00:31:58.100So anyways, that said, Svan, there is the old Alcetru, I don't know, oft-said thing
00:32:08.620about being afraid of drawing the god's attention because the gods are somehow fickle you don't want
00:32:13.500odin to pay too close attention to you i know that's something that the old timers used to say
00:32:18.540a lot i think it's bunk i think you need to be somebody worthy of his attention and uh but
00:32:27.900questioner asks is that a thing um and what situations would a you know obviously not if
00:32:35.420you're doing horrible things but are there situations in normal life you wouldn't want
00:32:38.940the gods to pay attention to and how do you best avoid those situations yeah i think uh
00:32:46.460kind of what you were saying and i i'll i'll um uh extend that a little further i think that
00:32:54.940in Ausatru most of the time it's always been witness me bear witness to my deeds so
00:33:09.100the other point to look at from the esoteric is that when you commit to deeds that are
00:33:17.260deeply tied to the or law of others i think that has more gravity i'm not saying that the things
00:33:29.260we do alone are passable um but uh the things we do alone kind of stain the the thread and then
00:33:43.180And when we press forward, it can affect the way we interact with others.
00:33:52.460So it's really, really important that we consider the gods watching us.
00:34:00.980I think one of the things, you've spoken about it, and we've had conversations about it,
00:34:09.620where one of the things I really don't like about, say, Christianity is that they have taken a mortal and made him divine.
00:34:26.460but our divine gods who we often make mortal in our stories have direct connection to the skin
00:34:38.220to the weft and and the weave of fate itself at the well of earth and our folk very rarely
00:34:50.300ever consider that the gods are watching uh they're they're they are concerned with us so
00:35:01.900i think that we should we change that in our culture that our folk should understand that the
00:35:11.340gods are watching and i would go a step further not only are the gods watching us and they in
00:35:19.980turn can mark us for glory or for uh disgrace but our ancestors are also watching but our ancestors
00:35:31.900kind of watch through memory through the the well of memory that is in the middle world deeply
00:35:40.540influences the world below and so they uh after the fact but clearly uh kinslaying
00:35:51.420and other things of great importance um affect the way that our ancestors whether or not
00:35:58.700they will accept us and allow us to cross the bridge um to join them so on top of that
00:36:07.500um if the gods mark us for disgrace and we show up before the gates of helgar and that that would
00:36:18.460pretty much um kind of sentence us to to uh walking the low road walking to moustrand
00:36:28.780so we have three forms of moral judgment the gods of the highest importance
00:36:37.500of the law of the land and also to what awaits through the ancestors and i think that christians
00:36:45.820oftentimes ask uh oh so you guys have no moral judgment you could just do whatever you want
00:36:51.900no no in fact we have three so so um i don't want to go ahead and finish up the questions
00:37:01.820that we have before we start into the text because there's a couple of them i want to
00:37:06.780make sure we get while people are still listening because I think they're particularly important in
00:37:11.460that way. So let's move to the next one. Christians view the Bible as the inherent word of God.
00:37:17.540They believe it is exactly what God wanted them to know. I don't think we consider the poetic0.87
00:37:23.520or prosetta like that. How should we think of these resources? Is there anything about our
00:37:30.660gods that we do consider reliable and steadfast knowledge? Spawn, what would you say to that
00:37:35.440question oh i would say first off um that the stories are not the direct word of of the gods
00:37:46.760or any god but that the fact that they exist are actually the machinations of the gods um
00:37:55.020If you read and listen to the VNS that we did, it was miraculous that all of the stories were gathered and placed down, passed through Latin and then into Old Norse with the decided alphabet.
00:38:20.940it it was there was a lot standing against but the gods is in particular i believe lord odin and
00:38:29.660that's my personal belief i'm not pressing that um as a church point but my personal belief is
00:38:39.180that Lord Odin was instrumental in the machinations of ensuring that the seed of our
00:38:50.660relationship with the gods through the stories remained. Even despite all the burning and the
00:39:03.520hanging and the sacrifices to Yahweh, which is what they truly were, it remained through literature
00:39:12.820and through poetry and discipline to the poetic style. So I believe that in and of itself is where
00:39:22.540the divine shows up. After that, there is all of the scholars attempting to make sense of
00:39:32.560the writing and we I think as the church we consider we encourage everyone to look at all
00:39:43.260of the different translations and gain insight from that instead of simply here is one scholar
00:39:52.380um who we believe is somehow divinely ordained and then we have to twist his history
00:40:01.000um to do that i know that certain groups i think norena society is really um heavily influenced or
00:40:08.360they they try to kind of uh really blow up um ryberg and i don't think that's the case
00:40:18.040i think that these are very much human actions guided by divine hands so
00:40:30.120yeah I think that one of the failings is that we come in with an expectation those of us and I
00:40:47.700suppose it changes as more and more of the West is secular but those of us with familiarity with
00:40:55.920religion or raised religiously the abrahamic faiths are very much based in the text0.54
00:41:05.440the quran is literally like allah guiding muhammad's hand in a cave it's perfect um
00:41:14.160the books of the bible are all perfect they're divinely inspired everything is0.85
00:41:19.040is like the literal word of god in small orthodox christianity that's the understanding
00:41:29.120that's not the case with other with other forms of religion in the human experience
00:41:36.640but it is so dominant in the west and what we're familiar with that it becomes kind of an expectation
00:41:45.520our faith has never really been that way it is informed by tradition by stories by the wisdom
00:41:55.040of our elders by the wisdom of people who the gods have revealed divine truths to
00:42:01.840and by those that have upheld those and those that have learned from the gods through the gift cycle
00:42:07.480and through the gods taking the time and making the effort to make truth known to them.
00:42:18.220And so of our written lore, a little bit of discernment goes a long way.
00:42:27.000I know people want the perfect answer, but this, and I know many aren't comfortable with it,
00:42:33.220But realistically, this is an art more than it's a science.
00:42:38.980So you mentioned within the Eddas, there's a variety of poems that are preserved there.
00:42:45.720None of the poems preserved there were preserved by Gothar for the intention of instructing
00:42:52.840a loyal Alcetruar in the practice of our faith.
00:42:56.980but many of them are done with a sacred and i do mean sacred duty to maintain the traditions
00:43:10.740of their ancestors so you'll see some poems that are written as you know more comedy or more
00:43:17.860like poetic flexing using themes and stories and points of reference that we would all be aware of
00:43:28.340but you have others like uh the lust bow there's many more but the lust bow stands out have them
00:43:35.640out um rigs thula there are some that are very obviously and intentionally written as
00:43:45.220expressions of divine truth um and then you have in the uh prose that we're going over
00:43:54.120um snorri's intention in gilfaginning is to
00:44:00.760like convey what the authentic religion of his ancestors was so he breaks down in a very
00:44:09.360fundamental way what is also true who are these gods who are the icer what are their stories
01:00:15.080So fundamentally, as Gothar, Spahn and My's job is to, Spahn and My job is, Spahn's and
01:00:25.880my job there you go i think their dress charm is to facilitate others building relationship with
01:00:35.160gods and that's a two-way street that's trying to get um the participant to open themselves up
01:00:43.080and to be heard by the gods and it's also to try to facilitate those gods administer blessings and
01:00:52.200interacting with the life of the participant and that can take a lot of different forms
01:00:59.560you know what we probably most often thinks that think of that in bloat or a kind of high ritual
01:01:04.440structure but i think it goes on a lot of different ways but i don't
01:01:13.240i think someone can be eloquent and have amazing arguments and still be wrong
01:01:18.360and i think somebody can be simple and not have amazing arguments and still be profoundly right
01:01:28.040i don't think truth is beholden to argumentation truth is exist truth exists and our argumentation
01:01:34.920helps us to express it or to um weigh it or to measure it but it doesn't create or produce
01:01:44.040truth it just helps quantify or express it um but i hope that touches on some of your things and i
01:01:51.400think that spawn probably has additional stuff to throw at you so spawn go for it yeah i i think
01:01:59.080everything that you're saying um and just to kind of drive the point home when you
01:02:06.840so people don't think that you're just flippantly saying that the god of the judeans is
01:02:14.040uh bad or are or is showing i i know i mean but to back it up is what i'm i'm ultimately saying
01:02:24.940um you know in the greek um in the greek bible which again oldest that we have outside of
01:02:37.280postulations of aramaic um you know you shall not make yourself an image in the form of anything in
01:02:46.560heaven above or of earth beneath or in the waters below you shall bow down to to you shall not bow
01:02:55.020down to them for i the lord your god yahweh uh am a jealous god punishing the children for the
01:03:06.680sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me. So right there,
01:03:15.140I think there's some jarring points that people conveniently forget. And when we talk about
01:03:23.540these points, oh, they're just being mean. No, I think that a great amount of Christianity has been
01:03:32.440sanitized in order to push perhaps maybe the love concept or even like a lot of people online right
01:03:44.800now do the knightly thing even though there were no Christian knights in Rome but there were in
01:03:52.600Germania because the Germanic concept of the oath warrior was already in place so
01:04:00.140So what I can say is that once you begin to understand that there is not a universal, and then the hardest part for people to understand is that if there is no universal, then you must go with what applies to you.
01:04:24.460governance does not apply to every nation in the world not every nation in the world can agree on
01:04:33.580its governance but what you can agree on is the governance of your own people and the way that
01:04:40.220they allocate their reality or their world and then their governance and in much the same way
01:04:47.700Now, the gods don't go into speaking of other peoples and their gods.
01:04:57.240But here in this case, when it is spoken about, it is very clear.
01:05:17.700your your descendants will be punished um at the same time when you have those two kind of lined up
01:05:27.120there is this this is the way of your people embrace the way of your people in embrace the
01:05:35.600gods into your home and you shall grow and prosper and then it becomes irrelevant uh at the
01:05:44.480universality of the gods uh the gods of other people it is it's irrelevant because it is your
01:05:53.420gods your people you cannot change who you are you cannot change the gods and
01:06:00.160you continue forward so i think a lot of folks have a hard time doing that and allocating that
01:06:08.760And if you read the Bible, which thankfully is oftentimes touchstoned with deeply historical points, you'll see that Christianity, i.e. Judaism, because technically it wasn't Christianity until the disciples of the rabbi Yeshua, they left and started to spread the religion amongst other ethnic Jews.
01:06:37.060Saul of Tarsus, of course, being the major one. And then when he realized that he couldn't make0.56
01:06:44.200headway, he decided to go and use the Latin word Gentile, but non-Jews, to convert them.0.90
01:06:54.180So before that, wrestling with divinity was always a matter of, my God can beat up your God.
01:07:03.260And all of the divine conceptualizations was held high, but the details, if there was a city and a siege, they would not bring up the details of perhaps people within the city that were of their own religious group helping open the gates.
01:07:25.700No, no, no. Their God helped them in. That's why they won. Now, I'm not saying that this is bad. Everybody did this in ancient times, but there was very much a time where the Judeans did not believe that their God was the universal God.
01:07:45.800But instead, the God of the Judeans, they understood. And then eventually, they started relegating other people's gods into the form of what they called Shadim. Shadim is an evil or lesser entity.
01:08:06.380they ended up using the word demon in greek but demon means lesser than a god
01:08:14.420so that was the reason why they used it in order to emphasize this this point and slowly over time
01:08:23.680they made yahweh the god of the judeans this universal god and all other gods were somehow
01:08:32.400relegated to lesser than and then later on there was the whole nephilim conceptualization
01:08:41.440um so when you look at a lot of this speaking assuredly from one point while also not knowing
01:08:52.580the position that we are at is i think not the best way to go um you know instead
01:09:01.400asking simply how do your gods feel about other gods or other people uh but i think that a lot
01:09:10.100of times people come from monotheistic universalist uh uh supposed omnipotence um from a very kind of
01:09:20.460uh established point where they don't consider certain things in their faith and i can bring it
01:09:29.840up and it's really a matter of just reading and again usually it always comes down to oh well
01:09:37.600that's what i believe now and even though christians in the past didn't believe that
01:09:42.480or it's like what translation of the bible you're looking at etc etc which is why bringing it back
01:09:50.480to us house it through encourages everyone to look at all the translations because when you get into
01:09:59.120this kind of historical kind of knife pulling it's like oh no no i believe in you know just the
01:10:07.920king james or the nib bible or and it starts to get very very cutthroat uh and it's because they're
01:10:16.640abandoning um mythos and bringing religion down into the nitty-gritty details of spotty history
01:10:28.000I would also like to say, these are really great questions. I don't know, as you're coming into our faith or trying to understand it, there are things that you're going to have to try to work with.
01:10:40.920Christianity, Islam, Judaism have a lot of guilt, have a lot of caveat of the idea that if you turn
01:10:50.440away, you shall be punished. And I understand that struggle. I was not always Al-Satru. I grew up
01:11:00.940very religious. And what I mean by that is a very spiritual, and I sought that community and that
01:11:08.720connectivity, but I didn't find it in the house of Yahweh. And I found it when I came home.
01:11:17.720And the most unfortunate thing was, was that we had no house. And then over time, I've been blessed
01:11:27.020to be involved in, I'll see her go, the bringing Hoffs.
01:11:34.700And as we continue to grow, I'm sure that there will be more and more people
01:11:40.140that will attempt to tear it down.0.98
01:11:42.980And I think most importantly, European Christians should understand
01:11:49.320that we as Ausatru are not attempting to burn down churches or things like that.
01:11:58.680We are more open to the conversation that there is a faith that fully functioned before Christianity in Europe
01:12:09.000and that all of the folk should come back to that faith.
01:12:14.900And that's what makes it. It is universal in that every folk person, no matter what border they're living at, should return to the gods of their people.
01:12:27.220And all of the knowledge that they gain from that will heal them and bring them to the heroic horizon that they need to be in order to save ourselves that I don't think that we can find in other religions from the Middle East or from the Far East or what have you.
01:12:52.740All right, next up from Angela. Appreciate your patience, Angela.
01:12:57.220To the El Terriagoti, what differences have you noticed in your worship style since moving from Nevada to Tennessee?
01:13:57.220Nick is in fact here. No, there's no real way that I do things that's different. But yeah, I'm a, again, if I were going as a guest to something someone else was doing or someone else was leading a ritual, it might be a little bit different.
01:14:20.480but I'm in a spot where I'm typically the one leading it wherever I go.
01:14:25.820So I'm kind of the unique case to where other people change for me
01:21:11.840There is no surviving exact point of the waning gods.
01:21:20.140The Vanir, their name means to wane or really cyclic, to rise and to fall.
01:21:29.680There are theories, some people postulate that perhaps from Ad Umla, the hornless one, that perhaps the Vanir rise.
01:21:46.060but you are correct the alvar and the vanir are not spoken of as having direct uh pinpointed sense
01:21:55.740also kind of in a separate part of your question uncorrupted um the yachtins are not
01:22:06.300uh corrupted in a way they are of their own inclination they are of a beinghood that
01:22:16.060drives itself in a direction and when the first house comes amongst them he does take
01:22:25.000a wife as it is said he takes a wife and remains amongst them um so there's not so much a sense of
01:22:34.400corruption it's just that as um we have uh booty who then has a son named bor it is bor that
01:22:47.200realizes that he must go out on his own and he propagates his uh his seed his genetics his uh
01:22:57.840is power um but he realizes that it it's in different direction than with the uh the beings
01:23:08.000of proto-matter the beings of nivelheim so he decides to move to the center and that's what
01:23:15.280i'm getting at in mythos directionality is so important so we have that uh board and best law
01:23:24.960move to the center where yggdrasil is and that's where they decide to build their kingdom and
01:23:34.360establish their own edicts and that doesn't mean exclusion they uh because they are of the gods
01:23:42.920the the army of the jotens and the gods um the jotens are not seen as like say a completely
01:23:50.660separate genetic species or what have you um no they're they uh they are just like the word
01:23:59.900yachting really etymologically it has a lot to do with consumption but also the mountains and
01:24:08.220the everlastingness so they are elder or older beings and they decide to build their kingdom
01:24:17.040them in the center. Once they go above and you have the Vanir who are in the middle with1.00
01:24:26.840man and with the Jotuns of Ymir, you suddenly see this is the middle ground has significance.1.00
01:24:37.260And that's why I don't encourage anyone to look at anybody who's shifting the roots of Yggdrasil0.99
01:24:45.920around trying to create justification by putting all of the roots in the underworld or what have
01:24:55.220you, because this mythic cycle of the Arian tri-world, upper, middle, and lower, is really
01:25:06.340important. Matter of fact, Christianity did not have an upper, middle, or lower world
01:25:12.640till after rome um the uh semitic worldview was of a an earth and and an upper world or
01:25:24.120a firmament uh i don't know what the word is in aramaic or hebrew but um with the vanir being
01:25:34.680in the middle with humankind, with the folk, and with the Jotans, we begin to see that they are
01:25:44.320deeply connected to cycles. So I often call them the gods of natural law, inescapable and driving0.98
01:25:54.940natural forces. However, the gods above, the gods that also reside, and there is the Alvar,
01:26:04.680but remember specific type of alvar alvar is a title um there are many words in english that i
01:26:13.880always kind of try to lean towards a perfect example would be like the word monster monster
01:26:21.880and i'm not saying that they are monsters what i'm getting at is it has multiple meanings you
01:26:27.560could have it apply to a physical person an imaginary creature or what have you alvar is a
01:26:35.240title that has application on many spectrums and it's in considering what's before it so the gods
01:26:43.320live with the light alvar around them that means that those beings are completely synthesized with
01:26:53.000light. They are given personhood. They have personhood, but their existence is in the form
01:27:01.960of light. So the gods are above with these beings of light and they are unchanging. The attempt
01:27:13.280is to maintain the arc of eternity so i often call them the gods of cosmic order and in the
01:27:23.500beginning there was a great fight between and eventually there was an alignment because
01:27:30.840of the propensity of the the descendants of emir are in essence the beings of dissipation
01:27:40.320of chthonic forces they are uh the emir army emir's children are dissipators and they break
01:27:50.540things down they push things against life and then they they take what remains apart and this0.92
01:27:59.760is necessary the vanir push in life and the only way that life can evolve is through that resistance0.98
01:28:06.900so there's it's not always just good or evil it's it is chaos order the vanir are attempting to
01:28:17.880maintain order through life and organic like collection or connectivity um but the gods are
01:28:27.220concerned the isir gods are concerned with things beyond the biological and when they united
01:28:35.720they became one so don't get that um into don't misconstrue that we're not saying that there's
01:28:44.560vana true and no they are all of the icier after their their conflict they they have united and so
01:28:54.880we consider the synergy between the two to be a completion they were not fully complete there was
01:29:03.580steps in their fate that drove to this point. They needed to be. So the most simplistic way
01:29:14.620that I often talk about it with folks that are not house of truth, maybe my family members are
01:29:20.620just friends. I often say the gods, the Isir gods are all the gods, but when they were separate,0.98
01:29:28.960the gods above were of fire and light and of the the eternal um and wind and that the gods
01:29:41.660in the middle with us were cycles of life death reproduction and often associated with water
01:29:49.620and with earth um again that is not the gods don't fit in those boxes very well
01:29:57.260But it does help people orientate. If you look at, you said, extensions of heat and summer, I would like to also point out GrÃðr or RÃndr, all mothers of sacred gods in our faith.
01:30:18.340And they're associated with the cold, with ice, and also with earthquake, crags, and other kind of the ungiving earth, as opposed to Yarth, the goddess of the giving earth.
01:30:35.220So it doesn't always, but I do like how you were exploring the notions to try to see the gods in many different ways.
01:30:47.400And I encourage that. I think it's really important.
01:30:50.640I'm just bringing the point that it's good to look at some of the other perspectives before we say like corrupted and things.
01:31:00.780And since the Vanir are definitely associated with fecundity, and that comes about through spring and summer, life, the flowers, all of these things are clearly associated with the waning gods, you absolutely are kind of keying in, but more to consider.
01:44:31.460So I'm not saying that that relationship always has to have some sort of grand esoteric meaning,
01:44:41.700But it is a massive part of the way that our ancestors were told by the gods that the universe moves.
01:44:52.000And so whether it's Yggdrasil and Ymir and Adumla or whether it's Fenris and Jormungandr and Hel, the triplication point always goes towards mobility.
01:45:10.420and um we see that the tripartite amongst the germanic folk has always been varied and i would
01:45:21.660argue um that there are more like thrones upon which the gods fulfill wishes of the people but
01:45:33.120since they're gods they they're not beholden simply to um a perfect example is it survives
01:45:41.920in the days of our week tuesday uh wednesday and thursday and generally the structure of
01:45:51.120it is always that the middle one is the highest um then if you look amongst the swedes we see
01:46:00.320that there is uh lord thor in the center and or at least according to the accounts of adam of bremen
01:46:09.120is that lord thor is in the center and that there is the furious one and the fruitful one uh next
01:46:17.120to him and um based on these kind of variations i am of the belief that our ancestors actually
01:46:26.560moved the gods around on these thrones or podiums based on the things that they were
01:46:35.260attempting to ask for and build relationship with lord odin is the lord and the king of the gods
01:46:44.680but he's not a spiteful god uh i know you had mentioned earlier else here that people were
01:46:52.380saying like you don't want lord othen to witness you but he's gonna witness you he has his means
01:47:00.340of doing that but what more importantly is that all right time time i was saying that that is an
01:47:06.280old canard yeah it was said and now so true i not abide by that i invite no no sorry yeah not
01:47:12.720i hope that he finds me worthy in that witness
01:47:15.300yeah i i just think that even our ancestors and this argument would then be kind of uh able to
01:47:25.040be placed um on that concept in in the older times is that our ancestors knew the power
01:47:34.860of lord ovin and of the other gods but and saw the hierarchy but also understood that
01:47:44.140they preferred to uh honor the personhood or the godhood i should say but it's again the individual
01:47:55.100nature of a specific god over another uh they could pray to lord odin for fair weather and
01:48:06.640good crops, but it's like asking the electrician to do your plumbing. So the gods have their
01:48:16.500functionality. This is how we know them. And that's what builds the multiplicity of our
01:48:22.940relationship. We don't have a singular that, again, nature doesn't work that way. And nature
01:48:30.660is a reflection of the divine so there is a multiplicity there is a network but there is also
01:48:37.300hierarchy and that hierarchy is wise enough to allow those who do the best job to answer
01:48:46.500the needs of the folk without being angry jealous uh i mean again there are stories where
01:48:55.060his concerns are perhaps um not in a line with with say the fruitfulness of the field but
01:49:02.980there's going to be a harvest in war and i think that that a lot of that poetic nature
01:49:09.220is kind of reflecting on the harshness of realities if the fields don't get blessed
01:49:16.740there could be starvation and if you are fruitful in fields you may need to be very prepared to
01:49:25.140defend your land from usurpers coming in and attempting to take it so there are harsh realities
01:49:32.740i think the gods don't want us to turn away from but that that triplication all throughout and0.99
01:49:41.620then it gets even crazier if you look in all the other aryan branches in the hellenics they numbered0.90
01:49:48.100theirs zeus carries a scepter or a lightning bolt after influence from the uh baal phoenicians um0.75
01:49:59.860and that uh neptune or poseidon carries a trident and everyone forgets hades carries a bident so
01:52:30.700to, like, make something triple-powered.
01:52:35.980Yeah, so there's compounding, there's diversifying, but one of the things that I would just caution about, we have, I don't want to put this.
01:52:52.640There is a current amongst people, oftentimes people that don't practice house to true or are new in their practice to focus really heavily on strange taboos about stuff.
01:53:14.880They're always worried about getting it wrong.
01:53:19.540Always, always, always be respectful and be pious.
01:53:23.360but i don't think you have to worry about getting it wrong all the time i don't think there is the
01:53:28.160right combination of gods for a given thing i think if you call upon one you're fine call
01:53:36.160one two you're fine or four but make your reasoning intentional sometimes you may just
01:53:43.920have a particular devotion to some that you are closer to so you may have those prominently on
01:53:50.560your altar maybe some that's the only ones you could find idols for there's a variety of different
01:53:57.200reasons and i don't think any of them are wrong as long as they're well-intentioned
01:54:02.400you could have your three gods on your altar be you know vidar valley and hang dollar you
01:54:10.000could do a lot of different things so i wouldn't i wouldn't put too much
01:54:15.040put intention behind what you do but i wouldn't worry that you're doing it wrong and there's some
01:54:24.960perfect alignment or arrangement i don't think that's the case i think there's a big variety
01:54:29.920of reasons that our ancestors did the different things that they did um okay last question for0.80
01:54:37.360For tonight, I promise, can women become the al-Sheri-Gothi?0.99
01:54:43.540No, but that's a trick answer because al-Sheri-Gothi means man.1.00
01:54:49.460Women could absolutely technically become the al-Sheri-Gothi.0.97
02:05:30.420he suspected this might not be just just a man and bade him answer but loki was silent then
02:05:40.900gerother shut loki into a chest and starved him for three months and when gerother took him out
02:05:50.820and commanded him to speak loki told who he was and by way of ransom for his life he swore to
02:05:59.460gerrother with oaths that he would get thor to come into gerrother's dwelling in such a fashion
02:06:08.420that he would have neither hammer nor girdle or the girdle of might with him so the establishment
02:06:18.180here anything that touches the kingdom of gerrother as soon as the hawk tries to leave no
02:06:26.500So the Jotnar and specifically Gerarder too, what is his he owns?
02:06:35.960So Loki goes in and lands and just thinks this is absolutely funny.
02:06:41.360But when it comes time to fly away, he suddenly realizes there's no flying away.
02:06:46.540there there's almost a um unexplained magical consumptive nature uh of of the um hall itself
02:06:57.500so he's brought in there and there's magic afoot he sees this he places them it places him in the
02:07:05.940chest and tortures him again for you know it's like that the three the number three is just
02:07:13.840utilized throughout even uh post-christianity with like hans christian anderson or the grimms
02:07:23.060fairy tales which are deeply influenced by uh pre-christian stuff there's it's the the number
02:07:30.920three so he says okay i am loki and i swear to you that i will bring him into this hall
02:07:42.060and he will be weaponless and beltless the belt that doubles his strength i will
02:07:48.180defang him so that you can control him so already starting off uh in in the essence of
02:07:58.280with nothing so um thor came to spend the night with that giantess who was called grither
02:08:09.220The mother of Vidar, the silent. Vidar is one of our Aus. He's one of the Aesir. And Lord Thor goes there to be with her, not in an intimacy sense.
02:08:28.620He goes there because she has already established connectivity.
02:08:33.660That's why we have some of the Jotnar in our list of Austvinir, as they are the mother of some of the gods, and they've already showed this connectivity.
02:08:47.100But again, praying to them, it's not the same as praying to the gods that go to the well of earth.
02:08:56.060Those gods are deeply invested in watching us. I think that there are other goddesses, the Austvenir, that are of Jotun descent, and they are very much inclined to continue on with their track of Orla without the consideration or prayers of humans.
02:09:17.820honoring them is nice honoring those who are aligned with the gods is always good
02:09:23.160but assuming that you're going to gain anything out of it that's a different story
02:09:28.680so he goes to grither grither means conflict and much like yarth the conflict or grinding of the
02:09:41.220land um is is associated that the geyser the sulfuric acidic pools and the deep dark caverns
02:09:53.660of the earth are often associated with her and so um at this point if we were to look at it
02:10:01.640chronologically um based on what snorty was doing and i'm not saying that this is correct or not but
02:10:07.600He was kind of attempting to create that chronological sense, and it would seem that GrÃðr is not yet the mother of Vidar, but is being stated here kind of as reference.
02:10:24.620So she tells Thor the truth about Gerardr, that he is an extremely crafty giant.
02:10:38.820And she decides to lend him the girdle of might and the iron gloves upon which she possesses.
02:10:47.400So a lot of people don't realize Njolnir is made during the brokerage with Loki and the dwarves, the sons of Ivaldi, but it is the gloves and the belt and specifically the iron rod that is on the mural at Thorshof comes from GrÃðr, an AustvenÃr.
02:11:15.040and by lending him these alone she is a beloved one in alignment so she gives him the girdle of
02:11:26.100might and iron gloves and her staff or rod which is called grither's rod then thor proceeded to
02:11:37.360the river named vimmer it was the greatest of all all rivers where he girded himself with the girdle
02:11:45.740of might and braced firmly downstream with grither's rod so he's trying to cross this river
02:11:53.420and he's utilizing the staff as a strut and loki held on behind holding on to his belt so basically
02:12:04.380grab my belt loop um and again this immediately does establish many things about loki his um
02:12:13.820non-adherence to masculinity um and kind of dipping his toes into femininity and this is
02:12:23.020a perfect example he he's holding on uh to the belt of lord thor as they cross the river
02:12:30.380um now when thor came to the mid current the river began to wax so greatly that it broke
02:12:40.560high up upon and around his shoulders thor then sang this wax thou not now vimur for i fain
02:12:53.300would wade thee into the giant's garth know thou if thou waxest then waxeth god's strength in me
02:13:05.260as high up as the heavens so he's singing a a poetic song that follows alliterative poetry
02:13:16.660and in essence us a spell if you will you may grow and wax but as you do you shall increase
02:13:27.960my strength so that what you're trying to stop will become even more inevitable
02:13:33.980so then Thor saw gyalp and gyalp survives in our language with the word yelp or to cry out
02:13:47.600but in in this sense it is more of a kind of a battle cry or a kind of a warnings cry and
02:14:00.000also associated with the voice. So you see here that it might have magical implications.
02:14:10.820So Thor looks up the river and he sees Gjelp, who is the daughter of Geralder,
02:14:18.280standing in certain ravines, one leg in each, spanning that river.
02:14:25.420and she was causing the space so she was raising the water up so she's using her magic to
02:14:37.100drought thor and thor not having any of it and this is again we see these in arian stories of
02:14:48.680the chaotic feminine because there is there is the ordered feminine there is the focused feminine
02:14:56.740this is chaotic and the masculine we see this you know like in the story of perseus and medusa and
02:15:05.240many other uh forms where we see this the birthing of of chaos elements being quelled
02:15:13.540by the strength of the masculine and in this case he reaches down into the river and he snatches up
02:15:21.520a great stone out of the river and he casts it at her saying these words at its source should a river
02:15:31.420be stemmed nor did he miss that at which he threw so uh lord thor does not miss that which he throws
02:15:45.020whether it's mjolnir or not and at the river as she is the source of that river it should be stemmed
02:15:54.220and in that moment he came to the shore and took hold of a rowan branch or clump and climbed out
02:16:04.920of the river whence the saying that rowan is thor's deliverance so uh the rowan tree the rowan
02:16:16.200branches, specifically I can name during our Nornanot, is used for protection, but it is also
02:16:27.080often associated with Seif, the goddess, who is the goddess of the farm and the family and the field.
02:16:37.880And so we may have proof that there is a cross pollination with the finish where they have their god that is like Thor and his wife is associated with rowan trees.
02:16:59.540so he grabs the rowan and thus makes it a sacred tree that pulls him out of the river
02:17:07.320after braining this witch and uh i'm sure loki is sopping wet um now thor then comes to gerard
02:17:20.360the companions were shown first into the goat fold and that is uh when we read the stories
02:17:29.880we learn some things including just historical facts and this is the area where the animals would
02:17:38.520be brought in especially in iceland animals were brought into the front half of the hall
02:17:44.600there was a wall separating them but in there there was oftentimes beds placed above them
02:17:52.200because the heat of the animals was um shared heat and again the weather would
02:17:59.880kill them so if the if the animals were small enough they were brought into a
02:18:04.120front section of the hall and that's where that is the goat fold um so first they were shown into
02:18:10.440the goat fold for their entertainment and there was one chair there for a seat so thor sat there
02:18:19.960think of it as the um the uh oh my goodness i just forgot the name of it um when you enter into a
02:18:27.080hall into a house it's the foyer uh if you will um and he sits he sits down perhaps you clean off the
02:18:35.960boots or what have you um then he became aware that the chair moved under him up toward the roof
02:18:45.640slowly began to rise so he thrust grither's rod up against the rafters and pushed back hard against
02:18:55.720the chair so in the land of the yotnar he sits into the front hall of gerader and suddenly his
02:19:04.360gravity his uh weight is challenged as he's lifted up and he takes a rod of iron to realign himself
02:19:15.680and make sure that he doesn't rise up um so then there was a great crash and then screaming
02:19:25.000followed under the chair had been gerard's daughter yelp and now this is interesting because
02:19:35.780yelp and grape um yelp has already been brained by the stone so there is some inconsistency here
02:19:46.720and we've spoken about how the scriptoriums when they were writing the poems out oftentimes
02:19:54.780had multiple people writing sections in order to disperse and spread out the work. So sometimes
02:20:03.180there are repetitions, especially if each individual script writer is attempting to maintain
02:20:12.380alliteration. So we know of the two daughters, unless there is possibly a third who is the same
02:20:24.560name as Gjelp but it's uh again we're entering into the the world of speculation based on
02:20:33.600on um the the script of it um Gjelp and Greip and he had broken both their backs by pressing
02:20:46.760down with the rod. Then Gerardr had Thor called into the hall to play games. So what we kind of
02:20:58.660see here is this lifting off the ground, another, I think, symbolic point of the catalyst throne
02:21:07.760being detached from the ground um but it's not done in malice it's done almost as as in a trick
02:21:17.380and i don't think gerard really connects um that but he immediately proves to them they try to do
02:21:27.680the river daughter gets the stone they try to lift him up into the rafters perhaps to even crush him
02:21:35.180and he crushes right back so when he does get invited into the hall um he's asked to play games
02:21:44.820like uh there is a popular game most people know uh it's uh not not for top food or battle table
02:21:55.620um and other games uh like chess uh there there are great fires that span the whole length of the
02:22:06.720hall thor then comes up over and against gerader so he sits down across from him then gerader took
02:22:16.600up a glowing bar of iron in the fire with tongs and cast it at thor thor caught it with his iron
02:22:25.600gloves and raised the bar into the air, but Geradr leapt behind an iron pillar to save himself.
02:22:35.120Thor lifted up the bar and through it, it passed through the pillar and through Geradr and through
02:22:44.200the wall, and so on, out of the hall, even into the earth.
02:22:51.240Eilivir Gundrasund has wrote verses on this story in Thorstraupa.
02:29:28.320The wind with slippery pebbles, smitten to speech, slept not.
02:29:34.700The clashing rod did rattle against the worn rocks and the rapid.
02:29:40.800Of the fells howled, storms smitten on the river's stony anvil.
02:29:47.300the weaver of the girdle beheld the washing slope stream fall on his hard-grown shoulders
02:29:57.760no help he found to save him the miniature of hill folk the diminisher of trolls the diminisher
02:30:08.360of the um forces of chaos of the elder mountains of the elder land it's lord thor no one came to
02:30:18.660save him and uh the girdle that he gained from grither is where he begins to pull up his might
02:30:28.980from the other earth there is of the goddess yard and there are people that have tried to say that
02:30:37.300yard is frig no the stratification of the gods shows their dominion over many aspects that's
02:30:46.980they're trying to do that so they can justify that all the gods are just simply one sky god
02:30:53.140and then you basically have sky daddy earth mommy and it's like scholarly wiccan and it's
02:31:00.740it's not hard polytheistic um ideology so um the miniature of the hill folk caused might to grow
02:31:12.040within him even to the roof of heaven till the rushing flood should ebb the fair warriors of the
02:31:19.140isir in battle wise fast waited so they quickly crossed and in this sense with um the poem it's
02:31:27.820fialvi loki and thor and he reaches to in an attempt to cross swiftly the surging pool
02:31:37.340sword sweeping streamed sword meaning like swarthy sweeping down torrents of dark water
02:31:47.860streamed the earth drifts billow blown by a mighty tempest so she's not only raising the water
02:31:56.600She's raising a storm. Blown by a mighty tempest, tugged with monstrous fury at the terrible oppressor of the earthborn tribe of the cave folk.1.00
02:32:11.000That is, of course, Gelp. And she is of the earthborn tribe.1.00
02:32:16.340And the point of that being of the middle, they're of the middle world.
02:32:22.300and that is very important um all of that directionality till fialvi came uplifted
02:32:31.620onto his lord's wide shield strap that was a mighty few test so he fialvi's pulling himself
02:32:43.780up on the shield strap um of lord thor not so much like hiding down near his
02:32:52.300belt he's trying to remain up and the strap is being tested that was a mighty few test
02:33:01.260from the prop of heaven the maidens of harmful giant stiffly held the stream stubborn against
02:33:10.700them the giantess destroyer lord thor with grither staff fared sternly nor did their hearts of
02:33:21.420rancor droop in the men unblemished nor courage against the headlong fall from the current fail
02:33:30.540them a fiercer and daring spirit flamed up in the dauntless god's breast with terror thor's staunch
02:33:41.180heartstone trembled not nor theologies it kind of speaks for itself but there's another reference
02:33:49.580there of the heart stone i know that some people were talking about krongnir's heart being the
02:33:55.660valk not no the idea of a heart stone seems across the board he is a hardened heart and he doesn't
02:34:06.460diminish he doubles in and the alvi moves with him and afterwards the haters of the host of sword
02:34:16.860companions the shatterer of buckler shields dimmed on the shield of giants air the destroying0.75
02:34:25.740peoples of the shingle drift of monsters this is of course the jotnar and he is
02:34:35.100they're they're um they're haters of the sword companions the brothers in arms that is lord
02:34:43.100Thor and Theology. And they're the air, the destroying peoples of the shingle or the slate
02:34:54.300drift, the collapsing stone and kind of the chaos of Earth element.
02:35:02.040um wrought the helm play of hidden against the rock dwelling marksmen so lord thor
02:35:15.500uh goes against gyalp the hostile folk of sea heights fled before the oppressor
02:35:25.460Of headland tribes, the dalesmen of the hilltops imperiled, fled when Odin's kindred stood enduring staunchly.0.82
02:35:37.620So, they try to raise the river, and after the throwing of the stone, they flee.
02:35:46.680The Danes of the flood-reef's borders bowed down to the flame-shaker.
02:35:55.460And again, the the waves, I believe it's the waves of the river start to die down and the usage of the word Danes being kind of the multitude, the host or perhaps the the population of the flood reefs borders.
02:36:20.420The river stops overflowing and they bow down to the flame shaker, another height of Lord Thor, where the chiefs with thoughts of valor imbued marched into Thorne's house.
02:36:37.920A mighty crash resounding. Of the cave's ring wall, the slayer of the mountain reindeer people on the giant maiden's wide hood was brought into bitter peril. There was baleful peace talk.
02:36:59.460Another interesting point here is this reference to the mountain reindeer people.
02:37:07.600This is partially why I was drawing an ibex in relation to the Austveneer Skavi is in reference to the Finnish relationship to the Nords.