Asatru Folk Assembly - 8⧸20⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 163 - Sigrdrífumál

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00:03:00.000 Hello. Welcome to this week's edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:13.000 First off, thank you guys for everyone who joined us last weekend or last week.

00:03:19.120 Last week, we had a epically long show dealing with AFA history.

00:03:23.780 We had a lot of different guests that have been an important part of bringing us this far and who are an important part of moving us forward into the future.

00:03:35.060 And it was a really nice episode.

00:03:37.040 We had a lot of fun doing it.

00:03:39.040 I hope you guys enjoyed it.

00:03:40.420 Everybody who listened and participated.

00:03:43.120 Thank you guys so much.

00:03:46.460 Yeah, it was a fun show, but it was a long one.

00:03:49.320 It was a long one.

00:03:51.160 Did you guys break the record?

00:03:53.780 No, no. We were about seven hours and 20-something minutes, I think.

00:04:00.140 We were 10 or 15 minutes short of it, though.

00:04:03.480 Oh, wow. I didn't even realize that we've gone seven hours.

00:04:06.980 I thought we went longer than that. I thought we did an eight-hour.

00:04:09.260 But anyway, as we can verify that, tomorrow morning in the wee hours, I will be flying to Minnesota to go to Freyfaxi at Baldershof.

00:04:26.140 I would love to see each and every one of you there.

00:04:28.760 If you can make it, let's see what we can do.

00:04:32.620 if you'd like to meet you know if you would like to go there and check it out and be part of it

00:04:38.600 please reach out to your local folk builder we can make that happen I would love to meet you there

00:04:42.900 it's going to be going on this weekend in Murdoch Minnesota so looking forward to that it snuck up

00:04:52.920 me quick this year, so I'm excited about that. Other news, while I have you, we continue

00:05:04.600 to make awesome progress towards Frazehoff. A number of properties have been looked at

00:05:13.480 and examined and some decisions been made. We were able to have a very generous member

00:05:22.560 out of the Odenshof district that was willing to lend us a great deal of money, so we're

00:05:27.600 poised well to make a purchase when the time is right.

00:05:33.460 We're trying to get that down payment war chest up, and you guys have been very generous.

00:05:37.880 That down payment war chest is at $12,210, so that's huge.

00:05:44.580 Thank you to everybody who's contributed.

00:05:46.460 If you're interested, Nick just put the link up, it's at runestone.org slash donate, but

00:05:52.620 yeah, thank you everybody, you guys are awesome, and on that theme, we start off yet another

00:05:57.860 show with a generous $30 donation from GW Farnsworth, thank you so much, it is always

00:06:05.200 very much appreciated.

00:06:11.180 Anyone who is interested, as always, this is a, you know, audience participation question

00:06:16.740 based program.

00:06:18.600 So we appreciate all the questions.

00:06:20.760 If you have questions, you can submit them at any time.

00:06:24.640 Well, first you can anybody watching this live, we're trying to monitor that you can

00:06:29.420 ask them live, but if you run into questions throughout the week that you'd like us to

00:06:34.200 answer vns at runestone.org and we would love to answer those at the next available opportunity

00:06:42.680 trying to think if there's anything else top of the show wise um yeah wherever you find this like

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00:07:01.820 anybody you want, send them this way. I would appreciate the audience. You know, there's a lot

00:07:09.780 of people that may listen to this for a variety of reasons. Certainly it's intended for Alcetruar

00:07:16.140 and prospective Alcetruar, but also, you know, we're happy to anybody who just finds it interesting

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00:07:29.940 that would enjoy the program, suggest it to them.

00:07:34.040 Also, if you are a heterosexual white person

00:07:37.600 and you would like to worship the gods of your ancestors,

00:07:41.120 join the Ask True Folk Assembly.

00:07:43.000 We would love to have you.

00:07:43.960 There's a lot of people that, you know,

00:07:46.960 think they would like to and are going to one of these days.

00:07:52.260 How about let's make that day today?

00:07:56.480 It's just worth saying.

00:07:57.780 anybody sitting on the fence, now is the time to get off the fence, get on the team and come home

00:08:03.700 because we're doing some really, really good things. We would love to do them with you.

00:08:08.960 That said, tonight we will be going over a short poem, but a famous one of a lot of these

00:08:18.380 smaller ones that we're doing at the end of this ETA. A lot of them are pretty obscure and not

00:08:25.560 frequently talked about. This one is different. The Sigurdrifamol is a celebrated piece of our

00:08:35.560 lore that I think many of our audience will have, you know, may not know where some of the things

00:08:40.760 came from, but when you encounter them, they will seem familiar to you and be things that you've

00:08:45.380 heard or encountered in some way before. So I'm looking forward to going over this with you

00:08:49.640 tonight. Like I said, it's not huge, but before Morn, Svon and I want to take rabbit trails off

00:09:00.900 wherever they lead. And we're always happy to answer any questions that might come up. So thank

00:09:05.940 you guys for joining us. If you are interested, beluspau.org is where we do our readings from.

00:09:13.260 you're you're welcome to access this wherever you have it wherever you find it and whatever

00:09:19.420 translation you've got there might be a little interesting differences but we will be reading

00:09:24.960 directly off of that website that nick has linked up but yeah the list bow.org and

00:09:32.180 yeah, this continues in the Volsunga cycle of poetry. So there's that. Svon,

00:09:44.900 is there anything folks need to know before we dive in this evening?

00:09:49.820 Yeah, you had mentioned it. This is something that most people will probably be familiar with

00:09:56.560 without realizing the piece. And there's a reason for that. Bear in mind, the titles of these

00:10:03.100 poems are post-recorded. So the entirety of the poems that we've been going over

00:10:13.420 are actually unbroken in the Codex Regis. It's a regius. It's the one poem after another with

00:10:25.220 absolutely no break with no title nothing so it was split up because of the vast difference

00:10:37.040 between the poems because ultimately and and anybody who hasn't seen the vns of uh of our um

00:10:46.740 explaining how the sagas uh with uh simon dur starting the school in iceland that would

00:10:55.000 ultimately bring about encapsulating the stories but it's really worth remembering that

00:11:04.280 the act of them being encapsulated the that is divine that our gods specifically made sure that

00:11:13.640 despite all of the usury, all of the backstabbing and the kinslaying that came with the establishment

00:11:27.340 of Christianity, that our gods would return and be able to come back to, we would be able 0.76

00:11:35.980 to come back to them, excuse me, and come back into our hearts. But the poem and the structures 0.54

00:11:43.600 itself were more about these students attempting to place everything they could get their hands on,

00:11:54.080 or in truth, what Simon got his hands on. I was looking into that a little bit, and I can't say

00:11:59.960 for sure whether or not there was more after but i do know that simon did the large bulk of gathering

00:12:07.160 it and placing it into latin um from the oral traditions but um they were trying to place all

00:12:17.720 of these down together that's why you might see uh in some cases where uh the halvamal in the

00:12:25.400 In the Hauvemau there's the Runetal.

00:12:28.380 The Runetal is of course the section of the Hauvemau

00:12:31.200 that speaks about the runes.

00:12:32.640 But there is more likely a point that

00:12:38.760 those are two different poets reciting those poems,

00:12:42.960 that they were gathered separately.

00:12:46.020 As the poets memorized things,

00:12:49.520 they generally did it in a single style

00:12:52.100 to switch a style in the middle was mentally jarring or if they had learned a specific style

00:13:01.140 of poetry they might not know other types and ways of memorization so by the time it was written down

00:13:10.340 though it's compiled all together and there is still an effort to make sense of it all it wasn't

00:13:16.820 just a big collage or mishmash but um as time goes on after people are looking at the poems

00:13:25.060 scholars are looking at the poems and going oh well this is clearly written in a different style

00:13:29.540 or has a different uh purpose or in in these cases we have sigurd talking to fafnir and slaying

00:13:40.660 Regen. And then we now have the shift of Sigurd speaking to Brunhild. And so that's where we get

00:13:52.100 kind of these, the names are then, okay, so we're going to call this Sigdreva Maul. And this is the

00:13:59.520 part of that. But in the actual body of lore, it's unbroken. It just keeps going. And I think

00:14:07.700 that is, again, indicative of their desire to just get it down onto paper and kind of sort out

00:14:16.240 the details later in a lot of the ways. Because again, oral traditions are based off of lifespan.

00:14:23.840 They're uniquely connected to our people. But I think that's another reason why it's very

00:14:30.540 important for us to understand the ways of writing things down, but not letting them be

00:14:36.700 taking on some of the negative traits that we can see in other religions about how

00:14:44.520 their semi-historical treaties of things and clear editings, we are up front saying, yes,

00:14:55.180 this is edited, this is collected, this is brought about, but with the purpose of containing a

00:15:00.680 tradition of poetry. And inside each one of these poems, you have these little tiny glimpses of the

00:15:08.020 faith that we were separated from. And in this one in particular, there's a big one. The recitation

00:15:18.520 and prayer of thankfulness is clear as day. And some people would argue this is the only

00:15:29.120 evidence of prayer in the Germanic Aryan sense. I think that it's because they're looking at

00:15:42.280 prayer from a more Middle Eastern lens. But one of the big things I think for us is proclamational

00:15:51.120 speech and giving worship and oftentimes through third party. So sometimes it's also about what is

00:16:00.680 said and what is not said. But the ultimate point is that it's done through deeds, physically done.

00:16:06.400 And this has one of the big ones. So much so, I know that most everybody here might have heard the food prayer that law speaker Alan Turnage formulated.

00:16:22.160 And I love this food prayer. It's helped me with my children to build a sense of unilateral existence with the divine, with our ancestors, with the food that we are eating and all of these things.

00:16:40.180 But there is another food prayer that has been making its way more, I think, slowly, but more meaningfully throughout the House of True Folk Assembly, and that is one of Witten Daniel Young.

00:16:56.600 And he specifically pulls from this poem. And it's not word for word, but it is certainly very paralleled to it. And there's good reason, because it shows a great sense of thankfulness, piety.

00:17:15.820 And also, again, and when we get there, I'll talk about this, something unique that's not said that I think is very, very important, the understanding of the Germanic-Aryan framework of faith.

00:17:33.500 yeah, but it's, yes, it's disjointed. It's short, but I don't doubt that's going to have any effect

00:17:42.860 on us and our ability to talk about it. So, all right. So guys, before we get started,

00:17:49.360 Alex donated $25 towards Frazehoff. Thank you very much for that. It's always very much

00:17:56.660 appreciated. And you guys have been amazingly generous and we're very thankful for that.

00:18:03.500 swan whenever you are ready if you would like to take us into tonight's text okay so this starts

00:18:10.680 off with sigur um or sigur and he is making his way to uh the land of the franks where the

00:18:22.580 um plateau or the the mountaintop the the flattened mountaintop

00:18:30.260 crested in fire where he will soon find the inhabitants.

00:18:37.700 Sigurd rode up to Hinderfjord

00:18:41.600 and turned southward towards the land of the Franks.

00:18:46.580 On the mountain, he saw there a great light

00:18:50.420 as if a fire were burning and the glow reached up to heaven.

00:18:54.860 And when he came thither, there stood a tower of shields, and above it was a banner.

00:19:04.240 Sigurd went into the shield tower and saw that a man lay there, sleeping with all of his war weapons.

00:19:12.280 First he took the helm from his head.

00:19:15.460 Then he saw that it was not a man, but a woman.

00:19:18.620 the mail coat was as fast as if it had grown to the flesh he then cut the mail coat from the head

00:19:28.860 opening downward and out of both sides of the armholes then he took the mail coat from her

00:19:36.180 and she awoke and sat up and saw Sigurd and said

00:19:41.760 what bit through my bernie and bear in mind a bernie is a chain mail or an armor uh top

00:19:53.400 usually short sleeved and going to the knees um if anybody has sometimes they're called hauberks

00:20:00.700 or just simply chain mail shirts um but i want to say that for can get that confusion out of the

00:20:08.460 She says, what bit through the barney? How was broken my sleep? Who made me free of the fetters pale? And for a lot of folks that might not know, the word fetters are bindings, manacles, ropes to tie, anything that locks someone down.

00:20:33.280 That's why they call Lord Odin the Freer of Fetters.

00:20:41.040 And Sigurd responds,

00:20:45.220 Sigmund's son with Sigurd's sword that late with flesh had fed the ravens.

00:20:53.920 He's mentioning his slaying of his enemies, both Fafnir and Regan.

00:21:03.280 Sigurd sat beside her, asked her her name.

00:21:07.840 She took a horn full of mead and gave him a memory draught.

00:21:13.600 Now that is something unique immediately.

00:21:18.200 She takes a horn and gives it to him.

00:21:22.840 One, obviously, is that she freed her from, he freed her from her fetters.

00:21:33.280 but there is a unique dichotomy built between the feminine and the masculine that is repeated

00:21:42.000 over and over and over again in arian mythos and it didn't have to be put in there but it was put

00:21:51.360 in there obviously for that reason um because it immediately shifts into the the rest of their

00:22:00.160 interaction um and again also too worth remembering the memory dropped the the the laden magic of

00:22:14.480 being able to drink of the mead and and recall to bear forth it could very well even be

00:22:23.600 classier's blood the meat of poetry um so it wouldn't imply that this area up here in the tower

00:22:32.880 is um a living quarters of of a of a place but i just always thought it was extremely

00:22:42.640 um powerful to think of this this tower of shields containing a valkyrie

00:22:50.400 um she gives him the memory drop and then she says hail day hail sons of day and night

00:23:04.440 and her daughter now which is the earth by the way if anybody out of out of uh poetics not um

00:23:13.660 gives birth to Yarth.

00:23:21.240 Look on us here with loving eyes

00:23:24.240 that waiting we victory win.

00:23:27.220 Hail to the gods, ye goddesses hail,

00:23:31.080 and all the generous earth,

00:23:33.220 another reference to the earth again.

00:23:35.880 Give to us wisdom and goodly speech

00:23:38.280 and healing hands lifelong.

00:23:40.700 Long did I sleep. My slumber was long. And long are the griefs of life. Oathen decreed that I could not break the heavy spells of sleep.

00:23:56.540 so the reason why this is again most people may have only heard of hail the day hail the

00:24:05.020 sons of day um but this is i think a very powerful point i don't know uh nick do you

00:24:14.460 did you get that food prayer um from witten young

00:24:19.440 i was just wondering if you had any ability to put it up there just so that people can

00:24:27.620 oh it is okay sorry i'm i'm on a different screen um the parallels are are are beautiful

00:24:37.440 but there's some points to this too that i was thinking about um in lieu of the show tonight

00:24:45.360 um kind of just simply because i'm familiar with it uh the the actual verses um one of the things

00:24:58.260 that i i truly noticed was the difference between um there there's not a sense of prostration

00:25:09.480 That there is not a sense between the believer, the pious, the one that has been punished by the divine

00:25:21.100 There is not a sense of malice or a return

00:25:25.220 It was a failing, she understood it was a failing upon her

00:25:31.260 She understood that she was now in the processes of Lord Odin's machinations

00:25:39.300 beyond even her own comprehension it wasn't necessarily you know trust in the plan but no

00:25:48.040 the actual the fact that she was awoken immediately made her understand that lord

00:25:55.760 ovin was doing something because even he would know that one day he that that she would be awoken

00:26:04.080 by someone and so she's she doesn't hold this ounce of of vengeance or anger towards lord odin

00:26:14.520 but instead gives thanks to be once again a part of weird because to be held stagnant to be placed

00:26:24.300 in torpor to have a miasma of inactivity is worse than damnation is worse than death

00:26:35.580 to be obliterated from the movement of the world and so as soon as she sees the daylight as soon

00:26:43.020 as she stands up she gives thanks and then she suddenly realizes why lord othen put her to sleep

00:26:54.300 And she states what happens. He puts her to sleep in heavy spell, but she doesn't scream out in anger or vengeance, which you find a lot today in modern media and in modern storytelling, where there is this kind of sense of I'm just as important.

00:27:19.600 When all divine is dead in our modern day, that makes everyone as important as everyone else.

00:27:31.280 And so there's this sense that, you know, being wronged without the realization that there is like an ecosystem of all things going on.

00:27:43.060 And I think it's just very, this is, maybe I'm reading a little bit too deep into this, but that's kind of what I do. Or, you know, that's kind of what I want other people to see and I want to encourage people to do.

00:27:58.600 Because there are things that are being said even in that which is silent. And so she now knows she is back in the web. She is back into the water of weird.

00:28:14.760 Now, of course, we know the story because we covered it. And I know everybody watched that episode. You better know that, you know, the tumultuous relationship between her and Sigurd and Sigurd's wife.

00:28:31.300 So she is not brought forth out of her slumber into a world where everything is good and the redemption is possible.

00:28:42.660 no she is an instrument in a conflict and then she embraces that conflict towards the end and

00:28:50.480 becomes absolutely a part of the the fury the the waging of war the um the violence of it

00:29:01.480 and so i'd like to before we venture too far i'd like to um i don't know say a couple of things

00:29:12.540 a little bit more about the the prayer this is in an earlier stage of modern

00:29:22.860 also true when there was a lot of like shoulder pelts and chest thumping there

00:29:27.720 was some kind of idea that there wasn't prayer or something and this was like

00:29:34.980 the example of prayer for our ancestors well it's common sense that any pious

00:29:40.020 people pray. Anyone who has a sincere faith in deity approaches them in speech. This is an

00:29:49.340 example of thanksgiving, as well as asking for, you know, a variety of things. But it's also

00:30:00.480 spawned a practice in modern house true that a lot of people do, where they greet the day. This

00:30:07.560 is a lot of times people will recite this prayer when they wake up in the morning um some folks

00:30:14.600 will you know go outside and look towards the sunrise and you know hold their arms up in the

00:30:21.320 alvis pose and and recite this uh our founder and his wife do that every morning and they are of a

00:30:29.960 generation where they are the folks that like to get up at the crack of dawn so they they do that

00:30:36.200 But it's a, I don't know, it's a small glimpse of overt piety that a lot of our detractors or people who just don't know any better may not realize is there and is a thing that was ever present to our ancestors.

00:30:59.060 One of the things that is, I think, very meaningful about the Volsunga Cycle is that it has dignified noble people.

00:31:13.700 There is plenty of, you know, he is the feeder of ravens and he, you know, there's plenty of slaughter and battlefield heroics and glory and slaughter and things that one would expect of this.

00:31:32.300 but there's also a nobility and a dignity, a piety, a politeness that I don't think people might

00:31:41.500 be familiar with or expect is there. And that was always very important to our ancestors. Don't be

00:31:47.520 misled into the idea of, you know, Northern barbarism. That's not the case. The nobility

00:31:54.840 and the dignified behavior when dealing with, you know, when dealing with monarchs, when dealing

00:32:00.140 with ladies um being having a politeness and an adherence to protocol and to custom was very

00:32:11.420 important to our ancestors it's very important to us today being dignified and noble is at the

00:32:17.820 very essence of the ideal of our folk as you know this this epic is very much

00:32:24.700 like that heroic ideal writ large in the form of cigarette so keep that in mind also just stuff

00:32:37.740 names matter um cigarette means the the bringer of victory and that's you know certainly a fitting

00:32:47.500 name for for a valkyrie it's also you know just something to something to realize because the

00:32:54.060 names matter in these things i think pertinent is something that you told me a long time ago

00:33:01.740 um that christianity did not formulate the night of europe it was the european

00:33:12.620 that gave christianity the night and that's because those values existed before and ever

00:33:20.700 since you told me that that that that haunted me in a poetic way because looking now at pre-christian um

00:33:32.460 groups uh these the young vikingers the varangians or what have you many different types of of

00:33:39.580 honor bound and codes but yeah they were not present in when the when it was the judahites

00:33:49.420 in the Middle East. They were not present even when the Judahites came to Greece and converted

00:33:54.780 the Grecos and eventually the Romans. It wasn't until the Germanics that Christianity received

00:34:03.180 the night. And I think a lot of people somehow lose head of that. And the other thing I wanted

00:34:12.780 to say was in the comments I saw, and I just want to speak to a witch master, and this is not

00:34:18.240 particularly an attack, but don't be so bold to say that Lord Odin is in some slumber and cannot

00:34:26.080 materialize in the middle world. I would not be so swift to claim to know the extent of the powers

00:34:35.680 of the gods in that way. And I would encourage you to consider perhaps the miasma, the sleep

00:34:44.540 is ours and not his um and that our waking up is one of that is to be deserved um just simply

00:34:56.240 because there was a comment made that um that uh lord odin cannot break he or he says odin cannot

00:35:04.280 break the heavy spells of sleep because he is still in the dream realm and not yet materialized

00:35:10.820 you're on Midgard, but Odin can be evoked, not invoked. And I understand what you're saying on

00:35:19.920 that latter half, but that front half, I really do believe that the slumber is upon us, and that

00:35:30.060 those deserving of waking are the ones who will attain, but it requires great effort, and more

00:35:39.400 importantly it requires group effort it's not just simply a faustian project of the individual which

00:35:48.760 is another folly that i think a lot of people fall down i just i just wanted to say that else

00:35:53.560 here because i caught it in the corner of my eye sure i want to get a couple of other things here

00:35:57.800 too so um swan you're over nice no odin's not asleep odin's awake and active odin lives odin

00:36:06.040 can do what odin wants to do um some kind of idea that he exists in some dream realm or whatever um

00:36:14.840 that's not supported by by anything objectively not only is he not asleep but he actively awakens

00:36:23.960 that's one of the important elements the all father is he awakens and stirs the soul of our

00:36:29.800 folk that's why we are here doing the things we do is that he is he has called us to it through

00:36:36.740 his active participation so yes the gods can communicate through and exist in dream space

00:36:47.800 but they also exist far outside of our understanding beyond the veil doing a variety of things

00:36:53.560 and we are impious to suggest limitations on their powers

00:37:00.860 unless we know that to be true in some case.

00:37:04.040 And so I think it's a really important thing

00:37:05.480 and it's not to slap anybody down.

00:37:07.060 It's just to, you know,

00:37:08.380 it is important for us to speak with authority

00:37:10.520 on the things where we know them

00:37:11.980 and to correct anything that might be a confusion

00:37:15.180 or a misunderstanding.

00:37:19.480 Also, I want to note just before I forget it,

00:37:21.820 Austin donated $20 to the Baldur's Steeple. We appreciate that, Austin. Thank you for that.

00:37:28.140 And Ronald Blake bought us five coffees. We appreciate that very much.

00:37:34.360 It's a $25 donation. Thank you for that.

00:37:37.200 Something I wanted to say before the poster leaves and may not be here to hear it.

00:37:44.140 Is Austertroup tolerant towards witches?

00:37:46.960 continued 0.97

00:37:50.580 nature spirit witchcraft 0.98

00:37:52.660 like Wiccan venerating 0.97

00:37:54.120 Norse polytheism

00:37:56.080 something like shamanism

00:37:58.140 to borrow a Christian reference

00:38:03.660 the devil is in the details 0.54

00:38:05.220 I think that all of that

00:38:07.700 really matters

00:38:08.460 I think truth exists

00:38:10.000 truth exists

00:38:11.840 some things are

00:38:14.280 if one's

00:38:16.380 exploration of wicca because that's the thing somebody mentions in the chat it's like a

00:38:23.380 completely different religion that's very figured out yes and no it's also a catch-all for any

00:38:31.260 eclectic pagan friendly explorers that haven't found their home yet there's a lot of people

00:38:40.280 that have come to ousted truth through wicca over the years there are in the way back some really

00:38:49.080 defined schools of like gardenerian uh wicca but most wiccan things are very eclectic and very

00:38:57.940 random and hodgepodge and when i say that we ought not throw out the good with the bad

00:39:06.860 That is, I don't think that's the best way to interact with the divine, but I do think that it opens people up to the realization that gods of many different peoples are real and exist, and depending on their focus and the things they do, I don't preclude that Wiccans can't seek the favor of our gods and interact with them in some way.

00:39:33.060 I think often some of them do, and that leads them home to Alcitru, and I think that's a really good thing, so I don't discount, I think that, I don't want to put this, because you asked if it's tolerant towards Wicca,

00:39:51.060 Wicca, I would say that the average Alcetruar is not because Wicca seems to be so very permissive and eclectic and insultingly casual in its approach to divinity, but that is a huge overstatement, and I'm sure there are plenty of Wiccans out there that are very pious, that are very respectful, and that might be very similar in worldview.

00:40:19.060 There's probably a lot of, quote unquote, Norse Wiccans out there that don't understand that Ausatru exists or is an option for them.

00:40:30.420 So I wouldn't shut somebody out just because that's where they come from or that's how they first, you know, discover the reality of the Aesir.

00:40:39.540 I think that that is a place to start.

00:40:41.880 I don't think toleration is the right word, but no, in our opinion, that is not, I say in our opinion, no, that's not where you should end up. If that's where you start, cool.

00:40:53.820 And there is a path for a lot of esoteric development that might be appealing to Wiccans within an Alcetru context.

00:41:08.280 But I think that Wiccans that are awakened to the reality of our gods ought to come home to Alcetru and seek the furtherance of that within our framework, within our folk, within the Alcetru Folk Assembly.

00:41:27.140 Svon, do you have any additional thoughts on that?

00:41:31.740 Well, one I wanted to get just before they maybe run off and other things for people in the audience.

00:41:38.280 witchmaster you asked a great question um but we'll probably not get to it till later because

00:41:43.480 we're gonna definitely get back to the um lore here in a moment but definitely stick around or

00:41:50.120 you know catch up on that um uh that question about the evolution i have a big point on that

00:41:56.840 one i want to make but um as far as wicca i i you you i think you said everything that needed to be

00:42:06.200 said about the wiccan side of it i think that from the witch side um you know looking at the lore

00:42:14.440 and looking at the word witch and looking at the word or nor near um it it it is about the

00:42:21.560 intentions the details um there are plenty of evidence in the lore in which which is of both

00:42:32.360 great might involving spiritual magic and um the runes and the first two that come to mind are

00:42:42.040 actually like opposite in gender the spiritual uh magic and shamanism is done by a man and the

00:42:48.520 rune magic is done by a woman but um in in those two cases one is the soul goes to look for the

00:42:56.680 best place to invade in iceland and then the other one is a is a rune viki a woman a rune

00:43:04.840 corner and she um carves runes on driftwood that ultimately leads to um the enemy of another man

00:43:14.120 being taken out so that he could be usurped and um it is about the intention it is about the um

00:43:23.720 um drive and the motivation of the in individual when we're talking about say magic evil magic a

00:43:35.240 lot of people nowadays in alsatru try to say oh heimdall runes gods good uh golvey uh seether

00:43:46.520 woman bad and they try to brush stroke these and what they're attempting to do is attract

00:43:55.080 monotheists who are still working in very simple uh frameworks and uh but the lore

00:44:03.640 is completely different than that there there are cases in which um the benefit is

00:44:09.960 and other times where the benefit is clearly bad and is condemned or hated um and especially as a

00:44:18.040 story element by the late uh nordic period uh especially with the attachment of the fins

00:44:27.240 the fins were seen as shamanic practitioners and it was spooky it was exotic it was scary

00:44:36.680 that you know eric the blood axe's wife trained with the fins that was to ramp up that intention

00:44:45.480 that uh excuse me that tension so when we talk about magic and and uh its uses i think overall

00:44:55.400 there is also through who are interested in that and perhaps have more claim than some but again

00:45:02.600 that's very scant and then others don't you don't have to be into that to be also true

00:45:10.360 you one of the things that i'd like to put out there is wicca as a catch-all isn't a religion

00:45:17.320 it's a grouping of pagan spiritualities

00:45:25.000 some is just silly hokey hot topic stuff and some are people that are sincerely devoted in their

00:45:36.680 practice but again like i said there are covens that are that have a religious structure there

00:45:44.800 are gardenerian tradition that has a much more structured and formulated practice but the term

00:45:52.500 wicked tends to be a very broad catch-all um witches or people who delve into um those kind

00:46:03.280 of magics there is a context for that within our lore that's why we want to bring all of our people

00:46:10.360 home to alsatru um aligning things and bringing them under the practice of our faith you can be

00:46:17.780 and also be a witch, or a vulva, or a noirnir, or a saithcona, or whatever that looks like,

00:46:33.620 there's certainly an avenue for that within our faith. It's not necessarily an active part of it

00:46:42.520 all the time but it certainly can be but there's space for that it's just like swan said that it's

00:46:48.760 all about you know real things are real how we utilize them makes the difference between whether

00:46:55.640 they're right wrong or otherwise you know violence is awesome if you are defending your folk if you

00:47:04.200 are heroically facing your enemy violence is bad if you're beating your family members like we

00:47:12.520 And I say that, and it sounds really stupid to say out loud, but it's exactly the same as some people's take on magic, as if magic itself is bad.

00:47:23.580 No, it can be used for good, beneficial things, or it also can be used for petty, malicious things that are not justified. 0.53

00:47:35.720 So the details really do matter.

00:47:38.600 And the other thing I want to say before we get too far, we will get back to the text.

00:47:41.440 You asked if the same asker asked if the gods, you know, if men can evolve, certainly can the gods evolve as well?

00:47:54.160 Absolutely. Of course they can.

00:47:55.760 I think that that's the point of the story of our cosmos in general is one of the fight to spiral towards ascension as opposed to be spiraling downward towards entropy.

00:48:18.380 So, yes, our gods obviously want to evolve.

00:48:21.100 The story of the All-Father is thick with him trying to grow, to learn, to become wise in different things and in different ways.

00:48:31.200 Absolutely, the gods can.

00:48:33.320 But I think we need to be very careful in our projection of how we feel like they need to or are evolving.

00:48:42.660 I think we need to be very grounded in our lore.

00:48:45.100 And I think that through a very careful and cautious way, do we learn more? Do we learn additional about our gods?

00:49:02.740 it's not that other people can't have insight

00:49:06.040 certainly they can

00:49:07.300 but I think there's a value in

00:49:09.800 that being

00:49:12.280 mediated and discussed

00:49:15.960 amongst elders and amongst

00:49:17.680 Gothar and amongst folks that

00:49:19.600 have a context and a long

00:49:21.740 relationship with the gods

00:49:23.480 and you know

00:49:26.140 you kind of

00:49:26.960 it is an art more than it's

00:49:31.980 a science, but there's a value in confirmation amongst a number of trusted people who have

00:49:38.760 time-tested wisdom and insight, as opposed to the very ecstatic bursts of inspiration

00:49:52.240 by the individual, and it doesn't take away any of those things, but I think anybody who

00:49:57.020 sincerely practices any of these things in whatever way you want to put them, but any

00:50:03.460 metaphysical explorations, it's very hard to put exactitude to that. And if three of

00:50:15.540 us had the exact same experience, we would process it three very different ways. Coming

00:50:22.380 to a reasoned consensus and some sort of um discussed distillation of that is very important

00:50:31.460 and that's why it's really valuable to do that in the presence of of again of elders and gothar and

00:50:37.420 people that you trust have some insight into into this for a long time so you know it's not to take

00:50:45.720 anything away from it it's just to add context and discernment to it one other contextual bit

00:50:52.760 i want to add about wicca though because he mentioned nature spirits and shamanism and all

00:50:56.160 that and it's the big thing that i dealt with when i left wicca was you know trees and rocks

00:51:03.500 and animistic spirits versus the vatir is a big difference that's the thing it's very hard to

00:51:13.180 speak about wicca as a thing because it's not a thing it's like an umbrella for a very very broad

00:51:21.500 category of things that some people are very eclectic some people have their wicca practice

00:51:28.380 very um exclusionary to a very specific way or maybe even a very specific god or a very specific

00:51:37.300 goddess um some of them build on tradition some of them just randomly do stuff there's uh

00:51:46.260 it's a it's very hard because there's it's described such a broad and something that

00:51:52.820 the you know angsty young girl hot topic daddy issues crowd that watch charmed or whatever

00:52:08.340 takes in a strange direction and that's again that's not to disparage

00:52:12.500 everyone but it is a lot of the popularity and we see

00:52:16.420 see, I don't know, to put some egg on our face, you see that in Iceland with the growth

00:52:23.180 of the Ausatruar Feligid. The original practitioners were very devout Ausatruar, but when it got

00:52:29.700 popular, all of a sudden, all kind of randoms come out because, hey, we're doing not-Christian

00:52:35.640 pagan stuff. Woo, party! And it very quickly loses the piousness and the genuineness of

00:52:43.640 practice. It's just like all the quote-unquote pagans that go to Stonehenge and leave mountains

00:52:49.380 of garbage every year because it's just a big excuse for degeneracy in masks in our traditions,

00:52:57.580 which is really unfortunate. But that's like a half an hour aside from our text, but you were 0.91

00:53:06.120 warned and you stuck around, so there you have it. But Svan, if you would take us back into the reading.

00:53:13.640 You are muted.

00:53:17.940 You are still muted.

00:53:23.140 Sorry, I was trying to keep the noise down.

00:53:27.260 You succeeded.

00:53:28.820 Yes, overly so.

00:53:31.380 I was going to say, Anthony Spears and Witchmaster and Hamilwiz,

00:53:36.220 you guys are dropping some great questions and stuff.

00:53:39.240 And the one about evolution that I was like, oh, no, you brought it up because I want to talk about it.

00:53:46.200 But there is something I want to hold on to that, put a pin on that one and come back to it, because I do want to express an idea or a thought that I had about the evolution, if you will, that's being discussed.

00:53:59.160 but i mean i digress we should maintain to the lord because it is a it's short as a piece

00:54:06.120 and that will give us more time to talk about all of this stuff so

00:54:13.080 okay so it cuts then to a narrative and it after uh the the awakening and the the the prayer um

00:54:24.600 And it comes as a narrator, her name was Sigdriva,

00:54:31.940 and she was a Valkyrie.

00:54:34.760 She said that two kings fought in battle.

00:54:37.840 One was Hjalmgunr, an old man, but a mighty warrior.

00:54:43.920 And Odin had promised him the victory.

00:54:47.040 And the other was Aknar, brother of Alda.

00:54:52.040 of Alda, none he found who feign would shield him.

00:54:58.800 Sigdrifa slew Hjalmgynr in battle,

00:55:03.800 and Odin pricked her with the sleep thorn

00:55:07.500 in punishment for this and said that she should never

00:55:12.820 thereafter win victory in battle,

00:55:16.140 but that she would be wedded.

00:55:20.000 And now in quotations it says,

00:55:21.920 And I said to him that I had made a vow in my turn that I would never marry a man who knew the meaning of fear.

00:55:33.620 Sigurd then answered and asked her to teach him wisdom if she knew of what took place in all the worlds.

00:55:42.780 And this is what Sigdrifa said.

00:55:44.820 A couple of things about this narration section.

00:55:47.800 One, the connection between the Valkyrie being the slayer. Bear this in mind that there are numerous points in which the lore talks about how a warrior should not look up because if he was to see his Valkyrie, it would mean his end.

00:56:09.520 there is a lot of connection between the Valkyrie being the willful cut of the thread

00:56:17.520 and in this case Lord Odin so a Lord Odin has his manifestations the beings of his will 0.94

00:56:29.340 that supersede even the Nornir and I mean that with the big N the capital N they 0.90

00:56:36.900 move in and he cuts their thread as he desires he has taken mastery over fate itself and the 0.92

00:56:50.700 the valkyrie or the valkyrie is that so for her to slay the king is that but in this instance

00:57:04.700 she breaks away from the will and does her own now it's kind of described as being kind of more

00:57:15.180 of a mix-up but in the other uh you know pieces it was a decision so she slays the king in essence

00:57:24.080 ending his life ending his thread and that in turn brings her as no longer fit to be a manifestation

00:57:36.000 of his will to be an extension of his of his decree so she is placed somewhere else and i find that

00:57:46.080 interesting interesting to know um the other is is that sigurd knows that she is if she is of the

00:57:55.120 other worlds if she is from you know beyond the bridge above or beyond the veils below

00:58:02.800 she will know things and so as kind of a test and a well if it's true then i gain boon from this

00:58:13.440 so there is a a sense that sigurd is a mortal man sigurd is of the middle world and in his mind

00:58:22.560 as soon as she says she is an agent of lord odin that went astray from his will and got punished

00:58:29.760 for it that she will have knowledge outside of simply the realm of men and that that part to me

00:58:37.680 I think is the dragon blood. It's the heart. In the last poem, when he was drinking from the heart

00:58:43.480 and ate the flesh of the dragon heart, he gained an understanding of not only just wisdom, but

00:58:51.660 the application to find out more. And this is a double-tongued kind of prodding into her. If she's

00:59:03.480 for real she will produce substance and if she does produce substance he will gain from it

00:59:10.520 very very very um tactical even though not really kind of hyper focused on in the story um

00:59:20.280 and so she does speak of the knowledge of the runes the the the runes

00:59:27.800 and the way she speaks of them she speaks of them in not so much say a reading of the

00:59:38.680 the tales of fate or even strictly the the projection of the will they're very specific

00:59:47.180 and i think that's part of the story element is what makes the runes that

00:59:52.720 menfolk do any different than the runes that the gods do well there isn't because it comes from the

01:00:00.600 gods but that the gods have precise and powerful and unique formulations that that garner results

01:00:13.320 and um in the in the um chat on the side i saw some folks talking about runestones in the u.s

01:00:23.080 i think it would be because some of those may be hoaxes or not and i'm not really

01:00:26.940 going to go down that road but i would encourage everyone who's interested in the runes to look

01:00:32.960 into the um runestone um called swinger rude um it is a lot of people think that runes

01:00:43.840 they discredited germanic runes and said oh they probably stole it from the romans who got it from

01:00:49.120 the etruscans and the etruscans got it from the phoenicians and ultimately it links back to the

01:00:53.360 phoenicians who are the canaanites and i never never uh believed that that they kind of did this

01:01:01.680 processes where the germanics stole it well this stone that was recently found predates etruscan

01:01:09.200 um writing infused in europe at all and it is filled with uh runic inscriptions so just wanted

01:01:19.840 to point people in that direction and i think also too that's kind of a dichotomy that you

01:01:25.280 and i have else here go the you said i was being far too nice because i i i don't i try to lay these

01:01:33.440 breadcrumbs down and sometimes i think what we need and what we what you're doing is the authority

01:01:40.160 of these the the ideas like cut the crap stop trying to be nice just simply say the truth 0.90

01:01:47.680 whereas i have a tendency to kind of dance around it in hopes that they they will follow the trail 0.98

01:01:53.920 like all right so swan you are

01:01:58.480 we're gonna get back to the text here in a second i promise um no because i think it's i think it's

01:02:04.960 an important point that i want people to understand um and i think you see two really important things

01:02:11.120 on display here

01:02:19.600 there has been a current in modern alsatru for a long time

01:02:26.160 wait i'm gonna i'm gonna use the restroom real fast sorry to interrupt

01:02:34.320 some people some people all right no i was just gonna want to use the restroom

01:02:39.600 go do your thing you're fine yeah um what i was gonna say though is there's been a current for

01:02:46.560 for quite a bit of time to where um and i think that's a product of its time and i think it's

01:02:53.840 also a product of being the first generation to rediscover something and there was a lot of

01:03:09.600 I'm back. I'm not sure what the disturbance was there. I hope you guys can all hear me. I was

01:03:26.480 going to say there's been a hesitancy for people to take a strong position and draw lines in the

01:03:34.140 sand and say, this is this and that's that. And one thing that is really important about the

01:03:45.580 Austro Folk Assembly and about Svan and myself, we are both men who have devoted our lives to

01:03:54.180 being priests of the Iser, and neither one of us wants to overstep or

01:04:01.640 go too far and be impious. The last thing we would ever want to do is misrepresent the gods

01:04:12.140 in any way. But it's strange because we also have a responsibility. We believe as a fundamental

01:04:20.520 tenet of our faith that the Ausatru Folk Assembly is the right way to practice Ausatru.

01:04:26.920 We believe that the All-Father inspired our founder and that he set the Ausatru Folk Assembly

01:04:34.780 in motion. I also believe with all my heart that the All-Father put his hand upon my shoulder

01:04:41.240 at Ostara 2017

01:04:44.320 endorsing me in my position

01:04:48.040 and I believe that

01:04:50.320 and believe even as I say that

01:04:53.020 I'm aware and I am self-aware

01:04:55.080 that people don't usually talk like that

01:04:57.140 and I don't ever want to be flippant or silly about it

01:05:00.600 but I would be equally impious

01:05:02.440 If I abdicated the responsibility that comes with that by downplaying it or by not taking a firm position when I believe a firm position is warranted and the right way to go.

01:05:21.020 So, especially while the both of us are on here, Svan errs on the side of piety, of not wanting to overstep, of not wanting to, you know, we don't ever want to box the gods in.

01:05:35.520 So when we say, you know, here is a line, this is right, this is wrong, we always want to be accurate with that.

01:05:43.180 We don't ever want to do it wrong.

01:05:44.360 And I think that Svon is very cautious of that. And I think that in my position, I'm also trying to be very cautious, but I'm aware of the responsibility that's been entrusted to me as well. And when we're both in the room, it kind of falls on me to make those real strong statements of, you know, this far and no farther, or here's where the lines are.

01:06:10.360 And so that's why some of that happens. But please don't think that anytime that we do take a really hard stance on something, please know that neither of us would ever do that inauthentically.

01:06:27.500 And we are always very aware of the responsibility inherent in that.

01:06:34.700 I pray every day that we do this show before I come on air to ask specifically that the gods, you know, help me to not do that.

01:06:47.540 And I ask their blessing and what I'm going to say and that they give me wit and wisdom and that I represent them rightly to the folk.

01:06:56.360 and that I granted, you know, the things I need to bring our folk home

01:07:02.080 and to represent them properly.

01:07:03.640 So that's not to say that everything we're going to say is always going to be perfect.

01:07:07.500 It's not, but it is always going to be our very best attempt to be as perfect

01:07:13.040 as we can be towards our gods, especially when we are speaking on their behalf in some way.

01:07:19.240 So just know that and carry on with the text whenever you would like.

01:07:23.320 okay oh yeah go ahead i'm sorry um so um she she agrees he says you know if you are of out of this

01:07:38.840 world if you are out of the middle the mid guard uh then teach me wisdom and so then it shifts back

01:07:50.760 to the poetic verses um and so she says beer i bring the tree of battle so she says beer and

01:08:03.720 it's very interesting that the word bior is utilized the actual word beer um

01:08:09.740 so she offers him another horn and she calls him the tree of battle so

01:08:17.400 you know the the folks that i've been seeing recently talking about yggdrasil we are yggdrasil

01:08:23.980 we are the tree this concept was not lost on our ancestors either um she calls him the tree

01:08:31.800 but he is this tree of battle because he is a warrior and she is a awoken by one who knows not

01:08:40.620 the the essence of fear he slayed a dragon he drank its blood he ate its heart she is

01:08:51.400 right now complete not the possibility of even being rescued was one thing but the idea is again

01:09:02.760 there is a mortal man out there who knows not fear and a valkyrie knows men's fear they know

01:09:12.760 our fear in battle um they are quite intimate with it and so there's an excitement there as

01:09:21.080 well kind of building uh it as a storyteller this is kind of the the things unwritten um

01:09:29.400 that i would immediately start kind of keying in on so she says beer i bring thee tree of battle

01:09:36.720 mingled of strength and mighty fame charms it holds and healing signs the words uh leak

01:09:46.520 uh leaking stava leak uh anything that leech leak garlic garlic um because of its use in medicinal

01:09:59.140 So the word leek has any connection to medicine, but the word signs is not correct. It's the stava.

01:10:07.240 So speaking of the runes, I think also to Bellows did these different words to make the translation not so repetitive.

01:10:18.020 She says that the beer itself holds charms and healing runes, spells, full good, and gladness runes, gamon runa, runes of happiness.

01:10:36.020 happiness um so she then speaks winning runes learn if thou longest to win and the runes on

01:10:50.460 thy sword hilt right some on the furrow and some on the flat and twice shalt thou call on

01:11:00.620 tear so she's speaking about the furrowed groove in the center to reduce the weight of the blade

01:11:10.260 but that the runes themselves and she's in this case there's no true like mention of the two

01:11:21.520 tear runes but it is runes in general the runes that she is teaching him and these are being

01:11:29.800 purposely vague. But that when you do carve these runes in the flat and in the furrow,

01:11:38.700 you shall call upon him, he who is the lord of combat, the lord of war, the lord of nations,

01:11:48.060 tir, and invoke his power to bless these runes. And that's another interesting thing about the

01:11:56.800 idea of carving runes but also asking the holy gods to imbue the runes or in essence um that

01:12:08.960 as your deed goes into weird and they gather at the well of urd they know recognize and place

01:12:19.280 within it um their blessings and then she turns and this is where the poem begins to kind of

01:12:28.400 drift into just like a montage if you will of learning she says uh ale runes learn runes

01:12:39.120 around ale and that in in question is from what we have is runes that protect you from poisons

01:12:49.280 Runes that protect you from illness or malice.

01:12:57.000 It could also be brewing runes, but this case is more towards the malice because of what's said after.

01:13:06.020 It's ale runes learn that with lies the wife.

01:13:09.980 So, of course, we've seen in numerous of the poems where an evil queen or an evil Jarl's wife poisons or attempts to do something through the horn giving.

01:13:28.860 and we've we've spoken about that that that's the end that's antithesis to culture at the time

01:13:36.860 that the the woman that brings the uh horn is such a high valued thing that uh for her to be

01:13:47.100 villainized in the poems is kind of the ultimate sense of the corruption of the house and it's also

01:13:55.180 we all know this, it's a thing. Women's power is wielded in subtle ways. And that's for good 1.00

01:14:08.960 or for ill. Because I don't know if anybody else is, you know, I'm sure we've all seen

01:14:18.020 this in different ways. One of the most gross things is when you see women try to pretend 1.00

01:14:29.900 that they're men. If they try to execute power in masculine ways, it doesn't work right 1.00

01:14:39.900 because they're not men so when women try to outman men 1.00

01:14:45.600 it doesn't that's not how it works that's abdicating the things that they naturally 1.00

01:14:53.320 have a skill towards in order to ape things that they don't have the inherent power of 1.00

01:15:00.200 and i mean obviously same thing when when men try to do things in womanly fashion 0.95

01:15:06.180 women's power is most effective when it's done subtly and with a softness they have a tremendous 1.00

01:15:15.920 ability magically and mundanely to influence circumstance by adjusting group dynamic 1.00

01:15:28.140 and the relationship between men and things by calming disputes,

01:15:34.000 by showing particular people favor and deference and others ignoring,

01:15:41.140 by, you know, all of those things can enhance the order of a group.

01:15:47.700 They can enhance the might of a king.

01:15:49.960 They can enhance the effectiveness of his counselors,

01:15:53.520 of the warriors to bond together, or they can sow discord.

01:15:58.140 And they can, you know, whisper in people's ear and seduce men into all kind of nefarious behavior.

01:16:07.900 But they can also reinforce men's duties with the same powers. 0.52

01:16:13.000 And so you see women, you know, you don't see the woman stand up in the hall and challenge the, you know, loud dude to a fight. 0.60

01:16:22.560 That just doesn't, that's not how that works. 0.65

01:16:25.240 but you do see women when they have an ax to grind sometimes you see them poison drinks or

01:16:33.000 you see them cast spells upon things or do those kind of subtle influences and this is an interesting 1.00

01:16:39.980 because it comes from a woman like hey heads up here's a thing to do and it this will help you 1.00

01:16:49.620 against women trying to do you harm so sometimes you have different arrays of magically skilled 1.00

01:16:57.000 women like engaging on each side of a conflict to negate the other's subtle effects and this is

01:17:08.120 kind of an interesting it is interesting when a woman is giving him the tools to thwart nefarious

01:17:16.480 attempts by other women um that's that's a special thing and i think you see this in different

01:17:23.100 motifs you see it with women when their men are about to go out to battle you see it with

01:17:27.460 you know advisors towards a king you see it with mothers towards a son you see this sometimes so

01:17:34.480 it's kind of a neat glimpse into that the gender politics of the time and and it also has pertinence

01:17:43.020 to later or in the in the future of the story which is really interesting it's even against

01:17:52.940 her that's the that's an interesting part of that as well is that she kind of ends up becoming that

01:18:01.100 very instrument i i did want to say um so the uh the part about the runes and calling upon

01:18:09.900 tier i didn't want somebody to go out there and say well like svat said that the two runes of

01:18:14.620 the tear runes you know that's not really what they're doing i wanted to point it out in this

01:18:19.820 next um verse the reason why there is a mentioning of tear twice and the idea that that's connected

01:18:29.900 to those runes is because there is a mention of another rune that is carved as well. So

01:18:39.600 not saying that it isn't, but that the focus is correlated because of this stanza coming up.

01:18:49.800 she says ale runes to learn that with lies the wife of another betray not thy trust

01:19:01.020 on the horn thou shalt write and the backs of thy hands and need shalt mark on thy nails

01:19:10.140 For those who are knowledgeable in the runes, there is a rune called Nalv, Nalv in the Younger Futhark, and that would be known at this time, is most likely the rune that she is referencing in relation to carving on the nails.

01:19:40.140 Now, there's no specification if there's carving on the back of the hands. There could be. It's not really emphasized. It's simply that it is rista. It is written on the horn, on the back of the hands, and on the nails.

01:20:02.220 and this again adds another development in the understanding of that rune or another way to look

01:20:10.760 at this too is that's i think from the story aspect from the storyteller to the audience

01:20:17.860 um the fantastical level of the runes could be i i don't want to say it's not possible

01:20:28.660 But what I do kind of have this inclination to believe about is that the storytellers knew that the runes were a plot device to really give the audience what they wanted.

01:20:44.780 And so sometimes they could be viciously precise, specific on things that they were talking about.

01:20:55.960 So, you know, you don't see that so much in other like the continental, the Anglo-Saxon and the German rune poems and or the rune songs or the Merceberg charms and so on.

01:21:11.900 they're very vague but by the nordic period it was oh this rune or i know a rune and they won't

01:21:20.080 specify it but it will um you know blow the hinges off of doors that have the hinges facing outward

01:21:29.320 very just very powerful um and i think that there's more symbolic meaning than the specificity

01:21:38.320 of it but so a couple of things i wanted to say too in the time of the writing of this we don't

01:21:54.560 we have developed the

01:21:59.520 understanding of the runes in the way we have it in this very well developed complete format now

01:22:08.320 due to our understanding of archaeology and linguistics and all kind of things that our

01:22:17.200 ancestors of this period didn't have access to um so we may be really familiar now with an accepted

01:22:27.280 understanding of of the runes in their different rune rows and what those things mean

01:22:33.520 that wasn't a given for our ancestors they were inherently very mysterious it's very obvious to

01:22:42.480 you know any brand new aussitur who's curious enough to pick up rune lore that now these

01:22:51.540 is the need room that's not obvious to the people who read this

01:22:56.420 I think whenever we talk about runes, it's also always worth pointing out that the rune is the mystery that's embodied by the straight line carving.

01:23:08.840 It's not the straight line carving itself.

01:23:12.880 That seems subtle. It seems a distinction without a difference, but it's not. The difference really does matter.

01:23:19.600 It is a meaning that we've ascribed to these different sigils.

01:23:23.940 uh and also talking about women's stuff over just to follow up on what i said a few minutes ago

01:23:31.740 there was someone in the chat that mentioned that women lose their power when men don't desire them

01:23:36.680 sexually like women leveraging lust and sexual attraction is absolutely a fundamental part of a 0.93

01:23:49.260 lot of their subtle manipulation of things, certainly. But it's not the only part. Often you 0.99

01:23:56.980 see, because there's other things, you treat an old lady that's being mistreated very differently

01:24:11.820 than you treat other things.

01:24:16.080 And not because you sexually desire her,

01:24:18.960 but because there's an inborn instinct towards defending women. 1.00

01:24:26.320 So women are able to leverage pity. 1.00

01:24:34.760 They're able to leverage other things.

01:24:36.900 Like there's talk in the lore, you know, the men aren't going out to fight.

01:24:41.160 so the women will go out to fight and bare their breasts and like if i'm out here having to be on

01:24:46.840 the front line what are you doing back there cowering under the table what that's not because 1.00

01:24:53.640 the guy lusts after her it's because she is utilizing honor and shame by her example of 1.00

01:25:04.120 her going out there and doing the hard work we see that today if we're at a hoff or something 1.00

01:25:08.360 and you see the ladies have to start moving the furniture and doing the heavy lifting on stuff, 1.00

01:25:14.180 the guys are inherently like, uh-oh, okay guys, break this up, it's ridiculous, we can't let the 0.93

01:25:18.660 women go out there and be hefting the stuff, that's shameful. So there is a leverage of a lot 0.87

01:25:25.540 of those things that isn't just confined to sexuality. A lot of it is, and I'm not denying

01:25:30.560 that, but that's not the end of it. There's ways that that's done very differently by

01:25:35.960 um by children by older women by um i've seen that play out in a lot of different ways so it's

01:25:44.000 not it's not just that yeah i would even argue too that uh that mode of thought is very

01:25:51.600 mediterranean-esque and i'm and i'm not gonna say strictly middle east because it pervades

01:25:58.580 throughout but that was kind of the the hag the the hecate kind of um sense that when a woman 0.95

01:26:08.260 lost her ability to have children and be sexually viable she turned into this kind of crone

01:26:16.100 hag element and i think that modern day wicca or especially on the feminist circles of there 0.84

01:26:23.380 want to push that because oh just how terrible men are but in reality in the germanic mindset

01:26:30.660 it seemed throughout that uh the young maiden was lauded for purity innocence and and a symbol

01:26:40.580 to be protected uh a woman of course uh whether sexual or or uh bowed by oaths in marriage

01:26:48.820 had her own power and then the mother of the folk after giving children perhaps her husband

01:26:56.020 has died in battle but yet still she's able to give auspicious you know readings forward

01:27:04.740 and people listened and and that had its own power too she wasn't ostracized to live in the 0.62

01:27:13.620 in the edges of the woods in the in a shack if she did that uh that was because she was

01:27:22.340 shunned by the community for some reason or another the community as a whole not just men

01:27:30.340 so i think that's important for us to kind of recognize those cultural differences between

01:27:37.060 the germanic aryan folk and the their cousins or perhaps late hellenic a random other side thing

01:27:44.340 and we will get back to the text this is just what we're doing um sexuality is hugely important

01:27:53.860 to all mammals and us we are no exception there i think there is a tendency within

01:28:02.180 an ousted truth sometimes because we've seen so much sexual degeneracy in paganism generally and

01:28:11.800 in the world around us to kind of overcompensate to a puritanical thing. And I don't think that's

01:28:19.080 warranted. Sexuality certainly has its place and it motivates a lot of things. But one of the keys

01:28:25.620 to noble people is it's not the only thing. Sexuality motivates beasts. It motivates us too

01:28:32.620 because we have that element to us, but noble principles do as well. That's why the protection

01:28:39.020 element isn't protection so that we can mate. It's protection because it's the right thing to do.

01:28:45.320 It's championing the weak because we are strong. There's a lot of noble things that are

01:28:52.520 incorporated in there. And I think reducing everything down to a sexual impulse isn't really

01:28:59.360 our thing. I think you do see that in other groups of people. And that's one of the kind of differences

01:29:05.060 between Freudian psychology and Jungian psychology is you see, um, Semitic peoples often

01:29:15.440 shaping the world in that very very sexual context where one of the things that defines 0.89

01:29:24.700 Aryan man is our ability to to rise above that and have um have things from as I guess our 0.50

01:29:35.360 founder would probably put it a higher cauldron or a higher point of consciousness we certainly

01:29:41.620 still have that element that's primal and that's very sexual to our motivations but we're not just

01:29:48.820 that we are so much more than just that and it's one of the things that makes our people special and

01:29:57.860 so exemplary is us having the ability to transcend just the base needs

01:30:03.620 yeah it's i've some uh i think the there was a transvestite that hung a big giant flag in some

01:30:15.160 national park and was ranting about how uh species and species this and there's species that do that

01:30:21.940 and i i remember specifically saying you you're thinking this is a biological argument this is a

01:30:27.860 moral argument. And I've, you know, I've seen animals do all kinds of crazy things in nature.

01:30:34.120 It's to, yeah, to make that equivalency is just wild to me. Like, I don't know where people got

01:30:40.920 it in their heads that that was a, that was the basis of the argument was, we're humans,

01:30:46.260 we're not animals. Yes, we are. But we have morals versus, you know, oh, that kid's not

01:30:52.980 keeping up with my other child, so I'm going to eat them.

01:31:01.820 Anyways, I digress. So back to the runes. And so she says the ale runes to protect the ale

01:31:11.980 from poison. But there's some other unique things here. After saying carving the need rune or need

01:31:19.740 shalt mark on thy nails thou shalt bless the draught and danger escape and cast a leak into

01:31:27.580 the cup there's a reason why the leak sometimes is utilized specifically in certain types of bloats

01:31:35.340 of blessing the leak is a that that symbol of the removal of uh the health of etc um so

01:31:46.060 So blessing the draught and then placing the leek into the cup.

01:31:51.840 For so I know, thou never shall see thy mead with evil mixed. 0.59

01:31:59.280 So that's the first power and lore that she places in his mind.

01:32:09.700 Next, she speaks of birth rooms.

01:32:12.260 So she says, again, teaching a warrior this is interesting, but I think also, too, it is of value and usage in relation to the audience.

01:32:25.500 birth runes learn if help thou wilt lend the babe from the mother to bring on thy palms

01:32:36.900 shalt write them and round thy joints and ask the fates to aid and the word fates is interesting

01:32:46.140 it's not the word nornir

01:32:48.680 or norns

01:32:50.000 it is the word desir

01:32:52.520 so on thy palms you shall write them

01:32:56.220 and around thy joints

01:32:57.320 and you shall ask the desir

01:32:59.420 for aid

01:33:00.580 and note for people

01:33:05.240 desir means either

01:33:07.180 exalted

01:33:08.160 it either means

01:33:11.080 exalted female ancestor

01:33:12.680 or it means goddess

01:33:14.200 it's got multiple multiple uses in that sense yeah i forgot to even bring that up

01:33:22.160 no we go over it a lot but i always know that we get you know we always get new new viewers so

01:33:28.860 well and she switches then to wave runes and this would be akin i think a lot of people kind of laugh

01:33:38.800 or think about like oh what's up with the wave runes but the wave runs are the the equivalency

01:33:44.160 of travel runes which i think people would not think too crazy about considering how dangerous

01:33:50.560 it is to just drive um but for the late nordic period the ocean uh was the means of travel

01:34:01.280 and so knowing runes that uh aid in in that gaining favorable wind calming the seas very very

01:34:10.640 powerful and he's uh as she says wave runes learn if well thou would shelter the sail steeds out on

01:34:20.320 the sea the sail steed of course is a boat um on the stem shalt thou write and the steering blade

01:34:29.920 the rudder, and burn them into the oars. Though high be the breakers and black the waves, thou

01:34:37.640 shalt safe the harbor seek. Branch runes learn if a healer wouldst be, and cure for wounds wouldst

01:34:49.200 work on the bark shalt thou write and on trees that be with bows to the eastward bent

01:34:59.680 so here we clearly see a connection of direction in relation to branch growth

01:35:08.320 and uh in specifics towards healing magics um there's the the the same concept as my rune

01:35:21.040 master taught me was to never let the the branch touch the ground it was always separated by a

01:35:27.600 claw so looking at the direction and also making sure that it was never grounded if you will

01:35:34.320 was very, very important. These are, I think, little details that a lot of people

01:35:40.040 either don't pick up on or don't consider part of their framework. But it is just

01:35:47.000 interesting, and it's clearly part of the framework at this time.

01:35:52.000 Speech runes. Speech runes learn that none may seek to answer harm with hate.

01:36:00.180 Well, he wins and weaves them all and sets them side by side at the judgment place when justice there the folk shall fairly win.

01:36:12.600 to know these runes, to speak of these runes

01:36:16.500 and have them in the ability

01:36:18.420 so that you may pacify the roused heart

01:36:27.120 in tumultuous times

01:36:31.460 which in this case, the judgment place

01:36:34.640 the gathering of the courts

01:36:38.540 where the law speakers, where the priests

01:36:40.820 would come together and adjudicate problems between and also when trying to rouse your 0.97

01:36:49.940 menfolk to battle or to calm their spirits and dissuade them from being foolish. That's where 0.94

01:37:00.080 the speech runes come in. But again, it's not mentioned as to where. And I've encountered some

01:37:08.740 folks who have liberty in in that saying perhaps it's the tongue perhaps it's the throat um or

01:37:16.120 perhaps it's simply the song itself it's uh very very interesting to think of the the changing of

01:37:23.120 the speech um thought runes learn if all shall think thou art keenest mind of men and then

01:37:35.540 there is a break here. And I can't remember if it's most likely ineligibility. And there is

01:37:48.980 another one further on, but I did want to speak a little bit on that is when we talk about the

01:38:00.160 the magics and we look at the golden box and a lot of folks will look at the golden box and say

01:38:05.360 oh that's that's a hermetic medieval kabbalah whatever they you know that's you know affecting

01:38:14.400 the runic no that there are a lot of rune sigils in the golden box in relation to the very same

01:38:24.640 content and I think that either it could be written off as simply that's you know most

01:38:33.460 groups of people have desire to have the rune that will you know make them be keenest of mind

01:38:43.420 but also too nothing exists in a vacuum and when we say Kabbalist

01:38:51.600 um we're talking about jews of and i'm broad stroking this but jews of the medieval ages

01:39:00.320 and they were already in europe and christians and their christian magic the sigil magic what

01:39:07.980 have you um was already in europe but if you go further back it's the sacred geometry of greece

01:39:14.700 It's the power of word, both in Italy and in the Middle East and in Egypt.

01:39:22.180 There was an accumulation of a lot of that that ultimately led to what those groups are.

01:39:31.180 And it could be even traced all the way back to the Babylonians and influenced by shamanic practices and the idea of placement within the world, etc.

01:39:43.660 But I just, you know, people kind of get on some of the magical practices of like the Golderbock and say that it's overly influenced by this or that, but you can see the intent of the runes here are expressed almost the same in the Golderbock.

01:40:02.040 The only difference is the style. And since the symbol is not the essence of its power, it's the sound. I think that would be a more unique argument to make is that sigil magic from medieval hermetic and geometry may be not in accordance with our souls as Germanic folk because ours was so clearly based around sound.

01:40:28.960 But that's a whole nother thing. I just wanted to kind of throw that up there.

01:40:35.260 So there is this spot where we lose two lines. And in 13, it says, then Hropt arranged and them he wrote. Hropt is Lord Odin.

01:40:50.800 And them in thought he made

01:40:54.360 Out of the draught that down had dropped

01:40:58.660 From the head of Heydropnir

01:41:02.300 And the horn from Hodrovnir

01:41:07.660 And of course

01:41:11.040 Heydropnir

01:41:14.100 Referring to the goat

01:41:19.760 Let me see. I'm trying to see if that's. Oh, no. So there's there. Well, there's the goat in Bauhall, Hayden, but Haydropner and treasure opener, Hodrovnir, are both in correlation to Mimir,

01:41:45.100 Specifically after he is placed in and becomes the access point for Lord Odin to gain entry into the well of memory

01:41:57.780 Or the well that draws in so that he can see it and gain its knowledge

01:42:05.820 On the mountain he stood with Brimir's sword, on his head the helm he bore, and then first the head of Mim spoke forth, and the words of truth it told.

01:42:24.420 and then poetically it's another part that's lost but we don't we're not deprived of everything

01:42:35.880 but again what this is doing in the poem is that she is establishing that she knows knowledge that

01:42:46.080 humans would not know she is saying the next things that i'm about to teach you

01:42:52.340 They are from Lord Othyn himself, and he gained this when he pulled out this knowledge from Mimir at the well.

01:43:07.140 So it's another elevation or another kind of power reinforcement of the rims. 0.75

01:43:13.900 And in 15, he says he bade or he encouraged through this.

01:43:18.820 that Mimir was teaching Lord Odin, and Lord Odin was the one that told her or told the gods,

01:43:27.580 he bade right on the shield before the shining goddess, on Arvark's ear and on Alsvid's hoof, 0.73

01:43:36.720 and on the wheel of the car of Hrongmir's killer, on Sleipnir's teeth and the straps of the sledge.

01:43:45.240 So Mimir now teaches this sacred power, perhaps because he's now connected to the waters that Lord Odin also reached into, but that Lord Odin then turns and uses these powers and places them in key spots.

01:44:11.240 there is the the this sacred symbol of power that's placed upon the horse of the sun

01:44:19.940 alvark on its ear and on the hoof of the other horse so and on the wheel of the car so on the

01:44:32.160 chariot wheels of lord thor but what we're also getting here is again the galderbok talks about

01:44:38.760 placing these sigils under your arm or in the ground or upon these things that is not something

01:44:45.720 foreign that was added into uh nordic magic practices because we see here it was very much

01:44:54.200 about placing the symbol in specific places for its effect in essence

01:45:00.000 drawing the power of orlaw into the very specific part of orlaw you're trying to affect

01:45:12.120 um but in this case lord othen does it in in the heavens he does it on slepnir's teeth

01:45:21.920 that i so this all of this placement to me is just absolutely fascinating and and again it leaks

01:45:31.400 um an understanding of the usage of the runes by our ancestors the audience would understand

01:45:39.440 this to some degree um where these uh symbols of power should be placed but then it goes into

01:45:49.580 it just expands from there obviously she's leaving the mortal realm and saying lord oh

01:45:57.820 then these are the these are the runes that he learned he after pulling from mim and hanging

01:46:05.160 from the tree this is the the the powers that be beyond um normal mortal understanding

01:46:16.880 16 is on the paws of the bear and on brahi's tongue brahi of course the god of music of poetry

01:46:28.460 um i would even argue with mathematics but um on the wolf claws bared and the eagle's beak

01:46:38.780 on bloody wings and the bridge's end, and on freeing hands and helping footprints.

01:46:48.760 Again, freeing or unfettering of hands, I think, is ultimately what

01:46:55.720 this is referring to. Runes on glass and on gold and on goodly charms, in wine and in

01:47:08.640 beer and on well-loved seats on gungnir's point on the spear point of lord oden on granny's breast

01:47:19.200 the horse of sigurd on the nails of norns and uh most likely they're this part of the poem is

01:47:29.680 referring to simply witches in general um and not so you know these are on the important pieces

01:47:40.000 of all of these things so the iconic you know things that do the damage are like the teeth

01:47:48.080 and the claws and the paws or the wings of the eagle or these these various things on the nails

01:47:54.320 of the nornir that twists are associated with twisting and spinning and handiwork as is of

01:48:04.880 of materials of weaving and that's a constant theme throughout so on the nails of that is

01:48:13.920 meaningful i just wanted to put that out there because yeah no i never thought of it that way

01:48:18.880 the switch the switch point of activation um also uh this is an interesting part here at the end

01:48:30.640 and the night owl's beak which i think is very very interesting to think about whenever anyone

01:48:41.280 says our ancestors didn't do something remember that by lore standards this is the only time

01:48:51.600 that an owl is mentioned it was almost as if they did not know the creature existed if lore

01:49:02.960 constituted their their knowledge of um and i remember getting into kind of a debate with

01:49:10.720 someone about i think it was music and masks uh the usage of masks which has been proven now and

01:49:18.080 and uh drums and you know of course the runes themselves being written on bone written on wood

01:49:26.800 um and not surviving over these over time and the scarcity of an owl um kind of again would lend to

01:49:37.600 its lack of mentioning often but in this case it is mentioned but it's it's if this was not there

01:49:48.480 this verse was gone by all lower counts there would be no other mentionings of owls and uh

01:49:56.560 i don't think that's a wise spot for us as as folk to kind of say oh well our ancestors wouldn't do

01:50:05.360 that or iron sisters never used the drums because it was if they did it would have been mentioned

01:50:11.440 that's like saying you know ah if it was true it'd be on the nightly news that's not that's not a

01:50:18.000 good look what kind of one's volume i was going to say he's either being

01:50:35.280 very still in an awkward pose or he is frozen voodoo voodoo

01:50:40.400 does that mean it's time for impromptu dad jokes uh it does not it means it's time to uh

01:50:54.160 hit an impromptu question until spawn returns hey there question for y'all tonight so looking at the

01:51:01.120 concept of the gift cycle, it's pretty easy to see how humans benefit from receiving gifts from

01:51:06.320 gods. But what do the gods get from it? Is there some tangible way they benefit from offerings and

01:51:14.320 other forms of worship? Or do they just like it? Thanks. That is a really good question. And

01:51:22.880 something i think that's important for us to contemplate is kind of what what they get out of

01:51:32.480 it because largely our portion our giving portion in the gift cycle during ritual is a very symbolic

01:51:44.240 thing like the gods don't need mead they don't need you know they don't need meat they don't need

01:51:55.280 the stuff that we offer but this thought really does count and the devotion is meaningful to them

01:52:06.720 and i think that it's fun to ponder like what that looks like but i don't know that we will

01:52:11.840 So, I don't know that we will know, but I think one of the, a place to start, and I

01:52:23.260 don't pretend this is the end of it, but it is a place to start on it.

01:52:28.340 When you are, and again, I have no idea the age of the person who asks the question, but

01:52:34.120 But when a parent exchanges a gift with a child, if you get your kid a really cool toy

01:52:42.280 that they really want, it's very obvious the tangible thing they get from it.

01:52:48.320 One for one, I want the Barbie Corvette.

01:52:50.620 Yay, I got the Barbie Corvette.

01:52:52.420 You have this big, cool Barbie Corvette that you put Barbie in and it's, that's a very

01:52:59.380 tangible thing to relate to.

01:53:01.060 But what do you get when your kid gives you some piece of art that's draped in glitter and funny stickers and whatever it is?

01:53:16.900 It is objectively hideous.

01:53:21.340 It's not some valuable art piece.

01:53:24.980 yet parents uh are moved to tears when their children give them something like that

01:53:32.180 what do you get from it like if your child puts a bunch of thought and man i really think dad

01:53:41.160 likes this thing so i'll incorporate this thing and i'll put a bunch of effort because i really

01:53:46.860 love glitter so i'll put a bunch of glitter on it and i really love butterflies i think dad would

01:53:53.760 i seen dad one time he eats you know whatever he likes beef jerky so here's beef jerky on the thing

01:54:02.720 the thought and the effort that a child puts into a gift they give the gift sucks but the thought

01:54:11.920 and the the fact that they gave you the gift and spent the time thinking about it and like

01:54:19.840 like wanting and being like excited to give it to you has a value, but I don't know how to put

01:54:27.420 that value on a scale or quantify it or make it make sense. And I don't claim that's all of it

01:54:35.060 with the gods. I don't know all of it with the gods, but I think that that is a valuable starting

01:54:40.500 point with the gods. There's nothing that we materially can provide them with, but I think

01:54:48.040 that our devotion and our worship our love for them and our loyalty to them has a value a very

01:54:56.360 real value but it's not one that's you know it's not the barbie corvette it's the

01:55:04.080 it's the gift of love and thought and caring that that matters and i think that it matters

01:55:14.320 more than just a awe that's nice way i think it's much more profound than that

01:55:21.520 i think that also in a way we are and we by we i don't mean humanity i mean

01:55:30.240 And Ausatru are the gods' representatives in Midgard to a way.

01:55:37.540 We have an ability to amplify them, to celebrate them, to spread their reputation, to help facilitate their children coming home to them.

01:55:54.880 There are tangible services that we can provide to them that do matter.

01:56:00.240 um i don't so again the question is really i think a very good one and an interesting one

01:56:09.100 to ponder because the more we do i think we're more effective in our portion of the gift cycle

01:56:15.100 if all it is is about giving them material stuff that they don't necessarily need i think it

01:56:22.520 misses the mark the more it's about intention and thoughtfulness and full-hearted devotion i think

01:56:32.480 it has greater value and i think we internalize that when we think along the lines of the question

01:56:37.460 you asked tyler so thank you for doing that it's fine do you have any thoughts on the question of

01:56:42.480 you know the gift cycle it's obvious what we you know it's very obvious many ways we get gifts from

01:56:49.200 the gods but in what way what do they get out of the gift cycle from us in what way does it

01:56:55.980 does it benefit them in some way or uh is it uh how did he ask but what do the gods get from it

01:57:04.220 is it some tangible way they benefit from offerings and other forms of worship or do

01:57:08.580 they just like it do you have thoughts to add to that yeah i well i think one is that the gods are

01:57:17.440 ultimately seeking for us to be in alignment in the correct track our track not someone else's

01:57:25.360 um however i just by observation i just feel like the gods are not going to

01:57:34.000 give the benefits of being on track for the sake of giving them they have to be earned so if our

01:57:42.000 people turned away from them then they desire us to be on track with them and that means correct

01:57:51.680 timing like holy tides or holidays but when we're talking about the gift cycle just in general i

01:57:59.120 think once you open up a connection to the gods and place yourself on track and you're able to

01:58:06.240 receive their wisdoms they have far more worth in you uh going forward and i that's a really important

01:58:20.080 part of this i think the cycle of the soul of men the cycle of our souls going up and down or down

01:58:27.760 and up versus the animal cycle which is um that you know the vanir uh place forth into the middle

01:58:37.120 world life and as animals die that that life force ebbs and flows our souls and our life force are not

01:58:46.400 just part of the animal but have a unique factor of being and having inhabitants in in the heavenly

01:58:55.760 realm so when that happens it is about finding and filling heaven with the the the premier uh the the

01:59:10.400 exalted the um the ones who are personally chosen uh all of these things are part of that and i

01:59:19.200 believe that this is a processes um that happens uh so it but it all starts with us getting right

01:59:29.360 or uh you know i say i said it tonight um to a a member or i mean excuse me a young man who's

01:59:37.680 thinking about joining i said everything is down stream of the soul everything is downstream

01:59:44.560 of spirit. So it ultimately starts with us physically showing that we are getting ourselves

01:59:54.580 right. We're unifying, holding tradition, working together, practicing. And then once we open

02:00:04.240 ourselves up to that, that is when the gods are able to collectively, we are unified. We are

02:00:14.360 in synchronicity together at that point. I'm not saying that the gods can't do anything. I just

02:00:19.780 think, or can't do anything unless you do this specific thing. No, in reality, what I'm saying

02:00:25.880 is, is that the synchronicity of two cogs that are spinning out of time will create nothing.

02:00:34.900 And the one cog that is a god will break the cog of man that is off time. So you have to be on

02:00:43.660 time. You have to be lined up with them, and then you're able to receive the motion and the

02:00:52.100 power that they give in their spinning, if that makes any sense.

02:01:01.680 All right, Svon, let's get back to where you cut off before you left us.

02:01:07.720 sorry about that that's uh there is a uh storm rolling through uh this area and we there was a

02:01:15.480 couple of outages the other day with uh tree lines going down and such so just trying to

02:01:22.460 find the internet service provider leave something to be desired i'll just put that out there well

02:01:27.580 yeah and it's also partially my curse i think at the time though the clocks the it's all

02:01:34.700 But it happened a couple of days ago as well. And my wife was telling me that it's on the onset of this storm coming up the East Coast. So I don't know. Not making excuses. Caught me off guard completely.

02:01:52.140 Um, so she speaks about removing the runes.

02:02:01.600 Shaved off were the runes that of old were written and mixed with the holy mead and sent on ways so wide.

02:02:12.560 So the gods had them.

02:02:15.520 So the elves got them and some for the wanes so wise. 0.92

02:02:21.220 The wanes, of course, being the Vanir, the waning gods, the gods of the inescapable, natural law, life, procreation, death. 0.94

02:02:34.960 I thought they were gods of the wagon. 0.97

02:02:37.500 Yeah, the wane.

02:02:38.560 Yeah, the turning of the wheel.

02:02:40.120 um but that association of the wagon and specifically the the wheels rotation is

02:02:47.960 always correlated to with the waning of the moon the waxing of the moon the way uh the waning of

02:02:55.620 life it's the place in which these great powers in the middle and that's kind of what i was going

02:03:01.140 to go on with the the evolution of the gods question um is that funny i as far as the like

02:03:09.220 scraping thing I've wondered about that a little bit one of the things that I ran into

02:03:15.980 and sometimes I get these old man things like ah a recent book that's 15 years old now I uh

02:03:27.040 I was reading something in Alu by uh Edred Thorson a little bit about it's got

02:03:33.860 more of an operative thing to it about like how to practically utilize runes so one of the things

02:03:41.700 he talks about though as far as with food and with drink is like carving runes into cheese

02:03:48.600 and then scraping it off into you know whatever you're cooking or whatever you're doing

02:03:55.180 and i'm trying to think of practical ways to what this might entail this idea of of carved

02:04:02.460 rooms to being scraped into something especially when we talk about dissolvable you know like

02:04:09.680 liquids they can dissolve in and I remember that portion being kind of a standout to me

02:04:17.960 of ways to utilize rooms in this kind of a context it looks like Svan's frozen again

02:04:32.460 all right well while he thaws out we will move on to another question

02:04:37.020 this one is from ida carolina who is four years old i appreciate you uh listening to the show ida

02:04:44.280 um did ask and embla get married after they received the gifts of odin billy and bay

02:04:51.660 uh yes i believe that they did i believe that they got married while receiving those gifts

02:04:58.600 And I think in the most fundamental way, like, did they have a ceremony like you have in modern times? I don't necessarily think so. But they got married in a very special way. Because Odin and his brothers literally blessed their union and willed that they be together and make the progeny of Aryan mankind.

02:05:24.660 So I think they got married in a very particular and very special way.

02:05:28.800 And I think that Odin and his brothers officiated that way.

02:05:43.980 So, again, as we wait for Svan to return to us, we have a question from Trent.

02:05:53.820 Alshary Gauthier and Wittance Fawn, can you speak on the importance of the AFA, excuse me, being the best way to practice Sousa True?

02:06:04.720 Yes.

02:06:05.880 So, I mentioned a little bit about this earlier, but I'll continue on with it.

02:06:13.680 So, our gods are gods of order, and I think that's meaningful.

02:06:35.360 um there are

02:06:40.960 there were a variety of different seeds to modern ausitru that took root in different

02:06:51.580 parts of the world at different times and over time there was kind of a

02:06:58.320 I don't know a period of testing where we're seeing which of those would would flourish or

02:07:07.380 have longevity or play out and I think there was a number of good options at different times that

02:07:14.660 for whatever reason didn't work out or didn't maintain their integrity in the worship of the

02:07:22.240 gods. But the AFA did and has. I believe with all my heart that the AFA has been blessed by the

02:07:32.820 Aesir with continued success, with growth, with longevity, and with many, many blessings

02:07:42.240 for us individually and certainly for us as a church and as a whole.

02:07:50.980 It is essential to our faith that we move forward,

02:07:55.760 that we build, and that we progress into the future. 0.99

02:07:59.500 And the AFA has been the vehicle to move Al-Satru forward 0.97

02:08:03.440 in all the other ways and all the other practices of Al-Satru 0.52

02:08:10.460 that have remained true to the gods. 0.85

02:08:14.920 There's not the forward progression like you see in the Austro-Folk Assembly.

02:08:19.640 You see an endless cycle of new, you know,

02:08:24.620 everybody wants to start their own group for a variety of reasons.

02:08:28.920 Either they genuinely believe they can do it better,

02:08:32.380 or they want to be the king of their own small kingdoms.

02:08:40.460 But we don't see those move anywhere or build anything.

02:08:43.940 We do see movement and we see building with the Astru Folk Assembly.

02:08:52.740 The Astru Folk Assembly is the route towards the future so that our children and our grandchildren and their grandchildren can worship our gods and have good things to be proud of.

02:09:06.800 and that Ausatru can regain a prominence and a dignity and an elevation

02:09:13.940 that no other group of Ausatruar has been able to establish thus far.

02:09:21.640 I believe that's because of a special blessing and a special approval by the Iser.

02:09:29.660 The phenomenon we see with the various different backyard Ausatru groups

02:09:35.600 is that every new coalition of people, you restart Ausatru at year one.

02:09:45.120 It's really special that in the AFA, we're on year 31.

02:09:50.520 And that may not seem like a long time,

02:09:53.580 but in the milieu of people that we surround ourselves with, it's a very big deal.

02:10:00.120 So it is a fundamental belief of ours that the Iser have blessed us and have anointed our founder, Stephen McNallan, as being particularly the herald of the All-Father to reawaken and reforge Al-Satruch.

02:10:20.140 that ordination and the things that he's put into motion have been blessed

02:10:27.300 and very much we believe the gods have blessed and approved of myself being the

02:10:34.260 and of the ordinations that we pass on to our gothar

02:10:39.200 being in trough with the afa is being in trough with the iser

02:10:46.840 I would not ever go so far as to state that the AFA is the only way to connect with the gods, or the only way to be Ausatru, but I do believe that the AFA is the right way to be Ausatru, and it's the way that has been blessed and set in motion by the Aesir.

02:11:07.220 so affiliation with the astro folk assembly isn't just cool to be part of the club it's the right

02:11:16.420 way of practicing our faith and moving our faith forward so i believe very strongly that trough to

02:11:24.100 the afa is trough to the icier and that this is the right way that our folk ought to come home

02:11:32.260 this is the way that is being blessed with success

02:11:35.920 and this is the way that will best

02:11:39.400 provide that relationship between the gods and the folk

02:11:43.180 and move us through forward for generations

02:11:46.000 Svon is not back with us

02:11:51.740 and if he doesn't get back soon I will go back and finish the

02:11:54.780 finish the poem

02:11:56.620 Nick do you have exactly where Svon left off

02:12:02.460 I have not a clue.

02:12:05.240 All right, cool.

02:12:06.660 So I will get back to that.

02:12:08.260 We'll answer one more question.

02:12:09.540 If he doesn't return, we will continue with the text without it.

02:12:16.400 Greetings all.

02:12:17.240 How do we know when an offering is or is not accepted by the Iser?

02:12:22.820 I think that's a good question.

02:12:24.940 Um, I don't think it's a question that we ever, ever might be a strong word. I don't feel like

02:12:39.980 it's a question that's easily confirmable. I think, you know, I guess in the, it's not really

02:12:48.360 the best case scenario. In the most obvious scenario, if you're giving bloat and you make

02:12:54.560 an offering and you ask that the iser accept your offering and then something catastrophic happens

02:12:59.940 and you know everything goes bad all of a sudden i think that's probably a good sign but i think

02:13:07.940 the rest of it is kind of subtle i don't think

02:13:11.780 it's hard because i think it's different when it's a group of alsatruar versus an individual

02:13:23.360 I think that if done in a group, there's enough people there that are being genuine that it doesn't just slap you in the face.

02:13:34.040 But I think that more often than not, it doesn't come with a slap.

02:13:38.880 It comes with a silence.

02:13:40.480 I think that

02:13:43.300 it's funny that you ask

02:13:50.900 because I don't by personal experience

02:13:53.820 know

02:13:54.940 that's not to say that I think

02:13:57.660 that necessarily

02:13:59.380 the Aesir have always accepted

02:14:01.200 every offering I've made

02:14:02.460 I hope they have

02:14:03.240 I don't know that they haven't

02:14:06.120 but I don't want to presume that they have

02:14:08.900 But I don't know what exactly that looks like.

02:14:13.000 What I have seen is when people are flippant or casual or don't, their heart's not in the right place when they make offerings.

02:14:24.220 I have seen calamities happen within their life or within their peer group or within, you know, that circle of people that share hymenia with them.

02:14:35.280 and i think what you see more often than not isn't just one-offs what you see a lot is

02:14:43.100 uh patterns of things i think if your offerings are generally accepted you see good results in

02:14:52.200 your life and with the group of people that you worship with that share in those offerings

02:14:56.760 I think that when the offerings are not received well, you see a pattern of not getting those benefits, and sometimes of things going poorly, and of things disproportionately working out for the bad.

02:15:16.440 And I think that that's how you see it's very subtle, and I don't think it's the clean answer everyone would like.

02:15:22.280 there are particular times during bloat that I think you do see acceptance of gifts in a very

02:15:31.980 particular way you'll have synchronistic things happen syncretic things rather happen

02:15:37.660 in the midst of bloat you'll have favorable animal signs you'll have the fire roar up at

02:15:45.740 an auspicious time or the wind pick up in a particular special way or clouds move in a special

02:15:53.800 you'll see auguries of it in a particularly favorable time but it's much harder to tell

02:16:01.800 when it's not accepted well and i think we can think a little bit about that in terms of gift

02:16:08.680 giving it's very seldom that somebody's going to give you a gift that you're going to

02:16:14.240 respond very negatively to. There are times that people give you a gift that isn't given with the

02:16:22.520 best of intentions, or you don't really appreciate like you do the others, but usually there's a

02:16:28.900 certain amount of politeness to where you don't strike out at them. You just kind of nod, oh,

02:16:35.060 thanks. And I think that's might be more often what we see. But I think it would be extraordinary

02:16:44.720 for you to give a gift and there to be some very obvious, you know, rejection of you or the gift.

02:16:54.600 So I keep that in mind. And I know it's not the doesn't sound like the best answer,

02:16:59.320 but I do think it's the honest answer. All right. So let me get back into where we were at.

02:17:06.800 And I'm so sure Svon will join us again when he came. I think we left off on 19.

02:17:15.060 There he is right on time, Svon. So 19, proceed if you would. I was about ready to do it without you.

02:17:25.040 All right. Oh, no. 19, you said?

02:17:27.820 I thought that's where you were at.

02:17:29.320 25. Oh, are you?

02:17:32.500 No, you just talked about the wanes and the shaving off of runes, which is 18.

02:17:39.620 Oh, wow.

02:17:42.940 So, okay. I was talking a bit, and I didn't realize because I'm on a different page.

02:17:50.880 So, 19, beach runes are there, birth runes are there, and all the runes of ale, and the magic runes of might, who knows them rightly and reads them true, has themself to help, ever they aid till the gods are gone, referring Ragnarok.

02:18:20.880 uh then there's a lost part there because most likely in uh in eligibility then brynhild speaks

02:18:34.120 now sh shalt thou choose for the choice is given though tree of the biting blade

02:18:44.220 speech or silence

02:18:46.300 tis thine to say

02:18:48.500 our evil is

02:18:50.380 destined all

02:18:51.540 so at this point

02:18:54.400 it's she's saying

02:18:56.380 with the power

02:18:58.640 that you have

02:18:59.620 you will proceed forward

02:19:02.260 and must make the decisions

02:19:04.480 of inactivity or

02:19:06.160 activity and so

02:19:08.360 you're kind of like what we were talking

02:19:10.280 about the

02:19:11.560 the, the nuanced sense of witchcraft, if you will, where your deeds

02:19:22.440 and how your, your actions from here on out will be evil or not. And that's kind of what she's

02:19:33.540 lending to in there she then says um or he returns he says i shall not flee though my fate be near

02:19:42.740 i was born not a coward to be thy loving word for mine will i win as long as i shall live

02:19:49.780 and then she begins the council so she says first i read thee r-e-d-e is the word meaning

02:19:57.700 to counsel uh it survives in our language in names like alfred um or eldred um and she says

02:20:08.340 then first i counsel thee that free of guilt towards kidsmen ever thou art no vengeance have

02:20:19.060 thou though they work the harm reward after death thou shalt win

02:20:27.140 and i think that's really important it kind of manifests in our churches if you are a member

02:20:32.820 of our church and um you hear some someone come along and say oh they're bad for doing this or

02:20:42.100 or what have you, it is indicative of your friv that you go and find out, go and learn,

02:20:54.260 ask questions, seek resolve. I've seen far too many times where people are just like,

02:21:01.160 that's what it is. And then they immediately run without ever asking or reaching out to their

02:21:06.940 kinsmen to their frid folk in in in the fellowship of the gods they just trail into that and that's

02:21:15.640 i think one of the big points of that is that it is important that you always seek to make that

02:21:25.340 bond between your kinsmen and at this time i think the the machinations between kinsmen

02:21:32.320 were uh particularly dreadful but what she is saying is is that you should not be one of them

02:21:40.600 you should not seek to undermine your your kinsmen and that ultimately you being marked

02:21:47.460 by the gods will benefit you after you leave this place rather than being marked as a as a backbiter

02:21:57.440 or not even a backbiter, the biter of your brother's back, if you will.

02:22:07.340 Then second, I read thee to swear no oath if true thou knowest it not. 0.69

02:22:14.980 Bitter the fate of the breaker of troth and poor is the wolf of his word.

02:22:21.980 Don't make oaths with wolves.

02:22:24.420 don't make oaths that have shaky ground

02:22:30.260 it's this is just so much of a viable warning so don't the first counsel is don't uh hold malice

02:22:45.200 and work vengeance against your kin and don't go backwards and or just automatically damn them

02:22:53.220 without walking up to them and asking and saying,

02:22:57.720 hey, someone's leveled this accusation against you,

02:23:00.420 but you're my kinsman.

02:23:01.540 And I would never just believe it

02:23:03.220 from the mouth of some random person.

02:23:06.740 So I want to know.

02:23:08.880 And then the other is don't make oaths with people

02:23:11.980 that you don't know are beholden to a greater

02:23:20.380 and stronger truth than that you can trust upon i mean that's the the big point i think that's why

02:23:26.360 we were talking about oaths within the church um versus oaths with you know blood-borne pathogens

02:23:33.460 and sons uh viking guy in the backyard who immediately gets you into this oath of

02:23:42.340 um you know you're going to be my brother my for for the rest of my days um whereas the

02:23:50.820 legitimacy of the church i think lends a great weight because there are witnesses there are

02:23:57.680 people being held accountable there are folk who are uh it's it's intricate it's it's substance

02:24:06.760 Be careful, people, about getting into these oath bounds with folks in the backyard kind of aspect.

02:24:16.840 um uh then a third she says i i counsel thee that thou at the courts the thing uh the word

02:24:30.160 finger or thing is the courts the gathering of the godis and all the disputes so uh when you

02:24:39.180 are at the courts shall fight not in words with fools for the man unwise a worser word 0.95

02:24:47.020 than he thinks doth utter often he's a one-way street you could be absolutely wise but he's a 0.98

02:24:56.300 fool so you could show the correct way you could show the evidence and it means nothing the only

02:25:05.520 thing that matters is everything that they're saying and it only matters to themselves and 0.97

02:25:12.800 whoever they can convince that they're they're wise so when you sense that when you see that

02:25:18.400 stop it cut it off there's no point in carrying it on

02:25:23.280 now speaking again about our deeds of of doing and not doing she says ill it is if silent thou

02:25:34.620 art a coward born men will call thee and truth mayhap they tell seldom safe is fame unless wide 0.96

02:25:44.700 renown be won on the day thereafter send him to his death let him pay the price for his lies 0.97

02:25:51.980 so here we see that silence fence sitting uh staying at home hiding in the basement if you

02:26:05.720 will will get you no fame will garner you nothing but titles of cowardice so you should go and you

02:26:13.580 should seek and if you are ever betrayed by a coward uh in this sense you know and i really

02:26:20.700 think too like the way it's being framed is on the battlefield then it is better to send him 0.99

02:26:31.180 you know on that day thereafter send him to death let him pay for the price of his lies 0.51

02:26:36.700 it was a big thing for you to not be a coward it was a big thing for you to stand and say 0.89

02:26:45.660 i give my loyalty and i'll stand here you don't you're not uh wishy-washy and uh

02:26:54.380 back and forth like a blade of grass um

02:27:00.460 let's see

02:27:03.980 so now it starts to drip uh to move more into just wisdom um instead of runes but wisdom again learned

02:27:14.620 from the gods much like the how of them all this is imparting wisdom from the divine

02:27:23.180 a fourth i read thee if thou shalt find a wily witch on thy road this is perfect we were talking

02:27:31.100 about this a wily witch um and i'm looking to see what they use because they don't use the word

02:27:42.460 nornir they don't use uh uh let me

02:27:55.820 huh for data or uh when uh a wily witch upon thy road it is better to go 0.85

02:28:06.140 than her to be a guest or for her or to be a guest of hers a guest to be though night

02:28:12.860 enfold the fast if you find yourself in a place of desperation and you are seeking aid and you knowingly

02:28:25.420 take shelter in the house of an evil being an evil person an evil creature

02:28:35.500 um you are at fault it is better to press on into the night and go to a safer harbor

02:28:44.840 than to find yourself in in in a questionable place with a questionable person

02:28:52.120 um the wily witch um

02:28:57.000 27 eyes that see need the sons of men who fight in battles fierce

02:29:07.800 oft witches evil sit by the way who blade and courage blunt so here now we speak of

02:29:18.900 the usage of witchcraft again um where and this the the translation here is

02:29:27.720 uh bail working women often bail working women sit and blunt the blades of men and

02:29:42.960 blunt their courage so the usage of that magic the usage of uh the outside force you need to be

02:29:53.880 of keen sight i think ultimately though this means about looking out and seeing who's influencing

02:30:01.300 your enemies who's helping them you can't fight an enemy while the witch is off to the side

02:30:11.200 You cannot fight an enemy and have a milquetoast friend or someone who may be working against you, though, doesn't seem to be an overt threat right away.

02:30:28.240 28. Then fifth, I counsel, I read thee, thou maidens fair, thou seest on benches sitting. Let the silver of kinship not rob thee of sleep.

02:30:41.200 And the kisses of a woman beware.

02:30:44.340 Do not fall to your lusts and your desires of companionship.

02:30:56.320 That's, I mean, pretty clear.

02:30:58.340 And all of this stuff is kind of hitting back on what we were talking about in the beginning.

02:31:02.340 We were talking about the knighthood and the chivalric practice and the idea of not succumbing to, say, the loose woman or the easy woman.

02:31:16.220 And beware of witches that are doing evil.

02:31:22.720 I think it's very funny that we're kind of hitting all of those now.

02:31:26.020 um but yes beware of um you know any woman who throws her arms about your neck easily 0.94

02:31:34.540 um and the the silver of uh kinship the money between uh things bought off uh don't let it

02:31:47.720 rob thee of sleep don't stay up late at night trying to figure out if you're in essence making

02:31:54.140 someone angry or not i mean maybe this is something angled towards me like we were talking about

02:31:59.180 far too often i have a tendency to dance around it and be nice and lay breadcrumbs but sometimes

02:32:06.460 it's good to just not let the price uh bother you and say straight out that you're not dealing with

02:32:15.500 this um i hate i hate to say it but sometimes i it's funny be gone it's the whole i'm not dealing

02:32:25.020 with this right now don't don't worry about uh the offense and don't let that rob you of sleep

02:32:31.340 and don't let the arms of a loose woman wrap around your neck and make you lose your whole mind

02:32:36.540 uh then sixth i read the if men shall wrangle and ale talk rise to wrath so if men are hanging out

02:32:47.420 and they're drinking and there is a time of ill words no words with a drunken warrior have

02:32:56.960 for wine steals many a man's wits don't argue with your friend or with you know your compatriots

02:33:04.160 as you're drinking it is a bad situation to be in leave it and and don't take to heart

02:33:12.720 what is said but also don't reciprocate leave and that is very very clear here

02:33:21.520 so if ale talk rises to wrath uh in 30 it's a continuation brawls and ale full oft have been

02:33:30.640 and ill to many a man death for some and sorrow for some full many the woes of men

02:33:38.840 how often we get ourselves into our own troubles is what that's kind of referring to

02:33:47.940 the seventh i counsel to thee if battle thou seekest with a foe that is full of might

02:33:54.280 it is better to fight than to burn alive in the hall of a hero rich if you know that there's a

02:34:03.040 threat it is better to engage it than to sit back on your laurels and say well i've got

02:34:10.460 everything i need i'll be fine and the next thing you know you're waking up in your and your hall

02:34:17.280 is on fire this of course has real world implications in the time ale saga has numerous

02:34:26.880 hall burnings but i think this goes beyond that it's that even though you know that

02:34:36.480 your enemy is mighty uh if they are a problem at a distance it's better to go out and face them

02:34:43.520 than when they're a problem outside your door while you're asleep.

02:34:53.920 An eighth I read thee that evil thou shun, shun evil, and beware of lying words.

02:35:01.320 Take not a maid nor the wife of a man, nor lure them on to lust. 0.79

02:35:07.120 Don't sleep with your kinsmen's wives. 0.72

02:35:10.340 Don't seduce them. 0.91

02:35:13.520 So that's straightforward. But also, too, just it was deliberately named as illness, malice, illud. Evil is the translation, but illud. It is, you should shun this.

02:35:28.100 so do not partake in that um and do not lure them

02:35:36.340 uh then the ninth i i counsel thee burial render if thou findest a fallen corpse

02:35:49.280 of sickness dead or dead in the sea or dead of weapons and wounds all right i got two um

02:35:57.000 try to be as artful with this

02:36:01.420 as can be.

02:36:05.040 Gentlemen, you will

02:36:06.440 know what I'm saying.

02:36:13.980 There is a very powerful

02:36:16.820 urge that overtakes

02:36:21.440 people when they are offered

02:36:23.760 sexual dalliances with attractive ladies or for that matter when all of a sudden

02:36:32.900 women show you interest like they're very into you and they want to engage in uh in coitus with

02:36:42.120 you um but here's what i'm saying and again you see why i'm dancing around it there is a

02:36:51.160 overwhelming overriding instinct to go down that path and I think that we all are aware maybe of

02:37:02.080 experience when you do go down that path as soon as you reach the end of that path you very quickly

02:37:09.340 no longer have that overriding need to do those things and then all of a sudden you have a moment

02:37:16.700 of clarity where you realize mistakes that you've made, and you are filled with regrets

02:37:21.340 oftentimes. It is very easy to just say, don't do that. I think we all know that going in,

02:37:30.400 and many of us do that anyway. Heed the read here. Try to avoid doing that. There are a lot

02:37:42.600 of other options that are not married women, especially married women to people that you 0.67

02:37:50.780 have to deal with. Don't get involved in those entanglements. I think that is very obvious, 0.94

02:37:58.300 but as obvious as it is, you would be very, I don't know, we would all be very surprised

02:38:03.980 to know how truly often that happens and how poisonous that is to so many so many friendships

02:38:14.220 so many partnerships um so many families it is always shocking because there is some

02:38:27.100 some appeal and some spell that is cast to engage in it precisely because of how inappropriate

02:38:38.940 it might be don't do that um but i just want to mention that that is a thing that there

02:38:48.780 is a the overriding drive of that needs to be the clarity that comes after that should be considered

02:39:01.900 before and not after and i know that that's hard to do when other forces are driving you

02:39:10.540 but there is something and i've said this a number of times but i think this is a

02:39:14.460 really important point about arian nobility is choosing

02:39:21.980 not having your actions dictated to you not reacting to stimulus but pondering your course

02:39:31.980 and then you making a choice to engage or not to engage or if to engage in what way

02:39:39.100 there are times in life where you instinctively counterpunch and i get that but the goal

02:39:47.820 is to where you are not just counter punching you are able to see things coming and make wise

02:39:56.020 choices and here's the thing you can choose whatever you might want to do i don't endorse

02:40:02.320 all of your choices but stopping and choosing so you are not a victim of circumstance

02:40:08.280 dance, you have a will that leads you towards what you want or what you don't want. You're not

02:40:16.640 at the whim of, you know, outrageous fortune. You make choices and then you embrace the consequences

02:40:26.060 of the choices that you make for good or for ill. That is a key point in Aryan nobility and

02:40:32.040 some we should often be reminded of, all of us.

02:40:37.680 And she speaks about that at this point, you know, you should leave if not willing to make the choices to utilize these powers with willful intent.

02:40:50.260 And again, we see it all the time with people that make choices, but then turn around and say, oh, you know, I'm the victim of this circumstance.

02:41:03.100 And then they also get it wrong in their heads about fate and say, oh, well, if I'm fated to go down any path or what have you, then there really is no choice.

02:41:13.980 And that's not correct either. It is all about choice that creates the web.

02:41:20.260 And again, too, it also links back to what we were talking about before, biological versus moral.

02:41:30.320 There is a biological effect and a biological inclination, and what is ultimate is the knightly sense, if you will, is to make choices, but you must consider the moral.

02:41:46.560 And stopping to do that before acting, I think, is what makes knights knightly and what makes noble or nobility pertinent is those considerations.

02:42:03.560 considerations. The next part is interesting because it it's about burial and even to burial

02:42:13.660 of others. And most might think of, you know, say in a movie where they find the dead and they're

02:42:22.100 like, we've got to give these people a proper Christian burial or what have you. No, this

02:42:26.500 predates christianity and the concept is still the same uh that in in uh 33 i i counsel the

02:42:37.780 burial render if thou findest a fallen corpse of sickness dead or dead in the sea or dead of

02:42:44.840 weapon wounds bury them now it's also worth remembering because most people might be like

02:42:51.760 i thought the vakings burned their dead burial burning burial it actually shifted throughout

02:43:00.640 time but being in uh iceland in relation to context uh not a lot of wood to burn burn the

02:43:10.400 dead oftentimes they were placed in burial cairns of stone but still the care to take take care of

02:43:21.920 the dead is clear right here and i don't think a lot of people would naturally incline that if

02:43:29.680 they think that our ancestors were just shoulder pelt uh viking um barbarian face paint this is a

02:43:42.160 really important thing because people ask religiously if there's anything special about

02:43:48.320 also true treatment of dead and again so much is the thought that counts even if what you're doing

02:43:58.640 and what we suggest to do is cremation caring for the body matters our soul has many pieces

02:44:06.800 the leak is a part of that the body is a part of that soul complex

02:44:14.160 showing care to the dead by washing them combing their hair and clipping their nails is a

02:44:22.640 a symbol of the fact that we care and are taking an effort to treat things with reverence and

02:44:35.400 respect that matters and that counts um so much so that there's the um and i forget where in the

02:44:46.620 lore it's mentioned but um you know the the the hordes of mosfell sail to oscar they're on the

02:44:57.980 the like ship made out of the nails of the dead that nobody cared for there is a 0.77

02:45:07.500 like you are actively helping the forces of chaos by not doing these simple acts of caring

02:45:16.560 for our dead. And I think that that's poignant and something for us to remember that taking

02:45:25.620 care of the dead is a, is a sacred thing and remembering them and stuff. That's a sacred

02:45:32.500 thing. And I don't, again, Swan mentioned the like, oh, we've got to give them a Christian

02:45:37.760 burial. I think that's a white folks thing, not a Christian. And I wonder what that looks 0.86

02:45:44.160 like in different, the different rainbow of Christianity. That was always thought noble

02:45:54.000 of our people and that carried on into Christian times. But I wonder if that is a way that

02:46:01.280 Asian Christians or African Christians or Semitic Christians, I wonder if they have

02:46:10.580 that same taboo when they find things to give them a proper quote-unquote christian burial

02:46:16.740 and i'm not suggesting they don't maybe they do but i would be very curious about that because i

02:46:23.320 think that is inherently that is certain i don't think i know that that is something that pre-exists

02:46:29.340 christian times amongst our folk um so i'm i would be very curious but it's always been something

02:46:36.300 very important to our people is the handling of the dead and the reverence for them after

02:46:42.460 they've fallen as well like after the burial the celebration and remembrance of the dead

02:46:48.540 is something very special and very central to us yeah oftentimes you'll hear you know it's oh

02:46:57.500 christianity and its culture but it's like that sprinkling of the babe

02:47:01.020 we did that as well long before christianity the the the care of this the advisement of that care

02:47:09.540 to not let that happen to just let them rot um and and is express expressively being said

02:47:20.260 to sigurd who is a paragon of nobility and virtue in the the norse sense um really really important

02:47:30.180 And it also, of course, just lends into getting us a glimpse of practice of our ancestors.

02:47:39.120 Because in 34, she says, a bath shall thou give who corpses be.

02:47:44.980 So you wash them.

02:47:47.140 Hands and head shall be washed. 0.96

02:47:51.540 Wipe them and comb.

02:47:53.260 So, again, the usage of the comb and grooming to our ancestors was very, very, very important.

02:48:02.260 There they go into the coffin.

02:48:04.580 That was the one I was looking up because the translation of the word coffin.

02:48:09.120 But I was almost there.

02:48:12.080 And pray that they sleep in peace.

02:48:15.340 Now, that's another kind of blending towards the Draugr, the revenant.

02:48:22.740 The idea is that, you know, that they go from this place, that they find Nipah's cave, that they pass through that threshold and do not come back.

02:48:35.880 Then a tenth I counsel thee that never thou trust the word of the race of wolves.

02:48:42.200 Now, that might confuse people, but it's most likely poetic for, because remember, race is not the word, but it is the family of the wolves or the Varger.

02:48:58.940 and that when you look at it in the old north sense the the family of varger most likely is

02:49:06.700 opposing clans opposing um anyone you have a blood feud with or in a grander sense your enemies

02:49:16.940 just in general but that specific poetic wording of that is more likely lent to the you know the

02:49:24.700 family of the varger our varg dropa is your enemies uh if his brother thou broughtest to

02:49:35.660 death or his father thou didst fell often a wolf in a son there is though gold he gladly takes

02:49:46.220 so your actions against your enemies cannot be appeased later once you take your actions

02:49:53.100 you must commit to them being your enemy if you try to pay the were guilds they'll take it

02:50:00.800 but that doesn't mean uh that they consider that settled

02:50:07.700 uh battle and hate and harm methinks full seldom fall asleep wits and weapons the warrior needs

02:50:20.100 if boldest of men he would be you're never far away from danger so bear bear and carry your

02:50:29.260 weapons and be ever ready even though you may not be one of hate or of harm or you just must be ready

02:50:39.000 um for it in 37 then 11th i read thee that wrath thou shun and treachery false with thy friends

02:50:52.460 not long the leader's life shall be for great are the foes he faces

02:50:58.880 do not hold and begrudge and beat your kinsmen or your friends in anger and do not lie and be

02:51:11.880 treacherous and false and work in mass and nations of power you don't do that with your friends

02:51:17.180 and when your your life goes so swiftly you may need to call on them and you will find no one in

02:51:27.000 your corner if you act this way specifically the word not long the leader's life so the the leader

02:51:35.080 of course the jarl the the um atheling of of the anglo-saxon the the warband leader or

02:51:44.040 the one who is surrounded by his things do not fall to wrath and to cunning and um

02:51:53.420 And especially if it's not warranted, because when time comes for trouble, you may need backup and you'll find no one there because of your deeds.

02:52:05.380 then forth i counsel thee i read thee if thou shalt find a wily witch on the road

02:52:16.280 it is better to go than to her guest be though night enfold thee fast

02:52:23.600 so this is kind of funny we're kind of going back to the whole

02:52:28.140 witch statement um but in this case i think it's worth noting that the uh the witch if you will

02:52:37.800 is mentioned as a um one of ill ill working if you know that you have this feeling that there's

02:52:52.200 this person that is not good. Don't seek refuge from them. Do not seek refuge from someone

02:52:59.680 that has, you know, that is the case. Keep going. Even though the night's coming,

02:53:06.880 it's better to push into the night than be in the ensnarement or in the trap of 0.97

02:53:14.320 of a bolviser, a bale worker, is what the word is used. 0.80

02:53:20.720 It's translated to witch, but bale worker.

02:53:26.780 Again, same thing is reemphasized.

02:53:29.500 Eyes that see need the sons of men who fight in battle fierce.

02:53:34.480 Oft witches evil sit by the way who blade and courage blunt. 0.95

02:53:40.900 Now, you could read that in English and be like, all witches are bad. No, the translation is specifically bal visircona, bail working women who are on the side, working against you, and in essence, working for your enemy.

02:54:03.400 and they blunt your courage and they blunt your blade you must have eyes to see and I think that 0.95

02:54:11.360 this has more importance to don't only consider your enemies consider those that orbit them

02:54:18.120 consider those that maybe so sit the fence

02:54:23.140 haven't you already read this one

02:54:28.780 did i oh no i am i clicked the wrong thing see my camera is in the way as well

02:54:38.180 no you're good i think we finished out with stanza 37. ah okay yeah it doubled it was the

02:54:44.860 next thing to click on so it jumped me back but i thought we were going forward i was like yeah

02:54:49.140 I've read this.

02:54:51.740 Yes.

02:54:54.060 So, like we said at the outset, this is one that's got a lot of different bits and pieces that I think many of us have heard before, encountered before.

02:55:09.640 And I hope everybody has, you know, gotten something out of the context.

02:55:14.740 I know we've kind of taken some asides.

02:55:20.320 Do have some more questions in our private chat here that have built up.

02:55:28.820 Where do you guys think Frazehoff will be?

02:55:31.520 The northeast is a very vanic land.

02:55:34.740 So, I think Frazehoff will be in eastern Ohio or western Pennsylvania.

02:55:52.420 And I think that we will be able to tell you with much more exactitude relatively quickly.

02:55:59.200 But I think I would narrow my my expectations to to that chunk of chunk of real estate in either eastern Ohio or western Pennsylvania.

02:56:16.680 I'll tell you, what is your what is my favorite thing about Baldershof and Freyfax?

02:56:29.200 That's, I don't know if that's a fair question.

02:56:34.500 There are, I overanalyze and you guys don't want to sit with dead air for, I don't know,

02:56:42.520 30 minutes while I ponder out, which is my absolute favorite.

02:56:46.840 Some of my most favorite things.

02:56:54.220 So about the experience of Freyfaxi.

02:56:59.200 And one of the things that I haven't experienced the same way in a couple of years, but it's always something I really look forward to.

02:57:09.400 Jason Gallagher, our longtime folk builder up there, is going to pick me up from the airport and I believe give me a ride out to the Hoff.

02:57:18.140 Getting to getting to spend a little bit of time with Jason is always something I really look forward to.

02:57:22.440 he's been my friend for a lot of years um i look forward to him picking me up and believe it or

02:57:29.320 not i look forward to taking a ride with him um so i look forward to that that's a fun fun thing

02:57:34.680 that i always look forward to um i mean all of our hops are awesome so trying to think of something

02:57:42.520 that stand out uh there's a lot there there's a and i think you get this to a degree at all of

02:57:54.440 our house but in a really special way being alone in the vay at baldur's hof is really special

02:58:02.840 it's a very nice spot and it has a powerful a powerful feel to to being there in that space

02:58:15.400 that i look forward to something else it's one of my favorite things

02:58:21.320 and you gotta hit this just right but you know there's a there's

02:58:25.640 noise ordinances and things in town we try to wrap up there relatively early but

02:58:32.840 After dark, when the lights are on in the bay and the fire is burning and the lights are on on Baldur's mural, there's these really beautiful, colorful stained glass windows there.

02:58:51.420 and if you walk directly out the front door and out to the road you can look in and you can see

02:59:00.060 the light coming out the stained glass windows and you can see the darkness all around and the

02:59:07.420 trees and stuff but you see this kind of corridor of light going straight through the middle

02:59:13.720 through the flame and then up to to balder's mural and it's a really

02:59:20.140 really beautiful scene and it's really pretty in a way that you don't quite get the same at

02:59:28.440 any of the other hoffs and that's certainly one of my favorite things there um not sure

02:59:36.380 the accommodations something else that's always fun there is the the hot tub sumble after party

02:59:41.800 deal when you know we have to go back to the hotels that uh or the motel rather that folks

02:59:47.080 are staying at um getting to get to spend time with folk there is always a a fun time and a nice

02:59:53.640 thing to do i look forward to it you know i it's it's hard because i look forward to all these

02:59:59.880 things every year. They're all very special. I look forward to seeing different people at each

03:00:13.200 of these places. I've made really good friends and folks that I consider family at all of these

03:00:17.920 spots. So it's really nice to get to see them and to check in with them and see, you know,

03:00:24.780 how stuff's different you know what improvements have been made on things where things are at but

03:00:30.620 checking back in with that is is really special it's pretty and i hope everybody can make their

03:00:36.640 way to the hof it's a special labor of love that place it's beautiful all of our hofs are beautiful

03:00:46.140 but that hof started out in such a dilapidated condition when we got it and all of the effort

03:00:53.100 that our folk have put into taking care of it and making it amazing is you just feel it when

03:01:02.380 you're there so i look forward to that um let me find where we're at there there's a couple questions

03:01:16.220 we already asked uh why does dragon's blood specifically give wisdom and speech svan why

03:01:28.160 does fathnir's blood have magic powers uh 100 i the what the dragon symbolizes is a hoarder of

03:01:40.840 of knowledge a hoarder of treasure all of that is uh again attaining that the dragon and what

03:01:51.780 it represents as a guardian of that which is unattainable and then to attain it

03:01:58.160 and by drinking its blood by doing that you you pass through the threshold of no longer

03:02:06.120 having no access to that built-up power, that built-up might, riches, wisdom. I mean, I think

03:02:17.740 it's, you know, pretty straightforward how it plays out in the fantastical and in the story

03:02:27.560 and why it's so good and uh just cool well why why it's very uh good in storytelling but the

03:02:38.300 mythos of it i think is the deeper point is the attainment of the unattainable the conquering

03:02:46.820 the passing through the threshold

03:02:48.700 yeah all the stuff swan said i want to add to it but i don't really know a different way other than

03:03:05.740 that dragons and this wasn't just like a kind of dragon this was a massive dragon that was

03:03:14.140 feared throughout

03:03:17.700 the land

03:03:19.400 drinking in something

03:03:25.780 of the essence of this dragon

03:03:27.740 in its life's blood

03:03:29.300 is

03:03:30.700 as we talked about

03:03:37.620 kind of when we were going over it in the story

03:03:39.520 and I think while we've gone over some of these poems

03:03:41.500 they were something

03:03:43.840 other like the three brothers were kind of people but also supernatural people that exist

03:03:52.260 in a special magical golden age time where you know one of the brothers over time turns into

03:04:00.280 this dragon as he sits on this treasure hoard and he is a storehouse like his his existence

03:04:11.120 is the hoarding of things he hoards treasure and stuff you know that's one of the things

03:04:19.480 the dragons sit on a hoard of treasure and they keep the wealth of the land

03:04:23.860 hemmed up and pinned up and away from the use of everyone and just store it and

03:04:32.120 become obsessed with it but they also store up arcane wisdom and knowledge of the ancients

03:04:42.040 and magic and spellcraft and these things drinking in some of the essence of this

03:04:50.700 magical creature that's been slain

03:04:55.220 is transcendent and takes you outside the realm of mortal humanity and for a moment you

03:05:06.120 feast upon something otherworldly and are transmuted into something more than you are into

03:05:14.780 something with a

03:05:17.040 an otherworldly

03:05:21.440 boost that you wouldn't

03:05:23.460 get otherwise. I think that's

03:05:25.600 part of it. But I also

03:05:27.480 think the slaying of the dragon was

03:05:29.520 the

03:05:30.080 pinnacle

03:05:33.520 of the hero's journey

03:05:35.640 of him

03:05:36.440 becoming

03:05:39.400 his maximum self.

03:05:42.720 And that was part

03:05:43.520 this so like one of the you know as we read when we read um uh

03:05:57.440 the rigs thula there's this progression of

03:06:03.200 perfecting mankind through this process. And at the end, when, you know, Jarl evolves into the

03:06:14.340 young king, the actualization is understanding of runes, understanding of magic, understanding

03:06:23.060 the speech of birds, which we see as part of this. So having this victory over this

03:06:31.980 ultimate foe and then drinking of the essence of that victory and of the blood of his enemy

03:06:39.080 in that way gave him that last piece of becoming and of his noble potential by knowing these

03:06:47.760 things, and I think that's all part of it. So our next question, gods adapt and change, but their

03:06:55.720 ultimate destinies are fixed. Odin, for example, is constantly seeking wisdom, sacrificing an eye,

03:07:02.240 hanging on Yggdrasil, learning sailor. If the gods are fated, how does that affect our own choices?

03:07:11.080 how do we meet our weird spawn well two things one uh the difference between them and us is that

03:07:22.680 knowing um but it's worth to put it into context how our ancestors viewed this situation it wasn't

03:07:32.340 that we were completely destined no matter what we did um in s or or that it that it became futile

03:07:42.500 no that's why the deeds are being done that's why lord odin is doing all of these things in essence

03:07:50.580 remember that the future scald means debt or that which is owed but in reality what we're seeing is

03:08:00.260 this is where all the roads lead to inevitably. It's just a matter of when. So it's not about

03:08:13.160 this set kind of thing. It's the end of the cycle. Being a god and knowing the end of the cycle

03:08:23.560 is the power of being a god and also to kind of the lament we don't know what all of our deeds

03:08:33.100 in our life will ultimately accumulate to in the end or how it will for our deeds will affect

03:08:40.560 others um we must make choices we must move forward but the gods know of the

03:08:48.380 the the culmination of but yet still lord othen goes he doesn't give up he doesn't check out

03:08:59.200 he moves to save the holy gods he he utilizes them and humanity the folk in staving it off

03:09:13.600 because the inevitable or knowing where all load all the roads lead doesn't indicate

03:09:21.280 when and how and if there is a way to change it to shift it and i'm speaking in a in a very

03:09:30.320 literal sense i would say from an alleg allegoric point it is important that the gods have

03:09:39.200 adversity our gods are not um you know just in that sense of ridiculousness where it's

03:09:49.200 omnipotent and created all things and uh but only the good stuff and the bad stuff

03:09:55.600 created that too but had no part in it or it's uh it doesn't work within the understanding if

03:10:06.320 the material world if the middle world reflects the divine that doesn't make any sense

03:10:14.000 but the adversity all the roads leading there and the will and the drive despite the outcome

03:10:23.440 or not is to try to do and i think that's really important of a lesson

03:10:31.680 no no doom no darkening there is only action or inaction

03:10:40.400 so i think that we get bogged down in conceptions of fadedness it's important that we see

03:10:56.280 trends in Orlok and that we see

03:11:01.520 where things are headed so we can

03:11:05.440 try to change course or try

03:11:09.600 to affect the world that we're involved

03:11:13.520 in. Things being

03:11:17.800 predestined in a fixed sense

03:11:20.340 doesn't make a lot of sense in reality,

03:11:24.420 especially when you carry that to its natural conclusion so what we have in in our faith much

03:11:32.540 more is the projected reality we have should not will happen but should happen and as long

03:11:40.600 as that's the case there's the possibility of of overcoming and having you know

03:11:46.280 being able to conquer great odds doesn't always work but it does sometimes work

03:11:53.640 And knowing things are coming, part of the magic of what the gods seek is understanding the future so that they can make the best of the circumstances and they can defeat things if they can.

03:12:06.940 in our lives, very few things are unalterable. And even the things that are relatively fixed

03:12:17.480 are things that we can shift and maneuver one way or another or choose how we meet them.

03:12:25.540 Exercising choice. And one of the most heroic things for us to do in life is even when odds

03:12:33.580 are very, you know, unfavorable, to still do the heroic thing and stand against overwhelming odds

03:12:43.240 is a transcendent act, even if it doesn't, you know, escape a fate that you've been destined for.

03:12:52.440 So facing your circumstances with heroism provides you the opportunity for

03:12:59.360 making the best chances for victory, but it also is heroic in and of itself.

03:13:08.380 And I've said this before, one of the most heroic things is when you come into the world with a

03:13:13.420 poor hand that's been dealt you, you playing that hand to the best of your ability and

03:13:21.860 beating the odds on the hand that you're dealt is heroic in and of itself, much more so than

03:13:29.100 somebody who is, you know, dealt an overwhelming hand and carries it through to its natural

03:13:34.020 conclusion, you being able to snatch a degree of victory from Jaws of Defeat is in and of

03:13:44.220 itself transcendent and gains great fame and acclaim and sets example and is noticed by

03:13:53.660 friends by foes more importantly by the gods

03:14:02.700 Matt is the shirt and tie have does shirt and tie have a meaning the

03:14:09.660 particular ones I'm wearing right now or in general I cycle through my shirts

03:14:17.820 this particular shirt was the one that came up for today if I if I don't I'll

03:14:23.360 get stuck in a rut wearing the same few that i like or whatever so i kind of cycle through

03:14:28.560 uh it's hot out it's you know still hot out here in reno so it's a short sleeve uh button up and

03:14:34.160 i like it based on the fact that he asked a bunch of other questions i think he probably meant

03:14:41.360 why are you wearing a tie and shirt sure okay so i will i will answer that after i answer this

03:14:47.600 we're reading the Sigurdrifa Mall and Sigurdrifa is a Valkyrie so I chose to wear a

03:14:57.920 pretty tie I think that you know lavender with paisleys is pretty and it's one of the things

03:15:08.840 that I wear in springtime but I also sometimes will wear this if I'm trying to honor a goddess

03:15:17.180 or a female ancestor so yeah i thought it was a a nice way to i don't know make a subtle nod to

03:15:26.360 the subject of of the poem that we're reading tonight why do we wear a shirt and tie because

03:15:31.380 we are white people practicing a sincere faith there's stuff you do when you when you are serious

03:15:38.040 about what you're doing i'm representing the house true folk assembly and i am representing

03:15:43.220 Ausatru, so I want to look nice when I'm doing this and treat it seriously. There is a very

03:15:49.920 different reaction that all of us have when somebody is looking like a slob or looking 0.92

03:15:54.860 super casual versus when somebody is wearing a nice shirt and a tie or when somebody is dressed 0.50

03:16:02.200 in an elevated way for the occasion. It's the same reason you dress up when you go to a formal

03:16:09.440 event. It's the same reason our people have always dressed up when they've gone to worship. It's the

03:16:15.180 reason that you, you know, wear nice clothes when you go to a wedding or a funeral or church or

03:16:22.240 something formal or court or any of the things that you take very seriously or a job interview

03:16:28.540 for that matter. You want to present your best self. And right now I'm not, you know, just Matt

03:16:36.500 the dude. I am

03:16:37.900 the Altaria Gauthier of the Altru Folk

03:16:40.340 Assembly, and I'd like to present myself

03:16:42.440 in a way that's

03:16:44.020 best representing

03:16:45.880 the AFA and our gods.

03:16:52.720 Are you for peace?

03:16:55.320 Oh, no, never mind.

03:16:56.320 Before that, well, okay, sure, we'll get that, and then

03:16:58.320 there's one before that. Are you for

03:17:00.360 peace?

03:17:05.540 Svan, are you

03:17:06.380 for peace with our allies sure for the if you are against us no no i am i uh that's the short order

03:17:21.660 kind of word for it but uh to to to have peace with your with those who give you peace that's

03:17:36.220 something that i think every people should strive for um and a lot of times it's a loaded question

03:17:44.940 are you for peace is another way of saying are you antagonistic are you going to

03:17:54.140 attack or something that's the thing is there's no necessity unless there is a necessity to attack

03:18:03.100 peace is the uh the peak especially when you consider inner guard and outer guard

03:18:11.740 inner guard yes absolutely we want to seek peace between our kinfolk

03:18:16.140 and to not abide by strife the outer guard if they're not

03:18:23.100 hurting attacking actively aggressing then yes peace is good peace can be helpful

03:18:31.260 it's hard because context is everything um if peace is the main goal then

03:18:41.540 you compromise on your core values and you you know submit to bad things that you ought not

03:18:50.320 submit to and so i don't think peace is like an unlimited good by any means um

03:18:56.960 I think that peace in context is good I think that a peace on our terms is good

03:19:12.200 but I think that if you see peace as a lack of struggle I think we always want to

03:19:19.000 we always want to have things to accomplish things to do things to achieve

03:19:30.360 and if peace is an absence of that we don't want that

03:19:35.080 whereas peace is us figuring out a way for our folk to best thrive in their environment without

03:19:46.460 the hardships of war, certainly we want that. We would like to, but the nature of the existence

03:19:53.220 that we live in, that doesn't exist. There's always something to overcome or to work against

03:19:59.420 as far as peace, as opposed to, you know, warfare. I think sometimes that's why you do battle is to

03:20:07.660 ensure peace for your loved ones or those who come after you. So I think a peace through strength

03:20:14.860 and a peace by, you know, I don't know, enforced Ausitru Imperium is cool.

03:20:25.040 But I don't just think as a general statement, I don't think peace is a standalone value.

03:20:32.460 I think the terms of the peace is what matters tremendously.

03:20:37.980 Another question by the same person, what is Odinism?

03:20:42.080 depends who you ask and when you ask it um

03:20:47.600 in a that runs the gamut uh odinism

03:20:55.920 it's hard because odinism either is like 1980s version of alsa true or like skinhead prison

03:21:09.600 Ausatru or Odinism is regular Ausatru just by another name that people call it it's very seldom

03:21:19.200 a singular devotion to the Alpha it is usually just an alternate name for Ausatru that people who

03:21:29.440 don't want to conform to Ausatru call themselves and that wasn't always the case in the 60s and

03:21:37.920 70s i think that it was another name for our faith that was vying for you know that could have

03:21:48.560 easily gone that way um but i think since 2000 or so it is a way to define a

03:22:00.080 you know like i said a more

03:22:01.840 1980s biker skinheady prison-y version of alsatru and i don't mean to insult anybody out there by

03:22:12.160 doing that i'm just trying to answer the question the most honestly that i can but i again i don't

03:22:17.840 think it exists outside of that context with a different value i think there's some people that

03:22:23.360 genuinely don't know any better that would call you know that would just use odinism to define

03:22:29.120 what we're doing i think in that sense that's fine it's not a it's not a bad word or a bad thing it

03:22:34.640 just tends to have those implications to it swan can you explain the tattoos on your arms

03:22:43.920 no no yeah i can just word to the wise guys if you cannot explain your tattoos you should not get

03:22:50.720 them right that's a that's a key sign that you've gone in a wrong direction um no i uh i have

03:23:01.280 when i was in boot camp in the marine corps i had the blessing of um having a third hat

03:23:10.400 which is the very angry drill instructor um who was also a devout um

03:23:19.440 uh subsect of judaism i don't know what type of christian but he was very very uh gung-ho if you

03:23:29.040 will and he uh would quote revelations while punishing us in physical exercise

03:23:38.000 and it wasn't long before he found out that i wasn't going to church on sundays um and uh

03:23:47.680 it he's he asked me are you a heathen are you a heathen which is another reason why i don't

03:23:53.680 particularly like the word at the time i thought it was more about it was the novelty of it so i

03:24:00.320 got the word heathen tattooed on my arm um but it was absolutely uh something thrown uh

03:24:12.720 as an insult because that was um a word that christians utilized in for their bible to mean

03:24:22.960 non-christian or really non-Jew, like Gentiles, and then they needed to classify something as

03:24:31.200 outside of Gentiles. But I ended up getting the extra, it simply says Ausatru and Alugad,

03:24:44.340 um in of course in reference to lord odin and then i have a runic futhark um in particular

03:24:52.860 on my arm all of these were were mapped out and drawn by me as well um on the other side i

03:25:00.920 I have a raven, a very basic raven. I also have the Gadsden flag, don't tread on me. And that was

03:25:17.400 particularly about, I was in the Marine Corps during 9-11. And it was kind of a thing that

03:25:25.860 a group of us did and uh lastly is my 0311 uh which is the mark of for the infantry of the

03:25:37.220 Marine Corps so yeah that's about it there you go any Italian background in OUSA troop

03:25:48.180 sure we let italians in um yeah i think it's an interesting question um

03:26:00.360 the astro folk assembly is pan-arian obviously our expression of our faith is done in a norse

03:26:11.300 context because that's where the majority of our lore takes its most full shape and has come down

03:26:18.500 to us and it's under those uh those names and that terminology that our faith was refounded and

03:26:26.500 reforged by our founder so these are the gods of our race these gods made us and shaped us

03:26:41.300 these gods are not locked in a viking aesthetic or a viking time period the viking age

03:26:52.540 is like 700s to 1000 in scandinavia our gods exist from the very dawn of our folk

03:27:04.440 until now and infinitely into the future so we know that our people have migrated

03:27:14.680 and moved in different ways over time it wouldn't make any sense that you know our gods magically

03:27:24.020 spring forth when somebody finds themselves in Norway they were the gods of our ancestors

03:27:30.160 when those Norwegians were in continental Germany.

03:27:34.720 They were the gods of those ancestors

03:27:38.120 when those ancestors moved into Germany

03:27:40.560 from further to the east, from the Caucasus,

03:27:43.960 from the receding glaciers.

03:27:47.940 So they're the ancestors of our race of people,

03:27:52.500 and that doesn't change when our people go over a mountain range

03:27:56.420 or into a different valley, or when linguistics end up changing.

03:28:02.180 These are the gods of our folk since the very earliest time that our people existed,

03:28:06.740 and they are the gods of our folk now, which includes, you know, white Italian people.

03:28:13.660 Again, not refugees that find themselves in Italy, but ethnic Italians.

03:28:19.440 well um it's like people that think that

03:28:26.320 woden of england and and the word wednesday are somehow not the same as lord odin i was

03:28:34.160 actually going to bring that up when we're talking about dragons because the w dropped off

03:28:38.640 in the word orm but it survives in english as the word worm and um but to say that

03:28:47.520 somehow when the word changes that makes the god different is is wild it's just i think people get

03:28:55.440 caught up in the idea that because we're using the germanic or a specific germanic language

03:29:05.200 names and we're doing that we've you've spoken about that before continuity was the last stepping

03:29:10.960 spot uh before our ancestors again the separation so we you know continue on from there but

03:29:23.440 these the gods these are our names for them the gods have been eternal they have been since we

03:29:33.040 be. They made us, so. Are you for tolerance? Quakers believe in tolerance for different

03:29:44.200 views and beliefs. So, and these are more questions from Bob. He has a number of these

03:29:56.920 kind of questions again it it depends the terms as long as there's not conflict with us and what

03:30:09.640 we're trying to do certainly um we absolutely realize that our faith is for our race of people

03:30:21.560 and that other races of people have different faiths and whereas those don't

03:30:30.520 like come in conflict with us and our goals and the things that we are trying to do

03:30:37.000 certainly we tolerate that um in a realistic sense in the world that we live in

03:30:44.120 we do practice tolerance of course there's many different people with all kind of different

03:30:49.000 backgrounds and face and things and we're not in a spot where

03:30:55.880 that's not like that's the the viable and and reasonable option where we're at most of our

03:31:03.720 parents were not also true uh so yeah we we realize that where the world is at

03:31:10.840 and certainly we are tolerant of other people's

03:31:13.720 views and opinions whereas those don't conflict with our core values or represent a danger to

03:31:21.560 us or to our future or to our children but those are a lot of ifs so tolerance really

03:31:29.460 depends on the situation tolerance in and of itself is not a virtue we do not tolerate evil

03:31:37.940 things we do not tolerate those that would harm us or would harm our children or would you know

03:31:46.000 spit in the face of things that we find honorable and good so no i'm not in a blanket way for

03:31:54.360 tolerance yes generally i try to be tolerant of other sincere faiths and good-hearted people

03:32:02.460 but that's again very nuanced spawn do you have anything to add about tolerance

03:32:07.680 No, I think you said everything. It's just, it's a vague word. And sometimes when people ask things like this, it's the loaded zeitgeist around the word. It would be like, do you support vigilantism?

03:32:25.360 and we know that that's a very subjective thing uh people have been celebrating

03:32:32.840 luigi mangioni for the last couple months um is you know is he a criminal or is he a vigilante

03:32:42.720 again the celebration of um i forgot that non-folk kid's name that killed the folk boy

03:32:52.140 at the track meet um but again this it's a subjective word that can be twisted or or

03:33:03.000 layered on and and i think it's worth that's why i was kind of like saying

03:33:10.360 within our circles yes outside of our circles it depends

03:33:14.960 yeah it's that's so and it's kind of like okay so the other two questions that bob asked are

03:33:24.840 interesting are you non-violent

03:33:27.440 so is he a federal agent what's going on no but here's but so here's the thing um

03:33:35.940 we don't define ourselves by what we're against or by what we aren't we define ourselves by what

03:33:46.260 we are and what we're for and by default that pits us against things that are contradictory to that

03:33:55.740 but that's not the proactive definition so are we non-violent no but violence is a tool

03:34:03.840 violence has a place and I think that the place for violence is relatively rare I don't find

03:34:18.900 it appropriate even even if there were no legal constraints there's not like daily appropriate

03:34:25.860 use of violence all of the time violence is a is a something to be used sparingly

03:34:31.920 regard in in the most wide open legal situation violence is something to be used sparingly and

03:34:42.080 isn't virtuous in itself it's virtuous when it advances righteousness and nobility or when it

03:34:52.260 opposes villainy or opposes um the enemies of our folk and our families so

03:35:03.060 violence is a tool we are law-abiding and we are measured in our use of any and all of our tools

03:35:13.220 um it's fun do you have anything to add on that no i mean the probing questions are interesting but

03:35:26.180 yeah i think that's another big thing that's that needs to be considered is that we're

03:35:30.660 we are motivated entirely from that which we love and actually we go through great

03:35:38.340 It strives of dealing with people who come into the faith from that which they hate or

03:35:45.660 that which they, it comes from a negative place and it's very hard for them to uncondition

03:35:52.920 themselves.

03:35:54.380 They are entirely built in that.

03:35:57.100 And I think that when we build from a place of love, it requires more of us.

03:36:01.880 It requires us to be noble, to help each other, even to help strangers sometimes.

03:36:09.200 It's something I think that a lot of folks struggle with.

03:36:14.240 It's just easier to be from a dark place and a place of hatred.

03:36:22.280 Instead, we take great care in focusing on building and coming from a place of that which we love.

03:36:30.180 And anything that threatens that, of course, is antithetical to us, but people desperately try to equate one to the other.

03:36:40.340 So, yeah, it's really popular now to just pick tools or emotions and label them good or bad, but they're not.

03:36:50.120 They're situational.

03:36:54.500 Yeah.

03:36:55.140 also from bob you are anti-gay question mark yes well okay so again and i don't want to be

03:37:09.380 unequivocal yes we are anti-gay but i would never like introduce myself as anti-gay because

03:37:18.420 we're not anti-gay

03:37:21.700 again we're not in the habit of defining ourselves by the things that we are against

03:37:31.400 the reason that i would

03:37:36.700 we find ourselves anti-things because of a variety of situations a reason i don't think

03:37:45.600 it applies here. We are absolutely anti-gay because gayness is a danger. It is a dangerous 1.00

03:37:56.380 mental illness that is predatory towards children. We are certainly anti that because it is

03:38:07.080 it is evil and bad, even if everyone who finds themselves afflicted by it may not be evil

03:38:19.560 intentioned. The thing is, and it is a very dangerous mental illness. We are pro-health

03:38:28.540 and it is a deep and dangerous unhealth.

03:38:35.080 So we do stand in opposition to things that are malignant and not healthy.

03:38:41.560 And it is those things in a very big way.

03:38:48.320 We are pro-healthy families and healthy sexual expression. 1.00

03:38:54.920 we are pro-good health, and we are pro-virtue, gayness is the antithesis of all of those 0.98

03:39:07.120 things, so yes, certainly in effect we are anti-gay, but again, we don't define ourselves 0.90

03:39:16.340 by how anti-other things we are, but by how pro-things we are, but we are pro-health and

03:39:24.720 mental wellness, we are pro our children having a bright future, and we are pro gender expressed 0.70

03:39:32.640 through masculine men and feminine women, that makes us by default anti-gay. And in this world 0.96

03:39:40.500 that we live in, it's really important that I'm unequivocal. We do stand absolutely against the

03:39:45.060 lgbtq uh mental derangement that is so damaging in the world that we live in at present 0.50

03:39:55.860 and i talked about before the moral standpoint versus biological where uh the the gentleman

03:40:06.260 uh i don't know what he's trying to say he is but the gentleman that hung that giant flag said

03:40:12.820 we see it in the species all the time from a biological standpoint that never happens unless

03:40:19.220 the op the optimal situation in nature is not achieved there is great losses or

03:40:26.900 food or great displacement you may you will always see some of that deviation so we are pro

03:40:33.780 optimization of our people and the best way to optimize the best way for us to be strong

03:40:41.460 survive have many children and grow and be better that's our optimal and we're not going to do

03:40:50.740 something that only happens when things are not optimal when things are deeply off so that's i

03:40:57.940 mean that's something to consider and if that's if that's the biological argument the moral argument

03:41:02.900 is still the same it's just you know the the uh connectivity of uh man and woman moving forward

03:41:14.100 and that there is something to be said as i was here ago they said of the health of someone's

03:41:20.340 mental well-being if they are um convinced in their mind that they are a woman even though

03:41:30.340 they're a man or that they are convinced that they love certain people uh despite it

03:41:39.140 being absolutely contrary contrary to the the wellness of the self and the community

03:41:46.020 that's a whole nother subject but and it's let's let's not pretend people want to pick the like

03:41:51.780 rare examples of this not being the case or whatever no it is it is a rejection of

03:42:02.820 the beautiful and god-ordained virtues of gender and a like

03:42:13.220 literally a perversion of those in every sense of the world of the word and it is in hair it is a 0.76

03:42:20.660 dangerous mental illness it predates on children but everybody's like oh what about the super 0.74

03:42:26.500 masculine gay guy that's largely a myth when the rave happens and the glow sticks come out 0.92

03:42:36.020 that guy becomes real gay and i think that you know reality justifies

03:42:43.540 that assumption and has since the beginning it's important and i do want to be unequivocal that's 0.97

03:42:49.380 bad and we reject it in total and want to keep that far away from us and our families

03:42:54.900 our ancestors felt it so objectionable that other forms of criminality execution was public there

03:43:03.380 was hanging there was things that in particular was stomped into bogs because our people didn't

03:43:08.580 even want to be reminded that it existed it was so disgusting and abhorrent and unnatural so yes

03:43:15.700 we were very opposed to that um what are your thoughts on the return to the land group do you

03:43:22.900 think the afa can work with them um i really like what they're trying to do i think that's awesome

03:43:29.140 uh i yeah i support their efforts i absolutely think that you know there's probably cases where

03:43:38.180 the afa can work with them and they can work with us and you know i i would certainly welcome that

03:43:44.260 if they wanted to work with us in some way. Sivan, do you have anything to add on that?

03:43:49.460 Yeah, and I think this applies to just anybody like them in general. And I was speaking about

03:43:56.500 this to that young man who is considering joining, is that from a secular sense, absolutely. 0.99

03:44:07.540 but we would encourage them to alleviate themselves of the foreign faith take on the

03:44:14.180 faith of their ancestors so that their spirituality and the physical deeds that they're doing can

03:44:20.340 conjoin because there is a lot of mental hoops a lot of dissonance that i see in in this day and age

03:44:30.980 in which people are saying and doing one thing but then immediately turn around and somehow jump

03:44:38.100 through the hoops to make uh christianity not judaic and even down to the point of changing

03:44:45.780 the definition of the word judaic um just so that they can squeeze by the uh the mashia which is a

03:44:54.740 again a judaic concept it's not a it's the the the messiah is not a european or arian or it's

03:45:04.980 that's not us at all and they desperately tried to squeak that around and make these

03:45:11.700 big fanciful stories and uh the real ones left to scythia and then they hung out in europe

03:45:20.180 until they you know till charlemagne i guess or some crazy stuff they just the desperation is

03:45:26.340 there and anybody who takes a cursory glance at christianity realizes its origin its language

03:45:34.740 its concepts its precepts all of that are not of our folk let's have a different folk and

03:45:41.940 and they will try to utilize oh remember these people uh killed our messiah and it's like it

03:45:50.840 kills me because it's like you're fighting over a messiah and the very concept itself is not of

03:45:58.000 your folk or they're in the synagogue of satan without ever realizing that they're advocating 1.00

03:46:04.360 for being in the synagogue of yahweh it's like you both are like do you realize that stupid you 0.99

03:46:10.840 sound right now but what i'm getting at is i think that from a spiritual sense it would greatly 0.98

03:46:17.640 benefit these people um to embrace the faith of alsa through um i think that it would create a

03:46:28.880 lineage um for their their children to understand this isn't about politics this isn't about the

03:46:37.120 those kind of grinding details are built on on hatred no they're trying to establish their future

03:46:43.280 with safety and security and they're they need to know that there's a greater purpose for it

03:46:50.560 it's not just they're one generation and done so i would encourage them and everyone who is folk

03:46:59.480 to join our faith to join our church absolutely yeah so a couple of bits and bobs here i meant

03:47:08.080 to say this earlier when there was some talk of it over in the chat room human slayer

03:47:13.040 i don't think that's the name that your parents gave you and so i'm really bad that i don't know

03:47:20.400 everybody's name and their handle on here just putting it out there because you mentioned

03:47:26.280 Fayetteville I don't know if you were an AFA member or not he is but he is okay never mind

03:47:33.960 so Nick has confirmed I asked Nick earlier and Nick said he didn't know who he is you just didn't

03:47:38.660 I've been I've been set up for failure by our producer this is a scandal anyways cool you're

03:47:45.200 an AFA member, I hope that you go to Thorshoff

03:47:47.100 regularly. Anybody who doesn't

03:47:49.380 know, Thorshoff is in

03:47:51.080 Linden, North Carolina, which is about

03:47:52.840 30 miles from Fayetteville.

03:47:56.000 But sounds like

03:47:57.180 Nick has that taken care of. It sounds like

03:47:59.180 Human Slayer, you are a member.

03:48:01.200 I will look at my messages and

03:48:03.120 see who you are, but cool.

03:48:08.060 Hamowitz bought

03:48:09.100 us a coffee. Hail

03:48:11.020 the AFA, a humble offering

03:48:12.780 to Frayer. Thank you very much for that.

03:48:15.200 um any thoughts on the Norena Society rejecting the term Alcetru and changing the name of the

03:48:23.720 religion to f f foreignam seeth uh I've never heard this term until they started using it

03:48:31.220 that's because they made it up um and again people

03:48:37.100 people make up stuff that's not I'm not even criticizing innovation

03:48:41.180 um i mentioned this kind of earlier in the show

03:48:46.340 they're silly everyone wants to be a special snowflake and every new person or kindred that

03:48:59.160 gets a couple of people wants to come up with a different name for the different thing they're 0.99

03:49:04.100 doing and be disunified tearing everything down to yours yep and everything and then cool

03:49:10.980 So Norena Society starts at year one, whenever they start. And then when people break off from them, again, year one. That is a recipe for failure all of the time.

03:49:23.920 i think it is literally that it is snowflakes wanting to come up with their own branding for

03:49:34.820 their own thing so that mark purrier can be the king of his 20 dudes in mom's basements across

03:49:43.480 wherever they are rather than being part of something that's working i understand i'm sitting

03:49:52.440 in the big chair as the head of the austin true folk assembly i get that i have believed this is

03:49:58.600 matter of fact why i joined the afa when i was literally nobody special i was just a member who

03:50:04.920 joined in alaska but i joined specifically to not be one of the other you know dozens of startup

03:50:13.960 groups that wanted to change what we're calling ourselves and do our own thing i literally told

03:50:20.840 the gentleman who wanted to start something with me,

03:50:25.360 hey, guys, why don't we just be part of the AFA

03:50:29.300 who are already doing this and have been for many years?

03:50:34.300 That's what we should put our energy towards.

03:50:37.160 And so I joined.

03:50:38.660 Yes, I've been greatly blessed and found myself where I'm at.

03:50:43.940 And I have asked Mark Puryear, who is the head of the Norana Society,

03:50:49.380 to join the Astro Folk Assembly.

03:50:51.880 I've invited him to do that.

03:50:53.400 That invitation is still good.

03:50:55.140 I would love it if he joined us.

03:50:56.840 I'll say this, and I feel the need to say this

03:50:58.880 because I'm very critical of the Norena Society.

03:51:01.620 I really like Mark.

03:51:03.600 Mark's a good guy.

03:51:04.680 I've met him on a number of occasions.

03:51:06.700 I've talked to him many times.

03:51:08.720 I like Mark a lot, and I do think that Mark is a good man.

03:51:14.500 I wish that he would understand that what he is doing

03:51:17.800 and takes away from what we're trying to do instead of adds to it. 1.00

03:51:22.460 And I wish you would get on the team and come home to the Astro Folk Assembly.

03:51:27.220 I wish that those members of the Narana Society who genuinely believe in our gods

03:51:33.940 and who have a sincere faith,

03:51:37.200 I wish they would also join the Astro Folk Assembly and help us all to move forward.

03:51:42.460 um but yeah it's uh um it's like as formam save is like to do things the old way way

03:51:59.260 yeah yeah the ad is like to do like um practicing the old way to do things the old way

03:52:08.460 what does that mean if i bust out my old nintendo and play mario brothers that's

03:52:14.660 add for them save i mean it literally is well if i'm plugging in my old like orange thing

03:52:22.540 and playing duck hunt that's add for them save um well i was gonna i was kind of kind of

03:52:31.200 Well, no, I was going to lean in on that because of the referencing of that, that fornced or fornceder is the pathway of our ancestors, the old way. 0.66

03:52:44.140 And that's what was said when, you know, Christians asked this.

03:52:49.720 But what they were saying is like, why is this person doing this?

03:52:53.860 Oh, that's the way of our ancestors.

03:52:56.220 And I think that that actually has a degradation in and of itself. We're doing things simply because that's the way our ancestors did it. And that's a folly that they have.

03:53:11.420 The Norena Society will tell you that there is a bloat that needs to be honored at a specific time, because that's how our ancestors did it. But what they're really saying is we have it chronologically written down that a fjord in Iceland was doing this.

03:53:32.740 The community in that was holding this bloat at this time.

03:53:39.220 So that must mean all of our ancestors were doing that at that time, which is not true at all.

03:53:47.140 But on top of that, Ausatru also has a forward and willful meaning of attainment.

03:53:56.140 entertainment and just to say it is the old way is and that's ad fornum vague as ad fornum save

03:54:08.620 is the old custom yeah that's that is the old way you're doing old-fashioned stuff if you're

03:54:17.500 got a beehive haircut and wearing a poodle skirt you're going to the dance as fornum save

03:54:26.460 and you are that's literally what it means it's why i like also true is it means you're

03:54:30.620 loyal to the icir be this 700 or 1700 or 2025 or 4058

03:54:44.060 also true means loyal to the icir that's why it's a better word but again

03:54:51.820 they want to come up with something it doesn't even mean ancestors if it did i could at least

03:54:59.060 respect that i think a little bit it just means doing stuff old style and i think and they

03:55:07.740 they and somebody else mentioned this in the chat

03:55:13.100 the narana society does not treat our gods like gods and they don't treat our faith like a religion

03:55:21.820 this is a fun history project for them as that name implies about learning about what

03:55:33.200 our ancient ancestors used to do back in olden times first that's fun everybody here likes

03:55:43.100 history and it's cool to learn what ancient people did doing ancient stuff there are a

03:55:51.260 number of hobbies that I really like to learn about. If our faith is not living and our gods

03:55:59.200 are not currently existing with us, then this is a tremendous waste of time. At least to practice

03:56:07.420 it as a religion. As a hobby, it's fun. There's stuff I love to learn about. But no, this is my

03:56:12.940 faith. I believe and am loyal to the Aesir. They exist. They exist now and are aware of us. They

03:56:20.940 will exist into the future if we are intentionally confining our practice

03:56:27.740 to ancient stuff that is disrespectful to the icia

03:56:35.500 as for them saved they didn't go add for them for them save and like wear loincloths and

03:56:46.540 do ooga booga caveman stuff well why not because we should do do stuff as the old as possible

03:56:57.900 why would we do that in what way logically do our gods exist in this ancient time

03:57:04.700 i understand we like viking age imagery i get that but realistically to confine them to that

03:57:11.980 period of time is insulting also the norenda society they are very excited about finding

03:57:23.020 new wrinkles in things so if we have 10 accounts of things happening one way

03:57:31.660 but they find one really obscure account that suggests maybe it was done a different way

03:57:37.180 way that's exciting because that's a new theory I don't think that the Norian and

03:57:49.420 I don't do this show to speak ill of other people but I do get asked about the Norian 1.00

03:57:55.960 Society often and I think it's worth saying they're doing it wrong they're doing it wrong 0.99

03:58:03.760 Because their focus is not on worshiping the gods in a way that is pleasing to the gods.

03:58:11.140 Their focus is on pleasuring their own academic fetishes that they have.

03:58:23.560 And that's wrong.

03:58:25.500 And I don't think they're wrong intentioned, but I do think that the results are wrong.

03:58:30.380 they should come home to the outside and i'll say this

03:58:34.860 swan and i were both there at a winter night celebration um i think three years ago

03:58:41.200 and there was a norena society member that was a guest at that event and they

03:58:48.280 were at an odin bloat that we did and they remarked about how amazing it was

03:58:55.100 and how profound it was and how like oh they were just on fire about it

03:59:00.160 But then they wanted to lecture us about the Naranis Society and how the Naranis Society says we should do bloat.

03:59:08.260 And I asked him, I said, well, you know, you said you really felt that the bloat that we did was really powerful, right?

03:59:17.060 Well, yes.

03:59:18.700 Okay.

03:59:19.520 Do you believe that Odin appreciated the bloat that we just did to him?

03:59:23.560 Do you think that he approved of it?

03:59:26.220 Yes.

03:59:26.660 Have you ever felt that way when you did a bloat with the Naranis Society?

03:59:33.060 Well, no.

03:59:36.480 Then why on earth would we want, why would we want to do it a different way if it was powerful to the folk that were assembled?

03:59:46.080 And if the God that we were trying to honor was honored by it?

03:59:51.240 why on earth would we try to alter it to something that you've said wasn't powerful and didn't have

04:00:00.200 that effect they don't think about that that's not what their primary motivation is unfortunately

04:00:07.220 also which was there's another big problem with the from a lore perspective the shifting of lore

04:00:15.120 for one end or another the idea of placing all the roots in the underworld saying the gods go

04:00:22.580 down into the underworld all willy-nilly when from the lore i'm not saying the gods can't but

04:00:29.840 from the lore it clearly states that this is a big thing this is something reserved for lord

04:00:36.580 odin and hermos goes in his stead it's it's a it's a threshold of importance and that immediately

04:00:46.100 gets lost away when you say oh the gods come down to the underworld to judge the dead and

04:00:52.500 measure your heart against a feather and your philkia is your lawyer they they really just

04:01:00.580 stuck their finger in and mixed everything up and i think that i don't know the entire reasoning and

04:01:07.140 then they rely on the um the inability of folk to just be religious they rely on this kind of back

04:01:20.580 uh hiding on lore their translations are are loose and strange they hypostasis the gods often they'll

04:01:29.940 say that um you know that tear doesn't exist that loki is tear in this one story that um

04:01:39.380 you know uh the the goddess knot is really austra and they're just they're not observing

04:01:48.740 and going forward with the cumulative knowledge they're cutting and snipping like the crazy ex

04:01:55.460 girlfriend making her uh uh scrapbook that's what i mean and they're doing it at a rapid rate and

04:02:04.340 it's just it's very very infuriating uh to see this and then know that half the people reading

04:02:11.700 it will take it because it's presented in a way without realizing that their their translations

04:02:18.340 are very sketchy uh same guy same guy at the same event it was funny to watch him talk with spawn

04:02:29.380 i didn't even know we were in a debate until halfway through because that's because you and

04:02:34.660 i weren't you and i are priests and we were trying to worship odin and then this guy asked us

04:02:39.700 questions but he was in a debate because that's what this is in at fornham safe so um

04:02:55.460 but he would regurgitate the talking points that he'd been instructed by whoever their their

04:03:05.300 talking heads are and spawn would like yeah but in the next stanza it says this thing that

04:03:12.660 completely contradicts what you're saying but he didn't know because it wasn't something that he

04:03:17.700 knew it was just something that he was regurgitating as like a gotcha point um i realized

04:03:26.340 that i can't and i would be very offended if people did it of me but i assume they get asked 0.56

04:03:33.620 and i'm not mad if they get asked about me and they're like hey that that guy sucks i mean is

04:03:40.020 what it is it is i don't like trying to evaluate whether someone else is sincere or not or try to

04:03:52.180 tell you what they believe or what they don't believe and i would be very very angry if someone

04:03:57.620 or when someone tries to tell you what i believe or what i don't believe but i will say this doing

04:04:04.500 this for a long time and i think that this is where the norena society folks find themselves

04:04:11.940 i don't think they mean to be insincere but sometimes you can tell by someone's actions and

04:04:20.740 their countenance what they really believe or what they don't there's things i and maybe some

04:04:33.060 people understand this if they've been hunting if you go out hunting you are so excited for the idea

04:04:41.700 of hunting that whatever your your prey is any dark spot in the woods look there's a moose over

04:04:51.140 there and then you get up to it no it's just a log no look but this time no seriously moose over there

04:04:59.540 no it's just a shadow when you see a moose you are almost floored by like how could i have ever

04:05:08.420 thought any of this other stupid nonsense was the this is obviously a moose and then it's real 0.98

04:05:17.220 if you don't know and you lack the religious experience i think it's very easy to think 0.99

04:05:22.820 that you are religious but it is a really different like you think you believe

04:05:31.540 but one of the most special things is and again i i don't know if we're in a society

04:05:36.580 people have experienced this or not there is something transformative when you really believe

04:05:48.260 and then you can't go back and one of the best things about being a gothi is when you can be

04:05:54.500 there and see that happen in someone's eyes because again people tell you whatever they're

04:05:59.300 going to tell you but you can see in their face that something transcendent occurred and they

04:06:08.260 their life has changed and that matters and i think that norena society people

04:06:18.980 this is very much a hobby and an academic endeavor

04:06:24.020 but i don't know that they've had that experience and i don't think they treat this as a religion

04:06:29.300 Their existence is detrimental to the development of Alcetru, and so I oppose that, and I really

04:06:41.180 wish they would come home and get on the team, and they're very welcome to whenever they

04:06:46.740 decide to do so.

04:06:49.040 So Pinecone says, I'm new to all this.

04:06:51.680 I've heard that, okay, sure, and I think I went over the, he's again asking another

04:06:58.480 question about the norena society not disrespecting your question i just had answered it with the last

04:07:03.440 one though um would it be okay to depict the gods in modern western clothing like suits and ties

04:07:12.560 to align with our current cultural dress spawn what are your thoughts on this this is actually

04:07:18.160 The very question I asked myself, again, in depicting our holy gods, you know, and when

04:07:30.480 we look at certain art forms, Christian art forms, or even when the gods are depicted

04:07:37.560 in um eight the late 1800s to the 1930s um i is it i can't remember his name right now franz

04:07:49.660 it's like franz liebricht or lubrick he depicts the gods wearing nothing but cloth

04:07:57.460 like not even really togas just cloth to decency um and we noticed that in art with the depiction

04:08:09.140 of the divine that the divine is wearing just like a cloth there's like a time when that became

04:08:16.680 of development um other times in in uh whether it's uh greece rome um and even judaism that

04:08:29.380 becomes christianity that comes into greece uh starts to take on what would be the modern dress

04:08:36.960 of the times i saw somebody i can't remember in the chat saying yeah yeah there's the bacchus

04:08:42.700 element in christianity the um the jewish christians were trying to convert the non-jewish

04:08:49.420 greeks and the one they way they they did that was by comparison with bacchus so the togas

04:08:57.100 the the wine uh crafts and all of those things at the time would have been seen as modern day

04:09:05.100 and uh they were again trying to depict divinity

04:09:12.220 as funny as it sounds as a modern hip kind of thing um you know bacchus is cool but have you

04:09:22.260 heard of this rabbi from jerusalem or you know he he's got the water and the wine um

04:09:31.340 so really what it is is depicting divinity in any form and in any clothing with intent

04:09:39.100 has purpose the biggest point of that would be is it done out of respect and piety

04:09:47.420 and so when i started doing the murals i decided to choose the older style uh clothing that our

04:09:55.500 ancestors wore um you know the the av foreign said that of uh clothing styles um

04:10:08.940 as a a kind of hearkening back to the peninsula that that we got cut off from it's the same reason

04:10:20.620 why nordic is is predominantly used uh there are plenty of other groups that i'm going to do it in

04:10:26.220 anglo-saxon i'm going to do it in normani i'm going to do it in this but the last people to

04:10:31.180 practice were them this there's a consistency level of it and then so i decided to go with

04:10:39.260 that with the with the clothing would it be heretical i don't think it would if it was just

04:10:48.140 normal clothing but i have seen now that modern clothing carries with it

04:10:55.340 uh things that if you put them on the divine it would be heretical if you were to um

04:11:03.980 have a picture of lord odin wearing a shirt that says um i'm pro-life or pro-choice

04:11:13.260 um even even despite the the semantics of it obviously the folk and progeniting the folk

04:11:22.940 you can have arguments either way but the idea or that he's against i don't know republicans

04:11:28.780 in idaho that is very profane that is very heretical that is very uh unpious to dress the

04:11:38.060 divine up in your slogans in your little um inclinations they have seen so many ways that

04:11:49.420 we have tried to govern ourselves and then you have the audacity to to dress them up in in

04:11:55.980 something going on right now in all of the lifespan of our lives that they've witnessed of us

04:12:01.660 very very disrespectful um i think they're above that um so you would have to be careful with the

04:12:08.380 modern um i think the western dress the tie the collar um and what that symbolizes could have uh

04:12:21.660 yeah a positive and um pious effect but what i think also is the truth of it is that our

04:12:30.220 right now when we see that um it immediately connects us to the peninsula

04:12:38.380 that was broken off and that's important we need to connect our folk back and they need a starting

04:12:46.140 point um i even i know this sounds strange but and and i i i swear i did not do this in any

04:12:54.780 disrespectful way but i depicted some of our holy gods as uh folk during times of great uh

04:13:06.940 conflict the i depicted the gods um as almost like as in victorian civil war dress

04:13:15.580 um but i was doing this because of the nature of war and um some of the uh

04:13:23.340 the ideas of that with with the uh the confederate or the union soldiers carrying uh

04:13:29.820 buoy knives in equating that to the ancient our ancestors carrying the scrama socks or

04:13:36.700 carrying the sword there was things i was playing around with that but yeah it's i think it's um

04:13:45.180 you have to be careful and as long as you're doing it in piety it is good that's why some people also

04:13:51.740 choose to use symbology go for different types of depictions of the gods that are not even

04:13:58.060 you see this a lot in slavic wrote an ovary right now where they use big broad colors odd shapes

04:14:05.740 nothing is super hyper realistic and um they're again painting divinity in a an expression of

04:14:16.460 of emotion and color and symbology so it i know it's it's very nuanced

04:14:25.660 but i i don't think it's something terrible it's just i've seen it done in a terrible way

04:14:30.860 so it immediately makes me go like ah

04:14:35.100 you mean bright colors like this that's the first thing i thought of was rodnavri thor

04:14:40.300 oh yeah there's another guy on i found him on pinterest that no it's even more abstract than

04:14:47.740 that i mean i i find that quite nice nick if there's more of that if you could link it to me

04:14:54.140 on the side that's really kind of pretty i like that well and this one though is making reference

04:14:59.500 to the wedding dress uh and the marriage um where the giants want thor to bless the wedding so they

04:15:09.980 place it on the bride's waist which is thor and then he kills everyone in the hall

04:15:17.340 there's a lot about that story that's uh interesting and tells a lot about our culture

04:15:22.220 and the culture of our ancestors at the time but um they uh the depictions of the gods

04:15:31.100 the usage of colors some people want to make the gods wearing you know

04:15:35.980 black leather and riding around on a motorcycle with a shotgun or something um and

04:15:43.580 it's kind of a fine line between making them mundane too much or celebrating the wrong

04:15:54.700 sense uh i don't know that's why i kind of erred in my depictions towards older

04:16:01.780 clothing was to remove them from the mundane and and there's good reason for that we do speak about

04:16:09.260 honoring the gods in the modern age which we do but we have to at least hold sacred that there

04:16:16.700 was a reason why so many of our ancestors died not giving up their faith and it happened and we

04:16:24.980 need to remember that we deal with problems our ancestors did not deal with and so remembering

04:16:32.660 those things shifts our understanding of looking at depictions of the gods almost in a in a

04:16:41.380 past sense a bastion of where we come from versus modernism so they're gods

04:16:50.660 and i think that's fundamental if what we are doing is depicting them reverentially i think

04:17:00.380 that's of a great value um i think it's cool like i've often thought that was a good idea to depict

04:17:08.660 them in modern dress. I think it's a really neat artistic idea, but again, as gods, not as hippies

04:17:20.600 at a protest. I've seen really disgusting usage of our gods as a billboard for political slogans

04:17:31.060 or for diversity

04:17:33.200 or for whatever kind of gross 0.94

04:17:35.040 nonsense. 0.51

04:17:36.480 Okay, so everything else 0.65

04:17:41.280 all the lefty stuff aside

04:17:43.340 I think

04:17:45.080 depicting our gods with things

04:17:47.340 that are overtly right-wing

04:17:49.280 slogan-y things

04:17:51.080 too is still

04:17:53.260 a grossly inappropriate

04:17:55.000 exploitation of our gods.

04:17:58.560 Don't

04:17:59.360 do that. That's wrong.

04:18:01.060 Our gods are above that. Having our gods depicted as gods, I think, is fine. Having them wearing suits and ties or dresses or, you know, appropriate things to the situation, taking the same thing you would do in one of Swan's murals, but making the dress modern and not Viking Age, I think that's completely fine.

04:18:30.360 The reason that we don't is it just doesn't hearken to the same imagery.

04:18:34.440 I'm not going to lie.

04:18:36.100 We conceive things a certain way, and because we are reading the poems in the context we are reading them in,

04:18:43.840 the image that comes to mind that helps us most directly relate to our gods

04:18:49.480 is seeing them in period dress that is one-for-one exact with the stories that we read.

04:19:00.460 That is the quickest way for us at this stage of our development to relate to our gods.

04:19:08.220 And it works, and it matches up, and it's nice, and it fits well.

04:19:15.200 But there's nothing wrong in depicting them.

04:19:17.340 You know, one of the things I always like is in one of the Icelandic manuscripts, it's got like the gods wearing Renaissance clothes, not because they were trying to be whatever, but they were depicting the gods, you know, as made sense with the fashions they had access to.

04:19:41.680 so they're wearing the like renaissance striped like pantaloons the big like puffy pants and the

04:19:48.620 like puffy renaissance shirts and the it's it's very much a renaissance depiction

04:19:54.540 but it wasn't done to like be different or to be modern or to like make an artistic expression

04:20:02.360 that's just when they read acts it was a renaissance acts not a viking age acts when

04:20:08.880 they read you know armor armor looked like it did in the renaissance not what we know from

04:20:15.340 archaeology as a viking age to armor um so it was interesting to see that but yeah our gods

04:20:22.840 ultimately are not any of that that just helps us relate to them in a better uh easier way

04:20:28.920 i'm gonna i was gonna send two pictures to um nick to kind of give an example too of what i

04:20:36.960 was talking about one about the untimeliness where it's just not specified uh an ancient

04:20:44.660 sketch of the tripartite and then also i wanted i'm still looking for the um

04:20:50.100 the uh rhodan ovary uh kind of abstract that i was

04:20:56.200 but so yeah yeah yeah so uh the next one is is yahweh a yoten

04:21:06.960 I ask because Acharya G calls Yahweh an Asherah.

04:21:14.160 No. 0.99

04:21:16.960 No. 0.99

04:21:18.600 Yahweh is a God of the Jews.

04:21:23.720 Perhaps the God of the Jews, depending on what your take on that is. 0.89

04:21:30.080 But no, he's completely and totally outside of our cosmology and not relevant to our cosmology.

04:21:37.920 uh i'm not claiming that he exists i'm not claiming that he doesn't exist

04:21:43.760 i'm claiming that he has no relevance to us or to our folk and exists as the god of a foreign people

04:21:52.240 um that is openly hostile to us so that's no i think when we try to take other this is the thing

04:22:02.240 we want to be folkish but then we want to overlay universalism on it and it doesn't work that way

04:22:11.160 no he has nothing to do with us um various african you know african deities have nothing to do with

04:22:22.860 us chinese deities have nothing to do with us they are not referenced secretly in our lore

04:22:31.120 because they don't relate to us in any way.

04:22:35.280 They are outside of our cosmology.

04:22:41.140 And last question of the night.

04:22:45.120 Hey, again, thank you for sharing this weekly episode.

04:22:49.140 I've been tuning in perhaps a year or so now,

04:22:52.140 and I enjoy them immensely.

04:22:53.560 Okay, not really a question, but last comment of the night.

04:22:57.580 Nafnlaust, thank you so much.

04:23:00.580 Really glad that you are enjoying the program.

04:23:04.360 I'm glad that you've been following us for a year.

04:23:06.640 That's a long time.

04:23:07.580 Thank you for that.

04:23:09.240 It surprises me.

04:23:10.760 We're at episode 163.

04:23:15.040 So that's quite a few.

04:23:18.020 I hesitate to contemplate how many hours that represents, but quite a bit.

04:23:24.580 But thank you guys so much for your continued participation and enjoying the show.

04:23:32.400 As I've said, if you like the show and you believe what we're putting out there, you should join the Ask True Folk Assembly.

04:23:42.400 There's always times in your head you might think are better.

04:23:46.600 That's not true.

04:23:47.640 The best time for you to join is 30 years ago.

04:23:52.440 The second best time is right now. 0.74

04:23:55.540 So if you like what we're doing and you agree with us and you're a heterosexual white person, come home to Ausatru.

04:24:03.700 We've got great things to do together. 0.63

04:24:08.720 Yes, Fon, you look like you've got something bubbling that you would like to say or speak on.

04:24:14.460 Well, I was just wondering if Nick got the images.

04:24:18.420 I really wanted to show this because I think this is important.

04:24:20.840 I think that was a great question.

04:24:22.180 obviously i'm all worked up about imagery of the gods well then you got to talk for a bit because

04:24:27.960 it's going to take me a minute to get it from my phone to my computer okay well uh i did want to

04:24:33.880 say a little bit about uh yahweh as a yotan that's also not only universalism but that desperation

04:24:40.660 that universalists have to try to turn yotans into a different race lord ovin is descended of

04:24:49.460 the jotuns so does that mean that yahweh is like lord othin's great uncle or cousin or

04:24:59.940 or what have you we can't be doing that that is the god of the jews not our god and you can see

04:25:06.900 that even in the bible everyone back then was talking like that there was a reason why the jews

04:25:13.460 said they cannot yahweh cannot go up into the north there are men with iron wheels

04:25:21.380 their gods up there are like barring him from going up there um

04:25:27.140 though that he is the god of the jews and for european people to

04:25:32.740 worship him and then jump through the hoops and say you know what we're actually the chosen people

04:25:40.020 of their religion because they denied the very thing that they came up with the messiah but

04:25:48.180 we've taken that because now the messiah is european is it it's super sad to see and we

04:25:56.740 really need to to get away from that uh absolutely yeah alcero that was absolutely correct the

04:26:05.900 universalistic part of that uh but also that jotun part was uh you know and we've spoken about

04:26:15.500 yachtins before the uh the usage of the word in a modern sense trying to make them like a different

04:26:22.620 race but they are not um i but i just wanted to say too i found the pictures the pictures are of

04:26:33.200 two of two tripartites one of the slavic tripartite and the one on the left is very um

04:26:42.640 uh just colors bold no clothing it's uh it's um symbol and it's very similar to ours you can

04:26:54.980 really see how the slavs and the germanic folk are truly we are of the same tree just different

04:27:04.100 branches but in their tripartite they have peirun on the left they have svaurag in the center and

04:27:11.060 they have veles on the right um whereas you see on the right hand side there's a very unspecific

04:27:18.900 kind of cloth covering the crotch depiction um with uh crown elements and so on and so forth

04:27:27.060 and here we see uh lord ovin in the center and we see thor on on the left and we see the fruitful one

04:27:36.740 frey on the right and this would of course be the upsala tripartite um where where the uh

04:27:45.460 movement of um tear out and fray in amongst the swedes was priority but i the one on the left

04:27:55.540 the symbology of the body and the shapes that he did um really really interesting stuff there i

04:28:03.940 thought it was just worth seeing no and i and i just kind of want to leave on that our gods are

04:28:11.060 not any of these things these images the point is and the point of the depictions in the lore

04:28:21.300 is to help us understand our gods there's not like if you literally walk up a rainbow

04:28:29.060 eventually you will meet a big angry looking guy with red hair in a goat chariot that's super swole 0.90

04:28:36.340 that's got a like physical iron hammer our ancestors weren't idiots and neither are we 0.74

04:28:45.140 these are artistic expressions that illustrate the the might and the uh and the power

04:28:55.460 in the raw nature of asa thor um so our imagery should bring us closer to understanding with the

04:29:05.220 gods as opposed to try to bring the gods down to us to relate to us it should always be to help

04:29:13.780 elevate us to relate to to the gods um and the directionality on that's really important

04:29:20.660 it's fine you look like you had another point in there no no i was just i was just laughing

04:29:25.060 at something said in the chat or not no worries all right guys well thank you all for being here

04:29:30.580 with us tonight. Been a good show. I enjoyed talking to you guys. I'm hoping to see as many

04:29:36.440 of you as I can at Freyfaxi at Baldershaw. If you can make it out, it's going to be this Friday

04:29:43.660 and Saturday. Come on out. We would love to see you. I would love to meet you. If I've met you

04:29:48.560 already, I'd love to see you again. If I haven't already, I'd love to shake your hand and make

04:29:52.640 your acquaintance. You can do it. Let's make it happen. The law speaker will be joining me next

04:30:00.220 week for a discussion about mindfulness on adulting with alan and until then hail the

04:30:08.620 isere hell the folk hail the afa remember victory never sleeps

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Asatru Folk Assembly - August 21, 2025

8⧸20⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 163 - Sigrdrífumál

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