Asatru Folk Assembly - 7⧸1⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 208 - Prose Edda： Gylfaginning, Part 12

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00:03:00.000 Hello, everyone. Welcome to this week's edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:12.240 My co-host, Svekinger Svan, is otherwise occupied.

00:03:18.380 Hopefully, he will be with us momentarily.

00:03:20.660 In the meantime, I can go over some top-of-the-program notes with you guys.

00:03:25.800 this. So this week, Svon and I are going to continue with the Guild for Guinea. I know we've

00:03:34.000 been on it for a while now. We will see how much more we've got to go, but I think it's been a

00:03:38.780 really good conversation. It seems like y'all are enjoying the schedule change of having this

00:03:45.020 at 6 central. So I'm hoping that's working out for everybody. Seems to be a little burst in

00:03:52.020 chat room participation which is awesome um but yeah it's good to talk to you all this week

00:03:57.780 first of the month stuff um yeah thank you thank you everybody who's been super generous

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00:05:25.060 everybody's generosity.

00:05:32.300 So what else on top of the show?

00:05:35.500 Anybody who is curious,

00:05:37.560 we will be reading 0.99

00:05:38.660 The Gilfaginning off of

00:05:41.040 thelispow.org. 1.00

00:05:44.440 You guys are welcome to go there

00:05:45.760 if you want to

00:05:46.940 follow along with us.

00:05:50.060 And I believe, Nick, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we are at 51.

00:06:04.840 I do not know.

00:06:07.920 Okay, so I think we are at section 51.

00:06:11.840 one. And that's where we're going to start off this evening, unless my co-host comes

00:06:19.560 and corrects me on it. Oh, and thank you to Gilbert for his awesome donation of $150 towards

00:06:32.040 the Pavilion. We appreciate you very much. That's awesome, and it helps us get closer

00:06:41.080 to where we're trying to get so thank you other top of the show stuff

00:06:51.640 not that i know of other than encouraging you all to go and make sure this month if you can

00:06:59.720 celebrate victory at cigarette at your local hof you got time to schedule that and get that figured

00:07:09.160 out but it's awesome it is a special thing to get together and celebrate victories accomplished

00:07:18.120 and commit to victories yet to come in front of the gods with your afa folk and family

00:07:25.400 so make plans to do that if you are able 0.53

00:07:28.760 So, without further ado, and we will get with Svon when he joins us, but I think we can

00:07:43.300 get into the text this evening.

00:07:48.120 So, of Ragnarokar.

00:07:51.720 Then said Gangler, what tidings are to be told concerning the weird gods? 0.71

00:07:58.760 Never before have I heard aught said of this.

00:08:01.980 Howard answered, great tidings are to be told of all, and much.

00:08:07.280 The first is this, that there shall come that winter, which is called the awful winter.

00:08:13.300 In that time, snow shall drive from all quarters.

00:08:16.760 Frost shall be great, and the winds sharp.

00:08:21.220 There shall be no virtue in the sun.

00:08:23.200 those winters shall proceed three in succession and no summer between but first shall come three

00:08:32.140 other winters such that over all the world there shall be mighty battles in that time brothers

00:08:39.040 shall slay each other for greed's sake and none shall spare father or son in manslaughter and

00:08:46.740 in incest. So it

00:08:48.820 says in Belisval,

00:08:50.840 Brothers shall strive 1.00

00:08:52.760 and slaughter each other. 1.00

00:08:54.860 Own sisters' children shall sin 1.00

00:08:56.780 together. Ill 0.99

00:08:58.760 days among men, many 1.00

00:09:00.840 a whoredom, an axe 0.96

00:09:02.780 age, a sword age. 0.97

00:09:05.100 Shields shall be cloven,

00:09:07.600 a wind age, a wolf

00:09:08.820 age, ere the world

00:09:10.500 totters.

00:09:12.820 Then shall happen what seems

00:09:14.700 great tidings.

00:09:16.740 The wolf shall swallow the sun.

00:09:20.020 This shall seem to men a great harm.

00:09:23.040 Then the other wolf shall seize the moon.

00:09:26.480 He also shall work great ruin.

00:09:29.480 The stars shall vanish from the heavens.

00:09:33.880 Then shall come to pass these tidings also.

00:09:38.760 All the earth shall tremble so in the crags.

00:09:43.340 That tree shall be torn up from the earth.

00:09:46.740 and the crags fall to ruin, and all fetters and bombings shall be broken and rent.

00:09:54.180 Then shall Fenris' wolf get loose, and then the sea shall gush forth upon the land,

00:10:01.060 because the Midgard serpent stirs in giant wrath and advances up onto the land.

00:10:08.940 Then that too shall happen, that Naglfar shall be loosened, the ship which is so named, 0.81

00:10:16.740 It is made of dead men's nails, whereof a warning is desirable that if a man die with 0.60

00:10:23.780 unshorn nails, that man adds much material to the ship, Naglfar, which gods and men were

00:10:31.540 fain to have finished late.

00:10:34.660 Yet in this sea flood, Naglfar shall float.

00:10:39.500 Primer is the name of the giant who steers Naglfar.

00:10:43.440 Fenris' wolf shall advance with gaping mouth

00:10:47.380 And his lower jaw shall be against the earth

00:10:50.000 But the upper against heaven

00:10:52.440 He would gape yet more if there were room for it

00:10:56.580 Fires blaze from his eyes and nostrils

00:11:01.480 Midgard serpent shall blow venom

00:11:04.820 So that he shall sprinkle all the air and water

00:11:08.720 And he is very terrible

00:11:10.520 And shall be on the side of the wolf 0.98

00:11:13.300 In this den shall the heaven be clothed, and the sons of Muspel ride hence.

00:11:21.000 Surtur shall ride first, and both before him and after him burning fire.

00:11:27.140 His sword is exceedingly good.

00:11:29.560 From its radiance shines brighter than from the sun.

00:11:35.700 When they ride over Bifrost, then the bridge shall break. 0.99

00:11:41.460 As has been told before, the sons of Musvel shall go forth to the field, which is called Vigreder. 0.96

00:11:50.960 Feather shall come Fenris Wolf also, and the Midgard Serpent. 0.94

00:11:55.640 Then Loki and Hrimer shall come there also, and with him all the Rhyme Giants, all the champions of hell, follow Loki. 0.89

00:12:06.260 And the sons of Musvel shall have company by themselves. 0.98

00:12:09.820 and it shall be very bright.

00:12:12.640 The field, Vigreiler, is a hundred leagues wide each way.

00:12:19.700 When these tidings come to pass,

00:12:22.320 then shall Haimdodler rise up and blow mighty in the gallarhorn

00:12:27.000 and awaken all the gods, and they shall hold counsel together.

00:12:32.400 Then Othyn shall ride to Mimir's well

00:12:34.780 and take counsel of Mimir for himself and his host.

00:12:39.820 Then the ash of Yggdrasil shall tremble, and nothing then shall be without fear, in heaven or in earth. 0.95

00:12:48.860 Then shall the Iser put on their war weeds, and all the champions, and we advance to the field. 0.97

00:12:57.920 Othen rides first with that gold helmet, and a fair bernie, and a spear, which is called Gomer.

00:13:05.880 He shall go forth against Fenris' wolf, and Thor stands forward on his other side, and can be of no avail to him, because he shall have his hands full to fight against the Midgard serpent.

00:13:20.740 Freyr shall contend with Surtur, and a hard encounter shall there be between them before Freyr falls.

00:13:28.820 It is to be his death that he lacks that good sword of his, which he gave to Skerner.

00:13:35.880 Then shall the dog Garmer be loosed, which is bound before Nipa's cave. 0.99

00:13:43.020 He is the greatest monster.

00:13:45.620 He shall do battle with Tyr, and each become the other's slayer. 0.91

00:13:51.260 Thor shall put to death the Midgard serpent, and shall stride away nine paces from that spot.

00:13:58.920 Then shall he fall dead to the earth, because of the venom which the snake has blown at him.

00:14:03.940 the wolf shall swallow over

00:14:06.220 that shall be his ending

00:14:08.880 but straight thereafter

00:14:10.260 shall Vidar

00:14:11.260 stride forth

00:14:12.860 and set one foot

00:14:13.980 upon the lower jaw of the wolf

00:14:16.100 on that foot he has a shoe

00:14:18.540 materials for which

00:14:20.200 have been gathering

00:14:20.880 throughout all time

00:14:22.060 they are the scraps of leather

00:14:24.260 which men cut out

00:14:25.420 of their shoes

00:14:26.660 of the toe or heel

00:14:27.740 therefore

00:14:28.700 a who desires

00:14:30.140 in his heart

00:14:31.400 to come to the Iser's help 1.00

00:14:32.980 should cast those scraps 1.00

00:14:35.080 away. With one hand

00:14:37.120 he shall put his tooth with the wood 0.85

00:14:38.680 and the other jaw and tear his gullet 0.94

00:14:40.800 asunder. And that is the death

00:14:43.100 of the Lord.

00:14:44.560 Loki shall have battle with Hengal 0.94

00:14:46.880 and each be the 0.96

00:14:48.820 slayer of the other. Then

00:14:50.700 straight away shall Surtur

00:14:52.640 cast fire over the earth 0.98

00:14:54.260 and burn all the world. 0.98

00:14:56.580 So is said in Belusbal. 1.00

00:15:00.200 High blows Hengal 1.00

00:15:01.780 but her horn is aloft, Othin communes with Namir's head. 0.94

00:15:06.880 Trembles Yggdrasil's towering ash.

00:15:10.760 The old tree wails when the etn is loosed.

00:15:15.100 What of the Aesir? 1.00

00:15:16.620 What of the elf folk?

00:15:18.540 All Jotunheim echoes, and the Aesir are at council. 0.91

00:15:23.860 The dwarves are groaning before their stone doors. 0.99

00:15:27.720 Wise in rock walls, quit ye yet or what? 0.97

00:15:32.780 Primer sails from the east, the sea floods onward,

00:15:37.780 the monstrous beast twists in mighty wrath.

00:15:41.820 The snake beats the waves, the eagle is screaming, 0.95

00:15:46.340 the gold neb tears corpses, Naglfar is loosed. 0.95

00:15:51.520 When the east sails the keel,

00:15:54.300 Come now, Mosfell spoke, over the sea waves, and Loki steereth.

00:15:59.860 There are the warlocks, all with the wolf.

00:16:03.300 With them is the brother of Bileister's faring.

00:16:09.240 Surtr fares forth from southward with a switch-eating flame.

00:16:16.620 On his sword shimmers the sun of the war gods.

00:16:19.880 The rocks are falling

00:16:22.020 The fiends are reeling

00:16:24.500 Heroes tread hellway

00:16:26.260 Heaven is closed 1.00

00:16:27.460 Then to the goddess

00:16:30.620 A second grief comes

00:16:32.000 When Odin fares to fight with the wolf

00:16:34.120 And Beli's slayer

00:16:36.720 The bright god 0.68

00:16:38.460 With Surtur

00:16:39.280 There must fall Freak's beloved 1.00

00:16:41.480 Odin's son goeth 0.99

00:16:44.020 To strife with the wolf 0.69

00:16:46.160 Vidar speeding

00:16:47.820 To meet the slaughtered beast

00:16:49.240 The sword in his hand to the heart he thrusteth of the fiend's offspring, avenged is his father.

00:16:58.920 Now goeth Hlodin's glorious son, not in flight from the serpent, but fear unheating.

00:17:07.780 All the earth's offspring must empty the homesteads, when furiously smiteth Midgard's defender.

00:17:16.300 The sun shall be darkened.

00:17:18.660 Earth sticks in the sea.

00:17:21.220 Glide from the heaven, the glittering stars.

00:17:25.740 Smoke reek rages and reddening fire.

00:17:30.080 The high heat licks against heaven itself.

00:17:33.480 And here it says, yet so. 1.00

00:17:36.820 Vigreethers height the field.

00:17:39.400 Where in fight shall meet Surtur and the cherished gods.

00:17:43.200 a hundred leagues

00:17:45.540 it has on each side

00:17:47.620 unto them that field is faded

00:17:49.840 Svon has joined us

00:17:56.960 hello

00:17:59.080 Svon is speaking

00:18:08.260 yet Svon is muted

00:18:09.140 that last bit is uh really powerful and it does kind of show some things that i think people

00:18:20.340 like in the voluspau there it when the goddess suffers two calamities uh or two sorrows that

00:18:32.140 um is referred to as the goddess clean in the volus bow but here it's clearly it's it's frigg

00:18:43.440 and her second loss is is the loss of lord odin um so i definitely think that there is

00:18:51.740 and it doesn't happen often but there are times where i think the chroniclers

00:18:58.300 are taking in um i per i believe notes that they were taking in notes and transcribing them into

00:19:09.880 the the larger corpus of lore and so some things did every now and then get mixed up like when we

00:19:17.440 were talking about it last time on with uh loki's sons uh versus loki's son and lord othen's son

00:19:27.280 turning into the wolf and slaying the son of his blood brother via his son making it even it's it's

00:19:37.900 not him doing it it's the son of him doing it so i i feel like there's these little nuanced

00:19:44.200 things that you can kind of see sometimes in one bit of lore that is clear and concise and then on

00:19:52.760 the other bit it's like wait a minute are they using that name again or a different name so

00:19:58.440 oh i think i made this prediction before um but i will i will go ahead and and say it today today

00:20:19.720 we will finish with the guild beginning um i think that's a a reasonable goal

00:20:28.200 and uh i think we're well on our way to that um

00:20:38.360 spawn would you like to read for them section 52 absolutely

00:20:45.640 all right so section 52 starts right after that really just powerful uh chunk of poetry

00:20:58.460 uh 52 dwellings after ragnarok so now we begin to go into the aftermath

00:21:07.440 Then said Gangliri, What shall come to pass afterward, when all the world is burned and dead, are all the gods and all the champions and all mankind?

00:21:21.420 Have ye not said before that every man shall live in some world throughout all ages?

00:21:27.760 Then the third answered,

00:21:57.760 So here we have Gimli mentioned as, in essence, the further heaven.

00:22:24.540 And this may seem confusing, but we've spoken about it before. Our ancestors are looking at the gods as being in Ithavol, which is a valley in a mountain range.

00:22:40.680 And that mountain range has a name. Those are the Himenbjerg, the heavenly mountains. And they're in the center of the world in our ancestors worldview. So what in essence is being spoken is that there is a valley or a place in the mountain range that's further.

00:23:05.120 uh earlier on in the poem it's made mention again and uh he asked do the gods live there and they

00:23:13.440 said no the gods don't live there only wandering alvar passed through there but that this place

00:23:21.160 is basically being saved for after ragnarok um so from a story point it's more about uh kind of

00:23:32.980 geographical placement in the heavenly mountains. From a spiritual and clearly allegoric point is

00:23:40.700 that the gods are in the center of our world and upwards. They're above. They're wreathed by the

00:23:48.320 light and the clouds of Leosalfan. And then above that, that's where the gods live. And there is

00:23:56.200 ausgarther the encapsulated um place of the gods and also there is yggdrasil and then the roots

00:24:05.960 run down and that's why the gods are able to walk to jotunheim or that the jotuns are able to

00:24:13.400 walk to the heavenly realm and vice versa was our ancestors were looking at this as kind of more a

00:24:20.440 a monoplaned system with neither valor underneath and then even further still niflheim

00:24:31.320 is the primordial layers and that's being mentioned here as well so gimli is in heaven

00:24:37.560 and um then there is uh the hall called brimmyr um and that that stands at oak only at at the oak

00:24:47.080 um grove and then in the neither well there is sindri um and so what it's what in essence is

00:24:58.360 happening is the re-establishment of every level of the world view a lot of people don't realize

00:25:08.280 that christianity in its beginnings um they of course were ethnically jewish and they were

00:25:16.280 carrying on the old law or the torah and they had a uh bifidic nature they believed that there was

00:25:26.440 the earth and then there was like the firmament or the the grand kind of ocean above and uh that's 0.94

00:25:33.800 where yahweh lived um it the upper middle and lower world is an addition of aryan religiosity 0.85

00:25:42.520 into christianity and um most people don't know that the the pit of fire is in heaven and when 0.81

00:25:54.200 in in uh the book of job when he's when yahweh is talking to job they're together they're elbow to

00:26:01.560 elbow so there is a kind of a twisting of um placement in cosmology even in christianity

00:26:13.080 and there has been for us as well in relation mainly i think modern times as we explain

00:26:21.400 cosmology we forget that our ancestors did view the world as that the gods were in the center

00:26:28.120 and upon heavenly mountains um and we have some people who are trying to change things make it to

00:26:36.000 where the roots of the tree uh are all the way down in the primordial that would be very similar

00:26:43.560 to like trying to make the base of olympus in hades which it doesn't fit so people are trying

00:26:54.620 to move cosmology around and not taking in consideration of these observations that I

00:27:00.600 think are often passed over. When we go from scholarly and we have people looking and

00:27:08.880 dissecting our lore, they don't look at patterns and they don't look at religious patterns that

00:27:16.360 are clearly being kind of laid out there and oftentimes are laid across every branch of

00:27:22.500 every Aryan religion and so we end up dissecting to the point that we lose the big picture

00:27:29.980 and then when we try to put the picture together some people try to force it and I and many of the

00:27:36.540 in the church have tried to painstakingly not force a reimagining but why do our ancestors

00:27:47.960 speak about the gods this way? Why do they talk about the Jotnar who disguises himself as a human

00:27:55.320 and then he walks to heaven? Because they live on a mountain range. It was almost like a kind of

00:28:03.380 grand and simple revelation. So these halls are being established, and this is the first time

00:28:11.300 that nether fells or nether nether fellur where the smart elf or the dvergar live and it literally

00:28:23.080 means the nether valley so like a veil and they're being re-established the world is broken

00:28:36.500 Everything comes apart. And then slowly, the place of residence and then life with humanity, with the folk coming back, the gods reestablish themselves after transformation.

00:28:55.960 It is just a zipper of teeth, like closing in to create a completeness again after this great rupturing.

00:29:07.240 So then we go even further down. So, uh, neither valor or, uh, neither fells is underneath our feet. It's the, the place where the Dvergar who are spirits of material and energy, and they are the ones that of great pressure, um, matter and energy are combined here in a, in a slightly more

00:29:37.240 primordial state than the middle. But then we go even further down into the shadows of Niflheim 0.98

00:29:45.200 where Helgard is, the encapsulated place. And it speaks on Naustrand in Niflheim.

00:29:56.000 There is a great hall and evil and its doors face the north. It is all woven of serpents' backs

00:30:03.300 like a wattle house and all the snake heads turn into the house and blow venom so that along the

00:30:11.280 hall run rivers of venom they who have broken oaths murderers weighed those rivers that's a

00:30:18.880 very important part even as it says here i know a hall standing far from the sun in naustrand the

00:30:27.520 doors to northward are turned venom drops fill down from the roof holes that hall is bordered

00:30:36.560 with backs of serpents there are doomed to wade the weltering streams men that are main sworn

00:30:45.440 and that are murderers but it is worst in vergelmer there the cursed snake tears dead dead men's

00:30:55.120 corpses. So the view and understanding why the Hall of Death has serpents and poison and venom

00:31:08.860 is, again, the mystery of life and death itself. The snake, the rarity of a snake in Europe,

00:31:19.680 especially in the northwest is substantial it's not like australia or any other equatorial

00:31:27.760 uh country i'm not saying australia is solely equatorial but um the adder is such a prominent

00:31:39.040 point that this small snake can bite you and you die it's the same with the uh spider

00:31:47.680 um obviously most people have probably heard of cobweb um cob means in anglo-saxon is head

00:31:56.140 uh so uh edder cop is a spider edder and otter are the same source they they mean poison so the

00:32:07.100 it's a poison head um the the mystery and the fear of instant death through venom

00:32:16.020 Instant death through poison. These all boil down deeply into the social consciousness of our culture. It's the same as why wolves are seen as dreadful because being a society of animal husbandry, the very name Rudolph comes from Rodolpher, which means famous wolf.

00:32:43.880 And how does a wolf get famous? It slaughters. So the idea of the wolf being on the edges of society, eating in, or that there are things within us that can simply bite us and kill us.

00:33:03.760 So there is the ultimate fear kind of being placed out in reference to death and death is scary. And I don't think that our religion shies away from it. I think that it embraces the concept.

00:33:19.920 But I think the problem is, is that we stop there and the transition, the cold ground, the wearing the hell cloak, which is the blood pooling on the back, utilizing her name in synonymous with death.

00:33:42.060 A lot of this is shaped by the age, the age of war and just constant conquest.

00:33:52.200 Death is so intimate with our folk at this time that there is no doubt in my mind why they placed such heavy, dark emphasis on the realm of the dead.

00:34:05.800 But yet, oh, sorry.

00:34:07.560 Well, no, I want to – this section has a couple of things that are really important.

00:34:13.880 And one facet that I think – and this is an endless thing by drive-by people that don't give a lot of critical thought.

00:34:26.880 And it's a fair place to start, but it's – I always caution it's really important to trace things back logically and try to make stuff make sense.

00:34:36.380 So, one thing that is made really apparent in this section of this poem, and specifically, is the immortality of the soul.

00:34:59.040 It's interesting, and I know a lot of people are like, oh, but your gods die at Ragnarok, this and that.

00:35:06.380 Well, much earlier in the poem, Balder dies, but clearly he still exists, and they go visit him, and we've been through that in this very piece.

00:35:19.800 We see this poem focusing on the death of the gods, but then the follow-up that we see in this section is, yeah, but you said that all men go on living throughout all ages, so where do they go?

00:35:36.380 okay cool here's where they go and it stratifies like

00:35:43.980 stratifies where they go they go um to the heavens and they go and can be closer to the

00:35:51.740 gods there's places with the ancestors there's like the super good spot in gimli that they find

00:35:58.220 themselves there's also dead that find themselves you know in hell there's the real bad dead that

00:36:07.340 find themselves in nostrum and the other element of that is at the end of that process at the worst

00:36:13.660 in um uh they find which is the bubbling boiling spring in this like churning wellspring where

00:36:30.860 stuff comes from where like things are broken down and recirculated throughout the cosmos 0.98

00:36:39.820 you have nidhogger like and rending the corpses of the dead and sucking the marrow of their bones 1.00

00:36:48.860 so you have this dissolution and destruction of the worst of the worst that are just 1.00

00:36:54.780 irredeemable in their vileness they're broken down into parts and those parts go back out to

00:37:01.900 get recycled into into existence but you see that the dead go somewhere not only do they go somewhere

00:37:12.540 they go and exist there and do stuff there you also see the gods go somewhere and do things you

00:37:22.220 see that balder exists even after he is quote unquote dead he moves his station he moves his

00:37:29.340 location moves emphasis but you those things don't die like that and i think that's a nature

00:37:40.220 of our existence to understand and i think what it does is it informs a lot of

00:37:49.500 a lot of confusions that some people have one of those is the assumption that everybody just

00:37:55.740 reincarnates that's not what our lord talks about it talks about the destruction of wicked souls

00:38:05.580 like particularly wicked ones and it talks about those being broken down into parts but it doesn't

00:38:11.420 talk about the ancestors doing it there's very few references to that but here you see them existing

00:38:17.820 and existing throughout the ages in these different places doing things in an afterlife

00:38:24.520 You can't have that one-for-one reincarnation and that.

00:38:28.180 Now, again, all things are, you know, a vast array of things are possible by the will of the gods.

00:38:36.900 But that's certainly not the standard course of the afterlife.

00:38:40.960 And I think it's really informative here, too.

00:38:43.540 People have criticized how Christian this sounds.

00:38:48.800 It's important to note that's not a Christian thing.

00:38:52.940 that's a pagan concept in christianity the dead die and they are dead and they await the

00:39:00.740 resurrection the idea of you die and you go to heaven or you turn into an angel or you whatever

00:39:07.460 that's not biblical that's not in there that's not a thing you await the resurrection and then

00:39:16.600 you get judgment and you get stuff when there's you know a heavenly possibility after the

00:39:23.300 resurrection um it's a much later christian concept this idea that the dead go to heaven

00:39:29.140 like immediately and the idea that they can be transmuted into some kind of angelic form

00:39:35.180 into some kind of dungeons and dragons beholder creature that isn't a biblical thing either

00:39:44.740 the fact that they can go on and be your guardian angel is very much an out of truth

00:39:50.980 thing that your ancestors can choose to be messengers from the other world to you

00:39:58.980 they can visit you in dreams in extraordinary circumstance they can have some sort of

00:40:06.020 corporeal appearance to you them being able to do that and being able to watch on as

00:40:13.220 the seer these are all also true concepts they're not biblical concepts so when you notice something

00:40:22.820 in also true that has something in common with christianity

00:40:29.620 figure out why that is is it because it has bible desert jewish stuff or is because it's

00:40:37.540 a spirituality that medieval christians held on to after you know after their conversion

00:40:44.180 and i think that's very much at play with a lot of the things that are accused here

00:40:47.860 of being christian elements because it's very much not

00:40:53.940 the oh nick were you gonna say something i was just gonna say that we just had a question asking

00:41:00.500 for specifics i i just saw that come in i was gonna say something and then i don't know if

00:41:06.900 if we're going to address, um, that that's, I'll see what it's called, but, um, one of the things

00:41:13.120 too, is that there is the elemental breakdown of, of Vergelmer, the churning and spinning whirlpool.

00:41:22.340 There is a route. Most people might not have caught it, but it's the first route of Yggdrasil.

00:41:29.140 um it's mentioned as being the first root the third root is in heaven so there is the heavenly

00:41:39.200 mountains there is ausgard in the heavenly mountains and there in the center of all things

00:41:46.740 from top to bottom is yggdrasil and its roots go where few know that's mentioned over and over and

00:41:53.800 over again. And one route burrows through and goes eastward into Jotunheim. And one goes so low

00:42:02.700 into Niflheim because that's its tap route. And so there is a connection between the lowest realm

00:42:09.920 and the upper realm, but nothing goes up that route whole. It is the disassemblement. But when

00:42:20.520 Yggdrasil brings forth its dew. Its dew drops fall back into the well of earth and the gods

00:42:31.060 are there adjudicating. So the new souls from the old, pieces passed on by ancestors, it's all

00:42:42.800 right there just not overtly spoken of um i often talk about how we are in debt to the dead uh that

00:42:53.680 it is a clear sense that our ancestors they are more that you can't be a one for one thing because

00:43:00.160 then there's no there's no one there on the other side so we are clearly in debt to the dead plus

00:43:08.320 the knowledge of our ancestors is so important that's lost if it's immediately recycled repackaged

00:43:15.120 and sent up but there are exceptions with the way the gods do things and we also have like

00:43:22.720 i was here he said the the guardian angel concept which is not christian is absolutely in our faith

00:43:30.240 with the dc and the alvar and uh same with the native american spirit animal they don't have

00:43:37.120 that, that's clearly a blood memory from us of the Philkia. We see this. And another thing that I

00:43:48.020 think is really important, when you look at like the writings of Paul, he blatantly says it, that

00:43:55.780 the dead are waiting for Yahweh and his, in essence, his bailiff, the Messiah, to come down,

00:44:04.440 the dead shall walk the earth and they will be judged um so that goes so far away from

00:44:13.160 what most christians view even today um but for us the soul traverses over rivers um every world

00:44:25.240 is kind of bordered by rivers there are 11 rivers in the underworld and two of them that embark

00:44:33.440 around the land of the dead have specific purposes one of them is and the other is slither

00:44:40.080 survives in our language with the word yelp or to cry out so i often translate this as the river of

00:44:49.260 mournful cries and then slither is cruel and it's uh described as uh ice blades and swords that

00:44:58.220 shred anything that that goes into it and those are the rivers that the really bad dead have to

00:45:06.620 cross when they reach naustrand or the nether strand strand of sand or a beach so um it's there

00:45:17.880 that uh you find this these liminal crossings we also see it when say like lord thor goes from the

00:45:26.400 heavenly realm into the Jotunheim. So I think it's important that the traversing of the soul

00:45:36.640 is a huge part of our faith and all Arian European faiths. The very title psychopomp

00:45:45.540 that's utilized, say, in the description for Hermes is, or Chauron is the farrier of the souls.

00:45:54.380 our concepts of death are not it is it's traveling christianity did not have that now i know most

00:46:04.880 people that might have grown up christian when i came to america and and uh learned about

00:46:08.960 christianity getting those little pamphlets i knew that like based on those pamphlets

00:46:14.820 if i watched football on sunday that was the devil and if i died some androgynous toga wearing

00:46:22.560 featherbacked person is going to come down and carry me like a psychopomp up into this place 0.99

00:46:30.840 to be judged. And that's not the way they believed it. And Paul mentions it numerous times.

00:46:39.680 And there is only one other group that believes that when you die, you go into kind of this

00:46:45.360 slumber until the judge and the bailiff show up. And that's the Jews. 0.99

00:46:52.560 And that's because Saul of Tarsus was ethnically a Judean. 0.94

00:46:59.300 So a lot of people don't even realize these glaring truths right in front of their faces because they've been so inundated by Aryan culture. 0.94

00:47:10.500 That's why they believe that Christianity is European, Christianity is Aryan, Christianity is white, etc., etc. 0.97

00:47:18.240 problem so i want to we've got a couple of questions that are very much related to what

00:47:25.360 we're talking about and because we only have two uh sections left to read today i'd like to go ahead

00:47:30.480 and hit those because i think they're they're relevant but i want to do

00:47:36.640 kind of a i want to do them in reverse order and i guess this i don't know this question

00:47:42.960 um so the first quest the question is basically what is one solid example that illustrates

00:47:52.480 christianity's appropriation of european slash aryan cultural values and one example of jewish

00:47:59.360 slash christian values that were scrapped cool i'll put a pin in that for a second

00:48:06.160 because another wombat uh suggests not to argue but appropriation feels like a strong word i think

00:48:15.320 there are ideas and concepts that are timely timeless and inherently truthful so

00:48:20.560 i see why you would suggest that and i do think that something we face a lot is there are shared

00:48:31.560 experiences in the world that are just real different religions have a different context

00:48:38.120 for them maybe a different title for some of the same things and we do run into that and run into

00:48:44.680 that on this program and a couple of things like demons there are bad spirits in the world i think

00:48:51.400 our ancestors would call them you know yotnar or trolls or you know a variety you know hags a

00:48:59.560 variety of other you know spooky things christians would call them demons um 0.93

00:49:08.040 aramaic it was should dim i was going to say arabs might call them uh well or genies yeah the arab

00:49:15.880 uh sorry the arab is the jinn and the christian early christian like what jesus would have said

00:49:21.880 is so there's a variety of things like that that i do think there's overlap on but appropriation

00:49:28.040 here i think is really important specifically because the church fathers specifically the pope

00:49:35.960 and the roman catholic church issued proclamations saying no adopt their stuff to help convert them

00:49:44.680 change their things as little as possible to convert the aussitur into christianity

00:49:51.960 and i can try to look over the side and get a reference for that but that was a very

00:49:55.800 that was a very noted thing

00:49:58.200 one thing that I think is

00:49:59.860 informative on that is

00:50:01.640 the Germanization of early

00:50:03.660 medieval Christianity

00:50:06.140 and

00:50:07.220 it's a long title that

00:50:09.760 sums up the book

00:50:11.880 but it does make the point of that

00:50:13.960 the Pope issued specific

00:50:16.180 orders like

00:50:18.060 no, co-opt their stuff

00:50:20.220 and changed the names

00:50:22.060 of you know, cast

00:50:24.020 their gods as demons

00:50:25.420 change their heroes to saints, like, literally appropriate their things to make it more palatable

00:50:33.680 and to make the conversion more appealing. So I don't think it's out of bounds to ask the question.

00:50:39.320 But back to the original question, though, it's fun. One example that illustrates Christianity's 0.98

00:50:46.820 appropriation of Aryan cultural values, and one example of Jewish slash Christian cultural values 0.88

00:50:52.880 that were scrapped my initial knee-jerk was to go the trinity the tripartite um the only reason why

00:51:01.240 i'm pointing that out and and that's far more broad than i think this question deserves but

00:51:09.940 it is worth noting that christianity fought a war over the trinity and the trinity is such an aryan

00:51:16.560 theological concept. In the Greco-Roman world, in the Germanic world, in the Gaulish world,

00:51:23.440 in the Slavic world, it is so pervading, but nobody really catches it. The Greco-Roman trinity 0.50

00:51:29.860 is numbered. Zeus carries a scepter or a lightning bolt, and Poseidon carries a trident, 0.98

00:51:38.740 but everyone forgets Hades carries a bident. So it's one, two, and three right there in front of

00:51:45.880 us. And this numbering of that, the idea of any sort of triplication, the upper, middle, lower

00:51:54.940 world, for us two going all the way back from the, in essence, the left, the center, and the right,

00:52:01.360 there's, you know, Niflheim, Gunungagap, and Muspelheim. The triplication system is so

00:52:09.340 arian and and it doesn't really show up in christianity till after it moves past turkey and

00:52:16.620 into uh the greek lands but i i think another concept that um clearly is is i uh also really

00:52:30.700 kind of leaned on it is the angels and demons in aramaic they were known as the angels were known

00:52:38.540 as malaks which um if anyone needs to know aramaic and hebrew are they they argue about which one is

00:52:47.180 first um but i digress on that um so a malak not a moloch a malak was a messenger they took the

00:52:58.380 greek word angelos to reference that and then the demon which has a totally different meaning in the

00:53:08.220 the Greco-Roman sphere, is the word that they chose in order to translate a word that they

00:53:14.400 didn't know if it would go over well with the Greeks, and that's Shedim. So, and when you see

00:53:20.960 Shedim, again, you can follow it in the Arabic sense towards the djinn, and you suddenly realize 0.82

00:53:28.040 there's this chasm between the European side and the Semitic side, and it just managed to kind of

00:53:35.500 pole vault over there um so i would say um one of the big ones is just blatant language and

00:53:48.860 personage appropriation angels in togas with wings that's completely greco-roman pagan

00:53:57.420 And that is the prayers. They were on the statues and reliefs. The symbolic nature of prayers was often seen. And it goes all the way back even to the early Romans and Etruscans as the spirit of a people ascending up to the gods and the halo around the head.

00:54:22.960 All of that was directly appropriated from Aryan culture, particularly, and as a joke, but tomato Europe. But there are things, too, from the Germanic, because it took a while for Christianity to move across.

00:54:40.780 and then when it came up into the germanic lands the germanic people had their own contentions

00:54:46.140 with it and that's where i was here was talking about the germanization but there was also the

00:54:52.140 latinization that preceded that so i would say direct words and iconography clearly and when you

00:55:03.900 see guys you know the the the the jesus bros on the internet and they've got you know uh the really

00:55:12.000 cool buff uh michael foot stomping on the devil which again that's another thing because before

00:55:21.900 europe there was multiple hasatons or opponents and um they didn't worship them but they gave

00:55:33.740 them offerings of their sins uh to be alleviated from that because they were like uh i don't know

00:55:39.740 kind of like just hungry souls um out there trying to eat that um but also you know the biblically

00:55:49.740 accurate angels are you know basketballs with with wings and eyeballs and uh you get to greece

00:55:59.180 in rome and suddenly they're they're human and they're knightly and they're warrior-esque and

00:56:05.740 you can see that's a clear grab they spent most of their early inception in greco-roman society

00:56:13.860 destroying statues defacing them toppling them and then after they had finally kind of set 0.96

00:56:22.760 themselves up as the holy roman empire they took everything that was innate in their blood and what 0.83

00:56:28.100 they ultimately really liked and erected it, but just in their name. So it was acceptable. 0.80

00:56:37.020 So the other side of the question, and one example of Jewish slash Christian traditional values 0.89

00:56:44.120 that were scrapped. Again, I will just reemphasize this whole idea of dying and waiting for judgment 1.00

00:56:52.780 has been scrapped, and it was scrapped for two reasons. One, Christians were considered heretical

00:56:58.140 Jews. Saul of Tarsus was hunting Christians, but everyone in West was like, oh my, he's hunting

00:57:07.500 Christians. No, they were considered heretical Jews because Christians were not non-Jewish. 0.63

00:57:14.500 So Saul of Tarsus, born in Syria, is paid to hunt down heretical Jews who believe that the Messiah is the judge, that the Mashiach, Rabbi Yeshua, is Yahweh.

00:57:34.520 And that was a big contentious point long before they started converting non-Jews.

00:57:39.100 um so that was wholly scrapped and i think that's what started it is because in the jewish sphere

00:57:47.940 they were talking about that the messiah and the judge or the the bailiff and the judge are the

00:57:53.260 same and that was rocking a lot of boats so by the time it came over into europe the idea of

00:58:00.860 judgment being done at a later date was wholly scrapped no now it's when when the bailiff judge

00:58:09.980 shows up uh that's when the judgment of the living is going to happen but those who have

00:58:15.600 already accepted him are in heaven and they get to come back and kind of like look over his shoulder

00:58:21.240 and be like yeah boy and then they get they get earth they they inherit the earth that all that

00:58:27.700 language comes from people not realizing that no it's you die you're in the ground and then

00:58:36.100 they show up to judge everyone and then the the the everlasting souls of those who um are just

00:58:45.380 prostrating themselves before yahweh inherit the earth so that was wholly scrapped and then it

00:58:53.140 just continues to kind of change there's the um everything from rapture and uh the idea of not be 0.70

00:59:02.980 there's not a bunch of hasitans but no there's one and this one you know the connection between them

00:59:10.900 the light and uh the greek luke lucifer or lucifer the light bearer um which has some interesting

00:59:20.820 things about it in and of itself. And then they go one step further in the Greco-Roman. They start

00:59:27.320 putting horns and all of this imagery on their Shadim that weren't there before. No, the Shadim 1.00

00:59:37.600 in essence looked like the Molochs and they had the same kind of powers. Another thing that was 1.00

00:59:45.180 scrapped too that i always find very interesting is the worship of azrael um everyone thinks oh

00:59:51.260 man that sounds super spooky it's because it's a semitic name uh azray l um but uh early christians

01:00:00.460 in greece and in italy would give prayers to azrael who is the angel of death and they prayed

01:00:08.380 to him for benevolence and passing over and uh there are many paintings in honor of him and so

01:00:18.540 the incorporation of angel worship has slowly been bled out and i think that that was an adaptation

01:00:27.340 to convert pagans but over time it was relinquished i mean here's a list i can go on and on and on

01:00:38.380 One last thing, you guys should look up Saul of Tarsus, or Paul, and the honorable pagan.

01:00:45.720 He says there's a Jew and a pagan that are able to go into heaven, despite not knowing the law, which is the Torah.

01:00:54.140 So it's hard because there's tons and all the cool stuff that white people like about church or about Catholicism or about all the cool stuff is appropriated.

01:01:17.500 And I say that and people take issue. It is what it is. But to pick one that's particularly knighthood and militant Christianity.

01:01:31.480 um and you know there's warriors of all different races of people with different

01:01:40.340 kind of warrior ethos but something really specific about the jewish heresy of christianity

01:01:49.280 is their pacifism and their like refusal to be part of that their emphasis on um the meek

01:02:00.220 and on peace and non-violence and the long-suffering and like their emphasis on that

01:02:10.360 was very unique in its time and very clearly preached by jesus and the early apostles

01:02:20.520 um yep uh i just just specifically on that part everyone talks about when jesus flips the

01:02:32.040 the uh money changing tables at the temple yes jesus is a is a germanic knight slain because

01:02:38.680 he had the audacity to flip over a booth at a at a with some some uh some pharisees selling stuff

01:02:47.320 in the temple. But that is correlated to what you just said about pacifism. One of the things

01:02:53.700 that Jesus was preaching was the opposite of what Judaism was trying to do with the multiple 0.52

01:02:59.260 revolts against the Roman Empire. They didn't understand why Yahweh would allow them to take 0.90

01:03:05.960 over Judea, the Holy Land. And it was revolt after revolt after revolt. And the Mashiach was supposed

01:03:13.040 to be this grand uh warrior that comes to morrowind uh judea and kicks out the empire but no this guy

01:03:24.080 is saying hey give unto caesar what is for caesar and stop doing this so those two things are so

01:03:31.840 correlated but yet they're completely blind to seeing the pacifism part it's really

01:03:38.000 because it's not exciting and it doesn't appeal to the european soul

01:03:44.080 just as it didn't to our ancestors when you went into europe to these proud warrior chieftains and

01:03:52.500 tried like no reject odin and thor and tear instead you should worship this long-haired 0.74

01:03:59.400 jewish hippie that you know says that you're supposed to you know just uh you know somebody 0.68

01:04:06.820 hits you you turn the other cheek um no so the adoption of the idea of like a divinely sanctioned

01:04:17.300 warrior elite winning victories and glory in the name of divinity that is inherently an adoption

01:04:29.460 of european lawyer nobility you saw that amongst the germanic tribesmen you certainly saw it

01:04:36.580 amongst the uh roman uh equitas the the roman knight class you saw that a lot and you saw its

01:04:46.420 ultimate expression in the knightly orders of christian and crusades that absolutely is a

01:04:53.140 adoption of of european warrior nobility culture something that 0.57

01:05:01.620 you know something that got scrapped culturally those culturally jewish um

01:05:20.180 icons and idols that's another one no because they got embraced when you're talking about i

01:05:27.380 mean certainly in the medieval church yeah i mean the refusal of icons and idols yeah so 0.87

01:05:36.260 usury like the the shady stacking of shekels which was a proud jewish tradition was rejected 0.66

01:05:47.860 um and scrapped in medieval christianity that was was outlawed and it was one of the things that 1.00

01:05:53.540 only the jews were allowed to do because that was something that was inherently their thing

01:05:59.780 medieval christianity was pretty hard on that not being a good thing for a long time

01:06:05.780 but we could i mean we could itemize that particular question for forever

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01:06:59.540 much for your contribution um we have so okay so we're at the top of the hour we'll get to the rest

01:07:10.580 of the thing i want to go ahead with a couple of questions just while we have them uh hey matt

01:07:17.620 curious what the Alistair opinion slash beliefs is on divorce. I've been divorced for nine years

01:07:24.980 now and raised my son by myself. Is there some kind of negative stigma on that in Alistair?

01:07:32.020 Absolutely. I am also divorced though. Divorce is bad. Divorce sucks,

01:07:40.900 but we also understand there's truths in life and there's not an endless 0.98

01:07:48.760 flagellation for making choices. Sometimes you've got to make the best of not good choices.

01:07:59.080 Yes, when people are married, they make oaths and commitments to themselves and often to the gods

01:08:05.800 and to sever those is awful.

01:08:13.780 Spending the rest of your life with a partner who,

01:08:18.020 I mean, in the best of circumstance,

01:08:19.960 maybe you've just fallen out of love with

01:08:22.180 and you guys don't want to be there

01:08:24.240 and are not happy with one another.

01:08:26.820 That's also awful and you don't want to do that.

01:08:30.240 um but no i think we all know divorce is less than optimal i think we would all avoid that

01:08:38.540 if that was a you know if we saw that coming we would avoid that situation in that relationship

01:08:43.900 life is messy and you got to make the best choices with what you have certainly

01:08:50.300 also true doesn't embrace divorce but there's a number of i mean we're realistic and things

01:08:58.520 happen and trying to enslave people to agreements that they made with any contract having a mutually

01:09:07.400 understood agreement by both parties to sever the contract makes sense and is an honorable solution

01:09:14.120 to it but no divorce is bad and i think we all know that but you've got to make the right choices

01:09:20.760 for you and your family and spending the rest of your life miserable is worse so yeah but it is

01:09:28.200 something we take seriously i think um often we are accustomed to a duality of things where

01:09:39.000 this is absolutely virtuous or this is absolutely sinful and the worst thing ever

01:09:45.240 and i think in more cases than not in life there's a lot more nuance than that there's a lot

01:09:51.080 more detail involved in that so i don't know your situation but yeah it's not it's not great but it

01:09:58.760 is a reality this is something that unfortunately is common for a variety of reasons um in our

01:10:05.880 ancestors day it was certainly not something unheard of it wasn't something that was not

01:10:12.840 doable and there was procedures in place for how to go about that and for that being accomplished

01:10:20.600 for a variety of reasons one of which is if you're a dude and you're wearing a top that is too low cut

01:10:30.040 just as a historical factoid um but that's the thing i didn't make it up

01:10:36.280 an infeminate guy where like that was considered infeminate and no but that was the trick is 0.93

01:10:44.360 if she cuts your like top a little bit too low and caught you putting it on

01:10:48.200 aha i knew it i knew it energy on you um i forget what saga that's in but it is

01:10:57.800 point being it was not unknown to our ancestors nor was it some great mark of shame but it's

01:11:03.880 certainly you know not advisable and something that is uh an unfortunate and not a perfect

01:11:11.960 outcome and something that you should avoid being in that situation if and when you can

01:11:19.640 i think it's worth noting too that for a lot of folks coming into aussitrew understanding that

01:11:24.920 there are societal points like that that there's nothing that where the gods say don't divorce but

01:11:35.080 But our culture is built around the guide points, and that's not the ideal.

01:11:43.160 Sometimes it happens, and you have to move on from it.

01:11:47.400 Just like as if, especially back in our ancestors' times, the husband would go and fight and die.

01:11:53.760 And then now there's the divvying up of property and trying to remarry and all of these things.

01:12:00.180 that's not the ideal but it was set our faith and our society are so intertwined but very rarely

01:12:10.600 is it a sense of the gods say do or don't do this instead it's we don't do this this is inherent in

01:12:20.920 us because we carry the breath of the gods we carry the blood of the gods and that's how the

01:12:26.220 you were kind of interconnected so as kind of as kind of a note on this relating to the last

01:12:32.540 passage that we read that's one of the things that would wind you up on the strand um not divorce

01:12:41.300 itself but like shady things would have you end up there being noted for being an oath breaker

01:12:50.240 puts you there um it talks about being a murderer and that wasn't like you killed somebody that's

01:12:58.300 like you snuck up and you assassinated somebody in the dead of night and didn't take credit for

01:13:03.360 it and slunk off in the woods um it was a very different situation if you go and kill somebody

01:13:09.280 and you're like hey i killed the dude this is why i'm letting y'all know and then people can figure

01:13:14.960 it out. But one of the other things, and it's not included in the guilt again, but it is also

01:13:20.860 included in the lore that winds you up on the strand, is those that try to seduce other men's

01:13:25.180 wives. So marriage was very important. The sanctity of it, the not trying to go out of your

01:13:32.220 way to violate that or mess that up for someone else was very important. But our ancestors did

01:13:39.680 understand that you know that type of commitment sometimes does not work out as intended and found

01:13:47.200 ways to remedy that in a way that preserved honor to the best of their ability so the next question

01:13:54.320 we got i noticed the stoles are different for uh gothies and githias the ulterior gothic stole

01:14:05.840 or the gothic stole is also different what is the significance of this uh is there a meaning behind

01:14:12.800 the different colors so i'm so glad you noticed so yes fundamental and and also there's a difference

01:14:22.640 between even different gothi stoles depending on when they were made there's some like trying to

01:14:31.120 figure out the process stuff that makes them different the githya stoles are still kind of

01:14:36.720 a work in progress to find the perfect cut and shape what we wanted to do was acknowledge the

01:14:41.680 difference between men and women because that's important we wanted to have men's stoles have

01:14:48.720 a point at the bottom and the women's stoles have a not point at the bottom to represent 0.51

01:14:58.400 like a swallowtail or a chevron yeah so they fit together and there's annies and outies and it fits

01:15:10.520 the biological difference between men and women and that's a thing and that's the thing that we

01:15:17.120 think is sacred and really important um difference in shape i get a bigger stole that's bigger and

01:15:27.140 cooler because I'm alteragogi. It really is just to make a distinction like, hey, this is the

01:15:34.140 high priest, so it's a bit more grand. And the color-wise, because we've kind of got three

01:15:44.000 ranks of gothic hierarchy and three AFA colors, and we tried to reflect that and how we did with

01:15:53.480 stoles um when we have to stratify further that might look different that's not a hard and fast

01:16:00.280 but we did want to symbolize that in that and have it clear who was a gofie who is a one of

01:16:07.640 the specking are and who is the ulcerer so it was readily apparent by the stoles and it was

01:16:13.560 a really convenient way to do that color wise but good on you for noticing um

01:16:19.320 um we actually have a member that uh makes the stoles for us which is really cool yeah what

01:16:27.360 were you gonna say it's fun I was gonna say everyone's gonna hear you say oh you know you

01:16:31.980 got the bigger stole because uh it's cooler because you're elsewhere but they'll and and

01:16:37.740 oh how dare that be the case that the title alheryars godi is he's the one above all the

01:16:46.920 godhis that distinction needed to be made how do you make it so we focused on the color scheme of

01:16:54.120 blue white and gold and focused that the else here go these stole would be gold and that the speck

01:17:00.760 ingers they have white and the gothar have blue and so these distinctions are subtle but purposeful

01:17:09.800 um and yes a member of so they were designed by alzer go the and me kind of

01:17:17.200 uh workshopping these things and then we have a member who makes them but it's always going

01:17:25.340 to be an evolution there could be a time where there's specifically a stole for an event like a

01:17:32.020 funeral or a wedding that stuff can happen but that's why you get these differences

01:17:38.120 it just doesn't come out of the gate perfect every time and there are things that we try to 1.00

01:17:46.740 work on uh the lengths um some of the ladies didn't want wider stoles they wanted thinner

01:17:53.760 ones and lighter ones so that's i think everybody in ausa through um in our church 1.00

01:18:03.780 should be mindful of those things.

01:18:06.560 It's a constant evolution of moving forward and upward.

01:18:12.600 Absolutely.

01:18:13.840 Question to lead in.

01:18:15.980 We know how the food pantry services of the hops impact the local folk,

01:18:21.320 but how does that service impact our relationship with the gods and the ancestors?

01:18:27.900 Svon, what are your thoughts on that?

01:18:29.760 You cannot receive the blessings from the gods with a closed hand.

01:18:33.780 So from the surface point, it is noble to give. That doesn't involve the gods except that the gods witness us being noble.

01:18:46.780 That's important because as the gods do gather to counsel at the well in heaven, at the base of the tree, they are watching all things.

01:18:56.740 And one of the things that we ask them to witness us with is our deeds and our actions to act noble as in the name of our people.

01:19:08.840 But it goes beyond that as well, is that Fehu, the rune of wealth, is not a stagnant rune.

01:19:17.960 It is a rune that symbolizes wealth, but the wealth is coming in and going out.

01:19:24.540 and you cannot gain the fortunes of your actions and your deeds with a closed hand so of a giving

01:19:34.060 hand um it creates motion movement and i think that that's i'm speaking more on a kind of

01:19:45.180 uh metaphysical level that that benefit is a continuance we see that in our

01:19:52.380 ancestors all the time. The king who wields the sword with iron grip and conquers is also the

01:20:05.860 one who has an open hand, who gives rings, who gives lands. It's not meant to be coveted. It's

01:20:15.380 not meant to be um consolidated it's meant to be moved around and to buy an authority that has

01:20:26.100 gained it but it it then is moved around in order to give it life and it becomes organic so the gods

01:20:35.280 i think witness our nobility in in action but at the same time it's it's almost psychological that

01:20:45.360 we know that if things are stagnant life doesn't grow so we are moving things around us our

01:20:56.080 community um whether it's chosen or not chosen the action is still the same you should move things

01:21:03.600 around and create that organic life while also being noble and being witnessed

01:21:10.000 yeah i

01:21:13.360 so fundamentally generosity is a noble thing

01:21:25.300 hospitality is a noble thing

01:21:29.500 doing kindness to other people and to other living things is a nice thing to do

01:21:40.000 I think we want our gods to witness us being noble and doing good things.

01:21:46.520 I certainly think that our ancestors, you know, you may have a stingy ancestor.

01:21:56.020 One of them, you know, some of our ancestors are going to be grumpy and stingy people.

01:22:01.040 But in general, our ancestors would be proud of us doing nice things for other people.

01:22:10.000 And what is worth speaking on that I've run into about food pantry stuff, we have a certain number of our people that have become very angry with the world the way it is.

01:22:28.040 a frustrated situation we find ourselves in and sometimes they allow that frustration

01:22:36.760 to sink in and harden their hearts and make them um

01:22:44.440 grumpy about kindness especially if that kindness involves other people that are us

01:22:51.160 us. I would caution against that. We all get it. We get the stuff going on in the world.

01:23:02.760 If the possibility that maybe somebody that's not of our folk comes by and gets food that's

01:23:10.580 been donated to the Hoff and, you know, somebody who doesn't look like us that's hungry gets

01:23:17.580 a box of macaroni and cheese, if that genuinely hurts your feelings, makes you upset,

01:23:25.020 and I'm not saying this to be rude to anybody, I think that is a you thing that maybe you need

01:23:30.880 to figure out internally. Don't let, don't let, you know, as the kids would say, the black pill

01:23:39.700 make you become the villainous person that our foes would like to paint us as i think that the

01:23:49.960 food pantries make our ancestors happy and proud of us i think it makes the gods proud of us

01:23:56.180 the other thing it gives our people and i mentioned you know that certain group of our

01:24:01.680 people but i think there's more than just that a lot of our people

01:24:04.600 spend a lot of time upset, a lot of time internalizing upsetness that they absorb

01:24:12.840 online and in other places, having the opportunity once a month for a few hours here and there

01:24:18.840 to do something nice and have people who are hungry and in need and down on their luck

01:24:24.500 smile and be thankful and happy because we did something nice for them.

01:24:29.460 That's a good feeling, and I don't think it's a feeling that all of our people are used to or have an outlet for.

01:24:37.720 And I think that's good for the soul and is a nice thing.

01:24:47.580 I'm going to go to 7.30 here, and then we'll go to the next section, but I'm going to read questions until then.

01:24:54.020 What is the significance of using clockwise direction versus counterclockwise direction?

01:24:59.460 spot uh the source of this goes into what we would just call alignment alignment with the gods

01:25:08.260 alignment with or law is that um everything moves in this way sun wise so it's the sun way

01:25:18.900 um the number 12 its significance um again a lot of people try to oh why aren't you doing metric

01:25:28.600 and using Deca, but 12 is such a significant number in our culture, in our math.

01:25:38.400 The days, the hours, all of these, the runes, everything is broken down into 12s.

01:25:46.500 And it is about moving in alignment with everything else as the gods set them.

01:25:55.320 So as the heavenly wardens are placed into their position over the spark of Muspelheim and over the shards of primordial creation, things are placed in movement perfectly and with perfect precision.

01:26:13.400 the pulling of the earth, you know, being lifted up and placed down and spun so that it's not too

01:26:22.820 hot. Everything is perfect. So when we move sun-wise, we move in that perfection. As we go

01:26:32.280 through the wheel of the year, a lot of people don't know this, but Ausitru generally was doing

01:26:36.860 an eight spoke wheel and the movement towards the 12 holy tides was again another step towards

01:26:44.520 that alignment and making sure that we align our internal selves with the cosmic and so you

01:26:55.160 you end up feeling that connection um yes there's logistical reasons too you know you miss one you

01:27:03.260 don't have to wait three months for the next one but the significance of the 12 and its usage in

01:27:10.960 our culture is so thick that we can't deny it so it's about alignment it's about moving in that

01:27:20.180 correct patterning uh uh de soil i think diesel de soil and widershin widershin being against

01:27:29.980 the sun so that's kind of where it comes from

01:27:33.100 what spawn said so it depends i could see it comes if you're trying to unravel something

01:27:48.420 or if there was some kind of a ritual that you were trying to undo like i could see a situation

01:27:55.380 where you're going with our shins intentionally,

01:28:00.040 but we want to make all of the things we do,

01:28:03.180 especially in ritual, have meaning to them and have purpose.

01:28:08.080 By movement in the ritual space being done sun-wise or clock-wise,

01:28:15.840 we're acknowledging the natural order of things.

01:28:19.580 we're acknowledging the alignment with order and solar might and doing that consistently and

01:28:28.540 regularly kind of ingrains that in a subtle non-myrtle way that we all partake of um i also

01:28:38.060 want people to know it comes from you from else here go these movement uh matter of fact when it

01:28:45.020 when we were discussing this i think you and i were kind of like i don't know debating about it

01:28:50.940 and the movement uh towards that and i was so ingrained in my old way of thinking and that's

01:28:58.860 another problem i think we have in our faith is that some people who have been practicing

01:29:03.020 for a long time they get introduced an idea and they lose the concept of alignment because

01:29:11.500 that's just the way they've been doing it and they they get aggravated and not having the ability to

01:29:18.380 see that and uh you know again i don't think that al-siragothi is making these things up

01:29:25.580 just for fun it there's a guidance here and you know i have studied the gods for a very long

01:29:32.460 time i've had a very long relationship but i do believe that al-siragothi is gaining insight

01:29:40.220 whether through inclination the blood however it may be but if he comes to me and says

01:29:50.060 uh we're gonna do we're gonna we need to do 12 there's something wrong here there's an ailment

01:29:56.300 and i kind of you know shake my fists and gnash my teeth and then i come around to an understanding

01:30:03.980 And then suddenly I realized the wisdom. This is part of that alignment there. There is so much to these patterns that can be seen. I just I find it kind of disgusting that people are so resistant in these respects when, you know, I have the freedom to protest.

01:30:23.220 that's great that's what that's about but at the same time my blindness uh if i protest to the

01:30:33.280 point where i flake off and run away take my toys and go home because the game's not going the way

01:30:38.740 i want it to go it's very childish but instead to look at why why is al-sirgoldi saying this

01:30:47.580 There's an ailment there. He has an inclination or however it's coming to him. Why not consider this? And then once the considerations passed, it's like, oh, no, this is absolutely the way we needed this for so long.

01:31:04.600 So there are many Alcetruer coming into the faith that will never know the eight spoke wheel or what have you. And really, it's a part of our history, but it's not, I don't think it's necessary. I think it was a stepping stone to what we were ultimately building towards. And I think Alcetruer Goethe saw that.

01:31:26.720 so well i don't see that very often no i i appreciate that and i appreciate your trust

01:31:34.360 in me on that um i don't take that for granted um i'd like to acknowledge our folkwilder

01:31:41.480 extraordinaire ron boardman who donated 40 towards our pavilion saying uh regarding divorce

01:31:47.740 to help word it off never ever say divorce when arguing and never ever call names

01:31:53.460 many strokes fell mighty oaks

01:31:56.980 I think that's sound advice

01:31:59.020 yeah I think it's sound advice we all

01:32:03.100 would do well

01:32:05.240 heeding in our

01:32:06.640 romantic relationships

01:32:08.720 that's kind of

01:32:12.880 Soderbjorn's question

01:32:14.800 finding where

01:32:18.680 I was

01:32:22.380 alright

01:32:22.940 Okay, one more question, we're going to get back in the text, and then we'll get questions again here when we get this next section through.

01:32:30.400 So, I'll tell you, can you talk about why we use swords at Sigurbloat?

01:32:36.940 Sure.

01:32:37.380 Sure. So, sigur bloat is kind of a layered occasion. It is...

01:32:54.580 all right so to kind of follow on what slama's saying a second ago

01:33:03.540 cigarette is something that was traditionally done by vikings in the springtime at the start

01:33:08.420 of raiding season for success in their upcoming raid slash warfare endeavors

01:33:17.220 it's one of the celebrations of our ancestors it doesn't have to be tied to a certain time it

01:33:23.460 wasn't a you know growing season thing it was a before we're going to set out trying to win

01:33:32.900 victories we're going to beseech the gods to grant us victory by you know making offerings

01:33:40.900 so it's one of the reasons again we wanted to make sure we had a celebration and observance

01:33:46.260 each month didn't have something for july so we decided we'll celebrate cigar bloat in july

01:33:54.900 because in our modern world um

01:34:00.340 first we're spread out over the entire globe and secondly our

01:34:08.660 endeavors in which we seek victory in happen year round all the time so

01:34:16.260 We wanted to, with Sigur Bloat, to celebrate and to be thankful for and to acknowledge like past and current victories.

01:34:29.380 And we want to build momentum by the celebration of that to ask for the God's help and to make commitments to future victories.

01:34:43.220 and it's a time to acknowledge what we've won what we plan to win and to seek the might of ritual

01:34:51.300 to help us in those endeavors um so in order to do that the sword is a

01:35:00.420 classic example for our people of the implement of victory the raised sword guiding the charging

01:35:10.740 force towards victory, the sword of victory being a concept of our ancestors, the sword itself

01:35:20.340 embodying the ability to attain victory. So the sword has always been very closely linked

01:35:27.780 in our ancestors' time and in modern times with achieving victory, with symbolizing

01:35:35.060 something that not only is victorious leads towards victory and embodies and holds something

01:35:44.820 of that victory within it and that's why we use the sword as the perfect symbol and

01:35:50.900 talisman of victory for that celebration

01:35:54.480 So with that, Svahn, would you read section 53 for us?

01:36:06.900 Yes, absolutely.

01:36:09.720 Who shall survive Ragnarokker?

01:36:13.800 Then spoke Gangliri, Shall any of the gods live then, or shall there be then any earth

01:36:23.840 or heaven remaining?

01:36:26.600 Haur answered, In that time the earth shall emerge out of the sea, and shall then be green

01:36:36.660 and fair.

01:36:38.360 Then shall the fruits of it be brought forth unsewn.

01:36:43.800 Vidar, the wide ruler, and Vaule, the god of immediate correction,

01:36:52.680 shall be living inasmuch as neither sea nor the fire of Suttr shall have harmed them,

01:37:01.880 and they shall dwell at Iða plain, Iðavl, where the gods were.

01:37:10.400 So they shall return.

01:37:11.900 I would also like to point out, there's a second weapon of Thor that very few people speak of, and I wonder if the duality there is the greater weapon, lesser weapon,

01:37:40.660 but there is Gríðrval, the iron rod, as well.

01:37:45.280 But after that, Baldr shall come thither and Háðr from hell.

01:37:53.880 So they return and rise again.

01:37:57.700 Then all shall sit down together and hold speech,

01:38:02.200 the great council and the court with one another

01:38:07.660 and call to mind their secret wisdom and speak of those happenings which have been of before,

01:38:14.700 of the Midgard serpent, of the fen-dwelling wolf, then they shall find in the grass those golden

01:38:23.560 chess pieces which the Aesir, their forefathers, had. Thus it is said,

01:38:31.160 In the deity's shrines shall dwell Vidar and Vauli.

01:38:39.320 When the fire of Suttur is slackened,

01:38:42.400 Modi and Magni shall have Mjolnir at the ceasing of Thor's strife. 0.93

01:38:49.760 In the place called Hodmimirsholt,

01:38:54.520 there shall lie hidden during the fire of Suttur

01:38:57.680 two of mankind, who are called life, leaf, and leaf thrasser, the will to live.

01:39:08.980 And for, they are, they are the folk.

01:39:12.100 And for food they shall have, the morning dues.

01:39:17.180 From these folk shall come so numerous an offspring, that all the world shall be peopled by them.

01:39:24.000 Even, as it is said here, leaf and leaf thraser, these shall lurk hidden in the holt of Hodmimir, which Hodmimir is Yggdrasil. 0.63

01:39:40.080 The morning dews their meat shall be, and thence are gendered the generations. 0.95

01:39:47.440 So from them the folk return.

01:39:51.240 And it may seem wonderful to thee that the son shall have born a daughter, no less fair than herself. 0.95

01:39:59.940 And the daughter shall then tread in the steps of her mother.

01:40:04.920 She will gain the wardenship over the spark that her mother had.

01:40:11.680 As it is said here, the elfin beam shall bear a daughter.

01:40:17.380 the elfin beam is a kenning um again the skein of light the elven skein of light

01:40:27.320 uh particularly referring to leo salver and we must remember that alf or elf is like in our

01:40:37.100 language the word monster it's not definable by particularly any feature but that whatever's

01:40:44.940 before it that's what the being is synthesized to so leos alvar is a being synthesized to light

01:40:56.540 the elven beam shall bear a daughter ere fenris drags her forth that maid shall go

01:41:06.540 when the great gods die to ride her mother's road

01:41:10.620 But now, if thou art able to ask yet further, then indeed I know, not whence answer shall come to thee.

01:41:20.600 For I never heard any man tell forth a greater length the course of the world, and now avail thyself of that which thou hast heard.

01:41:33.320 Do you wish for me to proceed? 54?

01:41:40.620 of Gangliri

01:41:45.860 54.

01:41:49.020 Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't realize I was muted. I was saying go ahead,

01:41:52.820 and I just want to take a moment. At long last,

01:41:56.520 seven months in, well, six months in,

01:42:01.020 we are about to read

01:42:04.080 the very last section of this poem. Thank you guys

01:42:08.360 so much for going through this with us it is one that i think is extremely important and that i'm

01:42:16.280 very glad you took time on but you guys have been great and it is really a special thing and a

01:42:23.080 special opportunity for spawn and i go through these pieces of war together and with all of you

01:42:30.200 and answering your questions as they come up i think it's been a really good experience on this

01:42:35.320 us. And yeah, appreciate everybody being here for it and being with us on the journey. Swan,

01:42:41.560 if you would take us into the final section of this poem.

01:42:46.460 Thereupon Gangliri heard great noises on every side of him, and then when he had looked about

01:42:54.420 him more, lo, he stood out of doors on a level plain and saw no hall, and there was no castle.

01:43:03.160 Then he went his way forth and came home into his kingdom and told of these tidings, which he had seen and heard.

01:43:12.020 And after him, each man told these tales to the other.

01:43:17.580 Now, here is where Wilkin and other scholars close this edition out.

01:43:23.420 But there is an edition from Jonson that goes further in two verses.

01:43:31.520 But the Aesir sat them down to speak together and took counsel and recalled all these tales, which had been told to him, their guest.

01:43:42.120 And they gave these names that were named before to those men and places that were there, to the end that when long ages should have passed away, men should no doubt thereof, that those Aesir that were but now spoken of.

01:44:00.420 And these, to whom the same names were then given, were all one.

01:44:07.560 There Thor was so named, and he is the old Ausathor.

01:44:14.420 All reject what follows.

01:44:17.360 So this section here was added somewhere, and all of the scholars reject this,

01:44:23.460 that this has no continuancy in the original text.

01:44:30.420 And again, the paragraph I just read, there's some interesting things in that one.

01:44:36.460 But all scholars generally reject this is, he is Okuthur, and to him are ascribed those mighty works which Hector wrought in Troy.

01:44:51.320 But this is the belief of men, that the Turks told of Ulysses, and they called him Loki, for the Turks were his greatest foes.

01:45:08.000 First off, just kind of going backwards, the Turks being of the people of that land, but not the actual Turks.

01:45:17.560 By this time, that land had been established, but we're clearly talking about the Trojans.

01:45:28.300 They just refer to them as Turks, and they try to correlate Ulysses with Loki.

01:45:36.160 And again, there's a reason why this being added on or where it was added on, most scholars reject this.

01:45:44.080 But the one before this speaks of the gods, that the gods are named thus and that Thor is Aosathor, that his name goes back further.

01:45:59.860 And I think this speaks about evolution.

01:46:02.120 This speaks about a spark of memory of that which goes back into the past, that our ancestors ultimately understood that Woden of the Anglo-Saxons or Wotan of the Germans is Odin of their people and vice versa.

01:46:23.120 they were not separate gods that they understood that there was linguistic evolution and

01:46:30.580 when this is spoken this is 150 years after the official conversion of iceland which was not the

01:46:40.780 stopping of the old ways it was just the pinch point if you will um they understood

01:46:50.160 that there was an evolution of names there was an evolution of identity of these great gods

01:46:58.300 amongst their people and that it was that way for all of the folk um we were just speaking about this

01:47:09.520 in the gothar about um the trinity the tripartite and how it is a an element that is universal

01:47:18.640 throughout every Aryan branch of religiosity.

01:47:21.880 And I think that this verse is lending to an idea of understanding that evolution.

01:47:30.940 All right, well, there we are.

01:47:34.120 We do have some more questions and stuff to get to tonight, so we will do that here.

01:47:40.800 Question here.

01:47:43.200 Is Ragnarok prophesied as something that is definitely going to happen?

01:47:48.260 or as a vision of what would happen if steps were not taken to prevent it?

01:47:54.060 Svahn.

01:47:54.900 That is a great question.

01:47:58.680 I think about this every time someone says,

01:48:01.900 Oh, Lord Odin is the Faustian god, where he sells a piece of himself to gain something.

01:48:10.840 But they forget that he is slaying himself on Yggdrasil.

01:48:17.180 So Yggdrasil is his horse as he rides it with his life essence as a god to gain an understanding, to stave off Ragnarok.

01:48:33.740 Theologically, though, there is a concept of spiraled time or mythical time in which perhaps all events are happening at the same time.

01:48:47.180 It would be kind of like saying that the gods work in four dimensions instead of three.

01:48:55.040 So all the interconnectedness of events is kind of like a net,

01:49:02.040 that there is a linkage between all of them in every direction.

01:49:05.880 And so the gods are staving off Ragnarok.

01:49:12.540 They are fighting and enduring and yet have not seen the dawn of it all at the same time.

01:49:22.740 And that's why we talk about Lord Balder as being the living God and the dead God.

01:49:31.040 It is one and to the same.

01:49:34.080 And it's very hard to kind of speak of just outright.

01:49:38.620 But this mythical language of the spiraling of time that's layered on top of each other is a core theological concept in our faith.

01:49:54.440 So when you speak of it as the prevention of, yes, there is the prevention of.

01:50:02.680 That's 100% the importance of that point.

01:50:09.120 But the timelessness, the eternal truth of it is that Ragnarok will happen and has happened.

01:50:18.560 And it gets very kind of confusing to vocalize it in a sense without understanding it first, contemplating on the idea that what if these connectivities are happening all at that, at their same time.

01:50:39.280 And the reasoning for this, if you want to go into kind of a physical sense, is that Orla and fate, time, movement, all these things flow from the well that is the original source or earth's brunner, earth's well.

01:50:58.060 It flows from the upper world into the lower. The gods are above that well looking in. They're touching the well and creating the ripples.

01:51:07.860 So the time that they experience, the things that keep them eternal, that which is the golden apples of Idun or Iduna is, they're not apples.

01:51:26.080 there it is beyond sometimes i think our own reckoning we see that these you know it's

01:51:34.420 spoken of poetically as the apples are like light and the gods are like light and uh heimdall is the

01:51:42.260 prismatic gate from the lights of heaven into the middle world and he has one foot there and one foot

01:51:48.260 here it's all spoken of in mythic language which is like painting with words and that's where we

01:51:58.660 go into the concept of that it has is and will happen and that the eternal nature of every event

01:52:10.740 that the gods have gone through is correlative together, that it can be applied at any time.

01:52:22.980 I find myself kind of stuttering and skipping or tripping over my words when I attempt to explain

01:52:33.600 it because it goes more into the nature of mythos than it does so much with linear time

01:52:44.160 concept we have taken mythic time and made it linear in order to understand every branch of

01:52:55.280 aryan religiosity has a battle in the beginning or the end and i think that's no coincidence

01:53:03.380 in relation to the starting and the stopping of a cycle.

01:53:09.720 But it can be applied micro in the self.

01:53:14.440 It can be applied macro into the world.

01:53:18.020 And so I think that each individual soul

01:53:21.720 connected to their community of folk

01:53:24.140 can apply these truths in multiple layers out

01:53:29.260 and in as well as

01:53:31.660 into the future

01:53:33.440 and into the past

01:53:35.280 I'm sure that

01:53:40.020 probably raised more questions

01:53:42.520 than it answered

01:53:43.340 but

01:53:44.260 so yeah

01:53:47.840 what's Fawn said

01:53:48.740 not to

01:53:50.220 no but just not to belabor it

01:53:52.680 mythic time

01:53:58.200 and the events of the high cosmic war like this

01:54:06.140 aren't meant to be chronologically accessible to us.

01:54:13.940 They are, they exist in their own thing

01:54:19.800 to where they are simultaneously occurring.

01:54:23.880 And they're all there to teach us the truth of who our gods are and to help us understand our place in the cosmos and how things work and help us relate to the gods and our faith.

01:54:45.900 um it's not that they need to be uh chronologically overlaid onto you know our

01:54:58.340 earthly understanding of history we can simultaneously you know balder is the shining

01:55:08.100 prince of Asgard. He's also the baby that is the pride and joy of Odin and Frigg. He

01:55:18.020 is the tragic victim of treachery. He is waiting in Helheim for his return, and he is returned

01:55:28.900 triumphant. He is all of those things at once. So yeah, that's a complicated thing, but the

01:55:36.800 idea with all of it is seeing the well one thing with all of it is seeing the pattern

01:55:47.200 of earth as it's laid out recognizing currents the gods at a much higher level seeing those currents

01:55:55.520 with much greater clarity and much greater understanding and then taking steps to alter

01:56:01.280 things and to prepare for things we can all do that and it's one of the

01:56:08.240 the promises that if you know enough and you do enough stuff you can change and shift those

01:56:16.540 currents is also very richly attested to in our more in our faith it's the reason that

01:56:23.860 You know, scold means should and not will.

01:56:29.620 It's not a definite ending.

01:56:31.620 It's a projected course.

01:56:37.540 So yeah, that one is one of the harder ones

01:56:39.660 for people to completely wrap their head around.

01:56:43.940 You know, all of us included,

01:56:45.640 that one's hard for us to get.

01:56:47.820 Do in-laws count as ancestors?

01:56:54.980 If so, what about ex-in-laws?

01:56:58.060 It depends on what you mean when you say it and how you say it.

01:57:10.140 For example, your in-laws and your ex-in-laws are not your ancestors.

01:57:21.380 But during that round of symbol, we talk about the ancestors.

01:57:27.780 When we say the, like literally, if they don't have descendants, they aren't ancestors.

01:57:36.260 but when we talk about the ancestors we're talking about the collected dead of our folk

01:57:45.260 and so hailing then in the ancestors round sometimes we will hail an ancestor of our folk

01:57:53.200 and not like our personal ancestor that's because we've called it the round of the ancestors but

01:57:59.980 traditionally is the minion or the horn of remembrance um but something else to consider

01:58:08.920 if you're in a family if you have children your children those in-laws may very well be

01:58:17.440 their ancestors or the ex-in-laws may very well be your children's ancestors

01:58:22.900 and so that's important to think about too it all depends on what context you want to know

01:58:29.440 the specificity of the Indian ancestors. Do you have any additional thought on that, Swan?

01:58:35.600 Yeah, I mean, I think that there is point of...

01:58:42.640 Obviously, there's blood in relation to, say, the family. And then there's connectivity through

01:58:49.680 oaths. Obviously, a blood brother, blood sister, very important. Marriage, equally so.

01:58:57.040 um but the outcome or the result of a marriage is very different than say the oath of blood brother

01:59:04.840 or or blood sister um so we start to see a decline a declaration of difference

01:59:14.800 and because they are different they have different results and so they become extended family that

01:59:22.700 you are uh beholden to in certain ways um but the farther that they get away from you the farther

01:59:30.560 both in life and on i think there's that connectivity and and then finally it boils

01:59:39.400 down to proximity uh or law creating weird or or law fate together but it's clearly there there

01:59:49.680 is that connection it's just that those connections um if they take descendancy like

01:59:58.480 i was here ago he said if they're if your side goes into this and they produce offspring then

02:00:05.540 we're starting to see that stratification of connectivity that is clearly there but it produces

02:00:13.800 that network versus blood brotherhood where there is a direct connection like as if they

02:00:24.300 are siblings and then those children produce and are connected in a different way but also family

02:00:33.020 or familial um that's an interesting question i i don't know how how in the weeds

02:00:42.840 we could go with that but i think practicality always trumps um inclination

02:00:52.840 especially if somebody tries to weaponize it

02:00:58.360 um

02:01:02.920 intention is a really big thing so

02:01:05.160 why does it matter if they're ancestors not saying it doesn't matter but saying like for context why

02:01:16.440 are you asking the question because the answer may become different as i was saying like if it's

02:01:23.320 is it okay in the ancestors round of sumble then as the ancestors or i'd like to raise a

02:01:31.400 horn to my son's ancestor you know my father-in-law so-and-so i think that's completely in balance

02:01:40.440 or i've raised a horn in an ancestor round to like um uh my friend gothe thorgrin odin who passed

02:01:50.520 not as my ancestor but as one of the afa's ancestors it's one of our collected ancestors

02:01:57.160 when we talk about tribal ancestors it doesn't have to be your specific ancestor

02:02:04.440 in that kind of assemble context or someone doesn't have to be an ancestor for you to

02:02:12.040 venerate them at your altar you can venerate other fallen of our folk that are worthy of

02:02:19.720 veneration and celebration so like what your implication with the question kind of goes on

02:02:26.600 on the the depth of the answer um gw farnsworth donated 25 towards the pavilion and 225 towards

02:02:37.720 the property of cigarette itself thank you so much we appreciate your constant and with your

02:02:43.800 consistent and generous giving on the program thank you for that um and jeffrey in texas also

02:02:53.240 super frequent donor donor on here we appreciate you he donated 25 towards the pavilion and 25

02:03:01.000 towards uh to your top so thank you thank you for that um

02:03:15.960 okay so nick you're gonna have to help me because i have no idea the context for

02:03:23.240 does that mean only those two or do they mean those two types of our folk

02:03:31.000 I do not know the context. Unfortunately, I did not see the question right when y'all were talking to know what he was talking about.

02:03:38.900 I think, is this in reference to Leif and Leif Throsser?

02:03:46.900 I mean, I think it's worth noting that in our stories, it's not the literal one for one.

02:03:54.480 I mean, when Lord Heimdall comes down, he meets great-grandfather and great-grandmother.

02:04:02.300 That's their names.

02:04:03.660 Then he meets grandfather and grandmother.

02:04:07.340 Then he meets father and mother.

02:04:09.480 And the folk that return, that drink of the dew and hide in the, in Yggdrasil, in the core, they are, their names are life and the will to live.

02:04:27.260 so you know i think even our ancestors understood that um that there there is this understanding

02:04:36.580 that it's not uh like again when you get into biblical literalism oh no it's adam and eve

02:04:45.360 never mind the babylonian adamu or or what have you no it's absolute literalism

02:04:51.960 the the reason why there's a masculine and a feminine is because that's divine and that's

02:04:59.280 the only way that uh life can be created here in midgard if it's not then it's it's a aberrant

02:05:09.240 in some strange way um and so the the masculine and the feminine are represented clearly a man

02:05:17.520 and a woman and then they give forth so but their names are life and the will to live that's

02:05:26.080 i i don't think that's accidental i don't think that's unintentional um if that's what this is

02:05:33.280 relating to um and oftentimes people try to declin declinate like uh different types of

02:05:42.820 folk etc or they do it a lot with the jotens uh that there's like somehow some like royal jotens

02:05:50.400 because of emmer's upper body and the lower body is the not royal or just kind of churlish um

02:05:59.580 without you know hey the the the deluge of blood wipes them all out and it starts with

02:06:08.320 back with Barry Elmer and his wife it always kind of gets boiled back down to the polarics of two

02:06:16.060 in relation to the genesis of something in our mythos and I think that's primally understood

02:06:26.200 but intellectually people try to read too much into it yeah I tend to think it's about

02:06:34.340 You know, a couple that survives to populate and to continue the continued process of life.

02:06:49.740 But we're just kind of guessing on that.

02:06:52.960 That one's from Ron.

02:06:54.280 So, Ron, if you have follow-up questions on that, if you're still around, let us know and we can get closer if we miss the mark on it.

02:07:01.260 um here's another question if someone is a european mix for example celtic slash german

02:07:11.020 slash slavic do they go to hell slash other world slash nav or are they possibly the same destination

02:07:21.120 yes

02:07:25.140 so it's fine you have this this comes on a conversation that uh speck and her spawn has

02:07:36.260 been like fully engaged in this afternoon so uh spawn has to say i'm gonna let you cook so go

02:07:46.200 so if we look at every uh european mix if you will if we look at the greco-roman if we look

02:07:57.560 at the slavs if we look at the um the gaulish or gaelic um subgroup of the gauls uh the germanics

02:08:09.040 and the subgroup the nords etc you look at all these groups and we see patterns and the biggest

02:08:15.540 thing is that we shouldn't try to force the gods into some greater pattern where we say, oh, you

02:08:23.920 know, the gods are, this god is actually this god, etc., etc. But what we can admit very, very clearly

02:08:30.060 is that what is important to one group might not be as important as to the other group. And what we

02:08:38.700 see is the relationship that they have with the gods is different the titles are different

02:08:46.240 oftentimes they're still just titles the names of the gods are titles Odin being the furious one

02:08:54.320 Thor being the thunderous or the strong Freir meaning the lord these titles but every European

02:09:03.880 Proto-Indo-European or Aryan descendant culture has a relationship with the gods and asks them

02:09:13.400 in different ways to fulfill. So we speak about it in the Gothar as thrones, because a throne

02:09:21.720 can be occupied, that the holy gods can sit in that throne that is to benefit the people,

02:09:30.360 because it's built upon the relationship that they're asking the gods to fulfill

02:09:34.980 that's why it's so hard like people have like a rudimentary ideas like thor is the god of thunder

02:09:42.400 he can't be the god of blessings he can't be the god of war he has to be the god of thunder

02:09:49.220 um no that's not the case it that that's when we start pushing the divine into little boxes 0.83

02:09:58.140 so like again looking at those patterns we know that fun is a gothi spawn also is a barber

02:10:07.380 he's also a husband he's also a father he's also my friend he is all of those things those are all

02:10:15.540 true he is a complex being that has will and agency and personality so how much more so are

02:10:24.660 holy gods right so more so that's yeah that's another thing uh you know like when we as gothar

02:10:33.060 we should not go forth to the people and say you know uh you know zeus is tyrannis is uh odin and

02:10:46.120 uh shiva and indra and and we're just gonna you know or the evidence but instead we see that

02:10:54.540 people are not looking at deeper patterns. There is always an upper and a lower or an earthly

02:11:02.040 goddess and an upper god, and they move out of the way. For us, it's Bor and Bestla. For the

02:11:08.800 Greco-Romans, it's Kronos and Gaia. So we can see these patterns, and then what is established after 0.90

02:11:15.540 they move out of the way, or they die, or they change, and of course they don't die and just

02:11:22.180 disappear, but things change. And then we have the tripartite, the Trinity that shows up. And

02:11:29.920 in particular, the Trinity in relation to the heavenly realm, we have the Lord who is dynamic.

02:11:38.680 We have the Lord who is static and we have the Lord who is catalystic and is waiting for things

02:11:46.840 to happen in order for him to correct them or purge them. And we see this over and over and

02:11:52.920 over again. And most people focus in on the striker as a trope of that Aryan god, whether

02:12:02.280 his name is Perun or whether his name is Tyrannus or whether his name is Thor. That is important

02:12:09.920 culturally, but it is the God that is all of those. So the other thing I would say that we

02:12:22.620 need to take into consideration is that we do not live in a Gaelic or Gallic society.

02:12:30.840 We don't even really live in a Hellenic and Roman society. We are heavily influenced by it. Our

02:12:37.600 forefathers here in the United States and in pretty much Western civilization are highly

02:12:44.440 influenced by Greco-Roman things. But we are a Germanic society. We speak a Germanic language

02:12:52.860 or at least the Germanic core. And there are still concepts that are not fully even written

02:12:59.840 out that are wholly Germanic and unique. So when we talk about the people should come together

02:13:08.540 and honor the gods, we're not asking the people to honor the gods in Old Norse because we're

02:13:15.300 LARPing as Vikings. No, the Old Norse is the closest to us. And you can't go deep into any

02:13:26.440 of the lore without looking at Old Norse. This isn't to discredit the Anglo-Saxon or the Normani

02:13:33.780 or the migration period Germanic tribes or the Eastern Gutens, on and on and on and on. These

02:13:40.780 people are, people are splitting hairs and it just gets so redundant. We're spinning our wheels in

02:13:45.500 the mud. No, the Old Norse was the closest to us here. They have been Anglicized by scholars, 0.69

02:13:54.420 but those people didn't believe in the gods they were just writing the stories um and they might

02:14:00.900 have been motivated and enticed by the beauty or and that excitement or maybe there was these echoes

02:14:07.060 of that connection but no we're saying the closest to us is the old norse all of the corpus of lore

02:14:13.460 is there so we will reconnect to that and then we will evolve forward from there there's no tearing

02:14:24.180 back to year zero there's no reinventing the god's names um there's no attempt oh well we're

02:14:30.980 english so we should go back to anglo-saxon but every time we want to look up lore on the gods

02:14:36.340 gotta look at the old norse so there there was this conceptualization and i've run into it a

02:14:43.300 thousand times and it's not a bad thing i don't get angry i feel sad when someone's like well i'm

02:14:50.500 I'm Italian-Irish. How can I worship Odin and Thor? And it's like, no, you don't understand.

02:14:58.000 These gods have always been with us. It's our cultures that have changed them and dressed

02:15:05.620 them up in ways that we can relate to them. And we speak of their deeds in relation to the values

02:15:14.800 that we uphold and in ways that's how the gods are influencing us they're okay with being dressed in

02:15:22.240 our morals and our ethics because they're wanting us to cultivate morals and ethics and it may be

02:15:30.560 different amongst each group but that's okay the ultimate destination is the creation of it

02:15:37.200 And that's their goal. So the gods of our folk, the Aryan gods, which again, saying the A word spooks people. I don't like it when they say that. I don't like it when they say that. 0.99

02:15:54.540 Again, I can't, it's incumbent upon them to learn about the origins of that word and what it means, and also question why it has a knee-jerk reaction to make them scared. That's another thing.

02:16:07.800 But whether we talk about the Proto-Indo-European gods or whatever you want to call them, these beings have been intimately connected to our people and they are with the Hellenics.

02:16:24.380 They are with the Gaelics and the Gauls.

02:16:28.420 They are with the Germanics. 0.96

02:16:30.700 They are with the Slavs.

02:16:32.740 But if you look at America, we are a Germanic. 0.78

02:16:35.580 you can say i'm italian i'm irish sure absolutely i'm not to discredit your ancestors but

02:16:43.420 there is a diffusement that happens in europe and if you go back far enough

02:16:48.580 we were all connected so imagine it like a thread that is getting pulled apart and each strand is

02:16:58.220 being made strong. And then there comes America or the Emmerich in Germanic, you know, it's the

02:17:06.780 great kingdom, the Emmerich or the Ammerich in Icelandic, you know, they suddenly all of these

02:17:20.480 strands are now being forged back together. So when you look at the gods that we last,

02:17:26.100 the last relationship that we had with them was in Old Norse. That's why we decided to do it. 0.70

02:17:31.520 So bear in mind, this is a coalescence of our folk coming back together, just as they were

02:17:38.960 before they went through the many different land features of Europe that ended up

02:17:45.940 hyper-focusing individual strands. And now we're courting back together. And it's important that

02:17:53.120 we do so in this time because our folk are clearly under duress. We are in a point where our survival

02:18:06.980 depends on our coalescence. And if we can't do that because, you know, Italian god names and

02:18:17.700 titles versus old Norse God names and titles. This, this is going to be, we need to reevaluate

02:18:24.020 that. And we are doing that. We've already established ourselves that our church has been

02:18:30.360 going since the 1970s. And we have people that are constantly trying to reinvent and go to year zero

02:18:38.200 when in reality, the big ship has been, we are the big ship. We are the central point.

02:18:46.100 stop fragmenting

02:18:48.800 this is the reconnecting

02:18:51.340 of all of those strands together

02:18:52.900 so

02:18:54.660 all of that

02:18:57.900 the fundamentals

02:19:01.240 of the question are

02:19:03.220 if you're part

02:19:05.720 if you're part

02:19:06.940 German

02:19:08.840 if you're part Slavic

02:19:10.520 where do you go 0.99

02:19:14.040 do you go to their

02:19:15.420 three different concepts of the underworld or are they all the same place they're all the same place

02:19:22.620 and yes you go there um if you're part celtic part german and part nubian and part mongolian

02:19:37.340 i genuinely don't know what that looks like because that's outside of the realm of the natural

02:19:42.700 world um but the truth of our folk and our gods and our faith

02:19:54.220 these are our gods these are the realms that are in our reality and that are

02:20:04.060 how it works for us and where we go to be with our ancestors and to be with our gods

02:20:09.740 the particular imagery of all of these places is there to help us understand to help us relate to

02:20:20.300 it to help us learn truths that exist there but the imagery is culturally specific because we

02:20:31.520 have different cultural lenses and that's why amongst our different branches of our ancestors

02:20:36.300 There's a difference.

02:20:39.300 But what I think is likely not the case,

02:20:43.360 when we go there, we're probably not wearing togas,

02:20:47.540 we're probably not, you know, wearing the Smurf hat,

02:20:53.960 we're probably not wearing Viking clothes.

02:20:57.760 It probably doesn't look exactly like any of those things.

02:21:01.680 It's a spiritual realm that probably is beyond our comprehension.

02:21:09.960 We have different touchstones and different imagery that speaks to our unique experience that helps us relate and helps us best understand.

02:21:18.800 But the truth of our faith and our gods, it transcends that.

02:21:31.680 We won't understand it perfectly until we find ourselves there.

02:21:35.660 Even then, not perfectly, we'll have a better understanding.

02:21:39.520 But the imagery and the descriptions in our sacred lore of all of our folk

02:21:46.540 help us better understand, help us better relate,

02:21:50.420 help us learn those lessons through a lens that is visceral

02:21:55.940 and connected to us in our experience, the experience of our lines since the beginning.

02:22:06.700 But thank you, everyone, for joining us this evening.

02:22:11.660 It's not been a super long show, but it's been a good show.

02:22:16.240 And I am very happy that we have gone through the guilt.

02:22:23.620 I say it is a unique and specially made piece of our lore that is in a very particular way

02:22:36.680 meant to encapsulate the entirety of this is what Ausitru is, and it explains it in

02:22:44.080 the clearest, most direct way for us to understand Ausitru and specifically the faith of Snorri

02:22:52.640 sterleson's ancestors so i am like i said this one's very important i'm glad we got to go together

02:23:02.240 and in two weeks fawn and i will join you again and we will start on the uh scald scapula

02:23:14.320 don't quite yet there's another question that's timing specific we need to do it today not next

02:23:19.280 week well it just popped in it was not there when i started my my goodbye speech i know that's why

02:23:25.440 i've not let you finish the goodbye speech all right well good looking out fourth of july is

02:23:31.840 coming up oh there was another question that we've like completely missed that never made it in the

02:23:36.960 queue um or maybe it did and i just skipped it ah i did skip it so i'm glad that we stopped because

02:23:45.600 this one came up earlier but we'll answer the 4th of july one first um i've been told that um that

02:23:54.640 columbia the personification of america is similar to gevian thoughts um you might have been told

02:24:02.960 that by spawn this is so uh sure spawn what are your thoughts on that i'm simply proposing the

02:24:11.680 theory and the inclination by observation that the gods have not left us that they did not leave us

02:24:19.600 but yet continually showed up and kind of speaking on what we were talking about before if the hellenic

02:24:28.320 uh aryan religiosity is from the same source as the germanic then the correlation there is

02:24:40.000 crossing a spectrum. So when the gods are not allowed to be prayed to, they are not forgotten.

02:24:47.480 They are still in our blood and they show up continually in different forms and symbols and

02:24:55.680 shapes. And one in particular is the connectivity between the symbology of Columbia and the

02:25:04.100 manifest destiny spirit that I think most people might be familiar with, of the white robed woman

02:25:12.720 floating over the pioneers as they move forward into the potential of creating society and gaining

02:25:21.960 land. So that's where the theory of my observation comes from, is that the gods did not leave us,

02:25:30.360 but instead formulated from inclinations in our mind in order for them to manifest back into our world and parallel with us and work together with us, guide our hands in tangible ways.

02:25:49.280 I think that if we didn't have the Adas, if we didn't have any of the literature, the gods would still be here.

02:25:59.520 They would manifest in us in whatever way that may be, but it does us disservice if we discount all of the works of our ancestors that they have given us.

02:26:12.800 So when we speak about the gods being perhaps paralleled, it's kind of like looking at there's the Greek chair, the Germanic chair, the Celtic chair, the Slavic chair, the Nordic chair.

02:26:31.380 And there might be missing pieces in some of the blueprints, but we can go back to the original by pulling all of the blueprints together and seeing how they were all connected.

02:26:46.640 That's, I mean, and Radio Agartha, I'm glad you asked the question.

02:26:53.220 Yeah, probably was me.

02:26:55.000 If it wasn't me, that's success because I want other people to be talking about these concepts.

02:27:01.380 I don't view them as something from me.

02:27:05.500 I want this to be theological talking points in Ausatru in and of itself.

02:27:12.220 And I'm not really concerned with my name.

02:27:14.480 I want the church to be associated with all of the grander thoughts of Ausatru.

02:27:21.700 But yes, I think that we could probably look at more.

02:27:27.220 but Gevion in relation to land taking and creating sovereign space and all of the potential that is

02:27:36.140 there so on the 4th of July if you want to light candles at your horde and ring a bell and give a

02:27:45.800 drink to Gevion and to all of the gods I would recommend it absolutely so also if you're doing

02:27:55.820 that on the 4th, be mindful to raise a horn to Sven Bjarne B. Umtonson. It is his day of

02:28:04.660 remembrance that happens to make for a cluttered day in the United States of America, but it is

02:28:11.120 his birthday and it is when we celebrate his day of remembrance. Also, the question that I skipped,

02:28:16.880 PC Gamerify. I did not intend to skip the question. I'm glad that I caught it before the show

02:28:23.200 as we asked it much earlier, Matt, random question, how does the Yostru focus and we view freedom of

02:28:28.640 religion in accordance with the American Constitution? Or does the AFA believe that

02:28:34.000 America should only have one religion? So there's a bunch of things to that question.

02:28:45.280 In the perfect situation, a nation is inherently one ethnic group of people. 0.95

02:29:02.440 That's kind of what the word nation means.

02:29:06.160 Nation is connected to the religion of your folk, and all of those things should work together.

02:29:12.880 That's how it works in traditional society.

02:29:15.280 If we were planning a new endeavor on Mars or something, I think that would be the most in keeping of what that should look like. 0.77

02:29:27.880 But America is a different thing, and it's not a what should be or whatever. It's what is. 0.68

02:29:35.940 we live in a place

02:29:38.780 with a bunch of different people

02:29:40.460 and

02:29:43.620 it doesn't work to unify

02:29:48.660 all of that under the same thing

02:29:50.760 in its current situation

02:29:52.280 it's also

02:29:53.160 we currently

02:29:56.380 benefit greatly from freedom

02:29:58.520 of religion

02:29:59.380 if we did not have freedom of religion

02:30:01.760 it was a unireligion thing 0.85

02:30:03.760 we would not be the ones who won that particular battle and we would have to practice house and

02:30:10.000 true in secret or face the you know the wrath of the authorities so i'm currently very grateful

02:30:17.000 that america has freedom of religion and i'm also self-aware enough that every other person

02:30:24.200 that practices a different faith than me is also grateful for that um i don't think that's the

02:30:32.660 ideal setup in the world but it's where we are and it's what we have and i think we

02:30:40.500 i don't think freedom of religion is an inherent ausitry value i think individuals

02:30:47.780 worshiping the gods of their folk is the inherent ausitru understanding of how things ought to work

02:30:55.700 But again, we waste a lot of energy fantasizing about an imaginary situation that isn't what's real.

02:31:08.840 We do have freedom of religion in America.

02:31:11.340 It's one of the cornerstones.

02:31:13.260 We have a very multicultural situation in the United States. 1.00

02:31:20.500 That's just what we're faced with.

02:31:22.700 And under that circumstance, freedom of religion is what is allowing our folk to come home and is currently very beneficial to the growth of the house of truth.

02:31:32.780 Swan, do you have anything you'd like to add on that?

02:31:34.580 yeah i think one of the biggest points first off let's be real our ancestors the forefathers

02:31:43.220 of the united states were dealing with a situation of the volatile uh breakup of the i guess the core

02:31:54.680 of christianity that's been going on since saul of tarsus um and so the freedom of religion really

02:32:01.560 was to buffer the decisive or dissection of people there there needs to be unity

02:32:10.560 and if you start splitting lines and saying oh well the rights of the methodists are way more

02:32:17.340 than the episcopate it's going to start so they said no you have the freedom of this

02:32:22.540 um but if you take say a religion that is completely counter-cultural to american

02:32:31.120 values. And why there's such a desperate attempt by some people to say, oh, America was founded

02:32:38.320 on these precepts of Islam or whatever, that they're desperately trying to integrate,

02:32:44.520 which is false. And then very few people ask why. So there's these anti-cultural values.

02:32:56.540 And it would be the same if we were to go into, say, a place where it was only one religion,

02:33:03.760 if it was only Islamic or what have you, and we started placing Germanic concepts of liberty

02:33:11.640 out there, it would be squashed in a moment. So that freedom of religion was really a way 0.99

02:33:20.120 to supersede the division, create unity. That was the only way that this was going to survive.

02:33:30.280 When you look at overarching, do I think that all folk people should lay down their slavish 0.90

02:33:43.080 attachment to a rabbi and a God of a different people and a moral system that comes from the

02:33:50.440 Middle East? Yes, I do. But my religion doesn't require it for me to build further relationships

02:34:00.860 with those people. And I have only seen it in the other direction from the Abrahamic faiths where

02:34:06.820 they say, oh, you know, an African Christian is more a brother to me than a European pagan. 0.60

02:34:14.040 And that coming from the Torah, that's the whole reason why they're even thinking that way.

02:34:20.460 So would it be great for them to relinquish these things, come back to the gods of their

02:34:26.260 ancestors, and then we could really move forward? Yes. But it doesn't divide us to a point. There

02:34:35.360 are other connective points that i think are important uh in regards to western civilization

02:34:43.440 and um we shouldn't get ourselves caught in the weeds in relation to those we can try to convince

02:34:51.840 and we can try to work together but ultimately at the end of the day we're all of the western

02:34:55.120 civilization we're all of the anglosphere whatever other designation you want to call it um the

02:35:01.120 unfortunate thing is, is because of the Semitic nature of many of the monotheistic religions, 0.99

02:35:06.700 it is a all or nothing, salted earth, pillars, Yahweh, don't look back, suffer not a witch to 0.99

02:35:16.280 live, etc., etc., that they will turn on their ethnic biological brothers in the name of the 0.76

02:35:25.020 God of the Judeans in a heartbeat. And that does cause a lot of tension that causes a lot of

02:35:32.360 trepidation. Um, but I do see people working past that. So that's the, the, the black pill.

02:35:39.920 And then the white pill is I had physically seen people work past it. There are lots of people 0.89

02:35:46.160 that discuss the future of our folk and they do it with a multifaceted freedom of religion in the

02:35:56.420 Western civilization. And I think that that is possible for Ausatru as well. We've already shown

02:36:02.800 it. We don't want to destroy churches. If we buy a church, we turn it into a hoth, but we honor

02:36:11.420 all of the clergy that worked there before we honor the dead on the land. We don't defile or

02:36:19.580 spit on the graves or do any of that. That is a huge unification factor that we are doing in our

02:36:27.620 deeds. And unfortunately, the trepidation of people on the internet saying, oh, you know,

02:36:34.120 we're going to kill the pagans, et cetera, et cetera. I know that's coming from the Abrahamic 0.53

02:36:40.400 middle east muhammadin uh judean uh kind of that's their engine that's what they're 1.00

02:36:49.460 they're kind of going on it's unfortunate but we can also it's also coming from the adorners of 0.88

02:36:56.960 grandma's couches it's coming from the crusaders that find things to spiral about that's just not

02:37:05.240 real um the challenge is the real world and things are touch grass right so the other thing last

02:37:14.760 last question of the night and then i i'll leave you guys be and we'll call it evening um

02:37:20.680 when's mr flavel donning a sweet mustache so i don't do that my mustache and the rest of my beard

02:37:28.680 stay united um so i don't ever separate them out like that i don't really do the goatee thing

02:37:36.520 either i start growing a beard it's just a thing there's not some greater divine truth behind it

02:37:44.600 but i like to do it from equinox to equinox just because i get bored around that time and it works

02:37:51.720 out to where I can be shaved during the summer and I can grow the facial hair during the winter

02:37:57.800 and you know about the time spring comes around I'm like I want to get rid of this and and be

02:38:03.540 clean shaven again and you know in the fall I start you know man I miss my beard I wish I had

02:38:09.780 whatever and it's kind of the way I get the best of both worlds but you know I guess we're halfway

02:38:14.840 to that point a little bit over so i will be doing that here in september thank you guys

02:38:22.520 so much swan thank you for lending us your wisdom this evening thank you nick thanks as always for

02:38:30.200 all that you do audience you guys have been great we appreciate you guys i look forward to talking

02:38:36.520 to you uh if not before then a week from today when um folk builder chris savage joins us again

02:38:48.440 as we talk about the most ancient of our ancestors and the dawn of our folk so that's going to be a

02:38:56.040 good episode looking forward to it till then hail the isir of a folk of the afa and remember victory

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Asatru Folk Assembly - July 02, 2026

7⧸1⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 208 - Prose Edda： Gylfaginning, Part 12

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