00:13:44.880Some of them are, you know, absolutely keep a really visceral, really cool impact.
00:13:51.980And I was noticing that last time we were going through it.
00:13:56.680So I think what we'll do is we will, Svan will go through the Kinnings for Posey section,
00:14:03.780which is Section 10, and then we will answer the questions that we've got accumulated at that point,
00:14:14.340and then we will go through some different pieces as far as ways to describe the Holy Aesir.
00:14:24.520So without further ado, Svon, if you would like to take them through the king's proposing.
00:14:31.040all right and you said uh we were on section 10 yes
00:14:36.300do you take numbers with that do you think we're on something different
00:14:41.660uh no i don't i'm scanning through the pages to get to it um
00:14:48.900let me see here so we had just covered all the heighty and kennings for uh lord oven yes um
00:15:00.320Okay. So, Kennings for Posey in section 10. Now you all shall hear how the Scalds have termed the art of Posey poetry in these metaphorical phrases which have been recorded before.
00:15:19.560For example, by calling it Kvasir's Gore, and Ship of the Dwarves, Dwarves Mead, Mead of the Aesir, Giant's Father Ransom, Liquor of Ordreor, and of Baden and Son, and the fullness of these.
00:17:32.720That, again, is another point of Clossier's blood, poetry.
00:17:41.380Over all the dauntless shield host of him who speeds the fury of the shield wall's piercing sword bane.
00:17:53.600So, you know, the poetry will wave rush over all of the soldiers in the hall.
00:18:02.720And of him who speeds the fury of the shield wall, piercing sword bane.
00:18:08.500So that's most likely referring to the king or the earl or jarl, if you will.
00:18:17.700So he said, now he moves to another poet.
00:18:23.000Even as Ormir Steinthorson sang, the body of the dame and my dead be born into one hall, the drink of Dvalin, Franklin's here, the Franks or the Franklings, the folk themselves now will hear the drink of the dwarves.
00:18:49.340And Dvalin is almost completely synonymous with the dwarf.
00:18:55.880And again, the treachery of the dwarves, to be honest.
00:19:00.620So he's saying over and over again these different titles.0.83
00:22:14.040in one hall or maybe of one's hall i was gonna say uh the i with the dash over it doesn't mean
00:22:21.360i like me um but yeah all right so that's a strange bb it doesn't really help us here it's
00:22:32.520just an oddity i noticed in the text and again the connection to the the franklings um i know that
00:22:40.360i don't know if there's something there in relation to stone because i know stone is
00:22:48.220associated with the with the franks frankenstein etc but this seems to be um something i i don't
00:22:58.940know yeah but of his of his hall into one hall e ein hall so they kind of when we talk about
00:23:10.340And I know people are like, wait a minute, what's going on? Why are, why is it everything screeching to a halt? It's translation is strange like that, where things have to be rearranged.
00:23:22.060And so in the translation here, into one hall, the drink of Dvalin, Franklin's here.
00:24:38.040Now, one of the interesting things there is clearly the end rhyme. That was one of the most unique poems of the age is when Eil Skalagrimson composed poetry for Eric the Bloodaxe in York.
00:24:57.040york so to english sure and i wonder if the rhyming at the end was done kind of as also a flex i can
00:25:07.780i can do poetry in this way which is more popular here in england and in the old norse alliterative
00:25:16.460sense um at the same time it was kind of his way of doing both but he says here
00:29:46.400In this next part, and as Glummer Geirson sang, let the princely giver, that's the lord, prosperity is always in correlation with the ferocious nature of a lord.
00:30:09.840His ability to both conquer and to give. But it says in the translation, it's gold bidding. So the gold bidding prince, which I find interesting, they chose to do princely giver instead of saying gold giving or gold bidding prince.
00:30:35.660So knowing these words and being able to see them that way and looking into them is just absolutely priceless.
00:30:47.480And I would encourage all folks to at least get a cursory knowledge.
00:30:53.480And nowadays with AI, it's extremely easy to go and look up words.
00:30:58.580You no longer have to flip through pages, though I enjoy doing that.
00:36:40.980So here we have the reference of Odriar, the next verse is specifically chosen because of the mention of Baden, and then this one, of course, of Son. So covering the three cauldrons, but all, or two of them, different poets still saying it.
00:37:00.940Um, since grows of son, the seedling, the, uh, the, uh, things that come from the cauldron of poetry begin to take seed in our tongues, fertile sedge bank, true praise of our high Lord.
00:37:22.300So the seeds that flow forth or drop from Odin's beak, that was the billow and the rise of the cauldron sawn, falls down into the earth like seeds, but that earth is our tongue fertile ground.
00:37:40.400it's it's like layers upon layers of of kenning um then wallerstein sang
00:37:50.120here the heart streams of odin beat in cadence here poetry beating
00:37:59.480um again the heart streams too i think is is very interesting against my palates scary the gods
00:38:08.820spoil to me is given. The gods spoil as Lord Odin took the spoils of Kvassir's blood.
00:38:19.680Ormir Steinthorson. No verse of mine men need to fear. No mockery I intertwine. In Odin's spoil
00:38:31.600My skill is sure in forging songs of praise
00:38:59.360I show to host glad Aulever, the heart fjord's shoal of Odin.
00:39:12.540So the stemming, again, the heart coming from the center of Lord Odin.
00:39:20.220It is the rushing wave, the fjord, the poetry, the blood of Kvasir.
00:39:26.800Um, my song, him do I summon to hear the gift of Grimnir. He's not summoning Lord Odin. He's
00:39:37.500summoning the host glad Lord, whose name is Aulever. And he's saying, I summon him to listen to my
00:39:47.740words. Posie poetry is called the sea, or liquid of the dwarves, because Kvasir's blood was liquid0.99
00:40:00.840in Ordrior before the mead was made, and then it was put into the kettle, wherefore it is called
00:40:09.640odin's kettle liquor even as ivan they're saying and as we have recorded before so some people
00:40:20.220might be thinking like why is there such an emphasis here but this alone is a re-emergence
00:40:27.380of the faith uh this alone is kind of a stirring he was teaching icelanders how to
00:40:39.520speak with confidence about the elder stories they had to know the stories in order to understand
00:40:47.840the kennings so this is the finite and it's get a chance to kind of see into the minds of the
00:40:57.040scalds and of the lore but it also is this was right there it was about to fully uh burst open
00:41:06.760And again, according to Snorri, and again, it did, but not to the extent I think that he was hoping, but it did create the seeds for the true resurrection and return of our faith, which again, like Lord Balder, coming from the out of the dark, the mythic truth is that this is the seed that brought forth our faith again.
00:41:36.760So, while, thus Ivander sang, while his kin in the kettle brewing of the gallo lords to the gods I trace.
00:41:50.200So, reemphasizing that it was Lord Odin that has brewed the mead to its fullest extent and disperses it out to the scalds.
00:42:02.760Moreover, posy is called ship or ale of the dwarves. Ale is liv, and liv is a word for ships.
00:42:15.200Therefore, it is held that it is for this reason that poetry is now called the ship of dwarves.
00:44:38.120Um, and then also to at assemble, because not all oaths, um, are decreed at, at assemble. Oh, wow. Um, I, I, it's, I can't recall one right off the top of my head in a surprise question like that.
00:45:04.100I can't see the questions I'm reading from Velospout.
00:45:09.840That's why I like to throw you the tricky ones first.
00:45:18.760I mean, the only one that I can immediately recollect is a kinsman of old.
00:45:34.100of mine swearing off alcohol and it was to be done by the passing of a year and he did it and
00:45:51.220it kind of inspired me to construct my oath which i did not do at sumble in which i only drink now
00:46:00.500at bloat and at sumble and do not drink outside of those ceremonies i only drink in
00:46:10.980um communion uh that is made sacred and the space is made sacred um to share with the gods
00:46:21.480So that inspired me, and it was set forth that he would not drink and be done and beyond it, or basically attaining a year sober, which, you know, that's a year, that's a long time, that's a big thing.
00:46:44.140There was a lot of trepidation. There was the the the the kind of arbiter or adjudicator of the symbol throwed through a series of questions at him.
00:47:02.320and he held himself so well in his in the questioning that we decided to take that leap
00:47:11.780with him and he felt like it wasn't just his own health that was at risk but our luck
00:47:19.780so i think it helped him but pretty pretty impressive and scary at the same time
00:47:32.320I've been thinking, and I wish there was a – there have been lots when asked.
00:50:04.440so this is an interesting one because i think language plays a huge part in it when it comes
00:50:13.320to gendering language sometimes the sun and the moon are mentioned as being um like like uh that
00:50:23.020certain objects in the germanic language will have a masculine or feminine even though personhood
00:50:31.880isn't always associated if that makes sense however what the emphasis that i had made before
00:50:40.680about how uh that the the goddess the heavenly warden soul is a not the sun but the steward
00:50:54.040of the sun is a general understanding that we see from our ancestors that the divine powers
00:51:03.360are placed over primordial forces that the primordial forces are shaped set into alignment
00:51:11.800and given purpose and then say placed on track and then the being that is soul which we also
00:51:25.220call the sun and that causes confusion um is a steward of that primordial spark of muspelheim
00:51:36.120And so there's definition in there that gets confused.
00:51:44.280Now, comparison, when we look at all other Aryan traditions, we see only the ones that come into conflict with, say, like the Hellenics, with the sea and the Levantine people, the Hittites, the Luwians, they also ran into the Middle East, Middle Eastern people.
00:52:12.780the iranians and then to the indians um that run into the dravidians they all have had0.50
00:52:22.380multiple gender switches but linguistically through the uh aryan folks that have not run
00:52:30.960into other people the sun is seen and spoken linguistically as feminine now the major reason
00:52:39.600why and this is i think or the i have a theory and that theory is just again based on patterns
00:52:47.240and observing is that the sun is seen as the daughter of the sky so the lord of the sky
00:52:58.100the sky father if you will and i don't think the gods are simply can just be boiled down to sky
00:53:04.940daddy or you know earth mommy and and so on um but that the that soul is the daughter of heaven
00:53:18.280or the daughter of the sky or the daughter of sky father and that mauni is seen as the time
00:53:26.880keeper and cold and calculating and therefore is the son of the sky father if you will or the
00:53:37.340heavens however you know the evolution of it i don't know if it's something that we can go back
00:53:42.640and say oh yeah it was all boiled down to just sky daddy um so these concepts further uh
00:53:54.400complicate things because you have gendered language you have an inanimate object and then
00:53:59.540you have the the gods themselves and then the only way that we can really kind of show0.86
00:54:05.800differentiation and comparison is like with the hellenics it's completely opposite it's
00:54:12.480completely different um but yet you look at say like the lithuanian or um the uh latvian religion
00:54:21.860And again, you see the feminine sun and masculine moon. And when you go to the Mediterranean, I think that there is far more influence there than people consider.
00:54:36.800For instance, one of the ones, and this is, again, theoretical, and also kind of my opinion, is that, say, for instance, Deus, Pater, Zeus, Jupiter, going from carrying a singular scepter, which is uniquely, I believe, a European and proto-Indo-European Aryan symbol of governance.
00:55:06.800And of rulership. And then it was emphasized that it was a lightning bolt specifically. And if you look at the head of the Canaanites or the, as we know them as the Phoenicians, the Phoenician people, their head God had a lightning bolt.
00:55:28.380So I think that this was symbolic correlation. And it was also, I think, to facilitate some of the merging there. There was these Phoenicians coming into the Mediterranean lands, and they wanted to know, and they shared their religion and kind of saw equation there.
00:55:51.500and things kind of passed through but yet we see in other Aryan traditions like or even quasi
00:55:58.820like the Etruscans who are not fully Aryan or they're a proto-Indo-European mixed with
00:56:06.880another pre-existing group from that area that the Indo-Europeans migrated into all of the gods
00:56:14.000were capable of using lightning and so the focus there i believe shows that there is this
00:56:21.380cross-pollinization this synthesization and that doesn't necessarily happen now amongst the
00:56:29.260hittites and the louians it got even stranger it wasn't that the genders swapped it was that there
00:56:35.760was multiple suns there was the sun and the moon of heaven and then there was the sun and the moon
00:56:42.860of earth and so they were sometimes uh gendered and switched in their pantheon as well um and i
00:56:53.260think that that again is a sign of them running into um uh other cultures and other religions and
00:57:02.220there's this cross-pollinization but when we look back at indo-european religion and linguistics
00:57:09.660the idea of the heavenly gods, the heavenly father, and his daughter being the vestige,
00:57:19.520the shining example, though also to the sun is referred to as his eye, but this also might
00:57:26.640be poetic for like the apple, the glimmer, the shimmer of my eye. His daughter is
00:57:34.560uh the vestige of truth and principle and then it is mauni who is not viewed as because again
00:57:47.340they didn't see they didn't know that the moon reflected the light of the sun they believed
00:57:56.020that it produced its own light but that the measurement of seasons and the telling of when
00:58:04.360to plant and when to do things was masculine the idea of creating that those lists and decreeing
00:58:14.600when things were done um and i think that this is reflective of proto-indo-european uh gender roles
00:58:21.340that we don't necessarily understand today because we've been influenced by concepts and by
00:58:27.260understanding of like that the moon reflects the sun's light and you know thousands of years of
00:58:34.420even hermetic magic and philosophies kind of all colliding together um and it does cause a lot of
00:58:44.340confusion for folks but if we look back and we roll back to it i believe that the masculine and
00:58:51.840the feminine exemplified upon the spark of muspelheim the primordial force and flame and
00:58:58.600the chunk that is the moon the the the primordial niflheim the create of creation um is is placed
00:59:10.680there in context to the cultures and it doesn't really change uh when it goes across the northern
00:59:20.040part of the aryan migration but when it does change it's always in the southern part and it's
00:59:28.300always in relation to who they run into um but i'll leave this with the last point on that is
00:59:36.960that Sol is a goddess who becomes the heavenly warden
00:59:42.360because she is decreed by Lord Odin to preside over the multiple sparks.
00:59:47.280And I find it interesting that just recently scientists have discovered a shield
00:59:57.580And in the story, of course, Sol carries a shield upon her back
01:00:04.920uh to gird the world from the flames of the sun um and it's called it's a helio shield
01:00:13.680i think is what the scientists recently have um called it uh but the essence is not to deprive
01:00:25.540those primordial elements of their godliness obviously people still do it today with the
01:00:34.760earth uh i'm sure people have heard on social media you know dang mother nature you're scary
01:00:39.860is their their gendering uh nature the earth and uh but yet speaking of it in its culmination
01:00:52.920of all actions so it is that same thing and we do that with of course the goddess
01:00:58.900yard um we attest her to the primordial forces of the earth but not only her
01:01:07.440when our ancestors i you know if they did let's say hypothetically just have sky daddy earth mommy
01:01:15.600daughter son and uh you know uh air to the throne moon i'm trying to think of because sun moon
01:01:26.260doesn't quite clarify things let's just say it was all boiled down to that there is a point
01:01:31.940where our ancestors become hard polytheists and these simple numbers get stratified if you look
01:01:41.540at the nature as we spoke about light being connected to fire and how many gods are connected
01:01:47.660to light and to fire then just the same there are many goddesses connected to the earth whether it's
01:01:54.520Fjorkan, Yarth, Gerd, Rindr, Gríðr, and all of these goddesses are aspects of the primordial forces.
01:02:08.600It's almost as if, imagine gaining dominion or being attested to dominion over an aspect of the physical, phthonic world.
01:02:21.840And then there is the stratification of the sky. And we see that amongst the Indians in the Bhagavad Gita with after Dios Pater, he moves aside, he kind of disappears from the poem.0.61
01:02:38.800and what is brought in place is indra and runa there's the tripartite that is brought in and we
01:02:47.380see that the sky holds the triplication relationship and yet the earth is stratified
01:02:54.080in many different ways and that's where the gods are they are in that dominion over all of these
01:03:00.260primordial forces so it doesn't just apply to the sun and the moon the gods are beings who have
01:03:07.380dominion and can implicate dominion in the world through physical non-physical cosmic
01:03:15.160microcosmic and so on and so forth and i think that's that's a lesson for a lot of folks to learn
01:03:22.440in relation to becoming a returning back to the faith of polytheism of hard polytheism of
01:03:31.780Ausatru and getting away from all things are lumped kind of face that God is no longer Yahweh
01:03:40.820or Yehovah it's kind of a everywhere and everything mustard seed to mountain um and just
01:03:48.580very very subjective in our faith no we see the beings as holding dominion over not just
01:14:49.320uh juliet said it best you know a rose by any other name still smells as sweet um and i'm not
01:15:00.020saying that titles are superfluous or cultures are are superfluous but you know uh this is an
01:15:07.740organic thing that needs to happen our folk are in need of unification we need to return
01:15:17.340Most anybody that asked this question knows we have to return to the faith of our ancestors, but nobody can decide and nobody wants to press the button and say, okay, this is what we're doing.
01:15:33.760But then there is, there's us saying, this is what we should do. If the gods of our folk before they splintered across the world are the same gods, then by what name is relevant in the sense that, well, and the relevancy of the name itself becomes, it is the last bastion that stood against the domination of
01:16:03.440of political jiving and genocidal tribal destruction that is christianity you know
01:16:12.560christians like to believe oh it just came because you know uh jesus just did a uh a surfer wave
01:16:20.040splash of of love and everyone converted and that's the best thing the ancestors did
01:16:25.820no there was politics and um cunning and there it was uh it was pretty gruesome all the way around
01:16:36.260and uh it happened over a long period of time so as we get back i think that especially here
01:16:43.600in america we are that blend of people i think that if you are a greek american
01:16:50.720relinquishing the desire oh i gotta do the greek thing i i got no we need to unite and we are we're
01:17:02.900speaking an english language germanic language and yet still it boils down to returning what we need
01:17:10.440we need that unification and we need to return how much are people willing to sacrifice in their
01:17:19.020own mental perfection for what they want to get the job done and that is a really unfortunate
01:17:27.500thing for our folk some are not willing to round the edges or because they have a preconceived
01:17:35.940perfect format and uh by someone saying no we're not doing that we're going forward like this
01:17:43.100they take it as a challenge that they have to tear everything down to year zero
01:17:46.880and try their own unique spin of, you know, Normani, theotic, you know, slice of pizza.
01:26:49.020And if you envisioned a white guy talking to his people instead of a black man talking to his people, a lot of it was really solid and stuff that we could all learn a lot from.
01:27:09.300So I'm going to go with Malcolm X.0.56
01:27:19.020really interesting question though it is a fascinating question it's a it's a fun one too
01:30:25.540Cliff was the first one to get that award. He is the only one who got the award from Steve McNallan. Cliff was the first one to get that. Jason Gallagher, our venerable folk builder from Minnesota. He is another award winner over the years. He's fantastic.
01:30:47.100A member in Sweden, who's no longer a folk builder, but still a great guy and someone who did great work for us over there.
01:30:54.980Anders Nilsson got the award for 2018.
01:31:00.780Githya Sheila McNallan, this was before she got her ordination.
01:31:06.060She got the award in, well, she got it, I have to check on when she got ordained, but she got it for the year that she was not.
01:31:13.420She was the Folk Builder Award winner for 2019.
01:31:19.180Githya Heather Young was the Folk Builder Award winner for 2023.
01:31:25.180Folk Builder Tyler Bethea was the Folk Builder Award winner for 2024.
01:31:31.260So those are some of the outstanding AFA folks that have won the award over the years.
01:31:35.900it was first like i said it was first issued in uh at austra of 2016.
01:31:45.820so there you go and congratulations to folk builder ron bordeman for his very hard work
01:31:51.340and very well deserved recognition for it um oh and might as well note that question was submitted
01:31:59.980via email. If you would like to ask a question to be answered on this program, you can ask it at
01:32:06.620any time you'd like at vns at runestone.org. You can ask that during the show. You can ask that
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01:32:20.700answer them at our next available opportunity.
01:37:08.480That's what I would prefer were I Prince Herman, and that's why I went with it.
01:37:14.880yeah it's made up but you know a made up nickname by people that love you is not a bad thing i think
01:37:23.220we would all uh take that i i would argue that it's not made up it's speculative it's it's the
01:37:31.360best attempt that people had to assume what it might be but again it's from german people
01:37:39.160to celebrate their german hero who all of the germans united in celebrating which is what he
01:37:47.340tried to do in his lifetime and when we see the way that roman names like rollo or um rudolfo or
01:37:57.160um any of these kind of latin takes on germanic names um there is this nexus point of speculation
01:38:07.800But, you know, when we look at the name Arminius and its meaning in relation to the way that it's also affected, there's, you know, the H and the A in all Germanic languages have a very interesting relationship that oftentimes they're added on or dropped off throughout time immemorial.
01:38:34.680But I mean, Arminius to Armand, Armand to Armando, what level of the Iberian you're getting into, all the way down to the H being added.
01:38:52.480And you have, you know, Hermann, Hermione is the feminine of Hermann.
01:39:01.760um and we see it also in the gothic kings that they're they are named uh and in the old norse
01:39:10.680generally the h was dropped and a j was added on so you get like yarman or yarman meaning like
01:39:20.580or sometimes it's spelled with an e again just the kind of traveling in between military
01:39:29.700and enormity of nation or enormousness um like uh or emmerich emmerich being uh where america
01:39:43.600comes from the the the source of it again uh the great reich the great nation the great kingdom
01:39:51.900um it's right in that nexus and i i don't
01:39:57.120i mean yes we do that's what arminius is what he is sourced as but that's kind of like saying that
01:40:05.420rudy is not from prodolfer prodolfer is the old way of saying it the famous wolf yeah no it's it's
01:40:17.960it's absolutely linguistically the closest association they could make and the way of
01:40:24.380trying to because that's okay so i mentioned matthias and like mateo and there's different
01:40:30.500versions of my name that when it crosses a linguistic barrier you try to meld it into that
01:40:38.960language and i think this is the closest linguistic trying to germanize the roman word that they had
01:40:46.440which is a you know well-known process for a lot of things which is likely exactly what the romans
01:40:54.820did originally was trying to latinize whatever the german equivalency was called so it is the
01:41:00.820best linguistic guess as to what his name was that his mom and dad named him not that rome
01:41:07.500but either way it's a it's a very small thing to be a point of contention nobody's going to look at
01:41:14.760you a sconce either way and you know again i did try to i did go back and forth and i did you know
01:41:21.480man maybe we should call him this because armenius is what is attested i chose to go with what his
01:41:29.160folk called him in an attitude of love celebration and veneration because i felt that was more
01:41:37.160meaningful so let's let's go through and do the kinnings for thor um and then we'll see what other
01:42:01.480questions may have developed uh when we get to the end of that so thor has an abundance of text
01:42:09.140for his kinnings and then we get uh some of the other of our iser that have have much less but
01:42:17.620let's look at the kinnings for the uh the champion of midgard and asgard and for anybody that might
01:42:26.660be wondering to say in a religious context today you will run into uh when there is moments of
01:42:36.620if we're at thor's off and we're doing a bloat to thor and the person who is conducting that
01:42:44.720ceremony begins to speak of these kennings as a form of praise so any folks here that are doing
01:42:53.460stuff at home should do the same um they learn these kennings and can speak them aloud and that
01:43:02.760too is again another form of praise of gifting because of the mental energy to memorize to know
01:43:11.860and become familiar with so you'll hear a lot of times in bloats people saying um midgard's water
01:43:19.880and uh friend of the folk and they're referring to thor they're just giving over the gift of title
01:43:30.060just like as you said with with herman um and what his people called him and what that name
01:43:36.600inspired so for those folks listening to this not just from a poetic sense but when you
01:43:44.480conduct bloats at home consider going through the lore finding the kennings and introducing
01:43:52.340them into your evocation or uh your when you invoke your uh connection with the divine do it
01:44:02.160through gifting knowledge um and i think that this this helps so 11 kennings uh for thor
01:44:12.100What figures should be employed to paraphrase the name Thor?
01:44:19.380Thus, one should call him son of Odin and of Yarth,
01:48:19.680they took took some liberties on this right
01:48:22.820well so there's there is so much there that's why again learning uh the the language even on
01:48:34.180a base level i'm not even saying that about speaking but just or being able to do this
01:48:39.700research will help so many people but also that understanding so so many people try to say that
01:48:47.020the yotnar are a different race and therefore there's miscegenation between the gods and the
01:48:55.380yotnar no yotnar is a title just like monster or being or spirit these titles have multiple
01:49:05.160faceted uses it means the like an elder being and we've already discussed and i've gone over it
01:49:12.680Ad nauseum about how there are Jotun of Muspelheim, there are Jotun of Niflheim, and then there are Jotun of the Middle World, of the descendancy of Ymir, and that the gods are descended from the ancient beings, Jotuns, of Niflheim, and that the Jotun of the descendancy of Ymir join the gods in various aspects,
01:49:39.300But also many of them do not join the gods. So really the classification is built around how much of alignment they are in relation to the gods of order.
01:49:52.620And I think that that's another thing that, that our folk need to understand is, is, but a troll, a troll is absolutely in opposition. It's, is the, the troll is the, the thorn, the, the thirst.
01:50:09.480it is the the demon creature if you want to use uh those words but yeah he is the dominator0.71
01:50:18.680the breaker the bringer of doom and the enemy of um the yotnar of his enemies or of of the enemy0.85
01:50:29.120type um not all yotnar obviously it's like uh oh in that sense thor you know is gonna fight his
01:50:37.920grandma so if and i'm only making joke because people do take that stuff so literally and uh
01:50:45.680they don't look into poetic context so we will also see uh mentions of like the alvi and roskva
01:50:54.840master of the alvi and roskva two things there one is again being the lord over beings is um
01:51:05.280And it's that admission that Lord Thor represents a huge part of the middle of the strata of society in the late Nordic period.
01:51:21.580the free man had war slaves or had bond servants and also was in loyalty to a greater lord
01:51:35.680so just by utilizing that that were uh the the usage of master of the alvi and raskva now
01:51:43.260obviously it also correlates directly to the story of lord thor taking the two children
01:51:50.780the alvi and raskla into jotunheim and having adventures because mythos is like rope yeah you
01:52:01.540can peel every individual string of a rope out and examine it but all together it has its power
01:52:08.180but in this case a lot of times this is also that entertainment the sharing of poetic truths
01:52:14.360cosmic mysteries all of that is all intertwined so uh if you don't know the story that might cause
01:52:23.100some confusion so read get in there no um so uh bragi the skald says the line of odin's offspring
01:52:36.680lay not slack on the gunwale all that really is stating the line of Odin's offspring the rope
01:52:45.720of Thor did not lay slack on the edge of the boat when the huge ocean serpent uncoiled on the sea's
01:52:55.420bottom the again I'm gonna go and reference immediately to the mural but the big point
01:53:01.320that i think people need to understand culturally religiously that mural is a representation
01:53:08.280lord thor does not let slack the moment he can gain advantage upon his enemy because victory doesn't
01:53:20.780sleep and that's kind of what's being said is is that you have the the knife wielding um
01:53:29.560you know, Heimir is in fear and Thor is snatching the rope tight. And so there's action and
01:53:37.880pressing forward versus fear and hesitation. And that's being referenced right here. That's kind
01:53:45.560of where that imagery and why we wanted to project that came from. So the line of Odin's offspring,
01:53:56.120The fishing line, the rope that he uses, does not lay slack along the gunwale when the huge ocean serpent uncoiled on the sea's bottom.
01:54:07.640And then Olvir cut nose and crop ears, which that is a story in and of itself right there.
01:54:14.180I don't know what happened to poor Olvir, whether he was attacked or lost just through numerous battles, but he clearly has missing pieces of nose and ear.
01:54:34.020um but uh is a hell of a poet because i guess you know at that point you just gotta fall back on
01:54:41.220on the word of the of the dwarves ship if you will um so thus sang olvir cutnose and crop ear
01:54:50.700the encircler of all regions and yord's son sought each other the serpent against the hero
01:55:01.200thus saying i live it roth stood rask was brother now this is a mistranslation what it is really
01:55:12.200saying is that someone of being who is angry standing over rask was brother who i had
01:55:23.580mentioned earlier is Theology so um somebody might interpret this as wrathful did Rasko's
01:55:31.720brother stand no it's that Lord Thor is standing with anger over Theology because he if you if
01:55:39.020you're familiar with the story and if you're not learn it go check it out read it it's great
01:55:44.040But yeah, he breaks, he breaks the marrow bone of one of the, the, um, goats and, oh, just saying too, uh, there were two gifts given, um, to Thorshof, two large goat or ram horned, uh, skulls were given over.
01:56:05.440so much thank you there again people come to thorshof giving such just beautiful gifts to
01:56:11.600lord thor um but yeah and so he he breaks he goes against the decree of lord thor in the story and
01:56:19.720he stands enraged over the alvi and then he calms like a storm eventually it passed and he says you
01:56:29.820will come with me uh this is since my my goats can't carry my things you will carry my things
01:56:35.220and thus the start of that adventure so rothful stood over he stood over ross was brother and
01:56:43.560magni's sire the father of magni wrought bravely with terror thor's staunch heart stone trembled
01:56:53.120not nor the albis heart stone i really uh again that poetic scent his his soul his fortitude his
01:57:03.280constitution did not shake when he stood um against the albis and thus saying eistein waldeson
01:57:13.320with glowing eyes through their father glared at the sea roads circular the world serpent the
01:57:23.980oceanic um force of catalystic binding upon the middle world um air the fishes watery dwelling
01:57:36.040flowed in and the boat confounding the boat is rocking and the stabilization is moving
01:57:43.460and yet still he remains because he's just one strike away eistein sang further swiftly
01:57:51.620sif's husband bounded bound him to haste forth with the giants for his hearty fishing he uh well
01:58:01.260sing we crimnir's horn stream again he sang the earth fish tugged so fiercely that ullr's kinsmen
01:58:11.780clenched fists ullr's kinsmen is thor were were pulled out past the gunwale the broad planks
01:58:21.380rent asunder on the ship ragi said the strong fiends terrifier so he again utilizing the word
01:58:31.800fiend which is not germanic um in origin it uh is the same as troll actually that's a good point
01:58:40.560might say that from now like troll means like fiend um not german i believe it's the word for
01:58:48.640enemy in german is it that's fiend i might be wrong i thought it was of latin origin
01:58:55.480like fiendish no fiendish is very germanic uh i don't know somebody should look that up in the
01:59:05.100now we're getting interactive and i'm and i might be speaking wrong there but i mean again
01:59:10.380uh it's like or i'm getting maybe confused with them nemesis nemesis is clearly latin based but
01:59:18.000um again troll fiend demon and he is the strong fiends terrifier so he is of the enemy of the
01:59:31.200of the demon the strong demon he strikes terror into them he keeps them at bay and you know when0.92
01:59:39.680we talk about the demon we're not talking about it obviously in a dualistic abrahamic sense we
01:59:46.020are talking about the forces of chaos the forces of destruction the forces that break and erode
01:59:52.280and destroy life um the the things that build up um in nature as they they begin to build and
02:00:03.360create millstrom and fester and there is the polaric of too much cold and too much hot and
02:00:11.340then suddenly there needs to be a break something needs to rupture or become the catalyst between
02:00:17.900two huge forces of positive and negative or cold and hot and what happens in that battle is a storm
02:00:26.720is a vortex a tornado there there's so much there about equilibrium lord thor brings equilibrium
02:00:36.280to things that would be drawn high and low
02:00:42.680beyond the point of us being able to live
02:01:06.280And sung Gamli, while the lord of the high Bilskirner, the lightning flash, whose heart no falsehood fashioned, swiftly strove to shatter the sea fish with his hammer, thus sang Fjörbjörn, Ladies Skald.
02:01:27.280Interesting title there as well, The Ladies Skald.
02:01:30.300um most likely took personage as a poet under a um perhaps a strong queen or was a queen's
02:01:40.480favorite um and he spoke and said uh bravely thor fought for ausgard and of the followers
02:01:48.160of odin there is the folk the followers of odin again the the people following the gods
02:01:57.300bragi thus thus sang and the vast misshapen circler of the ship's sea path fierce-minded
02:02:06.640stared from below in anger at the skull splitter of hrongnir of course the skull splitter of hrongnir
02:02:16.080is thor and that is also why the serpent in the mural has such a kind of oddly staring glaring
02:03:38.420Bravely Thor fought for Ásgard and the followers of Oðin.
02:03:44.160Thus sang Bragi, and the vast misshapen circler of the ship's seapath, fierce-minded, stared from below in anger at the skull-splitter of Frongnir.
02:04:00.100Again sang Draghi, well hast thou, hewer and sunder of the nine heads of Thrivaldum, kept thy goats.0.85
02:04:14.300Thus sang Aylifer, the merciless destroyer of the people of the giants,0.92
02:04:21.120grasped with ready forearms at the heavy red-hot iron.0.53
02:06:06.060Thou didst smite the head of Kela, smash Kjala and me altogether, ere thou slewest Luter and Lady, didst spill the blood of Buseira, didst hold back Hengen Kjapta.
02:06:36.060Haroken died before, yet sooner in like fashion, Spidor from life was taken.
02:06:48.980So, working on it, I think I can get close to some pronunciations, but it takes me a couple swings at it.
02:06:55.660I appreciate y'all bearing with me on it.
02:06:58.640So, I'm not sure what calamity has befallen Virginia Beach or the Harrow residence,
02:08:30.520um all right so over in the chat i do see some talk it was already answered in the in the side
02:08:39.620though but about getting on different people's podcasts and stuff for the record i would love
02:08:46.140to go on anybody's podcast and anybody's show to do interviews as long as they're um as long
02:08:52.840as they're honest brokers so i mean i'd go on people that aren't necessarily on the team
02:08:57.940But as long as people are trying to be honest in their approach, I'm happy to go and do those things and be on those programs.
02:09:06.980And I've had some good opportunities with that lately.
02:09:11.780Folk builder Jill Gaffney in Pennsylvania and Aiden McMillan in Indiana and Chris Savage in Michigan have all worked hard to try to get me some interview opportunities lately.
02:09:26.040and feel like it's a good time to acknowledge that
02:12:24.240So we get some more context to the question about to follow the known Lord.
02:12:28.440So as I mean the known literature, the Icelandic sagas and Germanic texts
02:12:31.880that describe our original known religions, I would consider our known Lord.
02:12:36.360Um, yes. And we, you know, are currently doing a show about just that. Spawn and I have worked through the Elder Etta. We're working through the Younger Etta now. And we've worked through a couple of different sagas thus far and plan on continuing to do so.
02:13:37.500How should one paraphrase Nyardar by calling him god of the Vanir, the waning gods, or kinsman of the Vanir, or wane, father of Freyr and Freyja, god of wealth bestowal.
02:14:00.960The runes at the mural in Njordsov say that his giving hands know no bounds.
02:14:09.080And that's a poetic versing on my part, stating that his hands cannot be bound and yet know no end in their giving.
02:14:48.960Now, this is interesting because, again, we see this is around the time of Eoskala Grimson, and the end rhyme is becoming a preference in some of the poets.
02:15:11.580So, you know, in the Old Norse, it says, you know, it's
02:15:16.380So, this cadence is switching from an older style of alliteration into a newer style that was becoming very fashionable.
02:15:38.940And so, but it was all poetry or it was all gift, Odin's gift of poetry and knowledge and the expression of lore.
02:15:53.640So in this case here, we see that at the Wayne's side that it is Hamdir spared sword playing. It's the peace of Lord Njord. He is the one who stops sword play and brings those away from battle and into peace and into fruition.
02:16:23.640Here it is recorded that Skadi departed from Nyarður, as had already been written.
02:16:30.600So then it shifts into the kennings for holy forever.
02:16:35.540So we're going to pause on that and we're going to continue on the thing.
02:16:38.800So, Morris, thank you for clarifying a little bit on following the Lord.
02:26:23.400So Grotbjorn is referencing a person in the saga.
02:26:41.740And he says that the gods Frey and Njörd have given much in goods and gear.
02:26:50.460the uh lord odin we know clearly spoken of and worshiped in the realm of the royal families of
02:27:02.060norway and by proxy the poets in iceland um but also to the worship of lord thor and the worship
02:27:12.840of uh holy frey and nyorth were huge cults of activity in iceland um and there's lots of
02:27:23.280archaeological evidence to to also um support this so freyr is called the adversary of belli
02:27:33.800even as ivinder spoiler of skalds sang so a couple things there one uh we don't have the
02:27:42.760story. That is clear and concise showing of a story lost. There is the mention that right after
02:27:52.280Holy Frey sacrifices his sword in order to gain Gerder, he has to slay a Jotun by the name of0.90
02:28:01.780Bele, and he does so with his bare hands. And this isn't some sort of reference to pacifism.0.98
02:28:12.760And it isn't some sort of reference to, okay, finally we can build a Viking monk class.
02:28:18.920No, this is more in lines with Beowulf, is that he doesn't need a weapon.
02:28:26.700So he's not simply just a lord of peace.
02:28:30.840He is fully capable of committing to destroying his enemy,
02:28:37.680but is still yet above that the lord of peace and the lord of plenty um and then ivander spoiler of
02:28:48.080skulls that's a great name that that you know kind of just saying like destroyer of your poetic
02:28:54.980game i'm i'm ivander the one who's gonna mash up yeah the the level that you think you're at
02:29:05.040And he sings, when the earl's foe wished to inhabit the outer bounds of Belli's hater, Belli's hater is Lord Frere, and the earl's foe wished to inhabit the outer bounds, that means the territory, or in reality, it's a very broad way of saying land.
02:29:31.380it's the farmland in the kingdom so when the jarl's foe wish to inhabit the outer bounds
02:29:40.140of belly's hater that is the fruitful lands that he owns
02:29:45.000um and i find that kind of poetically beautiful in a way um because he's complimenting the lord
02:29:55.080at this both lord frey and the lord that he's speaking to about the fruitful lands and again
02:30:02.700if you don't have enemies are you you're not doing it right so um he is the possessor of
02:30:08.680skid bladmir the boat the the slicing blade or the it's kind of a reference between a blade
02:30:19.260like a ship slicing through the water it's like a blade of grass uh kind of uh wink wink nudge
02:30:29.620nudge lord of nature and fecundity and grain and uh fruitfulness and all of that so yes
02:30:39.160ski the blob knit or like i always you know say like skein blade um which is an awesome name for
02:30:46.280a ship and that of the boar which is called gullin bursti golden bristles even as it is told here
02:30:57.360ivaldi's offspring in ancient days went the shape skidbladnir skip blade or skein blade
02:33:44.000as already has been written or the white god or the foe of loki seeker of freya's necklace
02:33:53.780these are referencing to stories where lord heimdall turns into a seal and fights loki
02:34:01.960there is a blowing horn at thorsoff with this imagery on it i know because i made it but the
02:34:09.920idea again is is referencing to these stories and if you haven't heard that story seek it out
02:34:15.880and read it and again it is um heimdallr the it's he's retrieving the stolen necklace of freya
02:34:27.680um and again also to the nine mothers being born of the nine waves and the waters of the middle
02:34:35.740world. The waning gods are connected to cycles. Heimdallit is extremely unique because he stands
02:34:43.840between worlds. He stands between the waning gods and the Aesir gods. He is Aesir. I'm not saying0.56
02:34:51.360that he isn't, but he is that threshold. He's also the threshold between heavenly time and earthly
02:34:57.840time. He's the threshold that light passes through from the heavenly realm into the earthly realm,
02:35:04.700i.e. through or in form of Bivros Bridge and the prism light of the access into heaven.
02:35:15.940Lord Heimdallet is such a beautiful nexus god in our faith.
02:35:24.020And he's so very powerful because he is of the waning, he is of the cosmic, he is of the material,
02:35:31.580he is the the almost like the central hub that in his stasis all things become dynamic
02:35:40.620um so he is the seeker of freya's necklace a sword is called heimdoller's head
02:35:50.420for it is said that he was pierced by a man's head so this part's a little confusing but
02:35:59.800But ultimately, the essence of the sharpness of mind is being referenced here.
02:36:10.200The sword is Heimdallers' head, the sharpness of mind, and also, I believe, the relation of helping the folk create and advance in technology through metallurgy.
02:36:23.900um this was kind of a question i posed earlier today to some of the gothar students is and i've
02:36:32.420yet to answer but it's following the same line of the gods are not simply just the gods of this
02:36:40.240the gods of that the that that thing is but a title to open up so much more and i've just
02:36:48.740spoken about it heimdallar is that core that central piece the threshold the prism the place
02:36:55.500between both earthly gods and heavenly gods and man and time and all of these things not just
02:37:02.640simply the god that blows the horn at ragnarok or something of that nature so um he is the sharp
02:40:37.800no you're not going to find a book that gives you like moral lessons from each of the sagas
02:40:43.920that's not going to be a thing but each of the sagas if you google it you will find like a
02:40:51.180wikipedia on each of the sagas that'll give you like a rundown of what it's about but the cool
02:40:59.860so the edit poems I think are really important that everybody reads you know at least the big
02:41:11.280ones the sagas not so much and it's worth taking your time to read them each individually and just
02:41:21.600kind of they're fun take your time and read them and absorb them and enjoy them and learn new
02:41:30.880things about them there i don't think that you're you know there's a lot of redundancy on the moral
02:41:37.520lessons of them but they're not morality tales these are little biographies of
02:41:44.720people that lived heroic and extremely interesting lives i would encourage you to just pick one
02:41:55.600start reading it and google all the little stuff in it if it has place names you're not familiar
02:42:02.720find those on a map if it has you know people or events you're not familiar with google those go
02:42:09.120down the rabbit holes it's worth taking your time and going through those that's what i did when i
02:42:14.480i first started i had no idea where to start on sagas so i just picked one i got grittier the
02:42:21.800strong was the first saga that i read because i had no idea what it's about but this guy and he
02:42:27.020was supposed to be strong and that sounded cool and all right it was fascinating i don't think
02:42:32.920you're gonna go wrong i think there's a lot of really great choices and rather than try to like
02:42:38.900absorb the key points of all of the sagas you'd be much better served just picking one and working
02:42:45.700your way through it and i think that's a much that's what i would advise do you have anything
02:42:52.020on that spot no i think you that's correct like you are absolutely in the right frame and and
02:43:00.340that's again going back to theseus's ship understanding context of history society
02:43:07.460at the time is great for the sagas but when it comes to the lore of uh of the adas uh in relation
02:43:16.260to the gods i think that has much more spiritual and um the the meta truce if you will and there's
02:43:25.140lots of people i think who have uh written about it very well dr flowers has spoken in one of the
02:43:32.260uh there is a book called tier volume one uh there is the tier series in general uh is uh
02:43:43.540a grouping of essays and um they do kind of lay out the the importance of the moral attainment
02:43:56.420in these stories and i think that they they do uh or you know these and i say they not just dr
02:44:03.020flowers but all the other authors do really i think give context to what people should be looking for
02:44:10.700when they read the stories it deeply influenced me uh reading these books and then going forth
02:44:18.120And now, many, many years later, going over it here is a whole other context that I'm learning while we're telling others at the same time.
02:45:03.140So, then and thus there is the kennings of Bragi.
02:45:08.320How should one paraphrase Bragi by calling him husband of Idhun, first maker of poetry, the long-bearded god? After his name, a man who has a great beard is called Beard Bragi, and he is the son of Odin.
02:52:46.200so you could take the literal translation or you could take what clay represents which is
02:52:52.100shaping so he's the king of shaping um kennings for loki how should one paraphrase loki thus
02:53:04.000call him the son of faur bauti the far biter this would be like reference to um a spear or an arrow
02:53:15.100And I've heard many wise heads speculate the coming of Faurbauti in the form of a comet or a meteorite.
02:53:28.480Lauvi, or of Nil, brother of Bilester, and of Helblindi, father of monsters of Vaun, that is Fenris wolf.0.95
02:53:42.900So there's another kenning for Fenris, Vaun.0.50
02:53:47.060And of the vast monster that is Midgard Serpent, and of Hel, and of Nari, and of Auli, kinsmen and uncle, evil companion and benchmate of Odin and the Aesir.0.88
02:54:42.900He is the visitor and the chest trapping of Geradhr. Again, this is in relation to Geradhr stealing and trapping Loki when Loki goes to spy on him.