00:07:55.200Um, other stuff before we start, I will be joining the good folk at Thorshoff, celebrating, uh, Sigurbloat here this coming week. So, uh, if you can make it there, that is in Linden, North Carolina.
00:08:13.940it's an amazing time i hope that you you know make it there whenever you can but i would love
00:08:20.900to have the opportunity to meet you if i haven't or to uh shake and give you a hug if i've already
00:08:26.020met you and celebrate victory with you so i will be there love to see you then um
00:08:35.780other news and notes i'm going to talk about our normal fundraising things that i
00:08:40.900you know mentioned to you guys first uh pavilion at siggerheim coming along nice uh
00:08:52.580we're almost a third of the way there towards that total that we're trying to raise again
00:08:58.740awesome we're looking forward to having it up and ready for i'm harry a bloke this year um
00:09:05.460but you guys have been very generous if you would like to help with any of these
00:09:09.700things donate you can donate at roomstone.org slash donate but um yeah so we're at what 28
00:09:20.500percent and change on that one also on our paying off phrase off which i'll remind you we just
00:09:27.860dedicated on the 6th of december 2025 we are already 45.3 paid off with that
00:09:36.260so uh thank you guys all for that i think if each afa member were to pony up 93 today that would be
00:09:44.580all the way paid off just as an idea of how to chunk it um other other things so this all right
00:09:52.740All right. People who are familiar with the program and have heard me on here, I have mentioned over and over and over again, and I'll do it again now. Get a will done. Don't care how old or how young you are.
00:10:08.680get your will done. You can get your will done at doyourownwill.com. That is legally binding
00:10:18.720and acceptable in all of the states, the United States of America, as well as some provinces in
00:10:26.420Canada. And I haven't checked. It may be completely valid for other places as well.
00:10:32.260Get one, get it done. It's very easy. It takes about five minutes. Take as long as you want if
00:10:37.120got a bunch of complicated things but it doesn't have to get it get originals signed and notarized
00:10:44.880and send a copy to our law speaker so that we can help advocate for you and your wishes
00:10:51.760in the circumstance that you might pass i've mentioned a lot of the time that afa members
00:10:58.160have neglected to do this when they find themselves at the end of their life and i've
00:11:04.240seen far too many that have not gotten what they wanted done so you may have uh you may recall
00:11:11.920not too long ago a member of ours melinda harris passed away and she was one of those many who had
00:11:20.800a terminal uh disease and she knew that her end was coming and she was not able to get one
00:11:28.960made in time but she expressed to us what she wanted done uh with her remains and you know
00:11:36.960with dealing with yeah basically with her remains and her final resting place um
00:11:45.440the tragedy of that was she never wrote it down anywhere she didn't have any document
00:11:49.760so kind of got into the system and had fairly distant relations with her with her family
00:12:00.560and so we thought for sure that that ship had sailed and that she was not going to get what
00:12:08.320she wanted the body was was taken by whoever stepped in in the county or whatever and put
00:12:16.400in the system and dealt with well it turns out last month we got a request to help with the cost
00:12:23.920of cremation for her and that opened up the conversation we would love to help take care
00:12:29.520of that cost but we would like to make sure that we honor her the way she wanted to be on
00:12:35.440and have her ashes brought to us and interred at odenshof cemetery so that was agreed upon
00:12:45.920and um that's what's gonna happen but we'd appreciate all of our afa family's help in
00:12:53.120making sure that uh one of our afa sisters gets what she wanted in uh her final resting place
00:13:02.400here in midgard so with that said we are raising some funds to take care of her cremation
00:13:09.280of the transport of her remains to Odenshof, and a simple urn. She will be provided a headstone
00:13:18.640by, she's a veteran, so the Department of Defense will get her squared away with
00:13:24.340the marker she's entitled to, and yeah, we will be able to enter her there with honor and love
00:13:34.000it opens off so any uh that's going to run us probably 2200 is what it looks like i know that
00:13:43.020sounds like a lot and it is but that's kind of going right we can check it out to make sure
00:13:47.660um if we're able to negotiate any of that down we will but if not that's what we're looking to
00:13:54.300raise you guys have already been very generous um but yeah if anybody is interested you can again
00:14:00.440donate at runestone.org slash donate um that's here it goes i see i see the difference there but
00:14:09.800donate will get to it and that's confusing so i didn't want to throw a different uh name
00:14:13.560for the website at the folks um i mean is that what you were coming at it was fun i'm sorry no
00:14:21.160i was absolutely going to let everyone know like yes the the cost of funerary um there was a brief
00:14:29.480stint where i was attempting to go into the mortuary services i did not it's one of the
00:14:36.040jobs i didn't do but i i did a heavy amount of research and um the uh cremation costs
00:14:45.240though lower than burial and casket um are you know again quite expensive if and i don't think
00:14:53.880a lot of people know it just because perhaps they haven't encountered that in their lifetime but
00:14:59.480i i wanted to bring up one point is that living ausitru and you're not if you're not sure on where
00:15:08.760to start holding bloat and giving gift to our heroes is one of the best ways to start and then
00:15:17.560of course ensuring your end of life process um ensuring the legalities of it those are
00:15:29.000two things that I think any beginning Alcintreur would want to consider doing immediately
00:15:36.660in order to get into the community. And speaking of, Gilbert, you are awesome. We appreciate you.
00:15:46.640Gilbert just donated $150 towards getting Melinda taken care of. So thank you.
00:15:53.120And for me, I will say, if you could do the math and look at the amount on the thermo, I messed up on the remaining. It's a typo. It's 1860 remaining, minus the 150 thanks to Gilbert.
00:16:10.260all right so don't don't mind nick's fake news um but no we appreciate that uh i should note
00:16:19.760for anybody who may not know maybe just joining us that is something really special with us
00:16:26.180having hoffs and you know sacred land of our own
00:16:29.960we are there to do womb blessings and asa botanies which is our baby naming ceremonies
00:16:41.120we do marriages we do funerals and we are able to uh inter the ashes of our loved ones
00:16:49.900in uh cemetery spaces at each of our hoffs every one of our hoffs is equipped and ready for that
00:22:28.360Feel free to follow along wherever you want to find it in whatever translation you like
00:22:32.960whatever works best for you, but Svahn and I will be working off of the translation presented at
00:22:40.000thelospow.org. Svahn, all yours. Yeah, I was gonna say too, I find the comparison of Rome to Greece
00:22:50.400very much how Ausatru of modern day to Iceland. It's not that others were discounted, but that
00:22:58.320the culmination of of philosophical knowledge in greece influenced the romans so greatly it's the
00:23:05.920same as our folk nation our folk religion is deeply influenced by that culmination of of all
00:23:15.840that knowledge um being the last bastion of worship we're not discounting the english or the
00:23:23.200germanic or um even the the migration period tribes but no one can go but so far before
00:23:33.280you end up back dropping into the language and the structure of our faith in the nordic context
00:23:41.600and i know that that kind of um does irk some people but the truth is still the truth um
00:23:49.200So I always find that, you know, when we see the Romans, how they lent into the Greeks, it is very much akin to the same concept.
00:24:00.420So we're doing the Skal de Skalparsmal, which literally means poet creation edicts or speech.
00:24:15.240So it's the creations of poetry, and this is more of a classified sense, but it is kept in a story format.
00:24:24.380And that's because the tradition of Germanic poetry, which we can also reverse assume or presume, I guess would be the better word, that the Germanics and the Anglo-Saxons and the migration period were also filled with this, but were not really remarked or marked down because we see these consistently over and over and over again.
00:24:54.380There are some people who try to discredit it and say that this is simply the complete construction of Snorri Stuttlarsson or Simon Durr, and the reality, they try to say, oh, you know, these Christian monks basically created.
00:25:12.480They're attempting to devalue, but the sheer pattern recognition of the way that Germanic poetry works and the volume of it, there was, I think, very little intrusion and a lot of simply getting it down.
00:25:33.860It was so important to Saimondur and to Snorri and to all of the students of their school of literary works.
00:25:43.600And it was not based entirely on religion, as even then, Icelanders were not particularly Christian.
00:25:50.960And that had always been a point of contention for the Catholic Church in Norway.
00:25:55.780But, um, so this is the edicts of the poet and it predominantly takes place in a very interesting
00:26:06.620setting. Uh, it is in the hall of Ayer, who is the Lord of the deep oceans. He is a yachting
00:26:19.080and for everyone. And I've said this numerous times and I will say it over and over and over
00:26:24.260And yes, there are many etymological sources that point towards certain deconstructive and consumptive points of the Yotin.0.73
00:26:35.420But the biggest thing for anybody who's new to Ausitru, when you hear the word Yotin, you should simply think ancient being.
00:26:44.020They're not a different race of people in a sense.
00:26:49.040No, they're an ancient being that preceded the Aesir in their construction, and it preceded their formulation, their desires.
00:27:01.020Lord Odin, of course, comes from Jotun descent, though not of Ymir.0.57
00:27:08.300He comes from the Jotuns of Nibelheim, the primordial ancient beings.
00:27:13.800and I like to dispel a lot of that confusion
00:27:17.760because I think people try to weaponize that
00:32:25.400He dwelt on the island, which is now known as Hler's Isle, and was deeply versed in black magic.
00:32:34.660So right out the gate, it's worth noting that this is a euhemerization.
00:32:39.900This is based off of the Greek philosopher Euhemaris, who believed that the stories of the gods of old were humans.
00:32:51.820I think that this was done to minimize, but also correlate since the new religion that was coming in was based off of a mortal living in the Levant and was based around mortal people who were subjected to Rome, etc.
00:33:10.840So there needed to be kind of this wrangling down.
00:33:15.840When you hear things like this, though, the biggest point I would say for everyone is the black magic part is referencing to a wildness and a danger that is present.
00:33:33.440The Jotuns are always seen in that sense, and he is brought into the knowledge of the gods, but it's with an air of warning, even though this is euhemorized into more mortal frameworks.0.96
00:33:54.500So, he is deeply versed in black magic.0.97
00:36:52.900And in like that manner, the Ausenir, Frick, Freya, Kevion, Idun, Gerdur, Sikion, Fudla, Nanna.
00:37:10.260It seemed glorious to Ayer to look about him in this hall.
00:37:15.660The wainscoting there were all hung with fair shields.
00:37:21.120There was also stinging mead, copiously quaffed.
00:37:27.740The man seated next to Ayr was Bragi, and they took part together in drinking and converse.
00:37:36.420Bragi told Ayr of many things which had come to pass amongst the Aesir.
00:37:42.700So, one, it's a very beautiful setting of what I think many Ausatruer who have been to Sambal would immediately recognize.
00:37:54.380The other point is that the 12 that are mentioned here are not a copy of the 12 mentioned in the Gilvagining, but that it is worth noting that the ultimate indicator of the Aesir unto themselves is their judgment seats at the well.
00:38:18.540and in this time this is before the kin slaying that is committed by loki um so it just kind of
00:38:28.440gives you more of a time reference in a way um but i don't think that people should get caught
00:38:34.960up on oh it's not following the exact no the this is the the case for the the the party in a way you
00:38:42.580could look at it as not everyone was able to be there or you know and there is other people there
00:38:48.040that perhaps, you know, were destined to fall out of grace from the gods, but at this moment,
00:38:56.300they're there. So, this is Bragi, and he begins to speak. He speaks of a story. Now, why is this
00:39:07.500being done? It's because the ultimate purpose of this whole corpus of lore is to teach about
00:39:16.500poems and poetic structure to new poets. We spoke about that during the Snorri Stutlarsson
00:39:26.200episode, where Snorri was, in essence, angling for the return of the skald in Norwegian
00:39:36.720courts. And he was angling that there would be a time in which Icelanders would be a fixture in a
00:39:49.520court in the Nordic lands, and they should know all of the ancient stories of their ancestors.
00:39:58.240And I think the reason why a lot of this didn't come to pass, other than the politics of the age,
00:40:04.040was also to the threat that this yearning towards pre-Christian ancestry posed to the church
00:40:17.980and to the political systems at the time.
00:40:21.300Before we go forward, because we're at kind of a break,
00:41:44.260He began the story at the point where three of the Aesir, Odin and Loki and Hyonur, departed from home and were wandering over the mountains and the wastes.0.96
00:42:01.300But when they came down to a certain dale, they saw a herd of oxen.
00:42:06.940They took one ox and set about cooking it.
00:42:10.980Now, when they thought it must be cooked, they broke up the fire, and it was not cooked.
00:42:18.760After a while had passed, they having scattered the fire a second time, it still was not cooked.
00:42:26.940Then they took counsel together, asking each other what it might mean.
00:42:31.940When they heard a voice speaking in the oak tree up above them, declaring that he who sat there confessed he had caused the lack of virtue in the fire.
00:42:46.920So through magic, a Jotun is in the form of an eagle, and he says that the reason why the meat is not cooking is because of him, presumably because he has control, and that the gods are in Jotunheim at this time.
00:43:05.760And this kind of goes along with the cosmology of our ancestors, seeing the gods on Himenpjarkar, on the mountains of heaven, and they walk down and they pass over rivers, and they either go into the land of men or they go into the land of the ancient ones, the Jotans.0.95
00:43:27.620And so, in this case, that is. And this is, of course, another interesting point is the traveling of Lord Odin and Loki. But we see this happen throughout our story. So, there's these pairings. And there is significance, but we'll go with the story as it is.
00:43:50.120We'll also take a moment to thank Stephen in Japan for his donation of $15 towards helping take care of Melinda.
00:43:59.700Thank you for that, Stephen. We always appreciate your donations on the program. Carry on.
00:44:07.220So he said that he was the one blocking the virtue of the fire and stemming its energy away from this meat.
00:44:17.240Then the eagle said, If ye are willing to give me my fill of the ox, then it will cook in the fire.
00:46:07.740nor for that time are any more things reported
00:46:11.460concerning this journey until they had come home.
00:46:16.040So now we set the motive and the plot of,
00:46:21.580or the instigation of the entire story.
00:46:24.840As he is drug across the heaths, he can't be let go.
00:46:30.020And the true goal of the eagle, Jotun, is to find the very heart of the gods, the very source of their life and continuance, and have her be lulled out of heaven so that he may take her.
00:46:53.700So, when he returns, that deed or that deal is not mentioned, and he has to carry that with him until they get back.
00:47:04.520So, at the appointed time, Loki then lured Idun out of Ausgard into a certain wood, saying that he had found such apples that would seem to her a great virtue, and prayed that she would have her apples with her.
00:47:49.960in a format that is very akin to most European stories, slightly euhemorized and easily
00:48:00.660attached into the audience's mind. This is, so much is going on that can simply be understood.
00:48:12.200Now, is there more in a cosmic level? Is there the sense that, of course, Edun is the bearer of the golden apples? There is always the linchpin of all of the gods of the Aryan faiths having a sustenance that they eat from, like humans eat food from the land around them.
00:48:37.080the holy gods do take in and it is gold or and light it is the apples um and a lot of folks don't
00:48:46.180realize uh like when they hear the name even they immediately think that there might be some
00:48:51.640connection with eden in the bible um but there are no apples ever mentioned in the bible it's
00:48:58.760it's mentioned as a fruit and it was probably a pomegranate considering the locale being um
00:49:06.700babylon or iraq as kind of the the backdrop of the story um but even those stories take
00:49:15.560on these kind of mythical times if you will and so now we have the setup that he is taking
01:02:54.780yeah i would i would encourage any uh icelander who um is aware of the sacredness of what it means
01:03:06.860to be icelandic in iceland um and and please folks bear in mind too and we joke about it but uh i am
01:03:14.780i i'm very much american i you know my family calls me the american uncle um the ameriki and um
01:03:24.780But, you know, I would encourage folks in Scandinavia who are definitely working in a different environment where there can be a lot of pressure.
01:03:38.060But, you know, you are free to do these things and you can gather and gather other folks and actually honor the gods.
01:03:48.820um because as you said elsewhere go the a lot of the folks that are doing this are kind of doing
01:03:54.340this in this larping uh framework and that only hurts us in the long run as we often will be
01:04:03.780associated with those people but those those people uh you know practicing some uh during
01:04:11.620in a magic form or it's just a kind of traipsing through tradition um and it really started i
01:04:22.260noticed when um i spoke to uh jorman gringy or uh jorman der ingy uh who was the uh leader of their
01:04:34.900um last legitimate i was here to go with you of the ostrich right uh and he spoke about
01:04:44.420the fact that they were going to put a fee thought or a um a four-armed or four-footed
01:04:51.060which is a uh swastika a very sacred symbol throughout all
01:04:56.500of the european peoples not just the nords not just the germanics and um they ended up
01:05:03.940getting shut down by the local government because of it they were going to put a large stone
01:05:11.680fee fought on the side of the hill and that was kind of my first indication of of what they were
01:05:20.680up against and again they didn't seem to have the gumption of fighting and then over time i think a
01:05:32.960lot of the modernist pagan uh kind of swooping underneath or not taking a stand or or just
01:05:43.820outright admitting that they're they're only doing this as some sort of um uh hobby and i think
01:05:52.080there's a lot of iceland there's a lot of scandinavians who who think that uh if you know
01:05:56.600if you are religious that you are somehow less intelligent um and unfortunately a lot of
01:06:04.600scandinavians have this sense of being they don't want to come off as being uh ignorant or according0.74
01:06:14.200to whatever classification of intelligence they have and that includes just yeah we're doing this
01:06:19.000for the hobby we're doing it for the culture but i mean in reality you know we're we're just normal
01:06:25.580folks like anybody else who's smart and intelligent and they just kind of like reconfirm
01:06:33.020their own biases um and it it's sad to see um i would encourage any icelanders out there
01:06:42.800you may have one or two of you but get together um and hold bloat and join the
01:06:53.560true folk assembly and then make yourself known and uh know now in these times as as uh expression
01:07:02.540of religion and expression of speech are so important um that you know you it's incumbent
01:07:11.140upon our folk to to step out there and start representing um our heritage and our gods but
01:07:18.760right now the the organized version is led and permeated with not that
01:07:27.560so you know how you you know how you tell how not American somebody is
01:07:34.100is when they tell you that their family has to call them the American
01:07:37.780my family's never called me the American
01:11:16.220It may have been all three of those things.
01:11:22.360If you're in Reykjavik or Oslofjord or, you know, Ladby, you know, at the same time, the same language, our pronunciation here in Tennessee, where Svon is in Virginia, where, you know, our folk builder Ron is up in New Hampshire are real different.
01:11:48.520and it's clearly the same language and i think that in a time where people are further
01:11:54.600distance was a much further issue i think there's probably plenty of dialects
01:12:00.360or accents um i mean it's true yeah given the filipino islands every uh landing spot on the
01:12:10.360islands has a different version of the same language that is tagalog you know and looking
01:12:16.840at germany and looking at many places in europe that was the case based solely on going over a
01:12:23.720mountain um so and this is something we go over a lot but it clearly needs to be continued to go
01:12:34.280over a lot and that's fine um i appreciate that we've got you know we have new people that listen
01:12:41.800to the show all of the time and it's always good for us to remember that so are the norse
01:12:46.680and slavic gods the same beings or actually different gods uh perun and thor uh have a lot
01:12:54.840of similarities um and this follows on with um the follow or the next question by a different
01:13:02.920questioner but still how does the afa even rationalize other gods from other peoples
01:13:08.200are they considered the same or are they different and sovereign like hard polytheism and stuff so
01:13:15.400hard polytheism absolutely when we compare caucasoid gods versus mongoloid gods and negroid
01:13:26.040gods then sure they're completely different beings with completely different sovereignty0.75
01:13:34.200and dominion and agency in their own things um when we compare white people gods0.87
01:21:43.140And they were sanctifying these both gods and people or legendary people
01:21:52.120because they were trying to change their fellow countrymen.
01:21:58.680It's more subtle, but also more nefarious in this way.
01:22:04.480There were other places where Christianity has spread where, you know, this is of the pagan religion of before and we don't take this.
01:22:15.300But when it was the Europeans amongst the Europeans, Christianity took a much more all-encompassing fluid sense, and they absorbed many of the Greek, the Roman, and the Germanic gods.
01:22:36.860And a lot of people don't realize the Slavic religion was deeply euhemorized, but then most of what people read and study now is actually a deconstruction of that euhemorization.
01:22:52.160But it was, I think, even far worse than for the Irish.0.96
01:22:57.200So, yes, it was all over all the folk.0.91
01:23:00.180And that's predominantly because the Christians that were pushing their religion amongst the folk, they were of the folk.
01:23:27.860From that moment on, there was a new point of instead of trying to convert the Levant and convince them that the rabbi Yeshua is the Mashiach, no, we're going to go into the Greeks and the Romans.0.98
01:23:46.000And that's why you get the Last Supper looking like a Bacchanalia.0.77
01:23:50.360That's why you have the Rabbi Yeshua being born in a manger in relation to Bacchus is because at that time they were trying to convert the Greeks.0.75
01:24:00.520And then just every step they took forward, they didn't want to use the underworld or the punishment Gehenna in the Aramaic.0.56
01:24:10.720So they said Hades. And then by the time it got to the Germanic lands, they used hell and took her name as convenient for their placement.
01:24:23.360we see it the morphology of it changing everywhere and if you go further further back you just have0.80
01:24:30.300to dig under the surface but a little bit and you realize that christianity is very semitic
01:24:36.440very foreign not of european root and um it pains me that a lot of people don't see that
01:24:44.860and again it's not i'm not weaponizing this in some way it it is clearly case it's the truth
01:24:55.180and right as uh as as those hebrews would say the truth shall set you free um
01:25:06.060so ron boardman donated 150 to uh help take care of melinda we appreciate that
01:25:13.020and with the message attached jill an apprentice folk builder down in pennsylvania was into england
01:25:19.740and generously treated a number of us to dinner the other night she accepted a return gift in the
01:25:25.660form of a donation to the austral folk assembly here is that gift for a gift what we do on midgard
01:25:32.220echoes through eternity and let those beyond the veil not think we've forgotten them we haven't
01:25:38.220please accept this in the name of goodwill and frith between the afa members memory of melinda
01:25:46.220and thank you ron and thank you jill for your initial generous gesture on that ron and jill
01:25:55.020are both folk builders ron being up in new hampshire jill in pennsylvania and they are both
01:26:01.420doing a fantastic job for us much appreciated guys uh next up hey matt could you talk about
01:26:08.780the hierarchy of the afa a bit like explaining folk builders and other titles in the afa
01:39:58.820Then the Aesir were near at hand, and they slew Theazi, the giant, within the gates of the Aesir.0.95
01:40:07.540And that slaying is exceedingly famous. So again, I think a lot of people when they read, they don't think about what these stories are in relation to the time. These are the entertainment of our folk.
01:40:26.620So the usage of language to encourage imagination, our folk sitting in the hall, listening, seeing this, it is the movie in their head.
01:40:42.240And this large, foreboding, eagle-clad wizard is chasing Loki, who has the walnut in his claws, and they light the outer walls on fire so that he is singed at just the right time and falls to the ground, and then they rush upon him and slay him.
01:41:12.240Now, Skadi, the daughter of this Jotun, Tiazi, took upon her helm and her berni, her chainmail shirt, and all of her weapons of war, and proceeded then to Ausgar to avenge her father.
01:41:31.240The Aesir, however, offered her reconciliation and atonement.0.77
01:41:35.920The first article was that she should choose for herself a husband amongst the Aesir and choose by their feet alone, seeing no more of him.
01:41:48.600Then she saw the feet of one man, passing and fair.0.59
01:41:52.800I choose this one, for surely it is balder, and little can be loathly, little can be disgusting of his feet.
01:42:00.440But that was not Baldr, it was Njardr of Novatn, the god of the sea, the god of the rivers.
01:42:11.060And she had this article also in her bond of reconciliation that the Aesir must do a thing she thought they would not be able to accomplish.0.68
01:42:23.040She said that they had to make her laugh.
01:42:28.020He tied a cord to the beard of a goat, the other end being about his own genitals, and each gave way in turn to a tug of war, each screeching loudly.
01:42:43.160Then Loki let himself fall into Skadi's knees, and she laughed, and thereupon the reconciliation was made with her on the part of the Aesir.
01:42:53.700bear in mind too this is condensed this is written separately so another thing that was
01:43:00.380not mentioned was the fact that there is the astrological stars most likely castor and pollux
01:43:10.860who our ancestors probably called thiazi's eyes they are thrown into heaven this is all part of
01:43:18.440story and also the other part that's kind of not focused on here is um it's it the story is built
01:43:27.640on okay i want to wed one of the icier and the gods gathered a council and they say yes you can
01:43:35.640do it but you have to do it by only looking at their feet and then finally there's the okay fine
01:43:44.680But you have to make me laugh. And then, of course, there's the absurd tug of war between the goat beard and the cordage to Loki.
01:43:59.800And I think this really does reflect perhaps the court fool, the jester, that there were comedic acts that were part of courtly life.0.81
01:44:15.320And this was certainly a reflection of that. And again, the fun fact of this is that the cordage, that Skavi keeps the cordage.0.78
01:44:34.520And in a way, there's this symbolic nature of the self-castration of Loki, this kind of binding of his masculinity in order to make himself a fool, in order to prostrate himself before the interloper is there.
01:44:56.300there's some deep symbolic meaning in that um and i i it's it's important i think for people to
01:45:05.280understand that when we read these stories this is not like reading um a historical text that
01:45:11.760claims to be complete and an absolute truth you know these are layered effects of understanding
01:45:19.020But ultimately, what should be understood is that Skadi, who is a Yotan of the Middle Realm, goes to the Heavenly Realm to avenge her father and is, through trials, brought into alignment with the gods.
01:45:42.960And that is not the only time that Skadi and Loki have a comparison in relation to the binding and or ultimately the no laughing matter binding and poisoning of the snake over Loki's face.
01:46:02.640but there is this deep connection and both of them are of the middle world both of them are
01:46:09.560of the material and of the the central and are interconnected with the gods of heavenly order
01:46:18.160and i don't think that that's accidental either
01:46:20.420do you want me to uh keep going section four is pretty small yes please
01:46:31.220oh and it does kind of extend to with uh more about the ozzy so uh for about the ozzy's line
01:46:39.660it is so said that ovin did this by way of atonement to skadi he took oh there we go
01:46:47.040see again uh remembering things um uh i've got a lot of folks might not know this but like we're
01:46:56.040i'm not reading from a script or we're not going over things ahead of time a lot of this is coming
01:47:01.480straight from our our heads and our knowledge of of the years we've been doing this but things get
01:47:08.360orders get mixed up so the aussie's also an interesting side note so it's cool because
01:47:17.880there's portions of the lore that we are in all of the time reading and there's portions that we
01:47:24.840read less and when you go over the same material a certain number of times a lot of things run
01:47:33.880together because you become very familiar with the holistic arc of it as opposed to like where
01:47:39.800each piece of it is so it's really beneficial and good for swan and i to get to go through
01:47:47.000not only reading this but reading it and going through it aloud seeing where people have questions
01:47:53.160or what is of interest to folks it helps us to um
01:48:02.120mine the lore for entirely different information than maybe we pulled out of it
01:48:08.040you know the first time or the second time or the 35th time we've read it it's
01:48:15.400special to read it in this kind of different light with each other and with you guys because
01:48:20.120we do notice different things that we didn't pick up on or didn't stand out in the same way
01:48:25.560uh last time we went over it yeah 100 and and and this is uh like for folks who might be like why
01:48:33.320should i be you know interested in some of this like here is a perfect example of the celestial
01:48:40.600star mapping of our our nordic ancestors who were astoundingly good seafarer uh seafarers
01:48:49.000And we know that it existed, but so little of it survived because it wasn't focused on in courtly matters.
01:48:58.860So, you know, we have these speculations that Fiazi's eyes may very well have been the same as Castor and Pollux amongst the Mediterranean.
01:49:10.740And we have Arvindil's Toe, which is another great story about Lord Thor carrying someone and his toe being thrown into the sky. And we, you know, speculate that that could be the dog star.
01:49:29.620And there are so much. There's a really great source for folks if they are interested in reading Nigel Pennick.
01:49:37.620Nigel Pennick has done some correlations between Germanic lore and astrology and or just astronomy in general, which I find just absolutely fascinating.
01:49:54.620fascinating unfortunately you know we are just putting those pieces together so excuse me um
01:50:02.460yeah so uh fiaz's line it is so said that ovin did this in a way of atonement
01:50:10.220to scabby feeling uh bad or feeling not wanting her to seek any more aggression towards the gods
01:53:41.020um let's all right let's keep going in that case okay yeah this is uh uh kind of lends to itself
01:53:57.340because that now we're we're talking about a new gift of speech a new point but this uh gift comes
01:54:04.760from the mouths of the gods and um we speak of the origin of the mead of sutungur now this is
01:54:17.320the story of kwasir the first creation of the gods that walks amongst men and ultimately ends
01:54:25.240up being inspiration and the divine nature of speech and poetry so then said ayer whence did
01:54:36.920this art which ye call posy derive its beginnings pragy answered these were the beginnings thereof
01:54:47.800the gods had a great dispute with the folk which they called the vanir and they appointed a peace
01:54:57.640meeting between them and they established peace in this way they each went to a vat and with a
01:55:05.000they spat spittle therein then at the parting the gods took that peace token and would not let it
01:55:12.360perish, but shaped thereof in the form of a man. And this man is called Kvasir. And he was so wise
01:55:22.160that none could question him in concerning anything, but that he knew the solution. He went
01:55:28.160up and down the earth to give instruction to men. And when he came upon the invitation of the abode
01:55:35.200of a certain dwarves, Fjallar and Gallar. They called him into privy converse with them and
01:55:43.880they murdered him, letting his blood run into the vats and a kettle. The kettle, his name is
01:55:51.120Ordreor, the stirrer of inspiration, and the vats, Son and Bodn. They blended honey with his blood
01:56:02.460and the outcome was that of the mead by virtue of which he who drinks it becomes a scald or a scholar
01:56:11.420the dwarves reported to ice to the icier that classier had choked on his own shrewdness
01:56:18.700since there was none so wise there as to be able to question his wisdom
01:56:23.820Um, so the, the story of Kvassia, a couple of things worth mentioning is, uh, I don't know,
01:56:34.260there might be some Slavic folks out there and, uh, that are listening. Um, and there is a,
01:56:40.780the, the drink called Kvatch, uh, which is a malt drink. Um, and this has origins,
01:56:47.800back to the fermentation through mastication of certain things where the active yeast in the mouth
01:56:59.700started the fermentation process. So this goes very far back. And just by lending to the
01:57:08.300understanding of this, this is, and so his name, the first storyteller being Kwasir,
01:57:14.260This kind of brew started from the mouths of the gods themselves is really more of the important part of this.
01:57:25.440And as they, the mouth is so important, the speech so important, that when they give forth together, they create this, the drink that is formed into Kvasir.
01:57:42.640And he then descends from the heavenly realms and walks among the folk and he clears their
01:57:53.360And I am always of the belief that he is the first storyteller, that the first words that
01:58:03.360come from the gods to the folk after the unification of the gods of natural order and the gods
01:58:10.960natural law and cosmic order is from the mouth of Kvasir. And that wisdom reflects in that.
01:58:19.600And eventually, since he is now in the middle world, he is down from the heavenly mountains,
01:58:27.240he is seduced by Svart Alvar, or swarthy elves. And we spoke about elves. Alvar is a broad
01:58:40.140title just like the word in English like monster that they're not correlated but what I mean is is
01:58:46.260that to say monster does not specify anything and the word Alvar is very much the same way
01:58:54.400but that the first word is always the most important so Svar Alvar is it's a being that is
01:59:01.740synthesized with swarthiness or grit or the earth, the dirt. And they are beings of the earth and of
01:59:12.880energy and of the land. And they are very connected in that sense. They're very connected to the
01:59:22.780physical realm. And they are always seen as being very, very capricious. They do bring forth great
01:59:30.680creations but they are never of a character that is elevated so they are worldly in their way
01:59:41.000they are not like folk who are able to know and uh attain and try to seek the horizon and the
01:59:52.360upward and they're not of the gods who are of the the spiritual nature of the universe they're very
02:00:00.200very material. And I am also of the belief that they do show up still today in many people's
02:00:06.340houses. We just call them poltergeists or, you know, noisy or active ghosts, but anything that
02:00:13.620moves physical objects, it's generally them and they are malicious. They've always been seen as
02:00:19.920malicious um and so in this case you know the he gets called to them and in his naivety he goes
02:00:30.900there and they of course say oh yeah he came to our feast and he choked on his his own grandiose
02:00:39.820wisdom so that's clearly a biting insult again another sign of just that maliciousness that
02:00:46.320comes from these beings that are so innately physical, they cannot escape into higher realms
02:00:55.220of thinking and being. So it's just, it fits the bill completely. So they send word and
02:01:05.900But the dwarves have the vats of poetry and inspiration. His blood is mixed with honey.
02:01:19.700And again, because you see the Kvatch or the, there is the, the evolution of a, I would say like a Stone Age alcohol into a Bronze Age and Iron Age alcohol.
02:01:37.840So there's kind of an evolution that, that is there.0.89
02:01:41.700um but they now have this and it comes from the mouths of the gods so it's not just meat it's not
02:01:52.780just this malted liquor it it's it's beyond that's far more magical and uh and they they
02:02:00.640hoard this treasure but they begin to make mistakes and let the word out so these dwarves
02:02:08.120then invited the Jotuns, a Jotun who is called Gillinger, to visit them and his wife with him.
02:02:19.220So, or the golden one, or the shining kind of goldish one. Next, the dwarves invited Gillinger0.75
02:02:30.120to row out upon the sea with them, but when they had gone out from the land, the dwarves rowed
02:02:37.060into the breakers and purposely capsized the boat. Gilingr was unable to swim, and he perished.
02:02:45.760But the dwarves then righted the boat and rowed to land. They reported the accident to his wife,
02:02:52.760but she took it grievously and wept aloud. Then Fjallar, one of the Svartalves, asked her whether
02:03:01.520it would ease her heart if she could look upon the sea at the spot upon where he perished and
02:03:07.760she did desire to do this and then he spoke softly to galar his brother beating him to go over the
02:03:14.720doorway and that when she would go out take a millstone and fall it upon her head so now we
02:03:21.460have these these murderous conniving uh figures that the the smart elf are always seen in this
02:03:30.140light as a kind of malicious and um obviously with the you hammerization there's a deep connection
02:03:40.160and kind of a darker side to looking at this story is that a lot of these um formats uh you know this
02:03:49.300is seen as nefarious this is seen as bad you go and you fight someone uh and they're defending
02:03:58.000their village you go to fight they fight and die this is honorable but ambushing people purposely
02:04:05.040capsizing doing up this is nefarious and this is unseemly or uh you know unseemly and germanic
02:04:13.360would be kind of the same as was like seeing as like sinful or just evil and um
02:04:21.200as she goes out to see him they drop the stone upon her head
02:04:28.000saying that her weeping grew so wearisome to them, and even so he did.
02:04:35.480Now when the giant Suttunger, who is Gillinger's son, learned of this,
02:04:43.020he went over and took the dwarves and carried them out to sea,
02:04:47.180and set them on a reef which was covered at high tide.
02:04:51.440They besought Suttunger to grant them respite for their lives,
02:04:55.580and as a price of the reconciliation, offered him the precious mead in satisfaction for his father's death.
02:05:03.460And that became a means of reconciliation between them.
02:05:07.940Sotongar carried the mead home, and he placed it in a secret place called Nitpyark,
02:05:15.440placing his daughter Gunnloth, her name means battle song, there to watch over the mead.0.60
02:05:27.120Because of this, we call posy or poetry Kvasir's blood or the dwarves drink or fill the filling
02:05:38.920or any kind of liquid of odrior or boden or son or the fairy boat of the dwarves since this mead0.81
02:05:49.020brought them life ransom from the wreath of suttingur's mead or the liquor of mithbyark.
02:05:57.400So that last part in particular is in essence telling the poet who's reading the stories.
02:06:05.040If you ever use Kennings for poetry, you can say, you know, that he was, his beard was drenched in the dwarves drink as he spit his fill of the, the, the dwarves fairy.
02:06:27.900all of that is just re-emphasizing that he is speaking poetry of high renown it's the blood
02:06:35.260of classir um and that's ultimately to another layer of what this what's being said in the story
02:06:42.300in this poem and the final part then ayur asked or then ayur said these seem to me dark sayings
02:06:52.540to call posy by these names but how did ye isir come to attaining back sutungur's mead
02:07:04.220and now we go into the dynamic lord and his ability to attain and there are so many deep
02:07:13.660deep Indo-European, Aryan points of the attainment of the sacred mead. And
02:07:21.960this story just goes back so far. And the idea of the gods and of mortals in the stories of our
02:07:37.040ancient ancestors, tricking and attaining knowledge has been with us, you know, even to
02:07:45.720the, to, to today with the, uh, the, the blues or the Irish, uh, songs about tricking the devil.
02:07:54.260These are some of the oldest, um, paradigms that go back farther than Christianity. It's,
02:08:03.700it's deeply um part of the folk so it begins the the processes of gaining the mead of poetry or
02:08:13.180posy or poetry in and of itself the word rhyming uh magic from battle song so the the names have
02:08:23.520meaning it's it's this is all just where does poetry come from and if you are a poet and you
02:08:30.760are reading these then and you are inspired by the blood of classier these are all the names you can
02:08:37.960use to reinforce your word magic upon the world through poetry so we have a um we have an outpouring
02:08:59.160of questions uh now to go and work our way through i think the proper word is buttload
02:15:56.040and often doing things in the world, the processes of life, perhaps photosynthesis, etc.
02:16:07.940And that would then correlate as to why Lord Frey, the fruitful Lord, is the Lord of the light elves
02:16:14.220and that his return and coming into the world hearkens life and fruitfulness.
02:16:21.220fruitfulness. And we can kind of see these patterns as we look at them. But Alvar is
02:16:27.440a broad titled term. And I bring up the word monsters because it's the first thing that I
02:16:34.960think of in relation to like, if a foreigner from Japan came here and asked, what is a monster?
02:16:45.000It's like, well, it could be a lot of things. And that was the same usage of the word Alvar.
02:16:50.620What is an Alvar? Well, there can be a lot of things. It's just a broad kind of term for not quite a god and not quite a human. It's a thing of great power, but it's in between. Or it was once a human, but now is beyond that.
02:17:13.820Yeah, it's poetically, alf often means spirit, like generally, you know, Santa Claus is,
02:17:36.160you know you will elf they've got stuff things are described
02:17:45.340with elf often when they're just spirits of a thing the intensity of the brightness though
02:17:54.800i think is very interesting and i think there are radiant spiritual beings that get conflated
02:22:53.380wait is that part of the question is that at the end there no that i added that last
02:23:00.840well i i know i know that that term i believe comes from one of the uh shakespearean plays but
02:23:13.880this kind of uh is an interesting point there there's some synthesization of christianity and
02:23:21.320um the hellenics here that we see we were talking about where these things are kind of
02:23:27.160um coming from there's the um uh i forgot his name and he said that the face or the visage
02:23:39.440is the picture of the soul and um i know this because there's a gentleman that i i look into
02:23:47.380he talks about how the personality is in the structure of the face um really interesting
02:23:53.040stuff i don't know if i fully believe it but i just find it interesting um and there's also
02:23:58.000a biblical quote somewhere about the eyes being kind of uh if they're full of light or
02:24:05.760light then your soul is full of light and if they're darkened then your soul is darkened
02:24:11.200but the usage of this is built around the eye the loss of the eye the gaining uh obviously lord
02:24:21.760Odin removing his eye. And I've heard a lot of people talk about the right eye, the left eye,
02:24:29.540and what those might mean, solar, lunar, masculine, feminine. And I think all of that
02:24:35.940is really fascinating. And I'm not actually shooting any of it down. But what it does show
02:24:43.760is a deep and powerful truth towards our ancestors and the usage or understanding of the eyes and0.88
02:24:57.580even down to the evil eye, which is across the world, but heavily concentrated in the Middle
02:25:09.060East and in Europe as a concept of, you know, if someone was to give you the evil eye, I mean,
02:25:14.480it has potency just as much as word and poetry. I think it's a generationally developed concept
02:25:26.140that comes from magic that is built on
02:25:31.580uh building blocks there is magic built on the building blocks of sound and speech
02:25:39.120there is magic on the uh building blocks of deed and action and there is magic built on the
02:25:46.280building blocks of sight and attainment and or cursing of the things that your visage
02:25:53.220sometimes it was seen as bad if uh if someone was uh being uh wrongfully killed and they're
02:26:01.440and their eyes uh were cast upon you it would it would somehow curse you um this is all just again
02:26:10.080in correlation to more of a part of the soul that we call mayan or might megan sometimes it's referred
02:26:19.600to uh might it is might so the projection of might into the world the speech might through poetry
02:26:28.400and word the deed might through uh physical prowess and the ability to affect the world
02:26:35.680around you and implement your will and then there is the much more subtle and uh kind of
02:26:43.200fear inducing because it's so subtle is the projection of might through the eyes and we
02:26:50.000see this in the statues with lord thor lord thor is often seen with the large eyes of rage and the
02:26:58.400the, the roaring mouth. And so I think ultimately all of that boils down to a projection of,
02:27:07.360of Mayan, uh, into the world and that our ancestors did see many different modes with
02:27:17.960different forms of power, um, that they could ultimately affect the world around them.
02:27:26.160And these are focal points of will that every day when we wake up, we have the ability to do deed, to speak word, and to ultimately look out and see the horizon, see our future destination.
02:27:42.720It's something that most scientists believe is completely unique to humans, is that we can project ourselves in a third-person format into a world that we've never, or a situation that we've never been in, and that most animals, obviously, because we don't understand the communication model, it is generally seen by their actions that they work through instinct of the blood and
02:28:12.720repetition, the things that they are taught by their forebears. So I find that these three modes
02:28:21.920of implication are a manifestation of might and will, which is deeply connected in the Germanic
02:28:28.420soul and is why in our language we have past and present, but everything in the future is will.
02:28:35.780You know, we ran, run, and then we will run. There's always the key component. And there is no mistake that the third facet and brother of Lord Ovin, who is the Lord of dynamic, the dynamic tripartite within the tripartite is willy, will, willpower, the manifestation of will.
02:29:03.160And all of weird or all of Orla in its greatest sense is a culmination of all of that will moving forward like a wave.
02:29:16.000And we can implement our will into the world, but there are things that we are going to have to weather.
02:29:22.860And that is a buildup of all of the will of individual people and also to the gods.
02:29:31.180If the gods are making ripples in the well and they are influencing things beyond our scope of understanding, if Lord Thor is implementing his will into the well of earth and that manifests as a storm, obviously we have to weather that.
02:29:50.100And the gods don't promise us this falsehood that we are going to avoid. Instead, it is this conflict of will, of all things, all these forces that makes our faith so potent and glorious.
02:30:10.940Yes. I hope that was a good answer. I mean, I hope that was a good answer for covering all of that, I guess.
02:30:26.920It's all good. Is the Sanatana Dharma concept of Svarga or Swarga close to the concept of heaven in Ausatru?
02:30:40.940to my understanding yes aside from the um aside from the reincarnation bit like the trend like the
02:30:51.580it being a holding area until a reincarnation period aside from that i think that it's
02:30:58.780um very similar in my understanding but i don't claim to be an expert and when you deal with
02:31:05.820hindu and buddhist terms different schools of those things interpret them really differently
02:31:12.220i'm not sure what unique take uh sanata that dharma might have on that swan do you have stuff
02:31:23.140to add yeah uh the pathway of light um and i'm kind of go gonna go off in a weird excuse me
02:31:32.380actually no not that's correct a very weird full direction um so one of the things i found
02:31:40.860interesting is that the pathway of light or is is a heaven amongst heavens we see this also
02:31:47.740in our faith with the speaking of say like gimle um there are the and then there is the the wind
02:31:55.180outer heaven. This concept of the upper realm being compartmentalized in usage and position
02:32:04.620and time, I think is very Aryan throughout and that the Araya of India are no different.0.99
02:32:15.400I also think that when we look at our faith, we don't often see these patterns, but I encourage0.89
02:32:23.400people too. I don't think that it is a mistake that the Lord that stands at the threshold between
02:32:30.800heaven and the earth, who can see and mark time in an earthly fashion, is also the source of
02:32:38.900the prismatic beam, the shimmering bridge that allows access into heaven.
02:32:46.980knowing now as what we do know about prisms and about light and the connectivity between light
02:32:56.600and the holy gods doesn't just stay singularly all of the Isir have deep connections to light
02:33:06.680even Lord Odin who is generally seen as dark and foreboding and again filled with doom
02:33:15.260And that would happen considering that a lot of the functionality that we culturally view him as is as a psychopomp or a traverser between the realms of that, which we don't know.
02:33:28.780But glad time and the shining nature of of of drop near and gold.
02:33:36.080And then there's Holy Freyr and his connection to life.
02:33:41.640And Lord Baldur and all of the gods, Idun and the apples, the golden apples, the golden hair of Freyja.
02:33:52.360Life is a heavy focus on the holy gods.
02:33:57.440And I, again, just don't find it to be simply coincidence that the threshold between heaven and the earth shines forth a prismatic beam of this heavenly light being formulated into the world.
02:34:15.240Now, a lot of people could say, oh, well, that's not in the lore, Svan.
02:34:21.400But again, mythos is painting a picture with words.
02:34:25.560And if your soul is stirred to see these patterns, you begin to see another level of these stories that speak deeply to you, and you can see this cross-comparison in all of the Indo-European branches or the Aryan branches of faith.
02:34:51.240And some of them, like Al Saragodi said, some of them lay over each other very, very well. Others do not. And that could be foreign influence. That could also be just deeply intrinsic influence that's connected to the value of the culture, whether it's Slavic or Gaelic or Gaulish or Germanic or what have you.
02:35:12.000And it's not a matter of trying to denounce one or the other. I'm clearly just more familiar with the Germanic and Nordic. But you can see these comparisons.
02:35:25.240And I don't think that there is far off when it comes to the early scriptures of the like the Rig Veda or the Vedas in general, as they do come from the Araya and we do see that there are cross parallels that we can clearly tie to.
02:35:48.800One of the ones that comes to mind immediately, too, is the reference of Lord or Agni of the early Vedas.
02:36:01.440He's part of the tripartite of theirs, and he is the Lord of sacrifices.
02:36:06.700And again, in our faith, some of the gods are called like Lord of the temple, Lord of the sacrifices.
02:36:14.100And again, these are not saying that the gods are somehow worshiping some other god, or who are the gods worshiping? The gods and us are correlated together. We see their faith is our faith. Our faith is their faith.
02:36:35.420They don't say worship me. They say a strong soul gives gift. And so we are, in essence, copying through as they lead by example in a way.
02:36:54.220And again, it's just, you can see in these ancient writings that this is the way that our ancestors saw functionary. They didn't see the gods as separate and sitting up there. It was that they too were like us and we are like them and we should strive to be like them.
02:37:15.380And that we are a reflection of their divinity.
02:37:21.820So that correlates to they, you know, build, they have anvils, they fashion tools because that's what menfolk should do is fashion tools, create governance, build buildings, create order and society.
02:37:38.160And even though now, obviously, we don't see the gods as, like, living literally in a house, it is the purpose of the house.
02:38:29.820know how you would petition to have something like that name what is interesting is that particular
02:38:37.980ridge that forms like a sea around like a backwards sea around property is entirely we own the entirety
02:38:48.940of the ridge line so i don't think it would be inappropriate for us to want to officially name
02:38:57.100that and i don't think we would have other people contesting with us but i'm not sure um
02:39:07.340i think there's a lot of cool things we can do that or we could do as far as that naming goes
02:39:15.660i think you know the thing that pops to my mind is the most
02:39:19.900i don't know fortuitous is perhaps uh tiers rampart um for that ridge but i'm not sure
02:39:29.140but yeah i think it'd be really cool i'm just not sure what that process is
02:39:33.940swan what are your thoughts uh i'm i just started kind of looking in uh one of the things i noticed
02:39:40.780is that ridges and and hillocks and things are kind of more locally um utilized and then become
02:39:48.240but there is actually a naming authority for summits and hills, landforms, and high points
02:39:57.460throughout the United States. It's called the Geographic Name Information System,
02:40:02.320and it's maintained by the U.S. Geological Survey for the U.S. Board of Geographic Names.
02:40:08.780So there is a body in our government that does keep this data. So the source of trying to figure out how something becomes of that. And again, I think it actually lends to our favor if it is unnamed.
02:40:29.120um this is really interesting i am absolutely down for this but i think that that's a brilliant idea
02:40:40.020oh yeah there's uh the proposal and then there's a review and then an approval and then there's
02:40:46.820public access as it's listed on maps um this is uh you know really really interesting uh i did a
02:40:56.680a wedding in washington's uh state for two lovely members of our church and they had a wedding
02:41:03.560at a place um the interesting was the usage of the word uh b-u-t-t-e and it's a french word
02:41:16.380uh kind of very similar to the germanic word bjorg or or berg uh for a a mountain or a hillock
02:41:24.920and i was just like oh wow that's kind of cool that that etymology there um and you know maybe
02:41:30.720who named it was it a you know somebody of french canadian origin or was it just uh you know i i
02:41:37.060don't i don't know was it a decision made to kind of uh seem different from other places
02:41:44.060but that you see a good bit in the american west right yeah it was was it something maybe started
02:41:51.040by like uh the lewis and clark expedition i you know because you have mesas in the southwest and
02:41:59.440that's obviously it's connection to latin and uh the hispania you know hybridization so
02:42:06.960the fact that it's not named though that would be very cool to uh get that into review or proposal
02:42:16.800and review and then have that on google maps is like that that's what this this hill formation
02:42:23.760is called that's a great idea i'm a little upset i never thought of it
02:42:33.200i think that's really cool idea as well um question for you gentlemen what are your thoughts
02:42:39.200on the bettas swan what are your thoughts oh we kind of talked a little bit about that i think
02:42:44.640that the uh initial vedas um and i don't have a ton of knowledge i can't speak with
02:42:52.960authority on this and and agency of um sincerity which i can speak about my own faith so that's
02:43:02.160just the honest truth um but i do see the comparisons and i i believe a long long time
02:43:09.360ago al sir godi and i were talking about comparisons like blueprints and looking at
02:43:16.800things and kind of overlaying hellenic ideas over the blueprint of of the germanic or or
02:43:25.840what have you and all of this culminating to the origin of our of our people and our gods and
02:43:33.920i don't think that we're meant to go back and try to replicate or create um you know uh
02:43:41.520this is what it probably is i think that the the the point is to go forward and and unify
02:43:50.560under uh the the larger concept of that which has survived but going back you see a lot of that and
02:43:58.560one of the big ones for me was the tripartite um it was instrumental in my studying of how there is
02:44:08.560always a sky father and an earth mother and then when they are transformed moved
02:44:18.960they change in their positioning there is always the tripartite of heaven that is established
02:44:24.640and the vedas were the first part on that journey of my studying that in in relation to um indra
02:44:35.040agni and varuna um where that suddenly the the tripartite of lightning fire and water and then
02:44:46.080looking at other arian branches and seeing that the the hellenics had numbered their tripartite with
02:44:52.880Zeus having the lightning bolt and Hades having a bident and Poseidon having a trident.
02:45:00.340They literally numbered it. And you just begin to see these patterns throughout all of the
02:45:05.460Arian branches. And it started with the Vedas. However, again, because of my lack of like just
02:45:13.860deep knowledge. I would like to go in and look into a lot of it, but there is, I think, a great
02:45:23.360change that happened over time as the Araya of India are very much, they fall into the same0.65
02:45:36.620furrows that befell other Aryan groups, if they encountered very large non-folk
02:45:46.460peoples, the, the Iranians, the Persians, and they're being, you know, influenced greatly
02:45:55.960or running into in the South, the, the, the Shemites or the, the people of, of the Middle
02:46:03.200east um or in india with with the araya kind of running into the dravidians and then even with
02:46:11.840the hellenics at a certain point though it was a softer impact they did encounter canaanite phoenician
02:46:20.160you know levantine sea peoples um and the the north africans but as you kind of drift more
02:46:27.840northward there's less you kind of find this kind of concentrated sense with the gaulish or gaelic
02:46:35.120people uh the slobs and the germanic folk and you see that there's uh less of a a stranger or
02:46:44.080outsider influence it's less outlandish in a way um and so and i don't mean to that in in demeaning0.93
02:46:53.200it but what i am saying is is that we have to be very very careful when we research that we are
02:46:59.280going in there specifically like investigators looking for the true source uh the the comparative
02:47:07.920points and that's where um there's a lot of help that the hit the uh indian or the vedas can help
02:47:16.400us understand there's also things i think that our sources can help folks who are specifically
02:47:24.160looking in that perspective in relation to um ancient hindu texts and uh i mean i find that
02:47:34.320all very very fascinating i think that uh it's it's clear to see but at some point when our folk
02:47:42.080ended up kind of overtaking a different peoples it wasn't but for so long where things began to
02:47:52.240kind of merge and shift and the araya telling the dravidians that they can't eat the cattle
02:47:59.280and and now the cattle are just sacred and nobody eats them we can see these evolutions so we have0.95
02:48:06.960to be careful and we have to kind of have a judicious mind looking at these things
02:48:15.200yeah i don't know what to do with this um i have tried really hard i'm just keeping it real i've
02:48:21.920tried yeah i know you're being real real they seem completely nonsensical to me there's no
02:48:28.320point of familiarity there's no point of commonality that like it is very hard because
02:48:36.960I lack the context or whatever, and it all feels very, very foreign and very, very strange and very something I don't know how to connect with easily.
02:48:52.860um that's not a slam against them that's as much on me but it
02:48:58.320you don't start out getting a lot of the context in in my understanding so i think it's
02:49:06.900challenging in that sense um so i have not made great progress in reading um
02:49:15.980the rig veda uh the times that i've tried because it's just i can't follow it
02:49:22.520But that's on me, and again, that's not on the Vedas, that's on me.
02:49:30.520Soan, can you comment some on the broad Germanic folklore related to spirits and why we call
02:49:38.520fermented beverages spirits in relation to kvassar and fermentation, as in wine and spirits shop?
02:49:50.520yeah the infusement the changing uh the processes was not fully understood um i believe and i can't
02:50:00.760remember which book but uh dr stephen flowers suggested that there might be say uh like there's
02:50:08.440a north south east and west of the elements in the western tradition and then there is the northeast
02:50:16.120the uh you know the southeast and and this would be venom yeast and other elements that uh lend to
02:50:26.040uh life creation and things that we our ancestors and in particular just the truth of
02:50:34.200uh things that move and grow um and so what you end up getting is yeah the the soul of
02:50:41.080the the wheat the soul of the barley this uh the songs of john barleycorn and how he's threshed
02:50:49.720and killed and and um of that soul creates you know the spirit and i think it it traversed
02:50:57.080into the utilization of like copper to create whiskey and things it was more or less a verbiage
02:51:04.960that was carried on but i do believe it does go back to the origins and understandings of
02:51:13.440the transmutation between uh in an essence it's ancient alchemy before medieval alchemy it's
02:51:22.480it is the transformation of um and that is magical in an in its own right you kind of see that in
02:51:32.720what i would call the three um forms of uh magical component and we again uh whether
02:51:40.720it's the apples of our gods of the soma of uh the vedas uh the ambrosia um different
02:51:51.520things but we we find these modes of of uh religious and spiritual connotations always
02:51:59.520associated with what i would call the three big pillars of um ancient the ancient world being
02:52:08.160alcohol um mycelium and and mushrooms and um uh cannabis but a lot of people will go and run with
02:52:20.480that and say oh what are you trying to say that like religion is only created by these things no
02:52:25.520what i'm saying is is that the facilitation of thinking outside of the borders of our own mind
02:52:33.120was clearly noted when these items were involved and so they clearly have
02:52:40.720a religious connotation sometimes cultural the scythians and their usage of um indica style
02:52:49.120cannabis um obviously alcohol in relation to the germanic folk and um the the shifting when the
02:52:58.160the indians or when the araya when they go into india there's a clear shift between the upper land
02:53:04.880um aminata muskara the the the red capped mushroom with the white dots to a psilocybic
02:53:12.960cattle-based one. And it was because the heat that produced those mushrooms may not have been
02:53:21.720encountered before until they entered that biome. But it's, again, the reflection of the natural
02:53:31.380world is an echo of divinity. And just like there can be things that can open up and expand our
02:53:40.980understanding sometimes, it's not to be abused because all things can have detriment. The gods
02:53:49.900are capable of taking on this knowledge. Lord Odin sacrifices himself and this sets him above
02:53:59.580the gods that have not sacrificed themselves because he has the strength or he had the strength
02:54:06.440to do it. And again, Lord Oden speaks about how, you know, when you do go and traverse and look
02:54:14.500into shadows and want to seek knowledge, sometimes what you find is far more than you can handle.
02:54:20.600And that reflects just in nature as well with our understanding of, you know, you go and you
02:54:25.800experiment with things and a plant which has no moral compunction with ending you ends you
02:54:34.140because of your lack of knowledge and understanding so the exploration of the boundaries beyond our
02:54:41.020mind is just as dangerous as say like living in the natural world and trying to go further out
02:54:47.180and it gets even more complicated when we start constructing and making things the the chemical
02:54:53.260based laboratory based things now we're doing things that we're creating our own hemlock out
02:55:00.540in the world if you will um you know fentanyl would probably be a good example of that um
02:55:07.260and so we need to have the moral guidance of saying you know this is bad this is not good and
02:55:13.580we you know should not explore in these uh realms with reckless abandon so um
02:55:21.420Um, yeah, I just, I, I, I think ultimately that all correlates, um, to the expansion
02:55:29.460of spirituality, the expression of the mind going beyond the borders of ourselves.
02:55:34.740But it's just, uh, me basically stating a processes through observation that I have
02:55:42.840seen and um they all have significance uh culturally um and we can see it happen in real time
02:55:51.880perfect example two would be like the appalachian mountains with um moonshine and that correlation
02:56:01.180it's far beyond just simply a liquor it is a kind of spirit of rebellion it is a connection to
02:56:10.280ancestral ties there's so much involved in these sacred elixirs and substances but far too often
02:56:22.460the people that proclaim that the gods are just archetypes are the same people that will proclaim
02:56:30.020that these substances are the reason for religion and i think it's the opposite the archetypes are
02:56:37.680reflections of the gods. There's just another way for us to kind of map out our relationship.
02:56:44.220And these substances are like, I want to travel, but the car isn't the reason why I travel. The
02:56:56.700car is a product of my desire to expand and to grow. But the gods, again, teach us over and
02:57:05.460over and over again, that things cannot be done with reckless abandon, and that we must have this
02:57:12.220discipline to press forward slowly. And sometimes these things are left to people who better
02:57:21.320facilitate this. In our culture, the magicians, the priest classes, etc. But even they too can
02:57:31.500have great folly in, in exploring and reckless abandon. So I think that's where all of that
02:57:39.520comes from. I just drug in the mushroom and cannabis part as well, but I think it all has
02:57:46.900that relevance. Yeah, my understanding of
02:57:51.780the spirits is that it is the distillation process it is reducing something to its most
02:58:04.620essential element to its the spirit of it to the thing that's fundamental and i think that that is
02:58:11.840why there's the overlap um but yeah all the things swan said just that little linguistic bit
02:59:15.060and we we see this with uh uh even lady seaf and her connection to the word uh uh sib or sibling
02:59:27.020and it it's no i don't i don't think it's a mystery the the goddesses are deeply connected to
02:59:34.020whole culture and the family and so the connectivity of the goddesses in relation to
02:59:41.400well, relation is often used in the verbiage to emphasize their heavy placement within family
02:59:52.440culture. So something else that I've neglected for overly long on this, I apologize, I saw it
03:00:00.500earlier, but we got lost in some of the discussion. GW Farnsworth, you are awesome and we appreciate
03:00:08.600you and your generosity is amazing. It continues to impress. Thank you so much. He donated $25
03:00:16.120each to the pavilion and towards paying off Sigurheim itself. So thank you so much. Much
03:00:24.180appreciated. I'm sorry it took me so long to acknowledge it. Our next question question.
03:00:32.480Speckinger Svahn, how important do you think the blood of Kvassar is for a musician?
03:00:38.600uh indispensable i think that the inspiration so i'm not a musician uh i've done more like
03:00:49.700speaking and uh poetry and things like that but when i see uh the construction of music and you
03:00:58.840can just that that outpouring of emotion uh whether through a tool or whether through oratory
03:01:08.460I think it all is correlative, but I think it's worth understanding that Lord Clossier is in a different form. He's no longer bound in shape, but he permeates. He permeates through, and he was disseminated into the world by Lord Odin.
03:01:34.580And I don't think that's accidental in the story either, that his inspiration is measured out by one of the gods of cosmic order.
03:01:43.860So, again, it's heavily emphasizing the power of word and inspiration and ecstatic magics that pervade in our culture.
03:01:59.480And I think that that applies just as much to music.
03:02:02.720But I also think that Lord Bragi is a culmination of that power, being the son of Lord Ovin.
03:02:14.740And the fact that the blood of Kvasir is won from Gunlov, who her name means the battle song, all of this correlation.
03:02:30.960I don't think that there is any separation, that they're all like muscles in the body, interconnected.
03:02:40.460So looking to Lord Bragi for inspiration or access to inspiration, and to Lord Odin for access to inspiration,
03:02:51.660And that Kvasir himself is in this state that pervades beyond, and he is attainable because of the gods and because of Lord Odin's sacrifice and will to take that which they had formulated and now is spread apart and layered.
03:03:17.860I think our ancestors too, they didn't see it as like, oh, this happened once. And now the guys who are awesome poets just happen to be walking along and they got one of the drops from the meat of poetry. I don't think they looked at it that way in a literal sense. No, they were talking about transformation.0.54
03:03:36.120Just like as Al-Syreguly was talking about spirits and distillation, this process is all metaphorical for the processes of what I would say is divine inspiration towards both expressing your soul and perhaps calling out to the folk to return to the gods or to give worthship to the gods.
03:04:02.480But that's not it alone. Obviously, you know, we don't have these rules like in Judaism and or in Christianity where it's like you can't sing or dance except in praising this one particular God.
03:04:18.100But instead, I think the gods revel in us exploring our emotions. I think they revel in us expressing and presenting our emotions. The very gifts that they gave us and the very breath, the on in singing is a celebration of those gifts that the gods gave us.
03:04:45.880And it would be an insult for us to not express them and explore them.
03:04:51.600But again, we must do all things with a seemly mind and we must consider honor and we must consider nobility in what we do.
03:05:01.340But I think they're deeply, deeply connected.
03:05:03.740so next up is it our duty to talk about the folkish faith to those who are christian or
03:05:18.640is it something that is more personal and should be left alone yes it is absolutely our duty to
03:05:55.780No. It's not more personal. It should be left away. If people express that, like, okay, whatever, shut up, I'm not interested, then fine. Leave it be. You don't need to press it, but we should never be at a place where we're...
03:06:13.660sorry guys we should never be at a place where we're uncomfortable
03:06:25.240sharing something that we're excited about
03:06:29.320I'm sorry uh or something that we're proud of um
03:06:35.080and we should absolutely as a duty to our gods mention this to other people especially people
03:06:45.840we care about but mention this to other members of our folk that haven't found their way home
03:06:52.520it's a really important thing to do and one of the problems is so many of our people
03:07:02.400don't know about it. So there's a difference between you making yourself a jerk by constantly0.98
03:07:08.220being obnoxious about it and mentioning it and celebrating it, being proud of it, being,0.99
03:07:15.000you know, mentioning it to those that might want to know. We have to do that. That's how people
03:07:24.600find out about this. I wish that someone had told me much sooner than I found out.
03:07:29.260um i've mentioned time and again the biggest uh impediment of us growing faster than we are
03:07:39.820is that so many of our folk have no idea we exist so yeah go out tell people um
03:07:48.220and it's not just a nice thing to do i do think that's our duty to make those opportunities to
03:07:55.240create that opening and to share what we know that's so important and invite our folk to come
03:08:03.080home. Absolutely. Svon, you have thoughts on it? I mean, nothing beyond what you said. I think that
03:08:14.420the biggest thing, and I was speaking to one of my clients about it today. He is folk, but he is
03:08:22.260not ours true and i said that i have no uh proclamation from my holy gods to somehow convert
03:08:31.480you or uh you know put you under boot because you are of a different mind but it is good for me to
03:08:42.880tell you the things that you have forgotten our folk have forgotten so just as the gods want to
03:08:51.620see us govern ourselves, create societies, they also, too, want us to remind those who have
03:09:01.300forgotten. And I think that that's important, that we should. We should through story, we should
03:09:07.080through by example, by deed. We're doing it in many different ways. But at the end of the day,
03:09:13.840expressing that they remember is important now if they reject that's fine you know we are of
03:09:24.780a faith of wisdom and we know that sometimes people reject that which they most intimately
03:09:32.220are are battling with and you know if they are looking at the faiths like say the the faiths of
03:09:39.560middle east in in uh christianity and they're battling with these concepts but they can't quite
03:09:46.120wrap their head around the concept of the multiplicity of the gods um the ecosystem of
03:09:53.400heaven and the middle world and and the processes and the circulatory system of yggdrasil that's a
03:10:00.120lot of stuff to kind of get it starts with just little seeds and you should always move towards
03:10:08.680that now the bigger thing too is bearing in mind folk who are not ausitru are in the utgard but
03:10:17.880the utgard is not always bad it is there are those who are neutral and those who are antagonistic
03:10:24.920anything that tries to destroy the order of our faith we must defend it it is our duty to maintain
03:10:33.400our order, and that which comes from the outside. But if there is neutral, then speaking to them
03:10:42.860and affording them the civility that they deserve, that's totally within our faith and our spectrum.
03:10:53.020so i just want to say this there's squabbling in the chat about cannabis and other stuff i will
03:11:05.920answer the question when we get to it please hold on and don't let whatever the passions of
03:11:12.140the discussion are in the way until we can actually talk about it because i do want to
03:11:15.760get your question when it comes up were the fey fairy folk demonized by Christians as evil demons
03:11:30.840I think that the fey and then wild gods like I think of the fey and then wild gods like pan0.94
03:11:39.840Yeah, absolutely. Any entity that is external to Judaism was demonized by the early Christians and Christians today.0.94
03:11:59.280So that would certainly include the fae. It would include, you know, any and all other gods besides Yahweh. And, you know, it would include your ancestors in the form of Alvar or Desir.
03:12:18.100It would include, you know, any ghosts, any literally anything that's not angels or saints or Yahweh or Jesus, I guess.
03:12:32.980Anything other than that is necessarily demonic in their in their expression.
03:12:39.740anything worldly because the the fae or or the lanvetier um pan in particular in relation to
03:12:56.020like herds and the flock and anything that is worldly is so rejected that it is immediately
03:13:04.540demonized. There is such a rejection to the vitality of procreation. It's socially acceptable
03:13:18.600in Christianity at certain purviews, but it is not acceptable in others. And then I think
03:13:26.980every religion including ours has you take it too far if you let it rule you if you let it
03:13:36.080consume you that's bad and that can apply to all things not just worldly things but it is it's
03:13:43.560particularly visceral for christianity and that's why they you know they have their demons uh or
03:13:50.520the shadim is actually what they're called but they use the latin uh word in the greek word
03:13:56.940daemon um you know they're they have horns they have hooves they have uh earthly animalistic um
03:14:08.460appearances and uh they i think in the northern realm so that was predominantly around the
03:14:15.340mediterranean but in the northern realm it started off with a demonization but that eventually led
03:14:20.620to what i would call like a minusculization of the spiritual world uh where the tomta and the
03:14:28.780the uh the bogey or bogart um yeah they became seen as small and little and you know just because
03:14:36.300they can't get rid of it so they're gonna just turn it into something whimsical and um same with
03:14:43.100the troll the troll is probably the closest linguistic title we have for uh what would
03:14:49.660be comparative to like a demon in a christian sense of like a a monster or beast that can do
03:14:57.820these kind of same or has these same malicious intentions um but everyone thinks of like a naked
03:15:04.940little being with a gemstone in its belly button and that's that info infantilization the idea is
03:15:12.540to make everything that is of the old religion seem childlike and an infantile while um
03:15:22.380theirs is is intelligent and uh correct and true so um i i have to take one moment
03:15:56.260what is the afa's stance on cannabis consumption i've heard of ritualistic drinking is there any
03:16:08.560aspect to cannabis too so the pot question i realize we have an international audience
03:16:19.420so realize that we're based in the united states and i'm sure the rules are different
03:16:25.460for different stuff different places no inherently the afa has no anti-cannabis stance or really a
03:16:35.220pro-cannabis stance um our stance on drug use is the afa is not going to encourage anybody to do
03:16:47.860anything illegal wherever they're at that is strange in the united states when it comes to
03:16:53.540cannabis because many many states now it's legal and perfectly fine but federally is a different
03:16:59.540story and that creates a lot of strange hurdles but fundamentally no the afa doesn't have a big
03:17:06.340um stance on cannabis particularly uh other than you know if you're going to do something that's
03:17:15.140legal where you're at fine uh don't if you're at afa events and whatnot don't you know blow pot
03:17:24.420smoke in people's face that don't like it because it's still kind of a something a lot of folks
03:17:30.020aren't necessarily comfortable with but you know you if you're grown and it's legal where you're at
03:17:35.860we don't have a big stance on that um and also true we push a lot more personal responsibility
03:17:41.700and whatever the argumentation on the side and i caught a little bit of the discussion
03:17:46.980no i i don't think that we have any case to be made that it's dangerous or whatever else that
03:17:55.540way uh i think that what is important is it's kind of an emergent issue you have some people
03:18:02.900who are in their 60s 70s 80s that it's the worst thing in the world because they've been told their
03:18:08.580entire life that was this horrible thing have a little bit of grace to understand where those
03:18:14.340people are coming from there's younger people that have never really had that message to find
03:18:19.140themselves in their 20s that don't get what the rest of us are talking about he is a man in my
03:18:23.94040s you know all growing up it was the worst thing ever it was gonna yes gateway drug gonna do horrible
03:18:29.700things to you and then all of a sudden no never mind just kidding guys we just made all that up
03:18:36.100well it's kind of hard to reshuffle some of people's programming on it so let's have a
03:18:40.420little bit of grace with each other on knowing that people come from different places with that
03:18:45.940but no we don't have a big stance on cannabis so we don't have a lot of evidence of cannabis use
03:18:53.380in our lore in our history we do a little bit more when it comes to psychedelics
03:18:58.420and again psychedelics are largely illegal most places so we're not encouraging you to do that
03:19:05.860but conceptually there's a case to be made for their spiritual use um
03:19:14.340in what you're saying with the cannabis as far as like comparing it to drinking rituals
03:19:19.540some of the same things might apply one of the fundamentals to um drinking ritual in an
03:19:27.300house true context that it socially lubricates i mean we all know that alcohol does that but it
03:19:34.220breaks down walls that would prevent proud men from interacting with one another in a way that
03:19:43.880leaves them vulnerable. It allows for a situation of shared vulnerability and shared susceptibility
03:19:52.040to a deeper and different level of thought on some stuff. And I think, and I say this
03:19:59.600to somebody who's never, not that I've never tried cannabis, but I've never had, I've never
03:20:05.920had i've never had much of an experience with it um growing up in alaska it was like you know this
03:20:15.360big thing oh they've grown this awesome weed up there or whatever that never did much for me it
03:20:21.760made me hungry one time um and then uh you know a few years ago a friend of mine had a vape pen with
03:20:30.720like very distilled from a dispensary cannabis and that again i didn't get a spiritual experience
03:20:37.920out of it but i couldn't move like my entire body would not respond to my brain signals to it it was
03:20:45.680a very strange experience but i've never had any like that in the middle where you're more
03:20:52.480contemplative that's just not been my experience but i don't you know suggest that couldn't be the
03:20:58.000case but no the afa has no particular the afa certainly doesn't have a ritual position for
03:21:06.240cannabis use in the same way that it does alcohol but it also doesn't have a particular stance one0.99
03:21:12.560way or another other than don't be the stereotypical pothead that's dumb and lazy and0.91
03:21:21.280slovenly and whatever but i don't think most people who use cannabis are that guy i think0.99
03:21:26.480that guy is a caricature of the very worst scenario of that um so you know you're an adult make
03:21:33.360responsible choices i think is the afa stance on most of those things swan i skipped a question
03:21:40.400because you were gone that requires a little bit of nuance from matt and swan today my daughter
03:21:48.640attended an interfaith church service at her scout's summer camp primarily to spend time with
03:21:54.960her friends while i understand the social pull at her age i wonder that such blending blended
03:22:01.120gatherings may blur the reverence for our ancestors gods and folkways how would you advise a mother
03:22:09.360in approaching this with a teenager additionally how might i gently encourage more recognition of
03:22:15.920ancestral faiths within future scout church services. Svon, as the father of a teenager,
03:22:27.200what say you on this subject? I think the biggest point is identity. I think that a lot of folks,
03:22:36.000maybe boomers gen x um early gen y millennials can think back or look at information of
03:22:47.440um say the native americans and go oh wow so nice or it's amazing or or whatever
03:22:55.280that the these people have this identity they have this connection to their ancestors and they're
03:23:02.240celebrating. The same would go for us. I would implore you to tell your children this is our
03:23:13.740identity. This is who we are. This is what makes us different from other people. And it goes all
03:23:21.360the way back. It's not about necessarily the comparison, the correlation, whether it's
03:23:34.160ancient songs for a certain group of people or ancient dances. It is the same for us that these
03:23:41.440sacred rites, these communions with the gods holding the horns make us uniquely us and
03:23:51.340I think that in an age where identity, especially amongst folk children, is demonized, we should go the opposite direction and encourage our children to embrace their identity, the identity that is handed down to them by their ancestors and that they in turn will hand down to their descendants.
03:24:18.220I think the biggest thing that I have encountered is not so much the influence of others, but modernity in and of itself.
03:24:29.100And the fact that many young children who are kind of getting spread out into the monoculture of modernity, they're the ones that are also fighting for identity.
03:24:48.520And there is also just a certain sense that your children are going to try to do their own thing and find themselves, but maintain that beacon that this is our identity.
03:29:31.340And if there are projects or merit badges or things relating to faith, I would enthusiastically
03:29:39.980do those under an, an out so true, um, interpretation of them and, you know, proudly participate
03:29:48.340in that. And I think that that might go a long way. I would only really worry about advocating
03:29:55.120for stuff if in some way your child was being pressured or made to do something against our
03:30:01.980faith. But again, those are my thoughts from a great distance and not really knowing some
03:30:08.040of the specifics. So that might vary depending on your circumstances. And the last question for
03:30:16.220night. If I had religious feelings, I would want them to be for Alcetree. I don't think my feelings
03:30:23.280are unique. How did our ancestors deal with a lack of any religious faith? Svan, what would be your
03:30:31.540response to that? So one of the big points, and I think Hilda Davidson talks about this, is
03:30:42.800the negotiation of the place in the world was left up to the the person who is the being of will
03:30:54.600and we spoke about that earlier so you are a being of will your your soul is being projected
03:31:01.620into the world through your will and uh so there's that sense of freedom now i don't mean it in the
03:31:09.900just nobody can tell you what to do or you know that's not the point of that is once you lock
03:31:16.140your will to something it is incumbent upon you by honor to uh continue to do it it's so uh it's
03:31:25.260not about just i'm not going to do what people want me to do no it's it's your will and this
03:31:30.700applies culturally across the board our ancestors saw that if someone had an even momentarily
03:31:42.540an ill look there are many times in the sagas where um a warrior who loses family
03:31:51.740or loses a loved one and can't understand why the gods would do this to them
03:32:00.700um and they had a sour perhaps a sour look at the at the divine um it was generally seen
03:32:10.400that our ancestors would say well you know that's the path they must walk um in negotiation with
03:32:18.420the divine now i think it would be far more ludicrous to them if they were to say oh there
03:32:24.560is no divine but you know it's much easier for people to say that now because they look at the
03:32:31.200minutia of science as some sort of defense and that's because christianity is unique in its
03:32:40.000deism where it creates this uh system nameless faceless un unapproachable everywhere all the
03:32:51.280time everything judgmental you know deity without being able to look at any of the details as to
03:33:00.960where and what and again or it's selective oh no no it's all love because we're focusing specifically
03:33:09.760on this rabbi who's uh yeshua but no no he's not yeshua he's jesus and he's not a rabbi he's
03:33:16.640that amorphous, it becomes very confusing. So I think that a lot of monotheism and modern day
03:33:27.080Western Christianity has led our folk into a disillusionment and on top of that science and
03:33:35.980has become kind of like this back and forth stick against. Whereas I think in Ausatru when we look
03:33:42.560at science and we look at the majesty of the way the world is built, we see the gods there
03:33:50.700and the intricacies. And we know that nothing in the universe works in its singularity and that
03:33:58.200nothing is just simply sourced only from the masculine. There is masculine, the feminine,
03:34:03.260there's push, there's pull, there's interaction. We see it in the gods, we see it in nature,
03:34:08.460And it makes sense to us and we don't reject and we don't, um, toil with this conflict. But if you are a person who feels wronged by the divine, that their will has somehow overridden yours, you know, in our culture, the idea would be for you to rise up.
03:34:34.840Not in a sense of, oh, I'm going to beat the gods.
03:34:39.640But no, it's like, despite all hardship, I will arise.
03:34:45.940Gods and ancestors be, you know, snubbed by this.
03:34:58.620Because sometimes some of us are so hard-headed that we can't listen to the gods.
03:35:03.120we have to experience things far outside of our comfort zone. But, you know, from a historical
03:35:11.700sense, most of the time it was this person has a, does not have, it's like the opposite of
03:35:18.640troth with the gods. They have a bad relationship. The gods have not sent them a good lot in their
03:35:26.600life. And that is, you know, it's best not to talk about the gods around them. They are very,
03:35:32.500very touchy about it um etc and it was seen as again it was just part of the ecosystem
03:35:41.460of the way that they dealt with spiritual issues um but as we have gone you know a lot of people
03:35:49.780say like oh you can't get into politics and be in an house of true house isn't about politics or
03:35:55.460you know it's like that concept is like okay so our ancestors only did mono i mean uh monarchies
03:36:02.500so we should all be monarchists no governance is the point and as our folk have encountered
03:36:12.020a bigger understanding of the world that the gods knew we would they're watching to see us and how we
03:36:19.620negotiate and act it's always a frontier it's not just a frontier physically that we go into
03:36:29.620conquering and create the internal frontier as well as we move into the unknown about ourselves
03:36:38.820and they're watching us and they want us to be honorable and that doesn't always indicate
03:36:48.980that they need to complicitly be part of it but now is a unique time back then
03:36:57.540everyone was also true the the the the uh conversion of of olaf tryggerson and all them
03:37:05.140coming in and doing these things that was seen more as like a political thing it wasn't like the
03:37:09.540power of uh jesus riding in on the poke surfboard uh shooting laser beams they didn't have that
03:37:19.140like oh no no this was a political entity that was buying land taxing people utilizing marriage
03:37:27.940it was causing issues and then on top of that it's like these people are abandoning the gods
03:37:32.980of our ancestors the gods that we've known and and what does that mean what are the gods doing
03:37:40.020and that's a natural thing i think that they were asking was why were the gods you know let this
03:37:45.860happened but as we have in our understanding now the gods saw this happening and again the frontier
03:37:53.700must be crossed these things must be learned i don't think that we are i know we don't have a
03:38:02.180book that states that the gods are demanding of us to react or act or do these particular things
03:38:11.940like in other religions so we are not bound by the strictures of um you have to act this
03:38:19.220certain way but the gods want to they want to see us act they want to see us do that which
03:38:27.380really guides our heart and that ultimately is is the same thing that a parent wants i know that
03:38:34.180they use parentage as a an example all the time but they really don't it's it's it's an instruction
03:38:39.940manual with parenting. But we know in reality, there are times when you're not going to be there
03:38:46.940to instruct your child. And so you want your child to, that moment is scary, but they're going
03:38:54.200to have to react. They're going to have to engage and they're going to have to utilize the gifts
03:39:00.940that you gave them, even though you're not there to press the button or flick the switch or give
03:39:06.920them the script and that's the make or break moment. And, uh, and, and they can come back
03:39:13.980from it and all of those things. But, um, I think ultimately if you are battling or struggling with
03:39:23.020faith, um, the world and the world around you, it can be very confusing. I think that you should
03:39:31.340seek out, and I'm not speaking about other religions because again, you're going to get
03:39:36.620somebody who is explicitly built on trying to convince you and convert you because soul winning
03:39:45.380i have these booklets um from when i was younger of these uh like soul winning suggestions where
03:39:52.900you just like uh once you get them to a certain point break out your bible and show them this
03:39:58.360cool stuff to kind of yeah you know and sparkles and smoke and all that that's ridiculous
03:40:06.420what you should do is seek the wisdom of wise people and ask them these questions and those
03:40:12.940wise people are not going to be afraid of your confusion and and they're not also going to they're
03:40:21.320not going to hate you for it because wise people know sometimes life and things are confusing
03:40:27.400so when you have these questions and you reach out and you say i don't understand why the gods
03:40:32.180or if the gods or what the gods and wise folk will tell you that's okay. That's totally
03:40:39.800understandable. And that you must start small. You must start with that very little waves of
03:40:46.640implement of will in front of you. And maybe you go your whole life doing that. But if you have
03:40:56.260the chance and do partake in an understanding of seeing the great web of all of that
03:41:02.500interconnectedness that those are the steps leading towards seeing the divine seeing how
03:41:08.320they interact with us seeing how our ancestors interact with us and over time you you become
03:41:15.720aware and it's it's not about uh proselytization it's not about uh you know being the jew in egypt
03:41:24.640screaming from the mountain and throwing the book at you. It's not the way our faith works. So I
03:41:31.060would say, take into consideration the words that you are told and the genuine nature
03:41:38.460of this wisdom. And you start small and don't come at it with a knee-jerk rejection because
03:41:47.720Our faith and the gods do not work in this kind of political apparata that might be the church or the caveat of the church.
03:41:59.220Instead, the world around you is divine and the folk around you, many of them have pathways to help you find a relationship with the powers that are outside of you.
03:42:14.460the gods your ancestors the land spirits they're all there it just might take time for you to get
03:42:22.540there all right so that was a lot um first the how did our ancestors deal with that
03:42:44.460it would be preposterous for us to have a detailed thing on how they deal with it because that's not
03:42:50.300something that was written about or documented a lot we don't do know what occurred uh i forget
03:42:56.860which saga it was but we talked about there's mention of somebody who doesn't place faith in
03:43:03.100god's the only place is faith in his own hands or whatever so it was a thing we had people but
03:43:10.540but it wasn't a religious smorgasbord.
03:43:12.440You didn't have, like, people choosing different faiths.0.92
03:43:16.160But I think you always had people who were more connected to Al-Satru0.78
03:44:34.840you know, stand here and shut up and be present. Okay. Good enough. I think that was kind of a0.98
03:44:42.420social standard, but what I want to, I mean, that answers the question, but I think there's
03:44:48.880a deeper implication of the question I want to mention about. Our gods have never had the
03:44:57.700proposition that the abrahamists have of a complete submission wholeheartedly to all of the0.97
03:45:08.640things or else you will die or be tortured eternally or whatever their punishment mechanism0.91
03:45:18.220might be that's not present in house there's no expectation that day one you weren't house
03:45:26.680true yesterday but today you saw this podcast and now you know now you got to be asked true so
03:45:33.720you have to be 100 devoted to all of our gods and all of our goddesses
03:45:39.000starting tomorrow or else that's not fair our gods aren't good good beings
03:45:51.240treat people a lot more reasonably than that
03:45:56.680What is invited is for you to approach the gods with a degree of openness.
03:46:05.440Not that you have to immediately have belief, but what's really important is wanting to believe.
03:46:12.360And I think that if you reach out to the gods, if you go to your altar and you make offerings, don't do it under any false pretense that you have some deep abiding belief, but say, hey, here I am.
03:46:32.280I don't know if you guys are there or not.
03:46:35.360As you said in your question, you want to be also true, or if you were religious, you would want to be also true.
03:46:42.360And I think deep down, we all want to be religious, even if there's arguments in our head that prevent us or that hamper our ability to wrap our minds around religiosity.
03:46:58.680but a lot can be gained just going in front of your altar and saying,
03:47:04.940Hey, here I am. I want to believe here's some me,
03:47:10.760here's some incense, here's a cookie, here's whatever I'm here.
03:47:16.500I'm listening, you know, pale open or whatever.
03:47:21.780And, and see an openness of mind and an openness of heart go a long way.
03:47:29.320facilitating that initial connection what i think often helps people but not in every case but
03:47:37.640something that is often helpful is starting with your ancestors
03:47:45.560starting with i think inherently in the human condition
03:47:50.840people believe that their dead loved ones exist beyond fail
03:47:59.120when asked no people scientifically don't want to sound silly they won't try to justify it they
03:48:09.020can't quantify it they can't make an argument they can't they can't science it but in their
03:48:16.460quiet moments they talk to their ancestors
03:48:23.020and that's very common they walk by a picture on the wall and like i love you mama i wish you
03:48:28.700were here with me i you know that is common to the human experience when asked to justify it
03:48:37.260we can't science confounds us you like oh no of course that's silly of course whatever
03:48:46.460But we all do that because part of us knows that's a thing.