Join us as we honor the passing of Gophie Thorgren-Oden and remember the memory of his good friend Thorgrin. We also discuss the progress on the Baldershof Steeple Project, Ronald Lake's coffee purchase, and much more!
00:04:00.000all right guys welcome to another uh exciting edition of victory never sleeps
00:04:18.640um for those of you that are listening to this later as the opening graphic indicated um
00:04:25.200I want to mark the passings. This, I think shortly after we went off the air last week, Gophie Thorgren-Oden passed away. Thorgren was one of the very first Austro-Folk Assembly members way back when.
00:04:48.580um he was outstrew longer than that uh but
00:04:52.620he got involved with uh steve and sheila very very early on at perhaps one of the very first
00:05:02.300afa events and uh thorgan and his wife katie have been
00:05:07.140intimately involved with the afa ever since up to you know up to when he passed beyond the veil
00:05:17.080And I'm sure he is representing us well to those who passed.
00:05:25.260I was lucky enough to be Thorgrin's friend for the last 14 years and get a lot of time with him.
00:05:33.520And I count myself fortunate for that.
00:05:36.480I'm sure those listening who have shared that experience of his friendship feel that as well.
00:05:42.420And, yeah, just wanted to honor his passing and let folks know about that this evening.
00:05:54.320But the tone of the show is not going to be grim, and honestly, the passing of Thorgrin is certainly sad,
00:06:04.100anybody who knew him well he's valiantly fought against debilitating heart issues and medical
00:06:13.620issues for a very long time and he has uh got a lot of years that we didn't think we would get
00:06:20.980with him so i'm very thankful for that that said um tonight swan and i are going to
00:06:34.100forgive me when i butcher it this one's a little bit harder on the mouth uh perhaps
00:06:40.820not the son of iceland over there but the hemis vida we're gonna we're gonna go to see the the
00:06:50.420memorize old norse is paying off you guys should join me there we're having a party just me and
00:06:56.020three or four other people fighting for the top spot but uh it is sinking in anyways we're gonna
00:07:02.340to be going through that this evening. Nick can put a link up, but as always, we're going
00:07:08.520to be using the Bellows translation. Please feel free to use whatever translation you
00:07:14.360have available or whichever one you prefer. There's always kind of a value to be gained
00:07:19.960by seeing the different ways certain things are translated. Give you guys a little bit
00:07:27.680to get that figured out and pull that up and get sorted and get a beverage and get whatever you
00:07:34.160need so we can dig into the meat of it. As always, the pillar of generosity, Ronald Lake
00:07:45.760has started the show off right by first buying us coffee, by donating $100 to a folk services fund
00:07:56.140for a member who's struggling with getting some of his needs, his basic needs met and
00:08:01.860the $50 towards the Baldershof steeple project is 50. Move that up to 2.55% completion. I'm
00:08:12.200super excited about the little progress bar on our donation fund stuff. So ooh and ah over that,
00:08:19.640That is due to the hard work of producer Nick, who makes lots of pretty things for us while we are on the.
00:08:30.420Oh, never mind. Nick reminds me. So that two point five five is pre Ronald's donation.
00:08:36.920So that 50 is going to even move that needle closer to where we're trying to get.
00:08:40.360But as far as pretty stuff that I was saying, someone else who spends a lot of time making pretty stuff for us is Goethe Trent East's lovely wife, Madison.
00:08:51.840Madison has done a lot with all the products we've been advertising lately, as well as numerous illustration side projects and stuff.
00:19:47.340And it's strange because they use the fancy eye in the place that we are looking at, the website that we are looking.
00:19:58.500but it's not really a D it's that ed. Yeah. And the, um, the other point that a lot of people,
00:20:07.080yeah. When you look at the ev letter, which looks like a D with a line through it, um,
00:20:13.100that one has consistently confused people because there's also the thorn letter
00:20:17.300that, uh, generally from, from the English speaking ear is not, um, uh,
00:20:29.300there's no discernment between the two. Uh, the way I've always been explained that it was,
00:20:34.920was like the difference between the letter S and the letter Z, um, in the way that it affects the
00:20:40.760throat. The letter S is in the mouth and the letter Z is in the throat. So the difference
00:20:45.280between thorn thorn being all in the mouth and it's always at the front of the word and then
00:20:51.840and having a deeper resonation lower but i you know to a lot of folks they they can't hear that
00:21:00.080the other thing that's also worth noting is the o um with the two dots above it the umlaut
00:21:07.200is starting to be replaced with an O that has a small little tail, almost like a Q,
00:21:16.000but simply coming out of the center bottom. It doesn't pass through. But the sound is still
00:21:21.060the same. It's an O-U kind of like in the word caught or, you know, our A-U and O-U sound caught
00:21:29.940and sought and things of that nature, that O sound. So that's starting to change as well,
00:21:36.760even as of now like the usage of it people are moving away from the umlaut oh because of its
00:21:43.320modern usage and that shows people that we're talking about it in an old norse context so
00:21:50.760i always just there's a lot of grammatical stuff that is changing and i really just don't like
00:21:57.960ever you know to to come at it with um with uh
00:22:05.800like shooting at the hip if you will um because one of the other things like i
00:22:12.040creed meaning like a womb so when you look at some of the words they're so close together
00:22:18.680and their usage can change. But, you know, kvÃðr could mean pregnancy if you're looking at it
00:22:31.640wrong. But let me see here. So we have kvÃða. Yeah, a ballad, a narrative, or a poem.
00:22:41.720So, and I think the reciting of is probably one of the better ways to go,
00:22:47.000Because it states generally in the West when we hear like the ballad of such and such, it's going to be focusing on them.
00:22:58.220And this is more about the situation around Himir.
00:23:05.800And I don't want to give any spoilers, but it's...
00:23:08.040Speaking of the situation around, are we getting to where we'd like to start digging into the meat?
00:23:17.000Yeah, no, absolutely. And so, you know, there's a couple things about this story that we can go over about the entertainment of it. A lot of the scholars have always felt like it was kind of an odd placement, and there's a ton of Kennings used.
00:23:33.180Um, and I think this is kind of showing again, that there were multiple storytellers, um, to which the, um, the stories were written down from or, or condensed and turned into poetics.
00:23:49.080So because you find these kind of rapidly different formats.
00:23:57.620So, I mean, when you get into this, you're going to see some interesting stuff.
00:24:03.960And we can talk about both, I think, the poetic and also the metaphysical connotations of this story, because I do believe there are some.
00:24:13.560But when we move into the recitation of Himir, we start at stanza one, and the beginning doesn't have its own introductory section.
00:24:29.260In essence, this is the introductory section. It starts to lay very, very quickly the purpose as to why everything else is about to happen.
00:24:41.100um, the instigation point. And it doesn't really give you any sort of kind of brief
00:24:46.560synopsis of what's going on. It just throws you right in. Um, so in, in, uh, stanza one,
00:24:55.460uh, of the, of old, the gods made feast together and drink, they sought air sated. They were
00:25:07.660twigs they shook and blood they tried rich fair in ayer's hall they found
00:25:16.360so um obviously that first section of old the gods so really of a long time ago the gods did
00:25:27.880this um it's kind of placing some time the um drinking together in ire's hall so this is the
00:25:37.560the setting um one of the things about this to remember the ae is an i sound like icier um and
00:25:47.720the g is a soft kind of more leaning towards a y like a gy so it's i year um a lot of people say
00:25:57.240a gear or um eye gear um but it's it's a year actually my my one of my uncles who um uh sadly
00:26:07.880passed away though but his name was a year um so here they are drinking and feasting there's
00:26:15.160an interesting point to this and a lot of people argue about it twigs they shook and blood they
00:26:20.360tried um most likely this is a poetic like hinting towards they uh utilized rooms they cast lots
00:26:33.960and they sacrificed blood and so that the the usage of the word plout plout is clearly related
00:26:43.320two and they don't say blood in in the um old norse it says that they they uh the writing tines
00:26:51.240christo taina og our cloud saw they sought the writing tines which again the runes um and
00:27:02.840the hlaut the bowl of blood they they brought it about they tested it or they utilized it so
00:27:11.640So this is a very common thing that during large festivals, large national events, if you will, or large kind of festivities that would take place like at Uppsala or in Berka or elsewhere, they would get together.
00:27:32.660And a common note of these feasts was that the runes would be read and the bowl would be filled.
00:28:02.660Um, so here we see, uh, the mountain dweller. If you look in the old Norse, I don't know if we referenced, uh, for, for folks, the, the website. Um, cause I make, I'm making references to the old Norse side. Um, I don't know if, uh, Nick had referenced that, but, um, right here in verse two, the mountain dweller sat merry as boyhood.
00:28:28.520the word is berg buoy so when you see that it's like berg is uh a mountain and buoys to dwell or
00:28:37.160the dwelling of or living in and this is or seems to be a fair enough um kenning for a jotun
00:28:51.720one who is descended in this case specifically in the middle world descended from emir
00:28:57.400So the mountain dweller sat merry as boyhood, but soon, like a blinded man he seemed, the son of Ig gazed in his eyes, and he spoke,0.57
00:40:48.500so there's two separate things get the meat of the lore
00:40:56.560the interesting specifics of the story are fascinating to sit around and think about
00:41:04.460and wonder on and meditate on and those are that's awesome i'm not taking away from that
00:41:12.180meat and taters is tear is reaching back to the older order of things out in the far farthest
00:41:24.300reaches of existence away from the ordered world to procure this you know uh unfathomable immense
00:41:35.100you know in an inattainable thing so this quest for the heroes of this story is that is going to
00:41:45.000the very far reaches of existence back to the most primal primal beings out into the
00:41:52.820to the wilderness of existence as it were to get this item
00:41:57.080you also run into different and this isn't you know this isn't hard and fast it's just other
00:42:07.040things to think on as far as terminology when you talk about
00:42:12.080there are ways to speak about our fathers as not just being your direct father but being
00:42:27.800your grandfathers or your great grandfathers or other folks distant in your lineage that are male
00:42:36.440um so there's always the possibility you know could be tears grandpa on his mom's side i don't
00:42:43.560know these are just these are just things that come to mind but the bigger truth is
00:42:49.800one of the iser is reaching back into that primordial level of being in the most outer
00:42:58.280world because they carved one of the biggest things about our lord is and there's a there's
00:43:04.840a component as above so below with this but our gods carved out or an ordered existence
00:43:11.880out of a world of chaos of monstrous giants of infathomable
00:43:19.720unconscious chaotic forces they shaped ausgarther and also midgarther from that
00:43:29.480they brought an ordered existence from a disordered cosmic primal whatever whatever was
00:43:39.800they brought what is they carved order from chaos and then they created an outpost of that order
00:43:47.160on on earth in the world that we inhabit in the world that we live in
00:43:52.760just as you see it reflected when our people move and conquer and discover new things and
00:44:01.720spread civilization across the world they incorporate new things and they push the
00:44:07.480chaos to the furthest reaches of things um it's hard to wrap your head maybe poetically or way
00:44:14.600around the way that's expressed today because so much of the earth has been discovered but perhaps
00:44:21.880that spreads out into space now the area that we've we've known and then the great unknown that
00:44:27.480lies on the outsides the idea of going out of what is safe you see that like swan talked about with
00:44:33.560our conception of things. There's concepts like people have misunderstandings about our
00:44:41.660relationship to nature. Nature is cool and breathtaking and special, but historically
00:44:51.340we've always viewed nature with two faces. There's beneficial nature where we hunt, where our herds
00:45:03.080go to graze where we go to camp and fish and we we're comfortable with nature and then there's
00:45:09.240the wild foreboding middle of nowhere you're going to die if somebody doesn't come rescue you scary
00:45:15.480nature those are two sides of a similar coin we have that with you know the peaceful benevolent
00:45:22.280waters that bring us trade and fish and resources and travel and wonderful things or the middle of
00:45:30.760the ocean where you can't see land you don't know where you are and death surrounds you in
00:45:37.080you know waves as big as skyscrapers and in terrifying situations so there's
00:45:46.840the world of men the world of the gods the world of order and then there's that outer world the
00:45:52.840concept of inner yard and outer yard is fundamental to how we relate to the world around us and that's
00:46:02.040many layered but that's the point of the story is but wait now i know of an ancient source
00:46:09.720that we can hearken back to that we can go out into the the far reaches of existence out of where
00:46:15.800is safe and procure this you know entertainable thing and that's the that's the meat of this story
00:46:24.680i think one of the most egregious things that i've noticed as of late is the marking off and
00:46:32.220what you said one of the ice here so one of the holy gods is going out into and beckoning that
00:46:40.340he and the storm father go out into the primordial and out into the outer edges um going from the
00:46:46.180yeah the super unconscious of universal sense of the of the cosmos and coming bringing something
00:46:53.700back to anchor and we'll get into the anchoring part there but um the most egregious thing i've
00:47:00.900seen is people outright saying oh no this isn't this isn't here this is someone else or that this
00:47:08.100is not um that the tier isn't even a isn't a god and i think it's because it throws a huge uh crooks
00:47:19.300in the way that they want to kind of make our stories fit together and they're again cramming
00:47:26.260in a very impious and almost heretical way of just discounting now yeah i mean it's because i
00:47:33.940i mean that in the spectrum though because i have met who try to spectrum it in different ways some
00:47:39.620of it is outright and others is like and i think it's wrong they're they're doing this
00:47:46.260because something to them doesn't make sense like they understand the gods completely
00:47:51.460the gods don't make sense to us we we have a very small amount of what of the sensicalness that we
00:47:58.340can make of these very very strong and powerful beings um but i think that discounting uh lord
00:48:08.180tier is terribly wrong the the other thing that i've also noticed is that when we talk about
00:48:18.340jotuns and icier and vanir and not understanding the the jotuns aren't some different foreign
00:48:29.700beings that the the icier come into the conscious realm come into the inner guard of the of the
00:48:36.340central they come to the base of the tree and from there they construct they are different because
00:48:42.980they leave that unorganized to become organized but again mimir best law and their connections
00:48:53.940there the vanir have their connections in the middle world and i think that jotin is something
00:49:00.260that gets confused a lot of people forget that there were two types of jotins long before emir
00:49:05.140was even slain and that is of course the sons of must spell as they are referred to and the rinth
00:49:11.700or the the jotens of niflhelm so one of the big things that i i point out is again he mentions
00:49:19.540elvigar and elvigar is in niflheim and so he's talking about if we were to like really try to
00:49:26.260dissect it he's not talking about the jotens of jotunheim he's talking about niflheim so a lot
00:49:34.740of people get lost on that and uh you know they they kind of try to make an issue with it
00:49:40.260But that's if we're looking at it in a kind of a mapped out way, I prefer to look at it more like what you were saying was just, yes, this is time they go into a primordial point and they're bringing an anchor for a very specific purpose.
00:49:58.440But it's worth saying this in reference to it.
00:50:01.900And then, you know, we can get back to the story, but, and this is, those of you who listen to this every week, I apologize for the repetition.
00:50:15.160A lot of our audience may be hearing it for the first time, so there's some drums that I just continue to beat on.
00:50:21.580So, when you conceive of the directionality of how you approach our lore is extremely important.
00:53:25.700So now, you know, Lord Tyr and Lord Thor are going to go east into the Niflheim, to the Hrimthurser, and they're going to look for the cauldron of Himir.
00:53:39.160um may uh thor speaks may we win dost thou think this whirler of water
00:53:50.800tear speaks i friend we can if cunning we are so there's one part in here that i wanted to bring
00:54:00.440up the reference again is that ayer is a jotin in the middle world he is um he is the the lord of
00:54:13.960that outer guard ocean and really what i think too is worth noting is the ocean is one of the places
00:54:21.000in which life as it is brought about still exists in forms
00:54:26.840when emir was in dominion of the middle world when when emir was creating his brood when emir was
00:54:39.280um up from for ages long brought about producing um the monstrosities that sweat off of his body
00:54:48.660if you will this time and you know the correlation between emir and the earth are pretty clear in
00:54:56.180a lot of ways um when you look at the ocean when you look at the the uh proto forms of life that
00:55:04.520exist there and there are things that are actually not even proto life they're they're complex life
00:55:08.980forms that are around despite that which is happening on land has changed greatly um i i
00:55:17.540i think that the primordialness of the ocean as being one of the last vestiges of
00:55:24.120primordial creation. In a lot of ways, the ocean is, I think, one of the places through which
00:55:33.880the Jotun or the cosmic powers of the Jotuns, be they Niflheim or Jotunheim,
00:55:42.880their manifestation in the middle world is often done through the ocean. And what's happening0.77
00:55:49.640here is the the gods are trying to seek a center point a point in the in the water in the ocean
00:55:57.400where they will create a a source or a centering that they will be attending to so i think deeper
00:56:06.600this is a story about the the gods of cosmic order creating an anchor point in the most primordial
00:56:12.840spot in the middle world and that's i think has a lot of um very deep esoteric um means so this this
00:56:25.800whirler of water this kind of the center point of the primordial ocean um in which they will make
00:56:34.120sure that their dominion reaches um even that far down to ensure the safety of the middle world
00:56:42.840um so uh from here they they say and uh in stanza seven because stanza six of course is
00:56:55.980is really odd thor spoke and then it's stanza six and then it's just again a returning of
00:57:03.240um uh speech and then it goes into the um back to the poetic meter um in seven forward that day
00:57:14.640with speed they fared from ausgarth came they to a yale's home remember that g is a kind of a
00:57:23.580The goats with horns bedecked, he guarded when they sped to the hall where Himir dwelt.
00:57:36.840So this, of course, is speaking of Thor's goats.
00:57:46.920And I looked into this part, too, about Eil.
00:57:49.340Most people are familiar with the name Eil if we're talking about the famous Icelander.
00:57:53.580who was uh a devotee to lord odin um and had like many historical events like he he was involved in
00:58:05.100wars between england and scotland and so on um and you know this one is kind of always cited off as
00:58:16.140to be, um, uh, the father of the, uh, Roskva and Thealfi, excuse me. Um, and that perhaps
00:58:29.380this is lending to the idea that, um, Lord Thor stops off there. Um, but again, in that
00:58:39.160story where he stops off there he he's also with loki at the time so um this is a you know it's a
00:58:48.280confusing one in which they say to ale's home ale has also been thought of to be a joten of
00:58:55.560another story that we don't know um but again the goats with horns bedecked he guarded so here it's
00:59:03.960really what's going on is the vehicle of Lord Thor is being placed. It's being stopped. And I think
00:59:10.660that's truly interesting when I think about the vehicles that the gods use in the world of order
00:59:19.080having to be shed because they're going into a place where the roads are no longer traversable,
00:59:26.320if you will. It's kind of like knowing that you can't, you know, the society and the world that
00:59:33.580you maintain that allows horses or cars, if we want to go into a modern sense. And then you're
00:59:38.760going off that beaten path to places where the order of society and the world no longer have
00:59:45.600sway. And so I think that's the ultimate point of this verse. They leave heaven, they go to Aeos'
00:59:55.140home, and then the goats with horns bedecked, he leaves them there, they are guarded, and then they
01:00:00.020speed forward to the hall of heimer um so they're they're in they're in the weeds now if you will um
01:00:14.660so in stanza nine kinsmen of giants beneath the kettle will i set ye both you ye heroes bold
01:00:25.060for many a time my dear loved mate to guests is wrathful and grim of mind so here is a switch
01:00:34.220in the poem and i think that in in the story verse it's even in the newer modern ones it is
01:00:43.780it is referenced um that this is the wife of himir that is speaking and that she is stating that uh
01:00:58.660that thor and tear are you know in danger by being here and um that he is wrathful and grim of mind
01:01:06.900so it might throw some confusion on there because it's like wait a minute who's talking about
01:01:15.460what have you so it's it's again it's worth noting this is this is um uh or excuse me
01:01:21.540even bellows he mentioned something here he says uh this might be him here's mother
01:01:31.220um or or him or his wife so he's met he mentions it going even further i don't know what would
01:01:39.060lead him to think that this is um himir's mother but and i've always taken it as this is himir's
01:01:45.220i do believe you skipped stanza eight and it does say the youth about his grand dog
01:01:51.380oh okay sorry let me see yeah the youth found his
01:01:56.980and it says random that's interesting that might be a typo and meant to be grandma
01:02:04.660found his grandma that greatly he loathed and full 900 heads she had but the other fair with
01:02:13.100gold came forth the bright browed one brought beer to her son so here that's okay so the
01:02:21.380referencing to the grandmother i don't believe that that's the grandmother speaking though
01:02:25.200um bellows mentions that it could be either one of them but here's a couple of things about that
01:02:32.700We have, when we're telling this story about the ancient, the kind of primordialness, the Jotuns are always seen as being, again, chaotic of the, of strangeness in the, to differentiate them from what the Aesir have done, what the Aesir have created, what the Aesir have made for themselves.
01:03:00.600again this is parallel paralleling to the view of our people and the way we create our societies0.99
01:03:08.680and when we exit those societies and we we go off the beaten bath we go off the the road that can no
01:03:14.840longer be um uh traversed so here the youth being lord tear found his grandma that he greatly loathed
01:03:26.520a full 900 heads she had and i think that this is you see this a lot when large numbers and
01:03:35.160like almost just astronomical um kind of outrageous points are brought up a lot of them
01:03:42.840have to do with um showing that kind of alienness but it is it is um
01:03:49.480his mother who again is mentioned as being a bright a browed one one that has um you know
01:03:59.280either it could reference to the that she has an unwrinkled and kind of pale brow or that she has1.00
01:04:06.800blonde eyebrows again these are both you know beauty traits um that were uh remarked and she's
01:04:14.320bedecked in gold and she brings beer to her son and she says yes sorry the kinsmen kinsmen of
01:04:21.720giants uh it just it always threw me off because bellows suggested it might be the grandmother
01:04:26.360that's speaking and i don't think that's the case i think the grandmother is just there as a plot
01:04:31.460point to show how far off and how deep they've gone um into the uh into this into the primordial
01:04:42.660chaos. And so, um, she says, you know, for many a time, my dear love, my loved mate, her husband
01:04:50.640to guests is wrathful and grim of mind. This is another thing that kind of, I I've often pondered
01:04:57.000about this. I don't know if the story is showing that the female of the house, um, is being
01:05:08.860contradictory to the evil nature of her husband or is she trying to be kind of a a frith weaver
01:05:17.320between her son and and her her husband there's some of that that goes on there and i think that
01:05:25.340we find it too more of a trait that seems to happen amongst the jotens so i wonder too if
01:05:31.880that's also kind of showing a negative trait if you will um societally culturally um and i don't
01:05:43.080i don't know exactly where that lands but it is worth noting she bears a horn so she comes forth
01:05:48.680and gives a horn to her son and his friend as guests in their home and i think that is a
01:05:54.600again another parallel that we have to our to our society so even though it's deep and it's
01:06:01.860crazy and it's in the chaos they're still holding true to some of these and i think that's
01:06:08.340again more of a story point for our audience that's one of the benefits of our lore um
01:06:22.020when we hyper focus on the details of it as a literary work i think sometimes we miss
01:13:56.560um of um heimer but it's very very interesting at this point here so if you look over in the
01:14:06.400old north side it says frila speaks and um this has been argued to mean the daughter or the
01:14:21.040concubine and it's it's actually mentioned in bellows's notes um but in essence the there is a
01:14:31.280uh a a female a representative of the house um and she speaks as hymir um comes in
01:14:44.000and um and again this is showing just he's entering the hall and he's kind of
01:14:48.320coming in it would be related to very much so the idea that when you come into the hall um and was
01:14:55.200given like a warm drink or something as you were getting your your things settled but this of
01:15:00.200course is bombastic because it's it's him here so it's uh but i wanted to point that out um
01:15:08.340so in 11 hail to thee him here good thoughts mayest thou have here has thy son to thine
01:15:17.840hall, now come. For him have we waited, his way was long, and with him fares the foemen of Hroth,
01:15:29.100the friend of mankind, and Veir, they call him. So already in this poem has been mentioned two of
01:15:40.600the, um, during the kind of the hallowing via, via the hammer, um, two of the names of the,
01:15:49.020what I often refer to as the four names of Thor, uh, Loriv and the, the noisy rider and
01:15:55.880Vey Ör are being mentioned here. Uh, Vey, of course, is the holy place and Ör is the might
01:16:02.680or the strength of it. So he is the strength of the holy place, the, the warder of the middle0.90
01:16:09.420guards, so whether the vey is being considered the middle world, or actual temples themselves,
01:16:15.620and he is the guardian of the temples, the strength, the faith, and the might of the
01:16:21.100devotion of the folk within the temples. So it's kind of a big, broad haiti, but it's there.
01:16:30.940Um, so she says, you know, she says to him that, um, you know, the, uh, that your son has come and with him, the, the highly renowned, uh, they, uh, friend of mankind, of course, and this is Lord Thor.0.97
01:16:49.640um and she points out in 12 see where they see where under the gable they sit behind the beam
01:17:00.140do they hide themselves the beam at the glance of the giant broke and the mighty pillar in pieces
01:17:06.680fell so instead of hiding under the cauldron they decided to hide behind a gabled beam or
01:17:16.200certainly not to be seen right away when he comes in but because he is such a terrible menace that
01:17:23.920is his eyes trying to stare at them splits the beam they're behind into pieces
01:17:32.280so um i i just crazy imagery and i really really like it but yes it's it almost kind of reminds
01:17:43.180me of like something from like, uh, uh, you know, where you, this kind of intense moment
01:17:48.180and then the, it explodes and they're just like behind there, like, oh, well we tried.
01:17:55.680Um, so eight fell from the ledge and one alone, the hammered kettle of all was whole forth
01:18:10.620came that they then and his foes he sought the giant old and held with his eyes so this is
01:18:18.620interesting because um the eight is most likely referred to as kettles uh whether they're
01:18:27.660emphasized as being large kettles or or all exactly like the one kettle that they they've
01:18:33.260sought for is not really specified but what is is that it was understood generally in the gables
01:18:40.380throughout the house meat was hung and a lot of the tools and utensils that were used for cooking
01:18:46.620in the center of the hall were placed along those beams and so the splitting of the pillar makes
01:18:54.700all of these kettles drop and he walks forth and looks at who is in his hall and he kind of locks
01:19:03.500eyes. Um, in 14, he says much sorrow, his heart foretold when he saw the giantess foeman. Of
01:19:15.860course, this is Lord Thor, um, being such a paragon of, um, the maintenance of order against
01:19:24.920chaos. This is the chaos slayer. Um, the giant, the giantess foeman come forth on the floor
01:19:33.140then of the of the steers did they bring in three their flesh to boil did the giant bid
01:19:41.400so he's unhappy to see thor um and the giantess foeman that's that's another interesting one
01:19:52.580um that is utilized because again the the the premise of the
01:20:00.240yotinous like wolf riding witch the um the kind of the evil um destructive uh beings that like
01:20:13.120move throughout and are often seen as being these kind of the kind of these abominations are like
01:20:18.940um they take the shape of the anti-mother if you will um and but it's mentioned over and over and0.98
01:20:26.020over again, that Thor faces off against these kind of Jotunuses, these terrible beings. And so1.00
01:20:33.560that's another reason why. The giantess foeman, he's clearly an enemy to all the Jotuns that1.00
01:20:42.120stand for chaos. But this one is very specific about the wolf riding troll witches, if you will.1.00
01:20:50.880um and you see that a lot in the stories with Thor so um but he says um you know he doesn't
01:21:01.080uh he doesn't he's not happy that he's there but they prepare a kettle and they place within it
01:21:08.040the uh they place within it oxen or or steers um and again this kind of goes to a couple of things
01:21:16.420one the amount of food that's being brought out is kind of would be seen by the audience is like
01:21:22.740crazy to have um three whole cattle brought in um killed and prepared for food um so it's just
01:21:34.420seen as again a huge bombastic amount because it's lord thor the other thing too is that a lot
01:21:40.820of the food that was done and i know we were talking about um old norse dietary practices
01:21:47.380uh one of the things that i think would be well for a lot of people to pick up is
01:21:53.220is remembering too that boiled meats were a huge part of our ancestors um
01:22:00.980diet and the idea of creating soups and stews and gaining a lot of that nutrition through the water
01:22:06.580um and that's the reason why the usage of a kettle was so important everything would be
01:22:13.060cooked in it not always boiled but the idea of it was like it was a utilitarian um object a
01:22:20.780flat-bottomed cauldron that could be used for you know grilling and stewing and all of these things
01:22:29.620So they bring in three ox to feed, um, Lord Thor and for their flesh to boil, um, by a head, this is a stanza 15, by a head was each the shorter hue and the beasts of the fire they bore.
01:22:53.620and i'm assuming it's then because i think it's misspelled here it says the husband or not yeah
01:23:00.800well maybe it's then the sorry the husband of sif heir to sleep he went alone to oxen of himir
01:23:10.500himirs eight so this one kind of hops around a bit but the biggest thing to think about is
01:23:17.220um you know they're the the steers are killed and they're brought uh to the fire and um lord thor
01:23:27.900eats two of them out of the three so he's taking a giant portion and this is supposed to be
01:23:34.480bombastic this is supposed to show um again a kind of setting of the stage when we talk about
01:23:42.460the audience listening to this and just being like oh you know he he's drink they're eating
01:23:47.740two out of the three and he's just so massive and so strong and this of course sets precedent for
01:23:53.840what's going to happen later on in the story um let me see here
01:24:04.380um yeah that's that's an interesting usage of the word so in 16 um
01:24:19.660to the comrade hori of hungrier rung near then did lowrithi's meal fully mighty scene
01:24:27.980next time at eve we three must eat the food we have now there's a part here where it says ill
01:24:36.140ill in or ineligible or ill eligible um the hunting's spoil there's a part in there
01:24:44.060actually where there's a smudge in the um uh actual um codex where the uh the poem was written down
01:24:54.540and it's listed here just that um a lot of people have tried to translate what it could possibly
01:25:01.900mean but the damage to the um to the story was is is makes it unreadable but the overall um
01:25:13.020uh message of this of this uh stanza um
01:25:17.660um, is that so mighty was Thor's meal that they would have to go hunting, that they would not be
01:25:30.480able to reach from the stocks of the farmstead, but instead have to go out and, you know,
01:25:38.400kill their own food because uh it would just it would um0.56
01:25:45.200ruin them and the the the comrade of hrongnir of course rongnir is another jotun
01:25:51.040so this is again a kenning referring to himir himself so the the the uh
01:25:58.240the comrade of hrungnir is himir and he sees thor's meal and it was so large and so crazy he's
01:26:09.020like next time uh we three we're gonna have to find food by hunting it because i can't sustain
01:26:18.500and that's really i um just to dispel a lot of the confusion behind it because it is you know
01:26:26.880oddly written um in 17 there is um again a kind of a a breaking up of the of the traditional
01:26:39.800stanza but it basically states what's going to happen next is uh feign to row on the sea
01:26:46.940was there he said if the giant bold would give him bait so willing to go out and
01:26:56.480fish for food. Um, Thor was again, they are the, the temple strength, the, um, the might of the
01:27:06.460holy space. Um, he's willing to row out there. If Himir was willing to give him bait since he's
01:27:15.060already kind of being stingy by implying, I can't feed you. We're going to have to go and get our
01:27:22.880own food and himmer speaks um in 18 go to the herd if thou hast it in mine thou slayer of giants
01:27:33.200thy bait to seek for there thou soon mayest find me thinks bait from the oxen easy to get
01:27:40.140so again the audience is it's building up to like wait what are they hunting he goes to the ox herd
01:27:49.800to get bait. And, uh, it's just, it's, it's unheard of. It's, it's, it's so crazy and big.
01:27:59.820Um, in 19, he says, swift to the wood, the hero went till before him an ox, all black. He found
01:28:09.460from the beast, the slayer of giants broke the fortress high of his double horns. So
01:28:18.280this is again, another Kenning, uh, in relation to the idea that he, he clove the oxen's head.
01:28:25.680He broke it or brained it so that he could take it for, um, to be utilized as, as bait. So again,
01:28:37.180these things are supposed to be like large and insane and the audience is just you know would
01:28:48.140be blown away just by the uh the sheer size of what's going on and of course it's because lord
01:28:53.580thor isn't a normal man he's he's larger than life he's a he's a god but he's a warrior so
01:28:59.740there's a lot of that you hemorrizing that even i think took place within the stories about the
01:29:06.940gods in order to make them relatable or to make them seem even again more than what they then
01:29:14.140than just humans um and so him going out and braining an ox to prepare for fishing is um
01:29:24.620you know is crazy um and so again there's some more um breaks and problems in this poem and they
01:29:35.500reside a lot too here in in stanza 20 so we kind of see a lot of things getting messed up in here um
01:29:44.620humor speaks thy works we think are worse by far thou stir a steerer of ships than when
01:29:52.620still thou sittest so it's in essence it's you you uh you cause more damage
01:30:05.500you know it's like it's hard for me to figure out when you cause more damage when you are moving
01:30:12.220about in the world or when you're sitting still i can't tell you're just such a disruptive force
01:30:19.500so him here is clearly um thrown off by lord thor and it's uh and he's just he's sweating it
01:30:27.580and um he's scared just the fact that he could go in and brain an ox for um
01:30:32.540you know for for fishing um in 21 the the lord of goats um and i know a lot of that's of course
01:30:46.880referring to um lord thor uh the lord of goats bade the ape begotten farther to steer the steed
01:30:59.760of the rollers okay now that's an interesting kenning we'll hold on to that but the giant said
01:31:06.320that his will forsooth longer to row was little enough so one of the big things there is the the
01:31:15.840steed of the rollers this is the boat they're talking about the the ship um and the the the
01:31:23.600rolling of the waves so thor tells him here that he needs to row out further in order for him to
01:31:33.600get a better uh you know spot because he has something particular in mind and uh himira says
01:31:43.200that no he's he's uh his will is not um he's not happy with it he doesn't want to go out any deeper
01:31:50.480so this is again showing the bombastic nature of the warrior uh lord lord thor is is um
01:31:58.880braining oxen he's carrying him on the boat uh and he's like you know go out there you know further
01:32:05.200and and heimer even says like you know um if you wanted to go you could row out further and he's
01:32:12.160like no shut up just row further we're gonna get it we're gonna get out there and we're gonna get
01:32:15.600something uh good and in 22 he says uh two whales on his hook did the mighty hymir soon pull up on
01:32:24.960a single cast in the stern the kinsmen of odin sat and vair with cunning his cast prepared so
01:32:35.840hymir pulls up two whales again this is supposed to be just so insanely they're not catching fish
01:32:45.120they're catching whales um and uh i'm surprised i've never heard anyone say like this is some
01:32:52.160sort of like you know oh they're they're killing whales or something of that nature because i've
01:32:58.000seen people just take the literalism so ridiculous um but it's it's uh that um
01:33:06.960um Lord Thor and I often wonder too this the writing of the word here in the stern the kinsmen
01:33:15.160of Odin sat and I I wonder about that if it's referencing to the idea that Lord Thor and Lord
01:33:23.820Tyr are in the the boat but it doesn't seem that way and there's no explanation as to where Lord
01:33:32.340tear is during this again because the poems don't uh feel the need to you know they don't have to
01:33:39.000mash in all the details but uh thoris is he has another plan he has a different plan and um
01:33:48.900and i think what's really important to understand here is when i when i spoke about the liminal
01:33:55.320spaces between realms and when i think when we talk about the upper realm the middle realm and
01:34:01.460lower realm we talk about the east we talk about the west what we're doing is we're stratifying the
01:34:07.940cosmos but in the stories i believe that they kind of overlay on top of each other the idea that
01:34:16.980the realm of resistance and the realm of life whether it's you know jotunheim and vanaheim
01:34:22.900overlay just as much as the heavenly realm and the the the realm below overlay in these liminal
01:34:32.600spaces that they're working in and again it doesn't have to all make sense i mean it's like
01:34:38.400are they pulling up a whale is this a niflheim niflheim well whale or a jotenheim whale or is
01:34:44.720it a midgard whale which one is it svan i mean where were they on their on their gps and it's
01:34:49.960i don't think that's kind of the way it works but it's to understand these liminal spaces and
01:34:57.000understand that in essence the cosmology of of everything overlaps upon each other
01:35:03.400um or has an integrated sense that um there are veils that separate them but the veils that
01:35:11.880separate us could be, we coexist in the same places that the veil is, and that once we pass
01:35:20.220through that, we are entering into those other places. It doesn't always have to literally be
01:35:25.880seen as if I'm going to go to the east, I'm going to eventually, you know, hit Jotunai.
01:35:32.920The direction had a different meaning than the literal meaning. So, you know, here,
01:35:37.800um the water of men has a different plan and that's what i think that the cunning is referring
01:35:46.260to um in 23 the water of men the worms destroyer fixed on his hook the head of an ox there
01:35:58.300gaped at the bait the foe of the gods the girdler of all the earth beneath
01:36:03.840and then in 24 the venomous serpent swiftly up to the boat did thor the bold one pull
01:36:12.960with his hammer the low uh the loathly hill of the hair of the brother of fenrir he smote from above
01:36:23.600so the 23 and 24 let's just talk a little bit about that again i believe that cosmologically
01:36:32.500through these the overlapping and whether we stratify the cosmos or not is that the inflection
01:36:39.820of the divine affects the middle worlds i believe that the gods are witnessing us now they're
01:36:45.400watching us i believe that they affect things through the well the urds well but i think this
01:36:52.320also applies to not just the gods that the jotuns and everything in reality kind of influxes to the
01:37:01.180middle. And so Vonaheim and its power, which I often refer to as it's the source of life,
01:37:07.680the life in the middle world versus the resistance in the middle world. And so it would make sense
01:37:15.340that Vonaheim and Jotunheim are in juxtaposition to each other. Here too, there's the fluxing
01:37:24.240influence of chaos playing itself in the middle world. And some people have speculated that this
01:37:32.120could mean something as maybe even a cosmic event or not a cosmic event, but an earthly event that
01:37:39.440was, you know, a shifting of the equator. Some people have talked about that. Some people have
01:37:45.760talked about it being the shifting of the poles. There's a lot of stuff that people have speculated,
01:37:50.920But the idea is, is that all of the worlds that are in the nine worlds, how we stratify them, have an influxing power that affect predominantly, I would say, the middle world, but can also affect each other.
01:38:06.560And they're spoken of about often in the stories.
01:38:09.340so he brings jormungandr he brings um the girdler of the world the the worm serpent
01:38:23.660and i mean obviously this is uh pretty important for me one of the first um
01:38:29.980murals that I drew was, of course, of Lord Thor, this exact story. And so the part here where it
01:38:44.220says, with his hammer, the loathly hill of the hair, that is 100% another kenning. Some people
01:38:55.440have tried to, um, equate it to Fenris. So, and I, I don't think it's correct. And I was just,
01:39:05.020I was reading through Bellows notes where he's, uh, see, it says here, the hill of the hair,
01:39:11.220the head, um, uh, uh, uh, skaldic phrase or a kenning for the crown. Um,
01:39:19.280you know the the um the idea that this might mean something else i don't think
01:39:26.640it's it's clearly he's talking about smiting the the brain or the crown of the serpent and um
01:39:34.420this would be you know considered the hill of hair um even though it doesn't necessarily apply
01:39:40.860to jormungandr being a serpent he is the brother of fenrir um and he he prepares to smite it from
01:39:47.900above uh the monsters roared and the rocks resounded and all the earth so old was shaken
01:39:58.860then sank the fish in the sea forthwith so
01:40:06.220that's why a lot of folks i think take this to possibly mean a greater cosmic event or that
01:40:12.300the machinations of the gods affect the world in ways that are far more than you know and we see
01:40:21.180this again in when thor goes to jotunheim and drinks from the horn and um reduces the waters
01:40:29.420and um it's always kind of repeated through lord thor who is the son of heaven and earth
01:40:39.260he is that link between the divine and the earthly or the middle realm and so a lot of things that
01:40:44.780always kind of involve him end up changing things within the middle realm greatly and i think that is
01:40:51.660is very true that we could look at it in many different ways i mean if you look at the magnetic
01:40:56.620um shielding of the earth and the way it protects us from heat of the sun and cosmic rays and and
01:41:01.980then there's also the main maintenance of the polarity within the world there's a lot of things
01:41:06.940in there that i think i would say the gods are responsible for especially lord thor but
01:41:14.060when we speak about it these these secrets kind of layered into the stories uh this is
01:41:21.420where i think like it's one of the examples pointed out is that you know that the the
01:41:26.060rocks resounded and the earth was shaken um so
01:44:22.600so many other branches of Aryan religion don't have nearly the treasure trove of lore that we have
01:44:38.340But what has come down to us is damaged copies of material copied many times over based largely on oral tradition that was passed down for, you know, an unknown quantity of time.
01:45:01.940So it should be no great shock that it doesn't match together perfectly or flow as smoothly as would necessarily make sense.
01:45:17.800The fact that we have it and it works as well as it does is a tremendous blessing and one that we're extremely thankful for.
01:45:26.940Don't get caught up on the tiny little stuff.
01:45:29.460And the other thing is we have pieces of other, we have other references to stories that kind of fill in some of the blanks.
01:45:42.180You know, in this, there's this big gap where, but what happens?
01:45:47.480He's pulling up the world serpent and he's about to hit him.
01:45:50.940And then all of a sudden the serpent gets away.
01:45:53.700well Snorri when referencing this story talks about like no giant got shook and he's terrified
01:46:00.040and he cuts it with his bait knife and Thor knocks the giant out of the boat because he's
01:46:05.780disgusted and like just picks up the boat and goes home because he's he's frustrated
01:46:11.140um so we get little pieces elsewhere one of the things if you're starting to do this on your own
01:46:19.940if this is you know either because it interests you or because this is your faith
01:46:28.740i remember exactly how it was when i first came home to aussitrew and i'm like man where do i
01:46:34.660start there's all these different pieces of lore and all this different stuff
01:46:42.820they all synergize and work together start wherever you're at wherever you're that you're
01:46:49.300at that's where you are start there and as you move and as you read pieces start fitting together
01:46:59.780works reference each other and you're like oh i know what he's talking about i remember that
01:47:05.460like i remember the moment when that clicked for me because i was like man this is so hard i don't
01:47:11.300really understand all these different things they're always referencing these other things
01:47:15.860that i don't know no it comes together it crystallizes so keep at it and hopefully what
01:47:23.780we're doing here is helpful to you in that but the more you read but you've got to go through a lot
01:47:30.020of different stuff the more all of these stories come together and pieces get filled in and things
01:47:36.340build upon and reference each other and it all starts making so much more sense and you will
01:47:41.540have this moment of like being proud of yourself when it clicks so that is a thing i remember if
01:47:48.100that's where you find yourself i was absolutely there i know what that's like i've been there
01:47:53.460and uh yeah it gets it gets easier and it all starts to click and it all starts to piece together
01:48:00.500yeah i think one thing worth mentioning too is that the guild beginning um is kind of the hub
01:48:08.740of the stories it's where all the stories kind of funnel back to with little pieces that's why i
01:48:14.340think it is it is such an important story that we reference often i made a mistake too i made
01:48:21.220a um so the goat of the flood surely is the boat um but bellows is even suggesting and so and as
01:48:27.620well as uh i believe his i can never pronounce his name correctly i've never heard um but i believe
01:48:33.860it's boog the swede um uh in reference to the surf swine being the whale um instead of the boat
01:48:45.540but i made a made a mistake there but at the same time like kennings are kind of funny like that
01:48:50.660because it it it could depend on a lot of the ways you view things and you know uh the the uh
01:48:59.860a ship being something that burrows through the waves like a boar or a swine could easily you know
01:49:08.740be correlated there i i don't know if i mean if it's a hundred percent but again the idea is is
01:49:13.620that he's carrying the whales and the boat and going back to the hall and when he gets back
01:49:22.420now there is another kind of test of strength there's a another point of contention in which
01:49:28.820there is the um the unbreakable cup so before we get on to that i just want to acknowledge
01:49:36.580uh paul dickert donated a hundred dollars to the victory never sleeps fund thank you we appreciate
01:49:43.860that that's awesome you guys are astounding with your generosity and it's very much appreciated
01:49:58.180yeah i started reading the uh the the one that got away the fish that got away
01:50:05.380a tale as old as time for any any fisherman as uh ryan harland says
01:50:10.740so we shift now to another part of the story in which there is this um
01:50:23.780another contention that's ultimately leading up um to the them clashing but um
01:50:30.180in stanza 30 floridi and again and i really like the fact that they repeat the names
01:50:41.940over and over again uh the these heites this is an another name for lord thor the loud rider um
01:50:52.020uh i always you know like love the heighties of all of like lord olgin's heighties are are pretty
01:51:00.180wide and expansive, but, you know, this one really, really kind of does give
01:51:06.340a testament, but it allows also to kind of build into the memory, Loredi.
01:51:14.580So Loredi then, when the cup he held struck with the glass the pillars of stone, so he throws the
01:51:20.920cup against the stone as he sat, as he sat the posts in pieces he shattered, yet the glass to
01:51:28.260high mirror hole they brought so it's not specified but it's kind of understood or alluded
01:51:37.780to the idea that perhaps this was meant not as i'm just going to take a cup and throw it but it's
01:51:43.460like no this cup is unshatterable and you know you can go ahead and test it try it see what you can
01:51:51.620do um more of that kind of a situation it's also worth noting too the the cup um a lot of times
01:52:01.300and i know the horn is a preference of us i think culturally now especially in in asitru to share
01:52:09.540the hlout with um and the folk but a lot of times it was a cup a goblet a chalice um you know these
01:52:20.660are all just different words uh oftentimes from like from the french or the english or what have
01:52:26.980you um but they did drink from you know many different vessels um in the halls and i think
01:52:35.940the horn has much more of a cultural significance for us today but it would be understood by the
01:52:42.340by the um audience as this is being spoken about the idea of a mead cup or a mead goblet
01:52:50.340or what have you um so they're they're trying to to shatter this it kind of reminds me of
01:52:58.180like when someone says you know like you know these glasses are shatter proof and someone's
01:53:02.340immediately gonna be like okay try to throw it on the ground or something crazy like that um
01:53:09.940so you know i assuming that this is later on in the hall after um
01:53:16.340um, you know, after eating and so forth. Let me see. Uh, so 31. Uh, but the loved one fair
01:53:33.760of the giant found a council true and told her thought smite the skull of him near heavy with
01:53:45.280food for harder it is than ever was the glass so there's only one thing that could break the
01:53:53.680unbreakable glass it's it's my my uh husband's you know unrelenting nature i.e his skull he's
01:54:05.440so thick-headed i bet you you would either break the glass or break his head and it's kind of like
01:54:11.680let's find out kind of thing so um this one is kind of funny i think uh that in essence uh hi
01:54:21.920heimer's wife tears mother is telling thor there's only one thing that could possibly
01:54:28.560break that and that's his his thick skull so the goat's mighty ruler then rose on his knee0.60
01:54:37.920and with all the strength of a god he struck whole was the fellow's helmet stem but shattered0.81
01:54:46.760the wine cup round was uh helmet stem of course is another kenning for the place in which you
01:54:54.120place your helmet um which is your head it's a kenning for your head so um whole was his head
01:55:01.580but the but the wine cup shattered um so alas she was wrong or you know the only thing that
01:55:10.220could break it would be his his thick skull um and not the other way around so uh hammer speaks
01:55:18.540in 33 fair is the treasure that from me is gone since now the cup on my knees lie shattered
01:55:26.780so spake the giant no more can i say in days to be thou art brewed mine ale
01:55:33.180so here he's he's uh you know lamenting that um
01:55:41.340you know that he can't he has this fabled cup and it's now been shattered he can't bring the
01:55:50.220mead to his lips he can no longer um you know uh join it or enjoy the festivities because he had
01:55:57.800such a fabled treasure and now it's it's broken um and you know it's there's no point in even
01:56:04.200brewing if i don't have the the cup in which i can drink from it um so he's lamenting just kind
01:56:13.360of a the broken mythical cup and the actions of his of his guest lord thor and his might and how
01:56:21.340he's just kind of wrecking house quite literally and and also figuratively with the with the whales
01:56:27.520um in 34 he says uh enough shall it be if out ye can bring forth from our house the kettle here
01:56:36.840tear then twice to move it tried but before him the kettle twice stood fast
01:56:43.760so in essence Hamir is like you've broken my wine glass you've eaten all of my food
01:56:53.660just take the kettle and get the hell out of here in essence what he's saying is like it's it's
01:57:01.580he's so stubborn that he wasn't willing to relent anything until his mead cup was broken and his
01:57:09.600his uh kettle which you know presumably it's not just a like a food kettle this is where it starts
01:57:16.820to correlate to the idea that it might be a brewing kettle and that the idea that this is
01:57:22.020the part where they make the must where um the kettle is used with the honey and uh with the
01:57:29.060yeast to be dropped in or if it's ale you know it's it's a it's a some sort of um grain but this
01:57:36.920is you know again most likely referring to a brewing cauldron not a feasting cauldron and um
01:57:44.680again that has correlations to kind of the frothiness of the sea so um he says you know just
01:57:52.420just just take it and leave and lord tear tries to move it twice and he can't move it
01:58:03.860um again showing the just the nature of it if lord it's so big that even lord tear can't
01:58:10.500can't move it so then in 35 the father of moti thor the rim seized firm and before it stood
01:58:18.660on the floor below up on his head sif's husband raised it and about his heels the handles clattered
01:58:26.580so the the ringlets swoop down and they're so um he's holding it so high aloft that they're
01:58:35.220swinging near his feet i think that was a really good and clear um you know translation of the in
01:58:44.260the description of the situation that always kind of stuck with me when even when i was a kid
01:58:48.340the idea that you know as soon as he holds up this pot the rings kind of like and kind of
01:58:53.300scrape the ground near his feet um but again two great uses of kennings their father of
01:59:00.580mothi uh sif's husband and you'll see that a lot in in bloats and things when people speak
01:59:07.620to the gods in prayer they will often add a lot of these kennings they will speak of
01:59:12.500or um they are um or you know and kind of a tag on these heites in order to kind of build a
01:59:22.260correlation and layer the connection that the divine is being spoken to so sometimes when folks
01:59:29.620are at bloat safe they're at like a national event or something they might hear the gothar saying a
01:59:35.380lot of these names they might not truly understand where they're coming from but a lot of them are
01:59:41.460again references to thor and most you know most folk who have been in the religion uh
01:59:49.060know who lord thor is even if you're i mean as a novice you've only been in it for a while most
01:59:54.100still know thor's hall thor's hoth thor but when they start hearing these other heighties they're
02:00:00.420like who are we talking about and that causes a lot of confusion for people but that's where
02:00:05.460a lot of it comes from is the stories um so then we we move into the the final uh bit um
02:00:18.660and 36 not long had they fared air backwards looked the son of odin once more to see
02:00:27.060from the caves in the east behold he coming with him here the throng of the many headed
02:00:35.460So, at this point, Hamer says, get out of here. And I've wondered if this was a planned intention. The idea being, if he's holding the cauldron over his head, he can't defend himself.
02:00:54.360and i thought that was very very like an interesting thing perhaps it was a strategy
02:01:01.820um but he decides to get because he's been shown up uh in the boat and his unbreakable glass has
02:01:09.920been broken um he tried okay i gotta take it upon myself this is the time i'm gonna get the
02:01:16.040warder of the gods i'm gonna get the champion of the gods i'm gonna get the strong uh lord thor
02:01:21.400and i'm gonna i'm gonna let him pick up that cauldron and i'm gonna hit him while he's carrying
02:01:27.640it so he he starts to head towards them sneakily after they have left he gets his throng of you
02:01:36.120know jotnar uh thurser uh rissi kind of uh beings and they decide they're gonna they're gonna um
02:01:47.640try to attack now and so in 37 he stood and cast from his back the kettle and mjolnir the lover of
02:01:57.160murder he wielded so all the whales of the waste he slew and there is a little um uh
02:02:06.440break in that in in stanza 37. um the um i love the the usage of the word the the uh
02:02:16.760the lover of murder and i think this is um it's more of like the the lover of of bringing death
02:02:29.720is would be the better like direct translation of that um because mjolnir is such a devastating
02:02:35.640weapon so the idea is that you know this weapon just revels in the bringing the end of whatever
02:02:41.720it's it's turned against but he translated it to the love the lover of murder so he he
02:02:49.080casts the kettle off and he pulls up mjolnir um and he lays them to waste uh
02:03:00.920in 38 it says not long had they fared air one their lay
02:03:05.960of lordy's goats half dead on the ground in his leg the pull horse there was lame
02:03:15.480the deed the evil loki had done so this again brings us back to ale's house um
02:03:25.000and the idea that and i to be honest too i don't know
02:03:30.200kind of how this or why this was done in relation to the other story but we're speaking of
02:03:39.000there's two ways this was done intentionally to connect the two stories and that this was done
02:03:44.940like as in um that they were you know uh conjoined together some people try to say that lord tier
02:03:54.600and the story of this poem is actually Loki because of the other story. And I don't think
02:04:03.320that is, you know, that's kind of wretched to do in the sense of how differentiated the two stories
02:04:12.360are. And I think more likely what this was, again, either an attempt to link the two stories
02:04:18.340together or to create some sort of congruency that one was happening uh before the other one happened
02:04:27.940um but this is i hear a lot of people try to say no tear isn't tear actually i don't hear a lot of
02:04:33.940people only hear certain people say this but tear wasn't tear it was loki and it was because of you
02:04:39.380know this stanza here but the poet is more likely trying to um you know make the congruency of those
02:04:50.740two stories because they're speaking about fios uh fialfi and ruskva from when uh thor goes to
02:04:58.020jotunheim and the um the leg or the pole horse is the bone in the leg and um that it is lame
02:05:06.820and so it immediately kind of jumps from there um and i i you know i wonder if this is and i
02:05:14.420don't like to use this word a lot but i wonder if it is kind of an interpolation or um an attempt to
02:05:21.620kind of make these stories parallel um or the other thought that i had was that um the lameness of
02:05:36.820the the the goat in the other story is being lamented so he goes forth he goes back to his
02:05:44.920his his goats but the you know the leg is has been broken um and you know is is uh again uh
02:05:54.100uh due to what happened before or in the other story with loki causing all of this this trouble
02:06:00.880but again it doesn't emphasize who Eil is and it you know the the this stanza in relation to going
02:06:10.280back to his goats is not super super clear I think people try to make and jump and make those
02:06:16.260connections and try to say that the whole time tier is Loki and I think that's a huge
02:06:21.360jump especially considering how clear it is about Loki's parentage he comes from
02:06:28.820thawr bauti and laufi and so that would again arrange a lot of different questions
02:06:36.100so when people try to stuff things into brackets and i'm more of the mindset that this is a this is
02:06:43.620lamenting the damage that loki did in the other story to his goats therefore his travel is going
02:06:51.380to be um hard because he's carrying such a heavy kettle um but in 39 he says but ye all have heard
02:07:01.460for of them who have the tales of the gods who better can tell what prize he won
02:07:07.460from the wilderness dweller who both his children gave him to boot
02:07:12.340um the in 40 sorry the mighty one came to the council of the gods and the kettle he had that
02:07:23.420him years was so gladly their ale the gods could drink in ire's hall at odd at the autumn time
02:16:37.420It is left up to the community, and that's really important.
02:16:43.760We are very used to because we've become completely atomized in the West today,
02:16:50.200and that's part of the soul sickness of our people.
02:16:54.280It's part of just a result of being in a wolf age, as it were, culturally.
02:17:00.640We don't share commonality with our neighbors,
02:17:03.560So when we look for our community, we can't really look for, you know, the neighborhood you live in or points of geography.
02:17:14.680What we need to look to for community now is our faith community, our church, the Astro Folk Assembly.
02:17:21.300And collectively, there are behaviors that are morally acceptable and that aren't.
02:17:27.240And more often than not, you get torn between when there is confusion and legitimate confusion,
02:17:35.020not mental gymnastics or trying to make excuses for bad behavior, but when there's genuine,
02:17:40.980well, which way do we go? It's very nuanced on the circumstance. And unfortunately,
02:17:47.460sometimes decisions in life are ugly and there's no perfect answer. There's weighing
02:17:54.960the pros and cons and you can weigh those by principle but it's very hard to rate to weigh
02:18:02.200those by strict thou shalt thou shalt not and i think that that's a way of thought that's really
02:18:11.140different and i think you run into that and we're very used to it because that is very much a hebrew
02:18:18.020way of thought that's very much something present in judaism christianity islam things of that
02:18:23.640nature. Indigenous religion, it's much more relevant to the social context. And that's not,
02:18:34.480I realize that's not a satisfactory answer. And there's certainly some absolutely,
02:18:44.300you know, thou shalt not horrible things. But in general, it's an issue of principle.
02:18:52.020I know it's easier if we make it something other than that, but that's that is situational and not timeless principles transcend and you work towards them to the best of your ability or you value them in comparing and contrasting, you know, the outcomes of whether you go left or whether you go right and what the decisions you make.
02:19:19.800So what we focus a lot more on is instilling culture and instilling reasoning abilities and then seeking guidance from the elders and the Gothar in your community to kind of help you frame the question in ways that do appeal to principle and not just to thou shalt's and thou shalt not's.
02:19:44.360Like, as a church, the AFA has some firm rules on a couple of, you know, on some things, but we have principles that guide these other things, and your adherence to those principles or not affects your status in the community, and that's much more in keeping with the folk way of our ancestors.
02:20:09.040so that's that's that brings us to kind of an interesting question
02:20:16.840it is very tempting for us to just make up rules
02:20:23.880and try to make reality conform to the rules we made up
02:20:32.740but again this is about directionality
02:20:35.600truth exists it's like it's like anything with philosophy philosophy is our best way to
02:20:45.620philosophy doesn't alter truth it helps us understand and express truths it helps us
02:20:57.360react to truths but it doesn't create truths sometimes it recognizes truths and places
02:21:06.960emphasis on them but it's like science i think sometimes it's confusing when i say like you
02:21:12.400can't out science truth what i mean is it's not reality's job to conform to science
02:21:20.400it's the attempt of all science to better understand how reality works just like with
02:21:27.920religion and philosophy it's your best um attempt to steer towards morality to the best of your
02:21:36.800ability as opposed to to somehow force that reality into existence so it it really the
02:21:46.880circumstance and the context matters we can certainly take the AFA has many stances on
02:21:53.360specific social issues those issues are going to always change depending on what the the issue is
02:22:00.560in society so we can itemize a lot of you know you ask questions we can give answers absolutely
02:22:09.040but what guides in all of those things is fully immersing yourself in the moral principles of
02:22:18.480also true and living those principles out in your life to the best of your ability
02:22:22.960it's not about winning a debate or winning an argument it's about the art of living the most
02:22:28.640noble existence that you can and that's very seldom clean and very seldom perfect but the
02:22:36.560goal is to try to use those principles to guide you through you know the very imperfect situations
02:22:45.280we find ourselves in life i hope that makes sense it wasn't trying to muddy the waters
02:22:50.400or be a bunch of gobbledygook it's kind of the reality that we face though so what do you say
02:22:58.080to the question swan i think it would be more wise to kind of give a synopsis i think of what you're
02:23:07.600saying because i agree and i think that it's worth noting that maybe perhaps from experience
02:23:15.120when i see people say oh these guys think this way but our ancestors didn't think that way and
02:23:20.960so on and so forth when we talk about morality and not even bringing in the christian question which
02:23:26.160that's a whole another bag but i do want to bring up something about that later um
02:23:31.680no our ancestors were adaptive like you said uh our our um the the correct way of thinking was
02:23:40.560what was what is good for the the folk what is good for the whole what condemnation you
02:23:47.200can receive from the community for wrong actions um you know i i think that there are you said
02:23:54.000very clear ones and we've always kind of had very clear ones i think kinslaying is a is a pretty
02:23:59.120clear um you know condemnation and and a case in point so your drunk uncle comes at your child in
02:24:10.800murderous rage you got to do something right according to the rules you're not supposed to
02:24:18.080you know act hopefully against your kin so you've got to use judgment and reason to balance
02:24:25.840principles yeah and i you know it's like when people say like oh so that means if someone's
02:24:31.680trying to kill you and they're your family you can't defend yourself like that's again it's it's
02:24:37.120um i think it's you know with the the understanding of whether it was done in malice if it was done
02:24:42.480with intent if it was done with um you know a lot of that stuff but it is again based on
02:24:49.040those things and i think that the gods because our faith isn't man-made
02:24:54.800it's built that way it's organic you know you find that a lot of man-made religions have these
02:25:02.000tenants that are kind of you know supposed to be unbreakable and completely you know infallible
02:25:10.320and so on and so forth thankfully um european christians kind of found the loophole with
02:25:17.440uh the crucifixion of christ and even though he does say in the bible my covenant with my father
02:25:23.360remains they kind of don't look at that and like oh no no he died for our sins so so we can eat
02:25:29.200shellfish and um and we can sit where a woman's been menstruating before like there you know
02:25:35.200there's these strange rules in the in the old bible that um like you know if you really want
02:25:40.480to go into like looking at orthodox jews and the stuff that the rules that they follow because of
02:25:45.760their strict interpretation of the of the tanakh or the old testament is it's just a wild read um
02:25:54.480but they they found that that loophole through the crucifixion but for us i don't think that
02:26:02.800that's the case as we look at the gods have kind of left it upon us to dictate closer to order
02:26:10.960or to fall into chaos and to to be a wellspring of goodness or to be a wellspring of evil
02:26:17.280and we naturally want to incline towards the good and the order so that's the way we
02:26:24.160that's that's one of the big keys one of the core principles of the nobility of our folk
02:26:34.240is the ability to have free will and make decisions and the responsibility to take on the
02:26:42.720consequences of those actions and those decisions there are other groups of people and other faiths
02:26:51.680that it's much more legalistic. That's the thing. You can practice ous-a-true correctly under a lot
02:27:00.320of different legal structures. And in different governments, in different times, facing different
02:27:06.640things, an ous-a-true state or an ous-a-true leader would make different laws based upon circumstance.
02:27:15.360but the principles should be reflected in those things and you can apply those principles to
02:27:22.640whatever situation you're in we have a question coming up that i think is is very relevant to that
02:27:31.920but there's a fundamental difference if the only thing keeping you from being a terrible person
02:27:37.440is a set of laws and you don't inherently kind of know better,
02:31:04.020And the idea of coming up with a monetary or a goods financial compensation for wrongs and slights against you.
02:31:19.360And this is the exact thing we just talked about needs to be factored in.0.70
02:31:25.940One of my favorite books that I talk about a lot and I think is extremely important is The Culture of the Tutons.
02:31:34.020But if you don't apply it with context and with wisdom and discernment, it very quickly devolves into something that's impossible.
02:31:44.340And the concept of justice, not just vengeance, but vengeance is part of the justice idea of Ausitru, is the compensation to one you've wronged because you've taken something of value from them.
02:32:50.780So the idea of making it right by seeking compensation, by you replacing something of
02:32:57.160as close to equivalent value as is able, gets me closer to a sense of wholeness.
02:33:07.360Our whole understanding, I didn't, pun not intended, our entire understanding of health and well-being was the idea of being whole, was the idea of living cohesively and consistently and not having pieces missing.
02:33:25.240When someone wrongs you, for another example, with the same idea of the vengeance, if someone were to defame you publicly, be hit to your reputation is a tangible value.
02:33:40.620in a world where reputation meant everything insulting you publicly damaged you damaged you
02:33:49.420in commerce it damaged you in relationships it damaged you and your ability to
02:33:56.220do things to join war bands to trade goods and services to go places on your travels and have
02:34:05.180people welcome you or scorn you it mattered tremendously so replacing that in some way
02:34:12.540was fundamentally the idea of of justice or you know the idea of vengeance the compensation of
02:34:18.940something that was lost the rebalancing scales it's fun what do you have to to add on that
02:34:26.700well i mean especially when we consider uh the idea that vengeance is a correction of
02:34:37.740the imbalance of things um when we speak about lord volley or when we speak about
02:34:42.940lord vidar um and their their uh placement of correcting the wrong um
02:34:52.540yeah i mean vengeance becomes i mean if you're talking about it in the literal sense
02:34:56.700And what you spoke about at the loss of your life and the loss of your freedom is that, you know, if people look at vengeance in such a black and white way, they take vengeance.
02:35:06.220And then because of the laws of our land and things that are in our country, you know, you end up in jail or you end up, you know, in a bad situation.
02:35:15.340The real principle is to seek correction of the situation.
02:35:20.380and i know that sounds very cerebral for oftentimes a very
02:35:24.760like um just a highly emotional and terrible thing obviously vengeance isn't just something
02:35:36.040you want to seek for no reason there's something that brought us there um so i know to say like
02:35:42.560oh well just to try to seek what corrects it is kind of a seems very benign but that that
02:35:50.720is oftentimes within the the the way in which weird and the way in which things uh roll out
02:35:59.480is the choices that you have um some people you know they they can't you know get vengeance quite
02:36:07.680literally uh what if the person's already locked up or or something of that nature um
02:36:14.560so the ideas of course is again seeking some sort of that balance or uh you know correcting things
02:36:21.920despite or i don't know affecting things outside of simply just that which is affecting you is um
02:36:31.120that attempt to bring alignment to each other um you know a lot of times too i think
02:36:40.080preemptive thought of the way that we look at things um if we can preemptively avoid
02:36:47.760or stop or hold back people that would do something that would cause us to seek vengeance
02:36:55.920against them against them is one of the biggest i think most proactive things we've got now um
02:37:04.320but yeah our you know i think holding um if somebody does something so dreadful that uh that
02:37:12.080they're never forgiven for it that is 100 a thing in our faith i think that if someone is so craven
02:37:19.120or so conniving or uh because not always is vengeance based strictly on like a blood feud or
02:37:27.200or you know murder for murder or what have you no a lot of times it can be that somebody just
02:37:32.560does something so egregious against their community or against uh their friends or
02:37:38.720against you know their like their church or what have you they do these things
02:37:43.520they can never be forgiven for them and they have to be held to the deeds that they did and in a lot
02:37:50.720of ways that is the vengeance against them is that you they're always spoken of the the word
02:37:56.320is always spread they this is what they did this is you know who they lied to this is who they
02:38:01.600connived this is who they went behind and stabbed someone's back that duty of making sure that
02:38:08.800people know of the foul deeds that they did and they had no atonement for them they didn't pay
02:38:14.160any price they didn't up front and openly go before their peers and say you know i did wrong
02:38:19.760and i want to make this right or what have you and and take their their licks that sense still
02:38:26.560applies very very heavily today in our culture um you know i realized i framed a lot of
02:38:38.800I framed some things, but I didn't really answer the question of what you can do today in terms of vengeance.
02:38:45.440And honestly, there's oftentimes nothing you can do.
02:38:49.660Sometimes, there's subtle things you can do, but getting a complete compensation the way you want is very difficult.
02:38:58.660And again, the idea was you're restoring something and it was always beyond just yourself.
02:39:07.260The individual wasn't nearly as important as we make it out to be.
02:42:32.420tell me what this is i don't know it's a parabola i don't know the math term but there's the thing
02:42:38.700where a line will trend closer and closer and closer and closer to the other line
02:42:46.380without ever actually touching it and that's kind of the thing we always want to be more perfect in
02:42:53.600our understanding of the gods and know them better but at the end of the day they are gods
02:42:59.540and we are people and it doesn't work quite like that and if there were any asterisks to the
02:43:07.660statement i think there's certainly an asterisk in the sense of certainly we will not have a
02:43:16.460perfect understanding of our gods in this this existence in midgard now if the gods choose to
02:43:23.920elevate us to something more than we are after that still i don't think we'll come to a perfect
02:43:30.880understanding but i do think our understanding will get closer to it i think through right
02:43:37.280action through spiritual growth through the gift cycle we will always get to a
02:43:44.640better understanding towards the gods all right can you say that word yeah that's what i was looking
02:43:52.640see i knew it was a thing but i didn't know the word and now i do
02:44:01.380so um we are getting a closer understanding of mathematics
02:44:06.220no thank you for finding that nick good on you it's fun what do you what do you think about
02:44:12.880will we ever you know if we try hard enough will we ever fully understand the gods
02:44:17.560um no and my my reasoning comes from the soul the i
02:44:24.840our soul and our soul components are reliant upon the the gods and they are fragmentary i think
02:44:35.720i think that our our reckoning and understanding because the question is again fully understanding
02:44:42.600is that um by our very nature we are um fragments that are affected by and and need components to
02:44:55.640remain via the gods and i don't think that we as these fragmentary pieces will ever get to truly
02:45:03.960understand the entirety of like what is the soul of the gods um what is you know odin's
02:45:11.320soul or thor's soul um we don't get that's that's on a that's another hierarchy level that we just
02:45:20.360don't transcend that um perhaps we could understand the very nature of our own souls
02:45:26.920or the very nature of say the souls of our people um and that transcendence does i think elevate us
02:45:34.920but if there's i think there's a threshold where you just don't go into understanding
02:45:41.320um the entirety of that which your very ability to understand hinges on them that piece that you
02:45:49.300gain the on of your soul is the is the the the keystone it's the linchpin that
02:45:57.580you know your entire understanding is built on so um you never quite get a get a chance to see
02:46:04.180beyond that and I I just don't think I mean I don't know I don't think that's a bad thing
02:46:09.400If that's, um, you know, something worth saying, you know, I, I would love to ponder the, I guess the possibilities, but, um, you know, understanding, I think understanding ourselves and understanding our folk is a much loftier, um, thing to then to try to understand the entirety of the gods.
02:58:11.680So I'm going to, I guess I got to throw on the monkey suit or what have you.1.00
02:58:15.720Honestly, if that reminds them of Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, good.
02:58:20.840It reminds them of pious people that are out there doing religion.
02:58:24.600The reason that I'm wearing it is the same reason that they are. You dress your very best when you're representing your God or your gods. And that's absolutely the reason that both Swan and myself are doing that right at the moment.
02:58:40.880And, you know, good. That's one of the really nice things to experience as a go-fi is other people.
03:11:54.000And in understanding starting from the gods and working down,
03:11:58.520ironically, you start from the most simple understanding of humans
03:12:04.200and assume the gods are the very best of us and that we reflect them in some way.
03:12:10.440They are so very much more than us, and I don't mean any impiety in saying and suggesting otherwise.
03:12:19.180But we believe very much, this is the point of polytheism,
03:12:22.820is that our gods are individual conscious beings.
03:12:27.220As such, Svahn's go-to in linguistics is better than mine.
03:12:38.140Svahn is not the go-thee of linguistics, and I'm the go-thee of, I don't know, drinking IPAs.
03:12:45.960It doesn't work that way, though it's something that I happen to do more than Svahn, because he's not a drinker,
03:12:53.200and Svan happens to do the other better than I do, doesn't mean I can't learn about linguistics or Svan can't have a beer.
03:13:04.440It's a very linear thinking that denies the scope of our gods.
03:13:11.300Now, depending upon where you live and what you did, certainly if we're going to look, Odin is a more prominent god of kingship than other gods.
03:14:01.040So many of Odin's names, of the Hethi for Odin, or Heriafather, the father of the war band.
03:14:12.080And so many bands of warriors are throughout Aryan religion are devoted to Odin.
03:14:20.200Really good book. The One-Eyed God talks about that a lot, and it's really, really cool and really well done.
03:14:32.440But there's a lot of bands of warriors that are specific to Odin, the tradition of the Ofednar and of the Berserker.
03:14:42.080are thought to be odin cultists um the idea of throwing the spear before battle to the vote
03:14:49.920you know the whatever's gained from the enemy host towards the all-father is is a very
03:14:57.520traditional thing to suggest that odin's not a war god is is just not historically sound um
03:15:05.920But yes, Tyr is also a god of war. The two aren't mutually exclusive. So I think it's strange to put that. Back to your original question, yes, linguistically, Odin and Tyr go back to very different linguistic words.
03:15:24.940Tyr goes back to the very concept of a god itself and the idea of a bright sky, whereas Wodenaz goes back to the idea of the woad, the fury, the ecstasy.
03:15:41.700so odin is a you know in the most literal sense a more magical esoteric inspiration frenzy like
03:15:54.780overcome with divine ecstasy god whereas tear is is more of a you know over overarching
03:16:05.380pillar of divinity both of them go back to that linguistic root when you try to compare them though
03:16:13.340to real but when you try to compare any of the icier to cognates in
03:16:19.480the hellenic or the roman faith it just doesn't quite work cleanly and it's one of the that's
03:16:30.100probably the hardest Arian branch to find real direct one-for-one identity between the Aesir
03:16:40.060and the Alenquians. It works differently, and I think that they both come from the same root.
03:16:46.080And again, if we assume that these are the same personages, the same personalities,
03:16:52.020then how that sorts out is a little bit different but but yeah no they're they're different and
03:17:02.880there doesn't the idea that the gods never told us there is a sky father we decided one day that
03:17:10.140linguistically we're going to call a certain god in each pantheon a sky father and that's what
03:17:15.840we're going to go with. Don't get that mistaken. Our gods didn't do that. We did that as a way to
03:17:23.160better understand our gods. Our gods can sort that out however they want. We have many gods
03:17:28.860associated with the sky. I mean, Svan talked about the Stormfather today in reference to Asa Thor.
03:17:35.840In some ways, he's very much a sky god. His might is exhibited almost exclusively in the sky
03:17:43.460in the cognates and the linguistics of the thunderer.
03:28:53.880No, I only know him from the internet side of things, and I like a lot of what he posts,
03:29:03.960But I see something in him. There's either two things. Either he is attempting to keep the priority of saving the West as the highest priority, and therefore he will cater to Christian idealism and Ausatru ideals. He'll do both.
03:29:27.580But if that was the case, it's kind of odd. I think the more tragic possibility is that he has a calling in his blood for one way, which is the way of his ancestors.
03:29:45.580But he's battling with a lot of the fear that that Christianity places on people in which you the caveat, of course, beings that you're going to go to a bad place if you abandon the covenant of Yahweh and and astray from the God of the Israelites.
03:30:04.140It's a good thing that you brought that up because it brought something to mind from the dinner that I had.
03:30:10.020This is one of the standouts that we did talk about a little bit.
03:30:15.580And I think this is why there's some of the ambiguity.
03:30:23.160Please do not hold him to this or whatever.
03:30:25.980This is not the definitive what his view on the world is.
03:30:29.600But this seemed relevant to me when we were talking.
03:30:37.300Sweden has been an atheist country for a very long time.
03:30:41.820um most of us over here you know i'm i'm not sure how old marcus is i'm you know 43 as of last week
03:30:51.240people my age here in the united states or you know
03:30:56.820often our parents were probably raised religious if not our grandparents were definitely raised
03:31:08.760religious. In Sweden, you're at least another generation, if not two, removed from that
03:31:19.240regular piety. Swedish Christians, and there's obviously exceptions. I'm sure there are thousands0.53
03:31:28.740of exceptions. But as a rule, people will go to church to get married. Some others who
03:31:38.420really pious will go to church on christmas or easter because it's what you do and it's kind of
03:31:44.820an event but you don't have the same piety that you have in some other nations it's it's largely
03:31:51.300a very godless nation overall so i think that approaching the religion from a very philosophical
03:32:00.580atheist kind of place it's very different i think religion is a very unfamiliar thing
03:32:08.420for him, so I think that's how he addresses it a little bit. It's more of a concept than a living
03:32:15.140thing that he experiences. I think it's something that he's sympathetic to and would like to
03:32:20.560experience, but there's a lot of people in our circles, especially younger people, that have
03:32:26.240never been particularly religious, so they understand from reading that religion is important.
03:32:33.300They do a lot of studying about religion, but they don't have a lot of participation in religion experience, so it's a more difficult transition to become piously religious for them, and it's an entirely different, I guess, starting point than a lot of us, for what it's worth.
03:33:03.300Yeah, I, I see that battle in a lot of people. And I think one of the things that when I, when I see it, I, I see Christians kind of drag on him. Cause again, he's, he's breaking covenant with Yahweh whenever he denotes any sort of pride towards the gods of his people.0.98
03:33:24.120um and it's very sad but what i see when i see him kind of leaning on more of the christian side
03:33:32.360i don't see a reason to denounce him what i see is that i i wish that aussitrew had more of an
03:33:40.020availability i wish that there was an aussitrew folk assembly hoff there i wish there was a place
03:33:45.600that he could go speak to gothar watch them as they bless his child when they you know they come
03:33:51.640into the world that there was a community built around it so that's one thing i definitely noticed
03:33:57.820between that dichotomy is whenever he brings up any sort of faith based about the gods and his
03:34:04.800people he gets trounced on by the by the christians because that's what they're trained to do to do
03:34:10.000because they're very very scared of the rules of yahweh and um but on our side i think it's more
03:34:19.580of a call. We need to have reclamation. We need to have more. We need to build more to give people
03:34:28.840like him the ability to take on the faith of his ancestors with confidence, with structure. And
03:34:35.600that's what we're doing in the AFA. I mean, it's so different to be Ausitru. And I've been Ausitru
03:34:41.180since the 90s. And then for suddenly there to be baby naming ceremonies in a hoff. There's a
03:34:47.760There's a community of people that are all interlinked, that we go out on vacations with each other, and we go on picnics with each other outside of, you know, religious events. It's so different, and people, I feel like a lot of Ossetruer can't conceptualize it that way, and a lot of Christians don't want us to get that that way, because that really does pose a significant threat.0.67
03:35:13.220it's, it's kind of like that, that joke that when you're doing farming, you know, this is the
03:35:18.060revolution that people don't want you to be in, you know, they want you to be out there, you know,
03:35:21.780trying to burn things down, and they don't want you having a family and being pious and, and,
03:35:26.460and farming or, or, you know, and having traditional values or what have you. I think
03:35:31.120the revolution that we're doing, the real thing they don't want us to do is have that infrastructure.
03:35:36.340They don't want us to look respectable. They don't want us to be pious and look at the,
03:35:40.480look at the gods, um, with, you know, seriousness that we're not, we're not LARPing. We're not
03:35:46.840archetypes or archetyping the gods. We're not doing any of that. And so I really wish there
03:35:54.080was more for him there. Uh, we are, you know, again, a growing faith coming back in our people.
03:36:00.900Um, but I, I, I'm proud when he does stuff to honor the gods and his ancestors. Um, and when
03:36:08.740does some of the christian stuff i always just remind myself any christian european who is
03:36:14.820speaking about the synonymousness of christianity with europe is there is a vast difference between
03:36:21.380a european christian and an african christian and an eastern oriental christian and what they're
03:36:27.460really clinging on to is the european because the christianity part is the one thing that again
03:36:33.940doesn't care about borders doesn't care about culture doesn't care about it's it's universal
03:36:39.620so whether it's korean jesus or dreadlock jesus or viking pajama jesus it doesn't matter
03:36:46.900to them in the long run and i think that's inherently one of the problems um that he's
03:36:51.860battling with um so yeah i don't know that's cool that you gotta have a meal with him i i i liked
03:36:59.460a lot of his stuff um especially back when i was uh before i got kicked off of facebook
03:37:06.260so that was that was all right but um yeah i haven't seen much i did i did hear he had
03:37:12.180a child and i was super super happy for him agreed so here's an interesting question
03:37:21.780also from the wolf throne and yes you are the only one who has asked questions tonight
03:37:25.940outside of the original question obviously that over the side we appreciate your questions they're
03:37:30.340good questions a conspiratorial question do you think cannabis being harmless and the demonization
03:37:38.580of alcohol is left-wing propaganda i've noticed a push for cannabis in recent years similar to
03:37:45.380how cigarettes were pushed in commercials back in the old days as for alcohol could it be that
03:37:50.980alcohol is demonized because of his european tradition we know alcohol is harmful if abused
03:37:56.900but the demonization of it today seems very intentional weed good alcohol bad is the current
03:38:02.660narrative and that narrative is being confirmed by science but science also confirms gender
03:38:09.300identity so science clearly has a mark marxist agenda what do you think so there's one well
03:38:20.180there's there's what does matt think and there's like afa doesn't have a huge position on weed
03:38:26.580um our position is don't do illegal stuff if weed is legal where you're at
03:38:34.420is what it is be in control of yourself don't let substances make you act in a way that's ignoble
03:38:40.980and bad but we don't have some kind of hard line weed policy the thing that's frustrating
03:38:47.220that you point out i think there's a lot of first no and i don't see the same
03:38:56.360weed good alcohol bad thing where i'm at um
03:39:02.040alcohol is very culturally ingrained where weed isn't weed is very ingrained in a particular
03:39:11.600kind of subculture or a number of subcultures but it's not woven into the fabric of western
03:39:18.160civilization the same way the thing is and this is with science on all the things you mentioned
03:39:28.400we were lied to for a very long time about weed
03:39:31.280and when you know you've been lied to about it it's very easy to immediately rush the opposite
03:39:42.500direction and I think that's what we see a lot with the flat earth people we see an evolution
03:39:50.300of something to where people recognize a pattern of trusted authority lying to them over and over
03:40:00.560and over again. And so they have a complete break with trusted authority, and they immediately go
03:40:07.120the opposite direction, no matter what anyone says. Like, ah, if science says this, I'm going
03:40:14.820the opposite way, no matter what. And I'm very sympathetic to it. I've seen that a lot
03:40:21.720in recent years, and I don't trust a lot of quote-unquote science lately, especially in
03:40:31.520terms of medical science because of what you mentioned, also because of the positions on
03:40:38.800COVID and the vaccinations and the stuff. Science has been heavily, heavily politicized
03:40:45.680and likely has been for a long time we talk about the marijuana situation it's hard to have grown up
03:40:54.320when i did when you know weed is the worst thing ever and people go out and do this crazy mayhem
03:41:02.560on it and all this you know it's this gateway it's this horrible horrible thing until one day
03:41:09.120the government decides it's not and then like, no, it's just fine. It's very hard, you know,
03:41:15.560like were you lying to me then or are you lying to me now? And so I get all the distrust. I
03:41:20.300personally don't think it's a big deal. I don't think it's some horrible situation. I don't think
03:41:27.480it's particularly bad for you. I also don't advocate it. I have tried it numerous times
03:41:38.520in my life i haven't gotten much out of it and have no desire to do that i could see a lot where
03:41:47.720i've seen it the benefits of it have been in people who have chronic pain stuff and people
03:41:54.520who have like medical things where they really need an appetite and don't have one um so in those
03:42:02.280kind of applications as far as, you know, either medical use or self care for you taking
03:42:08.660care of yourself with joints or with nausea, if you, if you have various medical things
03:42:14.100or need to put on weight or various, it's got stuff that's beneficial to it like anything
03:42:19.600else. But no, I don't, I don't think it is all left as propaganda. There've been people
03:42:26.100who have been trying to get the legalization of it, at least here in the United States
03:42:30.900for a very very long time it's just hard because i think with like so many things both sides are
03:42:39.220dishonest so you never know what to do when both sides are not telling you the truth
03:42:47.540you're victim to all kind of craziness and we see that all the time i don't fault everybody0.99
03:42:52.820who comes up with an oddball theory because we do that we need patterns and nature of whores0.50
03:42:59.540a vacuum if the quote-unquote authorities don't give you honest things then you have to figure it
03:43:07.780out for yourself the best you can and that's not always accurate but at least it's at least you're
03:43:12.500honest about it that you know hey i don't know what to do so i'm looking for something but i've
03:43:17.700run into that a lot with medical stuff no i don't think i don't i don't think the weed thing is a
03:43:24.340secret leftist plot to have weed mess us all up but you know you never know and i'm not i'm not
03:43:30.980that guy i've never been you know i've never been really into pot that's not my thing uh swan do you
03:43:35.860have any thoughts on that yeah um i was gonna go into so looking into um mind-altering drugs and
03:43:47.060religion one of the interesting things about the aryan people is that there has been kind of a
03:43:53.060four-pillared system of these substances um first and foremost we've got alcohol it's and this is
03:44:00.660we have carried this with us all the way to the west um but they're finding evidence to and
03:44:06.500there's already been kind of they're not finding evidence there's uh some of that with like um
03:44:12.820the lesser known indica um and the smoking of um marijuana in like i believe they found it
03:44:20.660in a in a scythian burial tomb where they found a sacral brassier that had indica burned in it
03:44:27.620um and then of course we talk about the other two pillars so there's there's the alcohol and the
03:44:31.620indica and then there is the uh aminata muskara which is in the north of the uh steps where i
03:44:40.980think you know the centrals where our folk come from and in the south literally springing from
03:44:46.660the cattle is the psilocybin so the way that it was premised was there's these four pillars of
03:44:52.740these substances especially in relation to the aryan people the the the amanada mushroom of
03:44:58.980the northern cold the psilocybin of the southern south with with the um uh production from cattle
03:45:06.420alcohol and indica and these four things seem to be utilized by our people at various degrees
03:45:13.220as as nature allowed but one of those is not dependent on the environment so much and that's
03:45:22.100alcohol so i think that's why it pervades in our culture more than anything because it was it was
03:45:28.420you know it was transferable it didn't rely on soil you know it kind of you could use multiple
03:45:34.100things whether it's rye or barley or honey or whatever in order to make it um so alcohol uh
03:45:41.780clearly has a higher station um i actually abstain from drinking i don't drink only in bloat and in
03:45:49.620symbol um so i mean i do that because i you know various issues that i have with alcohol i do not
03:45:58.100smoke weed i don't uh partake in that either but um you know both sides i you know it's like they
03:46:04.180both have their dangers and both have their issues so like i was here ago they said really you know
03:46:09.060controlling yourself and not being ignoble if i find myself being ignoble when i inhib or inhibit
03:46:16.340my mind overly much with a drug i felt it duty incumbent upon me to stop that because it would
03:46:24.340hurt my family it would hurt my church it would hurt everyone so i decided no that's not the way
03:46:29.860i want to go um so you know when they push this kind of stuff it really comes down to us teaching
03:46:38.180our folk that um you know the the ability to look at their actions and what they're doing
03:46:44.740um if you can drink and not have bring you know dishonor to your folk there's nothing really
03:46:51.140wrong with it at all um and i i would say the same i would encourage maybe from a historical
03:46:57.700standpoint for folk to look at indica versus sativa that because sativa is kind of like tobacco
03:47:04.500it's a um a new world uh continental herb that are this is like the viking diet stuff
03:47:13.940yeah no i know but it's it we're intoxicant imperialists as well well no no one thing
03:47:21.700that i would get to though is is um more along the lines that it's it seems to be um
03:47:29.060um, that there's a, I do believe in like ethno botany. I do believe that say, like, for instance,
03:47:36.940people that are from the bread basket of Europe, Ukraine, they do seem to be able to digest, uh,0.93
03:47:43.840wheats far, uh, with a far better efficiency than people in the far, far North who don't get a lot
03:47:49.860of bread in their diet. And so I do feel like there's like some merit to that. I'm not saying
03:47:55.360that if you're from the north, you shouldn't, you know, eat a loaf of, you know, like have a slice
03:47:59.800of bread or anything like that. I'm not going that far, but I do think that if we were to talk about
03:48:04.600it, I think indica may have a kind of a more regional sense. Maybe it won't. Some people
03:48:12.000speak about it affecting them terribly either way, but sativa is an interesting, when you look
03:48:17.560at new world herbs and stuff like that, that's a whole nother thing. And I'm kind of dragging it
03:48:21.360into toxicant sub uh substances and and religious lore but it depends on what you're doing are you
03:48:29.600trying to get high are you trying to relax and get into a little bit you know better place are
03:48:36.400you trying to treat you know something that ails you are you trying to you know journey to the
03:48:43.520spirit world what are you trying to do there's probably different stuff and i'll say this i know
03:48:49.040they do different things nowadays they've gotten very very advanced with hey this strain does x to
03:48:57.360you this is good for relaxation this is good for making you giddy this is good for partying this
03:49:03.920is good for you know reading and medic it's a there is a type of marijuana for anything you
03:49:12.960want to do as far as the afa is concerned follow the laws in the state or country that you live in
03:49:20.560um but as far as you know other stuff's concerned just be safe and don't let things take control
03:49:28.800of you be the master of inspiration and not mastered by it right you want to stay in the
03:49:35.920driver's seat um but yeah so on something that's kind of interesting also by the wolf throne and
03:49:45.760there's a couple other people that ask questions so it's not just you ah before i do it otg mike
03:49:51.440bought us two coffees thank you we appreciate it um these are not real coffees i was asking
03:49:59.120nick where i could cash in and get my copies they're not the figurative coffees we appreciate
03:50:06.400them and uh no seriously all you guys donations allow us to do what we do thank you guys so much
03:50:13.680um coffees is just ten dollars it's five dollars a piece come on it's just fun
03:50:21.600i could use one right now though it is it is fun all right so what are your thoughts on julius0.99
03:50:27.680evola's race of the soul concept do you believe in it i'm skeptical but we all know that one black
03:50:34.880guy who's the whitest black guy you've ever met however it could just be upbringing it has nothing
03:50:59.040it's interesting but it comes up against a fundamental worldview difference
03:51:12.000So, in the Ask True Folk Assembly, we believe that each race of people are distinct and have their own standards, their own destiny, their own gods, their own stuff.
03:51:30.440And we don't presume to dictate that for them.
03:51:36.860we don't value members of different races by how white they are
03:51:44.540now i think instinctively we recognize things that we find familiar
03:51:48.860or traits that we value amongst ourselves when we see those in different people
03:51:55.340but fundamentally we don't construct some hierarchy to where their goodness or badness
03:52:01.020is their relation to their similarity to us. It just doesn't work that way. That's up for them
03:52:08.240to work that out. What is interesting, and I do think is the case within Aryan people, sometimes0.94
03:52:20.320Sometimes the, just as we said earlier, we see in the lore a lot, the idea that nobility
03:52:32.940manifests itself through beauty, that sometimes character and inherent nobility displays itself
03:52:44.980genetically and physically. I think there is something to that. I don't think it's a hard
03:52:50.600fast rule, but I do think those kinds of traits get passed on genetically and can display
03:52:58.500in increased beauty and increased level of perfection. It's very easy to take that and be
03:53:07.300a jerk if you look good and somebody else looks like crap and you want to like assume it means0.99
03:53:13.060you've got the more aristocratic soul than them there's a lot of other factors that come into play1.00
03:53:19.220also so it's dangerous to jump out there too far but
03:53:23.620so i counter signal evola a lot on here and i don't mean to because he is probably my favorite
03:53:36.000philosopher i genuinely some of the most just coolest learning i've done in my life was going
03:53:45.280on this this quest to read everything that julius evola ever wrote that's been translated into
03:53:51.040english and i've done that and i you know i've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours reading evola
03:53:59.120and if all of a sudden there was a whole bunch of new italian or french editions that got translated
03:54:04.640in the english i would buy those today and read them so it's no disrespect at all but a lot of it
03:54:11.040does have to do you you have to put the context to where he was and what he thought i say that
03:54:16.400about a lot of aussituary heroes i don't believe the same way that um maestro guido von liszt or
03:54:23.600that alexander rudd mills thought because i'm in a position where i know things that they didn't i
03:54:31.600have access to materials they didn't and things have moved forward in a lot of ways and doesn't
03:54:37.440devalue them at all so with evil i think some of his ideas are really interesting but he dealt very
03:54:46.000much with different kinds of europeans and he saw nobility in eastern peoples but without a great
03:54:57.520deal of interaction and familiarity and i think at that time it was very
03:55:03.520fashionable to look towards exotic things most of to my understanding most of evola's
03:55:13.280interaction with eastern people was it filtered through other white people
03:55:18.880that talked to him in aristocratic circles in europe and so
03:55:27.520when he saw commonality he thought it raised these people above the normal
03:55:35.920the typical standard of that race of people
04:04:43.560And I think our God's souls are advanced to the point that that doesn't have that same level of destruction.
04:04:51.380Now, when we're dealing in cosmic time of billions and billions of years,
04:04:55.760I think it would be ignorant to, you know, suppose what that indicates, but our gods are alive. Our gods are as old as our race is. Certainly, our gods will live as long as we do.
04:05:15.220that's as close to an understanding of immortality as i think makes any functional sense
04:05:24.500swan what do you have to add on that um i believe because i've been thinking about this a lot since
04:05:31.780our last um episode where we're talking about um the cognizance of the soul and and the idea of
04:05:39.460of of and becoming an ancestor and whether our cognizance travels over into you know the next
04:05:46.340life if you will and that whole subject but i think this kind of applies here too i believe
04:05:50.820that our gods are not immortal but are eternal so the cognizance of the gods i believe can end
04:06:03.380in certain circumstances in the stories that they've laid out for us uh that lord odin's
04:06:10.260cognizance of being lord odin may end the moment that he coalesces with the the pure chaotic force
04:06:19.700of ragnarok but will he continue to be or become again something else beyond ragnarok i do believe
04:06:28.260and i think they are eternal that way also that's the kind of the difference between the death of
04:06:33.300balder versus ragnarok there is the death of balder where he remains his cognizance to then
04:06:39.860retain his throne but there is a level of death that i think we can't understand amongst the gods
04:06:46.180that may remove their cognizance but nothing in the universe gets removed removed like it gets
04:06:53.700transformed, just like I said, and that's kind of what I mean by eternal versus immortal.
04:07:00.820Yeah, and to that effect, if there is no danger to them, then there is no catalyst that makes
04:07:09.140things move forward. And there's clearly that, and we see that throughout our lore that they're
04:07:14.100under threat. So clearly harm can come to them in some way. But I don't think that they're stuck in
04:07:22.100an age situation like they get old and die we see them being renewed by by the apples of a doom um
04:07:33.220i don't think they like get old and die can they be killed or or
04:07:39.700damaged or dethroned in some way perhaps but i think again their consciousness survives that
04:07:47.060process in a way that's not guaranteed to us due to the nature of their godhood
04:07:56.020but i think at some point that becomes so very very far outside of our our existence or our
04:08:04.820understanding i'm sure in reality it plays out a little bit differently than either of
04:08:10.020that in a way that we don't quite understand or have words for um
04:08:18.580matt and svan are we doomed as a race at this given moment will european whites be bred out of
04:08:25.060existence no and no um no i mean is the thought scary absolutely are there things that you know
04:08:36.980is that under threat and greatly being diminished by demographic things in the world and immigration
04:08:43.860patterns and such absolutely is there forces in the world that seek to have that happen certainly
04:08:52.340but no we're not doing i think we we do that too much we do that to ourselves we see so much
04:09:00.980negativity and chaos around us and we start looking down we don't hold our head up and we
04:09:07.060start losing hope the lack of hope is killing our young men and i won't further that and i won't
04:09:13.700support that in any way no we're not doing we have the agency and ability to fix all of those things
04:09:22.100and we're all doing that individually and in the afa we're doing our best to do that collectively
04:09:28.500um certainly those things are big threats you're right and there's some places that
04:09:34.580um that's terribly happened the intentional breeding out of a race of people is
04:09:42.900um that is a genocide by the understanding of the united nations and that's wrong and we see
04:09:52.920that happening places. But no, that's not going to happen to us as a whole. No, we're not doomed
04:09:59.860to that. We need to be aware of it and do the best we can to have that not be the case.
04:10:07.720But I think that's brought to our attention all the time and negativity is thrown in our face
04:10:15.580on social media all day, every day. We think that problem is worse than it is. Not that it's not
04:10:21.940very significant. Of course it is. But I mean, look around you, you know, white people, you see
04:10:29.300white people, you see white people, you see white kids. It's a thing. Is it, you know, do you see0.67
04:10:35.860less of it than you might at a different time, depending on where you live? Absolutely. But
04:10:41.060also depending on where you live, you can find yourself in a very homogenous community. So
04:10:49.480no we're not doomed yes we should be aware of it but no i don't think that's the destiny of our
04:10:55.820folk and uh we're doing what we can to make sure that's not going to happen and it's not the case
04:11:00.940we're doing our best with it you know i'm trying to do my part i put my part to bed a couple of0.73
04:11:08.720hours ago you know all of us that are out there who are you know have a white spouse and are making
04:11:15.160you know beautiful white children that's how we do that and that moves it you know one generation0.55
04:11:20.460forward swan do you have anything to add on that i would just say that um uh the doom or the thought
04:11:28.760of the doom should be something that motivates you to do things in defiance of um but never be
04:11:36.280to commandeer you if you are not making headway that doesn't mean that the doom is winning but
04:11:42.800got to try everything you can to stand in defiance of it um just like i was here ago they said you
04:11:47.840know like we uh my my children they uh learn who they are as people um they learn how to interact
04:11:56.240with other people um but they understand who they are who they belong to their identity and then we
04:12:02.960know we do things like uh recently we started doing these hour-long walks before bed and um
04:12:09.840and then my wife kind of came up with this whole thing about like oh we got to say three things
04:12:14.720that we're grateful for for the day and i was like man this is the most wholesome like white bread
04:12:20.320white pill thing i've ever i've seen but that was that that was it it was the defiance despite the
04:12:27.840doom or what we were told about and if if enough of us do that if enough of us accept that and make
04:12:35.040that our our go-to instead of just being beaten no i definitely don't think it'll stick but it
04:12:41.840really does it requires us to to kind of shake off that mantle of dread and start having those
04:12:48.880hour-long walks before bedtime with the kids and and thankfulness and and making them you know
04:12:55.280proud that you're their parents and and um you know knowing that they're going to go into a world
04:13:00.960that's not um that is filled with that kind of doom and dread and they can fight and stand in
04:13:06.560defiance because they saw their parents do it so that's a big one um
04:13:15.360question do you guys have a decent amount of members in michigan because when i check the
04:13:19.280afa website i hardly ever see any moots going on in michigan we have 12 members in michigan right
04:13:25.920now you should join we will have 13 um all depends on what you mean a decent number of members or
04:13:37.040not we just recently have a uh man i mean a young man step up to be a folk builder in michigan which
04:13:43.440is awesome i think he got referenced over in the side uh chris um last name because i have not
04:13:55.280met him i don't know if it's sabic or savage but he is folk building there and he would be able to
04:14:04.480hook you up i think eric already connected you but c s-a-v-i-c-h at runestone.org and i want to
04:14:16.160just double check and make sure i didn't get that wrong for you we do have stuff going on in michigan
04:14:22.080for a really long time uh john rock has been organizing our guys in michigan and sometimes
04:14:28.160yeah i was right anyways thank you nick um john will host things there and is in connection with
04:14:36.320those guys too so he's another guy you may want to talk to i'm not sure say i'm not sure that's
04:14:43.520lazy of me i can find out pretty close because i'm trying to check and make sure whether chris
04:14:49.200is in the upper peninsula or not michigan is michigan has got a ridiculous geography no he
04:14:57.280is not so we do not have a guy in the upper peninsula i would suggest those guys get together
04:15:01.920with folks in wisconsin but um yeah chris is around the grand rapids area so yeah we got
04:15:10.320stuff going on we would love to have more it all starts with people getting together and actually
04:15:16.320doing stuff that's how we grow and that's how we do things so you know please i'd encourage you to
04:15:23.840think about that to reach out to chris and if you if you like what we do if you share our beliefs
04:15:28.960if you're a heterosexual white person and you'd like to come home to
04:15:33.680our gods and stand with us we'd love to have you um also i just see kind of in the chat i'm
04:15:40.800I'm skipping a question. I am going to answer it here in a second. AFA, Pennsylvania, question
04:15:46.240marks. Absolutely, we got AFA in Pennsylvania. Matter of fact, Frazehoff is going to be in
04:15:52.620Pennsylvania when we get it, or perhaps in Ohio. So we're looking at, there's kind of a triangle
04:15:59.280that we're looking at. This is not a promise, but this is where we're looking. So there's a
04:16:06.740triangle between Erie, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh. That's kind of the sweet spot we're looking
04:16:14.140at. So it could be outside of that, but that's kind of where we're thinking about perhaps
04:16:20.480putting Frazehoff, and that's going to be the next Hoff we get, and that isn't, you
04:16:25.360know, possibly in Pennsylvania, if not right over the border, but it's either going to
04:16:29.800be western pennsylvania or eastern ohio um yeah and this next point now over on the side we have
04:16:38.220some very good friends we actually have a new apprentice folk builder ryan fenton
04:16:42.680but we also have uh long-term afa members and dear friends of ours the ericsons uh witten
04:16:50.360clifford erickson and his wife githya katie erickson are also there they're over in the erie
04:16:55.140area and then last question of the evening from the wolf throne I like to
04:17:06.900watch Acharya G a lot and he always says a person cannot truly claim to be
04:17:12.120spiritual if they drink alcohol do you have any counter argument to this yeah0.94
04:17:18.540that's dumb I don't know that's the thing there's no like great intellectual0.76
04:17:24.180argument no that's counter a great vast swath of spirituality is experienced0.99
04:17:36.500with in conjunction with or enhanced by alcohol or some other substance that helps
04:17:45.860access that to claim otherwise is just not true in a blanket statement that said i would never
04:17:52.020it would never occur to me to say you can't be a spiritual person if you don't drink alcohol
04:17:59.060and it's equally preposterous to say that drinking alcohol you can't be a spiritual person that's0.86
04:18:05.940silly and and just kind of kind of needlessly arrogant um the practice of consuming specifically
04:18:17.940alcohol has been associated with spirituality of all of our aryan ancestors since the very0.95
04:18:25.860earliest of times no matter which branch of that you choose you know in the in the hindu tradition
04:18:34.340and the vedic tradition they talk about drinking the soma and what that does we don't know the
04:18:41.060exact formulation of the soma and i think there are other psychedelic elements perhaps to it
04:18:46.100But that's a commonality throughout all branches of our faiths is the enhancement of a spiritual condition through consumption of alcohol.
04:19:01.840Doesn't mean you have to do it, but it's certainly a common thing. It's something that is richly consumed that we've seen through, you know, pretty much all of our lore.
04:19:15.840um it was something remarkable when when the romans encountered us was the drinking rituals
04:19:23.520amongst the germanic tribes and how essential that was to you know allowing them to to access0.61
04:19:31.280the spiritual um yeah that's he's just very wrong and kind of ignorant to throw that out there in
04:19:40.560such a such an absolute way that level of abstinence from um intoxicants and from meat
04:19:53.120and other things isn't isn't present at the core of of our faith that's a relatively
04:20:02.640i don't know that's kind of a hindu specific practice and i don't think it's shared by
04:20:07.440all of that faith, or by sister branches of that development of our faith. It certainly
04:20:15.080isn't in the original version of the Vedic version of that, and it doesn't hold true
04:20:22.040to any of the descendant Arian spirituality in Europe at all. And it's just not true.
04:20:29.940I have a lot of spirituality, and I drink regularly for just because and for, you know, when engaged in spiritual things.
04:20:41.300It's been an important part of ritual, and I've witnessed very spiritual people who consume alcohol, either recreationally or spiritually or both.
04:20:50.940I've also seen ones that don't, but to suggest that none of us who drink are truly spiritual people because he chooses not to is kind of an absurd statement.
04:21:05.780Swan, do you have anything, any thoughts on that?0.94
04:21:07.980I feel like that's a bunch of Oriental gobbledygook.1.00
04:21:12.160And this, and I'll explain why, or at least why I'm using such hard words.1.00
04:21:17.240You know, I think that Oriental religions, especially where they converge with Aryan religions, stray off every once in a while. And one of the cases is something like this, in which they try to separate the ego from the strata, the pluralism of the world.0.54
04:21:39.480And I do, I don't believe that our gods or our ancestors saw that the goal was to separate yourself, but instead to integrate yourself, balance yourself.
04:21:50.640Where does that stop? Does somebody tell you, hey, if you eat meat, you can't be spiritual.
04:21:57.040If you have sex, you can't be spiritual.
04:22:00.420See where this, this starts to remove you from the balance.
04:22:04.860And I think that the fruits of the world, that the Vanir and the gods, the Aesir, the totality of the gods, the fruits of the world that we gain around us are built around us with the most important thing that we are attempting to do.
04:22:22.960And we speak about it all the time in Ausitru.