00:16:20.280It's not confirmed, but it is a reasonable assumption given the information we have.
00:16:30.400He did serve two terms in the French Foreign Legion.
00:16:33.460We don't know too much about his first term, but we do know much more about his second term.
00:16:43.080He served in the 77th Indian Infantry Brigade in Burma between 1943 and 1944.
00:16:52.280And that was a kind of a special ops type deal.
00:16:56.480They would go behind Japanese lines and do covert operations that way.
00:17:03.460He rejoined the French Foreign Legion after World War II.
00:17:09.080We can't confirm it, but the time period that he would have served,
00:17:14.300they were heavily involved in the first Indochina War between 1946 and 1954.
00:17:23.240We believe it would have been that later part where he would have served.
00:17:30.740He left military service in the early mid-50s and ended up taking a leading role in the Royal Stuart Society, which is a neo-Jacobite society that believes the House Stuart has the rightful claim to the throne instead of House Windsor.
00:17:57.620um he met uh john gibbs bailey also known as whole school in the late 50s and that's where
00:18:06.240he learned a lot about odinism um he that's that's kind of who guided him into that path
00:18:17.720they ended up forming the the london odinus committee for the restoration of the odinic
00:18:27.000right which everyone kind of shortened down the odinus committee in 1973 and that was that was
00:18:37.240their way of preparing for what would become the odinic right they would lay down a lot of
00:18:45.880how the organization would run a lot of the ceremonies and things like that
00:18:52.280he did have a long history founding and running organizations and that kind of helped we don't
00:19:02.280know too much about those besides the royal stewart society he also went back and examined
00:19:09.640a lot of the the other odinic groups and the proto-odinic groups that came before them
00:19:16.460see what they did right, what they did wrong, why it didn't last to kind of avoid those pitfalls.
00:19:25.520Around this time is when he and Hoskold wrote out the nine noble virtues that they follow.
00:19:36.380Hoskold had eight of them, and Stova believed that they needed that ninth one to bring to that
00:19:46.460that odinic number um he they created the runic era dating system um for it that
00:19:59.980they wanted to show it was that odinism was a pre-christian religion um what
00:20:08.140What Stubba had decided on was their calendar started 250 BC, which at that time would have been the earliest known appearance of the runes.
00:20:22.200And there was the myth that that was the year, around that year, that Odin came to Sweden.
00:20:32.760um he ended up taking the name stuba um after forming the odinus committee which came from an
00:20:41.480anglo-saxon chieftain in the area he lived in he lived in whitechapel um right on the border
00:20:52.360of um of another neighborhood there um the the chief's name was stiba so instead of s-t-u-b-b-a
00:21:02.560it was s-t-y-b-b-a and so he kind of changed it a little bit and adopted that name um he ended up
00:21:10.940becoming the outward facing partner of the two of them um as hostgold and his wife were quite ill at
00:21:19.820time and that put him in charge of the uh the court of gothar the director which
00:21:30.460don't know much about don't know their structure really but from what i can tell it's kind of
00:21:37.820kind of what the austral folk assembly had prior to introducing the wit
00:21:42.700He started the Raven Banner, which was a magazine, an Odinist magazine, the first one in the U.K.
00:21:54.740And in 1980 is when Stova decided that they had done enough to prepare and they became the Odinic Rite.
00:22:07.840They believed that they restored that, and so they changed the name over.
00:22:15.920After founding the Odinic Rite, Subber wrote several books.
00:22:23.080His most notable works were This is Odinism, Hidden Gods, The Period of Dual Faith, The Book of Bloats, The Odinist Hearth, and Odinism, Christianity, and the Third Reich.
00:22:36.820The only one that seems to be around is the Book of Floats, and that's what it sounds like. It's a book of their ceremonies.
00:22:53.560He did end up making contact with several other Odinists, most notably Elsie Christensen.
00:23:02.200They had a lot of communication back and forth.
00:23:07.740So there was that connection to one of our other heroes.
00:23:12.620He coordinated the first campaign to protect the White Horse Stone, which is this ancient stone in England.
00:23:23.120And what was happening was when they were building the channel tunnel, it was supposed to go right through where this stone was.
00:23:34.120And it was very important to the Odenic Rite.
00:23:36.140That was where they were holding hand fasting, ceremonies, floats.
00:29:59.340It's one of the reasons why I harass you guys about getting your will done so much is because it's very important to safeguard how those things are handled.
00:30:08.120because unfortunately too many people don't don't respect our wishes after we pass unless we make
00:30:14.920that ironclad nick just put up the link but do your own will.com it's legit it is legally binding
00:30:26.360and completely legitimate to do completely for free anywhere in the united states
00:30:31.720please do that and when you do that please send an original copy to our law speaker alan turnage so
00:30:42.120that we can advocate for you whenever your time comes it's really important we continue to see
00:30:49.560people that haven't done that not be able to get what they want after they pass so it's really
00:30:53.720important um but yeah thank you so much for for presenting things about stubba um
00:31:04.040i've said this before and we we're still in a time where each of us individually can make such
00:31:09.400a huge contribution to this that we're doing but even more so back in those early days of
00:31:17.800of these folks that pioneered and took those first steps in reintroducing our faith.
00:34:31.800Now. And when I first started, I made a joke about how I was the milkman now. But it was, it was really just another thing I hadn't done in trucking. I'd done refrigerated and frozen. I'd done, I hauled pig guts and pig fat for a while.
00:34:55.180I hold hazardous materials and different liquid feeds. And so I found this job. It was home every night. And it was just something I hadn't done before. So I said, to heck with it. Let's give it a shot.
00:35:15.780how's that going it's been going really well um we we had a big problem with the heat
00:35:23.620cattle are very very finicky so if it gets too hot they may just stop producing milk so
00:35:32.900you could go from you know 500 000 you know pounds of milk every day to 250 to 300 000
00:35:43.020And the next thing you know, you've got, you know, half your drivers sitting around with nothing to do.
00:35:49.260So it's been good just because I've been able to get home.
00:35:54.340It's easier to get time off, but it's definitely been an adjustment.
00:36:00.960That's one thing I didn't think I'd need to adjust it to was being home every night.
00:36:07.340there's there's such a big difference between how i've lived for two and a half years to
00:37:58.620that we honor the consistent stream of our faith
00:38:03.320since, you know, in the ancient times,
00:38:09.860but also since it's reawakening. It's reawakening in Europe, in the United States, in Australia.
00:38:19.000All of those currents lead us to where we are today.
00:38:26.980There's no big official difference between Alcetru Odenism and Wodenism. It's just
00:38:35.720three different kinds of people trying to rebrand what they do to be their own their
00:38:42.760own little thing and I mean we've we've seen that um there's also true and then there's not
00:38:51.720in a similar way that there's two genders now in this day and age it gets really confusing
00:38:59.680because there's like people claiming there's 50 different things and somebody just comes up with
00:39:05.120some new thing every day and it doesn't change the fundamental truth of the matter
00:39:11.840but what it does is confuse a lot of people and i think that's what we see happening here within our
00:39:17.440faith everybody wants to be different say well you guys practice house of true i'm a i'm a norse
00:39:24.160pagan or i'm i'm a heathen or i'm i'm an odinist all of those things
00:39:30.080chip away at the for lack of a better term brand integrity of what also true means
00:39:40.320it's really important something we owe our gods our ancestors our children
00:39:45.820that this is something we take seriously and this this is something that is respectable
00:39:53.480and that they has a reputation reputation meant everything to our ancestors and when you divide
00:40:00.640the same thing into 10 different meaningless distinctions in order to make you know one
00:40:10.140group of people feel special you cheapen it to the general public to where they don't really
00:40:15.920understand what else a true is and what it isn't what about all these other things what about what
00:40:21.400this guy over here calls himself. The more we do that, we dilute the value that the word
00:40:27.460Alcetru should hold. And so by that same token, honoring that collective current that's brought
00:40:33.820us here, Alcetru is the name that our founder, Steve McNallan, back in 1968.
00:40:46.840Yeah, I think he discovered it at that time, and then he incorporated it. His first organization
00:40:50.820was the viking brotherhood but very shortly after that in 1972 he founded the austral free assembly
00:40:57.380which is the predecessor organization to the austral folk assembly but austral was a word
00:41:05.620that steve discovered in in first book he read about this that described our faith
00:41:13.940positively by people who practiced it. The idea that we're proclaiming our loyalty to the Isir
00:41:22.000as opposed to other names for it that outside groups would describe us as.
00:41:31.900None of our ancestors would have ever used the word heathen. It didn't have a meaning.
00:41:35.400Heathen meant, in contrast to the people in the cities, the people out in the heath that practiced
00:41:42.020their old ancestral faith instead of the new urban faith. And the urban centers is where
00:41:48.920Christianity spread from, or the term pagan. Our ancestors didn't describe themselves as pagan.
00:41:56.300Early Christians described our ancestors as pagan. So that was a really important distinction. And
00:42:01.900it's the term that's won out and stood the test of time. As it stands now, that's one of the reasons,
00:42:08.800And we held off for a little while in celebrating both Hoskold and Stubba, being that they were the founding fathers of the Odenic Rite, in, I guess, hopes or not knowing for sure what the fate of the Odenic Rite was.
00:42:33.140But since since pretty much the turn of this century, maybe 2005 at the latest, the odenic right has been almost invisible and largely non-existent.
00:42:51.140I'm told that it still exists technically as an entity, but I've seen it have no activity
00:42:59.380and become completely obscure and not have any fame anymore, and these people deserve
00:43:04.540better than that, so I want to honor their contribution to what we do and to the current
00:43:09.660that has brought Ausatru to where it is today.
00:43:12.220other than just to preach at you my idea about the importance of what's in a name
00:43:21.520to answer your question a little bit more specifically you can make general I don't know
00:43:28.780assumptions based on what people call themselves and I think those perhaps are different in
00:43:37.160different times and different places. As it is now, I think that people in, in prison are folkish
00:43:45.940practitioners in prison are most likely to call themselves Odinist as opposed to Ausatru. And
00:43:53.820again, I think that's a general rule of thumb. I don't think that's unilateral there. I think
00:43:59.880people who, and again, these, in anything I say here, people will chime in. No, that's not what
00:44:11.720we think. And I'm not trying to put words in people's mouths. I am trying to shed a little
00:44:15.480bit of light on the question because I think it's important. There was a time that Ausatru was used
00:44:22.320by universalists as well as by folkish practitioners that seems to have stopped
00:44:28.640largely except except for an outside of iceland uh the iceland the icelanders that practice
00:44:35.200also true their uh their organization the also true feligeth is a very universal organization
00:44:42.960and that's very unfortunate where it certainly has become that uh by our day um they use the
00:44:50.560term house to true outside of that we've seen the universalists and the uh the leftists move
00:44:57.280very far away from using the term house to true um they've tended to prefer using the word heathen
00:45:04.000instead or norse pagan and they associate also true with with wrong think and with all of the
00:45:13.680things that we that we know and love and celebrate and so that's been a that's been
00:45:18.800a strong achievement one of the reasons that that i am so adamant in my position on it
00:45:24.960but often people with a prison background use the term odinist
00:45:28.400often people with a skinhead background like the term odinist and prefer that term
00:45:35.840different people of of various right-wing political stripes
00:45:41.360rarely i'd say it's much rarer to use the term wodenist and much more common to use the term
00:45:47.680odinist but like i said these are all these are all generalizations we've always used the term
00:45:53.760also true it's the banner that we are trying to get all of our folk to rally behind uh moving
00:45:59.680forward and uh this shared movement um these founders that we celebrate as our heroes are
00:46:10.880the common shared ancestors of our faith and uh just because they may have called something they
00:46:18.960practice different and no doubt the the religion that stubba practice is very different from the
00:46:25.520way that we practice house true today in the house true folk assembly that's because we're
00:46:30.400a living faith and we evolve over time as we get better and build a stronger and more time-tested
00:46:37.600relationship with our gods um that will always be the case and i would imagine that you know
00:46:43.440a hundred years from now the afa will have evolved to a better you know a better more streamlined
00:46:51.920um closer relationship with the gods and a better way of practicing our
00:46:56.640faith and i hope that i hope that always continues um our next question still coming early in the
00:47:05.440show uh guten often gentlemen how is y'all's night going my night is going fantastic i'm uh
00:47:14.480i'm excited because when i get off this program i am getting a ride to the airport and flying
00:47:20.160out to freyfaxia baldersoff so i'm i'm pretty excited cody how are you doing tonight
00:47:25.200uh i'm doing great uh we we drove all the way up up here uh into minnesota last
00:47:34.320little this morning and we're just we're excited to be
00:47:39.040be at the hof and and you know celebrating frey faxy and meeting all sorts of uh
00:47:50.000all sorts of people um a lot of new faces a lot of old faces they're just just feeling great
00:53:56.300that's a bit of a hard one i i would have to say maybe industriousness he put a lot of work into
00:54:11.580forming the odenic right to the point where he made a he created a group prior to
00:54:18.780that sole purpose was setting up for the odenic rite um he put in a lot of work preserving um
00:54:29.100important locations like the white horse stone um and he even even in his you know the end of
00:54:39.660his life when he was sick with cancer he was still trying to write a write a history and he
00:54:49.660was working on getting a collection of odinus music put together and so i think that would be
00:54:57.420what the one virtue that um i personally believe best describes him
00:55:03.420yeah i think uh i agree with you on that first um that's that's what i was going to say and
00:55:10.940certainly that characterizes again i wish we knew more but everything we know about the man's life
00:55:19.420was you know does not seem like he was the man to sit back and wonder what could be he was the
00:55:31.220man to go out and throw himself into the balance to see what he could make happen.
00:55:41.000I don't know the nature of his service in the British Army, whether it was compulsory or
00:55:46.680volunteer, but certainly his action in Spain was on a volunteer basis. His two different terms that
00:55:55.320he served in the French Foreign Legion were something he was doing as a volunteer. That
00:55:59.900was his choice to go do. And, you know, all of those things were extremely dangerous, especially
00:56:07.240at that time period. And it sounds like throughout the rest of his life, you know, he was part of all
00:56:13.480these different groups and organizations trying to do things he believed in. He was active in
00:56:19.960everything he was a part of in the, you know, the Royal Stewart Society. He wasn't, I think he was
00:56:25.820though. Yeah, he was high up in that organization. He was an active mover and shaker, not just a guy
00:56:33.540who paid his dues and got a newsletter. He wanted to be very involved. And we see that right on
00:56:39.480through as long as his health permitted. So I absolutely, I think industriousness defines his
00:56:46.340character as certainly as it's come down to us. Yes, he was a vice president in the Royal Student
00:56:51.900society there we go um what obstacles did you encounter when research researching stoba
00:57:01.020and how can we prevent that for folks that will become heroes one day
00:57:07.580really the biggest biggest obstacle was just the the sources we we have two sources for um
00:57:18.300for still his life and so that really limits what we know and to be honest those two resources
00:57:29.900a lot of the information was either the same or very similar there wasn't a lot of extra between
00:57:35.580the two so the best way i could say to prevent it and this is something i've talked about with
00:57:46.300with some of the men is recording things um not not just you know the the great accomplishments
00:57:56.940you have some of the more mundane stuff um and record your own life i mean who's who's going to
00:58:05.100be able to tell your story better than yourself if if you've got you know elderly grandparents
00:58:12.540you know write down some of their stories i i just think overall as a whole we need to be
00:58:21.360keeping a record of these stories keeping a record of people's lives because otherwise
00:58:28.940we end up in a situation just like with host gold and stubbo where we know
00:58:34.260we know some stuff but it's such a small scope
00:58:39.200yeah i think that's i think that's really important for all of us i think uh you know
00:58:49.160certainly that's important to keep the uh keep the memories of your parents and your
00:58:56.060grandparents alive and pass those on to your children in a in a broader sense for people
00:59:02.080involved in our faith and in bigger things, one thing I wish that our folk would embrace
00:59:14.540to a higher degree than they do is reputation and fame. Reputation and fame were the keys
00:59:22.600to a successful and well-lived life to our ancestors. One of the most celebrated values
00:59:30.340of Alcitru is becoming a hero by building fame, by building reputation. You know, the Haveamal
00:59:37.800talks about cattle die and kinsmen die, but one thing that does not die is the reputation,
00:59:43.060is the good reputation for one who's earned it. That's very important, and so many people today
00:59:50.560are so very scared of associating their name or their face or their identity with things that
00:59:59.400they deeply believe in. And it's very hard to internalize that, you know, courage is only
01:00:06.820courage if there's consequence. If there's no potential consequence to a show of courage,
01:00:12.320then it's not really that courageous. There's a very important value to be learned from folks
01:00:18.000like Stubba of going out there and being counted for the things that you believe in and not just
01:00:26.680kind of casually support from a distance. The more our heroes put their names and faces on the
01:00:35.140things that they do, the easier it is to have their legacy last and have those of us who
01:00:41.480desperately want to know more about them, be able to learn some about them and the life they lived
01:00:47.240and the things they accomplished. And that was, that was the dream of our ancestors is to be
01:00:52.780remembered and celebrated in that way. And the more folks keep their head down, the less they'll
01:01:00.040get that notoriety and celebration after they pass, unfortunately. And this goes to another
01:01:06.580point, and I saw this over in the chat. People made the point that you can worship correctly
01:01:14.920and believe the right things and be pious and faithful and call your religion, you know,
01:01:22.740anything you want to call it by many different names. Of course you can. But that puts all the
01:01:29.560focus on the internal. You for your own spiritual advancement could absolutely do that. But the
01:01:36.180trouble is when you do that, you're not building and helping the rest of us. By us all doing
01:01:44.060something under a common banner and using a name consistently and putting that brand on our good
01:01:50.620deeds and on our faith we make it known that there's a value to that word there's a value to
01:01:56.780that faith it has a meaning and when when our folk are out there and they discover they don't want to
01:02:05.100be part of christianity and they want to know what their options are if you call what you do some
01:02:12.300obscure thing that's one less voice in the chorus of here's also true welcome home
01:02:19.660the more of us that label what we do very clearly and distinctly also true the more that we build
01:02:27.820a value to where that has a meaning if you go anywhere in this world and you talk about
01:02:32.940christianity everyone knows what you're talking about it has a meaning if you mention also true
01:02:39.820very few do if you mention any of the other terms for house to true even less understand what you're
01:02:45.420talking about so one of the one of the best you know about building reputation if we build
01:02:51.980reputation around that word we shape and build a place for for the rest of our folk to come home to
01:03:03.100you know i wonder where many of us would be if we didn't know that was the option or we didn't
01:03:07.420stumble upon you know the random youtube video or the the random article in a google search
01:03:14.460how many of us would have been able to find our way home um so i think that there's a tremendous
01:03:21.900value in us all being consistent in how we refer to ourselves so that our folk know that we exist
01:03:29.340so society knows that we exist and so that we can be counted and build reputation
01:03:37.420have a number of questions just come in. I have a question. Can we organize meetings for birthday
01:03:47.500parties between the AFA? Of course you can, but I don't think that as the whole, the entire AFA
01:03:54.240is going to do that because this is a good problem to have. We just have too many members.
01:03:59.900Right now, if there's only so many days in a year, we have enough members to where
01:04:06.920we have birthdays every single day in the afa and we have a lot of different days that have
01:04:13.400you know many birthdays stacked on them so i think that's something that you know local groups
01:04:18.760absolutely should do and i think it's a nice thing to do i think it's just we've we've grown
01:04:24.440to a point where it would be very hard to do that as an organization as a church um
01:04:30.120Another question. Are there a lot of young people in the AFA, young adults like people around their early to mid 20s? Yes, absolutely. I think that is the demographic that's had the most growth in the AFA over the last seven years.
01:04:50.900um i think that's a people in that age bracket are well over half of the new applicants we get
01:05:00.660i would say so i think that's very very healthy uh healthily represented in our membership and
01:05:06.560we see that a lot of places one of the biggest things we see is just an outpouring of of young
01:05:14.560families uh folks in their in their 20s with with little kids and new young people getting married
01:05:22.720and starting families i think that's our biggest demographic that i've seen what what have you seen
01:05:27.200in regards demographics on that cody yeah i've seen it's it's been a lot of it's been a lot of
01:05:36.800the early mid-20s um we do have some some older members that have been joining as well but one
01:05:43.760thing i've noticed is um is families um i mean we we just had a member just a couple months ago
01:05:52.160join with the family um i mean it's been it's been wonderful to see um and i think it's i think it's
01:06:02.480really inspiring that we've got we've got such a such a wide range of of ages and
01:06:16.000i just i really hope it uh continues like that and i'm i'm doing what i can
01:06:24.800next question what do you think of when universalists try to argue people of other
01:06:30.800races have experiences with the gods i think that
01:06:45.520it is seldom useful to argue with people about things that involve their subjective experience
01:06:57.600I don't think that they're going to listen. If you just straight up say, you know, no, you don't.
01:07:05.600I don't think that's useful. And I think that another thing, and this is out of perhaps an abundance of piety, but I don't, I don't think it's appropriate for me to
01:07:22.600say that the gods couldn't do that if they wanted to do that but i also don't
01:07:33.720believe or see why they would do that what i think is a what i think occurs
01:07:41.640in those situations is we have a lot of people that are very confused i think that when we have
01:07:47.480religious experience or supernatural experience in general, we put that in the context that we're
01:08:00.220familiar with. I think that if we, you know, if you're trying to think, and we've had this happen
01:08:12.220with people that were formerly christian so if they
01:08:20.140if they have any sort of interaction with the supernatural while they're christian
01:08:26.780well it's god it's jesus it's angels it's demons if they continue having that exact
01:08:34.620same interaction once they become also true and they put that in a whole different framework
01:08:40.860you know if if their ancestors are interacting with them in a christian context i think it's
01:08:49.740much harder to accept that at face value so i think they funnel that into guardian angels or
01:08:56.380maybe saints or whatever the case might be and i think people do that in whatever whatever
01:09:03.580context they find themselves you see especially during conversion periods
01:09:11.100native americans for example you see them take their native american faith and
01:09:17.580overlay that or interpret that through christianity when they try to get converted so
01:09:22.620there's a strange overlap but you choose to identify things with the context you're comfortable
01:09:31.100with i think very often if you have a uh you know let's say you have a black person that's
01:09:39.180particularly you know spiritually sensitive and having interactions with something beyond the
01:09:46.060normal um if they think vikings are really cool and are focused on trying to you know viking larp
01:09:57.580and that's the the mythology that they're excited about then i think they would try to force those
01:10:03.260supernatural things into those holes rather than consider their ancestors and their native gods
01:10:09.020trying to reach out to them in some way or an interaction that way you you rush to what you
01:10:15.420know and if that's what you feel like you know that's the label you put on it um i think it is
01:10:21.260a big challenge and even for us who are also true to accept spiritual experience on its own terms
01:10:31.740instead of trying to force it into what we want it to be or what we happen to be most familiar with
01:10:40.060and i think that a little bit of honesty with ourselves is really important fundamentally i think
01:10:45.340I think that other races of people claiming to have interactions with our gods and our ancestors and our heroes are fundamentally not being honest with themselves about what spiritual experience they might be having.
01:11:06.100And I think it'd be much more fulfilling for them if they were open to the authenticity that that experience might entail.