Asatru Folk Assembly - 8⧸21⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 111 - Þrymskviða

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00:03:30.000 Hello, and welcome to another exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:45.680 So, since I've last spoken to all of you, I had the honor of attending Freyfaxi at Baldershof, and it was a fantastic event.

00:03:57.860 But those of you who haven't gotten a chance, that Hoff is more beautiful every time I see it.

00:04:08.800 It's really a spectacular place.

00:04:12.000 And like I say, if you've not gotten to experience yet, you're missing out, and we would invite you to.

00:04:17.420 So keep in mind, I always kind of plug events that are upcoming.

00:04:27.860 And yes, we definitely want you to go to those. And the ones that I plug are kind of national level, certainly regional level showcase events. But keep in mind, there is a holy observance at each of our Hoffs every single month, as well as at Sigurheim every single month, even if it's, you know, there are some that are certainly bigger than others.

00:04:53.500 But our Hoffs are not going anywhere.

00:04:55.720 So you have the opportunity every month to attend something somewhere if you'd like.

00:05:05.500 That said, all right, so I might as well plug the upcoming events now in as good a time as any.

00:05:15.380 So to get started on that, coming up in September is Frayer's Harvest Feast, and that is going to be in Montana.

00:05:27.040 And I'm looking forward to that. That's going to be very, very exciting.

00:05:32.420 That's one that I've wanted to make it to in the past, and I have not made it to, and that I will definitely be at this year.

00:05:38.960 So I'm looking forward to that, and I would love to meet any and all of you there.

00:05:44.820 So if you would like to make that happen, let's let's do it.

00:05:50.740 Following in October for the first time ever held in New Hampshire, it's going to be the AFA Winter Nights.

00:05:59.520 You've heard me talk many times on here about Winter Nights.

00:06:02.980 Winter Nights is a deeply moving event, a deeply moving holy tide, and something that's very accessible because we all have ancestors who have crossed beyond the veil.

00:06:18.520 We all have mothers and grandmothers and great-grandmothers that have passed that look on after us.

00:06:25.180 And so that connection is really palpable.

00:06:28.740 it's going to be set at a really beautiful time of year i'm told that's going to be like the peak

00:06:35.640 leaf change full effect fall time for new hampshire so we're pretty excited about that

00:06:42.540 and i would love to meet you all there it's going to be a really nice event and i'm very

00:06:46.720 much looking forward to it um and then following that in november in south dakota we have the

00:06:54.400 at the feast of the iron here yards the fourth annual feast of the iron here you are as a

00:06:59.600 kind of large level afa large scale afa event um i'm doing the same spot we did last year so it's

00:07:07.840 a really nice location worked out really well i'm looking forward to that uh love to see it all these

00:07:14.480 places so if you're a member you should absolutely get there if you can to any or all of them if you

00:07:20.560 are not why not you should become a member and be part of what we're doing but until then we would

00:07:26.240 still love to have you join us at one of these events we need to reach out to one of the fork

00:07:29.840 builders we can get that all figured out for you forget to do this sometimes at the top of the show

00:07:38.320 so it's worth reminding um wherever you are consuming this if you are watching it as a video

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00:08:52.400 you and we appreciate your support also kind of note on your guys generosity last week i don't

00:08:59.520 know what it is we've had some kind of more sparse attendance in our vns audience the past couple of

00:09:08.400 weeks last week's episode was very brief um fortunately it was because some of us had some

00:09:16.640 traveling to do early the next morning so it was okay but in a very short amount of time

00:09:23.760 excuse me you guys dug in big and donated almost 400 towards the uh payoff of new york's off and

00:09:31.680 that was in an episode that lasted about an hour and a half so we appreciate you guys you guys did

00:09:37.040 fantastic um we are making progress as you can see on there still got a little ways to go

00:09:45.040 but with you guys generosity i know that we can continue to cut that down and race towards that

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00:10:01.920 we have it right now to where it's just about

00:10:04.240 107 dollars per afa member would immediately pay off the remaining balance so that's where we're

00:10:14.400 at and again thank you guys so much for being so generous and helping us get there um with that

00:10:22.240 just kind of a couple of cool notes on frayfaxi baldershoff um lovely event thank you to all of

00:10:29.920 the leadership in the baldershoff district you guys did an amazing job putting on yet again

00:10:36.160 a fantastic event it's always really really nice to go and see uh town of murdoch that we've you

00:10:44.800 know established a home in for our folk um i appreciate the uh the families that uh allowed

00:10:55.840 me to be part of of naming their children this weekend we had two beautiful little babies get

00:11:02.320 named at the altar of balder at his hof and that was fantastic um always look forward to doing that

00:11:11.280 that is you know one of my very most favorite things to do um also something really nice

00:11:21.360 happen i think it's worth sharing um it's a unique and special thing to have physical spaces

00:11:29.840 in midgard to practice our faith and to i guess plant the flag of alsatru in a real and physical

00:11:39.440 way this happens to me every time i go to murdoch and i'm told that it happens very often when i'm

00:11:48.400 not there but i've seen it myself too many times to ignore we so very often have members of the

00:11:57.200 community that just stop by and need to need to tell us how much they appreciate us how thankful

00:12:07.440 they are for us being who we are and how sometimes even just our existence has a really positive

00:12:18.560 effect on them i mean a very nice lady locally pulled up and she's been going through a rough

00:12:23.840 time had some struggles going on in her life with her job with her vehicle with a variety of things

00:12:31.200 she's just really feeling down and she happened to drive by the hof and our people waved at her

00:12:39.680 she was so moved she felt the need to pull in and just

00:12:45.280 tell us about herself and her day and what she's doing what she's going through and how much

00:12:50.640 just having you know nice people doing nice things and extending some kindness and waving

00:12:57.760 to her changed her whole day her whole outlook and she left so very very positive after a time

00:13:05.120 that she was really struggling and it's beautiful to see and and be part of that she says that

00:13:10.480 you know she doesn't know who we are doesn't know who we're about doesn't doesn't care every time

00:13:15.520 she comes by and there's people there it's just it's family and she needs that so much in her life

00:13:23.440 it's so beautiful to see that and you know nice people waving at her just made her day and she

00:13:30.640 sat there and must have talked to me and some of the others for you know 15 20 minutes about just

00:13:37.360 how big of an impact it made on her and her day it was really nice to be part of that and see that

00:13:42.560 and it's not rare that happens a lot there before we get one more time

00:13:53.440 Excellent. So we got sound effects now. Love that. Appreciate that. So those sound effects

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00:15:01.280 And so with that, what do I was probably say what we're what we're doing this evening?

00:15:19.660 I apologize about that. So we are Svon and I are going through the Remsk Vida today and

00:15:30.060 what what do folks need oh okay i'm getting ahead of myself i apologize so folks who are unfamiliar

00:15:39.540 with this or if you are just a reminder we are the translation we're going through is the bellows

00:15:46.720 version there's a link here to exactly what we're reading from but as always please feel free to use

00:15:54.040 whatever translation you like and we can kind of compare and contrast and you know perhaps they put

00:15:59.340 something an interesting way that will add depth to uh to what we're going over um

00:16:07.900 while you guys are finding that or getting there or you know whatever you need to do

00:16:12.860 swan is there any background folks need or any any preparation we need for tonight's uh tonight's poem

00:16:21.260 I cannot hear you, Sloan.

00:16:32.160 I'm cracking open a can, and I didn't want to just disturb as you were talking.

00:16:39.740 Yeah, this poem is amazing.

00:16:43.500 This is one of the better ones.

00:16:46.440 I think most folks who are familiar with the stories via a storytelling point, maybe not a poetic point, this is the kind of the famous or infamous Thor's wedding story about where he he has to go and attain something.

00:17:11.320 well he has to go and attain his hammer if you're familiar with it and um he has to

00:17:17.560 he gets put into a compromising spoiler alerts yeah spoiler alerts

00:17:23.260 we will go into all of the content of the poem he has to be put into a compromising position

00:17:30.280 i mean most people i think are are familiar these this one and and thor's trip

00:17:39.940 to Jotunheim these two really stand out and they rightfully so these are just great

00:17:48.120 they're great stories this one is really really good and I would say too if you're interested in

00:17:54.960 learning Old Norse this poem specifically stands out to me as one that is really good at

00:18:04.020 allowing you to cross translate between English and Old Norse and, and kind of get a good

00:18:12.340 roadmap. But, um, the, the, the name Thryms Skvidas, because it is the poem of Thrym or the

00:18:23.140 saying of Thrym, um, even though it's clearly about, uh, Lord Thor and, um, his adventures in

00:18:32.940 Jotunheim, it is spoken about the Jotun that is kind of the focus of the story on the opposite

00:18:42.480 side. So it's Threme's poem, because again, if you named every poem after the gods, there are so

00:18:50.600 many, it would create some filing errors. So you want to generally, they named the poems after the

00:18:59.900 opponents and that, um, you know, narrowed it down, but many opponent, uh, that Thor,

00:19:08.800 you know, meets. And if anyone's familiar with the MO of the storm father,

00:19:14.180 it's going to be a bloody brutal ending. So anytime he's involved, that's, that's the general

00:19:25.500 purpose of his understanding of his might but i mean outside of that without any you know spoilers

00:19:31.900 um this um i'm trying to think because i you know we're doing this kind of off the top of our heads

00:19:42.360 um right as we go so i mean referencing to other stories is like very minimal even though the last

00:19:50.640 couple of poems have really referenced other stories and you'll notice that some poems are

00:19:58.160 built heavily on that and are often written in other books um this poem may not have been very

00:20:05.520 well known um because there isn't a lot of referencing and rightfully so i think the subject

00:20:14.720 is i think that at this time there is a kind of a perhaps a laughable moment towards the gods and

00:20:23.360 i'm not saying that our ancestors didn't have a good sense of humor about the gods being in

00:20:30.160 in predicaments or stories where they're they're quite funny um but i think it was lesser known

00:20:38.480 just lesser accepted because of the strange and kind of predicament that Thor finds himself in.

00:20:46.880 And I think that this is going into a larger point about our ancestors in the Nordic countries

00:20:53.760 and their social mores. And it's another thing to consider. When the poems were being written down,

00:21:03.360 The stories, we don't know how long they were around. Many of them, I think, go all the way back to the to the source of our people, because there's even references to certain things that happened before the migration era.

00:21:19.720 um they they've just changed names um but we don't know how long they've been around and when

00:21:27.640 things started to get written down it was it was after the conversion of christianity

00:21:32.800 in iceland and there was this slow kind of demonization of the gods um and what you end

00:21:41.480 up finding is a lot of people kind of flaring perhaps old stories with a new mindset of

00:21:49.680 um a lack of importance a lack of piety within them um we see that too in greece with the

00:21:57.940 with the philosophes turning religious um stories into dramas so now you know you read a story uh

00:22:07.280 about you know zeus uh committing all kinds of strange acts and a lot of that came about

00:22:15.560 because they were in the era of the philosophes and and the uh the thespians and the people that

00:22:21.560 were you know writing these dramas were doing them in a sense of impiety and um they were doing it

00:22:30.440 really to keep the audience because if you do just something based off of religious vigor they're

00:22:36.260 they're, there's, they're not going to stay. So they turned into, you know, uh, questionable

00:22:43.720 and, um, raunchy kind of stories. Um, and I think that that was kind of a prelude to the end.

00:22:52.760 So I'm not saying it was as bad in, in the, uh, Nordic lands, but it kind of has the same

00:22:59.680 feeling we already see it with um not so much with snorty but we do see it with uh saxo grammaticus

00:23:07.620 the dane um he wrote about the gods as humans and he kind of put them into compromising positions to

00:23:16.460 show their uh their their nature was not only ungodly but um you know sometimes laughable

00:23:28.780 so bear that in mind and i don't think that it it's we just covered locust sana and locust sana

00:23:36.300 is really heavy with a lot of that so this isn't so bad but yeah bearing that in mind

00:23:44.180 um let me see here

00:23:58.780 So something to kind of note on it while we're, while we're doing this, while Svahn's kind of finding his spot.

00:24:09.160 The, and I, and I mentioned this a lot on here because I think it's important.

00:24:13.580 um these are stories and in the course of both eddas like when you read when we start going

00:24:28.780 through and as long as you guys are enjoying these and even if you aren't we may still continue to

00:24:35.780 just go through as much of our lore as we can um on here because i think it's valuable and i think

00:24:41.860 it's important to do.

00:24:45.140 But when we're reading some of the heroic sagas,

00:24:49.420 they're very much told as a history of happenings.

00:24:57.460 What we run into in the Eddas is there's a mixture.

00:25:00.880 There's a mixture of faithful retelling of myth.

00:25:05.940 there's instructional pieces on how to do poetry right there's pieces that are designed as comedies

00:25:20.020 and there's many things that are kind of halfway in between different genres on that

00:25:27.780 and so i will say with this as with anything else

00:25:31.940 that certainly anything else that we go over here don't allow

00:25:36.500 the small details to take away from the macro truths so when we obsess over

00:25:46.400 like character continuity in story things the tremendous benefit of this in the form that we

00:25:56.160 have it is that when you take the little pieces that are clearly in the story as references that

00:26:06.660 the audience is familiar with the more of those callback things that they are familiar with that

00:26:13.140 presuppose the audience understands the more we talk about established

00:26:19.040 established um common understandings amongst our ancestors and those eventually harken back to

00:26:31.440 you know orthodox ways that our ancestors saw our gods um but keep but keep that in mind like

00:26:40.260 the the point isn't the minor detail in the story with most stories that are intended for

00:26:49.760 oral transmission there's a certain amount of poetic license here and there but the truths

00:26:56.040 that they talk about and the points of familiarity about our our grand myths and our gods are very

00:27:06.580 valuable and when you're sometimes you miss the forest for the trees if you overly obsess on the

00:27:15.200 story the way these are brought to us in literary fashion and translated over years they are not the

00:27:22.140 most amazing example of poetic writing ever in the history of the world they are a tremendously rich

00:27:32.040 source of lore about our gods in its most developed form that we have access to and they're very

00:27:41.400 valuable in that and uh so it's keep that in mind when you're going through it keep an eye of

00:27:48.760 discernment on it about the things that are important and the things that aren't and there's

00:27:54.360 a good bit of intentional comedy in this presentation that is comedic and obviously so by anybody

00:28:12.120 until about eight years ago so

00:28:13.960 there you go um ready to get cracking whenever spawn is he is still being muted because

00:28:26.440 nick is trying to trying to squash his ability to communicate with our folk here don't know why

00:28:33.800 to be fair i did not mute him no it's me it's me i i keep uh muting to make sure there's um

00:28:41.640 um not a lot of noise coming through uh because i actually might even have like family running

00:28:49.080 through the uh room behind me in just a moment um yeah it's it's comedic and to anybody with

00:28:56.520 you know half a brain would know that it's comedic and funny because of its abnormality

00:29:04.520 and um i think that that's kind of like you said in the last like eight years it's kind of been

00:29:11.780 lost in folks but um there's also some underlying points that i find interesting in the story

00:29:18.180 um that harken back to other things and that's you know kind of the the there is

00:29:28.140 Aryan myth cycle that is repeated and you can see it in different groups. And then this one

00:29:35.220 too has Nordic myth cycle that repeats within the stories consistently. Um, but yeah.

00:29:47.500 All right. Well, begin whenever you are ready.

00:29:50.480 Yeah, I was going to say, too, I just looked at the Bellows notes, and he wrote down that this poem is assumed its present form, most critics agree, somewhere around the year 900, which is 100 years before the conversion of Iceland.

00:30:10.700 Iceland was converted in the year 1000. And then it was a process of removing the native faith and implementing the foreign faith.

00:30:28.240 So, you know, whether that took, you know, 100 years to perhaps 200, I would say definitely about by the 100 mark, it was definitely the faith was practiced in secret.

00:30:43.800 Though there wasn't a lot of physical threat to being Ausatru afterwards, all that we hold dear is only a generation away from being lost, whether it's our liberty, whether it's our faith as being Ausatru and all that we are building.

00:31:08.580 And the reason why it's so important to ensure that your children carry on the faith is because in one generation, it can be lost.

00:31:18.180 So let's see here.

00:31:24.780 All right.

00:31:27.200 So it kind of starts off not with an introduction, but with a very quick, this is what's happening.

00:31:34.800 This is the plot.

00:31:36.260 Go.

00:31:36.660 And that this first page is what it's really about. But I will say it does have some really good haiti of Thor straight out the gate.

00:31:52.700 so here uh in stanza number one it says wild was ving thor when he awoke and when his mighty hammer

00:32:04.380 he missed oh excuse me sorry guys the uh background noise

00:32:10.100 okay wild was ving thor when he awoke and when he his mighty hammer he missed

00:32:20.280 He shook his beard, his hair bristling as the son of yours about him sought.

00:32:28.980 So one of his is Ving Thor, the the hurling or throwing Thor, the one who who, you know, chucks or or, you know, pitches pitching, if you will.

00:32:45.460 um and when he awakes he can't find his hammer and again there's a referencing to the fact that

00:32:53.360 his beard is bristling if you notice in some of the artwork especially statuary from the old

00:32:59.100 norse period um there's commonalities with the storm father and one of them is the glaring eyes

00:33:05.880 the other one is you know just a bristling beard and oftentimes gnashing teeth so um

00:33:15.160 again to this brings to point he is the son of yarth which is our aust veneer a goddess

00:33:25.320 of the earth um so he is born of the earth and he his his father is the sky is lord of it um

00:33:35.880 and he becomes that synthesis between the two of them.

00:33:40.800 And it's worth just remembering, too, like,

00:33:43.260 Yorth is not Frick.

00:33:48.800 Frick is also born of Yorth.

00:33:51.520 And if you try to conceptualize that and say, 0.98

00:33:54.200 wait a minute, does that mean this or that?

00:33:57.700 It's important to understand that

00:33:59.680 Lord Thor is born to the fruits of the earth

00:34:05.480 as much as his father helped create him from the earth and so i think a lot of people get caught

00:34:13.580 up on that and just like what else here they said if you do try to we need to genealogically

00:34:19.500 map this out or or what have you it ends up losing a lot of the point and purpose um

00:34:26.900 so he doesn't have his hammer and he is about to go off and um he knows exactly

00:34:38.280 who to to target so in stanza two he says

00:34:43.940 hear now the speech that first he spake

00:34:49.300 hearken loki and heed my words nowhere on earth is it known to man nor in heaven above

00:34:57.900 our hammer is stolen

00:35:00.820 and so

00:35:04.600 he uh he is immediately speaking to what he who he believes is the culprit and uh it never quite

00:35:15.900 specifies um the the stealing of it it's just simply gone and that's what i mean by goes right

00:35:26.940 into um the the plot the plot is the hammer is gone not exactly about who took it or who snuck in

00:35:36.940 Again, being under the watchful eye of Heimdallr. But the story is really about the power of the gods being grounded into the middle realm. The hammer has now moved from the heavenly realm into the middle realm. And I think that has more significance.

00:35:58.920 um and again we're still establishing so uh the storm father says to the dwelling in number three

00:36:10.880 to the dwelling fair of freya went they hear now the speech that first he spake

00:36:18.120 wilt thou freya thy feather dress lend me that so my hammer i may seek

00:36:26.340 so really this is um even though thor is speaking this is going to end up being given to loki

00:36:37.300 so loki has now been tasked so when you read it in some books under the threat of bodily harm

00:36:44.820 loki is tasked to go to um the holy freya's hall and this is one of those repeated um

00:36:55.440 of using the the powers that the the uh the saver power of freya in order to step between worlds

00:37:12.360 without having to you know arduous crossing liminal spaces it's it's it's much faster and

00:37:21.860 that is a continuing thing over and over again um freya speaks in number four she says

00:37:32.200 thine should it be though of silver bright and i would give it though to her gold so she's saying

00:37:41.980 um it would be yours if it was silver bright i would give it to you if it was gold

00:37:46.900 then loki flew and the feather dress word till he left behind him the home of the gods

00:37:55.640 and reached at last the realm of the giants so she's basically starting to set the

00:38:04.620 um severity myonir is the greatest weapon they have against the forces of chaos

00:38:15.180 It's the greatest weapon that the earth has against the forces of chaos. 1.00

00:38:21.020 The Jotuns constantly inflow with resistance and pull out with dissipation. 1.00

00:38:29.940 And the maintenance of our world, the very thing that keeps the fabric of our world together is the Stormfather and his keeping them at bay. 1.00

00:38:42.000 in whatever form they may take.

00:38:46.420 And you'll see some of the

00:38:50.440 heighties of his name kind of referencing to that.

00:38:54.760 We'll go a little bit more into that.

00:38:57.840 So Freya says, I would give it to you if it was silver,

00:39:00.680 I would give it to you as gold.

00:39:02.000 If it was gold, this is so important.

00:39:04.140 Take this Loki, which also lends towards her distrust of him.

00:39:09.400 And he leaves behind heaven and descends into the middle realm, the land of the giants.

00:39:18.920 And Threen, in number five, sat on a mound.

00:39:26.020 The giant's master, leashes of gold he laid for his dogs and stroked and smoothed the manes of his steeds.

00:39:37.320 so this might throw people off when it says the giant's master um and again it's referring to

00:39:47.880 he is a master and he is a master of hounds and he is a master of uh steeds and they're

00:39:56.680 emphasizing that along with the fact that they're bound by leashes of gold um so

00:40:03.640 So the idea here is that Therim is not, and the audience would instantly know, this is

00:40:12.920 a lord of the earth, he is not some thirster who chucks rocks, if you will.

00:40:26.380 So he's standing on a hill outside his property, he's looming the manes of his horses, he's

00:40:33.320 um he has his dogs on golden you know leashes and loki arrives and thrym speaks to loki he says

00:40:48.520 how fair the gods how fair the elves why comes thou alone to the land to to the giant's land

00:40:57.800 And Loki speaks in return, ill fare the gods, ill fare the elves, hast thou hidden Lorithi's hammer?

00:41:11.380 So this little exchange is kind of funny because, and especially when I tell it in a story, is Threem knows exactly why he's here.

00:41:22.000 um and it's more or less lent that threem was behind the the stealing of the hammer

00:41:30.880 and some people have you know again looking into the details too much have said oh no loki didn't

00:41:37.140 steal it it was you know it was threem because of this kind of exchange where loki doesn't quite

00:41:43.500 know. And again, I don't think the details of this matter so much as it is important to know

00:41:52.620 that the land of resistance, dissipation, has taken the power that fights them in the middle

00:42:04.040 realm and has brought it into its domain in order to kind of keep it locked or to perhaps destroy it.

00:42:10.880 And the usage of the word hlóriði. Hlóriði's hammer. So the best way to describe this is that there is a couple of Haitis about Lord Thor that end with ríði or ríð or ríða.

00:42:33.960 that means ride, rider, riding, and hlo means loud or cacophonous. And it gets people confused

00:42:43.560 because there's actually, if you add a J before the O, it's hlior, and that means silence. So

00:42:51.000 hlior is the opposite. Hlior or hlior is silence. And I think it causes a lot of confusion.

00:43:01.160 Why would he be the silent rider? But you see this too, speaking about him as he is the perimeter guard of the middle world. And you see that with Einreidi, which means the lone rider, that he is out on his chariot alone, wardening the edges of the earth and heaven.

00:43:31.160 And Thrym speaks back after being asked, did you steal the hammer? Because the gods are upset and the elves are upset.

00:43:41.160 And Thrym speaks, I have hidden Loredi's hammer eight miles down, deep in the earth, and back again shall no man bring it.

00:43:54.660 If Freya, I win not to be my wife.

00:43:58.900 So here again is another Nordic cycle in all of the tales, is the ransoming of an item in order to gain the holy Freya, the goddess of possession, the goddess of beauty, the goddess of rarity. 0.93

00:44:23.460 And so the desire that the Jotnar have towards her is pretty consistently brought up throughout the stories.

00:44:35.300 And again, I think it is very interesting that the measurements, this is not the only time, you know, when we, the binding of Fenris, the rock Gjöl is also buried in the ground.

00:44:49.040 i don't recall if they said it was eight miles or not i have to look that up but um again the

00:44:55.040 idea of burying something in the ground to bind it to protect it and to hide it

00:45:02.080 um so the terms are set and not much more conversation needs to go on about that

00:45:09.440 um in number eight then loki flew and the feather dress word till he left behind him the home of the

00:45:21.040 giants and i love i love the usage of that that word of that the fluttering of the of the feather

00:45:32.080 cloak or feather dress um as he kind of zips off um and reached at last the realm of the gods

00:45:42.880 there in the courtyard thor he met hear now the speech that first he spake so you'll you'll notice

00:45:51.600 that there's these these things where the poet is basically saying they've come together and

00:45:58.160 this is what happens when they talk or listen now like he he's bringing the audience into these

00:46:06.320 conversations amongst the gods and amongst um the the blood kin who becomes the kinslayer um

00:46:19.520 and in number nine he says

00:46:21.120 has thou found tidings as well as trouble thy news in the air shalt thou utter now

00:46:30.800 off doth the sitter his story forget and lies he speaks who lays himself down

00:46:42.800 and this this quote here coming from um

00:46:46.640 um from uh lord thor you know he says do you have any do you have any news uh has there been any

00:46:57.920 trouble or issues that have come from this uh from you even looking um

00:47:06.880 you you should say it out loud and say it quickly um because if you sit too long you'll forget your

00:47:14.240 story and then you'll fill the gaps with lies is in essence what he's saying so speak quickly

00:47:20.960 speak it now before you sit too long and get a chance to fill in the gaps if you will

00:47:31.040 and loki speaks in 10 he says trouble i have and tidings as well three king of the giants

00:47:41.540 It's very interesting on that one, denoting that height to him.

00:47:51.740 Keeps thy hammer, and back again shall no man bring it. 0.98

00:47:56.120 If Freya, he wins not to be his wife. 0.99

00:48:02.520 So this sets about a pretty basic, we have plot, we have drive, 0.97

00:48:10.760 we've hit all the the check marks for the story um but they do it so well so cleanly

00:48:17.800 um that it allows the rest of the poem to kind of play out

00:48:26.040 uh let me see we were on 10 so we're on 11 now um

00:48:30.920 so in 11 freya the fair then went they to find hear now the speech that they first that first

00:48:44.480 he spake so again the poet is saying they go they go to her hall and this is here now what they said

00:48:52.000 and i this is uh the storm father lord four is basically coming in and saying

00:49:01.900 well you gotta get your stuff together put your bride veil on grab your dowry let's get you going

00:49:07.880 like there's no other options you gotta go i need my hammer um which would of course 0.64

00:49:15.380 piss off um the holy freya to no end um so uh freya the fair then went they defined oh yeah 0.60

00:49:29.600 sorry um uh hear now the speech the first he spake bind on freya the bridal veil for we too 0.94

00:49:38.420 must haste to the giant's home so uh busting in the door and starting to you know rip down drapes 1.00

00:49:47.300 and i i don't know like drag boxes around uh in 12 wrathful was freya and fiercely she snorted 0.92

00:49:56.020 and the dwelling grate of the gods was shaken and burst was the mighty breezing's necklace 0.94

00:50:03.620 so the brzinga men a source of her power drawn from the four corners of of the earth or of the

00:50:18.620 um primordial earth really smart alfheim is is not necessarily the earth but the interactions 0.80

00:50:26.280 between basic elements and basic energy and how they're comprised together she draws from the

00:50:33.460 four corners of this place and and has the brisingaman made and it is the most desired item

00:50:40.260 um outside of of of mjolnir and um it they you know she bursts it um and this is again a common

00:50:52.020 thing that they often say that she just gets so puffed up or just so angry that her necklace

00:50:59.460 bursts off um and um all of heaven is shaken so

00:51:08.140 most lustful indeed should i look to to all if i journeyed with thee to the giant's home

00:51:18.360 So she's basically saying, what do you take me for, a harlot? Like, I'm not going there at all. And this is another important point, is the Holy Freya was not seen as some sort of loose woman.

00:51:36.820 And I would argue quite the opposite, that her beauty was coveted because of the lack of access to her.

00:51:49.480 And I kind of see this in modern times where a lot of folks will say, I mean, there's like the common, I don't know if it used to be a sticker, if you can't lay them, slay them, or what have you.

00:52:01.800 and i really super um kind of impious and and what have you but again uh the heart

00:52:11.720 that it belongs to everyone belongs to no one so i would argue yes that she is you know and

00:52:18.200 this is even worse because she's worried about her her um reputation um and she says i'm not going

00:52:27.320 there um and again there's a point too where when she puts her foot down the gods are left to 0.92

00:52:35.720 deliberate other options they don't force her they now have to rethink the situation uh 13 0.99

00:52:48.600 then were the gods together met and the goddesses came and council held

00:52:53.480 and the far-famed ones a plan would win or a plan would find how they might

00:53:02.080 hammer win

00:53:05.240 so another point of this is the reason why we speak about ascension and why we speak about

00:53:16.380 fame, those who can attain fame or notoriety, um, and, you know, build their bright fame in their

00:53:28.340 life is, you know, a huge part from this stanza, the gods meet together, the goddesses meet

00:53:35.660 together and the far famed ones, the ones that are known all around who live in heaven amongst

00:53:42.000 the gods um who are not you know committed to the cycling of of of the soul might in order for the

00:53:52.480 new souls on earth to to continue on and the gods are very very invested in that but there are folk

00:54:01.680 folk who can gain the notoriety gain the connection are heroes like uh over of egg here

00:54:12.880 um you know you know alexander uh rud mills these people were deeply connected to the gods in ways

00:54:22.240 that were extremely important and their fame and their notoriety and if they haven't

00:54:29.120 been taken up into heaven we speak well of them we honor them in hopes that one day

00:54:37.040 they will because of the importance of their deeds um

00:54:45.760 so in 14 then heimdall spake the whitest of the gods like the waynes he knew the future well

00:54:59.120 Bind we on Thor the bridal veil. Let him bear the mighty Brizzing's necklace. 0.87

00:55:07.840 A couple of things about this.

00:55:11.840 A lot of folks have wondered if that usage of words means that heimdallr is not vanir of origin.

00:55:25.140 though most speak of him being born of the nine waves of the world and he knows the future

00:55:34.040 the idea is that in the you know in the the reading of it is is as of the vanir he knows

00:55:46.160 the future well and so he speaks with the idea of of creating a pathway he should fake being 0.87

00:55:59.920 the holy freya and of course this would get an uproarious laugh in the audience because 0.83

00:56:08.000 the Stormfather is gigantic in his descriptions as a human. He's got a giant beard, he's got

00:56:19.540 wild hair, and he looks nothing like a fair lady. And it's interesting that Heimdall is 1.00

00:56:30.740 bringing up this point, and I believe that that also has influence. It's not referencing another

00:56:37.760 poem but i believe that this poem has influence from another one um and we'll talk about that in

00:56:42.800 a little bit but um he says you know thor you need to put on the bridal veil and you need to put on

00:56:51.600 the brisinga necklace and you need to to uh pretend to be freya and then he says keys around him

00:57:01.120 let their rattle and down to his knees hang a woman's dress with gems full broad upon her breast

00:57:10.320 and a pretty cape to crown his head. Again, reemphasizing the laughter of this whole

00:57:18.480 situation, but it is worth noting one of the biggest things was, again, during our wedding

00:57:25.980 ceremonies keys are given to the bride um now she has not been married yet but the idea is that

00:57:37.500 it's not about you know keys make you a married woman no keys mean that you own property that you

00:57:44.540 own you know uh things that need to be locked up so a woman that owns and keeps tabs of everything 0.73

00:57:54.460 in the house needs keys to ensure the security of the valuable goods in the house and it's 1.00

00:58:01.980 clearly a sign of womanhood um the lashing of the key belts around the dress and then

00:58:09.500 another part of this is with gems um the turtle brooches a uh another i can't remember the name

00:58:24.780 of it but there is another writing in which these christians speak of the fact that heathen women

00:58:32.700 wear brooches with gems across their chest um and that they're made of silver oh actually sorry it's

00:58:43.340 it's ibn fadlan's account of the ruse he says that they're women wear baskets made of either

00:58:51.180 gold silver or copper based on the station of their husbands on their chests and this is again

00:58:58.380 referencing the turtle bridges and with the with the gemstones in between and you know again placing

00:59:06.860 a veil around his head now we all know how that's gonna go um 16 then for the mighty his answer made

00:59:27.180 me with the gods on manly call if i let bind the bridal veil i can't do that my reputation is to 0.62

00:59:36.140 uphold she has a reputation i have a reputation if i you know start dressing up like a woman 0.63

00:59:43.980 people are gonna think i'm you know it's i'm ridiculous this is you know this is not what

00:59:51.260 he's not wanting to do this and of course the kinslayer kind of slips in

00:59:57.980 uh steps in to grease the wheels if you will um and i'm sure the idea would simply be that uh

01:00:05.900 loki is loving this um 17 then loki spake the son of laufey and that of course is referring to his

01:00:17.260 mother um as he is born of laufi the island which means leafy his father is far bauti which means

01:00:28.540 far biter or one who hits the mark from afar like an archer or something like that and i've often

01:00:36.620 pondered whether or not that was um in reference perhaps to um astronomical i mean uh astrological

01:00:44.140 effects of um witnessing perhaps a comet hitting an island i don't know i kind of went off on that

01:00:52.060 one there but um he says be silent thor and speak not thus else will the giants in ausgarth dwell

01:01:02.860 if thy hammer is brought not home to thee so stop complaining the gods will have no home

01:01:12.300 to dwell in if you can't bring

01:01:14.420 the very thing that you need to defend

01:01:16.560 it.

01:01:20.460 Then bound they

01:01:22.200 on Thor the bridal veil

01:01:24.200 and next the mighty

01:01:25.960 Brzingen's necklace.

01:01:30.920 Keys around

01:01:32.240 him let

01:01:34.180 they rattle

01:01:35.020 and down to his knees 0.98

01:01:37.720 hung a woman's dress with 0.90

01:01:39.940 gems full broad upon

01:01:42.140 his breast and a pretty cap to crown his head then loki spoke the son of laofy

01:01:53.900 as thy maid servant thither i go with thee we too shall haste to giant's home

01:02:02.540 this is interesting because you can clearly see the heroics the the man the the warrior

01:02:10.540 is like no this i got a reputation i can't be doing this while simply loki is like i'll dress

01:02:16.940 up too like like he was looking for an excuse um and they both decide to go to jotunheim

01:02:28.060 oftentimes in some of the stories you will see um heimdall uh being the one who who kind of

01:02:37.820 uh tricks loki into um dressing up as well like as he's taking enjoyment and watching

01:02:46.460 lord thor squirm he looks at loki and says well you know every bride has a a maid or a

01:02:52.860 maid of honor so you need to get dressed up too but i mean it's clear in the adas

01:03:00.380 loki was just itching for a chance to be strange

01:03:03.820 um so that's that's 20 and um

01:03:17.420 in 21 then home the goats to the hall were driven they wrenched at the halters swift were they to

01:03:27.580 run the mountains burst the earth burned with fire and odin's son sought jotunheim so i like this one

01:03:37.260 too because it's really interesting that generally one of the aspects that we see in

01:03:43.740 aussitru is the connection between the middle worlds and the gods obviously there's a huge

01:03:52.220 connection with lord odin he being the dynamic tripartite within the tripartite he and his

01:04:03.260 brothers shape the earth he and his brothers place uh breath and life within the new creation

01:04:14.060 of the folk um but there is clearly a connection between the storm father lord thor and the earth

01:04:23.980 and as he moves the mountains burst and the earth burns with fire and there's clear connections with

01:04:33.580 the movements of the gods being seen in natural phenomena um

01:04:40.300 um that you know again like when he empties a horn that's connected to the ocean and the levels

01:04:47.500 of the ocean drop so one of the many aspects that our our holy gods have is that they have

01:04:55.820 a an influxed connection to the material and i'm not saying all of them it doesn't seem to

01:05:04.620 play out that way. It seems to be, again, those who are deeply woven into the forelaw of the earth

01:05:12.940 have great effect over it. And moving down from heaven and into the middle realm, and remember,

01:05:20.020 it's worth noting that Jotunheim and Vanaheim are not like separate from Midgard. They are deeply

01:05:26.300 connected. They're only a, you know, a river away, if you will, if you think about it in a mythological

01:05:33.820 sense there there's like a liminal space between the two um and they're intimate towards each other

01:05:43.180 so uh and i i always found it funny too because it's just this super awesome telling of uh lord

01:05:54.780 thor just like riding forward and the mountains are burst but he's it's beautifully poetic in

01:06:00.860 its imagery yeah one of the things kind of conceptually here that i think is worth

01:06:07.820 commenting on as far as

01:06:12.300 i don't know cosmological spacing and the concept of

01:06:21.100 i mean this is to a degree the concept of

01:06:27.420 inner yard and outer yard writ large

01:06:30.860 so as we've seen with a number of our gods and kind of um our relationship to nature

01:06:40.220 and it's harder to wrap our heads around

01:06:44.700 i can go to google earth and i can look instantly at just about any place on the planet

01:06:51.260 and get a pretty detailed you know who's driving what where you know to somebody in

01:06:58.300 i don't know nigeria have a stack of tires in their backyard um

01:07:09.020 so you know in many ways kind of conceptually we may

01:07:12.620 look to space or to something else that's far more unknown to our ancestors

01:07:20.700 the world and their existence was like

01:07:24.300 the known and useful part of the world versus

01:07:32.180 the great beyond that's scary and i think that existed i mean shoot it's exciting to read about

01:07:43.700 stuff in around the turn of the century or the late 1800s where there were still areas of the

01:07:50.220 world that were completely undiscovered. And, you know, one of the refrains that you hear,

01:08:03.600 one of the oh okay all right kids so back in my day any day previous to my day um

01:08:18.720 it was spoken of very frequently like the idea of columbus discovering america and captain cook

01:08:25.680 discovering what he's discovered australia he discovered alaska he discovered hawaii

01:08:30.320 You have this age of exploration where it counted as discovered when a white guy discovered it. And that's how we looked at the world and existence. There's ours that are within the known understanding of our race, of our folk.

01:08:50.000 And then that which we have no knowledge of, that maybe you get tales from travelers about and fantastical things and traveling outside of your known area was an adventure and a risk of danger in and of itself.

01:09:08.000 and that was very much it's fundamental to the mindset of our folk and to the bearing of our

01:09:18.180 faith on how we approach others how we approach exploration how we approach conquest how we

01:09:26.320 approach nature and also how we approach other you know others that we encounter other living

01:09:35.800 things in the world and you know perhaps out in the in the great beyond in the void of space

01:09:42.360 there's ours and it extends as far as we have outposts and we have stuff

01:09:50.600 to represent us and to bring it into our context

01:09:55.460 we live in a very multicultural existence in the west today so it poses questions in terms that

01:10:11.540 don't make sense to us fundamentally and i think that's why sometimes on this program when we get

01:10:17.200 asked questions and they're very good questions but about like how our gods and their powers of

01:10:24.920 creation relate to you know some other race of people in some distant and foreign land

01:10:31.600 the question in and of itself is an irrelevancy to our faith and our ancestors because the sole

01:10:41.840 relevancy is us and in an us lens and an us context so we see the entire rest of existence

01:10:53.600 through the concept of us and is it favorable to us is it in opposition to us

01:11:02.720 do we are there things about it that we enjoy and that are beneficial to us are there things

01:11:07.840 about it that are um deteriorate deterious i don't know if that's word if not i declare it

01:11:16.000 one by alter your gothic writ um but yeah like is it good for us or not you know is this foreign

01:11:24.480 thing is it cool do we like it or does it erode at some of our core values does it make us less

01:11:30.800 is this new foreign technology is this going to make us more effective at the things we value

01:11:37.840 Or is it going to take us away from the things that we place value in? 0.96

01:11:44.020 Other groups of people, are they friendly towards us?

01:11:48.260 Are they offering us fair trade and good things on fair terms?

01:11:54.900 Or do they pose a threat to us?

01:11:57.280 Are they a competition with us for resources or for other things?

01:12:02.000 It's always that lens of us and our gods and any relation to other only affects when there's an interchange between us and them, between us and it, if it's nature.

01:12:20.420 you know nature can do nature stuff and be on its own out in the great wilderness and that's

01:12:27.700 prosontified and exemplified really well in our lore of going off to the east or going you know

01:12:36.820 across the sea or going into the into the wilds into the mountains it's going beyond

01:12:44.100 and the things that we know and have use for and have established a place within our understanding

01:12:53.040 within our world and it's going out into the other world and uh that far that extends far beyond

01:13:02.580 the

01:13:03.060 the practice of Alcitru when Alcitru was

01:13:12.560 abandoned and and our people betrayed the gods and moved away from them

01:13:18.240 our fundamental concept of us and not us

01:13:23.820 is evident in our culture up until you know very very recently so we talk about like when

01:13:33.000 we discovered america we absolutely discovered america it's silly to say something otherwise

01:13:39.640 and it's also silly to find us talking about discovering america to be offensive or in

01:13:49.800 opposition to um indian tribes already living here no they wouldn't describe it as when we

01:13:59.240 discovered america of course not we are using the term we to describe when we discovered america

01:14:07.080 it's very the view is inherently ethnocentric and that's beautiful and something that would have not

01:14:16.440 would not have seen offensive or contradictory until very very recently because of um

01:14:22.920 I don't know, strange social dynamics of the current world we find ourselves in.

01:14:31.320 And my commentary has greatly offended Svahn and known champion of First Nations peoples.

01:14:41.560 Svahn has fled from my commentary.

01:14:44.400 No, Eddie's the rest of it.

01:14:46.060 He has returned.

01:14:48.780 A great hero of the first.

01:14:52.920 i got one percent but no i like that's that's very much what i'm saying it's it's absurd if

01:15:00.840 you looked at history we're talking in western countries that our folk built and established

01:15:07.720 and civilized and constructed if you were to find yourself in china and they talked about

01:15:13.800 discoveries when they discovered you know arabic people when they discovered um

01:15:20.360 island peoples in that part of the south pacific when they discovered the japanese for that matter

01:15:32.440 they would put it in those terms when the people meaning chinese people

01:15:39.640 discovered these foreign lands and these foreign creatures and these foreign people perhaps

01:15:44.360 but it was always told told through a

01:15:50.040 folkish lens and the concept of that folkishness extends you know is whoever you are can do that

01:16:01.800 anytime your group your tribe your nation your empire your galactic empire if that's the case

01:16:12.020 discover something different

01:16:14.380 and outside of their knowledge,

01:16:16.580 they're going to write from their perspective.

01:16:21.180 The concept of having some kind of unified,

01:16:25.980 multicultural, United Nations,

01:16:28.780 one world perspective

01:16:30.340 conceptually made no sense to our ancestors

01:16:36.140 or any other group of people's ancestors

01:16:39.240 until relatively relatively recently that wasn't part of the discussion

01:16:43.800 I speak over long on it but what I think the important part of it is to understand the

01:16:53.340 the us and them or you know ours and this idea of the other and it being the unknown being

01:17:04.740 a place of adventure and a place where your rules don't apply and now you're at the mercy of things

01:17:10.800 that are beyond the powers of your society that you have to deal with in a much more heroic way

01:17:18.980 that's outside the customs of your people that's that's a challenge and you find that when certainly

01:17:24.580 when our gods travel beyond the you know the realm of men but you see it very much when our heroes do

01:17:32.140 the same when they go on a great journey beyond the known into the unknown them crossing that

01:17:39.020 threshold is in and of itself heroic and i'm you know i'm not a i'm not nearly as big of a tolkien

01:17:46.220 fan as most or as quite a bit of our people are but i think that's one of the major themes there

01:17:53.260 is leaving the shire and going out into this this great big unknown world and then coming

01:18:01.820 back with with that knowledge of of the unknown of of the edges of things you've gleamed the cube as

01:18:09.580 it were that's all i got i was quiet most of the show i saved it all up for one over long

01:18:20.140 extrapolation there i um i would definitely say too i'd be pretty upset you know you think about

01:18:29.100 the the polynesians the ones that um you know there were people before them that hit those

01:18:36.780 islands but some of the larger groups like the maori and you know they come in they they discover 0.97

01:18:42.540 these islands they fight the locals absorb or kill or you know human history and then they 0.99

01:18:50.380 keep pushing on over these islands or um the you know the the uh i guess asiatic 0.98

01:19:00.700 folks that came over glambridge discovering this you know new plate but they always just

01:19:07.180 use the word migrate they they migrated um and it just kind of takes the

01:19:13.980 you know the the depth it's like they wandered into it's like you know the crossing oceans

01:19:22.460 crossing land bridges um these are huge deals and to say they just simply you know they kind of 0.94

01:19:31.020 walked in to the place is ridiculous

01:19:35.020 um yeah and i i also one of the big tellings of uh theosophical study amongst um people that were

01:19:47.940 looking at the gods and the texts of our gods were trying to figure out how the gods worked within

01:19:57.140 our ancestors worldview and one of them was of course clearly the connection between

01:20:03.380 them and natural occurrences, which I think is one of those big steps that 0.96

01:20:10.720 Christians kind of de-evolve. I mean, if you read old stuff, Old Testament, old, you know, 1.00

01:20:20.400 yeah, it's connected thunder, lightning, and storms. But outside of that, it's pretty much

01:20:26.780 just nature and uh and then you add science on top of that so they have a great disconnection

01:20:33.500 um i mean i i think also too their god doesn't have these connections but

01:20:42.620 our gods are seen through to be able to walk in a thunderstorm and feel that that presence see thor

01:20:52.620 you know stratifying his power in the physical world is is um something that moves me and i i

01:21:03.740 you know i wonder just like how uh lame it must be to not have that anyways

01:21:10.380 why did I lose it

01:21:19.000 oh okay

01:21:19.820 so let's see

01:21:22.640 we are

01:21:23.280 22

01:21:26.320 yep

01:21:28.240 and this is kind of

01:21:32.020 again the sight of

01:21:34.400 Threme

01:21:34.860 then loud

01:21:38.360 spake Threme the giants

01:21:40.360 leader bestir ye giants put straw on the benches now freya they bring to me my bride the daughter

01:21:49.000 of nyorv out of nyotem so he rouses the jotens up he tells them to throw straw on the benches

01:21:59.160 because straw was utilized to absorb things and it you know created like a cushion on the seats

01:22:06.040 and on the floor to kind of make things easier to clean up and i like how the usage of um

01:22:14.280 the daughter of new york the holy freya out of newton and you know some people it makes me think

01:22:22.760 about when some people find like a little bit of lore and they're like well you know freya comes

01:22:28.920 from no notan noaton because it says in this you know verse here um as he refers to her or what have

01:22:37.800 you the poetic sense of noaton is north and his daughter comes from her much like uh valhall is

01:22:51.320 of olden um all of the halls are of them um and he she springs forth from him um

01:23:01.720 and now they begin to start the festivities in 23 gold horned cattle go go to my stables

01:23:12.520 jet black oxen the giant's joy many my gems and many my jewels

01:23:17.800 freya alone did i lack me thinks so he's saying i have golden horned ox i've got gems i have gold

01:23:30.040 the only thing lacking in my possession and again that's why i bring it up over and over again that

01:23:36.120 the holy freya her power comes not like uh the mistake is that people say she's the norse goddess

01:23:44.360 of love no we sylvan is the norse goddess of love freya is the norse goddess of possession and

01:23:57.640 many other things the the drive for beauty the drive for for that which is not um accessible

01:24:06.440 um when we see beautiful art and we must have it um that is her that is her power and it can be dark

01:24:18.040 um at the same time you know again speaking of her power and her abilities to you know drive

01:24:26.120 fanaticism and and things of that nature so and i think it's important to put this out there too

01:24:32.040 it's easy in the world that we are currently in to

01:24:42.120 feel the need to always represent one extreme end of the pendulum

01:24:50.120 one thing that's

01:24:51.080 we live in a time where acceptable culture or what's in vogue now in the west is

01:25:05.600 degeneracy and extreme like excess when it comes to

01:25:14.960 indulgent in indulgence in a lot of a lot of things that our parents and grandparents would

01:25:25.100 have found um grossly inappropriate or or very out of line in in the extra in the way that we're

01:25:34.100 we're doing them and as an act of rebellion so much of society is no let's just wallow in filth

01:25:41.280 so then as a counter reaction we have a lot of people that perhaps want to get super puritanical

01:25:50.720 to show how not like the rest of the devolved world they are and i think the inclination is

01:25:59.580 very good but what i do think we need to you know not be pearl clutching you know

01:26:05.920 first we shouldn't be that naive and hold everybody to unnatural standards and secondly

01:26:15.420 we shouldn't be hypocritical and pretend that we don't have natural urges that people have

01:26:22.820 I think there's a lot to be said for Freya being a goddess of lust in a lot of ways and

01:26:29.500 obviously in an overtly sexual way.

01:26:33.360 But just because that element is present

01:26:36.480 doesn't mean that element has to be all-encompassing.

01:26:40.880 We're going to read this about Thor

01:26:42.720 in four weeks from now, likely.

01:26:48.800 Yes, Thor is about brute strength

01:26:51.420 and cutting the Gordian knot

01:26:53.240 with the quickest way to do it

01:26:55.840 and you know direct crushing violence when it's done in defense of of gods and folk and and things

01:27:06.160 that doesn't mean he's also not wise and cunning and smart and and capable of all these other

01:27:13.600 things yes there's absolutely a sexual element to freya and it's right for us certainly

01:27:21.040 as men to have things that we lust after we want to possess and we want to to to own and to to have

01:27:29.820 that drives us to many of the greatest achievements of our folk

01:27:34.160 but that doesn't always need to be portrayed in the most crass of ways as we've seen earlier

01:27:41.920 in this poem just because someone is the object of lust doesn't mean they're someone who just

01:27:49.800 passes out loose sexuality to all comers. So it's important to recognize the truths of these things

01:28:03.580 and take those truths that we all know to be true and find ways to apply them that are noble and

01:28:12.880 that are reasonable things to do. And also, I think this is the case with all of our gods,

01:28:19.000 but it's worth reiterating as many times as I need to or as many times as I think to.

01:28:25.600 Our gods are vast.

01:28:27.340 To limit them to one thing or one expression of a primitive human emotion

01:28:36.940 is disrespectful in and of itself.

01:28:42.360 There are things that they are highly, they highly exemplify

01:28:47.340 that are particularly of value to them

01:28:50.780 or that they are the penultimate expression of.

01:28:55.660 But that doesn't mean that they lack the other things

01:28:58.380 or that they're not capable of many of those things.

01:29:02.600 Just as Freya is an object of desire,

01:29:08.780 she's also very much instructive in safe practice

01:29:16.140 and a, you know, a witch of such great renown and prowess

01:29:23.340 that the Allfather himself wants to learn her arts

01:29:26.860 and, you know, have a knowledge exchange with her

01:29:30.260 on magical best practices.

01:29:34.640 There's a lot of elements, and I think we tend to fixate

01:29:38.980 because it's easier and we like patterns,

01:29:41.580 And I don't know, the last 200 years of Western academic tradition has got us to where we plug things in slots, and then we call it good because we've established these slots of where things need to be, and we treat persons as things more often than not.

01:30:03.020 And we've talked about that quite a bit, but it's important to kind of reemphasize and harken back to it so we realize what it's in play.

01:30:11.580 there uh a point here when i said about how uh if you're interested in old norse and learning it

01:30:26.620 this poem really sticks out um like for instance with stanza 23 now you'll learn too that translation

01:30:35.660 stuff kind of gets interesting because in here bellows says gold horned cattle go to my stables

01:30:44.940 in the old norse it says ganga heyer at gardi so ganga if anybody's familiar with the like the word

01:30:55.580 like or the name wolf gang gang or a gang plank is a walk plank or wolf gang means to walk like a

01:31:04.460 wolf so ganga means to go and he says you know go to the stable and then he goes to list off these

01:31:12.700 things what he's basically saying is you could walk into my garage and you'll see all these cars

01:31:19.100 you walk into my house you'll see all this beautiful stuff that's what he's in essence

01:31:25.020 saying the translation has to stick to kind of more of the words less of the meaning but

01:31:32.700 But the ultimate poetic or story version of that is, is that's how it's being played out.

01:31:37.820 You can walk into my house or walk into my barn and you will see gold horned cows.

01:31:45.820 And that's what's used here.

01:31:47.040 It says,

01:31:48.120 And kir is the plural of cows. 0.99

01:31:56.880 Oxen, all black. 1.00

01:31:58.740 oxen all black like black angus if you will uh yote me out gamni the it's the joy of any yoten

01:32:08.640 so he if you uh you know read some of this you can see a lot of the golden horned cow the oxen

01:32:19.020 all svartir, all black.

01:32:23.440 Jotni

01:32:24.060 and gamni, meaning

01:32:26.080 joy. You can really,

01:32:27.980 it's easy to kind of start picking

01:32:30.100 up words with this poem and specifics.

01:32:33.160 But again, the

01:32:34.120 meaning. You can walk into my house at

01:32:36.100 any time and see all the stuff

01:32:38.180 I have. But the one thing

01:32:40.100 I'm missing

01:32:40.680 is an ausenir.

01:32:44.840 The ausenir.

01:32:46.780 Freya.

01:32:49.020 And 24, it says, early it was to evening come and forth was born the beer for the giants. Thor alone ate an ox and ate salmon. All the dainties as well.

01:33:06.240 there was set for the women and drank sift mate three tunes of beer of mead so

01:33:16.560 the usage of the word dainties comes from the word uh krausir krausir is not specified

01:33:25.760 it it says dainty like dainty things but the meaning behind that is is it hors d'oeuvres um

01:33:34.480 You know, is it delicate meals for the women that they preferred or the desserts or what have you?

01:33:42.160 But again, it's the idea is that he's eating an ox, he's eating salmon, and now he's moved on to just like eating the little things because he just can't.

01:33:53.040 He's so voracious.

01:33:54.320 And, of course, being stuck in this position.

01:33:56.200 So when you read the stories or when I tell the story, I always talk about how there's just this penchant, the pent up nervousness.

01:34:06.000 And it's worth noting that there's a reason why it has to be maintained.

01:34:11.060 the feast that's going on for for the marriage between three and freya there's a point in which

01:34:20.980 culturally everyone in the audience would understand there's going to come this moment

01:34:26.420 where uh the the couple is going to be blessed so that's what they're waiting for and that's why

01:34:34.940 there's this kind of build-up and again a comedic build-up because you could just see you know the 0.99

01:34:41.000 massive like bride eating all this food and then um 0.99

01:34:47.000 and drinking massive amounts of mead um in 25 then loud spake threem the giant's leader

01:34:58.800 whoever saw a bride more keenly bite i never saw a bride with a broader bite nor a maiden who drank

01:35:08.540 more mead than this so keenly of course just meaning voraciously and broader meaning just

01:35:17.260 being able to kind of you know shove massive amounts of food in and drink that much mead

01:35:24.780 and um this is where it kind of gets a little funny with uh the justifications um

01:35:32.940 Um, so, uh, in 26, um, hard by there sat the serving maid wise who, well, she answered

01:35:50.100 the giant's words from food has Freya eight nights fasted.

01:35:55.940 So hot was her longing for Jotunheim.

01:35:59.160 So generally, this is clearly the serving maid or the maid of honor is referencing Loki and he is speaking and he tries to kind of run interference.

01:36:09.580 and the number eight presenting to the idea that the ninth night is here um where the everything

01:36:18.580 is fulfilled um but he's he's saying oh she hasn't eaten since she found out she was going to be your

01:36:28.180 bride and she was so nervous and he's just running interference on this one and then

01:36:35.900 thrym in 27 looked beneath the veil for he longed to kiss but back he leapt the length of the hall

01:36:46.380 why are you so fearful the eyes of freya fire me thinks from her eyes burnt forth

01:36:54.440 so he you know he peeks up the veil perhaps there is a uh an under veil over the nose and mouth but 0.97

01:37:02.540 the eye veil goes up

01:37:04.860 and the blazing

01:37:06.380 eyes of the Storm

01:37:09.100 Father, you know,

01:37:10.720 streak out and he jumps

01:37:13.040 and I love the fact they say like he jumps

01:37:15.120 the length of the hall.

01:37:17.880 And in 28,

01:37:19.780 again,

01:37:20.480 before we go there, I think this is a really

01:37:23.220 I don't know, something I always

01:37:27.280 thought was cool that I don't think

01:37:29.300 is

01:37:30.980 i don't know talked about enough or or well enough known by folks is that

01:37:41.860 that very standout element of thor is the like flashing like

01:37:51.200 when when thor's when someone looks into thor's eyes and he's in a rage

01:38:00.000 that's mentioned a number of times in our lore

01:38:04.460 that that's like this terrifying gaze

01:38:07.820 that has this, you know,

01:38:10.700 of Thor's many powers,

01:38:12.620 that is a big part of it

01:38:14.340 is his like crazy flashing eyes of rage

01:38:18.380 when he's upset.

01:38:20.380 And I think we see it a number of times.

01:38:24.160 I mean, the one that comes to mind the most 0.99

01:38:27.240 is when he's when thialfi breaks one of his goat's leg bones and eats the marrow because 0.99

01:38:34.680 he's not paying attention and like the terror stricken upon mortals by like you know a glimpse

01:38:42.520 into thor's eyes and in the poetic like telling of this absurd story of this wedding feast you

01:38:48.920 know guy goes in to steal a kiss from his prospective bride and like is greeted by the

01:38:55.400 the most terrifying gaze that,

01:38:57.780 that strikes fear in the hearts of gods and men alike.

01:39:03.280 It just adds to the over the top juxtaposition that makes this,

01:39:08.220 that makes this a comedy.

01:39:12.520 Yeah. And I like to, in the statuary,

01:39:14.920 it's always very much emphasized with Lord Thor,

01:39:19.060 the kind of the brown eyes is that flashing stare.

01:39:25.400 so in 28

01:39:33.120 hard by there sat 1.00

01:39:37.120 the serving maid wise 1.00

01:39:38.980 so well she answered

01:39:41.260 the giant's words

01:39:42.480 no sleep has Freya for eight

01:39:45.240 nights found so hot

01:39:47.260 was her longing for Jotunay

01:39:49.300 she hasn't slept

01:39:51.580 because she's just been

01:39:53.280 worrying about

01:39:54.320 you know coming here and being married and you know being embraced in your strong arms 0.86

01:40:01.300 so then the uh in 29 soon came the giant's luckless sister who feared not to ask the bridal 0.61

01:40:12.620 fee from thy hands the rings of red gold take if thou wouldst win my willing love

01:40:21.040 my willing love and welcome glad so here is an interesting like part of this the the bride's

01:40:34.140 gift generally there was dowry and there was uh that which the the bride brought with her

01:40:43.800 and then there was that which was given to her or given to her family um and in this case you know

01:40:52.400 it's a lot of people would think like oh a bride fee is given to the father because you know women

01:40:58.380 were purchased or something like that no in reality the bride fee is that when a woman leaves

01:41:05.740 a household she leaves a huge gap in production survivability and the idea was was that you as

01:41:17.560 a husband were to pay that family um money to compensate the loss of the survivability 0.99

01:41:25.900 it would help them because losing a member of their household and men too but women especially

01:41:35.160 um losing that is detrimental so gaining something to fill that in um you know where

01:41:47.340 guild is the same thing though and it's just expressed in a different way

01:41:53.080 one thing that is fundamental and we talk about this from time to time on this program too

01:41:59.080 It's the idea of justice in our faith.

01:42:04.820 The idea of justice is rebalancing the scales.

01:42:12.000 We talk about it a lot in, I don't know, it probably used to be more common than it is now,

01:42:19.660 with the idea of paying one's debt to society.

01:42:23.840 Sitting, languishing in prison doesn't pay a debt to anything.

01:42:29.320 what was fundamental to our ancestors was compensation for value so a huge

01:42:38.200 concept that we understand and that they understood was the idea of worth worth

01:42:47.160 has been devolved down to us as like a nebulous concept of you know how cool of a guy thinks fun

01:42:58.440 is it had those elements to it but it had a lot more tangible value as well that's

01:43:08.840 if there is a case of someone slew a member of your family that's one less guy to stand in the

01:43:18.040 shield wall when stuff goes down that's one less guy to bring in the harvest that's one less guy

01:43:25.000 to help tend the flocks that's one less set of hands to protect and watch after the farmstead

01:43:32.600 or watch after the children or to man the boat or to do any of these things there's a tangible value

01:43:39.240 in the loss of manpower by one of yours being lost on top of that there's a reputation loss

01:43:46.200 there's a loss of tangible things that you can equate to something and in an attempt to make it

01:43:52.920 right you can try to rebalance it with something of an equivalent value if you were taking someone's

01:44:00.760 daughter who is a valuable part of his family and a valuable part of his clan their personal farm

01:44:08.920 economy you know if it's a lord the administration of his servants of his thralls of whatever that

01:44:17.240 was a vital member of his household is being taken from him and compensating that for that gap has

01:44:27.240 a value so we see it in you know in a happy occasion with with the marriage and in a more

01:44:33.400 negative occasion with the idea of wear guilt but it's the same idea of balancing scales and that

01:44:41.560 that that's fundamental when we examine other situations and how to handle you know

01:44:52.520 discrepancies in value where somebody has taken something or added something

01:44:58.280 it goes into our understanding of the gift cycle in a way as well so it's kind of a

01:45:03.160 fundamental concept to just put a pin in and remember as we go through other other parts of our

01:45:08.680 more i think too one thing the luckless sister who feared not to ask that that's an um

01:45:24.280 that's an interesting point too about the

01:45:29.560 the kind of i guess maybe social more as to whether or not

01:45:34.920 that is to be asked in a certain way at a certain time and it's just like no no no if you if you

01:45:40.920 you know you want to win my love you know pay it up and um it's just it's kind of funny

01:45:47.880 there but this next stanza brings up some great points um

01:45:55.720 in 30 then loud spake threem the giants leader bring in the hammer to hallow the bride

01:46:03.320 On the maiden's knees let Mjolnir lie that us both, the band of Vor, and I'm just saying that because that's the way it's written, but we'll talk about that in a second, may bless.

01:46:18.760 So another great point that people need to get about our stories is why would they conduct a wedding like this? 0.77

01:46:30.340 this is a human wedding this is clearly not a wedding of you know it's like how could they

01:46:39.320 bless the brides of any jotens if they never had the hammer until this moment what it is is that

01:46:46.160 our our mythos really does have a lot of parts to it and it holds certain things that uh carry on

01:46:55.300 to today. And it's because of this that we have our blessing of the bride and groom

01:47:04.960 with the hammer, the invoking of vaura or vaur at the altar, and then placing the hammer

01:47:14.080 in the bride's lap during the feast. These things are brought about because the stories kept them.

01:47:25.300 and it made them relatable um everyone would understand what this meant so when Thrym says

01:47:33.120 you know bring out the hammer we're going to place it in her lap and it you know to call the blessing 0.97

01:47:38.700 of Thor why would they have to do that if they're the Jotuns but again that's not the point the point 0.99

01:47:45.140 is this is about how are the audience and humans would make it relatable and then the other is

01:47:52.080 specifically calling upon the dominion and if you look over in 30 on old in the old norse

01:47:58.740 it's uh vaurar v a with a dash r a r that dash is an owl sound so uh vour like a vow like a wedding

01:48:13.260 vow um she is the awesomia of weddings and she binds the oaths between lovers um into marriage

01:48:25.180 and they they call upon her the only difference is i think that you know they're not standing up

01:48:33.300 or at an altar or what have you this is just simply at the feasting table but one thing i

01:48:38.720 think is important to notice, and this is kind of, and Svans pointed this out in a couple other

01:48:43.820 pieces that we've done too. One of the ways that you know to separate, because I think that

01:48:49.920 when I say some of the etic poems are like faithful retellings of myth in a

01:48:59.220 up front like this is relating a divine tale stories versus this is a fun play for the audience

01:49:13.980 stories matt you're just you know you're just picking the ones you like and saying those are the

01:49:18.740 the real ones the other ones are just the poetic exercises

01:49:22.540 not so but you got to look for these little these little hints and these little pieces

01:49:29.620 and like swan just pointed out it was meant to be funny and for you to understand

01:49:37.220 and the human custom of weddings as you invoked another point to the multi-dimensionality of our

01:49:44.680 gods. Thor doesn't just destroy and, you know, is not just slayer of giants and champion of

01:49:52.780 Asgard. He also sanctifies. And the idea of his hammer blessing the womb of a new bride

01:50:00.920 to ensure fertility and to convey blessing is really important. That's just how you do a wedding. 0.95

01:50:10.400 So you do wedding stuff in your wedding scene for your wedding party, your play on what you're doing to us that are viewing it in this very specific context and trying to mine it for more value.

01:50:25.260 You see the absurdity of Thor sitting there and, you know, the bride's womb needs to be blessed by his hammer.

01:50:38.720 it's you know it's absurd they would have just called thor to officiate their wedding if that

01:50:45.120 were you know the case in the in the setting of this if it were a retelling of lore that would

01:50:52.720 make sense instead they're having having a human wedding with this symbol of of thor to do this

01:51:01.360 but that's you know those are the kind of things you pick up on as

01:51:08.320 as what light to view the story in. Yeah, go ahead.

01:51:17.760 Okay. So let me see. Yes. So in 31,

01:51:26.800 the heart in the breast of low rivi laughed when the hard sold one his hammer beheld.

01:51:36.000 first three the king of the giants he killed then all the folk of the giants he felled so

01:51:45.200 i love this part in his in his heart he started to laugh because as soon as the hammer was placed

01:51:52.540 in his lap um and i always you know tell the story as if you know once he grabs the hammer

01:51:59.120 and the lightning kind of like burns the bridal dress away and um and you know everyone starts

01:52:06.200 scrambling over the tables and trying to get back because they suddenly realize you know as the veil

01:52:11.780 burns and and and it's thor not not freya um and the first thing he does is he turns around and he

01:52:20.520 you know bashes thrym's face in with the hammer and then he you know again hard sold one the one

01:52:30.800 who has uh in the the word is used is hard who got it uh who there uh which is who the um a part

01:52:40.980 the soul um it's his he just i love the fact that they refer to him as the hard sold one he's a

01:52:52.020 warrior and a killer of his enemies so he just laughs when he gets his chance now his time has

01:53:00.980 come and he violently fells everyone in the hall um so i one we have very little left i want to

01:53:12.260 have spawn go ahead and cap this off but this is always just very much reminds me of the moment

01:53:22.900 that odin reveals himself when he's between the two flames and he's being treated as this like

01:53:30.100 ill-intentioned beggar and his true identity starts to shine through all that moment of 0.95

01:53:36.660 realization where the the disguise melts away and you're in the presence of an house in full

01:53:45.700 might and glory i in both cases in full vengeful rage um and it's a really powerful uh really

01:53:56.900 powerful really cool singing and that as a matter of fact is the image used for you know the

01:54:04.100 advertisement of the show carry on oh no and this next uh made me realize something so there was one

01:54:12.260 problem and i spoke about it there there is the compensation for the bride there is also when the

01:54:18.820 bride brings money especially to compensate for the feast and for the wedding itself that was also

01:54:26.900 pretty much expected to be from the male's side of the family.

01:54:32.940 The male was supposed to provide the feast and provide the place 0.78

01:54:37.880 and that the bride was supposed to give a small amount of money

01:54:41.100 from her side of the family to the groom 0.93

01:54:45.220 in order to help compensate for the celebration.

01:54:49.700 And that's what this one is about.

01:54:51.540 Sorry, I got it mixed up.

01:54:52.860 And I was also reading here, too, because in the speaking of 28 and this one, hard by there sat the serving mating wise is that down in the notes, it talks about that the serving made the usage of the word wise or the worst of the usage of the word old.

01:55:14.420 and then here it connects to the word old again so and i this is like this is savage like the way 0.52

01:55:25.880 it's written in 32 the giant sister old he slew who had begged for the bridal fee a stroke she

01:55:34.100 got in the shilling's stead. So instead, so she got crushed in the face instead of getting the, 0.96

01:55:44.340 the gold she greedily, you know, asked for. Um, and for many rings, the might of the hammer.

01:55:53.300 And so his hammer got Othyn's son. And that's, it, it's just,

01:56:00.780 it it it's it comes to a aurora's end it's awesome um i love telling this story the literal

01:56:12.140 and the figurative sense i love telling this story this is one of my favorite stories to tell

01:56:19.080 um to the kids when we do story time um you know just just just describing you know lightning

01:56:28.460 bolts cracking the pillars of the house as you know lighting things on fire and people are

01:56:34.380 screaming and jumping out of the windows and uh etc and you know and um yeah and then he you know

01:56:44.000 he comes back out and uh loki's kind of backing up in the mud as he just walks out and he's like

01:56:51.480 remember no one steals my hammer and then he just keeps walking um the uh the the this poem is really

01:57:03.560 really cool it's one of my favorites the way it's written the way it translates um and that just

01:57:11.880 even that last line instead of getting a coin she got a hammer strike is really good but yeah um

01:57:21.480 outside of that i mean and just it's abrupt end though is kind of the only thing i i wish there

01:57:29.720 was a little bit of an outro but there isn't ended uh reading up in the intro here for bellows and

01:57:35.700 this is something that i found interesting is um in here in the notes there they were speaking of

01:57:44.740 the the that this poem was suspected to be uh from the 900s but i was also reading

01:57:54.600 somewhere about the speculation on the storyteller and i think i might have been mistaken by that

01:58:03.680 um i was i was going to you know speak of the the fact that snorri had listed the

01:58:10.380 um the goddesses and there is generally like little known but that this storyteller this poet

01:58:19.420 um you know also uh referenced her as well especially connected to weddings um but i can't

01:58:27.100 maybe it was somewhere else i was reading um the the poet the the storyteller that brought

01:58:35.500 or made this story renowned so that's not he could write it down um in referencing to um

01:58:45.900 uh var there's another thing too that doesn't go on in the story but you will see it in other

01:58:53.100 stories is again i mentioned when when uh heimdall says to loki in a lot of the stories he says you

01:59:01.740 know you're going to dress up as the bridesmaid to kind of get one back at him and that clearly

01:59:06.460 doesn't happen but i know where this the people rewriting the poems get that from and that is

01:59:14.940 because there's a long-standing rivalry and it is already spoken of the fact that heimdall

01:59:20.380 will face against loki in the end in ragnarok and that really comes if anybody's interested

01:59:30.140 is looking up in the the poem is called hus draupa uh h-u-s-d-r-a-p-a that's the

01:59:38.780 that story has references to again thor's um fishing trip and it also has um

01:59:47.820 uh balder's drama and it also has an unknown story that a lot of people don't realize and

01:59:55.980 it's the fight between heimdall and loki and that's a really cool one uh because loki steals um

02:00:05.900 quit giving away spoilers nah i'm trying to entice trying to entice

02:00:12.700 all right guys appreciate that appreciate you guys going with us on that journey uh we will

02:00:20.060 have svan back in two weeks time and we will go through the volander volander um in the meantime

02:00:32.300 did get a couple of questions i want to go ahead and address for y'all um next week's episode is

02:00:40.380 going to be the final for a while in our series of um hoff district leadership folks so njordshoff

02:00:53.260 district will be represented one week from today with many of their fine luminaries on here to

02:01:00.780 tell you a little bit about njordshoff itself and the district that it heads up

02:01:06.460 uh-huh that said couple couple few things um

02:01:16.300 first even hammer are there any updates on the new afa bloat book um

02:01:25.100 sure in the fact that there are currently not plans to put out a afa bloat book as such there

02:01:32.860 There are plans to put out more AFA materials in reference to in reference to ritual, certainly in reference to various spiritual topics.

02:01:43.760 There are a number of things working on. Matter of fact, something that I want to talk to witness fond perhaps tonight after this broadcast about.

02:01:52.260 But as far as a book of bloats, that's not something currently in our plan.

02:01:58.040 Trent, Goethe Trent East, Witten's Fawn, excuse me, Witten's Fawn, can you elaborate on why you call the Valknut the binding knot?

02:02:11.000 oh wow he's he's pulling that from another from our uh social media on the other side of the

02:02:22.300 internet um yeah well one of the uh i've seen articles where people have written we don't know

02:02:32.440 the meaning of the Valknaut, and it could have perhaps no meaning at all. But the substantiation

02:02:41.820 of lore built around it by our, the predecessors or the foundations of Ausatru, founder McNallan

02:02:51.320 and the folks around there, I think have lent a great deal of thought. And this has built

02:02:59.260 that understanding. I think that symbols have the ability to take meaning, even if perhaps we don't

02:03:06.320 know exactly why they were written in older times. But the Valknaut is a knot. And the idea of a knot

02:03:16.500 being a binding to being something that ties itself. The symbol there alone, I clearly associate

02:03:27.360 with more than just that, that it is the tripartite that is Lord Odin. It is Odin,

02:03:33.620 Vili, and Vey. It is more than simply that, but to wear the Valkna is the symbol of binding

02:03:42.260 Lord Odin, or not binding Lord Odin, correction, sorry, binding oneself to Lord Odin through your

02:03:50.780 faith through your devotion. And a lot of folks have always kind of said, you know, when you do

02:03:57.380 that, do it with great caution, because you could end up, you know, in the machinations of Lord

02:04:05.860 Odin, and those sometimes don't always, you know, pan out well for the person or what have you.

02:04:12.980 And that, again, comes from, you know, the folly of many a hero have thought that they were going

02:04:19.640 to walk into, uh, victory and Lord Odin had his own plans. The biggest thing is, is it binds you

02:04:28.800 to Lord Odin. All of the, um, the artwork that's associated with it is that it's done over a

02:04:37.180 sacrifice. It's done over warriors traveling, uh, over the boat, uh, possibly being a reference to

02:04:45.180 death, and also over Lord Odin himself riding Sleipnir. So those three things being kind of

02:04:52.040 connected with this imagery has led, obviously, the symbol to being connected to Lord Odin.

02:04:59.720 But then the expounded thought as foundation came, now as the truth started to establish itself,

02:05:06.420 was that knot binds you to Gordo. It's a sign of devotion. I think it's important that we

02:05:16.300 look at the symbols this way, and I hate people that try to come in and say,

02:05:21.340 you know, well, actually, we don't know these symbols. Symbols become or have their own power.

02:05:31.640 it had you know a person seeing a symbol in our ancestral times may have had a different

02:05:38.920 understanding of it but it was still a meaning of a symbol in their time they may not have heard

02:05:46.920 the story or read the internet article that explained what it meant but to them it had

02:05:52.680 meaning it's still the same here and i think that's the beauty of symbols the fluidity of their

02:05:58.600 meanings um and everyone's so hard to try to say oh no this this symbol means just this

02:06:07.880 all the time without any consideration towards the folk and the people that perceive it and how

02:06:13.640 it works within their culture you know we look at the swastika and you know we see the meaning

02:06:20.120 with uh asians or with native americans or with um the germanic folk it's it has a lot of

02:06:30.200 different meanings and people try to pigeonhole it so that's what i meant it binds you to lord

02:06:35.820 it's your devotion it's your faith and your willingness to be um utilized in the overall

02:06:47.000 determinations of Lord Odin

02:06:51.380 staving off Ragnarok

02:06:54.980 and what have you. That's

02:06:58.380 the simplest one I can say.

02:07:04.120 I don't know if you have anything on that, Osirgothi, about

02:07:07.200 kind of just the

02:07:09.520 speculations and people putting out things where they're like, oh, the runes don't have

02:07:15.200 meaning and and the valk knot doesn't have meaning and nothing they just kind of dissolve

02:07:21.760 and resist uh the overall flow of a lot of things 0.96

02:07:28.960 yeah people are silly um this is kind of

02:07:39.040 so there's we go back to the theme of direction now 0.98

02:07:43.040 The Valknot is a thing

02:07:52.360 Like we see it

02:07:54.100 It exists

02:07:55.040 It's on stuff

02:07:57.200 Your ignorance to its meaning

02:08:02.260 Doesn't justify

02:08:04.440 Pretending it doesn't have meaning 0.98

02:08:07.540 And when I say your ignorance 0.98

02:08:10.060 I don't mean whoever's saying this nonsense 0.99

02:08:12.920 I mean any of us. It's foolish and it's arrogance to look at ancient symbols that you don't know 0.98

02:08:27.280 what they meant and pretend they meant nothing. And it's also laziness and an abdication of your 0.99

02:08:38.580 arian birthright for you not to delve into what those meanings are well i guess we can't be sure 0.84

02:08:44.740 who's to say right well cool swan and i are the same and anybody who wants to take a serious

02:08:54.900 lifelong pursuit of our gods and our faith you know their thoughts are welcome on it but

02:09:02.720 who's to say the person who wants to step out and take up their birthright and live as noble

02:09:11.520 Aryan men and women choosing not to make a decision on anything because you'll never have

02:09:17.600 that perfect answer is silly is our modern understanding of the Valknot the same as it was 1.00

02:09:25.620 to you know olaf the viking from you know best of fjord way back when probably not

02:09:38.660 is our associating it with odin something that you know spin the viking in a cave in

02:09:46.980 smauland might think absolutely um

02:09:54.260 we especially on this topic have been poisoned by academic

02:10:06.740 try not to be crass and figure out the best word for

02:10:10.020 academic uh self-satisfaction um to the point where we want to squabble over the

02:10:31.140 in some cases 20 percent in some cases two or three percent of something that we

02:10:38.340 aren't sure about rather than the worst case scenario 80 we are sure about or in often cases

02:10:47.300 97 that we are sure about but it's more fun to pick apart some little obscure thing

02:10:56.820 and cause contention over it because then you're innovative what good are you as an academic if

02:11:02.260 you repeat what everybody says for forever never mind that it's objectively true but it's cool and

02:11:09.620 you can have your own little theory and your own little book your own little whatever if you come

02:11:14.260 up with some crazy unorthodox nonsense and if you don't really believe in the gods then cool what

02:11:22.420 does it matter you come up with your whole new thing and you're awesome but if you do believe

02:11:28.020 in the gods then it matters tremendously um and i don't always think it's done dishonestly i think

02:11:35.860 very often we delude ourselves into you know just claiming that we believe without acting piously

02:11:49.460 and i think if we

02:11:50.820 that's the difference and it's done here in a dramatic reveal context in the story we read

02:12:00.140 tonight or in the story about Odin but the moment of the reveal to where you saw something you

02:12:07.600 thought was how it was and then disguise comes off and before you is the divine thunderer

02:12:16.240 your whole world changes and how you approach these questions changes when you're talking to 0.99

02:12:23.180 the homeless dude that you're torturing and you know being a jerk to because you got wind maybe 0.99

02:12:27.840 he's a spy about something when all of a sudden he stands tall and doesn't care about your torture 0.99

02:12:36.760 and your burning and he is the father of the Aryan race and he is the all father in his glory 0.79

02:12:44.000 nothing looks the same after that um the act of seriously interacting in your faith

02:12:56.220 and the moment when if you are fortunate enough that the divine interacts back is transformative

02:13:05.100 have i get frustrated at pettiness but i also

02:13:14.140 feel bad for folks that have orbited this for so much of their life without ever you know

02:13:25.180 they've danced around it and got close but they've never they've never sipped from the horn

02:13:29.420 once you do your eyes are open and they never is life's not the same again um

02:13:37.620 i suppose that is a poetic answer to not a poetic question but it flows into it flows

02:13:45.160 into some other things that i see in the queue over here that i think are are uh are meaningful

02:13:51.480 so

02:13:53.080 I just saw a question

02:13:57.560 here about

02:13:59.200 is it not called

02:14:03.340 Krungnir's Heart

02:14:04.540 no

02:14:07.100 it is not called

02:14:08.700 Krungnir's Heart

02:14:10.180 Krungnir's Heart is described as having

02:14:13.140 three, it's made of stone

02:14:15.540 and spiky with three

02:14:17.460 points

02:14:18.040 this

02:14:20.960 doesn't actually reference to anything as far as in relation to um the carvings themselves

02:14:32.700 and it doesn't explain how the interlocking triangles oftentimes depicted as um being

02:14:42.220 you know, thin interlocking bands, um, in relation to that. Um,

02:14:50.380 yeah, I just, I was looking up, uh, here, there was a professor in, of Icelandic,

02:14:57.720 uh, old Icelandic, and he was saying that, um, that, uh, in Scald Skarpismal,

02:15:05.640 um, Prongnir had a heart that is renowned, made of solid stone, spiky with three points,

02:15:11.300 Just like the symbol of the carving called Rangnir's heart has ever since been made. And he's making this proclamation based off the idea that the heart of stone being mentioned is pointy.

02:15:27.980 And I think that the jump is still too distant. Not only that, the stories, the story of Hangmir and Thor are pretty, pretty clear, straightforward.

02:15:42.000 So the, the stones that present the symbol, the Valknot have no correlation to any of that. Um, so unless there is an entirely like separated meaning from it, um, I would, you know, I would argue that, that they actually don't connect that, uh, the, the, the, the coincidence is in the spikiness and, uh, 0.84

02:16:12.000 and shape. And that being, of course, kind of lending more towards the deviancy

02:16:19.200 of his naturalness. I mean, yes, it is spiky, but the interlocking factor and the rest of the

02:16:35.140 pictures that it is associated with, being next to ravens, being above a sacrificial

02:16:42.040 right, I think has a lot more, you know, to be associated with it. I don't know.

02:16:53.680 All right. So random question from the Wolf Throne. Welcome back, Wolf Throne.

02:17:01.320 uh what are your thoughts on the carnivore diet people who try it swear it works uh

02:17:10.200 that it works wonders for fat loss and overall health um

02:17:17.800 no the guy that started it has recanted recently and like no that's terrible it destroyed my life

02:17:24.840 um i so 0.90

02:17:30.520 I don't think that fad diets are the way to go in general.

02:17:38.500 I think that if you have a health thing to where like maybe you're diabetic and you can't eat a lot of carbohydrates, then maybe veering toward the carnivore diet is really good for you.

02:17:49.400 um i think there's time and place to where you happen to eat more eat more meat and less carbs

02:18:00.080 and that probably works out really good for some people some of the time but one of the things that

02:18:04.960 is just truth we all are really different now we process foods based on our our needs based

02:18:13.320 on our genetics based on a lot of factors and these fad diets that are going to change your life

02:18:23.320 a lot of what changes your life is

02:18:26.600 exercise and not being a fan and a lot of people don't want to hear that

02:18:34.800 they're like aha but if i stop eating bread then magically and you're right if you have a really

02:18:42.200 heavy carbohydrate diet and you cut all the carbs out and you change your entire processing system

02:18:48.600 to fat and protein that will probably dramatically affect you in the short term

02:18:55.000 but as far as like a long-term long-term lifestyle choice i don't think that's particularly

02:19:02.120 sustainable and i don't think it's optimal i think increasing your meat intake is probably

02:19:10.360 always a good thing unless you have some kind of a health condition but again i think most of the

02:19:16.520 fad diet things are good to shake stuff up and and here's so here's the other thing your body

02:19:23.240 be it exercise or diet and again all within reason shaking things up and doing things a

02:19:30.360 really different way than your body's used to that's what makes you grow and adapt in ways so

02:19:37.000 So if your muscles aren't responding and you're not growing and you're not doing stuff, completely changing your rep range or what exercises you're doing or your frequency, all of that shakes things up and is a catalyst to start that change.

02:19:54.300 That's awesome.

02:19:55.740 On your fat loss stuff, you stagnate because you do the same cardio all the time.

02:20:00.280 Cool.

02:20:00.680 Do something real different.

02:20:01.760 even if it's not what the book says is optimal if it's real different than what you've been doing

02:20:07.000 and your body all of a sudden has to do this new thing to adapt to and you're keeping your body

02:20:12.480 guessing keeps a lot of those processes that you want to get in better shape happening

02:20:17.780 but i mean at a certain point your carnivore diet becomes old hat your body is used to it

02:20:25.600 it optimizes the best way to process under that system it does the best it can with it

02:20:31.040 you miss out on a lot of delicious things and then at some point i think you find yourself

02:20:36.720 with kind of an energy deficit and anytime you have a really exclusionary diet of stuff

02:20:45.600 over time you may discover that you're lacking a micronutrient uh vitamin a mineral something

02:20:52.560 that you're missing. And when you're cutting out carbohydrates, our bodies are so evolved to use

02:20:58.440 carbohydrates for growth, for energy, for a lot of stuff. You know, I would not advise that. But

02:21:05.700 again, I've heard a lot of people that love it. Most of the people that I've heard say that are

02:21:11.100 people who have been on the carnivore diet for a couple of months, not people that are, you know,

02:21:16.640 10 years into the carnivore diet uh what are your thoughts fun i'm kind of on the opposite

02:21:23.200 of the end of the spectrum i'm a i'm a i'm a believer if you will um i uh mainly got into

02:21:32.000 understanding a lot about the carnivore diet via um there is a doctor on youtube i can't

02:21:40.080 i can't recall his name right now he's talking about lubricating no no he's got red hair very

02:21:45.600 southern accent um and i i really wish i could remember his name right now um i'm actually kind

02:21:54.240 of like peaking um to see if he's in my feed anywhere um yeah no i i mean i am a huge believer

02:22:05.280 i think that ethno um biology is important i think that certain people can process carbs a

02:22:12.240 a lot better than other people can. I think that, um, again, that could also apply in the other

02:22:18.880 direction. Um, meat and protein can be processed, um, better by certain people more than others.

02:22:26.160 Um, but yeah, it's, it's very hard to maintain that diet. And I think the diet is really two

02:22:33.840 things. One is in rejection to all the lies that we've been told by the, the nutritional governmental

02:22:42.080 powers that be, you know, butter is bad, eat margarine, et cetera, et cetera. So a lot of

02:22:47.340 folks that go into the carnivore diet are against the lies they've been told. Eggs are bad. You

02:22:53.580 know, butter is bad. You know, eat less fat because fat makes you fat. Those are all lies.

02:23:01.580 It's all been proven to be lies. Pause for a second. I just want to say

02:23:07.100 up to this point i agree with what you're saying i think there's a lot of overlap in where you and

02:23:13.240 i are going but i think it's a little bit different please carry on well and and yeah so i see a lot

02:23:20.640 of folks that do carnivore diet are coming from that point of rejection um and and the other half

02:23:28.380 is that it's a an attempt of a an experiment to see and i think that the body does

02:23:36.300 you know, go into, you know, ketogenetic, um, like mode. And I know that a lot of nutritionists

02:23:46.460 will always say, you know, that's going to kill you. But a lot of these folks don't because the

02:23:50.900 body adapts, just like, uh, as you said, it actually, the body can convert meat into sugar.

02:23:58.420 um and it it's been noted to happen and that's the body adapting um like the neogenesis yes

02:24:06.520 but it's very inefficient right well and i think most people at the end of the day

02:24:15.940 the carnivore diet i think most folks will end up adapting it sometimes they place in

02:24:23.140 um small amounts of carbohydrates or whether it's like mushrooms or they add like milk raw milk

02:24:30.660 whatever as a form of glucose into their bodies you see a lot of folks start off hard and heavy

02:24:37.300 with just simply beef eggs and butter when they're trying to lose weight and when they attain the

02:24:42.880 weight they want they become a little bit more loose in their interpretations of the carnivore

02:24:47.580 diet. Um, and I think that's more of the reality, um, then, you know, what you might see on

02:24:54.880 Instagram or, or what have you. Um, but ultimately the lie of being told to that, you know, fatty

02:25:02.960 cheeses, fatty yogurts, fatty dairy, fatty meats, um, butter and all that stuff. Oh, it's all

02:25:11.200 terrible for you. You got to go to a grain diet and you gotta, um, you gotta eat no fat because

02:25:16.800 fat makes you fat and et cetera that has caused such a huge marring effect on society that those

02:25:24.920 that start to kind of wake up and and go back to eating those foods um realize wow it's like it has

02:25:32.040 such a great effect um me personally i think that there is another diet that happened a long time

02:25:39.220 ago called the south beach diet and it had a really interesting point about entering into

02:25:44.540 ketosis and use it utilizing a like a two-week period um so it in essence turned the carnivore

02:25:52.600 diet into a a time block in order for you to reset your insulin and liver your reset your liver for

02:26:00.800 insulin production and i think that's a huge key um and then you kind of start to broaden your

02:26:07.360 scopes from there so i mean is it the true and only right way no but i think it has a lot of

02:26:16.800 good things a lot of good potential um yeah just hearing about like the uh i forgot the name of

02:26:25.700 the doctor that i was speaking of but and you know the lie that we were always told if you eat meat

02:26:29.860 it's gonna rot in your colon and he broke it down how biologically it never even breaches your

02:26:36.860 large intestine. It's completely absorbed by the body. And so stuff like that has really led

02:26:43.340 people to go, man, these nutritionists of old knew nothing. And we're even lying about it.

02:26:50.940 Whereas, you know, now with a lot of quantifiable evidence, they can point that, you know, the,

02:26:58.020 the breakdown of, of meat, the breakdown of fats versus, you know, carbohydrates you know,

02:27:04.540 certain carbohydrates that you know affect your intestines or affect your um your joints um

02:27:11.260 that brings it all into question so if you get into that i think it opens you up to understand

02:27:16.300 a lot of things do you know onions garlic all that stuff i think is really great but some of

02:27:23.900 the stuff that people are eating especially like peanuts i don't think are particularly good for

02:27:28.860 the body are they gonna kill you unless you got an allergy but um no but you know joint inflammation

02:27:36.140 a lot of your gut health is so huge 0.74

02:27:44.540 the don't eat processed crap diet i think makes a lot of sense

02:27:51.180 um all carbohydrates aren't built the same i think something really interesting 0.91

02:27:58.620 is when you have baked products like you know bakery stuff bread stuff pastry stuff

02:28:09.020 here in the united states it's drastically different than its european version

02:28:17.260 and it's really interesting like the density of the bread if you go over there's bread

02:28:21.820 all the time none of the people are fatties or very few of them and they're eating a lot of

02:28:27.260 bread and the bread's delicious and it's awesome and it's dense and it's nutritious a lot of the

02:28:35.020 modern processes of doing stuff and hey i eat crap all of the time i've got a huge sweet tooth

02:28:41.420 i love snacks like i'll get to that here in a second but the idea of hey if you can cut all of

02:28:49.500 that out cool carbohydrates are important they are optimal for energy now all of the things fawn said

02:28:59.340 uh cholesterol is awesome like if you have a particular problem to where you need to be mindful

02:29:07.420 of a type of it for a reason don't get me wrong don't clog your heart no boom that said

02:29:13.340 but people have been lying to us for a long time animal fats are awesome and they're really

02:29:23.100 important especially for men i'm not sure if this applies the same for ladies when it comes to

02:29:30.060 hormone production but especially to men's sexual health and men's hormone health fats are essential

02:29:38.940 to that, especially the children and folks who are growing brain tissue, fats are extremely

02:29:49.000 important. Meat is awesome. We should eat tons of meat. I am all about eating an obscene

02:29:56.300 quantity of meat. Don't get me wrong. Post-physique or no critique, I'm saying.

02:30:04.240 car don't be fatty eat good stuff if you're so here's the thing if you if you take

02:30:19.200 if you take someone who does not exercise if you don't exercise and you don't do things

02:30:28.320 you just sit on the couch and shovel in meat and eggs and say look at me ma i'm healthy

02:30:34.240 carnivore diet's not going to help you very much but you can also go and be like michael phelps

02:30:42.680 and he can eat whatever he wants he can just just shovel in mcdonald's and he's doing fine

02:30:49.300 because in the pool all day every day putting in work so there is a every we have seen this

02:30:58.480 since people started being more aware of fitness and the gym

02:31:03.580 and working out and dieting and such.

02:31:08.160 There is lots of diets that work really well.

02:31:12.560 There are a lot of right ways to do it,

02:31:15.620 but the fundamental truth that is not escapable,

02:31:20.080 you need to consume less calories than you are utilizing

02:31:26.040 if you want to lose weight.

02:31:29.440 And you need to consume more calories than you are using if you would like to gain weight.

02:31:37.880 If you want to gain muscle, your body needs to have stimulus to send it a signal to say, hey, our current muscle is insufficient.

02:31:46.280 If you want to lose fat, you need to send stimulus to your body that says our current energy reserves are insufficient and we need to access our stored body fat.

02:31:58.480 there's a bajillion right ways to do it every new person who wants to write a book can tell

02:32:05.760 you some new fancy way to do it consistency is key and the more varied your diet

02:32:14.420 within reason and of healthy whole food the more you get a wide variety of things to build

02:32:23.480 and to fill in holes. The more you make your diet super specific, where you only eat this one kind

02:32:30.400 of thing every day, make a live off. It's like potatoes. Somebody's like, I could live off

02:32:35.020 potatoes. Yeah, it's better than starvation, but it's not an optimal health. This is a long time

02:32:41.520 on the carnivore diet, but I think it's something that probably interests the both of us. So we

02:32:46.940 throw it out there. It's not bad, but I wouldn't try to religiously stick to it for a really long

02:32:52.540 time and i think that people who do sometimes run into chronic fatigue issues and some other stuff

02:32:58.940 make sure you check into a doctor if you got the insurance on it make sure you're getting

02:33:02.380 blood tests and other stuff and see where you're at and make adjustments accordingly

02:33:07.420 um again neither spawn nor myself are doctors so do not take this as any prescription for the

02:33:14.780 you know healthy way to to live and avoid disease this is just advice from some folks

02:33:19.740 that are out here trying to live our life and you know 40 40 plus years in with some things

02:33:27.180 that have worked and things that happen again i think i have offended champion of the first nations

02:33:33.900 champion of meat only the son of iceland he must he has returned from his glacial cave of rotted shark

02:33:45.100 only rotten shark no i i've been drinking these waters and they're they're really running through

02:33:54.620 me um ballpark figure on what it will cost to construct tears off this is a fine question it's

02:34:04.860 a really it's a very different question um so some of you may not know um

02:34:17.820 we have purchased property at the very very end of 2022 in like december 2022

02:34:27.100 called Sigurheim. It is, you know, just about 70 acres of, about 70 acres of property in central

02:34:41.020 Tennessee. It is amazing and beautiful and fantastic. And a number of us are going to

02:34:50.080 move there. One of the other things we're doing there is going to serve as kind of an AFA capital,

02:34:54.280 not kind of it's going to serve as the afa capital um eventually and for those that don't

02:35:01.980 know a large part of the property consists of two fields up front then a lot of it is kind of hilly

02:35:10.160 towards a majestic ridge line and on the top of the ridge we're going to construct a hoff to tier

02:35:19.700 down in the valley we are going to construct a great hall to be the afa mead hall

02:35:27.060 and center of afa activity so the top of the ridge we're dealing with limited space

02:35:35.600 so that's one thing that constrains and gives a little bit of an idea towards cost

02:35:42.220 because it can only have so big of a footprint on top of that ridge

02:35:46.260 um unlike the all all four other hoffs and we will have a fifth half before we're

02:35:57.140 embarking on on that tears off we'll have a phrase off but unlike any of the by then

02:36:04.380 previous five hoffs which we will have purchased that are existing structures tears off is going

02:36:10.980 be built from the ground up so a lot of decisions need to be made between now and then that prevent

02:36:17.860 me from giving you a real accurate ballpark um we have to so okay so one of the factors

02:36:30.180 is getting a navigable by by truck road that's not fair you could get up there in a

02:36:38.020 four by four now so a navigable by car reliable road from the uh street that the property is on

02:36:49.380 up to the ridge line along the ridge line to where we are putting off now there is an existing

02:36:58.500 very very rough logging like atv kind of road that gets us up there which is fine for walking

02:37:06.980 up there in the immediacy but as far as any equipment that we need to have up there and so

02:37:13.060 forth we're going to need something that's a little bit better so getting that constructed

02:37:20.180 is a certain amount of cost the building itself depending on what we do the square footage can't be

02:37:27.220 that enormous but there's a lot of really pretty things and fun architectural things that we have

02:37:35.460 planned for it that we would like to do so it's really hard you're asking me a specific question

02:37:41.860 i'm not going to dodge your question but my guess is really wide um i'm going to guess 200 000

02:37:54.580 it might be substantially less than that i don't know it all depends on if we have friends that

02:38:01.060 that can provide any of the labor, any of the design work,

02:38:06.080 any of the material work, a lot of that will pretend.

02:38:10.440 Because like I say, it's not a money.

02:38:13.340 Everything does come down to resources,

02:38:16.180 but it's not a purchasing something that's turnkey.

02:38:20.020 It's a constructing something over time to where we want it.

02:38:24.140 It's a really different thing

02:38:25.580 than we've ever embarked on before.

02:38:27.780 So I can't give you a much more accurate than that

02:38:30.800 other than that we're super excited about it and that's likely though quite a ways away first we

02:38:37.280 need to pay off New York's off we have somebody who contributed during the course of this program

02:38:42.320 they donated on the site and I don't know if they want their name shown but we really appreciate

02:38:46.940 them they donated 130 dollars tonight towards paying off New York's off so we are that much

02:38:52.820 closer we get closer every single week um but we got to pay off nordshoff then we've got to

02:39:00.800 get put it out in last month's room stone I think I have it cool we need to raise our monthly income

02:39:10.340 by an average of 9.88 percent and once we have done that we will be able and in a position to

02:39:19.640 Get Frey's Hoff. So that's something we're absolutely working on. But what I'm saying is we got to pay off New York's Hoff. Then we have to get to an economic spot where it's responsible to get Frey's Hoff because the challenge right now isn't getting the money to establish a Hoff, but it's to be a responsible steward of that Hoff and to take care of it and to have the sustainable income to maintain it.

02:39:45.680 Because once we get it, it's a commitment.

02:39:47.580 It's a commitment to one of our gods that we're going to maintain their sacred place here in Midgard.

02:39:53.880 So we want to be up to that commitment before we do that.

02:39:58.120 And then we'll get it.

02:39:59.900 Then we'll pay it off.

02:40:01.800 And then, and only then, we'll start the actual groundbreaking for Tears Off.

02:40:08.000 So it is still a ways off.

02:40:09.880 And we are currently planning.

02:40:12.380 Closer we get.

02:40:13.400 i'll have numbers a little bit better for you but it's something i'm always glad to talk about and

02:40:18.280 that i'm pretty excited about so um thank you for asking and keeping the keeping the interest up on

02:40:27.160 the wool throne there was talk on here a couple of weeks ago about the mormons in utah

02:40:33.560 with sigerheim and tearshoff being established will tennessee become the first house of truth state um

02:40:43.400 So I follow your analogy. It would be super cool if so many of our people moved to Tennessee that the majority of Tennessee are Alcantara.

02:40:53.840 That would be fantastic. I would love to see that.

02:40:58.620 They were going to a U.S. territory that wasn't established yet and kind of carved out their own thing.

02:41:06.500 We are going into the heartland of an established state in an established area.

02:41:11.660 So, yeah, I want it to be, you know, population wise.

02:41:15.660 I would love to have our folk move there and be a significant part of that community in that space.

02:41:23.660 And the more of us that move there, the better and the more represented we are.

02:41:27.660 I would love to see that happen.

02:41:29.660 I don't think it's quite the same equation, but it could become that in a different way.

02:41:35.660 way. Svon, do you have any thoughts on that? Is there anything that you've considered in

02:41:41.940 contemplating all this? Svon is muted.

02:41:57.400 Terribly sorry. One of the things that you brought up about

02:42:04.900 um that really struck me was in the beginning of the like the mormon church these these people

02:42:12.560 you know left from the east coast and traveled all the way across and we we talk about faith we

02:42:19.320 talk about the testaments to faith we talk about building temples to the gods but people won't

02:42:27.640 travel four hours to go to them it's not in their hometown it's not brought directly to them um

02:42:37.240 you know a lot of people think like aussitrew is big enough to where it should be built right

02:42:41.800 down the road for me so i could easily travel there um but you know like me and my family

02:42:49.080 travel four and a half hours um multiple times a month uh to get to our hof and um

02:42:57.640 So, you know, creating a testament like a state or a nation or, you know, like the like the Mormons did with Utah, kind of the direct collaboration between the two.

02:43:13.700 I would say it would only be possible if our people were able to bring that.

02:43:20.460 And at this point and at this stage, I don't think so.

02:43:23.860 um our folk have a real hard time i think modernity has really you know softened the

02:43:30.800 soles of their feet um there's a lot of folks who aren't willing to go that extra mile to move to a

02:43:40.880 place or to to travel again to travel even four hours away is kind of um too hard but um if there

02:43:49.500 are folks with enough gumption and enough uh drive and desire i do think something would become of it

02:43:57.580 as kind of a capstone a figurehead something that leads the rest of the way um a place to look to

02:44:05.340 as kind of a um i don't exemplary ness that could help hopefully encourage people to build stuff

02:44:15.880 near them and to mimic the the living the acting uh way of being there at sigurheim and then going

02:44:25.800 there and seeing that seeing how the people live knowing how they you know they have their lives

02:44:31.240 wanting to have that either moving there hopefully that inspires them to or to again kind of build

02:44:38.920 the communities they have in their area to to mimic it but as far as like i was the true folks

02:44:47.400 traveling across the country by wagon in order to you know find the valley of good hope um but

02:44:55.340 we can't get guys to travel three hours sometimes and again i get it there's work and people have

02:45:03.120 lives i we 100 100 get it i kind of get a little um bitey about it it's just that at the end of

02:45:11.040 the day um you know what is the most important aspects of our lives and one of the things that's

02:45:19.360 a huge detriment is that there is no faith there is no religion there's no our children aren't

02:45:25.600 carrying any faith forward um you know there's no establishment of hobson sit or uh towns and and

02:45:33.280 things like that and they're coming but we need to have the people being able to reciprocate the

02:45:39.120 seriousness of it and i think that that's what we're going to continually have and that's the

02:45:44.880 thing our people are really beat down and broken and we're dealing with a lot of repair work and

02:45:52.880 a lot of healing that needs to be done i'd love to have sigerheim be you know a significant thrust

02:46:00.160 towards that healing um it's an issue of scale yes we do not have a lot of people that are going to

02:46:11.040 pick up what they have and put it in a hand cart and take it from boston to you know what missouri

02:46:19.280 and then across indian territory and carve out something out of the desert wish we had those

02:46:26.800 champions of our faith we have some of them but i wish we had you know the more we have the better

02:46:33.920 we'll be i am we are very blessed with what we do have and we are are doing and will continue to do

02:46:42.960 amazing amazing things the more people we have that are able to put just petty nonsense aside

02:46:51.840 and fully commit and be all in we can be shocked at the blessings that happen because of it

02:46:59.760 and that will happen and i think that sigerheim will be the spearhead for more people doing that

02:47:06.160 now one of the things with the afa is we've got kind of a you know it's not an either or it's an

02:47:11.280 all approach so as it is right now

02:47:17.280 if you are absolutely rooted to the place you live you live on ancestral land you are

02:47:23.200 in a career you are been here for you've got roots for forever and you can't go anywhere

02:47:30.080 cool build something there say hey guys i would love to host something at my house

02:47:38.240 well great we can get you connected better yet volunteer to be a folk builder we can make it

02:47:42.960 happen build where you are if you are capable and willing to move and you want to make something

02:47:49.600 happen then we got a few options and every few years we're going to have more options

02:47:56.800 yes i am currently trying to get our people to come to sagerheim and make that happen in

02:48:01.760 jackson county tennessee my family's going to do that a number of our witness family are going to

02:48:08.000 do that spawn and his family are going to do that hopefully you are going to do that if you can't

02:48:16.800 if you're not going to see that's the dream it's not just trying to cram everybody on one property

02:48:21.040 no that's going to be the the centerpiece of getting people to move to that county move to

02:48:26.480 that county you still have your liquidity you can go wherever you want in the county any place is

02:48:30.720 30 minutes from it but you're there you can be there every day if you want you can help out

02:48:35.520 you can build you can celebrate we can share we can build that village that we all talk about

02:48:41.120 wanting and so many of us never never achieve we're gonna achieve that we're gonna achieve it 1.00

02:48:46.720 relatively soon so but you can't go there tennessee's not for you your people are yankees 0.97

02:48:54.000 since the way back you can't make it down there to tennessee or you're scared of them hill folks 0.76

02:48:59.840 humidity is going to make your hair frizzy i don't know what your deal is but you got options

02:49:06.800 so here's the thing every place that we have a hof i want to build an afa community around

02:49:14.480 if you want to move to the literally some of the most beautiful country i've ever seen

02:49:20.800 to the foothills of the sierras in california to brownsville

02:49:24.720 it's a beautiful spot it's amazing the drive between there and here is one of the prettiest

02:49:32.740 i've ever been on and i grew up in alaska with some really pretty drives um yeah going out and

02:49:39.980 build around odenshoff we need you we want you there it will be fantastic you don't like that

02:49:46.220 it's not your thing you don't like california you don't like amazing trees you don't like pretty

02:49:52.520 stuff cool we can all right i'm not gonna advertise the next one it's like ah the ugly half

02:50:02.040 so joking aside i don't think we've got one that's not awesome and in a really kind of

02:50:07.480 pretty spot um but if if the the high desert and the sierras is not your thing though

02:50:13.960 uh lyndon north carolina very close to a lot of big towns a lot of big stuff very close to fayette

02:50:19.880 bill a lot of things there to draw you there a lot of jobs a lot of stuff but thorsoff needs

02:50:27.560 people living close by a number of little towns that might as well be the same town within a

02:50:33.560 stone's throw of there get yourself out there we would love to have you help build that area

02:50:40.120 that's still not your thing too hot too humid don't like hot dry don't like hot

02:50:45.400 soggy uh go up to baldershoff gets cold gets frigid you get that snow it's up in minnesota

02:50:54.120 murdoch minnesota beautiful beautiful farm country up there fantastic people we are in the community

02:51:04.360 in that one it's not out on a country road it's right in their little town there in a neighborhood

02:51:09.880 amazing interaction with the neighbors the people there love us go there build something there

02:51:16.920 or white springs florida fantastic everybody wants to be in florida land of the free

02:51:23.960 we even got a gator at our hof down there so if you want to go and pet the gator i'm not advising

02:51:30.120 you to pet the gator that's not good don't do that the afa officially told you not to pet that gator

02:51:36.280 but if you do he's in our uh he's in our uh our pond at our hoff and love the adventure

02:51:45.320 you love the company he's down there in florida york's hoff is awesome it's really it's beautiful

02:51:51.080 the live oaks down there are beautiful it's in a you know a rural place in florida it makes a lot

02:51:59.480 of sense it's halfway between uh lake city and um the other one that's not lake city

02:52:12.120 uh live oak it's between two communities there and have a lot of good stuff going on it's not

02:52:16.680 far from that and it's awesome if you want to go there build something there and you know by the

02:52:22.280 time we really get a lot of things cracking at siggerheim we're going to have something else

02:52:27.080 we're gonna have phrasehoff it's going to be in western pennsylvania eastern ohio we've got kind

02:52:35.640 of a spot there that's sweet spot we're looking to put it in or around we would love to have you

02:52:40.200 there as well so you got a lot of options and as the years roll by there will be a hoff closer and

02:52:46.520 closer to you but yeah it's not an either or it's an all um wolf throne this is one that i think

02:52:56.440 that swan's going to get dig into you're about to set him off here i'm going to use that as an

02:53:02.280 occasion you uh go tuck in my daughter um oh boy no couple interpretations of our lore by the narana

02:53:13.160 society i'd like to hear your thoughts on first is the idea that valhall is located in hell and not

02:53:20.520 in oscar second is the idea that you are judged in the afterlife in hell where you cannot speak

02:53:29.480 and your philia represents you are these interpretations correct so before and i'm

02:53:40.520 gonna have some stuff to say after this because he's still gonna be on it when i come back

02:53:43.880 yes yes i am are these interpretations correct no no and they're silly and the person making

02:53:54.920 them knows better there's some stuff that there's question on no and it's silly and they know better

02:54:04.680 secondly if you find yourself at the non in this in this trial it'd be cool if you have like ben

02:54:12.600 matlock represent you i'd like to like the old kind of old man wisdom i i don't know i don't know

02:54:20.920 many things but i know this i'd like to i'd like to have like to have that happen um so philia if

02:54:28.200 you're paying attention i think that's a that's a good exercise of jurisprudence when you represent

02:54:35.480 me at the underworld hell thing where I knew that like measures, weighs my heart and stuff.

02:54:47.200 Yeah. So it's fine. Take it away. Yeah. This, this question in particular

02:54:53.920 hits me. I it's, it's egregious. The, the effects that it has that a lot of people don't think

02:55:01.400 about. I mean, okay, first off, it's not correct, but one question you could ask then, is Folkvonger

02:55:09.120 in hell as well? If Valhall is in hell, why not Folkvong? Both are domiciles of the chosen dead, 0.89

02:55:19.220 and nobody ever asked these questions. You know, a lot of this kind of, the Norena Society does 0.97

02:55:27.000 these things where it'll say Thor has to walk over these rivers to get out of Ausgard. So that

02:55:35.120 means he's leaving heaven. Never minding the fact that it's clearly stated numerous times

02:55:41.120 that there's a heavenly realm and Ausgardr is in the realm and that it is surrounded or and has

02:55:50.300 rivers flowing through it. Another point as to why it's not Helgard is because we know that

02:55:56.020 there's 11 rivers in Helgard. So we know of the Elivaur. The Elivaur could flow in the realm of

02:56:05.580 hell. The rivers that they're talking about that Thor has to step over aren't in Helgard.

02:56:12.520 They're in heaven. And there's a lot of other rivers. And Grimnismal is very clear. Lord Odin

02:56:20.360 said, he can see his son's hall from where Valhall stands. So is Thor's hall in Helgard now too?

02:56:32.260 These kind of archways, the real reason why that is laid out is because there's a series of

02:56:41.140 rationale that needs to follow in order to justify a point. And the point that they were

02:56:48.580 originally justifying is that all of the wells of the earth earth's well mimers well and virgilmar

02:56:59.780 are all in the underworld because i i mean i other than i perhaps ryberg victor ryberg's kind of

02:57:07.300 conception of the idea that there couldn't be wells in the different levels this causes a problem so

02:57:15.060 So if the wells are down below, then the judgment has to happen down below.

02:57:19.620 And if the judgment has to happen down below, perhaps there's a domicile down below,

02:57:23.160 but not Folkvang or Bilskildner, because that's mentioned as being.

02:57:29.280 So then you just start tossing whole chunks of text, and then you add the whole like,

02:57:35.360 no, the earth is on a table and there's stone pillars, et cetera, et cetera.

02:57:40.540 It just, it goes down into a wild world.

02:57:43.680 a lot of the time you can look at arian comparison you can look at arian mythos and understand the

02:57:50.740 upper world whether it's on the top of a mountain like in olympus or if it's on the top of the tree

02:57:56.260 but the other realm the upper realm is above the middle world midgard and then there is a lower

02:58:04.120 realm and in that lower realm there are some really key factors one it's greatly separated

02:58:11.220 from the heavenly realm. It's the opposite. And in there, the properties that exist in the heavenly

02:58:17.900 realm are kind of devoid in the lower realm. The other thing is, in most Aryan mythos, the gods 0.86

02:58:25.980 don't go into the underworld. It's actually really rare, and hence the reason why Lord Odin going 0.75

02:58:34.640 into the underworld is such a strange occurrence. Same with Hermoth. And I know that we could

02:58:42.640 speculate and go on about Hermoth and Skirner and possibly being Odur and the husband of Frey.

02:58:50.720 That's perfectly a viable, I think, thing. But again, these are just reactions to

02:58:56.760 fulfilling argument that needs to be placed um it's it's very similar to like

02:59:04.540 uh i see this in political discussions when someone will say um that you know nobody deserves

02:59:14.280 a gun every all guns should be taken away only the police should have guns but all the police

02:59:19.260 are racist or if you don't have a womb you don't have an opinion but men can have wounds

02:59:25.620 so these justifications um go into absurdities that go so egregiously against Aryan mythos 0.92

02:59:36.220 that it's kind of like oh it hurts but to go back the Ausatru folk assembly

02:59:42.900 believes that there are there are 11 rivers in heaven 11 rivers in hell and there are 14 in the 0.74

02:59:51.620 middle and this comes from the grimness moment and that separation process we teach to our gothar

02:59:56.660 and you know uh we could discuss cosmology and you know i would explain it here um the the major

03:00:06.060 reason too is that the interpretation that they have taken is is that the gods sit at a doom seat

03:00:11.840 and that that doom seat since it can't be in heaven because they view the heaven as just

03:00:17.900 ausgard if they leave heaven to go to the doom seat where do they go that's where this oh well

03:00:26.060 then they must go to hell guard and that's where urd's well is and then that's and you see how it

03:00:31.660 kind of falls like dominoes to explain but no that's not the case yggdrasil is sourced in heaven

03:00:41.820 its roots extend through all the realms it's a circulatory system that well is in heaven

03:00:49.900 and there is a realm around ausgarther as our ancestors would have seen it this kind of place

03:00:57.180 in the mountains it's not simply just the castle it's the lands there's rivers there's a place

03:01:04.700 where loki runs off to have the horse chase him uh there is the well there is the tree there is

03:01:14.060 uh these places but they they can't conceptualize that so ausgard is simply heaven and if they

03:01:21.100 leave heaven they go somewhere else so that means earth's well is in hellguard but what about

03:01:28.540 members well which is in jotunheim and and it's spoken that only othen knows of it in the middle

03:01:34.940 realm in jotunheim no no that's in hellguard too and so these these things then they completely go

03:01:43.660 against the arian mythos which is why does the divine the creators of time the creators of order

03:01:50.620 walk into the realm of dissipation i'm not saying they can't but from our stories

03:01:57.200 it's very clear that this is an odd and extenuating thing um the purpose of that

03:02:06.500 being that it creates the the understanding the tension that the gods of life the gods of order

03:02:12.680 do not step into the realms that are kind of unruly and are are placed there and in essence

03:02:20.060 that lord odin gives dominion of of that realm to hell to kind of extend their their um order

03:02:30.780 their their order or their um dominion same as with the ocean and ayer and raun so that's where 0.94

03:02:40.240 you get these kind of like really wild crazy things going on and it you know it it goes so

03:02:49.840 far away from the common logic and then it has to start domino affecting as it goes through um

03:02:56.960 you know it's i remember talking to one of their members or i didn't realize it was in a debate i

03:03:02.800 was just simply talking about stuff and you know he spoke about how the gods leave to the doom seats

03:03:08.880 and and thor has to step over the rivers and i'm like those rivers are in heaven

03:03:12.880 just like thund the river and that that surrounds valhall and that there is a gate there valgrind

03:03:20.000 and um then i went to started looking into the books and i saw like crazy interpretations and

03:03:26.320 that's when i was like okay i see what this is this is i some of it is well meaning some of it

03:03:31.920 is well placed but other is completely off the mark and um people are just taking it because they

03:03:38.320 don't really research on their own or they don't you know ask out to other opinions it's kind of

03:03:44.720 like that icelandic scholar saying hrungnir's heart is stone and is it has three points and

03:03:51.760 then they look at a stone that has the three interlocking triangles and they're like that's

03:03:57.040 hrungnir's heart has nothing to do with hrungnir there's nothing there about that but it's got three

03:04:03.680 points and it's not three interlocking triangles it's a three-pointed from their heart and that's

03:04:10.880 it that's all they kind of do and uh it kills me so they go to their doom seats at the well in heaven

03:04:20.640 where the tree like a capstone descends down and through by via root now is this

03:04:27.280 common throughout all Arian concepts? No. We even, you know, speculate that our ancestors

03:04:35.440 viewed the pillar as a possibility or that the ermine soul was like the strut that holds

03:04:41.660 the space between heaven and earth, or I'm sorry, heaven and earth as a kind of strutting point.

03:04:50.120 But again, you know, there's trees, there's mountains, there's lots of usages for

03:04:54.820 the axis mundi and what that what that means um and when they go to these seats they cast

03:05:02.700 the doom of men this is an interesting point too because the doom of men doesn't mean something

03:05:08.460 negative it is the judgment of men and when you see our faith when we talk about may the holy

03:05:17.000 gods witness us we are talking about being marked being judged being in essence focused on by the

03:05:26.840 gods in our living moment so we ask the gods to witness our deeds it it becomes completely

03:05:35.240 irrelevant if you start to think about it it doesn't really matter until you go into the

03:05:40.200 underworld and all the gods are there which is odd in and of itself and um your philka is going

03:05:47.560 to be your lawyer and it turns into this kind of egyptian afterlife measurement

03:05:55.400 the altitude holds true more to that the gods actually are looking at you now they have a vested

03:06:01.160 interest in your life not your death not your afterlife if you will in actuality the people

03:06:07.640 that have a vested interest in your afterlife are your ancestors so hella is one the origin

03:06:17.000 or she is the origin of the calamity of all things she's the dis the breaker of all things

03:06:22.760 that must come to an end um the the holder of the calamities of man if you will illness etc

03:06:28.920 um Mavguth is the switch point in which she knows which of the the folk coming down are allowed to

03:06:39.660 reunite with her ancestors or with with their ancestors excuse me or she's the one that points

03:06:47.100 them down towards the river Gjord and the river sleeve and then they go to Naustrog that's it

03:06:54.660 That's the judgment because the true reality of it is, is that if you're marked by the gods while you're living, that mark carries with you when you go down into the underworld and the ancestors know this as well.

03:07:09.660 um again their their ability to understand say certain things i mean our ancestors lived through

03:07:18.100 hard and terrible times perhaps even too to the point where our moral understanding of things

03:07:24.440 might be greater or lesser than what they had to but again we always refer back to what is good

03:07:31.240 for the folk so the gods mark you while you're living they watch you while you're living that

03:07:38.940 should be a extremely important point for every Ausitzruer to grab their wrap their mind around 0.83

03:07:47.200 they are in the above world and the earth's well descends into the middle it's time it's space 0.79

03:07:56.660 it's the the the rolling out of all actions and we are in that and all of that accumulates to go

03:08:04.780 into the memory well in jotunheim because again jotunheim disperses resistance and receives

03:08:12.460 disillusion it it breaks things down in essence to kind of suck it back up if you will time goes

03:08:19.900 there lord othen placed his eye in that well in order to receive all that which has taken place

03:08:27.260 in order for him to better speculate the future the other thing too the the the hell thing or

03:08:36.020 or what have you um going down there your philka is a a part of your soul it it follows you but it

03:08:46.020 is a connecting point to things outside of your individual it connects to your ancestors it

03:08:54.000 connects to the land around you. Sometimes it connects to items that you carry. It has the

03:09:00.020 ability for your, your, your soul to leave marks on things. Um, it can actually connect to other

03:09:06.820 people. And so that your filth, you'll become united like a kin filth. Yeah. Um, it is not a

03:09:13.660 lawyer, um, that, you know, represents you before the gods. And again, like I said, I just can't get

03:09:22.700 out of my head the egyptian stuff um another great point of this too is uh and speaking to this

03:09:31.180 member i was talking to him and he uh he said you know thor comes down into the underworld and it's

03:09:37.180 the thor thor is the striker and if you look in every arian mythos one of the big things about

03:09:44.860 thor the middle guardian the the the lord between heaven and earth is that stepping into the world

03:09:53.020 of dissipation and disillusion and the under world is never good it's it's uh i think hercules did it

03:10:01.340 once but he took the form of a baby he couldn't be himself otherwise he would it would kill him

03:10:08.380 so he took the form or i i um please don't quote me on that but again the idea of

03:10:15.160 the gods descending into the underworld valhall now has to be in the underworld because all of

03:10:21.640 the wells are in the underworld and it goes it just starts domino affecting no oscar is the

03:10:29.840 heavenly realm the gods live there there are rivers in that realm described to us in the lore

03:10:35.460 there are rivers in the middle world and by their names we could tell they're connected to the world

03:10:40.320 of men and then there are 11 rivers in the underworld that are clearly spoken about

03:10:45.960 seething from the primordial well of creation and the gods are watching you now they're not waiting

03:10:53.460 to measure your heart against a feather when you die you should be concerned with impressing them

03:10:59.940 now your ancestors will receive you based on those deeds and if you live your life

03:11:05.300 towards gaining that that fame and bright um you know faith and power that you would have towards

03:11:14.020 showing towards the gods you should have no problem being received by your ancestors

03:11:19.940 and can possibly be ascended above after again the roots and the point of having an upper middle

03:11:29.140 and lower world with the roots intertwining them is very important but again i don't know

03:11:35.700 where that exactly came from other than a tree can't have you know it has to be at the bottom

03:11:43.540 and stick straight up and it can't be at the top with the roots descending into

03:11:51.540 yeah

03:11:59.140 So first, I'm glad that you asked the questions because I think it's, I think it's really important.

03:12:12.980 And when people wonder sometimes why the AFA, and more specifically, why I have such a hard stance on this is the church of the Aesir in Midgard.

03:12:36.220 hard and not doing this coalition everybody's got good ideas nonsense because they don't

03:12:50.140 and it's really important to do the best we can to

03:12:59.020 dispel

03:13:01.880 needless and poorly

03:13:04.460 intentioned confusion.

03:13:08.900 I don't know who came up

03:13:11.120 with these

03:13:12.280 very misguided

03:13:14.540 ideas.

03:13:17.340 I don't know

03:13:18.840 what source within

03:13:20.720 that society

03:13:21.840 decided

03:13:23.160 these were good ideas.

03:13:27.380 But they're not.

03:13:29.020 And they're obviously not.

03:13:33.460 These two.

03:13:34.480 So, okay, first, the one with the more merit first.

03:13:43.180 The doom seat thing.

03:13:49.340 You are absolutely judged in the afterlife.

03:13:52.540 but that doesn't preclude ongoing and other judgment and it doesn't put it in

03:14:01.380 the courtroom drama scenario that's being alluded to in this

03:14:10.060 um wherever that takes place judgment happens when you got something you got to figure out

03:14:19.740 what to do with yes when you are tidying up affairs at the end of someone's mortal existence on midgard

03:14:31.580 one has to make a decision on what happens to that person

03:14:37.900 making a decision is judgment judgment in really cool archaic language is doom

03:14:45.820 so we we set a doom upon you know i don't know i set a doom upon aubrey and my's plan for tomorrow

03:14:58.300 on us going to the store it sounds less scary and ominous but i have to make a judgment in

03:15:07.240 the morning of what we're going to do with our day it's not the same as this like one and done

03:15:13.700 And final judgment.

03:15:15.100 Ah, who is this Svan that approaches us?

03:15:18.140 Let's review the case. 0.97

03:15:21.600 Philia, what say you?

03:15:25.700 I object, your honor.

03:15:28.460 Lo, Svan was meritorious in his life.

03:15:34.740 Let's, so. 0.74

03:15:38.840 Sometimes I think I get overly silly with it.

03:15:42.400 because it's just absurd and when something is so absurd sometimes what you have to do

03:15:50.400 laugh but i want to treat it on its merits the supposition here

03:16:02.320 it seems by how this has been presented to me and if you're currently listening and you're

03:16:06.800 in the narana society or you have friends and family that are um

03:16:16.560 if your guys presentation of this is in a different way than i've heard

03:16:22.160 um then i then i'm sorry i'm not i'm i'm going on what i've heard and i'm trying to explain

03:16:28.400 towards that if this is not accurate to how you guys believe and think on it then i'm in error

03:16:34.080 i apologize and i stand ready for you to clarify where you're at um but it seems to suppose as if

03:16:42.480 you're an unknown quantity at the point of death and then there's some kind of a trial for the

03:16:48.880 case of of your soul of what to do with it and that acts as though again like i said you're an

03:16:58.160 unknown quantity no if we're doing that first many different of our gods are clearly described

03:17:07.360 as being able to see the activities of men during life uh lord heim dotler hears the the

03:17:17.760 wool growing on the sheep like he knows what you're up to he knows if you've been bad or good

03:17:23.760 so be good for goodness sake um sees you when you're sleeping he knows when you're awake 0.55

03:17:34.560 so santa causes heimdall

03:17:40.160 it's revolutionary spawn you should write a book about it right

03:17:44.880 um no he's thor no he's olin so anyways

03:17:53.760 uh sauga sees and is the seeress and can see and have prophecy and know the things

03:18:01.560 uh lady frig knows and sees all of these things and knows into destiny and and is aware of your

03:18:10.260 existence and stuff uh human and and munan collect this data and are looking at what spawns up to

03:18:20.440 and can report back to the All-Father

03:18:22.400 if he, you know, had a particular concern

03:18:25.080 about swans doings during the course of the day

03:18:27.620 and whether he's cutting in the part just right

03:18:30.560 or whether it's zigzagged.

03:18:32.680 If he's putting z's in froze or whatnot.

03:18:42.720 We believe that we interact with our gods in this life.

03:18:47.440 We ask during bloat that our gods, you know, if they find us worthy, which is quite literally a judgment, then to bestow their blessings upon us.

03:19:00.780 We're engaged in a gift cycle with sentient beings all the days of our life, if we're fortunate enough to be born into this.

03:19:11.180 So our reputation with the gods should be existent and they should be well aware of who we are.

03:19:20.160 Not only well aware, but be familiar enough with us that we have exchanged gifts.

03:19:27.640 We also certainly know that our ancestors look on from beyond and know us and interact with us.

03:19:35.160 We engage them in the gift cycle through our altar work, through many of the offerings and things we do throughout the day.

03:19:43.500 We see this.

03:19:44.840 We know this to be true.

03:19:46.200 We know this to be true by observable existence in our lives.

03:19:51.600 And we know it to be true throughout the corpus of our lore and the collective tradition of our folk.

03:19:58.920 So they judge us throughout their life.

03:20:00.920 Yes, the culmination of that judgment does occur beyond the veil.

03:20:05.760 We talk about that.

03:20:07.760 You know, what happens to you when you die?

03:20:11.660 We ask often, you know, we bid that one's ancestors accept them warmly into their halls.

03:20:20.040 Like, yeah, you appear there, and is somebody showing up to pick you up from the airport or not?

03:20:25.020 You know, that's a thing.

03:20:26.480 That is a judgment, and it does occur after you die.

03:20:29.120 That's fine.

03:20:29.700 And also, our gods have a judgment upon you of whether they deem you completely worthless and not even worth less, but of negative worth to where we need to have you get recycled and let's send you to the strand.

03:20:45.640 but they also have the opportunity to like okay we've been watching you your reputation

03:20:51.080 reputation precedes you we appreciate what you've done we want to bring you up for the opportunity

03:20:59.720 to be more so yeah they absolutely are judged after you die you are also judged every single

03:21:06.280 day of your life you are judged consistently you are judged now you will be judged tomorrow

03:21:14.840 and you will be judged after you pass so

03:21:21.000 it's fine and sure your philia does precede you and does represent you in a way and does advocate

03:21:32.840 for your interests in a way um a best man or a shield bearer or a herald or a or a comrade

03:21:48.600 does those things as well the motif of my cousin vinnie is a little bit different

03:21:57.560 And I don't think that that's the idea in our lore. And I think it misrepresents it in an important way. But all that aside, I think that one is the less egregious of the two.

03:22:16.520 but well so i would and i say these things rhetorically because we don't have a representative

03:22:26.300 within the arena society here to clear this up for me but i am curious and we'll throw in if

03:22:32.300 you've heard like reasoning please share with the class but in what what would possibly lead them to

03:22:43.280 believe that Valhall is in Helheim and not in Ausgard, other than it involves those who

03:23:02.980 have passed on. Because it is a destination for selected people who have died. Okay,

03:23:11.400 get that and i've been trying over here on the side just to like find where are the best things

03:23:19.320 that just make it so perfectly clear so that people listening aren't confused by the nonsense

03:23:28.120 literally everywhere they didn't pick one of the very obscure locations to make such

03:23:35.160 such a silly claim about, but, you know,

03:23:41.360 probably the most storied of locations that's in Ausgarla. 0.89

03:23:51.220 You know, there's a Rome that's in Georgia

03:23:53.700 that maybe people don't know about

03:23:55.440 because it's not the Rome,

03:23:57.400 but if you talk about Atlanta,

03:23:58.740 people know where Atlanta is.

03:24:00.860 So it's really odd.

03:24:05.960 one because we go back to this a lot it's a really important piece of our war for

03:24:14.120 just how straightforward it presents things and the astro folk assembly puts a lot of stock in it

03:24:21.880 is the gilfaginning and a couple of things are really interesting in there and i'm trying to

03:24:28.520 because i'll try to find out all in one spot as best as i can so a couple of things first

03:24:35.240 at the very beginning the entire premise dude's going to asgard specifically it says

03:24:44.200 he is going there to talk to odin about stuff so he's on his journey to asgard

03:24:53.080 when he gets there it specifically talks about valhall and how amazing and awesome

03:25:04.080 valhall is so he's walking to the big area of oscar there and in it is this amazing

03:25:14.620 valhall that he's heard so much about and i i was gonna on the thing here so don't

03:25:21.240 don't hang hang with me for a second just because i know where this was at and i wanted to kind of

03:25:29.880 talk about a couple examples that just make it like really clear and as we talked about before

03:25:39.180 the guilt beginning is in a lot of ways a distilling of lots of different pieces of our

03:25:46.540 lord where it is presented in the most complete like this then this then this then this like

03:25:54.140 thorough explanation of our lord in one source which makes it really um really special in that

03:26:04.860 way so i'm trying to find the spot that i was looking at here it just takes i was i was gonna

03:26:12.060 say too there they're in the guild beginning there's a clear it says there is a well spring

03:26:17.900 in heaven called earth's well um and there the gods gather to counsel to cast doom upon the men

03:26:26.140 upon men um it's like you can't get any clearer than that at all um and again i think people

03:26:34.300 should be concerned that the gods are watching them and marking them um you don't want to die

03:26:42.220 with that mantle of being a needling on your body on your soul um

03:26:49.260 that's that's terrible um so yes you are being judged it's it's just you're being judged now

03:26:57.260 not later um very much so

03:27:01.820 So, all right

03:27:07.640 So, King Gilfie was a wise man

03:27:11.540 And skilled in magic 1.00

03:27:12.740 But he was much troubled that the Aesir people were so cunning 1.00

03:27:15.960 That all things went according to their will 1.00

03:27:18.620 He set out on his way to Ausgarth

03:27:23.160 Going secretly

03:27:25.540 And he clad himself in the likeness of an old man 0.78

03:27:28.320 With which he dissembled

03:27:31.820 um when he came into the town he saw there a hall so high that he could not easily make out the top

03:27:39.660 of it it's thatching was laid with golden shields after the fashion of a shingle roof

03:27:46.380 so says theodore of finn that valhall was thatched with shields

03:27:52.940 um this is where he goes and has his discussions with with odin with you know

03:28:03.580 high the higher and the highest in valhall in ausgar there very clearly but later it talks

03:28:16.060 about um hermod and hermod's ride into into hell and it's first the fact it's like this big epic

03:28:26.780 journey that goes where you're not supposed to go and it's like a super exceptional case

03:28:34.220 is really interesting if it's just you know down the block because that's where

03:28:40.140 things are at in this in this strange rendition and usually i don't um

03:28:48.940 thump the lore so heavy as far as like reading verses but i just want um folks to

03:28:56.380 to hear and to understand that you know i'm not just trying to

03:29:00.780 say stuff i think that it puts our folk in a really um

03:29:05.580 in a really ugly place when people who claim to know they claim to be so very well versed in our

03:29:19.720 lore um misrepresent like knowingly are misleading about it um because what i don't ever hear from

03:29:31.600 that camp is like hey i know all the lore says this other stuff but i've got this really unique

03:29:36.400 insight and i think this is my theory because that's honest and i may disagree with it

03:29:44.160 but it's at least like an open acknowledgement i'm aware that the vast corpus of our lore clearly

03:29:51.360 says x but that's all not true for reasons i think this or i had a special revelation

03:30:01.200 this or i that's at least presenting it um in an above board way

03:30:13.920 so it talks about this you know i'm trying to think of the best like little quick stanza in

03:30:18.880 here about the the ride um where the best kind of little starting point is without

03:30:27.680 reading a whole deal um okay so can i say something while you're locking in on that

03:30:42.160 negative yes of course yes of course you can well no i wanted to just say that um

03:30:48.400 i have read some of their i own some of their books um and it makes me think so like i asked

03:30:55.280 earlier if valhall is in is in hellguard is folk long in hellguard and then in grimness mall when

03:31:03.520 it is mentioned that one of the holy rivers of heaven is tuned and inside that river there are

03:31:10.880 there is the the children of our of the the translation that i'm reading from um the norena

03:31:22.880 societies they they say rothwitner is heimdall so it's heimdall now in hellguard i mean i don't

03:31:30.240 you know my translations of that are very very different that that the the hall the hall is in

03:31:36.320 heaven the one who guards the bridge at the edge of heaven right exactly but but in the river there's

03:31:44.800 the the they there are the many that the children of the road that are like fish in the river thund

03:31:52.080 surrounding and that the the the word is referencing to the children of the wolf

03:32:04.080 so outside of valhall patrolling again because there's a big point to the story that

03:32:11.760 that valhall is greatly decorated with many defenses and one of them is the wolf children

03:32:18.720 The Berserker, the Ulfhednar, the warriors of ecstatic, you know, ascendancy beyond mortality, patrol the river around Valhall, and there is a gate called Valgrind, and only one person knows how to get in and out of that.

03:32:38.060 And that was the point that Lord Odin was making. And he also said, again, from Valhall, I can see my son's hall.

03:32:48.720 So it just, it gets, it gets wild. And, and you, we could, somebody could say, well, you guys are just arguing about the semantics of literature. But the other point is, is kind of what you said, Azir Guthi, about kind of, instead of saying, well, I have insight and I think that there is this, and this is my theory, even though clearly there's numerous things that state X, you know, and Y.

03:33:14.640 the other is is that there's a great detriment to the Aryan soul when you start to change

03:33:21.480 cosmology so greatly that it no longer even looks comparative to other Aryan mythoses um and they

03:33:33.700 start to it starts to deviate away from that and for what reasons I don't I mean I don't know other

03:33:38.540 than the only thing I could think of is that the judgment after death thing is something that may

03:33:43.660 have been concocted up with the intent of drawing christians into ausitru and showing that we have

03:33:52.500 morality and watch you can get you know we can get judged after death just like you guys i mean

03:33:59.620 i i just it it really blows my mind and it and it really does create cosmological

03:34:08.740 um formulas about the gods and especially about the striker being able to walk into the underworld

03:34:16.440 um without ever the considerations of the like the way the poems are written the fact that if

03:34:23.360 there's 11 rivers in the underworld there's 11 rivers there can be and i have gone over that

03:34:30.200 extensively about um the the 11 rivers in heaven and why there's 11 rivers and then the 14 in the

03:34:37.640 middle and they're all in granismo um i i've also seen not only the heimdall translation which i

03:34:42.940 thought was completely wrong but the other rivers that are mentioned as just being sacred rivers

03:34:49.200 they're not in heaven they're not in hell guard because they're outside of the 11 that are

03:34:54.680 specifically mentioned in hell guard um purier in the norena society in his book he just says oh

03:35:01.520 this is just a holy river this is just a holy river he doesn't translate them nor does he explain

03:35:07.220 anything about them because they're just not necessary to them to the narrative so again you

03:35:14.500 know and that's where the dominoes come in is folk vong and hell guard is heimdall and hell guard

03:35:21.460 because he's in the river that surrounds you know according to their translations it goes on and on

03:35:30.900 and our ancestors i think really saw the heavenly realm as being above whether that was supported by

03:35:36.340 mountains like him in bjerk heavenly mountains a singular mountain and that the gods were living

03:35:43.860 perhaps like on top of it inside it but it was an area and they built their castle in there

03:35:49.300 and there were rivers that flowed through there and perhaps descended down the mountain into the

03:35:53.300 land of the middle realm and the only thing that was surrounding this mountain was clouds and light

03:35:58.340 and there's you know the light elves and it was in some place in the center and above but that

03:36:07.300 clearly roadmaps aryan mythos in understanding um and that you know the tree is at the top and

03:36:15.060 where its roots sink down in that mountainous scape extend and only one house knows where those

03:36:24.020 roots reach i think as we have come to understand about the world our understanding of the cosmology

03:36:33.140 has changed a bit but i think our ancestors quite variably saw the gods as upper center

03:36:40.260 and the roots descending into the middle world descending down into the

03:36:45.620 you know svartalfheim and hell guard and ultimately naval hell

03:36:52.500 um but now we understand that these these places these realms are

03:36:58.820 we know that the gods are center and above but they're not center and above literally

03:37:05.440 they're central because they're order and they're above because they're gods so

03:37:11.160 once you start kind of shifting that changing that or or not understanding to

03:37:20.920 Wolf Throne has put a

03:37:26.300 Correction and an explanation

03:37:28.820 In the chat you should look at

03:37:30.340 Oh, okay

03:37:31.880 Let me shift around here

03:37:48.080 Yeah, you've heard him

03:37:49.160 Make those claims

03:37:49.920 This is not to suggest that how Valhalla is located now,

03:37:53.680 but that the warriors pass through hell on their way to Valhalla.

03:37:58.060 All right.

03:37:58.580 Well, then disregard.

03:38:04.120 Okay.

03:38:05.600 Then we'll leave that be.

03:38:08.060 Was King Gelfi dead?

03:38:10.880 Is that what they're trying to say?

03:38:13.400 No.

03:38:15.520 No.

03:38:18.080 I don't know.

03:38:19.920 um yeah so anyways okay we will we will leave that alone i'm glad that that's not something

03:38:28.260 that they're saying on that because it's absurd um but cool so what i'd still like to point out

03:38:38.360 is it's not

03:38:40.860 in the same story

03:38:46.900 in the Gilfagin

03:38:48.520 you get a very good sense

03:38:52.560 in Hermoth's

03:38:54.840 bride 0.56

03:38:55.360 that 0.97

03:38:57.700 the Aesir don't just

03:39:00.900 regularly go hang out

03:39:02.920 in hell and do stuff 0.84

03:39:04.160 that's not how that works

03:39:07.080 and you see that displayed by how it is a perilous and difficult journey and they like send him on

03:39:15.540 this quest and he has to go a great distance through all this stuff to go do that and it's

03:39:22.500 very irregular um if that's just something they do every day to go out and judge the fates of men

03:39:28.740 then it's not they can just swing by and ask hell about balder on her way home

03:39:37.240 it's not the same thing as the epic journey like i said earlier into the world of the other

03:39:45.060 so when we talk about the other jotunheim is other um hell is the other the realm that is

03:39:57.040 controlled and regularly trod by gods and men and orderly parts of the ordered cosmos and the light

03:40:05.900 cosmos, that you see in Midgard, in Ausgard, you see those things. Hell and Jotunheim are very much

03:40:16.240 outside that. If you're going to go there yet, you get your war gear on, you get your stuff,

03:40:22.120 and you're going on this irregular journey away from home

03:40:26.340 that you keep your head on a swivel

03:40:27.800 and it's outside of the inner yard.

03:40:34.280 But cool.

03:40:36.000 And I appreciate that.

03:40:36.840 And it's an honest question.

03:40:37.880 People make mistakes.

03:40:39.120 People make mistakes.

03:40:40.820 It's whatever.

03:40:42.640 And it is, it is, well, and that's, you know, that's the thing.

03:40:47.020 So I digress.

03:40:49.020 If that's not their stance, then cool.

03:40:50.980 I'm glad.

03:40:52.120 Um, but a lot of the stuff it, it isn't respectful of our source material and it's not presented

03:41:04.600 in a way to where if you want to deviate, then say that and be honest about it.

03:41:12.020 It's presented as if that's what the lore says.

03:41:15.140 And usually it's, and quite often that's not what the lore says.

03:41:20.340 that's what maybe victor reidberg said at one point or maybe it's something that recently they

03:41:30.820 made some discovery that made them feel that way but it oftentimes is not consistent with what

03:41:38.020 the lore says in certainly the traditional understanding of it or interpretation of it

03:41:45.380 um go ahead one thing to say if that's the case and they're talking about post death um exoneration

03:41:56.420 to valhall we've already spoken about that that that we believe that you absolutely can even

03:42:03.840 though you pass the bridge to hell but it is also worth noting that lord ovin and and the

03:42:12.280 the vowel of his name val often always gets you know brought about the focus is on the slain the

03:42:20.340 slain the slain vowel also means to choose the chosen so the einherjar are chosen up that he

03:42:30.300 has that ability to take the soul um and i know lord othen has often been referred to as a psychopomp

03:42:38.640 but i you know i believe that this is one of the cases that clearly lends towards that title being

03:42:44.240 pretty pretty clear is that he chooses and he draws up but if you pass and you cross that bridge

03:42:52.240 you can still be exalted up by the notoriety in midgard the notoriety of your ancestors and the

03:43:01.360 notoriety that the gods see and then you are brought up and that's why those three roots exist

03:43:09.360 roots draw up so i think this is kind of interesting too so leaving leaving them alone for a second

03:43:20.240 And the idea, it's very easy to get caught up in the imagery of the world.

03:43:42.060 And I think we do that a lot, and I think it grounds us, it orients us, and it helps us to digest and project ourselves mentally into situation and place, because that's how we know existence to be in our experience.

03:44:03.980 I think it is likely very different than all of those things.

03:44:08.260 I don't think that if you get on a horse and you travel far enough in a certain direction, you wind up at some gates and you can jump over the gates and then you go to hell.

03:44:21.560 I think all of these things help us understand it is distant.

03:44:26.900 It is an arduous journey.

03:44:29.500 It is a journey through darkness and gloom and despair.

03:44:33.880 I think that those things are truths.

03:44:38.260 The more we fight over minutiae of place, I think we miss some of the things.

03:44:48.600 Svon's point is very important.

03:44:51.820 One of the things that we know to be true as the Ostra-Truth Folk Assembly.

03:45:01.020 And thank you to our law speaker for the little voice inside my head that said,

03:45:06.140 be very deliberate with what you say and how you say it i knew that this is what it was

03:45:11.580 alan doesn't like it when i flex that back on him but it is such a really

03:45:19.820 powerful lesson that he's taught me and many of us that i think i think back to daily and i thank him

03:45:27.100 for it um so anyways after you pass and spend some time on the other side of the veil

03:45:41.100 you can be elevated to higher things and you can ascend posthumously

03:45:48.460 that would make sense with the idea of passing through hell and receiving you know judgment of

03:45:56.540 where to go but we also see like the entire mythos around the valkyria is the idea that they

03:46:07.740 take you directly from the battlefield up to the gods one of the core ideas in

03:46:17.980 the odinic practice of cremation was that by consuming the flesh by the flames

03:46:26.540 In an instant, you travel up to the gods.

03:46:32.640 You are instantly sent upwards towards ascension.

03:46:37.120 It's one of the reasons, symbolically, that we often put a sacrifice or pour the sacrifice into the fire.

03:46:46.460 That through that combustion, through the evaporation, through those elements, the offering is sent up to the gods with a medias.

03:47:00.100 And that's talked about a lot in our lore as well.

03:47:05.560 So again, us, Norana Society, anybody else, the gods are the truth.

03:47:14.140 the existence for us that the isir have laid out and created is the truth those processes

03:47:24.960 are the truth the lore that has come down to us is our ancestors best inheritance they could 0.53

03:47:33.820 bequeath to us on understanding that truth to the best ability that they had it's our mission in

03:47:41.740 our lifetime to go from there to an even closer understanding of that truth. And if we do it

03:47:51.840 correctly, and if we do it piously, we hope that along the way, the Aesir point us in the right

03:48:00.960 direction and help, you know, school us when we're confused and help direct us when we're lost or

03:48:09.120 or don't know which way to go that helped give us guidance.

03:48:12.860 And we also know that to be true and are thankful for it.

03:48:19.580 Vril the Barbarian, I have an odd question.

03:48:22.200 I want to carve the runes around the outside of my house

03:48:25.240 to create a ring of faith and protection.

03:48:28.280 Was a practice like this performed in our past?

03:48:34.200 Yes, was it performed in our ancient Viking past?

03:48:38.180 no well okay i say that not that i know of not that i know of runic like signposts or stones or

03:48:49.700 boundary markers places to mark out a space to be sanctified absolutely curses on rune stones hey if

03:48:58.900 you do bad stuff here if you move this if you violate so-and-so's territory may bad things

03:49:06.660 happen to you may also thor strike you may this happen yes absolutely as far as the complete

03:49:14.420 futhark in a circle to make a protective space the first time i know of that is as that being

03:49:21.060 the expressed purpose of that possibly in the late 70s but i believe in the early 80s

03:49:29.860 um edrid dorson uh talks about creating a runic circle for um

03:49:41.060 there's the right terminology it's late i'm sorry it escapes me but as kind of a circle of protection

03:49:47.380 for magical practice and he talks about that rather extensively and i think he talks about

03:49:53.460 it a number of places but i know he talks about it really specifically in um the nine doors of midgar

03:50:02.100 so yes our people have practiced that in our past

03:50:09.860 they practice similar kind of stuff in the way back they practice this in a much more exact

03:50:18.100 like for like way in the 80s still the past it still counts and it's still a really important

03:50:25.060 part of also true tradition and i think it's a perfectly valid and good thing for you to do if

03:50:31.140 that's something that you'd like to do to mark your spot as something that's special and set

03:50:39.060 apart and as something that resounds throughout the worlds as like hey an also true or lives here

03:50:46.180 who is aware of the subtle things um so yeah i think that's solid what do you say swan yeah the

03:50:54.100 um and this kind of um is answering also ryan orion wotenson's question walking around the

03:51:00.420 property and land and claiming is ceremony is ancient yes um the biggest thing and again we

03:51:06.260 know just as her alzeria go they pointed out runic staves runic um poles runic stones absolutely been

03:51:16.740 used in expressing warding or protecting or creating memoriam um but in iceland we do know

03:51:27.700 that when they took the from the sagas when they took land they said they took it by fire

03:51:33.540 so one thing that i would say is you could incorporate both of those because we're we're

03:51:38.580 not of the mindset to be like the lore doesn't say runes in this specific saga so you can't do it but

03:51:47.620 if you're trying to incorporate those elements i would say one taking the land by fire means

03:51:54.100 carrying a torch or a flame a lot of that can now be done by simply placing a tea light in a lantern

03:52:02.420 and walking the four corners of your property or whatever it might be.

03:52:10.480 And it doesn't have to be perfect.

03:52:12.300 Oh, there's a fence in my way.

03:52:13.520 I can't protect my land or what have you.

03:52:17.360 It is about encompassing the property and the usage of the torch

03:52:24.380 that they would ride on their horse and go and ride the perimeter of their land.

03:52:29.320 was never stated that they rode a property line or anything they they just rode around and came

03:52:35.400 back to the house and said i'm taking this land all the land spirits everyone know that the

03:52:44.200 responsibility of this land falls upon my shoulders and so the the last thing you could do i have a um

03:52:51.560 I have a hex, a runic hex sign on my, my front door, but you can easily place, say, protective

03:52:59.440 runes on tines. And I've done this for myself. Personally, I have carved tines onto hazel

03:53:08.780 if you can get it. But any wood will serve. And in the four corners, I hammered them into

03:53:16.780 the ground never to be pulled up so their intention is to go in and stay in um but that's

03:53:23.900 just that was my interpretation and my inclination towards again reaching the same point my land is

03:53:33.100 my land i am responsible for it and i wish it to be protected and that's what i did however intricate

03:53:42.460 or just sometimes even just simple as you want it to be but it has to be genuine and so utilizing

03:53:50.140 runes i think would be perfectly fine yeah all of those things land taking is a modern

03:54:00.460 and an ancient practice there's lots of ways to do it um walking the perimeter with some

03:54:09.180 kind of a flame with a lantern with a torch even you know with a tea light with candle whatever

03:54:15.660 you're going to do is a is a very traditional way to do stuff that sometimes we still you know i've

03:54:21.420 done a number of land takings that way um taking mead that's been sanctified and sprinkling it

03:54:32.700 on key places or on the building itself on the exterior as you walk so that's usually what we do

03:54:40.700 when we're um doing the land taking on a new hof is we'll you know go to kind of the four sides of

03:54:48.460 the building and splash it with that blessed mead and you know stake our claim to it and the purpose

03:54:57.580 for it you can also do that going inside room to room in a house or a space and you know splashing

03:55:05.820 a little something there carrying a lantern through it a light through it and you know staking your

03:55:12.700 claim um it's one of the kind of concepts to think about that i think is important

03:55:23.180 intention and you having presence and magical efficacy is what's important

03:55:32.300 a lot of that is clear willpower and it's what you're trying to do so the logic on this really

03:55:42.340 matters to me i don't

03:55:52.020 if you are asrael abyss and you're just doing goofy goth stuff and you've got your hair all

03:56:01.460 hair sprayed up and you're like look at me i'm spooky and you happen to put some runes on some

03:56:09.220 stuff i don't think that that keeps the bad spirits away i think the bad spirits laugh at you

03:56:19.300 but i think something happens when you break the fourth wall like that and you reach out beyond

03:56:27.780 the mundane existence and say hey subtle forces in this area spirits ghosts what have you

03:56:35.780 this is mine now for me and my family i see you i know you you exist i'm here i'm a good person

03:56:47.740 i'm going to treat things fairly i'm aware this is ours don't mess with this that has

03:56:57.420 i've said this before and i don't think this is the answer a lot of people are looking for

03:57:06.580 sometimes i think they want some ancient like arcane tome that has a spell and i think

03:57:13.880 and i'm not saying that that's wrong i approach spirituality as an art and not as a science

03:57:23.220 there are many many people throughout time including today that it's very much about a

03:57:29.920 formula and about a very set tradition and if you are fully dialed into that

03:57:36.560 and are able to pour your will into that and that's a if you have a strong belief in that

03:57:45.620 and further if that belief is backed by a strong lineage in it i think that that's valid and

03:57:52.440 effective, and I'm not disrespecting it. But if you are operating the way that I would and do,

03:58:03.400 it is about an expression of your will in how you do things. And if you are amongst

03:58:11.260 forces that want to victimize you, people that act completely unaware that any of these things

03:58:19.420 exist and are not paying any attention are easy targets people that say hey i'm here heads up

03:58:28.300 i am reaching out into where you are this is what i am doing i will make offerings i will be a good

03:58:35.420 you know good neighbor but i'm also not not one to be taken advantage of

03:58:43.260 i think those people are much less likely to be the victims of folks looking to take advantage

03:58:49.420 I think this is true in every part of your life.

03:58:54.020 I think that if you demand that the ghosts listen to you and everybody stays away because you're the powerful rune magus in mom's basement,

03:59:10.840 I don't think any of your magical spell prevents bad things from happening to you.

03:59:15.380 I think those people think you're a joke just like the rest of us.

03:59:18.080 on whatever side of the veil they might be on.

03:59:23.840 But I think that if you're a sincere person

03:59:26.320 that carries yourself with that in life

03:59:28.600 and you show awareness and intention

03:59:34.680 towards the other and that which is beyond the veil,

03:59:39.080 I think that carries a lot of weight as well.

03:59:42.480 There are people that hold themselves like victims

03:59:45.560 and there are people that hold themselves like someone to be reckoned with.

03:59:49.960 And I think that's far more effective than amateur hocus pocus.

04:00:00.040 And I separate the two.

04:00:02.240 An experienced practitioner of magical arts may have a very specific way of doing this

04:00:09.240 that is very different than anything I'm describing that may work really well.

04:00:14.040 I've known some amazing ones in my life.

04:00:16.260 I have the utmost respect, no disrespect whatsoever.

04:00:20.760 But my method has worked really well for me and mine in my time.

04:00:25.240 And so I think there are a lot of right ways to do it.

04:00:28.400 You're wanting to do with your runic intention in order to set your place apart, I think, is a good idea and pretty solid.

04:00:38.000 Svon keeps disappearing on us.

04:00:40.280 There he goes.

04:00:41.120 I thought it was his, you know, his championing of the indigenous peoples against my colonization

04:00:56.220 attempts.

04:01:06.140 It's like I got a chicken on my casino.

04:01:11.120 eat big wampum all right

04:01:13.640 so um the afa's thoughts on circumcision circumcision don't think i've ever heard

04:01:24.300 that discussed on vns there are two the the astro folks have okay first yeah all right

04:01:31.640 so here's a thing and i just i hope it goes without saying but i feel like i need to say it

04:01:41.740 it's really important to stop and separate matt stuff from afa stuff sometimes and to just be

04:01:51.480 cognizant of that but i'm really comfortable the austral folk assembly stance is this

04:01:57.520 if you are not jewish circumcision is bad it's not i mean unless there is some compelling health 0.97

04:02:07.760 reason because you have a mutated penis that that's what needs to happen and i i've heard 0.97

04:02:16.720 of medical situations to where something with the skin is not right and something needs to be done 0.98

04:02:25.600 um and that is what it is but it is entirely a religious practice of jewish people specifically

04:02:38.720 to mark them as loyal to their god and so if you are a jew and that is your practice

04:02:49.520 and there's caveat here okay i get that um if you are not a jew then

04:03:02.320 we in the united states and we think this is just something that white people do 0.97

04:03:07.600 is mutilate their genitals it's not that's not a european thing that's not something that our 0.94

04:03:15.360 ancestors do that's something that for a period of time jews practice and our american medical 0.97

04:03:25.840 establishment begin doing that as the default setting for boys it's really interesting 0.96

04:03:33.520 that's not the default the default is you growing and developing your genitals the way that 0.92

04:03:46.060 I promise I'm not intending to be silly in any way is something I feel really strongly about 0.74

04:03:52.680 you know that the default is for you to develop with your parts the way that you came into the

04:04:00.520 world with them and the way that our gods planned for them to be. If, again, if something

04:04:07.140 goes wrong and you need a medical operation and that is how stuff gets sewed up, okay,

04:04:13.500 that's fine. And I don't want to go into TMI, but I think a lot of our people in this generation,

04:04:20.900 certainly my age, have had that situation occur to them as children in a medical situation in

04:04:28.220 united states i think that's kind of for people my age bracket in the u.s the default position of

04:04:35.020 folks junk but going forward i really hope that that changes it's not it's not good and if you

04:04:44.940 grow up and you decide that's something that you want to do later on in your life

04:04:50.940 it's a little bit different once you have the agency to make that choice instead of having

04:04:58.220 Other folks or medical professionals push that on your family when you are literally helpless as an infant.

04:05:10.640 They don't do it in Iceland.

04:05:14.120 They don't do it for non-Jews. 0.98

04:05:18.820 And I say that, I'm not sure if it's an Islamic thing as well.

04:05:22.220 It is an Islamic thing as well.

04:05:23.820 so from non-abrahamic people non-semitic people um i think that you know christians might

04:05:31.980 out of a religious reason want that done pseudo-judaic outside of the judeo sphere of

04:05:41.180 religion that's not done other than the united states that's this medical thing that's um

04:05:48.700 pushed upon parents so no the afa is absolutely opposed to that for non-semitic infants

04:06:01.100 well i want to say i want to add this too i don't know how this breaks down and i don't pretend

04:06:08.140 that every jewish person or every uh muslim person does this i don't know well enough

04:06:15.740 if the practice of circumcision involves a religious officiant's mouth going on a young 0.97

04:06:23.900 boy's penis that needs to not ever happen and the austral folk assembly is firmly against 0.94

04:06:30.220 that practice in any circumstance um but again i don't know the i don't know how 0.99

04:06:38.940 that shakes out as far as which schools of what do that i know that it happens and i also know that

04:06:46.380 it is wrong um what do you got swan yeah i was gonna say on my research on that i i do believe

04:06:53.580 there are just like small factions that do that and that's terrible but i think overall male and

04:07:00.780 female circumcision should be viewed as wrong or unless you're part of your abrahamic faith

04:07:07.820 and here's another thing though if you have been circumcised because of society and that's what's

04:07:14.700 been done a lot of men when they have you know their wife has a boy um and they have a child

04:07:21.900 together and they look at their their kid and they're like i don't want my kid to be different

04:07:26.060 from me that is not a a good justifiable reason to stop so cool you're born and you are horribly

04:07:34.540 disfigured in an industrial accident man i'm only one arm i don't want my son to be different than 0.97

04:07:41.260 me chop off his good arm it sounds stupid when i say it but it's not it's the exact same principle 0.95

04:07:51.340 don't mutilate babies guys 0.99

04:07:56.900 and it's stupid that i have to say that and then qualify it 0.99

04:08:06.900 but sometimes in the wolf age where we find ourselves the very common sense position 0.93

04:08:15.300 has been and i think okay so while we're on this and we get at the 10 o'clock hour when four hours

04:08:24.560 in and you know for uh surveys in that maybe we wax a little bit distant from the topic but i

04:08:35.620 think this is important too it is valuable to every now and again re-examine why we do the

04:08:44.820 things we do um and figure out is there a good reason or do we do it because we saw somebody

04:08:54.980 else do it and they saw somebody else do it and it's worth going back to center and runically

04:09:03.220 when doing meditation and rune work i like ys the uh the iron rune of ice

04:09:13.120 to start any of those practices really often or at different points in my life

04:09:21.020 for stillness for like hey pause life's moving too fast let's come back to center let's collect

04:09:32.520 ourselves and then from a fresh and objective position let's proceed back out into the world

04:09:41.320 or let's start our magical operation i think it's really important intellectually to do that as well

04:09:50.840 i have an important decision to make about my child and their health

04:09:54.200 let's pretend none of the social conditioning exists what is their situation

04:10:03.520 without hearing any other thing what ought i do okay i should do this now let's one by one

04:10:15.260 factor in reasons to get me to deviate from and there may very well be compelling reasons to

04:10:22.600 deviate for a lot of reasons. But it's an important lesson that my dad taught me. It's sad

04:10:29.600 because it's the same lesson that caused rift between us during the COVID situation as far as

04:10:41.340 COVID vaccinations and things go. But my dad always taught me that you need a compelling

04:10:48.260 reason to deviate from the default. So, you know, something just kind of that everybody said,

04:10:56.620 and I think people still say today, you casually, when somebody's like, oh, why should I do stupid 0.93

04:11:02.660 thing that teenager wants to do? Why not? YOLO. No, pause. No, there's not why not. 0.89

04:11:09.940 that's the default do the right stuff that you ought to be doing

04:11:16.660 huh there's this strange deviant odd thing that drastically breaks from my norm

04:11:23.080 not that you shouldn't do it but you should have a significant reason to

04:11:29.560 if all things being equal no stay the course if you want to change you need a reason to do that

04:11:37.380 And it puts things in an interesting perspective that way. And I think this should be the case with a lot of stuff. If you do that and you examine like, no, I am Jewish and this is a sign of the covenant with my God, then perhaps that's what you ought to be doing.

04:11:55.860 it's not the afa's position to tell other races of people how to pursue their connection with

04:12:02.260 their divinities but if the reason is oh because the doctor does that or i don't want to look funny

04:12:10.180 and i don't want his stuff to look different than my stuff because it's confusing

04:12:16.500 i don't know if that i say that i know that's not a significant enough reason to

04:12:21.300 to perform an operation to change,

04:12:29.200 to do cosmetic surgery on your infant son's genitals. 0.75

04:12:35.000 And I'm, please don't get me wrong.

04:12:37.300 I know that there's probably a lot of people listening

04:12:39.300 that may have engaged in that.

04:12:41.780 And it's a strange question.

04:12:43.600 Again, we get into some odd areas.

04:12:45.620 I don't wanna be, you know, 1.00

04:12:47.120 lots of folks are circumcised i am saying like something people do but 0.98

04:12:57.740 i just you know i say this and i know i'm talking over long on the subject but other

04:13:07.180 medical procedures that they do to infants there's just a lot of stuff that i think

04:13:12.860 it's hard because when you talk about medical stuff that people do with their children

04:13:21.280 it becomes there's a lot of baggage to it and then people get really resentful if

04:13:26.820 they think you're telling them what to do or whatever else i'm not but i'm saying go back

04:13:33.020 to center and reevaluate your reason and is it significant enough to veer from the natural course

04:13:41.420 development maybe it is maybe it's not and it's something that as a father um you know my daughter's

04:13:50.140 four not terribly long ago my wife and i had to think of these kind of things not in concept but

04:13:59.660 in very real reality how do we want to handle health decisions for our daughter when the

04:14:06.540 medical establishment as it is currently very strongly pushes certain things what do we want

04:14:16.060 to how do we want to weigh those things you may find a variety of decisions on that that are

04:14:28.780 your best attempt for you and your family i respect that a lot of stuff

04:14:33.980 um what i'm saying is go through the mental exercise to make those decisions by intention

04:14:42.540 and not because a variety of different people be them family be the medical people

04:14:48.780 shoot be them me are pressuring you one way or another take the time to go through the

04:14:54.940 thought process for for your kids and for your family that's all i'm saying

04:14:58.460 do you have anything to add or to

04:15:02.860 no i think i think we've extensively covered well we have but it extends it extends beyond

04:15:12.440 just that it's a lot of different strange stuff we do with babies now that we did all right for

04:15:19.840 5 000 years not doing things so um wolf throne would you consider reaching out to ron mcvan and

04:15:29.760 having him as a guest on a bns episode it's an interesting so first it's a really interesting

04:15:35.920 question i have a lot of respect for ron mcvan i think he is fantastic um he is welcome on the

04:15:43.120 program i would love to have him on the program if you wanted to be on the program our program

04:15:49.120 is different because it's not really bring in a lot of different people that have them

04:15:54.400 as kind of like special guests that said ron is a um should i say that i've spoken to him once

04:16:02.160 mr mcvan is an elder in our community i have a ton of respect for him

04:16:08.640 he is welcome on the show literally anytime he wants he picks up the phone he calls me

04:16:13.920 on a wednesday he calls me right now i'd say we'll send you a link um literally he's always

04:16:20.640 always welcome um but i don't this isn't like an interview entertainment show it's a

04:16:30.960 deliver instruction about our church and how we do things and ron mcvann isn't a significant

04:16:39.200 like active participant in what we're doing and how we're doing in this day and age

04:16:45.280 so that's not like a priority to have on the program as a you know like planning an episode

04:16:53.440 but i i promise you ron he could mr mcvan could call me every single wednesday night

04:17:01.280 if he wanted to and he always is welcome on the program and always has a seat

04:17:05.920 they can comment on anything he wants any way he wants um and i mean that always always welcome on

04:17:12.960 if he wants um thoughts on ben shapiro and the daily wire that was my first red pill

04:17:23.440 that inspired me to leave liberalism behind you know we all come to this from a lot of different

04:17:29.600 ways and depend and it's interesting because when you hear people's story about how they got here

04:17:37.280 there are certain kind of things that mark your age or the time period that you came here from

04:17:45.760 and i think different people at a lot of different times you know there would be

04:17:52.080 it's interesting and you see that over time um

04:17:59.600 So these are my thoughts, and Svon will get on here.

04:18:05.640 I've been talking a lot lately, so I'm going to take a break and drink a beer in a second.

04:18:09.440 But I don't have a big problem with Ben Shapiro because I'm taking Ben Shapiro for who he is.

04:18:16.980 I don't always agree with Ben Shapiro.

04:18:19.700 And I say that.

04:18:20.520 I'm not an expert.

04:18:21.300 The times that I don't voraciously consume Ben's output, but I don't dislike him, and I think it's really important to take him for who he is and who he says he is and not who the purity spiral wants to have him be and then be mad at him about.

04:18:48.320 he's a jewish man who's very proud of his judaism he makes judaism and his support for the jewish

04:18:58.000 state of israel a very foundational principle that he rallies behind and he doesn't do it

04:19:08.240 surreptitiously he doesn't do it dishonestly that is very strongly who he is and what he believes in

04:19:14.080 he wears his yarmulke he does his stuff i'm not going to be upset that his interests aren't

04:19:21.680 always my interests he represents an entirely different group of people and i and i respect

04:19:27.640 that um and he's you know because he is traditionally minded in a lot of ways we do

04:19:36.320 come to an agreement in general terms on a lot of broad stroke stuff from time to time

04:19:41.860 what I don't like is his little nasally high school debate voice and cadence I don't know

04:19:49.640 if the rest of you like get triggered by it the same way that I do when I was in high school I

04:19:54.880 did debate and you get these nasally little kids that would be in debate and they always talk like

04:20:01.360 this and I have this thing so you have to think like this so clearly if you uh if you quadrangulate

04:20:07.960 And they talk super fast.

04:20:12.120 They have this droning cadence, like trying to force a point through that if they talk

04:20:18.020 about it fast enough and push it through before you say no, why?

04:20:20.280 You didn't say no.

04:20:21.000 So this passes.

04:20:21.820 So anyways, then this next thing.

04:20:24.420 And I think his cadence sets me off that way.

04:20:27.980 Some of it is the nasally.

04:20:30.040 Some of it is the rate of speaking bugs me.

04:20:34.500 But yeah, I'm just like Richard.

04:20:36.380 What are your thoughts, Fon?

04:20:37.960 uh i i kind of agree with what you said everybody kind of comes from different places

04:20:43.740 my biggest concern and you said this too is that ben shapiro represents a certain group of people

04:20:49.920 i just i think that there's a large group of people that listen to him that he should not

04:20:56.040 be representing um you know i blame them not ben yeah oh that's that is very fair and that is

04:21:04.680 i mean that you can't argue with it but we knew this we are people like to get someone who speaks

04:21:15.700 out steps outside the herd and the popular group think and says some really true things that need

04:21:23.620 to be said and then we immediately glom onto them and then we act as though we're betrayed

04:21:30.260 that they aren't our guy when they never said they were our guy they never told us like there

04:21:38.860 was no trickery we just didn't read the label and that's not that's not their fault

04:21:45.200 i i do have to say though one thing is that a lot of those people they do pronounce their um

04:21:55.580 support for certain things and then of course they demonize anybody that questions against their

04:22:02.240 that which they support and they do that um you know not above board they do it kind of below

04:22:09.240 board um you know and and sling words with ists at the end um um and what have you but i uh

04:22:19.120 i remember like i wasn't gavin mcginnis part of the daily wire back in the day

04:22:25.380 i think one of the first things i ever saw was gavin mcginnis destroyed this feminist woman in

04:22:32.600 in an interview he just like randomly picked her up off the street one of the funniest things he

04:22:37.700 ever said was you know can you give me a an example of a country where socialism works

04:22:42.320 and she was like sweden denmark norway and he was like why are you only choosing white countries

04:22:48.840 and it was the funniest thing I'd ever seen.

04:22:53.280 I guess everybody comes from somewhere

04:22:56.460 and some of that stuff is enlightening

04:22:59.420 if you're in statistics or what have you.

04:23:04.160 But we often refer to it as the pipeline.

04:23:08.260 Everyone's kind of going from the libertarian

04:23:12.420 to the traditional monarchist pipeline.

04:23:16.100 I'm not saying that's 100% true,

04:23:18.840 but we're always evolving.

04:23:21.040 We're kind of like, you know.

04:23:22.760 I could have an enjoyable dinner with Ben Shapiro much more than I could with somebody who shares a lot of heritage with me,

04:23:33.680 but is self-loathing and is, you know, trying to raise their kids transgender and a variety of different stuff.

04:23:43.920 you know

04:23:45.740 we could have a nice dinner

04:23:48.540 probably wouldn't be pork

04:23:50.200 but

04:23:51.240 yeah

04:23:54.660 it'd be nice

04:23:56.480 and that's the thing I think our people

04:24:00.480 so joking aside I think our people

04:24:02.780 don't find

04:24:04.700 commonality when we can

04:24:06.380 we sometimes spend a lot of

04:24:08.740 time

04:24:09.340 fighting the wrong

04:24:12.620 people on

04:24:13.440 silly things sometimes I think a lot of the problems are a lot closer to home and a lot

04:24:21.460 more accessible than some of the people that we perceive there is a hierarchy of threat and

04:24:31.560 lack of interest and I think some of the people we choose to pick petty squabbles with we can

04:24:38.140 coexist with a lot better than a lot of much more immediate much more severe concerns i think we

04:24:45.880 prioritize poorly on that often um this is a really interesting one i like this one a lot i

04:24:54.920 saw it a while ago uh this is kind of an odd question but uh just occurred to me since we

04:25:04.520 doing bloat and worshiping the gods here in myth garden will we also be doing bloat

04:25:11.240 and worshiping the gods in hell with our ancestors

04:25:19.000 that is a great question um yeah i i i believe so i i think that the processes might not be

04:25:28.760 the same mainly because of the physical elements of it um perhaps there's a new physical

04:25:34.520 But I do believe that there is a connection and a cycling of giving that partakes in the world away from time and order, that place, that holding place, that its purpose there, too, is to hold us, you know, so that the cycling can happen.

04:25:57.560 And, you know, that it's a sacred place that survives even Ragnarok.

04:26:04.520 that we do continue a gift cycle with the gods after death um i think that's it's it's part of

04:26:14.000 when we were speaking about before with the sending up of soul parts and sending up of the

04:26:19.800 boons and the blessings that the ancestors give and that the gods allocate into the world in the

04:26:25.020 middle drawing up that root coming to the tree in the well and being replaced in to the the well

04:26:32.160 spring um is that kind of involvement just as much as our ancestors are interacting with us or and

04:26:43.440 and seeing us as well but yeah i i believe so and i think that's a great great question

04:26:50.240 yeah absolutely um first i i love the question and i think it's a really

04:27:09.840 i think the fact that you are asking the question there is

04:27:14.560 evidence that your worldview and the lens with which you're interacting with

04:27:27.840 everything around you is moving very much in the right direction and is is oriented correctly

04:27:36.160 um this is something i've been thinking a lot about lately or in really closely related terms

04:27:44.080 so

04:27:48.240 yeah um and and here's here's the key with all of our lore and anything that we describe

04:27:58.160 so as i said a little while ago hell isn't guarded by an iron gate that you can like poke

04:28:06.080 that has dimensions and you walk there and let's hope they cut off a piece of your shoe

04:28:14.080 because too much leather or you need the extra leather for the super thick uh vidar shoe and

04:28:20.960 like all of these things are symbolic about stuff about our might against fenrir is greater when we

04:28:30.560 care for our dead when we're mindful of not being wasteful when we're intentional in our practice

04:28:37.120 you know you cut the toenails of the dead there's less for the ship for the you know forces of cert

04:28:44.000 to come at the end when it comes to the dead it's not just a bunch of people walking around

04:28:52.240 looking sad in like a cave in like gloomy land somewhere

04:28:58.320 the physical description of that helps us kind of understand certain things

04:29:05.940 and in the same way when we pass beyond the veil are we going to gather around physically in a

04:29:18.560 circle and offer mead or maybe a pig or are we going to do that exactly the same probably not

04:29:29.220 because so many of the things of the reality there are probably very different

04:29:34.240 but are we going to continue to maintain the gift cycle with our gods absolutely we are

04:29:45.040 Are we going to, you know, which is what bloat is?

04:29:49.060 Bloat means sacrifice.

04:29:51.580 That is to take something and to make it sacred. 1.00

04:29:54.400 That is taking something and offering it to the Iser. 0.98

04:29:58.260 Will we give to the Iser after we pass? 0.98

04:30:01.000 Yes, absolutely. 0.88

04:30:04.200 Will we worship the Iser after we pass? 1.00

04:30:09.060 Absolutely we will. 0.95

04:30:11.160 Will we do these things in conjunction with our ancestors who passed before us?

04:30:16.520 Yes, we will.

04:30:17.760 And they will show us how they do it there and how it's different and how it's the same.

04:30:23.760 And all of the questions that we have right now, they'll be able to break it down for us and get us a lot closer to an answer.

04:30:32.940 But, yeah, you bet we will.

04:30:35.120 And it's one of the things I've thought about recently.

04:30:37.020 Now that we have two of our Gothar on the other side, when they passed, did they cease being Gothar?

04:30:46.580 Of course not.

04:30:48.180 They swore oaths. 0.98

04:30:49.800 They're still loyal to the Iser. 0.98

04:30:53.040 They still serve as priests of our gods. 0.98

04:30:58.900 I have the power to ordain them or to revoke their ordination, and I didn't do that.

04:31:06.420 So, yes, they are absolutely to AFA Gothar beyond the veil, serving our church, serving our folk, able to minister to our folk in that realm, whatever that looks like.

04:31:19.520 Does it look the same as it is here to where we get on our like dead people phones and call them up?

04:31:24.940 And I have no idea.

04:31:28.500 It helps us to think of it that way because it makes sense.

04:31:31.980 But the truth is, are the souls of our folk there? Yes. Are the souls of our folk in a realm that is accessible to them in a more one-for-one way than ours is here? Absolutely.

04:31:46.900 Are they still committed to caring for the souls of those that have passed of our folk? You bet they are.

04:31:55.520 so whatever form that takes and what it looks like is probably beyond our wildest

04:32:01.720 imagination but it exists it's there and what we do know is there is relation between the two

04:32:09.700 when people beyond the veil interact with us here in Midgard

04:32:17.340 they are them so how we perceive them is relevant to who they were in the way that we knew them here

04:32:32.340 they are able to connect with that in their interaction with us be it in what we see

04:32:40.940 be it in what we smell, be it in what we hear, be it in a voice or a sound or a presence.

04:32:49.400 So whatever it's like, it's close enough that it translates and it makes sense when they send

04:32:56.320 communication this way. And we can be confident that it makes sense when we send communication

04:33:02.620 that way. We know all of those things to be true. There's so many other things that we have yet to

04:33:09.760 have yet to learn but we know those things are true and so 100 we do that

04:33:17.120 and i'm you know very excited to one day learn just what that looks like

04:33:25.120 um with the rune fehu represent the first action slash principle representing fire as the

04:33:35.840 transformation of one state to another it's fine thoughts yes no um yes i i do believe

04:33:45.440 i saw that question a little while ago when i was when i had went back um

04:33:51.840 however um and again this i'm speaking from my runic practices um i i would say that also the uh

04:34:01.040 kwan room would be well for that as well except considering some of the things you said

04:34:08.960 the transformative state externally um fee and the fire and the golds uh that which you

04:34:17.440 know the expansiveness of muspelheim uh converting and initiating the uh creation

04:34:25.920 by melting niflheim so that's external and then corn or kenna's or uh the keen rune is internal

04:34:36.220 so it becomes much more like a furnace or a a place in which the heat is condensed and the

04:34:45.180 transformative state is done within so if you're looking for the transformative state to be sourced

04:34:52.780 from you and move out to affect the world it would be in my opinion fee or feyhoo and if

04:35:00.460 you were trying to change yourself within transformatively then it would be con or canons

04:35:14.780 so

04:35:22.780 and it it's a good question and i think it warrants like a like a very serious response

04:35:34.260 that's why it's kind of a long pause there it

04:35:37.840 i don't speak in terms of that and it's real nebulous as far as like first action first

04:35:49.060 principle thing representing transformative fire and the more

04:35:58.600 ethereal your verbiage the more you can kind of make anything fit the things you want it to fit

04:36:14.720 i'm not saying you're doing that here but i tend to shy away from likening it to something else

04:36:23.020 because it in and of itself is one of the mysteries of the universe so

04:36:30.360 the rune uh fee is about

04:36:40.740 the accumulation and

04:36:50.060 fluidity of expending energy and recouping energy and that process of circulating

04:37:02.580 resources in whatever form the resources are it is the fluid transfer of

04:37:16.320 because i don't think energy necessarily puts it right of of currency but when i say the word

04:37:27.240 currency we think of it in terms of coin or money and the monetary implication is there in faith

04:37:36.280 and certainly but it's not that it's spending of luck it's spending of hymenian spiritual might

04:37:47.880 it's literally spending of money it's the spending of resources and the churn of resources

04:37:57.000 that through cyclical action of okay i see i don't know if it works as first principle or not i don't

04:38:09.720 speak that but it is fundamentally involved in the idea of the gift cycle so something spirals

04:38:18.360 when you expend wealth and i guess in a in its most fundamental fee is about your purse of that

04:38:28.920 wealth but it's heavily implied that it's the idea of of it's it's specifically mobile and not rooted

04:38:38.680 it's not fixed property it's that that you expend and exchange and spend on stuff money in the money

04:38:47.560 been doesn't mean anything it only means something when you apply it to effect when you buy an ice

04:38:53.960 cream or whatever you spend it on then it has a value until then it is a potential so you're

04:39:01.720 taking potential energy and you are cycling it when we engage in the gift cycle with the gods

04:39:10.200 in a divine way with our friends and family in a you know everyday familial way with our

04:39:21.080 staff or retainers or employees or whatever we're engaged in the continuous cycle of that

04:39:30.840 builds relationship over time it becomes worth more than the sum of its parts

04:39:37.160 If I buy Svon a gift that costs $10, and then he buys me a gift that costs $10, so I buy him another $10 gift, he buys me another one.

04:39:48.420 Every time we do that, we keep $10 of value, but we've built relationship, friendship, loyalty, trust.

04:40:02.880 We've built countless intangibles by circulating the same 10.

04:40:08.900 And that's part of that rune, of the fae rune, is the, through cycling the currency of what you have that you can spend, it's spiraling and becoming more than the sum of its parts.

04:40:35.700 that's fundamental to our gift cycle it's fundamental to all the things we do it's

04:40:39.860 fundamental to the economy you got to spend money to make money it's fundamental to

04:40:47.940 a lot of different processes i don't know that it qualifies with your transformative fire because

04:40:56.180 i think that is much more kina's it's much more count and it's also much more uh now so um the

04:41:07.860 need fire has to do with that transmutation but through desperation and through intense need

04:41:19.700 uh count does that through inspiration um

04:41:29.060 there are elements of that in other rooms that i think fit better than the feed room

04:41:37.860 if that makes sense

04:41:41.700 and i hope it do i think i i think i was overly wordy on that but i think it's counts

04:41:49.700 So, another really interesting question. Wolfthrone, you've got really interesting ones tonight. Not that you don't usually bring good stuff to the table, but some of these are really engaging this evening.

04:42:04.440 If there are human spirits wandering Midgard that we can interact with, how does that fit in an

04:42:13.000 Alcitru worldview? Are some of us doomed to wander Midgard for eternity without ever getting back

04:42:21.340 to our ancestors? Svan, let's say you. We kind of discussed this at length during the soul VNS.

04:42:30.340 um the uh the spiritual part say that you see of you go to a battleground or you uh you know

04:42:45.800 go into a house and you see um the apparition of someone doing things uh this most likely

04:42:56.380 is the hammer, the soul skin, if you will. The soul skin is the part of the body that is sometimes

04:43:07.700 referred to as just being under the skin, if you will. It's also kind of a projection of the das

04:43:15.320 sign or the um the eck and it is imprintable into areas uh but you spoke of interaction and that's

04:43:27.640 interesting um the general sense is that by some way our ancestors do interact with us

04:43:39.080 but uh you know i i wonder about at certain points like um if you ask an ancestor to move something

04:43:47.400 in the room and they do it that is a level of interaction that i'm i'm speculative of um

04:43:56.040 simply because uh you know foul spirits that like to trick people um land spirits uh some you know

04:44:03.560 i know the gauls called them fey um have a tendency to be that way um but overall if

04:44:12.200 you're seeing an apparition it's most likely of the hammer and if you are interacting with

04:44:18.920 your ancestors in um i my experience is that they they they interact with me through very

04:44:28.280 like less uh i don't know obvious means there's there's sometimes through dreams um through a

04:44:36.760 general sense of uh you know like finding things that uh were connected to them or learning about

04:44:43.800 things or finding a little piece of something from a photograph to a part in a book or handwriting

04:44:50.360 whatever i i believe those are interactions that i have with my ancestors

04:44:53.880 but if we're talking about like spooky haunting stuff um i i generally point towards the the more

04:45:03.120 of the iller spirits um and they are few and far between um that have a tendency to you know uh

04:45:12.360 do things so are you destined to roam i don't think so i think that um you are you can leave

04:45:21.000 parts here i don't know if perhaps maybe being marked as a needling so badly that you you're like

04:45:29.000 trapped here for a while but my general idea is that you you aren't you can leave parts of your

04:45:35.960 soul in places parts of your imprint you leave your your leak with here um it's just as simple

04:45:44.360 too that you could also leave your hammer here um when you when you pass on but your soul

04:45:52.120 and your ek they travel on um and they interact with your your descendants um that's what interacts

04:46:00.840 with your descendants and you can interact with them in i think very very subtle ways

04:46:06.760 because all things that kind of move through the well and the and the tree are not so

04:46:14.360 often egregiously forward i think that the gods work often in that same way they don't work

04:46:22.360 just come down flip a switch instead knowing as they know because they're gods they

04:46:30.440 they work through longhand um interaction and i think that our ancestry is is the same way

04:46:38.840 so do i believe that ghosts are all the actual south of someone living here i don't

04:46:46.440 i believe that their um their imprints are pieces of their soul

04:46:53.080 so

04:47:02.680 we like to talk about the things that we know are true

04:47:08.120 And then there's, you know, believe it or not, there is a wide swath of things that we do not know all the answers for.

04:47:19.980 And I think that when we deal with ghosts and stuff, it's one of those areas.

04:47:28.440 Ghosts are a thing.

04:47:30.000 Like, we know that that is true.

04:47:32.180 what the depth and breadth of that thing

04:47:37.340 and that phenomenon is,

04:47:40.640 I think there's a lot of variety there in a lot of ways.

04:47:45.580 So, first, I don't...

04:47:54.580 so

04:47:58.080 our

04:48:02.060 the world of the living and the world of the dead

04:48:05.520 is separated by a very thin veil

04:48:08.140 it's not like

04:48:11.200 they all get on a shuttle and go to Mars

04:48:14.560 and like can't come back here and there's no

04:48:17.700 crossover interaction or ability

04:48:21.320 so like oh only the

04:48:23.440 So, you know, the spirits that are interacted with must be left behind and not possibly capable of going to the ancestors.

04:48:35.720 But there's two.

04:48:40.920 When I say there's two, I think even that is presumptuous.

04:48:45.280 There is a variety of interaction with the dead.

04:48:53.440 there is you know ghosts and spirits that interact with us in a positive

04:49:03.320 the heck was that i perhaps one is irritated it's fun right now

04:49:12.100 and making strange noises through his clock um i actually looked up uh ghosts and geists

04:49:20.240 and something i clicked on like i had a sound with it there you go you'll mess with the hate so um

04:49:32.720 okay so like swan said i do think that there is imprints and like lingering chunks of soul

04:49:42.400 that when you see something that's not interactive and you know bear with me when we talk about these

04:49:50.640 things it's hard to have a really firm language that encapsulates the things we're trying to say

04:49:59.040 in a precise way so when there is intelligent interaction that's different than like sometimes

04:50:11.120 battlefields where you'll see the same people report seeing the same scene

04:50:17.680 replay over and over and over again with stuff i think that there are echoes of soul pieces

04:50:26.800 that when there's moments of intense very intense emotion or very intense things sometimes there's

04:50:34.560 the imprinting that goes on there that is unique and not interactive

04:50:44.880 when you deal with interaction i think there's a lot of different things in play

04:50:49.520 i think there are spirits that interact that are not you know people on the other side of the veil

04:50:59.920 i don't know exactly what that is all the time and i think it's probably a variety of things

04:51:06.400 that's a that's an interesting scenario i think there are also you know ghosts that are people

04:51:15.920 that are not alive anymore that are part of these interactions

04:51:21.440 i don't know if there's a time and a place like i don't know if you don't get let in by your

04:51:29.960 ancestors but you're not quite consigned to the strand yet and there's some kind of a period there

04:51:36.620 where you gotta figure some stuff out there does seem to be there's too many examples of it for it

04:51:44.460 not to exist for there to be a thing to where there's the restless spirit that can't move on

04:51:52.460 but is kind of stuck in that process i believe that that exists i don't know exactly what

04:52:03.340 situation causes that um but i think that's often very extreme and you have that when

04:52:10.060 in there's very dramatic occurrences sometimes but I think there are areas where the dead interact

04:52:24.040 more freely with the living like I think that like at a at your altar you have a better

04:52:31.120 focal point of interaction with your ancestors than you do you know on the bus

04:52:39.680 i think that at the graveside you have a more potent interaction with a deceased person

04:52:49.440 because it in and of itself is like an altar it's like a sacred space in a way it's a portal that

04:52:56.340 communicates with them because a portion of their their leak is there um

04:53:05.860 i think that functions in a special way i say i think that does function in a special way

04:53:14.660 um

04:53:14.900 the inner you know we believe that the dc or follow us and look on from beyond and interact

04:53:30.740 with us and do things and we even try to summon them at times in ritual and they make their way

04:53:39.140 to us so yeah there's a world on the other side of the veil that i don't think functions the same

04:53:49.060 with place because my grandmother visits me at a dc or bloat i don't think that means that she's

04:53:56.980 trapped and like doesn't get she's not allowed in to the other worlds i think our worlds overlap

04:54:03.780 in a lot of ways through that veil i think that there is the ability to

04:54:10.980 you know walk amongst and around uh midgarther in a way when you are beyond the veil that is

04:54:21.380 different but still you know geographically you can manifest parts of yourself or interact with

04:54:30.180 the world of the living in a lot of ways so then i'm like you know does that but what does that

04:54:36.260 mean are there you know some of us doomed to wander midgard for eternity without ever

04:54:42.900 you know getting back to our ancestors maybe so this is where our default is

04:54:50.580 i don't know all the rules i don't the gods can do what they would like to do

04:54:55.300 if our gods are like hey this guy hadn't figured it out yet so you know what Leroy how about this

04:55:03.100 you walk around for the rest of eternity until you figure it out and maybe you don't ever figure

04:55:09.380 I don't know could that exist sure if that's the will of the all father then sure we don't hear of

04:55:18.460 that we know a little bit about you know we hear again we don't see it a lot in lore we hear about

04:55:28.540 it in a couple of sagas about like drowder that you know are unsettled dead but we don't have a

04:55:37.260 lot of mythos based around that we've got a ton based around interacting with your ancestors

04:55:43.420 and those seem to be able to come and interact and then go back to where they are in their realm

04:55:50.540 so i don't think that that the one equals the other i know it's kind of a fuzzy answer

04:55:56.460 but you know i have not been gifted with with the full the full picture of what happens after death

04:56:04.060 um that's that's to say it's easy to figure out all the things you know

04:56:10.940 we don't know tons of stuff but we do know a lot of things we do know that our ancestors

04:56:16.780 do interact with us here in midgard we do know that they interact with us tangibly in a lot of

04:56:23.180 different ways i think that the logic puzzle of well if they can interact then why don't they

04:56:29.660 fix my whole life why don't they do this why don't you know why don't we call in a brigade of like

04:56:36.620 viking ghosts to overcome our foes what because it doesn't work like that it doesn't work like

04:56:42.620 that i don't know exactly why it doesn't work like that other than it doesn't that's not the

04:56:48.540 the physics of our reality but we do know that those interactions happen we see them we experience

04:56:56.140 them they are a thing i've experienced them in my life and you know they're a thing as much as

04:57:02.460 you know this camera is a thing or as much we're having this conversation is a thing it happens

04:57:08.320 so it's a long long way around yes both those things may exist i don't know somebody could

04:57:14.880 be cursed to wander the earth for the rest of eternity as a ghost because gods don't like them

04:57:21.920 Possibly.

04:57:24.040 But I don't know that that's the case.

04:57:31.400 Not fluent in Old Norse, but I'd like to be one day.

04:57:34.740 I've always thought it would be cool to have a leather-bound book that was exclusively written in runes.

04:57:39.600 Is that even possible?

04:57:41.160 You can absolutely get a bunch of parchment and write a bunch of stuff in runes and put it in leather.

04:57:48.000 All right, it's fun.

04:57:48.960 Open it up and tell me it's all written in runes.

04:57:51.380 yes it is behold the possibility exists you can do it the only thing stopping you is you

04:58:03.000 spawn has manifested it in midgard you've seen it here folks i think that was a setup

04:58:09.840 no i don't know no no at the same time like as soon as i saw the the question i was like

04:58:18.480 Nope. And I clicked off and ran and grabbed it.

04:58:23.380 There you have it, folks. And I want to learn Old Norse, too.

04:58:27.560 We're trying. I'm much closer than I was before.

04:58:30.820 Learning a lot of different little things. Learn a lot of vocabulary.

04:58:35.080 The declinations of stuff is really hard for me.

04:58:38.440 I'm not a linguistics guy. I never have been.

04:58:41.640 I'm chipping away at it a little bit every day.

04:58:43.780 um working on the memorize doing all right with it i do have to say that's not written in old

04:58:51.940 norse that's actually written in english i will say that much but but it is cool to like find a

04:58:57.960 crazy big old leather bound book and just start writing and ruining it's written in the folk

04:59:02.640 thark english swan has betrayed us thought it was all in the old north no no that's gonna be

04:59:09.700 too mundane english um how dare you trying to click on my my old norse deal that i'm on

04:59:22.900 anyways i think i'm just messing up what i was doing i was hoping i'd get to see where i was

04:59:26.660 on the leaderboard because i thought that was going to be cool flex but yeah so a lot a number

04:59:32.900 of us are working on that right now um ml wiz i have no idea who you are but i would invite you

04:59:39.860 to join us on our quest to learn the old norse we need more people to be able to talk to one another

04:59:47.140 and work with each other on it and we'll get there faster um i'd love to have some people

04:59:52.740 that are already fluent know how to do it uh help us out with stuff that would be awesome

04:59:58.020 look at my stiff competition

05:00:03.700 anyways

05:00:08.020 anyways if you go by the month i'm barely behind i haven't done it in like a week

05:00:17.580 boohoo i was traveling i was traveling i was on a journey i could not do it while i was at

05:00:24.960 You've apparently done it a little bit

05:00:27.360 because I was like 40,000 ahead of you.

05:00:30.360 Well,

05:00:31.300 so, okay, this is the thing.

05:00:33.980 This silliness does illustrate

05:00:35.660 a thing. It's cooler when you're doing it with

05:00:37.520 some people and you can compare

05:00:39.840 and you can have fun little rivalries

05:00:41.980 and fun little stuff.

05:00:43.820 It's neat. I'm learning a whole lot.

05:00:46.080 The Old Norse really does help me

05:00:47.900 understand and internalize

05:00:50.020 our lore in a really

05:00:53.860 special way so i would encourage other folks to to do some of that now i'm focused on the thing

05:01:04.340 and trying to see if nick gets the stuff right i've gotten all these so far you gotta take my

05:01:08.980 word for it anyways i'll keep on what we're doing but yeah anybody who wants to let's do it a bunch

05:01:18.180 of us do it together it'll help out and maybe we'll even get somebody who's good at language

05:01:23.380 that can help us or maybe somebody who is a native icelandic speaker who can help us

05:01:29.460 because a lot of the rules are really similar uh maybe swan can help us with like

05:01:37.300 up to third grade icelandic or something and you know

05:01:45.380 he he can he can break down some of that for us uh yeah after child talk you're on your own

05:01:53.380 no i don't know about gaga goo goo and me and whatever else um cow cow no here we go see

05:02:03.940 you're holding out all right so last question of the night um is it cowardly to walk away from a

05:02:12.260 fight uh it's fine break that down for us uh i would argue it depends on if you got somebody

05:02:23.540 who's talking a lot of smack to you and they they don't have an ounce of fear um they probably got

05:02:30.820 a gun and you should probably just you know walk away there's a lot of folks down here in the south

05:02:36.740 um and i see it a lot at like at gas stations and things of that nature and i live in a very

05:02:44.020 diverse and rich um tapestry of of people um and i've been told it is my greatest strength

05:02:52.420 but i've learned much wisdom by living in these places and um one of them is again if if a guy's

05:02:58.820 trying to goad you into fight and he he doesn't have any ounce anything and he's completely sober

05:03:04.580 you might want to just consider letting it go. And there might be, there might be something

05:03:13.980 there bigger than a punch coming at you. However, at certain times too, you know, when

05:03:20.020 there's certain fights that are unavoidable and you have, I mean, stepping up, knowing how to fight

05:03:27.120 training is really, really important. I would not want to be a guy who needs to fight and not

05:03:34.080 knowing how to fight. I'm thankful that that's not the case for me, but for other people, like

05:03:39.360 if you, you should train because there are fights that you may never be able to walk away from.

05:03:49.520 So

05:03:50.080 I've seen a lot of progress in this regard,

05:03:58.280 but we still run into people

05:04:03.400 that want to treat

05:04:07.960 also true like a

05:04:10.400 I don't know like a viking theme park and not like a real

05:04:16.000 thing

05:04:16.540 and I've had literal people like no

05:04:21.980 if you read the lore clearly and this is a

05:04:25.400 As much as I love Culture of the Teutons, everything is so very absolute that real humans didn't ever do that.

05:04:37.280 if every man is obliged to answer every single other man's challenge for a fight

05:04:47.260 every time it occurs ever if they ever say something you don't like

05:04:51.620 that wouldn't function well as a society ever there's no circumstance so

05:05:01.620 So, if the only way you can prove right versus wrong is by a duel all of the time, then there would be nobility.

05:05:15.300 There would be no nobility.

05:05:16.840 It would just be the angriest, feel the least pain.

05:05:24.500 You would just have these big bullies.

05:05:26.220 You would have the berserker.

05:05:27.900 The berserker would be king.

05:05:29.260 That's not how things work.

05:05:31.620 it's not ever how things worked not in the long run not if that was a policy all the time

05:05:38.980 every old man would have to give way to every young man because they'd face every challenge

05:05:46.740 and you're 80 and you're you know the wise sage of your people but a guy who's 20 wants to pick 0.70

05:05:54.180 a fight with you well he called me a name we got a fight you'd have no elders nothing nothing would

05:06:03.380 get done because every time the king tries to do anything random peasant dude challenges all right

05:06:12.020 guys we gotta stop i know we're having an important meeting about you know famine and stuff i gotta

05:06:18.180 to go fight what's his name again oh yeah the guy that cleans out the stables over it you know

05:06:24.240 three provinces to the south we got to go throw down because he said i was funny looking

05:06:31.040 no real scenario works that way um also if it has if it works that way

05:06:42.440 then everybody with nothing to lose would take everything from people who have everything to lose. 0.98

05:06:52.720 If I suck and have nothing going in my life and I'm just a drug addict, homeless, vagrant, 0.99

05:07:01.880 then cool. How about I challenge you for your house? I got nothing to lose, but if we get 0.99

05:07:09.120 caught or whatever, you can go to jail. You can have all these consequences. I have no consequence.

05:07:15.620 And if I win, I take your house or whatever the thing is. That's not how society functions,

05:07:21.480 not how men ever function. Yes, there are circumstances where you are put in a scenario 0.97

05:07:28.660 where a fight needs to happen. And I'm not suggesting there aren't.

05:07:33.880 but just work out the logic and i've had this before i actually counseled a guy who

05:07:42.360 was involved in an altitude one time and i forget what it was but like it was literally

05:07:48.180 my friend called me a name do i need to duel him to the death to regain my honor

05:07:55.980 if you read culture of the teutons and you did not apply common sense

05:08:08.420 then yes literally that's what you might have to do 0.99

05:08:12.940 no one ever lived like that it would be the stupidest advice ever you would maintain your 1.00

05:08:21.060 honor but spend the rest of your life in prison because you murdered your friend 1.00

05:08:26.180 because he called you a name that's stupid so i think the biggest indication of cowardice 1.00

05:08:38.660 why aren't you fighting if the reason that you avoid a conflict is because you are scared 1.00

05:08:46.820 and if the odds are one man versus one man then that might well be cowardice

05:08:54.340 if there's a gang of dudes and they try to goad you into a fight and you're one guy and it's one 0.99

05:09:03.100 guy and 50 guys no that's stupid that's not cowardice that's just you know that's just 0.99

05:09:11.420 dumb in the spawn scenario some rando dude tries to force you into a fight in a really 0.99

05:09:19.020 suspicious circumstance no that person's probably not going by the rules that you're going by 0.99

05:09:25.980 but you know when it comes crashing down and it hurts inside you gotta be a man you can't let it

05:09:34.760 slide sometimes sometimes things happen and you got to take care of it and it's whatever i get

05:09:42.740 that i understand that i'm a man i've been in a number of fights in my lifetime i get it what

05:09:50.420 swan said is really important you should always be prepared because sometimes you're in the spot

05:09:55.420 you can't avoid it i'm not saying you got a duty to retreat i'm not saying any of that

05:10:01.000 She has some sense.

05:10:04.180 Don't sacrifice your freedom and your job and your family and like important things over inconsequential things.

05:10:14.560 If someone is threatening to hurt you or people that you love and care about and you run and hide instead of addressing that appropriately, then that might very well be cowardice.

05:10:31.000 But what I found really good is you don't always have to take the bait. 0.97

05:10:35.300 You can sidestep a lot of really stupid things by not going down a road. 0.91

05:10:41.540 Very seldom have I seen fights be instantaneous things. 0.99

05:10:48.460 They're a process.

05:10:51.200 Hey, what you looking at?

05:10:54.440 And then you say something rude. 0.69

05:10:56.920 who said oh that's what i thought homie what's up

05:11:01.020 and then you go through this whole song and dance thing

05:11:05.100 that ends up in a fight

05:11:07.120 what you got a problem no i'm all right we're good

05:11:13.840 yes what i thought because i didn't think you had a problem i know i said i didn't have a problem

05:11:19.680 we're good man you have a good night how about you you know enjoy your evening

05:11:23.840 none of those things are being cowardly but you could accelerate at any point you could

05:11:31.820 you know do you want there to be a problem well that's what i said i mean if you want a problem

05:11:39.640 we can make a problem cool i'm all about the problems you you can go you can bring it there

05:11:47.520 or you can de-escalate it like dude i'm in my 40s i got stuff to do we're all out drinking

05:11:57.660 enjoy your night have fun you know cool you don't need to make it something

05:12:04.900 but if you engage in a certain cycle it becomes something and then you get yourself to a spot

05:12:11.860 where you can't get out of it i've seen a lot of things in my life where you can avoid a lot of

05:12:17.620 fights happening and when i say that i don't mean in spots with people that i think would

05:12:24.720 have taken me i mean that in spots where i would have easily destroyed them

05:12:30.260 but there's no point to that it wasn't necessary you can just avoid stuff

05:12:38.740 and we have a lot of grown men that want to pretend you can't a lot of the time you can

05:12:46.000 sometimes you can't so the best thing i've found is being ready for it and being prepared and if

05:12:51.740 you have the confidence and they smell it on you that if you have to you can handle what you got

05:12:58.320 and this is the thing this all may sound very theoretical if somebody hasn't been in the

05:13:03.380 situation. But if you have been, and I saw, I've seen this many times in my life. When I was a

05:13:13.860 young man and I'd never been involved in anything, I'd never been in a fight. I was completely

05:13:19.260 untested. I was scared of lots of stuff. I didn't know what it was like. I didn't know what I would

05:13:26.540 do i didn't know there was all these unknowns and i reeked of nervous energy i suppose

05:13:36.700 and fights happen when i say this i wasn't like roaming the streets like i was a bouncer i was

05:13:41.100 in the spot where things happened by the nature of my employment but i was in a lot of fights

05:13:50.700 when i didn't know what to do i didn't know how to do things i knew that i knew that i didn't want

05:13:56.860 to be a coward and i knew that i was going to show up but i was super shaky about what that meant

05:14:04.060 i was in a lot of stuff by the time i stopped bouncing i was hardly ever in a fight

05:14:10.540 and it wasn't because i'm you know some amazing you know whatever it was because i didn't have

05:14:18.780 i didn't go in there with the fear of nervousness i didn't feel like i constantly

05:14:25.500 needed to prove how not scared i was because i knew i was scared

05:14:30.940 i wasn't scared and i'm like all right well if this needs to go a certain way i know i'm gonna

05:14:35.340 do but you know what i don't want to deal with the police i don't want to deal with this other

05:14:43.020 nonsense i got better stuff to do tonight so you know dude just enjoy your evening and go home

05:14:51.500 but the other thing is you build up a certain amount of cool points or stuff within yourself

05:15:02.220 to where you're confident that you have to do things and and this is not the question but i'm

05:15:09.020 i'm going to continue to go on it because i think it's important just like we have an attitude that

05:15:15.660 if you aren't if you don't temper your reading of certain epic things with reality

05:15:24.620 as you've come to know it as an adult man you can get the idea that nope you are honor bound

05:15:32.860 to fight every time anybody looks at you funny because you can't lose your your respect because

05:15:38.860 they have taken a piece of your soul that you have to reclaim through their destruction um

05:15:46.940 and that's almost literally what it says in grown back which again you guys have heard me crow on

05:15:51.740 here it's one of my favorite books you just got to read it with some common sense um but we also

05:15:58.300 get like that on forgiveness and like letting some stuff slide

05:16:03.580 you get some drunk guy that's 130 pounds that's there with his girlfriend that makes really poor

05:16:11.340 life decisions you are not well served by grinding him into a pace that doesn't need to be done it's

05:16:24.140 not a legitimate threat to you nobody looking genuinely thinks that guy poked you because

05:16:32.140 he scuffed your kicks or whatever kind of nonsense

05:16:37.820 and you stay out of trouble and sometimes it's just a nice thing to do to not

05:16:44.620 lay waste to every person who looks at you sideways when you know you have the ability to

05:16:54.340 that doesn't make you cowardly or whatever else sometimes it just makes you a decent human being

05:17:02.260 um we have those those issues of discernment if you have reasons that you choose to do the things

05:17:10.060 you do fine if you're reacting out of an instinctual terror of conflict then yeah

05:17:16.860 you're a coward you should fix that but i mean there's a lot of boys that find themselves

05:17:25.100 in the world of men unexpectedly and thrown in over their head and they're terrified 0.99

05:17:32.060 there's nothing wrong with

05:17:35.180 there's nothing unnatural or outside of the norm of starting out terrified

05:17:40.060 terrified, there is shame in ending terrified. But if you recognize within yourself that you are

05:17:46.820 scared of fights, develop the confidence to where you're not. It's not so much whether you get into

05:17:55.260 them or whether you don't, but it's whether you are crippled by fear or not. If you are scared

05:18:01.560 because you do not think you will fare well in a reasonable fight, train up.

05:18:09.120 Just the process of you becoming proficient will very likely prevent it

05:18:15.020 from ever really being an issue for you, depending on your lifestyle choice.

05:18:20.200 That's what I got for this evening.

05:18:21.820 I said that was the last question, and it knew.

05:18:26.460 Appreciate you guys being with us tonight.

05:18:28.520 Turned out to be a little bit longer show.

05:18:30.620 I know this is really good.

05:18:35.340 I'm glad we got through the poem this evening.

05:18:38.960 Look forward to seeing you guys next week.

05:18:45.440 But, yeah, it's been nice talking to you guys tonight.

05:18:47.740 We've had a good chat room.

05:18:48.860 It's been really good to have you back, Wolf Throne.

05:18:50.900 You always throw us really good questions, some really great ones tonight.

05:18:57.280 um as always i've been i've enjoyed sharing my wednesday evening with you

05:19:03.120 um yeah i'll see you next week please think about attending frayer's harvest feast in montana if

05:19:12.720 that's something that you're able to do love to meet you there it's going to come up quicker than

05:19:17.600 you realize but uh yeah if i don't talk to you before then i will see you next wednesday on

05:19:24.200 another exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

05:19:26.820 I will be joined by some of our amazing leadership from the New York's Hoff

05:19:31.460 District.

05:19:32.720 Those of you that don't know, that's kind of the Gulf of Mexico,

05:19:39.440 Southern states with a couple of, there we go.

05:19:41.980 Nick's got it up here.

05:19:43.720 So it's like deep South plus Texas, Oklahoma, and Arkansas.

05:19:50.300 and it also includes folks in South America

05:19:54.900 and folks in South Africa.

05:19:58.320 But we'll see y'all next week.

05:20:00.660 Until then, hail the Aesir, hail the folk, hail the AFA.

05:20:05.780 Remember, victory never sleeps.

05:20:08.180 Bye, everyone.

05:20:20.300 We'll be right back.

05:20:50.300 Thank you.

05:21:20.300 We'll be right back.

05:21:50.300 We'll be right back.

05:22:20.300 Thank you.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - August 22, 2024

8⧸21⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 111 - Þrymskviða

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