Asatru Folk Assembly - 7⧸31⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 108 - Lokasenna, Part 1

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00:03:00.000 hello and welcome to another exciting edition of victory never sleeps

00:03:20.240 tonight witness fawn and i will be going over uh the locasena

00:03:26.320 we're using once again the bellows translation nick's got a link up we're going to try to remember

00:03:33.680 to put it up early so you guys can all get to it and follow along if you'd like to as always

00:03:39.200 please um use whatever translation you'd like to follow along and compare and contrast and

00:03:47.040 i don't know find points of interest in as always ask whatever questions you guys would like

00:03:53.800 If it's relevant to what we're talking about at the moment or to the text, we'll try to answer them, you know, as close to immediately as possible.

00:04:03.060 If not, we may put them off till we're done with the text for the night.

00:04:07.920 But, yeah, we'll absolutely answer those.

00:04:11.560 And we appreciate you guys' questions.

00:04:14.640 There was two questions, I think, that I did not answer last week, not on purpose.

00:04:22.000 If Nick remembers those and has those, I will go ahead and answer them.

00:04:28.040 But if he doesn't, that's on me.

00:04:36.720 Other stuff for the top of the program, we've got Frey Faxi at Baldershof coming up in just a couple of weeks.

00:04:43.180 I'm looking forward to it.

00:04:44.260 This will be the first time that my wife and my daughter are going to be able to experience Baldershof, so I'm excited about it.

00:04:51.520 uh aubrey is excited about it too though i don't i don't know if she knows why she's excited about

00:04:57.500 it but she's she's very excited about it um i'm trying to think of what her uh what her cute

00:05:07.860 rendition of the name of the hof is but yeah she's she's working on it but she is excited to

00:05:13.400 go see it um which is neat she and it was funny i overheard her at the park telling her friends

00:05:20.680 that she goes to Odin's off and that she decided to go see see Baldur's off so that's awesome

00:05:27.360 um yeah that's what we got up top here um also just as the show started or I guess technically

00:05:38.400 even before the show started um our example of generosity uh Ronald Blake donated a hundred

00:05:49.480 dollars to our current folk service campaign to try to help out a member who's trying to

00:05:55.320 restart his life he's been down on his luck and he's got an opportunity he wants to capitalize

00:05:59.640 on so we're all trying to support him in that and ronald started that off strong so we appreciate

00:06:05.400 that quite a bit he also bought us a coffee so thank you for that um michael in arizona donated

00:06:12.040 25 to help that member that i mentioned for our folk services campaign and donated ten dollars to

00:06:18.440 the academy we appreciate that i should mention i'm waiting on uh some materials to plug it for

00:06:25.160 this coming school year but so far we have got i believe 31 students signed up uh this is the

00:06:35.800 third year of the australia academy and we have curriculum up through sixth grade so we're

00:06:41.320 enrolling students k through six if you're not familiar uh the australia academy is our

00:06:47.400 homeschooling program um as i said this is going to be start of school year number three with it

00:06:55.720 and we've learned a ton going through it it's a great program we've got some really devoted people

00:07:01.560 uh putting that together headed up by go through rob stamm and uh

00:07:09.160 yeah it's something that we're extremely excited about uh it's become increasingly important to try

00:07:15.640 to get our children as best as we can out of um dangerous and mentally toxic environments

00:07:27.560 and morally toxic environments at many public schools and to get them in

00:07:35.720 a homeschooling environment in a place where our values and our beliefs can be reinforced

00:07:40.440 and taught in a healthy way and some of the other unhealthy things can be avoided one of

00:07:46.920 the best things about it that's really i'm personally excited about especially as my

00:07:51.640 daughter gets closer and closer to enrolling is we hold uh parents hands through that process

00:07:59.160 we're very committed to making sure that you know parents are comfortable and supported to

00:08:05.080 to meet all of the standards

00:08:06.560 for whatever state that they're in,

00:08:09.120 that this is a completely legitimate thing.

00:08:11.460 They can take confidence

00:08:12.740 that they have some experienced people there

00:08:14.600 to help them through the process,

00:08:16.120 through any hurdles or any questions they might have.

00:08:19.880 So it's really important, very proud of it,

00:08:22.280 and taking enrollment.

00:08:25.540 We're always taking enrollment,

00:08:27.360 but now is a good time to get set up

00:08:29.840 for the coming school year.

00:08:31.580 uh also john rock folk builder john rock in indiana donated 180 to the afa we appreciate that john

00:08:42.780 thank you okay cool so to start off uh questions from last week that i did not get to

00:08:59.260 or it skipped over rather. In the Volsunga saga, Sigrid slays Fafnir, roasts and eats

00:09:08.960 his heart. Sigrid then learns to understand the language of birds. What are the best ways

00:09:15.720 to understand Sigrid's new powers? I'm wondering what your thoughts on this are, Svon. Also,

00:09:25.160 i really like your tie today no thank you sir um no i one of the things i think

00:09:36.360 narratively that part is the time in which they they they realize but they don't ever really

00:09:43.720 expound on it anymore about the the the superpowers that sigurd gains i mean other than

00:09:51.000 you know the uh the equivalency of a of an achillean like power where he's invulnerable

00:09:59.400 um throughout his entire body except in the center of his back and then there's also the

00:10:05.640 understanding of the of the the birds and they don't really expound on that anymore after and

00:10:13.080 so what i think this is is a plot device to show that the consumption of the dragon's heart is doing

00:10:20.440 that. But if we're talking about it from a, like a esoteric or metaphysical point, I mean, clearly

00:10:29.100 the consumption of, of the dragon's heart, the eating the, the source of that power from a worm

00:10:36.960 of such immense, you know, size and, and age. And I mean, obviously, you know, the, the mythos

00:10:46.060 around dragons um you know consuming the heart immediately allows him to interpret the the words

00:10:54.940 of of the birds and that's what and it it i think it means really that worms are

00:11:05.100 gatekeepers of knowledge they're also the gatekeepers of treasure they're the gatekeepers

00:11:09.500 of many many things that's why the hoarding aspect is is kept with dragons but to be specific with

00:11:17.820 the meaning of him understanding the birds i think that plot device is more important because he

00:11:24.540 hears the bird saying you know that his his uh campmate is about to kill him uh rayon the smith

00:11:34.060 um who is also you know unbeknownst to sigurd is the brother of fafnir and of that same treacherous

00:11:41.100 kind of group um who captured the gods and and did all kinds of things he hears this

00:11:48.140 and so from the birds and he stands around and he lobs off rayon's head um so i mean there's

00:11:55.420 that clear plot device but i think the audience would understand the idea that consuming a dragon's

00:12:02.940 heart or or being bathed in its blood or or just simply defeating um a dragon are all parts of of

00:12:12.220 attainment of something that's near impossible to attain it's um it's the threshold and uh

00:12:19.180 oftentimes the serpent was seen as that symbol um to to whether it's you know runic knowledge as in

00:12:26.140 with like lord othen turning into a snake yes but a worm nonetheless to gain um the meat of poetry

00:12:34.380 there's always this kind of threshold involved with the worms and so specifically being able

00:12:43.580 to understand the words or the the songs of birds i think was more of a plot device

00:12:50.220 but we see an a reoccurring point and there's it's even mentioned as well you know to learn

00:12:57.740 the runes is to be able to understand the birds and calm the ocean and and things oh did i beat

00:13:03.740 you too are you gonna say ah yeah i was i was i i i really think that it's important

00:13:11.740 that the we have to think about how the presenter of the story and the audience received that

00:13:20.220 information and what point of it was to be established and that was clearly all of the idea

00:13:27.940 that there was this esoteric knowledge these thresholds these great things that had to be

00:13:33.720 overcome and if you could overcome them with great heroism and great determination you would be

00:13:40.400 bestowed with these, you know, great abilities, if you will. But specifics, I don't know. I've

00:13:49.860 often thought about that a lot. But remember, as soon as he hears the birds singing and understands

00:13:55.020 their speech, Rayan is creeping up behind him with a dagger. And they're like, oh, that poor

00:14:00.620 boy, he's about to get killed by his campmate. And then he turns around and cuts his head off. 0.99

00:14:06.180 so 0.84

00:14:09.660 I think that when we struggle for exactitude of it

00:14:17.080 some things are kind of hard to pin down over the centuries

00:14:23.020 but the bigger meaning of it I think is is reinforced as that where you see um the thing

00:14:31.860 that i pointed at spawn about that he was getting on or at least the point of reference that i was

00:14:36.560 referring to is in the lay of rig um and the lay of rig is a progression of things

00:14:44.340 and it's an evolution of our folk over time through generations from

00:14:53.060 Thrall to all the way up to Jarl, and then the offspring thereof being, you know, the young king.

00:15:04.800 um the young king at the point where

00:15:10.800 our folk and this family and this this progeny has

00:15:16.720 passed through the development of self to where they are the pinnacle of nobility

00:15:24.180 then they're bestowed the secrets of the runes then their their last step of

00:15:30.740 personal evolution of self-actualization is the learning of magic and amongst those things it

00:15:40.300 talks about you know learning runes stilling fires calming waves and understanding the chatter of

00:15:47.280 birds and it's such a specific point for it to be mentioned there that's a thing one of the things

00:15:55.360 that i've mentioned as kind of the core to magical practice is being able to

00:16:09.600 it's a funny analogy but in a way being able to see the matrix being able to understand

00:16:16.080 And the tapestry that's being woven of earth and being able to work within that to see and pick up on the currents and the subtle things in nature around yourself and to align yourself with it or to be aware of things to avoid them.

00:16:37.740 just like you know the birds are like hey heads up you're about to get shanked

00:16:43.820 and then they saw that coming that's um part of the mystery of the rhido rune that we

00:16:53.900 use as the the symbol of our priesthood of gothar within the afa is that right action at the right

00:17:02.700 time and being in the flow of of orlog and of earth of the understanding of the laying out of

00:17:10.700 fate and the right ordering of action when you do that magically you're able to draw synchronicities

00:17:18.460 to you to work within them it's subtle influences over these things it's not you know

00:17:24.300 i think in our heads when we are disconnected and we're you know fans of of sword and sorcery and

00:17:35.040 stuff you think you cast these big spells and you shoot a fireball out of your hands and these crazy

00:17:41.920 things i think that's much less the case i think it's a subtle ability to manipulate the world

00:17:50.160 around you and i think we read in our ancestors time of great occasions to where it was very very

00:17:55.600 obvious but we see and experience it quite a bit during bloat i think and the better we get at it

00:18:04.000 the more often we see those experiences we recognize things that are out of the norm and so

00:18:12.800 often one of the biggest indicators that everyone notices is you know special stuff that birds do

00:18:25.600 be it coming and and perching for a specific part of a ritual and then leaving

00:18:32.560 kinds of birds that you don't usually see coming them doing almost a call and response

00:18:40.720 squawking at a certain time them flying overhead in an auspicious time it's something that people

00:18:47.440 notice a lot i understand it may sound you know birds do crazy things whatever but when you do

00:18:54.160 enough of them you can kind of tell the difference of when it's at a auspicious time or when it's

00:19:02.720 just birds doing bird stuff i always remember um one ritual we were doing in my house in palmer

00:19:13.280 alaska anybody who knows palmer it's it's inland a little ways it's not really

00:19:21.920 on it's kind of far away from the bodies of water and it's not really where you see a lot of eagles

00:19:28.000 and it was really cool this eagle came and perched in our our ritual tree we had a special

00:19:34.580 tree that was kind of where we would leave our offerings and such and it was right on the edge

00:19:39.760 of our our vey and eagle came perched in the tree like came in when we were inviting in for the

00:19:50.520 ritual observed the ritual with us and then left when the ritual was done in a really

00:19:58.960 it's the only time that ever happened on that property all the time that i lived there and it

00:20:04.780 was really interesting so you pick up on that with birds birds are really special that way and i have

00:20:09.820 to believe our ancestors interacted with them in a similar way so i think it's easy to conceive of

00:20:16.320 like, you know, in the story writ large, these birds, you know, fluidly having a conversation

00:20:24.500 in, you know, in our heads in English with this guy, you know, at the time, I don't know,

00:20:30.540 in Gothic or whatever at that point, but realistically, being able to recognize bird

00:20:39.220 sign, being able to recognize things in nature and put meaning to them and understand things

00:20:46.160 coming by subtle things that heightened level of awareness has always been a hallmark of an adept

00:20:54.960 at the finer art of living well be it an initiate in special religious arts in magic or just a

00:21:06.400 highly advanced individual is being able to pick up on these things being able to

00:21:11.200 in a lot of ways nobility is the ability to live

00:21:16.340 the art of being able to live life well to do the things that you do with with excellence

00:21:24.900 and i think that you see that demonstrated when he's on the other side of victory over this

00:21:30.700 you know most most immense of enemies overcoming that he ascends and becomes more than he is

00:21:37.940 He levels up, and part of his leveling up is this greater understanding.

00:21:45.160 But, no, I'm really glad that Svon picked up on that as well.

00:21:50.000 That was something that immediately stood out to me.

00:21:52.760 Well, and I just saw something in the comments.

00:21:55.780 W. Ulf just brought up a great point, and it really makes me want to emphasize something.

00:22:01.960 uh he talked about the comparison between finn mccool and the salmon of knowledge and his being

00:22:09.920 able to speak to the salmon and i think that this is a that's actually a great point for a larger

00:22:16.540 um point and that is you see these in arian mythos all the time the the the meta narratives if you

00:22:28.460 will, are, you know, there's things that I think that when a lot of people might just

00:22:37.240 look at everything strictly through a Nordic lens, and I think that the Ausatru Folk Assembly

00:22:42.700 does a very, very, like, finite job of attempting to also see the pattern beyond simply the

00:22:51.920 Nordic. And when we look at these, um, you know, kind of check marks that are going through from

00:23:00.120 the branches of our, of our cousins, you know, when we, we see the, um, the dismemberment of

00:23:06.100 Lord Tyr against the chaos wolf, and we see that commonality with, uh, King Nuada and the silver

00:23:13.860 arm um there is these huge like easy connecting points and i think that brings it up is that one

00:23:22.700 of the things our aryan ancestors saw as a true sign of like the the esoteric becoming exoteric

00:23:32.140 was the ability to suddenly you know communicate with uh things that you know we know are

00:23:39.820 communicating with each other but we don't understand them so i i thought that was a

00:23:45.720 really cool point as well and i totally didn't even register my brain until he said it absolutely

00:23:52.720 um all right well i think that's a oh i

00:23:59.020 thank you so much monk uh monk just donated uh one thousand five hundred dollars

00:24:11.020 to the vns fund uh for odenshoff thank you for a beautiful service for his wife um

00:24:19.820 yeah i was very it was very those of you that may not know i'm supposed to go out to uh

00:24:27.020 sigerheim and i got stuck on that horrible travel day where all the airlines went into chaos because

00:24:34.860 their uh computer equipment stuff went down as far as scheduling and you know in a way it was

00:24:41.020 very unfortunate because i couldn't go to sigerheim for our event there but it also what it did allow

00:24:46.060 for was i was able to go to sigerheim at odin's hof where we did the service for monk's wife and

00:24:51.900 i was able to be there for that i was very honored to be able to be there i was very honored to get

00:24:56.860 a chance to uh to know her and and get to see her a few times before she passed and i appreciate

00:25:04.620 getting that opportunity and thank you very much mom for your generous donation it's uh it's much

00:25:10.140 appreciated with that um so we have a couple of more questions to hit and then we'll get to the

00:25:21.900 text um last one first just because it's simple and kind of ridiculous uh from algies kinez

00:25:33.820 hi i saw a message about rap snacks does the afa listen to rap ah i knew this was this is

00:25:40.780 going to come back on us not officially i we're down the road in thorshof and we made a stop at

00:25:48.140 at a gas station for some snacks this is the first time i'd ever seen these wrap snacks what is this

00:25:53.660 it's because it's the south it looked completely ridiculous there's these varieties of chips with

00:25:59.820 like wrappers like with their chips and so i got yeah so i got some because it was going to be an

00:26:08.620 ironic joke but the joke was on me because they're the most delicious chips i ever ate in my life and

00:26:13.900 And I was excited about it because I went back to the Hoff.

00:26:18.000 I'm like, you know, it's an inside joke amongst leadership there.

00:26:22.120 Then I ate them and I'm like, because they're like the best.

00:26:25.440 They really are some of the best chips I've ever had.

00:26:27.920 Is that another sponsor plug?

00:26:30.260 It's an inside joke.

00:26:32.260 The good, the fine folks at Wrap Snacks do not sponsor the Ask True Folk Assembly.

00:26:38.940 We got Gorilla Snot and now we've got Wrap Snacks.

00:26:42.260 yeah it was very obviously an inside joke but they are delicious chips i wish they weren't but they

00:26:48.100 are um to a more meaty question though from last week and i know we talked about it a little bit

00:26:55.700 but i think we can narrow down on it a little bit more because this is this is something a

00:27:00.900 lot of people ask and we've run into a lot and it's an interesting question um and let's take

00:27:08.820 explain this first uh spawn so do you think it is important to us to

00:27:17.620 no that's not the one i was looking at we will get that get to that one it was earlier up here

00:27:21.460 that i was looking at the one okay this is an existential question i've been struggling with

00:27:28.020 did our gods create the earth or did they just create us in my mind if they created the earth

00:27:34.820 itself, the gods become universal. But if they just created the folk, then that reinforces a

00:27:41.880 folkish worldview in my mind. It's said in the Eddas that they created Midgard, so I would 0.96

00:27:47.940 believe Midgard to be our folk consciousness here on earth. I could be completely off on this,

00:27:53.640 and I'm probably overthinking it, so I come to you for some Alshary Gothic wisdom.

00:27:59.740 um did yeah take a stab at this first well i thought that was asked last week i thought we

00:28:08.300 got so that's right okay so i i kind of intentionally skipped this one last week

00:28:13.500 because we covered it but i don't think we covered it as fully as we could have nick pointed out

00:28:20.700 that i skipped it and i was like yeah we already answered like almost the same question but the

00:28:25.740 fact that he pointed it out meant that you know maybe some people didn't see it that way or we

00:28:30.220 didn't take a deep enough dive into it so i wanted to revisit it a little bit with just us

00:28:35.740 yeah i mean i'll i'm still going to reiterate the same point i had last time with the similar

00:28:41.100 question and uh wolf throne that's it's beautiful that i mean because you're talking about the

00:28:46.700 consciousness of the folk um and that is just as viable i wouldn't say that we're looking for the

00:28:53.980 singularity of an answer but instead the uh synchronization of multiple answers that's how

00:29:00.700 i think mythos works um it's like a rope so you know you could say is balder alive

00:29:08.540 is balder dead uh yes uh and is you know there's the the correlation of um interaction with the

00:29:20.620 the divine often leads us to have a multiplicity of ideas that are connected to that's one big

00:29:26.900 difference between us and say like a semitic religion that's that's attempting to peel away

00:29:32.720 um to the singular truth so much so that it becomes abstract um instead ours becomes the

00:29:40.860 like our gods works in multiplicity um but you know there's that which is correct

00:29:49.080 aligns with the other things that which is not is kind of sticking out like a sore thumb and

00:29:54.080 that's usually your good sign that that correlation might not be cohesive with everything else um

00:30:01.500 and it's a great way to discern people who are kind of telling things about the gods or so on

00:30:08.300 so forth that that's like nonsense a perfect example of that being of course like loki is a

00:30:13.980 a great example with people who are kind of computer you know uh goobers who just like oh

00:30:22.220 i worship loki and all that and you can go through a list of things that would show that this is just

00:30:28.220 kind of not connected to the divinity of the gods and they just deny it so in this case

00:30:36.460 what you're talking about i don't think um is against the overall understanding of this but

00:30:44.140 instead is congruent with it so that's what i mean by um i don't i don't think you're wrong um

00:30:53.100 however one of the points that i like to emphasize to to my children uh to the folk

00:30:59.820 at thorshof is that there is the inner guard and the outer guard and our ancestors understanding

00:31:09.500 of things was often completely built within the inner guard and the the idea that because the the

00:31:22.220 gods created the earth there is a universal aspect i don't i believe that the gods created midgard

00:31:29.820 But I don't know of or reason why or demand reason from the gods as to why there are other people in other parts of the world or what have you.

00:31:41.880 Or perhaps that there are other divine powers of some sense, whether they're grossly, you know, blown, you know, out of proportion because of the framework and structuring of the religion that touts that.

00:31:59.820 um or whether you know however they may be i could speculate but at the end of the day it

00:32:05.000 doesn't really matter the only thing that matters is that which is in the inner guard i know that

00:32:10.420 the gods created midgard that i live upon and my people live upon and everyone outside of that is

00:32:17.340 outer guard and they're either antithetical against it or they're neutral and at that point

00:32:24.320 it it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if like uh if somebody was to ask me like do you believe

00:32:29.920 that other people that aren't folk uh do their souls go to their ancestors it's like well i don't

00:32:36.080 know and i it doesn't i wasn't told it's i know what happens by from my ancestors and from the

00:32:44.240 gods to my people and that's kind of the end of the story um and that's all it really needs to be

00:32:51.840 because the well nourishes my people and i think that there's another great reason for doing this

00:33:00.640 not only is there just the emphasis of um folk for or folk forward and tribalism that

00:33:09.040 is kind of against universalism uh you know universalism eventually blows up into eroding

00:33:15.920 nations and eroding ethnicities and cultures and, um, all of that. Um, we, we attempt to only

00:33:28.420 simply understand for ourselves. We don't step on other people's toes and nor do we speculate.

00:33:36.520 And I think that's another thing that a lot of people are trying to fish for. They want to see

00:33:41.540 if we like, oh no, like the Mormons, you know, all, all black people are Canaanites. Like they 1.00

00:33:48.360 went, they went, you know, trying to understand races and all of this. It doesn't matter for us. 0.97

00:33:56.440 I know where our folk come from. I know where our, our inner guard is, and I can fully stretch

00:34:02.300 out in there and be confident in that and not really need to know certain reasons. And I don't

00:34:10.040 think it's um my place to try to you know expound on that extract that knowledge from the gods or 0.55

00:34:19.560 what have you um or you know you don't see that happening like the mormon church is clearly an

00:34:24.440 extension of protestantism and they were attempting to do things they were forcing their god yahweh

00:34:31.100 to make reasons to explain things you know why why didn't jesus come to the native americs oh

00:34:38.540 what he did. And, you know, it just, it gets, it gets wild. No focus on the inward and everything

00:34:44.560 outside of us is so, it has no gravity other than relations and immediacy, um, working together,

00:34:55.100 being good neighbors, um, exemplifying the traits that I think my people have to other people who

00:35:02.400 are not my people is important, but I don't need to explain where they come from. Uh, if there's

00:35:08.000 other gods or or what have you we already already know that the aryan people um of many different

00:35:15.840 branches that people have long scratched their heads and said you know how can these these gods

00:35:20.800 are all different no they're actually quite very they're all similar and so we have this vast

00:35:27.680 religious spectrum um from the central russian and caucus mountains going down into india and

00:35:34.400 westward into europe that have more relations than than uh people understand so i think that

00:35:43.200 understanding our inner guard does sort of extend to the secondary inner guard like the arian folk

00:35:51.040 but outside of that and that's a lot of folks it's a lot of people um i don't seek any more

00:35:59.200 than that some people would accuse me of willful ignorance but the idea again is if you search too

00:36:06.000 far outside of your realm outside of that which the the order in which you see you have you have

00:36:14.320 the tendency to be tainted by that and i think one of the greatest taints of that is um universal

00:36:21.920 religions are inevitably lead to abstractism and the idea that the divine is irrelevant it goes

00:36:30.800 into like uh and i don't mean nihilism like strictly from nietzsche but just modern use of

00:36:38.640 the word nihilism and um atheism and all that stuff because they leave their ordered foundation

00:36:46.160 yeah so um i think it was a really well well done and well thought out question

00:36:56.180 and i think a lot of people

00:36:59.720 wonder that or contemplate that and i think it's very natural

00:37:07.280 because

00:37:09.600 it's because the environment that we are raised in for the majority of human history

00:37:18.780 religion has been inherently folkish and not universal but for recent history it's been very

00:37:30.560 much dominated especially in the west by different by the big three abrahamic religions

00:37:39.280 claimed the universality and then you get um in some of the eastern religions

00:37:45.040 that claim to be universal but sort of and there's like

00:37:52.560 creative force prime mover god that doesn't really care about anything that just does that

00:38:00.560 And then different avatars of that, that I think have personal relationships.

00:38:06.320 And depending on what school of thought you're in there, there's a lot of different stuff.

00:38:13.220 Our faith is based on relationship.

00:38:18.120 We are also true because we share a relationship with our gods.

00:38:24.280 They created us.

00:38:26.120 They have stood by us.

00:38:27.800 we have benefited from our gifting relationship with them and our ancient

00:38:34.700 kinship with them they are our gods that's why we're with them we're not with them objectively

00:38:43.680 because they created this that or the other other than that they created us

00:38:49.000 logic will always and I don't fault any ask these questions plumb plumb the depths of this if that's

00:38:59.820 what you want to do I don't think it's wrong but do that while you're doing other fruitful things

00:39:04.480 in the meantime it's one of those it's interesting to speculate but you'll always come to some

00:39:09.700 unknown point you know even with you know with anything well what came before that

00:39:16.620 Well, what was there before the gap?

00:39:18.960 Well, then who created that?

00:39:20.680 Well, then who created this thing?

00:39:22.140 Well, you could do that indefinitely because there's some things that in our existence we just cannot wrap our head around when you delve into the most basic level of our reality.

00:39:36.780 But what our myths tell us is that our gods created us and they created the world in which we live.

00:39:43.320 if you want to go literally that they created the like mountains and trees and structure of the earth

00:39:53.960 i'm not saying that they didn't do that or have part in that creation but its relevance to me

00:40:01.860 matters very little they created me and my ancestors and they shaped our understanding

00:40:10.500 of self and our understanding of the world in which we live and operate in.

00:40:15.880 And I think, you know, eventually, you know, as we expand into space and things, we get

00:40:23.400 into areas that our Lord doesn't talk about because it had no relevance to the people

00:40:27.680 that wrote down our Lord.

00:40:32.340 But none of that changes the fundamentals that our gods created our consciousness, our

00:40:38.740 humanness, our Aryanness, and gave us the context to develop as people and to understand the world

00:40:52.240 around us. And that's kind of what we need to know. It's not faulting wanting to know more

00:41:01.080 than that or deeper than that but claims beyond that get to these strange spots we wouldn't one

00:41:12.880 of the things that is a fundamental belief the astro folk assembly is that every race

00:41:22.840 of people has the right to define themselves and their existence and their relationship

00:41:35.120 to their gods. That doesn't mean that we have to buy into it or not. It's not up to

00:41:43.460 me to legitimize or delegitimize the religions of other groups of people. That's not, it's

00:41:50.280 not my job and it's overstepping i only have a place of doing that when those butt up against

00:41:58.180 ours in a negative way if your god says that our gods are demons and need to be annihilated because

00:42:03.980 they're the only real god then yeah i will speak in opposition to that of course but that's not

00:42:11.960 the case with other indigenous faiths um and again that's not like validating them or saying

00:42:20.100 that their their religion is right it's also not saying it's wrong it's saying it's none of my

00:42:24.380 business until it conflicts with ours um but it's a basic level of respect for other people that you

00:42:32.320 don't see with um with universal religion it would be really offensive

00:42:40.140 and wrong to just force you know to force black people to worship our white people gods that's 0.91

00:42:53.100 odd and unnatural um or to you know not worship the gods of their ancestors we wouldn't want them

00:42:59.900 to do that we want them to worship the gods of their ancestors or be free to do that if that's

00:43:04.220 what their people decide they ought to do um but yeah your your way of breaking it down i think is

00:43:12.540 very much along my understanding whatever relationship they had to the physical creation of

00:43:20.620 the earth's geology is neither here nor there to me they created how we perceive the earth's

00:43:28.780 geology they created our perception and understanding of our world and our place in it

00:43:36.140 and that's the most fundamental to me they set us on our course in that way

00:43:41.100 in that creative fashion um sure please i didn't want to bring up a point um you know judaism and

00:43:51.100 by judaism i also mean christianity christianity is a subsect of judaism that greatly and vastly

00:43:58.220 changed once it was in europe but um you know this was kind of done in biblical sense like when

00:44:05.900 you read the tanakh or the old testament um they talk about the the defeating of their enemies is

00:44:13.660 willed by god um or you know again when the romans defeated them at gedon which is where we get the

00:44:22.300 word arm armageddon the armageddon of um of them you know the the the nature of the relationship

00:44:32.380 to the divine is a very interesting thing to look at when you're outside of it

00:44:37.340 asking themselves how did we get defeated by the the romans and of course generally it was

00:44:46.620 seen and this is just because of my experience of reading the tanakh and reading the new testament

00:44:51.740 is that generally it was punishment it was a punishment that they experienced um and that

00:44:56.700 that just shows their relationship i'm not even speaking terribly negatively or positively about

00:45:03.900 it it's just that was the case another point that i like to bring up is that this was substantiated

00:45:10.300 even in the new testament with the rabbi yeshua the the latin named jesus um you know when he

00:45:19.340 was talking to a sarmatian woman or sarmatian woman and she says you know i need you to get

00:45:24.780 these shadim and they didn't have a word for shadim so they took the the greco word uh demon

00:45:32.300 but you know she says i have this shadim in my daughter and um can you get it out and he says

00:45:39.100 no i'm only here to shepherd the um the sons and daughters i'm not sure if he says daughters

00:45:45.100 but are the children of israel and he's he's talking specifically about the judahites

00:45:50.460 um or the yahudi and um you know she begs him and then he says you know okay well occasionally

00:45:58.620 um even masters will throw scraps to their dogs and then he helps her this is all in the bible

00:46:05.020 and it's very very interesting because it shows that dynamic of um like folkishness or you know

00:46:14.940 inner guard versus outer guard mindset was very common even once amongst the the uh which are now

00:46:22.140 branded as universal religions it wasn't until saul of tarsus and simon who you know as peter

00:46:30.540 or saint peter um they both uh swore that they saw a the ghost of the rabbi and he said no no

00:46:39.740 no now the rules have changed we're going to go ahead and start converting other people and that's

00:46:44.700 because they were exiled into into greece and into the you know deeper into the heart of the empire

00:46:49.900 so they weren't having a lot of luck converting their own people um so a lot of these universal

00:46:58.060 religions also started out so if you were to look at it as like this progression one of the big

00:47:04.220 points that we're doing is we are not going forward in that that progression um we are

00:47:11.340 folkish and that's it there's no like oh well you know the the god sent us these discs and uh they

00:47:21.420 told us in utah that jesus was here with the native americans it gets wild it gets really

00:47:27.260 really wild and um it opens up avenues i think that's not good but you said about the consciousness

00:47:35.420 one of the things i your your um you wrote a sentence you said perhaps my endless search of

00:47:40.460 the truth is getting in my own way and i would i would beckon you to think about it like this

00:47:46.860 your search of the truth is good but you must be discerning between the information you have

00:47:51.820 and you must understand that there actually is no singularity of truth but that there is mythic

00:47:57.980 truth that is perennial and it is able to synthesize well with an understanding that's

00:48:07.820 what i meant by that rope that understanding that the gods do have the ability to be dead and alive

00:48:17.100 at the same time they're part of our consciousness as much as they are part of the world there's many

00:48:22.460 different aspects of those things and you must be discerning um about which ones kind of lead

00:48:28.780 you towards the correct path of wisdom um versus um you know denying all of it and uh and then

00:48:37.420 trying to only whittle down to one singular truth it's like a guitar without with only one string

00:48:45.100 and that's i i think this is worth reiterating we will get to the text tonight but whatever

00:48:50.860 we'll do this as much as we need to and over as many shows we need to i think it's all important

00:48:55.020 stuff um yeah don't don't misunderstand so first don't let perfect be the enemy of good

00:49:06.860 my uncle there was a generation of people and it became really i mean to a degree this is a

00:49:15.660 long-standing trope but specifically i don't know in the 60s and 70s with the hippies and such

00:49:25.020 there's this exaltation of ignorance like your virtue signal at the time was

00:49:32.160 admitting how much you don't know like ah well I'm truly wise because I know that I understand nothing

00:49:40.000 and it's ridiculous on the face of it um what I was going to say about my uncle so he was um he

00:49:52.940 into that culture he was born in 1950 so you know he grew up using his his teen years in the

00:50:00.460 in the 60s and in his young adulthood into into the early 70s and and he did that he was you know

00:50:07.820 he put a lot of value in being a seeker and always you know always never never being pinned down and

00:50:14.540 never really choosing something always keeping his minds always open so he was never settled on

00:50:20.620 anything and it was really sad he woke up one day um in his late 40s one of his friends

00:50:32.140 had passed away and he started thinking about his life and he

00:50:38.140 he didn't ever really settle down never got married he never picked a faith and embraced

00:50:44.780 it and made it a part of his life though he was a very spiritual person it was never

00:50:48.300 satisfying to him because he never could put a name to it he just kind of knew there was something

00:50:56.100 so he was always searching and he was waiting because one of these days he was gonna he was

00:51:00.200 gonna have that wisdom and one of these days he was gonna figure out what it was all about

00:51:05.040 and he had a realization like wow I'm almost 50 years old and I've got nothing to show for it

00:51:11.400 because I've spent all my time contemplating and none of my time doing and building a life

00:51:17.360 and he ended up drinking himself to death

00:51:19.700 slowly over the course of a few years.

00:51:23.360 Very, very sad and unhappy with his life.

00:51:26.500 And I watched that whole process when I was,

00:51:29.840 you know, last few years of high school,

00:51:32.720 first couple of years out of it.

00:51:34.720 And it was really sad, but it taught me a lot on that.

00:51:39.220 Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

00:51:41.080 Pick something and go with it.

00:51:44.500 Pick things that you know to be true.

00:51:47.360 And embrace those and stand on those.

00:51:49.980 Build upon that.

00:51:50.980 Absolutely.

00:51:52.580 I would never want to tell you not to think about these things.

00:51:55.560 They're great things to ponder and think about and think about how stuff relates to it.

00:51:59.900 And I think that your original answer about our gods being, you know, creating our consciousness and how we perceive the world is fantastic.

00:52:07.840 Thinking beyond that is really interesting and it's fascinating.

00:52:11.840 But it's not essential and necessary.

00:52:14.440 And I think people get caught up with that sometimes.

00:52:18.320 And there's some things that you don't truly understand.

00:52:20.560 The other thing is, like Svon said, and I think this is really important.

00:52:28.920 In a lot of ways, it would cut through some of this for me to pretend that I got some magic goggles.

00:52:36.340 And I think I speak for all of us, and I know that I speak for myself, and I know that I speak for our founder, Steve McNallan, on this, because he and I have talked quite a bit over the years.

00:52:54.120 We're very conscious not to do that.

00:52:56.400 Um, when I tell you something is the way something is, it's out of sincere belief that that wisdom's been given to me by our gods and that it's accurate.

00:53:11.920 And I'm very, very careful about that.

00:53:15.280 And I would never knowingly do wrong by that.

00:53:19.260 I'm not going to say I'm perfect.

00:53:20.700 I'm not.

00:53:22.620 But a lot of weight goes into that.

00:53:24.980 and it's easier to you know we could streamline a lot of this by pretending that's the case

00:53:32.900 but that's not right and the right thing to do is more important um our lord doesn't come to us from

00:53:43.220 these one-off divine revelations of like book-sized stuff yes people are inspired and

00:53:50.180 And they may have a vision. They may have a moment where one of our gods speaks to them and puts them on a course very clearly.

00:53:57.000 And that's enshrined in our lore. But we don't have some instance of, you know, Goethe Olaf in 700 going into some cave and then coming out with a bunch of tablets.

00:54:11.740 That's not how this worked for our ancestors. This is the collected understanding of our relationship to our gods over the millennia.

00:54:20.180 And it's, that's why it's less smooth than it could be, because that's organic and that's how things work in life.

00:54:30.720 That's why it's not as pretty with all the, you know, loose ends tied up perfectly, because that's not real.

00:54:38.400 That's easy to do when you're cutting corners or when you're compromising things.

00:54:43.080 but that's not how it's not how stuff really develops in that way certainly in my experience

00:54:50.440 um so and i think this is a good segue into the text that we're supposed to be talking about

00:54:56.380 tonight so some of these stories so again the the eddas were not the eddas are not the bible

00:55:05.560 The Eddas are not the Quran. The Eddas are not delivered to us as holy writ. But what they are is collections of materials that reference our most sacred lore.

00:55:21.600 Some of them are meaty retellings of true lore. Some of them are poetic exercises done to the backdrop of lore to where the poetic exercise is your ability to incorporate and reference and make these callbacks to stories that are common to the audience in lore.

00:55:44.900 and tonight's story is one of those I don't think that there's a point we're supposed to think that

00:55:53.980 in some point in mythic time they had this like really rude feast to where this happened I don't

00:55:59.320 think that's the idea I think the idea is to take these characters that everyone knows because

00:56:05.060 they're their gods and we know these these tales and we know them by heart and then we put them in

00:56:11.800 ridiculous situation and make all these little clever references to it as part of a flighting

00:56:19.800 story which was common in the poetry of her ancestors and so the irreverence of this piece

00:56:28.360 tonight the value of it as a story in our lore and the reason that we don't you know have some fatwa

00:56:34.680 on it is because it throws in and it weaves in bits of knowledge that otherwise would be lost

00:56:40.680 and it's really interesting and valuable that one but don't don't take the irreverence of this story

00:56:49.320 as the point or something that's a you know inappropriate thing i think this is probably

00:56:54.920 the close there's other instances you see in the edda's a little bit that do this

00:56:58.840 this is probably the closest to the degradation of hellenic faith that the the greeks did to where

00:57:05.960 they make the gods a backdrop to a to a comedy uh to an absurd comedy and so keep that in mind 0.79

00:57:16.680 when we read this i think that people who don't come to this from the same direction that we do

00:57:24.840 tend to

00:57:28.600 think that this was meant to be perceived as as some divine revelation and it wasn't this was

00:57:34.120 meant to be an exercise for for poets of a humorous interaction where you could weave in your little

00:57:44.280 nuggets of lore in a in a uh irreverent situation that's the thing that's the thing these days it

00:57:51.720 has been for a while like ah it's irreverent as if that's a positive thing that's kind of the

00:57:58.440 idea of this particular body story that that we're going to talk about to see

00:58:07.080 with that swan why is this titled different stuff that ends in how we get last week was

00:58:17.240 yeah but this one's different this one i think off top of my head is the only one that ends in

00:58:30.160 santa yeah and the only there's there's quite a few meanings behind santa but the best one i

00:58:39.220 think that correlates to the purpose of the story is the jibing to jibe at someone to kind of poke

00:58:45.800 at them to uh retort or to send insult is really what this is so this is the insulting

00:58:55.400 from loki in essence and i think that along with what you said there is a greater mythic truth

00:59:02.520 about loki and his presence and what the metastasizing of um cowardliness can can then grow

00:59:12.680 into and that's that's a big one here as well um it's good that you point that out so i want

00:59:18.920 to qualify what i just said a second ago there's still moral lesson to this that has mythic truth

00:59:28.520 about consequence about stuff that happens when you let chaos into your inner guard

00:59:36.600 there are bigger meta truths that are drawn in to this tale it's valuable that way as well

00:59:44.640 but I mean I just I don't think that we are accurately served to imagine

00:59:51.700 this particular dinner party occurring amongst our gods in this way it's it's kind of absurd

01:00:01.200 that way when you if you were to try to take it very literally yeah and there's actually some

01:00:07.200 points to that that would be understood by the audience but not make sense but it was just simply

01:00:13.760 placed in the story to um create relation between uh humans and and gods um uh the servants that

01:00:23.600 are involved the going out into the forest despite you know the fact that ayers hall is in the the

01:00:31.200 the center of the ocean um though maybe like the snorps yeah well that's that's another thing too

01:00:39.800 is because a lot of people get confused about cosmology and we don't know if our ancestors

01:00:44.560 saw ayers hall as being geographically in the center but on land excuse me a lot of people

01:00:51.800 get confused with the idea that ausgarder is heaven alone but in the stories there's movement

01:00:59.040 outside of the of the hall or outside of the garther um so a lot of people kind of

01:01:05.760 geographically assume some things and i don't want to do that um but we spoke a little bit

01:01:13.580 about the importance of uh ire's hall and the the the gods of order making sure that they

01:01:21.080 like place their dominion upon the most primal spot in Midgard which of course is the ocean

01:01:29.920 um and I think that that plays out physically when we see things like you know the ancient

01:01:36.760 creatures and and so on and so forth that do come out of the ocean it is clearly that the the the

01:01:42.760 deep blood of Ymir is filled still with with things of his time things of his kind um so they

01:01:50.460 definitely set that but um yeah so this story was told um but was probably comprised later on 12th

01:02:03.020 13th century um and uh hollander um lee hollander and uh and bellows have even remarked how they

01:02:13.900 don't think that this poem was very popular or at least not amongst audiences but may have

01:02:20.220 been popular amongst poets because of the the style that it was written in in in leo the hauler

01:02:27.020 it's it's a meter style that um you know it it's very very strong throughout the entirety of it

01:02:36.060 and it's easy to teach and it wasn't very common so it may have been something more exclusive um

01:02:45.020 you know we don't know if it's like it wasn't popular because it was maybe it riled up the

01:02:50.140 the folk, you know, or what have you. But we do know by after the 11th century and thereafter,

01:02:57.300 there was this time, much like with the Greeks and the philosophes, where the divinity of the

01:03:03.500 gods becomes so story driven that there is a great need to create this entertainment value,

01:03:12.780 where there's bickering, there's fighting, there's jibing at each other.

01:03:18.260 this is one of those times and i'm i don't like the rush to throw this in there all the time

01:03:23.220 because i think it's very distracting and i don't think it's i don't think it's nearly

01:03:29.140 as relevant as people pretend that it is but it is worthwhile to at this point

01:03:38.580 certainly in iceland at this point they've been christianized for a long time

01:03:43.700 um it may not seem so it's funny because if we

01:03:53.060 look back 150 years it seems like a very long time ago but when we look at periods in history 0.97

01:04:01.860 you know 1150 to 100 doesn't seem like a big deal because that's all it's all old times

01:04:09.700 but it's still a very long time so many generations since the majority and since

01:04:16.540 people were openly practicing house of truth so some of the tales are far removed from a

01:04:24.280 need of reverence irreverence towards the icr was encouraged by a uh you could keep

01:04:33.240 around stories if they're entertaining and it's not done with reverence but to

01:04:43.320 record to record these kind of things with reverence was a much more uh politically

01:04:48.680 incorrect thing to do back then and getting cancelled at that day and time had a lot more

01:04:56.200 to do with death and dismemberment so spawn yeah would you take us into our text this evening please

01:05:10.200 okay well this says this is another one that has a lengthy intro that we haven't really been seeing

01:05:16.280 in some of the older ones uh or not sorry the previous ones um so we're going back we probably

01:05:23.400 if people have been following vns and watching these um you know they notice these intros but

01:05:29.720 it's not not uh it's been scant as of late so we'll go into this and uh and i really i i really

01:05:38.200 will attempt to make sure that i say that the names correctly maybe with a little less emphasis

01:05:47.160 on um uh you know i want to say them closer for people that speak english so they can hear it

01:05:55.800 and and you know be able to pronounce these names but also not throw so much on it that it's uh you

01:06:03.640 know like when people say like heimdall and in icelandic it's you know it's heim doctor uh that

01:06:09.800 throws people off hey what what was there was like a lateral thing in there i don't so i'm going to

01:06:15.000 to do that, but with the intention of, so when you hear these, you know,

01:06:19.360 Agir isn't Agir, but is Eir, and so on and so forth. So, Eir, who is the Jotun that is sequestered 0.70

01:06:34.580 by the gods to hold and host a feast for them uh and is the very much like the equivalency of the 0.94

01:06:46.280 hellenic oceanus is the the the un uncontrolled um or certainly you know just completely uncaring

01:06:56.800 towards, uh, humanity. Um, he is the deep oceanic, uh, power. And this also does show

01:07:05.960 the point in which we, our, our, our stories, our ancestors and our faith clearly show that 0.98

01:07:13.020 there is dominion by Jotuns to affect the world, the middle world around them. Um, and it, 1.00

01:07:22.060 it is sometimes very powerful. Um, uh, so, you know, that when we say like define a, a God or

01:07:30.420 what have you, when we talk about like the divine powers, we often talk about that the Yotans have

01:07:35.000 divine power, but I'm, I'm deviating. Um, they're meeting here at Ayers hall in the center of the 1.00

01:07:43.380 ocean. And the entire feasting and jibing at each other and all of the things that happen

01:07:53.140 are reminiscent of what could happen to any audience member of our ancestors at that time.

01:07:59.520 They absolutely understood it with the idea that perhaps someone was to show up who was not

01:08:06.540 invited, um, and that there would be this kind of, uh, jibing contest, perhaps because there was a

01:08:15.240 rule, like, uh, there was no, you know, it was against the law to slay that person, um, in that

01:08:20.780 area or in that time. So none of this is outside of the scope of understanding of our ancestors

01:08:26.520 and as they're they're hearing this story um so ayer who was also called gimir

01:08:37.960 had prepared ale for the gods we spoke about the cauldron the attainment of the cauldron um and

01:08:45.880 that's what led leads you know to this not chronologically mind you though um the uh

01:08:53.960 And I think it was just more of the substance of understanding cauldron.

01:08:58.980 And this story leads to why they're feasting repeatedly in Ayersholm.

01:09:07.440 So, after he had got the mighty kettle, as now has been told, to this feast came Odin and Frigg, his wife.

01:09:23.960 Thor came not, as he was on a journey in the east. Sif, Thor's wife, was there, and Brai, with Idun, his wife.

01:09:40.160 Tyr, who had but one hand, was there. The wolf Fenrir had bitten off his other hand when they had bound him.

01:09:50.120 there was my other and scabby his wife there was fray and freya and there's a little part there

01:10:01.380 um just to say i know that for anybody that's been following let's say jackson crawford he uh

01:10:08.180 he proposes the idea that the e y is more of a sound but i'm not going to do that just you know

01:10:16.900 So anybody that has that comment, that's the reason why I'm just going with what we got.

01:10:23.140 So Freyr and Freya and Vidar, the son of Ovin, Loki was there and Freyr's servants, Bigvir and Bela.

01:10:37.520 Now, Bigvir means, for lack of a better word, it's a pioneer or a colonist, somebody who creates a farm.

01:10:46.900 somebody who goes out into the wilds and expands order into the wild. 0.54

01:10:53.320 And Bela means pregnant or full.

01:10:57.360 And so, you know, the idea is that in order to expand dominion,

01:11:03.180 you need people who are willing to expand both the land and the folk.

01:11:09.440 So that's the meanings behind their names.

01:11:13.740 Though there are speculations that it could mean, uh, like a cow and honey, but again, those are things that are needed on farms. Um, but those are, that's my link on those translations. Um, many were there of the gods and elves.

01:11:33.040 And I think that's another thing that's a good point is bringing up that the Aesir are often seen as being followed or, you know, accompanied with retinue of Alvar, ascendant beings, both of natural and of once mortal souls.

01:11:52.040 souls. Um, Iyer had two serving men, Fimathang, Fimathang means nimble fingers. So I don't know,

01:12:04.940 maybe he's not the guy you want to, to check your coats at the beginning of the, the, the, um,

01:12:11.980 ceremony and Eldir, of course, the, the old one or the elder one glittering gold they had in place

01:12:21.020 of firelight. The ale came in of itself, and great was the peace. The guest praised much the ability

01:12:30.680 of Ayr's serving men. Loki might not endure that, and so he slew Fima Fang. Then the gods shook 0.85

01:12:42.000 their shields and howled at Loki and drove him away into the forest, and thereafter set to drinking

01:12:49.900 again, Loki turned back and outside he met Eldir and Loki spoke to him. So it's worth noting here

01:13:00.100 that the goodness of all that was happening, the fruitfulness of the ale and the food and

01:13:10.960 the entirety of the thing is it can't be abided by loki loki is really starting to show his

01:13:21.360 metastasized evil um where you know where he could see positivity he sees negativity and where he uh

01:13:30.720 sees praise he has to kill the the the the thing that is praised it's it's like if somebody had 0.89

01:13:40.320 like a prize you know uh dog or horse and they loved it so much he just had to kill it

01:13:47.040 and that's just starting to show the level of where he's at um i think that the part

01:13:54.160 where loki might not endure that is a maybe a misspelling because we've seen a couple of those

01:13:59.920 in this um but yes so he comes back and he's on the outside kind of skulking around like a varger

01:14:09.760 a varg uh an edge dweller um a a wolf that um yelps from the the darkness of the forest but

01:14:20.640 is not part of the goodness of society and order um and so he's out there and he says to eldir he

01:14:28.160 He says, speak now, Eldir, for not one step farther shalt thou fare.

01:14:38.820 What ale talk here do they have within the sons of the glorious gods?

01:14:44.940 So now it's like, more or less, what are they talking about now that I'm gone?

01:14:51.200 um now that he's he's got kicked out of the party if you will an elder speaks in uh verse two he

01:15:05.140 says of their weapons they talk and their might in war the sons of the glorious gods from the

01:15:13.020 gods and the elves who gathered here no friend in word shall thou find so you've you've you've 0.72

01:15:20.000 spent your you've spent it you you know um killing uh the servant of ire has garnered you

01:15:31.040 no friends in this hall anymore

01:15:35.280 and this of course builds up the the anticipation of where the story is going to go

01:15:42.320 in verse 3 loki speaks he says

01:15:44.160 in shall i go into ire's hall for the feast i feign would see bail and hatred i bring to

01:15:54.720 the gods and their mead with venom i mix so this is really a

01:16:04.960 uh a crucial point to understand this is in between the slaying of balder and

01:16:15.120 the ultimate what's going to happen to to loki it hasn't happened yet a lot of people think it's just

01:16:21.840 one after the other no this is in between so this is kind of again insult to injury for the sake of

01:16:29.760 understanding that as far as a story goes uh like if as the god says you know in the drama of it

01:16:38.640 don't fully understand that it was loki's guiding hand that killed balder and that it was all

01:16:47.520 rectified once valley the the lord of instant retribution and correction of order um slays

01:16:56.640 hov and they you know go and become one in in in uh helgar so that's even more so of a thing to

01:17:06.960 to think about like um and it comes to light and that the punishment is then becomes fitting to it

01:17:13.640 all so um he says i'll go in and i'll bring venom and hatred and evil to everything i do in there

01:17:22.680 and elder speaks in in um in four he says if in thou goest to ire's hall and feign the feast would

01:17:32.940 would see, and with slander and spite would sprinkle the gods, then well lest they wipe it

01:17:42.220 on thee. So I find it interesting what the usage of the word with the sprinkling or blessing

01:17:51.260 um is uh that it's very akin to the way that when we um and our ancestors held bloat uh the

01:18:03.060 the asking of the gods to give in return if we are seen worthy the blessing and so he's speaking of

01:18:12.500 his blessing as being almost like a blaspheming version of the bloat and then he basically says

01:18:20.040 you you should be very very careful because they may wipe it back on you um and loki speaks in five

01:18:29.320 he says bethink thee el dear if thou and i shall strive with spiteful speech richer i grow in ready

01:18:38.360 words if thou speakest too much to me so this part here is basically saying that you know take heed

01:18:47.240 i am i am of great cunning and um sharp tongue so every time you attempt or even and he's kind of

01:18:56.600 prospecting that the same with the gods that if they try to attack him with words he will he is

01:19:05.360 always growing stronger and faster um in that department it's of course the physicality part

01:19:12.760 and they have already run him off. So he's trying to angle his true power, which is words, wit, and

01:19:22.920 other notable traits. So now at this point, the audience is like, oh, here we go. The intro is

01:19:34.800 done and now it begins and what happens in these poetic verses really um you have to bear in mind

01:19:44.880 one the the spitefulness of jibing at people was not always in a foundation of truth

01:19:52.240 you can see this um in beowulf um during the symbol and you can see this here as well

01:20:00.560 um i think it was more common than a lot of historians care to believe i know that like

01:20:06.640 a perfect example of this is um with my ancestors uh there was a great um historian named procopius

01:20:15.440 who absolutely hated the germanic tribes and hated a few tribes in particular and uh you know

01:20:22.800 he laid grievances upon them that had really no foundation only a motivation to stop um the

01:20:30.640 leadership of that time to bring these people into the nation so this is not always seen as

01:20:41.360 that it's just simply the truth it's sometimes about how bombastic the lie can be how almost um

01:20:49.840 you know uh the blush factor if you will how much is this going to make people uh twist and turn

01:20:58.240 and there's a reason why they don't get they haven't killed him already and they

01:21:04.800 they won't kill him here uh is is will be established if you're wondering so

01:21:13.040 so i think a important thing to note is this um

01:21:17.120 Um, this theme of like spreading slander, mockery, and hatred amongst what is an otherwise joyful, you know, mead hall event.

01:21:39.120 And it's a common theme and a motif that goes throughout our mythos.

01:21:47.100 And I think it's important to always remember that the idea that there's always treachery and forces of chaos using slander and lies and mockery and, you know,

01:22:17.100 And sowing seeds of doubt and stuff is a common thing that prevents people from having nice things.

01:22:26.840 This is a common thing in our lore that holds folks back.

01:22:31.020 It's one of the impetuses for victory never sleeps.

01:22:36.200 you got to keep moving forward because there's always this crab in the bucket negative force

01:22:44.280 trying to sow dissent and treachery in the hearts and the ranks of the noble and this is

01:22:52.840 important to me and i think it's a time to uh i don't know harken back to the wolves that are

01:23:00.680 ever at the heels of of suna and mani um one is named the hater and the other the mocker

01:23:15.320 so i think that's a hati in school so yeah keep that in mind that's always this

01:23:23.240 very prominent tool of chaos in our myths and in the world observable around us at this very moment

01:23:34.360 is that sewing doubt and treachery amongst amongst the noble in order to

01:23:41.160 you know snatch defeat from the jaws of victory so cool yeah i think there's there's an empathizing

01:23:51.480 that i see amongst a lot of the internet detritus that i've run into over the years

01:23:56.520 um where they kind of this is where they empathize with uh with the kinslayer and um

01:24:08.280 the internet detritus is the forces that i mean that we see around us that want to spread

01:24:15.880 oh yes defeat and treachery amongst noble people trying to do noble things and i think it's funny

01:24:25.800 that they see instinctively see a kinship there it's a red flag

01:24:37.240 well and i mean specifically too because i should be clear like 1.00

01:24:41.240 Like bale workers, baneful folk who do carry this kind of in incessant need to dissolve 1.00

01:24:50.620 good things, uh, may think that they're good people, but that they just, they should be 1.00

01:24:57.760 running things or they should be doing things, or if I was doing, you know, and all that

01:25:01.080 stuff, those people aside, which still follow that same pattern, I'm kind of more referring

01:25:06.180 to the lokians if you will um that you know i see these self-proclaimed uh people talk about

01:25:13.620 that's what those people are though like that's the thing is always being the contrarian

01:25:23.380 always it's kind of an interesting thing that

01:25:30.580 this is a aside and we won't dwell on this too much but it's something interesting that i noticed

01:25:35.380 and i don't know if this is just me being an old man or if it's still relevant but

01:25:41.700 something really interesting happened i don't know 10 5 10 years ago that really affects stuff

01:25:51.780 we had this strange shift in the west as far as currents go where traditionalism became edgy so

01:26:01.540 all the edge lords tried to be edge lords by being super traditional and it made a really strange

01:26:13.060 uncomfortable milieu of things

01:26:19.780 because the way of being a contrarian

01:26:23.940 was by like not being contrary and it was a really strange like

01:26:32.400 I don't know it was a it was a really strange irony um going on for a time but I think a lot

01:26:40.920 of us here you know who were around at that time saw I don't know some of that and how it worked

01:26:46.140 or how it didn't work but that theme of there always being a contrarian that's there to

01:26:51.540 complain or find fault or just make stuff up is something we see throughout our lore something

01:26:58.620 we experience in our life and it's a way of making this tale and so much of our mythos

01:27:03.760 very relevant to today um because we see this the idea of somebody coming to your dinner party and 0.96

01:27:15.000 being a jerk is not far from a lot of our, uh, life experience. 0.94

01:27:22.480 Well, and he also uses orderliness against, which is another clear sign, uh, especially with, 0.98

01:27:29.540 with, um, people of, of the, of chaotic and, and dissolvement natures is that they always come

01:27:36.920 at you with uh you know some rule that they want to use against you or i mean they're not abiding

01:27:45.840 by rules but they just see rules as ways to kind of throw hurdles in front of you and they

01:27:49.980 and he does it here um so so before we continue with uh stanza six while we're still on this

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01:29:33.220 and helping us accomplish stuff. We appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah. And we can go into six

01:29:39.960 at your leisure. All right. So Loki speaks in six as he walks in thirsty. I come into this

01:29:51.660 thine hall i lopped from a journey long to ask of the gods that one should give fair mead for

01:30:01.020 a drink to me a couple of things um the the name lopped is another uh obviously it's attested to

01:30:11.240 be another name of loki it's used in this poem and it generally means like a high up place um

01:30:20.780 a place very akin to like a loft, if you will, um, or loftiness, or, uh, I think it's,

01:30:32.060 it's poetically leaning towards pretentiousness. Um, but in a, you know, less, uh, straightforward

01:30:40.420 way. Um, but he comes in and says, you know, I, I, as if they didn't know why they sent him off,

01:30:48.840 he's joking

01:30:51.080 I just went for a trip

01:30:53.240 you know a little jaunt

01:30:55.620 and now I'm thirsty

01:30:57.440 prepare me a drink

01:30:59.220 and of course

01:31:01.200 it's quiet everyone is

01:31:03.440 looking at

01:31:04.940 the Kinslayer 1.00

01:31:07.420 which they don't know 0.98

01:31:09.500 is the Kinslayer quite yet

01:31:11.480 and he says in 7 0.94

01:31:15.020 why sit ye silent

01:31:17.060 swollen with pride ye gods and no answer give at your feast of place and a seat prepare me or bid

01:31:26.880 me forth to fare so again why are you sitting silent you must be so swollen with your own pride

01:31:36.420 that you can't even talk prepare me your seat or tell me to get the hell out is what he basically

01:31:42.460 says.

01:31:46.140 And at that point,

01:31:49.300 eight,

01:31:51.920 it is Lord Brahi.

01:31:55.500 Brahi,

01:31:56.940 remember the G is kind of a

01:31:58.540 soft G-Y sound,

01:32:01.140 says,

01:32:03.080 a place and

01:32:05.140 a seat. Will the gods

01:32:07.220 prepare? No more

01:32:09.060 in their midst for thee.

01:32:10.500 for the gods know well what men they wish to find at their mighty feasts so he says

01:32:18.180 you'll find no seat here we will not prepare anything we know we know who to consider loyal

01:32:24.340 and who is not and then of course this is what starts the patterning someone will speak towards

01:32:33.360 uh loki in almost general terms or just kind of very like roundabout ways um and he will turn

01:32:45.800 and spit at them and again this wasn't something that our ancestors saw as like oh you know he's

01:32:52.680 he's doing this that you know he's being that kooky guy no there there's the big question on

01:33:01.240 the mind is why are they not placing a sword through his skull and so and that is that is kind

01:33:10.500 of revealed um and how he is playing that but that would be the the general ideas like he's already 0.78

01:33:17.680 slain a servant why aren't they why don't they kill him and that's the frustration i think that's

01:33:24.640 ultimately from the story that's intended to be built up um loki speaks to lord odin he says 0.97

01:33:34.400 remember odin in old days that we were we both our blood have mixed then didst thou promise

01:33:43.920 no ale to pour unless it were brought for both of us

01:33:48.960 and here clearly the the blow these salmon the um the blending of their blood um in in sacrifice or

01:34:03.000 in uh their ritualistic sense and this was done in a very uh understanding sense with

01:34:11.640 our ancestors the idea of of you know cutting turf and um then you know mixing blood and then

01:34:20.920 walking through the turf underneath an archway as if they had walked underneath the the the

01:34:28.040 threshold of the earth or you know the birthing canal of the earth and now now they are brothers

01:34:33.480 um this was a a known thing about this as far as like to become a blood brother there were

01:34:41.240 different ways to do it but it wouldn't have been lost on the on the audience and so this speaks

01:34:48.040 about um their connection and would also explain to how that is sometimes re you know reflected as

01:34:56.200 to why does lord othen allow loki around and um and you know these passing comments so um

01:35:06.520 Here it is stated that they are blood brothers, which makes him a kinslayer.

01:35:15.420 Very important part there.

01:35:20.560 Then Odin speaks.

01:35:23.920 Stand forth then, Vidar, and let the wolf's father find a seat at our feast.

01:35:31.540 Lest evil should Loki speak aloud here within Ayr's Hall.

01:35:36.520 And so he beckons his, or he beckons Vidar, again, very, very interesting because a couple of things, the mythos of Vidar is that he resides alone awaiting Ragnarok.

01:35:55.280 And that, again, chronologically would then place this as being something after this moment.

01:36:01.500 But, you know, again, he refers to Loki as Fenris' father.

01:36:07.880 And he says, you know, we will give him room to speak so long as he does not speak and desanctify the holiness of this place.

01:36:19.680 and

01:36:23.620 yeah so

01:36:25.280 that's intent and that I think

01:36:27.760 is very telling with

01:36:29.600 just the idea that

01:36:31.940 everyone there

01:36:33.560 is

01:36:35.800 clearly not happy with this

01:36:37.660 and I think also too Lord Vidar

01:36:39.560 is not happy with this situation

01:36:41.900 but obeys

01:36:43.840 Lord

01:36:45.900 Othyn

01:36:46.180 then

01:36:48.140 he is a silent house silently that's one of the things that's interesting to me is he

01:36:57.340 one of his so a couple of things and and it's worth reiterating because uh vidar is one of our

01:37:03.900 our gods that not a lot has reached us about but a couple of things that everybody familiar with

01:37:13.820 you know the audience for this poem would be well and understanding is eventually

01:37:22.700 vidar is going to dole out justice to to fenrir when he like you know he makes that point of

01:37:33.980 yeah let the you know vidar stand up and let the the wolf's father sit down

01:37:39.820 he knows that he's going to be instrumental in slaying uh fenrir and in being part of this

01:37:48.780 justice situation that goes on he's also um they mentioned earlier that thor's not around

01:37:55.900 he's off fighting giants and doing his thing so he's not there one of the few facts we know about

01:38:01.900 vidar is he's likened to he's he's almost as strong as the lord like he's kind of like the

01:38:12.300 the stand in you know he's likened to thor if thor's not there then he's

01:38:17.340 you know then he's the strong guy that's there you know he's the next strongest at that

01:38:24.220 it's just kind of interesting because you got to do these things and you know in silence

01:38:29.260 be part of this process and knowing how this plays out later it's it's an interesting

01:38:38.220 tension in the poem yeah and a link there with the fenrir and vidar and i think too it kind of

01:38:47.660 again shows why we often look at vidar as a not only a god of vengeance or of karma in the long

01:38:56.460 run but also the one of silent devotion and the one that arises and does the bidding um despite

01:39:04.780 perhaps the internal conflicts that stand in the way um kind of relinquishing his personal

01:39:12.620 for the betterment because of of being that the decree lord othen decrees it to him so

01:39:19.420 he doesn't very much a a testament to duty

01:39:29.580 and of course um uh loki gets his horn he's uh then vidar arose and poured drink for loki but

01:39:42.700 before he drank he speaks to the gods or he spoke to the god excuse me in 11. hail to you gods ye

01:39:52.220 goddesses hail hail to the holy throng save for the god who yonder sits brahi there on the bench

01:40:03.500 so at this point because brahi was the first one to speak up against him and say like no the gods

01:40:11.260 um know well who they're gonna have amongst um and now the fact that this situation has

01:40:17.740 changed he's basically rubbing it in his nose and brahi speaks

01:40:26.060 uh 12 a horse and a sword from my horde will i give and a ring gives bragi to boot

01:40:35.500 that hatred thou makest not amongst the gods so rouse not the great ones to wrath he's he basically

01:40:43.740 says i will give you things if you do not take this too far and i think that there's a there's

01:40:53.500 a combination here one it's i it's lending to the idea that bri also can kind of see things as they

01:41:03.340 develop he knows where things are going to go and it's not the place to do this and so he's

01:41:10.140 talking about unseemliness and impropriety and it's i also think it's kind of funny because he

01:41:16.540 he uses like the language of the the craven and the cunning which is bribery um and i i think

01:41:23.100 that's um very very funny um but um it doesn't quite work so uh loki speaks or he says sorry

01:41:38.460 so rouse do not rouse the the the gods or the great ones um wrath and loki speaks

01:41:44.940 In horses and rings thou shalt never be rich, brai, but both shall you lack.

01:41:55.020 Of the gods and elves here together met, least brave in battle art thou, and shyest thou art of the shot.

01:42:05.100 So he's basically calling him a coward and saying that he is not brave in battle.

01:42:11.840 this is interesting because it seems more as in the story is making it personal

01:42:19.420 as a general sense brahi being the um uh scald of the gods and then at that time scalds oftentimes

01:42:31.800 were warriors as well and that so there wasn't this um sense that you know if you read poetry

01:42:38.800 you're not a warrior as well but this just seems to be more personal and again it goes big and it

01:42:46.560 goes bombastic and fast and isn't really in the relevance of truth so he calls him a coward

01:42:57.920 and that uh he's shy now this part here too when he talks about and shyest thou art of the shot

01:43:04.240 that is the person who runs away when when they get shot at by arrows uh doesn't hold the line

01:43:13.600 you're the one that doesn't hold the line when the arrows come um and that's you know again the

01:43:23.280 coward cowardice um and bragi spake in 14 now where i without as i am within 0.96

01:43:33.200 And here in Ayershall, thine head would I bear in my hands away and pay thee the price of thy lies. 1.00

01:43:42.640 So he returns and says, you know, if we weren't here and if we weren't in this sacred feast, I would cut your head off and carry it like a trophy and pay you for your lying tongue. 0.98

01:44:01.180 um loki speaks again in 15 and he says in thy seat art thou bold not so are thy deeds 0.98

01:44:09.980 brai adorner of benches go out and fight if angered thou feelest no hero such forethought has

01:44:19.120 so brave from the seats um but not on the streets no it's uh it's he's he's accusing him

01:44:30.280 of of um you know uh being a bench warmer and i i love that i love that line adorer of benches

01:44:43.920 the doers of nothing

01:44:46.460 yeah it's pretty it's it's pretty spiteful and i mean again he's it hits big um but remember

01:44:58.880 our to our head sisters it was the build up of why are they not killing this guy and they have

01:45:04.540 to sit there and take it uh it's not so much like i think in modern sensibilities where people are

01:45:10.380 like oh you know the anti-hero is finally getting his say or or what have you but yeah yeah i think

01:45:18.880 that your analysis of the building of tension in this of like why isn't bad stuff happening to this

01:45:27.860 guy like i think that i think that we have all seen that that like development stuff and somebody's

01:45:39.260 holding back and they're all holding back and like how long are they going to hold back on this

01:45:43.020 what's you know when somebody's going to do something but i think that uh i missed it last

01:45:48.600 go around i what i'm trying to kind of take a pause between each five of these stanzas because

01:45:54.540 they're kind of set that way a little bit right um sierra or no i'm sorry i'm sorry sarah asks

01:46:01.900 so was the blood combining like an oath to each other um yes it was literally blood brotherhood

01:46:10.380 is the the thing and it's it's funny because i don't think people do it today as much but you

01:46:18.720 know even when i was a kid that was like a thing people would do is they like cut their finger and

01:46:24.260 their buddy'd cut their finger and stick it together and you'd make your little blood brothers

01:46:30.620 deal but that's based on a a longer tradition in you know amongst our folk of

01:46:39.020 accepting someone into your house as family through the exchange of blood

01:46:45.740 but yeah do you have any more on that

01:46:50.620 um yeah i was going to say that the biggest point of our ancestors understanding that blood

01:47:00.480 brotherhood means that very much like fostering um if you were say an a parent and you took on a

01:47:08.580 child and brought them into your blood uh as like not a blood brother but like a blood child

01:47:16.220 they abided by the rules. It's the same as if you make a brother or a sister. They abide by

01:47:23.980 the rules that are applied to someone who was physically born into the family. So one of the

01:47:33.900 key points that I always bring up is that he is bound by the caveat that if you were to slay your

01:47:43.220 blood brothers children you are in essence slaying your own family you're you're a kinslayer and that

01:47:51.680 is a very important point as to why it's so grievous what he has done and the retribution

01:48:00.000 against him um especially since it's kind of left in uh the open um the uh the loss of

01:48:09.360 Loki's children are seen as directly, or sorry, Loki's child is directly fitting versus, you know, killing him outright because of the ambiguity of the crime.

01:48:21.320 But a kinslayer nonetheless, you know, malicious killing of kin is seen as wrong.

01:48:32.080 And it's one of the highest crimes.

01:48:35.540 so um yeah that's my take on that i don't know if you wanted to uh throw out some more stuff there

01:48:45.860 um no i mean i think we get it that's that's literally kind of what it is it's that simple i

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01:52:30.500 Well, so

01:52:31.620 at this point

01:52:34.100 the calming hand

01:52:37.100 of the Frith Weaver

01:52:38.720 steps in.

01:52:41.240 In 16, it is

01:52:43.880 the Holy

01:52:45.600 Idun, the Lady

01:52:47.460 Idun,

01:52:48.780 the Lady of

01:52:51.680 Light, the giver of life

01:52:53.700 to the Holy Aesir.

01:52:55.200 um of course we've spoken about her the light being compounded with sound i.e she's married to

01:53:04.500 also brahi the the scald if you will but light and sound very very important stuff there um

01:53:10.460 but in this case we're in the hall and even says well prithee brahi

01:53:17.960 his kinship way since chosen as wish son he was and speak not to loki such words of spite

01:53:27.120 here within iris hall so the the point of you know let's let's take a minute back let's not

01:53:39.800 share barbs at each other he is you know of of blood brotherhood um let's uh let's

01:53:49.640 not stoop to that level in essence is kind of i think the veiled point of her comment

01:53:55.960 and loki then immediately and venomously goes after her because anyone that you know stands

01:54:03.880 up with reason he's going to spit at so loki speaks in 17 be silent even thou art i say of

01:54:15.160 woman most lustful in love since thou washed bright uh thy washed bright arms didst wind

01:54:23.160 about your brother's slayer now there's a couple things in here one a woman most lustful in love is

01:54:33.480 a harlot is basically what he's saying and um again washed bright arms um as a sign of

01:54:44.280 of love as a sign of or not sorry not love but beauty is um again the fairness of the skin um

01:54:52.120 and her you know bright and unsullied arms but she wrapped him around her brother slayer but this is

01:54:59.320 the this is probably either alluding to another story that we don't have and anybody who's been

01:55:09.560 following vns knows this is a lot we don't there's these kind of like offshoot dead ends

01:55:15.560 and or the other is that um perhaps there isn't a story but the insult still remains

01:55:25.180 and would be or could be related to on a human level with the audience so that i don't know and

01:55:33.580 i think but most importantly is that again um to sleep with your brother's slayer is

01:55:41.180 i imagine a pretty grievous accusation especially amongst her ancestors at the time so um i think

01:55:50.740 ultimately whether that is a dead end to a story lost or not the the overall is that i think we're

01:55:58.580 getting a glimpse into some of the mores of our ancestors at the time and so it's like you know

01:56:07.540 not only do you you know kill your own kin but you do not sleep with the slayers of your kin

01:56:15.060 um that is your ultimate uh you know uh needling needlinger uh just the needing um things that the 0.70

01:56:26.260 most wretched of things so um eden speaks in 18 to loki i speak not with spiteful words

01:56:38.020 here within ire's hall and rye i claim i calm who is hot with beer for i wish not that fierce

01:56:47.540 they should fight so i'm not speaking spiteful words to you i'm trying to calm my husband down

01:56:53.860 who is deep in his cups because i don't want to fight to happen

01:56:58.020 it. And Gevion speaks in 19. Gevion. Why ye gods twain with bitter tongues? Raise hate among us

01:57:16.740 here. Loki is famed for his mockery foul, and the dwellers in heaven he hates. So why are we

01:57:25.740 mixing words with this guy why are we even dealing with him we know he hates us all in heaven 0.73

01:57:33.420 um where ausgard resides um and he's known for his mockery and foulness why why are we even

01:57:41.900 engaging in this um and loki speaks he turns and spits in her direction be silent gevion for now

01:57:52.860 shall i say who led thee to evil life the boy so fair gave a necklace bright and about him thy legs

01:58:01.340 was laid so again another example of i would say a a grievous insult in our ancestors times

01:58:12.140 is that any woman that can be bought isn't worth pursuing and so he's saying she has no value

01:58:20.700 simply because the the the reference to the boy again it's kind of if we look at it as every

01:58:27.740 thing is a dead end towards another story but i i think again the big focus is is these were

01:58:33.820 grievous insults to lay upon a woman and to lay upon um you know wives and women in the middle of

01:58:43.580 like a a sanctity of a of a feast in which you're not supposed to draw your weapons where you're

01:58:50.380 not supposed to kill and uh that's exactly what's going on right now and he is just laying it in um

01:59:01.580 yeah so

01:59:07.660 we are on 21 correct

01:59:14.220 let's see indeed yes sir ovin spoke 21 mad art thou loki and little of wit the wrath of

01:59:25.740 gevion to rouse for the fate that is set for all that all she sees even as i me thinks so he says

01:59:38.060 that it's foolish for Loki to speak ill words to Gavion and to turn her wrath because she knows

01:59:49.240 not only just the fate, but how to manipulate the fate. This is a common thing that goes on

01:59:57.220 when we speak of the Nornir. The Nornir are much like the matroness or the desir of the gods.

02:00:08.060 and that our de-seer are also the twisters of fate.

02:00:15.420 So I think that this is something that a lot of people miss,

02:00:17.640 is the idea that we wish to be in the good graces of our de-seer

02:00:26.440 because they do extol benefit if we hold to our troth to the gods,

02:00:35.300 if we hold to our troth to the ancestors.

02:00:38.060 If we build our people up and we build families with our people, we gain the boom. If we turn away from that, we gain the loss of it. We gain the, you know, ire of the matrons.

02:00:59.100 And so this is always done, even with, like, say, with the Holy Freya, she's called the Vana Dis, she's the Disir of the Vanir, she has the ability to twist the fate of things, and that's what he's saying, is that Gevion can twist your fate, and it would be foul for you to speak against her. 0.98

02:01:21.000 Um, and then this is where it, it gets the kind of the, this is the threshold to the beginning of the end, um, as it now has been satelliting around, uh, Lord Odin, and now that's broken.

02:01:41.560 um loki speaks again and says to lord othen in 22 be silent othen not justly thou settest the fate

02:01:53.680 of the fight among men oft gavest thou to him who deserved not the gift to the baser the battle's

02:02:02.480 prize. And so he accuses Lord Oven of giving victory to the ones who are not deserving that

02:02:15.720 the, the brave or the, um, the ones who exalt themselves away from their mortality are of

02:02:24.520 course, reaped up by Lord Ovin in order to fill the, the throng of warriors in heaven to fight

02:02:33.420 against the forces of chaos. So that makes sense. You want to take the ones who are the best and

02:02:40.400 the brightest, but oftentimes at the cost, he's saying you've given lesser men the victory on

02:02:47.020 earth and um you know even though it's i could speak of it like that and kind of make sense of

02:02:54.940 it in essence what he's saying is that's wrong you you uh you give the ones who love you the most

02:03:00.700 you give the ones that exceed their understanding of of mortality and

02:03:06.380 you reap them up and everyone else has to deal with the other guy winning um

02:03:13.100 Um, and Odin speaks in 23, though I gave to him who deserved not the gift to the base

02:03:25.520 or the battles prize winter's eight was thou under the earth milking the cows as a maid

02:03:33.600 a and the babes didst thou bear unmanly thy soul must seem.

02:03:39.300 So this is where it gets really interesting. It's the only thing I can think of. So the idea that he is under the earth for eight winters and they're milking the cows as a maid.

02:04:02.980 I have thought a lot about this. I don't know if this is allegoric in the sense that he is referring perhaps to something that the audience understood, or that this is, again, another mythical dead end.

02:04:21.880 um however what he is accusing uh loki of is you know pretending to be a woman and not in the sense

02:04:33.540 of i mean that he can shape change himself into a woman and that he bore children um from these

02:04:41.680 unnatural unions and that he does not have a noble soul. Um, so, you know, it's, it's, uh,

02:04:55.420 it's interesting because again, I don't have a ton to go off of when it, we've talked about

02:05:00.280 the, the, the, you know, milking of cows as a maid, other than that there might be some

02:05:08.440 very kind of deep and out there reasons. Um, but they, you see this again, that there's the 0.59

02:05:17.280 accusation of pretending to be a woman is seen as an, a very, very alien thing. It's seen as something

02:05:25.960 that, um, noble men do not do. And it's seen as alien. It, it, it's specifically blurring

02:05:37.600 the correct way of things and that's what makes it such a grievous crime um

02:05:44.340 so loki speaks back in return in 24 they say that with spells in samsi once like witches with charms

02:05:54.640 did thou work and in witches guise among men didst thou go unmanly thy soul must seem

02:06:01.780 Um, so now there is a retort that he claims and you'll see people who, uh, I've seen Christians who try to, um, you know, utilize this as some like, aha, I got your moment.

02:06:19.700 um no again these are these are bombastic um insults and and until lord othen it was relatively

02:06:29.880 calm but then he he throws down the heavy on it and um and in return it's the same retort no you 0.80

02:06:36.640 you dressed like a woman and lived on this island and you know you learned how to be a witch and 0.96

02:06:43.340 cast spells from them and you know walked around as a transvestite and um you know that's unmanly 0.99

02:06:51.020 too so the one thing that i think when you run into people uh talking about this is they just 0.99

02:06:59.600 automatically believe everything that's being said instead of looking at the fact that the

02:07:03.940 insult itself is supposed to be so egregious that it it detracts from someone's honor and

02:07:12.480 they don't realize that the subject matter of the accusation is what's detracting from their honor

02:07:19.240 and that entails what is good and what is bad right or wrong or i mean not right or wrong but uh

02:07:26.500 correct or um uh truth truthful it doesn't matter it's really it's the it's wrong and that's what

02:07:37.940 they're focusing on. And I think that some people kind of get lost in that. And again,

02:07:45.280 you'll also notice something else that happens. Every time that one of the holy

02:07:51.200 house or a house or god is attacked one of the our senior the respective the wife steps in to

02:08:04.640 stand up for her man and also to try to negotiate peace because again breaking and maintaining the

02:08:14.240 sacredness of a place is really really important and i think that it would it's also very very

02:08:20.080 important to the to the female soul or the female women of of our especially from our ancestors

02:08:28.080 times as maintaining the sanctity and the faithfulness of a holy place um especially a

02:08:35.360 feast where things have been oathed as to not happen no slaying no you know pulling of weapons

02:08:41.120 or what have you and um so you know you see that again here reiterated because braai and then idun

02:08:51.120 and then lord ovin freak um though it might just be worth noting that the poets

02:09:00.560 were utilizing that as a natural thing they would they saw the the holy gods as couples

02:09:07.280 um i know i have done some artwork where i i counter balanced um the artwork showing like

02:09:15.640 the high one odin and frick and thor and sif and you know going like that um because that duality

02:09:26.400 and understanding of the masculine and feminine is so important um but yeah you see it here

02:09:31.420 Let me grab this real quick.

02:09:35.080 Grab a drink.

02:09:38.580 So, in 25, Frigg speaks, and she says,

02:09:49.980 Of the deeds ye two of old have done, ye should make no speech amongst men.

02:09:57.080 Whatever ye have done in days gone by, old tales should never be told.

02:10:01.420 um so he or she's saying what whatever deeds you two have done especially in reference to

02:10:11.020 the accusations is so egregious it should never be spoken of like that's not you should never

02:10:18.940 lay those accusations down on the men folk uh for you know suggesting that they're partaking in all

02:10:29.980 this um so i i think that's i i've always taken that as and i think a lot of people internet

02:10:41.620 garbage people um take this as some sort of confirmation and um you know as she is saying

02:10:51.360 that no of the of the things you speak of no man should you know lay these accusations down 0.97

02:10:58.140 and speak of, you know, false tales of fancy when one is younger.

02:11:05.700 Or like, in essence, don't use someone's past against them, especially in this subject.

02:11:11.240 This is not good.

02:11:13.480 This is fighting words.

02:11:14.760 um it's important to note also that there's kind of a um

02:11:22.880 a common refrain that you know it's unmanly to use magic as opposed to you know feet of arms

02:11:36.120 when fighting and as opposed to you know outright gender transgression it's

02:11:43.320 them getting mad because odin is a sorcerer and has magical powers to him that he employs

02:11:54.180 to win things when like no real men win through you know the ability to swing a sword and heft an

02:12:02.920 axe and you're over here winning with you know your your spells and your you know

02:12:07.540 girly magic you're using and i think that's a that's a part of it that's a theme in there and

02:12:13.820 it's obviously taken in an extreme direction to make it again to increase the bombast as as fawn 0.99

02:12:22.840 was saying but you know that's part of the refrain is like no you suck you're unmanly because you 0.99

02:12:30.460 don't go out there and fight with your hands you're you're busy you know working spells and 0.99

02:12:35.100 to imagine. And that's, you'll run into that multiple times in the lore as kind of a point

02:12:43.260 of controversy. Also want to point out, Lauren Anderson joined the VNS Coffee Club, donating

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02:12:57.080 thank you thank you um we move on to 26 and in 26 there's an interesting thing because i

02:13:07.160 i believe there was actually a mistake or a misspelling from the original text um

02:13:15.240 that i i think has thrown a lot of people off and they attempt to make a rationale behind it

02:13:20.200 but it's one word simply one word that may have been um utilized incorrectly um that

02:13:31.000 throws everything off so loki speaks in 26 he says be silent frig thou art fjörgen's wife

02:13:43.540 so that's an interesting part there because fjörgen of course in the subject matter

02:13:49.620 is referring to lord odin and some people this really throws them off because um

02:13:56.360 frigg is born of fjorkin who is her mother the earth fjorkin is another name for yarth

02:14:07.320 the the the vana goddess of the earth and so i i believe that the the um misspelling there is wife

02:14:18.140 and that it was, you know, like I said, I can't say that it was meant to be,

02:14:25.780 but the use of the word instead of wife as daughter would completely clear all of that up

02:14:32.700 because it is already established that Fjorkin is the mother of Frigg.

02:14:39.060 There is also a reference of Fjorkin being either masculine or neutral in its usage,

02:14:45.100 but so is also the word yard um but yes though the wife and daughter usage i think got mixed up and

02:14:54.700 that's just me kind of going out on a limb and saying that i believe that that kind of that's

02:14:59.820 where it got twisted up and it creates this thing where people try to really work their way around

02:15:06.220 it uh that and you know oh then is the earth and oh then is the sky and oh then is this and oh then

02:15:11.740 is everything and all this is just they're fragments of the consciousness of odin and

02:15:17.020 we're really monotheists surprise you know i think it gets it gets wild i've seen some crazy stuff um

02:15:24.380 anyways so he says be silent frank thou art fjorkin's wife but ever lustful in love for

02:15:31.340 villi and vey thou wife of vidrir is another haiti of odin uh both in thy bosom have lain

02:15:40.540 Now, this is an interesting thing. One of the points that I pull about the mythos of the gods is about the tripartite and specifically their positions, the dynamic position, and that Lord Odin is three and one, and one but three.

02:16:00.640 So this accusation is kind of funny in that sense that they are not separate, but he, I mean, in this story here, and it's certainly from the poet's point, you know, is viewing them as separate entities.

02:16:18.640 And that could be a thing from our ancestors' times, perhaps, or it was just an understanding from the poet's point of view.

02:16:28.520 And again, the accusation is more important than the details of how it all makes sense.

02:16:36.500 The accusation of saying that the king of the gods, his wife, is sleeping with her brothers, or with his brothers, is egregious.

02:16:48.560 That's, I think, a big point.

02:16:51.940 and Frigg retorts in 27

02:16:57.520 if a son like Balder were by me now

02:17:02.740 here within Ayers Hall

02:17:04.780 from the sons of the gods

02:17:07.340 thou should go not forth

02:17:09.840 till thy fierceness in fight were tried

02:17:12.680 so basically she says

02:17:15.060 you know if my son was here right now

02:17:17.680 you wouldn't be speaking so kindly

02:17:20.500 and would have to meet an ill fate this goes against a lot of the christianization of balder

02:17:27.860 that was done by snorty and that's again another reason why we don't look at the stories as like

02:17:34.660 biblical or or you know man-made religions appease logic but ours was a culmination of

02:17:44.980 stories but certainly snorty definitely played some stuff there he he heavily heavily christianized

02:17:51.620 um balder and here she's saying no he's he would smite you um versus you know he would

02:18:00.900 turn the other cheek if you will um and i i think that's uh another important point to note you know

02:18:08.900 Some people were speaking on, I believe, Twitter, where they were speaking about how Balder himself is a construction of a Christ-like figure by Snorty alone.

02:18:25.420 And I brought up the point, no, Balder is actually mentioned outside of Snorty's works, whereas Loki isn't.

02:18:33.560 so that's you know worth noting fighting a locian as to the validity of of the divine um but again

02:18:42.000 without their awareness they just seem to understand that uh that that he's not mentioned

02:18:48.180 outside of uh snorty's works but balder is in saxo grammaticus and he's again euhemorized as a man

02:18:56.220 but he is a brutal warrior so um and then loki returns in 28 a retort he says thou wilt then

02:19:09.700 frig that further i tell of the ill that i now uh that now i know mine is the blame

02:19:17.940 that balder's no more thou seest ride home to the hall so there's the that's the tension breaker

02:19:29.860 that's the big crooks that's the zenith of it all is he says i'm the reason that balder is no more

02:19:39.060 um that's you know that's the dun dun moment in the story um because the gods did not know that

02:19:52.260 or you know in the stories and in the in the series of all things to make it like a timeline

02:19:57.620 oh they this this is in between balder's death and what inevitably become the the binding of loki

02:20:05.140 um freya speaks 29 mad thou art loki that known thou makest the wrong and shame thou hast wrought

02:20:21.480 the fate of all does frig no well though herself she say it not so

02:20:30.260 i've always in the stories that i tell you know she stands up and like 0.82

02:20:36.820 just is it you know fiery hot because she's uh she's saying that you know there's no way that

02:20:44.300 um lady frigg could not know this and that you're he's speaking madness he's speaking

02:20:51.280 simply just to drive even an extra sense of hatred in in this as they had lost balder and he was the

02:21:01.080 greatest hero of all the gods um the perfect balance between strength and intelligence beauty

02:21:07.800 and um uh you know presence and command um the the noble soul the the renaissance man if you will

02:21:19.440 You know what I mean. But, you know, and just to be spiteful, you're mad to think that she doesn't know.

02:21:29.040 But it's, you know, again, it is part of that whole tension building.

02:21:35.880 and Loki speaks be silent Freya for fully I know the sinless thou art not thyself of the gods and

02:21:46.080 elves who are gathered here each one as thy lover has lain so he calls her a harlot and says that

02:21:53.240 you know she has slept with everyone in the hall and this this verse in particular is really

02:22:01.020 important i think in emphasizing the point i'm trying to make um in this one there's no cryptic

02:22:11.580 sense of like is there another story about her you know laying with every elf in this hall or

02:22:17.900 what no it's just the insult itself and the value that it has in in our ancestor society 1.00

02:22:25.820 to say that you know she's just a harlot and has laid with everyone in this hall um and that she's

02:22:31.660 not you know free of of of um you know the uh ill illness of an unseemliness if you will

02:22:44.700 but it doesn't lean towards any sort of like strange events brothers or unspoken things

02:22:52.700 and i think that's the one that really i started to kind of feel like wait a minute what if this is

02:22:57.980 just that it's not the details but the weight of the entire comment that has value amongst our

02:23:05.900 our ancestors amongst us i mean it would not be an uncommon thing for you know a drunken churl at

02:23:14.860 the party to right shut up you're a you know right that's a

02:23:24.300 that's insulting in the same way today to you know a lady at a noble event 1.00

02:23:32.700 you know and some drunken jerk comes in to try to start stuff that's an effective way to start 1.00

02:23:41.340 problems. I think that has, that doesn't need a lot of context or translation because it's still 0.97

02:23:49.240 very, very relevant in our time. Yeah. And I should, I'm glad you reemphasize that. It's not

02:23:55.760 that there's a separation like this is allowable in our time. Certainly somebody screaming that

02:24:01.700 someone's a whore is not as eloquent as a poem, but you know, the, yeah, the, the effect is still 0.95

02:24:08.760 the same. And again, just as today and back then, if, if it was in a sanctified place, perhaps a 0.97

02:24:18.120 place placed with oaths that you are not allowed to resort to violence there, and that doing so

02:24:28.960 would somehow affect your hominia and affect the oath, that's the buildup. What are the gods going 0.84

02:24:35.340 do they're bound and he's utilizing that against them to sling all these insults um

02:24:47.900 so yeah that's that's 30 i didn't know if do we have any

02:24:52.220 um more questions between i don't think we have any kind of interlude on that let's just kind of

02:24:58.460 keep rolling with the story oh yeah it's hot right now it's the moment that the holy freya steps in

02:25:04.860 it's like it starts to get pretty spicy um freya speaks false is thy tongue and soon thou shalt find 0.93

02:25:14.620 that it sings thee an evil song the gods are wroth and the goddess is all and in grief thou shalt 0.91

02:25:23.020 go uh thou shalt or grief shalt thou homeward go so now this is starting to level the idea

02:25:31.980 you're safe here but you gotta travel home like outside of this place you might be having a very

02:25:40.860 baleful trip and i think that's you know you know your your tongue is telling lies

02:25:48.140 and it's singing you a song one that is going to bind you um to pain and misery because you

02:25:55.740 you are going back uh you can't go back from this uh but he's all in

02:26:06.460 loki speaks at 32 he says be silent freya thou foulest witch uh and steeped full sore in sin

02:26:17.500 in the arms of thy brother thy bright gods caught me when freya her wind set free

02:26:25.740 So, okay, this verse in particular has always been very, very interesting.

02:26:35.200 um generally it's translated to that loki speaks that the gods or some of some of the gods in

02:26:46.600 prominence found uh her in an incestuous relationship and that she um released gas

02:26:57.820 she she farted is kind of how it's often translated and um i mean in essence that's

02:27:05.140 kind of what he is he is saying so not only is he accusing her of incest but also just of

02:27:11.020 impropriety and and uh turlishness if you will um and again her being of royalty now it is spoken

02:27:20.940 in in the earlier uh that the vanir and the asa um that the vanir did practice this unification

02:27:29.900 between brother and sister and bloodline but that was not accepted amongst the ice here i

02:27:35.620 don't because we know that the the unioning of gods is not like mortals it's clearly about this

02:27:45.660 the, you know, the conflagration of energy, but, and, and what produces out of that, but it was

02:27:52.840 certainly you hemorrhizing the gods towards tribal life. And I think specifically when people talk 0.58

02:27:58.840 about migration period, and we talk about the waves of, you know, stone age, bronze age, and

02:28:06.840 eventually iron age, um, folk coming from the same area as they interluded with each other. I think

02:28:13.820 they had a lot of, you know, cultural issues. And I think that might've been something of

02:28:18.540 that nature, but, um, um, at this point, uh, the father of Freya speaks up in 33, he says,

02:28:40.320 small ill does it work though a woman may have a lord or a lover or both but a wonder it is

02:28:50.320 that this womanish god comes hither though babes he has born so it's

02:28:59.840 it is of no great significance for you to accuse that a woman may have a lord or a lover or both

02:29:14.880 like that that the infidelities of of um of of a woman uh especially just in the speculation

02:29:23.220 but your speculation has even less weight when we factually know that you have turned into a woman 0.73

02:29:32.780 and born children like so you've got the accusations we've got the proof and that

02:29:40.540 would of course make sense because by this time already we you know we've we've talked about uh

02:29:45.660 his going out and unioning with anger and creating the wolf and the foul children.

02:29:58.360 So he's basically saying, you know, your accusations have very little weight

02:30:02.160 when we have so much hard evidence at your ill deeds.

02:30:05.620 uh and loki returns in 34 he says be silent thou thou wast eastward sent was wast eastward sent

02:30:22.060 excuse me to the gods as a hostage given and the daughters of hymir their privy had when when use

02:30:30.760 uh, when use did they make of thy mouth? Oof. So the first part there is, um, again, that the, 0.63

02:30:44.020 the waning, the, the lords of life are seen as to have come from the west. So eastward from that

02:30:52.460 place but in specifics they're talking about um heaven and um that he was a hostage so that is

02:31:03.740 again an attack on his manliness as um instead of being you know a fighter

02:31:08.860 you were part of a peace agreement and then this latter part um

02:31:14.460 himir's daughters are not mentioned

02:31:23.180 anywhere like we just went over himis and i kind of looked around i was like man so 0.97

02:31:32.380 i mean he could have easily have just said the daughters of jotun's use your mouth as a toilet

02:31:39.020 so that just shows you the bombasticness of these insults we don't have any mention of

02:31:48.680 himir's daughters we don't have any mention of their connections so um

02:31:53.620 again the the idea that and you'll see this often as an insult even this is done in skirner's mall

02:32:02.720 where the reference of the idea of having to drink urine urine was seen culturally as a

02:32:09.840 foul substance and it was not something that was meant to be um thrown about lightly it was even

02:32:18.300 so far as to say like you it was not wise for you to go and relieve yourself near near sacred sites

02:32:25.860 because you could stand to get the wrath of the gods or the ancestors or the land spirits

02:32:31.940 um because it was seen as kind of an insult so applying that so pause do we need to contextualize

02:32:39.740 the urine's gross yeah no no no but i definitely want to make point of the that our ancestors did

02:32:49.040 speak of like you could get shot by elves or land spirits um for urinating and and and creating this

02:32:58.280 desecration in a sacred place and urine was always associated with like venom and the idea of um

02:33:08.040 you know the the absence of life it was the stagnation of the body it was the leftovers it

02:33:13.960 was the the kind of distilled poisonous pieces um and that was seen as bad even you know as

02:33:22.280 as of course now and i'm not trying to contextualize it but it's pretty that's a pretty harsh

02:33:27.560 giant urinating in one's mouth i think is understandable by a modern audience as being

02:33:33.960 pretty bad not not a good thing

02:33:40.600 um and this here too speaks of another point that i i often talk about when we talk about

02:33:47.640 lore and some of the people that kind of try to contextualize things this line here um

02:33:56.680 North spoke great was my gain though long was I gone to the gods as a hostage given the son did

02:34:04.240 I have whom no man hates and foremost of the gods is found. A couple of things we've referred to

02:34:10.740 this line before. One is that it seems that and perhaps it isn't again another lost story or

02:34:20.400 that it was just simply understood. But after the hostaging, there was a unification of the gods

02:34:27.760 and that the pathways between Vanaheim and the heavenly realm and Ausgarder were opened up. And

02:34:36.440 so Njordr is not seen as being simply bound in heaven forever, but that has the leeway to move

02:34:49.280 about the other is that at this point the vanir and the icier become one and they all take the

02:34:58.720 title icier there is no vana true you can't just like ounce out the one to the other no they are

02:35:05.920 unified now and under one banner and they speak of um the holy fray as one of the best house

02:35:16.080 so he's referred to as an ausa here not a not a vanir and so you know i wanted to point that out

02:35:23.780 i think a lot of folks get in the weeds trying to sectionalize the gods for different reasons

02:35:29.900 um i think the big thing is they try to feel like bronze age is vanir and iron age is icier and

02:35:40.020 And they want to separate themselves from the mean, evil, Yamnaya, Kurgan, Aryan genociders who came in and the Vanir were just farming and macrame-ing and singing Kumbaya. 0.71

02:35:55.860 It's just a common theme that people try to reemphasize that this was a thing. 0.96

02:36:03.720 I don't think that was a thing.

02:36:04.820 I think they unified and then afterwards they became one.

02:36:08.520 and you can't really, you know, separate the two.

02:36:12.920 And, of course, we've spoken about cosmic order of the Aesir

02:36:16.440 and natural law of the Vanir, but, yeah.

02:36:22.720 Here he's referred to as an ouse.

02:36:27.680 So I'd like to take this moment to thank Sarah Ault,

02:36:31.640 who bought us three coffees.

02:36:33.320 Thank you, Sarah.

02:36:34.020 We appreciate it.

02:36:37.280 Thanks, Sarah.

02:36:38.520 I need to talk to you about homeschooling stuff.

02:36:45.240 Yes, those of you who may not know, Sarah helps us.

02:36:47.740 She's a tremendous force in our homeschooling program.

02:36:53.340 Anybody that's joining us just now and may not have been at the top of the program,

02:36:58.820 this fall we are starting year three of the Ostrue Academy, which is our homeschool program.

02:37:07.400 We've got, I believe, 31 students registered so far, and we're taking students K through 6.

02:37:15.320 So all the elementary school is represented in this year.

02:37:18.780 So that's a lot of advancement.

02:37:21.540 When we first start, we thought, man, all right, we're going to set this goal.

02:37:26.200 We've got to commit to it, but it's going to be hard.

02:37:28.720 We're going to follow that first kindergarten class all the way through and have a new grade level for, you know,

02:37:35.240 by the time they're ready for it so you know we committed to having second grade ready this year

02:37:41.480 and not only that we have all the way up through sixth thanks to the hard work of our volunteers

02:37:47.640 like sarah and like uh dean of the program go through rob sam and all the other wonderful

02:37:54.120 volunteers we got there so thank you guys so much for all the work you do and for

02:37:59.400 for the future that you are crafting for us.

02:38:03.020 We appreciate that.

02:38:08.940 Carry on.

02:38:10.800 No, no.

02:38:11.960 I was just reading a little bit

02:38:14.060 some of the interesting notes down there.

02:38:19.740 So, Loki speaks in 36.

02:38:22.720 He says,

02:38:23.020 Give heed now, Njord, nor boast too high.

02:38:26.180 No longer I hold it hid

02:38:27.900 With thy sister hadst thou a fair son

02:38:31.680 Thus hadst thou no worse a hope

02:38:34.600 So now he's accusing

02:38:37.360 Lord Nyorth of having child

02:38:41.800 With his sister

02:38:43.600 And again this brings up a couple of interesting things

02:38:48.800 One, from that time frame

02:38:51.120 Snorri speaks of

02:38:53.500 uh that frey and freya are born after the war and after the hostaging um which you know is

02:39:05.320 just interesting and then that there's also reference that he brings frey with him but also

02:39:13.380 in the ying linga saga it's mentioned that he you know uh had like relations with his

02:39:21.000 a wife, but again, the Yingling Saga is heavily euhemorized. But I think ultimately, the twin

02:39:30.920 conceptualization throughout the Vanir, as, you know, before the unification, and clearly it

02:39:41.640 presides still thereafter, is that there is a twinning sense of the lord and the lady.

02:39:47.620 And I don't think that that spoke any different from the Lord of Waters and Yarth, the lady of estuary or of lagoons and moorlands and swamp and, you know, saturated lands, the fruitful lands that give, you know, are rich in moisture.

02:40:14.020 um as i think this may lend more towards the um understanding of how the the vanir especially

02:40:23.220 with their close connection to water and the earth produce biphetic children or from each

02:40:31.540 other in order to create like uh you know it's almost like a season uh there's a cyclical nature 0.94

02:40:38.280 to it. Um, but then Tyr speaks in 37, uh, of the heroes, brave is frayed the best here in the home

02:40:53.160 of the gods. He harms not maids, nor the wives of men and the bound and the bound from their

02:41:01.020 fetters. He frees. So this is a super interesting one for a couple of reasons. One it's the goodness

02:41:06.440 of it is is that he he is not a um a seducer of men's wives and he is not one who would take on

02:41:15.980 maidens he's not one who tries to take young girls he's not pursuing them he's he's a man of virtue

02:41:25.200 who you know um does not give his love out so easily so freely which again is the whole kind

02:41:33.400 of point of Skirnermal. And then, you know, that the bounder freed from fetters, this is a trait

02:41:41.160 that's often attributed to Lord Odin, but it's also attributed to the holy fray. And I think that's

02:41:48.780 interesting. I don't, I mean, again, we, we talk about our, our gods is not being pigeonholed in

02:41:54.940 one way or another. And certainly the holy fray was placed in the tripartite, especially amongst

02:42:01.540 the swedes um so you know i just i it's definitely giving a nod to his the very high

02:42:12.020 holding sense that that our ancestors had uh for um the holy fray as being also a god of kinship or

02:42:23.140 kingship so i i and i just i like the fact he's not a he's not a hound dog

02:42:31.460 he gives his heart

02:42:33.160 and is brave and wise

02:42:35.740 and these are seen as good traits

02:42:37.580 Loki speaks

02:42:42.020 38

02:42:43.300 be silent Tyr

02:42:44.820 for between two men

02:42:47.360 friendship thou never couldst fashion

02:42:49.860 fain would I tell

02:42:51.860 how Fenrir wants

02:42:53.200 thy right hand rent from thee

02:42:56.120 so

02:42:57.400 the first thing you notice right away is

02:42:59.660 the gods would know that that's he's stating the obvious um the biggest point here is that it's

02:43:09.000 it's directed towards the audience and it is directed with the sense of establishing lore

02:43:14.820 for the poets to be able to re-utilize um so the emphasis there is really again for the audience

02:43:22.700 um but the for between two men friendship thou never could fashion that i think has again a

02:43:30.260 leaning towards the essence that lord tier is a lord of war not a lord of peace um and uh again

02:43:38.560 you see that leveled a lot that lord ovin and lord tier and are are unable to you know fashion

02:43:47.520 and peace amongst men, but are stirrers of strife and creators.

02:43:51.340 He is not a reconciler of men.

02:43:54.080 Right.

02:43:54.560 Not a, yes, a reconciler of men.

02:43:57.360 So, you know, again, that's just following to fashion, but I think it's emphasized, especially

02:44:03.760 the obvious is, is not, is, is for the audience.

02:44:09.660 um and tear speaks back my hand do i lack but growth vipnir thou and the loss brings longing

02:44:24.460 to both ill fares the wolf who shall ever await in the fetters the fall of the gods so he's saying

02:44:33.000 yes my hand is is gone and Hroth Wittner now Hroth is the same as um it it means like it's it's very

02:44:45.400 similar to like the actually it's funny the name Rudolf so Hroth Wittner and Rudolf share the same

02:44:54.680 kind of root. Hroth, and in the more Germanic, Ruth, or Ruth, which later dropped the H and made

02:45:03.560 rude, means infamous. And Wittnir is the poetic name for a wolf. Obviously, Rood Ulf is a wolf

02:45:14.140 as well. And what makes a wolf famous is their killing. So that's really kind of

02:45:20.480 the the the um the name means uh you know of the famous wolf or the renowned or infamous wolf um

02:45:31.020 so he says yes you know um it is uh it is lost but soon you know ever longing will i and that

02:45:43.460 hand or the that which is in fenris's mouth yearn to be together again and we'll you know we'll find

02:45:51.380 their way there um but he is bound nonetheless until that day comes in ragnarok um

02:46:03.540 and loki says in 40 be silent tear for a son with me thy wife wants chance to win

02:46:10.820 not a penny me thinks what's thou paid for the wrong nor was righted an inch poor wretch

02:46:19.300 so here he basically says your wife tried

02:46:25.240 to get me to sire her and there is no mention of tears wife anywhere else there are some

02:46:35.440 speculations about the worship of the, um, of Zisa in, um, a part of Eastern Germany. Um,

02:46:48.520 outside of that, I have speculations as to the referencing of, um,

02:46:55.100 his wife being actually one of the Ausfineer, but I'm not going to go into that. That's a big, 1.00

02:47:01.520 big egg to open up um but it's not mentioned uh anywhere else so he he's basically just

02:47:09.300 accusing that you're such a poor lover that your wife tried to get me to take her into bed 0.91

02:47:18.040 again these are super big bombastically terrible insults that would get anyone probably killed

02:47:29.100 especially back then so with that we're going to call it for this evening as far as the text goes

02:47:36.480 so we can finish this poem next week um but we do have questions to get to over on the side

02:47:44.340 and i want to get to those and then we'll finish up we don't have a ton left but i'm sure we'll

02:47:51.300 have more questions more stuff to talk about i was gonna uh can i take a break to use the

02:47:56.740 restroom real quick no no yes of course you can all right makes me think of steve martin

02:48:06.660 i'm showing my age okay i'll be right back

02:48:12.820 So I'm taking a second to look at the chat and get up to speed on our questions.

02:48:42.820 so question from the wolf throne um do you think it is important for us to stop using terms like

02:48:58.600 myth mythology and norse mythology for also true to be taken more seriously should we instead use

02:49:06.200 terms like lore etic poems and perhaps scriptures yes absolutely um i agree 100 with what you're

02:49:15.960 suggesting there i think that it depends in a in depth and contextual conversation like we're

02:49:27.020 having here i think talking about mythic time or mythos or mythic structure i think

02:49:40.620 makes sense and is appropriate but certainly when talking to you know in casual conversation

02:49:49.820 just because of the modern associations attached with it using terms like myth

02:49:59.460 make something seem less true than using things like uh i think lore is our default position

02:50:08.180 i think lore is is solid it has an established meaning amongst ausitur and it

02:50:16.600 accomplishes what you want in you know when you're talking to people that aren't familiar

02:50:24.200 um but yeah i don't like norse mythology mythology or myth when talking to

02:50:32.200 um people who are are outside the circle because i think it automatically

02:50:38.580 reinforces an idea of absurdity or untruth so i i prefer lower i think it works good i think

02:50:47.440 scriptures goes too far and

02:50:52.560 is less desirable um but yeah talking about the etic poems or the lore specifically i think is

02:51:04.580 really good way to go with that. Are the wildfires affecting Odinsoff?

02:51:21.480 So, yes, in the sense that it makes our insurance really, really bad.

02:51:26.460 um we are very fortunate and i think we are very blessed um a couple of things first

02:51:36.540 um spiritually i think that we are blessed and i appreciate it that we

02:51:44.300 are spared a lot of the fire issues there um tactically in brownsville where where it's at

02:51:54.600 the airfield that they use to launch some of the fire mitigation efforts is literally like across

02:52:02.920 the street from the hoff the hoff parking lot has traditionally been an area where they can

02:52:09.000 stage emergency vehicles in the town when they're doing firefighting stuff so i think as far as

02:52:15.800 defensible area in the community it's well positioned but yeah it's concerning every time

02:52:23.720 they have, and we've been fortunate for the past few years, but every time there's really bad

02:52:28.020 fire season in Northern California, the fires are always, I say always, the fires are very often

02:52:34.940 uncomfortably close to the hoff. We had, yeah, at midsummer this year, we had a fire like

02:52:43.540 a few hundred yards away, like very, very close to the hoff, but we all did just fine.

02:52:53.720 we got people that look out and monitor that quite often but no so far it hasn't affected

02:53:00.780 the hoff itself it certainly affects our members from time to time and that's always something we

02:53:06.760 try to keep an eye on that's really unfortunate and it's made it to where insurance costs in

02:53:12.720 northern california are absurd because it's not a reasonable thing for companies to insure

02:53:19.880 in the state of california with the current fire management structure so a lot of the time

02:53:26.660 and specifically with the hoff we have to get uh not competitively priced insurance from the state

02:53:34.220 because that's how that situation works so in that sense it is very unfortunate because

02:53:40.220 the insurance there is is much higher than it ought to be but no the actual hoff itself has

02:53:46.520 been and we always worry we're always trying to be on top of it and you know see we can there have

02:53:53.720 been times where we've had to try to pack up important things from the hoff just in case

02:53:59.640 because the area was getting evacuated but no the hoffs uh is safe it has been from the the fires

02:54:15.560 how can we be okay this is a good and practical question how can we be open and honest about

02:54:26.960 being folkish and still keep our jobs and have success in the politically correct world in this

02:54:33.360 politically correct world most people just think we're nazis um i don't know that's true that most

02:54:41.000 people think that i think that the media wants you to think that most people think that

02:54:47.960 and i think that if you leave it for if also true is some kind of secret that you hide from those

02:54:56.520 that you work with and those you interact with and they somehow uncover your secret and then google

02:55:02.760 us i think that probably leaves a bad impression on a lot of folks but where i've seen the most

02:55:10.680 success is when people are just open and honest about who they are and what they believe in

02:55:19.400 and there's a subtlety to it that i shouldn't have to say here but i do

02:55:28.200 there's a big difference the people that i've seen where it reflects very badly on

02:55:33.960 are people who get online and have a fake name

02:55:38.860 and a fake picture and a fake persona.

02:55:42.460 And then they say absurd things

02:55:45.880 that they would never say to someone's face.

02:55:49.240 And they have a pressure valve to release,

02:55:52.820 oftentimes comically and sometimes just out of frustration, 0.90

02:55:58.900 really hateful and ridiculous extreme things.

02:56:02.960 and to your in-group some of those things might be funny but you know hr has no has no sense of 0.83

02:56:12.340 humor um the more that you stand by the things that you say and that you have the presence of

02:56:21.360 mind to say them in a way that you are proud of and that you would say to people's face

02:56:27.360 you're a lot better off there's nothing i'm going to be able to say on here that says no

02:56:32.540 you're 100% safe. It depends on what industry you're in, who your boss is, where you're at.

02:56:38.000 And we got to remember that people listening to the show aren't just in the United States and

02:56:42.100 other countries. You don't have the same protections of free practice of speech and

02:56:47.040 religion that you do here in the United States. But I've seen people be very successful

02:56:53.500 in their lives, being very open about who they are and what their beliefs are.

02:56:59.400 it's a matter of saying it in a dignified way and not just being churlish in how you present

02:57:06.500 yourself but the more people know who you are and then someone wants to come say something bad about

02:57:16.060 you that's much less effect if you treat your beliefs if you act like you're ashamed of who

02:57:23.780 you are and what you believe in then people instinctively pick up on that it's like dealing

02:57:29.860 with animals it's like dealing with people it's like dealing with anyone when you project guiltiness

02:57:37.140 and fear folks instinctively pick up on that i think that we've all seen that with animals

02:57:46.260 if you're cool and you're you know you're not scared then you have a much better better chance

02:57:52.500 when you show especially a predatory animal that you're scared and you start acting shady

02:57:59.460 that sends off every signal to them that you must be up to something wrong and they need to react to

02:58:05.060 it uh best cases that i've seen is people you know at work know who you are nowhere you know that's

02:58:12.580 my thing when i was bouncing everyone knew who i was they knew exactly what i was about you know

02:58:18.340 what i thought what i believed but it was fine because they knew me they that was the understanding

02:58:25.700 that they knew me on from day one they watched as i treated everybody with everybody who deserved it

02:58:32.660 with dignity and respect and i treated everyone well and i was just and kind and not a jerk to

02:58:40.100 everybody and by the time anybody wanted to complain or make a stink or or make accusations

02:58:51.220 my co-workers most of them you know many of them a diverse array of people were like no

02:59:00.100 that's cool that's always treated me fair you know no problem and i think the more you establish

02:59:06.340 that the better situation that you're in the times that i've seen it work very badly for people is

02:59:12.260 like i say when it's some dirty secret that's uncovered and then they're all terrified and

02:59:17.620 squirrely about it or when they've created some absurd alter ego online where they just spew mean

02:59:27.220 things and then you connect that person to the real person i've seen that be damaging as well

02:59:36.100 but no sometimes and again it's never it's never perfect but the courage to stand by your

02:59:44.740 convictions and to as the odin's off flag behind me says to do right and fear no one

02:59:51.140 when you act with confidence and you are respectful and decent about how you present

02:59:58.420 yourself and your beliefs you're in a much much better position and i've seen it happen with a

03:00:03.860 lot of folks people have the worst case scenario in their minds but that is seldom the case in real

03:00:10.820 life it's fine do you have anything to add on that um i would say that yes definitely don't 0.93

03:00:21.860 be a spurg on the internet that's that's good um i think that was a hard lesson for a lot of folks

03:00:27.940 to learn throughout the teens of the 2000s um the other is again the legitimacy of

03:00:41.140 of your actions and the way you conduct yourself um i get asked often i think my biggest

03:00:47.780 uh thing is is again i'm self-employed so i don't have to worry about hr departments uh you know

03:00:54.340 know, caring what the SPLC or the ADL has to say. I think that you, you know, if you're talking

03:01:06.160 about interactions with people at work and you, I hate to say these words just simply because

03:01:15.280 it's society has been conditioned that these words work best. But if you're speaking and we

03:01:22.480 are speaking honestly it's the ethnic faith of the teutonic people if that's too deep you could

03:01:28.640 say you know it's the ethnic faith of northern europeans um the indigenous faith i know that one

03:01:34.600 kind of um is just it's a it's a kosher word that everyone really feels good about and um but

03:01:43.480 But, you know, I have I have had a lot of shut it down.

03:01:53.660 No, they and again, too, me and I was here with a joke because we are kind of inundated in Internet joking and things like that.

03:02:07.300 we still have you know our say about things but we're not again asinine or crazy and and truth

03:02:14.900 be told in our real lives too i think you know because there's internet perception and then

03:02:19.780 there's real life like you know my my children go to a brazilian jiu-jitsu school and the owner and

03:02:27.060 and proprietor of the business is not folk he you know neither is his wife um they are very

03:02:34.180 fundamental christians though um and i was actually more nervous about the difference of religion

03:02:42.580 than them reading the internet and perceiving some things like these people say what what about you

03:02:49.460 or what have you no actually they didn't seem to mind that at all they were just more concerned

03:02:52.980 about the religious difference um but that's because i never gave them the aspect that i was

03:03:01.300 hiding something um same with my my uh people at work that talk to me about it you know i

03:03:09.300 the biggest thing i could i would recommend you do is give them the website runestone.org and

03:03:16.340 let them go and see it themselves and read it and almost 99 of the time everybody that reads that

03:03:25.700 these are our words from us there i know that there there are people out there obviously you

03:03:31.700 know the the smarmy uh communist types that are just gonna be like oh they're lying it's all just

03:03:40.900 you know they they really need to make us so much more of a bad guy and again food drives and all

03:03:49.700 the stuff that we do aside i'm often very curious about that so spawn's right send them to the

03:03:56.660 website to see who we are send them on here have them come listen to this if they would like to

03:04:03.860 and no honestly have them first they're welcome to listen to any of this second if they're here

03:04:10.820 live they're welcome to ask questions um man if i'm leading a hate group i'm really doing it wrong

03:04:22.580 like i i think we're doing we are hate mongering very poorly if that's really what we're doing um

03:04:34.100 and i i often wonder what our detractors genuinely think of what we do

03:04:41.460 any of you who've actually attended any of our site and this is the thing i don't

03:04:47.060 have any pretext that everyone's going to agree with us or everybody's going to you know

03:04:54.180 agree with our religious positions on things or whatever else but the image that we're

03:05:04.260 mean or hateful or like negative people is just not accurate it just isn't and i mean you'll

03:05:16.340 people that know you will give that a second look people that just discover there's this thing

03:05:23.380 you've been hiding the whole time will assume worst and quite honestly sometimes you need to

03:05:30.420 make choices in your life about what jobs what employers you're going to work for what careers

03:05:37.300 you're going to pursue that are going to facilitate you living in a way that's

03:05:43.780 dignified and noble there's sometimes that you may be in a spot where you do need to pursue

03:05:50.180 something differently if your bosses are going to deny you your religious freedoms

03:05:54.900 and that's unfortunate nobody wants to hear that but it's honest and you know none of us can promise

03:06:04.700 there'll be no challenges but the more of us who are open and honest about what we believe

03:06:10.400 and who act with nobility and dignity the easier that makes the next guy who's able to say those

03:06:17.820 things and they're able to have that positive image in their mind of hey i know hey i knew

03:06:23.140 another guy in the the afa outside true whatever he he was really cool he you know he was a great

03:06:30.300 employee he was awesome he treated everybody well the more that we have people do that and not be

03:06:37.380 ashamed of it the easier it is for the next guy and so much of what we do is making

03:06:43.860 is investing in benefits that maybe we don't see in our life maybe it's something that our

03:06:51.700 children reap or that our grandchildren reap the benefits of somebody's got to do it it's one of

03:06:59.180 those things it's like you know it's best time to plant a tree 20 years ago but second best time is

03:07:07.200 today it's it doesn't get any easier by us going out there and setting an example and being a good

03:07:14.020 example we make it very much easier for those who come behind us and it's worth doing um if you

03:07:21.280 mind i'm going to cut in i know uh i have a story and it actually applies to some of the stuff

03:07:26.960 coming up with the sigurheim question but um so shortly after i moved out here to sigurheim of

03:07:35.280 course there was a news article that was written about us and blah blah blah doc's sigurheim and

03:07:40.880 it got all over facebook it got all over the local uh like county groups and all of that

03:07:47.840 and you know a couple people spouting out you know just regurgitating what the what the article said

03:07:55.520 and it's funny because there would be 250 comments from these locals um on these posts

03:08:03.200 and like five people would be like just constantly like regurgitating and trashing

03:08:10.560 and then the other like 100 people commenting are just like

03:08:13.760 Like, we don't know these people.

03:08:16.560 They just got here.

03:08:17.520 Why are we paying attention to this?

03:08:19.400 And just let them be here, and they're probably fine.

03:08:24.900 And that happened over and over again.

03:08:27.460 I had a lady even reach out to me privately, like, through the DMs.

03:08:32.220 And be like, there's people here that don't hate you guys already.

03:08:36.680 We don't know you yet.

03:08:38.020 I'm like, okay.

03:08:38.800 So I ended up actually going, getting a pizza with her and her husband just so she could meet me and talk to me and get to know the person that, you know, just moved here and stuff.

03:08:50.360 We constantly have people stop by out of Sigurheim while we're working.

03:08:55.720 I've had a lady come by and I'm up underneath the lawnmower working on it, trying to fix something because I ran over something.

03:09:04.260 and she offers to help and goes home and grabs uh some ramps so we can ramp the uh the lawnmower

03:09:12.800 up and i can get underneath it easier her husband came by after a couple hours later just to chit

03:09:18.440 chat about that and about mowing uh we just recently at sigger brought had a member from

03:09:24.980 the community right there in whitleyville come by and ask to like be a part of things and get to

03:09:31.060 know us and like join us in blocks and it's it's so i really i think i'm almost bad that

03:09:40.980 kind of stole some of my words and my thoughts on it but he when you're saying at some point like

03:09:47.820 you whether you like to know it or not you have the choice of where you live and where you work

03:09:54.880 And if you can't live your life the way you want to live your life, there are other places you can live and other places you can work and be just as successful and just as happy and not have to worry.

03:10:09.860 Because really, if other people are imposing their problems on you, it's not your responsibility to let that affect you.

03:10:22.220 You know, what is the childhood thing?

03:10:27.600 You know, I'm rubber, you're glue.

03:10:32.520 Whatever you say about soft meat sticks to you.

03:10:34.520 So just move on.

03:10:37.300 And it's more complicated than that.

03:10:41.720 We all understand that.

03:10:43.720 But the principle still applies on some of these things.

03:10:48.120 be true to yourself and find

03:10:53.280 carve out a life that you can be proud of there's a lot of people that

03:11:02.640 sacrifice an awful lot for a career that maybe they'd be a lot happier doing something where

03:11:13.640 they did have the freedom to be themselves and to live in a way they can be be proud and hold their

03:11:20.280 head up it's just something to think about but there's a lot of so nick points out something

03:11:25.480 that's really true the way things are going you know the media wants you to think that everybody

03:11:32.840 hates you they don't there's a lot of people out there that agree with us in a lot of ways

03:11:40.840 with as far as traditional outlooks on traditional values soldier slim that's the thing if you will

03:11:48.920 notice and all right a couple of things first if you will notice the problems do not come 0.99

03:11:56.440 and and here's what i'm saying the big asterisk i'm sure we have some members that are jerks 0.69

03:12:03.240 i think everybody does um but from an organizational level 0.96

03:12:10.840 no our leadership are not that's not who we are that's not the afa that's not the thing

03:12:17.400 we're not mean-spirited people and every when we are in one of the best things about having

03:12:25.320 hoffs and having sigerheim is that real people get to interact with us

03:12:32.600 and see that we're nice folks being noble and helping out in our community and being good people

03:12:38.280 and the left's um negative i guess lies and trying to get people scared of us it backfires

03:12:49.500 every single place we have a real location so the more this is real in your life

03:12:55.680 the more that the lies of the

03:12:59.980 forces of chaos dissipate um we do that by just being ourselves that's the thing

03:13:09.880 we don't do that by you know compromising our values or catering to people we don't agree with

03:13:16.580 we do it by just being honest fair people you know i didn't do that at all and it was kind of

03:13:21.780 a running joke, um, about my, you know,

03:13:29.060 folkishness, uh, amongst my coworkers, uh, when I was bouncing, but it's funny. You know,

03:13:35.940 I was with some of my friends on the weekend and we're in the sketchy part of town and some, 0.96

03:13:40.640 you know, thugged out gangster looking people of color were, were approaching us and everybody's

03:13:47.480 terrified no they want to come give me a big hug and whatever because I always treated them fair 0.95

03:13:53.400 and that's you know what I would want from them that's what I always give people is treating

03:14:00.520 them fairly and you know we're known by our by our deeds we are our deeds so don't

03:14:11.240 I mean we can we can beat the subject to death but by being who you are by living the example

03:14:16.760 And by doing it proudly, every one of us who does it makes it that much easier for the next guy and makes employers or people that interact with us in any circumstance have like, hey, you know, I met an out-of-the-true guy one time and he was cool.

03:14:37.160 He was really nice to me.

03:14:38.700 He, you know, he helped me out one time.

03:14:41.000 He was great.

03:14:42.720 The more of that we can do, the better.

03:14:44.760 And that's just the truth of it.

03:14:49.360 So the next question here from Trent, from Gauthier Trent East.

03:14:56.400 Question for both Ozheri Gauthier and Witten Harrell.

03:15:00.800 What are you each most looking forward to about moving to Sigurheim?

03:15:08.200 Svon, what are you most looking forward to when the Harrells move to the home of victory?

03:15:14.760 two things i think would be really cool one obviously the condensement the ability to be

03:15:20.560 able to just walk across your yard to someone who normally your interactions with are via text or

03:15:28.060 email and it's like or zoom calls it's that that barrier being broken nothing more than i want that

03:15:37.120 to be the case because again i i'm i'm very good with stuff right in front of me but

03:15:43.980 anything in the periphery is so hard for me to attain. Um, I think also too, though,

03:15:54.020 the mark of going there for me would be a testament of, um, being at a certain

03:16:01.160 state in my life financially. Um, I don't intend to go there, um, without having certain

03:16:12.760 things figured out and i think it would it would allow me to cater to my people with my craft

03:16:19.980 um and maybe the local area i don't know but i don't need to like i have to go and find a

03:16:27.160 scramble and do all of this no i think that going there i'd be able to apply my craft and do certain

03:16:34.340 things um with my folk and not have to worry about you know keeping my head above water um

03:16:41.560 So that's going to be a huge part of it. And then on top of that, you know, I had a runic master. I was hearing jokes about like the Shambhala guy living somewhere up in the mountains.

03:16:59.100 No, I had a runic teacher who spoke of a very interesting thing where he saw that the runes of the Elder Futhark specifically were epochs of time.

03:17:14.000 And he thoroughly believed when I was learning under him that we were in the epoch of the sun or solo and that there would come a time in which we would I would bear witness to the transference of the age into the age of the rune that follows the sun.

03:17:36.440 and um i always thought that was a really odd thing for him to say i mean obviously we're

03:17:42.260 talking about the runes so it's not that odd it's it portents is kind of a thing but i i always just

03:17:48.840 was like how would i even know what is what does that even mean how can i determine that

03:17:54.200 and then it all made perfect sense about a year and a half ago so it all started to come into

03:18:00.880 to being so i honestly and truly believe that this is part of a larger willfully manufactured

03:18:12.380 by the divine situation and so to do that would be basically fulfilling the very thing that my

03:18:20.980 rune teacher said would happen that's it's huge it's pretty big but that's what i'm looking forward

03:18:27.540 to spawns got the flowers in his eyes the word from uh shambhala is that um we are we're in the

03:18:37.700 age of tear with sigurheim um i am looking forward to all of the grandiosity and the glory of sitting

03:18:55.060 in the great hall at sigerheim with the hoff to tear on the ridge and the mighty alsa true folk

03:19:04.180 assembly rising around us but all of it and i'm a thousand percent in on all of that

03:19:12.820 coolest thing that i'm looking forward to is

03:19:19.460 i was thinking about this a while ago is just sitting here doing this and having like

03:19:24.020 trent bust in with some nonsense or whatever or hearing you know down the hall you know the young's

03:19:32.660 daughter playing with my daughter hearing these just the day-to-day interaction

03:19:41.060 with our folk to where it's not a special occasion it's not a you know once a month go to the hoff

03:19:49.380 It's not a, you know, let's have a special get together and bring people in from wherever.

03:19:55.260 We're going to do all of that.

03:19:57.380 But just the every day, hey, let's, you know, when I go outside and want to sit on the deck and read something,

03:20:04.760 smoke a cigar, being able to holler over at Daniel and whatever and go over and talk or, you know,

03:20:11.180 Trent and Madison pull up or Madison be out there. 0.90

03:20:14.720 Madison's awesome at making stuff pretty.

03:20:16.860 I'm excited about that.

03:20:18.060 she's going to make sure everything's decorated nice and set up awesome i'm genuinely excited

03:20:24.140 about that um just stuff being able to have our full have that organic day-to-day community of

03:20:33.260 interacting with each other on a daily basis as an extended family um because that's really the dream

03:20:43.180 when i when i first got involved in house true you know that it was let's have people over to

03:20:55.100 my house once a month i can do that let's have people over once a month we'll cook a meal

03:21:00.460 hang out together and that's still something i harken back to matter of fact coming up on saturday

03:21:07.660 if you're in the reno area get a hold of me because i'm having my dinner on this saturday but

03:21:13.180 that's my roots and i still try to do that as much as possible and we'll definitely be doing

03:21:18.920 that out at sigerheim um but bringing in people into my house sitting around my table

03:21:24.820 it's not those times so when that was our only thing we would do a large part of it would be

03:21:33.880 this that i'm saying we would also have bloat and stumble we'll do the higher religious things as

03:21:39.320 well but a lot of it is just spending that time building friendships and building relationships

03:21:46.560 with people I care about around a meal or a task or a hey let's all jump in the car and run to the

03:21:54.640 store whatever it might be it can be the most simple of things but spending that time together

03:22:00.960 when I got started this when this started in my life that's what it was about was trying to bring

03:22:08.060 that closer together i'd always encourage everybody like hey if you guys need to crash here

03:22:12.940 you know whatever trying to elongate that more it was really cool after midsummer a whole bunch

03:22:20.140 of people to get over to uh odentoff in california the big artery is is uh i80 to get over there so

03:22:28.700 a whole lot of people had to come through reno where we live in order to be there so on the way

03:22:34.300 home a number of people kind of stopped off and you know i the erickson's were out here so they

03:22:40.780 were staying at my house and this other you know guy that's lives in uh southern california i'm

03:22:47.260 sorry southern nevada went through reno to get there so he stopped on his way back and

03:22:53.100 you know hung it it was cool to just sit with cliff and uh our buddy from from south nevada

03:22:59.660 dawson just just sitting in the living room you know talking about stuff having a beer whatever

03:23:06.540 spending that time together without the stress of it being an event it just being that's that's what

03:23:12.300 life is when i started going to national events and originally um you know we just had that one

03:23:18.700 in california mid-summer in the sierras i was spending the whole year in anticipation of this

03:23:26.220 one you know four day weekend where i could live the way i wanted where i was surrounded by

03:23:34.140 our afa family and that was like my real life and the rest of the year was spent

03:23:40.460 in anticipation of and facilitating that and then we got other national events i was able

03:23:45.900 to go to as well so you know it moved from four days a year living the life i meant to live

03:23:52.540 to live it you know eight days a year i could live that life and then every step in my life

03:23:58.620 i've tried to get closer and closer to where living surrounded by my afa family with this

03:24:06.220 being our day-to-day is closer and closer to being my reality and sigurheim is kind of the

03:24:12.780 the big step in that and i'm looking forward to all the the grand afa imperium absolutely

03:24:22.540 But just the day-to-day spending my life with my folk, having my family intertwined with their families, and having that day-to-day interaction with people that I care about, I'm very, very much looking forward to that.

03:24:41.960 That day cannot come soon enough for me.

03:24:45.420 And so I'm doing everything in my power to try to make that happen as quick as I can.

03:24:52.540 What is the AFA's stance on adoption?

03:24:56.840 Is it okay for infertile couples in your church to adopt as long as the child is folk? 0.98

03:25:03.000 Of course it is.

03:25:07.040 I don't know if I'm missing something in that or if that's not cool in other places or if there's something different.

03:25:14.920 But, yeah, absolutely, of course.

03:25:16.780 um yeah people that can't have kids we would love to have those folks adopt there are tons of

03:25:24.640 children of our folk that are deeply in need of parents that care about them and want to

03:25:33.060 to take care of them and raise them in a loving family we'd love to have that um a big part of

03:25:41.760 and we take this seriously and I think it isn't the case in every situation but we want to

03:25:50.720 encourage the idea of godparents with our children as well where they have members of our AFA family

03:25:59.500 of our church and our faith community to raise them you know our law speaker Alan Turnage is

03:26:06.820 the godfather of my daughter should something happen to mandy or myself uh you know we would

03:26:12.780 absolutely expect him to adopt her and take care of her and raise her and we would you know do that

03:26:19.840 for for any any children that we're lucky enough to be godparents of um there's two of them out

03:26:29.100 there right now just in case something happens to their parents um one of them you know we're

03:26:34.840 kind of estranged from, but no, we made that commitment. If out of the blue, something happens

03:26:39.020 to them and that child needs something, cool, that's what we're going to do. So yeah, we would

03:26:46.480 highly encourage adoption. Svon, do you see, I don't know, see something I'm not seeing or have

03:26:54.080 anything you want to add on that? No, I think to add, I would say that maybe it would be of a great

03:26:59.960 consideration it hasn't happened yet or at least maybe not openly but the idea is if somebody in

03:27:06.780 the church got a a child through adoption i would definitely beckon them to seek out their their

03:27:17.080 gothar and um affix to starting a um not a name fastening but to fasten that that child to the

03:27:29.220 folk like a name fascinating, um, and like a fostering ceremony, if you will, but a way in

03:27:35.860 which they can, you know, present this child to the community, um, if it was done early on. I know

03:27:43.120 maybe some folk are in now that, you know, they have adopted children that, you know, they just

03:27:49.980 consider their kids and what have you. But I mean, I think for the future, that would be a good

03:27:55.000 consideration as a is um you know making sure that if you do bring a child into the community

03:28:00.620 that you introduce the child to the community just like you would your own child um to kind of

03:28:07.080 further integrate and lock in all of us together that would be my only addition to that but yeah

03:28:14.680 i mean fostering was huge it's big in the um our ancestors times and you know god parents i know

03:28:21.520 that's a christian term um but that's irrelevant you know good good parents um or the good parents

03:28:28.340 the ones who step in when your parents die um or are unable to take care of you uh that's huge

03:28:35.280 that's been throughout all of our history so it's one of the concepts of being a godparent

03:28:40.580 specifically is the idea that they would carry on religious instruction it's one of those things in

03:28:48.840 my will um I wouldn't want Aubrey to go to our next of kin because um my father's not 0.67

03:29:00.760 also true uh nor is is maybe his mother um or her brother I would want Aubrey to go to to Alan

03:29:11.420 because he is going to raise her with our values and with our beliefs

03:29:17.040 and in trough to our gods.

03:29:20.180 And I'm hoping that doesn't happen.

03:29:23.280 We don't have to deal with that.

03:29:24.900 But it makes me feel good having the assurity of that.

03:29:29.660 I think that's really important.

03:29:31.120 So, no, I think that's a, you know, it's not just kind of okay.

03:29:34.040 I think that's a great thing.

03:29:38.980 And then last question tonight.

03:29:41.420 do you think north americans perception of latin languages and culture has been negatively impacted

03:29:49.520 by latin america a lot of people today don't even know that spanish and portuguese are european

03:29:55.800 languages or whenever someone thinks of a spanish person nine times out of ten it's someone of aztec

03:30:03.880 descent and not someone of true spanish european descent yes swan what do you got on this well i

03:30:14.840 wouldn't say latin america because i think latin america does have a very regimented casting system

03:30:22.360 like i remember there was the whole joke of like castizas and then they had this whole like meme

03:30:28.200 about different types of uh uh you know levels in the caste system i remember people joking about

03:30:36.600 that or something um but yeah there's um i think in south america they're very aware of themselves

03:30:45.000 being colonies of spain and colonies of portugal and um that that's not seen outside of the norm

03:30:52.600 it's when you get over the line in texas where suddenly mexican is a race and um you know

03:31:01.160 there's been people on uh youtube they're they're red-headed fair-skinned and they're

03:31:10.040 they're making the whole joke of their tick tock about the fact that they're never considered

03:31:14.120 mexican um or you know like the first time i ever met um a an actual person born and raised

03:31:22.600 in mexico was at a barber shop and i was like this this you're you're from germany where are

03:31:29.700 you from i can hear it in your accent he's like no i'm from mexico it turns out he was um

03:31:35.140 uh third generation german family that built like a a town and had like uh cattle ranches around

03:31:45.620 them and they just stayed within themselves they were way out in the middle of nowhere i mean he

03:31:50.540 had like eight kids and um he says you know yeah i'm mexican i'm i was born in mexico i speak

03:31:56.560 spanish but my native language is is german and i also speak english so i i know that's

03:32:05.360 when we start getting into uh you know if you're born in a country that doesn't make you that i

03:32:13.100 100 agree with that sentiment but

03:32:16.140 mexico is not or is is not a race a lot of people forget that it is a colony at the same time like

03:32:26.580 if that's the route that they want to go then i i do like i mean and i'm sure they would probably

03:32:31.640 be okay with the idea of like them being able to take their nomenclature as like aztec descent or

03:32:37.860 or or meso-american i don't know indigenous if they want to go super crazy but um

03:32:46.980 yeah i mean on the in the reality level mexico's a colony and there's all kinds of you know levels

03:32:53.220 of of folk there there's same with argentina same with chile um but yeah when you get up here and

03:33:00.500 in politics up here they just turn it into this whole other thing where everything's south ted

03:33:06.900 cruz is cuban what's that um ted cruz is a cuban yeah and again they i've even seen that we're

03:33:14.980 like that he's not hispanic he you know he looks too white and it's it is okay so hispanic is i

03:33:23.060 think where the problem comes in there's a thing and i'm questioning about north america i think

03:33:31.940 you run into that but so they conflate on uh that gets conflated a lot on what that means

03:33:45.220 and yeah i think that because of the

03:33:57.620 first i think there's an ignorance of portuguese in general

03:34:02.500 i think that to a lot of people anything south of texas it's all just a flavor of mexico and i think

03:34:12.180 that a lot of people a lot of americans could not find portugal on a map or didn't know it was a

03:34:18.660 country and that's sad to say so i don't really think that factors in because i think that's just

03:34:26.020 negated and i think that the most common interaction with spanish culture for

03:34:38.980 i mean i would assume canada but i don't know certainly for americans

03:34:43.540 is from mexico now it may come from other parts south of mexico but it goes through mexico

03:34:52.500 and in the united states and i think that subconsciously yes there is a very big feeling

03:35:00.660 of other that isn't the case if someone were to speak french or speak german or speak something

03:35:09.540 that they don't associate with a population that looks different than them but then there's all of

03:35:17.300 Of the very Spaniard populace, especially in parts of South America and Chile and Argentina,

03:35:28.740 but also in Mexico, it's really different when you watch the Mexican soap operas versus 0.63

03:35:38.020 the folks you see at the Mexican restaurant or doing the lawn care services.

03:35:45.860 look real different and there's reasons for that so i think that's a an interesting dynamic we have

03:35:53.780 here that you don't have other places but i do think that for a lot of people i think there's a

03:36:00.500 lot of ignorance in american culture in general i think the culture has been very very dumbed down

03:36:07.380 but i do think a common association and if you look just population and on a map the vast majority 0.63

03:36:14.980 of people who speak Spanish are not

03:36:16.940 Spaniards. And I mean,

03:36:18.980 I say that the vast majority of people speaking

03:36:20.920 English are not Englishmen. 1.00

03:36:23.020 Their families have 1.00

03:36:25.040 not been Englishmen in

03:36:26.360 hundreds of

03:36:28.940 years. So

03:36:30.660 it's kind of an interesting take, but I

03:36:32.920 do think you're right. I think a lot of people do

03:36:35.080 confuse

03:36:36.160 Spanish culture, like 1.00

03:36:38.860 Castilian culture, with

03:36:40.780 Mexican or Guatemalan

03:36:43.320 or, you know,

03:36:44.980 South American or Central American culture, because there is that huge overlap.

03:36:52.160 And I think that's, you know, kind of unavoidable to a degree.

03:36:57.300 I want to answer another thing, just because somebody is asking over on the side, and I

03:37:01.840 don't want to duck the question.

03:37:04.040 For the Ausheri Goethe, do you have to work a day job, or are you able to do this full

03:37:08.600 time, not asking negatively?

03:37:10.460 The Pope doesn't work a day job.

03:37:12.000 ideally most people that could in leadership do afa full-time the better the more could get done

03:37:19.900 just curious thanks for the great streams well you're very welcome for the streams um yeah for

03:37:25.200 the past

03:37:25.960 like five years or so this has been what i've done full-time

03:37:39.420 um it's nice that we're at a point to where i can do that we couldn't currently if my wife wasn't

03:37:49.980 you know working a full-time job as well although i do get uh about 1500 a month from the house

03:37:57.000 true folk assembly uh as my um housing allowance stipend um which is extremely helpful and i'm

03:38:05.300 appreciative of. It would be great if we could get to a point where our go-thar were able to do this

03:38:13.240 full-time and be able to raise a family on that income. It would allow us to get so much more

03:38:20.540 done. It's very hard, but I'm extremely blessed that I'm able to do that because our founder,

03:38:27.780 he wasn't able to do that during his time, which made it so much harder for him to be able to

03:38:32.500 get this moving and accomplished um it really is a full-time job and it's a full-time job for

03:38:39.360 a lot of folks that unfortunately are not able to do it full-time so yeah no but i wanted to

03:38:46.440 it's important to answer your question um yeah thank you guys so much for being with us tonight

03:38:55.360 all your great questions your tremendous generosity and uh yeah and you guys being here

03:39:03.720 i appreciate our audience um wherever you find us and yeah consider joining if you're out here

03:39:09.980 you enjoy what we're doing and you're not a member um if you're a heterosexual white person

03:39:16.240 then you should be a member and we would love to have you so please join swan and i next week

03:39:22.280 as we complete our study of the Locasena.

03:39:27.840 We appreciate you guys joining us.

03:39:30.300 And yes, Vaughn, thank you for coming on

03:39:33.080 and sharing your insight with us.

03:39:36.980 Till next time,

03:39:38.640 hail the Iser, hail the folk, hail the AFA.

03:39:41.900 Remember, victory never slips.

03:39:45.220 Good night, everyone.

03:39:52.280 We'll be right back.

03:40:22.280 We'll be right back.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - August 01, 2024

7⧸31⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 108 - Lokasenna, Part 1

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