00:13:01.540And it's really easy for folks to replicate.
00:13:06.900You can, and it's more complicated than what I'm giving,
00:13:11.020but on the basic level, if you had two sentences,
00:13:17.020the first sentence is going to be divided by a comma.
00:13:22.720and the heavy pronounced letter in the first sentence has to be done twice,
00:13:32.900one before the comma and one after the comma.
00:13:36.520And the funny part about it is a lot of times you don't know what that sound is
00:13:43.420till you get to the second sentence, which has to start with that.
00:13:48.780So if there was a point to say the great god Tyr judges the tides of war till the end of man's time comes.
00:14:10.340So the letter T becomes the alliterative anchor point.
00:14:16.840And it doesn't sound as clear in modern English, but it is pretty close.
00:14:25.720So I would definitely look, if you are interested in poetics or in changing your prayer forms to add some of that, perhaps for larger ceremonies or what have you,
00:14:39.820You could absolutely look up old Norse poetry and you could look up for me this log style.
00:14:50.880I don't know if you could pop that up there on the screen, but old Norse poetry is where you will find it if you're looking up on like Wikipedia.
00:15:06.580you. But yeah, so that's one of the interesting things about this. It's so structured. It's so
00:15:14.000well put together that it's believed that it is a younger poem. And it is brief. It's not as long
00:15:27.620as the ones we've been covering, but it does give a lot of historical referencing, which lends to
00:15:36.500perhaps more an understanding of the past, especially with Attila, and that even though
00:15:47.100this was perhaps written in the 11th or 12th century, this is still speaking about
00:15:54.080events that happened. And it brings in the Burgundians with King Gundacarus,
00:16:09.080or I think is how he's written in Latin, and how they were almost completely annihilated by the
00:16:17.540puns, and there's a lot of interesting stuff historically and also spiritually. Every single
00:16:24.980one of these poems, we always get a glimpse into the theological of our ancestors, which is why
00:16:34.100it's so important to read them. All right. Over in the chat, just watching a couple of things.
00:16:47.540Our folk builder in New Hampshire, Ron Boardman, was wondering or suggesting that now we need to do the Niblungenlied.
00:19:29.000Says, a couple episodes behind, but hail the gods,
00:19:31.860hail the folk, hail the AFA, and hail to you, Gabriel. Thank you very much for your donation.
00:19:36.340We appreciate it. All right, Svon, take us into the poem, if you will.
00:19:44.040Oh, I did want to say, too, there's characters and points that we've already covered with
00:19:50.120Sigur and Helgi and Sinfjolti and Brynhild, but there are also differences,
00:20:00.440And one of the big ones that I wanted to bring up is the divine connection to Lord Odin as a being descendants of Lord Odin.
00:20:14.640And so royalty and kingship evolved over time.
00:20:23.080The connectivity to the divine has always been a considering point.
00:20:33.260I think it was originally that we are descended as a people and then there became specific royal houses that were descended from Lord Odin or from Lord Freyr or I don't know actually if there's any that have said that they were descended from Lord Thor.
00:20:56.300But that would also kind of lend to the overarching sense of his troth and loyalty to Sif.
00:21:07.280And again, in stories, that's continually emphasized.
00:21:14.940But I think it's really interesting. And it would also explain in the older poem why Lord Othyn shows up to the banquet, to the wedding in the first place, because that's not really emphasized other than you're left to the imagination.
00:21:33.240Maybe he's perhaps he's inserting sword into fate in order to create all of these moments in which he can analyze the souls of warriors and men so that he can choose them.
00:21:52.400But in this case, there's a direct link made that wasn't really made before.
00:21:59.980So yeah, a lot of people might not know this.
00:22:03.640There's many different stories of Hercules, and there are many endings to the story of Hercules.
00:22:10.440And this was common for there to be kind of more of a network of stories, not just one singular one.
00:22:18.040And it's very much the same amongst the Germanic folk.
00:22:21.980so you will see these common names spoken of but there will be variations and little things
00:22:30.320and i would even argue that there was probably more of them before they were written down they
00:22:35.480just didn't make it to iceland so absolutely it's important to
00:22:41.700different people want to realize this for different reasons
00:22:49.760but I think it is worth keeping in mind that
00:22:57.480there's no reason to believe there's no assumption is fact there's reason to believe
00:23:07.660to the contrary, that this is all the lore there was, is the stuff that's made it down to us.
00:23:15.100I think one of the tragedies with history that we need to be aware of and not repeat is so much
00:23:22.920gets lost if it's not recorded, if it's not copied, if it's not distributed, and if it's
00:23:28.980not safeguarded. But reading a wide swath of our lore, even
00:23:37.680when it's not about the gods in the most, you know, essential
00:23:44.740sense, teaches us a lot about how Ausatru was practiced in our
00:23:52.820ancestors day. And it's very informative to read all the rest
00:23:58.020our lore our lore synergizes in a really cool way when i first started reading the lore
00:24:05.060sometimes it was overwhelming different pieces because i just i didn't have the context
00:24:09.940or i wasn't familiar with the same things that you know they'd constantly be referencing and
00:24:14.820whatever so if that's you don't be dismayed the more pieces of lore you read the more stuff begins
00:24:22.740to make much more sense and build upon itself the more you'll see you know different things
00:24:29.380reference things you're already familiar with through your other reading so wherever you start
00:24:35.100in it the more that you read the richer and deeper your understanding of the Lord gets
00:24:40.440just like doing this the Volsunga saga is not the entirety of the information possibly available
00:24:48.100throughout all of Western Europe of this really seminal story.
00:24:54.460It's the stuff that the chronicler in, excuse me, in Iceland at the time was able to gather
00:25:55.960Veloosbow.org. That's where Swan and I have been getting
00:26:01.880all but, because we're silly and didn't look carefully, all but Eosaga from,
00:26:09.400but even that was on there. Now, when we get done with both of the Eddas, I think we may run out of
00:26:15.400material on there, and we'll have to go to a different source, but the lospau.org is an
00:26:20.420awesome source. It's got the side-by-side with the Old Norse, which is really helpful, really cool,
00:26:26.060and that's where we're reading from directly, but as always, use whatever translation you have.
00:26:31.140there might be interesting variances that lead to some discussion, but that's where we're at this
00:26:37.620evening. Of note, I just checked. I'm actually correct. They spelt it without that I.
00:26:44.820All right. So the good folks at Volusbauer.org misspelled their link. That's on them, not on
00:26:49.460producer Nick, but there you go. With that, Svon, will you take us into the text? Absolutely.
00:27:02.020Okay, so we start first with Sigurd's father.
00:27:10.700Sigmundr, son of Volsung, was king in Frankland.
00:27:20.140Sinfjolti was his eldest son, the second Helgi, and the third Haumundr.
00:27:30.400Borkhildr, Sigmund's queen, had a brother who was called...
00:27:36.280and see okay this is the part where we have there is a break in the poem because of most likely
00:27:46.520damage um so it it it doesn't state and um there is let me see there's extend extensive stuff here
00:27:58.700at the bottom. I wonder, um, if there's any mention of it. Um, hmm. No. Well, okay. So there,
00:28:19.380is a break there, and then it shifts to the next sentence. But Sinfjolte, her stepson, and
00:28:28.900more damage, both sought the hand of the same woman, and therefore he sought the death of
00:28:39.840Sinfiolti. So it's worth remembering from the old story that Sinfiolti fell in love with a woman
00:28:49.860who had a rival suitor. And in doing so, in that story, he was not chosen. He did not win out in
00:29:03.800that. And then he went and fought wars in the East, in Finnmark and Lithuania and so on and so
00:29:11.960forth. Um, again, because he was built for war. Um, but the other part of that is in that story,
00:29:23.960that's sigurd's sister's son so here we have him jumping up a generation
00:29:33.760so we're gonna have to we're gonna be working through a lot of um uh familial jumping or just
00:29:42.260historical jumping and you gotta bear with it so um
00:29:51.460so here we see uh but when he came home borghilder who is the queen of sigmund
00:30:02.180told him to go away but sigmund offered him where guild and she was going to receive it
00:30:12.260But at the funeral feast, Borghildr bore the ale.
00:30:16.700She took a great deal of poison, a hornful, and presented it to Sinfjolti.
00:30:24.120So here we have Sinfjolti is vying for a woman, and so is Borghildr's, I believe, brother,
00:30:40.520is also going for the same woman. And in this case here, she ends up attempting to poison
00:30:49.160Sinfield, her stepson, in order to kind of remove him. Now, there's a lot of reasons why this could
00:30:58.500be done. It could be looked at as starting out the story with intrigue and plot. The other is,
00:31:09.660is that it could also kind of reflect a certain sense that marriage and children
00:31:18.920from previous marriages may not have been viewed at the time as so deeply kin
00:31:27.700that slaying them or being involved in that would be a kinslayer
00:31:34.220or she's just that nefarious that that doesn't even matter.
00:31:39.660But it's worth noting at the time, especially with sea travel, that our ancestors, when they went abroad, went overseas, a lot of them did not come back.
00:31:51.640And that doesn't mean that everything stops at home.
00:31:54.720things change. And a great amount of the reason why the Nordic ancestors enacted it so much in
00:32:07.080raiding was because a lot of that went to the first son of the house or the first daughter.
00:32:14.980if she got married, then that was brought into the marriage. So this kind of follows along with just
00:32:25.220how things were at that time. But it is, again, very, very interesting. And she presents him
00:32:32.580with a horn full of poison. But when he looked into the horn, he discerned that it was poisoned
00:33:02.680that no poison could harm him inside or outside
00:33:06.160and all his sons could withstand poison outside
00:33:10.580on their flesh. So another good point about this is this is a common trope in the warrior
00:33:20.880culture is this, someone is poisoning your horn. I don't think that the case of that happening is
00:33:28.640actually really high. A lot of the poisonous plants in the Northern regions are not as
00:33:36.400terrible as say uh hemlock of the mediterranean but it was absolutely to
00:33:45.120set a mood about um this and it's again referencing to poison outside the body so
00:33:54.560poisoned blades um our knowledge on this is really really limited um but looking at
00:34:02.980horticulture and looking at plant life in the Nordic regions. I don't know if this is again,
00:34:12.840just more of a story point, less of a true reflection of reality.
00:34:19.900So something to consider is this doesn't go, this doesn't take place far to the north in
00:34:27.440Scandinavia. Part of it takes place in, but a great deal of it takes place in continental Europe,
00:34:36.380in Eastern Europe. And another thing is it emphasizes the, you know, the treachery of women.
00:34:47.940And that's one of the things is this, you know, this woman wants to do the, because you, okay.
00:34:58.080So you see through the, in the Volsunga saga and throughout this, if you're familiar, there's a, there's an intense loyalty to like your house, your ancestors and your offspring.
00:35:18.800Even if you find yourself in a blended family or you find yourself married to a particular king, you're still vying for the prominence of your family in that kingdom.
00:35:30.140So you want to make sure that your offspring or your kin get the good stuff and not, you know, your husband, the king's kin or children that he's had by another woman or, you know, other family that is family but not as close of family.
00:35:50.860There's all these palace intrigues, and you see women often through greed or jealousy or other conniving to go about these things with treacherous things.
00:36:07.980And there's, you know, a few things more treacherous than offering someone a horn and having filled that horn with poison.
00:36:15.500but it's strange here because that would probably you know the upside of that is outside of the epic
00:36:25.180poetry thing it's not like they get a forensic team in there oftentimes one may not know what
00:36:33.460happened poison sometime or slow acting I didn't do I didn't do nothing um and it's one of the
00:36:41.160things to where you could potentially pull that off without it being directly linked to you
00:36:47.180but we live in the times of you know the the heroic age where these people have a degree
00:36:58.420of supernatural insight they have that higher level of knowledge we talked about that a little
00:37:03.940bit on the self-actualization described in the uh uh rigstula when you you know when you when
00:37:14.360you're fully actualized the the art of nobility the art of kings is this heightened awareness
00:37:23.300of these things you start learning the runes you start learning the speech of birds you start
00:37:28.040learning how to look into the horn and discern that there's poison in it whereas a normal person
00:37:34.200that wasn't you know a heroic saga character would likely not be able to tell there was poison in it
00:37:39.960until it was very much too late or then you have folks uh like sigmund who's you know just so
00:37:49.320awesome that he's immune to these things because he's of such a stout uh countenance and also in
00:37:55.000poem because he's the descendant of odin um so he gets he gets a certain magical aura when it comes
00:38:04.600to his his predisposition this toughness it's also an interesting thing to note medieval kings
00:38:12.040were sometimes in the habit if they lived in a court environment where poison was a thing to
00:38:18.520micro dose over the span of a long time to where they developed an immunity to certain poisons.
00:38:26.840It's not necessarily alluded to here. It's just interesting historical point that I'm aware of
00:38:31.960when I'm thinking about it. That's kind of, you know, something interesting. And before I get off
00:38:38.440my soapbox, Ron Boardman, again, our folk builder in New Hampshire bought us five coffees. It's a
00:38:52.680Well, so there's some little interesting things, too, that, I mean, we're going to see here in the translation and so on.
00:39:05.440For instance, like when he says, ouch, the drink is poisoned.
00:39:09.420the word ouch is not what it instead it's it's almost like utilizing the english word or like
00:39:21.040and i mean from the uk like boy or for us hey but the the word is is is i like i this is poisoned
00:39:32.080so you're gonna see a little bit of that too and we're gonna discuss another thing up here soon
00:39:37.960That's kind of the translation is quite it's more literal than or kind of slightly off the mark.
00:39:51.720So we have to be careful about those as well. And that happens with almost every translation.
00:39:57.000Any person who translates our poems might bridge gaps for poetics and leave linguistics behind or do the other way, where linguistic is more important, but the overarching spiritual nature of the poem is kind of left to the wayside.
00:40:19.720So, it's mentioned that Sigmundur can resist prison from internal and external on blades and such.
00:40:35.240So, Borghildur brings a second horn to Sinfjolte and told him to drink.
00:40:48.240so this is poisoned she brought it to me second you know uh horn and because my dad
00:40:59.200is like drink it so this is pretty hardcore um and then the third time she brought him the horn
00:41:10.240plus scolding words if he did not drink it up but he spoke to sigmund as before
00:41:18.400and sigmund said let your beard sift it son well one of the things that's worth
00:41:26.000noting here is uh in the in the old norse it says hansali lauto gron gron is your mustache
00:41:35.840is your upper lip so he's it's not your he's not saying like you fold up your beard and
00:41:45.360or put it in front of the horn that would be absurd right and i mean that might throw things
00:41:52.480off but yeah no it's it's if people are reading this they're like wait a minute what is what
00:41:57.520well it's yeah he's saying let your your mustache sift it and most likely this is spoken in a
00:42:05.840just in a jesting sense. And I can kind of see it that they're also probably thinking that
00:42:18.040sin fealty is being paranoid. And, you know, there's this kind of this jesting of the festivities
00:42:26.320where it's like, no, you know, you just got to let your mustache sift it out.
00:42:31.520it's something to keep in mind too when we get points of fact in the story it doesn't mean those
00:42:37.280points of fact were known by the people in the room it's also quite possible to conceive that
00:42:45.760sigmund just can't taste the poison because he's immune so he's like okay i'm gonna have
00:42:51.920to drink all three of your horns because you're so scared of this really how about you how about
00:42:56.480you sack up and be a man and let your right you know let your mustache sift it and uh call it good
00:43:05.760well and on on top of this this is one of the most distinct um
00:43:15.280differences between so another thing is is that people hearing this unless they had heard
00:43:23.040um a scald recite the full poem of the volsunga saga which is very rare a lot of this um
00:43:36.400is probably new or in in bits and pieces and the scald would know that sometimes so the idea was
00:43:44.480okay i'm going to remove this character and continue on with the story because i want to focus
00:43:52.640on uh we're belaboring this a lot and we will get back we'll make progress to this tonight um but
00:44:02.080something important to remember that is sad about us today is we don't have a robust
00:44:11.360culture that's unified like our ancestors did when i say our ancestors i don't mean
00:44:18.240the viking age ancestors of this story or previous i mean like our grandparents and beyond
00:44:26.340you had cultural things that you knew these characters from your history or your nation
00:44:33.480or culture's high mythology and up till a couple of generations ago you had that albeit albeit a
00:44:41.200biblical reference you didn't have to recount the entire story of jesus's life or the entire story
00:44:49.560of moses you could add a whim when moses was with pharaoh this thing happened and you would know
00:44:56.640exactly what they were talking about exactly what point in his story arc this took place in and you
00:45:02.700could do these little asides and these little these little pieces without the full background
00:45:06.960story because everybody knew you know in a country you could talk about you know when george
00:45:13.680washington was you know when the when his men were camped at valley forge this thing happened
00:45:20.160everyone wouldn't need to know well who's george washington well what was the nature
00:45:25.200you don't need to know that because it's ingrained culturally at this time this story is so
00:45:30.640uh seminal to the understanding of certainly the nobility in the royal courts in uh in western
00:45:41.360europe eastern europe northern europe that you just kind of oh okay i i remember this
00:45:48.720and you didn't have to get necessarily all the background pieces
00:45:51.440yeah and um like the subtle difference between go they go to frankaland and they're proclaimed
00:46:03.400kings of in in frankaland and then in the uh previous they were proclaimed kings in
00:46:12.580Hunnaland, or Land of the Huns, which would be Eastern Europe, Poland, Ukraine area.
00:46:22.200And it really, too, was about their prowess.
00:46:31.620The Franks were very much a powerful tribe, had a lot of renowned built around them, same as the Huns.
00:46:44.280So, again, having the heroes become kings in those lands is huge.
00:46:52.540But, you know, there's slight differences there.
00:46:55.780And in this case, part of it is speculated that the first horn that is given doesn't actually have poison in it.
00:47:08.680And that Sinfielty is just being paranoid because, and they don't state it in the poem, but Sinfielty slays Borkhild's brother in the courtship.
00:47:22.480Well, and that's why they talk about the wereguild.
00:47:48.240And it's the third one that actually contains poison.
00:47:52.480Um, and that's where we, Sinfjolti drinks and dies from it.
00:48:00.580Sigmundr carries him in his arms a long way and came to a long narrow fjord.
00:48:08.700There was a small ship with a man in it.
00:48:13.420The man tells Sigmundr to, uh, to cross the,
00:48:18.720But when Sigmundr carried the body out onto the ship, then the vessel was full.
00:48:26.540The fellow said that Sigmund should go inside the fjord or go deeper and back to the land.
00:48:33.120And the fellow quickly took the ship out and away.
00:48:37.920So here's, he lays the body of his son on the boat and there's no more room for him.
00:48:47.680And they don't state why he's doing this or where they're going, but that's actually not important because of what it really is.
00:48:57.780And this is where we're getting into the theology of it.
00:49:03.320This man, the ferryman who takes the soul, is not just a ferryman.
00:49:13.320He is clearly a reference to Lord Oven, the one who carries souls for some people.
00:49:24.040And I know a lot of people might have actually heard of this term, but the psychopomp, the transfer of the souls.
00:49:33.160And a lot of people utilize that with that connection to Mercury or Hermes when Tacitus was living or writing about the Germanics.
00:49:48.380And he said that they that the Germanic people worship Tacitus.
00:49:52.940So we see this difference between there is gods of war, gods of victory.
00:50:00.420There are gods that give victory and power to the nation, but more significantly, the warrior is concerned with the one who has the ability to transfer and elevate his soul.
00:50:15.560And so high focus is given to Lord Odin, the one who is building the army in heaven of powerful souls.
00:50:26.160and it's just interesting because this is outside of say Haurbar where he is a ferryman
00:50:36.360and he is talking to Lord Thor but the imagery is still there and it doesn't leave and it crosses
00:50:44.460is over we see this of course with um uh the stygian ferryman um his name is eluding me right
00:50:54.840now in uh the greco roman or hellenic um stories the idea of the ferryman carrying over the soul
00:51:06.640through a threshold and water being a symbolic threshold between worlds um he takes and says
00:51:17.060you should go up into back onto land and then he quickly goes across and in essence disappears
00:51:27.220And I find that very interesting because a lot of folks generally look at Lord Odin as strictly in a point of stasis, and he has the Valkyrie as his dynamic and willful and acting tendrils into fate.
00:51:52.220fate. But in this case, and in quite a few, there is a, there's the mentioning of him
00:51:58.860being over the water. And I think that this symbology was probably not understood by everyone
00:52:08.060in the audience, but was perhaps deliberately placed with intent to overarch that, that
00:53:17.600time, and I think there's a little bit of confusion when people read some of the sagas,
00:53:22.960it wasn't, in the Viking Age, taking multiple wives wasn't really a thing of kings, but in the
00:53:34.640Volkvandrum of the migration era, that was very much something that kings did from time to time
00:53:44.400to cement alliances and to propagate the the breeding of royal houses so like for example
00:53:53.200you know attila notoriously had lots of wives from different nations that he had subjugated
00:53:59.680or needed to have a political alliance with so it wasn't the common practice of our ancestors but it
00:54:06.720was something from time to time that a king of like a nation would do to cement alliance
00:54:14.400Yeah. And I'm reemphasizing again from our old show. I think a lot of folks, you know, is Attila Asiatic? And we were talking about how Attila is not Genghis Khan, that Attila was most likely of like a Western Asiatic slash what would eventually be, you know, Russia and that like of the Scythian Persian.
00:54:43.040it's it's real hard to say because contemporaries describe him as being this like swarthy
00:54:49.920right old guy from the plains but the contemporaries that describe him like that
00:54:56.320he was you know their enemy and viewed in a you know he was transformed into
00:55:02.800almost a demon from hell sent to to exact god's vengeance he was known as the scourge of god
00:55:13.040So they made him seem awful other. And again, all of our saga writers talk about him like he is, you know, just another European great king of renown.
00:55:23.980Right. And, you know, on top of this, there's there was a lot of that during the Romantic period to paint as some, you know, deeply foreign Easterner, especially when it came to the Russians who are descended or at least the Western Russians are descended from Swedes and that fit.
00:55:52.340But then it continued on to apply to the Ukrainians, to the Polish, to the Lithuanians and Latvians.
00:56:13.340If you're some primitive other from the East, you are the Hun.
00:56:18.960so i really think that a lot of people do need to kind of step back from that a little bit
00:56:25.740i think that's still has residual effect but um yeah so uh
00:56:33.520he goes down into franklin from denmark and there he marries here this we know from the other story
00:56:43.780And they have a son, Sigurd, and King Sigmund fell in battle fighting the sons of Hunding.
00:56:55.120And we talked about this as well with Hundingsbana and with the Volsunga saga.
00:57:02.880So at that point, Hjordis marries Aulver, son of King Hjallprek. Sigurdir spent his childhood there. And that's where he learns from Reyyn. He learns the story of the treasure of Favnir, the dragon.
00:57:30.600And there's going to be an interesting thing that I like in this story about the treasure in relation to the divine that's different elsewhere.
00:57:40.520So Sigurd is now living with his stepfather, Alvir, his mother, and Alvir are in Frankland, and he's growing up towards the destiny of carrying the blade that was passed on.
00:58:01.320um he spent his childhood there sigmund and all of his sons were far above all other men
00:58:10.400in strength stature intelligence and all accomplishments well-rounded strong and
00:58:19.040intelligent um deeply uh poetic but also brutal and these were again key factors it was never just
00:58:29.380the whole trope of strong but dumb and i think that a lot of people fall into that too often
00:58:35.740nowadays and um uh i mean one that's not really viable um i see it a lot with like marines they0.75
00:58:45.520think that marines are all dumb or something like that but like every marine i ever met while i was
00:58:50.560in during the infantry they were very smart folks that had a chip on their shoulder but you could0.97
00:58:58.260find them of all manners of talent um but again we just kind of get into that for jokes and um
00:59:07.060here no it's washed away if you're truly to be a hero you're super well-rounded um
00:59:16.020however sigurd was the greatest of all of sigmund's sons and in the old tales all men
00:59:25.540call him the greatest of all men and the noblest of kings. So that again, too, is reestablishing
00:59:32.040the accolades that every man listening to the poem would want to be foisted on him. I want to
00:59:43.080be known as the noblest of all my brothers. I want to be known as the strongest or the best of all of
00:59:48.800my father's children. And this, I think, really glimpses us all the way back to Proto-Indo-European
00:59:58.160tribal dynamics and what sons wanted. So, Greper was the name of Ailemi's son,
01:00:14.020the brother of Hjordes. Hjordes is Sigurd's mother. So this is his uncle, again, another
01:00:23.020early Aryan, pan-German, or proto-Indo-European connection. Just like Lord Odin with his uncle
01:00:33.240Mimir, now we see another establishment. And remember, this is the younger poem, so
01:00:40.160these elements being brought in are tail end poems still have them greatly re-emphasized.
01:00:49.560So Grippir is the name of Hjordis's brother. He ruled over lands and was of all men the wisest
01:01:00.000and most forward seeing. Sigurd once was riding alone and came to Grippir's hall.
01:01:22.880This is another thing that people might be noticing.
01:01:25.220So now we have kind of a mirroring with Mimir and Lord Odin.
01:01:31.880We also see this when Lord Freyr sends Skirner, and when Skirner approaches GerĂ°ur, the hall of GerĂ°ur, outside is a herdsman.
01:01:46.580There's always kind of a gate warden. It influenced Christianity.
01:01:52.860This concept of a guardian of the gate is so mythologically important that eventually they do the whole St. Peter is standing at the end of their gate.
01:02:10.420thresholds are guarded and that it seems in the stories that the gods don't move
01:02:19.400just willy-nilly between places except for Lord Odin. Lord Odin does that, but he does it not
01:02:29.060so much out of dominion as he does it is the rules don't apply. He has the ability to kind of
01:02:36.580circumvent the laws that are. And in this case here, he's doing it in a physical sense. He meets
01:02:46.640this guard or gate warden. Then Sigurd questioned him and asked, who is it has this dwelling here
01:03:02.940Or what do men call the people's king?
01:03:06.260Now we're entering into the Fornideslag poetic style.
01:03:14.020Gripper, the name of the chieftain good, who holds the folk and firm ruled land.
01:06:20.060Then of many things they talked, and when thus the men so wise had met, Sigurd spoke to me, if thou knowest, my mother's brother, say, what life will Sigurd be?
01:06:41.000and gripper speaks of men thou shalt be on earth the mightiest and higher famed than all the heroes
01:06:54.240free of gold giving slow to flee noble to see or to look upon and a sage in your speech
01:07:04.200So you will give much gold. You will be open handed to your friends. You will never retreat from a fight. You will be noble to look upon and hold yourself with a sense of high esteem and you will speak wisely.
01:14:52.960The rarity and just the difference is certainly very interesting and compelling.
01:14:58.640Well, and you don't see so much a deep connection where, like, say, amongst the Gauls,
01:15:06.000They had linkings to the idea that certain children were stolen by the Fae or the Seelie and replaced, and that's kind of how that comes about.
01:15:19.200Amongst the Germanics, there isn't a clear connection that the Dvergar and dwarf children of human peoples, there's no clear kind of connection.
01:15:40.240I think that's a really tragic thing. And I don't like legitimately, if we have little people that
01:15:46.340are listening to this program, you guys are really interesting. I'm not trying to be a jerk.0.97
01:15:52.320But that was kind of a, if you didn't know, and you didn't know medically, can you imagine how0.95
01:15:58.680odd that would be if you and your wife conceived this child that was as they grew up and developed,
01:16:06.100you know seemed so very other and like something completely different from every other person you've
01:16:13.640probably ever seen in your life I can easily see why that would give cause for some wondering what
01:16:21.840was going on there yeah and it's it I I just find it interesting that I can't really find any
01:16:30.580connections where the Germanics said, no, these Svartalver or these Dvergar stole children or
01:16:40.900what have you. It just kind of sort of happened as the stories went along. But it's interesting
01:16:47.660because when you have the mainstay of a group and then there is consistently the side or the wing
01:16:57.920person who is of, um, what was that guy's name in labyrinth?
01:17:06.000Uh, hoggle. All right. Thank you. I'm glad that you knew that without further explanation.
01:17:12.800Yeah. And then the funny joke is, is that he, uh, everyone says his name
01:17:17.760wrong the entire time, Hogwarts and, and what have you. Um, but again, yeah, the idea is that
01:17:26.400there is this uh person or entity or being that might not even be human they might be fairy or
01:17:36.960what's that nothing i'm responding to the chat on the screen oh yeah yeah the babe with the power
01:17:43.600what power um well and i think we see this too there was i can't remember exactly who it was
01:17:51.360but someone was talking about how the hollywood trope of say the like in the last samurai we have
01:18:01.840a folk man and he has his japanese friend um as a kind of key or gateway or guide
01:23:00.460and then gripper says on the rocks there sleeps the ruler's daughter fair in armor since helgi
01:23:13.260fell now shall shall cut with keen edged sword and cleave the bernie with fafner's killer
01:23:23.780So now we're speaking about Brynhild. He will go forth and he will cut her loose from the chain mail suit that is keeping her in a slumber.
01:24:08.320It would almost be very similar to people that I don't know, a lot of folks might not remember, but a lot of folks might.
01:24:16.820But there was always kind of like when you were watching a series on television and they would do an episode that cut back to other episodes.
01:24:30.140And I think a lot of this may have been done simply to give people an overarching understanding of the story, because they may not have had the joy of actually sitting and hearing the entirety of it spoken.
01:24:49.220So this kind of, this poem, I think, has that function.
01:24:55.680So he says, after she wakes, what does she say?
01:24:58.900and gripper says rules to the warrior will she tell all that men may ever seek and teach thee
01:25:08.840to speak in all men's tongues and life with health thou happy king
01:25:16.860sigurd then speaks now is it ended the knowledge is won and ready am i forth hence to ride
01:25:28.240forward look and further tell what what the life that i shall lead so and a a lot of people might
01:25:37.540be noticing he just is continually saying what kind of life will i lead what kind of life will
01:25:42.600i lead but more or less what it's really translating to is what else lays in the pathway
01:25:50.920of my life it would be kind of a better way to look at it is like that um and gripper states
01:25:59.560then to hamir's home thou comest and glad shall be the guest of the king
01:26:06.280ended sigurd is all i see no further opt of gripper ask
01:26:13.480Sigur speaks sorrow it brings me the word thou sayest for monarch forward further thou seest
01:26:26.120sad the grief for Sigur now knowest yet not to me gripper known will make
01:26:34.040so he's lamenting as gripper says speak no more
01:26:42.320and it saddens him that he doesn't get a chance to speak
01:30:28.080No scorn I know for the noble king, but counsel good from gripper I seek.
01:30:36.100Well will I know, though evil awaits, what Sigur may before him see.
01:30:42.140So he's, I'm not going to hold you accountable for what the things you've seen and the prophecy you are laying before me.
01:30:51.260I could never foster that towards you.
01:30:54.960Um, what, uh, again, what ill, um, ill will or wilt, uh, wilt, uh, wiltki, wiltki, I think is what the translation here, uh, in relation to, like, evil or doom.
01:31:18.740um gripper says a maid in hymir's home there dwells brynhild's her name to men is known
01:31:31.080daughter of buzli the doughty king and hymir fosters the fearless maid so this is a part two
01:31:41.180where the valkyrie that is mentioned earlier in this poem it doesn't deliberately connect them
01:31:52.380and that Brynhild is or could be interpreted as a separate woman but clearly we see it in
01:32:01.260the other story where she is both a valkyrie and the daughter of a king
01:32:37.500your words and gripper says of many a joy the maiden robs thee fair to see whom hymir fosters
01:32:46.860sleep thou shalt find not feuds thou shall end not nor seek out men if the maid thou seest not
01:32:59.260for she is going to be your doom she is going to and adding in the other story
01:33:05.900she prophesies the end she does it reluctantly at first and doesn't want to proceed with him
01:33:12.780but she's in love with him and then when he unknowingly is convinced to marry another it
01:33:20.140breaks her heart and she turns immediately into an antagonistic force um sigur spoke
01:33:28.860So what may be had for Sigurd's healing? Say now, Gripper, if see thou canst, if you can see, may I buy the maid with the marriage price, the daughter fair of the chieftain famed?
01:33:46.820can i can i meet the dowry of this uh noble woman and he says this even after gripper says
01:33:57.700when you meet her this is going to mark the end the feuds you get into will will be left
01:34:06.460unsettled there will be no men to follow you um and your end will will be because of her
01:34:15.440And he says, but still, will I be able to pay the dowry of this princess and wed her?
01:34:38.760One night, when Gyuki's guest thou hast been, will Heimer's fosterling fade from her mind.
01:34:47.480So right there he's telling, you're going to make a bonded oath with her, and it will fall into pieces.
01:34:57.400And that in the same, you know, spans of time that you have sworn to her, once you become a guest of Heimer, it will fall from your mind.
01:35:08.400And I could see this as almost being, like, this verse as almost offensive in the sense of it, because it's not explained that he's tricked.
01:35:23.420What sayest thou, Greper? Give me the truth.
01:35:29.080Does fickleness hide in the hero's heart?
01:35:32.280Can it be that troth I break with the maid?
01:35:35.560With her, I believed, I loved so dear.
01:35:39.320So that's kind of the response to that is because he doesn't tell him he's being tricked.
01:35:44.440He tells him that he's going to break his oaths and warriors don't do that.
01:35:49.360And why would they do that to one that they loved?
01:35:52.880The noble oath that he would make to wed her.
01:35:58.600and then he says tricked by another prince thou art and the price of grim hild's wiles thou must
01:36:10.540pay fame to thee for the fair-haired maid her daughter she is and she drags thee down
01:36:18.980Sigurd speaks, might I with Gunnur kinship make, and Gudrun win to be my wife?
01:36:30.000Well, the hero wedded would be, if my treacherous deed would trouble me not.
01:36:35.820So he, remember this poem is referencing and bridging huge parts of a giant poem together in a very sleek package.
01:36:50.820But I like the fact that he's kind of giving, the poet is giving background feeling and thought, especially considering at this point in the story, Sigurd would be maybe 15 years old.
01:37:11.140he's a young man and he's very idealistic about about the way he perceives the world before he
01:37:19.720truly gets thrown into the millstrom of it and so he asks you know will i make a kinship with gunner
01:37:26.320um her brother and uh win gudrun as the wife um despite my treachery so that's again just
01:37:36.160interesting but i think that's the point is he's he's bridging the gap of this and gripper spoke
01:37:42.800holy grim held thy heart dice deceives she will bid thee go and brunhild woo
01:37:51.200for gunner's wife the lord of the goths and the prince's mother thy promise shall win so
01:37:59.840So he says, not only will you break the bond of love that you have with Brynhild, you'll be tricked, you'll be deceived, and you will fall for Gudrun, but it's Gudrun's mother, Grimhild, who will send you out to win Brynhild for her own son.
01:38:23.840and Sigurd then says evil waits me well I see it and gone is Sigurd's wisdom good
01:38:38.460if I shall woo for another to win the maiden fair that so fondly I loved
01:38:45.260gripper speaks then he says ye three shall all the oaths then take gunner and hold me
01:38:56.140and hero thou your forms ye shall change as forth ye tear gunner and thou for gripper lies not
01:39:06.500So not only that, not only is there the oaths of love and turning against and wooing a woman for another, the brotherhood of oaths to goodness will also be ripped asunder.
01:39:25.560Sigur speaks, how meanest thou? Why make we the change of the shape and form as forth we set?
01:39:37.540There must follow another falsehood. Grim in all ways. Speak on, Gripper.
01:39:46.640Gripper speaks, the form of Gunner and the shape thou gettest, but the mind and the voice thine own remain.
01:39:55.560The hand of the fosterling, noble of Heimir, now dost thou win, and none can prevent.
01:40:03.600So he takes the shape of Gunnur to woo this woman, but ultimately it leads to the erosion of their brotherhood.
01:40:14.320Sigurd speaks, most evil it seems, and men will say, base in Sigurd, that so he did.
01:40:25.560Again, unseemly, unhonorable, that Sigurd would do such a thing.
01:40:32.080Not of all my will shall I cheat with wiles, the hero's maiden whom noblest I hold.
01:40:40.840So that kind of even emphasizes more of the tragedy of this all.
01:40:47.180Gripper speaks, thou dwellest, leader, lofty of men,
01:40:53.160with the maid as if thy mother she were lofty as long as the world shall live ruler of men
01:41:01.580thy name shall remain so in essence he's also saying despite the baseless or the baseless
01:41:12.380nature or the the uh the unseemliness of all of these actions your deeds will still
01:41:19.300be remembered sigurd spoke shall gunner have a goodly wife famed among men speak forth now gripper
01:41:30.480although at my side three nights she slept the warrior's bride such never has been
01:41:38.660and gripper speaks the marriage draught will be drunk for both for sigurd and gunner in gookie's
01:41:47.760hall. So the marriage drop. In our marriage ceremonies, there is generally three oaths
01:41:56.440that are taken, and one is over the horn, the other is an exchange, and then the third
01:42:03.220is the rings, the oath of the rings. So this is the marriage drop that they're speaking
01:42:10.220of. But in essence, the horn will be best to two couples that day. For Sigurd and Gunur in Gyuki's
01:42:21.020wall, your forms you change when home you share, but the mind of each to himself remains. So you
01:42:30.460do this deed for him, but now you can no longer forget what you have done in wooing Brunholtz.
01:42:39.660you just forgot who brynhild was before you did this um sigur then speaks shall the kinship new
01:42:49.340thereafter come to good among us tell me gripper to gunner joy shall it later give or happiness
01:42:57.580send for me myself so another thing that's really interesting here is he is deeply concerned with
01:43:04.780the way a close friend will feel about him that he doesn't turn on his friend he doesn't
01:43:13.740he doesn't want to be seen as a person who uh stabs his friend in the back
01:43:22.140loyalty is strong but he doesn't quite understand how all of this is going to play out
01:43:29.180uh gripper speaks nine oaths remembering silent thou art and dwellest with gudrun in wedlock good
01:43:42.140but brynhild shall deem she is badly mated and wiles she seeks herself to avenge so you will
01:43:52.060remain with gudrun and you will uh knowing but granhill will remember everything
01:44:03.420uh sigur then speaks what may for the bride requital be the wife we won with subtle wiles
01:44:13.180from me she has the oaths i made and kept not long they gladden her little gripper then speaks
01:44:21.740to gunner soon his bride will say that ill didst thou thine oath fulfill when the goodly king
01:44:30.780that son of gyuki with all his heart the hero trusted so now he's saying
01:44:37.420your friend is going to turn at you and say that you broke the friendship and you were the one that
01:44:46.300twisted things even though he was the one that clearly asked sigurd to take his shape and form
01:44:53.260and jump over the fire sigurd then says what sayest thou gripper give me the truth am i guilty so as
01:45:03.020now is said or lies does the far-famed queen put forth of me and herself yet further speak
01:45:10.860in wrath and grief full little good the noble bride shall work thee now no shame thou gavest
01:45:22.360the goodly one though the monarch's wife with wiles didst cheat so he's free of blank but she
01:45:33.620is the component. And this is, of course, talking about Grimhild, the mother and her
01:45:42.980macinations for her son and for her daughter. Shall Gunnar the wise to the woman's words? Will
01:45:53.380he suddenly realize that his mother has been treacherous? And Gathom and Hogni then give
01:46:02.700heed, shall Gyuki's sons, now tell me, gripper, redden their blades with their kinsmen's
01:46:11.040blood? Heavy it lies on Gudrun's heart when her brothers all shall bring thee death. Never
01:46:23.600again shall she happiness know the woman so fair tis grimhild's work
01:46:34.480and then sigurd then says now fare thee well our fates we shun not and well has gripper answered
01:46:42.960my wish more of joy to me would tell of my life to come if thou couldest
01:46:50.240ever remember ruler of men that fortune lies in a hero's life a nobler man shall never live
01:47:01.500beneath the sun than sigurd shall see so it it abruptly ends and it doesn't go too much further
01:47:11.680past his death and that makes perfect sense since sigurd is alive but there is a great amount that
01:47:18.360does happen after but he just speaks of woe and tragedy and there is no real resolve spoken in
01:47:27.080this poem but he still says your deeds will be held in the highest esteem and and no man more
01:47:34.120nobler will ever be spoken of like you so even despite the fame there's fame but great tragedy
01:52:28.380are christians evil um one i would say on the base level no not at all um people of faith
01:52:43.840we need to look at people of faith there is a kinship that we have with them in the sense of
01:52:53.040faith, as opposed to people who have no faith. And I'm not saying that people with no faith
01:52:59.580are entirely evil either, but that is a clear and differentiated point.
01:53:06.460Are they misguided? I think that's a better point to say. And can they be so misguided
01:53:16.440that they build themselves up into a fervor um or are they infected by fenris's uh
01:53:28.760slobber or his spit as we spoke about before the the uh power of just absolute intense levels of
01:53:40.120of this kind of fanaticism that we can see coming out of religions that uniquely are from the
01:53:47.360Middle East, probably coincidence, but we see these kind of levels of, we even see it today
01:53:58.240when we're in power, we're burning all of these people, or we're getting rid of all of these
01:54:04.640people. And they often project that too on us. I've seen that as well. I've seen where it's like,
01:54:11.680oh, we can't let these guys get in power. They'll destroy everything. And I don't think that's the
01:54:15.780case. I think that there is, in Ausatru, there is an understanding of our people's history with
01:54:21.640Christianity that has a sense of respect, a sense of understanding. We understand, you know, the
01:54:28.860respect, even though all of our heroes, many of them have been slain for not converting and
01:54:36.800holding true to the gods. One of the things that we could still look at is the writing
01:54:42.440and how that helped in so much. The oral tradition started to go away and there became
01:54:51.540a writing tradition that was clearly brought in. But is that Christian or is that Hellenic?
01:54:57.980And it's kind of hard to just to tell the difference, especially in European Christianity, where Hellenic philosophes begin and, you know, Christians and and Christians take a lot of that from the Greek philosophes and just that's ours.
01:55:15.360That's what we do. That's why we're we are the way they are. But clearly they were not like that before.
01:55:21.860kind of immersing themselves in Greece. I think it ultimately depends on their actions
01:55:32.300that determines whether or not we should deem them evil or good. They are clearly outlandish
01:55:40.700to us, but all of them have a possibility of coming home. And we should not
01:55:47.280stop ourselves from trying to bridge that gap. And it's going to take a lot. One of the things
01:55:57.040is that it's like asking, is a man who is afraid for his life evil for trying to do things to
01:56:06.360assuage that fear. They have a deep-seated fear of Gehenna, of the Jewish afterlife so much.
01:56:19.500They want to avoid it so deeply, and they work so hard to maintain that covenant that they will do
01:56:26.420anything they can. And is that, does that fear make them evil? I, I can't lay that
01:56:35.920acquisition down on them so swiftly. So I'd like to make a point that kind of
01:56:43.060ties this into the night's story. A persistent theme was, you know, no, uncle, I would never
01:56:54.480do something like that. That's dishonorable. How could you say that? No, you were tricked.
01:57:01.180You didn't know better. You got put under a spell. Christianity is a spell that's been
01:57:07.380cast on our folk for a very long time. Were the original white people who abandoned our
01:57:18.320gods to become christians evil yes0.94
01:57:25.920even the term evil so a couple of things yes it's gonna say evil implies a knowing
01:57:34.480doing something that you know is bad or malevolent no cowards are not evil necessarily
01:57:44.000cowardness coward cowardliness can lead to evil0.96
01:57:51.120but cowardliness is disgusting to our folk0.76
01:57:58.160there were a lot of really evil crimes that were acknowledged and you're hung in public square
01:58:10.520in our ancestors day but cowardice wasn't one of those cowardice you got stomped into the bog so
01:58:17.500nobody had to remember that you existed because the concept of you is gross so
01:58:22.880there are again people who killed their own kin because of trying to force christianity on them1.00
01:58:39.640Those people are evil. There are we're all aware of people who under the guise of Christianity abuse and harm children sexually or otherwise, those people are evil.0.99
01:58:53.800But no, I think that as a general rule, most of the people that you know today that are Christians, especially in proportion to their Christianity, aren't evil.
01:59:02.960They're people that want to do the right thing, that are religiously inclined and trying to be pious and don't know any better.
01:59:10.540They have been cast into it, you know, with some kind of a spell of not remembering who they are and where they came from.
01:59:18.460And until they wake up from that, they don't know any better.
01:59:21.780They're trying to be virtuous and good.
01:59:23.780And for the last, you know, thousand years, that's what that has meant for white people was to be good Christians in whatever that was understood to be.
01:59:38.720So, no, I don't think Christians are evil.
01:59:40.880I think there have been certainly plenty of evil Christians, but I think most people who follow Christianity don't do so out of malevolence or bad intention.
02:06:26.780that go so i mean it could you could take it to a level of reaching a sense of i i would say
02:06:35.560germanic nirvana um and i i just say that because i don't want to culturally context it in an eastern
02:06:42.920sense but it is this kind of transcendence but it wasn't a one and done it wasn't like a one
02:06:51.220moment thing. It was seen as something that could be attained. And then if you were chosen by Lord
02:06:57.920Odin at a time of this transcendence, then so be it. Or you could have reached these transcendent
02:07:06.160points throughout your life. And then when you pass your deeds, your word, the honoring of you,
02:07:12.460speaking about these transcendent moments you you get pulled up after um so i think one of the
02:07:23.760things to understand is it's not like becoming a buddha or something where it's just uh all of a
02:07:29.960sudden no no it's it's breaking through the veil of the ignorance of your mind and of your flesh
02:07:36.100as a as a being here and you kind of touch the divine whether it's the mead of poetry
02:07:43.300or whether it's the absolute fervor of uh the berserker or the old heat nor and it gets
02:07:50.740confusing because we see that with the skulls but it's not emphasized as being a concept0.76
02:08:02.420And then the other is, is that the berserker was demonized later as being kind of a dumb, ruffian, pagan trope.
02:08:14.720But I think that the idea of being able to not feel wounds and to not fear death speaks about what was more common is the fear of getting hit with arrows and swords and spears and transcending above that.
02:08:37.980Or in the poetic sense is the fear of not knowing how to lace the words together to meld the poem, to memorize things, and then suddenly there's that transcendent moment above it, and it's like sipping from Kvasir's blood.
02:08:56.640it's it's the the mead of poetry flows in you or the the divine inspiration of lord othen ignites
02:09:04.320you and that's when you reach and attain the frenzy or the the ecstaticism ecstaticism
02:10:22.460There is something that occurs, and I think that this gets achieved through a lot of different ways.
02:10:28.500People will achieve it through ordeal.
02:10:30.220You can achieve transcendent states through extreme circumstance.
02:10:37.840You can also achieve them with psychedelics or through ritual or through moments of interaction with the divine.
02:10:49.820There are things in life that transcend your normal mode of being and you get in a frenzy.
02:10:58.280Yes, when a crazy person has a crazy episode, that is a form of frenzy.
02:11:03.500When an artist just goes nuts and has to sit there and do their art until it's done and they're crazy and, you know, difficult to be around, that's a form of that.
02:11:17.300On the battlefield, Svan talked about the Bersarq or the Ofednar or those kind of things where you literally lose yourself and you transform.
02:11:34.400there are things and I think that most of us have experienced this in a small way
02:11:46.880and we need to specify there is frenzy or transcending your normal state that is divine
02:11:55.540and there is some that is just you're on drugs or you're on whatever substances you're on that
02:12:03.280help you, or maybe you're having a chemical imbalance. All of these things can happen,
02:12:08.820and there can be overlap between all of these things.
02:12:16.740Frenzy can be when a bipolar person is on their manic cycle.
02:12:26.380When something transcendent occurs that takes you beyond the norms of your regular existence,
02:12:33.280you are being pulled by seemingly external forces to do things that's a part of that frenzy
02:12:42.840in a divine way when the gods when you interact with something so much greater than you are and
02:12:55.900so far beyond you, it can be hard to interact with that and maintain your sanity at the same
02:13:04.820time. Maybe for a moment, maybe it breaks your head in general, and you're just chattering in
02:13:13.580the corner about prophecy or something for the rest of time. Now, those are really, really extreme
02:13:19.960examples. It's probably not the norm that you're going to encounter. But I think we've all seen
02:13:24.040this a little bit when you get um when you get drunk and you are not you're still you but you're
02:13:30.500certainly not functioning under the same boundaries and limitations that you are normally under
02:13:36.800there's something to that it's one of the reasons that our ancestors
02:13:41.120would often drink very heavily to have their meetings and their discussions amongst amongst
02:13:49.820friends and amongst leaders and come up with really seemingly at the time really cool stuff
02:13:57.260but they'd always make sure they conferred about it the next day when everybody was clear-headed to
02:14:01.260to confirm that it was a good idea or not but something transcendent can happen at that
02:14:07.200where the way i think that relates to the all-father is
02:14:12.320Odin is the master of ecstasy, the master of frenzy.
02:14:30.280That mastery of self to where you can go on such a journey, but be in control of yourself to keep between the lines and make sure you're exercising your will.
02:14:43.280even while you're in the throes of ecstatic inspiration
02:14:49.360that's you know that's some top tier man skills there that i think are really important to think
02:14:55.520about um you see wolves very seldom in positive context in our lore not never but seldom because
02:15:09.040they are the embodiment of like ravenous uncontrolled violent devouring hunger and
02:15:18.480obsession and things like that and i think it's really significant that frecky and gary are odin's
02:15:27.120pets that curl up nicely at the foot of his his throne and he feeds them you know the food that's
02:15:33.680offered to him because he's only drinking the wine um his ability to master these creatures
02:15:42.880of frenzy and keep them at bay and keep them tame is i think very informative about that
02:15:52.000so there is a an art to interacting with the other the divine the transcendent while maintaining your
02:16:06.160your will and that's you know an art of the accomplished gothi or the accomplished vidki
02:16:13.580in a way um but you see it in the lore experienced in different ways and you see it in life
02:16:20.620experienced in different ways there are certain barriers in your brain that keep you logical
02:16:30.380but that also prevent you from experiencing the fullness of condition and sometimes
02:16:36.300you know various drugs alcohol hallucinogenics break those barriers down
02:16:42.460there are techniques to where fasting or ordeal or
02:16:50.620uh like there's some intensive breathing methods that also can break those things down a bit and
02:16:59.500let you glimpse the other but there are some people that naturally have the ability to access
02:17:05.260that other part of themselves and people who very often women but not always who have the ability
02:17:11.900to have second sight to have a much more viscerally transcendent experience where they see the things
02:17:20.620beyond the veil in a different way and in a much more palpable way there's also instances where
02:17:28.780you know the gods can override that by making themselves more in your face on the message that
02:17:35.540they're trying to interact with you now those people who experience that are a very fortunate
02:17:40.580few um but i think that that's what some of that is about and i think this is also an interesting
02:20:47.560I wanted to say, because something you just said at the end
02:20:50.680And kind of, he said, how do Ausatruhr use that today?
02:20:57.980And what you were talking about, Lord OĂ°inn, being inspiration hit me as that's, I think, one of the key components that we, in our fervor, in our frenzy, in our ecstatic states can do is inspire others.
02:21:14.960because the soul signal is making people spiritually confused,
02:21:21.700sometimes completely wandering off and having burning bright
02:21:26.880and having that devotion, seeing an ovance bloat
02:21:33.820and getting kind of pulled into understanding what's going on around you.
02:21:39.840But it's like a flashing hot moment, I think,
02:21:43.380has a lot of power for people that cuts through the din of a lot of what modernity is kind of
02:29:25.700and I think that it gets taken too far,
02:29:27.640but it's not just, it's not for the winners.
02:29:31.980And it's not, you're not excluded if you fall.
02:29:35.620Some of the people that fall on the battlefield
02:29:37.480the field or the people that the all father most wants in his company because they went out there
02:29:42.740and did their part regardless you know knowing what they were up against they still chose to
02:29:48.440go out there and uh show up so there's that uh are there afa members who are married to
02:29:59.240or dating christians or atheists or people of other beliefs it's fun
02:30:03.180uh yeah i yes um we've met um okay so wait let's go back a little further it was a common
02:30:14.380thing uh in with ausa through being um newly revitalized people were coming back
02:30:24.140uh for various reasons whatever inspired them and it was generally seen that you would have um
02:30:30.540um a the the man of the of the couple is also through and the woman of the couple is you know
02:30:39.880some sort of kind of quasi uh spiritualist crystal witchy whatever and it was always kind of like
02:30:48.640that way it was it was uh you would not see um the crystal fuzzy bunny uh hippie guy uh with his
02:31:01.040witchy girlfriend it was always a very strong and stout uh forward focusing towards asa true or
02:31:07.760towards the gods uh and the masculinity there and then there was this uh they were going for
02:31:14.400or masculine men, even in the whole, I guess, postmodern Marxist view of the feminine religion,
02:31:26.940goddess worship, or what have you. I've always found that kind of intriguing and funny in a lot
02:31:34.300of ways. Pause for one second. I see it over in the chat, and I want to recognize it before we
02:31:40.020go further daughter of the west i love that i absolutely love that um she says i am i can i
02:31:49.800ought i will uh i teach that to my children it's a motto in our home that's amazing and first time
02:31:57.920i've seen it put that succinctly or in that way and i'm really glad you reinforce that with your
02:32:03.180showroom. Well done. Darion. Yeah, no, and just the premise of will and fate. And it's very funny
02:32:14.000because I would view, I think, the dichotomy between us. As here go, he's very focused on the
02:32:24.580will. And I am, and always have been kind of focused on the fate. Um, and I remember us having
02:32:32.500long discussions about the difference between the two and how they interplay with each other.
02:32:38.080Um, especially if like, if you, I take great stock in runic, um, divinatory practices. So
02:32:49.180that again is this skein of fate, but everything's being influenced by will. And I just, I find it
02:32:57.860such an interesting thing. And it is kind of, yeah, the dichotomy that plays out between us.
02:33:03.960But the couples, sorry, getting back to couples. Yes, I have met plenty of Ousathruer who have
02:33:17.520non-religious, um, loved ones, uh, in their marriage, or they have, like you said, kind of
02:33:27.060in truth, bad Christians because, uh, you know, Christians by their faith and doctrine speak about,
02:33:34.480um, you know, not being with those people. I mean, and, and we've spoken before Jesus even said,
02:33:42.440I call them, you know, not as a peacemaker, but I bring a sword to sever the relationship between father and son and mother and daughter.
02:33:54.040And what they're talking about in that Bible verse is that their faith will break even the bonds of kinship, which kind of does set the motif for it just in general.
02:34:07.040And the more hard lined they are, that has more prevalence.
02:34:11.840But there is, of course, the way that Christianity has evolved to keep more people, if it's that hard, that rigid, it's going to lose a lot of people, where they accept Ausatru or pre-Christian holidays and things and they kind of turn a blind eye or ramp up the fear when they need to.
02:34:39.780It's more of a control volume as opposed to just turning it up the whole time.
02:34:46.540But you find them married, or I like to call them cultural Christians.
02:35:03.440And then they might ramp it up to, I'm going to accept this rabbi from the Middle East as my Mashiach or the Mashiach of the Israelites, but also me.
02:35:17.880And then eventually it ramped up to, we are the new Israelites.
02:35:23.000And then it just keeps going and going depending on how hardline they are.
02:35:28.880But at a certain point, I generally see that there's, for those who are accepting of the faith of their loved ones, as they get to know more of the traditions of Asateru, they kind of parallel themselves in there.
02:35:49.140They kind of merge because there is a familiarity that, like in Christianity, there's a familiarity, but then as you dig and dig and dig, it's not very long before you start learning about Zebekah and the, you know, the Edomites and all of these kind of Middle Eastern politics going on.
02:36:17.680And it's a lot of folks, when they reach that point in the in the delve down, that's their break zone.
02:36:24.660The light starts to dim and they're like, you know, I'm not going to go into all of that.
02:36:28.920Those that do press on, they lose or they have to place themselves in that realm.
02:36:36.120And they're not all of that. But when they come into Ausatru, there is no break off point.
02:36:41.940It's like everything we're doing has been with our people for as long as we've been.
02:36:47.680So it makes perfect sense what we're doing and why we're doing it.
02:36:58.360So I generally see most folks that come into our faith, if they've been searching, oftentimes
02:37:06.220they are men, but I have met more women in the Austro Folk Assembly than I ever have
02:37:12.460before just in a kind of broad sense of house it through where they were initiating things their
02:37:18.860their motherhood was kicking in or something was going on and they were like well my husband's
02:37:24.460uh not there yet but i'm also true and i've seen that a lot surprisingly and um
02:37:33.340generally the other partner will either stay completely away and that's out of laziness
02:37:40.620disinterest materialism uh but very rarely is it out of conviction for their religion over their
02:37:47.980partners it's out of denial it's out of like let's pretend that's not a real thing oh that's just
02:37:53.740something silly they're doing that's just right it's a hobby for them um so one thing to consider
02:38:05.340on this. People come to Ausatru at different points in their life. If you come home to Ausatru
02:38:12.940and you find yourself in a relationship with someone who is not Ausatru, that doesn't bar
02:38:19.420you from being a member and participating in the AFA. The hope is that you will bring your partner
02:38:25.260into becoming Ausatru. But we have a number of people that found this at different points in
02:38:32.080their life and have long-standing relationships with people who are not
02:38:38.620Ausitru. And we don't, you know, try to break up families or encourage people to,
02:38:44.780you know, do that. That's not required of you. But it's certainly a better option
02:38:52.420for you to, if you are single now, date Ausitru or build relationships with
02:39:01.620usatruar marry usatruar build your family with usatruar um if you
02:39:10.180and we see this a lot and we see it often with guys we have our men today that get very desperate
02:39:19.000and they make poor decisions because they are lonely and often hopeless and just want to have
02:39:27.320someone and i get that i'm not talking down to that i i understand that i can see myself
02:39:37.880falling into that i have been very very fortunate in my life that that hasn't been my situation and
02:39:46.120that you know i found mandy at an afa event and it worked out beautifully and in a storybook way
02:39:53.400and i i'm very blessed because of that but it could have gone a different way where i get that
02:39:58.680i don't like to be alone i understand it um it is worth it to take your time and make good decisions
02:40:10.120one of the most foul curses i have seen upon our folk is these men that make
02:40:18.360enough men and women that make poor choices on who they have babies with and then they have to deal
02:40:25.800with truly awful custody disputes that don't let them live their life fully or raise their children
02:40:33.960as they know they ought to and that's really sad and i wouldn't wish that on any of you
02:40:41.000to that end the afa does not you know our gothar do not perform weddings
02:40:50.040as a rule for couples unless both members are also true are
02:40:56.120not just austral but australia and afa members that is to ensure the idea that your marriage is
02:41:02.360built right from the moment of inception of that marriage and so that our
02:41:11.000our church and our gods are invited in and a integral part of that relationship from that day
02:41:19.960forward and that's really important to us um i get it i know there's plenty of guys listening to this
02:41:27.720man maybe i got with this girl i could convince her cool convince her before you get in a long-term
02:41:34.360relationship with her and you plan a life with her if you can you know through your studliness
02:41:42.120convert the ladies bring them home to house true you know more power to you but it's really easy
02:41:49.000to get caught up and not be able to break the shackles that a relationship puts you in
02:41:56.120and then make compromises that don't allow you to be your true self or to live authentically
02:42:01.160i've seen people that found themselves oh she'll come around you know one of these days she'll
02:42:07.400she'll see the truth and she'll come home to house the true and i've seen men waste
02:42:12.520decades of their life not being able to live authentically because they are
02:42:21.080not in a position or are too weak to take a spiritual lead in their home
02:42:25.480and that's really unfortunate don't find yourself there don't do that now i it's a different prospect
02:42:33.160to find somebody who's not particularly religious and then incorporate them into what we do and to
02:42:39.160bring them in i think that's got a lot better route to success than somebody who is a committed
02:42:45.000christian but as i said earlier in the broadcast good christians don't want to date you0.77
02:42:51.560good christians are offended by your existence and you are an idolatrous or yeah demon worshiper
02:43:02.240and they don't want to have anything to do with you if they do they are to one degree or another0.92
02:43:07.460bad christians i suppose that's a start like hey how about you just come on home to alice true
02:43:13.360instead um swan mentioned earlier you know if you are a real christian then you know your bible you0.96
02:43:21.280know those things and you're comfortable and you're full in on the little hat jewishness of
02:43:26.440christianity if you're not then very often you've got your you know is that movie from dogma where
02:43:34.720you got your like buddy jesus that is just your imaginary friend that approves of all the stuff
02:43:41.220you do and is your homie and that's not real christianity they should probably get rid of
02:43:47.140that and come up with something that's authentic or they double down and it's like we're the lost
02:43:54.540tribe of the israel yeah then they go yes we we was jews right which a lot of people do whether
02:44:03.880it's the black israel it is amazing what mental gymnastics people can go through because we always
02:44:11.640avoid and this goes back to our thing we just said about the hero we want to avoid discomfort so bad
02:44:20.040and this is okay so this is another random blame it on the moscato whatever thing that we're going
02:44:25.560into here but to fundamentally evaluate your core beliefs and make necessary changes when you know
02:44:40.440things to be true or things to be wrong that's hard and it's very uncomfortable and it
02:44:49.320can reshuffle your relationships with your family and with your loved ones
02:44:54.800it can reshuffle your place in the world and the longer you live wrong and the later in life you
02:45:04.900discover it, man, I'm 70 and everything I've been doing for the last 70 years is the wrong way to
02:45:13.200go. That is a hard thing to mentally wrap your head around. And I think we see that with boomers
02:45:22.020and the news and political stuff and a variety of things. Technology, they don't want to
02:45:30.500broaden their horizons on a lot of things because it's terrifying so
02:45:41.940it's amazing the kind of mental nonsense we'll go to to not upset the paradigm that we're
02:45:47.780comfortable in oh wow this is all about the jews they are clearly the chosen people of yahweh this0.81
02:45:55.780is whoa this is crazy what do i do this is all i know um well maybe maybe a secret jew went to
02:46:09.540england at one point and then all the bad jews stayed there but the like good jew is and it's0.95
02:46:19.060it's ridiculous it's inauthentic it's insulting to the actual jews it's insulting to you it's0.97
02:46:24.660insulting to your ancestors it offends the icier and yahweh it is wrong all around we stand in0.99
02:46:32.980solidarity in saying that's nonsense don't do that but yes fawn i'm gonna take a break for a second
02:46:41.860while you begin to answer question for you both what are some of your tips about how to be
02:46:49.300consistent in life and responsibilities, et cetera? That is a great question, but let me
02:47:03.520give a little preface is that I have a tendency to live in a very
02:47:12.340acting when acting is correct but letting go when I don't have control or what have you
02:47:25.720sometimes this does bite me in the butt I can get overwhelmed by things because things build up
02:47:31.600But I, as I was speaking before with Al-Shera Godi, I do place a heavy emphasis on the fate and the nature and how things are rolling out and contemplating how the gods might see things or what have you.
02:47:52.600But that doesn't mean I'm inactive, or I don't have or take action. Instead, I find myself that the downside is reacting to a lot that which flows to me. But because I have that in my head already, that I am just kind of following the flow of things, I know that I'm going to have to react.
02:48:18.540And I, you know, sometimes I wonder if the people that are very willful and very planned, if they themselves are ever caught off guard with things kind of falling out underneath them, and then they emotionally react to things they can't control.
02:48:38.300So that's kind of where that dichotomy comes in. But I found too, for myself, there is a certain
02:48:44.940sense of stability that comes in, even when there's not an attempt to achieve it, that finding
02:48:53.240yourself correctly going with a time schedule. So, and I was here, I mean, he's not here,
02:49:01.580So he, but I know he would scathe at me about for what I'm about to say, but for me, um, I, you know, following the, the iron mark versus following the, um, Gregorian calendar.
02:49:17.600so it's like i there's five weeks in this month ah and i'm like yelling at about calendars like
02:49:23.760some sort of like nut but at the same time i'm following this other pattern um and it's the same
02:49:33.280like uh you know looking at the year sometimes i'll only look at the year based on the holy tides
02:49:39.280what's coming up what thresholds are we passing through um and so i find a pattern i find this
02:49:46.800recognition so to honestly say from my perspective is to align yourself correctly and i'm not saying
02:49:56.640this with the intention of like political jargon or over i'm sorry uh religious jargon or over
02:50:05.760religious sized jargon i'm not the only way you can get right with the gods is if you you know
02:50:11.200attend every uh half ceremony um and then you will find the light brother no i'm not saying that what
02:50:20.560i am saying is that it helped me greatly when i aligned myself to the holy tides and i began to
02:50:31.840see the year and its evolution and its cyclical nature and it greatly helped me um
02:50:41.200not just feel like I was lost in the millstrom, but that I was flowing down a river and I was
02:50:48.060seeing these guideposts and I could kind of pull myself towards willful inclinations. Or when I
02:50:57.360saw a correct moment to strike, I would loose the arrow and it was good. And what I found is a lot
02:51:04.860of times that led me into very synchronistic places and, um, meeting people and talking to
02:51:15.620people and finding myself showing up at just the right time or missing out on stuff that I really
02:51:23.740didn't need to be in or, or vice versa. And, um, so I have, I think a different view on that
02:51:33.000Because I would be lying to you if I was to say that I was this just timely and absolutely stabled person in my what I'm doing day to day.
02:51:46.160And anybody, especially all the leadership in the Astro Folk Assembly, no, I am not that person.
02:51:53.700I am ethereal at best in a lot of ways.
02:51:57.600But that's because I find myself flowing around, but I can say this much. One of the things that's helped me the most is aligning myself to the holy tides of the year and my community. It grounds me. It brings me back in. It helps me feel that spiritual connectivity that I need. And it keeps me from getting lost in all of it.
02:52:22.600And the other, I don't know if this is good or bad, but I do get hyper-focused on what's in front of me. Now, bad part is peripheral vision gets lost and sometimes I lose count or track of things going on.
02:52:40.420But I have found over the years that if I can hyper focus on what's in front of me and oftentimes interactions with the fellow folk community, even though I may fail in other places, the consistency of being there and forward facing when I'm with someone or a group of people has created
02:53:10.420It's not even created. It just is a sense of sincerity that I feel does go a long way.
02:53:22.100And I find this too in my work. There's the paradox of the client who's waiting
02:53:29.400is on a time schedule, but the moment he gets in the chair, he never wants to leave. He will talk
02:53:35.660to me for forever. So it's always the, the idea that when people are kind of caught in the
02:53:43.300millstrom of meeting deadlines and schedules and so on and so forth, um, does truly go away with
02:53:51.120the sincerity of true interaction. So I depend on that a lot and almost to a detriment. So I would
02:53:59.760warn not to do it too much, but don't be afraid to focus on the moment. Don't be afraid to kind of
02:54:09.480accept that which is coming around you and anything that makes a routine, view it as a
02:54:19.880blessing. If that means day to day, there's something that you need to do. You need to get
02:54:25.480up and help a family member because they're elderly or children, or there's something that
02:54:32.740you do. In our family, we do these night walks and they have become part, I didn't resist,
02:54:42.080they became a part of my routine. And what I end up finding is that it helps me not get lost in
02:54:50.020all of it. So finding your pattern, finding your tempo is really, really important. If you find
02:54:58.420yourself as more like me, where you're kind of floating around and, you know, that's what I think
02:55:05.580will help alleviate and help you if you're having this struggle of time management. If you're having
02:55:12.320this struggle, you can find the pattern of, uh, things that ground you. And if they're not helping
02:55:21.740you, of course, I would say move to something else like, but you should try to find that which
02:55:27.120naturally occurs. I think that will help you. Um, if, uh, uh, like a perfect example too is, um,
02:55:36.580And for me, the staying up late for the podcast has affected my life, not in a bad way. It's just in a way. And one of the things I was thinking about doing was taking a secondary night job because I find myself staying up.
02:55:57.260And I already kind of did that before the podcast, but it all just, the podcast was even a product of my staying up here on the East Coast while, you know, folks are awake on the West Coast.
02:56:10.400And so you want to formulate and arm yourself by perceiving what you are doing and then utilizing those moments naturally.
02:56:25.840If this is the time that you do things, then you should hold that as a, as a, a mark of stability and then, and, and then move on from there. Oh, we got a doggo. See, like a, I just like a squirrel, squirrel.
02:56:42.300No, the overarching thing is finding the tempo, finding the rhythm that helps you gain.
02:56:54.900And for me, it's like the macro is the year and the holy tides.
02:57:01.160Almost to the point now where I just, I'm not even in the whole months and days.
02:57:11.740And it's, you know, but some people can't do that because of their work or the way that they have deadlines and so on and so forth.
02:57:18.580So try to find things that ground you and then really focus on what you're doing in front of you.
02:57:28.080But not to your own detriment, because sometimes over focusing on what's in front of you makes you forget about all the other stuff that needs to.