00:03:37.100If there's any ruckus on my end, I got my daughter hanging out with me and playing with some stickers.1.00
00:03:43.320So she might make a little bit of squawking.0.58
00:03:49.080Trying to think if there's updates this week.
00:03:51.140As always, wherever you find this program, if you are watching on Entropy, VK, Odyssey, Twitter, YouTube, or Rumble, we're happy to answer any and all of your questions on any of those platforms.
00:04:10.880If you want to participate in our super chats or if you want to throw some money our way, we always appreciate that.
00:04:18.640You can do that on Rumble and on Entropy. Coming up at, it's not quite October yet, but at the end of October, the very last weekend of October, we have Winter Nights. It's going to be held at Sigurheim this year for the first time. And we're very excited about that. We would love to have you all out to that if you're able to make it. So please reach out to your folk builder and find information on making that happen if you're interested.
00:04:46.280it. Also, before we get into the main topic of conversation tonight, what I'd like you to touch
00:04:54.200on briefly, if you could, those of you who may not know, Sarah is a very important part of our
00:05:00.080Alsa True Academy homeschool program. How is that looking this year? This is our first year
00:05:06.800managing multiple grades. How are things going? And what should the folks know?
00:05:12.080um it is going very well we had an incredible successful first year with the the kindergarten
00:05:21.300class we had a lot of positive feedback from the parents and it is an amazing program it is a
00:05:28.320complete curriculum you it is completely free to afa members and this year it covers kindergarten
00:05:37.540through third grade. We are currently at 31 students, and I just got another inquiry today.
00:05:45.960So hopefully that'll be going up, and we're incredibly proud of it. And not only do you
00:05:51.300get the amazing homeschool program based on Aussitrew for free, you also get an amazing
00:06:00.360support crew. We have Sheila McNallan, who used to teach. We have Gothi Rob Stamm, who
00:06:08.600is amazing. And we have Rachel Johnson, who is the most incredibly informed homeschool person
00:06:17.700I have ever met. And she can answer a multitude of questions and she can reassure you. And
00:06:24.880because it is a little overwhelming for the parents sometimes, and she helps you get organized,
00:06:30.840helps you deal with the laws in your state, and it is incredible. I can't say enough about this
00:06:38.260program. So if you have kids, you're thinking homeschooling, send an email to what Nick put
00:06:45.700on the screen. We are very, very proud of you guys and what you're doing, and it's one of those
00:06:51.980things that i don't think gets nearly as much attention and as much uh light shown on it as
00:06:57.740i'd like to show because it's something that we're you know it's it's strange when you compare it to
00:07:05.580the different things that we do i i don't know that it's more important than us getting hoffs
00:07:11.420but i think it's in the end going to be much more important than any single hoff we have certainly
00:07:17.440I think that the dividends, you know, of the homeschool program are going to be paying off in, you know, 10, 15, 20 years in a really, really big way.
00:07:26.400And I'm so excited for the work you guys are doing. You're doing amazing.
00:07:29.840One thing that I really want to emphasize about it that I think is so important, and Rachel's a big part of this.
00:07:39.500Our folks at the Astro Academy will hold your hand through the whole process.
00:07:44.660As a father who's going to homeschool his daughter through this, one of the things I've always been very reluctant or nervous about was, you know, hoping that I'm doing everything right to where it counts in the state that I'm in, to where it's compliant, to where I can handle all the things.
00:08:05.160It can be overwhelming, just the idea of it's overwhelming, but we've got good people who've been through this, who can hold your hand, help you get everything squared away and really be a partner in your homeschooling experience with your child.
00:08:18.020And that's what we're doing our very best to do. And we've got an amazing, amazing team working on that.
00:08:23.940We really do. And on MeWe, we have a parent support group for the academy. And what I've noticed this year is it's very active with parents supporting other parents.
00:08:34.380and that helps tremendously to know that other people in your area are going through the same
00:08:39.860thing and they can help you with planners and and you know help i need a lesson for this and
00:08:47.300this is what i did and it's just cool to see the parents interact
00:08:50.320and the really cool thing i'm sorry matt i really no no you're fine there's go ahead please but
00:08:58.480in minnesota we have enough members who have children in it that they're going to start doing
00:09:05.360field trips so the aussitrew academy is going to have home school field trips and i just
00:09:11.680this is amazing to me and i can't wait till every state is able to do something like this
00:09:17.200i mean this is this is the start the improvement uh since last year is tremendous
00:09:22.160just the experience gain, the fact that we've opened it up to three additional years of
00:09:28.700curriculum in that time. Those you may not know, we're doing K through third at present.
00:09:37.380We will at the very least have K through fourth next year. But as it stands now,
00:09:42.780if you've got kids K through third that you would like to homeschool, please reach out because
00:09:47.920it's so important and it's more important now than it's ever been.
00:09:52.160So if that's something that you're interested in doing, we would love to help you do that.
00:09:58.320Oh, and also like for next year, you know, the plan is K through four, but we are working very
00:10:04.180hard to make that K through six and at a preschool. I would, I would not be surprised if all of those
00:10:11.600things happen. They will happen. You guys have a track record of overperforming. So that's awesome.
00:10:18.200um no that's very proud of you guys that said
00:10:24.440we have so tonight and i should have prompted nick to be kind of prepared with a link for this
00:10:35.400i'm sure you guys can find it yourself though but uh one second sweetheart um our hero for this
00:10:43.440evening is celebrated with his own saga in a way that our previous heroes haven't been. So to
00:10:52.300really do a deep dive and to get the full A.L. Scallagrinson experience, reading his saga,
00:11:00.300it's one of the first ones I read. It is exciting. It is certainly a fun read. It's not any kind of
00:11:06.900dry history. It is an exciting story of a very, very exciting and compelling man. So I would
00:11:17.740encourage all of you guys to read that if you haven't or reread it if you already have. And in
00:11:23.680case our audience is completely unfamiliar with Agil, can you, I don't know, tell folks about
00:11:31.820him and what what they need to know assuming they've never heard of him before okay so he was
00:11:39.000born in ice in he was born in 1902 a.d and he started composing poetry at an extremely early age
00:11:47.760three and it seems that his first poem was written as a defiance of his father
00:11:55.720He was told that he could not go to a gathering because he didn't know how to behave in public.
00:12:02.780So he snuck out of the house and went.
00:12:05.700And when he left, he composed this poem.
00:12:10.000Here I am at the hearth of my host, the generous one who grants gold to heretic men, free-handed fosterer.
00:12:18.740You'll find no three-year-old babe among bards more brilliant than me.
00:12:25.720So he started at his very young age and the next part takes him to when he was six and he had been playing a game with kids a little older than him and he was winning and the boy that he was playing with cheated.
00:12:42.560So basically, he ran home, got an axe, and killed the boy.
00:12:51.440And his mom was actually very proud of him for that, because he had the makings of a real Viking, for lack of a better word.
00:13:01.180Now, throughout his life, he exhibited berserk behavior.
00:13:06.620And a lot of the talk in the saga has to do with his large head.
00:13:12.560And they refer to it, and he refers to it as his poem, as a large, unattractive head.
00:13:21.260They're kind of thinking that he had a disease called Peggett's disease, which causes the thickening of the bones, which would explain his sudden bursts of anger and the fact that he was so good in battle.
00:13:42.560Let's see. He started Viking life as a teenager and happily followed the calling until he reached middle age.
00:13:50.380We know a lot of him because of the stories that was written down.
00:13:56.220It is thought that Snorri Sterlinson is actually a descendant of his.
00:14:04.060Now, he fought and led many Viking raids throughout most of northern Europe.
00:14:09.460His violent, successful career took him to Norway, Sweden, Denmark, England, Saxony, and Persia.
00:14:16.900He fought as a mercenary for King Asselstyn, the King of England.
00:14:22.460He killed a royal berserker of the King of Norway in a duel,
00:14:27.520and once literally chewed through an opponent's neck in a ferocious hand duel.
00:17:34.600Once he was staying with a family friend, he noticed that their young daughter was very sick.
00:17:40.660He offered to heal her and asked that she be given fresh bedsheets.
00:17:45.900Then he cut ritual ruins for her, which he put under her pillow.
00:17:49.340Soon after, she quickly came back to health.
00:17:55.660After a successful career, he retired to his farm in Iceland.
00:18:00.480He lived well and, for the most part, peacefully into old age.
00:18:04.960He died shortly before his 90th birthday, 10 years before Iceland turned to Christianity.
00:18:12.080he continued to write into his old age and showing his sense of humor often there's one
00:18:22.920poem that says time seems long and passing as I lie alone a senile old man on the downy bed
00:18:30.460my legs are too frigid widows those women need some time so he had the duality of his life he
00:18:41.320You know, he was able to do the violent stuff that was needed of him, but he also had the softer side where he had loyalty to his family and his friends.
00:18:52.920And I touched on it when he healed the girl, but he was very much, he knew his runes very well.
00:18:59.800he had a very good mastery of them and other than healing the girl he also
00:19:07.480used ruins while he was raising a netting pole against king eric blood axe and his and the queen
00:19:19.720he used ruins for love spells and that he was very well with the ruins
00:19:25.800and the story of that i didn't know about him is they were constructing his children ended up
00:19:37.160turning to christianity and they were constructing a chapel on the homestead and so they had his body
00:19:43.200exhumed and they had taken his skull and they hit it with an axe and because of the thickness of the
00:19:51.380bone from the disease he had, the skull ended up turning white, and it is in a museum today.
00:20:01.940His homestead can be visited in Iceland, and I believe that's all I have, Matt.
00:20:11.600Excellent. I appreciate you coming on and talking about him this evening,
00:20:17.640And it's great to have you on for other things and to talk about the Academy and everything else.
00:20:25.880But I'm really hopeful that folks who listen to this will go out and read Egil's saga because it's really cool.
00:20:33.860It's one of the most substantial and in-depth and just exciting and all over the place sagas that we have.
00:20:41.500It's he lived such a such a full and complex life of adventure, you know, literally since he was a little kid.
00:20:52.060And it's it's really cool to read about. Also, in his his rune mastery, he once carved carved runes on a horn he was going to drink from.
00:21:01.960It turned out to be poisoned and the horn when the poison was in the horn, it burst because he he carved the protection runes in it.
00:21:09.540So that's one of the things, there's a lot of, you know, very exciting warriors and poets and heroes in our stories, but we reserve our days of remembrance for ones that also had a particularly also true element to their lives.
00:21:28.600and his being an odin's man since he was much since he was very young and fought through his
00:21:36.720family because he's from a from a line of berserkers um is telling and something that
00:21:42.960stayed with him throughout his life and he you know he lived at a tumultuous time where conversion
00:21:48.860was was going on everywhere and uh you know shortly after his death overtook you know the
00:21:55.760last refuge of Alsatua in Iceland there. So it's very important in that way as well.
00:22:03.940We've got some questions already stacking up. First one, it's been over a year since
00:22:11.380Victory Never Sleep's first debut. Can you reflect on how far the podcast has come?
00:22:17.520How have things changed since its debut and what plans or ideas do you have for future episodes?
00:22:25.760And first, it it has been it's been such a pleasure doing it and something that, you know, all of us started out with no experience at.
00:22:45.280And we we had an idea and we jumped right in and tried to do our best on it.
00:22:49.920And I'll tell you what, Nick has blown it out of the water since day one with all of the back end management of things, with making the little pictures to advertise each episode, with contacting and, you know, and corralling us that got to do this on Wednesdays and keeping up with the chats.
00:23:13.880Nick has really gone above and beyond, and he's always behind the scenes, and it's very hard to
00:23:20.440really appreciate all the work he puts in on it, on top of all the other work he puts in for the
00:23:26.440AFA. So thank you so much, Nick, for all that you've done to make this so successful. One of
00:23:33.220the biggest changes that we've seen since we've started actually is, you know, I couldn't tell
00:23:40.080exactly how old i think like a week and a half old or something not even that old but
00:23:47.360all the little uh shorts and clips that are getting made out of these episodes and that is
00:23:52.400hours and hours and hours of effort by nick behind the scenes to make those happen and that seemed to
00:23:59.280really increase our reach increase you know our algorithms get more people to see the show listen
00:24:08.000to the show know about who we are and what we're doing and that's you know one of the big reasons
00:24:15.200we started doing this um the audience has been awesome uh we we appreciate all the people that
00:24:24.720we get you know at random that show up but we have a couple we have like a handful of of people that
00:24:31.200are here every single week, participating, asking great questions, really being part of this. And
00:24:40.400one thing that, you know, I guess it should go without saying, but I don't think we often think
00:24:47.040about it as much as maybe we should. This is an audience participation program. I've never been
00:24:55.860one that somebody says, you know, Matt, here's a topic, go give a presentation on it. That's not
00:25:00.700really my thing. I am much, much better at taking questions and having a conversation.
00:25:06.440And so that's why we set up the show the way that we did with it being so much question and answer.
00:25:11.340And so that necessitates that we fill the show with you guys asking really good questions
00:25:21.500or not so good questions, whatever you guys want to throw at us. But you all is doing that
00:25:27.080participation makes this happen um some people get grumpy that these are just too long for them
00:25:33.320they're welcome to watch them over time everybody you know you do you but i sometimes i'll listen to
00:25:38.200podcasts over the course of days if they're long but they're able to be as long as they are because
00:25:43.880you guys fill the chat with questions and you guys keep the conversation going and that typically
00:25:49.160dictates how long one of these shows is or isn't um getting a little bit too long last week last
00:25:55.400week was our record and i think it was what seven hours 26 minutes and change that was that was a
00:26:03.240lot that was that was a lot it was a lot for nick it was certainly a lot for spawn over there on the
00:26:07.640east coast it was a lot for me and uh i'm i'm over on the west coast so it it was a lot but we like
00:26:14.200to stay on until all your questions are answered that's really important to us so that's a thing
00:26:18.200um it has been very gratifying for me this is this is what i love this is this is my life and
00:26:26.900getting a chance to talk to you guys about this and getting a chance to explain this and answer
00:26:34.280questions is it's such a fun thing for me that i look forward to and i talk to some of my very
00:26:42.220favorite people on this program and getting to do that and spend an evening with you guys once a
00:26:47.400week is really special to me. And the fact that we've gotten so much good feedback and so many
00:26:51.720people have enjoyed and gotten value from what we're doing, that means a lot. And I'm really
00:26:57.580glad that we have that opportunity to be there and do that for you guys, with you guys.
00:27:04.160But yeah, I'm kind of overwhelmed with how successful this has been over the last year.
00:27:08.000I hope that stays up as far as future plans.
00:27:10.240i wish but as stuff comes up i'm always hungry for you know ideas or topics honestly between
00:27:20.160you and i a lot of the time the topic is just an excuse to get one of the people on here that i
00:27:24.020want to talk to you guys the topic's important we like the topic but if you'll notice we spend
00:27:29.120more of the time asking questions that aren't directly related to the topic at hand but the
00:27:34.300topic is a really good conversation starter that can lead down some really good and really
00:27:39.780meaningful roads. Our next question is from Goethe Trent East. Sarah, what's been your
00:27:47.540favorite or proudest moment as a folk builder for our glorious church?
00:28:06.740Sarah is in deep thought on this question.
00:28:09.780You cut out for a minute, so I wasn't sure if you asked the question.
00:28:35.820Obviously, the Academy, but we talked about that already.
00:28:38.400And I am very fortunate and lucky to be a part of a Ladies Mysteries podcast that we have once a month that it's for just the women in the AFA and it teaches them the basics of Ossitru.
00:28:54.180It teaches them the mysterious things that women do and it really shows them and involves them women as a part of the AFA and a part of Ossitru.
00:29:07.500and that's very important but one of my proudest things i was actually thinking about the other day
00:29:13.980i went to my very first fall fest in 2019 and that is when i first met brandy callahan
00:29:22.620she was helping with the kids crafts and i was just in there kind of volunteering
00:29:26.540and her and her sons they just seemed like really nice people and then in fall fest of
00:29:34.1402020 uh i got married at fall fest and she got both as a folk builder
00:29:44.580and then when baldursoff was dedicated she got ordained as a githia and the very first
00:29:53.480elsie fest in wisconsin it uh she was made a witten so she i am extremely proud and thankful
00:30:02.960that Witten Brandy Callahan has been weaved into my life so much.
00:35:42.440The next question, we're going to start with you on this, Sarah. What is your favorite moment from
00:35:54.680Eil's saga? And he shares that he loved, I love reading about his uncle Thoralfur Kfeldolfsson
00:36:04.200escaping from the burning hall and Eil carving his way through the battles to reach his dying
00:36:11.160brother. I like the story of him healing his friend's daughter with the carving of the ruins
00:36:24.800and just changing her bed sheets. The battle scenes, I like those.
00:36:32.580um it shows just such a duality in his life and just he was just incredible and to know that he
00:36:42.760was real is another thing a lot of times when you look at um these heroes that we honor with
00:36:50.840remembrance days it was so long ago that they're just they're there's a tendency just to see them
00:36:57.560as stories but these were actual people who did these actual things that we're honoring them for
00:37:02.920and that's just kind of really cool in general so all right just because it is funny um the standout
00:37:22.600And I remember when I read it, just like laughing out loud whenever he when he would spontaneously compose some poetry, it always, at least in my translation saga, and it's like, and then you'll speak a verse and then he spake a verse.
00:37:45.200There was one occasion where he vomited in another man's face and then he spake a verse.
00:37:52.600and that was kind of again not like a particular moment of heroism but something that stood out
00:38:01.240is at random times he would spontaneously you know compose poetry sometimes celebratory
00:38:09.200oftentimes a flighting or an insulting uh insulting verse about somebody or an occasion
00:38:16.520but he would he was brought before the king of Norway at one point when he you know a king that
00:38:27.640he had a long-standing animosity with actually had killed the king's son and he managed to
00:38:36.720escape execution because he was able to compose such an epic feat of poetry in praise and
00:38:45.620celebration of the king that was renowned throughout the land and was like the best
00:38:51.000anybody ever heard. It was enough to slack the king's vengeance and allow him to get away
00:38:56.700unscathed. And that's an amazing feat in and of itself. So that one's a little bit more heroic
00:39:02.320than the vomit story, but it was still really interesting. I think that Sarah's point can't
00:39:11.720be stressed enough. And this is the last one of our line of heroes that we're talking about with
00:39:17.900the Days of Remembrance in this series. When we add some more, we'll definitely do episodes on
00:39:23.180them. But it's really important to understand, and this is, history is really important to me.
00:39:34.520I know I get on here and I complain about scholasticism a lot because studying history
00:39:39.780and studying the gods are two different things the one can help and inform the other certainly
00:39:45.220history and religion are separate but i digress in looking into history and studying history
00:39:53.860it's really easy to fall into seeing these people as characters in a story
00:40:01.060but they're not these are real people with the same fears the same emotions the same challenges
00:40:08.340the same limitations the same strengths the same weaknesses shaped by different circumstances
00:40:15.300certainly but that we all have and seeing people like us in a lot of ways able to accomplish these
00:40:25.940great things and live these full and amazing and celebrated centuries later lives is really
00:40:34.420something to learn from to aspire to to be inspired by and we only fully do that when we
00:40:43.380stop to consider that these are these are real people with real lives real human
00:40:48.420frailties that were able to rise above and become something more um
00:40:54.100Oh, I am, Nick would like me to ask you about the AFA Eldrie Program.
00:41:04.260Could you tell us a little bit about that?
00:41:08.380The AFA Eldrie Program was created by Githya Sheila McAllen for AFA members age 50 and up.
00:41:20.280Sheila also sends out emails to the ones that aren't on MeWe.
00:41:25.660And every Friday, there is a meeting at 4 p.m. Central Time.
00:41:29.860And we spend sometimes up to two and a half hours just talking about the good old days and the future we see for ourselves in the AFA.
00:41:41.880It's just a nice bonding for that age group.
00:41:44.240So if anyone is an AFA member over the age of 50 and we haven't been in contact with you already, you can either reach out to Sheila or to me and we'll get you hooked up with the group.
00:41:55.980and it sounds like it sounds like people are really enjoying that group it seems like a lot
00:42:04.840of our our members that i think i don't know i think are somehow feel you know outside the loop
00:42:15.940when people get in there with their hip 20 year old internet millennial speak i think it it helps
00:42:25.440some of our members who maybe aren't as keen on that bond in a different way. And I've seen that
00:42:31.860not just, you know, them locally, but all across. I think we have a couple of international members
00:42:39.040involved in that. So all across the world, as far as I know. I know it's helped some people
00:42:43.760locally as well, very much. So I've heard nothing but good things about that. If you're up there in
00:42:50.600years and you join the AFA, be sure to be a part of that. I hear there's good things on it. Give
00:42:55.840me about eight years and I will join you. So our next question, how can we explain to friends or
00:43:09.740a family member that a word like Aryan isn't a bad word and that an ancient holy Aryan symbol
00:43:17.400like the swastika is positive and spiritual and not hateful. Many people just don't get it,
00:43:24.240and it feels alienating at times. So I think that one of the first things is to differentiate,
00:43:33.780do they not get it or do they not want to get it? And I think that the word, certainly the symbol,
00:43:42.460are just scary to a lot of people and are probably going to just stay scary to a lot of people.
00:43:51.760And I don't think they want to have the discussion. And if they don't want to have
00:43:55.620the discussion, then no matter what you say, it's going to go in one ear and out the other.
00:43:59.700If they genuinely don't understand, then there's plenty of resources. Just Googling it,
00:44:06.940you can figure out very very quickly the roots of a lot of these words i'd say that the biggest
00:44:16.540thing that is not scary to go to is uh hinduism and vedic indians and they have had a continuous
00:44:28.380use of the word Aryan and of the swastika symbol for thousands of years. And I think that's easily
00:44:38.840documented. It is what it is. It's brown people using it. So it's less scary to people, but it
00:44:48.300traces back to the same root. And I think that's a good gateway into helping to understand it and
00:44:54.120make it make sense to folks if they genuinely are unfamiliar and they've only seen or heard of them
00:45:00.100in a negative context and they'd like to learn more. But I think that it's not necessarily a
00:45:06.820battle worth fighting if it's just immediately in your face scary to people. Our job isn't to
00:45:13.660freak people out. We would love to talk to them about being noble. And if that doesn't mean
00:45:18.480throwing Aryan in their face every time it scares them, you can just talk about us being noble and
00:45:23.860that being a characteristic that our people have always been known by and have named themselves0.79
00:45:29.160after. And there's a lot of other symbols that are very similar, that have a very similar meaning,
00:45:34.980but that haven't been used for propaganda purposes against our people for a really long
00:45:45.900time. There's a lot of other symbols that you can use. And frightening people isn't what we're
00:45:52.180trying to do. And so there's a lot of stuff you can do. Um, Sarah, what are your, what are your
00:45:58.160thoughts on that? Well, with the word Arian, I don't find myself using that word in conversation
00:46:08.420normally. So it's not a conversation I've had to have with my family and friends. Um, I know
00:46:14.240that's unusual for my movement background, but it's just not part of my conversation with the
00:46:20.660swastika though that's a little different for me i i remember sitting down at the dinner table
00:46:26.240with my dad who who already knew the background of it and explaining it to him why it wasn't just
00:46:35.400this thing that he viewed as evil and hateful and um it got nowhere so it i think it depends
00:46:46.360on the perception that the people already have about it you know there's such a a negative
00:46:52.400attachment to it as soon as you say the word as soon as you see the symbol in normal people
00:46:59.300outside of us and i think in general with things like that and um the more normal you make it
00:47:09.420the more normal or at least the less they notice is i guess kind of my theory whether that's right
00:47:20.040or wrong like if you don't make the big deal out of it and make the point that i have to explain
00:47:27.760this to you i know that this you feel this way about it let me explain it to you but if you're
00:47:35.620just wearing it and just wear it and you're a normal person it's just part of you at least
00:47:43.380that's what I found with you know my family and the people I hung around honestly you know having
00:47:50.080a conversation with somebody who's genuinely interested in those two things that's fine
00:47:57.140there's a lot of ways to explain or or do that but I think the point that Sarah made is really
00:48:02.840important, you bypass a lot of the pitfalls of conversation if somebody is not open or desirous
00:48:11.200to the conversation. If you use both of those things appropriately and you aren't using them
00:48:18.200as a device to throw in people's face or to try to scare people or to try to be edgy with,
00:48:24.880if you're genuine in your use of those things and you're a normal, you know, I say normal and it's
00:48:30.720probably not in this day and age, but if you're a good person doing good people things and they
00:48:39.520know you and respect you from that, it's going to bypass that conversation and it's going to
00:48:44.920ingrain in the back of their head, hey, well, he used that word and hey, he has that symbol for
00:48:49.960certain things and he's not a bad guy. And I think that's a better thing to do. And something else to
00:48:55.500just consider outside of the screechy woke crowd and it depends we've got a lot of different
00:49:03.840generations of people who listen to this program but for example um you know if you're 60 and above
00:49:13.260your parents you know grew up in a time where there's a lot more direct baggage to that
00:49:24.020And whatever your thoughts may be about the Second World War, if you're in England or the United States or a number of places, you may be dealing with someone whose parents or if not their grandparents, you know, they grew up talking to people that fought and died.
00:49:45.140where that was the call sign of the enemy team. And the arguments about it are irrelevant to
00:49:57.660people who grew up in the 40s, 50s, and 60s. They have a really direct connection to people that
00:50:07.160have some really ingrained issues with it. And it's not really worth
00:50:11.800rubbing salt in or picking a fight with. But like Sarah said, I think just being you and
00:50:19.320being a good person and being the example of what to be and happening to use those when
00:50:23.860they're appropriate is probably your best bet unless people are genuinely intellectually curious.
00:50:34.580Next question, will there be more VNS with multiple Gothar and folk builders on at a time?
00:50:40.300Will you do more in-depth talks with the other 10 Asinyur like you did with the Isir, Frigga, and Freya?
00:50:54.700So, sure, I'm happy to do that on all of those.
00:50:58.320Honestly, while we are in a way rebuilding a lot of our relationships with the gods and the goddesses, especially the ones that are less celebrated or less known, I think that our amount of material is much less, especially with the other Asenor from that poem with Frigga's Handmaidens specifically.
00:51:25.440I think air is probably the one that we could do the most of a show about. And again, not because the source material is more, but because people's current interactions over the last 50 years with air have been significant.
00:51:43.740There's a cult of air that's kind of grown up within Ausatru because we've had so many people
00:51:49.500that have have prayed to her and been helped by her when they've been ill, when a family member's
00:51:55.180been ill. I think that there's a relationship there that we could talk more on. So I think
00:51:59.300doing an episode of her on her, if Nick would write this down somewhere, so I'll remember it
00:52:03.860when I get off the show would be a really nice thing for us to do. I'd love to do some more
00:52:10.580episodes with multiple folks um it's a matter of coordinating schedules but the plan is and i don't
00:52:16.860know if we got the graphic up it should be up after tonight's program but in excuse me in four
00:52:24.000weeks from today doing an episode with myself and uh witten clifford erickson and his wife
00:52:32.720Githya Katie Erickson. We should be all down at an Airbnb near Sigerheim. Hopefully they got good
00:52:40.980Wi-Fi and all kind of sitting around the same table or same living room or the same wherever
00:52:44.860we're at and doing an episode from there. And that's going to be right before our winter nights
00:52:50.580in Sigerheim. But yeah, that's the first one of the multiple folks that we'll have on that we've
00:52:55.780got scheduled. I'm really happy to do more of those. I think, you know, I think those are fun
00:53:01.020to do if we can coordinate them. And I will try to work some more of those in if you'd like to see
00:53:05.580those. And what about the Kindreds? If you would like to have an episode just on AFA Kindreds,
00:53:16.860we could try to figure that out. I'd probably have folk builder Jason Gallagher on again.
00:53:22.660He heads up the Kindred program and always has. So we could work that in if it's something you're
00:53:29.380interested about. Again, Nick, if you could take these ideas down so we have them after the show,
00:53:33.860that would be awesome, because everything I don't want to do and want to put work on,
00:53:38.880I push on Nick, and he does it amazingly, and I appreciate it.
00:53:47.140Brandy says, speaking of Beowulf, Sarah, could you tell our women folk how to join the book study?0.99
00:53:54.580the ladies book study on beowulf is thursday every single thursday night at 7 p.m central0.91
00:54:04.400standard time and you can reach out to me and i will get you hooked up with a link to join the
00:54:09.760the um team's call that we do to do the study they last about an hour um there is they're
00:54:19.740record it, and I have a playlist of all the past recordings, so you can get caught up to where
00:54:24.780we're at, and plus Brandy made a 68-page study guide that accompanies it, so I can get that to
00:54:32.940you also. If you have never done a bookstore study with Brandy, it is incredibly interesting,
00:54:41.200in depth. There are a lot of personal things she goes down and all these rabbit holes that are
00:54:50.100awesome. The last book study before this was Deep Ancestors that we did as ladies, and that took a
00:54:56.720year and a half to finish the book. So that is how book studies with Brandy go. But you come out of
00:55:02.700it with lots of knowledge and lots of understanding, and it's awesome.
00:55:06.540I think that's the difference between a book study and just reading a book together at the
00:55:13.840same time with other people. You can read a book together really quick to really do an
00:55:18.700in-depth study, taking the time I think is really well worth it.
00:55:22.080okay and and i opened to this so i'll so i'll i'll allow it oh that was one of my favorite
00:55:36.320parts of the saga doesn't he push the guy up against a wall and then he barfs on him yes
00:55:41.520that's exactly what happens i say that it's been a little while since i read it but as i recall
00:55:48.480that's exactly how it goes down um at what point in history do you think pan-arianism really became
00:56:00.080a prominent idea amongst our folk no doubt in ages past during our tribal days many arian
00:56:06.800tribes thought of themselves as separate peoples surely we've evolved since then
00:56:12.080but when did we awaken and realize that we are one people
00:56:18.480Sarah, do you have any thoughts on this?
00:56:38.480and I certainly can't give you like a year or an event that made that happen.
00:56:44.480But. In the large sweep of centuries, there has always been migrations and movement of our folk.
00:57:04.140So the intermixing of groups that at one time would seem different into groups that then consider themselves the same, and then groups that later balkanize into smaller groups.
00:57:23.740I think that's happened within our race of people since the beginning.
00:57:30.200I think that when people's view of the world was much, much smaller and there was so much of the
00:57:41.420map that was still black and unknown, I think, and I think we all have a tendency to do this.
00:57:48.780We recognize sameness and difference. If the differentiating thing is you guys wear different
00:57:56.000clothes than we do then cool we make a distinction and consider those people different if it's
00:58:02.800different hairstyles if it's different whatever as long as we're in a group of the same people1.00
00:58:08.480we look for small things you know let's gang up on the redheads well the redheads can gang up on the
00:58:14.240dark-haired people and the further you move out to different valleys different regions different
00:58:20.720places especially when you have people in the mediterranean building a very different form of
00:58:26.960civilization and you have people in the forests in the north in in the cold doing it's easy to do
00:58:33.920but i think that our people have always recognized when there are extremely different groups of
00:58:41.040people like there's differences amongst tribes clans nations countries of white people but
00:58:48.720the difference between that and other races of people is very obvious and very significant and
00:58:55.760i think that our people see that when they went on expeditions when when the vikings discovered
00:59:01.920north america they didn't act like the the native americans at the time were just a different
00:59:09.280a different tribe of european peoples they were a completely different thing and i think you
00:59:15.680see the same thing when our people went on crusade and discovered um discovered blacks for
00:59:24.880the first time that you know they'd never seen one in their country i remember an illustration
00:59:30.400in parsifal because one of the characters um was was said to be half black the illustration
00:59:38.640is literally a guy like in the original star trek to where half of his body was white and
00:59:44.640half of his body was black because they couldn't conceive of what a mixed race person would look
00:59:51.920like because that was such a foreign idea to them at the time. So I think that
00:59:57.520when the world started to open up, I think that probably for the average people
01:00:05.160during the Crusades was probably something that we noticed a lot. I think that certainly during
01:00:13.360the age of discovery, when we were traveling to the Americas for the first time, to the Pacific
01:00:18.340Islands for the first time, to really discovering Africa for the first time, that was a time that
01:00:26.960we really noticed a great difference. And anytime we notice these great differences amongst other
01:00:32.600groups of people, we reflect on how small the differences are amongst us. And so I think we
01:00:39.920also noticed that very specifically in Central and Eastern Europe during the Mongolian invasion.
01:00:48.160I think that during the time of the Khans, we really saw a difference between those people
01:00:54.080and our people. And certainly you'd have tales from travelers and things. And I think it was
01:00:59.280the thing of fantasy for a long time, but I think it becoming a real concept that the average person
01:01:04.640understood was at those times. Yeah, I think that's the, I think that's, and then I think
01:01:20.200it solidified even further in, so I think that everybody got it as a concept at that
01:01:31.320point, I think when massive scale immigrations happened in the 1960s, and when there was a
01:01:42.420social agenda about forcing a melting pot onto our people, I think that's another time that we
01:01:50.620really felt the commonality of our folk and we really saw the same and different in an enhanced
01:01:57.420light. I think those are probably the times in history I think are the most significant on it.
01:02:04.300The next question we've got up, how should we defend ourselves against the epithet of LARPing?
01:02:17.660I think, yeah, you take this one first, Sarah, go for it.
01:02:22.540okay so the obvious answer is don't learn and obviously don't worry about what other people
01:02:32.860call you but in a more serious way if also true is a daily practice in your life it is if it's
01:02:40.420part of who you are and it's not just something you do on the weekends it's not just something
01:02:45.580you do when you get together with other members of the AFA, then you are never LARPing, and
01:02:53.020this is your life, and that's basically it.
01:03:00.180So, unfortunately, and I think with a lot of things, there is an uncomfortable gray area.
01:03:11.880There are numerous different accusations leveled against us for LARPing.
01:03:23.100I think the obvious ones, the Viking LARP thing, don't Viking LARP.
01:03:31.720Why would you dress up like you're a Viking?
01:03:41.880best way to avoid being accused of larping is don't act silly don't wear don't wear legitimate
01:03:48.600reenactment viking clothes but further and probably even more important don't wear guar clothes
01:03:56.120pretending that you're a viking because that's silly on top of it and that seems to be what
01:04:01.960modern pretending you're a viking is supposed to be everybody wore black and had ashes on their face
01:04:08.040and shoulder pelts and they didn't have colors and everything was leather and like partially ripped
01:04:14.600up and that's silly that's not what vikings actually look like but secondly why you should
01:04:22.520avoid dressing like you're from an age you're not from wear modern clothing behave as a modern
01:04:28.920person and practice your faith in a modern context. We owe it. It's important that our
01:04:36.280detractors don't think that we're silly and that potential people that should come home to their0.94
01:04:43.380gods don't see what we're doing as silly and run the other way. But it's also important that when0.62
01:04:48.380we approach our gods, we're not being silly, that we're being respectful of them by honoring them
01:04:54.160in a legitimate way, not in a, in a hokey cheesy way. Um, there's the accusation of Viking LARP.
01:05:01.900There's the accusation of, you know, 1930s and 40s continental European LARP. And I think that
01:05:14.440we can avoid doing that by again, not playing dress up and not pretending we live in a time
01:05:20.760different than the time that we live in. Keeping what we do focused on today, you can respect and
01:05:27.480celebrate our history. We can celebrate heroes from our past, like we're celebrating Egil tonight.
01:05:35.660But to dress and behave like we're in the world that we live in, and to take that world
01:05:41.160head on instead of practicing escapism, pretending we live in a different world than we live in,
01:05:47.860And I think that can do it. But unfortunately, there's going to be a bunch of people out there that are just snobs.
01:05:55.100And because their life is empty of sincere faith, they're going to think that we're all LARPing because no one could possibly really believe in our gods because that's silly.
01:06:07.320unless we are self-indulgent and focused on nihilism and we're all larping because those
01:06:15.840people have a hole in their life that they don't know how to fill there's no effective way to
01:06:20.960combat that other than living a good life and celebrating your success and i think that'll
01:06:27.080that'll do what it needs to do on its own
01:06:28.900Hello, new here, but I'm working on an essay about Freya, her references and theories that
01:06:44.060surround her. I was wondering what the AFA's position is on whether Freya and Frigg have
01:06:50.040the same origin. No, they don't. I mean, other than their origin as goddesses of our folk,
01:07:00.120no, they're not ever the same. They were not ever the same. They're very clearly...
01:07:08.840So, and being new, I will rant on something that I rant on a lot.
01:07:14.120if your approach to understanding our gods is to treat them as literary characters in history
01:07:24.820and try to find fragments and force them into boxes created by sociologists or anthropologists
01:07:34.900I think you fail if you are trying to approach our gods by treating them as gods and then filling in
01:07:43.200the rest with the understanding that they're gods, you come to a much better understandable
01:07:49.220conclusion. Our folk, there's themes in the female goddesses, I say that's redundant, I'm sorry,
01:07:58.320there's themes in the goddesses of our folk that are very much exemplified in Lady Freya and Mother
01:08:05.800frigga um one idea is the the idea of the horse goddess and the cow goddess and that goes back
01:08:15.720to the most ancient period of our folk there is female divinity that exemplifies untamed wild
01:08:26.840magical um pushing the edges pushing the boundaries single women's
01:08:39.720mysteries and there is a segment of our goddesses that exemplify the home the hearth motherhood0.99
01:08:48.440marriage, the societal duties of women. And those are clearly exemplified by Frigg and Freyja
01:08:58.120in a very distinct way. There's not overlap between those groups of goddesses
01:09:05.160unless you see the transition from the horse goddess growing up into the cow goddess figure
01:09:11.400in lore but they're always separate and that's very important the the personalities and the
01:09:19.800existence of freya and frig are very very different and i would encourage you to go
01:09:26.200along those lines i appreciate you joining us tonight and i appreciate you being
01:09:31.880being on the program and asking questions and we're glad that you're here
01:09:35.480all right let's take this one first sarah thoughts on the rainbow my christian in-laws believe that
01:09:43.880the pride people have corrupted it from its true christian meaning considering heimdall's
01:09:48.600association with beef for us could we have the same gripe what are your thoughts about the rainbow
01:09:57.000i grew up during the 80s where rainbows were very popular and they weren't associated with
01:10:03.400gayness. So I love rainbows. I had a trapper keeper full of rainbows, and I believe that we
01:10:12.740could take it back. Rainbows are awesome. Rainbows are beautiful. There's a lot of really cool things
01:10:29.300about rainbows. Again, when I grew up, rainbows weren't gay. Rainbows were mostly for girls,
01:10:35.460but they weren't, you know, it wasn't a gay thing. I do absolutely believe that
01:10:43.360we can take it back and it can mean something different at a different time in a different
01:10:47.680place. I think communication is really important. What you are trying to communicate matters and
01:11:02.840what you wear and the symbols that you use affect that. In your own in-group, rainbows can mean
01:11:11.460something special. They can also be funny and ironic. They can mean different things.
01:11:15.860what when broadcast to the world at large, rainbows mean LGBTQ plus and whatever else
01:11:26.000is cool this week. That just is. Whether we want that to be or not, there may be parts of the
01:11:34.600world where that's not a thing. But right now, that's what that means to the vast majority of
01:11:39.320people that see it. So be aware of that. Use it in context. I think there are times and places
01:11:45.360where certain things, and if the colors are subtle, is very reasonable. But if you just go
01:11:51.220around with a rainbow t-shirt on, people are going to make assumptions about where you stand
01:11:57.500in groups of things you support politically and socially. You don't, you know, I've seen people
01:12:04.060that have ironic t-shirts that'll have things like that. And then if you read the fine print,
01:12:09.760it says something super, you know, based. Nobody's going to read the fine print. They're going to
01:12:15.100see you from across the room and make assumptions. And that's your fault, not theirs. So I would
01:12:20.860just be careful of how you do it. I would love to see a day where we have it back and the rainbow
01:12:26.120can be celebrated for as beautiful and powerful and spiritual that it is. Today's not that day
01:12:34.040though. Do you know any sellers or websites where I can buy Alcitru related objects like
01:12:44.380Mjolnir talismans, for example, and merchandise, t-shirts, hoodies, etc. that actually supports
01:12:50.600Alcitruar? I would like to buy items that were actually made with a religious intent rather
01:12:56.340than buy from non-Alcitruar who put no heart and soul into making it.
01:13:04.040Yes, eventually. So we are currently rebuilding the store at roomstone.org. We currently have flags and books. Our folk builder and lady who runs that store, Allison Clausen, is currently in the process of getting T-shirts and hoodies and such made.
01:13:27.000she's going to have hats, those kinds of things. We also have a member that I've talked to about
01:13:32.640getting some, um, Mjolnir's that he makes up on the site. That would be really, he does really,
01:13:39.400really cool ones. And, uh, to get his on the site would be really nice. That's, uh, the store
01:13:46.180at runestone.org. We're not quite there yet. We're in the process. Um, the woman that was running
01:13:52.960the store turned on us in a really ugly way in June and kind of brought that whole process
01:14:02.140to a halt. So we've had to rebuild our store and repopulate it with merchandise. So we've
01:14:09.480been working hard at that and we've got some of it. We're just not all the way there yet
01:14:14.220with clothing and such, but we are working on it. And I've been told some of that will
01:14:19.380be ready by the end of October. We'll see. But that's my suggestion. Sarah, do you know another
01:14:23.680place folks can buy house true related products? If you are on MeWe, we have a marketplace where
01:14:32.420some of our members sell the wares that they make. And there is a wide variety of them. We
01:14:40.460have very talented members. So if you are on MeWe, reach out to your folk builder so you can get put
01:14:47.660in that group and you can see what there is to offer if you're an afa member if you're not you
01:14:55.180should be so i suppose this is a good time in the program for that if you are listening to the sound
01:15:02.620of sarah and my voices this evening are you an afa member yet if not why not if you can't come
01:15:13.420up with a existential reason that you are not eligible to join the afa i would really invite
01:15:18.860you to check out the website and if you're in agreement with us to join and be part of it
01:15:24.220we're doing amazing amazing things together we'd love to have you be part of our afa family um
01:15:32.860i think and this is you know going on a little bit of a rant for a second
01:15:37.500A lot of people, when they find the AFA for the first time or hear about us for the first
01:15:45.280time, they assume we're new or we're just starting out or we're trying to build something.
01:15:53.580We're certainly building, but we're not trying to do anything we're doing.
01:15:58.340We've been around as the Auschwitz-Folk Assembly for 28 years.
01:16:03.480At the turn of the year, we will have been around for 29 years.
01:16:07.500The current of AlsaTrue founded by our founder, Stephen McNallan, is 54 years old.
01:16:19.100We've been around for a while. We haven't been around in the modern era for centuries, but, you know, give us 40 years or so and we'll be there.
01:16:27.860Um, so that's to say this, we've got a really special and really good foundation.
01:16:38.680Um, we've got a lot of momentum behind us.
01:16:41.840We're doing amazing, amazing things, but we're still small enough to where every individual
01:16:48.940can make such a big difference in what we're building and what we're doing.
01:16:53.380You have the opportunity to be such a huge part of the growth of Ausatru for our children and for their children.
01:17:05.060And we need and want all of your help to make that happen.
01:17:09.160So we would love to have you with us if we want nice things,
01:17:15.020if we want to build this to be a faith that our children and our grandchildren can get the most out of.
01:17:23.380We need to do that together, and we do that by being part of the team, by being in the arena, by being the ones out here volunteering time, effort, and money to make this happen.
01:17:35.680There's a lot of people that like to sit on the sidelines and say they support us 100 percent when they really support us 0 percent.
01:17:43.160They just kind of like what we're doing.
01:17:46.560Supporting 100 percent means joining the team and making donations and being part of what we're doing.
01:17:52.520and joining and having your family join, coming out to things, being at the Hoffs,
01:17:58.780participating in Ausitru, worshiping our gods, strengthening the AFA's kin fence.
01:18:04.060We'd love to have you guys do that. So if you have not joined yet, I invite you to check us out
01:18:09.300and send in your applications. We would love to have you guys join the AFA family.
01:18:17.480Githya Anna asks, Sarah, you've been doing a great job in focusing on fitness.
01:18:22.520What would you tell somebody just starting out?
01:18:29.520See, this is that awesome female support we have in the AFA.
01:18:33.520We have for the female members of the AFA, we have a sisterhood fitness program where it's just the ladies.
01:18:44.520And the amount of support in that group blows my mind all the time.
01:18:49.520the time the group has been around for a while and they have done various challenges and i resisted
01:18:56.080joining that group for a very long time because you do put yourself out there
01:19:00.480and when you're someone like me who's older and overweight and has
01:19:08.560over the last couple years gained a ridiculous amount of weight having to focus on that
01:19:16.000is just so mind-blowing. Having that support around you is amazing. So what really worked for
01:19:23.460me was the support of everyone in that group, especially Mandy. If you don't know Mandy,
01:19:30.340she is freaking amazing. I don't know if I would have been able to continue doing this without her.
01:19:37.200she got me into the habit of consistency um i rethink everything now about my relationship
01:19:46.420with food what i'm eating what i'm consuming even when i travel i i make plans and i portion
01:19:55.260up food and every single day i exercise um i don't have a lot of money so i've found a lot of
01:20:03.660different, um, hiking areas in my area to go to so that I'm doing that. And some of the parks and
01:20:12.620around us have, um, gym areas in the park, which are completely free. So I've been doing those
01:20:20.540four times a week. And like I said, my having that support system, the consistency, the thinking
01:20:28.540about what you eat, keeping track of things. I have this whole plan about proteins and fat and
01:20:38.040fiber. And it's just completely different vision of the way I think now. And it's been really cool.
01:20:45.980My energy has increased. I've been so much happier. And I can't say enough about that
01:20:55.980bonding and that sisterhood group. It is an amazing group of women who are out there doing
01:21:00.540it with you. And they're all at different levels because everyone has a different goal0.56
01:21:04.780for their fitness, but it is absolutely amazing. And Mandy kind of spearheads that group and
01:21:12.620she's just, I can't say enough about Mandy. She's wonderful.
01:21:19.100you're very lucky i am extremely lucky in a lot of ways and mandy is a huge part of the
01:21:27.940part of the reasons that i'm lucky um mandy as a matter of fact got me on you know counting my
01:21:33.980macros and has helped me a lot with uh with my fitness stuff as well uh before i was so used to
01:21:41.940was scrawny and i was trying so hard to get bigger i got bigger and i got bigger in the ways that i
01:21:48.580wanted and i got bigger in extra ways too that i didn't want so you know i was at a point where
01:21:53.940i was just making sure i had enough protein in everything else be damned and i got enough protein
01:21:58.900in and i grew and i got enough other stuff in and i i grew in different in different dimensions so uh
01:22:06.900it she's really helped me get uh get my situation squared away over the past
01:22:11.460i don't know when she did that was probably
01:22:15.220time flies it's probably about eight years ago um but yeah it's made a big difference
01:22:22.820so the next question glad to see miss alt here again hail what is the current number of members
01:22:30.580and what's the percentage of kids boys versus girls nowadays on the topic of arranged marriages
01:22:36.900Thanks. So, current number of members. Let me just check to see if anybody has applied since we have been on the program. They have not. Current number of members is 862.
01:22:50.740um as far as percentage of boys versus girls i have no idea across the afa and there's not a
01:23:01.420really easy way to find that out um i mean i assume it is whatever the the general average
01:23:10.980is i don't know if the afa has a specific trend on that as far as our membership goes
01:23:15.820Sarah, in our homeschool situation, what's the number of girls versus boys, do you think?
01:23:36.660I know we definitely have more girls than boys, but I could not tell you the percentage of it.
01:23:45.820I'm trying to go through it in my head, and I can't.
01:23:59.140So we have an unknown percentage of boys and girls.
01:24:03.140But because we're in the AFA, there's just boys and the girls, which is awesome.
01:24:08.720Seriously, on the topic of arranged marriages, I think that a really hardcore, hyper-traditional way of doing that is probably not realistic.
01:24:24.500but what is really nice to see the more we come together as a faith community and the more it's
01:24:36.140treated like that specifically with the group of women that we talked about we have our women very
01:24:41.300often behind the scenes involved in matchmaking and trying to weave frith in that very traditional0.98
01:24:48.280way. And so we have some of those things starting to be encouraged in a healthy and well-meaning
01:24:56.200and reasonable way for modern times. So we do have, you know, the women of our AFA family kind
01:25:03.920of looking out for those things. We see that a lot with our young 20-somethings and 30-somethings.
01:25:12.160And, you know, we will see that as our children grow into maturity with, you know, the women of our church looking out for looking out for folks and trying to trying to make matches where where they think that would be advantageous.
01:25:27.420So I think that's a nice thing to see.
01:25:31.940OK, I just went through the list and I was wrong.
01:27:39.500And I think that mixture happened very, very early on.
01:27:45.460I think you find more people that are of original Aryan stock in isolated areas of Iran, but
01:27:52.980either way, I don't think that's what anybody's really talking about when they use the words,
01:27:59.920although I do think at a time that was very much the case. I think one of the things that's really
01:28:04.340interesting you point out, and useful for the gentleman's question earlier in the show,
01:28:09.660the furthest extent of the migrations of our people until we discovered America and Australia
01:28:18.080was Iran and Ireland. And in their native tongues of the people that migrated there,
01:28:27.180both names of both countries mean the land of the Aryans. So I think that's a really cool
01:28:33.460linguistic thing. And I do think there are still very viable remnants of that in Iran in different
01:28:38.880places um but that's not that's not the that's certainly not the typical of what we're talking
01:28:46.080about and i think that's that's kind of generally understood um
01:28:56.480so the next question from warren g i i don't think it's the real warren g but i couldn't be positive
01:29:04.880uh also about non-aryan europeans as well uh hun arians finnish sami estonians uh corellians
01:29:20.480so i think that they're and i don't know if this affects some of that population or not
01:29:28.720but i think we split hairs too much if we're only referring to arian peoples from the quote
01:29:34.000unquote arian migration period i don't think that tells the whole story i think that the old europeans
01:29:42.160are very much of the same stock as the arians that did the migratory pattern and i think you
01:29:49.760see that when they're when those two groups of people are reintroduced to one another
01:29:54.080during the migratory period and so i don't think that they are i don't think that they were separate
01:30:01.760people during the ice age and before i think perhaps after that a group broke off and did
01:30:11.920some of the the what we call the aryan migrations but i think the old europeans are from that same
01:30:17.360root stock and i think you see that in the in the commonalities but i'm not an expert on that so
01:30:23.600please don't regulate. Next question. Thoughts on the theory that ancient Aryans built many wonders
01:30:35.760of the world, such as Stonehenge and the Egyptian pyramids, using the advanced technology of
01:30:42.160Atlantis? This is a theory I see a lot in alt-right Odinist circles. Is this just wishful thinking,
01:30:49.440or do you think it is plausible if it seems like too much of a stretch what theories do
01:30:54.800you think are more likely sarah what are your thoughts on this
01:31:00.400i 100 think it's plausible but i also believe aliens could have helped and
01:31:08.720different other creatures that are mythical but that's my personal thought um chances are though
01:31:15.040it was more our especially with stonehenge it is our ancestors because it fits the other things
01:31:22.240that were done around that time i'm not sure on the egyptian periods pyramids to be honest with you
01:31:33.680so i think it's very i think it's very tempting to say yes ancient white people did all the
01:31:43.920cool things in the world i think that sounds awesome i think we all probably cheerlead for
01:31:51.040that and think that's really cool and i think that you find encouraging bits of archaeology that
01:31:59.440implies some of those things i think that's certainly what happens in some of the cases
01:32:05.120certainly with stonehenge and european things of that nature absolutely as far as the pyramids
01:32:10.880they go i mean all right so there's two parts of the question there's ancient white people stuff
01:32:20.040and then there's atlantis and i think that
01:32:22.800the atlantis myth is really interesting i would really like that to be true
01:32:35.360I think it's really cool. The idea that perhaps, you know, ancient Aryan Atlanteans went around the world and disseminated knowledge and technology that was able to build all of the cool stuff of deep ancient history.
01:32:52.440It's really fun, and I hope it's true.
01:33:02.380I don't see convincing evidence of its truth.
01:33:06.620Doesn't mean I've written it off as a possibility, but I don't have substantial enough reason to believe it's true to hitch my cart to that.
01:41:32.640Odin, Vili, and Vey killed Ymir, but Odin, Honir, and Lothar created Askenimbla.
01:41:40.060Are Honir and Lothar other names for Vili and Vey?
01:41:43.980I've seen Facebook pagans say that Lothar is Loki, but that's kind of heresy. It's not kind
01:41:51.220of heresy, it's just heresy. Why do they think that? What do they base that on? They reach out
01:41:57.160there to find some reason to justify their degeneracy. It's dishonest, and it's absolutely
01:42:03.060heretical. I do think that they are versions of Vili and Vey, and I think that if you read the
01:42:11.220myths. It's not just that Vily and Vey and Odin deconstruct Ymir, they're also involved in Asken
01:42:18.020Embla. Those are in two separate poems where the two, the different triad of gods is
01:42:25.220breathing in the different life forces into our most ancient ancestors. And yes, Odin, Vily and
01:42:34.240Bay is the way to go. I do think that, you know, Honer and Lothar are either a corruption of that
01:42:41.980or share the same meaning. Nothing has to do with Loki doing any of those things.
01:42:49.160There's not good logic that makes that make sense in a story context. There's not any
01:42:55.440linguistics that make that make sense. That's just modern degeneracy wanting to rear its head.
01:43:01.760So here's a question for you, Sarah. What do you think about the claim that other pagans from
01:43:12.080Europe, like Greeks and Romans, were okay with gay people? Do you agree with that or disagree?
01:43:19.560I disagree with it. This new concept of trying to make gay seem so normal that it's always
01:43:28.600been around and gay was the normal and straight was the abnormal just for breeding is just so
01:43:35.160bizarre to me that were there occasions where greeks or romans may have practiced some degeneracy
01:43:43.400probably but no i i 100 disagree with it
01:43:47.880Yeah, I so did people do gay stuff back in ancient pagan times? Sure, some people did
01:44:03.600that. I think in there were periods, and we know this is historical fact, there were periods
01:44:12.700where high society people got involved in degenerate behavior i think you see that much more
01:44:21.340in higher society than you saw in the everyday practice of our ancestors i don't think you see
01:44:29.900that very much in real in a religious context as being celebrated what you do see though that i
01:44:37.820that i think is interesting so for example if you look at celebrities today it is shocking how many
01:44:46.780of them get so wrapped up in their celebrity that they have to search farther and farther
01:44:54.220afield for more and more degenerate strange things to do i think you see that with
01:45:00.700all of the famous people hanging out with epstein
01:45:04.300I think that's probably something that's always gone on to a degree. There's been that allure for people with the power to do whatever they want. They exhaust anything normal, and then they start delving into some very strange things.
01:45:24.140What I think is important is in most all of those circumstances, it wasn't celebrated and there was a lot of rules to curtail it, being the age of the participants, what you were doing in public versus what you were doing in private.
01:45:47.620There was a legislative effort in most all of those societies to not celebrate that, to curtail it, and to certainly vilify the catching aspect of the pitchers and the catchers involved in that relationship.
01:46:08.820And you see that almost universally. If you were the female half, the female pretending half of the homosexual relationship, that was universally condemned by everybody all of the time.
01:46:27.620And it was something that you would see used in ancient Greece and in ancient Rome frequently as an attack on somebody politically.
01:46:38.060There have been times where, and we see that today, if you look at just a very short history of the United States, the homosexuality of 2023 is not indicative of what our culture was like 20 years ago.
01:46:57.620um so in a short amount of time you can see a really wide variety of that and different
01:47:04.460societies be them pagan or not have gone through you know numerous peaks and valleys when it comes
01:47:12.440to morality and ethics and and behavior and I I don't think we see that celebrated and I think
01:47:19.400that's you know I don't think that's the thing and I think that it's really interesting I remember
01:53:07.420And I'm not very familiar with Tom either.
01:53:13.420Yeah, I don't have a particularly strong dog in that fight, and I think that's kind of a misnomer.
01:53:33.440I don't think that the AFA ever claimed to know exactly where Kenamookman was from.
01:53:39.680What they did claim was there was obvious differences between his skeleton and Native American skeletons that reflect him being from a different group of people.
01:53:54.780There's always been a push to want to find out more, to want to look into that, and to want to consider whether he was a European, because he did have European features.
01:54:05.020Ancient North Eurasians, the part of Eurasians implies that there is at least a European
01:54:16.380connection for better or for worse on that. And so we know so little of very ancient migratory
01:54:24.860patterns of people. There is increasing evidence that there were a lot of different people
01:54:30.300in north america in the americas generally that weren't what you would
01:54:36.800what would be considered today as native native americans that it's really hard to hard to tell
01:54:45.160good night sweetheart um yeah so i i mean i think that's interesting i think one of the things that
01:54:55.540is our one of our virtues is truth and we would like to know the right answer i think the right
01:55:01.940answer is what's really important and honoring him in a way that's conclude that's uh consistent
01:55:08.660with the right answer the best right answer we had at the time was that he wasn't native american
01:55:16.580and that his features looked european um so that's what we were going with um i think we're
01:55:24.340all in support of a correct answer. The trouble is the powers that be in the United States and
01:55:32.360the political advocacy groups of the time wouldn't let that be the case. They stacked the deck as
01:55:41.660much as humanly possible to every single skeleton that is pre-1492 is absolutely an American Indian
01:55:50.800skeleton no questions asked and they refuse to you know actually and realistically examine the
01:55:56.640question there's a number of very shady things done to pollute the scene to contaminate the
01:56:05.200remains that they had to cover up the remains that they had to try to protect the political
01:56:12.080narrative that they wanted to be the case and i think that's the biggest thing the afa fought
01:56:16.320against for the time that we fought against it but i'm i'm unfamiliar with uh thomas's
01:56:22.080stance on that your question is the first that i heard that he has a stance on that
01:56:28.240um so the question the next question i thought that the government said aliens were real
01:56:36.480or am i wrong i i am unaware of the government saying that aliens are real i do
01:56:46.320know that recently, I said recently again, over the past few years, they have acknowledged more
01:56:52.960and more that UFOs are a thing and that there's been significant government investigations into
01:57:01.620them and they've taken them much more seriously than people think that they have. I just caution
01:57:07.560that, you know, because it's unidentified doesn't necessarily equal it being alien.
01:57:12.200It certainly doesn't preclude it. But Sarah, what are your thoughts on that?
01:57:20.220Yeah, recently they did acknowledge the sighting of UFOs, but it was always at strategic times,
01:57:26.700like something else was going on in the world. And then they'd announce, oh, by the way,
01:57:31.300we've had UFO sightings. So it's hard to take it seriously when there's something
01:57:37.240that they seemingly tried to distract you from so but they did i mean they did announce it in
01:57:46.780the regular mainstream news so yeah it's
01:57:54.700it's been convenient and i think that's
01:58:07.240yeah and and so follow-up question uh do you think things like ufo sightings are real
01:58:14.120or are people making it up or seeing illusions and the men in black people who are said to
01:58:21.640threaten and silence people who see ufos are they real what are your thoughts on those subjects
01:58:27.880sarah i believe that um ufo sightings are real um in general i do believe that there are some
01:58:38.600people that make it up to explain their absences from their loved one's life and they're were
01:58:45.960drinking in the backwoods and needed a good story to tell their wife when they got home
01:58:51.200But I do believe that a majority of the UFO sightings are real.
01:58:58.140I don't necessarily believe in a concept of the man in black.
01:59:05.540But I do think that in general, they don't want to be seen.
01:59:12.000And that may sound a little crazy, but that's what I think, that they don't really want to be seen because if they did, they would be.
01:59:20.200so those are my thoughts on it um yeah that's so again with ufos like i said a second ago i think
01:59:33.220you need to separate ufos or aliens people who see ufos i think there's a lot of people
01:59:44.460that see things in the sky that they don't know what they are and that many of us don't know what
01:59:51.660they are. That is true. That is factual. That happens. People seeing things in the sky that
01:59:56.840they don't know what they are. That's a thing. The further conclusion that these things are aliens
02:00:04.640or that these things are, you know, the UFO then descends and beams down stuff or abducts them or
02:00:13.180whatever else. Like I said before, there's, I don't believe those people are telling, I don't
02:00:27.100believe that what they're describing happened to them, but they believe it a hundred percent
02:00:32.200and they're not lying to me. So something happened to them. And I'm very curious what that is.
02:00:39.360um and that's kind of a strange gray area but i don't think everyone who claims to have had
02:00:48.440an experience with ufos or men in black or any of those things i don't think they're all i
02:00:55.520i know they are not lying many of them are but they are not all lying
02:01:02.340I also can't tell you that any of them are telling me something that actually happened
02:01:10.160in the way they are describing. But something happened. There's some reason that they're
02:01:17.500saying the things that they're saying. And I'm very fascinated in what that reason is.
02:01:22.780And I don't know. I think there is a lot of mystery in the universe yet for us to discover.
02:01:32.340And I think that that is one of those things that is a really, really interesting phenomenon.
02:01:40.960I can't tell you that I believe that aliens are interacting with these people or that there's this men in black force that goes out and tries to bully people that have these interactions.
02:01:55.020I can't tell you that that is the case.
02:01:57.400I can tell you that there probably are elements of the government and other powers that be that try to shut people up that have stuff that challenges their narrative or the acceptable narrative of what happens.
02:02:12.080But I don't know if we can put that in the same box.
02:02:27.400Do you like learning about early Indo-European populations like the Yamnaya people and the Bell Beaker culture and their Corded Ware culture?
02:02:38.780Sarah, do you like learning about those things?
02:02:46.920I don't know much about those things, but I like learning, so it does sound like an interesting subject.
02:02:57.400um I like learning about those things too um I think they're really interesting uh I
02:03:11.080I have found those particular subjects to be kind of dry and not
02:03:19.960told in a very exciting way or with enough detail to really get into them but I think
02:03:27.400And I think what we can learn from those cultures and their artifacts that we've been able to examine are really interesting, excuse me, are really interesting.
02:03:38.720I think one of the things that has interested me in those cultures has been their, you know, how they dealt with the dead in terms of ashes and urns.
02:03:51.520I think that's really interesting. And that's something that I enjoyed studying about early on.
02:03:57.160But it's been a little while since I've looked into those groups of people very much.
02:04:03.280But I do like learning about that kind of stuff. So that is something that interests me.
02:04:09.440The next question, what earned Aguil a place amongst AFA heroes? His story seems to have been
02:04:15.800less conflict regarding conversion than other heroes. Kind of got answered just now, but there
02:04:23.040are also heroes whose lives were dedicated to the gods without the threat of conversion.
02:04:28.360But Egil didn't have a particularly impactful display of loyalty to the gods.
02:04:33.400It's been a minute since I read his saga, though. So to be completely honest with you,
02:04:38.400the initial days of remembrance that I believe the Ausatru Free Assembly celebrated
02:04:48.640were at a time where quite frankly and to be honest there was a lot of Viking LARP going on
02:04:57.920and I think that Steve you know will admit to that that was a phase that a lot of people went through
02:05:03.900At the time, almost all of the heroes were selected out of the most of them were heroes that were martyred in the Heimskrangla and then a couple of extras.
02:10:51.760So the Germans of that time were certainly very advanced in terms of flight, in terms of rocketry, in terms of a lot of really, really cool things.
02:11:11.120And Wernher von Braun was such a huge force after the war in our space program.
02:11:19.040So there was cool stuff involving space.
02:11:54.040And something that, okay, and this is what I think is a truth.
02:12:00.760There was a generation of people that watched their country and their civilization and their whole world go from a really impoverished and a really bad place after the First World War.
02:12:24.880and they watched things exponentially get amazingly better and they watched so many
02:12:34.280things that made up their wildest dreams being achieved in 10 years and they saw such something
02:12:43.120that they felt was very very beautiful happen and it all came crashing down very very quickly
02:12:49.380And I think it shattered a lot of people mentally. And I think that a lot of people came up with
02:12:58.180very inventive and creative ideas in their head to try to negate that, or to try to escape from
02:13:06.640the reality that they saw around them. Whatever anybody's beliefs were,
02:13:12.020um vast chunks of these people's country was destroyed to rubble that was just a few years
02:13:24.520ago immaculate and amazing and a lot of people didn't know how to cope with that and i think
02:13:33.840that's really hard to wrap your mind around if you weren't in that situation but i think a lot
02:13:40.060people came up with some really really creative ways to escape from the reality they were facing
02:13:47.980and to pretend things weren't as bad as they were for them or that things that they loved didn't
02:13:54.140really die the way that they saw them die and so i think that that sprung up a lot of really
02:14:01.020really interesting fan fiction for lack of a better term but i i don't think that's a thing um
02:14:15.020yeah i it would take a lot more convincing for me to think any of that
02:14:18.620has a lot of merit and i haven't seen a lot of evidence to to demonstrate that that's true
02:14:24.780um where does the vns theme song come from it's a banger it really is it's super cool um
02:14:36.060i had this information handy and i think that nick if he wanted to and was going to do us an
02:14:44.060awesome favor because he's such a cool guy could probably pull that up and put it on the screen
02:14:47.740we have it listed because that's a condition of our using it in the description of each of these
02:14:53.600videos, but it's from a, you know, free to use for this kind of thing source. It's a piece called
02:15:00.940Legionnaire. And it really spoke to me. I really liked it. It captured the theme of kind of the
02:15:08.020attitude that I wanted this, this program to have. And I think it's amazing. And yeah, Nick may
02:15:14.960could find that information for you. If not, if you send us an email, we could give, aha, there he
02:15:19.980goes. There he goes. Didn't let me down, Nick. You're awesome. Thank you. From a good gentleman
02:15:25.900called Scott Buckley that makes a number of these instrumental pieces for this kind of a thing.
02:15:32.860But yeah, it's awesome. I absolutely love it. I'm glad you guys like it too.
02:15:42.300Next question. Operation High Jump actually lost units in Antarctica and
02:15:48.220uh forestall was suicides to shut him up the ufo aliens could be germans thoughts
02:16:01.180again that is the piece of it that i find really really interesting
02:16:06.940something happened with operation high jump something happened there was something there
02:16:11.980was it the german breakaways no because in the last 80 years we would have seen that'd be a
02:16:22.800thing in the last 80 years we would know about it that would all come out it would be a big thing
02:16:27.760was there something there something happened and i don't know what it was this is what i'm saying
02:16:33.560about do i buy into nazis in antarctica no do i buy into the hollow earth no do i think it was an
02:16:43.960alien fleet no but i know it wasn't nothing i know it was absolutely something what it was
02:16:53.400is fascinating to me and i will continue to watch stuff on it and be fascinated about it
02:17:00.040and hold out that little piece of myself to be skeptical and maybe there was something really
02:17:07.340crazy happening. And I hope there was. It's really, really interesting. And I'm not looking
02:17:10.940down on anybody who finds that interesting and goes down that rabbit hole. You can ask Mandy
02:17:16.640because every now and again, she'll come up on like suggested YouTube stuff or suggested things
02:17:22.980based on stuff that I've watched. And she just shakes her head at me because those are the kind
02:17:27.740documentaries that i will you know go to sleep watching and not making fun i am that guy that
02:17:35.260will watch all that stuff but i also don't necessarily believe most of it but i am very
02:17:41.580intrigued by it um what are your thoughts on operation high jump and what they may or may
02:17:47.980not have found sarah well i i think it's about what you said and um
02:17:55.740um I don't believe it was Germans in Antarctica I just I I don't I but I'm inconsistent because
02:18:03.660I believe Germans are in Argentina so I don't know I guess I'm all over the place on it they're very
02:18:10.680it's very interesting to think about but it's it's also very consuming and there's a lot of
02:18:16.620real world stuff so you know I I don't know that's the thing it's cool it's certainly interesting I
02:18:25.140a lot of us in life, we said that we didn't look into that or didn't find it interesting or didn't
02:18:30.200watch those things. I think it's really curious. I just think the explanations so far that I've
02:18:35.840heard are just fanciful beyond anything that makes any sense to me with my understanding of
02:18:42.220history and geography. And it's like the flat earth thing. I don't believe that. That's nonsense.
02:18:49.980that's completely ridiculous. I will go so far. That's not true. But it's really interesting to0.99
02:18:55.920me that some of these people come up with these really out there theories to try to explain it,
02:19:00.880but I just, that does not meet with the reality that my last, you know, 42 years have shown me
02:19:07.840in any way, shape or form. And I've traveled over the pole and I've traveled lots of places and
02:19:14.360that's just not how how things are um next question i don't doubt there are other species
02:19:23.240in the universe but tend to agree with jason georgiani that most of the strange things
02:19:30.760are being perpetuated by a breakaway advanced human civilization thoughts sarah do you think
02:19:37.560in any form there is a breakaway advanced human civilization involved in any of these things
02:22:08.600I don't think that's going to happen though.
02:22:13.300i think something else is more plausible you know like a virus that that takes over the world and
02:22:20.100and our governments make it seem worse than it is and they lock us in our homes to protect us and
02:22:27.140they destroy the economies so that we're dependent on the government and i think that's plausible
02:22:33.780no wait sarah that already happened i'm not sure i i lived i lived through that three years ago
02:22:40.340um yeah and i just for the record you can ask anybody i i called that immediately i still
02:22:51.620stand by that i want that in the annals of history um if
02:22:59.780If Agil Scalagrimson was around today, and if he believed that that supposed PSYOP was actually happening, I think he would absolutely be opposed to any psychological operation that was intended to trick people into the NWO.
02:23:23.660um i think a lot of that's kind of a leap but i do so here's the thing you know i've been
02:23:33.340debunking or you know criticizing a lot of these things i do think some of that is true
02:23:42.220not that it's a real thing but that it is in
02:23:48.100the one world government people's best interest to further the narrative of malevolent aliens
02:23:59.220to unite earth as seeing it as us versus them as earth being one people and the aliens being
02:24:06.720different people i think that is because i think that's an obvious play i think a lot of people
02:24:13.160have talked about it for a really long time i remember in high school a friend of mine who you
02:24:19.640know was not racially aware was like man you know all this all this nonsense we the earth would just
02:24:26.520be a peaceful place we'd all get along once we once we discover aliens then all that will be
02:24:31.640solved and we'll all just be one people against the aliens so i think a lot of people see that
02:24:37.320as an eventuality or on if this happened then that would happen and i absolutely think that
02:24:45.560you know i think that those folks will use anything that is useful to them to further a
02:24:51.080narrative something they'd like i think it is still so fanciful to most people that is much
02:24:58.520more likely to be other staged crises like sarah mentioned and like we've seen some of in the last
02:25:06.440couple of years um matt on a previous stream you seem to have a dislike for dave martell
02:25:16.040wasn't he the producer of steven mcnallan's show god's folk and destiny he seems like a cool guy
02:25:23.240um during the time he produced that show he did seem like a cool guy
02:25:28.840um but yes i have an active dislike for dave martell because dave martell likes to
02:25:36.440snuggle up to people that have a reputation or that are important in
02:35:02.980I'm watching literally all the VNS podcasts.
02:35:06.420I can't wait to reach the video on the runes.
02:35:12.440I wait patiently for a full-fledged part of the website discussing the folk futhark.
02:35:19.100Is pouring mead on an ash tree suffice for a bloat to Odin?
02:35:25.220Offering heartfelt words and mead to the tree.
02:35:29.100Thank you for all you do. I hope to play a bigger part with time.
02:35:33.920That is really nice. Thank you very much for your donation. Thank you also for taking the time to
02:35:42.240listen to the VNS shows. I've loved doing every single one I've been a part of,
02:35:48.620and I've tried to spy on slash interact in the comment sections with the few I wasn't able to
02:35:54.900be a part of because I had a co-host because I was traveling or a guest host because I was traveling.
02:36:03.920So, first, yes, the point is that you are reaching out honestly and from the heart to interact with one of our gods and making an offering.
02:36:17.720I think that a lot of people, if they don't have an altar set aside or they don't have a horde set aside in their yard, the default after that is to give that offering to a tree.
02:36:32.020I don't know why that is. I think that's kind of a natural thing for folks to do. I think that's
02:36:39.780something our people have always done. And I think it's something that left to their own devices,
02:36:44.860if people don't know any better, that's what they end up doing. So I don't think that's a bad thing
02:36:50.440at all. There's no way for you to reach out and hand it to Odin himself. So the best thing that
02:36:56.280you're doing is picking a special place and with intention, pouring it out there. And at the end
02:37:02.660of the day, I don't think, you know, Valhalla is not running short of mead. The offering that you
02:37:08.920make with the mead is, that is the point, the energy that you put into it and the pieces of
02:37:14.920yourself and your heart that you put into it. That's what matters. And I have to believe that
02:37:21.360the All-Father looks favorably upon that, and that that's a good offering and a great way to
02:37:26.820do it. I know that's what I've done many, many times. I certainly know that's what most all of
02:37:31.940us do when we start out. And I think that's absolutely perfect. And I commend you on actually
02:37:36.700going out there and doing that. The biggest thing, the hardest journey for so many people is that
02:37:42.540journey from the couch to the door. We could, and many, many people do,
02:37:49.980spent their whole lives intellectualizing and thinking what they should do and what it would
02:37:56.000be like if they did and how this ought to be. And they never actually do. They never actually
02:38:03.580participate. They never actually engage in the gift cycle. You have engaged in the gift cycle.
02:38:10.260And that is the first step. And congratulations for doing that. I think that's a really good thing.
02:38:19.980Yeah, do you have any thoughts on that, Sarah?
02:38:28.920I think that's a very good way to honor Odin and show him reference.
02:38:35.240Just going with the heartfelt words to him and the pouring out of the meat is good.
02:38:49.980yeah like i said i think that's really i think that when anybody does any of these things for
02:38:55.820the first time it feels different or outside of their norm and i think they wonder how other
02:39:01.820people do it and i think truth be told inherently we probably all started out doing it very very
02:39:11.900similarly that's because we're one people and that's because these things come from our folk soul
02:39:19.980The way that Aryan people, the way that white people experience religiosity comes from the same root and it displays itself in very, very similar ways, even separated by time, by space.
02:39:38.020If people had never heard that this is how other people do it, we would find ourselves doing it a very similar way.
02:39:45.720And I think that that is in evidence by your question.
02:39:49.980The next question, why was the Oust-True Free Assembly dismantled?
02:39:55.720And what inspired the resurrection of the Oust-True Focusing?
02:40:00.240So, this happened when I was about seven years old.
02:40:06.740So, I can't tell you with authoritative perspective from the first person.
02:40:14.620And I can tell you what I've learned talking to Stephen McNallan, which I've been able to enjoy a friendship with for a number of years, what he's expressed to me and what I've, you know, I think we've all read in his book, what I've talked to other people who were around at the time about.
02:40:34.300And I don't claim that this is 100% the truth as it happened, because again, I wasn't there.
02:40:45.080This is what I've been able to gather and understand over the years.
02:40:52.480So, and I've seen a lot of these things to be true with our people over the years, but we're growing and improving.
02:41:03.380Everybody, my understanding is that our people got really upset over anything involving money or anything involving Steve McNallan being compensated in any way for any of the things he was doing in running the Astro Free Assembly.
02:41:26.980yet he needed to spend a vast amount of his personal time doing it without the help of
02:41:37.960other people who didn't want to help and volunteer but when he suggested that he made
02:41:45.140any kind of financial money off of it everyone turned on him and got bitter and and grumpy about
02:41:54.840it and i've seen that um so he found himself doing all of the work but being criticized every time he
02:42:08.520wanted to be compensated if every time he wanted to you know make any money off of it every time
02:42:14.920he wanted to um you know anything that was perceived as him wanting to be special or
02:42:22.840him wanting to make any money or be the guy in charge everyone got mad and had this egalitarian
02:42:31.720thing yet they wanted steve to do all of the work and i say that not disparaging any of our elders
02:42:40.040who are part of that group i'm not saying that that's i think that that's very much how steve
02:42:45.560felt again i wasn't there and um that's the impression that i got please don't hold him
02:42:51.320accountable for these things i'm saying this is just the impression that i got so if i'm
02:42:56.760misrepresenting it please put that all on me um what also seems to be the case as far as the
02:43:05.560founding of the austro folk assembly so steve was very disheartened by that is my understanding
02:43:11.800and that really put a bad taste in his mouth he had you know given decades of his life to building
02:43:17.880this and was treated really poorly by the people that he had built it and were you know
02:43:25.000sitting under the tree that he had planted intended um so he went
02:43:32.200around the world he went to war zones he went uh writing he's an amazing writer and he wrote
02:43:38.600you know mostly articles but he wrote for a soldier of fortune magazine and some other things
02:43:43.000as a freelance author of articles as far as i understand so he traveled around he went to asia
02:43:49.880he went to africa he went to all these you know very volatile places and had these adventures
02:43:55.320kind of re-centering himself he never he never stepped back from our gods he maintained his
02:44:03.000relationship with odin during this time but it was hard for him and there was a lot of mental baggage
02:44:10.920and pain involved in Ausatru as an organized faith because he'd been treated relatively
02:45:01.280They started getting further and further away from any celebration of our folk and they
02:45:08.440became very quickly caught up with whatever was was pc at the moment or what was
02:45:18.680inclusive at the moment and that's not what else is true is supposed to be about
02:45:24.680and watching this go relatively unchecked for so long i think steve had some time to reflect
02:45:32.600on things that were done then that he would do differently now the things that worked then
02:45:38.120things that didn't and he wanted to start some things up again and the first step
02:45:44.760was restarting issuing uh the runestone and all of the old editions of the runestone certainly
02:45:51.080all the ones we've been able to find are in our library section on the house to truth uh runa
02:45:59.240runestone.org we have a library section that has digitized or you know copied and
02:46:08.840scanned in versions of the rune stones as much as we've been able to recover
02:46:13.560but that was a publication that he did for a long time and he stopped for a period
02:46:18.040and in the early 90s he started again and he started and sheila helped him with it and
02:46:26.760they discussed with themselves and intimate friends of theirs and whatever and over
02:46:35.160that Yule period, and this is why you'll find a different reckoning of the foundation date
02:46:43.940of the Ausch-True Folk Assembly. In the Rune Stone, you'll see like the December issue of
02:46:50.3601994 says, we're gonna start this new thing. We're gonna start the Ausch-True Folk Assembly.
02:46:57.160And then in January, or whatever the first issue is of 1995, you see, we have started. This has happened. So in that Yule period was when this became a thing in, I call it New Year's, New Year's Day in 1995 is what we're going with.
02:47:20.780um but yeah they there was a need to reassert focus house true and to kind of take back a role
02:47:33.100in steering focus house true and over the next i would say 10 years the afa went from just a group
02:47:41.920of people who would meet in california to the leading voice in focus house true to where now
02:47:48.320it it it is focused also true um and so that's that's what i've seen on that sarah do you have
02:47:56.240anything to add on that or is there anything that you saw from your perspective over your time being
02:48:01.680also true no um steve covers it in his book though so if anybody wanted to know more on the subject
02:48:15.200and and what happened and what he did in between and the reasons he came back
02:48:20.560you could read his book that i'm sure nick has a link to
02:48:26.640we keep testing nick today and he keeps coming out on top so i appreciate that
02:48:36.000um before i get to different questions i was looking over in the chat
02:48:52.560and barry the gentleman who asked the question about his near-death experience explains it a
02:48:56.960little bit more in the chat he says my near death is actually my reason for considering the gods real
02:49:03.600not sure what's real and what's hallucination but in what i saw i met with my grandfather
02:49:10.880and odin and witnessed hell waving me away
02:49:14.760if you do want to reach out to hell that's something i think that you should do privately
02:49:25.580in whatever capacity you feel you need to do. If you feel you need to give her a gift or an
02:49:34.200offering of thanks or whatever you'd like to do, I think that well-intentioned is appropriate,
02:49:40.000but I think that's probably something you do privately. But something else I noticed,
02:49:45.280I think that you need to give bloat to Odin. If you notice that Odin welcomed you back
02:49:50.940into the world of the living, then I think that's where I put a lot of my focus. And also
02:49:57.020that you met and interacted with your grandfather. That's one of the very, very common things that we
02:50:04.540see in a lot of near-death experiences is our ancestors that have passed before us, welcoming us
02:50:11.740and greeting us and interacting with us. And I think that's a very real thing. And I think it's
02:50:19.500something that we hear very often from people who've had that experience in their life.
02:50:24.020So I think that, you know, I would focus that attention on my grandfather and on Odin and,
02:50:29.340you know, do what you feel you need to do to make it right with hell if you think that's
02:50:34.200something you need to do. But that's where I put a lot of my focus, certainly where I put my public
02:50:40.060focus. I just felt that was useful going over there and seeing the rest of that conversation.
02:50:49.500Our next question. Are there AFA members in South America? Is the AFA site and other things
02:51:02.060in other languages like Spanish? If not, could that help increase members since not all of them
02:51:08.320speak English? So a couple of questions there. Are there AFA members in South America? Yes, there are.
02:51:15.420not nearly as many as i would like unfortunately but there are um there are afa members in south
02:51:23.880america we currently have two afa members in south america it's not an enormous number um we've had
02:51:30.880different folks in different places over time um we currently have a member in ecuador and we have
02:51:39.880a member i gotta check i gotta zoom in on the map here because he's super close to uh argentina
02:51:47.880isn't it yes but just barely he's like at the border of uruguay um so yeah we have two members
02:51:56.120uh we've had members in chile we've had members in brazil we've had a member in uruguay before um
02:52:05.320um as to your question on translation no they're not because that technology has kind of become
02:52:14.080obsolete Google translate translates whole websites now so it is much more efficient
02:52:22.840for anybody who is not an English speaker to use the Google translate to translate the website
02:52:29.140itself. That works really well, and I think that's the best way for non-English speakers
02:52:35.020to access the AFA site in their language.
02:52:43.660In regards to the Alvismal, would Thor protecting his daughter from a dwarf be a lesson on fathers
02:52:51.380making sure their daughters don't end up with someone outside the folk?
02:52:56.140Absolutely. I think that it could. Yes. I think it's, I'm not, I don't think necessarily that
02:53:04.900was the intention of it. I think it was, you know, them not approving of the match and it being a
02:53:12.000not suitable match. That is absolutely, I think, an appropriate lesson to learn from it or way to
02:53:19.780apply it. What do you think, Sarah? I think it's definitely an example of a father wanting the best
02:53:27.720for his daughter and her future. And he obviously noticed that it wasn't right and he did what he
02:53:33.940could to prevent it. There you go. And I think you can extend that to any poor, poor relationship
02:53:44.700choice that your daughter might find herself in. Is hell really part of the forces of chaos?
02:53:55.980It's likely a lot of us will end up with her. I don't think that inevitability
02:54:02.220is the measure of that or not. I do think that a lot of us will pass through her realm and I think
02:54:10.800that being respectful is certainly appropriate. I know that a lot of people certainly put her
02:54:18.960in that camp, or at least outside of the Shining Aesir in Asgard.
02:54:33.860Hell occupies a gray area that makes a lot of people uncomfortable. A lot of people will end
02:54:38.900up with her there's a difference between being respectful and actively engaging her in the same
02:54:45.620worship cycle that we do the rest of the ic here if that makes if that makes a sense and it's a
02:54:51.460it's a subtle difference i understand that if it doesn't make sense
02:54:58.420all right so these are this is an interesting question
02:55:02.260how do we deal with family members who commit homosexuality and miscegenation
02:55:06.820question. What about if one of our children grows up to choose that path? Do we disown them?
02:55:17.180I will start out first by saying there's no one size fits all only answer to that question.
02:55:26.120And it is a question that unfortunately a lot of people have to face
02:55:30.320in the day and age that we live in. Sarah, what would you say to that question?
02:55:36.820Well, first of all, it's very easy for me to sit and say what I would firmly and convictively do, but I have never been put in that situation.
02:55:49.160And as a mom, your bond with your child is a little different.
02:56:40.120I really hope that I don't have to face this exact decision at some point,
02:56:52.080and I think all of us hope that. I think many of us, unfortunately, find ourselves in that spot,
02:56:58.740And I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all answer. A lot of things depend, and I know this is kind of a cop-out answer. The best answer to that question is to do everything in your power before that happens to prevent that from happening.
02:57:25.000and one thing is all of the obvious things to make it clear that that's not acceptable but the
02:57:35.040other thing is don't push so hard that you put them in the position of to rebel against you
02:57:46.920pushing so hard making life choices that they can't take back and i think that's a really
02:57:52.840fine line and a fine balance. And I would caution against that. Your disapproval of those lifestyles
02:58:02.760are often much better seen as compassionate and principled stances as opposed to
02:58:14.700coming out as anger or hate-filled frustration. I think the harder you push and the more you make
02:58:25.140your push overbearing and negative, I think that that may very well put people in a spot where to
02:58:34.560rebel against you, they make choices that they can't unmake. And so I just think it's something
02:58:40.600be handled really delicately before they get there. I think it's also to make really clear
02:58:49.080in a very serious way and not in a ranting and raving way what your expectations of
02:58:54.760what's appropriate and what's not are and to stand by those firmly.
02:58:59.160if at the very least what I think is if you have a child who has chosen to do those things and be
02:59:15.880involved in those things you isolate that and you don't bring that around the rest of us
02:59:22.860you don't bring that around the rest of our kids and the rest of our families
02:59:27.240I think that's something you keep to yourself and you deal with within your family, but it does create a wedge and it isolates your children who've done that or pursued that lifestyle from being a part of our community with the rest of us and sharing in our faith and our church community, our AFA family.
02:59:52.140it cuts that off as a possibility. And that's really unfortunate. But that's a situation I
03:00:00.240really hope that none of you guys find yourselves in. And I know that's way easier said than done
03:00:08.680in this day and age. Come on, guys, ask something else. That's a real downer note to end the show
03:00:18.240on uh i see another okay i see another question in the chat um what exactly was the viking
03:00:32.000brotherhood was it a small group of people was it a recognized organization it was both of those
03:00:39.840things um my understanding is that steve's viking brotherhood only lasted for a few years
03:00:49.840and it was largely like him and a college buddy and it did get official recognition recognition
03:00:59.920as a 501c3 to my understanding but it was a very very small group of people but it was
03:01:07.280the foundation of what grew into in just a couple of years the austral free assembly
03:01:13.280but yeah i think it was much more of a a concept and an idea than it was an actual
03:01:19.840functioning thing in my understanding do you do you know any more on that sarah
03:01:27.280no i don't do they still exist because i could explore that first fall fest i went to that i met
03:01:34.480one okay so it was there was a group there was a group of people later in like 2012 or so
03:01:49.360in northern california there's a group of guys that wanted to start their own
03:01:55.360club or their own manor boon as it were and to use the name viking brotherhood and they
03:02:00.640got steve's permission to do that that group of people was you know relatively small i think maybe
03:02:08.160at its biggest like 10 or 12 guys um they were afa members at a time they broke away because
03:02:15.760they didn't really want to do churchy stuff they wanted to do bro time hanging out
03:02:24.320being kind of a mc but without motorcycles and i'm not really sure where they end up
03:02:33.920because they ended up leaving the astro folk assembly in like 2020 i want to say
03:02:42.800so i'm not sure where that group of guys is at today or if that's still a functioning thing or
03:02:48.800not but it was a they got permission to use the name but they were very much a separate thing and
03:02:54.960and not really related to i think the what the guy was asking about
03:07:26.380Rome and Constantinople were, or I guess at the time, that's ahistorical, Rome and Byzantium
03:07:33.880Rome, and they were pagan. All of the big cities of the time. Athens was pagan. Sparta was pagan.
03:07:45.960Alexandria was pagan. So I think that depends on what time you live in. In the world we live in
03:07:53.000today, in the West, with all of the terrible degeneracy, it's magnified in cities. It's
03:08:00.440lessened when you can find smaller, more down home, to use the expression, places out in the
03:08:07.020country in small towns. But I think that's a function of the world we live in. If we as a
03:08:15.280people reclaimed our birthright, reclaimed our faith and celebrated our faith and built glorious
03:08:21.440cities where Alistair True was celebrated and honored, I don't think that living in a city
03:08:26.540would be bad then. I think it all depends on the context. As it is now, I think living in
03:08:32.480smaller areas that are close to decent size, cities that have the amenities you want is
03:08:40.300probably your best bet as a compromise between the two. So you have the things from the cities
03:08:44.960that you want, but you also don't have to be mired in the degeneracy that we see there.
03:08:50.820But again, it all depends on time and place. And not every city is created equal and neither is
03:08:56.420every place out in the sticks. Next question. Do you think it might be time to go out in the
03:09:09.560woods and start homesteading and living off the land considering where our society is heading?
03:09:14.900No, I do not. I absolutely don't. I think that is escapism and I don't think it's beneficial.
03:09:22.600I think we are social people. We need community. Now, finding spots where you move closer to people that agree with you and closer to people that practice house are true. Absolutely. But trying to hide from society and run out into the woods. I don't think that works out well.
03:09:44.400I think that is a life of toil and difficulty and loneliness, and I don't see that working
03:11:07.240yeah if that's your dream go for it I mean I don't recommend it and I think that what Sarah
03:11:14.580says the idea of doing that with a group of people um what Tyler's doing up in Montana he's
03:11:21.620still around other humans and he's trying to bring his friends out there with him to build
03:11:30.300something that he's doing and that's kind of the dream of Sigurheim we're outside of
03:11:33.860you know we're not in a major metropolitan area we've got a small town close to us the more people
03:11:40.680the more afa people we can move into that county the more we can build our own village our own
03:11:47.120community there but we're also close enough within half an hour or so of you know towns that are big
03:11:52.860enough that have all the amenities and all the things we want you don't want to you know traveling
03:11:59.400time only goes one direction in in our in our existence and you can't escape modernity you
03:12:08.680can't turn back the clock how you shape the world that you're in how you deal with the things that
03:12:15.960present themselves is all that that it is for you to do and trying to build something special i just
03:12:21.960think that the more remote you are the less likely you are to have that community and our people need
03:12:27.240community we need each other the other thing is and sarah mentioned this too is most people ain't
03:12:33.240about that life most people who talk about spending sun up to sundown you know hewing logs and slopping
03:12:42.040the hogs and doing the homestead life it's a lot more work than most people think that it is
03:12:49.560some people are cut out for it but i don't think that that's the best way to go for the majority
03:12:53.480folks. Our next question, who else is coming to our annual Feast of the Einherjar? I'm excited
03:13:00.540to attend and meet our founder. That's going to be held in South Dakota, and I think Nick will
03:13:08.600probably put something up for us. But yeah, who else is going to attend that? If you want to
03:13:17.940attend that, November 10th through the 12th in South Dakota. You should reach out to your local
03:13:24.000folk builder. They can get you all set up. I am planning to attend that, so I'd love to see you
03:13:29.240guys. It'll be a really good event. What are some based films and books other than Conan?
03:13:39.160I really don't have any off the top of my head. Sarah, do you have any suggestions on based films
03:13:43.780and books? I recently watched a film called Red Bad, based on, obviously, the ruler that
03:13:56.560we have a remembrance day for. And that was actually very well done, and there weren't
03:14:01.320any, it wasn't a diverse movie. So I enjoyed that. Other than that, I can't, I'm sure there
03:14:10.260are others i just can't think of them right now yeah that's that's harder and harder to find i
03:14:17.460think that rather than finding ones that are are super based i think that the easier option is
03:14:26.740trying to find ones that are less less woke than others um unfortunately ah what do you think makes
03:14:39.380a new person the most comfortable at an event sarah welcoming them talking to them and
03:14:49.460we do a really great job of that our women are excellent at at first weaving and you enter our
03:14:57.380hops you are greeted you are welcomed um at the last event i was at at bouldershoff we had horn
03:15:03.700bearers that welcomed you personally handed you a hoard of mead and just sitting and talking and
03:15:10.500welcoming and we do a good job of that so i think that's what makes new people feel more comfortable
03:15:18.180plus we explain everything we do when we do bloats and rituals and assemble we explain it we just
03:15:26.820don't expect them to know and i think that makes people feel more comfortable with what's going on
03:15:32.260around them too. What Sarah said, honestly, I think that our ladies certainly lead the way in
03:15:41.020that they do a great job of that. I think trying to find a way to encapsulate it because it's not0.81
03:15:52.060it's not any one one thing um what i love hearing and i hear a lot from new people when it's their
03:16:04.700first time is that it felt like coming home and how welcome they felt when they got there i think
03:16:12.940a lot of people you know i've mentioned this before about fear but fear of the unknown is
03:16:17.740the scariest fear because you can fill in the blanks with whatever you don't like um
03:16:25.900going out and actually attending an event the overwhelming response is how warmly people feel
03:16:31.260like they were welcomed like you know they were they were at home and people you know welcome to
03:16:36.780write in and they they you know they felt so at home there and that feeling happens0.73
03:16:43.740you know the first few people you meet I think our women do a really good job of going and0.96
03:16:51.060bringing folks in and talking to them and oh you should talk to so and so oh I think you'd like0.99
03:16:57.020this I think you'd like that oh and and building those things and initiating those interactions
03:17:02.340but it depends who you meet first I mean I've seen a lot of our men do that too it's just you
03:17:09.200know, Hey, I'm so-and-so what's your name? Where are you from? Hey, welcome. And show you guys
03:17:13.240around. And it's because it's the right thing to do, because it's what we're wired to do.
03:17:20.640I think it works well. It just naturally works. We see the kids naturally get together with one
03:17:27.720another and play and go off and have fun. We see the men and the women just naturally
03:17:33.640start forming that relationship to where they feel comfortable. And it's hard to say, but it's
03:17:40.780real. It's tangible. I think most all of us felt it our first time in an event. And I would really
03:17:47.200encourage you to come out and give that a shot because I think you would feel that way too.
03:17:52.320Will it be a Hoff in Antarctica? If there are a significant number of our folk in Antarctica,
03:17:58.320we would love to have a Hoff in Antarctica. That would be awesome. But we would first need to
03:18:02.120have a realistic colony of lots of our people there to make that worthwhile. And I think
03:18:07.380it's probably a long way off. But I would love to see it one day when we have the people there
03:18:12.260to warrant it. Is there an AFA equivalent for atheists? What's the AFA's position on the
03:18:21.640faithless. So, no, there's not an AFA for atheists. For position on the faithless, I don't know quite
03:18:40.840how to answer that question. By our existence, our position is that the faithless are wrong.
03:18:47.980They are wrong because we know that our gods are real and exist.
03:18:53.920But that said, I think the biggest position that I have on the faithless, that we have on the faithless, we don't demand your immediate and full-throated, pious devotion to our gods.
03:19:11.560What we would really like and what I would very much encourage is for people to have an open mind and an open heart.
03:19:19.480And to make an honest attempt to connect with our gods.
03:19:27.060If that doesn't work out to your satisfaction and you remain faithless, so be it.
03:19:32.320But I think there's a very good possibility that if you truly have an open mind and an open heart and you reach out, our gods, your ancestors will reach back and something really special can happen in your life.
03:19:48.820So our position is to encourage people to be open and genuinely make the effort to try to take the first step in engaging that gift cycle and see what happens.
03:19:59.580And I think if it's done openly and honestly, you might be very surprised at the benefits that happen in your life.
03:20:17.320Next question, and I appreciate everybody threw out a whole bunch of questions so we didn't end on a sour note.
03:20:24.220Thoughts on this have them all stanza.
03:20:26.140There is no man so good that he has no flaw, nor a man so bad he's good for nothing.
03:20:33.980Do you think this could be misinterpreted to justify bad character and ignoble behavior?
03:20:45.700I'm sure it could be misinterpreted to do that.
03:20:48.580But I think that what it's actually saying is not everyone has their flaws, that there is no man that is totally perfect, and there is no person that may seem bad that doesn't have something about them that's redeemable and can be changed.
03:21:08.840Everybody has the capacity to grow and overcome things.
03:21:13.420And to me, that's what that would be saying.
03:21:15.860You can find good in almost anyone. And there is very few things that can't be redeemed from and find growth and faith again.
03:21:30.500yeah I agree with you on that people are bad people or people who are engaging in bad behavior
03:21:45.040are going to reach out and grasp anything they can to justify their stuff that doesn't mean it's a
03:21:50.980legitimate use of the stanza I think it's the point of the stanza is to not be so full of yourself
03:21:57.660and to realize that even the people that, you know, pretend they're perfect, if you look hard
03:22:05.680enough, we all have flaws. We all have areas. And just being honest, not areas we can be more
03:22:12.540perfect. We have areas that we flat out screw up in and should be better than. We all make mistakes.
03:22:19.460We all find ourselves sometimes doing the wrong thing or doing the cowardly thing or being dishonest or any number of things.
03:22:30.180And we all have room to improve and make those things better.
03:22:34.220And like Sarah said, even really, even people who've messed up bad and for a long time still have an opportunity to do good things and make a contribution.
03:22:47.840there's very few things that are so bad that you can't
03:22:53.280come back from now some of you got a lot further way to go than others
03:22:58.800but there's very few things that can't be redeemed in some way so i think that's the point of it i
03:23:07.200think that's the honest use of it and again anybody's going to use anything they can to justify
03:23:12.800bad behavior. That's the nature of people who are doing bad things. Misery loves company and those
03:23:21.200people, all of us, not just those people, any of us, when we're in the wrong, desperately search
03:23:28.520for some reason that we're not really wrong after all, that we're really doing the right thing
03:23:34.800because we found this this verse that says x it deludes ourselves and it's it's it's not
03:23:43.440an appropriate or fair use of it um i find this stanza goes along the same lot along the same
03:23:53.200lines no one is totally wretched even if his health is bad some find happiness in their children
03:23:59.920some in their kin some in their money some in their uh works well done
03:24:05.760thoughts on this do you have any thoughts on on that sarah
03:24:11.520i i think it's saying the same thing that we see just said that
03:24:20.240that everyone has something in a redeeming quality in there no matter
03:24:23.920how bad they seem to be there's something redeeming in there and you can come back from
03:24:31.660almost anything through through growth and and working at it and put your life back on track
03:24:38.360yeah well i mean it certainly pairs with the line above i think it's that but i think it's also
03:24:44.840advice to the hopeless. I think that if we only measure success or joy or a worthwhile life in
03:24:56.140one way, and all of a sudden something happens that we don't get to experience that, it's easy
03:25:02.240to think you've got nothing, nothing has meaning, and you might as well not be here.
03:25:08.280But this stanza illustrates that, you know, even if you've got poor health and you can't get around as well, you can take joy in watching your children be happy and live their life and enjoy things.
03:25:25.580You know, some people can rejoice in the deeds they've done.
03:25:29.740Maybe they find themselves poor at the end of their lives or they don't have family, but they've done great things.
03:25:35.260Well, you can celebrate that and you can take hope from that.
03:25:39.800You know, maybe you haven't done any of those things, but you've amassed a fortune that you can pass on to your children so they don't have to struggle, so they can start out ahead in life.
03:25:59.640It reminds me of another stanza that talks about how, you know, even the, you know, even the crippled can tend the fire.
03:26:08.760You know, all these people who are disabled in different ways still have ways they can contribute, but the dead man can do nothing.
03:26:18.220There's nothing that the guy who's dead can do to contribute anymore in this world.
03:26:22.580So it's important to take advantage of what you have instead of worrying about what you don't have.
03:26:28.040And I think that's kind of an important thing that points out.
03:26:34.820Thoughts on white nationalist Christians who say, claim that Christianity is the right religion for Europeans because Christianity prevailed in Europe and paganism failed.
03:26:47.500What are your thoughts on that, Sarah?
03:27:21.060and they're just wrong here's a secret good guy doesn't always win you've got to be persistent
03:27:30.920and you may end up winning over the long term the exact same people who say that about christianity
03:27:39.180champion political systems and countries that didn't win in the conflicts that they were in
03:27:48.680So I think that the logic is inconsistent. I think things are right because they're right.
03:27:57.000Consistent winning and losing is evidence of some things, but it's not the only thing.
03:28:06.900I think that's kind of an easy argument for them to remain doing something that they're comfortable doing.
03:28:17.280But I don't think it's intellectually honest. And the other thing is, what's a much better lesson to learn is, why did Christianity win out over paganism in the time that it did?
03:28:31.500And that answer may be different in different countries and different places, but learning that strategically and tactically, and applying that to our future is a valuable thing to learn.
03:28:43.460you learn a lot more and we celebrate victory on this program. Absolutely. But you learn a lot more
03:28:52.860from defeats and setbacks than you do from successes. And I've learned that in my life.
03:29:03.680Learned that from fights I've been in. You know, I can tell cool stories about fights that I've won
03:29:09.120and that's awesome. But I learned from the fights that I didn't win or when I didn't come out on
03:29:15.980top. And I was lucky the times I was in fights, I was bouncing and I had a team of 13 guys.
03:29:21.280I didn't ever lose that bad. But the times that I did, that's when I learned. Those are the times
03:29:28.260that helped me grow. So I think it's really easy to make that statement. But something else that's
03:29:34.540also a truth is just the way history and time works. Nothing stays on top forever and is always
03:29:43.620there. If you pick anything historically, you can find a point where it collapsed or it broke down
03:29:51.060or it didn't work out because eternity is a very long time. I think it's very arrogant to suggest
03:29:58.540that, ah, Christianity is the way to go because Christianity was cool for 1,500 years.
03:30:05.320Yeah, but Alistair was cool for thousands of years before that.
03:30:10.980And when we look at it a thousand years from now,
03:30:16.140will we be able to say the same for Christianity?
03:30:21.280Or was its time that window of, you know, 2,000 years, 1,000 years in some places?