20:26.340 With Gudrun by reed of Grimhild the wise wife

02:20:31.960 And the daughter of Gudrun and Sigurd

02:20:35.120 Shall be called Svartlade

02:20:38.080 The fairest of all women born 0.99

02:20:41.740 Gudrun shall be given to Atli 0.91

02:20:45.360 Yet none with her good will

02:20:48.140 Thou shalt be fain to get Adhrun 0.91

02:20:54.200 But that shall Atli forbid thee

02:21:00.140 But privily shall ye meet

02:21:03.680 And much shall she love thee 0.91

02:21:06.980 Atli shall beray thee 0.99

02:21:09.920 And cast thee into a worm clothes 0.99

02:21:13.300 And thereafter shall Atli and his sons be slain 0.97

02:21:18.660 And Gudrun shall be their 0.97

02:21:21.940 their slayer

02:21:24.340 and afterwards

02:21:25.900 shall the great waves

02:21:28.020 bear her to the berg

02:21:30.000 of king

02:21:31.180 to whom she

02:21:35.500 shall bear sons

02:21:37.460 of great fame

02:21:38.660 Svanhild shall be

02:21:41.480 sent from the land 1.00

02:21:43.800 and given to king 1.00

02:21:45.860 Iormannrek

02:21:48.980 and 1.00

02:21:50.460 her her shall bite the reed of biki so she will i guess biting the reed biting the council she 0.98

02:22:03.480 shall spurn the council of biki and therewithal is the kin of you clean gone and more sorrow 0.97

02:22:11.820 And there's a lot to process in that, but just the synopsis is that his sister will go and be forced into marriage, and she will end up slaying Atli and his sons. 0.94

02:22:33.080 and that the rest of his line shall be splayed out

02:22:39.420 and will be ruined by their own actions and follies.

02:22:46.320 It just ends up...

02:22:48.080 So it's worth noting, too, that this story takes place

02:22:53.140 in a setting 800 years previous to this telling.

02:22:57.820 so they use the setting and the characters of um a very ancient even to them period amongst our

02:23:09.780 folk that still remembered with the hunnic invasion uh jormen rake is associated with

02:23:17.940 the ostrogoth king ermen rick who died while abandoned by one of his you know tribal allies

02:23:26.340 in the Hunnic invasion. So, I mean, these events that they're talking about and the setting they're

02:23:32.940 placing this in is already deep in the folk memory of our people. And that's, you know, just another

02:23:40.000 point to note on the telling of this story. Yeah. And if that's not understood, I mean,

02:23:45.420 Shakespeare was working with, you know, Macbeth and Titus and creating whole enraptured stories.

02:23:53.920 there were elements of history but again it's uh common in the sense but more impressive

02:24:04.560 because our our ancestors were speaking these stories formulating them at this point this is

02:24:11.120 stories told around the campfire for 800 years that's like us now if there was nothing really

02:24:23.280 written down and it was just stories told about roughly um king richard the lionheart

02:24:33.600 stuff in the the you know angevin empire is about as far as this far away from us as this is to the

02:24:42.000 writer actually us to the writer of this saga is about equal to the writer of this saga to you know

02:24:52.240 the invasions of attila the hun crazy um brinhild of course is also her vengeance towards sigurd

02:25:07.680 i think is waning now the the emotion that's left is the emptiness the sorrow but she is still

02:25:15.360 dishing out

02:25:16.360 her

02:25:19.040 truth saying

02:25:21.580 if you will which she also does

02:25:23.460 in the beginning of the story

02:25:25.360 so she says

02:25:29.500 and now I pray thee

02:25:31.220 Gunnar one last boon

02:25:33.680 let

02:25:35.540 make a great bail

02:25:37.520 on the plain needs

02:25:39.620 for all of us

02:25:41.660 for me and for

02:25:43.740 Sigurd, and for those who were slain with him, and let that be covered over with cloth, dyed red by the folk of the Gauls.

02:25:56.520 Again, making reference to this, and, you know, these, at this time, I would even think, too, in Scandinavia, they would not know the Gauls.

02:26:09.460 they would know the they would be it would be frank alum and the land of the franks and so

02:26:16.500 that's even more interesting but also the burial shroud being dyed red with red uh ochre uh

02:26:27.780 crushed and and placed over um i think okay here because we're waxing poetic on this um

02:26:40.340 don't believe the hype there is a common trope in western history to talk about the dark ages

02:26:51.140 as lit as if from the fall of rome till the renaissance there is some kind of ooga booga mud hut

02:27:01.780 ignorance that fell upon europe and that's not the case

02:27:05.460 the medieval period and the early medieval period saw the constant influx and you know

02:27:17.140 interchange of troubadours and poets and scalds throughout europe

02:27:24.900 throughout the mediterranean throughout europe to the british isles to scandinavia and clearly

02:27:32.100 at this point to iceland with um you know simon there and sonori so this idea that there was some

02:27:42.980 kind of like there was smart people in rome and then there were smart people at the renaissance

02:27:50.260 but then there was all these you know savages in the period in between is not the case

02:27:57.300 it was a flourishing of art of culture of beautiful warrior tradition the rise of knighthood

02:28:05.140 the exchange of history between these different courts of different kings and nobles that were

02:28:13.060 patrons of the arts you have dukes and counts and fans and jarls that would bring in people to tell

02:28:21.860 stories and sing songs and share history these are the same people that would go you know from

02:28:27.540 the courts of the frankish empire of charlemagne and they would travel to the courts of jarls and

02:28:33.940 in scandinavia or to anglo-saxon courts in the british isles and tell these stories and these

02:28:40.420 tales so there was a whole lot of knowledge exchange there and just because there's a lack of

02:28:45.540 of maybe source material for historians.

02:28:49.980 We have a tendency to project our own sour grapes

02:28:54.700 onto other periods of time,

02:28:56.900 but no, this is a very rich period

02:28:59.160 of the development of European identity

02:29:01.460 and European culture.

02:29:03.520 It's telling that Charlemagne's greatest biographer

02:29:08.760 biographer and like court wise man and uh scald i guess for lack of a better term was alkiwin who

02:29:19.480 was a anglo-saxon from england that came over to serve in his court there was constant travel

02:29:25.720 between distant points in europe to rome and back there was there was a lot of interchange of

02:29:33.240 history of knowledge of song of story uh during this time so i think it's wrong and unfair to

02:29:41.080 our ancestors to paint this as you know a barbarous ooga booga period of our history that was that's

02:29:49.080 far from the case another thing to consider too is um european christianity and i say that very

02:29:57.160 directly, is that the advancements of unification under the banner of Christianity by Europeans,

02:30:06.920 and that's the significant part, is the Europeans now are all unified in philosophy and cause.

02:30:16.160 I do not believe that that philosophy and cause was the entirety of that reasoning,

02:30:22.260 but that it was more the European mind is now unified.

02:30:28.260 I think our ancestors before could have learned greatly,

02:30:34.260 and we are learning from those times now.

02:30:37.260 If our ancestors were writing more and doing these things,

02:30:43.260 but oral tradition was higher, and again,

02:30:47.260 Again, the foreign religion from Jerusalem was built around writing, so they had that sense, and we were doing oral poetry, and that's fine, but we should have learned.

02:31:05.080 I think we would have had more. We would have been able to perhaps withhold away from the influence of Christianity spreading in to the north. 0.96

02:31:17.940 But either way, and I do believe that the gods saw all of that coming, I believe what we're reading right now is an intentional seed formulated by the divine through and into the influence of a poet and a writer so that we can, again, and somebody had asked earlier, you know, is there a German form of the AFA or Ausatru?

02:31:47.940 And I, you know, yeah, we follow,

02:31:54.060 he said it seems more Nordic

02:31:56.320 and it's like the Nordic was the last vestige

02:32:00.580 of that connection.

02:32:02.280 So it all kind of funnels down into that.

02:32:06.800 And it's like asking, is there a funnel that doesn't funnel

02:32:11.260 that I think a lot of folks need to kind of come into

02:32:15.040 that you're not, if you're German, you're not play acting to be Norse. It's just that's the

02:32:21.680 last vestige of our faith. And that's very important. Yeah. And it's important to realize

02:32:30.880 it's interesting that you mentioned that this is not a Norse story. It is told by Norse

02:32:36.580 scalds but it's a burgundian story it's a gothic story um it's certainly a continental story um so

02:32:52.820 the as the tradition and faith of our people was pushed further and further to the fringes

02:32:59.700 so you asked okay as you can tell we're deviating far from just the written material tonight and

02:33:08.180 it's fine that's what we do on here and one of the reasons i love this show is it sparks conversation

02:33:13.540 that uh is meta so one of the sources you ask for something and it's not really a source of

02:33:23.500 germanic practice but it's a source of talking about the commonality of arian faith

02:33:29.160 i like to call it the wheel and the donkey it is called deep ancestors it's a really good book

02:33:40.620 if you are capable of omitting the author's politically correct preamble nonsense he did

02:33:49.100 exactly what snorty did in the beginning yeah he's like listen up dudes um this isn't about race

02:33:58.280 races whatever but it's about a common people with a common origin and a common language and common

02:34:09.480 you mean array in other words all of the things that equal race so after that period in the

02:34:17.560 introduction though it's a really well done book and it's one that is easily accessible

02:34:22.200 i think that the subject has been covered in different ways but it's the most accessible book

02:34:29.080 i think for that for folks and it expresses it really well and it talks about something called

02:34:34.680 the zealotry of the fringe and i think that's important to mention here

02:34:42.520 the further out from the center people go historically because they're not surrounded by

02:34:52.200 the the landmarks the history of their past they have to be very conscious of preserving their

02:35:03.800 heritage of celebrating their identity of building that anew because they can't take it for granted

02:35:12.040 because it's just sitting all around them whereas people who stay home and we get this a lot this

02:35:17.160 comes into play in modern house are true a lot when scandinavians or europeans want to thumb

02:35:23.320 their nose at americans and i assume that was on my end punchline is yeah but what you're doing with

02:35:39.400 it people who stay in some of the heartlands very often become complacent and take for granted

02:35:50.040 the stuff around them because it's there and you assume it'll always be there and i think we all

02:35:54.680 do that that's not a a slight at anyone but this idea of the zealotry of the fringe is the further

02:36:01.400 you go out to the frontiers the more you have to meticulously preserve your history preserve

02:36:09.160 your culture celebrate your identity in different ways because it's not taken for granted you see

02:36:15.400 that you are in a strange place you're in a new place you need to hold on to it iceland was one

02:36:21.080 of those enclaves to where it's not an old place geologically it's not even an old place

02:36:30.360 but as far as human habitation it's very new in terms of europe our people were there

02:36:38.360 relatively late and they're distant from those culture those like physical touchstones of their

02:36:44.200 history so they need to record them and celebrate them and preserve them and you see iceland to this

02:36:49.720 day doesn't like to allow in new words they like to construct them in icelandic rather than

02:36:57.880 incorporate latinized words or words from different cultures they want to codify their naming and

02:37:05.000 really preserve their history and you see that a lot as people move out towards the fringe

02:37:12.040 i've often talked about how

02:37:15.880 the founders of american aussitrew have because of their lack of holy sites surrounding them

02:37:23.480 they've had to build holy sites in their hearts and in their minds in terms of ideal ideas

02:37:30.200 innovations and practice because they are far removed from you know the lands of their ancestors

02:37:39.640 so they've had to maintain that in a different and a more hungry way and it's one of the reasons 0.93

02:37:46.360 that you see Ireland and Iran both identifying their place that they live as the home of the

02:37:57.880 arians the land of the arians you see that on the far reaches of the arian migrations of our people

02:38:05.000 before the discovery of the new world so consider that a lot of these tales kind of

02:38:12.120 push themselves out to those fringes as christianity

02:38:19.560 takes over and dominates the discussion in the mediterranean and further into the hinterland of

02:38:26.040 here. So Svon, take us back into the text before I irrevocably take us off track.

02:38:38.400 No, I'm letting you roll on it. I appreciate you letting me cook.

02:38:43.580 uh let's see so uh when we were um and now i pray to thee gunnar one last boon okay so she

02:38:56.640 then states um all that is to uh to come for gunnar um but oh sorry the second half she says

02:39:09.700 And now I pray thee, Gunnar, one last boon. Let make a great bale on the plain meads. Sorry, yes, and clothed red by the folk of the Gauls.

02:39:25.440 and there's interesting translation notes down at the bottom about the blood uh uh of red with

02:39:34.440 the blood of men um but i think they're they're referring to again burial and uh oh yeah that

02:39:42.740 just to bear in mind like what you just said about the fringes um here in in america in the united

02:39:51.120 states we have made sacred sites i mean we've built them now we've bought them and we have

02:39:58.640 collected them but um you know in sweden they can go and see these sacred sites but um one of the

02:40:07.540 things our religion does change and one of the perfect examples of that is burial to uh bale

02:40:16.560 fire or just burning and then burial again our faith does adapt based on things that are needed

02:40:26.080 uh during the migration period the the pyre burning is massive but then in iceland there's

02:40:33.040 not a lot of wood to just simply give up um that can't be utilized for other things so they return

02:40:41.440 back to burial mounds barrow mounts so our faith does adapt on concepts and that's what

02:40:48.400 one thing i wanted to point out as you were saying that um so uh and she said and let that be covered

02:40:59.200 with cloth dyed red by the folk of the gauls and burn me there on one side of the king of the huns

02:41:07.120 and on the other those men of mine two at the head and two at the feet and two hawks with all

02:41:15.520 and even so is all shared equally lay there betwixt us a drawn sword as in the other days

02:41:25.120 when we twain stepped into one bed together and then may we have the name of man and wife

02:41:34.160 so she's saying lay a sword between me and Sigurd's body and burn us there but pronounce us

02:41:44.240 you know or we will be because i don't even think she's really asking him at this point she's

02:41:50.300 basically just stating that this is going to happen united in life so they'll be united in

02:41:58.060 death and i think it's um it's worth noting a lot and i mean you guys can judge for yourself but

02:42:10.460 the poetry in this is beautifully done in a lot of different passages and i think this

02:42:16.380 is one of them that ties together the story in a really special way

02:42:20.300 yeah and the the tragedy of the sword itself grani is from lord odin and as it's placed in the tree

02:42:30.460 there's this uh series a long series of events of success and that but to her it's

02:42:39.660 just tragedy um so to have that between them again um so yeah and lay there betwixt us a

02:42:49.260 a drawn sword as in other days

02:42:52.020 when we twain stepped into one bed together.

02:42:56.320 And then may we have the name of man and wife,

02:43:00.380 nor shall the door swing to at heel of him

02:43:04.700 as I go behind him, 0.99

02:43:06.760 nor shall that be a niggered company 1.00

02:43:10.420 if there follows him those five bond women 0.99

02:43:14.820 and eight bond men whom my father gave me 0.85

02:43:18.520 and those burned there with all who were slain with Sigurd." 0.66

02:43:25.800 So now she's speaking of the retinue,

02:43:31.720 following or those who died with Sigurd

02:43:36.120 to be placed in the same burial with him and her.

02:43:44.720 And I just think it's interesting when the one part

02:43:48.120 she says um and um nor shall the door swing to at the heel of him as i go behind him so never will

02:44:01.240 he make entrance even in the burial mound without his true wife or true love making sure the door

02:44:12.040 doesn't close upon him.

02:44:18.580 Now more yet would I say,

02:44:22.260 but my words, but my life,

02:44:25.820 my breath flits and the wounds open.

02:44:30.160 Yet have I said sooth.

02:44:33.480 And remember sooth means truth.

02:44:39.180 Now is the dead corpse.

02:44:42.040 of sigurd arrayed in the old and wise and a mighty bale is raised and when it was somewhat kindled

02:44:51.720 so now they're they're raising the balefire um there was laid there on the dead corpse of sigurd

02:44:59.960 fafnir bain and his son of three winters whom brynhild had let slay and gutorm with all and

02:45:09.640 And when the bale was ablaze, thereunto was Brynhild borne out, when she had spoken with her bower maidens and bid them take the gold that she would give, and then died Brynhild and was burned there by the side of Sigurd, and thus their life days ended.

02:45:31.160 And I think, too, there is this huge understanding because kind of by this referencing in Iceland by the 14th century, the olden way was to hold the balefire of death.

02:45:51.060 you know there's the boon fire and there's the bale fire and the bale fire is for funerary but

02:45:58.700 you kind of see where there's this adherence to the story about burial and then there's kind of

02:46:08.200 this steering it back towards the concepts of this is what the the older days did so

02:46:17.340 you see these kind of two conversations going on um and then it doesn't stop it's the now Sigurd

02:46:28.140 and Brynhild are dead but Gudrun Sigurd's wife um is going to be married to at to uh Atlee and

02:46:40.940 this is all the starting process of what she had said.

02:46:48.600 Now so it is that whoso heareth these tidings saith that no such and one as was Sigurd was

02:46:59.480 left behind him in the world.

02:47:02.000 There was none of his equal or liking, nor ever was such a man brought forth because

02:47:09.180 of all the worth of him nor may his name ever minish by eld in in the dutch tongue nor in all

02:47:19.320 the north lands while the world standeth fast and again that's an interesting usage um especially

02:47:28.900 with that translation i would love to see if they specifically say dutch tongue because remember

02:47:35.920 to translations can be quite interesting. So of the Northlands, his name is not

02:47:48.920 utilized often. It's utilized for him. The story tells that on a day as Gudrun sat in her bower,

02:48:02.400 she fell to saying, better was life in those days when I had Sigurd, he who was far above other men

02:48:10.920 as gold is above iron, or the leak over the grass of a field, or the heart a deer over other wild

02:48:23.220 things, until my brethren begrudged me such a man, the first and best of all men, and so they might

02:48:32.760 not sleep, or they had slain him. Huge clamor made Grani when he saw his master and lord

02:48:44.880 sore wounded. And then I spoke to him even as with a man, but he fell drooping down to the earth

02:48:54.940 for he knew that Sigurd was slain. So the sword now, she is speaking about the sword as having

02:49:04.540 a spirit and having an understanding. It has accrued its own orlaw and that within it is

02:49:13.880 almost a separate spirit of um this item and it falls to the earth um

02:49:27.000 to yeah she returns the sword to stigard and uh it knew that that he was slain

02:49:33.960 thereafter gudrun gat her gone into the wild woods and heard on all ways around about her

02:49:44.280 the howling of wolves and deemed death merrier than life so she throws herself to the wilds

02:49:53.220 um in grief

02:49:54.880 um but she went on until she came to the hall of king

02:50:01.920 out and so flagging the play we were talking about his horse that went to death after him 0.91

02:50:11.200 oh no grom is the sorry prom is the sword granny is the horse

02:50:18.160 yeah i'm mixing things up terribly terribly sorry um don't apologize to me apologize to granny yeah

02:50:26.480 yeah exactly and again i just uh i don't know why i immediately think the sword gram um and

02:50:35.840 that while i was saying it too i was like wait a minute oh no um so his horse fell knowing that his

02:50:45.040 his master had been slain um then she went till she came to the hall of king alf and sat there

02:50:55.040 in denmark with thora the dar daughter of halkan for seven seasons and abode with good welcome

02:51:03.360 and she set forth her needlework before her and did there into many deeds and great

02:51:11.280 and fair plays after the fashion of those days swords and bernies and all the gear of kings

02:51:20.160 and the ship of the king of king sigmund sailing along the land i and they rot there there how

02:51:28.480 they fought cigar and sikir south in fion such was their disport and now gudrun was somewhat

02:51:39.680 solaced in her grief so one of the things i think too is really there are multiple people listening

02:51:46.320 to this story. There are children, there are warriors, and there are women, and there are

02:51:53.480 messages being passed to each group kind of in an individual sense that she ends up in another

02:52:02.320 kingdom, which could happen to women often. They're ending up in another household because of death 0.95

02:52:10.260 or pillaging or or war or what have you and the idea is that even though she's

02:52:18.340 grieving in her heart she puts herself forth to the duties of the house as the women were

02:52:26.100 expected to do in order to make the house you know move forward just as the men would

02:52:32.500 something that i think is interesting in

02:52:35.540 contemplating this is kind of the audience

02:52:42.580 it's easy for us to see this even um excuse me either in a

02:52:56.380 living room setting today with you know a group of of friends and family gathered around and

02:53:06.340 telling the story but it's also i don't know i think useful or immersive to think about this

02:53:14.460 in you know in a lord's hall at feasting and you're sitting there and you're you know people

02:53:22.420 are in their cups a little and you're in a in a hall surrounded by

02:53:30.340 your folk surrounded by your thane or your lord and his family your family you're sharing a meal

02:53:39.700 and you're spending an evening perhaps this you know cold winter outside and you're in a hall

02:53:45.140 and you're having this story told to you and it's told all at once and

02:53:52.420 over the course of evening you know you're drinking you're eating you're sharing your food you're

02:53:58.020 looking across the fire and across

02:54:03.940 the open area as this story is being told

02:54:09.540 and i think it's a it's just interesting to put yourself in that setting

02:54:15.060 and this is told not kind of you know it's not read from a book that's getting passed around in

02:54:21.300 a book study although that's maybe how you encounter it today but there's a scald speaking

02:54:27.780 this impassionably looking from table to table looking at his lord for approval making gestures

02:54:35.220 and embodying and there's a whole art to how this is presented in a court and as primitive as this

02:54:46.660 kind of a court might seem you see this throughout europe till relatively recently of a poet or a

02:54:57.380 musician or a storyteller coming in the court of the nobility and telling this and performing

02:55:05.300 the performative aspect even when you don't have a formal play but you have a skull

02:55:10.900 impassionately telling this story. And there's the art that a storyteller does that's so different

02:55:18.840 than just reading a book. They embody it. There's subtle emotions. There's eye contact. There's

02:55:25.580 things that are made with the audience to bring you in and keep everyone emotionally engaged.

02:55:32.620 One thing that I would love to see happen in modern Alcitru that I don't think you can just

02:55:38.620 forced to happen but i'd like to see is the flourishing of art in this kind of an expression

02:55:46.000 and you know a hail to our folk builder john rock he just recently had uh braggies fest in

02:55:56.480 indiana where he brought together people to share music that they composed um the idea of

02:56:04.860 having this rich storytelling poetic musical art form to share in the courts of

02:56:13.420 the the nobility of europe was really powerful for our folk and it strengthened our soul in a

02:56:20.600 really special way and i would love to see that flourish in the future i don't know what all's

02:56:27.800 in that for you guys blame it on the chianti i don't know but it's neat to not only

02:56:37.480 take in the story but think about the context that our ancestors would have received this story in

02:56:44.680 i actually had thoughts in that obviously this story the volsunga saga is very long

02:56:51.400 is very in-depth and it's one story i i can see that as being the grand scald at the court but

02:57:01.320 my yeah i also thought of like the eddas and the poetic eddas they're more fragmented there's they're

02:57:07.880 shorter etc etc i've always thought of them as kind of being like just your regular joe blow

02:57:14.040 bard over the over the centuries telling those stories like an open mic night at a pub or

02:57:18.600 something it's funny because all of those in between there's the court of a well-to-do land

02:57:27.000 owner that's got an estate and it's got serfs on his estate and sure there's that there's the court

02:57:36.680 of kings there's the court of emperors that would have you know this elevated by the greatest that

02:57:44.200 they have we read when we read uh ale saga you know he just washed ashore in england and happened

02:57:53.240 upon the king there and like cool come on in tell us a story he had a night to compose an epic poem

02:58:00.600 that he was able to relate i think there's a lot of art and uh artistry in the presentation of this

02:58:07.480 and i imagine you know a lot of it's memorized but you become so familiar with the story you probably

02:58:14.120 tell it different with different inflection and different emphasis in different courts

02:58:18.580 with, you know, some elements freestyled or, you know, catered to your audience.

02:58:26.440 There was an art to the skull.

02:58:29.940 There was an art to the bard that I don't think we currently have in the same way.

02:58:40.700 I'll say this about a former member and a guy that was really active in Ausatru for a long time.

02:58:47.320 I think he's stepped away from a lot of it to a degree, or maybe he's just gotten old.

02:58:51.960 But this guy, Pipper Skager, heard about this guy for a long time. 0.91

02:58:56.680 And I went to a bloat one time at Glad Time, which is a house that a group of Ausatru are in Maryland had purchased.

02:59:09.160 and they'd repurposed the living room of this house into you know a makeshift half space and

02:59:15.000 the downstairs was where we had uh stumble and i'd heard about this guy for a long time but each of

02:59:21.800 his um each of his rounds his toast was this very cadenced uh piece that he had composed for the

02:59:31.080 purpose and it was cool to have the work that he'd done on it to have the um the cadence

02:59:44.680 because we're sitting there and we're stomping and clapping and going as he recites this verse

02:59:49.720 in a very uh cadenced rhyming meter and it was really neat to see um it was neat to to be part

02:59:58.200 of that sometimes and every now and again and it's not the norm and i tell you what i sure don't do

03:00:02.520 it but sometimes at stumble we have someone who's composed a piece at uh um at austro we had

03:00:12.360 two people that had composed songs that they performed for us and i think that in the modern

03:00:18.760 day it comes in different forms but it's it's special and it's beautiful to see some of that i

03:00:26.360 I know our law speaker kind of initiated at Charming of the Plow or a Disa thing,

03:00:39.660 a Scaldic recitation period where a couple people went up,

03:00:45.960 one person had a musical piece they performed.

03:00:48.300 um alan had a uh a long quotation or a long piece of a speech that he recited for us

03:00:57.580 that was really special and i'm i'm glad that happens and i'd love to see more of that it's

03:01:03.020 it's a really special art that was very valuable to our ancestors that we're getting to partake

03:01:12.620 now of

03:01:13.860 again

03:01:16.840 I think

03:01:17.260 we will finish this section

03:01:21.080 I promise before the

03:01:23.060 night ends but one of the things

03:01:24.780 and I kind of harped on it a little bit earlier

03:01:26.680 but the Scaldic

03:01:28.960 tradition is what kept this

03:01:30.960 story alive and the history

03:01:33.120 contained in it alive

03:01:34.740 for 800 years at the

03:01:37.060 point where this was put down

03:01:38.600 and now for

03:01:40.600 an additional 800 years until you and I and all of us are sharing it this evening.

03:01:47.860 That history of storytelling, of recording history, of remembering and encoding in our

03:01:58.160 folk soul is so very valuable. And it's important that we do that to this day. And while I'm doing

03:02:05.360 it and while i'm i'm quaffing the chianti which thank you roy was a gift from one of our members

03:02:11.280 and a friend of mine i'd like to acknowledge our folk builder um chris savage he will be

03:02:18.240 joining me next week to talk about the loyal goths and their um opposition to christian

03:02:28.800 influx into gothia and we'll discuss that at length next week but chris has been working

03:02:36.260 with me a lot to try to preserve the history of modern ausitru and it might not be recited

03:02:42.020 in poetic form but at least getting the history down and remembered and written so we can

03:02:49.520 share with one another because preserving our history in this way be it through song

03:02:53.600 through story or through chronicling is essential to our folk soul and to future generations

03:03:01.180 to not only know but to take pride in where they came from so that is that is a long aside to our

03:03:09.740 story but I do think it's important and I think it's a real part of the expression of our folk

03:03:15.320 soul in a special way so Svon again before I take us too far off the course if you could bring us

03:03:23.020 back to the subject at hand okay so this is the uh the kind of end of sigurd and of um

03:03:37.180 brinhild but this is the life after with uh gunner and gudrun who are uh brother and sister

03:03:45.580 and but were involved in all of this and again it's all about her sooth coming into reality um

03:03:58.460 so guthrun runs into the wild woods but then ends up finding herself in a kingdom uh under king alf

03:04:08.620 and she works there and does needlework or clothing and fabric and she makes good of her

03:04:22.700 time there even though she is in grief but she's displaced. So it is then that Grimhild

03:04:33.260 comes to hear where Gudrun has taken up abode and she calls her sons to talk with her and asks

03:04:42.780 whether they will make atonement to Gudrun for her son and her husband and said that it was but

03:04:51.020 meet or again to gather and and the right to do then gunner spoke and said that he would atone

03:05:04.480 for her sorrows with gold so they send for their friends and array their horses their helms their

03:05:12.280 shields their chainmail coats and all were in war gear and their journey was furnished forth in the

03:05:21.320 noblest wise and no champion who was of the great men might abide at home so everyone had to join

03:05:30.440 in this was a huge draw and their horses were clad in mail coats and every night of them had

03:05:40.200 his helm donned over with gold or with silver and again this too that that clear connection between

03:05:49.000 the coat the the royal courts of the nordic antiquity and by the time of it being spoken here

03:05:58.200 they're being spoken of as great knights um and adorned um

03:06:04.440 um so i'd like to also make the historical note for those who are interested in such things there is a

03:06:19.080 there is an association between chivalry and christianity that i think is yeah

03:06:28.840 important to note that the

03:06:30.440 Jesus is anti-warrior, anti-nobility, anti-celebration of individual glory.

03:06:44.680 Christianity is kind of the antithesis of knighthood in a lot of ways.

03:06:49.740 But one thing that isn't antithetical to knighthood is piety.

03:06:55.640 And I think it's really interesting to note that warrior aristocracy, knighthood didn't come out of Christianity, but quite the opposite.

03:07:05.140 it the mounted warrior aristocracy of europe is what evolved into knighthood and for a long time

03:07:17.860 knighthood was frowned upon and kind of in an adversarial relationship with the church in a

03:07:27.540 in a catholic christian sense in europe part of that is because of the celebration of individual

03:07:34.900 glory, battlefield glory, tournament glory, the individual warrior distinguishing themselves by

03:07:41.820 their service, by their prowess, by their might. But these mighty warrior lords on horseback

03:07:50.020 demonstrating their prowess in the field of battle far predates Christian influence

03:07:57.200 and is a very much a pagan european development that is extremely relevant to the soul of

03:08:08.320 and to the survival of also true ethos in an ever christianizing world and it had it hung on for a

03:08:19.300 long time it's really interesting when you watch the differences between

03:08:26.740 Middle Eastern Jewish Christianity and Aryan warrior ethos and it took a very long time until 0.72

03:08:42.080 that broke down, and that breakdown, I mean, we see in the modern world. Throughout the medieval 0.72

03:08:49.540 age, the glorious tales of knights doing great deeds is very much an ausitru or a pagan one.

03:08:58.380 It's certainly not an inherently Christian one, even though there's obvious Christian overlays. 0.50

03:09:04.720 So I think it's always fun to imagine, you know, the surcoats of these knights displaying hammers and horns and, you know, swastika and other pagan symbols and not, you know, the Christian cross or various other Jesus accoutrement.

03:09:26.340 all and i i would really like to emphasize that point because you said about uh going forth in

03:09:33.700 relation to their houses most people on here right now are probably hearing

03:09:39.860 the the the bible verse that's been repeated over and over and over again

03:09:43.860 that do not think that i have come to bring peace to the earth i have not come to bring peace but a

03:09:50.100 sword in in the bible that and that's the only part they talk about and then everything after

03:09:57.860 that proves the point that you are saying he says for what to do with that sword right i have come

03:10:06.820 to set man against father and daughter against her mother and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law

03:10:15.060 And a person's enemies will be those of your own house.

03:10:20.080 So they never want to add that part in.

03:10:23.140 And they also don't want to add the part where Jesus' disciples actually pull a sword in his defense.

03:10:33.240 And he's like, no, no, no, not about that life.

03:10:38.540 again very very anti uh jesus about that warrior aristocracy life and whenever i see that verse i

03:10:50.980 see that tiny little blurb and they never bring up the other point and the reason too is because 0.90

03:10:57.060 they're all jewish and the idea of who a messiah is is going to divide them and that's what that 0.81

03:11:05.920 verse is all about but they have a tendency to just throw that first hand in and

03:11:10.900 and a point I want to make too there's some people that have a hang up with the word worship

03:11:16.380 and worship is not a Hebrew word it's an Arian word that means to apply worth to

03:11:26.800 but the reason it's so appalling to Christianity is it is honor bestowed amongst oftentimes mortals

03:11:40.180 and men you would talk in knightly literature when you read um you know medieval epics

03:11:48.820 knights talk about going from place to place to tournaments to work to earn worship the idea that

03:11:56.320 people are celebrating heroes and venerating heroes is inherently an also true concept and

03:12:02.480 very much at enmity with you know christianity's idea that salvation doesn't come through works

03:12:10.640 but through you know belief in christ that none might boast the night is all about earning

03:12:19.760 the ability to boast it's funny how language works but you know one of the most important

03:12:27.040 rounds of sambal was the bragaful or the celebration of your deeds that gives us the

03:12:32.960 modern term bragging which you know we look down upon because you know you're not supposed to boast

03:12:39.680 about your accomplishments in the days of our ancestors not only were you supposed to it was a

03:12:46.720 requirement that if you're, you know, if you're worthwhile, you best to boast and tell people

03:12:55.860 about what you have. And you would have scalds that it's their job to boast about you and how

03:13:01.960 great you are when you come places. And that wasn't, it looks really bad. And I know to our

03:13:08.120 modern sensibilities, it's gross to have these ostentatious like chest thumping about how

03:13:14.920 awesome you are there's a difference when you're creating something that's false versus when you

03:13:24.740 were honestly honestly celebrating your accomplishments in a room full of other

03:13:32.940 men that are honestly celebrating theirs in relation to yours and i think that's kind of

03:13:40.420 the key. If you're in a room of humble people and somebody comes in who's a jerk that's bragging 0.99

03:13:45.360 about stuff, we all know what that's like and we all have experienced that. But imagine if you're 0.98

03:13:51.500 in a room full of other men and you guys all are proud to tell of your accomplishments. Think about

03:13:57.640 that. If we're all sitting together and we tell about the greatest thing we've ever done, it's not

03:14:03.660 so that Svan and I can look at you and be like, hey, we're better than you or look at you and be

03:14:09.100 like, man, we suck because you did something great. Ideally, we're all celebrating the great 0.58

03:14:15.600 deeds of our brothers and our comrades. And if any, I were rational to like, all right, cool,

03:14:22.880 I'll see you next year. And you'll hear what I've accomplished between now and then.

03:14:29.220 Knighthood. What an amazing thing that would be if our men still gathered in that wise

03:14:37.860 to spur each other on to greater glory

03:14:42.120 and greater accomplishment,

03:14:43.220 we would all be made so much better than we are.

03:14:47.980 Before we move on, I wanted to mention

03:14:49.680 what started this aside

03:14:51.820 was this story being much older

03:14:56.040 but being thrown in with knights.

03:14:58.260 A story that we're all familiar with

03:15:01.260 that we all would know this type of thing from

03:15:05.500 is King Arthur.

03:15:06.800 it's it's it's so much older than that but you know in a modern sense we think of him as

03:15:12.260 the knights of the round table right but no right so nick so nick went there i did all right

03:15:21.140 so we're definitely not finished

03:15:28.400 i brought up a brandy rabbit hole sorry no we can and i'm glad that you did and i'm glad that

03:15:37.040 you recognize it it's a really important rabbit hole and it's something i would love to talk to

03:15:42.880 you guys a little bit more about i will resist if i were another bottle of chianti in i would just

03:15:51.280 i would just go hard and dive into it that could be a show though

03:15:54.960 It could be a show, it might be a show, what I would throw out there as kind of a sprinkling for guys to look into.

03:16:07.700 Something that I think would be interesting is to look into the quote-unquote grail runes or the unique runes that are in the Northumbrian rune row.

03:16:24.860 and i'll i'll drop that there and try to leave it for tonight we'll see but there's a lot

03:16:33.700 there's a lot to that and there's a lot to think on there but with that svan please take us back

03:16:41.060 into the text before nick and myself uh take us too far afield no that was good that was a good

03:16:48.380 little nugget in a direction um so they arrive there they uh at the behest of grimhild they

03:16:58.220 are moving towards gudrun but they're amassed in an army but not an army for war they're

03:17:05.980 an army to impress um

03:17:08.780 um and so there was 500 men noble men that rode with them there was valdemar of denmark there

03:17:20.600 was a mother and yaris labor with all so they went into the hall of king alf and there abode

03:17:30.200 them the longer barns and franks and saxons now this is again another interesting point here

03:17:38.720 The longbeards, the Franks are residing together.

03:17:45.060 The Saxons of the continental sense are all together.

03:17:52.880 And so this is, again, a blending of these historical times.

03:17:59.760 they fared with all of their war gear and had over them red fur coats even as the song says

03:18:11.280 and then it references a song that is not given in its entirety but or the the song is a poem or a

03:18:19.100 It says,

03:18:49.100 brought unto her a drink mingled with hurtful things so they arrive there they are now

03:18:59.000 um they are having feast and the idea is that none of the the men vote who's going to follow

03:19:10.640 sigurd is basically what this is about they're they're really explaining to the audience that it

03:19:18.140 You've got 500 just absolute chads coming in, but no one wants to follow after Sigurd to try to wed Gudrun.

03:19:37.540 So her brother brings her a drink and it's mingled with hurtful things.

03:19:44.000 and this she must needs drink and with the king thereof she had no more memory of their guilt

03:19:51.900 against her so at this point we see this happen again where there's the the ingesting or the

03:19:59.820 imbibing of something that then switches the story into its kind of new mode the end of one

03:20:09.060 the beginning of another and it's generally done like very very much so in like plot

03:20:15.240 convenience but again this has to happen with poetics because poetics are so choppy um it

03:20:23.440 there's no chance to just milk and and and shade everything out no you cut and move to the next

03:20:33.000 part. So this is also an interesting mentioning of what could be runes. On the horn's face were there

03:20:46.600 all the kin of letters cut aright and reddened. How should I read them rightly?

03:20:56.680 pause stop there's not perhaps no it's room no they are the runes especially the runes

03:21:07.560 yeah but they're they're written as if it's just you know on the horn there was the array of the

03:21:13.560 alphabet or the array of what have you but you can tell in the north we call it the futhark

03:21:21.160 yes the futhark is there and it's reddened that's a big one as well

03:21:26.600 that immediately this is no ordinary just words um

03:21:35.000 okay pause so this is the point of the night we're in y'all signed up for this those of you

03:21:42.040 who've seen this before those of you new buckle up because we get on these things that's kind of

03:21:47.560 where we go there are those who like to suggest that runes aren't magical and that our ancestors

03:22:04.680 never practice rune magic and that that's a modern 1970s edrid invention or perhaps a

03:22:15.160 a, I don't know, 1880s von List invention, we have lots of evidence in our primary source

03:22:26.720 material of carved sigils, carved symbols that are reddened to have magical efficacy.

03:22:45.160 something to note here, and we see this a lot, is the idea of runes used magically. We see

03:22:52.640 throughout the lore the idea of reading runes, knowing how to read them, knowing how to carve

03:22:59.180 them, knowing how to redden them. And we see it time and time again. We hear about death runes

03:23:05.540 and ale runes, and of riot and victory, sigruns, sigrunar.

03:23:13.060 We hear about that a lot.

03:23:16.840 It's absolutely a thing.

03:23:19.060 We read in Tacitus how the Germanic tribes,

03:23:21.900 they would have sticks that they would carve symbols in,

03:23:26.180 and then they would cast them and take up the symbol

03:23:30.020 and use it oracularly.

03:23:34.140 There's a lot of examples of rune magic in our lore.

03:23:38.580 Don't be fooled.

03:23:40.440 Don't let the, you know, what Svan and I call the well actually push up their glasses crowd.

03:23:46.780 Don't let them trick you.

03:23:49.220 Rune magic is absolutely something that was practiced by our ancestors, practiced by the All-Father, and is practiced today.

03:23:58.680 Svan has disappeared upon us.

03:24:00.720 has left me to my late night rambling.

03:24:06.780 He has returned.

03:24:08.800 He has returned to save us from me taking us further out

03:24:12.800 into the far reaches of things.

03:24:16.280 But I thought it was important to make note

03:24:17.840 because there is a current out there trying to...

03:24:25.800 I'm trying to think.

03:24:27.320 again sometimes the dramatic pauses are me trying to figure out a nice way to put something i want

03:24:35.560 to rail against people that i think are wrong-headed but my position obliges me to try to

03:24:43.960 figure out more noble ways of expression off times so there are people who are misguided

03:24:52.440 and have a misunderstanding of the magical nation nature of runes in the ancestral

03:24:59.800 outsider period i seek to disabuse abuse them of that notion and to bring them into the

03:25:09.400 divine light of also true truth that we are presenting here to you tonight so there you have it

03:25:16.280 yeah i'd say we see it with the runes we see it with the velcro not there's just a lot of people

03:25:25.080 that are like well it doesn't mean anything and it's like no we don't know the name of our

03:25:29.880 ancestors but it means again i will do this i will let i promise after this this is what i do i

03:25:36.440 instigate it's so you heard it here folks it's swan's fault i do yes carol at runestone.org

03:25:46.040 if you want to complain or scold him when i am done with this i will let him finish this chapter

03:25:55.720 and then we'll get into the questions and more of this stuff but i want to say

03:26:02.440 i don't think that some of the things we talk about are evil intentioned

03:26:08.680 And it's very easy when your approach to our faith is scholastic in nature to get confused or to inadvertently deify your own academic eccentricity.

03:26:32.940 in academic circles the best or most praiseworthy thing or the thing liable to win you the most

03:26:43.960 worship amongst your peers is to find something obscure and perhaps not expressed or not known

03:26:52.520 before and to build your worldview around an obscure thing you found

03:27:04.920 when your guide is piety you are less likely to do so because truth matters not innovation

03:27:16.360 not obscurity not aha but i found this one factoid that's my theory and not your theory

03:27:24.120 the ultimate goal of an outsider who practices with piety is a more correct and a more

03:27:37.400 a way more pleasing to the eye seer to understand them and to build an ever closer relationship

03:27:44.680 of trough with them when you are approaching this as a study in scholasticism it's really fun if you

03:27:54.840 find some obscure thing or if you make a literary conceit to something but it functions really

03:28:05.080 differently any fair-minded view of the material says that rune magic was practiced and celebrated

03:28:11.960 by our ancestors who practiced Al-Satru consistently from the migration era through the end of the

03:28:27.880 quote-unquote heathen period. 0.98

03:28:30.820 We see it time and time again.

03:28:33.060 It's well attested.

03:28:34.760 Even if it weren't, we know it to be true.

03:28:38.620 But it is.

03:28:39.980 So just make this little note. I'll let Svon continue and we will get to questions and other random asides once he's finished with this chapter. Svon, please carry on.

03:28:54.200 on the horn's face there was all the kin of letters cut aright and reddened how should i

03:29:04.480 read them rightly and again read r-e-d-e means to be counseled by them or to listen to them

03:29:14.340 correctly the lingfish long of the land of hadding wheat ears unshorn and wild things inwards

03:29:25.780 in that beer were mingled many ills together blood of all the wood and brown burnt acorns

03:29:36.820 black dew of the hearth the god doomed dead beasts inwards and i think that's supposed to be innards

03:29:47.540 and the swine liver sodden because all wrongs that deadens now bear in mind to the um the part

03:29:57.140 the god doomed dead beasts innards and the swine liver sodden this is of course referencing to

03:30:03.860 horospexy or horospex the um studying of the organs uh you hear this more i think in relation

03:30:12.500 to the romans and then specifically um there's a heptoscopy which is the divination by via the liver

03:30:23.940 of a um sacred butchered animal an animal that's being butchered um

03:30:30.660 um but with with religious context and then looking at the uh the liver or the um entrails

03:30:41.060 in a sense of randomness to read um the truth it actually happened you you hear it a lot in

03:30:48.020 the roman and you hear a lot in the bible but um this is one of the rare and truly

03:30:55.300 interesting times it's mentioned in in nordic reference um but um ultimately along with burnt

03:31:06.100 acorns tree sap there's this uh coalescence of these items that are kind of seen as um

03:31:18.980 the carriers of the ill will that Gunnar is doing so that he can make her forget everything.

03:31:28.100 And so now when their hearts are brought anigh to each other, great cheer they made,

03:31:34.500 and then came Grimhild to Gudrun and spoke. All hail to thee, daughter. I gave thee gold and

03:31:43.700 all kinds of good things to take thee after thy father. Dear bought rings and bed gear of the

03:31:52.160 maidens of the Huns, and the most courteous and well dight of all women, and thus is thy husband

03:32:00.740 atoned for, and thereafter shalt thou be given to Utli, the mighty king, and be mistress of all his

03:32:09.580 might cast not all thy friends aside for one man's sake but do according to our bidding

03:32:18.700 for now brynhild's prophecy is coming true um that she will be given to atli and that

03:32:28.940 she will be the slayer of him and his children um but she ends up not realizing it uh

03:32:40.540 Grimhild says, nourish not thy wrath.

03:32:43.780 It shall be thee as if Sigurd and Sigmund were alive when thou hast born sons.

03:32:51.800 So once you have kids, you'll forget all about this,

03:32:55.820 and it'll be the same glory that you had between Sigurd and you.

03:33:03.380 Gutherun says, I cannot take my heart from the thoughts of him,

03:33:07.440 For he was the first of all men.

03:33:11.440 So it is shapen that thou hast that must have this king and none else, says Grimholt.

03:33:18.480 Sorry, I jumped to that.

03:33:21.760 Gudrun says, give not this man to me, for an evil thing shall come upon thy kin from him.

03:33:30.500 And to this and to his own son shall he deal evil and be rewarded with a grim revenge thereafter.

03:33:41.560 Then waxed Grimhild fell at those words and spoke,

03:33:47.180 Do even as we bid thee and take thereof great honor of your friendship and the steads with all called Vympjörk and Valkjörk.

03:33:58.200 And such might was in the words of her that even so must it come to pass.

03:34:06.040 Then Gudrun spoke, thus then must it needs befall whoever against the will of me, and for little joy shall it be, and for great grief.

03:34:20.060 then men leaped upon their horses and their women were set in wains wagons so that they fared four

03:34:30.500 days of riding and other for a ship and yet four more again by land and road till at last they came

03:34:39.920 to a certain high built hall then came to meet Gudrun many folk thronging thronging

03:34:48.300 and exceedingly goodly and feast was made there even as the word had gone between neither kin

03:34:56.900 and it passed forth in most proud and stately wise and at that feast drinks atli his bride

03:35:04.660 atli his bridle with gudrun but never did her her heart laugh on him and little sweet and kind

03:35:14.420 was their life together.

03:35:18.640 Took me a minute to get

03:35:20.160 through that one.

03:35:26.680 So, now

03:35:28.460 Sigurd's wife, Gudrun,

03:35:32.800 is given over to Atli 0.92

03:35:34.360 and

03:35:35.600 Brynhild's prophecy is

03:35:37.940 starting to come true. There is still

03:35:40.360 her brother Gunnar that has

03:35:42.300 to be, he was prophesying

03:35:44.400 to fall in battle. And we see all of this starting to just kind of, again, it's about

03:35:52.540 how does this play out? You want me to do the next chapter? Nay. Okay.

03:36:05.080 we shall carry on with what we have and see where the roads might take us so guys i know this is

03:36:16.560 taking us a real long time to get through the body of this text we will finish it um two weeks

03:36:23.380 from today i appreciate you guys being here so those of you that might not understand or

03:36:31.120 get the feel of the show just yet so many of

03:36:36.560 so some inside baseball

03:36:40.700 when asked to hey matt talk about stuff i've never been good at just giving a speech about

03:36:59.040 something. I feel like the best way that I have to communicate about our faith is through

03:37:08.720 conversation, is through question and answer, discussion. And so that's what Victory Never

03:37:18.380 Sleeps was really born out of. So Svan and I go through a lot of different things, but for the

03:37:25.500 past, I don't know, over a year now, we've been going through the lore specifically, because it

03:37:31.640 gives us very important things to talk about. But it also inspires us to go off on different

03:37:40.260 tangents about things to, you know, it brings up topics that need to be discussed and spoken about.

03:37:48.800 so the lore that you know is the title of the episode is very much it's important that we cover

03:37:57.340 it but it's also things to bring up or to spark in us inspiration to make points or say things

03:38:07.020 that we feel need to be said about modern house true practice and also to respond to you all and

03:38:14.620 your questions that you might have. Pontificate I shall, Nick, rest assured. So, that said,

03:38:24.980 thoughts on the theory that Tyr and Sexnot may be the same deities. Fawn, what are your thoughts

03:38:32.920 on this? I know it is something that you have pondered. Yes, with some of the other Gothar,

03:38:39.480 I have only come to the conclusion that even though there is a direct connection with swords, story-wise with Lord Tyr and the sword that is in Fenris' mouth, which goes unnamed,

03:39:01.240 um and uh sax not having um the word meaning swords uh sax in his name um i think it's

03:39:18.280 in pious to cram them together immediately

03:39:23.640 and what does that leave us that leaves us with linguistic variations and it leads us with

03:39:33.040 whole and entirety different um divinity that did not um have pertinence to the norse so

03:39:44.900 i honestly can't give the answer to that i can't i i did see some of the other questions

03:39:53.000 where i actually do believe it lord tier is uh the the same of of of a different name

03:40:04.660 And we do see this with Nerthus and Ertha. Ertha and there's, you know, Norun or she's Yarth. And kind of, again, the earth, the name of the earth kind of changes as it goes northward.

03:40:26.120 And so, you know, somebody, I don't imagine somebody being so dastardly as to just be like, well, why don't you guys believe in Nerthus and Yarth?

03:40:37.120 are you know again there's there is linguistic considerations that we do place but the possibility

03:40:47.200 of him being a divinity specifically connected to the saxons is an interesting point that could lead

03:40:56.720 to us inclining to uh look at the possibility that he might be a king of the saxons that

03:41:08.960 rose to to godhood there is a thing

03:41:16.000 that

03:41:19.840 also some inside baseball into why in the afa we do certain things

03:41:26.720 Um, often I know there are terms to express psychological concepts and linguistic expression and stuff that I don't possess.

03:41:52.860 and i wish that i did and if i find the words i will start using them but the truth remains there

03:42:00.140 is a thing uh that prevails to where and i don't even know what this is called but we've seen this

03:42:13.980 in modern times there's a i'm thinking of a little emoji with the hands out and you guys can't see

03:42:21.980 me but there's like well who's to say well but what about and there's this endless questioning

03:42:32.060 and it's not it's often not done with intentionality it's done as if there is virtue

03:42:40.220 in ignorance or virtue in just questioning questioning is only valuable in the sense

03:42:48.540 that it gets us towards a better understanding of truth if questioning is done for rhetorical

03:42:56.860 obnoxiousness and so pause for a sec person who asked this question this is not aimed at you i

03:43:03.260 promise i swear this is not about you at all i'm happy to answer the question but what we have a

03:43:08.700 lot is people that always want to bring up the exception instead of coalescing around the things

03:43:17.340 that we do know it's like every time anybody has an idea in society well who's to say what's right

03:43:26.540 and wrong i am you are aryan people who have inherent dignity of character are to say what's

03:43:38.700 right and wrong um not only are we allowed to but we are obliged to by the nobility in our dna

03:43:50.300 it is our job to stand up and decide what's right what's wrong what's acceptable what's

03:43:58.060 not acceptable what to do and what not to do to abdicate that is craven in its most basic form

03:44:08.700 so we run into this a lot where people will pick rather obscure deities and question why we do what

03:44:18.220 we do and it goes a little bit to what's fawn said about nerthus and yorth and the linguistic

03:44:24.680 connection there's some things that are very obvious and there's some questions that we just

03:44:28.680 don't have an answer to them we might not there's hopefully questions that over time

03:44:34.820 through the gifting cycle and through sincere outs of true practice

03:44:39.640 that we will come to an increasing knowledge of.

03:44:46.040 And so that's a part of this.

03:44:48.940 And it's something that I don't know if others think of in the same way or,

03:44:55.960 again, I have no idea what other people think.

03:44:59.640 One of the things that is instrumental in how we practice Ausatru is, how to describe this?

03:45:11.600 When I first came into Ausatru, there was always this question of what is it?

03:45:19.800 Because every kindred and every national organization, they called it back then, and every whatever had a different way that they did stuff.

03:45:29.640 And it was almost like we reveled in the fact that everybody did their own unique, different little thing.

03:45:39.040 So, it sounds silly, but in, I don't know, let's say 2009, nobody could really tell you what Alistair True was.

03:45:55.280 everybody did their own thing and some people worshiped loki and some people didn't some people

03:46:01.620 i'm not also true i'm vanatru or i'm roca true or all these different things it was very important

03:46:10.080 to me to make a really firm like this is what also true is this is what we do

03:46:17.640 let's move forward with that and that was inspirational um in understanding and embracing

03:46:28.600 the guilt beginning because that's the most straightforward piece of our lore that says

03:46:37.500 because the way it's laid out is okay what was there in the beginning how did this develop

03:46:47.300 who are the gods will tell me more about them and it was really important

03:46:56.020 and that was the purpose of the poll yeah and it it presented our faith in the most comprehensive way

03:47:06.180 that any other single piece of our lord did you know these are the gods that it's beneficial for

03:47:14.340 mankind to pray to okay let's start there and so that's what we did

03:47:21.860 and i i don't say that to advocate any of these sentences it's very important to figure out

03:47:25.780 answers to a lot of these questions but there are countless tribal divinities

03:47:33.780 local divinities of place of river of area that we may never have an answer to

03:47:44.340 I would like to, and I stand ready and open to receive wisdom on any of these smaller or lesser known deities.

03:47:56.740 But what we do know is these 12 are really important, and these 14 of senior are also important to make note of.

03:48:07.260 and so that's where we put a lot of our focus as we build their worship and as we build their cult

03:48:15.220 there's a lot of different paths that one could take on that and i'm always really interested to

03:48:22.660 hear that but so we decided on that because again it's really easy to be like oh you guys are doing

03:48:31.100 it wrong what about this obscure point of scholarship and i'll make this aside to it

03:48:38.780 if the obscure note that somebody's making is a deity that has not been given worship and

03:48:47.520 participating in the gift cycle for hundreds or thousands of years they are certainly worthy of

03:48:56.440 it and we ought to give them that but we seek to have a better and more perfect understanding of

03:49:03.300 our gods and their relationship to different expressions of our folk over the centuries

03:49:11.460 but it's one of the reasons why we picked a line and drew it here and not there

03:49:16.700 people it's kind of a theme tonight well why do you guys talk about norse stuff what about

03:49:23.160 celtic things what about this what about that we could rightly spend an eternity saying well why

03:49:33.080 don't we do this other thing why didn't we do this thing but if we always spend all of our time

03:49:39.560 wondering why we're not doing something else or wondering where to go and never reach an answer

03:49:46.840 We don't ever move forward. We've seen tremendous blessing and progress in the House True Folk Assembly where we said, OK, how about this?

03:49:56.660 We're going to pick this. We're going to move forward with this. We'll do more as we learn more.

03:50:02.400 This is what we're doing. This is the direction that we're going.

03:50:05.580 and we all moved in unison in one direction and we've seen immeasurable blessings in our lives

03:50:14.860 within our afa within our worship within everything when we've done that so i'm very happy that's

03:50:21.980 something that we've done i don't think we have a good answer to that question i know that there's a

03:50:26.300 a tendency to equate saxonot to either lord frayer or lord tier and i don't know enough

03:50:36.780 about that particular rabbit hole to say definitively one way or the other or that

03:50:43.420 he's separate by himself but i do know that that at least as far as a name goes is very specific to

03:50:51.900 the tribe of the saxons particularly and he's also uh connected in genealogy

03:51:00.540 being the son of lord odin which many kings uh you know their their proclamation of that and then

03:51:09.580 he um gives birth to the kings of saxony which is why i mentioned the possibility of him being

03:51:17.980 an elevated um ancestor of the saxons is is highly likely but so one of the things that i like to

03:51:27.020 mention with that is to bring up here especially when we have questions like we had earlier today

03:51:35.740 about Tyr in relation to Odin.

03:51:42.340 All of the roads leading back to Odin.

03:51:46.260 And we know in a conflicted way

03:51:50.980 about who's the father of who

03:51:52.420 as far as the gods go,

03:51:54.300 but Odin's position as all father

03:51:56.580 is expressed as all of the gods

03:52:00.340 serve him as if he is their father.

03:52:03.700 So whether he is genetically like the father of them, he rules them as if he is their father, directing them and passing down what they should do and being the head of the family.

03:52:19.480 And I think that's really important.

03:52:22.360 I think the more we try to force it into a human-like soap opera narrative of how everything works, the more we miss the bigger truths expressed by our lore.

03:52:37.900 The fundamental is all of the gods look to Allfather Odin for direction and for leadership in their respective realms of what they do.

03:52:49.580 another way you've approached this and you said it a couple times in the past

03:52:54.700 uh when there's you know people are saying well is this god this god or that god this god

03:53:00.160 if they are the same god and we're giving them worship twice under different names

03:53:09.660 i don't think they'll mind but if they are different gods and we are forsaking one of them

03:53:17.440 they probably would yeah and

03:53:22.720 so something to make note of on that um

03:53:28.960 as a guiding principle and it sounds funny but that's something that I have believed really

03:53:41.660 strongly since i came home to house the truth that we should err on the side when we don't know

03:53:52.940 of treating them as two separate gods and if we're wrong no harm no foul

03:54:01.100 but if we were if we erred the other direction then a divinity of our folk would be left out

03:54:10.140 and that's something we want to avoid in all reasonable costs so

03:54:18.700 i say that when you compare all of the different names for divinity amongst the history of europe

03:54:26.060 certainly there's plenty of overlap to where this god is this other god but when we don't know and

03:54:33.020 when we're not sure we like to err on the side of treating them as if they are separate individual

03:54:38.860 entities and the stupid childish way that i conceived of it but i still think there's truth in 0.87

03:54:46.460 it if you if you're giving praise to both bruce wayne and batman then nobody's hurt by it 0.93

03:55:00.460 but if you treat them like they're the same person and they're not

03:55:04.300 somebody's getting left out yes that is a silly way to see it but it made a lot of sense when i

03:55:11.900 started out and i think it still makes sense i think the logic of it follows even if the example

03:55:17.020 seems childish we're not going to know everybody's uh hater or their you know by names or different

03:55:27.180 ways they were known by different people we're never going to get that perfect we can increase

03:55:32.300 and our knowledge and our understanding of it certainly but we're not going to know everybody's

03:55:38.860 secret identity us erring on the side of being pious and respectful is the best way to do it i

03:55:46.940 think so the next question how does our religion explain africans they were not created from ask

03:55:56.540 and embla correct so our religion doesn't explain africans because they are not relevant to our

03:56:06.300 religious practice um you are correct they are not the progeny of ask and embla beyond that

03:56:18.700 and we've seen other people with other answers and maybe any of those are true i think that

03:56:26.540 How do I want to put it?

03:56:38.380 It's not for us to lay out their existence for them.

03:56:44.980 Our Lord does not speak about them or their connection to their divinity or not or whatever.

03:56:53.440 I think to then posit as someone did in the chat and this is not aimed at whoever did this but it's

03:57:00.620 a common thing is to oh no their gods created them I don't know I don't know that to be true

03:57:06.840 I don't care and I don't mean that as anything disrespectful I mean that is that's not my

03:57:13.360 business they're their own thing and I leave them and their gods and their cosmology and their stuff

03:57:22.000 to determine that that's not my job and it's disrespectful and disingenuous for me to project

03:57:32.960 also true on to

03:57:38.160 other groups of individuals that occupy the earth with us that's between them and their gods and

03:57:48.720 their whatever they've got it's not my job to define that for them and i leave them to do that

03:57:58.160 but our mythos our faith and our cosmology is about our folk and how we relate to the

03:58:07.280 world and the universe around us spawn do you have anything to to add to that it's getting

03:58:14.560 wild on their end i'm seeing a lot of uh the black centrists saying that they're not from africa but 0.60

03:58:21.520 were the original indigenous people of the americas so uh i see a lot of craziness in there 0.73

03:58:30.480 but again this is the thing when they get out of bounds it is reasonable like no they're not 0.95

03:58:38.800 cheddar man no they was not vikings no those things are not true if they try to steal our

03:58:47.840 history then yes that is not okay and not true but it's not for me to define their history 0.76

03:58:56.080 other than don't steal ours from us because that's silly

03:59:00.480 No, I was going to say that the ultimate understanding that no religion has an explanation other than the ones that are clearly made up after.

03:59:25.100 So we know that the Torah got its story of the flood from the Babylonians.

03:59:35.480 There's the 40 nights.

03:59:38.820 There's complete and hard connection to the Babylonian story of Gilgamesh and the flood story that predates the Torah by 3,000 years.

03:59:52.080 um they have the tower of babel as a concept of that there was everybody was living in the

04:00:00.140 middle east apparently and try to build a tower to yahweh and yahweh gets mad and spreads the people

04:00:09.280 um and you can see this as a a fix um and again it happens with man-made religions when there are

04:00:19.060 religions that are focusing around the mortality, when they focus around a chosen human, when they

04:00:27.420 kind of bridge deeper into the more historical context than religious or meta, you'll see these

04:00:40.860 stories kind of coming about. But in ultimate sense, this is just adaptation. The same way that

04:00:48.460 Christians and even Jews, because Christians are pseudo-Judaic, that the worship of other gods 0.99

04:00:58.040 is the trickery of demons. That was not a held belief in Christianity in its early days.

04:01:05.520 And even the gods of our people are referred to in the Bible as the gods of the iron wheel,

04:01:13.100 and that Yahweh does not go up there.

04:01:16.860 So there's this distinction of understanding this separation.

04:01:22.680 But as Al-Zaragoli said, no, it's not for us to even to consider

04:01:30.100 or to contemplate, but to know simply the way of our people.

04:01:35.580 And we don't step on other people's terms and understandings

04:01:42.360 of the way that they connect to the divine. So at that point, you have an inner guard and an

04:01:49.720 outer guard. And if it is outer guard, it is to just be left as such. And that'd be the main

04:01:57.160 focus. And that is very hard for people coming from monotheism into a folk religion. But another

04:02:05.220 thing to another way to kind of consider it is is like there is one sun but uh a person in

04:02:14.660 norway experiences a very different sun than in the desert uh in in along the equator or in brazil

04:02:26.260 so even though people are pulling for there's some sort of objective truth that unifies us all

04:02:33.700 it really is the the the truth that we experience together as a people um versus

04:02:41.620 perhaps how other people experience the truth in their lands and i that's the only thing i

04:02:49.840 can kind of offer to kind of give a little help without talking everyone's heads off um

04:02:56.880 But yes, that's 0.99

04:02:59.760 The Mormons 1.00

04:03:12.000 Sorry, the spirit of wisdom 1.00

04:03:14.260 Said the Mormons 1.00

04:03:15.060 No, I'm not going to touch the Mormons 1.00

04:03:17.480 And they're 1.00

04:03:19.120 The Mashiach 0.85

04:03:22.040 Coming to

04:03:22.940 Because again

04:03:25.840 Like, who's right? Did the Mashiach show up? And there wasn't Native Americans as we see them. They were actually what we would consider Africans here. It's outside of my realm. I don't give the energy. 0.99

04:03:49.220 again people get confused because they're very used to a

04:03:56.860 like we need the answer for all of the other people's questions and that's not fair

04:04:06.920 and not anything we claim to have it is truly a principle of the astro folk assembly that

04:04:16.060 each group of people are

04:04:20.140 able to and in a sense obliged to define their own destinies and their own

04:04:34.240 relationship with their divinity. And I think that's true and I think it's important.

04:04:46.060 It would be evil or it would be easy for us to project that on someone or on a group of people, but we really mean not to.

04:05:02.020 I think that a lot of people may, I don't know, may be confused or may think that's our job, but it's not.

04:05:12.760 I think that they conceive sometimes a, I don't want to put this, I don't mean this as wishy-washy as it comes across, but I'm trying to think of precise language on it.

04:05:32.240 So the Astro Folk Assembly is truly not anti any other group of people.

04:05:41.440 And I understand that sometimes our folk come in contact or in conflict with other folk.

04:05:47.880 And so there is some kind of a perception.

04:05:50.620 But really and truly, it's our mission and our intention to define our race relations with our gods.

04:05:59.680 every other race of people and their relationship with their gods is entirely the business of them

04:06:07.360 and their gods unless or until it conflicts negatively with ours and then i certainly

04:06:17.300 reserve the right to advocate for our folk our divinity and our faith and i will do so

04:06:24.680 in a spirited and enthusiastic way, but no, it's entirely within our, our scope to allow

04:06:33.940 Africans, Asians, Semitic peoples, and Aztec peoples to figure out their own relation to

04:06:47.960 their divinity and you know so long as that does not conflict with us to pursue that to the best

04:06:55.400 of their ability or whatever they'd like to do that's entirely up to them and their business

04:06:59.900 um all right one thing i wonder about when story says that muspel is in the south and uh nithel

04:07:12.080 is in the north. Is he just trying to materialize

04:07:15.960 the spirit worlds of Yggdrasil, or did this

04:07:20.160 reflect a real belief? Svan.

04:07:23.980 Okay, so the way that our ancestors

04:07:27.740 looked at this is more important to understand

04:07:31.280 who is in the center and above.

04:07:36.320 In the center and above are the

04:07:40.000 holy Aesir, with Bifrost descending down from that place. They live in Himenpurkur, or in the

04:07:51.660 heavenly mountains. They live there. So I do believe that our ancestors felt it a real belief

04:08:02.000 that to the south lands was the land of fire, to the north it was the land of cold, in the sense

04:08:09.860 that that was clearly there it was it was quantifiable they also speak about this again

04:08:18.180 in when the dead walk the road of hell and go northward and downward um the idea of the the

04:08:29.300 the soul going there this happens in many religions uh the greco roman religion

04:08:36.100 also does this with clear connections and stories to legitimate places.

04:08:45.200 And also Christianity does this with their, the original version of hell is called Gehenna,

04:08:55.100 and that's an actual valley in Israel. So there is this connection to the physical that happens. 0.59

04:09:04.520 And that's another big, important reason why I press it is because all too often people try to picture the tree in different ways.

04:09:14.580 But I do believe our ancestors saw that the gods were in the center.

04:09:19.300 They are above. And that is where the tree is.

04:09:22.240 And those roots descend down. And there was a connection between all the worlds.

04:09:27.800 But as we have evolved and understood, we understand that the stories that we were told by the gods are showing, there's the metaphysical, there is a greater and beyond a scope of understanding.

04:09:43.680 We have come into understanding certain things. Again, I bring that up about the horses of the earth and the horses of the sun and the one horse of the moon. And out of all three of those, the moon is the only one that doesn't have its own axis.

04:09:58.560 Because these knowledge, or these knowledgeable Easter eggs, if you will, are what we have come into an understanding.

04:10:11.740 And I think all faiths do. But if you think about our ancestors understanding the polarity of energies, but more importantly, it was to set the gods in the center.

04:10:25.840 In the center of their world, the gods were there and they were above.

04:10:32.740 And that is hugely important.

04:10:35.280 Even in a literal sense, the mindset brings a greater connection to the divine.

04:10:43.860 So as we go forward in the future, I think it's just important to understand that.

04:10:50.460 But we now know that the center of everywhere and upward is, in the heavenly sense, becomes more metaphysical.

04:11:04.600 We're not going to drive somewhere on Google Maps to find the heavenly mountains where the gods are sitting up there.

04:11:12.820 But again, the same with the Greco-Romans and utilizing the Mount Olympus as the symbol.

04:11:20.500 Again, it's a symbol.

04:11:22.800 And there was this point of literalism to some symbology.

04:11:32.220 And I think that's the point.

04:11:33.700 I think the gods actually know that and are intending that to happen.

04:11:39.560 They want us to understand them in many different ways of understanding.

04:11:45.540 But if you do take yourself back and go, wow, you know, the center of the earth and there are the mountains and there is the tree in heaven.

04:11:54.540 And that tree Lord Odin synthesized himself with.

04:11:58.440 And there is the polaric forces of heat and of cold.

04:12:02.520 It teaches you that greater connection.

04:12:07.660 And I think that a lot of people lose sight of that as they go.

04:12:14.600 They want to place the roots down below.

04:12:18.660 And that's kind of like putting the bottom of Mount Olympus in the underworld, which doesn't make any sense to me.

04:12:27.880 Or they try to make these bubbles hanging off the tree or off the roots and so on and so forth.

04:12:35.900 And I think that that is not at all how our ancestors saw cosmology.

04:12:41.320 They were very much interconnected into all of it.

04:12:45.880 And on top of that, there was the East.

04:12:48.260 In the East, there was the rise of resistance and dissipation.

04:12:53.660 And in the West was the land of life and death, the natural cycles of the world.

04:12:59.980 So whether it was spoken to the layman and simply believed and that perhaps there were the Gothar of the age that understood its symbology is really irrelevant.

04:13:15.980 relevant or if the first storyteller Kvasir came down and spoke these stories to the folk knowing

04:13:25.100 that as they went they would, the trajectory would meet where they would understand beyond

04:13:33.740 but still hold meaning and gain it and not discard because the truth is in the meta.

04:13:40.860 yeah so i wouldn't get too concerned about the literality i think swan is absolutely correct

04:13:49.300 that the focus is the center being us and our existence and importance being the gods being

04:14:00.400 above us the land of the dead being below us in some way and the idea of

04:14:10.500 movement from east to west, and I think that that's more a historical function than a

04:14:20.860 metaphysical function. So importantly, our ancestors, since we started writing lore and

04:14:30.060 talking about it and expressing things geographically, westward expansion has been

04:14:35.800 the birthright and the manifest destiny if you will of our folk we have proceeded west with our

04:14:44.600 conquest of the world and of civilization and of new things that's you know from east to west is

04:14:51.960 the path of the sun it's the path of our folk it's where you know chariot riding arians moved and 0.95

04:15:01.960 expanded their dominion and importantly it's where in the astro folk assembly we orient our graves 0.95

04:15:11.320 to where when we look to the future to the land beyond we face west and read if we're standing

04:15:19.480 in front of an afa grave and we're reading the tombstone we're looking to the west because

04:15:25.720 that's the future that's that undiscovered country beyond life it's uh you know to go back to to nick's

04:15:35.160 uh dropping arthurian legend on us it's the land of avalon we look towards the west

04:15:43.160 towards the future and we hearken back to the north to the idea of the origin point

04:15:49.640 and i think those things are true in our house true practice i think forcing other things upon

04:15:58.100 our lore is likely speculative at best certainly things are cold the further north you go and

04:16:07.420 things are hot the further south you go in the world of our ancestors the idea of a world

04:16:14.020 south of the equator was hard for them to conceptualize.

04:16:21.080 So fundamentally, if you're a Scandinavian or a German

04:16:25.180 and you go further south, it gets hot.

04:16:27.840 And you go further north, it gets cold.

04:16:31.940 Certainly that plays into that story.

04:16:34.680 I don't know that there's a greater meta truth to it.

04:16:38.820 I think that's a simple geographic truth that we can read into it.

04:16:42.800 The next question is, is there a place for Tuisto and his son Manos, the father and founders of the Germanic peoples? From Manos, three sons were born, the Ingevonis, Arminonis, and Istavonis. Svon, what are your thoughts on these things?

04:17:03.000 Yeah, there's a lot of things we could go with. First, right out the gate, if the Ingevonis, being named after Inge, were the progeny of Manas and Tuisto, then this could be speaking of the lineage of what we would call the Vanir.

04:17:29.680 And remember, it's worth noting that in the battle between the Vanir and the Aesir, it is spoken that there are the deaths of many gods

04:17:43.460 So there is the possibility there

04:17:45.780 But I have tried to look at it in different ways linguistically

04:17:50.860 And I think that all too often, people in our faith do not consider enough the origins, and in particularly, Buri, Bor, and Bestla.

04:18:08.680 I think that when I was speaking earlier about the attainment of the trinity of the heavens, and that there is always a sky father and an earth mother, ours is clearly Bor, whose name means to bear up, and Besla, the one to beset.

04:18:33.400 But they both synthesized themselves into the world after the flooding of the world by Ymir, and then the establishment of the tripartite happens.

04:18:48.080 So we forget that

04:18:54.620 And I wonder too

04:18:55.720 Would Tuisto and Manas

04:18:59.180 Possibly be Buri and Bor? 0.98

04:19:04.340 I don't know

04:19:06.040 The other is the connection to the Ermensol

04:19:10.040 It has only been lightly suggested

04:19:12.460 That the Ermensol has reference to Lord Odin 1.00

04:19:15.980 And that's because of Haithi

04:19:17.520 But remember, Haitis also share commonality of words. 0.56

04:19:23.080 They have, again, it's like someone saying, because Lord Odin is called hangatir, he is tir.

04:19:33.520 And that is an incorrect mode of thinking that I do see some people on the internet pursuing and doing that

04:19:41.880 Without considering all the cultures that also use deus in not simply for the head god.

04:19:50.980 But instead, no, that means because Tyr is here, Lord Odin is Tyr.

04:19:57.200 So when we find the word ermen, ermensul, there is a haiti of Lord Odin that is connected to the ermensul.

04:20:14.200 But again, the word Yormann is also for Yormungandr, the great serpent that surrounds the world.

04:20:26.040 Or tonight, Yormannreich for Ehrmanreich, the king of the Ostrogoths.

04:20:34.120 Yeah, it's utilized everywhere, but oh no, no, Svan, that's spelled with a J and Ehrman is spelled with an I.

04:20:42.240 That's not how this works.

04:20:44.200 It's, again, the sounding and the purpose of the word, but I have, yes, from the basement I have found, no, the big thing is that there are more symbolic and connections to the stasis.

04:21:08.700 the ermine soul is the unmoving mover it is the center of all things it is the place in which is

04:21:15.460 established the order it is an it's a pillar it's a strut it's shaped like that you know my son like 1.00

04:21:25.600 said it looks like a mustache on a stick and I was trying to tell him because children are

04:21:31.460 just like that.

04:21:33.540 He's not wrong.

04:21:35.260 He's not wrong.

04:21:37.080 But I was trying to tell him, no,

04:21:39.400 the Ehrmanstuhl is a strut.

04:21:41.620 But not yours because it only does

04:21:43.460 that on one side.

04:21:46.580 You had to 0.99

04:21:47.500 take a jab at me?

04:21:49.180 Wasn't a jab a statement of fact?

04:21:51.780 I didn't put a judgment to it.

04:21:55.180 Anyways,

04:21:56.340 so

04:21:56.840 we're not here to talk about my mustache

04:21:59.300 deficiency. No.

04:22:01.460 The strut that holds up the separation between the heavenly realm and the earthly realm.

04:22:11.900 And when we do look at that, we see two figures again, which brings me back to why I brought up Bor, is that we see Bor in his name being the one who bears up.

04:22:23.900 And so there is this separation of heaven and earth after the flood in an, in a sense, symbolically. And then there is also Lord Tyr in his one, his runic symbol alone.

04:22:40.800 Out of all the runes, that one looks the most close to an ermensel in fashion.

04:22:48.240 And also looking at the fleur-de-lis, the Franks brought their symbol about from a variation of the ermensel.

04:23:01.700 So we have the fleur-de-lis, we have the ermensel being perhaps a variation from the rune, the tear rune.

04:23:09.360 And then if we look at the Tyr rune, it's connected to the Anglo-Saxon rune poem, clearly speaks about Lord Tyr being the North Star.

04:23:22.500 And I've heard people try to kind of whisk that away.

04:23:27.340 And I don't think that's bright of them.

04:23:29.020 I don't think that's pious of them.

04:23:31.320 But if you see them do that, you know, take that into consideration.

04:23:35.680 Bright of them.

04:23:36.400 I see what you did there.

04:23:40.240 so if if we have that and then on top of this we have the understanding that the tripartite

04:23:49.440 out of the three lords that sit in their thrones the throne of stasis is lord tears throne

04:24:02.000 and so now we have the unmoving mover the guiding star there's a lot that starts to

04:24:08.080 move towards that so what i'm basically saying is is that if we're looking further back i would even

04:24:15.520 like to throw my bid in to the argument that perhaps it is boor who is

04:24:22.720 twisto or i mean uh is manis and that twisto is booty um and that perhaps tacitus was

04:24:31.920 He was perceiving the way that the Germanics were talking about their origins as going all the way back as not even being divine figures because he really didn't have anyone to compare it to.

04:24:46.060 I mean, they were working with Dios Plater and Saturn and the Titans, and he never mentions the Jotans or Titans or giants of old.

04:24:58.480 So he doesn't have a firm grasp on any of the religious practices of the Germans up until these are the guys that start our tribes.

04:25:11.040 So I that's my that's my two cents into that.

04:25:16.820 Svon is going hard on this question for a minute now.

04:25:24.160 As I have done lots tonight.

04:25:26.320 I felt attacked.

04:25:28.480 Yeah, I find really similar things.

04:25:35.660 The Ingevonis is very seductive because we see the word Inge in there,

04:25:48.920 and we know that's a name for Lord Freire.

04:25:51.960 um as far as and this goes it's

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04:27:54.540 guys for being here so what i was going to say is those of you who've watched this for a long time

04:28:01.420 may notice there's these kind of themes that play throughout our shows and it's interesting

04:28:07.660 because we'll get questions and things throughout the night that kind of lend towards a common theme

04:28:16.780 trying to reconstruct a germanic version of what we do but without the norse material

04:28:26.140 is very challenging because like i said earlier it's being told by people without the context

04:28:34.540 from the outside writing about quote-unquote barbarian tribes on their borders

04:28:42.380 so meta in the way way back our gods merge with the gods of the latins and the greeks

04:28:49.180 in Arya Varta or in Hyperborea, to a degree.

04:28:55.380 There is a certain amount of Mediterranean, Mycenae, Ooga Booga-ness there that's not ours.

04:29:08.240 But it's hard to take their conception of something and try to overlay it seamlessly onto our mythos.

04:29:17.380 because it doesn't work quite right you see the linguistics and the ingivones

04:29:23.700 um and in the the ermen meaning you know world encompassing or worldwide or you know the the

04:29:36.020 all ever present um but yeah i think that this is one of the reasons that recently under my

04:29:49.060 administration we've tried to bring our nomenclature all into the old norse as it becomes confusing

04:29:58.420 when you try to incorporate the various different linguistics and traditions all into one

04:30:06.020 with their own names because there's a lot of overlap and there's a lot of confusion

04:30:11.840 bringing it all into one linguistic path into one understanding under one roof under one tent

04:30:25.300 unified

04:30:25.820 that helps us move forward in an organized way and make sense of it

04:30:30.000 and I'm always open to the other non-Norse material helping us understand what we're doing

04:30:38.220 and enhance what we're doing, certainly. It should never be disregarded, but we have to realize that

04:30:46.740 simultaneously, oftentimes, we're using the same word for different things, and the biggest thing

04:30:51.960 that comes into mind is earth and weird. They're the same word. They mean the same thing.

04:31:00.000 We've conceptually kind of separated them in modern Ausitru because we're trying to make Anglo-Saxon things, fit Norse things, and piece them together.

04:31:12.180 No, they're the same thing.

04:31:14.340 Now, we have two different kind of concepts, and it's okay to talk about that.

04:31:20.500 But linguistically, and this is one thing that I'm very thankful that I've stuck to it.

04:31:26.280 So, I am terrible at Old Norse and Eastland Scoop. 1.00

04:31:37.280 I am awful at those things.

04:31:40.280 I am trying my very best to get better.

04:31:44.280 I've given up several times in the past.

04:31:47.280 I'm committed to sticking it out.

04:31:49.280 So, every day I work my way through Old Norse material.

04:31:55.840 Every day I try to learn Icelandic to the point where it hurts my brain and it hurts my tongue to try to understand it better.

04:32:05.820 And the more I do, the more I understand nuance, the more little nuggets of our lore speak to me in a really special way.

04:32:16.580 And I think that I've gained tremendously from the little bit of advancement I've made in that area.

04:32:23.660 And I hope so.

04:32:25.280 And I endeavor to get better at that all the time.

04:32:33.360 The more we merge it into the old Norse linguistics, the more we understand it easier and better.

04:32:40.720 it's always awkward when we take a different thing that we know relates to us and we try to

04:32:51.060 reintegrate it into the north the norse expression of our mythos it's not that it's illegitimate or

04:32:58.740 that we shouldn't it just is increasingly challenging when you have to transfer it

04:33:03.900 Between languages and between in Tacitus' version, we're taking first century things and trying to merge them into the 12th century writing of 8th century understandings of things.

04:33:25.400 As you could imagine, that takes us over a thousand years worth of difference and is necessarily imperfect.

04:33:37.760 But we do the best we can.

04:33:40.080 That's a long way to answer that question.

04:33:45.420 So an easier way, Fenwraith asks, and thank you, Fenwraith.

04:33:50.620 We appreciate you.

04:33:51.500 You're always on here asking good questions.

04:33:53.440 Are English or Anglo-Saxon gods the same as Norse and Germanic gods, and are there any sources on that?

04:34:01.300 Yes, absolutely they are.

04:34:03.480 Are there any sources on it?

04:34:05.640 Yes, but less than you would like.

04:34:09.360 So, the best source that I know of that material is, well, okay, so the best source that I know of that material is a man named Stephen Paulington.

04:34:22.020 He was a scholar about Anglo-Saxon things.

04:34:26.240 He was very instrumental in interpreting the Sutton Hoo find.

04:34:32.560 And he wrote a book called Elder Gods.

04:34:36.440 Unfortunately, it is a very expensive book.

04:34:40.060 But it's a very good book.

04:34:41.560 It has a lot of really interesting material and stuff I learned a lot about through reading it.

04:34:48.660 That's the best source I know.

04:34:50.820 when you read it, he relies fairly heavily on Norse sources, because the Anglo-Saxon material

04:35:00.540 is just not preserved very well. But it's a really good book, and it brings to light a lot of

04:35:08.060 very important things in a special way, so I highly recommend it. Also, side note,

04:35:15.440 this is my, like, cool, you know, taking a selfie before it was a thing with the guy.

04:35:20.820 I met him. He's awesome. He's a great guy. He's not an Ausitruer, or at least he wasn't when I met him. He is certainly an expert on the Ausitru period of Anglo-Saxon history.

04:35:39.640 he wrote a number of good books one of the ones is like the english warrior i think i'm trying to

04:35:50.960 remember the exact title but it was a really good book that talks about some of these concepts about

04:35:57.120 the warband as expressed in a lot of different arian manifestations but particularly in you

04:36:07.220 know iron age and before english warrior culture and his work he did a book called the mead hall

04:36:14.480 which is also very useful and the elder gods so stephen polington i think is a great source and

04:36:21.160 i would encourage you to use that he does not like root beer because he thinks it tastes like

04:36:26.640 toothpaste i was able to give him a ride to the airport from our midsummer in

04:36:35.780 I want to say like 2011 or so. But I did get to meet him and I'm really happy that I got to and

04:36:45.440 he was a great guy. He's certainly a wonderful scholar and his work is really invaluable. So

04:36:50.720 I'd encourage you to look that up. Even if it's a little bit expensive, it's worth it, I think.

04:36:56.760 i'm i'm posting um one that i recommend as well um that even does the interconnectivity between

04:37:06.000 germanic and gaulish um peoples but it's um the uh myths and symbols in pagan europe

04:37:15.520 early scandinavian and celtic religions by h.r ellis davidson is a great one she does really

04:37:25.020 good work her stuff is fundamental and i'm ashamed to say and i should probably remedy this i have

04:37:31.580 not read a lot of her i have not read her things since i first got involved because i read a lot

04:37:38.700 of it and then i'd say around 2006 2007 i read road to hell that's what happens when you get

04:37:47.100 old is 2006 2007 doesn't seem like that long ago it's almost 20 years ago it was that long ago

04:37:56.060 but it doesn't feel like it to me but her work is really really good and i would encourage everybody

04:38:02.460 to read that i'm glad that you brought it up yeah the road to hell and gods and myths of northern

04:38:09.180 europe she's just uh not not flashy but worth really delving into

04:38:20.860 um yeah it's not flashy it's it's

04:38:26.940 it's not fun but it's worth it's worth mining for the value that it has and i think it's done

04:38:35.180 with very honest scholarship which i like um so yeah i appreciate those things

04:38:46.380 do you believe that when we reunite with our ancestors in hell

04:38:50.860 we stay there for eternity or is there always a chance for ascension to asgard

04:38:57.180 are there lower examples of this swan go ahead and take a swing at this first if you will um so

04:39:03.900 So, yes, there are exceptions. There is exceptions before common death and there is exceptions for after common death.

04:39:16.900 Obviously we know the choice by the Valkyrie, by Lord Odin willfully taking up a soul.

04:39:28.900 And also, too, we have to understand that the stepping in of the Holy Freya is not every time.

04:39:37.840 The point of that story was she was attempting to take a dominion, a power that there's no way he would accept to this.

04:39:49.880 And he does. 0.99

04:39:51.060 And so, therefore, any time the Holy Freya can step in and, again, kind of lording that dominion over to herself. 1.00

04:40:05.300 But that's before common death. 0.89

04:40:07.660 After common death, as we enter into the realms of our ancestors, we pass beyond the veil.

04:40:15.920 There is in our church a belief of ascension through, and this comes because of one of the key components of cosmology.

04:40:27.100 As we spoke before that the holy gods live above in the heavenly mountains and the roots descend down through all the worlds and few know where they go, there is one root that lands in, it's the tap root of Yggdrasil.

04:40:47.160 It is in that place and all roots draw up.

04:40:54.520 So the symbolic and the metaphysical point of this is that there is a circulatory system that moves from the middle world or the ground level.

04:41:07.880 there is one in the heavenly level and there is one in the sub uh strata the the farthest away

04:41:16.840 from order and it's not necessarily chaos that's not the the intended meaning it's that like

04:41:23.800 outside of the dominion and also the place that is forgotten um in a key sense especially when we

04:41:32.140 talk about ragnarok but that root draws up from that well and there is a deep connection between

04:41:42.620 our ancestors and that well and their connection and abilities so what it ends up kind of becoming

04:41:51.980 is uh i often when i'm talking to the gothar is um the consideration of the dsir the consideration

04:42:01.260 of the alvar i'm i'm speaking specifically of the dark elves the doc alvar they have transversed

04:42:10.700 through the darkness all of the alvar are connected to the to the thing in front of them

04:42:18.620 um for those that need like a really simple way of looking at it is gandalf was called gandalf

04:42:25.820 because he was the elf of the wand vikings were called skeep elf or ship elves because they were

04:42:33.100 so synthesized to the ship leos elf are beings that are synthesized to light swarthy elves are

04:42:43.820 again and and but ultimately dark elves the darkness is the passing through ascending back

04:42:52.460 up and being placed in the middle world but not in a human form in a guardian ship the dcr placed

04:43:00.140 as a guardian ship over the bloodlines but then we go even further not only is there just kind of a

04:43:06.540 return to the over overing of the the family or the land but now we go into the evidence of say

04:43:16.060 like skirner skirner is um and i actually pulled this up because i saw the question earlier

04:43:23.020 there was a part in skirner that really emphasizes where a lot of this comes from

04:43:27.820 it also there's a reference to it in eric the blood axes ascendancy to uh valhall um

04:43:37.340 but there is um a moment where skirner who is the servant of lord fray

04:43:46.060 comes forth and he says, she says, our girder says, are you from the elves or are you of the gods

04:43:56.840 of the wise Vanir? How did you come alone, leaping through the flames that surround my home?

04:44:05.100 Again, we were just talking about that with Brynhild or Sigdreva having the fire. And he says,

04:44:11.620 I am not of the elves, nor of the offspring of the gods, nor from the wise Vanir, though I came alone through the leaping flames.

04:44:22.080 And this, again, he is an ascended being living amongst the gods, but he is not an elf, and he is an alvar, and he is not of the Aesir.

04:44:35.280 So this, plus numerous other words, I would have to kind of dig and look to really give you the flat outs.

04:44:46.920 I'm doing this kind of from the hip.

04:44:51.120 Is the calling forth of the ascension of noble souls brought up from and beyond the veil into.

04:45:02.940 Now, here's the thing.

04:45:04.360 it doesn't disconnect you from them if they are ascendant that the key factor of understanding is

04:45:13.420 the well the well is in the heavenly realm there is a well in the eastern realm that no one knows

04:45:20.040 the secret well and then there is the well below that the tap root of that tree connects into

04:45:27.200 because it is the oldest wellspring and it's there that the the roots draw up so where the wells are

04:45:36.080 and those connections unless they're in the middle because then they're they're woven into

04:45:41.360 the nornic uh the witch's uh fabric of time and and the god's decree where they where you go in

04:45:50.160 again they gathered a council at the base of the tree which is in heaven very important

04:45:56.640 anybody that tells you otherwise is mistaken and that water that skein the dew drips into that well

04:46:08.960 from the drawing up of the roots and so there is this process a secular

04:46:17.040 process that the gods have power over they allocate and they gather there and it is of

04:46:26.800 my personal belief as well just this their ability to place in the drops that fall from the tree

04:46:34.240 into the well which is time and space and existence so there we have the d seer we have

04:46:42.160 the alvar allocated but some of them do not fall in the well but remain amongst the gods elevated

04:46:51.440 even from the lowest spots of the route so yes and again we utilize ultimately the the language

04:47:02.560 the meta-narrative of the of the stories to see and to post that uh you know to say that and to um

04:47:11.920 posts that up as a pillar of understanding is that yes there is ascension um after after death

04:47:21.360 now when it comes to reincarnation we get into the ancestors giving pieces of the soul up through the

04:47:29.600 root in order to place boon or ask the gods to place boon upon their bloodlines but most likely

04:47:38.560 and very rarely is there a full sound that makes that transference unless the gods decree it.

04:47:50.880 So

04:47:57.760 what Svan said, but through a different lens,

04:48:04.560 And I've often thought about this, since one of the reasons that I'm very fortunate to have Svon's assistance and expertise on this program, and goes without saying, I'm very fortunate to have his friendship.

04:48:26.880 So Svon and I come at this from different angles of approach.

04:48:39.260 We conquer this mountain from different faces.

04:48:45.400 And I hope that's valuable to the audience, and I believe that it is.

04:48:50.100 So I track with and understand and agree with all those things that Svon said,

04:48:57.200 but my approach is a little bit different.

04:49:00.760 Logic out that we know our ancestors exist beyond the veil.

04:49:07.200 We know this to be true.

04:49:10.120 We feel them in our lives.

04:49:13.160 We exchange gifts with them.

04:49:15.320 if they can participate in the gift cycle

04:49:18.040 then they are sentient beings with agency

04:49:21.320 even though they are beyond the veil

04:49:23.080 they whisper to us in our dreams

04:49:26.520 they share with us

04:49:28.540 they bless us from beyond

04:49:30.040 if we believe that life continues after death

04:49:34.760 then why couldn't they ascend

04:49:40.300 and achieve more beyond their existence

04:49:43.580 certainly they can

04:49:46.220 if they exist beyond the veil

04:49:49.060 and they're not limited by our mortal

04:49:51.040 lifespan of you know 70

04:49:52.920 100 years

04:49:54.000 then they have a lot of time

04:49:57.240 over there to do something

04:49:58.800 I assume they don't

04:50:00.980 squander it

04:50:01.880 why could they not

04:50:05.100 ascend furthermore in the

04:50:06.680 Asitufolk assembly

04:50:07.920 we celebrate the concept of

04:50:11.020 posthumous ascension

04:50:12.320 we don't have the authority to demand

04:50:16.840 that our gods elevate

04:50:19.060 someone we celebrate

04:50:21.420 we wouldn't be so presumptuous

04:50:25.420 but we can aid in their

04:50:29.640 ascension by celebrating them

04:50:32.820 by speaking of their deeds

04:50:36.460 by doing things in their name and their honor

04:50:39.580 by raising toasts to them at some,

04:50:43.300 or by celebrating them with days of remembrance.

04:50:48.460 Our heroes in life and in death are judged by their acclaim

04:50:55.180 and the value that their folk place on them, 0.93

04:50:59.400 and in a corresponding way, by the value that the Iser place on them.

04:51:06.140 now the iser know much more than you and i if we celebrate a hero because we think he's a really

04:51:13.760 cool guy the iser know the truth of it they know his struggles they know all the struggles that he

04:51:22.800 deals with that we don't know they know all the things in life that he has overcome that we're

04:51:28.760 not aware of. They know all the ways that he excels that we don't take notice of. Conversely,

04:51:39.520 they know all of his demons. They know all of the ways in his life that he falls short.

04:51:45.380 They know all of the things perhaps that he keeps hidden that we don't know.

04:51:51.180 So it's certainly up to them and their wisdom and their provenance to choose who to elevate and who

04:51:57.240 not to but we accelerate that process when we remember when we raise horns in their honor

04:52:06.040 we celebrate them to have them all talks the value of you know

04:52:15.400 if one doesn't have sons who is there to raise a stone by the roadside

04:52:19.960 to their honor to their name that posthumous testimony about the glory of someone who's

04:52:26.920 past is very important and we know that so if our loved ones exist beyond the veil

04:52:36.200 certainly there is the possibility of great achievement or great failure for them

04:52:44.200 i urge all of us if there are people who have passed that we want to be taken special notice of

04:52:51.320 by the isir that we celebrate them we tell their stories and tell their tales if we think of heroes

04:52:58.600 that we conceptualize in our existence here in midgard as heroes what's the difference between

04:53:07.160 the people that the countless members of our folk that we have no idea their names

04:53:14.840 and the heroes that you know though they may have been dead for a thousand years or more

04:53:20.840 we know them we remember them what's the difference the celebrated tales of their deeds

04:53:29.000 you know i cattle die and kinsmen die but i know one thing that does not die

04:53:34.920 it's the reputation of one who's earned it so by extolling the reputation of the fallen we

04:53:42.440 help them to ascend in the afterlife and i have no reason to believe that you know in

04:53:49.880 decades or centuries beyond their earthly existence that a hero could be invited to the

04:53:57.260 halls of our gods based upon the amount of praise that we heap upon them here in Midgard

04:54:03.280 and I can't promise that certainly but I will do my part to build their legend and to build

04:54:10.960 their story and I say this in a tangible way I have no idea how the gods are or are not going

04:54:19.080 to judge our founder, Steve McNallan.

04:54:23.280 But it was important

04:54:24.560 that I make a statue in his honor,

04:54:28.040 that we speak of his deeds

04:54:30.620 and his accomplishments,

04:54:32.180 and that I celebrate him long after his passing,

04:54:34.680 though he has not passed yet,

04:54:36.420 and I don't know what's to come.

04:54:38.000 He may well outlive me.

04:54:41.200 But if he doesn't,

04:54:43.020 I am going to advocate for his ascension

04:54:45.900 all the days of my life.

04:54:49.080 Perhaps the gods will find that worthy and let him ascend.

04:54:52.100 Perhaps they've already decided upon that, and I just don't know.

04:54:55.960 Either way, it's our duty to those who we celebrate as heroes to speak and sing praises of their deeds that our voices and our tales might echo in the halls of the gods, and they might take note.

04:55:14.320 And I think that's a fundamental truth that we know with that.

04:55:18.240 But you've reached the point in the evening where we wax long about these questions.

04:55:26.240 So take with it from it what you will.

04:55:30.000 I hope it's useful.

04:55:32.120 Next question is, will there be more than one Thorshoff in the future?

04:55:35.960 I live in Hampstead, North Carolina.

04:55:39.040 I drive daily to Leland, North Carolina for work.

04:55:43.460 I'd love a closer hoff and a strong community around here.

04:55:47.480 the nearest is two hours so i drive hours perspective on this and we we hit this point

04:56:00.680 on this program a number of times so to the person who asked this question

04:56:07.080 absolutely no shade it's kind of beautiful that you ask it

04:56:11.000 it from 1972 until 2015 there was the always elusive maybe someday if we try hard enough

04:56:28.040 if we're just worthy enough maybe one day we'll get a half we got one half the first half in the

04:56:38.120 entire world in brownsville california and that was a huge accomplishment

04:56:47.800 got that in 2015.

04:56:53.640 in 2020

04:56:57.000 with heroic effort we were able to get not one but two hoffs we were able to get thorshoff

04:57:03.880 in lyndon north carolina and we were able to get baldershoff in murdoch minnesota

04:57:11.880 and then in 2022 with enormous effort and tremendous blessings we were able to get

04:57:21.880 in Yord's Hoff in White Springs, Florida.

04:57:28.740 If you would have told me or any of us,

04:57:32.020 and I talked to the McNallans about this,

04:57:34.420 and they never would have believed

04:57:37.060 that in their lifetime we would have four Hoffs.

04:57:41.260 The fact that people who are listening to this broadcast 0.65

04:57:44.860 for maybe the first time take it for granted that,

04:57:49.600 Man, why isn't there two hours to the nearest Hoff? That's ridiculous. Why isn't there one closer to me? To us old timers that live most of our house to true practice with zero Hoffs, it's strange to wrap our head around. 0.96

04:58:10.340 But the fact that that's a question in this day and age is a testament to the work that we've put in and the work that the generation before us has put in.

04:58:25.220 It's kind of beautiful that people who join now just assume, like, why aren't there Hoffs everywhere?

04:58:31.460 That's ridiculous.

04:58:32.280 us it's hard because us old timers know how there was nothing privileged folks are for it's only two 0.88

04:58:43.720 hours for you to get to a hoff but the fact that it's so normal that people don't understand that

04:58:52.780 there's not hoffs closer is really beautiful in a way i've said you know one of the most

04:58:58.140 profound testimonies to the blessings of our

04:59:02.220 Isera and to the success of us and the

04:59:06.140 generation that have come before us, I've had the privilege

04:59:10.000 of seeing my daughter play at all four of our Hoffs.

04:59:14.560 Seeing our children play in the courtyards

04:59:17.940 of our Hoffs and knowing that they will never know a world

04:59:22.020 that does not have Hoffs to our gods in it.

04:59:28.140 I'm not sure there are more powerful statements to make about things that we've tried very

04:59:36.500 hard to accomplish, but we are deeply blessed to live in a time that that's our reality.

04:59:44.920 So to answer your question, sure, there'll be plenty of future Thorshoffs.

04:59:49.980 I hope there will be a Thorshoff in every state.

04:59:53.660 I talked just to yesterday with one of our Gothar.

04:59:58.100 We're going to have to re-figure out how we name our Hoffs

05:00:01.500 after we have a Hoff to each of our gods, to some of our goddesses.

05:00:06.440 Figuring out the nomenclature for future Hoffs.

05:00:10.840 We don't have a solid plan for past Hoff 14.

05:00:15.780 But the fact that we know there will be a Hoff 14

05:00:18.780 and we're contemplating what to do for 15 and 16,

05:00:23.660 that's really a special and amazing thing that we can even think about.

05:00:30.560 One day, there will be a Hoff closer to you than the one in Linden.

05:00:34.980 But right now, get in your car and drive two hours to London is very close to you.

05:00:42.380 There is no other time in the last 1,000 years.

05:00:46.280 And realistically, there's probably no other time in the last 2,000 years.

05:00:51.160 There's a Hoff as close to you.

05:00:53.660 as the one that is in linden north carolina get in a car wake up early that day drive two hours it's

05:01:00.560 worth it um and if you have hours for me to get to odenshoff i think it's four hours for spawn to

05:01:08.360 get to the hoff that you're talking about in linden it's very close to you but you need a ride

05:01:15.800 or something but we can figure out rides we have a lot of that option available and

05:01:24.600 if we can get every member of the afa within two hours of a hof what a smashing and amazing success

05:01:32.440 that would be but yeah make the effort get to linden go to thor's hof we would love to see

05:01:40.440 you there we would love to worship with you there and we will work towards getting off closer to

05:01:48.680 every one of our members we're never going to stop until we get there and if we got there we would

05:01:55.160 work towards we had a claw a half within an hour of each of our members but yeah so to answer your

05:02:01.960 question. Do you think, from Fenwraith, do you think that art can start a revival of Ausatru

05:02:10.140 amongst the masses? Like if someone writes a best-selling like The Lord of the Rings or

05:02:17.000 something like what the Chronicles of Narnia is for Christianity, but for Ausatru? Svon, 0.95

05:02:23.860 what are your thoughts and feelings? Yeah, I feel that there are certain fiction

05:02:28.720 that have come out that are very close to that, but perhaps are not tangible in connection enough.

05:02:39.280 I think that it would be great for a person to perhaps write a parallel, again, being

05:02:48.000 um pious and respectful but also transferring over uh ideals and concepts and divinity

05:03:00.580 to to the folk in a fiction format uh in a modern fiction format that would allow them to

05:03:09.980 um reconnect to an understanding um would be very very interesting i think very very

05:03:18.940 cool when we talk about literature music and and things like that is hit or miss

05:03:25.800 depending on where they're at in their lives whether or not um there are there have been

05:03:33.500 artists who made beautiful pieces but they end up either passing away or uh falling to

05:03:45.260 the uh benignness of of whatever is out there faith-wise and they end up not passing on these

05:03:55.180 um this music so i think a lot of the things that would be a great help is to if you were

05:04:02.380 to write music is to kind of again give over the intellectual property to the church so that it can

05:04:09.180 remain and stay with the church uh despite you know if you're if you pass away and you don't do

05:04:18.060 your will and in your will there's nothing stating that your property can be given over to the church

05:04:23.580 that you're a part of then your family who might not like your church is just that's immediately

05:04:31.260 gone so yeah uh music properties and then of course to artwork is certainly a thing

05:04:42.060 um we are trying to work right now on keeping the art in a

05:04:49.740 uh a mode of connectivity if you will but that's not saying that we aren't

05:04:58.860 enjoy people do art all over the Auschwitz folk assembly people do art at national events they

05:05:08.360 make paintings they make all kinds of things but as far as godsteads to the gods on the walls in

05:05:18.660 the temples we're trying to keep with motifs and if those were even copied by other people or

05:05:24.240 embellished upon or worked upon with elements kept but with their own elements added that'd be

05:05:32.260 okay too i think all of that is really good at inspiring and electrifying our folk to come home

05:05:39.960 because it can't just be academic it can't just be books so

05:05:48.020 i don't think there's a perfect answer to that question certainly art can but i think a riot

05:06:00.260 art arises out of awaken an awakening of our folk soul

05:06:07.620 art and art expresses itself in so many different ways

05:06:12.740 To the musician or the songwriter, art is only auditory.

05:06:21.420 Through the painter or the sculptor, it's only visual.

05:06:25.680 There's architecture, there's poetry, there's music, there's sculpture, there's painting, there's literature.

05:06:38.460 there's infinite ways that art and that beauty expresses itself

05:06:45.980 having our folk soul express ourselves culturally does awaken our people

05:06:53.740 and i think that the more movements move in a certain direction and the more we are able to

05:07:00.780 garner the goodwill of our gods the more that our folk will awaken and that we will embrace

05:07:12.620 and take pride in who we are art helps that all of it helps that

05:07:18.220 one thing to keep consistency it doesn't mean you know everybody has freedom to depict our

05:07:27.120 our gods and our heroes and different things

05:07:31.480 differently. But one thing that I think is really special

05:07:35.560 that I try to take a cue from

05:07:37.960 the chief artist of the Ostry Folk Assembly

05:07:43.100 is Svon Harald. And the art that he creates

05:07:47.420 in our murals is the template for our art going forward.

05:07:52.200 His connection through the eye of

05:07:55.240 inspiration to our gods is really special. And to unify our expression of art, the image that he

05:08:05.180 depicts of our gods is what our gods look like by fact going forward. And so they can look the same

05:08:20.180 in different clothes or in a different expression, certainly,

05:08:24.640 but we try to keep the images in matching with

05:08:28.020 what Svan lays out for us.

05:08:32.340 Because unity and

05:08:34.680 order is really important. Our gods are gods

05:08:40.060 of order and not gods of chaos. We would never seek to limit people's

05:08:45.260 artistic expression of things.

05:08:47.860 But what we're always going to gravitate to and default to is the way that Svan depicts our gods.

05:08:57.120 He is the artist in the moment of this time who is able to translate the divine into the medium of paint.

05:09:07.240 that may look different in different periods of our folk but a thousand years from now people

05:09:17.940 will look back at this period will note swan's artist artistry and his inspiration and will

05:09:26.200 define subsequent art by its relation to or its relation against the depictions that swan here

05:09:36.140 has laid out and um brought forth on our murals for us there's a power to them that transcends

05:09:50.020 aesthetics and that embodies or rather that our gods choose to embody in a particularly special way

05:10:02.720 I have been in the presence of all four of those murals.

05:10:11.460 I can attest to their power.

05:10:16.300 And I'm confident in the power of their future expression.

05:10:23.260 So I don't pretend that the gods literally look exactly like Svan draws them.

05:10:29.940 But I do say that so far, four of them approve of the way that Svan has drawn them and have chosen to occupy and express their power through them.

05:10:44.920 And that's powerful.

05:10:46.440 So, those of you listening to this broadcast, you are privileged and blessed to be educated and in the presence of the great artist of our gods and our age, who is my friend Svon Harrell that's with us tonight.

05:11:06.620 but art

05:11:08.740 so I wax over long

05:11:11.960 I've seen some really beautiful art

05:11:13.960 in my time as

05:11:15.780 Osteriagofi

05:11:16.700 and my time practicing Ausatru

05:11:19.640 and I've seen it expressed

05:11:21.020 in a lot of different ways

05:11:23.640 we had two

05:11:25.680 really, and I mentioned this earlier

05:11:27.600 in the broadcast

05:11:28.120 we had two really beautiful songs

05:11:32.120 expressed

05:11:33.540 to us during the Sambal of

05:11:35.780 Austria and Thorshoff.

05:11:38.980 And it was interesting because they're very, very different.

05:11:42.140 Very different.

05:11:45.760 But both were really special in their own way.

05:11:51.140 And I think that when our...

05:11:52.840 Some transcendent happens when people let go of some of their preconceptions

05:11:58.100 and just let the art flow through them.

05:12:02.740 and a lot of the time it comes out really beautiful ways so i have seen

05:12:12.520 really amazing art come through

05:12:19.440 musically i've seen it come through in

05:12:27.180 painting. I've seen it come through in carving, both wood carving, but also like

05:12:38.700 decorating horns. I've seen a lot of really special and gifted painters within Ausitry.

05:12:50.740 Within the AFA, we have painters that are tremendously skilled at painting, and we've seen others that are very inspired in their painting, and I've seen some, one in particular, who, they just turned 18 this last week.

05:13:17.500 i've watched her painting over the last i don't know three or four years

05:13:26.140 just ascend like a rocket and her skill is

05:13:33.660 literally awe-inspiring and i'm so excited to see where it goes

05:13:40.740 so yes art is inspirational we need more of it i would love to see it there's a lot of room for it

05:13:50.040 and the answer is all of the above and what's going to inspire our people to come home to our

05:13:56.580 gods but art is a big part of it go ahead i find this so very interesting that y'all answered a

05:14:03.700 totally different question than what i read when i read finn's question i blame it on the malibu

05:14:10.200 rum that I am chasing my Chianti

05:14:14.300 with. You both did it. You both focused, I mean, beautifully so, 1.00

05:14:18.580 on art and Alcatruz.

05:14:22.260 I'm a bottle deep in the Chianti and I'm about a quarter

05:14:26.180 of a bottle deep in the Malibu. But what I read in that

05:14:30.340 was more of an inquiry on

05:14:33.440 like i don't know what if or could also true in an art form reach like mass popularity because

05:14:45.420 the focus on like the best selling this and stuff like could it reach you know cultural norm so to

05:14:53.460 speak that's what at least that's what i read that question nick so you're not wrong but one

05:14:59.680 the things is such an open-ended question it's really strange to see and you can never really

05:15:07.520 predict those things that hit the cultural current at the right time in the right place that it takes

05:15:15.360 off and becomes a big thing we see that with simple stuff that becomes viral and and this is

05:15:22.560 i don't mean to cheapen it using the terms of social media but it's honest um i remember

05:15:29.600 a number of years ago when the afa was just you know kind of dipping our feet in the social media

05:15:36.880 um we had a member that posted a he dressed up a really pretty picture of a thor's hammer

05:15:45.840 one that gothe uh bode mayo forged and he did it with some snow on top of a wreath that he

05:15:56.400 had constructed and just said happy yule and it got thousands i think it got tens of thousands

05:16:03.520 of shares it caught on and got viral and it was this big deal you never know what's going to hit

05:16:09.280 at the right time in the right place with right people it's really hard i don't think there's any

05:16:15.120 accurate way of predicting that i think if there was a solid accurate way to always predict it

05:16:21.520 we'd have a lot of millionaires that were able to place their bets at the right time in the right

05:16:25.920 place there's a lot of factors but art inspires and one of the things that art has the ability to do

05:16:34.720 is cut past the rational and the analytic

05:16:38.560 to a deeper core of our soul to where we just gravitate certain things because they're beautiful

05:16:45.840 or because they're catchy or because something about them strokes some kind of string in our

05:16:55.760 soul that vibrates throughout us and we don't necessarily know why and there's something

05:17:02.440 truly magical in that sense to art

05:17:05.700 Next question is, what are your thoughts on the recent trends of white positive sentiment and, quote-unquote, black fatigue in the mainstream media?

05:17:21.220 It seems that ever since Donald Trump took office, everyone is right-wing all of a sudden. 0.50

05:17:28.080 I've seen very popular influencers become sympathetic to right-wing thought, people who I never thought in a million years would take such positions.

05:17:41.300 Do you think the tables are finally turning, or is this just a trend that will die out in a few years?

05:17:49.400 Svon, what are your thoughts?

05:17:50.660 Well, one, it's really the culmination of deeds.

05:17:59.280 um i think that our folk i think not even our folk all the folk here of different peoples

05:18:08.820 um in the united states are tired of being gas lit into a realm where reality doesn't exist

05:18:20.980 statistics are simply uh they're not real they're racist uh or what have you so all folks and we saw

05:18:30.860 it with like when they were doing the end asian hate there was the end asian hate the left was

05:18:36.860 trying to weaponize that against uh white europeans and then reality came in very glaringly

05:18:45.940 crapping over the narrative when the asian communities all over the united states started 0.95

05:18:53.100 to see perpetrations of violence against their people but it wasn't coming from the white people

05:19:01.260 and they just desperately tried to uphold that for so long and oh they you know they they put 0.97

05:19:07.740 the asians in the black neighborhoods because they didn't want you to compete either and it's like 0.96

05:19:13.420 okay, yeah, that's cool. Thanks for the history lesson. But, you know, grandma just got her head 0.81

05:19:18.300 stomped in, in New York, just because she was closing up the store. There was this reality.

05:19:26.280 And I think the reality is coming to a head. And again, it's from people's deeds. And there are

05:19:32.520 Black Americans who are also a very small minority, but they're, they're getting fed up

05:19:40.760 with it too. We see it kind of vocalized a lot on social media. And I think the biggest thing

05:19:47.500 now is the gaslighting all across. When you're talking about Trump and the politics, people

05:19:53.960 from the vaccines of 2020 till now, it has been an ongoing tidal wave. And now people are like,

05:20:04.460 okay enough is enough um and it's starting to turn it it's turning ugly in some cases

05:20:13.980 but um there has been there was a guy named colin flatterly who was talking about this

05:20:21.180 all throughout the 20 teens and he was just talking about black mob violence he was talking

05:20:28.460 about um interracial violence between all groups but the statistics of and i think that it's finally

05:20:37.340 the information is spreading and uh people are fed up but more importantly not just all people

05:20:45.580 uh our people are fed up and now they're starting to consider the idea and not being

05:20:53.900 afraid of being called um a you know something by another group of people simply because

05:21:00.860 we now show solidarity that they show every day and the only thing is is that we need to push

05:21:08.700 beyond one threshold and that threshold is that the the i wish that our folk would understand that 0.98

05:21:19.180 they need to move away from the middle eastern religion that they follow i'm not saying i'm an

05:21:24.540 enemy to those people in in the sense that i'm willing they're europeans i'm a european we're

05:21:30.780 both connected that way we share a lot of the same ideals but ultimately at the end of the day we need

05:21:36.300 our folk to stop going down the road of uh seeing all these problems and then be then just looking

05:21:46.860 in their book and seeing all of this uh jewish mythology and um middle eastern idea idealism

05:21:56.140 and then they're like no this is totally european um it doesn't make sense to me but that's a little

05:22:03.740 too further up the road than i i think we're at right now i think it is just gaining solidarity

05:22:10.540 again after having such tumultuous history in the united states and i came to the united states

05:22:17.980 from europe um and it kind of shockingly experienced the um the racist um

05:22:28.540 i don't know geography of the world or of the united states um seeing a lot of that seeing

05:22:36.140 uh people you know kind of tribing up and um not really that being allowed for our folk and now i

05:22:45.180 think our folk are like you know what we're no we're done with that we're folking we're we're

05:22:50.620 tribing up together and uh and again it doesn't necessarily mean that what what the media or what

05:22:58.540 the left and the post-modern marxists whatever the long titles are it means to them you know

05:23:05.260 we can still tribe up but still be noble kind work with other people especially when we have

05:23:14.780 all of us are kind of experiencing a similar problem so there's that

05:23:21.260 i think there is a age element at play

05:23:24.940 when you deal with members of our folk that are in their early 20s eight i have 18 to 25 or so

05:23:39.280 they always are very eager to follow trends and to feel like whatever's cool in the moment

05:23:49.480 has long-lasting impacts and it often doesn't what i think we are much better served following

05:24:00.600 is capitalizing on the short-term trends to bring people towards a long-term solution

05:24:10.260 it is and and i urge all the young people on the show to hear me out and to

05:24:21.780 at least understand where i'm coming from

05:24:24.940 so again you talked about when or you know i the the person who asked the question

05:24:33.100 man since trump came to office this thing

05:24:36.740 that's

05:24:41.860 five months old, five and a half months old.

05:24:49.960 A lot of us felt a similar thing when Trump came to office in 2016.

05:24:59.580 It's funny how kids that voted for Hillary in 2016

05:25:05.760 would lecture me in 2017 about how, you know,

05:25:11.320 whatever on the team they were,

05:25:14.160 a lot of us have been on the team since the 90s.

05:25:21.060 People who are my senior have been on the team since the 80s or 70s.

05:25:27.580 when our when we're chasing trends and acting as though a six-month-old trend is our new reality 0.98

05:25:38.460 it doesn't serve us in the long run there's something silly and ridiculous about you as a

05:25:46.260 human if you don't keep your core values through the trends

05:25:52.840 So one of the things that I'm very spicy against the previous generation is people that, and often in a United States sense, Democratic politicians and supporters, that I see that have had drastically different positions over my lifetime.

05:26:22.840 core values should be core values and they get expressed differently in different circumstances 0.82

05:26:33.660 certainly but like our former president joe biden for example 1970s he is proudly from a slave state 0.80

05:26:45.340 he talks about how he does not want his children raised in racial jungles and he is anti

05:26:52.400 integration is a long period in politics to where his core values change depending upon

05:27:01.240 what the the cool thing is in the place that he's at and what's likely to be beneficial to him 0.99

05:27:07.640 you've seen hillary clinton talk about you know young black males are super predators

05:27:14.960 but then you know 20 years later completely opposite view you see people who in the 1990s 0.60

05:27:24.720 were you know mainstream democrats that now you know those same positions that they held then

05:27:34.200 would be you know shockingly opposed to the new woke version of that party

05:27:39.620 what I value much more is people who have a, you know, 30, 40 year track record of consistency

05:27:50.900 in the things that matter to them. Values don't change or shouldn't. I mean, yeah,

05:28:03.100 we should all evolve in our values in a consistent directionality,

05:28:07.760 but socially we don't ever want to be at the whim of what's cool and what's

05:28:15.540 not. Yeah.

05:28:17.080 We should take advantage of things that are cool to bring being,

05:28:20.680 bring people back home to trough with their gods,

05:28:23.920 but we shouldn't be so caught up in it that we are elated when things move

05:28:31.180 slightly in something we perceive as our favor and are deflated and demoralized when things

05:28:40.120 move slightly away from us, the moving of the pendulum of political correctness, certainly

05:28:49.560 in the United States, is rapid and absurd. 0.94

05:28:53.980 We see it this month with the whole gay pride thing in June. 0.96

05:28:57.420 under the past four years everybody is turbo rainbow gay and now all of a sudden the same 0.65

05:29:08.320 corporations that are like turbo gay are like nah we're not really that gay based on the political 0.95

05:29:16.120 climate and i don't think we can trust either the far degenerate position or the far conservative 0.94

05:29:26.080 position as being honest. Their position is what's going to make them the most money in the

05:29:32.660 current circumstance. And I say that when it becomes popular to agree with us, a lot of people

05:29:41.780 will come to our side. A lot of people will leave when it is popular to be against our core values.

05:29:49.180 What we want to try to do slowly over the course of years is to gather the people when they are inspired to come home to tradition and to their gods and to keep and hold on to them when that becomes less exciting or less new or less trendy.

05:30:09.180 trendy it's a slower process but it's one that when you and again I talk like I'm this old man

05:30:19.300 I'm not I'm in my 40s hopefully I got 40 more years left in me or so that said I've seen this

05:30:28.240 ebb and flow throughout my life and I imagine it will continue to do so so being able to capitalize

05:30:37.280 on trends and keep those that we're able to bring home when those trends change is a challenge.

05:30:48.420 And we always want to be well positioned to get the best out of surges and to retain the most

05:30:57.180 when we have, you know, ebbs or dearths of popular support.

05:31:02.580 what is truly the test of time is when our faith and our values endure through both of those

05:31:12.320 extremes to where we stay with a consistent moral narrative regardless of what's popular

05:31:20.920 or what's unpopular and that's what really speaks to the genuineness of conviction

05:31:27.860 that's displayed over years and over decades and not over months so by all means i am happy

05:31:39.000 when trends are in our favor but i also stay the course and i'm not dismayed when trends aren't

05:31:46.660 there's opportunities in both scenarios so we need to be wise enough to find those

05:31:51.900 in both both ends of the pendulum swinging so the next question matt is your tie that shiny

05:32:01.900 or is that my screen bugging out also does the afa sell that beautiful mjolnir so thank you

05:32:08.700 for saying my mjolnir is beautiful and it is and i'm excited about it um it is silver

05:32:15.580 It was once gold overlaid, but that's kind of worn off over the years on some of the details.

05:32:23.480 But it's the same pattern as the very first Mjolnir I had.

05:32:28.960 And I found the very first one I had at the museum store in the mall, the Fifth Avenue Mall in Anchorage, Alaska.

05:32:38.480 Malls used to be a thing, kids.

05:32:41.080 And in those malls, we used to have a store called the museum store.

05:32:44.880 and it had cool little historical oddities and one of them was it had uh mjolnir pendants

05:32:51.920 and it had one in brass that's the same pattern this is based off of

05:32:57.860 um and i gave it to my daughter and she still has it

05:33:02.140 um but no the afa does not sell this pattern of hammer currently um my tie is in fact shiny

05:33:13.160 What appears to be white is actually like silvered thread.

05:33:17.240 It really is shiny.

05:33:19.120 And that's kind of cool.

05:33:20.600 So I think it's equal parts, my tie being shiny,

05:33:23.600 and your resolution on your computer playing tricks on you.

05:33:28.860 Is it safe to describe the Austro-Folk Assembly as a form of economic populism? 0.97

05:33:36.120 No, I refuse to be put in those kind of silly boxes.

05:33:42.480 an interesting question though it is an interesting question what i would say in relation to the

05:33:49.520 question so the term nation

05:34:03.040 it means a people with a common point of origin or a common shared birth

05:34:11.360 a shared uh

05:34:15.120 naval a shared beginning of their source of existence it implies a connectivity that we

05:34:25.120 don't have in the multicultural west so in the sense that what the afa seeks to do 0.97

05:34:34.960 is to growingly take our resources

05:34:41.080 and share them amongst our folk

05:34:45.300 and amongst our fellow Auxituar

05:34:48.660 to build a golden age within the husk of the wolf age that surrounds us.

05:34:58.260 That is how I would describe it.

05:35:00.880 There are ways that that is quote-unquote economic populism, but more accurately, it's defining our allegiance and our identity by our shared faith and core values in the House True Folk Assembly,

05:35:21.800 as opposed to our geolocation in modern nation states that don't reflect our commonality and our shared values.

05:35:37.740 I can keep going on, but I think that expresses it the most succinctly.

05:35:43.880 Svon, do you have any thoughts on that?

05:35:46.220 No, I think you hit that concisely.

05:35:49.380 i i just i never conceptualized it at all in that regard so it's just an interesting question i

05:35:58.420 think when it comes to the economics of um money going out of our people and money being utilized

05:36:07.700 against our people then we have issues i think if there was a chance for us to

05:36:15.860 change that to go out into the world and i don't know politically like legitimately politically

05:36:25.060 join in the discourse and uh and then to vote in our interest and and and do these things

05:36:34.340 um but i think that goes far beyond money but it's just it was a really cool question

05:36:38.980 no it it really is we have a expression put your money where your mouth is or whatever else

05:36:48.020 and nothing that i think we're advocating is particularly revolutionary but the idea of taking

05:37:00.020 your

05:37:02.700 your power

05:37:06.340 and the things that you wield

05:37:08.020 in this world and putting it

05:37:10.160 towards the common use

05:37:11.800 of our faith

05:37:14.260 and our

05:37:15.560 family and community

05:37:17.780 builds what we want for

05:37:21.900 our future far more than

05:37:23.840 putting it towards

05:37:25.280 modern nation states

05:37:28.020 and the current situation we find

05:37:29.800 themselves in it. Nationalism is awesome and amazing if it's expressed literally in what

05:37:43.160 nationalism means. The more we are disconnected from our neighbors and from the governments

05:37:52.880 that rule the lands that we occupy, the more with our discretionary income, it's important

05:38:02.240 for us to place that in service of our gods, our faith, and our core values.

05:38:12.800 Unfortunately, the powers that be in a lot of the nation states that we live in no longer

05:38:20.700 are in the best interest of the populations that have given rise to them and that's unfortunate

05:38:27.800 where you have the discretionary power with your income you get more for your investment

05:38:36.100 putting it towards things that you truly value and truly believe in like the

05:38:42.360 House True Folk Assembly than putting it towards diverse interests that typically don't go to our

05:38:54.280 folk. So, you know, I say that and it sounds, sounds less cool than I want it to. I was raised

05:39:04.680 very patriotic i love the idea of patriotism in its best historical use it's what i believed a

05:39:16.520 lot growing up in the 1980s it's what i wish was still a very viable thing in the world that we

05:39:26.440 live in today i have increasingly found myself in places and positions where

05:39:34.680 The country that I live in and the municipalities that I live in don't care about my best interest, but care about the best interest of other people's and other things.

05:39:48.780 And so where I have the discretion to donate my money and donate my time and donate my investment mentally, physically, and spiritually, I'd much rather put it towards something that unites the people that share commonality with me.

05:40:06.060 And that's the Ask True Folk Assembly.

05:40:09.520 And I think that's probably the, I don't know, the nicest and best, the cleanest way I can put it.

05:40:18.780 um do the american pagan community quote-unquote pagan communities ever have a conference or are

05:40:29.720 they too different just curious i i do know about the uh we were talking in the chat a little bit

05:40:40.760 I just had a little placement on that. I know that the universalist Norse pagan and the eclectic pagan circles gather together, I think sometimes once a year.

05:41:03.820 The last one I heard about was in Canada, and again, it's really just them going there to confirm that their religion upholds Marxist ideals, and that's about it.

05:41:20.400 and a big kumbaya and a pat on the back and a feel good um outside of that

05:41:29.020 there isn't really anyone else except for the people that maybe have an internet presence

05:41:35.340 um where they'll they'll present themselves as being ousted through but then they do things

05:41:45.280 say things that do not fit in the presentation of what it means to be true to the Aesir,

05:41:53.280 and then you just have a lot of scraggling tatters of different groups, or groups that

05:42:00.460 are more scholastic but are pretending to be religiously pious, or you have

05:42:08.160 um viking show people who like to wear furry shoulder pelts and have mohawk ponytails um

05:42:19.280 and adorn their face with soot and smut and whatever they're putting on their faces um

05:42:27.520 again to stroke their egos because they don't really view the gods as real they're not this

05:42:35.200 isn't a religion to them this is the gods are not um part of a gift cycle that we're attempting to

05:42:43.520 uh broach and step forward instead again it's just um history channel cool music viking go bonk

05:42:57.760 uh drink mead um and and and they eventually they fail away those again some of those people have

05:43:07.600 transferred over very few but some of them have come in and suddenly realized like whoa and it

05:43:13.520 changed their whole outlook of life and what they were doing but most of them were never religious

05:43:19.680 to begin with and we find ourselves in that middle ground christians thinking that we're

05:43:26.400 you know evil satanic pagans that are going to burn churches down and we have no morals

05:43:33.360 and then we have marxist leftists who and atheists who are thinking that we're 0.55

05:43:40.640 part of their whole miniature revolution against western society and we are neither so

05:43:55.840 So, by and large, and our law speaker would say that they are both by and large pagans

05:44:12.900 in the pagan community in America, that's not real. 0.98

05:44:20.400 Those people are gross. 0.94

05:44:22.180 um most people are discussing degenerates their paganism is an opt-out from traditional values 0.99

05:44:30.120 uh an alleviation simply has nothing in common with the lefty rainbow

05:44:38.360 degenerate coalition of quote-unquote paganism in the united states and it's very unfortunate 0.53

05:44:45.560 Because we are unfairly lumped in with, you know, the conservative traditionalist position in the United States is very heavily represented by Christianity. 0.95

05:44:59.240 and the completely degenerate orgy group of mentally unwell individuals may call themselves 0.80

05:45:12.100 pagan, but it's in opposition to traditional values. And that's not where we're at. So I never 0.85

05:45:19.260 describe myself as pagan. We always describe ourselves as ostracists. We don't share any 0.93

05:45:26.000 commonality with general quote-unquote paganism in the United States. So no, there's no like

05:45:33.600 convention or teaming up because we have very, very different values. We are much more aligned

05:45:41.280 in terms of values with conservative Christianity in the United States than we are with

05:45:48.720 quote-unquote paganism because most pagans in the united states don't really believe in anything

05:45:56.280 they are just anti-tradition and anti-christian values

05:46:01.980 um so it leaves us in a very strange spot where we support a lot of traditional western values

05:46:10.360 that the Christian community supports,

05:46:14.880 but we don't agree with them in any way theologically.

05:46:21.220 We also don't agree theologically with the quote-unquote pagans

05:46:25.640 because they're not sincere people,

05:46:28.640 but we greatly differ with them with any kind of political or social values.

05:46:34.520 So it puts us in a strange third position that's not represented by either of those two groups.

05:46:45.300 But no, the American pagan circles are very different and divergent than anything that we would describe as our core values or common belief.

05:46:58.820 Even if you were to remove the

05:47:01.860 Quotations

05:47:04.420 Paganist from the question 0.61

05:47:05.920 And substitute in 0.59

05:47:07.600 Fulkish 0.68

05:47:10.140 Norse gods people 1.00

05:47:12.160 I would also say

05:47:13.640 No there's no convention

05:47:15.800 Because that's either what 0.98

05:47:18.100 The Norena or the Odinic Rai 0.98

05:47:19.900 And they're either 0.95

05:47:21.000 Academics who know nothing about spirituality 1.00

05:47:23.540 Or they're 1.00

05:47:24.520 People who don't actually do anything

05:47:27.400 so right they're either existent or they're they're falling uh they're dissidents against us 0.98

05:47:35.000 yeah those people don't really exist the afa one of the interesting challenges the astro

05:47:42.280 folk assembly and i'll put this out there is finding something to measure ourself against

05:47:48.360 there was a time 20 years ago when there were a number of different ausitru

05:47:55.960 national organizations that all had a certain amount of equivalency.

05:48:02.520 That's no longer the case. The other, you know, alternatives to the AFA don't exist in the real

05:48:09.940 world. They have pulled far back on their real world existence. In the meantime, the AFA has

05:48:19.500 established four hops we get together dozens of times every week and exist very much in the real

05:48:28.180 world so any of those other groups don't say what they will they don't matter and they don't count

05:48:36.700 the only thing that they do is sometimes they siphon off people that should be with us that

05:48:42.960 choose to not be but they don't offer any actual real world alternative so the only thing we have

05:48:51.920 to compare to and this is a challenge and this isn't really to the question it's just to put

05:48:56.160 there to our audience we have the numbers to be a very big church in a town but we're spread out

05:49:07.520 over the world so our closest comparisons are things like jehovah's witnesses or the catholics

05:49:14.880 or the muslims or the mormons and we're not numerically large enough to make those comparisons

05:49:25.280 so we occupy a strange area that we don't have anything similar to to compare ourselves to

05:49:36.800 so we're pioneering a new space in the world that presents its own benefits and its own challenges

05:49:46.080 to figure out but any of the other quote-unquote pagan things and that's not real those are largely

05:49:55.040 online concerns and unfortunately their real world existence is very very lacking

05:50:02.880 um has the afa been tracking the private town movement where groups are buying land and creating

05:50:11.440 private communities so sort of we've heard about a lot of that we have not seen a lot of that

05:50:19.040 manifest in the real world but we do hear about a lot of that and one of the things that we're

05:50:25.680 trying to do along those lines and we've been working towards for a while is to get our

05:50:33.520 membership to one move to jackson county tennessee my family is going to move there

05:50:43.440 hopefully swan's family is going to move there a number of afa leadership families are planning to

05:50:49.280 move there and get as many of our members who would like to and our producer nick has already

05:50:54.400 moved there to get to jackson county tennessee to build the afa's capital and to build a community

05:51:01.120 within that uh relatively small population wise county that's our current goal in those regards

05:51:12.880 the second thing is if we have people that are unable or unwilling to do that to get them to

05:51:18.640 move closer to a hof near them. Eventually, we will get a hof close to everybody, but that is

05:51:26.940 dramatically accelerated when we're able to build based on people moving towards our existent hofs.

05:51:37.220 There's various things that I've seen a lot of people talk about, about intentional communities

05:51:42.120 and moving closer together, and what I've always felt and continue to feel is that can take a lot

05:51:47.820 of different forms. There are a lot of us that sit back and one of these days, one of these things

05:51:56.140 happens, we'll jump. One of these days, one of these days never comes. Intentional community can

05:52:04.080 be, hey, you and a bunch of other people that share your core values, get houses next to one

05:52:10.480 another in a neighborhood. Get apartments in the same building in a completely urban

05:52:18.300 conception. If we had a whole bunch of people that all were AFA members and they all got

05:52:24.000 apartments in the same building, that would be amazing. Imagine an apartment building

05:52:29.380 with, you know, 200 rooms and you had 50 of those were AFA members.

05:52:34.940 they could do amazing stuff there they could gather around by the pool or by the hot tub or

05:52:41.380 by the grill or whatever you could build amazing community that way you could also do that in a

05:52:48.720 rural setting with everybody having property next to one another there are a lot of ways you can do

05:52:54.940 it but i think too often our folk wait for the perfect way to do it man one of these days when

05:53:01.880 there's an intentional afa town and everybody is then then i'll move there well one of these

05:53:08.200 when it's a whole county then then one of these days when and that never happens when somebody

05:53:14.860 else does it for me when several somebody else's do it for me then i'll come in and we'll make it

05:53:24.960 happen. The truth of this is every place that we have a

05:53:31.480 Hoff, every place that we have members to get together

05:53:35.540 regularly, all has the exact same origin story. Somebody was

05:53:46.140 once there by themselves and emailed the AFA and say, Hey, I

05:53:51.400 I apply for membership. How do I make stuff happen where I am? Is there anybody near me?

05:53:58.900 The AFA, whoever, quote unquote, the AFA is at the time, says, no, there's nobody close to you,

05:54:07.100 but we'd love to support you if you want to build something. Here are the closest people

05:54:12.720 in neighboring areas. Let's make it happen. And one person steps up and says, cool,

05:54:19.240 I'll host it.

05:54:20.680 Let's go to my favorite restaurant.

05:54:22.700 Let's go to my favorite park.

05:54:24.780 Let's go to my house.

05:54:27.960 And then another person joins and sees that person's there and they go.

05:54:34.420 And then two guys hang out by themselves and look odd at a park or at a restaurant.

05:54:41.060 Man, there's more of them.

05:54:43.080 It's cool.

05:54:43.620 I'll see you next month.

05:54:44.760 then eventually if you do it for a few months there's somebody else maybe one of those guys

05:54:52.100 brings his wife or his girlfriend maybe he brings his wife and his girlfriend and she's like man i'm

05:54:59.040 the only chick here what's up with that well cool i'll bring my wife my girlfriend or my girlfriend

05:55:05.260 brother so um typically you don't have those two things concurrent so and then that happens

05:55:17.100 and over time the snowball builds as it rolls down the hill and a year later you've got five

05:55:26.620 or ten families to get together that's awesome it all starts that way and the momentum of the

05:55:34.860 snowball varies but every place that we have people it's because somebody was willing to

05:55:41.660 step up and pioneer it and say hey i'm here but i'm a member and if you have other people send

05:55:49.260 them my way and we'll do something okay cool i'll host a moot afa members y'all are welcome to come

05:55:57.740 over and we'll have some drinks and we'll have dinner and we'll do a little bloat it'll all be

05:56:02.380 good i have the privilege and the honor of being able to go to odenshoff and i go there and even

05:56:12.620 at a bad event we got you know 30 adults and six seven kids and we're doing awesome we have an

05:56:19.740 amazing event i remember when i started at my house in uh in anchorage alaska

05:56:27.900 and having one or two other people come over and we do what we can we have a humble meal

05:56:39.040 get together we have a stumble maybe we all go outside maybe i don't you know we do something

05:56:44.720 in my yard or at different times when i didn't have that we go to a park we get together and

05:56:50.760 do a bloat but that became you know three four five ten people all of these things build and

05:57:01.480 they start from that very simple one person or one family willing to host and willing to build

05:57:08.040 something around them it's the only way it can happen but it's the way that it consistently

05:57:13.640 happens and it's beautiful. So our last question of the night, what are the plans for Frazehoff

05:57:22.940 now that Njordshoff has paid off? I'm glad you asked. So as we've said this entire time,

05:57:31.660 the idea for Frazehoff is somewhere in either eastern Ohio or western Pennsylvania,

05:57:42.480 And there's a little tiny lip of like upstate New York or a little tiny chunk of West Virginia that are kind of in that area.

05:57:53.320 But that's where we're targeting it.

05:57:57.300 That's been the plan this whole time.

05:58:00.060 We've had people working hard in the area to figure that out.

05:58:05.120 We are looking at properties and trying to get it figured out as we speak.

05:58:10.420 actually had the Erickson's check out a property last weekend to see if that property would be

05:58:20.200 suitable for our needs. So we're working on that. We'll see how fast it goes, but we're putting in

05:58:27.720 our due diligence to make it happen. And that's the plan. So somewhere in that part of the country,

05:58:34.320 That is where phrase off will be.

05:58:38.020 And we're working towards that pretty steadily.

05:58:43.040 Hopefully we can move on that relatively quickly, but we're very excited for it.

05:58:50.120 We've got a number of people that have been looking forward to it for years now, and we've got really cool plans for it.

05:58:58.460 So stay tuned.

05:58:59.560 We've got some really neat things in the future, but we are very excited to get Lord Freya's Hoff.

05:59:06.060 It's been longer than I think we want, and he is well due a Hoff. 0.77

05:59:15.300 Wish we could have given it to him a thousand years ago, but we're here today, and hopefully we can give him a Hoff very soon.

05:59:23.800 and that's what we've got for this evening it's been almost six hours i appreciate you guys all

05:59:33.960 being here some of our answers have been very long-winded but i appreciate you guys sticking

05:59:40.340 around longest show in months and months you know it happens it is sometimes it'd be like that

05:59:49.660 Svon, thank you so much for being here and sharing your wisdom with us, as always.

05:59:55.460 Thank you for having me.

05:59:56.860 Look forward to finishing this up with you two weeks from today.

06:00:03.560 And everybody else out there, we'll see you guys next week.

06:00:08.200 And Svon, I hope you'll be joining us in the chat room on that,

06:00:11.680 where we talk about Gothic loyalty to the Aesir

06:00:16.700 and the epic struggle that our Gothic ancestors had

06:00:23.200 against a waxing Christianity at the time.

06:00:28.980 We'll talk about a couple, say a couple, 0.78

06:00:32.380 we'll talk about three new heroes that we're going to celebrate in that episode.

06:00:37.020 And we'll be joined by folk builder Chris Savage

06:00:39.960 to kind of explain and give context to that time

06:00:43.980 and to those standout men who championed the Iseer

06:00:51.980 in the face of adversity.

06:00:54.340 Until next time, hail the Iseer, hail the folk, hail the AFA.

06:01:00.420 Remember, victory never sleeps.

06:01:04.160 Thanks, everybody.

06:01:09.960 We'll be right back.

06:01:39.960 Thank you.

06:02:09.960 Thank you.

06:02:39.960 We'll be right back.

06:03:09.960 Thank you.

06:03:39.960 We'll be right back.

06:04:09.960 Thank you.

Asatru Folk Assembly - June 05, 2025

6⧸4⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 152 - Völsunga Saga, Part VI

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