Asatru Folk Assembly - 8⧸7⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 109 - Lokasenna, Part 2

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00:03:00.000 greetings everyone uh

00:03:14.960 we're uh we're running a little behind with the house here ago they're showing up so i'm gonna

00:03:19.200 kind of um flagship this uh intro here uh for anybody that is just watching we are doing a part

00:03:30.160 two to the locusenna the um the the slighting or the the jibing of uh loki towards the holy

00:03:41.600 icier um and kind of the complexities of that um poem if you want to follow along we are using the

00:03:49.200 bellows translation and you can find that at valospow.org um slash loki senna and um we chose

00:04:00.800 that particular translation because of its unique artistic um feel and also to the access through

00:04:12.960 that website and specifics is very very good and and relatively consistent with very little typos

00:04:19.360 though we will run into some and ivy you know i've even seen some from before and i think uh

00:04:24.240 tonight you know i was looking ahead at trying to catch up where we were at and i i noticed some so

00:04:29.840 bear that in mind but yeah we will be talking about the legitimacy of the poem we'll be talking

00:04:36.000 about um the purpose of the poem and what it plays within our faith and in our religion um

00:04:44.480 as well as you know perhaps its poetic purposes and so on and so forth but before we get into

00:04:50.880 that let's go ahead and cover some of the uh important news we've got so much going on in

00:04:57.840 the house of true folk assembly every month multiple places and if you ever want to find out

00:05:03.440 what we're doing what you really need to do is go and look on the calendar and the calendar is on

00:05:08.320 runestone.org you can go up there and find almost any given day numerous events depending on where

00:05:15.920 you're at and what you might be interested in if you're not a member and you want to come in and

00:05:21.200 attend an event what you got to do is you got to reach out to your local folk builder and again

00:05:25.920 you can find that on runestone.org um so you find your local folk builder and you you know link up

00:05:33.280 with them find out what's going on in your area meet up bring out your family um there's all

00:05:39.760 kinds of things from hike moots to um bowling moots i've seen i've seen axe tossing moots

00:05:48.560 and a moot you know general a meeting a meeting of of like-minded people i've seen pub moots and

00:05:54.880 just it depends on what's available for the folks around there and the folk builders usually

00:06:00.400 spearheading that to make sure that they can get people together and kind of get a feel for

00:06:06.720 everyone and um you'll get to see you know more also through in your community and um hopefully

00:06:13.440 move forward into becoming a member and joining our church and you know again spreading the the

00:06:21.600 vigil of our folk coming home to the native faith of their people and uh i can't emphasize it enough

00:06:29.680 i'll be i will actually be hosting quite a few things here um throughout virginia so if you're

00:06:35.200 in the virginia area uh not just in the east coast but um all throughout um out in uh the western

00:06:43.040 part of virginia near lynchburg i'll be out there and then i'll be up near um fredericksburg so i'm

00:06:48.720 all over. And, um, again, you can reach out to me or the, uh, any of the folk builders from

00:06:54.760 Thorshoff or just Thorshoff in general. Um, but you can also reach out through me to me on my,

00:07:00.740 uh, email, which is S Harrell at runestone dot or, or at runestone dot org. Yes. That was

00:07:11.140 anyways. So yeah, reach out to me. You want to email me, uh, you can also email me questions,

00:07:17.160 anything you guys, uh, you know, ever want to discuss or talk about, or, you know,

00:07:22.440 clarifications or intriguing things, or even disagreements, I'll take them. You know, um,

00:07:27.920 I enjoy the discourse. I enjoy the ability to, to talk and to do things, or, you know, you can,

00:07:35.200 you can find me on Twitter at, um, uh, go the underscore Svan at, on X. Um, and I, I love

00:07:46.300 just being able to talk to people. Um, so anyways, back to what we're doing, we've got a ton of

00:07:54.320 stuff. Um, so we got Frey Faxi, um, is coming in August. That will be at Baldershof, August 16th

00:08:03.160 through the 18th. It's going to be awesome. There's going to be a lot of folks that are

00:08:07.100 making it out there. I really wish I could make it out there. I had a lot of intention to make

00:08:12.660 it out there, but scheduling wise and doing some of the stuff here in Virginia has kind of

00:08:18.200 gotten that. But as we go, I'm definitely going to be making one of these events that I'm going

00:08:26.800 to be talking about, but there's going to be a lot of great people there. And I give anybody

00:08:31.040 Anybody who's in the Central Corridor, definitely try to make it to Freyfaxi, try to make it to Baldershof.

00:08:36.540 This is a chance for you to meet people from the East Coast, from the West Coast, and really just get a chance to see a lot of people.

00:08:44.860 And the best part, too, is the local area, the ability to get, like, hotel rooms, things like that, super easy.

00:08:53.260 And if you have any problems with that, just reach out to a folk builder.

00:08:55.700 They can help you out.

00:09:01.040 we are joined by i was just going over the dates on uh on the calendar i just covered uh

00:09:09.520 um fray faxie but moving into phrase harvest feast in montana all right yeah fantastic i

00:09:17.200 hope everybody can well i hope many of you can join me at uh fray fax at baldersoff it's going

00:09:25.280 to be fantastic um i am looking forward to showing off that place to my wife and my daughter they

00:09:32.400 have not been yet so it's it's a really special place i'm very proud of it i'm very proud of

00:09:43.120 uh how our people have cared for it and the positive impact they've made on their community

00:09:48.400 there it's really it's really a special thing and i'm glad to glad we're a part of that um

00:09:58.400 yeah brandy and and nathan just really brought that place to life and and seeing it from when

00:10:04.160 we first you know received it was it's amazing the turnaround and kind of being born out of fire

00:10:11.840 people trying to to tear down a good thing and then having it rise up despite is is uh encouraging

00:10:20.800 absolutely um

00:10:26.320 did nick did we go over merchandise this week i'm always i didn't hit the merch i was gonna say i'm

00:10:35.600 always slow to advertise that stuff but we've got folks that are spending a lot of time and effort

00:10:45.280 to make that happen um with the cigar uh cigar i'm eagle tank tops are in um a couple of different

00:10:55.920 options there we have people are putting a lot of time and effort in to make us nice stuff

00:11:05.600 As we said, Brandy's a big part of that, as is Goethe Trent East and his wife, Madison.

00:11:17.920 So we appreciate all the effort on that and cool products, comfy shirts, nice designs,

00:11:25.440 and all the proceeds for that go towards getting Hoffs,

00:11:32.520 making stuff happen, and allowing our Alistair Folk Assembly

00:11:36.980 to thrive and accomplish our mission.

00:11:43.000 So we appreciate that quite a bit.

00:11:49.520 This is our...

00:11:51.440 yeah i believe it yeah this is our first episode of the month so i go over a couple little book

00:12:00.440 keeping things at the first of the month episodes and i think it's reasonable to do at this point

00:12:06.860 um swan would not have to adjust his hair if he had gorilla snot

00:12:12.180 it's been raining over here so i'm a mess walking in from the water that's the thing 0.79

00:12:20.160 Your hair gets wet, you can reposition it with the gorilla snot.

00:12:23.540 It hardens back up. 0.96

00:12:24.480 It's one of the many strengths.

00:12:29.120 So, a few things.

00:12:32.160 Our big deal we're making a push for is to pay off New York's off.

00:12:38.700 We have made a lot of progress on that as of late.

00:12:43.100 Knock that down to we only owe $82,235 on that.

00:12:48.700 Sounds like a lot, but it's so much less than where we started.

00:12:56.100 August means that we are exactly two years in to having that Hoff, and we're already, what, 66.4% of the way of paying that off.

00:13:10.860 So that's fantastic, and that's due to you guys' generosity, so we thank you for that.

00:13:15.220 um these are the links if you want to contribute and be part of paying that off also if you want

00:13:22.020 to do the buy us a coffee deal that is in the description of this video you can always donate

00:13:29.780 at runestone.org at our donate link again all that's extremely helpful and very much appreciated

00:13:36.340 and that's how we're able to to get stuff done um

00:13:48.900 siggerheim it's also something that we're working on it is a deal in progress as far as paying off

00:13:56.900 the land for the first time because the place is amazing and we had to snatch it up we ended up uh

00:14:06.260 extending ourselves on two big purchases in 2022 we got sigerheim in december of that year

00:14:13.540 um started out owing 250 on sigerheim we have knocked that down to something that i'm sure there

00:14:22.740 we go to uh we owe 201 312.84 i don't remember what the percentage is on that i think it's like

00:14:34.580 19 or so so we're uh yeah what is that 19.5 so also thank you guys for contributing on that

00:14:45.700 we've got a number of really cool things we're able to accomplish because you guys have given

00:14:49.620 so much something that i think's worth noting for people to think about um

00:15:08.260 we over the years and i i think that starting out in this day and age with

00:15:15.940 a lot of endeavors that are big i think we have a lot of

00:15:25.620 a lot of sense of defeatism that is a hard barrier to break through but we're continuing to

00:15:34.500 you know try to break through that as much as we can all the time something that's really interesting

00:15:39.780 is of of similar i guess at this point it's kind of odd to talk about things in a similar sphere

00:15:51.700 other groups of folk that i guess are in the house of true adjacent category have tried to

00:16:01.560 do different things over the years and they always have this this criticism about the afa when they

00:16:07.920 they see that we have some nice things they see that we have um you know our hoffs and we have

00:16:14.140 sigerheim and must be duda and i've heard from the same sort like simultaneously i've heard that we

00:16:22.680 are funded by mexican drug cartels uh i've heard that we are an operation run by the feds and

00:16:31.540 And that's why we're able to do it, like the federal government subsidizes them.

00:16:37.460 If either of those were the case, we would have many more Hoffs and a lot more nice

00:16:41.760 things.

00:16:45.720 The point of saying all that is to say this, to a lot of our people, the concept of us

00:16:53.640 having things and accomplishing is so far out of what they conceive that there

00:17:02.040 must be something nefarious because how could we possibly win how could we

00:17:07.040 possibly have nice things how could we possibly succeed and the short answer to

00:17:13.640 that is you guys being generous and us continuing to do this over the long haul

00:17:20.720 as well as us you know winning and maintaining the favor of the gods

00:17:28.400 you know i never want to discount that blessing but our gods are not ones to bless do nothings

00:17:36.080 with success um it's amazing what a relatively small number of us can accomplish when we stand

00:17:47.040 together and when we pool even a small amount of our resources together to make things happen

00:17:54.640 there's such an ability you know i've heard and at some point sometimes this is just old

00:18:02.560 men sitting around talking um and the context may be lost but when i started being involved in

00:18:08.320 as a true and reading reading runestones back to the 1980s everybody always wants to get off

00:18:17.600 making hoffs happen is this you know distant dream but for the longest time nobody wanted

00:18:24.080 to contribute to an aussitrew hoff they wanted their personal backyard hoff or their kindred

00:18:31.920 hoff that they were gonna get together with their 10 guys that they know and make a hoff happen

00:18:39.600 and there's always this reluctance to get them to contribute to something bigger that maybe

00:18:43.680 wasn't geographically where they were but there was somewhere and once we got over that

00:18:52.240 you know all the little if everybody i heard talk about how much they wanted a hoff

00:18:57.360 Hoff were willing to contribute to one of the AFA's Hoffs happening, that would be such a 0.71

00:19:06.020 tremendous step to bring a Hoff closer to them. Never saw any of those independent Hoffs happen.

00:19:11.820 But I did saw a C is when the AFA members and friends chose to put money together to make

00:19:18.120 Hoffs happen in pretty short order. We got four. Got many more planned and we're going to do a lot

00:19:27.280 more and we do that when we share together and the other thing that i try to tell folks and i

00:19:33.040 know i know that it sounds hard to believe but it's 100 true and it's easier to believe each

00:19:41.920 half that we get but the quickest way to get a half near you is to contribute to the current

00:19:51.040 hoff that can help us pay off new york's hoff if you want to hoff in texas that's what's that's

00:19:57.440 the best way for you to get a hoff is help us get paid off or somebody just came in said they're

00:20:04.800 from a while you're in ohio and you want a hoff it's an even easier sell because that's that's

00:20:10.880 where we're looking at the neck the very next hoff so that's what we're doing after we pay

00:20:15.040 off your top we're committed to doing this as long as we have the funding to be able to support them

00:20:22.640 it's not just about getting the hops once we have a hop to one of our gods we have to maintain it

00:20:26.960 and take care of it once but we've got you know relatively modest income goals in order to do

00:20:32.800 these things the very next thing is going to be phrase hop and that's going to be either

00:20:37.840 excuse me in uh eastern ohio or western pennsylvania and as indicated on the graphic nick

00:20:46.680 just put up the first step we got to do on it is to pay off the remaining ballots on your top

00:20:51.880 don't worry about sigerheim that's running on its own independent track that's not related to

00:20:57.520 our progression of hoffs so that's going to be awesome that's how it happens but yeah each one

00:21:07.120 we pay off it makes it that much easier and and we have that much more facility to move on to that

00:21:13.600 next hoff and the other thing is if you want a hoff close to you there's two options there's help

00:21:19.280 us get so many hoffs that one ends up close to you and by all means do that it's a viable option

00:21:26.000 or we can always pick up and move close to the hoffs we have many of us have done just that

00:21:33.920 we encourage folks to move close to where we have hoffs or move close to siggerheim where tiers

00:21:38.880 hoff will be when we've reached that time and where we're trying to build you know real life

00:21:44.960 community in a very real way and uh something that spawn and i are both planning to move our families

00:21:50.480 to when when it's the time and we have everything squared away on some of that so long-winded on

00:21:58.720 that um thank you for generosity is kind of the bigger thing we appreciate you guys and you you

00:22:05.840 given helps us do a lot of stuff so thank you um yeah of course man i i i just wanted to say to you

00:22:13.520 know a lot of people i'm seeing in the chats and stuff is really nice you know living uh in in a

00:22:20.800 world in alsatru where you can say like the gods have temples the gods have hofs dedicated to the

00:22:29.280 to them the alsatru folk assembly all over the united states and hopefully eventually all over

00:22:34.720 the world um in the folk sphere if you will uh but it's such a testament and i remember back in

00:22:42.240 the 90s people we would never conceive the idea and and i think that there's a there's like two

00:22:48.880 types of people there's the people that they just need an edgy religion or they need some edgy

00:22:54.000 pocket so they can be kind of cool from the the wallflower position that they've taken in life

00:22:59.600 and then there's people who want to see a world where alsatru is respected where alsatru and and

00:23:08.320 the gods themselves are forefronted by respectable people who bring a great message a strong message

00:23:15.360 a noble message and that's what you're doing when we create these hoffs and you had mentioned that

00:23:21.120 we you know we purchased these hoffs there was absolute fortuitous blessings that allowed us to

00:23:28.880 get because i mean i think about it like baldur's hoff and thor's hoff being able to be purchased

00:23:34.240 at the same time or the same year was such a un even the year before it was not even conceivable

00:23:42.080 and then after you know during the whole coveted thing and the real estate in florida like sky

00:23:48.080 rocketing uh into like you know just teeth bleeding like high levels of uh of um you know

00:23:57.520 pressure in the real estate market and we still managed to get a place in florida it was

00:24:03.360 it's uh i like i just cannot believe that it was not there was there was divine help i feel that

00:24:12.000 the gods helped us and um you know i think that's so awesome for people to to to give and i really

00:24:18.960 hope that they realize the testament that they're making to leaving a mark on the earth the gods

00:24:24.080 have returned and they're not going anywhere and that's um

00:24:33.360 I think that's kind of a segue into something I wanted to talk about tonight.

00:24:38.480 I promise we will get into the meat and taters of what the show is advertised as.

00:24:43.960 We do not have very much left of the poem to cover this evening, and we will cover all of it.

00:24:50.740 But I wanted to talk to you guys about something that has been, I want to say heavily on my mind,

00:25:01.960 but I think that makes it sound grim, and it's not.

00:25:04.580 It's really something that's beautiful and amazing,

00:25:09.820 and I hadn't really...

00:25:12.820 It sounds dumb to say out loud because while it is profound to me

00:25:20.420 when I thought about it, it should have been common sense all along, 0.93

00:25:26.280 and perhaps to some of you guys it is.

00:25:28.660 To those that it's not, I wanted to mention,

00:25:31.240 And so I've been. All right. So I mentioned, I don't know, four shows ago or whatnot, we had a one of the memorial graphics for a Goethe with the AFA who passed Thorgrin Odin.

00:25:52.900 And he was, you know, foundational to the AFA. He has always been such an important part of just building the Outstreet Folk Assembly.

00:26:09.100 um and also over the years uh he and his wife have become you know very close friends of mine

00:26:18.220 and

00:26:19.900 his passing is terribly sad but it

00:26:26.580 has helped me to think of a lot of things in a different way and to

00:26:34.260 grow in certain ways in my own, I guess, in my own spiritual progression.

00:26:44.300 And I appreciate that opportunity. But one of those ways is this.

00:26:51.740 We, I've mentioned this many times on the program. Seemed like when I was writing it,

00:27:01.000 It makes a lot more sense when I'm saying it.

00:27:02.960 It's kind of all over the place, but I promise it is going somewhere and there's payoff and

00:27:06.540 it makes sense when you get there.

00:27:08.540 So one of the fundamentals is that, okay, what I was going to say before that, on this,

00:27:15.200 a lot of us believe in Ausatru when we start.

00:27:18.800 Talk about believing in Ausatru, say we believe in Ausatru, but that initial stage of belief

00:27:24.620 very often is more having faith than knowing, if that makes sense. You know, you come into it

00:27:36.500 well-intentioned, you think you believe, you want to believe, you believe in believing,

00:27:43.220 you make the mental leap that you're going to will that to be the case and you hope it is.

00:27:49.220 But I've talked about that moment as a go-thee when all of a sudden somebody's eyes are like dinner plates and it's not a choice, it's not a question, it's not a concept.

00:28:03.160 It is 100% undeniably real and, you know, how could you have ever possibly thought otherwise and you can't go back.

00:28:13.440 So, and I've also talked about the experience I had at winter night with my grandmother.

00:28:19.220 um where

00:28:25.060 you know what 14 years after she passed

00:28:30.100 i she was with me in that circle in the most

00:28:38.180 tangible way in every kind of perception and aside from sight and even that you know i almost

00:28:48.260 suggest there's an element of that. So I say that to say this, we know that our ancestors

00:28:54.740 live on after death, we know that the afterlife is very real. And unless one is found so completely

00:29:04.660 and totally of negative value, that they're completely rejected and recycled for parts

00:29:12.260 that we live on after death we also know that that experience we live on as us and we

00:29:21.300 have relationships and maintain relationships with our family and with those that were important to

00:29:26.980 us in life it's fundamental to our understanding of the alfar and the desir it's fundamental to

00:29:34.020 ancestor veneration that has always been part of Ausitru practice that makes all the sense in the

00:29:42.540 world. But what we now have that's very interesting is we have two AFA Gothis that have passed beyond

00:29:52.160 veil and it seems so self-evident but you know up to last month thorgrim was completely and totally

00:30:06.240 devoted to the astro folk assembly and being a a priest of the iser why would that not what

00:30:15.600 if we believe that the veil between life and death is very thin and that you maintain and

00:30:24.340 there's an afterlife then why would that be any different and barring some development in the last

00:30:30.300 month i have no reason to believe it is so we have two ordained gothar of our church that have now

00:30:38.980 passed into the land of the dead. And that's really significant. That means that we have two

00:30:46.760 of our clergy on the other side that are able to help us in ways that are profoundly different

00:30:56.380 than they were able to help us when they were here on our side of the way. They're able to

00:31:01.880 communicate with the ancestors, with the members who've passed and care for them. They're able to

00:31:07.880 communicate with our gods and all the unseen spirits out there in a very different way

00:31:16.480 than we can. And it's fundamental to our whole ritual practice is the idea of sacrifice.

00:31:23.620 That sacrifice meaning to make sacred, it's the transmutation of something that's

00:31:30.660 mundane in this side of the veil into something into the realm of the sacred is to sending it

00:31:35.880 beyond the veil. We imbue it with messages in the hope that that life or whatever it might be,

00:31:43.220 when it transfers beyond that veil, that our intentions are conveyed clearly to our gods

00:31:50.060 and ancestors and the subjects of our bloats. In a very fundamental way, we have spent a lifetime

00:31:58.480 imbuing our gothar with that devotion that we have to our gods with an understanding of

00:32:07.300 who we are in our allegiances and they are able to take that message and represent us

00:32:14.080 in the land of the dead beyond the veil in a spiritual realm and that's i don't know i think

00:32:23.840 that's extremely special and we're extremely fortunate to have that and that's uh just a

00:32:30.380 different way of looking at that I never really thought about before but I think it's extremely

00:32:35.420 meaningful and I wanted to share that with you guys and I don't know mention that to y'all today

00:32:41.780 there's so go ahead there there has been uh since the 90s I've seen a lot of

00:32:51.520 organizations, and the fact that we have elder members, the fact that we have people that have

00:33:00.020 been in the faith since the 70s and 60s and what have you, and that we honor them. Because I think

00:33:09.440 that I have seen, like you said, the adjacent crowds, if you will. None of them have had

00:33:16.980 anything to facilitate older members and some of the older members have been completely eaten alive

00:33:23.300 by their own like kinfolk if you will as they you know they would have probably said a while ago but

00:33:31.880 then they you know social media and they start to wake up they start to realize things are going the

00:33:37.100 way they're going and where we need to go and then they might speak up just even an inkling and then

00:33:41.900 all of a sudden they're completely turned upon by their you know these other groups that swore they

00:33:46.640 were kinfolk um no the outsider folk assembly has that and for us to pass on and to vouch for

00:33:57.400 our folk here on midgard is that's huge i just i've never seen it in anywhere else

00:34:05.000 and i've only seen it in the outsider folk assembly the legitimacy of that i don't think

00:34:10.680 a lot of people think about when they think about like well we have held elders and they are honored

00:34:16.120 they're spoken of they're held in high regard and uh you never see that we have children too

00:34:22.600 and and all that stuff that people like to talk about like want kids and we want you know young

00:34:27.160 people doing things but we have our elder folk as well that's an amazing feat for any um

00:34:35.720 organization church uh you know our faith is is long running now

00:34:40.760 well it's easy when

00:34:44.280 some of us deal a lot with people that we wish took this more seriously and so i think a

00:34:54.980 disproportionate amount of focus is on people that you know were disappointed in a lack of something

00:35:02.900 Or, you know, we focus more on problems than on the things that are going right.

00:35:10.380 And it's really special and it's really a testament at this early stage of the reestablishment of our religion

00:35:23.000 to have people that spend their entire adult life unwavering, loyal, and true to the Aesir

00:35:30.800 to the end and beyond. And that's really special. And I am blessed to have known both of those men.

00:35:45.260 Not that we haven't had other people that have lived true to the Aesir until they pass, but

00:35:50.320 So the two of our Gothar that have passed so far, I got to know both of them, one of them very, very briefly, and Thorgrim, I was lucky enough to get to know quite a bit better, and I'm a better man for it.

00:36:04.600 So, with that, we are, if you did not join last week, or even if you did and you don't remember, we are going with the Bellows translation.

00:36:17.720 We're in the Locasena.

00:36:20.780 Nick just posted a link.

00:36:22.620 Feel free to use any translation that you have that you like or that's handy.

00:36:27.620 and we can kind of compare and contrast a little bit on maybe a different way as things are

00:36:34.080 translated or structured as far as you know how the how the thoughts are conveyed there's value

00:36:43.480 to that it's also just kind of interesting any questions you guys have we're very very happy to

00:36:50.080 answer anything if it's related to the topic or if it's pertinent to jump in we may you know kind

00:36:57.360 cherry pick and do those but i will go back over anything that might have been missed so that we

00:37:03.120 answer all the questions before we go off the air tonight and yeah appreciate you guys joining us

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00:37:27.600 by it well we appreciate our audience um with that swan would you like to take folks into

00:37:36.720 where we left off yeah absolutely we are for folks that need to know we're at 41.

00:37:42.400 um and you know we've had a a pretty long and steady engagement of uh like a tit and tat

00:37:53.440 uh back and forth um generally one of the icer would speak up and then loki would retort

00:38:01.900 um and i think it's it's more important for people to realize and it's really going to

00:38:06.320 become self-evident here that this is a poem that is transferring knowledge and is has a purpose

00:38:19.240 um and again i and we talked about it you know like the the fact that our poems are not seen as

00:38:25.580 biblical one of the big ones and this one is very very much so one that shows that this is

00:38:32.820 a poem that was recorded down and had purpose, but the purpose of the story, and it doesn't mean

00:38:39.120 that the story is not, or the stories that are referenced are not, but there are a lot of stories

00:38:44.040 that could have been lost, that we don't know, and that there's also some miscalculations and

00:38:50.620 misinterpretations, and so there's a part in which I think our church is incumbent

00:38:56.840 to step forward and say, well, based on our best understanding and the decision

00:39:04.260 to move forward and kind of lay some things to rest, there's going to be parts in here where,

00:39:10.400 you know, we're going to say, like, things, and I think people will be like, well, I always heard

00:39:15.600 it this way, and I always heard it this way. Well, that confusion is really, again, because of

00:39:20.800 some of some of the poems including and particularly the locus center is um has its

00:39:28.260 issues and it has its problems as far as um authenticity of certain things and i i mean

00:39:34.680 that mainly about we'll go into like loki's sons and things like that but um so at this point

00:39:42.760 the Holy Freyr. Freyr means Lord. And it is truly interesting, this being from Iceland,

00:39:55.420 but there is a mentioning of an eldering name of the Holy Freyr. And I really, really just

00:40:04.940 love the fact that it's still kept alive in the poem, even though it's a few centuries after the

00:40:12.280 conversion of Iceland, um, that it even harkens back further, probably to even before Iceland was,

00:40:19.580 uh, was, um, you know, founded and, and it has clear connections to even to Tacitus's Germania.

00:40:29.840 Um, so I, I find that really, really interesting. Um, so here in 41, he says,

00:40:36.880 The Holy Fray says to Loki

00:40:40.520 By the mouth of the river

00:40:43.020 The wolf remains till the gods

00:40:45.060 To destruction go

00:40:46.480 Thou toot shall soon 0.99

00:40:48.800 If thy tongue is not stilled

00:40:50.860 Be fettered 1.00

00:40:51.900 Thou forger of ill

00:40:54.300 Of course the wolf that

00:40:58.260 The Holy Fray is referring to is

00:41:00.680 Fenris Ulf

00:41:02.740 Fenris Ulf or Fenrir

00:41:04.980 the dweller in the fens the the one who lives in the swamps um the edge walker the uh the the one

00:41:13.500 that dwells between the the roots and the shadows um and he here he says he's by the mouth of the

00:41:19.400 river by the by the uh estuary it also is worth mentioning in another story fenrir is mentioned

00:41:26.680 as being at a lake the black lake and um the the general consensus of this is that it is it it's a

00:41:37.240 uh like a lake or a spring without reaching pieces and that that's one of the concepts we talk a lot

00:41:44.520 about at thorsoff with um the poison dripping from fenris's mouth and it exudes through a liminal

00:41:52.760 space and can actually bleed into our world that the uh the venom and the hunger and the the um

00:42:02.360 the vitriol of fenris's cursing his his uh stain on creation passes now through his his spittle

00:42:15.640 his spit and it uh it infects the minds of many folk um so i just thought that was interesting

00:42:24.440 because again river lake and you you get some of these little inconsistencies but i think people

00:42:31.080 get caught up on them without considering like a lake or a body of water with rivers flowing out

00:42:39.880 from it um loki returns in 42 and he says the daughter of gimir with gold didst thou buy

00:42:51.480 and sold thy sword to boot but when must spell sons through mirkwood ride thou shalt weaponless

00:43:00.120 wait poor wretch so here he's speaking about the fact he's making the insult your your wife your

00:43:10.920 bride you bought her you paid for her love and in doing so you also gave up your sword and

00:43:18.920 it's worth noting in scareness ball that the mentioning of giving the sword is not fully

00:43:25.480 you know taken upon he is given the sword but it is there's never a moment in the poem where

00:43:31.800 he has to relinquish the sword of of uh lord fray to um uh

00:43:38.840 so that may be a the possibility of another poem gone uh but it is generally understood

00:43:50.300 understood that in order for the holy fray to link with gerder one of the oust veneer

00:43:58.600 he had to give up his sword and in particular the the interesting part is giving up his sword to

00:44:05.140 forces outside perhaps even to the jotuns in some way or a sacrifice of some sort that makes it so

00:44:14.900 it's no longer in the possession of the gods, even though Gerder remains with him. So very

00:44:23.940 interesting. Another part here, when the sons of Muspel, when Muspel's sons. So Muspel is, a lot of

00:44:32.360 people don't know about the translation of this word, Muspel. Generally people take it as

00:44:38.200 uh, destruction or, um, what is it? Conflagration. Um, but this, this thing,

00:44:46.780 it's only time that Muspel is ever referred to often outside of just the creation's, uh, story

00:44:54.660 is about Muspel's sons or the kinfolk or the children of, of the Muspel. And Muspel is not

00:45:02.260 a being it is a place so it'd be like saying you know the sons and daughters of uh of britain or

00:45:12.280 what have you um and the last part here too is through mirkwood ride so the general idea when

00:45:20.780 we talk about cosmology is that the world is united all the worlds are kind of like lenses

00:45:29.700 that overlay on top of each other so the difference between passing through the veil is the blink of

00:45:37.060 an eye but it is also a long road and that is um i think one thing that when we when we have a lot

00:45:45.520 of people from religions that are built around mortals and they're built around uh mankind

00:45:52.640 and they built around logos or and logic that's been affected um they try to logically explain

00:46:01.160 certain things to the point where they end up deteriorating the magic of mythos in and of itself

00:46:06.980 um the so in this case here one of the things about must spell heim is that it's beyond the

00:46:18.860 wood of murkiness and it it's beyond the a place of darkness so it's another kind of boundary lined

00:46:28.700 it's not necessarily a garther or a mountain or a wall and it is not a liminal space but a place

00:46:37.580 that is deadly to traverse so it is held away uh with enough of a distance that it's not something

00:46:46.380 that just is done easily and mirkwood is mentioned quite a few times as being that that dark and and

00:46:55.980 you know dangerous boundary between the the primordial realms and the you know the the two

00:47:04.380 primordial realms that we're speaking of are muspelheim and niflheim but niflheim is unique

00:47:10.140 because it is completely, uh, strewn with liminal space. Muspelheim, there is nothing that can live

00:47:18.420 there but the sons and daughters of Muspelheim because of its, um, potence and heat and, uh,

00:47:27.860 just the severity of that, of that, that, uh, place. So you never see much more, uh, of any

00:47:36.680 given acknowledgement to Muspel after the creation because of that. But everywhere else is given

00:47:45.060 great heed. And our ancestors generally saw Muspelheim as being that place that's just so

00:47:53.000 far away. It's beyond the never-ending forest, if you will, of darkness, is kind of what Mirkwood

00:48:00.500 is. Um, and when they come, uh, across there, uh, you shall be weaponless. And of course,

00:48:11.100 if anybody has read the Guild for Guinea or, um, the, uh, there is a knowing that it's,

00:48:18.320 it's there that Lord, the Holy Frey, the Lord meets, uh, uh, uh, Sutter, Sutter, the, the,

00:48:27.900 the burning one, the, the, uh, the, the, the leader of the Sons of Muspel. He meets him in

00:48:33.980 battle and they join together and slay each other. And he only has a, uh, an antler, a sharpened

00:48:42.260 antler to, um, do the, to, to commit to the fight while, um, Hurtur has a sword. So, uh, there's,

00:48:53.700 there's clearly a power differentiation there and he's kind of in the poem he's somewhat

00:49:00.900 hinting towards that but doesn't fully say it because again meter and making sure that the poem

00:49:06.740 fits so speaking up now is is big veer and the way that the double g sound is kind of like almost

00:49:17.620 like a k beak uh you might see this also like with the traitorous king olaf trick for son it has a

00:49:28.900 double g sound which ends up being like a gk so big fear speaks in 43 and this is where he references

00:49:38.340 the holy fray in a very older name um which lends to the fact that the poets or and the storytellers

00:49:46.100 knew this name as well um in 43 had i birthed so famous as ingunar frere and sat in so lofty a seat 0.69

00:50:00.180 i would crush to marrow this croaker of ill and beat all his body to bits so big fear is is a

00:50:08.820 servant of the holy fray and he is one of three that we clearly know of and the elevated position 0.99

00:50:18.740 of a of a soul of a folk person who's so dedicated becomes a servant of one of their

00:50:27.700 the holy the holy house or alcenia that they have had so much uh time with or or maybe perhaps even

00:50:35.460 Even just the buildup over time with the holy divine being is lending to that they go with, they accompany some of the holy gods.

00:50:50.680 And it's generally extended to most of the gods, but it's not often mentioned in the stories.

00:50:58.860 So I like to really point that out, that just because it's not emphasized with all the gods does not make it not so.

00:51:10.280 and here this is uh one of the the elevated one of the um adorned um servants um and whether or

00:51:21.540 not he is or once was mortal or of of the alpha we don't know but um i think it is very interesting

00:51:30.200 when you look at him and skirner as well so um he says you know if i had been of such high birth

00:51:38.220 as ingunafre. Now, that in and of itself is a little, possibly a misspelling by the person who,

00:51:49.720 just the person writing it down may have gotten off on either the spelling or as it was annotated

00:52:05.100 and collected, that was, you know, the name that was used. So they're either sticking entirely to

00:52:12.660 or are completely off. And we don't quite know. We do know that the name Yngwie Frey is of more

00:52:22.160 substance. So generally people think that this is a miswriting of the Yngwie or maybe a different

00:52:32.440 um pronunciation and understanding of it um and you know he's saying yes i i would

00:52:41.860 i would just get up and crush so he's trying to goad his master uh the holy fray into just

00:52:48.960 getting up and crushing loki and getting it all over with and loki speaks back in 41 he says

00:52:58.280 what little creature goes crawling there, snuffling and snapping about at Frey's ear ever?

00:53:08.720 Will thou be found or muttering hard at the mill?

00:53:14.060 So again, who pulled your string kind of comment and retort. And again, remember,

00:53:21.280 this is a great way for us to see our ancestors talking about their poetic battles and how

00:53:28.460 jibes and insults were kind of levied at each other on a regular sense. So, I mean, he, you

00:53:38.260 know, he says like, you know, what is this little worm like running around, you know, sniffing and 0.86

00:53:45.000 and grubbing at his master's ear. Um, and, and the last part there, he says, you know, you're,

00:53:51.000 you're always kind of at the corner of, of, of his ear, but, um, or, or will you be found

00:53:57.800 muttering at the mill? And, and that one really is, um, the, the work of the commoner, the,

00:54:04.800 the churlish work. So are you either, you know, muttering, um, your master's ear,

00:54:10.640 you just muttering about while you do your menial work and so another job towards his his position

00:54:20.720 and big bear speaks in 45 a retort and he says big beer is my name and nimble am i

00:54:29.280 as gods and men do grant and here i am i proud that the children of fruct together all drink

00:54:39.840 ale of course this is uh cropped is a a reference towards lord oven and all the ice here but that he

00:54:47.920 is brought forth as a elevated soul and again i think this leans more towards the fact that

00:54:58.080 he may have once been mortal and that he was of high renown um and high faith and troth with lord

00:55:06.080 or the holy fray and was given the benefit of being drawn up that third route um through uh

00:55:14.800 the the third well and his soul was placed in heaven ascendancy beyond death and um was given

00:55:24.880 this this title and the benefit of being able to dine and sit with the holy gods and i think that

00:55:33.520 if this is being written and then being perceived by that audience i i think it's worth considering

00:55:39.200 that our our ancestors the audience understood that understood that there was the ability to rise

00:55:46.720 above and that it wasn't necessarily based on um you know needing to die like in battle but that

00:55:54.960 you you know with lord ovin you were chosen and also post-mortem that your deeds are rewarded

00:56:04.160 after to be brought up into the heavenly realm um so i think that this uh

00:56:13.840 you know this part here is pretty straightforward i mean nimble and and uh

00:56:18.640 uh, uh, nimbleness is often, I will say this much, the nimbleness thing, if you notice some

00:56:27.360 of the rune carvings on rocks, there are many, uh, references to being nimble, wily,

00:56:36.420 very hard to catch. There have been many people in modern age that have tried to turn this into

00:56:42.080 some sort of degenerate innuendo but i think that it is again a reference to

00:56:50.960 the viability of not being able to be hit i think it was also most likely very important from

00:56:56.960 those rune stones that were written were most likely written by uh folks that were in central

00:57:02.640 europe and probably under the employ of the uh the empire and they had moved northward back in

00:57:09.280 And they were always remarked as being able to run as fast as horses, not having to wear armor, but only carry a shield. And so again, the swiftness of a warrior was a huge kind of flexing point. Strength was very much so, but also too was cunning and cleverness and your swiftness and agility.

00:57:35.140 so let's see we're on 46. loki speaks back 46. be silent big veer thou never could set their

00:57:50.100 shares of the meat for men hidden the straw on the floor they found thee not when harrow when heroes

00:57:56.740 were feigned to fight. So he tells them to be quiet. You could never, ever measure out

00:58:05.840 correctly the feasts of men. And this seems to be very much a localized idea that if there was

00:58:16.960 a servant who gave large portions to some and small portions to another was seen as a bad

00:58:25.000 trait and um and then more so the fact that when heroes go out to fight

00:58:34.360 he hides in the straw in the corners and and under you know just happens to

00:58:41.880 cover himself up or crawl under a bench when when the fighting starts

00:58:47.560 so clearly he's he's uh calling him a coward

00:58:55.000 let's pause one second to recognize gw farnsworth once again coming through with generosity buying

00:59:04.220 us five coffees that's 25 donation thank you we appreciate that um also because he's asked a

00:59:12.100 couple of times now one of our folk builders in state of washington aaron simbeck excited for

00:59:19.200 upcoming frayers harvest feast wants to know swan are you and i attending

00:59:26.080 uh this is in september 20th to 22nd uh in montana

00:59:35.760 uh no i will not be attending at as actually i think with fair reason

00:59:43.040 i think that is the weekend that our uh bloat falls on at thor's off yes weekend that most of

00:59:54.000 the uh hops are doing their uh winter finding bloat but that said aaron i am looking at it

01:00:02.880 right now i've been talking back and forth with mandy on text to try to figure out if it's

01:00:06.960 something doable something i wanted to do and i'd like to try to arrange and see if see if i can make

01:00:13.440 happen so i don't want to give you my word on it yet until i know a little bit better even if i

01:00:19.180 were to give you my word it has the asterisks just because we saw what happened to me last month

01:00:23.780 trying to get to uh siggerheim um but yeah we're looking into it right now i'd love to i'd love to

01:00:29.700 to so i i'm very much thinking about it yeah and i would love to get out to montana um and see the

01:00:37.220 good folks out there and uh want to you know big kindred out there um i i got to meet a lot of

01:00:44.500 good folks and a lot of folks from california that moved over into montana um that was a wild

01:00:50.500 that was a great summer that was the time i got to meet thorgrun and i i can't say that i know

01:00:55.220 thorgan well i've only i've met him um you know and and and ryan and a lot of the folks that moved

01:01:03.060 to montana so i would love to get out there and uh yeah but that's that said just because it's

01:01:12.660 quick and it's quick to answer uh rover asks how many members does the afa have

01:01:17.860 uh if he has got 755 members as of this moment

01:01:25.220 with that let's get back to let's get back to the story that blows my mind how much we achieve with

01:01:35.060 with uh that core strong base of of uh membership and um also too just how easy it is for folks to

01:01:45.940 come on here and just ask questions and well and so here other than that um while we're on it i

01:01:51.220 I might as well make a plug for it.

01:01:56.440 If you are listening to this right now, or any time in the future for that matter, it's right now for you.

01:02:06.560 If you're not a member of the AFA already, ask yourself why not.

01:02:10.980 We'd love to have you join.

01:02:12.280 If you're a heterosexual white person, this is the place for you.

01:02:17.880 And I would encourage you to join and be part of what we're doing. 0.66

01:02:22.180 We're able to accomplish a whole lot together and even more so if you and the folks you know decide they want to join and get involved with what we're doing.

01:02:34.240 So please think about that and encourage others that you may know that this is where they should be.

01:02:40.700 Help bring them home. That's our mission in the AFA.

01:02:43.400 way, it's what we're striving to do, and we would love your help in accomplishing it.

01:02:48.840 So it's something to think about. And with that, let's get back to the Lucasina.

01:02:56.900 All right. So after he kind of jibes at Beekvir, finally, so Heimdottler steps in, and it's

01:03:13.380 an interesting point here because um it start the the poem starts to shift into the unknown as in

01:03:28.180 the participants of the poem the gods are speaking of things that are in other in context elsewhere

01:03:37.700 and uh if you were to look at chronological time frames um it it if you try to attempt

01:03:45.460 to logically string it out uh this is happening this is foretelling if you will um but also too

01:03:55.060 for those that don't know in ragnarok heim dotler is the one that fights against loki

01:04:02.420 and they meet head on and a lot of folks might not know why but there is there is a long-standing

01:04:11.040 rivalry between the most wiliest and uh unpinnable and cunning and and slippery versus the stalwart

01:04:21.020 one um that remains true in into his uh his position the one that hears all on who hears us

01:04:31.540 now uh i try to remind myself that all the time um and uh this kind of kind of shows a little bit

01:04:41.300 but not i not nearly enough as i think it should be but um heimdall speaks and he says uh drunk

01:04:49.540 thou art thou art drunk art thou loki and mad are thy deeds why loki leavest thou this not

01:04:59.700 for drink beyond measure will lead all men no thought of their tongues to take so

01:05:09.380 why don't you know you're drunk and why don't you leave and i think that that's a really important

01:05:14.740 thing to context with the idea of it's being spoken as if this is something that's being

01:05:23.700 passed on to the audience if you're drunk and you have no um word of your mind of your tongue um

01:05:32.500 you can get yourself into a lot of trouble and it is better to leave and go home and

01:05:38.820 and not make poor decisions and clearly this is far beyond that as far as reading the entirety

01:05:45.780 of the story but it's the point it's the message that's being transferred here um and that drunk

01:05:52.100 men pay no thought to their tongues and often get themselves in trouble so leave now and no harm

01:06:01.780 um you know will come to you this is again really redundant considering as they mention

01:06:10.180 what's coming and what will happen but it is a heim heim doppler is in essence filling the the

01:06:20.020 the uh the file or the thuler's chair he's filling that that role as the thuler and he is

01:06:29.620 saying you know you should leave now before you mar your your honor um again kind of interesting

01:06:37.940 that it's placed here uh instead of not maybe earlier but uh and loki speaks in 48 he says be

01:06:46.180 silent heimdall in days long sense was an evil fate for thee fixed with back held stiff must thou

01:06:55.380 ever stand as the water of heaven to watch and this of course lends to um and the placement of

01:07:06.980 lord heimdaller as being the water of heaven and i think that this speaks more to the unification

01:07:14.980 between the isir and the vanir and where they become whole is that the entirety of

01:07:24.740 the sanctity of the the uh the gods in ausgarther

01:07:30.820 will be left in the hands of a vanir and that lord handel is given that point but loki tries

01:07:38.420 to make that point that it it's a it's a static position uh that's more of a punishment than it is

01:07:46.180 a duty or an honor um and i i you know i found that that stanza to be quite interesting but um

01:07:56.420 there's no retort and i really wish there was i would love to to hear that uh but no it shifts

01:08:03.460 again um as this poem does and um i think that you know heimdallar meeting loki i guess is the

01:08:14.420 best retort for a lot of the the foulness that um has been laid but that bestowment of giving

01:08:22.660 the honor of of protecting um ausgarther in heaven is truly one of the i think the the big uh points

01:08:31.620 of creating that unification between the Aesir and the Vanir to make them all Aesir.

01:08:41.860 So the the Austvanir Skavi speaks up and she says

01:08:49.300 light are thou Loki but longer though mayest not in freedom flourish thy tale

01:08:55.940 On the rocks, the gods bind thee with the bowels torn forth from thy frost-cold sun.

01:09:05.740 So now this is where it lays the point forward.

01:09:11.520 Is this a proclamation of what will be done?

01:09:14.000 Or is this a, the poem itself is merely lending to an understanding of other poems and what has been said.

01:09:24.220 um this i i have a tendency to believe that it's more of that case the poem is linking itself to

01:09:33.400 other poems it's uh establishing itself here and now that uh that loki will be bound and will be

01:09:43.080 bound by the entrails of his own son and we spoke a little bit about that while the balancing of

01:09:50.520 that situation was happening. See, Loki is a kinslayer. His blood brother, who is the high

01:09:59.380 one, Lord Odin, he slays or he facilitates the slaying of his brother's son. So to make it

01:10:10.940 fulfillable or correct in its in its equalization his son too must die not him

01:10:20.160 but his son and so the gods then reach that balancing point um

01:10:27.420 and if for uh those that don't know i mean his son the cold frost cold sun or

01:10:34.260 the the one who is cold from death is narvi n-a-r-f-i narvi and um there is an interesting

01:10:46.720 point about that that i wanted to cover too later on with some of the something else that's spoken

01:10:51.040 about uh in relation to the two sons and the mistake that again another kind of um written

01:10:59.680 mistake about the confusion of Loki's other son. And the general consensus is that this is a mistake

01:11:11.820 in writing that it was Loki's son, not Odin's son. And because we already know and established

01:11:20.320 through Rindr, that Vaoli is Odin's son, and he is enacting the punishment, and that him becoming

01:11:31.720 a wolf isn't a punishment upon him, but a facilitation of what he needs to do. Having,

01:11:38.020 you know, your son ripped to shreds by a god turned into a form that you are affiliated with

01:11:46.340 this kind of the mockery in there, um, that the gods are throwing back at him. Um, in 50,

01:11:55.340 Loki speaks and he says, though on the rocks, the gods bind me with bowels torn forth from my frost

01:12:03.020 cold sun i was first and last at the deadly fight there where thiazzy we caught so

01:12:16.300 by timeline sense the binding hasn't happened he did not break out of his

01:12:21.180 binds to come do this and then he's going to go back and re-tie himself to the rock um

01:12:25.820 Um, but that the ending jab here that he points out is specifically for the Oostvenyr Skadi

01:12:35.460 because her father and the slaying of Fiazi by the gods that prompted her to come forth.

01:12:42.580 And he's saying, I was there. 0.93

01:12:44.500 I facilitated in your father's death.

01:12:47.740 Um, not much of, I think, a weight compared to many of the other insults that have been

01:12:52.320 thrown, but it's, it's about being personal.

01:12:55.820 um but again the context of being bound as it it hasn't happened yet so this really shows that this

01:13:05.100 poem is not to be taken with a literalness of being like a holy text um and it you know i think

01:13:15.900 that that stanza alone really truly shows this is a passing of knowledge between the poet and the

01:13:22.140 audience but that time and specifically um some of the kind of incorrection and perception of things

01:13:30.940 is uh referencing more to other poems um let's see here so in 51 skadi says

01:13:44.780 wert thou first and last at the deadly fight there where thiazi was caught

01:13:50.460 from my dwellings and fields shall ever come forth a council called to thee

01:13:57.580 so the ausfineer skadi comes from the uh the the jotuns and uh it is um

01:14:08.620 you know it's specified that she is seen in jotunheim which means a descendancy of emir but

01:14:16.220 the possibility too that she was just simply lumped in as being a joten she you know the

01:14:25.260 the idea that she may be descendancy of of the niflheim prim thurser or or uh frost jotens but

01:14:34.780 ultimately she's saying from her uh lands from her those loyal to her in any way shape or form

01:14:43.340 will never align with you against the gods

01:14:50.940 and loki speaks in return in 52 more lightly thou spakest with laofy son when thou baddest

01:14:59.260 me come to thy bed such things must be known if now we too shall seek our sins to tell

01:15:07.580 so he's leveling that she seduced or yeah seduced him because she baddest or bid him to come to thy

01:15:21.420 bed uh so he's saying that uh that you you know attempted to seduce me to come to to your bed and

01:15:31.100 in essence not denying that he took that offer but uh again there's no evidence of this there's

01:15:39.660 no stories of it and it it is veering off greatly into insults that would enrage an audience during

01:15:49.340 the time of the poet of the poem uh then sif comes forward and poured mead for loki in a crystal

01:15:58.140 cup and said and i really love the fact i know culturally we use horns but it is worth noting

01:16:07.500 that the the cup the mead bowl the goblet the the chalice these are not they just don't look

01:16:17.420 viking enough for people sometimes that they get into this idea that if it's not we're not drinking

01:16:23.960 from a horn what is this um you know i i could see if we started doing our bloats and and adding

01:16:31.720 you know a chalice or a a a goblet uh people would start you know screaming on the internet

01:16:38.680 oh this is not a viking religion anymore or whatever they might try to do but it

01:16:46.200 it's a lack of a full scope of understanding so uh

01:16:53.960 she says hail to thee loki and take thy here this crystal cup of old mead for me at least

01:17:01.960 alone of the gods blameless blameless thou knowest to be again this is a setup this is a setup for a

01:17:10.840 punch line or set up for a sliding um in a way i have always kind of taken this too as you do once

01:17:19.080 mockery has metastasized into malignance you can't um negotiate with it and you shouldn't

01:17:32.280 you shouldn't attempt to uh you know find quarter so uh let's see here we um

01:17:41.880 he took the horn and drank there up there from in 54 alone that were if truly would uh truly

01:17:52.600 thou wouldest all men so shyly shun but one do i know full well methinks who had the from

01:18:02.520 florith is glory these arms loki the crafty and lies so he's saying um you know if we were if there

01:18:13.640 was no one around they would believe you but there's one truth and that is i was the one that

01:18:23.560 wild you away from your husband's arms florida of course is uh it means um uh thor and it is

01:18:32.520 the, the, the, the cacophonous or the, um, loud writer. Uh, and he's saying, I, I stole you or

01:18:44.740 you bed with me from your husband's arms. Then Bela speaks. Now, again, this is an interesting

01:18:52.800 thing because bringing in this Bela is another servant of, uh, the holy frere and they do not

01:19:01.640 have a huge amount of usage outside of this poem and i wonder if that was done with an intention

01:19:10.440 on the on the poet's part um but she is the uh female counterpart of big fear and so the general

01:19:21.400 ideas that at this at this uh you know ceremony at this um very large feast there is not only

01:19:29.320 ire's servants there is also um the icers servants and she speaks in 55 the mountains

01:19:40.040 shaken surely i think from his home comes flow reether now floridi so say his name and he shall

01:19:49.240 show is kind of what she's saying because i think i think i hear sif's husband thor coming now he

01:19:57.720 will silence the man who is slandering here together both gods and men and i think that

01:20:05.160 is important and another emphasis of the ascendancy of big fear and bala as being

01:20:13.400 ascendant souls that were once mortal um referencing that he is slandering the gods and men

01:20:23.480 um so very very uh interesting and important um

01:20:34.520 so in we're a 55 to or we're we go um into 61 the last stretch of the poem so and this poetically

01:20:47.000 is a way for the poet to bring uh the storm father and to bring lord thor in and of course it's

01:20:55.160 generally this is the end that's when he shows up there's not much that's going to be going on

01:21:01.080 after that so thor speaks uh in 61 unmanly one cease or the mighty hammer mjolnir shall close

01:21:13.720 thy mouth my right hand shall smite thee with from near slayer till all thy bones are broken

01:21:23.240 so he calls him the unmanly one again a clear insult towards the fact that he's 0.70

01:21:32.600 wily very hard to place down quite unnatural in the spectrum of of and the polarities of life

01:21:40.520 and is wretchedly an an unmanly character you actually skipped 56 through 60. oh no

01:21:49.320 no did i i was worried about that i i

01:21:57.000 dang it i'm sorry i i clicked on the wrong one

01:22:03.400 i knew i was thinking that too i was like i hope this i didn't jump over that one but

01:22:07.400 oh yeah okay so in 56 as bala had spoken up in 55 and said that thor is coming and that he is

01:22:19.420 slandering the gods and men loki turns and says be silent bala thou art big fierce wife

01:22:27.120 and deep art thou steeped in sin a great shame a greater shame to the gods came never 0.74

01:22:33.760 Be fouled thou art with thy filth.

01:22:38.180 So this is a double insult.

01:22:43.160 The gods have taken up and ascended a soul that is not good is kind of an argument on their choosing.

01:22:52.740 And then two, the sinfulness, if you will, is the unfaithfulness.

01:23:03.760 And, uh, you know, treachery and inaction.

01:23:08.160 Then Thor comes forth and speaks in 57.

01:23:15.580 Uh, yeah, I'm still correct, right?

01:23:18.380 Is that, that's all, we're all set there.

01:23:21.640 Right?

01:23:22.360 Right, Nick?

01:23:23.640 57, yes.

01:23:25.300 Um, the problem, the reason you're confused is because 57 and 61 start at the same two lines.

01:23:32.200 Gotcha.

01:23:33.760 all right so

01:23:37.600 so now the the uh the storm father himself enters in and and begins with the same line

01:23:48.880 unmanly one cease or the mighty hammer mjolnir shall close thy mouth thy shoulder cliff shall

01:23:56.640 i cleave from thy neck and so shall thy life be lost shoulder cliff of course is a kenning for 0.96

01:24:04.480 the head i will knock your head straight off your shoulders and loki speaks in 58 oh lo 0.97

01:24:13.360 in has come the son of the earth why threaten so loudly thor less fierce thou shalt go 0.99

01:24:20.320 to fight with the wolf when he swallows sig father up

01:24:26.640 So here is, he's stating, you know, one very important thing is that we clearly look at the Stormfather as being a child of Lord Odin and Yarth, the earth, and he is of the heavens and of the earth.

01:24:52.600 he is of the the ouse and the wane if you will he is the perfect embodiment of that alignment

01:25:01.460 of cosmic order and natural law when those two come together thor is the product of this

01:25:09.220 and loki says you will be less fierce to talk when it comes time for ragnarok

01:25:15.260 and thor speaks in 59 unmanly one cease or the mighty hammer mjolnir shall close thy mouth

01:25:23.600 i shall hurl thee up and out in the east where men shall see thee no more i shall throw you 0.86

01:25:32.620 into the depths of of the east or of jotunheim uh to where no one shall see you again and loki 0.95

01:25:41.080 speaks 60 that thou has fared on the east road forth to men shouldst thou say no more

01:25:49.880 in the thumb of a glove did you hide thou great one and there forgot who thou wast thor

01:25:59.720 so this is again a reference to another poem that we have legitimately and this is of course

01:26:06.200 where the Stormfather is going to Jotunheim and encounters a great Jotun named Skrimir.

01:26:17.180 And he is so huge that Lord Thor hides in his glove, thinking that it was a cave.

01:26:27.500 so this is another um stanza that really kind of sticks out and re-emphasizes that this poem

01:26:37.020 is about exchanging knowledge between the poet and perhaps other poets in the audience

01:26:43.160 and that it's not necessarily uh structured around um the the legitimacy of the exchange itself um

01:26:53.400 so he uh let's see here he at 60 to 61. so here is the final

01:27:05.220 uh thor speaks again unmanly one cease or the mighty hammer mjolnir will close thy mouth

01:27:13.880 my right hand shall smite thee with hrungnir slayer till all thy bones are broken prongnir

01:27:21.380 slayer of course is mjolnir another kenning um uh the bane of rungnir is how it's referred to 0.96

01:27:32.900 in the old norse um and loki speaks in 62 a long time still do i think to live

01:27:42.820 thou though threatenest thus with thy hammer rough seem the straps of screamer's wallet

01:27:51.180 when thy meat though mightiest not get and faint from hunger didst feel so he says i think i'll

01:28:00.660 live quite a long time as long as i i see fit um and you still threaten with your hammer even

01:28:07.600 though and again this is another reference to that same story in which he tries to wake screamer up

01:28:15.040 and he uh tries to open the simple pouch that has all of their provisions in it and because

01:28:21.680 the giant was so big he tied it so tight that the storm father couldn't even open it

01:28:28.480 and of course anybody that's familiar with that story knows that this is of course

01:28:31.600 uh a a huge thing that this is this isn't a pouch this isn't a glove but that he's you know

01:28:39.640 when he attempts to slay this giant he's creating you know valleys and uh canyons and when he tries

01:28:48.800 to pull apart the uh the the strings he he's ripping us under tracks of land and things like

01:28:55.840 that. Um, all under the guise by magic. It's a great story. And I know we'll be covering that

01:29:03.100 eventually. So, um, Thor speaks in 63, unmanly one cease or the mighty hammer Mjolnir shall close

01:29:13.300 thy mouth. The slayer of Frungnir shall send thee to hell and down to the gates of death. 0.98

01:29:20.840 um a couple of things here too i mean of course he's repeating these lines these often happen

01:29:29.240 in order to maintain meter especially when there's an extension of the poem or there's a

01:29:34.600 need to extend it um you'll notice these lines being spoken again uh and of course the slayer

01:29:41.580 from near ismiel near um but he's saying you you will find yourself going to hell uh to to the

01:29:52.940 the land of the dead and or to the world of the realm of the dead um

01:30:00.940 because hell in itself was also referred as a state of being there was not just the fact that

01:30:09.980 it is her hell the one who presides over the calamity of mankind the and in all things really

01:30:18.540 that just the the deterioration um but that the souls of both gods and men fall into that place 0.53

01:30:28.060 away from time and this you know entails also jotens so balder is there and received well and

01:30:38.620 And he's saying, no, I'm going to send you there.

01:30:41.680 And he doesn't speak, you know, about his reception at all.

01:30:47.100 But the idea is that nothing truly dies in our faith and in our understanding of the cosmology, but that we move.

01:30:57.900 And the essence of the descriptors of hell and the death of it is because death is that.

01:31:07.040 the hell blow, the coloring of the body, the being cold and in the ground, but also stepping

01:31:15.380 away from the gods and stepping away from time and order into a place that has, it does not have

01:31:26.580 so much rule. And the idea is that once you pass into this place, it's incumbent upon you

01:31:32.720 to make sure that you latch on to the order. And that order is your ancestors, that you

01:31:39.980 are not denied by them. Because if you are, then you're flung out into the millstrom of

01:31:46.000 nifl hell and all that that pertains to. No, but if you go and you're accepted by your ancestors,

01:31:55.260 You're taken in by them. Then you have the ability to be protected and held firmly and, you know, celebrated and that you may also to elevate. But outside of that, you'll be the lonesome and the one that, you know, trails the road and crosses the rivers and faces the Vargar on the other side or Nidagar, the serpent, the soul of Ymir.

01:32:25.260 And so Loki speaks, I have said to the gods and the sons of the god, the thing that whetted my thoughts, but before thee alone do I now go forth, for thou fightest well, I wean.

01:32:43.800 And so he's basically saying, I have said what I needed to say to the gods and to Thor, the son of the gods, who is Lord Odin, the things that have been, you know, wetting his mind.

01:33:00.560 And before he, he figures now he shall go because everyone here has given a good fight against his, his jibing.

01:33:09.980 Another, this is another stanza emphasizing that this poem was built structurally and purposely outside of explaining divine providence or explaining the goings about of the gods interacting with the other worlds.

01:33:31.980 This one really, in my opinion, has one of the lowest kind of standings because of its constant linking to other poems for the sake, I think, of passing that knowledge.

01:33:45.040 and he ends um in 65 he says ale hast thou brewed but i are now such feasts shalt thou make no more

01:33:55.420 over all that thou hast which is here within shall pass shall play the flickering flame

01:34:03.180 and thy back shall be burnt with fire so not long will you have to hold all of this

01:34:12.700 The end will come soon and everything that you hold dear will be burned.

01:34:18.260 And you will be burned as well in your betrayal, you know, by joining with the gods.

01:34:26.900 And after that, Loki hid himself in Fragnang's waterfall in the guise of a salmon.

01:34:36.140 And there the gods took him.

01:34:38.580 He was bound with the bowels of his son.

01:34:41.020 now here's again an interesting part with it says valli um

01:34:47.400 and that his but his son narvi was changed to a wolf this is another mix-up because it is narvi

01:34:57.060 who is uh it binds uh loki and it is valli who turns into a wolf and again another

01:35:08.160 problem with those translations is that the mentioning of Vali being Loki's son versus

01:35:15.520 Odin's son is generally seen as that is exactly like the mistake that happened. That Lord Odin's

01:35:23.820 son, Vali, turns into a wolf, slays Narvi, and binds Loki. Then Skadi takes a poison snake,

01:35:34.040 fastens it up over loki's face and the poison dropped thereon siggen loki's wife sat there

01:35:42.980 and held a shell under the poison but when the shell was full she bore away the poison

01:35:48.860 and meanwhile the poison dropped on loki then he struggled so hard that the whole earth

01:35:55.340 forthwith or therewith and now that is called an earthquake

01:36:00.540 and this is the end and i i think one last thing to remark too is when these um this part here

01:36:12.440 was most likely brought in during the uh composition of the poem itself and and was an

01:36:20.500 addition in order to link it to other stories mentioned especially in the gilfaginning um

01:36:30.020 and kind of establish its legitimacy and also drop in an a a point in which

01:36:37.140 that you know if there's an earthquake oh that's that's loki writhing in his

01:36:43.060 in his prison um and that would have a lot of context especially in iceland so

01:36:50.500 Um, just kind of a minor note on, um, poison, um, I've talked about it before, and especially

01:37:12.540 when we talk about the strand in the afterlife and the idea of dissolution and dissolving

01:37:21.900 poison is very often synonymous with like acid like the poison of the snake dripping on something

01:37:32.400 that was just you know a poisonous liquid it's not going to like make you writhe in agony but

01:37:39.740 acid and poison very often in classical sources is a I don't know if I'm using my uh chemistry terms

01:37:56.940 write a

01:38:02.300 a solvent as opposed to a coagulant like it dissolves it uh yeah it burns away it eats away

01:38:11.020 and it dissolves we see that motif of the idea of poison not just being something that is

01:38:18.460 like you drink it and it's toxic but also that it it has a like acidic dissolving dissolution effect

01:38:26.940 a question from go ahead i was going to bring up a point about uh about sig sigin

01:38:42.620 while you're doing it uh the question that i saw was that sarah was asking

01:38:48.140 you know how much do we know about her and how she came to marry moved

01:38:53.180 uh so there is no mentioning of her outside of this particular

01:39:04.460 these parameters there is no mention of um sigian and her origins um

01:39:13.740 and so you know we we know that her her name means uh companion of victory or uh you know

01:39:20.700 the the the one who holds uh victory um and again she is more enigmatic than uh even the the the

01:39:33.180 misplacement of vauly and narvi where narvi is described as being the that which binds

01:39:40.140 Loki and that the, you know, Vowli is also the sun. There's a huge amount of kind of

01:39:51.420 mistakes surrounding that. Sigyn is never mentioned as being an Aus or being an Alvar or an Ascendant

01:40:05.500 um though i don't know you know i don't think that uh loki would have the power to

01:40:12.220 take ascendancy from the lower realms but that perhaps it was gifted uh to him uh by the gods

01:40:21.180 but there's no mention of it and um you know the i think more so it there is the the point of

01:40:34.620 her dedication uh to her oath as a wife more so than um

01:40:46.540 who she is and it i think it it fits more a point of showing the greater tragedy the idea

01:40:56.140 especially in telling the story is that you know the audience would would even hit further

01:41:02.860 knowing that the malice of loki even affects those who cannot unbind themselves from

01:41:11.260 you know their their their obligation of of marriage um even though yes again divorce was

01:41:19.100 you know a common thing but or not common but understood thing and then you know there's no

01:41:26.900 mention of uh loki you know taking her on except you know but there's plenty of him you know sleeping

01:41:34.340 with angrabola and and just being generally degenerate in all directions um so

01:41:45.220 this is kind of the tragedy of it is that comparatively to loki siguen cuts herself as an

01:41:52.260 opposite character um and that i think builds the tragedy of nobility being affected by um

01:42:03.620 treachery and and the cunning people and people that

01:42:07.060 that cut their loyalty with those people and then have to go down with the ship if you will um

01:42:13.060 Um, but yes, outside of that, nothing. Um, she is mentioned in a couple of poems,

01:42:24.940 uh, the Gilfoginning, Skeltsgarpismal. Um, there's also kind of a really obscure,

01:42:31.600 uh, ninth century, which is, which is older and the burden of Siggins' arms is mentioned. Um,

01:42:40.480 and she's also on a stone uh or at least it's believed that it is her um because there's a

01:42:46.800 character uh bound and there is a woman holding a like a moon-shaped shell over the face of that

01:42:57.680 character so that's pretty you know straightforward but that's in england and i think that that's

01:43:04.960 interesting because it shows that this the the faith of ausa through and the stories uh traveled

01:43:12.400 with the um the northmen on multiple waves coming into england enough to the point where it was

01:43:21.680 transcribed on uh statuary and things like that um and interestingly enough crosses um

01:43:31.600 that's a whole nother kind of like thought process there but i think that

01:43:38.080 if anything to me sigyon is the last vestige of his orderliness the spirit of his orderliness

01:43:48.640 is now forced to uh suffer along with her uh his devotion um

01:43:57.360 Um, but I can't say too much because we don't know, uh, the origins of Sigyn and, uh, she's not listed really as an, uh, as an Ausseigneur or an Ausseigneur, but seen again as bound in the same fate, the noble side that must suffer the treachery of the other side.

01:44:22.420 yeah this is really the only she's mentioned a bunch of times a bunch of places but always

01:44:30.700 in reference to this one incident you know of her you know she's mentioned as

01:44:38.660 like referenced as a kenning like sigan's husband to mean loki or or whatnot but any of the story

01:44:49.080 behind her is just that, you know, she bore children for him, and she prevents his face

01:45:00.820 from getting burned by the venom as best she can for eternity, and that devotion is

01:45:10.140 not to be overlooked that's uh i don't know an interest certainly an interesting something to

01:45:19.660 think about about this person who is tied by by oath and by by loyalty to this

01:45:29.900 rather wretched individual but maintains that loyalty like eternally trying to

01:45:37.580 you know take care of them the best you can um and i mean i think we've all seen that in the world

01:45:47.520 the the long-suffering wife of of you know people who for very i mean we see it in various different

01:45:56.380 situations but you know people who are incarcerated people who are other things and you have people

01:46:01.480 that spend their entirety of their time in unadvantageous circumstances trying to do the

01:46:11.280 right thing by commitments that they've made. And so Siggins is a very tragic character in that sense.

01:46:19.760 It is a testament to her that the one thing that we do have to know her by

01:46:26.560 is by her devotion and her loyalty.

01:46:33.820 So I think it's also worth

01:46:37.240 unrelated, completely unrelated.

01:46:45.120 I'm sorry, I had a little brain thing there.

01:46:46.960 I was reading the chat.

01:46:48.840 Completely unrelated,

01:46:50.040 but I think this is a good time to bring it up.

01:46:52.760 And it's also something that Sarah mentioned

01:46:56.080 in the chat and probably because she is such a huge part of our austro academy but she wanted

01:47:04.160 me to make a plug for the austro academy those of you who might not know the afa has our very

01:47:11.280 own home school program that we get members children involved in the austro academy this

01:47:18.640 is the start of year three and we are currently enrolling students from kindergarten through

01:47:25.440 sixth grade. So, that is a huge advancement in the course that our volunteers have set up.

01:47:36.540 I believe we have 30 students currently enrolled. We would love to have more.

01:47:44.920 Whether you, first, if you are listening to this, join the AFA, get your kids in the

01:47:51.460 true academy you should absolutely do that but and that that is the perfect option i say that

01:48:00.820 that is the the best option um but if not

01:48:10.580 it is really important to do the very best that you can to protect your children from the

01:48:21.860 unwholesome degenerate influences out there that prey upon our children now more than ever

01:48:29.860 different school districts in every different municipality or county or whatever are often

01:48:35.940 very very different uh people got to do what they got to do your your life and your family

01:48:42.180 and the choices that you have to make as far as your child's education that's that's up to you

01:48:47.300 all we would love to help you as the astro folk assembly to get your kids in a place that is

01:48:53.940 safe and that reinforces our values um i don't take any glee in saying this

01:49:02.020 my mom spent her you know entire adult life as a teacher she student teaching while she

01:49:09.060 was in college and a teacher when she got out and was you know 30 years in the anchorage school

01:49:13.780 district um but public schools have gotten really really bad in a lot of places if you find yourself

01:49:23.460 in a spot where that's not the case that's awesome and i am very happy that that's your circumstance

01:49:30.340 but uh something to think about doing if you can and it's something we're very committed

01:49:35.060 as the afa to help you do and this is something that

01:49:38.740 even saying this i guess it it's self-serving i'm about to enroll aubrey when it's time she's

01:49:51.920 seemed like in the blink of an eye she's already you know four and a half or whatnot or almost

01:49:58.480 so relatively quickly and as the person's going to be you know implementing the homeschooling

01:50:07.760 that's it's scary because i don't know bureaucratic stuff you wonder you know is this going to count

01:50:14.080 am i going to make sure i get everything right by my state is you know how do you do this where do

01:50:19.680 you even start all of that can seem really overwhelming to parents and that's the big part

01:50:25.600 of our commitment in the austro academy is to make sure that we are holding the hands of these parents

01:50:32.480 through that whole process to make sure you have the confidence to know you can do this

01:50:39.120 and you have help doing this so um please consider that if you're able um

01:50:48.640 because it's a good thing and it you know we are raising the future and uh

01:50:54.480 I know you guys want what's best for your kids.

01:50:58.540 I do, too.

01:50:59.900 If we can help with that, we would love to.

01:51:03.720 Whatever you decide, know that homeschooling is, and I say this, this is if you're in the United States, different countries have different rules.

01:51:12.560 But homeschooling is a thing.

01:51:14.660 It is a good thing.

01:51:15.860 It is something that you absolutely can do, whether you do it with us, you do it by yourself, you do it with someone else.

01:51:22.300 if you can I would encourage you to do so and and just know that don't be scared of it it's a thing

01:51:32.260 it's established there are resources there are ways to help it is doable and it may be something

01:51:38.240 you really want to consider um is there any other stuff you want to leave folks with tonight

01:51:50.220 it's kind of brief. I don't know what everybody else has got going on. Hopefully everybody

01:51:55.000 is engaged in something awesome and exciting this evening. Always good to have a Svon episode.

01:52:03.520 We didn't have a whole lot to cover tonight. We were finishing up something. Svon's going

01:52:08.000 to be joining us again two weeks from today as we go through the Prims Veda.

01:52:20.220 but next week we got a fun episode for you guys it's going to be interesting so we're going through

01:52:28.300 doing our special hawk district episodes those are a lot of fun we get a lot of faces on here

01:52:35.660 that you know you guys are probably getting bored hearing from me and maybe even bored hearing from

01:52:41.020 swan i don't know uh but we're gonna have a bunch of new faces and folks you don't get to interact

01:52:46.780 with a lot that have things to share about their district and stuff they're excited about

01:52:51.420 um so i'm looking forward to that should be a fun episode and a nice way to bring us into

01:52:58.620 like literally the next day following that folks are starting to show up for uh frayfaxi at

01:53:05.420 valdershoff proper so that'll be really nice it'll be a nice way to lead into that event make sure

01:53:11.100 you join us then um swan did anything you wanted to throw at folks this evening yeah i just wanted

01:53:20.620 to bring up the point too that a lot of folks wonder about the legitimacy of this poem the

01:53:28.300 legitimacy of its uh accusations and i think that it's worth noting that the insult is more

01:53:35.420 important than the reality based on the way that the poem is being expressed um i feel that this

01:53:41.980 poem is really kind of a hub uh and an attempt by the poet to link to other poems um and it also

01:53:50.220 kind of fills in at a time in which the decline the faith of our gods uh was at a height it was

01:54:00.220 the last it was the the the final bastion um the gods have become hemerized to such a degree

01:54:11.100 and i think ultimately there were certain things that our ancestors didn't do well

01:54:18.220 that could have served them to make a far more successful um state of being uh of course

01:54:27.420 all of the adas serve as a seed and that the gods knew that they would be back and that the gods

01:54:34.040 actually never left i would also argue that they've been with us the entirety of the time

01:54:39.440 um but that their proper titling would be back uh for their people and um you know so whenever

01:54:50.880 you see or meet someone that may take a lot of this or try to attempt to uh hold this as being

01:54:57.060 some sort of ground um you know i think it is worth noting that's probably on the character

01:55:04.180 of the person i've seen um people who are like monotheistic most likely uh white christians

01:55:11.620 attempt to use locus senna as some sort of um aha i got you moment and um

01:55:20.500 you know i i don't pay them any i would say pay them no heed because they don't understand how

01:55:25.780 the legitimacy of the poem is very very frail the other is um

01:55:32.500 you might find some people who claim to be uh dedicated to loki if you will and it's you know

01:55:40.500 anybody who honors a kinslayer and who honors or leans towards the side of chaos um you know

01:55:51.700 is certainly not ousted through and uh you find them oftentimes painting the gods as being

01:55:58.500 the bad ones in this situation and that's because they're not heroic they're not heroic people um

01:56:05.380 and much of our society kind of reflects that where it's the the anti-hero or the the um the

01:56:11.140 ones who are strong and willing to you know have convictions are seen as bad guys compared to the

01:56:17.540 one who's you know white livered or you know has a split tongue or or what have you again you know

01:56:24.980 those people just they're basically only a presence on the internet they're they're facilitating the 0.84

01:56:31.140 ideals of our religion in order to or even the antithetical ideals of our religion to facilitate

01:56:39.700 their edginess and what have you um and i think that the gods really pay them very little mind

01:56:45.460 well this is something that you know i guess i guess we'll close with so

01:56:54.900 first even in within the text itself within the text itself and i noticed this and it was

01:57:01.780 interesting in stanza 54 it even in the original text has a reference in parentheses that loki is

01:57:11.140 the crafter of lies so it even says when he's throwing out these accusations like in in text

01:57:18.580 like that's what he does is craft lies but the other thing is people

01:57:29.460 our faith suffers from people looking at it as a historical oddity and not treating it as religion

01:57:38.340 if you start from the point that our gods are real beings that exist that our ancestors

01:57:48.300 worshipped and that we are are worshiping today then a whole lot of things make a lot more sense

01:57:55.260 of course you couldn't support loki's terrible um all of his actions well the vast majority of his

01:58:03.600 actions are dishonorable and bad and and you know at different points straight evil um you can't

01:58:14.880 literally be loyal to living gods that exist while supporting you know one who murders

01:58:24.080 one of their ranks or who arranges for that and betrays and is known by his treachery

01:58:31.280 it's just antithetical and it makes no sense

01:58:34.820 but where confusion comes in is people

01:58:36.920 the same

01:58:38.900 edgelord

01:58:40.180 folks that are struggling

01:58:42.940 with their problems

01:58:44.480 the adorners of couches 0.63

01:58:46.640 like to

01:58:47.620 they like to get

01:58:51.660 the same type of person

01:58:54.600 that would embrace

01:58:55.760 being satanic 0.77

01:58:58.260 is the kind of person 0.93

01:59:00.480 that would embrace loki worship just because they choose to express their edgelordness

01:59:08.720 within our cosmology doesn't make the mouse a true any more than a satanist and i don't mean

01:59:18.480 like a esoteric satanist even though they might fall in this category as well but the kids that

01:59:25.480 are like look at me worship the devil they function in the same cosmology as christianity

01:59:33.400 or judaism they're not christians there's not they don't have the pretense that they are

01:59:41.640 we're not yet at a point in our faith where some people realize that is self-evident um

01:59:48.360 Um, but yeah, another thing by, if you run into folks that are low-key worshippers, 100% of the time in my personal experience, you don't have to dig very deeply to see the trauma and ill health of their own life and their own existence.

02:00:19.160 they are very folks that worship the forces of chaos whether they fully believe in them or not

02:00:26.280 invite that into their life in in a way and it is always unhealthy and it is usually very very

02:00:35.720 evident how unhealthy it is and so i think that's worth i think that's worth thinking

02:00:43.720 um we just have two more uh questions that have popped up on the side

02:00:48.360 A quick question. Would the AFA publish an official AFA book of prayers? Since we only have the recorded prayer in our lore, do we not write new ones?

02:00:59.240 um it's not a hard no on that I

02:01:04.720 sure at some point we might could do that it is so far different from the way that

02:01:13.560 I pray I wouldn't know where to begin like we could create we could craft some that are poetic

02:01:21.880 certainly and I think that's absolutely appropriate for us to do I've always been one who

02:01:28.920 I pray from the heart in the moment. So it's not ever been something that I, I write out or that

02:01:36.680 I compose. I've heard very beautiful prayers that are composed. So I'm not, I'm not criticizing that

02:01:44.020 in any way. It's just not, it's a very foreign thing to how I approach it. But yeah, I think

02:01:53.860 that those, I think that things like that will come about more and more. And I would love to

02:02:00.100 see that kind of thing. The next question met a random chick at work who was wearing a mule near 1.00

02:02:08.800 and had no idea what the AFA was. American something something, she said. So here's the

02:02:15.940 thing. And I've said this, and I continue to say this. And this is why we would greatly appreciate

02:02:22.220 your help this is the question it's rhetorical i'm not oh awesome so you anticipated my question

02:02:29.740 and you did the right thing good for you uh albert goldsteinberg um shalom so

02:02:42.220 muzzle top i appreciate i appreciate you doing that though the question is you know did you

02:02:47.020 tell her what the afa is there's so many people and it always surprises me because we are

02:02:54.860 our world is wrapped up in the afa to where it's self-evident of how does anybody not

02:02:59.660 know about the afa this is the entirety of existence so many of our people don't know we exist

02:03:06.540 that is the biggest hurdle to membership growth is that the people that should be with us

02:03:17.820 don't know we exist so we're doing our best to get the message out that's a big part of what

02:03:24.560 this program is about and with the current political climate that we live in some opportunities

02:03:34.620 you know facebook and instagram are not available to us and that's where so many people are

02:03:41.100 we need each and every person who is a member who is a supporter of what we do

02:03:47.180 who notices what we do and and appreciates spread the word let people know invite people

02:03:55.900 to be part of this program invite people to join us invite people to go to our website

02:04:02.220 roomzone.org word of mouth is a really effective tool and we would appreciate any and all of your

02:04:09.900 help in doing that um i like this last comment here dan v it is it is not for them but you know

02:04:22.700 what it may be from some of their friends or family that they might that they might know um

02:04:27.820 um so we we were happy to sort those people out um i just pictured the uh the it was like the

02:04:36.840 kermit the frog cartoon you know how to get to the afa and it's like yeah back the way you came

02:04:42.380 get out of here we you know we and we get we get strange folks that are not suitable for

02:04:51.860 membership that applies sometimes that happens but yeah spread the word we'd love to have all

02:05:00.680 we would love to have more people join us in what we do we'd love to have people know of our

02:05:06.940 reputation and what we what we are doing and who we are and we're working on that every day we're

02:05:14.200 always looking for new ways to to make that happen appreciate you guys being with us this evening

02:05:20.400 Svan, as always, we appreciate you.

02:05:23.400 Thank you.

02:05:24.580 And doesn't get enough love, Nick, behind the scenes,

02:05:27.720 making all these shows happen,

02:05:30.020 been instrumental in every one of these programs

02:05:33.040 and been, you know, live and in action

02:05:35.300 for 108 of the 109 episodes.

02:05:42.060 Yeah, we appreciate you, Nick.

02:05:43.740 Thank you for all you do.

02:05:44.860 Until next time, hail the Aesir, hail the folk, hail the AFA, and remember, victory never sleeps.

02:05:55.720 Good night, everyone.

02:06:14.860 We'll be right back.

02:06:44.860 Thank you.

02:07:14.860 Thank you.

02:07:44.860 Thank you.

02:08:14.860 Thank you.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - August 08, 2024

8⧸7⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 109 - Lokasenna, Part 2

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