In this episode of Victory Never Sleeps, I talk about the recent trip to Freyfaxi, the upcoming events at Baldershavn, and the upcoming upcoming events in the upcoming months. I also talk about how to become a member of the AFA and what you can do to get involved.
00:04:12.000And like I say, if you've not gotten to experience yet, you're missing out, and we would invite you to.
00:04:17.420So keep in mind, I always kind of plug events that are upcoming.
00:04:27.860And yes, we definitely want you to go to those. And the ones that I plug are kind of national level, certainly regional level showcase events. But keep in mind, there is a holy observance at each of our Hoffs every single month, as well as at Sigurheim every single month, even if it's, you know, there are some that are certainly bigger than others.
00:04:55.720So you have the opportunity every month to attend something somewhere if you'd like.
00:05:05.500That said, all right, so I might as well plug the upcoming events now in as good a time as any.
00:05:15.380So to get started on that, coming up in September is Frayer's Harvest Feast, and that is going to be in Montana.
00:05:27.040And I'm looking forward to that. That's going to be very, very exciting.
00:05:32.420That's one that I've wanted to make it to in the past, and I have not made it to, and that I will definitely be at this year.
00:05:38.960So I'm looking forward to that, and I would love to meet any and all of you there.
00:05:44.820So if you would like to make that happen, let's let's do it.
00:05:50.740Following in October for the first time ever held in New Hampshire, it's going to be the AFA Winter Nights.
00:05:59.520You've heard me talk many times on here about Winter Nights.
00:06:02.980Winter Nights is a deeply moving event, a deeply moving holy tide, and something that's very accessible because we all have ancestors who have crossed beyond the veil.
00:06:18.520We all have mothers and grandmothers and great-grandmothers that have passed that look on after us.
00:06:25.180And so that connection is really palpable.
00:06:28.740it's going to be set at a really beautiful time of year i'm told that's going to be like the peak
00:06:35.640leaf change full effect fall time for new hampshire so we're pretty excited about that
00:06:42.540and i would love to meet you all there it's going to be a really nice event and i'm very
00:06:46.720much looking forward to it um and then following that in november in south dakota we have the
00:06:54.400at the feast of the iron here yards the fourth annual feast of the iron here you are as a
00:06:59.600kind of large level afa large scale afa event um i'm doing the same spot we did last year so it's
00:07:07.840a really nice location worked out really well i'm looking forward to that uh love to see it all these
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00:16:46.440I think most folks who are familiar with the stories via a storytelling point, maybe not a poetic point, this is the kind of the famous or infamous Thor's wedding story about where he he has to go and attain something.
00:17:11.320well he has to go and attain his hammer if you're familiar with it and um he has to
00:17:17.560he gets put into a compromising spoiler alerts yeah spoiler alerts
00:17:23.260we will go into all of the content of the poem he has to be put into a compromising position
00:17:30.280i mean most people i think are are familiar these this one and and thor's trip
00:17:39.940to Jotunheim these two really stand out and they rightfully so these are just great
00:17:48.120they're great stories this one is really really good and I would say too if you're interested in
00:17:54.960learning Old Norse this poem specifically stands out to me as one that is really good at
00:18:04.020allowing you to cross translate between English and Old Norse and, and kind of get a good
00:18:12.340roadmap. But, um, the, the, the name Thryms Skvidas, because it is the poem of Thrym or the
00:18:23.140saying of Thrym, um, even though it's clearly about, uh, Lord Thor and, um, his adventures in
00:18:32.940Jotunheim, it is spoken about the Jotun that is kind of the focus of the story on the opposite
00:18:42.480side. So it's Threme's poem, because again, if you named every poem after the gods, there are so
00:18:50.600many, it would create some filing errors. So you want to generally, they named the poems after the
00:18:59.900opponents and that, um, you know, narrowed it down, but many opponent, uh, that Thor,
00:19:08.800you know, meets. And if anyone's familiar with the MO of the storm father,
00:19:14.180it's going to be a bloody brutal ending. So anytime he's involved, that's, that's the general
00:19:25.500purpose of his understanding of his might but i mean outside of that without any you know spoilers
00:19:31.900um this um i'm trying to think because i you know we're doing this kind of off the top of our heads
00:19:42.360um right as we go so i mean referencing to other stories is like very minimal even though the last
00:19:50.640couple of poems have really referenced other stories and you'll notice that some poems are
00:19:58.160built heavily on that and are often written in other books um this poem may not have been very
00:20:05.520well known um because there isn't a lot of referencing and rightfully so i think the subject
00:20:14.720is i think that at this time there is a kind of a perhaps a laughable moment towards the gods and
00:20:23.360i'm not saying that our ancestors didn't have a good sense of humor about the gods being in
00:20:30.160in predicaments or stories where they're they're quite funny um but i think it was lesser known
00:20:38.480just lesser accepted because of the strange and kind of predicament that Thor finds himself in.
00:20:46.880And I think that this is going into a larger point about our ancestors in the Nordic countries
00:20:53.760and their social mores. And it's another thing to consider. When the poems were being written down,
00:21:03.360The stories, we don't know how long they were around. Many of them, I think, go all the way back to the to the source of our people, because there's even references to certain things that happened before the migration era.
00:21:19.720um they they've just changed names um but we don't know how long they've been around and when
00:21:27.640things started to get written down it was it was after the conversion of christianity
00:21:32.800in iceland and there was this slow kind of demonization of the gods um and what you end
00:21:41.480up finding is a lot of people kind of flaring perhaps old stories with a new mindset of
00:21:49.680um a lack of importance a lack of piety within them um we see that too in greece with the
00:21:57.940with the philosophes turning religious um stories into dramas so now you know you read a story uh
00:22:07.280about you know zeus uh committing all kinds of strange acts and a lot of that came about
00:22:15.560because they were in the era of the philosophes and and the uh the thespians and the people that
00:22:21.560were you know writing these dramas were doing them in a sense of impiety and um they were doing it
00:22:30.440really to keep the audience because if you do just something based off of religious vigor they're
00:22:36.260they're, there's, they're not going to stay. So they turned into, you know, uh, questionable
00:22:43.720and, um, raunchy kind of stories. Um, and I think that that was kind of a prelude to the end.
00:22:52.760So I'm not saying it was as bad in, in the, uh, Nordic lands, but it kind of has the same
00:22:59.680feeling we already see it with um not so much with snorty but we do see it with uh saxo grammaticus
00:23:07.620the dane um he wrote about the gods as humans and he kind of put them into compromising positions to
00:23:16.460show their uh their their nature was not only ungodly but um you know sometimes laughable
00:23:28.780so bear that in mind and i don't think that it it's we just covered locust sana and locust sana
00:23:36.300is really heavy with a lot of that so this isn't so bad but yeah bearing that in mind
00:28:13.960there you go um ready to get cracking whenever spawn is he is still being muted because
00:28:26.440nick is trying to trying to squash his ability to communicate with our folk here don't know why
00:28:33.800to be fair i did not mute him no it's me it's me i i keep uh muting to make sure there's um
00:28:41.640um not a lot of noise coming through uh because i actually might even have like family running
00:28:49.080through the uh room behind me in just a moment um yeah it's it's comedic and to anybody with
00:28:56.520you know half a brain would know that it's comedic and funny because of its abnormality
00:29:04.520and um i think that that's kind of like you said in the last like eight years it's kind of been
00:29:11.780lost in folks but um there's also some underlying points that i find interesting in the story
00:29:18.180um that harken back to other things and that's you know kind of the the there is
00:29:28.140Aryan myth cycle that is repeated and you can see it in different groups. And then this one
00:29:35.220too has Nordic myth cycle that repeats within the stories consistently. Um, but yeah.
00:29:47.500All right. Well, begin whenever you are ready.
00:29:50.480Yeah, I was going to say, too, I just looked at the Bellows notes, and he wrote down that this poem is assumed its present form, most critics agree, somewhere around the year 900, which is 100 years before the conversion of Iceland.
00:30:10.700Iceland was converted in the year 1000. And then it was a process of removing the native faith and implementing the foreign faith.
00:30:28.240So, you know, whether that took, you know, 100 years to perhaps 200, I would say definitely about by the 100 mark, it was definitely the faith was practiced in secret.
00:30:43.800Though there wasn't a lot of physical threat to being Ausatru afterwards, all that we hold dear is only a generation away from being lost, whether it's our liberty, whether it's our faith as being Ausatru and all that we are building.
00:31:08.580And the reason why it's so important to ensure that your children carry on the faith is because in one generation, it can be lost.
00:31:36.660And that this first page is what it's really about. But I will say it does have some really good haiti of Thor straight out the gate.
00:31:52.700so here uh in stanza number one it says wild was ving thor when he awoke and when his mighty hammer
00:32:04.380he missed oh excuse me sorry guys the uh background noise
00:32:10.100okay wild was ving thor when he awoke and when he his mighty hammer he missed
00:32:20.280He shook his beard, his hair bristling as the son of yours about him sought.
00:32:28.980So one of his is Ving Thor, the the hurling or throwing Thor, the one who who, you know, chucks or or, you know, pitches pitching, if you will.
00:32:45.460um and when he awakes he can't find his hammer and again there's a referencing to the fact that
00:32:53.360his beard is bristling if you notice in some of the artwork especially statuary from the old
00:32:59.100norse period um there's commonalities with the storm father and one of them is the glaring eyes
00:33:05.880the other one is you know just a bristling beard and oftentimes gnashing teeth so um
00:33:15.160again to this brings to point he is the son of yarth which is our aust veneer a goddess
00:33:25.320of the earth um so he is born of the earth and he his his father is the sky is lord of it um
00:33:35.880and he becomes that synthesis between the two of them.
00:33:40.800And it's worth just remembering, too, like,
00:35:04.600he uh he is immediately speaking to what he who he believes is the culprit and uh it never quite
00:35:15.900specifies um the the stealing of it it's just simply gone and that's what i mean by goes right
00:35:26.940into um the the plot the plot is the hammer is gone not exactly about who took it or who snuck in
00:35:36.940Again, being under the watchful eye of Heimdallr. But the story is really about the power of the gods being grounded into the middle realm. The hammer has now moved from the heavenly realm into the middle realm. And I think that has more significance.
00:35:58.920um and again we're still establishing so uh the storm father says to the dwelling in number three
00:36:10.880to the dwelling fair of freya went they hear now the speech that first he spake
00:36:18.120wilt thou freya thy feather dress lend me that so my hammer i may seek
00:36:26.340so really this is um even though thor is speaking this is going to end up being given to loki
00:36:37.300so loki has now been tasked so when you read it in some books under the threat of bodily harm
00:36:44.820loki is tasked to go to um the holy freya's hall and this is one of those repeated um
00:36:55.440of using the the powers that the the uh the saver power of freya in order to step between worlds
00:37:12.360without having to you know arduous crossing liminal spaces it's it's it's much faster and
00:37:21.860that is a continuing thing over and over again um freya speaks in number four she says
00:37:32.200thine should it be though of silver bright and i would give it though to her gold so she's saying
00:37:41.980um it would be yours if it was silver bright i would give it to you if it was gold
00:37:46.900then loki flew and the feather dress word till he left behind him the home of the gods
00:37:55.640and reached at last the realm of the giants so she's basically starting to set the
00:38:04.620um severity myonir is the greatest weapon they have against the forces of chaos
00:38:15.180It's the greatest weapon that the earth has against the forces of chaos.1.00
00:38:21.020The Jotuns constantly inflow with resistance and pull out with dissipation.1.00
00:38:29.940And the maintenance of our world, the very thing that keeps the fabric of our world together is the Stormfather and his keeping them at bay.1.00
00:39:04.140Take this Loki, which also lends towards her distrust of him.
00:39:09.400And he leaves behind heaven and descends into the middle realm, the land of the giants.
00:39:18.920And Threen, in number five, sat on a mound.
00:39:26.020The giant's master, leashes of gold he laid for his dogs and stroked and smoothed the manes of his steeds.
00:39:37.320so this might throw people off when it says the giant's master um and again it's referring to
00:39:47.880he is a master and he is a master of hounds and he is a master of uh steeds and they're
00:39:56.680emphasizing that along with the fact that they're bound by leashes of gold um so
00:40:03.640So the idea here is that Therim is not, and the audience would instantly know, this is
00:40:12.920a lord of the earth, he is not some thirster who chucks rocks, if you will.
00:40:26.380So he's standing on a hill outside his property, he's looming the manes of his horses, he's
00:40:33.320um he has his dogs on golden you know leashes and loki arrives and thrym speaks to loki he says
00:40:48.520how fair the gods how fair the elves why comes thou alone to the land to to the giant's land
00:40:57.800And Loki speaks in return, ill fare the gods, ill fare the elves, hast thou hidden Lorithi's hammer?
00:41:11.380So this little exchange is kind of funny because, and especially when I tell it in a story, is Threem knows exactly why he's here.
00:41:22.000um and it's more or less lent that threem was behind the the stealing of the hammer
00:41:30.880and some people have you know again looking into the details too much have said oh no loki didn't
00:41:37.140steal it it was you know it was threem because of this kind of exchange where loki doesn't quite
00:41:43.500know. And again, I don't think the details of this matter so much as it is important to know
00:41:52.620that the land of resistance, dissipation, has taken the power that fights them in the middle
00:42:04.040realm and has brought it into its domain in order to kind of keep it locked or to perhaps destroy it.
00:42:10.880And the usage of the word hlóriði. Hlóriði's hammer. So the best way to describe this is that there is a couple of Haitis about Lord Thor that end with rÃði or rÃð or rÃða.
00:42:33.960that means ride, rider, riding, and hlo means loud or cacophonous. And it gets people confused
00:42:43.560because there's actually, if you add a J before the O, it's hlior, and that means silence. So
00:42:51.000hlior is the opposite. Hlior or hlior is silence. And I think it causes a lot of confusion.
00:43:01.160Why would he be the silent rider? But you see this too, speaking about him as he is the perimeter guard of the middle world. And you see that with Einreidi, which means the lone rider, that he is out on his chariot alone, wardening the edges of the earth and heaven.
00:43:31.160And Thrym speaks back after being asked, did you steal the hammer? Because the gods are upset and the elves are upset.
00:43:41.160And Thrym speaks, I have hidden Loredi's hammer eight miles down, deep in the earth, and back again shall no man bring it.
00:43:58.900So here again is another Nordic cycle in all of the tales, is the ransoming of an item in order to gain the holy Freya, the goddess of possession, the goddess of beauty, the goddess of rarity.0.93
00:44:23.460And so the desire that the Jotnar have towards her is pretty consistently brought up throughout the stories.
00:44:35.300And again, I think it is very interesting that the measurements, this is not the only time, you know, when we, the binding of Fenris, the rock Gjöl is also buried in the ground.
00:44:49.040i don't recall if they said it was eight miles or not i have to look that up but um again the
00:44:55.040idea of burying something in the ground to bind it to protect it and to hide it
00:45:02.080um so the terms are set and not much more conversation needs to go on about that
00:45:09.440um in number eight then loki flew and the feather dress word till he left behind him the home of the
00:45:21.040giants and i love i love the usage of that that word of that the fluttering of the of the feather
00:45:32.080cloak or feather dress um as he kind of zips off um and reached at last the realm of the gods
00:45:42.880there in the courtyard thor he met hear now the speech that first he spake so you'll you'll notice
00:45:51.600that there's these these things where the poet is basically saying they've come together and
00:45:58.160this is what happens when they talk or listen now like he he's bringing the audience into these
00:46:06.320conversations amongst the gods and amongst um the the blood kin who becomes the kinslayer um
00:46:21.120has thou found tidings as well as trouble thy news in the air shalt thou utter now
00:46:30.800off doth the sitter his story forget and lies he speaks who lays himself down
00:46:42.800and this this quote here coming from um
00:46:46.640um from uh lord thor you know he says do you have any do you have any news uh has there been any
00:46:57.920trouble or issues that have come from this uh from you even looking um
00:47:06.880you you should say it out loud and say it quickly um because if you sit too long you'll forget your
00:47:14.240story and then you'll fill the gaps with lies is in essence what he's saying so speak quickly
00:47:20.960speak it now before you sit too long and get a chance to fill in the gaps if you will
00:47:31.040and loki speaks in 10 he says trouble i have and tidings as well three king of the giants
00:47:41.540It's very interesting on that one, denoting that height to him.
00:47:51.740Keeps thy hammer, and back again shall no man bring it.0.98
00:47:56.120If Freya, he wins not to be his wife.0.99
00:48:02.520So this sets about a pretty basic, we have plot, we have drive,0.97
00:48:10.760we've hit all the the check marks for the story um but they do it so well so cleanly
00:48:17.800um that it allows the rest of the poem to kind of play out
00:48:26.040uh let me see we were on 10 so we're on 11 now um
00:48:30.920so in 11 freya the fair then went they to find hear now the speech that they first that first
00:48:44.480he spake so again the poet is saying they go they go to her hall and this is here now what they said
00:48:52.000and i this is uh the storm father lord four is basically coming in and saying
00:49:01.900well you gotta get your stuff together put your bride veil on grab your dowry let's get you going
00:49:07.880like there's no other options you gotta go i need my hammer um which would of course0.64
00:49:15.380piss off um the holy freya to no end um so uh freya the fair then went they defined oh yeah0.60
00:49:29.600sorry um uh hear now the speech the first he spake bind on freya the bridal veil for we too0.94
00:49:38.420must haste to the giant's home so uh busting in the door and starting to you know rip down drapes1.00
00:49:47.300and i i don't know like drag boxes around uh in 12 wrathful was freya and fiercely she snorted0.92
00:49:56.020and the dwelling grate of the gods was shaken and burst was the mighty breezing's necklace0.94
00:50:03.620so the brzinga men a source of her power drawn from the four corners of of the earth or of the
00:50:18.620um primordial earth really smart alfheim is is not necessarily the earth but the interactions0.80
00:50:26.280between basic elements and basic energy and how they're comprised together she draws from the
00:50:33.460four corners of this place and and has the brisingaman made and it is the most desired item
00:50:40.260um outside of of of mjolnir and um it they you know she bursts it um and this is again a common
00:50:52.020thing that they often say that she just gets so puffed up or just so angry that her necklace
00:50:59.460bursts off um and um all of heaven is shaken so
00:51:08.140most lustful indeed should i look to to all if i journeyed with thee to the giant's home
00:51:18.360So she's basically saying, what do you take me for, a harlot? Like, I'm not going there at all. And this is another important point, is the Holy Freya was not seen as some sort of loose woman.
00:51:36.820And I would argue quite the opposite, that her beauty was coveted because of the lack of access to her.
00:51:49.480And I kind of see this in modern times where a lot of folks will say, I mean, there's like the common, I don't know if it used to be a sticker, if you can't lay them, slay them, or what have you.
00:52:01.800and i really super um kind of impious and and what have you but again uh the heart
00:52:11.720that it belongs to everyone belongs to no one so i would argue yes that she is you know and
00:52:18.200this is even worse because she's worried about her her um reputation um and she says i'm not going
00:52:27.320there um and again there's a point too where when she puts her foot down the gods are left to0.92
00:52:35.720deliberate other options they don't force her they now have to rethink the situation uh 130.99
00:52:48.600then were the gods together met and the goddesses came and council held
00:52:53.480and the far-famed ones a plan would win or a plan would find how they might
01:06:30.860so as we've seen with a number of our gods and kind of um our relationship to nature
01:06:40.220and it's harder to wrap our heads around
01:06:44.700i can go to google earth and i can look instantly at just about any place on the planet
01:06:51.260and get a pretty detailed you know who's driving what where you know to somebody in
01:06:58.300i don't know nigeria have a stack of tires in their backyard um
01:07:09.020so you know in many ways kind of conceptually we may
01:07:12.620look to space or to something else that's far more unknown to our ancestors
01:07:20.700the world and their existence was like
01:07:24.300the known and useful part of the world versus
01:07:32.180the great beyond that's scary and i think that existed i mean shoot it's exciting to read about
01:07:43.700stuff in around the turn of the century or the late 1800s where there were still areas of the
01:07:50.220world that were completely undiscovered. And, you know, one of the refrains that you hear,
01:08:03.600one of the oh okay all right kids so back in my day any day previous to my day um
01:08:18.720it was spoken of very frequently like the idea of columbus discovering america and captain cook
01:08:25.680discovering what he's discovered australia he discovered alaska he discovered hawaii
01:08:30.320You have this age of exploration where it counted as discovered when a white guy discovered it. And that's how we looked at the world and existence. There's ours that are within the known understanding of our race, of our folk.
01:08:50.000And then that which we have no knowledge of, that maybe you get tales from travelers about and fantastical things and traveling outside of your known area was an adventure and a risk of danger in and of itself.
01:09:08.000and that was very much it's fundamental to the mindset of our folk and to the bearing of our
01:09:18.180faith on how we approach others how we approach exploration how we approach conquest how we
01:09:26.320approach nature and also how we approach other you know others that we encounter other living
01:09:35.800things in the world and you know perhaps out in the in the great beyond in the void of space
01:09:42.360there's ours and it extends as far as we have outposts and we have stuff
01:09:50.600to represent us and to bring it into our context
01:09:55.460we live in a very multicultural existence in the west today so it poses questions in terms that
01:10:11.540don't make sense to us fundamentally and i think that's why sometimes on this program when we get
01:10:17.200asked questions and they're very good questions but about like how our gods and their powers of
01:10:24.920creation relate to you know some other race of people in some distant and foreign land
01:10:31.600the question in and of itself is an irrelevancy to our faith and our ancestors because the sole
01:10:41.840relevancy is us and in an us lens and an us context so we see the entire rest of existence
01:10:53.600through the concept of us and is it favorable to us is it in opposition to us
01:11:02.720do we are there things about it that we enjoy and that are beneficial to us are there things
01:11:07.840about it that are um deteriorate deterious i don't know if that's word if not i declare it
01:11:16.000one by alter your gothic writ um but yeah like is it good for us or not you know is this foreign
01:11:24.480thing is it cool do we like it or does it erode at some of our core values does it make us less
01:11:30.800is this new foreign technology is this going to make us more effective at the things we value
01:11:37.840Or is it going to take us away from the things that we place value in?0.96
01:11:44.020Other groups of people, are they friendly towards us?
01:11:48.260Are they offering us fair trade and good things on fair terms?
01:11:57.280Are they a competition with us for resources or for other things?
01:12:02.000It's always that lens of us and our gods and any relation to other only affects when there's an interchange between us and them, between us and it, if it's nature.
01:12:20.420you know nature can do nature stuff and be on its own out in the great wilderness and that's
01:12:27.700prosontified and exemplified really well in our lore of going off to the east or going you know
01:12:36.820across the sea or going into the into the wilds into the mountains it's going beyond
01:12:44.100and the things that we know and have use for and have established a place within our understanding
01:12:53.040within our world and it's going out into the other world and uh that far that extends far beyond
01:29:34.640There's a lot of elements, and I think we tend to fixate
01:29:38.980because it's easier and we like patterns,
01:29:41.580And I don't know, the last 200 years of Western academic tradition has got us to where we plug things in slots, and then we call it good because we've established these slots of where things need to be, and we treat persons as things more often than not.
01:30:03.020And we've talked about that quite a bit, but it's important to kind of reemphasize and harken back to it so we realize what it's in play.
01:30:11.580there uh a point here when i said about how uh if you're interested in old norse and learning it
01:30:26.620this poem really sticks out um like for instance with stanza 23 now you'll learn too that translation
01:30:35.660stuff kind of gets interesting because in here bellows says gold horned cattle go to my stables
01:30:44.940in the old norse it says ganga heyer at gardi so ganga if anybody's familiar with the like the word
01:30:55.580like or the name wolf gang gang or a gang plank is a walk plank or wolf gang means to walk like a
01:31:04.460wolf so ganga means to go and he says you know go to the stable and then he goes to list off these
01:31:12.700things what he's basically saying is you could walk into my garage and you'll see all these cars
01:31:19.100you walk into my house you'll see all this beautiful stuff that's what he's in essence
01:31:25.020saying the translation has to stick to kind of more of the words less of the meaning but
01:31:32.700But the ultimate poetic or story version of that is, is that's how it's being played out.
01:31:37.820You can walk into my house or walk into my barn and you will see gold horned cows.
01:32:49.020And 24, it says, early it was to evening come and forth was born the beer for the giants. Thor alone ate an ox and ate salmon. All the dainties as well.
01:33:06.240there was set for the women and drank sift mate three tunes of beer of mead so
01:33:16.560the usage of the word dainties comes from the word uh krausir krausir is not specified
01:33:25.760it it says dainty like dainty things but the meaning behind that is is it hors d'oeuvres um
01:33:34.480You know, is it delicate meals for the women that they preferred or the desserts or what have you?
01:33:42.160But again, it's the idea is that he's eating an ox, he's eating salmon, and now he's moved on to just like eating the little things because he just can't.
01:35:59.160So generally, this is clearly the serving maid or the maid of honor is referencing Loki and he is speaking and he tries to kind of run interference.
01:36:09.580and the number eight presenting to the idea that the ninth night is here um where the everything
01:36:18.580is fulfilled um but he's he's saying oh she hasn't eaten since she found out she was going to be your
01:36:28.180bride and she was so nervous and he's just running interference on this one and then
01:36:35.900thrym in 27 looked beneath the veil for he longed to kiss but back he leapt the length of the hall
01:36:46.380why are you so fearful the eyes of freya fire me thinks from her eyes burnt forth
01:36:54.440so he you know he peeks up the veil perhaps there is a uh an under veil over the nose and mouth but0.97
01:39:54.320you know coming here and being married and you know being embraced in your strong arms0.86
01:40:01.300so then the uh in 29 soon came the giant's luckless sister who feared not to ask the bridal0.61
01:40:12.620fee from thy hands the rings of red gold take if thou wouldst win my willing love
01:40:21.040my willing love and welcome glad so here is an interesting like part of this the the bride's
01:40:34.140gift generally there was dowry and there was uh that which the the bride brought with her
01:40:43.800and then there was that which was given to her or given to her family um and in this case you know
01:40:52.400it's a lot of people would think like oh a bride fee is given to the father because you know women
01:40:58.380were purchased or something like that no in reality the bride fee is that when a woman leaves
01:41:05.740a household she leaves a huge gap in production survivability and the idea was was that you as
01:41:17.560a husband were to pay that family um money to compensate the loss of the survivability0.99
01:41:25.900it would help them because losing a member of their household and men too but women especially
01:41:35.160um losing that is detrimental so gaining something to fill that in um you know where
01:41:47.340guild is the same thing though and it's just expressed in a different way
01:41:53.080one thing that is fundamental and we talk about this from time to time on this program too
01:41:59.080It's the idea of justice in our faith.
01:42:04.820The idea of justice is rebalancing the scales.
01:42:12.000We talk about it a lot in, I don't know, it probably used to be more common than it is now,
01:42:19.660with the idea of paying one's debt to society.
01:42:23.840Sitting, languishing in prison doesn't pay a debt to anything.
01:42:29.320what was fundamental to our ancestors was compensation for value so a huge
01:42:38.200concept that we understand and that they understood was the idea of worth worth
01:42:47.160has been devolved down to us as like a nebulous concept of you know how cool of a guy thinks fun
01:42:58.440is it had those elements to it but it had a lot more tangible value as well that's
01:43:08.840if there is a case of someone slew a member of your family that's one less guy to stand in the
01:43:18.040shield wall when stuff goes down that's one less guy to bring in the harvest that's one less guy
01:43:25.000to help tend the flocks that's one less set of hands to protect and watch after the farmstead
01:43:32.600or watch after the children or to man the boat or to do any of these things there's a tangible value
01:43:39.240in the loss of manpower by one of yours being lost on top of that there's a reputation loss
01:43:46.200there's a loss of tangible things that you can equate to something and in an attempt to make it
01:43:52.920right you can try to rebalance it with something of an equivalent value if you were taking someone's
01:44:00.760daughter who is a valuable part of his family and a valuable part of his clan their personal farm
01:44:08.920economy you know if it's a lord the administration of his servants of his thralls of whatever that
01:44:17.240was a vital member of his household is being taken from him and compensating that for that gap has
01:44:27.240a value so we see it in you know in a happy occasion with with the marriage and in a more
01:44:33.400negative occasion with the idea of wear guilt but it's the same idea of balancing scales and that
01:44:41.560that that's fundamental when we examine other situations and how to handle you know
01:44:52.520discrepancies in value where somebody has taken something or added something
01:44:58.280it goes into our understanding of the gift cycle in a way as well so it's kind of a
01:45:03.160fundamental concept to just put a pin in and remember as we go through other other parts of our
01:45:08.680more i think too one thing the luckless sister who feared not to ask that that's an um
01:45:24.280that's an interesting point too about the
01:45:29.560the kind of i guess maybe social more as to whether or not
01:45:34.920that is to be asked in a certain way at a certain time and it's just like no no no if you if you
01:45:40.920you know you want to win my love you know pay it up and um it's just it's kind of funny
01:45:47.880there but this next stanza brings up some great points um
01:45:55.720in 30 then loud spake threem the giants leader bring in the hammer to hallow the bride
01:46:03.320On the maiden's knees let Mjolnir lie that us both, the band of Vor, and I'm just saying that because that's the way it's written, but we'll talk about that in a second, may bless.
01:46:18.760So another great point that people need to get about our stories is why would they conduct a wedding like this?0.77
01:46:30.340this is a human wedding this is clearly not a wedding of you know it's like how could they
01:46:39.320bless the brides of any jotens if they never had the hammer until this moment what it is is that
01:46:46.160our our mythos really does have a lot of parts to it and it holds certain things that uh carry on
01:46:55.300to today. And it's because of this that we have our blessing of the bride and groom
01:47:04.960with the hammer, the invoking of vaura or vaur at the altar, and then placing the hammer
01:47:14.080in the bride's lap during the feast. These things are brought about because the stories kept them.
01:47:25.300and it made them relatable um everyone would understand what this meant so when Thrym says
01:47:33.120you know bring out the hammer we're going to place it in her lap and it you know to call the blessing0.97
01:47:38.700of Thor why would they have to do that if they're the Jotuns but again that's not the point the point0.99
01:47:45.140is this is about how are the audience and humans would make it relatable and then the other is
01:47:52.080specifically calling upon the dominion and if you look over in 30 on old in the old norse
01:47:58.740it's uh vaurar v a with a dash r a r that dash is an owl sound so uh vour like a vow like a wedding
01:48:13.260vow um she is the awesomia of weddings and she binds the oaths between lovers um into marriage
01:48:25.180and they they call upon her the only difference is i think that you know they're not standing up
01:48:33.300or at an altar or what have you this is just simply at the feasting table but one thing i
01:48:38.720think is important to notice, and this is kind of, and Svans pointed this out in a couple other
01:48:43.820pieces that we've done too. One of the ways that you know to separate, because I think that
01:48:49.920when I say some of the etic poems are like faithful retellings of myth in a
01:48:59.220up front like this is relating a divine tale stories versus this is a fun play for the audience
01:49:13.980stories matt you're just you know you're just picking the ones you like and saying those are the
01:49:18.740the real ones the other ones are just the poetic exercises
01:49:22.540not so but you got to look for these little these little hints and these little pieces
01:49:29.620and like swan just pointed out it was meant to be funny and for you to understand
01:49:37.220and the human custom of weddings as you invoked another point to the multi-dimensionality of our
01:49:44.680gods. Thor doesn't just destroy and, you know, is not just slayer of giants and champion of
01:49:52.780Asgard. He also sanctifies. And the idea of his hammer blessing the womb of a new bride
01:50:00.920to ensure fertility and to convey blessing is really important. That's just how you do a wedding.0.95
01:50:10.400So you do wedding stuff in your wedding scene for your wedding party, your play on what you're doing to us that are viewing it in this very specific context and trying to mine it for more value.
01:50:25.260You see the absurdity of Thor sitting there and, you know, the bride's womb needs to be blessed by his hammer.
01:50:38.720it's you know it's absurd they would have just called thor to officiate their wedding if that
01:50:45.120were you know the case in the in the setting of this if it were a retelling of lore that would
01:50:52.720make sense instead they're having having a human wedding with this symbol of of thor to do this
01:51:01.360but that's you know those are the kind of things you pick up on as
01:51:08.320as what light to view the story in. Yeah, go ahead.
01:54:52.860And I was also reading here, too, because in the speaking of 28 and this one, hard by there sat the serving mating wise is that down in the notes, it talks about that the serving made the usage of the word wise or the worst of the usage of the word old.
01:55:14.420and then here it connects to the word old again so and i this is like this is savage like the way0.52
01:55:25.880it's written in 32 the giant sister old he slew who had begged for the bridal fee a stroke she
01:55:34.100got in the shilling's stead. So instead, so she got crushed in the face instead of getting the,0.96
01:55:44.340the gold she greedily, you know, asked for. Um, and for many rings, the might of the hammer.
01:55:53.300And so his hammer got Othyn's son. And that's, it, it's just,
01:56:00.780it it it's it comes to a aurora's end it's awesome um i love telling this story the literal
01:56:12.140and the figurative sense i love telling this story this is one of my favorite stories to tell
01:56:19.080um to the kids when we do story time um you know just just just describing you know lightning
01:56:28.460bolts cracking the pillars of the house as you know lighting things on fire and people are
01:56:34.380screaming and jumping out of the windows and uh etc and you know and um yeah and then he you know
01:56:44.000he comes back out and uh loki's kind of backing up in the mud as he just walks out and he's like
01:56:51.480remember no one steals my hammer and then he just keeps walking um the uh the the this poem is really
01:57:03.560really cool it's one of my favorites the way it's written the way it translates um and that just
01:57:11.880even that last line instead of getting a coin she got a hammer strike is really good but yeah um
01:57:21.480outside of that i mean and just it's abrupt end though is kind of the only thing i i wish there
01:57:29.720was a little bit of an outro but there isn't ended uh reading up in the intro here for bellows and
01:57:35.700this is something that i found interesting is um in here in the notes there they were speaking of
01:57:44.740the the that this poem was suspected to be uh from the 900s but i was also reading
01:57:54.600somewhere about the speculation on the storyteller and i think i might have been mistaken by that
01:58:03.680um i was i was going to you know speak of the the fact that snorri had listed the
01:58:10.380um the goddesses and there is generally like little known but that this storyteller this poet
01:58:19.420um you know also uh referenced her as well especially connected to weddings um but i can't
01:58:27.100maybe it was somewhere else i was reading um the the poet the the storyteller that brought
01:58:35.500or made this story renowned so that's not he could write it down um in referencing to um
01:58:45.900uh var there's another thing too that doesn't go on in the story but you will see it in other
01:58:53.100stories is again i mentioned when when uh heimdall says to loki in a lot of the stories he says you
01:59:01.740know you're going to dress up as the bridesmaid to kind of get one back at him and that clearly
01:59:06.460doesn't happen but i know where this the people rewriting the poems get that from and that is
01:59:14.940because there's a long-standing rivalry and it is already spoken of the fact that heimdall
01:59:20.380will face against loki in the end in ragnarok and that really comes if anybody's interested
01:59:30.140is looking up in the the poem is called hus draupa uh h-u-s-d-r-a-p-a that's the
01:59:38.780that story has references to again thor's um fishing trip and it also has um
01:59:47.820uh balder's drama and it also has an unknown story that a lot of people don't realize and
01:59:55.980it's the fight between heimdall and loki and that's a really cool one uh because loki steals um
02:00:05.900quit giving away spoilers nah i'm trying to entice trying to entice
02:00:12.700all right guys appreciate that appreciate you guys going with us on that journey uh we will
02:00:20.060have svan back in two weeks time and we will go through the volander volander um in the meantime
02:00:32.300did get a couple of questions i want to go ahead and address for y'all um next week's episode is
02:00:40.380going to be the final for a while in our series of um hoff district leadership folks so njordshoff
02:00:53.260district will be represented one week from today with many of their fine luminaries on here to
02:01:00.780tell you a little bit about njordshoff itself and the district that it heads up
02:01:06.460uh-huh that said couple couple few things um
02:01:16.300first even hammer are there any updates on the new afa bloat book um
02:01:25.100sure in the fact that there are currently not plans to put out a afa bloat book as such there
02:01:32.860There are plans to put out more AFA materials in reference to in reference to ritual, certainly in reference to various spiritual topics.
02:01:43.760There are a number of things working on. Matter of fact, something that I want to talk to witness fond perhaps tonight after this broadcast about.
02:01:52.260But as far as a book of bloats, that's not something currently in our plan.
02:01:58.040Trent, Goethe Trent East, Witten's Fawn, excuse me, Witten's Fawn, can you elaborate on why you call the Valknut the binding knot?
02:02:11.000oh wow he's he's pulling that from another from our uh social media on the other side of the
02:02:22.300internet um yeah well one of the uh i've seen articles where people have written we don't know
02:02:32.440the meaning of the Valknaut, and it could have perhaps no meaning at all. But the substantiation
02:02:41.820of lore built around it by our, the predecessors or the foundations of Ausatru, founder McNallan
02:02:51.320and the folks around there, I think have lent a great deal of thought. And this has built
02:02:59.260that understanding. I think that symbols have the ability to take meaning, even if perhaps we don't
02:03:06.320know exactly why they were written in older times. But the Valknaut is a knot. And the idea of a knot
02:03:16.500being a binding to being something that ties itself. The symbol there alone, I clearly associate
02:03:27.360with more than just that, that it is the tripartite that is Lord Odin. It is Odin,
02:03:33.620Vili, and Vey. It is more than simply that, but to wear the Valkna is the symbol of binding
02:03:42.260Lord Odin, or not binding Lord Odin, correction, sorry, binding oneself to Lord Odin through your
02:03:50.780faith through your devotion. And a lot of folks have always kind of said, you know, when you do
02:03:57.380that, do it with great caution, because you could end up, you know, in the machinations of Lord
02:04:05.860Odin, and those sometimes don't always, you know, pan out well for the person or what have you.
02:04:12.980And that, again, comes from, you know, the folly of many a hero have thought that they were going
02:04:19.640to walk into, uh, victory and Lord Odin had his own plans. The biggest thing is, is it binds you
02:04:28.800to Lord Odin. All of the, um, the artwork that's associated with it is that it's done over a
02:04:37.180sacrifice. It's done over warriors traveling, uh, over the boat, uh, possibly being a reference to
02:04:45.180death, and also over Lord Odin himself riding Sleipnir. So those three things being kind of
02:04:52.040connected with this imagery has led, obviously, the symbol to being connected to Lord Odin.
02:04:59.720But then the expounded thought as foundation came, now as the truth started to establish itself,
02:05:06.420was that knot binds you to Gordo. It's a sign of devotion. I think it's important that we
02:05:16.300look at the symbols this way, and I hate people that try to come in and say,
02:05:21.340you know, well, actually, we don't know these symbols. Symbols become or have their own power.
02:05:31.640it had you know a person seeing a symbol in our ancestral times may have had a different
02:05:38.920understanding of it but it was still a meaning of a symbol in their time they may not have heard
02:05:46.920the story or read the internet article that explained what it meant but to them it had
02:05:52.680meaning it's still the same here and i think that's the beauty of symbols the fluidity of their
02:05:58.600meanings um and everyone's so hard to try to say oh no this this symbol means just this
02:06:07.880all the time without any consideration towards the folk and the people that perceive it and how
02:06:13.640it works within their culture you know we look at the swastika and you know we see the meaning
02:06:20.120with uh asians or with native americans or with um the germanic folk it's it has a lot of
02:06:30.200different meanings and people try to pigeonhole it so that's what i meant it binds you to lord
02:06:35.820it's your devotion it's your faith and your willingness to be um utilized in the overall
02:14:20.960doesn't actually reference to anything as far as in relation to um the carvings themselves
02:14:32.700and it doesn't explain how the interlocking triangles oftentimes depicted as um being
02:14:42.220you know, thin interlocking bands, um, in relation to that. Um,
02:14:50.380yeah, I just, I was looking up, uh, here, there was a professor in, of Icelandic,
02:14:57.720uh, old Icelandic, and he was saying that, um, that, uh, in Scald Skarpismal,
02:15:05.640um, Prongnir had a heart that is renowned, made of solid stone, spiky with three points,
02:15:11.300Just like the symbol of the carving called Rangnir's heart has ever since been made. And he's making this proclamation based off the idea that the heart of stone being mentioned is pointy.
02:15:27.980And I think that the jump is still too distant. Not only that, the stories, the story of Hangmir and Thor are pretty, pretty clear, straightforward.
02:15:42.000So the, the stones that present the symbol, the Valknot have no correlation to any of that. Um, so unless there is an entirely like separated meaning from it, um, I would, you know, I would argue that, that they actually don't connect that, uh, the, the, the, the coincidence is in the spikiness and, uh,0.84
02:16:12.000and shape. And that being, of course, kind of lending more towards the deviancy
02:16:19.200of his naturalness. I mean, yes, it is spiky, but the interlocking factor and the rest of the
02:16:35.140pictures that it is associated with, being next to ravens, being above a sacrificial
02:16:42.040right, I think has a lot more, you know, to be associated with it. I don't know.
02:16:53.680All right. So random question from the Wolf Throne. Welcome back, Wolf Throne.
02:17:01.320uh what are your thoughts on the carnivore diet people who try it swear it works uh
02:17:10.200that it works wonders for fat loss and overall health um
02:17:17.800no the guy that started it has recanted recently and like no that's terrible it destroyed my life
02:17:30.520I don't think that fad diets are the way to go in general.
02:17:38.500I think that if you have a health thing to where like maybe you're diabetic and you can't eat a lot of carbohydrates, then maybe veering toward the carnivore diet is really good for you.
02:17:49.400um i think there's time and place to where you happen to eat more eat more meat and less carbs
02:18:00.080and that probably works out really good for some people some of the time but one of the things that
02:18:04.960is just truth we all are really different now we process foods based on our our needs based
02:18:13.320on our genetics based on a lot of factors and these fad diets that are going to change your life
02:18:26.600exercise and not being a fan and a lot of people don't want to hear that
02:18:34.800they're like aha but if i stop eating bread then magically and you're right if you have a really
02:18:42.200heavy carbohydrate diet and you cut all the carbs out and you change your entire processing system
02:18:48.600to fat and protein that will probably dramatically affect you in the short term
02:18:55.000but as far as like a long-term long-term lifestyle choice i don't think that's particularly
02:19:02.120sustainable and i don't think it's optimal i think increasing your meat intake is probably
02:19:10.360always a good thing unless you have some kind of a health condition but again i think most of the
02:19:16.520fad diet things are good to shake stuff up and and here's so here's the other thing your body
02:19:23.240be it exercise or diet and again all within reason shaking things up and doing things a
02:19:30.360really different way than your body's used to that's what makes you grow and adapt in ways so
02:19:37.000So if your muscles aren't responding and you're not growing and you're not doing stuff, completely changing your rep range or what exercises you're doing or your frequency, all of that shakes things up and is a catalyst to start that change.
02:31:29.440And you need to consume more calories than you are using if you would like to gain weight.
02:31:37.880If you want to gain muscle, your body needs to have stimulus to send it a signal to say, hey, our current muscle is insufficient.
02:31:46.280If you want to lose fat, you need to send stimulus to your body that says our current energy reserves are insufficient and we need to access our stored body fat.
02:31:58.480there's a bajillion right ways to do it every new person who wants to write a book can tell
02:32:05.760you some new fancy way to do it consistency is key and the more varied your diet
02:32:14.420within reason and of healthy whole food the more you get a wide variety of things to build
02:32:23.480and to fill in holes. The more you make your diet super specific, where you only eat this one kind
02:32:30.400of thing every day, make a live off. It's like potatoes. Somebody's like, I could live off
02:32:35.020potatoes. Yeah, it's better than starvation, but it's not an optimal health. This is a long time
02:32:41.520on the carnivore diet, but I think it's something that probably interests the both of us. So we
02:32:46.940throw it out there. It's not bad, but I wouldn't try to religiously stick to it for a really long
02:32:52.540time and i think that people who do sometimes run into chronic fatigue issues and some other stuff
02:32:58.940make sure you check into a doctor if you got the insurance on it make sure you're getting
02:33:02.380blood tests and other stuff and see where you're at and make adjustments accordingly
02:33:07.420um again neither spawn nor myself are doctors so do not take this as any prescription for the
02:33:14.780you know healthy way to to live and avoid disease this is just advice from some folks
02:33:19.740that are out here trying to live our life and you know 40 40 plus years in with some things
02:33:27.180that have worked and things that happen again i think i have offended champion of the first nations
02:33:33.900champion of meat only the son of iceland he must he has returned from his glacial cave of rotted shark
02:33:45.100only rotten shark no i i've been drinking these waters and they're they're really running through
02:33:54.620me um ballpark figure on what it will cost to construct tears off this is a fine question it's
02:34:04.860a really it's a very different question um so some of you may not know um
02:34:17.820we have purchased property at the very very end of 2022 in like december 2022
02:34:27.100called Sigurheim. It is, you know, just about 70 acres of, about 70 acres of property in central
02:34:41.020Tennessee. It is amazing and beautiful and fantastic. And a number of us are going to
02:34:50.080move there. One of the other things we're doing there is going to serve as kind of an AFA capital,
02:34:54.280not kind of it's going to serve as the afa capital um eventually and for those that don't
02:35:01.980know a large part of the property consists of two fields up front then a lot of it is kind of hilly
02:35:10.160towards a majestic ridge line and on the top of the ridge we're going to construct a hoff to tier
02:35:19.700down in the valley we are going to construct a great hall to be the afa mead hall
02:35:27.060and center of afa activity so the top of the ridge we're dealing with limited space
02:35:35.600so that's one thing that constrains and gives a little bit of an idea towards cost
02:35:42.220because it can only have so big of a footprint on top of that ridge
02:35:46.260um unlike the all all four other hoffs and we will have a fifth half before we're
02:35:57.140embarking on on that tears off we'll have a phrase off but unlike any of the by then
02:36:04.380previous five hoffs which we will have purchased that are existing structures tears off is going
02:36:10.980be built from the ground up so a lot of decisions need to be made between now and then that prevent
02:36:17.860me from giving you a real accurate ballpark um we have to so okay so one of the factors
02:36:30.180is getting a navigable by by truck road that's not fair you could get up there in a
02:36:38.020four by four now so a navigable by car reliable road from the uh street that the property is on
02:36:49.380up to the ridge line along the ridge line to where we are putting off now there is an existing
02:36:58.500very very rough logging like atv kind of road that gets us up there which is fine for walking
02:37:06.980up there in the immediacy but as far as any equipment that we need to have up there and so
02:37:13.060forth we're going to need something that's a little bit better so getting that constructed
02:37:20.180is a certain amount of cost the building itself depending on what we do the square footage can't be
02:37:27.220that enormous but there's a lot of really pretty things and fun architectural things that we have
02:37:35.460planned for it that we would like to do so it's really hard you're asking me a specific question
02:37:41.860i'm not going to dodge your question but my guess is really wide um i'm going to guess 200 000
02:37:54.580it might be substantially less than that i don't know it all depends on if we have friends that
02:38:01.060that can provide any of the labor, any of the design work,
02:38:06.080any of the material work, a lot of that will pretend.
02:38:27.780So I can't give you a much more accurate than that
02:38:30.800other than that we're super excited about it and that's likely though quite a ways away first we
02:38:37.280need to pay off New York's off we have somebody who contributed during the course of this program
02:38:42.320they donated on the site and I don't know if they want their name shown but we really appreciate
02:38:46.940them they donated 130 dollars tonight towards paying off New York's off so we are that much
02:38:52.820closer we get closer every single week um but we got to pay off nordshoff then we've got to
02:39:00.800get put it out in last month's room stone I think I have it cool we need to raise our monthly income
02:39:10.340by an average of 9.88 percent and once we have done that we will be able and in a position to
02:39:19.640Get Frey's Hoff. So that's something we're absolutely working on. But what I'm saying is we got to pay off New York's Hoff. Then we have to get to an economic spot where it's responsible to get Frey's Hoff because the challenge right now isn't getting the money to establish a Hoff, but it's to be a responsible steward of that Hoff and to take care of it and to have the sustainable income to maintain it.
02:39:45.680Because once we get it, it's a commitment.
02:39:47.580It's a commitment to one of our gods that we're going to maintain their sacred place here in Midgard.
02:39:53.880So we want to be up to that commitment before we do that.
02:41:29.660I don't think it's quite the same equation, but it could become that in a different way.
02:41:35.660way. Svon, do you have any thoughts on that? Is there anything that you've considered in
02:41:41.940contemplating all this? Svon is muted.
02:41:57.400Terribly sorry. One of the things that you brought up about
02:42:04.900um that really struck me was in the beginning of the like the mormon church these these people
02:42:12.560you know left from the east coast and traveled all the way across and we we talk about faith we
02:42:19.320talk about the testaments to faith we talk about building temples to the gods but people won't
02:42:27.640travel four hours to go to them it's not in their hometown it's not brought directly to them um
02:42:37.240you know a lot of people think like aussitrew is big enough to where it should be built right
02:42:41.800down the road for me so i could easily travel there um but you know like me and my family
02:42:49.080travel four and a half hours um multiple times a month uh to get to our hof and um
02:42:57.640So, you know, creating a testament like a state or a nation or, you know, like the like the Mormons did with Utah, kind of the direct collaboration between the two.
02:43:13.700I would say it would only be possible if our people were able to bring that.
02:43:20.460And at this point and at this stage, I don't think so.
02:43:23.860um our folk have a real hard time i think modernity has really you know softened the
02:43:30.800soles of their feet um there's a lot of folks who aren't willing to go that extra mile to move to a
02:43:40.880place or to to travel again to travel even four hours away is kind of um too hard but um if there
02:43:49.500are folks with enough gumption and enough uh drive and desire i do think something would become of it
02:43:57.580as kind of a capstone a figurehead something that leads the rest of the way um a place to look to
02:44:05.340as kind of a um i don't exemplary ness that could help hopefully encourage people to build stuff
02:44:15.880near them and to mimic the the living the acting uh way of being there at sigurheim and then going
02:44:25.800there and seeing that seeing how the people live knowing how they you know they have their lives
02:44:31.240wanting to have that either moving there hopefully that inspires them to or to again kind of build
02:44:38.920the communities they have in their area to to mimic it but as far as like i was the true folks
02:44:47.400traveling across the country by wagon in order to you know find the valley of good hope um but
02:44:55.340we can't get guys to travel three hours sometimes and again i get it there's work and people have
02:45:03.120lives i we 100 100 get it i kind of get a little um bitey about it it's just that at the end of
02:45:11.040the day um you know what is the most important aspects of our lives and one of the things that's
02:45:19.360a huge detriment is that there is no faith there is no religion there's no our children aren't
02:45:25.600carrying any faith forward um you know there's no establishment of hobson sit or uh towns and and
02:45:33.280things like that and they're coming but we need to have the people being able to reciprocate the
02:45:39.120seriousness of it and i think that that's what we're going to continually have and that's the
02:45:44.880thing our people are really beat down and broken and we're dealing with a lot of repair work and
02:45:52.880a lot of healing that needs to be done i'd love to have sigerheim be you know a significant thrust
02:46:00.160towards that healing um it's an issue of scale yes we do not have a lot of people that are going to
02:46:11.040pick up what they have and put it in a hand cart and take it from boston to you know what missouri
02:46:19.280and then across indian territory and carve out something out of the desert wish we had those
02:46:26.800champions of our faith we have some of them but i wish we had you know the more we have the better
02:46:33.920we'll be i am we are very blessed with what we do have and we are are doing and will continue to do
02:46:42.960amazing amazing things the more people we have that are able to put just petty nonsense aside
02:46:51.840and fully commit and be all in we can be shocked at the blessings that happen because of it
02:46:59.760and that will happen and i think that sigerheim will be the spearhead for more people doing that
02:47:06.160now one of the things with the afa is we've got kind of a you know it's not an either or it's an
02:47:17.280if you are absolutely rooted to the place you live you live on ancestral land you are
02:47:23.200in a career you are been here for you've got roots for forever and you can't go anywhere
02:47:30.080cool build something there say hey guys i would love to host something at my house
02:47:38.240well great we can get you connected better yet volunteer to be a folk builder we can make it
02:47:42.960happen build where you are if you are capable and willing to move and you want to make something
02:47:49.600happen then we got a few options and every few years we're going to have more options
02:47:56.800yes i am currently trying to get our people to come to sagerheim and make that happen in
02:48:01.760jackson county tennessee my family's going to do that a number of our witness family are going to
02:48:08.000do that spawn and his family are going to do that hopefully you are going to do that if you can't
02:48:16.800if you're not going to see that's the dream it's not just trying to cram everybody on one property
02:48:21.040no that's going to be the the centerpiece of getting people to move to that county move to
02:48:26.480that county you still have your liquidity you can go wherever you want in the county any place is
02:48:30.72030 minutes from it but you're there you can be there every day if you want you can help out
02:48:35.520you can build you can celebrate we can share we can build that village that we all talk about
02:48:41.120wanting and so many of us never never achieve we're gonna achieve that we're gonna achieve it1.00
02:48:46.720relatively soon so but you can't go there tennessee's not for you your people are yankees0.97
02:48:54.000since the way back you can't make it down there to tennessee or you're scared of them hill folks0.76
02:48:59.840humidity is going to make your hair frizzy i don't know what your deal is but you got options
02:49:06.800so here's the thing every place that we have a hof i want to build an afa community around
02:49:14.480if you want to move to the literally some of the most beautiful country i've ever seen
02:49:20.800to the foothills of the sierras in california to brownsville
02:49:24.720it's a beautiful spot it's amazing the drive between there and here is one of the prettiest
02:49:32.740i've ever been on and i grew up in alaska with some really pretty drives um yeah going out and
02:49:39.980build around odenshoff we need you we want you there it will be fantastic you don't like that
02:49:46.220it's not your thing you don't like california you don't like amazing trees you don't like pretty
02:49:52.520stuff cool we can all right i'm not gonna advertise the next one it's like ah the ugly half
02:50:02.040so joking aside i don't think we've got one that's not awesome and in a really kind of
02:50:07.480pretty spot um but if if the the high desert and the sierras is not your thing though
02:50:13.960uh lyndon north carolina very close to a lot of big towns a lot of big stuff very close to fayette
02:50:19.880bill a lot of things there to draw you there a lot of jobs a lot of stuff but thorsoff needs
02:50:27.560people living close by a number of little towns that might as well be the same town within a
02:50:33.560stone's throw of there get yourself out there we would love to have you help build that area
02:50:40.120that's still not your thing too hot too humid don't like hot dry don't like hot
02:50:45.400soggy uh go up to baldershoff gets cold gets frigid you get that snow it's up in minnesota
02:50:54.120murdoch minnesota beautiful beautiful farm country up there fantastic people we are in the community
02:51:04.360in that one it's not out on a country road it's right in their little town there in a neighborhood
02:51:09.880amazing interaction with the neighbors the people there love us go there build something there
02:51:16.920or white springs florida fantastic everybody wants to be in florida land of the free
02:51:23.960we even got a gator at our hof down there so if you want to go and pet the gator i'm not advising
02:51:30.120you to pet the gator that's not good don't do that the afa officially told you not to pet that gator
02:51:36.280but if you do he's in our uh he's in our uh our pond at our hoff and love the adventure
02:51:45.320you love the company he's down there in florida york's hoff is awesome it's really it's beautiful
02:51:51.080the live oaks down there are beautiful it's in a you know a rural place in florida it makes a lot
02:51:59.480of sense it's halfway between uh lake city and um the other one that's not lake city
02:52:12.120uh live oak it's between two communities there and have a lot of good stuff going on it's not
02:52:16.680far from that and it's awesome if you want to go there build something there and you know by the
02:52:22.280time we really get a lot of things cracking at siggerheim we're going to have something else
02:52:27.080we're gonna have phrasehoff it's going to be in western pennsylvania eastern ohio we've got kind
02:52:35.640of a spot there that's sweet spot we're looking to put it in or around we would love to have you
02:52:40.200there as well so you got a lot of options and as the years roll by there will be a hoff closer and
02:52:46.520closer to you but yeah it's not an either or it's an all um wolf throne this is one that i think
02:52:56.440that swan's going to get dig into you're about to set him off here i'm going to use that as an
02:53:02.280occasion you uh go tuck in my daughter um oh boy no couple interpretations of our lore by the narana
02:53:13.160society i'd like to hear your thoughts on first is the idea that valhall is located in hell and not
02:53:20.520in oscar second is the idea that you are judged in the afterlife in hell where you cannot speak
02:53:29.480and your philia represents you are these interpretations correct so before and i'm
02:53:40.520gonna have some stuff to say after this because he's still gonna be on it when i come back
02:53:43.880yes yes i am are these interpretations correct no no and they're silly and the person making
02:53:54.920them knows better there's some stuff that there's question on no and it's silly and they know better
02:54:04.680secondly if you find yourself at the non in this in this trial it'd be cool if you have like ben
02:54:12.600matlock represent you i'd like to like the old kind of old man wisdom i i don't know i don't know
02:54:20.920many things but i know this i'd like to i'd like to have like to have that happen um so philia if
02:54:28.200you're paying attention i think that's a that's a good exercise of jurisprudence when you represent
02:54:35.480me at the underworld hell thing where I knew that like measures, weighs my heart and stuff.
02:54:47.200Yeah. So it's fine. Take it away. Yeah. This, this question in particular
02:54:53.920hits me. I it's, it's egregious. The, the effects that it has that a lot of people don't think
02:55:01.400about. I mean, okay, first off, it's not correct, but one question you could ask then, is Folkvonger
02:55:09.120in hell as well? If Valhall is in hell, why not Folkvong? Both are domiciles of the chosen dead,0.89
02:55:19.220and nobody ever asked these questions. You know, a lot of this kind of, the Norena Society does0.97
02:55:27.000these things where it'll say Thor has to walk over these rivers to get out of Ausgard. So that
02:55:35.120means he's leaving heaven. Never minding the fact that it's clearly stated numerous times
02:55:41.120that there's a heavenly realm and Ausgardr is in the realm and that it is surrounded or and has
02:55:50.300rivers flowing through it. Another point as to why it's not Helgard is because we know that
02:55:56.020there's 11 rivers in Helgard. So we know of the Elivaur. The Elivaur could flow in the realm of
02:56:05.580hell. The rivers that they're talking about that Thor has to step over aren't in Helgard.
02:56:12.520They're in heaven. And there's a lot of other rivers. And Grimnismal is very clear. Lord Odin
02:56:20.360said, he can see his son's hall from where Valhall stands. So is Thor's hall in Helgard now too?
02:56:32.260These kind of archways, the real reason why that is laid out is because there's a series of
02:56:41.140rationale that needs to follow in order to justify a point. And the point that they were
02:56:48.580originally justifying is that all of the wells of the earth earth's well mimers well and virgilmar
02:56:59.780are all in the underworld because i i mean i other than i perhaps ryberg victor ryberg's kind of
02:57:07.300conception of the idea that there couldn't be wells in the different levels this causes a problem so
02:57:15.060So if the wells are down below, then the judgment has to happen down below.
02:57:19.620And if the judgment has to happen down below, perhaps there's a domicile down below,
02:57:23.160but not Folkvang or Bilskildner, because that's mentioned as being.
02:57:29.280So then you just start tossing whole chunks of text, and then you add the whole like,
02:57:35.360no, the earth is on a table and there's stone pillars, et cetera, et cetera.
02:57:40.540It just, it goes down into a wild world.
02:57:43.680a lot of the time you can look at arian comparison you can look at arian mythos and understand the
02:57:50.740upper world whether it's on the top of a mountain like in olympus or if it's on the top of the tree
02:57:56.260but the other realm the upper realm is above the middle world midgard and then there is a lower
02:58:04.120realm and in that lower realm there are some really key factors one it's greatly separated
02:58:11.220from the heavenly realm. It's the opposite. And in there, the properties that exist in the heavenly
02:58:17.900realm are kind of devoid in the lower realm. The other thing is, in most Aryan mythos, the gods0.86
02:58:25.980don't go into the underworld. It's actually really rare, and hence the reason why Lord Odin going0.75
02:58:34.640into the underworld is such a strange occurrence. Same with Hermoth. And I know that we could
02:58:42.640speculate and go on about Hermoth and Skirner and possibly being Odur and the husband of Frey.
02:58:50.720That's perfectly a viable, I think, thing. But again, these are just reactions to
02:58:56.760fulfilling argument that needs to be placed um it's it's very similar to like
02:59:04.540uh i see this in political discussions when someone will say um that you know nobody deserves
02:59:14.280a gun every all guns should be taken away only the police should have guns but all the police
02:59:19.260are racist or if you don't have a womb you don't have an opinion but men can have wounds
02:59:25.620so these justifications um go into absurdities that go so egregiously against Aryan mythos0.92
02:59:36.220that it's kind of like oh it hurts but to go back the Ausatru folk assembly
02:59:42.900believes that there are there are 11 rivers in heaven 11 rivers in hell and there are 14 in the0.74
02:59:51.620middle and this comes from the grimness moment and that separation process we teach to our gothar
02:59:56.660and you know uh we could discuss cosmology and you know i would explain it here um the the major
03:00:06.060reason too is that the interpretation that they have taken is is that the gods sit at a doom seat
03:00:11.840and that that doom seat since it can't be in heaven because they view the heaven as just
03:00:17.900ausgard if they leave heaven to go to the doom seat where do they go that's where this oh well
03:00:26.060then they must go to hell guard and that's where urd's well is and then that's and you see how it
03:00:31.660kind of falls like dominoes to explain but no that's not the case yggdrasil is sourced in heaven
03:00:41.820its roots extend through all the realms it's a circulatory system that well is in heaven
03:00:49.900and there is a realm around ausgarther as our ancestors would have seen it this kind of place
03:00:57.180in the mountains it's not simply just the castle it's the lands there's rivers there's a place
03:01:04.700where loki runs off to have the horse chase him uh there is the well there is the tree there is
03:01:14.060uh these places but they they can't conceptualize that so ausgard is simply heaven and if they
03:01:21.100leave heaven they go somewhere else so that means earth's well is in hellguard but what about
03:01:28.540members well which is in jotunheim and and it's spoken that only othen knows of it in the middle
03:01:34.940realm in jotunheim no no that's in hellguard too and so these these things then they completely go
03:01:43.660against the arian mythos which is why does the divine the creators of time the creators of order
03:01:50.620walk into the realm of dissipation i'm not saying they can't but from our stories
03:01:57.200it's very clear that this is an odd and extenuating thing um the purpose of that
03:02:06.500being that it creates the the understanding the tension that the gods of life the gods of order
03:02:12.680do not step into the realms that are kind of unruly and are are placed there and in essence
03:02:20.060that lord odin gives dominion of of that realm to hell to kind of extend their their um order
03:02:30.780their their order or their um dominion same as with the ocean and ayer and raun so that's where0.94
03:02:40.240you get these kind of like really wild crazy things going on and it you know it it goes so
03:02:49.840far away from the common logic and then it has to start domino affecting as it goes through um
03:02:56.960you know it's i remember talking to one of their members or i didn't realize it was in a debate i
03:03:02.800was just simply talking about stuff and you know he spoke about how the gods leave to the doom seats
03:03:08.880and and thor has to step over the rivers and i'm like those rivers are in heaven
03:03:12.880just like thund the river and that that surrounds valhall and that there is a gate there valgrind
03:03:20.000and um then i went to started looking into the books and i saw like crazy interpretations and
03:03:26.320that's when i was like okay i see what this is this is i some of it is well meaning some of it
03:03:31.920is well placed but other is completely off the mark and um people are just taking it because they
03:03:38.320don't really research on their own or they don't you know ask out to other opinions it's kind of
03:03:44.720like that icelandic scholar saying hrungnir's heart is stone and is it has three points and
03:03:51.760then they look at a stone that has the three interlocking triangles and they're like that's
03:03:57.040hrungnir's heart has nothing to do with hrungnir there's nothing there about that but it's got three
03:04:03.680points and it's not three interlocking triangles it's a three-pointed from their heart and that's
03:04:10.880it that's all they kind of do and uh it kills me so they go to their doom seats at the well in heaven
03:04:20.640where the tree like a capstone descends down and through by via root now is this
03:04:27.280common throughout all Arian concepts? No. We even, you know, speculate that our ancestors
03:04:35.440viewed the pillar as a possibility or that the ermine soul was like the strut that holds
03:04:41.660the space between heaven and earth, or I'm sorry, heaven and earth as a kind of strutting point.
03:04:50.120But again, you know, there's trees, there's mountains, there's lots of usages for
03:04:54.820the axis mundi and what that what that means um and when they go to these seats they cast
03:05:02.700the doom of men this is an interesting point too because the doom of men doesn't mean something
03:05:08.460negative it is the judgment of men and when you see our faith when we talk about may the holy
03:05:17.000gods witness us we are talking about being marked being judged being in essence focused on by the
03:05:26.840gods in our living moment so we ask the gods to witness our deeds it it becomes completely
03:05:35.240irrelevant if you start to think about it it doesn't really matter until you go into the
03:05:40.200underworld and all the gods are there which is odd in and of itself and um your philka is going
03:05:47.560to be your lawyer and it turns into this kind of egyptian afterlife measurement
03:05:55.400the altitude holds true more to that the gods actually are looking at you now they have a vested
03:06:01.160interest in your life not your death not your afterlife if you will in actuality the people
03:06:07.640that have a vested interest in your afterlife are your ancestors so hella is one the origin
03:06:17.000or she is the origin of the calamity of all things she's the dis the breaker of all things
03:06:22.760that must come to an end um the the holder of the calamities of man if you will illness etc
03:06:28.920um Mavguth is the switch point in which she knows which of the the folk coming down are allowed to
03:06:39.660reunite with her ancestors or with with their ancestors excuse me or she's the one that points
03:06:47.100them down towards the river Gjord and the river sleeve and then they go to Naustrog that's it
03:06:54.660That's the judgment because the true reality of it is, is that if you're marked by the gods while you're living, that mark carries with you when you go down into the underworld and the ancestors know this as well.
03:07:09.660um again their their ability to understand say certain things i mean our ancestors lived through
03:07:18.100hard and terrible times perhaps even too to the point where our moral understanding of things
03:07:24.440might be greater or lesser than what they had to but again we always refer back to what is good
03:07:31.240for the folk so the gods mark you while you're living they watch you while you're living that
03:07:38.940should be a extremely important point for every Ausitzruer to grab their wrap their mind around0.83
03:07:47.200they are in the above world and the earth's well descends into the middle it's time it's space0.79
03:07:56.660it's the the the rolling out of all actions and we are in that and all of that accumulates to go
03:08:04.780into the memory well in jotunheim because again jotunheim disperses resistance and receives
03:08:12.460disillusion it it breaks things down in essence to kind of suck it back up if you will time goes
03:08:19.900there lord othen placed his eye in that well in order to receive all that which has taken place
03:08:27.260in order for him to better speculate the future the other thing too the the the hell thing or
03:08:36.020or what have you um going down there your philka is a a part of your soul it it follows you but it
03:08:46.020is a connecting point to things outside of your individual it connects to your ancestors it
03:08:54.000connects to the land around you. Sometimes it connects to items that you carry. It has the
03:09:00.020ability for your, your, your soul to leave marks on things. Um, it can actually connect to other
03:09:06.820people. And so that your filth, you'll become united like a kin filth. Yeah. Um, it is not a
03:09:13.660lawyer, um, that, you know, represents you before the gods. And again, like I said, I just can't get
03:09:22.700out of my head the egyptian stuff um another great point of this too is uh and speaking to this
03:09:31.180member i was talking to him and he uh he said you know thor comes down into the underworld and it's
03:09:37.180the thor thor is the striker and if you look in every arian mythos one of the big things about
03:09:44.860thor the middle guardian the the the lord between heaven and earth is that stepping into the world
03:09:53.020of dissipation and disillusion and the under world is never good it's it's uh i think hercules did it
03:10:01.340once but he took the form of a baby he couldn't be himself otherwise he would it would kill him
03:10:08.380so he took the form or i i um please don't quote me on that but again the idea of
03:10:15.160the gods descending into the underworld valhall now has to be in the underworld because all of
03:10:21.640the wells are in the underworld and it goes it just starts domino affecting no oscar is the
03:10:29.840heavenly realm the gods live there there are rivers in that realm described to us in the lore
03:10:35.460there are rivers in the middle world and by their names we could tell they're connected to the world
03:10:40.320of men and then there are 11 rivers in the underworld that are clearly spoken about
03:10:45.960seething from the primordial well of creation and the gods are watching you now they're not waiting
03:10:53.460to measure your heart against a feather when you die you should be concerned with impressing them
03:10:59.940now your ancestors will receive you based on those deeds and if you live your life
03:11:05.300towards gaining that that fame and bright um you know faith and power that you would have towards
03:11:14.020showing towards the gods you should have no problem being received by your ancestors
03:11:19.940and can possibly be ascended above after again the roots and the point of having an upper middle
03:11:29.140and lower world with the roots intertwining them is very important but again i don't know
03:11:35.700where that exactly came from other than a tree can't have you know it has to be at the bottom
03:11:43.540and stick straight up and it can't be at the top with the roots descending into
03:11:59.140So first, I'm glad that you asked the questions because I think it's, I think it's really important.
03:12:12.980And when people wonder sometimes why the AFA, and more specifically, why I have such a hard stance on this is the church of the Aesir in Midgard.
03:12:36.220hard and not doing this coalition everybody's got good ideas nonsense because they don't
03:12:50.140and it's really important to do the best we can to
03:18:32.680If he's putting z's in froze or whatnot.
03:18:42.720We believe that we interact with our gods in this life.
03:18:47.440We ask during bloat that our gods, you know, if they find us worthy, which is quite literally a judgment, then to bestow their blessings upon us.
03:19:00.780We're engaged in a gift cycle with sentient beings all the days of our life, if we're fortunate enough to be born into this.
03:19:11.180So our reputation with the gods should be existent and they should be well aware of who we are.
03:19:20.160Not only well aware, but be familiar enough with us that we have exchanged gifts.
03:19:27.640We also certainly know that our ancestors look on from beyond and know us and interact with us.
03:19:35.160We engage them in the gift cycle through our altar work, through many of the offerings and things we do throughout the day.
03:20:29.700And also, our gods have a judgment upon you of whether they deem you completely worthless and not even worth less, but of negative worth to where we need to have you get recycled and let's send you to the strand.
03:20:45.640but they also have the opportunity to like okay we've been watching you your reputation
03:20:51.080reputation precedes you we appreciate what you've done we want to bring you up for the opportunity
03:20:59.720to be more so yeah they absolutely are judged after you die you are also judged every single
03:21:06.280day of your life you are judged consistently you are judged now you will be judged tomorrow
03:21:14.840and you will be judged after you pass so
03:21:21.000it's fine and sure your philia does precede you and does represent you in a way and does advocate
03:21:32.840for your interests in a way um a best man or a shield bearer or a herald or a or a comrade
03:21:48.600does those things as well the motif of my cousin vinnie is a little bit different
03:21:57.560And I don't think that that's the idea in our lore. And I think it misrepresents it in an important way. But all that aside, I think that one is the less egregious of the two.
03:22:16.520but well so i would and i say these things rhetorically because we don't have a representative
03:22:26.300within the arena society here to clear this up for me but i am curious and we'll throw in if
03:22:32.300you've heard like reasoning please share with the class but in what what would possibly lead them to
03:22:43.280believe that Valhall is in Helheim and not in Ausgard, other than it involves those who
03:23:02.980have passed on. Because it is a destination for selected people who have died. Okay,
03:23:11.400get that and i've been trying over here on the side just to like find where are the best things
03:23:19.320that just make it so perfectly clear so that people listening aren't confused by the nonsense
03:23:28.120literally everywhere they didn't pick one of the very obscure locations to make such
03:23:35.160such a silly claim about, but, you know,
03:23:41.360probably the most storied of locations that's in Ausgarla.0.89
03:23:51.220You know, there's a Rome that's in Georgia
03:27:31.820um when he came into the town he saw there a hall so high that he could not easily make out the top
03:27:39.660of it it's thatching was laid with golden shields after the fashion of a shingle roof
03:27:46.380so says theodore of finn that valhall was thatched with shields
03:27:52.940um this is where he goes and has his discussions with with odin with you know
03:28:03.580high the higher and the highest in valhall in ausgar there very clearly but later it talks
03:28:16.060about um hermod and hermod's ride into into hell and it's first the fact it's like this big epic
03:28:26.780journey that goes where you're not supposed to go and it's like a super exceptional case
03:28:34.220is really interesting if it's just you know down the block because that's where
03:28:40.140things are at in this in this strange rendition and usually i don't um
03:28:48.940thump the lore so heavy as far as like reading verses but i just want um folks to
03:28:56.380to hear and to understand that you know i'm not just trying to
03:29:00.780say stuff i think that it puts our folk in a really um
03:29:05.580in a really ugly place when people who claim to know they claim to be so very well versed in our
03:29:19.720lore um misrepresent like knowingly are misleading about it um because what i don't ever hear from
03:29:31.600that camp is like hey i know all the lore says this other stuff but i've got this really unique
03:29:36.400insight and i think this is my theory because that's honest and i may disagree with it
03:29:44.160but it's at least like an open acknowledgement i'm aware that the vast corpus of our lore clearly
03:29:51.360says x but that's all not true for reasons i think this or i had a special revelation
03:30:01.200this or i that's at least presenting it um in an above board way
03:30:13.920so it talks about this you know i'm trying to think of the best like little quick stanza in
03:30:18.880here about the the ride um where the best kind of little starting point is without
03:30:27.680reading a whole deal um okay so can i say something while you're locking in on that
03:30:42.160negative yes of course yes of course you can well no i wanted to just say that um
03:30:48.400i have read some of their i own some of their books um and it makes me think so like i asked
03:30:55.280earlier if valhall is in is in hellguard is folk long in hellguard and then in grimness mall when
03:31:03.520it is mentioned that one of the holy rivers of heaven is tuned and inside that river there are
03:31:10.880there is the the children of our of the the translation that i'm reading from um the norena
03:31:22.880societies they they say rothwitner is heimdall so it's heimdall now in hellguard i mean i don't
03:31:30.240you know my translations of that are very very different that that the the hall the hall is in
03:31:36.320heaven the one who guards the bridge at the edge of heaven right exactly but but in the river there's
03:31:44.800the the they there are the many that the children of the road that are like fish in the river thund
03:31:52.080surrounding and that the the the word is referencing to the children of the wolf
03:32:04.080so outside of valhall patrolling again because there's a big point to the story that
03:32:11.760that valhall is greatly decorated with many defenses and one of them is the wolf children
03:32:18.720The Berserker, the Ulfhednar, the warriors of ecstatic, you know, ascendancy beyond mortality, patrol the river around Valhall, and there is a gate called Valgrind, and only one person knows how to get in and out of that.
03:32:38.060And that was the point that Lord Odin was making. And he also said, again, from Valhall, I can see my son's hall.
03:32:48.720So it just, it gets, it gets wild. And, and you, we could, somebody could say, well, you guys are just arguing about the semantics of literature. But the other point is, is kind of what you said, Azir Guthi, about kind of, instead of saying, well, I have insight and I think that there is this, and this is my theory, even though clearly there's numerous things that state X, you know, and Y.
03:33:14.640the other is is that there's a great detriment to the Aryan soul when you start to change
03:33:21.480cosmology so greatly that it no longer even looks comparative to other Aryan mythoses um and they
03:33:33.700start to it starts to deviate away from that and for what reasons I don't I mean I don't know other
03:33:38.540than the only thing I could think of is that the judgment after death thing is something that may
03:33:43.660have been concocted up with the intent of drawing christians into ausitru and showing that we have
03:33:52.500morality and watch you can get you know we can get judged after death just like you guys i mean
03:33:59.620i i just it it really blows my mind and it and it really does create cosmological
03:34:08.740um formulas about the gods and especially about the striker being able to walk into the underworld
03:34:16.440um without ever the considerations of the like the way the poems are written the fact that if
03:34:23.360there's 11 rivers in the underworld there's 11 rivers there can be and i have gone over that
03:34:30.200extensively about um the the 11 rivers in heaven and why there's 11 rivers and then the 14 in the
03:34:37.640middle and they're all in granismo um i i've also seen not only the heimdall translation which i
03:34:42.940thought was completely wrong but the other rivers that are mentioned as just being sacred rivers
03:34:49.200they're not in heaven they're not in hell guard because they're outside of the 11 that are
03:34:54.680specifically mentioned in hell guard um purier in the norena society in his book he just says oh
03:35:01.520this is just a holy river this is just a holy river he doesn't translate them nor does he explain
03:35:07.220anything about them because they're just not necessary to them to the narrative so again you
03:35:14.500know and that's where the dominoes come in is folk vong and hell guard is heimdall and hell guard
03:35:21.460because he's in the river that surrounds you know according to their translations it goes on and on
03:35:30.900and our ancestors i think really saw the heavenly realm as being above whether that was supported by
03:35:36.340mountains like him in bjerk heavenly mountains a singular mountain and that the gods were living
03:35:43.860perhaps like on top of it inside it but it was an area and they built their castle in there
03:35:49.300and there were rivers that flowed through there and perhaps descended down the mountain into the
03:35:53.300land of the middle realm and the only thing that was surrounding this mountain was clouds and light
03:35:58.340and there's you know the light elves and it was in some place in the center and above but that
03:36:07.300clearly roadmaps aryan mythos in understanding um and that you know the tree is at the top and
03:36:15.060where its roots sink down in that mountainous scape extend and only one house knows where those
03:36:24.020roots reach i think as we have come to understand about the world our understanding of the cosmology
03:36:33.140has changed a bit but i think our ancestors quite variably saw the gods as upper center
03:36:40.260and the roots descending into the middle world descending down into the
03:36:45.620you know svartalfheim and hell guard and ultimately naval hell
03:36:52.500um but now we understand that these these places these realms are
03:36:58.820we know that the gods are center and above but they're not center and above literally
03:37:05.440they're central because they're order and they're above because they're gods so
03:37:11.160once you start kind of shifting that changing that or or not understanding to
03:40:52.120Um, but a lot of the stuff it, it isn't respectful of our source material and it's not presented
03:41:04.600in a way to where if you want to deviate, then say that and be honest about it.
03:41:12.020It's presented as if that's what the lore says.
03:41:15.140And usually it's, and quite often that's not what the lore says.
03:41:20.340that's what maybe victor reidberg said at one point or maybe it's something that recently they
03:41:30.820made some discovery that made them feel that way but it oftentimes is not consistent with what
03:41:38.020the lore says in certainly the traditional understanding of it or interpretation of it
03:41:45.380um go ahead one thing to say if that's the case and they're talking about post death um exoneration
03:41:56.420to valhall we've already spoken about that that that we believe that you absolutely can even
03:42:03.840though you pass the bridge to hell but it is also worth noting that lord ovin and and the
03:42:12.280the vowel of his name val often always gets you know brought about the focus is on the slain the
03:42:20.340slain the slain vowel also means to choose the chosen so the einherjar are chosen up that he
03:42:30.300has that ability to take the soul um and i know lord othen has often been referred to as a psychopomp
03:42:38.640but i you know i believe that this is one of the cases that clearly lends towards that title being
03:42:44.240pretty pretty clear is that he chooses and he draws up but if you pass and you cross that bridge
03:42:52.240you can still be exalted up by the notoriety in midgard the notoriety of your ancestors and the
03:43:01.360notoriety that the gods see and then you are brought up and that's why those three roots exist
03:43:09.360roots draw up so i think this is kind of interesting too so leaving leaving them alone for a second
03:43:20.240And the idea, it's very easy to get caught up in the imagery of the world.
03:43:42.060And I think we do that a lot, and I think it grounds us, it orients us, and it helps us to digest and project ourselves mentally into situation and place, because that's how we know existence to be in our experience.
03:44:03.980I think it is likely very different than all of those things.
03:44:08.260I don't think that if you get on a horse and you travel far enough in a certain direction, you wind up at some gates and you can jump over the gates and then you go to hell.
03:44:21.560I think all of these things help us understand it is distant.
03:55:52.020if you are asrael abyss and you're just doing goofy goth stuff and you've got your hair all
03:56:01.460hair sprayed up and you're like look at me i'm spooky and you happen to put some runes on some
03:56:09.220stuff i don't think that that keeps the bad spirits away i think the bad spirits laugh at you
03:56:19.300but i think something happens when you break the fourth wall like that and you reach out beyond
03:56:27.780the mundane existence and say hey subtle forces in this area spirits ghosts what have you
03:56:35.780this is mine now for me and my family i see you i know you you exist i'm here i'm a good person
03:56:47.740i'm going to treat things fairly i'm aware this is ours don't mess with this that has
03:56:57.420i've said this before and i don't think this is the answer a lot of people are looking for
03:57:06.580sometimes i think they want some ancient like arcane tome that has a spell and i think
03:57:13.880and i'm not saying that that's wrong i approach spirituality as an art and not as a science
03:57:23.220there are many many people throughout time including today that it's very much about a
03:57:29.920formula and about a very set tradition and if you are fully dialed into that
03:57:36.560and are able to pour your will into that and that's a if you have a strong belief in that
03:57:45.620and further if that belief is backed by a strong lineage in it i think that that's valid and
03:57:52.440effective, and I'm not disrespecting it. But if you are operating the way that I would and do,
03:58:03.400it is about an expression of your will in how you do things. And if you are amongst
03:58:11.260forces that want to victimize you, people that act completely unaware that any of these things
03:58:19.420exist and are not paying any attention are easy targets people that say hey i'm here heads up
03:58:28.300i am reaching out into where you are this is what i am doing i will make offerings i will be a good
03:58:35.420you know good neighbor but i'm also not not one to be taken advantage of
03:58:43.260i think those people are much less likely to be the victims of folks looking to take advantage
03:58:49.420I think this is true in every part of your life.
03:58:54.020I think that if you demand that the ghosts listen to you and everybody stays away because you're the powerful rune magus in mom's basement,
03:59:10.840I don't think any of your magical spell prevents bad things from happening to you.
03:59:15.380I think those people think you're a joke just like the rest of us.
03:59:18.080on whatever side of the veil they might be on.
03:59:23.840But I think that if you're a sincere person
03:59:26.320that carries yourself with that in life
04:07:56.900and it's stupid that i have to say that and then qualify it0.99
04:08:06.900but sometimes in the wolf age where we find ourselves the very common sense position0.93
04:08:15.300has been and i think okay so while we're on this and we get at the 10 o'clock hour when four hours
04:08:24.560in and you know for uh surveys in that maybe we wax a little bit distant from the topic but i
04:08:35.620think this is important too it is valuable to every now and again re-examine why we do the
04:08:44.820things we do um and figure out is there a good reason or do we do it because we saw somebody
04:08:54.980else do it and they saw somebody else do it and it's worth going back to center and runically
04:09:03.220when doing meditation and rune work i like ys the uh the iron rune of ice
04:09:13.120to start any of those practices really often or at different points in my life
04:09:21.020for stillness for like hey pause life's moving too fast let's come back to center let's collect
04:09:32.520ourselves and then from a fresh and objective position let's proceed back out into the world
04:09:41.320or let's start our magical operation i think it's really important intellectually to do that as well
04:09:50.840i have an important decision to make about my child and their health
04:09:54.200let's pretend none of the social conditioning exists what is their situation
04:10:03.520without hearing any other thing what ought i do okay i should do this now let's one by one
04:10:15.260factor in reasons to get me to deviate from and there may very well be compelling reasons to
04:10:22.600deviate for a lot of reasons. But it's an important lesson that my dad taught me. It's sad
04:10:29.600because it's the same lesson that caused rift between us during the COVID situation as far as
04:10:41.340COVID vaccinations and things go. But my dad always taught me that you need a compelling
04:10:48.260reason to deviate from the default. So, you know, something just kind of that everybody said,
04:10:56.620and I think people still say today, you casually, when somebody's like, oh, why should I do stupid0.93
04:11:02.660thing that teenager wants to do? Why not? YOLO. No, pause. No, there's not why not.0.89
04:11:09.940that's the default do the right stuff that you ought to be doing
04:11:16.660huh there's this strange deviant odd thing that drastically breaks from my norm
04:11:23.080not that you shouldn't do it but you should have a significant reason to
04:11:29.560if all things being equal no stay the course if you want to change you need a reason to do that
04:11:37.380And it puts things in an interesting perspective that way. And I think this should be the case with a lot of stuff. If you do that and you examine like, no, I am Jewish and this is a sign of the covenant with my God, then perhaps that's what you ought to be doing.
04:11:55.860it's not the afa's position to tell other races of people how to pursue their connection with
04:12:02.260their divinities but if the reason is oh because the doctor does that or i don't want to look funny
04:12:10.180and i don't want his stuff to look different than my stuff because it's confusing
04:12:16.500i don't know if that i say that i know that's not a significant enough reason to
04:18:21.300The times that I don't voraciously consume Ben's output, but I don't dislike him, and I think it's really important to take him for who he is and who he says he is and not who the purity spiral wants to have him be and then be mad at him about.
04:18:48.320he's a jewish man who's very proud of his judaism he makes judaism and his support for the jewish
04:18:58.000state of israel a very foundational principle that he rallies behind and he doesn't do it
04:19:08.240surreptitiously he doesn't do it dishonestly that is very strongly who he is and what he believes in
04:19:14.080he wears his yarmulke he does his stuff i'm not going to be upset that his interests aren't
04:19:21.680always my interests he represents an entirely different group of people and i and i respect
04:19:27.640that um and he's you know because he is traditionally minded in a lot of ways we do
04:19:36.320come to an agreement in general terms on a lot of broad stroke stuff from time to time
04:19:41.860what I don't like is his little nasally high school debate voice and cadence I don't know
04:19:49.640if the rest of you like get triggered by it the same way that I do when I was in high school I
04:19:54.880did debate and you get these nasally little kids that would be in debate and they always talk like
04:20:01.360this and I have this thing so you have to think like this so clearly if you uh if you quadrangulate
04:24:13.440silly things sometimes I think a lot of the problems are a lot closer to home and a lot
04:24:21.460more accessible than some of the people that we perceive there is a hierarchy of threat and
04:24:31.560lack of interest and I think some of the people we choose to pick petty squabbles with we can
04:24:38.140coexist with a lot better than a lot of much more immediate much more severe concerns i think we
04:24:45.880prioritize poorly on that often um this is a really interesting one i like this one a lot i
04:24:54.920saw it a while ago uh this is kind of an odd question but uh just occurred to me since we
04:25:04.520doing bloat and worshiping the gods here in myth garden will we also be doing bloat
04:25:11.240and worshiping the gods in hell with our ancestors
04:25:19.000that is a great question um yeah i i i believe so i i think that the processes might not be
04:25:28.760the same mainly because of the physical elements of it um perhaps there's a new physical
04:25:34.520But I do believe that there is a connection and a cycling of giving that partakes in the world away from time and order, that place, that holding place, that its purpose there, too, is to hold us, you know, so that the cycling can happen.
04:25:57.560And, you know, that it's a sacred place that survives even Ragnarok.
04:26:04.520that we do continue a gift cycle with the gods after death um i think that's it's it's part of
04:26:14.000when we were speaking about before with the sending up of soul parts and sending up of the
04:26:19.800boons and the blessings that the ancestors give and that the gods allocate into the world in the
04:26:25.020middle drawing up that root coming to the tree in the well and being replaced in to the the well
04:26:32.160spring um is that kind of involvement just as much as our ancestors are interacting with us or and
04:26:43.440and seeing us as well but yeah i i believe so and i think that's a great great question
04:26:50.240yeah absolutely um first i i love the question and i think it's a really
04:27:09.840i think the fact that you are asking the question there is
04:27:14.560evidence that your worldview and the lens with which you're interacting with
04:27:27.840everything around you is moving very much in the right direction and is is oriented correctly
04:27:36.160um this is something i've been thinking a lot about lately or in really closely related terms
04:30:53.040They still serve as priests of our gods.0.98
04:30:58.900I have the power to ordain them or to revoke their ordination, and I didn't do that.
04:31:06.420So, yes, they are absolutely to AFA Gothar beyond the veil, serving our church, serving our folk, able to minister to our folk in that realm, whatever that looks like.
04:31:19.520Does it look the same as it is here to where we get on our like dead people phones and call them up?
04:31:28.500It helps us to think of it that way because it makes sense.
04:31:31.980But the truth is, are the souls of our folk there? Yes. Are the souls of our folk in a realm that is accessible to them in a more one-for-one way than ours is here? Absolutely.
04:31:46.900Are they still committed to caring for the souls of those that have passed of our folk? You bet they are.
04:31:55.520so whatever form that takes and what it looks like is probably beyond our wildest
04:32:01.720imagination but it exists it's there and what we do know is there is relation between the two
04:32:09.700when people beyond the veil interact with us here in Midgard
04:32:17.340they are them so how we perceive them is relevant to who they were in the way that we knew them here
04:32:32.340they are able to connect with that in their interaction with us be it in what we see
04:32:40.940be it in what we smell, be it in what we hear, be it in a voice or a sound or a presence.
04:32:49.400So whatever it's like, it's close enough that it translates and it makes sense when they send
04:32:56.320communication this way. And we can be confident that it makes sense when we send communication
04:33:02.620that way. We know all of those things to be true. There's so many other things that we have yet to
04:33:09.760have yet to learn but we know those things are true and so 100 we do that
04:33:17.120and i'm you know very excited to one day learn just what that looks like
04:33:25.120um with the rune fehu represent the first action slash principle representing fire as the
04:33:35.840transformation of one state to another it's fine thoughts yes no um yes i i do believe
04:33:45.440i saw that question a little while ago when i was when i had went back um
04:33:51.840however um and again this i'm speaking from my runic practices um i i would say that also the uh
04:34:01.040kwan room would be well for that as well except considering some of the things you said
04:34:08.960the transformative state externally um fee and the fire and the golds uh that which you
04:34:17.440know the expansiveness of muspelheim uh converting and initiating the uh creation
04:34:25.920by melting niflheim so that's external and then corn or kenna's or uh the keen rune is internal
04:34:36.220so it becomes much more like a furnace or a a place in which the heat is condensed and the
04:34:45.180transformative state is done within so if you're looking for the transformative state to be sourced
04:34:52.780from you and move out to affect the world it would be in my opinion fee or feyhoo and if
04:35:00.460you were trying to change yourself within transformatively then it would be con or canons
04:36:50.060fluidity of expending energy and recouping energy and that process of circulating
04:37:02.580resources in whatever form the resources are it is the fluid transfer of
04:37:16.320because i don't think energy necessarily puts it right of of currency but when i say the word
04:37:27.240currency we think of it in terms of coin or money and the monetary implication is there in faith
04:37:36.280and certainly but it's not that it's spending of luck it's spending of hymenian spiritual might
04:37:47.880it's literally spending of money it's the spending of resources and the churn of resources
04:37:57.000that through cyclical action of okay i see i don't know if it works as first principle or not i don't
04:38:09.720speak that but it is fundamentally involved in the idea of the gift cycle so something spirals
04:38:18.360when you expend wealth and i guess in a in its most fundamental fee is about your purse of that
04:38:28.920wealth but it's heavily implied that it's the idea of of it's it's specifically mobile and not rooted
04:38:38.680it's not fixed property it's that that you expend and exchange and spend on stuff money in the money
04:38:47.560been doesn't mean anything it only means something when you apply it to effect when you buy an ice
04:38:53.960cream or whatever you spend it on then it has a value until then it is a potential so you're
04:39:01.720taking potential energy and you are cycling it when we engage in the gift cycle with the gods
04:39:10.200in a divine way with our friends and family in a you know everyday familial way with our
04:39:21.080staff or retainers or employees or whatever we're engaged in the continuous cycle of that
04:39:30.840builds relationship over time it becomes worth more than the sum of its parts
04:39:37.160If I buy Svon a gift that costs $10, and then he buys me a gift that costs $10, so I buy him another $10 gift, he buys me another one.
04:39:48.420Every time we do that, we keep $10 of value, but we've built relationship, friendship, loyalty, trust.
04:40:02.880We've built countless intangibles by circulating the same 10.
04:40:08.900And that's part of that rune, of the fae rune, is the, through cycling the currency of what you have that you can spend, it's spiraling and becoming more than the sum of its parts.
04:40:35.700that's fundamental to our gift cycle it's fundamental to all the things we do it's
04:40:39.860fundamental to the economy you got to spend money to make money it's fundamental to
04:40:47.940a lot of different processes i don't know that it qualifies with your transformative fire because
04:40:56.180i think that is much more kina's it's much more count and it's also much more uh now so um the
04:41:07.860need fire has to do with that transmutation but through desperation and through intense need
04:41:19.700uh count does that through inspiration um
04:41:29.060there are elements of that in other rooms that i think fit better than the feed room
04:41:41.700and i hope it do i think i i think i was overly wordy on that but i think it's counts
04:41:49.700So, another really interesting question. Wolfthrone, you've got really interesting ones tonight. Not that you don't usually bring good stuff to the table, but some of these are really engaging this evening.
04:42:04.440If there are human spirits wandering Midgard that we can interact with, how does that fit in an
04:42:13.000Alcitru worldview? Are some of us doomed to wander Midgard for eternity without ever getting back
04:42:21.340to our ancestors? Svan, let's say you. We kind of discussed this at length during the soul VNS.
04:42:30.340um the uh the spiritual part say that you see of you go to a battleground or you uh you know
04:42:45.800go into a house and you see um the apparition of someone doing things uh this most likely
04:42:56.380is the hammer, the soul skin, if you will. The soul skin is the part of the body that is sometimes
04:43:07.700referred to as just being under the skin, if you will. It's also kind of a projection of the das
04:43:15.320sign or the um the eck and it is imprintable into areas uh but you spoke of interaction and that's
04:43:27.640interesting um the general sense is that by some way our ancestors do interact with us
04:43:39.080but uh you know i i wonder about at certain points like um if you ask an ancestor to move something
04:43:47.400in the room and they do it that is a level of interaction that i'm i'm speculative of um
04:43:56.040simply because uh you know foul spirits that like to trick people um land spirits uh some you know
04:44:03.560i know the gauls called them fey um have a tendency to be that way um but overall if
04:44:12.200you're seeing an apparition it's most likely of the hammer and if you are interacting with
04:44:18.920your ancestors in um i my experience is that they they they interact with me through very
04:44:28.280like less uh i don't know obvious means there's there's sometimes through dreams um through a
04:44:36.760general sense of uh you know like finding things that uh were connected to them or learning about
04:44:43.800things or finding a little piece of something from a photograph to a part in a book or handwriting
04:44:50.360whatever i i believe those are interactions that i have with my ancestors
04:44:53.880but if we're talking about like spooky haunting stuff um i i generally point towards the the more
04:45:03.120of the iller spirits um and they are few and far between um that have a tendency to you know uh
04:45:12.360do things so are you destined to roam i don't think so i think that um you are you can leave
04:45:21.000parts here i don't know if perhaps maybe being marked as a needling so badly that you you're like
04:45:29.000trapped here for a while but my general idea is that you you aren't you can leave parts of your
04:45:35.960soul in places parts of your imprint you leave your your leak with here um it's just as simple
04:45:44.360too that you could also leave your hammer here um when you when you pass on but your soul
04:45:52.120and your ek they travel on um and they interact with your your descendants um that's what interacts
04:46:00.840with your descendants and you can interact with them in i think very very subtle ways
04:46:06.760because all things that kind of move through the well and the and the tree are not so
04:46:14.360often egregiously forward i think that the gods work often in that same way they don't work
04:46:22.360just come down flip a switch instead knowing as they know because they're gods they
04:46:30.440they work through longhand um interaction and i think that our ancestry is is the same way
04:46:38.840so do i believe that ghosts are all the actual south of someone living here i don't
04:46:46.440i believe that their um their imprints are pieces of their soul
05:10:04.180Don't sacrifice your freedom and your job and your family and like important things over inconsequential things.
05:10:14.560If someone is threatening to hurt you or people that you love and care about and you run and hide instead of addressing that appropriately, then that might very well be cowardice.
05:10:31.000But what I found really good is you don't always have to take the bait.0.97
05:10:35.300You can sidestep a lot of really stupid things by not going down a road.0.91
05:10:41.540Very seldom have I seen fights be instantaneous things.0.99