Asatru Folk Assembly - 7⧸30⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 160 - A Fifth of Brandy： Relationships with the Ásynjur

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00:03:00.000 Good evening, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Victory Never Sleeps. My name is

00:03:12.920 Witten Brandy, and I am joined by our beautiful Githia Anna, Githia Lauren, Githia Katie,

00:03:22.360 githia heather and githia sheila and we'll also be joined by another guest um our githia student

00:03:32.280 uh sarah alt who will be popping in to join us later so i want to welcome you all to the show

00:03:37.640 it's always special when there's a group this size on victory never sleeps and it's always

00:03:46.060 special when it's the lovely ladies that I talk to on a regular basis, that I can go to when

00:03:54.340 things are hard, that I can celebrate with when things are good, and that I have the opportunity

00:04:01.340 to share this experience with. So thank you to each and every Githya who is on this call. I

00:04:06.600 appreciate you being here. Thank you guys for being here. So you got a few top of the show things.

00:04:13.200 um first thing that we want to go ahead and note is thank you for all of the questions that have

00:04:19.780 already been emailed in and sent in uh for me and the other ladies on this call you make us feel

00:04:25.440 loved and popular we appreciate that thank you very very much uh let's just start off thanking

00:04:30.840 gw farnsworth who donated 25 to vns and 25 to phrasehoff uh so we appreciate your generosity

00:04:39.060 every time that you donate. It means a lot. It means a lot to your folk. It means a lot to the

00:04:43.940 church, and we appreciate everything that you're doing there. A couple other top-of-the-show

00:04:49.820 things. We do have several things going on. First, let's talk about where you can find us.

00:04:56.420 If our producer Nick could put up all of those awesome places where you can find us,

00:05:00.380 you can find us on Odyssey, Twitch, Twitter, Rumble, YouTube, VK. We also stream on several

00:05:07.380 other areas. Yeah, there we are. Apple, Spotify, iHeartRadio, Amazon. We are just about everywhere

00:05:15.580 that you are. So you can catch us on any of those platforms. If you have not already, please make

00:05:21.940 sure that you find us on Twitter. We're very active. We publish all of the good things that

00:05:29.140 we're doing, all of our people getting together, all of our holidays, all of our community service

00:05:32.960 and all of the wonderful things that are happening in AFA,

00:05:35.600 definitely check us out there.

00:05:37.840 You can find us at Folk As A True on Twitter or on X,

00:05:41.100 formerly Twitter, whatever the kids are saying these days.

00:05:45.540 A couple other things that we got going on,

00:05:47.800 and we are going to be fortunate to have several ladies

00:05:50.940 that work very closely with the As A True Academy.

00:05:53.860 But if you are interested in registering your child

00:05:56.120 for the As A True Academy, that is open and rolling now.

00:06:00.240 You can learn more at asatrueacademy.org.

00:06:02.700 and we will talk a little bit later on this evening about when we get Sarah on a little bit

00:06:09.620 about what the ladies on this call do for the Academy, the support that the Academy gives to

00:06:14.720 our parents and how you can get involved. So make sure you visit asatrueacademy.org and take a look

00:06:20.180 at that. We've also got a few events coming up. If producer Nick could just help me out and start

00:06:25.520 throwing those up in chronological order. The first one that we've got coming is going to be

00:06:30.140 Frey Faxi at Baldur's Hoff. And that's going to be the fourth weekend of August, the 22nd through

00:06:35.280 the 24th. Please come out. It's going to be our fifth anniversary. That's a big deal for myself

00:06:43.120 and for Githya Anna, who was there building that place with me when it still was terrifying and

00:06:49.500 scary, but yet wonderful at the same time. So it is our fifth anniversary this year of having that

00:06:56.740 building. So we are very, very excited and very, very proud. The building is beautiful. The people

00:07:02.200 are wonderful. It's going to be good food, good frith, and worship of our God. So please join us

00:07:08.720 for that. We've got a lot of exciting things going on. I hear, I hear, I hear that there's going to

00:07:16.940 be an ice bucket challenge with the leadership of Baldursoff. So if anybody's interested in that,

00:07:22.840 there is a five-gallon bucket of icy cold water with ice in it just waiting to be dumped on the

00:07:29.620 heads of leadership. And I hear, I hear, the masked Folker who runs around and terrorizes us at events,

00:07:38.660 we can never catch him. He's in, he's out. Senior Folk Builder Jason Gallagher has decided that

00:07:45.260 during the ice bucket challenge, if the masked Folker shows up, we are to tie him down.

00:07:51.660 and we are to dump an ice bucket on top of that man's head if we can catch him that's the thing

00:07:59.900 if you can catch it if you can catch him we don't know who he is he's he's a man of mystery but he

00:08:06.800 shows up and he terrorizes us at our event so if we see this guy everybody grab put him in here

00:08:11.880 we're dumping some water on him so so says senior folk builder jason gallagher he's yet to beat the

00:08:17.920 man for some strange reason. Every time senior folk builder Gallagher leaves, the mass folk

00:08:23.680 or shows up. We seem to think it's because he's terrified of Jason, you know, because

00:08:28.220 of he's Jason. So if you see him, you grab him. All right. All kinds of other cool things

00:08:36.720 we got going on. Next event that we have coming up following Frey Faxi is going to be winter

00:08:42.620 nights. Stay tuned for the location on that. We're looking at the dates of August 10th

00:08:47.660 the 12 uh 10 through 12 and you're going to see a lot of amazing leadership there uh githya katie

00:08:53.900 will be there running the events and making sure everybody's having a good time so make sure you

00:08:59.180 check back for that also for our ladies in the afa this is not going to be a surprise

00:09:09.100 for some of them it might be if you are not in our mewe group which if you're not in our

00:09:13.500 a MeWe group, you really should be because that's where you get all of the special announcements

00:09:19.640 and previews of all the things that we've got coming. But producer Nick, do you have our ladies

00:09:25.140 retreat coming up? Look at that. We are holding a ladies only retreat in 2026. Now this says

00:09:33.140 September 11th through the 13th. This is September 11th through the 13th, 2026. So you have a year

00:09:40.240 to budget. You have a year to plan. You have a year to find somebody to watch the kids. You have

00:09:47.260 a year to prepare your husband or your significant other for your absence, to spend three days of

00:09:54.020 personal and spiritual development with your sisters in the AFA, and that will be at Odenshof

00:10:01.620 in California. Tickets will be on sale in October, and they are very reasonably priced as this is

00:10:09.780 more of a spiritual development for our ladies and a chance to get away and do our things. So

00:10:16.300 look for that coming in October for tickets, but those are the dates there, and it will be at

00:10:20.540 Odenshof in California. Plans are in place. Schedules are done. Menu is prepared. We are

00:10:26.380 ready to go. We just need you. A couple other things that we've got going on in there. Please

00:10:35.680 make sure that you are checking runestone.org. Check that calendar for all of the amazing events

00:10:40.880 that we have going on all across the country and all across the world for the Astro Folk Assembly.

00:10:46.400 Also, check out your district websites. The Odentop District, Baldur's Hoff, Thor's Hoff,

00:10:53.680 New York's Hoff. They're all right there, my friends. Check those out. Check those calendars.

00:10:58.500 See what's going on near you. You can't say that there's nothing going on near you because there

00:11:04.680 is there is you can also check the calendar for all of the great if you are isolated and you're

00:11:11.700 looking for some some time to spend with your folk there are all kinds of virtual moots classes

00:11:17.700 and meetings that you can attend those can also be found on the websites so make sure you check

00:11:23.740 those out and update that we've got for phrase hot fun let's go ahead and talk about that a little

00:11:31.640 bit. That's exciting. We are currently, as of right now, we have $8,920 in that war chest. And

00:11:43.100 if you want to contribute to that, you can go donate to the Frazehoff Fund on runestone.org.

00:11:50.300 Every little bit helps. And you guys are making that number climb higher and higher and higher

00:11:54.860 every single week. Also, we do have the Frazehoff Fundraiser. And I'm going to let Katie talk about

00:12:01.320 this here in just a moment um donation level of 500 or more is that is that correct katie can you

00:12:06.920 talk about these horns a little bit yes so anybody who has donated to the phrase phrase

00:12:13.560 hop fund from the beginning of the phrase off fund so uh heading back to 2002 22 rather i think

00:12:22.120 um cliff remembers the exact date but from the moment of its inception until the day we dedicate

00:12:27.160 anybody who donates cumulatively five hundred dollars or more will be uh elevated to carl level

00:12:34.680 donator um our carl level level donators all receive one of these horns that i am carving uh

00:12:44.360 they all will look like the one you see pictured here um the horn will be different some of them

00:12:48.600 won't you know be darker horns or whatever but it'll be this design and they are our phrase

00:12:54.920 Hoff donation horns you can't get them after the dedication once the the Hoff has been dedicated

00:13:02.280 we will no longer be giving out these uh you'll also get your name uh on our plaque of recognition

00:13:09.640 um which means that for the rest of time your name will be in the Hoff as being recognized for

00:13:18.200 somebody who went above and beyond and and contributed financially to the making phrase

00:13:24.280 hawk happen um and anybody who donates a thousand dollars or more cumulatively up until the

00:13:30.440 dedication will receive this horn uh they will get their name on the plaque and they will also be

00:13:35.880 given a special um afa card uh we give these out uh something similar i think sheila could probably

00:13:43.320 talk on it better but like a little wooden card just saying you're an extra special afa member

00:13:49.160 um and you'll also receive three free race off national event visits for you and your family

00:13:56.760 if you have one so um as long as you are a member in good standing you have the opportunity to come

00:14:04.280 to three national events and phrase off for free to use whenever because okay i'm not going to say

00:14:11.480 you have to use them consecutively not you can't always get away so thank you ma'am

00:14:20.520 speaking of wonderful ways that you can help your folk um and honor the gods if producer

00:14:26.440 nick's got something that shows the other wonderful ways that you can donate we do have

00:14:31.560 all kinds of other donations we've got folk services we've got vns we've got the academy

00:14:38.200 We've got our fund for South Africa.

00:14:41.060 We have a ton of different ways that you can get involved.

00:14:44.740 Okay.

00:14:45.580 Also, speaking of getting involved, does everybody on this call know that everybody here knows what a folk builder is and everybody here knows what a Githia is and what a Gothia is?

00:14:58.720 do you guys realize how much we rely on volunteers that don't necessarily want to be leadership or

00:15:07.360 can't be leadership at this time we can always use volunteers to make the engine run and to make the

00:15:14.400 church go so if you are interested in volunteering whether it be in uh editorial um you know music

00:15:22.940 writing Sunday school helping us with that any of those things that you have a talent for

00:15:29.740 there's something that we can do to help you get involved so if you're not in a place in your life

00:15:36.060 where you would like to be leadership or you're not in a place in your life where you can do that

00:15:39.700 you can still be involved we have plenty of volunteers that help with hop stewardship

00:15:43.840 taking care of the kitchens helping with the academy helping with all kinds of different

00:15:49.320 ministries that we have classes artwork um publications we've got we've got lots of things

00:15:55.960 that you could do that you don't have to be an oath folk builder or an ordained go the ergithia

00:16:00.880 to do so if you're interested in that uh please reach out for out to us let us know what your

00:16:05.300 talents and interests are and we'll find a spot all right and it looks like we do have all kinds

00:16:12.560 of questions that are already piling up so before we get into the main event of the night which i

00:16:17.040 hope you guys enjoy and you get an inside look to what happens when all of the Githias get together.

00:16:25.360 That's going to be our main event. But let's go ahead and get some of these questions knocked

00:16:28.400 out of the way. Witten East, doesn't that sound nice? Doesn't that sound nice? Witten East asks,

00:16:37.760 good evening, ladies. For each of you, is there a particular Asenia that you have a special

00:16:43.700 relationship with. So since I'm just going to go in the order that I've got up at the screen. So

00:16:51.240 Gidna, Anna, is there a particular Asenia that you have a special relationship with?

00:17:01.740 Well, Air, first and foremost, Air is very much tied in with my profession as a nurse.

00:17:08.240 um and also recently iduna but i don't know if i want to be giving away our

00:17:14.680 what we're going to talk about so i'll just leave it at air and iduna that's fair

00:17:20.100 githia lauren do you have someone in particular that's question to you

00:17:26.320 yes um i'm also kind of um attached to ar i've turned to her for healing in my life

00:17:36.320 And I've witnessed other people turning to her, too, and she is very kind and attentive if you reach out to her.

00:17:45.040 So I kind of I feel of a connection to her, too.

00:17:50.300 Yeah.

00:17:52.300 Githya, Sheila, is there a particular asinia that you are close to and have built a relationship with?

00:17:58.040 if you are at our symbols that we do it in soft you'll hear me oftentimes hail air for the same

00:18:07.360 reason we have so many people in the afa who are in need of all kinds of help whether it's spiritual

00:18:15.200 help or help with illnesses those kinds of things and it seems to be pretty ongoing so i have called

00:18:22.860 on her many many times on behalf of the folk but personally over the years i have called on

00:18:29.020 gevin a lot and geffen is a goddess that we often will remember at charming of the plow

00:18:36.140 for her role in our mythology of um creating part of uh denmark um cutting off an island there

00:18:47.580 and having been to denmark back in 2013 the whole place has a real soft spartan soft spot in my heart

00:18:55.260 so um i love thinking about her the whole idea of the plow in february and all so in decorating her

00:19:02.460 plow with flowers which is what we do anyway so geffian has been historically one that i've

00:19:07.260 called called on many many times and done bloat to in fact thank you ma'am and sarah is there a

00:19:15.580 particular asinia or few asinia that uh you are are building relationships with that you have

00:19:22.540 thoughts on close to um i have i have a very close relationship with frig and over the last year i've

00:19:33.120 been developing a relationship with vor that has been pretty cool for me so wonderful and for those

00:19:43.740 I told you guys our Githya student, Sarah, would be attending the call here, popping in.

00:19:49.020 Everybody say hello to our Githya student, Sarah.

00:19:51.540 We are all so proud of her.

00:19:55.380 That is why she is on this call right now, is she has made so many contributions, not

00:20:02.920 just to the church, but to the core of Githya, the Githya that you see sitting here with

00:20:08.280 you.

00:20:08.480 so she is a she has been amazing to work with um as a friend as a folk builder and now as a

00:20:16.400 githya student so on behalf of on behalf of all the people sitting on this call we appreciate

00:20:21.920 you ma'am and we are glad that you are here with us thank you and githya katie is there a particular

00:20:29.920 assania that you are building relationships with have a good relationships with

00:20:33.760 uh yeah i have it's ever evolving obviously because as we learn and we grow we we learn

00:20:42.320 new things about ourselves and it it attracts uh it attracts us to different things i don't know

00:20:49.360 uh when i became a mom i i became much more in tune with brick than i had ever been previously

00:20:56.080 obviously being a mom makes sense um also working with our ladies and heirs blessings

00:21:02.880 um helped me really build a relationship with air and i see in some of our comments over on youtube

00:21:09.440 that people have commented on the fact that it has a very strong air blessing like an air cult

00:21:18.560 i guess and it's really true a lot of our women are very work very closely with air to help

00:21:24.000 kill our folk and that's really cool but those are my two main ones i'm beginning to grow i'm

00:21:30.080 beginning to branch out and learn new things so who knows who knows where it will be next year

00:21:36.880 if we have this chat again githya heather is there a particular austinia that you are close to

00:21:47.280 um well when i joined the afa it was frig because even now that my kids are adults

00:21:54.880 there. I still worry about them constantly.

00:21:59.260 And then two years ago, I

00:22:03.120 formed a very, very special bond with

00:22:07.120 air. So those

00:22:11.160 are the two right now.

00:22:17.260 As us ladies have been working,

00:22:19.340 I've been, you know, working on building more

00:22:22.560 relationships as we go so for me um i try to have that relationship with all of them but the one

00:22:33.840 that i feel that i work and work with is not the right word but the one that i think i've built

00:22:41.440 the strongest relationship with um especially through the gift cycle um and through you know

00:22:47.960 through work at the altar and things like that would be sauga um sauga we are not going to fall

00:22:55.640 down a rabbit hole this early on bns and for everybody who knows what i'm talking about

00:23:01.480 i i did it myself ladies i covered up the rabbit hole before we jumped down it but

00:23:07.000 sauga has always been very very dear to me um i have worked very very hard to build that

00:23:15.160 relationship um just for all the wonderful things that she can do and she can give guidance on and

00:23:22.520 and what we can turn to her for but that is for down the road we'll get into her in a little bit

00:23:30.520 um also while we have been on we do have a few more donations that i do want to give thanks for

00:23:36.840 alexander casto donated a hundred dollars to phrase half fund thank you sir that is very very

00:23:43.080 deeply appreciated and ronald blake bought us five coffees five so that's 25 so thank you

00:23:52.040 so much ronald blake and it's hail the hail all thank you so much sir it's very appreciated

00:23:59.080 all right so we do have a few more questions before we get down to business

00:24:03.960 all right uh austin in wisconsin asks good evening ladies why are afa women the best

00:24:13.080 I'm going to start off with, we're going to go the reverse order now. So, Githya Heather,

00:24:21.680 why are the AFA ladies the best?

00:24:27.160 Because we are. I think it's because of the bonds that we have together. Even if we're very,

00:24:39.360 very far away we're really really close even if we don't talk every day um there are bonds

00:24:48.080 between us that you know the frith and and the bonds that we build with the ladies it's different

00:24:55.840 than what i call the outside world i call i have my afa world and then the outside world

00:25:01.680 so i always say the ladies in the afa are different than the ladies in the outside world you know

00:25:09.360 Absolutely ma'am. Githya Katie, why are AFA women the best?

00:25:18.240 I think a lot of it has to do with most of us, we choose to be here. You know, we recognize

00:25:26.300 the flaws in how things are done in the outside world as far as how women treat women, as

00:25:33.240 far as how women are treated or expected to act in certain social ways and we most of us reject

00:25:42.840 those social norms norms to choose and we choose to be here we choose to be living in a way that

00:25:53.160 is is acceptable for us when we accept we want to face our ancestors and our gods as

00:26:04.120 honestly and nobly as any of our men do and so we choose to live that way and because we're all

00:26:10.360 choosing to live this way we all i think that helps build those bonds that heather was talking

00:26:16.680 about because we're not we're not just here we're here because we want to be here because

00:26:22.040 we're awesome for women and not very many women do that thank you ma'am sarah why are afa women the best

00:26:35.560 we um we are very welcoming and supportive of each other my background is very much a place

00:26:44.280 where women wear background noise and we are we are partners we are we help maintain the balance

00:26:52.040 I often think back on when I first came to the AFA.

00:26:57.440 My husband had already been a member,

00:27:00.120 and going up to spend time with the Northern Blood Kindred

00:27:04.640 was just such an eye-opening experience for me.

00:27:09.300 The women in that kindred just welcomed me with open arms,

00:27:12.700 and they explained the things with bloat,

00:27:15.320 and they made me a part of everything,

00:27:17.180 And it was that welcoming love that they showed me made me want to emulate it to other women.

00:27:26.580 We're us.

00:27:27.980 We are.

00:27:30.060 Githia, Sheila, why are AFA women the best?

00:27:38.520 It's one thing.

00:27:39.660 Elcidre is who we are.

00:27:41.280 It simply is who we are.

00:27:42.480 We're meant to be here.

00:27:43.760 We know that.

00:27:44.580 we encourage others to find this way we so honor life from birth to death that

00:27:51.900 everyone here I feel is my family and it's sad to say but we're often much

00:27:57.540 closer to our folk in the AFA than we are our personal families I think a lot

00:28:02.460 of us would like to correct that but times being what they are make it very

00:28:05.580 difficult but there's true commitment with all the leaders all these ladies

00:28:10.680 that we have here are similar each and every one is distinct and wonderful and that's the way it

00:28:15.320 should be githia lauren why are afa women the best yeah the women and the women in the afa

00:28:25.000 are genuinely the most like the kindest smartest like like brightest most attuned to like the best

00:28:33.300 things in life like women you'll ever encounter and i'm really honored to be in the company of

00:28:38.800 all of you um i think we're like that maybe just because we're we're like attuned to things maybe

00:28:44.960 that other women aren't perhaps whether it's the ancestors or you know our our gods and um our folk

00:28:51.760 and and also we kind of don't have the same kind of uh hang-ups about our men that some other women

00:28:57.840 do perhaps we love our men and we support them and we don't have kind of a grudge against them

00:29:03.760 perhaps as like society does things like that but we have the best women we do

00:29:13.920 githiana why are we the best

00:29:18.400 we are the best because we are comfortable here this is our home you're always comfortable at home

00:29:26.320 we're also um we're also the best because our men are the best and we are constantly reflecting

00:29:32.480 that back to one another and we're the best because we've been surrounded by the best of our

00:29:38.320 folk and again we're always reflecting that greatness back at each other

00:29:47.200 thank you we do have another question from austin um i think i'm going to give this one to um sarah

00:29:57.680 Because this is actually something that Sarah and I talk about a lot.

00:30:03.960 So Sarah, I'm going to read this one to you, okay?

00:30:08.000 It says, a question for any who would like to answer.

00:30:10.580 For those new to Azzatru like myself, what should we do if we wish to build a personal relationship with a particular Aesir?

00:30:20.460 Thank you for all you do.

00:30:21.980 i would start by just having a conversation with them talking to them as if they were right in

00:30:32.960 front of you quieting your mind and listening and and hearing what they have to say with you

00:30:41.140 also start building that that gift cycle leave them an offering of something you think that

00:30:46.560 they would like um and just talk to them i often say that before you start with with the gods start

00:30:59.900 with your ancestors will make having that relationship with the gods and building on it too

00:31:08.540 because those are people you already know and you already know they love you so while you're

00:31:14.260 talking to them and you're building that relationship, it helps you transition over

00:31:19.220 to the gods. Now, I know that Sarah has a very, very, very devout daily practice,

00:31:30.100 especially when it comes to her ancestors and her altar work. Just because it kind of applies to

00:31:37.220 what Austin is asking, is there anything about that that you would like to share about what you

00:31:43.940 do day to day to build that relationship um i call it having coffee with my grannies

00:31:56.100 i i get us both a cup of coffee um i quiet my mind and listen to my heartbeat i'll put my

00:32:07.700 my hand so that i can and i'll start concentrating on the fact that that same heartbeat goes all the

00:32:14.580 way down your line throughout all your ancestors and i'll start talking to my my female ancestors

00:32:22.740 that i call my grannies and i'll just see what they have for me that day and it's very calming

00:32:29.860 it's very reassuring and it's very grounding way to start your day or at least it is for me

00:32:37.700 Thank you, ma'am.

00:32:41.500 The next question that we got, again, we are going to get to the main topic of this evening,

00:32:46.060 but y'all were so excited to send, you know, Githya some emails.

00:32:51.300 We're going to answer those right away.

00:32:53.080 So I'm going to give this one to Githya Anna.

00:32:56.660 So Githya Anna, I'm going to read this one to you.

00:33:00.920 Curious, the aesthetics obviously exist, but what do you learn, get from this faith?

00:33:07.700 What do you get from Mazatru, Anna?

00:33:16.500 I get a solid base on which to build myself up.

00:33:24.260 I'm not practicing a faith that's been borrowed.

00:33:29.360 I'm not on borrowed spiritual ground.

00:33:34.440 This is who I am.

00:33:36.140 it's helping me reconnect that line all the way back it's not so much like what i can

00:33:47.100 really get but what it's it's what i can do with it

00:33:52.060 the next question that we got um get the ashila i would like you to take this question i'm going

00:34:06.300 to go ahead and read it to you it says are any of your locations in utah so are any of your

00:34:14.620 locations in utah if not would you be willing to eventually buy build one in utah with utah's

00:34:22.540 reputation for being mostly mormons do we got people in utah do we got things going on in utah

00:34:28.700 and what do we talk about expanding in utah i'll give that to you well i wish we yes that would be

00:34:33.980 nice to expand in utah please bring some utah people to us um we have um a few people out there

00:34:40.620 but you know it's very difficult to get people who are kind of spread apart to get together to

00:34:47.260 connect and have meaningful experiences together we always say it's best to meet in person face to

00:34:53.660 face we've got lots of wonderful things online that we offer everybody but yes of course we

00:35:00.220 would love it with our ulterior gethi talks we're going to have a hof in every state that is our

00:35:05.100 goals so we hope you help us do that right now we're not anywhere near that we encourage uh

00:35:11.100 people in utah to come out to odinsoff which is the nearby hoff uh yeah it's a long trip but it's

00:35:18.140 an easy one it's across the desert just head west and we'd love to have you come out we will make

00:35:23.740 sure that if you can swing four days a day in a day day out and a couple days with us it's going

00:35:31.420 to be life-changing and you will get plenty from an experience being at odenshoff that will last

00:35:37.900 you for a long time until you get your own hoff in utah thank you ma'am all right one more serious

00:35:47.980 question well a couple more serious questions um but this one is going to really show us the

00:35:54.540 personalities of each and every githia on this call because it is a question that is asked of

00:36:00.620 each member of leadership when they join the ranks of leadership and that question is given

00:36:05.100 to us by sierra chapman this is kithias what is the superior condiment blue cheese ranch or honey

00:36:12.300 mustard now before we answer this question your answer will reflect who you are as a person

00:36:18.060 which house you belong to where you need to be sorted whatever so i'm gonna we're gonna go ahead

00:36:23.740 and do that so kithia heather what is the superior condiment

00:36:27.180 I have to say ranch or honey mustard, not blue cheese.

00:36:35.140 Give you Katie.

00:36:38.620 I cannot tell you how much I despise the fact that this thing is still going on.

00:36:45.420 But also for all of the people who have been here since it started, which is not most of us,

00:36:51.200 the correct answer is blue cheese.

00:36:53.000 It has always been blue cheese.

00:36:54.800 honey mustard wasn't even a thing until recently and it could just die and everything would be

00:37:02.220 good but blue cheese always the rest of you are wrong sarah what is the superior condiment

00:37:09.140 it is the honey mustard it is a hundred percent any kind of mustard over blue cheese hundred percent

00:37:18.440 Githya, Sheila, honey mustard, ranch, or blue cheese, ma'am?

00:37:26.740 Well, if you'd asked me, yeah, if you'd asked me years ago, it would have been blue cheese,

00:37:30.720 but with age, I'm mellowing out to ranch. I can use ranch just about any old time. Very simple.

00:37:39.300 Githya, Lauren.

00:37:41.840 Well, I enjoy an occasional blue cheese or a honey mustard dipping sauce. I do enjoy ranch.

00:37:48.260 i believe the next get the anna

00:37:56.660 i don't like any of them oh i like italian salad dressing like that's it

00:38:04.100 like i'm sorry that is the only other response i accept just as you all know

00:38:12.020 i guess i'm homeless i don't know

00:38:13.300 i am officially filing for divorce from every single one of you

00:38:20.260 disowning except for anna anna wins i'm gonna jump on the blue cheese supremacy you guys like

00:38:29.860 i want to jump on blue cheese supremacy you know why because i'm cultured

00:38:33.460 i'm cultured okay so for those of you that are like what in the world are you doing

00:38:39.940 you need to understand a part of being leadership is not just the producers blue cheese sophisticated

00:38:46.420 choice one of the things that we need to understand is being a member of leadership is

00:38:53.780 not just your nose to the grind and solving problems all day long being a member of leadership

00:39:00.500 is also being part of a family it's literally a table of your brothers and sisters where you

00:39:06.100 could go to with your worst day your best day and argue about condiment supremacy it is about

00:39:13.620 building that camaraderie about building that frith so for those of us who are like this is

00:39:20.900 not a serious conversation this has no business being in us let me tell you why it does because

00:39:27.060 frith is a huge part of what we do building frith building camaraderie having that relationship

00:39:33.220 having that that give and take from each other um giving and receiving sharing that relationship

00:39:40.900 how do we build relationships right we work hard together we're loyal to each other and we laugh

00:39:46.980 together okay so for those who might think that this is a silly conversation it is but it also

00:39:56.020 shows you when as soon as i started talking about this everybody's face lit up because we knew

00:40:01.060 exactly where this was going. So back to, back to business, ladies. All right. I'm going to give

00:40:09.560 this one over to Githya Katie. Githya Katie, where will Freya's Hoff be located? Not Frey's Hoff.

00:40:18.820 I think you meant Frey's Hoff. I got a note that said they meant Frey's Hoff. So where will Frey's

00:40:24.140 be located githya katie um it is most likely to be in northeastern ohio sorry i had to think

00:40:34.700 about which side was east and which side was west because i still do this to figure out which side

00:40:41.420 is left you know um it'll probably be in ohio most likely uh and hopefully uh before the end

00:40:50.460 of the summer uh if not that then definitely hopefully before the end of the year but i will

00:40:55.020 not speak in absolutes because i believe that that is bad luck and uh we do not wish to have bad luck

00:41:07.420 all right we do have a question from witten spawn thank you for joining us witness fun

00:41:13.180 i'm a i'm a swan fan thank you for being here so question what's a good way to construct prayer or

00:41:21.420 invocation to the holy awesomeness all right so i like this question because um and i'll have some

00:41:28.780 of my ladies jump in with me here too prayer for me is a very very very big part of my practice

00:41:36.060 I have shared prayers that I've written and prayers that I do daily with all of our all of the Aesir, all of the Aesir.

00:41:46.780 I have I have one for all of them. Right. But what goes into constructing prayer or invocations?

00:41:54.760 That depends on you. Right. If you want to follow the traditional cadence and how things were originally written.

00:42:02.640 um i am not the expert on that but witness font is and if he could pop some recommendations down

00:42:09.680 in there that would be great down in the chat for you guys so as far as the traditional

00:42:14.380 construction i am not good at that my brain doesn't work that way i deem myself a wonderful

00:42:21.300 terrible poet right i think that my my ancestors appreciate it i hope that the gods appreciate my

00:42:29.160 effort, but I know that I'm a terrible, wonderful poet. But I put all of my sincerity and all of

00:42:38.540 the menial talent that I have into doing that. So when I do prayers, I prefer to have them as

00:42:45.540 something that I can easily memorize. I love repetitive prayer. You know, I like doing prayers

00:42:53.940 in sets of nine or nine sets of nine. I love the repetitiveness of it. So my prayers tend to be

00:43:01.140 short, sweet, and to the point, but have sort of a sing-song rhyming rhythm to them to help me

00:43:07.640 remember the cadence because I like that repetition. Many of our women have absolutely

00:43:15.180 beautiful singing voices. And their form of prayer is song. Their form of invocation

00:43:23.400 is song. That is absolutely beautiful. I would sing for you, but y'all would never come back.

00:43:29.980 This would be the last episode of VNS you would ever come to, so we won't do that today.

00:43:35.640 So it really depends on you. It depends on your relationship with them. It depends on

00:43:41.960 how much you want to devote. It depends on whether you would prefer a mantra versus a prayer versus a

00:43:47.940 song. You might be very, you know, highly ritual minded where you have everything written down in

00:43:55.840 a book and you repeat that when you do your prayers in a very ritualistic way. I have seen

00:44:01.920 that as well, where they are very, very long and it's almost like a whole story, right? Do they

00:44:08.440 have it memorized by the time they do it for the 50th time for the most part, but they read from

00:44:12.660 it. It's a form of devotion and a form of prayer for them. So really it all depends on you. As far

00:44:19.380 as the traditional construction of that, I am not the expert on that. I have listened to Svan quite

00:44:24.440 a bit, but I would not dare to repeat his intelligence because I would probably repeat

00:44:29.240 it incorrectly. But for me, that's kind of how I form those. Does any of our ladies have any

00:44:39.160 recommendations for that? For forming your own form of prayer or mantra or meditation or anything

00:44:47.640 along that line? Does anybody want to jump in there? Sure. So one of the things that I think

00:44:54.600 is really important to remember is that it can be simple and easy it doesn't have to be complicated

00:45:00.600 um sorry i get distracted easily and i also make faces which i'm sure you've noticed and

00:45:06.840 i wiggle a lot i don't know how to sit still i don't know i'm watching all the ladies on the

00:45:10.520 screen and they're all so still and i said to myself i think i've thought to myself more than

00:45:14.600 once like how do they do it how do they sit so still um i'm one of the women who likes to sing

00:45:21.000 i don't think i have a particularly great singing voice but it's not about whether or not my voice

00:45:25.560 sounds good it's about the intention behind the singing so i have like one or two tunes that i

00:45:31.240 use and i'll just like if i'm if i'm trying to focus on freya and pray to freya i might sing like

00:45:39.560 uh the one i have for her is lady freya and i'll just kind of like almost

00:45:47.000 I'll just repeat it out loud over and over and over again as I'm focusing on her because it's

00:45:54.380 like a chant at that point. And that's one of my favorite ones that I use. I use that particular

00:45:59.760 tune a lot. I literally can take Frida and just add three different names to call her, three

00:46:05.060 different kennings, and add that in there. And you build off of that as you go. As you get comfortable,

00:46:11.160 it just starts to build off of itself naturally so the most the best thing i can suggest that

00:46:17.720 anybody do is just take their time and not there's no right right way or wrong way um

00:46:26.040 singing works i sometimes i galder like if i'm thinking of uh odin i might

00:46:31.720 Galdor Muno or you know Algis for Frere you know. The most important thing when you're choosing to

00:46:41.400 honor and pray to the gods is to talk to them and to just take the time to build a connection with

00:46:48.440 them in a way that suits you best. So I know that doesn't really answer the question but also there

00:46:54.440 is no definite answer to that question either because everybody's going to do it their own way

00:46:59.560 and it's important to find a way that's comfortable so i'll share a little bit um

00:47:07.320 and i know i've talked to i've talked to the githias about this quite a bit um sarah and

00:47:12.120 i have talked about this quite a bit as well but i have i have three different types types

00:47:19.720 kinds of prayers i mean four if you count this other one but we'll stick to just prayers to the

00:47:25.240 the Aesir. So I have my prayer. It's like a poem, right? I also do, and some of you have been

00:47:36.560 there when we've done this, but I do what's called the Litany of the Aesir or the Litany of the

00:47:42.820 Aesir. Some of you have participated in that before. And what that is, and everybody gets

00:47:50.340 afraid with the words a litany is literally a list you guys it's a list and what that list is

00:47:57.600 is going through and chanting the names of the gods in repetitions of three by three okay

00:48:07.380 and in between that we're doing breath work to focus and um we go through you when we're at the

00:48:16.020 Hoff, we kind of keep a little bit simple. We do the Hoffs we have and the Hoff we want, you know,

00:48:21.740 so we're always, you know, giving thanks for the Hoffs we already have and focusing on that and

00:48:27.160 looking towards to the Hoff that we're working on. And when you have a large group of people,

00:48:33.080 it's really, really wonderful to hear, you know, the women calling out in a different tone than

00:48:38.440 the men in a different cadence where the men are going, oh, then, oh, then, oh, then the women are

00:48:43.640 very at a feminine tone, longer and more peaceful. Oh, then, you know, and it's beautiful to hear

00:48:52.000 when you have a large group of people. When that's happening, what you can do is put a gothi or a

00:48:58.320 githy in the center, calling out worship to that particular aus or asenu, thanking them for the

00:49:07.140 things that we've received. And it's not so much, you know, a give and take where we're

00:49:13.580 giving honor and respect and we're asking for something in return. In return, it's not. We're

00:49:19.680 not asking for anything. We're just giving worship. The other form of that that I do is what we call

00:49:25.100 like the, what I call like an adoration, where I focus primarily on only one of the Aesir,

00:49:31.740 only one of the Asenir, and I'm focusing on that. And when I do that adoration,

00:49:36.360 it's very repetitive. And you get into this zone where we pay attention to what we hear,

00:49:43.140 what we think, what we smell, what we see. And it's a time to receive inspiration.

00:49:49.540 So when I'm doing an adoration, I want to receive inspiration during that worship.

00:49:56.720 and then i have just my my regular prayers that i do so those are the three types of prayers that i

00:50:03.020 do just throwing that out there if anybody's curious you can hit me up on the side on those

00:50:07.980 things there's a beautiful baby i was gonna add like in like as a collective like using words like

00:50:17.920 us and we instead of i when you're doing prayer to god yes i do that a lot you know when

00:50:27.760 i am not praying to the gods i as a member of the folk am praying to the gods right i don't

00:50:36.660 want to jump too far down a rabbit hole so everybody gets your snare out right get ready

00:50:41.440 to catch me but i've talked about the bonfire right where when the folk worship the gods that

00:50:49.040 all of that energy and all of that honor and worship it creates the the giant folk flame

00:50:54.940 right and that is that represents the beauty the power and the might of our folk soul that folk

00:51:02.900 flame is the beauty of our souls and as we worship together that fire gets bigger and stronger and

00:51:10.300 brighter. Now, every once in a while, you're going to see like a spark pop off of that bonfire,

00:51:16.580 right? Do the gods see that? Yeah, they do. That spark, that momentary spark, that is individual

00:51:25.040 worship, right? We spin that wheel of worship faster when we do it together. You know, we

00:51:34.100 will sometimes do coordinated prayer, coordinated work, coordinated altar time.

00:51:40.300 to help that communal work together even even though we're spread all over the country there's

00:51:46.060 times when we'll set up where we want to do this at the same time and work together and pray

00:51:51.260 together even if we're miles apart so just because you are miles apart from each other does not mean

00:51:56.300 that you cannot still have that sense of community and build that fire at that same time okay i'm

00:52:02.700 I'm going to get out of the rabbit hole. We're going to go forward.

00:52:07.840 All right.

00:52:11.500 Pam asks, is Frith natural or something learned?

00:52:17.840 Who would like that one? I'm going to leave that one open.

00:52:20.160 Which one of our Gethias? Go ahead, Anna.

00:52:22.120 Is Frith natural or something learned?

00:52:26.300 I think it is very natural for us.

00:52:28.460 um it is it's naturally i think it's naturally a part of you know being a woman is to seek out

00:52:37.000 that social interaction and to you know build those bridges between people

00:52:43.080 what i think it maybe is the learned part is an aversion towards frith

00:52:49.920 where we're taught to compete with one another where we're taught to push other people away

00:52:58.460 So it's, if you just let it be, it's not learned.

00:53:02.760 You know, if you've, through whatever has happened in your life,

00:53:07.700 if you've developed an aversion to it,

00:53:10.080 then it's something that you may need a little bit of help with relearning.

00:53:15.860 So it's more or less natural if you, if it's, if the learn process is there,

00:53:20.360 it's more of a deprogramming rather than having to learn because it comes as a

00:53:26.000 natural thing but you might have to deprogram yourself from all of the societal influences

00:53:31.860 bad experiences or trauma that you might have you might have to deprogram yourself a little bit but

00:53:37.240 yeah i agree with that i think it's a natural thing sometimes it just takes a little bit of

00:53:41.140 effort to deprogram the bad habits or i mean to be honest some of the the trauma or the experiences

00:53:49.300 that you know people go through and then uh major hicks this one's for sarah so sarah this was in

00:53:58.380 regards to uh coffee with grannies um he asked like meditation

00:54:02.820 no i i don't think it's for me it's not like meditation because it doesn't it doesn't feel

00:54:15.700 the same way when i'm meditating as it does that morning thing it's more the um the ritual

00:54:24.500 that i do but no i wouldn't call it meditation

00:54:30.180 okay and then katie this one's for you specifically ma'am

00:54:37.860 um your son wants to know what do you like to do most

00:54:41.220 if that isn't like one of the most broadest open-ended questions ever um i like to cook

00:54:51.060 and i like to spend time with my kids and i like to carve horns and carve stuff out of wood

00:55:00.580 and i like to sew i like to do a lot of things but i don't know if i had to choose what i like

00:55:05.860 to do the most is probably um spending time with owen and alice and sometimes daddy too mostly on

00:55:19.860 all right and this one get the allure and i'm going to direct this one your way

00:55:25.380 and this cut comes from finwraith if anyone speaks another language does prayer feel different

00:55:32.580 when praying in another language and he says from personal experience i think it at least somewhat

00:55:38.900 does i definitely think it does um i'm kind of rededicating myself to learn more old norse

00:55:49.220 right now i'm doing a language course and i try to do it daily i remember the the first um when

00:55:56.420 I first started in Nausitru I started doing like things like the like the hammer right you know

00:56:02.580 when I was you know hollowing the space and I would do it in old Norse and I didn't know anything

00:56:08.420 anything else besides like the hammer right you know so I'm going to say like and

00:56:13.860 like it feels very different it feels like sacred uh like sacred in your mouth which is kind of a

00:56:20.580 weird way to put it but it kind of does um it um has a very different vibration to it so i would

00:56:27.860 say it definitely definitely does yeah because it's it's you know a lot of these old other

00:56:34.100 languages are what our our ancestors thought and spoken and worshipped in as well so it'll always

00:56:40.260 bring a different feel to it if it's something's in another language yeah and githya heather

00:56:50.580 i'm gonna give this last preemptive question you guys you guys were questions crazy we're nine

00:56:58.080 o'clock we haven't even started the main topic yet y'all all right so this last question before

00:57:03.400 we get started i'm going to give this one to you get the a heather this comes from alexander

00:57:11.160 and he asked what are some ways us men folk what are some ways us men folk i think he means could

00:57:20.300 get more comfortable calling upon the Austin ear?

00:57:30.100 I don't think it's any different.

00:57:33.480 You have to just start off building that relationship.

00:57:38.200 You know, you have to crawl before you run.

00:57:41.560 So you start small and then build up to, you know, something bigger.

00:57:47.180 Just start by talking to them, you know.

00:57:50.300 whatever's on your mind or your heart that you need to say to them.

00:57:58.640 When I do it, I always, like I said, do it as an all, not a me.

00:58:04.160 I think that's a big thing.

00:58:08.720 But I don't think talking to any of the gods and goddesses,

00:58:13.260 you do it any differently, in my opinion.

00:58:15.760 you might say different things you know of course for each one the meaning or what you're praying

00:58:25.220 for but I also don't really think there's a wrong way as long as your intentions are good

00:58:35.200 and you're you know what I mean like everybody does things differently so there's not like a

00:58:41.400 textbook way to do it if that makes sense i don't know if that happens i when i started um building

00:58:49.980 that relationship so i think is like a feminine spiritual being you know speaking to our feminine

00:59:02.020 deities i think it's a little bit of an easier connection because i also feel it's a little bit

00:59:07.200 your connection of our men to the iser doesn't mean i can't talk to thor doesn't mean i can't

00:59:13.040 worship odin correctly it doesn't mean i can't build a relationship with balder right but that

00:59:18.800 was i my first steps to talking to the ic were the same as talking to austin here i just started

00:59:24.800 you're correct yeah and um anybody else want to add to that katie yeah i wanted to um

00:59:33.200 Um, women are inherently a part of all of our lives.

00:59:38.180 You have a mother, you have a grandmother.

00:59:40.060 Some of us have sisters.

00:59:41.740 We've all had significant others.

00:59:46.440 I was going to say girlfriends, but I have never had a girlfriend, so that would be inaccurate.

00:59:49.780 But I'm hoping most of our men at some point or another have dated a woman and taken it at least semi-seriously.

00:59:59.720 I think I just heard my husband laugh downstairs.

01:00:02.700 i'm not sure if it's about what i'm saying or something else but um how do you treat a

01:00:10.220 relationship with a woman you want to court when you first start courting them you approach them

01:00:16.060 respectfully i mean you are essentially when you begin a relationship with one of the awesome you're

01:00:22.140 courting them uh not with the intention of dating them obviously but with the intention

01:00:27.420 of building a relationship with them and um you can think of them that way like you're you're

01:00:34.940 just the same way you would talk to a woman in your life maybe you would speak to frigo the

01:00:39.740 same way you speak to your mother um hopefully that's with respect but you know but our austin

01:00:47.980 here are they are still women and all of our men i would hope see women as being vital to

01:00:59.100 everything that we do and so the relationship is important to begin but also it's the same

01:01:05.980 as talking to a woman in your life well i mean you know more or less they are our awesome year

01:01:11.900 so not quite the same as talking to your sister uh and i can say that with positively i know i

01:01:19.740 would not speak to my sister the way i speak to the austin ear but you know you build a relationship

01:01:25.580 the same way you would build a relationship with the people in your lives the only difference is

01:01:30.380 you can't sit face to face and have a back and forth conversation but also you can sort of does

01:01:38.380 Does that make sense?

01:01:41.680 So that looks like we have got all of our questions out of the way.

01:01:46.720 Thank you guys for your questions.

01:01:48.640 Remember that we will accept VNS questions.

01:01:51.840 However you want to send them to us, just make sure we can get them.

01:01:54.680 So if you want to email something ahead of time, by all means do.

01:01:58.740 Questions between shows, email vns at runestone.org.

01:02:02.180 That producer, Nick, he's so useful.

01:02:05.260 Love it.

01:02:05.760 All right, so let's get into what our episode is about tonight.

01:02:12.780 So what we are going to talk about are the Austin, you're building relationships with them, but we kind of bumped that into meaning everybody.

01:02:23.180 So what we're going to talk about tonight is building relationships, yes, and then we're going to get into a few of the Ausmere is what we're going to talk about specifically some of them tonight.

01:02:36.600 But what we have to say about building relationships with them applies to the Ausmere.

01:02:42.240 So one of the first things that as a Githya core we decided that we wanted to start with was this.

01:02:50.640 the things that we're going to say to you tonight and you or your experiences

01:02:58.560 these are things that we've taken what we can from the lore some of it is very little

01:03:05.060 let's be honest some of it's very little we have taken what we had we have internalized

01:03:12.740 that information we have examined it we have broke it down philosophically

01:03:19.480 to see what we can and how we can relate to and build relationship with these goddesses

01:03:29.920 these goddesses so when we say something to be us putting them in a box so when we say we consider

01:03:37.300 this our fertility you know goddess this is we go to fertility we're not putting

01:03:41.440 the Asenir or the Asenir in a box where this is, they are the goddess of, okay?

01:03:48.780 Building a personal relationship with these goddesses is important and necessary.

01:03:56.660 Also, your sentence in an obscure book does not make you more pious than somebody who

01:04:16.620 is doing daily offerings, putting in that work, doing that philosophical self-evaluation

01:04:23.860 sometimes, to build that relationship and to do good works in the names of these goddesses.

01:04:31.240 So we decided as a Githya core, we're going to throw that out there right from the beginning.

01:04:37.060 We are not going to nitpick if someone can't remember where the, you know, what part of the

01:04:43.920 lore that came from or anything like that. We're focused more on building a personal

01:04:49.540 relationship of devotion and piety, and not only having a personal relationship of worship and

01:04:58.620 piety, but in a real world way. So when we're going to be talking about this, we're going to

01:05:15.840 be talking about worship. We're going to be talking about women's energetic work,

01:05:20.320 but we're also going to be talking about practical devotion. Okay. So that's how we're

01:05:27.340 going to kind of break that down just a little bit. All right. And we're going to talk a little

01:05:35.300 bit about the differences. And when I say differences, I don't mean differences, but I

01:05:40.300 mean classifications, right? When we're talking about the, and I know, I think Nick has some

01:05:45.380 things prepared. You can pop up for me. Now, when we're talking about the Austin, we're talking

01:05:51.820 about frigging Freya. And we're also talking about the maidens of fence hauling. Okay. He's got that

01:05:58.140 popped up there for you. You can kind of see the classification, how we're grouping them and how

01:06:01.980 we're discussing them. Okay. So these are the Austin. We also have our Austin. And forgive me

01:06:11.880 if my tongue doesn't work properly, it's Ostvinir. These are the beloved friends, or, you know,

01:06:17.000 the Githias call these, you know, the wives and mothers, the beloved, okay? And we're talking

01:06:22.480 about the wives of our gods, the mothers of our gods, okay? And then we do have our heavenly

01:06:29.360 wardens, all right? Our hymn, our, there we go, our hymn and Werber, and these are our feminine

01:06:38.120 um wardens that he has listed up here austra suna notes so when we're talking about them we'll be

01:06:44.760 talking about them in different classifications but we did just want to let you know we do have

01:06:48.380 them classified it's a way of it's a way to organize them it's a way to classify them it

01:06:52.380 shows kind of what they do and who they are right just by putting them into those names and kind of

01:06:58.400 separating them that way so though honestly it's very easy to track them when you've got those

01:07:01.920 list down, right? So think about that. We're not trying to shove them into a box. We're trying to

01:07:08.400 understand them by their function, by their position, by their classification. So

01:07:16.640 where do we want to start, ladies? Who do we want to start with? I'm going to leave this

01:07:25.100 up to the Githias on this call. So I'm going to pick on Githia McNallan. Which one of the

01:07:35.340 Beloveds should we talk about first? I'm going to let you pick one. I got you on mute, ma'am. I'm

01:07:42.500 sorry. There, unmuted. Well, I kind of like the extent of information we pulled together about

01:07:52.400 sif so i'm going to recommend that we start with her okay wife of thor and uh kind of her

01:07:59.440 multi-rolls that she has within the icer so all right would uh any of our lovely lady ladies like

01:08:08.000 to give us kind of a synopsis of who sif is and kind of where we see her in the lower stories

01:08:15.200 about hers. Do I have someone to volunteer as tribute for that? Does anybody want to take the

01:08:29.460 lead on that one? All right, I'll take Seif. All right, so what do we know about Seif? Seif is

01:08:40.520 the wife of Thor. Okay. We know that she is, let's talk about this. Okay. Hold on. We're

01:08:47.400 going to dig a rabbit hole real quick. Hold on. Hold on. She is one of, um, she is one of the

01:08:56.100 beloveds that Loki specifically targets. Let's talk about that. Ladies rabbit hole, two seconds

01:09:03.900 in somebody, we should have a bingo card for this. Like this should be a drinking game. Every

01:09:09.740 time I go down a rabbit hole. All right. So let's talk about them. Sif is one of

01:09:20.760 one of them that he specifically targets. Okay. Now, when we talk about Loki targeting

01:09:29.020 the Ausfineer, we're talking about Sif. We're talking about Freya and we're talking about

01:09:36.260 either okay so let's talk about that a little bit would any of our ladies like to kind of discuss

01:09:45.060 what we've been discussing as a group about modern society and how that relates to loki

01:09:53.140 attacking these auspne any of the ladies like to do that

01:09:58.180 no everybody's like i don't want to just jump in go ahead i'll jump in well well i mean one

01:10:10.760 thing with with see if he you know shears her hair off she's very well known for her beautiful

01:10:16.400 long golden hair it's something very connected to who she is the quality she has how she's

01:10:22.880 connected to the earth and it's just like the growing wheat in the fields it's kind of

01:10:26.880 like her hair and so when he targets her he specifically takes her hair which is like

01:10:33.440 her femininity her you know fertility like everything that makes her a woman um he targets

01:10:40.240 her and takes tries to take that away from her so i think that's a that is an important part of

01:10:45.600 of her story absolutely so we have the story of him specifically you know sharing her hair off

01:10:51.920 you know and you know with hopes that you know everybody's going to be devastated you know so

01:10:58.800 let's talk about that a little bit when loki attacks these these ausfineer he's attacking

01:11:05.760 femininity itself just like modern society today is attacking femininity

01:11:11.200 so when we look at seif being attacked by loki being targeted by loki what do we see

01:11:18.600 we're seeing a an actual attack on beauty on feminine beauty

01:11:25.840 you know we're seeing that being stolen and we see that in the in the modern times now

01:11:34.300 you know we we see a man with a receding hairline and pigtails demanding that we call him a woman

01:11:41.280 and not just that we recognize what he wants but that he's literally taking that word from us

01:11:51.120 you know what i mean you know he he's taking that where we have to use cis women i'm a woman

01:11:58.320 you can't just take that from me you know um so we we see that being stolen we see that in

01:12:05.840 the modern day where there's literally an attack on natural femininity beauty of femininity and we

01:12:14.480 see that with loki attacking see you know we talked about that kind of as as a group about

01:12:20.640 how we can see that play out we can see this example of lore being played out in in modern time

01:12:29.360 you know so yes that was one as well you know when we talk about loki attacking

01:12:34.640 these goddesses what is he what what is he attacking you know he's not just cutting off

01:12:40.140 her hair i mean he could be but look at it a little bit deeper how can you take that story

01:12:45.920 of your lore and apply it to the modern day living as a true every day and as a true life

01:12:53.100 how can you take that and mold that and give that example to your sisters your friends your daughter

01:12:59.840 you know so yeah we're up we are going to be talking about that a little bit as well you guys

01:13:06.000 but back to Sif back out of the rabbit hole for a minute talking about Sif so Sif being the wife of

01:13:15.200 Thor um think about that a little bit more than just being a wife right you know we see her in

01:13:22.580 the story where you know her hair is sheared off and and because of that she has the golden hair

01:13:27.660 and we have Mjolnir and we have, you know, all of these tools, but let's talk about just the role

01:13:33.620 of Siv. She's the wife of Thor. Okay. So I'm going to pick on ladies, everybody pay attention. I'm

01:13:41.840 going to pick on somebody. Okay. Ask the question first and then I'm going to pick on you. What

01:13:48.380 does it mean to be the wife of Thor? What does it mean to be the wife of strength and courage?

01:13:54.980 what does that look like can anybody answer that

01:13:59.420 yeah well for one thing we talk about she is the calm in the home he comes back after slaying

01:14:12.280 giants and all those things you know in a world of chaos and she brings balance to that but on

01:14:17.800 the other hand there is always that potential threat and that we hadn't really discussed that

01:14:23.000 She needs to be courageous herself doing this.

01:14:24.940 She's staying with a man who is taking large risks to help his folk,

01:14:31.560 his folk being the other gods and goddesses.

01:14:35.360 But she herself has beauty and grace and all these wonderful things that he admires

01:14:42.420 and that even, of course, Loki admires.

01:14:44.560 He's always going after beautiful women because he can't get them any other way, right?

01:14:48.540 He's jealous of the men.

01:14:50.280 He takes from the women because they don't want him.

01:14:53.000 and so you know that gets into some some of the deep darker things about the stories but

01:15:00.700 yeah I'm going to end here because I'll let other people bring up other things about Seif

01:15:10.780 now we also talked about Seif being someone that we could

01:15:16.400 talk to, turn to, look for guidance from when it comes to extended family, right?

01:15:25.700 Mm-hmm. Lauren, could you tell us a little bit about, you know, you brought this up when we were

01:15:33.940 having our panel about what CEAF's name means and how we can use that to understand how that,

01:15:41.840 how we can use that to get guidance with our extended families, because you touch on that

01:15:45.980 a little bit sure um i believe her her name is cognate with um like the word sib was sibling

01:15:54.140 like it's connected to the extended family so she's very connected to

01:16:01.260 like keeping frith within the extended family um she's um one you would turn to if you were having

01:16:10.940 some strife perhaps in your family between extended family so um that's something that

01:16:17.100 we would turn to her for yeah all right um one of the other things that we talked to

01:16:27.660 talked about as well was um sief's role in the harvest right um we see her long golden locks

01:16:38.380 um we think of the wheat fields and and the earth being abundant and things like that

01:16:43.900 you know see if can also when we when we think of that we're looking at

01:16:49.260 the the domestic gardening you know the the domesticating you know it's not just the wheat

01:16:56.300 random it's hard work that we put in um it is the gardens that we grow you know she is very much

01:17:06.540 about the home providing for the home in that aspect regarding you know providing um an abundant

01:17:15.100 and a prosperous home you know so when we think about see if we think about the domestic garden

01:17:21.020 the domestic fields um the farming not necessarily the hunter-gatherer out in nature growing wild we

01:17:28.620 think about bringing that home domestically so we look to her kind of for that aspect as well

01:17:36.700 so when we're looking at things that we can do um to honor her and to do good deeds for her

01:17:48.780 right? What are some things that we could do in a practical way to,

01:17:58.420 and when I say practical, I mean, just in the mundane world itself, you know, what,

01:18:03.360 what could we do to honor her, you know, knowing the things that we know about her, about,

01:18:08.800 you know, turning to her for an extended family, sign of beauty and femininity.

01:18:14.540 she's literally the wife of strength and courage what kind of things could we do for that

01:18:19.560 what could our women do to show that in in the outside world so to speak and to demonstrate

01:18:30.040 that to each other does anybody want to jump in anybody can jump in at any time if you like

01:18:36.080 at like the very basest most obvious answer in the world it would be take care of yourself

01:18:44.320 you know uh hair in particular has been a sign of beauty throughout the world for

01:18:51.040 for as long as forever until more recently um i don't know if my hair is pretty i think it's

01:18:58.320 pretty it's nice and long i do what i can to take care of it because to me having long beautiful hair

01:19:05.200 is that is femininity to me and and if you look out into the world right now and you look out

01:19:13.200 all those crazy liberal feminists with their weird chopped off hair or their half shaved

01:19:21.760 half ponytail purple green neon whatever that's not beautiful that's gross it literally i think

01:19:32.640 it's gross i look at those people and i think what what horrible things have gone on in your

01:19:37.920 life that you think that's what you need to do in order to present yourself in some way to the

01:19:43.680 people around you like you don't care about yourself if you i just i truly don't believe

01:19:51.440 these people really care about themselves if that's what they want to present to to the

01:19:55.360 people outside of their home um but that's like again the most basic like very top level answer

01:20:04.400 is take care of your physical appearance but i think we could say that for almost all of our

01:20:09.760 goddesses uh because while femininity isn't just our outward appearance it definitely

01:20:18.880 is a part of it so that's what i got right now yeah anybody else got something on that

01:20:28.160 or something about the practical honoring of Sif. How can we do that in everyday life?

01:20:35.520 We can do it through our actions, through our weaving of frith in everyday life. Sif is very

01:20:41.200 much the frith weaver and in our in our ladies book study we're reading the book Lady with the

01:20:47.280 mead cup um who's about the like the figure of well tail am i saying her name right well tail

01:20:55.520 um the uh you know the wife in the in the mead hall that brings around the mead horn to all the

01:21:01.520 retinue to the warband and weaves friff among the gentlemen there um and sif is like the lady with

01:21:09.200 the mead cup like in the the locusenna the flighting of loki um when loki is making a fool of himself

01:21:14.880 and she brings him the horn of meat and she's basically like oh please you know take this like

01:21:19.760 have a drink you know calm down it's okay but of course he doesn't but um so she's that figure so

01:21:26.240 we can emulate her and honor her through our weaving of frith in everyday life and

01:21:31.440 in our religious communities and in our families and you did bring that you brought that up with

01:21:38.160 the the githya the githya um panels that we have as well about location where even when it was

01:21:46.560 uncomfortable uncomfortable it was probably the last thing she wanted to do right

01:21:58.160 yeah absolutely and we also we also talk about her being a mother you know she she's also a mother

01:22:08.160 Oh, motherhood. Hello children. What kind of things would the mother or I'm sorry, like the wife of strength and courage, you know, she's also a mother. What kind of things as a mother could see, exude and teach, you know, taking what we know about her.

01:22:35.800 what kind of things could she teach to her to her children

01:22:41.080 go ahead okay i'm going to assume it's like the wife of strength and courage her children are

01:22:50.420 you know very headstrong so there's that balancing act like teaching your children to be balanced

01:22:56.300 like if you've got very strong willful children that's great you just need to show them how to

01:23:04.580 how to cultivate that wildness how to cultivate that that strength to something

01:23:10.660 that's going to uh benefit them

01:23:14.420 because if you don't you're just going to have your kids like breaking all your stuff

01:23:19.580 now as as being a woman in the afa and being a frith weaver you know see see if as a wife

01:23:32.420 is often left alone while her husband is out fighting the giants right he's out fighting

01:23:37.480 as a woman of the church as a devotion to see if you could reach out to the women that you know

01:23:48.300 whose husbands are deployed right whose husbands are maybe driving a truck across country and

01:23:56.480 they're gone all of the time. You know, someone who is constantly, you know, out for work,

01:24:04.080 providing for his family, and she's often having to be left alone to hold for it. You know,

01:24:11.160 Seif would know what it's like for her husband to be gone. And that's something that we can do

01:24:18.020 in her good name, right, is reach out to those women that we know have to be without their

01:24:25.440 husbands for periods of time you know because she knows what that's like what do you guys think about

01:24:33.060 that yeah something that maybe there's like single women perhaps especially if they have sons you

01:24:46.040 know reach out to them yeah support them absolutely yeah that frith weaver can go from just a horn in

01:24:55.320 can go to phone calls and you know remember your sister when you know she's alone

01:25:03.480 reminder that she has support

01:25:07.480 and bring her hope that her husband's coming home or her son is coming home

01:25:17.880 so also one of the things that go ahead she left go ahead oh i was just gonna say in addition she

01:25:23.720 of course is the daughter-in-law of Odin and Frigg right she shares that that being having

01:25:32.520 the in-law relationship with them and they are the elders in the family and so we talked about the

01:25:38.360 need for our people to maintain contact with those who may not have as much may not even have children

01:25:45.640 at all and are certainly subject to loneliness because that happens to all of us more we're not

01:25:52.280 socially adept anymore we can't get out so we mentioned the elderly program that we have in

01:25:58.440 the afa and it's it's really a wonderful thing to get our our elders together to um to be able to

01:26:05.960 chat and reminisce and all those things but for all of us remember your own family and within the

01:26:12.120 afa you know to stay in touch with those who are housebound for whatever reason reach out

01:26:18.280 and a phone call a card or anything like that an email of course would work as well

01:26:27.080 wonderful ladies do we have anything to add because i know we we had talked about we don't

01:26:34.120 want to make this go into three o'clock in the morning just on cif because this githya panel

01:26:39.400 could have in particular so i know we had kind of specific points we wanted to talk about but

01:26:45.560 But is there anything that we want to add about Seif, whether it's ideas for her worship?

01:26:53.400 We just we already talked about the mundane, but energetic workings, women's energetic work in forms of devotion and worship that we can do at our altars.

01:27:02.740 Does anybody have any recommendations for how to work with Seif at your altar in regards to offerings or things of that nature?

01:27:10.780 What do you think Seif would like?

01:27:12.020 curious minds want to know how to start that relationship

01:27:17.220 i think she would enjoy something very beautiful like even beautiful maybe a beautiful hair comb

01:27:28.340 a tool of beauty in in some fashion maybe a handmade one something that that she would like

01:27:34.020 that definitely i also feel like frith is up frith sorry um sif is probably very practical

01:27:43.060 she has to take care of a house that is presided over by one of our biggest hotheads

01:27:49.060 you know she has to be able to keep calm under pressure she has to make sure

01:27:53.460 that the the kids learn how to to control their tempers because if they're the children of thor

01:27:59.700 they probably have tempers too you know um and so i think i think something to keep in mind with sif

01:28:07.700 is that she she is a very calm and very quiet but very commanding woman she has to be she has to be

01:28:18.100 in order to keep that house under control so practical things are probably good for set up

01:28:23.860 i think she would probably enjoy a homemade slice of bread maybe some cheese too who knows

01:28:30.980 i feel like cheese would be good but uh practical things you know does that make sense

01:28:40.500 i like to give wheat in the in the combining season like if i can get out there and get it

01:28:47.460 it before it gets put down steal a little for her i like to do that you know because she's very much

01:28:56.820 you know for me she's very much that that goddess of the harvest and in fighting for family you know

01:29:05.520 in whatever ways that we can in the modern day whether that's my garden whether that's the field

01:29:12.160 of wheat you know whatever it is that that's providing for that domestic family you know

01:29:16.440 making them wealthy and abundant. So I like to give her wheat. There has been years when I had

01:29:21.560 to buy it because I didn't get there in time. Not going to lie. But I think going out there

01:29:28.200 and cutting it for her is significant when I can. So I do like to do that as well.

01:29:33.700 so for those who work the feminine save mysteries

01:29:41.780 what kind of energetic workings could we work with her what kind of things could we do

01:29:54.760 as women in the well of seaf what kind of things do our folk need and what kind of energetic

01:30:02.080 workings could we do as women to benefit the folk in the well of sleep

01:30:10.240 go ahead calming strife

01:30:15.920 absolutely whether it be within ourselves or between each other or just

01:30:21.040 among the folk at large the calming of strife the soothing of tempers

01:30:26.960 you know maybe

01:30:31.140 bringing the bringing the hot tempered men together to say look

01:30:38.100 we need to work together you need to set it aside and we need to

01:30:44.700 we need to build something now now is the time to build and you can fight it out in the back later

01:30:51.180 if you'd like what do you ladies think any other energetic thoughts about um alter worker energy

01:31:02.220 work we could do for the folk it kind of reminds me of the uh the water work that we have done

01:31:11.020 with our folk uh the calming strife we've uh our women have done group individual group rituals

01:31:23.660 where we we use our feminine magic to sort of draw women in help them find us but also to push out

01:31:32.860 negativity um i'm not going to go into too much detail on that here if you want to know more

01:31:38.380 ladies find us on me we um uh i distracted myself sorry um i know this doesn't sound really stupid

01:31:49.580 but you know how in victorian times people used to do hair art they used to like literally take

01:31:55.580 their hair and turn it into things um you can i would i think i know hair i'm focusing on the

01:32:05.900 hair a lot it's siph and hair it's kind of a common theme but even just if you're sitting at

01:32:13.260 your altar and you're you're trying to meditate on fray or you're i'm sorry fray has been on my

01:32:20.140 mind lately um i don't know but if you're if you're trying to work with siph for something

01:32:27.020 you can literally with the hair on your head you don't even have to take it off

01:32:30.620 knots are a thing, hair is a thing, you can tie knots in your hair and literally turn

01:32:37.260 that into a thing, braid, braither thing. I'm not, I, I'm literally thinking of this as

01:32:43.960 I'm saying it, so I know it's not very, very well, uh, flushed out, but even just the act

01:32:51.260 of brushing your hair, like, have you ever heard somebody say that, like, you, when you're

01:32:56.160 brushing your hair you can like brush things out of it i don't know that was the thing i remember

01:33:01.000 hearing when i was growing up once i you know you could literally talk about brushing the day's

01:33:08.280 negativity out of your off of you by brushing it out of your hair because your hair is growing out

01:33:14.620 of your head and it all funnels up into your hair you can literally brush it away by brushing your

01:33:19.040 hair so like literally you can use your hair as a tool um to work with this and that's that's what

01:33:26.280 i got that is 100 the brushing the day out of your hair okay cool i knew i had heard of it before i

01:33:33.080 just couldn't remember for the life of me and it's not this it's not just yourself so when you think

01:33:39.100 of stephen you think of that calming nature right where she needs to calm the storm she needs to

01:33:45.380 calm strength okay

01:33:50.660 do you understand as a woman your ability to calm a child

01:33:58.260 or your partner or whoever it is that needs that by playing with their hair

01:34:05.220 seriously you know i mean my kids would you know do their their their hygiene but

01:34:11.780 we always had like this point where we would add oil to their hair and i'm not talking about like

01:34:17.780 their greasy messes but you know how you take a shower you wash all the oils out of your head

01:34:22.740 your head itches and it gets dry you know so to prevent all that from happening you put a little

01:34:27.860 bit of product in your hair and you make it soft you make your scalp soft but the act of running

01:34:33.940 your fingers through that hair of massaging the scalp of taking away the worry the pain the stress

01:34:40.100 the anxiety that can be done with women's hands you know so that is definitely something to

01:34:47.220 consider as well you know that is an energetic practice you're using your calm your calmness

01:34:54.420 and you are transferring that to the person in front of you that you're working on you know

01:35:00.580 so that is something that we can definitely do you know also working for we have several people

01:35:08.340 in the church that could use some extra prayers for a happy harvest a safe harvest

01:35:17.140 we have homesteaders in the church you guys you know they're building homes from nothing

01:35:23.300 yards from nothing they could use the prayers the work

01:35:28.020 those are all things that i feel like i would turn a seat for

01:35:31.480 all right and we're going to answer a couple questions here really quick before we get too

01:35:43.880 far otherwise we're going to have 30 questions at the end all right so first we want to say

01:35:49.680 thank you to austin in wisconsin who donated 20 to the grazehoff fund thank you sir appreciate

01:35:55.600 that very much. And then we do have a question from Robert. Why though, how does beauty define

01:36:04.480 her? So we've talked a little bit about that as for women who have long hair and have worked very,

01:36:12.200 very hard to get their hair to that length, somebody coming up behind you and cutting it off

01:36:18.260 is

01:36:19.140 it is such a

01:36:24.100 personal oh

01:36:25.300 it is such a personal attack

01:36:28.460 you guys

01:36:29.500 for a woman who prides

01:36:32.140 herself on her hair

01:36:33.440 of the length of her hair, the health of her hair

01:36:36.200 who puts that kind of energetic

01:36:37.760 work into herself

01:36:39.400 it is

01:36:40.740 I mean

01:36:42.520 you're not going to walk away with those scissors friend

01:36:45.660 you know what I mean

01:36:47.940 Like if you do walk away, they're going to be protruding from you.

01:36:53.080 You know, that's, it's the ultimate insult and it's, it's such a violation.

01:36:59.280 I mean, I personally would feel violated if somebody came up from behind me, grab my hair

01:37:05.360 and cut my hair.

01:37:08.140 So there's no specific meaning in Ossetru that says, you know, you have to grow your

01:37:13.720 hair for whatever reason.

01:37:15.200 I've put a lot of work into growing my hair.

01:37:17.940 and for people who know me they know if you ever see me with short hair i am not okay

01:37:26.380 that i mean that's a general rule and heather's laughing she knows this to be true

01:37:31.860 if i say hey i got a haircut scheduled everybody'd be like i want a picture when you get done

01:37:39.540 just sure because it's that important to me when i am

01:37:45.460 struggling. If I start messing with my hair, that is the first sign that we need to intervene.

01:37:53.400 You know what I mean? So, so for me, it's, that's what it means for me. And I've,

01:37:59.640 the longer my hair, I'm okay. If my hair is long, that's how, you know, I'm all right as a person.

01:38:08.020 All right. And Owl of Omens asks, so the Asenir are goddesses and Sora, the Asenir?

01:38:14.660 yes so they're all part of the gods but the relationships are different yes in the gil

01:38:22.020 in the gilf guinea i noticed only for his handmaids are mentioned technically they're listed as for

01:38:29.440 handmaids but the um also mentioned throughout um they're just paired with their husbands if you

01:38:36.720 notice that we talk about you know frig i mean other than freya she's kind of got her own spot

01:38:41.140 down there but um they talk about when they talk about bragi they'll talk about a dune you know

01:38:46.060 when they talk about balder they talk about nama um and that's kind of how we have them class

01:38:52.140 classified as well you know we've got frig and freya as the awesome year you know they're kind

01:38:57.800 of like i want you to think of the awesome year as and it wouldn't spawn talks about this really

01:39:03.040 well you know the old turtle the the the turtle broaches that the women used to wear you know the

01:39:09.500 cultural dress. So think of that frigging Freya on each side of the woman's chest and the, um,

01:39:17.340 the Austin year are linked between the two, you know, so always think of that, you know,

01:39:22.620 of Greg and Freya. He put that in my mind of, you know, frigging Freya being the two main

01:39:27.040 and the handmaidens, um, are spread across them, you know, so it's a really good visual that I

01:39:33.600 like, but yes, um, the Austin year are mentioned. They are just mentioned, um, in pairing with

01:39:38.700 their husbands and then but the other goddesses are brought into marriage and or birthing of

01:39:45.080 another god yes yes and no so there's some of them where we don't say they they were not

01:39:53.340 originally icier or you know part of that but the the ausfinir are our wives and mothers

01:40:02.000 there are beloved

01:40:03.060 and then

01:40:07.660 Finn asks what do you think

01:40:10.160 of males with long hair

01:40:11.540 I'm a fan

01:40:14.120 but that's just

01:40:15.340 can I say something about that

01:40:18.580 there's nothing wrong

01:40:20.300 with men with long hair as long as they look

01:40:22.300 like men

01:40:22.800 if you are a long haired male

01:40:25.860 who is questionably male

01:40:28.180 cut it

01:40:29.940 or grow a beard grow a beard so what are you better than yours

01:40:40.000 okay so that's that's nick you're starting to fight all right because i'm gonna tell you right

01:40:48.180 now have if has anybody seen my youngest son lately

01:40:51.720 all right so my youngest son is about six feet tall and he's broad like a building and he has

01:41:01.100 got the longest most beautiful head of hair i have ever seen in my life and it's disgusting

01:41:07.400 does he look like a man yes he does is it 1970s like shampoo commercial hair yes it is and he

01:41:17.300 didn't get it from me and it's not fair. And Nick just started a fight. So now I'm going to have to

01:41:21.840 yell at him when he comes home because Nick brought it up. Just saying. Sorry, bud. Yeah.

01:41:29.520 I don't want to say. All right. Let's go back into our topic. I don't see any other questions

01:41:40.020 unless I missed one. All right. Do we have anything else to add on CF ladies? Does anybody

01:41:45.700 want to jump in and add anything that I might have forgotten about, um, that we had talked

01:41:50.120 about? We wanted to bring that. Nope. All right. I think we should go into Nana next.

01:42:02.300 What do you think? Should we go in order? Let's go in order. All right. So Sarah, can

01:42:11.200 I pick on you for Nana? You are part of Baldershof district. So would you give us a synopsis kind of

01:42:21.380 who Nana is and her story in the war? Could you give us that?

01:42:26.840 Nana is the wife of Baldur. She is known for her unconditional and undying love for him.

01:42:34.840 So much so that when he dies, her heart breaks and she dies.

01:42:41.200 yes so when we when we think about nana sarah when we think of nana what is the first

01:42:54.020 word that pops into your head for nana love love yep for me it's devotion

01:43:03.580 mm-hmm yeah okay so now i'm gonna pick on githya heather for a minute

01:43:12.620 heather as a wife and a mother

01:43:21.440 can you explain to me what that feels like what that kind of devotion of a wife and mother

01:43:33.000 why that's different than anything else out there what makes it special the wife and the mother

01:43:41.520 because you will do anything for your children and your husband you will not let anybody hurt

01:43:51.440 your children or your husband if you're like me i'm mama bear you know 2.0 and

01:43:59.180 the same with my husband even though he's not my child like don't mess with my don't

01:44:05.240 mess with my husband and don't mess with my children and we are great

01:44:08.980 mess with them and i'm not so good

01:44:13.440 she's not joking she's not we are not in any way shape or form saying that our men cannot hold

01:44:23.880 their own they can our our men folk are strong and great and wonderful but uh we're gonna let

01:44:33.640 you fight your fight but they are gonna have us afterwards so what's left of those men after our

01:44:40.280 men folk handle them we get the remains and they're going to wish that they were still fighting you

01:44:47.720 i will chew your ankle chew it like a rabbit chihuahua i'll five foot three and a half

01:44:59.740 and hundred pounds of me bite your ankle if you mess with my kids

01:45:03.040 but the the love of a wife and mother right is special and it's not something that

01:45:16.520 what's the right word i'm trying to say here it is you know nana literally died of a broken heart

01:45:27.440 she literally threw her on the pyre to join her husband you know and what does that tell her not

01:45:35.320 tell us about her not only her love but her devotion to him you know we can love a lot of

01:45:44.720 things and still not be devoted we could also be devoted to a lot of things that still not love it

01:45:52.240 let's be honest that's real but it's when both of those things happen is where you have nada you know

01:46:02.780 all right i'm watching the questions because now they're pouring in oh dear

01:46:09.580 all right so it says does the um i think it's jove has a question sorry if i'm saying that

01:46:21.960 incorrectly does that mean that she will return after ragnarok as well correct me if i'm wrong

01:46:29.200 to my lore people but it does not specifically say that she that she does it doesn't specifically

01:46:34.680 say that she comes back

01:46:36.700 from hell. It says that

01:46:38.840 Balder and Holder do.

01:46:41.600 But it does not say

01:46:43.000 that she does.

01:46:46.740 There have been arguments that

01:46:48.860 it says at

01:46:50.840 the end that the gods will

01:46:52.840 be playing chess in

01:46:54.320 the field again.

01:46:57.000 But it does not specifically say that

01:46:58.800 she returns.

01:47:00.700 We talked about this in the Githia

01:47:02.740 panel as well.

01:47:03.540 this came up um would anybody like to talk about kind of our discussion that we had

01:47:13.120 about her still remaining because we we when we talked it out we're like if she still remains

01:47:20.140 what does that mean right anybody like to talk about that a little bit i might call on somebody

01:47:26.560 so if she if she doesn't come back what does that mean

01:47:33.920 she made that commitment right

01:47:40.520 is very selfless thing for her to do if she does not come back it was very selfless yes

01:47:51.780 absolutely because it doesn't say that she comes back balder does and maybe she does i'm not going

01:48:01.820 you know i'm not going to pretend that i know the will of the gods i'm not going to say that

01:48:07.860 um i suppose we'll find out when that happens but the thing is is what does that mean

01:48:15.540 right if balder is known to come back but nana isn't and she doesn't anyway she doesn't anyway

01:48:24.380 right

01:48:26.220 knowing that she maybe can't follow him back

01:48:33.640 you know but she didn't know him in that place alone go ahead ma'am yeah so it it points out

01:48:42.440 that they are would appear forever separated in the afterlife once he returns and so we talked

01:48:51.520 about that nature of grief because she felt it so strongly initially and that must stay with her

01:48:58.320 and part of our discussion on her was all the people who grieve over their lost relatives

01:49:06.740 and that that is very real in our world we deal with a lot of people in our own church here who

01:49:14.600 are going through it on a daily basis and some of the things that we can do to reach out to them to

01:49:21.340 give comfort to remind them some have this really hard time to imagine that life continues on that

01:49:28.580 the spirit continues and they are so hurt by the abandonment of someone that they left or that

01:49:35.280 total loss that just pains them so that is part of her message to us is to remember to help those

01:49:43.820 who are grieving so um i'm going to ask sarah this one so sarah with nana you know we also see a lot

01:50:01.240 of, we also relate a lot of piety for her, devotion and piety. So looking at that in the

01:50:10.100 practical realm of worship, right? Again, we're talking about things we do in her name and her

01:50:17.020 honor, right? Acts of devotion. What kind of things can we do to, in the, in the practical

01:50:26.680 world is just any woman in the afa what can any woman in the in the afa what kind of good works

01:50:32.960 could she do um for nana helping other women learn to to grow deeper in their devotion

01:50:47.480 their knowledge of the of this here um you can help take care of a hof

01:50:55.960 and and things along those lines i think um

01:51:03.960 the creation of boulder's hof is an amazing example of what women can do in devotion to nana

01:51:17.480 because wouldn't you say that for a while, you know, the Baldursock and the work on it

01:51:30.520 was a devotion of love of the women involved, if that makes sense.

01:51:38.880 a hundred percent and you know anna can speak on that as well there was

01:51:47.760 a lot of things that went into baldersoft that we utilized nana for so if you

01:51:56.400 at the mural at baldersoft okay you'll actually see that nana's hand rests on the wolf

01:52:09.440 and we specifically asked for that we wanted that we wanted a show of nana

01:52:20.720 um anna did you want to talk about that a little bit about kind of well where we were going with

01:52:27.600 that sure um the months leading up to in between acquiring baldursoff signing the papers you know

01:52:40.900 me and jason gallagher taking the tour of baldursoff and then leading up to the dedication

01:52:46.600 there was there was a lot of there was a lot of strife there was a lot of

01:52:55.960 negativity and not all there was some from the you know the community without

01:53:01.960 um we had to fight for our rezoning we had to we had to show that we're not bad people

01:53:10.280 um there was a lot of people coming at us you know from the community there was also uh at the time

01:53:18.860 there was a lot of internal tension there was a lot of just hurt feelings I want to say um internal

01:53:29.120 strife a lot of arguments there were some riffs that will probably never be patched up

01:53:36.800 all of that kind of made for i'd like to say kind of a wolfish like this wolf we felt was

01:53:47.240 just circling you know circling the hop itself by completing that hop by having it dedicated to

01:53:54.780 balder we are we showed with that that our devotion that our piety that our love

01:54:01.620 is now resting it's our hand resting on the head of the wolf and holding it down

01:54:08.200 we won we've tamed the wolf

01:54:12.200 we also did have a saying that we were going to drag you into the golden age kicking and screaming

01:54:19.500 if necessary. We did. We did. We did. But we did. We did. We did it. We absolutely did.

01:54:33.580 It's a wrong point, but it's still funny that you measured everything in

01:54:37.080 We also, okay, we just got another donation.

01:54:47.360 Gilbert in Georgia donated $150 to PhraseHoff.

01:54:51.340 Thank you, Gilbert.

01:54:52.880 Thank you so much.

01:54:54.160 Appreciate that.

01:54:57.800 Ah, I'm going to give this one to Miss Sarah.

01:55:04.440 Are you ready?

01:55:07.080 people always say women have better intuition do you think this is true and could there be

01:55:14.640 a spiritual aspect to this too yes i believe it's true because women listen better i'm

01:55:23.580 i'm joking i am i'm joking no you're not i do i do believe is true i think

01:55:30.920 women hear the things that aren't said i think in a lot of ways they are better observers so

01:55:40.060 they hear the the kind of things that aren't said and what was the second part um do you think that

01:55:50.160 there could there be a spiritual aspect to this oh i think there definitely is

01:55:57.540 um for me there's there's a lot of times where i i feel that something's off or even something's

01:56:08.640 really good and and i'll reach out to a person and and i'm usually pretty spot on with something

01:56:17.560 and i know that is something that githia heather does a lot of she is amazing at that

01:56:25.240 and I'm sure she'd like to share that yeah I think she should especially when she calls me

01:56:33.240 and says I smell roses and cigarettes what's wrong in all honesty I text Katie first I was

01:56:42.000 like do you like roses and she was like not really I was like okay let me text Brady so

01:56:48.580 i don't know i i'm usually at work so it's like no special time when it decides to like hit me

01:56:58.860 and i have to stop doing what i'm doing and like text everybody like are you okay are you okay are

01:57:04.040 you okay it's you but yeah i just one day i was getting ready for work and i i just kept smelling

01:57:13.240 cigarettes and then it was like roses and i was like brandy what the heck is going on

01:57:20.120 it's not katie i thought it was katie and she was like you know what my perfume is and i was

01:57:26.040 like no it's just roses like and you smoke how did i not figure this out but

01:57:33.040 it's been many things like um I've also reached out to Katie and Svon when I have feelings about

01:57:43.800 things that like do happen that I can't have any control over and then it freaks me out for

01:57:49.760 forever because I want to fix it and a lot of times there is no fix um I think I talked to

01:57:57.520 Katie, Brandy, and Svon, when I had the, remember when I called freaking out, a whole bunch of

01:58:02.780 people were going to leave, and y'all were like, just chill, because there's nothing you can do

01:58:07.660 about it, I mean, it's just, I've been that way my whole life, I always tell people, never cut

01:58:17.520 your kids off, my parents, my mom and my grandma never cut that off, or acted like that was strange

01:58:22.540 when i did things like that i never did it with my girls and my girls do the same thing like my

01:58:28.140 daughter was three when she told us what kind of car we were going to buy and then the next year

01:58:32.780 we bought that car um so i just think it's a big it's a big thing because once you cut stuff like

01:58:39.980 that off or stop it it's really hard to get it going again you can slow it down but if you stop

01:58:48.540 it it is a lot a lot of work to get it going again and um i always tell people like that feeling you

01:58:59.500 get when you're in the store and you're like you don't want to walk towards that person and you

01:59:03.660 don't know why that that's your intuition you know stay away from that person for whatever reason

01:59:10.700 it's your it's yourself protecting yourself you know um but that's what i've always you know like

01:59:18.940 taught my girls that's how i taught my girls to start noticing what it is i was like when you're

01:59:23.600 around somebody and it makes you feel that oh my gosh i need to get away from that person

01:59:28.340 and that just built it stronger and stronger for them i mean my girls were really little and they

01:59:33.800 would tell me i don't want to be here i don't these people make me feel different and i'm like

01:59:38.260 let's go you know so i think yes i think it's a lot spiritual because i think some of the things

01:59:48.520 uh that we feel or or observe or whatever might be coming from other places i mean because

02:00:00.940 there's some things that just can't be explained with watching somebody or you know listening to

02:00:07.240 somebody so um like i said if you ever are interested in pushing that further you just

02:00:16.740 have to keep yourself remember to keep yourself open always open and don't like

02:00:22.620 act like don't think you're crazy you know like i've seen friends friends of mine would tell me

02:00:30.980 i was crazy and i'm like i'm not crazy i know what's gonna happen you know and my parents never

02:00:36.860 did that to me either so like just trust it i mean worst case scenario what you believe

02:00:43.340 is going to happen doesn't right i mean that's the worst thing um

02:00:51.740 that's my so i have a question that's my go ahead yeah is it easier um being also true then

02:00:59.980 obviously you were christian before and i would think that christianity tends to hold that down

02:01:05.340 um did you have that previously and obviously we have no issue with it we would encourage

02:01:11.420 people to develop this the second sight the intuition and all that i was not raised my

02:01:18.540 grandparents and my mother were not any kind of religious so the only time i explored religion

02:01:26.940 is when i married daniel oh yes interesting yeah so well saved you so every time daniel would uh

02:01:39.580 try something i've always been that person if he's trying and i'm trying it we're going to do

02:01:43.660 it together so we tried you know jehovah witness and then that's what led us to australia you know

02:01:49.820 so they kept telling daniel that the soul was in the blood so he tracked his bloodline and he was

02:01:57.740 like well my bloodline is this so i need to see what they did and that's when we started looking

02:02:04.860 into also true it's a great story yeah love it so i agree sheila so i believe that it is harder

02:02:19.820 to, let me back that up two steps. One of the most common questions I get is specifically from women

02:02:29.260 is about divination. Okay. One of the things I have always told women from the very, very

02:02:37.420 beginning, and when it, if you ever asked to work with me, I will put you through the most annoying

02:02:43.140 things in the entire world to prepare you for real divination, right? Because real divination

02:02:54.440 relies on tuned intuition. When you throw runes, the runes have power and meaning,

02:03:05.360 but without actual tuned in intuition, you can miss things. If you read cards,

02:03:11.260 the cards aren't the power if you do nine by nine by nine the numbers are not the power

02:03:18.880 right if you throw oom the oom is not the power it represents the power

02:03:28.720 so you know when people have asked to mentor with me in some of these things i start them

02:03:36.960 out with things that they're just like why am i doing this because you need to understand what

02:03:43.600 it means when you see it how do how does this affect you what does this make you think of

02:03:50.240 because you are the one that's interpreting the message and sometimes you're not even

02:03:55.760 interpreting the message you're relaying them you're interpreting it you're relaying it

02:04:01.440 so you have to trust your instinct you have to trust your intuition

02:04:05.200 that takes practice is it an innate born talent 100 absolutely but just like a muscle if you don't

02:04:15.380 use it it weakens right so yes okay we are not gonna jump i just dug a big hole we're not gonna

02:04:24.820 jump down that one somebody set a snare all right can i share my story about how my friendship with

02:04:35.460 heather started absolutely it fits into the intuition um i had gone to uh like a pagan fest

02:04:47.220 here and i was looking through the the booths and there was this really cool green spiral made out

02:04:53.140 a crystal that i really wanted because i like spirals i like green but right next to it was

02:05:00.420 this other purple heart thing uh there was an owl carved into it and every it's

02:05:09.940 it felt like it was i had this instant thought that heather would really like this and i had not

02:05:18.260 besides saying hi you know the basic niceties i had never certainly never met heather in person

02:05:24.580 i had never talked in depth to her so i thought why it just seemed odd but i went with it and i

02:05:31.860 sent it in the mail to her and so when she got it she called me and she's she asked me kind of why

02:05:39.300 i bought it and she's like i have something to show you and she has a tattoo that matches

02:05:47.460 the all the the carving of the owl and i had no idea she had that and it was just kind of a cool

02:05:57.220 thing that came to me that that matched up with her and her all and it was that's how we started

02:06:03.780 talking and i have no idea why yeah i remember that because she called me afterwards she's like

02:06:17.220 she's gifted and it's like she's got it yeah because the little stone is shaped almost like

02:06:26.180 south carolina too why do you even notice that okay that's awesome

02:06:35.540 um katie do you have anything to add on that i know that this is a an area that that you work

02:06:43.060 with do you have anything to add on that on the intuition yeah just back to the initial question

02:06:48.020 when he was asking if it is inherently female and i think one of the things that we talk about in the

02:06:54.500 nfa all the time is that as women we are inherently magical and what do we mean by that it means we

02:07:01.060 literally use our very bodies to create life and what is more magical than that you know what i

02:07:07.540 mean so we say it's in our blood and being frithful is a type of i consider frith to be a sort of

02:07:18.500 feminine magic because if a woman is in tune with the energy around her with her

02:07:26.180 intuition you can literally manipulate the energies around you and I don't

02:07:33.340 mean like turning people's hair blue or anything like that or something like

02:07:37.820 chakra like not shockers whatever you know the kung-fu movies are they're all

02:07:42.440 blue and then when pushes their enemy 500 yards away or whatever I'm not

02:07:46.580 talking about that kind of manipulating energy i mean and we talked about this before you can walk

02:07:51.760 into a room with two men who are clearly hostile to each other and a woman can if she knows what

02:07:57.680 she's doing walk up to those men and with a hand on the shoulder just a gentle touch can manage to

02:08:07.240 if not calm the men down de-escalate the situation a great deal and that's it's not just

02:08:14.700 a woman walked into the room although sometimes that's enough it's it's the fact that we literally

02:08:20.880 are inherently capable of manipulating situations like that we've seen women who use that uh that

02:08:32.120 that magic if you will in a negative way they walk into a room and they they manipulate things into

02:08:37.860 a negative situation um but it's our intuition is part of all of that of everything that women

02:08:46.260 are that helps them to learn how to control the the frith in a room so i do believe it is

02:08:54.520 inherently feminine and also by the same standards inherently a spiritual thing because

02:09:02.300 you have to yeah that's that's all well i lost my thought in the middle of it as per usual

02:09:11.400 before we move off of nana there is a couple questions stacked i want to get to those as well

02:09:19.300 um let's see so owl of omen so sheila and lauren i'm going to give this one to you two

02:09:28.200 what is the reciprocity between the feminine and the masculine and vice versa that we should

02:09:37.060 attempt to achieve not only in our family life but also in our relationship with the gods and

02:09:42.740 goddesses what is that reciprocal relationship between the feminine and the masculine

02:09:48.200 and how do we how do we duplicate that with the gods

02:09:52.080 do you want to start lauren

02:09:55.860 you can go ahead but um sure well um i mean um in our relationship with the gods and goddesses

02:10:15.240 um like for me i'm not sure if this would that's a question i'm not um i've always kind of i've

02:10:22.380 always considered myself a Othenskythia. Othenskythia was the first of the Aesir that I started

02:10:31.480 following and I feel like he called me to this path, but I've been balancing it out in my life

02:10:37.800 with following all the goddesses as well. So I think it's important for me. So if you perhaps

02:10:44.800 only follow the male holy powers. Perhaps you could balance it out by trying to find some

02:10:53.500 qualities of our female holy powers that interest you, that could serve you, that could answer some

02:11:01.320 of your prayers, things that you're interested in. So it's just important to find a good balance

02:11:08.800 with those things i hope that makes sense it's us go ahead yeah um sometimes when

02:11:18.800 we have we do bloat and it is to one of the um the house uh one of the men oftentimes odin but

02:11:28.480 it could be frere or thor any of them i think we've been very very effective and also doing

02:11:35.360 bloat to typically frig or freya but sometimes other goddesses as well and because the nature of

02:11:45.360 those those bloats are so different than um than each other and there is there is a very different

02:11:54.720 feeling to a bloat that is to one of our goddesses compared to one of the gods so i think that needs

02:12:02.400 to be encouraged and people um i i typically you know we're at odin's hall i think of odin all the

02:12:10.480 time but i very much connect to frig and i could have said that in that very first question we had

02:12:15.600 i connect with frig and always have as kind of she who welcomes everyone home and home for us

02:12:21.920 is odin's off and so i see myself with my husband as wooden frig steve sheila kind of thing but i

02:12:29.440 think the balance is beautiful needs to be encouraged uh wherever you can do that and um

02:12:36.160 it's often done at all of our hops there's oftentimes another bloat that is done in addition

02:12:41.520 to the main bloat sometimes to have one to one of our goddesses is a really nice balance for

02:12:47.760 everybody to experience thank you ma'am i've grown closer to freya a lot because i'm close to because

02:12:58.080 i feel close to odin because she has a lot of qualities that are a good counterpart to

02:13:03.840 oath into a frig of course but but freya in some other ways which are very interesting yeah

02:13:12.800 so i kind of have something to add about just the the basic relationship between the masculine

02:13:19.200 the feminine man and woman and how that works in really religiosity when we look at the feminine

02:13:27.040 and the masculine and the reciprocal give and take of that one of the things that i just wanted

02:13:34.880 to point out with that so if you've ever seen me do a dual bloat with a gothi um i have the

02:13:43.600 the thought process that men give women receive in a spiritual capacity so when it's just a githia

02:13:54.380 are it's just a gothi of course they have to do both but when i do dual bloats i prefer to receive

02:14:01.280 the gifts of the folk right and then the go the intern gives them to the gods it's true i receive

02:14:10.100 the gifts of the gods the go the intern gives it to the folk now is that like some afa super

02:14:16.600 secret doctrine or thing like that no that's brandyism but i like to have that represented

02:14:22.760 when i personally do like a dual blow i will receive the gothi would give you know i'd like

02:14:30.100 to have that representation um i also like to point out the spiritual feminine identity there

02:14:40.140 is a spiritual feminine identity there is also a masculine spiritual identity there is spiritual

02:14:48.020 women duty, there's masculine spiritual duties, right? And we see that in our, you know, our

02:14:57.140 gender roles, not only here in the mundane world, but spiritually as well. I like that, you know,

02:15:06.680 one of the traditions that we have at Baldershof is we actually separate the men and the women

02:15:11.480 before below. And again, this is a tradition at Baldershof. This is not something that

02:15:17.840 you can expect at every single afa event this is not that but i like to play on that spiritual

02:15:24.880 identity of woman gathered together doing their super secret girl stuff before bloat

02:15:32.240 and the men doing their super secret boy stuff before bloat and we actually have a um a ritual

02:15:39.920 that we do before bloat at balder soft where we separate the men and the women the women do their

02:15:45.600 their women's stuff the men do their men's stuff downstairs and for bloat and worship of the gods

02:15:51.060 we come together as a folk masculine and feminine in unity worshiping the gods and we actually

02:15:58.800 symbolize that with a dagger we don't know what the boys do downstairs with that knife

02:16:05.560 i don't know if we want to because you know as a mother with boys with knives sometimes you just

02:16:10.980 don't want to ask right but there are men's mysteries that happen with this dagger downstairs

02:16:15.860 there are feminine mysteries that happen upstairs with the horn when the men come upstairs they

02:16:21.480 actually present the dagger to the women um to a representative there'll be a one man and one

02:16:27.240 woman he'll hand the dagger to her and he says the men give you our protection and we actually

02:16:34.300 take that dagger from the men we wrap it in a white cloth and set it on the harrow and we say

02:16:40.020 the women give you our peace. I really love to represent that balance of the separation of

02:16:46.600 masculine and feminine, but united in worship. So that's something that's important to me. And I'd

02:16:54.040 like to take the opportunity to show that and demonstrate that whenever I can. But as far as

02:17:00.680 what it is with our relationships to the gods and goddesses, that's exactly what it is as a

02:17:07.140 relationship. If you remember when we talk about relationships, we're not just talking about

02:17:11.640 romantic relationships. We're talking about relationships with your parents, relationships

02:17:15.680 with your family, relationships with your kids, relationships with your best friend, relationships

02:17:20.040 with your coworkers, relationships with the gods. It's you build that relationship just like you

02:17:27.980 would any other. Out of the rabbit hole, next question, please. All right. Next question is,

02:17:46.520 Owl of Omens asked, so he asked, Var is the goddess of intuition and psychic inclinations.

02:17:57.980 Yes. So be careful with the Vaur, or, you know, the Vaur and the Vaur.

02:18:06.920 So Svon taught me a really, really nice rhymey thing, because he knows I work that way,

02:18:13.460 where Vaur sees far, and Vaur takes vows. So that should help you guys. Svon is a genius.

02:18:24.040 thank you for that sir but that's how that helps keep them separated and it helps with

02:18:29.720 the enunciation of the word something that heather's shaking her head me too girl me too

02:18:40.840 all right and also we have a question

02:18:47.320 that's a really really really big rabbit hole so let's finish up nana

02:18:52.440 Okay. All right. So when we talked about the practical, we left off, okay, give me a thumbs

02:18:58.260 up. We left off on the practical of Nana, right? Practical worship of Nana. So, you know, Sarah

02:19:04.880 talked, you know, things that we can do, you know, in her good name, right? We can help the spiritual

02:19:12.340 education and the piety of our women, right? We can love and be devoted. We can help. And this is,

02:19:19.860 this is not the me as a githya this is not heather as a githya this is not sarah as a githya student

02:19:25.580 this is you and even our men folk as a normal man or woman in the afa but specifically our women

02:19:33.620 they can help educate and help women build their spirituality and their piety and encourage that

02:19:40.400 that is something that would be in the realm of nana you know um unconditional love and devotion

02:19:48.320 tending a hoth could be done in the name in the good name of nana you know so all of those things

02:19:55.220 that revolve around piety duty selflessness acts of devotion those are all things that in the

02:20:04.860 mundane world those acts can be done with her i'm doing this for her this is what i'm going to do

02:20:13.780 today as an as an act of devotion i'm doing this because nana inspired that and tell people that

02:20:20.260 take the opportunity to say i learned this from as a true i learned this from the lord

02:20:27.680 look how practical and great this is help bring your folk home to that the more you can explain

02:20:35.780 the importance here and now of the, of the, of the Asen, of the Aesir and the Asenir and of

02:20:45.020 the religion, the more you're going to help people come home and the more you are going to be

02:20:51.440 fulfilled and the more we're going to grow. Okay. Out of the rabbit hole onto the next question.

02:20:56.980 um this is a really big question so we're gonna kick it off i'm going to start with katie on this

02:21:08.580 one what do you think of things that are used for divination like tarot cards so katie start us off

02:21:17.880 and then we're on table this ladies so just kind of think of of something katie just one

02:21:24.200 uh give me a second then this is this this one is one of those things uh i think i talked about

02:21:31.800 it briefly on um last week's episode when i was in vermont and uh still scatterbrained as usual

02:21:39.960 um brainy mentioned something earlier on this uh this chat that i thought was relevant and it was

02:21:46.840 that it's not the card it's the woman reading the card it's the intuition that exists within

02:21:53.800 the woman that's doing the divination or i'm not doing the divination but um i know personally

02:22:00.040 i'm not a big fan of tarot cards i don't think tarot cards are very ostrich um but i think that

02:22:08.760 you can take just about anything that exists in the world outside of also true and and make it

02:22:14.520 also true if you want to um i'm sure there are some things that are harder to to translate but

02:22:20.680 But we absolutely do practice divination.

02:22:25.440 We talked about that earlier.

02:22:26.640 I do osteomancy, bone throwing.

02:22:29.460 I have used tarot cards in the past.

02:22:31.720 I don't find they resonate with me personally very well.

02:22:37.580 I just don't connect to it.

02:22:39.980 I don't really, I don't know.

02:22:42.240 It doesn't feel very authentic, which isn't really necessarily a thing.

02:22:50.680 and let's go over to sarah what do you think ma'am

02:22:56.440 i don't as far as tarot cards i don't i don't use them i don't i've never felt connected to

02:23:08.200 them i do tend to use the elder futhark ruins by different poles reading them um i also do like

02:23:19.480 wax readings where you drip wax in to water and read it or um flame reading the flame but those

02:23:33.360 two it's too easy to manipulate what you see because you can make yourself see what you want

02:23:43.760 too and not to me that's not a true kind of reading i don't know how else to explain that

02:23:49.600 but does that make sense okay yeah so that's kind of what i do miss heather

02:24:02.240 other than raw intuition is there anything that you use

02:24:06.560 you're muted

02:24:12.160 we can't hear you

02:24:16.880 okay i said i tried divination rods they weren't my thing um my oldest daughter does tarot

02:24:29.480 i've just never had a pull towards tarot um i don't know if you call it

02:24:38.040 it's not something you can buy but this might be what you're talking about but i find things

02:24:46.740 like like right now i have a whole mason jar this week of bird feathers

02:24:53.760 that I find in the most random places like that they should never be there um depending on

02:25:04.140 what I'm supposed to be doing or seeing or learning I get different things like

02:25:12.280 all of a sudden it switched from bird feathers to pennies I find pennies like it's going out of

02:25:19.140 file um so i just kind of study the things that i find around me i at the runes of course i use the

02:25:28.120 runes um but i don't i did ostomancy that was good when katie did the class on that i did that

02:25:38.320 i don't do it regularly i'd probably be a lot better if i did it on a regular basis

02:25:45.640 But if I have something like. I really want to know, I'll just ask Katie. So she's going to have to tell me to start doing it myself. That's just honest answer.

02:26:01.940 but um i don't really use a lot of things

02:26:08.200 um i know a lot of people do i know that it works for them but me personally it's more just like

02:26:20.520 what falls in my environment or like i said whatever lesson or thing i need to be learning

02:26:27.280 or whatever i just gets focused when it's an abundance of one thing i know that um

02:26:34.160 maybe pay a little more attention to what's going on with this

02:26:38.720 meditate on it see what happens kind of thing i guess i'm not much hope

02:26:47.040 help actually because that's actually a thing the the the finding of things and trying to figure

02:26:52.000 out why i mean it's catching your attention right all right uh sheila do you have any experience or

02:27:01.360 anything that you work with sheila's also one that always just seems to know things

02:27:07.040 especially with people okay the intuition i guess um i have never done tarot myself i've never wanted

02:27:17.760 to learn it because i feel it would take you know too much time and i don't have time for that

02:27:22.800 however i've had readings and so has my husband by a lady who seemed very very gifted in it and

02:27:29.760 it just kind of blew us away ours were so different but so accurate another thing is so i don't do it

02:27:36.560 and i would not do it as part of austro i use runes like everybody else but i also i'm always

02:27:41.920 curious about people's birth dates due to their personalities and i can oftentimes i can pinpoint

02:27:48.160 somebody who's born under the sign of cancer they just couldn't come through to me that's

02:27:52.240 an intuition thing too in a way kind of reading that and so um but again i'm not a lot of people

02:27:58.960 are way into astrology on you know doing natal charts and the whole thing which of course now

02:28:05.120 you can get online made in about 90 seconds maybe even less if you've got your birth date and time

02:28:11.360 but anyway um yeah if it's not valid into our religion i don't do it but i do see

02:28:20.160 it's an indicator for something so i will go that far with it

02:28:27.520 so nick is popping up an image right here i want you all to let this go into your mind because as

02:28:34.720 soon as the other githias are done i'm gonna look like this so everybody remember that get the horn

02:28:46.960 i love that meme um well uh tarot cards well i mean back in my my my wicca days you know like

02:28:55.920 20 25 years ago whatever like i are 30 years ago 40 years not that not that far back i would be a

02:29:03.680 child but um no i i did some tarot readings um some like scrying some things like that um these

02:29:10.880 days i i work primarily with the um elder futhark uh runes um like the first aussitry book that i

02:29:18.080 read was freya asquin's miss northern mysteries and magic and like a long time ago i ended up

02:29:24.560 doing like a distance learning court rune learning course with her like maybe 20 more than 20 years

02:29:30.880 ago or so um yeah so i just prefer the rooms but i mean tarot cards um you know can bring something

02:29:40.960 if just if you have the intuition with them so yeah what about you get the anna

02:29:48.640 i you know i've had my tarot cards read once um it was pretty accurate it was in

02:30:00.880 2020 when there was a whole lot of stuff going on for me a lot of stuff going on just all over

02:30:06.780 the place but they were pretty accurate um i that means that i don't i don't work with them

02:30:14.220 I know you can go into any bookstore or anything and see like a whole wall of tarot card decks

02:30:27.440 from your traditional ones to the Britney Spears deck.

02:30:32.340 I forget which one, but one of them is the one where she's shaving her head.

02:30:36.480 and i'm like um okay that's probably not probably not the best thing for a spiritual connection to

02:30:44.900 anyone is this poor woman just losing her mind on national television like she did um i work

02:30:51.500 with the rooms i work with both the um elder truth arc and the arminen and those are what i

02:30:58.500 feel connected to i've never really felt connected with anything else although the behavior of

02:31:04.540 toddlers can sometimes be kind of well there's an old wives tale where if your toddler is

02:31:12.540 kind of doing the downward facing dog and looking in between their legs

02:31:16.380 it means they're looking for their sibling and you are pregnant

02:31:22.060 irene was doing that a lot last year in july

02:31:24.700 proof and i'm not saying there's anything to it but i'm not saying there's nothing to like the

02:31:36.060 behavior of toddlers because i think children don't know that they're not supposed to see

02:31:40.140 beyond the veil like that no one's told that that's that's not possible

02:31:49.660 can i jump ahead to a question that we're going to have in a minute

02:31:53.420 yes sorry i saw um our california member monk talking about using the pendulum

02:31:59.980 uh and he asks if anybody does use it i have used the pendulum quite a bit

02:32:05.020 um i don't tend to use it for divination anymore i use it more as like a concentration tool or a

02:32:10.540 meditation um just if i'm trying to refocus my energy so i can can use it for other things the

02:32:18.300 pendulum is a really good tool because you use your energy you can use your energy to make it

02:32:23.580 go back and forth or in circles or whatever and kind of tune yourself in if that makes sense

02:32:28.860 so i don't really like to use it for um divination but i do like to use it for

02:32:36.940 just kind of tuning my energy and i guess also tea leaves but i don't like those so much anymore

02:32:43.340 all right all right you're good nick can you put that that meme up one more time

02:32:53.540 because here we go all right here we go and i promise there's no aliens

02:33:05.720 so divination is something that's very uh near and dear to me um for those of you that have

02:33:15.900 worked with me or mentored with me you know that i'm very big on numbers right i have used tarot

02:33:22.600 cards they're okay but to be 100 honest then the imagery messes with me the imagery it's almost

02:33:31.000 like it's almost like it messes with the signal you know what i mean because first of all i can

02:33:36.680 be a squirrel sometimes so if i'm trying to get in the zone and i'm like oh it's so pretty no no

02:33:41.880 rabbit hole right so i work better with numbers which is why i like cartomancy and nine by nine

02:33:51.560 by nine the most right like basic numerology nine by nine or cartomancy because it focuses on the

02:33:58.760 numbers. Now, when we do things, anything intuition related, right, you have your general

02:34:09.160 basic meaning of what this is supposed to represent. But remember how I've been, like I

02:34:15.780 said, right in the beginning, you have to learn and gain a personal understanding of something,

02:34:21.580 Right. So when I do readings or I do divination or I'm doing something along that line, whether it's for myself, whether it is asked of me or it's part of a yearly routine, I use my personal understanding more than I'm going to use a book.

02:34:44.320 okay so i'm not the one that's going to take one of the 15 cartomancy books open it up read the

02:34:53.000 cartomancy and look at the card and say this means this i don't do that every number has a meaning

02:34:59.660 every card has a meaning i am a lunatic and you can show me the different queen cards and i can

02:35:07.180 explain to you the different characteristics of femininity based on what that card looks like

02:35:11.740 based on which one of them has a weapon the only one that has a weapon by the way is the queen of

02:35:15.660 spades um and what their flowers look like down with the curls of their hair right like that's

02:35:21.800 that's the understanding that i've gotten also the same thing with numerology

02:35:25.600 i say this to say this everything is about a personal understanding and a personal reflection

02:35:33.740 right you can quote it all you want somebody can grab a book on cartomancy and say yeah

02:35:40.800 these cards mean this. But do they? Or is your understanding going to trump, you know, Lady

02:35:49.520 Sheba's definition, right? Santa Cortez's definition. It's all about your personal

02:35:56.680 understanding. I do believe that there is spiritual understanding that you will receive when you're

02:36:01.800 ready, that you receive as you prepare, that you receive as you go through your life. And I think

02:36:06.520 intuition works the same it gets better it gets stronger your understanding of signs of omens

02:36:14.600 of you know numbers of these things they will evolve with you as you age this is part of the

02:36:22.440 whole theory that age is not age is not an illness aging and getting old is now not an illness it is

02:36:29.960 and evolution, right? Same thing. So I personally, I use cartomancy myself. Nothing against tarot.

02:36:41.340 I do also use the runes, but runes I use for a strictly as true spiritual practice, where when

02:36:47.160 I'm working with my intuition, I'll use the stuff I'm most comfortable with, which would be

02:36:50.800 numerology, um, card fancy. So yes, that wasn't so bad. I caught myself before we took a left.

02:37:03.260 Yes. But yeah, it's, it's my jam. I like it a lot.

02:37:08.840 all right so that brings us over to our next our next oust veneer and that would be

02:37:22.960 who are we on we just did nana so that would bring us to

02:37:28.440 Ooh, Scotty.

02:37:33.220 Is that right?

02:37:34.840 Yep.

02:37:35.520 Counting them off.

02:37:38.500 But we're going to talk about two here.

02:37:40.420 We're going to talk about Yarth and Scotty, okay?

02:37:46.560 Because we've got two aspects there with Yarder.

02:37:50.720 We could have done that with Thor as well, but let's do it here.

02:37:53.880 So let's first talk about Scotty.

02:37:55.780 Would anybody like to give us a synopsis of Scotty's story? Would anybody like to volunteer

02:38:04.680 his tribute?

02:38:08.680 I kind of like the way Lauren tells it. Lauren, would you like to follow the story?

02:38:17.380 Well, sure. Well, Scotty lives in Jotunheim. Well, she did live in Jotunheim with her father

02:38:22.980 Thiazzi the giant and basically Thiazzi gets in a little bit of a pickle with with the Aesir

02:38:29.620 where the Aesir um it's a you know a story where he steals Idun and um then he you know they they

02:38:39.540 end up killing him and so Skabi um marches to Asgard and uh you know she's ready to kind of go

02:38:45.940 to war with them and but when she gets there um they see something in her and she she um she ends

02:38:53.060 up joining them joining the eyes here um and becoming a part of them and she chooses her

02:38:59.300 husband um yours she ends up with yours but she thinks she's going to end up with balder because

02:39:04.820 she picks by the beauty of the feet that she sees but she kind of looks up and it's like oh it's

02:39:09.940 in your earth which he's he's wonderful but you know he's not balder but um so that's how she

02:39:16.020 gets her husband uh in the ice here and um also a funny thing about her is she kind of dares the

02:39:22.580 gods to make her laugh which is interesting and loki ends up making her laugh by uh some some

02:39:30.020 interesting activity with the goat which is not very you know nice but uh anyway but she does

02:39:36.420 laugh and she does join them and she becomes a really you know an important part of the ice here

02:39:42.100 um and she's in a lot of stories um so she's very important um um like uh she ends up uh

02:39:50.820 you know affixing the snake over loki's over loki's head when they finally when they finally

02:39:57.780 are sick of his uh you know his actions they you know they chain him to the rock and put the and

02:40:04.180 she has the snake over over his head she has the last laugh yeah she has the last laugh yes the

02:40:11.140 last laugh because he was taunting her at the feast of your of uh in locus senna she he was

02:40:18.420 taunting her about how he was you know involved in killing her father and everything and she's

02:40:22.900 like you better watch it you're gonna end up you know the gods are gonna tie you to a rock and

02:40:27.220 anyway she added the snake she had her own special touch absolutely they tied him down

02:40:33.700 and they had them all secure and they found me and she's like you know what can make this party

02:40:38.980 even better a snake it's got to be scotty scotty just yeah look at a step further

02:40:46.820 we talked about scotty a lot on our panel you guys we we laughed we cried we were confused

02:40:57.540 we found the light i should say the snake we we got there you know

02:41:02.820 all the different aspects and all the different nuances that come into this right

02:41:08.300 but one of the things that we did point out in the story of scott was that you know she shows up

02:41:19.200 at the gates of the gods ready for a fight do you really think she thought she had a chance

02:41:28.120 think about this logically think about this logically

02:41:32.700 and as her relation as she came through those gates and as her relationship with the icier

02:41:41.680 grew you know through the stories to her marriage to nyurther um through locusenna and it's binding

02:41:50.640 loki we see someone vain young and impetuous right and in the end we see someone powerful

02:42:05.600 courageous and going you know what can make this even better snake out of you know working with

02:42:13.680 the gods god's got you bound how about we have a snake for good measure

02:42:20.880 now think of yourselves um when you first came to azitru a lot of us started doing this in you

02:42:27.600 know we weren't all fortunate that we grew up in this right that's that's a a blessing for our

02:42:33.760 children. Right. But for a lot of us, when we first started, I, I mean, I personally look back

02:42:43.720 20 some years ago and I'm embarrassed of myself. I was impetuous. I was foolish. I was vain.

02:42:54.360 I've had moments where I look at myself now and I'm like, Oh, what were you thinking?

02:42:59.500 i too went through that phase where i don't kneel before my gods i stand proud with my gods

02:43:06.500 it's impetuous right thought i knew everything

02:43:13.020 and as i've grown with my relationship with the icier i realized more i don't know anything

02:43:20.900 and i'm still learning every single day

02:43:23.580 so let's talk about it let's talk about scotty

02:43:30.360 so who would like to start us off with her do we have any volunteers who would kind of like to talk

02:43:38.120 about things that we picked out about her things that we found could warn us or inspire us

02:43:53.580 I know something that we focused on with Scottie was the fact that she was very loyal to her

02:44:07.660 father and despite the fact that her father was not a friend of the gods and she knew

02:44:12.020 that she was probably going to a certain death, she kamikazed the heck out of that.

02:44:16.920 She went in there to do as much harm as she could do and not walk out and in the end,

02:44:23.560 She was willing to, despite her less than maybe thought out plan, to take a step back and think and use her brain and make the better choice.

02:44:41.900 The one that ended up with her as one of our wives and one of our, yeah, I lost my words. I'm sorry.

02:44:52.300 i had a whole thought there and i'm going to end with like two-thirds of it out yeah you're good

02:45:00.880 any of the other githias have anything you want to add about scotty

02:45:05.680 okay well i'll add a few things um she's young she's impetuous she's got that courage that

02:45:19.340 comes with youth and with that it and her desire to find the husband that has most beautiful feet

02:45:28.700 you know of all the things that really shouldn't really matter that is what mattered and it's the

02:45:35.960 idea of making uh silly choices when we're young as you were just saying you know going back to

02:45:42.260 that when we're we're young and the things we learn later on and she does exemplify that

02:45:47.320 ended up in a relationship that was not perfect for either of them but somehow they made do you

02:45:54.460 never hear that they got divorced they kind of traded off places or whatever they made it work

02:46:00.400 and um staying with a relationship staying with a bad decision one could say

02:46:04.800 and making it making the best of it is something she did with her marriage to new order

02:46:10.100 I think we also learned too that sometimes we recognize that women can be a little stubborn

02:46:22.040 sometimes right like we get mad and we want to fight that fight but I think we can learn from

02:46:29.000 from Skadi too that sometimes it's okay to acknowledge that you're not going to win the

02:46:34.680 fight. Sometimes it is in your best interest and probably the best interest of everybody

02:46:40.040 else if you just admit. Not this time. Choose your battles wisely. Sometimes you gotta, you

02:46:48.240 gotta take the, you gotta take the loss. And there's nothing wrong with that. And I'm not

02:46:52.700 talking about like petty things like having a squabble with your husband about something

02:46:59.880 and you know, you're not going to back down because you're the wife and he's not going

02:47:03.980 back down because he's the husband those kinds of things are silly i mean they're not they can be

02:47:08.540 very real when you're in the middle of them with your spouse but that's not the kind of loss i

02:47:13.340 think that we're thinking of i think we're thinking bigger than just you know the squabbles you have

02:47:18.460 with your husband when you have them but it's important to remember that it's it's acceptable

02:47:23.500 on occasion for the greater good to to take the loss

02:47:27.660 one of the things that we can see in her story is keeping her dignity

02:47:37.380 right and not just keeping her dignity because this speaks to the iser as well

02:47:45.720 when she went up there not only did she maintain her dignity

02:47:50.020 the Aesir allowed her

02:47:52.940 to keep her dignity

02:47:54.000 does that make sense

02:47:56.140 that's a big deal when you think

02:47:59.020 about it

02:47:59.840 they could have crushed her like a bug

02:48:02.300 right there's how many

02:48:04.920 of them this whole

02:48:07.120 tribe of people

02:48:08.360 one stop

02:48:09.940 so it speaks

02:48:13.200 to a mutual respect

02:48:15.140 but it speaks to dignity itself

02:48:17.340 you know

02:48:18.220 maintain your dignity also know when to allow others to keep their dignity

02:48:26.880 you don't have to beat someone into the ground to prove you're right you don't have to strip

02:48:36.160 them of dignity to win the battle you know i think that's significant as well you know

02:48:45.260 i'm gonna add one more thing and then i'll stop i swear but i think something else that we see

02:48:54.360 with scotty is and we see it in her relationship or in we see the opposite of her in cian's

02:49:05.280 relationship with loki right um and we talked about this on our call you are who you marry kind

02:49:11.460 of um she didn't necessarily mean to marry Njord she got him because she thought his feet were

02:49:18.080 pretty which you know if that's the metric you want to use whatever um but her and Njord managed

02:49:26.040 to create a relationship that worked for them even if it wasn't conventional right they gave

02:49:31.960 each other the freedom to be who they were going to be to exist in a way that they needed to exist

02:49:37.060 in order to do so in a good way right but then you see loki and his wife and we kind of equated

02:49:45.620 it to almost like an abusive relationship did she stay and hold that bowl over his head because

02:49:52.260 she genuinely loved him so much she wanted to prevent him from as much pain as possible or

02:49:57.620 did she stay because she married him and she kind of had to to deal with the fact that she chose him

02:50:05.940 and probably in some kind of weird way didn't know how to get out how do you get away from that once

02:50:16.740 you've made that choice uh because they would have taken oaths seriously and while maybe her

02:50:22.740 husband didn't she certainly seems to have done so since she continued to hold that bowl if that

02:50:29.300 that makes sense so just you know when we see scotty's story a lot of the times focus people

02:50:40.740 will focus on you know oh she she was going to war against the gods there's there's so much more

02:50:47.040 to the story though when you look beyond it and take a look and see what that means you know she

02:50:53.320 the isir accepted her in time you know she built a relationship with them

02:51:02.220 you know she proved her loyalty to them as as the time went on there's something to that

02:51:10.080 and again that you know the whole keeping of the dignity allowing to keep the dignity

02:51:15.080 the loyalty to her father to face an uncertain battle where really i mean that was foolish

02:51:24.420 right and to do it without fear even though knowing

02:51:28.660 facing those battles regardless sometimes but also knowing when to back down so this is something as

02:51:41.280 you know we talked about with the githia panel we talked about as well um you know what can our

02:51:47.200 women take from that and what some of the things we came up with was knowing when the battle's

02:51:54.000 worth it and knowing when it's not you know and also we talked about you know in the modern day

02:52:01.840 women still have the power to cause chaos right

02:52:08.240 so heather in the sagas who instigated a lot of problems

02:52:14.720 which which of the which of the genders seem to uh instigate often

02:52:24.360 women the women the women you know you you look at you look at that and i'm going to turn to you

02:52:37.700 on this one heather because you're you're good at this so when women get petty or they fight

02:52:48.620 needless battles or they have all of these things going on behind the scenes what happens

02:53:06.060 everything starts to like fall apart it what happens between two people even if you think

02:53:15.340 it's staying between two people it isn't people can see people will ask questions um

02:53:25.980 where did this person go why isn't this person here anymore what happened what happened what

02:53:30.140 happened and sometimes it's just life you know but everybody is looking for

02:53:35.420 the gossip I guess to say so I feel like if there is something like Sarah can ask I'm that person

02:53:49.920 I mean Sarah can say I'm that person I will call you if I haven't heard from you in a month and

02:53:55.560 say did I make you mad I didn't mean to and she'll be like what are you talking about just checking

02:54:03.620 Just checking. But I think it's best to go to that person. I mean, even if they don't, when you go to them face to face, work it out with you, at least that burden is off of you now.

02:54:22.420 And you can just kind of, what I call is, when I talk to people, I say, let's fix it now or let's not worry about it anymore, you know.

02:54:30.680 And I think that's the only way you can be or you'll drive yourself crazy worrying.

02:54:40.640 And I learned that in a very old age.

02:54:44.160 I used to let everything eat me alive.

02:54:46.260 So I think if we put it, especially for the younger ladies, if you put that in motion now, it will save you a lot of stress and worry and, you know, things like that.

02:55:03.460 because life is hard, and sometimes just talking to the person, you find out, hey, their life is

02:55:10.340 just hard, too. You know, it's not a problem, and then if it is a problem, then you work it out, and

02:55:15.760 usually it wasn't really a big problem, you know, so.

02:55:22.100 And I'm going to turn this next portion of this over to Sarah, because I have seen Sarah work

02:55:29.040 this magic on countless occasions. So Sarah, you know, we just talked about how women can get

02:55:38.840 things going sideways, right? Especially when they are bound, determined to do it no matter what.

02:55:46.940 Now talk to me about the opposite of that, where we have a woman creating order rather than chaos.

02:55:54.020 can you tell me the benefits of a woman specifically taking a role in that

02:55:59.980 i think women also can bring the calm to a situation they can

02:56:09.400 they can ease a troubled mind they can

02:56:15.960 along with the intuition they can sense problems that are wrong and and just their mere presence

02:56:26.860 and how they hold themselves how they choose to actually listen to someone

02:56:31.780 can bring calm to a situation and turn the situation around

02:56:37.100 there there are times where

02:56:42.440 a lot of people have anxiety and i can sit in silence with them until they

02:56:52.120 they feel the calm again and and they can go about their stuff um there used to be a man at

02:57:00.000 the hof who he was always very anxious around people especially a lot of people and when things

02:57:06.300 didn't go the way he thought they could. He would get very anxious, very upset, very

02:57:13.800 fidgety. And he would come and stand next to me. He said just, there's something calming

02:57:24.280 about me. And I think it's just stuff women have the ability to actually listen, to sense

02:57:33.040 Not only when they're partners or they're friends or, you know, just bring that calm and that patience with people and change the situation around.

02:57:49.020 Appreciate that, ma'am.

02:57:50.500 so do uh any of the giddies or you guys have anything that you guys would like us to add

02:58:01.940 for the folk on scotty

02:58:04.500 i know we our conversation we had we spent a lot of time on that so there's some stuff that

02:58:13.480 we got we got a little we almost had a scotty party with snake and all of the different meanings

02:58:21.160 and stuff go ahead anna i think one thing we walked away from there was there's a time to

02:58:26.300 be pretty and there's a time to be petty yes say it again for the people in the back anna

02:58:32.500 um there's a time to know like how like to not take it too far and then there are those times

02:58:42.580 where absolutely you need to take it take it there what may look as going too far

02:58:50.580 you know putting that snake over loki did they have to no

02:58:55.860 did they need to yes

02:59:01.380 scotty teaches us when to be pretty and pretty and when to be petty right when to take it that next

02:59:07.620 step and when to back it off a notch. Absolutely. All right. So, okay. So we got a couple of

02:59:23.720 questions here that producer Nick wants us to get to. All right. And then we're going to move

02:59:30.560 on to the next one. I know it's getting late guys. Bear with me. Bear with me. All right.

02:59:36.480 got a few questions here. Do you have holidays or celebrations? Yes, we do. We absolutely do.

02:59:45.200 You're going to want to check on our website, runestone.org. Nick, producer Nick's got that

02:59:50.140 up there. You can also check that out. We got some descriptions of the holidays. Also check

02:59:55.320 calendars for when the holidays are going to be celebrated near you. There might be a local event.

02:59:59.780 There's probably going to be a, there's always going to be a Hoff event on the third Saturday

03:00:03.500 of the month. So yes, every month there is a celebration and there is also numerous days of

03:00:09.660 remembrances that you can also check out on the website to honor our as true heroes.

03:00:16.240 If I start going into those, we're never going to leave, sir. So please check out the website

03:00:20.480 for more information. Otherwise we'll be here until next Wednesday. This is, that's also a

03:00:26.420 topic the Giddias like to talk about. All right. And then Finn asks, what do you think of a Ouija

03:00:35.100 board? Okay. So I'm going to give you my own personal here. I've seen way too many horror

03:00:41.120 movies. No, thanks. I'm good. I can talk to my Desir, my ancestors, and the House Viteer without

03:00:50.340 its use. Again, we're not going to jump down that rabbit hole, but I don't need that board

03:00:59.300 to remind me somebody's talking to me. Also, and I've seen way too many horror movies. I don't

03:01:05.700 want nothing to do with that. So Sarah, what do you think of the Ouija boards?

03:01:10.800 i i have also seen way too many horror movies but i think it is also

03:01:20.680 you know with science it is an amazing thing what the mind can do i think a lot of times

03:01:29.000 when people are holding that they the energy that flows from their mind i don't know the exact

03:01:36.400 science terms or for it but causes that to move that it's it's not some other being from another

03:01:42.960 world it's your own mind causing it to move in science way but i wouldn't have one in the house

03:01:51.760 because i've seen horror movies and they're done that so owl of omens asks okay he says okay so

03:02:01.840 thus far, Cephas replenishment, Nana is devotion and piety, Skadi is dog determination. You really

03:02:08.700 just summed up three hours pretty well. To put it very simply, yes. But not just dog determination,

03:02:20.980 Also, dignity and knowing when to push and when to pull.

03:02:28.380 All right.

03:02:29.280 So we have a couple more that we still need to get to.

03:02:34.820 So we're going to make these next couple kind of quick, guys.

03:02:37.720 All right.

03:02:38.060 We're going to cover, you know what?

03:02:43.680 That's going to be a big one.

03:02:44.820 We're going to go ahead and go through Yarth real quick.

03:02:50.540 And then we're going to go through Gerðr, and then we're going to do a dune.

03:02:54.820 So we're going to try to get through those before 2 a.m.

03:02:58.720 So let's get into it.

03:03:01.100 So the other, the Ausfineer that we've got in regards to Yord is Yarth.

03:03:11.460 You may have also heard as Nerthus.

03:03:14.080 We're using Yarth as the name that we're going to use for her.

03:03:18.940 would anyone be able to give us a quick synopsis of her some interest you know anything you

03:03:26.300 remember from the lore or some basic information on yarth or nervous

03:03:36.700 might grab lauren on this one if she's willing

03:03:39.180 sure of course well she's she's our you know literally our mother earth um she's thor's mother

03:03:48.240 um she you know what she represents really for us is like the like fertility of the earth um she

03:03:56.340 in connection to like pregnancy fertility she's one you can definitely turn to when you're trying

03:04:04.100 get pregnant, things like that. Tacitus wrote about in Germania how people would

03:04:12.500 bring a statue of her in a chariot through the town and everyone would throw down their weapons.

03:04:18.580 That was an interesting part of his account. So yeah, I mean, she's the daughter of Knight,

03:04:27.700 if not that's an interesting point about her um

03:04:35.620 yeah we talked about it we talked about her a fair a fair amount yeah

03:04:43.860 one of the interesting things that we really talked about was the importance of you know the

03:04:50.020 reference of when her carriage came down the men threw down their iron you know and one of the

03:04:56.020 things that our panel talked about quite a bit was you know you can't have that

03:05:08.100 you can't have that fruitful fertile time if you're continually pushing death and destruction

03:05:17.940 it's so much harder to rebuild if you're just going to tear it back down

03:05:21.540 it's hard to make babies when you're busy killing each other let's just be logical you know

03:05:29.540 so it's it's very much we do need that abundance we do need that security

03:05:36.840 of that prosperity and to have that fertility and to have that abundance and to have that growth

03:05:47.320 you know and it's a never-ending cycle of

03:05:52.600 you know of war and rebuilding war and rebuilding war and rebuilding you know

03:06:00.020 so that was a really big concept or aspect that we talked about was the significance of throwing

03:06:08.100 down those weapons um for fertility and for that goddess that exudes fertility

03:06:19.780 you know does anybody have any thoughts that they would like to share on her for with us

03:06:26.500 i'll just call on them sarah do you have any uh any thoughts on uh on your

03:06:37.540 any personal thoughts or anything that you brought from our conversations

03:06:41.460 that you'd like to present to the folk

03:06:42.980 with the the um she is all always represented as being constantly pregnant so it went with

03:06:56.660 the cycle of life um versus death and i'm sorry my mind just spaced um so for energy

03:07:11.380 where she would be a good one for fertility for um for pregnant women and those that also want

03:07:21.780 children because of the the whole cycle and i don't know where i was going with that but

03:07:31.620 it's okay sarah it's getting late it's getting late

03:07:34.420 oh my goodness githia katie sends her regards she does have to be up early um as do a couple

03:07:41.380 more of us here having to be up in a few hours to work so we're gonna answer a couple questions

03:07:47.620 here but githia katie sends her regard she said she's got to go to bed guys you gotta get up real

03:07:52.020 early in the morning as do a couple more of us here real quick so so let's go ahead and answer

03:07:58.420 some questions now the the ones that we have you know girther she's very you know being a goddess

03:08:06.820 of fertility being a goddess of fruitfulness being a goddess of the earth you know that

03:08:11.540 practical things that we can do of course would be support our pregnant women help mandy with

03:08:19.540 some baby blankets you know perform prayers and offerings for healthy babies you know this is all

03:08:28.180 things that we can do so the next two that we have are actually very very in depth in depth

03:08:37.220 so i think we might answer some questions and save those two in particular for the next fifth

03:08:44.020 brandy because we spent one whole call on one of them which is gear and we spent two calls on

03:08:51.300 Idun. So we have several hours just on those two alone of our experiences and our philosophical

03:08:59.060 beliefs and our personal relationships on those. So let's go ahead and answer some questions as

03:09:04.680 they come in. Is Yord a hypostasis of Frigga or are they separate beings? They are separate beings.

03:09:12.500 So I am a hard polytheist. Okay. I do understand that there might be where we call a goddess

03:09:21.040 one thing here and one thing here, but they're the same, right? That happens with cultural,

03:09:27.560 you know, as we move forward, you know, as our people migrate and, you know, names might change

03:09:36.020 a little bit. Spellings might change a little bit. You know, Wotan and Oven. But we are hard

03:09:43.640 polytheists. Frig is Frig. Freya is Freya. Sif is Sif. Yarth is Yarth. I do not believe that any,

03:09:55.940 and I know, I don't think I've met somebody in the AFA yet that's going to tell you that they

03:10:01.100 are all just Frig. Hard polytheists. They are who they are. I'm a firm believer in that as well.

03:10:09.240 all right and ladies is there any in particular advice that i'm going to go around the room here

03:10:20.140 and spawn oh spawn says um my son just initiated his man making and some people have asked about

03:10:27.260 what that entails but also what does woman making involve woman making involves a couple things so

03:10:33.740 when you look at presenting a woman for her woman-making, you have two separate phases of

03:10:39.720 that. Okay. And you'll see a lot of the time we want to do something for these young women when

03:10:45.000 they turn 13 and young men, you know, when they, when they turn 13, um, but they're not quite women

03:10:52.800 yet. So there is something that you can do for young women when you feel that they are mature

03:10:59.100 enough to start taking their religion seriously, start being studious, start being pious, and start

03:11:05.420 being grown while still under the protection of the women, folk, and the parents as a child.

03:11:11.600 And what we have is a horn ceremony where their fathers present the daughter. And by the way,

03:11:19.000 this is, we'll talk about that here, but, you know, the father can present the daughter

03:11:23.560 as his pride and his happiness and his joy. And in turn, the women, you know, bring her into the

03:11:31.460 fold and take her from being a small child or a little girl into teaching her how to be a frith

03:11:37.620 weaver. You know, the father presents her as his pride and his joy, but it's the women who are

03:11:43.980 going to be teaching her. She'll always be the apple of daddy's eye, but now there's work to be

03:11:48.660 done. Let the women take it from here. And from there, you know, you could present her a horn

03:11:54.920 or other gifts that a woman could teach her a craft or a skill, whether that's embroidery or

03:12:00.820 crochet or art or music or whatever that is. And teach her skills of womanhood, but also teach her

03:12:08.700 to be a frithweaver. And then when she becomes, you know, old enough to be an accepted adult

03:12:15.440 female that's when we are doing a woman making ceremony where we are asking you you know to

03:12:24.600 present yourself as on your own mind you i believe that you know the the official when you're like

03:12:30.340 18 years old the man making woman making ceremony i think they should present themselves

03:12:35.120 this isn't their parents decision this is them stepping up as an adult you know proclaiming their

03:12:41.260 you know their loyalty that they

03:12:44.200 see in front of the folk

03:12:46.040 and they're

03:12:47.460 furthering up the folk and furthering up

03:12:50.080 religion

03:12:50.440 but that's what I have

03:12:55.960 does anybody else have any

03:12:57.880 ideas on

03:12:59.580 women

03:13:01.640 like the women making what can we do for our young

03:13:04.080 girls

03:13:04.500 what kind of special things can we do for and we don't have to talk about women making um you know

03:13:16.520 one of our last things we might maybe talk about tonight what special things can we do for our

03:13:21.760 girls in particular how could we get them involved go ahead em

03:13:26.220 i think the first thing we do is we start showing them like showing them what this

03:13:33.880 sisterhood is showing them all the joys that we have found within us to true for ourselves

03:13:41.440 showing them that life is in fact really really good here

03:13:45.900 absolutely absolutely lauren what advice would you have for let's say a a younger woman um

03:13:59.580 like a teenage girl that's just starting up into as a true where do you think that we should start

03:14:05.860 someone at that age what do you think the first steps would be i think would be good to um kind

03:14:14.100 of a general believer in like mentors for young women and men um and um you know align them with

03:14:22.940 mentor of the folk that could teach them teach them things that would be useful for adulthood

03:14:30.780 skills knowledge wisdom abilities practices um also you know going um you know making sure that

03:14:42.620 they know about our sacred texts um are knowledgeable with those um and you know

03:14:50.220 come to bloat with us get to know their folk you know get to know the people at their local hof

03:14:59.900 yeah there are a lot of things we can do to support them and help them learn about things

03:15:05.340 as they head towards adulthood yeah

03:15:11.260 so heather as as a mom

03:15:15.820 um and also as a friend you know

03:15:20.220 how do you encourage them while keeping them on this the right path you know we only want them to

03:15:28.400 want them to go to a reasonable level right but how do we keep it from getting too far off the path

03:15:35.160 with with lauren um you know her and dan were practicing our also true before me so um her and

03:15:49.760 Daniel would do bloat together, and, you know, she read all the books that Daniel read, but

03:15:56.360 for Lauren, the hardest thing was, I think the women have a hard time or scared to cross that

03:16:05.580 line with the teenagers, and it really hurt her feelings a lot because she would sit in a corner

03:16:12.220 and the ladies wouldn't talk to her. Well, then, you know, I talked to the ladies, and now she has

03:16:17.720 bffs all over the world but but um i think just for our women not to not to you know

03:16:28.040 like i said before i call this the afa world and that's the other world like within the afa

03:16:35.960 i know myself as a parent and lauren's been in the afa since she was eight or nine i have never

03:16:41.640 worried about a AFM or a AFA member talking to Warren you know without me around um

03:16:51.000 to me that's our trust zone you know so if I see an adult talking to my child I don't

03:16:56.200 like freak out about it so for uh younger ladies or ladies who don't have children

03:17:04.440 and you see a teenage girl sitting there they're already confused because they're a teenage girl

03:17:09.880 you know and their feelings are all over the place so nobody's gonna yell at you if you go

03:17:16.180 over there and just start a conversation you know um one of the members at thorshof took lauren

03:17:22.960 under her wing and lauren loves her to death um and all lauren talks about is how she hopes she

03:17:30.920 don't really move away um but it's like this woman is i guess in her 30s but her and lauren

03:17:40.040 are inseparable like somebody a new will come to the hof and me and lauren won't be there that

03:17:46.200 weekend and she'll be like oh i could think is i wish heather i mean lauren was here because we

03:17:50.820 had a teenage girl come um the teenagers are impressionable so how we treat them is going to

03:18:02.660 be a lot of it like how we take them in how they see us acting towards them and towards others

03:18:09.940 are are going to be what shows them what to do and also true to stay or to leave you know what

03:18:18.360 mean we want to put the best foot forward we don't want to show them a whole bunch of sour things

03:18:23.560 because then they're not going to want to stick around for a long time we want to show them the

03:18:27.400 you know bright and sparkly things and crap them like a little raccoon you know

03:18:35.480 i don't know it's crash bandit don't don't think i'm not

03:18:40.440 so i mean that's just my personal opinion and what i've seen with lauren um

03:18:44.840 and like i said we we started lauren on steve's first book so she read that first and then she

03:18:52.780 read the brune book and then you know she homeschooled so she has to do essays and stuff

03:18:59.420 on certain runes or certain heroes or so we just added into her homeschooling so she probably knows

03:19:07.120 more than i do if you ask her so quiet that you would think she doesn't know anything she knows

03:19:13.960 a lot that's a deep well that little girl for sure so githia sheila i'm gonna give the last

03:19:24.560 words to you for the night because it looks like our questions are cool are pretty quiet and we're

03:19:33.200 going to save gear there in a dune for our next episode because there is so much on those two

03:19:39.260 that we unpacked as a panel.

03:19:41.920 So I'm going to leave the last words to Githya McNallan.

03:19:44.740 And Githya McNallan, please tell us why our women are important

03:19:48.620 and please tell us why our women should come home.

03:19:54.380 Why our women should come home?

03:19:56.500 Oh, my goodness.

03:19:59.840 Oh, you know, I was just listening to the talk about our teens

03:20:04.580 and they are our future.

03:20:07.940 and it is really interesting when you see the dynamics of teens at a place like a hoff whether

03:20:13.680 there's a cluster of them and they tend to go off and how you work with a group like that and bring

03:20:19.740 them where they need to be or an individual where you could just like you were saying lauren you

03:20:24.540 could give her a task you know let's beautify the place you do the flowers or you put out the table

03:20:29.460 cloths or dust the ancestors table there's so many things that we can do with our young people

03:20:35.720 And part of it is to encourage in our children when they're young to be involved, to maintain a connection, to feel that this is family.

03:20:48.540 And then they will stay and be the adults later on in life who are then the parents.

03:20:54.300 You know, the multi-generational thing is what we're really striving for.

03:20:58.320 And I know at Odensok we have some wonderful families and very dedicated parents who have that in mind.

03:21:04.700 that's what their goal is um bringing women to the afa or talisature but particularly to the afa

03:21:13.980 has always been a challenge you know because we hear the viking mythos just draws the men

03:21:20.380 but there's not much for the women and so many men have come from that direction i think we just um

03:21:27.100 We basically represent our faith for who we are.

03:21:33.200 I always say we are our deeds.

03:21:35.620 Out at Odenshof, where we give food out to so many people.

03:21:40.320 It's been 610 different families since we began doing it on our own as our Odenshof Food Pantry.

03:21:47.240 We represent ourselves so well to the community.

03:21:51.280 There's no way that people can find fault with us.

03:21:54.220 maybe they don't like our religion when it comes to our behavior and our values that we project to

03:22:01.660 people in the community they see it they admire it and i think people just it takes a while for them

03:22:09.260 to be willing to kind of um make that next step and i think i would like to see more opportunities

03:22:20.380 to reach out to the public um and i've attempted doing some of that with ladies um using craigslist

03:22:29.580 of all things this past year with i thought a really provocative a little um uh phrasing for it

03:22:39.180 of course i got blocked by craigslist didn't go very far because they figured out somebody

03:22:43.340 complained and that's all it took to get banned from it but we have so much for our ladies we

03:22:49.580 have wonderful sisterhood and you call talk a lot about sisterhood in the afa and for people who

03:22:57.500 don't have sisters who don't have close friends i think i've never had many women close friend as

03:23:03.340 women women as close friends and i have that here i have people i know i can trust i i they can reach

03:23:12.780 out to me it's just becomes the most wonderful bonding place and i don't understand when people

03:23:20.620 ever come this way and then leave and not many do it's a problem of just trying to acquaint them

03:23:27.820 with who we are what we're about and that this is the natural way of life you know we talk about

03:23:34.300 the natural order in a way also true is a natural order for a spiritual being for those of european

03:23:41.100 descent this answers it it gives you everything you need and and you know we don't have sin

03:23:48.380 we just move on we make changes we improve ourselves we exemplify that to our children

03:23:54.460 the people who are around us they don't see us defeated we pick up we keep moving forward

03:23:59.660 we make mistakes we acknowledge it we move forward and our values are so firm and so

03:24:05.820 noble i mean so many words that we use just resonate so strongly and nobility of the men

03:24:12.540 and the women i think over time we will have more women um it's again our problem is just

03:24:19.660 not having exposure and people don't know so i've got a couple ideas on that too but um

03:24:28.220 yeah obviously if anybody has tips on how to reach out to women better we all

03:24:33.580 are willing to listen and act on that because I've spent my life doing this this has been the

03:24:42.840 best part of my life the bulk of my life has been doing this pretty close to half my life

03:24:49.060 and I would not ever walk away from it I'm going to be doing it to the day I die it's just this

03:24:56.100 is my life's work I was a teacher for a long time this is my life's work and it's

03:25:01.960 it is work but it's also filled with joy and and uh benefits to all who interact with us

03:25:10.740 so i don't need to say much more as you know i can go on and on but i just feel it's such an

03:25:16.320 honor having these wonderful women with us um you know it's taken a while to even get our

03:25:22.320 forgiveness um so many of us and it's going to continue to grow and encourage so maybe you

03:25:31.560 go through what it takes to actually become part of the go thar program just so people have an idea

03:25:39.560 what their first step is going to be to make that happen so our go thar program for those who are

03:25:47.880 ever interested in what that entails uh you first must be an oath folk builder of the austro folk

03:25:54.120 assembly you then have to go through the academic program and you have to mentor with an ordained

03:26:02.200 go the orgythea um there are specific ones that we have mentor because they have their hands in

03:26:09.400 literally everything that the church does you need to learn how to run events you need to learn how

03:26:14.920 to run hops you need to learn how to manage and lead people you need to learn how to counsel

03:26:20.440 and do so with empathy you need to learn the spiritual might and lore of our church that you

03:26:26.120 can properly educate and lead our people there's so many things that go into that and it all starts

03:26:32.520 with one teenager in south carolina who's a very very deep well and already knows many of these

03:26:40.600 things we always joke she wanted to be one she's going to be sitting here where me and heather are

03:26:45.480 she's gonna be bossing this around she kind of bosses around already heather told me to tell

03:26:51.640 you to stop saying that you make her nervous she makes me nervous

03:27:02.600 well all right guys it has been a wonderful episode again i think the next time we get

03:27:07.240 together we are going to talk about gear there and we are going to talk about a dune and i'm

03:27:11.640 pretty sure we could fill about five hours with that right so we do appreciate everybody being

03:27:20.200 here so while we were here um producer nick do we have an update we do so since we have

03:27:27.960 been alive we are now up to nine thousand two hundred and fifteen dollars um going towards

03:27:36.600 your top it looks like we cheat we raised two hundred dollars just during the show so you

03:27:45.160 phrase off phrase off fund yes sir sorry it's late i'm tired but yeah we've we raised two

03:27:52.360 hundred dollars tonight just for phrase off you guys that's amazing i mean getting these

03:27:57.960 getting this these hops are important and it's this and it's a it's a form of worship and we

03:28:03.880 We can't do that without your generosity and without your hard works.

03:28:06.880 We appreciate each and every one of you every single time you donate.

03:28:10.120 So thank you very much.

03:28:11.360 It's you guys that are making this happen and making the temple to Freya reality.

03:28:17.600 So with that, we are going to go ahead and close the show.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - July 31, 2025

7⧸30⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 160 - A Fifth of Brandy： Relationships with the Ásynjur

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