00:12:34.780and take counsel of Mimir for himself and his host.
00:12:39.820Then the ash of Yggdrasil shall tremble, and nothing then shall be without fear, in heaven or in earth.0.95
00:12:48.860Then shall the Iser put on their war weeds, and all the champions, and we advance to the field.0.97
00:12:57.920Othen rides first with that gold helmet, and a fair bernie, and a spear, which is called Gomer.
00:13:05.880He shall go forth against Fenris' wolf, and Thor stands forward on his other side, and can be of no avail to him, because he shall have his hands full to fight against the Midgard serpent.
00:13:20.740Freyr shall contend with Surtur, and a hard encounter shall there be between them before Freyr falls.
00:13:28.820It is to be his death that he lacks that good sword of his, which he gave to Skerner.
00:13:35.880Then shall the dog Garmer be loosed, which is bound before Nipa's cave.0.99
00:18:09.140that last bit is uh really powerful and it does kind of show some things that i think people
00:18:20.340like in the voluspau there it when the goddess suffers two calamities uh or two sorrows that
00:18:32.140um is referred to as the goddess clean in the volus bow but here it's clearly it's it's frigg
00:18:43.440and her second loss is is the loss of lord odin um so i definitely think that there is
00:18:51.740and it doesn't happen often but there are times where i think the chroniclers
00:18:58.300are taking in um i per i believe notes that they were taking in notes and transcribing them into
00:19:09.880the the larger corpus of lore and so some things did every now and then get mixed up like when we
00:19:17.440were talking about it last time on with uh loki's sons uh versus loki's son and lord othen's son
00:19:27.280turning into the wolf and slaying the son of his blood brother via his son making it even it's it's
00:19:37.900not him doing it it's the son of him doing it so i i feel like there's these little nuanced
00:19:44.200things that you can kind of see sometimes in one bit of lore that is clear and concise and then on
00:19:52.760the other bit it's like wait a minute are they using that name again or a different name so
00:19:58.440oh i think i made this prediction before um but i will i will go ahead and and say it today today
00:20:19.720we will finish with the guild beginning um i think that's a a reasonable goal
00:20:28.200and uh i think we're well on our way to that um
00:20:38.360spawn would you like to read for them section 52 absolutely
00:20:45.640all right so section 52 starts right after that really just powerful uh chunk of poetry
00:20:58.460uh 52 dwellings after ragnarok so now we begin to go into the aftermath
00:21:07.440Then said Gangliri, What shall come to pass afterward, when all the world is burned and dead, are all the gods and all the champions and all mankind?
00:21:21.420Have ye not said before that every man shall live in some world throughout all ages?
00:21:57.760So here we have Gimli mentioned as, in essence, the further heaven.
00:22:24.540And this may seem confusing, but we've spoken about it before. Our ancestors are looking at the gods as being in Ithavol, which is a valley in a mountain range.
00:22:40.680And that mountain range has a name. Those are the Himenbjerg, the heavenly mountains. And they're in the center of the world in our ancestors worldview. So what in essence is being spoken is that there is a valley or a place in the mountain range that's further.
00:23:05.120uh earlier on in the poem it's made mention again and uh he asked do the gods live there and they
00:23:13.440said no the gods don't live there only wandering alvar passed through there but that this place
00:23:21.160is basically being saved for after ragnarok um so from a story point it's more about uh kind of
00:23:32.980geographical placement in the heavenly mountains. From a spiritual and clearly allegoric point is
00:23:40.700that the gods are in the center of our world and upwards. They're above. They're wreathed by the
00:23:48.320light and the clouds of Leosalfan. And then above that, that's where the gods live. And there is
00:23:56.200ausgarther the encapsulated um place of the gods and also there is yggdrasil and then the roots
00:24:05.960run down and that's why the gods are able to walk to jotunheim or that the jotuns are able to
00:24:13.400walk to the heavenly realm and vice versa was our ancestors were looking at this as kind of more a
00:24:20.440a monoplaned system with neither valor underneath and then even further still niflheim
00:24:31.320is the primordial layers and that's being mentioned here as well so gimli is in heaven
00:24:37.560and um then there is uh the hall called brimmyr um and that that stands at oak only at at the oak
00:24:47.080um grove and then in the neither well there is sindri um and so what it's what in essence is
00:24:58.360happening is the re-establishment of every level of the world view a lot of people don't realize
00:25:08.280that christianity in its beginnings um they of course were ethnically jewish and they were
00:25:16.280carrying on the old law or the torah and they had a uh bifidic nature they believed that there was
00:25:26.440the earth and then there was like the firmament or the the grand kind of ocean above and uh that's0.94
00:25:33.800where yahweh lived um it the upper middle and lower world is an addition of aryan religiosity0.85
00:25:42.520into christianity and um most people don't know that the the pit of fire is in heaven and when0.81
00:25:54.200in in uh the book of job when he's when yahweh is talking to job they're together they're elbow to
00:26:01.560elbow so there is a kind of a twisting of um placement in cosmology even in christianity
00:26:13.080and there has been for us as well in relation mainly i think modern times as we explain
00:26:21.400cosmology we forget that our ancestors did view the world as that the gods were in the center
00:26:28.120and upon heavenly mountains um and we have some people who are trying to change things make it to
00:26:36.000where the roots of the tree uh are all the way down in the primordial that would be very similar
00:26:43.560to like trying to make the base of olympus in hades which it doesn't fit so people are trying
00:26:54.620to move cosmology around and not taking in consideration of these observations that I
00:27:00.600think are often passed over. When we go from scholarly and we have people looking and
00:27:08.880dissecting our lore, they don't look at patterns and they don't look at religious patterns that
00:27:16.360are clearly being kind of laid out there and oftentimes are laid across every branch of
00:27:22.500every Aryan religion and so we end up dissecting to the point that we lose the big picture
00:27:29.980and then when we try to put the picture together some people try to force it and I and many of the
00:27:36.540in the church have tried to painstakingly not force a reimagining but why do our ancestors
00:27:47.960speak about the gods this way? Why do they talk about the Jotnar who disguises himself as a human
00:27:55.320and then he walks to heaven? Because they live on a mountain range. It was almost like a kind of
00:28:03.380grand and simple revelation. So these halls are being established, and this is the first time
00:28:11.300that nether fells or nether nether fellur where the smart elf or the dvergar live and it literally
00:28:23.080means the nether valley so like a veil and they're being re-established the world is broken
00:28:36.500Everything comes apart. And then slowly, the place of residence and then life with humanity, with the folk coming back, the gods reestablish themselves after transformation.
00:28:55.960It is just a zipper of teeth, like closing in to create a completeness again after this great rupturing.
00:29:07.240So then we go even further down. So, uh, neither valor or, uh, neither fells is underneath our feet. It's the, the place where the Dvergar who are spirits of material and energy, and they are the ones that of great pressure, um, matter and energy are combined here in a, in a slightly more
00:29:37.240primordial state than the middle. But then we go even further down into the shadows of Niflheim0.98
00:29:45.200where Helgard is, the encapsulated place. And it speaks on Naustrand in Niflheim.
00:29:56.000There is a great hall and evil and its doors face the north. It is all woven of serpents' backs
00:30:03.300like a wattle house and all the snake heads turn into the house and blow venom so that along the
00:30:11.280hall run rivers of venom they who have broken oaths murderers weighed those rivers that's a
00:30:18.880very important part even as it says here i know a hall standing far from the sun in naustrand the
00:30:27.520doors to northward are turned venom drops fill down from the roof holes that hall is bordered
00:30:36.560with backs of serpents there are doomed to wade the weltering streams men that are main sworn
00:30:45.440and that are murderers but it is worst in vergelmer there the cursed snake tears dead dead men's
00:30:55.120corpses. So the view and understanding why the Hall of Death has serpents and poison and venom
00:31:08.860is, again, the mystery of life and death itself. The snake, the rarity of a snake in Europe,
00:31:19.680especially in the northwest is substantial it's not like australia or any other equatorial
00:31:27.760uh country i'm not saying australia is solely equatorial but um the adder is such a prominent
00:31:39.040point that this small snake can bite you and you die it's the same with the uh spider
00:31:47.680um obviously most people have probably heard of cobweb um cob means in anglo-saxon is head
00:31:56.140uh so uh edder cop is a spider edder and otter are the same source they they mean poison so the
00:32:07.100it's a poison head um the the mystery and the fear of instant death through venom
00:32:16.020Instant death through poison. These all boil down deeply into the social consciousness of our culture. It's the same as why wolves are seen as dreadful because being a society of animal husbandry, the very name Rudolph comes from Rodolpher, which means famous wolf.
00:32:43.880And how does a wolf get famous? It slaughters. So the idea of the wolf being on the edges of society, eating in, or that there are things within us that can simply bite us and kill us.
00:33:03.760So there is the ultimate fear kind of being placed out in reference to death and death is scary. And I don't think that our religion shies away from it. I think that it embraces the concept.
00:33:19.920But I think the problem is, is that we stop there and the transition, the cold ground, the wearing the hell cloak, which is the blood pooling on the back, utilizing her name in synonymous with death.
00:33:42.060A lot of this is shaped by the age, the age of war and just constant conquest.
00:33:52.200Death is so intimate with our folk at this time that there is no doubt in my mind why they placed such heavy, dark emphasis on the realm of the dead.
00:34:07.560Well, no, I want to – this section has a couple of things that are really important.
00:34:13.880And one facet that I think – and this is an endless thing by drive-by people that don't give a lot of critical thought.
00:34:26.880And it's a fair place to start, but it's – I always caution it's really important to trace things back logically and try to make stuff make sense.
00:34:36.380So, one thing that is made really apparent in this section of this poem, and specifically, is the immortality of the soul.
00:34:59.040It's interesting, and I know a lot of people are like, oh, but your gods die at Ragnarok, this and that.
00:35:06.380Well, much earlier in the poem, Balder dies, but clearly he still exists, and they go visit him, and we've been through that in this very piece.
00:35:19.800We see this poem focusing on the death of the gods, but then the follow-up that we see in this section is, yeah, but you said that all men go on living throughout all ages, so where do they go?
00:35:36.380okay cool here's where they go and it stratifies like
00:35:43.980stratifies where they go they go um to the heavens and they go and can be closer to the
00:35:51.740gods there's places with the ancestors there's like the super good spot in gimli that they find
00:35:58.220themselves there's also dead that find themselves you know in hell there's the real bad dead that
00:36:07.340find themselves in nostrum and the other element of that is at the end of that process at the worst
00:36:13.660in um uh they find which is the bubbling boiling spring in this like churning wellspring where
00:36:30.860stuff comes from where like things are broken down and recirculated throughout the cosmos0.98
00:36:39.820you have nidhogger like and rending the corpses of the dead and sucking the marrow of their bones1.00
00:36:48.860so you have this dissolution and destruction of the worst of the worst that are just1.00
00:36:54.780irredeemable in their vileness they're broken down into parts and those parts go back out to
00:37:01.900get recycled into into existence but you see that the dead go somewhere not only do they go somewhere
00:37:12.540they go and exist there and do stuff there you also see the gods go somewhere and do things you
00:37:22.220see that balder exists even after he is quote unquote dead he moves his station he moves his
00:37:29.340location moves emphasis but you those things don't die like that and i think that's a nature
00:37:40.220of our existence to understand and i think what it does is it informs a lot of
00:37:49.500a lot of confusions that some people have one of those is the assumption that everybody just
00:37:55.740reincarnates that's not what our lord talks about it talks about the destruction of wicked souls
00:38:05.580like particularly wicked ones and it talks about those being broken down into parts but it doesn't
00:38:11.420talk about the ancestors doing it there's very few references to that but here you see them existing
00:38:17.820and existing throughout the ages in these different places doing things in an afterlife
00:38:24.520You can't have that one-for-one reincarnation and that.
00:38:28.180Now, again, all things are, you know, a vast array of things are possible by the will of the gods.
00:38:36.900But that's certainly not the standard course of the afterlife.
00:38:40.960And I think it's really informative here, too.
00:38:43.540People have criticized how Christian this sounds.
00:38:48.800It's important to note that's not a Christian thing.
00:38:52.940that's a pagan concept in christianity the dead die and they are dead and they await the
00:39:00.740resurrection the idea of you die and you go to heaven or you turn into an angel or you whatever
00:39:07.460that's not biblical that's not in there that's not a thing you await the resurrection and then
00:39:16.600you get judgment and you get stuff when there's you know a heavenly possibility after the
00:39:23.300resurrection um it's a much later christian concept this idea that the dead go to heaven
00:39:29.140like immediately and the idea that they can be transmuted into some kind of angelic form
00:39:35.180into some kind of dungeons and dragons beholder creature that isn't a biblical thing either
00:39:44.740the fact that they can go on and be your guardian angel is very much an out of truth
00:39:50.980thing that your ancestors can choose to be messengers from the other world to you
00:39:58.980they can visit you in dreams in extraordinary circumstance they can have some sort of
00:40:06.020corporeal appearance to you them being able to do that and being able to watch on as
00:40:13.220the seer these are all also true concepts they're not biblical concepts so when you notice something
00:40:22.820in also true that has something in common with christianity
00:40:29.620figure out why that is is it because it has bible desert jewish stuff or is because it's
00:40:37.540a spirituality that medieval christians held on to after you know after their conversion
00:40:44.180and i think that's very much at play with a lot of the things that are accused here
00:40:47.860of being christian elements because it's very much not
00:40:53.940the oh nick were you gonna say something i was just gonna say that we just had a question asking
00:41:00.500for specifics i i just saw that come in i was gonna say something and then i don't know if
00:41:06.900if we're going to address, um, that that's, I'll see what it's called, but, um, one of the things
00:41:13.120too, is that there is the elemental breakdown of, of Vergelmer, the churning and spinning whirlpool.
00:41:22.340There is a route. Most people might not have caught it, but it's the first route of Yggdrasil.
00:41:29.140um it's mentioned as being the first root the third root is in heaven so there is the heavenly
00:41:39.200mountains there is ausgard in the heavenly mountains and there in the center of all things
00:41:46.740from top to bottom is yggdrasil and its roots go where few know that's mentioned over and over and
00:41:53.800over again. And one route burrows through and goes eastward into Jotunheim. And one goes so low
00:42:02.700into Niflheim because that's its tap route. And so there is a connection between the lowest realm
00:42:09.920and the upper realm, but nothing goes up that route whole. It is the disassemblement. But when
00:42:20.520Yggdrasil brings forth its dew. Its dew drops fall back into the well of earth and the gods
00:42:31.060are there adjudicating. So the new souls from the old, pieces passed on by ancestors, it's all
00:42:42.800right there just not overtly spoken of um i often talk about how we are in debt to the dead uh that
00:42:53.680it is a clear sense that our ancestors they are more that you can't be a one for one thing because
00:43:00.160then there's no there's no one there on the other side so we are clearly in debt to the dead plus
00:43:08.320the knowledge of our ancestors is so important that's lost if it's immediately recycled repackaged
00:43:15.120and sent up but there are exceptions with the way the gods do things and we also have like
00:43:22.720i was here he said the the guardian angel concept which is not christian is absolutely in our faith
00:43:30.240with the dc and the alvar and uh same with the native american spirit animal they don't have
00:43:37.120that, that's clearly a blood memory from us of the Philkia. We see this. And another thing that I
00:43:48.020think is really important, when you look at like the writings of Paul, he blatantly says it, that
00:43:55.780the dead are waiting for Yahweh and his, in essence, his bailiff, the Messiah, to come down,
00:44:04.440the dead shall walk the earth and they will be judged um so that goes so far away from
00:44:13.160what most christians view even today um but for us the soul traverses over rivers um every world
00:44:25.240is kind of bordered by rivers there are 11 rivers in the underworld and two of them that embark
00:44:33.440around the land of the dead have specific purposes one of them is and the other is slither
00:44:40.080survives in our language with the word yelp or to cry out so i often translate this as the river of
00:44:49.260mournful cries and then slither is cruel and it's uh described as uh ice blades and swords that
00:44:58.220shred anything that that goes into it and those are the rivers that the really bad dead have to
00:45:06.620cross when they reach naustrand or the nether strand strand of sand or a beach so um it's there
00:45:17.880that uh you find this these liminal crossings we also see it when say like lord thor goes from the
00:45:26.400heavenly realm into the Jotunheim. So I think it's important that the traversing of the soul
00:45:36.640is a huge part of our faith and all Arian European faiths. The very title psychopomp
00:45:45.540that's utilized, say, in the description for Hermes is, or Chauron is the farrier of the souls.
00:45:54.380our concepts of death are not it is it's traveling christianity did not have that now i know most
00:46:04.880people that might have grown up christian when i came to america and and uh learned about
00:46:08.960christianity getting those little pamphlets i knew that like based on those pamphlets
00:46:14.820if i watched football on sunday that was the devil and if i died some androgynous toga wearing
00:46:22.560featherbacked person is going to come down and carry me like a psychopomp up into this place0.99
00:46:30.840to be judged. And that's not the way they believed it. And Paul mentions it numerous times.
00:46:39.680And there is only one other group that believes that when you die, you go into kind of this
00:46:45.360slumber until the judge and the bailiff show up. And that's the Jews.0.99
00:46:52.560And that's because Saul of Tarsus was ethnically a Judean.0.94
00:46:59.300So a lot of people don't even realize these glaring truths right in front of their faces because they've been so inundated by Aryan culture.0.94
00:47:10.500That's why they believe that Christianity is European, Christianity is Aryan, Christianity is white, etc., etc.0.97
00:47:18.240problem so i want to we've got a couple of questions that are very much related to what
00:47:25.360we're talking about and because we only have two uh sections left to read today i'd like to go ahead
00:47:30.480and hit those because i think they're they're relevant but i want to do
00:47:36.640kind of a i want to do them in reverse order and i guess this i don't know this question
00:47:42.960um so the first quest the question is basically what is one solid example that illustrates
00:47:52.480christianity's appropriation of european slash aryan cultural values and one example of jewish
00:47:59.360slash christian values that were scrapped cool i'll put a pin in that for a second
00:48:06.160because another wombat uh suggests not to argue but appropriation feels like a strong word i think
00:48:15.320there are ideas and concepts that are timely timeless and inherently truthful so
00:48:20.560i see why you would suggest that and i do think that something we face a lot is there are shared
00:48:31.560experiences in the world that are just real different religions have a different context
00:48:38.120for them maybe a different title for some of the same things and we do run into that and run into
00:48:44.680that on this program and a couple of things like demons there are bad spirits in the world i think
00:48:51.400our ancestors would call them you know yotnar or trolls or you know a variety you know hags a
00:48:59.560variety of other you know spooky things christians would call them demons um0.93
00:49:08.040aramaic it was should dim i was going to say arabs might call them uh well or genies yeah the arab
00:49:15.880uh sorry the arab is the jinn and the christian early christian like what jesus would have said
00:49:21.880is so there's a variety of things like that that i do think there's overlap on but appropriation
00:49:28.040here i think is really important specifically because the church fathers specifically the pope
00:49:35.960and the roman catholic church issued proclamations saying no adopt their stuff to help convert them
00:49:44.680change their things as little as possible to convert the aussitur into christianity
00:49:51.960and i can try to look over the side and get a reference for that but that was a very
00:50:25.420change their heroes to saints, like, literally appropriate their things to make it more palatable
00:50:33.680and to make the conversion more appealing. So I don't think it's out of bounds to ask the question.
00:50:39.320But back to the original question, though, it's fun. One example that illustrates Christianity's0.98
00:50:46.820appropriation of Aryan cultural values, and one example of Jewish slash Christian cultural values0.88
00:50:52.880that were scrapped my initial knee-jerk was to go the trinity the tripartite um the only reason why
00:51:01.240i'm pointing that out and and that's far more broad than i think this question deserves but
00:51:09.940it is worth noting that christianity fought a war over the trinity and the trinity is such an aryan
00:51:16.560theological concept. In the Greco-Roman world, in the Germanic world, in the Gaulish world,
00:51:23.440in the Slavic world, it is so pervading, but nobody really catches it. The Greco-Roman trinity0.50
00:51:29.860is numbered. Zeus carries a scepter or a lightning bolt, and Poseidon carries a trident,0.98
00:51:38.740but everyone forgets Hades carries a bident. So it's one, two, and three right there in front of
00:51:45.880us. And this numbering of that, the idea of any sort of triplication, the upper, middle, lower
00:51:54.940world, for us two going all the way back from the, in essence, the left, the center, and the right,
00:52:01.360there's, you know, Niflheim, Gunungagap, and Muspelheim. The triplication system is so
00:52:09.340arian and and it doesn't really show up in christianity till after it moves past turkey and
00:52:16.620into uh the greek lands but i i think another concept that um clearly is is i uh also really
00:52:30.700kind of leaned on it is the angels and demons in aramaic they were known as the angels were known
00:52:38.540as malaks which um if anyone needs to know aramaic and hebrew are they they argue about which one is
00:52:47.180first um but i digress on that um so a malak not a moloch a malak was a messenger they took the
00:52:58.380greek word angelos to reference that and then the demon which has a totally different meaning in the
00:53:08.220the Greco-Roman sphere, is the word that they chose in order to translate a word that they
00:53:14.400didn't know if it would go over well with the Greeks, and that's Shedim. So, and when you see
00:53:20.960Shedim, again, you can follow it in the Arabic sense towards the djinn, and you suddenly realize0.82
00:53:28.040there's this chasm between the European side and the Semitic side, and it just managed to kind of
00:53:35.500pole vault over there um so i would say um one of the big ones is just blatant language and
00:53:48.860personage appropriation angels in togas with wings that's completely greco-roman pagan
00:53:57.420And that is the prayers. They were on the statues and reliefs. The symbolic nature of prayers was often seen. And it goes all the way back even to the early Romans and Etruscans as the spirit of a people ascending up to the gods and the halo around the head.
00:54:22.960All of that was directly appropriated from Aryan culture, particularly, and as a joke, but tomato Europe. But there are things, too, from the Germanic, because it took a while for Christianity to move across.
00:54:40.780and then when it came up into the germanic lands the germanic people had their own contentions
00:54:46.140with it and that's where i was here was talking about the germanization but there was also the
00:54:52.140latinization that preceded that so i would say direct words and iconography clearly and when you
00:55:03.900see guys you know the the the the jesus bros on the internet and they've got you know uh the really
00:55:12.000cool buff uh michael foot stomping on the devil which again that's another thing because before
00:55:21.900europe there was multiple hasatons or opponents and um they didn't worship them but they gave
00:55:33.740them offerings of their sins uh to be alleviated from that because they were like uh i don't know
00:55:39.740kind of like just hungry souls um out there trying to eat that um but also you know the biblically
00:55:49.740accurate angels are you know basketballs with with wings and eyeballs and uh you get to greece
00:55:59.180in rome and suddenly they're they're human and they're knightly and they're warrior-esque and
00:56:05.740you can see that's a clear grab they spent most of their early inception in greco-roman society
00:56:13.860destroying statues defacing them toppling them and then after they had finally kind of set0.96
00:56:22.760themselves up as the holy roman empire they took everything that was innate in their blood and what0.83
00:56:28.100they ultimately really liked and erected it, but just in their name. So it was acceptable.0.80
00:56:37.020So the other side of the question, and one example of Jewish slash Christian traditional values0.89
00:56:44.120that were scrapped. Again, I will just reemphasize this whole idea of dying and waiting for judgment1.00
00:56:52.780has been scrapped, and it was scrapped for two reasons. One, Christians were considered heretical
00:56:58.140Jews. Saul of Tarsus was hunting Christians, but everyone in West was like, oh my, he's hunting
00:57:07.500Christians. No, they were considered heretical Jews because Christians were not non-Jewish.0.63
00:57:14.500So Saul of Tarsus, born in Syria, is paid to hunt down heretical Jews who believe that the Messiah is the judge, that the Mashiach, Rabbi Yeshua, is Yahweh.
00:57:34.520And that was a big contentious point long before they started converting non-Jews.
00:57:39.100um so that was wholly scrapped and i think that's what started it is because in the jewish sphere
00:57:47.940they were talking about that the messiah and the judge or the the bailiff and the judge are the
00:57:53.260same and that was rocking a lot of boats so by the time it came over into europe the idea of
00:58:00.860judgment being done at a later date was wholly scrapped no now it's when when the bailiff judge
00:58:09.980shows up uh that's when the judgment of the living is going to happen but those who have
00:58:15.600already accepted him are in heaven and they get to come back and kind of like look over his shoulder
00:58:21.240and be like yeah boy and then they get they get earth they they inherit the earth that all that
00:58:27.700language comes from people not realizing that no it's you die you're in the ground and then
00:58:36.100they show up to judge everyone and then the the the everlasting souls of those who um are just
00:58:45.380prostrating themselves before yahweh inherit the earth so that was wholly scrapped and then it
00:58:53.140just continues to kind of change there's the um everything from rapture and uh the idea of not be0.70
00:59:02.980there's not a bunch of hasitans but no there's one and this one you know the connection between them
00:59:10.900the light and uh the greek luke lucifer or lucifer the light bearer um which has some interesting
00:59:20.820things about it in and of itself. And then they go one step further in the Greco-Roman. They start
00:59:27.320putting horns and all of this imagery on their Shadim that weren't there before. No, the Shadim1.00
00:59:37.600in essence looked like the Molochs and they had the same kind of powers. Another thing that was1.00
00:59:45.180scrapped too that i always find very interesting is the worship of azrael um everyone thinks oh
00:59:51.260man that sounds super spooky it's because it's a semitic name uh azray l um but uh early christians
01:00:00.460in greece and in italy would give prayers to azrael who is the angel of death and they prayed
01:00:08.380to him for benevolence and passing over and uh there are many paintings in honor of him and so
01:00:18.540the incorporation of angel worship has slowly been bled out and i think that that was an adaptation
01:00:27.340to convert pagans but over time it was relinquished i mean here's a list i can go on and on and on
01:00:38.380One last thing, you guys should look up Saul of Tarsus, or Paul, and the honorable pagan.
01:00:45.720He says there's a Jew and a pagan that are able to go into heaven, despite not knowing the law, which is the Torah.
01:00:54.140So it's hard because there's tons and all the cool stuff that white people like about church or about Catholicism or about all the cool stuff is appropriated.
01:01:17.500And I say that and people take issue. It is what it is. But to pick one that's particularly knighthood and militant Christianity.
01:01:31.480um and you know there's warriors of all different races of people with different
01:01:40.340kind of warrior ethos but something really specific about the jewish heresy of christianity
01:01:49.280is their pacifism and their like refusal to be part of that their emphasis on um the meek
01:02:00.220and on peace and non-violence and the long-suffering and like their emphasis on that
01:02:10.360was very unique in its time and very clearly preached by jesus and the early apostles
01:02:20.520um yep uh i just just specifically on that part everyone talks about when jesus flips the
01:02:32.040the uh money changing tables at the temple yes jesus is a is a germanic knight slain because
01:02:38.680he had the audacity to flip over a booth at a at a with some some uh some pharisees selling stuff
01:02:47.320in the temple. But that is correlated to what you just said about pacifism. One of the things
01:02:53.700that Jesus was preaching was the opposite of what Judaism was trying to do with the multiple0.52
01:02:59.260revolts against the Roman Empire. They didn't understand why Yahweh would allow them to take0.90
01:03:05.960over Judea, the Holy Land. And it was revolt after revolt after revolt. And the Mashiach was supposed
01:03:13.040to be this grand uh warrior that comes to morrowind uh judea and kicks out the empire but no this guy
01:03:24.080is saying hey give unto caesar what is for caesar and stop doing this so those two things are so
01:03:31.840correlated but yet they're completely blind to seeing the pacifism part it's really
01:03:38.000because it's not exciting and it doesn't appeal to the european soul
01:03:44.080just as it didn't to our ancestors when you went into europe to these proud warrior chieftains and
01:03:52.500tried like no reject odin and thor and tear instead you should worship this long-haired0.74
01:03:59.400jewish hippie that you know says that you're supposed to you know just uh you know somebody0.68
01:04:06.820hits you you turn the other cheek um no so the adoption of the idea of like a divinely sanctioned
01:04:17.300warrior elite winning victories and glory in the name of divinity that is inherently an adoption
01:04:29.460of european lawyer nobility you saw that amongst the germanic tribesmen you certainly saw it
01:04:36.580amongst the uh roman uh equitas the the roman knight class you saw that a lot and you saw its
01:04:46.420ultimate expression in the knightly orders of christian and crusades that absolutely is a
01:04:53.140adoption of of european warrior nobility culture something that0.57
01:05:01.620you know something that got scrapped culturally those culturally jewish um
01:05:20.180icons and idols that's another one no because they got embraced when you're talking about i
01:05:27.380mean certainly in the medieval church yeah i mean the refusal of icons and idols yeah so0.87
01:05:36.260usury like the the shady stacking of shekels which was a proud jewish tradition was rejected0.66
01:05:47.860um and scrapped in medieval christianity that was was outlawed and it was one of the things that1.00
01:05:53.540only the jews were allowed to do because that was something that was inherently their thing
01:05:59.780medieval christianity was pretty hard on that not being a good thing for a long time
01:06:05.780but we could i mean we could itemize that particular question for forever
01:06:10.660i would like to take a moment to say steven in japan constant donator to the program we
01:06:15.380appreciate you so much uh ten dollars to help us pay off phrase off and five to help us build
01:06:21.300billions thank you for that also rama blake donated 100 towards our south african relief
01:06:31.060for our folk that are oppressed in south africa thank you for that we really appreciate it
01:06:39.940matter of fact i'm doing our second quarter payout i'm kind of figuring that out on the side
01:06:47.780right now hopefully we'll get that sent to folks in south africa i think this month we're going
01:06:53.940to be working through afra forum so we'll get that sent out hopefully tomorrow thank you very
01:06:59.540much for your contribution um we have so okay so we're at the top of the hour we'll get to the rest
01:07:10.580of the thing i want to go ahead with a couple of questions just while we have them uh hey matt
01:07:17.620curious what the Alistair opinion slash beliefs is on divorce. I've been divorced for nine years
01:07:24.980now and raised my son by myself. Is there some kind of negative stigma on that in Alistair?
01:07:32.020Absolutely. I am also divorced though. Divorce is bad. Divorce sucks,
01:07:40.900but we also understand there's truths in life and there's not an endless0.98
01:07:48.760flagellation for making choices. Sometimes you've got to make the best of not good choices.
01:07:59.080Yes, when people are married, they make oaths and commitments to themselves and often to the gods
01:21:29.500doing kindness to other people and to other living things is a nice thing to do
01:21:40.000I think we want our gods to witness us being noble and doing good things.
01:21:46.520I certainly think that our ancestors, you know, you may have a stingy ancestor.
01:21:56.020One of them, you know, some of our ancestors are going to be grumpy and stingy people.
01:22:01.040But in general, our ancestors would be proud of us doing nice things for other people.
01:22:10.000And what is worth speaking on that I've run into about food pantry stuff, we have a certain number of our people that have become very angry with the world the way it is.
01:22:28.040a frustrated situation we find ourselves in and sometimes they allow that frustration
01:22:36.760to sink in and harden their hearts and make them um
01:22:44.440grumpy about kindness especially if that kindness involves other people that are us
01:22:51.160us. I would caution against that. We all get it. We get the stuff going on in the world.
01:23:02.760If the possibility that maybe somebody that's not of our folk comes by and gets food that's
01:23:10.580been donated to the Hoff and, you know, somebody who doesn't look like us that's hungry gets
01:23:17.580a box of macaroni and cheese, if that genuinely hurts your feelings, makes you upset,
01:23:25.020and I'm not saying this to be rude to anybody, I think that is a you thing that maybe you need
01:23:30.880to figure out internally. Don't let, don't let, you know, as the kids would say, the black pill
01:23:39.700make you become the villainous person that our foes would like to paint us as i think that the
01:23:49.960food pantries make our ancestors happy and proud of us i think it makes the gods proud of us
01:23:56.180the other thing it gives our people and i mentioned you know that certain group of our
01:24:01.680people but i think there's more than just that a lot of our people
01:24:04.600spend a lot of time upset, a lot of time internalizing upsetness that they absorb
01:24:12.840online and in other places, having the opportunity once a month for a few hours here and there
01:24:18.840to do something nice and have people who are hungry and in need and down on their luck
01:24:24.500smile and be thankful and happy because we did something nice for them.
01:24:29.460That's a good feeling, and I don't think it's a feeling that all of our people are used to or have an outlet for.
01:24:37.720And I think that's good for the soul and is a nice thing.
01:24:47.580I'm going to go to 7.30 here, and then we'll go to the next section, but I'm going to read questions until then.
01:24:54.020What is the significance of using clockwise direction versus counterclockwise direction?
01:24:59.460spot uh the source of this goes into what we would just call alignment alignment with the gods
01:25:08.260alignment with or law is that um everything moves in this way sun wise so it's the sun way
01:25:18.900um the number 12 its significance um again a lot of people try to oh why aren't you doing metric
01:25:28.600and using Deca, but 12 is such a significant number in our culture, in our math.
01:25:38.400The days, the hours, all of these, the runes, everything is broken down into 12s.
01:25:46.500And it is about moving in alignment with everything else as the gods set them.
01:25:55.320So as the heavenly wardens are placed into their position over the spark of Muspelheim and over the shards of primordial creation, things are placed in movement perfectly and with perfect precision.
01:26:13.400the pulling of the earth, you know, being lifted up and placed down and spun so that it's not too
01:26:22.820hot. Everything is perfect. So when we move sun-wise, we move in that perfection. As we go
01:26:32.280through the wheel of the year, a lot of people don't know this, but Ausitru generally was doing
01:26:36.860an eight spoke wheel and the movement towards the 12 holy tides was again another step towards
01:26:44.520that alignment and making sure that we align our internal selves with the cosmic and so you
01:26:55.160you end up feeling that connection um yes there's logistical reasons too you know you miss one you
01:27:03.260don't have to wait three months for the next one but the significance of the 12 and its usage in
01:27:10.960our culture is so thick that we can't deny it so it's about alignment it's about moving in that
01:27:20.180correct patterning uh uh de soil i think diesel de soil and widershin widershin being against
01:27:29.980the sun so that's kind of where it comes from
01:27:33.100what spawn said so it depends i could see it comes if you're trying to unravel something
01:27:48.420or if there was some kind of a ritual that you were trying to undo like i could see a situation
01:27:55.380where you're going with our shins intentionally,
01:28:00.040but we want to make all of the things we do,
01:28:03.180especially in ritual, have meaning to them and have purpose.
01:28:08.080By movement in the ritual space being done sun-wise or clock-wise,
01:28:15.840we're acknowledging the natural order of things.
01:28:19.580we're acknowledging the alignment with order and solar might and doing that consistently and
01:28:28.540regularly kind of ingrains that in a subtle non-myrtle way that we all partake of um i also
01:28:38.060want people to know it comes from you from else here go these movement uh matter of fact when it
01:28:45.020when we were discussing this i think you and i were kind of like i don't know debating about it
01:28:50.940and the movement uh towards that and i was so ingrained in my old way of thinking and that's
01:28:58.860another problem i think we have in our faith is that some people who have been practicing
01:29:03.020for a long time they get introduced an idea and they lose the concept of alignment because
01:29:11.500that's just the way they've been doing it and they they get aggravated and not having the ability to
01:29:18.380see that and uh you know again i don't think that al-siragothi is making these things up
01:29:25.580just for fun it there's a guidance here and you know i have studied the gods for a very long
01:29:32.460time i've had a very long relationship but i do believe that al-siragothi is gaining insight
01:29:40.220whether through inclination the blood however it may be but if he comes to me and says
01:29:50.060uh we're gonna do we're gonna we need to do 12 there's something wrong here there's an ailment
01:29:56.300and i kind of you know shake my fists and gnash my teeth and then i come around to an understanding
01:30:03.980And then suddenly I realized the wisdom. This is part of that alignment there. There is so much to these patterns that can be seen. I just I find it kind of disgusting that people are so resistant in these respects when, you know, I have the freedom to protest.
01:30:23.220that's great that's what that's about but at the same time my blindness uh if i protest to the
01:30:33.280point where i flake off and run away take my toys and go home because the game's not going the way
01:30:38.740i want it to go it's very childish but instead to look at why why is al-sirgoldi saying this
01:30:47.580There's an ailment there. He has an inclination or however it's coming to him. Why not consider this? And then once the considerations passed, it's like, oh, no, this is absolutely the way we needed this for so long.
01:31:04.600So there are many Alcetruer coming into the faith that will never know the eight spoke wheel or what have you. And really, it's a part of our history, but it's not, I don't think it's necessary. I think it was a stepping stone to what we were ultimately building towards. And I think Alcetruer Goethe saw that.
01:31:26.720so well i don't see that very often no i i appreciate that and i appreciate your trust
01:31:34.360in me on that um i don't take that for granted um i'd like to acknowledge our folkwilder
01:31:41.480extraordinaire ron boardman who donated 40 towards our pavilion saying uh regarding divorce
01:31:47.740to help word it off never ever say divorce when arguing and never ever call names
01:32:22.940Okay, one more question, we're going to get back in the text, and then we'll get questions again here when we get this next section through.
01:32:30.400So, I'll tell you, can you talk about why we use swords at Sigurbloat?
01:37:11.900I would also like to point out, there's a second weapon of Thor that very few people speak of, and I wonder if the duality there is the greater weapon, lesser weapon,
01:37:40.660but there is GrÃðrval, the iron rod, as well.
01:37:45.280But after that, Baldr shall come thither and Háðr from hell.
01:42:04.080the very last section of this poem. Thank you guys
01:42:08.360so much for going through this with us it is one that i think is extremely important and that i'm
01:42:16.280very glad you took time on but you guys have been great and it is really a special thing and a
01:42:23.080special opportunity for spawn and i go through these pieces of war together and with all of you
01:42:30.200and answering your questions as they come up i think it's been a really good experience on this
01:42:35.320us. And yeah, appreciate everybody being here for it and being with us on the journey. Swan,
01:42:41.560if you would take us into the final section of this poem.
01:42:46.460Thereupon Gangliri heard great noises on every side of him, and then when he had looked about
01:42:54.420him more, lo, he stood out of doors on a level plain and saw no hall, and there was no castle.
01:43:03.160Then he went his way forth and came home into his kingdom and told of these tidings, which he had seen and heard.
01:43:12.020And after him, each man told these tales to the other.
01:43:17.580Now, here is where Wilkin and other scholars close this edition out.
01:43:23.420But there is an edition from Jonson that goes further in two verses.
01:43:31.520But the Aesir sat them down to speak together and took counsel and recalled all these tales, which had been told to him, their guest.
01:43:42.120And they gave these names that were named before to those men and places that were there, to the end that when long ages should have passed away, men should no doubt thereof, that those Aesir that were but now spoken of.
01:44:00.420And these, to whom the same names were then given, were all one.
01:44:07.560There Thor was so named, and he is the old Ausathor.
01:44:17.360So this section here was added somewhere, and all of the scholars reject this,
01:44:23.460that this has no continuancy in the original text.
01:44:30.420And again, the paragraph I just read, there's some interesting things in that one.
01:44:36.460But all scholars generally reject this is, he is Okuthur, and to him are ascribed those mighty works which Hector wrought in Troy.
01:44:51.320But this is the belief of men, that the Turks told of Ulysses, and they called him Loki, for the Turks were his greatest foes.
01:45:08.000First off, just kind of going backwards, the Turks being of the people of that land, but not the actual Turks.
01:45:17.560By this time, that land had been established, but we're clearly talking about the Trojans.
01:45:28.300They just refer to them as Turks, and they try to correlate Ulysses with Loki.
01:45:36.160And again, there's a reason why this being added on or where it was added on, most scholars reject this.
01:45:44.080But the one before this speaks of the gods, that the gods are named thus and that Thor is Aosathor, that his name goes back further.
01:45:59.860And I think this speaks about evolution.
01:46:02.120This speaks about a spark of memory of that which goes back into the past, that our ancestors ultimately understood that Woden of the Anglo-Saxons or Wotan of the Germans is Odin of their people and vice versa.
01:46:23.120they were not separate gods that they understood that there was linguistic evolution and
01:46:30.580when this is spoken this is 150 years after the official conversion of iceland which was not the
01:46:40.780stopping of the old ways it was just the pinch point if you will um they understood
01:46:50.160that there was an evolution of names there was an evolution of identity of these great gods
01:46:58.300amongst their people and that it was that way for all of the folk um we were just speaking about this
01:47:09.520in the gothar about um the trinity the tripartite and how it is a an element that is universal
01:47:18.640throughout every Aryan branch of religiosity.
01:47:21.880And I think that this verse is lending to an idea of understanding that evolution.
01:49:34.080And it's very hard to kind of speak of just outright.
01:49:38.620But this mythical language of the spiraling of time that's layered on top of each other is a core theological concept in our faith.
01:49:54.440So when you speak of it as the prevention of, yes, there is the prevention of.
01:50:02.680That's 100% the importance of that point.
01:50:09.120But the timelessness, the eternal truth of it is that Ragnarok will happen and has happened.
01:50:18.560And it gets very kind of confusing to vocalize it in a sense without understanding it first, contemplating on the idea that what if these connectivities are happening all at that, at their same time.
01:50:39.280And the reasoning for this, if you want to go into kind of a physical sense, is that Orla and fate, time, movement, all these things flow from the well that is the original source or earth's brunner, earth's well.
01:50:58.060It flows from the upper world into the lower. The gods are above that well looking in. They're touching the well and creating the ripples.
01:51:07.860So the time that they experience, the things that keep them eternal, that which is the golden apples of Idun or Iduna is, they're not apples.
01:51:26.080there it is beyond sometimes i think our own reckoning we see that these you know it's
01:51:34.420spoken of poetically as the apples are like light and the gods are like light and uh heimdall is the
01:51:42.260prismatic gate from the lights of heaven into the middle world and he has one foot there and one foot
01:51:48.260here it's all spoken of in mythic language which is like painting with words and that's where we
01:51:58.660go into the concept of that it has is and will happen and that the eternal nature of every event
01:52:10.740that the gods have gone through is correlative together, that it can be applied at any time.
01:52:22.980I find myself kind of stuttering and skipping or tripping over my words when I attempt to explain
01:52:33.600it because it goes more into the nature of mythos than it does so much with linear time
01:52:44.160concept we have taken mythic time and made it linear in order to understand every branch of
01:52:55.280aryan religiosity has a battle in the beginning or the end and i think that's no coincidence
01:53:03.380in relation to the starting and the stopping of a cycle.
01:53:09.720But it can be applied micro in the self.
01:53:14.440It can be applied macro into the world.
01:53:18.020And so I think that each individual soul
01:53:58.200and the events of the high cosmic war like this
01:54:06.140aren't meant to be chronologically accessible to us.
01:54:13.940They are, they exist in their own thing
01:54:19.800to where they are simultaneously occurring.
01:54:23.880And they're all there to teach us the truth of who our gods are and to help us understand our place in the cosmos and how things work and help us relate to the gods and our faith.
01:54:45.900um it's not that they need to be uh chronologically overlaid onto you know our
01:54:58.340earthly understanding of history we can simultaneously you know balder is the shining
01:55:08.100prince of Asgard. He's also the baby that is the pride and joy of Odin and Frigg. He
01:55:18.020is the tragic victim of treachery. He is waiting in Helheim for his return, and he is returned
01:55:28.900triumphant. He is all of those things at once. So yeah, that's a complicated thing, but the
01:55:36.800idea with all of it is seeing the well one thing with all of it is seeing the pattern
01:55:47.200of earth as it's laid out recognizing currents the gods at a much higher level seeing those currents
01:55:55.520with much greater clarity and much greater understanding and then taking steps to alter
01:56:01.280things and to prepare for things we can all do that and it's one of the
01:56:08.240the promises that if you know enough and you do enough stuff you can change and shift those
01:56:16.540currents is also very richly attested to in our more in our faith it's the reason that
01:56:23.860You know, scold means should and not will.
02:04:09.480And the folk that return, that drink of the dew and hide in the, in Yggdrasil, in the core, they are, their names are life and the will to live.
02:04:27.260so you know i think even our ancestors understood that um that there there is this understanding
02:04:36.580that it's not uh like again when you get into biblical literalism oh no it's adam and eve
02:04:45.360never mind the babylonian adamu or or what have you no it's absolute literalism
02:04:51.960the the reason why there's a masculine and a feminine is because that's divine and that's
02:04:59.280the only way that uh life can be created here in midgard if it's not then it's it's a aberrant
02:05:09.240in some strange way um and so the the masculine and the feminine are represented clearly a man
02:05:17.520and a woman and then they give forth so but their names are life and the will to live that's
02:05:26.080i i don't think that's accidental i don't think that's unintentional um if that's what this is
02:05:33.280relating to um and oftentimes people try to declin declinate like uh different types of
02:05:42.820folk etc or they do it a lot with the jotens uh that there's like somehow some like royal jotens
02:05:50.400because of emmer's upper body and the lower body is the not royal or just kind of churlish um
02:05:59.580without you know hey the the the deluge of blood wipes them all out and it starts with
02:06:08.320back with Barry Elmer and his wife it always kind of gets boiled back down to the polarics of two
02:06:16.060in relation to the genesis of something in our mythos and I think that's primally understood
02:06:26.200but intellectually people try to read too much into it yeah I tend to think it's about
02:06:34.340You know, a couple that survives to populate and to continue the continued process of life.
02:06:49.740But we're just kind of guessing on that.
02:07:25.140so it's fine you have this this comes on a conversation that uh speck and her spawn has
02:07:36.260been like fully engaged in this afternoon so uh spawn has to say i'm gonna let you cook so go
02:07:46.200so if we look at every uh european mix if you will if we look at the greco-roman if we look
02:07:57.560at the slavs if we look at the um the gaulish or gaelic um subgroup of the gauls uh the germanics
02:08:09.040and the subgroup the nords etc you look at all these groups and we see patterns and the biggest
02:08:15.540thing is that we shouldn't try to force the gods into some greater pattern where we say, oh, you
02:08:23.920know, the gods are, this god is actually this god, etc., etc. But what we can admit very, very clearly
02:08:30.060is that what is important to one group might not be as important as to the other group. And what we
02:08:38.700see is the relationship that they have with the gods is different the titles are different
02:08:46.240oftentimes they're still just titles the names of the gods are titles Odin being the furious one
02:08:54.320Thor being the thunderous or the strong Freir meaning the lord these titles but every European
02:09:03.880Proto-Indo-European or Aryan descendant culture has a relationship with the gods and asks them
02:09:13.400in different ways to fulfill. So we speak about it in the Gothar as thrones, because a throne
02:09:21.720can be occupied, that the holy gods can sit in that throne that is to benefit the people,
02:09:30.360because it's built upon the relationship that they're asking the gods to fulfill
02:09:34.980that's why it's so hard like people have like a rudimentary ideas like thor is the god of thunder
02:09:42.400he can't be the god of blessings he can't be the god of war he has to be the god of thunder
02:09:49.220um no that's not the case it that that's when we start pushing the divine into little boxes0.83
02:09:58.140so like again looking at those patterns we know that fun is a gothi spawn also is a barber
02:10:07.380he's also a husband he's also a father he's also my friend he is all of those things those are all
02:10:15.540true he is a complex being that has will and agency and personality so how much more so are
02:10:24.660holy gods right so more so that's yeah that's another thing uh you know like when we as gothar
02:10:33.060we should not go forth to the people and say you know uh you know zeus is tyrannis is uh odin and
02:10:46.120uh shiva and indra and and we're just gonna you know or the evidence but instead we see that
02:10:54.540people are not looking at deeper patterns. There is always an upper and a lower or an earthly
02:11:02.040goddess and an upper god, and they move out of the way. For us, it's Bor and Bestla. For the
02:11:08.800Greco-Romans, it's Kronos and Gaia. So we can see these patterns, and then what is established after0.90
02:11:15.540they move out of the way, or they die, or they change, and of course they don't die and just
02:11:22.180disappear, but things change. And then we have the tripartite, the Trinity that shows up. And
02:11:29.920in particular, the Trinity in relation to the heavenly realm, we have the Lord who is dynamic.
02:11:38.680We have the Lord who is static and we have the Lord who is catalystic and is waiting for things
02:11:46.840to happen in order for him to correct them or purge them. And we see this over and over and
02:11:52.920over again. And most people focus in on the striker as a trope of that Aryan god, whether
02:12:02.280his name is Perun or whether his name is Tyrannus or whether his name is Thor. That is important
02:12:09.920culturally, but it is the God that is all of those. So the other thing I would say that we
02:12:22.620need to take into consideration is that we do not live in a Gaelic or Gallic society.
02:12:30.840We don't even really live in a Hellenic and Roman society. We are heavily influenced by it. Our
02:12:37.600forefathers here in the United States and in pretty much Western civilization are highly
02:12:44.440influenced by Greco-Roman things. But we are a Germanic society. We speak a Germanic language
02:12:52.860or at least the Germanic core. And there are still concepts that are not fully even written
02:12:59.840out that are wholly Germanic and unique. So when we talk about the people should come together
02:13:08.540and honor the gods, we're not asking the people to honor the gods in Old Norse because we're
02:13:15.300LARPing as Vikings. No, the Old Norse is the closest to us. And you can't go deep into any
02:13:26.440of the lore without looking at Old Norse. This isn't to discredit the Anglo-Saxon or the Normani
02:13:33.780or the migration period Germanic tribes or the Eastern Gutens, on and on and on and on. These
02:13:40.780people are, people are splitting hairs and it just gets so redundant. We're spinning our wheels in
02:13:45.500the mud. No, the Old Norse was the closest to us here. They have been Anglicized by scholars,0.69
02:13:54.420but those people didn't believe in the gods they were just writing the stories um and they might
02:14:00.900have been motivated and enticed by the beauty or and that excitement or maybe there was these echoes
02:14:07.060of that connection but no we're saying the closest to us is the old norse all of the corpus of lore
02:14:13.460is there so we will reconnect to that and then we will evolve forward from there there's no tearing
02:14:24.180back to year zero there's no reinventing the god's names um there's no attempt oh well we're
02:14:30.980english so we should go back to anglo-saxon but every time we want to look up lore on the gods
02:14:36.340gotta look at the old norse so there there was this conceptualization and i've run into it a
02:14:43.300thousand times and it's not a bad thing i don't get angry i feel sad when someone's like well i'm
02:14:50.500I'm Italian-Irish. How can I worship Odin and Thor? And it's like, no, you don't understand.
02:14:58.000These gods have always been with us. It's our cultures that have changed them and dressed
02:15:05.620them up in ways that we can relate to them. And we speak of their deeds in relation to the values
02:15:14.800that we uphold and in ways that's how the gods are influencing us they're okay with being dressed in
02:15:22.240our morals and our ethics because they're wanting us to cultivate morals and ethics and it may be
02:15:30.560different amongst each group but that's okay the ultimate destination is the creation of it
02:15:37.200And that's their goal. So the gods of our folk, the Aryan gods, which again, saying the A word spooks people. I don't like it when they say that. I don't like it when they say that.0.99
02:15:54.540Again, I can't, it's incumbent upon them to learn about the origins of that word and what it means, and also question why it has a knee-jerk reaction to make them scared. That's another thing.
02:16:07.800But whether we talk about the Proto-Indo-European gods or whatever you want to call them, these beings have been intimately connected to our people and they are with the Hellenics.
02:16:24.380They are with the Gaelics and the Gauls.
02:20:39.300But what I think is likely not the case,
02:20:43.360when we go there, we're probably not wearing togas,
02:20:47.540we're probably not, you know, wearing the Smurf hat,
02:20:53.960we're probably not wearing Viking clothes.
02:20:57.760It probably doesn't look exactly like any of those things.
02:21:01.680It's a spiritual realm that probably is beyond our comprehension.
02:21:09.960We have different touchstones and different imagery that speaks to our unique experience that helps us relate and helps us best understand.
02:21:18.800But the truth of our faith and our gods, it transcends that.
02:21:31.680We won't understand it perfectly until we find ourselves there.
02:21:35.660Even then, not perfectly, we'll have a better understanding.
02:21:39.520But the imagery and the descriptions in our sacred lore of all of our folk
02:21:46.540help us better understand, help us better relate,
02:21:50.420help us learn those lessons through a lens that is visceral
02:21:55.940and connected to us in our experience, the experience of our lines since the beginning.
02:22:06.700But thank you, everyone, for joining us this evening.
02:22:11.660It's not been a super long show, but it's been a good show.
02:22:16.240And I am very happy that we have gone through the guilt.
02:22:23.620I say it is a unique and specially made piece of our lore that is in a very particular way
02:22:36.680meant to encapsulate the entirety of this is what Ausitru is, and it explains it in
02:22:44.080the clearest, most direct way for us to understand Ausitru and specifically the faith of Snorri
02:22:52.640sterleson's ancestors so i am like i said this one's very important i'm glad we got to go together
02:23:02.240and in two weeks fawn and i will join you again and we will start on the uh scald scapula
02:23:14.320don't quite yet there's another question that's timing specific we need to do it today not next
02:23:19.280week well it just popped in it was not there when i started my my goodbye speech i know that's why
02:23:25.440i've not let you finish the goodbye speech all right well good looking out fourth of july is
02:23:31.840coming up oh there was another question that we've like completely missed that never made it in the
02:23:36.960queue um or maybe it did and i just skipped it ah i did skip it so i'm glad that we stopped because
02:23:45.600this one came up earlier but we'll answer the 4th of july one first um i've been told that um that
02:23:54.640columbia the personification of america is similar to gevian thoughts um you might have been told
02:24:02.960that by spawn this is so uh sure spawn what are your thoughts on that i'm simply proposing the
02:24:11.680theory and the inclination by observation that the gods have not left us that they did not leave us
02:24:19.600but yet continually showed up and kind of speaking on what we were talking about before if the hellenic
02:24:28.320uh aryan religiosity is from the same source as the germanic then the correlation there is
02:24:40.000crossing a spectrum. So when the gods are not allowed to be prayed to, they are not forgotten.
02:24:47.480They are still in our blood and they show up continually in different forms and symbols and
02:24:55.680shapes. And one in particular is the connectivity between the symbology of Columbia and the
02:25:04.100manifest destiny spirit that I think most people might be familiar with, of the white robed woman
02:25:12.720floating over the pioneers as they move forward into the potential of creating society and gaining
02:25:21.960land. So that's where the theory of my observation comes from, is that the gods did not leave us,
02:25:30.360but instead formulated from inclinations in our mind in order for them to manifest back into our world and parallel with us and work together with us, guide our hands in tangible ways.
02:25:49.280I think that if we didn't have the Adas, if we didn't have any of the literature, the gods would still be here.
02:25:59.520They would manifest in us in whatever way that may be, but it does us disservice if we discount all of the works of our ancestors that they have given us.
02:26:12.800So when we speak about the gods being perhaps paralleled, it's kind of like looking at there's the Greek chair, the Germanic chair, the Celtic chair, the Slavic chair, the Nordic chair.
02:26:31.380And there might be missing pieces in some of the blueprints, but we can go back to the original by pulling all of the blueprints together and seeing how they were all connected.
02:26:46.640That's, I mean, and Radio Agartha, I'm glad you asked the question.
02:31:22.700And under that circumstance, freedom of religion is what is allowing our folk to come home and is currently very beneficial to the growth of the house of truth.
02:31:32.780Swan, do you have anything you'd like to add on that?
02:31:34.580yeah i think one of the biggest points first off let's be real our ancestors the forefathers
02:31:43.220of the united states were dealing with a situation of the volatile uh breakup of the i guess the core
02:31:54.680of christianity that's been going on since saul of tarsus um and so the freedom of religion really
02:32:01.560was to buffer the decisive or dissection of people there there needs to be unity
02:32:10.560and if you start splitting lines and saying oh well the rights of the methodists are way more
02:32:17.340than the episcopate it's going to start so they said no you have the freedom of this
02:32:22.540um but if you take say a religion that is completely counter-cultural to american
02:32:31.120values. And why there's such a desperate attempt by some people to say, oh, America was founded
02:32:38.320on these precepts of Islam or whatever, that they're desperately trying to integrate,
02:32:44.520which is false. And then very few people ask why. So there's these anti-cultural values.
02:32:56.540And it would be the same if we were to go into, say, a place where it was only one religion,
02:33:03.760if it was only Islamic or what have you, and we started placing Germanic concepts of liberty
02:33:11.640out there, it would be squashed in a moment. So that freedom of religion was really a way0.99
02:33:20.120to supersede the division, create unity. That was the only way that this was going to survive.
02:33:30.280When you look at overarching, do I think that all folk people should lay down their slavish0.90
02:33:43.080attachment to a rabbi and a God of a different people and a moral system that comes from the
02:33:50.440Middle East? Yes, I do. But my religion doesn't require it for me to build further relationships
02:34:00.860with those people. And I have only seen it in the other direction from the Abrahamic faiths where
02:34:06.820they say, oh, you know, an African Christian is more a brother to me than a European pagan.0.60
02:34:14.040And that coming from the Torah, that's the whole reason why they're even thinking that way.
02:34:20.460So would it be great for them to relinquish these things, come back to the gods of their
02:34:26.260ancestors, and then we could really move forward? Yes. But it doesn't divide us to a point. There
02:34:35.360are other connective points that i think are important uh in regards to western civilization
02:34:43.440and um we shouldn't get ourselves caught in the weeds in relation to those we can try to convince
02:34:51.840and we can try to work together but ultimately at the end of the day we're all of the western
02:34:55.120civilization we're all of the anglosphere whatever other designation you want to call it um the
02:35:01.120unfortunate thing is, is because of the Semitic nature of many of the monotheistic religions,0.99
02:35:06.700it is a all or nothing, salted earth, pillars, Yahweh, don't look back, suffer not a witch to0.99
02:35:16.280live, etc., etc., that they will turn on their ethnic biological brothers in the name of the0.76
02:35:25.020God of the Judeans in a heartbeat. And that does cause a lot of tension that causes a lot of
02:35:32.360trepidation. Um, but I do see people working past that. So that's the, the, the black pill.
02:35:39.920And then the white pill is I had physically seen people work past it. There are lots of people0.89
02:35:46.160that discuss the future of our folk and they do it with a multifaceted freedom of religion in the
02:35:56.420Western civilization. And I think that that is possible for Ausatru as well. We've already shown
02:36:02.800it. We don't want to destroy churches. If we buy a church, we turn it into a hoth, but we honor
02:36:11.420all of the clergy that worked there before we honor the dead on the land. We don't defile or
02:36:19.580spit on the graves or do any of that. That is a huge unification factor that we are doing in our
02:36:27.620deeds. And unfortunately, the trepidation of people on the internet saying, oh, you know,
02:36:34.120we're going to kill the pagans, et cetera, et cetera. I know that's coming from the Abrahamic0.53
02:36:40.400middle east muhammadin uh judean uh kind of that's their engine that's what they're1.00
02:36:49.460they're kind of going on it's unfortunate but we can also it's also coming from the adorners of0.88
02:36:56.960grandma's couches it's coming from the crusaders that find things to spiral about that's just not
02:37:05.240real um the challenge is the real world and things are touch grass right so the other thing last
02:37:14.760last question of the night and then i i'll leave you guys be and we'll call it evening um
02:37:20.680when's mr flavel donning a sweet mustache so i don't do that my mustache and the rest of my beard
02:37:28.680stay united um so i don't ever separate them out like that i don't really do the goatee thing
02:37:36.520either i start growing a beard it's just a thing there's not some greater divine truth behind it
02:37:44.600but i like to do it from equinox to equinox just because i get bored around that time and it works
02:37:51.720out to where I can be shaved during the summer and I can grow the facial hair during the winter
02:37:57.800and you know about the time spring comes around I'm like I want to get rid of this and and be
02:38:03.540clean shaven again and you know in the fall I start you know man I miss my beard I wish I had
02:38:09.780whatever and it's kind of the way I get the best of both worlds but you know I guess we're halfway
02:38:14.840to that point a little bit over so i will be doing that here in september thank you guys
02:38:22.520so much swan thank you for lending us your wisdom this evening thank you nick thanks as always for
02:38:30.200all that you do audience you guys have been great we appreciate you guys i look forward to talking
02:38:36.520to you uh if not before then a week from today when um folk builder chris savage joins us again
02:38:48.440as we talk about the most ancient of our ancestors and the dawn of our folk so that's going to be a
02:38:56.040good episode looking forward to it till then hail the isir of a folk of the afa and remember victory