00:03:00.000hello welcome back to another exciting edition of victory never sleeps in for a treat today
00:03:15.840for the first time on victory never sleeps i believe we have an afa member and afa leader
00:03:21.520from outside the united states so uh we got folk builder eric lugnet from sweden
00:03:30.000almost in finland um staying up in the middle of the night over there to
00:03:36.480make this broadcast and talk to all you fine folks so we're very excited to have him on um
00:03:45.760as always we are broadcasting live on youtube on twitter or x on uh odyssey rumble
00:04:00.000and Entropy and VK as well. So you're welcome to ask us questions on any and all of those
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00:04:17.860appreciated when he goes to the AFA General Fund and helps us accomplish all of the things that we
00:04:25.000are doing our best to accomplish for our gods and our folk um yeah you can do that on uh sorry i
00:04:34.280was distracted for a second you can donate or do the super chats on entropy or rumble
00:04:40.520um coming up very soon we have uh frayers harvest feast in montana
00:04:48.200that's at a member's homestead there that he and his family are building.
00:04:55.300The McNallans are set and ready to attend that, so it'll be exciting for anybody to get a chance
00:05:00.780to meet the founders, you know, the founder of Ausatru in the modern era, and certainly
00:05:09.160the founders of the Ausatru Folk Assembly, and Sheila, who is kind of the
00:05:16.840I don't know the template for any folk building the AFA literally building this family for
00:05:25.720you know on largely her own efforts for almost 20 years and she's still going strong
00:05:34.120building it with us today as we are in our 28th year so both those people are great to meet
00:05:41.060lovely people. If you can make it, do. If you can make it and you're not a member and you want to
00:05:49.580show up, please reach out to your folk builder and they can get you all squared. If you want to
00:05:54.760attend and you are not a member, please reach out to your folk builder and they'll get you squared
00:05:58.320away. If you want to attend and you are a member, also reach out to your folk builder. They'll give
00:06:02.540you any details you may need to know. This one's out there in the sticks a little bit, but I tell
00:06:07.220what nobody ever goes through these things and then regrets it but a lot of people see pictures
00:06:11.460after the fact and regret not going um seeing that of uh midsummer 2009 and just kicking myself
00:06:21.380for not attending is why i went to 2010 why you know it's kind of what started me on on being
00:06:27.540able to sit here today so go out to these events if you can the next one after that if for some
00:06:33.220reason you can't make it or even if you can we're going to be hosting winter nights at
00:06:37.860sigerheim for the very first time now this is usually a uh more of a pennsylvania ohio
00:06:46.900northeast event but due to some logistics things this year it's being hosted at sigerheim very
00:06:53.380excited to have you guys out there if you've been there you know it's a magical and amazing place
00:06:57.540if you have not been there yet please come down and share that experience with us and
00:07:05.140i don't know breathe the sacred air of sigerheim it's a it's such a special special place and i
00:07:10.980can't communicate that enough to you until you're there and experience it yourself so
00:07:14.900we look forward to seeing you there um without further ado i'd like to introduce you eric and
00:07:25.140have you, you know, something I do for anybody's first time on here is have them tell folks a
00:07:31.380little bit about themselves, how they got involved in Ausitru, and how they got involved in the
00:07:36.500Ausitru Folk Assembly. So, if you could introduce yourself to our listeners.
00:07:43.560Yeah, so I guess the most important things, I'm married. I'm a father of two daughters.
00:07:55.140i live up in northern sweden on the border of sweden and finland and i've been a member of the
00:08:03.860afa since early 2018 and i've been been aware of the afa for a little while maybe a year or something
00:08:14.660like that and my sort of journey towards um finding my and rediscovering my roots really
00:08:23.220I would say started perhaps around 2016 and just a lot of being exposed to a lot of different voices and ideas on the internet and coming out of a secular atheist perspective point of view, which had never really sat well with me, really.
00:08:48.880I always felt that something was lacking, was missing.
00:08:52.460And I'd actually always been sort of intrigued by Christianity, I suppose you could say.
00:09:00.160I like to read the Bible, and I was fascinated by the idea of having sort of these mythical stories
00:09:09.740that would then instruct you in your day-to-day life.
00:09:13.620It was just that the stories of the Bible didn't make sense to me.
00:09:18.780But it was very interesting that just that idea and then starting to bit by bit discovering also true, it started to make sense that this is what I'm looking for.
00:09:31.300and um but it wasn't until i met my wife and we got engaged that i decided that
00:09:40.120we're going to be part of this this church the as a true focus family i've been lurking around on
00:09:48.220on facebook when when we still were on facebook and i saw these pictures of the people getting
00:09:55.260together and and smiles and and children and and just this this proper vibrant community
00:10:02.420and uh just this focus on on the family and it all made sense to me and once i knew that i was
00:10:11.840going to form a family of my own i i knew that this was going to be the the people for for my
00:10:18.720family that we were going to make ourselves a part of so that's um that's when we when we both joined
00:10:27.120in 2018 and i started folk building in it's a should be about two years ago now 2021 i became
00:10:38.400an apprentice and started folk building and i've been doing that ever ever since and i'm very
00:10:45.520very happy to be part of the afa and i'm very very happy being able to help out in any way i can
00:10:53.120in my role as in leadership well we appreciate it we're happy to have you over there doing what
00:11:00.080you're doing and interfacing with our european members and i actually met you in colorado can
00:11:09.600Can you tell people a little bit about how you found yourself in Colorado for, shoot,
00:30:38.940She understood that she was desired, but she respected herself to such a degree that she outright had two suitors killed because she felt that she was being dishonored because these were people that were not worthy of her gifts, of her, and were not mannered enough to address her properly.
00:31:08.940So, I've got a lot and I don't want to, I don't want to miss the point, or I don't want to, I guess, flow stream of consciousness here and maybe not make sense, but there's some things that I'd really like to say.
00:31:27.160Um, one thing that, uh, I mean, I think a lot of us notice in society generally,
00:31:36.580but in my position as I was here, your Goethe, and just as a, as a Goethe, generally, a lot of
00:31:45.680what I do is counseling and helping people. And we talk on this program a lot about soul sickness
00:31:52.660and about the various ways that our people are suffering because of social conditioning
00:32:02.400and sicknesses of the time that we live in and separation from our traditional values
00:32:09.560and from our gods for a very long time, generationally.
00:32:12.840Um, you mentioned a lot of this in what you were saying, Eric, and I think it was, was spot on.
00:32:24.340Um, society has taught our women for, I don't know, 60 or 70 years now,0.97
00:32:35.000Varying shades of women, women and feminine things are bad or are not of as much value or not as good or less than are subpar in a direct comparison to men.0.99
00:32:56.500so the only way that women can be valuable and taken seriously and celebrated is by them0.98
00:33:04.420pretending that they're men and trying to be the best men they can be and0.94
00:33:14.420that is terribly damaging in so many ways but one of them is it set up a paradigm to where they
00:33:22.660cannot possibly win if the ultimate arbiter of value is man or not man the very best woman will
00:33:35.060never be better than the very worst man because at the end of the day you know not to be vulgar
00:33:41.460but they can drop their pants one of them's a man one of them's not that's such a low standard
00:33:48.660and it's such an insidious device that it puts a goal in front of them that no matter how hard
00:34:02.360they tried they could never possibly be satisfied with a reach but in the meantime we've watched0.87
00:34:08.860generations of ladies spend their life pursuing something they can never quite attain and missing
00:34:18.220out on all the amazing things that are inherent to them, and look back with a lot of regret.
00:34:25.900One of the things that I've seen is this desperate need for acknowledgement. One thing that I hate
00:34:32.540seeing is whenever we have a symbol, and someone wants to raise a general toast to men, or to,
00:34:43.740you know if it's father's day and they want to raise a toast to to the fathers
00:34:49.560if they're talking about soldiers and they want to talk about men who've gone and fought and died
00:34:56.160it's you can almost count on it there's a knee-jerk immediate response i want to raise1.00
00:35:02.380a horn too to the women that did stuff yay women and
00:35:07.320the there's obvious reasons that that's cringy and not great but what it says to me on a deeper
00:35:17.780level is there's this desperate need for validation that if men get praised they have
00:35:26.020to get something too because there's a desperation there and i don't care if they want to raise a0.78
00:35:31.460horn to girl power. What I care about is the fact that something inside of them is broken0.94
00:35:39.220to where they are so desperate for that acknowledgement. And I want my daughter raised
00:35:45.860in a place where she doesn't feel a desperate need to do that. And you'll notice men don't do
00:35:52.240that. If it's Mother's Day and we want to raise a horn to the mothers, somebody's like,
00:35:57.100dads are good too nobody does that because we don't have that's not one of the ways that our
00:36:04.300soul is broken it is one of the things about our ladies i would like to see fixed and i think it0.54
00:36:09.340has this inherent devaluation that our culture especially nowadays when you know we're as a0.83
00:36:18.700society pretending that gender doesn't exist reality has a way of pulling the carpet out
00:36:28.140from under you if you exist in an imaginary bubble of wokeness that by legislation people
00:36:35.260aren't allowed to pop when reality sets in you realize that in the competition to be a man
00:36:42.860Again, no matter what surgeries and hormones and anything you do, you will never reach that goal.
00:36:52.120That's devastating if that's the only way you see value.
00:37:04.120She not only did she understand her value, but her contemporaries did as well.
00:37:09.500That's why the suitors were lining up.
00:37:12.480she had tremendous value value in her femininity and her being a woman in her being the mother of1.00
00:37:22.800kings in her being able to produce offspring of she is that blood link to the kings of old1.00
00:37:30.400to the kings of the future of dynasties bringing them together of literally forging kingdoms
00:37:36.800through choices that she made and she felt that and everyone around her knew that
00:37:44.400so this goes into you know it's it's me and eric two guys sitting here you know telling you ladies
00:37:52.480about lady stuff and in a way it's preposterous in another way we're two fathers of daughters
00:38:01.040who are tremendously interested in the things that we're saying because they matter to us in a way
00:38:08.160that they isn't as readily available to maybe some others so um one of the things i always
00:38:17.760getting a little bit emotional thinking about it i apologize for that but um
00:38:22.480just thinking of stuff with my daughter i always always always try to
00:38:27.520I don't know tell her how special she is tell her you know in silly ways just like yay Aubrey's the
00:38:36.500best yay and just tell her how great she is all the time because I don't want her feeling like
00:38:41.900she's not I want to reinforce that and ingrain that from literally the day she was born
00:38:48.660to where she knows that and she feels that because I think that that
00:38:54.360lack of feeling valuable often puts our ladies in very vulnerable positions when they are1.00
00:39:02.860least able to fend them off when they're young when they're in school age when they're around
00:39:08.120you know teenagers and guys into their 20s they're put in a very vulnerable position
00:39:16.840And I want, I don't want her to have those questions in her mind about her value that she's going into the game with.
00:39:28.800One of the things that's fundamental in what we do and in the tradition of our ancestors is this special, there's so many things, a couple of things, just to mention off the top of it.
00:39:42.900So when it came to having a tangibility with the interaction with our gods and with the world beyond the veil, women have always had a special ability that way that men don't have.
00:40:04.200um women are much more likely to be perceptive of those things to have what you know some would
00:40:12.160call second sight to be able to interact with spiritual forces in a way that men
00:40:18.840either can't or it's much harder for them to come by uh it's one of the things that tacitus talks
00:40:26.000about amongst our ancestors and why the the position of of vulva or safe kona was such an
00:40:34.080important thing because these women had this ability inherently to their to their sex to their
00:40:39.840gender that the men didn't have um so there's there's that and it goes into and i hope this
00:40:48.000makes sense and please ask questions if this wanders and and doesn't isn't as clear as i'd like
00:40:54.240to be women have an ability to shape and distribute power in a way that men don't
00:41:05.840now men wield power men execute power with their will but that power is0.98
00:41:15.840transmitted and bestowed by the women and by the people they choose to acknowledge
00:41:22.160to show favor to to to give themselves to in a way um you know the the prize of queen sigrid
00:41:31.040to whatever man was able to to win her as a wife was a tremendous transmission of power
00:41:37.600and of dignity and of status of regality itself and we see that in our ritual culture that's the
00:41:44.960reason that the horn passes in high symbol from women to the person speaking back to women that
00:41:52.640ability of controlling who gets the horn who served first in the feasting hall who gets their
00:41:59.520drinks first the order in which people are seated we see that tremendously a really good book to
00:42:06.240read ladies if you're interested in this is lady with the mead cup it is a dry read it is repetitive
00:42:14.240but it is worth the labor. And it speaks a lot about that ability to show and to distribute
00:42:21.680power. And all of that may seem ethereal, but in real world situations, you see this.
00:42:32.360In a room full of people, women distribute social credit in a very important way.0.77
00:42:39.720the highest you know objectively all things being equal the highest valued guys in that room1.00
00:42:47.400if all the women ignore them and pick out one of the lower valued guys and show him deference and0.76
00:42:54.900attention and take care of him and ooh and all over what he says immediately the power dynamic
00:43:01.580of that room changes and I think that we've all seen that it's one of the reasons we talk about
00:43:07.380our ladies and their ability to be frith weavers if we're in a room and me and eric are having a
00:43:14.420dispute amongst each other mandy and laura on the side can fix all of that in a way that men0.64
00:43:22.340don't do nearly as well they have the ability to bring us together to soothe our you know anger
00:43:31.540or whatever indignity we feel we've suffered or whatever and make that work they have the ability
00:43:38.820to take guys who are shy who are on the wall who are scared to talk make them feel like a million
00:43:45.060bucks and introduce them to the group to where they're part of stuff and they're included they
00:43:50.420have the ability to take guys that are acting inappropriately who are behaving ignobly who
00:43:57.780are being bullies whatever else they're doing by not showing those guys attention
00:44:04.420they're arbiters of what is socially acceptable or not socially acceptable and women possess0.99
00:44:12.020a tremendous power for that not just in terms of regality or distribution of spiritual might with1.00
00:44:19.620the drinking horn of just helping groups of people get along together of the smooth flow
00:44:27.620or not of society they have those choices they possess tremendous power amongst themselves and
00:44:40.420it's important for i guess the social economy1.00
00:44:45.540When women hold themselves with dignity, things function in a really special way and have tremendous potential that they don't have. When those women are functioning out of desperation or out of a lack of self-esteem, it messes up that whole economy.1.00
00:45:07.660It messes up society. The ability to, I don't know, women are extremely important. They're1.00
00:45:17.520extremely valuable inherently in the gifts and the blessings that they come into this world with.
00:45:25.780And it's very important to instill, and this is back to the question of what we can do with our
00:45:31.540daughters. We can show them other female role models that are doing it right and encourage0.99
00:45:38.260their interaction and learning from these women. We can build them up from the day they are born0.93
00:45:45.060to celebrate how wonderful them being women is and how special they are. And we can reinforce1.00
00:45:54.160that and build a solid foundation. When children go out into the world and become adults,
00:46:01.540so much of their strengths and their weaknesses go back to childhood and how they were raised
00:46:08.200and experiences they had when they were still forming their sense of who they were and their
00:46:13.560identity in the world. We can't fix everything for them. But if in those, you know, 18 years that we
00:46:23.720have that much influence over them. If we can fill them up with that much value and love and
00:46:32.260sense of self, they're much better equipped to face the world. And so I'm hopeful that we can
00:46:40.000all do our very best at making that happen. So the ladies of, you know, 20 years from now are
00:46:46.100in a better situation than the ladies of 20 years ago. And hopefully that keeps getting better.
00:46:53.720Um, that was rambly, but it's something I think about since I had a daughter. It's amazing how the everything changes when you have kids. And I knew that before I had kids. It's something you hear all the time, but you know it on a much different level when you do. And I absolutely feel that.
00:47:15.380So, speaking of one of the ladies that our women would do well to look up to and learn from, Githya Anna says, Ufda, what time is it over there?
00:52:00.800And for our ancestors, that was a horrible idea.1.00
00:52:04.660you knew everything was at its most desperate and falling apart if you had to enlist your females
00:52:11.620into warfare if you're at that point where your ladies are having to fight then your men haven't
00:52:17.380done their job right and that's you know by all means do what you have to out of desperation
00:52:23.860but that's not the world we want to build i don't ever want my daughter to have to
00:52:28.020put her life in the balance in combat. That's not what I'm raising a daughter for. And if she
00:52:35.420finds herself in that spot, it's because I and later her husband have done a poor job of taking
00:52:43.060care of her. It's just, it's so wrongheaded. And I am, I'm working very hard. And I think a lot of
00:52:52.380us are to make sure that that changes and our women don't have to post the same ridiculous meme1.00
00:53:00.440when they grow up. Our next question, has anyone or anyone have an opinion of Earth Hager? I have
00:53:12.880no idea who that is, so I have no opinion of them. Eric, do you know who this person is?
00:53:17.940Not in great detail, but I do know of him. I think he is from Iceland and he runs a YouTube channel where he talks about, I'm not necessarily wanting to say Asatru because it's quite, he talks around Asatru at least.
00:53:47.940say um i believe that he may be an archaeologist or something like that but uh i have a low opinion
00:53:56.100of him because he is um uh he is not on on our side he is not a uh he is not focused and i'm
00:54:03.780not entirely sure if he's actually religious or not that he he might just be sort of studying the
00:54:12.980the the ruins of of of the past and sort of making conjecture and things like that but uh
00:54:19.220but yeah i i have a low opinion of him but i haven't watched his stuff in in years
00:54:26.020yeah i wish i could give you more but i've this is the first i've heard of him so i really don't
00:54:30.660have much to add over on entropy we have a five dollar donation from sarah thank you so much sarah
00:54:40.180and it comes with a question a couple of months back you mentioned that the leading cause of death
00:54:46.820in the afa was suicide recently i went through suicide prevention training for my job
00:54:54.100do our go far do training to recognize the warning signs and for counseling
00:55:00.660um yes a couple of things on that first
00:55:04.980not nearly enough. And I would love to do more and incorporate more of that.
00:55:13.420We had a, we had a member for a time who was employed in the mental health industry as a
00:55:20.960psychologist. And she did a training with our go-thar on that. And it was a one and done. So,
00:55:28.560I mean, that doesn't count as like ongoing training for all of our go-thar, but we did
00:55:32.480have her speak to us about that because it was such an issue and that was valuable i would like
00:55:38.400to continue training on that when i say we have no training on that no we don't have the formal
00:55:43.920workplace training like you're uh you're mentioning or any kind of specialized
00:55:49.360counseling training on that what we do have from training is
00:55:54.000is the 28 years of Gothic practice in the AFA, which I can't speak for the time before I was
00:56:04.800ordained, but last, now I got to sit here and math. I've been a Gothi for 11 years now. And
00:56:16.140And in that time, easily, I don't know, 60% or more of my job is counseling. So what we do have is the shared experience of all of our Gothar in life and in counseling.
00:56:33.060One of the big points that I make, and I don't mean this nearly as pessimistic as it may come across, but in the counseling, there's two levels of value.
00:56:57.740there's the first level of how best to help this person and trying to help them as best they can
00:57:04.460but when lose or draw through the counseling experience you are much better prepared the
00:57:09.580next time this kind of situation happens and that's something that we've tried to
00:57:15.740get the maximum benefit out of figuring out what's worked and what hasn't
00:57:21.740um things that we can tighten up and get better on warning signs that some of us have noticed that
00:57:29.720maybe others aren't familiar with that's one of the biggest strengths of our go-thar is we have
00:57:35.200all of our shared experience that we talk to each other about with people in so many different walks
00:57:41.760of life with so many different experiences that we can draw on each other for strength that way
00:57:50.080And in that sense, we do have training on those kind of things often. I would like to get some more formalized training in specifically suicide prevention and like recognition of those kind of signs.
00:58:05.260Um, but yeah, that's something at the forefront of our mind and counseling is
00:58:11.440probably the biggest single component of our, um, mentorship program within,
00:58:28.180I'm going to beat someone to the obvious question, which of our virtues does Queen Sigrid best
00:58:40.420represent? Well, I already said earlier, I think that she represents fidelity in the sense that
00:58:52.140she is loyal to our gods and loyal to herself and her sense of worth in these situations but eric
00:59:00.060what do you think of our our noble virtues that she most embodies oh you you beat me to it i was
00:59:07.500also going to say that um uh obviously as you've talked about it uh fidelity uh comes to mind i
00:59:15.340think is very very clearly the case that she is remains true to to the gods to the aesir and like
00:59:23.340you said she is also true to herself and true to her worth and true to um her responsibilities as
00:59:31.740this noble woman as this mother of kings but i also think that um tangentially at least that
00:59:41.740that she exemplifies honor in that she is dishonored by, from her point of view, at least from these suitors
00:59:51.360who are not worthy of her and are not well-mannered, and she gives retribution and rights this wrong.
01:00:01.920And thus so also with Olav, as he disrespects her and dishonors her, she goes after him and uses all her cunning and intellect and also biding her time and not just, you know, she doesn't lash out at him.
01:00:20.480she just calmly explained to him that this is this might be your bane olav like what your display
01:00:29.600here might end up spelling the beginning of your end and and she does bide her time and she manages
01:00:40.080to get these three powerful willful men to do her bidding and go and seek out olav and and defeat
01:00:49.280him in battle greatly and have him fling himself into the sea with his armor on and have him sink0.97
01:00:57.120to the bottom of the water. So I think that she also exemplifies honor. Absolutely, absolutely.
01:01:09.120um next oh first before we get to questions um
01:01:20.240ronald thank you so much for again donating tonight you donate every time i see you on here
01:01:27.280it's much much appreciated and i want you to know that thank you um from the wolf throne has the afa
01:01:35.680gotten any shield maiden types and i'm okay shield maiden types sorry i was doing the air quotes
01:01:42.240outside the camera screen uh if so how do you convince them to drop the viking warrior act
01:01:49.440and become more traditionally feminine that is a really
01:01:56.640it's a good question and it's it's a deep question
01:01:59.600we get that much less often now we used to get that all the time um
01:02:16.640it is hard sometimes with that like you're with a lot of these things with a lot of the mental
01:02:26.780illness that distributes itself with us within our folk it's easy to find it cringy
01:02:35.820to find it embarrassing to find it funny or to find it disgusting
01:02:43.100once you get past all of those initial reactions to it it's very often heartbreaking
01:02:50.860Um, in my time, the women that I have known that are, that claim to be shield maiden Valkyrie warriors are very, very broken and damaged women that have often suffered tremendous abuse in their life.
01:03:16.460And so they've created this pretend persona that maybe if they push it hard enough and if they Viking LARP hard enough, maybe they can convince you and I think vicariously convince themselves that they are strong and powerful women when in reality they're very weak and very broken women.
01:03:46.460you ask how we convince them to put down the LARP and stop being Xena Warrior Princess0.99
01:03:56.060and try to embrace femininity. And I don't think convincing them is a way to go because I think0.71
01:04:06.680they immediately dig in their heels and become attached to the thing you're trying to get them
01:04:16.720to break free of. The biggest thing you can do to validate their shield maidenness is to try to get
01:04:31.180a fight or an argument with them and then in their mind you're two dudes arguing in reality
01:04:45.900putting a very damaged woman in a position where she goes all in embracing her damage
01:04:53.180The best thing I've seen is to not acknowledge the nonsense, to praise and celebrate the femininity when it happens, and to do the best that we can externally to build for them a place where they can let their guard down, where they don't feel like they need the coping mechanism,0.74
01:05:20.180mechanism and where they can just be girls and be happy with it and I've seen that work really well0.61
01:05:30.180if you refuse to treat them as shield maidens and you still treat them like ladies
01:05:38.340it has an effect and over time it has an effect and if we structure the environment to where we
01:05:45.620We incentivize that by celebrating it, by treating them a certain way, and we de-emphasize their
01:05:56.560shield-made nonsense, and we don't celebrate that. We don't clap for it and cheer for it.
01:06:04.000We ignore it and move on and put the emphasis on the things that we do value.
01:06:09.140people are social creatures and they start coming around to the peer pressure of the
01:06:15.300room they're in on how to act right. We've all heard our whole lives about all the bad
01:06:22.640things peer pressure does. It has the potential to do some really good things too. So let's focus
01:06:28.680on ways that we can peer pressure folks into being healthy, peer pressure folks into being
01:06:34.520happy and fulfilled peer pressure folks into being their very best version of themselves they can be
01:06:42.280and i say that please anyone listening to this peer pressure me into being my best self i will
01:06:47.960thank you for it i promise um do you have any thoughts on that is that something that you run
01:06:55.480into in your travels eric uh i would say that i don't run into it as uh as as much as maybe
01:07:09.320you guys have been in america i think that it is a phenomenon that is less prevalent in europe it
01:07:18.120seems to be more of a thing in the us and maybe it's uh i i would i think that a lot of it has
01:07:25.720to do with these sort of um uh tv shows like vikings and things things like that is what i
01:07:31.400would would guess at least but i don't think that that is not the um uh it's not the tv shows that
01:07:38.680that make these women uh want to be want to be men but like you said it it it's because that they are
01:07:46.600damaged and i i think that they haven't been protected in their lives as they've grown up so
01:07:53.800they've had to sort of take on this this very aggressive pseudo male role to to defend themselves
01:08:02.760really and sort of put out their barbs um and i think like you said when you don't engage in this
01:08:11.240behavior because they they want you to engage them in in uh in sort of this this arguing or
01:08:16.680this fighting is because that's that's that's how the way they know how to deal with people
01:08:23.000is to be aggressive and fighting but when you don't indulge them in that i think you give them
01:08:29.240an opportunity to soften and lower their defenses and sort of um go back to their their authentic
01:08:39.000femininity um doesn't doesn't mean that that that is uh something that's going to change someone
01:08:45.560overnight but uh it's the the right thing right thing to do absolutely um our next question
01:08:55.080mr lugnet happy to see you here hail being in sweden do you feel that sweden is special and
01:09:04.600closer to our gods are you seeing an awakening of our folk and our religion in your country thanks
01:09:14.600okay so that's uh sort of two questions i suppose i'll start with the first one um so
01:09:22.040uh yes i think that sweden is is uh is special i think every country uh is special and people might
01:09:32.280be or some people at least might be surprised i've given this a lot of thought recently actually
01:09:38.120that i will say that sweden is not closer to our gods yes we may have um a longer history than if
01:09:48.600we compared to to the us of of practicing also true uh just in europe in general of course but
01:09:57.320i don't think that you can say that a swede practicing also true in sweden versus an american
01:10:05.560practicing also true in the u.s that the the swede is closer to the gods than the american i don't
01:10:12.440think that that's how how that works i think that that relationship that because it is a relationship
01:10:20.440it's not there are there are energies and powers to be found in different places
01:10:28.040but the relationship is between us and our gods and our ancestors and that transcends
01:10:36.680whether we are on one side of the planet or the other side of the planet so actually i don't think
01:10:42.840that that we're closer to our gods in sweden and i think it is sort of a a trap both for europeans
01:10:54.920on on the one hand but also for americans on the other hand that don't as americans don't denigrate
01:11:03.080or um look down on on the fact that you are in america and you're not it is not that it
01:11:12.520you have this idea that it is not as authentic as me being in sweden and and practicing also true
01:11:18.840we're both we're both practicing also true both the american and the european is practicing the
01:11:25.560same also true and it doesn't matter where you are i think you you run the risk of sort of
01:11:31.880exotifying europe which is um it doesn't help anyone and and i think for for us europeans that
01:11:41.160we run the risk of sort of developing um sort of an elitist mindset that we are actually the actual
01:11:48.600also truer because we we are in these ancestral homelands and and worshiping and so the the for
01:11:56.280instance americans will never be as close to the gods as we ever will be and i and i i don't think
01:12:03.160that that is true and it for us in europe it invites us to become complacent and comfortable
01:12:10.760because we get things things for free so um no i don't think that we're um we're closer to
01:12:18.440to the gods in in sweden or europe and in general there's a couple of things i'd like to throw in
01:12:25.720there that i think is important first you know i think that any of us who've been involved in this
01:12:31.880online in any way for any amount of time have seen the the arrogant uh the arrogant europeans
01:12:39.240you know telling us how wrong we are about stuff i'd like to point out that i mean how old are you eric0.67
01:12:49.480i'll be 31 in september yeah this month all right so i may be one generation closer
01:12:57.720to our most ancient alsatru ancestors than eric but regardless of that i mean that's the thing
01:13:04.600we are from the same stock also true being an ethnic faith white folks in america or white
01:13:11.320folks in europe are just as far chronologically from ancient practitioners of alsatru if that's
01:13:21.080you know if that's even a valid thing to go by but directionality isn't in that silly um
01:13:30.120um are the vikings less authentically also true than folks on the step migrating migrating
01:13:40.320towards Scandinavia you know it's you can take that back to a really silly degree
01:13:49.860one thing that that I have noticed in the times I've been fortunate enough to to go to Europe
01:14:00.120It's a really special thing that folks in Europe are close to very ancient sacred sites.
01:14:09.120And they're very close to a part of history to where folk weren't estranged from our gods.
01:14:19.420And I am as, you know, giddy of a tourist over there as anybody else on getting to see these things.
01:14:27.680Because they're special and they're amazing.
01:14:30.120I think that in modern times, that has led to a certain laziness amongst European pagans in general, because they feel like they have some proprietary relationship because they're next to some decayed stones that, you know, their 1000th great grandfather worshipped in.
01:14:55.320what i think is a benefit and if they weren't lazy on it and they use that as something as
01:15:03.600a building block to build off of it's a tremendous advantage what i've noticed
01:15:09.000with american aussitrew or aussitrew has pioneered and practiced most often by americans
01:15:20.240is they didn't have that luxury like if you look back at steve mcdalen and his you know
01:15:28.100all of the steps that he took between 1968 and today on developing our faith
01:15:34.120without having that luxury it makes us hungrier it makes us try harder
01:15:43.040um whereas we didn't have sacred spaces around us we've built sacred spaces within us
01:15:50.960in our minds and in our hearts we're just now to a point where we're building sacred spaces in the
01:15:57.260world um but I think it's led to a lot more I don't know enthusiastic practice and development
01:16:07.460because our people started out, you know, wanting it more.
01:16:13.580But yeah, we have a couple more questions
01:16:15.540that are kind of along a similar theme here.
01:16:18.400But first, Eric, I know you, this is from Tracy.
01:16:23.280but it would be wonderful to finally meet you.
01:16:25.760Is there any plans of you coming to visit the United States?
01:16:31.780So I don't have any concrete plans as of now.
01:16:35.780i would need to sort of build up a budget so i'd be able to afford to be able to to do that and
01:16:43.540there were some some preliminary plans earlier uh this year but with the arrival of my of my
01:16:52.260second daughter uh there really wasn't logistically and time-wise uh space for for me to to do
01:17:00.900anything um to make a visit to the united states and sorry matt if i can go back because i think
01:17:08.340the question that we were talking about earlier there was a it was a two-parter can i go back to
01:17:13.780that because yeah hey you know it you are our special guest on here they get to hear me every
01:17:19.220week please feel free chime in on anything you want throw in extras and of course you can go back
01:17:24.980yeah so uh so your europe of the last battle his second uh question was are you seeing it uh seeing
01:17:33.460an awakening of our folk and our religion in your country thanks um so i would i would say yes i i
01:17:42.020mean i i think that i am uh proof of that um being a um a folk builder over here so i think that there
01:17:50.180is a a awakening uh but but parallel to this awakening there is also this um i guess pseudo
01:17:58.900awakening where you have these uh people who again watch these uh tv shows uh about cool vikings
01:18:07.860and uh and hollywood productions and uh decide that oh this is sort of a cool thing and it will
01:18:14.260make me special and i can dress up in a silly manner and i and it gives me justification to go
01:18:20.660shopping for for trinkets and odds and ends on uh on different uh viking websites or whatever
01:18:28.340so um yeah i think that they're that we're seeing a general awakening in in europe but really over
01:18:34.980the over the entire planet where you can find our folk um it's just that you have to sort of
01:18:43.300differentiate that between uh the sort of fake awakening that that comes with it
01:18:52.580all right and i skipped a question uh githya anna asks what's matt drinking
01:19:00.660so i am getting my seasonal pumpkin beers and i'm drinking dark of the moon by elysian
01:19:12.340They do a pretty good job. This one is a pumpkin stout. We will see what I pull out of the grab bag next. I'll let you know. This is the first two that I've had have both been this, and I like it. I recommend it.
01:19:29.200Also from the Wolf Throne, I see the Streamly question has yet to be asked, so I shall ask it this time around. Matt and Eric, how are you doing tonight?
01:19:42.340thanks for asking. I am doing fantastic. A number of things. So first, I'm having a good
01:19:52.960week all around. I am doing really well. I've got something that I'm pretty excited about
01:20:03.760that I want to surprise you guys with that's in its development that I'm not going to
01:20:09.420uh hopefully in a month or so i'll be able to to share with you guys a little bit but i've got
01:20:17.520stuff i'm excited about things going good my daughter's doing awesome afa is doing well and
01:20:24.140i'm sitting here you know talking to you guys which i really enjoy doing i look forward to
01:20:28.500every week and i am buoyed by my elysian pumps pumpkin stout so i'm doing all right eric how are
01:20:36.300doing yeah i mean just taking into consideration that i maybe i don't know slept two hours this
01:20:45.180last 24 hours i'm i'm doing very well i uh i'm really enjoying spending time here talking to
01:20:52.380you matt and uh talking to you guys watching the watching the stream very very good questions and
01:20:59.740i i like like the discussions that we we get up to okay so question if you
01:21:10.620if funds weren't an issue and you were traveling to the united states
01:21:16.140and you were aiming at one of our hoffs which hoff would you most like to visit
01:21:24.060wow that's that's uh that's a really tough one
01:21:30.620uh but i think i would i would want to pick uh to pick odenshoff actually i think i think that
01:21:37.820would be my my first stop and my second stop i think would be uh bouldershoff all right
01:21:48.860uh well you know we're just about two and a half hours away from odenshoff over here
01:21:54.300we're gonna move to sigerheim as soon as i can make that happen but if you get over this way
01:21:59.340before then you and your wife always have a place to stay um i said that your daughters have a place
01:22:05.980to stay too if they want we're not going to make them sleep outside it'll be good
01:22:10.060but yeah we'd certainly love to see you guys wherever you end up if you if you do are able
01:22:14.140to make it over um next question and this is a multiple part question so i'm going to try to
01:22:21.340ask them individually uh mr lugnit what are your five favorite books i assume they're not
01:22:29.580necessarily ostrich or related or don't have to be yeah so i i actually came prepared so i actually
01:22:35.660have physical books i can actually like sort of entertain the stream so uh so i've been looking
01:22:41.340through my library so uh people who who know me uh will know that i am i am obsessed with everything
01:22:49.420uh nature related so uh now that we have um autumn is in full force uh one of my my favorite things
01:22:58.060to do in autumn is to uh to forage and i love to forage mushrooms so i have this this swedish
01:23:03.580uh book on mushrooms so nya svampoken which translates to uh the new mushroom book so uh this
01:23:11.340is um specifically um targeting edible mushrooms so this is being read quite a lot and my daughter
01:23:19.740older daughter likes to uh to pick mushrooms as well and look through the book and see if
01:23:24.220she can find the mushroom she had picked i also like uh this it's a collection of essays by uh
01:23:31.340pentilinco which was he was um i guess you you'd say a eco philosopher perhaps uh biologist and
01:23:40.140just um trying to uh protect and educate people on uh on practices that harm the natural world
01:23:48.780so i i i recommend that it can be grim reading though so you you should have um you should have
01:23:54.300that in mind if you're easily easily disturbed uh i have here a book on on bumblebees so this
01:24:01.580is bumblebees in sweden i i am incredibly fascinated by bumblebees they are incredible
01:24:09.340creatures so i um during summer when they're active i like going out and trying to identify
01:24:15.740as many bumblebees as i as i can they're our friends and we need to take care of them
01:24:20.220um here i have a uh a book a fiction book so this i i i guess what is more towards a sort of young
01:24:28.800adults so this is the road or the original title is uh the running foxes i believe so it's by
01:24:37.640joyce stranger so she is well i don't think she's still alive but she was a uk author
01:24:43.020This is about, follows the life of a few fox pups in the countryside of the U.K.
01:24:52.780Pulls at the heartstrings, so just beware of that.
01:24:56.940And I don't have a physical, I couldn't find my physical copy of it,
01:25:01.460but I also really enjoy The Botany of Desire by Michael Pollan,
01:25:06.520where he talks about, he's an American, and he talks about the history of different plants that have been very important for humanity.
01:25:18.200And one of the things that he talks about is apple trees.
01:25:21.040And it's very fascinating reading about the apple tree and how it became sort of a cultural icon in America,
01:25:32.680specifically with the fresh warm apple pie on the windowsill in American homes is iconic,
01:25:41.480of course. It's also a book that I really enjoy. First, awesome. Show and Tell is great.
01:25:52.100Everybody who is invited on this program, please feel very welcome, if not pressured,
01:42:55.480but please make an effort in not consuming so much doom porn really uh because then it
01:43:03.320will make you think that the that things are worse than they actually are um so stop doing that all
01:43:11.240right you heard it here folks i'm gonna steal it i'm gonna use it doom porn uh i think that
01:43:17.480really does capture it accurately very seldom do we just see cataclysmic social change
01:43:37.480we like to talk a lot and it's kind of the the big picture example is the fall of the roman empire
01:43:44.440no one generation saw the empire fall it fell for yeah depends who you talk to but three or four
01:43:55.360hundred years depending where you were at it's a slow process of change and it's hard you know
01:44:03.700asking people to predict the future is a difficult task um one thing my dad noticed about America
01:44:14.380is you know he lamented that this is the first you know my generation and i assume my daughters
01:44:22.180didn't be the second it's the first generation that their kids weren't going to be better off
01:44:29.760than them like things weren't looking up and i think that's interesting because he's you know
01:44:36.840tends to be a more middle of the road conservative he's not you know really our guy on stuff
01:44:43.540for him to see that is you know he's always been super patriotic uh he was a soldier he was in the
01:44:53.280army he built a career in the in the army um always been really devoted to america and
01:44:59.060to see that change in his life was was interesting um
01:45:03.420yeah it's not going the right direction is it a fall i don't know is it a deep valley that maybe
01:45:12.480we'll pull out of on the other side? Or is something going to break down and we're going
01:45:16.620to just build something different? I don't know. What I do know is the AFA is doing our very best
01:45:22.400to build a outpost of the golden age within the Kali Yuga. We're building the best we can amongst
01:45:33.420ourselves at our Hoffs, at Sigerheim. We're continuing to grow and build a community and
01:45:39.880share with each other to where we're positioned to celebrate if everything goes great or to
01:45:46.400take strength from one another and take care of each other if things go poorly.
01:45:54.460It's hard to tell if the reality of the situation is exaggerated. I think that's always something
01:45:59.620historians can do in hindsight, which you very seldom know at the time. We base tragedy on our
01:46:07.300own life experience. You know, what's a big deal to you may not be a big deal to me. What's a big
01:46:14.020deal to me may not be a big deal to someone else who's lived a more stressful life or a life where
01:46:21.380their immediate needs aren't met. There's a lot to be said to it. But what I have seen is the people
01:46:28.480that embrace the doom porn and do the whole prepper thing. Not that it's not wise to be
01:46:36.640prepared for certain things. But when you make your existence about preparing for the apocalypse
01:46:42.380and then it doesn't happen, it's a lot of wasted years and it's a lot of wasted energy, a lot of
01:46:48.960wasted relationship and time with your family and time you could have been doing stuff with your
01:46:54.200head focused up. It's funny how it's weird how these things come together on these shows and
01:47:03.760themes coalesce but uh speaking of balder and baldershoff one of the things that i think is
01:47:11.680most special about the vey and the uh the mural is it's it's in kind of a triangular space
01:47:23.200and lord balder's head is at the pinnacle of this triangle and he's looking up and it's
01:47:30.000It's everything there directs your attention upwards, looking to the future, looking to something better, looking to build and not looking down at, you know, all the things that are wrong, looking up towards things that we can become.
01:47:45.460And I think that, you know, getting your head up and looking for the positives is a much more healthy thing to do.
01:47:50.700And we've seen generations of people now, you know, we've seen a couple of generations doing the whole prepper thing where these old guys, you know, spend their whole life prepping for something and then they pass and nothing's happened.0.93
01:48:04.840And they've squandered a lot of things and a lot of time in order to do that.
01:48:10.220So I think focusing on what we can build and building it within the AFA is a very unique opportunity that we have in this day and age.
01:48:17.160It's pretty special. Speaking of show and tell, I've got the bottle of laponia that you all gave me.
01:48:25.600And I only, you know, pull it out at special occasions because it is unique and not a product we get over here.
01:51:19.420because the river is filled with fish and salmon and trading opportunity.
01:51:24.580And the people who were of lower class, these poor farmers,
01:51:29.360couldn't afford to live next to the river,
01:51:31.960but were able to purchase land and live off in the forest.
01:51:37.680And through backbreaking physical labor, taming the land and getting rid of, because we have a lot of, our soil has a lot of different sized particles, I guess you could say.
01:51:55.600so there's a lot of rock there's a a lot of uh really really large rocks and uh these p
01:52:04.000these people uh some of our ancestors would uh would tame the land and plow like these small
01:52:11.520potato patches and remove these huge rocks both men and women and just eking out an existence out
01:52:19.280in nowhere really and i'm i mean they didn't have a choice but just that
01:52:24.900that power that they that they possessed and that just taking on the struggles of life and making
01:52:33.780the the best of it uh it's just fascinating when you can just stop for a moment and just
01:52:41.020reflect on it a bit and just and just look at these at these ruins and and remember that
01:52:47.620people used to live out here. It used to be that they didn't have air conditioning or could just
01:52:53.620go to the mall and pick up their groceries. They would have to work very hard to be able to just
01:53:00.580stay alive. I think that's important. I think we very often
01:53:08.380think of ruins or special places as having to do with the very ancient past, and that's not always
01:53:20.020the case. But I think we fantasize about things we don't have. In the United States,
01:53:27.700if things are old, I mean, if they're very old, they're, you know, maybe a Spanish fort from
01:53:35.1001500s they're you know that's about as old as you can get in the americas um certainly for any any of
01:53:44.060our ancestral things so it's it's it's hard and it's always you know you think about europe you
01:53:50.060think about the very ancient past because stuff we don't have um angelina do children count as
01:53:57.420show and tell items or maybe pets yes they both count they absolutely count and we would love to
01:54:03.020see them um especially pets uh children too maybe you need to mute the mic i don't know we'll see
01:54:10.060they can uh it depends on what kind of mood they are in but yes those are always welcome on the
01:54:16.700program um obsidian skull asks what is the status of alsatru in sweden why does it have why doesn't
01:54:30.060it have government support and has the issue been raised before the authorities
01:54:37.820so it's been a while since i looked this up but uh so status of heathenry i mean
01:54:46.060um like matt has talked about a lot on this show like we don't identify as heathens we're also true
01:54:51.900are but um if we're just um sort of counting ourselves to that group i suppose uh just for
01:55:01.260the question's sake uh i mean there are several quote-unquote heathen groups in in sweden and
01:55:09.100they're not banned from practicing or anything like that and i think a few of them might enjoy
01:55:16.300uh some uh financial support from the government which i don't think that they're
01:55:21.340that they get a lot um for the afa specifically i i think unfortunately i think last time i checked
01:55:29.740at least that uh we wouldn't be able to um be recognized as an as an official sort of religious
01:55:40.140organization or church in sweden as we are we exclude on certain criteria that you're not
01:55:49.660allowed to exclude on uh in sweden unfortunately um and um i don't think that this issue has been
01:55:58.380raised before uh authorities really because um we're very very much a minority as it is right
01:56:07.020now at least as as folk folkish also true are um and we haven't really been for for for a few
01:56:17.260exceptions or or for a few times uh we haven't really been organized in to such a degree that
01:56:25.420we've had needed to go to the government to ask for anything um but um i would say that the
01:56:32.940heathenry doesn't really have a particular status in sweden but i wouldn't say that it's uh being
01:56:40.540being suppressed in in any way really but our our uh our focus also true is uh is uh i believe
01:56:49.740hampered by by the way uh swedish uh politics look looks like today all right um matt how often do
01:57:00.140you go to the gym and what does your workout routine consist of it depends i like to keep
01:57:06.720fresh on as far as workout routine goes so i change that up every every eight weeks is misleading
01:57:16.660every eight cycles so it depends some some of my routines are a four day split some of them are five
01:57:24.680but every eight, uh, eight rounds of that, I changed to a different routine. I've got about
01:57:31.96010, 10 or 12 that I cycle through. Um, I go to the gym every single day life. You know,
01:57:42.460I learned this, I forget what source or where I heard it from or whatever, but it's been sound
01:57:47.240wisdom for me. Rest days, life gives you rest days, rest days happen, whether you want them
01:57:53.200do or not. You get sick, you're traveling, stuff comes up, whatever. So I don't schedule in rest
01:58:01.020days. I go every single day and every now and again, a rest day happens. But yeah, assuming
01:58:07.780I'm here in town, I go every day. So I'm trying to think of, okay, as I've gotten older and my
01:58:19.860joints are less good i do a lot more machine work and less free weight work i don't necessarily
01:58:27.700advise that to everybody but as you get older and your joints break down on you it allows me
01:58:33.060to do stuff that i wouldn't be able to do otherwise due to my my old man joints um
01:58:41.140it all depends i have some routines that are a little bit higher volume and some that are
01:58:45.220lower volume as far as reps go uh today i did
01:58:53.940biceps chest and calves and no particular reason sometimes i mix them up and do you know a push
01:59:05.060pull like that other times i'll do stuff that synchronizes and it'd be chest triceps and
01:59:11.060shoulders or whatever it all just depends on on that routine that i have um today i did
01:59:19.860i think i did four sets of 12 on the calf the donkey calf raise machine with the pads on your
01:59:27.620shoulders i did and force yeah another four sets of 12 on dumbbell calf raises i did
01:59:41.060tricep extensions on the rope put like the pull down machine I did
01:59:49.560or I guess the cable crossover machine I did uh preacher curl standing curls with the cam
01:59:58.440baird bar the preacher bar I did rope pulls also in that cable crossover machine I did cable
02:00:07.120crossovers. I did, again, most of these are four sets of eight outside of the calves. The calves
02:00:15.220were 12. Everything else was sets of eight. I did cable crossovers. I did hammer strength
02:00:20.400flat presses and hammer strength incline presses. And I did the bar dip machine because I can put
02:00:33.420more weight on that. I also had a different day of the week when I'm working, I think, shoulders
02:00:38.800or anyways, a different day of this routine. I do weighted dips on a regular, you know,
02:00:46.060dip bar, but I use the dip machine for that today. That's what I got going on right now.
02:00:51.840um next question eric whilst out foraging if you come across any arrowheads pottery grinding stones
02:01:04.840or any other ancient artifacts no no i i've not personally ever come across that but i i've heard
02:01:14.060of people who have uh who have found sort of ancient artifacts um i think that this is a while
02:01:21.500back but uh a um the the head of a of an axe from from what is likely the stone age was found
02:01:31.420uh quite some time ago but not very far from me maybe i don't know 30 minutes away from me up on
02:01:37.820uh sort of a ridge an old ridge uh and i believe i can't remember exactly but i think it was either
02:01:46.700it was on my parents property or close to my parents property that uh an old parts of a of
02:01:53.580an old crossbow was found in the potato patch when they were plowing yeah an unexpected find but uh
02:02:01.660but no i've i've never found any ancient artifacts personally
02:02:08.060all right now we've got a uh monetized questions coming in from excuse me from uh from odyssey
02:02:18.620for 16 credit donation i don't really know how to translate odyssey credits but we appreciate it
02:02:25.100very much from barry i have been recently trying to convert after a near-death experience put a
02:02:32.460lot of things into perspective and i've been trying to learn everything i can about the isere
02:02:38.220and our folk here in ohio i seem to be at a loss for the next step past reading and listening
02:02:45.900is there anything you guys could suggest um first what would you suggest eric
02:02:51.180well i i think uh i think barry is sort of answering his own question perhaps without
02:02:59.180knowing it but you're saying uh at a loss for next steps past reading and listening i mean
02:03:04.060i think your next step is getting out and meeting folk uh and i mean if you're in
02:03:12.780if you're in the ohio area i mean you have a lot of a lot of people in ohio that you could
02:03:17.740uh um network with so i really you should uh you should be be reaching out and making steps towards
02:03:27.020meeting up with people and um and building relationships
02:03:34.140absolutely so you're fortunate you live in ohio ohio is
02:03:42.780i'm trying to think i put out our monthly numbers i think ohio is the
02:03:46.700it's tied for third as far as the most afa members in the state got a lot of activity in ohio
02:03:55.180ohio or you know very far western pennsylvania is what will eventually be the site of phrase hoff
02:04:04.060and that's our next hoff it's the hoff we're currently working towards
02:04:07.980you are positioned really well we've got a lot of members there um that's the next step there's
02:04:14.860only so much you can do as far as uh oh and if you look at the screen and just in case you're
02:04:20.780listening to this joe drotos and mike melillo j d r o t o s at runestone.org or m m e l i l l o
02:04:34.300at runestone.org those are two of our folk builders in ohio they would be happy to talk to you and
02:04:41.500help you get set up if you'd like to attend something that's absolutely the next step you
02:04:46.460should do um like i said there's a lot of activity there a lot of members there
02:04:56.540you have to come to a point where it's not about studying it's about doing and participating
02:05:02.140and hopefully your study enhances that but if you never do that then you you don't you're
02:05:08.460not practicing aussitry you're learning about austria and it's uh sounds like it's time for
02:05:14.060you to take the leap and at least visit and see and observe and interact as much as you
02:05:20.300feel comfortable doing that's absolutely what you should do and again you can just show up and
02:05:25.260observe and see what it's about and ask questions and you know take it slow but the for the next
02:05:32.220thing that you have is is going out and actually meeting somebody um and just to some things i'm
02:05:38.780seeing in the comments uh gothe plurred your lack of laponia my my swig of it was absolutely a flex
02:05:47.100aimed in your direction um i stand by that and i chuckle at your laponia drought um
02:05:56.780Um, Mr. Lognette, when can we expect an AFA Hoff in Sweden?
02:06:03.800What God would you want to honor with it?
02:06:06.720And what needs to happen to make it a reality?
02:06:44.620You need to have enough members to justify sort of having a HALF that, okay, we have
02:06:51.260people here who are dedicated to the afa and they're dedicated to one another and they meet
02:06:56.780up and they have they're building frith with one another and so um we need to have a half here as
02:07:02.940well um then you also need to have the leadership that are able to maintain and take care of the
02:07:10.140half and honoring the half through through taking care and maintaining it honoring that half because
02:07:15.500you must not forget that it's not just a structure it is a temple to a god or goddess and it needs to
02:07:24.460be you need to show reverence towards that and showing reverence is taking care of it and
02:07:30.860maintaining it and uh being able to uh to have ceremony and ritual and blood at it regularly
02:07:40.300through for years and years and years to come so just a sober look on it we're quite far away from
02:07:46.620that when it comes to sweden still i i am 100 convinced that it will be um happening someday
02:07:54.860i just don't know when that day will be coming it might be coming much sooner than i think or
02:08:00.540much later than i think but it's not up to me so i i don't really need to worry about it
02:08:06.620well you know we would love to see that so for perspective yes we can still a long way but it is
02:08:17.660the most active country in the afa outside of the united states it's got by far the most members
02:08:26.680outside of the united states um we had really good momentum there we were even talking about
02:08:33.400you know, getting a Hoff there earlier on before the whole world shut down due to COVID-19,
02:08:40.240and that really slowed a lot of things down. But at that time, we had a very thriving
02:08:48.040AFA membership in southern Sweden. So we're working on rebuilding that and regrowing our
02:08:55.740folk over there. Every point Eric made is absolutely spot on. We need the people to
02:09:00.320fill seats and make it a worthwhile thing to do we also need the leadership structure if people are
02:09:08.080going to be devoted to it take care of it do all the hard work that having hoff entails and so
02:09:16.800you know we're still a ways off but it's certainly a dream of mine it's something i want to see
02:09:21.520happen so it will happen like eric said exactly when that's the question but it will absolutely
02:09:28.560happen our next sorry part of the question was also what what god do you uh you want to honor
02:09:36.480it with and um i don't i don't know which which god i would i would uh want to see the first half
02:09:44.240in sweden to be dedicated to i think it's it's still a bit far off enough that it hasn't really
02:09:52.960crystallize for me yet and it might and it might be that it won't crystallize until until
02:09:58.640until uh whoever decides uh who it's going to be dedicated to uh it will be revealed by then
02:10:08.320all right uh next question similar theme matt would you like to see a hof in your home state
02:10:14.400of alaska uhlershof perhaps or is alaska too far from the rest of america for there to be a hof
02:10:22.320there um its geography to the rest of america does not make it not a thing it does make it
02:10:30.160challenging because it means it needs to stand on its own and it's not going to get other states
02:10:36.000surrounding it to supply it with congregants i would love to see um
02:10:45.200um um in Alaska that's something I've wanted that's something that has been a dream of mine
02:10:53.900I would love to do it but we need a membership there like same thing with Sweden it's a little
02:10:59.720bit easier because it's it's technically within the United States even though it's very far away
02:11:07.100but we need members we need a healthy stable membership up there and we need leaders that1.00
02:11:13.100to take care of it and maintain it and make it a that's the thing with any of these hoffs1.00
02:11:24.060for the longest time just getting one was such a daunting and impossible task0.99
02:11:31.020we're past that now we know how to get them we can do that the challenge now isn't getting them
02:11:36.880It's getting them and maintaining them.
02:11:39.780Once we get a Hoff, we make a commitment to a god or a goddess that we are going to maintain that place of worship for eternity.
02:11:49.460And that takes stability and it takes a certain amount of redundancy.
02:11:54.100It can't be all on one person's back and then something happened and then we've got no one.0.62
02:11:58.560So the, you know, worse than not having a Hoff would be to have a Hoff to one of our gods and then have to sell it or have to see it go derelict and get boarded up and profaned.0.67
02:12:13.560So when we get a Hoff, we're making a commitment and we need the redundancy and the people in the support system to make that a responsible thing for us to do.0.64
02:12:25.860there's a big resurgence up in Alaska. It would make me so happy to go home to my home state and
02:12:34.300dedicate a Hoff to Uller. I would love to do that. If you know anybody, you got connections,
02:12:42.100tell them to sign up. We would love to get them on board. That's a good time to say that to
02:12:45.920anybody. If you are listening to this now or in the future, are you an AFA member yet? If not,
02:12:53.800why not? If you like what we're doing, if you are a heterosexual white person, you should join the
02:13:01.260AUSA True Folk Assembly. We would love to have you participate in our amazing faith of AUSA True
02:13:06.960and be part of our AFA family. We're doing great things. We are so much more effective if we're
02:13:15.880doing those things together under one roof, under one banner, united in our purpose. And we would
02:13:23.300love to have you be a part of it. We're doing great things. There's so much going on in the
02:13:28.720world that isn't the way we'd like, and we don't know what to do about it. At this stage in the
02:13:36.500development of Ausitrue, we are big enough that we are doing really cool things, but we're still
02:13:42.920growing and we're small enough that every individual can have a huge impact on what we're
02:13:49.960trying to do together so help us out get on the team we've got amazing things that we want to do
02:13:56.680and we would love to have your help doing that our next question eric i'm interested in learning
02:14:04.600svenska do you have any tips for me and do you have any thoughts on the differences
02:14:11.080and similarities between swedish and english oh that's rough that's that should really be
02:14:17.400a question for my wife who has who's been forced to learn swedish uh and i i mean i'm i'm
02:14:24.680i'm very very ignorant as it comes to like rules of grammar and things like that like i i i know
02:14:30.920how to i don't know how to speak and i i speak correctly most of the time uh but i i wouldn't be
02:14:37.160able to explain to you why as many times as laura has been learning swedish i will correct her and
02:14:44.680she'll say well what why what's the grammatical rule for that as a i don't know it's just wrong
02:14:50.760what you said is just wrong and i don't know why it's wrong but i know it's wrong
02:14:54.600um so i i'm really the wrong person to ask that but really i mean with any language really uh
02:15:01.160speaking to a to a native speaker is is the best way to learn and especially if you're in a situation
02:15:08.040where you really you're really desperate to understand and have the other person understand
02:15:14.200you that's going to to make you learn the that would be the fastest way for you to learn really
02:15:20.760which might not be feasible for for you i don't know what your your situation is but uh but i
02:15:26.840guess that's my tip and thoughts on on the differences and similarities um i mean obviously
02:15:33.880very very uh similar languages but i think that swedish is is is um is more of a poetic language
02:15:44.280than english is i feel that english is perhaps a more um pragmatic more mechanical language whilst
02:15:51.720swedish is more of a a singing language almost it's almost sounds like song when you're speaking
02:15:57.640i think uh so i i'd say that that uh that's what sort of makes them different
02:16:10.520yeah i'm one of the things i'm always amazed by the times i've been to
02:16:17.880norway sweden and denmark all the scandinavians speak perfect english and
02:16:25.400And I think Eric's advice is the best way to do it, if you can, is to fully immerse yourself and, you know, drop yourself into where you have to communicate and work it out.
02:16:37.600I think that's going to get you there quicker and more efficiently than anything else.
02:16:45.680So, again, thematically connects to our next question, this one from Gauthier Bodie Mayo.
02:16:52.320Eric, how long have you been fluent in English?
02:16:55.400And what other languages, besides Swedish and English, do you speak?
02:17:02.700Fluent in English, so maybe from 10 years old, perhaps.
02:17:13.120It was video games that taught me how to speak English really well.
02:17:16.840And as to what you said, Matt, about Scandinavians being very, very good at speaking English,
02:17:24.760I think that it's sort of in the culture that a lot of European countries, when it comes to media from the U.S. or I guess also the U.K., when you have TV shows and things of that nature where they speak English, many European countries have a tradition of dubbing and having someone voice over in the native language instead.
02:17:49.120but i think in the the sort of trend in scandinavia has always been that you keep the english
02:17:56.640audio but you add subtitles to everything so i think that scandinavians are just just grow up
02:18:04.560hearing english all the time and i think it's even like the the generations growing up now
02:18:09.680that's even more the case because the world is is connected to such such a degree now through
02:18:16.400video games and social media that that uh that english is just second nature to to most children
02:18:24.800i think um so um so so that that's why so that's why it's difficult to learn learn swedish in
02:18:31.840sweden because uh if a swede will just start speaking english with you you might need to
02:18:37.760find some really really old people like maybe a village further up north than even where i live
02:18:43.360where you only have old people living and they only speak Swedish or they might only speak
02:18:47.360Finnish so then if you want to learn Finnish then you should perhaps seek that out so that sort of
02:18:53.600ties into the second part of the question what other languages I speak so I only speak Swedish
02:18:59.840and English but I understand a little bit of Finnish and I have ambitions to learn to to speak
02:19:08.080finnish and would like to also speak a some people would say that it's a dialect of finnish but it
02:19:14.640but i would other people and me included would say that it is not so it's uh it's called me
02:19:21.120and kelly so it's a a i guess type of finish that has been spoken up here where i live on the border
02:19:28.080where sort of um sort of an old country finish you could say finish in in its current iteration is
02:19:35.200sort of a has been sort of an academic project where they've sort of gathered finnish from
02:19:42.000over finland and put it together into sort of a cohesive language but you have places and this
02:19:48.560is one of those places uh where some people still speak an old type of finnish and i would like to
02:19:56.160to learn that and try to pass it on to to my children as as part of their heritage
02:20:01.200all right eric do you like swedish death metal and black metal
02:20:09.840uh unfortunately both of those genres uh is not really my thing i can't really get past
02:20:20.400the vocals i mean some of it works for me but it's just i like clean vocals i i it just it just
02:20:29.480doesn't do it for me the the vocals yeah black now unfortunately just say no to the cookie monster
02:20:37.540vocals um all right matt any update on phrasehoff um yeah so updates on phrasehoff
02:20:51.220i've laid out that there's a couple of steps so first step is we need to pay off new york's off
02:21:02.760it's always our our thing when we're going to get our next half and it's not as exciting once we
02:21:08.180have an actual building there to pay it off but that's what needs to happen first that's the
02:21:12.500responsible thing to do is we need to pay our debt for new york's off that said
02:21:18.180just going to pull up figures for you here um we are making really big progress on that if you
02:21:28.320will consider that we got yours off in august of last year so we're a year and one month from
02:21:37.820the purchase we have uh i gotta look in at these little tiny numbers all right so we need to pay
02:21:46.320off 105 372.28 remaining on yours off that said we are way way over half that's huge progress in a
02:21:59.200very short amount of time uh nick threw up graphic i appreciate thank you nick
02:22:04.960if you are interested in helping us if nick can throw the donation link up
02:22:10.880up but we have uh donate at roomstone.org you go to go to our website the donation thing is easy
02:22:20.240to find need everybody's help if every single afa member would donate 119 we would have that
02:22:27.920all paid off and ready to go today so that's where we're at on that the next step is to make sure we
02:22:37.280have so we haven't budgeted to where of the afa's total income one quarter goes to the
02:22:51.680recurring costs of a half so if that makes sense to you guys like gas electric water
02:23:01.040um garbage insurance any kind of security system all of those things
02:23:11.220because we like i said earlier we're making a commitment to keep this hof running so the afa
02:23:18.360overall income all of our hofs combined need to we need to be able to pay for that with one
02:23:25.880quarter of our overall income. That said, we have a certain income number. We were looking at
02:23:32.040hitting per month on an average to make that feasible to get our next half. We are very close
02:23:39.700to that. It means we need to raise our monthly income by, I got that number for you here too.
02:23:44.640Hold on one second. By 3.1%. So it's not a lot. If everybody gave a little bit more,
02:23:53.460we would be doing all right. We will get there. I'm not worried about it. That'll be great.
02:23:58.720The other thing is once we have that, we need to find a suitable property and start building up
02:24:03.800a war chest. By that, I mean, we need to build up a surplus of funds to where we can put a down
02:24:08.660payment on something. I am silly and I get excited about these things. So like just this weekend,
02:24:17.320even though we're we're a ways out yet just this weekend i went and i started looking for
02:24:25.000what uh what properties were available to us in the western pennsylvania eastern ohio
02:24:34.120area saw some really really tempting places that will probably not be on the market when
02:24:40.120we're actually looking but just to get a feel for the market how much things are what kind
02:24:44.920of availability there is and there's there's a lot of really great options for us once we're
02:24:50.520once we're ready to get there so that's the progress we're making so far and uh
02:24:57.240it's a it's an uncomfortable truth but the faster and more you guys donate the quicker we're going
02:25:02.280to get there and the more that's going to happen but if we're all working together you know many
02:25:07.640hands make light work many many wallets make uh you know more reasonable donations to get us where
02:25:15.080we're trying to go but thank you for asking on that eric afs or nrm or both
02:25:26.280i i think the both is is uh referring to both of us about our favorite sports oh okay but yeah so
02:25:33.560so afs or nmr so i i i'm pretty sure what you're referring to their green leader is uh so afs is
02:25:42.200alternative for sveria so that is a political party alternative for sweden which is uh has
02:25:48.440been inspired by alternative for deutschland um which is i suppose the
02:25:55.320if you're looking at Swedish standards quite a far right political party and NRM being the
02:26:05.740Nordic resistance movement so I am not very invested in politics in in general so I think
02:26:15.900that that alternative for for sveria and nrm that they're two different organizations and they sort
02:26:26.300of have different goals and they operate in different ways so if we're just looking at
02:26:32.100changing the political sort of landscape uh i think that alternative for sveria is is the better
02:26:40.020bet they haven't had they've had some successes these last two elections really but not as much
02:26:48.780perhaps as they would have hoped but i think that they're that they're doing some good and i'm
02:26:55.520absolutely not opposed to them and i'm also not opposed to the nordic resistance movement but
02:27:02.380um so i'm not very invested like i said i'm not very invested in politics and i'm
02:27:08.540i really want to uh uh make clear that for for me and for my family what we're invested in
02:27:17.480is the afa that's my like our number one thing for our family and i think a lot of
02:27:24.560a lot of these other organizations political organizations i think we have a lot of that
02:27:31.480stuff, but we don't have the religious part. And you need to, it is my personal conviction that
02:27:41.020you need to start with the religious part and then build from that. That needs to be your foundation.
02:27:48.020If you're starting with sort of the political, then you're sort of building a castle up on sand
02:27:55.060or a castle up in the air it doesn't have anything to stand on so um i really don't really engage
02:28:03.540like i said i don't engage in politics and things of that nature and i i honestly don't have much
02:28:10.260time when i'm when i'm being part of the afa and being in leadership it takes a lot of time for me
02:28:17.780so i'm just i'm just putting out in a lot of all the effort i can into the afa and making that
02:28:25.620successful um so but i'm i'm not i'm not against authentic and i'm not against nordic resistance
02:28:33.860movement i think both of them are doing are doing good things but they're sort of playing perhaps
02:28:40.340two different games or they're in two different spheres and i'll just go ahead and and add my
02:28:46.820answer to the final question, favorite sports team. So I'm actually, I'm very, very against
02:28:52.840sports in general. I don't enjoy watching sports. I enjoy participating in physical activities
02:29:01.340myself. So I don't have a favorite sports team. Yeah, sorry to disappoint. I really don't either.
02:29:09.300um I don't mind watching sports uh I just I don't have I don't have any any skin in the game it's
02:29:19.480not really something I I follow or pay a lot of attention to um I think the last you know
02:29:29.220professional sport that I paid a lot of attention to it's always fun to watch it's just hard to
02:29:37.200find it doesn't come on regular. And I used to enjoy watching it quite a bit was rugby. I like
02:29:41.920rugby a lot. And, you know, I'd be game to sit and watch some rugby, but, you know, don't really
02:29:47.700have a team. USA rugby team is not really competitive with the good rugby teams out there.
02:29:54.780So, yeah, I'm not that guy. I don't really have a favorite sports team or follow that regularly at
02:30:00.080all. And shoot, when I talk about watching rugby and really enjoying it, I'm talking,
02:30:04.240you know, eight or nine years ago. Our next question, would it be good to
02:30:11.720consecrate a tree to be a public point of worship until you guys have a hof there in Sweden?
02:30:20.380I mean, I don't, I don't think that it is necessary. I think it, I feel like that that0.98
02:30:29.160would add sort of unnecessary um complexity to it all i mean there are places where we will perform
02:30:40.280ritual and and blood and i we have several places where we will do that but we will also do it
02:30:47.320indoors at our at our altar and um i don't i don't think that you need to go and and find like
02:30:56.680the a proper tree and then consecrate that tree and then you go and just um have ritual at that
02:31:05.560particular i just feel that it sort of just adds a layer of of work and complexity that doesn't
02:31:13.220need to be there i'm very much of the opinion that you you don't need a specific place like
02:31:20.940all you need is found within and you can consecrate consecrate any place really for for your for your
02:31:29.660needs as it comes to ritual so i don't i don't think that that is uh is necessary i think it
02:31:35.340makes it just makes it adds another thing that you need to do before you can start practicing
02:35:03.600We certainly don't want to invest your life savings into a home and invest ourselves into a relationship that way until we know that folks are truly committed to wanting to be a part of it.
02:35:21.700So that said, yes, technically anybody could move there in the AFA, but we would want to have confidence in some long-term loyalty and wanting to be a part of this.
02:35:31.200And it's something for you to think about, too, is your home equity.
02:35:35.280You know, you're not going to have the opportunity to just up and pull out and sell it to anybody.
02:35:40.080Selling it to another AFA member, sure, but it's not going to have the same value as if you wanted to put it on the open market to rando people.
02:35:48.760So it's a really important commitment.0.97
02:35:51.720But, yeah, if that's something that you're interested in, reach out to your folk builder, reach out to me, and we can start working towards making that a reality.
02:35:59.120There is space on there for people, and it is something we want to do. As of right now, the people that I'm counting on moving there are members of AFA leadership that have been involved for many years that, you know, I trust aren't going anywhere. But that's only part of it. So the dream of Sigurheim isn't that 68 acres. That 68 acres is the core of Sigurheim, yes.
02:36:23.720we want to buy more surrounding territory as it comes up we also if you can get to jackson county
02:36:31.280tennessee everything is within about a half an hour of anything else in that county you can be
02:36:37.520part of siggerheim you can be on siggerheim every single day of your life if you want to
02:36:41.720and you can still have a home scaled to whatever you would like to do if you want acreage if you
02:36:47.880want a small home if you want to live in an apartment whatever you would like to do you
02:36:51.500can do that in Jackson County and still have the community of Sigerheim to where you can literally
02:36:56.000be there every single day if you want. You can attend every event there. You can sleep over
02:37:00.540there. You can do whatever you want, be part of it. And it's still part of that big village that
02:37:05.760we're trying to create. And if the more we can do in that county, the more we can be a significant
02:37:10.700group of people in the county, the more we can have a voice, the more we can be centralized,
02:37:15.660the more we can have that village that we're all trying to build. So don't be discouraged. Nothing
02:37:21.360was saying was intended to be discouraging but it also is um yeah the dream is just getting close
02:37:30.400you get close it counts and if you're serious about wanting to be on the property proper do let
02:37:35.680us know and that's not out of possibility it's just we want to make sure there's some commitment there
02:37:41.040um entirely homesteaded i don't know what that means so we are starting from a completely virgin
02:37:48.160piece of land there it has water electric and fiber optic internet at the road which is strange
02:37:56.880because it's kind of out in the sticks so i'm really surprised all of those utilities are at
02:38:01.600the road i think that's very fortuitous for us but yeah it's being you know broke ground on on fresh
02:38:08.000so we are building fresh there if that's what you're asking and yes tiershoff will be there
02:38:14.160we have a spot picked out up on the ridge line it's beautiful it's amazing we've done two rituals
02:38:20.560there so far we will continue to improve upon that space make it sacred as we prepare to erect tears
02:38:27.120hoff but that's something else to keep in mind we are not going outside of our regularly scheduled
02:38:33.440progression of hoffs our commitment is to do things a certain way and at certain you know
02:38:40.560know budgeting points and certain plans so we're doing things in an ordered and structured way
02:38:47.080our next step after we pay off njordshoff is to make phrasehoff happen and then to pay off
02:38:54.440phrasehoff once we have paid off njordshoff once we have purchased and paid off phrasehoff
02:39:00.500then we will see about building tiershoff but that will happen at siggerheim
02:39:04.780um our next question uh for eric do you know about the swedish runologist uh lars magnar
02:39:20.540enokson uh if you do what is your opinion about him and also tell me how i pronounce that
02:39:28.060incorrectly no i i think you pronounced it it pretty pretty reasonably so i i wouldn't i
02:39:35.980i wouldn't correct you really there um but uh uh so um i i actually don't know about this
02:39:44.700runologist i i hadn't heard about him so uh i don't have a particular opinion about him
02:39:51.020no you are our swede you're on here you are required to be an expert on every stone circle
02:39:56.220and holy site in sweden and on all of the sons and daughters of sweden that have produced works
02:40:02.300that have made it outside of your country you are one-stop ambassador to swedish culture
02:40:09.580from the beginning until now um okay eric do you like the swedish band europe
02:40:19.820i mean i i know of europe and i mean i've i i've listened to some of their songs but i i wouldn't
02:40:27.840say that i i uh i listen to them really it's not not really my my type of music so cleaner vocals
02:40:35.900in that metal stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah they do they do for sure but i'm more i'm more i i'm still
02:40:42.040i'm into metal but i'm into metal that has that has clean vocals it's it's not i i i think that
02:40:49.240they're good but it's not it's not music that i listen to very often um do you like ace of bass
02:41:01.160i've never heard whoa letting us down as the resident swede tell you what all right so
02:41:12.440our final question let me just check and make sure we don't have any sitting in the
02:41:17.560queue lingering over here on entropy and we do not so our final question
02:41:24.600thoughts on jackson crawford's translation of the poetic edda have you read or are you familiar with
02:41:34.200dr jackson crawford and his translation work i actually do do have his his translation
02:41:41.800I got it before I knew about sort of his views on how we do Asatru, but I haven't read through it.
02:41:55.040I've just skimmed through it here and there, really, so I don't really have an opinion as to how good the translation is, really, but yeah.
02:42:11.800Well, we have another question that popped up, and I'll say this, too, as far as Dr. Crawford's translations, I'm sure that linguistically they're really well done.
02:42:31.880something that i think is important to consider when translating
02:42:37.020i you know when doing anything communication language writing
02:42:44.120it's about communicating an idea or a set of ideas in a way that's and it's a two-way street
02:42:52.540it's a way that is meaningful for the speaker or the writer and for the hearer or the reader
02:43:00.720just because you get all the words accurately doesn't mean that you convey the thought the same
02:43:10.040and i say that to say this if you are a pious ausitruar
02:43:17.800the tone and the way that you understand our lore is going to be very different than if you are
02:43:29.580coming from a scholastic linguist point of view the meaning is going to be different
02:43:37.380and the purpose of your translation will reflect that that's one of the reasons that
02:43:44.740with dr crawford being snooty about us to say the least with being um negative towards the afa
02:43:55.360negative towards folkish practice of our faith and negative to also true generally
02:44:03.040i don't trust that his translation would be any better than some other people's
02:44:09.200i think other folks that at least revered it from a european romantic sense
02:44:18.080probably put a better flavor to it that communicates it better than dr crawford
02:44:23.760um all right so other other questions for you that have come up do you listen to hammerfall
02:44:34.480that is actually funny that that jason asked that because i i would say that my earliest memory of
02:44:42.880actually uh learning to appreciate i guess just music in general but also like sort of my gateway
02:44:52.040drug into into metal and things like that was actually hammerfall so hammerfall is a swedish
02:44:57.160band i think dude um categorizes as power metal um and i remember i might have been like seven
02:45:05.160years old or something like that and they i was watching tv and they had um they had one of their
02:45:10.920songs uh hearts on fire they had it on that like the music video they had it on on tv and it's it's
02:45:18.680like you should look it up on youtube it's pretty cheesy you know they're they're out in some desolate
02:45:23.240dark field the band and they're they're playing this epic song and then you have these these
02:45:28.840skeletons rising up from the ground and they're they're approaching and then you have their sort
02:45:33.240of mascot i suppose it's sort of this this warrior guy with a huge hammer and at the end of the song
02:45:41.160he slams the hammer into the ground and all the skeletons are obliterated it's just a very very
02:45:46.360cheesy uh musical video but i was i was just i was just mesmerized and just taken aback by by that
02:45:53.800when i was a kid and i i mean this was before i had access to the internet so i saw it that one
02:45:59.560time and then i didn't see it really for a long time again and it just uh it it brought me uh onto
02:46:06.440the the the metal train especially the the power metal train really uh so so that's fun i see he's
02:46:14.360asking um the second part uh roger point here so i i am guessing that he that jason means roger
02:46:22.600pump that i think i don't yes he corrected it over in the chat okay yeah oh yeah that's
02:46:28.680also funny because roger ponther he is he is an incredible singer and he has some
02:46:34.040really really good songs he is a bit a bit special so one of my favorites songs
02:46:45.020that I that I like listening to even to this day is this the English one is when
02:46:51.080spirits are calling my name and and the Swedish one is much better he here we
02:46:57.680have the eurovision song contest in in europe and he uh represented sweden um i can't remember
02:47:05.420exactly when that was but he represented sweden with with that song and uh it's supposed to be
02:47:11.300about um sort of native americans and psalmi people and inuits and things of that nature
02:47:20.360sort of singing about a warrior going and doing what is right because the spirits are calling his
02:47:28.040name and and roger has like dressed himself up in in very very very silly garb he has like feathers0.89
02:47:36.760all over him it's it's sort of this very odd just mishmash of different native cultures and he has
02:47:43.240like a psalmy woman who's there beating a drum and he has a psalmy man who is um um doing a yoik
02:47:51.320so he's doing like a i guess a type of throat singing perhaps you'd say and then he has a
02:47:56.440native american also like doing a rain dance or something like that on stage um but i've always
02:48:04.600had like a deep felt a deep connection with that song and i would argue that that it is actually
02:48:12.760not about these these uh other ethnic ethnicities that he it is actually sort of um it it does speak
02:48:21.080to white people i think i mean it that song was sort of um sort of appropriated by a lot of sort
02:48:28.840of nationalists in sweden because it it spoke to sort of the the nationalists in people and white
02:48:34.840people in particular so i think that in a sense uh he is sort of doing the spiel that oh i'm
02:48:42.040singing about these oppressed minorities all over the world but it's like so this is a song that's
02:48:47.080written by white people and the guy who is singing it and being the centerpiece is a white person
02:48:53.400and the band playing the music are white people and it is in a white white people language swedish
02:49:00.840so i would say that it's actually not about minorities or like these ethnicities other
02:49:07.240ethnicities but it is actually about white people it's just that he he doesn't understand that i
02:49:13.720think that that when when people create uh they're not really in charge most of the time of of the
02:49:22.440creation itself it sort of just erupts out of them and then you might add sort of veneers and sort of
02:49:30.920explanations after the fact and try to explain like no no this is actually what i mean but it's
02:49:38.020i think i find it many cases that there is something else going on that you're not
02:49:43.180conscious of but yeah that was that was a lot long little spiel but yes i i listened to both
02:49:47.860hammerfall and rogerpont all right so do you like abba again i don't have anything against
02:49:57.660abba but i don't really listen to it it's it's not my type of music i so these cultural ambassadors
02:50:05.100of your people but well i i in my defense i'm more or less down the middle genetically half
02:50:14.140finnish and half swedish so i i might not be the very best ambassador no but it it's not my type
02:50:23.500of music so my type of music i want sort of bombastic heroic i want music to tell the story
02:50:31.260of a hero fighting like a dragon or a beast or or embracing destiny that's the type of
02:50:38.700music that i like i i want music to tell an epic story and i i just i don't find that really in
02:50:46.140that's like abba necessarily what you want by dio and watching the video because it's epic and
02:50:52.780amazing yeah yeah i agree ronnie james dio is an amazing lyricist uh so finn wraith asks where can
02:51:02.780you get a better copy of the eddas i think this is referring to better than dr crawford's um
02:51:09.580so here here's the thing i'm not trying to be the arbiter on what edda you can digest and what you
02:51:15.100can't i would say that the more copies you get the better and comparing and contrasting between them
02:51:22.620is always very very interesting um i like hollander's prosetta because it was the first
02:51:29.820one i read i don't think that they're you know again i don't think that jackson crawford's etta
02:51:37.500is you know necessarily horrible or blasphemous the parts that i've read i just you know i would
02:51:43.260advise people read a little bit older sources than that just because i think he has a he has
02:51:50.620an agenda that they didn't necessarily share due to the climate at the time they did it
02:51:55.260but you know any number of copies all of all of the copies and see see what matches what doesn't
02:52:01.980and why it doesn't and i think you'll find passages in each that resonate with you a little bit better
02:52:09.020um eric do you like the swedish and finnish guy in eurovision this year
02:52:15.500so i don't watch eurovision i think it's an absolute uh joke of a show and i think it's just
02:52:24.540in general pretty pretty degenerate stuff that is being presented and i think that both the uh
02:52:30.140so i mean the the finnish i haven't i haven't listened to the to the finnish guy or whatever
02:52:35.260but just the way he dresses and the way he looks i'm very much not a fan and the the woman that
02:52:41.900represented sweden who is she is in fact herself not swedish i think it's just it's just wrong and
02:52:48.780if i not mistaken she sings in english and this is a pet peeve i've had a long time i mean i'm not
02:52:55.100i'm not invested because again i don't watch eurovision song contest but i mean if you're
02:53:00.140going to have a competition where you have european countries competing against each other