Asatru Folk Assembly - 8⧸16⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 58 - John Yeowell ＂Stubba＂

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00:03:00.000 hello and welcome back it's exciting to talk to you guys again um a lot going on uh both of

00:03:16.860 actually everyone involved in tonight's broadcast is getting ready to go to fray faxy at baldershoff

00:03:24.560 this weekend so you've got time but not much time if you'd still like to consider going please make

00:03:30.480 sure you reach out to your folk builder um but yeah it'll be going on uh friday saturday and

00:03:37.840 finishing up on sunday and i'm looking looking forward to seeing everybody there it's it's going

00:03:42.880 to be great this year we've got a record number of pre-registrations so it should be a lot of folks

00:03:49.440 and uh it's a great chance to meet other meet other afa members and worship our gods

00:03:57.440 and worship balder at his hof so if you can make it out there it's definitely worth your while

00:04:07.360 another order of business i guess while we've got everybody at the top of the hour

00:04:10.720 if you can make it out to montana for frayers harvest feast that's going to be going on next

00:04:19.720 month um 22nd through the 24th it's going to be held on the homestead of one of our apprentice

00:04:29.460 bulk builders there tyler heineland and uh yeah we're pretty excited about that it should be a

00:04:35.760 great event got a lot of interest so far so if you're able if you're a member and you want to

00:04:40.060 be part of that you're welcome and reach out to your folk builder it'll get you all squared away

00:04:44.760 and if you're not a member um you can still go just make sure you talk with folk builder first

00:04:50.620 so they get you all squared away and uh you know make sure you're you're not not dangerous to be

00:04:56.260 around um raises another question if you are listening to this and you are not a member

00:05:03.480 ask yourself why if there is a legitimate reason that you don't qualify for membership

00:05:11.680 fair enough we appreciate anybody who wants to listen to this broadcast you're welcome to do so

00:05:16.680 but if you do qualify for membership we would love to have you part of the family

00:05:20.680 um we're doing this together we're doing big things and we need all of our folks that are

00:05:26.580 are true to our gods to to join us and be part of this historic endeavor that we're doing so

00:05:32.680 please do consider joining the AFA at runestone.org. As always, remember to like, share and subscribe

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00:06:30.040 you're welcome to do that on Entropy and on Rumble. Those are always much appreciated.

00:06:38.280 And also figure I'd go through a few financials at the top of the show. So we are still,

00:06:45.660 I mentioned this last week. We're still trying to raise funds for a zero-turn mower to mow

00:06:52.820 all of the tall grass out at Sigurheim. It's important we keep the place beautiful. It's

00:06:58.740 also important we keep down on bugs and other things and keep it usable because this year,

00:07:05.180 for the first time, we're going to host winter nights at Sigurheim. So we got the graphic up.

00:07:11.520 we've raised $1,270 out of a total of $3,099 we need. So thank you so much to everybody who has

00:07:21.620 donated. And yeah, if you're interested in donating, Nick will throw the link up there

00:07:29.000 on the screen for you. And we always appreciate you guys' generosity.

00:07:41.520 just trying to give it a second for the link to pop up um but yeah so at our room there we go

00:07:47.920 there we go donate on the runestone site we have a number of different things there i'm

00:07:52.400 gonna go over a couple of other things just i figured everybody might like to know i know there's

00:07:56.320 curiosity and over the past couple of weeks people have been asking some questions one thing on

00:08:01.600 everybody's mind they want to know when we are getting phrase off we are making tremendous

00:08:07.520 progress on that we're very excited to uh to make that happen as i've said though it's a long

00:08:14.400 process and the first step to get phrase off is to pay off mjords off so so everybody knows where

00:08:21.760 we're at on that we got the graphic up now if you see that dark green area that's showing that we've

00:08:29.600 We've paid off about 60% of our total, and that's really amazing considering it's been

00:08:37.740 just exactly a year this month since our grand opening at Njortzhof.

00:08:43.580 So we've made tremendous progress thanks to y'all and your generous donations.

00:08:48.940 you guys know, we've paid down $138,839.37 off of a total of $245,000. So that means we,

00:09:07.700 and I know it's funny, we only have, it's a substantial chunk, but it is about 40% of what

00:09:16.220 that total is. We only have $106,160.63 to go. So if anybody is keeping track and anybody's an

00:09:24.700 AFA member, that means if each of our members were to pay $120 today, we would be free and clear and

00:09:33.260 we'd move on to the next phase of getting Frazehoff. But anybody wondering, our plan is and has always

00:09:40.220 been to get phrasehoff in eastern ohio or western pennsylvania and just giving you guys an insight

00:09:49.660 on where we're at on that if you're interested in contributing we've got that same donate link

00:09:54.620 will give you that option um and then because we're also looking at it and people are curious

00:10:00.860 i want to show you the progress on paying off sigerheim that's getting all done completely

00:10:07.020 separately. As you can see on the graphic, we only got about 15% in on that. So we still got

00:10:12.520 quite a ways to go. Total that the property cost us was $250,000. We are $34,735.87 into that.

00:10:27.680 But yeah, that was just some insight for people who were curious because we got some questions

00:10:31.060 on that. And thank you to everybody who's donated to those things. I think that's all the business

00:10:35.860 we got for the top of the hour we have a treat today for the very first time we're welcoming

00:10:41.300 apprentice folk builder uh cody clausen as our guest uh cody welcome it's good to have you one

00:10:50.900 thing that i like to ask all of our guests when it's their first time on can you tell us a little

00:10:56.180 bit about yourself and how you got involved with alice true generally and how you found

00:11:03.300 the ask true folk assembly sorry my kids are being loud yes um so i i um i grew up evangelical

00:11:16.740 christian and high school i kind of started questioning some stuff um it was something

00:11:26.660 just didn't click with me and so after high school i kind of went went through an atheist phase and

00:11:34.340 kind of into an agnostic phase and i'd always been really interested in different mythologies um i

00:11:42.500 did a lot of studying of the greek mythologies and that just didn't seem like it didn't fit

00:11:50.660 And so I started looking more into Norse mythology and finding out that people do still practice.

00:12:00.080 And so that kind of that kind of led me to Ausatru.

00:12:05.240 And it was it was 20.

00:12:12.340 It was early August of last year.

00:12:15.200 um we had been talking off and on about joining the afa we'd heard about it back in 2016 and

00:12:23.660 um i kind of bought into the some of the um you know the the media's lies about us and

00:12:33.580 um i had a i had a job where i needed um federal security clearance um because i worked in a

00:12:41.640 better regulated building. And so I was real nervous about that, decided we weren't going to

00:12:48.800 join. And last year, I actually started listening to Victory Never Sleeps. And it was Witten

00:12:59.440 Brandy Callahan saying, Alcitru is literally your birthright. And at that moment, I realized

00:13:07.840 none of that matters anymore we're just going to go ahead and join and so we went ahead I pulled

00:13:17.400 over on the side of the road because I was driving my truck trying to get home and I just pulled into

00:13:23.500 a rest area went ahead and put in my application and yeah and then it was probably a month and a

00:13:33.000 half later where we decided uh we were gonna start folk building as well

00:13:42.200 well that's fantastic we're really glad to have y'all um

00:13:48.200 yeah you and and your wife ally who's been a guest on the program already have

00:13:53.400 made a tremendous impact in a in a very short amount of time um those of you who may not know

00:14:01.000 uh it's another piece of business i suppose i should have mentioned at the top of the program

00:14:05.640 since last time we spoke our store at runestone.org is back up and running and uh that's getting run

00:14:13.320 out of out of cody's household uh ally is is taking that on and uh it's a little bit early

00:14:19.960 to make judgments but so far so good so far she's doing a great job and i have every reason to

00:14:24.120 believe that'll continue so uh yeah anybody who was curious that is back up and running now i

00:14:29.800 apologize it's been down for about a month and a half because uh person ran it before um left the

00:14:36.200 afa and abruptly so we were in kind of a scramble to get it get it situated but it's in good hands

00:14:42.920 now um so without further ado cody can you assume that people listening have never heard of him

00:14:54.360 before can you give people the information you have on also true hero uh john yule also known as

00:15:05.480 stubba absolutely um so john yule um went by stubba uh he was born john leslie william yule

00:15:20.280 in uh april yes april 10th of 1918 um he passed away in september um 25th 2010.

00:15:32.680 um we don't really know um a lot about his early life there's really not anything about

00:15:44.680 where he grew up um you know who who he was as as a child and into a young adult but uh

00:15:54.760 we do know um a lot more about his adult life uh for instance um he was a war veteran um

00:16:05.000 And we believe he served in the Spanish Civil War sometime between 1936 and 1937 in General

00:16:16.940 Duffy's green shirts.

00:16:20.280 It's not confirmed, but it is a reasonable assumption given the information we have.

00:16:30.400 He did serve two terms in the French Foreign Legion.

00:16:33.460 We don't know too much about his first term, but we do know much more about his second term.

00:16:43.080 He served in the 77th Indian Infantry Brigade in Burma between 1943 and 1944.

00:16:52.280 And that was a kind of a special ops type deal.

00:16:56.480 They would go behind Japanese lines and do covert operations that way.

00:17:03.460 He rejoined the French Foreign Legion after World War II.

00:17:09.080 We can't confirm it, but the time period that he would have served,

00:17:14.300 they were heavily involved in the first Indochina War between 1946 and 1954.

00:17:23.240 We believe it would have been that later part where he would have served.

00:17:30.740 He left military service in the early mid-50s and ended up taking a leading role in the Royal Stuart Society, which is a neo-Jacobite society that believes the House Stuart has the rightful claim to the throne instead of House Windsor.

00:17:57.620 um he met uh john gibbs bailey also known as whole school in the late 50s and that's where

00:18:06.240 he learned a lot about odinism um he that's that's kind of who guided him into that path

00:18:17.720 they ended up forming the the london odinus committee for the restoration of the odinic

00:18:27.000 right which everyone kind of shortened down the odinus committee in 1973 and that was that was

00:18:37.240 their way of preparing for what would become the odinic right they would lay down a lot of

00:18:45.880 how the organization would run a lot of the ceremonies and things like that

00:18:52.280 he did have a long history founding and running organizations and that kind of helped we don't

00:19:02.280 know too much about those besides the royal stewart society he also went back and examined

00:19:09.640 a lot of the the other odinic groups and the proto-odinic groups that came before them

00:19:16.460 see what they did right, what they did wrong, why it didn't last to kind of avoid those pitfalls.

00:19:25.520 Around this time is when he and Hoskold wrote out the nine noble virtues that they follow.

00:19:36.380 Hoskold had eight of them, and Stova believed that they needed that ninth one to bring to that

00:19:46.460 that odinic number um he they created the runic era dating system um for it that

00:19:59.980 they wanted to show it was that odinism was a pre-christian religion um what

00:20:08.140 What Stubba had decided on was their calendar started 250 BC, which at that time would have been the earliest known appearance of the runes.

00:20:22.200 And there was the myth that that was the year, around that year, that Odin came to Sweden.

00:20:32.760 um he ended up taking the name stuba um after forming the odinus committee which came from an

00:20:41.480 anglo-saxon chieftain in the area he lived in he lived in whitechapel um right on the border

00:20:52.360 of um of another neighborhood there um the the chief's name was stiba so instead of s-t-u-b-b-a

00:21:02.560 it was s-t-y-b-b-a and so he kind of changed it a little bit and adopted that name um he ended up

00:21:10.940 becoming the outward facing partner of the two of them um as hostgold and his wife were quite ill at

00:21:19.820 time and that put him in charge of the uh the court of gothar the director which

00:21:30.460 don't know much about don't know their structure really but from what i can tell it's kind of

00:21:37.820 kind of what the austral folk assembly had prior to introducing the wit

00:21:42.700 He started the Raven Banner, which was a magazine, an Odinist magazine, the first one in the U.K.

00:21:54.740 And in 1980 is when Stova decided that they had done enough to prepare and they became the Odinic Rite.

00:22:07.840 They believed that they restored that, and so they changed the name over.

00:22:15.920 After founding the Odinic Rite, Subber wrote several books.

00:22:23.080 His most notable works were This is Odinism, Hidden Gods, The Period of Dual Faith, The Book of Bloats, The Odinist Hearth, and Odinism, Christianity, and the Third Reich.

00:22:36.820 The only one that seems to be around is the Book of Floats, and that's what it sounds like. It's a book of their ceremonies.

00:22:53.560 He did end up making contact with several other Odinists, most notably Elsie Christensen.

00:23:02.200 They had a lot of communication back and forth.

00:23:07.740 So there was that connection to one of our other heroes.

00:23:12.620 He coordinated the first campaign to protect the White Horse Stone, which is this ancient stone in England.

00:23:23.120 And what was happening was when they were building the channel tunnel, it was supposed to go right through where this stone was.

00:23:34.120 And it was very important to the Odenic Rite.

00:23:36.140 That was where they were holding hand fasting, ceremonies, floats.

00:23:41.020 They would regularly do moots there.

00:23:43.480 So he ended up saving that.

00:23:47.640 In 1989, he stepped down from his role in the Odenic Rite.

00:23:53.120 placing, I believe, the current director is in his place.

00:24:00.620 After stepping down, there was some internal conflict, some turmoil,

00:24:08.500 members wanting things done differently than what the new director was doing,

00:24:16.420 and that led to the removal of some of those members.

00:24:19.580 This ended up leading to an attempt to create a new Odinic right, which ended up being led by Stubba.

00:24:31.500 About four years later is when he had a change of heart.

00:24:36.620 He ended up contacting their court of Gothar, asking for forgiveness, apologized, and they accepted the apology.

00:24:49.780 They welcomed him back as a member.

00:24:51.860 um and we from what i could gather a lot of the reason that maybe this happened or why he was

00:25:04.740 doing this was he had a he had a vast collection of very rare very valuable books that he gave

00:25:13.880 the odynic right to use. And someone not affiliated with the odynic right ended up

00:25:24.460 destroying those through carelessness. And he felt very slighted by that. And I believe that's

00:25:32.840 what led to that happening. He did suffer from terminal cancer at the end of his life,

00:25:41.080 which led to him really taking a big step back from being involved in the Odenic Rite in the way that he had been.

00:25:50.840 He did work on an Odinist music project with Osirid in Australia.

00:26:00.020 um during his cancer battle uh he was providing rare vinyl records he had sheet music and he was

00:26:09.220 going as far as typing up lyrics for them to use um that project never seemed to come to fruition

00:26:17.300 um we don't have any record of it being finished um he he was also working on a

00:26:26.420 a history of Odinism. It was going to be comprehensive, and he was contacting the

00:26:37.660 Australian government for photos and documents pertaining to Alexander of Mills. We do know he

00:26:46.140 was nearly finished with this. Unfortunately, after his passing, it seemed to have gotten lost

00:26:53.200 in the mishandling of his final will.

00:26:57.680 So it may still be out there.

00:27:00.520 It may not.

00:27:02.680 An interesting thing about him,

00:27:07.480 his funeral was conducted by a reverend,

00:27:14.820 an Anglican church reverend,

00:27:17.380 and his eulogy was given by Nikolai Tolstoy.

00:27:23.200 So he was given a Christian funeral and cremated.

00:27:31.160 And afterwards is when the Odenic Rite was able to get his remains, 0.88

00:27:39.000 and they scattered him at the White Horse Stone, 0.97

00:27:42.000 which is what he truly wanted to have happen.

00:27:51.060 Making sure.

00:27:54.160 yeah that's that's what we've got really he's he was fairly secretive about his life so

00:28:04.960 what we do know comes from the the higher ups that were with the odenic right people who knew

00:28:12.720 him personally worked with him personally outside of that it does not seem like he kept any record

00:28:18.320 of himself all right well thank you very much for finding that information and for presenting it to

00:28:27.040 us tonight um i think a lot of our you know the little bit of information that we're able to dig

00:28:38.080 up is from the odenic rights website and from the odenic right australia website

00:28:44.800 and those two groups are not affiliated. It's unfortunate, and I say that a lot about our

00:28:56.320 modern heroes, that we don't take enough care when they're with us to document as much as we can

00:29:04.840 and preserve as much as we can. One of those things, as far as his effects, the book he was

00:29:13.560 working on. I, I would love to love to get my hands on his

00:29:21.120 book about modern, modern house to true history, to get that

00:29:26.820 would be invaluable. And I have no idea if it even still exists.

00:29:34.020 It was a situation that he didn't have living blood relatives.

00:29:38.120 And unfortunately, a lot of the time, if we don't plan right, when we pass, a lot of things are mishandled.

00:29:48.960 And he had, you know, an Anglican Christian service for his funeral, which is unfortunate.

00:29:58.300 All those things.

00:29:59.340 It's one of the reasons why I harass you guys about getting your will done so much is because it's very important to safeguard how those things are handled.

00:30:08.120 because unfortunately too many people don't don't respect our wishes after we pass unless we make

00:30:14.920 that ironclad nick just put up the link but do your own will.com it's legit it is legally binding

00:30:26.360 and completely legitimate to do completely for free anywhere in the united states

00:30:31.720 please do that and when you do that please send an original copy to our law speaker alan turnage so

00:30:42.120 that we can advocate for you whenever your time comes it's really important we continue to see

00:30:49.560 people that haven't done that not be able to get what they want after they pass so it's really

00:30:53.720 important um but yeah thank you so much for for presenting things about stubba um

00:31:04.040 i've said this before and we we're still in a time where each of us individually can make such

00:31:09.400 a huge contribution to this that we're doing but even more so back in those early days of

00:31:17.800 of these folks that pioneered and took those first steps in reintroducing our faith.

00:31:26.060 That's a lonely road.

00:31:28.840 And we go into all these organizational politics and discussions.

00:31:34.800 It's important to realize that the organizations of the time are tens of members, not thousands,

00:31:43.640 certainly not tens of thousands.

00:31:47.800 it's a lonely thing to devote so much of your adult life to in these these gentlemen's time

00:31:54.440 and the fact there was so much interest so much dedication to persevere in that

00:31:59.720 so long and for so many decades is much appreciated and very important and definitely

00:32:05.640 deserves our our respect and our remembrance let's get to some of our questions here

00:32:12.200 your wife asks cody you managed to balance long-haul trucking and folk building for quite

00:32:19.480 a while you were still able to be present for your kids and your marriage during that time

00:32:25.640 what's the secret

00:32:30.760 yeah it's it's very hard it's a lot of um sitting on the phone you know

00:32:42.200 i i had i had about 11 hours a day where i was doing nothing but driving and so i had a headset

00:32:52.440 and just sat there and talked i mean there were days where we talked for four hours and it was

00:33:01.960 it was especially hard in the beginning because i'd be gone for three or four weeks at a time

00:33:06.520 and only have a few days at home afterwards so being able to slowly work my way into

00:33:14.360 well i leave out monday but i get home friday and having saturday and sunday kind of helped and

00:33:23.320 so it was it was hard and the folk building aspect was a little bit easier because

00:33:31.800 i'm on the i've got nothing to do i can you know go ahead and give members calls a new applicant i

00:33:40.680 can you know dial them up and just talk for however long they want to talk so that was a

00:33:49.800 little easier it was it was harder doing other stuff i didn't have a lot of my own time so

00:34:01.800 I sacrificed a lot of personal time.

00:34:04.780 I sacrificed some sleep to make sure that I was not only fulfilling my full building duties, but also being a present father and husband.

00:34:16.960 All right.

00:34:18.520 Sierra asks, and I'm not sure if there's an inside joke hidden here or just what.

00:34:23.380 Cody, what inspired you to become a milkman?

00:34:27.460 So I haul milk for a living.

00:34:31.800 Now. And when I first started, I made a joke about how I was the milkman now. But it was, it was really just another thing I hadn't done in trucking. I'd done refrigerated and frozen. I'd done, I hauled pig guts and pig fat for a while.

00:34:55.180 I hold hazardous materials and different liquid feeds. And so I found this job. It was home every night. And it was just something I hadn't done before. So I said, to heck with it. Let's give it a shot.

00:35:15.780 how's that going it's been going really well um we we had a big problem with the heat

00:35:23.620 cattle are very very finicky so if it gets too hot they may just stop producing milk so

00:35:32.900 you could go from you know 500 000 you know pounds of milk every day to 250 to 300 000

00:35:43.020 And the next thing you know, you've got, you know, half your drivers sitting around with nothing to do.

00:35:49.260 So it's been good just because I've been able to get home.

00:35:54.340 It's easier to get time off, but it's definitely been an adjustment.

00:36:00.960 That's one thing I didn't think I'd need to adjust it to was being home every night.

00:36:07.340 there's there's such a big difference between how i've lived for two and a half years to

00:36:14.380 what i'm doing now

00:36:19.020 well good deal i'm glad that's working out so well um our next question

00:36:24.860 and i and i've got some things to say on this so um i've heard some people say there's a huge

00:36:30.940 difference between wokenism odinism and also true would you agree or disagree the only difference i

00:36:38.220 can see is that woodenism odinism is more prison outreach focused and also true is more family

00:36:45.260 focused um yeah i absolutely disagree there's not a huge difference between any of those things

00:36:54.060 i've addressed this on the on the show before but

00:36:56.620 but our people have this tendency to break off into increasingly small and increasingly irrelevant

00:37:05.700 groups of people by each acting like they're the first to invent the wheel or like they're doing

00:37:12.700 some new different take on things. And that has been, that tendency is really unfortunate. And

00:37:20.780 And it's in a whole lot of ways robbed our folk out of a great many things.

00:37:27.320 And in modern Ausitru, it has been a consistent stumbling block for us to make any progress.

00:37:34.840 One of the reasons we can't have nice things sometimes, or we have fewer nice things than we ought to have,

00:37:40.440 is we have this tendency to balkanize and fracture

00:37:44.680 and dissipate our potential energy

00:37:51.500 in a million different directions

00:37:53.300 that often don't go anywhere.

00:37:55.320 It's really important to me

00:37:58.620 that we honor the consistent stream of our faith

00:38:03.320 since, you know, in the ancient times,

00:38:09.860 but also since it's reawakening. It's reawakening in Europe, in the United States, in Australia.

00:38:19.000 All of those currents lead us to where we are today.

00:38:26.980 There's no big official difference between Alcetru Odenism and Wodenism. It's just

00:38:35.720 three different kinds of people trying to rebrand what they do to be their own their

00:38:42.760 own little thing and I mean we've we've seen that um there's also true and then there's not 0.93

00:38:51.720 in a similar way that there's two genders now in this day and age it gets really confusing

00:38:59.680 because there's like people claiming there's 50 different things and somebody just comes up with

00:39:05.120 some new thing every day and it doesn't change the fundamental truth of the matter

00:39:11.840 but what it does is confuse a lot of people and i think that's what we see happening here within our

00:39:17.440 faith everybody wants to be different say well you guys practice house of true i'm a i'm a norse

00:39:24.160 pagan or i'm i'm a heathen or i'm i'm an odinist all of those things

00:39:30.080 chip away at the for lack of a better term brand integrity of what also true means

00:39:40.320 it's really important something we owe our gods our ancestors our children

00:39:45.820 that this is something we take seriously and this this is something that is respectable

00:39:53.480 and that they has a reputation reputation meant everything to our ancestors and when you divide

00:40:00.640 the same thing into 10 different meaningless distinctions in order to make you know one

00:40:10.140 group of people feel special you cheapen it to the general public to where they don't really

00:40:15.920 understand what else a true is and what it isn't what about all these other things what about what

00:40:21.400 this guy over here calls himself. The more we do that, we dilute the value that the word

00:40:27.460 Alcetru should hold. And so by that same token, honoring that collective current that's brought

00:40:33.820 us here, Alcetru is the name that our founder, Steve McNallan, back in 1968.

00:40:46.840 Yeah, I think he discovered it at that time, and then he incorporated it. His first organization

00:40:50.820 was the viking brotherhood but very shortly after that in 1972 he founded the austral free assembly

00:40:57.380 which is the predecessor organization to the austral folk assembly but austral was a word

00:41:05.620 that steve discovered in in first book he read about this that described our faith

00:41:13.940 positively by people who practiced it. The idea that we're proclaiming our loyalty to the Isir

00:41:22.000 as opposed to other names for it that outside groups would describe us as.

00:41:31.900 None of our ancestors would have ever used the word heathen. It didn't have a meaning.

00:41:35.400 Heathen meant, in contrast to the people in the cities, the people out in the heath that practiced

00:41:42.020 their old ancestral faith instead of the new urban faith. And the urban centers is where

00:41:48.920 Christianity spread from, or the term pagan. Our ancestors didn't describe themselves as pagan.

00:41:56.300 Early Christians described our ancestors as pagan. So that was a really important distinction. And

00:42:01.900 it's the term that's won out and stood the test of time. As it stands now, that's one of the reasons,

00:42:08.800 And we held off for a little while in celebrating both Hoskold and Stubba, being that they were the founding fathers of the Odenic Rite, in, I guess, hopes or not knowing for sure what the fate of the Odenic Rite was.

00:42:33.140 But since since pretty much the turn of this century, maybe 2005 at the latest, the odenic right has been almost invisible and largely non-existent.

00:42:51.140 I'm told that it still exists technically as an entity, but I've seen it have no activity

00:42:59.380 and become completely obscure and not have any fame anymore, and these people deserve

00:43:04.540 better than that, so I want to honor their contribution to what we do and to the current

00:43:09.660 that has brought Ausatru to where it is today.

00:43:12.220 other than just to preach at you my idea about the importance of what's in a name

00:43:21.520 to answer your question a little bit more specifically you can make general I don't know

00:43:28.780 assumptions based on what people call themselves and I think those perhaps are different in

00:43:37.160 different times and different places. As it is now, I think that people in, in prison are folkish

00:43:45.940 practitioners in prison are most likely to call themselves Odinist as opposed to Ausatru. And

00:43:53.820 again, I think that's a general rule of thumb. I don't think that's unilateral there. I think

00:43:59.880 people who, and again, these, in anything I say here, people will chime in. No, that's not what

00:44:11.720 we think. And I'm not trying to put words in people's mouths. I am trying to shed a little

00:44:15.480 bit of light on the question because I think it's important. There was a time that Ausatru was used

00:44:22.320 by universalists as well as by folkish practitioners that seems to have stopped

00:44:28.640 largely except except for an outside of iceland uh the iceland the icelanders that practice

00:44:35.200 also true their uh their organization the also true feligeth is a very universal organization

00:44:42.960 and that's very unfortunate where it certainly has become that uh by our day um they use the

00:44:50.560 term house to true outside of that we've seen the universalists and the uh the leftists move

00:44:57.280 very far away from using the term house to true um they've tended to prefer using the word heathen

00:45:04.000 instead or norse pagan and they associate also true with with wrong think and with all of the

00:45:13.680 things that we that we know and love and celebrate and so that's been a that's been

00:45:18.800 a strong achievement one of the reasons that that i am so adamant in my position on it

00:45:24.960 but often people with a prison background use the term odinist

00:45:28.400 often people with a skinhead background like the term odinist and prefer that term

00:45:35.840 different people of of various right-wing political stripes

00:45:41.360 rarely i'd say it's much rarer to use the term wodenist and much more common to use the term

00:45:47.680 odinist but like i said these are all these are all generalizations we've always used the term

00:45:53.760 also true it's the banner that we are trying to get all of our folk to rally behind uh moving

00:45:59.680 forward and uh this shared movement um these founders that we celebrate as our heroes are

00:46:10.880 the common shared ancestors of our faith and uh just because they may have called something they

00:46:18.960 practice different and no doubt the the religion that stubba practice is very different from the

00:46:25.520 way that we practice house true today in the house true folk assembly that's because we're

00:46:30.400 a living faith and we evolve over time as we get better and build a stronger and more time-tested

00:46:37.600 relationship with our gods um that will always be the case and i would imagine that you know

00:46:43.440 a hundred years from now the afa will have evolved to a better you know a better more streamlined

00:46:51.920 um closer relationship with the gods and a better way of practicing our

00:46:56.640 faith and i hope that i hope that always continues um our next question still coming early in the

00:47:05.440 show uh guten often gentlemen how is y'all's night going my night is going fantastic i'm uh

00:47:14.480 i'm excited because when i get off this program i am getting a ride to the airport and flying

00:47:20.160 out to freyfaxia baldersoff so i'm i'm pretty excited cody how are you doing tonight

00:47:25.200 uh i'm doing great uh we we drove all the way up up here uh into minnesota last

00:47:34.320 little this morning and we're just we're excited to be

00:47:39.040 be at the hof and and you know celebrating frey faxy and meeting all sorts of uh

00:47:50.000 all sorts of people um a lot of new faces a lot of old faces they're just just feeling great

00:47:59.280 awesome glad to hear it

00:48:03.040 I'm trying to make sense of a question over here in the side, or it was more a note to me from Nick.

00:48:22.160 um yeah maybe when i was talking about tyler heineland who is a folk builder who is hosting

00:48:31.080 uh freres harvest feast in montana apparently i mislabeled what he is i'm not sure what i said

00:48:38.400 he did but he is in fact a folk builder uh can matt speak about the eldry calls

00:48:45.740 um kind of sort of uh one question that was going around in the in the chat is you know um

00:48:55.660 a lady i believe in new zealand was commenting she didn't see a lot of

00:48:59.100 um older people in the austro folk assembly and that's very much not the case we have a very

00:49:04.140 healthy amount of elders in the afa and we're we're very proud of that we we love and respect

00:49:12.540 our elders so much and uh one of those elders githya sheila mcnalen has taken it upon herself to

00:49:19.740 start a group just for our members over 50. and it's you know a social media groups to

00:49:28.780 where they can chat and talk regularly and they get together i believe yeah they get together

00:49:37.500 weekly on fridays to have a group video conference to talk to one another and build friendships and

00:49:44.620 relate over things when i said i can only talk on it a little bit um i've still got eight years

00:49:50.060 before i can join that group so i don't uh i don't you know in intrude on our elders conversation

00:49:57.260 that uh that i haven't earned by my years the right to really be in yet but i do look forward

00:50:02.780 to that when it's time to be in there and i've heard nothing but good things from people who

00:50:06.380 have participated in it um it sounds like it's a very positive thing so please know that's out

00:50:11.900 there if you're not involved with that and you are a member of the afa over 50 reach out to your local

00:50:17.420 folk builders so they can get you get you squared away get you dialed in and get you involved with

00:50:21.820 others other elders like yourself in the afa uh question do we have any books pamphlets or

00:50:30.940 writings in general from stoba if so is it slash them available on pdf uh as pdf on archive or

00:50:40.540 perhaps the wayback machine uh cody mentioned this a little bit in his in his talk but there's

00:50:46.780 one the book of bloats that is i believe it's being it's for sale by the odenic right australia

00:50:56.060 i think he was a contributor on some publications that the odenic red the regular odenic rights

00:51:03.340 website sells i'm not certain other than that cody are you aware if any of those other materials are

00:51:09.500 available on pdf anywhere um i i have looked i've got several places i usually look for this kind

00:51:18.380 of stuff and everything i've seen we've just got the book of bloats um i did um come across with

00:51:27.980 the help of uh steen um who did uh host gold um come across the book uh this is odinism

00:51:37.980 by stubble the issue with that is it is sold in the uk um on one website um they do not do

00:51:47.900 uh shipping outside of the uk so getting it to the u.s would be

00:51:54.620 fairly expensive and kind of an ordeal but unfortunately everywhere i've looked that's

00:52:02.460 that's all we've got all right uh next question uh cody when did you realize us aereo folk

00:52:17.100 whites deserve to exist as our own folk with our own culture and spirituality

00:52:26.780 it was it was probably

00:52:36.700 just after high school is um it was when i i started kind of looking into

00:52:45.740 a bit of my ancestry because like a lot of people i heard we had a cherokee princess in the

00:52:53.180 in there uh turns out we didn't and um and the more i more i looked into everything and the more

00:53:01.500 it was um you know you've got everybody saying oh well you know i was a true sword for everybody

00:53:09.660 and anyone can do it and then as soon as you mentioned you know a native american faith

00:53:17.420 japanese shintoism any of those as closed practices they start getting a little defensive

00:53:23.980 and that kind of that's what kind of made me realize hey we we do deserve to have our ethnic

00:53:33.660 fate there's no one who can take that away from us good deal um what uh cody what virtue do you

00:53:47.180 think that stoba most represented in his life which of our noble virtues

00:53:55.580 oh that's

00:53:56.300 that's a bit of a hard one i i would have to say maybe industriousness he put a lot of work into

00:54:11.580 forming the odenic right to the point where he made a he created a group prior to

00:54:18.780 that sole purpose was setting up for the odenic rite um he put in a lot of work preserving um

00:54:29.100 important locations like the white horse stone um and he even even in his you know the end of

00:54:39.660 his life when he was sick with cancer he was still trying to write a write a history and he

00:54:49.660 was working on getting a collection of odinus music put together and so i think that would be

00:54:57.420 what the one virtue that um i personally believe best describes him

00:55:03.420 yeah i think uh i agree with you on that first um that's that's what i was going to say and

00:55:10.940 certainly that characterizes again i wish we knew more but everything we know about the man's life

00:55:19.420 was you know does not seem like he was the man to sit back and wonder what could be he was the

00:55:31.220 man to go out and throw himself into the balance to see what he could make happen.

00:55:41.000 I don't know the nature of his service in the British Army, whether it was compulsory or

00:55:46.680 volunteer, but certainly his action in Spain was on a volunteer basis. His two different terms that

00:55:55.320 he served in the French Foreign Legion were something he was doing as a volunteer. That

00:55:59.900 was his choice to go do. And, you know, all of those things were extremely dangerous, especially

00:56:07.240 at that time period. And it sounds like throughout the rest of his life, you know, he was part of all

00:56:13.480 these different groups and organizations trying to do things he believed in. He was active in

00:56:19.960 everything he was a part of in the, you know, the Royal Stewart Society. He wasn't, I think he was

00:56:25.820 though. Yeah, he was high up in that organization. He was an active mover and shaker, not just a guy

00:56:33.540 who paid his dues and got a newsletter. He wanted to be very involved. And we see that right on

00:56:39.480 through as long as his health permitted. So I absolutely, I think industriousness defines his

00:56:46.340 character as certainly as it's come down to us. Yes, he was a vice president in the Royal Student

00:56:51.900 society there we go um what obstacles did you encounter when research researching stoba

00:57:01.020 and how can we prevent that for folks that will become heroes one day

00:57:07.580 really the biggest biggest obstacle was just the the sources we we have two sources for um

00:57:18.300 for still his life and so that really limits what we know and to be honest those two resources

00:57:29.900 a lot of the information was either the same or very similar there wasn't a lot of extra between

00:57:35.580 the two so the best way i could say to prevent it and this is something i've talked about with

00:57:46.300 with some of the men is recording things um not not just you know the the great accomplishments

00:57:56.940 you have some of the more mundane stuff um and record your own life i mean who's who's going to

00:58:05.100 be able to tell your story better than yourself if if you've got you know elderly grandparents

00:58:12.540 you know write down some of their stories i i just think overall as a whole we need to be

00:58:21.360 keeping a record of these stories keeping a record of people's lives because otherwise

00:58:28.940 we end up in a situation just like with host gold and stubbo where we know

00:58:34.260 we know some stuff but it's such a small scope

00:58:39.200 yeah i think that's i think that's really important for all of us i think uh you know

00:58:49.160 certainly that's important to keep the uh keep the memories of your parents and your

00:58:56.060 grandparents alive and pass those on to your children in a in a broader sense for people

00:59:02.080 involved in our faith and in bigger things, one thing I wish that our folk would embrace

00:59:14.540 to a higher degree than they do is reputation and fame. Reputation and fame were the keys

00:59:22.600 to a successful and well-lived life to our ancestors. One of the most celebrated values

00:59:30.340 of Alcitru is becoming a hero by building fame, by building reputation. You know, the Haveamal

00:59:37.800 talks about cattle die and kinsmen die, but one thing that does not die is the reputation,

00:59:43.060 is the good reputation for one who's earned it. That's very important, and so many people today

00:59:50.560 are so very scared of associating their name or their face or their identity with things that

00:59:59.400 they deeply believe in. And it's very hard to internalize that, you know, courage is only

01:00:06.820 courage if there's consequence. If there's no potential consequence to a show of courage,

01:00:12.320 then it's not really that courageous. There's a very important value to be learned from folks

01:00:18.000 like Stubba of going out there and being counted for the things that you believe in and not just

01:00:26.680 kind of casually support from a distance. The more our heroes put their names and faces on the

01:00:35.140 things that they do, the easier it is to have their legacy last and have those of us who

01:00:41.480 desperately want to know more about them, be able to learn some about them and the life they lived

01:00:47.240 and the things they accomplished. And that was, that was the dream of our ancestors is to be

01:00:52.780 remembered and celebrated in that way. And the more folks keep their head down, the less they'll

01:01:00.040 get that notoriety and celebration after they pass, unfortunately. And this goes to another

01:01:06.580 point, and I saw this over in the chat. People made the point that you can worship correctly

01:01:14.920 and believe the right things and be pious and faithful and call your religion, you know,

01:01:22.740 anything you want to call it by many different names. Of course you can. But that puts all the

01:01:29.560 focus on the internal. You for your own spiritual advancement could absolutely do that. But the

01:01:36.180 trouble is when you do that, you're not building and helping the rest of us. By us all doing

01:01:44.060 something under a common banner and using a name consistently and putting that brand on our good

01:01:50.620 deeds and on our faith we make it known that there's a value to that word there's a value to

01:01:56.780 that faith it has a meaning and when when our folk are out there and they discover they don't want to

01:02:05.100 be part of christianity and they want to know what their options are if you call what you do some

01:02:12.300 obscure thing that's one less voice in the chorus of here's also true welcome home

01:02:19.660 the more of us that label what we do very clearly and distinctly also true the more that we build

01:02:27.820 a value to where that has a meaning if you go anywhere in this world and you talk about

01:02:32.940 christianity everyone knows what you're talking about it has a meaning if you mention also true

01:02:39.820 very few do if you mention any of the other terms for house to true even less understand what you're

01:02:45.420 talking about so one of the one of the best you know about building reputation if we build

01:02:51.980 reputation around that word we shape and build a place for for the rest of our folk to come home to

01:03:03.100 you know i wonder where many of us would be if we didn't know that was the option or we didn't

01:03:07.420 stumble upon you know the random youtube video or the the random article in a google search

01:03:14.460 how many of us would have been able to find our way home um so i think that there's a tremendous

01:03:21.900 value in us all being consistent in how we refer to ourselves so that our folk know that we exist

01:03:29.340 so society knows that we exist and so that we can be counted and build reputation

01:03:37.420 have a number of questions just come in. I have a question. Can we organize meetings for birthday

01:03:47.500 parties between the AFA? Of course you can, but I don't think that as the whole, the entire AFA

01:03:54.240 is going to do that because this is a good problem to have. We just have too many members.

01:03:59.900 Right now, if there's only so many days in a year, we have enough members to where

01:04:06.920 we have birthdays every single day in the afa and we have a lot of different days that have

01:04:13.400 you know many birthdays stacked on them so i think that's something that you know local groups

01:04:18.760 absolutely should do and i think it's a nice thing to do i think it's just we've we've grown

01:04:24.440 to a point where it would be very hard to do that as an organization as a church um

01:04:30.120 Another question. Are there a lot of young people in the AFA, young adults like people around their early to mid 20s? Yes, absolutely. I think that is the demographic that's had the most growth in the AFA over the last seven years.

01:04:50.900 um i think that's a people in that age bracket are well over half of the new applicants we get

01:05:00.660 i would say so i think that's very very healthy uh healthily represented in our membership and

01:05:06.560 we see that a lot of places one of the biggest things we see is just an outpouring of of young

01:05:14.560 families uh folks in their in their 20s with with little kids and new young people getting married

01:05:22.720 and starting families i think that's our biggest demographic that i've seen what what have you seen

01:05:27.200 in regards demographics on that cody yeah i've seen it's it's been a lot of it's been a lot of

01:05:36.800 the early mid-20s um we do have some some older members that have been joining as well but one

01:05:43.760 thing i've noticed is um is families um i mean we we just had a member just a couple months ago

01:05:52.160 join with the family um i mean it's been it's been wonderful to see um and i think it's i think it's

01:06:02.480 really inspiring that we've got we've got such a such a wide range of of ages and

01:06:16.000 i just i really hope it uh continues like that and i'm i'm doing what i can

01:06:24.800 next question what do you think of when universalists try to argue people of other

01:06:30.800 races have experiences with the gods i think that

01:06:45.520 it is seldom useful to argue with people about things that involve their subjective experience

01:06:57.600 I don't think that they're going to listen. If you just straight up say, you know, no, you don't.

01:07:05.600 I don't think that's useful. And I think that another thing, and this is out of perhaps an abundance of piety, but I don't, I don't think it's appropriate for me to

01:07:22.600 say that the gods couldn't do that if they wanted to do that but i also don't

01:07:33.720 believe or see why they would do that what i think is a what i think occurs

01:07:41.640 in those situations is we have a lot of people that are very confused i think that when we have

01:07:47.480 religious experience or supernatural experience in general, we put that in the context that we're

01:08:00.220 familiar with. I think that if we, you know, if you're trying to think, and we've had this happen

01:08:12.220 with people that were formerly christian so if they

01:08:20.140 if they have any sort of interaction with the supernatural while they're christian

01:08:26.780 well it's god it's jesus it's angels it's demons if they continue having that exact

01:08:34.620 same interaction once they become also true and they put that in a whole different framework

01:08:40.860 you know if if their ancestors are interacting with them in a christian context i think it's

01:08:49.740 much harder to accept that at face value so i think they funnel that into guardian angels or

01:08:56.380 maybe saints or whatever the case might be and i think people do that in whatever whatever

01:09:03.580 context they find themselves you see especially during conversion periods

01:09:11.100 native americans for example you see them take their native american faith and

01:09:17.580 overlay that or interpret that through christianity when they try to get converted so

01:09:22.620 there's a strange overlap but you choose to identify things with the context you're comfortable

01:09:31.100 with i think very often if you have a uh you know let's say you have a black person that's

01:09:39.180 particularly you know spiritually sensitive and having interactions with something beyond the

01:09:46.060 normal um if they think vikings are really cool and are focused on trying to you know viking larp

01:09:57.580 and that's the the mythology that they're excited about then i think they would try to force those

01:10:03.260 supernatural things into those holes rather than consider their ancestors and their native gods

01:10:09.020 trying to reach out to them in some way or an interaction that way you you rush to what you

01:10:15.420 know and if that's what you feel like you know that's the label you put on it um i think it is

01:10:21.260 a big challenge and even for us who are also true to accept spiritual experience on its own terms

01:10:31.740 instead of trying to force it into what we want it to be or what we happen to be most familiar with

01:10:40.060 and i think that a little bit of honesty with ourselves is really important fundamentally i think

01:10:45.340 I think that other races of people claiming to have interactions with our gods and our ancestors and our heroes are fundamentally not being honest with themselves about what spiritual experience they might be having.

01:11:06.100 And I think it'd be much more fulfilling for them if they were open to the authenticity that that experience might entail.

01:11:15.340 What do you think on that, Cody?

01:11:17.260 Do you have any thoughts about that?

01:11:21.960 Mostly I just agree with you, but, yeah, one thing, you've got to realize that our gods are, you know, in pop culture.

01:11:38.620 Depictions of our gods are in pop culture.

01:11:40.880 they're you know thor and odin they're their household names at this point so

01:11:48.560 that's going to influence somebody that's gonna they're gonna immediately be like well that that

01:11:54.960 right there that's what i that's what i saw so um and the other thing is there's there's not a lot of

01:12:04.240 other large religious groups like us there's not a lot of large folk religious groups um so

01:12:15.600 you know a a black guy could could have these experiences but he he doesn't he doesn't know his

01:12:23.760 own um his own ethnic faith he does know he you know this is what this is what owen's like this

01:12:33.120 This is what Thor's like.

01:12:34.500 So he's going to assign that kind of stuff to our gods.

01:12:39.660 And the other problem we have is we've got people reinforcing that.

01:12:44.300 Universalists are reinforcing that idea.

01:12:47.200 So it's a bit of an uphill battle for us. 1.00

01:12:51.160 But I have noticed that it's becoming less and less of a problem. 0.99

01:13:01.260 it's still it's still an issue we have but um the folk religions are actually

01:13:07.340 you know more readily accepted than they were just a few years ago

01:13:11.980 all right next up mr clausen good to see you here what are your five favorite books

01:13:18.140 my favorite books um well the spear by uh stephen mcnallan uh i i got it and had it read in a few

01:13:36.140 hours it is amazing um i am a i'm a huge fan of old westerns so uh lewis lamora's books um he's got

01:13:48.140 you know over a hundred books he's written and i i love that stuff i love the old old west all

01:13:55.340 that americana um zane gray is another really good author um um children's books i i keep going back

01:14:05.660 and rereading every once in a while uh the aragon series i grew up with that um the the fantasy in

01:14:15.100 And it just really captured me.

01:14:18.080 I loved it more than all the Harry Potter books.

01:14:22.320 And then the one I'm currently reading, The Serpent of Paradise by Miguel Serrano.

01:14:31.440 I'm really enjoying that.

01:14:35.680 All right.

01:14:36.900 What is your favorite saga?

01:14:41.740 Oh.

01:14:45.100 okay and what is your favorite hobby my favorite hobby um i haven't had a lot since i've been a

01:15:04.300 truck driver um but i got into wood burning recently been loving it all right there you go

01:15:12.460 uh we have a question coming in from a listener on odyssey thank you very much

01:15:17.100 to the folks out there listening on odyssey we appreciate you guys it's good to get one of your

01:15:21.260 questions um okay if packs of crows are brutally killing your newly born lamb

01:15:39.180 would odin frown at you protecting the flock

01:15:44.460 note pros are very smart and there's plenty of roadkill around the area cheers um

01:15:54.540 i don't get to dictate what odin would or wouldn't be upset about

01:15:59.180 but i see no reason to think that he would be upset um because he happens to

01:16:09.260 have two symbolic pet ravens i don't think that he you know is

01:16:16.220 personally involved with uh every every corvid out there and their uh their scavenging experience

01:16:23.420 honestly no of course you're going to protect your stuff from anything and anyone who tries

01:16:29.820 to scavenge it or tries to brutally kill it i'm looking out for and protecting yours

01:16:35.500 I certainly have every reason to believe that the All-Father would understand that.

01:16:43.420 Another question also from Odyssey, does the AFA have a wiki of sorts on our heroes and important

01:16:51.340 works? No, and I don't really know how we would create one of those, but it's interesting and

01:16:58.180 I'm going to talk to our tech support people about that because it's curious. What we do have is we

01:17:04.340 a lot of information on our website we have a library with a lot of our works there and we

01:17:10.180 also have a calendar of our holy days both the uh holy observances we have rituals for and our day

01:17:20.100 all's all of our days of remembrance so at runestone.org you can find those things and

01:17:26.580 also like i said we've tried to put all the documents of the austro folk assembly that we

01:17:31.860 have access to in our library and we update that monthly with our runestones as they come out

01:17:38.980 our runestone is our uh newsletter and we have one of those now we've we've grown to the point

01:17:43.940 where we need you know four of those a month now one for each of our each of our hoff districts

01:17:51.700 um apparently my daughter is having a very rough evening i assume she is all right hope she's okay

01:18:01.860 background there uh she's with her mother so we're gonna assume that's all right um

01:18:11.300 next question what is your opinion about marriage and the relationship between men and women there

01:18:18.740 as in as in the marriage opinion on their relationship during the marriage okay um

01:18:31.860 So a couple of general thoughts on marriage.

01:18:36.320 Marriage is really important.

01:18:39.060 We place a lot of value on marriage in the AFA.

01:18:45.040 It's very important to us that we all have a similar idea of what that means.

01:18:53.140 as as a gothi afa gothar only perform legally binding marriages because that makes a difference

01:19:08.440 we take it really seriously and

01:19:11.580 as i said before you know there's no courage unless there's consequence

01:19:19.460 it's very it's very easy to make agreements oaths and pacts with people if they're not binding in

01:19:30.060 any physical way to our ancestors our whole society was built around the reputation and

01:19:38.400 if they were to break oaths they would be shunned and rejected by by their society by their village

01:19:44.460 by their tribe by their elders whatever the case might be today we don't have that same

01:19:54.540 social reaction to people who throw away what are meant to be lasting and eternal agreements

01:20:03.580 so making sure that a marriage is legally binding means that it's not something you can just

01:20:09.420 quickly tossed aside there's at least a process there's at least consequence

01:20:14.940 it's it's a real thing whereas just ceremonial marriages

01:20:20.220 are only as real as the couple wants them to be while they're in a good place

01:20:26.540 so that's really important that kind of enshrines how important marriage is to us

01:20:31.260 As far as men and women's roles and relationship within the marriage, it is very, very important

01:20:42.720 that each are supportive of one another and that they take active responsibility in things.

01:20:53.460 Natural, traditional gender roles are important to our folk, but I don't think that has to be

01:21:00.680 to a silly 1950s TV show LARP level.

01:21:08.080 I think relationships between adult people

01:21:10.520 have a spectrum of behavior that's appropriate

01:21:15.900 and then that's not.

01:21:18.120 It's really important that the man take leadership

01:21:22.100 in his household and takes a leadership position

01:21:25.200 and making sure that his family is functioning correctly and is uh spiritually fulfilled one

01:21:35.040 of the things that i've seen in modern times in a you know not a theoretical way but in a very real

01:21:40.240 way is men acquiescing to wives that perhaps aren't house a true or don't want to raise their

01:21:48.000 children in this and men just kind of throwing up their hands and well we'll let them decide when

01:21:53.840 they're old enough it's your responsibility as a father to make sure your children are raised

01:21:58.400 correctly to the best of your ability and it doesn't mean avoiding difficult conversations

01:22:04.800 or avoiding arguments with your wife it means actively making sure that your children's

01:22:10.320 spiritual needs are met and that's something i've seen a lot i think we can get into theoretical

01:22:18.160 like man wears the pants in the family conversations all day long and i think

01:22:22.720 in an idealized general circumstance i think there's a truth to that but i think

01:22:29.120 and i think this has always been the case in functional marriages that are built out of

01:22:34.800 loving relationships there is a partnership there and i don't think that partnership

01:22:40.000 ever breaks down truly 50-50. I don't think it ever breaks down 100% along stereotypical

01:22:50.240 gender role lines. I think different couples have different strengths and weaknesses,

01:22:54.880 but it's absolutely a wife's job to be supportive of her husband and to

01:22:59.780 follow his lead in the household the best that she can. And I think it's very,

01:23:05.760 very important that husbands take an active role in leading their family and making sure

01:23:10.160 they're provided for physically, spiritually, emotionally, in all of those ways. Any specifics,

01:23:19.440 it would come down to what the specific of the situation is for me to really be able to talk

01:23:23.560 intelligently on it. Cody, do you have any insight on that? Mostly just that

01:23:32.160 you know the husband and wife need to be able to play off of each other a lot especially in

01:23:42.760 in an age where you know maybe the husband can't you know fully support you know a family just on

01:23:52.580 their income so I think it's really important that you find your strengths and your weaknesses

01:24:00.220 and kind of go from there, because otherwise you could end up pretty unhappy in your marriage.

01:24:15.940 All right.

01:24:20.140 So next question, why do you guys dress in button-ups and ties?

01:24:25.540 I like it, just wondering the motivation.

01:24:27.980 why do other groups dress in iron age garb i'm glad that you asked the question

01:24:34.300 um we dress in you know button-up shirts ties our ladies wear dresses

01:24:45.780 we wear suits i'll be wearing a suit this weekend when i'm at the hof

01:24:50.440 because that's what serious or formal western dress is culturally in the west that's how it's

01:25:02.860 evolved when you're at something that's that you take seriously if you're going to a wedding if

01:25:08.800 you're going to a funeral and this is certainly people do this when they go to church but the

01:25:14.860 reason isn't because Jesus says you need a suit and tie. The reason is when white people dress 0.97

01:25:22.540 nicely to do something they take seriously, this is what they do. You do it if you're going to have 0.89

01:25:28.200 an interview. You do it if you're going to go to court. You do it if you're going to go to,

01:25:33.960 you know, your grandmother's birthday party, perhaps. You do it when you're going to an

01:25:38.460 event that's important to you. And there's nothing that's more important than representing our gods

01:25:44.580 in our faith or going to a house of worship to do worship to our gods and it's the same principle

01:25:52.660 that our ancestors followed as well it talks about when they were to go to to the thing or

01:25:57.540 the law assembly or when they were go to bloat they would wear their best attire they would

01:26:01.620 wear their finest attire now in 700 that attire looked very different than it does in 2023 and

01:26:10.180 perhaps you know a thousand years from now uh the style of formal dress will look different as well

01:26:17.300 and that's okay one of the reasons and this goes to answering the second part of your question

01:26:24.260 we dress like this because this is a living faith our ancestors dressed in the the height of

01:26:32.660 fashion and what was appropriate during the time that they lived in

01:26:36.020 um other groups

01:26:38.900 i think other groups get caught up in a mindset of seeing our faith only through the lens of

01:26:49.660 ancient peoples and that was a stage that you know many people in in the astro folk assembly

01:26:55.820 in the very early days went through um but our faith is is living and just as relevant today

01:27:03.520 as it was to our viking ancestors as it will be to our space-faring descendants as it was to neolithic

01:27:13.680 of our folk much before the viking age it's important to realize that you know a viking

01:27:19.280 age gothi didn't dress up like a caveman to be more spiritual he was dressing in a modern way

01:27:27.120 for the time period in which he lived and i think that's what people who are serious about their

01:27:31.920 faith as they grow and mature in it come to um you know you don't see christians dressed up in

01:27:41.520 sandals and first century judean man dress garbs when they go to church unless they're

01:27:48.640 you know in a in some kind of a christmas play or something

01:27:53.360 the reason is because their faith is a living faith and they don't see

01:27:57.680 their god and their faith is only existing in an ancient period of time i think it's really

01:28:03.520 important for our folk that we see the relevance of our faith in our everyday modern existence

01:28:10.960 and the way you dress affects a lot of things um so that's it that's why i think it's more

01:28:15.600 important to dress in a modern formal way than in a you know a how you suspected the

01:28:22.240 the vikings used to dress when they were trying to get fancy um but then comes the difference

01:28:28.800 of dressing nice versus dressing very very casually and you dress nice because we take

01:28:34.960 it serious and it's important dress nice for the same reason you dress nice for any other

01:28:39.840 occasion you dress nice to because you think the occasion is important and because you want to

01:28:45.520 impress the persons that are at the event we want to impress our other folk by looking our very best

01:28:53.200 but we also want to impress our gods by showing them our very best selves it's something that we

01:29:00.160 owe them it's something we owe each other and you take yourself much more seriously you conduct

01:29:06.080 yourself differently you bring a whole different energy when you look good and you're dressed well

01:29:12.560 than when you're dressed slovenly and you and you you look like you didn't take a lot of care in

01:29:17.680 your appearance uh and so that's that's certainly a truth that we found same uh same guy who had the

01:29:25.920 question i i'm sorry i can't really make out the the name i assume it's a gentleman it might be a

01:29:32.080 lady um i have slavic pagan groups wear white and red tunics floral crowns and hellenic groups

01:29:42.400 wear white togas looking garb that's not larping with question mark uh what a uniform look of

01:29:49.920 tradition since during unity and uniformity all right i think there's some just translation stuff

01:29:57.840 but i think i'm getting getting what what's getting put down there no i first i think that

01:30:02.560 the uh white and red slavic garb is really beautiful um you see that in a much more modern

01:30:10.720 way than certainly you see the the faux viking tunics no i don't think that's larping at all

01:30:17.200 because i think that cultural dress has maintained its importance in slavic countries up to our day

01:30:24.480 so i think that's it is cultural but i think that it's still relevant in a modern world and i think

01:30:32.160 that when people look on it doesn't look silly and ridiculous when people see people in the united 0.58

01:30:38.080 say it's dressed in pretend viking outfits to practice their faith it looks silly and it brings 0.93

01:30:46.240 laughter and ridicule upon us by society at large that sees it because it doesn't

01:30:52.400 it looks like we're acting it doesn't look like we're participating in a real legitimate faith

01:31:00.400 i assume that in greece if you are wearing a toga that that's not in any way a current

01:31:06.640 modern dress and i think that does look larpy in an alfredistic but i think that your slavic

01:31:12.880 situation is really different i think it'd be similar in a lot of ways to um if you're in

01:31:18.160 bavaria and you're wearing lederhosen yes it's old-timey dress but it's not completely

01:31:23.920 inappropriate there's still a modern cultural context for that that makes it uh you know not 0.74

01:31:28.960 look ridiculous i think that for celtic people wearing a wearing a kilt looks can look very

01:31:35.360 dressed very nice people often wear kilts to weddings again it's cultural and it's an older 0.82

01:31:41.760 way of dress but it's not it's not out of use and it's not pretending that you live in a different

01:31:49.200 time period and it's not the intentional dressing up as a person of a different age it has an

01:31:54.240 entirely different meaning um so that's uh i don't know cody have you encountered

01:32:06.480 have you encountered people dressing in uh viking age garb in your your journey in house to true

01:32:14.320 yeah yeah i've met uh i've met my fair share of people who uh who uh who did that i was

01:32:22.400 i was one of those people who thought hey i need to bring a drinking horn everywhere i

01:32:26.400 i go so i had one that hung from my belt uh every single day um i got rid of that pretty

01:32:32.880 quick but yeah yeah it's it's pretty common um you know and that's something you know folks

01:32:42.480 that are listening that you'll find in universalist groups often you don't find that in

01:32:50.000 focus house true groups hardly ever anymore you certainly don't find that in the afa but if you

01:32:57.360 go to those lefty groups you do and one thing that characterizes the typical person that does that

01:33:05.600 is a lack of seriousness and you don't see that the same across the board and this has very much

01:33:11.840 been my experience over the last 20 years and i think there's a lot to that i think at an earlier

01:33:17.920 or earlier stage announced to choose development i think that's a phase a lot of people went through

01:33:22.800 but fortunately our predecessors went through that so uh so we don't have to reinvent that

01:33:28.720 wheel we can we can continue to advance the way that we are that's our last question we have up

01:33:35.200 for the evening it's been great talking with everybody i look forward to this every week

01:33:40.160 it's been great having you on cody thank you so much for coming on and educating us all about

01:33:45.360 stubble we appreciate it thank you yeah i've uh i've been nervous but really excited so

01:33:52.720 no you did a great job it'll be nice to have you on again sometime

01:33:57.440 and i look forward to seeing you and your family here uh tomorrow so yes we'll see you guys then

01:34:05.360 we're gonna have an amazing fray faxia baldershoff i hope y'all are able to join us um come on out

01:34:12.960 it's going to be a wonderful time so we got one last question and it's worth throwing in there

01:34:18.240 gentlemen what can we do to unite all decent focus groups under the tri-horn banner talk sense into

01:34:24.880 them and get them to join the afa tell them about the the good things that we have going on and the

01:34:31.120 biggest thing we are doing amazing things we're doing things that are really special i want

01:34:38.880 everybody who wants to to be a part of that we can accomplish so much more united than we can

01:34:46.960 in a bunch of different little backyard groups the afa has been leading the way

01:34:52.640 we are currently leading the way we're continuing to lead the way

01:34:58.160 we are so much stronger when everybody gets on the team if you want to be involved in something

01:35:03.040 Don't wait for perfect. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Be part of what we're doing

01:35:08.500 and help us to grow and develop in the right way. Help us to achieve the dreams that we all so much

01:35:16.420 want to achieve. We're doing great, but we'd be doing even better if you were with us.

01:35:21.400 So we invite you guys, if you're hearing this and you're eligible, please join the House True Folk

01:35:27.780 Assembly. We would love to have you part of our AFA family. And like I said, we are so much

01:35:32.160 stronger moving forward united all right guys hail the gods hail the folk hail the afa and remember

01:35:39.440 that victory never sleeps

01:36:02.160 Thank you.

01:36:32.160 Thank you.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - August 17, 2023

8⧸16⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 58 - John Yeowell ＂Stubba＂

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