Asatru Folk Assembly - 9⧸3⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 165 - Brot af Sigurðarkviðu

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00:03:00.000 Matt, you muted yourself.

00:03:14.320 Hello, everyone. Welcome to this week's edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:19.200 It's good to talk to you guys again.

00:03:25.580 We are now into the month of September.

00:03:28.580 It came quicker than expected this year.

00:03:37.700 So, tonight we're going to go through an interesting bit of lore because it is so fragmentary.

00:03:46.120 um one of the things that i think is i don't know neat and fun to do with spawn and with you guys

00:03:58.720 is go over these more obscure pieces of lore that other people don't often touch on and are

00:04:07.060 largely unfamiliar with and things that you know likely spawn and myself probably haven't

00:04:12.700 spent a lot of time on in a lot of years it's one of those when you first when you first read it

00:04:17.740 you go over these things but they're easy to not pay attention to or to forget about or to

00:04:25.820 you know not make note of so i think it's kind of cool to go over these um tonight's is uh brought

00:04:33.180 auf Siegerte Kviertel. It's little. The indications are it is a very small piece of a much longer

00:04:46.060 epic poem that I wish we had access to and maybe at some future date there will be some hidden

00:04:51.900 tome discovered and we'll have the whole piece but we're not so lucky at this point.

00:04:58.380 But it is kind of cool and it's a little bit different and so we'll go over that today.

00:05:03.180 As always, velispow.org is where we're doing our reading from, and so I invite you to take

00:05:13.700 a look there, or wherever you might have a translation that you prefer, you're always

00:05:22.140 welcome to do that uh top of the show stuff to keep you keep you informed um making really exciting

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00:07:25.300 much appreciated. I'm trying to think if there's other stuff that you need to know at the top of

00:07:31.780 the program today. Don't think that there is. As always, your questions are appreciated. The show

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00:08:17.760 other stuff yeah I just want to acknowledge we are officially as of as of Tuesday yesterday

00:08:30.920 starting our school year in the AUSA True Academy we've got a number of amazing students

00:08:38.200 enrolled in that we've got K through 7 right now in the class or in the class

00:08:47.560 so we're very excited about it i know here we're we're getting in the swing of things aubrey is

00:08:54.040 starting her first um her first year of kindergarten in the astro academy and we're excited about it

00:09:00.760 so if you are interested in homeschooling your children the astro academy is something to think

00:09:08.440 about point of that is to give the confidence to our parents to be able to homeschool their

00:09:16.360 children if they're able and to take take control of what the kids are learning in the environment

00:09:23.640 they're learning it in if that's something that you have concerns about or want to give thought to

00:09:29.080 and that's something we're very proud of um the dean of that program go through rob stam has

00:09:35.640 worked really hard with his fantastic staff on getting resources and materials set up for that

00:09:45.720 it's a it's really exciting and it's a really special thing that we have in place now that

00:09:51.400 we've wanted for great many years so we're really proud of all the progress they're doing on that

00:09:56.840 and uh yeah it's something you should look into if you have school-aged children

00:10:01.560 and you that's something you'd like to think about uh spawn what do folks need to know before

00:10:09.560 we get into the meat of things this evening? Well, you kind of covered the big touchstones.

00:10:16.620 One, it's very short. And I think that this is very important that we understand the way

00:10:24.620 our lore is versus the way it has kind of been presented in our faith over the last three

00:10:33.600 decades. I think a lot of people in the onset of Ausatru did the right thing, which was focus on

00:10:45.920 faith. But many people, as they wanted to learn more about the faith of it, they immediately

00:10:54.700 gravitated towards the writing. And the writing was treated almost in a biblical sense, because

00:11:02.240 most people that were trying to understand the religion were coming from Christianity.

00:11:06.840 But I think it's lost on a lot of folks at how fragmentary our lore is. And we went over this,

00:11:16.320 if anybody in the audience hasn't seen the VNS on Saimender and Snorri Stutlason,

00:11:25.200 that's a really good primer for an understanding of why it's so fragmentary where it's coming from

00:11:33.580 how there's multiple layers to the lore um and its purposes uh but in this case we have

00:11:43.560 the story of the Volsung's the Volsunga saga is a huge megalith of a of a poem and then we have these

00:11:54.460 kind of satellite, almost moon-like poems that are following it. And we have, there's

00:12:04.440 Fafnir's Maul, there's, so there's one from the dragon, there's one from the betrayer who tries

00:12:12.640 to kill Sigurd after the dragon, but it's not necessarily from his point of view, it's just

00:12:18.380 a hyper focus on that moment and then the last one that we read was about the Valkyrie so now

00:12:26.860 this is the the another one of those and I don't want to say final because now we're getting into

00:12:33.820 such obscure ones that um my knowledge or at least my reading of them I can't even remember

00:12:42.940 the last time i read this one and uh it's it's like uh again it's just more and more and more

00:12:51.100 obscure and even so much so in the codex regius in the in the main corpus of our lore there were uh

00:13:00.380 spaces in between this poem or what remains and the poems i spoke of before uh about the dragon

00:13:10.940 and about the betrayer and about the valkyrie so there's this leafed gap and then this poem shows

00:13:18.700 up and most scholars believe that this is the tail end of a poem um and not the full source

00:13:29.180 just like you said so i i it just really re-emphasizes that our lore is very tattered

00:13:37.420 I'm thankful that most of the core of the stories of the gods is intact, but the stories of Heimdall turning into a seal and fighting Loki for the necklace of Holy Freya, that's alluded to, that has little fragments.

00:14:00.160 So there is so much lore that was lost between the year 1000 and the year 1200.

00:14:10.120 And it's sad to say, but if we understand that, I think that we can build off of faith and have supplemental understanding like what we're doing.

00:14:23.300 And I don't know, I mean, perhaps I'm just preaching to the choir in a sense, but that is what we're doing on these VNSs is going over these obscure lures in order to look in and find faith elements.

00:14:38.860 But we're not looking at the lore as some sort of biblical account of things.

00:14:48.360 We're looking into why the hero archetype, why the mythic lord, the Aryan dragon slayer, and why all of these kind of bigger concepts were utilized, what made them popular, what the audience wanted to hear.

00:15:09.160 All of these kind of, I guess, more macro touchstones versus deeply reading in and saying this means this absolutely or what have you.

00:15:27.560 well there's plenty of things that are just just true but the thing about our faith is it

00:15:39.160 takes a little bit of effort on our part and to try to

00:15:47.160 i don't know we're honest in the way we present it

00:15:49.720 and that's i think a real big difference there's a inherent thing and again you've got

00:15:57.560 When we talk about religion, if you are a sincere practitioner of your faith, sometimes if you were to be making it up yourself, you could fix it to make it make more sense or to make it easier.

00:16:17.140 But that's not what you do if you believe something is holy truth.

00:16:21.940 so that's one of the things with you know our uh our christian brothers and sisters they uh

00:16:29.440 they believe that their work is specific like directly word for word authored by their god

00:16:39.040 and so it makes that a really interesting challenge everybody else besides the the

00:16:46.200 Abrahamic faiths. That's not the case. It's a storehouse of

00:16:51.540 stories and tales compiled by the elders of their folk over time through experience,

00:17:05.440 through revelation, and through inspiration. But there's never been the idea that Odin sat down

00:17:13.220 and wrote the eddies and you know we wouldn't present it that way because that's just not how

00:17:18.400 it is it does tell us what i think is so there's some perspectives on this and all right so it's

00:17:31.980 top of the show i'm a little bit scattered you may notice one of it is because we're running

00:17:35.880 into a thing at the at the end of this work there is a mysterious three stanzas that aren't attested

00:17:47.800 that are like ghost stanzas that came from somewhere so we've got some irons in the fire

00:17:53.080 trying to trying to root out that mystery while we're talking to you guys tonight

00:17:56.440 But I guess what I'm saying is, it is sad to contemplate and mourn the loss of ancient stories that we don't have.

00:18:10.340 It's also exciting and enticing when we get the indication that there was stories that we don't know about, that there's more to learn, that our ancestors had, you know, more information than we currently have.

00:18:30.120 and one day we may find those things one day there may be you know in a vault somewhere

00:18:38.760 somebody's old manuscript that has additional fragments or pieces that we can put stuff

00:18:44.500 together one of the other things that's cool with even a fragmentary work like we have tonight

00:18:49.620 all of these different things and I know it I know it gets tedious to read all of these little

00:18:57.320 fragments and pieces about the Volsunga saga but it's such an important part of our lore

00:19:05.880 all of these little extra pieces put meat on the bone and add little details and elements and

00:19:15.480 vectors of approach to this really important Ur myth of our folk that's spawned so much over

00:19:26.680 over time and is clearly so culturally relevant we get these little pieces and you know if you

00:19:37.560 and i say that i don't want to over generalize some people are wired for different stuff

00:19:42.040 if you're somebody who is really into history or really into the lore

00:19:46.920 these little fragments are are fun they're exciting little morsel morsels to discover and

00:19:52.680 And ideally, they, you know, wet our curiosity to wonder, to know more, to contemplate more, and to have the exploration of those unknowns help lead us closer to a better understanding of our gods and goddesses.

00:20:12.460 And that's what we're trying to do on here.

00:20:14.280 So hopefully we can have that in mind as we go through it this evening.

00:20:18.760 Svahn are you ready to take us into the poem or do you have more to add I was just going to give

00:20:27.900 some context for everyone out there especially if you didn't get a chance to watch the Volsunga

00:20:33.460 Saga or any of the kind of orbiting poems to give you context everything that was focused around

00:20:43.060 the dragon slaying moment of um the orbiting poems and ultimately that's that part of the

00:20:52.120 Volsunga saga now we jump to the very end and a lot has happened um Sigurd has married his love

00:21:05.040 but was tricked into loving her and thus broke his oath with the Valkyrie Brynhild and then

00:21:14.660 the Brynhild becomes antagonistic and convinces three brothers or in particularly one but he's

00:21:23.920 already been um he's already been shown to be a coward so in his cowardice um he ends up

00:21:34.560 shifting it over so this is all around the death of sigurd and that's worth noting because we

00:21:43.260 suddenly jump from uh him slaying the dragon and getting the gold and then riding up on the plateau

00:21:49.720 and speaking to the valkyrie to his death and that's you know that front half of this poem

00:21:55.960 could have had more or we just we don't know it just jumps from there to there so and i think the

00:22:05.020 poem or the poet the people uh whoever was uh had memorized this poem and was uh reciting it in

00:22:14.760 iceland and passing it down to other poets um there is a just a very it's not bombastic but it's

00:22:27.000 very descriptive and very strong and it kind of really pitches the fervor of the fact that this

00:22:35.540 is sigurd's death uh in the part of the story so it gets very very good in its descriptions i'll say

00:22:43.880 that much all right um yeah whenever you are ready if you would like to lead them

00:22:54.760 into the material all right yeah and uh there's five sections and um each one has

00:23:02.280 five pieces so it's pretty short um

00:23:05.320 um let's see so hogni speaks what evil deed has sigurd done that the hero's life thou feign

00:23:22.060 wouldst have so the scene opens up with hogni and gunnar hogni and gunnar brothers and gunnar is

00:23:32.560 trying to elicit Hogni to kill the hero, the dragon slayer, the feared one, and Gunnar has

00:23:43.220 been pushed to do it, so they're conspiring right now is what's going on, and Gunnar then speaks

00:23:51.340 Sigurd's oaths, to me he hath sworn, oaths hath sworn, and all hath broken, he betrayed me there

00:24:00.380 where truest all his oaths me thinks he ought to have kept so it's pretty clear in the Volsunga

00:24:10.200 saga that there is a misinterpretation of the oath Sigurd believes that he has maintained them

00:24:17.820 and in reality he has because he's been tricked by magic but no one else is going to just give

00:24:26.040 him that out so they are calling him an oath breaker and um on top of this brinhild the valkyrie

00:24:35.500 who loved sigurd the most um and lost him is utilizing this as a thumbscrew for revenge

00:24:45.160 um so gunner says he broke all the oaths he had to me then his brother hogni says

00:24:52.880 Thy heart hath Brunhild wedded to hate

00:24:58.620 She has sharpened and honed your heart to hatred

00:25:02.960 Evil to work and harm to win

00:25:05.960 She grudges the honor that Gudrun has

00:25:09.320 Gudrun is Sigurd's wife through magic

00:25:14.880 Not her own, but he was in love with Brunhild

00:25:18.260 And then when he goes to the house and the kingdom where Gudrun is, she is the daughter of the king, it's her mother that tricks Sigurd into falling in love with Gudrun.

00:25:36.500 and he completely forgets Brynhild, and that's where all of this comes from, is the vengeance

00:25:44.440 of Brynhild and her hatred for the fact that he forgot after swearing his love to her, but Hogni

00:25:51.960 cuts right to the middle of it. He says, no, Brynhild is the one that's sharpening your heart

00:25:58.220 to hatred. And, you know, she's the real reason. It's not the oaths. She grudges the honor that

00:26:08.220 Gudrun has and that joy of herself thou still dost have. They cooked a wolf. They cut up a snake.

00:26:19.540 they gave to Gothorm the greedy one's flesh before the men to murder-minded laid their hands

00:26:31.240 on the hero bold. So here we see, in essence, the only thing I can really kind of ascertain from

00:26:41.820 this is the consumption of the viper the adder the consumption of the wolf to to eat its flesh

00:26:52.120 to eat the viper flesh to eat these furious animals is going to get them

00:26:59.720 to the level of a statusism to actually try to take out sigurd and they do it in such a

00:27:10.220 a craven way so really what this is is building one they're scared sigurd is great he is noble

00:27:18.860 and in truth he's actually blameless which makes the tragedy of the whole story even more so for

00:27:25.900 everyone listening and everyone you know listening to the poet and then on top of that the people

00:27:33.500 around him who feel like they are uh absolutely justified in doing what they're doing are going

00:27:41.500 to these great lengths to push themselves to take him down uh which again re-emphasizes that his

00:27:50.940 true nature is pure and good and that he is correct in his victory and everyone else is just

00:27:58.060 eating the snakes and cooking the wolves just to fight him and you know they attack him while

00:28:05.360 he's asleep so that's even more craving um and so here uh it says they they ate the wolf's flesh

00:28:15.680 they cut up the snake um they gave to go thorum the greedy one's flesh so they are not even here's

00:28:24.040 the other part of it is they're, they're feeding the third brother. They're feeding the youngest

00:28:29.400 brother who knows the least. So he will do the deed. And, uh, it says before the men to murder

00:28:40.940 minded laid their hands on hero bold, slain was Sigurd south of the Rhine from a, from a limb,

00:28:50.440 a raven called full loud so from the limb of a tree a raven called out your blood shall redden

00:29:00.600 at least blade and your oaths shall bind you both in chains

00:29:08.200 so again very very heavy poetics um

00:29:13.160 Um, but straight to the, to the cause.

00:29:17.680 And again, in the Volsunga saga, it's, it's worth remembering that, um, he was, uh, he

00:29:26.580 was slain, uh, in his bed next to Gudrun.

00:29:32.580 So, uh, without stood Gudrun or outside stood Gudrun, Gyuki's daughter, Gyuki is the king.

00:29:43.160 Hear now the speech that first she spake.

00:29:46.800 Where is Sigurd now, the noble king, that my kinsmen riding before him come?

00:29:54.840 Only this, did Hogni answer, Sigurd we with our swords have slain.

00:30:01.540 The gray horse mourns by his master's dead.

00:30:05.020 The gray horse, of course, is Grani, the horse that's spoken of throughout the poems.

00:30:13.160 We talked about that, the noble steed, the trusty ride, and even it laments, kind of like a Hidalgo kind of level of intelligence, this horse is inside the hall laying next to the dead.

00:30:37.680 Oh, and I'm sorry to say, I may have gotten that wrong.

00:30:41.260 outside. Oh, no, no, I got that. Okay. Nevermind. Sorry. So they have come back and then Brynhild

00:30:50.980 speaks the daughter of Boothli. We shall ye joy in weapons and lands. Sigur the loan of all had

00:31:01.400 been Lord, if a little longer his life had been. So they're going to cut up the spoils of his

00:31:11.360 dominion. And this may have been a huge part of the reasoning behind trying to convince the

00:31:23.060 youngest one to do it. Not only was it about eating wolves and serpents and building up fury,

00:31:29.720 But once he's gone, we'll all be able to share the lands that he once owned.

00:31:36.500 In 9, it says, right were it not that so he should rule over Gyuki's wealth and the race of the Goths.

00:31:49.520 Five are the sons for the ruling the folk and greedy of fight that he hath fathered.

00:31:57.840 So this clearly puts Sigurd south of the Rhine and most likely east in the land of the Goths, but there's a complication to that.

00:32:13.680 Sometimes the word Gutten, there are two tribes, the Gutens or the Goths and the Teutons or the Teutonic people who have been generally used to describe the German people, especially from a Nordic perspective.

00:32:37.340 um so however when we talk about atli and when we talk about uh jorman rick or uh or monaric

00:32:49.460 um clearly also in the gothic or guttanish sphere this lets you know like just how far back

00:32:59.160 this story goes migration period uh rome if you will so while we're breaking for a second i want

00:33:09.480 to acknowledge that gilbert donated 150 to phrase hoff thank you so much gilbert we appreciate it

00:33:17.960 hail frayer hail frayer yeah that uh an interesting thing too with with gilbert and

00:33:26.120 And Frershoff that might be coming about in an interesting way.

00:33:33.400 I can't, I won't go into it.

00:33:35.320 I would like to go into it once you see the clear point,

00:33:42.260 but of where we, when we can press forward.

00:33:47.000 But that's an interesting thing too.

00:33:50.420 He is a good, good man.

00:33:52.640 Good man.

00:33:54.280 T-Dog, you're welcome.

00:33:56.120 yeah what was that the uh another was that a part of it uh t-dog thanks us for standing up for our

00:34:06.740 people oh is that like um what was the gentleman in fayetteville oh soldier slim soldier slim yeah

00:34:19.700 I have, I have no idea. It was, it was, I have no idea, but yeah, you're welcome. We do what we can.

00:34:28.240 Um, at this point, uh, uh, on number, uh, on 10, the 10th, um, stanza,

00:34:37.280 Brynhild laughs and the building echoed only once with all her heart.

00:34:43.240 long shall ye join the lands and men now we have slain the hero noble so her

00:34:51.180 hatred her vengeance her absolute just vile desire to kill Sigurd for for saying that he

00:35:02.860 loved her and then being the victim of sorcery and marrying Gudrun now she's like finally

00:35:12.280 um will be able to kind of divide the spoils but really she doesn't care about that

00:35:19.400 she's just glad that because he broke his oath to her he's dead

00:35:26.100 um and i was just looking in the footnotes here it says uh the goths or are a generic term for

00:35:35.760 german race is um kind of what i said but uh the five sons according to the volsung saga sigurd

00:35:44.320 only had one son which is is interesting uh named sigmund who was killed at by brinhild and so the

00:35:54.160 five son comment is kind of interesting and i wonder if they're talking about perhaps five

00:35:59.600 separate tribes within the goths um the goths were not one people but a an amalgamation very

00:36:07.520 much like the alamani or the suwebi tribes they were multiple tribes built up in and working

00:36:14.960 together so i wonder if that's more a reference since they're talking about the land um that

00:36:22.160 now that Sigurd, the father, is slain, they will be able to divide up the spoils of the five sons.

00:36:33.520 But this is written, you know, this is, the Gothic migration period is like 300 to 500

00:36:43.200 AD. And this poem is written down in the 1200s. So that gives a testament to oral traditions

00:36:56.120 being able to last that long, but we definitely lose details. So Brynhild laughs and the building

00:37:05.480 echoed with her laughter. That is cold. And she rejoices in the slaying of Sigurd.

00:37:15.260 Then Gudrun spoke, the daughter of Gyuki, much thou speakest an evil speech. And remember,

00:37:21.460 for those that don't know, there is a constant conflict. In an essence, Gudrun is also blameless.

00:37:32.180 Her mother was the one, when she saw Sigurd, the dragon slayer, she knew she would use all amounts of sorcery to make sure that her daughter married the dragon slayer.

00:37:46.300 And in doing so, it messed everything up.

00:37:49.840 And when Brynhild shows up, Gudrun and her are obviously not good together, but she consistently meets level to level with Brynhild as a kind of feminine force.

00:38:08.000 but she was ultimately relying on the fact

00:38:13.060 that her husband would be able to come out on top

00:38:16.880 no matter what kind of treachery was played against him.

00:38:22.020 So now that it's been proven that that's not the case,

00:38:27.380 it is Brynhild who is the source of that.

00:38:31.120 And she is, again, a semi-magical character.

00:38:34.580 So perhaps Gudrun just knows that this is just slightly out of her mortal hands.

00:38:43.280 So Gudrun speaks, daughter of Gyuki, much thou speakest an evil speech.

00:38:50.080 Accursed be Gunnar, Sigurd's killer.

00:38:53.920 Vengeance shall come for his cruel heart.

00:38:57.100 early came the evening and ale was then drunk and among them long and loud they talked

00:39:06.280 they slumbered all when their beds they sought but gunner alone was long awake

00:39:13.820 his feet were tossing he talked to himself and the slayer of hosts began to heed what the twain

00:39:24.720 from the tree had told him then the raven and the eagle as home they rode so now he's

00:39:36.400 the the raven and the eagle that were are crowing out are the supernatural reminders

00:39:45.440 of his his deed he feels in in or he tries to bolster himself and saying you know he

00:39:53.520 broke his oath first he's an oath breaker um that's why i did it but now because there has

00:40:01.280 always been an air of doubt it's it's getting to him and the eagle and the raven are again um

00:40:09.440 ghosts of the battlefield and and the ones that fly over the the corpses and so he's

00:40:16.560 hearing them like when the raven cried out and he knows that it it's not quite

00:40:30.560 Luke, I am your father.

00:40:42.900 So, Fawn has cut out.

00:40:50.800 I'm giving him just a second to see if he'll get back.

00:40:54.060 Here he is.

00:40:56.700 Same thing like kind of happened last week.

00:40:59.520 so you cut out before you started 14 ah so he's tossing and turning and um the ghosts of the

00:41:10.680 battlefield the raven and the uh the eagle have haunted him in their cries and now uh they fly

00:41:18.740 off. Meanwhile, Brynhild awakes, the daughter of Boothly, the warrior's daughter, ere dawn of day,

00:41:30.960 and she speaks, love me or hate me, the harm is done, and my grief cries out or else I die.

00:41:43.080 Silent were all who heard her speak

00:41:48.640 And not of the heart of the queen they knew

00:41:52.160 They didn't understand her words, her meaning

00:41:56.300 They didn't understand why she was saying what she was saying

00:42:00.520 They didn't know her true intentions as to why she was still mournful but happy

00:42:06.000 And not of the heart of the queen they knew

00:42:10.560 who wept such tears the things to tell the laughing wants of men she had won

00:42:18.060 so again this fragmentary poem is so fast it's so condensed it it there's so much lore

00:42:28.140 in the Volsunga saga that's being covered in just these little stanzas but this is really kind of

00:42:35.560 poking more into the emotional states of Gudrun wanting vengeance and Brynhild has her vengeance

00:42:47.620 but now she's still without and Gunnar is uh you know he's a the slayer of a noble hero

00:42:58.680 and was it truly justified

00:43:01.020 and he's tossing and turning

00:43:02.700 sweating in his sleep

00:43:04.620 so I think this is a really interesting

00:43:06.900 thing is that it may not give us tons

00:43:08.840 of context but it gives us tons

00:43:10.940 of emotional

00:43:11.860 stuff that you don't often

00:43:15.080 see

00:43:15.620 in the

00:43:17.360 in the poems

00:43:20.100 so

00:43:22.980 Brunhild

00:43:25.060 speaks to Gunnar

00:43:26.180 Gunnar

00:43:27.960 I dreamed a full dream, a dream full grim, in the hall were corpses. Cold was my bed, and ruler thou didst joyless ride with fetters bound in the foeman's throng.

00:43:47.280 so she sees the hall is filled with corpses uh somebody has invaded and killed everyone

00:43:55.520 and that he being the leader now is fettered by chains or ropes and riding upon the enemy's

00:44:06.880 horses like taken back like a war prisoner now the next stanza 17 if you're reading along

00:44:17.280 on voluspow.org, which I always recommend anybody that's sitting in with us on these

00:44:24.700 should be reading or looking at if they can. You'll notice that for the first two lines of

00:44:32.720 verse 17, there are dots. And those are to show that there is a loss of the lines. Smudges,

00:44:44.360 weathering

00:44:46.600 what have you

00:44:48.100 so 17 immediately starts

00:44:50.880 into the middle of a verse

00:44:52.700 with utterly now

00:44:59.120 your nivlung

00:45:01.120 race

00:45:02.280 all shall die

00:45:04.940 your oaths ye

00:45:06.840 have broken

00:45:08.300 so

00:45:10.200 obviously

00:45:13.280 the Nivlung uh is the same as the Nibelungen race the sons of the mist um just like in

00:45:24.800 obviously in the land beyond the veil where the dead go there is Nibelheim which is beyond that

00:45:34.180 and deeper still and it is the land of mist that which is unknown and unseen and dark and damp so

00:45:42.360 So the Nibelung folk are, their name means the people of the mist or the children of the mist.

00:45:55.520 But it's referring to the Nibelung folk.

00:46:05.360 18, thou hast, Gunner, the deed forgot when blood in your footprints both ye mingled.

00:46:12.360 So now she's saying, you forgot, you are brothers, blood brothers, and to slay him is to slay kin.

00:46:26.260 Thou hast, Gunur, the deed forgot when blood in your footprints, both ye mingled, all to him hast repaid with ill, who fain had made thee the foremost of kings.

00:46:39.900 So not only is Brunnhild just satisfied with killing Sigurd, it transfers over to Gunnar.

00:46:50.520 And this does give us a little glimpse into blood brotherhood.

00:46:58.060 So from my studies, I've always found that the blood brothering in Iceland, the way it was kind of described was that a line of sod was cut and then it was shoveled under and lifted and hoisted with vertical poles so that the mud of the earth or the flesh of the earth could be seen.

00:47:24.320 And in that, the two participants would step in that threshold and then step back out, mingle their blood in the footprint, and then both walk through the sod as if it was the womb of the earth, uniting them as kin.

00:47:53.620 And then they would remove the vertical poles and set the sod down. And that would make the two participants blood. So there's a lending to that there, where she's reminding him, you've slayed your own kin.

00:48:15.460 Um, and he was the reason that you were so forward in your advancement.

00:48:25.560 It wasn't until him that you became foremost of the kings.

00:48:30.460 kings. And then in 19, well did he prove when proud he rode to win me then thy wife to be.

00:48:45.680 How true the host slayer ever had held the oaths he had made with the monarch young.

00:48:53.380 So she's alluding to the fact that when Gunnur, again, context, Sigurd gets sorceried and goes after Gudrun.

00:49:07.600 But he tells all of them, of the Nibelung folk, he tells them, I just came from a plateau, there was a big fire there, and there was this Valkyrie on top.

00:49:27.820 So Gunnar then says, well, you got to take me to this Valkyrie. I'm going to go there and I'm going to marry her.

00:49:34.720 and Sigurd's like yeah that would be great I think she would you know love to be uh wedded by

00:49:41.940 someone because I'm in love with your sister you know Gudrun and so it's not me but let's you go

00:49:48.740 so they all go and when Gunnar gets there and sees the fire he chickens out and he realized he says

00:49:58.000 oh my horse can't do it uh you know he comes up with a lot of excuses and so on and so forth

00:50:02.260 And then there is a disguising of Sigurd. Sigurd says he will do it. He is disguised as Gunnar through magic. He jumps, quells the fire and says, I will marry you.

00:50:21.500 And Brunhild's like, there's only one person who has ever done this and could probably ever do this.

00:50:30.340 And who are you?

00:50:31.440 And then, you know, he introduces himself as Gunnar.

00:50:34.540 So this is where the true deception is.

00:50:37.960 But again, it's done simply because Sigurd's brave enough to jump the fire.

00:50:43.520 But he's already in love with Gudrun.

00:50:46.160 In his mind, he's a true man.

00:50:51.500 And if he's laid his love down for Gudrun, why would he go and search for another woman?

00:50:58.860 But instead, he's helping his blood brother out.

00:51:04.060 But he should have called Gunnar out on his complete weakness of being unable to jump the fire.

00:51:13.020 That was the fulcrum of the whole situation, is that Gunnar was not strong enough to attain, and Sigurd added issue by attaining it for him.

00:51:30.220 and now you know she by this time she knows all of this and she is goading him even further still

00:51:42.720 um so i'll go back and read that again one more time so people can just kind of hear it

00:51:49.740 well did he prove when proud he rode she's speaking of sigurd to win me then thy wife to be

00:51:58.980 how true the host slayer ever had held the oaths he made with the monarch young so again he was

00:52:10.100 strong and brave when he was uh even when he was pretending to be you and the oaths that were

00:52:18.100 between you were folly the moment you asked him to do the deed that you should have been doing

00:52:24.380 so now you're he didn't break the oath you're just a kinslayer savage very very savage um

00:52:34.260 then she points the the wound staff then all wound with gold the hero let between us lie

00:52:47.220 so the spear or excuse me the uh sword wound with gold the hero let between us lie with fires

00:52:55.480 the edge was forged full keen and with drops of venom the blade was damp so i believe she's

00:53:04.040 referring to the fact that sigurd when he jumps the fire for gunner he lays with brennhild as

00:53:12.020 gunner but to ensure that he is not considered unloyal uh or craven in any way he lays the sword

00:53:23.140 between him and brinhild and so she's again re-emphasizing how noble his actions were and you

00:53:33.140 just you killed him even though she was the one that goaded him to kill sigurd so now she's just

00:53:40.100 really driving it into goodness uh and now we come to a very interesting part so i'll read this

00:53:51.940 section and then we can i guess i'll certainly we can discuss the mystery

00:53:55.620 that we kind of ran into that i didn't see coming uh at all so in the last part here

00:54:02.420 um it is uh kind of a a note um where here it is told in this poem about the death of sigurd

00:54:14.820 and the story goes here that they slew him out of doors but some say they slew him in the house

00:54:22.260 so this is a footnote here um presumably by bellows or maybe it's even in the original

00:54:30.900 script so here's the thing it's got to be in the original manuscript oh yeah because it's in the

00:54:37.620 old norse and bellows was translating it i doubt he would oh yeah it's gone here on the bottom

00:54:42.740 as a footnote to readers i don't think he would try to craft it in norse so yeah uh on the bottom

00:54:51.540 there is the the actual footnote written in old norse so it was written then and there are three

00:54:58.180 stanzas 21 22 and 23 and i've checked six different translations by six different people

00:55:08.340 nobody translates them i know i've only known the 20s so this is the first time i'm catching

00:55:13.220 wind of the yeah me too and i'm i'm blown away that there's no reference or no information

00:55:22.340 i wasn't prepared but i was looking we're getting in a a bold new world where ai can translate this

00:55:28.660 kind of stuff i just don't haven't paid for any of those features i put those lines in google

00:55:37.140 translate to icelandic which isn't clean but it gets it gets at some of the meat of it but again

00:55:47.060 it's not it's not clean because they don't worth work exactly yeah i would definitely for for

00:55:56.500 anybody listening if they're translating things and they go to google translate with icelandic

00:56:03.140 it's not a great you're getting a broad picture but there are certain words in old norse

00:56:10.820 that have totally different meaning in modern icelandic so you have to be careful but in the

00:56:18.500 um footnote it is again still noting that the volsung saga that we read he's slain while he's

00:56:27.460 asleep um he was so awesome they were not gonna stand up to him face to face they had to hit him

00:56:36.820 while he was extremely vulnerable and he was laying next to um his wife so um

00:56:48.100 it says here it is told in the poem about the death of sigurd and the story goes here that

00:56:53.460 they slew him out of doors but some say they slew him in the house on his bed while he was sleeping

00:57:01.940 and that's the version we we covered but german men say that they killed him out of doors

00:57:10.660 in the forest and so it is told in the old gudrum lay that sigurd and gyuki's sons had ridden to the

00:57:22.020 council place and they that he was slain there but in this they all agreed they had deceived him in

00:57:30.900 his trust and fell upon him when he was laying down unprepared so this even tells us that there

00:57:41.060 might have been multiple points and this happens um if you think about perfect example everyone's

00:57:47.780 pretty much familiar with hercules but very few people realize there are like three deaths to

00:57:54.340 hercules in different ways and that's because poets were taking uh story elements and going

00:58:04.100 in different directions with them and it's worth realizing that our stories uh happen i i would say

00:58:14.340 in the sense of there is the event there is the the reality but by the 12th or the uh the 12

00:58:23.220 1200s um there is so much myth and uh magic and everything placed upon it uh unlike a lot of

00:58:37.460 middle eastern religions where uh because writing was such a core parallel that they read more like

00:58:49.940 historic pieces with things sprinkled in unless you go so far back and then it then it kind of

00:58:56.900 does the reversal it's like a negative myth a myth that grows uh bigger from

00:59:03.620 people in the future, if you will, whereas ours grows bigger as it goes. And this is what we're

00:59:13.880 reading is that kind of the final growth of it. You'll notice that a lot when you look at

00:59:21.700 Abrahamic faiths and the Old Testament is, you know, started as oral traditions. And then you

00:59:32.500 look at Babylonian myths and see the Epic of Gilgamesh and how much it influenced Jewish

00:59:38.660 storytelling. And you realize that the writings of the Old Testament were from a future date,

00:59:48.620 they were writing backwards and solidifying it and kind of making it whole. Whereas in oral

00:59:56.960 traditions the story grows as the people grow and and and then it moves through out and carries

01:00:06.720 history but also myth legend concept and all of these things so it's an interesting difference

01:00:16.160 between the two um so either way they fell upon him while he was laying down because that's

01:00:26.000 ultimately the point is that sigurd is the noble warrior sigurd is the and there was no way that

01:00:37.680 the three brothers of gyuki who is gudrun's father you know and her mother seduces sigurd to

01:00:48.000 falling in love with her daughter so that way that secures that and then the three brothers

01:00:53.840 are always kind of living in his shadow and then brunhild uh is attained and attained under

01:01:01.760 nefarious ways and she ends up being quite literally a nornir of fate of amongst all of them and

01:01:13.840 causing their deaths in a way um all very interesting and it's worth considering perhaps

01:01:22.000 that ultimately all of this was already foreseen by the very one who put Brynhild to sleep.

01:01:34.040 And so this brings me to one other point that I, the stories of Lord Odin filling his hall

01:01:43.100 with those he chooses is a very strong thing in all of our stories, is that Lord Odin wants this

01:01:54.340 noble warrior in his hall. And so he makes sure that all of these things lead towards the slaying

01:02:09.600 and then him being able to take him when he, when he wants him. And, um, we don't know if this is,

01:02:17.280 um, added on later as a concept that, um, Icelanders and Nords of the later period all

01:02:26.360 felt that, um, their ancestors could only go to the heavenly realm if they were slain in battle.

01:02:34.360 We clearly see that over and over and over again. So it could be that they're eliciting this trope over and over, or it is simply just the case of taking a fruit at its ripest moment.

01:02:51.360 moment um but this this all culminates really in the volsung saga with lord odin being present he

01:03:03.680 places the sword he guides sigurd's father then sigurd is taken and and the sword again

01:03:11.520 leads him to kill the dragon and then by killing the dragon he uh meets brinhild and then by meeting

01:03:19.360 Brynhild, he meets Gyuki, the king who has the three sons and the daughter. And it's just an

01:03:26.380 epic kind of thing. And I don't necessarily think that this isn't like a Job kind of situation where

01:03:35.800 Lord Odin is punishing Sigurd. No, I think in actuality, he highly bet on the noble heart of

01:03:42.000 Sigurd. And that's why he placed the sword in Sigurd's father's hall. He knew that the nobility

01:03:50.020 of Sigurd's father and Sigurd could be relied upon. And in sewing this crazy weaving, so much

01:04:04.020 was brought out like the true nature of brennhild he punished her for stepping outside of his

01:04:12.820 credence which seems like kind of an over overreaction or a kind but he puts her to sleep

01:04:19.860 and then ultimately this leads her down the path uh to showing her true nature slaying um sigurd

01:04:29.300 slaying or having prophesying of gunnar's death and it's it's all really interesting to me if if

01:04:38.980 you know to break it down really uh i use a marine corps term barney style

01:04:44.420 to break it down to these little chunks it's still extremely powerful

01:04:49.620 so

01:04:54.420 all right first if i could use the restroom i don't know if you had any advancements on that

01:05:03.540 um no go ahead uh do you take care of your needs um nick thank you nick donated 15

01:05:10.740 dollars to phrase off. Much appreciated. We've got some questions, and it's only seven, so I think

01:05:24.180 I am going to call an audible and do something else here in just a second. But before we get there,

01:05:40.740 All right, so we've got on some questions here.

01:05:55.660 First question.

01:05:59.520 What is one daily habit that you wish all or most members of the AFA would pick up and

01:06:06.180 why?

01:06:09.180 That is a hard question because I think there is, I think there is many.

01:06:24.680 Um, something that I think is a good habit that I would like for all of the members of the AFA to do is a.

01:06:44.140 all right i don't want to put it i think a check-in

01:06:57.560 with themselves before the gods at their altar on

01:07:05.440 i'm trying to think of the best the best way to put it because i think it's part

01:07:16.900 reaffirmations of loyalty of intention of the man or woman that you want to be

01:07:27.540 and a moment of thankfulness and putting yourself in the scheme of things

01:07:34.340 to, I don't know, lay out commitments for what you want to do or for what your intentions are

01:07:43.400 and to check back in and make sure you're living up to those.

01:07:48.740 And I think that may sound cryptic, and I don't mean that.

01:07:51.420 I think that there's, some of our folk have a difficulty in becoming habituated to piety.

01:08:05.740 I think coming before your altar, giving thanks for the blessings in your life, acknowledging things you intend to do for the gods, for your family, for the AFA, for whatever things in your life you are a part of, and committing to those in front of your altar is important.

01:08:34.600 And it forces you to check in with yourself on whether or not you're living up to those things or not.

01:08:43.560 And it puts you in a place to proceed with your life in a better and more noble way.

01:08:52.640 And I think that it works different.

01:08:54.660 I think sometimes folks who are morning people like to do that in the morning.

01:08:58.760 It's like we're starting out a new day.

01:09:00.800 I resolve to do this and do that.

01:09:03.520 And, you know, this commitment and hail the gods, whatnot.

01:09:08.940 But I think at the end of the day, it's also valuable to, you know, recognize where you've fallen short, recognizing things that you plan to do in the future.

01:09:22.120 Again, committing to right action on those things and also just taking stock of, you know, where you need work.

01:09:29.480 I think that can be done in conjunction with a number of other things. But I think that daily moment of prayer and reflection, but not internal reflection, reflection under the judgment of the Aesir is a valuable tool for our people and a valuable motivator to get our people to live up towards a standard.

01:09:59.100 So that's what I would say. Svon, question I have is what daily, what's one daily habit you wish

01:10:04.460 all or most members of the AFA would pick up and why? Oh, the meal prayer, I think is a great

01:10:16.140 place to start. But again, you made a great point about the conditions of people. Some people are

01:10:23.500 morning people some people are night people some people have families so um but one thing that

01:10:31.440 really came about uh you know i've been ausitru since 1994 and uh never before until the ausitru

01:10:44.080 folk assembly did the food prayer become a thing to be honest when i was younger i you know ah

01:10:50.920 that's something Christians do. Um, but what it really does is it continually reminds you

01:11:00.720 of where your, your ancestors, you're, you're the living moment right now where you're taking

01:11:07.740 a time to stop and eat. And you speak about your ancestors. You speak about the gods,

01:11:14.120 you speak about the church and you just take that moment. It all becomes kind of a finite point.

01:11:19.320 i think it's the easiest thing um because you know i i could say yeah you're you have to say

01:11:28.560 mantras or the thousand names of lord ovin or what have you but being realistic um

01:11:36.500 having that i think has so much cultural value too amongst our people so now you're you're

01:11:45.320 saying something that's culturally ingrained when we eat a meal um and it does stop you and

01:11:55.960 remind you because everyone has different levels of when they're engaging their their uh stalli

01:12:03.880 or their altar and when they're going to um the hoff some go to the hoff frequently some can't

01:12:12.520 uh you know so there's that kind of stuff i think is very hard to pin down

01:12:19.000 um but the food blessing is something that you gotta eat so you you should take time to stop and

01:12:29.160 give thanks and there's the piety factor right there i was i was called in to do a food blessing

01:12:37.080 to from my daughter's doll mimi's birthday party the other day that's awesome no it really is

01:12:45.720 because those kind of things first everything that spawn said and what i was saying earlier

01:12:52.440 for yourself and in a personal reflection way but with your family it's really valuable to

01:13:01.080 just incorporate those little things with your children and then see when they kind

01:13:05.960 of catch on as being an important thing unbeknownst you know not provoked now every time there is a

01:13:14.600 crash of thunder aubry hails thor um her doll's birthday party no we gotta bless the food because

01:13:23.800 that's what you do when you're gonna eat she reminds you know she reminds me if we're in a

01:13:30.040 hurry or something before it's time for her to get dressed for us going out of the house or whatever

01:13:35.960 no we need to go do our prayers first um those things they matter and sometimes you don't

01:13:44.440 realize how much until your kids catch you off guard reminding you on one of them and that's

01:13:49.400 really cool uh so yeah those habits i think are really important and they they realign you with

01:13:58.040 things it's easy to get distracted by all the different stimulus and stresses of life around us

01:14:08.840 but it's really beneficial to come back to a place of piety

01:14:14.600 and check in in that way at least once a day i'd say i i wanted to bring up something that

01:14:21.320 happened in the gothar class as well oh you're drinking from the horn um so uh the uh gothar

01:14:29.080 class we were looking into uh just nomenclatures of things like the stalli and the horker and the

01:14:37.560 vey and the hof and uh what i i was looking for it just when you were talking and i couldn't find it

01:14:44.280 um the saga states that um the the the man of the house was laying before the gods in the in the

01:15:01.060 room and uh there were in front of him and he was laying down before them and that's when his

01:15:07.620 opponent chose to attack him but one of the key factors of that is it shows a physical

01:15:15.700 part where uh he was kneeling most likely in maybe in meditation or some sort of state where he was

01:15:25.780 uh laying down now the way they make it sound because again translations it's like in english

01:15:33.140 it sounds like he's just laying flat like face down um on the earth in front of the gods and

01:15:41.620 i'm not saying that's another thing we got to get away from is uh it's written down that these

01:15:47.300 icelanders and this fjord did this festival at this time of the year so that means we have to

01:15:53.540 do it because that's what all our ancestors were doing but it did show that giving deference

01:16:01.700 well absolutely and i i want to show i want to mention a couple of things that

01:16:05.460 are going on in the chat before i get to some more questions oh yeah so um

01:16:12.100 i forget who asked or whatever uh oh uh major hicks that there's a um

01:16:19.220 we're not presenting a clear doctrine and we're really not on this episode that's one of the

01:16:23.140 things we're examining a really obscure fragment of our lore that's kind of a point of interest

01:16:30.500 for us but what somebody suggested and i'd like nick to link in the chat if he could the true

01:16:40.100 love mo yes the true love mo um sometimes because the nature of our faith as with many indigenous

01:16:48.660 faiths is much less clearly laid out in like a bible or a quran and it's much more a

01:17:00.500 orally trans transmitted um understanding of our faith i wanted to put in a document what are the

01:17:10.340 core tenets of what we believe and the the the bare bones for us to reflect to and recenter on

01:17:19.940 but also for people new to house the true or curious to look and see what are the foundational

01:17:26.580 teachings of the Auschwitz Folk Assembly. So that is done in the most concise way that we knew how

01:17:34.900 to try to present those. So please take a look at that and I think that that may get more to the

01:17:41.940 core of some of the questions that you might have or that any new person or perhaps somebody's been

01:17:47.620 around for a while that just wonders where the AFA is at with certain things. That might clear

01:17:52.420 that up in a really, in a really good way. And then the other question is, you know, kind of a

01:17:57.420 clarity about, let me think how it's asked. And thank you very much for mentioning these things

01:18:04.380 in the chat, because when so many of us do this, so often we're on episode 165, we take some things

01:18:16.240 for granted that we've covered in previous episodes, and we don't always realize we have

01:18:20.860 first-time listeners on every show so it's always worth repeating certain things and the next thing

01:18:28.460 is uh loki is like satan in question mark well so first yes absolutely i'm not going to do the thing

01:18:40.460 no yes 100 you're right absolutely that makes sense and as a

01:18:46.140 point of familiarity sure point of familiarity yes there are a lot of differences loki is not satan

01:18:58.280 they're two completely unrelated religions but yeah loki is the bad guy um in

01:19:08.600 judeo-christian mythology satan is the adversary and in a lot of again by the medieval period

01:19:19.720 in europe in medieval european christianity which is not very biblical satan becomes this horned

01:19:30.240 like monster that rules the underworld with his like he's super swole with his pitchfork and

01:19:37.700 whatever else. And that's its own post-biblical mythos about that. But in the Bible, he's

01:19:46.540 almost like an opposing counsel in some kind of courtroom thing. He's like the shady opposing

01:19:55.180 counsel guy. And it's a little, again, those people relate to that in a way that we don't.

01:20:07.700 Loki is treacherous and always scheming, and it does relate to the bit of lore that we read tonight.

01:20:23.220 Evil comes about through treachery, through disloyalty, through dishonesty, through shady trickery as opposed to forthright action.

01:20:34.600 And he represents that a lot. His shadiness is a catalyst for events to occur. And sometimes those events are beneficial to the gods. Sometimes they're not.

01:20:50.580 but ultimately he's murderous he is uh jealous and resentful of his fellows he is a malevolent

01:21:02.380 entity and something that is absolutely an opposition and enemy to our isera and to us

01:21:09.980 um but something worth pointing out we get in a habit and i just did it myself a second ago

01:21:15.900 I was talking about what he represents.

01:21:22.800 There are meta-narratives in our lore that do represent or illustrate values and points and things that we should understand symbolically.

01:21:36.680 But our gods are real.

01:21:39.680 They don't just represent stuff.

01:21:42.020 They are entities that exist in reality as entities with personality, with consciousness, and with willpower.

01:21:55.440 So they don't just represent things.

01:21:58.020 When we find the big meta things that they quote unquote represent, those are key personality traits of those spiritual beings that help us understand them better.

01:22:14.320 But we always need to come back to the basics of treating our gods as individuals with agency and with consciousness.

01:22:28.020 When we don't do that, it ceases being religion and it becomes philosophy or intellectual conceptualization.

01:22:39.640 No, we worship real deities that exist as real conscious entities that participate with us in our gift cycle and that have blessed us in a great many ways.

01:22:53.380 So it's always important to, I don't know, reinforce that or catch ourselves when we start treating them as archetypical characters.

01:23:07.320 We need to realize that certainly there's implications of that to help us understand them and to help us understand the world.

01:23:14.480 But no, they're actual entities that we interact with, with agency and individual consciousness.

01:23:23.380 I wanted to throw in on that a little bit. A couple of things. One, the being that is, but when we talk about the poems and the stories and the representation of what the scheming does and how it can be useful sometimes but isn't.

01:23:49.760 So one of the key differences is that it's worth bearing in mind that Satan was not fully introduced as a concept amongst the Abrahamic faiths until Job and Zechariah.

01:24:12.240 But before that, it was the adversary just in general.

01:24:18.060 And actually an angel is referred to as an adversary to, I would have to look it up just in a second, but there is an angel that comes before a mortal man and is receiving the wrath of Yahweh, and he stands as his accuser against God.

01:24:40.280 And the angel is referred to as a Satan or a Hasatan.

01:24:47.340 But it's later on when the enigmatic figure of the singular Satan, because remember there's multiples at first.

01:24:58.700 and then oh it's uh balam balam balam he stands he's riding his donkey or he's walking with his

01:25:07.420 donkey and an angel comes down and says he that the angel is a satan to balam in representing

01:25:17.820 the wrath of elohim yahweh and so i i point to that because it it shows reference of the word

01:25:25.740 the word means opponent and there was the multiplicity of opponents that eventually

01:25:31.020 get kind of correlated down and what satan represents is a lack of um

01:25:42.140 what is subservience to to yahweh ultimately when we break it all down he is not subservient

01:25:52.700 to yahweh and that is the crux of their their whole situation but in our faith uh loki is not

01:26:02.140 he he's with the gods they don't he has times where he crosses them but then he fixes it

01:26:09.740 and so on and so forth so there's not so much like he doesn't worship or obey or uh

01:26:19.900 subjugate himself before lord othen so he gets kicked out that's a huge difference instead

01:26:26.940 he continually weaves these troublesome uh indications that eventually arrive to him being

01:26:34.940 murderous and uh scheming and so on and so forth and so as the stories go it gets worse and worse

01:26:42.220 and worse um but it's i always you know the whole uh if you read in genesis that the snake is just

01:26:49.580 a talking serpent is just a uh a snake and then you see all of these hasatans um kind of being

01:26:59.580 mentioned and then finally it works itself down and so you can see the progression of that that

01:27:05.900 religion's view on um the these evil shadim um as they're called the shadim uh i think is the correct

01:27:19.180 word in hebrew for uh what they put the greek word demon for but um yeah so i mean i that's a huge

01:27:29.980 notable difference is that what the one side in one group cast out because of not obeying

01:27:37.900 and uh not supplicating to the will and the other is that loki is

01:27:46.060 kept around and is um there's negotiation there's movement and perhaps there's a warning in that

01:27:57.660 but it ultimately leads to betrayal and murder but so there's again uh major hicks you know as

01:28:05.260 is trying to incorporate all this figure it out says i can understand it better if loki

01:28:09.900 is designated as another people like the jews or all non-whites so i want a couple of things

01:28:19.420 no i don't think the analogy works because that's how betrayal works is it's from within

01:28:25.900 right which is also a meta narrative um running the translations on the last three stanzas of this

01:28:35.340 poem trying to figure it out one of the things that is figureoutable is the last lines they're

01:28:42.060 like fire sparks outside the hall but within the hall poison drips there's something about the

01:28:49.020 treachery of poison within with amongst kinsmen within a tight knit group it's that betrayal

01:28:58.940 an external group of people who are in opposition is a little bit different but the betrayer is a

01:29:05.500 different thing and honestly if we're so something else we do the lord doesn't refer to the random

01:29:14.300 historical events around us we can relate lessons from the lord to those events certainly but we get

01:29:22.780 the directionality wrong when we try to overlay modern events onto the lore instead of take

01:29:32.380 lessons from the lord to apply to modern events um but to do that for a second

01:29:41.420 within the world around us and you know you seem racially aware

01:29:47.520 we have outside groups of people that are in opposition to our interests but the most damaging

01:29:58.020 is from in my own life experience is no is is treacherous white people who are self-loathing

01:30:07.460 or just bad and miserable people that destroy everything good we try to do from within.

01:30:15.800 And I've seen so much more of that in real things around me that I can touch and feel

01:30:21.920 than in, you know, greater macro political struggles.

01:30:25.500 Not to say they don't exist, they do, but the enemy within is really, really different.

01:30:31.620 And I'd also like to say that when we try to relate that to the past,

01:30:36.560 we live in a very multicultural world today. So struggles between racial groups are very front

01:30:45.500 and center in our consciousness. In our ancestors' world, that didn't exist. Most of our ancestors

01:30:52.960 lived their whole life without ever encountering somebody who's not another white person.

01:30:57.580 That just wasn't the world that they lived in. The world of our lore didn't speak about racial

01:31:05.140 conflicts of you know blacks or asians or middle easterners that wasn't relevant to our ancestors

01:31:14.100 they didn't encounter those people at most it talked about you know the sami or you know in

01:31:22.260 one passage about scraylings when they went to north america and encountered a different group of

01:31:27.860 of uh people um that just wasn't a thing and it's not a that's not a political statement

01:31:38.900 that's not a stance it's a historical reality that didn't that was not something that occurred

01:31:44.260 to most of our ancestors um oh yes except for all the black vikings and cheddar man

01:31:53.860 and the ranch at the battle of haystings yeah in any time

01:32:01.060 yes um the bbc is is wild with their um mingling of of things and that's really kind of an affront

01:32:10.580 learning and knowledge in general and i hope it doesn't pollute our children um but yeah i just

01:32:17.300 wanted to put that out there because i think it's important so we have a couple of other things to

01:32:22.660 get to this evening that people have asked.

01:32:26.960 Trent wants to know, I'll hear you go with you and Witten Svahn.

01:32:29.900 Good evening.

01:32:30.760 For each of you, is there an AFA hero that inspires you more than the others?

01:32:38.060 Svahn, is there one of our heroes that inspires you more than others?

01:32:42.200 Yeah, it's kind of a toss up, but I would say one more so than the other simply because

01:32:49.840 i know more about one than the other um alexander rudd mills is my number two simply because of the

01:33:00.500 advancements that he was doing in his time making the anglican church of odin in australia

01:33:07.480 this is just so far ahead um and reading his book and being able to see his poems and

01:33:18.200 calling the problems out from way ahead but the outside of that i also really i think my number one

01:33:28.640 is older of eggvir um to me he represents something uh olav tryggverson was a terrible

01:33:40.800 uh person who was uh converting his um folk to the foreign religion by the sword and uh

01:33:52.480 over was with a group of other godis conducting ceremony and uh what he was ambushed um

01:34:04.140 And in that time, Olaf said convert or die. And in front of the people with the rest of the Gothis, he said, no, I'm not going to do that.

01:34:18.400 he knew that that pinnacle moment um and so olav of course kills oliver of egvir kills the other

01:34:29.900 gothis with him does not kill all the people but takes all of their food and stored stuffs

01:34:37.460 for the holy tide and then uh basically loots and then leaves um but the fact that his integrity to

01:34:47.540 the moment. Even though he knew that Olaf the wolf was about, he still brought the holy tidings

01:34:58.580 to the people. And at this time, the faith had become something that it went from something that

01:35:06.920 everyone does, no one conceptualizes in any different way. And this is our way and our

01:35:15.400 people totally synthesize to now there's this king saying we have to accept this God from Rome

01:35:23.300 or from the Middle East or what have you. And we're not going to have any of that. We're going

01:35:28.240 to still keep doing our holy tides and let's get together. And they were organizing even in the

01:35:35.220 face of threat. And I think that has a lot of application today, that there's a lot of folks

01:35:43.380 who will say they'll slay the dragon that they'll um uh you know i don't know run and punch the

01:35:51.580 troll in the face but when it comes to simply showing up to do the holy tides they won't do

01:35:58.500 it they can't do it or they're too scared so uh over of egir really represents that to me is

01:36:06.180 is the beauty in what perhaps

01:36:11.160 could be perceived as the mundane.

01:36:13.640 Just adhering to faith

01:36:15.660 and showing up and doing things

01:36:21.000 right down to the letter.

01:36:29.140 So any of these like,

01:36:32.840 what's your favorite?

01:36:33.800 This is really hard for me

01:36:35.520 because I overanalyze and I overthink stuff.

01:36:41.500 So one that stands out more than all the others,

01:36:47.000 I think it depends on what mood I'm in or what situation I'm facing

01:36:52.220 or what I think about that I can relate to one of their stories in some way.

01:36:58.520 there are a couple

01:37:04.780 and I will just

01:37:07.660 mention a couple

01:37:09.000 the two I'll mention are

01:37:14.860 Alexander Redmills and

01:37:16.720 King of Thaneric

01:37:18.140 yes

01:37:24.700 everything's Fawn was saying but like

01:37:26.540 really in a in a very specific way alexander rudd mills

01:37:31.580 was the first person to do this in modern times

01:37:40.460 without a no larp no nothing like he was yeah and i and i don't even want to criticize

01:37:49.640 the the larp thing but like because i i again i don't fault ritual vestments there's a time and

01:38:00.200 a place for the officiant to wear something and i don't think a tunic is a horrible thing

01:38:04.520 i don't think like i think that what the uh

01:38:08.920 australia gothar of the australia felegith wear is completely reasonable as a modern religious

01:38:16.840 garment, I don't have a problem with that at all. But there's a there's a need that

01:38:27.200 many others have felt to play dress up to do some kind of historical reenactment to

01:38:35.420 pretend they're of a different time or a different place to somehow connect themselves, or to

01:38:41.640 be some kind of an eccentric. So and this isn't to take away from anybody. These are

01:38:46.660 different stages that people had to go through and i i don't fault that and you know if dressed

01:38:53.700 up because it's cool that's one thing but if it's because that's some kind of an element to

01:39:05.620 we deal a lot with our people only conceiving of our faith in a viking context

01:39:11.540 as if our gods and also true only exists between 750 and 1000 in scandinavia and that's not the

01:39:22.040 case at all and so there is a a need that people have to conform to that or to that's a thing that

01:39:33.140 a lot of people deal with and it's not something or or okay or there's another way to where there's

01:39:39.800 extremely eccentric people doing spooky mystical stuff so like for example uh contemporaries of

01:39:49.380 those that preceded uh alexander red mills we have uh meister von list and again he's wearing

01:39:55.960 the floppy hat and he's got this air of a mystic about him and that's not to criticize him but

01:40:03.400 what was kind of stand and there's a lot of right ways to do this but

01:40:08.100 But what stands out to me a lot is Rudd Mills and his congregants look like regular dignified white people of their time doing something normal.

01:40:18.880 It wasn't that they had to be someone different or do something other.

01:40:25.540 They could show up in dresses and suits of the day that would be completely appropriate at any other religious service.

01:40:38.100 And they could do that and worship our gods in a purely modern context without going through that period of historicity.

01:40:51.040 But from day one, no, this is completely real, normal, now and contemporary.

01:40:59.080 Now, I love history.

01:41:00.620 So, I mean, I'm not saying that's the only way it should be done or whatever.

01:41:04.580 but i do think it's really impressive that they didn't go through that and they approached our

01:41:12.420 gods as men and women of you know the early 20th century without any pretense of anything else

01:41:23.140 and i find that beautiful i find that openness and that straightforward presentation

01:41:29.540 to be something beautiful and inspirational so alexander red mills really important to me in

01:41:35.780 that regard um and then king of thaneric um i think one of the reasons early on

01:41:43.460 it's exciting because we don't talk about the goths much

01:41:49.860 he was inspirational in the fact that

01:41:52.980 so many of our people are on the losing end of a struggle with christianity and they're valiant

01:42:04.660 in their in their in their fight and we honor them and literally putting their lives on the

01:42:10.900 altar of our gods so take nothing away from that but it's cool and inspirational to see someone

01:42:17.700 who saw it coming and took a stand and heroically enforced our faith

01:42:24.420 and triumphantly stood for our gods

01:42:29.600 and was able to take a stand against his own countrymen when necessary,

01:42:35.020 against the encroachment because he saw it coming

01:42:37.940 and he took the necessary steps.

01:42:41.140 And there is a wisdom in that and a power in that

01:42:44.640 that i think comes from a thaneric and echoes through the ages in a different way and so he's

01:42:51.200 always been very inspirational to me um and he was a figure that i learned about early on

01:42:57.600 in my discovery of alsatru or my coming home to alsatru rather uh and so that's always

01:43:03.920 stood out to me he's always been very inspirational to me ah what does the dragon represent

01:43:14.640 dinosaur question mark it's fun talk about dragons and dinosaurs and Fafner in specific

01:43:25.480 you are muted my friend

01:43:33.100 sorry I was clicking clacking on the keyboard and I didn't want to disrupt but

01:43:41.940 But there is a lot of speculation to the idea as to why all cultures have dragons and most modern folks equate it to bones and what have you.

01:43:58.000 but i would say more importantly the spiritual factor of what a dragon is

01:44:06.240 um our ancestors didn't know anything about dinosaurs even if they found bones

01:44:14.240 but they find these bones uh with teeth and so on and so forth but they know what a dragon is

01:44:24.400 and that what the dragon is the spiritual entity of a dragon and what it consistently has

01:44:33.280 across uh the aryan people versus say uh the oriental or the mes uh the future mesoamericans

01:44:41.760 or in africa or what have you the entity of a dragon in our people is a a build up of

01:44:53.120 force a a being an entity that encapsulates possesses uh owns and ultimately

01:45:07.120 propagates this kind of build up of power um there was a old teacher of mine who was

01:45:15.200 spoke about the arians in the in the steps uh long before even stepping into the west and into europe

01:45:24.640 and that the stories that must have come out from there in which the striker god slashes or or hits

01:45:35.840 the serpent and there's the release of water uh or the release of wind or the release of fire

01:45:43.280 and that the dragon becomes this encapsulation of both tangible order and almost a stagnation

01:45:55.280 or an overwhelming like a a power that's ready to burst and in some cases if it doesn't burst

01:46:03.040 it is bad it stops the the ever-moving flow of things that's why we call lord thor

01:46:11.280 the catalyst god he is the catalytic he he strikes in his symbol is the thorn as well and it you know

01:46:21.280 pokes through and once that happens the deluge comes out or um in example with the world serpent

01:46:31.040 the ormond gander um he is encapsulating the middle and the benefit of it is order the bad

01:46:40.560 part of it is is containment or almost like imprisonment um dragons represent a lot of that

01:46:49.120 i think outside of you know and removing all knowledge of dinosaur science if you will um

01:47:01.040 Is the spirit and the entity. And when they saw that, they said, that is that entity. And that entity hoards knowledge, hoards wealth, hoards secrets, contains things, lords over things.

01:47:23.440 and is ultimately the biggest, and I guess it's the pinnacle, it's the highest trophy

01:47:32.280 of the mortal slayer. Beowulf fights Grendel and Grendel's mother, but he dies at the hands

01:47:42.600 while slaying a dragon. Very important that that was part of his entirety of his story.

01:47:50.880 Same with Sigur. So the mortal slaying the dragon. I also think, because again, we speak about the gods are real and we can interpret things from history and apply them both in the macro and in the micro.

01:48:12.020 We just must never forget that they're active beings.

01:48:16.200 The Aryan gods are alive and they are doing things in our lives, despite us not fully understanding how or why.

01:48:27.680 Because, again, that's not necessarily a need of theirs.

01:48:33.780 We must give observation to them and then that observation turns into an understanding.

01:48:42.020 But in the micro, if we're talking about the self, the dragon is that possessive, is that thing that is withholding growth.

01:48:56.940 And so the warrior must be noble, must face against it.

01:49:02.800 It's the truly terrifying parts of the self as well.

01:49:08.360 I mean, you could read it in a lot of different ways.

01:49:12.020 But I like to think of the fact that if there was a significance of imagery, because I'm the art guy of a lot of this,

01:49:22.620 and imagery and artwork and things like that are very important to me, symbols.

01:49:29.540 And so even if they saw bones and teeth, they didn't say that, oh, this is a bygone thing.

01:49:38.960 No, they immediately associated it with the entity that is the drak or the dragon or the draco. And so with good reason, the essence of its shape to be a container, to bite its own tail or Ouroboros itself in a way, its maw, its very essence of that which is within us,

01:50:07.920 that must be slain in order for us to attain that which makes us our woed self.

01:50:15.220 We spoke about that in the VNS of the soul, about the woed self.

01:50:22.020 And I would argue that in micro, the woed self is the treasure that is gained from slaying the dragon of the self.

01:50:32.700 um so throughout whether we we talk about how the gods machinations are nature-based whether

01:50:42.560 they're cosmic uh or whether they're even within ourselves and all can apply

01:50:47.700 the the dragon amongst our folk always has that significance um

01:50:54.460 yes yeah so yeah and then really specifically that way so i think there's

01:51:03.020 you know kind of like spawn was alluding to i think there's there's two things

01:51:06.520 there's you know are dragons a reflection of some deep-seated uh folk soul remembrance of

01:51:15.720 dinosaurs in some way perhaps the monstrosity of the dragon and the the lesson of the dragon

01:51:26.520 the story of the dragon is about becoming monstrous by greed and hoarding and the malignancy of it

01:51:37.000 um i do have to wonder there's dragons in lots of cultures all around the world

01:51:45.720 we do find these amazing bones in things i don't you know i don't dismiss that that could be a

01:51:58.140 relate that the one could be a relation to the other at all um you know in the stories

01:52:04.180 they represent a a different thing than you know oh this guy happened to be a dinosaur and so we

01:52:15.400 to kill him now the point is dinosaur or not in this particular tale he started out

01:52:26.120 humanoid for lack of a better term we talked about this before um fafner and his brothers

01:52:33.560 were kind of they're mythological persons that existed alongside the gods in the heroic age

01:52:43.400 they you know in the golden age they uh had magical powers and could shape shift the one

01:52:50.600 brother you know can become an otter um rayon often looks dwarvish and and stuff uh fafner

01:53:01.240 you know these guys were all brothers came from the same set of parents but over time he becomes

01:53:05.720 this giant dragon creature and it's a lot of his soul metastasizing about this dragons also have

01:53:15.800 i an element of yoknar to them they have a an ancient magical knowledge they have an arcane

01:53:24.200 like wisdom of things so they're not brutish they are monstrous but because they're monstrous

01:53:33.800 they're not dullards they're magically potent they're wells of ancient wisdom and things

01:53:43.720 there's a lot there that speaks of i think in a meta way speaks of the metastasized chthonic

01:53:54.440 forces of the primal and the underneath and the sub

01:54:03.800 Sub intellectual. But there's, there's some stuff to that. So yeah, like you see serpent creatures in our lore, in a number of ways, you see them in the art in a lot of ways.

01:54:25.940 And I think, you know, we would be dishonest if we didn't say one of the reasons I think they're in the art as much as they are is they lend themselves to a weaving pattern easier than other creatures.

01:54:36.960 um but it is a it is a common thing and the idea of the astral

01:54:48.460 the consciousness the heroic succeeding over the purely chthonic purely primal purely

01:54:58.160 instinctual speaks a lot towards the noble nature of the Aryan soul that nobility shines through

01:55:09.720 and it overcomes the monsters of the deep and I think that's an important theme throughout

01:55:16.840 um something not talked about here but it was something kind of asked in a different context

01:55:24.020 of me earlier and something i'd like us to touch on is the symbology of birds and what birds

01:55:33.620 represent in our lore the question came to me specifically in the form of spawn of swans

01:55:43.220 and swan representation as like the valkyrie and other swan references

01:55:54.020 But birds play an important role in a lot of our lore

01:55:57.680 and specifically the understanding of birdsong,

01:56:01.040 it plays a role in the Volsunga cycle.

01:56:06.640 But in this poem, particularly when it talks about,

01:56:12.480 you know, Gunnar reflecting on the croak of the raven

01:56:17.720 and the screech of the eagle,

01:56:19.600 So, Fawn, what would you like to, you know, you are aptly named for this question.

01:56:27.140 What do you think the relevance is of birds in our lore?

01:56:33.240 Yeah, I think that it is an Aryan commonality, that there is a connection between the middle

01:56:43.700 world and the upper world through birds.

01:56:47.120 um the the birds of battle uh the birds of beauty uh or of songs i think they're connected to

01:56:56.280 liel selfheim and the heavenly realm the idea of even the iconography of wings on the helmet

01:57:04.500 and the idea of the mind being elevated into the upper realm the realm above we our ancestors

01:57:14.640 thought that the gods lived in the center place above on the mountains of heaven that didn't need

01:57:23.120 to even have necessarily a literal geographic spot it was that the gods were in the center

01:57:29.360 and above and the birds were of the above and so birds intrinsically become symbolic

01:57:37.360 with all of the heavenly components and so a swan especially with its beauty of the the white

01:57:47.160 feathers and also its ferociousness a lot of people don't realize that swans you know people

01:57:53.760 think that geese are terrifying and swans are actually way worse um so this symbolic connection

01:58:01.120 of like the the maidens of lord odin in swan's skin and i i spoke about that too there is a lot

01:58:11.920 of arian crossover germanic arians will pull from slavic arians or from gaulish arians and i don't

01:58:20.560 exactly i can't even map out how it exactly happens but we see the story of the slavs they

01:58:26.880 have Svaurog and they have Perun, the striker, and Veles turns, Veles is the wizard and he turns

01:58:35.700 into a serpent, a dragon, and when he fights Perun, he is broken and the rains fall. That's

01:58:44.620 very reminiscent to Lord Odin and Lord Thor having their verbal battle on the river. Same with the

01:58:56.560 silk the selkies the silkies of the of the gaulish i i island folk and the idea of being able to

01:59:05.140 remove the skin and you clearly see some crossovers there with the the capturing of the

01:59:13.060 valkyries when they're outside of their swan skins so that's just again internal that's um

01:59:21.460 in the house inside the fence of us as as folk um and so i think that bird symbology

01:59:31.620 amongst arians filled very much the same niche as messengers if you will um

01:59:40.900 there there's there seemed to be three things it was it was generally smoke birds and by way horses

01:59:50.580 interestingly enough um but that's vehicles in general but yeah i think that's why it it perfectly

01:59:59.460 fits in our common arian cycles of thought yeah um i think birds

02:00:11.540 just like i was kind of saying serpents and things represent the under

02:00:24.980 birds represent the over and they represent ascension birds represent human ascension and

02:00:32.020 transformation into something more they also represent you know messengers from the divine

02:00:40.980 realm sources of like divine knowledge you don't like when you see them as messengers or there's

02:00:55.700 relevance to the the language of birds it's always like premonitions or warnings or heads

02:01:04.420 up on certain things or reminders of certain things there they seem very much like um

02:01:13.220 points of translation from earth to people like letting people know about

02:01:23.860 things in the world around them that they wouldn't other be wouldn't otherwise be aware of

02:01:29.460 um sometimes they're messengers the gods they literally transmit you know in the form of the

02:01:34.660 valkyrie the the winged spawn maintenance they transfer the the souls of the dead the ascended

02:01:43.460 souls upwards towards valho um so i think birds certainly represent that we see you know a great

02:01:53.460 eagle sitting atop the world tree, you see a hawk

02:01:57.580 sitting between his eyes, we see

02:02:00.360 that idea of ascension through birds

02:02:05.300 very often, and we all are aware of Hugen and Munan,

02:02:09.880 the

02:02:10.360 pets of the All-Father

02:02:17.660 that go through the world and report back to him.

02:02:23.460 So yeah, I think that's seen throughout our lore, and it flows into our next question.

02:02:28.240 If y'all get a chance, what is the significance of Sleipnir having eight legs?

02:02:39.140 Svon, what do you say?

02:02:40.520 uh i say uh that one of the interesting things i want to bring up is i've heard this thing on the

02:02:49.480 internet where it's like the eight legs represent eight pallbearers on the coffin that's an

02:02:56.040 interesting development i've never heard that before i've seen it a bunch and i'm like wow

02:03:00.440 that's interesting somebody actually mentioned it in the chat too oh okay so first off

02:03:06.200 our ancestors probably did not have the coffin pallbearer um leaving the church and putting them

02:03:16.360 in the ground kind of that probably wasn't a big thing if it was i think it would be more or so

02:03:22.440 written about but more so than that i think that's a christian tradition but this the connection

02:03:28.200 between lord odin and death and the psychopath is interesting but what what people are doing

02:03:35.960 on the internet is very interesting and this ties into an another question so the arian

02:03:43.800 folk as they are kind of introduced to say foreign ideas or what have you they will apply

02:03:52.120 things in their blood to rationale things that are not or that are outside so that's a perfect

02:04:01.000 example the blood is slept near the eight horse leg or the uh eight-legged horse and then the

02:04:08.120 pallbearer of today even though that's entirely a christian uh western civilization construction

02:04:15.480 of things but we do it almost immediately and we do it all the time um so much so that

02:04:23.240 it affected christianity with the trinity um but a lot of people don't look at the name

02:04:30.840 slept near slept near means the slipping one the one who slips

02:04:37.400 in essence the the it is poetically being implied that there is no barrier that can keep

02:04:48.600 slepnir away so what this truly does is multiplies lord odin's dynamicism he is

02:04:58.400 the dynamic god that can go everywhere now he can go everywhere really fast or

02:05:06.760 And again, I think it sounds kind of childish, but, you know, we have to think about what

02:05:12.840 we were talking about with the audiences, like the horse being loyal, with the hall

02:05:19.520 being the woman poisoning the horn.

02:05:22.400 These concepts, these things have significant meaning.

02:05:26.300 And sometimes the horse with four extra legs is faster.

02:05:33.600 It's a symbolic representation of speed.

02:05:39.180 Now, from my personal view of it, is that slipping in and out of the realm of weird Orla.

02:05:50.220 That Orla that descends from Erd's well and comes into the middle creates structure.

02:05:56.820 And that structure is that the gods are above time and fate and gravity and all of those things. And that Sleipnir is a key or a mode or a vehicle that Lord Odin utilizes to maximally move through the entanglement of the web or whatever it may be.

02:06:24.140 and i'm not trying to limit the power of the gods but what i'm saying is is like the vehicle

02:06:30.220 and its representation uh i mean as far as i know lord othen does i mean he doesn't

02:06:38.140 literally ride a horse but there's this component that becomes a representation of his ability

02:06:45.500 to be anywhere all the time and go through the land of the middle or even down into the land of

02:06:53.180 the low where none of the other gods seem to to be able to go unless they die um and the only way

02:07:00.540 that her mother gets down there is because of slept near so slept near is the pool that allows

02:07:09.420 the dynamic lord it is the he is the vehicle that opens up an ease so it it was uh

02:07:19.020 tricky before, but doable. But now the trickiness is gone. He has Sleipnir. He will be everywhere

02:07:28.380 he needs to be when he needs to be there. And he can move between the times of fate and reality

02:07:34.940 and manifestation and all the questions we have about the gods, Lord Odin can do it.

02:07:42.860 And Slepnir is, in essence, the vehicle that represents at least the movement, if you will.

02:07:50.980 I want to cut in just because I know y'all are going to continue on this.

02:07:55.960 Everything you said makes perfect sense, except for none of that had anything to do with the fact that he has eight legs.

02:08:04.080 It all checks out, and I agree.

02:08:06.780 So, double legs, faster.

02:08:09.180 That's the only bit of it

02:08:12.340 That actually clicks

02:08:13.580 Flag on the play before you steal my answer

02:08:16.980 Double A means faster

02:08:18.620 I was going to get there Nick

02:08:20.560 I was going to get there

02:08:22.040 Numerology is just

02:08:24.200 So okay here's the thing

02:08:26.400 I don't

02:08:28.260 So to follow

02:08:30.280 Upon Nick's prescient

02:08:32.140 Description

02:08:34.300 Of numerology

02:08:35.180 I am

02:08:36.560 I'm not that guy either

02:08:38.620 and i'm not so arrogant to say there's nothing to it but it's not how i interface with the world

02:08:47.980 and it's not something that's readily apparent to me in a way that i can process what i do think is

02:08:54.500 a so also to something that nick said in the chat he's like maybe it just means he's fast

02:09:03.240 because he's got a bunch of legs honestly maybe it does i think that one of the things that is

02:09:12.040 cool about our lore is finding points of relevance in our life

02:09:18.280 and ways to relate to things through it and i think it's one of the reasons that we want to

02:09:25.240 be dogmatic about things that we know for a fact are true and that we strongly have conviction on

02:09:34.800 but also allow for people to find points of relevancy in their life

02:09:41.100 that are meaningful to them and that might not be of super meaning to some of the rest of us

02:09:47.360 what I think is useful to what I've always found noteworthy about the eight legs

02:09:53.960 is that our cosmos is conceived in nine worlds and if we're counting his body and the all father

02:10:04.640 is being in one of those worlds then that's a leg for each of the remaining worlds

02:10:09.920 i think all of this goes into the meta narrative that's fond talked about about the

02:10:17.860 nature of odin's ability to travel through things and to be in different realms and different places

02:10:29.160 we don't always see that with the gods we see it in a very different way with the all-father he

02:10:36.720 is very often on the move and traveling through the realms and being in midgard and

02:10:43.520 doing things with a fluidity of movement that the other gods don't often have.

02:10:52.440 We see Thor travel to the east to go beat down giants

02:10:58.880 and come back to Asgard there often, but we don't.

02:11:04.660 So I think this is, yes, I think in a big way that we can hang our hat on

02:11:09.740 that is official afa dogma uh yeah odin is able to easily move between the worlds easily move

02:11:20.380 across the veil between life and death easily travel those things in a way that our other gods

02:11:26.860 not as much i do think it's interesting because even like uh grani in in the poems that we're

02:11:36.180 speaking about is the offspring of uh Sleipnir and he doesn't have an abnormal number of legs

02:11:45.700 he's simply the best of steeds and he can you know do great things and has courage to

02:11:52.740 again to travel through things to travel through barriers to leap over the wall of of fire to get to

02:11:59.380 Brindhild.

02:12:05.600 So I think that's really

02:12:07.220 important, but I think

02:12:09.480 the eight legs, I've always found

02:12:11.320 the correlation between that

02:12:12.760 and the nine worlds to be

02:12:14.900 cool or significant.

02:12:17.940 I'm not saying that's

02:12:19.540 what the lore meant. It's just

02:12:21.460 a point of connectivity that's

02:12:23.260 seemed

02:12:24.600 useful to me to think about.

02:12:28.260 i think that's important the first time that the legs have came into play that i'm like yeah that

02:12:33.460 makes some sense yeah again i'm not hanging my hat on it i'm just it's a point of relevance that

02:12:39.540 has stood out to me as something of interest well and uh that's a good point the difference between

02:12:47.460 say perhaps lore and the significance that one finds in it um you you came into ausa true

02:12:58.100 you looked at the lore just like everyone else and you gained significant insight based on

02:13:05.620 the inclinations of of meaning and symbology so i think a lot of that has pertinence um

02:13:12.260 Um, it's just not perhaps the lore like version.

02:13:17.960 And again, we've spoken about the lore, but it, yeah, it's that observation.

02:13:22.220 It's that the inclination to the idea of his ability to move and you have correlated it

02:13:29.100 with the worlds and, and ultimately the heavenly realm, Lord Odin being on top.

02:13:35.160 um and i you know i also think it's interesting that slepnir was born out of a broken barrier

02:13:46.580 the barrier around ausgarther in heaven slepnir is a product of it so he's quite literally the

02:13:56.460 symbolization of no barrier fully completed no barrier fully closed um but i really think

02:14:05.760 because icelanders have a huge thing with horses so much that we have a fifth uh running trot

02:14:14.400 um that the symbology of the multiple legs is quite literally uh horse go faster that's just

02:14:25.240 And I don't like to say it in a condescending way, but again, it's the same reason why we attach red to Lord Thor. Red has power, vitality. So we associate that color with Lord Thor.

02:14:45.120 That's what I'm ultimately meaning, is these are deep down connective tissues to the entities that are.

02:15:00.800 Okay, so up next, I have an odd question.

02:15:08.160 Is there a chronological order to read the sagas?

02:15:15.120 so i had not paid attention to this question the first time i read it

02:15:23.400 i thought he was talking about the lore or the eddas he is specifically talking about

02:15:31.220 the sagas with that in mind swan would you say there is a chronological order to read the sagas

02:15:40.020 i think that the saga of the icelanders it's a pretty weighty tome i think i have it upstairs

02:15:48.500 that that uh the prologue for that book maps out uh by settlement the sagas and so it is

02:16:02.180 really really good if you're looking at timing it talks a lot about that and

02:16:10.020 the other way that you can look at it is because there's the the land now my book or the land

02:16:14.660 naming land taking um and really anything doing with greenland uh with the the greenlander sagas

02:16:25.780 um that is pretty much deep into christian conversion so another good point for you

02:16:35.380 to look at is is this pre or post greenland if it's post greenland christianity's um uh

02:16:45.380 you know really saturating the veins of the people and uh if it's before greenland then

02:16:52.660 the people still have their folk blood their folk way um uncontaminated if you will

02:17:00.740 but get get uh saga of the icelanders that big if you read in the beginning it talks about

02:17:10.280 each saga and how the movement around iceland was happening so just to address real quick

02:17:16.940 something in the chat um with

02:17:21.920 hilda roderick ellis davidson i

02:17:27.600 davidson was her married name i have no idea her husband's background as it's pointed out in the

02:17:35.640 chat though it's pretty common english name unfortunately a bunch of hebrew names made

02:17:40.820 it into the english lexicon through biblical things uh i say that named matthew um and her

02:17:49.400 her surname is just roderick i thought her last name was uh ellis

02:17:58.840 anyways but yeah the davidson portion of her name was her married name so i have no idea the

02:18:03.800 gentleman she married or not but that wouldn't affect her her early life but her writings are

02:18:07.880 really really interesting it's been a long time since i went back to read those but she did

02:18:12.680 really good work that way and again she was educated she was born in 1914 so she was educated

02:18:19.960 and writing before all of the pc nonsense post-war which was really nice um

02:18:29.480 folks educated after the second world war unfortunately tend to have such restraints

02:18:37.400 on nationalism on anything that is i guess what now would be called race realism okay so apparently

02:18:47.080 according to nick's findings she her last name was roderick and she incorporated her mother's maiden

02:18:56.200 name and her husband's name in the future for her like really long for name thing

02:19:04.360 so yeah roderick is absolutely germanic so anyways that's just okay what information

02:19:15.960 a strange deviation for what we're talking about relevant to the chat room those listening later

02:19:20.920 it might not be uh but myths and symbols of pagan europe a book that she did that is very

02:19:26.440 influential and a good read for everybody a chronological order to the sagas yeah you

02:19:31.960 could read them chronologically and i don't mean that nearly as flippant as it comes out to be

02:19:38.520 but they are about people and events and if you wanted to research each of what that is

02:19:47.320 and do it that way that would be a chronological way to do it i think that

02:19:53.800 so all of the the icelandic sagas the heimskringla

02:20:11.800 beowulf and the volsunga saga is what i would count as sagas when we're talking about sagas

02:20:20.040 um that said if you wanted to chronologically it's hard because the heimskringla is a collection

02:20:35.260 of sagas about the kings of norway from mytho golden age period all the way up past the

02:20:46.820 christianization to um aegels or through uh past that through to snorries time so from prehistory

02:20:57.880 to 1200 so you would have to intermix things in in between there um but reading in the way back

02:21:09.500 stuff i think the volsunga saga would come first followed by beowulf and then the more historic age

02:21:20.940 sagas a lot of the prep work of that would come from the early part of the heimskringla

02:21:30.460 and then you can intersperse there's a number of

02:21:34.620 all right so there's a cool book called the sagas of the icelanders there are sagas that are not

02:21:41.640 contained in that book but that book has a really good collection of the name brand ones

02:21:48.420 and you can piece together the other ones as they relate to those events a lot of sagas

02:21:55.220 because a lot of the sagas overlap in a particular saga age where that was a popular thing so there's

02:22:03.580 a lot of overlapping sagas um yeah i i read them kind of at random uh when i first came about them

02:22:18.460 i first came home to also true i think the first saga i ever read was grittier the strong saga

02:22:25.900 because it described them as being strong and strong people are cool and literally that was

02:22:30.300 my only thing was i didn't know where to jump in so that's where i jumped in and it's kind of a

02:22:36.700 outlier i don't think it's one that's referenced often it's cool because it talks about zombies um

02:22:43.980 so it's neat but it isn't where i would have started first had it all do over again

02:22:51.820 i think the heimskringla is a really good place to start for the historical sagas

02:22:56.780 again i think doing beowulf and the volsunga saga first are probably a good way to go if you want to

02:23:04.420 stick to some chronology on it but then going through the heimskringla and then picking up

02:23:12.640 the extras like the sagas of the icelanders and other things i think would you would have

02:23:18.260 a historical context for how to shuffle them in that'd just be my advice there's probably a lot

02:23:25.080 right ways to do it um our next question also from major hicks who who's a new a newcomer to this um

02:23:34.520 is there any icier lore that is to be our modern and future guide or is it only supposed to be

02:23:42.840 historical i think we know the answer to that but spawn how would you express the answer to that

02:23:50.600 well i mean no i don't think it should only be historical our faith is a living faith and i

02:23:58.120 think that our church is the church of the ice here uh we are facing things our ancestors didn't

02:24:06.360 face uh and we are applying ideals that were built both out of success and folly

02:24:15.080 we learn from the mistakes of our ancestors and we apply that. And then there are things

02:24:22.380 that have made our ancestors victorious and we're applying that as well. So I would say

02:24:29.520 that, did he say lore or? He said any I see or lore. So I assume lore that relates to our gods.

02:24:41.000 Yeah. So, I mean, in its sense, we have only two things we can look at. We can look at the writings or we can look at the archaeological finds. And again, both can be very compromised. Cheddar Man is a perfect example of how archaeological finds can be compromised.

02:24:59.720 But ultimately, what we can really and truly say is the lore of our church, the OUSA True Folk Assembly is the living, organic, moving forward, engaging in the world around from the perspective of faith and gift cycling.

02:25:29.720 And asking the gods for guidance and doing it in mass or a number enough to where I feel that the gods are blessing us with our advancement in the world.

02:25:46.020 We are making ourselves known.

02:25:48.700 Victories are happening.

02:25:49.880 so lore i mean there is the conceptualization of lore that the gothar bring forward to the to the

02:26:01.860 folk i think that's your your most modern you can read a lot of books about things and there are

02:26:07.960 even people out putting modern stuff out now with their conceptualizations sometimes it's heavily

02:26:14.320 biased off of their interests and, and so on and so forth. Um, I was reading a book called

02:26:22.280 seeds of Yggdrasil that went heavily into concepts of, of, uh, kind of blending our faith with

02:26:32.060 other faiths and making everything more psychological. And, um, I don't, I don't

02:26:40.660 agree with that i think sure you can look at the microbe but that's not the entirety of it but you

02:26:45.860 see these modern books are making they're they're writing these lore and they're doing it with the

02:26:50.900 their certain intentions or they're making the religion hyper ritualistic hyper um formulaic

02:26:59.540 where there's steps and quadrants and uh candles and uh things that need to be in in the correct

02:27:08.420 way and so they kind of go based on their bias that they want to have this a lot i guess a lot

02:27:14.660 of stuff involved in honoring and and reaching out to the gods but the australian folk assembly

02:27:22.660 finds itself right in that sweet spot where it has members and it has a clergy and it has

02:27:32.260 a presence and it has received boon from the gods and all the while it's never over lashing in

02:27:41.140 to different parts it's maintaining its course and i think that that gives credence to the afa

02:27:48.820 being a huge source of lore um but that requires attendance and interaction with community

02:27:57.860 Yeah, so the word lore in this context is ethereal because it means a lot of different things.

02:28:17.120 the most overt is like us swan and i reading these pieces of the the poetic and the prose eddas

02:28:29.360 but specifically religious ausitru history is lore in and of itself

02:28:42.800 archaeology is lore

02:28:46.800 a hundred years from now

02:28:51.160 AFA writings are lore

02:28:53.600 in my view

02:28:57.160 writings from our founder

02:29:02.060 and some of our early practitioners

02:29:04.540 in the 70s and the 80s is lore

02:29:07.200 our gods interact with us in real time

02:29:12.080 in the world that we live in and they didn't there wasn't some period where they all talked

02:29:18.560 to some viking guy and he wrote stuff down and then they disappeared beyond the mists

02:29:25.920 our gods interact with us today through a very similar mechanism now perhaps our ancestors

02:29:32.480 through centuries of being attuned to knowing how to listen to them have mastered that art

02:29:40.000 better than we have at present maybe our gods need to like talk louder to get us to listen or

02:29:47.200 or maybe it hits us in a different way at a different moment that all may be we do the best

02:29:52.860 we can and we uh appreciate their benevolence and in you know shouting at us when they have to

02:30:00.020 but all of this lore is built to help us internalize a value system

02:30:09.820 internalize a drive towards heroism and nobility and to help us build a relationship

02:30:23.300 with the Aesir through understanding them better.

02:30:27.700 We can do that through the lore in a lot of ways.

02:30:31.800 We can also do that through prayer and interaction

02:30:34.480 and through the gift cycle.

02:30:38.860 And I think we see it,

02:30:41.480 that's something that over the vast stretches of time

02:30:47.540 we're going to see in a much more obvious way

02:30:51.720 and you see in a subtle way now but the people who regularly tend and regularly attend

02:31:01.320 things at Baldershof have developed a much deeper relationship with Lord Balder than

02:31:13.080 folks did previous because there's only snippets in the lore that tell us about Balder

02:31:20.860 But through caring for his Hoff, caring for his altar, regular relationship building and gifting with Lord Balder, those people have connected with him in a very special way.

02:31:41.860 And I think that will stand out in the future much more than it does right now.

02:31:47.120 so our lore connects us and helps gives us a starting point but our religion isn't the

02:31:54.000 veneration of old text it is the current living out of our best understanding of the will of the

02:32:02.260 iser and our efforts to build success for our folk and to make the iser proud of us

02:32:11.840 and that's what we seek to do and the lord helps us to have a context to do that within to

02:32:19.440 inform kind of a place to start for our faith or a place to

02:32:24.080 harken back to or learn lessons from but it's a tool to orient us it's not meant as the be

02:32:30.800 all and end all of our faith and you know to relate something that's fawn said about the

02:32:42.080 the formula i say it a lot but i think it's always worth repeating

02:32:52.160 i believe very much that religion our space our faith in specific

02:32:58.800 is an art and not a science there are people that try to break ritual down to a

02:33:11.120 very specific like secret code I don't even know if kids do this on the video

02:33:22.560 games anymore but old man at this point in my life but I remember on the

02:33:26.420 Nintendo you'd have these codes where you do like up up down down left right

02:33:32.000 a b a b to do these things relating do you know it okay

02:33:40.340 do you interact with anyone in your life that you need to know a secret code to interact with

02:33:49.000 because i don't when you interact with living beings that have agency sentience and personality

02:34:00.140 your intent and your genuineness and how you present yourself

02:34:07.360 matter so much more now the gods are much bigger and much more important than all of these people

02:34:14.580 that we know and interact with but you don't need to memorize dance moves to interact with your

02:34:20.720 mother or your father or your grandparents or your friends or the people that you care about

02:34:28.340 especially the more advanced they are and the better people they are the more susceptible

02:34:38.320 they are to understanding your intention even if you lack eloquence or if you lack

02:34:44.420 protocol or procedure and how you do things your attitude means a lot i've likened it often to how

02:34:53.300 parents or adults in general act towards children who will give them a hideous picture that they

02:35:03.820 made that you have no idea what it's supposed to be but if they come to you like so happy and proud

02:35:11.600 of this thing they made for you you don't need their stick figure lion giraffe hippo thing they

02:35:20.020 made but the fact that they made it for you means a lot and i think it sounds almost impious in its

02:35:30.340 simplicity and i don't mean it that way but i think that's our starting point for understanding

02:35:36.100 interacting with the gods um and this again i i get here with my stories sometimes and i don't

02:35:45.540 know if they make sense or not but the founder of our church steve mcdalen and i were in lubeck

02:35:53.700 and we were tired we're traveling all day i don't remember the exact circumstance i just remember

02:36:00.020 we were tired we were hungry and in the super tourist traps of germany you had people that

02:36:06.740 spoke fluent english but our founder nor myself are fluent in deutsch in deutscher spraca so we

02:36:20.420 trying to do our best we just wanted some food and steve wanted some chicken the waiter came up to us

02:36:27.380 and he didn't he didn't speak english we didn't speak german steve wanted some chicken says

02:36:37.980 chicken oh the guy has no idea you know what so steve tucked his uh as i recall

02:36:48.060 tucked his thumbs under his armpits

02:36:51.000 and

02:36:51.600 and the guy

02:36:54.820 brought Steve some chicken

02:36:58.780 it's a win

02:37:00.300 he didn't know the dance moves

02:37:02.560 he didn't know the language

02:37:04.100 but he was able to communicate

02:37:06.680 hey I want some chicken

02:37:07.960 the waiter was able to figure it out

02:37:10.060 got him some

02:37:11.500 was

02:37:13.140 kind in the sense that we were in his country

02:37:17.080 and we didn't speak his language but we were trying and he did his part and made it work

02:37:26.120 if a random waiter in lubeck can do that why would our gods not be able to understand what

02:37:33.240 our intention is if and if we're doing it from the right heart space

02:37:39.800 reward us with their blessings or they're you know taking our offering in the spirit it's intended

02:37:47.080 Also, with Germans and with AFA trips to Europe, Mandy and I and a number of other AFA leaders

02:37:56.000 went over to Sweden a number of years ago, and we met there with an elderly German couple that

02:38:05.800 showed up early for an event, and they were going to be joined by some of their countrymen,

02:38:10.440 you know, three days later, I think, at the event we were going to,

02:38:13.820 But they wanted to hang out with us. And we were at a friend of ours home over there. He was a Swede. This elderly couple did not speak Swedish. They did not speak English. None of us spoke German.

02:38:30.920 they spent three days with us we had a lovely time we laughed we enjoyed each other's company

02:38:41.060 we shared meals we figured out where we were going and where to meet because they had their

02:38:47.240 own vehicle and we had you know a number of different vehicles it worked amazingly well

02:38:53.840 We didn't speak each other's language, but it worked out.

02:38:59.020 And I think that's much closer to how we relate to the gods than, you know, and I think it's just as far removed and just as strange an analogy.

02:39:10.640 I think that is closer to how we relate to the gods than, you know, typing in the extra life codes on the Nintendo 64, having the rectangle controller that dug into your hands when you were really beaten on the controls.

02:39:27.220 Right. Have the grid and the cauldron and the candles.

02:39:30.300 And OK, so here's the thing. And I'll speak more on this.

02:39:34.400 and i forget where he expresses it and i think he expresses it in a lot of different places

02:39:43.120 one of the more esoteric kind of works that i was reading when i first got into

02:39:48.440 was some of uh dr stephen flower's pen name edgen thorson's works and he talked about

02:39:55.760 magical practice and things and how often when people first start out, they need really

02:40:05.120 elaborate ritual to, I guess, orient themselves, calibrate themselves to what they're doing,

02:40:16.780 fully emerge in what they're

02:40:20.860 doing to be focused and to be

02:40:23.520 effective.

02:40:28.300 But that the longer

02:40:30.420 and more familiar, the longer someone's been involved and the more familiar

02:40:34.540 someone is with magical practice, the less of the bells and whistles

02:40:38.820 they need to do the thing they're intending

02:40:42.760 to do. Because they're not

02:40:46.020 having to find that context. There's nothing wrong if you want to get in the tic-tac-toe pattern

02:40:54.400 on how you orient your stuff and you want to do the dance steps and do the things to do ritual

02:41:02.960 work. If that gets you in a headspace where you are more receptive to messages from the divine

02:41:14.140 and you are more focused on the intent of what you're doing,

02:41:20.380 okay, that's not wrong, that's not bad, you're not doing it wrong.

02:41:26.000 In my experience, when doing rituals specifically,

02:41:30.740 the more I'm trying to remember complicated movements or complicated formula,

02:41:38.820 The less I'm opening my heart to the gods, the more I'm thinking about all these little tedious things and not about I'm in the presence of my gods.

02:41:54.760 I love them so much.

02:41:56.520 I'm so devoted to them.

02:41:58.100 I don't think about those things because I'm worried about remembering my next line or my next movement.

02:42:08.820 That it takes me out of ritual space to do that. And I find much more benefit and much more comfort just opening my heart and speaking off the cuff to the gods.

02:42:26.080 I think that connects me in a better way. And different people probably approach that differently.

02:42:34.260 And I'm not saying people that don't do it like me are wrong, but I am saying our gods are mighty and they have the ability to understand us.

02:42:49.740 It's not a, so in math, you either get the answer or you don't.

02:42:56.320 There's no such thing as close.

02:42:57.660 If you mess up a step, you're exponentially wrong at the end and it's all done.

02:43:04.260 It's right or it's wrong. In language arts, it's different. You can write an essay and it doesn't

02:43:14.860 have to be perfect. Some of it can be a little bit off. Some of it can be really insightful.

02:43:20.700 There's a lot of different things. And I think that expresses interpersonal relationship much

02:43:25.340 better than a math problem. So when you approach the gods, I think understanding that they are at

02:43:32.960 the bare minimum, the very best of people, and that they are only greater and more than

02:43:40.100 that. They're certainly capable of deciphering your intention if it's done with piety and

02:43:46.200 respect and responding to it accordingly. So don't fear that if you don't get the right

02:43:52.900 dance steps that they won't hear you or don't care. That's simply not the case. And I probably

02:43:58.540 waxed over long on that um did christianity steal the jesus hanging from wood story from that

02:44:12.220 i didn't see what that was in the thing i'm only assuming it's the all-father pinning himself to

02:44:18.220 the world tree to win the runes spawn do you see a theft of that or how do you see

02:44:28.460 that's relation to the crucifixion so this is another thing that i'm talking about when i say

02:44:37.180 like the arian folk as christianity came in there was either things that they absolutely had to have

02:44:46.700 like the trinity or there were things that were not important to the semitic people or any other

02:44:56.380 people that were um adopting or or being forced to take on christianity um but there are things

02:45:04.700 that the arian folk of europe will immediately key in on so you know the the crucifixion

02:45:13.900 and being placed on a roman uh judicial device um uh and and the idea of the the

02:45:26.380 um you know jesus saying he's forsaken by his father and then he goes down into hell and and

02:45:33.720 so on and so forth i think that was really keyed in on as it was spreading through the germ the

02:45:42.040 germanic or or even just arian at large like the slavs the hellenics the germanics etc um i don't

02:45:51.820 think there was necessarily a theft. I think there was a hyper fixation upon it because there was

02:46:00.120 already a hyper fixation on its symbolic meaning. And so we see this in both tomato Europe and

02:46:11.240 potato Europe, as I like to joke. But in both pre-Christian religions, there are clear

02:46:19.720 connections to suspension. In the Hellenic world, suspension is generally held as a state of

02:46:30.240 limbo, purgatory. It's seen relatively negatively, or at least it's used that way.

02:46:38.100 There's the punishment of Tantalus, who is forced to be suspended above water, but below a tree.

02:46:47.200 And every time he tries to drink the water, he can't reach it. And every time he tries to eat the fruit, he can't eat it. And he's punished by the gods in the Greco-Roman stories. Same with Prometheus.

02:47:02.460 He is suspended somewhere between heaven and earth, and it is because of his relinquishing of knowledge to humanity.

02:47:12.060 um so suspension there does have functionality in the Germanic sense suspension is about in essence

02:47:25.800 slipping between two worlds uh to be going in between that which is substantial and that which

02:47:35.520 is um uh fixed so suspension had a functionality in a in a different way and i think both of these

02:47:44.160 are evolutions of the group the original arian concept but the fact that um the rabbi yeshua

02:47:54.800 of nazarene was crucified on a roman crucifix europeans have fixated that because another

02:48:04.560 perfect example is suspension generally is always associated with um the center the axis mundi we

02:48:13.680 see this with atlas um being uh underneath but representing the the um kind of the stability of

02:48:22.160 the lower um we see it with the ermine soul being the the axis mundi of the of the middle world um

02:48:32.400 and in this case there's no real referencing or understanding that can be squeezed out of the

02:48:40.400 bible in relation to jesus being that the crucifix is somehow symbolic to the axis mundi it is all

02:48:48.480 about the death it's all about the fact that pompous gave the pharisees a chance he said

02:48:57.200 said you want to kill this guy you've asked me three times to do it he's a Roman citizen

02:49:03.260 um how about conscious or yes sorry uh Pontius Pilate um he says you know uh okay I'll give

02:49:15.200 you I find no fault in him yeah he he says he's a Roman citizen there's no reason why you guys

02:49:21.500 want to kill him but he wants to give them a crazy dilemma you can choose this guy who's clearly

02:49:27.980 you know supposed to be on the cross by law or you can let that man go and kill that guy and when

02:49:36.240 they say yeah yeah we'll kill that guy that's why he's like no i wash my hands of this like

02:49:40.240 your your crazy religion is off the wall like you guys are bonkers um so it's really a focus about

02:49:49.220 death and i think that the crucifix itself is simply a state of historical

02:49:57.040 uh point now when you look at suspension and aryan religion it's much bigger and it has a lot more

02:50:07.260 um points and this kind of came to me when i was reading the grim fairy tales there's a

02:50:16.100 a story called the turnip and at the end of the story there's a man who hangs himself from a tree

02:50:22.180 in order to gain secret knowledge and that's when i kind of was like wow you know the arian concept

02:50:28.980 of suspension um is about attaining that between which is real and kind of utilizing

02:50:40.580 the the ethereal middle um and what that means and there's lots of theories as to why

02:50:48.260 um most people will harken back to um shamanism and i meant to say that too with uh with slepner

02:50:57.860 there is the the eight legs being associated with drumming perhaps a an eight a form of eight beats

02:51:08.020 or something like that um as yggdrasil is also you know the the horse of odin or the gallows of odin

02:51:18.740 and there is clearly connections with old world stone age um techniques that are unbroken and

02:51:26.420 passed down into the bronze age and then into the stone i mean into the iron age so i'm not arguing

02:51:32.340 that there isn't. But the idea of suspension to the Aryan folk was so prevalent in the blood that

02:51:42.300 when Christianity came in, they applied the value and the meaning to it, even though I do not

02:51:49.040 believe there was any value or meaning to it before Saul and Simon came into Europe. And again,

02:51:58.720 And that's the same way with the with the Trinity, the Holy Ghost and the idea of the Trinity was not a thing until it was in Europe.

02:52:06.840 And then it became a warring factor.

02:52:10.600 And any time you hear anyone argue that it's always been a part of it, it's because they're they're stouting.

02:52:17.700 Sorry, they're spouting arguments of the pro Trinity side that go far back.

02:52:25.180 But it wasn't. There was very much a biphetic nature between Yahweh and the children of Yahweh, the chosen of Yahweh, the Udahites or what have you.

02:52:41.380 It was very much up and up and there was no middle. It was just up and down.

02:52:47.220 And then eventually the lower comes into formulation in the religion. And then there's significance when it hits Europe that greatly changes Christianity.

02:53:00.520 So it was philosophy that changed Christianity and made it more European. And of course, it was simply the deepest and most strong currents of Arian faith that also notably changed.

02:53:16.840 So I think that's where people find that significance. And I think it's also very easy for our folk after they say they don't know any of the stories of the gods and then they are Christian and then they hear the story of Lord Odin and they immediately start making those connections.

02:53:36.560 but one is so much more viscerally, you feel it.

02:53:42.320 It's not so much about the death or the sacrifice or, you know, in that sense.

02:53:49.160 And I'll end with this much because I'm yammering.

02:53:53.260 There are, I've encountered Christians who said,

02:53:56.680 oh, you know, my God hung from the crucifix to save humanity.

02:54:05.060 But bear in mind, let's, you know, if you read the Bible, you know who Jesus is really.

02:54:10.640 He's the shepherd of the sons and daughters of Israel.

02:54:16.100 But Lord Odin, you know, was selfish and was hanging himself on the tree for his own devices.

02:54:24.280 And that's not true at all.

02:54:27.840 Lord Odin was hanging himself on the tree in order to, like he's doing the eye in the well.

02:54:35.060 and everything else is to learn and stave off the end and to be able to find the very foundational

02:54:45.620 chords vibrational uh structure substructure of of all creation is why he did it was to

02:54:55.460 to go even further and deeper in in order to arm himself so that placing off ragnarok so

02:55:03.860 So the search of knowledge is true, but it's also worth noting that there is, again, a sacrifice or a sense of loss to gain something else.

02:55:17.220 But that's my take on it, is that the Aryan mythos has suspension in very high regards, and that when the crucifixion comes into European sphere, it is absolutely zoned in on, for good reason.

02:55:35.260 i appreciate that you keep it super jewy when you're talking about bible stuff

02:55:47.780 and i'm not i'm not joking like rabbi yeshua and yeshua and saul and simon you're not going

02:55:57.060 to call them paul and peter you're going to call them yeah you're going to call gene simmons by

02:56:02.940 Like whatever Levy version it really is.

02:56:09.840 So I joke, it's funny, but it also paints things in contrasting colors to make them clear.

02:56:21.300 um when you make hebrew greek it sounds more pleasing to an arian ear when you keep hebrew

02:56:33.240 hebrew then it is very semitic and very foreign and it should be it is foreign

02:56:40.080 um so

02:56:44.400 to the question no I don't think that the story of the crucifixion is a theft of Odin's sacrifice

02:56:58.980 on the world tree i think christianity

02:57:06.340 um borrowed from lots and lots and lots of things

02:57:13.940 and i think that you rightly see something our ancestors probably saw as a similarity

02:57:21.060 there is a really sim sometimes

02:57:24.260 there's only so many variants the world throws at us we're going to see similarity where it's

02:57:34.660 directly a homage to or a theft from we're also just going to notice things that are similar

02:57:44.260 and sometimes similar stuff happens

02:57:48.420 what i do want to say here and again i can't say there's no

02:57:51.220 no relation between a variety of different things

02:57:55.240 all right magi came from persia to go visit the newborn jesus the persians are arian people

02:58:08.180 in the way back they harken back to this ancient ur myth certainly when odin sacrificed himself on

02:58:15.040 world tree to win the runes it was before our ancient ancestors migrated into persia and into

02:58:21.760 europe so possibly it is an ancient mythos of our folk transmitted by magi to ancient jews in the

02:58:30.720 levant to do i can't say that's not possible but i don't think it's likely i think it's sometimes

02:58:38.400 just coincidence but what i would like to say is one of the things about our faith that is

02:58:48.320 a hindrance to mass sexiness appeal but is nonetheless true and appealing to adult arians

02:59:00.240 you can hold two different ideas simultaneously that don't conflict but are run parallel

02:59:09.200 noticing similarity and parallel in world religions noticing themes that are ubiquitous

02:59:17.360 across the board doesn't negate individuality when you relate to people

02:59:27.840 that you want to actually build relationship with you move beyond stereotype

02:59:33.520 your friend circle is not the village people

02:59:39.860 minus the hiv um but it's not like the construction worker the the butch biker dude the engine chief

02:59:52.040 you relate to people as individuals and when we do that with the gods or with our myths we do

03:00:00.880 them a disservice that as a first glance we use stare and i don't stereotype is fine that is a

03:00:09.600 evolved form of us recognizing things in our world around us that's absolutely a good thing

03:00:17.000 not faulting that but that's not how you build actual relationships you build relationships

03:00:26.000 by getting to know who someone is

03:00:29.440 and not just their outward stuff.

03:00:35.660 Each of us are individuals and have

03:00:38.060 individual personalities that transcend stereotypes.

03:00:45.760 We don't all represent a function.

03:00:49.160 We have hobbies and things and likes and dislikes

03:00:53.140 and interests and family relationships.

03:00:55.280 And it's worth viewing our gods as individuals and not as archetypical exemplars of one thing and one thing only.

03:01:09.800 That's great for children and it's great for brand new people.

03:01:15.220 But when you've been practicing Ausatru for decades, I'm hopeful that you develop a deeper relationship with our gods than that.

03:01:25.280 And I think that that's what we should strive for.

03:01:31.720 Treating our gods as individual persons with consciousness really matters.

03:01:40.600 And I don't think I can overemphasize that enough.

03:01:43.140 It really matters.

03:01:45.260 treating them as scholastic concepts relating to the ancient hangman myth of the

03:01:55.260 shaman

03:01:58.380 that's cool to write a commencing college paper on but it doesn't build a relationship with yalfa

03:02:08.060 there are a lot of

03:02:14.460 When we deal with modern celebrity, there are people that make quite a good living following Taylor Swift around, taking pictures of her doing any normal function in life.

03:02:34.040 Look, here's Taylor Swift eating a Twinkie. Look, I've seen her. She went into the store.

03:02:39.080 There's really adept stalkers in the paparazzi, but those people don't know her the way that

03:02:47.860 people who grew up with her do, or her family does, or normal people that have had real

03:02:54.440 relationship do they've created a fake image that she projects and not the person that she is and

03:03:05.360 substitute any celebrity you want i just picked a random thing you can be a stalker of the gods

03:03:12.380 and know a lot of academic theories that relate to them it's not the same as knowing them and

03:03:20.220 relating to them and sharing your soul with them and bearing parts of yourself that are intimate to

03:03:30.860 tell them you know your thoughts and your fears and who you are and relating to them as a person

03:03:37.580 um there's people that watch this at a distance that may not ever get to know him or whatever

03:03:45.520 that oh spawns the lore guy he is the painter of murals lo the archetypical artist and lore master

03:03:55.960 is spawn that's fine and it's better than nothing but it's not the same as being his friend and

03:04:04.420 talking to him about his kids and talking to him about you know problems and silly fun things that

03:04:11.400 make our character.

03:04:14.840 I enjoy it.

03:04:16.840 Yeah, always remember that our gods are more than that.

03:04:21.440 That is an entry level to get a basic idea of some things that describe them.

03:04:28.900 But seek that which is deeper when you're seeking our gods.

03:04:33.380 I only have a couple questions left.

03:04:35.720 I'm going to throw this one out to Svon.

03:04:37.780 I'm going to take a break for a second to go say goodnight to my daughter, and I will be right back.

03:04:46.020 How much room does the AFA allow for people to have their own interpretations, ideas, beliefs, etc.?

03:04:56.520 And what are some hardline, nope, you have to believe this, go.

03:05:02.480 well i think the better way to look at that is we are a center point and that people come into

03:05:15.200 the outstreet folk assembly from all over the spectrum of of uh belief and uh things like that

03:05:24.640 we have had members who come in and they look at the gods archetypal and then they grow

03:05:32.160 to see the gods as they are and have a relationship with them um some folk come in uh having

03:05:43.200 where they prefer at home to honor the gods in like gaulish name or or what have you

03:05:52.000 And so what we're basically saying is when you come to the AFA and you say you go to Hoff and you go to national events, it is understood this is the common law, if you will, of the way things are going.

03:06:12.680 If you are at home and you take a particular precept or you introduce conceptualization of like Hinduism or, you know, you have a Slavic lean towards things, that's fine.

03:06:33.520 but it is so important for our people all the different branches to bundle together and wrap

03:06:40.160 themselves under one banner and people cannot get their heads out of that so oftentimes and it's

03:06:48.160 really sad i see it happen all the time um you know i honor the gods in the irish name and i

03:06:55.440 understand this is germanic um and and we say well pan germanic we believe that the gods of the irish

03:07:03.120 and and the greco hellenic and the slavs and the germanic norse these are all these are the arian

03:07:11.040 gods they're expressed in their own cultural views but you live in the united states you

03:07:17.040 speak a germanic language um and that was the last jumping point the peninsula is the norse

03:07:23.680 so when we're together that's what we use and we use it really to not confuse our children

03:07:30.000 and keep consistency and things moving forward it's not simply because we're nordicists um

03:07:38.160 so they'll come in and they'll do that but then they want to implement these things and the

03:07:47.680 the church is the afa is the church of the ice here it's not changing we're going in our in

03:07:54.480 our direction it we are evolving on our own but not just because one guy wants to call lord odin

03:08:02.560 you know voton and gets upset because not nobody else is calling him voton um no and and and you

03:08:12.720 know again we would explain no our founder refers to lord oh then as voton and there could be woe

03:08:19.840 done and and so on it's all the it's like the semantics start to get people to spiral into

03:08:30.080 uh brittleness and it's terrible it sucks um but like hard nose i i would definitely say

03:08:42.000 the honoring of loki this could be another perfect example oh well i practiced uh the

03:08:53.200 german gesellschaft the the faith of the uh icier in a german form and since

03:09:01.520 loki is not in any written fact of the central european he's strictly a nordic model and so

03:09:09.200 he's irrelevant and he start it it starts piecing um and pulling itself and i will not use the

03:09:18.320 younger food i'll use the anglo-phrygian fruit art because i'm anglo-saxon it starts to get

03:09:25.360 so ridiculous again it's fracturing it's just all of these little pieces getting pulled apart

03:09:33.040 when what we're trying to say is pull together join and be strong and so we are

03:09:45.120 pushing for that with the semblance of when we get together you understand the the individuality

03:09:53.120 that you have at your home the individuality you may have at a principality is fine but we

03:09:58.320 are common together here so that way we have that connection and it doesn't drive us so far apart

03:10:08.800 no one is going to come to your house because you make a connection between lord thor and indra

03:10:16.160 no one's going to come to your house and like kick over your indra uh godstead um

03:10:22.080 Um, you know, actually we, we speak about that often about the Pan-Arianism and all of those things.

03:10:29.960 Um, so I'm kind of beating a dead horse, but I appreciate that though, because my daughter,

03:10:36.860 uh, needed way more attention than, uh, was warranted.

03:10:42.300 Oh, I'm glad to see too.

03:10:43.240 And I didn't even see you come back.

03:10:44.660 So now that, you know, I just the big hard liners, of course, is that accepting that there are tenets in our faith that our ancestors and albeit to the gods did not come down and decree, you know, and hand a rune stick to someone and say no gays or something like that.

03:11:09.540 there's there's a sense of uh just as easily as the universalist have opened up our religion and

03:11:18.060 made it accessible to everyone in the world we have the ability to also say no our ancestors

03:11:25.540 would have protected their their things they would have insulated themselves from the issues that

03:11:30.780 eventually uh greatly hurt them if they were able to soon enough so these adaptations or uh there

03:11:40.540 you know there's universalists that think the gods care about political stuff and it's like yeah uh

03:11:47.180 well our ancestors are monarchists uh technically um or might makes right i mean if you want to go

03:11:55.820 down that road. But the reality of it is, is that the gods are concerned with us governing

03:12:04.380 ourselves. That's why Lord Forseti is such a prominent god of governance and making ourselves

03:12:12.040 not animals and not living in anarchy. So the only hard lines I would say is probably,

03:12:23.040 obviously no worship of chaos no worship of entity of chaos uh and i mean that not as all

03:12:31.900 yotans because we've clearly talked about lore not all yotans are are chaos i've tried to emphasize

03:12:38.280 yotan really means ancient um but there are yotans of chaos and so i'm really speaking of like

03:12:47.640 loki worship and then jotun worship especially when you look at the gods as enemy and i've seen

03:12:55.240 that and people call themselves ausatru and yet they they're kind of villainizing the gods and

03:13:03.480 that's because they're so inundated with modernity where the underdog and the um the

03:13:11.400 the outsider is actually the good guy and the big strong jock is the bad guy that stuff is just an

03:13:20.400 after effect of a lot of that so they can't call themselves out of true if you're out of true

03:13:25.440 you're loyal to the ice here loyal loyal to the gods you do not facilitate worship or give credence

03:13:33.940 to uh loki or any entity that seeks to tear down the gods and tear down order in the center and

03:13:44.820 i mean really that's it i'd love to poetically give you a third because threes are so significant

03:13:49.700 but right now just off the top of my head that's the first two i would say all right so

03:13:56.100 So, I don't like Svan limiting our inquisitors and their ability to copy your heretical altars.

03:14:10.340 I noticed you have a modern interpretation of Lord Thor on your altar.

03:14:17.780 This does not match the true look, Maul.

03:14:20.780 um all right so in truth

03:14:27.400 a couple of things we suffer today from a hyper individualism

03:14:37.340 just as much as

03:14:42.740 all right so there is a tendency to either we are a dogmatic faith where every single

03:14:50.980 item of anything is quantified weighed and measured and you must think this way or else

03:14:58.560 damnation awaits you or the other option is everybody can just do whatever they want and

03:15:05.460 And it's all just licensed to just run wild.

03:15:10.740 Our faith doesn't do that.

03:15:15.400 Our faith treats adults like adults.

03:15:19.120 and it is our obligation as Aryan or noble people to use wisdom discernment and

03:15:30.560 status to help define who we are what we do and how we do it

03:15:37.900 so i think this really does matter first read the true log model and you need to believe those

03:15:50.420 things at least in their broadest understandings those things are true we believe they are true

03:15:58.320 and they are our fundamentals and they're deeper than the one or two things or three things that's

03:16:03.280 fun. And I might say they're really core beliefs of what else are true is. So everyone should read

03:16:09.760 that. And Nick, note to self, note to us, we need to make that more prominent. That needs to be a

03:16:15.120 very obvious thing on the website and all the places. I don't know the way to get everyone to

03:16:21.040 read it. It's one of those checkboxes you got to read to join. But it's like when you sign up for

03:16:27.100 a phone plan. Everybody clicks agree without reading the thing. I get it. But it's a little

03:16:33.440 bit more important. I think it's more interesting. And it's not long or tedious. But it is essential.

03:16:42.080 So other things, in order to be also true first, and a lot of these things are going to sound

03:16:51.680 stupid to some people but i wouldn't say them if they didn't need to be said

03:16:59.920 you have to genuinely believe in the gods as gods

03:17:07.120 you can't be also true you can't be loyal to gods that you don't believe exist now when i say that

03:17:17.360 you can't posit to us as a truth that they do not exist i should say this you can join

03:17:26.640 if you want them to exist and you want to build a faith with them absolutely

03:17:36.560 but you don't get to tell us for a certainty that they don't and that there's some kind of

03:17:42.960 archetype or whatever you think the case is no we're loyal to real gods that are gods

03:17:53.440 that have divinity that exist that are individuated with person personality consciousness

03:18:02.640 and agency we believe those things to be true and we are loyal to those gods

03:18:07.920 loyalty to those gods means opposition to their enemies we are choosing the part of order versus

03:18:18.720 the part of chaos you can't be loyal to the isir and also carry on friendship with

03:18:27.360 with the forces that are their avowed foes with loki with the yotnar as in its broad sense

03:18:38.280 with forces of chaos like for example you can't be christian and also true it doesn't work that way

03:18:47.400 right and really in particular because christianity condemns also true and has made enmity with it

03:18:57.360 So, exclusivity to being Ausatru, understanding that our gods are real and exist,

03:19:07.240 understanding that there is a racial component to Ausatru, that these are our gods,

03:19:13.260 and that other people have their own gods, and the different races of people are not us,

03:19:17.620 and that we are us, is a fundamental.

03:19:20.220 and also there's some hard line things and these are the things that I say because they

03:19:30.380 prevent your membership in the Astro Folk Symbol

03:19:32.520 being a

03:19:38.940 so Svan did such a good job of like keeping the Hebrew things Hebrew

03:19:53.320 it shames me into not using the term sodomite even though I want to

03:19:58.040 because it's my preferred term for the male homosexual

03:20:02.960 and i think that's that i think that's a greek word just like the word senegal

03:20:07.680 no but sodom is a town and it's named after the town so the town exists in the middle east

03:20:15.760 so while some while spawn researches sodomy i'm gonna say you uh can't and i'm okay so joking

03:20:24.720 aside we don't want to be the bedroom police and we don't want to be puritanical

03:20:33.840 but we do drive very hard line at male homosexuals that is unacceptable behavior

03:20:42.320 it's an unacceptable mental illness and it represents a level of transgression that you can't

03:20:50.960 uncross and this isn't to someone who's been victimized if somebody has done things to you

03:20:58.080 against your will that's very unfortunate and we're sympathetic to that that's not what i'm

03:21:03.520 referring to if you have knowingly engaged in that sexual transgression something is broken

03:21:13.120 mentally that makes you a danger to our children we can't have that around it can't have that

03:21:20.960 um, amongst us. And the same goes for, and I'm not, I, despite my, my joking a second ago,

03:21:32.000 I'm trying to be really serious here. It also goes with, and I hate that I would have to say

03:21:39.240 these things but i do it goes with child molesters or bestiality or necrophilia or any

03:21:50.920 shocking transgression of those things because once that's broken in someone's head it's not

03:21:59.320 the kind of thing that gets unbroken it's a permanent state of dangerous unhealth

03:22:09.240 that victimizes others, and we can't have that.

03:22:13.160 And I think it extends to cruelty.

03:22:15.980 So when we evaluate membership, we also, you know,

03:22:19.880 we look at criminal history, but there's a lot of things that,

03:22:23.300 you know, under context, there's understanding,

03:22:26.540 or people make bad choices, or sometimes people choose to,

03:22:30.800 you know, be villainous in certain ways for a variety of reasons,

03:22:33.980 for money or for a number of other things.

03:22:36.540 but when you have decided that it's okay for you to treat weaker things with cruelty

03:22:48.500 it also represents a mental defect that isn't acceptable to have around the folk cruelty to

03:22:56.800 animals cruelty to elders cruelty to children cruelty to women things that are wantonly cruel

03:23:04.680 we don't accept either it's anti-Aryan in an extreme way

03:23:11.240 um so those are the really hard line things like you have to actually believe in the gods

03:23:19.640 you have to actually be loyal to them and the other thing as far as doctrine goes that we need

03:23:29.280 and it is what it is i understand how it sounds coming from me

03:23:36.560 but it do we take our spiritual guidance from those in authority from those who've been ordained

03:23:47.680 from our gothar from our elders and from the spiritual authority invested in me as i was here

03:23:57.120 you need to trust the spiritual authority the austral folk assembly and part of being loyal

03:24:06.480 to the iser is being loyal to those that follow in that chain of command

03:24:14.560 and i get it and you can tell i feel uncomfortable saying that that's the world that we live in

03:24:22.000 it's uncomfortable for me to get here and say well everybody's got to listen to me

03:24:26.160 and that's one of our rules is you got to do what i tell you but on a fundamental spiritual level

03:24:32.080 you do need to trust in the guidance that i try to do it's not always going to be perfect

03:24:40.320 it is always going to be well intended and um earnest but yeah respecting the authority

03:24:51.840 of our church and how it's structured matters deviation from that creates schism and separation

03:25:01.280 between our folk and our gods it weakens us as a folk and it weakens us as a community and it

03:25:09.440 erodes the spiritual bonds that we have so you know i'm not doing everything perfect i'm doing

03:25:16.320 it to the best that i know how to and i'm doing it well intentioned but you know i'll tell you

03:25:21.760 Goethe number three hopefully can improve upon the very best that I can do, and I hope

03:25:29.000 that there is a process of improvement with each subsequent Alzheimer Goethe into our

03:25:34.700 future, but trusting in that lineage and that hierarchy is really important, and it is

03:25:50.800 what it is, but I do think that's a fundamental to our faith.

03:25:55.780 It is Greek. It's Sodoma Itas. Itas means resident of. And Sodom, of course, is referring to...

03:26:08.060 All right. So Svon, what is the Hebrew version? What is folks that live in Sodom in Hebrew?

03:26:16.920 Well, because remember, it was the functioning of sharing the sins of those of Sodom.

03:26:24.940 So I guess the idea would be to look up what is the, not Hebrew, but, oh my goodness, it just left me, Aramaic word for that would probably be.

03:26:45.960 i don't know it predates that it's in the it's in it's in genesis so yeah i mean

03:26:53.640 because again is hebrew the the language of hebrew today we will leave that

03:27:01.080 and those discussions to uh the folks with the tiny hats um as far as house true goes

03:27:10.840 videos our next question is ever heard of Simon Tomlin who goes under the name the daily agenda

03:27:22.000 on YouTube he's based in the UK claims to be an Odinist but was bad-mouthing the AFA on a recent

03:27:29.500 video and calling me a fraud who is in who's in it for the money uh and just wanted to know if

03:27:38.740 was ever involved in the AFA in some way. Svon, do you know this gentleman? I do not,

03:27:44.880 but he clearly does not know. I use the term gentleman extremely loosely in this case.

03:27:50.780 He clearly does not know your financial life and how you live with the allowance that you

03:28:00.980 give yourself from the church and it's criminally low um and uh no i've never heard of this guy i

03:28:11.500 don't it's like you after meeting you and going to your home and seeing how you with uh the

03:28:19.860 inheritance from your mother and uh the the work that your wife does but then also finding out like

03:28:26.420 how little you actually kind of get from everything i was like wow but it the gods helped

03:28:34.020 and facilitated in different ways for you to have a a stable life for you and your family so i

03:28:41.420 totally get that and i i've often been joked as being the independently wealthy barber i mean

03:28:46.920 one article even said i bought uh thorshoff with my own money which was very you know fancy

03:28:54.460 why are you calling us fawn what what do you got going on that we don't know about i know

03:28:59.460 what's going on yeah so but no i've never heard um i've never heard of this guy i looked him up

03:29:09.720 when i saw the question so i have and i only heard about him like super recently

03:29:17.680 we had a uh I had a guy in the UK reach out to us to kind of put him on our radar

03:29:29.200 so according to I gotta look at the thing so I'm only aware of the daily agenda but according to

03:29:36.280 uh Simon Tomlin I am only in it for the money I am also a a fed

03:29:48.080 oh so am i in it for the afa like hoftaler residuals or from my like government paycheck

03:29:58.560 from y'all's taxes one of the two perhaps both maybe i'm double dipping on that that

03:30:05.120 would be a smart way to do that um and then also i'm a coward because i

03:30:13.040 I refuse to fight Nick Fuentes.

03:30:17.900 What?

03:30:19.120 I am unaware that the homosexual Nick Fuentes has issued a challenge to fight me,

03:30:25.460 but I will gladly fight Nick Fuentes in any legally acceptable way.

03:30:32.700 I was unaware that was on the table.

03:30:34.900 I didn't know that he knows who I am.

03:30:37.740 I like Nick Juventus' – some of his content is funny,

03:30:42.300 but I definitely think he would snap that.

03:30:44.420 He has a stack of dimes for Nick.

03:30:46.720 He's real floppy.

03:30:48.620 He's like that thing outside of the car dealerships

03:30:52.060 that, like, flops all over the place.

03:30:55.780 I don't –

03:30:58.660 Look what he did.

03:31:00.680 Look what this guy did.

03:31:01.700 He basically stirs up the whole you're a glowy and that –

03:31:07.620 then he causes derision within so anybody's suspect it's this guy yeah mr tomlin looked

03:31:16.740 pretty sus over there in the uk honestly i don't know i've never heard of this guy other than

03:31:22.180 again when that email and i think the email came to us within the last week of him having something

03:31:29.360 to say but the thing is i've never talked to him all jokes aside i have no idea where he gets his

03:31:36.440 information or his inferences or whatever um we have this really silly crab in the bucket thing

03:31:50.340 in our circles to where everybody anybody who's remotely successful at something

03:31:56.120 you've got to like pull them down or like ah it's clearly just a scam i ran into a guy on twitter

03:32:02.920 that said we were clearly a federal you know a cia op maybe an fbi op i don't

03:32:10.600 an alphabet op of some sort

03:32:13.240 and when asked like well what could they possibly do well no they have they've got

03:32:19.460 four hops or you know what the only reason the only way i would ever believe they weren't

03:32:23.620 feds is if they all got locked up

03:32:26.100 Well, under that paradigm, we can never possibly succeed at anything.

03:32:34.040 How sad is that?

03:32:35.760 Like, it's funny, but in a way, it's not.

03:32:42.440 Okay.

03:32:43.500 Serious question, though.

03:32:44.800 If we were feds, what does that matter?

03:32:47.920 What are we trying to accomplish?

03:32:51.640 We're a church not doing anything illegal.

03:32:54.520 We're controlled opposition, Nick. We're drawing energy away from the real struggle against Zog

03:33:02.760 with our federally funded Ausatru. No, all of it's silly. We've got so many people that are

03:33:12.420 so used to being losers that every time anybody wins, they can't believe it's true. It must be

03:33:18.860 it must be something fake and all right so there's a part of me that is angry at the loser culture

03:33:28.300 that we have but also part of me is really really sad um the leading cause of death in the

03:33:38.900 House True Folk Assembly is suicide by young males, mostly young males, who can't

03:33:51.400 navigate life and feel like there is no hope, feel like everything in the system is rigged,

03:34:01.080 and like they can't possibly succeed and that everyone who does succeed is somehow

03:34:09.640 tricking them through dishonesty or through something nefarious that's real and the plagues

03:34:16.600 are folk i'll laugh at the spergs who say stupid things but there's a lot of people that are stuck

03:34:24.380 there. And, and I want to mention this too. So I, this came to my knowledge within the last month,

03:34:33.440 certainly. Yeah, I'm safe the last month, maybe a month and a half.

03:34:41.840 We had a member a while back. Nobody does anything right. Everybody does everything wrong.

03:34:49.780 everything's a scam everything's too good to be true can't believe in anything everything's

03:34:55.300 this is all just a scam and then he quits and he continues down that course

03:35:03.220 and a year later i find out he took his own life

03:35:12.900 i get that trust is hard and i get that especially in

03:35:16.740 pro-white circles we've seen a lot of people turn out to be charlatans seen a lot of people be

03:35:28.440 dishonest we have a lot of people that have tried to make big sacrifices for people that turned out

03:35:35.780 not to be worthy of it i get that and there's a lot of truth to that i see what you see

03:35:44.080 I wish that wasn't the case. I can't go back and possess all these other people that have lied to you and make them be honest. I can't.

03:35:58.280 but for us to allow that to kill any hope for the future,

03:36:06.720 any hope for success, it's really silly.

03:36:13.020 A lot of things,

03:36:14.240 a lot of people can have a lot of reasons to not like me for a variety of

03:36:17.860 things. There are a litany of ways that I am,

03:36:21.920 I am not perfect or that I fall short or that I should be something better

03:36:27.240 than I am.

03:36:28.280 You know, I've got friends from the past that have legitimate grievances.

03:36:33.080 I've got exes that got legitimate grievances.

03:36:37.240 All those things.

03:36:38.600 But I'm as upfront and as honest with you guys as I know how to be about this and what we're doing.

03:36:59.840 And I don't claim perfection, but I do claim that I'm being honest.

03:37:04.860 there is something to be said for a lot of us just care enough to make this work

03:37:14.800 to begrudge the small successes that we have along the way

03:37:21.540 is to set our sights far too short we should be achieving great things every one of us

03:37:30.600 And we have to believe that those are achievable.

03:37:36.080 You lose every single game you don't participate in.

03:37:41.020 Every time you don't show up, you lose.

03:37:44.720 Our folk need to show up again.

03:37:47.220 And one of the most successful tools of the enemy is convincing a generation of our young men that there's no point in even trying because nothing can ever be successful.

03:37:57.520 The AF3 is a story of how a small handful of people who genuinely care and are willing to put themselves out there hard can achieve some really beautiful things.

03:38:13.500 We would love to achieve that with you guys and all together.

03:38:18.620 And we do.

03:38:20.560 And the more of you who join and come home to Ausatru, the better we are.

03:38:25.680 When our people fight over the 5% we may disagree on instead of the 95% we're all on the same team on, it keeps us useless.

03:38:39.000 Let's get on board.

03:38:40.400 If you think we're not doing it right, get on the team.

03:38:44.240 Help us do it better.

03:38:47.240 But at the end of the day, I can speak for Svon and myself and producer Nick.

03:38:52.920 We all want to do it right.

03:38:54.120 None of us are more committed to our own personal fetishism than we are to pleasing the Aesir and advancing our folk.

03:39:05.520 There's a better way to do it.

03:39:06.980 We're all for it and we're looking out for it.

03:39:09.600 But this petty, you know, we all need to be losers or else it's clearly we're feds or Jews or whatever other nonsense.

03:39:19.600 That's self-defeating and there's no winning on that.

03:39:23.640 i gotta have hope gotta have hope uh yeah i can't imagine people being so desolate of hope

03:39:31.240 that any success cannot be done by their people they'll tout that oh our people have built

03:39:38.040 civilizations but the moment they start to see success oh that's the enemy there's no way that

03:39:43.880 would like that is the most saddest and angry they like that infuriates me and especially because

03:39:52.680 As I came into the church in the 20 teens, and I was very observant of the state around me.

03:40:04.060 I was very reluctant to join an organization.

03:40:08.880 I had a personal relationship with the gods that at the time I felt could not be elevated.

03:40:15.880 I was wrong, but that's a learning thing, especially now that I've been in the church.

03:40:22.260 it's it's grown but i was paying attention to so much more and looking at things around me and i

03:40:30.420 know that people as i meet them you know i i know them uh and this organization level that we have

03:40:41.220 where we're all intimately related and or like intimately connected to each other and we know

03:40:47.380 about wife and kids and birthdays and so on and so forth and then for the success of all this hard

03:40:55.700 work to just be tallied off as i don't know like at least the uh the money from the cartel one was

03:41:05.780 pretty funny well i wish i just some of these people oh okay and fair enough in the comments

03:41:15.780 it said that i should say that nick fuentes is allegedly a homosexual um i will say this

03:41:23.460 fair enough and i apologize i don't know that nick fuentes actively engages in any

03:41:29.860 man-on-man sex acts i don't think he i do well i do recall and this is the best of my ability

03:41:37.620 apologize if i'm wrong that he mentioned some kind of tendencies and that his

03:41:46.100 faith prevented him from acting on them in some way or whatever i do find him to be incredibly

03:41:51.540 effeminate and uh that's the case but you know fair enough let's let's be honest and and keep it

03:41:59.300 keep it real i do not know that he is an active male homosexual um

03:42:07.620 he does strike me as very light and loafers uh I will say this too so on a couple of things on

03:42:17.280 that and I'm gonna answer this question first it's not next on the list but it's important

03:42:22.260 do you have any cops in the AFA

03:42:27.720 probably I'm trying to think I know a number of former law enforcement personnel that are in the

03:42:35.400 House True Folk Assembly. I mean, I would welcome honest police officers in the House True Folk

03:42:43.400 Assembly. I think it's an honorable profession. I think there's a lot of really good ones out there.

03:42:47.400 I think there's a lot of terrible ones out there. I think there's a mix. But sure, I will say this,

03:42:53.400 anybody who's doing anything, of course, is going to have a variety of people looking into stuff or

03:42:59.400 whatever i always joke when i get into you know anything controversial on phone calls like

03:43:05.560 hey feds in case you guys are listening and i say this and i mean this all right guys you know what

03:43:11.800 i said was funny you you know you chuckled too it's a thing hey if you're a heterosexual and

03:43:17.720 you're white you'd like to come home to your to your gods you should join the house true focus

03:43:22.600 simply not org i joke but one of these times somebody's gonna be tapping something and they

03:43:29.160 might just check it out um it's a thing just because you're in law enforcement doesn't make

03:43:36.920 you a bad person and you know i may have a very different reaction if we're actually up to

03:43:42.760 something nefarious we're not we're not so um that's a lot of other people's baggage it's not

03:43:50.680 mine. It's not ours. It's not what we're doing. We're not doing anything wrong. We're proud of

03:43:54.360 who we are, proud of what we believe in. You're welcome to join the Astro Folk Assembly if you

03:44:02.040 are in any of the branches of law enforcement. If I find out that you dishonestly infiltrate us,

03:44:10.680 then yeah, I'll throw you out. But if you're honest at the front door, if you want to come

03:44:14.360 through the front door then absolutely assuming that you meet our other criteria

03:44:21.640 i heard lithuanian was lithuania was the last land to fall to the christian slash to christian

03:44:30.360 slash judaism uh did they use the germanic language um sivan what do you know about

03:44:39.080 lithuanian yeah he's correct uh 100 the uh but there is a slight difference is that the baltic

03:44:48.120 lithuanian religion is more slavic rodinovary and we are germanic so what i should have said

03:44:56.520 i mean this was the peninsula the last jumping off point was the nordic lands for the germanic people

03:45:03.560 when you look at the lithuanian religion they have a tripartite just like we do and like all aryan

03:45:11.000 uh branches do but it is again perune velez and dieves instead of svalrog um and their iterations

03:45:22.120 and languages are a hybrid they do speak a uh probably one of the most interesting languages

03:45:30.520 that has uh deep connections to indo-european like still alive in it but um because that was

03:45:39.000 the movement of the orthodox church going up through there um a lot of it was synthesized

03:45:44.680 into their orthodoxy and um that's holy slavic the last germanic kind of stepping off point

03:45:54.600 was the the nordic people for the germanics so that's kind of what i was getting at you're not

03:46:00.860 wrong though um and it survived it's it's crazy to think about uh almost a hundred years after the

03:46:09.200 the text that we are reading were kind of finally compiled by snorty stutlason they were being

03:46:18.220 converted to Christianity. So, uh, like Iceland was the year 1000 and they were in the, uh, 13

03:46:26.220 mids when they were being, um, converted by the, uh, Orthodox church. But, uh,

03:46:36.760 yeah, they were like the, it would be like the slobs all gathered together and said,

03:46:42.580 you know what the lithuanians were the last of us to have what we used to have so let's use them as

03:46:50.900 a guiding light is the same way the germanics in relation to the to the norms so

03:47:05.140 sure all of those things

03:47:06.580 it is unfortunate because the uh teutonic knights have a really awesome aesthetic

03:47:16.020 oh yeah no it was the teutonic it's unfortunate that the the teutonic

03:47:22.660 ones to stomp out the last remnant of functional european paganism

03:47:29.300 because they're really cool looking i like a lot of things about the aesthetic

03:47:34.020 but yeah that was the situation and i i read a really good book on that a couple of years ago

03:47:39.640 that i found fascinating i didn't know a lot about that struggle until i read that

03:47:43.720 um well we did talk about pagan warrior culture of the germanic people and how it wasn't present

03:47:52.300 in christianity and became present when it got there and was utilized

03:47:57.000 levantine jews would not have formed military uh the military orders uh that's a evolution

03:48:10.120 of european paganism absolutely but what i also wanted to say is on the side trying to figure

03:48:16.040 out about those mystery three verses at the end that didn't get translated they did but

03:48:25.000 in the translation some stuff was skipped so they correspond to the three previous verses

03:48:33.000 the numbering between the original manuscript and what was translated is off and i don't know

03:48:41.000 where the gap is uh githya lauren anderson was looking at that for us trying to figure it out

03:48:47.960 the end corresponds okay there is some missing pieces in the body of the text that screw up the

03:49:02.180 numbering um so yeah this is a process and it's interesting but she did find that the last three

03:49:10.620 correspond with things just fine it's like the first five don't match up right so i want to

03:49:18.300 investigate this a little bit further and it's kind of you know as i mentioned at the beginning

03:49:23.020 the mystery of it of like what's missing where is really interesting i think it's a kind of a

03:49:28.220 i don't know fascinating point of interest that i'm sure spon and myself will will looking

03:49:33.820 we'll look into it a little bit oh yeah um so this next one i think is a

03:49:41.100 multi there's a lot to it and uh major hicks thank you for joining us tonight and being an active

03:49:47.420 part in asking the questions i'm glad that you're taking an interest in what we're doing that you've

03:49:53.340 been with us and i'm also glad that you're asking some questions that you know maybe new people

03:49:58.780 would have that we haven't hit in a while or that we don't obviously go to sometimes so i appreciate

03:50:06.380 your questions and i appreciate you joining us tonight afa is obviously great on encouraging

03:50:12.460 families and children thank you for that i was curious if there is a quote unquote

03:50:18.300 political strategy within it as well though

03:50:21.020 it's fun what's what say you on that uh i always generally speak of the well-being of the soul

03:50:33.580 uh everything else is downstream from that so if we are successful build families

03:50:41.580 build community return the folk back to their gods then our seeking governance and

03:50:49.020 and uh benefit from uh for our folk is just a natural progression because there's always the

03:50:58.540 political is never quite enough to an understanding so it steps out of the politics

03:51:06.220 and says this is a spiritual battle and then everything flows downstream and will hit a

03:51:12.140 political sense um and and i like to do that because i have been in the mire of politics

03:51:22.620 to the point where and the end philosophy so you go politics philosophy and then you realize no

03:51:29.420 it's the soul so you come to the gods and you join and build relationship and then everything starts

03:51:36.780 to retro fix itself so that's where i'm kind of at with that i don't i don't really focus on a

03:51:46.620 political stratagem what does that mean and this is not to be obtuse but

03:51:59.340 and major hicks i'm kind of picking up on some of your other comments on on maybe your background

03:52:04.940 where you're coming from and if i'm inaccurate it's certainly where a lot of people end up coming

03:52:10.700 to this from we get people that come into aussitrew from uh quote unquote the movement or various

03:52:23.580 white power things and

03:52:32.540 what i think too many of our people have decided to define politics as is

03:52:43.660 like going out and being radical in the street and often scaring people

03:52:53.580 I think that politics is much broader than that. And if we consider, you know, street activism as the only expression of politics, I think we miss a lot of, I don't know, the American experience when it comes to politics.

03:53:15.720 What I don't see when people talk about politics is folks running for office or campaigning for legislation that's going to benefit our folk in some way or, you know, actual political things.

03:53:32.380 It's people wearing the little skull mask stuff and yelling at people or dropping slogan related signs or literature.

03:53:45.640 And I don't. So I have attended some some rallies for free speech and various other things.

03:53:58.060 I did some of that when I was living closer to San Francisco.

03:54:05.300 I did a couple of things in Berkeley.

03:54:07.180 I went to, I don't, the Ausatru Folk Assembly doesn't focus on small-scale political activity

03:54:20.160 because we're a church and we focus on the bigger picture of values and the soul of our folk as a

03:54:31.980 whole we certainly advocate for positions that are helpful to our race and our people

03:54:38.220 that's a religious imperative of the austral folk assembly but politics as i've said a lot of the

03:54:45.740 time in terms of candidate or legislation is very situational politics that might be

03:54:55.820 advantageous to us in a different time in a different place might look really different

03:55:01.740 spawn mentioned a lot of our folk were monarchists at one point or in a different situation the

03:55:08.300 imperialists in a different situation um you know very democratic there's a lot of right ways to do

03:55:17.900 also true to advocate for the well-being of our race and our people i don't think that is a

03:55:24.700 fundamental political issue i think that is a human rights social um imperative of all people

03:55:37.180 and it directly has a correlation to our faith what i do think is is relevant and how's true

03:55:43.500 we encourage all of our members in the afa to be politically active engage in politics

03:55:50.940 it doesn't have to be scary street things it can be being you know voting or poll working or

03:56:00.940 um holding office or doing things that you think are gonna be the right things to make

03:56:07.580 the world that you live in a better place we would encourage all of our people to be active

03:56:14.620 in making their world better and more aligned with their values i think we want everybody to

03:56:22.060 do that no the afa is not a political activist group we are a church but that certainly has

03:56:30.220 implications that relate to life and politics reflects that so yeah the afa isn't actively

03:56:39.660 engaged in politics in that way as that's not our role as a church but we are always engaged in

03:56:47.660 trying to facilitate the advancement of our folk and the best interest of our people

03:56:53.420 and we're very committed to that we have a lot of members that are very politically active in a

03:56:58.780 variety of ways and you know as long as that falls within the bounds of legality we're very much in

03:57:04.940 support of that um but again when people i think the term politics and you put it in quotation

03:57:13.340 marks so i'm not taking any issue a lot of people conceive of that in very very different ways

03:57:21.420 i think we have people that are used to street activism that see that as the expression of

03:57:27.340 politics we've had a number of members that actively work in a candidate's office or that

03:57:36.860 work at polling places or work for the their local republican party i don't i think that's

03:57:43.820 more overtly political but is often less of a concern or a question to people so i think you

03:57:50.620 can conceive in politics in a variety of different ways but as long as it's you know legally

03:57:57.020 appropriate the house true folk assembly encourages all of our members to be very

03:58:01.020 active in their world around them and making the world a better place and that includes political

03:58:14.380 i don't

03:58:19.020 ignore the three that's a typo it's just the word is

03:58:23.260 oh okay i was gonna say 31s i was curious where we were at all right is whitikind going to be

03:58:31.900 added to the list of afa heroes like uh the addition of lesser known figures like a faneric

03:58:39.020 and yarl hawken no because we've had this discussion you and i know because

03:58:47.820 okay yes and we have swan and i have talked about this

03:58:52.380 no because how you end the game matters one of the most fundamentals to me when i look at heroes

03:59:00.140 you've got to end your life loyal to the icier

03:59:04.620 what he can did as far as any historical research i'm able to do

03:59:11.580 no he ended baptized and submitting to christianity he spent large part of his life struggling

03:59:18.380 for our faith and our gods but at the end he gave up and um joined the other team how you end the

03:59:30.380 race tremendously matters and so i wish he didn't if you have some special historical knowledge

03:59:39.440 that refutes what i'm saying please tell me but i definitely believe that was written by

03:59:45.740 charlemagne propagandists to quell the rebellion but there's no proof of it here's the thing could

03:59:53.900 coulda woulda shoulda i don't know i do know the ones that we do celebrate we have no counter

04:00:00.940 information that said they did convert and a lot of information that says that they didn't

04:00:07.100 and so that's kind of what goes

04:00:09.700 into our decision

04:00:11.440 because

04:00:13.500 I really like most of his

04:00:15.960 life but he didn't end on the

04:00:17.920 right note

04:00:18.580 and like I said if you have

04:00:21.820 some details that we don't have

04:00:23.840 then cool let us know

04:00:25.760 because

04:00:26.680 there's a lot

04:00:29.380 that was very exciting

04:00:31.420 but again

04:00:33.600 it matters a lot how you end the race

04:00:36.140 a fumble near the finish line really affects all the stuff that precedes it

04:00:46.620 um have you heard of Savitri Devi and her books what is your opinion on white nationalist hindus

04:00:57.820 in general and do you consider it a legitimate Aryan religion that's only a couple of sentences

04:01:07.400 but there's a lot in that question and I appreciate you asking it um it's fine what

04:01:14.540 are your thoughts on these things are you first okay pause first are you familiar with

04:01:21.080 Savitri Debi. Yes. And her books. Some of them, not all of them. What is your opinion

04:01:31.200 on white nationalist Hindus in general? I think that it is, if you are a Germanic

04:01:41.360 or any european branch um hinduism has deviated so far away from the araya that brought it into

04:01:52.720 india and i believe this about the zarasters as well the zarastrian kind of branch um i think that

04:02:01.520 uh both of those have deviated so far away that it is not

04:02:09.840 um i mean i think that people are attracted to the substance because it's been

04:02:14.960 unmolested for uh thousands of years but you know there's a certain point where modern

04:02:23.520 hinduism is clearly not folkish and clearly not of the folk

04:02:30.640 And you have to kind of constantly always lean back

04:02:33.480 to the Bagada Vida and all of that stuff.

04:02:36.780 And there's clear connections there

04:02:38.360 because the Araya brought it in,

04:02:40.300 but I would still encourage those folk

04:02:45.080 to come home to Ausatru.

04:02:50.760 So.

04:03:00.640 Yes, I've heard of Sweet True Debbie, and I've read, I've read a number of her books.

04:03:13.700 There's, is it Gold in the Furnace?

04:03:18.460 I'm trying to think, it's been a long time, and Lightning in the Sun.

04:03:24.400 I've read a number of different books by her, and like I say, it's been a minute.

04:03:30.640 first I think very highly of her and I wish that I would have gotten an opportunity to meet her

04:03:46.440 in life um i think that

04:03:53.080 at a certain time in a certain place the knowledge of our authentic ancestral faith

04:04:05.680 was very very limited and i think not realizing it was an option

04:04:11.620 And a lot of our people who wanted to hearken to that found Hinduism as, like, the closest they could get.

04:04:30.180 And so they latched on to that.

04:04:32.540 And you see in the beginning and middle of last century, folks really look to the East for their spirituality in a lot of ways, because it wasn't an obvious thing that you could do.

04:04:53.080 And I say that. So when I found House of True, I didn't understand it was an option. I examined my options spiritually. And the only option that appeared to me as a young man was there's Christianity. I'm a white man in the United States. And 1999, when I graduated high school, what is there? There's Christianity. That's what you have.

04:05:17.180 not a muslim not a jew um can't really be a hindu because i'm not you know a dot indian so what do i

04:05:25.620 do a lot of people and luckily for me i was able to find the house true folk assembly

04:05:32.960 but in you know if that conversation if i was having that 60 years earlier

04:05:40.640 maybe what i would have found would have been hinduism and i get that so i don't fault that

04:05:49.080 as a place to start certainly i don't fault that historically for people um

04:05:54.900 again now 80 plus years ago

04:06:00.460 but i don't think that's our way forward i think while there was a vacuum

04:06:08.860 nature abhors a vacuum and our people have a tendency to fill the vacuum with something

04:06:18.280 and so rejecting abrahamism and finding the closest perceived quote-unquote legitimate faith

04:06:27.960 to our ancestral faith and trying to make sense of that makes a lot of sense and i don't fault

04:06:36.180 that i think that's a step in the right direction i don't think it is the complete step in the right

04:06:41.860 direction but i do think it makes sense um no i don't consider hinduism as a legitimarian religion

04:06:54.740 i don't think anyone can really deny that in its most ancient origins the dharmic

04:07:06.180 faith of the early hindus is based on an aryan faith certainly it is

04:07:14.620 but over the millennia it has been so intermixed and so very specialized to their

04:07:25.920 significantly browned dravidian population and admixture that i don't think it maintains

04:07:33.620 its original aryan roots in the same way i think there's certainly things that you can learn from

04:07:39.860 it or pick up from it that are valuable i think we always do ourselves a disservice to throw the

04:07:45.820 baby out of the bath water but no i don't think that hinduism is a valid faith for our folk who

04:07:53.440 want to legitimately return to their ancestral faith i think it might inform that practice and

04:08:01.440 probably has valuable things for us to learn, but no,

04:08:05.180 as a whole, I do not find it to be valid that way.

04:08:10.480 We've lost Fawn. I don't know where he went.

04:08:14.720 Got one more question left.

04:08:17.420 I would like him to be here for it. I will look

04:08:21.320 at the 13 comments that are unread

04:08:25.380 while I wait for him to return to us, and I hope that he does.

04:08:29.780 But I want to check and see where we're at on the other side.

04:08:42.820 Sea salt ties, indeed.

04:08:45.300 Yeah, I just read that comment.

04:08:47.000 I found it humorous.

04:08:48.580 There are no ties.

04:08:50.540 I just was accused of not wanting to fight the gentleman.

04:08:55.440 I didn't know that there was a challenge issued.

04:08:57.860 I didn't know he had any idea who I was, but I'm not afeard of that confrontation for certain.

04:09:07.640 Ah, Swan has returned to us.

04:09:09.960 Had to go to the rest room again.

04:09:11.980 Happy day.

04:09:13.100 All right.

04:09:27.860 All right. So last question. Question for you both. One of the concerns I have about joining

04:09:35.180 regards the concept of racial purity. There are special people in my life who are 99% European,

04:09:42.820 but the remaining 1% is Ashkenazi Jewish. Although they would not qualify as Jews,

04:09:49.900 would these people not be welcome in the organization if they were to see me join

04:09:55.840 and wish to join themselves.

04:10:05.040 All right, Svon, go ahead and take this, but like, yeah, go ahead, Svon, what do you got?

04:10:11.640 Oh, okay.

04:10:13.960 Well, you think about it in the sense that if you find a folk person who looks folk,

04:10:23.260 identifies as folk um and they have uh some great grandpappy who um you know got himself

04:10:35.980 traded a cherokee wife or you know or whatever um and so their offspring have

04:10:43.660 uh some of the the red man blood in them but that disappears that goes away down the line

04:10:56.920 and they want to join the house of true folk assembly

04:11:00.040 you know matter of fact i i'm pretty sure there are cases of it and we had

04:11:06.940 one instance where there was a gentleman who like brought it up um but worse so it was it was more in

04:11:15.560 the sense of like he was saying like my great great grandmother was a cherokee something and

04:11:21.500 she always said don't trust the white man and we were all like looking at him like but you're

04:11:27.360 and she was married for a sec nothing lost i don't care we're going to answer the question

04:11:34.460 regardless uh it's a valid question uh i understand we got people in the chat looking

04:11:40.220 out for trolls that might be the case i don't know it's a good enough question that other

04:11:44.140 people have and we're going to answer it regardless right rest assured carry on well and i'm just

04:11:48.460 giving that example is um you know there is some uh that this this member was in our sacred space

04:11:57.580 and he was apparently deep into his horn and was saying that you know his this red woman that

04:12:06.260 married into his white family was saying all of this and so on and so forth and he I mean we were

04:12:12.000 pretty upset that he would kind of go this route um and so I definitely think that was

04:12:21.300 um a grievance in his state but i thought about it if he hadn't said anything we would only

04:12:31.700 know him as the way he looked the way he acted um he's a folk man and he was trying to get into

04:12:40.600 contact with the gods of his people and build a relationship there and just because he had some

04:12:47.040 great great grandma who uh that he couldn't control that his uh there was some sort of

04:12:56.080 arrangement with this marriage with this woman that was a native american i like it would have

04:13:03.120 never been a deal i think that a huge part of this is understanding identity understanding who you

04:13:16.320 are where you come from how you identify um yeah it's that's such a kind of like the details the

04:13:27.440 percentages versus reality we can put on the spot in these things and i understand and

04:13:36.800 it is what it is we've got to be honest and just let the chips fall where they may

04:13:40.640 um purity spiral is bad we have this tendency amongst our people to purity spiral into oblivion

04:13:59.840 um everything has to be perfect and if it's not perfect then we reject it all out very soon

04:14:07.760 nothing is perfect except for me in grandma's basement with my pizza rolls and my you know

04:14:19.120 and that's what it ends up being and i i joke but not really there's a lot of people that

04:14:25.760 are perpetually trapped in grandma's basement with pizza rolls because life outside of grandma's

04:14:33.440 basement is not perfect. It's not whatever perfect thing in their mind they've decided

04:14:40.680 everything needs to be. They can't be all in unless it's perfect. That's cool when they're

04:14:47.780 18. 25, nope, can't be all in unless it's perfect. And then their 30s, 40s, find themselves

04:14:57.620 in their 70s and never got out of the basement. They inherited grandma's basement. Maybe they

04:15:02.260 probably inherited the upstairs too but they didn't do anything because it wasn't ever perfect

04:15:09.440 one of these days they're on the deathbed one of these days when perfect comes

04:15:17.140 perfect doesn't happen that's not real 99 and one sure you should join you should join right now

04:15:27.280 A lot of people are going to say, ah, clearly they let in the Jews.

04:15:33.080 Grow up.

04:15:35.000 I challenge everyone to be noble, to be Aryan, and to be an adult.

04:15:40.180 That's silly.

04:15:41.900 There's no one-drop rule.

04:15:45.280 There's us.

04:15:46.420 There's not us.

04:15:47.400 We all know what that is.

04:15:49.580 What we do run into is the people that don't want to accept that.

04:15:53.420 there are people that have an ingrained inferiority thing where they need to pretend

04:16:04.120 that there's something that they're not example elizabeth warren she's not an engine she's just

04:16:12.280 not but she's you know what in her 70s and she is gonna go to her grave claiming that she is a

04:16:21.420 cherokee princess there is like no detectable engine in her dna but that's clearly what she is

04:16:31.180 not the 90 something percent obvious english or german that she is

04:16:38.260 no she's holding on to this maybe one percent maybe a 0.5 percent maybe zero percent but no

04:16:47.420 She is a Cherokee princess. That is a mental illness that destabilizes our folk. So we would not let Elizabeth Warren join until Elizabeth Warren came to grips and reconciliation with the fact that she is a white woman.

04:17:04.380 realistically spawn mentions i don't know if this is the same scenario we had a guy at sumble one

04:17:12.440 time i said hey guys you know what so we're doing our ancestors round make sure your ancestor looks

04:17:18.400 like the rest of us haha we're not getting out the skull calipers but make sure the ancestor you

04:17:24.400 raise a horn to looks like everybody else haha t he isn't that funny no seriously i say it because

04:17:30.720 people need to know yeah it was the same situation 30 minutes later on raises horn to my great

04:17:38.240 grandma sacajawea because she was persecuted because she was cherokee and she was in white

04:17:45.200 society and cherokee people and cherokee pride they the killed our but what are you doing what

04:17:57.840 are you doing we immediately ejected that guy from the austral folk assembly because what the hell

04:18:05.040 are you doing so that's the thing don't make it a problem but we're not trying to do this one percent

04:18:15.200 thing we're not going to do the purity spiral we're not going to play let's try to root out these

04:18:22.160 things that is toxic and not what we do it is very obvious to all of us who a white person is and who

04:18:34.240 it's not white people can join the afa if you're not white you can't if you're if you look like

04:18:45.860 dolph lundgren but you want to tell me about how you're black or whatever your nonsense

04:18:55.060 is that's not even a racial issue that is a mental health issue but it is that destabilizes our folk

04:19:03.620 and we don't want around us but no if your people will join that are 99 white and there's one

04:19:11.620 percent ashken nobody cares about that but if they join up and say hey let me just tell you up front

04:19:19.860 that i am from the tribe of judah and i'm this and then no we're not gonna let you in right

04:19:27.860 but there's white people and there's not and we don't do some kind of genetic testing to rule

04:19:32.980 out one percent or whatever that's silly it's silly i was gonna say when me and my wife uh

04:19:42.420 were newly married it was kind of a fun thing to do the genetic test and i was speculative of it

04:19:48.980 but because iceland is very it's an insular um thing by way of norway that's all we're getting

04:19:57.060 there's nothing else really going on there um i i did it and i actually had a friend

04:20:04.580 who worked for 23andme and she was saying five percent and below is actually not even confirmed

04:20:12.500 it's comparative they don't have the material um the they just compare and they get pretty wild

04:20:21.220 because they don't take into account colonizations and migrations etc etc so um they uh

04:20:32.100 they got a little while but my test came out it was exactly like to the t

04:20:40.260 um everything and still underneath the five percent had some like wild stuff like iberian

04:20:46.900 peninsula i was like what but ridiculous yeah so no the pure we reject the purity spiral it's

04:20:56.340 obnoxious it's the reason that our people can't make friends it's traps you in a pizza roll

04:21:07.220 old basement floral couch existence that we do not want to uh to stay under the thumb of

04:21:16.280 reject the purity spiral you can tell ours or not ours and that's as far as we try to take it

04:21:24.140 uh so what about a half finish half french

04:21:31.160 all right so svan is is caught in a uh his camera is frozen that's why he did not respond humorously

04:21:42.800 when i made my my most recent pizza roll analogy uh we'll wait till he returns a little bit but

04:21:49.160 again there are completely caucasian fins

04:21:54.580 and there are fins that are

04:21:59.100 not completely that way

04:22:03.280 the Finnish nationality is one that is a little bit

04:22:09.620 there's a certain amount of diversity involved there depending on where you're at

04:22:17.360 and it's hard not being a native fin on being able to flesh that out but I'll say that

04:22:22.760 There are plenty of completely white Finns. A white person who is a Fin who marries a white French person, absolutely they can join.

04:22:35.180 An Asiatic person who happens to be in Finland that marries a sub-Saharan African person that happens to live in France, no, that person could not join.

04:22:47.800 So I think that difference really matters.

04:22:51.640 Again, Svahn is on hiatus.

04:22:54.400 He may have a low bladder capacity this evening.

04:23:00.360 We'll see.

04:23:02.340 Hopefully he joins us.

04:23:04.620 Maybe he won't.

04:23:05.900 We will see.

04:23:08.100 Matt Bean, hypothetical.

04:23:09.660 What if a Marxist or Christian nationalist takes power and bans the Austro in America?

04:23:16.120 Does the AFA go underground or migrate?

04:23:21.360 So it's an interesting question because I think it poses a couple of different things.

04:23:33.260 So the AFA isn't me.

04:23:37.220 It is hundreds of people.

04:23:40.280 So I think the most realistic answer to your question is yes.

04:23:46.120 there will be elements of the astro if someone were to take power who could ban the practice of

04:23:55.600 aussitrew large portions of the astro folk assembly would likely go underground some

04:24:06.100 members of the astro folk assembly would likely move to a country that we did have the freedom

04:24:12.580 to practice our faith that is a um interesting hypothetical it's one that is

04:24:25.620 interesting um uh meadow fine i think that's probably a really good analogy that you're

04:24:32.340 making um so anyways i was going to say it's probably uh it is an extreme dystopia because

04:24:41.300 religious freedom is one of our most core american values so it's not to say it couldn't happen

04:24:49.700 it could but i think at the point where religions were getting banned by the united states

04:24:57.060 government a lot of other x factors would occur because of such a fundamental

04:25:03.620 divergence from core american values

04:25:09.780 so if we were to suspend the free practice of religion

04:25:16.820 in america it would be so very unconstitutional that likely a whole bunch of other deviants

04:25:25.860 from the Constitution would happen, and there would be corresponding geopolitical shifts

04:25:34.040 and schisms and things. So I think a lot of things would have to go in place before that were to

04:25:41.480 happen. That's one of the things that's kind of unique about our country is our ability to

04:25:48.680 practice Ausatru is so deeply built into the core principles of our national existence,

04:25:58.060 the term enshrined in our constitution, that taking that away would have a lot of implications

04:26:07.900 that might change the nature of your question if it actually happened.

04:26:13.440 What would not happen is that the Ausatru Folk Assembly would cease to exist.

04:26:18.680 We would continue existing in whatever, whatever way needed to happen.

04:26:28.760 If that meant we had to migrate to a place it was legal to practice our faith, that's what we would do.

04:26:37.420 If it meant that we had to, you know, somehow underground practice it, that's what we would do.

04:26:43.400 But those of us who are loyal, who have sworn our troth to the Aesir, been ordained in their service, I promise you for myself, a million percent, no matter what, I would continue practicing and being your Arnold's Harrier Goofy, whatever that might look like.

04:27:05.100 We would have to make those choices when they came up.

04:27:09.160 But, you know, that's one thing that's non-negotiable, that, you know, there is nothing that can compel me not to continue actively in my faith until the day of my death and beyond.

04:27:35.100 All right. Well, I think that's all of our questions we have for this evening.

04:27:40.700 Thank everyone for joining us. Still trying to figure out exactly who we're going to have on

04:27:46.400 for next week on some scheduling stuff, but I look forward to seeing all of you. I guarantee

04:27:52.440 you one person or two people that will be here for you next week, producer Nick and myself.

04:27:58.440 I appreciate everyone who has been in the comments tonight. I appreciate those of you who have

04:28:03.820 donate it. I appreciate everybody who asks a question. I look forward to talking to you guys

04:28:09.200 next week. Until then, hail the God, or hail the Iseer, hail the folk, hail the AFA, and remember,

04:28:19.460 victory never sleeps.

04:28:33.820 Thank you.

04:29:03.820 Thank you.

04:29:33.820 Thank you.

04:30:03.820 Thank you.

Asatru Folk Assembly - September 04, 2025

9⧸3⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 165 - Brot af Sigurðarkviðu

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