Asatru Folk Assembly - 7⧸2⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 156 - Grípisspá

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00:04:00.000 All right. Hello and welcome to another exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps. As you may

00:04:15.940 have noticed on the graphic on the intro to the show, I want to acknowledge a member

00:04:23.580 and friend to many, John Fred Kilpatrick, passed away at 81 this last month, and we

00:04:34.340 wanted to acknowledge his passing, and he will definitely be missed. I was fortunate

00:04:41.800 enough I got to meet him once and talk to him a little bit, and this wasn't too long

00:04:47.600 ago and see and well into his late 70s, he was formidable at the throwing axes we had at the

00:04:54.240 event. He was just, he was making them all stick and putting everybody else to shame. So there you

00:05:02.700 go. Hail to you, Fred. That said, welcome everybody. We had a fantastic midsummer celebration

00:05:11.640 at Odenshoff this last weekend.

00:05:14.180 Thank you to everybody who came out.

00:05:16.520 We had folks there from

00:05:18.060 New Hampshire, Delaware,

00:05:21.720 Wisconsin,

00:05:24.360 Pennsylvania,

00:05:29.400 where else far afield?

00:05:31.060 We had a couple more.

00:05:32.020 We had some folks from Minnesota.

00:05:34.020 We had people from far and wide

00:05:36.200 come and join us.

00:05:37.120 It was a fantastic event.

00:05:40.520 So, yeah.

00:05:41.640 If you made it, awesome.

00:05:44.220 Congratulations.

00:05:44.960 If you did not make it, you should definitely make sure you do next year, but you also have

00:05:50.960 a chance to do some other pretty cool things.

00:05:53.100 Coming up in just about a month, we have Sigur Bloat at Sigur Haim.

00:05:58.300 That's in Jackson County, Tennessee.

00:06:00.940 It's going to be awesome.

00:06:02.800 We're looking forward to seeing you there.

00:06:05.020 Svon will be there.

00:06:05.840 I will be there.

00:06:06.780 Producer Nick will be there as long as many other AFA luminaries.

00:06:10.380 I would, you know, look forward to seeing you if I haven't seen you in a while, look forward to

00:06:15.820 meeting you if I haven't gotten to meet you yet, so come on out and share that with us, and that's

00:06:20.840 going to be followed the next month by Freyfaxi at Baldershof. I will also be at that, love to

00:06:28.960 meet everybody there, that's at Baldershof in Murdoch, Minnesota, so if you can make either of

00:06:34.280 those, you should, and yeah, we're excited to see if you can make it out for these spectacular

00:06:41.600 events. Also, starting off program, Austin in Wisconsin donated $10 each to our Frazehoff

00:06:52.740 fund, our prison ministry, and the Baldershoff steeple, as well as to Victory Never Sleeps,

00:06:59.520 So thank you for that. Much appreciated, Austin. And GW Farnsworth donated $30 to VNS and $20

00:07:07.340 to Folk Services. Thank you both. We appreciate you guys.

00:07:14.160 So I guess that brings to the next kind of order of business. So

00:07:18.880 we, it's always been the plan that as soon as we get New York's off paid off,

00:07:28.280 we immediately are going to hit the ground running and start trying to get Frasehoff.

00:07:32.220 And we're absolutely living up to that. We have looked at a number of properties so far.

00:07:37.920 By we, I mean Witten Clifford Erickson and his lovely wife, Githya Katie Erickson.

00:07:43.480 They've scouted places for us. We've got some plans and some things in the works.

00:07:49.320 A big part of that is kind of next step. We are figuring out some lending and we are trying to

00:07:55.780 raise money for a down payment. So we've started raising money in the war chest for that. It's

00:08:01.880 currently at $2,650. That's the extra 10 not on the graphic is the 10 that Austin just put towards

00:08:12.580 it. So we appreciate you guys. We appreciate everyone's generosity. If you would like to

00:08:18.120 donate, the link is on the screen or you can go to runestone.org slash donate. But thank you. We

00:08:25.520 have some amazingly generous folks, and we have been really seeing an upswing in people

00:08:32.060 sharing that generosity with us. So thank you guys. So we took a little bit of a little bit

00:08:39.180 of a break last time Svan was on. And the reason that we spent, what was it, seven episodes

00:08:47.800 on uh the Volsung saga what the Volsung saga was so that we are better prepared for

00:08:56.500 the closing series of poems in the ETA and these are poems that are very seldom talked about but

00:09:04.060 are a part of our lore a part of the ETA and something that we should all know and be familiar

00:09:10.540 with, and we're dealing with one such poem today, The Gripus Vow, or The Prophecy of

00:09:20.460 Great Bearer, and so, Svon, what, if anything, do folks need to know before we get into the

00:09:29.860 subject?

00:09:33.220 You are muted, Svon.

00:09:34.660 terribly sorry um the best way to look at this poem is that it's kind of a the way that

00:09:47.820 a director might do a uh prequel after the movie if you will um we know that

00:09:58.760 the main corpus of the Volsunga Saga is very old and has been gathering and kind of

00:10:08.940 slowly building as it goes through our culture. Then there's new things added on and so on and

00:10:15.680 so forth. This is, again, a poet or the attempt of the poet to kind of bring in characters from

00:10:27.240 the main poem and go in front of that and have a a time that was not spoken about in the poem so

00:10:41.320 this is a younger poem based on how structured it is so its structure lends to the fact that a young

00:10:53.000 Scald was looking at the story and said, these two characters, we're going to pull that and kind of

00:11:02.940 just focus on his uncle prophesizing his life, Sigurd's life. And that way I can flex my poetic

00:11:16.440 knowledge i can also insert a lot of our culture and our ideals into it um so one of the things

00:11:26.140 that i wanted to really point out to people is that this style is called the the style of meter

00:11:36.620 is called for needless log which means like the old way of telling poetry it's the old meter and

00:11:48.560 it's marked by some interesting things but it's very very easy for people to replicate

00:11:56.420 so if you're trying to write prayers or you are speaking prayers but you have them

00:12:05.720 kind of memorized, um, you can duplicate this very, very well. And another cool part of it is

00:12:14.180 it is very close to the same structure that was done in Beowulf. So now we have this

00:12:21.800 crossing over, um, where it becomes more pan-European, pan-Germanic European. Um, and I,

00:12:31.540 I find that very, again, just it's reemphasizing a lot of what we do.

00:12:42.900 It's alliterative, so that means that the first letters are, they need to rhyme together, and sounds rhyme together.

00:12:53.460 So the TH sound needs to rhyme with other TH sounds.

00:12:57.540 Can't be simply the T and then a TH.

00:13:01.540 And it's really easy for folks to replicate.

00:13:06.900 You can, and it's more complicated than what I'm giving,

00:13:11.020 but on the basic level, if you had two sentences,

00:13:17.020 the first sentence is going to be divided by a comma.

00:13:22.720 and the heavy pronounced letter in the first sentence has to be done twice,

00:13:32.900 one before the comma and one after the comma.

00:13:36.520 And the funny part about it is a lot of times you don't know what that sound is

00:13:43.420 till you get to the second sentence, which has to start with that.

00:13:48.780 So if there was a point to say the great god Tyr judges the tides of war till the end of man's time comes.

00:14:10.340 So the letter T becomes the alliterative anchor point.

00:14:16.840 And it doesn't sound as clear in modern English, but it is pretty close.

00:14:25.720 So I would definitely look, if you are interested in poetics or in changing your prayer forms to add some of that, perhaps for larger ceremonies or what have you,

00:14:39.820 You could absolutely look up old Norse poetry and you could look up for me this log style.

00:14:50.880 I don't know if you could pop that up there on the screen, but old Norse poetry is where you will find it if you're looking up on like Wikipedia.

00:15:06.580 you. But yeah, so that's one of the interesting things about this. It's so structured. It's so

00:15:14.000 well put together that it's believed that it is a younger poem. And it is brief. It's not as long

00:15:27.620 as the ones we've been covering, but it does give a lot of historical referencing, which lends to

00:15:36.500 perhaps more an understanding of the past, especially with Attila, and that even though

00:15:47.100 this was perhaps written in the 11th or 12th century, this is still speaking about

00:15:54.080 events that happened. And it brings in the Burgundians with King Gundacarus,

00:16:09.080 or I think is how he's written in Latin, and how they were almost completely annihilated by the

00:16:17.540 puns, and there's a lot of interesting stuff historically and also spiritually. Every single

00:16:24.980 one of these poems, we always get a glimpse into the theological of our ancestors, which is why

00:16:34.100 it's so important to read them. All right. Over in the chat, just watching a couple of things.

00:16:47.540 Our folk builder in New Hampshire, Ron Boardman, was wondering or suggesting that now we need to do the Niblungenlied.

00:16:55.840 I would really like to.

00:16:57.880 I like it a lot.

00:16:59.300 It's very long.

00:17:00.520 And I think that we extended people's tolerance for this particular story quite a bit.

00:17:10.260 And we'll need to shake it up a little bit when we're done with this.

00:17:13.640 But I would like for us to cover that at some point.

00:17:15.620 It's a fun read, and it's done very epically.

00:17:21.940 It's my favorite version of the story, but it's been a lot of years since I read it.

00:17:27.300 It's been 15 years since I read it last.

00:17:35.040 That said, other thing going into it, and I think we answered in the chat, but it's in there for a question, so we'll ask it.

00:17:43.640 Brandy wants to know what her friend Svan is drinking.

00:17:47.360 I wrote in there on the chat, Iced coffee.

00:17:52.640 Looks like a mudslide.

00:17:56.880 Yeah, it's looking a little muddy, but it's still hot here.

00:18:01.880 I wish I had a mudslide, mudslides are delicious.

00:18:04.880 Yeah, Suna just set, so it's still warm here.

00:18:11.180 been uh terribly hot and then uh Thor came through and gave us just a little bit of reprieve

00:18:20.940 of uh rain but we had a pretty big fire in the area yesterday and then we got hit by a

00:18:28.780 very fortuitous uh rainstorm out of nowhere which doesn't happen that often in the high

00:18:33.980 desert where we're at so that was nice it set things right and fixed that particular

00:18:39.660 problem uh i should say uh my friend roy gifted me this it is a orange moscato and as one might

00:18:48.780 imagine it's delicious yeah moscatos are sweet they are i like me a sweet drink i splurge on

00:18:57.500 them i started drinking a lot of wet right red wine on the program because dry red wine is very

00:19:03.260 carbohydrate-friendly, and I enjoy it, but

00:19:07.280 I like the sweet drinks, and this definitely qualifies.

00:19:12.620 That said, Svon,

00:19:15.520 would you like, oh, well, I'll acknowledge this, because it's going on in the meantime.

00:19:23.820 Gabriel in PA

00:19:25.460 donated $30 to Frazehoff.

00:19:29.000 Says, a couple episodes behind, but hail the gods,

00:19:31.860 hail the folk, hail the AFA, and hail to you, Gabriel. Thank you very much for your donation.

00:19:36.340 We appreciate it. All right, Svon, take us into the poem, if you will.

00:19:44.040 Oh, I did want to say, too, there's characters and points that we've already covered with

00:19:50.120 Sigur and Helgi and Sinfjolti and Brynhild, but there are also differences,

00:20:00.440 And one of the big ones that I wanted to bring up is the divine connection to Lord Odin as a being descendants of Lord Odin.

00:20:14.640 And so royalty and kingship evolved over time.

00:20:23.080 The connectivity to the divine has always been a considering point.

00:20:33.260 I think it was originally that we are descended as a people and then there became specific royal houses that were descended from Lord Odin or from Lord Freyr or I don't know actually if there's any that have said that they were descended from Lord Thor.

00:20:56.300 But that would also kind of lend to the overarching sense of his troth and loyalty to Sif.

00:21:07.280 And again, in stories, that's continually emphasized.

00:21:14.940 But I think it's really interesting. And it would also explain in the older poem why Lord Othyn shows up to the banquet, to the wedding in the first place, because that's not really emphasized other than you're left to the imagination.

00:21:33.240 Maybe he's perhaps he's inserting sword into fate in order to create all of these moments in which he can analyze the souls of warriors and men so that he can choose them.

00:21:52.400 But in this case, there's a direct link made that wasn't really made before.

00:21:59.980 So yeah, a lot of people might not know this.

00:22:03.640 There's many different stories of Hercules, and there are many endings to the story of Hercules.

00:22:10.440 And this was common for there to be kind of more of a network of stories, not just one singular one.

00:22:18.040 And it's very much the same amongst the Germanic folk.

00:22:21.980 so you will see these common names spoken of but there will be variations and little things

00:22:30.320 and i would even argue that there was probably more of them before they were written down they

00:22:35.480 just didn't make it to iceland so absolutely it's important to

00:22:41.700 different people want to realize this for different reasons

00:22:49.760 but I think it is worth keeping in mind that

00:22:57.480 there's no reason to believe there's no assumption is fact there's reason to believe

00:23:07.660 to the contrary, that this is all the lore there was, is the stuff that's made it down to us.

00:23:15.100 I think one of the tragedies with history that we need to be aware of and not repeat is so much

00:23:22.920 gets lost if it's not recorded, if it's not copied, if it's not distributed, and if it's

00:23:28.980 not safeguarded. But reading a wide swath of our lore, even

00:23:37.680 when it's not about the gods in the most, you know, essential

00:23:44.740 sense, teaches us a lot about how Ausatru was practiced in our

00:23:52.820 ancestors day. And it's very informative to read all the rest

00:23:58.020 our lore our lore synergizes in a really cool way when i first started reading the lore

00:24:05.060 sometimes it was overwhelming different pieces because i just i didn't have the context

00:24:09.940 or i wasn't familiar with the same things that you know they'd constantly be referencing and

00:24:14.820 whatever so if that's you don't be dismayed the more pieces of lore you read the more stuff begins

00:24:22.740 to make much more sense and build upon itself the more you'll see you know different things

00:24:29.380 reference things you're already familiar with through your other reading so wherever you start

00:24:35.100 in it the more that you read the richer and deeper your understanding of the Lord gets

00:24:40.440 just like doing this the Volsunga saga is not the entirety of the information possibly available

00:24:48.100 throughout all of Western Europe of this really seminal story.

00:24:54.460 It's the stuff that the chronicler in, excuse me, in Iceland at the time was able to gather

00:25:03.780 and be familiar with.

00:25:06.000 But getting all these other pieces and indications of other pieces really flesh it out and give

00:25:13.700 it dimension.

00:25:14.720 So it's really valuable that way.

00:25:16.280 um and so anybody knows anybody who wants to follow along tonight um you can find this

00:25:24.440 wherever you might have you know your copy of the eddas or whatever you'd like to do

00:25:32.300 but we will specifically

00:25:34.580 I

00:25:38.000 question that

00:25:41.740 that link. I don't know if that link's right. I think it's missing an eye.

00:25:49.260 Anyways.

00:25:50.480 Yeah.

00:25:52.100 All right. So

00:25:55.960 Veloosbow.org. That's where Swan and I have been getting

00:26:01.880 all but, because we're silly and didn't look carefully, all but Eosaga from,

00:26:09.400 but even that was on there. Now, when we get done with both of the Eddas, I think we may run out of 0.99

00:26:15.400 material on there, and we'll have to go to a different source, but the lospau.org is an

00:26:20.420 awesome source. It's got the side-by-side with the Old Norse, which is really helpful, really cool,

00:26:26.060 and that's where we're reading from directly, but as always, use whatever translation you have.

00:26:31.140 there might be interesting variances that lead to some discussion, but that's where we're at this

00:26:37.620 evening. Of note, I just checked. I'm actually correct. They spelt it without that I.

00:26:44.820 All right. So the good folks at Volusbauer.org misspelled their link. That's on them, not on

00:26:49.460 producer Nick, but there you go. With that, Svon, will you take us into the text? Absolutely.

00:27:02.020 Okay, so we start first with Sigurd's father.

00:27:10.700 Sigmundr, son of Volsung, was king in Frankland.

00:27:20.140 Sinfjolti was his eldest son, the second Helgi, and the third Haumundr.

00:27:30.400 Borkhildr, Sigmund's queen, had a brother who was called...

00:27:36.280 and see okay this is the part where we have there is a break in the poem because of most likely

00:27:46.520 damage um so it it it doesn't state and um there is let me see there's extend extensive stuff here

00:27:58.700 at the bottom. I wonder, um, if there's any mention of it. Um, hmm. No. Well, okay. So there,

00:28:19.380 is a break there, and then it shifts to the next sentence. But Sinfjolte, her stepson, and

00:28:28.900 more damage, both sought the hand of the same woman, and therefore he sought the death of

00:28:39.840 Sinfiolti. So it's worth remembering from the old story that Sinfiolti fell in love with a woman

00:28:49.860 who had a rival suitor. And in doing so, in that story, he was not chosen. He did not win out in

00:29:03.800 that. And then he went and fought wars in the East, in Finnmark and Lithuania and so on and so

00:29:11.960 forth. Um, again, because he was built for war. Um, but the other part of that is in that story,

00:29:23.960 that's sigurd's sister's son so here we have him jumping up a generation

00:29:33.760 so we're gonna have to we're gonna be working through a lot of um uh familial jumping or just

00:29:42.260 historical jumping and you gotta bear with it so um

00:29:51.460 so here we see uh but when he came home borghilder who is the queen of sigmund

00:30:02.180 told him to go away but sigmund offered him where guild and she was going to receive it

00:30:12.260 But at the funeral feast, Borghildr bore the ale.

00:30:16.700 She took a great deal of poison, a hornful, and presented it to Sinfjolti. 0.51

00:30:24.120 So here we have Sinfjolti is vying for a woman, and so is Borghildr's, I believe, brother,

00:30:40.520 is also going for the same woman. And in this case here, she ends up attempting to poison 0.90

00:30:49.160 Sinfield, her stepson, in order to kind of remove him. Now, there's a lot of reasons why this could

00:30:58.500 be done. It could be looked at as starting out the story with intrigue and plot. The other is,

00:31:09.660 is that it could also kind of reflect a certain sense that marriage and children

00:31:18.920 from previous marriages may not have been viewed at the time as so deeply kin

00:31:27.700 that slaying them or being involved in that would be a kinslayer

00:31:34.220 or she's just that nefarious that that doesn't even matter.

00:31:39.660 But it's worth noting at the time, especially with sea travel, that our ancestors, when they went abroad, went overseas, a lot of them did not come back.

00:31:51.640 And that doesn't mean that everything stops at home.

00:31:54.720 things change. And a great amount of the reason why the Nordic ancestors enacted it so much in

00:32:07.080 raiding was because a lot of that went to the first son of the house or the first daughter.

00:32:14.980 if she got married, then that was brought into the marriage. So this kind of follows along with just

00:32:25.220 how things were at that time. But it is, again, very, very interesting. And she presents him

00:32:32.580 with a horn full of poison. But when he looked into the horn, he discerned that it was poisoned

00:32:40.840 and said to Sigmundr,

00:32:44.240 ouch, the drink is poisoned.

00:32:49.940 Sigmundr took the horn and drained it.

00:32:54.000 They say that Sigmund was so,

00:32:55.780 or he drank, he like drained it by drinking it.

00:32:59.900 They say that Sigmundr was so tough

00:33:02.680 that no poison could harm him inside or outside

00:33:06.160 and all his sons could withstand poison outside

00:33:10.580 on their flesh. So another good point about this is this is a common trope in the warrior

00:33:20.880 culture is this, someone is poisoning your horn. I don't think that the case of that happening is

00:33:28.640 actually really high. A lot of the poisonous plants in the Northern regions are not as

00:33:36.400 terrible as say uh hemlock of the mediterranean but it was absolutely to

00:33:45.120 set a mood about um this and it's again referencing to poison outside the body so

00:33:54.560 poisoned blades um our knowledge on this is really really limited um but looking at

00:34:02.980 horticulture and looking at plant life in the Nordic regions. I don't know if this is again,

00:34:12.840 just more of a story point, less of a true reflection of reality.

00:34:19.900 So something to consider is this doesn't go, this doesn't take place far to the north in

00:34:27.440 Scandinavia. Part of it takes place in, but a great deal of it takes place in continental Europe,

00:34:36.380 in Eastern Europe. And another thing is it emphasizes the, you know, the treachery of women. 1.00

00:34:47.940 And that's one of the things is this, you know, this woman wants to do the, because you, okay. 0.79

00:34:58.080 So you see through the, in the Volsunga saga and throughout this, if you're familiar, there's a, there's an intense loyalty to like your house, your ancestors and your offspring.

00:35:18.800 Even if you find yourself in a blended family or you find yourself married to a particular king, you're still vying for the prominence of your family in that kingdom.

00:35:30.140 So you want to make sure that your offspring or your kin get the good stuff and not, you know, your husband, the king's kin or children that he's had by another woman or, you know, other family that is family but not as close of family. 0.90

00:35:50.860 There's all these palace intrigues, and you see women often through greed or jealousy or other conniving to go about these things with treacherous things.

00:36:07.980 And there's, you know, a few things more treacherous than offering someone a horn and having filled that horn with poison. 0.66

00:36:15.500 but it's strange here because that would probably you know the upside of that is outside of the epic

00:36:25.180 poetry thing it's not like they get a forensic team in there oftentimes one may not know what

00:36:33.460 happened poison sometime or slow acting I didn't do I didn't do nothing um and it's one of the

00:36:41.160 things to where you could potentially pull that off without it being directly linked to you

00:36:47.180 but we live in the times of you know the the heroic age where these people have a degree

00:36:58.420 of supernatural insight they have that higher level of knowledge we talked about that a little

00:37:03.940 bit on the self-actualization described in the uh uh rigstula when you you know when you when

00:37:14.360 you're fully actualized the the art of nobility the art of kings is this heightened awareness

00:37:23.300 of these things you start learning the runes you start learning the speech of birds you start

00:37:28.040 learning how to look into the horn and discern that there's poison in it whereas a normal person

00:37:34.200 that wasn't you know a heroic saga character would likely not be able to tell there was poison in it

00:37:39.960 until it was very much too late or then you have folks uh like sigmund who's you know just so

00:37:49.320 awesome that he's immune to these things because he's of such a stout uh countenance and also in

00:37:55.000 poem because he's the descendant of odin um so he gets he gets a certain magical aura when it comes

00:38:04.600 to his his predisposition this toughness it's also an interesting thing to note medieval kings

00:38:12.040 were sometimes in the habit if they lived in a court environment where poison was a thing to

00:38:18.520 micro dose over the span of a long time to where they developed an immunity to certain poisons.

00:38:26.840 It's not necessarily alluded to here. It's just interesting historical point that I'm aware of

00:38:31.960 when I'm thinking about it. That's kind of, you know, something interesting. And before I get off

00:38:38.440 my soapbox, Ron Boardman, again, our folk builder in New Hampshire bought us five coffees. It's a

00:38:44.600 It's a $25 donation.

00:38:46.100 Thank you, Ron.

00:38:46.660 We appreciate it.

00:38:47.560 Thank you.

00:38:50.840 Carry on.

00:38:52.680 Well, so there's some little interesting things, too, that, I mean, we're going to see here in the translation and so on.

00:39:05.440 For instance, like when he says, ouch, the drink is poisoned.

00:39:09.420 the word ouch is not what it instead it's it's almost like utilizing the english word or like

00:39:21.040 and i mean from the uk like boy or for us hey but the the word is is is i like i this is poisoned

00:39:32.080 so you're gonna see a little bit of that too and we're gonna discuss another thing up here soon

00:39:37.960 That's kind of the translation is quite it's more literal than or kind of slightly off the mark.

00:39:51.720 So we have to be careful about those as well. And that happens with almost every translation.

00:39:57.000 Any person who translates our poems might bridge gaps for poetics and leave linguistics behind or do the other way, where linguistic is more important, but the overarching spiritual nature of the poem is kind of left to the wayside.

00:40:19.720 So, it's mentioned that Sigmundur can resist prison from internal and external on blades and such.

00:40:35.240 So, Borghildur brings a second horn to Sinfjolte and told him to drink.

00:40:45.060 And everything happened as before.

00:40:48.240 so this is poisoned she brought it to me second you know uh horn and because my dad

00:40:59.200 is like drink it so this is pretty hardcore um and then the third time she brought him the horn

00:41:10.240 plus scolding words if he did not drink it up but he spoke to sigmund as before

00:41:18.400 and sigmund said let your beard sift it son well one of the things that's worth

00:41:26.000 noting here is uh in the in the old norse it says hansali lauto gron gron is your mustache

00:41:35.840 is your upper lip so he's it's not your he's not saying like you fold up your beard and

00:41:45.360 or put it in front of the horn that would be absurd right and i mean that might throw things

00:41:52.480 off but yeah no it's it's if people are reading this they're like wait a minute what is what

00:41:57.520 well it's yeah he's saying let your your mustache sift it and most likely this is spoken in a

00:42:05.840 just in a jesting sense. And I can kind of see it that they're also probably thinking that

00:42:18.040 sin fealty is being paranoid. And, you know, there's this kind of this jesting of the festivities

00:42:26.320 where it's like, no, you know, you just got to let your mustache sift it out.

00:42:31.520 it's something to keep in mind too when we get points of fact in the story it doesn't mean those

00:42:37.280 points of fact were known by the people in the room it's also quite possible to conceive that

00:42:45.760 sigmund just can't taste the poison because he's immune so he's like okay i'm gonna have

00:42:51.920 to drink all three of your horns because you're so scared of this really how about you how about

00:42:56.480 you sack up and be a man and let your right you know let your mustache sift it and uh call it good

00:43:05.760 well and on on top of this this is one of the most distinct um

00:43:15.280 differences between so another thing is is that people hearing this unless they had heard

00:43:23.040 um a scald recite the full poem of the volsunga saga which is very rare a lot of this um

00:43:36.400 is probably new or in in bits and pieces and the scald would know that sometimes so the idea was

00:43:44.480 okay i'm going to remove this character and continue on with the story because i want to focus

00:43:52.640 on uh we're belaboring this a lot and we will get back we'll make progress to this tonight um but

00:44:02.080 something important to remember that is sad about us today is we don't have a robust

00:44:11.360 culture that's unified like our ancestors did when i say our ancestors i don't mean

00:44:18.240 the viking age ancestors of this story or previous i mean like our grandparents and beyond

00:44:26.340 you had cultural things that you knew these characters from your history or your nation

00:44:33.480 or culture's high mythology and up till a couple of generations ago you had that albeit albeit a

00:44:41.200 biblical reference you didn't have to recount the entire story of jesus's life or the entire story

00:44:49.560 of moses you could add a whim when moses was with pharaoh this thing happened and you would know

00:44:56.640 exactly what they were talking about exactly what point in his story arc this took place in and you

00:45:02.700 could do these little asides and these little these little pieces without the full background

00:45:06.960 story because everybody knew you know in a country you could talk about you know when george

00:45:13.680 washington was you know when the when his men were camped at valley forge this thing happened

00:45:20.160 everyone wouldn't need to know well who's george washington well what was the nature

00:45:25.200 you don't need to know that because it's ingrained culturally at this time this story is so

00:45:30.640 uh seminal to the understanding of certainly the nobility in the royal courts in uh in western

00:45:41.360 europe eastern europe northern europe that you just kind of oh okay i i remember this

00:45:48.720 and you didn't have to get necessarily all the background pieces

00:45:51.440 yeah and um like the subtle difference between go they go to frankaland and they're proclaimed

00:46:03.400 kings of in in frankaland and then in the uh previous they were proclaimed kings in

00:46:12.580 Hunnaland, or Land of the Huns, which would be Eastern Europe, Poland, Ukraine area.

00:46:22.200 And it really, too, was about their prowess.

00:46:31.620 The Franks were very much a powerful tribe, had a lot of renowned built around them, same as the Huns.

00:46:44.280 So, again, having the heroes become kings in those lands is huge.

00:46:52.540 But, you know, there's slight differences there.

00:46:55.780 And in this case, part of it is speculated that the first horn that is given doesn't actually have poison in it.

00:47:08.680 And that Sinfielty is just being paranoid because, and they don't state it in the poem, but Sinfielty slays Borkhild's brother in the courtship.

00:47:22.480 Well, and that's why they talk about the wereguild.

00:47:26.620 Yeah, wereguild.

00:47:28.460 Yeah, unfortunately, that's in the missing piece.

00:47:32.320 Right.

00:47:33.900 And so the wondering is, is he suspecting that it's poisoned?

00:47:40.900 And then his father says, no, it's, you know, let me see this.

00:47:44.500 It's fine.

00:47:45.780 You know, you should drink it.

00:47:47.060 Let your mustache shift it.

00:47:48.240 And it's the third one that actually contains poison.

00:47:52.480 Um, and that's where we, Sinfjolti drinks and dies from it.

00:48:00.580 Sigmundr carries him in his arms a long way and came to a long narrow fjord.

00:48:08.700 There was a small ship with a man in it.

00:48:13.420 The man tells Sigmundr to, uh, to cross the,

00:48:18.720 But when Sigmundr carried the body out onto the ship, then the vessel was full.

00:48:26.540 The fellow said that Sigmund should go inside the fjord or go deeper and back to the land.

00:48:33.120 And the fellow quickly took the ship out and away.

00:48:37.920 So here's, he lays the body of his son on the boat and there's no more room for him.

00:48:47.680 And they don't state why he's doing this or where they're going, but that's actually not important because of what it really is.

00:48:57.780 And this is where we're getting into the theology of it.

00:49:03.320 This man, the ferryman who takes the soul, is not just a ferryman.

00:49:13.320 He is clearly a reference to Lord Oven, the one who carries souls for some people.

00:49:24.040 And I know a lot of people might have actually heard of this term, but the psychopomp, the transfer of the souls.

00:49:33.160 And a lot of people utilize that with that connection to Mercury or Hermes when Tacitus was living or writing about the Germanics.

00:49:48.380 And he said that they that the Germanic people worship Tacitus.

00:49:52.940 So we see this difference between there is gods of war, gods of victory.

00:50:00.420 There are gods that give victory and power to the nation, but more significantly, the warrior is concerned with the one who has the ability to transfer and elevate his soul.

00:50:15.560 And so high focus is given to Lord Odin, the one who is building the army in heaven of powerful souls.

00:50:26.160 and it's just interesting because this is outside of say Haurbar where he is a ferryman

00:50:36.360 and he is talking to Lord Thor but the imagery is still there and it doesn't leave and it crosses

00:50:44.460 is over we see this of course with um uh the stygian ferryman um his name is eluding me right

00:50:54.840 now in uh the greco roman or hellenic um stories the idea of the ferryman carrying over the soul

00:51:06.640 through a threshold and water being a symbolic threshold between worlds um he takes and says

00:51:17.060 you should go up into back onto land and then he quickly goes across and in essence disappears

00:51:27.220 And I find that very interesting because a lot of folks generally look at Lord Odin as strictly in a point of stasis, and he has the Valkyrie as his dynamic and willful and acting tendrils into fate.

00:51:52.220 fate. But in this case, and in quite a few, there is a, there's the mentioning of him

00:51:58.860 being over the water. And I think that this symbology was probably not understood by everyone

00:52:08.060 in the audience, but was perhaps deliberately placed with intent to overarch that, that

00:52:18.200 symbolism.

00:52:21.600 So after he leaves

00:52:23.720 with Sinfjolpi, 0.97

00:52:26.020 King Sigmundur

00:52:28.180 stayed for a long time

00:52:30.320 in Denmark,

00:52:32.060 in Borkhild's kingdom

00:52:33.680 after he married her.

00:52:35.620 Then Sigmundur

00:52:37.460 traveled south into

00:52:39.440 Frankland to the kingdom

00:52:41.540 he had there.

00:52:43.180 Then he married Hjordes,

00:52:46.380 daughter of King

00:52:47.620 Elimi, their son

00:52:50.000 was Sigurd

00:52:51.320 or Sigurd

00:52:52.800 and I don't know

00:52:56.200 if they're going, if they state

00:52:58.000 why, I mean obviously

00:53:00.140 the presumption is that

00:53:01.920 he leaves her because

00:53:03.380 she killed his son

00:53:05.500 but it's not stated as that

00:53:07.940 he leaves sometime later

00:53:10.180 but I really

00:53:12.140 feel

00:53:12.440 at this

00:53:17.600 time, and I think there's a little bit of confusion when people read some of the sagas,

00:53:22.960 it wasn't, in the Viking Age, taking multiple wives wasn't really a thing of kings, but in the

00:53:34.640 Volkvandrum of the migration era, that was very much something that kings did from time to time

00:53:44.400 to cement alliances and to propagate the the breeding of royal houses so like for example

00:53:53.200 you know attila notoriously had lots of wives from different nations that he had subjugated

00:53:59.680 or needed to have a political alliance with so it wasn't the common practice of our ancestors but it

00:54:06.720 was something from time to time that a king of like a nation would do to cement alliance

00:54:14.400 Yeah. And I'm reemphasizing again from our old show. I think a lot of folks, you know, is Attila Asiatic? And we were talking about how Attila is not Genghis Khan, that Attila was most likely of like a Western Asiatic slash what would eventually be, you know, Russia and that like of the Scythian Persian.

00:54:43.040 it's it's real hard to say because contemporaries describe him as being this like swarthy

00:54:49.920 right old guy from the plains but the contemporaries that describe him like that

00:54:56.320 he was you know their enemy and viewed in a you know he was transformed into

00:55:02.800 almost a demon from hell sent to to exact god's vengeance he was known as the scourge of god

00:55:13.040 So they made him seem awful other. And again, all of our saga writers talk about him like he is, you know, just another European great king of renown.

00:55:23.980 Right. And, you know, on top of this, there's there was a lot of that during the Romantic period to paint as some, you know, deeply foreign Easterner, especially when it came to the Russians who are descended or at least the Western Russians are descended from Swedes and that fit.

00:55:52.340 But then it continued on to apply to the Ukrainians, to the Polish, to the Lithuanians and Latvians.

00:56:03.340 To the Germans.

00:56:05.220 Stop the Hun was a common refrain in World War I.

00:56:09.880 It was thrown about. 0.97

00:56:13.340 If you're some primitive other from the East, you are the Hun.

00:56:18.960 so i really think that a lot of people do need to kind of step back from that a little bit 0.98

00:56:25.740 i think that's still has residual effect but um yeah so uh

00:56:33.520 he goes down into franklin from denmark and there he marries here this we know from the other story

00:56:43.780 And they have a son, Sigurd, and King Sigmund fell in battle fighting the sons of Hunding.

00:56:55.120 And we talked about this as well with Hundingsbana and with the Volsunga saga.

00:57:02.880 So at that point, Hjordis marries Aulver, son of King Hjallprek. Sigurdir spent his childhood there. And that's where he learns from Reyyn. He learns the story of the treasure of Favnir, the dragon.

00:57:30.600 And there's going to be an interesting thing that I like in this story about the treasure in relation to the divine that's different elsewhere.

00:57:40.520 So Sigurd is now living with his stepfather, Alvir, his mother, and Alvir are in Frankland, and he's growing up towards the destiny of carrying the blade that was passed on.

00:58:01.320 um he spent his childhood there sigmund and all of his sons were far above all other men

00:58:10.400 in strength stature intelligence and all accomplishments well-rounded strong and

00:58:19.040 intelligent um deeply uh poetic but also brutal and these were again key factors it was never just

00:58:29.380 the whole trope of strong but dumb and i think that a lot of people fall into that too often

00:58:35.740 nowadays and um uh i mean one that's not really viable um i see it a lot with like marines they 0.75

00:58:45.520 think that marines are all dumb or something like that but like every marine i ever met while i was

00:58:50.560 in during the infantry they were very smart folks that had a chip on their shoulder but you could 0.97

00:58:58.260 find them of all manners of talent um but again we just kind of get into that for jokes and um

00:59:07.060 here no it's washed away if you're truly to be a hero you're super well-rounded um

00:59:16.020 however sigurd was the greatest of all of sigmund's sons and in the old tales all men

00:59:25.540 call him the greatest of all men and the noblest of kings. So that again, too, is reestablishing

00:59:32.040 the accolades that every man listening to the poem would want to be foisted on him. I want to

00:59:43.080 be known as the noblest of all my brothers. I want to be known as the strongest or the best of all of

00:59:48.800 my father's children. And this, I think, really glimpses us all the way back to Proto-Indo-European

00:59:58.160 tribal dynamics and what sons wanted. So, Greper was the name of Ailemi's son,

01:00:14.020 the brother of Hjordes. Hjordes is Sigurd's mother. So this is his uncle, again, another

01:00:23.020 early Aryan, pan-German, or proto-Indo-European connection. Just like Lord Odin with his uncle

01:00:33.240 Mimir, now we see another establishment. And remember, this is the younger poem, so

01:00:40.160 these elements being brought in are tail end poems still have them greatly re-emphasized.

01:00:49.560 So Grippir is the name of Hjordis's brother. He ruled over lands and was of all men the wisest

01:01:00.000 and most forward seeing. Sigurd once was riding alone and came to Grippir's hall.

01:01:08.720 Sigurd was easy to recognize.

01:01:11.560 He found out in front of the hall a man whose name was Geyitr.

01:01:18.200 Then Sigurd questioned him and asked.

01:01:22.880 This is another thing that people might be noticing.

01:01:25.220 So now we have kind of a mirroring with Mimir and Lord Odin.

01:01:31.880 We also see this when Lord Freyr sends Skirner, and when Skirner approaches Gerður, the hall of Gerður, outside is a herdsman.

01:01:46.580 There's always kind of a gate warden. It influenced Christianity. 0.97

01:01:52.860 This concept of a guardian of the gate is so mythologically important that eventually they do the whole St. Peter is standing at the end of their gate.

01:02:10.420 thresholds are guarded and that it seems in the stories that the gods don't move

01:02:19.400 just willy-nilly between places except for Lord Odin. Lord Odin does that, but he does it not

01:02:29.060 so much out of dominion as he does it is the rules don't apply. He has the ability to kind of

01:02:36.580 circumvent the laws that are. And in this case here, he's doing it in a physical sense. He meets

01:02:46.640 this guard or gate warden. Then Sigurd questioned him and asked, who is it has this dwelling here

01:03:02.940 Or what do men call the people's king?

01:03:06.260 Now we're entering into the Fornideslag poetic style.

01:03:14.020 Gripper, the name of the chieftain good, who holds the folk and firm ruled land.

01:03:24.040 Sigurd speaks again.

01:03:26.640 Is the king all-knowing now within?

01:03:29.900 will the monarch come with me to speak a man unknown his counsel needs and gripper fein i

01:03:40.840 soon would find and the guard yet gator speaks he says the ruler glad of gator will ask

01:03:50.560 who seeks with gripper speech to have so

01:03:56.140 So, clearly speaking about his openness, his willingness to take a guest, the hospitality is laid out.

01:04:14.360 Sigurd then says, Sigurd am I, and Sigmund's son, and Hjordes, the name of the hero's mother.

01:04:24.360 He being the hero

01:04:26.700 Then Getter went and to Gripper spoke

01:04:31.980 A stranger comes and stands without

01:04:35.860 Lofty he is to look upon

01:04:38.400 And prince thyself he fain would see

01:04:42.060 So it's again kind of worth noting

01:04:45.500 That Getter doesn't know

01:04:48.680 That his lord's sister

01:04:53.360 is this young man's brother.

01:04:59.340 Or, I mean, is this young man's mother, excuse me.

01:05:05.420 And he says to him again,

01:05:07.440 from the hall the ruler of heroes went

01:05:10.660 and greeted well the warrior come.

01:05:13.540 Sigurd, welcome.

01:05:15.140 Long since has been thine. 1.00

01:05:18.260 Now gator shalt thou. 1.00

01:05:21.460 Grani take. 0.99

01:05:23.360 So for people that might not remember,

01:05:25.800 Grani is the horse.

01:05:29.760 And in the Volsunga saga, 0.61

01:05:35.060 Grani is descended from Slepner, the slipping one, 0.83

01:05:39.780 the one that slips between. 0.96

01:05:44.180 So here, you know, it's just, it's, again,

01:05:48.840 he is mentioned.

01:05:50.420 I love the fact that this is a continuation where the horse's part of the story has kind of its own mythos.

01:06:08.300 So then the king says, then of many things they talked, or excuse me, he doesn't say it.

01:06:15.580 That's just interjected, a narrator.

01:06:20.060 Then of many things they talked, and when thus the men so wise had met, Sigurd spoke to me, if thou knowest, my mother's brother, say, what life will Sigurd be?

01:06:38.640 So now he's asking for prophecy.

01:06:41.000 and gripper speaks of men thou shalt be on earth the mightiest and higher famed than all the heroes

01:06:54.240 free of gold giving slow to flee noble to see or to look upon and a sage in your speech

01:07:04.200 So you will give much gold. You will be open handed to your friends. You will never retreat from a fight. You will be noble to look upon and hold yourself with a sense of high esteem and you will speak wisely.

01:07:24.420 Sigurd then says

01:07:27.060 Monarch wise

01:07:28.940 Now more I ask

01:07:30.780 To Sigurd say

01:07:33.540 If thou thinkest to see

01:07:36.160 What first will chance of my fortune fare

01:07:40.420 When hence I go from out thy home

01:07:44.520 So what's going to happen to me once I leave this place?

01:07:49.540 Gripper says

01:07:50.240 First shalt thou, prince, thy father avenge, and aile me, their ills requiting.

01:08:01.720 The hardy sons of Hunding thou soon shall fell in victory find.

01:08:09.640 So this is an ongoing. 0.98

01:08:14.640 the Hundings are clearly, um, seen as, uh, antagonistic or, uh, the, the first hurdle to

01:08:27.720 kind of be, um, brought over. And he says that you will avenge your father and you will

01:08:33.960 kill the sons of Hunding. Um, as well, so does Helgi Hundingsbanner. Um, 0.99

01:08:44.640 Sigurd speaks again, noble king, my kinsmen, say thy meaning true, for our words we speak.

01:08:54.420 For Sigurd's mighty deed dost see, the highest beneath the heavens all.

01:09:02.200 So now he's asking, what is the biggest, most pivotal?

01:09:08.440 and of course he does speak about what Sigurd is known for in 11 he says the fiery dragon alone

01:09:21.400 thou shalt fight that greedy lies in yet the heath thou shalt be of rayon and fafner both

01:09:33.200 the slayer truth doth gripper tell thee now the reason why it's important to remember this is

01:09:41.700 kind of a a prequel in sense is because in the Volsunga saga it wasn't until Sigurd heard the

01:09:50.740 birds speaking telling him that he was about to be slain by his companion that he turns around and

01:09:58.720 beheads him so now if this was known in that sense uh gripper has already prophesized this

01:10:09.720 he's going in with his head on a swivel manipulating situations to get the best out of reagan

01:10:16.800 but knowing that it's going to end badly right and that and that's the thing is the way it's

01:10:25.000 written it could apply both ways it could be that simply this is a different version or something

01:10:32.140 of that but you could absolutely overlay this into the original story and it was even though

01:10:39.100 he knows what's coming or he has been told you can't enact until the right moment because without

01:10:47.840 ray and this is just what's that you first you need you need his tricks and his helps you need

01:10:55.840 this uncomfortable alliance but also i mean you you praise the ice when it's crossed this could

01:11:05.040 be your uncle just telling you some nonsense i think a lot of us have uncles that might have

01:11:09.840 I've told them some nonsense.

01:11:12.200 My mother's breaker did not always leave me straight on things.

01:11:18.580 As a proud uncle, that is our job is to tell them about this.

01:11:23.820 This one man's perspective.

01:11:26.100 Big fish.

01:11:26.860 um but while while i'm interrupting the flow our folk builder in florida alexander casto

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01:11:41.220 phrasehoff donation and a five dollar just for us donation so thank you very much for that um

01:11:48.140 we appreciate you we appreciate everybody who's given on this program

01:11:51.800 you know a little bit here a little bit there but we're

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01:12:09.520 Well, and there's something interesting in the bottom of the notes here.

01:12:14.040 Speaks about Reyen being a dwarf or a Dvergar or a Svartalf himself.

01:12:21.560 But in the original story of the Volsoga Saga, he's mentioned as being trained by the dwarves or knowing their secrets.

01:12:30.400 So I think that's really interesting as well.

01:12:33.900 As stuff goes, this was, you know, they theorized that this was in the 12th or even 13th century.

01:12:41.180 This was written down. As you get into the medieval period, there's very often a magical midget that follows around knights and stuff.

01:12:49.540 this is a time where courts would have dwarves for entertainment or for whatever and they were odd 0.56

01:12:57.780 any midgets in our audience uh sorry it's a thing i didn't do it but you guys are fascinating just

01:13:05.940 putting it out there you know you are um and i think that the difference that that was was

01:13:13.140 of interest but you would frequently have somebody that would have

01:13:16.260 as their uh you know as a interesting odd fellow that would follow them around and maybe have

01:13:25.000 magical knowledge maybe be treacherous maybe be both would often often be portrayed in a dwarven

01:13:32.860 fashion and as the as the middle ages wore on it was much more a midget than like an actual

01:13:40.680 like a, you know, metaphysical dwarf.

01:13:47.220 It was like, you know, a person who has, you know, 0.98

01:13:50.080 a chondroplasia that's waddling around doing midget stuff. 1.00

01:13:54.560 Well, and I think this kind of extends even into our age and day 0.99

01:14:00.340 where we take, let's say, a story is being spoken particularly. 1.00

01:14:05.240 I wish I had a midget that would, like, follow me around and stuff. 1.00

01:14:08.040 That would be awesome. 1.00

01:14:09.020 I knew this is where this is going. 1.00

01:14:10.680 no um applications oh absolutely um that comedian i forgot his name who's a midget is phenomenal

01:14:25.320 um a lot of go towards towards comedy yeah joe that i used to bounce with he would do like he

01:14:36.000 He had little stand-up sets, a little pun not intended,

01:14:39.400 but he had these little stand-up sets that he would do.

01:14:43.400 Well, again, people will lock in because of just the difference.

01:14:49.580 They're compelling, Mike.

01:14:51.220 Yes, the fascination.

01:14:52.960 The rarity and just the difference is certainly very interesting and compelling.

01:14:58.640 Well, and you don't see so much a deep connection where, like, say, amongst the Gauls,

01:15:06.000 They had linkings to the idea that certain children were stolen by the Fae or the Seelie and replaced, and that's kind of how that comes about.

01:15:19.200 Amongst the Germanics, there isn't a clear connection that the Dvergar and dwarf children of human peoples, there's no clear kind of connection.

01:15:40.240 I think that's a really tragic thing. And I don't like legitimately, if we have little people that 1.00

01:15:46.340 are listening to this program, you guys are really interesting. I'm not trying to be a jerk. 0.97

01:15:52.320 But that was kind of a, if you didn't know, and you didn't know medically, can you imagine how 0.95

01:15:58.680 odd that would be if you and your wife conceived this child that was as they grew up and developed,

01:16:06.100 you know seemed so very other and like something completely different from every other person you've

01:16:13.640 probably ever seen in your life I can easily see why that would give cause for some wondering what

01:16:21.840 was going on there yeah and it's it I I just find it interesting that I can't really find any 0.90

01:16:30.580 connections where the Germanics said, no, these Svartalver or these Dvergar stole children or

01:16:40.900 what have you. It just kind of sort of happened as the stories went along. But it's interesting

01:16:47.660 because when you have the mainstay of a group and then there is consistently the side or the wing

01:16:57.920 person who is of, um, what was that guy's name in labyrinth?

01:17:06.000 Uh, hoggle. All right. Thank you. I'm glad that you knew that without further explanation.

01:17:12.800 Yeah. And then the funny joke is, is that he, uh, everyone says his name

01:17:17.760 wrong the entire time, Hogwarts and, and what have you. Um, but again, yeah, the idea is that

01:17:26.400 there is this uh person or entity or being that might not even be human they might be fairy or

01:17:36.960 what's that nothing i'm responding to the chat on the screen oh yeah yeah the babe with the power

01:17:43.600 what power um well and i think we see this too there was i can't remember exactly who it was

01:17:51.360 but someone was talking about how the hollywood trope of say the like in the last samurai we have

01:18:01.840 a folk man and he has his japanese friend um as a kind of key or gateway or guide

01:18:12.080 We see this in Robin Hood with Kazim.

01:18:17.520 We see this again, even in, well, same actor too, but in Shawshank Redemption.

01:18:25.900 So there's this trope there.

01:18:29.580 And I think that this trope has existed in our blood.

01:18:33.580 And that's something worth noting, that the way that we structure our stories is in our blood.

01:18:39.140 It goes far back.

01:18:40.440 whether people want to claim it to be evil or not it's obviously more about the shifting of

01:18:47.960 political uh views but the reality of it is is that um there was always the hero and then the

01:18:56.120 hero is guided by a fascinating oftentimes other or enigmatic character um sometimes to their

01:19:07.240 their detriment sometimes not but I think that a lot of people don't realize that and they don't

01:19:18.600 realize that even this for instance with the last of the Mohicans you know the I forgot the author

01:19:25.900 he was clearly writing that as being uh hey like we need to understand these people more he was

01:19:34.560 he was trying to be kind to, uh, the natives and want the, uh, the Anglos to accept them or

01:19:44.620 understand them more. Um, I think he was painting that. And then later on, again, the same people

01:19:50.660 like he was, uh, about preaching about acceptance and tolerance of other cultures. Eventually later

01:19:57.640 on, they, they're like, Oh no, that that's a white savior. He made a white savior. So it's kind of 0.87

01:20:02.320 funny how they they bent back around to bite themselves but um yeah we we see here

01:20:11.040 in the and then again this is really only for those who are utilizing the um the website but

01:20:18.960 yeah uh and this is the first time i've ever seen it uh laid out that that rayon is uh a dvergar

01:20:32.320 Anyway, so Gripper says, like, because Sigurd says, what is the big thing?

01:20:39.860 What is the pinnacle?

01:20:41.460 When I leave here, I'm going to go and avenge my father.

01:20:45.220 But what is the big thing that's going to define me as a hero?

01:20:51.040 And he says, the fiery dragon, alone thou shalt fight.

01:20:54.420 In Nita Heath

01:20:57.300 A heath, of course, is a place

01:20:59.220 Barren or grasslands

01:21:03.360 I need to look up Nita

01:21:07.560 But

01:21:08.460 So he says, you shall be

01:21:13.500 The slayer of both Fafnir and Reyn

01:21:17.840 Sigurd then speaks

01:21:23.540 He says, rich shall I be if battles I win with such as these, as now thou sayest.

01:21:33.660 Forward look and further tell what the life that I shall lead.

01:21:40.660 So that's kind of where we begin to see it laying out in a sense of prophetic.

01:21:46.980 Look even further.

01:21:48.360 Gripper speaks, Fafnir's den, thou then shalt find, and all his treasure fair shall take. 0.92

01:22:00.100 Gold shall heap on Grani's back, and proved in a fight to Gyuki's fair.

01:22:08.520 so you're you're going to gain riches from the dragon most of all and uh but in that horde of

01:22:21.520 gold lies kind of a the beacon of all the turmoil all of the the dark or murky uh weird

01:22:35.100 the murky oorlog that is going to pervade and cause so much trouble, as we read before.

01:22:45.580 Sigurd speaks,

01:22:46.840 To the warrior now, in words so wise, monarch, noble, more shall tell.

01:22:53.660 I am Gupti's guest, and thence I go.

01:22:57.760 What the life that I shall lead.

01:23:00.460 and then gripper says on the rocks there sleeps the ruler's daughter fair in armor since helgi 0.95

01:23:13.260 fell now shall shall cut with keen edged sword and cleave the bernie with fafner's killer

01:23:23.780 So now we're speaking about Brynhild. He will go forth and he will cut her loose from the chain mail suit that is keeping her in a slumber. 0.98

01:23:38.420 Sigurd speaks

01:23:44.620 The male coat is broken 1.00

01:23:48.440 The maiden speaks 0.98

01:23:50.260 The woman whom from sleep has awakened

01:23:54.400 What says the maid to Sigurd then

01:23:58.020 That happy fate to the hero brings 0.82

01:24:02.280 And

01:24:03.840 You know, this poem being later on

01:24:08.320 It would almost be very similar to people that I don't know, a lot of folks might not remember, but a lot of folks might.

01:24:16.820 But there was always kind of like when you were watching a series on television and they would do an episode that cut back to other episodes.

01:24:28.020 That's kind of what's going on here.

01:24:30.140 And I think a lot of this may have been done simply to give people an overarching understanding of the story, because they may not have had the joy of actually sitting and hearing the entirety of it spoken.

01:24:49.220 So this kind of, this poem, I think, has that function.

01:24:55.680 So he says, after she wakes, what does she say?

01:24:58.900 and gripper says rules to the warrior will she tell all that men may ever seek and teach thee

01:25:08.840 to speak in all men's tongues and life with health thou happy king

01:25:16.860 sigurd then speaks now is it ended the knowledge is won and ready am i forth hence to ride

01:25:28.240 forward look and further tell what what the life that i shall lead so and a a lot of people might

01:25:37.540 be noticing he just is continually saying what kind of life will i lead what kind of life will

01:25:42.600 i lead but more or less what it's really translating to is what else lays in the pathway

01:25:50.920 of my life it would be kind of a better way to look at it is like that um and gripper states

01:25:59.560 then to hamir's home thou comest and glad shall be the guest of the king

01:26:06.280 ended sigurd is all i see no further opt of gripper ask

01:26:13.480 Sigur speaks sorrow it brings me the word thou sayest for monarch forward further thou seest

01:26:26.120 sad the grief for Sigur now knowest yet not to me gripper known will make

01:26:34.040 so he's lamenting as gripper says speak no more

01:26:42.320 and it saddens him that he doesn't get a chance to speak

01:26:47.500 or see anymore, but it continues on.

01:26:54.480 Kripper spoke or speaks in 21,

01:26:59.980 Before me lay in clearest light

01:27:03.500 all of thy youth for mine eyes to see.

01:27:08.700 Not rightly can I wise be called,

01:27:11.520 nor forward seeing, my wisdom is fled. Sigurd says, no man, Gripper, on earth I know who sees

01:27:24.640 the future as far as thou, hide thou not, though hard it be, and base the deeds that I shall do.

01:27:35.500 gripper then speaks with baseness never thy life is burdened hero noble hold that chore

01:27:48.960 lofty as long as the word shall live battle bringer thy name shall be so i i just found it

01:27:58.420 kind of funny too. The essence of the word base or based or baseness in this reference here is

01:28:07.940 congruent with the word like degenerate or unseemly. He says your life will never have

01:28:16.740 baseless deeds. You will always be acting in nobility. Obviously that's just the usage of

01:28:26.660 words based based meaning stable and strong but in this case here especially at the time of his

01:28:33.940 of the translations is they're referring more to based in a sense of based in in animalism versus

01:28:44.420 the noble spirit the noble germanic arian spirit um sigurd then says

01:28:56.660 Nought could seem worse, but now must park.

01:29:03.020 The prince and Sigurd, since so it is.

01:29:06.720 My road, I ask, the future lies open.

01:29:10.380 Mighty one, speak, my mother's brother.

01:29:14.140 Gripper speaks, now to Sigurd, all shall I say.

01:29:18.780 For to this the warrior bends my will.

01:29:23.140 Thou knowest well that I will not lie.

01:29:25.580 a day there is when thy death is doomed. So I've always kind of taken this as Gripper knows but

01:29:33.740 doesn't want to speak. And as Sigurd is manifesting his will and pressing on, he's trying to further

01:29:45.920 gain knowledge and he's hungry for it. He wants to know more. I want to know more. I want to know

01:29:52.280 more. And Gripper is like, no, I won't speak anymore. I'm not going to take this. Let's

01:29:57.840 just stop. We'll end here. And Sigurd continues on. And then he's like, well, naturally, you

01:30:03.920 know, all men are doomed. And so doomed, of course, meaning fated to die. And he says,

01:30:17.320 I will not lie. A day there is when thy death is doomed.

01:30:25.300 Sigur spoke,

01:30:28.080 No scorn I know for the noble king, but counsel good from gripper I seek.

01:30:36.100 Well will I know, though evil awaits, what Sigur may before him see.

01:30:42.140 So he's, I'm not going to hold you accountable for what the things you've seen and the prophecy you are laying before me.

01:30:51.260 I could never foster that towards you.

01:30:54.960 Um, what, uh, again, what ill, um, ill will or wilt, uh, wilt, uh, wiltki, wiltki, I think is what the translation here, uh, in relation to, like, evil or doom.

01:31:18.740 um gripper says a maid in hymir's home there dwells brynhild's her name to men is known

01:31:31.080 daughter of buzli the doughty king and hymir fosters the fearless maid so this is a part two

01:31:41.180 where the valkyrie that is mentioned earlier in this poem it doesn't deliberately connect them

01:31:52.380 and that Brynhild is or could be interpreted as a separate woman but clearly we see it in

01:32:01.260 the other story where she is both a valkyrie and the daughter of a king

01:32:07.500 Sigurd then speaks,

01:32:37.500 your words and gripper says of many a joy the maiden robs thee fair to see whom hymir fosters 0.77

01:32:46.860 sleep thou shalt find not feuds thou shall end not nor seek out men if the maid thou seest not

01:32:59.260 for she is going to be your doom she is going to and adding in the other story

01:33:05.900 she prophesies the end she does it reluctantly at first and doesn't want to proceed with him

01:33:12.780 but she's in love with him and then when he unknowingly is convinced to marry another it

01:33:20.140 breaks her heart and she turns immediately into an antagonistic force um sigur spoke

01:33:28.860 So what may be had for Sigurd's healing? Say now, Gripper, if see thou canst, if you can see, may I buy the maid with the marriage price, the daughter fair of the chieftain famed? 0.56

01:33:46.820 can i can i meet the dowry of this uh noble woman and he says this even after gripper says

01:33:57.700 when you meet her this is going to mark the end the feuds you get into will will be left

01:34:06.460 unsettled there will be no men to follow you um and your end will will be because of her

01:34:15.440 And he says, but still, will I be able to pay the dowry of this princess and wed her?

01:34:25.180 Gripper says in 31,

01:34:28.860 Ye twain shall all the oaths then swear that bind full fast.

01:34:37.000 Few shall ye keep.

01:34:38.760 One night, when Gyuki's guest thou hast been, will Heimer's fosterling fade from her mind. 0.84

01:34:47.480 So right there he's telling, you're going to make a bonded oath with her, and it will fall into pieces.

01:34:57.400 And that in the same, you know, spans of time that you have sworn to her, once you become a guest of Heimer, it will fall from your mind.

01:35:08.400 And I could see this as almost being, like, this verse as almost offensive in the sense of it, because it's not explained that he's tricked.

01:35:21.180 Sigurd then speaks,

01:35:23.420 What sayest thou, Greper? Give me the truth. 0.99

01:35:29.080 Does fickleness hide in the hero's heart?

01:35:32.280 Can it be that troth I break with the maid?

01:35:35.560 With her, I believed, I loved so dear. 1.00

01:35:39.320 So that's kind of the response to that is because he doesn't tell him he's being tricked.

01:35:44.440 He tells him that he's going to break his oaths and warriors don't do that.

01:35:49.360 And why would they do that to one that they loved?

01:35:52.880 The noble oath that he would make to wed her.

01:35:58.600 and then he says tricked by another prince thou art and the price of grim hild's wiles thou must

01:36:10.540 pay fame to thee for the fair-haired maid her daughter she is and she drags thee down

01:36:18.980 Sigurd speaks, might I with Gunnur kinship make, and Gudrun win to be my wife?

01:36:30.000 Well, the hero wedded would be, if my treacherous deed would trouble me not.

01:36:35.820 So he, remember this poem is referencing and bridging huge parts of a giant poem together in a very sleek package.

01:36:50.820 But I like the fact that he's kind of giving, the poet is giving background feeling and thought, especially considering at this point in the story, Sigurd would be maybe 15 years old.

01:37:11.140 he's a young man and he's very idealistic about about the way he perceives the world before he

01:37:19.720 truly gets thrown into the millstrom of it and so he asks you know will i make a kinship with gunner

01:37:26.320 um her brother and uh win gudrun as the wife um despite my treachery so that's again just

01:37:36.160 interesting but i think that's the point is he's he's bridging the gap of this and gripper spoke

01:37:42.800 holy grim held thy heart dice deceives she will bid thee go and brunhild woo

01:37:51.200 for gunner's wife the lord of the goths and the prince's mother thy promise shall win so

01:37:59.840 So he says, not only will you break the bond of love that you have with Brynhild, you'll be tricked, you'll be deceived, and you will fall for Gudrun, but it's Gudrun's mother, Grimhild, who will send you out to win Brynhild for her own son.

01:38:23.840 and Sigurd then says evil waits me well I see it and gone is Sigurd's wisdom good

01:38:38.460 if I shall woo for another to win the maiden fair that so fondly I loved

01:38:45.260 gripper speaks then he says ye three shall all the oaths then take gunner and hold me

01:38:56.140 and hero thou your forms ye shall change as forth ye tear gunner and thou for gripper lies not

01:39:06.500 So not only that, not only is there the oaths of love and turning against and wooing a woman for another, the brotherhood of oaths to goodness will also be ripped asunder.

01:39:25.560 Sigur speaks, how meanest thou? Why make we the change of the shape and form as forth we set?

01:39:37.540 There must follow another falsehood. Grim in all ways. Speak on, Gripper.

01:39:46.640 Gripper speaks, the form of Gunner and the shape thou gettest, but the mind and the voice thine own remain.

01:39:55.560 The hand of the fosterling, noble of Heimir, now dost thou win, and none can prevent.

01:40:03.600 So he takes the shape of Gunnur to woo this woman, but ultimately it leads to the erosion of their brotherhood.

01:40:14.320 Sigurd speaks, most evil it seems, and men will say, base in Sigurd, that so he did.

01:40:25.560 Again, unseemly, unhonorable, that Sigurd would do such a thing.

01:40:32.080 Not of all my will shall I cheat with wiles, the hero's maiden whom noblest I hold.

01:40:40.840 So that kind of even emphasizes more of the tragedy of this all.

01:40:47.180 Gripper speaks, thou dwellest, leader, lofty of men,

01:40:53.160 with the maid as if thy mother she were lofty as long as the world shall live ruler of men

01:41:01.580 thy name shall remain so in essence he's also saying despite the baseless or the baseless

01:41:12.380 nature or the the uh the unseemliness of all of these actions your deeds will still

01:41:19.300 be remembered sigurd spoke shall gunner have a goodly wife famed among men speak forth now gripper

01:41:30.480 although at my side three nights she slept the warrior's bride such never has been

01:41:38.660 and gripper speaks the marriage draught will be drunk for both for sigurd and gunner in gookie's

01:41:47.760 hall. So the marriage drop. In our marriage ceremonies, there is generally three oaths

01:41:56.440 that are taken, and one is over the horn, the other is an exchange, and then the third

01:42:03.220 is the rings, the oath of the rings. So this is the marriage drop that they're speaking

01:42:10.220 of. But in essence, the horn will be best to two couples that day. For Sigurd and Gunur in Gyuki's

01:42:21.020 wall, your forms you change when home you share, but the mind of each to himself remains. So you

01:42:30.460 do this deed for him, but now you can no longer forget what you have done in wooing Brunholtz.

01:42:39.660 you just forgot who brynhild was before you did this um sigur then speaks shall the kinship new

01:42:49.340 thereafter come to good among us tell me gripper to gunner joy shall it later give or happiness

01:42:57.580 send for me myself so another thing that's really interesting here is he is deeply concerned with

01:43:04.780 the way a close friend will feel about him that he doesn't turn on his friend he doesn't

01:43:13.740 he doesn't want to be seen as a person who uh stabs his friend in the back

01:43:22.140 loyalty is strong but he doesn't quite understand how all of this is going to play out

01:43:29.180 uh gripper speaks nine oaths remembering silent thou art and dwellest with gudrun in wedlock good

01:43:42.140 but brynhild shall deem she is badly mated and wiles she seeks herself to avenge so you will

01:43:52.060 remain with gudrun and you will uh knowing but granhill will remember everything

01:44:03.420 uh sigur then speaks what may for the bride requital be the wife we won with subtle wiles

01:44:13.180 from me she has the oaths i made and kept not long they gladden her little gripper then speaks

01:44:21.740 to gunner soon his bride will say that ill didst thou thine oath fulfill when the goodly king

01:44:30.780 that son of gyuki with all his heart the hero trusted so now he's saying

01:44:37.420 your friend is going to turn at you and say that you broke the friendship and you were the one that 0.83

01:44:46.300 twisted things even though he was the one that clearly asked sigurd to take his shape and form

01:44:53.260 and jump over the fire sigurd then says what sayest thou gripper give me the truth am i guilty so as

01:45:03.020 now is said or lies does the far-famed queen put forth of me and herself yet further speak

01:45:10.860 in wrath and grief full little good the noble bride shall work thee now no shame thou gavest 0.99

01:45:22.360 the goodly one though the monarch's wife with wiles didst cheat so he's free of blank but she 1.00

01:45:33.620 is the component. And this is, of course, talking about Grimhild, the mother and her

01:45:42.980 macinations for her son and for her daughter. Shall Gunnar the wise to the woman's words? Will

01:45:53.380 he suddenly realize that his mother has been treacherous? And Gathom and Hogni then give

01:46:02.700 heed, shall Gyuki's sons, now tell me, gripper, redden their blades with their kinsmen's

01:46:11.040 blood? Heavy it lies on Gudrun's heart when her brothers all shall bring thee death. Never 0.87

01:46:23.600 again shall she happiness know the woman so fair tis grimhild's work

01:46:34.480 and then sigurd then says now fare thee well our fates we shun not and well has gripper answered

01:46:42.960 my wish more of joy to me would tell of my life to come if thou couldest

01:46:50.240 ever remember ruler of men that fortune lies in a hero's life a nobler man shall never live

01:47:01.500 beneath the sun than sigurd shall see so it it abruptly ends and it doesn't go too much further

01:47:11.680 past his death and that makes perfect sense since sigurd is alive but there is a great amount that

01:47:18.360 does happen after but he just speaks of woe and tragedy and there is no real resolve spoken in

01:47:27.080 this poem but he still says your deeds will be held in the highest esteem and and no man more

01:47:34.120 nobler will ever be spoken of like you so even despite the fame there's fame but great tragedy

01:47:45.880 that's going to come out of it.

01:47:48.740 And Stigart says we cannot avoid the things that happen to us.

01:47:54.380 We must go forth boldly, despite even knowing the truth.

01:48:05.180 And that's it, right?

01:48:07.580 Yep.

01:48:08.760 All of it.

01:48:10.740 So some of these are longer than others.

01:48:13.460 Some of them are kind of short as we finish up.

01:48:20.220 But, yeah, this is an interesting perspective.

01:48:26.320 And also, I think, as good a time as any to harken back to the All Fathers Advice 0.89

01:48:35.000 and the Have Them All that it's best to be middling-wise. 0.83

01:48:39.160 Oh, yeah.

01:48:40.020 You want to know this kind of stuff if there's something you can do to avoid something or make it better.

01:48:48.120 But if there's not, what a burden to start out at the beginning of your life.

01:48:55.300 Like, hey, I'm a young man just hitting the road.

01:48:58.980 Hey, Uncle, you know prophecy. Tell me about what's going to happen to me.

01:49:02.980 that's

01:49:05.780 perhaps a blessing

01:49:08.600 but also certainly a curse

01:49:10.160 knowing

01:49:17.700 over much or knowing more than is

01:49:20.600 necessary to know is

01:49:22.180 certainly burdensome

01:49:24.680 and

01:49:25.280 I think

01:49:28.080 we are advised

01:49:30.400 to

01:49:30.760 not open certain doors

01:49:33.960 a lot of the time for that reason.

01:49:38.360 I've got a couple of few questions

01:49:40.220 tonight.

01:49:43.180 Folkwiller Ron

01:49:44.100 Boardman wants to know, what was

01:49:46.060 the highest of highlights from

01:49:48.160 Midsummer at Odinsoff?

01:49:51.400 I overthink these questions,

01:49:56.200 Ron, when you're like, what is

01:49:57.580 the best thing of a really good

01:50:00.060 weekend. I'm like, well, this was cool. But this other thing was also so um, I don't know, I will

01:50:07.260 say one big highlight for me was leading Oden Bloat on Friday night. It's always a tremendous

01:50:24.060 honor to represent the folk giving bloat to the Allfather. I feel like it was a very powerful 1.00

01:50:31.060 bloat, and so I'm going to claim that as the highlight for me, but there were lots of

01:50:38.920 cool highlights. If you watch the slideshow coming out, there's a pretty big awkward rock

01:50:48.440 that's, I think someone said it was about 110 or 115 pounds that was very awkward to lift from the

01:50:59.420 ground up over one's head and got kind of challenged into doing that. And I was happy

01:51:07.120 that I was able to do that successfully. Anybody that might not know, my right arm doesn't lock

01:51:12.420 out all the way. My, uh, elbow on the right arm has significant joint damage over the years.

01:51:20.840 So I couldn't get that, that lockout on that side. So I'm like, man, without resting it bone

01:51:25.380 on bone, can I hold it up? But I did. And it was cool. Um, few of our, our men were able to do

01:51:30.480 that, which was really neat. Um, it's always just great to, the folks at Odin's Hoff have taken

01:51:41.860 such care of the Hoff and spent, you know, all of us have spent so much time in worship and devotion

01:51:50.500 and fellowship in that place. It's very special to share that with people and to see how people

01:51:58.020 who are experiencing that from the first time react and take it all in. So that was another,

01:52:02.780 you know, always a very big highlight.

01:52:09.640 Svon has returned

01:52:10.860 to us.

01:52:11.980 Use the restroom. Coffee. 0.96

01:52:15.060 Svon, are Christians evil? 0.60

01:52:20.980 That's an interesting question. 1.00

01:52:25.560 Are they European

01:52:26.880 Christians? No, I'm only kidding. 1.00

01:52:28.380 are christians evil um one i would say on the base level no not at all um people of faith

01:52:43.840 we need to look at people of faith there is a kinship that we have with them in the sense of

01:52:53.040 faith, as opposed to people who have no faith. And I'm not saying that people with no faith

01:52:59.580 are entirely evil either, but that is a clear and differentiated point.

01:53:06.460 Are they misguided? I think that's a better point to say. And can they be so misguided

01:53:16.440 that they build themselves up into a fervor um or are they infected by fenris's uh

01:53:28.760 slobber or his spit as we spoke about before the the uh power of just absolute intense levels of

01:53:40.120 of this kind of fanaticism that we can see coming out of religions that uniquely are from the 0.95

01:53:47.360 Middle East, probably coincidence, but we see these kind of levels of, we even see it today 0.99

01:53:58.240 when we're in power, we're burning all of these people, or we're getting rid of all of these 1.00

01:54:04.640 people. And they often project that too on us. I've seen that as well. I've seen where it's like,

01:54:11.680 oh, we can't let these guys get in power. They'll destroy everything. And I don't think that's the

01:54:15.780 case. I think that there is, in Ausatru, there is an understanding of our people's history with

01:54:21.640 Christianity that has a sense of respect, a sense of understanding. We understand, you know, the

01:54:28.860 respect, even though all of our heroes, many of them have been slain for not converting and

01:54:36.800 holding true to the gods. One of the things that we could still look at is the writing

01:54:42.440 and how that helped in so much. The oral tradition started to go away and there became

01:54:51.540 a writing tradition that was clearly brought in. But is that Christian or is that Hellenic?

01:54:57.980 And it's kind of hard to just to tell the difference, especially in European Christianity, where Hellenic philosophes begin and, you know, Christians and and Christians take a lot of that from the Greek philosophes and just that's ours.

01:55:15.360 That's what we do. That's why we're we are the way they are. But clearly they were not like that before.

01:55:21.860 kind of immersing themselves in Greece. I think it ultimately depends on their actions

01:55:32.300 that determines whether or not we should deem them evil or good. They are clearly outlandish

01:55:40.700 to us, but all of them have a possibility of coming home. And we should not

01:55:47.280 stop ourselves from trying to bridge that gap. And it's going to take a lot. One of the things

01:55:57.040 is that it's like asking, is a man who is afraid for his life evil for trying to do things to

01:56:06.360 assuage that fear. They have a deep-seated fear of Gehenna, of the Jewish afterlife so much. 0.50

01:56:19.500 They want to avoid it so deeply, and they work so hard to maintain that covenant that they will do 0.88

01:56:26.420 anything they can. And is that, does that fear make them evil? I, I can't lay that

01:56:35.920 acquisition down on them so swiftly. So I'd like to make a point that kind of

01:56:43.060 ties this into the night's story. A persistent theme was, you know, no, uncle, I would never

01:56:54.480 do something like that. That's dishonorable. How could you say that? No, you were tricked.

01:57:01.180 You didn't know better. You got put under a spell. Christianity is a spell that's been

01:57:07.380 cast on our folk for a very long time. Were the original white people who abandoned our

01:57:18.320 gods to become christians evil yes 0.94

01:57:25.920 even the term evil so a couple of things yes it's gonna say evil implies a knowing

01:57:34.480 doing something that you know is bad or malevolent no cowards are not evil necessarily

01:57:44.000 cowardness coward cowardliness can lead to evil 0.96

01:57:51.120 but cowardliness is disgusting to our folk 0.76

01:57:58.160 there were a lot of really evil crimes that were acknowledged and you're hung in public square

01:58:10.520 in our ancestors day but cowardice wasn't one of those cowardice you got stomped into the bog so

01:58:17.500 nobody had to remember that you existed because the concept of you is gross so

01:58:22.880 there are again people who killed their own kin because of trying to force christianity on them 1.00

01:58:39.640 Those people are evil. There are we're all aware of people who under the guise of Christianity abuse and harm children sexually or otherwise, those people are evil. 0.99

01:58:53.800 But no, I think that as a general rule, most of the people that you know today that are Christians, especially in proportion to their Christianity, aren't evil.

01:59:02.960 They're people that want to do the right thing, that are religiously inclined and trying to be pious and don't know any better.

01:59:10.540 They have been cast into it, you know, with some kind of a spell of not remembering who they are and where they came from.

01:59:18.460 And until they wake up from that, they don't know any better.

01:59:21.780 They're trying to be virtuous and good.

01:59:23.780 And for the last, you know, thousand years, that's what that has meant for white people was to be good Christians in whatever that was understood to be.

01:59:38.720 So, no, I don't think Christians are evil.

01:59:40.880 I think there have been certainly plenty of evil Christians, but I think most people who follow Christianity don't do so out of malevolence or bad intention.

01:59:52.180 and they just don't know any better. 0.84

01:59:56.440 And it's been so interwoven into Western culture for the last thousand years

02:00:02.620 that it's hard for them to separate. 0.88

02:00:07.740 I had to use one of theirs to separate the wheat from the chaff.

02:00:13.640 So, yeah, no, I don't think they're evil.

02:00:15.280 I think they're certainly evil Christians, but I don't think as a rule, 0.90

02:00:18.200 Christians are evil. 0.96

02:00:22.180 Wrong and, you know, our spiritual foes in a lot of ways, yes. 1.00

02:00:28.180 There's this, so, something else that we need that is as good a time as any to make the point. 0.97

02:00:39.180 We get pushed in a strange situation when dealing with Christianity.

02:00:44.980 christians who are supportive of us and what we do and supportive of their partners being house of

02:00:53.220 true are convenient for us they're nice to us i think they are prospects for us to convert and

02:01:02.980 bring back home to house of true but they are fundamentally bad christians if you are a christian

02:01:11.340 and you support your spouse being also true and you're okay with also true are you are a bad

02:01:18.700 christian i don't think the solution is for you to become a better christian

02:01:24.140 but you're already got your foot halfway out the door you should go ahead and make the leap and

02:01:27.820 come back home um question from austin uh hello i was harry gofie matt and witness fawn a question

02:01:41.100 for both. What is the frenzy? How does Odin relate to frenzy? And how might an Ausatruar

02:01:51.340 use it? Thank you for what you do. Well, you're very welcome. Svon, what are your thoughts?

02:01:56.840 Yeah, thank you.

02:01:58.040 Oh, pause for a sec. Before I do that, Caitlin bought us a coffee. It's a $5 donation. Thank

02:02:04.200 caitlin we appreciate it and yes you're welcome as well i this is amazing um people's um giving

02:02:14.680 hands um but this is a great question because a lot of people hear this they'll say they hear

02:02:21.480 frenzy they hear ecstasy and words have meaning and words sometimes change over time and a lot

02:02:30.120 of folks might think it just it's such an easy word to understand but they don't understand the

02:02:39.960 context and uh to ask the question might seem out of place and i think this is this is a really good

02:02:47.960 one uh you know when we talk about frenzy or ecstasy or elevated state of mind um

02:02:57.320 We could look at perhaps what it isn't first to define what it is, courage versus cowardliness

02:03:07.360 or what have you, but I'm going to try to not get into too long-winded that way.

02:03:12.980 I think what it truly is, is about mastering the self to such a way or such a degree that

02:03:24.040 you can let loose. You can break down barriers that define the rulings, uh, whether that's,

02:03:33.840 uh, in the sense of the body or in the sense of the mind. And I think that's what it was about

02:03:42.360 with say the berserker or the Uruv Hidnar and the, the poet. Um, there was this overwhelming

02:03:51.880 sense of release, connectivity. There was a breaking down of all the machinations and strategy

02:04:00.380 and just entering into this state where you become purely connected to the energy source,

02:04:10.900 the flow that's coming through you. And that's why Lord Othin is, it's that reaching to him and

02:04:18.680 asking him to in essence carry you over that torrent river um and it would happen in poetry

02:04:28.920 with scalds when they were telling the stories when they were speaking the

02:04:33.260 the uh poetry they would begin to have the hands go numb the words start just flowing out of their

02:04:43.500 mouth in almost a magical sense and they even cease to think about the verse that's coming next

02:04:52.160 they know it it's you know we see this a lot when people are racing when people are singing

02:04:59.920 um where there's these transcendent moments or when they're again on the physical side

02:05:06.560 when someone is running or when someone is doing a feat of great strength and all of the doubt

02:05:14.220 disappears from them and they become this just pure moment. And I think that that really is

02:05:25.100 where Lord Odin is looking. If we talk about the cycle of the soul, one of the key factors that

02:05:35.880 really sticks out and that most everybody focuses on is lord odin and valhal but that isn't the

02:05:44.860 entirety of the process that's the entirety according to a lot of people after the fact

02:05:50.160 they didn't understand the beyond the veil the realm of the ancestors ascension being placed

02:05:58.360 into places, hierarchy,

02:06:01.240 disir, alvar, so on

02:06:03.140 and so forth.

02:06:05.440 Instead, they

02:06:06.920 saw it simply as

02:06:09.300 when they died,

02:06:11.300 they believed they went straight to Valhall

02:06:13.280 without any consideration of the word

02:06:15.340 val meaning chosen.

02:06:18.100 And so Lord

02:06:19.100 Odin is choosing

02:06:21.100 the souls that

02:06:23.420 are powerful,

02:06:25.480 that shine beyond,

02:06:26.780 that go so i mean it could you could take it to a level of reaching a sense of i i would say

02:06:35.560 germanic nirvana um and i i just say that because i don't want to culturally context it in an eastern

02:06:42.920 sense but it is this kind of transcendence but it wasn't a one and done it wasn't like a one

02:06:51.220 moment thing. It was seen as something that could be attained. And then if you were chosen by Lord

02:06:57.920 Odin at a time of this transcendence, then so be it. Or you could have reached these transcendent

02:07:06.160 points throughout your life. And then when you pass your deeds, your word, the honoring of you,

02:07:12.460 speaking about these transcendent moments you you get pulled up after um so i think one of the

02:07:23.760 things to understand is it's not like becoming a buddha or something where it's just uh all of a

02:07:29.960 sudden no no it's it's breaking through the veil of the ignorance of your mind and of your flesh

02:07:36.100 as a as a being here and you kind of touch the divine whether it's the mead of poetry

02:07:43.300 or whether it's the absolute fervor of uh the berserker or the old heat nor and it gets

02:07:50.740 confusing because we see that with the skulls but it's not emphasized as being a concept 0.76

02:08:02.420 And then the other is, is that the berserker was demonized later as being kind of a dumb, ruffian, pagan trope.

02:08:14.720 But I think that the idea of being able to not feel wounds and to not fear death speaks about what was more common is the fear of getting hit with arrows and swords and spears and transcending above that.

02:08:37.980 Or in the poetic sense is the fear of not knowing how to lace the words together to meld the poem, to memorize things, and then suddenly there's that transcendent moment above it, and it's like sipping from Kvasir's blood.

02:08:56.640 it's it's the the mead of poetry flows in you or the the divine inspiration of lord othen ignites

02:09:04.320 you and that's when you reach and attain the frenzy or the the ecstaticism ecstaticism

02:09:21.760 there we go yeah um

02:09:23.360 Um, let's font said, so, um, there is a saying and an understanding I think many of us have

02:09:45.160 encountered and seen the truth of in real life. The line between inspiration and madness is like

02:09:55.140 paper thin, and you will meet crazy people that all of a sudden have a moment where they'll

02:10:03.160 look at you and they'll say something that's extremely profound because they know stuff.

02:10:10.860 They also know about methamphetamines and craziness.

02:10:18.240 That's always been a thing.

02:10:22.460 There is something that occurs, and I think that this gets achieved through a lot of different ways.

02:10:28.500 People will achieve it through ordeal.

02:10:30.220 You can achieve transcendent states through extreme circumstance.

02:10:37.840 You can also achieve them with psychedelics or through ritual or through moments of interaction with the divine.

02:10:49.820 There are things in life that transcend your normal mode of being and you get in a frenzy.

02:10:58.280 Yes, when a crazy person has a crazy episode, that is a form of frenzy.

02:11:03.500 When an artist just goes nuts and has to sit there and do their art until it's done and they're crazy and, you know, difficult to be around, that's a form of that.

02:11:17.300 On the battlefield, Svan talked about the Bersarq or the Ofednar or those kind of things where you literally lose yourself and you transform.

02:11:34.400 there are things and I think that most of us have experienced this in a small way

02:11:46.880 and we need to specify there is frenzy or transcending your normal state that is divine

02:11:55.540 and there is some that is just you're on drugs or you're on whatever substances you're on that

02:12:03.280 help you, or maybe you're having a chemical imbalance. All of these things can happen,

02:12:08.820 and there can be overlap between all of these things.

02:12:16.740 Frenzy can be when a bipolar person is on their manic cycle.

02:12:26.380 When something transcendent occurs that takes you beyond the norms of your regular existence,

02:12:33.280 you are being pulled by seemingly external forces to do things that's a part of that frenzy

02:12:42.840 in a divine way when the gods when you interact with something so much greater than you are and

02:12:55.900 so far beyond you, it can be hard to interact with that and maintain your sanity at the same

02:13:04.820 time. Maybe for a moment, maybe it breaks your head in general, and you're just chattering in

02:13:13.580 the corner about prophecy or something for the rest of time. Now, those are really, really extreme

02:13:19.960 examples. It's probably not the norm that you're going to encounter. But I think we've all seen

02:13:24.040 this a little bit when you get um when you get drunk and you are not you're still you but you're

02:13:30.500 certainly not functioning under the same boundaries and limitations that you are normally under

02:13:36.800 there's something to that it's one of the reasons that our ancestors

02:13:41.120 would often drink very heavily to have their meetings and their discussions amongst amongst

02:13:49.820 friends and amongst leaders and come up with really seemingly at the time really cool stuff

02:13:57.260 but they'd always make sure they conferred about it the next day when everybody was clear-headed to

02:14:01.260 to confirm that it was a good idea or not but something transcendent can happen at that

02:14:07.200 where the way i think that relates to the all-father is

02:14:12.320 Odin is the master of ecstasy, the master of frenzy.

02:14:20.400 So he rides the frenzy in control.

02:14:27.100 And that's, I think, profound.

02:14:30.280 That mastery of self to where you can go on such a journey, but be in control of yourself to keep between the lines and make sure you're exercising your will.

02:14:43.280 even while you're in the throes of ecstatic inspiration

02:14:49.360 that's you know that's some top tier man skills there that i think are really important to think

02:14:55.520 about um you see wolves very seldom in positive context in our lore not never but seldom because

02:15:09.040 they are the embodiment of like ravenous uncontrolled violent devouring hunger and

02:15:18.480 obsession and things like that and i think it's really significant that frecky and gary are odin's

02:15:27.120 pets that curl up nicely at the foot of his his throne and he feeds them you know the food that's

02:15:33.680 offered to him because he's only drinking the wine um his ability to master these creatures

02:15:42.880 of frenzy and keep them at bay and keep them tame is i think very informative about that

02:15:52.000 so there is a an art to interacting with the other the divine the transcendent while maintaining your

02:16:06.160 your will and that's you know an art of the accomplished gothi or the accomplished vidki

02:16:13.580 in a way um but you see it in the lore experienced in different ways and you see it in life

02:16:20.620 experienced in different ways there are certain barriers in your brain that keep you logical

02:16:30.380 but that also prevent you from experiencing the fullness of condition and sometimes

02:16:36.300 you know various drugs alcohol hallucinogenics break those barriers down

02:16:42.460 there are techniques to where fasting or ordeal or

02:16:50.620 uh like there's some intensive breathing methods that also can break those things down a bit and

02:16:59.500 let you glimpse the other but there are some people that naturally have the ability to access

02:17:05.260 that other part of themselves and people who very often women but not always who have the ability

02:17:11.900 to have second sight to have a much more viscerally transcendent experience where they see the things

02:17:20.620 beyond the veil in a different way and in a much more palpable way there's also instances where

02:17:28.780 you know the gods can override that by making themselves more in your face on the message that

02:17:35.540 they're trying to interact with you now those people who experience that are a very fortunate

02:17:40.580 few um but i think that that's what some of that is about and i think this is also an interesting

02:17:46.700 aside on that on that theme

02:17:52.380 the rune kaun or kinaz is interesting to me in that regard and i just kind of

02:18:01.100 it clicked for me this last year uh in a special way we always hear it okay in alistar true and i

02:18:11.740 we always hear old people like swan and i have heard throughout our time coming into ausitru

02:18:19.980 about uh you know kenaz meaning torch we don't find that a lot in the lore what we find a lot

02:18:28.380 is the concept of it meaning like a like an ulcerated sore like something that's like a

02:18:35.820 burning pain internally or a burning like wound that hurts and that's always seemed kind of gross

02:18:45.260 and not really cool to me the torx thing sounded awesome that's kind of what i wanted it to mean

02:18:51.180 but the more i study the more i'm constantly confronted with that ulcer idea

02:18:58.380 but it clicked to me that that's a form of that frenzy

02:19:01.420 um when you get literally it gets described we have a lot of reference to it in our culture but

02:19:10.020 the fire in the belly when you have a burning desire to accomplish something that idea of that

02:19:18.640 burning desire um when you burn with motivation to do something with hunger with lust with

02:19:30.340 ambition or just with inspiration to where you know something needs to get out and you

02:19:37.000 are literally have a burning sensation to push you forward to complete something that you have

02:19:44.860 conceived must be accomplished. And I think in a lot of the ways that speaks towards that divine

02:19:51.200 And frenzy is inspiration in that burning and visceral sense.

02:19:58.040 But Odin not just is the master of the frenzy.

02:20:02.560 He is also a god of inspiration.

02:20:04.460 And he is one who inflicts that frenzy.

02:20:07.640 He inflicts that inspiration, be it poetic, be it in the terms of the ambitions of kings and warlords or of poets.

02:20:21.200 and songwriters or of, you know, priests and prophets

02:20:28.640 that need to structure our faith and bring our folk home

02:20:33.640 in a lot of those different ways.

02:20:36.400 So it's a long-winded, multifaceted answer,

02:20:38.720 but I do think Odin lends himself towards that,

02:20:43.560 as does his, you know, ecstatic fury.

02:20:47.560 I wanted to say, because something you just said at the end

02:20:50.680 And kind of, he said, how do Ausatruhr use that today?

02:20:57.980 And what you were talking about, Lord Oðinn, being inspiration hit me as that's, I think, one of the key components that we, in our fervor, in our frenzy, in our ecstatic states can do is inspire others.

02:21:14.960 because the soul signal is making people spiritually confused,

02:21:21.700 sometimes completely wandering off and having burning bright

02:21:26.880 and having that devotion, seeing an ovance bloat

02:21:33.820 and getting kind of pulled into understanding what's going on around you.

02:21:39.840 But it's like a flashing hot moment, I think,

02:21:43.380 has a lot of power for people that cuts through the din of a lot of what modernity is kind of

02:21:50.740 placing on us let that inspiration

02:21:56.820 get you off the couch what does that do and how is that used by modern

02:22:02.820 outsider it depends on your inclination your orientation and your capacity but very often

02:22:10.740 it's to do something and you can sit there and literally drive yourself insane in the terms of

02:22:17.660 this wondering what should i do not nothing and i i've ran into that on a couple of things

02:22:27.180 don't wait for the perfect answer get up and do something do the imperfect something until the

02:22:36.040 more perfect something appears but getting out there and participating sticking with it and

02:22:43.080 moving it forward that's what can be done as far as our go thar actively engaging um

02:22:54.200 regularly gifting the gods in the in the gift cycle and genuinely seeking their

02:23:00.520 their uh their inspiration and their wisdom in how to proceed and then being throwing themselves

02:23:08.620 wholly into the process of building and spreading our faith and building our faith and making this

02:23:17.640 stuff happen it is utilized by me to be unbearably obnoxious to all of my colleagues to try to

02:23:27.280 by sheer will

02:23:30.380 and annoyance

02:23:31.400 to force people to get stuff

02:23:34.560 done

02:23:35.080 by the

02:23:40.460 concept of this show

02:23:41.800 that's the idea that victory never sleeps

02:23:44.620 I can't be still

02:23:45.860 I can't stop

02:23:47.360 I have to

02:23:49.200 make the best out of the life

02:23:52.260 I have here in Midgard

02:23:53.780 to

02:23:55.120 carry this ball and carry Ausatru and build it as bright and as glorious as I possibly can or as

02:24:03.360 it possibly can be under my direction in the time that I have that tremendous honor and very rare

02:24:11.540 opportunity. So, you know, going with it and getting stuff done. Accomplishment is the cure to

02:24:21.920 most all things.

02:24:25.260 Go out and accomplish

02:24:26.580 and do.

02:24:33.340 So Nick put this in here

02:24:34.880 as a question. It's kind of a statement, but

02:24:36.720 we'll read it and respond to it.

02:24:38.660 Also from Forkbuilder Ron Boardman,

02:24:40.640 what is a common thread

02:24:42.520 throughout Germanic lore is that

02:24:44.580 the hero embraces

02:24:46.760 his fate, whatever it is.

02:24:50.240 Fawn,

02:24:50.920 reflect.

02:24:51.920 Oh, before you do, pause for a sec.

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02:25:00.220 She says, good evening, Osherio Gauthier and Wooden Svon.

02:25:03.840 Good conversation this evening.

02:25:05.500 Hail victory.

02:25:06.580 Hail victory.

02:25:07.460 Hail victory.

02:25:08.560 I feel like that was an attack on me about it not being an actual question.

02:25:12.180 No, it was just a word.

02:25:14.300 It's not a real question.

02:25:15.800 It's a statement, but I think it's fine for us to give some opinions on.

02:25:19.880 It started with a question word. That's all I saw.

02:25:23.860 It did start with a question word. I think that was a rhetorical question word.

02:25:29.580 But that's okay. We'll still respond to it because I think it's a good point to be made.

02:25:34.160 Yeah, when we see the argument between will and fate continually coming up in our faith.

02:25:42.040 And the ultimate point of that is, despite fate, whatever fate may be, it is the gods that know, it is the norms that know,

02:25:54.760 but that men should press forward and attain their will and drive on and not just accept

02:26:07.540 what is coming, but to, in essence, your fate is your will. And so your will is the only thing you

02:26:19.400 can control. So you should concern yourself with that and that alone. And that is how you

02:26:26.500 drive forward. I really like it because it is, I think, something that we often

02:26:33.400 discuss and debate and wonder about if there's a fatalism or how does our will fit into things

02:26:41.920 when if it's already faded, it doesn't matter. But that's the whole point. And it's been here

02:26:47.800 since the beginning our ancestors said you know even the gods may know more than we do they

02:26:54.600 certainly do but in the poems they may know more than we do but it is irrelevant to the deeds of

02:27:01.620 what you must you can't just lay down curl up and die a hero goes forward laughing attempting to

02:27:11.480 attain, attempting to commit himself to action. And I, you know, I see that a lot. I think I see

02:27:20.120 that in the tragedy of this day and age is that a lot of people talk about doing things, but don't

02:27:25.760 physically do things. And that is sad. And there are a lot more people, you know, showing up and

02:27:35.840 doing things. But there's, again, equally a number of people who are standing on the

02:27:41.180 sidelines and scorning people, even though those people showed up and these people never

02:27:49.600 left their house. So, yeah, the attainment of your fate, the only way that you can truly

02:27:58.360 live the fullness of your fate is through your will so go out and do

02:28:07.020 that is you know one of the very ultimate expressions of heroism is rising to the occasion

02:28:16.780 even in the face of overwhelming odds and likelihood of you know failure

02:28:25.460 there is honor in the struggle there is dignity and heroism in making stuff happen and in doing

02:28:38.700 the right thing regardless of the cost um the ability we talked about transcendence

02:28:46.700 in terms of frenzy there is a transcendent quality when the hero

02:28:53.500 is able to implement right action without regard to consequence

02:29:03.660 um and that's said a lot there are things that are expected of the hero regardless of

02:29:09.820 of what the consequence may be.

02:29:13.000 So you go out there, you roll the dice,

02:29:16.220 and you see what happens.

02:29:18.000 And that's a part of the concept of Valhall is,

02:29:23.560 you know, it's not,

02:29:25.700 and I think that it gets taken too far,

02:29:27.640 but it's not just, it's not for the winners.

02:29:31.980 And it's not, you're not excluded if you fall.

02:29:35.620 Some of the people that fall on the battlefield

02:29:37.480 the field or the people that the all father most wants in his company because they went out there

02:29:42.740 and did their part regardless you know knowing what they were up against they still chose to

02:29:48.440 go out there and uh show up so there's that uh are there afa members who are married to

02:29:59.240 or dating christians or atheists or people of other beliefs it's fun

02:30:03.180 uh yeah i yes um we've met um okay so wait let's go back a little further it was a common

02:30:14.380 thing uh in with ausa through being um newly revitalized people were coming back

02:30:24.140 uh for various reasons whatever inspired them and it was generally seen that you would have um

02:30:30.540 um a the the man of the of the couple is also through and the woman of the couple is you know

02:30:39.880 some sort of kind of quasi uh spiritualist crystal witchy whatever and it was always kind of like

02:30:48.640 that way it was it was uh you would not see um the crystal fuzzy bunny uh hippie guy uh with his

02:31:01.040 witchy girlfriend it was always a very strong and stout uh forward focusing towards asa true or

02:31:07.760 towards the gods uh and the masculinity there and then there was this uh they were going for

02:31:14.400 or masculine men, even in the whole, I guess, postmodern Marxist view of the feminine religion,

02:31:26.940 goddess worship, or what have you. I've always found that kind of intriguing and funny in a lot

02:31:34.300 of ways. Pause for one second. I see it over in the chat, and I want to recognize it before we

02:31:40.020 go further daughter of the west i love that i absolutely love that um she says i am i can i

02:31:49.800 ought i will uh i teach that to my children it's a motto in our home that's amazing and first time

02:31:57.920 i've seen it put that succinctly or in that way and i'm really glad you reinforce that with your

02:32:03.180 showroom. Well done. Darion. Yeah, no, and just the premise of will and fate. And it's very funny

02:32:14.000 because I would view, I think, the dichotomy between us. As here go, he's very focused on the

02:32:24.580 will. And I am, and always have been kind of focused on the fate. Um, and I remember us having

02:32:32.500 long discussions about the difference between the two and how they interplay with each other.

02:32:38.080 Um, especially if like, if you, I take great stock in runic, um, divinatory practices. So

02:32:49.180 that again is this skein of fate, but everything's being influenced by will. And I just, I find it

02:32:57.860 such an interesting thing. And it is kind of, yeah, the dichotomy that plays out between us.

02:33:03.960 But the couples, sorry, getting back to couples. Yes, I have met plenty of Ousathruer who have 1.00

02:33:17.520 non-religious, um, loved ones, uh, in their marriage, or they have, like you said, kind of 1.00

02:33:27.060 in truth, bad Christians because, uh, you know, Christians by their faith and doctrine speak about,

02:33:34.480 um, you know, not being with those people. I mean, and, and we've spoken before Jesus even said,

02:33:42.440 I call them, you know, not as a peacemaker, but I bring a sword to sever the relationship between father and son and mother and daughter.

02:33:54.040 And what they're talking about in that Bible verse is that their faith will break even the bonds of kinship, which kind of does set the motif for it just in general.

02:34:07.040 And the more hard lined they are, that has more prevalence.

02:34:11.840 But there is, of course, the way that Christianity has evolved to keep more people, if it's that hard, that rigid, it's going to lose a lot of people, where they accept Ausatru or pre-Christian holidays and things and they kind of turn a blind eye or ramp up the fear when they need to.

02:34:39.780 It's more of a control volume as opposed to just turning it up the whole time.

02:34:46.540 But you find them married, or I like to call them cultural Christians.

02:34:52.800 Their parents are Christian.

02:34:54.400 They went to church.

02:34:56.140 And the big thing is they just don't want to go to the bad place in Judaism. 0.80

02:35:01.940 And that's pretty much it.

02:35:03.440 And then they might ramp it up to, I'm going to accept this rabbi from the Middle East as my Mashiach or the Mashiach of the Israelites, but also me.

02:35:17.880 And then eventually it ramped up to, we are the new Israelites.

02:35:23.000 And then it just keeps going and going depending on how hardline they are.

02:35:28.880 But at a certain point, I generally see that there's, for those who are accepting of the faith of their loved ones, as they get to know more of the traditions of Asateru, they kind of parallel themselves in there.

02:35:49.140 They kind of merge because there is a familiarity that, like in Christianity, there's a familiarity, but then as you dig and dig and dig, it's not very long before you start learning about Zebekah and the, you know, the Edomites and all of these kind of Middle Eastern politics going on.

02:36:17.680 And it's a lot of folks, when they reach that point in the in the delve down, that's their break zone.

02:36:24.660 The light starts to dim and they're like, you know, I'm not going to go into all of that.

02:36:28.920 Those that do press on, they lose or they have to place themselves in that realm.

02:36:36.120 And they're not all of that. But when they come into Ausatru, there is no break off point.

02:36:41.940 It's like everything we're doing has been with our people for as long as we've been.

02:36:47.680 So it makes perfect sense what we're doing and why we're doing it.

02:36:51.980 And it's okay.

02:36:53.280 And my kids are doing good and everything's, that's where I think a lot of that kind of

02:36:57.660 comes in.

02:36:58.360 So I generally see most folks that come into our faith, if they've been searching, oftentimes

02:37:06.220 they are men, but I have met more women in the Austro Folk Assembly than I ever have

02:37:12.460 before just in a kind of broad sense of house it through where they were initiating things their

02:37:18.860 their motherhood was kicking in or something was going on and they were like well my husband's

02:37:24.460 uh not there yet but i'm also true and i've seen that a lot surprisingly and um

02:37:33.340 generally the other partner will either stay completely away and that's out of laziness

02:37:40.620 disinterest materialism uh but very rarely is it out of conviction for their religion over their

02:37:47.980 partners it's out of denial it's out of like let's pretend that's not a real thing oh that's just

02:37:53.740 something silly they're doing that's just right it's a hobby for them um so one thing to consider

02:38:05.340 on this. People come to Ausatru at different points in their life. If you come home to Ausatru

02:38:12.940 and you find yourself in a relationship with someone who is not Ausatru, that doesn't bar

02:38:19.420 you from being a member and participating in the AFA. The hope is that you will bring your partner

02:38:25.260 into becoming Ausatru. But we have a number of people that found this at different points in

02:38:32.080 their life and have long-standing relationships with people who are not

02:38:38.620 Ausitru. And we don't, you know, try to break up families or encourage people to,

02:38:44.780 you know, do that. That's not required of you. But it's certainly a better option

02:38:52.420 for you to, if you are single now, date Ausitru or build relationships with

02:39:01.620 usatruar marry usatruar build your family with usatruar um if you

02:39:10.180 and we see this a lot and we see it often with guys we have our men today that get very desperate

02:39:19.000 and they make poor decisions because they are lonely and often hopeless and just want to have

02:39:27.320 someone and i get that i'm not talking down to that i i understand that i can see myself

02:39:37.880 falling into that i have been very very fortunate in my life that that hasn't been my situation and

02:39:46.120 that you know i found mandy at an afa event and it worked out beautifully and in a storybook way

02:39:53.400 and i i'm very blessed because of that but it could have gone a different way where i get that

02:39:58.680 i don't like to be alone i understand it um it is worth it to take your time and make good decisions

02:40:10.120 one of the most foul curses i have seen upon our folk is these men that make

02:40:18.360 enough men and women that make poor choices on who they have babies with and then they have to deal

02:40:25.800 with truly awful custody disputes that don't let them live their life fully or raise their children

02:40:33.960 as they know they ought to and that's really sad and i wouldn't wish that on any of you

02:40:41.000 to that end the afa does not you know our gothar do not perform weddings

02:40:50.040 as a rule for couples unless both members are also true are

02:40:56.120 not just austral but australia and afa members that is to ensure the idea that your marriage is

02:41:02.360 built right from the moment of inception of that marriage and so that our

02:41:11.000 our church and our gods are invited in and a integral part of that relationship from that day

02:41:19.960 forward and that's really important to us um i get it i know there's plenty of guys listening to this

02:41:27.720 man maybe i got with this girl i could convince her cool convince her before you get in a long-term

02:41:34.360 relationship with her and you plan a life with her if you can you know through your studliness 1.00

02:41:42.120 convert the ladies bring them home to house true you know more power to you but it's really easy

02:41:49.000 to get caught up and not be able to break the shackles that a relationship puts you in

02:41:56.120 and then make compromises that don't allow you to be your true self or to live authentically

02:42:01.160 i've seen people that found themselves oh she'll come around you know one of these days she'll

02:42:07.400 she'll see the truth and she'll come home to house the true and i've seen men waste

02:42:12.520 decades of their life not being able to live authentically because they are

02:42:21.080 not in a position or are too weak to take a spiritual lead in their home

02:42:25.480 and that's really unfortunate don't find yourself there don't do that now i it's a different prospect

02:42:33.160 to find somebody who's not particularly religious and then incorporate them into what we do and to

02:42:39.160 bring them in i think that's got a lot better route to success than somebody who is a committed

02:42:45.000 christian but as i said earlier in the broadcast good christians don't want to date you 0.77

02:42:51.560 good christians are offended by your existence and you are an idolatrous or yeah demon worshiper

02:43:02.240 and they don't want to have anything to do with you if they do they are to one degree or another 0.92

02:43:07.460 bad christians i suppose that's a start like hey how about you just come on home to alice true

02:43:13.360 instead um swan mentioned earlier you know if you are a real christian then you know your bible you 0.96

02:43:21.280 know those things and you're comfortable and you're full in on the little hat jewishness of

02:43:26.440 christianity if you're not then very often you've got your you know is that movie from dogma where 0.69

02:43:34.720 you got your like buddy jesus that is just your imaginary friend that approves of all the stuff

02:43:41.220 you do and is your homie and that's not real christianity they should probably get rid of 0.70

02:43:47.140 that and come up with something that's authentic or they double down and it's like we're the lost

02:43:54.540 tribe of the israel yeah then they go yes we we was jews right which a lot of people do whether

02:44:03.880 it's the black israel it is amazing what mental gymnastics people can go through because we always

02:44:11.640 avoid and this goes back to our thing we just said about the hero we want to avoid discomfort so bad 0.96

02:44:20.040 and this is okay so this is another random blame it on the moscato whatever thing that we're going

02:44:25.560 into here but to fundamentally evaluate your core beliefs and make necessary changes when you know

02:44:40.440 things to be true or things to be wrong that's hard and it's very uncomfortable and it

02:44:49.320 can reshuffle your relationships with your family and with your loved ones

02:44:54.800 it can reshuffle your place in the world and the longer you live wrong and the later in life you

02:45:04.900 discover it, man, I'm 70 and everything I've been doing for the last 70 years is the wrong way to

02:45:13.200 go. That is a hard thing to mentally wrap your head around. And I think we see that with boomers

02:45:22.020 and the news and political stuff and a variety of things. Technology, they don't want to 1.00

02:45:30.500 broaden their horizons on a lot of things because it's terrifying so

02:45:41.940 it's amazing the kind of mental nonsense we'll go to to not upset the paradigm that we're

02:45:47.780 comfortable in oh wow this is all about the jews they are clearly the chosen people of yahweh this 0.81

02:45:55.780 is whoa this is crazy what do i do this is all i know um well maybe maybe a secret jew went to

02:46:09.540 england at one point and then all the bad jews stayed there but the like good jew is and it's 0.95

02:46:19.060 it's ridiculous it's inauthentic it's insulting to the actual jews it's insulting to you it's 1.00

02:46:24.660 insulting to your ancestors it offends the icier and yahweh it is wrong all around we stand in 0.99

02:46:32.980 solidarity in saying that's nonsense don't do that but yes fawn i'm gonna take a break for a second

02:46:41.860 while you begin to answer question for you both what are some of your tips about how to be

02:46:49.300 consistent in life and responsibilities, et cetera? That is a great question, but let me

02:47:03.520 give a little preface is that I have a tendency to live in a very

02:47:12.340 acting when acting is correct but letting go when I don't have control or what have you

02:47:25.720 sometimes this does bite me in the butt I can get overwhelmed by things because things build up

02:47:31.600 But I, as I was speaking before with Al-Shera Godi, I do place a heavy emphasis on the fate and the nature and how things are rolling out and contemplating how the gods might see things or what have you.

02:47:52.600 But that doesn't mean I'm inactive, or I don't have or take action. Instead, I find myself that the downside is reacting to a lot that which flows to me. But because I have that in my head already, that I am just kind of following the flow of things, I know that I'm going to have to react.

02:48:18.540 And I, you know, sometimes I wonder if the people that are very willful and very planned, if they themselves are ever caught off guard with things kind of falling out underneath them, and then they emotionally react to things they can't control.

02:48:38.300 So that's kind of where that dichotomy comes in. But I found too, for myself, there is a certain

02:48:44.940 sense of stability that comes in, even when there's not an attempt to achieve it, that finding

02:48:53.240 yourself correctly going with a time schedule. So, and I was here, I mean, he's not here,

02:49:01.580 So he, but I know he would scathe at me about for what I'm about to say, but for me, um, I, you know, following the, the iron mark versus following the, um, Gregorian calendar.

02:49:17.600 so it's like i there's five weeks in this month ah and i'm like yelling at about calendars like

02:49:23.760 some sort of like nut but at the same time i'm following this other pattern um and it's the same

02:49:33.280 like uh you know looking at the year sometimes i'll only look at the year based on the holy tides

02:49:39.280 what's coming up what thresholds are we passing through um and so i find a pattern i find this

02:49:46.800 recognition so to honestly say from my perspective is to align yourself correctly and i'm not saying

02:49:56.640 this with the intention of like political jargon or over i'm sorry uh religious jargon or over

02:50:05.760 religious sized jargon i'm not the only way you can get right with the gods is if you you know

02:50:11.200 attend every uh half ceremony um and then you will find the light brother no i'm not saying that what

02:50:20.560 i am saying is that it helped me greatly when i aligned myself to the holy tides and i began to

02:50:31.840 see the year and its evolution and its cyclical nature and it greatly helped me um

02:50:41.200 not just feel like I was lost in the millstrom, but that I was flowing down a river and I was

02:50:48.060 seeing these guideposts and I could kind of pull myself towards willful inclinations. Or when I

02:50:57.360 saw a correct moment to strike, I would loose the arrow and it was good. And what I found is a lot

02:51:04.860 of times that led me into very synchronistic places and, um, meeting people and talking to

02:51:15.620 people and finding myself showing up at just the right time or missing out on stuff that I really

02:51:23.740 didn't need to be in or, or vice versa. And, um, so I have, I think a different view on that

02:51:33.000 Because I would be lying to you if I was to say that I was this just timely and absolutely stabled person in my what I'm doing day to day.

02:51:46.160 And anybody, especially all the leadership in the Astro Folk Assembly, no, I am not that person.

02:51:53.700 I am ethereal at best in a lot of ways.

02:51:57.600 But that's because I find myself flowing around, but I can say this much. One of the things that's helped me the most is aligning myself to the holy tides of the year and my community. It grounds me. It brings me back in. It helps me feel that spiritual connectivity that I need. And it keeps me from getting lost in all of it.

02:52:22.600 And the other, I don't know if this is good or bad, but I do get hyper-focused on what's in front of me. Now, bad part is peripheral vision gets lost and sometimes I lose count or track of things going on.

02:52:40.420 But I have found over the years that if I can hyper focus on what's in front of me and oftentimes interactions with the fellow folk community, even though I may fail in other places, the consistency of being there and forward facing when I'm with someone or a group of people has created

02:53:10.420 It's not even created. It just is a sense of sincerity that I feel does go a long way.

02:53:22.100 And I find this too in my work. There's the paradox of the client who's waiting

02:53:29.400 is on a time schedule, but the moment he gets in the chair, he never wants to leave. He will talk

02:53:35.660 to me for forever. So it's always the, the idea that when people are kind of caught in the

02:53:43.300 millstrom of meeting deadlines and schedules and so on and so forth, um, does truly go away with

02:53:51.120 the sincerity of true interaction. So I depend on that a lot and almost to a detriment. So I would

02:53:59.760 warn not to do it too much, but don't be afraid to focus on the moment. Don't be afraid to kind of

02:54:09.480 accept that which is coming around you and anything that makes a routine, view it as a

02:54:19.880 blessing. If that means day to day, there's something that you need to do. You need to get

02:54:25.480 up and help a family member because they're elderly or children, or there's something that

02:54:32.740 you do. In our family, we do these night walks and they have become part, I didn't resist,

02:54:42.080 they became a part of my routine. And what I end up finding is that it helps me not get lost in

02:54:50.020 all of it. So finding your pattern, finding your tempo is really, really important. If you find

02:54:58.420 yourself as more like me, where you're kind of floating around and, you know, that's what I think

02:55:05.580 will help alleviate and help you if you're having this struggle of time management. If you're having

02:55:12.320 this struggle, you can find the pattern of, uh, things that ground you. And if they're not helping

02:55:21.740 you, of course, I would say move to something else like, but you should try to find that which

02:55:27.120 naturally occurs. I think that will help you. Um, if, uh, uh, like a perfect example too is, um,

02:55:36.580 And for me, the staying up late for the podcast has affected my life, not in a bad way. It's just in a way. And one of the things I was thinking about doing was taking a secondary night job because I find myself staying up.

02:55:57.260 And I already kind of did that before the podcast, but it all just, the podcast was even a product of my staying up here on the East Coast while, you know, folks are awake on the West Coast.

02:56:10.400 And so you want to formulate and arm yourself by perceiving what you are doing and then utilizing those moments naturally.

02:56:24.380 Don't force it.

02:56:25.840 If this is the time that you do things, then you should hold that as a, as a, a mark of stability and then, and, and then move on from there. Oh, we got a doggo. See, like a, I just like a squirrel, squirrel.

02:56:42.300 No, the overarching thing is finding the tempo, finding the rhythm that helps you gain.

02:56:54.900 And for me, it's like the macro is the year and the holy tides.

02:57:01.160 Almost to the point now where I just, I'm not even in the whole months and days.

02:57:07.120 It's like midsummer.

02:57:08.560 Okay, Sigurblot.

02:57:10.100 And then next is Freyfaxi.

02:57:11.740 And it's, you know, but some people can't do that because of their work or the way that they have deadlines and so on and so forth.

02:57:18.580 So try to find things that ground you and then really focus on what you're doing in front of you.

02:57:28.080 But not to your own detriment, because sometimes over focusing on what's in front of you makes you forget about all the other stuff that needs to.

02:57:35.960 Speaking out about one's detriment.

02:57:39.360 I hear things.

02:57:41.740 and it came to me while I was off tending to the needs of my family and my bladder that

02:57:50.120 somebody was lamenting the Gregorian calendar. I'm not Gregory, but it has been the calendar

02:57:59.940 that we've used for 400 years. So I don't think these Christians on their Gregorian calendar 1.00

02:58:07.720 is a reasonable excuse to miss pre-arranged deadlines and dates on things. 0.99

02:58:16.800 This man on the screen with me is the only person that I would take that from unironically.

02:58:21.880 No, he seriously is lamenting the Gregorian calendar

02:58:25.500 as to why he was not at the Witten meeting tonight.

02:58:29.580 There's a fifth week in the month? What is that?

02:58:32.660 anyways um no thank you for covering on that i had to help mandy with a couple things and

02:58:40.120 tuck my daughter in and do a little bit there so what i was gonna say there are

02:58:47.360 lots of right ways to do it habit is key get in good healthy habits and

02:58:57.820 force yourself to do those things over and over and over and over again until it's muscle memory

02:59:04.820 routine and habit are really important and if you don't if you space responsibilities and you space

02:59:13.920 consistent things in your life it is it is very hard once you build the muscle memory to where

02:59:20.720 it is something you naturally do and it's an ingrained habit it is so much easier to maintain

02:59:26.360 that because you feel it's lost when it doesn't happen. This pertains to reading stuff or studying

02:59:34.720 or working out or dieting or anything you want to do in your life to make yourself better.

02:59:45.540 Habit is everything. Build good habits and go through a solid period of time making sure you

02:59:54.220 do stuff. I would also say lists are really valuable if you can make sure the list is in your

03:00:01.760 face. If you have a list that's hidden in a place on your phone you are not normally looking,

03:00:07.420 then you will not see it and you might as well not have a list. So having a list to where it is set

03:00:13.240 up somewhere where you will see it, that's important. Out of sight, out of mind is a thing

03:00:19.180 with me. Now I say this cause I have a lot of, I have a big problem sorting information. I get

03:00:25.680 lots of stuff that I'm supposed to remember. Lots of things pile at once and overlap and it's hard

03:00:34.000 to keep everything sorted. So these are things I've had to learn doing myself and I still, you

03:00:39.720 know, need a lot of improvement at them, but these are the things that have helped me on it.

03:00:44.760 But yeah, and I'm glad that you realize that's something you want to get better at because

03:00:49.120 getting overstimulated with too much information is a very, very easy and understandable problem

03:00:58.480 to find yourself in today. He said both of you, but I'm going to answer too. ADHD and caffeine.

03:01:05.800 I swear it's a superpower. Just develop it.

03:01:08.800 how can you develop something you like not everybody uh the caffeine part i i get sometimes

03:01:20.080 yeah um

03:01:22.960 yeah so there's focus but then there's trouble focusing but there's also a hyper focus that

03:01:33.440 comes with overcorrection to where you obsess about certain things. So there's some stuff in

03:01:41.080 there to think about on both ends. Well, I did want to say to add, because this seems to add

03:01:47.500 to it, as Finraith said, should we stop using Arabic numbers and go back to Roman numerals?

03:01:53.200 And again, this is where I relent. I understand the wisdom that Al-Sheragothi is saying when he 0.98

03:01:59.000 says this is our calendar we've been using it for so long we're not alien in our society and the

03:02:06.200 reason why our society picked up arabic numerals instead of the roman numerals because one was

03:02:12.680 built to be written on stone and the other was built to be written on paper and we write on

03:02:17.800 paper now so it's just easier and more convenient for everyone to kind of just go in that direction

03:02:24.600 and i'm not trying to be alien and i don't encourage our folk to be alien for this especially

03:02:31.640 for just to be the sake to be alien i want to stick out so i'm going to be different like that

03:02:37.480 kind of garbage is is not good and i i don't agree with it but yeah that's kind of like where

03:02:43.240 i truly do relent and it's on me it's on it's that's my fault for some of that but the idea 0.68

03:02:51.400 again is that we don't want to be so different that our own folk see us as being uh we they

03:03:01.640 can't bridge they can't come across that in actuality coming home to this faith should feel

03:03:08.600 so natural that's why we have to i think avoid making proclamations like i'm only going to use

03:03:15.800 the lunar calendar or the anglo-saxons in this time of the year okay so i went into this tonight

03:03:21.880 talking with alan about something scheduling it also depends on who you're talking to so alan's

03:03:29.240 like matt can you be available at three o'clock on saturday well no i can't that's precisely when

03:03:35.000 i'm doing something i can't do it later in the conversation you know it gets going this and that

03:03:41.320 blah blah blah he brings up something about eastern time i'm like hold on alan when you

03:03:46.240 ask me if i could do something at three o'clock are you talking about your three o'clock or my

03:03:51.180 three o'clock oh i meant eastern of course well not of course alan i don't live in eastern time

03:03:57.860 zone i live in pacific time zone yes at noon there's a lot i absolutely can do that at noon

03:04:05.060 so tell them in their time ask in their time yes as a general rule it depends on who you're

03:04:14.940 talking to if you're talking to somebody that you know is a nerd about like if it's a small number

03:04:21.060 we all get it if you want to use roman numerals and if it's a big number and you know somebody

03:04:26.340 nerds out about that then cool talk to them in roman numerals but if you're talking to regular

03:04:30.520 people, most people you're going to encounter are going to be

03:04:33.660 familiar with the Arabic numbering. Just like, you know,

03:04:37.600 if your friend is in on the game that you're playing with your

03:04:40.900 lunar calendar thing that you want to do, then cool, do that.

03:04:44.460 But when you're communicating cross platform to people that

03:04:48.020 are not on that page, and this goes with any communication,

03:04:54.720 you need to be intentional by all the stuff you do. So if your

03:04:59.760 intention with your communication is to get the person on the receiving end to know what you're

03:05:04.180 talking about, you need to tailor it to that. If it's to express something in a correct way or in

03:05:10.800 a pious way, then maybe you'll do it different. If your point of communication is to like mystify

03:05:19.880 them with your arcane knowledge, then again, you communicate differently. It just depends on what

03:05:24.180 purposes. And the hand gestures help. So last question of the night. How important is national

03:05:37.980 identity to the AFA? Svon? I just think that national identity is part and parcel with

03:05:49.600 things that we would consider seemly or honorable. There is an inner and an outer,

03:05:55.680 and there is a place that you belong. There is a people you belong to. I think our faith

03:06:01.020 lends very clearly to the idea of connectivity between the multiplicity. That's why we believe

03:06:09.940 in multiple gods. Well, that's why there are multiple gods is because all forces do not

03:06:17.980 boil down to singularity that that doesn't work multiplicity is the truth of all forces all nature

03:06:28.720 all meta nature beyond nature and everything it is um so when we

03:06:38.080 when we speak about the multiple identities that a person may carry one of them naturally is

03:06:49.480 national identity but it gets very very interesting too when uh you can't shirk that identity

03:06:57.640 whether you want to or not that's also a very interesting thing culture ethnicity race these

03:07:06.540 things define you, whether you want them to or not. And I think that's a very big overarching

03:07:12.700 topic for our people, for other people. You know, how can you say that you're

03:07:22.080 AUSA through, you're not even from Scandinavia, or you're not even from Sweden, or you're not even

03:07:28.060 from, you know, and so now they start to get the designation, especially when they want to 0.53

03:07:33.540 weaponize it against people but you know you go overseas and people see you and they immediately

03:07:41.780 know you're american or they immediately know you're a dane or a swede or what have you um

03:07:50.420 there's levels of identity that build us as to who we are because again everything works in

03:07:57.540 multiplicity nothing works in singularity you are not one brain cell you are not one

03:08:05.860 physical cell you're that's just ridiculous the entirety of the multiplicity creates the whole of

03:08:12.980 who you are and one of them is nationality now nations in conventional senses may change

03:08:21.380 governments are not nations there might be people who are not happy with the way their government

03:08:27.300 is going but they are proud of the culture and the lineage of their of their people their nation

03:08:35.460 and it all boils down to natal you know being of a nation is to be being born of it's natalism of

03:08:44.020 the land um and we see people trying to rob other people of that and uh we don't agree with that

03:08:53.380 we don't agree with um uh here's a perfect example i'm starting to see now on the internet

03:09:01.220 the wide and wild west internet um there are african descent or black americans who are

03:09:10.020 trying to say they were the original native americans of north america south america and

03:09:16.740 that the native americans that as we know them today were interlopers or some sort to me i i

03:09:22.740 don't agree with that i think that's a very not that is not a good thing to do just as much as

03:09:28.500 uh you can see them there was a swedish uh documentary where uh this the original swedes

03:09:35.940 and they all looked ethiopian they were like ethiopian people living in sweden and hunting

03:09:41.620 and stuff i think that that is an egregious move to separate people from the land that they

03:09:47.620 that has has shaped them um and i see it elsewhere with people who aren't even

03:09:54.660 my people so yeah i really think that uh there is a a a component or a layer of nationality

03:10:04.740 that is important simply because we take so much pride and conviction in understanding

03:10:14.660 the building blocks that make us as people and our faith celebrates it our faith does not say that

03:10:21.460 you are not a member that you're you know you're doesn't matter what nation you are it doesn't

03:10:26.500 matter what king you follow um we don't have this universal we don't have this one overarching uh

03:10:36.260 uh government above governments king above kings uh religion above culture um and that is again a

03:10:47.420 middle of the middle east has produced a lot of that thought and even though they say that they 0.73

03:10:53.340 lie because you go to korea and you find korean jesus you go to jesus whoa he is swole i like to

03:11:03.060 bring it up because it's just so funny but you go to japan you find japanese jesus and uh you go to 0.84

03:11:10.080 mississippi and you go into into a black american's house you're gonna find black jesus all right so 0.51

03:11:16.420 yeah on the side when i first got into australia there's a skinhead friend of mine that knew this 0.53

03:11:23.800 other skinhead dude that his whole hobby unironically was collecting like velvet paintings

03:11:32.920 of black jesus okay and the prize ones to get were as was described to me the black jesus with

03:11:43.720 the al sharpton hair like the flowy like relaxed yeah yeah i know about relaxing the ethnic hairs

03:11:53.800 says he doesn't but i'm trying to get him to branch out he wants me to open up my repertoire

03:11:59.720 i want him to to learn how to do the jerry curl with the activator soul glow um keeping it juicy

03:12:08.600 realistically

03:12:11.720 national identity does not matter to the ass true folk assembly and i say that in a neutral way not

03:12:17.800 Not in a pejorative, but we've got AFA members in, I think at present, 13 different nations.

03:12:34.340 Nationalism is awesome in its best iteration.

03:12:40.200 Pride in yourself and your people and where you come from.

03:12:43.740 and we need to be honest about what we mean when we say that nation used to mean people with the

03:12:51.420 same origin, the same, you know, people from the same belly button, from the same

03:12:57.540 extended family of the same race and the same people. It doesn't mean that anymore. I wish it

03:13:07.320 did, and it does someplace, but for a lot of people in the West, it doesn't mean that anymore.

03:13:11.820 A lot of the time, we just kind of all live in a country, and we find ourselves where we are, and the system we're in may very well not.

03:13:25.380 See, that's a definition and not an etymology, and it changes over time.

03:13:30.080 It talks about common descent, but before it was exclusive to that.

03:13:34.940 um so what i was going to say is yes the concept of that and in different times in different places

03:13:43.220 you can celebrate that more or less if you are a person who founds it finds yourself in a country

03:13:49.740 that represents you and your people and your heritage and where you're from and the things

03:13:54.880 you hold dear um i think that's a really cool thing and a really special thing and something

03:14:00.860 to be celebrated but again we have members from a lot of different places our allegiance to the

03:14:07.440 iser is is what's paramount in the house true folk assembly i say that we recognize people who

03:14:14.820 are very proud of you know proudly nationalistic for the country they live in and for people that

03:14:20.640 aren't what's binding us together as the house true folk assembly is our shared allegiance to

03:14:28.160 I see her. We also spoke about that a couple of shows back about the folk and how the folk have

03:14:39.920 moved and migrated over vast expanses of the world seeking that horizon. I think that's a

03:14:48.100 beautiful thing about our people. And I see, you know, in the comments, Antonio Pietrabone,

03:14:54.680 um you know i'm from argentina and uh you know i i'm white and i'm proud of my ancestors

03:15:01.080 um there are folk everywhere and that's one thing i would say we have to get out of is

03:15:09.940 if there's a folk person from a place that we conceive is not having folk in it um that

03:15:20.340 that doesn't disqualify them. I met a young man who is half Pakistani, but he has pale skin,

03:15:34.740 freckles, and red hair. And it's because of where his mother's ancestors come from.

03:15:41.480 And they're in the northwestern part of the mountainous regions there.

03:15:48.100 And I would never know that by the stereotypical. 1.00

03:15:53.320 So it's like, I think we need to get away from, if they're not Germanic. 0.99

03:16:00.500 And I mean, we can clearly see that with certain cases. 1.00

03:16:02.940 Like if you look at the Russians or the Ukrainians, decades ago, people would say, 1.00

03:16:08.960 oh you know those are hunnish you know asianic uh invaders but now you clearly see a lot of 0.99

03:16:15.920 them are folk it's the same with the fins it's same with south america it's it's um 1.00

03:16:23.120 the avoidance of purity spiraling especially when the blood and the physicality don't lie

03:16:30.400 if they look like us when we see them we identify with them they identify with us 0.92

03:16:35.360 us but they're Argentinian that's that doesn't that's dumb don't why would don't think that way 0.83

03:16:47.360 no what's important for the Astro folk assembly is our our folk are our nation

03:16:56.480 and that's what we celebrate that's what we unite behind that's what we rally behind

03:17:02.480 and that's what is very important to our future and to the future we're trying to build.

03:17:13.380 Yeah, we live in a different time, and I think the answers to the questions and the outlook is

03:17:19.160 really different depending on when and where you live, but that's the kind of honest assessment

03:17:25.220 of where we're at, but I appreciate you guys so much for joining us tonight. I appreciate all of

03:17:30.580 your questions as usual. And I appreciate you joining us, Svan, and reading the lore and

03:17:39.300 imparting your wisdom to all of us. Thank you so much. Thanks. Nick, thank you for all that you do.

03:17:51.980 Next week, assuming we can, there's a new baby on his end involved, but the plan is to give you the

03:17:59.320 episode we meant to bring you the second week of last month where uh folk builder chris savage

03:18:05.720 and i talked to you about the noble gothic resistance to the the encroaching christianity

03:18:15.320 so uh look forward to having that discussion with you guys next week till then hail the

03:18:21.080 I seer, hail the folk, hail the AFA, and remember, victory never sleeps.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - July 03, 2025

7⧸2⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 156 - Grípisspá

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