Asatru Folk Assembly - 7⧸17⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 106 - Hymiskviða

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00:04:00.000 all right guys welcome to another uh exciting edition of victory never sleeps

00:04:18.640 um for those of you that are listening to this later as the opening graphic indicated um

00:04:25.200 I want to mark the passings. This, I think shortly after we went off the air last week, Gophie Thorgren-Oden passed away. Thorgren was one of the very first Austro-Folk Assembly members way back when.

00:04:48.580 um he was outstrew longer than that uh but

00:04:52.620 he got involved with uh steve and sheila very very early on at perhaps one of the very first

00:05:02.300 afa events and uh thorgan and his wife katie have been

00:05:07.140 intimately involved with the afa ever since up to you know up to when he passed beyond the veil

00:05:17.080 And I'm sure he is representing us well to those who passed.

00:05:25.260 I was lucky enough to be Thorgrin's friend for the last 14 years and get a lot of time with him.

00:05:33.520 And I count myself fortunate for that.

00:05:36.480 I'm sure those listening who have shared that experience of his friendship feel that as well.

00:05:42.420 And, yeah, just wanted to honor his passing and let folks know about that this evening.

00:05:54.320 But the tone of the show is not going to be grim, and honestly, the passing of Thorgrin is certainly sad,

00:06:04.100 anybody who knew him well he's valiantly fought against debilitating heart issues and medical

00:06:13.620 issues for a very long time and he has uh got a lot of years that we didn't think we would get

00:06:20.980 with him so i'm very thankful for that that said um tonight swan and i are going to

00:06:34.100 forgive me when i butcher it this one's a little bit harder on the mouth uh perhaps

00:06:40.820 not the son of iceland over there but the hemis vida we're gonna we're gonna go to see the the

00:06:50.420 memorize old norse is paying off you guys should join me there we're having a party just me and

00:06:56.020 three or four other people fighting for the top spot but uh it is sinking in anyways we're gonna

00:07:02.340 to be going through that this evening. Nick can put a link up, but as always, we're going

00:07:08.520 to be using the Bellows translation. Please feel free to use whatever translation you

00:07:14.360 have available or whichever one you prefer. There's always kind of a value to be gained

00:07:19.960 by seeing the different ways certain things are translated. Give you guys a little bit

00:07:27.680 to get that figured out and pull that up and get sorted and get a beverage and get whatever you

00:07:34.160 need so we can dig into the meat of it. As always, the pillar of generosity, Ronald Lake

00:07:45.760 has started the show off right by first buying us coffee, by donating $100 to a folk services fund

00:07:56.140 for a member who's struggling with getting some of his needs, his basic needs met and

00:08:01.860 the $50 towards the Baldershof steeple project is 50. Move that up to 2.55% completion. I'm

00:08:12.200 super excited about the little progress bar on our donation fund stuff. So ooh and ah over that,

00:08:19.640 That is due to the hard work of producer Nick, who makes lots of pretty things for us while we are on the.

00:08:30.420 Oh, never mind. Nick reminds me. So that two point five five is pre Ronald's donation.

00:08:36.920 So that 50 is going to even move that needle closer to where we're trying to get.

00:08:40.360 But as far as pretty stuff that I was saying, someone else who spends a lot of time making pretty stuff for us is Goethe Trent East's lovely wife, Madison.

00:08:51.840 Madison has done a lot with all the products we've been advertising lately, as well as numerous illustration side projects and stuff.

00:09:01.920 We appreciate her hard work.

00:09:03.740 She's put in a lot of time and a lot of effort, and it's kind of neat to watch her work on some of these things from time to time.

00:09:09.960 so thank you very much for that madison um speaking of one of the lovely products she has

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00:10:23.800 donate other ways we've got those in the description to this video so we appreciate

00:10:28.240 that we're making progress on paying off new york's off i just sent another check on top of

00:10:35.020 the the regularly scheduled payment to kill the principal on or to work towards killing that

00:10:41.080 principal so we're doing really good um yeah i don't have the have to stop math a little bit

00:10:49.460 for how much we've cleared this year but quite a bit you guys have been awesome so thank you for

00:10:54.280 that. We're getting closer. Other top of the show stuff that I should mention, here in

00:11:04.920 less than two days, I will be enjoying Sigur Bloat at Sigurheim. That is this coming weekend.

00:11:14.960 That's in Jackson County, Tennessee. If you can make it, you should. It's going to be awesome.

00:11:20.300 we would love to see you there. Please reach out to a folk builder. They will get you set up.

00:11:24.940 That's if you're a member or if you're not a member, I'd love to see you there, meet you.

00:11:28.780 It's going to be a really good time. It's going to be a powerful experience

00:11:32.380 and love to celebrate with you. Other stuff of note coming up a month from now

00:11:40.620 in Murdoch, Minnesota at Baldershof, we'll be celebrating Freyfaxi. So that's coming up August

00:11:47.660 16th through the 18th. Also going to be spectacular. Also would love to see you there.

00:11:55.100 My wife and daughter are going to join me on that, so that's going to be cool. This

00:11:59.020 will be the first time they've gotten to see Baldur's Hof, so I'm very excited about showing

00:12:02.940 it off to them. It is a beautiful and amazing spot. I think that's what we've got as far as

00:12:10.140 top of the program, news and notes. Svahn, what do folks need to know about the Hemiskvita

00:12:22.920 before we dig into it this evening? Sorry, I was muted there. Yeah, this is,

00:12:33.980 I think first and foremost, this is, everyone knows this story. It's Thor's fishing trip

00:12:39.620 is generally what it's uh it is referred to as in um a lot of the books a lot of the uh

00:12:47.860 kind of rewritten english style books um like thor goes to jotunheim or thor goes to giant land

00:12:57.620 this one is named no spoilers yeah no spoilers but on this though kind of off the top i'd like

00:13:06.260 to ask, because it is different, then you'll notice a number of the rest of these are titled.

00:13:13.540 Why is it different? The hemi portion makes sense, the hemi skvida maybe not as much. So

00:13:20.900 what does that break down to etymologically for folks that are wondering why it's titled that?

00:13:27.380 Well, I was going to say one of the biggest issues with this is

00:13:36.260 the usage of this poem and how it presents itself.

00:13:39.320 It's not a song, which is a liodh.

00:13:42.580 So like we talked about Harbar's liodh,

00:13:46.520 that's the singing or the song of.

00:13:51.420 But the usage of the word skvida is odd

00:13:59.320 because it's not used very often.

00:14:02.780 To be honest too, like I wanted to look up exactly

00:14:05.840 the uh the the trusted source that i have here this book that i i reference a lot to kind of

00:14:13.680 make sure because i get a lot of different um interpretations or or translations that i don't

00:14:21.840 know if i you know 100 lock in on i didn't know if you had gotten some sort of um kind of

00:14:29.960 inside or like, cause again, whenever, whenever I go and look at like internet sources, I'm always

00:14:37.440 a little worried because they kind of shift over time where they have like, kind of, they lost

00:14:43.460 their poetic meanings or things of that nature. So I really wanted to look it up, um, because of

00:14:51.080 the nature of how things change. Um, but the one thing about this story that I think everyone

00:14:58.560 needs to know is there is a ton of kennings and kennings are poetic um usage where they

00:15:09.920 will reference other things through um kind of poetic wording it could be for instance and it

00:15:19.520 it may not have a ton of understanding like the ashes of odin not ashes as in like product of

00:15:28.880 fire but the the tree the ash tree and the ashes of odin are mankind or warriors most likely in

00:15:39.920 the usage as as warriors um there is a ton of of cool kennings in here that will be kind of guiding

00:15:49.840 you know folks through um but i yeah i wanted to uh double check on that before and i have that

00:15:58.800 that's kind of one of my things is i don't like to say or shoot from the hip when it comes to

00:16:06.240 certain things because i have found over time these translations especially when we're looking

00:16:11.120 at bellows or hollander or um thorpe they they vary so drastically that i and i feel like sometimes

00:16:21.600 they miss the mark on certain things that i don't ever like to shoot from the hip so and it makes

00:16:26.880 me very very gun shy to um to say one way or another um so best i've gotten was like saying

00:16:37.680 or recitation yeah as a as a poetic yeah that's the thing there's a bunch of different old norse

00:16:47.360 words for to say and so what specific you know what specific slant uh or emphasis this saying

00:16:59.520 is seems to be a poetic a poetic recitation or like an epic poem well a couple of different

00:17:08.880 sources and they're all kind of going back to that yeah they're also it's worth saying

00:17:15.360 noting that it's the recitation of the story of him not the recitation about not him speaking

00:17:26.000 speaking right that's a big one too because uh you people will notice that uh the focus of him

00:17:32.720 in the story is subdued or really i mean in essence he gets punked so and this is more again a story

00:17:43.200 of um the storm father uh thor and tier and this also has some confusion about

00:17:54.000 uh certain things and and i think that people might be a little let down when we

00:18:02.480 i think that we have perhaps maybe a personal view as to where the truth might lie in this

00:18:08.640 but the reality of it is is that snorri in in his compilations he makes some mistakes and or he

00:18:17.280 creates these kind of paradoxes that don't ever get explained and one of them of course too is

00:18:24.160 about the fatherage of lord tier um it's listed elsewhere that tier is the son of odin but then

00:18:33.200 in here it's a huge part of the story hook that he is the son of him and that's what instigates

00:18:42.320 this story to to take place um but yeah let me see uh kind of a final note from me as far as

00:18:51.920 the difference in like saying as far as how it's used in the in the titling when you have the

00:18:59.920 have a mouth that's the speakings the sayings of the high one um whereas this is because it's

00:19:09.360 speaking about is a little bit different and it's more of a recitation of a

00:19:16.480 poem about as opposed to a something coming from and i think that may affect

00:19:22.000 affect the word choice a little bit yeah and it's really kind of um

00:19:29.920 It's so strange because it's not really present in my Old Norse dictionary.

00:19:36.180 So what word are you looking up?

00:19:39.100 Skvida.

00:19:40.380 Skvida.

00:19:42.040 Yeah.

00:19:42.680 The S is... 0.52

00:19:44.060 Skvida. 0.91

00:19:44.700 Skvida.

00:19:45.160 Excuse me.

00:19:45.680 Okay.

00:19:47.340 And it's strange because they use the fancy eye in the place that we are looking at, the website that we are looking.

00:19:58.500 but it's not really a D it's that ed. Yeah. And the, um, the other point that a lot of people,

00:20:07.080 yeah. When you look at the ev letter, which looks like a D with a line through it, um,

00:20:13.100 that one has consistently confused people because there's also the thorn letter

00:20:17.300 that, uh, generally from, from the English speaking ear is not, um, uh,

00:20:29.300 there's no discernment between the two. Uh, the way I've always been explained that it was,

00:20:34.920 was like the difference between the letter S and the letter Z, um, in the way that it affects the

00:20:40.760 throat. The letter S is in the mouth and the letter Z is in the throat. So the difference

00:20:45.280 between thorn thorn being all in the mouth and it's always at the front of the word and then

00:20:51.840 and having a deeper resonation lower but i you know to a lot of folks they they can't hear that

00:21:00.080 the other thing that's also worth noting is the o um with the two dots above it the umlaut

00:21:07.200 is starting to be replaced with an O that has a small little tail, almost like a Q,

00:21:16.000 but simply coming out of the center bottom. It doesn't pass through. But the sound is still

00:21:21.060 the same. It's an O-U kind of like in the word caught or, you know, our A-U and O-U sound caught

00:21:29.940 and sought and things of that nature, that O sound. So that's starting to change as well,

00:21:36.760 even as of now like the usage of it people are moving away from the umlaut oh because of its

00:21:43.320 modern usage and that shows people that we're talking about it in an old norse context so

00:21:50.760 i always just there's a lot of grammatical stuff that is changing and i really just don't like

00:21:57.960 ever you know to to come at it with um with uh

00:22:05.800 like shooting at the hip if you will um because one of the other things like i

00:22:12.040 creed meaning like a womb so when you look at some of the words they're so close together

00:22:18.680 and their usage can change. But, you know, kvíðr could mean pregnancy if you're looking at it

00:22:31.640 wrong. But let me see here. So we have kvíða. Yeah, a ballad, a narrative, or a poem.

00:22:41.720 So, and I think the reciting of is probably one of the better ways to go,

00:22:47.000 Because it states generally in the West when we hear like the ballad of such and such, it's going to be focusing on them.

00:22:58.220 And this is more about the situation around Himir.

00:23:05.800 And I don't want to give any spoilers, but it's...

00:23:08.040 Speaking of the situation around, are we getting to where we'd like to start digging into the meat?

00:23:17.000 Yeah, no, absolutely. And so, you know, there's a couple things about this story that we can go over about the entertainment of it. A lot of the scholars have always felt like it was kind of an odd placement, and there's a ton of Kennings used.

00:23:33.180 Um, and I think this is kind of showing again, that there were multiple storytellers, um, to which the, um, the stories were written down from or, or condensed and turned into poetics.

00:23:49.080 So because you find these kind of rapidly different formats.

00:23:57.620 So, I mean, when you get into this, you're going to see some interesting stuff.

00:24:03.960 And we can talk about both, I think, the poetic and also the metaphysical connotations of this story, because I do believe there are some.

00:24:13.560 But when we move into the recitation of Himir, we start at stanza one, and the beginning doesn't have its own introductory section.

00:24:29.260 In essence, this is the introductory section. It starts to lay very, very quickly the purpose as to why everything else is about to happen.

00:24:41.100 um, the instigation point. And it doesn't really give you any sort of kind of brief

00:24:46.560 synopsis of what's going on. It just throws you right in. Um, so in, in, uh, stanza one,

00:24:55.460 uh, of the, of old, the gods made feast together and drink, they sought air sated. They were

00:25:07.660 twigs they shook and blood they tried rich fair in ayer's hall they found

00:25:16.360 so um obviously that first section of old the gods so really of a long time ago the gods did

00:25:27.880 this um it's kind of placing some time the um drinking together in ire's hall so this is the

00:25:37.560 the setting um one of the things about this to remember the ae is an i sound like icier um and

00:25:47.720 the g is a soft kind of more leaning towards a y like a gy so it's i year um a lot of people say

00:25:57.240 a gear or um eye gear um but it's it's a year actually my my one of my uncles who um uh sadly

00:26:07.880 passed away though but his name was a year um so here they are drinking and feasting there's

00:26:15.160 an interesting point to this and a lot of people argue about it twigs they shook and blood they

00:26:20.360 tried um most likely this is a poetic like hinting towards they uh utilized rooms they cast lots

00:26:33.960 and they sacrificed blood and so that the the usage of the word plout plout is clearly related

00:26:43.320 two and they don't say blood in in the um old norse it says that they they uh the writing tines

00:26:51.240 christo taina og our cloud saw they sought the writing tines which again the runes um and

00:27:02.840 the hlaut the bowl of blood they they brought it about they tested it or they utilized it so

00:27:11.640 So this is a very common thing that during large festivals, large national events, if you will, or large kind of festivities that would take place like at Uppsala or in Berka or elsewhere, they would get together.

00:27:32.660 And a common note of these feasts was that the runes would be read and the bowl would be filled.

00:27:40.980 So there was a lot going on.

00:27:43.840 This indicates the level of feasting.

00:27:47.000 It wasn't always done just at, you know, house events.

00:27:51.780 This is a big event.

00:27:53.460 And they find themselves in Ayers Hall.

00:27:56.640 Now, Ayers Hall is very, very interesting as to where it is.

00:28:00.080 We'll go into that in a little bit.

00:28:02.660 Um, so here we see, uh, the mountain dweller. If you look in the old Norse, I don't know if we referenced, uh, for, for folks, the, the website. Um, cause I make, I'm making references to the old Norse side. Um, I don't know if, uh, Nick had referenced that, but, um, right here in verse two, the mountain dweller sat merry as boyhood.

00:28:28.520 the word is berg buoy so when you see that it's like berg is uh a mountain and buoys to dwell or

00:28:37.160 the dwelling of or living in and this is or seems to be a fair enough um kenning for a jotun

00:28:51.720 one who is descended in this case specifically in the middle world descended from emir

00:28:57.400 So the mountain dweller sat merry as boyhood, but soon, like a blinded man he seemed, the son of Ig gazed in his eyes, and he spoke, 0.57

00:29:14.740 For the gods a feast 0.68

00:29:17.260 Shalt thou forthwith get

00:29:19.760 So the mountain dweller

00:29:24.640 Is 0.98

00:29:26.700 Ayr 1.00

00:29:28.160 A Yotin 1.00

00:29:30.020 And they are 0.98

00:29:31.320 At his hall

00:29:33.200 And his hall is in a very interesting place

00:29:35.320 And he says

00:29:36.800 The son of Ig 1.00

00:29:39.100 And the reason why 1.00

00:29:40.240 Soon like a blind man

00:29:42.180 Basically he's being stared at

00:29:44.180 by Thor, who is the son of Eeg or Oven. Eeg is a, another heighty of Oven. Um, he's staring at him

00:29:53.580 glaringly. So, and he's acting like a, like a blind man. Like he's not, he's, uh, shaken and

00:30:00.540 he doesn't want to look directly at him. And at this point, the storm father says,

00:30:06.600 this is what you're going to do. You're going to hold these feasts with us from here on out.

00:30:12.940 this is gonna be a repeated thing the word wielder toil for the giant worked and so revenge on the

00:30:25.500 gods he sought he babes sifts mate the kettle bring therein for ye all much ale shall i brew

00:30:35.500 okay so this is just a little bit of placement first off the word wielder that's thor um i i

00:30:45.100 know that that throws a lot of people off but the usage of it in the poem makes a lot of sense

00:30:51.260 lord thor is basically throwing a an obligation at ire that from here on out you we are going

00:31:00.620 to continue holding these um these festivities these these um symbols if you will or or um

00:31:08.700 you know great feasts and you're going to host them and it's showing that there's this

00:31:15.980 reluctancy within ayer being the jotun that he is this is an obligation uh that's starting to

00:31:27.260 be set up and so in essence he's saying i can't really do that um unless i have the proper kettle

00:31:40.300 to brew all the ale now it's really really interesting when we think about where ire's

00:31:44.700 hall is ire's hall is in the ocean ire is very much if you were to look at say the difference

00:31:53.180 between poisedon or neptunus and oceanus in the greek framing of things um ire is much like oceanus

00:32:06.940 the uh is the lord of the the the waters whether and the rivers the estuaries the bays and the

00:32:16.620 coastlines ayer is the one that dwells way out in the in the outer guard of in the water and that's

00:32:25.980 where ire has his domain and that's generally how it is always kind of seen is that our holy gods

00:32:32.380 have dominion over places but there are places further out perhaps with no concern and i would

00:32:41.740 argue is because there's no humans there and it's not that the gods need the humans it's that they're

00:32:46.780 a vested interest in us and our connection to them is very is far more uh intimate than i think a lot

00:32:54.540 of people um you know proclaim is you know that the the um the gods don't have like you know a

00:33:01.660 vested interest in humans and we're just doing our own thing i see that a lot in the internet

00:33:06.380 crowds um i think that's not the case i think they're very much connected to the creating order

00:33:14.140 and having a symbiotic relationship with us creating order as well and they're out in the

00:33:20.220 outskirts now they're out there with ayer and deep within the ocean and there is a lot of

00:33:27.740 of possible poetic connections between like the frothy ocean waters and ale. So you kind

00:33:36.880 of see them play on that a little bit. But, uh, so he says to Sif's mate, which is of

00:33:44.400 course, Lord Thor, uh, the kettle, you got to bring me a kettle, uh, there and I can

00:33:49.540 brew uh you know all the ale that would be needed um the far famed ones could find it not and the

00:34:01.260 holy gods could get it nowhere till in truthful wise did tear speak forth and helpful counsel

00:34:10.320 to Hlorevi gave.

00:34:14.480 So

00:34:14.760 the far famed ones

00:34:20.120 are

00:34:20.660 the holy gods themselves

00:34:23.500 and the heroes.

00:34:25.780 The far famed ones could not find

00:34:27.740 or know where it was

00:34:28.920 and the holy gods couldn't

00:34:32.000 achieve it.

00:34:33.800 And I would argue that it's 0.97

00:34:35.480 Himir's intent 0.56

00:34:36.640 that he basically

00:34:39.280 tries to make something unattainable and that's when lord tear speaks forward and he gives helpful

00:34:47.500 counsel to floridi floridi is thor um i have heard this uh translated into english as lorid

00:34:58.680 um l-o-r-r-i-d-e but it means a loud rider lord being like a cacophonous noise and

00:35:09.340 really means riding or rider so he is the loud rider um and tears says to him you know that

00:35:17.420 he knows where one exists so he says in in uh verse five there dwells to the east of

00:35:25.200 elvigar elvigar is the um 11 waves um that start in all of creation in the world of away from time

00:35:38.000 in the world away from the gods it's the it's in nivelheim and uh he says east of that

00:35:45.920 him near the wise at the end at the end of heaven a kettle my father fierce doth own

00:35:52.480 a mighty vessel, a mile in depth.

00:35:58.900 So one of the things that I think throws people off

00:36:02.400 when they look at cosmology

00:36:03.640 is seeing something like that.

00:36:07.560 Is Elvigar in Niflheim?

00:36:09.440 Is it in Jotunheim?

00:36:10.860 He's speaking about heaven.

00:36:13.320 They try to make logic of this.

00:36:16.460 And I think what more importantly would be to look at

00:36:19.540 that it's at the edge of the existence of things it's it's facing the gap it's out on the the edge

00:36:28.740 of the um the underworld and elvigod is very very clearly placed in the lower realm so

00:36:38.100 by the the um triplicate cosmos of arian um mythos all over um we're talking about this this

00:36:47.460 underworld and i think it's it was kind of viewed that the edges of all realms no matter where they

00:36:53.220 were upper middle or lower the edges always seem to be liminal they could in essence move between

00:37:03.700 these realms up and down um based on kind of going to the edges of them so going to the edge of um

00:37:12.420 else like ausgard and the heavenly realm around it um allowed them to transfer to jotenheim

00:37:19.060 transfer to the middle world and vice versa to go to the edge of jotenheim or the edge of vanaheim or

00:37:25.620 the edge of niflheim they were in essence traveling through these liminal spaces

00:37:30.740 so it's it's when we separate the cosmos we're doing it more for organizational

00:37:37.700 understanding, not necessarily, I would say, the reality of that spiritual

00:37:44.420 bridging between those realms. And he says that there's a kettle, and he's not meaning like a

00:37:51.280 tea kettle, he means a cauldron that his father has. And that's where, again, that confusion

00:37:59.760 comes in, is Tyr the son of Odin? Is Tyr the son of Himir, the Jotun? And I don't know if you

00:38:12.920 wanted to go over and kind of discuss a lot of that. I think that for the most part, most folk

00:38:19.060 um in uh house true and i would say certainly our clergy uh reside more that lord tier is of the

00:38:29.540 ice here and born of the ice here and that the usage of of him as a uh a plot device may be

00:38:41.460 better suited in this in this situation however it does kind of also fit the um the motif of most

00:38:49.620 of the stories lord olden you know is begot from uh bestla who is also a jotain but she is a jotain

00:38:57.060 of of uh niflheim as well so a lot of folks when they see jotain they immediately think of the

00:39:06.020 middle world and we're talking about the elvigar we're talking about the 11 rivers in niflheim

00:39:11.780 and that's where the jotens or elder beings even that the ice here descend from so it causes even

00:39:19.220 more um i guess merit to debate in that um most people will say like oh no he's not descended

00:39:27.780 from jotens but it's the the location that we're talking about that makes these jotens different

00:39:36.020 So if Tiri is the son of Odin, then he is absolutely descended from Jotun's.

00:39:43.380 That's, you know, anything but a cursory, you know, glance at our mythology tells us that. 0.86

00:39:51.000 The Jotunar are very different as we've been through on here many times.

00:39:54.980 It can mean a wide array of things.

00:39:57.940 But the most primal divine beings, I don't know if divine is even the right word, metaphysical beings of metaphysical might are Jotunar.

00:40:16.120 from

00:40:18.700 unconsciousness

00:40:21.120 or very

00:40:22.140 low level consciousness

00:40:25.280 primal yotnar 0.96

00:40:26.800 come the gods of 0.99

00:40:29.100 consciousness and order

00:40:30.500 and they carve out 1.00

00:40:32.620 the existence of the iser

00:40:35.040 of the gods of order

00:40:36.500 of our divinity

00:40:38.160 so whatever that case is

00:40:42.460 I think we

00:40:43.220 as i've said on here a lot it is

00:40:48.500 so there's two separate things get the meat of the lore

00:40:56.560 the interesting specifics of the story are fascinating to sit around and think about

00:41:04.460 and wonder on and meditate on and those are that's awesome i'm not taking away from that

00:41:12.180 meat and taters is tear is reaching back to the older order of things out in the far farthest

00:41:24.300 reaches of existence away from the ordered world to procure this you know uh unfathomable immense

00:41:35.100 you know in an inattainable thing so this quest for the heroes of this story is that is going to

00:41:45.000 the very far reaches of existence back to the most primal primal beings out into the

00:41:52.820 to the wilderness of existence as it were to get this item

00:41:57.080 you also run into different and this isn't you know this isn't hard and fast it's just other

00:42:07.040 things to think on as far as terminology when you talk about

00:42:12.080 there are ways to speak about our fathers as not just being your direct father but being

00:42:27.800 your grandfathers or your great grandfathers or other folks distant in your lineage that are male

00:42:36.440 um so there's always the possibility you know could be tears grandpa on his mom's side i don't

00:42:43.560 know these are just these are just things that come to mind but the bigger truth is

00:42:49.800 one of the iser is reaching back into that primordial level of being in the most outer

00:42:58.280 world because they carved one of the biggest things about our lord is and there's a there's

00:43:04.840 a component as above so below with this but our gods carved out or an ordered existence

00:43:11.880 out of a world of chaos of monstrous giants of infathomable

00:43:19.720 unconscious chaotic forces they shaped ausgarther and also midgarther from that

00:43:29.480 they brought an ordered existence from a disordered cosmic primal whatever whatever was

00:43:39.800 they brought what is they carved order from chaos and then they created an outpost of that order

00:43:47.160 on on earth in the world that we inhabit in the world that we live in

00:43:52.760 just as you see it reflected when our people move and conquer and discover new things and

00:44:01.720 spread civilization across the world they incorporate new things and they push the

00:44:07.480 chaos to the furthest reaches of things um it's hard to wrap your head maybe poetically or way

00:44:14.600 around the way that's expressed today because so much of the earth has been discovered but perhaps

00:44:21.880 that spreads out into space now the area that we've we've known and then the great unknown that

00:44:27.480 lies on the outsides the idea of going out of what is safe you see that like swan talked about with

00:44:33.560 our conception of things. There's concepts like people have misunderstandings about our

00:44:41.660 relationship to nature. Nature is cool and breathtaking and special, but historically

00:44:51.340 we've always viewed nature with two faces. There's beneficial nature where we hunt, where our herds

00:45:03.080 go to graze where we go to camp and fish and we we're comfortable with nature and then there's

00:45:09.240 the wild foreboding middle of nowhere you're going to die if somebody doesn't come rescue you scary

00:45:15.480 nature those are two sides of a similar coin we have that with you know the peaceful benevolent

00:45:22.280 waters that bring us trade and fish and resources and travel and wonderful things or the middle of

00:45:30.760 the ocean where you can't see land you don't know where you are and death surrounds you in

00:45:37.080 you know waves as big as skyscrapers and in terrifying situations so there's

00:45:46.840 the world of men the world of the gods the world of order and then there's that outer world the

00:45:52.840 concept of inner yard and outer yard is fundamental to how we relate to the world around us and that's

00:46:02.040 many layered but that's the point of the story is but wait now i know of an ancient source

00:46:09.720 that we can hearken back to that we can go out into the the far reaches of existence out of where

00:46:15.800 is safe and procure this you know entertainable thing and that's the that's the meat of this story

00:46:24.680 i think one of the most egregious things that i've noticed as of late is the marking off and

00:46:32.220 what you said one of the ice here so one of the holy gods is going out into and beckoning that

00:46:40.340 he and the storm father go out into the primordial and out into the outer edges um going from the

00:46:46.180 yeah the super unconscious of universal sense of the of the cosmos and coming bringing something

00:46:53.700 back to anchor and we'll get into the anchoring part there but um the most egregious thing i've

00:47:00.900 seen is people outright saying oh no this isn't this isn't here this is someone else or that this

00:47:08.100 is not um that the tier isn't even a isn't a god and i think it's because it throws a huge uh crooks

00:47:19.300 in the way that they want to kind of make our stories fit together and they're again cramming

00:47:26.260 in a very impious and almost heretical way of just discounting now yeah i mean it's because i

00:47:33.940 i mean that in the spectrum though because i have met who try to spectrum it in different ways some

00:47:39.620 of it is outright and others is like and i think it's wrong they're they're doing this

00:47:46.260 because something to them doesn't make sense like they understand the gods completely

00:47:51.460 the gods don't make sense to us we we have a very small amount of what of the sensicalness that we

00:47:58.340 can make of these very very strong and powerful beings um but i think that discounting uh lord

00:48:08.180 tier is terribly wrong the the other thing that i've also noticed is that when we talk about

00:48:18.340 jotuns and icier and vanir and not understanding the the jotuns aren't some different foreign

00:48:29.700 beings that the the icier come into the conscious realm come into the inner guard of the of the

00:48:36.340 central they come to the base of the tree and from there they construct they are different because

00:48:42.980 they leave that unorganized to become organized but again mimir best law and their connections

00:48:53.940 there the vanir have their connections in the middle world and i think that jotin is something

00:49:00.260 that gets confused a lot of people forget that there were two types of jotins long before emir

00:49:05.140 was even slain and that is of course the sons of must spell as they are referred to and the rinth

00:49:11.700 or the the jotens of niflhelm so one of the big things that i i point out is again he mentions

00:49:19.540 elvigar and elvigar is in niflheim and so he's talking about if we were to like really try to

00:49:26.260 dissect it he's not talking about the jotens of jotunheim he's talking about niflheim so a lot

00:49:34.740 of people get lost on that and uh you know they they kind of try to make an issue with it

00:49:40.260 But that's if we're looking at it in a kind of a mapped out way, I prefer to look at it more like what you were saying was just, yes, this is time they go into a primordial point and they're bringing an anchor for a very specific purpose.

00:49:58.440 But it's worth saying this in reference to it.

00:50:01.900 And then, you know, we can get back to the story, but, and this is, those of you who listen to this every week, I apologize for the repetition.

00:50:15.160 A lot of our audience may be hearing it for the first time, so there's some drums that I just continue to beat on.

00:50:21.580 So, when you conceive of the directionality of how you approach our lore is extremely important.

00:50:37.320 It's not the lore's job.

00:50:41.200 It's not our God's job to make perfect sense to you through ancient sources.

00:50:51.580 it's our endeavor to use the wisdom of our ancestors

00:50:57.500 to form a better understanding and a better relationship to our gods

00:51:03.420 if the point is to try to take ancient literature and reconstruct

00:51:13.420 stories that flow well for us to make a motion picture or

00:51:19.580 whatever kind of thing we're trying to do as a creative or a literary endeavor

00:51:26.140 then cool you got to make some sacrifices and mix some stuff up and add your own little stuff

00:51:32.220 and do whatever that's not what we're doing that's not what religion is the point is for us to take

00:51:40.140 lore that is fragmentary that is written you know after centuries of of oral tradition

00:51:50.620 and different things and to try to through that lore form a better understanding of our gods

00:51:59.740 you don't there is a distance between our understanding and the glory of our gods

00:52:06.220 you fix you work towards fixing that difference by elevating your understanding elevating your

00:52:17.060 relationship and your piety and reaching up to elevate yourself to be closer to our gods

00:52:23.700 you never ever try to pull our gods down to make them closer to you that's the wrong direction

00:52:34.420 So all the time people try to simplify the Lord to make it better for them, that's wrong.

00:52:40.460 Trying to draw on big themes from the Lord to bring us to closer understanding of our gods, that's headed the right direction.

00:52:53.340 Oh, and before we go back into it, GW Farnsworth bought us five coffees.

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00:53:13.180 All right.

00:53:15.240 Let's go on to the next stanza.

00:53:18.580 Okay.

00:53:19.220 So, sorry, I was looking up something.

00:53:24.400 Let's see here. 0.85

00:53:25.700 So now, you know, Lord Tyr and Lord Thor are going to go east into the Niflheim, to the Hrimthurser, and they're going to look for the cauldron of Himir.

00:53:39.160 um may uh thor speaks may we win dost thou think this whirler of water

00:53:50.800 tear speaks i friend we can if cunning we are so there's one part in here that i wanted to bring

00:54:00.440 up the reference again is that ayer is a jotin in the middle world he is um he is the the lord of

00:54:13.960 that outer guard ocean and really what i think too is worth noting is the ocean is one of the places

00:54:21.000 in which life as it is brought about still exists in forms

00:54:26.840 when emir was in dominion of the middle world when when emir was creating his brood when emir was

00:54:39.280 um up from for ages long brought about producing um the monstrosities that sweat off of his body

00:54:48.660 if you will this time and you know the correlation between emir and the earth are pretty clear in

00:54:56.180 a lot of ways um when you look at the ocean when you look at the the uh proto forms of life that

00:55:04.520 exist there and there are things that are actually not even proto life they're they're complex life

00:55:08.980 forms that are around despite that which is happening on land has changed greatly um i i

00:55:17.540 i think that the primordialness of the ocean as being one of the last vestiges of

00:55:24.120 primordial creation. In a lot of ways, the ocean is, I think, one of the places through which

00:55:33.880 the Jotun or the cosmic powers of the Jotuns, be they Niflheim or Jotunheim,

00:55:42.880 their manifestation in the middle world is often done through the ocean. And what's happening 0.77

00:55:49.640 here is the the gods are trying to seek a center point a point in the in the water in the ocean

00:55:57.400 where they will create a a source or a centering that they will be attending to so i think deeper

00:56:06.600 this is a story about the the gods of cosmic order creating an anchor point in the most primordial

00:56:12.840 spot in the middle world and that's i think has a lot of um very deep esoteric um means so this this

00:56:25.800 whirler of water this kind of the center point of the primordial ocean um in which they will make

00:56:34.120 sure that their dominion reaches um even that far down to ensure the safety of the middle world

00:56:42.840 um so uh from here they they say and uh in stanza seven because stanza six of course is

00:56:55.980 is really odd thor spoke and then it's stanza six and then it's just again a returning of

00:57:03.240 um uh speech and then it goes into the um back to the poetic meter um in seven forward that day

00:57:14.640 with speed they fared from ausgarth came they to a yale's home remember that g is a kind of a

00:57:23.580 The goats with horns bedecked, he guarded when they sped to the hall where Himir dwelt.

00:57:36.840 So this, of course, is speaking of Thor's goats.

00:57:46.920 And I looked into this part, too, about Eil.

00:57:49.340 Most people are familiar with the name Eil if we're talking about the famous Icelander.

00:57:53.580 who was uh a devotee to lord odin um and had like many historical events like he he was involved in

00:58:05.100 wars between england and scotland and so on um and you know this one is kind of always cited off as

00:58:16.140 to be, um, uh, the father of the, uh, Roskva and Thealfi, excuse me. Um, and that perhaps

00:58:29.380 this is lending to the idea that, um, Lord Thor stops off there. Um, but again, in that

00:58:39.160 story where he stops off there he he's also with loki at the time so um this is a you know it's a

00:58:48.280 confusing one in which they say to ale's home ale has also been thought of to be a joten of

00:58:55.560 another story that we don't know um but again the goats with horns bedecked he guarded so here it's

00:59:03.960 really what's going on is the vehicle of Lord Thor is being placed. It's being stopped. And I think

00:59:10.660 that's truly interesting when I think about the vehicles that the gods use in the world of order

00:59:19.080 having to be shed because they're going into a place where the roads are no longer traversable,

00:59:26.320 if you will. It's kind of like knowing that you can't, you know, the society and the world that

00:59:33.580 you maintain that allows horses or cars, if we want to go into a modern sense. And then you're

00:59:38.760 going off that beaten path to places where the order of society and the world no longer have

00:59:45.600 sway. And so I think that's the ultimate point of this verse. They leave heaven, they go to Aeos'

00:59:55.140 home, and then the goats with horns bedecked, he leaves them there, they are guarded, and then they

01:00:00.020 speed forward to the hall of heimer um so they're they're in they're in the weeds now if you will um

01:00:14.660 so in stanza nine kinsmen of giants beneath the kettle will i set ye both you ye heroes bold

01:00:25.060 for many a time my dear loved mate to guests is wrathful and grim of mind so here is a switch

01:00:34.220 in the poem and i think that in in the story verse it's even in the newer modern ones it is

01:00:43.780 it is referenced um that this is the wife of himir that is speaking and that she is stating that uh

01:00:58.660 that thor and tear are you know in danger by being here and um that he is wrathful and grim of mind

01:01:06.900 so it might throw some confusion on there because it's like wait a minute who's talking about

01:01:11.220 about what or or uh you know

01:01:15.460 what have you so it's it's again it's worth noting this is this is um uh or excuse me

01:01:21.540 even bellows he mentioned something here he says uh this might be him here's mother

01:01:31.220 um or or him or his wife so he's met he mentions it going even further i don't know what would

01:01:39.060 lead him to think that this is um himir's mother but and i've always taken it as this is himir's

01:01:45.220 i do believe you skipped stanza eight and it does say the youth about his grand dog

01:01:51.380 oh okay sorry let me see yeah the youth found his

01:01:56.980 and it says random that's interesting that might be a typo and meant to be grandma

01:02:04.660 found his grandma that greatly he loathed and full 900 heads she had but the other fair with

01:02:13.100 gold came forth the bright browed one brought beer to her son so here that's okay so the

01:02:21.380 referencing to the grandmother i don't believe that that's the grandmother speaking though

01:02:25.200 um bellows mentions that it could be either one of them but here's a couple of things about that

01:02:32.700 We have, when we're telling this story about the ancient, the kind of primordialness, the Jotuns are always seen as being, again, chaotic of the, of strangeness in the, to differentiate them from what the Aesir have done, what the Aesir have created, what the Aesir have made for themselves.

01:03:00.600 again this is parallel paralleling to the view of our people and the way we create our societies 0.99

01:03:08.680 and when we exit those societies and we we go off the beaten bath we go off the the road that can no

01:03:14.840 longer be um uh traversed so here the youth being lord tear found his grandma that he greatly loathed

01:03:26.520 a full 900 heads she had and i think that this is you see this a lot when large numbers and

01:03:35.160 like almost just astronomical um kind of outrageous points are brought up a lot of them

01:03:42.840 have to do with um showing that kind of alienness but it is it is um

01:03:49.480 his mother who again is mentioned as being a bright a browed one one that has um you know

01:03:59.280 either it could reference to the that she has an unwrinkled and kind of pale brow or that she has 1.00

01:04:06.800 blonde eyebrows again these are both you know beauty traits um that were uh remarked and she's

01:04:14.320 bedecked in gold and she brings beer to her son and she says yes sorry the kinsmen kinsmen of

01:04:21.720 giants uh it just it always threw me off because bellows suggested it might be the grandmother

01:04:26.360 that's speaking and i don't think that's the case i think the grandmother is just there as a plot

01:04:31.460 point to show how far off and how deep they've gone um into the uh into this into the primordial

01:04:42.660 chaos. And so, um, she says, you know, for many a time, my dear love, my loved mate, her husband

01:04:50.640 to guests is wrathful and grim of mind. This is another thing that kind of, I I've often pondered

01:04:57.000 about this. I don't know if the story is showing that the female of the house, um, is being

01:05:08.860 contradictory to the evil nature of her husband or is she trying to be kind of a a frith weaver

01:05:17.320 between her son and and her her husband there's some of that that goes on there and i think that

01:05:25.340 we find it too more of a trait that seems to happen amongst the jotens so i wonder too if

01:05:31.880 that's also kind of showing a negative trait if you will um societally culturally um and i don't

01:05:43.080 i don't know exactly where that lands but it is worth noting she bears a horn so she comes forth

01:05:48.680 and gives a horn to her son and his friend as guests in their home and i think that is a

01:05:54.600 again another parallel that we have to our to our society so even though it's deep and it's

01:06:01.860 crazy and it's in the chaos they're still holding true to some of these and i think that's

01:06:08.340 again more of a story point for our audience that's one of the benefits of our lore um

01:06:22.020 when we hyper focus on the details of it as a literary work i think sometimes we miss

01:06:31.860 Big things and small things.

01:06:35.340 I think when you're trying to make all of it linearly make sense and fit together the way that you want,

01:06:41.220 sometimes it prevents from noticing things like that, that teach, I don't know, valuable customs and traditions of our folk.

01:06:55.380 Yeah, you see the, you see hospitality and how hospitality works.

01:07:00.560 you see that demonstrated you see that the woman's role in that is to like welcome the guests and be 0.87

01:07:07.920 hospitable and make the home hospitable and to greet them with something to drink that's a very

01:07:14.800 traditional value of our folk and it's you know it's not the point of the story but having some

01:07:23.200 of the atmospherics and the backdrop of the story illustrates some of those key points that are

01:07:28.880 are really important that immerse you in the culture of Ausatru and the kind of principles

01:07:36.800 and values of it in that way. You also notice as, you know, we talk about the wide variety of

01:07:47.240 Jotun are, and different levels of consciousness and things, as they come into alignment with 1.00

01:07:59.120 the gods, you see a very stark juxtaposition between ugliness and beauty. The Jotuns that 1.00

01:08:09.400 are, you know, wives of the Isir or produce offspring with the Isir, aren't these hideous, 0.99

01:08:19.860 beastly, monstrous figures, but they're beautiful. And they're, you know, the more in alignment with, 0.58

01:08:27.480 in alignment with the Isir they are, the more beautiful they are. Something to notice is in 0.96

01:08:34.600 the Leia Rig, as our folk become more noble, become closer in their alignment with the

01:08:46.020 Isir, they get better looking, they grow in beauty.

01:08:50.540 That's illustrated here in a different way.

01:08:55.980 Yeah, I think the timing of that showing the great or the grandmother versus the mother

01:09:01.920 is that kind of evolutionary step um and as i noted earlier our gods are all descended from

01:09:10.160 the odens they're descended from the primal you know monstrous chaos into realizing they are

01:09:18.460 something more into the full realization of their divinity and their growth and beauty

01:09:23.120 and in order and structuring all of these things we see that with our own ancestors

01:09:28.660 yeah and i thought i'm glad you pointed out because that is such a huge um when they speak

01:09:36.820 about the shining brow um and they speak about shining arms and uh of bright demeanor there

01:09:45.220 they they clearly show the emphasis of beauty over the horrors of it and they're right at that edge

01:09:51.780 of where um by one generation and i and i don't think it's like a literal like one generation

01:10:01.140 is suddenly great but it's it is that transition that closeness to order that closeness to what we

01:10:06.740 would the divinity versus the primordial might jotens have primordial might the gods have divinity

01:10:15.220 That's a thing within chaos, and this is kind of another, I guess, bigger truth.

01:10:25.340 Chaos is bad because of its chaoticness.

01:10:29.320 It's kind of a funny turn of a phrase.

01:10:31.880 But within it are the seeds of order and the seeds of beauty.

01:10:35.040 They just need to be tended and separate the wheat from the chaff,

01:10:41.240 separate sorry for that biblical illusion separate separate the uh you know the worthy

01:10:47.160 from the unworthy the ordered from bring order to the chaos but the elements that make beauty

01:10:54.440 are contained within the disorder of chaos it's the mission of the isir and of us to shape that

01:11:05.080 that's chaotic into what's beautiful and that's the story of the evolution of our folk and in a

01:11:11.640 way of our gods from the very primal to these highest expression of consciousness and uh and

01:11:22.040 we see that here in a really i don't know i think that's displayed here in a special

01:11:27.560 a special way and the idea of beauty being bright and shining and

01:11:35.580 looking nice compare that with the common silliness of needing to look gross with the 0.84

01:11:48.040 shoulder pelts and the all black like matted hair and dirt all over the face and whatever 0.98

01:11:56.640 breeds and the like nappy dreads and it's not the case one of the most standout finds of any viking

01:12:07.920 age discovery is the emphasis on beauty beauty through art beauty through like earwax scooping

01:12:17.840 tools and like mustache trimming little like squeeze scissors things and combs and uh yeah

01:12:30.080 they prided themselves on looking elegant and looking their very best not looking like they're

01:12:35.120 wearing roadkill and they you know crawled out of some some drunken pirate cave somewhere

01:12:42.000 oh i just saw something too i wanted to say i think the mentioning of when she when she says

01:12:51.040 beneath the kettle i should set you both you hear as bold um i think that part is a contradiction

01:12:58.320 the idea is like bold as you are i still might have to hide you under the kettle because him

01:13:04.960 is so terrible to guests and this is presetting another huge tenant of our culture about um

01:13:15.360 being a host and that's kind of a setting that trajectory i wanted to just make that

01:13:20.720 point because some people might think like what was that about why about the beneath the kettle

01:13:25.760 um you know i think it just establishes that the kettle is a known and quantified thing

01:13:32.400 in the household and that it might be the only thing that will protect you from

01:13:36.880 him or his wrath because he's just so terrible even to his guests

01:13:45.600 um

01:13:49.040 so

01:13:51.920 comes the the um the entrance of uh

01:13:56.560 um of um heimer but it's very very interesting at this point here so if you look over in the

01:14:06.400 old north side it says frila speaks and um this has been argued to mean the daughter or the

01:14:21.040 concubine and it's it's actually mentioned in bellows's notes um but in essence the there is a

01:14:31.280 uh a a female a representative of the house um and she speaks as hymir um comes in

01:14:44.000 and um and again this is showing just he's entering the hall and he's kind of

01:14:48.320 coming in it would be related to very much so the idea that when you come into the hall um and was

01:14:55.200 given like a warm drink or something as you were getting your your things settled but this of

01:15:00.200 course is bombastic because it's it's him here so it's uh but i wanted to point that out um

01:15:08.340 so in 11 hail to thee him here good thoughts mayest thou have here has thy son to thine

01:15:17.840 hall, now come. For him have we waited, his way was long, and with him fares the foemen of Hroth,

01:15:29.100 the friend of mankind, and Veir, they call him. So already in this poem has been mentioned two of

01:15:40.600 the, um, during the kind of the hallowing via, via the hammer, um, two of the names of the,

01:15:49.020 what I often refer to as the four names of Thor, uh, Loriv and the, the noisy rider and

01:15:55.880 Vey Ör are being mentioned here. Uh, Vey, of course, is the holy place and Ör is the might

01:16:02.680 or the strength of it. So he is the strength of the holy place, the, the warder of the middle 0.90

01:16:09.420 guards, so whether the vey is being considered the middle world, or actual temples themselves,

01:16:15.620 and he is the guardian of the temples, the strength, the faith, and the might of the

01:16:21.100 devotion of the folk within the temples. So it's kind of a big, broad haiti, but it's there.

01:16:30.940 Um, so she says, you know, she says to him that, um, you know, the, uh, that your son has come and with him, the, the highly renowned, uh, they, uh, friend of mankind, of course, and this is Lord Thor. 0.97

01:16:49.640 um and she points out in 12 see where they see where under the gable they sit behind the beam

01:17:00.140 do they hide themselves the beam at the glance of the giant broke and the mighty pillar in pieces

01:17:06.680 fell so instead of hiding under the cauldron they decided to hide behind a gabled beam or

01:17:16.200 certainly not to be seen right away when he comes in but because he is such a terrible menace that

01:17:23.920 is his eyes trying to stare at them splits the beam they're behind into pieces

01:17:32.280 so um i i just crazy imagery and i really really like it but yes it's it almost kind of reminds

01:17:43.180 me of like something from like, uh, uh, you know, where you, this kind of intense moment

01:17:48.180 and then the, it explodes and they're just like behind there, like, oh, well we tried.

01:17:55.680 Um, so eight fell from the ledge and one alone, the hammered kettle of all was whole forth

01:18:10.620 came that they then and his foes he sought the giant old and held with his eyes so this is

01:18:18.620 interesting because um the eight is most likely referred to as kettles uh whether they're

01:18:27.660 emphasized as being large kettles or or all exactly like the one kettle that they they've

01:18:33.260 sought for is not really specified but what is is that it was understood generally in the gables

01:18:40.380 throughout the house meat was hung and a lot of the tools and utensils that were used for cooking

01:18:46.620 in the center of the hall were placed along those beams and so the splitting of the pillar makes

01:18:54.700 all of these kettles drop and he walks forth and looks at who is in his hall and he kind of locks

01:19:03.500 eyes. Um, in 14, he says much sorrow, his heart foretold when he saw the giantess foeman. Of

01:19:15.860 course, this is Lord Thor, um, being such a paragon of, um, the maintenance of order against

01:19:24.920 chaos. This is the chaos slayer. Um, the giant, the giantess foeman come forth on the floor

01:19:33.140 then of the of the steers did they bring in three their flesh to boil did the giant bid

01:19:41.400 so he's unhappy to see thor um and the giantess foeman that's that's another interesting one

01:19:52.580 um that is utilized because again the the the premise of the

01:20:00.240 yotinous like wolf riding witch the um the kind of the evil um destructive uh beings that like

01:20:13.120 move throughout and are often seen as being these kind of the kind of these abominations are like

01:20:18.940 um they take the shape of the anti-mother if you will um and but it's mentioned over and over and 0.98

01:20:26.020 over again, that Thor faces off against these kind of Jotunuses, these terrible beings. And so 1.00

01:20:33.560 that's another reason why. The giantess foeman, he's clearly an enemy to all the Jotuns that 1.00

01:20:42.120 stand for chaos. But this one is very specific about the wolf riding troll witches, if you will. 1.00

01:20:50.880 um and you see that a lot in the stories with Thor so um but he says um you know he doesn't

01:21:01.080 uh he doesn't he's not happy that he's there but they prepare a kettle and they place within it

01:21:08.040 the uh they place within it oxen or or steers um and again this kind of goes to a couple of things

01:21:16.420 one the amount of food that's being brought out is kind of would be seen by the audience is like

01:21:22.740 crazy to have um three whole cattle brought in um killed and prepared for food um so it's just

01:21:34.420 seen as again a huge bombastic amount because it's lord thor the other thing too is that a lot

01:21:40.820 of the food that was done and i know we were talking about um old norse dietary practices

01:21:47.380 uh one of the things that i think would be well for a lot of people to pick up is

01:21:53.220 is remembering too that boiled meats were a huge part of our ancestors um

01:22:00.980 diet and the idea of creating soups and stews and gaining a lot of that nutrition through the water

01:22:06.580 um and that's the reason why the usage of a kettle was so important everything would be

01:22:13.060 cooked in it not always boiled but the idea of it was like it was a utilitarian um object a

01:22:20.780 flat-bottomed cauldron that could be used for you know grilling and stewing and all of these things

01:22:29.620 So they bring in three ox to feed, um, Lord Thor and for their flesh to boil, um, by a head, this is a stanza 15, by a head was each the shorter hue and the beasts of the fire they bore.

01:22:53.620 and i'm assuming it's then because i think it's misspelled here it says the husband or not yeah

01:23:00.800 well maybe it's then the sorry the husband of sif heir to sleep he went alone to oxen of himir

01:23:10.500 himirs eight so this one kind of hops around a bit but the biggest thing to think about is

01:23:17.220 um you know they're the the steers are killed and they're brought uh to the fire and um lord thor

01:23:27.900 eats two of them out of the three so he's taking a giant portion and this is supposed to be

01:23:34.480 bombastic this is supposed to show um again a kind of setting of the stage when we talk about

01:23:42.460 the audience listening to this and just being like oh you know he he's drink they're eating

01:23:47.740 two out of the three and he's just so massive and so strong and this of course sets precedent for

01:23:53.840 what's going to happen later on in the story um let me see here

01:24:04.380 um yeah that's that's an interesting usage of the word so in 16 um

01:24:19.660 to the comrade hori of hungrier rung near then did lowrithi's meal fully mighty scene

01:24:27.980 next time at eve we three must eat the food we have now there's a part here where it says ill

01:24:36.140 ill in or ineligible or ill eligible um the hunting's spoil there's a part in there

01:24:44.060 actually where there's a smudge in the um uh actual um codex where the uh the poem was written down

01:24:54.540 and it's listed here just that um a lot of people have tried to translate what it could possibly

01:25:01.900 mean but the damage to the um to the story was is is makes it unreadable but the overall um

01:25:13.020 uh message of this of this uh stanza um

01:25:17.660 um, is that so mighty was Thor's meal that they would have to go hunting, that they would not be

01:25:30.480 able to reach from the stocks of the farmstead, but instead have to go out and, you know,

01:25:38.400 kill their own food because uh it would just it would um 0.56

01:25:45.200 ruin them and the the the comrade of hrongnir of course rongnir is another jotun

01:25:51.040 so this is again a kenning referring to himir himself so the the the uh

01:25:58.240 the comrade of hrungnir is himir and he sees thor's meal and it was so large and so crazy he's

01:26:09.020 like next time uh we three we're gonna have to find food by hunting it because i can't sustain

01:26:16.400 that level of hunger

01:26:18.500 and that's really i um just to dispel a lot of the confusion behind it because it is you know

01:26:26.880 oddly written um in 17 there is um again a kind of a a breaking up of the of the traditional

01:26:39.800 stanza but it basically states what's going to happen next is uh feign to row on the sea

01:26:46.940 was there he said if the giant bold would give him bait so willing to go out and

01:26:56.480 fish for food. Um, Thor was again, they are the, the temple strength, the, um, the might of the

01:27:06.460 holy space. Um, he's willing to row out there. If Himir was willing to give him bait since he's

01:27:15.060 already kind of being stingy by implying, I can't feed you. We're going to have to go and get our

01:27:22.880 own food and himmer speaks um in 18 go to the herd if thou hast it in mine thou slayer of giants

01:27:33.200 thy bait to seek for there thou soon mayest find me thinks bait from the oxen easy to get

01:27:40.140 so again the audience is it's building up to like wait what are they hunting he goes to the ox herd

01:27:49.800 to get bait. And, uh, it's just, it's, it's unheard of. It's, it's, it's so crazy and big.

01:27:59.820 Um, in 19, he says, swift to the wood, the hero went till before him an ox, all black. He found

01:28:09.460 from the beast, the slayer of giants broke the fortress high of his double horns. So

01:28:18.280 this is again, another Kenning, uh, in relation to the idea that he, he clove the oxen's head.

01:28:25.680 He broke it or brained it so that he could take it for, um, to be utilized as, as bait. So again,

01:28:37.180 these things are supposed to be like large and insane and the audience is just you know would

01:28:48.140 be blown away just by the uh the sheer size of what's going on and of course it's because lord

01:28:53.580 thor isn't a normal man he's he's larger than life he's a he's a god but he's a warrior so

01:28:59.740 there's a lot of that you hemorrizing that even i think took place within the stories about the

01:29:06.940 gods in order to make them relatable or to make them seem even again more than what they then

01:29:14.140 than just humans um and so him going out and braining an ox to prepare for fishing is um

01:29:24.620 you know is crazy um and so again there's some more um breaks and problems in this poem and they

01:29:35.500 reside a lot too here in in stanza 20 so we kind of see a lot of things getting messed up in here um

01:29:44.620 humor speaks thy works we think are worse by far thou stir a steerer of ships than when

01:29:52.620 still thou sittest so it's in essence it's you you uh you cause more damage

01:30:05.500 you know it's like it's hard for me to figure out when you cause more damage when you are moving

01:30:12.220 about in the world or when you're sitting still i can't tell you're just such a disruptive force

01:30:19.500 so him here is clearly um thrown off by lord thor and it's uh and he's just he's sweating it

01:30:27.580 and um he's scared just the fact that he could go in and brain an ox for um

01:30:32.540 you know for for fishing um in 21 the the lord of goats um and i know a lot of that's of course

01:30:46.880 referring to um lord thor uh the lord of goats bade the ape begotten farther to steer the steed

01:30:59.760 of the rollers okay now that's an interesting kenning we'll hold on to that but the giant said

01:31:06.320 that his will forsooth longer to row was little enough so one of the big things there is the the

01:31:15.840 steed of the rollers this is the boat they're talking about the the ship um and the the the

01:31:23.600 rolling of the waves so thor tells him here that he needs to row out further in order for him to

01:31:33.600 get a better uh you know spot because he has something particular in mind and uh himira says

01:31:43.200 that no he's he's uh his will is not um he's not happy with it he doesn't want to go out any deeper

01:31:50.480 so this is again showing the bombastic nature of the warrior uh lord lord thor is is um

01:31:58.880 braining oxen he's carrying him on the boat uh and he's like you know go out there you know further

01:32:05.200 and and heimer even says like you know um if you wanted to go you could row out further and he's

01:32:12.160 like no shut up just row further we're gonna get it we're gonna get out there and we're gonna get

01:32:15.600 something uh good and in 22 he says uh two whales on his hook did the mighty hymir soon pull up on

01:32:24.960 a single cast in the stern the kinsmen of odin sat and vair with cunning his cast prepared so

01:32:35.840 hymir pulls up two whales again this is supposed to be just so insanely they're not catching fish

01:32:45.120 they're catching whales um and uh i'm surprised i've never heard anyone say like this is some

01:32:52.160 sort of like you know oh they're they're killing whales or something of that nature because i've

01:32:58.000 seen people just take the literalism so ridiculous um but it's it's uh that um

01:33:06.960 um Lord Thor and I often wonder too this the writing of the word here in the stern the kinsmen

01:33:15.160 of Odin sat and I I wonder about that if it's referencing to the idea that Lord Thor and Lord

01:33:23.820 Tyr are in the the boat but it doesn't seem that way and there's no explanation as to where Lord

01:33:32.340 tear is during this again because the poems don't uh feel the need to you know they don't have to

01:33:39.000 mash in all the details but uh thoris is he has another plan he has a different plan and um

01:33:48.900 and i think what's really important to understand here is when i when i spoke about the liminal

01:33:55.320 spaces between realms and when i think when we talk about the upper realm the middle realm and

01:34:01.460 lower realm we talk about the east we talk about the west what we're doing is we're stratifying the

01:34:07.940 cosmos but in the stories i believe that they kind of overlay on top of each other the idea that

01:34:16.980 the realm of resistance and the realm of life whether it's you know jotunheim and vanaheim

01:34:22.900 overlay just as much as the heavenly realm and the the the realm below overlay in these liminal

01:34:32.600 spaces that they're working in and again it doesn't have to all make sense i mean it's like

01:34:38.400 are they pulling up a whale is this a niflheim niflheim well whale or a jotenheim whale or is

01:34:44.720 it a midgard whale which one is it svan i mean where were they on their on their gps and it's

01:34:49.960 i don't think that's kind of the way it works but it's to understand these liminal spaces and

01:34:57.000 understand that in essence the cosmology of of everything overlaps upon each other

01:35:03.400 um or has an integrated sense that um there are veils that separate them but the veils that

01:35:11.880 separate us could be, we coexist in the same places that the veil is, and that once we pass

01:35:20.220 through that, we are entering into those other places. It doesn't always have to literally be

01:35:25.880 seen as if I'm going to go to the east, I'm going to eventually, you know, hit Jotunai.

01:35:32.920 The direction had a different meaning than the literal meaning. So, you know, here,

01:35:37.800 um the water of men has a different plan and that's what i think that the cunning is referring

01:35:46.260 to um in 23 the water of men the worms destroyer fixed on his hook the head of an ox there

01:35:58.300 gaped at the bait the foe of the gods the girdler of all the earth beneath

01:36:03.840 and then in 24 the venomous serpent swiftly up to the boat did thor the bold one pull

01:36:12.960 with his hammer the low uh the loathly hill of the hair of the brother of fenrir he smote from above

01:36:23.600 so the 23 and 24 let's just talk a little bit about that again i believe that cosmologically

01:36:32.500 through these the overlapping and whether we stratify the cosmos or not is that the inflection

01:36:39.820 of the divine affects the middle worlds i believe that the gods are witnessing us now they're

01:36:45.400 watching us i believe that they affect things through the well the urds well but i think this

01:36:52.320 also applies to not just the gods that the jotuns and everything in reality kind of influxes to the

01:37:01.180 middle. And so Vonaheim and its power, which I often refer to as it's the source of life,

01:37:07.680 the life in the middle world versus the resistance in the middle world. And so it would make sense

01:37:15.340 that Vonaheim and Jotunheim are in juxtaposition to each other. Here too, there's the fluxing

01:37:24.240 influence of chaos playing itself in the middle world. And some people have speculated that this

01:37:32.120 could mean something as maybe even a cosmic event or not a cosmic event, but an earthly event that

01:37:39.440 was, you know, a shifting of the equator. Some people have talked about that. Some people have

01:37:45.760 talked about it being the shifting of the poles. There's a lot of stuff that people have speculated,

01:37:50.920 But the idea is, is that all of the worlds that are in the nine worlds, how we stratify them, have an influxing power that affect predominantly, I would say, the middle world, but can also affect each other.

01:38:06.560 And they're spoken of about often in the stories.

01:38:09.340 so he brings jormungandr he brings um the girdler of the world the the worm serpent

01:38:23.660 and i mean obviously this is uh pretty important for me one of the first um

01:38:29.980 murals that I drew was, of course, of Lord Thor, this exact story. And so the part here where it

01:38:44.220 says, with his hammer, the loathly hill of the hair, that is 100% another kenning. Some people

01:38:55.440 have tried to, um, equate it to Fenris. So, and I, I don't think it's correct. And I was just,

01:39:05.020 I was reading through Bellows notes where he's, uh, see, it says here, the hill of the hair,

01:39:11.220 the head, um, uh, uh, uh, skaldic phrase or a kenning for the crown. Um,

01:39:19.280 you know the the um the idea that this might mean something else i don't think

01:39:26.640 it's it's clearly he's talking about smiting the the brain or the crown of the serpent and um

01:39:34.420 this would be you know considered the hill of hair um even though it doesn't necessarily apply

01:39:40.860 to jormungandr being a serpent he is the brother of fenrir um and he he prepares to smite it from

01:39:47.900 above uh the monsters roared and the rocks resounded and all the earth so old was shaken

01:39:58.860 then sank the fish in the sea forthwith so

01:40:06.220 that's why a lot of folks i think take this to possibly mean a greater cosmic event or that

01:40:12.300 the machinations of the gods affect the world in ways that are far more than you know and we see

01:40:21.180 this again in when thor goes to jotunheim and drinks from the horn and um reduces the waters

01:40:29.420 and um it's always kind of repeated through lord thor who is the son of heaven and earth

01:40:39.260 he is that link between the divine and the earthly or the middle realm and so a lot of things that

01:40:44.780 always kind of involve him end up changing things within the middle realm greatly and i think that is

01:40:51.660 is very true that we could look at it in many different ways i mean if you look at the magnetic

01:40:56.620 um shielding of the earth and the way it protects us from heat of the sun and cosmic rays and and

01:41:01.980 then there's also the main maintenance of the polarity within the world there's a lot of things

01:41:06.940 in there that i think i would say the gods are responsible for especially lord thor but

01:41:14.060 when we speak about it these these secrets kind of layered into the stories uh this is

01:41:21.420 where i think like it's one of the examples pointed out is that you know that the the

01:41:26.060 rocks resounded and the earth was shaken um so

01:41:32.940 let me see here

01:41:42.140 uh in 26 joyless as back they rode was the giant speechless did hymer sit at the oars

01:41:50.460 with the rudder he sought a second wind

01:41:52.940 heimer spoke the half of our toil will thou have with me and now make fast our goat of the flood

01:42:04.720 the ship um another kenning or home wilt thou bear the whales to the house across the gorge

01:42:12.360 of the wooden glen glory they stood and the stem he gripped i wonder if that was if

01:42:22.440 that was intended to be written as the stern he gripped and the seahorse with water a wash he

01:42:30.180 lifted oars and baler and all he bore with the surf swine home to the giant's house so here

01:42:39.240 you know we he they return back to the land um and hold he turns the whole the whales

01:42:50.300 over and walks home um his might in 29 um oh sorry in the mentioning of the of the kenning

01:43:01.580 surf swine i think is is really cool as a boat um in 29 his might the giant again would match

01:43:10.460 for stubborn he was with the strength of thor none truly strong though stoutly he rode would he

01:43:16.860 call save one who could break the cup so i

01:43:25.620 this is the jumping to him here's cup but it's not necessarily specified as to

01:43:33.960 uh like again they're the alluding possibly to another poem i don't know it's it's the um

01:43:41.560 it's not 100 solid it's just the referencing to his cup that does not being broken

01:43:52.360 um so we go into this kind of second testing of might and uh

01:44:00.760 the the idea of the unbreak unbreakable cup um something to note um

01:44:11.560 with these bits of lore and how they came to us

01:44:15.900 we are so very blessed to have them

01:44:22.600 so many other branches of Aryan religion don't have nearly the treasure trove of lore that we have

01:44:38.340 But what has come down to us is damaged copies of material copied many times over based largely on oral tradition that was passed down for, you know, an unknown quantity of time.

01:45:01.940 So it should be no great shock that it doesn't match together perfectly or flow as smoothly as would necessarily make sense.

01:45:17.800 The fact that we have it and it works as well as it does is a tremendous blessing and one that we're extremely thankful for.

01:45:26.940 Don't get caught up on the tiny little stuff.

01:45:29.460 And the other thing is we have pieces of other, we have other references to stories that kind of fill in some of the blanks.

01:45:42.180 You know, in this, there's this big gap where, but what happens?

01:45:47.480 He's pulling up the world serpent and he's about to hit him.

01:45:50.940 And then all of a sudden the serpent gets away.

01:45:53.700 well Snorri when referencing this story talks about like no giant got shook and he's terrified

01:46:00.040 and he cuts it with his bait knife and Thor knocks the giant out of the boat because he's

01:46:05.780 disgusted and like just picks up the boat and goes home because he's he's frustrated

01:46:11.140 um so we get little pieces elsewhere one of the things if you're starting to do this on your own

01:46:19.940 if this is you know either because it interests you or because this is your faith

01:46:28.740 i remember exactly how it was when i first came home to aussitrew and i'm like man where do i

01:46:34.660 start there's all these different pieces of lore and all this different stuff

01:46:42.820 they all synergize and work together start wherever you're at wherever you're that you're

01:46:49.300 at that's where you are start there and as you move and as you read pieces start fitting together

01:46:59.780 works reference each other and you're like oh i know what he's talking about i remember that

01:47:05.460 like i remember the moment when that clicked for me because i was like man this is so hard i don't

01:47:11.300 really understand all these different things they're always referencing these other things

01:47:15.860 that i don't know no it comes together it crystallizes so keep at it and hopefully what

01:47:23.780 we're doing here is helpful to you in that but the more you read but you've got to go through a lot

01:47:30.020 of different stuff the more all of these stories come together and pieces get filled in and things

01:47:36.340 build upon and reference each other and it all starts making so much more sense and you will

01:47:41.540 have this moment of like being proud of yourself when it clicks so that is a thing i remember if

01:47:48.100 that's where you find yourself i was absolutely there i know what that's like i've been there

01:47:53.460 and uh yeah it gets it gets easier and it all starts to click and it all starts to piece together

01:48:00.500 yeah i think one thing worth mentioning too is that the guild beginning um is kind of the hub

01:48:08.740 of the stories it's where all the stories kind of funnel back to with little pieces that's why i

01:48:14.340 think it is it is such an important story that we reference often i made a mistake too i made

01:48:21.220 a um so the goat of the flood surely is the boat um but bellows is even suggesting and so and as

01:48:27.620 well as uh i believe his i can never pronounce his name correctly i've never heard um but i believe

01:48:33.860 it's boog the swede um uh in reference to the surf swine being the whale um instead of the boat

01:48:45.540 but i made a made a mistake there but at the same time like kennings are kind of funny like that

01:48:50.660 because it it it could depend on a lot of the ways you view things and you know uh the the uh

01:48:59.860 a ship being something that burrows through the waves like a boar or a swine could easily you know

01:49:08.740 be correlated there i i don't know if i mean if it's a hundred percent but again the idea is is

01:49:13.620 that he's carrying the whales and the boat and going back to the hall and when he gets back

01:49:22.420 now there is another kind of test of strength there's a another point of contention in which

01:49:28.820 there is the um the unbreakable cup so before we get on to that i just want to acknowledge

01:49:36.580 uh paul dickert donated a hundred dollars to the victory never sleeps fund thank you we appreciate

01:49:43.860 that that's awesome you guys are astounding with your generosity and it's very much appreciated

01:49:49.860 thank you

01:49:58.180 yeah i started reading the uh the the one that got away the fish that got away

01:50:05.380 a tale as old as time for any any fisherman as uh ryan harland says

01:50:10.740 so we shift now to another part of the story in which there is this um

01:50:23.780 another contention that's ultimately leading up um to the them clashing but um

01:50:30.180 in stanza 30 floridi and again and i really like the fact that they repeat the names

01:50:41.940 over and over again uh the these heites this is an another name for lord thor the loud rider um

01:50:52.020 uh i always you know like love the heighties of all of like lord olgin's heighties are are pretty

01:51:00.180 wide and expansive, but, you know, this one really, really kind of does give

01:51:06.340 a testament, but it allows also to kind of build into the memory, Loredi.

01:51:14.580 So Loredi then, when the cup he held struck with the glass the pillars of stone, so he throws the

01:51:20.920 cup against the stone as he sat, as he sat the posts in pieces he shattered, yet the glass to

01:51:28.260 high mirror hole they brought so it's not specified but it's kind of understood or alluded

01:51:37.780 to the idea that perhaps this was meant not as i'm just going to take a cup and throw it but it's

01:51:43.460 like no this cup is unshatterable and you know you can go ahead and test it try it see what you can

01:51:51.620 do um more of that kind of a situation it's also worth noting too the the cup um a lot of times

01:52:01.300 and i know the horn is a preference of us i think culturally now especially in in asitru to share

01:52:09.540 the hlout with um and the folk but a lot of times it was a cup a goblet a chalice um you know these

01:52:20.660 are all just different words uh oftentimes from like from the french or the english or what have

01:52:26.980 you um but they did drink from you know many different vessels um in the halls and i think

01:52:35.940 the horn has much more of a cultural significance for us today but it would be understood by the

01:52:42.340 by the um audience as this is being spoken about the idea of a mead cup or a mead goblet

01:52:50.340 or what have you um so they're they're trying to to shatter this it kind of reminds me of

01:52:58.180 like when someone says you know like you know these glasses are shatter proof and someone's

01:53:02.340 immediately gonna be like okay try to throw it on the ground or something crazy like that um

01:53:09.940 so you know i assuming that this is later on in the hall after um

01:53:16.340 um, you know, after eating and so forth. Let me see. Uh, so 31. Uh, but the loved one fair

01:53:33.760 of the giant found a council true and told her thought smite the skull of him near heavy with

01:53:45.280 food for harder it is than ever was the glass so there's only one thing that could break the

01:53:53.680 unbreakable glass it's it's my my uh husband's you know unrelenting nature i.e his skull he's

01:54:05.440 so thick-headed i bet you you would either break the glass or break his head and it's kind of like

01:54:11.680 let's find out kind of thing so um this one is kind of funny i think uh that in essence uh hi

01:54:21.920 heimer's wife tears mother is telling thor there's only one thing that could possibly

01:54:28.560 break that and that's his his thick skull so the goat's mighty ruler then rose on his knee 0.60

01:54:37.920 and with all the strength of a god he struck whole was the fellow's helmet stem but shattered 0.81

01:54:46.760 the wine cup round was uh helmet stem of course is another kenning for the place in which you

01:54:54.120 place your helmet um which is your head it's a kenning for your head so um whole was his head

01:55:01.580 but the but the wine cup shattered um so alas she was wrong or you know the only thing that

01:55:10.220 could break it would be his his thick skull um and not the other way around so uh hammer speaks

01:55:18.540 in 33 fair is the treasure that from me is gone since now the cup on my knees lie shattered

01:55:26.780 so spake the giant no more can i say in days to be thou art brewed mine ale

01:55:33.180 so here he's he's uh you know lamenting that um

01:55:41.340 you know that he can't he has this fabled cup and it's now been shattered he can't bring the

01:55:50.220 mead to his lips he can no longer um you know uh join it or enjoy the festivities because he had

01:55:57.800 such a fabled treasure and now it's it's broken um and you know it's there's no point in even

01:56:04.200 brewing if i don't have the the cup in which i can drink from it um so he's lamenting just kind

01:56:13.360 of a the broken mythical cup and the actions of his of his guest lord thor and his might and how

01:56:21.340 he's just kind of wrecking house quite literally and and also figuratively with the with the whales

01:56:27.520 um in 34 he says uh enough shall it be if out ye can bring forth from our house the kettle here

01:56:36.840 tear then twice to move it tried but before him the kettle twice stood fast

01:56:43.760 so in essence Hamir is like you've broken my wine glass you've eaten all of my food

01:56:53.660 just take the kettle and get the hell out of here in essence what he's saying is like it's it's

01:57:01.580 he's so stubborn that he wasn't willing to relent anything until his mead cup was broken and his

01:57:09.600 his uh kettle which you know presumably it's not just a like a food kettle this is where it starts

01:57:16.820 to correlate to the idea that it might be a brewing kettle and that the idea that this is

01:57:22.020 the part where they make the must where um the kettle is used with the honey and uh with the

01:57:29.060 yeast to be dropped in or if it's ale you know it's it's a it's a some sort of um grain but this

01:57:36.920 is you know again most likely referring to a brewing cauldron not a feasting cauldron and um

01:57:44.680 again that has correlations to kind of the frothiness of the sea so um he says you know just

01:57:52.420 just just take it and leave and lord tear tries to move it twice and he can't move it

01:58:03.860 um again showing the just the nature of it if lord it's so big that even lord tear can't

01:58:10.500 can't move it so then in 35 the father of moti thor the rim seized firm and before it stood

01:58:18.660 on the floor below up on his head sif's husband raised it and about his heels the handles clattered

01:58:26.580 so the the ringlets swoop down and they're so um he's holding it so high aloft that they're

01:58:35.220 swinging near his feet i think that was a really good and clear um you know translation of the in

01:58:44.260 the description of the situation that always kind of stuck with me when even when i was a kid

01:58:48.340 the idea that you know as soon as he holds up this pot the rings kind of like and kind of

01:58:53.300 scrape the ground near his feet um but again two great uses of kennings their father of

01:59:00.580 mothi uh sif's husband and you'll see that a lot in in bloats and things when people speak

01:59:07.620 to the gods in prayer they will often add a lot of these kennings they will speak of

01:59:12.500 or um they are um or you know and kind of a tag on these heites in order to kind of build a

01:59:22.260 correlation and layer the connection that the divine is being spoken to so sometimes when folks

01:59:29.620 are at bloat safe they're at like a national event or something they might hear the gothar saying a

01:59:35.380 lot of these names they might not truly understand where they're coming from but a lot of them are

01:59:41.460 again references to thor and most you know most folk who have been in the religion uh

01:59:49.060 know who lord thor is even if you're i mean as a novice you've only been in it for a while most

01:59:54.100 still know thor's hall thor's hoth thor but when they start hearing these other heighties they're

02:00:00.420 like who are we talking about and that causes a lot of confusion for people but that's where

02:00:05.460 a lot of it comes from is the stories um so then we we move into the the final uh bit um

02:00:18.660 and 36 not long had they fared air backwards looked the son of odin once more to see

02:00:27.060 from the caves in the east behold he coming with him here the throng of the many headed

02:00:35.460 So, at this point, Hamer says, get out of here. And I've wondered if this was a planned intention. The idea being, if he's holding the cauldron over his head, he can't defend himself.

02:00:54.360 and i thought that was very very like an interesting thing perhaps it was a strategy

02:01:01.820 um but he decides to get because he's been shown up uh in the boat and his unbreakable glass has

02:01:09.920 been broken um he tried okay i gotta take it upon myself this is the time i'm gonna get the

02:01:16.040 warder of the gods i'm gonna get the champion of the gods i'm gonna get the strong uh lord thor

02:01:21.400 and i'm gonna i'm gonna let him pick up that cauldron and i'm gonna hit him while he's carrying

02:01:27.640 it so he he starts to head towards them sneakily after they have left he gets his throng of you

02:01:36.120 know jotnar uh thurser uh rissi kind of uh beings and they decide they're gonna they're gonna um

02:01:47.640 try to attack now and so in 37 he stood and cast from his back the kettle and mjolnir the lover of

02:01:57.160 murder he wielded so all the whales of the waste he slew and there is a little um uh

02:02:06.440 break in that in in stanza 37. um the um i love the the usage of the word the the uh

02:02:16.760 the lover of murder and i think this is um it's more of like the the lover of of bringing death

02:02:29.720 is would be the better like direct translation of that um because mjolnir is such a devastating

02:02:35.640 weapon so the idea is that you know this weapon just revels in the bringing the end of whatever

02:02:41.720 it's it's turned against but he translated it to the love the lover of murder so he he

02:02:49.080 casts the kettle off and he pulls up mjolnir um and he lays them to waste uh

02:03:00.920 in 38 it says not long had they fared air one their lay

02:03:05.960 of lordy's goats half dead on the ground in his leg the pull horse there was lame

02:03:15.480 the deed the evil loki had done so this again brings us back to ale's house um

02:03:25.000 and the idea that and i to be honest too i don't know

02:03:30.200 kind of how this or why this was done in relation to the other story but we're speaking of

02:03:39.000 there's two ways this was done intentionally to connect the two stories and that this was done

02:03:44.940 like as in um that they were you know uh conjoined together some people try to say that lord tier

02:03:54.600 and the story of this poem is actually Loki because of the other story. And I don't think

02:04:03.320 that is, you know, that's kind of wretched to do in the sense of how differentiated the two stories

02:04:12.360 are. And I think more likely what this was, again, either an attempt to link the two stories

02:04:18.340 together or to create some sort of congruency that one was happening uh before the other one happened

02:04:27.940 um but this is i hear a lot of people try to say no tear isn't tear actually i don't hear a lot of

02:04:33.940 people only hear certain people say this but tear wasn't tear it was loki and it was because of you

02:04:39.380 know this stanza here but the poet is more likely trying to um you know make the congruency of those

02:04:50.740 two stories because they're speaking about fios uh fialfi and ruskva from when uh thor goes to

02:04:58.020 jotunheim and the um the leg or the pole horse is the bone in the leg and um that it is lame

02:05:06.820 and so it immediately kind of jumps from there um and i i you know i wonder if this is and i

02:05:14.420 don't like to use this word a lot but i wonder if it is kind of an interpolation or um an attempt to

02:05:21.620 kind of make these stories parallel um or the other thought that i had was that um the lameness of

02:05:36.820 the the the goat in the other story is being lamented so he goes forth he goes back to his

02:05:44.920 his his goats but the you know the leg is has been broken um and you know is is uh again uh

02:05:54.100 uh due to what happened before or in the other story with loki causing all of this this trouble

02:06:00.880 but again it doesn't emphasize who Eil is and it you know the the this stanza in relation to going

02:06:10.280 back to his goats is not super super clear I think people try to make and jump and make those

02:06:16.260 connections and try to say that the whole time tier is Loki and I think that's a huge

02:06:21.360 jump especially considering how clear it is about Loki's parentage he comes from

02:06:28.820 thawr bauti and laufi and so that would again arrange a lot of different questions

02:06:36.100 so when people try to stuff things into brackets and i'm more of the mindset that this is a this is

02:06:43.620 lamenting the damage that loki did in the other story to his goats therefore his travel is going

02:06:51.380 to be um hard because he's carrying such a heavy kettle um but in 39 he says but ye all have heard

02:07:01.460 for of them who have the tales of the gods who better can tell what prize he won

02:07:07.460 from the wilderness dweller who both his children gave him to boot

02:07:12.340 um the in 40 sorry the mighty one came to the council of the gods and the kettle he had that

02:07:23.420 him years was so gladly their ale the gods could drink in ire's hall at odd at the autumn time

02:07:30.800 so this one is um

02:07:36.280 i think like 39 is a rare case in which

02:07:43.220 there is it's kind of like the x the um the exiting of the poem the that the the poet is

02:07:54.240 saying you know that um you know you've all heard the stories and you know who better is to say

02:08:01.500 but this is you know this is what you know came of this and i mean the only the only um interesting

02:08:08.120 part of 39 that strikes me as odd other than the fact that the storyteller's kind of acknowledging

02:08:13.680 himself is um the wilderness dweller um the horn boa um i'm gonna have to look into that one because

02:08:26.360 uh now that i'm reading it and it's again every time we go over these uh elsewhere ago there's

02:08:31.400 always like some new or cool thing that just hit me and i'm like oh wait a minute what is

02:08:38.040 what is that you know so the the the poem ends abruptly it ends with um you know not much said

02:08:47.640 there's the fight the fight in the slaying then lord thor goes to his um his goats and i think

02:08:55.240 really the the point of the per or the purpose of that stands is that he laments that his goat has

02:09:00.520 a a maimed leg because he has to carry this giant cauldron um and then the poet speaks about telling

02:09:09.400 the story and then ends it with now the cycle is complete the gods now can brew their the ale that

02:09:16.680 they need in ire's hall um in the turning dead time and i would say the autumn time is an interesting

02:09:23.400 point as well i think a lot of people know or even if they don't our ancestors really considered

02:09:32.360 the new year around autumn time um and i mean the nordic ancestors of old but um you know

02:09:41.720 the the reasonings for that changed and so i think what this is really talking about is

02:09:48.760 um at the turning of the year that's when the gods go to ire's hall um autumn time was seen

02:09:55.560 as the new year's time because our ancestors reckoned that the sunset was the starting of

02:10:02.360 the next day because everyone was generally awake for the to visibly see the sunset um and clearly

02:10:10.360 now we consider the new day to be in the in midnight in the middle of the night um and

02:10:14.520 that's because we have you know mathematical science and things have have um uh advanced

02:10:21.560 and so i think a lot of us now um consider yule much like midnight so instead of autumn and the

02:10:27.960 sunset now midnight slash yule which is the midnight of the year is now the new turning of

02:10:33.800 the year it's the same with the um julian calendar gregorian calendar where the julian calendar's

02:10:39.960 new year was in uh what is it april time frame and uh they changed it to january and then people

02:10:47.080 who still celebrated it that was that was called april's fools or what have you so like that kind

02:10:53.000 of stuff moves around but i think it's worth considering the significance of why autumn time

02:11:00.200 and why it's it's seen as more of the the uh the turning of the year for our ancestors that the

02:11:06.600 gods go to ire's hall um and feast with them though it is later stated elsewhere that they

02:11:14.280 do it daily so that's another thing all right well we have some questions lining up um

02:11:30.120 And Wolf Throne mentioned

02:11:34.620 he was

02:11:36.400 not here last week

02:11:38.780 for the Odenshoff episode, but that he

02:11:40.620 watched it. I noticed

02:11:42.540 that you were not there, because you

02:11:44.620 are one of our stalwarts

02:11:46.660 on here all the time, and I'm glad you

02:11:48.600 were able to watch it, and it was interesting for you.

02:11:50.980 I'm going to do one very similar to that

02:11:52.640 next week with

02:11:54.460 the fine folks at Thorshoff.

02:11:57.240 So tune in to that.

02:12:00.120 um so first is a question that i got uh earlier today i think it's interesting

02:12:09.060 uh hey also here you go these label unlike middle eastern religions also true does not have an all

02:12:17.400 or even most does not have all or even most of its rules for moral behavior written out

02:12:22.600 if something like that were ever produced by our people it was mostly memorized by the gothi

02:12:28.520 and never transcribed. I looked through the materials on the Runestone website to see what

02:12:34.900 the basis for morality the AFA uses, and I was able to find two. In the Alistair Statement of

02:12:42.300 Ethics, it says, we believe that those activities and behaviors supportive of the white family 0.88

02:12:48.920 should be encouraged, while those activities and behaviors destructive of the white family 0.52

02:12:53.420 are discouraged. That is a useful utilitarian way to rule out many behaviors as wrong to do.

02:13:00.780 In the about oust truth section of the website, if you scroll down, the one belief about general

02:13:07.580 morality is we believe that morality arises from the day to be in honor of noble men and women.

02:13:13.840 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I interpret this as saying that we should trust our gut

02:13:20.540 instincts about morality otherwise it would seem like circular reasoning to me

02:13:26.460 is there also an element of historical precedent in our moral system it would make sense because

02:13:32.540 we worship our ancestors what is the best way for us collectively to be on the same page about

02:13:37.820 morality if it is not laid out plainly but instead less left up to personal interpretation on those

02:13:44.620 issues. So there's some kind of feedback there. I took care of it. No, no worries. So I think

02:14:01.840 that the nature of the question, whenever I hear what the basis for this and that is,

02:14:15.700 it sounds like a kind of a philosophical language. And one of the things that I think is important

02:14:30.000 to I don't know important to factor in

02:14:34.260 I think that a lot is

02:14:41.160 there's a lot of meaningless chatter about right and wrong

02:14:47.280 I think there's certainly ambiguity and there's certainly questions arise about what's the right

02:14:54.100 thing to do in a given circumstance, but I think whether we admit it or not, most of us understand

02:15:03.540 a lot of what is morally correct and what's not. Certainly culturally, the different races of

02:15:11.100 mankind have a different, perhaps, understanding of that in certain terms, but one of the things

02:15:16.960 that makes us, us, is a general understanding of that. We understand that in terms of nobility

02:15:24.180 and honor and dignity and things that are culturally extremely important to our people.

02:15:31.360 The trouble is, when you list thou shalts and thou shalt nots on everything,

02:15:39.720 Circumstances in

02:15:46.300 Specific action is dictated by specific circumstance

02:15:54.800 Principles though are eternal

02:15:58.780 We talk a lot about principles

02:16:01.440 Everything isn't crystal clear

02:16:05.260 So you apply those principles

02:16:07.420 and what is a generally understood morally acceptable stance towards those

02:16:14.860 on how you proceed in certain moral situations.

02:16:20.120 The trouble with that is that looks really different

02:16:22.700 depending on the time you live in and the society you live in.

02:16:29.180 It presupposes in the question, or I mean, it states that at the end,

02:16:33.380 how do we do that if it's left up to the individual?

02:16:35.740 It's not left up to the individual.

02:16:37.420 It is left up to the community, and that's really important.

02:16:43.760 We are very used to because we've become completely atomized in the West today,

02:16:50.200 and that's part of the soul sickness of our people.

02:16:54.280 It's part of just a result of being in a wolf age, as it were, culturally.

02:17:00.640 We don't share commonality with our neighbors,

02:17:03.560 So when we look for our community, we can't really look for, you know, the neighborhood you live in or points of geography.

02:17:14.680 What we need to look to for community now is our faith community, our church, the Astro Folk Assembly.

02:17:21.300 And collectively, there are behaviors that are morally acceptable and that aren't.

02:17:27.240 And more often than not, you get torn between when there is confusion and legitimate confusion,

02:17:35.020 not mental gymnastics or trying to make excuses for bad behavior, but when there's genuine,

02:17:40.980 well, which way do we go? It's very nuanced on the circumstance. And unfortunately,

02:17:47.460 sometimes decisions in life are ugly and there's no perfect answer. There's weighing

02:17:54.960 the pros and cons and you can weigh those by principle but it's very hard to rate to weigh

02:18:02.200 those by strict thou shalt thou shalt not and i think that that's a way of thought that's really

02:18:11.140 different and i think you run into that and we're very used to it because that is very much a hebrew

02:18:18.020 way of thought that's very much something present in judaism christianity islam things of that

02:18:23.640 nature. Indigenous religion, it's much more relevant to the social context. And that's not,

02:18:34.480 I realize that's not a satisfactory answer. And there's certainly some absolutely,

02:18:44.300 you know, thou shalt not horrible things. But in general, it's an issue of principle.

02:18:52.020 I know it's easier if we make it something other than that, but that's that is situational and not timeless principles transcend and you work towards them to the best of your ability or you value them in comparing and contrasting, you know, the outcomes of whether you go left or whether you go right and what the decisions you make.

02:19:19.800 So what we focus a lot more on is instilling culture and instilling reasoning abilities and then seeking guidance from the elders and the Gothar in your community to kind of help you frame the question in ways that do appeal to principle and not just to thou shalt's and thou shalt not's.

02:19:44.360 Like, as a church, the AFA has some firm rules on a couple of, you know, on some things, but we have principles that guide these other things, and your adherence to those principles or not affects your status in the community, and that's much more in keeping with the folk way of our ancestors.

02:20:09.040 so that's that's that brings us to kind of an interesting question

02:20:16.840 it is very tempting for us to just make up rules

02:20:23.880 and try to make reality conform to the rules we made up

02:20:32.740 but again this is about directionality

02:20:35.600 truth exists it's like it's like anything with philosophy philosophy is our best way to

02:20:45.620 philosophy doesn't alter truth it helps us understand and express truths it helps us

02:20:57.360 react to truths but it doesn't create truths sometimes it recognizes truths and places

02:21:06.960 emphasis on them but it's like science i think sometimes it's confusing when i say like you

02:21:12.400 can't out science truth what i mean is it's not reality's job to conform to science

02:21:20.400 it's the attempt of all science to better understand how reality works just like with

02:21:27.920 religion and philosophy it's your best um attempt to steer towards morality to the best of your

02:21:36.800 ability as opposed to to somehow force that reality into existence so it it really the

02:21:46.880 circumstance and the context matters we can certainly take the AFA has many stances on

02:21:53.360 specific social issues those issues are going to always change depending on what the the issue is

02:22:00.560 in society so we can itemize a lot of you know you ask questions we can give answers absolutely

02:22:09.040 but what guides in all of those things is fully immersing yourself in the moral principles of

02:22:18.480 also true and living those principles out in your life to the best of your ability

02:22:22.960 it's not about winning a debate or winning an argument it's about the art of living the most

02:22:28.640 noble existence that you can and that's very seldom clean and very seldom perfect but the

02:22:36.560 goal is to try to use those principles to guide you through you know the very imperfect situations

02:22:45.280 we find ourselves in life i hope that makes sense it wasn't trying to muddy the waters

02:22:50.400 or be a bunch of gobbledygook it's kind of the reality that we face though so what do you say

02:22:58.080 to the question swan i think it would be more wise to kind of give a synopsis i think of what you're

02:23:07.600 saying because i agree and i think that it's worth noting that maybe perhaps from experience

02:23:15.120 when i see people say oh these guys think this way but our ancestors didn't think that way and

02:23:20.960 so on and so forth when we talk about morality and not even bringing in the christian question which

02:23:26.160 that's a whole another bag but i do want to bring up something about that later um

02:23:31.680 no our ancestors were adaptive like you said uh our our um the the correct way of thinking was

02:23:40.560 what was what is good for the the folk what is good for the whole what condemnation you

02:23:47.200 can receive from the community for wrong actions um you know i i think that there are you said

02:23:54.000 very clear ones and we've always kind of had very clear ones i think kinslaying is a is a pretty

02:23:59.120 clear um you know condemnation and and a case in point so your drunk uncle comes at your child in

02:24:10.800 murderous rage you got to do something right according to the rules you're not supposed to

02:24:18.080 you know act hopefully against your kin so you've got to use judgment and reason to balance

02:24:25.840 principles yeah and i you know it's like when people say like oh so that means if someone's

02:24:31.680 trying to kill you and they're your family you can't defend yourself like that's again it's it's

02:24:37.120 um i think it's you know with the the understanding of whether it was done in malice if it was done

02:24:42.480 with intent if it was done with um you know a lot of that stuff but it is again based on

02:24:49.040 those things and i think that the gods because our faith isn't man-made

02:24:54.800 it's built that way it's organic you know you find that a lot of man-made religions have these

02:25:02.000 tenants that are kind of you know supposed to be unbreakable and completely you know infallible

02:25:10.320 and so on and so forth thankfully um european christians kind of found the loophole with

02:25:17.440 uh the crucifixion of christ and even though he does say in the bible my covenant with my father

02:25:23.360 remains they kind of don't look at that and like oh no no he died for our sins so so we can eat

02:25:29.200 shellfish and um and we can sit where a woman's been menstruating before like there you know

02:25:35.200 there's these strange rules in the in the old bible that um like you know if you really want

02:25:40.480 to go into like looking at orthodox jews and the stuff that the rules that they follow because of

02:25:45.760 their strict interpretation of the of the tanakh or the old testament is it's just a wild read um

02:25:54.480 but they they found that that loophole through the crucifixion but for us i don't think that

02:26:02.800 that's the case as we look at the gods have kind of left it upon us to dictate closer to order

02:26:10.960 or to fall into chaos and to to be a wellspring of goodness or to be a wellspring of evil

02:26:17.280 and we naturally want to incline towards the good and the order so that's the way we

02:26:24.160 that's that's one of the big keys one of the core principles of the nobility of our folk

02:26:34.240 is the ability to have free will and make decisions and the responsibility to take on the

02:26:42.720 consequences of those actions and those decisions there are other groups of people and other faiths

02:26:51.680 that it's much more legalistic. That's the thing. You can practice ous-a-true correctly under a lot

02:27:00.320 of different legal structures. And in different governments, in different times, facing different

02:27:06.640 things, an ous-a-true state or an ous-a-true leader would make different laws based upon circumstance.

02:27:15.360 but the principles should be reflected in those things and you can apply those principles to

02:27:22.640 whatever situation you're in we have a question coming up that i think is is very relevant to that

02:27:31.920 but there's a fundamental difference if the only thing keeping you from being a terrible person

02:27:37.440 is a set of laws and you don't inherently kind of know better,

02:27:43.440 that speaks to moral character.

02:27:47.160 And I think that in and of itself is a problem.

02:27:49.820 And I don't think most people work like that.

02:27:52.820 I think we have a tremendous capacity in our minds

02:27:56.380 to create outlandish justifications for bad behavior.

02:28:02.840 um but it's much more about principle within ausitrue than it is about you know an archaic

02:28:13.560 list of you know don't put your shark out to rot in the sun on a tuesday or whatever the case might

02:28:22.920 be and as much as we laugh is at silly archaic things at the time they were made they may have

02:28:28.680 made a lot of sense depending on the circumstance but when you remove the context specific laws make

02:28:35.160 very little there's kind of a this may be butchering the latin but one of the ideas about

02:28:43.480 you know laws or rules is there's you know mala and say and mala prohibita

02:28:48.840 there's things that are bad because they're bad and then there's things that are bad because

02:28:53.960 they're against the rules the things that are bad because they're bad are always bad

02:29:00.680 the things that are bad because they're against the rules in any in any religion that

02:29:08.280 exists in a timeless way and through the ages and through the circumstances

02:29:14.840 there's a variety of rules that shift and change and alter it's like some of the questions and i

02:29:21.240 run into a number of these folks that their goal is to emulate viking behavior and to try to figure

02:29:29.720 out how to do it within the context of modern society and you can't doesn't work the context

02:29:38.360 for those behaviors doesn't exist but principles that mattered to those people still matter very

02:29:47.720 much to us and so the challenge is to find ways to express those and live to those within the

02:29:54.040 confines of our our circumstance good night baby i will i'll come talk to you in a minute

02:30:02.440 but i hope that gets to it i know it's a it's a big issue and it's nebulous guy who asked is going

02:30:08.040 to be at sigerheim this weekend so i hope that he and i can have a conversation about it i can clear

02:30:12.760 up anything if I wandered there or didn't, didn't get to the meat of it as much. So hopefully that

02:30:19.460 can clear anything up. So here's the, here's the question. Does that really follow it directly?

02:30:26.140 Awesome. It does. Case in point. Wolfthrone asks, how can our ancestors concept of vengeance

02:30:34.020 be applied in the civilized world today.

02:30:38.420 So our ancestors' practice of vengeance can't,

02:30:43.880 or if it does, it's done at the cost of your freedom

02:30:47.100 and your life.

02:30:49.520 So this presents the exact point.

02:30:53.140 So what do you do instead?

02:30:55.840 And you see some of this even in our ancestors' time

02:31:00.380 with the wereguild. 0.99

02:31:04.020 And the idea of coming up with a monetary or a goods financial compensation for wrongs and slights against you.

02:31:19.360 And this is the exact thing we just talked about needs to be factored in. 0.70

02:31:25.940 One of my favorite books that I talk about a lot and I think is extremely important is The Culture of the Tutons.

02:31:34.020 But if you don't apply it with context and with wisdom and discernment, it very quickly devolves into something that's impossible.

02:31:44.340 And the concept of justice, not just vengeance, but vengeance is part of the justice idea of Ausitru, is the compensation to one you've wronged because you've taken something of value from them.

02:32:04.680 And that's the thing.

02:32:07.000 It's not a I'm mad because you killed someone I love.

02:32:11.280 it's a you've taken something of great value to myself and my family that I can't replace

02:32:20.700 you've taken a value from me that I need to recoup in order to be whole how am I going to

02:32:29.180 fill the void and then that void being filled and maybe it's filled by you know me taking 0.99

02:32:38.160 that from you by killing a member of your family. 0.98

02:32:43.420 But in a different way, we're starting from a point of something of great value was taken 0.99

02:32:49.680 from me.

02:32:50.780 So the idea of making it right by seeking compensation, by you replacing something of

02:32:57.160 as close to equivalent value as is able, gets me closer to a sense of wholeness.

02:33:07.360 Our whole understanding, I didn't, pun not intended, our entire understanding of health and well-being was the idea of being whole, was the idea of living cohesively and consistently and not having pieces missing.

02:33:25.240 When someone wrongs you, for another example, with the same idea of the vengeance, if someone were to defame you publicly, be hit to your reputation is a tangible value.

02:33:40.620 in a world where reputation meant everything insulting you publicly damaged you damaged you

02:33:49.420 in commerce it damaged you in relationships it damaged you and your ability to

02:33:56.220 do things to join war bands to trade goods and services to go places on your travels and have

02:34:05.180 people welcome you or scorn you it mattered tremendously so replacing that in some way

02:34:12.540 was fundamentally the idea of of justice or you know the idea of vengeance the compensation of

02:34:18.940 something that was lost the rebalancing scales it's fun what do you have to to add on that

02:34:26.700 well i mean especially when we consider uh the idea that vengeance is a correction of

02:34:37.740 the imbalance of things um when we speak about lord volley or when we speak about

02:34:42.940 lord vidar um and their their uh placement of correcting the wrong um

02:34:52.540 yeah i mean vengeance becomes i mean if you're talking about it in the literal sense

02:34:56.700 And what you spoke about at the loss of your life and the loss of your freedom is that, you know, if people look at vengeance in such a black and white way, they take vengeance.

02:35:06.220 And then because of the laws of our land and things that are in our country, you know, you end up in jail or you end up, you know, in a bad situation.

02:35:15.340 The real principle is to seek correction of the situation.

02:35:20.380 and i know that sounds very cerebral for oftentimes a very

02:35:24.760 like um just a highly emotional and terrible thing obviously vengeance isn't just something

02:35:36.040 you want to seek for no reason there's something that brought us there um so i know to say like

02:35:42.560 oh well just to try to seek what corrects it is kind of a seems very benign but that that

02:35:50.720 is oftentimes within the the the way in which weird and the way in which things uh roll out

02:35:59.480 is the choices that you have um some people you know they they can't you know get vengeance quite

02:36:07.680 literally uh what if the person's already locked up or or something of that nature um

02:36:14.560 so the ideas of course is again seeking some sort of that balance or uh you know correcting things

02:36:21.920 despite or i don't know affecting things outside of simply just that which is affecting you is um

02:36:31.120 that attempt to bring alignment to each other um you know a lot of times too i think

02:36:40.080 preemptive thought of the way that we look at things um if we can preemptively avoid

02:36:47.760 or stop or hold back people that would do something that would cause us to seek vengeance

02:36:55.920 against them against them is one of the biggest i think most proactive things we've got now um

02:37:04.320 but yeah our you know i think holding um if somebody does something so dreadful that uh that

02:37:12.080 they're never forgiven for it that is 100 a thing in our faith i think that if someone is so craven

02:37:19.120 or so conniving or uh because not always is vengeance based strictly on like a blood feud or

02:37:27.200 or you know murder for murder or what have you no a lot of times it can be that somebody just

02:37:32.560 does something so egregious against their community or against uh their friends or

02:37:38.720 against you know their like their church or what have you they do these things

02:37:43.520 they can never be forgiven for them and they have to be held to the deeds that they did and in a lot

02:37:50.720 of ways that is the vengeance against them is that you they're always spoken of the the word

02:37:56.320 is always spread they this is what they did this is you know who they lied to this is who they

02:38:01.600 connived this is who they went behind and stabbed someone's back that duty of making sure that

02:38:08.800 people know of the foul deeds that they did and they had no atonement for them they didn't pay

02:38:14.160 any price they didn't up front and openly go before their peers and say you know i did wrong

02:38:19.760 and i want to make this right or what have you and and take their their licks that sense still

02:38:26.560 applies very very heavily today in our culture um you know i realized i framed a lot of

02:38:38.800 I framed some things, but I didn't really answer the question of what you can do today in terms of vengeance.

02:38:45.440 And honestly, there's oftentimes nothing you can do.

02:38:49.660 Sometimes, there's subtle things you can do, but getting a complete compensation the way you want is very difficult.

02:38:58.660 And again, the idea was you're restoring something and it was always beyond just yourself.

02:39:07.260 The individual wasn't nearly as important as we make it out to be.

02:39:11.140 It was the wealth of the family.

02:39:12.600 You're taking vengeance because somebody took something from you by making a hole in your kin fence.

02:39:21.020 If you were to violently collect vengeance, you'd be sacrificing the rest of your life or decades of it and taking that from your family.

02:39:34.620 So it wouldn't really be avenged.

02:39:36.340 avenged you would be damaging your kin fence yet again by your your act of vengeance so it doesn't

02:39:44.820 really replace it or make it whole um there are numerous legal ways in a perfect situation doesn't

02:39:53.680 always work this way to go before a judge or magistrate or whatever where you're at and try

02:40:01.120 to get compensation for wrongs that have happened to you there's also social ways like swan mentioned

02:40:08.300 of no let we should shun people who do bad things and cut them off from the welcoming embrace of

02:40:18.480 our social groups and our search and and stuff let bad things be known but the other thing is

02:40:26.020 that I think is relevant to this

02:40:27.780 is the concept of forgiveness

02:40:29.840 in Ausatru versus in other

02:40:32.160 faiths

02:40:33.160 in

02:40:36.440 and I think

02:40:38.300 it's just because it's our common touchstone

02:40:40.140 but like in Christianity

02:40:41.220 forgiveness

02:40:43.440 you're supposed to

02:40:46.100 forgive everybody

02:40:47.260 and your sin is against

02:40:49.680 their God not against

02:40:51.820 the person that you did wrong

02:40:54.220 to so it's like

02:40:56.020 whoops, my bad, I'm sorry, I won't do it again, and everything's forgiven, and everything's okay.

02:41:01.460 That's very, very different than our understanding. The first and foremost thing, in a practical sense,

02:41:10.160 fix what you broke to the best of your ability. If you want to be forgiven and make something right,

02:41:16.940 sure, an expression of, hey, I'm really sorry I did that, that's fantastic, but unless it's coupled

02:41:23.800 with and i want to fix what i broke it's it's hollow and relatively meaningless now as noble

02:41:31.460 people sure we can let some stuff slide if we want sure we can grant you a favor of choosing

02:41:37.960 to forgive something but the core is fixing what you broke like yeah it's forgiven if you you know

02:41:45.880 you stole 20 bucks from me so give me 20 bucks and then give me something on top of it because

02:41:53.300 you broke my trust then we can talk about forgiveness if that's something that you want

02:41:58.720 to give or not the other thing is you have no obligation whatsoever to forgive anybody anything

02:42:03.600 if you don't want to so it's much it's much different in that sense i think that hit the

02:42:10.920 question from you know a number of different ways wolf throne also asks do you think it was possible

02:42:17.780 with enough spiritual growth to understand the gods fully no yeah i was gonna say no

02:42:26.600 um and my math people

02:42:32.420 tell me what this is i don't know it's a parabola i don't know the math term but there's the thing

02:42:38.700 where a line will trend closer and closer and closer and closer to the other line

02:42:46.380 without ever actually touching it and that's kind of the thing we always want to be more perfect in

02:42:53.600 our understanding of the gods and know them better but at the end of the day they are gods

02:42:59.540 and we are people and it doesn't work quite like that and if there were any asterisks to the

02:43:07.660 statement i think there's certainly an asterisk in the sense of certainly we will not have a

02:43:16.460 perfect understanding of our gods in this this existence in midgard now if the gods choose to

02:43:23.920 elevate us to something more than we are after that still i don't think we'll come to a perfect

02:43:30.880 understanding but i do think our understanding will get closer to it i think through right

02:43:37.280 action through spiritual growth through the gift cycle we will always get to a

02:43:44.640 better understanding towards the gods all right can you say that word yeah that's what i was looking

02:43:52.640 see i knew it was a thing but i didn't know the word and now i do

02:44:01.380 so um we are getting a closer understanding of mathematics

02:44:06.220 no thank you for finding that nick good on you it's fun what do you what do you think about

02:44:12.880 will we ever you know if we try hard enough will we ever fully understand the gods

02:44:17.560 um no and my my reasoning comes from the soul the i

02:44:24.840 our soul and our soul components are reliant upon the the gods and they are fragmentary i think

02:44:35.720 i think that our our reckoning and understanding because the question is again fully understanding

02:44:42.600 is that um by our very nature we are um fragments that are affected by and and need components to

02:44:55.640 remain via the gods and i don't think that we as these fragmentary pieces will ever get to truly

02:45:03.960 understand the entirety of like what is the soul of the gods um what is you know odin's

02:45:11.320 soul or thor's soul um we don't get that's that's on a that's another hierarchy level that we just

02:45:20.360 don't transcend that um perhaps we could understand the very nature of our own souls

02:45:26.920 or the very nature of say the souls of our people um and that transcendence does i think elevate us

02:45:34.920 but if there's i think there's a threshold where you just don't go into understanding

02:45:41.320 um the entirety of that which your very ability to understand hinges on them that piece that you

02:45:49.300 gain the on of your soul is the is the the the keystone it's the linchpin that

02:45:57.580 you know your entire understanding is built on so um you never quite get a get a chance to see

02:46:04.180 beyond that and I I just don't think I mean I don't know I don't think that's a bad thing

02:46:09.400 If that's, um, you know, something worth saying, you know, I, I would love to ponder the, I guess the possibilities, but, um, you know, understanding, I think understanding ourselves and understanding our folk is a much loftier, um, thing to then to try to understand the entirety of the gods.

02:46:37.180 If that makes any sense.

02:46:39.400 It does. I just want to check something on the questions.

02:46:48.280 I'm going to start this out there because it's relevant to the conversation going on in the

02:46:53.400 comments. I was going to step away for one second. Go ahead. I want to address the idea

02:46:59.240 of might makes right. Because this is something that's frequently said, but I think

02:47:09.400 it requires a certain amount of context.

02:47:15.320 And it's been expressed in many different ways

02:47:19.540 at different times. 0.97

02:47:21.280 And sometimes it's just wrong and silly,

02:47:25.560 but other times it very much has,

02:47:29.180 it expresses a truth in the sense.

02:47:34.620 And when you look into it,

02:47:36.160 where the phrase comes from,

02:47:37.520 kind of the ideological pinning of it the idea that

02:47:44.000 the victor gets to determine you know how to frame morality of what you know they get to write the

02:47:53.360 history they get to determine good or bad they get to uh they get to set the rules those with

02:48:01.120 the power get to make the decisions and that's just kind of a truth that exists if you have

02:48:08.320 enough force to compel people to bend to your will then you get to be as malevolent or benevolent

02:48:16.640 as you choose to be there's truth in that in a natural sense our goal is not to be like

02:48:28.000 untouched nature the savagery of nature is kind of antithetical to our goal the whole idea is

02:48:36.080 that our gods shape order from the chaos around them now that can be said because they have the

02:48:44.160 might to take that control and do that shaping and in that sense absolutely but that's the idea

02:48:52.800 of winning so that you can create the order that's right and moral and good um

02:49:03.280 this appeal to barbarism as an escape from morality isn't anything that our ancestors believed in

02:49:15.360 it's not something that our folk have ever embraced or ever been seen as a positive thing

02:49:24.080 nobility has always been seen as positive even if people act differently you can tell the

02:49:31.360 values that are held up and extolled are absolutely values of noble behavior of honor of

02:49:40.640 the truth of, you know, being able to trust somebody by their word and value the reputation

02:49:46.860 of them. The folks that pretend that that's not the case, it's very misguided. And we

02:49:59.360 run into that with a lot of people. I think a lot of early writing on House of True posits

02:50:05.440 that in a little bit more let's celebrate barbarism i think there's a lot of uh stuff

02:50:13.120 that went to that and i see over on the side you know references to to nietzsche and evelyn

02:50:22.080 either one of them wouldn't win in a fight with most anybody so i don't think that's if that is

02:50:30.160 the understanding that we need to you know the only thing we respect is power and you know morality

02:50:37.520 is just man-made and might makes right and you do whatever you want you know evola spent most of his

02:50:43.360 life in a wheelchair that means i kick over his wheelchair and take his food and take his women

02:50:47.200 and take his house and take whatever that's not the way of noble people and it's certainly not

02:50:54.320 something that uh evola or nietzsche would support and it would be ludicrous for them to do so

02:51:01.760 because they certainly didn't have the the ability in their life to support that physically or to

02:51:06.960 make that work in their favor in any way so i think so here's the thing and this isn't aimed at um

02:51:17.360 guy in the chat room talking about it because again you can take it a lot of different ways

02:51:21.520 i'm trying to address different ways people take it one thing that is an absolutely good

02:51:27.840 thing with it is the idea that you need to go out of your way and do everything you can to win

02:51:35.120 because once you win and you have the power then you can make stuff right you have the agency to

02:51:43.440 fix things and to protect the weak and to make the world the place that it should be

02:51:51.520 So will to power in a Nietzschean sense is a great thing if it's done by a moral and a noble person.

02:52:01.240 It's a bad thing if it's done by somebody who's malevolent and indulgent in only their own vices.

02:52:08.220 So it's very contextual. It really depends on what that means.

02:52:12.840 but no just reverting to state of nature barbarism is absolutely the opposite of what

02:52:22.040 the iser and what our people have always sought to do and it's always been looked down upon

02:52:28.440 as churlish by our people like literally that's kind of the juxtaposition that's the whole 0.59

02:52:34.420 principle of the lay of rig is the idea of taking our people from that state of nature

02:52:39.660 and evolving them to something more and something better.

02:52:45.460 Svon, what are your thoughts on that?

02:52:49.340 I wonder if it would change people's concepts

02:52:54.480 if it was worded,

02:52:58.040 the might of my people makes right

02:53:00.300 versus might makes right.

02:53:05.500 Because again, we continually talk about the morality

02:53:08.460 in which we look at the inner guard, outer guard, and Ousitru is very much built around the idea of

02:53:14.440 those within and those without. And, you know, that does set a precedent. Obviously, this rule

02:53:21.200 could then apply to other people, or perhaps it couldn't. It's just that it applies only to your

02:53:27.940 own people. I mean, I guess that would be a measure of rationale. It's funny because it

02:53:33.960 doesn't it doesn't always get expressed that way you know looking into it the the first i guess

02:53:40.160 historical expression of something similar is vae victus like um you know woe to the you know

02:53:48.760 woe to the conquered and that's the case you know the the conqueror gets to be as benevolent or

02:53:58.420 malevolent as they choose to those they conquer and that's very often not a happy situation

02:54:08.500 it doesn't mean it can't always be it's one of the things the more you seek means in your life

02:54:16.900 power whatever that looks like and this is really easy to misinterpret but the more powerful you are

02:54:22.980 the more agency you have to help people you can use that by taking from people by exploitation and

02:54:33.060 rape and pillage and murder and whatever you want to do you can also use that to champion

02:54:39.140 the people who are mistreated you can use that to make sure that elders are well taken care of

02:54:46.420 and make sure that villains are dealt with swiftly and you can do a lot of good things with it too

02:54:52.420 if it's just an expression of power but it's not in and of itself an expression of morality at all

02:54:58.340 and i think that's the question that comes up morality absolutely exists and it is important

02:55:05.780 the nobility of our folk is to spread morality and to imbue the world that we have power over

02:55:17.780 with morality and to build like we talked about earlier in the story to build that

02:55:25.220 oasis of order in a sea of chaos

02:55:33.220 um i wanted to say please i see a comment and i i just i because i had a conversation about this

02:55:40.340 and i don't mean to side rail or maybe this is a good segue i see a comment here it says whenever

02:55:44.580 I see a from Kevin T whenever I see a white shirt like that with a tie I think of the Mormons or the

02:55:51.180 Jehovah Witnesses um and I wanted to bring it uh I don't think that was a a slight or something I

02:55:59.300 think that was just he's he's remarking on it but I had a conversation at work today I wore I wear

02:56:05.540 this I wore this to work and um I wear you know a suit top and um even though it's really really

02:56:12.020 hot i'm thankful because i used to work in labor jobs i work in air conditioning now so i have the

02:56:17.860 ability to uh wear a suit and tie if i want and um i wanted one of the things that i brought up

02:56:24.980 to one of my clients who was asking me why i was dressing like this is i think that a lot of people

02:56:31.140 fail to remember that this is western dress this is western society not western cowboy but like

02:56:38.580 western society dress i think um you know when we think of say like a japanese businessman is

02:56:47.060 wearing a suit and tie um he is adopting a dress from a whole other group of people us so i i really

02:57:00.180 encourage people to um consider these things despite the trappings if somebody sees you know

02:57:08.340 like thinks of a jehovah witness or a moment or somebody might think of a japanese businessman

02:57:13.380 or they might think of you know a yuppie from wall street or what have you there's a lot of these

02:57:17.540 little tropes and like ideas that we we hold on to with certain things but to consider

02:57:25.540 what our what is an exemplification of our western dressing what exemplifies us as a as almost as a

02:57:34.260 people it culturally you know expresses itself from you know five or six decades easily the the

02:57:42.500 the the suit and tie was you know uh and a hat and an outer coat and things like that that was

02:57:48.900 like nobody would leave their house like that so i think and i really encourage people that

02:57:56.100 that they should consider about when it's appropriate to dress in a Western style.

02:58:03.820 It's our cultural right, and we should embody it.

02:58:08.220 We shouldn't think about it as like, oh, I'm in trouble.

02:58:10.320 I got to go to court.

02:58:11.680 So I'm going to, I guess I got to throw on the monkey suit or what have you. 1.00

02:58:15.720 Honestly, if that reminds them of Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, good.

02:58:20.840 It reminds them of pious people that are out there doing religion.

02:58:24.600 The reason that I'm wearing it is the same reason that they are. You dress your very best when you're representing your God or your gods. And that's absolutely the reason that both Swan and myself are doing that right at the moment.

02:58:40.880 And, you know, good. That's one of the really nice things to experience as a go-fi is other people.

02:58:51.880 house true is a

02:58:57.780 let's say new but obviously

02:59:03.960 it was the religion of our ancestors

02:59:06.020 but it's a renewed faith

02:59:08.400 and it's one that

02:59:10.220 is you know

02:59:11.420 been evolving

02:59:14.240 and growing and still in a very early

02:59:16.300 stage of that

02:59:17.680 a lot of us

02:59:20.260 are very used to

02:59:21.620 also true not being taken seriously one of the things that dressing with a shirt and tie

02:59:30.100 and looking professional when you're doing it and being visible to take it very seriously does

02:59:36.420 is instills that also true is real when we interact with other members of the community

02:59:41.940 um i've been lucky enough to have some very nice interactions with folks when i've done

02:59:50.380 ministry in prisons when i've done been in a hospital setting with people who were were ill

02:59:57.940 or dying when other clergymen and women of different faiths interact with me it's been

03:00:06.780 really nice for alsatru for them to treat me as a colleague and you know oh okay and take that

03:00:15.320 very seriously. I don't know that others get to have that experience as often, but that's been

03:00:22.900 a really nice thing that I think us trying to dress with dignity is done. And I'm really happy

03:00:31.220 about that. There's a lot of people today that take Ausitru and thus our gods much more seriously

03:00:38.900 because of that. And I'm happy to see that. Yeah, he emphasized it wasn't like a slight or

03:00:47.340 an insult. No, no. I take no offense by it. I know some people have a bad attitude about it.

03:00:55.220 Some people think it's awesome. And other people are just curious. It's not necessarily what they

03:00:59.020 expect. So no, that's no offense taken. Oh, I think that Kevin T says he lives between California

03:01:07.180 and nevada where i'm very curious i live you know over here in uh in reno so you may live really

03:01:14.980 close to me next up i see uh linguistic question mainly for swan see what you did there wolf throne

03:01:31.380 i have to answer your question but i'm gonna let swan take it first because you were aiming it at

03:01:34.900 no slouch on linguistics all right it's believed that tiwaz is derived from deus since zeus and

03:01:46.660 jupiter also come from days is it safe to assume that they're the same deity however tier does not

03:01:54.060 assume a sky father role in our lore odin clearly assumes that role he is even the father of tier

03:02:00.920 So my question then is, does Wodenaz also come from Deus?

03:02:06.620 I believe if that's the case, then Odin would be the Skyfather and Tyr would probably have had a different name that is now lost to us.

03:02:16.500 Can you clear this up for me?

03:02:18.140 okay first linguistically wodenos does not have a correlation to

03:02:26.540 deos dios or dios or dios um from my understanding wodenos as far as i know

03:02:37.560 goes all the way back or is correlated more to ecstatic inspirational and furiousness um a state

03:02:47.780 of being but so the direct correlation there i don't think there is um however i've spoken about

03:02:58.580 this before and i believe and this is comes comes from observation when we look at say the hindus

03:03:05.620 and we have uh they have deus um potter and deus prita i believe they're they they speak of the um

03:03:14.980 um you know the the like the heavenly father heavenly mother um and then we see this creation

03:03:23.560 of the tripartite that follows the separation of Indra from D uh from Dias Patar is a huge event

03:03:33.220 and like presuming to that their Indra becomes the like established the the throne of the sky

03:03:42.460 father even though dios patar precedes him and there is what i call the tripartite and in that

03:03:49.260 you can kind of see it in every arian faith so we have indra we have um vishnu and agni

03:03:57.820 at that time there's been some evolutions uh ever since the hindu religion has gone on but from

03:04:05.820 my observation looking at it like that time i would definitely kind of angle in that that's

03:04:10.300 the tripartite and so that usage of the word deus is done in the predecessor of the tripartite

03:04:20.460 none of the tripartite has the name deus in it indra vishnu and um agni so that's interesting

03:04:30.060 because this is one of the times in which we see that name being utilized by a predecessor

03:04:35.420 um then we look at say like the hellenistic we look at uh cronus and gaia as the predecessor

03:04:46.460 and then they have the tripartite being jupiter hadis and uh poisseton or or neptunus um and

03:04:57.740 they even numbered their tripartite you know uh jupiter carrying the single scepter or the single

03:05:04.760 uh lightning bolt hadis carries the bident and uh neptun carries the trident so they they numbered

03:05:13.560 their tripartite um again we see this and we don't know too much about this with the gauls

03:05:18.520 the predecessors but we do know that the tripartite of the goals and at least maybe in the mainland 0.92

03:05:24.280 and again it's very hard to pin them down we have um teratatus tyrannis and asses amongst the slavs

03:05:34.680 they don't speak too much about the predecessor, though the Latvians do. They call it the 0.90

03:05:40.940 predecessor Deus. We see Svaurag, Perun, and Veles as being the tripartite. So I think that

03:05:55.800 the Germanic tripartite has existed and we can very quantifiably see it. I think that the usage

03:06:02.600 of the word dios or or or uh any variant thereof can be applied to the predecessors of of the

03:06:13.400 tripartite members of the tripartite in various arian faiths and even to the the children of

03:06:22.540 um like in descendancy and i think also it kind of has been applied to certain female

03:06:30.540 uh factors and you see that a lot in hindu so from my observation the idea is that

03:06:36.360 let's say in our faith alone we are looking at um boar the one who bears up and best love the

03:06:47.520 one who besets and they in turn are relinquishing their thrones over to the tripartite and there

03:06:57.440 we have, it's, we see it in Tacitus. We also see it in the surviving days of the week. We see the

03:07:04.480 tripartite as Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Tiwaz, Wodhanaz, and Therizaz. And generally, you know,

03:07:16.000 I've always viewed it, the center is the, is the most important, the highest peak. So I think in

03:07:20.180 the Germanic, Wodhanaz is clearly the top of the tripartite, thus taking the entirety of what would

03:07:26.920 be like the sky father. But there are other aspects that are clearly anointed to Thor and to

03:07:37.180 Tyr. And I think a lot of people forget about the runic poem in which Tyr is referred to as

03:07:42.760 the North Star, the one that holds the vestige of the polarity. And so I think a lot of people

03:07:52.680 don't equate that in the Anglo-Saxon, not in the Old Norse. But I do believe the tripartite,

03:08:01.940 even amongst the Germans, was set that way. So is Lord Ovin the pinnacle of the tripartite, 0.86

03:08:09.400 thus taking the mantle of and being the sky father from Bor, one of the first

03:08:18.920 I see her to establish heaven. Um, yes, 100%. Um, but the usage of the name and the, and the,

03:08:27.800 of Dios transfers and you look at different cultures and see it again, some of it is applied

03:08:33.600 to the gods before the gods. Some of it is applied to the gods and some of it's applied to

03:08:38.560 the descendancies. So I think that that word causes a lot of confusion and problems. And when

03:08:46.480 people don't look at, they, if they're attempting to cram all of the gods into one sky daddy and

03:08:53.580 earth mommy, um, they're doing a, uh, an impious act because the tripartite is constructed in 0.97

03:09:03.400 every Aryan branch that our ancestors shared this commonality with, with a reason. I can 1.00

03:09:11.120 speculate on that reason but i don't know it fully i can only look with with um again humbleness

03:09:19.840 towards this i can't say the gods are this the gods are that what i can do is look and go oh well

03:09:27.200 i see deus potter and deus uh petra and they're very similar to bore and to bestla and then they

03:09:34.080 beget this this triplicate of the sky they have the the pinnacle of the tripartite um and then

03:09:41.920 they have you know the the storm or and and the the static and that's where i've i've spoken at

03:09:48.640 great length at why the tripartite is the dynamic throne the um static throne and the catalystic

03:09:56.080 throne and when you look at different aryan branches those are sometimes switched the static

03:10:02.560 throne is the highest, and the catalystic and dynamic are interplayed below, versus where I

03:10:13.240 believe for us, the Teutonic Arians, the dynamic throne is the highest throne, and that throne is

03:10:18.820 Lord Odin, and the static throne is Lord Tyr, and that would also greatly explain the loss of his

03:10:24.980 hand and the inability for him to losing that, that might, that sacrifice and why Thor is all

03:10:33.020 generally is the catalyst in every branch. The striker is always the one who usurps thresholds

03:10:40.760 and doesn't traverse into the underworld in almost all of the branches of our, of our brethren.

03:10:47.540 So that's why I think it's a lot deeper than who is Sky Daddy, who is Earth Mommy.

03:10:56.120 The idea of gods and their functionality is, again, I think to a degree wrongly directionalized.

03:11:10.760 our understanding of arian god functions is a scholastic attempt to categorize and better

03:11:24.520 understand understand the religion of our forefathers that's not wrong but it needs to

03:11:30.340 be kept in perspective certainly some of that rings true we certainly see a lot of these commonalities

03:11:36.860 in different Aryan faiths, and I think that's absolutely valid to a degree.

03:11:44.220 But I would challenge everybody to look at it from a different angle.

03:11:49.240 Start from the gods and work down.

03:11:54.000 And in understanding starting from the gods and working down,

03:11:58.520 ironically, you start from the most simple understanding of humans

03:12:04.200 and assume the gods are the very best of us and that we reflect them in some way.

03:12:10.440 They are so very much more than us, and I don't mean any impiety in saying and suggesting otherwise.

03:12:19.180 But we believe very much, this is the point of polytheism,

03:12:22.820 is that our gods are individual conscious beings.

03:12:27.220 As such, Svahn's go-to in linguistics is better than mine.

03:12:38.140 Svahn is not the go-thee of linguistics, and I'm the go-thee of, I don't know, drinking IPAs.

03:12:45.960 It doesn't work that way, though it's something that I happen to do more than Svahn, because he's not a drinker,

03:12:53.200 and Svan happens to do the other better than I do, doesn't mean I can't learn about linguistics or Svan can't have a beer.

03:13:04.440 It's a very linear thinking that denies the scope of our gods.

03:13:11.300 Now, depending upon where you live and what you did, certainly if we're going to look, Odin is a more prominent god of kingship than other gods.

03:13:21.400 But Lord Frey is a god of kings.

03:13:24.900 The yingling line is from him.

03:13:29.040 You have, depending on where you're at, different gods of bounty.

03:13:32.420 You have different gods of war.

03:13:34.620 All of our gods, say that, a great majority of many of our gods,

03:13:41.100 very clearly are warrior gods that affect battle and combat.

03:13:46.240 But we see very specifically gods that are looked to for war from our people.

03:13:54.300 Tyre is one, but Odin is another one.

03:13:56.020 I see over on the side a suggestion.

03:13:57.880 Otherwise, it's not really the case.

03:14:01.040 So many of Odin's names, of the Hethi for Odin, or Heriafather, the father of the war band.

03:14:12.080 And so many bands of warriors are throughout Aryan religion are devoted to Odin.

03:14:20.200 Really good book. The One-Eyed God talks about that a lot, and it's really, really cool and really well done.

03:14:32.440 But there's a lot of bands of warriors that are specific to Odin, the tradition of the Ofednar and of the Berserker.

03:14:42.080 are thought to be odin cultists um the idea of throwing the spear before battle to the vote

03:14:49.920 you know the whatever's gained from the enemy host towards the all-father is is a very

03:14:57.520 traditional thing to suggest that odin's not a war god is is just not historically sound um

03:15:05.920 But yes, Tyr is also a god of war. The two aren't mutually exclusive. So I think it's strange to put that. Back to your original question, yes, linguistically, Odin and Tyr go back to very different linguistic words.

03:15:24.940 Tyr goes back to the very concept of a god itself and the idea of a bright sky, whereas Wodenaz goes back to the idea of the woad, the fury, the ecstasy.

03:15:41.700 so odin is a you know in the most literal sense a more magical esoteric inspiration frenzy like

03:15:54.780 overcome with divine ecstasy god whereas tear is is more of a you know over overarching

03:16:05.380 pillar of divinity both of them go back to that linguistic root when you try to compare them though

03:16:13.340 to real but when you try to compare any of the icier to cognates in

03:16:19.480 the hellenic or the roman faith it just doesn't quite work cleanly and it's one of the that's

03:16:30.100 probably the hardest Arian branch to find real direct one-for-one identity between the Aesir

03:16:40.060 and the Alenquians. It works differently, and I think that they both come from the same root.

03:16:46.080 And again, if we assume that these are the same personages, the same personalities,

03:16:52.020 then how that sorts out is a little bit different but but yeah no they're they're different and

03:17:02.880 there doesn't the idea that the gods never told us there is a sky father we decided one day that

03:17:10.140 linguistically we're going to call a certain god in each pantheon a sky father and that's what

03:17:15.840 we're going to go with. Don't get that mistaken. Our gods didn't do that. We did that as a way to

03:17:23.160 better understand our gods. Our gods can sort that out however they want. We have many gods

03:17:28.860 associated with the sky. I mean, Svan talked about the Stormfather today in reference to Asa Thor.

03:17:35.840 In some ways, he's very much a sky god. His might is exhibited almost exclusively in the sky

03:17:43.460 in the cognates and the linguistics of the thunderer.

03:17:47.820 It's lightning and thunder

03:17:49.360 and the roaring of his chariot across the clouds.

03:17:53.540 That doesn't make him the Skyfather.

03:17:57.080 And I think that, again,

03:17:59.220 I think we get very lost in a quest for a Skyfather

03:18:01.880 who are much better served

03:18:03.080 building relationships with our gods

03:18:06.660 through the gift cycle

03:18:07.680 and seeking to understand them on their terms

03:18:10.340 as opposed to on Dumazil's terms.

03:18:14.260 i i did want to say one other thing too for people that are listening like two things to consider

03:18:19.780 one when we look at the guild forgetting and he meets the three kings high just as high in the

03:18:25.380 third i believe this again is another reinforcement of the tripartite um i also think that the

03:18:31.780 venerable um is it beads beads bead is now he or excuse me who was the one that went to upsala and

03:18:42.740 spoke of the adam of bremen that was adam of bremen sorry i get i get the beads and bremen

03:18:48.500 mixed up sorry uh so bremen spoke of when he saw the temple which i i actually kind of highly doubt

03:18:55.860 he even physically saw it um there's a reason to believe that he was just told like this is how it

03:19:01.380 works but um he speaks of there are three statues in the temple thor is at the center the furious

03:19:10.260 one is to the side and the fruitful one is to the side and i'm only to i'm only leading to believe

03:19:16.420 that four is in the center and that that is there is lord odin and there is uh the holy fray i believe

03:19:24.820 that one of the big things about the tripartite is their dot is the ability that our ancestors did

03:19:31.940 did not just solely affixate the gods to things that they constructed, but that felt that their

03:19:42.940 relationships with the gods could change and evolve. And that Lord Odin is the leader of the

03:19:51.260 Aesir. But that doesn't mean that during the harvest season, when you're praying for rain,

03:19:57.420 that you can't have thor in the center of the of the of the uh of the deus and i don't think that

03:20:04.540 that um uh takes away from it and um the other thing is is you can look at other um aryan branches

03:20:13.860 and always see what i the tripartite to me is just a cool way of saying the stratification of

03:20:20.300 the heavenly the um the the way that it's ordered and it's always done in three sometimes it's done

03:20:27.560 where one below one in the middle and one above like with the hellenics hadith is below neptune

03:20:33.500 is in the middle and um uh deus pater or jupiter is is is above um so there's a lot of differences

03:20:43.600 between us and i think that the gods are the gods and they are like our gods are the slavic gods are

03:20:50.880 the you know vice versa it's arian gods are the arian gods but that our cultures our stories

03:20:57.600 and the reflections of the deeds of the gods both cosmically and physically reflect very differently

03:21:05.040 based on our individual arian cultures so you you you the one thing that i always find that's

03:21:12.720 kind of common though is the catalystic throne of the tripartite i.e the the the the striker

03:21:20.480 the thunderer is always pretty consistent everything else gets a little crazy and people

03:21:26.160 try really hard to jam and cram when i don't think you can i think you can you have to look

03:21:31.360 at the observation so is is lord othen the pinnacle of our tripartite absolutely 100 percent um

03:21:38.800 Um, and I'm not deviating away from that tier also does have heavenly connotations with his

03:21:46.760 connection to the North pole and the guiding star. So that kind of, I hope that denounce or like

03:21:52.900 detracts away from people saying tears, not doesn't have any heavenly thing. And, um, and then,

03:21:59.960 you know, some people go so far as to say tier is Loki in this story and tier doesn't exist.

03:22:04.780 i think that's very impious and very very dangerous um to do but i hope that helps as far as

03:22:13.340 again looking at so so complicated again i think that those questions are fine to ponder i don't

03:22:22.700 mean to diminish that but if you don't start from the most simple understanding and relationship

03:22:32.220 all the science in like the science of religion stuff a lot of that's superstition and it's one

03:22:44.180 of the things that separates religion from you know ooga booga superstition stuff is it's not

03:22:52.760 about turning around in the circle three times and if you get the step wrong then the gods do

03:22:59.400 bad stuff to you it's very much about building relationships we fundamentally since the earliest

03:23:08.120 days of our childhood understand relationships is one of the things that makes us human

03:23:14.280 we relate to people in a certain way we relate to ancestors to you know heroes to

03:23:21.480 other people with a wide variety of different different relationships but you have to boil it

03:23:31.400 down to the most simple and then you build upon it in a quest to better understand who you're

03:23:37.480 building a relationship with all of the scholarship in the world doesn't make you closer to a

03:23:44.440 relationship with the gods or to you know being known by them um and i think that's really

03:23:55.880 important i think we lose sight of it the more we get into the weeds of i don't know

03:24:01.880 dumazillion how you stratify aryan religiosity i think a lot of that's navel gazing and it's

03:24:10.680 it's fun to do it's interesting but more fundamental is go to your altar make an

03:24:15.640 offering make a prayers and build a relationship none of the rest of it matters the end of the day

03:24:21.640 your scholasticism of what spot you put them in or how you all of that is very small in the

03:24:28.440 comparison of reaching out making an offering and being open to who reaches back to you

03:24:37.560 um go ahead uh i was gonna i saw a little bit in the in the conversation on the side here

03:24:44.940 um one thing to consider if we look at the tripartite of the teutonic people

03:24:49.320 utilizing uh tier or odin and thor in the relationship of war each of them has a very

03:24:59.360 distinct difference uh lord tier is i have always associated with one the sacrifice of war the

03:25:06.240 reclamation and the nation that gains victory victory for the living what do you do after the

03:25:12.460 war or what do you do after the conquest how do you build how do you how do you gain after moving

03:25:18.300 against your enemy so i've always looked at tier in in relation to um the nation and and war as

03:25:26.860 of the people that are living with lord odin because of my observations of of the iron hair

03:25:32.940 you are and the way that our ancestors spoke of him i look at him in relation to war as especially

03:25:38.460 this psychopomp of the soul and how uh in deep relation to the individual uh soldier warrior

03:25:47.580 and their relation to war not everyone's going to get chosen for war you you know you get

03:25:53.980 bombed in your foxhole is is that an immediate no there's there's a there's a a process that

03:26:00.140 lord othen has where he becomes the choosing father but in war i very much associate him with

03:26:06.140 the individual soul and lord thor protection and really bravery the idea of being the unstoppable

03:26:16.220 and going forth and and not being fearful lord thor is often referred to as the you know the

03:26:21.900 warrior god the god of warriors the god of of carls or free men or fighting men so all three

03:26:28.460 of them have correlations to war just different and i think that that's a way that i would beckon

03:26:34.700 a lot of the people that are watching this show to look at the gods and see them that

03:26:39.020 there is a correlation in all three but might have different focuses all right well next up

03:26:52.060 Hello. Have either of you heard of Marcus Follin, a.k.a. The Golden One? He's a Swedish YouTuber,

03:26:59.700 bodybuilder, pan-European nationalist, and vaguely pagan. Yeah, I have. I actually met

03:27:04.920 Marcus when I was in Sweden for an AFA trip. Along with some others, we had dinner. I was

03:27:15.020 in Stockholm at this, seemed like a small spot, but you went in, you underground and

03:27:21.520 opened this big cellar and it was kind of a Viking themed dinner place. And that was

03:27:27.280 nice. So it was nice to kind of hang out with them a little bit. And yeah, we got to, got

03:27:32.960 to eat them. Seen like a real nice guy. I've always, you know, I have not heard much of

03:27:38.340 or about him in a long time uh this was 2019 that we did that um not sure you know that's that's the

03:27:48.960 best I've got that's probably the last I've really heard much from or about uh Marcus but it was

03:27:55.320 really nice to get to meet him and and you know enjoy a meal with him and yeah it's fun have you

03:28:01.440 are you familiar okay well first off you never told me that you had dinner with him so like I

03:28:06.960 like what like why did you why i never heard this um i know there was like a language

03:28:15.360 so and this isn't this isn't a slight he was much more shy into himself than his you know very

03:28:22.240 bombastic you know alter ego that that he's that he's built for himself online i'm sure i was too

03:28:28.960 you know there's a little bit of a language thing although he speaks very good english um but it

03:28:34.640 And it wasn't just like he and I, it was the other people who were over there with me.

03:28:40.680 Actually Thorgren, who started the show, he passed away recently, he was over there with

03:28:45.640 me.

03:28:46.640 Yeah, and a couple of, and some other folks, so it was, you know, it was a handful of us.

03:28:52.880 That's freaking cool.

03:28:53.880 No, I only know him from the internet side of things, and I like a lot of what he posts,

03:29:03.960 But I see something in him. There's either two things. Either he is attempting to keep the priority of saving the West as the highest priority, and therefore he will cater to Christian idealism and Ausatru ideals. He'll do both.

03:29:27.580 But if that was the case, it's kind of odd. I think the more tragic possibility is that he has a calling in his blood for one way, which is the way of his ancestors.

03:29:45.580 But he's battling with a lot of the fear that that Christianity places on people in which you the caveat, of course, beings that you're going to go to a bad place if you abandon the covenant of Yahweh and and astray from the God of the Israelites.

03:30:04.140 It's a good thing that you brought that up because it brought something to mind from the dinner that I had.

03:30:10.020 This is one of the standouts that we did talk about a little bit.

03:30:15.580 And I think this is why there's some of the ambiguity.

03:30:19.740 And this is my impression.

03:30:23.160 Please do not hold him to this or whatever.

03:30:25.980 This is not the definitive what his view on the world is.

03:30:29.600 But this seemed relevant to me when we were talking.

03:30:37.300 Sweden has been an atheist country for a very long time.

03:30:41.820 um most of us over here you know i'm i'm not sure how old marcus is i'm you know 43 as of last week

03:30:51.240 people my age here in the united states or you know

03:30:56.820 often our parents were probably raised religious if not our grandparents were definitely raised

03:31:08.760 religious. In Sweden, you're at least another generation, if not two, removed from that

03:31:19.240 regular piety. Swedish Christians, and there's obviously exceptions. I'm sure there are thousands 0.53

03:31:28.740 of exceptions. But as a rule, people will go to church to get married. Some others who

03:31:38.420 really pious will go to church on christmas or easter because it's what you do and it's kind of

03:31:44.820 an event but you don't have the same piety that you have in some other nations it's it's largely

03:31:51.300 a very godless nation overall so i think that approaching the religion from a very philosophical

03:32:00.580 atheist kind of place it's very different i think religion is a very unfamiliar thing

03:32:08.420 for him, so I think that's how he addresses it a little bit. It's more of a concept than a living

03:32:15.140 thing that he experiences. I think it's something that he's sympathetic to and would like to

03:32:20.560 experience, but there's a lot of people in our circles, especially younger people, that have

03:32:26.240 never been particularly religious, so they understand from reading that religion is important.

03:32:33.300 They do a lot of studying about religion, but they don't have a lot of participation in religion experience, so it's a more difficult transition to become piously religious for them, and it's an entirely different, I guess, starting point than a lot of us, for what it's worth.

03:33:03.300 Yeah, I, I see that battle in a lot of people. And I think one of the things that when I, when I see it, I, I see Christians kind of drag on him. Cause again, he's, he's breaking covenant with Yahweh whenever he denotes any sort of pride towards the gods of his people. 0.98

03:33:24.120 um and it's very sad but what i see when i see him kind of leaning on more of the christian side

03:33:32.360 i don't see a reason to denounce him what i see is that i i wish that aussitrew had more of an

03:33:40.020 availability i wish that there was an aussitrew folk assembly hoff there i wish there was a place

03:33:45.600 that he could go speak to gothar watch them as they bless his child when they you know they come

03:33:51.640 into the world that there was a community built around it so that's one thing i definitely noticed

03:33:57.820 between that dichotomy is whenever he brings up any sort of faith based about the gods and his

03:34:04.800 people he gets trounced on by the by the christians because that's what they're trained to do to do

03:34:10.000 because they're very very scared of the rules of yahweh and um but on our side i think it's more

03:34:19.580 of a call. We need to have reclamation. We need to have more. We need to build more to give people

03:34:28.840 like him the ability to take on the faith of his ancestors with confidence, with structure. And

03:34:35.600 that's what we're doing in the AFA. I mean, it's so different to be Ausitru. And I've been Ausitru

03:34:41.180 since the 90s. And then for suddenly there to be baby naming ceremonies in a hoff. There's a

03:34:47.760 There's a community of people that are all interlinked, that we go out on vacations with each other, and we go on picnics with each other outside of, you know, religious events. It's so different, and people, I feel like a lot of Ossetruer can't conceptualize it that way, and a lot of Christians don't want us to get that that way, because that really does pose a significant threat. 0.67

03:35:13.220 it's, it's kind of like that, that joke that when you're doing farming, you know, this is the

03:35:18.060 revolution that people don't want you to be in, you know, they want you to be out there, you know,

03:35:21.780 trying to burn things down, and they don't want you having a family and being pious and, and,

03:35:26.460 and farming or, or, you know, and having traditional values or what have you. I think

03:35:31.120 the revolution that we're doing, the real thing they don't want us to do is have that infrastructure.

03:35:36.340 They don't want us to look respectable. They don't want us to be pious and look at the,

03:35:40.480 look at the gods, um, with, you know, seriousness that we're not, we're not LARPing. We're not

03:35:46.840 archetypes or archetyping the gods. We're not doing any of that. And so I really wish there

03:35:54.080 was more for him there. Uh, we are, you know, again, a growing faith coming back in our people.

03:36:00.900 Um, but I, I, I'm proud when he does stuff to honor the gods and his ancestors. Um, and when

03:36:08.740 does some of the christian stuff i always just remind myself any christian european who is

03:36:14.820 speaking about the synonymousness of christianity with europe is there is a vast difference between

03:36:21.380 a european christian and an african christian and an eastern oriental christian and what they're

03:36:27.460 really clinging on to is the european because the christianity part is the one thing that again

03:36:33.940 doesn't care about borders doesn't care about culture doesn't care about it's it's universal

03:36:39.620 so whether it's korean jesus or dreadlock jesus or viking pajama jesus it doesn't matter

03:36:46.900 to them in the long run and i think that's inherently one of the problems um that he's

03:36:51.860 battling with um so yeah i don't know that's cool that you gotta have a meal with him i i i liked

03:36:59.460 a lot of his stuff um especially back when i was uh before i got kicked off of facebook

03:37:06.260 so that was that was all right but um yeah i haven't seen much i did i did hear he had

03:37:12.180 a child and i was super super happy for him agreed so here's an interesting question

03:37:21.780 also from the wolf throne and yes you are the only one who has asked questions tonight

03:37:25.940 outside of the original question obviously that over the side we appreciate your questions they're

03:37:30.340 good questions a conspiratorial question do you think cannabis being harmless and the demonization

03:37:38.580 of alcohol is left-wing propaganda i've noticed a push for cannabis in recent years similar to

03:37:45.380 how cigarettes were pushed in commercials back in the old days as for alcohol could it be that

03:37:50.980 alcohol is demonized because of his european tradition we know alcohol is harmful if abused

03:37:56.900 but the demonization of it today seems very intentional weed good alcohol bad is the current

03:38:02.660 narrative and that narrative is being confirmed by science but science also confirms gender

03:38:09.300 identity so science clearly has a mark marxist agenda what do you think so there's one well

03:38:20.180 there's there's what does matt think and there's like afa doesn't have a huge position on weed

03:38:26.580 um our position is don't do illegal stuff if weed is legal where you're at

03:38:34.420 is what it is be in control of yourself don't let substances make you act in a way that's ignoble

03:38:40.980 and bad but we don't have some kind of hard line weed policy the thing that's frustrating

03:38:47.220 that you point out i think there's a lot of first no and i don't see the same

03:38:56.360 weed good alcohol bad thing where i'm at um

03:39:02.040 alcohol is very culturally ingrained where weed isn't weed is very ingrained in a particular

03:39:11.600 kind of subculture or a number of subcultures but it's not woven into the fabric of western

03:39:18.160 civilization the same way the thing is and this is with science on all the things you mentioned

03:39:28.400 we were lied to for a very long time about weed

03:39:31.280 and when you know you've been lied to about it it's very easy to immediately rush the opposite

03:39:42.500 direction and I think that's what we see a lot with the flat earth people we see an evolution

03:39:50.300 of something to where people recognize a pattern of trusted authority lying to them over and over

03:40:00.560 and over again. And so they have a complete break with trusted authority, and they immediately go

03:40:07.120 the opposite direction, no matter what anyone says. Like, ah, if science says this, I'm going

03:40:14.820 the opposite way, no matter what. And I'm very sympathetic to it. I've seen that a lot

03:40:21.720 in recent years, and I don't trust a lot of quote-unquote science lately, especially in

03:40:31.520 terms of medical science because of what you mentioned, also because of the positions on

03:40:38.800 COVID and the vaccinations and the stuff. Science has been heavily, heavily politicized

03:40:45.680 and likely has been for a long time we talk about the marijuana situation it's hard to have grown up

03:40:54.320 when i did when you know weed is the worst thing ever and people go out and do this crazy mayhem

03:41:02.560 on it and all this you know it's this gateway it's this horrible horrible thing until one day

03:41:09.120 the government decides it's not and then like, no, it's just fine. It's very hard, you know,

03:41:15.560 like were you lying to me then or are you lying to me now? And so I get all the distrust. I

03:41:20.300 personally don't think it's a big deal. I don't think it's some horrible situation. I don't think

03:41:27.480 it's particularly bad for you. I also don't advocate it. I have tried it numerous times

03:41:38.520 in my life i haven't gotten much out of it and have no desire to do that i could see a lot where

03:41:47.720 i've seen it the benefits of it have been in people who have chronic pain stuff and people

03:41:54.520 who have like medical things where they really need an appetite and don't have one um so in those

03:42:02.280 kind of applications as far as, you know, either medical use or self care for you taking

03:42:08.660 care of yourself with joints or with nausea, if you, if you have various medical things

03:42:14.100 or need to put on weight or various, it's got stuff that's beneficial to it like anything

03:42:19.600 else. But no, I don't, I don't think it is all left as propaganda. There've been people

03:42:26.100 who have been trying to get the legalization of it, at least here in the United States

03:42:30.900 for a very very long time it's just hard because i think with like so many things both sides are

03:42:39.220 dishonest so you never know what to do when both sides are not telling you the truth

03:42:47.540 you're victim to all kind of craziness and we see that all the time i don't fault everybody 0.99

03:42:52.820 who comes up with an oddball theory because we do that we need patterns and nature of whores 0.50

03:42:59.540 a vacuum if the quote-unquote authorities don't give you honest things then you have to figure it

03:43:07.780 out for yourself the best you can and that's not always accurate but at least it's at least you're

03:43:12.500 honest about it that you know hey i don't know what to do so i'm looking for something but i've

03:43:17.700 run into that a lot with medical stuff no i don't think i don't i don't think the weed thing is a

03:43:24.340 secret leftist plot to have weed mess us all up but you know you never know and i'm not i'm not

03:43:30.980 that guy i've never been you know i've never been really into pot that's not my thing uh swan do you

03:43:35.860 have any thoughts on that yeah um i was gonna go into so looking into um mind-altering drugs and

03:43:47.060 religion one of the interesting things about the aryan people is that there has been kind of a

03:43:53.060 four-pillared system of these substances um first and foremost we've got alcohol it's and this is

03:44:00.660 we have carried this with us all the way to the west um but they're finding evidence to and

03:44:06.500 there's already been kind of they're not finding evidence there's uh some of that with like um

03:44:12.820 the lesser known indica um and the smoking of um marijuana in like i believe they found it

03:44:20.660 in a in a scythian burial tomb where they found a sacral brassier that had indica burned in it

03:44:27.620 um and then of course we talk about the other two pillars so there's there's the alcohol and the

03:44:31.620 indica and then there is the uh aminata muskara which is in the north of the uh steps where i

03:44:40.980 think you know the centrals where our folk come from and in the south literally springing from

03:44:46.660 the cattle is the psilocybin so the way that it was premised was there's these four pillars of

03:44:52.740 these substances especially in relation to the aryan people the the the amanada mushroom of

03:44:58.980 the northern cold the psilocybin of the southern south with with the um uh production from cattle

03:45:06.420 alcohol and indica and these four things seem to be utilized by our people at various degrees

03:45:13.220 as as nature allowed but one of those is not dependent on the environment so much and that's

03:45:22.100 alcohol so i think that's why it pervades in our culture more than anything because it was it was

03:45:28.420 you know it was transferable it didn't rely on soil you know it kind of you could use multiple

03:45:34.100 things whether it's rye or barley or honey or whatever in order to make it um so alcohol uh

03:45:41.780 clearly has a higher station um i actually abstain from drinking i don't drink only in bloat and in

03:45:49.620 symbol um so i mean i do that because i you know various issues that i have with alcohol i do not

03:45:58.100 smoke weed i don't uh partake in that either but um you know both sides i you know it's like they

03:46:04.180 both have their dangers and both have their issues so like i was here ago they said really you know

03:46:09.060 controlling yourself and not being ignoble if i find myself being ignoble when i inhib or inhibit

03:46:16.340 my mind overly much with a drug i felt it duty incumbent upon me to stop that because it would

03:46:24.340 hurt my family it would hurt my church it would hurt everyone so i decided no that's not the way

03:46:29.860 i want to go um so you know when they push this kind of stuff it really comes down to us teaching

03:46:38.180 our folk that um you know the the ability to look at their actions and what they're doing

03:46:44.740 um if you can drink and not have bring you know dishonor to your folk there's nothing really

03:46:51.140 wrong with it at all um and i i would say the same i would encourage maybe from a historical

03:46:57.700 standpoint for folk to look at indica versus sativa that because sativa is kind of like tobacco

03:47:04.500 it's a um a new world uh continental herb that are this is like the viking diet stuff

03:47:13.940 yeah no i know but it's it we're intoxicant imperialists as well well no no one thing

03:47:21.700 that i would get to though is is um more along the lines that it's it seems to be um

03:47:29.060 um, that there's a, I do believe in like ethno botany. I do believe that say, like, for instance,

03:47:36.940 people that are from the bread basket of Europe, Ukraine, they do seem to be able to digest, uh, 0.93

03:47:43.840 wheats far, uh, with a far better efficiency than people in the far, far North who don't get a lot

03:47:49.860 of bread in their diet. And so I do feel like there's like some merit to that. I'm not saying

03:47:55.360 that if you're from the north, you shouldn't, you know, eat a loaf of, you know, like have a slice

03:47:59.800 of bread or anything like that. I'm not going that far, but I do think that if we were to talk about

03:48:04.600 it, I think indica may have a kind of a more regional sense. Maybe it won't. Some people

03:48:12.000 speak about it affecting them terribly either way, but sativa is an interesting, when you look

03:48:17.560 at new world herbs and stuff like that, that's a whole nother thing. And I'm kind of dragging it

03:48:21.360 into toxicant sub uh substances and and religious lore but it depends on what you're doing are you

03:48:29.600 trying to get high are you trying to relax and get into a little bit you know better place are

03:48:36.400 you trying to treat you know something that ails you are you trying to you know journey to the

03:48:43.520 spirit world what are you trying to do there's probably different stuff and i'll say this i know

03:48:49.040 they do different things nowadays they've gotten very very advanced with hey this strain does x to

03:48:57.360 you this is good for relaxation this is good for making you giddy this is good for partying this

03:49:03.920 is good for you know reading and medic it's a there is a type of marijuana for anything you

03:49:12.960 want to do as far as the afa is concerned follow the laws in the state or country that you live in

03:49:20.560 um but as far as you know other stuff's concerned just be safe and don't let things take control

03:49:28.800 of you be the master of inspiration and not mastered by it right you want to stay in the

03:49:35.920 driver's seat um but yeah so on something that's kind of interesting also by the wolf throne and

03:49:45.760 there's a couple other people that ask questions so it's not just you ah before i do it otg mike

03:49:51.440 bought us two coffees thank you we appreciate it um these are not real coffees i was asking

03:49:59.120 nick where i could cash in and get my copies they're not the figurative coffees we appreciate

03:50:06.400 them and uh no seriously all you guys donations allow us to do what we do thank you guys so much

03:50:13.680 um coffees is just ten dollars it's five dollars a piece come on it's just fun

03:50:21.600 i could use one right now though it is it is fun all right so what are your thoughts on julius 0.99

03:50:27.680 evola's race of the soul concept do you believe in it i'm skeptical but we all know that one black

03:50:34.880 guy who's the whitest black guy you've ever met however it could just be upbringing it has nothing

03:50:42.000 to do with the soul thoughts so

03:50:56.240 like

03:50:59.040 it's interesting but it comes up against a fundamental worldview difference

03:51:12.000 So, in the Ask True Folk Assembly, we believe that each race of people are distinct and have their own standards, their own destiny, their own gods, their own stuff.

03:51:30.440 And we don't presume to dictate that for them.

03:51:36.860 we don't value members of different races by how white they are

03:51:44.540 now i think instinctively we recognize things that we find familiar

03:51:48.860 or traits that we value amongst ourselves when we see those in different people

03:51:55.340 but fundamentally we don't construct some hierarchy to where their goodness or badness

03:52:01.020 is their relation to their similarity to us. It just doesn't work that way. That's up for them

03:52:08.240 to work that out. What is interesting, and I do think is the case within Aryan people, sometimes 0.94

03:52:20.320 Sometimes the, just as we said earlier, we see in the lore a lot, the idea that nobility

03:52:32.940 manifests itself through beauty, that sometimes character and inherent nobility displays itself

03:52:44.980 genetically and physically. I think there is something to that. I don't think it's a hard

03:52:50.600 fast rule, but I do think those kinds of traits get passed on genetically and can display

03:52:58.500 in increased beauty and increased level of perfection. It's very easy to take that and be

03:53:07.300 a jerk if you look good and somebody else looks like crap and you want to like assume it means 0.99

03:53:13.060 you've got the more aristocratic soul than them there's a lot of other factors that come into play 1.00

03:53:19.220 also so it's dangerous to jump out there too far but

03:53:23.620 so i counter signal evola a lot on here and i don't mean to because he is probably my favorite

03:53:36.000 philosopher i genuinely some of the most just coolest learning i've done in my life was going

03:53:45.280 on this this quest to read everything that julius evola ever wrote that's been translated into

03:53:51.040 english and i've done that and i you know i've spent hundreds and hundreds of hours reading evola

03:53:59.120 and if all of a sudden there was a whole bunch of new italian or french editions that got translated

03:54:04.640 in the english i would buy those today and read them so it's no disrespect at all but a lot of it

03:54:11.040 does have to do you you have to put the context to where he was and what he thought i say that

03:54:16.400 about a lot of aussituary heroes i don't believe the same way that um maestro guido von liszt or

03:54:23.600 that alexander rudd mills thought because i'm in a position where i know things that they didn't i

03:54:31.600 have access to materials they didn't and things have moved forward in a lot of ways and doesn't

03:54:37.440 devalue them at all so with evil i think some of his ideas are really interesting but he dealt very

03:54:46.000 much with different kinds of europeans and he saw nobility in eastern peoples but without a great

03:54:57.520 deal of interaction and familiarity and i think at that time it was very

03:55:03.520 fashionable to look towards exotic things most of to my understanding most of evola's

03:55:13.280 interaction with eastern people was it filtered through other white people

03:55:18.880 that talked to him in aristocratic circles in europe and so

03:55:27.520 when he saw commonality he thought it raised these people above the normal

03:55:35.920 the typical standard of that race of people

03:55:41.360 i don't think

03:55:48.560 we retroactively assume an egalitarian understanding of race and culture to

03:55:55.840 people to where that wasn't the case and you see it in really ugly ways in the united states a lot

03:56:03.120 when we look at our heroes in the past and we discover ah they were racist well by today's

03:56:13.280 it's not even millennials what are the gen z now whatever the snowflake crybaby kids are now

03:56:18.800 their version of racist is pretty much anybody born before 1990 um so when you look at what

03:56:31.440 a fairly aristocratic man who was writing in the 20s 30s 40s in italy wrote about these things

03:56:40.560 it's important to take that into account but no i don't

03:56:44.000 race is race i don't think there's race of the soul i think amongst races you can see

03:56:52.160 different expressions of the soul based on their inheritance and their orlog

03:57:02.400 uh svan what do you think are you familiar with uh evola's race of the soul theory and do you have

03:57:08.480 thoughts or feelings on that um yes and i don't know i've always thought about

03:57:15.840 i'm really focusing in on that part where he says you know like the whitest black guy or like

03:57:19.680 so we speak much about the inheritance of metagenetics and that passing down these

03:57:24.960 things that go through the bloodlines and i i've just recently been watching um i i forgot the

03:57:31.280 guy's name but he's doing these genetic tests on on prominent um black americans and uh a ton of

03:57:37.680 them are finding out that they're like they're related to um everything from the what they're

03:57:43.760 like related to folk people but some of them are slave owners and stuff like that and it's you know

03:57:49.200 like levard burton you know showed a kind of an ugly side of his hatred for whites when he found 0.84

03:57:55.600 out that his he didn't like it the great granddaddy was a honky he wasn't you know no you know the

03:58:01.280 reading rainbow and all that diversity and stuff is is all good until the mask slips and then he

03:58:07.280 you know he was angry um but and i wonder it's like again i wonder if that's the metagenetics

03:58:14.240 like a lot of american uh black americans uh that do have like uh folks in their ancestry line and

03:58:21.840 and then like all of a sudden many generations down you know like the metagenetics of a gilbert

03:58:27.600 show up in in a dashawn and like and he just doesn't fit or there's like the black guy that's

03:58:34.640 you know like he i can't remember what he's saying but he's like you need to let me in

03:58:38.560 i'm i am you need to let me join my people or something like that and he's talking about how

03:58:44.080 black people like reject him because he talks white and he acts white um and then that leads

03:58:49.680 towards what what is it cultural stuff or is it genetic stuff kind of i think a combination of

03:58:54.480 the two but um no i believe that the uh the passing down of your metagenetics and the

03:59:01.680 completion of your soul really does require you to uh continue on that your ancestors take into

03:59:10.160 great consideration who you uh have children with and why it's so important that we couple together

03:59:16.960 with those considerations because of the passing on of our metagenetics our orlog our hominia

03:59:22.960 there's so many components to the soul that are getting um transferred along and if if that makes

03:59:28.880 the soul a race then i guess i agree in the sense that that's what the the gifting of that becomes

03:59:37.120 but not that's really interesting and i'm glad that you point that out

03:59:40.560 there wasn't the prevalency of mixed race people during mussolini's time or uh evola's time i saw

03:59:53.780 a quote of his praise of mussolini but i mean they're contemporaries to doing either of their

03:59:59.320 time that wasn't a common thing like it is it was you know because of the unique situation in

04:00:07.700 in america it was but in italy their african possessions there wasn't that there was africans

04:00:16.720 that were almost purely africans that they interacted with colonially or there were asians

04:00:23.820 that were you know indian for thousands of years or japanese for you know tens of thousands of

04:00:31.860 years or whatever the case was there wasn't this very wide scale doing that

04:00:37.100 you're absolutely right with metagenetics when you have all of these

04:00:42.240 different mixtures of people different traits and different things will come

04:00:47.640 out in their temperaments and natures there is something to that unfortunately

04:00:54.480 the dynamic of us and not us still very much applies

04:01:00.140 yeah but one of the things that i think is a grave injustice is the idea that

04:01:11.600 being well spoken behaving yourself 0.71

04:01:18.580 being dignified you know not being thugged out makes you you know no you're white you're not

04:01:31.000 black i think that's a gross injustice and that's i feel bad for those people that that's the

04:01:37.720 situation that they're culturally judged by and i think that you know might be unique to

04:01:44.100 african americans i'm not sure but for that to be the cultural standard of you know behaving

04:01:50.420 with dignity makes you something other and not worthy of your people that's it's a really sad

04:01:56.260 situation you know and i think that's a product of of um like you know how arius the word meaning

04:02:04.180 noble and you see that like in places where the our folk intermixed with other folk there's this

04:02:12.100 this um i don't know this thing but for i say like a full-blooded african from africa

04:02:19.220 you know to act nobly to do what's right for their people they they don't have that concept

04:02:25.620 that there isn't like a correlation based off of another group of people it's simply based upon

04:02:30.500 themselves whether or not they're going to act noble or not and then i think too a lot of times

04:02:34.340 they look at other people's asians europeans and whatever and if they're doing things better they

04:02:38.980 try to like to grasp those but it seems to be catered in america where the uh it's built on

04:02:47.780 almost this again this reversal like you said about science white people do that i gotta do this

04:02:53.460 and you know uh it just it yeah it's it's sad that that that has become the thing for them

04:03:00.740 and um you know i have met some some uh black kids and mixed kids who struggled with that from their 0.98

04:03:07.860 own people, the black people in America, just kind of tearing them down and making them 0.97

04:03:14.040 feel that way. And that sucks. I mean, I guess, you know, we all have our stuff we have to 1.00

04:03:19.040 deal with, but definitely that observation there.

04:03:22.840 So also from the Wolf Throne, are the gods immortal? Sanatan and Dharma, from what I

04:03:29.620 understand, believes the gods are not immortal or eternal, but they do live for billions

04:03:35.100 of years so i i think some of those things are kind of unknowable um

04:03:49.020 sure the gods are immortal or the

04:03:53.980 next best thing as close as our understanding goes to it there is a cycle of things and you see

04:04:03.180 like with balder well balder dies in myths but what does that mean because he's hanging out in

04:04:12.860 helheim being you know treated as as a prince and and treated well and doing things and interacts

04:04:21.820 and then he comes back to to ausgarther after after the flood there's cycles of things where

04:04:28.940 where the consciousness and the energy that is our God's move from place to place.

04:04:36.740 But one of the dynamics of energy is it doesn't get destroyed.

04:04:41.340 It goes somewhere.

04:04:43.560 And I think our God's souls are advanced to the point that that doesn't have that same level of destruction.

04:04:51.380 Now, when we're dealing in cosmic time of billions and billions of years,

04:04:55.760 I think it would be ignorant to, you know, suppose what that indicates, but our gods are alive. Our gods are as old as our race is. Certainly, our gods will live as long as we do.

04:05:15.220 that's as close to an understanding of immortality as i think makes any functional sense

04:05:24.500 swan what do you have to add on that um i believe because i've been thinking about this a lot since

04:05:31.780 our last um episode where we're talking about um the cognizance of the soul and and the idea of

04:05:39.460 of of and becoming an ancestor and whether our cognizance travels over into you know the next

04:05:46.340 life if you will and that whole subject but i think this kind of applies here too i believe

04:05:50.820 that our gods are not immortal but are eternal so the cognizance of the gods i believe can end

04:06:03.380 in certain circumstances in the stories that they've laid out for us uh that lord odin's

04:06:10.260 cognizance of being lord odin may end the moment that he coalesces with the the pure chaotic force

04:06:19.700 of ragnarok but will he continue to be or become again something else beyond ragnarok i do believe

04:06:28.260 and i think they are eternal that way also that's the kind of the difference between the death of

04:06:33.300 balder versus ragnarok there is the death of balder where he remains his cognizance to then

04:06:39.860 retain his throne but there is a level of death that i think we can't understand amongst the gods

04:06:46.180 that may remove their cognizance but nothing in the universe gets removed removed like it gets

04:06:53.700 transformed, just like I said, and that's kind of what I mean by eternal versus immortal.

04:07:00.820 Yeah, and to that effect, if there is no danger to them, then there is no catalyst that makes

04:07:09.140 things move forward. And there's clearly that, and we see that throughout our lore that they're

04:07:14.100 under threat. So clearly harm can come to them in some way. But I don't think that they're stuck in

04:07:22.100 an age situation like they get old and die we see them being renewed by by the apples of a doom um

04:07:33.220 i don't think they like get old and die can they be killed or or

04:07:39.700 damaged or dethroned in some way perhaps but i think again their consciousness survives that

04:07:47.060 process in a way that's not guaranteed to us due to the nature of their godhood

04:07:56.020 but i think at some point that becomes so very very far outside of our our existence or our

04:08:04.820 understanding i'm sure in reality it plays out a little bit differently than either of

04:08:10.020 that in a way that we don't quite understand or have words for um

04:08:18.580 matt and svan are we doomed as a race at this given moment will european whites be bred out of

04:08:25.060 existence no and no um no i mean is the thought scary absolutely are there things that you know

04:08:36.980 is that under threat and greatly being diminished by demographic things in the world and immigration

04:08:43.860 patterns and such absolutely is there forces in the world that seek to have that happen certainly

04:08:52.340 but no we're not doing i think we we do that too much we do that to ourselves we see so much

04:09:00.980 negativity and chaos around us and we start looking down we don't hold our head up and we

04:09:07.060 start losing hope the lack of hope is killing our young men and i won't further that and i won't

04:09:13.700 support that in any way no we're not doing we have the agency and ability to fix all of those things

04:09:22.100 and we're all doing that individually and in the afa we're doing our best to do that collectively

04:09:28.500 um certainly those things are big threats you're right and there's some places that

04:09:34.580 um that's terribly happened the intentional breeding out of a race of people is

04:09:42.900 um that is a genocide by the understanding of the united nations and that's wrong and we see

04:09:52.920 that happening places. But no, that's not going to happen to us as a whole. No, we're not doomed

04:09:59.860 to that. We need to be aware of it and do the best we can to have that not be the case.

04:10:07.720 But I think that's brought to our attention all the time and negativity is thrown in our face

04:10:15.580 on social media all day, every day. We think that problem is worse than it is. Not that it's not

04:10:21.940 very significant. Of course it is. But I mean, look around you, you know, white people, you see

04:10:29.300 white people, you see white people, you see white kids. It's a thing. Is it, you know, do you see 0.67

04:10:35.860 less of it than you might at a different time, depending on where you live? Absolutely. But

04:10:41.060 also depending on where you live, you can find yourself in a very homogenous community. So

04:10:49.480 no we're not doomed yes we should be aware of it but no i don't think that's the destiny of our

04:10:55.820 folk and uh we're doing what we can to make sure that's not going to happen and it's not the case

04:11:00.940 we're doing our best with it you know i'm trying to do my part i put my part to bed a couple of 0.73

04:11:08.720 hours ago you know all of us that are out there who are you know have a white spouse and are making

04:11:15.160 you know beautiful white children that's how we do that and that moves it you know one generation 0.55

04:11:20.460 forward swan do you have anything to add on that i would just say that um uh the doom or the thought

04:11:28.760 of the doom should be something that motivates you to do things in defiance of um but never be

04:11:36.280 to commandeer you if you are not making headway that doesn't mean that the doom is winning but

04:11:42.800 got to try everything you can to stand in defiance of it um just like i was here ago they said you

04:11:47.840 know like we uh my my children they uh learn who they are as people um they learn how to interact

04:11:56.240 with other people um but they understand who they are who they belong to their identity and then we

04:12:02.960 know we do things like uh recently we started doing these hour-long walks before bed and um

04:12:09.840 and then my wife kind of came up with this whole thing about like oh we got to say three things

04:12:14.720 that we're grateful for for the day and i was like man this is the most wholesome like white bread

04:12:20.320 white pill thing i've ever i've seen but that was that that was it it was the defiance despite the

04:12:27.840 doom or what we were told about and if if enough of us do that if enough of us accept that and make

04:12:35.040 that our our go-to instead of just being beaten no i definitely don't think it'll stick but it

04:12:41.840 really does it requires us to to kind of shake off that mantle of dread and start having those

04:12:48.880 hour-long walks before bedtime with the kids and and thankfulness and and making them you know

04:12:55.280 proud that you're their parents and and um you know knowing that they're going to go into a world

04:13:00.960 that's not um that is filled with that kind of doom and dread and they can fight and stand in

04:13:06.560 defiance because they saw their parents do it so that's a big one um

04:13:15.360 question do you guys have a decent amount of members in michigan because when i check the

04:13:19.280 afa website i hardly ever see any moots going on in michigan we have 12 members in michigan right

04:13:25.920 now you should join we will have 13 um all depends on what you mean a decent number of members or

04:13:37.040 not we just recently have a uh man i mean a young man step up to be a folk builder in michigan which

04:13:43.440 is awesome i think he got referenced over in the side uh chris um last name because i have not

04:13:55.280 met him i don't know if it's sabic or savage but he is folk building there and he would be able to

04:14:04.480 hook you up i think eric already connected you but c s-a-v-i-c-h at runestone.org and i want to

04:14:16.160 just double check and make sure i didn't get that wrong for you we do have stuff going on in michigan

04:14:22.080 for a really long time uh john rock has been organizing our guys in michigan and sometimes

04:14:28.160 yeah i was right anyways thank you nick um john will host things there and is in connection with

04:14:36.320 those guys too so he's another guy you may want to talk to i'm not sure say i'm not sure that's

04:14:43.520 lazy of me i can find out pretty close because i'm trying to check and make sure whether chris

04:14:49.200 is in the upper peninsula or not michigan is michigan has got a ridiculous geography no he

04:14:57.280 is not so we do not have a guy in the upper peninsula i would suggest those guys get together

04:15:01.920 with folks in wisconsin but um yeah chris is around the grand rapids area so yeah we got

04:15:10.320 stuff going on we would love to have more it all starts with people getting together and actually

04:15:16.320 doing stuff that's how we grow and that's how we do things so you know please i'd encourage you to

04:15:23.840 think about that to reach out to chris and if you if you like what we do if you share our beliefs

04:15:28.960 if you're a heterosexual white person and you'd like to come home to

04:15:33.680 our gods and stand with us we'd love to have you um also i just see kind of in the chat i'm

04:15:40.800 I'm skipping a question. I am going to answer it here in a second. AFA, Pennsylvania, question

04:15:46.240 marks. Absolutely, we got AFA in Pennsylvania. Matter of fact, Frazehoff is going to be in

04:15:52.620 Pennsylvania when we get it, or perhaps in Ohio. So we're looking at, there's kind of a triangle

04:15:59.280 that we're looking at. This is not a promise, but this is where we're looking. So there's a

04:16:06.740 triangle between Erie, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh. That's kind of the sweet spot we're looking

04:16:14.140 at. So it could be outside of that, but that's kind of where we're thinking about perhaps

04:16:20.480 putting Frazehoff, and that's going to be the next Hoff we get, and that isn't, you

04:16:25.360 know, possibly in Pennsylvania, if not right over the border, but it's either going to

04:16:29.800 be western pennsylvania or eastern ohio um yeah and this next point now over on the side we have

04:16:38.220 some very good friends we actually have a new apprentice folk builder ryan fenton

04:16:42.680 but we also have uh long-term afa members and dear friends of ours the ericsons uh witten

04:16:50.360 clifford erickson and his wife githya katie erickson are also there they're over in the erie

04:16:55.140 area and then last question of the evening from the wolf throne I like to

04:17:06.900 watch Acharya G a lot and he always says a person cannot truly claim to be

04:17:12.120 spiritual if they drink alcohol do you have any counter argument to this yeah 0.94

04:17:18.540 that's dumb I don't know that's the thing there's no like great intellectual 0.76

04:17:24.180 argument no that's counter a great vast swath of spirituality is experienced 0.99

04:17:36.500 with in conjunction with or enhanced by alcohol or some other substance that helps

04:17:45.860 access that to claim otherwise is just not true in a blanket statement that said i would never

04:17:52.020 it would never occur to me to say you can't be a spiritual person if you don't drink alcohol

04:17:59.060 and it's equally preposterous to say that drinking alcohol you can't be a spiritual person that's 0.86

04:18:05.940 silly and and just kind of kind of needlessly arrogant um the practice of consuming specifically

04:18:17.940 alcohol has been associated with spirituality of all of our aryan ancestors since the very 0.95

04:18:25.860 earliest of times no matter which branch of that you choose you know in the in the hindu tradition

04:18:34.340 and the vedic tradition they talk about drinking the soma and what that does we don't know the

04:18:41.060 exact formulation of the soma and i think there are other psychedelic elements perhaps to it

04:18:46.100 But that's a commonality throughout all branches of our faiths is the enhancement of a spiritual condition through consumption of alcohol.

04:19:01.840 Doesn't mean you have to do it, but it's certainly a common thing. It's something that is richly consumed that we've seen through, you know, pretty much all of our lore.

04:19:15.840 um it was something remarkable when when the romans encountered us was the drinking rituals

04:19:23.520 amongst the germanic tribes and how essential that was to you know allowing them to to access 0.61

04:19:31.280 the spiritual um yeah that's he's just very wrong and kind of ignorant to throw that out there in

04:19:40.560 such a such an absolute way that level of abstinence from um intoxicants and from meat

04:19:53.120 and other things isn't isn't present at the core of of our faith that's a relatively

04:20:02.640 i don't know that's kind of a hindu specific practice and i don't think it's shared by

04:20:07.440 all of that faith, or by sister branches of that development of our faith. It certainly

04:20:15.080 isn't in the original version of the Vedic version of that, and it doesn't hold true

04:20:22.040 to any of the descendant Arian spirituality in Europe at all. And it's just not true.

04:20:29.940 I have a lot of spirituality, and I drink regularly for just because and for, you know, when engaged in spiritual things.

04:20:41.300 It's been an important part of ritual, and I've witnessed very spiritual people who consume alcohol, either recreationally or spiritually or both.

04:20:50.940 I've also seen ones that don't, but to suggest that none of us who drink are truly spiritual people because he chooses not to is kind of an absurd statement.

04:21:05.780 Swan, do you have anything, any thoughts on that? 0.94

04:21:07.980 I feel like that's a bunch of Oriental gobbledygook. 1.00

04:21:12.160 And this, and I'll explain why, or at least why I'm using such hard words. 1.00

04:21:17.240 You know, I think that Oriental religions, especially where they converge with Aryan religions, stray off every once in a while. And one of the cases is something like this, in which they try to separate the ego from the strata, the pluralism of the world. 0.54

04:21:39.480 And I do, I don't believe that our gods or our ancestors saw that the goal was to separate yourself, but instead to integrate yourself, balance yourself.

04:21:50.640 Where does that stop? Does somebody tell you, hey, if you eat meat, you can't be spiritual.

04:21:57.040 If you have sex, you can't be spiritual.

04:22:00.420 See where this, this starts to remove you from the balance.

04:22:04.860 And I think that the fruits of the world, that the Vanir and the gods, the Aesir, the totality of the gods, the fruits of the world that we gain around us are built around us with the most important thing that we are attempting to do.

04:22:22.960 And we speak about it all the time in Ausitru.

04:22:25.440 It's about relationships.

04:22:27.200 It's about the cycle of relationships that you have with the gods, that you have with the ancestors.

04:22:32.020 but this also applies to the fruits of of the gods that are given to us in the world

04:22:37.220 so if you have an abusive relationship with say let's say somebody says you you can't eat meat

04:22:43.300 and be spiritual so you start eating only vegetables and only fruits and i've seen this

04:22:47.780 happen to people where they slowly erode and die they've had a bad relationship built on

04:22:52.020 a preconceived notion of detaching themselves and imbalancing everything else same thing

04:22:58.340 other direction with like with say with alcohol um uh you know they have this imbalanced

04:23:05.140 improper relationship with alcohol and it it it disconnects them from their family and their life

04:23:10.340 and everything so the real big thing i would say is um true spirituality comes with living

04:23:18.980 and attempting the balance of those relationships you learn spiritually half of the time when you

04:23:26.500 are engaged in trying to understand yourself within the world not separating from it not

04:23:33.780 cloistering yourself from it you have to live life and find out for me i found out that i had a very

04:23:40.820 abusive relationship with alcohol and my determination the most most noble action for me

04:23:46.740 was to stop drinking and i learned so much about myself from doing that i don't think that if

04:23:53.460 someone is drinking alcohol and does not have an abusive relationship that i am somehow better than

04:24:00.020 them i think that's a very terrible kind of haughty way to go about doing it i'm not saying

04:24:06.580 that that's his aim but it is kind of it is kind of bold to state and because again nobody could 0.90

04:24:12.420 say it you eat meat you can't see god you have sex you can't see god you know you you live in

04:24:18.980 the northern hemisphere you can't see god it it it removes you from the he comes about it honestly

04:24:27.220 though i mean i know some of the schools that have informed this thought and there's i i don't know

04:24:35.620 how i don't know how closely he is involved with um

04:24:42.740 the Hare Krishna movement but I know some of that inspired some of his thought and there's

04:24:53.440 that school of thought in Krishnaism the Krishna consciousness that no you need to abstain from

04:25:04.320 meat to truly be an advanced spiritual person you abstain from sex and abandon your family

04:25:10.440 and you abstain from pretty much everything but, like, milk and sweets and stuff,

04:25:19.360 and that's not healthy.

04:25:24.700 None of those people look like the pillars of health,

04:25:28.880 and I don't think that it helps you spiritually,

04:25:33.740 and I think that not just in our tradition.

04:25:35.860 around the world lots of people are spiritual and incorporate either alcohol or other substances to

04:25:48.020 enhance that spirituality it's at the very root of human spirituality altogether and

04:25:55.360 um yeah to deny that's just kind of ridiculous if you don't choose to do that because you feel

04:26:04.180 it negatively affects your spiritual pursuit then by all means go for it but that's yeah

04:26:12.500 that's just not true and i think that you know anecdotally i guarantee you know many spiritual

04:26:19.700 people in your lives who drink from time to time for whatever reason they drink it's just

04:26:26.420 demonstrably not true so i think that saying things like that kind of erode a certain amount

04:26:32.900 of credibility but i get it i understand the school that comes from and that's perhaps a

04:26:38.740 required belief in that in that system of thought but i also don't think it's true and i don't think

04:26:47.540 their own scriptures bear that out that said appreciate spending the evening with you guys

04:26:55.540 swan thank you for joining us as always i hope you'll be able to join us next week on the thors

04:27:00.660 thorshoff episode yeah we'll try to get all the thorshoff you know oath leaders on to talk about

04:27:07.940 thorshoff stuff until then i hope i can meet some of you guys or get to see some of you guys

04:27:15.220 this weekend at uh sigger bloat at siggerheim it's going to be great you know at least one of

04:27:21.140 the folks joining us uh chris lucat over on the side talked about how he's starting his his journey

04:27:26.980 here directly because he's going by road and he's got a little ways to travel. If you're interested,

04:27:32.260 you hear this, it's in Jackson County, Tennessee. Get with us. Runestone.org has got plenty of

04:27:39.260 contact information. Contact absolutely anybody. We can get you set up to attend. If you're a

04:27:46.820 member, fantastic. You should absolutely be there. It is your home too. If you are not a member yet,

04:27:53.920 why not you should join but if you're still thinking about it you can absolutely come check

04:27:59.560 it out you need to just talk to one of our folk builders and get that get that straightened out

04:28:04.380 appreciate you being with us tonight and sharing the evening with us

04:28:08.800 and until next time hail the isere hail the folk hail the afa remember victory never sleeps

04:28:23.920 Thank you.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - July 18, 2024

7⧸17⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 106 - Hymiskviða

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