Asatru Folk Assembly - 7⧸8⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 209 - The Dawn of the Folk

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00:03:00.000 Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:12.040 This is an episode I wanted to do for a little while now.

00:03:16.460 Chris had some birthday obligations last month that prevented his presence, but this is something

00:03:23.300 we've talked about a little bit, wanting to do, and I'm excited for it.

00:03:27.420 um get to the meat and taters here in a bit but first some kind of updates on where we're at

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00:06:05.640 first of its kind we have a special ladies retreat at ubisoft that is coming up in

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00:06:20.280 um again that is just for the ladies and it's going to have meditative workshops

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00:07:11.860 And it promises to be an amazing, amazing weekend.

00:07:18.520 So there is that coming up.

00:07:24.440 I think that's what we've got to start this show.

00:07:31.820 um it's kind of an interesting conversation that chris and i had on where to start the show

00:07:42.320 we wanted to do history stuff and there is a

00:07:46.480 temptation when you do that to where's the best place to start well let's start at the beginning

00:07:55.240 Trouble is, the beginning goes back into the mists of unrecorded prehistory

00:08:02.980 that we don't have a lot of information to go on and a lot of things to say.

00:08:08.400 And it gets into the exciting, the speculative, and the fantastic.

00:08:14.920 Because it entertains me to do so, I will refer to that as the days of high adventure,

00:08:19.680 has uh was talked about in uh in the intro to the conan movies because again that was set in this

00:08:27.800 pre-history time with a fantastic heroic age of amazing things and it's fun to think about

00:08:36.320 those things it's fun to ponder um there's all kind of new very ancient um archaeology theories

00:08:45.440 that come out and get talked about, and I, it gets real complicated to try to sort through

00:08:52.680 all of those things, and quite frankly, to admit all of the things that we don't know

00:08:57.380 about that very, very deep time period.

00:09:00.000 So one of the things that we kind of talked about as a starting point was with language.

00:09:15.440 And I think that's where we start really seeing the solidification, the development of our most ancient ancestors.

00:09:23.240 And importantly, as we've talked about a lot on the program, there is a magic to speech and to being able to say things.

00:09:35.200 you are able to take ideas and concepts and intentions from the world of imagination

00:09:44.800 and birth those into the world of reality in the most, you know, subtle way. You're able to speak

00:09:51.660 them to one another. You're able to communicate them, to share those ideas across distance and

00:09:57.140 across groups. And so I think that is a kind of a hallmark of some things we're going to cover.

00:10:05.200 tonight. Chris, as always, goes above and beyond in the depth of the dives that he takes on these

00:10:13.620 things. So it's going to be an awesome episode. I appreciate everybody joining us. Sit down,

00:10:20.720 have a beverage, and oh, I should throw this out here too. Because Chris is kind of running the

00:10:27.400 show on stuff. I'll interject when I can, but we are, I guess, ask questions whenever you'd like.

00:10:36.380 This is a question and answer program. If Chris sees them and wants to address them because it's

00:10:42.240 necessary to address them, he will. If not, we may say some of the ones that are more unrelated

00:10:48.300 until after he finishes with his lesson for us. So please ask whenever you want, and I promise

00:10:56.580 we will get to your question it just may take us a little bit also know that you can ask questions

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00:11:11.060 vns at runestone.org and the next available opportunity will answer your questions

00:11:18.500 with that folk builder chris savage i hand you the talking stick

00:11:23.140 between the time when the oceans drank atlantis and the rise of the sons of arius there was an

00:11:32.700 age undreamed of all right so we've been on here doing history episodes about our heroes

00:11:43.380 and we haven't really focused on the large crop of them in scandinavia yet

00:11:50.080 And before we started moving into them, I thought it would be worthwhile to lay the groundwork for the audience so they can know what medieval Scandinavia was, in a sense.

00:12:04.000 But that requires explaining what produced medieval Scandinavia.

00:12:07.680 And as the Els Herigothi said, this is a hole that you can keep digging down forever into.

00:12:14.720 but this episode also provides us with a chance to talk about the mythic and historical origins

00:12:25.900 of the European peoples where did we as white people come from what are our origins in a

00:12:33.780 genealogical sense who are we so let's start with how we even can talk about this

00:12:44.520 so you might have heard the word indo-european before this is a term for what is called a

00:12:51.880 linguistic family a linguistic family or a language family is all of the languages that

00:12:59.160 are related at a given level do you want to throw up the first picture nick the spanish tree one

00:13:08.040 so this is all of the language families each one is a separate language family

00:13:13.640 that get us from Spanish, modern Spanish, back towards the farthest back we can go in this

00:13:24.820 lineage. So there's Spanish, and there's languages in the Castian family, languages in the West

00:13:30.440 Iberian family, Ibero-Romance, etc. And you'll notice how you actually have to go back a ways

00:13:36.480 to get to Latin. That is because there are many, many languages that come out of Latin.

00:13:43.800 latin itself is an italic language and i got the uh truth is a virtue i got this image off

00:13:50.360 of wikipedia because it's just easy and i know it's there italic is itself within the italic

00:13:57.400 italic celtic language family so i want to throw out a plug while we got a second before we're too

00:14:02.920 deep wikipedia has its flaws but it's also an amazing resource and the more you go on this

00:14:11.640 kind of stuff the less other interests try to edit some stuff so the wiktionary is awesome

00:14:21.560 and i use it frequently to track down etymological roots of words and trace them back

00:14:28.600 same here i highly highly recommend that to folks if you're ever curious about linguistic

00:14:34.920 roots or what a comparative term is in a different language or just kind of how a word or a concept

00:14:43.400 comes down to us be it in a modern word or when we're studying the lore uh the wiktionary on

00:14:51.000 there is a really really useful tool and it's one that i use often so plug for that

00:14:56.280 it's also useful in as much as if you run into a political barrier put up around a word,

00:15:05.940 you can pretty easily see what the boundaries of that barrier are when you go looking for

00:15:12.260 other things involving that. So on the tree, if you go looking at it,

00:15:18.380 you'll see that it starts with the language of modern Spanish. Spanish is an actual language

00:15:24.800 spoken by human beings today, and then it goes through this tree of language families back to

00:15:37.120 Indo-European. Indo-European is where we cannot take the ancestry back any farther. We take the

00:15:46.160 ancestry back. We do that by comparing all of the languages in a family and looking at the sound

00:15:52.160 changes that they undergo. Sound changes work like this. Eventually, all sounds X in conditions Y

00:16:00.060 will be turned into sound Z. An example is glottalization in English. American

00:16:06.880 glottalization is on D and T. British glottalization is on T. In America, we pronounce

00:16:13.960 W-A-T-R as water. In Britain, they pronounce it as W-A. That's glottalization and a vowel change.

00:16:22.160 We can date when sound changes occur based on when they stop being productive upon loan words.

00:16:28.660 As an example, we know that Grimm's Law stopped being effective on Proto-Germanics sometime before 100 B.C. because the German word Keisel is not Heisel.

00:16:41.280 But we say hundred and hound, hundred and hound, excuse me, instead of kundred and kound because of Grimm's Law.

00:16:49.660 Grimm's Law is this K to H thing.

00:16:53.580 So when the Proto-Germanic tribesmen heard about this Kaisar figure down in Italy,

00:16:59.880 they did not feel the need to call him Haisar because they were no longer doing Grimm's Law.

00:17:05.320 It's no longer a productive sound change.

00:17:07.240 It's ossified.

00:17:09.940 So what if we reversed those sound changes?

00:17:14.340 We have Wua in the UK and water in the US, right?

00:17:18.460 So if we reverse those sound changes, what do we get? Water. So in that example, we have two sound changes, the vowel change in British English, ah to all, and then we have the derotacization, water to water, and then there's that glottalization in Britain.

00:17:39.380 this is why it's a Britain because the T turns into a glottal stop which is

00:17:45.500 where you just the glottal stop is the sound you make in between the up and oh

00:17:51.020 oh right um but American English does a glottal ization to make a flap which is

00:17:58.520 kind of like a sort of sound semantics so if we compare all of the languages

00:18:06.200 that descend from Latin, we can figure out what their ancestor is. That language

00:18:12.140 is Latin. We can guess and check our work. If we take if we take the word

00:18:17.240 lupo and loobo and lup, all of which mean wolf in romance languages, we can

00:18:25.060 reconstruct a hypothetical word lupus from this proto-romance, aka Latin,

00:18:31.340 language. Okay, so we can do that little game to get Latin. What if we took Latin

00:18:40.760 and all of the other ancient Italian languages and put them in, you know, the

00:18:45.320 statistical blender, undid the sound changes? You would get proto-italic. If

00:18:51.260 you do that with all the Germanic languages, Dutch, German, Gothic, Norse,

00:18:56.660 Old English, you get Proto-Germanic. If you do that with all the Slavic languages,

00:19:02.100 Russian, Polish, Slovenian, etc., you get Proto-Slavic. What happens when you take

00:19:08.500 Proto-Italic, Proto-Germanic, Proto-Baltoslavic, etc., and reverse those

00:19:14.820 sound changes? You get Proto-Indo-European. The process dead ends at Proto-Indo-

00:19:22.260 Proto-Indo-European because we cannot compare it to any other languages. We

00:19:27.420 cannot compare Proto-Indo-European to, say, Proto-Sino-Tibetan, the ancestor of

00:19:32.820 most of the languages today in China, because there is too much time between

00:19:36.600 the two. They have changed too much for us to figure out in what order the

00:19:41.200 changes between the two occurred, meaning that we cannot figure out the order in

00:19:45.060 which to unravel the changes and thus produce this hypothetical ancestor if

00:19:48.760 there was one. Which is to say, if you just pick an order of changes at random, you have dozens of

00:19:54.040 possible ancestors and the timing of when each possible ancestor was spoken very wildly because

00:19:58.880 some sound changes take empirically longer to occur than others. Which is to say it's basically

00:20:03.820 impossible and there's no way to come to a firm answer connecting modern English and modern

00:20:09.060 Mandarin. Language families generally have names like Proto-Indo-European for two reasons. One,

00:20:16.000 proto indicates that the language was reconstructed. Proto-Indo-European is not written down anywhere.

00:20:22.480 Now, a very small number of proto-languages do have writing in them. Proto-Norse was reconstructed

00:20:28.080 before we found very old runestones dating to like 300 AD, so some proto-Norse words are actually

00:20:35.280 attested, but that's not the case with most proto-languages. Then they have stupid names like 0.99

00:20:41.200 indo-european because 1700s british aristocrats chose that name because it is the language family 0.99

00:20:48.560 uniting a variety of languages spread across europe and india and then they found anatolian

00:20:55.440 and tokarian which made this more complicated similarly afroasiatic refers to all of the

00:21:02.880 languages spoken in north africa and southwest asia sino-tibetan refers to all of the languages

00:21:09.200 in China and Tibet, not all of them, this language family of related languages, but again not all of

00:21:17.680 the languages in China are in the Sino-Tibetan territory. There are people who speak English

00:21:23.040 in China and Tibet. English is not a Sino-Tibetan language. These naming systems aren't good,

00:21:29.520 they're actually quite poor, and that's because they've been in use since the 1700s when this

00:21:33.280 science was just starting. We also will be getting into talking about material

00:21:38.800 cultures here. Material cultures are references to

00:21:42.320 archaeological discoveries like pottery shards and flint knives.

00:21:47.600 We're also going to talk about archaeogenetic populations and you get 0.94

00:21:50.720 dumb names like bell beaker folk or sredney stog people, 0.96

00:21:55.200 as if Chinamen couldn't drink out of cups shaped like beakers 0.99

00:21:58.480 and Chinamen couldn't die in a field outside of Russia. 0.99

00:22:03.880 It's for this reason why I'm going to use the term Aryan throughout this.

00:22:08.180 We are referring to a specific lineage of people and their specific religious beliefs.

00:22:14.480 We are using discoveries of language, archaeology, and genetics to describe actual human beings,

00:22:19.480 much like ourselves, because they are our ancestors.

00:22:22.780 This isn't an attempt at creating a state-of-the-art summation of every single paper

00:22:28.380 and journal article and whatever monograph in the fields of linguistics, genetics, archaeogenetics, archaeology, etc.

00:22:38.380 It is an attempt at gathering up a large amount of information, some of which is mythic truths given to us by religion and not just by archaeology,

00:22:49.380 to create a usable narrative story,

00:22:54.380 I guess you could say,

00:22:55.560 about where we came from and how we got here.

00:22:58.360 Because if it's not meaningful to us today,

00:23:02.740 it's not all that important.

00:23:04.520 And this sort of stuff is very important.

00:23:06.460 Do you want to throw in anything, sir?

00:23:09.720 Yeah, there's some questions arising,

00:23:14.440 excuse me, about the term Aryan and its use and

00:23:20.340 um i think we would do well to answer those going forward so people know

00:23:26.180 clearly what we're talking about and why we're talking about it um

00:23:33.060 i don't know if you want to inform people about the long-standing use of that term

00:23:39.300 and the relatively new replacement of it by indo-european or or whatnot but we got two

00:23:47.380 questions and i think that you will get to trent's question naturally um the other one that comes up

00:23:55.300 is what is the counter argument that you give to people that say the term arian is mistranslated

00:24:00.980 and does not refer to white people that come into the endless valley before we hit it directly for

00:24:06.340 anybody who's listening maybe it's their first time can you define arian for us us

00:24:17.380 So the term, we're going to get into this a bit more, but in the Proto-Indo-European culture, Yamnaya culture, the problem we run into here is, the problem we run into with some of this stuff is that we need to, at the one hand, make a distinction between a group of people who lived between year whenever to year whenever.

00:24:47.380 as if they weren't related to us, and then we need to be able to remember that they are related to us.

00:24:54.380 You are related to all of your ancestors even though you aren't your ancestors.

00:25:01.380 So we use these terms, we as normal people with wives who go to work and have families use these technical terms like Indo-European and the like,

00:25:13.380 in order to talk about things that matter to us,

00:25:20.180 but when scientists use them, they are using them to be extremely technically precise,

00:25:25.680 more technically precise than is necessary to actually talk about things.

00:25:29.480 The term Aryan comes from a Proto-Indo-European word,

00:25:36.180 or ancient our Aryan word ancient step Aryan early western step herder there's

00:25:45.180 all sorts of words you can use to refer to these people a word meaning upright

00:25:49.620 correct straight the concept of nobility in these people's culture means upright

00:25:59.420 straight like a tree it is upright but it also means correct it means the

00:26:06.080 correct people the right people the people who are proper cross-linguistically this is extremely

00:26:11.600 common most language english is really weird in this regard but like the german word to mean

00:26:18.960 the german people is deutsch which mean which ultimately comes from a proto-germanic word

00:26:24.280 meaning like the race us the people right so a group of people move into the the area in between

00:26:39.120 india and iran and then half of them go west half of them go east they use the word arya

00:26:47.120 to mean correct, upright, proper.

00:26:52.720 I believe it's aryos, aryas in Sanskrit.

00:26:57.120 Aryan actually comes from importing the word arya into English

00:27:02.940 and then putting on, and that N in Aryan is a Latinate suffix.

00:27:08.040 It's not Sanskrit.

00:27:09.540 So it's not, it actually is correct to say that the word Aryan

00:27:13.060 does not come from Sanskrit, but that's not what we mean

00:27:15.340 when we say these things, right?

00:27:17.120 so the people the cattle rearing chariot warriors who move into iran and india and

00:27:27.660 conquer it call themselves aryan and they use this term to refer to themselves

00:27:32.540 it's clinical to say in a biological sense but they they also pretty clearly mean

00:27:39.040 we my kids not you not your kids when they use this term in the early period

00:27:45.740 Over time, it goes on to mean other things. These people who move into India and Iran are called the proto-Indo-Iranic peoples. They come out of Europe. They developed in what is like Belarus, and then said, I wonder what's over that way in the east, and kept going, hit a mountain and said, all right, boys, we're going south.

00:28:10.280 it's not what we it's misleading to say they are white people in a certain sense but they 0.65

00:28:20.140 literally come from a population that at one point was identical and contiguous with people

00:28:27.440 in germany and france go on sir well so just about the terminology not about the group of

00:28:36.540 people per se, it's not a bad word. It didn't become a bad word or a no-no word until it

00:28:48.820 became politically charged and unpopular after the fall of the Third Reich, because

00:28:54.540 uh reich became a term denoting you know the master race in national socialist germany

00:29:03.740 but the leading scholars of the day up to that moment and afterwards until it got the word out

00:29:13.460 that we've got to rename everything no aryan was the term for these people and the recognized

00:29:20.660 commonality in both their culture and their language i suppose as well as their biology

00:29:28.340 between all of our ancestors the ancestors of white people now growing scholarship on what's

00:29:38.260 included and what's not included like branches of the slobs is you know some of those things 0.83

00:29:47.460 are developing fields or were post-war developing fields but no it's a thing and that's the reason

00:29:57.060 that we use it and the question is why do people think it's you know what do i say to people who

00:30:01.140 think it's mistranslated and doesn't mean white people because all of those people have a very

00:30:06.420 clear political agenda it's funny because if you read any of the um more pc stuff

00:30:18.900 they will recognize that there's a continuity of culture and a continuity of language

00:30:24.820 and tradition they will recognize that that continuity was carried by

00:30:29.780 by people by people who were a tribal in group of people but it's like you have to you know

00:30:41.240 kiss the pc ring and say well but that doesn't mean race it just means people with shared

00:30:48.200 blood and shared culture and like they redefine race to make it fit because it's obviously

00:30:55.000 true um but the thing that i think is important is we do see it come down to have that meaning

00:31:02.440 in all of those connected cultures that are bound by language and tradition and it's not

00:31:07.720 just that there's a shared linguistics there's a shared material culture there's a shared

00:31:12.440 set of traditions and very informative to what we do there's a shared religiosity and a continuous

00:31:19.560 religious um and while i'm on on the soapbox here for a moment with this that's one of the reasons

00:31:26.680 that this becomes a very important discussion for us to have a lot of people and i should have said

00:31:33.800 this at the top of the show but i suppose now is as good a time as any um people wonder like but

00:31:39.960 But, but what if I'm not Scandinavian and they, it's very easy when we look back at history with the distance of hundreds of thousands of years to just quick snapshot a moment in time and not ponder, cool, but where did those people come from?

00:32:02.720 All right, but where did those people come from?

00:32:05.040 Okay, but where did the people before that come from?

00:32:07.660 Our people had a start point where in the lore, where Odin, Vili, and Ve gave life and sacrality and goodly hue and animating force and spark of divinity to ask an embla upon an ancient shore

00:32:35.020 that sprung forth our people.

00:32:38.020 There was a moment where the Iser and our people met.

00:32:44.020 Those gods have been with us since that moment.

00:32:47.620 And that moment, by any understanding of history,

00:32:51.560 predates the Scandinavians.

00:32:53.580 And it predates the people who came before that.

00:32:56.680 And it predates where they were before that.

00:32:59.920 And it goes back to this ancient period of days of high adventure and are being articulated in the period that Chris is about to talk to us about.

00:33:10.940 And that's one of the reasons that this is a foundational concept that I would like people to think on.

00:33:19.420 So if you go to Wiktionary, you will see a common reference to the citation of the text.

00:33:26.620 this 1959 book

00:33:30.000 by Julius Pokornu

00:33:32.060 Indo-Germanisches

00:33:34.160 etymologisches Wetterbuch

00:33:35.580 Indo-Germanisches

00:33:38.600 Indo-German

00:33:40.100 which he's using to mean Indo-European

00:33:42.140 but you can also see

00:33:43.580 Ario-Germanische

00:33:45.420 or Germano-Indo

00:33:47.880 or

00:33:48.200 I saw one time a historical reference

00:33:52.120 to Indo-Ario-Germano-Euro

00:33:54.460 as if

00:33:55.820 there's a lot of terms that get used for these aryan aria whatever has been in western usage

00:34:08.460 since the 1700s the country of india was founded in 1950 this is a loan word into english in the

00:34:18.080 same way that coffee is. Yeah, it's technically a loan word. It's ours now. We don't have a choice.

00:34:26.400 We don't have some cute Englishism we could return to. Now, Proto-Germanic did actually have 0.95

00:34:31.980 a sister word to Sanskrit, Arias, which was Arias, and Proto-Celtic, of course, has Arios,

00:34:41.620 which one possible etymology is

00:34:44.060 cheirios, a pronounter European word.

00:34:49.400 And I have to thank the alzheriogothi

00:34:51.060 for straightening that matter out,

00:34:53.140 as he is our chregs,

00:34:55.960 which means king,

00:34:57.480 but it actually means the one who straightens,

00:34:59.880 the one who rightens.

00:35:02.260 This emphasis on straightness, uprightness,

00:35:06.680 as being correct,

00:35:08.020 as being what correctness means to be

00:35:11.220 is carried forward in Indo-European cultures

00:35:15.400 even if they don't use one specific word to refer to it.

00:35:19.160 We don't use the Proto-Germanic descended word

00:35:24.700 that's equivalent to Latin rex, Celtic re.

00:35:28.080 We still use right, straight, upright to mean good, right?

00:35:36.200 I didn't even mean to do that right there,

00:35:38.020 but it demonstrates the problem.

00:35:41.340 So I think that answers both Trent's questions and Gerard's question here.

00:35:52.620 It's used in Sanskrit.

00:35:54.340 It's used in Proto-Celtic.

00:35:55.780 It's used in Proto-Germanic.

00:35:57.000 It's a very old term because it is of our people, our ancestry, our ancestors.

00:36:05.100 If we take all of this linguistic stuff, as far back as we can go, we can link almost all of the languages of Europe, but not all of the languages of the world, and a very small number of languages of Europe, like Basque, Etruscan, Finnish, Hungarian, back to this Proto-Indo-European.

00:36:23.840 So we can say things about these people linguistically and genetically, but let's talk about them a bit more historically.

00:36:30.600 Who were these people?

00:36:31.420 Around 6000 BC, the Proto-Indo-Europeans lived in their so-called Urheimat, the steppe just north of what is today the Crimea Peninsula in the Ukraine.

00:36:42.420 Urheimat is a region where a language, and thus people, develops.

00:36:48.420 The Urheimat of the English language and the English people is in England, for example.

00:36:53.420 A steppe is a prairie but in Eurasia. 0.99

00:36:56.420 These peoples are the dominant ancestral group that composes the modern white 0.99

00:37:03.500 man. Their language, their culture, and their religion, by which we mean

00:37:07.040 relationship with the divine, is what characterizes us today. Again, the

00:37:11.660 exceptions are the Basques, Hungarians, Finns. No one speaks Etruscan anymore, so

00:37:16.140 those don't count. Maltese also isn't included in this. The Basques, Hungarians,

00:37:23.960 and Finns. These people are white genetically, but speak non-Indo-European 1.00

00:37:27.560 languages. Pi, Proto-Indo-European, early Aryan, is characterized by having four

00:37:35.360 vowels, a, a, o, and o, distinguished by those two qualitative differences and

00:37:42.320 length. It also had three laryngeals, so-called. These are and these

00:37:51.140 consonants colored the vowels, changing them, and importantly, how a certain

00:37:55.940 laryngeal vowel combinations changed as the Arians spread out impacted the

00:37:59.880 various daughter languages of Proto-New European today. Spanish, French, Italian,

00:38:05.100 these are daughter languages of Latin. Spanish, French, Italian are all sister

00:38:10.680 languages. So as an example, the name of the dawn goddess was Heosos, but in

00:38:17.880 ancient Greek, she's eos. In Old English, she's eostre. In Latin, she's aurora. And in Sanskrit,

00:38:25.320 she's ushas. How that che got deformed over time varies language to language. 0.98

00:38:34.720 Note the vowel similarity between Greek and English, eos and eostre, but the divergence

00:38:41.100 from Latin and Sanskrit, aurora and ushas. None of the laryngeals survive into the daughter languages,

00:38:49.260 or so it was thought, until the decipherment of the Anatolian Indo-European languages,

00:38:55.820 like Hittite, Luian. As an aside, Luian is the language that the Trojans

00:39:01.580 speak in the Iliad. Anyways, with the discovery of the laryngeals in the Anatolian family,

00:39:10.300 the indo-european theory theory as an intellectual system was sealed as fact in linguistics when

00:39:19.100 up until this point for about a century the laryngeal theory was a pleasing hypothesis

00:39:24.460 initially proposed by but with the discovery of the laryngeals in hittite and louis and so on

00:39:32.540 it became fact now it could produce novel predictions that came true these

00:39:43.140 Aryans were a Neolithic people meaning they used stone tools copper was 0.75

00:39:48.160 cutting-edge and foreign as they ruled out of there are were high mat on their

00:39:51.820 chariots they had complex terms for cattle cattle rearing charity parts these

00:39:56.820 terms survived to this day the two that I remember off the top of my head are

00:40:00.940 wheel and fill. The fill is the rod that connects the chariot's bucket, the body, to the straps of

00:40:10.100 the horses. So if you've ever watched Prince of Egypt, not about our people, but I think many of

00:40:16.700 us have seen it, when Ramses and Moses, Moshe is his property, whatever, are riding their chariots

00:40:25.080 rampantly at the beginning. They're like holding on to the reins and then like digging their 0.51

00:40:30.840 feet into the chariot to pull the chariot forward. That's not how a chariot works.

00:40:35.080 There's a rod that connects the chariot to the horse, right? Anyways, our Aryan

00:40:44.880 ancestors, the Proto-Indo-Europeans, had composite bows. Their arrows were tipped

00:40:49.320 with stone and were used for both war and hunting. They had complex words for

00:40:53.760 family members and made distinctions between things like maternal uncle and

00:40:57.880 paternal uncle. Cross-culturally, this indicates a society in which lineage mattered rather than

00:41:03.760 clan membership. Society was characterized by the houses of the fathers, literally. Society was

00:41:10.060 made up of households ruled by a singular father, who wasn't necessarily the biological paternal

00:41:15.980 ancestor of everyone present. These fathers came together to decide business. Linguistically,

00:41:22.600 today we have father, mother, sister, son. There's no er in son. That is because that er in mother,

00:41:33.920 father, sister is a very distant relic of the family system, meaning, you know, like that which

00:41:41.040 is of the father. The son is a future father. The words guest and host come from a common origin,

00:41:49.000 meaning one who has come from outside hospitality is a virtue and outsiders

00:41:53.820 who came from abroad peacefully were treated well but hospitality is a virtue

00:41:58.220 in part because it cannot be expected and the Proto-Indo-European root Proto-Indo-

00:42:02.960 European gets shortened to pie in speech just for ease is ghostis and this often

00:42:11.140 evolved into a word meaning foe or outsider the English cognate is actually

00:42:15.880 ghost, meaning the outsider. They had two words for blood, one if it was in you or if it was outside

00:42:24.760 of you. Blood was a passive substance, possessed yet animating, or a result of struggle lost

00:42:30.520 unwillingly. The only color they reliably distinguished was red. All other colors were

00:42:35.680 something like X bright, Y light, or Z dark. This is where the phrase wine dark sea in Homer comes

00:42:41.720 from, so you'd have like, you know, snow bright, snow light, and snow dark. They didn't really

00:42:47.460 describe things in terms of color, but rather in terms of the sum total visual appearance of a

00:42:51.680 thing and how light moved across it. This is why there's no uniform, singular, Proto-Indo-European

00:42:57.720 reconstructable word for blue. Cross-linguistically, people tend to get more color words as they get

00:43:03.500 increasingly more access to dyes, the exception being red, which is actually in reference to blood.

00:43:09.920 these step herders did not have dyes they lacked a word for blue as I said

00:43:16.700 because blue is actually there's nothing natural in blue there's nothing in

00:43:21.620 nature that's blue except the sky right even blueberries are actually purple so

00:43:28.760 these people were very concerned with obligation and exchange of gifts the

00:43:32.620 gift cycle was core to their society and was foundational to their religion as I

00:43:37.580 As I said, their word for king was hregs, meaning something like the one who straightens.

00:43:44.580 Kings were not so much high priests in the sense of technical specialists, but rather the moral pillar.

00:43:49.580 It was their job to ensure that the world was a right.

00:43:53.580 The word for honey and mead are very old.

00:44:01.580 Words for beer, wine, and other liquors are very more recent.

00:44:06.580 so they would ferment honey to make alcohol the sacred beverage is an

00:44:12.460 important aspect of their religion and it survives in its original form as a

00:44:17.140 need in you know Scandinavian Germanic religion but in Hellenic religion it

00:44:22.980 becomes wine the Proto-Indo-Iranic peoples realize they can make this kind

00:44:27.640 of like coffee substance soma or hauma from reeds and that that replaces that

00:44:36.080 but the Proto-Indo-European peoples are typically viewed as very patriarchal

00:44:42.020 because they're literally led by fathers, right? But they actually had a singular

00:44:46.040 word for widow and its daughter word in English is widow. From

00:44:53.200 this word is important because it means that a woman who had a dead husband had

00:44:59.080 like legal rights and claims to his stuff. These people were obsessed with cows. Widows had a 1.00

00:45:08.820 right to her, a widow had a right to her husband's cattle. Calling a woman like a cow was a good thing 1.00

00:45:15.220 on the steppe circa 500 BC. Bopis, meaning cow-eyed, is a term of endearment in Homer, for example. 1.00

00:45:23.180 cows were literally the unit of wealth the English word fee comes from a word

00:45:28.400 meaning cow so when you ask someone like what's the fee you're asking them like

00:45:32.780 how many cows do I have to pay you for this the oldest strata of these people

00:45:38.180 weren't all that lactose tolerant we white people today are characterized by

00:45:42.560 lactose tolerance right um what our cattle herding step ancestors did it was

00:45:49.340 actually, they would collect the milk and they'd make cheese and butter and

00:45:53.240 yogurt. Nevertheless, many of them seem to have still drank huge qualities of

00:45:58.300 milk and just tanked through the digestive discomfort. One theory about

00:46:04.940 this is that it's actually done to quench thirst rather than to acquire

00:46:08.300 nutrients. There have actually been bodies found of dead children who were

00:46:16.240 anemic and they suffered from a very characteristic malady of drinking so much milk that they

00:46:23.040 developed anemia because they were literally surviving on liquid milk and other dairy products,

00:46:29.440 right? So these people drank a lot of milk and ate a lot of cheese and butter and yogurt.

00:46:35.920 Mongolians will do this cool thing where they'll like ferment milk to make alcohol. I don't know

00:46:41.280 know if there's any evidence of that, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless. They appear to

00:46:47.020 have been largely monogamous, although of course elite men had multiple concubines, but it seems

00:46:52.660 that they would only ever have one wife. This has always been something that struck me, but you read

00:46:59.740 about like Greek mythology and you know how Zeus is always cheating on his wife. You know what he

00:47:04.200 never does, divorces Hera. Food for thought. They probably didn't have temples initially, although

00:47:11.340 they did view the household as sacred. Literally, entering a building means you have to act

00:47:16.160 differently. That's a step thing. Their language was inflectionally rich, although much of that

00:47:22.440 does not survive into English today, except in the plural, and they had an extreme, and the

00:47:29.180 the Saxon genitive excuse me so like dogs dogs right the dogs of the dogs

00:47:35.000 dogs that is actually an ancestor a very distant descendant of Proto-Indo-European

00:47:40.100 the language had an extremely free word order and engaged in compounding often

00:47:44.940 so like all father is a compound right interestingly whereas a common feature

00:47:52.940 of Indo-European languages today is gender masculine feminine and neuter

00:47:58.220 Proto-Indo-European did not actually do that. It had animate and inanimate, so

00:48:04.720 what ended up happening... I'm gonna make a lot of simplifications for the audience

00:48:10.340 here, and some nerd is gonna get really upset, and I understand, but they're

00:48:15.840 trying to do things with this, not just have nerd fun time. So Proto-Indo-

00:48:21.840 European made a distinction between animate and inanimate nouns, but it also

00:48:25.860 had a feminizing suffix equivalent to uh or at you know you have like princess uh um like

00:48:37.700 shopper shopette right so a feminizing suffix would be added to inanimate nouns to make them

00:48:48.900 animate but also like ladylike and eventually what happened is

00:48:52.420 inanimate nouns that had been feminized became the feminine gender and animate nouns that were

00:49:01.360 not feminized became masculine inanimate nouns became neuter masculine feminine neuter does not

00:49:08.260 actually have any specific relationship to gender sometimes like um there's a famous quote from uh

00:49:18.320 Mark Twain, I say famous, I can't remember it word for word, where he's complaining about how German is a silly language because the word for sock is masculine, but table is feminine.

00:49:28.060 Socks and tables aren't masculine or feminine.

00:49:29.940 These are a relic of this older animacy system, right?

00:49:35.900 So, we talk about these Proto-Indo-Europeans. 0.77

00:49:41.660 And I said they make up the dominant strain of what is the white man.

00:49:45.980 Can we go back further?

00:49:48.320 do you want to throw anything in before we go back further sir

00:49:56.560 um yeah actually because you threw it to me i will do this um thank you very much

00:50:02.800 ronald blake we appreciate you uh donated a hundred dollars to the pavilion and a hundred

00:50:08.560 dollars to help pay off phrasehoff much appreciated thank you um laroi donated twenty dollars each

00:50:16.880 towards paying off phrase off and towards the pavilion thank you laroi we appreciate you uh merci

00:50:24.080 um and angela donated twenty dollars or twenty five dollars towards the pavilion and 50 to pay

00:50:31.840 off phrase off thank you very much angela we appreciate you guys we appreciate everybody's

00:50:36.080 generosity a lot no we're good chris if you would take us back to the days when ice covered much of

00:50:43.840 the earth two or three years ago it was just another snake cult now they're everywhere 0.65

00:50:55.600 all right so where did these cattle rearing chariot warriors come from i'm going to give 0.92

00:51:04.560 you a relatively simplified mythic if you will rundown of how we get to white people in europe

00:51:10.560 today. We're gonna be making very broad generalizations across tens of thousands

00:51:15.420 of years due to the vastness of the time scale and the necessity of compressing

00:51:19.740 this into something that we as humans can actually do something with. So I'm

00:51:24.840 sure there's going to be some guy who watches this and goes, um, actually, because

00:51:30.160 that's not the point. This is not a point-by-point rundown of all of the

00:51:33.940 discoveries of a massive field of science. It is an explanation of the

00:51:37.760 discoveries of that field for humans to actually use in their daily lives.

00:51:42.560 Our religion is an ethno-religion deeply concerned with the ethnic relationship between us, Aryans,

00:51:49.240 and the Aesir. I am thus going to answer the question, according to Asatru, where do we come

00:51:54.680 from? So let's begin. So there are early hunter-gatherers living in Europe. They find

00:52:02.060 themselves increasingly penned in by glaciers and tundra and cold and dry.

00:52:08.780 It is here that we have the mythic couple of Oskar and Aimbla.

00:52:13.740 26 to 20,000 years ago, the last Ice Age occurs. Do you want to put up the insert or the

00:52:22.940 Ice Age Refugia picture, Nick? I don't trip over my tongue. All right.

00:52:29.420 The hunter-gatherer populations experience a massive population contraction. To the south,

00:52:36.380 uncrossable water. To the north and east, extreme cold and extremely dry conditions. To the southeast,

00:52:43.460 it becomes increasingly dry and cold, making crossing the ocean difficult. Lower sea levels

00:52:48.180 meant that the waterways were thinner, but still quite large, and there are no land bridges. Sheets

00:52:54.420 of ice and field fields of cold form a thick wall around the populace of Europe, separating their

00:53:01.140 lineage from the rest of the planet. It is these people that we descend from, specifically the 0.81

00:53:06.740 people in purple. There's two refugia in Europe. A refugia is, so you know, there's there's like 1.00

00:53:14.340 weasels everywhere in Europe in the the green, right? And then it gets too cold, and the only 0.90

00:53:20.500 places the weasels can survive in are the bronzy color on the left and purple color in the on the 1.00

00:53:28.020 right in the east and west in the west we have the salutrians they contribute little dna to us 0.95

00:53:35.940 today but they are there and then we have the epigravetians in the purple salutrian and

00:53:43.140 epigravetian are terms for material cultures these people are trapped in ice metaphorically speaking

00:53:50.340 for about 6,000 years. By comparison, 6,000 years ago today was

00:53:58.820 3,974 BC, so 4,000 BC. Between 4,000 BC and today is the span of

00:54:11.060 time we're talking about. You see why we have to kind of blur this around?

00:54:15.860 We're talking about material cultures. We know about them from the artifacts

00:54:19.700 and the dead bodies that they leave behind think uh tools bones and clothing in caves so if some

00:54:26.100 guy gets eaten by a bear and the bear digests his bones we don't know anything about his dna

00:54:31.140 surviving to us today this is an archaeological truism called pots aren't people material cultures

00:54:40.340 are ways of making things they aren't people the epigravetian material culture experienced several

00:54:46.100 internal gene shifts that aren't reflected in their material culture.

00:54:50.340 So, for example, Ireland has people who have red hair, blonde hair,

00:54:54.900 brown hair, and black hair in it. If everyone in Ireland except the black 0.99

00:54:59.060 haired people died, that is a population bottleneck, 0.94

00:55:02.660 and everyone going forward has black hair. 0.66

00:55:06.580 Prehistory is characterized by a lot of population bottlenecks.

00:55:12.180 90 percent of the people die and the remaining 10 their children inherit the earth

00:55:18.020 and whatever genes they had whatever little quirks they had those go on to characterize

00:55:22.500 the descendants these people are also largely monogamous and the decreases in the number of

00:55:28.820 male lineages tend to have a decrease in the number of female lineages not necessarily one

00:55:33.620 to one but you know like oh no 90 of us died off and then the the elites are like i will bear the

00:55:42.980 blunt the brunt the blunt of the burden i will take two wives instead of just one but it's not

00:55:49.140 like every man has six wives in hunter-gatherer land right these ice age refugia now let me talk 0.84

00:55:58.820 about haplogroups so we don't make people mad okay so humans have dna your dna gets chopped up

00:56:06.500 and compressed into chromosomes you have a number of chromosomes and they're in pairs

00:56:14.100 when your parents uh love each other very much and do the birds and the bees

00:56:20.260 their chromosomes unfold and splice together so you are half of your mother and half of your father

00:56:28.820 unless you're man or unless you're male excuse me if you are male you're about 50 0.62

00:56:36.320 I did the math once I'm just going to say one percent because it's easier to say

00:56:40.460 you are 51 percent your father 49 percent your mother because you see your mom and your dad

00:56:47.320 have pairs of chromosomes that you know combine merge 50 percent go on to be you from each right 0.71

00:56:54.740 except the y chromosome a man a human man has an x chromosome and a y chromosome a human female has

00:57:03.560 an x chromosome and an x chromosome so if you are a man your x chromosome is 50 your father's and 50

00:57:10.240 your mother's now your y chromosome if you look at the chromosomes they're all x's like literally

00:57:17.720 they look like the letter x a y chromosome looks like just a little little letter like just a little

00:57:23.620 line. At the TIPS, it can engage in recombination with your mother's second X chromosome. And

00:57:32.100 every generation, that happens. The TIPS are about 2.5% of the Y chromosome each,

00:57:39.700 meaning 5% of a man's Y chromosome actually comes from his mother's X chromosome.

00:57:49.380 The remaining 95% is just his father's Y chromosome, meaning my Y chromosome is 95% of my father's Y chromosome.

00:58:01.340 And my father's Y chromosome was 95% of his father's Y chromosome.

00:58:06.360 The same 95%, because the tips keep getting chopped off and smudged up every generation, but the rest of the interior of the Y chromosome doesn't.

00:58:16.160 So the only thing that changes is mutation.

00:58:20.160 So you could take my Y chromosome, my father's Y chromosome, his father's Y chromosome, etc.,

00:58:25.160 and actually trace out the mutations generation by generation.

00:58:28.160 This is called your haplogroup.

00:58:32.160 Your haplogroup is, to be overly simplistic, a record of your paternal lineage.

00:58:39.160 Only men have one of these. Women don't because it's on the Y chromosome. 0.96

00:58:43.160 So, you hear people talk about, like, haplogroup R1a, haplogroup R1b, haplogroup 05m29.

00:58:54.040 These are, we found some dead guy, we tested his DNA, we looked at his Y chromosome.

00:59:01.760 Wow, it looks like this.

00:59:04.820 We found some other dead guy, we tested his Y chromosome.

00:59:07.660 Wow, it looks like that.

00:59:09.120 And you can look at the differences in their Y chromosomes.

00:59:13.160 to see these lineages right so women had and men have this too women and men both have mitochondria

00:59:24.840 you get your mitochondrial dna from your mother because it comes from the ovum uh sperm can carry

00:59:33.160 small amounts of mitochondrial and dna and inject small amounts of mitochondrial dna but it's it's

00:59:37.240 It's small.

00:59:38.920 Again, it's like 95% of your mitochondria comes from your mom at minimum, right?

00:59:44.100 So we can do this lineage thing with human females as well and with human males to see a maternal lineage, right?

00:59:53.340 Okay, back to the Ice Age. 0.94

00:59:57.120 These Ice Age refugi are not tropical.

01:00:00.100 They are similar in climate to Scotland, Patagonia, or Mongolia. 0.97

01:00:04.420 Cool and dry summers, chilly and snowy winters.

01:00:07.840 The rest of Europe is either glacier. 1.00

01:00:11.080 Throw the refugia picture up, will you, Nick? 1.00

01:00:14.100 Back up. 0.99

01:00:20.760 No? Okay.

01:00:22.740 So there's a glacier. Okay, here we go.

01:00:24.860 The white, that's glacier.

01:00:27.900 The purple and orange is where humans can live.

01:00:31.820 humans where humans do live the green is not necessarily all that habitable the area that

01:00:40.480 is today germany and this is this map is really simplified these glaciers move and they are bigger

01:00:46.480 at times than they are here if you want to know what it's like in france at this time

01:00:52.340 go check out nunavut or northern alaska in the summer there's plants growing there but it's very

01:00:59.140 cold. The people in these, most of the trees in these refugia are pine, except for sheltered

01:01:07.380 valleys where deciduous trees survive. Overall, temperatures are about 10 degrees Celsius colder

01:01:12.820 than at any point in the season today. That's a big change. 25 degrees Celsius is 77 degrees

01:01:19.740 Fahrenheit. 15 degrees Celsius is 59 degrees Fahrenheit. So big drop. We're talking about,

01:01:28.200 You know, oh boy, 59 degrees Fahrenheit, a high in the summer, right?

01:01:36.500 So the people in these refugia are essentially penned into habitable zones by the ocean and huge stretches of cold steppe. 0.73

01:01:43.060 One could head southeast into Anatolia, but there was little reason to do so at this time, as Anatolia was actually less appealing than the Balkan refugia.

01:01:53.020 The uninhabitable zone was more like an extremely cold grassland than Antarctica.

01:01:58.200 until you hit the metaphorical mile-high wall of solid blue ice in the north.

01:02:04.980 The problem was that the winds could suddenly strip all of the heat out of an area with no warning,

01:02:09.400 and the sky could dump a huge amount of snow onto a region out of nowhere.

01:02:13.140 Not that there were walls of ice and snow, until you did hit the literal wall of ice.

01:02:18.500 There were, at various points, glacial edges, which again are huge walls.

01:02:23.380 Some of these were like, at points, there were like human settlements within a day or two's walk, leisurely, like at a leisurely pace, to the wall of ice.

01:02:35.280 So people knew the wall of ice to the north, right?

01:02:41.560 Most of Europe was quite dry, so it was more so extremely cold rather than extremely snowy, right?

01:02:48.060 This is why megafauna, which had evolved a great deal of body fat and fur and size, could move around in these uninhabitable zones.

01:02:58.320 They would graze on the plants freely, and if they ever came to a spot where it was simply too cold for plants to grow well,

01:03:04.840 they'd just walk somewhere else and survive because they could go for a long time without eating.

01:03:09.280 Or they'd just eat half-living grass on the ground, and they'd be fine.

01:03:12.540 humans couldn't eat the plants in the uninhabitable zone so they we our

01:03:19.500 ancestors would have to hunt megafauna or stay in the habitable zones where

01:03:23.160 there were edible plants it's worth noting um we talked about the ice age

01:03:29.520 ending technically it doesn't there's still glaciers at the North Pole so we

01:03:34.620 technically live in an ice age that's why you'll see this period referred to

01:03:38.400 as the last glacial maximum, the point at which the glaciers, as they call them across the pond,

01:03:45.200 were southernmost. So when we say the ice age ends, we mean like you can grow plants. In Denmark,

01:03:54.960 we don't mean there's no more glaciers. From the Epigravedian block, we get several populations.

01:04:04.160 first we get the hunter gatherers who stay in europe uh did i miss a thing here do you

01:04:10.240 want to say anything real quick sir while i look for something um sure i'll say stuff first thing

01:04:17.680 i'll say is steven in japan thank you uh we appreciate your donations ten dollars phrase

01:04:23.280 off and five towards the pavilion uh you are a consistent donor on here and it's very much

01:04:28.800 appreciated um yeah i mean i don't want to derail what you got going on because i think that it's

01:04:38.640 good and it's giving people a picture of a time that folks don't talk about very often um

01:04:49.040 so

01:04:52.320 i think it's worth looking at the question that was just kind of

01:04:56.720 ask a little bit ago question if votan is odin is thor zeus is thor indra why or why not so

01:05:09.360 we can answer more of this question as we go forward and i'll definitely

01:05:13.200 give it another shot when it's question answering time

01:05:15.600 The word Wotan, Odin, Thor, Zeus, nor Indra existed at this period.

01:05:28.800 did those gods exist yes

01:05:35.420 there weren't Grecians or Germans or Norsemen

01:05:41.680 or Indians to pronounce

01:05:45.780 them in their native tongues there was just

01:05:48.800 the Aryan people the Aryan people

01:05:53.540 had the all father they had

01:05:57.680 the Thunderer, they had those two gods that created us. Later, we came to know them by the

01:06:06.320 name of Odin and Thor. Later, Indian people likened them and, you know, decided to place

01:06:19.400 names and values on indra that certainly very a lot of similarity to us before and you know later

01:06:28.760 grecians and and germans decided to uh you know call him votan and uh grecians decided to

01:06:39.080 coalesce their understandings of the thunderer and the sky father into

01:06:50.680 like a different combination combined understanding uh especially i think with

01:06:56.280 their interactions with um other mediterranean cultures on figuring that out but that's one of

01:07:04.920 reasons we're having this discussion is olin and thor existed at this time with our people

01:07:13.560 they were the gods of our people then they are the gods of our people now and will be in the future

01:07:20.680 we can track the development of our understanding of them through our lore and our naming them

01:07:25.800 from this point onward and we'll intend you know to do that and trace that lineage

01:07:33.080 from these people to when our people called them odin and thor with the funny uh norse script

01:07:50.840 so the important thing that happens with this ice age period is that sheets of ice

01:08:00.040 and fields of cold form a thick wall around the populace of europe separating their lineage

01:08:08.120 from the rest of the planet it is from these people that we descend right there is an event

01:08:18.280 where these people are taken and set apart they are now something else the ice age 0.93

01:08:29.080 literally divides, carves out Europe from the rest, from just being the western end of Eurasia,

01:08:36.600 right? So from these epigravetian peoples, we get several populations. First, we get the hunter

01:08:45.720 gatherers who just stay in Europe, spreading westwards as the glaciers recede. These people

01:08:52.600 become the early hunter gatherer populations of Europe. Second, we get the population that moves

01:08:58.280 southeast into the increasingly desirable anatolia um so ice age equals dry that that might seem odd

01:09:09.000 at first but remember all of the water that could be in the air is in the glaciers right thus the

01:09:16.760 colder it gets the drier it gets because all of the water solidifies so places like anatolia and

01:09:23.560 middle east are very dry that's why they become increasingly desirable as the ice age begins to

01:09:29.720 pull back because now there's more wet in there so there's more plant life did you want to say

01:09:35.640 something nick oh i was going to say uh and think of antarctica it's the world's biggest desert

01:09:43.640 it doesn't exactly precipitate there right so people start moving from the southeast into

01:09:51.000 Anatolia. These people become the early European farmers, aka the Anatolian

01:09:56.120 farmers. Around 10,000 BC some of them actually start moving back into Europe,

01:10:01.800 although another portion goes south into the Middle East. Some of them go into

01:10:06.600 North Africa, some of them go into the Levant. These places are largely empty,

01:10:11.460 very complicated stuff. These peoples take up agriculture, by which I mean

01:10:16.620 mean grain domestication. Because remember, hunter-gatherer peoples are characterized by

01:10:22.680 feeding themselves through hunting and fishing and growing seeds and growing root vegetables

01:10:29.340 and growing fruit and growing berries and eating plants. They don't grow grain. Hunter-gatherer

01:10:36.840 means doesn't grow grain. That means that if you are a potato farmer, you are technically not

01:10:42.960 practicing agriculture. These Anatolian peoples also engage in some of the earliest human

01:10:49.980 urbanization. Despite fanciful theories otherwise, these people aren't matriarchal and they seem to

01:10:55.780 practice relatively normal nuclear families led by a father and that practices monogamy, right? 0.69

01:11:05.500 Third, we get a population that moves east, northeast kind of. These people become the

01:11:12.420 step herders aka the proto-indo-europeans these people move east and they move into the ukraine 0.99

01:11:19.420 they move further than the ukraine but then they move back into the ukraine

01:11:22.800 if you actually go looking into these archaic population movements it's extremely complicated 0.98

01:11:29.500 right i started this out by talking about the step herders because spoiler warning they win

01:11:37.160 that's why we're speaking this language. But remember, it's important to remember

01:11:42.500 something here going forward as we move into this pre-history of Europe period.

01:11:48.140 The stepherders are one singular ethnos with one singular set of customs and

01:11:55.220 norms. They are one nation. The hunter-gatherer and farmer populations

01:12:00.740 are not like that. They are multiple ethnoses with multiple cultures that are

01:12:06.680 Mutually unintelligible, sorry, multiple languages that are mutually unintelligible, and they have differing religious complexes.

01:12:13.920 We don't know a super large amount about hunter-gatherer and farmer religion, like how we do with the staff herders, right?

01:12:22.380 So I say complexes, we don't know enough to say that they couldn't have practiced the same religion, or that they did.

01:12:29.200 You know what I mean.

01:12:29.900 a rough comparison of this that people might be familiar with is think of the

01:12:36.040 Spanish showing up in Mesoamerica the Spanish show up in Mesoamerica the

01:12:41.140 Spanish are a united group then all of the Mesoamericans are not okay if you

01:12:49.520 take the DNA of these peoples and reduce the dimensionality via complex math you 0.92

01:12:54.000 can create a zone of whiteness you can do this with any group of course to make 0.91

01:12:58.060 Like, you know, the borders of whatever group of people, right? 0.64

01:13:01.440 But we're concerned with white people. 0.51

01:13:03.200 White people is a population with a variety of individuals in it. 0.61

01:13:06.460 So you have to define the population via a zone rather than a distinct, a discrete, single, whitest man. 0.74

01:13:12.640 If you take these hunters, farmers and herders, all of them are within that zone, right? 0.84

01:13:18.720 So Aryans emerge out of the population of hunter-gatherers living in the Ice Age refugia

01:13:25.020 When the Ice Age conditions are alleviated, these peoples then break up into a variety of populations that then eventually merge back together. 0.91

01:13:33.700 So they kind of do like this, right? 0.97

01:13:39.520 If you aren't watching the video, then you don't get to see me do the stupid little figure with my hands, but whatever. 0.95

01:13:46.200 The winner of that struggle, when these lineages start coming back together, is the Steppe Herder, a.k.a. Proto-Indo-European population. 0.96

01:13:59.820 Let's return to the focus on them and their history. Do you want to throw anything in here, sir?

01:14:07.320 No.

01:14:07.960 All right. Around 5000 BC, a population develops in the steppe north of the Crimean Peninsula.

01:14:17.680 These people are a part of the Seredny stog material culture, their ancestors having moved

01:14:22.720 to the fringes of the postglacial world. These people are simple cattle herders using stone 1.00

01:14:27.800 tools with domesticated horses. They didn't have saddles or stirrups and seem to have preferred

01:14:32.660 using horses to pull chariots, carts, and wagons instead of riding those horses for any particular

01:14:37.880 length of time. They buried their dead in flat graves with simple holes in the

01:14:43.380 ground. They were a people peripheral to the then much grander Anatolian farmer

01:14:48.920 Kukuteni-Trupilia culture. So we're talking about the nomadic cattle herders

01:14:54.800 who live on the outskirts of an urbanized farming culture. These two

01:14:58.740 groups are related by distant ancestry, but remember the Sredini-Staug peoples

01:15:03.440 are not just the cattle herders of the QQ10E Trupelia culture.

01:15:08.020 They're two separate groups speaking different languages,

01:15:11.320 practicing different cultures and religions, and so on.

01:15:14.340 They just happen to share common ancestry far enough back.

01:15:17.620 Also remember that we're talking about material cultures.

01:15:21.600 So these names like Seredany Stog mean things like Middle Island or In the Field Next to Russia.

01:15:27.980 These names are what we call deposits of bones and tools.

01:15:30.960 They're not ethnonyms, although we use them as such. These people did not call

01:15:36.120 themselves sridny stog folk, or men of the QQtini-Tripilia culture. That's what we

01:15:42.360 call them, because we don't have better terms. The QQtini-Tripilia culture begins 1.00

01:15:47.760 a slow decline around 5000 BC, and the steppe herders begin spreading further 1.00

01:15:53.100 into Europe. These farmer peoples, they favored agricultural zones around urban

01:15:59.140 centers in part because they they used hand plows. They didn't plow deep below

01:16:05.080 the topsoil like we do today so they would use up the surface nutrients in

01:16:09.320 the soil really quickly. This meant that their agricultural situation was very

01:16:13.960 fragile. They would hunt and they would fish but they were able to have large

01:16:18.780 remember at this time a thousand people is a lot. They were able to have

01:16:23.400 large urban centers due to grain farming and the grain could only grow due to the

01:16:28.720 topsoil, having nutrients, you see the problem here. By contrast, the step herders could raise

01:16:34.760 their cattle in some of the worst land in Europe and would even go around clear-cutting and burning

01:16:39.440 forests to give their cattle more grazing land. So Europe, between 20,000 BC and 5,000 BC, Europe

01:16:49.680 fills in with forest. There's 15,000 years where the trees are just like, I think I will settle here,

01:16:57.820 and there's nothing to stop them so europe is full of these massive thick forests and the step herders

01:17:05.340 as they start moving deeper into europe remember they live in europe they're spreading into the

01:17:11.200 rest of europe that they don't live in these guys start clear cutting and even just burning huge

01:17:16.600 swaths of forest to give their cattle more grazing land this is why in indo-european cultures there's

01:17:22.940 actually a sort of um unease around the forest there's a safety in the openness of the plain

01:17:31.500 and a danger in the density of the forest the forests that limited these people were extremely

01:17:38.060 dense and full of gods know what about uh do you want to throw up the indo your the ie expansion

01:17:50.300 image, Nick? All right, about 3,500 BC, this happens. The Yamnaya material culture

01:18:04.520 develops, deriving from the earlier Sredni Stog culture. These people live 1.00

01:18:10.340 much grander lives, still very similar. We know for a fact that they rode horses

01:18:15.380 as Yamnaya corpses have characteristic bone wear on the hips found in people

01:18:20.120 who ride horses for long periods of time. We've found their carts. They used two-wheeled and

01:18:24.920 four-wheeled wagons and chariots. Their word for chariot carts continue on into the present day,

01:18:30.040 such as, you know, wheel and fill in English. They begin to develop not only a grander material

01:18:36.440 culture, raising larger stones with carvings on them, but also took up metalworking.

01:18:41.640 The most characteristic feature of their archaeological existence is their

01:18:45.160 Kurgans. Kurgan is actually a Turkic word meaning hill, but we use it to refer to burial mounds.

01:18:53.400 There's a spread of these out of their homeland in what is today the Ukraine, 0.85

01:18:57.400 around the Black Sea, as these people move outwards. The huge amount of paternal lineages by

01:19:05.320 related males indicate that there may have been one or several in a row

01:19:09.960 Khan-type figures who united a great number of horsemen to go out and conquer.

01:19:15.280 So, you know, you can imagine like Conan leading the horsemen hordes outwards to

01:19:20.880 get better land. Again, we don't have like a name of this guy or a specific

01:19:25.960 individual, but it's very interesting that there's this huge amount of

01:19:30.960 related male paternal lineages that come out, right? So the Yamnaya culture

01:19:36.960 spreads outwards in various directions, namely into Europe. The Yamnaya around 2900 BC formed

01:19:43.200 what is called the corded ware culture. Do you want to insert the corded ware movement in Ingenic?

01:19:53.600 So you have Yamnaya, they go on to become corded ware. This leads to Fatyanievo,

01:19:59.600 this leads to Sintashta. Again, very complicated. We're simplifying.

01:20:03.440 I already have enough notes guys. So these people are known by their distinctive corded ware pottery,

01:20:12.280 which has characteristic decorations that in 1883 thought looked like cords. So they're

01:20:21.980 called the corded ware people. Do you want to throw up the corded ware map, Nick?

01:20:28.320 All right, so this is where we find their pottery in this zone here. Overlapping and also coming

01:20:38.160 from the Yumnaya was the bell beaker culture. These people are named after their distinctive 0.94

01:20:43.860 bell beakers, a sort of cup. They drank milk and mead out of these. These are the bell beakers

01:20:51.940 in some of their tools, right? We know they drank milk and mead out of these because we

01:20:58.100 can do really expensive and complicated scanning on the interiors and see

01:21:03.300 remains of milk and meat. These guys start developing increasingly, once this

01:21:09.620 Bell Beaker stuff starts happening, these people start actually developing

01:21:13.400 lactose tolerance. So the corded ware culture in the East leads to the

01:21:20.260 Androvno culture which goes on to become the Proto-Indo-Iranics who go on to

01:21:25.440 conquer Iran and India. Remember the map that was just up here of the corded ware

01:21:30.040 culture? You see how it's in Europe? These people are the distant ancestors of the

01:21:37.740 ones who go on to conquer India and Iran and compose the Vedas, right? Um, it's

01:21:47.220 worth noting that around this time we have these corded ware, Bell Beaker,

01:21:51.240 all of these material cultures practice what amounts to an identical religion culture and

01:22:00.200 speak what amounts to an identical language they're basically one people by our standards

01:22:04.320 today they just make pottery and stone tools and copper trinkets via differing methods

01:22:08.900 we call that a race of people yes we call that a particular race of people that uh chris and i

01:22:18.500 I think the majority of our audience

01:22:20.520 belong to.

01:22:22.980 These are us.

01:22:24.540 These are our ancestors.

01:22:26.840 These ancestors worshipped

01:22:28.600 our gods.

01:22:31.080 At this stage,

01:22:33.180 they did not call

01:22:34.600 them the Iser. 0.99

01:22:36.220 They did not have the development 0.79

01:22:38.240 of story in the

01:22:40.520 same way that we have.

01:22:42.540 But our gods were very much

01:22:44.540 amongst these people in receiving

01:22:46.300 worship and

01:22:47.560 receiving the pouring out of mead of milk of uh the blood of sacrifice the gift cycle

01:22:55.860 originated you know when we're starting this program or before and is very much alive and

01:23:03.600 well in these material cultures that we're talking about this predates all those other

01:23:11.440 things that come later and these gods and the relationship with our ancestors develops and

01:23:25.920 enriches over time as these people move in particular ways in particular places

01:23:32.800 their relationship with the gods becomes very specified and very particular to their

01:23:40.880 lineage and their history and their stories this is over the march of thousands of years

01:23:48.640 their descriptions of the gods their again the relationships built between gods and folk

01:23:55.840 develop and and again get rich get complex and that's what leads to the variance in um

01:24:08.000 understanding in nomenclature in assigning characteristics and things to particular names

01:24:16.880 that all develops over you know the march of millennia and it's really important that we

01:24:23.840 i don't know contemplate that because it's something we come we come to over and over

01:24:28.880 again on this program and it's very important and i think it's one of the hardest things for

01:24:34.400 people who are new to ausitru to understand or to you know find a uh a point of reference or an

01:24:43.520 orientation on um chris has fled from me i assume to answer answer uh the call of nature

01:24:56.640 so while he does this i'd like to address the first question we have

01:25:03.920 when we do finally get a tears off district which states uh will be within that district

01:25:12.640 and are you planning to publicize the steward role on the hoff websites so that is a really

01:25:19.840 good question and something that it is always fun for me to talk about and think about um will we

01:25:27.600 publish the hoff steward okay so for anybody listening that may not know um we have five hoffs

01:25:33.920 at present tears hoff will be our sixth off tears hoff will be built right up the road from me in

01:25:41.360 jackson county tennessee and each of like the entire world is broken up into these hoff

01:25:48.800 districts that correspond to our hoffs um tiershoff like i said will be in tennessee

01:25:57.440 the states that will be part of the proposed tiershoff different district and keep in mind these

01:26:02.640 are um this is just kind of theoretical at this point and we don't know what it'll actually look

01:26:10.480 like until we get there but what's been kind of contemplated tennessee uh alabama mississippi

01:26:18.480 louisiana texas oklahoma arkansas missouri illinois indiana and kentucky that's what

01:26:29.760 we are thinking i'll throw in the other note that in order for tears off to

01:26:35.360 get steam and go forward we need to first pay off phrasehoff and we're well on the way of doing that

01:26:44.400 but that's kind of how these things work is certainly before we take out any additional

01:26:49.760 loans we want to pay off the debts that we currently have towards the previous office

01:26:55.280 so we are that's one of the reasons i'm diligently trying to get us to um pay off the debt we have

01:27:03.280 towards Frazehoff so that we can move on to that next project. Thank you for asking the question.

01:27:10.000 Chris has returned. Take it away. Okay, so again, we're talking about one group of people here

01:27:23.040 who are moving into the space occupied by distant relatives, and there's differences

01:27:30.640 in how they make copper trinkets and mugs to mugs to drink things out of and stuff 0.67

01:27:40.640 they're one group of people in a certain in the case of the step herders they literally

01:27:45.920 are one group of people right up to about 1600 bc or so the bell the bell beaker contour sorry

01:27:55.600 um around 1600 bc or so the bell beaker culture and conquers all of western europe

01:28:06.000 which remember is inhabited what that actually means seems to have been complex in some areas

01:28:13.380 they just moved in and killed the locals in other areas they seem to have allied with existing

01:28:18.660 hunter-gatherer and farmer populations and interbred with them freely in others they

01:28:24.180 allied with one against the other

01:28:25.800 and interbred with the allies 0.97

01:28:28.380 and went off and killed the enemies.

01:28:31.040 In some places,

01:28:32.500 they did really complex things

01:28:34.540 for reasons we can barely

01:28:36.460 understand because we're looking at dead bodies

01:28:38.500 and pottery shards.

01:28:40.240 But by 1600

01:28:42.500 BC, there are bell-shaped

01:28:44.640 beakers all over Europe.

01:28:47.580 Right?

01:28:49.160 You want to insert

01:28:50.120 the bell beakers map, Nick?

01:28:54.180 there's bell beakers everywhere in western europe and mentally insert the corded wear

01:29:01.600 map from earlier there's corded wear yeah you know you see what i mean here it's worth noting

01:29:08.420 greece we'll talk about this in a moment but greece is also full of greeks at this time

01:29:12.200 just so you're aware now there's other material cultures in this range which is something

01:29:18.640 important to keep in mind while the bell beaker cultures are basically one uniform group

01:29:23.140 Their actual on-the-ground political situation is extremely complicated.

01:29:28.780 Partially, that's because these people moved a lot.

01:29:31.340 They were not sedentary.

01:29:32.620 A man would have, like, 15 sons.

01:29:35.780 Five would die in infancy and childhood.

01:29:39.680 Six of them would just pack up and leave and go to what is today another country in Europe to attain fame and glory.

01:29:45.360 And the remaining four would stay in their homeland. 0.70

01:29:47.380 hunter-gatherers also seem to have lived like this but the Anatolian farmers seem

01:29:52.000 to have not done this move around thing as much I just want to contextualize

01:29:58.140 material cultures for a second here you know what we don't wear much of here in

01:30:03.700 Michigan seersucker do they wear seersucker where you're out often sir in

01:30:12.940 In antiquity, I think so. No, not commonly.

01:30:16.480 All right, let's just, for the sake of having a discussion, say they still wear seersucker.

01:30:21.540 People in Tennessee probably wear a suit like the one I'm wearing.

01:30:25.600 We're talking about two different material cultures here.

01:30:27.920 The seersucker suit and the seersucker culture and the normal non-seersucker suit culture.

01:30:38.720 These are two mutually overlapping material cultures.

01:30:42.940 That doesn't mean that there's constant bloodshed between people wearing seersucker and people wearing things other than seersucker, right?

01:30:52.200 There were people who knew how to make beakers that looked like bells.

01:30:56.940 There were people who knew how to make whatever the other way of drinking your medos and plinokotmos was, right?

01:31:06.260 Some of these people were hunter-gatherers.

01:31:09.760 Hunter-gatherers could drink out of bell beakers.

01:31:12.300 We know they did, actually. We know there are instances of Bell Beaker people basically adopting in hunter-gatherers and letting them integrate into their society, and some of these hunter-gatherer elites being basically equal to Bell Beaker peoples. 0.93

01:31:28.480 And then we also know there are times when the Bell Beaker peoples just rode up and just killed everyone. It's extremely complicated.

01:31:34.400 it. Remember, we've gone from 26,000 BC, sorry, 24,000 BC to 1600 BC in like, I don't know, 30

01:31:47.480 minutes, right? So we have this core body of stepperers who are more or less unified as a

01:31:55.340 whole. We have these peoples that are distantly related to them that they are integrating with

01:32:01.680 to some degree. They form a civilizational blob. They start settling. Things start getting

01:32:09.180 crowded. Pasture land becomes increasingly scarce and or costly. The people on the periphery say,

01:32:17.780 I wonder if there's good pasture land over Yonder, and head out. This results in a variety of peoples

01:32:24.160 and languages. This leads to a few macro waves of migrations. Nick, do you want to throw up the

01:32:30.160 i.e. languages diagram all right I hope you can see the color on this dear

01:32:38.620 viewer I should have used a bigger brush size when I made when I did this in MS

01:32:45.340 paint so first we had we have at the beginning here the Sredni stog a kind of

01:32:51.920 blob we have a break-off that leads to the Anatolian and Tocharian languages

01:32:59.480 These peoples were the first Stredny Stong men who were leaving around the same time that the

01:33:04.040 peoples of the Yamnaya culture were, you know, look, they're eventually gonna, only they had 0.97

01:33:10.280 east instead of west. So all of the groups outside of the red boundary are not of Yamnaya origin.

01:33:17.480 So the Anatolians move outwards from the steppe, from the Urheimat in what is today the Ukraine,

01:33:26.360 And then some of them head south around the Black Sea through the Caucasus into Anatolia.

01:33:33.640 Some of them keep going around the Aral Sea, then loop up into Anatolia.

01:33:37.680 It's complicated. There's multiple waves, blah, blah, blah.

01:33:41.200 These people become the Hittites and the Luwians. 1.00

01:33:46.200 Then we have the Tocharians, who just blast off and head eastward. 1.00

01:33:50.940 They actually end up right next to China, as far as we're aware. 1.00

01:33:54.240 they don't really do anything all that civilizationally impressive but they're

01:33:58.240 still pretty interesting if you're into anthropology stuff then within that red

01:34:03.600 boundary we have the Yamnaya blob the early migration out leads to the

01:34:14.480 Albanians Armenians and Hellenes aka the Greeks these people head south kind of

01:34:23.220 curling around the black sea and then they settle in greece and an early population of them keeps

01:34:29.860 going um becomes the armenians so then we get into the blue boundary these are all of the groups that

01:34:40.660 start in europe and then spread outwards so once we get to this blue boundary we get to like

01:34:47.620 i'm not trying to bully greeks or alvanians here but like europe europe right

01:34:53.220 The only group that leaves Europe meaningfully at this point are the Indo-Iranian peoples, but it's worth remembering here that half of the Indo-Iranian languages and peoples remained in Europe.

01:35:06.340 They just became, quote, Scythian, unquote, which is the generic term the Romans used to refer to everyone who lived east of the Germanics.

01:35:15.020 This refers to the actual Scythians, the Sarmatians, the Alans, and a bunch of other smaller Indo-Iranic peoples that remain in Europe.

01:35:23.220 These people eventually get conquered by the Slavs.

01:35:26.720 There is only one European Indo-Iranic language that survives to us today, and that is Ossetian, which is the descendant of Scythian.

01:35:34.720 So only a portion of the Proto-Indo-Iranic speakers actually leave Europe, resulting in Iran and India, and a portion remain behind in Europe.

01:35:43.220 Fourth, inside the green boundary, we have what I would call the core European groups.

01:35:50.720 These are the Italo-Celts, the Germanics, and the Balto-Sloths. 0.97

01:35:55.360 There's a bunch of, I guess you could call them lesser European languages and peoples that just don't survive to the present day,

01:36:02.640 and we're simplifying them out because we don't know a lot about them.

01:36:07.280 This is a lot of small languages in Iberia, in the Balkans.

01:36:11.400 This is stuff like Daschen and Thraschen.

01:36:14.440 Thraschen was probably related to Greek.

01:36:17.760 Or it wasn't. We don't know.

01:36:19.700 we don't we don't know much about thrashing. The Italo-Celts and the Baltoslavs are both people who

01:36:28.100 form at the peripheries of this kind of blob and increasingly pull away from the center and both 0.92

01:36:34.080 also split. Baltoslavic goes on to lead to become proto-Slavic and proto-Baltic. Proto-Italo-Celtic

01:36:40.920 goes on to become proto-italic and proto-celtic, right?

01:36:47.420 So we have this kind of blob that's pulling apart at the edges, kind of doing like this.

01:36:56.660 But there's people in the center.

01:36:59.640 Who are those people in the center? 1.00

01:37:03.320 The Germanics. 0.55

01:37:04.720 You want to throw up the overlap map, Nick? 0.99

01:37:11.040 So, Britain is in Bell Beakers.

01:37:15.760 I had to make this map by hand because silliness.

01:37:19.580 We have the purely Bell Beaker area in the west, the purely Corded Ware area in the east. 1.00

01:37:26.740 Then we have the Greeks in Greece, right? 0.85

01:37:29.360 We have the Germanic peoples in the middle. 0.94

01:37:33.600 The Germanic peoples are the most atavistic of the Indo-European peoples. That does not mean that

01:37:38.880 they are necessarily the purest or the grandest or that they have changed the least, but rather

01:37:43.280 they are the through line from 4000 BC or so up to the medieval period. They are the ones that

01:37:48.880 undergo the least introductions of asymmetry due to movement intrusion of foreign elements,

01:37:54.880 radical shocks, and so on. They undergo the least shocks and the least radical changes.

01:38:00.480 an example of atavism new englanders today are the most atavistic europeans or uh sorry americans

01:38:07.980 new englanders today are the most atavistic americans they are the ones who are the most

01:38:12.260 similar to those first similars if you've ever heard ron baldman talk you know what i'm talking

01:38:18.920 about his accent way of life demeanor and so on have gone undergone less radical shifts

01:38:25.260 and changes than mine or the Altair Godi's.

01:38:29.340 I mean that literally.

01:38:30.760 I can trace my lineage back to Eltweed Pomeroy,

01:38:33.600 who arrived on this continent on 1634's August 8th.

01:38:40.400 Ron Boardman's accent and way of life are more similar to his than mine are,

01:38:45.640 to Eltweed Pomeroy's.

01:38:47.500 That does not mean that Ron is more of a pure American,

01:38:50.460 but that he has changed less by just simple geography the people who moved across the

01:38:57.580 mississippi or the ohio or the delaware all of there's when you had to move when the people

01:39:04.840 started moving to the south and it's like oh wow we have to dress really differently in the summer

01:39:09.440 because it's hot that's a radical change so um some relevance when we talk about indo-european

01:39:18.060 cultures. The British Empire was composed of a variety of people. The English, which is really

01:39:28.060 like 17 different groups, the Scots, the Gales, the Welsh, the Cornish, none of these people liked each

01:39:34.860 other. All of them wanted to do away, they really didn't want an empire, they wanted to go back to

01:39:40.380 killing each other over differences in like whose village is better. Remember these villages are

01:39:47.900 separated by like a mile of pasture land. So there was this move towards a

01:39:54.200 fantastical and great interest in ancient Greece. Ancient Greece and Rome

01:40:00.380 has this unifying element, the glorious past of Western civilization. And that's

01:40:06.800 why if you open up a textbook in English, European history starts in Greece, not

01:40:12.840 in England or Germany, where English, that is Anglo-Saxon, descends from. This leads

01:40:24.180 us to have a very Grecian perspective on history at times. When we talk about

01:40:31.740 Indo-European culture and religion, people often start with the assumption 0.72

01:40:35.100 that the Zeus of the Greek playwrights, this bawdy cheater who goes around

01:40:40.020 getting into escapades and shenanigans, followed by his evil wife that bullies his mistresses, 0.63

01:40:45.220 is archetypally the king of the gods. But then they're perplexed when they see how

01:40:50.580 radically different Odin and Rudra are from this Zeus. And then they're perplexed when they look

01:40:56.980 at older stratas of Zeus's cult in writings that are religious and sacred in character,

01:41:02.260 and not the tales of wadi playwrights and they see how similar this zeus of religion is

01:41:09.780 to odin and rudra the focus on one eye on the head on the mouth on the tongue on the mind

01:41:17.460 the ruler of heaven who wields the spear the traveler the giver and taker of madness

01:41:22.020 the lord of poets worshipped by both bandits and kings

01:41:24.900 This archaic Zeus, that is so much more similar to Odin and Arubra, is the original idea of him.

01:41:34.900 Later ideas of Zeus are the result of radical changes.

01:41:38.900 The Vedics and the Hellenics both underwent radical changes, but their differences are different.

01:41:44.900 They did not change in the same way, nor did they change in the opposite way.

01:41:49.900 life is full of dimensions, far more than just two or three. 0.87

01:41:56.140 The Germanics lack those differences. 1.00

01:41:58.660 Back to a very early point.

01:42:01.920 Do you want to throw anything else, anything here, sir?

01:42:06.260 No, other than I like what you're doing.

01:42:08.380 And yeah, so we'll do this.

01:42:11.480 We'll answer a question while we're in here.

01:42:14.960 No, I like what you're doing because you're talking about

01:42:19.900 the uh the theme on this and i think some people may wonder when they listen to this it divides

01:42:25.340 audiences there is a portion that really like the deep history that really like the linguistics and

01:42:33.340 the scholarly study of it and all these pieces but there are folks out there that are like well but

01:42:39.500 why why do we care about this one thing why do we care about it because it's cool and it's really

01:42:45.180 interesting to a lot of us um i realize there's other people it might not be but there's deeper

01:42:50.540 meta reasons for why one of those as i mentioned is to have the clear understanding that our gods

01:42:57.820 have been with us since the beginning and how we worship how we name them how what lore we choose

01:43:06.140 to incorporate is directly affected by this that we're talking about, and it sheds a lot

01:43:15.760 of light on the Pan-Aryan nature of Alcetree.

01:43:22.460 But we have a question that I think is worth looking into.

01:43:26.640 If the Finns, Hungarians, and Basque are white, despite not speaking Indo-Aryan languages,

01:43:34.120 and some people like Haitians, Mexicans, Peruvians, etc. are not white even though they do speak

01:43:41.900 Indo-Aryan languages. Is there really a lot of value to studying these transformations and

01:43:47.120 histories? Spoiler, yes, but Chris, how would you answer the question? Okay, and I talked about the

01:43:56.260 problem with naming here for this very reason. We are splicing together multiple fields of science.

01:44:02.240 Indo-European is a term used to refer to a language family.

01:44:08.740 I have misspoken at times in this, and said that the Indo-Europeans did this, the Indo-Europeans did that, when referring to Yamnaya warlords coming out of the steppe, circa 3000 BC.

01:44:23.740 That's wrong. Proto-Indo-European is a reconstructed language, right? It is an actual language. You cannot speak Indo-European. You theoretically can speak Proto-Indo-European.

01:44:41.980 You cannot speak Slavic. You can speak Russian, you can speak Czech, you can speak Slovenian, you can speak Polish, you can speak Proto-Slavic, but you can't speak Slavic.

01:44:59.980 That doesn't mean that there is not genetically a Slavic people. It is a zone that encompasses multiple individuals.

01:45:08.980 Haitians speak an Indo-European language. That does not mean that they are Indo-European peoples.

01:45:18.980 What that means is that they're not white.

01:45:22.980 And you can speak Chinese. 0.61

01:45:26.760 I used a Chinese word there. 0.99

01:45:32.180 I'm not Chinese.

01:45:34.080 I'm not ethnically Chinese.

01:45:36.480 I'm not biologically Chinese.

01:45:37.800 But I can speak Chinese.

01:45:39.540 I know a little bit of Chinese.

01:45:43.780 Knowing a language is not the same thing as being part of a race.

01:45:50.180 It's not the same thing as being part of a nation.

01:45:52.420 It's not the same thing as material culture either.

01:45:55.320 I know a little Chinese. 0.98

01:45:57.500 I have chopsticks in my house. 1.00

01:45:59.040 There's a lot of Chinese material culture. 1.00

01:46:00.840 I have nothing in my life involved.

01:46:04.820 I'm not Chinese.

01:46:08.640 Is it important to the layman to know some of this stuff?

01:46:14.460 Not really.

01:46:14.900 And that's why I'm simplifying things.

01:46:17.760 That's why I covered over 10,000 years of history in less than 30 minutes.

01:46:24.120 Because past a certain point, it's so far removed that we don't really need to care about it in a certain sense.

01:46:33.880 But there is another sense in which we do.

01:46:36.980 Oscar and Embla are the first Aryans.

01:46:41.220 They are our ancestors.

01:46:43.200 They set us on a trajectory going forwards. 0.55

01:46:46.220 They bind us to the Aesir with certain rights, duties, and obligations. 1.00

01:46:53.580 They're not everyone's ancestors. 0.78

01:46:55.960 They do not bind us, or they do not bind everyone with the same duties and obligations.

01:47:01.200 If you're a Chinaman, you are not bound by the duties and obligations of Oscar and Dainbaugh. 0.82

01:47:07.200 You don't need to care at all.

01:47:09.480 We do.

01:47:09.880 what the alter ego that me and i are trying to do here is present a meaningful narrative

01:47:18.640 for who we are as a people that has consequences and meaning to our lives

01:47:25.220 we sit there and we look out at the horizon we ask ourselves who and what are we because we need

01:47:33.320 to know so we can know who and what will we become and where are we going. You

01:47:41.560 don't need to care about the precise borders of the Indo-European language

01:47:45.560 families or how the laryngeals resulted in ablout or what this reflex resulted

01:47:51.380 in that reflex. Did you know that every Indo-European language family evolves

01:47:55.360 the future tense in a different fashion? Latin, Greek, and Sanskrit all have

01:48:01.700 morphologically inflected future tenses. Germanic languages don't. They have

01:48:07.820 different, different morphologically inflected future tenses. They arrive to

01:48:12.320 how you speak about the future, literally how you speak about the future, in

01:48:16.820 different fashions, differing different fashions. Most people listening to this

01:48:22.340 do not need to know that Latin had four separate different particles become the

01:48:29.080 four different future tenses. Greek only had two, Sanskrit had one. I think it's

01:48:33.520 one. You don't need to know that. What you do need to know is that there was an

01:48:39.020 ancestral population and there were many lineages that came out of it. And then

01:48:44.980 there was an agonism to see who would be dominant and who would be the ones to

01:48:51.400 guide that population's descendants into the future. And then there was a

01:48:57.040 a unification. That is more important than knowing the precise differences between Haitian

01:49:06.320 English and American English. And American English is my name. There's more than one

01:49:10.720 American English. Do you want to throw something in, sir?

01:49:13.280 Well, no, I just want to say that this isn't just linguistic. It's also cultural. And it

01:49:23.880 also racial and understand it because you talked about in the question is there a lot of value to

01:49:32.360 study these transformations and histories and i'd say yes because they explain to you why

01:49:41.960 a

01:49:46.440 castilian spaniard in you know the early medieval period is a white guy

01:49:53.880 Why a guy in Mexico could be a white guy if he's, you know, the guy on the soap opera, but is most likely a mestizo guy.

01:50:06.100 And why Chris is not a Chinaman, but he can speak some Chinese. 0.73

01:50:12.040 Because the why is what matters.

01:50:15.060 And the histories tell us the why.

01:50:17.560 There's places you go and supplant a population.

01:50:20.300 There's places you go and merge with a population.

01:50:25.260 There's places you go and, you know, enslave or oppress a population.

01:50:30.940 There's places you go, and one of the points of this episode is like these old Europe things that you mentioned,

01:50:37.620 specifically the basque where distant cousins re-amalgamate and carry on a link of cultural

01:50:48.420 linguistic tradition as white people like the basques in spain but you also have these

01:50:53.780 populations understanding the history tells you that some hungarians are white some hungarians

01:51:02.420 aren't some fins are white some aren't you have an admixture of asians in both of those populations

01:51:11.460 because of us understanding these migratory patterns of people so i do think it does matter

01:51:16.980 and it helps inform a lot of how we come to get these things but the linguistic developments that

01:51:23.460 chris just mentioned i think are also important because language is an express first language is

01:51:29.300 magical it is a primal magic um the the rune for the gods ansuz is about the gods but it's also

01:51:43.460 about the mouth and speaking you have you know emir the first primal giant that brings forth

01:51:52.180 creation is the roar sound and language are fundamental to our faith it's one of those

01:52:02.980 things about runes runes are some of our you know most special sacred principles

01:52:08.600 and understandings of the elements of the universe but or of our existence and

01:52:15.440 they also form an alphabet and a way of writing a way of communicating so those things are really

01:52:21.320 important and the um the differences chris is talking about in those linguistic uh changes

01:52:28.520 and evolutions over time also track with a mindset and an understanding of the world around us and

01:52:39.000 what that means in terms of linguistic development and it really does shape the lore that's come

01:52:48.680 down to us it shapes our processing of that lore and it ultimately gives us a better understanding

01:52:57.640 of our gods certainly of our ancestors because what our ancestors did is so very important

01:53:04.200 because we worship our ancestors ancestral veneration is such a fundamental to house it

01:53:08.760 true yeah i do think all of this is important for those reasons but yeah we certainly understand just

01:53:14.920 because you speak a language doesn't make you a race of people but back in a tribal period where

01:53:24.280 you are conquering land and displacing populations it very often did mean that

01:53:29.880 and understanding the history gives us the insight to know in which cases it did in which cases it

01:53:35.720 didn't and just to say here real quick let's not lose the forest for the trees speaking of the

01:53:43.560 ancestors here. Our obligations and duties to the isere emerge out of, for simplicity, biology,

01:53:51.320 not linguistics and anthropology, right? We're using the language and the archaeology to 0.80

01:54:00.040 talk about our ancestors as people, but if I had to give this presentation in Mandarin,

01:54:08.120 i mean we're a folk is your membership in the folk defined by your biology by how you act by

01:54:20.380 your soul or is it defined by the language you speak and the culture you practice

01:54:27.340 we're an ethno religion so it's the former it's not the latter

01:54:32.980 well another last kind of thing i want to say on on the language here just at this point is

01:54:40.240 affixing language to something solidifies things in a real intangible way

01:54:51.440 and we know that uh because the al-savati is one of our sacred rituals of al-satru in someone's

01:54:59.980 life, the affixing a name to a new child is a symbolic defining of this and not that. This

01:55:10.260 child will have this name. From now on, when we speak this name, it has a meaning we all

01:55:17.360 understand attached to a hymenia and a reputation that we all weigh and that we measure and that

01:55:24.140 we count when the gods interacted with ancient people and there was grunts and you know head

01:55:32.800 scratching and whatever that's important there's a transformative moment when you know lightning

01:55:41.880 strikes an oak tree and someone grunts out and okay something hasn't all right now all of these

01:55:51.960 things that we understand also for to be coalesce into one okay this is my god i am his people

01:56:02.760 this is a thing it's a transformative moment and it may seem small but it's not at that point there

01:56:11.460 became a body of lore and a tradition and an understanding and a religion there's a loose

01:56:19.600 When there's spirituality, when there's just kind of a, the gods are there, I'm here, you do acts of kindness or acts of respect, when you attach language to it, you get stories, you get religion.

01:56:35.700 And you don't have that in the same way when you don't have that element of communication, when you don't have the mystery of answers.

01:56:45.620 Okay.

01:56:49.600 you're muted chris

01:56:54.920 am i okay am i good all right we're good okay so we're not good false alarm before we get to that

01:57:10.840 user eo donated 15 to bns thank you user eo we appreciate you uh and gw farmsworth

01:57:19.020 once again, shines his generosity on us with $25 each towards the pavilion and towards

01:57:27.100 Sigurheim itself. Thank you very much for that. And it's good to have you on the show.

01:57:34.400 Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you a lot.

01:57:38.760 All right. So we're moving towards the Proto-Germanic world with this, because again,

01:57:44.700 big picture. We're doing the Ice Age to the Proto-Indo-Europeans to the Proto-Germanic

01:57:54.080 world. And then we're going to, not today, move into medieval Scandinavia. And we've

01:58:03.060 talked a little bit about the Proto-Germanic world in the context of men like Arminius

01:58:06.540 and to a degree of thanaric, let's talk about the context that produces that.

01:58:16.940 I am someone who's big on genealogy, and that's a bit of a philosophically nuanced term.

01:58:24.580 Things come about because of causes.

01:58:27.640 What are those causes?

01:58:29.260 That is genealogy.

01:58:31.000 It's not just literally your mother and your father.

01:58:34.840 It's your mother and your father meeting, falling in love, etc.

01:58:40.300 But it's their mother and father, and their mother and fathers, and so on and so forth.

01:58:46.960 What is the genealogy of the time that gets us to Arminius?

01:58:54.060 So, we're going to cover this in a little more depth later, in another episode.

01:58:58.240 But you want to throw up the Nordic Bronze Age image, Nick?

01:59:04.140 So, there's this east-west division forming with central Europe through Germany as this border.

01:59:14.140 A group of steppe herders moves north into Denmark and then Sweden and Norway.

01:59:19.140 There, they find hunter-gatherers and farmers.

01:59:23.140 They come to blows with the farmers and ally with the hunter-gatherers.

01:59:27.140 This migration into Scandinavia results in a northwards movement out of the center.

01:59:35.140 A division forms within what is today Germany, the north half starts moving farther north,

01:59:41.140 and remember Denmark is north here, and the south half starts moving west and east.

01:59:46.140 Southern Germany becomes increasingly part of the Italo-Celtic world

01:59:51.140 because the Italo-Celts end up taking up residence in the Alps, in the mountains. 0.99

01:59:56.140 and there's somewhat of a void between that south and north. You want to put up 0.93

02:00:03.280 the late Bronze Age image, Nick? Around 1700 BC, Skald could travel from Lisbon

02:00:13.120 to Moscow speaking one tongue that was becoming increasingly accented and

02:00:17.500 dialecticalized. He could not communicate with the Greeks but could learn their

02:00:22.460 tongue very easily. By 800 BC, a Celt living in Gaul would find the tongues of the people living

02:00:28.300 in Denmark to be increasingly divergent. By 300 BC, a Celt and a Germanic could no longer understand

02:00:35.340 each other, although they can very easily understand each other's languages. So what we have 0.96

02:00:42.060 here on the screen is a map of the Bronze Age, and this is kind of non-chronological because some of

02:00:50.460 these i have had to fill in a few things here just for completeness sake right so we have the

02:00:57.500 atlantic bronze age system and the urn field system the celts emerge out of the atlantic

02:01:06.780 bronze age system gobbling up the urn field system and then we have the corded ware kind of amassing

02:01:15.660 in the east but also breaking up right so if we divide up europe what we end up seeing is this

02:01:24.060 west this eastward shift building up the celtic world creating you know france spain britain 0.53

02:01:33.020 southern germany italy as the italo-celtic sphere and then we have this indo-iranic

02:01:40.380 balto-slavic sphere in eastern europe and we have the term is paleo balkan it just means

02:01:49.020 everything south of like everything in the balkans it's not greek because it's all poorly attested

02:01:57.100 so we see this division of the center to the periphery right and then there's this movement

02:02:05.740 into this refugia in the north and then a downwards shift a southern wars migration

02:02:15.500 around 500 BC a back migration starts to occur the peoples living in northern Germany

02:02:22.540 in Denmark and in southern Sweden start moving south filling the void in central Germany

02:02:29.340 and asserting themselves against the Celts in southern Germany you want to throw up the

02:02:34.460 Hallstatt-Latenae image, Nick. So I mentioned Ariovistus in our episode on

02:02:41.960 Arminius. Ariovistus is a man who is attempting to rally these southern

02:02:46.840 moving Germanics, the Gauls living in southern Germany, the kind of yellowy 0.84

02:02:52.520 area where it says Volsai and Boi, right, and the Celts in eastern France, like the

02:03:00.200 Treveri in the Belgae, into a unified bloc against the wealthier Celts in

02:03:08.160 Western France, the Veneti, the Pictones, the Carnutis, and Rome. When Ariovistus 0.89

02:03:18.140 and Caesar come to blows, the big picture is they're really getting into a fight

02:03:25.640 over which bandit king gets to loot western France.

02:03:31.260 It is this back migration southwards

02:03:35.020 out of northern Germany, Denmark, and southern Sweden

02:03:38.440 that leads to what we call Germania.

02:03:41.620 And it is out of Germania that medieval Scandinavia emerges.

02:03:48.080 But that's for another episode, right?

02:03:52.140 Do you have anything to throw in here, sir?

02:03:55.640 this kind of lead-up plug for the Volk von der Rung episode?

02:04:01.960 No, other than I hope everybody's liking this.

02:04:04.100 I know we don't have a ton of chat going on in the chat room.

02:04:07.060 We do have a higher number of people watching in real time on YouTube,

02:04:10.700 and I know we're throwing a lot of wavy stuff at you guys,

02:04:16.160 but it does shape the tapestry of where we come from.

02:04:25.640 And I think that becomes increasingly important as the surrounding, I don't know, narrative

02:04:33.220 in the world that we're in is as though white people don't have a culture or that there's

02:04:38.040 no such thing as white people or all these atomized things.

02:04:43.180 We came from somewhere and we came from a unified people.

02:04:47.260 At one point, we were one race of people, one unified tribe of people united in worship

02:04:53.660 with the isir this is the beginnings of the story of that people at least as far as we have historical

02:05:02.380 record of yeah and it is interesting to think about like if we go back this far and we start

02:05:14.620 defining i'm just gonna say white culture kind of ambiguously we do start seeing things emerge

02:05:23.340 that seem relatively basic but it's also important to remember that when we think about culture in

02:05:29.020 the european context we're thinking about european cultures as well like saying the

02:05:34.940 sacrality of the household the sacrality of hospitality it's like well that seems kind of

02:05:40.380 obvious hospitality is important in france and germany and russia and denmark and it's not that

02:05:48.780 like the chinese aren't hospitality aren't hospitable it's that you know you get nine words

02:05:57.580 to define yourself by the chinese are going to choose a different set of nine words than the

02:06:06.060 french when you have limits imposed you naturally have to think about what is important and what

02:06:15.180 really matters, and how you interact with the world and construct your

02:06:26.400 interaction with the world. As an example, God, I'm two hours into talking about the

02:06:35.040 Indo-Europeans, we haven't brought up Just Dumaisille. So Dumaisille did not

02:06:41.500 create this when he's famous for expounding upon it. Stig Wickander was

02:06:45.620 very influential as well. He's an interesting fellow. Anyways, Dumasil has

02:06:50.640 the tripartite hypothesis which says that Indo-European society was led by

02:06:55.720 this kind of elite of priests, warriors, and then farmers, cattle herders, tradesmen.

02:07:05.640 a very interesting thing is that dumaziel was also a scholar of china and mesoamerica to a degree

02:07:17.000 and mesoamerica has a tetrapartite social arrangement of shamans warriors what is it uh

02:07:29.220 craftsmen, tradesmen, like merchants, right?

02:07:38.780 How you are going to divide your society's, your view of life and energy in such a fashion

02:07:48.040 does matter between three and four. And you'll notice I said,

02:07:52.460 indo-europeans have the priest mesoamericans have the shaman those are two different things

02:07:58.860 and are your religious leaders priests or shamans that matters we in white people land tend to have

02:08:11.400 a habit of not really recognizing differences between our people and people who aren't our

02:08:19.140 people, in part because if you're in Europe, most everyone around you is European. And if you're

02:08:25.460 in America, most everyone around you is white American. We don't typically interact with people

02:08:31.480 who, if given nine words to describe themselves and define themselves, do not choose hospitality

02:08:37.980 as a virtue by which they live, for example. Do you have anything to add in there, sir,

02:08:45.520 while I look at the questions real quick?

02:08:47.560 Well, so one of the questions early on,

02:08:49.640 and I think it was kind of a half a joke question,

02:08:51.660 but it's worth mentioning,

02:08:54.840 is in some colorful way,

02:08:58.300 I can't find the question right now,

02:08:59.720 basically where did Jews come from?

02:09:03.080 And it's interesting in just this,

02:09:05.240 not to do a deep dive into Semitic ancestry,

02:09:11.960 but not us.

02:09:15.040 that's where they come from and it becomes really important on this show we talk a lot

02:09:21.200 about the differences between medieval like european christianity versus

02:09:30.480 levantine christianity or coptic christianity or you know east asian christian

02:09:36.320 the things that bond together european culture are very difficult to reconcile with semitic culture 0.98

02:09:50.520 because precisely because they're entirely different races and groups of people 1.00

02:09:54.900 so to find commonality something's got to bend and it's one of the reasons that european

02:10:04.480 christianity looks so very different to these other cultures because their core values are

02:10:10.400 fundamentally different than our core values the things that we recognize when it comes to

02:10:18.160 and i mean this is some of the brilliance when hoskel and stubble uh codified the nine noble

02:10:24.240 virtues these aren't necessarily things that are would be the nine virtues chosen like chris was

02:10:32.160 same by the chinese by the nubians by the hebrews by the australian aboriginals

02:10:44.640 these things look different the assumptions that we make about nobility about hospitality about the

02:10:51.840 treatment of other people and about like empathy for other living things

02:10:57.920 is shockingly different in different cultures and when we've rubbed up against those we've

02:11:03.120 seen very severe culture clashes when some of those very basic understandings of

02:11:12.640 decency and such are shockingly different we saw that in very stark contrast when europeans 1.00

02:11:21.440 made contact with uh the scraylings of various variety here in the americas we see that you know

02:11:30.000 when europeans went on crusade we see that in a lot of we see that when explorers encountered

02:11:38.400 africans or went and tried to open up china for business you see

02:11:45.120 excuse me you see really big differences in those fundamentals and that comes through

02:11:51.440 in this in a very particular way.

02:11:54.320 This that we're talking about here all seems to make sense,

02:11:56.760 but retroactively tracing back

02:12:03.180 why it makes sense reinforces a lot of key principles.

02:12:13.140 Yeah, so I've mentioned a few other language families.

02:12:18.140 other language families, Afro-Asiatic is the language family that includes the

02:12:27.860 Semitic language family, which includes Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic. Egyptian is not

02:12:37.820 Semitic, but it is Afro-Asiatic, right? Each of these families is different and 0.70

02:12:44.960 they are differently different. Proto-Indo-European is characterized by

02:12:49.520 this really nice easy steppe warrior conqueror horde emerging circa 4000 BC

02:12:58.460 and conquering Europe pretty quickly. So it's like this thing happens then a

02:13:05.460 bunch of little linguistic effects occur. With other language families it's a lot

02:13:10.160 different afro-asiatic is really complicated because a lot of what we know about old old

02:13:18.720 afro-asiatic languages comes to us from semitic like akkadian and then there's egyptian

02:13:26.640 the egyptians had writing you know around the same time the proto-indo-europeans were like

02:13:33.680 I am illiterate, but must conquer, right? So that makes the study of Afro-Asiatic very specific.

02:13:45.560 The same is true with Sino-Tibetan, which is extremely biased on very specific varieties of

02:13:52.700 Chinese, and Chinese has undergone a number of phonological effects. We'll get to Chinese in a

02:13:59.420 little bit of the chariot question. I guess I could just answer this now. So 0.97

02:14:04.280 just to say about the chariot question, for context, there is a theory that the

02:14:11.520 Chinese, the Mandarin word cha, comes from the Proto-Indo-European word,

02:14:20.360 possibly from a Proto-Indo-European word meaning wheel. Actually it's the exact,

02:14:25.100 The theory is that it descends from the word meaning hwiel. Ancestor hwiel.

02:14:32.340 Another possibility is that the word descends from the same word.

02:14:38.940 In modern Mandarin, this word is chuh. However, in old Chinese, it's depending on which pronunciation

02:14:47.600 system you use it's either or the farther back you get from China from the

02:14:55.700 current day with Chinese the weirder it gets so you get to like a thousand BC 0.69

02:15:00.600 and you get words like like strange trills and nasal tones it's a really 1.00

02:15:07.480 wacky language but then to be fair it's not like proto into European oh yeah

02:15:11.300 it's got four vowels only two of them are different sounds and then there's

02:15:15.200 three different ways of saying, right, like, pre-modern languages are wacky like that, right?

02:15:22.460 But the theory goes that these, because there's a lot of people that move out of the steppe,

02:15:30.300 and they head all sorts of directions, and if we don't find their bodies because they got eaten by

02:15:36.180 bears or something, then we don't know they were there. One group of these peoples is the Tocharians,

02:15:42.700 And there's a theory that Tocharian, or some language like it, introduced either the chariot and the word for chariot into Chinese, or just the word.

02:15:58.240 And this gets into how do horses get to China, complex stuff.

02:16:03.080 i don't know enough about you know ancient chinese language theories to

02:16:11.440 argue that it's true or not you know like an objective sense i don't see why it couldn't be

02:16:20.400 though particularly because horse domestication comes from these steppe peoples anyways so it's

02:16:28.640 kind of like, why wouldn't the

02:16:30.680 Chinese get the word from the people

02:16:32.740 they're getting the horses from? 1.00

02:16:35.500 Why wouldn't they get the

02:16:36.740 word from the people who got the word from the

02:16:38.640 people who blah blah blah got the

02:16:40.280 horses from the people? You know what I mean here?

02:16:43.860 It makes

02:16:44.660 sense. I don't have a reason

02:16:46.520 to doubt it.

02:16:50.080 You know,

02:16:50.740 I wouldn't bet my life savings on this

02:16:52.740 specific proto-indo-european word

02:16:54.540 being the one, but you know, like

02:16:56.640 I don't

02:16:57.880 I don't see a reason why it couldn't be the case, right?

02:17:04.020 Particularly because, like, you know, like, 0.99

02:17:06.300 T comes to English from, you know, cha,

02:17:09.060 which means T in Mandarin,

02:17:12.060 so why couldn't something similar happen the other way, right?

02:17:16.320 Anything to say on this one, sir?

02:17:19.720 No, other than it wouldn't surprise me if it was a loan word 0.74

02:17:22.360 because it probably comes out of Aryan charioteers on the step.

02:17:27.880 and various other um almond eyed step people's telling china men about it and then them using

02:17:37.640 the word that it comes to them with we you know you incorporate foreign words all the time for

02:17:42.120 stuff you've never heard before yeah um it's like sasquatch um it's like the sasquatch indian

02:17:51.080 tribe or whatever white people like huh sasquatch you say cool let's call it sasquatch right

02:17:57.880 it it also doesn't have to be the tokarians or other indo-european peoples it can be as

02:18:03.320 you pointed out some kind of proto-turkic people that actually gave the chinese the

02:18:08.120 horse the horses and the words for the chariot right uh what other questions do we have here

02:18:18.520 okay so are we at the question portion i yeah i would say so i don't have no that's good let's

02:18:26.600 Well, because sometimes you – one time I stepped on your wrap-up, and I didn't mean to.

02:18:31.040 You had to like –

02:18:31.400 Oh, no, no, no.

02:18:32.240 I had to call Harvey, and now you know the rest of the story.

02:18:35.540 No, I don't have a cool wrap-up because it's just a plug for the next episode.

02:18:39.440 No, it's all good.

02:18:40.320 Cool.

02:18:40.720 So questions.

02:18:42.300 All right.

02:18:42.720 I got you.

02:18:48.160 All right.

02:18:48.720 So here's one completely off-topic but interesting question nonetheless.

02:18:53.000 In Lusval, paragraph 23, who are the gods fighting?

02:18:57.820 They are fighting those bewitched by Haid.

02:19:02.280 Or Haid, rather, I'm sorry.

02:19:04.460 If their war is symbolically a war between order and chaos, how does the text imply this?

02:19:11.580 It doesn't.

02:19:12.920 I do not believe that's what the war symbolically was about.

02:19:17.240 But I saw the question over in the chat, and there was...

02:19:22.020 some question on translation of uh Waynes and if that was really their war versus the Vanir

02:19:31.100 and yes it was and the reason that it was is we can go to the original text

02:19:36.400 so Waynes is like the Anglo-Saxon equivalency term that's come down but the actual text

02:19:46.660 talking about them dealing with the veneer um the line something to the effect because

02:19:57.140 it's funny if you look on here and i'm not sure if it does this in other spots

02:20:01.680 but it translates um in velozpa.org where we look at a lot of stuff in veloz's translation

02:20:09.400 it has um 23 in the original text is numbered 24 so that becomes confusing but the line in there

02:20:19.800 that bellows translates in the field uh and the field by the warlike wings was trodden

02:20:27.940 In Old Norse, it's Knautu Vanir Vigskau Volum Sporna, and it specifically says Vanir.

02:20:39.940 So it does talk about that particular tribe of gods.

02:20:43.360 It's a war between the Aesir and the Vanir, and we know it because that's literally what it says in the text.

02:20:50.620 and vanier translates into like experienced or like wise with um

02:20:59.580 like earned or accumulated experience in my understanding of its etymology

02:21:04.700 so i don't think it's a war between order and chaos at all but as fawn would put it it's a

02:21:10.300 between cosmic order and natural law i think in one way it is the synthesis

02:21:19.980 of nature, fecundity, the gods associated with the growing world around us,

02:21:29.960 with the natural functions, with chthonic things,

02:21:34.960 and with elements of that kind of very primal, very natural existence

02:21:43.100 with the gods of consciousness, the gods of war, the gods of thought and inspiration,

02:21:50.440 and with these expansive consciousness gods pairing with, struggling with, and ultimately

02:22:00.140 incorporating these gods of birth and of fecundity and herds and of growing things and of the world

02:22:14.260 and that bonding between those two tribes gives us the full picture of our faith and our

02:22:23.080 understanding of the holistic nature of divinity and that's the war that they're talking about

02:22:28.120 Just to say here real quick, as the Altair Egoly pointed out, it's, I would agree, you know, pretty clearly about this conflict between the Aesir and the Vanir, but I did one time see a madman on the internet who was very adamant that this war is not involving, that this is not a fight between the Aesir and the Vanir, and, again, a madman.

02:22:57.140 But it's interesting to note that in both, so most of the poems of the Ada only survive to us in the Codex Regis, Codex Wormianus, and whatever the third one is.

02:23:13.900 But Voluspa does actually show up twice.

02:23:18.520 I'm not counting the little Voluspa in the Signature from All.

02:23:22.500 there's the Codex Regis Voluspa

02:23:25.960 and then there's the Hauksbock Voluspa

02:23:28.300 and both of them do say

02:23:30.240 Knazu, Vanir, Vigskav, Völus, Bauman

02:23:33.180 they both of them explicitly say

02:23:35.380 the fight is involving the Vanir 1.00

02:23:37.860 so that is an agreement

02:23:42.000 that the Vanir are involved

02:23:43.660 there you have it

02:23:45.260 so next up, question for the week

02:23:47.860 polygamy

02:23:48.640 um no so uh okay so a couple of things we'll go a couple of different places

02:24:02.360 that is a topic that comes up in

02:24:09.440 i would say

02:24:16.620 um i'm searching for the nice word for like edgelord just trying to be different circles 0.72

02:24:26.300 and i don't mean it to be a jerk but i mean it comes up with a lot of people that are very

02:24:31.500 rejecting of 0.73

02:24:33.120 just the current

02:24:35.800 state of modern Western

02:24:37.340 civilization and

02:24:39.460 so they rethink

02:24:41.420 basic things like Western

02:24:43.680 understanding of marriage. They're like, no, we should

02:24:45.580 go back to polygamy. There's also 0.99

02:24:47.780 folks that are like, ah, we're losing

02:24:49.500 demographically to other races 0.93

02:24:51.740 of people, so if we practice 0.99

02:24:53.700 more polygamy, we could 0.95

02:24:55.140 have some kind of eugenic 1.00

02:24:57.660 surge of

02:24:59.580 um like white uber mentioned um i think the other thing that i see it come about as

02:25:07.120 is you you get another strain of that with

02:25:10.100 millenarian doesn't really capture what i'm trying to say but like

02:25:23.600 prophets of doom that prep and assume there's going to be a huge societal collapse or zombie

02:25:32.080 apocalypse or whatever shape that looks like and then aha but we'll need to repopulate by having 1.00

02:25:38.420 all of these wives again i point out things that are you know funny examples there's people with 1.00

02:25:45.220 serious questions about it. I don't mean to diminish that. First, no, it's not okay in

02:25:54.880 the context of Ausatru because it is jarring to people in our civilization at our time

02:26:06.680 period. It is needlessly jarring and would make all of us look bad for no reason as one

02:26:13.120 the reasons secondly in most places where people are listening to this in any legally binding sense

02:26:20.480 it's not legal and it's some kind of a fraud system thing um but fundamentally

02:26:30.080 people i've heard people posit a lot like our ancestors used to do it

02:26:36.400 but i don't see that recorded in the history i'm not going to say there's never been a case of

02:26:42.560 anyone in the history of our ancestors that had a polygamous situation but in the history it's very

02:26:50.000 few and far between it's not like the average guy it's the times that we see it is almost exclusively

02:26:57.280 if not exclusively in political marriages between tribal chieftains to secure alliances you don't

02:27:04.960 see that as like the average tribesman having multiple wives that wasn't a situation very often

02:27:11.040 there's a lot of assumptions about our ancestors that people make because they've heard other

02:27:17.280 people make them and like you know a bad game of telephone they've kind of evolved over time

02:27:23.600 but i don't think we really see that one of the things we do see as a standout component

02:27:29.440 is how surprisingly monogamous and you know not sexually licentious

02:27:36.720 our ancestors were when they were encountered by you know other people that wrote about um

02:27:43.600 so to the to the question of polygamy no chris what what say you about this week's question

02:27:50.720 polygamy question mark no um i kind of we have been our lineage has been our race has been

02:28:02.640 largely monogamous with very small scale polygeny by elites for long enough that it is almost

02:28:12.140 bordering on like a biological feature not a bug right like it's no longer a cultural

02:28:20.500 if I told you that I come from a lineage you know 30,000 plus years long of people with brown hair

02:28:28.580 you'd be like oh well that's just like baked into you if I tell you I come from a lineage

02:28:34.600 30,000 years long with people who do one man one woman unless they're really rich then you know

02:28:40.840 one man one woman takes a second woman every now and then not for too long

02:28:46.840 it's funny how people don't think oh that's just like their default behavior it's just biological

02:28:53.640 But then when you talk about how, like, animals behave, they're like, oh, well, of course, they don't have, like, culture.

02:29:01.060 They're just biologically programmed to be monogamous or to spread their wild oats or to eat their young or whatever, right?

02:29:12.400 We've been doing monogamy long enough that it's a feature, not a bug.

02:29:16.000 i don't we do actually have um laws in place that make it illegal to do monogamy in

02:29:25.660 every western culture um and china too the the communist party of china enforced monogamy what

02:29:32.960 you said illegal to do monogamy oh you know it's illegal to do polygamy thank you thank you um

02:29:39.940 But the Chinese Communist Party enforced monogamy upon China before a Confucian gentleman would have, like, his first wife, and he was allowed, like, unlimited concubines, who were basically just wives anyways.

02:29:55.000 In Islam, military leaders, clerics, the prophet, etc., are allowed to have unlimited wives, provided they can take care of them.

02:30:06.100 And there is a community of people who practice what they call ethical non-monogamy. 0.93

02:30:16.300 And if you go looking into these people, their lives are a trainwreck. 0.58

02:30:22.300 Because it turns out it's hard to be non-monogamous, ethically, while a Westerner apparently. 0.56

02:30:32.900 The reason why Muhammad said that you have to be him, a warlord, or a cleric if you want a lot of wives is because you have to be able to provide for all of them. 0.90

02:30:48.900 A Confucian gentleman has to provide, he has to be able to, whether they want it or not is irrelevant. 0.92

02:30:55.900 be able to provide a separate house and family lifestyle for each of his wives.

02:31:02.520 Most people are capable of doing that. Most men when they hear you get to have

02:31:08.200 multiple wives think it's going to be fun, sex orgy time all the time, ignoring

02:31:16.420 whether it's ethical or not, this is just a lot of work that most people do not

02:31:21.140 seem to be capable of handling and I don't just mean like one man can't

02:31:26.180 afford multiple wives on the average man's salary I mean this even in terms

02:31:30.260 of like pardon the term emotional labor like this this is something that I have 0.86

02:31:39.500 seen whenever these ethical non monogamy types leak out of their containment 1.00

02:31:44.920 zones is they just it's just way too much work trying to do that and it inevitably explodes

02:31:53.500 because people get their feelings hurt because surprise 30 plus thousand years of monogamy have

02:31:59.860 led to us wanting to in simple terms own our partners and not doing that just makes everyone

02:32:08.840 at every level there's there's circumstances in history to where it like cool we're trying to

02:32:17.480 repopulate something or you know uh the mormons were moving out to the middle of the american

02:32:23.560 desert and we're trying to quickly repopulate or you have some place after it's been just

02:32:29.080 devastated by war and all the men are dead and so like there's circumstances in the course of

02:32:36.920 history but they're few and far between and i think people in today's day and age there is a

02:32:48.920 there is an instinct or i guess a reaction to having been so let down by so many things in

02:32:57.560 our culture to try to radically reimagine everything some people in the circles that

02:33:04.280 some of us run in would like to like ah maybe we should do polygamy man we need to get back to these

02:33:10.920 they have an image of like what that looks like in their head or what like a super hyper masculine

02:33:19.080 image would look like because in the world around us we don't see that very often

02:33:24.600 and i think more often than not it's interpreted in a way that doesn't really match up with reality

02:33:30.920 and isn't really fulfilling in the long term.

02:33:37.420 And somebody, you know, over on the side mentioned that, you know, 0.98

02:33:40.040 the people they've heard talk about polygamy are a bunch of fatties. 0.97

02:33:43.560 That's sometimes the case. 0.99

02:33:45.140 I will genuinely say this, though.

02:33:48.280 So being involved in just these kind of circles for a long time,

02:33:54.100 more often than not, anyone I've ever heard bring up polygamy

02:33:59.580 tends to struggle to find monogamy in the first place and so i think the theoretical idea of

02:34:10.080 having lots of lives may sound really good to someone who

02:34:17.220 doesn't go out on a date with a lot of girls in general um so sometimes people without a

02:34:26.000 perspective on it, have a really wishful thinking idea

02:34:30.380 of that kind of a situation.

02:34:31.760 But no, polygamy has been, or monogamy has been

02:34:34.820 a foundational concept in Western civilization

02:34:37.380 that amongst our full predates Christianity.

02:34:42.000 It's, you know, you find examples in the Bible of polygamy.

02:34:47.320 You don't find a lot of examples in our lore

02:34:50.340 and our teachings about that at all. 0.93

02:34:53.260 And just to throw in there this non-European Christian thing, there's a big discourse, I don't want to call it a problem because I don't care, in Catholicism, in Christianity in general in Africa, because Africans are overwhelmingly polygamous, specifically polygenous, right? 0.73

02:35:15.320 a man is allowed to have multiple wives and then these guys open the bible and they see

02:35:21.720 all of the jewish prophets and patriarchs having dozens of wives right and they say 0.81

02:35:29.980 well why can't we do that they look at monogamy and they say well this is just some like white 0.60

02:35:37.640 people cattle herder step raider thing this has nothing to do with africa this has nothing to do

02:35:44.820 with Christianity, we don't want monogamy. China has a long history of polygamy, as I've already

02:35:54.400 said, and when Christianity came to China, there were very deep debates about how do the Chinese

02:36:02.860 handle that, because on the one hand, if they keep doing their native Chinese traditions, then they're 0.61

02:36:09.180 know sinning by default because they're doing a gentile thing but the jews have polygamy

02:36:17.260 the prophets have polygamy how do you actually narrate this and ironically the debate is ended 0.99

02:36:24.940 when the communists you know say at gunpoint you know you have one wife or we will kill you 0.99

02:36:31.660 There. 1.00

02:36:32.300 Debate over.

02:36:33.280 Right?

02:36:33.520 Sold.

02:36:34.780 And, um, so another little thing just to throw in here, because it just popped into my head to bring it up.

02:36:41.440 Um, Israel has two chief rabbis, the Sephardi and the Ashkenazi one.

02:36:47.840 and the sephardi rabbi is the sephardi chief rabbi i think is in favor of uh bringing back 0.97

02:36:55.680 polygamy in israel because monogamy is silly white people nonsense from his perspective 0.97

02:37:04.800 monogamy is white people stuff so let's own it and internalize i just just to say real quick here 0.97

02:37:12.400 If you're, like, a king and you're super rich, you know, like, you get to have more than one wife when the ethical need of marrying a second one is greater than the immorality of your first wife being let down completely and utterly. 0.74

02:37:28.600 We're not anywhere near that situation. 0.71

02:37:30.660 We're not repopulating after a nuclear holocaust. 0.64

02:37:33.360 Like, you know.

02:37:36.360 um so speaking of flowers does anyone know the best are the type of flower referred to as baldur's

02:37:47.400 brow uh that type of flower is triple eurospermum inodorum commonly known as the scentless false

02:37:57.480 mayweed i googled that earlier i did not know that off the top of my head

02:38:05.720 um but there you have it people were asking i think if it's like daisies it does look awful

02:38:10.760 lot like a daisy um so we've covered this but i think this is worse uh restating yet again

02:38:23.000 so is the proto-indo-european god perkunos one god or many gods is he the same as the gods

02:38:32.320 attributed to his descendants yes he is one god and he is seen by those descendant traditions

02:38:46.780 through different lenses through different relationships built over thousands of years of

02:38:53.540 different cultural relevancy and different understandings but

02:39:00.380 here's the thing if you're examining perkunos as a literary motif then it gives rise to all

02:39:14.320 these other literary characters that share almost identical similarities. But he's not, he's a god.

02:39:22.580 If he is a god, then he is the god of these people. He was the god of the Indo-European,

02:39:28.340 one of the gods of the Indo-Europeans. He is a god of all of their children, all of their

02:39:34.980 grandchildren for eternity. He doesn't become a different person when they develop a different

02:39:42.100 language or move to a different valley he is who he is and that's timeless

02:39:56.020 alsathor was alsathor before there was language to describe it he was alsathor before the first

02:40:05.380 aryan man or woman was imbued with with their area in this he has always been there and he's

02:40:15.300 been come to be known by many different names over time as his you know as his people develop

02:40:22.500 different language and culture but his relationship with his people is proprietary and has existed

02:40:29.140 since the dawn of our people it's worth just throwing out here there is sometimes a poetic

02:40:36.620 motif that shows up of referring to like a deity in plural almost kind of like how hindu deities

02:40:42.920 are uh depicted with multiple arms to show their power you know like uh just making up an example

02:40:51.480 off the top i had like it's you know god is so powerful it's like he's an entire army

02:40:55.320 type some things um this shows up a lot with the dawn goddess but when deities are actually like

02:41:04.800 there's multiple of something for realsies they're typically referred to as a class

02:41:09.060 separate from their names like it's not like there's 12 zeuses there's zeus who's one of

02:41:15.760 the 12 olympians olympian is the class zeus is one of the members of the class you feel me there

02:41:22.880 all right then

02:41:26.800 so just a fun question if the icier separated uh mythgarb from uh jotunheim

02:41:44.080 with an ice wall to protect the folk from jodna tax and

02:41:52.880 I think there's some typo at play here.

02:42:03.120 Does that make Asia and Africa Jotunheim?

02:42:10.160 Yes, in the sense that they are distant, far-off lands to the east.

02:42:14.660 know in the sense that like 1.00

02:42:18.320 negroids and mongoloids are somehow yotnar uh that there's always this attempt to put 1.00

02:42:28.880 modern 1.00

02:42:30.900 racial understanding onto very very ancient things those types of people didn't exist

02:42:41.520 to the mind of our ancestors driving down our lore. 0.88

02:42:44.880 They weren't relevant to our existence.

02:42:48.040 Our lore also doesn't speak of aliens or whatever else we might encounter

02:42:54.260 as we grow and expand far beyond the boundaries of our understanding.

02:43:00.480 what it does separate is the the um middle yard the place that is this protected

02:43:10.880 safe place for our people to grow and thrive from the dangerous outside world around it which

02:43:19.120 you know in a sense when we're expanding could be asia could be africa could be north america

02:43:25.920 you know at a different time could be iberia could be uh italia could be the balkans could

02:43:33.120 be any place like that but you know i chris did you have any thoughts on that um

02:43:41.120 no exactly what you said i don't i don't believe that if you go far enough east you'll find like

02:43:50.800 a land full of extremely large beings with too many arms and too many heads you know um

02:43:59.280 you can go on google maps and look like do the street view of china there's there's none of that

02:44:06.240 you can find some strange stuff in china but not that strange right

02:44:09.680 um as far as like a big place chris you don't know and also to be fair china does not have

02:44:19.360 google street view they don't allow it well the only things you would have on there in china is

02:44:24.000 people putting pictures up sure because they got they gotta hide their giants from chris

02:44:29.200 you can actually drop the the little yellow guy into china and do google street view i you are

02:44:36.000 correct nick but the technical nature of that is not worth getting into because the uh medieval

02:44:43.040 scandinavian scandinavian nature the medieval scandinavian uh like like understanding of the

02:44:54.640 world's geography they understood that if you went into finland and kept going there was like land

02:45:01.280 and then eventually you'd hit the water that uh jormungandr like in circles

02:45:07.040 like jormagandr is is circling in the water around the habitable zone right um so yeah we

02:45:17.980 know what happens if you sail from china eastwards you hit japan then you pick your boat up go across

02:45:23.200 the japanese mountains sail east you hit california right so no but as the other

02:45:32.880 you go they said you know spiritually yes it is the hinterland around the habitable zone as it were

02:45:42.720 so i have a question about the language chart not me but um clinton mcgar

02:45:51.040 is the chart saying that all the languages on the chart ultimately descend from anatolian

02:45:56.640 languages. Chris? No, no, it's not. And Nick answered this in the chat, but just so you hear

02:46:02.960 it from me. No, the Anatolian languages split off really, really early. Our reconstruction of

02:46:12.200 Proto-Indo-European is very much the modern ones. Because remember, the first reconstructions of

02:46:19.100 Proto-Indo-European were done in the 1800s before we knew DNA existed. So modern reconstruction

02:46:26.620 instructions of Proto-Indo-European are very much indebted to the Anatolian languages, which split

02:46:31.180 off very, very early. So if you look on the chart, the little now in the lower left, that is where

02:46:40.180 it starts. There's however many years, and then the split that results in the Anatolian and everyone 0.89

02:46:46.680 else language split, then that occurs. But Anatolian is not Proto-Indo-European, although

02:46:52.960 it is very similar very very closely related to it and we can particularly

02:46:58.300 tell because of where it is different differently from European languages so

02:47:04.060 as an example Hittite which if you want to talk about nerdy stuff really should

02:47:09.280 be called nation but I digress does not have masculine feminine neuter gender

02:47:15.600 it has animate inanimate still whereas I believe it's Louie in had did evolve

02:47:20.860 of masculine feminine neuter which is really interesting that that feature was found

02:47:25.660 varyingly in the anatolian language family whereas it's just universal in um

02:47:32.540 the other indo-european languages right so all right final question another question georgians

02:47:42.620 and other people in central asia that lie outside of europe are they considered part of us and an

02:47:48.220 aryan people how about north indians where the vettas come from and iran what say you chris

02:47:58.060 that depends on who you're talking about and when because this this question asks a few things so

02:48:05.340 So regarding the Indian peoples, the Proto-Indo-Iraqs move out of Europe, head east, then start heading south, right?

02:48:22.840 And as they do so along the way, they interbreed with varying peoples of non-whiteness, I guess you could call them, the various peoples inhabiting, you know, south of Chelyabinsk. 0.81

02:48:42.580 And I've seen genetic stuff that would indicate that the peoples who were conquering India were becoming increasingly non-white. 0.88

02:48:57.420 But again, this gets into like, yeah, we found three dead guys.

02:49:00.640 Yeah, but you can't describe an entire population with three dead people.

02:49:06.780 You can tell things about them, right?

02:49:11.780 I once saw a study, I saw a guy claiming, there's a study studying the Etruscans, right?

02:49:20.420 And it was looking at bodies buried in Etruria, and the argument is that these bodies are perfectly indicative of all the Etruscans because they have like 30 bodies over 500 years.

02:49:34.300 That's not a statistically valid sample size, guys.

02:49:36.780 Anyway, I digress.

02:49:37.920 um north indians now i haven't seen every north indian but india is a pretty diverse place and

02:49:49.360 there's a lot of different are these people us it wouldn't shock me if there is a like an isolated

02:49:59.600 valley in the mountains of afghanistan or something where some group of people is like

02:50:05.120 minimally non-white but at the same time you know going with the georgians and stuff 1.00

02:50:11.600 people in like like the chechens chechens are a good example if you actually look at a chechen 1.00

02:50:20.080 if they were a few shades darker you would not think these are white people right 0.99

02:50:26.640 chechens as i understand it do not just do not descend to in a large portion do not descend from 0.97

02:50:33.920 the population that was like trapped in the ice age so

02:50:39.280 they're like pale but they're not white the japanese are also

02:50:43.040 pretty pale japanese aren't white

02:50:49.600 like straight arab really yeah no like like phenotypically they look quite

02:50:55.040 different they just happen to be like

02:50:59.360 you know so your question is interesting because

02:51:03.920 Sort of, depending on when and depending on where and depending on who, you're pointing out that, yes, these are fringe areas that there is the, like, brackish mixture between Aryan and non-Aryan in these places.

02:51:23.600 and you know in the most ancient times and the times of the bettas sure you had a white ruling

02:51:31.620 class that were the conquerors they instituted the caste system and maintained that racial

02:51:37.980 distinction for quite some time but as it's come down to us today no that's not there and you'll

02:51:44.840 notice, the higher caste, the whiter they are. And when I say whiter, the more like us they look. 0.85

02:51:57.520 You do notice that in Iran. You have a bunch of these people that don't, 0.98

02:52:02.960 but every now and again, you run into some of these people like, no, that guy looks like us.

02:52:07.800 There's isolated populations in areas to where there wasn't a lot of that intermixture and to 0.80

02:52:14.660 there was kind of a homogenous situation for a long time that are uh you know chechens look 1.00

02:52:23.860 suspect but a lot of the georgians don't except for stalin we reject him we like take his white 0.99

02:52:30.820 card from him but um so yeah the question is really dicey there and it's dicey for those

02:52:38.180 fringe bordering populations so i don't think that you can

02:52:44.420 those are inherently mixed ethnicities that the details really matter but i think that that's

02:52:56.340 i don't know i think that's informative and it's kind of part of what we're discussing it's like

02:53:00.180 you know were mexicans in the 1530s white or were they injured yes there were whites and there were

02:53:11.700 engines now it's all jumbled up and you have enclaves of ethnic spaniards but most of them

02:53:22.180 are are intermixed in some way so you know yeah the people on those fringe bordering places you're

02:53:29.220 you're gonna find a wide variety of some white people,

02:53:33.660 some not white people, and a whole lot of people

02:53:37.000 somewhere in between that it's real kind of sketchy.

02:53:43.640 Real last question, because it popped up during this.

02:53:45.980 Matt, if the South becomes majority ouster troop,

02:53:48.300 would it change names from the Bible Belt to the Etta Belt? 0.84

02:53:51.060 Yes, that's exactly what it would do, 0.67

02:53:53.280 and I long for that day.

02:53:55.720 I hope everybody will join up and let's make that happen.

02:53:59.220 Chris, thank you so much for joining us this evening.

02:54:02.220 Your episodes are very meaty,

02:54:06.460 and I think people really like them

02:54:08.220 and look forward to them.

02:54:09.220 I certainly know that I do.

02:54:12.340 But yeah, thank you for enlightening all of us

02:54:16.140 on stuff that I don't think a whole lot of people know about

02:54:20.280 and giving us a lot of food for thought

02:54:22.980 and for pondering as we think about our deepest ancestors.

02:54:29.220 no it's my pleasure i i enjoy doing these so all right well i appreciate everybody being here

02:54:36.420 tonight nick thank you for all that you do uh until next week hell the ice here hell the folk

02:54:42.020 lbafa and remember victory never sleeps

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Asatru Folk Assembly - July 09, 2026

7⧸8⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 209 - The Dawn of the Folk

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