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00:03:26.240 all right guys um for those of you who are listening to us on spotify reason there was

00:03:38.400 a moment of silence there at the beginning is we're acknowledging the passing of an afa member

00:03:43.680 michael vaughn who we got word uh this last weekend that he had uh that he had passed away

00:03:49.920 in a motorcycle accident so uh yeah just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge that and and

00:03:59.440 remember him um sorry i wasn't with you guys last week i had wanted to i'd hoped i'd be able to get

00:04:06.000 to it from sigerheim and stuff just didn't quite work out that way but as many of you may know

00:04:12.000 I spent most of last week and this weekend down at Sigurheim. We had our first event. It's our

00:04:20.360 first big national event at Sigurheim, Sigurblow, and it was fantastic. The humidity was disgusting,

00:04:31.260 but beyond that, everything was fantastic. It was a really great event.

00:04:35.860 a lot of special things happened. It was great to get to show that place off to our members

00:04:43.840 that came out for it. It's a beautiful and truly, truly magical place, and I can talk about it all

00:04:52.980 day long and even show pictures, but until you're there, it's really hard to feel just how special

00:05:01.920 that place is um as fond and i got to see it together in uh january a couple couple highlights

00:05:12.240 just kind of going through um a few of these before we get started on today's topic but

00:05:18.320 kind of updates on the weekend and how it went um congratulations congratulations are due to

00:05:25.840 to a newly ordained Gauthier Bodie Mayo.

00:05:31.920 Bodie took his ordination oath at Sigerheim on Saturday.

00:05:37.920 It's been a long time coming.

00:05:39.760 Gauthier Mayo has been involved in Alcetru,

00:05:47.520 let's say for probably almost 30 years now.

00:05:52.520 years now um certainly before I was involved um he is so him him and spawn are the guys that I

00:06:02.660 would put up there as my top two as far as lore knowledge um so I think that you guys will be

00:06:09.020 happy when we get Bodie on one of these programs um we should I don't know we should almost set

00:06:16.340 some kind of lore back and forth betwixt him and Svan because the rest of us could just sit back

00:06:22.860 and eat popcorn. Those guys have a mastery of the lore that's unsurpassed. I still remember a

00:06:31.620 campsite at Thoroblo. I believe it was Mayday. Me and him, like four o'clock in the morning,

00:06:42.120 just back and forth and kind of asking questions. It was amazing.

00:06:46.340 When I say that, Boat, he's a personal friend of mine and has been for a lot of years, so it was really good to see him get his ordination this last weekend.

00:06:56.820 Also, Tyler Bethea, a folk builder out of North Carolina, took his folk builder oath.

00:07:04.200 For some of you guys that may not be aware, when you want to folk build in the AFA, you start out as an apprentice.

00:07:10.060 that usually lasts about a year give or take to see if it's something that you that you have a

00:07:18.620 have a knack for that you like doing and that you're good at doing and you know something that

00:07:24.380 you want to continue doing and something that the rest of us in leadership think

00:07:29.260 is a good idea to have you continue doing so he took his oath and we're very excited to have him

00:07:34.700 on board um he's been doing a fantastic job organizing things in eastern tennessee and

00:07:43.420 western north carolina there and uh him and his family are are an amazing addition to the afa so

00:07:49.420 we're very happy to have him with us uh also we performed a naming and officially inaugurated

00:08:00.140 the afa sword the official afa sword we've talked here the past

00:08:05.820 probably two or three times that uh swan and i have been on about

00:08:11.740 ritual items and then being storehouses for hymenia and uh powerful symbols that can embody

00:08:20.220 that and be passed on and passed down and carry that hymenia with them and the sword is no exception

00:08:27.180 so the sword was named relentless um when doing the naming of the sword i did a three rune pull

00:08:38.780 just like i've described doing for baby namings in the case of baby naming i asked each of each

00:08:44.860 of the nornir to bestow a blessing upon the child in this case um being that it's a sword

00:08:54.300 and that we did it in the spot that we will erect tears off on i asked lord tier to bestow three

00:09:02.300 blessings in the same kind of you know past present future tense and i thought it was very

00:09:09.980 auspicious um the first one that lord tier blessed the sword with was urus being forged from the the

00:09:19.900 primal elements of the earth being forged from the primal elements of of our soul the second

00:09:28.860 was tiwaz tear's own rune and a victory rune that the valkyrie instructed that we

00:09:35.740 put twice upon blades for victory and then the final one kenaz and any of you who followed our

00:09:46.460 process of assigning a rune to each of our hoffs kenaz is the rune for tiershoff and it also is the

00:09:56.060 the torch of inspiration lighting the way for our folk in the future so i thought it was extremely

00:10:01.020 auspicious those of you who may not be able to look at the uh at the picture it's a model 1840

00:10:07.420 Confederate Use Heavy Cavalry Sabre. That model was known as Old Wrist Breaker because it's

00:10:16.300 heavy and so heavy that a lot of the cavalry troopers found it unwieldy. So many opted in

00:10:24.920 the Civil War for the 1860 Light Cavalry Sabre. But the 1840 model was still very much in use

00:10:32.000 and was used by some very celebrated generals of that war on both sides,

00:10:39.780 but specifically, and relevant to Tennessee, a hero of mine,

00:10:44.620 Lieutenant General Nathan Bedford Forrest, that was his saber of choice.

00:10:50.100 So, yeah, we thought it was very auspicious, excited about doing that.

00:10:55.400 It was Sigurheim 1, so we're going to do that.

00:10:58.800 We're going to do it every year. Every year, Sigurheim is going to be a little bit fancier.

00:11:05.640 We're going to start seeing homes there. We're going to start seeing Tears Hoff itself and our great hall that we're going to erect there, as well as many other things over the years.

00:11:15.380 So I invite you guys, if you couldn't make it this year, love to see you guys next year.

00:11:20.460 If you could make it this year, then I'm sure you're excited to see us next year, too, because it was a really special event.

00:11:28.800 I think that's what I've got between now and last time.

00:11:34.060 I hope you guys enjoyed the show with Witten, Witten, Brandy Callahan and Trent East, as they discussed, I believe, Radbod last week.

00:11:45.420 And yeah, I think without further ado, we will start our first of our series of runic discussions.

00:11:58.240 i suppose not really our first but the first that we're actually tackling individual rooms

00:12:03.280 um the way that we're planning on doing this and i suppose today is a test run

00:12:09.120 for that and now we may have to get nick to make some different graphics if it doesn't work out

00:12:13.280 but the way we've planned for is um doing three rooms at a time and i think what we'll do is talk

00:12:21.120 about one go through all the questions that have been generated in that time and then

00:12:30.000 move on to the next same process and then repeat for that third one

00:12:41.840 if all right so

00:12:45.840 for those we're going to be going through the elder futhark runes we're going to be going

00:12:53.360 through them in order and uh yes fawn if you could tell us about our first rune as if nobody

00:13:06.880 has ever heard the rune names themselves or is has any familiarity starting at the very basics

00:13:14.560 okay so uh remember we're working off of the right out the gate we're not doing alphabet we're doing

00:13:21.760 futhark so the first three uh represent these sounds of the f the oo sounds sometimes they

00:13:30.400 utilized as a sound um that's why genetics is kind of funny when we talk about the runes

00:13:37.280 um but the uh the sound and then the th sound which is the thorn the thorn is still used in

00:13:44.960 iceland today uh the thorn looks like a p or uh yeah like a capital p but the the actual arch in

00:13:54.080 the center it's moved center axis um and that is the th sound so those are the first three

00:14:00.560 runes that were doing the f the the u or u sound and the th sound and starting off with that we

00:14:08.000 have the most common usage name that we would start out with is fehu and the reason why i say

00:14:15.120 that again is we kind of covered this last week or uh two weeks ago was um that these names are

00:14:22.960 modern reconstructions so again uh you know when people talk about the the fact that they might

00:14:29.600 have a problem with some sort of runes being used in certain ways or uh like again i i remember you

00:14:36.480 know getting some strange questions about the folk truth arc it's worth noting that the common

00:14:41.600 usage words that we use are actually fairly new in our our century um as they are reconstructed

00:14:48.640 words but the the most common word is fehu now fehu has a lot of different usages the oldest

00:14:56.400 form of it is probably in the anglo-saxon or gothic and that would be um feo or faihu

00:15:05.840 and they kind of all have the same meaning uh and of course in in icelandic or the norse it was fee

00:15:12.400 or fey um fey is wealth so all of them all mean the same thing it means wealth um

00:15:21.280 Um, wealth, however, is an interesting topic because wealth to our ancestors meant different

00:15:30.880 things and wealth and the usage of the word, uh, goes even further back.

00:15:37.140 So the, the ultimate root of wealth for our ancestors before printing money was land and

00:15:44.800 cattle very very common um understanding of of what that can mean implying even to today

00:15:53.120 especially as americans we absolutely understand that there is wealth built around the power in

00:16:01.040 which you had land and cattle and in particular cattle because the directness to it is that the

00:16:10.000 more cattle you had more land you had or the you know it was an equilibrium of that so the

00:16:16.160 understanding of um having wealth uh so amongst the goths it was simply known as the cattle rune

00:16:27.040 uh and that's given to the symbology of the of the actual um sigil is that it is you know

00:16:33.840 representing the horns of of a domesticated cattle um one that could you know bear forth

00:16:42.720 money and so this rune is often associated right out of the gate with prosperity

00:16:51.760 but there are other aspects of this room that you'll find come in later especially when you

00:16:57.200 consider every rune has um excuse me i will say most runes and we'll go into reasons why

00:17:05.360 most runes have a runic poem and uh the runic poems that we have collected over you know

00:17:12.960 hundreds of years is that there's the anglo-saxon rune poem there is the icelandic or nordic rune

00:17:19.680 poems so anglo-saxon phrygian icelandic nordic and then there is the um uh old norse or norwegian

00:17:30.400 so there's like there's multiple poems and some of them are interesting in the way that they're

00:17:35.520 written but each of them denote wealth in relation to the the first rune faith however

00:17:44.080 some of them warn about greed in a very cryptic way the uh the norwegian uh rune poem speaks of

00:17:52.400 wealth amongst kinsmen but that there is a wolf always waiting in the woods and so this is kind

00:17:58.000 of a layering effect of understanding that there's kind of the there's a a lighter and a darker side

00:18:05.040 or or a leos a light and a merk a murkiness of the meanings between the runes and i think that

00:18:13.120 was understood by our ancestors and so as money changed from strictly cattle to cattle and land

00:18:23.120 and then cattle and land and ships and cattle and land and slaves and workers and warriors

00:18:30.000 and eventually even your own what your armies or your kinsmen people that you could account for

00:18:37.120 in times of battle or in times of of um uh even legal strife the idea of wealth and its power

00:18:44.960 um growing beyond simply just cattle is what this rune has has developed over time because

00:18:51.840 its ultimate meaning is the the wielding of wealth what does that mean the ability for you to move

00:18:59.360 wealth and you're the ability for you to gain wealth and spend it and garner loyalties and help

00:19:08.720 people thus garnering more loyalties is that that is kind of the mystery of faith um

00:19:17.520 i'm trying to think of like i mean i want to i don't want to jump to the other one so

00:19:21.200 i don't know if you have any more to add to that as far as just the basic layout all right so

00:19:26.400 So, breaking it down a little bit, the old Norwegian rune poem reads,

00:19:35.520 Wealth is a source of discord amongst kin. The wolf lives in the forest.

00:19:42.420 The old Icelandic rune poem reads, Wealth is a source of discord amongst kin,

00:19:48.060 and flood of the sea, and gate of the burial site of golden kings.

00:19:53.660 and then the anglo-saxon rune poem reads wealth is a comfort to all yet must everyone bestow it

00:20:01.940 freely if they wish to gain honor in the sight of the lord um so those are our rune poems that talk

00:20:09.480 about wealth and break this rune down a little bit and the rune poems sometimes are very obvious

00:20:18.140 And sometimes they're sometimes they're very confusing. So but in, you know, in the comparing all three, it talks about the positives and the negatives of that wealth.

00:20:33.180 It talks about, you know, how it can cause strife amongst kinsmen, but it also talks about how it's a comfort to everyone.

00:20:42.100 And the Anglo-Saxon one adds that generosity is, why generosity is so very important to win reputation and to win favor and to win divine favor.

00:20:53.840 And you'll notice that some of these, especially I believe the Anglo-Saxon comes to us in the Christian era.

00:21:01.080 So, you know, don't be disturbed that it makes, you know, it might have a Christian overlay, like when it mentions the Lord at the end.

00:21:12.620 Yeah, there's a huge amount of that in the Anglo-Frygian.

00:21:17.080 but it's the oldest set of rune poems that we have which is a lot of people don't

00:21:21.080 realize is that the christianized versions are older than the than the still um uh

00:21:27.640 ausitru folk poems that were written down well there's a reason for that anglo-saxon

00:21:33.640 uh england was converted much much earlier than scandinavia um

00:21:40.600 so those are those are the room poems there but something else that

00:21:46.520 So, something else I think is important to consider is there's correspondences in these runes specifically to many of the Futharks out there, and specifically a lot of these to the Arminen runes.

00:22:02.880 And the Arminen runes correspond to the 18 runic spells that Odin speaks about in the Havamal.

00:22:09.460 um this one is under that that first stanza so also adding to the to the lore associated with

00:22:19.440 these songs i know which no sons of men nor queen and king's court knows the first is help

00:22:27.440 which will bring the help in all woes and in sorrow and strife um one thing that is

00:22:35.300 developed esoterically in our understanding of the runes isn't merely this as monetary wealth.

00:22:42.920 As a matter of fact, the root isn't monetary at all, though it is in trade. It's mobile wealth

00:22:48.260 that you circulate, but also your resources that you circulate generally. When we talk about

00:22:57.300 esoteric some of that has to do with the sharing of your luck with the sharing of your your energy

00:23:08.340 and ultimately with our gift cycle one thing that that i want to mention with this for fehu to work

00:23:15.480 properly the merc of fehu is you hoarding wealth and we have lore that talks about you know hoarding

00:23:22.460 and becoming a dragon and you know you become this monstrous beast that hoards all of its stuff and

00:23:28.460 is greedy in our beliefs when you circulate and um yeah when you circulate when you share wealth

00:23:39.100 and you share your boons it becomes worth more than the sum of the part the parts it increases

00:23:45.500 and picks up a momentum um it's part of our gift cycle between us and the gods when we share these

00:23:51.580 things and give those gifts somehow in the exchange when we do it ritually we get a value

00:23:59.260 that's greater than if we all just held on to it individually the fact that we are circulating it

00:24:05.420 keeps our for lack of a better word our spiritual economy healthy and growing

00:24:11.900 well go ahead it might be uh there's a mention there you said in the icelandic

00:24:17.180 rune poem about the um the the uh kenning for it is the gold of the sea or it's the uh fire of the

00:24:27.420 sea um and at the uh at the gate of the barrel mount uh and what those alec those allegoric

00:24:37.340 meanings might have done in order i think in in with modern runecraft there's an association

00:24:44.940 clearly with gold and uh but also with fire and i think a lot of people might have a question about

00:24:52.700 how how did we jump from the usage of it as mobile wealth and the ability and that power and

00:25:00.460 and generosity and and gaining um of wealth to jumping into fire and i think there that's worth

00:25:09.460 noting in in the usage of it i think the clearest jump is of course of the icelandic rune poem

00:25:17.380 but the usage of it in relation to the expansion of power is really what i think is focused on

00:25:29.140 in in interpretation modern interpretations of this room uh when we culminate a lot of

00:25:34.180 the meanings together there is wealth but there is a mobile expansive power is kind of that jump

00:25:42.340 between wealth and that mobile expensive power is kind of then an allegoric connection to fire or

00:25:51.700 the expansion of heat the expansion of light and the influence of that and so there seems to be

00:25:57.060 that that is the the deepest connection between this uh rune as in the sense of a mobile wealth

00:26:04.660 and cattle and in fire and gold and the expansion of power so you know when you we take it from the

00:26:12.820 bear the bear framework and then to get into more of the metaphysical aspects of understanding

00:26:19.700 because as i said you know um it was not wealth in its typical sense it was wealth by that expansion

00:26:29.380 of influence power and ability generosity and all of those things that it could make

00:26:34.660 so i mean it's not too far off to say it's already kind of out of the gate uh beyond just the material

00:26:43.220 so our first question tonight and i should have mentioned this at the top of the show but our uh

00:26:53.460 we're being broadcast live on youtube on entropy rumble odyssey vk and twitter so anybody in any

00:27:05.460 of those places is free to ask questions and we'll get to them and we appreciate our audience in all

00:27:10.500 those places if you're on entropy or rumble you guys can give tips or you guys can monetize

00:27:17.700 questions to get them to the front of the line we will answer any and all of your questions

00:27:24.820 but uh you know the super chat thing where you get yours answered first is convenient especially

00:27:30.420 on svan episodes because the questions tend to stack up but also you know every donation helps

00:27:37.380 out and is very much appreciated we have our first uh one a donation of 15 on entropy from

00:27:44.580 uh ludwig carl and we appreciate that very much he says good evening gentlemen sorry if this has

00:27:51.860 been asked before but do you have any thoughts on thomas carlson's night side of the rooms

00:27:58.980 is it worth reading or should we stay away thank you i will say up front i have never read that

00:28:06.020 i'm unfamiliar i haven't read it either and um now it makes me want to go and look though

00:28:13.220 it makes me want to read it um yeah i i do not have that in my in my library

00:28:25.140 yeah this is the first that i've heard of it so i'd like to look into it as well

00:28:29.460 i that is a poor repaying of your 15 dollars i apologize thank you very much for your donation

00:28:35.700 and uh if you want to throw in another question on the house that's cool um but yeah i would respond

00:28:42.340 and i would both like to check that out and maybe in future episodes we'll have a little bit more

00:28:46.100 to say about it um yeah in actuality we might be able to get to that question next episode

00:28:52.180 because i'm gonna be looking it up very much so um so our next question is this question

00:29:02.420 ought to be the first uh in the queue every stream how was your evening tonight my evening

00:29:08.660 is going really well so far um like i say i look forward to these i didn't get to do this last week

00:29:15.780 so i've been excited about getting back to the grind this week um yeah i'm doing pretty good

00:29:22.180 it's fun how are you doing this evening i am doing well i've been very very uh again fruitful

00:29:28.420 bountiful in work. So I've been working very, very hard the last couple of weeks.

00:29:35.280 Have a lot of loyal and faithful friends who come and, you know, get their haircut and it's been

00:29:42.960 wonderful, but it's also been busy because it's a lot of hours standing and it's a lot of hours

00:29:47.120 making sure that everybody's doing well. So I'm thankful for it and I'm doing great. Lots of

00:29:55.160 Family just came in, 4th of July.

00:29:57.020 It was amazing.

00:29:59.920 All right.

00:30:04.280 Bucket Clinger asks, what type of saber is it?

00:30:07.440 I said it earlier, but in case anybody missed it, it's a Model 1940 heavy cavalry saber.

00:30:15.360 They saw use in Mexican-American War and by both sides in the American Civil War.

00:30:21.580 This one particularly, we have good reason to believe is Confederate, and somebody mentioned it in the chat, but a lot of that is due to its lack of maker's marks on it and such.

00:30:34.340 Various European countries would import sword blades.

00:30:39.940 The ones that went to the Union were, you know, marked very clearly from the manufacturers.

00:30:46.180 The ones that made it to the Confederacy, not so much because they wanted to make sure that, you know, things didn't go the right way.

00:30:53.040 Technically, those were contraband and they were running blockades to get in.

00:30:57.340 So the makers and manufacturers in Europe didn't want to be attached to that, depending on the way things swung.

00:31:08.080 Our next question for Svan, what is relentless in Icelandic?

00:31:16.420 so okay that's interesting um i immediately in comparison was kind of i i got

00:31:28.580 unbending is what i was going for immediately and that's just steve it's like stiff but it's

00:31:35.460 that's a little more like unyielding or un unmovable um

00:31:40.340 um the uh miss miss good allows is the only thing and i don't know how to break that down

00:31:48.500 into its meaning of of unrelenting so what about this um google translate tells me it's

00:31:56.480 vague tharlaus they vague be with i don't know what the prop this is useful for me too when the

00:32:06.620 and the e are connected what is that letter called oh that's yeah that's v there yeah what is that

00:32:13.580 letter itself the a combo i don't know the grammatical term for it it's i always call it

00:32:22.860 the ae but it's fair enough that we're on that yes vegs are laus yeah so

00:32:33.100 that's where i'm trying to um so is that the same root for way as in the vague buzzer no because

00:32:43.580 that's v a uh yeah g um this is v a e g the d with the little slash f and then our laos

00:32:58.060 well so our laus is

00:33:01.980 let's say like because i you know i was looking it up as miss gunner laus

00:33:07.640 and so that's the problem is i can't break it down i'd have to go in and look up like

00:33:12.220 what miss gunner laus or uh your translation that you got but i got merciless so i'm wondering if

00:33:20.900 the laus is alone in the sense that the less part perhaps it's like a modern uh you know like

00:33:28.440 the saying of of less i don't know if that was in common usage or if it's just modern usage now

00:33:34.320 because i'm immediately trying to go into um like our comparative notes of old norse and

00:33:40.600 modern icelandic and uh yeah i got miss schooner laus which means merciless

00:33:46.520 but that's not entirely connected to relentless i guess in the in the usage of it as a verb

00:33:54.720 well so now you got me looking up etymologies and different things trouble is when i look

00:34:01.360 it up the etymology it gives me is in uh yeah miss schoonerlaus yeah miss schoonerlaus

00:34:13.120 this one i think according to uh the google search i just did we'll get back to the runes

00:34:20.540 in a second guys um is drastic so i think something is skewed in the translation or

00:34:28.640 maybe isn't a completely clean translation yeah i got this is fascinating and you guys get us

00:34:34.960 going down that rabbit hole we can we can go for a while yeah i got ruthless merciless and

00:34:40.900 unrelenting is kind of like the third one so i would have to look into it a little bit more

00:34:45.620 especially uh you know if you think about unrelenting is unyielding unmoving or something

00:34:52.660 of that nature but relentless is also kind of more of aggressive as it's moving forward so yeah the

00:34:57.860 idea is more unstoppable than immovable right it's moving and you can't stop it as opposed to

00:35:04.180 yeah but anyways that's the best we got on that um

00:35:10.580 the next question is why the stoles like christians do um for the same reasons that

00:35:19.560 chris that christians do it honestly uh the stole was not originally a christian garment

00:35:26.920 and certainly was not a jewish garment it was a uh hellenic and roman garment for uh educated persons

00:35:37.400 and at that time um scholarship in academia and learnedness in the pagan priesthoods

00:35:52.360 of aryan paganism were intimately connected there wasn't a separation like there is now

00:35:58.520 and it was a sign of someone who was who was knowledgeable who was educated was a wise man

00:36:03.800 through the learning schools of uh greece and rome and i think that through hellenistic uh

00:36:15.480 infusion of world cultures around the mediterranean through alexander's conquests

00:36:21.160 that various peoples ended up taking it on as a symbol of of education and eventually as a symbol

00:36:28.040 of uh priesthood in general but it's one of the reasons that the stole is you see stoles used

00:36:35.080 in religious services but you also see stoles at graduations um so that's kind of the crossover

00:36:42.200 there but one of the other reasons is it's an easily acknowledgeable this person is a clergyman

00:36:49.560 depending on whatever they're wearing whatever the context when they're wearing a stole it's

00:36:54.280 understood that that person is performing a clerical function and uh yeah so it fits our

00:37:01.960 needs very well there and it you know as i say it's not a it was never a specifically christian

00:37:07.400 or or jewish garment in any way it was it was an ancient roman or greek garment

00:37:11.800 man a little of course they uh one of the things worth noting too is in the modern sense

00:37:20.840 you know we could talk about like ties for instance and the idea that you know there was

00:37:25.140 a french nobleman who saw croatian soldiers with with these uh you know neckties on and

00:37:31.820 he liked it so much yeah they're caravat and um you know and but eventually this became

00:37:38.340 intrinsically Western. So there's a certain point in which I think that a lot of people can't wrap

00:37:44.900 their heads around is that we are also pan-European, pan-Western as well. And we acknowledge

00:37:51.780 that there are certain things that supersede the nations of our people and kind of become

00:37:59.840 a unifying factor that's ultimately Western in its acceptance. And over time, you know,

00:38:06.760 people now don't consider the tie or the collared shirt or any of these things to be, uh, cultural

00:38:12.960 anymore. They see it as like something you have to do when you have to show up for something,

00:38:17.060 uh, you know, they, they see it as kind of like, uh, I gotta go to court or I gotta go to a funeral

00:38:23.260 or I gotta go to a wedding. And they, they don't realize that there's deep cultural, um, unity in

00:38:30.100 the West in these kinds of things. And this, this goes forth for the stole as well. Um, you know,

00:38:36.260 you walk into a hospital and uh you're you know going to perform some you know you're going to

00:38:42.740 perform a bloat and ask you know the the gods to see off or or ask the ancestors to bear well a

00:38:49.380 soul uh when you walk in there no matter who is in there if they're a from western civilization

00:38:55.300 they're going to know immediately that you're there and as as a uh administer of final rights

00:39:01.860 um and I think it's also important to know that that Sven Bjorn Beattelsson he um he started I

00:39:10.400 think kind of the idea of it when he was doing there's a stole that's connected in the center

00:39:16.160 down the center and there's also like a tabard style and he was implementing that I think

00:39:23.400 in Iceland and he was to my knowledge one of the first ones that kind of

00:39:29.220 started a unique kind of clothing added on in representation. I know that in Iceland,

00:39:39.060 the Lutheran priests, they wear all black and they have these kind of frilled neck collars that are

00:39:47.460 very medieval or Renaissance style. And so even amongst them, the idea of like distinguishing

00:39:54.820 dress for the govi that was presiding was important and sven bjorn went that that route in you know

00:40:01.540 utilizing i believe is a white um like long tunic and a red connected stole in the center or or it

00:40:09.620 almost looked like a tabard of sorts so you know you have these these different names but people

00:40:13.940 get caught up on a lot of that stuff and i think it's worth noting that we have to see again our

00:40:20.180 unifying factors that are you know some of our greatest warriors of our people wielded sabers

00:40:24.980 they didn't always wield one-handed spatha style long swords from the nordic period um

00:40:33.140 so there's there's things that people get in grooved into and i think that that's

00:40:38.660 so a couple of well first uh swain bjorn's was much uh similar to the byzantine style of stoles

00:40:47.140 byzantine stoles connect down the center and you see that carried on in in greek and russian

00:40:56.460 orthodox tradition um but manner of dress is about communication so many things we do is

00:41:05.140 are about communication and i think in that way it's fitting to to bring it back to the runic

00:41:10.280 discussion communication is about effectively transmitting a message and one of the things

00:41:17.880 that i've noticed amongst our folk and some of this comes rightfully so but a lot of it

00:41:26.360 is difficult as everybody wants to do their own thing everybody wants their own little special

00:41:32.760 unique twist and it's almost just different for the sake of being different and when you do that

00:41:42.600 you lose a lot of the effect of things you try to communicate just like you know i say this about

00:41:49.640 we use the term also true we use it 100 of the time we use it exclusively we don't call what we

00:41:55.960 do odinism or heathenry or norse paganism or northern tradition or foreign say there or any

00:42:04.120 of those things because the more you disperse it out to a million different things the less

00:42:09.560 meaning that it has we want to get to where we say also true it has a meaning and people identify

00:42:16.040 with that that's just like the stole it means clergy in the west it is easily identifiable

00:42:23.000 people understand exactly what that is instead of us coming up with some

00:42:29.800 very very strange different thing to do that doesn't communicate clergy to anyone outside

00:42:37.000 of a very small group and everyone you know asks or assumes or it muddies the communication and

00:42:44.680 stoles communicate that hey this is a priest very clearly and uh just a barren perspective

00:42:52.280 the idea of the thor's hammer i'm not saying that our ancestors didn't wear thor's hammers

00:42:57.000 but what is known is based on archaeological finds of crosses and hammer molds for both

00:43:03.800 the usage or the wearing of a cross was very popular amongst christians and so what paralleled

00:43:10.440 that was our ancestors who were resisting against the invading faith started producing more thor's

00:43:17.560 hammers in correlation so you could even say like that the idea of of you know bearing a mark of

00:43:25.880 your faith um in because for for our ancestors there were they were not a persecuted edge they

00:43:33.000 were not a cult that was kind of coming up from the underbelly of rome it was the faith of the

00:43:38.200 people so there was no need to proclaim it upright so i mean to argue why stoles it's like well why

00:43:46.680 hammers you know i i try to and i'm not i say i have this to say about the hammers as well i run

00:43:52.840 into people who ah but thor's not my patron my my patron or my full truly is is odin why shouldn't

00:44:01.480 i wear a spear or it's frayer so i should have a bore or any number of other things again

00:44:10.440 why are you wearing it it's not wrong to wear any of those things certainly but if the point

00:44:16.680 of what you're wearing like the hammer originated as as delineating to people who saw it hey i'm

00:44:22.980 proudly i'm also true that's not communicated by those other things we're finally at a point where

00:44:29.880 i'm i run into that very often in that matter of fact i ran into it last weekend when i was down

00:44:35.720 Tennessee completely unrelated we were we were at a place um shout out to Bobby Q's there's a place

00:44:43.240 in uh Cookville Tennessee named Bobby Q's it's delicious I had the catfish it was awesome but

00:44:49.160 there was a guy behind the counter and he saw my hammer and he immediately understood that I was

00:44:55.880 also true and asked and and had something positive to say um so that's a people are becoming aware of

00:45:03.480 what that represents the more we wear any other symbol we don't get that same reaction so there's

00:45:11.080 a power and consistency of using it and that's interesting to point out another reason that it

00:45:16.200 came about at the time where christians were wearing crosses is religion in our ancestors

00:45:22.680 in our ancestor pre-christianity's experience was always an ethnic thing if you saw a scandinavian

00:45:30.440 they were obviously also true it wasn't that that's silly it wasn't a question if you saw you

00:45:37.000 know someone from the east you'd recognize you know that they were their ethnic faith if you

00:45:44.200 you know ran into any of these different groups of people you would understand that their faith

00:45:48.600 was ethnically linked to them as a group only with the coming into europe of christianity did

00:45:53.880 that become a question and you need to be like no i'm not one of those guys i'm also true

00:46:00.440 yeah i think the wisdom of what you said is that wearing things conveys or communicates it conveys

00:46:06.760 message and i that's huge wisdom that i think people need to get and it's right there clearly

00:46:14.120 but in this sense we're not doing it as a an obstructive sense we're doing it as a we are

00:46:19.240 western and we understand where this comes from and and we want to you know we're not coming in

00:46:23.960 with black metal face paint or spike armbands and just trying to like scare people no we want to be

00:46:31.640 respected in the west as with legitimacy towards all of the effort and the work that we have done

00:46:39.160 to build the church to the gods you know it's absolutely yeah so we got another question on i

00:46:48.120 don't want to acknowledge the question but i we can't speak to it because we haven't read it maybe

00:46:53.320 somebody in the chat was able to get to it better but is night side of the runes the book which

00:46:58.840 proposes that the secret uthark rune order that was used alongside the futhark order

00:47:06.360 i don't know if that's the case or not um looks like spawns got uh got some thoughts on that

00:47:14.680 so the uthark um and its usage was based off of um a theory in which there there was a

00:47:23.240 stone uh directly connected to it and i'm looking it up right now because as soon as i saw that i

00:47:29.880 was like oh um the uh i'm trying to see there was a sigurd agrel um yeah there it is the night side

00:47:43.080 of the runes so this is this is based off of i believe either a cipher that was written down

00:47:49.480 on paper or it was also based off of an engraving in which the the the first rune fail was was um

00:47:59.000 worn away or purposely left out and and or placed at the end and that has a lot of connotations in

00:48:07.000 and of itself because of the circular form in which a lot of times things were written uh futharks

00:48:12.760 were not often written just by themselves but often had um bind runes or um what is believed

00:48:19.880 to be ultimately numerical or linguistic spells written with them so having a feu at the end

00:48:28.920 possibly alluding to something else but yes um i when we talk about the placement of the futhark

00:48:37.720 the the there's a lot of debate around it and the the uh the uthark theory i think is interesting but

00:48:48.040 it has spiraled off into its own thing i think again for the need to be different for the need

00:48:54.840 for it to be more than what it is um in in that regards is you know we look at the numerics the

00:49:03.320 biggest thing i would say is understanding that there is uh the elder futhark and we know that

00:49:09.400 the goths use it we know that the um anglo-saxons used it because theirs written later had additional

00:49:16.200 runes added on but they still maintained uh the order of the runes and so the only thing we can

00:49:22.600 do is really boil it down to two swedish rune stones or oh excuse me one swedish rune stone

00:49:28.120 and one uh metal medallion and those two are the ones that we have the most complete

00:49:33.480 understanding of the elder futhark because by that time um in the in the nordic regions they

00:49:39.480 started doing admixture they were doing elder mixed with younger and then younger eventually

00:49:44.360 evolved into uh even a short staffed um type of writing form and so it was it was becoming vastly

00:49:51.960 popular and um was changing greatly so when we talk about the numerics of the futhark understanding

00:49:58.840 that some of them have been switched over time and in this case the the proposal is is that

00:50:05.160 it was it was dropped um but i think that there are so many accounts that show the futhark starting

00:50:14.760 with fehu that it's pretty much it may have been a niche group of people trying to uh apply that

00:50:25.400 but i we have too much evidence in in relation to both the anglo-saxon the vatsten of breck day

00:50:32.440 and the kelver stone all start with fehu and these are spanning a hundred years to multiple

00:50:39.720 hundreds of years and so i think that kind of like blows that theory out of the water

00:50:46.200 all right the next uh question uh this one's for you svan i have a question is it correct hi svan

00:50:54.280 i have a question is it correct that the name for the germans in icelandic means people's defenders

00:51:01.720 okay so the field and theuskaland theuskaland is germany and it it has it has it means the

00:51:16.600 the land of the people so it the defense part i don't know i would have to actually

00:51:22.280 look and see if maybe there could be some sort of um defensive uh place put in there

00:51:29.480 that translates according to google translate the suffix not for germany but for germans is

00:51:39.640 well oh that's the of his people

00:51:47.880 it could be like similar to warden in the word in old english uh i would have to very

00:51:54.840 are there yeah like i and here you are the same suffix well so norm i mean and that's interesting

00:52:02.280 too because again when you talk about like the greenlanders the green they were called grindland

00:52:08.040 inger and the inger is people or or men men um people from the menfolk from greenland

00:52:15.480 so inger is normally used but they're using that um what's the spelling on that again

00:52:22.280 uh spelling is thorn j o with the dash over it uh ed v e r j a r

00:52:34.760 okay um yeah i'm gonna have one well we we can move but i'm gonna look up something on that

00:52:45.400 the the harrier suffix in all's harrier gothi and anine harrier meaning warrior comes i thought from

00:52:55.000 the uh the prefix hair i thought the hair or the war band was what got it not the yar so i'm curious

00:53:03.400 what's fawn finds out this is this fascinating it's also fascinating on kind of a side project

00:53:09.080 that the gothar and uh ourselves are working on too so maybe that's why we're getting a little bit

00:53:14.840 obsessed with the questions when you're asking about the icelandic but i think it's good

00:53:19.160 um also another icelandic question slash comment what about uh

00:53:27.880 oh there over over geese for a relentless translation yeah i i was i saw that as well but

00:53:37.560 But it's, again, it's like unforgiving or, again, we're talking about the idea of like relentless in the sense of moving forward, unstoppable.

00:53:50.820 So unstoppable or un, yes, unstoppable would I think would be far more in line with what we're looking at as opposed to like unrelenting or, you know, ungiving or.

00:54:06.660 so if it helps as uh

00:54:14.020 because you speak icelandic and you would understand how to add

00:54:17.620 lists to adjust the word but relent itself means vikya

00:54:28.420 this is getting me like all kinds of like i'm like pulling stuff right now

00:54:31.940 so it is vikya so i don't know if there's a way to say vikya less in icelandic but something to

00:54:42.660 think about well and compound words are you know common both in old norse and in icelandic especially

00:54:48.980 when dealing with translating english or latin based words um next one here is a little bit of a

00:54:57.940 a move away from from our icelandic discussion that this has evolved into

00:55:02.820 uh question for svan what is the significance of lagu's coming after manas

00:55:10.900 the first ariel man but before ingva's seed descendants given that odin was walking by the

00:55:19.780 shore when he found ask an embla so that is a great question in the sense that i mean presuming

00:55:29.380 that we're we're in reference to um manas and the creation through odin but if we're not talking

00:55:39.620 about that then this could have other significant meanings for instance the the uh the coming of

00:55:46.900 information from the gods coming from heimdall over you know he's being born of water there is

00:55:55.380 a usage of that there's also another interesting point is that shield sheafing was mentioned in

00:56:01.300 beowulf uh coming over the water in a as a baby in a boat could also have ties to ingwas obviously

00:56:12.340 shield sheafing being uh lord fray or lord ing or the lord of the angles or uh you know

00:56:22.900 as you could interpret possibly even an avatar of lord fray coming over the water and then

00:56:30.820 bearing forth bounty but i think that it's you know when you look at it strictly from

00:56:37.540 from the uh creation with Odin um you know then it then it doesn't quite it doesn't look right

00:56:46.600 but if you take that out because I think that more uh more of the understanding would be

00:56:52.420 built around the os or the ansu's rune and the sacrifice that is made there and the joy amongst

00:57:01.500 the gods as we move along and in that um you know the the creation of mankind as a establishment of

00:57:11.740 of the people um you know and then being uh that odin creates breathes life into the people but

00:57:20.540 they are not faded they are they are barely they're they're new and they then attain the

00:57:27.100 knowledge of heimdall over the course of generations many waves if you will um some

00:57:35.580 people have taken that to mean that lagu's kind of represents the waves of of of conscious

00:57:40.780 knowledge coming into the folk through heimdall in the form of rig but so

00:57:51.580 something that we that we need to consider is there's not just one correct answer the runes

00:57:56.220 are layered with lots of different meanings and you can draw a lot of different understandings

00:58:04.540 from their sequence especially when looked at like you're looking at but if you are looking at

00:58:15.740 men as being the first aerial man as you said and engla's being the seed or descendants

00:58:26.220 a man to descendants, what links them is fluid in a number of different ways,

00:58:37.460 literally blood, also literally semen. That's kind of obvious, but I think it's worth stating.

00:58:47.980 Yeah, that connection there, again, if we were to say substantially,

00:58:54.640 manas is the creation of the folk by odin then it would seem like how does that relate in into

00:59:02.640 ingwas but if you think of mankind and the descendancy their blood or the inlaying waves

00:59:09.680 of consciousness from heimdallar and then the encapsulation of that knowledge and ingwas

00:59:14.800 and the fruitfulness that's born out of that then it becomes kind of more understood but these are

00:59:20.400 all again interpretations as i was here ago they said sequences are hard to really make absolutely

00:59:27.760 clear because when you look at them the sequences sometimes have changed and um their meanings can

00:59:35.520 be read very very differently something to point out about lagu's in our esoteric usage of it

00:59:43.200 is it very often is a mode of transportation of things when we use it in the alu formula for

00:59:51.600 example we associate that with the meat or the ale that transfers our gifts our blessings between us

00:59:59.760 and the gods between the gods and us but we also see that in a traditional bloat structure is

01:00:06.880 representing that blood of the animal so it representing life-giving fluids is you know

01:00:14.960 well attested in a lot of the things we do as well next question

01:00:24.080 i'm not sure what it is referring to because it kind of starts mid question would that refer to

01:00:31.120 the danverk which is now in germany rather than on the border back up okay there i'm sorry it

01:00:39.200 specifies back to the german in icelandic thought process i think nick threw that in there too so i

01:00:47.520 didn't mention what i mentioned before i read the question okay so i'm still i'm actually looking

01:00:54.720 there because you know uh looking at like right now i'm trying to get into the old norse version

01:01:02.880 of what exactly everything that i'm pointed at right now currently is that german and the

01:01:12.960 is all in reference to the the people failed in like old uh anglo-saxon failed means a nation

01:01:22.400 or a people and so even the icelanders are you know in in root and now i'm looking at old norse

01:01:27.920 to see if there's a difference is that there is clearly connections to the people but when we get

01:01:33.920 into the latter part that's the part i'm i'm looking at and the first thing i'm i'm focusing

01:01:39.680 on is the the the translation that would be closest to like warden of people which again um

01:01:46.640 um, would have connection, but I don't know how, like, I don't know how much in common use

01:01:52.880 that might be, uh, utilized in, even in modern Icelandic. Like I, you know,

01:01:59.980 Thiska, Thiska, or just Thiskas, you know, everything's been kind of shortened down.

01:02:05.400 So I don't know. I'm, I'm looking as to what that might correlate to. Like for us, for instance,

01:02:10.300 they call us you know uh america or or um for american and but the actual name is bandaricanum

01:02:19.100 and so that's just a mouthful so they shorten it down so i'm wondering if these guys just

01:02:23.500 shortening down of that that's what i'm looking at right now

01:02:27.180 sent me on a tizzy and i'm we're in the middle of a proposed question for a relentless translation

01:02:32.620 is vikia laos question mark can you throw in laos at the end of it to make it relentless

01:02:44.940 uh gc the the ask for the question that's what i would do

01:02:49.340 i think it's sound logic but i'm also not nice

01:02:54.620 oh where it is right here laos

01:02:56.380 i don't know but no uh

01:03:04.940 i am right there you guys got me looking up stuff like on detail in these tiny little prints all

01:03:10.060 right well i'll go ahead and i'll answer this uh question 12 while you do that uh morris taylor

01:03:15.580 asks if someone is vocal about defending white interests and becomes a target of leftists should

01:03:21.500 Should they refrain from being associated with the AFA?

01:03:24.580 Absolutely not.

01:03:25.920 And I want to put that into context.

01:03:28.200 But if what you are doing is advocating for our folk, then no, I wouldn't want you to

01:03:35.640 distance yourself from the AFA.

01:03:37.540 We're proud of that.

01:03:39.680 That's good.

01:03:41.460 Now, you mentioned just being vocal about defending white interests.

01:03:45.520 If you are engaged in anything that's not legal, then certainly we wouldn't want any association with that. If you're engaged in things that are crass and malicious and hateful, we wouldn't want associations with that.

01:04:03.060 but assuming assuming that you're not then no we wouldn't want people who are going out there

01:04:11.720 trying to put in the work politically or socially or whatever else to support our folk to have to

01:04:17.620 distance themselves from our church no not at all so please if you are please feel free to

01:04:25.680 you know be involved in things that you're passionate about just do it with nobility

01:04:30.740 with class and in ways that are you know within the within the laws of the nature nation that you

01:04:37.380 find yourself in and that is the end of the questions we've got lined up so far so we're

01:04:44.900 going to get to rune number two here in just a second i'm still like scouring laos is of course

01:04:52.980 loose uh so i'm i was immediately looking up miscar to see our miss gunner to see where um

01:05:02.820 uh the loose uh but laos is loose like we have to take a take a break from the icelandic study

01:05:09.460 for a moment we'll get back to our runes do keep in mind that you can ask questions on any of the

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01:05:32.660 oh no no i'm sorry i'm sorry my fault my fault my fault i can read a promise in futhark and in

01:05:38.420 english number two rule number two urus um can you tell people about urus that are unfamiliar

01:05:49.140 and never heard of it before so when we move uh the interesting thing about the first two runes

01:05:54.340 and another mystery to ponder about is the um the concept of mobile wealth being in the form of

01:06:01.140 cattle in its symbology and then immediately following that there is the primal the wild

01:06:10.820 or the untamed or untamable um cattle so again there's a double emphasis on cattle uh in relation

01:06:20.820 to the rune right out of the gate showing the importance of cattle to our folk but in this

01:06:27.860 case we're talking about urus urus is uh you know symbolically seen as perhaps the high shoulder low

01:06:36.980 rump of of a wild um ox or what is what was uh basically an aurochs is what they're called

01:06:44.740 a now extinct form of um bovine that was that roamed wildly in europe and throughout um

01:06:55.300 western russia um this the emphasis on this the uh un

01:07:01.940 untamed cattle and it's interesting in that regards because the the idea of the cattle being

01:07:10.620 tamed versus having untamed we we think of that normally or naturally when we think of horses

01:07:16.320 there's the horses that we have and that have been raised and and broken in to be used within

01:07:23.320 society and then there's the wild horses and so we there it's not too hard for us to conceive that

01:07:30.000 but it is hard for us to conceive wild, you know, cattle roaming. Um, but the best way to see it is

01:07:38.480 of course, like bison or, um, or an ox, if you will. Um, the, the name Uruz is the modern

01:07:46.160 reconstruction. It's closest to the Gothic, uh, word, which means auroch. Um, though by the time

01:07:54.860 of um anglo-saxon it meant more like an ox a kind of more stout built uh less you know um

01:08:05.420 controllable uh cattle and so there's a relation there between primordial and wildness and the

01:08:12.620 strength of the urochs and also just kind of the the more brute strength or health and vitality of

01:08:20.140 an ox versus um cattle and when we you know when we look at this rune urus is is immediately

01:08:29.820 associated with health immediately associated with vitality immediately associated with vigor

01:08:36.460 and strength so we have the fee rune that it's you know surviving in our language under the word fee

01:08:43.420 which is like a payment but again the idea of wealth and mobile wealth and then it shifts over

01:08:48.540 into more primordial strength and um the idea that of of say expansion and mobile wealth or

01:08:59.660 expansion and power and then there's more of one of my favorite words the galvanizing of power

01:09:05.820 under urus there is this uh packing down this constraint of power that that is showing up in

01:09:15.740 the form of urus and that takes the form of health it takes the form of um strength of iron or uh you

01:09:23.660 know the the the good foundation if you will um strength from the earth as opposed to perhaps

01:09:31.500 say like heat or fire or water when we look at the rune poems so urus is the auroch or the oxen

01:09:39.420 rune it's the second rune and again the mystery of those two being right next to each other right

01:09:43.740 out the gate um but it's it's the rune of health it's the rune of strength it's the rune of vitality

01:09:50.060 uh um anybody in in usage would immediately say like if you were to look at uh you know what

01:09:58.780 runes could mean or what runes would i use in relation to money the first or wealth or property

01:10:07.100 the first thing we're looking at is fee if you're looking at health strength and the return

01:10:13.260 to the to the wholeness of self urus is the is the next room that you're going to look at

01:10:22.220 so also with urus everything that's fawn said but with the added layer of primal um

01:10:34.220 um it has the same word in it that ur ur means primal um the more you so it it's

01:10:49.500 strength and vitality and health but those things drawn up from you know those ancient layers drawn

01:10:59.740 up from yourself drawn up from within the earth drama drawn up from the beast uh primal

01:11:08.620 powerful animal nature of mankind um it very much has that raw very primal might to it and uh the

01:11:21.500 there's some linguistic issues on its confusion between the words for rain and the words for the

01:11:33.020 aurochs and i think some of that comes out in the rune poems um the old norwegian rune poem reads

01:11:41.420 dross comes from bad iron the reindeer often races over the frozen snow

01:11:47.500 old icelandic rain is lamentate lamentation of the clouds and ruin of the hay harvest

01:11:55.780 and abomination of the shepherd but old english the rune poem says the aurochs is proud

01:12:05.300 and has great horns it is a very savage beast and fights with it with with its horns a great

01:12:12.740 ranger on the moors it is a creature of metal also in uh odin's rune songs the ur rune in the armen

01:12:32.020 a second i know which the sons of men must sing who would heal the sick so again that association

01:12:39.540 with it being a healing room i want to kind of share a couple experiences that just putting it

01:12:49.220 out there when i've been asked to do healing rituals and when i've done healing rituals

01:12:54.980 the primary room that i've focused on in those has always been

01:12:58.340 uwus and i feel like that's worked very well in the past when those rituals have been before performed

01:13:09.540 And one thing that I got to do that was kind of cool is when I was in Denmark at the National Museum in Copenhagen, going through there, and we just stumbled upon it out of nowhere, but there was an intact aurochs skeleton that was preserved in a bog, I believe.

01:13:32.740 it was of a young aurochs but it's still like its shoulder height was as tall as I was

01:13:39.620 but in Denmark it's really cool because everything isn't roped off and plexiglassed in and whatever

01:13:46.920 so I got to get right up there and I wasn't supposed to but I I touched this aurochs skull

01:13:55.920 very gently and i galled urus into into the face of this of this uh urox remains

01:14:05.500 and it was really powerful there uh for a moment it was kind of a special moment i had there

01:14:11.060 um something to uh miss gunner is mercy and laus is loose so loose of mercy or the idea of law

01:14:23.180 like the losing of mercy so that's uh even the old norse definitely checks out on that one so

01:14:31.420 might not be it's that's again a combo word utilizing the ability to try to

01:14:38.220 convey an idea in another language without it equating to the exact thing in swan you

01:14:45.980 need to call up your countrymen because i think we're on to a winner with vikilaus

01:14:50.140 i want to i want to know if vikila sounds like a word and if they recognize it as a word or is

01:14:55.180 conforming to the word rules well and i i just wanted to bring that up as i'm as i'm moving

01:15:01.900 along here um i'm getting to that and then i'll be getting to the german part too um but it's also

01:15:09.420 the the urus rune i think more importantly when we look at it it's you have expansion

01:15:17.340 and then condensement because even if they talk about the the iron being slag that's that's uh

01:15:24.060 you know the dross is beaten out or when we talk about the rye mice forming from the rain

01:15:29.740 the idea that there is loose coming into solidification urus is about wholeness and it's

01:15:36.540 about coming something coming together when things are expanding they are powerful but if they

01:15:41.820 maintain that they dissipate so the ultimate idea is is that these first two runes kind of symbolize

01:15:48.300 expansion and then condensement and i think that's something worth noting whether you go

01:15:53.420 at it from some of the the the rune poems um understanding of water and the understanding of

01:15:59.340 of dross and rain um and and knowing that you know a a person of runic knowledge in anglo-saxon

01:16:07.820 and phrygian england or holland would have a very different conceptualization of what that

01:16:16.380 means contextually if i if i was to say you know we're talking about this is about the the

01:16:22.460 condensement of something the bringing together of something and the way that they express that

01:16:27.340 and in in they express the the wholeness of something whether it's in the form of liquid

01:16:33.900 becoming solid or whether it's in the form of strength being you know made um there's a huge

01:16:41.820 sense that urus is uh kind of it's not in juxtaposition but it's just a different direction

01:16:49.740 whereas fey was coming out and all of its power is coming out there is a condensement going in

01:16:55.180 and i did see something in the in the uh side chat here somebody was talking about

01:17:00.620 how um the usage of the anglo-saxon names versus these the the the names that we use uh these

01:17:07.020 reconstructed names are more closely related to gothic worth noting and gothic is older than

01:17:13.180 anglo-saxon so if you are one of those like we need to go for the oldest source kind of are uh

01:17:20.460 the only difference between like urus and urus is the s and the z and that has just emphasis

01:17:27.420 you know on the the throat sound um but these uh these reconstructions more guide themselves

01:17:34.460 towards gothic the only reason why is because there's a couple of anglo-saxon and of course

01:17:39.580 the nordic ones don't they they stop at 16 because they were uh greatly changed the younger futhark

01:17:46.460 so you know the big two that you would be looking at if you were really grinding away at them at the

01:17:53.020 words the names of the runes um you're looking at gothic and old english and you'll find that

01:18:00.060 the reconstructed are not very far from um gothic so it's just worth noting i saw that in the chat

01:18:08.940 so before i get to the questions i want to take a moment to plug two afa events that are going on

01:18:14.700 in august that you guys should be aware of and you should absolutely attend if you are able

01:18:20.220 We have Freyfaxi at Baldershof. That's their national event that they host there. That's

01:18:32.080 going to be on the 18th of August. And it's a beautiful and amazing place if you have never

01:18:39.580 been there. That's in Murdoch, Minnesota. We would love to see you guys there. If you'd like to

01:18:46.220 attend and you're a member, please do. If you would like to attend and you're not a member,

01:18:51.360 we'd still love to have you. Just make sure you check with your local folk builder and they can

01:18:55.680 get you set up for doing that. But I'll be out there and I'm looking forward to seeing you guys

01:19:00.280 there. Also in August, we have the Texas Harvest Feast. That's showing up a little bit small on my

01:19:12.100 screen but it looks like it says in dallas texas so that's going to be in dallas if you guys can

01:19:19.540 make it there that would be great our folk builder justin day is putting in a lot of work to make

01:19:24.500 sure that's a special time for everybody so it would be great if you guys could show up to that

01:19:30.580 and like i said if you're a member you should absolutely reach out to justin show up if you're

01:19:35.460 not a member you should still reach out to justin to see about showing up um brings me to something

01:19:41.220 else if you're listening to this and you're not a member why not um there's you know different

01:19:48.660 people that listen to this for a different number of reasons that might exclude them from being

01:19:52.820 eligible for membership but if you are a heterosexual white person and you believe in our

01:19:58.340 gods or at least open to the belief in our gods you should think about joining the afa we'd love

01:20:02.820 to have you as part of our family um so please do that give that a thought and nick threw up a link

01:20:09.060 but those of you listening on spotify it's runestone.org and there's a join link on there

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01:20:33.620 share all of it but we appreciate that that you guys do back to the questions spawn is there a

01:20:42.500 suggested book on runes yeah we kind of covered that last last go round i think depending on

01:20:50.100 what level you're talking about if you're talking about introductions we did talk about that we

01:20:54.740 talked about um the uh illustrated guidebook to the runes by nigel pennock that was the one i would

01:21:01.700 recommend just because it gives you both history and overlay and an understanding of the different

01:21:09.300 epochs of the runes and and he is not um particularly uh pc or speaking in the

01:21:17.940 political sense correctly for the party um instead he he outright says these are the these are the

01:21:24.980 times that they were used this is why they were used this is where they come from and he shows a

01:21:29.220 a direct correlation between um why the younger futhark came from the elder and um why the anglo

01:21:36.980 frisian came from the elder and why um the germans used the runes from the medieval runes that they

01:21:43.780 had so it's really nice in the sense that he's just he's more neutral about it and he just explains

01:21:48.660 everything out and then talks about some of the concepts of the way runes can be used whether it's

01:21:53.620 in divination or whether it's in the utilization of what I guess would be called formulative will

01:22:00.740 magic, if you will, in, I guess, the neo sense. It's the word we use. So yes, in the magical sense

01:22:09.720 and then also just covers everything from even internal work. So if you're not comfortable or

01:22:16.560 understanding of those things about internalizing and using them as more like symbols of

01:22:22.460 meditation and understanding and also um mantra styled galder so that would be my recommendation

01:22:29.780 uh just from me swan are you aware of nigel pennock's book that he's got out about runic

01:22:38.000 astrology yes uh that's that's an old one and it's really really good it's interesting

01:22:43.240 because he correlates the idea that the younger futhark because it was broken down and and um

01:22:49.480 And Dr. Stephen Flowers does the same thing where they were may have utilized it to hide secrets or to utilize them for they broke them down because they were somehow being disseminated out.

01:23:03.680 and Nigel Pennick's usage of the, specifically of the number 24, as opposed to the Anglo-Phrigian 32

01:23:12.400 or the younger Futhark 16, 24, and its significance of both the division to 12, the hours, the houses.

01:23:22.280 There's a lot of astrological stuff that he places in there.

01:23:26.960 And I don't know. I think it's interesting because I don't understand personally the the connections between like we don't have information, a lot of information on the astrological signs that our ancestors may have been more familiar with, like, you know, Arendelle's toe and and Thiazzi's eyes and what exactly they they mean, because you haven't found any star maps to survive that.

01:23:53.000 um so he's bridging some spots there with the hellenics which isn't bad but you know you have

01:24:00.960 to you have to be open to it because some people might look at it and be like oh it's it's too

01:24:05.820 astrological and then that might go into you know that's too i guess it's the opposite of

01:24:10.580 christianity where it's like it's too like mall witch or something but he does a very good job

01:24:15.520 And this was long before the popularity of like, I think, you know, like your common Zodiac kind of hobbyist.

01:24:25.340 He's, he's keying in on it, you know, a long, long time ago.

01:24:30.180 And he does create a really good correlation between the 24 elder Futhark of the Vatstenebrekte in connection to astrology.

01:24:41.700 yeah somebody brought a copy to uh seger bloat and i took a look at it looked really interesting

01:24:47.300 i'm curious to read more on that yeah i had a copy but it's it was uh destroyed in i had it

01:24:54.180 before i went in the marine corps and it got destroyed while i was overseas so you know i

01:24:59.940 need to get another copy all right well our next question i have another question is it wrong for

01:25:10.420 afa members to go to a christian church service at sundays so that's an interesting question

01:25:21.780 yes with a caveat um yeah if you're going there for religious instruction certainly um i think

01:25:30.100 that there is a fine line between participation and observing i mean i could if you were in a

01:25:37.380 class in college about comparative religions and you attended a service for that purpose that makes

01:25:44.820 sense if you went to a christian church to attend someone's funeral because that's where they you

01:25:50.820 know that was their faith and where they wanted their funeral that makes sense or attend a friend's

01:25:55.620 wedding or attend a special event that's important to someone who you know who's a christian

01:26:00.740 that makes sense but just going to regularly attend church service no that would be inappropriate

01:26:08.100 or and again i'm not assuming on your question i have no idea i'm answering these questions for

01:26:13.220 for you who asked but also for anybody who might be listening um it's also something to think about

01:26:21.680 if you're going to a christian service for a spouse or for a family so you or for you know

01:26:28.640 parents or something. So you can go along and get along and not really tell them that you're also

01:26:34.300 true. That's not, that's not right. Courage is certainly one of our values and it's important.

01:26:41.840 And I can understand that it's difficult, but it's important to stand up and be authentic about

01:26:46.100 who you are and what you believe. But I mean, you're not going to catch fire if you walk into

01:26:51.280 one, if you're there to observe, you know, a special occasion for a friend or a family members

01:26:56.900 of yours then you know that that makes sense but no you don't want to be part of that congregation

01:27:02.620 and you you want to be honest about who you are and what you believe um i i immediately thought

01:27:09.720 of like the well actually as well you know they probably had jesus statues on top of the stallers

01:27:14.760 with the gods and i think that that's one of those things i hear often where people will say like oh

01:27:20.780 they were just open to having whatever. But if that was the case.

01:27:26.140 At a very late age of degeneracy in the dying embers of our faith while they were converting,

01:27:32.540 that may have happened. If King Athanaric would have seen that happen, he would have chucked

01:27:37.280 that statue into the fire and the person who put it there. Yeah, I think we can see that

01:27:44.440 there's an evolution of our faith and our amicability towards other faiths. And we see

01:27:50.060 them spectrum through time again with the with the the reichs the reichs of the of the guttons

01:27:55.740 would forcefully chuck out they forcefully chucked out ufolas um when he was trying to bring

01:28:03.040 christianity to the goths and his his uh arian christianity and um but then at the same time

01:28:09.340 we see like in eric's saga where he throws an axe over the hill because his son lever decides to

01:28:17.280 convert his mother and she won't uh have relations with a heathen man as she says um and so uh eric

01:28:25.340 eric eric the red eric the red was a little upset about that when she wanted to build a chapel

01:28:31.180 chucked an axe over a hill so that he didn't have to see it he said i'll bear i'll build you a chapel

01:28:36.740 wherever that axe lands so he built her the chapel but you could see there was contention there

01:28:42.700 Something to think of. We have a strange paradox within our faith of our written sources come to

01:28:56.020 us most clearly the closer we get to the twilight of our faith. So we get a very far removed from

01:29:05.320 the golden age view of, you know, the dying embers of Alcitru. And that's the lens that we see.

01:29:12.700 But, you know, if historians a thousand years from now uncovered artifacts and watched gangster rap videos and saw them all with blinged out Jesus pieces and crucifixes, it doesn't, you know, make them St. Thomas Aquinas.

01:29:32.760 They happen to have a relevant cultural thing, but it's in a very degenerated state at that point.

01:29:39.880 and i think it's certainly we love our lore and it's very very important to us we don't

01:29:45.880 throw the baby out with the bath water but it is important to try to scale that back and envision

01:29:51.560 what our ancestors would have done in a in a age closer to the golden age of our faith

01:29:56.920 and i think that's useful and one of the reasons it's important to celebrate

01:30:00.600 our heroes from earlier times before you know before the viking age

01:30:06.360 um so the next question question are either of you aware of the backbreaking program seeking to

01:30:17.640 restore the aurochs in Spain and how do you feel about it um I was unaware that it involved breaking

01:30:26.220 people's backs to get us back though but I am I didn't know I thought I had thought that the one

01:30:36.840 that I heard about was in like Poland but I am aware of efforts to re um like

01:30:46.980 to rebreed into existence closer and closer breeds to the original aurochs

01:30:56.660 and uh i think that's fascinating i always have thought that was fascinating what else i

01:31:01.820 have heard about that is i feel similar in some ways is projects that i've heard about in

01:31:07.900 russia to try to reintroduce the woolly mammoth by you know doing some some dna stuff and

01:31:15.640 incubating it within a, within a modern elephant and such. I think any of those things are

01:31:20.820 fascinating. Um, I mean, we've, we've all seen Jurassic park. Uh, I think that we've seen

01:31:29.720 cautionary tales of this kind of stuff, but I think it's really interesting. Um, it's fun.

01:31:35.720 What are your thoughts on it? Well, and I, I'm familiar with that. And the last I heard is that

01:31:40.060 they were kind of projecting the idea of how they would do it. They hadn't gone through with it,

01:31:45.080 at least that's the last i read on it um and i know that this has kind of been uh along with a

01:31:52.680 huge amount of uh research done especially with like the mammoth that they found in siberia

01:31:59.320 um the i think it's a baby mammoth it's genetic genetically it's super you know intact and um

01:32:07.320 they're talking about the the idea of possibly bringing back you know um the woolly mastodons

01:32:13.960 in in relation to the fact that they could use an indian or african elephant to to uh produce the

01:32:19.960 child um but it's so far as i know they're not right they're not ready to press that threshold

01:32:26.360 and i'm i'm i'm fascinated by the the science and the idea of it um i think that perspective

01:32:34.040 wise we got to think there are a lot of um species that we we as you know humans and

01:32:40.040 And many other animals have destroyed completely, whether it's cats or, you know, just anything of that nature.

01:32:47.280 But there are also, again, bison have come back because of our efforts of, you know, bringing them back from the near brink of extinction.

01:32:55.640 The idea of bringing things back, you could look at it in a purist sense.

01:33:00.960 They're not actually that. They're hybridized forms and whether that's good or not.

01:33:07.480 we have done that with breeding from dogs and cattle and horses so much that to to like you

01:33:14.600 know turn our nose up at it or or to uh you know immediately point and say it's it's you know

01:33:21.320 atrocious is kind of not being honest i think it's really cool and i want to make a note so i

01:33:26.440 got a i got a note that it said back breeding and not back breaking i want producer nick to verify

01:33:32.440 On my end, on my question that is on question number 15 that Nick sent me, it says backbreaking,

01:33:39.460 I promise you. Backbreeding makes a lot more sense. It does. It makes a lot more sense. And

01:33:45.480 it is what I assumed the process you were talking about was. I think that's really neat. And one

01:33:52.340 thing that I do think is kind of different. So a number of really ancient species that died out

01:33:59.480 died out for reasons unrelated to man.

01:34:04.120 And there may be something to be said for.

01:34:09.080 You know, the environment or whatever's out there and it being.

01:34:14.000 There's a difference in my head, not that I think either of them

01:34:17.360 is particularly wrong or bad, but something that the only reason

01:34:21.440 it's extinct is because mankind either bred it out of existence

01:34:25.720 or hunted it out of existence.

01:34:29.080 i see no compelling reason not to reintroduce that that's you know something we broke it's

01:34:34.440 something we can fix um i mean i think it would be terrifying to do that with the moa bird in

01:34:40.920 new zealand for instance but i think it'd be really interesting and if wasn't for you know

01:34:46.440 maori hunters in the 1800s that would still be around um i don't see a huge ethical dilemma on

01:34:56.040 that yeah it's the idea of the moral question i mean we've been told for so many years like the

01:35:00.360 dodo bird was you know uh evil europeans came and then it turned out no they were kind of on their

01:35:06.120 way out as it was um and you know it was actually the animals that were brought with them that

01:35:12.840 really ended up causing you know eating their eggs and things so like this happens all the

01:35:17.800 time but from a moral standpoint yeah that's a great point we have broken things we can fix

01:35:22.120 things because they do so and that is i think uh interesting so long as we temper that with

01:35:29.800 like a a sense of um i mean that we're not out creating uh you know abominations for i don't

01:35:39.800 know the sake of just seeing if we could do it but that's that's the interesting thing is like

01:35:44.440 cloning and things like that have gone that route but they're using back breeding because they

01:35:49.000 understand that there are gaps that need to be filled with living um existing so if they didn't

01:35:56.920 exist that would be interesting in and of itself like we couldn't just like revitalize it's the

01:36:02.280 the fact that we're utilizing things to kind of help and it's important to and we can get fanciful

01:36:09.960 on some of these other more ancient creatures but wasn't the last aurochs around

01:36:16.200 within the last 150 years

01:36:20.440 like i thought there was a breed of aurochs that survived until relatively recently

01:36:28.300 um but either way uh the next question is completely different but i think still a good

01:36:37.200 question do you guys think if one is gay or trans do you think they can be cured

01:36:44.400 would people who say they used to be gay or trans but are not anymore

01:36:48.640 be allowed to join the afa i think those are two different questions but very closely related

01:36:55.840 questions um i think as an objective question things can always be better than they are so

01:37:10.720 So if you were gay and you wanted to try to fix that, I think there's a lot of things you could

01:37:21.800 do to make your life better. If you had, if you are suffering the mental illness of considering

01:37:30.480 yourself transgendered, I think that there are a lot of things you can do to make your life better

01:37:37.200 matter what stage of that you're at certainly some stages it's easier than others i think

01:37:44.800 one of the questions with that and

01:37:50.320 it may not be fair but it is very honest and is what it is

01:37:55.920 if you're a woman that was gay for a time you can come back from that and you're relatively unscathed

01:38:03.120 uh at least as far as dealing with other people or joining the afa is concerned if you're a man

01:38:08.720 it's really different once you're a man and you've chosen to consensually engage in that behavior

01:38:16.160 it affects things different and it it alters that you would not be allowed to join the afa

01:38:22.000 uh if you were transgenderism involved and again it's it's very similar a man that tried

01:38:31.120 to transition into being a woman and then fixed it if it was known about would would not be

01:38:38.080 accepted into the afa whereas the other way around um if a woman tried to transition into

01:38:46.320 a man and then went back assuming no surgery was involved they'd probably be allowed to be in and

01:38:52.240 And one of the really hard things is there's some things that you literally can't cure and fix.

01:39:04.700 If you go to the doctor and have your reproductive organs mutilated, you can't get your reproductive capabilities back.

01:39:15.000 um to my understanding you can't get your proper sexual function back if you were to have those

01:39:21.840 operations done to you as well um and when i talk about the the homosexuality or the you know

01:39:33.100 identifying as a different gender thing i'm talking about adults who are doing that out of

01:39:38.140 a choice that they're making consciously not children who are being abused it's a very

01:39:42.380 different thing. If your parents abuse you and try to raise you as a girl when you're a little

01:39:48.920 boy, there's a lot of damage there, but that's not on you. And that wouldn't preclude your

01:39:54.660 involvement in the AFA in any way. But it is something that probably has damage for the rest

01:40:00.920 of your life mentally and emotionally. But that's the answer I've got on it. Do you have something

01:40:08.920 ads fun i would i was just saying that the uniqueness of it in relation to the room that

01:40:13.560 we're on right now and i know that i just like how is what how are you tying that in again

01:40:17.960 wholeness is a huge thing wholeness of mentality and mental health is just as imperative to the

01:40:23.480 wholeness of body health urus is about that that wholeness holiness and the idea that once you

01:40:30.280 start breaking that apart there is a healing process that can come back from that but there

01:40:35.640 is also the there is the the uh accumulative damage and or even notoriety or infamy or or

01:40:46.360 whatever your your deeds like kind of preclude you in certain things like that and that's very hard

01:40:52.360 to come back from amongst a community when you're trying to come into a community so you know you

01:40:58.840 have to take that into consideration that that community is looking at you and they have the

01:41:03.320 right to measure your deeds that you committed before you try to join it and they determine

01:41:11.480 whether or not that that is there and that that's that's the one of the biggest reasons that

01:41:16.600 perspective of of wholeness of mind and wholeness of body is very very important and and should be

01:41:23.080 considered um you know for if if you are that person or let's just say you're not that person

01:41:30.440 but you're surmising it about someone that's something that they need to consider before

01:41:35.960 they try to enter a uh a community that is you know spiritually and um physically and mentally

01:41:44.120 united as one um then you become kind of an anomaly that has shown it and and again there

01:41:51.480 is a lot of debris left in the wake of modernity modernity has churned people out churned children

01:41:59.480 up there's lots of horrible things we could talk about uh there's good things of modern stuff but

01:42:04.600 there's a lot of bad stuff and so coming into a community that's seeking that wholeness of the

01:42:09.720 soul the mind and the body and you exhibit you know again uh scars and mentally scars physical

01:42:18.280 scars spiritual scars that community has every right to look at you and judge how they're going

01:42:24.040 to accept you if they can accept you and and that's on that that's an ever-changing basis

01:42:30.120 because people that come into our community sometimes it's it's not fully known when when

01:42:35.080 you have somebody who has a mental problem or a spiritual problem or a physical problem it's not

01:42:39.960 fully known and those those um the knowledge of that is ongoing and if things change it could also

01:42:46.600 present itself to be uh you know you may be accepted and then suddenly it's like no wait a

01:42:51.800 a minute there's something clearly wrong and you get ousted out again so it's entirely based on

01:42:58.440 the community at large and their ability to protect and uh maintain their integrity and

01:43:04.760 that doesn't just happen at the gate too there's it's there's a lot that happened before you showed

01:43:09.880 up and there's a lot that could happen after you enter in and all that could lead to acceptance or

01:43:14.920 expulsion absolutely um the next question did the popular vikings show give a boost to interest

01:43:21.960 in ausitry um absolutely it did um some of that interest was

01:43:31.000 so a lot of us who were around during that period when that show was very popular

01:43:37.240 you know immediately our hackles get up when you mention it because a lot of things were really

01:43:42.200 cringy um they were full on with the you know reimagined barbarism and reimagined roadkill

01:43:52.040 shoulder pelt stuff and things like that their portrayal of our folk during that period as well

01:44:01.880 and specifically as our our gothar like the gothar on that show were these strange like

01:44:07.800 mutant or lipless yeah strange mutant inhuman creatures there was a lot of misinformation on

01:44:17.080 that show but it did you know awaken a popular interest in alsatru now it got a lot more

01:44:26.680 you know edgy degenerate folks sniffing around than it did yield us great people but some some

01:44:36.680 great people came out of it it was interesting and as much as as many things that i hate about that

01:44:43.640 show it was really nice i remember watching the pilot episode and to hear to see i think ragnar

01:44:54.680 on that was having the this thing on the beach where he was seeing visions of odin and uh talking

01:45:03.000 about our gods and that was really interesting to see in popular culture in that way and i don't

01:45:08.920 think that we'd seen a lot of that at that point so it did raise a lot of interest a whole lot of

01:45:17.480 junk came with the good things we got out of it but we did get some good things out of it

01:45:24.360 i swear about my ancestors and the holy gods i've only seen that first episode

01:45:28.680 i have not watched the entirety of that i've seen bits on youtube but never like a full

01:45:35.080 after that first episode and it wasn't because i actually have any great rejection to it i

01:45:40.600 i really liked the depiction that they had of odin and of of the uh the ascendancy of

01:45:46.680 the souls of the of the warriors on the field i thought it was very quite nice um but

01:45:53.640 you know i saw little bits and pieces from here there on out but i really think that

01:45:57.560 what it really is that just a an observation that i had much like when you think of um irish

01:46:03.960 culture when you think of like irish whether it's gangsters or perhaps british irish when

01:46:09.560 we're talking about like peaky blinders and um a lot of these things where you have

01:46:15.800 kind of a celebration of uh um an ethnic group in the in the white like

01:46:22.760 like overgroup um people i think a lot of folk who are desperate for identity because that's slowly

01:46:31.480 been eroded away so viciously over time they gravitate towards these things and oftentimes

01:46:39.000 they don't do it under um the idea of coming into it with piety and with faith or with

01:46:45.960 they they do it at first and foremost as a form of rebellion and that's not always bad

01:46:52.040 but oftentimes that next step isn't something of good production it's it's usually more rebellion

01:46:58.840 and then it's like why are you guys doing this why are you doing that and why that's not what

01:47:02.760 that's not what ragnar would do or it's like that kind of mentality that but there are people that

01:47:08.680 have come into it and then they understood oh you know our ancestors they had a lot of different

01:47:12.760 ways and um you know now looking at historically we see them as you know they're wearing bright

01:47:17.320 colors and they've got you know gold and they have they're speaking poetry and um they're not

01:47:22.760 covered in mud 24 hours a day um uh you know i remember people arguing about arbitrary things

01:47:29.880 like they didn't dye their hair yes they did they absolutely dyed their hair and he's um but then

01:47:35.400 they're not talking about the mouth of sauron godis that are like spitting black blood and

01:47:41.240 like i was just like nobody's talking about that at all that's kind of odd i would say if you want

01:47:47.480 to get a hollywood um a good depiction of aussitrew um in relation to historical referencing

01:47:56.440 is beowulf with um what's his name that played uh leonidas um in 300 um scottish actor i

01:48:07.400 I, it's off the, it's off the top of my head right now. Um, he, uh, he was in a, a rendition

01:48:15.080 of Beowulf. And again, it goes into modern sense where suddenly the humans are kind of the bad

01:48:19.820 guys and, and the, and the bad guys just misunderstood. It does devolve into that.

01:48:24.460 And it also makes a play that, that, um, that Grendel is a Neanderthal. So it goes into that.

01:48:32.440 so i'm just warning you now but in the beginning of it the movie shows icelandic horses it shows

01:48:39.840 period clothing and it shows a bloat being conducted in which the hall herod is actually

01:48:46.480 being blessed by a govi and the folk are being blessed by a govi as they're standing around

01:48:51.380 a hork so that i thought that was amazing but then it then it kind of goes off into

01:48:57.280 other stuff that so at least Gerard Butler is the actor that's the guy but yeah yeah I think that

01:49:05.860 it's odd to me that modern movie makers because there have been a number of renditions that have

01:49:10.960 come out they seem to miss the entire point of Beowulf well yeah I think they do it because

01:49:16.200 heroism is even they made reference in it in uh the Beowulf animated one that the heroes are dying

01:49:23.840 but in a way they're kind of facilitating that understanding that the age of heroism is dead and

01:49:30.960 modern they miss all of the key points of it unfortunately but just a random side note if

01:49:37.520 you haven't read beowulf read beowulf it's amazing it's fundamental it used to be go without saying

01:49:44.080 that you were familiar with it if you were involved in alsatru but that has not been the case for a

01:49:49.680 while it's absolutely some core core material you should be reading historical note i was off

01:49:56.160 by a couple hundred years last urocs died in poland in 1627 yeah i was gonna say the 1600s but

01:50:02.640 i couldn't remember and yeah but um the next one uh and do you think humanity is going too far

01:50:11.840 uh with all this new technology like ai artificial intelligence since it could come

01:50:19.680 uh since it could come to live and destroy us and with things like how it could

01:50:30.240 i'm not sure if that's a typo or if i just am unfamiliar with that term

01:50:34.240 maje art for humans make i i don't know um

01:50:43.040 this is written like it's an add-on to an all right there we go that's where it's

01:50:48.640 add on to the question that's where i'm all right cool my scrolling i apologize so this question is

01:50:53.040 from finn wraith and i won't mess it up i'll ask the first one first and then the second one

01:50:57.440 do you think people bringing back animals that have been extinct for thousands of years is

01:51:01.520 unnatural absolutely it's unnatural um air conditioning is unnatural too i think that

01:51:10.720 it is worth asking if something is natural or not but i think the why it is or it isn't is

01:51:16.080 very worth asking and i think that does touch on what i did mention earlier if it's an animal that

01:51:22.160 went extinct due to natural environmental causes untouched by human hands that's one thing and that

01:51:31.760 may be right maybe wrong maybe whatever but that is a different kind of unnatural if humans are the

01:51:38.320 cause of an extinction doing what we can to re to fix what we broke i don't think that has the same

01:51:49.040 level of unnaturalness and i think that the cause is reasonable to consider just like

01:51:56.240 technological advancements by their very nature are all unnatural to one degree or another

01:52:02.800 There are some that are unnatural in how fundamentally wrong they are, and there are some that are unnatural because it's, you know, us innovating and creating our own things instead of just nature.

01:52:18.000 I mean, clothing is unnatural in the most puritanical sense of the word unnatural.

01:52:24.300 but to your next question and do you think humanity is going too far with all this new

01:52:31.920 technology like AI artificial intelligence since it could come to live and destroy

01:52:37.180 come to life and destroy us and and the other things

01:52:42.000 um it's a really interesting question it making hank hill do covers of other people's music

01:52:55.900 is fun and entertaining one thing i do think is really scary is uh the deep fake stuff where

01:53:06.860 it's extremely hard to trust any footage of anything that we see or anything that we hear.

01:53:16.640 It's to the point with some of the deep fake things that, you know, you could have somebody

01:53:22.060 on videotape saying and doing things, and you can't trust that that's accurate or not.

01:53:28.120 That's scary and concerning to me.

01:53:29.980 One of the things and one of the important fundamental elements of the Astro Folk Assembly is our desire to explore space.

01:53:48.360 And Steve McNallan has always been one that thinks, and this is true, in order for us to be eternal as a people, we would need to escape our solar system and branch out to different solar systems because at some point the sun, you know, will die.

01:54:06.160 And when the sun dies, life on Earth isn't going to be possible.

01:54:09.620 um so that comes to this if we're going to travel those distances in any way that we currently

01:54:20.000 understand an amount of artificial intelligence becomes important um i don't think i'm nearly

01:54:26.960 the hardliner on our artificial intelligence that some other people are but there are absolutely

01:54:33.300 many, many different doomsday scenarios with that. We've all seen Terminator

01:54:39.000 as entertaining as that is as a film, the concept makes sense. Those concepts make sense in a lot

01:54:49.000 of ways. See, I don't think you're going to put the genie back in the bottle. I think it's there

01:54:58.600 and exists. It's a matter of how you're going to harness it and how you're going to use it.

01:55:02.080 some usages are are bad and inappropriate and some are uplifting and empowering for our folk

01:55:09.100 obviously the you know the powers that be are not necessarily looking out for our best interests

01:55:17.040 with that and that is certainly a very big concern um i don't but i don't think the answer

01:55:22.000 is an all or nothing kind of answer what what do you have to say on this fun i think um one thing

01:55:28.940 to consider is i had a wise wise friend tell me that everything is a war for resources so um one

01:55:38.780 thing that in relation to say for instance like artificial intelligence is are we a resource are

01:55:44.540 we not a resource is there something that can be bridged to the point where we're not able to be

01:55:50.060 utilized anymore or needed anymore in order to propagate create you know those things uh right

01:55:56.860 now when we talk about artificial intelligence we're not talking about you know like um real

01:56:03.180 labor or real construction um it still is the the power that it wields that expansive power

01:56:10.780 that it wields is in a layer a crust layer of society that i think it might have a very hard

01:56:17.900 time breaking out of that that the information age the the visual age the screen um and even

01:56:26.140 uh audible you know communications um artificial intelligence really seems to thrive there

01:56:32.300 but outside of that crust layer right now it doesn't have a lot of power or influence or

01:56:40.080 um ability you know there's there's people that are you know doing quite well uh not even really

01:56:45.860 homesteading but just ranching if you will um or you know landowners that are out there doing things

01:56:52.380 um that you know can do fairly well as far as like society and and messing things up again

01:56:59.940 to what degree other than perhaps if there's some sort of logical end game that it all has to end

01:57:07.580 for the sake of ending I'm talking about the idea that intelligence would consider itself

01:57:12.960 propagating itself and a war for resources remove the competition so now it can have its resources

01:57:19.500 um then you know we're we're we're that would exclude total societal collapse but it would be

01:57:27.640 societal manipulation and that's pretty scary i think that people are easily manipulated now

01:57:32.740 when it when you when you talk about um again uh you know i was seeing like the facial apps that

01:57:39.820 were coming out and where people could be looking down at a you know a piece of paper and we were

01:57:45.220 joking about it before with me and my terrible camera from before the ai swan is that you know

01:57:49.720 you could be looking down and reading a script but the the um the video shows your face looking

01:57:55.140 and never breaking contact and i think we see some of that going on now uh there's a lot of

01:57:59.840 strange stuff videos and things like that that are i think might even be like glitches of that

01:58:05.060 kind of application and people are wondering like what the heck's going on but i think it's like

01:58:09.240 These are like technology snafus that are kind of happening before our eyes.

01:58:17.000 But yeah, again, does AI have the vested interest in ending things for the sake of ending them, reproducing for itself and removing us as a competitor for resources or utilizing us?

01:58:29.800 And these are all very dire kind of doomsday things.

01:58:32.940 I think that we as folks have always kind of encountered dark horizons with our chins up and our fists clenched, ready to go.

01:58:41.760 So I'm not stating that we should be in this mindset of like, you know, it's just a matter of a time before we're all plugged in like toasters.

01:58:50.460 No, I think that, you know, when we get involved in the idea of communications, you know, like there's still people out there.

01:58:59.860 this is the part i'm more scared of is that we rely so much on technology we lose morris code

01:59:05.360 we lose ham radio we lose homesteading those people are in dire straits and we should always

01:59:11.740 be mindful of learning those techniques for the sake of remembering and enjoying and being

01:59:18.300 appreciative of where our food comes from and where things come from but we shouldn't also be

01:59:23.620 like i'm not going to use any of this stuff ever simply because you know it could there could be a

01:59:30.300 robot out there that's you know it's gonna skynet's on the horizon um i don't think that's a

01:59:37.720 good way for us to think of it in that doom and gloom we have to rely on our intuitiveness our

01:59:45.300 ability to adapt our ability to fight and that really involves our wisdom of not giving ourselves

01:59:53.080 wholly to modernity i mean that's kind of what our our tentative spiritual pace is as a people

02:00:01.000 is to not give ourselves entirely to to modernity we're not closing it off and we're certainly not

02:00:06.600 saying like we're gonna go amish or we're gonna you know worship the gods only in shoulder belts

02:00:11.560 um and you know and only use the you know you close yourself off on one end we're not doing

02:00:17.860 that but we're not wholly giving ourselves up to modernity and that means that we are pacing

02:00:24.980 ourselves in an understanding of you know what what we can do next we have to be adapted um

02:00:33.060 you know a lot of this came about too i saw this when we were talking about

02:00:37.220 like is there somewhere in the lore for there to be beards or uh to stand up against the vax and

02:00:43.620 or you know or what have you and the ultimate answer to that is no in the lord there isn't

02:00:48.660 anywhere stating and we know our ancestors shaved their faces and didn't shave their faces for

02:00:52.900 multiple reasons there's nothing in there which which odin decrees that you have to grow your

02:00:57.140 beard out um again you know uh there's nothing abstaining from health the the usage of of health

02:01:06.420 systems to help you live longer and better lives with a higher quality of life we don't want to

02:01:13.140 shun that either um but you have to have the ability to say no i don't want that we have to

02:01:18.260 have the freedom to say i don't want that um and that requires us to not wholly give ourselves up

02:01:23.940 to the modern we should be able to go forward when we see fit and to dig our heels and say wait a

02:01:30.260 minute this is not in right with our people this is not right with our souls this is not right with

02:01:36.580 our minds know and you know and be willing to fight if if that's the case where we're you know

02:01:43.780 we stand up for ourselves we actually don't say well you can see right here in clause text

02:01:49.460 paragraph here i'm supposed to grow my beard it's like no you you

02:01:57.220 do and and and give oath to what you're doing as as in the military so that in that case

02:02:02.100 you relinquish because there isn't but then there's other things where it's like no i don't

02:02:05.860 want things you know in my body i want to be able to stand up and say no and do that or at least have

02:02:10.580 the freedom to do that um so we have we need to have that back and forth we need to have the both

02:02:16.740 paths and i think closing out and saying it it's skynet and elon musk head drones coming out with

02:02:24.740 laser beams you know we can't say that's going to happen we can utilize a lot of this too i mean the

02:02:32.340 information age with ai is is starting it's on a it's on a cusp uh or it's on a dawning of a new

02:02:39.060 way in which we can formulate a lot of information and pass it down like that which we may never have

02:02:47.300 before um but at the same time being able to dig that heel at the at a moment's notice when it's

02:02:55.220 like we're not okay with this that's within our rights that's within our spiritual right as a

02:03:01.700 people to do that all right um next question if you were asked to say grace at a dinner hosted by

02:03:11.300 a christian what should you do refuse or is there an appropriate prayer one can offer um

02:03:20.820 so that has happened to many of us and i think

02:03:26.740 the first step and use some common sense do the people there know that you are also true

02:03:34.660 if they don't and they're assuming that you're christian then it would probably be rude

02:03:40.180 not to ask permission or check with them before doing this but if they know that you're also true

02:03:48.580 and they ask you anyway then by all means do a meal blessing um don't do a neutered um

02:03:56.580 non-denominational version do an also true meal blessing everyone there would absolutely do a

02:04:03.060 christian blessing if if you are the audience so that's an opportunity for you to show actual

02:04:10.820 reverence to our gods um and there's many ways to do it um svan do you remember alan's um one

02:04:19.700 that he does yes absolutely spawn i'll tell you allen's here in a second um i tend to whenever

02:04:26.980 i pray in general just kind of do it from the heart a little bit more but traditionally we've

02:04:32.900 done things in the sign of the hammer the holy names of odin balder fray and thor may this food

02:04:40.020 be blessed may these folk be blessed may it bring us closer together we give thanks to the folk who

02:04:47.540 prepared this for us to the animals that gave their life that we might be sustained and then

02:04:54.420 hail the gods and i think that's a completely appropriate thing to do in any occasion when

02:04:59.780 you're asked to give an opening prayer at a meeting or a meal blessing at a dinner um

02:05:08.900 it's easy to say that but i understand when the spotlight's on you it's often more awkward but

02:05:14.660 But I think the more of us that do that, the better we are.

02:05:17.320 And I think refusing misses that opportunity.

02:05:21.800 Svahn, what are your thoughts?

02:05:23.420 And can you share Alan's meal blessing with folks?

02:05:26.100 Absolutely.

02:05:28.220 I think, you know, even at our,

02:05:30.100 so another thing that would be,

02:05:32.380 I think if, say for instance,

02:05:34.300 if somebody maybe new to Alcifer

02:05:39.800 and they come in to my house and, you know,

02:05:43.700 We sit down at a meal and all of a sudden the whole family starts saying out a food blessing.

02:05:50.200 Why are you doing it like the Christians?

02:05:51.600 Like that might be the first thing that kind of pops up into their head.

02:05:55.780 But that's what we do.

02:05:57.380 We give thanks all together.

02:05:59.880 I think that's a good thing.

02:06:01.160 I think it's also a nice thing to say if there's something that works with other people and it can work with us,

02:06:09.160 then there's, there is no reason to reject it, especially in the idea that we are giving total

02:06:15.420 reverence to the gods and the ancestors and where the food comes from and why the food is there to

02:06:20.160 begin with. If you're doing all of that and you're taking that moment, our ancestors did it oftentimes

02:06:26.040 overall before they, they conducted a holy meal. There's nothing saying that they did it for every

02:06:32.240 meal, but there's nothing saying that they couldn't or they wouldn't, or they, you know, again, it's,

02:06:38.260 it's, it's, um, it's picking and choosing. We know that they did meal blessings before

02:06:43.480 large feasts. So, you know, uh, the, um, the usage of, uh, uh, if you're being asked

02:06:51.960 and they don't know your house are true, I think that, um, at that point you might as well just

02:06:58.940 roll right into it because again, anybody of any other equivalency of religion would do just the

02:07:04.860 saying uh so there's no point in holding back in that uh that regards giving thanks to the holy

02:07:12.400 gods giving uh thanks to the aesir and the vanir and the ancestors and the lanvetir that helped

02:07:21.100 with you know protect the food and cultivate the food however you want to do it go all out and then

02:07:26.320 if people have questions you know they might they might lead to a great conversation if they don't

02:07:33.020 you know top it's it's you know it's on it's on them it's this is your faith if you if they do

02:07:38.780 know i don't think there's any problem with that i have kind of um been at meals where one side of

02:07:44.700 my family's is uh catholic and the other is um non-denominational christian spiritual and then

02:07:53.900 my family is distinctly ousatru and um they just know if if i'm gonna lead the fruit prayer

02:08:01.740 that's what they're getting um but yes uh the the food prayer that i like to use

02:08:07.420 the reason why i like to use it is um because of the ability to teach the children uh about

02:08:15.500 who we consider important in our spiritual landscape we consider the gods and we consider

02:08:20.860 our ancestors to be very important so um when i first heard this food prayer from our law speaker

02:08:28.220 um Witten Alan Turnage um I fell in love with it and during um COVID I actually you know I fell

02:08:37.880 sick from COVID and I was upstairs and my son coming up beaming with pride as he led the family

02:08:43.760 on saying the blessing of the food um struck such a chord I recorded it and I sent it to Alan and

02:08:52.360 just to let him know like this is what you've done this is something that you may not have even

02:08:56.480 intentionally thought of when you were doing this but now look how your fame is growing sometimes

02:09:03.680 with the seeds you you know don't even think are going to grow but um yeah the food prayer is we

02:09:09.760 bless this food to might and main our bodies need to fill to keep us hearty whole and hail

02:09:16.160 so we may work our will ancestors guide us walk beside us help us in our needs keep us on the

02:09:21.520 path that is true because we are our deeds hail the gods and and generally like my my youngest is

02:09:28.960 he's starting to learn it already and he can repeat it with us he's not saying it with us

02:09:33.200 totally but he's getting there and of course sometimes he just likes to rabble rouse and

02:09:38.480 yell hail the gods at the end because that's his favorite part um but what this does is it has

02:09:43.760 brought our family together it has built our entire day around the idea of when we're going

02:09:48.640 to have dinner when i'm coming home from work and when the children need to settle down and tv

02:09:54.000 screens are coming off it has created its own ecosystem and it's all culminated in that line

02:10:01.360 in that prayer so i think there's there's some benefit to it perhaps for the modern folk um

02:10:08.000 in modern usage of it and uh in general i've heard some great prayers from all the go thaw

02:10:13.680 and giveyas that i've been present when they're doing food blessings from the heart so if you

02:10:18.400 feel that you know memorizing something might not be good for you that's fine too but i think that

02:10:24.480 there's a huge amount of usage in it and i think there's a lot of people asking for it

02:10:28.320 what do we say during meal blessings well say this it's it is good

02:10:35.600 absolutely our next question is what is the afa's opinion on body modifications such as tattoos and

02:10:43.600 piercings don't look ugly um honestly this is one of those things that is a tremendous gray area

02:10:54.480 the afa doesn't have any specific policy on tattoos and piercings that is a fashion choice

02:11:02.240 we live in a time and place where it's very prevalent and you know some of those things

02:11:10.480 aren't uh aren't easily fixable or reversible if you regret them down the road or find yourself in

02:11:16.480 a different group of people and want to change your tattoos you kind of got what you got or you're in

02:11:22.160 for a long process um the biggest thing with everything else with dress with anything else

02:11:31.680 the afa standard that we push for is we want our people to look their very best

02:11:37.760 um that means different things in different circumstances you know i think dressing your

02:11:45.400 best is really important when you're able especially when you're doing religious rights

02:11:50.040 um but i mean you may have seen at the beginning of the broadcast when i was doing

02:11:55.100 religious rights at the cigarette bloat i was wearing a tank top and shorts

02:11:59.720 i was just too hot and humid to do anything else um there's a time and a place for a lot

02:12:07.180 of different things. There's tattoos that are that are beautiful and look amazing. And there's

02:12:13.900 tattoos that are silly and that are ugly and offensive and everything else. There's tattoos

02:12:20.680 on your face that make people have a certain opinion of you. There's piercings that are

02:12:28.340 subtle and may look nice. There's piercings that are hideous and take up, you know, huge parts of

02:12:36.520 your face and look gross. A lot of that's personal preference, and it's not the intention of the AFA

02:12:43.760 or myself to try to legislate all aspects of your appearance in your life. But in general,

02:12:51.160 our standard is to try to look noble, to look dignified, and to present our best foot forward

02:12:57.300 when we meet people and when we interact with people and when we interact with our gods.

02:13:03.520 um trying to always be at our best and appear our best is a fundamental value beauty is a

02:13:13.300 fundamental area in value and so we want to exude that and that is a wide a wide category that

02:13:23.180 different folks have uh different opinions on um there's definitely

02:13:28.660 you know i i personally have no tattoos i personally have no piercings it's not out of

02:13:36.240 any moral indignation about tattoos i just never got bit by the tattoo bug and haven't gotten one

02:13:42.500 yet can't say i wouldn't ever consider getting one but i you know haven't really made that

02:13:47.820 something that i'm particularly interested in um there's facial piercings especially on the ladies

02:13:55.900 that i think are just well i say that i suppose it's on the guys too that i really find rather

02:14:01.660 disgusting and don't like but there's other people that you know think that looks amazing and

02:14:08.140 i disagree with them and because this is my program right now i'm going to claim that i'm right but

02:14:14.700 i'm aware everybody's got a different choice on that and i think it's

02:14:18.060 it's something that we're we don't want to push people towards and like svan mentioned earlier

02:14:22.700 beauty standards amongst our folk have evolved and gone through you know a myriad different changes

02:14:30.300 and incarnations over the over the course of our folk um so there's there's not a thou shalt thou

02:14:38.380 shalt not answer to that question this would be a great time with the needle in reference to the

02:14:45.820 next room the third room thorn third is us thirst we got one more question and then we will get to

02:14:54.860 that okay i'm just throwing that as a reminder don't spill the beans in case people don't know

02:14:59.020 what rune three is no um we'll get to that we have one question first uh i have a question

02:15:06.220 is whit and brandy coming soon to vns episode uh it's not that i don't enjoy the wisdom of matt

02:15:12.300 and svan but i just want to know if she is coming back absolutely when i'm not sure if you she

02:15:19.580 co-hosted for me last week and it was her and gothe trent east last week so she is around she's

02:15:27.980 on stuff um when we'll have her as a guest where it's her and i i'm not sure uh next time she will

02:15:35.260 host uh she'll fill in for me i'm not sure um but yeah we always love to have brandy on here

02:15:42.460 i was just talking about putting our best foot forward um putting brandy on here is always a

02:15:47.260 good move to to advertise our uh you know the best things about the afa so we'd love to have

02:15:52.940 her home whenever she wants to be um and with that swan can you tell these people about thurs

02:16:01.500 as as if they've never heard of it or completely unfamiliar okay so the third rune and it's it was

02:16:08.220 in the thumbnail the third rune is iconographically seen it's the it's the thorn rune or it is the rune

02:16:16.780 of catalyst change it is the rune that i think has a great amount of mystery behind it in relation to

02:16:24.460 whether or not as benevolent or malevolent and that kind of comes from its history and usage in

02:16:29.980 different groups but this rune is is referred to as therizaz and therizaz is more in direct

02:16:39.580 like translation when it's compared to say gothic it means that it actually means the strong one

02:16:46.060 or the the beneficial one which is odd again this adding more of this kind of uh

02:16:53.340 back and forth, you'll see as we go into this, how it kind of does portray a light and a dark

02:17:02.340 to this rune. Therizaz is the strong one. It's the rune oftentimes referred to as the thorn.

02:17:11.140 That's predominantly from the Anglo-Saxon. And the usage of thorn motifs in our stories

02:17:19.220 is prevalent and uh enough to the where it's mentioned enough holding its weight um culturally

02:17:27.700 to have a significant meaning especially in relation to say like the sleep thorn or um if

02:17:33.540 you're into reading more of the lore uh uh skierness mall which is the story of fray sending

02:17:41.860 lord fray sending his emissaries the the glintening one the shining one skirner ahead of himself as an

02:17:49.140 emissary to his future bride um there is references again there and in those references both of them

02:17:57.460 one is involved into great torpor slumber and the other is absolutely a like malicious attack

02:18:04.820 so thorn has this thurizaz has this deep um general sense of of both a leos light leos and

02:18:15.460 a lot of the the merc merc kind of uh feelings to it this is often referred to as the giant

02:18:23.700 also because the word thirst in old norse is a type of uh jotun and um the uh the idea of

02:18:33.540 of an elder being but a more primordial being one that perhaps stands in opposition to thor

02:18:39.220 and this is often of course referred to as the rune of thor um and that again is showing that

02:18:46.820 that um the best way i could describe it is the rune itself is shaped much like the bow of a ship

02:18:53.540 and as it moves forward the lure of it spreads in two directions some of it is is always positive

02:19:01.140 and some of it is always negative and it leaves awake and in essence that's kind of the power of

02:19:06.420 of the rune so when we're talking about the runes in all of the lore what i have always been taught

02:19:14.340 to key in on is the emotions and the power in which the rune um exemplifies itself in the world

02:19:22.340 so with with with fee or fehu fehu is expanding with urus it's condensing and with thurzaz it is

02:19:32.500 it is catalystic it's ripping asunder or creating a rift between that which is in front of it a

02:19:40.020 barrier or just general existence um and so we have this this sense of movement and that is to

02:19:48.020 sum up all of the lore what this rune does is it it wedges itself and so it is a rune that has both

02:19:56.420 a the dichotomy of light and dark um you know it's uh when we talk about the rune poems um

02:20:04.900 first off the anglo-saxons they speak of you know sleeping amongst the thorns cause great pain

02:20:10.180 to anyone who sits amongst them so in a way it's it's uh it's like a self-infliction of pain the

02:20:16.420 wisdom of it being of course that um much like if you if you were to lay amongst the bed of thorns

02:20:22.420 if you're laying malice about you have the chance of laying within it and it can then hurt you just

02:20:29.540 as equally um whereas in the norwegian and in the uh icelandic there's references to it is the um

02:20:40.340 it is the bane of women and this might throw people off but there is a sense where first and

02:20:48.180 foremost the the nordic references of this rune were utilized in the skirnismal in which skirner

02:20:55.860 is utilizing this rune to in essence uh force the the the holy garder that to meet with lord frey

02:21:09.540 so you can say oh well that's kind of terrible that sounds horrible but when you look at what

02:21:14.260 the story is the story is fray is coming into the world he is bringing forth the fruitfulness

02:21:22.260 of the world and the cold earth of winter is unrelenting and not willing to to relinquish

02:21:28.980 so the ray the sun the the light the warmth of him is sent forward to thaw the ground so it it

02:21:37.380 there is a lot more going on there than simply you know uh some human sending his friend to kind of

02:21:46.480 i don't know like threaten a love interest it that's not what it is at all um you know gather

02:21:54.500 is is um as she becomes after their union she becomes one of the gods and is worth

02:22:01.560 um honoring and you know we get our name garden from her that is it's in relation to um so in a

02:22:11.340 way this rune can have both the the necessary uh catalystic effects in order to create life

02:22:21.720 so oftentimes this this rune is seen as a rune that if it comes up or if it is utilized it's

02:22:28.260 utilized to break away from problems and things that are kind of binding situations down. It's

02:22:35.740 seen as the shape charge to, you know, throw and blast a hole through the wall. But in that, again,

02:22:44.120 you're still using explosives and they're dangerous. So people can get, you can get hit

02:22:48.080 with them. So there's an air of warning behind it. And it can be utilized for good or it can

02:22:54.160 utilized for ill uh there is the mention of course in that specifically that there are three

02:23:00.720 and this is interesting that three thorn runes i will i will carve against you and then there's

02:23:07.520 a litany of issues that go along with that um and some of them are just very very uh highly

02:23:15.200 they're they're bombastic uh the idea that she she will not be able to walk she'll have to crawl

02:23:21.120 and her knees will bleed and every horn that she drinks from will be the swill and the poison or

02:23:26.400 the excrement of goats and it's just it's a it's or not the uh the urine of goats it's it's it's a

02:23:33.280 bombastic kind of poetic moment in which there's like just so much dread in in the carving of the

02:23:39.520 three runes the three thorns against um uh gare there that she she finally relents and says okay

02:23:46.880 i'm not going to mess with this we're not going any further um that shows again the power and the

02:23:51.680 and the belief of of the runes but there's other things as well it's used in defense uh the the um

02:23:57.840 the carving upon the shield in order to fight against or break the blades of your enemies

02:24:04.720 um are associated with with this rune so thurizaz is a rune that i believe

02:24:13.680 we've in my usage of it has always been either to purge and to create growth, to start to break

02:24:23.540 stagnant existence and to spurn on growth. And oftentimes that can be painful as things start

02:24:34.200 to move. The other is clearly in defense. When someone is moving against, the idea of placing up

02:24:43.660 this energy to keep them at bay is also. So again, the dichotomy, that wedge, there's movement

02:24:50.520 forward and breaking barriers, and then there's these stabilizing and creating barriers. So

02:24:56.100 surzaz is a very dynamic rune that that constantly shifts between the um the give and take the push

02:25:05.940 and pull um the projection of of protection and the reception of of um injury and so the the rune

02:25:17.540 itself is oftentimes in divination is seen as a cathartic room in um if it's read positively if

02:25:25.860 it's red leos and then it is seen as something of a necessary um change that's going to come

02:25:32.900 and it may be painful but it is necessary and then other times when it shows up in merk

02:25:37.700 oftentimes it's a poisoning or a slumbering or a self-infliction oftentimes uh indicative of of

02:25:45.380 of you know experiencing violence or very very drastic in its meanings when you read it um

02:25:53.380 in relation to other runes so uh that is one of the why i think most notable rune

02:26:03.300 vitkis that that have written books have always spoke about this room with great care with great

02:26:08.980 caution because it is the first rune where you start to get the motion isn't out or in it's

02:26:15.220 through and that is um that's again can be dangerous so the uh the sound of the rune is

02:26:23.540 the th sound again so as before with fehu it's the f the f sound of the lips the urus is the

02:26:31.860 oo it's uh the first of the the vowel sequences in the first family of eight um it's the first one

02:26:39.220 so it's an open mouth ooh uh sometimes utilized uh in in writing uh or the typical u usage of

02:26:46.660 whatever your native language is um and then this one is the the the th sounded even in its mouth

02:26:55.620 shape it is the protrusion between the lips it's the it's that thorning between and so it has that

02:27:03.060 kind of sense of the only way i can again explain it is like a bow of a ship cracking through ice

02:27:10.500 there is light and there is dark but it is clearly separating uh that which is or dividing and uh

02:27:19.460 creating systems in which it formulates and it formulates through breaking things apart

02:27:25.620 And this is often associated too with Ymir. Ymir is of course the primordial Jotun of the middle. A lot of people get that confused. They think about, they don't think about the Jotuns of Maspelheim or the Jotuns of Niflheim, but there is the, the middle in, in Ganungagyap, there is Ymir and Ymir is often associated with this rune as well.

02:27:49.000 And what he represents is not only in his potential for violence against the middle and shaking of the tree and tearing down the structure of order, but also too in his receiving the slaying, there was potential in his death.

02:28:10.540 So he was projected and receptive at the same time in this kind of energy of what this rune really represents.

02:28:19.000 it's a it's a one of my favorite in the in the in the essence of the mysteries behind it

02:28:24.520 all right so the uh

02:28:31.480 room poems tell us um the old norwegian room poem reads thirst causes anguish to women

02:28:40.120 misfortune makes few men cheerful in the icelandic room poem thirst is torture of women

02:28:47.720 and cliff dweller and husband of a giantess, Saturn's thane. And the Anglo-Saxon poem says,

02:28:55.400 the thorn is exceedingly sharp, an evil thing for anything to touch, uncommonly severe on all who

02:29:02.200 sit among them. And what is a bit more esoteric, the stanza related to the Dorne rune in the

02:29:19.120 Arminen runes. A third I know, if sore need should come, of a spell to stay my foes. When

02:29:25.920 I sing that song, which shall blunt their swords, nor their weapons nor staves can wound.

02:29:36.440 This is the rune lore that comes down to us. And then, you know, in a modern sense and

02:29:42.980 understanding this rune, it's very often, as Fawn mentioned, used for breaking through obstacles.

02:29:48.220 um but in a in a severe way it's a rune of violence you can see even in the the pictograph

02:29:58.740 of it it is it is the striking out at something it is you know um

02:30:05.200 that straight pillar of isa with striking out from that position um

02:30:15.000 i think the correlation to looking almost like the uh the top of a or the thor's hammer

02:30:24.600 sideways i think i briefly mentioned about its connection to thor in symbology as well that that

02:30:32.920 crushing the mjolnir is defense and offense at the same time and that's one of the things that is

02:30:40.760 relevant to me about it and i think that there's absolutely protection elements to it

02:30:49.320 is you know just the con the the the picture of the rune itself and the idea of thorns

02:30:56.200 thorns suck if you're grabbing something and you get stuck by them but thorns are protecting stuff

02:31:03.880 that you would be grabbing or disturbing um they're they're a defensive mechanism for the

02:31:10.360 plant that you're that you're messing with um and you know it was described to me by one of

02:31:18.120 my mentors way back when when i was going through my gothar training is the idea of

02:31:23.960 you know our folk being the rose and this being that protection this symbolizes thor

02:31:31.320 protecting the folk by being that prickly thorn that stabs you if you're trying to go snatch rose

02:31:42.600 so there is that i think spawn went into a pretty comprehensive um discussion of this room um

02:31:54.040 i i wanted to say it's one of those the ones i'm not

02:31:57.000 i don't apply a lot of mercstav meanings to runes it's not something i usually do or incorporate

02:32:08.520 into things this rune haggalas and now these are the ones that i

02:32:18.840 give a certain amount of caution to that way i will say that what were you going to say spawn

02:32:24.680 i was i was gonna say that um the uh the dweller in the rocks that was mentioned in the icelandic

02:32:31.720 that's worth noting that's again reference to the thirst or the or the jotain or the kind of

02:32:36.280 primordial primitive destructive forces and i think that that that leaning towards the the the

02:32:42.920 bane of women or the the lament of women is i think in reference to both in the nordic stories

02:32:51.560 what they may have known too at the time was again the usage of this against gerder and also the

02:32:57.800 usage of this uh as the sleep thorn on the valky brian hilda brian hilder and so again there's

02:33:07.080 there's two references in which it's it's kind of angled at the feminine so this is also seen

02:33:12.520 as deeply a masculine rune but all the runes depending on the way you look at them can have

02:33:19.800 a lot of things uh again people uh perfect example the first room that we talked about

02:33:24.920 fehu i remember early on um back in the 80s and 90s people were talking about this is freya's room

02:33:32.760 and where they got that i i think was on their own if at best but simply because it started with the

02:33:40.760 the f sound um and they were calling it uh you know freya's actor and um but the the

02:33:48.360 correlation of that in relation to her i can kind of see it again with wealth and the idea that

02:33:54.760 we clearly our ancestors spoke of of praying to the the lady praying to uh freya about um

02:34:04.040 for for bounty and wealth i can see that there but it's not the entirety of it all

02:34:10.360 and so when we speak of like the connections to thor or the connections to emir one of the

02:34:15.800 the mysteries that i think a lot of people that are listening about runes is that as you learn

02:34:21.520 them they evolve to you and open up so ultimately all of the details that you learn oftentimes are

02:34:29.980 learned in the correct time in your life that you need to learn them that has again that's the power

02:34:37.820 of the rune and what it's doing because ultimately i think all runes are based around sound and

02:34:44.100 movement that they create in weird so throughout this entire series i think one of the things

02:34:51.300 that the audience is going to continually hear over and over again is many different pulling

02:34:56.660 points and things that we've learned throughout different periods of times but over emphasizing

02:35:01.300 again the sound and the motion if you will of of the of the room it's kind of its place in the

02:35:11.300 orchestra it's the best way i could describe it absolutely um

02:35:22.660 and with its uh correlation in the armin uh system in in odin's odin's rune songs

02:35:31.060 the idea of this force of striking out to where it's invincible and it's striking out to where

02:35:40.660 the foe can't cut you and can't hurt you because you're you know got the berserker gang going

02:35:47.780 i think there's an element to that um it's

02:35:56.580 of of rooms this one is more more volatile and more violent and more um

02:36:04.260 impactful i think than some of the other ones that are more subtle and i think you know that's that's

02:36:12.900 intentional and that's what a lot of people see when they see this and use it for it's one that

02:36:19.380 i've seen when people are painting up you know pretend viking shields and stuff i see them use

02:36:25.300 this one often in it um but yeah so let's get to some questions here we don't have too many

02:36:33.620 questions left um question from obsidian skull no joke what do you think about the theory that the

02:36:44.100 thurs slash thorn room poem poems refer to women's menstrual period i mean if you read what it says

02:36:52.260 it's hard to deny what are your thoughts on that swan

02:36:55.060 there is when when the the story of of thor crossing and um the jotun is trying to uh flood

02:37:09.140 the river it's mentioned that she uses her magic and it's kind of again alluded to that she uses

02:37:15.300 her blood and but they don't specify the blood whether it's you know from a prick from a from

02:37:20.500 a thorn or a knife or if it's from her bodily fluid um the um the idea of it being again only

02:37:31.380 it it adds on to that dichotomy if you see the thorn rune as a masculine rune of projection

02:37:38.420 and willfulness into catharsis you see it in its usage coming down but here at the same time it's

02:37:44.900 now a feminine polaric involving with the idea of the purging of the internal the purging of of

02:37:53.620 uh perhaps the stasis within the body that the body builds up to a sense of stasis and then it

02:37:59.060 needs to uh be purged and cleansed and oftentimes that involves again dissipation and pain that only

02:38:07.060 adds to that dichotomy that i was talking about it is that that light that dark that masculine

02:38:12.740 that feminine that that purging forth or defense it is the weapon that strikes and it is the rune

02:38:18.900 that's that stops the weapon it's such a powerful rune and there the other thing i would say is that

02:38:26.500 it really people talk about so for instance adhumla adhumla is of course the the the creator of

02:38:34.180 of uh buri um she formulates him from the or at least releases him with her life-giving powers

02:38:40.740 um you know when we talk about like say fehu as being adhumla that's interesting just in the sense

02:38:47.660 that adhumla is could be a nordic late name and it means one without horns it's it's a it's a

02:38:54.860 benevolent cattle one that does not seek to to uh gore you uh but the symbol clearly shows the

02:39:02.720 horns so a lot of people have taken this as to kind of telling a story that there is adhumla

02:39:09.220 or that there is muspelheim and niflheim there's adhumla and there's emir there's this benevolent

02:39:16.940 giving life force and warmth and then there's this uh growing um vapid force of strength but

02:39:26.100 hasn't moved yet and then in doing so the gods then break that force and release it and shape

02:39:34.680 the the they fill the gap and they shape the world with that potential force as it builds up

02:39:42.620 emir is slain and the gods shape the middle world and um and so there's some people believe that

02:39:53.040 there's a story but whether or not it's like muspelheim and niflheim and and this rune represents

02:39:58.580 emir or whether emir is represented in urus these are the mysteries that i don't think

02:40:03.660 there are people that have great knowledge that have led down roads of theorizing this but we're

02:40:09.920 still and i don't think it's 100 percent in the that that anyone can say in relation to the

02:40:18.740 symbology of whether or not it's you know where their meanings lie it's just that again it shows

02:40:23.860 this motion and what that motion does what that motion creates the ideas that these the runes have

02:40:31.900 power and they're already starting to create a kind of motion around them whether it's expansive

02:40:39.420 or condensive or in this case creating a wedge making that light and dark and filling up those

02:40:45.260 those oppositional juxtapositional forces all in one moment i think i think that again the the

02:40:54.060 some of the biggest and clear cut are right out the gate with the first three runes

02:41:01.260 All right. What is the opinion of this assembly on the Oralinda book, might I ask?

02:41:08.980 So I've tried to look into that more since so many people are asking.

02:41:16.200 I'm still open minded, but it doesn't fit to me.

02:41:22.740 It doesn't fit. The information doesn't fit other period sources.

02:41:27.540 the topics and the information in it fit much more with political and spiritual currents

02:41:36.880 around the time in which it was discovered and previously than it does the antiquity that the

02:41:45.940 book claims so i i don't put a lot of faith in its authenticity at this point again like i said

02:41:53.400 open-minded i'm happy to you know re-evaluate that but it it does not seem to be authentic not that

02:42:02.760 there's some things in there that i'm sure are good and valuable information but it's not from

02:42:09.720 the time period or what it represents itself to be in uh in my understanding of it swan do you have

02:42:16.680 any thoughts yeah that's my only begrudging sense against um the total there there's a layers of

02:42:24.760 knowledge that have been utilized throughout ages it's almost like imagine if there were chords to

02:42:31.000 be played but in order to play music you can't use all the chords or it's just mashing on the keys

02:42:36.600 so over over generations our folk have focused in on notes within or of that music of all the

02:42:45.400 the notes available if you will and so you can't shun uh the usage of say a specific amount whether

02:42:55.560 it's the younger futhark or the arman and futhark those have valid you know placement within them

02:43:02.680 in their time and they've added on into again the energy in the movement but the biggest problem is

02:43:09.000 is when something kind of is contrary to itself in its proclamation then it's like okay that that

02:43:16.520 requires a lot more investigation in my opinion before you um just wholeheartedly go into it's

02:43:23.160 the same with the uthark um theorization is um i really think that you know like when we look

02:43:30.760 at the ciphers of the runes amongst the uh the um norse when they use this the the 16 runes and

02:43:38.040 And then they flip them and upside down and use them in a numeric sense like that in order to create a code.

02:43:45.240 All of these things, you know, are adaptations at their time and maybe what they were used for.

02:43:53.680 That adds to the mystery.

02:43:55.880 And again, it adds to another point that can be kind of connected to each rune.

02:44:00.880 But what doesn't seem to change is the motion of what those runes are.

02:44:04.980 So the validity of the content is, I think, up to investigation.

02:44:10.460 But we have what we have right now.

02:44:12.540 And I don't know that that's something for time to tell.

02:44:20.580 All right.

02:44:23.920 So what do you think about the old Swedish rune poem version of Thurisaz as it is called Thors?

02:44:35.540 swedish for thor not thurs um the poem says tors is woman's torment the poem says tors is woman's

02:44:46.100 torment um what are your thoughts on that's fun well and again you know the um

02:44:57.380 the the meanings and things like we we know there's a great distinction between like thor

02:45:03.860 and thirst in in old norse um but tors is clearly kind of like what is what is used in sweden as

02:45:13.620 as the name for thor and just as much as thor not thought but thor is used in english um these

02:45:21.060 things have changed i wonder if there's just merely a the meaning is seen in the icelandic

02:45:28.020 but it has been merged in the swedish simply because of time because of the influx of

02:45:35.180 christianity especially in sweden as the kingdom grew uh it grew rapidly and far faster than say

02:45:40.920 like in norway and iceland iceland was isolated norway had mountains sweden was very much uh

02:45:47.520 established as a you know a kingdom with the geats with the svear and with the gottlanders

02:45:52.240 So when they started to establish things, I think their language, too, facilitates that kind of layering. And so it's just, I'm not making a proclamation, but I feel that that's a layering that happened that got lost in translation.

02:46:11.320 that um the usage of the word tor um and i mean i could say like oh it's nefarious they

02:46:19.140 they um you know they use the chance to make thor into a nefarious sense against

02:46:24.980 you know good christian women or something like that i'm not saying that at all i just

02:46:28.840 think linguistically it layered itself and became the meaning was originally thirst but

02:46:35.440 They laid Taurus on top of it because the implication of it is still crushing violence, defensive sense or something of that.

02:46:45.540 I think it's it's a. Yeah, it's a. A linguistical oversight that happened over time, and it was probably facilitated because of the area it was in again because of the ease and the structure.

02:47:03.120 the danes and the swedes have always had their kingdoms a little bit more forward and and

02:47:09.520 organized than every other scandinavian um country but the um you know the icelanders

02:47:16.880 linguistically because they're isolated managed to keep a lot of the meaning of things clear

02:47:23.280 and uh the norwegians you know again with the mountainous regions and things like that

02:47:28.320 they moved a little bit slower than like their the swedes did but the swedes language probably

02:47:34.560 rolled so fast it just rolled together um that's just my kind of observation of that i don't know

02:47:40.000 if there's any sort of esoteric meaning you know uh you know i i've often wondered about that just

02:47:47.520 in relation to thor and tor in its usage and how we use the the name thor as opposed to like thor

02:47:54.880 or thunor amongst the uh anglo-saxon or you know thunor or thunoros or thonoros um and all the

02:48:03.920 other kind of reconstructed ideas of what it might be language is funny that way again if you go back

02:48:09.760 with it you could say does thonoros mean thor or does it mean like a giant or does it mean again

02:48:18.400 the value of that word what does it mean even if we would go back into the reconstructed sense

02:48:23.920 so i don't know all right our final question uh have you read hamlet's mill

02:48:36.480 and if so what are your thoughts about it it is a book i personally hate yet i have

02:48:41.760 read it 18 times it is a fascinating but intentionally hard read swan have you ever

02:48:49.360 read Hamlet's Mill? No, I've read Hamlet, but not Hamlet's Mill. It sounds familiar, but I

02:48:58.380 can't, can't place it. The fact that it's vexed you and you've read it so many times,

02:49:08.120 that definitely piques my interest. I kind of like to, to hit things that, again, like a thorn,

02:49:15.880 constantly kind of digging um it spurns growth spurns thought i want to know why you hate it so

02:49:22.660 much to be honest um i see a question over here too the the spelling vikya vikya is v-i-k-j-a

02:49:34.380 right is that what you were going with before i didn't know uh on the the translations when

02:49:41.340 were talking about translations no um i'd have to go back and look um but on hamlet the hamlet's mill

02:49:53.180 question um i have not ever read it but i've heard it referenced a number of different times

02:50:01.820 and i'm kind of interested to read it um i've heard it referenced by uh

02:50:11.340 Graham Hancock in some of his works. He's made reference to it.

02:50:19.040 And so I'm curious. It's kind of a subject that I'm interested in, so I will definitely check

02:50:25.100 that out and, you know, hopefully have something a little bit more to say about that down the road.

02:50:33.080 Looks like we have one more question on here. Question being,

02:50:38.880 what do you think about the old swedish rune poem for you the name of the rune is ur but it's been

02:50:47.420 translated as the storm is the worst weather or the rain is the worst weather what do you think

02:50:55.100 about that swan that's the same again with the icelandic it are with the icelandic rune poems

02:51:01.100 as they're called um is is like foul weather uh is the usage that they're using it in so it

02:51:10.140 absolutely correlates again to the icelandic room poem um in which they're talking about like

02:51:18.860 uh drizzle or or uh sleet and and and uh the uh not just rain it's like condensed rain it's

02:51:29.260 again sleety and and and and terrible um so again and so in reference to the storm uh it would

02:51:38.300 easily talk about that and there is so in the in the shape of the rune itself um there is

02:51:46.200 again speculation about points about information and meditations on people that have thought about

02:51:52.400 these runes is that it's it is a kind of a a cycle of water if you will the idea of the water going

02:51:58.620 up coming down and then redescending upon the earth this is a huge stretch in the sense that

02:52:05.020 there's not um there's not a lot of anything written in this uh other than references to

02:52:12.940 the foul weather and the water and the condensement in it and it coming down so

02:52:18.300 some people have speculated in it in meditating in its uh symbology as the the vertical goes up and

02:52:24.860 then there's a slight descent and then a a placement back on the horizontal people have

02:52:31.500 taken that to interpret it as the water cycle water kind of being brought up into the heavens

02:52:37.580 being formulated down into a sense of condensement and then being replaced

02:52:42.780 this kind of has reference parallels to the hail rune which we'll get into later but again to be

02:52:51.020 completely fair i can see it in the thought process there's nothing specifically stating it

02:52:56.700 except in these rune poems um you know and the rune poems of the norse the icelandic the swedes

02:53:05.820 and even the one that was found in germany in which it was listed and it's clearly the younger

02:53:12.060 futhar because it ends with the last rune the 16th rune is here which is the yew tree or

02:53:18.220 it's often drawn as three down um that uh that even the one that's in germany is referenced

02:53:26.600 there and that has no rune poems it just says that you know it's kind of a a narrative where

02:53:32.820 it allows you to memorize ultimately that's what these rune poems are these rune poems aren't like

02:53:38.940 some are not like biblical uh you know things written in which is decreed by the gods no these

02:53:47.380 i think were deeply um built for the vitkis to remember the purpose and spirit of the rune and

02:53:57.140 i think more importantly the motion of it where it where it is creating its kind of um essence

02:54:03.540 within the world so the rune poems are very different say like between the anglo-saxons

02:54:10.580 and the icelandic but they're very similar almost identical between um the like the swedish and the

02:54:18.100 icelandic the norwegians are kind of completely on their own they did a double a double line poem

02:54:25.100 and oftentimes it just says you know in one statement and then in the next line it's a

02:54:30.460 completely separate statement like when it where we're talking about like wealth amongst kinsmen

02:54:35.920 causes strife there is a wolf always in the woods there's kind of like a a blanket statement about

02:54:42.640 the rune and then there's a kind of a hidden one after that and the other the other um two don't do

02:54:47.840 that whereas like for instance the icelandic rune poems another interesting thing is that they

02:54:52.320 connect them specifically to astrological latin astrological connections so um i believe um

02:55:01.360 um, that thirst amongst the Icelandic rune poems is, yeah, it's good. Oh, sorry. Yeah. You said

02:55:08.320 it before. It's connected to Saturn. It's connected to Saturn or Kronos. And, um, uh,

02:55:14.420 the Tia rune is connected to Mars and, you know, it's, it, there's clearly a mention of this and

02:55:22.020 that kind of shows the influence of Hellenic magic that was already starting in, in Iceland

02:55:28.960 at the time that they were writing the rune poems down that's why i'm not surprised when you see

02:55:33.460 like the runes like the helm of all or the vigvaser and how those are clearly um post viking age and

02:55:42.380 they're influenced by talismanic magic of the hellenic orders but there was already starting

02:55:48.100 even in the rune poems that we read from iceland because they're already making mentions of of like

02:55:53.980 poignant astrological and hellenic tenants they're already kind of throwing it in there

02:55:59.400 so to think that how could that be that's your your first clue right there it shows that that

02:56:05.420 line of um thought so because the uh the nords were so they moved around a lot they you know

02:56:12.240 many of the folks that were living in iceland had been to byzantium and uh or had been to greece or

02:56:17.840 you know had been to libya or spain or france or england and so you know finding the younger

02:56:26.800 futhark in a poem in in middle germany switzerland and it being very similar to the swedes and the

02:56:33.360 icelanders doesn't surprise me at all uh really it just seems odd when you look at it but yeah

02:56:40.880 yeah you know i i think it's important that we read and go over the rune poems but i also

02:56:50.560 they're not holy writ they're you know a is for aardvark like a lot of them are not necessarily

02:57:00.800 meant to convey deep magic of our ancestors but they're another source that might and in some

02:57:08.000 cases does give us a valuable glimpse um but yeah so so concludes our first episode on runes

02:57:19.440 was a short episode for us i don't think it was a short episode for for humans generally as three

02:57:26.800 right um i appreciate you guys i appreciate all your questions again if you like it like

02:57:33.040 share subscribe on any and all of these platforms um but yeah i appreciate you guys participating

02:57:40.720 and as always i appreciate you coming on here and sharing your knowledge spawn

02:57:45.280 um us you know one of the areas you excel in certainly is linguistics and i know our people

02:57:51.840 find that fantastic um as well as all the the great runic knowledge so and i know we have some

02:57:58.960 of those questions like locked in on the on the uh private chat side so i hope we can go back and

02:58:04.000 answer maybe some of those questions that like again relentless in uh old norse well yeah there's

02:58:10.080 a couple of them we wish we had better and you know all you guys get on here often and ask our

02:58:15.680 opinions and specific things that sometimes we haven't read or aren't familiar with um

02:58:22.080 i know it's anti-climactic to have our answer be i don't know never heard of it but those i have

02:58:27.520 found myself going and looking after those things and trying to look into them uh swan and i are

02:58:32.800 both always you know we're very intellectually curious on these things especially about topics

02:58:38.400 that we care about so your guys questions even if we don't have a good answer we do try to go

02:58:43.360 track it down because it is fascinating to us thank you guys so much it's been great talking

02:58:49.120 to you guys and i will speak to you again next week if not sooner um hail the gods

02:58:57.360 hail the folk hail the afa and remember that victory never sleeps hail

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Asatru Folk Assembly - July 27, 2023

7⧸26⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 55 - ᚠᚢᚦ

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