In this episode, we continue our discussion of the poem, "The slighting of Olav" by Olav the Viking, and how it plays a role in our faith. We also discuss some of the upcoming events happening at the House of the True Folk Assembly, and what you can do to get involved!
00:25:12.820It sounds dumb to say out loud because while it is profound to me
00:25:20.420when I thought about it, it should have been common sense all along,0.93
00:25:26.280and perhaps to some of you guys it is.
00:25:28.660To those that it's not, I wanted to mention,
00:25:31.240And so I've been. All right. So I mentioned, I don't know, four shows ago or whatnot, we had a one of the memorial graphics for a Goethe with the AFA who passed Thorgrin Odin.
00:25:52.900And he was, you know, foundational to the AFA. He has always been such an important part of just building the Outstreet Folk Assembly.
00:26:09.100um and also over the years uh he and his wife have become you know very close friends of mine
00:27:08.540So one of the fundamentals is that, okay, what I was going to say before that, on this,
00:27:15.200a lot of us believe in Ausatru when we start.
00:27:18.800Talk about believing in Ausatru, say we believe in Ausatru, but that initial stage of belief
00:27:24.620very often is more having faith than knowing, if that makes sense. You know, you come into it
00:27:36.500well-intentioned, you think you believe, you want to believe, you believe in believing,
00:27:43.220you make the mental leap that you're going to will that to be the case and you hope it is.
00:27:49.220But I've talked about that moment as a go-thee when all of a sudden somebody's eyes are like dinner plates and it's not a choice, it's not a question, it's not a concept.
00:28:03.160It is 100% undeniably real and, you know, how could you have ever possibly thought otherwise and you can't go back.
00:28:13.440So, and I've also talked about the experience I had at winter night with my grandmother.
00:34:44.280some of us deal a lot with people that we wish took this more seriously and so i think a
00:34:54.980disproportionate amount of focus is on people that you know were disappointed in a lack of something
00:35:02.900Or, you know, we focus more on problems than on the things that are going right.
00:35:10.380And it's really special and it's really a testament at this early stage of the reestablishment of our religion
00:35:23.000to have people that spend their entire adult life unwavering, loyal, and true to the Aesir
00:35:30.800to the end and beyond. And that's really special. And I am blessed to have known both of those men.
00:35:45.260Not that we haven't had other people that have lived true to the Aesir until they pass, but
00:35:50.320So the two of our Gothar that have passed so far, I got to know both of them, one of them very, very briefly, and Thorgrim, I was lucky enough to get to know quite a bit better, and I'm a better man for it.
00:36:04.600So, with that, we are, if you did not join last week, or even if you did and you don't remember, we are going with the Bellows translation.
00:41:04.980the dweller in the fens the the one who lives in the swamps um the edge walker the uh the the one
00:41:13.500that dwells between the the roots and the shadows um and he here he says he's by the mouth of the
00:41:19.400river by the by the uh estuary it also is worth mentioning in another story fenrir is mentioned
00:41:26.680as being at a lake the black lake and um the the general consensus of this is that it is it it's a
00:41:37.240uh like a lake or a spring without reaching pieces and that that's one of the concepts we talk a lot
00:41:44.520about at thorsoff with um the poison dripping from fenris's mouth and it exudes through a liminal
00:41:52.760space and can actually bleed into our world that the uh the venom and the hunger and the the um
00:42:02.360the vitriol of fenris's cursing his his uh stain on creation passes now through his his spittle
00:42:15.640his spit and it uh it infects the minds of many folk um so i just thought that was interesting
00:42:24.440because again river lake and you you get some of these little inconsistencies but i think people
00:42:31.080get caught up on them without considering like a lake or a body of water with rivers flowing out
00:42:39.880from it um loki returns in 42 and he says the daughter of gimir with gold didst thou buy
00:42:51.480and sold thy sword to boot but when must spell sons through mirkwood ride thou shalt weaponless
00:43:00.120wait poor wretch so here he's speaking about the fact he's making the insult your your wife your
00:43:10.920bride you bought her you paid for her love and in doing so you also gave up your sword and
00:43:18.920it's worth noting in scareness ball that the mentioning of giving the sword is not fully
00:43:25.480you know taken upon he is given the sword but it is there's never a moment in the poem where
00:43:31.800he has to relinquish the sword of of uh lord fray to um uh
00:43:38.840so that may be a the possibility of another poem gone uh but it is generally understood
00:43:50.300understood that in order for the holy fray to link with gerder one of the oust veneer
00:43:58.600he had to give up his sword and in particular the the interesting part is giving up his sword to
00:44:05.140forces outside perhaps even to the jotuns in some way or a sacrifice of some sort that makes it so
00:44:14.900it's no longer in the possession of the gods, even though Gerder remains with him. So very
00:44:23.940interesting. Another part here, when the sons of Muspel, when Muspel's sons. So Muspel is, a lot of
00:44:32.360people don't know about the translation of this word, Muspel. Generally people take it as
00:44:38.200uh, destruction or, um, what is it? Conflagration. Um, but this, this thing,
00:44:46.780it's only time that Muspel is ever referred to often outside of just the creation's, uh, story
00:44:54.660is about Muspel's sons or the kinfolk or the children of, of the Muspel. And Muspel is not
00:45:02.260a being it is a place so it'd be like saying you know the sons and daughters of uh of britain or
00:45:12.280what have you um and the last part here too is through mirkwood ride so the general idea when
00:45:20.780we talk about cosmology is that the world is united all the worlds are kind of like lenses
00:45:29.700that overlay on top of each other so the difference between passing through the veil is the blink of
00:45:37.060an eye but it is also a long road and that is um i think one thing that when we when we have a lot
00:45:45.520of people from religions that are built around mortals and they're built around uh mankind
00:45:52.640and they built around logos or and logic that's been affected um they try to logically explain
00:46:01.160certain things to the point where they end up deteriorating the magic of mythos in and of itself
00:46:06.980um the so in this case here one of the things about must spell heim is that it's beyond the
00:46:18.860wood of murkiness and it it's beyond the a place of darkness so it's another kind of boundary lined
00:46:28.700it's not necessarily a garther or a mountain or a wall and it is not a liminal space but a place
00:46:37.580that is deadly to traverse so it is held away uh with enough of a distance that it's not something
00:46:46.380that just is done easily and mirkwood is mentioned quite a few times as being that that dark and and
00:46:55.980you know dangerous boundary between the the primordial realms and the you know the the two
00:47:04.380primordial realms that we're speaking of are muspelheim and niflheim but niflheim is unique
00:47:10.140because it is completely, uh, strewn with liminal space. Muspelheim, there is nothing that can live
00:47:18.420there but the sons and daughters of Muspelheim because of its, um, potence and heat and, uh,
00:47:27.860just the severity of that, of that, that, uh, place. So you never see much more, uh, of any
00:47:36.680given acknowledgement to Muspel after the creation because of that. But everywhere else is given
00:47:45.060great heed. And our ancestors generally saw Muspelheim as being that place that's just so
00:47:53.000far away. It's beyond the never-ending forest, if you will, of darkness, is kind of what Mirkwood
00:48:00.500is. Um, and when they come, uh, across there, uh, you shall be weaponless. And of course,
00:48:11.100if anybody has read the Guild for Guinea or, um, the, uh, there is a knowing that it's,
00:48:18.320it's there that Lord, the Holy Frey, the Lord meets, uh, uh, uh, Sutter, Sutter, the, the,
00:48:27.900the burning one, the, the, uh, the, the, the leader of the Sons of Muspel. He meets him in
00:48:33.980battle and they join together and slay each other. And he only has a, uh, an antler, a sharpened
00:48:42.260antler to, um, do the, to, to commit to the fight while, um, Hurtur has a sword. So, uh, there's,
00:48:53.700there's clearly a power differentiation there and he's kind of in the poem he's somewhat
00:49:00.900hinting towards that but doesn't fully say it because again meter and making sure that the poem
00:49:06.740fits so speaking up now is is big veer and the way that the double g sound is kind of like almost
00:49:17.620like a k beak uh you might see this also like with the traitorous king olaf trick for son it has a
00:49:28.900double g sound which ends up being like a gk so big fear speaks in 43 and this is where he references
00:49:38.340the holy fray in a very older name um which lends to the fact that the poets or and the storytellers
00:49:46.100knew this name as well um in 43 had i birthed so famous as ingunar frere and sat in so lofty a seat0.69
00:50:00.180i would crush to marrow this croaker of ill and beat all his body to bits so big fear is is a
00:50:08.820servant of the holy fray and he is one of three that we clearly know of and the elevated position0.99
00:50:18.740of a of a soul of a folk person who's so dedicated becomes a servant of one of their
00:50:27.700the holy the holy house or alcenia that they have had so much uh time with or or maybe perhaps even
00:50:35.460Even just the buildup over time with the holy divine being is lending to that they go with, they accompany some of the holy gods.
00:50:50.680And it's generally extended to most of the gods, but it's not often mentioned in the stories.
00:50:58.860So I like to really point that out, that just because it's not emphasized with all the gods does not make it not so.
00:51:10.280and here this is uh one of the the elevated one of the um adorned um servants um and whether or
00:51:21.540not he is or once was mortal or of of the alpha we don't know but um i think it is very interesting
00:51:30.200when you look at him and skirner as well so um he says you know if i had been of such high birth
00:51:38.220as ingunafre. Now, that in and of itself is a little, possibly a misspelling by the person who,
00:51:49.720just the person writing it down may have gotten off on either the spelling or as it was annotated
00:52:05.100and collected, that was, you know, the name that was used. So they're either sticking entirely to
00:52:12.660or are completely off. And we don't quite know. We do know that the name Yngwie Frey is of more
00:52:22.160substance. So generally people think that this is a miswriting of the Yngwie or maybe a different
00:52:32.440um pronunciation and understanding of it um and you know he's saying yes i i would
00:52:41.860i would just get up and crush so he's trying to goad his master uh the holy fray into just
00:52:48.960getting up and crushing loki and getting it all over with and loki speaks back in 41 he says
00:52:58.280what little creature goes crawling there, snuffling and snapping about at Frey's ear ever?
00:53:08.720Will thou be found or muttering hard at the mill?
00:53:14.060So again, who pulled your string kind of comment and retort. And again, remember,
00:53:21.280this is a great way for us to see our ancestors talking about their poetic battles and how
00:53:28.460jibes and insults were kind of levied at each other on a regular sense. So, I mean, he, you
00:53:38.260know, he says like, you know, what is this little worm like running around, you know, sniffing and0.86
00:53:45.000and grubbing at his master's ear. Um, and, and the last part there, he says, you know, you're,
00:53:51.000you're always kind of at the corner of, of, of his ear, but, um, or, or will you be found
00:53:57.800muttering at the mill? And, and that one really is, um, the, the work of the commoner, the,
00:54:04.800the churlish work. So are you either, you know, muttering, um, your master's ear,
00:54:10.640you just muttering about while you do your menial work and so another job towards his his position
00:54:20.720and big bear speaks in 45 a retort and he says big beer is my name and nimble am i
00:54:29.280as gods and men do grant and here i am i proud that the children of fruct together all drink
00:54:39.840ale of course this is uh cropped is a a reference towards lord oven and all the ice here but that he
00:54:47.920is brought forth as a elevated soul and again i think this leans more towards the fact that
00:54:58.080he may have once been mortal and that he was of high renown um and high faith and troth with lord
00:55:06.080or the holy fray and was given the benefit of being drawn up that third route um through uh
00:55:14.800the the third well and his soul was placed in heaven ascendancy beyond death and um was given
00:55:24.880this this title and the benefit of being able to dine and sit with the holy gods and i think that
00:55:33.520if this is being written and then being perceived by that audience i i think it's worth considering
00:55:39.200that our our ancestors the audience understood that understood that there was the ability to rise
00:55:46.720above and that it wasn't necessarily based on um you know needing to die like in battle but that
00:55:54.960you you know with lord ovin you were chosen and also post-mortem that your deeds are rewarded
00:56:04.160after to be brought up into the heavenly realm um so i think that this uh
00:56:13.840you know this part here is pretty straightforward i mean nimble and and uh
00:56:18.640uh, uh, nimbleness is often, I will say this much, the nimbleness thing, if you notice some
00:56:27.360of the rune carvings on rocks, there are many, uh, references to being nimble, wily,
00:56:36.420very hard to catch. There have been many people in modern age that have tried to turn this into
00:56:42.080some sort of degenerate innuendo but i think that it is again a reference to
00:56:50.960the viability of not being able to be hit i think it was also most likely very important from
00:56:56.960those rune stones that were written were most likely written by uh folks that were in central
00:57:02.640europe and probably under the employ of the uh the empire and they had moved northward back in
00:57:09.280And they were always remarked as being able to run as fast as horses, not having to wear armor, but only carry a shield. And so again, the swiftness of a warrior was a huge kind of flexing point. Strength was very much so, but also too was cunning and cleverness and your swiftness and agility.
00:57:35.140so let's see we're on 46. loki speaks back 46. be silent big veer thou never could set their
00:57:50.100shares of the meat for men hidden the straw on the floor they found thee not when harrow when heroes
00:57:56.740were feigned to fight. So he tells them to be quiet. You could never, ever measure out
00:58:05.840correctly the feasts of men. And this seems to be very much a localized idea that if there was
00:58:16.960a servant who gave large portions to some and small portions to another was seen as a bad
00:58:25.000trait and um and then more so the fact that when heroes go out to fight
00:58:34.360he hides in the straw in the corners and and under you know just happens to
00:58:41.880cover himself up or crawl under a bench when when the fighting starts
00:58:47.560so clearly he's he's uh calling him a coward
00:58:55.000let's pause one second to recognize gw farnsworth once again coming through with generosity buying
00:59:04.220us five coffees that's 25 donation thank you we appreciate that um also because he's asked a
00:59:12.100couple of times now one of our folk builders in state of washington aaron simbeck excited for
00:59:19.200upcoming frayers harvest feast wants to know swan are you and i attending
00:59:26.080uh this is in september 20th to 22nd uh in montana
00:59:35.760uh no i will not be attending at as actually i think with fair reason
00:59:43.040i think that is the weekend that our uh bloat falls on at thor's off yes weekend that most of
00:59:54.000the uh hops are doing their uh winter finding bloat but that said aaron i am looking at it
01:00:02.880right now i've been talking back and forth with mandy on text to try to figure out if it's
01:00:06.960something doable something i wanted to do and i'd like to try to arrange and see if see if i can make
01:00:13.440happen so i don't want to give you my word on it yet until i know a little bit better even if i
01:00:19.180were to give you my word it has the asterisks just because we saw what happened to me last month
01:00:23.780trying to get to uh siggerheim um but yeah we're looking into it right now i'd love to i'd love to
01:00:29.700to so i i'm very much thinking about it yeah and i would love to get out to montana um and see the
01:00:37.220good folks out there and uh want to you know big kindred out there um i i got to meet a lot of
01:00:44.500good folks and a lot of folks from california that moved over into montana um that was a wild
01:00:50.500that was a great summer that was the time i got to meet thorgrun and i i can't say that i know
01:00:55.220thorgan well i've only i've met him um you know and and and ryan and a lot of the folks that moved
01:01:03.060to montana so i would love to get out there and uh yeah but that's that said just because it's
01:01:12.660quick and it's quick to answer uh rover asks how many members does the afa have
01:01:17.860uh if he has got 755 members as of this moment
01:01:25.220with that let's get back to let's get back to the story that blows my mind how much we achieve with
01:01:35.060with uh that core strong base of of uh membership and um also too just how easy it is for folks to
01:01:45.940come on here and just ask questions and well and so here other than that um while we're on it i
01:02:12.280If you're a heterosexual white person, this is the place for you.
01:02:17.880And I would encourage you to join and be part of what we're doing.0.66
01:02:22.180We're able to accomplish a whole lot together and even more so if you and the folks you know decide they want to join and get involved with what we're doing.
01:02:34.240So please think about that and encourage others that you may know that this is where they should be.
01:02:40.700Help bring them home. That's our mission in the AFA.
01:02:43.400way, it's what we're striving to do, and we would love your help in accomplishing it.
01:02:48.840So it's something to think about. And with that, let's get back to the Lucasina.
01:02:56.900All right. So after he kind of jibes at Beekvir, finally, so Heimdottler steps in, and it's
01:03:13.380an interesting point here because um it start the the poem starts to shift into the unknown as in
01:03:28.180the participants of the poem the gods are speaking of things that are in other in context elsewhere
01:03:37.700and uh if you were to look at chronological time frames um it it if you try to attempt
01:03:45.460to logically string it out uh this is happening this is foretelling if you will um but also too
01:03:55.060for those that don't know in ragnarok heim dotler is the one that fights against loki
01:04:02.420and they meet head on and a lot of folks might not know why but there is there is a long-standing
01:04:11.040rivalry between the most wiliest and uh unpinnable and cunning and and slippery versus the stalwart
01:04:21.020one um that remains true in into his uh his position the one that hears all on who hears us
01:04:31.540now uh i try to remind myself that all the time um and uh this kind of kind of shows a little bit
01:04:41.300but not i not nearly enough as i think it should be but um heimdall speaks and he says uh drunk
01:04:49.540thou art thou art drunk art thou loki and mad are thy deeds why loki leavest thou this not
01:04:59.700for drink beyond measure will lead all men no thought of their tongues to take so
01:05:09.380why don't you know you're drunk and why don't you leave and i think that that's a really important
01:05:14.740thing to context with the idea of it's being spoken as if this is something that's being
01:05:23.700passed on to the audience if you're drunk and you have no um word of your mind of your tongue um
01:05:32.500you can get yourself into a lot of trouble and it is better to leave and go home and
01:05:38.820and not make poor decisions and clearly this is far beyond that as far as reading the entirety
01:05:45.780of the story but it's the point it's the message that's being transferred here um and that drunk
01:05:52.100men pay no thought to their tongues and often get themselves in trouble so leave now and no harm
01:06:01.780um you know will come to you this is again really redundant considering as they mention
01:06:10.180what's coming and what will happen but it is a heim heim doppler is in essence filling the the
01:06:20.020the uh the file or the thuler's chair he's filling that that role as the thuler and he is
01:06:29.620saying you know you should leave now before you mar your your honor um again kind of interesting
01:06:37.940that it's placed here uh instead of not maybe earlier but uh and loki speaks in 48 he says be
01:06:46.180silent heimdall in days long sense was an evil fate for thee fixed with back held stiff must thou
01:06:55.380ever stand as the water of heaven to watch and this of course lends to um and the placement of
01:07:06.980lord heimdaller as being the water of heaven and i think that this speaks more to the unification
01:07:14.980between the isir and the vanir and where they become whole is that the entirety of
01:07:24.740the sanctity of the the uh the gods in ausgarther
01:07:30.820will be left in the hands of a vanir and that lord handel is given that point but loki tries
01:07:38.420to make that point that it it's a it's a static position uh that's more of a punishment than it is
01:07:46.180a duty or an honor um and i i you know i found that that stanza to be quite interesting but um
01:07:56.420there's no retort and i really wish there was i would love to to hear that uh but no it shifts
01:08:03.460again um as this poem does and um i think that you know heimdallar meeting loki i guess is the
01:08:14.420best retort for a lot of the the foulness that um has been laid but that bestowment of giving
01:08:22.660the honor of of protecting um ausgarther in heaven is truly one of the i think the the big uh points
01:08:31.620of creating that unification between the Aesir and the Vanir to make them all Aesir.
01:08:41.860So the the Austvanir Skavi speaks up and she says
01:08:49.300light are thou Loki but longer though mayest not in freedom flourish thy tale
01:08:55.940On the rocks, the gods bind thee with the bowels torn forth from thy frost-cold sun.
01:09:05.740So now this is where it lays the point forward.
01:09:11.520Is this a proclamation of what will be done?
01:09:14.000Or is this a, the poem itself is merely lending to an understanding of other poems and what has been said.
01:09:24.220um this i i have a tendency to believe that it's more of that case the poem is linking itself to
01:09:33.400other poems it's uh establishing itself here and now that uh that loki will be bound and will be
01:09:43.080bound by the entrails of his own son and we spoke a little bit about that while the balancing of
01:09:50.520that situation was happening. See, Loki is a kinslayer. His blood brother, who is the high
01:09:59.380one, Lord Odin, he slays or he facilitates the slaying of his brother's son. So to make it
01:10:10.940fulfillable or correct in its in its equalization his son too must die not him
01:10:20.160but his son and so the gods then reach that balancing point um
01:10:27.420and if for uh those that don't know i mean his son the cold frost cold sun or
01:10:34.260the the one who is cold from death is narvi n-a-r-f-i narvi and um there is an interesting
01:10:46.720point about that that i wanted to cover too later on with some of the something else that's spoken
01:10:51.040about uh in relation to the two sons and the mistake that again another kind of um written
01:10:59.680mistake about the confusion of Loki's other son. And the general consensus is that this is a mistake
01:11:11.820in writing that it was Loki's son, not Odin's son. And because we already know and established
01:11:20.320through Rindr, that Vaoli is Odin's son, and he is enacting the punishment, and that him becoming
01:11:31.720a wolf isn't a punishment upon him, but a facilitation of what he needs to do. Having,
01:11:38.020you know, your son ripped to shreds by a god turned into a form that you are affiliated with
01:11:46.340this kind of the mockery in there, um, that the gods are throwing back at him. Um, in 50,
01:11:55.340Loki speaks and he says, though on the rocks, the gods bind me with bowels torn forth from my frost
01:12:03.020cold sun i was first and last at the deadly fight there where thiazzy we caught so
01:12:16.300by timeline sense the binding hasn't happened he did not break out of his
01:12:21.180binds to come do this and then he's going to go back and re-tie himself to the rock um
01:12:25.820Um, but that the ending jab here that he points out is specifically for the Oostvenyr Skadi
01:12:35.460because her father and the slaying of Fiazi by the gods that prompted her to come forth.
01:23:37.600so now the the uh the storm father himself enters in and and begins with the same line
01:23:48.880unmanly one cease or the mighty hammer mjolnir shall close thy mouth thy shoulder cliff shall
01:23:56.640i cleave from thy neck and so shall thy life be lost shoulder cliff of course is a kenning for0.96
01:24:04.480the head i will knock your head straight off your shoulders and loki speaks in 58 oh lo0.97
01:24:13.360in has come the son of the earth why threaten so loudly thor less fierce thou shalt go0.99
01:24:20.320to fight with the wolf when he swallows sig father up
01:24:26.640So here is, he's stating, you know, one very important thing is that we clearly look at the Stormfather as being a child of Lord Odin and Yarth, the earth, and he is of the heavens and of the earth.
01:24:52.600he is of the the ouse and the wane if you will he is the perfect embodiment of that alignment
01:25:01.460of cosmic order and natural law when those two come together thor is the product of this
01:25:09.220and loki says you will be less fierce to talk when it comes time for ragnarok
01:25:15.260and thor speaks in 59 unmanly one cease or the mighty hammer mjolnir shall close thy mouth
01:25:23.600i shall hurl thee up and out in the east where men shall see thee no more i shall throw you0.86
01:25:32.620into the depths of of the east or of jotunheim uh to where no one shall see you again and loki0.95
01:25:41.080speaks 60 that thou has fared on the east road forth to men shouldst thou say no more
01:25:49.880in the thumb of a glove did you hide thou great one and there forgot who thou wast thor
01:25:59.720so this is again a reference to another poem that we have legitimately and this is of course
01:26:06.200where the Stormfather is going to Jotunheim and encounters a great Jotun named Skrimir.
01:26:17.180And he is so huge that Lord Thor hides in his glove, thinking that it was a cave.
01:26:27.500so this is another um stanza that really kind of sticks out and re-emphasizes that this poem
01:26:37.020is about exchanging knowledge between the poet and perhaps other poets in the audience
01:26:43.160and that it's not necessarily uh structured around um the the legitimacy of the exchange itself um
01:26:53.400so he uh let's see here he at 60 to 61. so here is the final
01:27:05.220uh thor speaks again unmanly one cease or the mighty hammer mjolnir will close thy mouth
01:27:13.880my right hand shall smite thee with hrungnir slayer till all thy bones are broken prongnir
01:27:21.380slayer of course is mjolnir another kenning um uh the bane of rungnir is how it's referred to0.96
01:27:32.900in the old norse um and loki speaks in 62 a long time still do i think to live
01:27:42.820thou though threatenest thus with thy hammer rough seem the straps of screamer's wallet
01:27:51.180when thy meat though mightiest not get and faint from hunger didst feel so he says i think i'll
01:28:00.660live quite a long time as long as i i see fit um and you still threaten with your hammer even
01:28:07.600though and again this is another reference to that same story in which he tries to wake screamer up
01:28:15.040and he uh tries to open the simple pouch that has all of their provisions in it and because
01:28:21.680the giant was so big he tied it so tight that the storm father couldn't even open it
01:28:28.480and of course anybody that's familiar with that story knows that this is of course
01:28:31.600uh a a huge thing that this is this isn't a pouch this isn't a glove but that he's you know
01:28:39.640when he attempts to slay this giant he's creating you know valleys and uh canyons and when he tries
01:28:48.800to pull apart the uh the the strings he he's ripping us under tracks of land and things like
01:28:55.840that. Um, all under the guise by magic. It's a great story. And I know we'll be covering that
01:29:03.100eventually. So, um, Thor speaks in 63, unmanly one cease or the mighty hammer Mjolnir shall close
01:29:13.300thy mouth. The slayer of Frungnir shall send thee to hell and down to the gates of death.0.98
01:29:20.840um a couple of things here too i mean of course he's repeating these lines these often happen
01:29:29.240in order to maintain meter especially when there's an extension of the poem or there's a
01:29:34.600need to extend it um you'll notice these lines being spoken again uh and of course the slayer
01:29:41.580from near ismiel near um but he's saying you you will find yourself going to hell uh to to the
01:29:52.940the land of the dead and or to the world of the realm of the dead um
01:30:00.940because hell in itself was also referred as a state of being there was not just the fact that
01:30:09.980it is her hell the one who presides over the calamity of mankind the and in all things really
01:30:18.540that just the the deterioration um but that the souls of both gods and men fall into that place0.53
01:30:28.060away from time and this you know entails also jotens so balder is there and received well and
01:30:38.620And he's saying, no, I'm going to send you there.
01:30:41.680And he doesn't speak, you know, about his reception at all.
01:30:47.100But the idea is that nothing truly dies in our faith and in our understanding of the cosmology, but that we move.
01:30:57.900And the essence of the descriptors of hell and the death of it is because death is that.
01:31:07.040the hell blow, the coloring of the body, the being cold and in the ground, but also stepping
01:31:15.380away from the gods and stepping away from time and order into a place that has, it does not have
01:31:26.580so much rule. And the idea is that once you pass into this place, it's incumbent upon you
01:31:32.720to make sure that you latch on to the order. And that order is your ancestors, that you
01:31:39.980are not denied by them. Because if you are, then you're flung out into the millstrom of
01:31:46.000nifl hell and all that that pertains to. No, but if you go and you're accepted by your ancestors,
01:31:55.260You're taken in by them. Then you have the ability to be protected and held firmly and, you know, celebrated and that you may also to elevate. But outside of that, you'll be the lonesome and the one that, you know, trails the road and crosses the rivers and faces the Vargar on the other side or Nidagar, the serpent, the soul of Ymir.
01:32:25.260And so Loki speaks, I have said to the gods and the sons of the god, the thing that whetted my thoughts, but before thee alone do I now go forth, for thou fightest well, I wean.
01:32:43.800And so he's basically saying, I have said what I needed to say to the gods and to Thor, the son of the gods, who is Lord Odin, the things that have been, you know, wetting his mind.
01:33:00.560And before he, he figures now he shall go because everyone here has given a good fight against his, his jibing.
01:33:09.980Another, this is another stanza emphasizing that this poem was built structurally and purposely outside of explaining divine providence or explaining the goings about of the gods interacting with the other worlds.
01:33:31.980This one really, in my opinion, has one of the lowest kind of standings because of its constant linking to other poems for the sake, I think, of passing that knowledge.
01:33:45.040and he ends um in 65 he says ale hast thou brewed but i are now such feasts shalt thou make no more
01:33:55.420over all that thou hast which is here within shall pass shall play the flickering flame
01:34:03.180and thy back shall be burnt with fire so not long will you have to hold all of this
01:34:12.700The end will come soon and everything that you hold dear will be burned.
01:34:18.260And you will be burned as well in your betrayal, you know, by joining with the gods.
01:34:26.900And after that, Loki hid himself in Fragnang's waterfall in the guise of a salmon.
01:38:02.300a solvent as opposed to a coagulant like it dissolves it uh yeah it burns away it eats away
01:38:11.020and it dissolves we see that motif of the idea of poison not just being something that is
01:38:18.460like you drink it and it's toxic but also that it it has a like acidic dissolving dissolution effect
01:38:26.940a question from go ahead i was going to bring up a point about uh about sig sigin
01:38:42.620while you're doing it uh the question that i saw was that sarah was asking
01:38:48.140you know how much do we know about her and how she came to marry moved
01:38:53.180uh so there is no mentioning of her outside of this particular
01:39:04.460these parameters there is no mention of um sigian and her origins um
01:39:13.740and so you know we we know that her her name means uh companion of victory or uh you know
01:39:20.700the the the one who holds uh victory um and again she is more enigmatic than uh even the the the
01:39:33.180misplacement of vauly and narvi where narvi is described as being the that which binds
01:39:40.140Loki and that the, you know, Vowli is also the sun. There's a huge amount of kind of
01:39:51.420mistakes surrounding that. Sigyn is never mentioned as being an Aus or being an Alvar or an Ascendant
01:40:05.500um though i don't know you know i don't think that uh loki would have the power to
01:40:12.220take ascendancy from the lower realms but that perhaps it was gifted uh to him uh by the gods
01:40:21.180but there's no mention of it and um you know the i think more so it there is the the point of
01:40:34.620her dedication uh to her oath as a wife more so than um
01:40:46.540who she is and it i think it it fits more a point of showing the greater tragedy the idea
01:40:56.140especially in telling the story is that you know the audience would would even hit further
01:41:02.860knowing that the malice of loki even affects those who cannot unbind themselves from
01:41:11.260you know their their their obligation of of marriage um even though yes again divorce was
01:41:19.100you know a common thing but or not common but understood thing and then you know there's no
01:41:26.900mention of uh loki you know taking her on except you know but there's plenty of him you know sleeping
01:41:34.340with angrabola and and just being generally degenerate in all directions um so
01:41:45.220this is kind of the tragedy of it is that comparatively to loki siguen cuts herself as an
01:41:52.260opposite character um and that i think builds the tragedy of nobility being affected by um
01:42:03.620treachery and and the cunning people and people that
01:42:07.060that cut their loyalty with those people and then have to go down with the ship if you will um
01:42:13.060Um, but yes, outside of that, nothing. Um, she is mentioned in a couple of poems,
01:42:24.940uh, the Gilfoginning, Skeltsgarpismal. Um, there's also kind of a really obscure,
01:42:31.600uh, ninth century, which is, which is older and the burden of Siggins' arms is mentioned. Um,
01:42:40.480and she's also on a stone uh or at least it's believed that it is her um because there's a
01:42:46.800character uh bound and there is a woman holding a like a moon-shaped shell over the face of that
01:42:57.680character so that's pretty you know straightforward but that's in england and i think that that's
01:43:04.960interesting because it shows that this the the faith of ausa through and the stories uh traveled
01:43:12.400with the um the northmen on multiple waves coming into england enough to the point where it was
01:43:21.680transcribed on uh statuary and things like that um and interestingly enough crosses um
01:43:31.600that's a whole nother kind of like thought process there but i think that
01:43:38.080if anything to me sigyon is the last vestige of his orderliness the spirit of his orderliness
01:43:48.640is now forced to uh suffer along with her uh his devotion um
01:43:57.360Um, but I can't say too much because we don't know, uh, the origins of Sigyn and, uh, she's not listed really as an, uh, as an Ausseigneur or an Ausseigneur, but seen again as bound in the same fate, the noble side that must suffer the treachery of the other side.
01:44:22.420yeah this is really the only she's mentioned a bunch of times a bunch of places but always
01:44:30.700in reference to this one incident you know of her you know she's mentioned as
01:44:38.660like referenced as a kenning like sigan's husband to mean loki or or whatnot but any of the story
01:44:49.080behind her is just that, you know, she bore children for him, and she prevents his face
01:45:00.820from getting burned by the venom as best she can for eternity, and that devotion is
01:45:10.140not to be overlooked that's uh i don't know an interest certainly an interesting something to
01:45:19.660think about about this person who is tied by by oath and by by loyalty to this
01:45:29.900rather wretched individual but maintains that loyalty like eternally trying to
01:45:37.580you know take care of them the best you can um and i mean i think we've all seen that in the world
01:45:47.520the the long-suffering wife of of you know people who for very i mean we see it in various different
01:45:56.380situations but you know people who are incarcerated people who are other things and you have people
01:46:01.480that spend their entirety of their time in unadvantageous circumstances trying to do the
01:46:11.280right thing by commitments that they've made. And so Siggins is a very tragic character in that sense.
01:46:19.760It is a testament to her that the one thing that we do have to know her by
01:50:59.900If we can help with that, we would love to.
01:51:03.720Whatever you decide, know that homeschooling is, and I say this, this is if you're in the United States, different countries have different rules.
01:59:00.480that would embrace loki worship just because they choose to express their edgelordness
01:59:08.720within our cosmology doesn't make the mouse a true any more than a satanist and i don't mean
01:59:18.480like a esoteric satanist even though they might fall in this category as well but the kids that
01:59:25.480are like look at me worship the devil they function in the same cosmology as christianity
01:59:33.400or judaism they're not christians there's not they don't have the pretense that they are
01:59:41.640we're not yet at a point in our faith where some people realize that is self-evident um
01:59:48.360Um, but yeah, another thing by, if you run into folks that are low-key worshippers, 100% of the time in my personal experience, you don't have to dig very deeply to see the trauma and ill health of their own life and their own existence.
02:00:19.160they are very folks that worship the forces of chaos whether they fully believe in them or not
02:00:26.280invite that into their life in in a way and it is always unhealthy and it is usually very very
02:00:35.720evident how unhealthy it is and so i think that's worth i think that's worth thinking
02:00:43.720um we just have two more uh questions that have popped up on the side
02:00:48.360A quick question. Would the AFA publish an official AFA book of prayers? Since we only have the recorded prayer in our lore, do we not write new ones?