Asatru Folk Assembly - 8⧸30⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 60 - Meister Guido von List

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00:03:00.000 hello welcome back to victory never sleeps

00:03:14.320 tonight our special guest is whit and daniel young here to talk to us

00:03:19.920 about also true hero maestro guido von list before we get into the meat of today's show

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00:04:37.600 since last time we spoke I am proud to announce and to congratulate Justin Day and the fine folks

00:04:48.580 of Texas. They had a really nice turnout at their fall harvest fest that they did just out

00:04:56.260 in the Dallas area. So congratulations to those guys. I hope some of you were able to join them

00:05:02.340 out there. If not, look forward to events they do in the future because they got a good thing going

00:05:06.920 there. I think it's also a good time to plug Frayer's Harvest Feast going on next month

00:05:15.660 into next month. We have it up there for those of you listening later and can't see the graphic

00:05:21.320 from the 22nd to the 24th of September. That'll be in Montana and that'll actually be on an AFA

00:05:28.160 member's homestead that he and his family are developing. So that should be a really nice event.

00:05:33.300 I believe the McNallans just got their tickets to go up there today. So look forward to seeing

00:05:40.660 those folks, that's always a really special opportunity. Oh, also, just a heads up on our

00:05:54.180 quest to get a lawnmower out at Sigurheim. Just any lawnmower, mind you, a zero turn that's going

00:06:01.540 to handle the two big fields we have. I think we've got just over $1,400 donated on that. That

00:06:08.280 gets us almost halfway to where we need to go. So if you guys would like to help us so we can

00:06:13.540 keep that down, keep the bugs at a minimum and make it a good spot to have folks out,

00:06:19.960 please consider donating at our donating link that Nick's going to put up. Or for those of you

00:06:25.040 joining us on Spotify, it's at runestone.org. There's a link for donate. You can find it

00:06:33.120 there with a little thermometer, tells you where we're at and where we've got to go.

00:06:38.280 Yeah, thanks for folks that have contributed to that. So you know, Sigurheim will be hosting

00:06:47.620 Winter Nights this year, the National Winter Nights that is typically up in the Pennsylvania,

00:06:53.800 Ohio area. Due to some logistics, that's going to be at Sigurheim for the first time this year,

00:06:59.260 and I'm looking forward to it. It's a great opportunity to show everybody our amazing

00:07:03.060 property we have out there that so many dreams are going to be built on. So if you can make it,

00:07:08.280 awesome i would love to see you there if you're a member cool talk to your folk builder they can

00:07:12.680 get you set up if you're not a member talk to your folk builder they can get everything figured out

00:07:17.480 for you and we'd love to we'd love to see you out there without further ado i think that's kind of

00:07:24.120 what we've got um so before we get in the in the meat and taters of today's program daniel can you

00:07:38.280 tell the folks what you've been up to since last time you've been on the program

00:07:43.720 certainly it's been um it's been an interesting couple of months uh since i was last on the

00:07:49.720 program we were at um cigar blows at sigerheim uh back in in july and uh that took up about a week

00:07:58.840 of our time we uh along with matt regardless of what you may hear matt did put in some sweat equity

00:08:05.240 and helped us put up the fellowship tent, cleared out some brush,

00:08:11.580 and we actually interred the remains of Matt's mother

00:08:18.580 up on the hill in the graveyard.

00:08:21.180 And we had a wonderful time up there.

00:08:24.540 And, yeah, so I was, at that time, I was feeling okay health-wise.

00:08:29.960 I was having some weird symptoms that

00:08:34.060 perhaps were a sign of things to come, but I just didn't realize it at the time as

00:08:37.780 these things typically happen that way, and

00:08:41.480 I'd say about two weeks after that, and that

00:08:46.100 was the middle of the month, wasn't it, when we were at Sagerheim?

00:08:50.700 Second or third week? Thereabouts.

00:08:53.680 Okay, so fast forward a couple of weeks,

00:08:57.400 and uh it was my my weekend off and uh on sunday july the 30th we had just uh we slept in a little

00:09:07.200 bit because we had um visited the thors hall the night before and uh attended sitter bloke there

00:09:12.820 we had a amazing sumble that day i remember that sumble just like i i'm sitting there just as sure

00:09:19.140 as i'm talking to you it was a pretty small turnout but we had a really really cool sumble

00:09:24.560 in a very impassioned bloke by witness fawn harrell

00:09:28.000 i can still hear him i can still hear his three horns sounding it was one of the best he'd ever

00:09:34.340 done it rattled the rafters so on the 30th which was uh that sunday i got up my normal time which

00:09:42.400 would have been seven or eight in the morning on a day off and uh i took a shower and uh

00:09:50.500 hopped out the shower got dried off cleaned up and all that stuff and threw on you know my gym

00:09:55.440 clothes and stuff and went to go grab my phone to check some notifications that were coming through

00:10:00.800 and uh suddenly started having the most uh dreadful symptoms uh that i've ever felt um first

00:10:09.940 thing that occurred was uh my jaw started hurting really bad and uh within seconds my throat felt

00:10:17.440 like I was, you know, like someone's hand was gripping my throat and choking me out.

00:10:22.020 And that triggered like a really strange cough.

00:10:26.320 And the next thing was, felt like someone set a cinder block on my chest and suddenly

00:10:32.320 my left arm went numb.

00:10:35.220 And about this time, my wife was in the shower and I, you know, told her, you know, hey,

00:10:40.820 we've got to go.

00:10:41.940 Something's wrong.

00:10:43.600 I thought I was having a stroke or perhaps some sort of diabetic episode because I do have type 2 diabetes.

00:10:50.460 And within a minute or two, we were jumping in the van and headed down to the local ER.

00:10:56.940 I only live about a block from the local hospital.

00:10:59.980 And I go to the front desk, and there's another guy standing there arguing with the lady at the desk.

00:11:07.240 And I remember kind of firmly asking him to get out of the way because I remember telling the lady at the desk that, you know, I need help.

00:11:15.920 I'm dying.

00:11:18.140 I get rushed back to the back and they hook me up to an EKG.

00:11:23.180 And they're not really saying much.

00:11:26.220 They're just asking me, you know, what's going on with me.

00:11:28.140 And I'm giving them a blow by blow of the symptoms I'm having.

00:11:30.600 and uh so yeah they're looking at the EKG and I can tell by the look on their face that you know

00:11:37.100 something's not right and uh and on top of that everybody was just moving so fast that you know

00:11:43.840 that that raised the anxiety level even more and I live in a pretty small rural uh uh county seat

00:11:50.940 uh the population of the town I live in is less than 2,000 I think and uh so I remember the doc

00:11:56.740 coming in and uh he was saying you know we've got a helicopter that'll be here in 11 minutes

00:12:02.340 and that's when i i knew something something was seriously wrong so it turns out i was having a

00:12:08.180 i was having a massive heart attack um this is something matt kind of pokes at me about and uh

00:12:14.740 and and it is humorous but i've got all kinds of fat guy problems uh everything but the fat guy

00:12:19.780 thing you know i'm i'm five foot nine 150 pounds 12 body fat and i keep myself in pretty good shape

00:12:26.340 but i've got you know different health issues that were typically reserved for people who don't take

00:12:32.020 very good care of themselves so um the flight medics arrived uh pushed me into a helicopter

00:12:40.900 and uh i remember telling them you know i was really reluctant to take the helicopter because

00:12:46.340 i've been on planes before the helicopters crash all the time and that guy told me he's like we

00:12:52.420 we don't have time to take an ambulance. So I knew then that, like, it wasn't just, you know,

00:12:57.340 an ordinary heart attack. I was in real trouble. And so we're flying over, flying over the city

00:13:03.900 of Columbia, and I'm going to the main heart hospital in the state. And I'm saying, I'm saying

00:13:09.940 all my prayers. And I prayed to Heimdall that his heavenly light keeps shining on me.

00:13:17.240 And I prayed to our All Fathers to not prepare Hell's Road for me.

00:13:23.340 With a nod to the ancestors, I was not ready to join them, but I still have work to do.

00:13:27.720 And I wanted to make sure that I had the opportunity to see my girls at least once.

00:13:37.580 So we arrived at the hospital. 0.79

00:13:39.880 They take me and they install four stints in my heart.

00:13:42.860 and uh in the time it took heather to drive from our town

00:13:47.040 to the uh to the capital city where the hospital was probably a 25 minute drive

00:13:52.760 and by the time she got there we were just about done

00:13:55.840 and uh yeah so she had uh called all the necessary people she being my wife uh called my my immediate

00:14:07.000 family, my adult children, and, of course, the high priest of our church, Mr. Flavelle,

00:14:14.740 Whitney Callahan. She called Svon also, Whitney Svon. Didn't get a hold of Svon.

00:14:21.400 And maybe I'll touch more on that later. Matt, is it okay with me taking up more time on that?

00:14:26.140 You've got to now. You open the door.

00:14:28.160 Okay. So they got me to cath lab, and they had, instead of having to crack my chest open,

00:14:35.180 thankfully didn't have to do that they went in through the uh um femoral artery in my groin

00:14:42.140 and uh i remember i was leaning back you know laying back on the on the hospital bed and i kept

00:14:46.620 picking my head up i remember them telling me put your head back down because i guess that was putting

00:14:51.820 tension in the area that they were working in and i was not um i wasn't uh put under like with

00:14:58.620 anesthesia or anything they had given me uh pain meds or whatever to help help the pain and to

00:15:03.900 to calm me down but i was as conscious as i could be and uh so i laid back in the bed a couple more

00:15:11.740 times and kept bobbing my head up and i kept telling me to put my head back down and i remember

00:15:15.720 that the the nurses i could still see their hands you know working all around the area they're

00:15:21.660 working in and i remember grabbing their hands and it wasn't just to like shake their hands it was

00:15:27.440 just letting me know that i'm still alive and i remember they shoved my hand away so they could

00:15:32.380 keep doing their work. So if you've ever been in a hospital bed, you know they've got the little

00:15:37.260 rails on the left and the right with all the little control buttons and stuff to raise and

00:15:41.680 lower the bed or call the nurse or whatever. And I look to my right, and that's where the nurses

00:15:46.040 are. And down by my feet is where the doctor is, the cardiologist. And I look over to my left, and

00:15:51.900 I'm telling you, just as sure as I see Matt on the screen, I look over, and there's Svon.

00:15:57.420 and uh spawn's got his arms crossed on my mattress and he's got his head

00:16:04.680 resting on his uh on his arms like that and uh he's nodding well i'm telling him everything

00:16:11.180 that's going on i told him the whole scenario i just told you guys and told him what i thought

00:16:16.060 was happening right then and i can i mean i could see him so clearly like uh for those of you who

00:16:24.160 know spawn or seen spawn on the program you know he's got a real furrowed brow

00:16:28.000 right here and he always looks real real concerned so he had that look going on

00:16:33.520 he was wearing a black button-down collared like work shirt kind of thing

00:16:39.220 and his sleeves were rolled up and we had his arms folded on my bed I can see

00:16:43.660 all the tattoos on his arms so I'm as certain as I can be that he was there

00:16:49.960 And he didn't say anything to me. I just remember telling him that, you know, I got to make it back to my girls.

00:16:56.400 And if I don't make it back, I need you to look after my girls.

00:17:00.160 And he nodded and listened and nodded and listened.

00:17:02.900 He jumped up and he placed his hand on my shoulder and gave me a squeeze, as he typically would, and just walked out of the room.

00:17:11.300 And so by this time, the procedure is over with.

00:17:14.660 And I can tell that it's over because I feel instantly better.

00:17:18.180 Like, I felt like nothing happened at all, the exception of being sore at the site where they were doing all the work.

00:17:24.940 And so they rolled me out past my family and my wife, my mother and my granddaughter were there.

00:17:31.240 My oldest granddaughter is four years old. And this is the only time she got to see me because they were taking me to ICU.

00:17:38.020 And I was telling my wife and my mom, everything was fine and everything was going to be OK.

00:17:43.240 i just talked it's fine and uh you know i didn't think any more of it i mean like i said i said it

00:17:51.160 as much clarity as i'm talking to you right now and uh they took me to icu and um you know no

00:17:58.440 further discussion about spawn and uh it was i was under the impression that spawn was actually there

00:18:06.200 and visited me and my wife was telling me no no he i never got him on the phone and i think uh

00:18:14.520 throughout the hours that followed uh spawn had returned a phone call or whatever to see what was

00:18:19.560 going on and it turns out during this whole time that i'm i'm having a heart attack and having this

00:18:24.360 procedure done that uh he's sleeping he's still sleeping in because he was the last to leave the

00:18:29.720 off the night before so it's uh it's my belief that while i was saying those prayers to the gods

00:18:37.880 and um in their cosmic way and i'll never really fully understand what happened

00:18:44.600 but it's almost like they were looking at the the broader spectrum of uh faithful followers

00:18:51.480 of the ice here and said this one over here is sleeping and just plucked a little piece

00:18:55.400 sit down and put it over there with me um and i believe in our soul complex that was called the

00:19:01.720 hammer which is the projected that actually will take the uh that will usually present itself in

00:19:09.720 the same form as your physical body uh and to be uh and to be truthful swan has no recollection of

00:19:16.520 any of this, but it was a really emotional thing being that close to death. And I found out later

00:19:27.500 that it was the type of heart attack that I had is the one they call the Widowmaker.

00:19:32.580 I just looked at the statistics on this this morning, and I only had a 20% chance of survival.

00:19:39.600 The only thing that really saved me was the fact that we lived so close to the hospital,

00:19:43.960 and we wasted no time getting there and they wasted no time getting me out of there into a

00:19:48.800 into a heart hospital and the fact that I take care of myself and uh yeah it's uh it's been a

00:19:57.960 it's been a tough thing to deal with that I've been able to leave my house much

00:20:01.220 I still haven't returned to my regular work duties or whatever I took some time away from

00:20:08.380 my administrative duties in the AFA. And thankfully, Goethe Rob Stamm was ready and able to pick up

00:20:18.200 where I left off when it came to the administrative stuff. And yeah, so yeah, I can't lift weights or

00:20:26.340 anything. I'm still going through rehab. Apparently, the part of the heart that took the most damage

00:20:32.780 or whatever uh the heart is like a muscle but it doesn't repair itself the same way that like a

00:20:40.060 skeletal muscle does whereas you know when you lift weights they it tears down and then

00:20:45.260 the protein you take in builds the muscle up once the heart's damage it's damaged

00:20:50.940 um it builds up like a scar tissue and that part of the heart doesn't function the same

00:20:56.780 or at all and the rest of the heart has to make up the you know take up the slack so

00:21:02.780 It's been hard for me to do, you know, any kind of strenuous physical activity, which I'm not supposed to be doing any anyway.

00:21:09.720 And. Yeah, so that happened on the 30th of July and.

00:21:17.560 Within two weeks, the birth of my grandson went down in the same hospital, which was another one of those things I was praying hard for.

00:21:28.420 I remember telling the medics and the nurses and stuff, you know, I've got a grandson that's due any day now and I would like to be there.

00:21:36.880 You know, just make sure I make it to that. And so when he was born, that was extremely emotional.

00:21:43.380 And, you know, one of those things where your whole perspective on things starts to change.

00:21:49.800 I keep using the word grateful

00:21:53.880 and that's taken on much more meaning now than ever in my life

00:21:58.940 I've always been grateful for where I'm at in life

00:22:02.780 I'm grateful for the wonderful wife that I have

00:22:07.100 that's stuck with me for 26 years

00:22:09.940 Heather and I have been together since we were teenagers

00:22:11.720 I've got two beautiful adult children

00:22:14.500 both in their mid-20s that have given me now four grandchildren

00:22:18.240 I have a 14-year-old daughter that is literally the apple of my eye.

00:22:22.600 She is the light of my life and really supportive parents and amazing friends in the Ostrow Folk Assembly.

00:22:31.420 I've always been grateful, but that gratefulness has taken on a whole new meaning.

00:22:38.960 I wake up every day at 6 o'clock to take my meds, and I march straight upstairs and wake up Lauren, my 14-year-old,

00:22:46.720 and drag her butt downstairs to the altar and we give prayers of thanks every single day

00:22:54.000 um and the reason i wanted to share some of this is because um i guess a lot of it's obvious from

00:23:00.960 what i've been saying but you know you can be taking really good care of yourself um

00:23:06.880 i was lifting weight six days a week i didn't do a whole lot of cardio stuff but lifting weight six

00:23:11.920 days a week doing my best to manage my diet at one point i was eating um 3 500 calories of lean meat

00:23:22.000 every day and that's all i was eating but you just don't ever know that in an instant

00:23:28.320 it can all be over um you know i hadn't i hadn't finished filling out the stuff for my will

00:23:35.280 I was unsure of life insurance stuff, medical insurance stuff.

00:23:41.460 I had no idea how much of the stuff was going to get taken care of.

00:23:44.800 And thankfully, you know, I didn't have to use any of it except for medical insurance.

00:23:52.980 I had a lot of special people praying for me.

00:23:57.520 And my own prayers were definitely heard and definitely answered.

00:24:03.520 and I owe an extreme amount of gratitude to a lot of people.

00:24:12.100 I had, you know, messages by the hundreds by the day after.

00:24:18.780 And everybody was encouraging me to fight through it and stay strong and all that.

00:24:22.980 And what was interesting about this is I am distrustful of the medical industry.

00:24:30.680 And I have been for a while.

00:24:31.820 But those things are not always just black and white. It's not either or.

00:24:37.380 I've had a Widowmaker heart attack on the 30th at 9 a.m., and I was on my way home the next day at 9 a.m., 24 hours.

00:24:47.020 The whole ordeal was over with. 0.98

00:24:52.560 I want everybody to take from what I'm saying.

00:24:55.680 You know, if you take one thing from what I'm saying is do your best to take care of yourself, you know, get your blood work checked.

00:25:01.820 you know check check the cholesterols and a1c levels and all the stuff that you're supposed

00:25:05.900 to check and if those things are out of sorts or whatever get it fixed um i pick on matt because

00:25:14.860 matt eats like a like a like a like a monster uh and i then i told him the other day i said 0.64

00:25:22.540 every time you eat a donut or uh or an ice cream sandwich you're slapping me in the face 0.92

00:25:26.860 and while i'm saying this from now on every time i see you i'm gonna get a box of ice cream

00:25:32.800 sandwiches and just mean mug you while i mount them down right uh but i want everybody to take

00:25:40.900 their health very seriously uh in a 24-hour period i was literally staring to death in the eye and

00:25:49.080 And it's shocking of how little time I actually had.

00:25:57.580 And thankfully, my wife thought fast and the medical professionals that I went and gave myself over to did their work and did it good and did an exceptional job.

00:26:10.760 And they did it fast. So, yeah, make sure you're taking care of yourself.

00:26:16.100 uh make sure you have a will if you don't have a will you need to get it done if you've done a

00:26:22.260 will and you haven't sent it to alan turnage then you don't have where's that link for us

00:26:27.060 throw that link up for us mr nick so that's a good segue daniel um

00:26:34.260 joking aside it's a really important issue um i'm very thankful that daniel didn't

00:26:42.740 have need of this but he was really close to needing it and we also had a member that we

00:26:50.720 celebrated a little while back but his funeral was this last weekend um

00:26:54.800 getting your will done is super important daniel's not an old guy a little bit older than me but

00:27:03.680 like what a year older than me um yeah i think so uh the member that whose funeral it was michael

00:27:11.120 on he was what 30 um died in a motorcycle accident stuff happens um get your will done get your will

00:27:20.880 done and send a um an original copy meaning fill out two in the original black ink so one's not a

00:27:31.680 photocopy fill out two originals keep one and send one or however many originals you want but at least

00:27:38.800 to and send one of those to uh our law speaker alan turnage for a number of reasons the biggest

00:27:47.440 we want to make sure we can help you get what you want with your body with your any funeral services

00:27:54.320 you want with your assets we want your will literally to be done out of respect to you and

00:28:02.240 those you know those you leave behind so please make sure you do that it's really important and

00:28:06.480 And I've seen too many people not have that.

00:28:10.220 Something else I wanted to stress.

00:28:15.020 We all got work to do, but, you know, there's people who, you know, who you are.

00:28:22.820 It's time to decrease the obese.

00:28:24.840 something I'm very proud of within the AFA is we've tried really hard to be as

00:28:31.120 as helpful and as encouraging to to get our people healthier and in better shape for a

00:28:38.500 myriad of reasons but you know Daniel mentioned that and he's not a fat guy but as his daughter

00:28:46.360 jokingly said he has the soul of a fat guy and if you saw him with the kinder buenos you would

00:28:53.580 you would see that shine through. But seriously though, even without that,

00:29:00.560 these are problems that are very often associated with being overweight and obesity. We should fix

00:29:08.380 that as best we can. And we're trying to help each other is not about rubbing anybody's nose

00:29:14.260 in it. If you're fat, you know, you're fat. It is what it is, but we would love to help each other 0.99

00:29:19.160 get as in as good a shape as we can be and all of us are at a different point on that spectrum

00:29:24.760 we could all be in better shape than we are last i checked we don't have any mr olympias

00:29:29.640 currently as members of the as true folk assembly so we could all get better but it's

00:29:35.720 something to keep my your mind on and uh be aware of say daniel i can speak confidently for all of

00:29:45.480 us we are so very glad that this turned out well for you um it was such a surreal morning i'm you

00:29:55.400 know three hours earlier three hours behind daniel so it's three hours earlier here than

00:30:03.080 whatever it is there and you know i woke up with a frantic call from his wife and

00:30:09.080 two hours later he's out of surgery and things are looking good and a day later he's out of

00:30:14.360 the hospital and that's really amazing because it could have gone a real different way and

00:30:20.040 we're also very thankful that it didn't um other thing that i think is worth noting on this

00:30:25.800 on the uh the spawn's astral projection miracle now it's it is what it is there's a million

00:30:33.560 different things it could have been whatever but i think something important to note

00:30:39.720 talking to spawn afterwards when he didn't know what had happened

00:30:44.360 He, for whatever reason, he was uncharacteristically tired and he slept much longer than he usually did.

00:30:53.440 It wasn't a restful sleep. And he woke up. Time matches up with about when he was done with his astral visit to Daniel's bedside.

00:31:04.220 So, I mean, we joke and whatever, but I really believe there's something to that.

00:31:09.620 And if you listen to some of the discussions between Svon and I, especially this last week's, that goes back to a point that I was making.

00:31:19.260 There's a point where people can master all the aspects of their soul complex and become integrated.

00:31:26.900 But most of us aren't there.

00:31:29.180 And to that degree, there are certain parts of the soul complex that are automated and can do their own thing without you having to be in the driver's seat sometime.

00:31:39.620 And that's what I talked about, about, you know, throwing curses and, you know, maybe people have defenses they don't know they're using.

00:31:47.760 But this is kind of an example of the thing we were talking about.

00:31:54.060 So I wanted to kind of place an emphasis on some stuff, too, when it comes to physical excellence and and maintain your physical health.

00:32:04.160 and this isn't a crack at the big man on the screen with me but it's not always about lifting

00:32:09.860 weights it's not always about getting big it's uh it's also about you know training yourself to be

00:32:16.480 athletic you know cardiovascular training has its place it uh it helps with insulin resistance

00:32:23.740 it helps with cardiovascular health um you know well for years i was uh well i say for years when

00:32:30.580 And when I was a teenager, middle and high school, I played point guard on a high school basketball team.

00:32:37.420 And I met Heather not long after that.

00:32:40.300 At the time when I met and married my wife, which was in a six-month period, I met her in November of 96.

00:32:47.660 And we got married in May of 97.

00:32:51.360 But I weighed 130 pounds, and I was maybe 6% body fat at the time.

00:32:57.720 but i could run all day i could eat whatever the hell i wanted uh i did it used to be we would do

00:33:05.620 60 minute half court uh sprints when i was uh at that age of course i'm definitely not doing that

00:33:12.660 kind of thing now uh but yeah don't just place emphasis on aesthetics you know place emphasis

00:33:19.320 on you know overall health aesthetics do matter beauty does matter and we recognize and admire

00:33:24.620 beauty, but that's not the, that's not the end of it. Here's one of the cool things about it is

00:33:30.740 depending on what you like to do, there is so much that you can do. Chances are most all of us

00:33:37.360 listening to this program. If you go in there trying to lift weights to be bigger and stronger,

00:33:42.180 you will get healthier. If you go in there to try to be an endurance athlete, you will get

00:33:47.860 healthier. If you go in there trying to pursue anything and you stick to it, chances are you'll

00:33:53.140 be healthier than where you're at now. And it's really good to encourage everybody to do that.

00:33:56.780 It's kind of a side note. We have our newest AFA Goethe, Nate Erlandson up in Minnesota,

00:34:05.060 just got done doing an endurance bicycle race. You know, he's really into doing that the past

00:34:10.440 few years and he's got done doing one of those this last weekend. So a lot of options on stuff

00:34:17.580 to do to help get in better shape. And we should always encourage each other to do what we can on

00:34:22.620 that and now half an hour into our program because i don't want to shortchange the meister

00:34:28.860 and i don't want to give you any more time to stall on this so those of you that may not know um

00:34:34.300 we had a had a scheduling thing so daniel picked up this topic at the last minute and volunteered to

00:34:39.980 come on and talk to you all about meister von list and without further ado please assume that

00:34:46.060 our audience has never heard of him before and tell us a little bit about meister von list and

00:34:51.340 the world that he existed in sure now you'll have to forgive me i'll be glancing off camera a few

00:34:59.420 times i took pretty extensive notes and uh for everybody's reference um my primary source on

00:35:05.980 this was uh the biography that uh dr stephen flowers does at the uh at the beginning of the

00:35:12.780 secret of the runes which are in which uh dr flowers translated so if some of this sounds

00:35:18.460 familiar that's where it came from and uh so yeah he was born uh guido carl anton list in vienna

00:35:27.180 uh october the 5th of 1848 two parents uh his father's name was carl august and his mother was

00:35:33.900 maria list uh they were his father was a prosperous leather goods dealer and we can assume that uh

00:35:41.420 that Guido grew up in a fairly comfortable life. They were devoted Catholics, but at a very early

00:35:49.740 age he started sketching landscapes of lower Austria and the cityscape of Vienna, which is

00:35:54.860 where he was from. And we know this from the sketchbooks that date back as far, date as far

00:36:01.340 back as 1863, and they were actually published much later in the German mythological landscape scenes

00:36:10.700 in 1891. And, you know, despite his artistic and mystical interest, he was expected to follow in

00:36:19.900 his father's footsteps and run the family business. And we have no reason to believe that he didn't do

00:36:26.100 that dutifully. He took any opportunity to further pursue his passions and interests. And so, yeah,

00:36:32.980 He was published in 1891, his sketches work, and in 1892, he writes himself,

00:36:40.200 I was then in my 14th year of life when I, after much asking, received permission from my father to accompany him and his party,

00:36:50.320 who were planning to visit the catacombs under St. Stephen's Cathedral in Vienna, which were at that time still in their original condition.

00:36:59.320 We climbed down, and everything I saw and felt excited me.

00:37:02.980 The kind of power that today I'm no longer able to experience.

00:37:07.000 Then we came, it was, if I remember correctly, to the third or fourth level, to a ruined altar.

00:37:14.340 The guide said that we were now situated beneath the old post office.

00:37:18.700 And at that point, my excitement was raised to a fever pitch.

00:37:21.880 And before this altar, I rang out loud the ceremonial vow.

00:37:26.200 Quote, whenever I get big, I will build a temple of Wotan, unquote.

00:37:31.120 I was, of course, laughed at.

00:37:32.520 as a few members of the party said, that a child should not belong in such a place.

00:37:37.380 I knew nothing more about Wotan than that which I had read about him.

00:37:43.880 So that was an interesting quote that I want everybody to kind of hold on to,

00:37:48.780 because it's going to kind of segue into Meister von List's position at Odinshof.

00:37:54.560 so from 1870 to 1877 this is when uh in the secret of the ruins of the violin there called

00:38:05.120 this uh stage of his life when he was the mystic wanderer he took many business trips that also

00:38:12.600 afforded his passion for hiking and mountaineering this seems to have been foundational for his early

00:38:17.940 mysticism while it was unclear what underlying mystical tradition he was most familiar with

00:38:23.680 Two things from this period are abundantly clear, that he embraced the idea of his native land as being sacred and the idea of nature also being sacred, which he referred to as the All-Mother.

00:38:36.920 This was probably motivated by his early passion for Germanic myth and lore.

00:38:45.160 His love for mountain nearing nearly cost him his life.

00:38:47.780 He was climbing a mountain in May of 1871 when ice gave way and he fell a considerable distance.

00:38:55.560 Afterwards, a safety rail and chain system was put in on that mountain, and it was named in his honor.

00:39:01.400 It was called the Guido Liststeig.

00:39:05.340 Around this time, he was also published in the New German Alpine Paper and became the editor of the yearbook for the Austrian Alpine Association and became a secretary of that organization.

00:39:15.500 While at this time he largely pursued a mystic or esoteric path, he would also occasionally perform impromptu group rituals, the most well-known being at the heathen gate in the Roman city of Carpenter.

00:39:29.340 I hope I'm saying that right.

00:39:31.840 It was at that same gate that he believed that a German army had marched through to conquer Rome in the year 375 CE.

00:39:39.900 Although his life was comfortable and somewhat self-divided, this all changed when his father

00:39:46.900 died in 1877. While Guido was still 29 years old, neither he nor his mother possessed the

00:39:54.300 same keen business sense that his father did, and this forced Guido to quit the business

00:39:59.480 and go into full-time writing for German and Austrian newspapers, many of which had

00:40:04.680 a pan-German nationalist leaning, and by all accounts, he was firmly in that same camp.

00:40:11.160 During this period, his mystical interests and practices began to take their form.

00:40:16.360 During these years, Meister von Liszt was writing his first full-length book,

00:40:20.760 which was a three-volume effort called Carnington, a historical novel based on his vision

00:40:26.520 of the cultural struggle between the German and Roman worlds.

00:40:30.440 carton was published in 1888 and was a huge success especially within the pan german

00:40:39.560 nationalists it caught the attention of influential political and economic leaders of the german

00:40:45.960 nationalist movement and he became involved with two important literary associations the iduna

00:40:52.520 which is named after the norse god of renewal and and youth and the free german society for

00:40:59.800 literature and this is the part of the story that most people should be familiar with in 1902 list

00:41:08.920 went under surgery for cataracts for 11 months his eyes were bandaged and it was in the darkness of

00:41:15.000 this virtual blindness that the secret of the ruins was revealed to him and this is where he

00:41:19.640 was uh he was shown what would become the arman and ruins 18 that uh also coincided with the uh

00:41:29.800 the 18 spells or songs that odin knows in the runatal which is found in the halloween and

00:41:37.160 there's some interesting personal connections to one of them i would like to share later

00:41:41.640 During this time, his understanding of the esoteric went through its final major synthesis.

00:41:50.760 He had published in 1903 an article about his interpretation of the swastika and the

00:41:56.200 triskelion and other Germanic stage symbols.

00:42:04.440 Between this time and 1908, he found the Guido von Liszt Society.

00:42:10.720 It was also around this time that he added the prefix of Von to his name, which in old

00:42:18.380 Germanic society denoted nobility.

00:42:22.100 In fact, I descend from a Dutch family called the Van Sickles, and the Van part indicates

00:42:29.460 that they were blue bloods of nobility.

00:42:31.000 The Sickle part of my family name is after the city of Secklen, which is located in northern

00:42:38.440 France.

00:42:40.440 anyway, a little personal note there. This is also the time that it seemed that

00:42:45.000 his occult wisdom flowed freely from the Meister's pen. At the founding of the

00:42:50.260 Guido von Liszt Society, he was supported by the Waniach family and many

00:42:56.400 leading figures in the German-Austrian politosphere, as well as other publishers

00:43:01.620 and those learned in occult studies. All of his occult research was published

00:43:07.140 during his lifetime from 1908 to 1914. the guido von list society was the

00:43:14.580 exoteric outlet for his ideas mainly in the form of his research findings

00:43:19.140 his work implied a deeper practical esoteric level

00:43:24.100 for the expression of his esoteric ideas he formed

00:43:27.300 the high armanin order which uh in german was uh

00:43:31.380 i'm gonna try this i don't speak german so it's gonna probably sound weird with

00:43:35.140 my dialect uh the horror armand and orton and they made uh pilgrimages to uh saint stephens in vienna

00:43:42.900 and carminton um mr von list meister von list passed away in uh 1990 and if uh

00:43:53.940 if anyone wants to dig any deeper into uh the secret of the runes which was uh

00:44:00.660 translated by dr flowers he goes into a lot of like interpretation work

00:44:06.900 of a maestro von list and uh you know ideology and reception and it even goes to like his

00:44:12.020 cosmological view of uh the cosmos i'm gonna jump real quick to something that i i find very

00:44:23.220 interesting um again matt you can shut me up if i'm getting if i'm starting to ramble too much

00:44:29.540 but the the tenth Arman and rune is called our and it means son primal fire

00:44:37.760 nobles etc beyond the tenth spell which Odin uses is as such I use the tent when

00:44:48.200 through the air fly ghostly writing women when I begin that magic they will

00:44:55.280 fair confused and form an effort so I fought with night terrors most of my

00:45:01.360 life and yeah just look into night terrors anyway so I feel like there's a

00:45:09.740 presence in the room and you know often felt like someone was sitting on my

00:45:15.000 chest difficult to breathe I think scientifically they call it sleep

00:45:18.800 paralysis but it's definitely um it's definitely feminine whatever it is and 0.83

00:45:24.740 and I've given myself over to the gods and around 2012 or 2013 when I first

00:45:32.360 discovered what I also true was and I remember saying a prayer under a large

00:45:37.280 oak tree in my backyard and I remember just giving myself over to the all-fine

00:45:41.120 around like no I don't know enough but my heart is open my mind is open and I'm

00:45:47.600 ready to receive your wisdom and I'm ready to dedicate my life to to to your

00:45:52.640 worship. And around that same time, and I wasn't paying attention to it, the night terror stopped.

00:46:00.260 And I joined the Austro Folk Assembly in 2018. And I was talking to another guy who was an AFA

00:46:06.020 member at the time that was actually pretty well versed in like a cult matters and was telling him

00:46:10.840 the same thing. I had these night terrors, you know, all my life. And when I gave myself over

00:46:15.340 to the gods, you know, somewhere around that point, they stopped. And that's when he told me

00:46:20.020 about the uh the tenth spell of uh the runatal and uh interestingly enough the uh it says ghostly

00:46:27.780 women in von liszt translation and in many translations it refers to them as witches

00:46:33.460 but the uh the the old norse of the icelandic term was a queen reader which literally means 0.98

00:46:39.300 fence rider and uh that is a common phrase used for night hags

00:46:44.740 and that's all i got i'm gonna kick it back over to matt

00:46:50.260 so you alluded to it earlier um well first thank you for that um secondly you alluded to it earlier

00:47:03.880 he made this vow as a child that when he grew up he was going to found a temple to open

00:47:13.140 um and

00:47:16.580 in so he didn't do that now he vowed this as a kid and it was an interesting story

00:47:26.240 but in a way he did something

00:47:30.100 that set into motion the current that allowed for that temple to odin to be built almost 100 years

00:47:40.980 after his death. 96 years after his death. So the reawakening of our folk soul, and people

00:47:59.540 can argue about when that officially dawned. But, you know, we like to talk about the foundation

00:48:08.740 of modern Ausitru being in 68, between 68 and 72. And in the shape similar to what we have now,

00:48:18.580 certainly, but the, you know, Stephen McNallan is the father of modern Ausitru, certainly.

00:48:30.500 But in a way, Meister Von List is the grandfather of modern Ausitru. He set these things into motion,

00:48:37.540 and he reawakened the folk soul of the Germanic folk to their history, their gods, their culture

00:48:47.500 that predated Christianity. And he rediscovered and repopulized, popularized rather, the usage

00:48:57.180 of the runes in a way that wasn't done esoterically in a very, very long time. Now, certainly there

00:49:04.360 were scholars that could read runic inscriptions in the younger Futhark and different things in

00:49:10.860 Scandinavia and in Germany. But the rediscovery of the meaning and the deep esoterics and the

00:49:19.380 relation to our gods and our faith was something that he put in motion. In the AFA, we believe

00:49:28.760 that we believe in a concept of posthumous ascension and the idea that actions that we as

00:49:37.520 the living do can elevate the dead beyond the levels they've already attained by spreading

00:49:43.540 their fame, by celebrating them, by doing things in their name. And it was really important to me

00:49:52.140 when we dedicated Odenshof to Odin that we set up Maestro von Liszt's altar there as a posthumous

00:50:05.400 fulfillment of that promise to be part of of erecting a temple to Odin. And so his

00:50:13.200 his altar now sits, you know, probably six feet away from the Odin altar and Odin mural

00:50:23.000 at Odin's Hof. Nick, do you have a picture of that?

00:50:32.780 So a picture, I bet you a picture will manifest here at some point in the broadcast,

00:50:37.920 ask but i know somebody was sending one on the side ah the answer is nope yes you do sierra

00:50:43.680 just sent you one so i'm sure nick will get that up at some point um it's really nice we had uh

00:50:50.960 kind of a rudimentary version of it earlier and an afa member out at the hof

00:50:59.040 put a lot of love into making the current version it's beautiful and it's very special to us

00:51:04.000 it's also interesting to consider the transition that was seen in in meister von liszt's lifetime

00:51:17.360 between a very traditional europe and a world that changed very dramatically he was born

00:51:25.920 and lived all but one year of his life under the Habsburg-Austro-Hungarian Empire and a very

00:51:39.160 traditional Germanic and European monarchy. And he saw his whole world change through the course

00:51:49.160 of the First World War. And I know that the loss of the, it'll come to me, it's bothering me that

00:52:02.620 the word escapes me now. Central powers in that conflict was devastating to him, but he saw a lot

00:52:10.740 of change in his lifetime. So it's kind of interesting to just reflect on that. So for those

00:52:18.320 who've been paying attention to the chat room and it'll be relevant here to those who maybe haven't

00:52:24.800 been we had a troll come in as we get from time to time

00:52:32.320 and it was remarked that you know sometimes it's fun to have trolls because it's hilarious

00:52:39.120 that's true but also sometimes it's fun because they'll ask questions that they might think are

00:52:45.280 damning but are beneficial to other people who are hearing it as the audience though that person

00:52:51.520 doesn't really care about my answer because they were clearly you know they had a had an agenda 0.94

00:52:56.880 there's others that may be curious and by answering some of the questions i have there we go

00:53:01.840 there's uh maestro von lis alter as it is at uh at othenshof anyways for those trolls that ask you

00:53:10.800 know useful questions we'll we'll make the best use of their questions um i say that to say this

00:53:18.720 i think they've got three in our queue right now so they've got the first one goes a little something

00:53:23.840 like this i've noticed a lot of people comfortable identifying as also true that reject volkish

00:53:30.960 ideology do you worry you're becoming irrelevant in the face of a new woke heathenry no yeah no not

00:53:40.160 at all um and the trolls later comments kind of illustrate this no because

00:53:52.720 folkish house of true is the only thing that exists in the real world certainly in the united

00:53:58.800 states um because of government subsidization in iceland they've got you know some woke things

00:54:07.440 going on over there that exist in the real world certainly here in the united states

00:54:12.640 that doesn't exist those groups come and go very very quickly and they don't do anything they exist

00:54:22.800 online um you know in the same way that you know a world of warcraft guild exists that's not real

00:54:31.840 that's a that's a hobby that you know people do for fun but as far as actual religions and that's

00:54:39.120 what we do and it's very different from what they do there's not there's not a comparison one of the

00:54:47.760 really good problems to have is the afa but something interesting that we've kind of

00:54:52.800 struggled with there was a time where there was a lot of different

00:54:57.120 also true organizations and they use that term retroactively you know we no longer like to think

00:55:08.940 of ourselves as an organization we're certainly organized but we're a church we're more than just

00:55:13.140 an organization but back in the in the 90s certainly in the early 2000s there was

00:55:20.120 you know a number of other people to compare what we do to and that's no longer really the case

00:55:26.640 There's nobody else that's doing what we're doing.

00:55:30.240 So I don't think we've become irrelevant over the last few years.

00:55:36.360 We now have four legitimate houses of worship for our gods.

00:55:42.140 And that's something that nobody else has anything we're close to.

00:55:46.360 So through those, we've built very unique and important relationships with the gods of those Hoffs.

00:55:58.420 We've also been impactful in the real world on those communities, helping to feed people and to be good neighbors.

00:56:04.740 We have Sigurheim, which both Witten Young and myself are going to move our families out to here relatively shortly.

00:56:15.660 um no we're doing real things and it's really there's no comparison between the two uh woke

00:56:25.620 heavenry is is internet nonsense and the people that tend to be attracted to that are

00:56:34.920 surfing through various edgelord things and they very often find themselves

00:56:41.160 you know, doing something completely different because it's not an authentic way to worship our

00:56:47.000 gods or to practice our faith. Um, yeah, the, the Volkish ideology or Volkish Ausatru,

00:56:55.480 it's, it's redundant to say because Ausatru is inherently Volkish. It always has been.

00:57:03.200 And as far as real world practice of Ausatru, it always will be.

00:57:08.740 Our next question is from the same the same troll.

00:57:13.740 I know I'm not also true. I'm Vanna true nor folkish.

00:57:18.740 They're half Filipino or associated.

00:57:22.740 I frequently dissociate.

00:57:27.740 But y'all are doing this for the public, right?

00:57:29.740 I can learn with you folk. So first, well-meaning people.

00:57:34.740 People, yeah, anybody's welcome to consume this podcast, to listen to it, to watch the video, and to come on and ask questions.

00:57:44.340 Like I said earlier, even the questions of somebody who's a troll on here can be useful for other people that may have similar questions.

00:57:51.940 And any well-meaning question, I mean, I'd love to have Christians, any other kind of folks come on here and ask serious questions because we're very happy to answer them.

00:58:04.740 And to go to a completely different person, we got our weekly, good evening, how are you gentlemen doing? I'm doing fantastic. Doing pretty good all around.

00:58:20.240 I am feeling, feeling old because I had a invitation only jujitsu black belt session this last Saturday.

00:58:31.740 And yes, I said Saturday. It's Wednesday and I'm sore and I'm still hurting and I'm still feeling it.

00:58:38.700 I can't find a position at night to sleep in that's comfortable. But honestly, I'm doing great.

00:58:43.920 I look forward to doing this every week and I'm able to be here and talk with you all fine people.

00:58:48.620 and one of my very best friends, Witten Daniels, so I'm doing all right. Daniel, how you doing?

00:58:54.780 I touched on earlier, and if I had to say it in a single word, it would be grateful. That's how I'm

00:58:59.960 going. There you go. I'm back to the troll. I think this is the last one, and this is one

00:59:08.780 that's important. I was actually thinking about this on the way home from the gym today.

00:59:11.700 uh what's the relative value proposition in joining the afa the troth is only 25 bucks a

00:59:20.600 year and they're great also wrong yeah first they're not great they're awful um

00:59:27.580 secondly and this is a little bit of semantics but they're important

00:59:35.100 very often people save value when they mean money and monetary

00:59:48.340 exchange like goods for goods and services for funds

00:59:53.500 there's not that's not what we're doing here this isn't a transactional thing

01:00:00.520 that's not how this is set up you are not buying something for your membership dues

01:00:06.520 your membership in the afa and this is why we've tried really hard to transition from a

01:00:12.280 membership dues model to a percentage giving model which is our hoff toller

01:00:17.480 for those of you that may not know in the past

01:00:22.920 three or four years the afa has been doing the hoff toller which is a minimum of one percent

01:00:29.560 now there's people that give you know i think the highest i've seen is 10 of their income

01:00:34.680 to the astro folk assembly but giving a percentage of your income is much more

01:00:39.560 donating to your church than paying a flat fee every month um it's how we've been set up since

01:00:48.280 you know since this was founded by i was harry goethe mcnalen back in 1995 and it's the way the

01:00:55.080 the lights still stay on, but we're very much trying to move towards that model so people get

01:01:01.260 that whole idea out of their head. You're not buying something for your membership dues.

01:01:06.360 You're donating to your church. You're donating to your gods. You're donating to us as stewards

01:01:12.380 of those funds for the gods in the trust that we will use those to further the mission of the AFA

01:01:20.380 and to further the worship and glorification of our gods and if you are looking at well what do

01:01:27.280 I get for my money certainly there is a value to it because our gods appreciate your gifts

01:01:35.020 those of us in the AFA who are part of the AFA family that you're joining appreciate your

01:01:42.900 participation in that, you get all kind of benefit in that sense. But in sense of what does the AFA

01:01:50.480 owe you for your 25 bucks or your 10 bucks? Absolutely nothing. If that's the way that you

01:01:55.440 want to look at it, please do not join. If that's the mindset, it's very wrongheaded. It's not what

01:02:01.480 we're doing here. We're engaged in worshiping the gods and doing things to glorify them and to

01:02:06.620 spread our faith, not to provide goods and services for money that's not, we're priests,

01:02:15.080 we're not merchants. And just to add further comment, our sitting also here in Argothie

01:02:23.020 does an amazing job of using those funds in the best way possible. He's continued to grow our

01:02:31.720 church uh by establishing more physical locations in which we gather for worship and he's done an

01:02:40.680 amazing job with that i mean they're not just existing they are also thriving well i appreciate

01:02:45.900 you saying so um and the trope of gay that's well and that's that's the other thing um if they even

01:02:59.840 exist do they that they exist anymore well so here's here's the thing existing

01:03:07.200 existing becomes esoteric when you deal with that subject because

01:03:12.400 i mean i think technically on paper somewhere uh they have virtual troth moots now that are a

01:03:20.960 rogues gallery of very unhealthy people physically and mentally um

01:03:29.840 um we had a there was a member that that kind of snuck into their their troth mood that they

01:03:39.920 had a few years back and it was it started out funny to see the just very 0.60

01:03:49.520 like glowing with mental illness people on the screen 0.52

01:03:56.700 but it very quickly moved from funny to just being very sad and tragic and so I think that 0.99

01:04:05.700 they exist in a way but I think they're very very unhealthy I don't believe they do things in real

01:04:10.360 life in any way and last I checked most of their high read which is their you know their leadership

01:04:19.380 are people who, and I use the term loosely, who are various other things and also claim

01:04:31.300 to be some form of heathen, Germanic, pagan, something along with their Wiccan high priestess 0.96

01:04:39.100 ship that they hold and their various other strange and degenerate things that they're 1.00

01:04:46.240 a part of. I think over 50% of their leadership is actively homosexual. I know that, you know, 1.00

01:04:55.780 last I checked, at least a quarter were not our folk. Yeah, it's a very, it's a very messed up 0.55

01:05:06.980 organization. And if, if the thought of being part of the, if you were trying to decide whether

01:05:11.700 to be in the AFA or the Trove, by all means, go join the Trove. If that's, if that's even a

01:05:16.740 question, if you see the both of us and you question, then this is clearly not the place

01:05:23.800 that you're ready to be. If you want to make changes and get involved in something better,

01:05:30.260 then we would love to have you as long as you're eligible for membership.

01:05:34.380 But what we do and what they do isn't remotely related.

01:05:41.700 the next question. First, I'm glad you're okay, Mr. Daniel. You made it to see your grandson's

01:05:52.280 birth. Why do you think it was Svon's hammer and not his philia that came to you in the hospital

01:06:00.620 Well, that conversation, or I'm sorry, that realization happened during my conversation with us on a day or two later, whenever we did, we did talk and we talked on the phone for two hours that day.

01:06:20.260 And, you know, I'm a mechanic.

01:06:24.840 I like to figure out how things work.

01:06:28.160 But there exists, beyond our understanding, forces that I don't think we'll ever quite fully understand.

01:06:38.360 And I actually brought that same question up.

01:06:40.600 You know, Spawn, do you think it could have been your field gear or maybe it was mine?

01:06:43.760 And it just, you know, appeared in the form of a familiar and dear friend.

01:06:50.260 And that very well could have been the case, but Svon's retort to whether or not it was Svon's filgia is that it's rare for a filgia to appear in the form of a living person, according to him.

01:07:03.060 And he is much more educated in that field than I am.

01:07:07.560 And I'm okay with not knowing what, not fully understanding.

01:07:11.300 What I do know is that I came away from it very comforted.

01:07:15.340 And through that, my family was also comforted.

01:07:18.440 and strange thing about this one i'm now i'm close to spawn but i'm not as close to spawn as i am to

01:07:27.140 some other people uh i look up to spawn in almost like a big brother way even though he's only a

01:07:35.540 couple months older than i am but i look up to him uh on a personal level and on and and a priestly

01:07:43.060 level like if if they had asked me if i wanted a priest to come and perform rites you know for me

01:07:50.740 because i was going to die uh if i were pressed you know of course i would say matt's my priest

01:07:57.860 but on the like more local or regional level uh spawn has filled that role for me and my family

01:08:03.780 for a very long time since, you know, since we rejoined the AFA in 20 years on my primary

01:08:13.820 spiritual contact on this coast.

01:08:16.240 And it was, like I said, there are people that I'm closer to that weren't there at my

01:08:24.160 bedside, but I found it weird in the proper sense of the word that it was, you know, a

01:08:31.280 guy that I look up to.

01:08:32.280 He's our teacher.

01:08:33.120 he's our mentor and uh he's a guy that all of us look up to including the other big guy on the

01:08:39.600 screen we all look up and uh whatever the real explanation is i may never know and i'm okay

01:08:47.280 with that but i'm okay with what i do know about it yeah it's really um

01:08:55.360 Um, when we try to bottle deep esoterics into clean boxes, and I've said this before, I've

01:09:17.520 lamented this a lot on here, that words escape some of it.

01:09:21.600 it doesn't it's not quite that clean you know i think that a lot of people their go-to to

01:09:27.920 understand it would be to call it to fill you um the hammer or the skin or the shape

01:09:36.880 is different but connected i think that both of them are seen

01:09:44.880 as representative of the person in a way the field yet seems to be very attached

01:09:55.800 to the person itself and i think is less often sent out whereas the projected cell for the hammer

01:10:06.180 is more sent out and especially this was a direct projection of Svan and not you know an animal

01:10:16.640 representation of or something else I think it lends it more to the description of the hammer

01:10:22.780 but in either case I think that you know and I think it's important I think it's a very valuable

01:10:28.280 question he asked but the important takeaway

01:10:35.960 is that i do believe that a piece of swan's soul without swan's knowing went out to help

01:10:43.240 his friend and colleague in a time of need because we build those very very strong connections

01:10:52.440 amongst one another and spawn is particularly advanced spiritually so i i think that's a

01:11:04.280 i think it is really trust me when i say this i do this i think on these things all the time

01:11:10.440 i think pondering them and trying to understand them better is a really important and a wonderful

01:11:16.520 thing. What is also wonderful and needs to not be lost is the just state of wonder and amazement

01:11:27.240 at the majesty of metaphysical happenings that we witness as our faith, as our relationship

01:11:36.460 with the gods, and as our own spiritual prowess increases. Being able to experience and see these

01:11:42.620 things yes we should try to think on them and understand them better but just appreciating the

01:11:51.340 amazement of witnessing them and experiencing them is also really important

01:12:00.700 our next question long question about the armanin the rune songs in the have them all

01:12:08.140 are 18 and the old room calendar had 19 rooms but the younger futhark has 16.

01:12:16.940 do you think the have them all is referring to the calendar daniel what do you think

01:12:24.780 i don't i i i don't i don't really have an answer for that i i sort of touched on it

01:12:31.980 we were talking about the uh philia and the hammer there there are some things that are just uh

01:12:38.460 not knowable i think uh some things exist in a on a plane that's beyond our understanding

01:12:44.940 and i want i want people to keep in mind too because when it comes to runic study when it

01:12:50.620 comes to uh the esoteric keep in mind what the meaning of the word rune is and the meaning of the

01:12:57.020 mean the meaning of the word rune is secret or it's a whisper and keep in mind what esotericism

01:13:05.740 means that literally means hidden knowledge so i i don't know if it's for everybody to know

01:13:11.900 i am certain that all sierra go through will have a much more eloquent answer than i do

01:13:16.460 but that's my take on it

01:13:22.380 all right uh have either of you read any works by the meister and do you have any recommendations

01:13:32.160 on what additions to get uh if you read a physical copy daniel yes um i haven't i haven't

01:13:41.700 read extensively on the meister um the guy that was supposed to be here but couldn't

01:13:47.400 is uh dothi rob stam that's who i'm filling in for and he is very well read on the meister and

01:13:54.040 the meister's work and he recommended this book too can you see that okay

01:13:59.960 is that showing up all right matt where you can read yes okay so he recommended that book too

01:14:05.400 uh the religion of the aero-germanic folks the esoteric and the exoteric and i dove into that

01:14:10.440 and it was so much more advanced than what i was prepared for uh i often compared trying to read

01:14:20.480 evola's ride the tiger like right off the bat without reading any of his other work

01:14:24.180 uh so what rob recommended to me was this secret of the runes which is uh where i got the bio from

01:14:33.040 uh that i use early on in this uh podcast and it's much more of like the foundational and

01:14:39.740 the basics of Armand and study. Now, I know

01:14:44.280 there's much more stuff, but those are the two that I have on hand. I know

01:14:48.200 Gauthier Stamm has like an ultra-rare physical

01:14:52.060 copy of the Meister's biography, and I'm not even sure what that's called.

01:14:57.220 But from what I understand it, it's very telling as well.

01:15:01.880 How about you, Matt?

01:15:04.460 So I'm going to talk. Hold on one second, though.

01:15:07.680 i'm assuming you guys can still hear me yes i have i have only read the two that you mentioned

01:15:19.520 um the religion of the aereo germanic folk and the secret of the runes on the secret of the runes i

01:15:28.000 would not aware of other sources you can get it outside of the german um than dr flowers but i

01:15:34.800 would absolutely recommend Dr. Flowers' translation of it. Sorry, guys, I'm looking for a book.

01:15:46.560 It is related to what we're doing. I'm not just, you know, off doing something strange.

01:15:54.400 Yeah, one sec. Almost there, guys.

01:15:57.540 all right i'm back i would encourage everybody to get this it's a little bit expensive but the

01:16:08.380 people who put the time and the effort to make it it is it is valuable you should get it it's

01:16:13.140 beautiful edition it comes with some cool stuff for those of you who are not looking at the screen

01:16:23.840 who are watching this on, or who are listening, sorry, who are listening to this on the podcast

01:16:32.200 version, Eckhard Lintha, Votan's Awakening, The Life and Times of Guido von List. It's a really

01:16:43.460 well done book. It's got a bunch of appendices and stuff. I'm trying to see about how many pages

01:16:53.580 it is here of actual biography but for somebody as obscure as the meister i think this is a

01:17:02.460 a really nice thing to have um it's about 250 page book and like i said it's really nice and

01:17:11.980 i would encourage everybody to get that if they'd like to learn a little bit more

01:17:16.220 also i neglected to answer the last excuse me last question

01:17:21.180 no i don't think it's about the calendar i think it's literally referring to

01:17:26.700 the army and runes and i think that that's

01:17:30.300 i think that that that's shown and i think that

01:17:39.020 it wasn't just a really smart epiphany that meister von list had i think this was

01:17:45.640 a communication from beyond the veil from the all-father to reignite runic knowledge amongst

01:17:53.080 our folk by bestowing the armen and runes upon meister von liszt and i i don't think it's any

01:18:02.040 other mundane explanation besides that oh and the other thing so daniel mentioned that reading that

01:18:13.880 book was he was he just jumped in the deep end a little bit over his head and that was

01:18:18.680 it's the case with me for a very long time i tried to read von liszt early on and

01:18:26.200 the language the

01:18:31.400 i didn't have the context i didn't have the touchstones that he was calling on and i didn't

01:18:35.960 have the depth of knowledge to go into it so i mean i i was like this is useless this is crazy

01:18:43.480 this is nonsense i and that's very much how it was when i was trying to read that stuff in like 2003

01:18:49.240 2004 but i came back to it about 10 years later and a lot of it was very profound

01:18:57.000 um something else that i think you know now's as good a time to mention as any but i don't

01:19:04.440 I don't, I don't, I don't follow Meister Von List's armonism. I think a lot of it is

01:19:16.400 not accurate or not correct. I think a lot of it is informed by time and place. And I think that

01:19:23.760 we've evolved and grown in a, in a different way from a lot of those things. But I think there's

01:19:31.360 lot of valuable things there to be, to learn, to study, and then to integrate into what we do now.

01:19:39.680 I don't pretend that we are currently practicing the same thing that Meister Von List practiced,

01:19:46.480 but I do believe that if he were here now, seeing what we were doing,

01:19:53.120 I believe he would approve, I hope he would approve.

01:19:55.440 and I hope we'd get it in the same way I think that as we establish these Hoffs and as we grow

01:20:04.840 closer and closer to our gods what we do now will continue to evolve to a more and more

01:20:11.120 perfect way of practicing our faith and interfacing with our gods and I hope that

01:20:18.360 you know, when I'm looking on at my descendants a hundred years from now, hopefully they are closer

01:20:26.260 to the best way of doing things than we are now. And I, I look forward to that and I, and I hope

01:20:31.660 that they do that. I hope they succeed in that way. But like Daniel said, he, it's funny, he

01:20:36.500 mentioned ride the tiger. I felt the exact same way about Evola. Everybody's talking about Evola.

01:20:42.060 And so I'm like, all right, I'll jump in where to start. I don't know. Ride the tiger. It sounds

01:20:45.760 it's cool. It's a line in a Dio song. That's awesome. And I tried to do it and I jumped in

01:20:50.760 and man, I jumped in the deep end. I couldn't swim. I put it down, didn't pick it back up for

01:20:55.500 a few years. And now again, I don't agree with everything that, that, uh, Evola has to say about

01:21:02.840 stuff, but I think that he has shown light on things in a different way than I'd ever be able

01:21:09.920 to see him before and he's you know greatly helped my development as as a person as a leader and as

01:21:19.000 an also true are in his way and i've read everything that i can get my hands on by julius

01:21:24.100 so it some of these things you have to read them at the right time in your life where you have the

01:21:28.680 context and you know it's like once you have that context you have the secret key to unlock

01:21:34.520 things that you couldn't unlock previously. I think a lot of it, too, is dependent on the

01:21:40.400 foundation on which you're trying to build. If you don't have a solid foundation, a foundation

01:21:45.080 of knowledge, then trying to go straight to putting up gables when you haven't installed

01:21:50.160 the logs doesn't make sense. Very much wanted to also jump in where Matt was talking about

01:21:57.700 if the maister saw how he did things, he would approve. I think it'd also be something he'd

01:22:02.400 sort of recognized, because Alcatraz, since its inception, has to evolve to the needs of the

01:22:09.360 people and their relationship with the gods as it continues to evolve and improve.

01:22:25.660 Just looking at some of our questions and making sure we're getting all the questions out of the

01:22:29.380 chat room because it is important and i want to make sure we're answering everybody's uh next

01:22:35.260 question is it appropriate to get tattoos of the gods like an odin tattoo for example

01:22:40.860 yes as a short answer but i would say when you're doing anything that involves our gods

01:22:54.940 piety should always be at the forefront of your mind. If the idea of the tattoo is it's devotional

01:23:02.240 and it's an act of devotion to the all father, then by all means, get, get a really cool Odin

01:23:07.700 tattoo. If the idea is like, yo dog, check out my Odin tattoo. This is bomb, yo, then probably not.

01:23:15.220 Probably it's not, that's not the thing you should do. If it's done with the right mindset and you're

01:23:21.740 the right heart when you're doing it then absolutely i think that's a nice tribute to do

01:23:25.660 just like people will get you know tattoos of of their parents of their one of their

01:23:30.940 ancestors or of their children i think it's a it's a special thing to do if that's that's

01:23:35.660 what you'd like to do when you're into tattoos but any depiction of our god should be done with

01:23:41.820 with piety and with uh with respect let's say you daniel i i can't really add much to it um

01:23:49.740 that it should be done with reverent devotion in mind um i have one tattoo and it is an ancient

01:23:56.140 germanic symbol and it is closest to my heart and it is there because it's a reminder of what i'm

01:24:03.100 doing all this for you know the 12 spoke wheel uh also known as the black sun i have that tattooed

01:24:11.260 on and uh i try to keep it close to me because that because this is what matters to me this is

01:24:18.140 as important to me as, as it is to be a husband or a father or grandfather or brother and all

01:24:24.440 those things. So I think if you, if you treat it with the right respect, um, sure. I don't have,

01:24:30.280 I mean, I have no issues with that whatsoever. Uh, a lot of our guys have, you know, tattoos

01:24:36.920 of the gods themselves on them. And I think they were done in a very pious and reverent way.

01:24:43.260 Um,

01:24:43.620 Our next question is from Goethe Plurred.

01:24:52.900 Very happy to hear Whitten Young is on the rebound.

01:24:59.180 But I have to ask the question everyone wants to know.

01:25:03.760 When is your and Matt's cage match?

01:25:09.940 Jason, you don't want me to kill this man. 0.95

01:25:12.340 Come on.

01:25:14.260 He just told you how thankful and grateful he is for his life.

01:25:18.440 Why would you want me to take that from him?

01:25:22.960 As soon as he's ready, I'm ready.

01:25:26.800 Pause.

01:25:27.560 As soon as I'm ready.

01:25:30.140 I was going to say, you better eat your Wheaties.

01:25:32.040 I'm game whenever you want.

01:25:33.900 Yeah.

01:25:34.780 It's going to happen sooner or later. 1.00

01:25:36.680 No, we need midgets and cheerleaders. 1.00

01:25:38.640 We need some other things to keep people entertained because the match is going to be real quick. 0.93

01:25:43.620 Real Madrid fan, could one pay every few months instead of every month? Instead of paying $10

01:25:53.600 every month, could one pay something like $30 for three months? First, yes. I want to say this,

01:26:03.200 and I'm not sure if, again, I never know exactly when these questions come in the point of our

01:26:09.340 conversation. I'm assuming this is when we were talking about the Hofftoler. Hofftoler is, and

01:26:16.160 again, we take this on the honor system. It's at least 1% of your overall income, if not more.

01:26:24.420 If that comes out to $10, okay. I mean, I would suggest you get some more gainful employment

01:26:31.900 just for your own sake, if that's the case. But if that's where it's at, fine. But here's the thing.

01:26:39.340 none of us are doing this for the money. It's not about the money, as all of us are uncomfortable

01:26:47.840 asking for money or hassling members for dues. It's not what any of us want to do.

01:26:55.240 And I say that I spent a lot of years as a folk builder, and nobody likes to do that.

01:27:02.960 So what we have to do to have nice things and to move forward, and it's not wrong,

01:27:07.420 But none of us want to be that guy. That's not what we're out to do. So the answer is yes.

01:27:11.860 Whatever you want. Yes, we will. We will make it work, especially with the Hofftoler.

01:27:18.680 There's people that pay Hofftoler monthly. There's people that pay it by like twice a month.

01:27:23.140 There's people that pay it quarterly. There's people that pay it yearly.

01:27:28.960 Yeah, it's not about trying to fleece anybody or trying to, you know, send people for your kneecaps if we don't get paid.

01:27:35.940 that's not what it is and we're really happy to make that work however it's going to work for

01:27:39.620 you and your family be that just the standard membership dues or the hoftoller however you'd

01:27:45.060 like to however is going to make it work we'll make that work with you um obsidian skull question

01:27:59.460 what is your take on the arm and in ruins i've never been really convinced of widow von list's

01:28:04.740 work. Daniel, what are your thoughts first? Well, I think a lot of people dismiss the

01:28:12.980 armor and runes being revealed to him because it, you know, happened in relative proximity to

01:28:20.540 the time we live in now. I think had this been revealed to a Viking on a long ship,

01:28:29.120 we wouldn't question it. So, you know, how much do I, you know, believe it? Yeah, I 100% believe

01:28:34.960 it. And I think, I think the fact that he's, you know, not terribly distanced from us on the

01:28:41.780 spectrum of time, I think is why a lot of people struggle with it. And I certainly think that

01:28:45.840 that's understandable why people would think that way. But our, our faith is not just an,

01:28:53.880 And I hear this all the time. You know, I'm connected to the old gods or the old faith.

01:28:59.300 It's not old or, you know, it's old in the concept of our concept of time.

01:29:04.580 But I don't think it's something that's so distant from us that, you know, it can't be practiced in a modern way.

01:29:11.320 And I certainly think that was the case with Meister von List.

01:29:14.540 I think had he been a Viking, I doubt we'd even have these questions.

01:29:19.380 so

01:29:21.940 yes absolutely yes everything daniel said yes we fetishize really really old things

01:29:32.420 and i think we take certain things for granted but i don't think we

01:29:36.600 we really play them out in our heads

01:29:40.820 every innovation in our faith happened because some guy somewhere decided this is this and that's

01:29:51.900 that and like daniel said if it was some viking dude in the way back then we would all ooh and

01:30:00.840 ah over it and talk about how profound it is but when it's some someone more you know close to our

01:30:07.980 time, then we become immediately much more distrustful of it. I think that's natural. I

01:30:14.700 think we all have that tendency in us. But, you know, play that out in your head. In our ancestors

01:30:22.760 day, at what point did Odin ride down on Sleipnir and go up to some ancient Gothi or ancient

01:30:32.280 vidki and hand him a bag of carved sticks and said here you go here's the runes i don't think

01:30:40.200 any of us seriously think that that event ever happened exactly like that what probably happened

01:30:48.040 was learned spiritually devoted ancestors of ours gothar of their day

01:30:55.560 had inspiration had a vision had a dream went through some kind of trial went through some

01:31:04.480 kind of you know hardship in their life and emerged from it like hey there's you know i've

01:31:10.140 got this idea i i have this thing in my mind that i've got to get out

01:31:14.240 But if you took, you know, Viking guy or shoot caveman guy from from that, and all of a sudden something happened and he wakes up and he can't see for a year.

01:31:32.240 And then miraculously, he can see again.

01:31:35.160 And he says, hey, and when I was blind, the gods gave me this this thing.

01:31:40.340 Let me show you.

01:31:41.220 So we would now ooh and ah over it. Just because it happened 100 years ago doesn't make it any less legitimate than something that happened 1,000 years ago or 10,000 years ago.

01:31:55.900 And so I very much, very strongly believe in Meister von List and his runic visions.

01:32:03.460 Like I said, his speculations about what ancient Germanic religious practice was like are just not accurate.

01:32:13.980 A lot of his understandings were incomplete.

01:32:16.540 He was working with information that's very much incomplete compared to ours today.

01:32:22.360 As I really hope in the future, we have even a more complete set of information.

01:32:27.160 I mean, we have fragments now, but his spiritual understanding of those runes and their relationship to the runatal that stood the test of time, it sparked the runic reawakening.

01:32:43.620 I really doubt that Svan and I would every other week be having shows about the runes right now if Meister von List hadn't received that vision from the Allfather and started that into motion.

01:32:54.640 Up until the 1980s, the Arminen runes were the runes that anyone practiced.

01:33:03.320 Dr. Flowers, who is responsible for, you know, 90 some percent of our modern runic practice,

01:33:11.420 he was originally going to write his Futhark book about the Arminen runes until well into

01:33:16.740 the writing process, he became familiar with the Elder Futhark and chose to go that route.

01:33:23.300 But the Arminen runes are what awoke our folk to the runes, to their heritage, and what esoteric runology was entirely based upon until, like I said, the 1980s.

01:33:37.300 um patricia hall the githya that we've talked about that performed that really powerful dsir

01:33:46.880 bloke some a woman that i am completely you know in awe of and look up to spiritually

01:33:53.380 she was taught the armen and ruins by her grandfather who was was born in germany

01:34:02.080 in the way back, and she, you know, she's probably well into her 70s today, and so her grandfather

01:34:14.000 was, you know, a contemporary, his life probably overlapped with Meister von List, and those rooms

01:34:20.220 were carved subtly into, you know, the underside and the joints that weren't exposed of her crib

01:34:27.820 and something that was practiced in her home and that set her on this path and so, so many people.

01:34:35.780 So I absolutely believe in the power of Von List, his vision of the runes. I think that's

01:34:42.300 absolutely legitimate. And again, I was like you, I thought it was BS at first too, because like I

01:34:48.000 said, I wasn't ready for it. Sometimes when we think things are completely nuts, it's because

01:34:53.720 we're not ready to fully understand them yet i found that a number of times in my life

01:34:59.800 i think a lot of times the things we think are nuts are actually nuts but there is uh there's

01:35:04.840 exceptions and meister von list and his his room work is certainly one of those in my own life

01:35:11.560 i think we can also draw parallels too that uh you know modern houses would we be where

01:35:16.600 we're at with not if not for the inspiration that uh our founder father stephen mcnalen had

01:35:21.960 from using himself you know that's something i ponder and who's to say yeah you know i think

01:35:27.960 that our gods if they tried with someone and it didn't work hopefully they would keep trying until

01:35:35.080 it did right um would it look the same way it does i don't know would we be as far along as we are

01:35:43.880 Probably not. I think that it's a combination of very, very special men and our gods recognizing. Again, I come back to this cheesy New Age namaste thing, but the idea of the divine element in a person recognizing the divine element in another person is really at the core of a lot of this.

01:36:10.880 our gods recognizing something special in the souls of men that they have looked favorably

01:36:18.180 upon to be our heroes and to inspire and to give their blessings to that combination

01:36:26.080 is what's brought us to where we are and what's going to bring us to really beautiful places in

01:36:32.880 future uh next question i tried to buy the spear by mcnallen but the site didn't work fully

01:36:43.840 couldn't choose the state where i can buy the book that will work uh i couldn't choose

01:36:51.200 couldn't choose state where can i buy the where can i buy this book that will work

01:36:55.680 i don't know steve's website and that's all run separately i talked to sheila about getting the

01:37:04.160 spear on our site the way they're doing their publishing

01:37:08.820 and i don't want to over speak and i don't know all the details on it but the way they're doing

01:37:16.980 their publishing i would love to carry it on our site and i think that we will end up doing that

01:37:22.600 we're just trying to figure out the way that's going to benefit Steve the most. If Steve makes

01:37:29.020 more money off of it, everyone just buying from his site, then we will just push all the traffic

01:37:35.360 there. I want him to have the maximum benefit for his work and the book that he's written.

01:37:43.260 If it will benefit him economically for us to sell it as well, we would love to. Absolutely.

01:37:48.840 So we'll see where that goes. I would imagine it'll be on our store shortly. I also imagine

01:37:54.180 anything on their site will get fixed. We will certainly pass on your, you know, mentioning

01:38:01.280 that that's not working and hopefully they can get that fixed on the back end. Okay. So

01:38:10.000 mattflavell at runestone.org. If you don't get this figured out, bug me on there and I'll make

01:38:17.820 sure you get taken care of and it gets figured out for you, okay? Next question.

01:38:32.440 Okay, so similar to the question that we've answered, but I think it's worth restating.

01:38:36.940 Question. Are we to really take Guido von List seriously? It would seem that these runes were

01:38:43.860 revealed to him which strikes me as odd

01:38:47.340 it would

01:38:49.980 it used to strike me as odd as well

01:38:55.720 so when I got involved in Alcitru

01:39:00.780 I you know was super barbarian viking man and that's super cool and I was young and

01:39:10.700 we just need to do barbarian Viking things. And I grew up pretty quickly with that,

01:39:19.080 maybe quicker than some others. But I think we've all been there. And I'm not claiming you're there

01:39:24.520 now. I don't know exactly where you're at coming at it. But that's where I was when I thought it

01:39:29.640 sounded hokey too. After having experienced the metaphysical in my own life and seen it manifest

01:39:41.740 in my own life in ways, sitting where I sit, I absolutely believe in it. And I absolutely

01:39:49.860 believe that's a thing. Having delved into the esoteric, and when I say this, specifically his

01:40:00.080 runes, I can't vouch for a lot of his other interpretations on things. Some of them are just

01:40:06.040 wrong. Some of them I'm just not wrapping my head around yet. But when it comes to the relationship

01:40:13.700 between the Armin and Runes and the Runatal, in my spiritual endeavors, those have proved out

01:40:20.760 to be valuable and truthful. Again, if a miracle happens to someone in ancient times and we read

01:40:35.880 about it, it's so much easier for us to just accept it and ooh and ah over it and think it's

01:40:41.440 amazing. If it happens to one of our contemporaries or somebody who lived close to our

01:40:46.360 contemporaries, it's much harder for us to compare the mundane that we know with the sacred that

01:40:57.320 they say is happening and make those two match up in our heads. It's like ghosts. A lot of people

01:41:04.700 will believe in ghosts like hey a ghost turned this light on sure i believe that but at what

01:41:12.940 point do you envision the ghost actually reaching out and moving the switch to turn the light on

01:41:20.220 the idea of the physics of it happening sounds silly but the basic premise isn't until we examine

01:41:27.100 it closely and i think when we examine hey this guy is just a guy like me and then this thing

01:41:35.180 happened to him it's easier to dismiss than if it's some exalted hero in our past that we don't

01:41:44.620 see and hear and smell and like associate hey i could be like that guy and i think that's just

01:41:51.340 just something that's natural to the human condition. But yes, we are absolutely supposed

01:41:56.720 to take Meister Von List seriously. If we didn't take him seriously, we wouldn't honor him with

01:42:01.920 a day of remembrance. We wouldn't have an altar to him at Odenshof. And we wouldn't be doing this

01:42:07.680 episode that we're doing today. But he wouldn't continue to inspire our founder to this very

01:42:13.520 that Mr. McNallan is very much inspired by the Meister's work.

01:42:25.620 All right.

01:42:26.600 So when I kill my camera, you're supposed to expound with voluminous volumes of things

01:42:33.020 so that I can take a bathroom break.

01:42:34.920 But that's not to be right now.

01:42:36.380 That's okay.

01:42:36.940 As a matter of fact, I have the same issue.

01:42:39.500 but um i would talk about stuff if i'm the only picture on here i would i would relate stories

01:42:45.820 about random i don't know what i saw pass and he didn't catch it but that's okay it's all good

01:42:52.620 it's all good so next question and uh when this gets rolling i think it will go take a break for

01:42:59.740 a second what if a person was very universalist anti-white degenerate part of some universalist

01:43:08.380 group, but then changed their mind and became Folkage. Would they be allowed to join the AFA?

01:43:14.380 Absolutely. And we've had a lot of people that way.

01:43:19.980 Now, you said absolutely. That's not quite an absolute. Well, that's, that's, that's why I'm

01:43:26.820 still talking and didn't just drop the mic because there are a couple of things that need to be

01:43:30.980 qualified on it. First, we would want to have reason to believe that their rethinking things

01:43:44.900 was authentic and not just a ploy to, I don't know, troll us or whatever. So we'd want to have

01:43:53.240 some kind of discussion to where that was explained in a way that made sense.

01:43:58.240 But we have a lot of people that come around and we live in a time.

01:44:02.820 This is very hard for some of us, certainly the older we get to see.

01:44:09.000 Kids today, if you are.

01:44:12.440 If you are 20 and you want to join the AFA, but you've been super woke for your teenage years.

01:44:21.600 Unfortunately, I think that's probably very common amongst our young people.

01:44:25.700 They are bombarded literally since the day of their birth with messages that try to lead them away from what's right, good and noble.

01:44:38.100 So we're going to get a lot of folks that have seen and been involved with the other side of things and that life has red-pilled, for lack of a better term.

01:44:50.340 And I think that happens a lot.

01:44:51.960 it depends on whether or not they have burnt the ships if they have taken steps that remove them

01:45:03.660 from the ability to rejoin us that's very unfortunate but for the good of the community

01:45:08.860 they would not be allowed on some things 1.00

01:45:12.680 if they you know if they have a bunch of kids that are of mixed race 1.00

01:45:21.380 they wouldn't be allowed to join the afa if they 0.96

01:45:25.820 were young men that chose to be homosexuals and then they regret it and want to not be 0.98

01:45:35.800 we wouldn't allow those people into the australia folk assembly um 0.95

01:45:40.920 you know some of those things with the sex changes and stuff to that degree are just going to make

01:45:48.760 that not a possibility. If it's just a matter of ideology and they finally, you know, got their

01:45:56.020 head right because they grew up and saw how life was, we welcome those people. And we have a lot

01:46:00.920 of those people that have joined the AFA and really grown with us. And we want to bring all

01:46:09.380 our folk home, all of them that are eligible to come home. We want to bring those people in.

01:46:15.140 And we look forward to all of these people that have been led astray by the woke nonsense out there.

01:46:21.540 We want that light bulb to go off and for them to come back home, assuming they haven't already crossed lines that they can't uncross.

01:46:31.920 So, yes, those people would be allowed in with with a few exceptions.

01:46:37.080 What are your thoughts on that, Daniel?

01:46:39.640 Well, that's the thing. I think Matt touched on it much more eloquently than I can.

01:46:43.860 that assuming all things are equal and and to be clear in the austral folk assembly we don't

01:46:48.500 believe in equality a lot of these things be taken by at a case-by-case basis um you know

01:46:56.260 matt gave some uh some examples that are uh pretty poignant but i think i think matt touched on

01:47:04.660 something about the um you know if someone in their 20s were woke and decided to turn this uh

01:47:11.300 turn their lives around woke to a 20 year old now versus woke when i was in my 20s is two very

01:47:17.620 different things um well i grew up in the rural south i've always been aware of differences

01:47:24.100 between different peoples uh culturally and otherwise uh but in the past as i understand it

01:47:33.140 uh universalist also true um existed more like a there was kind of a live and let live ideology

01:47:44.820 and as the woke ideology has has accelerated into into more degeneracy uh there's been a much bigger

01:47:53.140 gulf between the two ideas um so in the past it was the universalist would just accept someone 0.61

01:48:02.740 who happened to be a African tranny alien Viking, now it's almost encouraged that they be a trans 0.60

01:48:10.900 African alien Viking and that they're celebrating as heroes. And to touch on the homosexual question, 0.97

01:48:18.180 particularly when it comes to men, I think it needs to be stated that a lot of that happens

01:48:25.860 as a result of abuse, and that can sometimes devolve into a mental illness that, you know,

01:48:37.800 we certainly can't cure, and once that abuse happens and a man turns that way, 0.86

01:48:43.820 it's more often male homosexuals that become predatory rather than females. 0.96

01:48:50.340 So, unfortunately, I don't want to make it silly, but it's self-replicating, the homosexual thing in men very often. 0.96

01:49:20.340 The homosexuals that I've known in my life that are open and honest enough with me to have that conversation, it's been pretty much 100% that they trace, that they were victims of homosexual sexual molestation as children. 0.83

01:49:45.880 um if that has happened to the point where they have chosen to make that a lifestyle 0.71

01:49:54.440 that is a strange thing about that type of trauma but it it's self-replicating

01:50:05.240 um and it's passed on by the people who were once victims they very often victimize uh victimize

01:50:13.800 others. And I don't claim that every male homosexual is going to molest kids. I don't 0.86

01:50:24.320 pretend that's the case. But the odds of them doing it is astronomically higher than anyone

01:50:31.960 else. And it is so high that we can't have them around our children. And that's just

01:50:38.160 kind of the truth of a very unfortunate situation um looking at our questions here and you guys have

01:50:47.360 had some good questions tonight i appreciate that is stephen flowers folkish i hear some say he's

01:50:55.920 folkish uh and he even translated some of guido's books but he was one of the founders of the troth

01:51:03.680 which is universalist so a couple couple things

01:51:12.960 no uh dr flowers is not folkish

01:51:18.960 but he's

01:51:22.880 my understanding and he and i aren't aren't buddies like we don't communicate that way but of the

01:51:30.240 things that i've read and of my understanding and my talks with people who do know him he's not woke

01:51:35.760 either um originally when the troth was founded and i this is an important point too and i something

01:51:44.240 i want to talk about and it kind of leaves us leads us outside of the the realm of this question

01:51:48.960 But. No, originally, the troth wasn't this super woke, universalist engine of degeneracy that it is now. 0.51

01:52:03.160 When it was founded, it was for more of an esoteric and a scholarly practice of Alcetru.

01:52:10.220 It was OK. So history, when the Alcetru Free Assembly, that was Steve McNallan's organization that he founded.

01:52:17.860 When he dissolved the Austro Free Assembly and took his walk in Midgard to collect himself, that Free Assembly broke into two groups.

01:52:35.540 The Ausatru Alliance, which was very folkish and all about ritual and group practice, whereas the Troth, the Ring of Troth at the time, was Edred's group for esoterics and more of a scholarly think tank kind of approach to things.

01:52:58.600 Now, very, you know, very rapidly, because both of those organizations were democratic in their organization. So democracy has a tendency to devolve things very quickly and to radically move them away from what their foundational points were.

01:53:19.440 So very quickly, Edred and those he founded the Ring of Troth with were voted out of the Ring of Troth and kicked out of the organization they founded.

01:53:30.220 And from that point until today, they have almost been in a competition with one another to see how how woke they can be.

01:53:42.640 And those of you that may have witnessed this in the world around us, you can never be woke enough.

01:53:50.860 So they constantly are eating each other because they're not quite as all encompassing in their wokeness as the guy next to them.

01:54:00.220 And that cycle has continued and ramped up their intensity over the last 30 years. 0.52

01:54:06.040 but no when i'll say that dr flowers isn't focused he gets that a lot of our faith is ethnic

01:54:14.340 and that most of the people who should practice house the true are are ethnically white people

01:54:20.880 and he gets that he just doesn't draw a hard line on it like the rest of us might

01:54:27.340 But yeah, he understands the Volkish movement. He understands Volkish Ausatru. The Ausatru Free

01:54:40.440 Assembly was certainly a Volkish organization, which he was a part of, in which he actually

01:54:44.500 received his Gothic ordination from Steve McNallan in the Ausatru Free Assembly.

01:54:54.180 Now, over time, he's had a lot of different events in his life and things he's been involved in. 0.98

01:55:00.880 And I certainly don't hold him up as some kind of great folkish icon, but he's certainly not as woke as the troth. 0.99

01:55:09.420 You know, he's nowhere near what the troth is. 0.99

01:55:12.340 You have anything to add on that? 1.00

01:55:14.960 Not really. I think you put it pretty well and you covered everything that I'm aware of.

01:55:20.600 Like you, I don't know Dr. Flowers.

01:55:24.920 I've exchanged a few messages with him through social media before we all got the boot a couple of years back.

01:55:32.620 Anything that he's done outside of his runic academics, I don't put any stock in.

01:55:41.660 But as far as his runic academics, I don't think he has a peer.

01:55:44.640 I don't think there's ever been a peer of Dr. Flowers when it comes to runic academics.

01:55:50.120 No.

01:55:50.600 Not at all. So the thing that I wanted to mention was kind of the inherent.

01:55:57.680 A number of people, especially because we live in a world where the standard practice is voting and democracy, and that's very.

01:56:13.840 That's celebrated as a value in and of itself in the Western world.

01:56:17.320 So we do not feel that that is a value in the House True Folk Assembly. And it's one of the reasons that I want people to understand why that we are a, we are a theocratic autocracy.

01:56:31.580 And that is because it's a whole lot better to find good, find and try to cultivate and maintain good leaders than it is to get the majority of people to be of an elevated stature to where the majority can rule things effectively.

01:56:56.560 We've seen democracy kill all of the good things that have tried to be started in House of True in its early stages.

01:57:06.040 They're choked out in the womb. We see that all the time.

01:57:11.260 Mob rule doesn't help. And what we saw really recently, and the reason I bring it up today, the House of True Alliance, who I mentioned, they were very, very folkish.

01:57:20.980 They were an extremely folkish organization for a time, and their leadership was extremely

01:57:26.500 folkish.

01:57:27.860 But because they are really excited about having the assembly, the thing, and having

01:57:33.140 voting, they very recently completely disavowed anything folkish, disavowed their foundational

01:57:41.240 principles and all of those things, and they went completely and totally woke.

01:57:45.320 um it was really shocking to read their declaration of cuckoldry and wokeness

01:57:53.760 um it was shocking and disgusting um the guy that is their current quote unquote alas harry

01:58:02.020 gothi used to be an afa member and told me to my face that what i was doing was great and he

01:58:10.020 agreed with everything i was doing and everything the afa was doing he was in complete agreement

01:58:14.800 And as of issuing that statement, he signed his name to the complete disavowal of all those things that he knows to be true and right in order to bow down before the woke society. 0.58

01:58:30.340 And it is a shocking act of cowardice, and it's just disgusting.

01:58:36.080 But that's what happens. And it's one of the reasons that we are so adamant about our disavowal of equality and our hierarchical structure that we have.

01:58:51.800 It's really important to us because it preserves the integrity of what we're doing.

01:58:55.540 And I realized that sitting in my position, that is very easy for me to say, but it's something I've always believed, believed since I was a kid.

01:59:06.460 It's the way the AFA has always functioned since the AFA was founded in 1995.

01:59:11.840 And according to a kid I went to school with, Kevin Heideck, who jokingly named me Monarchy Matt in world history class.

01:59:21.520 It is something that I believed way back then in ninth grade.

01:59:25.240 so it is something that we believe in it's one of the things that helps keep us from

01:59:33.080 bowing into mob rule and to cucking out to the wall to the world crowd uh

01:59:42.840 you have anything to add on that daniel just kind of co-signing what you just said really i mean we

01:59:50.040 operate as the theocratic monarchy as it were i think what it does do uh the way that our

01:59:55.960 hierarchical structure is set up is it it keeps the uh the goals the same the goals don't change

02:00:02.120 i think our ideals don't shift and and one quick note on democracy and then i'll have said all i

02:00:09.160 need to is keep in mind that austro was killed by democracy by democracy uh in the year was it

02:00:17.640 1,000, I believe, in Iceland, they voted out the gods. Viking warpers that want to celebrate the

02:00:24.900 all thing, the all thing officially disavowed our gods. Yes. So people would keep that in mind.

02:00:33.220 And a lot of people hear these terms that we're using when we're talking about theocratic

02:00:38.140 autocracy and monarchy. And a lot of times they equate that to tyranny of some sort. You know,

02:00:45.500 You've got one guy that's just doing things because he wants to.

02:00:49.600 Certainly, it really isn't that way.

02:00:52.040 You've heard Al-Syra Gauthier say multiple times on this very show that he has an open-door policy.

02:00:59.320 And that open-door policy is very real.

02:01:01.700 When I was just a quote-unquote regular member, I took advantage of that.

02:01:08.520 It's been five years ago now, but it's very real.

02:01:12.860 Now, will you always get the answer that you want?

02:01:15.500 No, but you will at least have an understanding of why decisions are made the way that they are.

02:01:23.000 And, you know, it's not like the whole idea of the AFA exists just in Matt's head.

02:01:29.720 You know, there's a lot of stuff that goes into it where multiple people are, you know, for lack of a better word, advising him.

02:01:37.640 And I've seen at least one case.

02:01:40.020 I've only been on the Witten for a little while, but at least one case where the Witten asked for a certain thing and Matt did exactly what we asked for.

02:01:48.140 And, you know, it wasn't necessarily resistant to it, but he just wanted to understand why we wanted that thing.

02:01:54.260 And when we explained it, it worked.

02:01:57.840 Here's the thing.

02:01:58.800 I'm not.

02:02:01.380 I want to do the right thing.

02:02:03.140 Um, and I'm always, I'm, I'm always open to that.

02:02:11.620 Like it doesn't hurt or offend me if I'm could do something better or if somebody else has

02:02:18.260 got a better idea, if that's the right way to go and going to enhance what we're doing

02:02:25.340 and make it better, if that's more in line with what the gods want, I want to do what's

02:02:30.620 pleasing to our gods. And I want to do things the best way possible. And if anybody else got

02:02:35.520 a better idea, I'm always open to it. I'm not perfect. I'm trying my best to be, but I got a

02:02:42.040 long, long, long way to go. And I'm always open to trying to get that closer to what's worthy of

02:02:50.520 our gods. So yeah, yeah. Speaking of other groups, I came across a small one out of Italy, which

02:03:01.080 appears very similar. There is also a group in Spain. Do you think language is a barrier for why

02:03:07.080 they don't just join us? Yes. So I think that language is a barrier. And I think that

02:03:15.540 think that nationalism is a barrier as well. And I think that's born out of the very best of

02:03:26.540 instincts, but I think it's holding us back right now. I think we need to look at a bigger

02:03:32.600 nationalism that has to do with us as a folk, us as a people, and not just where lines are drawn on

02:03:41.600 map um but yeah i think that and i've noticed that now the afa i will say this we currently

02:03:51.360 have members in 15 different countries in the world so we do have we do have members

02:03:59.120 in a number of countries that english is not is not their language but it does make everything

02:04:05.280 harder um we've come a long way google is awesome with google translate it's not perfect but it gets

02:04:13.120 points across and it helps people that wouldn't be able to communicate otherwise communicate pretty

02:04:18.240 well but yeah there's that and there's a sense of we don't want americans telling us what to do

02:04:24.320 and i get that i totally get that but we're the ones doing something and if there was a group in

02:04:33.040 italy that was killing it and had tens of thousands of members then you know maybe we'd all join that

02:04:41.600 there's not we're the group right now that's leading the way and i would invite our brothers

02:04:46.880 and sisters in italy and in spain to join us and be part of what we're doing we have a few

02:04:51.520 members in italy and i'd love us to have more um but yeah i think language is a part of it and i 0.61

02:04:57.600 also think just national pride is is hard i think there's a genuine like europe likes to look down

02:05:06.880 on america and there's plenty to look down upon but looking back at europe in 2023 there's

02:05:16.000 a lot that uh for us to look back you know in a negative way as well and i think we're

02:05:22.160 in a world that our nationalism isn't defined by lines on a map anymore it's defined by things

02:05:30.320 that we have in common and i think that's really changed the game and it's very very hard to adjust

02:05:38.400 uh the next question correct me if i am wrong but wasn't the troth uh originally founded by flowers

02:05:46.880 to be flowers, academic, but still spiritual organization that got taken over by progressive

02:05:53.440 boomer types that eventually spiraled into complete degeneracy.

02:06:00.500 Yes, but I think that the term boomer becomes ahistorical when you start

02:06:06.000 referring to it in 1990. I think that, you know, boomers in 1990 isn't the same image.

02:06:19.900 I don't know. I don't think they look like 0.98

02:06:22.600 confused, out of touch old men, whereas now you see them in their 70s and their 80s,

02:06:29.100 back when they were in their 30s, 40s and 50s. So I think that the boomer term is kind of

02:06:35.900 technically accurate but paints a little bit different picture but yeah it it was absolutely

02:06:43.420 founded to be academic spiritual organization by dr flowers and it was very quickly taken over

02:06:48.780 by progressives and eventually they're just competing with one another to see how max woke

02:06:56.080 they can be and we've seen that you know go from them having gatherings and being a vibrant

02:07:04.640 organization to being virtually non-existent and being a collection of 0.64

02:07:13.360 morbidly obese mentally deranged persons of undiscernible gender on

02:07:23.360 skype calls and that's kind of where that's gone

02:07:26.800 Now, is it normal for modern day pagans to give themselves another name like Stephen Flowers, Edred Thorson?

02:07:45.020 Daniel, I've been I've been monopolizing the conversation.

02:07:49.000 Go ahead and hit this.

02:07:50.920 Normal.

02:07:52.080 No.

02:07:52.560 But I think there's a, again, this isn't meant as a personal attack to the person asking the question or the people that have done this.

02:08:04.620 There's this idea that, especially in the folkish sphere, that, you know, many of us have biblical names and that we need to reject that and change our names to something that sounds way more Viking.

02:08:17.380 and normal is not

02:08:21.220 normal is not the word I would use, but it has happened

02:08:25.780 you know, my name is Daniel

02:08:29.300 and yes, that name is also a biblical name

02:08:33.420 but it's also the name of my grandfather who was a Vietnam War hero

02:08:36.780 and I was named in his honor rather than the biblical Daniel

02:08:41.000 so I think it's disrespectful

02:08:44.840 to change that name, especially if you have, assuming you have a cohesive relationship with

02:08:52.180 your family, that you would reject the name they gave you. I think the idea of putting a name on

02:08:58.880 somebody, especially names that have actual meanings, instead of these, you know, made up

02:09:05.780 names you hear now that are commonplace. But most of the time, it's been our way to, you know,

02:09:13.760 Name a child after an ancestor.

02:09:18.900 My son's named after my mom's grandfather.

02:09:21.780 And that name is also a biblical name, but it's also my great grandfather's name. 0.59

02:09:27.140 But normal, no.

02:09:29.960 Daniel and I both have biblical Hebrew names.

02:09:35.400 I knew it would not be my preference.

02:09:40.140 But just like Daniel said, it's the name that my father and my mother wanted to bestow on me as a child.

02:09:48.740 And I don't don't fault that. There's a couple of things on that.

02:09:55.440 So there's very few I can think of two people in the AFA right now that have fake names.

02:10:10.140 and both of them were done not as a way to hide their identity

02:10:18.700 but as a way to embrace alsatru now what what has happened was originally

02:10:27.100 you had people that were involved in

02:10:31.900 taking as much sting off of it as possible viking larp that wanted to pick viking-y sounding names

02:10:38.620 for their house of truth stuff and that was a nobly intended let's embrace our roots thing

02:10:49.740 but it in within the last 10 years that has been conflated with and butted up against

02:10:58.940 people wanting to use fake names because they're scared to show their real identity

02:11:03.020 to the government or to antifa or to whatever and has been a way for people to abdicate

02:11:10.300 responsibility for things they say or do by hiding under an alias and that wasn't the case originally 0.65

02:11:17.260 it was just silly and larpy originally now it has become cowardly um dr flowers has never pretended

02:11:27.820 that he wasn't dr flowers he kind of separated his academic works under dr stephen flowers and 0.74

02:11:33.980 his esoteric and religious works as edward thorson but he did that in a long western

02:11:39.420 spiritual tradition of taking on a a magical name and it actually was you know based on names

02:11:46.460 within his family so it wasn't completely out there but that was what dr flowers had done

02:11:51.900 and since he has embraced Zoroastrianism his uh he goes by Durbin Eden I believe is his

02:12:01.560 Zoroastrian name I'm not sure if that's still something he's involved in or not but it was

02:12:06.840 I don't know seven or eight years ago um what what's kind of interesting the first event that

02:12:15.720 went to in the AFA. There was a, man, they're the only, the only Goethe in the AFA to die in office

02:12:23.320 so far. A man named David James, Goethe David James. He was an old time Oust-A-True guy since

02:12:32.420 the very, very earliest days. He was involved in the very early, early 80s. He was at All Thing One,

02:12:39.040 which was an Oust-True focus or free assembly event at the time. Really good guy. I was glad

02:12:45.340 got to meet a few times uh he passed away i believe in 2015 i think very early 2015 but i'm

02:12:56.620 not certain um i'd have to check anyways so the first event i went to he spoke there about naming

02:13:04.380 practices and how if you want to honor a family member that has a non-white folk name like a

02:13:14.700 biblical hebrew name you could try to figure out what that name means in hebrew like what it breaks

02:13:24.220 down to and find an equivalency of that in a in an aryan language and that's a way of showing

02:13:33.420 respect to an ancestor to name that way but he talked about it because naming was very very

02:13:37.980 important the naming ceremony we do for our children is one of the most special things that

02:13:42.940 we get to do as gothar but we believe names are really important and as much as i wish i didn't

02:13:52.220 didn't have a biblical hebrew name this is the name that my parents gave me and this is the name

02:13:58.060 that i'm going to carry with me until i pass to the other side and i own that and i appreciate

02:14:04.460 that and so many of us so many of the people that we celebrate as heroes so many of our parents and

02:14:10.940 grandparents have names that aren't germanic and here's the deal a germanic name from

02:14:20.460 recent times is much more relevant to your roots than a pretend viking name that you made up

02:14:27.260 because it's cool and larpy um i would encourage people to take names from their own family line

02:14:37.180 or from heroes of theirs and bestow those upon their children that was important to

02:14:43.500 my wife and i when we were contemplating

02:14:50.140 names for our daughter aubrey we were we were looking at those and looking at the

02:14:54.780 the names in our family lines and trying to not use the non non-arian names in those branches

02:15:02.300 and you know luckily and i've always wanted to do this i always thought aubrey was a pretty name but

02:15:08.220 it kind of goes back and forth between genders over time it was actually my grandfather's name

02:15:14.060 but it was a it was an irish name and you know an irish slash welsh it was a celtic name and uh

02:15:22.300 meant you know ruler of elves and so we did that in honor of my grandfather and thought it was a

02:15:29.260 noble name that way. If I would have a son, I would name him Gerald. That was my, my father,

02:15:37.520 or that is my father's name. It was my grandfather before him's name.

02:15:41.520 It's a Germanic name, means spear warrior. Awesome.

02:15:51.860 All right. Our next question. I feel I've reached a plateau in my learning,

02:15:58.380 but I know I've barely scratched the surface of what I need and want to know.

02:16:03.280 What would you, either Matt or Daniel, suggest as a next step to push myself?

02:16:09.420 We'll give you both Matt and Daniel's advice on that.

02:16:12.500 Daniel, what would you advise Jasmine on this?

02:16:16.980 I would tell her to actually do Issa True rather than just study it.

02:16:22.900 This is my sister, by the way.

02:16:24.240 um so yeah it's it's one thing to learn about the gods and to study them and it's quite another to

02:16:34.080 establish a relationship with them i think the best way to do that is through authentic practice

02:16:38.800 and what is authentic practice is the practice that you know brings you closer to the gods and

02:16:44.640 closer to your folk i certainly would encourage anybody who is wanting to further their understanding

02:16:51.040 to understand that Ausatruz is not found in a book. It's found in the bloat circle.

02:16:57.740 Ausatruz is found in action. We are our deeds because it's about what we do rather than what 0.87

02:17:02.920 we know. As I sit here right now, I am not Swan Harrell. I'm not as educated as he is.

02:17:11.200 I'm not as educated as a lot of people are. But I certainly have a deep, deeply rooted,

02:17:17.500 intense relationship with our, with our divine beings. I, I, I am closer to knowing them than

02:17:25.500 someone who just reads about it. So I would, I would suggest that, uh, next time I'm holding

02:17:32.480 something here at the house, you should come join us. Absolutely. Um, there's, if your question

02:17:43.700 we're refined to specifics there's tons of different stuff i could advise you to go read

02:17:50.020 or whatever but daniel's absolutely right also true is about doing not about knowing

02:17:58.740 if you are the greatest scholar in the world on ancient germanic religion

02:18:05.780 you are not an outsider you are a scholar and that's cool there's nothing wrong with that but

02:18:11.620 it's not a religious practice it's something you're interested in any of us have interests

02:18:18.340 that we may know a ton about it doesn't mean we have a religious bond and relationship

02:18:25.060 and worship the subject of that interest as gods um also true is fundamentally broken down by the

02:18:37.700 gift cycle and the gift cycle is fundamentally building relationships it's offering of yourself

02:18:46.580 to our gods and them bestowing something of themselves to you it's us offering of ourselves

02:18:54.020 to our folk them offering from themselves to you and your family it's building relationships with

02:19:02.900 With the folk, the people who are gathered to practice Ausatru, and with our gods, and with our ancestors and heroes like Meister Von List.

02:19:14.020 But you would be...

02:19:16.440 There's a difference between knowledge and wisdom, and I think you would be very surprised

02:19:25.320 what you would learn through the practice of Alcetru coupled with its study than by study alone.

02:19:36.320 We mentioned earlier how some of the writings of Meister von List were

02:19:41.620 very, very confusing the first time we read them and very over our heads.

02:19:46.320 And I talked about not having the context for them. Now, the context isn't what I've studied in books.

02:19:53.760 that helps a little on certain things.

02:19:57.460 But fundamentally, the context is through living as an ausitruer,

02:20:02.740 through worshiping our gods, through building that over the years.

02:20:05.860 Then we come back to it, and all of a sudden it makes so much more sense

02:20:08.900 because we've experienced things in our lives.

02:20:13.860 And you can't outread experience.

02:20:19.620 There are many, many people that are extremely well read about Alcetru that have never once practiced Alcetru.

02:20:30.960 And so all that knowledge is worthless.

02:20:35.800 There are people who have never read a book about Alcetru, but have worshipped our gods for their whole life,

02:20:42.800 have built relationships with our gods and who are so much further along than experts in the

02:20:50.460 in the quote unquote war. So absolutely, I would suggest going out and practicing Al-Satru. 1.00

02:20:59.340 I have a parallel, strange parallel. I'm a big time pro wrestling fan, or I used to be anyway. 1.00

02:21:07.620 Matt as well.

02:21:09.220 A lot of our conversations that aren't about AFA stuff are about the two of us

02:21:14.480 breaking down the intricate moves that happen within a planned wrestling match.

02:21:20.360 We talk about this guy executes a snap suplex with perfection,

02:21:24.580 and this guy does a side Russian leg sweep, and it just looks so devastating.

02:21:28.720 And we can talk about these things.

02:21:30.200 That's what you talk about.

02:21:31.640 I don't talk about the mad technicians.

02:21:34.060 Yes, we do. 0.98

02:21:35.420 Come to me with your Benoit nonsense.

02:21:37.120 Well, I mean, it is just him, you know, there's Bret Hart and others.

02:21:40.360 Anyway, but we could talk about it, and, you know, we see, like, in the modern presentation of the sport, it looks very rehearsed, and we spot that thing.

02:21:50.780 Does that mean that both of us could get into that ring and do better at it?

02:21:54.800 No, because we don't have any experience, but we have been casually observing it for decades now.

02:22:00.900 I think that applies to a lot of things in life.

02:22:03.400 yeah it implies to the the dude that sits in his couch the like 400 pound dude with the jumbo

02:22:10.300 reinforced chair because you got to hold him up and he says he talks about football and complains

02:22:16.760 about these professional athletes all day every day and he's never been on the field right it's

02:22:21.640 all about the man in the arena um see the same thing with mma stuff too like you know you'll

02:22:26.980 hear people shouting out you know flip those hips and do this and that you can't do half that

02:22:32.380 completely random side

02:22:34.800 note, but it comes up when you

02:22:36.740 say that. I was that

02:22:38.700 guy for a long time with

02:22:40.660 like boxing and when MMA

02:22:42.500 came about and whatever, and I'd always

02:22:44.400 have all these opinions on whatever anybody's supposed

02:22:46.520 to do. Ah, get up, you're being a baby.

02:22:50.960 So one day,

02:22:52.820 never been

02:22:54.720 in a fight in my life, but one day

02:22:56.900 I've been lifting or whatever,

02:22:59.040 but one day

02:22:59.780 my friend was

02:23:01.940 uh he was producing a radio program in town it was kind of the radio program of note the morning

02:23:08.680 show of note in anchorage at the time calls me up wakes me up out of a dead sleep and he challenges

02:23:14.140 me to get in a fight with this dude at thursday night at the fights in this boxing match i'm like

02:23:19.540 you know i'm in front of everybody in town i'm not gonna you know i'm not gonna cuck on it so i'm

02:23:24.500 like all right cool i think i said some profanities that were probably not appropriate for the radio

02:23:29.840 because i just got woken up and i wasn't really my full self at the time but i agreed to do it and i

02:23:39.600 they set me up so at weigh-ins they had this other dude and he was scrawny and he'd never been in a

02:23:46.000 fight either and we were gonna do it it was gonna be great but it's a you know a comical morning

02:23:51.600 show so like haha we'll show him this guy mysteriously was sick the day of the fight and 0.82

02:23:57.200 And they had this just gang tatted up Samoan, like looks like he's been fighting his whole life.

02:24:06.860 It was me against this guy. 0.92

02:24:08.680 I'll tell you what, this guy beat me up so bad.

02:24:16.640 I was concentrating on all of the punches I took to my face.

02:24:22.240 I would have sworn because I was protecting my face as best I could.

02:24:27.200 i would have sworn this guy didn't hit me in the body once for the next two weeks both sides from

02:24:35.520 armpit to hip were black this guy beat me up so bad i learned a lot about myself this is not

02:24:45.680 related to the question this is just matt drinking moscow mules talking to you about stories but

02:24:52.000 But, oh my goodness, I learned so much though. 0.89

02:24:58.300 So this guy was, you know, 350 pounds of just gangster Samoan, bad dude you don't want to mess with. 1.00

02:25:13.080 And he hit me in the face as hard as he could lots. 1.00

02:25:17.480 And I'd never been hit in the face before.

02:25:20.120 And I learned about myself.

02:25:22.000 I got up every time. None of these were three one minute rounds at a local tough man competition. This is not real boxing or real MMA or anything. But I didn't stay down. I kept getting back up and the ref tried to stop the fight twice. And I, no, no, let me at him.

02:25:44.620 i made the standing 10 count i was up i made it i went to distance and i was really proud of myself

02:25:54.040 because internally this is where it actually relates back to the story internally i didn't

02:25:59.840 want to be that guy that sat on the couch and criticized all these other people and then when

02:26:03.620 it was my time to show up i didn't live up to all the criticism i'm giving these other guys and

02:26:08.920 And that's what made me keep getting up.

02:26:12.180 I will be forever grateful to the bouncer, Chip Green, out of Anchorage, Alaska, fighting out of whatever corner he fought out of.

02:26:22.720 Real nice dude afterwards.

02:26:25.680 He even, when they asked him about it on the morning show, he even pretended that I gave him some good shots.

02:26:31.900 I don't believe that was the case.

02:26:33.160 He said it happened.

02:26:33.960 I don't know.

02:26:38.920 They beat me up so bad.

02:26:40.940 It was a local news story about how bad I got beat up.

02:26:46.800 And I didn't tell my mom, but she watches the news.

02:26:51.440 I didn't realize it was that big of a deal, but then she was all concerned the next day.

02:26:55.960 But I digress.

02:26:58.520 There's a lot of people sit on the couch and want to judge everybody else that's out there doing it.

02:27:03.500 Doing it is a whole different story.

02:27:05.940 But yeah, the summary of all that nonsense, do oust the truth, participate, be the man in the arena, make it happen.

02:27:18.500 Does Guido von Liszt utilize the practice of divination or Galder in his works?

02:27:26.240 What's your answer for that, Daniel?

02:27:27.900 okay i can't speak to the meisters uh practice with the with the armament room but i but i have

02:27:37.620 seen in modern times uh people use the armament for divination but i will say from experience

02:27:44.280 that uh we were behind we were behind thorshoff one uh one weekend and this was after the first

02:27:51.600 pro star that we had ever hosted and uh it was just kind of like a meeting of the minds to uh

02:27:57.340 I don't know, kind of unwind and just enjoy each other's company is one of the only times we've ever done that.

02:28:01.940 We need to start doing that again. But it was myself, my wife, Heather, and Goethe Rob Stam and a couple of the members.

02:28:11.860 We just sat behind the fellowship hall and kind of celebrated what we'd accomplished at that first OSTARA.

02:28:19.920 and rob and i were both uh yeah at the time we were both um had not been ordained yet we were

02:28:29.300 still both our students we were still kind of i i don't want to use the word playing around as if

02:28:35.180 you know like cheaply uh but we were just trying to feel feel ourselves out when it came to

02:28:40.740 ritual you know trying to find our styles and all that and he had this great idea that we were going

02:28:45.900 do a um a ritual uh to the tripartite nature of of odin and we're gonna do it in three parts

02:28:55.740 and he wanted to add in galdering to rune gibor and it did not come off very well

02:29:02.860 because armin and runes are just not they're not not well suited to calder and for the record uh

02:29:09.740 And we had done the bloat together.

02:29:14.260 We kind of did like a tandem deal.

02:29:16.560 And to this day, our styles have not differed much since that particular time.

02:29:21.980 We were fledgling gothlings at the time.

02:29:25.920 But that's just been my experience that Galdr doesn't really work with Arminen.

02:29:30.640 But I have seen people do divination practices with him.

02:29:33.360 So, to my knowledge, Meister Von List, I have no reason to believe that he used runes for divination or for Galder.

02:29:45.840 I know that they were used for spell work and for a number of other things.

02:29:51.200 I assume that divination was probably involved, but I know that for a fact.

02:29:57.440 Daniel is right on.

02:29:58.540 They don't linguistically work out very well for Galder.

02:30:03.360 In my experience, the Elder Futhark runes are the best suited for Galdr and intoning of elongated vowel sounds.

02:30:18.520 And I think that's where the real magic of Rune Galdr comes in.

02:30:22.600 But I have no reason to believe that Von List used the runes for Galdr practice.

02:30:32.660 i assume he used them for divination but i don't know for certain

02:30:38.980 um last question for me i swear now i have not mentioned this person's name i assume it's a guy

02:30:52.980 and i also assume his name is a po reference but he's been asking a lot of these questions

02:30:58.660 um thy raven nevermore uh i appreciate you and i appreciate all your questions tonight

02:31:06.180 they have helped elongate this show and make it and made it uh good and interesting

02:31:14.180 von list was affiliated with the theosophical society and uh madame helena blavatsky what

02:31:20.820 are your thoughts on the book masks of odin i ask because i think that book comes from the

02:31:27.780 the Theosophical Society. Daniel, are you familiar with that book? I am not, and I'm not

02:31:36.060 terribly familiar with Theosophical Society, although I do know that he was affiliated with

02:31:42.960 them. That was actually part of the bio that I crammed on from Secret of the Ruins. But no,

02:31:52.120 the mask of odin i'm not familiar with it sorry so i know a lot of people like that i have not read

02:31:58.200 that i wish i could give you a better answer on that um random because it's something that always

02:32:11.080 comes up when people mention that book i always get it confused with this other book that i do

02:32:15.320 like quite a bit is The One-Eyed God. The One-Eyed God is a really good book if you get a chance to

02:32:22.560 read it. And I can vouch for that one. I've read it. It's awesome. As far as the one thing that's

02:32:32.600 interesting and really kind of fascinating, and it's very easy to look back on it with modern eyes

02:32:40.300 and see all the things that are goofy or cheesy or things we know better now than we did then.

02:32:48.460 But around the turn of the 20th century there,

02:32:51.960 there was such a resurgence of esoteric societies of groups of people that had rejected Christianity largely

02:33:05.560 and had tried to rediscover the metaphysical, the esoteric, and their divine birthright.

02:33:16.820 And it took so many different shapes and forms.

02:33:21.920 Some of those people were luminaries and were heroes on a quest to resurrect our folks. 0.93

02:33:31.540 So some of them were charlatans trying to make a buck off of conning rich people into believing ridiculous things.

02:33:40.640 It's hard to tell where that line was and where it wasn't, especially when it comes to Matt and Blavatsky. 0.70

02:33:45.560 I think in my understanding, I tend to associate her a lot with the trend of seances at the time.

02:34:07.760 And I think especially where women are concerned, the idea of reaching out beyond the veil and bringing those spirits through a medium into our world, there's absolutely something to it.

02:34:23.940 There's a lot to it.

02:34:26.100 I think that that was riddled with nonsense and con artists.

02:34:32.640 I think that probably was also infused with some people that were really scary and how powerful

02:34:39.760 they were. And if we all are sitting around doing something and everybody else thinks it's a game

02:34:45.700 and you get one person that's serious, stuff can get real very quickly. And I think that happened

02:34:52.780 lot and honestly as much as i think some of the theosophical society is is nonsense i think that

02:35:03.100 it gave an opportunity for people especially women to reawaken some of their abilities

02:35:12.060 in terms of that and i think that's really special i think a door got opened there

02:35:17.340 that has remained open ever since i mean that's really special you know i so many of these things

02:35:25.820 it's easy to look back and see how cheesy they were but at the time if you're coming out of

02:35:34.780 i mean generational devotion to the church and being christian and it not being fulfilling and

02:35:41.660 seeming foreign and wrong especially the aristocracy was doing a lot of this

02:35:47.900 and you would go to one of these clandestine meetings with other aristocrats and let that

02:35:55.340 part of your soul be free for a little bit that's a really cool thing and i would have loved to have

02:36:04.620 been part of that and been able to experience that so you know i'm not going to jump on the

02:36:11.260 bandwagon and criticize um but again you asked a specific question about a specific book that

02:36:17.500 neither of us have read so that's the best i can give you on it i do appreciate you though you've

02:36:22.220 asked a lot of really good questions tonight and i really like that screen name that's pretty cool

02:36:28.140 i just as soon as you were trying to pronounce it i was going over my head oh that's what it's

02:36:32.620 No, it really is. Honestly, that's a really cool poem.

02:36:43.200 I had to memorize that poem for, shoot, now I can't remember what it was in school,

02:36:51.280 but I had to memorize that at one point.

02:36:55.660 Next question, is the name Barbara Greek or Hebrew?

02:36:59.820 says Greek when you look it up, but I want to make sure I like the name and considered the name

02:37:06.080 if I ever had a daughter. Um, best of my knowledge, it's Greek name. It comes from

02:37:14.100 the exact same root as barbarian. It means foreigner or, you know, strange people outside

02:37:21.940 of greek society defined by them you know doing strange things like drinking their wine straight 1.00

02:37:30.340 without watering it down to make it a spritzer um if that is the drinking habit i would much rather

02:37:37.940 be barbarian uh perhaps be a macedonian on the border betwixt the two um but yeah i think that's

02:37:46.180 a that's a greek name that one's safe but it it means stranger and foreigner and that's kind of

02:37:52.420 odd you know i thought as far as naming children way back when i was younger my great grandfather

02:37:58.100 had a great grandfather i had a great grandfather named claude and i thought claude was a cool name

02:38:03.300 and i looked up claude it means cripple and that wasn't as cool as i would have liked it to be so

02:38:10.260 So that kind of got off my list.

02:38:12.840 So I think the meaning of the name is important too.

02:38:16.700 But also, you know, I don't know if you're wanting to use that name

02:38:20.200 because you have a Barbara in your family.

02:38:24.560 In which case, that's a cool thing to do.

02:38:31.800 Opinions on Armin and Runes and the Black Sun by Elfric Avery.

02:38:37.100 What are your opinions on that, Daniel?

02:38:39.420 I never read it. So so much of this is going to be that's going to be my answer.

02:38:46.220 I've said it before when I've appeared on the show that I'm a lot more exoterically minded and not so esoterically inclined.

02:38:55.400 I am working on it all the time. I'm trying to become better at it, but I haven't read a great deal on esoteric study.

02:39:03.520 And let me differentiate what the two of them are. Exoteric, as I understand it, is the religion.

02:39:09.420 about the truth. Esoteric is spirituality, like the internal, you know, that which elevates the

02:39:16.760 self. But the exoteric is where my focus has always been because my focus is on the collective

02:39:22.620 rather than just me as an individual. Have you read it? I have not read it. Honestly, I don't

02:39:34.160 know if I've even heard of it. And I've read a number of different books on the Black Sun. I

02:39:39.660 think the one that comes to mind is the one by Goodrick Clark. I'm really not familiar, and I

02:39:46.820 wish I could tell you more on it. I feel bad. I may go look it up after this conversation tonight,

02:39:52.520 so I'm a little bit more prepared to answer your question. Same here. And I say I'm familiar with

02:40:00.280 the author, as in, I've heard of the author, but I've never read any of his work. But that does

02:40:06.980 sound interesting, and I'd like to check that out. No, I just was reading something in the chat

02:40:19.660 about that book and the author. Yeah, I'm not familiar, and I'd like to, one of the cool things

02:40:25.980 about doing these shows is you guys in the chat bring up books and documentaries and things that

02:40:33.180 me and often the guests have never heard of and it's kind of cool to go back and

02:40:37.660 check those out so i appreciate you all and your recommendations

02:40:43.100 so if anybody has any more questions tonight um

02:40:49.420 please, please go ahead and ask those in the next few minutes here. We're down to our last

02:40:59.640 question. I was just checking over on entropy. Turns out we had one question from entropy

02:41:04.140 tonight. Often producer Nick tells me when a question comes from a different source. I don't

02:41:09.060 think we've heard any questions out of our other audiences this evening besides YouTube, but we

02:41:14.460 Appreciate you guys, as always.

02:41:20.580 In your opinions, how legitimate is runic yoga or stavar runic martial arts?

02:41:30.100 Daniel, what's your thoughts?

02:41:33.180 Okay, I'm going to answer this in the same way I answer a lot of these.

02:41:36.640 I have not done runic yoga.

02:41:38.560 I have done the runic poses or the stava of runes.

02:41:44.460 But I know that our founder is, you know, he does the runic yoga, and that's all I know about it.

02:41:50.980 As far as, like, a runic martial art, the martial arts stuff, when it comes to, I've been asked about Gleema a few times and things of that nature.

02:42:05.140 I don't know how any of those things apply to modern needs of hand-to-hand combat.

02:42:10.320 So I've never heard of any runic martial arts.

02:42:13.560 It's the first I've heard of that.

02:42:15.360 Matt, have you ever heard of this runic martial arts stopper?

02:42:21.200 Yes.

02:42:21.700 Have I ever heard of anybody who actually practiced it?

02:42:24.400 No.

02:42:33.120 So I want to separate these two things.

02:42:36.740 Runic martial arts, I'm going to call BS on. 0.95

02:42:43.560 That's silly. That was never a thing. That's not effective martial arts.

02:42:53.260 I promise you, if you try to use rune martial art, if you use if we're both inside the confines of a steel cage and you want to come at me with stabber and I want to come at you with jujitsu, I will destroy you. 0.97

02:43:08.860 I promise you. You know what? If Daniel wants to come at you with jujitsu and you want to come at 0.98

02:43:14.660 him with Stavr, he will destroy you. I promise you that too. Yeah, because it's just an afterthought

02:43:21.200 on the thing. Now, this is the caveat though. If the point is doing runic gymnastics or runic yoga

02:43:31.500 And the idea is using your poses and your runic stuff for meditation and for energy flow.

02:43:41.480 I don't do that. I haven't found that to be meaningful to me.

02:43:47.220 But I do know people who do that, that do find it beneficial.

02:43:51.380 we all come to

02:43:56.180 all right so something that uh Svan and I talk about on our rune shows

02:44:02.720 is getting to where you adjust how you see the world through the lens of the runes

02:44:13.360 there are a lot of different ways to learn something or to internalize something

02:44:18.880 A lot of us do that through reading about it. Maybe you need to read about it and write down

02:44:26.700 stuff. The act of just writing it down, even if you never look at your notes, the fact that you

02:44:31.140 wrote it down can help internalize it. Some people need to perceive that differently and maybe need

02:44:38.300 to put their body into the shape of a room and that helps them internalize that. And that's valid 0.95

02:44:44.780 and that's good if that helps them um some people do like runic hand signs and they make shapes of

02:44:54.380 the runes with their hands and that helps them incorporate the runes into their world view and

02:45:01.740 how they see things and see through that lens if this is going to help that then it's great

02:45:07.660 and it's a really good thing for you to do it's not what works for me it's not what helps me to

02:45:15.580 understand the runes better but if it works for you that's great i know i know a couple of people

02:45:22.060 that really like runic yoga work and all right so book recommendation that's completely random

02:45:30.940 and not about runic yoga is the yoga of power by julius yeah and i there is a method to my madness

02:45:43.260 bear with me um it is one of the books that a lot of people criticize from evola it's also

02:45:52.300 one of my favorite books that i read from them um and i think it comes in the title

02:45:58.700 because yoga isn't yoga does not equal soccer mom stretchy poses that is one way of doing yoga

02:46:12.020 but that's not what yoga means the physical form yoga is one style of yoga practice

02:46:23.080 Just sitting and doing a certain breath pattern is a different style of yoga practice. Yoga means a lot more than soccer moms doing warrior pose or whatever else. And those are awesome. I'm not criticizing any of that, but it's, it doesn't, it's so much bigger than just that.

02:46:46.140 In that sense, runic yoga is more than just, you know, doing the YMCA dance.

02:46:58.700 It's about incorporating the energy flow with those practices.

02:47:06.120 If you see the diagrams, it's about the flow of energy through your body.

02:47:10.840 It's also about internalizing these runic concepts and training yourself to see the world through the lens of the runes, which is essential.

02:47:22.660 And if runic yoga helps you do that, by all means, do it all day, every day.

02:47:28.940 I have tried it. It doesn't help me at all.

02:47:33.320 But I find other ways that do work for me to do that.

02:47:37.780 So if this is a way that works for you, absolutely. Please don't think that Stavr is going to protect you from somebody trying to harm you, unless maybe it just completely befuddles them and they don't know what you're up to and so they give up.

02:47:57.320 But I do not feel that it is an effective martial art. It is perhaps an effective meditative art.

02:48:04.040 and that has its place too

02:48:07.800 i'm looking over at the chat just one last time to check to see if we got anything

02:48:19.640 and we don't daniel do you have oh i think we do one just popped up

02:48:26.800 uh what books have you read that have been recommended by the chat

02:48:34.040 It's a good question. I'm stopping and thinking. Daniel, have you ever have you read any books that are amazing audiences recommended?

02:48:45.200 No, but a book that you touched on a little while ago in our conversation, The One-Eyed God by Kershaw.

02:48:54.320 That's a phenomenal book. It is another one of those that had I read it early on in my also true journey, I probably would have tossed it.

02:49:04.040 Um, but as my, you know, learning through discernment, you know, evolved, that book made much more sense. And it actually came to me at like, almost precisely the right time, like I was precisely ready the minute I read it. And to be, to be honest, too, I don't see a lot of the chat, just from the questions that we've had.

02:49:25.220 i have not read any of those books that i can remember from the uh questions but i do want to

02:49:31.160 check out that alfred uh avery book uh the armen and marines and the black sun i want to check that

02:49:36.860 out so i have and i don't so i i don't think that i've picked up an entire book off of it but i have

02:49:43.580 picked up like hey check out these videos check out what this guy says check out this stuff and

02:49:48.800 i'm trying to think and off the top of my head it's just not coming to me but i i absolutely

02:49:53.400 have. And I know Svahn has as well. There's been a number of things we've been curious about that

02:49:59.080 people pop into the chats. I know you're calling me on it and it's hard for me to like, uh-oh,

02:50:07.260 Matt doesn't really read our, take our book recommendations. I do on some of this,

02:50:12.000 on some of the stuff, on the actual reading of the full book. I haven't on a couple of things

02:50:17.640 about the uh i wish i could remember the exact source a couple of things about the um

02:50:28.760 oralinda book i have looked into because of suggestions on here there have been a couple

02:50:33.880 of things certainly youtube videos and youtube channels that i have looked into from the chat

02:50:40.520 on the specifics of them man it's been a little bit i'm constantly trying to consume that stuff

02:50:45.880 so it's hard for me to remember there have been some but i don't think there's been like a book

02:50:50.520 that i've ordered from it yet but i look forward to the day that happens you guys do have good

02:50:55.560 suggestions all right so in the next question last question that has popped up in ron mcvan's

02:51:05.560 book creed of iron he associates a god with each day of the week um sunday equals fray monday

02:51:14.600 equals freya tuesday equals tier wednesday equals votan thursday equals thor friday equals frig and

02:51:24.920 saturday equals balder how accurate is this uh monday tuesday wednesday and thursday are 100

02:51:32.840 accurate the rest i think are just made up to put one in there which isn't wrong or bad it's those

02:51:42.040 are the names of the week that aren't directly cognate to one of our gods um whereas tuesday

02:51:53.160 wednesday thursday friday are absolutely accurate and we can see that in many many germanic languages

02:52:01.960 yeah daniel do you have any thoughts on the uh sunday monday and saturday versions of those

02:52:15.960 things it was always my understanding that sunday was for suna monday was for money and

02:52:22.440 i've heard spawn postulate that possibly saturday was for heimdall

02:52:28.460 But yeah, outside of what Matt just said

02:52:32.860 I tend to agree that some of the stuff is just kind of plug and play

02:52:37.680 I've also heard Friday was for Freya or Freya, but I don't think we

02:52:41.120 100% know on that one, but the Tuesday

02:52:45.600 through Thursday for sure are correct

02:52:47.720 Yeah, and

02:52:49.980 Much, okay, so

02:52:57.000 I don't always like that stuff, and it seems a little bit cheesy to me, but that's just me.

02:53:12.780 It's like what I said about runic yoga or anything else.

02:53:18.400 one thing that early practitioners of modern alsatru did a lot

02:53:26.220 was they needed to change every normal thing that anybody does to put a viking coat of paint on it

02:53:35.420 and make it you know the alsatru version of it looking back that looks silly at the time

02:53:45.280 how much of that silliness, and I'm using the air quotes, but I just realized

02:53:52.380 you couldn't see them in my camera. How much of that quote unquote silliness though

02:54:00.160 brought us to where we are today? So much of what I mentioned earlier is training yourself

02:54:06.340 to see things through an altitude lens, to see things through a runic lens.

02:54:13.100 If you are trying to break drastically away from what you've done before and reshape your world to be Ausitru-centric and to reinforce Ausitru with all of the things that you do, some of these things are helpful for that.

02:54:33.820 And I think they were helpful for our predecessors who laid the foundations to do that. 0.57

02:54:40.500 But if, you know, if them, you know, instead of being Bill Smith, need to be Ragnar Odinson and wear a tunic and some chain mail and rename their year to runic year, whatever.

02:55:01.380 And if all of that helps them to re-see their existence through the lens of our folk and our gods, that's good.

02:55:15.480 And maybe some of that, what seems cringy to some of us, myself included, maybe some of that helped us get where we are today to where I don't need to do that.

02:55:27.980 maybe some of the work they put in on doing that has made it to where we don't have to go through

02:55:33.900 that phase because they laid that groundwork and if that's the case then you know hats off to them

02:55:41.680 thank you for it and i think that's really the the best way to look at that i think you touched

02:55:49.620 on something though i think that was a that was possibly what was needed at the time uh to fully

02:55:55.460 separate them from uh i hate saying the word trauma like this but you know whatever uh negative

02:56:03.140 feelings i had toward christianity and stuff uh so real quick uh i went to an aman marth show if you

02:56:11.860 uh back in november and i gotta tell you uh walking in there as an also true let alone being

02:56:20.420 an oustry priest, and seeing the guys with the

02:56:24.540 Ragnar haircuts, and there were actual guys

02:56:28.340 walking around wearing pelts and stuff like that, and it just

02:56:31.440 it was so hokey, I found it insulting, and

02:56:36.460 I remember commenting to the guy that I went with who's an AFA member

02:56:40.020 that, you know, we were the only ones in this building that actually believe in the gods.

02:56:46.160 Not that the show wasn't entertaining, but just

02:56:48.520 that presentation is just

02:56:51.280 it's just kind of tired

02:56:53.540 if you ask me.

02:57:02.140 But wait, there's more.

02:57:04.860 Another question

02:57:05.900 came up. Oh, wow.

02:57:13.080 Another question

02:57:14.200 did come up besides 1.00

02:57:15.680 my wife trying to get Nick 0.96

02:57:17.760 to make me do stupid things um one last question does wotensvolk still exist was it an actual 0.96

02:57:27.480 organization and eventually fell off um first let me stipulate that 0.92

02:57:37.140 All I know is what other people told me and what I've read.

02:57:49.400 So there may be like special caveats to this that I don't know.

02:57:57.100 Yes, it was at one time a thing and it existed and it was it was something.

02:58:03.580 No, it doesn't still exist. As far as I know, that hasn't really existed in any actual way since 1995.

02:58:16.440 I don't know how many people were legitimately part of that as an organization or as a group.

02:58:25.440 It was very small to my understanding. It's much more like a kindred than anything else, I think.

02:58:31.220 And they were involved in a lot of publishing stuff.

02:58:34.160 And that was part of some of McVann's early works that got published.

02:58:38.160 I think that was David and Katja Lane with Ron McVann.

02:58:42.480 And again, since David Lane went to prison, I don't think that survived.

02:58:48.320 Katja had a really bad break with Ron.

02:58:51.940 And no, that's not still a thing.

02:58:56.740 It was an actual thing.

02:58:58.500 like it physically existed, but I don't think that's existed in almost 30 years now.

02:59:10.600 Okay, so all right. Obsidian Skull, question for Matt. Have you seen the Sasquatch people yet? I'm

02:59:18.480 not talking about the movie. I'm talking about the real ones. No, I have not seen any Sasquatch

02:59:23.640 people on film or in real life. I'm unfamiliar with the Sasquatch people. I've tried to look

02:59:30.580 into the Sasquatch people as per your original instructions. I've yet to find them or to learn

02:59:37.320 about the Sasquatch people. I would be interested to learn about Sasquatch people because I do find 0.60

02:59:43.760 it fascinating. And, you know, joking aside, I do find that subject of Sasquatch to be kind of

02:59:50.360 interesting um and my wife keeps bothering me about stuff so i will i will answer it she wants

02:59:58.280 to know she believes that there's some kind of imminent return of john cena to wrestling and

03:00:03.640 wants to know what daniel and i think about the return of the doctor thuganomics um i think that

03:00:09.880 if he reappears as the doctor of thuganomics and busts some sick rhymes of people that would be

03:00:15.560 entertaining. I think if he comes out as cheesy John Cena that like salutes people and pretends

03:00:21.860 he's in the military or whatever, I think that's cheesy and obnoxious and don't like it. But if

03:00:27.000 he's got some really slow like rhymes about people, I find that hilarious. And I hearken

03:00:34.060 back to 2002 and I find a humorous. Side note, friend of mine at the time drove me down fishing

03:00:41.520 and he was he had john cena's rap album that he insisted on listening to in the vehicle on the on

03:00:47.840 the trip daniel daniel see daniel doesn't have faith in john cena's rapping abilities honestly

03:00:55.680 wasn't as terrible as you would think that it would be some of it was was was all right and

03:01:00.960 would stick in your head and kind of does to this day a little bit um guilty pleasure though uh and

03:01:11.520 All right. So if you Anna wants to ask, people are going to ask dumb questions and they're going to get an answer that scares them at some point. 0.75

03:01:21.120 She wants to know, have I ever seen any?

03:01:25.740 All right, Anna, see how it is.

03:01:30.860 I know, but let me tell you about the story of the woodsman of Ruby.

03:01:35.240 Actually, first, before I do that, Daniel, have you ever encountered a cryptid?

03:01:40.020 I have not. And to answer Mandy's question about am I excited about the doctor of thugonomics, I agree with Matt. If he shows up as the doctor of thugonomics, then yeah, I think that's pretty cool. But I've never seen a cryptid. We have a strange cryptid story from the Carolinas, though.

03:01:55.860 Word life. Word life. So Woodsman and Ruby. All right. My uncle was a fish and game biologist

03:02:10.660 up in Fairbanks, Alaska. And I mean, he was far ranging in the interior of Alaska with his,

03:02:17.360 with his job and he worked with this guy and this guy was you know a professional i think he had a

03:02:28.560 master's if not more in biology or whatever he was doing and he was doing a i believe a fish count

03:02:38.240 survey because you'd have to go to these different rivers and streams and do like take account

03:02:44.800 periodically of the amount of fish that passed by a certain point to determine like fishing limits

03:02:50.640 and whatever else so he went to a very remote place in the interior of alaska and he was doing

03:02:59.600 this fish count there was a fishing game cabin there that he would stay at um a real bad storm

03:03:06.640 came through and he got uh snowed into this cabin for longer than anticipated for like a week or

03:03:13.760 something and so this guy high functioning well-educated master's degree normal dude by all

03:03:26.240 accounts comes back and he tells this story and story goes on something like this so

03:03:36.720 not to make it humorous but to get the vision in your head like midget bigfoot

03:03:42.000 he was attacking him there was these little 0.75

03:03:46.880 midget proportioned but otherwise described like big bigfoot that would chuck firewood cut firewood 0.99

03:04:03.360 they would is that the woodsman that's my cats they're coming for you anyways they would chuck

03:04:10.880 firewood at his cabin and you know they would like they had him under siege during this whole storm

03:04:18.320 they would like terrorize him they wouldn't let him sleep and they would chuck these uh

03:04:24.240 logs at his cabin and just terrorize this guy for his whole time out there

03:04:29.920 he came back and as far as i know he told this story and he was dead serious about it for the

03:04:35.920 rest of his life he was an older guy i think he's passed by now but he was real serious he never

03:04:43.520 you know let on that he was joking or pulling anybody's leg and he wasn't one of those guys

03:04:48.960 that oh i saw bigfoot and i've seen some aliens and this and he was completely normal other these

03:04:56.160 than these woodsmen and they were around ruby alaska the woodsman of ruby so if you find

03:05:02.640 yourself in ruby alaska beware of the woodsman that's what i got

03:05:10.320 and we have another question that's popped up question for matt

03:05:18.320 how does it feel being a based giga chad also how long did it take you to get jacked

03:05:25.680 so thank you for your amazing question

03:05:31.160 appreciate that you are a font of wisdom and discernment

03:05:37.080 long time so when i was in high school i was lame i was i was like skinny fat i think i

03:05:50.500 graduated and I was like 185, but again, I was skinny fat. Um, I hit a point where around the

03:06:01.920 year, around 2000, around the turn of the millennium, I, uh, something's got to change.

03:06:10.380 I don't want to be a loser. I'm lame. I'm going to do different with my life. All of my heroes 0.76

03:06:17.260 growing up in the 80s and the early 90s are you know these larger than life action hero

03:06:24.700 hulk hogan sylvester stallone arnold these like dudes while i was idolizing these people i was

03:06:34.380 nothing remotely similar and i wouldn't even try because how could i ever be like them

03:06:39.660 and it occurred to me you know what maybe i won't but if i try real hard i'll get a lot closer than

03:06:45.580 i am now and so i started going to the gym i started eating i started doing stuff and

03:06:53.820 took me a long time the hardest thing ever was for me to get over 225

03:07:02.220 to put on enough muscle and other things to get over 225 was really really hard for me

03:07:09.260 I would say to get from 185 to 225 took me from 2000 to 2003 or so.

03:07:26.600 I worked really, really hard.

03:07:28.380 And I got to, so at that time I was drinking two gallons of milk a day, along with whatever else I was doing.

03:07:36.000 But whatever else I was eating, plus two gallons of milk a day of whole milk.

03:07:41.980 And that started getting me closer to where I was trying to be.

03:07:48.020 I was so used to being scrawny that it was put on mass by any means necessary.

03:07:55.040 So I got fat. I was I was up to like 25 percent body fat, I think.

03:08:02.020 and that's technically obesity for men, but I was lifting hard, lifting stupid. My joints will 0.99

03:08:10.360 attest to that. And just, I didn't care what else I got. I just needed to make sure I got,

03:08:19.000 you know, I forget what it was, but I was trying to get like 400 grams of protein a day.

03:08:22.820 My body couldn't use that. I was wasting the vast majority of that, but I was always in an

03:08:29.680 anabolic state. So I got 315 is I think the heaviest I've ever been. And I was pretty,

03:08:41.860 pretty chunky then. I was pretty chunky monkey at that point.

03:08:49.600 When I, and that was, you know, during the time I was bouncing and doing whatever else,

03:08:54.140 I when I moved down to Florida and I met Mandy, she got me hooked on counting my macros.

03:09:02.940 And so I started doing that and I was able to refine myself in a really good way.

03:09:09.300 I was able to cut a lot of the fat. I had gotten down to 14.9 percent body fat, which is not remotely impressive.

03:09:17.920 But it was impressive for me because it's the lowest I've ever gotten.

03:09:20.980 Um, I think right now I'm sitting at about 18 point. We'll see. It's almost the end of the

03:09:30.160 month. I check on the first of every month. So I get back to you on that, but 18 point something.

03:09:36.320 Um, it's not great, but I'm down, you know, I'm, I'm two 38 ish, about 18 point something.

03:09:47.760 then I'd like to get under 17.

03:09:50.060 If I could get like 16.9, then I'd bulk a little bit again

03:09:54.620 and keep trying to aim for just under 17.

03:09:59.400 I think that's where I feel comfortable.

03:10:01.180 That's where I feel like I'm fit, but I'm still maintaining my size.

03:10:04.080 But it took a long, long time.

03:10:05.820 It's been a quest of mine for 20 years, and I'm still working on it.

03:10:14.360 But I appreciate the question.

03:10:16.140 it makes me feel good about myself thank you uh the next question and last question until

03:10:23.660 we hear anything else have you ever been visited by the yule booker if you were visited did they

03:10:34.060 dirty your floors and eat your food if not you should check that out

03:10:38.300 Now, no, I have not been visited by any spirits around Yule eating any of my food or making a mess.

03:10:50.940 Daniel, have you been visited by any Yule spirits that may have eaten food and made a mess in your habitation?

03:10:58.300 No, I haven't.

03:10:59.340 But I'll say this, though, that it's the celebration of Yule and its absence in first century Christianity that started steering me toward Alcetra.

03:11:13.160 Before, my mother was never baptized as a witness, but she was a student of Jehovah's Witnesses for a number of years, and we ceased to celebrate Christmas.

03:11:26.920 But I did have some experience with Christmas.

03:11:28.860 It was my favorite holiday of the year, and I truly believed in the magic of it.

03:11:33.160 When I grew up and had my own kids, my only religious experience was through that expression of Christianity.

03:11:40.760 So this is what Heather and I did for a little while.

03:11:43.640 And, again, we were never baptized.

03:11:45.660 So when my kids were born, my oldest two kids, we didn't celebrate the winter holiday at all.

03:11:52.440 And I look back at that with extreme regret because I robbed them of that feeling of magic of that season.

03:11:59.940 I know that's not part of the question, but any time I hear about Yule, I get all giddy.

03:12:03.760 It was literally my favorite holiday by a long shot.

03:12:09.380 That's fine.

03:12:10.320 That's the coolest thing about these questions is you can take them and riff off of them and go where you want on them. 0.86

03:12:15.420 And the Moscow mules help you do that, but they are not they are not essential to the process. 0.69

03:12:22.800 So I have seen cryptids. 0.79

03:12:32.560 Svon and I have talked about ghosts and stuff on here a number of times.

03:12:38.820 I'm not that guy like I'm not very.

03:12:45.420 I'm not one of those guys that has second sight that way.

03:12:53.620 I'm not one of those guys that is perceptive to those things.

03:13:01.260 And I think it's probably, I don't know, I'm not sensitive to a lot of things.

03:13:05.960 I smoke cheap cigars because I can't tell the difference between a cheap one and an expensive one.

03:13:10.440 Same with wines.

03:13:11.600 I can't tell the subtle notes of hickory and whatever.

03:13:19.120 No, it's got to hit me in the face with it.

03:13:21.360 The flavor's got to be very forward for me to taste it on other things.

03:13:25.860 We're the same.

03:13:26.660 It's similar to other stuff.

03:13:30.660 You know, my tolerance for anything is high.

03:13:33.680 It caused me a big problem as a much younger man when I started drinking is, you know,

03:13:39.620 I'd have to slam Everclear to try to keep up with everybody.

03:13:42.640 And by the time I knew I was there, I was still going and I peaked well beyond where I meant to.

03:13:48.580 So my tolerance for any of that stuff, I'm not super perceptive.

03:13:52.900 But I have been in situations where other people were very perceptive.

03:13:58.900 And they have suggested things going on around me in my presence that was really interesting.

03:14:05.940 it. I've experienced certainly metaphysical things during ritual. I don't know why this

03:14:14.560 comes to mind. It's not related to the question. It's just related to me being able to pick

03:14:18.680 up on some stuff, but I'll put it out there anyway, because it may be interesting. It

03:14:22.480 may not be. I was hunting for moose in Alaska with a friend of mine, and this was a really,

03:14:33.960 really interesting scary at the time but very interesting feeling

03:14:42.600 i was in an area we were hunting for moose and apparently bear were hunting for moose as well

03:14:51.400 my friend and i were in this super tall grass that was you know probably seven foot tall grass

03:14:58.520 and there was some areas through the grass that game had obviously gone through and the grass

03:15:03.160 was laid down and so we're following these game trails and we come upon this moose kill

03:15:08.760 that's relatively fresh and there's uh bear feces all over the place that also looks fresh

03:15:19.080 this moose is you know there's still some meat on it

03:15:21.640 and uh we couldn't see any but we could feel eyes on us and so we were we were locked and loaded

03:15:34.500 and you know creeping out of that spot but didn't see any but i guarantee you that there was some

03:15:42.700 some bears out there that were wondering what we were going to do with their moose kill

03:15:48.280 um that's the closest i've got to really getting that sense of something going on although

03:15:56.120 although one time

03:16:01.760 in alaska i was driving uh so i bounced for about 10 years so i'd work at really strange hours so

03:16:11.160 i was driving home and after we shut down the bar cleared the parking lot and then i was driving

03:16:15.440 about an hour home. It was five in the morning. And I saw this. My girlfriend at the time saw it

03:16:24.980 too. And it was really strange. We drove through this corner that I always felt strange driving

03:16:29.500 through. And we saw this dark haired girl in a nightgown walking down the road on the side of

03:16:40.460 road with no shoes on and it was really creepy enough to where we were both unsettled and when

03:16:47.500 we looked back she wasn't there when we googled about that area a lot of folks saw a lot of

03:16:55.740 different things in that area over time so it's the best i got i've had some ghost encounters but

03:17:04.940 uh i'm a lot like you to be honest with you you know it's it's strange because it's never black

03:17:11.340 and white right i just talked about night hags a while back you know earlier on in the conversation

03:17:16.540 you know just talked about my friend visiting me on the operating table when he was asleep

03:17:21.740 you know 300 miles away fully ready to accept that but uh the cool thing about um ghosts

03:17:30.700 is i you know i live in a pretty old house this is a historic town there was a revolutionary war

03:17:35.980 battle fought here and uh my house is just shy of 100 years old this it's right around 95 96 years

03:17:45.100 old when we first bought this place um we have a finished attic upstairs like so the attic is

03:17:51.020 finished like a bedroom uh the previous occupant had done a bunch of work do that to keep his

03:17:57.820 grandkids from keeping them up at night for whatever reason so my son moved into that room

03:18:03.180 first and you could open the windows up there and step right out into the roof right above the room

03:18:08.860 that i'm sitting in now and you got a pretty good panoramic view of the street that i live on

03:18:15.100 and so my son and his buddy were sitting on the rooftops not long after we bought the house and

03:18:21.740 was looking into the yard uh next to me looking in the backyard and uh they freaked they swore

03:18:29.980 they saw a little boy that was uh wearing like plus fours um i think i'm saying that right um

03:18:38.620 you know with the knickers and all that stuff uh and it was like you know i say people dress that

03:18:46.140 way from like you know during the 19 teens and then the 20s and when they went back out there

03:18:51.900 you know the kid was gone and uh now i've had all three of my children at one point or another have

03:18:58.700 occupied that space upstairs and right now it's my youngest daughter and they've all had some sort of

03:19:04.620 otherworldly experience up there and it's not terribly unusual for me to see something moving

03:19:10.940 out the corner of my eye and i could just assume it's the shadow of the fan blade or whatever you

03:19:16.380 know from the ceiling fan but we see that all the time here and there's been times we've seen uh the

03:19:24.140 the knobs on our bathroom door start trying to open themselves and i've got cats and all that

03:19:30.060 but you ever seen a cat try to open a door with a doorknob um so one night i was uh it was one of

03:19:37.580 one of those deals where the all sugar growth, he called me fairly late.

03:19:40.660 I realized he's three hours behind me. And in terms of time,

03:19:44.500 it was about 11 o'clock at night or whatever. And I'm,

03:19:48.600 I don't go to sleep all that early anyway.

03:19:51.080 So Matt calls me some order of business and I decided to get up and make me a

03:19:54.880 snack and click on the kitchen light and every drawer and every cabinet door

03:20:03.020 is open. And I'm not talking about like, they're all just like not shut.

03:20:07.580 I'm talking open for their maximum, you know, state.

03:20:12.000 Drawers pull all the way out.

03:20:13.700 Cabinet door swung wide open.

03:20:16.240 And I remember I was talking to Matt, and I just stopped talking.

03:20:20.660 You know, we were talking about whatever, and I didn't say nothing else.

03:20:24.480 Matt goes, are you still there?

03:20:25.380 I said, dude, you're not going to believe this.

03:20:27.320 And I hollered for my wife because my wife was much more in tune with that kind of thing.

03:20:34.000 And I'm telling you, the hair on the back of my neck stood up.

03:20:38.440 And I thought for a second that my little girl was playing a trick on me.

03:20:43.720 And I could tell when she's lying.

03:20:45.800 If you've got kids, you know when they're BSing you. 0.63

03:20:49.220 And she was really getting pissed at me because I said, come on, quit messing with me.

03:20:54.280 Dad, I'm telling you, it wasn't me.

03:20:56.940 So we closed everything up.

03:20:59.180 And that was my ghost story.

03:21:02.220 interesting fact about the word ghost it comes from the word geist and the it literally means

03:21:09.580 it means guest so it just means visitor um well i've got a couple of ghost stories from this

03:21:16.780 house but i'll share them at a later date but uh skeptical most of my life but i've seen some

03:21:22.780 things since i've lived here that i'm a believer so i'm glad you answered i'm glad you did that

03:21:28.860 because i didn't want to bust you out on it but i was gonna i was gonna mention it um

03:21:36.060 so we're having fun tonight talking about you know odd things but

03:21:47.260 i don't think these things are silly i think it's really

03:21:52.620 if we are going to believe in our gods if we're going to believe in their interaction with us

03:21:58.620 we're going to believe that we interact with our ancestors beyond the veil and we're going to

03:22:03.660 believe in land spirits then to be fair we need to open ourselves to some of these other experiences

03:22:14.300 and figure out if we can put meaning to them or if we can't a lot of them are probably silly and

03:22:22.860 nonsense some of them are meaningful and worth considering once we break off preconceptions of

03:22:31.900 what can and can't be and open ourselves to re-evaluating what we experience it's really

03:22:39.900 interesting and i think that even if a bunch of it's just silly nonsense it's worthwhile

03:22:48.620 mentally to examine them fairly as individual instances and learn what we can from the process.

03:23:00.800 I appreciate you guys. We have a lot of really good questions tonight. I think it's been a good

03:23:04.820 show. It's one of the longest of our hero shows, I think. Daniel, glad you're live. Glad you're

03:23:13.180 with us. Glad you're on the program tonight, and thank you for enlightening us about the Meister

03:23:19.360 and his life and things he brought to us. Look forward to having you on the next time we can.

03:23:28.680 Always welcome here on Victory Never Sleeps. For the rest of you guys, until next time,

03:23:35.420 hail the gods, hail the folk, hail the AFA, and remember that victory never sleeps.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - August 31, 2023

8⧸30⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 60 - Meister Guido von List

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