00:03:00.000hello and welcome to this week's edition of victory never sleeps and it's that time of
00:03:14.520the month again no not that time it is uh time for adulting with alan um this week alan is going
00:03:22.860to tell us how to properly position his camera no today we're going to talk about parenting
00:03:29.120And I think it's, it is a topic that there's a lot of different angles to, but is really important and I think hits home with a great many of us.
00:03:47.000And it's a topic that a lot of people frequently have questions about or wonder about.
00:06:55.520Cliff Erickson and his beautiful wife, Katie, and their family found this property, went
00:07:01.700in and inspected it, made sure that it was right and fitting for Lord Freyer and for
00:07:07.320behalf that they will grasp the reins of and make into something wonderful. So congratulations Cliff
00:07:17.380and Katie and to all the folks in the northeast region for this beautiful wonderful property and
00:07:26.420to all of us who have contributed and stood their part in the shield wall while we made this into a
00:07:35.180reality absolutely we've had um the number of people who have really been champions on doing
00:07:45.980this this has definitely been a team effort to get where we were going on it um i know it's been
00:07:54.620kind of a long road because it took it's hard because when we talk about you know the build
00:08:01.500up to the next Hoff there's all of the paying down and eventually paying off of New York's Hoff
00:08:10.460and then finding a place and then finding a lender this is also made possible by a very special
00:08:18.860donor who wants to remain anonymous in the Odens Hoff district that was able to lend us the money
00:08:27.340for for this half so we are very appreciative of him and his tremendous trust and generosity in
00:08:35.340doing that and uh yeah we excited isn't quite the word for it um but take that and multiply it
00:08:44.460exponentially so i'm excited to share that with you guys this evening and uh yeah there you go
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00:09:21.740answer today um when it's not knowing the answer ever slowed us down ah it's just a bump in the
00:09:27.740road it's a minor we don't we don't let that deter us so might as well throw it out there uh we are
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00:09:53.260but um we are 125 000 of which we are 19 060 towards that goal so you guys are awesome
00:10:05.660We are impressed. We're humbled. We are appreciative. That said, law speaker, tell us about parenting.
00:10:13.560parenting i wow um parent where to begin um first i'll say i'm the proud father of three
00:10:26.500beautiful children um who are uh luckily alternatively pains in the neck and rarely
00:10:34.280all at one time um now 30 27 25 although they never get all the way off the payroll somehow
00:10:41.780So when I think of this, like the framework of parenting, one of the things that when I frame our, the AFA, and our, what is to me a radical traditionalist approach to life and the universe and everything.
00:11:09.540Um, the way I always tend to frame that when I, when I'm watching modern culture, um, and I see a lady female in some, you know, in position of society is like, why shouldn't women work?
00:11:30.380Right. But for the I don't know, that's become the modern standard.
00:11:38.380And it's not that they're not qualified and that they're not equal in many ways to what men can do.
00:11:46.100But the most important thing and the job that has gone undone in Western civilization for 60 or 70 or 80 years now is the job of rearing children.
00:11:59.740If you think about the way that an intact society raises its children, where all the neighbors know each other and the women are home sort of supervising.
00:12:13.260And I know that's an old-fashioned way of looking at things, but I'm an old-fashioned guy.
00:12:17.980You can take the fashion out of it, and it would still be true.
00:12:20.340But the most important thing that we can do is to give our children a right view and a right raising so that when they are old enough to flee the nest, that they are making good decisions, that they have a good, intact, resilient personality.
00:12:47.540so that when they are assailed by the winds of modern, what would one use,
00:12:56.700the modern zeitgeist that opposes us in so many ways that they are able to stand firm against the tide of incredible idiocy that seems to reign supreme out there.
00:13:12.700So along that line, I mean, I. Where to begin the certainly I can say that I made mistakes coming up, there's stuff I would do different.
00:13:28.200There's a lot of stuff that I did that I would do the same. You know, a couple of, you know, I guess we can start with just like sort of a few pointers and generalizations.
00:13:39.200um like for me i'm a big fan and a big advocate of attachment parenting um as the you know there's
00:13:50.060that that was there was a i think it's a husband and wife couple the dr sears
00:13:56.480um approach to that um they were the advocates maybe the first strong advocates of attachment
00:14:03.500parenting which you know it sounds like some great modern innovation or whatever but i mean
00:14:08.520If you look back just a couple hundred years before the Western canon tried to systematize child rearing, that's what everybody did. That was just the way that kids were raised. The child was always with you.
00:14:26.080um i you know we did co-sleeping with our kids i think that's a big benefit um
00:14:36.700i think a lot of the the psychological issues that come around with kids now are from early
00:14:46.380issues that um you know where the doctors tell you you know let him pry it out let you know
00:14:52.700don't pick him up always terrible advice i think i'm not a psychologist just a
00:15:00.940guy who's been observing what's been going wrong with western civilization since i was
00:15:13.100first of all i don't think you know the the thing about people parents young parents um
00:15:20.140don't have a lot of guidance i don't think um i think too often we're live we live in this atomized
00:15:29.580universe where the um you know the parents are over you know the grandparents are over here and
00:15:35.420the parents are over here maybe in different cities um you know because you've been moved
00:15:39.900you've moved two or three times trying to chase a job and there's not a good support network out
00:15:44.380there i mean there's all sorts of chaos that contributes to um the stress that young parents
00:15:53.820rightly feel um they're afraid they're going to make mistakes guess what you are um and but for
00:16:00.540the most part if you are if you have good intentions and act in good faith you're going to get it
00:16:08.140right most of the time most of the way and that's i think the best that anybody can hope for i think
00:16:13.020So if there was one thing that I would ask parents and young parents to be, first of all, I would encourage the reproduction of healthy white children, or at least practicing the attempt.
00:16:31.600In addition, I think if you act in good faith and consciously and mindfully, then you're going to get it right most of the time.
00:16:43.020And beyond that, I mean, there are lots of fine points that I could go into about my experience and, you know, what went right and what went wrong.
00:16:53.800You know, certainly one of the things that I think is very important, and I'm encouraged to see the vast majority.
00:17:01.360First of all, let me say, you know, the vast majority of the children that we interact with, certainly at Nordhoff and when I go to other Hoffs, the kids are so normal, you know, and so well adjusted.
00:17:19.920You know, it's so encouraging to see our kids.
00:17:27.860And, you know, the whiny, neurotic kid, that's like all the other normies out there that are following this terrible advice from decades of arguably well-intentioned but misdirected Western child-rearing technique.
00:17:49.920Where, you know, I can, you know, look back at the journals that my mother kept when I was an infant and, you know, start me on solid food at day three, terrible mistake, you know, baby should be nursed and blah, blah, blah.
00:18:06.780So, you know, we have all that. Long before I became a parent, I guess when I was first starting the path back toward something that looks like a traditionalist viewpoint on life,
00:18:21.840I read about the struggle that especially Germanic parents, and that's the Aryan parents, have because we try to raise our children in a way that they are mostly compliant, mostly obedient, but without breaking their spirit.
00:18:47.580And that's a delicate balance because it's easy to, you know, to beat them down, browbeat them, literally beat them.
00:19:03.640That's a terrible idea, you know, until they lose their own personality.
00:19:08.760And yes, they will do exactly what you say out of fear and cowering, but then they will become terrible adults.
00:19:18.540And I think that's a lot of the issue that we see in some of the other civilizations that we interact with.
00:19:29.800That's the way they raise their kids to be totally subservient.
00:19:34.080And it's a delicate balance because, you know, you have to raise your kids to do what you say most of the time.
00:19:42.500You know, you'd have to tolerate some questioning. And I hear it over and over again.
00:19:47.900Certainly we said it like we are never going to say when we had a little baby in arms.
00:19:53.200I've got a picture. I should have brought it. But we had the little baby.
00:19:56.860I'm like, we are never going to say because I said so.
00:19:59.760Like, we're going to explain to our children why you should be doing what we say, and, you know, it's going to be all rational.
00:20:10.700So, but we always, it turned out to be that was the third explanation, right?
00:20:34.940I mean, you could explain stuff into the heat death of the universe,
00:20:41.020and they're still going to ask you another question about it.
00:20:44.860So at some point, you just have to comply.
00:20:51.520It's funny, I could even name the heathen, no longer with the AFA,
00:20:55.340but he was talking about walking through a grocery store in California,
00:20:59.500and this four-year-old is laying on the floor of the grocery store literally screaming and
00:21:07.560kicking her legs and not wanting to do whatever it was the parent said, and the parent is standing
00:21:14.140over her going, do we need to have a meeting? Do we need to have a meeting? Yeah, you need to be
00:21:21.260meeting that, meeting some discipline. So, and that's the thing, you have to teach your kids
00:21:28.580discipline, but in an even-handed manner. The phrase I liked when we were doing, when we were
00:21:36.720raising kids, which I thought I met, my boys might disagree, you know, but, and that is to be firm,
00:21:45.020but fair. You know, we had a pretty wide perimeter that we let the kids roam in, um, without a whole
00:21:53.000lot of, uh, um, correction. You know, they, they had a pretty wide latitude, but then right at
00:22:03.360that boundary, if they crossed the boundary, then there was consequences. Um, and I think that
00:22:12.100that's important. Your kids have to have consequences and you have to be consistent.
00:22:17.620That was one of the things that we really practiced was consistency, you know, and if you,
00:22:24.640if you say you're going to do something, like if you say, if you do that one more time, then you're
00:22:32.060going to get punished. If they do it again and you don't punish them, then they know that they're in
00:22:36.720charge. At that point, they know they can do whatever they want. You're not ever going to do
00:22:40.400anything the kids run in the household and um you know you're off the cliff there sorry mr
00:22:49.220you're you know so you're you're down the slippery slope of uh disobedient chaos so
00:22:56.980but same time your rules have to be reasonable like you can't just say
00:23:01.020you know your your rules if they're reasonable and rational the kids will go along with it kids
00:23:07.220need structure. Kids need structure, and they need to know that they're all rules, and that's part of
00:23:13.320the cocoon that swaddles them until they can pupate into adulthood. Sorry for mixing my metaphors
00:23:22.260there. I had another point, and I skipped ahead, and so I forgot where I was going.
00:23:33.920But sorry about that. Oh, I know what I was going to talk about.
00:23:38.540Actually, because this is another opportunity for me to get on my soapbox about cell phones and talk about that.
00:23:49.200One of the things that we shared when we talked about mental health is the fact.
00:23:55.400And I think fact is the right way to say it.
00:23:58.020Certainly the accurate assessment by lots of studies of psychology, no child under the age of 14 should have access to a cell phone.
00:24:14.880They are not equipped with the filters to keep the bad stuff out or to have things in proportion.
00:24:25.840The studies show that the spike in self-harm that young teenagers, even pre-teenagers, are going through is largely generated by the cell phone,
00:24:47.020the social media phenomenon, recognize, and I think it's important to talk about again,
00:24:54.400that social media platforms all have teams of psychologists and psychiatrists and marketing
00:25:08.020people whose entire goal is to get people to stay fixated on the screens that they are generating.
00:25:17.060So it's a terrible idea for kids to have access to that because they don't have the
00:25:23.280wherewithal to, you know, to defend themselves against that social media infiltration of their
00:25:34.420inner being, and it also deprives kids of, you know, it's the substitution effect is what
00:25:41.320is the short-term way for it, right? If you're spending an hour a day looking at TikTok or
00:25:50.100Facebook or YouTube, this show being the one exception, then, you know, you're,
00:25:58.260then that's time you're not spending playing ball or interacting with your
00:26:04.960friends or doing the other things that are critically important to,
00:26:10.360to developing a well-rounded and normal and yes,
00:29:14.420during all the covid lockdowns that afflicted you know so many of us
00:29:20.020us we have a generation of people and it's funny because you know to myself maybe more so to Alan
00:29:28.900the passage of time is really different two years of obnoxiousness later in life when you
00:29:37.300are in a relationship when you have a family when you have those things figured out is bad enough
00:29:45.220and it's really detrimental but when you're first developing your social skills
00:29:49.940you're in high school you're in that age group you're trying to make friends you're trying to
00:29:54.260pursue sports you're trying to learn how to talk to girls or vice versa if you're a female and
00:30:00.580you're trying to navigate those things we've seen how delayed and damaged we have generations of
00:30:10.180people in their early 20s and mid-20s that are socially socially retarded and i don't use that
00:30:17.380as a pejorative but just literally they are slowed and developmentally delayed socially
00:30:23.060because they didn't get that interaction they didn't learn how to interact in a
00:30:31.380emotionally responsible way with other human beings and that you know there's probably plenty
00:30:39.780of people in their early 20s that feel that watching this show right now that's older kids
00:30:46.580how much more so younger kids on that um learning how to interact with other human beings in the
00:30:54.100real world is a very essential life skill and it has been since the dawn of mammalian life
00:31:06.100that should not be foregone uh for modern convenience until you've at least developed
00:31:12.900the basic skills to uh to incorporate that and i think that if you know if it's relevant to
00:31:20.020technology and alan and i are both saying it i think everybody's probably well served to
00:31:25.460there's something to it yeah and i appreciate you um taking that uh taking that spot with me um
00:31:33.780because it's tough you know you know your your kids are gonna beg and whine to get that latest
00:31:40.900technology um maybe uh you know on the other hand if you've got them busy doing stuff and they have
00:31:49.540a well-rounded life where they don't need to absorb themselves into screen time then you know
00:31:57.060then they won't miss it as much the um you know the the substitution effect is a very real thing
00:32:04.500If you, you know, if you keep them busy. And even then there's a balance, right? Because one of the things that psychologists suggest is that we overparent our children. And part of that is because we, we're trying to make up for the fact that we're not around enough.
00:32:24.400you know we so we over structure their time
00:32:28.340you know and set them up with play dates which is just
00:32:33.320you know like in my neighborhood when i was growing up and i realized that you know this
00:32:39.800was like in the 13th century or whatever but if we wanted to go play with somebody we should go
00:32:44.360knock on their door right hey the bark come out and play yeah okay no he's over at mark's house
00:32:50.340So we'd go over there and then we'd go down to the school and play baseball or whatever.
00:32:55.300So, you know, whereas now it's, well, you know, you want to go play soccer or not?
00:33:10.700You don't want to just let them freewheel all the time.
00:33:13.240You've got to, you know, you have to have some, a little bit of structure time and then some downtime.
00:33:18.440And they've got to do that busy work. I mean, homework, it's critically important that you, I actually do think that you should do memorization work because if you don't know facts, like how can you structure a rational worldview if you don't know, like in the timeline, like when was the battle of Hastings versus, you know, whatever came after that.
00:33:48.440Anyway, so a lot of things came after that.
00:33:52.700I was going to say, it's been a lot to happen in the last thousand years.
00:34:01.700And then Steve McDowell came along and the world began to put itself right.
00:34:08.820Along that line, though, you know, and one of the big reasons I think that, you know, that we need to have good, strong children with good, strong personalities is that we are in the minority so, so much of the time.
00:34:35.180Now, some events have directed us, you know, have, you know, are starting to wake people up to the fact that our worldview is the right worldview.
00:34:50.520And so the world is awakening. Western Europe is awake. Western civilization is awake, reawakening to the idea that maybe all this multiculturalism is not such a great idea.
00:35:05.180but um in the meantime like you your kids are going to catch a lot of flack about
00:35:13.820wearing a hammer so they have to they have to be strong within themselves and they have to
00:35:21.740be um resilient and the way that you do that is you know you let them
00:35:27.420bounce off the floor occasionally you know our you know
00:35:31.900know we went to the emergency room 12 or 15 times i know we had six or eight broken arms between
00:35:42.320the three kids and a broken collarbone never a broken leg um several stitches but you know it
00:35:51.560just comes with the territory they bounce up and they're okay right and that's what you know scars
00:35:56.160make good stories. I don't have any, but like my oldest boy's got a plate right here in his
00:36:03.420collarbone. And he did finally tell me the real story about what happened. He didn't just fall
00:36:10.640off the skateboard when he was 16. His 17-year-old buddy was driving him down, you know, and he was
00:36:18.600holding on. They were, they were, what do you call it, slaloming with the skateboard, you know?
00:36:26.800so he was on grabbing on the back of the tailgate yeah well with a rope it was with the toe okay
00:36:33.280oh okay that's even that's a terrible idea yeah as he probably now knows
00:36:44.320he certainly learned it after his second day in the emergency room um but uh you know that was um
00:36:51.440Um, but again, you live and learn, right? And that's, uh, uh, that's something that I think
00:37:00.480the children of a lot of the helicopter, the hovering parents, you know, like every time
00:37:05.980they, the kid hits their butt a little bit, they come sweeping over there. Um, I've been around
00:37:12.460that too. It's agonizing to watch parents hover like that because they, you know, because then
00:37:18.220kid grows up thinking of themselves as fragile um and you know your kids are not fragile they'll
00:37:26.460you know they'll bounce up and and do well so i think i would like to enter good stories
00:37:35.340they do and i want to interject on that for a second there's something that happens and i
00:37:39.500think we've all seen this with like a toddler like a real little kid they look to the adults in the
00:37:48.860room to gauge how to react there are like crushing injuries that are an immediate pain screaming out
00:37:59.900and then there's i fell down right and then you see and if you've got you know the hysterical
00:38:09.500oh my god my baby then the crying and the the drama ensues but if you see dad over there like
00:38:19.340you all right okay come here that was cool you know often there's not a problem they take those
00:38:26.700early cues on and it's a couple of different things yes it's obnoxious if your kid is a cry
00:38:36.860baby all the time that is annoying to the rest of us it's whatever and you want tough kids but it's
00:38:43.660not just about that a lot of it's about self-confidence and it's about them feeling like
00:38:49.900they can try things and if they fall they can dust themselves off and try again and that that's
00:38:55.340encouraged and celebrated that it's you know it's okay to you know get banged around a little bit
00:39:02.780in the course of life and it's not a crisis it's not the end of the world it teaches a lot of those
00:39:10.220little things psychologically that kind of build how you react to stuff and i think that comes into
00:39:17.740play throughout life a little bit later and i get and i'll gladly take a back seat on a lot
00:39:23.420of this conversation my daughter is five so i can't you know judge the i can't judge the fruits
00:39:31.900of how whatever i'm doing is gonna gonna pay off or not i i've got five years worth of stuff that
00:39:39.100i can talk about and some theories and things that i see with other um children in the afa
00:39:45.020and children i come in contact with but i do that's something that i think is is very important
00:39:52.220the other thing that i wanted to mention about the over protectiveness i think this comes in but like
00:39:58.220with the world around us in general and other things
00:40:03.740you and i don't think there's a perfect answer to this this is an art but
00:40:13.020you don't want reality to hit them in the face perhaps literally all at once with no preparation
00:40:24.620when they're outside of your ability to help them navigate it to do that would be irresponsible
00:40:33.500if they don't get to learn how to problem solve and learn something of the world around them
00:40:41.900and they have to figure it out all at once
00:40:44.300the hey in the deep end them the consequences of sinking are very real and we see them around us a
00:40:57.480lot so that's something that's that is important to keep in mind and that's one of the some of the
00:41:05.120stuff with those who study and look at this stuff professionally can cast what we see you know just
00:41:13.520in general and they can categorize it and uh denominate it but one of the and that's what
00:41:21.120you see with uh with both unstructured play um and other things that are taken away if you spend too
00:41:30.640much time on social media and too much time on your cell phone um but in the and it's exactly
00:41:37.440what you're talking about that the um one of the examples that they use and i would never have
00:41:43.200thought about this but it's like they call it turn taking right like when you're playing with
00:41:49.680kids like you don't get the ball all the time you know and so you have to learn they get a turn they
00:41:55.420get a turn i get a turn that's not something that you learn when you're scrolling or online game
00:42:03.000because always your turn right and so then when you come out out into the cold cruel world where
00:42:11.460it's not always your turn, then you don't have those psychological strength to endure
00:42:19.300what, for a lot of people, then get knocked down by what seems like some pretty minor
00:42:28.700stuff, and I think it's because they haven't been, you know, haven't developed those calluses
00:42:36.200that you get from um going around and playing pickup baseball and i don't think you need to set
00:42:44.200set them up for failures in orders for them to learn you know what that's like i think
00:42:49.640life provides plenty of that in a measured and appropriate way but um
00:42:57.800something you don't you don't pull the you don't um pull the swing out from under them when they're
00:43:03.160going to sit down um but you also don't well okay so i really appreciate there was this other dad
00:43:12.440at uh costco i was walking with aubrey pushing the cart and doing stuff she wasn't looking where
00:43:18.680she was going ever and i told her like five six say an obnoxious amount of time hey aubrey you
00:43:26.360need to look where you're going you need to look where you're going you need to look where you're
00:43:29.560going she was walking right towards this other dude's cart and he looked at me this other dad
00:43:35.400looked at me and i looked at him and we gave each other the nod she just walked right into it
00:43:43.480not enough to like hurt herself but i'm i told you you need to watch where you're going
00:43:49.720those things um it's important to learn those but something else i wanted to say that
00:43:55.640i think is often misunderstood when we're adults and we're angry with another man it's like hey
00:44:05.720why don't you say that to my face bet you wouldn't say that to my face it's easy to see the very
00:44:12.520obvious implication of if you push too hard maybe someone will hit you but i think there's a much
00:44:19.320bigger lesson in that on why people wouldn't say that to somebody's face and this goes to the idea
00:44:26.200of the socialization we talked about interacting with other people and learning that they have
00:44:32.120feelings and developing empathy matters you don't like it when people say mean things to you it hurts
00:44:39.960your feelings well when you say mean things to other people and you look at them and you see
00:44:45.480that you've hurt their feelings you feel that empathy and you start understanding i don't like
00:44:50.840how it feels to look at my friend who now is sad because of something i said and you learn how to
00:45:00.840be sympathetic to other people that way by seeing their reaction and that goes for everything like
00:45:07.960you look somebody in the face and you say something really dumb you realize like that
00:45:12.600guy's looking at you like you're crazy and you hear how it's said when you said it out loud
00:45:17.000and you learn a valuable lesson about like oh okay now it makes sense well if you're you know
00:45:23.880an anonymous face behind the screen with some kind of comic book avatar you don't get that
00:45:31.240response you don't get that feedback to inform your social interaction and all of that that's
00:45:38.440important both you don't get either side of it you don't don't get checked by the the obvious hurt
00:45:46.200that you feel that you've caused and you don't get checked by the threat of a bloody nose yeah all of
00:45:53.160all of the above or you you those navigations and again you want to learn that on the playground
00:46:00.680you don't want to learn that in a back alley in a strange town you don't know where you're at but
00:46:06.760all of a sudden you're 18 and your car broke down and you're somewhere strange
00:46:11.960that's not the time to learn that lesson right that's where stranger danger is a real thing
00:46:23.000um it's it's it's tough you know and it's it's getting harder i i have said before
00:46:35.480that i'm really happy that we got our kids out um right before cell phones came along i mean my
00:46:44.360um you know 2012 or so was you know the first time our kids were running cell phones
00:46:54.680it immediately turned into a problem um uh so and i get it you know you want and
00:47:02.840And it's but you as an interim solution, I know like one of the objections that I read about, like, well, I got to be able to get in touch with them.
00:47:13.560First of all, you don't like we again, like when I was growing up, you know, before electricity, the it was that thing where, you know, when it got dark, we came home or, you know, supper was ready before that.
00:47:29.200mom would come out and call us and we'd go home from where we were usually pretty quickly um but
00:47:36.020you know if you feel like you you're so used now to being able to have the at least a feeling of
00:47:45.420that constant tether in your hand i mean your kids can have a dumb phone they still make them
00:47:49.840where you know they can text you know i'm over at mark's house we're gonna play clue or whatever
00:47:57.100it's uh so you can so they can have a phone where they can call if something really does happen
00:48:05.460and you know if there's an emergency they can get in touch that makes sense i'm you know i wouldn't
00:48:12.080i wouldn't decry that but to have a um you know to have the one-eyed idiot maker in their hand
00:48:18.820all the time where they're so much of their soul is being absorbed by the nefarious forces that
00:48:26.620lurk behind the screen. It's just a terrible, terrible idea. You know, I, I think, you know,
00:48:37.840the, I wish we could get back to that ideal of, you know, like-minded parents all being in the
00:48:45.280same neighborhood, raising their kids the same way. I think that's a lot of how I grew up.
00:48:49.840So looking back on it, we can, we can, we can.
00:48:55.520It is much less convenient now than people like to.
00:48:58.220It used to be, and this is approaches a meta narrative.
00:54:53.960It's very seldom going to come and find you, but if you are committed to building that,
00:54:59.420you have a lot of agency to build the life that you want for yourself and your family.
00:55:03.720if you're willing to pick up stakes and move somewhere and put down roots and make those
00:55:09.340efforts. It's not always going to be easy, but in the AFA, you have a lot of options to help with
00:55:14.520that. And it kind of flows into tonight's earlier announcement about Frazehoff. The more we get
00:55:20.520Hoff's places, those can serve as spots for people to move closer to and build community around.
00:55:27.820We've got beachheads in the wolf age around us of little pockets of golden age that we can all take shelter in.
00:55:38.060And that's a beautiful thing that we have that generations previous didn't.
00:55:42.300And I'd encourage everybody to take part in that.
00:55:44.580So two things like we there is an AFA parenting group online, right?
00:55:49.760um so i would certainly encourage those parents that
00:55:57.620to gather around that because you know that is that kind of thing where like
00:56:06.460it looks like the whole rest of the world is in chaos and we're the only ones doing it right
00:56:13.520That's, you know, there are a lot of traditionalist families that do these same things that we're doing, but it would be, but it's, so it's good to have that feedback among the adults on shared social space, the interwebs or whatever, you know, to get that sort of encouragement and good feedback that, yes, you know, we are doing it the correct way.
00:56:39.440Um, the other thing, um, because we AFA members are spread so thin right now, um, you know, it is absolutely okay to, to, to get that network through other traditionalist type groups.
00:57:01.700you know you meet some dads at the gun club or you meet some moms at girl scouts and you do those
00:57:10.340sorts of things and you can meet parents who have the same traditionalist values that we do
00:57:19.080and their kids will be good kids and their kids will be raised in a respectful raised right that's
00:57:26.060That's how we say it in South and raised right.
00:57:29.500And, you know, and they will be good kids and be good company for your kids and help buffer that chaotic normie world of NPCs out there.
01:00:12.040We can appreciate the differences between black and white folks.
01:00:16.400We can perhaps live together in peace.
01:00:19.340I wouldn't approach black Christian leaders with any desire to try and cooperate.
01:00:24.000But I wonder if any Alcetru leaders might be willing to build bridges with black nationalists in the spirit of reconciliation and cooperation.
01:00:33.740One reason I haven't fully committed to Alcetru is because I'm not sure if it leads to peace or war.
01:00:40.400i am a man of peace although i do recognize that there is a time for war as well
01:00:45.200anyhow i'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this now it's a big question there's a lot
01:00:51.840there to unpack there are some things that are
01:00:56.000are incongruent with our stance, and there are some things that are good points to think
01:01:09.940about in that. Alan, what is your reaction to that in whole or in part?
01:01:16.840Well, I will, you know, I understand the tenor of the question, and it certainly has been discussed that those who recognize distinction,
01:01:38.600and that's the way i'd like to you know those who recognize the distinction among peoples
01:01:44.440can have a can have a more comfortable conversation um because we don't suffer
01:01:52.860from the mythology that everybody's the same okay that there are differences between and among
01:02:01.440peoples um and that's okay you know they're um east what was it one of the keats poems you know
01:02:11.960east is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet um no nick's looking that up already
01:02:19.520But the, you know, we have our, and I just want to get to a point, and this is one of the reasons why I try to encourage us to group together.
01:02:35.900I want to get to a point where I don't have to think about, I don't care what other people think or how they act.
01:02:41.980You know, we have a unique approach to civilization. What it means to have a happy, healthy child in a Western civilizational context has a particular meaning, and that's the way that we were shaped for hundreds of thousands of years.
01:03:06.400and it is valid and worthy of protection those who have been shaped by a different culture i'm
01:03:13.120sure they feel the exact same way and as they rightly should that their culture also is valid
01:03:19.440and worthy of protection um where these lines start to blend and cross
01:03:26.960the type of equality and egalitarianism that we see that's being foisted on us by
01:03:36.860the Frankfurt School, I mean, by modern culture,
01:03:42.320only can meet down at the lowest common denominator. And that is, you know, the devolution
01:03:50.600of, of all of our civilizations, um, where the lowest appetites are the things that we can agree
01:03:59.680on. And so that's what has been foisted to the front of the line. Um, modern music, I'm not going
01:04:07.340to do the air quotes, um, but you know, what passes for modern music and all, you know, is just
01:04:12.260And it's because it's all algorithmed out to our basest nature.
01:04:21.920And our approach to these sorts of things should be to rise above that.
01:04:28.360As Western man, we are burdened and blessed by the Faustian urge to rise above our circumstances.
01:04:40.760That's how we got electricity and refrigeration and internal combustion, all the blessings of modern civilization.
01:04:54.100And I do agree that we can agree to disagree that we can live adjacent but not adjoining, if that's the right way to phrase that.
01:05:10.000And I think I'm getting at sort of the gist of the question.
01:05:14.560So, Yar, and this is kind of the, so I responded to the email privately and the tone of the question seems to make it like,
01:05:31.200if only we were nice and sweet talked the the blacks they wouldn't be so like literally the
01:05:39.160question posits genocidal towards us if only we could teach them that no it was the Christian
01:05:45.040whites that enslaved you guys not not also true whites I think that
01:05:51.800starting position in relations is a non-starter and I think it goes to the bigger thing you don't
01:06:04.100want to treat with other people or other groups of people out of weakness but also what's in the
01:06:13.180question inherently that I like is treating with other people both from a position of strength
01:06:20.040I think that whatever we think the ideal situation is, we live certainly here in the United States in a very multicultural society with all different races of people intermixed into our communities in a variety of ways.
01:06:38.460Some of us want that. Some of us do not want that. Some of the folks on other groups of people also might not want that to be the case. But here we are.
01:06:50.040We interact with each other in a variety of ways under a variety of different circumstances,
01:06:58.800but historically, we interact with one another under the terms of universalist faiths that
01:07:10.140deny our individuality that's blatantly obvious to all of us, but we have to pretend it's not,
01:07:18.260And one side is the victim and the other side is the inflictor of oppression, or that's
01:07:28.260And it fundamentally pits us in a conflict that isn't doesn't have to be necessary.
01:07:34.820What I'm reminded of and if you read the tone of that question, yes, it sounds very lovey
01:07:41.980w or soft or whatever but the immediate thing that came to mind was commander rockwell meeting
01:07:49.500going with other members of the american nazi party to go meet with and attend a nation of
01:07:56.540islam sermon by malcolm x in 1961. two folks that you would think would be extreme enemies
01:08:05.580but they could come together with a certain amount of mutual respect because they both
01:08:10.620were very proud of their people and both had similar values expressed in different cultures
01:08:21.860towards their own versus their own interaction with the rest of the world. And both of them came
01:08:29.400from positions of strength. It wasn't, you know, any, I don't know, historical disavowing of
01:08:37.380ancestors or anything else so i do think that having pride in ourselves and our race and our
01:08:47.460folk is the best place to be to have productive relationships with any other group of people we
01:08:57.860interact with and i would say the same for other races of people certainly it's up to them how
01:09:04.500they want to present themselves i would much rather a proud unabashed racially proud white man
01:09:13.780and his black counterpart and his chinese counterpart and his aztec counterpart be
01:09:21.780able to have respect for one another and pride in their own individual cultures
01:09:26.980than this unnatural pretending we're all the same everybody's you know boohooing about them being
01:09:35.780victimized stuff i think that the strong position is a much safer and more peaceful position than
01:09:46.260the weak position which is kind of an interesting thing the more i mulled this over he talks at the
01:09:51.140end about he's concerned about being also true because he doesn't know whether it leads to war
01:09:56.580or it leads to peace and you know the best way to achieve peace is to be prepared for war
01:10:03.460the best way to maintain the peace is by strong people knowing that there are lines that you don't
01:10:11.860cross having respect for that and that being a mutual respect of strong people because when you
01:10:18.660have weak people that react out of weakness, that's when you have violence, that's when you
01:10:23.620have pettiness, that's when you have like ugliness. You don't have that nearly as much with two strong
01:10:32.980individuals or two strong groups that both are able to have pride in themselves. And I think
01:10:38.820that's the meat and taters of the question and where I think it's valuable for us to consider.
01:10:45.380And I agree with that for the most part. Not the best example, maybe, but at the same time, I think we should disabuse this questioner of any naivete about the history of our people.
01:11:10.400um yes you know i guess we should you know maybe we should remind everyone i know the vast majority
01:11:21.460of our listening audience already knows this but like slavery didn't start in 1619 right
01:11:27.540um if you want to read if you want to know about the true horrors of the slave trade
01:11:36.260read about the Muslim slave trade. The current Muslim slave trade.
01:11:42.660Right. Right. That's what I mean. The millions of whites that they kidnapped from Europe and
01:11:51.220took into Muslim lands. And sometimes the Vikings were helping them do it. I mean, you know,
01:12:00.020it brought in big sacks of silver, so they would go in and capture some Irish and sell them.
01:12:06.260So, you know, we shouldn't pretend even to win one more follower.
01:12:14.780We shouldn't pretend that somehow our, like the hammer of Thor wasn't out there taking slaves, because we did.
01:12:26.840The Vikings themselves had slaves from other white cultures that they captured in war.
01:12:32.820That was part of a big, that was part of the big bounty of war is, you know, and that's, and that's one of the reasons why people fought so hard to keep from being overwhelmed is because they knew like the men would be taken into slavery and the women would be taken into concubines, right?
01:12:50.080So, I mean, when you know that's what's coming, you know, that motivates your battle courage throughout history.
01:13:24.300You know, they talk about like even the Eskimos
01:13:29.480But as thinly populated as that part of the world is, they have blood grudges that go back decades, and they will kill each other over, you know, you came and took my walrus tooth or whatever.
01:19:09.100As you're saying that, I'm thinking peace, yes, but at what cost?
01:19:14.600Yeah, peace is awesome, but it's not the only thing that's important.
01:19:22.180And I think that we get. Everything doesn't need to be expressed in the most extreme terms, and we very often are there as if war just happens just because or peace just happens just because and it doesn't.
01:19:41.540There's a lot of factors that are very legitimate in conflict between peoples and groups of people.
01:19:49.220And there are various solutions that are peaceful and respectful to both sides.
01:19:54.300There are various solutions that are not.
01:19:56.840And different times call for different ways to address situations.
01:20:03.140But that was that man's question, and I hope it made sense.
01:20:07.140i do think that you know and to to extend more on the the black nationalist thing
01:20:15.860there was a time where the thought was let's take care of our own let's protect our own and
01:20:24.740let's elevate our people to something better and something higher that is a really noble thing for
01:20:31.460all groups of people to try to do for their people and as a point of kind of to put a bookend on it
01:20:38.340it's been nice when we have the blue-haired college-educated liberal karens of the world
01:20:49.860complaining about how terrible we are people that have come out in support of us have been
01:20:55.300a number of members of the nation of islam to say like hey you guys trying to look out for your
01:21:01.060people and and take care of your own that's i respect that assalamu alaikum i appreciate that
01:21:06.900thank you um so yeah i do think that there's something there just maybe not in the way that the
01:21:14.180the questioner envisioned uh next question hey there when talking to some people about the lore
01:21:21.060they sometimes like to point to stories where the isir mixed and reproduced with the vanir
01:21:32.040and the jotuns as examples to try to prove that race mixing is approved by the gods
01:21:39.100there's also some saga about an individual named uh germund uh hellskin who evidently had dark
01:21:50.420had dark skin and is seen as a mixed race individual who is spoken well of what would
01:21:56.720the afa say about these claims regarding mixing thank you and much love to the afa um yeah the uh
01:22:05.600sorry the the guy's name is germund uh heliarskin and he was a
01:22:16.740Norwegian prince that married a Sammy, I think.
01:22:25.340So, Alan, what are your thoughts on that question?
01:22:37.220I think, like, at least, first of all, I'm having to look up who,
01:22:44.560and he has a wikipedia page i have my don't reveal i see you're giving the you're giving
01:22:52.120the magic tricks away i'd never heard of this guy either i had to google it i just kept it off screen
01:22:56.880um you know i i think that um to the the thing between the acer and the van here
01:23:08.060First of all, they were closely compatible, you know, as was shown by the fact that, you know, they came to war, but, you know, were evenly matched.
01:23:20.960I, you know, so I don't think that that sort of thing is about race mixing so much as it is the intertribal warfare that you might see, like between the Ostrogoths and the Goss and Ostrogoths.
01:23:48.220I mean, those were two different peoples too. I think the problem writ large in the lore is the example that is often spoken of by our more, you know, by those who want to use the example of Loki as a, you know, that he was blood brother to the gods and all that,
01:24:17.380which I don't think is attested to correctly in the lore, you know, I think there's a different
01:24:21.520way to interpret all that stuff, but, you know, how did that turn out? That's the question.
01:24:26.880You know, yes, Odin brought Loki in, the son of giants, which were, you know, probably of some
01:24:37.040different, slightly different composition, and that turned out very poorly for the gods.
01:24:45.060The other thing to say, and you're the lore guy, right?
01:24:49.380So I don't want to step all over your stuff.
01:24:52.160But to me, I don't think of the way that the giants and all that sort of stuff, that's not literal happening.
01:25:07.680That's a mythological understanding of the world.
01:25:10.100What exactly that is has a lot less bearing for me than being able to come up to Phrasehoff for the inaugural ceremony here, pretty same.
01:25:27.260So there's, first, before we do any of that, got a comment over in the comment section from Jay Russ.
01:25:36.480not a member don't agree with focusness still donate cash because i approve of how the afa
01:25:43.120puts our gods first thank you very much for that very much appreciated i'm glad you're here i'm
01:25:49.520glad you're listening and i appreciate your contribution um to the to the point
01:25:59.520so the sagas are historical accounts of things that happen
01:26:06.640yeah the saga yes sometimes we get pieces out of them that that do reflect values but
01:26:14.880some guy mated with a sami back in early medieval norway isn't indicative of that is
01:26:24.400you know celebrated by the you know religious elites of alsatru at all
01:26:30.400it stuff things happen the sagas talk about murders and kinslaying that happens and any
01:26:38.160number of bad things that happen are illustrated in there too they weren't necessarily written for
01:26:43.840moral purposes as much as documenting events that occurred you can talk about how characters are
01:26:50.000treated in them to express attitudes at the time but to show man in in in reading all of the saga
01:26:58.000material i found one instance of one guy that went and got it on with the sami so clearly
01:27:05.760you know the tenth no all the rest of this attitude is wrong yeah the tenth noble virtue
01:27:11.600should clearly be miscegenation that's not that's not reasonable it doesn't make any kind of logic
01:27:18.000sense logic or sense it's also important to realize the world that our ancestors lived in
01:27:26.640and the differences between things um until relatively recently in the progress of humanity
01:27:40.240there was a real clear understanding of mankind equals white folks and everybody else we know
01:27:50.800they exist but it's not really the same thing we're talking about and it's you can read that
01:27:55.600up into the declaration of independence and you know the the constitution and the writing of the
01:28:01.680founding fathers they were very egalitarian amongst white people but when you talk you know
01:28:11.200we believe that that all men are created equal and thomas jefferson was a genius by all accounts
01:28:20.160a very lettered man someone who spoke fluent uh french greek latin i believe and english
01:28:29.840and was literate in german like a top-notch mind it wasn't lost on him the incongruent
01:28:38.240the seeming incongruence of he was a slave owner and he wrote that all men are created equal
01:28:44.720clearly he didn't think that meant that um American Indians or blacks were the same and
01:28:54.720equal to whites he meant kind of that all white people were created equal and then the rest is a
01:29:00.920little bit nuanced there's a understanding of same and different that transcends we read when
01:29:10.340us fawn and i go through saga material they talk about the race of the um you know hundings or the
01:29:18.260race of the uh the burgundians or the race of the goths as if they're different things
01:29:28.180they're talking about ethnic differences between germanic tribes and european peoples
01:29:34.500they talk really differently the few times we see them encounter other races of people in the term
01:29:42.740that we would understand the word race to mean today when they encountered American Indians
01:29:48.580they talked about scraylings and their description wasn't like oh these are just like the Irish or
01:29:56.420the you know the french no they were a very different thing and i think that's the obvious
01:30:04.500assumption and the obvious thing that's conveyed by any fair historical treatment
01:30:10.660the sagas and the lore are thick with in-group preference yes people that are similar to you are
01:30:20.420much more important to you than people that are not similar to you yes us we need to be very
01:30:28.900respectful of us and them less so and them exp it extends out to various circles until you're
01:30:37.940very far away from what us is and you're absolutely right yeah um and if you read
01:31:17.300even among those tribal peoples there's also the and something even better documented in you know
01:31:24.020is the um the way that the native americans that's not the right word the indian tribes
01:31:33.220that were here on north america when um when we discovered the continent
01:31:39.220um you know the name that they typically had for themselves just meant human beings like
01:31:48.100Cherokee each tribe you know we are the people and those other people on the other side of the
01:31:56.140hill over there they're not people they're the non-people and so these sharp lines of division
01:32:04.600have always existed between and among people and it's only if it was cool why will you remark on
01:32:13.160hell skin like that's the thing if it was cool we wouldn't have strange terms for mulatto bob over
01:32:24.900there it wouldn't be remarkable the fact that it's remarkable means that that was not ordinary
01:32:31.480and that was a odd thing and it could you know i mean and it could you know his skin could be two
01:32:38.800shades darker than the other you know he could be ecru instead of parchment and they would have
01:32:46.680thought of him as dark skin you know so it's the so what exactly that means yeah you know it's
01:32:55.400we have a lot of we have people that try to reinvent history in a very disingenuous way
01:33:03.320you can think that all of a sudden you and your cult of social justice wokeness you guys are the
01:33:09.160only ones who have ever known the right way to do things and you discovered it
01:33:12.920in 2015 and everybody else has been confused if that's what you believe then have the
01:33:20.360intellectual courage to stand on that don't co-op the rest of western civilization to pretend that
01:33:27.320was always the case because it wasn't um and there's nothing more that says that the other
01:33:32.760thing i'll say a little bit about the lore and the icr versus the vanir or the or the yotan yotnar um
01:33:40.600similar to what Alan was saying that's not about like different races of people that is about
01:33:56.440cosmic and fundamental gods that exist in a way that we can't fully comprehend so we describe
01:34:06.880them in terms that make sense like tribes of of people because they were different groupings of
01:34:15.760great celestial cosmic god forces interacting there was cosmic order and natural law
01:34:26.880gods interacting with one another in a way and there were primal
01:34:31.360beings of metaphysical existence with the yotnar some inclined to destruction and chaos others
01:34:40.840unconscious others just kind of neutral in things talking about bigger cosmic forces
01:34:50.360in an overly personified way is a way that's still useful for us today to wrap our human heads
01:35:00.260around things that exist in a much bigger way than we fully can comprehend. And so we draw
01:35:07.860pictures on what we're used to. It's important to remember that our ancestors didn't live in a world
01:35:13.760where they encountered any of these other people. It was very rare that somebody would travel
01:35:20.420far enough to where they see a different race of person. You saw some different varieties of white
01:35:29.540people you saw probably your entire life you only saw nordic people but maybe you saw an irish slave
01:35:38.500maybe you went raiding or trading and you saw a frenchman or a pole or a german but these people
01:35:47.540weren't regularly encountering a chinaman or a sub-saharan african that wasn't part of their
01:35:55.380experience and it had no relationship to how they conceptualized their lore it just wasn't a part
01:36:03.140of what they dealt with and i think that any fair looking at history the in-group preference there
01:36:11.540is the norm and a very very easily under understandable thing so i don't think that's
01:36:16.100a hard one and i don't think the one asking the question thought it was i think he was just you
01:36:20.180know wanted our reaction to it um next up
01:36:30.020greetings all's here you go with you matt law speaker alan and folk builder nick what is the
01:36:36.420faustian bargain and how is it related to our people i've heard it used occasionally thank
01:36:43.220Thank you for all you do. You're welcome. Alan, do you want to explain the concept of the Faustian
01:36:51.020bargain? Sure. Sure. I'll take a stab at it since I was the one who brought it into the conversation.
01:36:57.600We are restless. That's the Faustian bargain, as I understand it.
01:37:03.800You know, we we are a restless people, right? That's why we go out and conquer and explore.
01:37:09.580And, you know, we always want to know what's right, what's over the next horizon. We're not settled. We are restless. And I think it's referred to, again, my understanding, I think it's referred to as the Faustian bargain because in some ways it's a good thing, right?
01:37:30.560We, because we, because of our restlessness, we found our way to North America and all of its bounty and its island continental protectorate that, that has been such a boon to all of the American peoples.
01:37:51.260And it's taught us, you know, I mean, we've dug into how things work.
01:37:56.940You know, that's how we discovered electricity and all, you know, for all the good and ill that it has brought.
01:38:07.740The downside of that is that we are, you know, is that very same restlessness brings about that thing where, you know, we leave our family, right?
01:38:20.660Like, OK, Pop, you're staying here. I'm going to go west. And then his kids will go west. And, you know, we have to explore. And so we separate our families and do those things because we are always, often, we have the urge to make more, make better, make, expand and strengthen ourselves individually and our civilization.
01:38:50.660at the cost of that idea of being settled and peaceful and being in that place where, you know,
01:39:01.820like generations of Flavels can just kind of grow around us because we are all just sitting in the
01:39:08.380same place, being in the same spot. And that's the downside of that bargain. Yes, it has given us
01:39:14.940great increase in wealth and uh empire um but at the cost of being always unsettled in our
01:39:28.620familial and intertribal relations so yeah i want to expand on that i
01:39:36.940like it and don't like it and it's something that cliff and i've talked about recently
01:39:41.340conceptually I like it the term takes on unnecessary baggage so um
01:55:11.680You can adjust on the fly, and you can learn as you go.
01:55:14.420but make sure you're actively engaged and you're doing the best that you know how to with the
01:55:21.160information available to you and you can do this um so the question is how do we raise our kids
01:55:29.660with white positive values in an anti-white world we don't want to shelter them too much
01:55:36.060but we don't want them to be swayed by the masses either alan what do you say to that
01:55:41.940If I was doing it now and had cooperation, you know, first of all, I would start with raising, you know, with homeschooling the kids, you know, using the All's True Academy screen.
01:56:01.280Um, uh, I would get, there you go. Um, I would, uh, make sure that you, like all your textbooks were written before 1964. Um, because that's when all the important stuff happened anyway.
01:56:23.280Um, and, you know, I think it's important if your kids are now at homeschooling, it's not possible for everybody.
01:56:40.500Um, so if your kids are in government school, as so many of them are, and this is what I did.
01:56:50.460First of all, I read to my kids a lot. I read lots of classical books to my kids. So they were exposed to, you know, the to real literature.
01:57:04.520um and also i think it's important to talk to kids especially that um you know the young
01:57:14.760tweens maybe where they start to start getting a sense of history and those you know a vector
01:57:22.440of history you know what did you guys talk about in history today you know look at their history
01:57:28.200book um and when they're i mean i'm not you know i know it takes an extra 15 minutes out of your day
01:57:36.040to um interact with your child but that's the important stuff so that you can put the right gloss
01:57:42.440on the historical events that led us to where we are so
01:57:50.920So I would say first, so this is, I guess, self-serving, or of course I'm going to say
01:58:11.820this but the reason for that is the holistic nature of our faith and doing also true right
01:58:25.900yes because i'm all in on the afa and i'm all in on the afa because it's the right thing to
01:58:30.700do in the right place to be so yes i would encourage you as a first step
01:58:35.660up raise them in the house of true folk assembly raise them from day one
01:58:47.020in trough with the ice ear to where our gods are involved in your parenting in your
01:58:54.860relationship in your marriage and in your raising of your children from the very outset
01:59:01.340build the best you can a home for them physically but importantly like mentally and spiritually
01:59:13.540of a home base to approach the world on that's built around our folk our faith our gods our
01:59:23.600community and our values to where that's what their norm is and when they go out into the world
01:59:29.720they can come back to something that's a place of the world as it should be do that because I think
01:59:37.960that matters and I think it resonates and I think that when people venture far from that
01:59:42.460they're able to have those touchstones mentally and emotionally to connect back to things as
01:59:49.440they should be and to pass those things on to their children try to facilitate them building
01:59:58.420friendships with other children who are in the AFA. Encourage that and help those relationships
02:00:06.580grow. If you're able to live in a place where there's other AFA members, do that. If you want
02:00:14.640to do that, come do that with me in Jackson County, Tennessee. I'd love to be part of helping
02:00:20.060you do that. But if not, wherever you find yourself, try to do that. The other thing that
02:00:26.660would say that's really big is um the astro academy i'm so proud that that's a thing it is
02:00:36.900legitimate in unaltered it's legitimate and i believe 46 states with a little bit of tweaking
02:00:46.340that i believe our staff is now able to help you do it is um effective in all 50 and i'm told in
02:00:53.700some canadian provinces so our international audience i can't do the best i can for you but
02:00:59.780i don't have all the answers on that because rules differ certain places um but yeah homeschool your
02:01:06.740kids if you're able understand everybody's not able and do the best you can some of you not able
02:01:13.540we could still get you children's religious materials and lessons it's a very good point
02:01:20.340so you don't have to be all in you can do something different and still have the benefit
02:01:25.220of the religious teachings and other stuff in the astro academy we rely heavily on the um
02:01:31.300the waldorf curriculum waldorf method is something that is aligns well with our values was built for
02:01:42.580our people and our needs in a really natural way again there's a lot of right ways to do it
02:01:49.540that's one that we happen to like and encourage in that
02:01:55.460but again if you're able to do that um something else that i i'd say
02:02:11.620be the person you either want your kid to become or that you want your kid to marry and build a
02:02:18.180life with like that crosses both genders on on whatever be that person of the example of the
02:02:27.460best aryan man or the best aryan woman so your kids have something to shoot for and see it
02:02:36.180displayed in a real way and i don't mean tell them about it of course you'll tell them about it
02:02:40.660But example is so important because example cuts through all of the barriers we have with intellectualism and argumenting or argumentation and all those things when they feel a certain way because of what they see you do or how they interact with you.
02:03:02.160that matters in a way that that circumvents argument or resistance and gets internalized
02:03:12.860and imprinted be the example you don't need to be perfect none of us are perfect
02:03:18.680but be a good person and somebody likable don't become the bad guy don't fall into the trap of
02:03:28.340becoming the, you know, evil mean spirited person that the
02:03:35.480forces of chaos would portray us don't do that. Because that
02:03:40.700encourages them to rebel and like go the opposite direction.
02:03:44.900And that is not not what you want to do. The more they can
02:03:50.040have good example in their life. I think the better equipped they
02:03:54.020And the more they have people and a home of people that care about them in like a nuclear sense, but also in a community sense, I think that positions them really well. And I encourage you to try to work on all of those steps. And if you're in the AFA, we have a lot of people that are trying to do those exact things at the same time. And as best I can, I want to facilitate those people doing those things together.
02:06:37.840where do you get that hammer that's the nicest skein hammer i've seen this hammer um this when
02:06:49.600i first found also true um back in the fine i'll in 2005 when i found my way uh home to the folk
02:07:01.240One of the very first places I went was the Austertru Alliance, and so this hammer was bought through their store and blessed by Valgaard Murray at my request.
02:07:16.140um and then i bought the chain had a jeweler a local jeweler here i fixed the chain through the
02:07:26.180thing but this is they they called it the big swede because it is a um
02:07:34.180a historic replica it you know it was um based on a find somewhere in sweden that they uh they
02:07:45.780mocked up this hammer from and yes it is a and i and thank you for that compliment it is
02:07:52.740a beautiful piece and one that i wear literally all the time
02:07:57.060so i apologize for my anglicized mispronunciation of uh that province state of uh of uh sweden
02:08:10.900skin i think is how you pronounce it in svenska i'm not sure looks like skein
02:08:18.340but i don't think it's pronounced that way um what's up next
02:08:24.500Matt and Alan my 11 year old in boy scouts is being bullied uh in in quotation marks or in
02:08:42.500parentheses rather covert mild striking and threats to kill him by a 15 year old uh patrol
02:08:50.180leader, it's being excused as boys being boys, I disagree. When would you draw the line between
02:08:57.500boys being boys and taking it as a violation and abuse of the patrol leader's power? Help
02:09:04.200a mom out here. Alan, what say you? Well, that's certainly a couple of things. Boys
02:09:16.520will be boys. Good night, Aubrey. But, you know, there's a, you know, there's a line
02:09:28.460that obviously is being crossed. First, I would, I assume that you're documenting this
02:09:35.320through, you know, through the hierarchy of the pack, like with the, I forget now what
02:09:44.400the upper levels of, you know, but I'm just like the PAC leaders, you know, the parents who are
02:09:50.740in charge of this troop are hopefully being made aware that that's going on, number one. And then
02:09:57.420I'll tell you like two stories that make me very proud as a parent.
02:10:04.260um my oldest son was being bullied by an older boy um in elementary school and i and i just i
02:10:15.860picked it up because like i you know i could just tell from his vibe he didn't want to go to school
02:10:19.940he wasn't the happy bright like yay i'm going to school didn't take very long asked him what's
02:10:27.860going on he said this kid's bullying me um i said next time he does it knock him down
02:10:34.300and so like the kid got in his face that day and um my boy grabbed him by the chest swept his legs
02:10:46.960out from under him landed on top of him and said leave me alone and the kid never bothered him
02:10:52.500again and you know that's one of those pivotal moments i think and you know because i let i gave
02:10:58.660him permission to stand up for himself um it happened again later um and again it was a it's
02:11:05.620odd it was a similar age difference we were having a party at the house and the kids were playing
02:11:10.480basketball and all of a sudden i mean there's melee on the basketball court and pressing to
02:11:19.640took a swing at this kid, and so the other kid gets on top of him, much older.
02:11:27.340Again, I think the ages were not – if it wasn't 11, 15, it was very close to that.
02:11:32.880It was 12 and 16 or 10 and 13, whatever.
02:11:36.000But the other kid was older, bigger, and – but before he could – I pulled him apart,
02:11:44.000and my boy told me he was calling me names i was blocking his shots i was you know i was
02:11:53.520um inner you know i was playing well and the kid didn't like it was calling names so
02:12:00.040my boy took him down and like he said punched him i'm like good you know that's he had it coming
02:12:07.140And then I, having had three or four beers myself, I gave his, his, I gave that kid's father a good tongue lashing too.
02:12:18.860So as long as the stuff is being reported up the chain, I mean, I would have no qualms saying like the next time that 15 year old thumps your kid's ear or whatever,
02:12:32.760I'd turn around and smack him right in the button, right here,
02:12:37.500right in the sternum, and just knock his wind out.
02:12:40.580I mean, you don't want to go for the face,
02:12:41.900and it's unfair to go for the cods, but otherwise, the kid's got to come out.
02:17:05.580there you go that's that's a we're worldwide but nationalists okay and even and even lists off all
02:17:14.940of the hops where they are and they were when they were acquired among other things
02:17:22.140Alan are you aware of recent changes to the afa's wikipedia page i'm not and i and i i'm boycotting
02:17:32.140the um afa's wikipedia page because because like two times ago when i looked at it it had a
02:17:40.300discussion about um the time when uh me and you and pat hall stepped into uh the breach and picked
02:17:51.340up the leadership mantle of the afa and then then several months later i looked at it again
02:17:57.660and that part was gone so now i'm off the wikipedia page so what do i have to look at
02:18:05.580yeah the wikipedia has been kind of funny for a long time it was as if
02:18:14.220steve did stuff and then he passed the torch in 2016 and then nothing's happened
02:18:21.340And that's insulting and ridiculous. Lots of really cool things happen. And it sounds like
02:18:27.660that is reflected at least in some way. And that was kind of my standard on Wikipedia.
02:18:34.220No part of me has ever thought Wikipedia is going to be fair or going to be, and I think this is the
02:18:41.120fair assessment, glowingly celebrating the AstroFolk assembly. But it was like intentionally,
02:18:48.220Normally, I had hoped that even with a negative slant, it would at least factually mention important things that happened, like the questioner or the guy who brought it to our attention mentioned, like, hey, it got this Hoff this time, it did this cool thing, it's doing this other thing, it has these food pantries at every one of our Hoffs.
02:19:11.880I was hoping that even if the tone was begrudging or negative, they would at least factually
02:19:21.260mention the data points of interesting things.
02:21:24.060I think girls respond more to deprivation type parenting or, you know, punishment.
02:21:34.860We certainly did a lot of time outs with our kids, you know, for, you know, one minute per year.
02:21:41.700So for like a four year old, having to stand in the corner for four minutes is an eternity and is enough to curb most of the errant behaviors.
02:21:54.060So one of the things that I think with, again, with discipline, one of the things that we found worked really well is to state expectations, right?
02:26:13.540And there's, you know, I can think of, I think of twice that I've spanked Aubrey.
02:26:19.160It was not like savage spanking, but it was one time we were downtown, and she started running amok amongst the street and cars and stuff, and I hollered for her to stop, and she didn't listen, and I was very stern on it.
02:26:40.640so no i got her and i gave her a swat and i said hey no you listen this is for your safety there's
02:26:46.520cars here you can get run over you do what i tell you when we're out here because it was important
02:26:52.020and she didn't know it was important the other one was you know something and i'm like hey if
02:26:58.140you say that again i'm gonna give you a spanking and she made the point of like turning around and
02:27:03.000looking and saying it again and walking off. Yeah, I got up and I swatted her and she gets it now.
02:27:10.860I'm not going to say I'm going to do something and then not, then that's the thing. There's probably
02:27:17.120a lot of right ways to do it, but don't paint yourself in a corner. Don't draw lines that you
02:27:24.220don't intend to enforce. Don't say you're going to do things. And sometimes this is a discrepancy
02:27:32.460against mothers and fathers like different ones of them are better or not at this and sometimes
02:27:39.900that probably depends on the gender of the kid um but yeah don't tell them if you do this i will do
02:27:48.620why if you do x then i will do y and then not do y it's really important and you don't you're in
02:27:54.380control when you make that that uh threat or that promise or whatever you want to phrase it as
02:28:00.380then just don't say it if you don't want to enforce it it's like you know it's like when
02:28:07.660people are writing a movie or something else if it doesn't make sense and you can't do it right
02:28:14.380and it's work of fiction and you wrote it then just don't write yourself in a corner come up
02:28:18.380with something else if you're in control of the situation you can figure out where to do that or
02:28:24.780not but them knowing that you mean what you say and you say what you mean and that you follow
02:28:29.100through with what you say is really important um the magic of counting i don't understand why it
02:28:36.220works but it does it's really frustrating i feel like that children should just do what the parents
02:28:43.740tell them sometimes and there wouldn't be a problem i mean just don't like simple things
02:28:50.620hey aubrey stop playing put on your clothes aubrey we're not playing we're getting dressed
02:28:56.220get dressed get drunk folk get one two i can't get to three before she's like
02:29:05.020on task zoned in and it hasn't been accompanied by me adding any kind of threat or any kind of
02:29:12.620anything to that but the idea of counting to something magically seems to motivate that i
02:29:20.220I don't know why it works, but it does.
02:29:23.100It shouldn't have to be like it, but it do.
02:30:05.580No, you know, from the older kids in school.
02:30:08.640Um, you know, probably, you know, the honest answer to the question is, you know, probably around 12, you know, I mean, if I had to put a, put a thumbnail on it, that would probably be, you know, like right before puberty.
02:30:33.480um just because you know you want like before the hormones take over and make them all crazy
02:30:44.080apparently that never subsides but um before the hormones set in you know at least
02:30:52.580let them get a framework established for what's coming because the talk you know is not
02:30:59.440just about their own sex and procreation.
02:31:06.280It's also about being, you know, probably maybe especially for girls,
02:31:11.240but, you know, to be able to rationally defend themselves
02:31:16.240against inappropriate behavior from other kids directed toward them
02:31:23.620or inappropriate behavior they made to direct at other kids.
02:31:28.740I mean, you know, you got to so you got to give them a framework for understanding all that stuff so that it's not tick tock and whatever the rest of the crap is that's out there.
02:31:40.000Yeah, I think that's an interesting one.
02:31:41.960I don't know everybody else's experience, but I never had the talk like there was never a formal like, all right, let's sit you down and tell you what goes where and stuff.
02:31:57.280i was able to kind of figure that out through regular interaction and you know the older kids
02:32:06.160in school that's the way that's the way kids in school the older kids in the neighborhood just
02:32:10.480like things you catch stuff on tv when you're you know not supposed to be paying attention
02:32:15.840or you just kind of become aware of stuff gradually over time in a more contextualized way um
02:32:23.200I think that there's and I think that that's interesting that you brought up because I think
02:32:32.300that's important there's like don't let people touch you in certain spots talk that's probably
02:32:40.180real different than this is how babies get made talk and I know the other talk is really important
02:32:48.100for them to understand young and i think that's a little bit different question i remember in
02:32:55.380elementary school we would frequently have to watch like and it was kind of paired or at least
02:33:05.300in my recollection it was paired with the school bus safety videos but there was like
02:33:11.220don't get run over by the school bus but also don't let people touch you
02:33:19.300in ways that you don't like talk and it was but it was always strange there was
02:33:28.260a one we had to watch where it was like dinosaurs like stepping on a cat's tail a bunch and like
02:33:35.540don't do that i don't like that or something it was some kind of a strange cartoon that really
02:33:42.820didn't make any sense and then there was different ones you know as we got older but
02:33:51.060that one is a is an odd one so alan as a as a i guess response
02:33:57.700how would you address the why you don't go run around naked in public and how you avoid
02:34:09.100perverts that might have bad intention for you kind of talk
02:34:13.420sorry my battery was running low I forgot to plug this in
02:34:20.640Um, I think that, you know, that may even be a talk that needs to happen with younger kids, maybe even just not too long after they start school.
02:34:35.660Um, you know, looking back, I'm not sure that we ever had that discussion with our kids exactly.
02:34:45.300mostly because my kids were pretty defensive as it was about stuff and there's and even then
02:34:52.820you know there's a balance right i i think the although i jokingly said it earlier you know
02:34:59.160about stranger danger i think that is grossly overstated now um
02:35:05.700but you know you just you know you certainly want to
02:35:41.100range but like if so that you can like so that you can know that if something like that ever
02:35:49.000started to happen that they would tell you and i think that's the important aspect of parenting
02:35:54.500overall because you can't plan for and anticipate the stuff that's gonna go wacky you know you just
02:36:06.600have to be kind of open and, and flow with the circumstances. Um, but if your kids know that you
02:36:17.580have their back and that you're going to stand up for them and do what's right for them and do
02:36:24.100what's right by them, then they will tell you if, you know, if, if somebody's bullying them or
02:36:30.020If somebody's, you know, leering at them in the bus or whatever, you know, if they will tell you, and most of the time I think our kids will, then you don't have to be so hypervigilant about all the minutia.
02:36:53.180Because, yes, there are 100,000 things that can go wrong, but only one or four are going to manifest, and it's going to be the one that you're not looking for.
02:37:06.300So you just be open to communication from your child, watch his mood, be engaged and mindful in your interactions with them, and you'll be able to pick up on it, just like I picked up on my son's thing about school.
02:37:23.180all right guys well alan thank you for joining me this evening and talking to us all about
02:37:32.040parenting with your you know vast experience at it that is certainly beneficial to hear
02:37:38.660and to learn from and it's a really good topic tonight um everybody be excited we got phrase
02:37:47.200off in uh austintown uh ohio look behold it's amazing uh hail fray and
02:37:58.640absolutely so be excited about that because it's really cool and i'm happy to share it
02:38:02.960and i'm super proud of it and uh so that's the thing also
02:38:08.080have kids have white babies um if you have six or eight one of them's sure to turn out there you go
02:38:22.160have an abundance of them and have them with somebody that you plan on
02:38:26.800raising them with because that is problematic if you don't
02:38:30.880um do that and help each other and realize that you have an entire community here in the house
02:38:41.760true folk assembly that is very invested in helping you to be the best parent you can be
02:38:49.360and your children to get raised in the best way possible all of us would love to help any of the
02:38:55.040children in the afa any way we can and help any of the parents in the afa to be supported to be
02:39:03.200maximally successful um so yeah you're part of a community we're here for you and we're all
02:39:11.840very invested in the success of your family um and we need to be there for each other
02:39:17.920and before we leave we talked about phraseoff but there's still one more thing coming up in
02:39:23.840in a couple weeks that Witten Erickson's got to get done before he can dedicate that
02:39:27.480off. And you didn't talk about it today. I did not, because the other news
02:39:31.600kind of overshadowed it. But thank you for reminding us.