Asatru Folk Assembly - 9⧸27⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 64 - Egill Skallagrímsson

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00:03:00.000 Hello, everyone, and welcome again to another exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:13.100 We have a last-minute substitution tonight.

00:03:16.420 James Ault was originally going to be on here and talk to us about Agil Scalagrimson,

00:03:21.740 but he got called away for work, and his wife, Sarah, is here to fill his shoes tonight.

00:03:29.160 Welcome, Sarah. We're glad to have you back on the program.

00:03:34.180 Hello.

00:03:37.100 If there's any ruckus on my end, I got my daughter hanging out with me and playing with some stickers. 1.00

00:03:43.320 So she might make a little bit of squawking. 0.58

00:03:49.080 Trying to think if there's updates this week.

00:03:51.140 As always, wherever you find this program, if you are watching on Entropy, VK, Odyssey, Twitter, YouTube, or Rumble, we're happy to answer any and all of your questions on any of those platforms.

00:04:10.880 If you want to participate in our super chats or if you want to throw some money our way, we always appreciate that.

00:04:18.640 You can do that on Rumble and on Entropy. Coming up at, it's not quite October yet, but at the end of October, the very last weekend of October, we have Winter Nights. It's going to be held at Sigurheim this year for the first time. And we're very excited about that. We would love to have you all out to that if you're able to make it. So please reach out to your folk builder and find information on making that happen if you're interested.

00:04:46.280 it. Also, before we get into the main topic of conversation tonight, what I'd like you to touch

00:04:54.200 on briefly, if you could, those of you who may not know, Sarah is a very important part of our

00:05:00.080 Alsa True Academy homeschool program. How is that looking this year? This is our first year

00:05:06.800 managing multiple grades. How are things going? And what should the folks know?

00:05:12.080 um it is going very well we had an incredible successful first year with the the kindergarten

00:05:21.300 class we had a lot of positive feedback from the parents and it is an amazing program it is a

00:05:28.320 complete curriculum you it is completely free to afa members and this year it covers kindergarten

00:05:37.540 through third grade. We are currently at 31 students, and I just got another inquiry today.

00:05:45.960 So hopefully that'll be going up, and we're incredibly proud of it. And not only do you

00:05:51.300 get the amazing homeschool program based on Aussitrew for free, you also get an amazing

00:06:00.360 support crew. We have Sheila McNallan, who used to teach. We have Gothi Rob Stamm, who

00:06:08.600 is amazing. And we have Rachel Johnson, who is the most incredibly informed homeschool person

00:06:17.700 I have ever met. And she can answer a multitude of questions and she can reassure you. And

00:06:24.880 because it is a little overwhelming for the parents sometimes, and she helps you get organized,

00:06:30.840 helps you deal with the laws in your state, and it is incredible. I can't say enough about this

00:06:38.260 program. So if you have kids, you're thinking homeschooling, send an email to what Nick put

00:06:45.700 on the screen. We are very, very proud of you guys and what you're doing, and it's one of those

00:06:51.980 things that i don't think gets nearly as much attention and as much uh light shown on it as

00:06:57.740 i'd like to show because it's something that we're you know it's it's strange when you compare it to

00:07:05.580 the different things that we do i i don't know that it's more important than us getting hoffs

00:07:11.420 but i think it's in the end going to be much more important than any single hoff we have certainly

00:07:17.440 I think that the dividends, you know, of the homeschool program are going to be paying off in, you know, 10, 15, 20 years in a really, really big way.

00:07:26.400 And I'm so excited for the work you guys are doing. You're doing amazing.

00:07:29.840 One thing that I really want to emphasize about it that I think is so important, and Rachel's a big part of this.

00:07:39.500 Our folks at the Astro Academy will hold your hand through the whole process.

00:07:44.660 As a father who's going to homeschool his daughter through this, one of the things I've always been very reluctant or nervous about was, you know, hoping that I'm doing everything right to where it counts in the state that I'm in, to where it's compliant, to where I can handle all the things.

00:08:05.160 It can be overwhelming, just the idea of it's overwhelming, but we've got good people who've been through this, who can hold your hand, help you get everything squared away and really be a partner in your homeschooling experience with your child.

00:08:18.020 And that's what we're doing our very best to do. And we've got an amazing, amazing team working on that.

00:08:23.940 We really do. And on MeWe, we have a parent support group for the academy. And what I've noticed this year is it's very active with parents supporting other parents.

00:08:34.380 and that helps tremendously to know that other people in your area are going through the same

00:08:39.860 thing and they can help you with planners and and you know help i need a lesson for this and

00:08:47.300 this is what i did and it's just cool to see the parents interact

00:08:50.320 and the really cool thing i'm sorry matt i really no no you're fine there's go ahead please but

00:08:58.480 in minnesota we have enough members who have children in it that they're going to start doing

00:09:05.360 field trips so the aussitrew academy is going to have home school field trips and i just

00:09:11.680 this is amazing to me and i can't wait till every state is able to do something like this

00:09:17.200 i mean this is this is the start the improvement uh since last year is tremendous

00:09:22.160 just the experience gain, the fact that we've opened it up to three additional years of

00:09:28.700 curriculum in that time. Those you may not know, we're doing K through third at present.

00:09:37.380 We will at the very least have K through fourth next year. But as it stands now,

00:09:42.780 if you've got kids K through third that you would like to homeschool, please reach out because

00:09:47.920 it's so important and it's more important now than it's ever been.

00:09:52.160 So if that's something that you're interested in doing, we would love to help you do that.

00:09:58.320 Oh, and also like for next year, you know, the plan is K through four, but we are working very

00:10:04.180 hard to make that K through six and at a preschool. I would, I would not be surprised if all of those

00:10:11.600 things happen. They will happen. You guys have a track record of overperforming. So that's awesome.

00:10:18.200 um no that's very proud of you guys that said

00:10:24.440 we have so tonight and i should have prompted nick to be kind of prepared with a link for this

00:10:35.400 i'm sure you guys can find it yourself though but uh one second sweetheart um our hero for this

00:10:43.440 evening is celebrated with his own saga in a way that our previous heroes haven't been. So to

00:10:52.300 really do a deep dive and to get the full A.L. Scallagrinson experience, reading his saga,

00:11:00.300 it's one of the first ones I read. It is exciting. It is certainly a fun read. It's not any kind of

00:11:06.900 dry history. It is an exciting story of a very, very exciting and compelling man. So I would

00:11:17.740 encourage all of you guys to read that if you haven't or reread it if you already have. And in

00:11:23.680 case our audience is completely unfamiliar with Agil, can you, I don't know, tell folks about

00:11:31.820 him and what what they need to know assuming they've never heard of him before okay so he was

00:11:39.000 born in ice in he was born in 1902 a.d and he started composing poetry at an extremely early age

00:11:47.760 three and it seems that his first poem was written as a defiance of his father

00:11:55.720 He was told that he could not go to a gathering because he didn't know how to behave in public.

00:12:02.780 So he snuck out of the house and went.

00:12:05.700 And when he left, he composed this poem.

00:12:10.000 Here I am at the hearth of my host, the generous one who grants gold to heretic men, free-handed fosterer.

00:12:18.740 You'll find no three-year-old babe among bards more brilliant than me.

00:12:25.720 So he started at his very young age and the next part takes him to when he was six and he had been playing a game with kids a little older than him and he was winning and the boy that he was playing with cheated.

00:12:42.560 So basically, he ran home, got an axe, and killed the boy.

00:12:51.440 And his mom was actually very proud of him for that, because he had the makings of a real Viking, for lack of a better word.

00:13:01.180 Now, throughout his life, he exhibited berserk behavior.

00:13:06.620 And a lot of the talk in the saga has to do with his large head.

00:13:12.560 And they refer to it, and he refers to it as his poem, as a large, unattractive head.

00:13:21.260 They're kind of thinking that he had a disease called Peggett's disease, which causes the thickening of the bones, which would explain his sudden bursts of anger and the fact that he was so good in battle.

00:13:42.560 Let's see. He started Viking life as a teenager and happily followed the calling until he reached middle age.

00:13:50.380 We know a lot of him because of the stories that was written down.

00:13:56.220 It is thought that Snorri Sterlinson is actually a descendant of his.

00:14:04.060 Now, he fought and led many Viking raids throughout most of northern Europe.

00:14:09.460 His violent, successful career took him to Norway, Sweden, Denmark, England, Saxony, and Persia.

00:14:16.900 He fought as a mercenary for King Asselstyn, the King of England.

00:14:22.460 He killed a royal berserker of the King of Norway in a duel,

00:14:27.520 and once literally chewed through an opponent's neck in a ferocious hand duel.

00:14:34.440 He was a very dangerous person.

00:14:39.460 Yet, for as dangerous as he was, he had some very deep human feelings and emotions.

00:14:58.480 He was a very loyal friend, and he was very loyal to his family and to his children.

00:15:06.740 When his older brother died, he conveyed his sorrow through a poem that starts,

00:15:13.760 The ground will grow over my brother when, deep as my sorrow is, I must keep it to myself.

00:15:20.620 He developed a lifelong friendship with a man named Soroson,

00:15:26.920 and they protected each other's back through their long relationship.

00:15:31.260 After another number of decades of close friendship between the two men,

00:15:34.700 he retired in honor from service and returned to his states in the area of Norway.

00:15:41.360 For the occasion, he composed a poem called Ode to Ehrenborn in praise of his great friend.

00:15:51.520 By my side, better than ever, every other spreader of treasure stood my loyal friend

00:15:57.720 who I truly trusted, growing in stature with his every deed.

00:16:03.060 he enjoyed a very close relationship with his parent with his children and when both his sons

00:16:09.820 died unexpectedly he retired to his bed in grief and despair and he hoped to die of starvation

00:16:17.480 finally one of his daughters tricked him into eating and encouraged him to write a great

00:16:22.940 poem in memory of his sons to ease his growth grief the poem is called the lost of my sons

00:16:30.280 he was also very much in love with his wife

00:16:36.240 he wrote a poem to her that's that says when young i would easily dare to lift the steer cliffs

00:16:47.100 of my brow now i must conceal in my cloak the outcrop between my brows and when she enters the

00:16:53.560 poet's mind. They were married and stayed so for their entire life together. There is no mention

00:17:01.640 of any other woman in his life. Friendship mattered a lot to him, and he often stood

00:17:12.480 in the stead of duels for weaker men, and he always ended up the better for it. He

00:17:21.360 He cut off the leg of one man in a duel, and he took the responsibilities that come with true friendship seriously.

00:17:31.620 He could be very kind.

00:17:34.600 Once he was staying with a family friend, he noticed that their young daughter was very sick.

00:17:40.660 He offered to heal her and asked that she be given fresh bedsheets.

00:17:45.900 Then he cut ritual ruins for her, which he put under her pillow.

00:17:49.340 Soon after, she quickly came back to health.

00:17:55.660 After a successful career, he retired to his farm in Iceland.

00:18:00.480 He lived well and, for the most part, peacefully into old age.

00:18:04.960 He died shortly before his 90th birthday, 10 years before Iceland turned to Christianity.

00:18:12.080 he continued to write into his old age and showing his sense of humor often there's one

00:18:22.920 poem that says time seems long and passing as I lie alone a senile old man on the downy bed

00:18:30.460 my legs are too frigid widows those women need some time so he had the duality of his life he

00:18:41.320 You know, he was able to do the violent stuff that was needed of him, but he also had the softer side where he had loyalty to his family and his friends.

00:18:52.920 And I touched on it when he healed the girl, but he was very much, he knew his runes very well.

00:18:59.800 he had a very good mastery of them and other than healing the girl he also

00:19:07.480 used ruins while he was raising a netting pole against king eric blood axe and his and the queen

00:19:15.800 um

00:19:19.720 he used ruins for love spells and that he was very well with the ruins

00:19:25.800 and the story of that i didn't know about him is they were constructing his children ended up

00:19:37.160 turning to christianity and they were constructing a chapel on the homestead and so they had his body

00:19:43.200 exhumed and they had taken his skull and they hit it with an axe and because of the thickness of the

00:19:51.380 bone from the disease he had, the skull ended up turning white, and it is in a museum today.

00:20:01.940 His homestead can be visited in Iceland, and I believe that's all I have, Matt.

00:20:11.600 Excellent. I appreciate you coming on and talking about him this evening,

00:20:17.640 And it's great to have you on for other things and to talk about the Academy and everything else.

00:20:25.880 But I'm really hopeful that folks who listen to this will go out and read Egil's saga because it's really cool.

00:20:33.860 It's one of the most substantial and in-depth and just exciting and all over the place sagas that we have.

00:20:41.500 It's he lived such a such a full and complex life of adventure, you know, literally since he was a little kid.

00:20:52.060 And it's it's really cool to read about. Also, in his his rune mastery, he once carved carved runes on a horn he was going to drink from.

00:21:01.960 It turned out to be poisoned and the horn when the poison was in the horn, it burst because he he carved the protection runes in it.

00:21:09.540 So that's one of the things, there's a lot of, you know, very exciting warriors and poets and heroes in our stories, but we reserve our days of remembrance for ones that also had a particularly also true element to their lives.

00:21:28.600 and his being an odin's man since he was much since he was very young and fought through his

00:21:36.720 family because he's from a from a line of berserkers um is telling and something that

00:21:42.960 stayed with him throughout his life and he you know he lived at a tumultuous time where conversion

00:21:48.860 was was going on everywhere and uh you know shortly after his death overtook you know the

00:21:55.760 last refuge of Alsatua in Iceland there. So it's very important in that way as well.

00:22:03.940 We've got some questions already stacking up. First one, it's been over a year since

00:22:11.380 Victory Never Sleep's first debut. Can you reflect on how far the podcast has come?

00:22:17.520 How have things changed since its debut and what plans or ideas do you have for future episodes?

00:22:25.760 And first, it it has been it's been such a pleasure doing it and something that, you know, all of us started out with no experience at.

00:22:45.280 And we we had an idea and we jumped right in and tried to do our best on it.

00:22:49.920 And I'll tell you what, Nick has blown it out of the water since day one with all of the back end management of things, with making the little pictures to advertise each episode, with contacting and, you know, and corralling us that got to do this on Wednesdays and keeping up with the chats.

00:23:13.880 Nick has really gone above and beyond, and he's always behind the scenes, and it's very hard to

00:23:20.440 really appreciate all the work he puts in on it, on top of all the other work he puts in for the

00:23:26.440 AFA. So thank you so much, Nick, for all that you've done to make this so successful. One of

00:23:33.220 the biggest changes that we've seen since we've started actually is, you know, I couldn't tell

00:23:40.080 exactly how old i think like a week and a half old or something not even that old but

00:23:47.360 all the little uh shorts and clips that are getting made out of these episodes and that is

00:23:52.400 hours and hours and hours of effort by nick behind the scenes to make those happen and that seemed to

00:23:59.280 really increase our reach increase you know our algorithms get more people to see the show listen

00:24:08.000 to the show know about who we are and what we're doing and that's you know one of the big reasons

00:24:15.200 we started doing this um the audience has been awesome uh we we appreciate all the people that

00:24:24.720 we get you know at random that show up but we have a couple we have like a handful of of people that

00:24:31.200 are here every single week, participating, asking great questions, really being part of this. And

00:24:40.400 one thing that, you know, I guess it should go without saying, but I don't think we often think

00:24:47.040 about it as much as maybe we should. This is an audience participation program. I've never been

00:24:55.860 one that somebody says, you know, Matt, here's a topic, go give a presentation on it. That's not

00:25:00.700 really my thing. I am much, much better at taking questions and having a conversation.

00:25:06.440 And so that's why we set up the show the way that we did with it being so much question and answer.

00:25:11.340 And so that necessitates that we fill the show with you guys asking really good questions

00:25:21.500 or not so good questions, whatever you guys want to throw at us. But you all is doing that

00:25:27.080 participation makes this happen um some people get grumpy that these are just too long for them

00:25:33.320 they're welcome to watch them over time everybody you know you do you but i sometimes i'll listen to

00:25:38.200 podcasts over the course of days if they're long but they're able to be as long as they are because

00:25:43.880 you guys fill the chat with questions and you guys keep the conversation going and that typically

00:25:49.160 dictates how long one of these shows is or isn't um getting a little bit too long last week last

00:25:55.400 week was our record and i think it was what seven hours 26 minutes and change that was that was a

00:26:03.240 lot that was that was a lot it was a lot for nick it was certainly a lot for spawn over there on the

00:26:07.640 east coast it was a lot for me and uh i'm i'm over on the west coast so it it was a lot but we like

00:26:14.200 to stay on until all your questions are answered that's really important to us so that's a thing

00:26:18.200 um it has been very gratifying for me this is this is what i love this is this is my life and

00:26:26.900 getting a chance to talk to you guys about this and getting a chance to explain this and answer

00:26:34.280 questions is it's such a fun thing for me that i look forward to and i talk to some of my very

00:26:42.220 favorite people on this program and getting to do that and spend an evening with you guys once a

00:26:47.400 week is really special to me. And the fact that we've gotten so much good feedback and so many

00:26:51.720 people have enjoyed and gotten value from what we're doing, that means a lot. And I'm really

00:26:57.580 glad that we have that opportunity to be there and do that for you guys, with you guys.

00:27:04.160 But yeah, I'm kind of overwhelmed with how successful this has been over the last year.

00:27:08.000 I hope that stays up as far as future plans.

00:27:10.240 i wish but as stuff comes up i'm always hungry for you know ideas or topics honestly between

00:27:20.160 you and i a lot of the time the topic is just an excuse to get one of the people on here that i

00:27:24.020 want to talk to you guys the topic's important we like the topic but if you'll notice we spend

00:27:29.120 more of the time asking questions that aren't directly related to the topic at hand but the

00:27:34.300 topic is a really good conversation starter that can lead down some really good and really

00:27:39.780 meaningful roads. Our next question is from Goethe Trent East. Sarah, what's been your

00:27:47.540 favorite or proudest moment as a folk builder for our glorious church?

00:28:06.740 Sarah is in deep thought on this question.

00:28:09.780 You cut out for a minute, so I wasn't sure if you asked the question.

00:28:15.280 Yes, I cut out on the whole question.

00:28:18.020 That was my fault, I guess.

00:28:20.320 I apologize.

00:28:21.380 So Trent wants to know, what's your proudest or the greatest moment that you've had as a folk builder with the AFA so far?

00:28:32.820 Oh, okay.

00:28:34.060 There's so many.

00:28:35.820 Obviously, the Academy, but we talked about that already.

00:28:38.400 And I am very fortunate and lucky to be a part of a Ladies Mysteries podcast that we have once a month that it's for just the women in the AFA and it teaches them the basics of Ossitru.

00:28:54.180 It teaches them the mysterious things that women do and it really shows them and involves them women as a part of the AFA and a part of Ossitru.

00:29:07.500 and that's very important but one of my proudest things i was actually thinking about the other day

00:29:13.980 i went to my very first fall fest in 2019 and that is when i first met brandy callahan

00:29:22.620 she was helping with the kids crafts and i was just in there kind of volunteering

00:29:26.540 and her and her sons they just seemed like really nice people and then in fall fest of

00:29:34.140 2020 uh i got married at fall fest and she got both as a folk builder

00:29:44.580 and then when baldursoff was dedicated she got ordained as a githia and the very first

00:29:53.480 elsie fest in wisconsin it uh she was made a witten so she i am extremely proud and thankful

00:30:02.960 that Witten Brandy Callahan has been weaved into my life so much.

00:30:09.000 She is someone I look up to.

00:30:12.000 She is a friend, and I can't imagine the AFA without her,

00:30:18.420 and I wouldn't want to, or my life for that matter.

00:30:21.060 So I am very proud to know her, and I guess that is one of the proudest things.

00:30:29.500 Me too. Brandy's pretty awesome. 0.56

00:30:31.860 uh speaking of brandy she says sarah you're looking gorgeous could you tell us why you

00:30:38.980 enjoy folk building and why it's so rewarding i enjoy um i am very excited about the afa and

00:30:53.140 i enjoy being able to share that with other people i enjoy meeting members and

00:30:59.300 everything else that comes as a part of folk building. The bonding with other leadership

00:31:06.140 is amazing. Especially the ladies of leadership are just incredibly strong people. And I really

00:31:16.540 enjoy that. That's one thing that I don't know if everybody

00:31:27.620 on the program is aware of i think a lot of our our members are aware of but one thing that's been

00:31:34.100 really cool to see and i'm getting old and i remember when i remember when people my age

00:31:43.300 used to say this when i was much younger and it went in one ear and out the other but

00:31:47.940 the older you get man time flies so it it's hard for me to think when i'm like ah you know it's

00:31:54.820 last year or so and it turns out it's like four years so i don't know anyways relatively recently

00:32:01.140 in the afa our women have really developed such a strong bond we've got a lot of groups for just

00:32:08.660 our ladies both in person at events but also online to where they're able to share with each

00:32:15.060 other share you know special things that happen in each other's lives learn together grow together

00:32:21.860 and i've seen that be such a such a beautiful thing at least from from where i sit and you

00:32:27.700 know we try to try to stay out of that and let the ladies have their space on that so i you know i

00:32:33.460 don't know all of the details of it other than everybody tells me that they love it and they

00:32:37.780 get so much out of it uh next question would you ever consider doing vns episodes for our mythic

00:32:46.420 heroes such as Sigurd and or Beowulf. Absolutely. I would love to do an episode on both of them.

00:32:54.180 And as a matter of fact, I will, from this moment until they come out, work on getting those

00:32:58.540 scheduled. I think those are really good things for us to talk about. And I would love to,

00:33:04.940 to celebrate them on this program. So absolutely, I will do that. And I appreciate the suggestion.

00:33:16.420 matter of fact i've been thinking a lot about beowulf lately um no particular reason i just

00:33:24.740 really have been so uh yeah i'd love to talk about that on one of these episodes i'll try

00:33:29.420 to get one of those pretty soon oh we have brandy brandy does an amazing

00:33:36.180 So I don't know if you cut out or if I did, but last thing I heard was Brandy does an amazing.

00:33:53.660 Yes, I was just saying that you should have Brandy do the Beowulf one, but I got to warn you,

00:33:59.100 it's going to take at least nine hours, at least, if not four episodes. So honestly,

00:34:07.760 the things she picked out of that story are just amazing. We may very well do that. I may

00:34:14.320 talk to her about that when we get off the program. We may even break it up into three

00:34:19.700 episodes because it's basically a three act story. So we'll see what we can do on that.

00:34:25.720 think that'd be a really good idea next question have you been to

00:34:32.840 borgerfjord museum in iceland the whole basement is dedicated to the sagas and a large portion

00:34:39.560 for egil i have not i've never been to iceland i've seen it from the air flying over it that's

00:34:46.520 about the closest i've been in icelandic airspace i think about that's about the closest i've come

00:34:52.360 Sarah, have you had the chance to travel to Iceland and see that museum?

00:34:57.820 No, no, I have not been out of the United States yet.

00:35:02.320 Okay.

00:35:02.860 Well, except Canada, but I don't think that counts.

00:35:08.680 Fair enough.

00:35:09.520 Well, I would love to see it one day.

00:35:11.240 I've heard really good things.

00:35:13.000 Honestly, I'm aware of that museum.

00:35:15.700 I've just never been there, but I've heard really good things, and I'd love to see it one day.

00:35:21.400 the next question what is matt drinking matt just finished an elysian punkachino coffee pumpkin ale

00:35:33.400 matt is about to be drinking an elysian the great pumpkin imperial pumpkin ale

00:35:41.080 getting in the spirit of the season

00:35:42.440 The next question, we're going to start with you on this, Sarah. What is your favorite moment from

00:35:54.680 Eil's saga? And he shares that he loved, I love reading about his uncle Thoralfur Kfeldolfsson

00:36:04.200 escaping from the burning hall and Eil carving his way through the battles to reach his dying

00:36:11.160 brother. I like the story of him healing his friend's daughter with the carving of the ruins

00:36:24.800 and just changing her bed sheets. The battle scenes, I like those.

00:36:32.580 um it shows just such a duality in his life and just he was just incredible and to know that he

00:36:42.760 was real is another thing a lot of times when you look at um these heroes that we honor with

00:36:50.840 remembrance days it was so long ago that they're just they're there's a tendency just to see them

00:36:57.560 as stories but these were actual people who did these actual things that we're honoring them for

00:37:02.920 and that's just kind of really cool in general so all right just because it is funny um the standout

00:37:22.600 And I remember when I read it, just like laughing out loud whenever he when he would spontaneously compose some poetry, it always, at least in my translation saga, and it's like, and then you'll speak a verse and then he spake a verse.

00:37:45.200 There was one occasion where he vomited in another man's face and then he spake a verse.

00:37:52.600 and that was kind of again not like a particular moment of heroism but something that stood out

00:38:01.240 is at random times he would spontaneously you know compose poetry sometimes celebratory

00:38:09.200 oftentimes a flighting or an insulting uh insulting verse about somebody or an occasion

00:38:16.520 but he would he was brought before the king of Norway at one point when he you know a king that

00:38:27.640 he had a long-standing animosity with actually had killed the king's son and he managed to

00:38:36.720 escape execution because he was able to compose such an epic feat of poetry in praise and

00:38:45.620 celebration of the king that was renowned throughout the land and was like the best

00:38:51.000 anybody ever heard. It was enough to slack the king's vengeance and allow him to get away

00:38:56.700 unscathed. And that's an amazing feat in and of itself. So that one's a little bit more heroic

00:39:02.320 than the vomit story, but it was still really interesting. I think that Sarah's point can't

00:39:11.720 be stressed enough. And this is the last one of our line of heroes that we're talking about with

00:39:17.900 the Days of Remembrance in this series. When we add some more, we'll definitely do episodes on

00:39:23.180 them. But it's really important to understand, and this is, history is really important to me.

00:39:34.520 I know I get on here and I complain about scholasticism a lot because studying history

00:39:39.780 and studying the gods are two different things the one can help and inform the other certainly

00:39:45.220 history and religion are separate but i digress in looking into history and studying history

00:39:53.860 it's really easy to fall into seeing these people as characters in a story

00:40:01.060 but they're not these are real people with the same fears the same emotions the same challenges

00:40:08.340 the same limitations the same strengths the same weaknesses shaped by different circumstances

00:40:15.300 certainly but that we all have and seeing people like us in a lot of ways able to accomplish these

00:40:25.940 great things and live these full and amazing and celebrated centuries later lives is really

00:40:34.420 something to learn from to aspire to to be inspired by and we only fully do that when we

00:40:43.380 stop to consider that these are these are real people with real lives real human

00:40:48.420 frailties that were able to rise above and become something more um

00:40:54.100 Oh, I am, Nick would like me to ask you about the AFA Eldrie Program.

00:41:04.260 Could you tell us a little bit about that?

00:41:08.380 The AFA Eldrie Program was created by Githya Sheila McAllen for AFA members age 50 and up.

00:41:17.840 We have a group on MeWe.

00:41:20.280 Sheila also sends out emails to the ones that aren't on MeWe.

00:41:25.660 And every Friday, there is a meeting at 4 p.m. Central Time.

00:41:29.860 And we spend sometimes up to two and a half hours just talking about the good old days and the future we see for ourselves in the AFA.

00:41:41.880 It's just a nice bonding for that age group.

00:41:44.240 So if anyone is an AFA member over the age of 50 and we haven't been in contact with you already, you can either reach out to Sheila or to me and we'll get you hooked up with the group.

00:41:55.980 and it sounds like it sounds like people are really enjoying that group it seems like a lot

00:42:04.840 of our our members that i think i don't know i think are somehow feel you know outside the loop

00:42:15.940 when people get in there with their hip 20 year old internet millennial speak i think it it helps

00:42:25.440 some of our members who maybe aren't as keen on that bond in a different way. And I've seen that

00:42:31.860 not just, you know, them locally, but all across. I think we have a couple of international members

00:42:39.040 involved in that. So all across the world, as far as I know. I know it's helped some people

00:42:43.760 locally as well, very much. So I've heard nothing but good things about that. If you're up there in

00:42:50.600 years and you join the AFA, be sure to be a part of that. I hear there's good things on it. Give

00:42:55.840 me about eight years and I will join you. So our next question, how can we explain to friends or

00:43:09.740 a family member that a word like Aryan isn't a bad word and that an ancient holy Aryan symbol

00:43:17.400 like the swastika is positive and spiritual and not hateful. Many people just don't get it,

00:43:24.240 and it feels alienating at times. So I think that one of the first things is to differentiate,

00:43:33.780 do they not get it or do they not want to get it? And I think that the word, certainly the symbol,

00:43:42.460 are just scary to a lot of people and are probably going to just stay scary to a lot of people.

00:43:51.760 And I don't think they want to have the discussion. And if they don't want to have

00:43:55.620 the discussion, then no matter what you say, it's going to go in one ear and out the other.

00:43:59.700 If they genuinely don't understand, then there's plenty of resources. Just Googling it,

00:44:06.940 you can figure out very very quickly the roots of a lot of these words i'd say that the biggest

00:44:16.540 thing that is not scary to go to is uh hinduism and vedic indians and they have had a continuous

00:44:28.380 use of the word Aryan and of the swastika symbol for thousands of years. And I think that's easily

00:44:38.840 documented. It is what it is. It's brown people using it. So it's less scary to people, but it

00:44:48.300 traces back to the same root. And I think that's a good gateway into helping to understand it and

00:44:54.120 make it make sense to folks if they genuinely are unfamiliar and they've only seen or heard of them

00:45:00.100 in a negative context and they'd like to learn more. But I think that it's not necessarily a

00:45:06.820 battle worth fighting if it's just immediately in your face scary to people. Our job isn't to

00:45:13.660 freak people out. We would love to talk to them about being noble. And if that doesn't mean

00:45:18.480 throwing Aryan in their face every time it scares them, you can just talk about us being noble and

00:45:23.860 that being a characteristic that our people have always been known by and have named themselves 0.79

00:45:29.160 after. And there's a lot of other symbols that are very similar, that have a very similar meaning,

00:45:34.980 but that haven't been used for propaganda purposes against our people for a really long

00:45:45.900 time. There's a lot of other symbols that you can use. And frightening people isn't what we're

00:45:52.180 trying to do. And so there's a lot of stuff you can do. Um, Sarah, what are your, what are your

00:45:58.160 thoughts on that? Well, with the word Arian, I don't find myself using that word in conversation

00:46:08.420 normally. So it's not a conversation I've had to have with my family and friends. Um, I know

00:46:14.240 that's unusual for my movement background, but it's just not part of my conversation with the

00:46:20.660 swastika though that's a little different for me i i remember sitting down at the dinner table

00:46:26.240 with my dad who who already knew the background of it and explaining it to him why it wasn't just

00:46:35.400 this thing that he viewed as evil and hateful and um it got nowhere so it i think it depends

00:46:46.360 on the perception that the people already have about it you know there's such a a negative

00:46:52.400 attachment to it as soon as you say the word as soon as you see the symbol in normal people

00:46:59.300 outside of us and i think in general with things like that and um the more normal you make it

00:47:09.420 the more normal or at least the less they notice is i guess kind of my theory whether that's right

00:47:20.040 or wrong like if you don't make the big deal out of it and make the point that i have to explain

00:47:27.760 this to you i know that this you feel this way about it let me explain it to you but if you're

00:47:35.620 just wearing it and just wear it and you're a normal person it's just part of you at least

00:47:43.380 that's what I found with you know my family and the people I hung around honestly you know having

00:47:50.080 a conversation with somebody who's genuinely interested in those two things that's fine

00:47:57.140 there's a lot of ways to explain or or do that but I think the point that Sarah made is really

00:48:02.840 important, you bypass a lot of the pitfalls of conversation if somebody is not open or desirous

00:48:11.200 to the conversation. If you use both of those things appropriately and you aren't using them

00:48:18.200 as a device to throw in people's face or to try to scare people or to try to be edgy with,

00:48:24.880 if you're genuine in your use of those things and you're a normal, you know, I say normal and it's

00:48:30.720 probably not in this day and age, but if you're a good person doing good people things and they

00:48:39.520 know you and respect you from that, it's going to bypass that conversation and it's going to

00:48:44.920 ingrain in the back of their head, hey, well, he used that word and hey, he has that symbol for

00:48:49.960 certain things and he's not a bad guy. And I think that's a better thing to do. And something else to

00:48:55.500 just consider outside of the screechy woke crowd and it depends we've got a lot of different

00:49:03.840 generations of people who listen to this program but for example um you know if you're 60 and above

00:49:13.260 your parents you know grew up in a time where there's a lot more direct baggage to that

00:49:24.020 And whatever your thoughts may be about the Second World War, if you're in England or the United States or a number of places, you may be dealing with someone whose parents or if not their grandparents, you know, they grew up talking to people that fought and died.

00:49:45.140 where that was the call sign of the enemy team. And the arguments about it are irrelevant to

00:49:57.660 people who grew up in the 40s, 50s, and 60s. They have a really direct connection to people that

00:50:07.160 have some really ingrained issues with it. And it's not really worth

00:50:11.800 rubbing salt in or picking a fight with. But like Sarah said, I think just being you and

00:50:19.320 being a good person and being the example of what to be and happening to use those when

00:50:23.860 they're appropriate is probably your best bet unless people are genuinely intellectually curious.

00:50:34.580 Next question, will there be more VNS with multiple Gothar and folk builders on at a time?

00:50:40.300 Will you do more in-depth talks with the other 10 Asinyur like you did with the Isir, Frigga, and Freya?

00:50:51.260 What about the AFA kindreds?

00:50:54.700 So, sure, I'm happy to do that on all of those.

00:50:58.320 Honestly, while we are in a way rebuilding a lot of our relationships with the gods and the goddesses, especially the ones that are less celebrated or less known, I think that our amount of material is much less, especially with the other Asenor from that poem with Frigga's Handmaidens specifically.

00:51:25.440 I think air is probably the one that we could do the most of a show about. And again, not because the source material is more, but because people's current interactions over the last 50 years with air have been significant.

00:51:43.740 There's a cult of air that's kind of grown up within Ausatru because we've had so many people

00:51:49.500 that have have prayed to her and been helped by her when they've been ill, when a family member's

00:51:55.180 been ill. I think that there's a relationship there that we could talk more on. So I think

00:51:59.300 doing an episode of her on her, if Nick would write this down somewhere, so I'll remember it

00:52:03.860 when I get off the show would be a really nice thing for us to do. I'd love to do some more

00:52:10.580 episodes with multiple folks um it's a matter of coordinating schedules but the plan is and i don't

00:52:16.860 know if we got the graphic up it should be up after tonight's program but in excuse me in four

00:52:24.000 weeks from today doing an episode with myself and uh witten clifford erickson and his wife

00:52:32.720 Githya Katie Erickson. We should be all down at an Airbnb near Sigerheim. Hopefully they got good

00:52:40.980 Wi-Fi and all kind of sitting around the same table or same living room or the same wherever

00:52:44.860 we're at and doing an episode from there. And that's going to be right before our winter nights

00:52:50.580 in Sigerheim. But yeah, that's the first one of the multiple folks that we'll have on that we've

00:52:55.780 got scheduled. I'm really happy to do more of those. I think, you know, I think those are fun

00:53:01.020 to do if we can coordinate them. And I will try to work some more of those in if you'd like to see

00:53:05.580 those. And what about the Kindreds? If you would like to have an episode just on AFA Kindreds,

00:53:16.860 we could try to figure that out. I'd probably have folk builder Jason Gallagher on again.

00:53:22.660 He heads up the Kindred program and always has. So we could work that in if it's something you're

00:53:29.380 interested about. Again, Nick, if you could take these ideas down so we have them after the show,

00:53:33.860 that would be awesome, because everything I don't want to do and want to put work on,

00:53:38.880 I push on Nick, and he does it amazingly, and I appreciate it.

00:53:47.140 Brandy says, speaking of Beowulf, Sarah, could you tell our women folk how to join the book study? 0.99

00:53:54.580 the ladies book study on beowulf is thursday every single thursday night at 7 p.m central 0.91

00:54:04.400 standard time and you can reach out to me and i will get you hooked up with a link to join the

00:54:09.760 the um team's call that we do to do the study they last about an hour um there is they're

00:54:19.740 record it, and I have a playlist of all the past recordings, so you can get caught up to where

00:54:24.780 we're at, and plus Brandy made a 68-page study guide that accompanies it, so I can get that to

00:54:32.940 you also. If you have never done a bookstore study with Brandy, it is incredibly interesting,

00:54:41.200 in depth. There are a lot of personal things she goes down and all these rabbit holes that are

00:54:50.100 awesome. The last book study before this was Deep Ancestors that we did as ladies, and that took a

00:54:56.720 year and a half to finish the book. So that is how book studies with Brandy go. But you come out of

00:55:02.700 it with lots of knowledge and lots of understanding, and it's awesome.

00:55:06.540 I think that's the difference between a book study and just reading a book together at the

00:55:13.840 same time with other people. You can read a book together really quick to really do an

00:55:18.700 in-depth study, taking the time I think is really well worth it.

00:55:22.080 okay and and i opened to this so i'll so i'll i'll allow it oh that was one of my favorite

00:55:36.320 parts of the saga doesn't he push the guy up against a wall and then he barfs on him yes

00:55:41.520 that's exactly what happens i say that it's been a little while since i read it but as i recall

00:55:48.480 that's exactly how it goes down um at what point in history do you think pan-arianism really became

00:56:00.080 a prominent idea amongst our folk no doubt in ages past during our tribal days many arian

00:56:06.800 tribes thought of themselves as separate peoples surely we've evolved since then

00:56:12.080 but when did we awaken and realize that we are one people

00:56:18.480 Sarah, do you have any thoughts on this?

00:56:22.480 No. This one, I do not.

00:56:25.480 I'm not really sure when it all started coming together.

00:56:29.480 So it's a tricky question to answer,

00:56:38.480 and I certainly can't give you like a year or an event that made that happen.

00:56:44.480 But. In the large sweep of centuries, there has always been migrations and movement of our folk.

00:57:04.140 So the intermixing of groups that at one time would seem different into groups that then consider themselves the same, and then groups that later balkanize into smaller groups.

00:57:23.740 I think that's happened within our race of people since the beginning.

00:57:30.200 I think that when people's view of the world was much, much smaller and there was so much of the

00:57:41.420 map that was still black and unknown, I think, and I think we all have a tendency to do this.

00:57:48.780 We recognize sameness and difference. If the differentiating thing is you guys wear different

00:57:56.000 clothes than we do then cool we make a distinction and consider those people different if it's

00:58:02.800 different hairstyles if it's different whatever as long as we're in a group of the same people 1.00

00:58:08.480 we look for small things you know let's gang up on the redheads well the redheads can gang up on the

00:58:14.240 dark-haired people and the further you move out to different valleys different regions different

00:58:20.720 places especially when you have people in the mediterranean building a very different form of

00:58:26.960 civilization and you have people in the forests in the north in in the cold doing it's easy to do

00:58:33.920 but i think that our people have always recognized when there are extremely different groups of

00:58:41.040 people like there's differences amongst tribes clans nations countries of white people but

00:58:48.720 the difference between that and other races of people is very obvious and very significant and

00:58:55.760 i think that our people see that when they went on expeditions when when the vikings discovered

00:59:01.920 north america they didn't act like the the native americans at the time were just a different

00:59:09.280 a different tribe of european peoples they were a completely different thing and i think you

00:59:15.680 see the same thing when our people went on crusade and discovered um discovered blacks for

00:59:24.880 the first time that you know they'd never seen one in their country i remember an illustration

00:59:30.400 in parsifal because one of the characters um was was said to be half black the illustration

00:59:38.640 is literally a guy like in the original star trek to where half of his body was white and

00:59:44.640 half of his body was black because they couldn't conceive of what a mixed race person would look

00:59:51.920 like because that was such a foreign idea to them at the time. So I think that

00:59:57.520 when the world started to open up, I think that probably for the average people

01:00:05.160 during the Crusades was probably something that we noticed a lot. I think that certainly during

01:00:13.360 the age of discovery, when we were traveling to the Americas for the first time, to the Pacific

01:00:18.340 Islands for the first time, to really discovering Africa for the first time, that was a time that

01:00:26.960 we really noticed a great difference. And anytime we notice these great differences amongst other

01:00:32.600 groups of people, we reflect on how small the differences are amongst us. And so I think we

01:00:39.920 also noticed that very specifically in Central and Eastern Europe during the Mongolian invasion.

01:00:48.160 I think that during the time of the Khans, we really saw a difference between those people

01:00:54.080 and our people. And certainly you'd have tales from travelers and things. And I think it was

01:00:59.280 the thing of fantasy for a long time, but I think it becoming a real concept that the average person

01:01:04.640 understood was at those times. Yeah, I think that's the, I think that's, and then I think

01:01:20.200 it solidified even further in, so I think that everybody got it as a concept at that

01:01:31.320 point, I think when massive scale immigrations happened in the 1960s, and when there was a

01:01:42.420 social agenda about forcing a melting pot onto our people, I think that's another time that we

01:01:50.620 really felt the commonality of our folk and we really saw the same and different in an enhanced

01:01:57.420 light. I think those are probably the times in history I think are the most significant on it.

01:02:04.300 The next question we've got up, how should we defend ourselves against the epithet of LARPing?

01:02:17.660 I think, yeah, you take this one first, Sarah, go for it.

01:02:22.540 okay so the obvious answer is don't learn and obviously don't worry about what other people

01:02:32.860 call you but in a more serious way if also true is a daily practice in your life it is if it's

01:02:40.420 part of who you are and it's not just something you do on the weekends it's not just something

01:02:45.580 you do when you get together with other members of the AFA, then you are never LARPing, and

01:02:53.020 this is your life, and that's basically it.

01:03:00.180 So, unfortunately, and I think with a lot of things, there is an uncomfortable gray area.

01:03:11.880 There are numerous different accusations leveled against us for LARPing.

01:03:23.100 I think the obvious ones, the Viking LARP thing, don't Viking LARP.

01:03:31.720 Why would you dress up like you're a Viking?

01:03:36.020 You're not a Viking.

01:03:37.280 Why would you wear Viking clothes?

01:03:38.960 What is the purpose of doing that?

01:03:41.880 best way to avoid being accused of larping is don't act silly don't wear don't wear legitimate

01:03:48.600 reenactment viking clothes but further and probably even more important don't wear guar clothes

01:03:56.120 pretending that you're a viking because that's silly on top of it and that seems to be what

01:04:01.960 modern pretending you're a viking is supposed to be everybody wore black and had ashes on their face

01:04:08.040 and shoulder pelts and they didn't have colors and everything was leather and like partially ripped

01:04:14.600 up and that's silly that's not what vikings actually look like but secondly why you should

01:04:22.520 avoid dressing like you're from an age you're not from wear modern clothing behave as a modern

01:04:28.920 person and practice your faith in a modern context. We owe it. It's important that our

01:04:36.280 detractors don't think that we're silly and that potential people that should come home to their 0.94

01:04:43.380 gods don't see what we're doing as silly and run the other way. But it's also important that when 0.62

01:04:48.380 we approach our gods, we're not being silly, that we're being respectful of them by honoring them

01:04:54.160 in a legitimate way, not in a, in a hokey cheesy way. Um, there's the accusation of Viking LARP.

01:05:01.900 There's the accusation of, you know, 1930s and 40s continental European LARP. And I think that

01:05:14.440 we can avoid doing that by again, not playing dress up and not pretending we live in a time

01:05:20.760 different than the time that we live in. Keeping what we do focused on today, you can respect and

01:05:27.480 celebrate our history. We can celebrate heroes from our past, like we're celebrating Egil tonight.

01:05:35.660 But to dress and behave like we're in the world that we live in, and to take that world

01:05:41.160 head on instead of practicing escapism, pretending we live in a different world than we live in,

01:05:47.860 And I think that can do it. But unfortunately, there's going to be a bunch of people out there that are just snobs.

01:05:55.100 And because their life is empty of sincere faith, they're going to think that we're all LARPing because no one could possibly really believe in our gods because that's silly.

01:06:07.320 unless we are self-indulgent and focused on nihilism and we're all larping because those

01:06:15.840 people have a hole in their life that they don't know how to fill there's no effective way to

01:06:20.960 combat that other than living a good life and celebrating your success and i think that'll

01:06:27.080 that'll do what it needs to do on its own

01:06:28.900 Hello, new here, but I'm working on an essay about Freya, her references and theories that

01:06:44.060 surround her. I was wondering what the AFA's position is on whether Freya and Frigg have

01:06:50.040 the same origin. No, they don't. I mean, other than their origin as goddesses of our folk,

01:07:00.120 no, they're not ever the same. They were not ever the same. They're very clearly...

01:07:08.840 So, and being new, I will rant on something that I rant on a lot.

01:07:14.120 if your approach to understanding our gods is to treat them as literary characters in history

01:07:24.820 and try to find fragments and force them into boxes created by sociologists or anthropologists

01:07:34.900 I think you fail if you are trying to approach our gods by treating them as gods and then filling in

01:07:43.200 the rest with the understanding that they're gods, you come to a much better understandable

01:07:49.220 conclusion. Our folk, there's themes in the female goddesses, I say that's redundant, I'm sorry,

01:07:58.320 there's themes in the goddesses of our folk that are very much exemplified in Lady Freya and Mother

01:08:05.800 frigga um one idea is the the idea of the horse goddess and the cow goddess and that goes back

01:08:15.720 to the most ancient period of our folk there is female divinity that exemplifies untamed wild

01:08:26.840 magical um pushing the edges pushing the boundaries single women's

01:08:39.720 mysteries and there is a segment of our goddesses that exemplify the home the hearth motherhood 0.99

01:08:48.440 marriage, the societal duties of women. And those are clearly exemplified by Frigg and Freyja

01:08:58.120 in a very distinct way. There's not overlap between those groups of goddesses

01:09:05.160 unless you see the transition from the horse goddess growing up into the cow goddess figure

01:09:11.400 in lore but they're always separate and that's very important the the personalities and the

01:09:19.800 existence of freya and frig are very very different and i would encourage you to go

01:09:26.200 along those lines i appreciate you joining us tonight and i appreciate you being

01:09:31.880 being on the program and asking questions and we're glad that you're here

01:09:35.480 all right let's take this one first sarah thoughts on the rainbow my christian in-laws believe that

01:09:43.880 the pride people have corrupted it from its true christian meaning considering heimdall's

01:09:48.600 association with beef for us could we have the same gripe what are your thoughts about the rainbow

01:09:57.000 i grew up during the 80s where rainbows were very popular and they weren't associated with

01:10:03.400 gayness. So I love rainbows. I had a trapper keeper full of rainbows, and I believe that we

01:10:12.740 could take it back. Rainbows are awesome. Rainbows are beautiful. There's a lot of really cool things

01:10:29.300 about rainbows. Again, when I grew up, rainbows weren't gay. Rainbows were mostly for girls,

01:10:35.460 but they weren't, you know, it wasn't a gay thing. I do absolutely believe that

01:10:43.360 we can take it back and it can mean something different at a different time in a different

01:10:47.680 place. I think communication is really important. What you are trying to communicate matters and

01:11:02.840 what you wear and the symbols that you use affect that. In your own in-group, rainbows can mean

01:11:11.460 something special. They can also be funny and ironic. They can mean different things.

01:11:15.860 what when broadcast to the world at large, rainbows mean LGBTQ plus and whatever else

01:11:26.000 is cool this week. That just is. Whether we want that to be or not, there may be parts of the

01:11:34.600 world where that's not a thing. But right now, that's what that means to the vast majority of

01:11:39.320 people that see it. So be aware of that. Use it in context. I think there are times and places

01:11:45.360 where certain things, and if the colors are subtle, is very reasonable. But if you just go

01:11:51.220 around with a rainbow t-shirt on, people are going to make assumptions about where you stand

01:11:57.500 in groups of things you support politically and socially. You don't, you know, I've seen people

01:12:04.060 that have ironic t-shirts that'll have things like that. And then if you read the fine print,

01:12:09.760 it says something super, you know, based. Nobody's going to read the fine print. They're going to

01:12:15.100 see you from across the room and make assumptions. And that's your fault, not theirs. So I would

01:12:20.860 just be careful of how you do it. I would love to see a day where we have it back and the rainbow

01:12:26.120 can be celebrated for as beautiful and powerful and spiritual that it is. Today's not that day

01:12:34.040 though. Do you know any sellers or websites where I can buy Alcitru related objects like

01:12:44.380 Mjolnir talismans, for example, and merchandise, t-shirts, hoodies, etc. that actually supports

01:12:50.600 Alcitruar? I would like to buy items that were actually made with a religious intent rather

01:12:56.340 than buy from non-Alcitruar who put no heart and soul into making it.

01:13:04.040 Yes, eventually. So we are currently rebuilding the store at roomstone.org. We currently have flags and books. Our folk builder and lady who runs that store, Allison Clausen, is currently in the process of getting T-shirts and hoodies and such made.

01:13:27.000 she's going to have hats, those kinds of things. We also have a member that I've talked to about

01:13:32.640 getting some, um, Mjolnir's that he makes up on the site. That would be really, he does really,

01:13:39.400 really cool ones. And, uh, to get his on the site would be really nice. That's, uh, the store

01:13:46.180 at runestone.org. We're not quite there yet. We're in the process. Um, the woman that was running

01:13:52.960 the store turned on us in a really ugly way in June and kind of brought that whole process

01:14:02.140 to a halt. So we've had to rebuild our store and repopulate it with merchandise. So we've

01:14:09.480 been working hard at that and we've got some of it. We're just not all the way there yet

01:14:14.220 with clothing and such, but we are working on it. And I've been told some of that will

01:14:19.380 be ready by the end of October. We'll see. But that's my suggestion. Sarah, do you know another

01:14:23.680 place folks can buy house true related products? If you are on MeWe, we have a marketplace where

01:14:32.420 some of our members sell the wares that they make. And there is a wide variety of them. We

01:14:40.460 have very talented members. So if you are on MeWe, reach out to your folk builder so you can get put

01:14:47.660 in that group and you can see what there is to offer if you're an afa member if you're not you

01:14:55.180 should be so i suppose this is a good time in the program for that if you are listening to the sound

01:15:02.620 of sarah and my voices this evening are you an afa member yet if not why not if you can't come

01:15:13.420 up with a existential reason that you are not eligible to join the afa i would really invite

01:15:18.860 you to check out the website and if you're in agreement with us to join and be part of it

01:15:24.220 we're doing amazing amazing things together we'd love to have you be part of our afa family um

01:15:32.860 i think and this is you know going on a little bit of a rant for a second

01:15:37.500 A lot of people, when they find the AFA for the first time or hear about us for the first

01:15:45.280 time, they assume we're new or we're just starting out or we're trying to build something.

01:15:53.580 We're certainly building, but we're not trying to do anything we're doing.

01:15:58.340 We've been around as the Auschwitz-Folk Assembly for 28 years.

01:16:03.480 At the turn of the year, we will have been around for 29 years.

01:16:07.500 The current of AlsaTrue founded by our founder, Stephen McNallan, is 54 years old.

01:16:19.100 We've been around for a while. We haven't been around in the modern era for centuries, but, you know, give us 40 years or so and we'll be there.

01:16:27.860 Um, so that's to say this, we've got a really special and really good foundation.

01:16:38.680 Um, we've got a lot of momentum behind us.

01:16:41.840 We're doing amazing, amazing things, but we're still small enough to where every individual

01:16:48.940 can make such a big difference in what we're building and what we're doing.

01:16:53.380 You have the opportunity to be such a huge part of the growth of Ausatru for our children and for their children.

01:17:02.100 This is such a special time to do it.

01:17:05.060 And we need and want all of your help to make that happen.

01:17:09.160 So we would love to have you with us if we want nice things,

01:17:15.020 if we want to build this to be a faith that our children and our grandchildren can get the most out of.

01:17:23.380 We need to do that together, and we do that by being part of the team, by being in the arena, by being the ones out here volunteering time, effort, and money to make this happen.

01:17:35.680 There's a lot of people that like to sit on the sidelines and say they support us 100 percent when they really support us 0 percent.

01:17:43.160 They just kind of like what we're doing.

01:17:46.560 Supporting 100 percent means joining the team and making donations and being part of what we're doing.

01:17:52.520 and joining and having your family join, coming out to things, being at the Hoffs,

01:17:58.780 participating in Ausitru, worshiping our gods, strengthening the AFA's kin fence.

01:18:04.060 We'd love to have you guys do that. So if you have not joined yet, I invite you to check us out

01:18:09.300 and send in your applications. We would love to have you guys join the AFA family.

01:18:17.480 Githya Anna asks, Sarah, you've been doing a great job in focusing on fitness.

01:18:22.520 What would you tell somebody just starting out?

01:18:29.520 See, this is that awesome female support we have in the AFA.

01:18:33.520 We have for the female members of the AFA, we have a sisterhood fitness program where it's just the ladies.

01:18:44.520 And the amount of support in that group blows my mind all the time.

01:18:49.520 the time the group has been around for a while and they have done various challenges and i resisted

01:18:56.080 joining that group for a very long time because you do put yourself out there

01:19:00.480 and when you're someone like me who's older and overweight and has

01:19:08.560 over the last couple years gained a ridiculous amount of weight having to focus on that

01:19:16.000 is just so mind-blowing. Having that support around you is amazing. So what really worked for

01:19:23.460 me was the support of everyone in that group, especially Mandy. If you don't know Mandy,

01:19:30.340 she is freaking amazing. I don't know if I would have been able to continue doing this without her.

01:19:37.200 she got me into the habit of consistency um i rethink everything now about my relationship

01:19:46.420 with food what i'm eating what i'm consuming even when i travel i i make plans and i portion

01:19:55.260 up food and every single day i exercise um i don't have a lot of money so i've found a lot of

01:20:03.660 different, um, hiking areas in my area to go to so that I'm doing that. And some of the parks and

01:20:12.620 around us have, um, gym areas in the park, which are completely free. So I've been doing those

01:20:20.540 four times a week. And like I said, my having that support system, the consistency, the thinking

01:20:28.540 about what you eat, keeping track of things. I have this whole plan about proteins and fat and

01:20:38.040 fiber. And it's just completely different vision of the way I think now. And it's been really cool.

01:20:45.980 My energy has increased. I've been so much happier. And I can't say enough about that

01:20:55.980 bonding and that sisterhood group. It is an amazing group of women who are out there doing

01:21:00.540 it with you. And they're all at different levels because everyone has a different goal 0.56

01:21:04.780 for their fitness, but it is absolutely amazing. And Mandy kind of spearheads that group and

01:21:12.620 she's just, I can't say enough about Mandy. She's wonderful.

01:21:15.420 mandy's all right

01:21:19.100 you're very lucky i am extremely lucky in a lot of ways and mandy is a huge part of the

01:21:27.940 part of the reasons that i'm lucky um mandy as a matter of fact got me on you know counting my

01:21:33.980 macros and has helped me a lot with uh with my fitness stuff as well uh before i was so used to

01:21:41.940 was scrawny and i was trying so hard to get bigger i got bigger and i got bigger in the ways that i

01:21:48.580 wanted and i got bigger in extra ways too that i didn't want so you know i was at a point where

01:21:53.940 i was just making sure i had enough protein in everything else be damned and i got enough protein

01:21:58.900 in and i grew and i got enough other stuff in and i i grew in different in different dimensions so uh

01:22:06.900 it she's really helped me get uh get my situation squared away over the past

01:22:11.460 i don't know when she did that was probably

01:22:15.220 time flies it's probably about eight years ago um but yeah it's made a big difference

01:22:22.820 so the next question glad to see miss alt here again hail what is the current number of members

01:22:30.580 and what's the percentage of kids boys versus girls nowadays on the topic of arranged marriages

01:22:36.900 Thanks. So, current number of members. Let me just check to see if anybody has applied since we have been on the program. They have not. Current number of members is 862.

01:22:50.740 um as far as percentage of boys versus girls i have no idea across the afa and there's not a

01:23:01.420 really easy way to find that out um i mean i assume it is whatever the the general average

01:23:10.980 is i don't know if the afa has a specific trend on that as far as our membership goes

01:23:15.820 Sarah, in our homeschool situation, what's the number of girls versus boys, do you think?

01:23:36.660 I know we definitely have more girls than boys, but I could not tell you the percentage of it.

01:23:45.820 I'm trying to go through it in my head, and I can't.

01:23:52.240 All right.

01:23:53.120 So you said we do have more girls than boys?

01:23:55.740 I can't, no.

01:23:57.560 Okay.

01:23:58.480 All right.

01:23:59.140 So we have an unknown percentage of boys and girls.

01:24:03.140 But because we're in the AFA, there's just boys and the girls, which is awesome.

01:24:08.720 Seriously, on the topic of arranged marriages, I think that a really hardcore, hyper-traditional way of doing that is probably not realistic.

01:24:24.500 but what is really nice to see the more we come together as a faith community and the more it's

01:24:36.140 treated like that specifically with the group of women that we talked about we have our women very

01:24:41.300 often behind the scenes involved in matchmaking and trying to weave frith in that very traditional 0.98

01:24:48.280 way. And so we have some of those things starting to be encouraged in a healthy and well-meaning

01:24:56.200 and reasonable way for modern times. So we do have, you know, the women of our AFA family kind

01:25:03.920 of looking out for those things. We see that a lot with our young 20-somethings and 30-somethings.

01:25:12.160 And, you know, we will see that as our children grow into maturity with, you know, the women of our church looking out for looking out for folks and trying to trying to make matches where where they think that would be advantageous.

01:25:27.420 So I think that's a nice thing to see.

01:25:31.940 OK, I just went through the list and I was wrong.

01:25:35.220 There are 20 boys and 11 girls.

01:25:39.480 So there you have it.

01:25:40.840 So there's, there's some competition out there for, for the young, young guys growing up.

01:25:49.240 But I think that's how, I think that's how things work usually. But yeah, that's, that's what we're

01:25:55.260 currently looking at. And I'm curious to see how that develops over time. But yeah, and it's,

01:26:03.180 these are really good problems to have. These are really good things to be able to have this

01:26:07.260 discussion and seriously consider these things because we're at that point where we are a viable

01:26:13.380 community that way. Like Sarah mentioned, and this just blew my mind when she said it because we've

01:26:20.220 wanted this for so, so long, not just for homeschooling, but in general, we're getting

01:26:27.880 enough kids in Minnesota, she says, for kids to actually be able to go on Astro Academy field

01:26:33.880 trips and that's such a beautiful and exciting thing to see and we're very very proud of it

01:26:42.360 our next question any thoughts or insights on non-white aryan groups such as the iranians

01:26:48.440 and modern indo-aryans of india um i don't believe in the concept of non-white aryan groups

01:26:56.760 i think that when we talk in terms of arian languages and groups that

01:27:04.840 come from arian stock i think that that's a thing um when you see iran and india i'm sure that there

01:27:16.520 There is a very small number of people that still have that Aryan-ness to them that's

01:27:27.040 identifiable.

01:27:28.980 I think in that context, in reality, it's very, very heavily mixed at this point, specifically

01:27:38.420 in India.

01:27:39.500 And I think that mixture happened very, very early on.

01:27:45.460 I think you find more people that are of original Aryan stock in isolated areas of Iran, but

01:27:52.980 either way, I don't think that's what anybody's really talking about when they use the words,

01:27:59.920 although I do think at a time that was very much the case. I think one of the things that's really

01:28:04.340 interesting you point out, and useful for the gentleman's question earlier in the show,

01:28:09.660 the furthest extent of the migrations of our people until we discovered America and Australia

01:28:18.080 was Iran and Ireland. And in their native tongues of the people that migrated there,

01:28:27.180 both names of both countries mean the land of the Aryans. So I think that's a really cool

01:28:33.460 linguistic thing. And I do think there are still very viable remnants of that in Iran in different

01:28:38.880 places um but that's not that's not the that's certainly not the typical of what we're talking

01:28:46.080 about and i think that's that's kind of generally understood um

01:28:56.480 so the next question from warren g i i don't think it's the real warren g but i couldn't be positive

01:29:04.880 uh also about non-aryan europeans as well uh hun arians finnish sami estonians uh corellians

01:29:20.480 so i think that they're and i don't know if this affects some of that population or not

01:29:28.720 but i think we split hairs too much if we're only referring to arian peoples from the quote

01:29:34.000 unquote arian migration period i don't think that tells the whole story i think that the old europeans

01:29:42.160 are very much of the same stock as the arians that did the migratory pattern and i think you

01:29:49.760 see that when they're when those two groups of people are reintroduced to one another

01:29:54.080 during the migratory period and so i don't think that they are i don't think that they were separate

01:30:01.760 people during the ice age and before i think perhaps after that a group broke off and did

01:30:11.920 some of the the what we call the aryan migrations but i think the old europeans are from that same

01:30:17.360 root stock and i think you see that in the in the commonalities but i'm not an expert on that so

01:30:23.600 please don't regulate. Next question. Thoughts on the theory that ancient Aryans built many wonders

01:30:35.760 of the world, such as Stonehenge and the Egyptian pyramids, using the advanced technology of

01:30:42.160 Atlantis? This is a theory I see a lot in alt-right Odinist circles. Is this just wishful thinking,

01:30:49.440 or do you think it is plausible if it seems like too much of a stretch what theories do

01:30:54.800 you think are more likely sarah what are your thoughts on this

01:31:00.400 i 100 think it's plausible but i also believe aliens could have helped and

01:31:08.720 different other creatures that are mythical but that's my personal thought um chances are though

01:31:15.040 it was more our especially with stonehenge it is our ancestors because it fits the other things

01:31:22.240 that were done around that time i'm not sure on the egyptian periods pyramids to be honest with you

01:31:33.680 so i think it's very i think it's very tempting to say yes ancient white people did all the

01:31:43.920 cool things in the world i think that sounds awesome i think we all probably cheerlead for

01:31:51.040 that and think that's really cool and i think that you find encouraging bits of archaeology that

01:31:59.440 implies some of those things i think that's certainly what happens in some of the cases

01:32:05.120 certainly with stonehenge and european things of that nature absolutely as far as the pyramids

01:32:10.880 they go i mean all right so there's two parts of the question there's ancient white people stuff

01:32:20.040 and then there's atlantis and i think that

01:32:22.800 the atlantis myth is really interesting i would really like that to be true

01:32:35.360 I think it's really cool. The idea that perhaps, you know, ancient Aryan Atlanteans went around the world and disseminated knowledge and technology that was able to build all of the cool stuff of deep ancient history.

01:32:52.440 It's really fun, and I hope it's true.

01:32:57.100 I don't.

01:32:59.680 I would not bet on it's being true.

01:33:02.380 I don't see convincing evidence of its truth.

01:33:06.620 Doesn't mean I've written it off as a possibility, but I don't have substantial enough reason to believe it's true to hitch my cart to that.

01:33:22.740 I want to think Bigfoot's a thing.

01:33:26.020 I wouldn't bet on Bigfoot being a thing, but I still think it's cool and think it'd be awesome if it was a thing.

01:33:31.160 and I don't write it off 100% is impossible, it would be really cool if that happened.

01:33:37.720 Again, I don't have enough reason to convince me that's a probability.

01:33:43.260 That said, and I don't like a lot of his conclusions because the life choices that

01:33:48.460 he made in the world that we live in, Graham Hancock comes up with some conclusions that are,

01:33:55.460 I don't know, that I think imply a political correctness that his evidence doesn't suggest to

01:34:02.260 him. But I really, really like the work that he's done. And I've read, I say I've read,

01:34:09.760 I don't want to lie to you. I've listened on audiobook to just about every, to everything

01:34:15.860 that I've been able to find of Graham Hancock's that's nonfiction, because I think it's really

01:34:21.220 fascinating i think the mystery of prehistory is such a fascinating subject and i encourage

01:34:28.020 everybody to go out and listen to those and read those it's fascinating and i hope it's a thing

01:34:33.940 as far as um other theories that i think are relevant to our folk i do believe

01:34:43.780 in hyperborea i do believe that there is a polar origin to our folk and

01:34:53.060 ball tillak i believe wrote arctic homeland and the vetas that i think is really telling about

01:35:01.620 that in our our most ancient myths i think it indicates that pre-ice age our folk had

01:35:12.740 a much further north origin and moved southward and i think that's a thing

01:35:19.220 which i find really really fascinating um but yeah it's the best i got on that i wish i i wish

01:35:27.620 i had the the definitive answer on atlantis and i don't but i find it really really interesting

01:35:32.980 and i'd love to hear more and learn more about it matt do you believe in aliens see this is the

01:35:41.540 so this is a strange thing if you ask most people if they believe that somewhere in

01:35:48.580 the universe aliens exist almost everybody will say yes as far as alien visitations to earth i get

01:35:57.540 a little bit more i get a lot bit more skeptical do i believe aliens exist absolutely somewhere out

01:36:04.020 in the universe? Absolutely. And again, it's another thing that's just fascinating. So I will

01:36:12.700 listen to that stuff all day long. Don't get me wrong. I find it really interesting. I will listen

01:36:17.600 to those documentaries. Most of those people are lunatics and I laugh at them because they're so 0.99

01:36:23.420 absurd. But the important thing on a lot of these things, they don't all have to be right. Just one 0.97

01:36:29.380 them has to be right just one of them that makes that claim has to be correct for it to be a thing

01:36:36.980 so again that's something that i find interesting but i don't really know what to do with

01:36:43.220 and i think what is most damning to the credibility of a lot of those people

01:36:48.820 is when they're that guy that everything happens to yes i was abducted by aliens and i saw bigfoot

01:36:57.300 and this thing happened to me and this other thing happened to me and these are all the meds

01:37:02.260 i'm on because i'm crazy and there's a lot of that so it's hard i don't have a really solid

01:37:11.060 on whether i think alien interaction with humans has occurred or not i haven't found stuff that's

01:37:18.740 convincing enough to where i can say i buy into it but i always try to keep you know keep a little

01:37:23.700 a little uh chance out there for for some of these you know more far out there things to be

01:37:32.060 to be reality there are certainly stuff that we don't understand there's certainly so i'll tell

01:37:39.280 you this this is a non-answer because i don't have a really strong opinion one way or another

01:37:43.300 but what has always fascinated me and i was i used to be a really big fan of listening to coast to

01:37:49.420 Coast AM. And you listen to these people and some of them are just lying and making stuff up.

01:37:57.720 Fine. Move them to the side. There's a lot of people on any of these paranormal things that are

01:38:04.260 what they're saying happened, didn't happen, but they're also not lying to me.

01:38:13.360 So they're telling me something that they believe is 100 percent true

01:38:16.880 that I don't think is 100% true. And the distance between those two things really fascinates me

01:38:24.440 because something is going on there, whatever that is, and maybe nine times out of 10,

01:38:30.180 it's mental illness. But that 10th time, it's something else. And what that something else is,

01:38:38.140 is fascinating to me. And it's fascinating, not just as something to laugh at, as something that's

01:38:45.300 genuinely interesting to me. I find it genuinely interesting.

01:38:51.780 Our next question, Sarah, which Futhark resonates with you the most?

01:39:00.180 The elder. 100% the elder. I just started learning about the younger,

01:39:06.580 but I don't feel the same connection with it. And don't tell Githya Anna or

01:39:11.060 or gothy Robstam, but I have zero connection with Guido Von Liss ruins. So it's definitely the elder.

01:39:24.060 Nick, I need you to cut Sarah's feed. No, I'm just playing put Sarah back up there.

01:39:31.600 um all right so and i think i think that's the case with most of us honestly that's my answer

01:39:42.220 too i like the armin and runes in concept but so much of what i do with runes involves galder

01:39:51.180 and they just don't lend themselves to galder whereas the elder really really do

01:39:55.320 And I like that a lot. And it's, you know, it's the one that I'm by far the most familiar with.

01:40:03.600 Personal question for Matt, what is your ethnic background? So typically, when I see that question,

01:40:11.400 I'm white. But outside of that, when people on this broadcast are asking, to get more specific,

01:40:20.440 mostly from the british isles my haplo group my you know why haplo haplo group breaks down to

01:40:34.360 um the one that's in southern uh southern norway in scandinavia as far as my male line way back

01:40:42.300 when but most of my ancestors are from the british isles a little bit of of scottish of celtic in

01:40:49.720 there but a lot of anglo-saxon um i also have fairly recent immigrants to the united states from

01:41:01.400 switzerland and from france they were a couple and the guy was a swissman and he married a

01:41:08.760 french lady and they they moved to the united states i believe in the very very early 1900s

01:41:16.280 I actually, they came over on two separate ships, and I was able to find pictures of both of those ships.

01:41:22.040 But the vast majority of my people are English, of English descent.

01:41:29.760 Our next question.

01:41:32.640 Odin, Vili, and Vey killed Ymir, but Odin, Honir, and Lothar created Askenimbla.

01:41:40.060 Are Honir and Lothar other names for Vili and Vey?

01:41:43.980 I've seen Facebook pagans say that Lothar is Loki, but that's kind of heresy. It's not kind

01:41:51.220 of heresy, it's just heresy. Why do they think that? What do they base that on? They reach out

01:41:57.160 there to find some reason to justify their degeneracy. It's dishonest, and it's absolutely

01:42:03.060 heretical. I do think that they are versions of Vili and Vey, and I think that if you read the

01:42:11.220 myths. It's not just that Vily and Vey and Odin deconstruct Ymir, they're also involved in Asken

01:42:18.020 Embla. Those are in two separate poems where the two, the different triad of gods is

01:42:25.220 breathing in the different life forces into our most ancient ancestors. And yes, Odin, Vily and

01:42:34.240 Bay is the way to go. I do think that, you know, Honer and Lothar are either a corruption of that

01:42:41.980 or share the same meaning. Nothing has to do with Loki doing any of those things.

01:42:49.160 There's not good logic that makes that make sense in a story context. There's not any

01:42:55.440 linguistics that make that make sense. That's just modern degeneracy wanting to rear its head.

01:43:01.760 So here's a question for you, Sarah. What do you think about the claim that other pagans from

01:43:12.080 Europe, like Greeks and Romans, were okay with gay people? Do you agree with that or disagree?

01:43:19.560 I disagree with it. This new concept of trying to make gay seem so normal that it's always

01:43:28.600 been around and gay was the normal and straight was the abnormal just for breeding is just so

01:43:35.160 bizarre to me that were there occasions where greeks or romans may have practiced some degeneracy

01:43:43.400 probably but no i i 100 disagree with it

01:43:47.880 Yeah, I so did people do gay stuff back in ancient pagan times? Sure, some people did

01:44:03.600 that. I think in there were periods, and we know this is historical fact, there were periods

01:44:12.700 where high society people got involved in degenerate behavior i think you see that much more

01:44:21.340 in higher society than you saw in the everyday practice of our ancestors i don't think you see

01:44:29.900 that very much in real in a religious context as being celebrated what you do see though that i

01:44:37.820 that i think is interesting so for example if you look at celebrities today it is shocking how many

01:44:46.780 of them get so wrapped up in their celebrity that they have to search farther and farther

01:44:54.220 afield for more and more degenerate strange things to do i think you see that with

01:45:00.700 all of the famous people hanging out with epstein

01:45:04.300 I think that's probably something that's always gone on to a degree. There's been that allure for people with the power to do whatever they want. They exhaust anything normal, and then they start delving into some very strange things.

01:45:24.140 What I think is important is in most all of those circumstances, it wasn't celebrated and there was a lot of rules to curtail it, being the age of the participants, what you were doing in public versus what you were doing in private.

01:45:47.620 There was a legislative effort in most all of those societies to not celebrate that, to curtail it, and to certainly vilify the catching aspect of the pitchers and the catchers involved in that relationship.

01:46:08.820 And you see that almost universally. If you were the female half, the female pretending half of the homosexual relationship, that was universally condemned by everybody all of the time.

01:46:27.620 And it was something that you would see used in ancient Greece and in ancient Rome frequently as an attack on somebody politically.

01:46:38.060 There have been times where, and we see that today, if you look at just a very short history of the United States, the homosexuality of 2023 is not indicative of what our culture was like 20 years ago.

01:46:57.620 um so in a short amount of time you can see a really wide variety of that and different

01:47:04.460 societies be them pagan or not have gone through you know numerous peaks and valleys when it comes

01:47:12.440 to morality and ethics and and behavior and I I don't think we see that celebrated and I think

01:47:19.400 that's you know I don't think that's the thing and I think that it's really interesting I remember

01:47:26.300 when the country of Greece,

01:47:31.440 who'd they sue, the studio or Oliver Stone

01:47:34.460 or whoever they sued when the movie Alexander came out

01:47:38.260 for the efforts to portray Alexander the Great

01:47:41.260 as a prolific homosexual.

01:47:45.560 The entire country sued the makers of that film

01:47:49.520 because they were so offended by those accusations.

01:47:53.100 So I don't think that was nearly as super cool and accepted as a lot of people think it was back in those times.

01:48:00.960 Although we see that in epic poetry and we see that on pottery of Greeks.

01:48:08.300 I think the Greeks dabbled in that more than most probably.

01:48:13.220 There's lots of talk about heroes in North and West Europe. Is there any heroes that the AFA

01:48:26.940 would like to talk about that is in East and South Europe? I'm sure there are heroes who

01:48:33.160 fought the conversion of rome no there's not as of yet that we celebrate um i'm not opposed to that

01:48:45.160 happening and i'm sure that those heroes existed as well the ones that we celebrate practiced

01:48:56.920 specifically alsatru as opposed to other related branches of arian spirituality

01:49:05.160 but i'm just not most of us i would say are not familiar with the stories of these people who

01:49:11.160 fought the conversion so hard in those places um you know thinking of it right now i'm sure that

01:49:19.720 there are plenty but i don't have a lot of names that really stand out except for maybe emperor

01:49:27.640 julian uh julian the apostate um i think that that celebrating his brief period of brain bringing

01:49:37.080 rome back to to arian paganism was an was an interesting and something to be celebrated

01:49:44.600 other than that i can't really think of any of those heroes of resisting christianization

01:49:50.040 um off the top of my head sarah can you

01:50:03.880 sarah can you think of any heroes from eastern or southern europe no i can't is she any okay

01:50:11.320 yeah neither can i and i think that some of that is just the history and the literature that we've

01:50:17.240 had always had access to in the west there there may be some some folks that are very worthy of

01:50:21.800 celebrating that way um sarah which virtue would you say that egil scallagrimson's life and story

01:50:30.600 embody best? I'm going to go with fidelity to me. If you were his friend, you were his friend and

01:50:49.100 he defended you. You were your family. He took care of you and he defended you. If you were his

01:50:56.960 his wife, he loved tremendously. And yeah, I think the Fidelity would be the one for me.

01:51:12.080 It's, he lived such a wide, such a broad scope of life. It's hard to,

01:51:24.960 you know, it's certainly hard to pick just one. And I think that there's

01:51:30.180 many that apply to him. I think that fidelity is absolutely a great choice about his loyalty to

01:51:38.860 friends. I think courage, he put himself and found himself in lots of dire situations because

01:51:49.820 way that he chose to live. And he continued to choose a life of adventure in a time where there

01:51:59.820 was a heavy cost for life of adventure. He faced likely death over and over and over again and

01:52:09.800 found his way out of it because his courage held up. So I would say courage. I think there's lots

01:52:16.380 of right answers to that question. So, okay, next question. Thoughts on Tom Rousel's stance

01:52:36.580 on the Kennewick man not being European, but was instead a descendant of ancient North Eurasians,

01:52:43.420 which explains why his skeleton appears to be of a European structure.

01:52:50.360 This is the first that I heard of his stance on Kenilic Man.

01:52:56.080 Sarah, do you have any thoughts on that or any reactions to that?

01:53:02.440 No, I've actually never heard that.

01:53:07.420 And I'm not very familiar with Tom either.

01:53:13.420 Yeah, I don't have a particularly strong dog in that fight, and I think that's kind of a misnomer.

01:53:33.440 I don't think that the AFA ever claimed to know exactly where Kenamookman was from.

01:53:39.680 What they did claim was there was obvious differences between his skeleton and Native American skeletons that reflect him being from a different group of people.

01:53:54.780 There's always been a push to want to find out more, to want to look into that, and to want to consider whether he was a European, because he did have European features.

01:54:05.020 Ancient North Eurasians, the part of Eurasians implies that there is at least a European

01:54:16.380 connection for better or for worse on that. And so we know so little of very ancient migratory

01:54:24.860 patterns of people. There is increasing evidence that there were a lot of different people

01:54:30.300 in north america in the americas generally that weren't what you would

01:54:36.800 what would be considered today as native native americans that it's really hard to hard to tell

01:54:45.160 good night sweetheart um yeah so i i mean i think that's interesting i think one of the things that

01:54:55.540 is our one of our virtues is truth and we would like to know the right answer i think the right

01:55:01.940 answer is what's really important and honoring him in a way that's conclude that's uh consistent

01:55:08.660 with the right answer the best right answer we had at the time was that he wasn't native american

01:55:16.580 and that his features looked european um so that's what we were going with um i think we're

01:55:24.340 all in support of a correct answer. The trouble is the powers that be in the United States and

01:55:32.360 the political advocacy groups of the time wouldn't let that be the case. They stacked the deck as

01:55:41.660 much as humanly possible to every single skeleton that is pre-1492 is absolutely an American Indian

01:55:50.800 skeleton no questions asked and they refuse to you know actually and realistically examine the

01:55:56.640 question there's a number of very shady things done to pollute the scene to contaminate the

01:56:05.200 remains that they had to cover up the remains that they had to try to protect the political

01:56:12.080 narrative that they wanted to be the case and i think that's the biggest thing the afa fought

01:56:16.320 against for the time that we fought against it but i'm i'm unfamiliar with uh thomas's

01:56:22.080 stance on that your question is the first that i heard that he has a stance on that

01:56:28.240 um so the question the next question i thought that the government said aliens were real

01:56:36.480 or am i wrong i i am unaware of the government saying that aliens are real i do

01:56:46.320 know that recently, I said recently again, over the past few years, they have acknowledged more

01:56:52.960 and more that UFOs are a thing and that there's been significant government investigations into

01:57:01.620 them and they've taken them much more seriously than people think that they have. I just caution

01:57:07.560 that, you know, because it's unidentified doesn't necessarily equal it being alien.

01:57:12.200 It certainly doesn't preclude it. But Sarah, what are your thoughts on that?

01:57:20.220 Yeah, recently they did acknowledge the sighting of UFOs, but it was always at strategic times,

01:57:26.700 like something else was going on in the world. And then they'd announce, oh, by the way,

01:57:31.300 we've had UFO sightings. So it's hard to take it seriously when there's something

01:57:37.240 that they seemingly tried to distract you from so but they did i mean they did announce it in

01:57:46.780 the regular mainstream news so yeah it's

01:57:54.700 it's been convenient and i think that's

01:58:07.240 yeah and and so follow-up question uh do you think things like ufo sightings are real

01:58:14.120 or are people making it up or seeing illusions and the men in black people who are said to

01:58:21.640 threaten and silence people who see ufos are they real what are your thoughts on those subjects

01:58:27.880 sarah i believe that um ufo sightings are real um in general i do believe that there are some

01:58:38.600 people that make it up to explain their absences from their loved one's life and they're were

01:58:45.960 drinking in the backwoods and needed a good story to tell their wife when they got home

01:58:51.200 But I do believe that a majority of the UFO sightings are real.

01:58:58.140 I don't necessarily believe in a concept of the man in black.

01:59:05.540 But I do think that in general, they don't want to be seen.

01:59:12.000 And that may sound a little crazy, but that's what I think, that they don't really want to be seen because if they did, they would be.

01:59:20.200 so those are my thoughts on it um yeah that's so again with ufos like i said a second ago i think

01:59:33.220 you need to separate ufos or aliens people who see ufos i think there's a lot of people

01:59:44.460 that see things in the sky that they don't know what they are and that many of us don't know what

01:59:51.660 they are. That is true. That is factual. That happens. People seeing things in the sky that

01:59:56.840 they don't know what they are. That's a thing. The further conclusion that these things are aliens

02:00:04.640 or that these things are, you know, the UFO then descends and beams down stuff or abducts them or

02:00:13.180 whatever else. Like I said before, there's, I don't believe those people are telling, I don't

02:00:27.100 believe that what they're describing happened to them, but they believe it a hundred percent

02:00:32.200 and they're not lying to me. So something happened to them. And I'm very curious what that is.

02:00:39.360 um and that's kind of a strange gray area but i don't think everyone who claims to have had

02:00:48.440 an experience with ufos or men in black or any of those things i don't think they're all i

02:00:55.520 i know they are not lying many of them are but they are not all lying

02:01:02.340 I also can't tell you that any of them are telling me something that actually happened

02:01:10.160 in the way they are describing. But something happened. There's some reason that they're

02:01:17.500 saying the things that they're saying. And I'm very fascinated in what that reason is.

02:01:22.780 And I don't know. I think there is a lot of mystery in the universe yet for us to discover.

02:01:32.340 And I think that that is one of those things that is a really, really interesting phenomenon.

02:01:38.040 And it's it's fascinating.

02:01:40.960 I can't tell you that I believe that aliens are interacting with these people or that there's this men in black force that goes out and tries to bully people that have these interactions.

02:01:55.020 I can't tell you that that is the case.

02:01:57.400 I can tell you that there probably are elements of the government and other powers that be that try to shut people up that have stuff that challenges their narrative or the acceptable narrative of what happens.

02:02:12.080 But I don't know if we can put that in the same box.

02:02:27.400 Do you like learning about early Indo-European populations like the Yamnaya people and the Bell Beaker culture and their Corded Ware culture?

02:02:38.780 Sarah, do you like learning about those things?

02:02:46.920 I don't know much about those things, but I like learning, so it does sound like an interesting subject.

02:02:57.400 um I like learning about those things too um I think they're really interesting uh I

02:03:11.080 I have found those particular subjects to be kind of dry and not

02:03:19.960 told in a very exciting way or with enough detail to really get into them but I think

02:03:27.400 And I think what we can learn from those cultures and their artifacts that we've been able to examine are really interesting, excuse me, are really interesting.

02:03:38.720 I think one of the things that has interested me in those cultures has been their, you know, how they dealt with the dead in terms of ashes and urns.

02:03:51.520 I think that's really interesting. And that's something that I enjoyed studying about early on.

02:03:57.160 But it's been a little while since I've looked into those groups of people very much.

02:04:03.280 But I do like learning about that kind of stuff. So that is something that interests me.

02:04:09.440 The next question, what earned Aguil a place amongst AFA heroes? His story seems to have been

02:04:15.800 less conflict regarding conversion than other heroes. Kind of got answered just now, but there

02:04:23.040 are also heroes whose lives were dedicated to the gods without the threat of conversion.

02:04:28.360 But Egil didn't have a particularly impactful display of loyalty to the gods.

02:04:33.400 It's been a minute since I read his saga, though. So to be completely honest with you,

02:04:38.400 the initial days of remembrance that I believe the Ausatru Free Assembly celebrated

02:04:48.640 were at a time where quite frankly and to be honest there was a lot of Viking LARP going on

02:04:57.920 and I think that Steve you know will admit to that that was a phase that a lot of people went through

02:05:03.900 At the time, almost all of the heroes were selected out of the most of them were heroes that were martyred in the Heimskrangla and then a couple of extras.

02:05:22.020 Aguil was one of them.

02:05:22.900 them um believe eric the red and leaf erickson were also in that group initially and it was a

02:05:36.660 lot of just viking guys from a couple of sagas that they thought were really cool and inspirational

02:05:42.340 at the time. And I think that's what that was. It was important to me to

02:05:51.340 add to that list other people who were known for their devotion to our gods and to subtract from

02:06:03.000 that list people that ought not be there. Leif Erickson was a Viking, but he also was one of the,

02:06:10.700 He himself turned his back on our gods to embrace Christianity and to forsake the gods of his ancestors.

02:06:22.420 That disqualifies him from being celebrated as one of our heroes by our church. 1.00

02:06:28.880 Eric the Red was a jerk. 1.00

02:06:33.200 He happened to worship Thor, but he was a jerk to everybody. 1.00

02:06:36.100 There's very little positive that can be said about the guy. 1.00

02:06:39.580 He was booted out of place after place after place because he couldn't get along with anybody, and he was just a jerk to be around. 0.99

02:06:47.720 That also is not okay. 0.98

02:06:51.280 Egil stayed on the list because he was devoted to the Allfather, and he displayed that at numerous times throughout his life.

02:07:01.140 through his runemastery, through his use of the Berserker Gang, through his poetry.

02:07:12.420 I wouldn't say he was some great champion of the cause of Alcetru per se, but he was an Alcetruar

02:07:20.180 who that was evident in a lot of the way that he lived his life, and he lived a heroic and exciting

02:07:26.080 life and i didn't think it was appropriate to remove him from the list

02:07:33.280 so that's that's how that came to be the way that it is

02:07:38.640 um do you know any of the any more of the backstory of how

02:07:42.160 the original heroes populated that astrofree assembly list sarah

02:07:46.880 no actually actually i don't i think at the time you know with what they were doing it made sense

02:07:57.440 to have the more famous ones that had exciting famous stories be the heroes but i like the way

02:08:04.880 the list is made up now yeah and you know there's again i've said this a thousand times

02:08:11.280 it's very easy to look back on stuff from the 70s and 80s and find it silly or to criticize

02:08:21.060 or to poke fun or to whatever. But it's what brought us to where we are today.

02:08:25.800 At that time, a lot of resources that we have now weren't available. And at that time,

02:08:31.660 Steve McNallan, Valgaard Murray, some of the luminaries of the Astro Free Assembly

02:08:38.420 were just starting on this road. And one of their big inspirations to start out with was,

02:08:46.100 man, Vikings are cool. Let's celebrate Vikings. Here's some really cool Vikings. Let's celebrate

02:08:51.420 these guys. That's honest. And it may sound silly or childish, but how many of us

02:08:57.400 was that our first foray into being involved in this was, man, Vikings are awesome. Let's learn

02:09:05.220 more about that. Wow. Vikings are really cool and did heroic, cool stuff. Let's learn more about

02:09:10.900 that. I mean, I know, I know I was there when I first joined. I think a lot of people start there

02:09:17.160 and it's very easy to turn our nose up at it, but I think it is honestly where a lot of us started

02:09:23.760 and that, you know, that obsession with cool Viking stuff

02:09:30.180 is what brought a lot of our people home to our gods, and I don't disregard that or thumb my nose

02:09:38.580 at that at all, and I think it's important to stop and just appreciate that sometimes.

02:09:48.260 Question, since we're on a UFO binge, what do you think about the German breakaway civilization

02:09:54.560 in Antarctica. There's footage of a Hanabu UFO test flight in 1939 Germany that they flew over

02:10:05.140 Washington in 1952. Sarah, have you gone down the Project High Jump Antarctica breakaway German

02:10:14.560 civilization entrance into the hollow earth rabbit hole i don't know a lot about it but i

02:10:23.380 have seen the footage of the the ufo going over washington dc and it looks pretty fake

02:10:31.520 it looks like um early doctor who sci-fi fake so i don't i don't believe in that

02:10:41.120 I don't believe it happened.

02:10:45.460 I don't either.

02:10:51.760 So the Germans of that time were certainly very advanced in terms of flight, in terms of rocketry, in terms of a lot of really, really cool things.

02:11:11.120 And Wernher von Braun was such a huge force after the war in our space program.

02:11:19.040 So there was cool stuff involving space.

02:11:22.920 I will go that far.

02:11:27.480 Beyond that, I really don't know.

02:11:29.700 I will tell you what.

02:11:30.760 the stuff with Admiral Byrd and talking about things in Antarctica and Project High Jump and

02:11:40.280 stuff, I think that's really interesting. I don't believe in the hollow earth. I don't

02:11:49.440 believe that there is...

02:11:54.040 And something that, okay, and this is what I think is a truth.

02:12:00.760 There was a generation of people that watched their country and their civilization and their whole world go from a really impoverished and a really bad place after the First World War.

02:12:24.880 and they watched things exponentially get amazingly better and they watched so many

02:12:34.280 things that made up their wildest dreams being achieved in 10 years and they saw such something

02:12:43.120 that they felt was very very beautiful happen and it all came crashing down very very quickly

02:12:49.380 And I think it shattered a lot of people mentally. And I think that a lot of people came up with

02:12:58.180 very inventive and creative ideas in their head to try to negate that, or to try to escape from

02:13:06.640 the reality that they saw around them. Whatever anybody's beliefs were,

02:13:12.020 um vast chunks of these people's country was destroyed to rubble that was just a few years

02:13:24.520 ago immaculate and amazing and a lot of people didn't know how to cope with that and i think

02:13:33.840 that's really hard to wrap your mind around if you weren't in that situation but i think a lot

02:13:40.060 people came up with some really really creative ways to escape from the reality they were facing

02:13:47.980 and to pretend things weren't as bad as they were for them or that things that they loved didn't

02:13:54.140 really die the way that they saw them die and so i think that that sprung up a lot of really

02:14:01.020 really interesting fan fiction for lack of a better term but i i don't think that's a thing um

02:14:15.020 yeah i it would take a lot more convincing for me to think any of that

02:14:18.620 has a lot of merit and i haven't seen a lot of evidence to to demonstrate that that's true

02:14:24.780 um where does the vns theme song come from it's a banger it really is it's super cool um

02:14:36.060 i had this information handy and i think that nick if he wanted to and was going to do us an

02:14:44.060 awesome favor because he's such a cool guy could probably pull that up and put it on the screen

02:14:47.740 we have it listed because that's a condition of our using it in the description of each of these

02:14:53.600 videos, but it's from a, you know, free to use for this kind of thing source. It's a piece called

02:15:00.940 Legionnaire. And it really spoke to me. I really liked it. It captured the theme of kind of the

02:15:08.020 attitude that I wanted this, this program to have. And I think it's amazing. And yeah, Nick may

02:15:14.960 could find that information for you. If not, if you send us an email, we could give, aha, there he

02:15:19.980 goes. There he goes. Didn't let me down, Nick. You're awesome. Thank you. From a good gentleman

02:15:25.900 called Scott Buckley that makes a number of these instrumental pieces for this kind of a thing.

02:15:32.860 But yeah, it's awesome. I absolutely love it. I'm glad you guys like it too.

02:15:42.300 Next question. Operation High Jump actually lost units in Antarctica and

02:15:48.220 uh forestall was suicides to shut him up the ufo aliens could be germans thoughts

02:16:01.180 again that is the piece of it that i find really really interesting

02:16:06.940 something happened with operation high jump something happened there was something there

02:16:11.980 was it the german breakaways no because in the last 80 years we would have seen that'd be a

02:16:22.800 thing in the last 80 years we would know about it that would all come out it would be a big thing

02:16:27.760 was there something there something happened and i don't know what it was this is what i'm saying

02:16:33.560 about do i buy into nazis in antarctica no do i buy into the hollow earth no do i think it was an

02:16:43.960 alien fleet no but i know it wasn't nothing i know it was absolutely something what it was

02:16:53.400 is fascinating to me and i will continue to watch stuff on it and be fascinated about it

02:17:00.040 and hold out that little piece of myself to be skeptical and maybe there was something really

02:17:07.340 crazy happening. And I hope there was. It's really, really interesting. And I'm not looking

02:17:10.940 down on anybody who finds that interesting and goes down that rabbit hole. You can ask Mandy

02:17:16.640 because every now and again, she'll come up on like suggested YouTube stuff or suggested things

02:17:22.980 based on stuff that I've watched. And she just shakes her head at me because those are the kind

02:17:27.740 documentaries that i will you know go to sleep watching and not making fun i am that guy that

02:17:35.260 will watch all that stuff but i also don't necessarily believe most of it but i am very

02:17:41.580 intrigued by it um what are your thoughts on operation high jump and what they may or may

02:17:47.980 not have found sarah well i i think it's about what you said and um

02:17:55.740 um I don't believe it was Germans in Antarctica I just I I don't I but I'm inconsistent because

02:18:03.660 I believe Germans are in Argentina so I don't know I guess I'm all over the place on it they're very

02:18:10.680 it's very interesting to think about but it's it's also very consuming and there's a lot of

02:18:16.620 real world stuff so you know I I don't know that's the thing it's cool it's certainly interesting I

02:18:25.140 a lot of us in life, we said that we didn't look into that or didn't find it interesting or didn't

02:18:30.200 watch those things. I think it's really curious. I just think the explanations so far that I've

02:18:35.840 heard are just fanciful beyond anything that makes any sense to me with my understanding of

02:18:42.220 history and geography. And it's like the flat earth thing. I don't believe that. That's nonsense.

02:18:49.980 that's completely ridiculous. I will go so far. That's not true. But it's really interesting to 0.99

02:18:55.920 me that some of these people come up with these really out there theories to try to explain it,

02:19:00.880 but I just, that does not meet with the reality that my last, you know, 42 years have shown me

02:19:07.840 in any way, shape or form. And I've traveled over the pole and I've traveled lots of places and

02:19:14.360 that's just not how how things are um next question i don't doubt there are other species

02:19:23.240 in the universe but tend to agree with jason georgiani that most of the strange things

02:19:30.760 are being perpetuated by a breakaway advanced human civilization thoughts sarah do you think

02:19:37.560 in any form there is a breakaway advanced human civilization involved in any of these things

02:19:52.440 i hope there is i honestly do

02:19:57.640 i would like to think that there's a group of of humans that have gotten so advanced that they

02:20:02.040 they have separated themselves from society and live freely on their own doing really cool things.

02:20:08.440 Whether it's actually true, I don't know.

02:20:12.920 I have always been a science fiction fan. I still am currently. I really like the idea of that

02:20:23.200 being true, I would not bet on that being true at all. I don't see any reason to think that that's

02:20:34.240 true. It's probably not true. I think there are probably some very, in the early stages,

02:20:46.160 things like that, that are talked about in different places. I think that there are proto

02:20:51.400 versions that are probably way less exciting than that question implies that may exist

02:20:57.460 in concept or in very, very early stage things. And I think some of that's probably true. But as

02:21:05.200 far as, you know, all the fanciful stuff, I just don't see it as being the case.

02:21:12.800 Question. Von Braun warned against the fake alien invasion as an excuse to form a one world

02:21:19.380 government i think eggiel would have fought against this psyop thoughts sarah do you think

02:21:30.180 that if engels gallagrimson were and it's hilarious you know it is who asked the question

02:21:38.340 but it's also interesting and we're absolutely going to answer it do you think that he would

02:21:43.300 be leading the charge against the supposed PSYOP of trying to convince us there's aliens

02:21:53.460 in order to force a one world government.

02:21:58.020 Yeah, I definitely think he would because he'd recognize it as not right.

02:22:04.760 I definitely think he would.

02:22:08.600 I don't think that's going to happen though.

02:22:13.300 i think something else is more plausible you know like a virus that that takes over the world and

02:22:20.100 and our governments make it seem worse than it is and they lock us in our homes to protect us and

02:22:27.140 they destroy the economies so that we're dependent on the government and i think that's plausible

02:22:33.780 no wait sarah that already happened i'm not sure i i lived i lived through that three years ago

02:22:40.340 um yeah and i just for the record you can ask anybody i i called that immediately i still

02:22:51.620 stand by that i want that in the annals of history um if

02:22:59.780 If Agil Scalagrimson was around today, and if he believed that that supposed PSYOP was actually happening, I think he would absolutely be opposed to any psychological operation that was intended to trick people into the NWO.

02:23:23.660 um i think a lot of that's kind of a leap but i do so here's the thing you know i've been

02:23:33.340 debunking or you know criticizing a lot of these things i do think some of that is true

02:23:42.220 not that it's a real thing but that it is in

02:23:48.100 the one world government people's best interest to further the narrative of malevolent aliens

02:23:59.220 to unite earth as seeing it as us versus them as earth being one people and the aliens being

02:24:06.720 different people i think that is because i think that's an obvious play i think a lot of people

02:24:13.160 have talked about it for a really long time i remember in high school a friend of mine who you

02:24:19.640 know was not racially aware was like man you know all this all this nonsense we the earth would just

02:24:26.520 be a peaceful place we'd all get along once we once we discover aliens then all that will be

02:24:31.640 solved and we'll all just be one people against the aliens so i think a lot of people see that

02:24:37.320 as an eventuality or on if this happened then that would happen and i absolutely think that

02:24:45.560 you know i think that those folks will use anything that is useful to them to further a

02:24:51.080 narrative something they'd like i think it is still so fanciful to most people that is much

02:24:58.520 more likely to be other staged crises like sarah mentioned and like we've seen some of in the last

02:25:06.440 couple of years um matt on a previous stream you seem to have a dislike for dave martell

02:25:16.040 wasn't he the producer of steven mcnallan's show god's folk and destiny he seems like a cool guy

02:25:23.240 um during the time he produced that show he did seem like a cool guy

02:25:28.840 um but yes i have an active dislike for dave martell because dave martell likes to

02:25:36.440 snuggle up to people that have a reputation or that are important in

02:25:46.880 the folkish ausitru scene and

02:25:52.820 get himself into positions of having a bigger platform or a louder microphone than he has

02:26:03.760 and to use that to, I don't know, promote his basement celebrity. He's been very

02:26:13.500 detrimental to a lot of folks that he's had interaction with. And then, you know, I talk

02:26:21.920 disparagingly about the Naranis Society because I genuinely stand firmly against the way they

02:26:28.420 approach our faith. But he's also done very wrong by them and caused them a lot of damage and was

02:26:34.580 ousted from that group that he was a part of for quite some time. He continues to, you know,

02:26:44.160 try to make himself important by standing on the back of other people that have actually made

02:26:48.920 accomplishments. And at the end of the day, he's just kind of a loud mouth. He was an AFA member

02:26:55.020 for a time. We invited him to stuff that was within half an hour of his house, but he could

02:27:01.640 never, ever, ever trouble himself to actually show up for anything, be it a moot, be it our

02:27:07.840 winter night celebrations, any of the things that we held very, very close to him. He couldn't show

02:27:14.680 up in the real world and be part of those for some very strange reason. But no, I think he's

02:27:21.380 very bad intentioned person. I don't think he's a person of high character.

02:27:34.740 Do you have an idea on how many Germans settled in Argentina? And can you touch on what they've

02:27:40.900 been up to since they landed? Sarah, what are your thoughts?

02:27:44.420 I don't have an actual number. But I mean, the DNA down there does have a good percentage of

02:27:55.620 at least the people that I've interacted with have a good percentage of German in them.

02:28:01.780 So obviously, they've been expanding their ranks while they're down there. So I don't have numbers.

02:28:10.020 and I don't have the inside scoop of what they're working on down there either.

02:28:15.300 So I don't have numbers either, but it's a thing. That's not pretend. Refugees from

02:28:32.340 Third Reich Germany escaped and settled in South America, quite a few of them.

02:28:37.620 A number of them were very successful in business and a number of things down there.

02:28:44.300 There's a significant German or German descendant population in that country.

02:28:53.200 That's that's a thing. And a lot of them went on to lead successful lives down there.

02:28:58.600 I am certainly I'm certain that they networked with people down there that shared similar political ideologies with them.

02:29:07.620 um there's a number of those people in south america this

02:29:15.220 the deviancy that modern media would tell you was the case of uh

02:29:26.020 fascism or national socialism of the time is kind of a modern invention there was a lot of

02:29:31.300 a lot of political discussion that was in line with some of those ideas in South America at the

02:29:38.140 time. And so I think that certainly they hooked up with people that had similar ideas to them or

02:29:44.300 similar sympathies and worldviews with them. And a lot of them lived out their life successfully

02:29:51.040 in seclusion in places and amongst people that were favorable to them. And I think that's, you

02:29:57.540 lot of that's historically documented and easily available. As someone who actually did die

02:30:06.420 temporarily, I have felt it necessary to pay special respects to hell. Any suggestions on

02:30:12.740 going about that, or if I even should? Sarah, do you have any thoughts?

02:30:19.380 no you shouldn't uh hell is considered a part of chaos and you don't want to invite the chaos

02:30:31.740 into your life we worship the gods of order um so i guess in that situation i would i would pay

02:30:42.400 respects to your ancestors and to the seer that's that we're watching out for you but not help so

02:30:56.320 there is a

02:31:00.960 all right most most people

02:31:04.960 are against interacting with hell more than is necessary.

02:31:16.980 A lot of people feel that hell is, as Sarah said, associated with forces of chaos,

02:31:28.780 and that's not typically where we direct our attention.

02:31:32.560 it's one of those things and i think i may be an outlier in this i think that we don't see the same

02:31:40.580 i don't see think we see a chaotic malevolence there

02:31:45.640 i think that she has a function i think that the underworld is her responsibility to tend

02:31:53.560 and we see her treating balder with with honor and entertaining him in state when he had his time

02:32:00.340 with her. I would also advise caution on that. And I'm not sure the nature of why you think

02:32:12.000 that you should interact with hell. I don't take the hard line that that's a hard no-no. I know

02:32:20.780 that a lot of people do. But I think that you would probably need a really good reason to do

02:32:28.780 that and i think that that's one of those things that i would caution against doing unless you feel

02:32:37.020 very uh prepared to do that um i don't know the nature of your near-death experience or how that

02:32:45.980 worked out for you i think that sarah's suggestion is always a really good one to direct that energy

02:32:53.740 or direct that need to acknowledge that experience towards your ancestors. And I think that's

02:33:02.100 a better bet. And that's what I would advise you to do. I don't have as hard line of view

02:33:08.680 on hell as I think a lot of people do. That's not the same as I encourage you to bring her

02:33:16.440 into your life. But that's another thing that is very, very interesting to me. And this is not

02:33:24.820 lunatic, you fringe, crazy stuff. Near-death experiences are fascinating. And I think it's

02:33:32.380 the closest that we've come to being able to see beyond the veil and then come back and share that

02:33:41.620 information. So I think it's a very meaningful and very interesting experience. And I do think

02:33:46.380 you should explore it fully. I'm just not sure if that's why you should. And I'd be curious where

02:33:52.540 you got the idea that that's something you ought to do and know a little bit more about that.

02:34:01.740 Speaking of aliens and the NWO and all that, Heinlein wrote a thing or two on it. Do you want

02:34:12.320 to know more. I'm curious. I'm only familiar with his works of fiction. I'm not familiar

02:34:22.240 with his, you know, any kind of nonfiction work in that regard. But yeah, sure, I'd be

02:34:28.840 curious. I think he was a really good author. Okay. This is the first I've seen of this.

02:34:38.180 I'm not sure where it was, and I'm sorry that we've kept it to, ah, yes, it's over on Entropy.

02:34:44.060 It couldn't have been that long ago because I have been checking it.

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02:35:00.400 It's a very nice donation.

02:35:01.760 Thank you.

02:35:02.980 I'm watching literally all the VNS podcasts.

02:35:06.420 I can't wait to reach the video on the runes.

02:35:12.440 I wait patiently for a full-fledged part of the website discussing the folk futhark.

02:35:19.100 Is pouring mead on an ash tree suffice for a bloat to Odin?

02:35:25.220 Offering heartfelt words and mead to the tree.

02:35:29.100 Thank you for all you do. I hope to play a bigger part with time.

02:35:33.920 That is really nice. Thank you very much for your donation. Thank you also for taking the time to

02:35:42.240 listen to the VNS shows. I've loved doing every single one I've been a part of,

02:35:48.620 and I've tried to spy on slash interact in the comment sections with the few I wasn't able to

02:35:54.900 be a part of because I had a co-host because I was traveling or a guest host because I was traveling.

02:36:03.920 So, first, yes, the point is that you are reaching out honestly and from the heart to interact with one of our gods and making an offering.

02:36:17.720 I think that a lot of people, if they don't have an altar set aside or they don't have a horde set aside in their yard, the default after that is to give that offering to a tree.

02:36:32.020 I don't know why that is. I think that's kind of a natural thing for folks to do. I think that's

02:36:39.780 something our people have always done. And I think it's something that left to their own devices,

02:36:44.860 if people don't know any better, that's what they end up doing. So I don't think that's a bad thing

02:36:50.440 at all. There's no way for you to reach out and hand it to Odin himself. So the best thing that

02:36:56.280 you're doing is picking a special place and with intention, pouring it out there. And at the end

02:37:02.660 of the day, I don't think, you know, Valhalla is not running short of mead. The offering that you

02:37:08.920 make with the mead is, that is the point, the energy that you put into it and the pieces of

02:37:14.920 yourself and your heart that you put into it. That's what matters. And I have to believe that

02:37:21.360 the All-Father looks favorably upon that, and that that's a good offering and a great way to

02:37:26.820 do it. I know that's what I've done many, many times. I certainly know that's what most all of

02:37:31.940 us do when we start out. And I think that's absolutely perfect. And I commend you on actually

02:37:36.700 going out there and doing that. The biggest thing, the hardest journey for so many people is that

02:37:42.540 journey from the couch to the door. We could, and many, many people do,

02:37:49.980 spent their whole lives intellectualizing and thinking what they should do and what it would

02:37:56.000 be like if they did and how this ought to be. And they never actually do. They never actually

02:38:03.580 participate. They never actually engage in the gift cycle. You have engaged in the gift cycle.

02:38:10.260 And that is the first step. And congratulations for doing that. I think that's a really good thing.

02:38:19.980 Yeah, do you have any thoughts on that, Sarah?

02:38:28.920 I think that's a very good way to honor Odin and show him reference.

02:38:35.240 Just going with the heartfelt words to him and the pouring out of the meat is good.

02:38:44.400 It's good.

02:38:44.940 We've done that here.

02:38:49.980 yeah like i said i think that's really i think that when anybody does any of these things for

02:38:55.820 the first time it feels different or outside of their norm and i think they wonder how other

02:39:01.820 people do it and i think truth be told inherently we probably all started out doing it very very

02:39:11.900 similarly that's because we're one people and that's because these things come from our folk soul

02:39:19.980 The way that Aryan people, the way that white people experience religiosity comes from the same root and it displays itself in very, very similar ways, even separated by time, by space.

02:39:38.020 If people had never heard that this is how other people do it, we would find ourselves doing it a very similar way.

02:39:45.720 And I think that that is in evidence by your question.

02:39:49.980 The next question, why was the Oust-True Free Assembly dismantled?

02:39:55.720 And what inspired the resurrection of the Oust-True Focusing?

02:40:00.240 So, this happened when I was about seven years old.

02:40:06.740 So, I can't tell you with authoritative perspective from the first person.

02:40:14.620 And I can tell you what I've learned talking to Stephen McNallan, which I've been able to enjoy a friendship with for a number of years, what he's expressed to me and what I've, you know, I think we've all read in his book, what I've talked to other people who were around at the time about.

02:40:34.300 And I don't claim that this is 100% the truth as it happened, because again, I wasn't there.

02:40:45.080 This is what I've been able to gather and understand over the years.

02:40:52.480 So, and I've seen a lot of these things to be true with our people over the years, but we're growing and improving.

02:41:03.380 Everybody, my understanding is that our people got really upset over anything involving money or anything involving Steve McNallan being compensated in any way for any of the things he was doing in running the Astro Free Assembly.

02:41:26.980 yet he needed to spend a vast amount of his personal time doing it without the help of

02:41:37.960 other people who didn't want to help and volunteer but when he suggested that he made

02:41:45.140 any kind of financial money off of it everyone turned on him and got bitter and and grumpy about

02:41:54.840 it and i've seen that um so he found himself doing all of the work but being criticized every time he

02:42:08.520 wanted to be compensated if every time he wanted to you know make any money off of it every time

02:42:14.920 he wanted to um you know anything that was perceived as him wanting to be special or

02:42:22.840 him wanting to make any money or be the guy in charge everyone got mad and had this egalitarian

02:42:31.720 thing yet they wanted steve to do all of the work and i say that not disparaging any of our elders

02:42:40.040 who are part of that group i'm not saying that that's i think that that's very much how steve

02:42:45.560 felt again i wasn't there and um that's the impression that i got please don't hold him

02:42:51.320 accountable for these things i'm saying this is just the impression that i got so if i'm

02:42:56.760 misrepresenting it please put that all on me um what also seems to be the case as far as the

02:43:05.560 founding of the austro folk assembly so steve was very disheartened by that is my understanding

02:43:11.800 and that really put a bad taste in his mouth he had you know given decades of his life to building

02:43:17.880 this and was treated really poorly by the people that he had built it and were you know

02:43:25.000 sitting under the tree that he had planted intended um so he went

02:43:32.200 around the world he went to war zones he went uh writing he's an amazing writer and he wrote

02:43:38.600 you know mostly articles but he wrote for a soldier of fortune magazine and some other things

02:43:43.000 as a freelance author of articles as far as i understand so he traveled around he went to asia

02:43:49.880 he went to africa he went to all these you know very volatile places and had these adventures

02:43:55.320 kind of re-centering himself he never he never stepped back from our gods he maintained his

02:44:03.000 relationship with odin during this time but it was hard for him and there was a lot of mental baggage

02:44:10.920 and pain involved in Ausatru as an organized faith because he'd been treated relatively

02:44:21.360 poorly by people he'd given a lot to.

02:44:27.600 At this time, there was no such thing as universalist or leftist woke Ausatru.

02:44:33.120 That wasn't a thing.

02:44:34.120 Ausatru was always an ethnic faith.

02:44:37.460 It was always folkish.

02:44:39.040 That was just common sense and understood as part and parcel with Ausiture.

02:44:46.260 But in the early 90s, things started to change with the advancement of what was known then

02:44:53.240 as the Ring of Troth later became the Troth.

02:44:56.660 Now it's become largely defunct.

02:45:01.280 They started getting further and further away from any celebration of our folk and they

02:45:08.440 became very quickly caught up with whatever was was pc at the moment or what was

02:45:18.680 inclusive at the moment and that's not what else is true is supposed to be about

02:45:24.680 and watching this go relatively unchecked for so long i think steve had some time to reflect

02:45:32.600 on things that were done then that he would do differently now the things that worked then

02:45:38.120 things that didn't and he wanted to start some things up again and the first step

02:45:44.760 was restarting issuing uh the runestone and all of the old editions of the runestone certainly

02:45:51.080 all the ones we've been able to find are in our library section on the house to truth uh runa

02:45:59.240 runestone.org we have a library section that has digitized or you know copied and

02:46:08.840 scanned in versions of the rune stones as much as we've been able to recover

02:46:13.560 but that was a publication that he did for a long time and he stopped for a period

02:46:18.040 and in the early 90s he started again and he started and sheila helped him with it and

02:46:26.760 they discussed with themselves and intimate friends of theirs and whatever and over

02:46:35.160 that Yule period, and this is why you'll find a different reckoning of the foundation date

02:46:43.940 of the Ausch-True Folk Assembly. In the Rune Stone, you'll see like the December issue of

02:46:50.360 1994 says, we're gonna start this new thing. We're gonna start the Ausch-True Folk Assembly.

02:46:57.160 And then in January, or whatever the first issue is of 1995, you see, we have started. This has happened. So in that Yule period was when this became a thing in, I call it New Year's, New Year's Day in 1995 is what we're going with.

02:47:20.780 um but yeah they there was a need to reassert focus house true and to kind of take back a role

02:47:33.100 in steering focus house true and over the next i would say 10 years the afa went from just a group

02:47:41.920 of people who would meet in california to the leading voice in focus house true to where now

02:47:48.320 it it it is focused also true um and so that's that's what i've seen on that sarah do you have

02:47:56.240 anything to add on that or is there anything that you saw from your perspective over your time being

02:48:01.680 also true no um steve covers it in his book though so if anybody wanted to know more on the subject

02:48:15.200 and and what happened and what he did in between and the reasons he came back

02:48:20.560 you could read his book that i'm sure nick has a link to

02:48:26.640 we keep testing nick today and he keeps coming out on top so i appreciate that

02:48:35.520 there we go

02:48:36.000 um before i get to different questions i was looking over in the chat

02:48:52.560 and barry the gentleman who asked the question about his near-death experience explains it a

02:48:56.960 little bit more in the chat he says my near death is actually my reason for considering the gods real

02:49:03.600 not sure what's real and what's hallucination but in what i saw i met with my grandfather

02:49:10.880 and odin and witnessed hell waving me away

02:49:14.760 if you do want to reach out to hell that's something i think that you should do privately

02:49:25.580 in whatever capacity you feel you need to do. If you feel you need to give her a gift or an

02:49:34.200 offering of thanks or whatever you'd like to do, I think that well-intentioned is appropriate,

02:49:40.000 but I think that's probably something you do privately. But something else I noticed,

02:49:45.280 I think that you need to give bloat to Odin. If you notice that Odin welcomed you back

02:49:50.940 into the world of the living, then I think that's where I put a lot of my focus. And also

02:49:57.020 that you met and interacted with your grandfather. That's one of the very, very common things that we

02:50:04.540 see in a lot of near-death experiences is our ancestors that have passed before us, welcoming us

02:50:11.740 and greeting us and interacting with us. And I think that's a very real thing. And I think it's

02:50:19.500 something that we hear very often from people who've had that experience in their life.

02:50:24.020 So I think that, you know, I would focus that attention on my grandfather and on Odin and,

02:50:29.340 you know, do what you feel you need to do to make it right with hell if you think that's

02:50:34.200 something you need to do. But that's where I put a lot of my focus, certainly where I put my public

02:50:40.060 focus. I just felt that was useful going over there and seeing the rest of that conversation.

02:50:49.500 Our next question. Are there AFA members in South America? Is the AFA site and other things

02:51:02.060 in other languages like Spanish? If not, could that help increase members since not all of them

02:51:08.320 speak English? So a couple of questions there. Are there AFA members in South America? Yes, there are.

02:51:15.420 not nearly as many as i would like unfortunately but there are um there are afa members in south

02:51:23.880 america we currently have two afa members in south america it's not an enormous number um we've had

02:51:30.880 different folks in different places over time um we currently have a member in ecuador and we have

02:51:39.880 a member i gotta check i gotta zoom in on the map here because he's super close to uh argentina

02:51:47.880 isn't it yes but just barely he's like at the border of uruguay um so yeah we have two members

02:51:56.120 uh we've had members in chile we've had members in brazil we've had a member in uruguay before um

02:52:05.320 um as to your question on translation no they're not because that technology has kind of become

02:52:14.080 obsolete Google translate translates whole websites now so it is much more efficient

02:52:22.840 for anybody who is not an English speaker to use the Google translate to translate the website

02:52:29.140 itself. That works really well, and I think that's the best way for non-English speakers

02:52:35.020 to access the AFA site in their language.

02:52:43.660 In regards to the Alvismal, would Thor protecting his daughter from a dwarf be a lesson on fathers

02:52:51.380 making sure their daughters don't end up with someone outside the folk?

02:52:56.140 Absolutely. I think that it could. Yes. I think it's, I'm not, I don't think necessarily that

02:53:04.900 was the intention of it. I think it was, you know, them not approving of the match and it being a

02:53:12.000 not suitable match. That is absolutely, I think, an appropriate lesson to learn from it or way to

02:53:19.780 apply it. What do you think, Sarah? I think it's definitely an example of a father wanting the best

02:53:27.720 for his daughter and her future. And he obviously noticed that it wasn't right and he did what he

02:53:33.940 could to prevent it. There you go. And I think you can extend that to any poor, poor relationship

02:53:44.700 choice that your daughter might find herself in. Is hell really part of the forces of chaos?

02:53:55.980 It's likely a lot of us will end up with her. I don't think that inevitability

02:54:02.220 is the measure of that or not. I do think that a lot of us will pass through her realm and I think

02:54:10.800 that being respectful is certainly appropriate. I know that a lot of people certainly put her

02:54:18.960 in that camp, or at least outside of the Shining Aesir in Asgard.

02:54:33.860 Hell occupies a gray area that makes a lot of people uncomfortable. A lot of people will end

02:54:38.900 up with her there's a difference between being respectful and actively engaging her in the same

02:54:45.620 worship cycle that we do the rest of the ic here if that makes if that makes a sense and it's a

02:54:51.460 it's a subtle difference i understand that if it doesn't make sense

02:54:58.420 all right so these are this is an interesting question

02:55:02.260 how do we deal with family members who commit homosexuality and miscegenation

02:55:06.820 question. What about if one of our children grows up to choose that path? Do we disown them?

02:55:17.180 I will start out first by saying there's no one size fits all only answer to that question.

02:55:26.120 And it is a question that unfortunately a lot of people have to face

02:55:30.320 in the day and age that we live in. Sarah, what would you say to that question?

02:55:36.820 Well, first of all, it's very easy for me to sit and say what I would firmly and convictively do, but I have never been put in that situation.

02:55:49.160 And as a mom, your bond with your child is a little different.

02:55:53.380 So I would not associate with them.

02:55:58.040 I would disown them.

02:56:00.600 But again, I haven't been put in that situation.

02:56:05.040 So for my firm convictions now, I firmly say I would disown them.

02:56:10.020 Have it come up?

02:56:11.000 I don't know.

02:56:12.600 And that is as honest as I can be.

02:56:14.460 I can tell you that my husband has dealt with that situation with two of his four children.

02:56:21.000 And he takes a harder line on a lot of things.

02:56:27.020 Harder than most people that I know.

02:56:29.800 And he did completely cut off and disown two of his kids.

02:56:34.400 so there's that. So

02:56:40.120 I really hope that I don't have to face this exact decision at some point,

02:56:52.080 and I think all of us hope that. I think many of us, unfortunately, find ourselves in that spot,

02:56:58.740 And I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all answer. A lot of things depend, and I know this is kind of a cop-out answer. The best answer to that question is to do everything in your power before that happens to prevent that from happening.

02:57:25.000 and one thing is all of the obvious things to make it clear that that's not acceptable but the

02:57:35.040 other thing is don't push so hard that you put them in the position of to rebel against you

02:57:46.920 pushing so hard making life choices that they can't take back and i think that's a really

02:57:52.840 fine line and a fine balance. And I would caution against that. Your disapproval of those lifestyles

02:58:02.760 are often much better seen as compassionate and principled stances as opposed to

02:58:14.700 coming out as anger or hate-filled frustration. I think the harder you push and the more you make

02:58:25.140 your push overbearing and negative, I think that that may very well put people in a spot where to

02:58:34.560 rebel against you, they make choices that they can't unmake. And so I just think it's something

02:58:40.600 be handled really delicately before they get there. I think it's also to make really clear

02:58:49.080 in a very serious way and not in a ranting and raving way what your expectations of

02:58:54.760 what's appropriate and what's not are and to stand by those firmly.

02:58:59.160 if at the very least what I think is if you have a child who has chosen to do those things and be

02:59:15.880 involved in those things you isolate that and you don't bring that around the rest of us

02:59:22.860 you don't bring that around the rest of our kids and the rest of our families

02:59:27.240 I think that's something you keep to yourself and you deal with within your family, but it does create a wedge and it isolates your children who've done that or pursued that lifestyle from being a part of our community with the rest of us and sharing in our faith and our church community, our AFA family.

02:59:52.140 it cuts that off as a possibility. And that's really unfortunate. But that's a situation I

03:00:00.240 really hope that none of you guys find yourselves in. And I know that's way easier said than done

03:00:08.680 in this day and age. Come on, guys, ask something else. That's a real downer note to end the show

03:00:18.240 on uh i see another okay i see another question in the chat um what exactly was the viking

03:00:32.000 brotherhood was it a small group of people was it a recognized organization it was both of those

03:00:39.840 things um my understanding is that steve's viking brotherhood only lasted for a few years

03:00:49.840 and it was largely like him and a college buddy and it did get official recognition recognition

03:00:59.920 as a 501c3 to my understanding but it was a very very small group of people but it was

03:01:07.280 the foundation of what grew into in just a couple of years the austral free assembly

03:01:13.280 but yeah i think it was much more of a a concept and an idea than it was an actual

03:01:19.840 functioning thing in my understanding do you do you know any more on that sarah

03:01:27.280 no i don't do they still exist because i could explore that first fall fest i went to that i met

03:01:34.480 one okay so it was there was a group there was a group of people later in like 2012 or so

03:01:49.360 in northern california there's a group of guys that wanted to start their own

03:01:55.360 club or their own manor boon as it were and to use the name viking brotherhood and they

03:02:00.640 got steve's permission to do that that group of people was you know relatively small i think maybe

03:02:08.160 at its biggest like 10 or 12 guys um they were afa members at a time they broke away because

03:02:15.760 they didn't really want to do churchy stuff they wanted to do bro time hanging out

03:02:24.320 being kind of a mc but without motorcycles and i'm not really sure where they end up

03:02:33.920 because they ended up leaving the astro folk assembly in like 2020 i want to say

03:02:42.800 so i'm not sure where that group of guys is at today or if that's still a functioning thing or

03:02:48.800 not but it was a they got permission to use the name but they were very much a separate thing and

03:02:54.960 and not really related to i think the what the guy was asking about

03:03:01.920 um and i gotta go over and

03:03:09.840 all right

03:03:10.320 Sarah, what's your favorite book? And what was your favorite to read to your children when they

03:03:19.400 were small? You skipped Mandy's question. I was all ready for that. Okay. Okay. I thought it was

03:03:27.240 silly and would derail you. We'll get back to this question. Sarah, what's your favorite wrestler?

03:03:31.300 okay so old school i like jumping jim brazel um had a huge crush on him when i was in grade school

03:03:44.500 and then mandy's gonna hate this one but it's roddy piper so

03:03:51.020 oh how i can't listen i can't listen to his voice

03:03:57.200 you know what i like him he wears a kilt he wrestles in a kilt he doesn't wrestle he takes

03:04:05.760 it off before he wrestles he wears the blue trunks yes he does he does take it off

03:04:10.100 yes i think he'd get caught up if he wrestled in it i

03:04:14.660 enjoy his discomfort at fighting gold dust at whatever wrestlemania that was i enjoy him in

03:04:24.360 b movies but man his voice bothers me so much when he cuts a wrestling promo

03:04:29.500 um now what is your favorite book and what was your favorite to read your children when they

03:04:37.140 were small uh i my favorite book would i enjoy gone with the wind that has always been one of

03:04:46.800 my favorite um of all time since i was little uh also the black stallion that was a really good book

03:04:53.280 um reading to my kids where the wild things are that that was a favorite book to read to them

03:05:00.560 we have a well-used book the time i got down to my fifth child of it and i love that book

03:05:09.300 i used to really like that when i was a kid i used to really like that book

03:05:15.480 um question will there be a hoff on mars

03:05:20.400 if white people colonize mars then yes there will be a hoff on mars i'm not sure if that's

03:05:29.000 something we're going to do or not i think there's a lot of a lot of distance between here and there

03:05:35.320 on the plausibility of that there's many a slip twixt a cup and a lip but if that happens

03:05:42.720 then yes we would love to have a hoff on mars it'd be fantastic

03:05:46.120 do you think it's better to live in the country instead of the city I know y'all don't use the

03:05:56.460 term pagan or heathen but they seem to mean country dweller all right what are your thoughts

03:06:03.780 on that Sarah I think it depends on well it's obviously a personal choice too but

03:06:11.560 But cities, especially if they're small towns, they're not really that bad.

03:06:19.400 But a country would be nice to have a lot of land also.

03:06:22.360 But I like small town living.

03:06:24.840 I really like that.

03:06:26.260 I couldn't live in a bigger town like Milwaukee or Madison.

03:06:30.440 I can barely breathe when I drive through those places.

03:06:34.440 They're just not for me.

03:06:35.760 So I think it's a personal choice.

03:06:38.600 And you go with what's right for you.

03:06:41.560 So, I think that it's based on situation.

03:06:49.520 When you talk about terms like pagan and heathen, they came about when the major population

03:06:57.020 centers of the area they came about in were already converted and were the focal point

03:07:04.840 of the Christianity of the time.

03:07:09.420 From Rome, seeing the pagan other people or the heathens out in the heath makes a lot

03:07:17.140 of sense.

03:07:18.140 But if you take it back 300 years from that period, Rome was 100% pagan, the greatest cities

03:07:24.360 in the world.

03:07:26.380 Rome and Constantinople were, or I guess at the time, that's ahistorical, Rome and Byzantium

03:07:33.880 Rome, and they were pagan. All of the big cities of the time. Athens was pagan. Sparta was pagan.

03:07:45.960 Alexandria was pagan. So I think that depends on what time you live in. In the world we live in

03:07:53.000 today, in the West, with all of the terrible degeneracy, it's magnified in cities. It's

03:08:00.440 lessened when you can find smaller, more down home, to use the expression, places out in the

03:08:07.020 country in small towns. But I think that's a function of the world we live in. If we as a

03:08:15.280 people reclaimed our birthright, reclaimed our faith and celebrated our faith and built glorious

03:08:21.440 cities where Alistair True was celebrated and honored, I don't think that living in a city

03:08:26.540 would be bad then. I think it all depends on the context. As it is now, I think living in

03:08:32.480 smaller areas that are close to decent size, cities that have the amenities you want is

03:08:40.300 probably your best bet as a compromise between the two. So you have the things from the cities

03:08:44.960 that you want, but you also don't have to be mired in the degeneracy that we see there.

03:08:50.820 But again, it all depends on time and place. And not every city is created equal and neither is

03:08:56.420 every place out in the sticks. Next question. Do you think it might be time to go out in the

03:09:09.560 woods and start homesteading and living off the land considering where our society is heading?

03:09:14.900 No, I do not. I absolutely don't. I think that is escapism and I don't think it's beneficial.

03:09:22.600 I think we are social people. We need community. Now, finding spots where you move closer to people that agree with you and closer to people that practice house are true. Absolutely. But trying to hide from society and run out into the woods. I don't think that works out well.

03:09:44.400 I think that is a life of toil and difficulty and loneliness, and I don't see that working

03:09:50.480 very often.

03:09:51.380 And what it does is it removes you from the struggle of our time.

03:09:55.800 It's the struggle of our time to be part of things that are going on and to make connections

03:10:00.840 and build community and build something beautiful within the husk of the world we see around

03:10:06.400 us.

03:10:07.740 Escaping to the middle of nowhere and living like a hermit takes you off the field.

03:10:12.040 and i think that's i think that's unfortunate i think that's the way to set up a very sad life

03:10:17.560 what are your thoughts on that sarah

03:10:25.480 i think if you are going to do it with a group of people similar to what the plan is for sigerheim

03:10:34.120 kind of and then what they're doing in montana by tyler i think it's a good idea because you still

03:10:40.920 You'll have those connections and you're all working together and you're all on the same page growing together.

03:10:47.140 If that it takes a lot to do and not everyone is built for that and not everybody wants that in their life.

03:10:55.900 So if that's your thing, that's what you want to do.

03:10:58.800 You want to still you're still going to be connected to people in some way.

03:11:02.800 That's great. Do it. I'll visit you.

03:11:07.240 yeah if that's your dream go for it I mean I don't recommend it and I think that what Sarah

03:11:14.580 says the idea of doing that with a group of people um what Tyler's doing up in Montana he's

03:11:21.620 still around other humans and he's trying to bring his friends out there with him to build

03:11:30.300 something that he's doing and that's kind of the dream of Sigurheim we're outside of

03:11:33.860 you know we're not in a major metropolitan area we've got a small town close to us the more people

03:11:40.680 the more afa people we can move into that county the more we can build our own village our own

03:11:47.120 community there but we're also close enough within half an hour or so of you know towns that are big

03:11:52.860 enough that have all the amenities and all the things we want you don't want to you know traveling

03:11:59.400 time only goes one direction in in our in our existence and you can't escape modernity you

03:12:08.680 can't turn back the clock how you shape the world that you're in how you deal with the things that

03:12:15.960 present themselves is all that that it is for you to do and trying to build something special i just

03:12:21.960 think that the more remote you are the less likely you are to have that community and our people need

03:12:27.240 community we need each other the other thing is and sarah mentioned this too is most people ain't

03:12:33.240 about that life most people who talk about spending sun up to sundown you know hewing logs and slopping

03:12:42.040 the hogs and doing the homestead life it's a lot more work than most people think that it is

03:12:49.560 some people are cut out for it but i don't think that that's the best way to go for the majority

03:12:53.480 folks. Our next question, who else is coming to our annual Feast of the Einherjar? I'm excited

03:13:00.540 to attend and meet our founder. That's going to be held in South Dakota, and I think Nick will

03:13:08.600 probably put something up for us. But yeah, who else is going to attend that? If you want to

03:13:17.940 attend that, November 10th through the 12th in South Dakota. You should reach out to your local

03:13:24.000 folk builder. They can get you all set up. I am planning to attend that, so I'd love to see you

03:13:29.240 guys. It'll be a really good event. What are some based films and books other than Conan?

03:13:39.160 I really don't have any off the top of my head. Sarah, do you have any suggestions on based films

03:13:43.780 and books? I recently watched a film called Red Bad, based on, obviously, the ruler that

03:13:56.560 we have a remembrance day for. And that was actually very well done, and there weren't

03:14:01.320 any, it wasn't a diverse movie. So I enjoyed that. Other than that, I can't, I'm sure there

03:14:10.260 are others i just can't think of them right now yeah that's that's harder and harder to find i

03:14:17.460 think that rather than finding ones that are are super based i think that the easier option is

03:14:26.740 trying to find ones that are less less woke than others um unfortunately ah what do you think makes

03:14:39.380 a new person the most comfortable at an event sarah welcoming them talking to them and

03:14:49.460 we do a really great job of that our women are excellent at at first weaving and you enter our

03:14:57.380 hops you are greeted you are welcomed um at the last event i was at at bouldershoff we had horn

03:15:03.700 bearers that welcomed you personally handed you a hoard of mead and just sitting and talking and

03:15:10.500 welcoming and we do a good job of that so i think that's what makes new people feel more comfortable

03:15:18.180 plus we explain everything we do when we do bloats and rituals and assemble we explain it we just

03:15:26.820 don't expect them to know and i think that makes people feel more comfortable with what's going on

03:15:32.260 around them too. What Sarah said, honestly, I think that our ladies certainly lead the way in

03:15:41.020 that they do a great job of that. I think trying to find a way to encapsulate it because it's not 0.81

03:15:52.060 it's not any one one thing um what i love hearing and i hear a lot from new people when it's their

03:16:04.700 first time is that it felt like coming home and how welcome they felt when they got there i think

03:16:12.940 a lot of people you know i've mentioned this before about fear but fear of the unknown is

03:16:17.740 the scariest fear because you can fill in the blanks with whatever you don't like um

03:16:25.900 going out and actually attending an event the overwhelming response is how warmly people feel

03:16:31.260 like they were welcomed like you know they were they were at home and people you know welcome to

03:16:36.780 write in and they they you know they felt so at home there and that feeling happens 0.73

03:16:43.740 you know the first few people you meet I think our women do a really good job of going and 0.96

03:16:51.060 bringing folks in and talking to them and oh you should talk to so and so oh I think you'd like 0.99

03:16:57.020 this I think you'd like that oh and and building those things and initiating those interactions

03:17:02.340 but it depends who you meet first I mean I've seen a lot of our men do that too it's just you

03:17:09.200 know, Hey, I'm so-and-so what's your name? Where are you from? Hey, welcome. And show you guys

03:17:13.240 around. And it's because it's the right thing to do, because it's what we're wired to do.

03:17:20.640 I think it works well. It just naturally works. We see the kids naturally get together with one

03:17:27.720 another and play and go off and have fun. We see the men and the women just naturally

03:17:33.640 start forming that relationship to where they feel comfortable. And it's hard to say, but it's

03:17:40.780 real. It's tangible. I think most all of us felt it our first time in an event. And I would really

03:17:47.200 encourage you to come out and give that a shot because I think you would feel that way too.

03:17:52.320 Will it be a Hoff in Antarctica? If there are a significant number of our folk in Antarctica,

03:17:58.320 we would love to have a Hoff in Antarctica. That would be awesome. But we would first need to

03:18:02.120 have a realistic colony of lots of our people there to make that worthwhile. And I think

03:18:07.380 it's probably a long way off. But I would love to see it one day when we have the people there

03:18:12.260 to warrant it. Is there an AFA equivalent for atheists? What's the AFA's position on the

03:18:21.640 faithless. So, no, there's not an AFA for atheists. For position on the faithless, I don't know quite

03:18:40.840 how to answer that question. By our existence, our position is that the faithless are wrong.

03:18:47.980 They are wrong because we know that our gods are real and exist.

03:18:53.920 But that said, I think the biggest position that I have on the faithless, that we have on the faithless, we don't demand your immediate and full-throated, pious devotion to our gods.

03:19:11.560 What we would really like and what I would very much encourage is for people to have an open mind and an open heart.

03:19:19.480 And to make an honest attempt to connect with our gods.

03:19:27.060 If that doesn't work out to your satisfaction and you remain faithless, so be it.

03:19:32.320 But I think there's a very good possibility that if you truly have an open mind and an open heart and you reach out, our gods, your ancestors will reach back and something really special can happen in your life.

03:19:48.820 So our position is to encourage people to be open and genuinely make the effort to try to take the first step in engaging that gift cycle and see what happens.

03:19:59.580 And I think if it's done openly and honestly, you might be very surprised at the benefits that happen in your life.

03:20:17.320 Next question, and I appreciate everybody threw out a whole bunch of questions so we didn't end on a sour note.

03:20:24.220 Thoughts on this have them all stanza.

03:20:26.140 There is no man so good that he has no flaw, nor a man so bad he's good for nothing.

03:20:33.980 Do you think this could be misinterpreted to justify bad character and ignoble behavior?

03:20:39.840 Sarah, what do you think?

03:20:45.700 I'm sure it could be misinterpreted to do that.

03:20:48.580 But I think that what it's actually saying is not everyone has their flaws, that there is no man that is totally perfect, and there is no person that may seem bad that doesn't have something about them that's redeemable and can be changed.

03:21:08.840 Everybody has the capacity to grow and overcome things.

03:21:13.420 And to me, that's what that would be saying.

03:21:15.860 You can find good in almost anyone. And there is very few things that can't be redeemed from and find growth and faith again.

03:21:30.500 yeah I agree with you on that people are bad people or people who are engaging in bad behavior

03:21:45.040 are going to reach out and grasp anything they can to justify their stuff that doesn't mean it's a

03:21:50.980 legitimate use of the stanza I think it's the point of the stanza is to not be so full of yourself

03:21:57.660 and to realize that even the people that, you know, pretend they're perfect, if you look hard

03:22:05.680 enough, we all have flaws. We all have areas. And just being honest, not areas we can be more

03:22:12.540 perfect. We have areas that we flat out screw up in and should be better than. We all make mistakes.

03:22:19.460 We all find ourselves sometimes doing the wrong thing or doing the cowardly thing or being dishonest or any number of things.

03:22:30.180 And we all have room to improve and make those things better.

03:22:34.220 And like Sarah said, even really, even people who've messed up bad and for a long time still have an opportunity to do good things and make a contribution.

03:22:47.840 there's very few things that are so bad that you can't

03:22:53.280 come back from now some of you got a lot further way to go than others

03:22:58.800 but there's very few things that can't be redeemed in some way so i think that's the point of it i

03:23:07.200 think that's the honest use of it and again anybody's going to use anything they can to justify

03:23:12.800 bad behavior. That's the nature of people who are doing bad things. Misery loves company and those

03:23:21.200 people, all of us, not just those people, any of us, when we're in the wrong, desperately search

03:23:28.520 for some reason that we're not really wrong after all, that we're really doing the right thing

03:23:34.800 because we found this this verse that says x it deludes ourselves and it's it's it's not

03:23:43.440 an appropriate or fair use of it um i find this stanza goes along the same lot along the same

03:23:53.200 lines no one is totally wretched even if his health is bad some find happiness in their children

03:23:59.920 some in their kin some in their money some in their uh works well done

03:24:05.760 thoughts on this do you have any thoughts on on that sarah

03:24:11.520 i i think it's saying the same thing that we see just said that

03:24:20.240 that everyone has something in a redeeming quality in there no matter

03:24:23.920 how bad they seem to be there's something redeeming in there and you can come back from

03:24:31.660 almost anything through through growth and and working at it and put your life back on track

03:24:38.360 yeah well i mean it certainly pairs with the line above i think it's that but i think it's also

03:24:44.840 advice to the hopeless. I think that if we only measure success or joy or a worthwhile life in

03:24:56.140 one way, and all of a sudden something happens that we don't get to experience that, it's easy

03:25:02.240 to think you've got nothing, nothing has meaning, and you might as well not be here.

03:25:08.280 But this stanza illustrates that, you know, even if you've got poor health and you can't get around as well, you can take joy in watching your children be happy and live their life and enjoy things.

03:25:25.580 You know, some people can rejoice in the deeds they've done.

03:25:29.740 Maybe they find themselves poor at the end of their lives or they don't have family, but they've done great things.

03:25:35.260 Well, you can celebrate that and you can take hope from that.

03:25:39.800 You know, maybe you haven't done any of those things, but you've amassed a fortune that you can pass on to your children so they don't have to struggle, so they can start out ahead in life.

03:25:48.140 That's valuable, too.

03:25:49.400 There's a lot of ways to measure value and not to get caught up in just one way of measuring it.

03:25:57.640 We all have deficiencies.

03:25:59.640 It reminds me of another stanza that talks about how, you know, even the, you know, even the crippled can tend the fire.

03:26:08.760 You know, all these people who are disabled in different ways still have ways they can contribute, but the dead man can do nothing.

03:26:18.220 There's nothing that the guy who's dead can do to contribute anymore in this world.

03:26:22.580 So it's important to take advantage of what you have instead of worrying about what you don't have.

03:26:28.040 And I think that's kind of an important thing that points out.

03:26:34.820 Thoughts on white nationalist Christians who say, claim that Christianity is the right religion for Europeans because Christianity prevailed in Europe and paganism failed.

03:26:47.500 What are your thoughts on that, Sarah?

03:26:51.580 They're wrong.

03:26:52.540 obviously

03:26:55.160 paganism didn't fail

03:26:58.300 because we're still here

03:26:59.720 Christianity didn't win

03:27:03.660 it set it back a little

03:27:06.260 it made things secretive for a while

03:27:08.160 but it still got passed

03:27:09.300 us as truth still got passed down

03:27:12.060 from our ancestors

03:27:13.040 from word of mouth, from books

03:27:15.840 so it didn't fail

03:27:17.540 it's still here, it's still going

03:27:19.320 Christianity didn't win

03:27:21.060 and they're just wrong here's a secret good guy doesn't always win you've got to be persistent

03:27:30.920 and you may end up winning over the long term the exact same people who say that about christianity

03:27:39.180 champion political systems and countries that didn't win in the conflicts that they were in

03:27:48.680 So I think that the logic is inconsistent. I think things are right because they're right.

03:27:57.000 Consistent winning and losing is evidence of some things, but it's not the only thing.

03:28:06.900 I think that's kind of an easy argument for them to remain doing something that they're comfortable doing.

03:28:17.280 But I don't think it's intellectually honest. And the other thing is, what's a much better lesson to learn is, why did Christianity win out over paganism in the time that it did?

03:28:31.500 And that answer may be different in different countries and different places, but learning that strategically and tactically, and applying that to our future is a valuable thing to learn.

03:28:43.460 you learn a lot more and we celebrate victory on this program. Absolutely. But you learn a lot more

03:28:52.860 from defeats and setbacks than you do from successes. And I've learned that in my life.

03:29:03.680 Learned that from fights I've been in. You know, I can tell cool stories about fights that I've won

03:29:09.120 and that's awesome. But I learned from the fights that I didn't win or when I didn't come out on

03:29:15.980 top. And I was lucky the times I was in fights, I was bouncing and I had a team of 13 guys.

03:29:21.280 I didn't ever lose that bad. But the times that I did, that's when I learned. Those are the times

03:29:28.260 that helped me grow. So I think it's really easy to make that statement. But something else that's

03:29:34.540 also a truth is just the way history and time works. Nothing stays on top forever and is always

03:29:43.620 there. If you pick anything historically, you can find a point where it collapsed or it broke down

03:29:51.060 or it didn't work out because eternity is a very long time. I think it's very arrogant to suggest

03:29:58.540 that, ah, Christianity is the way to go because Christianity was cool for 1,500 years.

03:30:05.320 Yeah, but Alistair was cool for thousands of years before that.

03:30:10.980 And when we look at it a thousand years from now,

03:30:16.140 will we be able to say the same for Christianity?

03:30:21.280 Or was its time that window of, you know, 2,000 years, 1,000 years in some places?

03:30:29.680 Is that the only window it has?

03:30:32.480 Because Alcetru and various forms of Aryan paganism was around for thousands of years before Christianity

03:30:40.320 and is now resurgent and picking up steam where Christianity is faltering.

03:30:47.720 What will it look like a thousand years from now?

03:30:50.500 And is that the only measure of success? And I just don't think that that's, I think that's a

03:30:56.640 very easy argument for people to make who are intellectually lazy and who don't want to change

03:31:03.180 from a course of action that they're comfortable doing. But that's our last question for the

03:31:10.720 evening. Sarah, thank you so much for joining us tonight. Thank you for all that you do. It's been

03:31:15.480 pleasure to have you on here again. It's been fun. Thank you. All right. Well, I look forward

03:31:24.700 to having you on here again in the future, and we really do appreciate all you do, Sarah. You do a

03:31:30.820 lot for us. Until next time, hail the gods, hail the folk, hail the AFA, and remember, victory never sleeps.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - September 28, 2023

9⧸27⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 64 - Egill Skallagrímsson

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