00:09:47.240So I ended up mainly through books and book clubs, book, like, ordering sites where you could get them in magazines and things like that.
00:09:56.400So I was picking up books and reading a lot.
00:09:58.900And I, yeah, I practiced pretty much solitary by myself for a very, very long time up through until about after my time in the Marine Corps.
00:10:13.400And after that, I ended up kind of realizing there was a larger community and kind of interacted with people that were available to me, like people that I had nearby.
00:10:27.000And again, even then, in the early 2000s, there wasn't a lot of Internet interaction going on.
00:10:33.940I think we were utilizing meetup.com for early kindred kind of things.
00:10:40.880And then we eventually moved on to, you know, local gatherings and different things like that.
00:10:49.320But I was pretty much unaffiliated for many, many years.
00:10:52.420Um, I had, um, really started my own kindred and then it fell apart while at the same time,
00:11:02.360uh, kind of, you know, moving in and out with the East coast thing. And, um, even I even attended
00:11:08.540a trough moot, um, early on in 2009, I believe. Uh, and that was actually the first time I ever
00:11:16.120heard um founder mcnalen hailed that sumble at a trough moot which was uh was i didn't know at
00:11:23.360the time or it didn't seem to have that vibe i think i think the trough back then was a little
00:11:27.340different and um but yeah so that was the first time i really got introduced and from then on
00:11:33.260it was a steady and slow progress till um i kind of left and became solitary again and had a
00:11:39.820religious I guess awakening if you will and I saw the Astro Folk Assembly out
00:11:49.300on a winter nights and back in 2016 I believe and that was so the one that you
00:11:59.180had spoken at and then from there on out and the rest is history
00:12:07.320well you know what what year was this that you were saying that at a truth
00:12:13.540mood they actually hailed Steve I believe it was 2009 it was a long time
00:12:20.980back I mean again at my time in house a true has been it's by by 2007 so before
00:12:30.5402007 I was pretty much solitary and then after that I I had interactions with
00:13:02.520I think there was even one Folkish kindred leader that was on back then, and there were people that had attended who hailed Founder McNallan at the Sumble.
00:13:14.260So it was, like I said, it was an interesting time.
00:13:20.000I think that really I was a novice as to things that were going on around me, but at the same time, there was not so much, I think, crazy polarization in the community at large from them.
00:13:36.400I think the AFA is always maintained, but for them, they seemed pretty neutral back then.
00:13:42.720But over time, I started to see things that I didn't really come to agree with.
00:13:48.640and so I kind of went on my own for a long time and then uh when I had on a suggestion to come
00:13:56.360to Winter Nights for the Alistair Folk Assembly and it just happened to be the one that you were
00:14:01.660speaking at and uh yeah that was it what you you had a speech there um like an introduction speech
00:14:11.460and just a an inner uh introduction to yourself and everything going on and uh it was I absolutely
00:14:17.620knew i had hit hit the mark that i was home um and i had a great time and i ended up just uh i
00:14:24.980made a kindred and we we started right then and there that that that by yule we had a kindred up
00:14:30.740and running and uh we were all members of the afa and and then it started to proceed from there
00:14:38.180then it got pretty clandestine as far as all the uh glory and uh temples and you know constructing
00:14:46.180hoffs to our gods and then it went went far beyond i'd ever thought i'd i'd ever be involved in
00:14:53.300well that's fantastic um we sure are uh are fortunate to have you you had kind of a
00:15:01.380i don't know more of a meandering journey here than i think a lot of
00:15:05.020a lot of our current members certainly
00:15:06.820so one reason that i wanted to have you on this evening to talk to folks
00:15:13.500for those that may not know Svahn is the artist that has
00:15:21.180he has been responsible for painting all of our god murals at our at our Hoffs and those are
00:15:30.520really special and I'd like to talk a little bit more about those but significantly Svahn spent
00:15:36.100the last week down at njordshoff um painting a spectacular mural for njord and uh swan could you
00:15:45.300tell us a little bit about about that experience uh specifically njordshoff or um just yeah
00:15:53.460specifically kind of you know going down there checking out njordshoff what you thought and then
00:23:46.260And, you know, I took time to, I had a horn, a small horn, and I put down my rifle and
00:23:52.380and hold bloats sometimes with nothing more than mre electrolyte juice it was what i had
00:24:00.060and um and it was yeah it's so it definitely formulated a lot for me but when i got out of
00:24:06.220that solitary break when i finally got out of the marine corps i was desperate for community
00:24:13.660but i was also coupled right then with a with some some troubling issues that i had
00:24:19.100um i think for a long time i was dealing with things that i had seen and things i had been
00:24:26.140and um so even though the gods were with me it doesn't make us um infallible of uh you know
00:24:32.700mental problems things that we needed to kind of i needed to work out um i was you know depressed
00:24:38.780for many years after the war um and i had to i went through a long process and i think at that point
00:24:46.060I found community and community is kind of what well at first I think it didn't help at all it
00:24:52.340may have been an outlet of some of my problems and things but over time and meeting the right
00:24:58.600people in the community it eventually led me to healing and coming to an understanding about
00:25:05.080things and then led me to the Ossetra Folk Assembly and and to the discipline that I needed
00:25:12.640in my life again because i i had it in the beginning especially in the military and then it
00:25:18.000it kind of dwindled and then it came back again it refocused me made me realize that there was a new
00:25:23.680mission a new ideal something that you know the time can't be squandered perhaps even more
00:25:29.600important than what i was doing uh overseas while i was in the military well i think that's a really
00:25:37.120powerful story for a lot of folks. I know that I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea. I know
00:25:42.840that on here frequently, I talk about, you know, how doing it right is not being a solitary
00:25:48.780practitioner. Doing it right is doing it with a group. But I think this is really strong,
00:25:54.420really strong testimony that, and I've always said this too, when you don't have that option
00:26:00.660and, you know, for guys that are in a spot where you can't do it as a group,
00:26:04.500There's a lot of power in doing it as a solitary practitioner, but it all comes into fruition and it all connects and becomes the way to do it when you're able to do it as a group.
00:26:16.260And I'm really glad that Svahn's solitary practice has brought him to us.
00:26:20.580I hope he's better for it and I know that we're better for it.
00:26:32.260he wants to know if we can explain how a baby naming ceremony works uh yeah i so
00:26:40.140there okay so there's the purpose and the mechanics
00:26:44.420in i don't know in uh the condensed version i suppose the purpose
00:26:51.760is that when that new baby comes into into this world into midgard
00:26:57.700there's a time where it's becoming a whole person and to fulfill its soul complex and to set that
00:27:11.180baby's identity not just as an individual but as a part of a bigger whole that is our folk
00:27:17.520and specifically that is our afa family they're in front of the gods and in front of our folk
00:27:24.520we affix the name that the parents have chose for the child.
00:27:30.340And from that moment on, that child is a full person with their soul complex.
00:27:40.900Some of that evolves from a time where infant mortality was very high.
00:27:46.480And so before we fully invest that child with the finishing touches of of that folk soul, we want to make sure that the child is viable and and physically healthy to to have a have a good start in life.
00:28:05.460And so I think that's part of that. Usually it's done, you know, at least nine days after the birth. In this day and age, you know, stuff comes up and sometimes people will hold off until there's a gathering in their area. So it's sometimes a little bit more than those nine days.0.99
00:28:21.300one thing that's an AFA tradition that I do and that now the AFA does is
00:28:29.580you know if you have time the night before if you get to meet the child meet the family
00:28:35.740I draw runes and I ask each of the each of the norns to give that child a blessing and a rune
00:28:46.680to to set their course and to kind of inspire and and instill gifts to them and so a rune for
00:28:55.320uh earth verdandi and scold um yeah so i draw those and i i read those to the child and the
00:29:05.480parent and my interpretations of those blessings to them and we affix those with mead drawing those
00:29:13.560runes on the child's forehead and then when we give them their name we splash them with water
00:29:18.600as our ancestors did to to imbue them with that name and announce them in front of the folk and
00:29:25.400when we do that we also drink toast to that child into that family and as a group we make commitments
00:29:32.200to to be there for to protect to help provide for to help raise that child in a way and really
00:29:38.920welcome them into our faith community. And so that's really special. That's probably my favorite
00:29:45.720thing I get to do as a go-thee. Svahn, do you have anything to add on that ceremony?
00:29:52.600Yeah, I'm a particular fan of your formulation of our current and way that we fasten names to
00:30:03.640babies i think you know a long time ago people did them certain different ways they had like
00:30:09.080locality traditions things that they would do in order to uh affix names um things that maybe
00:30:16.920if they weren't able to get to uh the hoffs or back then there were no hoffs so um you know
00:30:25.800one of my children we we were lucky enough to have great grandmother and uh grandmother and
00:30:32.600mother all there with the baby, holding the baby while the name was being, you know, fastened and
00:30:39.240sprinkled. And that was done, you know, at the house because, you know, especially for my first
00:30:45.840boy, there were no temples then. So yeah, I think that there's a lot of beautiful things that can be
00:30:52.420added or done. But when you have a community and you have a priesthood that you can now
00:30:59.540kind of rely on or ask for help or uh seek guidance or or you know even to wait or some
00:31:06.280people do like they'll name fasten their child at home but then they'll wait to the next event
00:31:11.680and they'll come and introduce them and do a name fastening ceremony at the temple and get a chance
00:31:17.120to uh introduce them to all the folk i i think it's beautiful it's a it's a huge and momentous
00:31:24.540evolution that's happened in such a short period of time from having nothing to now you have hoffs
00:31:32.380and gosar that can perform the ceremony and join in with the parents uh and and introducing the
00:31:39.340child to the folk all in the in the span of a couple years that's huge we've got some more
00:31:47.260questions for you we got quite a bit of them piling up about your uh your mural work uh
00:31:53.260Sarah wants to know how do you come up with the scenes you decide to use for the murals? Do they
00:31:59.100have hidden messages in them as far as the symbolism? I suppose let's take it from in the
00:32:06.060order that you did them and break that down for folks or as much as you feel comfortable breaking
00:32:11.180down for him um so i think with thor's hof uh yes there was a it was absolutely um drawn uh from
00:32:26.300you know thor's fishing trip if you will um and uh yeah there was some there was some symbolic
00:32:33.400meaning there about action and about uh committing to the moment and having the right time to
00:32:40.960strike in juxtaposition to people who may, um, stand in, in awe or in fear of the, the coming
00:32:49.640action and the, the pinnacle moment of weird. So, uh, that, that was a lot of the symbolism there,
00:32:55.440uh, with Thor's off, especially with, uh, Hamir, you know, with his knife on the rope,
00:33:01.380um and showing this kind of action of duality of thor being that which is action and that which
00:33:11.080is doing things completing things having these moments trying to attain them using strength and
00:33:16.060to get there and then there are there's that energy of folk or just you know in that
00:33:23.860symbology there that there might be you know hesitancy fear or even outright cowardice to
00:33:30.560the idea of it and uh and and and all it takes is that cutting of the rope and it seems like such
00:33:36.900an easy way but what a great loss if it's taken so that was kind of the symbology of thor's um
00:33:44.940mural but as we went on uh with baldershoff it was more or less um a concept of space i ended
00:33:54.020up working in a gable and the bottom of the picture is about eight feet up so everything's
00:33:58.620done on a ladder and i wanted to dominate the space and so the the idea was simply um the
00:34:05.580returning of balder the uh the the idea of ascension outside of stasis outside of outside
00:34:14.460of hell guard outside of um the time out of time and back into the divinity of the of of heaven
00:34:21.840and um a kind of a resting moment and there's some there's other symbology in there as well
00:34:28.360um obviously the kinfilkia of the temple being the wolves so we place the wolves in there but
00:34:33.640the way that they're positioned and and uh uh particularly with uh nana and uh nana to me has
00:34:41.600always been the asenya of of devotion and piety um the idea that she dies of a broken heart and
00:34:50.080follows balder into the into the land of shade beyond the shade and into helgard into the time
00:34:57.520beyond time and um and so she is intrinsically tied uh he is the folk soul and she is the piety
00:35:05.860and devotion of the folk kind of feeding back to him so that's why she's carrying that horn
00:35:12.020um so there's symbology there uh again space defines things so with with um with odin at
00:35:21.160odin's hof the biggest thing for me and i i have a lot of full trui or trough to to uh odin so i
00:35:29.420wanted to encapsulate some things and actually i ended up um running into problems i think um
00:35:36.200And the first and foremost was to capture or to – not even capture, to try to emulate the best I could the focus and the idea that Odin is watching, that Odin is always watching, and that his eye is unescapable.
00:35:54.400and once i got past that and i think i i that just came to life on on the wall uh everything
00:36:04.060thereafter i started running into some logistical problems and i had to change some things and
00:36:09.220so i i just started easter egging everything i could at that point it became very disjointed
00:36:16.060uh there was no specific story and mention it was just odin in front of the well or mimir's well
00:36:23.400and um and then i began to uh you know incorporate certain things like little easter eggs and things
00:36:31.460and started writing in runic and of course by this time that was when the folk food art
00:36:36.080became full uh and was and it started to evolve at thor's hof and and at balder's hof but it
00:36:44.500became fully manifested by odin's fitting actually that it was manifested by then
00:36:50.940So with Njörð, it was kind of the same thing.
00:36:53.420I got a lot of space, and I make allusions or, like, I allude to the story of the marriage of Njörð and Skadi.
00:37:03.920But beyond that, it's not any particular moment in a story.
00:37:11.600And there were some other things I took some liberty on, and I really think that I addressed some pan-Germanicism or some pan-Aryan religiosity in there as well.
00:37:25.760I thought that was quite a good time to address some of that.
00:37:30.840And I – yeah, I went on through there.
00:37:35.320So a lot of things have developed. Everything from the sun and rod behind the gods to the folk futhark that's used in the murals and all kinds of things.
00:37:45.280So some of it's hidden. Some of it has story. Others, it's just it's out in plain sight.
00:37:50.980It's just ready to be read and understood. Or, you know, it depends on if you're close up and you can see little things.
00:37:57.660I remember talking to someone and they said that they had seen the mural at Odenshof for almost a month and a half before they realized there was something in the corner and that the tree was bearing strange fruit, if you will, as he is the lord of the gallows.
00:38:13.920So there was a there was a little thing there. So there's all these little Easter eggs, little things that come to me as as we're kind of going through.
00:38:21.840But first and foremost is always focusing on the asa that's in the house that's in the in the wall.
00:38:31.040I'm making a godstead. I'm asking them to come and sit and have this place.1.00
00:38:35.800This image will always be their resting spot in their own home.
00:38:46.660You say that, but until you're there, I don't know if there's a way to communicate to the folks listening to this just how true that is.
00:38:57.820Something profoundly spiritual happens with those to where the God resides in a way.
00:39:04.520a piece of that God is then in that Hoff. You talked about what you wanted to accomplish with
00:39:10.060the Odin mural. That one eye, it follows you. His eye follows you in that Hoff, no matter where
00:39:18.580you're at. It's very strange and magical how that works. So along those same lines, could you kind
00:39:24.780of best guess? We've got Catherine asking, how big are they? So could you best guess some
00:39:31.760dimensions for us on each of those? Well, so Thorshoff, his is about six and a half feet wide
00:39:40.360by eight and a half feet tall, roundabout. I would love to give you exact measurements,
00:39:47.680but I can't remember. And then Baldershoff was, of course, it didn't even start until about
00:39:55.840the uh i want to say the seven or eight foot mark i think it was eight feet and uh and and of course
00:40:02.800it stretched up almost to 22 feet because the ladder was a 20 foot ladder and um it could
00:40:09.140it it could go up there so maybe maybe a little it's a little shorter first i'm thinking of angle
00:40:15.500and safety but um yeah it would run all the way up and then you know it it dimension wise a width
00:40:21.000at the base of the triangle i i would almost guess would be 15 16 feet wide um and uh that
00:40:29.880was an interesting one again working on a ladder and going up and down and and kind of traversing
00:40:35.640in at that gabled angle um and uh you know strangely enough i had a knee injury right before
00:40:43.400then and uh i thought i was gonna i thought i was gonna die but in in actuality when i
00:40:48.680Pause, pause, pause. Brandy does not want you to cheat her ladder. She says it is, in fact, a 35-foot ladder.
00:40:55.560Oh, okay. So maybe that's why in my mind I knew there was a little bit of safety in there, so maybe my numbers were wrong.
00:41:02.640But yeah, I think it was about 22 feet up, but there was enough room to kind of relax and be in there.
00:41:07.620But the strange thing was is when I left Baldershof, my knee pain was gone as opposed to being – I was figuring it would be flared up and hurting in massive proportions, and it wasn't.
00:41:20.280It was I guess some sort of recuperation or workout was happening there that allowed it to heal even though it was going up and down this ladder.
00:41:30.280uh olenshof was an interesting one and uh i'll tell you that you know this um we had dimension
00:41:37.820issues especially involving the the structure of the temple um there was a rafter that was kind of
00:41:45.360centering everything and was in but also kind of intruding into the situation and we were worried
00:41:50.160about that and uh there was a doorway off to the left that um dominated more space than off to the
00:41:56.520right and so even though we wanted everything to be centered we just had to contend with those
00:42:01.900issues and then there was also some actual structural issues with the wall um and some
00:42:07.220resurfacing and we just kind of it was like you know what this is this is the time we have it's
00:42:12.700midsummer and we made made time for it you know blocked off work and flew out and got to meet
00:42:19.620everybody and it was a joyous occasion it was wonderful and um but really really focusing on
00:42:25.480this uh we just pushed through it so there was really not a so much a dimension i guess
00:42:31.080at odenshof um i would say it was maybe seven feet eight feet wide by seven to eight feet tall
00:42:40.640with a stanchion kind of placed in the middle there and um all all of these uh all of them
00:42:49.660except for Nürzhoff, which I would, you know, is an interesting thing, is all of them were slightly
00:42:55.860off the ground, set apart by some sort of divider. Nürzhoff's a little different. I had
00:43:01.200ceiling to floor, but still had to make some room for us to have a harrow underneath
00:43:08.740the house. So, you know, I had to adjust some things. I couldn't do some things that I have
00:43:16.840done for the other house uh on on their godsteads instead of um positioning i'll just say that much
00:43:23.800i don't want to reveal too much i want it to be for dedication but i i so yeah those are about the
00:43:29.160dimensions i have uh niorsoft's dimensions i would say are uh maybe uh 10 feet on the face wall and
00:43:35.780then six or seven six and a half feet to seven feet on the side walls so i had three panels
00:43:42.920of a panoramic view of for for for north and it was very very fitting well i think this is a good
00:43:51.320time to plug it um those of you who can uh white springs in florida on the 13th is our dedication
00:43:58.740if that's something that you're able to and you'd like to attend uh we would love to see you there
00:44:04.480reach out to your local folk builder um actually uh nick if you could throw up lanes contact if
00:44:11.420need to talk to somebody lane is the guy i would suggest you speak to unless you're a member if
00:44:15.820you're a member you're just welcome to come on out and yeah if you'd like to be part of that
00:44:19.980it's really a historic uh it's really a historic thing this is certainly the first hoff to njord
00:44:27.900in thousands of years um and as far as we have any proof of it you know it's it's one of it's
00:44:37.580it may be the first Hoff that we have definitive proof exists for New York, though I believe in
00:44:43.340our ancestors' day there was probably plenty. But yeah, it's really a special time. Svon,
00:44:48.860you already kind of hit on this, but if there's anything you'd like to add,
00:44:53.180Hugh Manipulation Nation wants to know,
00:44:56.540I'd love to hear the inspiration behind each mural. They stood out to me in the past.
00:45:01.180hmm well again I mean I kind of touched a little bit on on some of the things I wanted to do like
00:45:11.400for Thorshoff of course there was a dynamic meaning but as we went along the inspiration
00:45:16.220um again uh with with Baldur's Hoff there I climbed up that ladder and the first thing I
00:45:24.620I put pencil on wall and I drew a face and that face was the face it there was nothing
00:45:32.860that changed about it I didn't adjust it I didn't work at it nothing it was 100% supposed to be
00:45:40.900there um I wish I could say the same for Nana I had I had I had to struggle uh again working with
00:45:49.800ladder and spacing but um you know her being the goddess of devotion and piety being able to take
00:45:58.000the the the might of the folk into the horn uh and on the horn it says you know strength piety
00:46:05.500and devotion and that she bears that horn like all uh you know the ladies that bear them the
00:46:11.360mead cup to balder feeding him the might of the folk replenishing him keeping him and the hope
00:46:19.680of him alive within our hearts and you know it's it's it's um there's symbology there i think
00:46:25.740with odin's um of course the story of him you know uh receiving his knowledge in mimir's well
00:46:36.040or you know as as being one of the the steps of of the entirety of the wells uh being able to see
00:46:44.600all that which was in order to see what will become um so the symbology there i mean it's
00:46:51.240pretty obvious the eye in the well and then of course really attaining the the premise that
00:46:57.540that odin is watching at all times um and then with north and north uh symbology really
00:47:05.900was about laughing and having fun and being happy and absorbing the sun and um so smiling faces was
00:47:16.080kind of a hard thing for me i'm again i i you know drawing at large scale has always been difficult
00:47:21.840for me so this last mural really conflicted with a lot of my my already kind of set habits
00:47:28.080smiling faces and upturned heads and fingernails and and toes and feet uh and um anatomy as far
00:47:37.660as like not being able to use clothes to cover things up it was pretty north is out there he's
00:47:43.100in the sun he is he is fully basking and he's mighty and he's strong like like the like the
00:47:49.700waves that hit the ocean so i i really really kind of got inspired with that there was a lot of like
00:47:54.960almost a beach vibe. It was a, there was music being played. There was a lot of laughter and
00:48:02.280people were helping. And it was kind of the whole time was just about relax, relax. You've got this,
00:48:09.100everything's okay. You can do no wrong. There's no, I kind of sound like Bob Ross,
00:48:13.660happy little accidents, but everything, everything happened for a reason and everything was good.
00:48:43.060What would you like to see from the folk?
00:48:45.640Ooh, that's a good one. That's a very good question. I think the biggest thing would be twofold. One,
00:49:03.600devotion and piety both within the temples and at home so I would I would lump those two together
00:49:14.540and the other is stop being fearful of telling other folk about us telling other folk about
00:49:25.140what we're doing why we're here and and and being afraid to bridge that gap to say hey
00:49:31.160you know um this is who we are this is this is our native faith this we are these people and we
00:49:37.600have a right to exist and a right to be devoted to our gods and you should come down and and see
00:49:43.520what we're doing like abolish all a lot of those uh misconceptions um i mean just today i i managed
00:49:52.260to talk to somebody i'm not saying proselytize i'm just saying don't be so guarded the you know
00:50:00.440we want to shine we want to be noble we want to move forward um and show by example so i would
00:50:07.820say first and foremost really work at talking to other people and and letting them know like what
00:50:13.360this is about what we are doing why we are devoted to the gods and um how we're we're building
00:50:19.440something that hasn't been done in thousands of years and then at the same time back to the
00:50:27.040devotion and piety, the idea of applying both Hoff devotion, coming to large events,
00:50:36.160baby naming ceremonies, weddings, funerals, helping out at the Hoffs, just helping the
00:50:43.600Godis maintain the Hoffs, if you're able. Or again, maybe focus on your local community and
00:50:50.740kindred just as if you would to a temple and then at home applying and practicing and praying at
00:50:58.380home big one praying pray to the gods pray to them and and ask them for guidance and and and open
00:51:07.040yourself up to them that's that that's the one those are the or excuse me those are the two
00:51:10.980things i would i would ask of the folk okay so human manipulation nation uh wants to know what
00:51:19.660was your job in the Marine Corps? He says that he was a medic in the army and has been in solitude
00:51:24.600and in need of community and he can relate to you. I was a rifleman. I was an 0311 basic rifleman.
00:51:33.780I was in Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii initially, but I joined before 9-11. So I'm dating myself in my
00:51:42.560my age um i was i was 21 when i joined so i was a late a late bloomer or an old man in the marine
00:51:50.560corps by those standards most everybody was 17 or 18 i was 21 and it was in the year 2000 that i
00:51:56.200joined um and i ended up very luckily getting sent to hawaii and um but 9-11 happened and pretty much
00:52:07.380I never saw the island, but maybe for seven to ten months.
00:52:12.120Otherwise, I was deployed repeatedly for about four years.
00:52:19.020As far as you being a medic in the Army, I absolutely get that because one of the things is you're integrated into life-saving.
00:52:28.680First and foremost, I would say devotionals to air, like absolutely to her as in learning your craft, a craft that can apply to you even after you get out.
00:52:44.360Uh, there's job opportunities for you with medical skills and things like that, but having devotion to the care of, of people, uh, and being noble in your care, um, making sure that you, you're always abide by that, which is noble within you.
00:53:01.420um so i i would say creating harrow space create a harrow uh you know find a way to devotionally
00:53:12.260express in an item or a godstead or a picture or something of the gods and of i would say like
00:53:18.760start off with air if you're a healer that's the first place to start but not by no means the end
00:53:24.740And create meditation, prayer, mantra, if you will.
00:53:31.280I guess that's a word that everyone's familiar with.
00:53:35.380In order – I would say it's a galder, but, you know, a mantra to affixate your mind and your body and your soul to the processes that you need to do.0.54
00:58:17.660That rune symbolizes that we're agents of a traveling power,
00:58:25.980a power that is unmoving but yet still moves
00:58:30.220and moves heavily and changes weird around it.
00:58:33.620And so, you know, as as the sun and the moon and the stars gained their seats in heaven and and and as the gods ordered things, all things came into cycle.
00:58:45.260And that rune kind of reminds us that at this rotations, we are coming back from a great chasm.
00:58:52.600We're coming back from a great drought where the gods, you know, there was these cyclical moments where, you know, these returns are slowly coming.
00:59:02.500And so I think the Raido rune really – or the Raid rune, it encapsulates that reminder.
00:59:11.160As we look at it, as we bear it, we realize that we are war priests on the move.
00:59:19.940You are the highest of the war priests, and we are the war priests.
00:59:23.980I say that, and I mean that, you know, from the Marine Corps, it really relates to me, the idea that this is a battle, this is a struggle, this is a return, and yes, we are trying to make community, we're trying to be noble, but at the same time, we have to keep moving.
00:59:40.920we have there there is the constant reminder in that room that we are establishing order as we
00:59:47.640move we are existing within the order that already was constructed by the gods and then we too uh
00:59:54.360must never stop victory never sleeps exactly um sunshine sucks thank you very much we appreciate
01:00:03.160twenty dollars it is very appreciated seriously thank you any of you guys on entropy that are
01:00:08.360throwing donations away it's much appreciated thank you so much thank you um
01:00:16.280how old is too old for a baby naming ceremony so that's a good question uh
01:00:21.560corey asked that question i think that's a really good question um
01:00:27.320you know we don't want we don't want any teenagers with their voice changing trying to get
01:00:32.040get their baby naming done um realistically i don't think there's a hard answer to it
01:00:38.360but the further it goes out the the less visceral the meaning behind it and the more
01:00:49.640it's just kind of a going through the motions um i i would say within the first year is really
01:00:58.520important i think keeping it in the first month or so is is what you should do but i think past
01:01:06.040that first year it kind of it's kind of missed that window but i don't think there's a hard
01:01:11.160rule on it siphon do you have any thoughts on that um yeah i would say if you're past that window
01:01:17.960you could always ask the gods and your ancestors to bless and protect your your your child and then
01:01:24.120And yeah, wait till now it's time to focus on the time in between to, you know, man making or woman making and entering into the threshold of young adulthood.0.60
01:01:35.980You know, focus on on that time. I don't think there's wrong with asking for protection over over your child.0.64
01:01:43.840But yeah, that after about a year or so, you know.
01:01:50.080I think the gods and your ancestors and the folk are fully aware of who's here.
01:01:54.120but that's again that's part of the the kind of the the rawness of us coming through that chasm
01:02:00.040we have to deal with these things and not all of us were born into ousa true not all of us were
01:02:06.120raised ousa true and so we have to deal with a lot of that kind of missed steps and um but
01:02:13.480there's no wrongness in it we just uh a fix and and move on to the next step noticing over on the
01:02:22.360side uh a lot of chat going on around that carpool idea i hope you guys take
01:02:27.880i hope you guys are serious hope you guys do it if you do i'd love to to share a horn with
01:02:33.240you and raise a horn to tenured with you guys there i'll be down there as well so i'll be right
01:02:41.160so the republic of vinland asks are they are are they inspired by the greek uh greek orthodox
01:02:49.400christian icons i'm gonna let swan get to this in a second but first i am really happy that you said
01:02:57.880that yes in a way they are i'm gonna go ahead and take ownership that's one idea that i really
01:03:05.480stressed when we were doing this because i think that um as far as as european art goes
01:03:12.520those greek iconography is is really beautiful i really like their metallics and what they do with
01:03:17.880the gold and i like that they fill the space with stuff that's beautiful like that um
01:03:25.160i think that goes on in a lot of uh different european european art i was at the uh the rat
01:03:31.080house in copenhagen and in there every surface on the inside or the outside is full of beauty
01:03:38.920these intricately carved i mean the doorknobs are intricately carved every little recess and
01:03:44.760And even beautiful things that you couldn't normally see up, you know, up 10, 20 feet in the air or hiding in a corner are little elements of beauty.
01:03:53.880So really fill in that space. And yeah, I'm glad you picked up on that. Svan, what do you have to say about that?
01:04:00.320Yeah, definitely. Definitely. The idea of of intricacy and detail and beauty, the idea of reinstating beauty and color was a big one for me and brightness.
01:04:13.500And I definitely think you had expressed early on about the Orthodox use of the Orthodox Christians use of gold or uses of the metallics.
01:04:27.220And so, yeah, that was definitely an influence.
01:04:29.980I think that as far as people might look at, say, the sun and rod behind the gods as being a direct correlation.
01:04:38.580I mean, I would definitely point out that the idea of the solar symbol around the head definitely predates Christianity.
01:04:45.520Absolutely. They have a they have huge iconic lexicon of iconography towards, you know, halos and things like that.
01:04:54.960But these do predate Christianity, the Etruscans, the Greeks and the Hellenics.
01:05:00.580But also, too, there's a special meaning behind the sun and rot, I think, culturally within the AFA and the idea of the attainment of the twelve.
01:05:08.580And the stabilization of our faith and the representation of their illumination and their divinity.
01:05:17.660So the sun and rod became a huge part of that.
01:05:24.120And, yes, I mean, you could clearly say, oh, that's, you know, inspired by this.
01:05:28.520But also I was looking at, again, winged iconography from the Etruscans and their haloing.
01:05:35.840uh sun wheels and and stones in sweden stone carvings with the sun wheels around their heads
01:05:41.400um so it did come from everywhere but the the the use of color and the use of gold absolutely i
01:05:48.320think um really inspired it if you look at some of the greek orthodox artwork it it is very
01:05:53.920two-dimensional and sometimes i think it it doesn't have a lot of what i think we're putting
01:06:00.580in, whereas the might and the largeness, the power, there seems to be a heavy sense of
01:06:09.600like cloth and perhaps, you know, downcast eyes and held up hands and kind of, you know,
01:06:16.720devotional spots, but there's not this kind of activated action going on in a lot of them.
01:06:22.460Even when you see like, you know, Michael slaying the dragon or, you know, something
01:06:26.640like that is it's it's kind of very uh place but the color that they've captured and the metallics
01:06:33.840that they use are beautiful so yeah but i wanted to add something that's uniquely our own and at
01:06:41.900the same time incorporate something that's a little bit of the elder uh iconography with the
01:06:47.740the sun and rod but also the new meaning behind it for us with the with the attainment of the 12 so
01:06:53.580um yeah i think that's kind of an important thing to note i mean we're not trying to ape
01:06:59.900anything but fundamentally you had arian greek people worshiping the divinity that they were
01:07:09.820trying to worship and i think that our people worship in a really specific way with with
01:07:14.620specific art and uh that's beautiful and i think that you know had some things had happened
01:07:20.220differently in the course of history those those you know that greek orthodox art could very well
01:07:25.820have been of of apollo or of uh athena in and not of christ and michael so yeah i think it's
01:07:34.460beautiful and it's just really cool that they picked up on that because i thought it was kind
01:07:37.580of a subtle a subtle nod to it but it is something that's fun and i both discussed is as an element
01:07:43.180we wanted involved in it so that's i think that's really cool we've got a couple other monetized
01:07:48.460things sc is our folk builder sierra chapman i'm glad to to hear from you i thought it was you the
01:07:55.260first time but i didn't want to want to assume she asked why should folks be on the hof toller
01:08:01.340as opposed to simple membership levels what are the benefits for the afa um so
01:08:11.260fundamentally the biggest benefit is the shift in culture and attitude for those of you who
01:08:18.140don't know the hoftoller is a percentage-based giving to our church um we ask a minimum of one
01:08:27.100percent if you'd like to do more that's fantastic um you know if you make very little one percent
01:08:34.780is is a very small number if you make a lot then it's a big number and us contributing that percent
01:08:42.380of our success helps us rise and fall together and share in that way and i think that's special
01:08:48.620but it also gets us in a place where we're donating to our church we're donating to our gods
01:08:54.460and we're donating to something that we believe in whereas the previous the the membership model the
01:08:59.820you know x dollars a month is much more of a paying for a service or there's a mindset that
01:09:07.900you're you're paying to get something back and that it's transactional and even if it came out
01:09:13.340the exact same dollar wise um the attitude is much better to what we're trying to do the piety
01:09:20.940of donating to something as opposed to feeling like you're making a purchase so we're really
01:09:26.140working on that culturally um truth of it though uh the hoff toller that one percent i think for
01:09:33.100most people with an average american income just running the numbers the average probably comes out
01:09:38.460to you know that one percent being about thirty dollars and uh you know that helps that money
01:09:45.020goes a long way when we started doing the hof toller it immediately elevated our ability to
01:09:51.020do things and coincidentally very shortly after we were able to get both thorshoff and baldershoff
01:09:56.780so it's really made a big difference for us um folk the rude uh threw 25 dollars at us thank
01:10:03.340you so much it's much appreciated says he loves the wednesday talks and keep wants us to keep
01:10:08.060them coming i've got them scheduled for a month out now with all the guests i'm excited uh i love
01:10:13.820these i hope our guests like them it's a lot of fun i literally look forward to it all week so
01:10:19.180uh as long as you guys still enjoy them and they're they're beneficial we'll keep them coming
01:10:23.100um and as usual we've got a bunch of questions backing up which is which is really nice to see
01:10:29.940uh bob asks um to have someone with such visual intelligence is unique it would be interesting
01:10:38.900to know if swan has ideas on how people can see the world around them in an art artistic
01:10:46.380slash worshipful manner. A lot of people have seen this in the comments.
01:10:54.580Internally, we all tell Svon this. I think it's very self-evident that he's a guy with a lot of
01:10:58.840wisdom and a real good head on his shoulders. And people in the side are noticing that. Svon,
01:11:04.400where he's sitting, can't see the comments. So I just want to let him know,
01:11:07.820folks think that you're a smart guy, Svon, and they are correct. What do you have to say to Bob?
01:11:12.060uh visually seeing the world uh one thing i would say is attain the mythic uh understand that the
01:11:22.700gods exist in the meta they're they're in a in a in a world deeply connected to us i mean they're
01:11:30.300not separate from us they are connected but you need to really start to break off a lot of the
01:11:38.840mantle of modernity. I'm not saying that we should, you know, cast things off and go living
01:11:43.940in the woods and things like crazy things like that. But I mean, the idea is to really begin
01:11:48.680to open your ears, open your eyes, hear people's words, seeing things. And I don't mean in a
01:11:55.840clandestine way. The world is filled with weird. Weird pervades around us. And the gods interact
01:12:05.420with us through weird predominantly. And I think that once you begin to realize that,
01:12:12.120that all the things that are flowing around, all the ripples moving in and out,
01:12:15.660that connects us to the gods. And that you can't forget. I mean, we're already,
01:12:22.320once you've noticed the ripples, once you notice things coming in and leaving out and your actions
01:12:26.860kind of, your noble actions leading to noble deeds and your noble deeds leading to greater
01:12:33.280things that's when you begin to realize that the connection between you and the gods is ever
01:12:37.600pervading all the time and uh it's always through or lock or or or law or law and and weird so um
01:12:48.220i like to use the word weird but um it's you know ever pervading so first and foremost once you
01:12:53.860realize you're connected deeply that way um the other thing is to see yourself and see things in
01:13:02.340the mythic see things in the meta um understand that uh in in essence you should i i i would say
01:13:11.100live for greatness project yourself towards greatness and do this with the intention of
01:13:18.620of um being worthy of the gods impressing them um asking yourself would they be impressed with me
01:13:26.140would they be impressed with what i'm doing and i mean really ask yourself that it's not a
01:13:31.440showcase thing it's not about beating your chest it's about the actions that you you think you're
01:13:36.320alone in a room asking yourself and you're really not and and and to have that again because i think
01:13:43.540that a lot of people in um also true there there's a studying aspect to the gods but there's never a
01:13:50.680a moment where they just like wow i'm in weird and the gods are in weird and they're actually
01:13:56.740affecting weird and they're moving things around and i'm moving things around and in that medium
01:14:01.700we are absolutely connected there's no separation between us so if that's the case they can see
01:14:09.220they can hear they can feel what i'm doing and now that takes on a whole new consideration do
01:14:16.260the gods really if they see me then i should be concerned with the way i act the way i talk uh
01:14:24.420The moral issues that you might come in on a day-to-day basis that we might not think are deeply connected to the gods, and they are.
01:14:34.380And then once you do project yourself into the meta and kind of live, you know, with that, growing into that, being glorious in your heart and in your mind, I think that those deeds kind of begin to project more and more and more until you begin to see the world in a very beautiful way.
01:14:56.480uh you that that almost uh and i i don't want to sound if somebody tells you crazy things and and
01:15:07.880you say like wow that's kind of crazy and that's okay you should have that ability to say wow i
01:15:13.280don't i don't know but there's a meaningfulness that you should feel almost like you're on the
01:15:18.440edge of the mythical and and reality that that veil becomes very very um uh shimmering not
01:15:29.200intangible i don't i'm not saying you realities to be put in the back seat not at all but there
01:15:35.580is a sense that the gods do move in our world in a very mythical way there there is beauty there
01:15:41.340There is joy. There is there is honor. There is vengeance.
01:15:46.180There's frith. There's these huge concepts moving around that the gods are are interacting with, whether it's it's staving stability of the cosmos and keeping the edge to even the finite child rearing.
01:16:01.680And having your children taking that time to teach them to step forward and show them things and stop being on the phone or stop stressing about your job when your child wants to interact with you.
01:16:14.700You know, all of the gods and goddesses are involved in all of these spectrums from the very, very big, the very, very little.
01:16:23.220So becoming a conscious of that, I think, is really important.
01:16:27.100That's how you begin to see things differently.
01:16:28.980yeah you that absolutely what Svan just said and and one of the key things that stood out that he
01:16:37.140just said that I want to stress living your life in a way intended to make your gods and your
01:16:46.800ancestors proud of you um that idea of striving to be worthy and striving to to make them proud of
01:16:55.720One of the, I think we all conceptualize the gods a little bit different in our heads and in our hearts, but the idea really occurred to me a couple of years ago about wanting to make the gods smile, wanting the things that I do to bring a smile to their face.
01:17:17.080And I think thinking, Ausatru is about those relationships with the gods. And I don't, you know, those relationships aren't exactly the same as a human relationship, and the gods are certainly far above us.
01:17:34.600but having the idea that something you do would make one of the gods of our race
01:17:41.240proud enough to to smile or to nod their head in approval is really a profound thing
01:17:47.640or it certainly is to me so i i'd throw that in there um got a question back on the baby naming
01:17:53.720same question do you name the baby at the hospital for the birth certificate and then
01:17:57.640head to the ceremony so well as far as practicality goes the perfect scenario you keep the name a
01:18:06.280secret only the mother and the father know what the name is going to be and the grand reveals at
01:18:10.680the baby naming um in practical purposes in this day and age when you've got forms at the hospital
01:18:17.400and whatnot um you can be a purist about it if you want but i think in order to make it all work
01:18:23.640smooth certainly what we did with our daughter we kept the name private to us until the uh the
01:18:28.600ceremony but you know with the exclusion of in the hospital with the with the birth certificate
01:18:34.440whatnot we put her name on it just because it's practical and it makes sense i think a lot of that
01:18:39.880is fun and extra that you can add to it as part of the tradition and part of the celebration but it's
01:18:47.880it's about so much more than someone knowing what the name is. It's about speaking that name
01:18:55.400in front of the gods, in front of the folk, and the gods and the folk accepting that child as
01:19:01.960one of theirs, as somebody that they recognize by that name. And I think that goes on at the
01:19:07.680naming, whether people know beforehand or not. So this is another thing, and I've seen this in
01:19:14.340the chat, too. Everybody wants flags and posters of the murals. Svahn, I would really like if,
01:19:21.660you know, when we get off of here and into the future, if we could maybe see about making some
01:19:26.260prints of those murals. I think that would be a really special thing if we could figure out ways
01:19:31.160to do that. Yeah, and I think, too, maybe we could process that with the tech department where,
01:19:38.500you know, our lady of talent can maybe smooth some things out and frame it so that we can get1.00
01:19:46.480that printed out. That would be good. That'd be an awesome idea. I think it would be great. I'd1.00
01:19:51.100love to try to make that happen. So more from a human manipulation nation, considering Panarianism,1.00
01:19:58.120have you all studied Buddhism or the Bhagavad Gita? I think it would be presumptuous of me0.94
01:20:09.260to say that I've studied Buddhism and studied the Bhagavad Gita. I've read the Gita. I've
01:20:16.280learned about Buddhism, but I don't claim to be an expert on either by any means.
01:20:38.360I've been to Hindu temples, and I've been to numerous Buddhist temples all over Southeast Asia.
01:20:45.400So actually, I've gotten a lot more, I guess, a glimpse into the orthopraxy of those religions than a lot of the reading.
01:20:52.380um yes i to be honest i have some problems with i think the foundations of buddhism as far as uh i
01:21:00.440think uh with siddhartha and some of his movements but um you know i again it's this is uh whether or
01:21:09.720not we're talking about buddhism as a philosophy or as a religion um you know understanding the
01:21:15.640precepts and understanding you know mahayana buddhism and and uh i'm gonna say it wrong again
01:21:21.440And probably I think it's a Thravindavi, the southern style of Buddhism and their philosophical views.
01:21:28.740I mean, I'm familiar with pretty much the onset after with Buddhism and how it kind of affected Asia and how it migrated and moved through China and into Korea and how it affected Japan and things like that.
01:21:41.200But as far as foundationally, it's I wouldn't say have studied it again.
01:21:48.100That would be improper to to say that.
01:21:51.440Familiar, yes, but studied by any length, not as much as our own corpus of lore.0.74
01:22:00.940I think a core point I would like to make in relations to the Buddha and some aspects of a lot of forms of Hinduism, one thing that I think separates what we do from that is the very active nature of Al-Satru.0.82
01:22:26.360Ostrotry is about doing and accomplishing and building and succeeding, and it's not about0.77
01:22:33.620escaping the world or escaping the responsibility. That's not necessarily the way I want to put it.
01:22:42.220I don't mean any disrespect on when I say escaping the responsibilities of life,
01:22:46.100but I mean embracing them. The Buddha was an Aryan prince, and he was in a position in
01:22:56.220his life where he could have put all of his spiritual acumen into forceful use to make the
01:23:03.360world around him something better. And that's not the fundamental of what that religion embraces.
01:23:11.140And it certainly is the fundamental of what our faith embraces. So I think that's one of the
01:23:16.000things that struck me about a difference between Buddhism and Asatru. That was a point of contention
01:23:22.400for me as well but i did want to say the stories uh uh in the vedas um i'm a storyteller i love
01:23:31.180stories i love the the uh the power and a lot of the dynamic again there's color there's vibrance
01:23:38.760there's war there's death all of these great concepts in there i i'm a fan of those i've read
01:23:44.260those but i've read them as uh you know reading the story of another of another people and i
01:23:50.960realize there are connections clearly there obviously indra and many other things and i we
01:23:56.440could go down a rabbit hole of explaining and connecting those tissues but for the most part
01:24:02.020to just read them and enjoy them as as stories i've you know reading the stories of of all people
01:24:08.040all over the world from the shinto and uh the vedic to all the way in you know uh siberian
01:24:15.180and finnoergic to uh african to native american and uh whether it's you know south american native
01:24:23.600or north american native i've read all those stories with a fan of of just seeing the vibrance
01:24:29.600of their expression of their spiritual native spiritual expressions so speaking of uh storytelling
01:24:36.620and spawn the storyteller could you give us a little bit of a i don't know preview of what we
01:24:41.880can expect on story time with Svan in the Oustru Academy? Yes. So right now I'm working through
01:24:51.060the audio aspect, but eventually what's going to end up happening is there will be a visual or video
01:24:56.520aspect as well. And the intention really is a time and a place for both adults and children
01:25:05.000who are enrolled in to hear the stories and share with them
01:25:10.880and maybe hear parts of the stories that they don't remember
01:25:15.780or maybe that they were expressed in a different way.
01:25:20.300You know, something that's lost, I think, on a lot of people
01:25:22.740is how our stories came from song to poetic form,
01:25:28.080but both of those styles came from stories.
01:25:31.080And so we're bringing them back to stories
01:25:33.400And we're allowing to paint again a mythical picture of what was, you know, going on with the gods in creation and things of that nature and kind of express a lot of the emotional, of the tangible emotional power that presides, that sometimes aren't always found in the prose.
01:25:57.700um and so uh that's my that's my goal is to bring that to life to bring a lot of that expression
01:26:06.100and to allow uh even though it is for the children it is also for the adults to kind of
01:26:11.140hear the stories again i've done a couple at national events and uh they really met with some
01:26:17.300some good uh feedback so that's what started all of this so i was great at storytelling he
01:26:24.420he's able to keep us children and adults but especially the children he's able to keep them
01:26:29.700riveted uh if you haven't had to have the privilege of it svan really is a beautiful
01:26:34.900storyteller and i'm looking forward to those uh not just for for my daughter but i'm looking
01:26:39.460forward to those for myself um svan could you you mentioned earlier about when you're doing
01:26:45.860specifically the odin mural um you talked about the folk futhark for the people who aren't familiar
01:26:51.620with that we have sarah asking could you speak a little bit more about the folk futhark and it's
01:26:56.500uh the meaning of it coming together yeah absolutely um so uh one of the things that
01:27:04.260started to formulate during thor's mural was uh a chance or a medium to express ideas and and um
01:27:13.060we wanted to do that in runic but the idea of so many people in uh in aussitrew in the astro
01:27:20.820Book Assembly, they have different specialities within the runes. They have different interests
01:27:26.720within the runes, whether they're, you know, the Elder Futhark and some from the, you know,
01:27:33.200from Kelberstone and from the Vatstana Brekte to, you know, Edward Thorson's books and many of the,
01:27:41.980you know, modern writers, Nigel Pennick and all of these things. So we have so much lore
01:27:48.740and uh all the way down to the armanin so i wanted to kind of pay homage to all of that corpus of
01:27:58.180lore and it was it was really inspired by something that our alzharagoti said was that we
01:28:02.880have a we have a very we're in a pinnacle time of information we have oftentimes more information
01:28:09.180than even our ancestors may have had at any given time 10th century sweden um and a lot of people
01:28:14.880have a tendency to forget that we see a broader picture of things and in doing that i realized
01:28:20.560wow we have a broad picture we have all these futharks so i wanted to hand pick uh individual
01:28:27.600runes and put them into the mural in a a formalized futhark that would be used to convey these messages
01:28:35.600so uh you know going through each of them whether it was the elder via the kelver stone elder via
01:28:43.120the vets on a break day um the anglos anglo-frigian uh the icelandic and the younger um uh and the
01:28:52.800armanin and started picking and even some manuscripts i found it of the german medieval
01:28:58.080uh runic futharks the tiny little one that only had eight runes in it and um kind of pulled each
01:29:04.880from there and uh and i found that one through nigel pennick's work um and uh started to put
01:29:12.080them together and place them in and and then started basically constructing some rules uh
01:29:19.280for us to be able to translate these these meanings and these meanings i think are kind
01:29:24.000of more or less poetic inspiration that hits me during the process of painting so uh some of them
01:29:31.440are meant to be read and some of them you'll notice will wrap in and out of sight they might
01:29:36.560go around an item in reality the whatever goes around the item isn't necessarily meant to be read
01:29:43.360it's what you can see that's ultimately meant to be read but to keep consistency with the artwork
01:29:49.680i would and add a three-dimensional uh view to it instead of the two-dimensional flatness
01:29:55.440you know that stuff was kind of written off but that's what form formulated the the what we come
01:30:00.480to call the folk futhark and its intention was not to um uh esoterically you know push something over
01:30:08.560or say to people like no no don't use that use this no this is an absolute a homage to all the
01:30:14.800futharks and an understanding that we have people who have all that knowledge and and if we want if
01:30:21.840you want to read what the um the murals say you know you might want to look into all of those
01:30:27.920futharks so you can understand each symbol uh how it might be different from say some one particular
01:30:33.600futhark that you're used to so it was almost like prodding people to look at the other futharks
01:30:39.520in hopes that they'll learn more and and we can convey those messages so that's how that was
01:30:44.000developed all right svan what does your day-to-day worship look like do you have specific times where
01:31:13.860I'm needful for, I'm in a point of confusion.
01:31:17.580And I don't think it's not a sense of groveling.
01:31:21.800I'm needful of the insight of the gods who are, you know, they're the eldest of our ancestors.
01:31:28.640They're the gods who I think, if they're inclined to, will help us if we, you know, so deserve it.
01:31:38.560And so I always leave that option open.
01:31:40.940Yes, I'm needful for perhaps advice or insight or an understanding of things.
01:31:46.260Sometimes I don't get answers. Sometimes I do. I realize that the gods are much bigger than me and I'm not exercising some form of narcissism. So my needfulness is more or less a message in the wind. If there's any insight that could ever be offered, I would be more than happy to take it.
01:32:09.380But I also, you know, with my ancestors who are always deeply connected to me, sometimes I address them more often with need.
01:32:18.860As far as everything else, I would say, for instance, like going to the temples is pretty regular and aligning my weird with the wheel of the year and with the holy tides of the AFA.
01:32:34.680I have certain daily devotional things that I do.
01:32:37.700Um, I follow a, you know, I have a kind of a semi-religious calendar that I like to, to employ.
01:32:44.780Um, and we, we, uh, every meal that we sit down at the children, my wife, me, we sit down, we hold hands and we give thanks to the gods.
01:32:56.080We have a food prayer that we say, um, that is actually, uh, given to us by law speaker Turnage of the AFA, um, and his, his, uh, wonderful poem.
01:33:06.620So we took that and now our children, sometimes it's great now, like I'll come in from work and the children are sitting down by themselves getting ready to eat because I'm running late and I'm going to slide into home plate right at the end of it.
01:33:21.460And they're already saying the food, the food blessing and asking the gods and the ancestors to bless them.
01:33:27.160So little things like that. If I'm outside, I have a garden. I've got chickens. I grow potatoes.
01:33:36.620So a lot of times, simple little things of pouring gifts out to the land, asking Gerda and Freire for blessings of fruitfulness in the field, things of that nature, bounty out of the chickens.
01:33:54.400So it's kind of at home. I've never really kind of revealed a lot of this, but, you know, I have some common practice that I do to ask for protection over my livestock and my small amount of chickens that I have and my garden.
01:34:15.780So, yeah, it's more or less steady with the temples, and then it's dependent at home.
01:34:23.700It could be every other week or so, or sometimes every night.
01:35:29.700But as far as, I don't know, I think it's kind of interesting
01:35:34.700from our perspective, because here we are doing things,
01:35:38.420or the projecting the future of, you know, Teutonic faith in the future in America and all over in South Africa and Australia and all these places.
01:35:50.780And this was kind of a separate thing.
01:35:55.880They were doing that and projecting ideas and good on them.
01:35:59.820But, I mean, it's kind of weird when you're – I mean, we're off doing our own thing.
01:36:04.880I think there could have been maybe some sort of unification.
01:36:07.720I really wish they would have reached out to you, Alex Hiragudi, and kind of maybe asked, come on out and speak or do something.
01:36:21.140Again, when we talk about lore, and I think there's a big push for a reconstruction of Proto-Indo-European.
01:36:28.220I think there's some people calling it – it's like Sudenheim or it's almost like a religiosity form of reconstructing the language and the faith.
01:36:44.800I think that that's not projecting us forward.
01:36:50.000I think that's not where the gods and our ancestors were going in one direction, and I think some folk are trying to go backwards.
01:36:56.540And so I have some contentions with a lot of that. But, you know, good on them if they're moving in that direction. But we're moving in our own. And it was made clear that way that they're doing their thing and we're going to try to do ours. So that's my opinion on that whole situation. I didn't pay too much to that. I was focusing on the temples and things like that.
01:37:20.440busy being a priest of also true and building a pagan future um that's one of the again i really
01:37:29.640like uh thomas rousel um he's a good guy i've got a chance to meet him i'm not trying to be
01:37:35.400disrespectful or be rude i only bring this up because we were asked there's a lot of
01:37:46.440we've mentioned this before and brandy certainly mentioned it when she was on
01:37:49.320here a couple of weeks ago also true you know the real the real experience of asa true isn't found
01:37:56.360in books uh so many people think that this sphere of what we're doing here is about study and
01:38:06.200archaeology and research and not applying it in a meaningful way which is unfortunate to me
01:38:13.880um i mean study and research are great but talking about our ancestors and concepts
01:38:23.480isn't i mean maybe the conference was was misnamed i don't know i know a lot of the
01:38:30.600focus was on europe but i know that within europe there's thriving um pagan movements
01:38:37.560in eastern europe certainly i know there's uh hellenic movements in europe there's folks that
01:38:45.080there are practicing priests that could have been on there to speak about religion and about
01:38:51.240actual paganism into the future as opposed to kind of political talk mixed with history and
01:38:59.560archaeology their two speakers were various historians to talk about what was to talk
01:39:05.880about pagan pasts as opposed to the pagan futures um it's just very strange to me when we spend so
01:39:15.160much time actually practicing paganism to have a conference a big international conference about
01:39:22.680pagan futures that the speakers are two academics it would be you know having a christian futures
01:39:28.840conference and no pastors no priests but you know a couple of an archaeologist and a guy who's a
01:39:38.040history expert on first century judea um that would seem really odd and out of place and i
01:39:45.480think in the same way this was odd and out of place to me uh we have another question witness
01:39:52.280fun. How do you get so knowledgeable? If this hasn't been asked, which books or what has helped
01:39:58.640you? Oh, a lot of books. I mean, ever since 1994, I mean, my first book was A Book of Troth by
01:40:10.480Edward Thorson. That was my first real introduction. I got it off of a book list called The Abyss
01:40:17.240or something like that. It was a, like a pagan book list, uh, that you could get mailed to your
01:40:22.580house. And I ordered it. Um, and that's what started me along. I think it really, I, I took
01:40:28.800the, the, uh, the professing right that was in that book when I was 14 years old and I haven't
01:40:35.760looked back since it's been, that was an oath that I made and have kept. Um, but beyond that,
01:40:43.000I think some interesting books, definitely the tier essays, the tier volumes one are one of my favorites in there.
01:41:04.900Yeah, but any of the tier volumes, volumes one, two, three and four.
01:41:09.300But volume one was one of my pivotal one.
01:41:13.000An interesting one. I think the biggest thing to answer your question, all knowledge is applicable. It's just that you have to have the wisdom to be discerning. And so I have found me liking parts of books as opposed to the entirety of books and being able to kind of ruminate and meditate on different ideals within the books.
01:41:40.920And so a whole title, I could recommend one, but not necessarily say that I agree with everything that's written in it.
01:41:48.940But there was some really interesting stuff that I got from it.
01:41:55.400I think that the connectivity there, there is a lot of Pan-Arianism that's mentioned in there.
01:42:05.200And so there's a lot of good, cool stuff in there that I would recommend.
01:42:09.480And I think that when you engage the book, you know, realize that also, too, your time.
01:42:15.400I've read books when I was 14, 15, 16 years old, 17, and didn't understand them at all.
01:42:23.240And then maybe a decade later, I pull them off the shelf and I read them, and all of a sudden it's like, oh, I absolutely understand what that is now.
01:42:30.960So understanding, too, that a lot of times it's reiterating, going back and reading books.
01:42:39.480I'm trying to think of some other interesting ones. I was a fan of almost the how-to Ausatru books for a long while there. Hammer of the Gods by Swain Wodening and Germanic Heathenry by James Heuka. I read that while I was in Iraq.
01:42:57.320Um, uh, yeah, I, I think over time I became more, um, obsessed with kind of, uh, like the road to hell was a great book, um, that I, I really, really delved into a lot.
01:43:16.500um hollander's translation i know a lot of people are going to be like
01:43:21.900boo hollander's translation of the adas i'm a huge fan of because i'm a storyteller
01:43:28.100and i i would like to pretend i was a poet maybe and um and so the poetic uh value that hollander
01:43:36.620puts into that adas is one of my favorites um another little lesser known two books that i
01:43:44.340really really enjoy again storytelling is a big thing um storytelling i think makes more a dynamic
01:43:51.120relationship with the with the with the stories of the gods and that they're great to read and then
01:43:57.340cross compare with the prose uh out of those two i would say um tales of norse mythology
01:44:05.620by a and e uh kiri is their last names uh uh that's a and the symbol and e the two authors
01:44:17.340there i believe they were sisters uh kiri and this was written in the turn of the century um
01:44:22.320they presented the gods in a very very noble beautiful way almost in an arthurian level of
01:44:30.020beauty. They talk about the gods in their palaces and the crystal salons and things that they reside
01:44:37.980in. I think that's just so amazing. And that's great for children too. That's a great one to
01:44:42.820read story-wise if you're more of a, I want to read from book to the children. And there's another
01:44:51.220book I really like too. It's called The Northern Path by Douglas Rossman. That was a pivotal one
01:44:57.600because that's written as a storyteller would tell the stories now are they all 100 percent
01:45:04.960based on you know the pros adas of like folks uh translation or or hollander's translation
01:45:11.700no they're they took some liberties but they're beautiful nonetheless and i think that they're
01:45:17.480great for the children and they're great for us to kind of reiterate so i think that's the biggest
01:45:22.420thing is reiteration of knowledge taking it in different forms seeing it in different lights
01:45:28.900has really helped me over time layer after layer start to learn lore and retain it just because i
01:45:37.940was uh seeing it from different angles well one thing you know we always get the the what books
01:45:44.100do you recommend question but something that came up while you were were uh reading these i just
01:45:48.660want to throw out there um the one-eyed god it's a hard book to get a hold of but i got a lot out of
01:45:55.060that and then something that i really like but i don't ever recommend on here i certainly don't
01:46:00.100recommend enough was this book um deep ancestors and it's really it's really interesting i like
01:46:09.460the book a lot um the guy who wrote it is probably doesn't share our world view um the intro has some
01:46:17.780obligatory pc things in it but the scholarship and the and the thought in the book once you get past
01:46:23.860the you know trigger warnings or whatever is really nice it's a really interesting book and
01:46:30.180i got a lot out of it so i'd recommend uh deep ancestors or what i like to call the wheel and
01:46:35.220the donkey um a monetized question here uh tim wants to know spawn can you explain the iron mark
01:46:45.460to us uh yeah the iron mark is not official in any way shape or form so i want to bear that in mind
01:46:55.860um the iron mark was a just a little pet project i was working on i think it kind of started off
01:47:00.900with the idea that that uh priests go these druids uh you know uh scalds or or shoulds
01:47:08.180uh they were time keepers and so the idea of keeping time in a a different way
01:47:13.140became an interest of mine. And I just moved into the Runic calendar, looking at
01:47:20.980constant cyclical calendars that maintain their days and some of the differences that lie with
01:47:30.160them outside of the Gregorian calendar. And so I also looked at the Anglo-Saxons and a lot of
01:47:36.800Their timekeeping, a lot of stuff that was coming out from the modern Theodish groups and some of their timekeeping techniques.
01:47:45.220And I ended up formulating kind of my own timekeeping scale.0.96
01:47:51.420And I wouldn't call it a calendar per se right now.
01:47:55.440It allows us to kind of see how our holidays move in correlation with the moon tides and the solar tides.
01:48:04.300It's a solar calendar first with a secondary lunar aspect, but it's a way to count the days and to kind of keep in mind the moons and as they pass and the holidays that reside with them.
01:48:21.720I don't necessarily promote it in the sense that we should use a different calendar.
01:48:26.760I don't think that we need to be alien. I have my own like, I guess I would say nerdy problems with the Gregorian calendar. But nothing like I'm not stating the idea that we need to be some sort of alien kind of way. But it's a hobby. And it's an interesting way to look at things once you start to get it rolling.
01:48:46.560um it utilizes a lot too of what i think some of the foundations of also true back in the early
01:48:52.900days back in the 70s back in the 80s people were you know talking about frost moon and you know and
01:48:59.460and lenting moon and austera moon and all of that so that's incorporated in there um as kind of more
01:49:06.240or less a nod to the actual tangible use of it i think when people were doing it back then they were
01:49:11.580it was a novelty. And so to actually make it work and be serious was, I think, another intention I
01:49:18.200was doing. So, you know, right now we use the runic era as a year mark. And, you know, we use
01:49:25.080a 12 to 13 moon cycle. And then we use a solar reckoning of the days from, you know, seven days
01:49:34.160a week, 52 weeks with a day zero being on Mother's Night. And it just repeats every year. So it's
01:49:40.340just an interesting project but by no means am I a promoter of of it in the
01:49:47.360sense that we should forego that which is clear that I'm not trying to fix
01:49:52.100something that isn't broken temporal heresies so Bobby asks Matt are you
01:50:01.460aware of any outrage over the new Hoff being established or is it been rather
01:50:06.580they're quiet from those groups. So not a lot. I think there's a complex matrix of who gets in
01:50:15.220whose ear on how those things end up happening. There's a little bit of concern in one of the
01:50:22.600local groups by the community there. And when I say by the community, I think there's maybe
01:50:27.220seven comments on it um so the the idea i guess is they don't want any hate in their community
01:50:37.460and they want to stand together against hate and so to counter our uh dedication they're
01:50:42.340going to have a special unity rally um that's odd to me to have a demonstration to oppose
01:50:53.700our church coming into their town under the guise of they don't want hate um they're the first ones
01:51:00.420doing something in uh opposition to us and not certainly not the other way around one of the
01:51:06.420other things that i'd add though to be fair the media has done such a despicable job of painting
01:51:14.820us dishonorably and dishonestly that you know if you just google us and go off the media articles
01:51:22.660i could understand why they're concerned um very you know over time they will certainly see that0.62
01:51:29.140we are an asset to their community and not not a problem and i will say that you know the the the
01:51:35.940quote-unquote outrage has been let's have a rally a rally to support unity it hasn't been threats
01:51:43.060or anything else at baldershoff we had uh we had folks threatening to chain us in the hoff and burn
01:51:51.300the hof down with us in it and we had several of those threats so far we haven't had any threats
01:51:58.340of violence or anything you know mean-spirited directed at us uh in white springs and and i
01:52:05.220hope we can continue to to not have any of that and i know that will be a very good addition to
01:52:09.940their community and they will see that um okay from so this one's for you svan from one devil
01:52:18.660to another suggestions for those of us getting out i recently joined the a the afa and feel much
01:52:24.740better otherwise the public has no camaraderie i was an optics tech by the way uh
01:57:20.060Hmm. I would have to say. I mean, the weddings, the weddings, I think, are by far my favorite.
01:57:35.180They seem to be the predominance. And I could focus in on one wedding in particular, but I do think overall the weddings in and of themselves and the vow renewals I think are some of the most beautiful and fun that I've ever performed.
01:57:57.160I haven't performed a ton of name fastenings, and I have performed funerals, but those aren't often fun.
01:58:05.660Those are dutiful and an expression of life and very, very somber.
01:58:12.820So I would say the weddings have been my favorite, absolutely.
01:58:16.260Just so joyous to see these two people come together and start anew, start afresh, and kind of build more towards our community.
01:58:24.500And sometimes they, you know, if it's a vow renewal or if they perhaps have children from a previous marriage and then they're deciding to come together in our church and moving forward, you can see this kind of happiness that starts to re-foundation their house.
02:15:35.660that venerable um church traditions that they have we're still in the very early phase of
02:15:42.540building those so i think that'll be very different but again other than that i'm not very
02:15:47.260sure how one of their uh their worship services occurs i think ours is probably different than
02:15:52.780most um yeah i wish i could answer that question a little bit better for you and you know what i'm
02:15:58.700gonna i know it was my question but i'm gonna throw it over to spawn and see if he has a little
02:16:02.460bit more to offer you on that well can i can i see that question again i i saw it flash up on the
02:16:08.220screen briefly is there any way that to to do that again yeah he'll do that but i'll read it for you
02:16:13.980for those listening on the side or listening later to the podcast of this. I am Greek,
02:16:21.340so being Greek Orthodox is all I know. How similar will our time in the AFA be compared
02:16:27.500to what we know, all of us that were Orthodox? I mean, it seems, I understand that I'm
02:16:37.780Interpreting that question in a certain way. I think that one thing that's a big misconception about Ausatru, how similar will our time in the AFA be compared to what we know, all of us that were Orthodox?
02:16:59.180I mean, I think that the biggest thing to understand is that we are noting, we are taking note and honoring certain key aspects of their spirit in the sense of their ideals towards beauty, their ideals towards devotion, their ideals towards creating art.
02:17:27.540And I think that's something that a lot of people have this misconception about, that Ausatruer are these shoulder-pelted, rune-paint-faced troglodytes that are going to come in and try to rip down churches and spit in the face of traditional art.
02:17:47.540art and and to be honest that's not i mean we have no inclinations of that at all we respect
02:17:54.020traditions that were uh established um you know before us even even christian ones in the sense
02:18:01.260that the european christians have shown great traits that i think we should absolutely look at
02:18:10.060think about and incorporate some in in our our own expression about by no means are we are we
02:18:18.320really digging down deep and and and you know we could really start to cut into the sinew of the
02:18:24.940subject about whether or not the faith is is native to the european folk and you know i have
02:18:30.880strong opinions about all that but on the surface you know i can absolutely look at at those things
02:18:37.220and find the beauty in them, and I think that there's nothing wrong with us trying to also achieve that European proclivity towards beauty
02:24:40.420The gods, the ancestors and libation through prayer over a gifted bowl and placed out.0.85
02:24:49.400And then just get more detail as you become more knowledgeable and comfortable and find your own way or maybe learn from the Gothar at the Hoffs and apply a lot of what they do there into your home life.
02:25:00.200All right. Next question from Jeff. What is the AFA's view on nature-based things like guardian
02:25:09.120trees or local water spirits? Are those things more pagan than what the AFA is focused on?
02:25:18.460It's a good question. I think that those things are often much more individual. I think that
02:25:26.760the the things by the very nature um no pun intended of what you asked
02:25:34.280those things are localized to a specific area so i think those come into play a lot more
02:25:43.240in individual practice at locations because that's where those spirits are um i know that
02:25:50.600you know typically in an afa bloat we invite the gods in we invite the ancestors in but yet we also
02:25:57.320invite the land vatera the land spirits that are there in to to participate and to witness
02:26:03.160the ritual with us um i think those things are very important but they're much harder to put
02:26:09.000your finger on and they're so they're very often something that uh you know in a broadcast like
02:26:14.520this we don't talk about i think those things incorporate like i said much more localized and
02:26:20.680individual practice but we absolutely believe in various spirits that occupy the world around us
02:26:27.400that perhaps occupy our homes or our lands we try to make sure we honor the land spirits
02:26:34.520that occupy our sacred space on all of our hof grounds but yeah that is something that we we do
02:26:41.480believe in um but we don't personify every you know every stick every rock is having its own
02:26:51.960spirit we believe that spirits abide in those places and i think that's kind of a fundamental
02:26:58.520distinction as well but i think that comes up in what's fun just mentioned about home practice
02:27:04.760it's a way of respecting the land spirits to pour your your libation out on a special tree
02:27:11.480or a natural thing that's a focus of the worship for your family and for the land spirits in that
02:27:19.460area. And that's one of the kind of hallmark reasons that our ancestors would find a spring
02:27:25.360or a tree or a grove or an area particularly powerful is they would get a sense that that
02:27:30.700was an area that the spirits showed favor to or inhabited in some way. And so I think we do carry
02:27:37.980that on most of us you know in a very small way in our own yards i mean if we if we have a big
02:27:43.420amount of land certainly that's different but even if we have a yard with a tree in it
02:27:48.060we make that tree a focal point for that energy um alister asks is there any literature you can
02:27:56.140share on the folk futhark it's fine specifically on the folk futhark no this is a brand new thing
02:28:05.260um i mean again you would have to look at uh each of the individual futharks i think that would be
02:28:11.100the best place to start is to understand each piece but i will say one book uh that's very
02:28:18.780very interesting is uh exploring the runes by nigel pennick uh it's a it's um it's a visual
02:28:26.540book it's got a lot of pictures in it of different futharks and i found that really really uh
02:28:32.140interesting it's i don't know if it's even still available um it's a very large uh book um
02:28:39.980collages of photographs put into this book but uh that's one that i i you know that inspired it
02:28:46.460to begin with because it had all the futharks in it right next to each other and it really started
02:28:52.060to get the get the ball rolling on that um but outside of that i mean again uh you know your
02:29:00.060your usual sources of of runic knowledge um and and of course the internet itself but you know as
02:29:07.260far as uh individual meanings i mean they apply across all the futharks i didn't change any of
02:29:13.660the meanings or anything like that so it's not nothing official has come out about it from our
02:29:20.220end or from my end all right we got a question another question from zammo uh about the producing
02:29:29.660of food, chickens and crops, for example, it just happens for everyone else. What is different for
02:29:36.000us when we talk to the gods and offer to them in return? Chickens? I think his question might0.88
02:29:43.840have been cut off. Svan, can you go ahead and speak to that? Yeah, I have chickens. I may be
02:29:51.800a bit of a chicken farmer myself. No, uh, I, I have, um, always accompanied the fruitfulness
02:29:59.280of my, my garden and my animals to Frere, especially during the time in between, uh,
02:30:09.380charming of the plow and Freyfaxi that, that seems to be, uh, you know, it's, it's culturally
02:30:14.920and religiously our growing period, our, our time of preparation for the fields and for
02:30:20.820the animals. So, uh, I, I hold a lot of devotion to Frey, uh, in regards to the fruitfulness and
02:30:26.060protection of the animals that literally feed my children and, uh, the, the plants and things that
02:30:32.020I pull out of the ground. And, um, I think as, uh, if you're, you know, commercial farmer,
02:30:38.000this might be something, you know, in consideration if you own cattle or, uh, livestock,
02:30:43.280or if you're doing things like, uh, harvesting wool from sheep and llama, I mean, that's huge.
02:30:48.760I don't have a lot of experience in that. So I wouldn't really speak on that. But, you know, homesteading, homesteading, weekend setting, you know, doing things in which, you know, you're doing things in your backyard or you're doing things on the plot of land you have.
02:31:11.640yeah you can absolutely incorporate them into your religious life because they do
02:31:15.880feed you it's it is a form of your uh feo or your your fehu it's that power that you put in
02:31:23.880the work you put in and oftentimes the things you get out and sometimes the things that are
02:31:27.620outside of your control um you know i having bouts of where your livestock begin to uh
02:31:33.340to pass away or sometimes the funny stories that you have where you have to deal with them because
02:31:39.120are particularly ornery or particularly not intelligent so some of that is funny and you
02:31:45.320and you you'll learn a lot about life i think it's also very very important that you you do it with
02:31:49.820your children i i had a couple of my um you know they they got afflicted with blindness and we had
02:31:56.180to put them down and it's a big explanation for my eldest son what the menfolk needed to do in
02:32:00.820order to stop the suffering of these these poor animals so um my son and i you know went through
02:32:07.040the business of taking care of them. And I think there's huge lessons that we can learn about the
02:32:13.560spirits of animals and how they return back to that tree, to the source of all that life and
02:32:20.840begin the cycle again. So I hope that answers. Sierra asks, not sure if this has been asked yet,
02:32:28.700but Witten Svahn, you are hailed as one of the most knowledgeable about the lore and sagas and
02:32:35.240such which of the sagas is your favorite oh uh icelandic sagas or uh like what stories in
02:32:47.280in the adas um i mean i have to say like okay icelandic saga a yellow saga a skala grimson
02:32:57.000is top-notch reading it was just great uh he got fighting on the baltic sea to fighting in
02:33:04.920scotland to the tragedy of losing his sons and uh his poetic um nature and the dichotomy of how
02:33:14.920he could be a wretched wretched foe or a really really um uh
02:33:23.880you know beautiful poet and and and a lamenting father um
02:33:28.520um, and dealing with, like, Eirikur Blodax and that, you know, all that intrigue with York and
02:33:35.060all that, so as far as the sagas go, I would, I would definitely say Eil Saga would be my first
02:33:40.300and foremost, uh, favorite, um, as far as the, uh, as far as the, the, the prosadas and the adas,
02:33:52.600Um, I mean, the Velospow is probably I spent so much time studying the Velospow in its variant translations.
02:34:02.820The Havamol is is very good. And I have a lot of love for it and studying it.
02:34:07.720And it's the iterations of how it could possibly be three poems kind of comprised into one and a lot of the mystery behind all of that.
02:34:15.540But the Volusbau is by far my favorite because it just gives the front to the back.
02:34:25.040And the way that it's done, Odin going down and seeing the Volva and raising her and retching her out of the ground.
02:34:35.400and and then the interactions that they have with each other and the and the portents of doom
02:34:40.200that's breathed from her her her death lungs is that's so amazingly awesome that
02:34:48.920i can't express it enough that's one of my favorite is the volus valve
02:34:53.800so guys it's been uh it's been two and a half hours and we're still going um realize people
02:34:59.800on the east coast and certainly some of our international folks the time is not perfect for
02:35:05.240you guys please be aware that you can watch these replayed or this does come out on fridays on
02:35:11.320spotify as a podcast so if anybody's got to go to bed or whatever please please do check back in
02:35:18.840on those as promised we will hit all these questions before we sign off tonight
02:35:25.240um human manipulation wants to advise us to pray for south africa absolutely i think we should all
02:35:32.920take the time to pray for our folk in south africa but more than just praying for our folk
02:35:37.400in south africa if you would like and you're so inclined um if you wanted to donate to our south
02:35:42.840africa fund at runestone.org every quarter we pay out um the south africa family relief project
02:35:51.640that has um that gives food and provides housing and and takes care of some of our folks over there
02:35:59.040who are who are suffering some of the the violence and the persecutions over there
02:36:03.260um what's witness fawn's opinion on marvel thor and marvel odin and marvel frigga
02:36:09.880can i hide my disdain for all of that no i don't think
02:36:19.640video um i i would yeah the the the franchise and and and the only i i was told by a very wise man
02:36:31.560to always try to find the silver lining in things so i um i think silver lining of course would be
02:36:38.360that keeping the names of the gods alive in our overall arching society is about the biggest
02:36:49.000benefit i could find out of that outside of that i the the mixing of things that as far as
02:36:55.320the lore uh it's a it's abysmal it's it's really hard it's really hard to to to stomach in a lot
02:37:04.520of times where i'm just like what are they why but i've come to also understand one thing that's
02:37:10.920very very interesting is um our gods are heroic our gods are uh bombastic in our uh especially
02:37:21.960with interactions with our kids our children love to hear about the gods and the stories and when
02:37:25.560you read them the stories uh the actual stories there's no less a difference i think it's just
02:37:31.960you know you have one that's on a media drip that's like right on you know it's right into
02:37:37.720the veins from the television and we have to combat that by by um telling the actual stories
02:37:44.280of our gods and and really just getting into it um i think also too you know we've been making some
02:37:50.680moves towards the idea of of building children's books and having you know i be and maybe some
02:37:58.040others doing art and to show the gods in in the stories actually you know red thor with red beard
02:38:07.000you know, leaping over and crushing his enemies and reclaiming his hammer or, you know,
02:38:15.340driving them out and off the edges of cliffs and things.
02:39:02.640And all of a sudden, I heard some strange noises going on outside.
02:39:06.380and it just sounded like almost like static uh being played over a speaker and i came down from
02:39:13.360the ladder and i opened the door and looking out across i see this thunderstorm is just loaded
02:39:21.600in front of the hof and right as i open the door and kind of step out the the wind the pressure
02:39:28.300drop uh the movement and i had no doubt in my mind at that moment what was going on so i opened the
02:39:34.620doors to thor's off and i politely stepped out of this off to the side and all i could do
02:39:40.240was pensively wait and hope that and i was 100 sure that i was going to get a thumbs up or a
02:39:49.540thumbs down like i i had no doubt in my mind i was just pensively waiting for for the results of
02:39:56.140this inspection and uh the the wind started to die the storm showed up a light rain started to
02:40:05.240come down and i was i knew right then i was given permission to go back in and continue my work
02:40:11.800and that was something that truly happened and i still have that picture it's actually
02:40:16.000on my uh personal profile uh i'll i'll i'll post it in our um in our social medias but i still have
02:40:23.700picture i recently found it again because i got a new phone and uh yeah that was a moving truly
02:40:29.460moving moment for me uh yeah and i remember you telling me about that as it happened um
02:40:38.980yeah that's really it's really special and there's got to be something to that being your fear
02:40:43.300your first one as well um cliff asks i'll hear you go through matt you mentioned that you did
02:40:50.100funerals for non-afa members does the afa do weddings or baby namings etc for non-afa members
02:40:57.540why or why not i'm glad you asked that cliff i think this is good for everybody to kind of
02:41:01.620understand as for if we do weddings or baby namings for non-members no we do not um the
02:41:07.380difference in funerals is that person's life here in midgard is has ended and what's done is done
02:41:19.380that is an opportunity to honor that person's life and to you know do them that honor in that
02:41:26.500service and to do something nice for the family um and we're and we would like to do that we
02:41:32.660really encourage everyone if we're good enough to perform your wedding and if we're good enough to
02:41:39.220perform your baby naming then certainly we're good enough for you to be a member of our faith
02:41:45.060community and for you to to be a participant in our religion um we don't for the same token we don't
02:41:54.500do um show weddings you know if we do a wedding it's a legally binding wedding um
02:42:03.300because this is this is very serious to us and we're not going to exp
02:42:07.460I expend our spiritual, our spiritual might, our spiritual hymenia to people that don't want to
02:42:16.000actually participate in what we're doing and being a part of it. And so it's because we take
02:42:20.560it very seriously. It's not meant as any slight. But yeah, I think that's good for folks to know.
02:42:26.480And if people want us to do their wedding, then by all means join. We'd love to not only perform
02:42:30.800your wedding, but be a part of your lives and be a part of your relationship with the folk and the
02:42:35.160gods. Looks like we've got another donation from Reuben. Thank you, Reuben. Reuben says,
02:42:45.600I would love to see a movie about Jesus being a comedic relief with his apostles like some
02:42:51.560kind of dirty dozen traveling. Oh, and Mary being a stunning and brave woman oozing with
02:42:59.280girl power. I hope Marvel gets to do it. You know, as silly as that may sound, I certainly,1.00
02:43:06.820that's apples to apples. I don't think that's a reach. That's exactly what's being done. And I0.87
02:43:11.440think that's what a lot of us feel about the Thor and Asgardian references in Marvel.
02:43:21.480um so we have another question about the spirits we have an apple tree with all of our past animals
02:43:33.380buried under it with rocks as markers for each is this uh is this spot one I should consider
02:43:39.560designating for offerings absolutely I think that's a great idea and I think that's really
02:43:44.340cool that you that you have that um yeah that's really special i think that that's
02:43:52.340you have already made that a powerful space and i think directing your spiritual energies towards
02:43:58.660that space where you when you place your offerings is you're only going to add to that and and help
02:44:03.860that uh that cycle of spiritual energy that you have there i think that's that's the perfect spot
02:44:09.700for it lots of power in the apple tree to fruit bearing trees fruit bearing trees were were
02:44:15.860certainly you know the evidence that we have suggests that that was you know a preferred
02:44:20.820medium to carve runes in because trees that would bear fruit and bear life in that way had had an
02:44:27.140extra power to them michelle asks what are the qualifications for building an afa kindred
02:44:35.140uh basically three or more adult afa members uh that gets you started then contacting our kindred
02:44:43.860coordinator jason gallagher at j gallagher at runestone.org and there's i believe a six-month
02:44:52.660probationary period to get that going the idea isn't just to be a kindred but an afa kindred
02:44:58.740kindred where the afa is central to what you guys are built around and to to your faith
02:45:06.820so those those afa kindreds are something we're very proud of and they're defined by their loyalty
02:45:12.020to the afa and that gives them something solid to uh to build around uh witness fawn the michelangelo
02:45:21.620of the afa uh i have made that i've made that reference before
02:45:31.540sorry i made a joke i i uh yeah i mean uh i think that you have really really helped me understand
02:45:43.380actually that i was here ago they has really helped me understand my my place in this all
02:45:47.300because i think um you know i came into it not seeing myself as a mural painter or these things
02:45:54.100but that was here ago he has really kind of said you know this this there there could be a time in
02:45:58.900which your art is seen as an expression of an era um just like there are expressions of art in eras
02:46:07.060before from the 80s and the in the late 70s and also true when it and when it was formulating
02:46:13.060and getting started and and and that there's possibilities of more art and and uh expression
02:46:19.920from genuine also true faith believers in the future so i'm hoping and i really think it'd be
02:46:27.220really cool uh that my my children and uh and folk in the in the church or their generations
02:46:33.960thereafter might look back and say oh this was during the time that um you know swan was doing
02:46:39.380lot of the artwork in the temples and this is kind of the stuff he introduced and i think that
02:46:44.260would be really cool um i'm humbled but honored at the same time do people get non-participation
02:46:54.180trophies in the afa um not sure if i understand the question take a stab at it um certainly you
02:47:03.940know on the face of it no we're not going to give anybody a reward for not participation
02:47:08.660i think maybe you're asking if we do give any kind of awards for people that do participate
02:47:14.740if that's the case um i mean we always try to acknowledge our people that go above and beyond
02:47:19.780and do nice things um usually one of the ways people show of that going above and beyond is
02:47:25.700by volunteering for one of our leadership positions and if they do that and they uh
02:47:31.620you know become a folk builder then we do give out every year a folk building excellence award to
02:47:38.660know the folk builder that we think has performed the best in that previous year and so that's
02:47:43.380something we've been doing for six years now i believe um so i think that's my best attempt at
02:47:52.020that question kind of to follow up sierra asks what are the qualifications for becoming an
02:47:57.940apprentice folk builder folk builder and gothar respectively well as sierra laid out that's a
02:48:04.500a progression of things within the last couple of years we've made that that the case we've
02:48:10.660unified that tree to where the steps to getting to be a gothi are you first need to become a folk
02:48:17.060builder in order to be a folk builder you need to do your time apprenticing to be a folk builder
02:48:22.020qualifications for that are you have to want to and you have to be willing to make the time
02:48:27.780to devote to doing it it's not something you need to come in with a great amount of
02:48:32.820qualification other than with piety and a desire to to build the afa now so much is involved in
02:48:40.820that and our apprentice folk builders and folk builders work very very hard um you know uh and
02:48:46.740a gothi something to keep in mind isn't just a gothi they're a folk builder as well they have
02:48:53.300all the responsibilities a folk builder has and then their additional gothic responsibilities
02:48:58.980but yeah uh some of the things that are really important for a folk builder is to be reachable
02:49:05.240and interactive on our social media to build relationships with other afa leaders um it's a
02:49:12.600lot of back-end stuff that doesn't necessarily sound glamorous but it it allows us to have things
02:49:18.800work as efficiently as they do now we're really lucky to live in a time we have amazing folk
02:49:24.460builders that have done such an amazing job um so much of what they do you guys will never see or
02:49:30.060never know but i assure you it's it's one of the reasons that we're able to be so successful and
02:49:34.380we'll get some of our folk builders on in the coming weeks and months on this uh this program
02:49:40.060um so sierra also asks which hoffs are you guys most excited for obviously we can't wait to see
02:49:47.260them all erected but which one uh are each of you which ones are each of you looking forward to the
02:49:53.900most fun let's go you first tears off definitely tears off uh i also i really like uh i think
02:50:04.860tears off first but also braggis off and the idea of of the arts and and poetics and and music and
02:50:11.900and things of that and also uh for set these off because i think that's uh something that we
02:50:19.420we really we greatly need in our society is an understanding of of um of both legality and uh
02:50:27.420the ability for us to to reach agreements and to find wisdom in him and in order to better
02:50:34.860correlate our law our internal cultural law but um yeah tears off is my first answer
02:50:41.900You know, I'd say that I would also say Tiershof. We've got some special plans for that. I think Tiershof is going to be a really important one for us. And on a personal note, one that I think, you know, I'm very excited to see is Ullershof.
02:50:58.560I think that would be really special. And it all depends on where we end up putting that. But yeah, I think that would be a really special one. And I've always kind of been hopeful and excited about that one.
02:51:11.900Just another note to you guys, on the 13th and next month, we're having the dedication at Njortzhoff.
02:51:18.260And then the following weekend, we're having Fall Fest at Baldershoff in Minnesota.
02:51:23.380I'm going to turn and burn, and I'm going to be at both of those.
02:51:26.000If you guys can make it to either or both of those, I would love to see you guys there.
02:51:33.300I think we're running about to the end of the questions, and it's running pretty long.
02:51:37.520So let's let's go ahead. And if you have any last things you have to get in, go ahead and get them in.
02:51:42.320And then let's let's close off questions. We're almost at three hours tonight.
02:51:48.460And we'll try to get these last ones answered for you guys.
02:51:53.100At Midsommar, we do a Viking Games. Would it be possible to start a Odin Olympics of a sort once a year,
02:52:01.080once every other year, hosting a weekend of just showing up or showing off different skills and feats of strength?
02:52:07.520Is it possible? Yes. Do we have plans on doing that right now? No. But I think, you know, if we first, I think that any of those games to where we can show strength and skill and athleticism and have fun brings our folk together and is a cool, fun thing to do.
02:52:27.860If we did do something that you're suggesting like an Odin Olympics, I'd want it to be serious athleticism and not just goofing around backyard games.
02:52:38.400If we did it, I would want it to genuinely be a rigorous, athletic, very serious events to where much in the spirits of of the original Olympics that it would the athleticism itself would be a devotional honoring to our gods and something a little bit more serious.
02:53:01.080But, yeah, I'd be open to that at some point. I don't think we're we're at that point just yet.
02:53:05.380all right another question might seem silly but genuine question about offerings pets
02:53:11.700mainly because mom doesn't know i went pagan and a nice ritual for our cats dogs ducks geese deer
02:53:20.580would be a bridge for her swan you want to take this one sure uh well wait first and foremost uh
02:53:28.120i pagan yeah i say first shed that uh uh that word you you are you're coming back you're if
02:53:38.180you're if you believe in the gods you are also true you are true to the aesir and or the aesir
02:53:43.680and so claim that and uh so that way you know you're not you're not working from a deficit
02:53:49.980word like pagan or heathen or you know again some sort of insulting word but that's just
02:53:55.440is semantics. Um, one thing that you could definitely do is a blessing of the animals.
02:54:01.760If you're, if you're doing a blessing of the animals, um, the idea of taking some sort of
02:54:07.280medium, whether it's, uh, you know, milk, uh, mead, um, sacred water, water drawn from somewhere
02:54:16.020water that take, even if you draw water from a source that say, for instance, um,
02:54:20.360a river source or a lake source that might not be where it looks murky and you go through the
02:54:26.260process of purifying it you actually take time to uh filter it and go through it you're actually
02:54:33.860weaving a lot of your weird into it you can then uh ask the gods to bless that water to protect
02:54:40.560your your flock to protect your uh your herds um and incorporate your if you're trying to get
02:54:48.440your family into it um you know absolutely uh ask them to uh hold the bowl with you and pray
02:54:56.820into the water or pray into the milk or into the mead or or whatever it might be because obviously
02:55:02.540you know you might not want to cover your hands like a sticky sweet substance it's like it's kind
02:55:08.100of kind of intuitive in certain sense but um you know placing your your faith into that medium
02:55:15.100and then sprinkling the animals or one of you taking the animals and walking them by the person
02:55:22.300that's holding the bowl that has the prayers in it and that they brush the animals with a with a
02:55:27.880tine or a small twig uh that's you know uh that's dipped into the bowl and then blessed over the
02:55:35.680animals i think that's a good way if you're talking about blessing and giving offering and
02:55:41.940asking the gods to protect and to also incorporate your family.
02:55:46.340And they could pray really as they fill the pool.
02:55:51.260I think the idea would be praying to the ancestors,
02:55:54.840or just praying for protection and placing that within that median
02:56:00.420and then blessing the animals with it would be a great first step
02:56:04.400for them to understand the process of our gift cycling
02:56:08.260and how we gift cycle and how we we kind of interact with with uh divinity whether it's
02:56:16.220the land spirits our ancestors or the gods so okay next question braggies off when i can't give
02:56:24.560you an answer on that chronologically but i can give you an answer that in order so uh we need
02:56:31.820to pay off New York's Hoff. And once we've paid off New York's Hoff and met a couple
02:56:37.220other qualifications that we're working on, we're going to get Fraze Hoff. Following
02:56:44.460Fraze Hoff, we're going to establish Tiers Hoff. Following Tiers Hoff will be Braggie's
02:56:50.540Hoff. So it's all how fast we can get those things accomplished. At the rate we're going,
02:56:56.800I don't think it'll be very long. American Beowulf asked, can you get a hoff made near
02:57:02.560Holiday, Florida, mid Florida? Yes, we have one. It's called Newhart's Hoff and it's only three
02:57:08.420hours away. Absolutely. It would be great to have, to live in a day where, you know, every town has
02:57:16.820a hoff in it and we'll get there one of these days. But in the near future, one of the challenges1.00
02:57:23.260is to get our Hoffs spread out enough to where all of our folk are able to attend these events
02:57:29.240and come and worship the gods at one of our Hoffs.
02:57:32.420A three-hour drive to one of our Hoffs is, you know, it's a long drive,
02:57:38.660but it's very doable for a lot of our people.
02:57:40.660I know people drive substantially more than that to go to our Hoffs
02:57:45.180on any of our scheduled days that we have an event at a Hoff.
02:57:49.420um so yeah it's a little bit of a distance but it's well worth traveling to i think it'll be
02:57:55.520you know before florida comes up in the rotation again it'll probably be a little bit um we've got
02:58:01.260a lot of other folks to to make sure they have a hof close to but i would encourage you to do
02:58:06.140what it takes to to go that three hours up to that hof if it's important to you i think a lot
02:58:11.920of people don't a lot of people don't realize the gas time that you and i uh i think a lot of
02:58:18.380leadership put in. I travel three and a half hours with my children and my wife and we all go.
02:58:24.940So if you can make it, if we can make it, you can make it, you know, get that road time.
02:58:31.160All right. So do you have to be a folk builder to get folks together and do moots in your area?0.65
02:58:36.420If I'm not a folk builder, how do I know who's in my area and who to contact in order to have
02:58:41.260a successful moot? First, no, you do not have to be a folk builder to get folks together. We would
02:58:46.900love for all of you guys to get folks together. And our folk builders would love to help you do
02:58:51.500that. If you want to find out how to make that happen, how to contact people, how to set up an
02:58:57.120event in your area, reach out to your local folk builder. You can find your local folk builders
02:59:02.180on each of our Hoffs sites. Nick will go ahead and throw those sites up for you guys to take a look
02:59:08.720at. And then the follow-up question to that, also by Sierra, is, and what is a moot? A moot is a
02:59:15.480word that basically means a meeting. It's, you know, any of our meetings where our folks get
02:59:20.880together outside of a, you know, a Hoff event, we typically refer to as moots. And that's all that0.94
02:59:28.040is. Don't be intimidated by the word. If you just want to have people over your house, we call it a
02:59:33.260moot and that's great. If you want to have people over to a restaurant to share a meal or out to the
02:59:37.340bar to share a drink, if you're doing that to get together with other AFA members, call it a moot
02:59:41.860that's fantastic um llamas plans it's fine you want to take that one uh you mean the the celebrating
02:59:53.620of llamas that is the question uh is that i think it's about lorenzo right the renegade uh
03:00:06.820And we're talking about Laufmas or what we call Freyfaxi. Freyfaxi is, I mean, for us, especially the culmination of Laufmas or Loafmas at the end of the harvest season, the second harvest season, I can tell one thing.
03:00:25.580I can't wait because I'm going to start seeing the bread horses.
03:00:29.860That's a cultural thing for us to see those horses being made and decorated and pictures of them and all their glory, whether good or bad.
03:00:40.160They're awesome. Just a great time in that year.
03:00:42.280I know that each of the Hoffs will probably be holding, you know, harvest festival and, you know, bread, beer, things that be showcased there.
03:00:55.640I think we always kind of do a thing where we try to have people bring food that they want to showcase specifically in relation to the harvest.
03:01:04.820um uh you know oats and wheat if you're on the low carb diet it's the day to lament and shed a tear
03:01:11.860and then let go and let carbs um happen um it's a beautiful time i think uh obviously that's the
03:01:19.160it's the end of the planting season it's the end of the it's the end of the entirety of the season
03:01:23.540and it brings close uh the what started at uh charming of the plow and so that once
03:01:31.640freyfaxi lofmas llamas uh once that begins to pass um you know we turn our our our faces towards
03:01:42.100the twilight of the year and we begin to see the celding and we begin to see the winter time come
03:01:48.200so it's the last hurrah i'm really i think all the all the temples are going to be you know given
03:01:54.260to that and i think that um you know if you're an afa member or if you're looking to celebrate at
03:01:59.440home there's a lot of cool stuff and i you know i'll post recipes for that horse and let's see
03:02:06.000some bread horses and and um and give thanks to frey as he returns back to the uh the ethereal
03:02:14.400realms as he goes back to the with his retinue of light and uh and girtha bids him farewell
03:02:23.440i mean i guess that's all i got on that one i don't all right well do we have any thoughts
03:02:28.160on armaninism let's go get you first spawn uh i have i do not have as much uh a a huge background
03:02:42.640on it um i i know of some uh maybe two in particular uh within the afa that have a very
03:02:52.320uh huge corpus of knowledge about the arman and futhark and um and uh you know i would always
03:03:00.780guide people to them my my knowledge of it is is um more or less structural to understand
03:03:08.600uh the movements um and i still see it as a possibility of delving into hero worship when i
03:03:15.880I can try to turn my head towards Maestro von List and look at him and give homage to him as he is a hero of Othenshof.
03:03:27.780So maybe at a certain point I can turn my devotionals towards him and kind of delve into his works and pray to him and ask him for guidance as well or at least give homage to him as an ancestor of the pinnacle parts of runic lore that he's given.
03:03:45.880But as of right now, it's just structural for me.
03:03:50.280So, I mean, my thoughts, first, in the AFA, we honor Maestro Guido von List as one of our heroes.
03:04:00.320His reawakening of our spirituality at that time was very important to what we do today.
03:04:07.800And I think that there's genuine inspiration behind his runes.
03:04:12.660I can't say I'm super familiar with the current iteration of the Arminen order or how that all
03:04:21.220works. I think that the AFA is the vehicle for Alcetru and for the worship of Odin,
03:04:32.000which Maestro von List was all about. And as a child, he vowed to build a temple to Odin.
03:04:40.300And we honor him at our temple to Odin in a way of posthumously fulfilling that for him.
03:04:48.320And so I think that there's great things that way.
03:04:50.680But as far as a vehicle moving forward and moving that mission ahead, I think the AFA is the option for that.
03:05:01.840Zamos says, no insult meant, I say, pagan as an outsider, understand.
03:05:08.040uh how do we describe ourselves to others folkish it's hard to perceive it from an outside view
03:05:15.720that's one of the reasons uh that i always use the word ausitru i want us to own that i want us to
03:05:23.480define that it's not a it's not so some people prefer heathen or pagan but those are terms that
03:05:33.560others called us in relation to themselves um i like the word also true because it is a self
03:05:42.440defining and a lot of people think it means a belief in the gods but it doesn't
03:05:48.040it means a trough with a loyalty to those gods so it doesn't just mean we believe in in the
03:05:55.400icier it means that we we are loyal to the icier uh so i use that i use that exclusively the more
03:06:04.360you use other words to describe it the more it loses its power and its meaning the more you
03:06:10.920keep all of that meaning harnessed in one word that defines what we are uh the more powerful it
03:06:16.440is so we we refer to ourselves as also true when you say folkish i think we're getting past a time
03:06:24.360where you need to say folkish the only also true that's legitimate is folkish also true
03:06:30.600anything else is simply not also true and we've seen others who are you know universalist claiming
03:06:37.960to be also true no longer want to claim that because it's too too associated with us instead
03:06:44.440they'd rather call themselves anything else and that's uh that's fine by me uh vril says i've
03:06:53.240worn an erminsel around my neck for over a decade now since it speaks more deeply to me as opposed
03:06:58.360to the mjolnir is this sacrilege no of course it's not sacrilege i think it is less practical
03:07:05.560just like i think that um just like i said earlier about using the term also true instead of
03:07:10.840something else it's not wrong to call our faith a different word but it it scatters that cohesiveness
03:07:19.160and it makes it less recognizable to other people if we all wear mjolnir's then people have a very
03:07:26.280strong association of what the mjolnir is and what it represents if you know those of us particularly
03:07:33.880connected to thor wear a mjolnir and the ones to odin wear a spear and perhaps the ones to tear
03:07:39.320wear an ermensel and with frey wear a boar it scatters that cohesion and it's it doesn't have
03:07:47.080the same impact when somebody sees it like aha a hammer that guy's also true so i mean i'd suggest0.66
03:07:52.920wearing it for that purpose but it's not sacrilegious i'm sure the gods are very honored by
03:07:57.320your your choice of religious medallion and culturally culturally inside i think everybody
03:08:03.000inside our faith wouldn't take that as a fence or anything at all it's it's more or less engaging
03:08:09.400with people outside the guard outside the the yeah all right guys it's over three hours i've
03:08:17.720got two more questions and then i'm gonna call a hard stop and we'll make sure we have svan back
03:08:22.680with us very soon because he's doing an amazing job uh matt and svan any plans or thoughts on
03:08:29.640establishing hoffs outside the u.s it's fun go first oh i uh wow uh you just threw that right
03:08:39.720on me um i think first and foremost our brothers and sisters overseas have a certain they have
03:08:48.280obligations and things that they need to hurdle over they need to really get organized and start
03:08:53.400uh you know um not getting caught up in a lot of the stuff that um you know this is the way we do
03:09:00.840things here this that's the way things you do things over there no just do things that succeed
03:09:05.720and the things we're doing here are succeeding so do them there and succeed and then i think that um
03:09:13.880you know there's a lot of modernity in especially like i i you know i'm i live in america i've been
03:09:19.560here since i was very very little but i have family i i have very close siblings in in iceland
03:09:25.080and um and things like that so i'm familiar with uh especially like scandinavia i understand
03:09:31.480there's modernity there's a lot of uh notions of things where they have a hard time getting
03:09:37.560into the spiritual life of things sometimes and um but i think that there's a lot of potential
03:09:43.400for all of them to move and get together and once they do and start to create that community uh
03:09:51.000absolutely i think we should look at them as viable things i think there's nothing uh the
03:09:56.520auslature folk assembly i know i would be very much in support and would and would lean to ask
03:10:03.320the else here to really consider it that you know building temples in the ancestral homes of our folk
03:10:11.560are paramount we just when it comes to the freedoms of real estate the freedoms of property
03:10:18.680the freedoms of tax uh in other countries it becomes very very difficult uh and so i think
03:10:25.640those are hurdles that we need on both sides of the water to really tackle and get down we need
03:10:31.720somebody on the ground they're really working through the network of whatever type of legalities
03:10:38.200they have to go through the linguistic stuff obviously we're coming from a linguistic deficit
03:10:43.480if it's in italy or if it's in eng or i mean not england but uh sweden or you know in denmark or
03:10:49.560something like that we we would have to move with a lot of guidance and help but i think that would
03:10:55.560be awesome south africa australia so i think that would be awesome too all the logistical challenges
03:11:04.680spawn mentioned are a real thing now they're challenges we would rise to and i would very
03:11:10.040much like to make happen uh first and foremost we need to establish healthy and sizable communities
03:11:19.880of afa members in these other countries on top of that we need to have reliable leadership in these
03:11:27.640other countries that will you know we've learned that it's not just about establishing a hof
03:11:34.600that's a challenge in and of itself but it's about maintaining and caring for it and being there to
03:11:42.200to occupy it and to make use of it and to sanctify it for years to come um and we need those stable
03:11:49.960communities and those stable leaders uh right now we're not there internationally i would love to
03:11:55.640see them i think that sweden would probably be the first if everything went the way that it's
03:12:02.520currently going they would probably be the first country for us to have an international hoff in
03:12:08.120but i think that you know within our lifetimes a hoff in sweden uh one in perhaps australia and i
03:12:14.920would love to see one in south africa but again that all that all depends on folks in those areas
03:12:21.800stepping up and it it making sense um we have to put a hof where it's where it's going to be well
03:12:27.960attended to where we have leadership to where we have gothar we need we need a priest to officiate
03:12:34.040at our hof so all those things would need to happen in order to make that a realistic situation
03:12:39.080and i hope it does very soon uh and last question of the night american beowulf does newfoundland
03:12:47.400have a hoff no it does not um i think a canadian hoff would be a neat thing as well i think if we
03:12:56.040did one in canada it would probably be in ontario right now with the way things are growing or
03:13:02.280perhaps british columbia but we'll see um thank you guys so much for the amazing talk tonight
03:13:10.120with all the great questions i appreciate your patience thank you so much everybody who's donated
03:13:16.520and thank you very much my good friend witness von harrell you have been an amazing guest it's
03:13:22.360been a pleasure to have you on and talk with you this evening thank you for having me all right
03:13:28.040guys well it's been over three hours it's late for spawn let him get some sleep and get myself
03:13:33.320some dinner uh hail the gods hail the folk hail the afa and remember victory never sleeps hail