Asatru Folk Assembly - 9⧸30⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 221 - Next Generation of AFA Leadership

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00:01:00.000 Thank you.

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00:03:00.000 Good evening and welcome to another episode of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:12.800 I'm Speckender, Trent East.

00:03:14.800 The 5th Wednesday of every month is kind of my deal here lately.

00:03:19.800 My son needs plenty of cars on the desk and have a good time trying to stay away before

00:03:26.520 his bedtime.

00:03:27.520 uh anyway thank you all for being here top of the show stuff please uh send in questions

00:03:35.760 so uh we can have them pile up from me and jordan

00:03:39.040 uh make sure to share the link to this episode and any other afa stuff on

00:03:45.360 youtube facebook instagram snapchat those kind of things

00:03:52.960 and uh yeah just you know something to keep in mind he always says uh the biggest reason

00:04:01.660 to have more people is because they don't know they exist so you can get the word out

00:04:05.740 you can get more people to bring more honor to the ice here so before we introduce our

00:04:15.720 guests I want to go over kind of the donations that have come in and explain

00:04:29.280 them a bit because it does bear some explain so first we have from Stephen in

00:04:36.840 Japan $15 thank you Stephen Jeffrey in Texas donated $20 thank you Jeffrey and

00:04:43.860 you're the jeffrey i'm thinking of you were supposed to shoot me a text at some point because

00:04:48.580 i hope you don't something please do that or i can just get your number but i'll remember either

00:04:54.980 if you text me so the other three donations and i'll cover who they're from here in a moment

00:05:01.460 went directly to the north soft restoration fund uh many of you have already heard what happened

00:05:08.500 but i'll go over it as briefly as i can without trying to sound too uh bitter towards the people

00:05:17.460 uh so we are at the hawk in person twice a month on work day and then for the pantry slash holy

00:05:27.860 tide between breakbacks in august and the september work day which would have been

00:05:35.940 three weeks ago, this upcoming weekend, at some point, Duke Energy had contracted a tree

00:05:44.340 firmers to come onto our property and trim a tree on the power lines. Besides leaving

00:05:51.720 huge obnoxious floods in our backyard area that we've seen, that's obnoxious, you can

00:05:58.320 deal with it. Besides that, they at some point snagged a power line and knocked it out, cutting

00:06:04.780 power to the hawk we had food in the fridge we had two whole pigs in our industrial freezer

00:06:15.340 i won't go into gory detail but you can surely imagine what two dead pigs sitting in the florida

00:06:23.660 heat for a week to do an industrial freezer building or carpeting floor so white mold everywhere

00:06:40.140 i was telling jordan and producer neck earlier my son playing with the volume and he uh

00:06:45.020 is doing that now so my apologies but um yeah you can imagine all the white mold

00:06:51.340 was there maggots due to all the uh pig viscera laying around uh thankfully a handful of north

00:06:59.100 saw people showed up for the work day and were able to do a lot of the heavy hitting as far as

00:07:04.780 cleaning that stuff up i'm gonna name them because they are all awesome they deserve it so um

00:07:11.820 my other right hand guy besides jordan uh goki body mayo um led the charge on this

00:07:17.900 This is kind of our interim Hof Steward.

00:07:22.580 By the way, in his short time as Hof Steward,

00:07:24.700 he has arguably outperformed our previous Hof Steward.

00:07:28.020 There's nothing against them, but he's done an awesome job,

00:07:30.980 and it should be noted.

00:07:34.340 The McCloskeys, who are always awesome and helpful.

00:07:37.300 The McLenns, who are always helpful.

00:07:40.060 Old people I'm going to lift are people you've heard of

00:07:42.740 and already know to be helpful.

00:07:44.900 And Gilbert Page, of course, one of my kids.

00:07:47.900 I believe that was it, possibly John Bull as well.

00:07:54.240 But yeah, all these people showed up and they took care of the absolute mess that was going

00:08:00.000 on at the hawk.

00:08:01.960 So from there, we kind of assessed everything, and the hawk is currently just unusable.

00:08:11.540 Things like the mural and ritual items were not damaged, they're going to get cleaned

00:08:15.500 and it can be cleaned, it's no big deal.

00:08:18.240 The AC units, things like that, mostly can be cleaned.

00:08:24.000 We're thinking the industrial freezer won't be thrown out.

00:08:26.320 The fridge will have to be thrown out.

00:08:28.360 The fridge is a pretty easy replacement.

00:08:30.260 Industrial freezer less so, we'll figure it out.

00:08:34.900 Most of the carpet got torn up,

00:08:35.900 more will have to be torn up.

00:08:39.420 I filed a claim with Duke Energy.

00:08:41.840 They're not wanting to cooperate at the moment,

00:08:45.160 But the AFA has an attorney and it's dealing with them

00:08:49.360 and they're changing them too slowly.

00:08:50.860 So we have that.

00:08:54.420 So, this kind of is what it is.

00:08:57.400 But in the meantime, while we wait for that litigation

00:09:00.160 or whatever that's gonna turn into,

00:09:02.900 we have set up the Newortalk Restoration Fund.

00:09:06.740 Let me scroll up to the sidebar

00:09:08.700 if you'd like to see the donations.

00:09:10.160 If you have questions coming in, which is great.

00:09:11.860 Let's see the donations.

00:09:13.800 All right.

00:09:15.060 So the law speaker and my aforementioned,

00:09:21.660 awesome Kenneth and Gilbert page donated $1,000 each

00:09:25.280 to your top restoration.

00:09:29.340 Bradley donated 40, Angela,

00:09:31.540 I assume that's our cult builder, Angela up north,

00:09:34.520 donated 50.

00:09:37.140 So thank you all so much for donating so far.

00:09:42.660 I grew up four, so I don't like asking people for money.

00:09:45.060 but you know for me it's for Florida Northern so uh what this will do is

00:09:54.560 essentially help us get it professionally clean we already have

00:10:00.700 that set up for next Monday through Friday and a whole week-long job

00:10:05.460 apparently from there we'll have folks manually tear off the carpet and tack

00:10:11.380 strip underneath if there is probably is uh scrub down the pews with things we're going to have

00:10:18.260 a community of lost beaker gokimeo or myself we're going to originally clean the ritual

00:10:23.700 your horn the woodwolf etc uh and you know this has certainly been a stressor for me personally

00:10:34.260 for a lot of our folks down in this area probably the ulterior goki himself but

00:10:41.380 It sounds really cliche, but it is kind of a blessing in disguise.

00:10:44.940 Just before this, Gokhi Mayo and I were talking about things we wanted to change,

00:10:48.520 but I'll make it a little more church-looking.

00:10:52.720 It's the only one without a church feel to it because it's in Florida.

00:10:57.820 And Florida is very, it's kind of new money in a way, I guess you could say.

00:11:04.280 It's not as traditional as the rest of the East Coast.

00:11:07.700 So, yeah, we're talking about lots of new things we can do to kind of move the place up.

00:11:12.700 We're already taking inspiration for some things Baldur's Hoff and Grace Hoff had done

00:11:17.700 to kind of move in that direction once we get the payout from Duke Energy,

00:11:24.700 or however that gets resolved.

00:11:28.700 But yeah, this is going to all work out for the better.

00:11:30.700 We'll have a much nicer Hoff than we had before and it was already pretty nice.

00:11:35.700 And just, I want to keep telling folks, this was bound to happen to one of our hosts eventually, not just in particular, dead pigs and all of something like this was bound to happen.

00:11:45.480 And it just happened to happen to us first.

00:11:48.620 Like with many challenges, though, this is an opportunity to do good deeds and increase our fame among our fellow folk and among the Iseer.

00:11:59.020 I think a lot of us are going to do Lord and your other crowd, and I think we will receive some great blessings from that.

00:12:08.280 But moving past that, or now at least, I'll start with questions about it later.

00:12:17.760 Here with me is, like I said, my IT guy for the district and our top builder in the district.

00:12:29.020 jordan wells i have them on here specifically because i know the episode looks like it was

00:12:35.500 titled like the next generation of the afa leadership or some such that's kind of my

00:12:42.380 running theme for my fifth sunday thing from here on out uh you know i already have my next two

00:12:49.100 guests decided on and they're both guys in their late 20s I think I want to say

00:12:59.240 the other guy look exactly the same age as me so he'll be 30 in a couple months

00:13:02.720 but the idea right um so yeah let me kind of pull up my little interview

00:13:13.220 questions I guess just to start out Jordan just kind of give us tell us a

00:13:17.780 cool about you um i have questions regarding how you found house true and afa which whatever

00:13:23.560 relevant info about your stuff you want to tell people about say how you get to know you

00:13:27.920 yeah absolutely um of course thank you very much for having me back on the vns it's certainly been

00:13:34.500 a while since i've been on the show and i also just wanted to say thank you so much to everyone

00:13:40.920 that has donated already for the njortzoff restoration i was not personally there when

00:13:46.260 this incident unfortunately occurred but from what i have been told and what i have seen pictures of

00:13:54.420 it was not good right and your there certainly deserves better and i want to thank everyone for

00:14:00.180 immediately jumping in and moving the needle on this very far but to get to your question specking

00:14:05.940 or east so as you introduced i'm i'm one of the folk builders here in yordshoff i'm up with you

00:14:12.820 in georgia i'm about 45 minutes southwest of atlanta so i feel like that's where most of

00:14:18.020 our membership is kind of clustered in georgia of course there's people in other areas but that whole

00:14:24.020 ring around atlanta generally speaking right and um yeah i've i've been in leadership now at this

00:14:33.780 point for about what is it like three years now i think i want to say three years between my

00:14:40.180 apprenticeship and then othing in as a bulk builder and then i joined the afa in 2022

00:14:45.060 pretty much right out of college actually but i have loved every single minute of this i i couldn't

00:14:52.500 believe what we have here when i found it and i've never looked back in addition to afa stuff

00:15:01.220 you know of course i got the day job i'm an engineer i love anything outdoors hiking camping

00:15:08.100 fishing all that fun stuff and i've been a guitarist for oh let's see almost about 10 years now

00:15:17.780 all right yeah uh for what it's worth i've been playing guitar for 16 years and you're

00:15:22.980 getting better than i am uh specific questions how long have you been outside true and what

00:15:31.460 brought you to the ice here december 29 2014 so i can give you pretty much that exact date that's

00:15:40.180 when i committed enough to purchase my first hammer and i can go back into like my order

00:15:47.300 history right and see that exact time but the the journey was somewhat of a long one leading up to

00:15:55.060 that so you know as a kid and not for any particular religious reasons but just because

00:16:00.740 it was a better school opportunity than public schooling at the time i went to a catholic middle

00:16:06.260 school and during that process it was i don't know it was apparent to me that i just didn't

00:16:13.460 click with christianity and that led to the start of a search elsewhere essentially i think a lot

00:16:18.660 of us can sympathize with that i think many of our folk have that very similar experience

00:16:24.260 and by the end of catholic school i was looking into wicca which i will not repeat the law

00:16:31.220 speaker's joke about wicca on this broadcast but if you see him in person please ask him to tell

00:16:36.100 you it because it is very funny but i very quickly realized that that was not for me either right but

00:16:42.900 that was what exposed me to at the time what would have been called norse paganism which of course

00:16:47.780 we wouldn't use that term now just because it's not specific and when i realized what it was it was

00:16:55.220 it felt like a bolt of lightning to my veins i don't know a better way of putting it i just

00:17:00.820 felt like i had all the energy in the world like i could do anything um did my first prayer it was a

00:17:08.820 very simple bloat right but uh you know it's been been awesome since then there was a brief period

00:17:16.260 i would say um in the beginning i know a lot of people would be familiar with the term brosa true

00:17:22.020 and early on as a teenager you know of course the vikings are cool right and most of the people that

00:17:27.620 i would have been talking to at the time kind of sympathized with that and i think it was more in

00:17:32.340 it for the vibes the aesthetic than the the actual faith right so that that put me off for a short

00:17:37.620 while i was looking for something a bit more theological a bit more philosophical and and

00:17:44.340 for a brief period i was looking back into christianity right but then all that did was

00:17:49.460 really remind me why i left but on the bright side digging through christian philosophy

00:17:57.220 of course at the bottom of that well is native european philosophy

00:18:02.500 and that got me right back to where i needed to be

00:18:07.860 all right yeah i know what you mean about um kind of like going at jolt of energy and um

00:18:14.340 I always say it was like a light switch being clicked on and it's kind of a jolt of energy in a more liberal sense, I guess.

00:18:23.340 So yeah, that's definitely a common kind of thing and different sort of synonyms for that are what I usually hear from people.

00:18:34.340 So that's, you know, that's interesting that there's that much kind of synchronicity.

00:18:40.340 uh what brought you to the afa specifically so i actually was aware of the afa pretty early on

00:18:49.680 um you know i gave you that that december 2014 date by i would say about mid 2015 i knew about

00:18:57.780 the afa just that it existed i think that was actually around the time that uh matt became

00:19:03.420 Niels Hager-Gothi because people were talking about it. I think there was, forgive me for this,

00:19:10.660 there was a Chan thread about it. That was the first introduction I had to what the AFA was,

00:19:17.980 but it didn't really become part of the front of my awareness, my consciousness until I got

00:19:25.220 out of college. It was always just kind of in the background where I'd see little updates here and

00:19:29.380 there. Oh, we got off, got another off. Um, it was at the time I got out of college that I was

00:19:35.800 thinking to myself, okay, you know, I've been doing this for years by myself. Um, that's not

00:19:41.500 right. This is meant to be done with other people. I think we can all agree on that. And, um, you

00:19:47.960 know, an adult living on my own time to just go for it than doing it long enough. I know the AFA

00:19:54.280 was serious i know i'm serious that was it yeah um yes mid-summer 2015 so you found out about the

00:20:07.160 afa a couple months before we got odensaw uh that's when i joined in 2015 uh like a day or

00:20:15.420 two after i graduated high school and i was going to move out of college with uh a my best friend

00:20:22.000 at the time who was an afa member for a while uh so yeah that's interesting uh point of

00:20:28.300 fact i guess uh all sierra goethe became but matt lebel became the all sierra goethe in 2016

00:20:36.600 midsummer so uh maybe it was odenshoff then just the acquisition

00:20:41.120 probably um yeah i uh i met most of the what all the speck and gar that weren't

00:20:53.680 part of my gothar class i guess uh or spawn at uh star 2016 here in georgia i was kind of

00:21:00.800 like down that area i think it was for hampton that area and uh that's where i met ulterior

00:21:07.680 ago he did an Ostara bloop at that event or you know the main bloop the Ostara bloop and

00:21:13.760 uh that's kind of what finished sort of turning the gears for me and clicking that this was real

00:21:22.320 like you know i want to be part of the afa whether the ice here were real or not i just

00:21:26.400 i appreciated that you know i could be proud of my ancestors and such

00:21:34.480 yeah um but i'm rambling a bit maybe back to my questions from which i will probably ramble more

00:21:42.960 after uh for question number three i put why do you look like that um those listening on audio

00:21:50.960 ladies jordan's a handsome young guy who's not okay he just had very baltic features

00:21:56.480 explain your baltic features well i have baltic features because i have baltic ancestry i think

00:22:03.880 that's the shortest possible explanation uh not not a majority right like uh 70 75 of my

00:22:11.480 my ancestors come from the british isles between england and ireland and then the rest is is

00:22:17.640 northeastern european right so like the baltic highlands northeastern lithuania northeastern

00:22:23.340 Poland, all that kind of area. So to answer your question, that is, in fact, why I look like that.

00:22:30.700 All right, we'll have to throw that in there for a laugh. Okay.

00:22:35.980 Well, I guess, see, we just talked about Baltic stuff. Current theories on where the

00:22:43.420 people specifically originally came from is around the Baltic, that kind of that sort of

00:22:48.780 lake mallar i think i'm pronouncing that right and sort of near the baltic sea they think that's

00:22:55.260 where our languages and such develop of course all white people are one group but

00:23:02.620 our specific strain of that one would possibly come from there so it's neat to think that uh

00:23:10.220 you know your baltic ancestors were there i guess just more recently from the rest of our ancestors

00:23:16.380 um well yeah and frankly um the the lithuanian language is actually perhaps the closest living

00:23:24.140 language to proto-indo-european on grammar and syntax and what vocabulary they still maintain

00:23:31.660 there's a lot of really really close tie-ins when you look at it right you mentioned northeast

00:23:37.260 poland too that's where um that's where some of the goths not northeast poland i guess just poland

00:23:42.780 in general but it's where a lot of the goths kind of settled um those were my paternal haplogroup

00:23:48.300 came from this the goths that were there and uh yeah their language was supposedly the closest

00:23:55.020 to proto-germanic so it's interesting that the closest thing to proto-european was there

00:24:00.620 and the closest thing to proto-germanic was there um is there a particular particular

00:24:08.460 else that you have and especially close relationship with yeah honestly even from that

00:24:15.660 very beginning early period it was always uh for me i was immediately interested in connecting and

00:24:23.740 building a relationship with lord thor i know that's that's pretty popular answer right but

00:24:29.900 that's just what called me home so to speak i don't know if there's a better way to put that

00:24:34.860 uh and and the many different layers of who thor is you know obviously he is essentially the

00:24:44.120 champion of the ica right he is the strong one he is the one who takes chaos and restores it

00:24:49.700 to order and beats that back and keeps that at bay and i identified with that very much so

00:24:55.960 but then the more i thought about it and delved into that there's so many layers to it and i know

00:25:03.720 this is something that Gauti Mayo likes to talk about, the epithets of Lord Thor, some of the

00:25:09.860 kennings, right, of him being deep-souled. There's also an example in one of the sagas, I believe it

00:25:17.840 involves the berserker Starkother, and, you know, he's an Odin's man, of course, but due to his half

00:25:27.100 Jotun ancestry Thor and Odin were actually kind of going back and forth where Odin was blessing him

00:25:34.420 and Thor was trading each blessing with a curse or a limiting factor right and and one of them

00:25:41.560 was that Lord Odin blessed Starkathar with beautiful poetry but Thor's counter curse

00:25:48.440 so to speak was that he would never remember it as soon as he spoke it so at least to me what that

00:25:55.520 implied, right, at least from a lore standpoint, was that not only does Lord Thor guard the

00:26:01.780 boundaries of the world, Midgard, there's also something to be said about the boundaries of

00:26:08.060 the mind, right? What comes in, what goes out, what is allowed, so to speak. And just with all

00:26:14.160 the constant noise, all the constant things going on in this particular period of modern life that

00:26:20.940 we have, I think there's a lot of good things in that, and it's worth building a relationship with

00:26:25.240 lord thor for um so that's that's always been uh for me why i i felt closer to him and then of

00:26:34.180 course when i was younger you know 14 15 years old just the the awe of a mighty thunderstorm of

00:26:40.000 course that's uh that's more of a visceral you know not such a cerebral answer i suppose but

00:26:45.540 that that was why at the beginning yeah i definitely get that um i think especially for

00:26:55.940 men you know we get into uh alcatru and of course the first of the gods we kind of look to as thor

00:27:02.000 and i mean i think it's probably safe to say that literally all the heterosexual men at least they

00:27:10.860 get into out of truth we think of for he's the manly man archetype so to speak um and there is

00:27:21.300 something to be said for him being the first one that's one of the most recognizable of our gods

00:27:26.400 a lot of people attribute it to uh marvin movies and such and i'm not going to pretend to know

00:27:34.760 whether that played a lot of the part but you know our ancestors did wear an equivalent to this of

00:27:42.200 some kind in various forms for hundreds probably thousands of years and uh it was you know clear

00:27:52.120 that they viewed thor as kind of more more closely connected to them because he is that kind of

00:28:01.960 dynamic traveling god all of our gods are trapped of dynamic of course but with him being the

00:28:08.820 protector of kind of our earthly realm and the friend of man as he's called it uh it makes sense

00:28:15.400 that he would sort of be the first one that many people look to yeah and there's just there's a lot

00:28:21.540 of chaos out and about these days you know i think that's why reasonably so people would would cling

00:28:29.220 to the the one who stands most opposed to that right most aggressively against those things and

00:28:36.760 that he was the first of the ice here that i can recall that i offered a blow to

00:28:41.520 it's kind of taking a sneak peek at some of the questions i just start thinking about before i

00:28:52.280 answer on it. I don't like to do

00:28:55.320 Paul Seragoki's thing where he

00:28:57.080 blindsides the guest with it

00:28:59.400 when he thinks about it.

00:29:01.140 It's a strategy.

00:29:04.420 Okay.

00:29:05.300 I have a question for you.

00:29:08.260 Where do you see

00:29:09.320 the AFA being at in 50 years?

00:29:13.100 In 50 years?

00:29:15.300 Just looking.

00:29:16.020 Yeah.

00:29:17.860 Where we are right now

00:29:19.700 and just taking that and trying

00:29:21.900 to project it forward. I'm very much so optimistic, right? I think 50 years from now, we're going to

00:29:29.140 have second and third generation kids born into families that are outstrew. And that's going to

00:29:34.100 be so huge, right? That's, to me, that means we're here to stay and everything that we've built is

00:29:39.800 lasting. And, you know, 50 years, a half for every one of those years, right? In all 50 states,

00:29:47.780 I don't know if it'll be quite that high, but I certainly hope so.

00:29:51.920 I think it'll be awesome to see how we build out also, you know, as we grow and get more Hoffs and more of our folk come home.

00:30:04.140 I know this is something that also Goethe Mayo has talked about is having a permanent place for the Gothar, right?

00:30:11.880 when people are studying as a as a godhar student um or just perhaps somewhere at at sigerheim

00:30:20.600 um you know seeing that develop and what we can do when we give our godhar the tools

00:30:25.720 to be completely spiritually devoted i'd be very interested to see that in 50 years especially

00:30:34.680 yeah that i remember body mentioned that um a few years ago i was like oh that's genius

00:30:39.720 um you know they're a great thing to have other things i mean you mentioned the

00:30:46.120 hop in every state i mean being realistic i don't think i don't want to count it out of course but

00:30:52.040 i don't necessarily just being realistic i think would be at that level but uh i'm certain we will

00:30:59.160 have uh gotten those first 12 hops you know the 12s here listen to the guilt beginning we used to uh

00:31:07.560 when i think it was speckner spawn in the old area but we probably came up with uh

00:31:12.680 that idea of doing the first film we built beginning first i think they were calling

00:31:18.120 it something like rebuilding the uh by cross bridge and uh yeah i think we'll certainly

00:31:24.680 achieve that 50 years well it also could be one thing where it's like a snowball effect

00:31:30.520 you know and that's kind of what i was thinking of it's it's um slowly and then all at once

00:31:34.920 right i guess i didn't mean one half every year literally

00:31:40.840 important clarification right you didn't get thor's off and walter's off in the same year so

00:31:46.040 it's true not impossible and you know with the way things are heading socially and politically

00:31:53.480 and whatnot there's no reason to think that that wouldn't happen you know don't pray to the ice

00:32:03.000 before it's crossed and whatnot but it's certainly around possibility and uh we're actually having

00:32:09.080 a pretty big boom of applicants right now uh it feels like i'm getting a few emails about it a day

00:32:16.200 yep 100 every every one of hey every one in five is spender ericsson testing something with the

00:32:26.040 email system but still um yeah it's crazy to think about the possibilities um where things

00:32:40.120 could be in 50 years so yeah we could have some kind of actual a literal like brick and mortar

00:32:46.360 building uh i assume tears high tears off and cigarette would be much busier than they are now

00:32:54.120 um i wouldn't say that like beyond having the first 12 ice years

00:33:00.920 hops um established we'd also have some of the outs here i think friggin freya and maybe austra

00:33:07.720 pull up some of the main defense dollar a safe bet um he also has very specific designs that he

00:33:18.260 nerds out about he wants for each of the hoffs and how they connect sort of artistically to

00:33:24.660 tears off i think that'll be set up pretty well in 50 years uh hopefully we are able to pay our

00:33:31.920 clergy in 50 years. It's not super fun all the time getting home from my goopy factory job and

00:33:42.020 throwing on a suit, but it's worth it, of course. Yeah, I think there's definitely good things in

00:33:52.180 store for us. We've been blessed by the ICER so much. We've done so much for them since then. I

00:33:58.780 I'll see why the lessons wouldn't continue to flow in, especially with our current Ulterior

00:34:03.200 Goji's leadership, who the next guy is, has big shoes to fill, but I know the Ulterior

00:34:08.500 Goji will make the right choice when it comes time for that.

00:34:14.020 Our next question, you and I and some others are currently the leaders within the next

00:34:20.880 generation of House of Truth.

00:34:22.040 are there any other uh gen z i guess uh leaders that you're especially excited about and kind of

00:34:30.240 seeing their potential uh well i mean i'll certainly include you in that list just because

00:34:36.560 we're uh roughly the same age you only got a couple of years on me right but um it's hard to

00:34:43.640 single out individual people just because we have a really good leadership core but since you are

00:34:50.700 putting me to it. My fellow Gauthier student, Chris Savage, the work he's doing on the history

00:34:58.480 project is phenomenal. I've listened to several instances of him walking through that. I've

00:35:04.740 enjoyed every second of it. Same thing with my fellow folk builder, Aidan McMillan. The work

00:35:10.740 that they're doing on digital outreach and writing things on our sub stack and the more

00:35:18.480 you know academic side of things from that standpoint i really enjoy seeing what they're

00:35:24.800 putting out and even if i don't say your name on this list doesn't mean you're not cool just

00:35:29.200 want to make that clear right doesn't mean i don't like you it just means i haven't got a chance to

00:35:33.280 uh get to know you as well as we should know each other

00:35:36.320 yeah i can just tell from here sierra's pretty upset no she's cool too i don't mean to leave

00:35:43.440 around you already you already did it's too late i'm sorry okay i'm look i'm i'm gonna visit odin

00:35:51.280 soft i won't i won't leave you hanging all right um i have a couple more questions for you here on

00:36:02.720 my phone we're gonna answer some of the questions in the chat first

00:36:08.480 spender spawn says we both need haircuts no well yeah i don't think so i skipped last weekend

00:36:21.760 we don't don't try and hair mom this right now spawn i'm not i don't appreciate it yeah this is

00:36:27.760 this is our episode you're like a guy at a concert that like got kicked out of the band

00:36:33.680 before the band went on stage

00:36:35.300 and was like yelling at us.

00:36:37.000 It's not nice.

00:36:41.900 Our folk builder, Angela,

00:36:43.960 up north of New Hampshire,

00:36:46.040 I think.

00:36:47.340 I'm not super focused on New England.

00:36:48.920 I think it's that, you know.

00:36:50.360 She says,

00:36:51.560 obviously none of us

00:36:52.720 is giving up anything for Lent,

00:36:54.960 but what are your thoughts

00:36:55.960 on ritual self-denial?

00:36:59.440 I wouldn't do it.

00:37:01.320 I'm going to go ahead

00:37:01.640 and throw that to the Gophie student first.

00:37:03.140 Go ahead.

00:37:03.680 so i don't think it's you know entirely inappropriate i know um there was a time a

00:37:12.780 couple of years ago where a lot of our folk in the spiritual excellence chat in the lead up to

00:37:18.020 odin world prayer day which is you know something that has been popular i believe it's that valgaard

00:37:23.180 murray uh who who instituted that or am i thinking of someone else but the um it's a guy from sweden

00:37:31.140 I'm really spacing his name, but people were fasting in the lead up to that, whether it was 24 hour fast, 48 hour fast.

00:37:39.100 You know, some people were going at that a lot, a lot harder than others.

00:37:42.240 And then they were breaking that fast. Right.

00:37:45.700 The first thing is the the mead from bloat. Right.

00:37:51.600 When they raise the horn and then receive back. Right.

00:37:55.460 So I'm from that standpoint, I'm not entirely opposed, but I also don't want to, I don't know, give the impression of like you picture like a like a Catholic monk.

00:38:07.580 Right. That's, you know, denigrating themselves. I think that's certainly too far.

00:38:12.260 Like, I don't want to see any else. True are whipping themselves or starving themselves or.

00:38:17.520 Right. I think that's there's a line there to me.

00:38:20.000 yeah for sure um his name is anders nilson by the way and there's our swede who um he

00:38:31.220 was a full builder for a time really good at it he makes the uh the neat odin thor and

00:38:36.900 frigg statuettes that some of us have around um yeah great guy i it was either him that

00:38:45.400 came up with that or our founder Steve McNatlin and then Anders kind of

00:38:50.500 popularized it but I think Anders came up with it. Thank you for the name

00:38:54.160 correction. I said Valgaard Murray and I would know. Yeah as far as ritual self-denial I

00:39:09.680 I absolutely encourage people to practice discipline on things.

00:39:14.980 So long, as Jordan said, if you don't cross the line of self-flagellation, don't whip

00:39:21.400 yourself, don't wear a hair shirt.

00:39:26.920 What you do in the privacy of your home is your own business, I guess, but I wouldn't

00:39:31.360 recommend either of those things.

00:39:34.100 We don't announce to have original sin.

00:39:38.180 there is right and wrong and you know i see questions about that in the comments that we'll

00:39:43.860 get to but the idea that all of us are inherently born sinful and guilty is

00:39:54.340 just so like preposterous and evil uh yeah i'm sure any of you that follow me on twitter have

00:40:01.060 seen me argue with people about that ridiculous concept um so yeah no but the discipline of

00:40:11.540 denying yourself something is fine and depending on what it is is of course

00:40:16.180 absolutely encouraged i don't do fasting personally because i um i like to keep up with my

00:40:24.420 macros and calories to less of an extent i should probably but i

00:40:31.060 I like to make sure I'm eating enough and things like that, or I lose weight real fast and get real, like, super strong.

00:40:37.960 So I'm not going to do that, but it is very, very commendable when people are able to deny themselves things like that.

00:40:44.560 I wouldn't I would encourage people to sort of broaden the scope past self-denial to discipline

00:40:58.940 in general and consistency those are the biggest things a lot of people have this kind of idea

00:41:05.340 that motivation is going to be the thing that wins the day and there's some truth to that for

00:41:11.500 sure but ultimately consistency and discipline are what do it you know um

00:41:19.680 because we practice Ausitru and we look everything through a Germanic Norse

00:41:25.000 lens we tend to look at the Roman Empire for example it's like the bad guys of

00:41:29.920 our story you know they were our folk and part of what made the Romans so deadly

00:41:35.620 made them such a machine was their their discipline and their consistency in

00:41:42.160 their training and their fighting right so those things consistency is a hell

00:41:47.920 of a weapon in anything you know whether it's silly little habits you have at

00:41:55.060 work to make your job easier or make you more productive whether it's having a

00:41:59.560 good bedtime routine for your kid which make sure you have a good bedtime

00:42:03.180 17 to the kid by the way speaking experience very important or with the gym obviously that's super

00:42:12.060 important nutrition all those things discipline is what will win the day uh next question

00:42:24.460 i'm gonna throw this one at you as well first jordan because it's a good question and i

00:42:29.580 I'm breaking my promise.

00:42:32.280 I do need to steal the Altair, go up his trip, and kind of think on it.

00:42:35.960 Tyler asks, what is your favorite real-world practical outreach that the AFA does and why?

00:42:41.640 If the AFA would do more types of outreach than that, what would you like to see?

00:42:45.420 Thanks for all you guys do, and you have the great work.

00:42:51.060 Yeah, you know, that's a good question.

00:42:52.640 I think a lot of people would agree with me that at least recently, there's been two big sources of our folk coming home, and that is visibility that we have gotten on X slash Twitter, visibility from shorts.

00:43:10.940 So I would say like the digital media kind of stuff that we've been we've been creating lately as a church has been very effective.

00:43:17.480 I think we see that very often as reasons for people coming home.

00:43:21.480 And then also the real world conversations that our folk builders have and that our members have when they're meeting people out and about, they're talking to friends, they're talking to family, just the the deeds of the folk in our church being the example that gets people interested or if not interested, at least curious.

00:43:43.340 And we could always use more of both of those.

00:43:48.700 Yeah, absolutely.

00:43:51.480 Sorry, the ulterior goofy likes to heckle me over a text message during these

00:43:58.100 sometimes. Anyway, something important that we did a few years ago, I say we as if I was

00:44:06.100 there. I was not particularly, but AFA leaders were. When Hurricane Colleen, I think it was.

00:44:12.900 Oh, that was great.

00:44:14.580 Yeah, the Carolinas and really it grew a lot of people's lives and a lot of formal stuff.

00:44:18.920 I hate those horrible things happen, but like with the Nurtzhop thing, it created an opportunity

00:44:23.920 for heroism.

00:44:24.920 Yes.

00:44:25.920 And a lot of our guys, led by a phone builder, Tyler Heinlein, up in Montana, Montana, there

00:44:34.920 you go.

00:44:35.920 They took care of a lot of stuff, did a lot of really important work, and made a difference.

00:44:41.920 you know naturally the mainstream media is not going to cover that but people

00:44:49.380 learned who we were I don't know how many people we had joined from that

00:44:54.400 particular thing but I know it was more than zero and yeah things like that are

00:45:00.680 super important obviously and thankfully natural crazy disasters don't happen

00:45:05.740 often enough for us to do that but when they do it's always really cool that

00:45:10.600 But when no one else steps in, our fault of the ones who do it, I mean AFA, capital F.

00:45:22.040 Another type of outreach, so to speak, that we can all do, and I think I say this every

00:45:31.100 time I'm on the show, but you guys can just deal with it, is to wear your hammer outside

00:45:36.120 of your shirt uh and just be willing to talk about it if you're going to odin's hall for

00:45:43.960 mid-summer and it's going to take from thursday to monday and get asked off work and they ask

00:45:47.660 where you're going uh just tell them i'm going to a church event out in california or wherever

00:45:54.080 it may be and uh just from a personal experience every now and then because i work at a small

00:46:01.080 enough company if i tell them what i'm you know i'm going to florida for a church event they go

00:46:06.120 what kind of church is that you know there's all kinds of churches around here and i'll say oh my

00:46:10.840 church is an house true church and then i have to explain house true is a word for north paganism or

00:46:16.200 whatever i have to kind of use lingo that might seem cringy to us have been around a while uh to

00:46:23.960 explain it to this southern baptist that my supervisor at work is you know but it it kind of

00:46:31.560 gets a foot in the door i don't think he's going to become alcitru you know what i mean but if we uh

00:46:40.760 normalize it to use an obnoxious therapy speak word it does just that it becomes

00:46:47.560 normal and it's there are different spaces kind of in in the world where

00:46:54.360 where Alistair is more normalized than others.

00:46:58.260 So when I got into the army,

00:47:01.560 I wore my Thor's hammer.

00:47:02.820 I had to have my own dog tag chain, you know,

00:47:05.600 so it would be uniform standards.

00:47:07.200 And even then I don't think it quite was, but it's fine.

00:47:11.100 And people would see that and some of them would go,

00:47:12.620 oh, you're pagan, okay.

00:47:14.660 I didn't need to explain what it was.

00:47:16.760 They didn't really care to ask me any details about it usually,

00:47:20.600 it was cool that there was any kind of recognition of it whatsoever and this was

00:47:29.160 wow 10 years ago when i was in boot camp it was 10 years ago so we only had odin's off and it was

00:47:35.320 still very very new um other types of outreach our food pantry is a good one yeah

00:47:50.600 Ultimately, I guess, there was a thing Spectator's Fond did a few years back with his kindred.

00:47:59.020 I say a few years back as if it wasn't probably close to a decade ago, but, you know, bear with me.

00:48:04.620 It was kind of a fun run, fundraiser thing out in his part of Virginia.

00:48:09.680 Things like that would be cool.

00:48:11.880 We don't do enough things like that.

00:48:14.000 I know everybody's busy, so it's tough to kind of organize things like that.

00:48:16.900 but uh a few of our hoffs have adopted a highway that they clean which is really nice to see

00:48:23.540 here we're talking to do that soon actually i'm sure tears off will work on that once they are able

00:48:31.940 um yeah more ideas will come to me and stuff but uh yeah anything that's in person and showing

00:48:42.260 people who we are by nobility of what we're doing right another recent example that's really good

00:48:48.120 so the the fire department up in Montana around where folk builder Tyler Heinlein is

00:48:55.140 their equipment is so old it was 1980s old they're badly in need of new equipment and the folk up

00:49:04.920 there plus others who were aware of the need you know we all pitched in and we were able to

00:49:11.580 to cut them a decently sized check right to try and repair some of their their badly outdated

00:49:17.340 equipment so it's things like that where um you know we want our communities to be strong we want

00:49:23.980 our folk to succeed both the folk within and the folk without and those are the kinds of things

00:49:29.300 that if we do them we're showing people we're showing people who we are yeah the um motto of

00:49:37.880 It comes from an old, I think it's Swain, Wilming book, and it's what the law speaker says.

00:49:44.200 A lot of the older Alistair people used to say a lot is, we are our beings.

00:49:49.140 And it's nice and simple four words, and it's punchy, but it really is a large truth for Alistair,

00:49:55.980 and probably for area of religiosity as a whole, is actions matter, right?

00:50:01.560 Yes.

00:50:01.920 You know, it's not always about having the biggest heart or whatever, or being the underdog.

00:50:06.720 No, it's about what you do.

00:50:07.880 I think it was Goethe Rock that said the gods love a hero, right?

00:50:14.620 And not everybody's going to be a hero, but all of us, no matter our situation,

00:50:20.700 can do something that is heroic in proportion to who we are.

00:50:27.920 And, yeah, just something to kind of think about in your day-to-day.

00:50:34.940 Do something that is heroic in proportion to who you are.

00:50:37.880 what you can accomplish that in itself as long as you are also wearing your hammer outside your

00:50:44.680 shirt and being asked to openly combine that with doing heroic things that is the best kind of

00:50:52.280 outreach real quick i'm going to cover a donation and then a top of the show thing i forgot to

00:50:58.120 mention we have another few donations to the norentok restoration they put norentok pavilion

00:51:06.760 for this one i'll take the pavilion i don't know i'm going to take the one from tears off that

00:51:11.720 seems impious but i'll take one just throwing around uh jace cameron up in montana donated

00:51:18.600 250 north talk uh thank you jace great rachel cameron donated a thousand to your top restoration

00:51:26.200 thank you guys austin in wisconsin donated 30. thank you uh i already mentioned the law speakers

00:51:35.560 donation i will leroy donated 20. thank you leroy just in general thank you all for the donations um

00:51:47.240 just because i know he's gonna yell at me about yelling at you it's leroy he's he pronounces

00:51:52.600 his name strange fair enough i've known another loroy okay i don't believe you but all right

00:52:02.040 my dad's middle name's leroy so i like arguing with him about it it's fun yeah it's important

00:52:11.160 the top of the show thing i forgot to mention let me pull up my calendar some of the exact dates

00:52:17.080 is a veteran at phrase hall or winter nights in english so this event has been in new hampshire

00:52:26.760 the past couple of years and it was in ohio for one or two years before that and it was in the

00:52:32.520 poconos for a decade before that um i have not been to one of the you know the winter nights up

00:52:42.280 in the north since that last one in the poconos in 2021 when uh myself inspector young got ordained

00:52:49.080 so i'm excited to be able to make it to this one here in a few weeks october 16th through 18th

00:52:56.760 RSVP at runestone.org slash store. We're no longer charging ticket fees for events because things

00:53:05.480 like the auction and just various donations that people tend to give are enough to kind of cover

00:53:13.960 the cost of things. So, you know, there's no ticket price like there used to be, just the

00:53:20.360 ridiculous gas crisis it'll take to get there.

00:53:26.500 So yeah, please register for that and I will hopefully see you there.

00:53:34.660 Okay, a question from Sarah, I believe it's give you all, it just says Sarah, but I'm pretty sure it's give you all.

00:53:42.660 We talked about coming home to the AFA, we talked about community.

00:53:45.780 As part of the integer, we have a responsibility to each other to build a stronger future for our folk and to bring more folk home.

00:53:53.620 Should we hold each other to higher standards?

00:53:55.840 When others in the community act less than honorable, should that be called out and held accountable?

00:54:00.860 Currently, news feeds are filled with the sort of Cornell University of seven frat boys who raped a girl and 50 others in the Czech group who knew and did nothing.

00:54:09.900 In Alistair, how do we raise our sons to teach young men not to be complacent when their friends are acting down on her?

00:54:15.780 I've got a bunch of questions and I'll try and answer them as best I can.

00:54:22.920 Yeah, we absolutely have a responsibility of each other to build a stronger future for our people and bring more of them home.

00:54:32.560 I mean, yeah. Yes, we do.

00:54:36.400 Rising tide raises all ships, right? And that's appalling to our fault.

00:54:40.920 I just looked up who it was that said the quote the other day, and I've already forgotten.

00:54:45.480 and i'm gonna butcher even the paraphrasing of it but a society or a civilization is thriving when

00:54:53.560 the men of that society are planting seeds which will grow into trees under whose shade

00:55:01.320 they themselves may not sit but their children are grandchildren we uh are in this this is

00:55:09.480 tangentially related um we're in this odd space at least the anglosphere in the united states

00:55:19.320 in particular where we kind of seem to be doing everything for the benefit of our

00:55:25.560 elders and we should absolutely do things for the benefit of our elders all of uh most of my

00:55:32.120 best friends are in their 40s or 50s just because of circumstance so you know i want to take care of

00:55:39.160 those uh old heads as you kids call them um but fundamentally a society should be built around

00:55:48.440 building things for the um something both my parents and my wife's parents often say is that

00:55:57.560 you know you should be they they want madison and i and thus our son william to have

00:56:03.560 a better life than they did right and that's always been the goal in any healthy society

00:56:12.200 and you know there's two benefits to that one is that there's kind of uh

00:56:18.200 that pay it forward effect the other being when you get old you get to complain to the kids about

00:56:24.120 how you used to walk to school uphill in the snow both ways i'm really looking forward to that

00:56:28.440 frankly um you know i had school buses and such and no snow except in georgia i'm still going to

00:56:34.680 do it uh we should be bringing our bulk home because uh yep good that's one of my favorite

00:56:46.120 and that is the proper usage of that havamal quotation yes yeah yeah yeah it's not the other

00:56:55.160 usage uh we do have a duty to bring more of our folk home because bringing them out of the

00:57:02.760 foreign desert philo-semitic death cult they're in and bring them to their own faith of their

00:57:10.920 own ancestors and their own people and their own values and virtues literally is saving people and

00:57:17.160 it sounds cringy when kind of we keep christianity in mind to talk about saving souls or some such

00:57:23.140 and that's not the way i would ever word it otherwise but that is what we're doing

00:57:29.620 and we should absolutely strive to do that you know get our people out of that abrahamic

00:57:36.900 semitic matrix of of guilt and original sin and the meek inheriting the earth and all that other

00:57:43.940 They're gay stuff.

00:57:48.540 Getting real gen Z, using gay as a derogatory term.

00:57:53.740 Should we hold sort of the higher standards?

00:57:55.600 Yes.

00:57:56.620 As far as kind of calling out our folk when they're less than honorable, yes, we should.

00:58:03.680 There are proper ways to do it, of course, depending on the circumstance.

00:58:09.760 But, yeah, absolutely.

00:58:11.500 And that's something nobody likes to do.

00:58:13.220 and that's part of how we've found ourselves in the situation we're in in this uh in this

00:58:20.180 day and age is sort of because we're no longer in a high trust society you know you see somebody

00:58:27.220 litter or whatever you don't or at least you feel like you don't have a vested interest in saying

00:58:34.180 hey man that's not cool you know we share this area pick up that skills wrapper right

00:58:40.340 and then on a macro scale it just you know expands outward and gets worse yeah

00:58:48.760 that's something that should change and of course it has to change within the micro first then

00:58:55.220 again expand those little interactions are what holds a civilization together the trust between

00:59:01.420 people making sure everything is is clean and orderly and put together i mean if you concede

00:59:09.160 that it's a just slippery slope at that point yeah absolutely and that again that's how we

00:59:16.300 part of how we got where we are um as far as the cornell university thing about the frat boys

00:59:23.860 yeah i i believe he's our son and teach our young men not be complacent and their friends

00:59:30.920 are acting without honor yeah um nick threw the stands up i'm sure he'll do it again

00:59:34.500 wink wink nudge nudge um give your enemies no peace recognize evil speak out against it give

00:59:41.760 no truces to your enemies um your buddies in a group chat aren't necessarily your enemies unless

00:59:49.200 they do something that heinous right but yeah it kind of goes back to what you said earlier in the

00:59:54.840 question about calling out and people in our community are less than honorable it it's

01:00:00.840 uncomfortable nobody likes doing or likes being called out but it's necessary you

01:00:09.420 should seek to build friendships and relationships keep around you see where

01:00:13.320 they can feel comfortable enough calling you out you know if I you know for

01:00:21.360 example sometimes I because of my position I have to bother phone orders

01:00:26.820 towards those are about turning in room stone articles or dealing with expired

01:00:31.800 members or whatever and every now and then if I do it in a way where I sound

01:00:35.520 like a big jerk I have people who will message me on the side and say why why

01:00:41.760 do you why are you talking like that did you not have coffee this morning or

01:00:45.320 whatever they know who they are I'm sure they're rolling their eyes but yeah it's

01:00:50.520 important to have that that's part of what makes a high-trust society high

01:00:54.700 trust do you like use like Viking imagery for things right A.L.

01:01:02.260 Stella Grimson would have called it kin fence yeah Nick I think you and I get

01:01:08.500 that message from the same same lady uh but yes we talk about the kin fence

01:01:15.880 right the fence needs all the posts and all the connections between the posts to

01:01:21.040 stand strong the post by itself can be walked around or jumped over or knocked over or whatever

01:01:29.040 a shield wall is kind of a cooler term to use frankly

01:01:35.840 you need that wall there everybody's shields are locked in to protecting themselves and each other

01:01:42.560 um and that's essentially how we need to do things

01:01:47.680 what's up buddy we need to uh protect each other from degeneracy and kind of

01:01:56.000 civilizational complacency we need to be willing to address weaknesses in that school while in that

01:02:03.840 context uh what are your thoughts on all that jordan i rambled for a bit there oh no that's

01:02:09.720 all right um yeah i would 100 agree and i think the main thing i'd want to add to that is if you

01:02:16.800 have people that you are close to as part of that kin fence whether they're of your folk friends

01:02:22.000 family and they're doing something that they shouldn't be doing you know you can see that

01:02:27.120 they're going astray um when you call them out on that you're doing it out of love and that's the

01:02:33.040 way it should be right that's the approach that one should take when when trying to enforce those

01:02:38.400 things that keep a high trust society that it's out of care and out of affection and not just

01:02:44.160 I'm going to chomp your head off. Right.

01:02:52.960 Yeah, absolutely. Um,

01:02:56.320 I would encourage folks to even in, in every close relationship you have, even with, uh,

01:03:03.840 even in your marriages, that can be uncomfortable. A lot of people have relationships where they

01:03:07.680 won't tell each other how it is. And I don't necessarily recommend being jerks about it,

01:03:12.880 unless you guys have kind of agreed beforehand you're going to be jerks to each other about it

01:03:16.560 um but yeah no like um madison and i will tell each other we're being ridiculous

01:03:25.280 not in a super public way but if one of us is being you know uh one of us is being

01:03:34.720 stubborn about something they shouldn't be or irrational and that's never me i never give

01:03:40.080 with those but you know she's doing those things always let her know you know keep her in line

01:03:45.920 but um no seriously it's important to be able to hold each other accountable

01:03:52.480 and we extol the virtue of telling the truth yeah right one of our virtues

01:03:56.960 Next question. This is an interesting one. Cfave713 says, are Draugr literal or

01:04:13.200 poetic metaphors? I'm fairly certain our ancestors put them as literal. You know, I can't go like

01:04:21.720 hiking around western sweden and dig up one of the like zombie guys from skyrim i don't think

01:04:31.480 i haven't tried there but i would imagine when they're written about they are

01:04:38.040 they were considered literal um they would be also useful in poetic metaphor for sure

01:04:44.040 Well, there's a thing. I don't know about possibility, but perhaps a rationalization that came down the line. Philosophically, I'm speaking about like the like the Platonist concept of Phasmata.

01:05:01.280 um that's not to say i would consider myself a plateness but it's an interesting thought on

01:05:07.180 this particular question right where the idea is the thing isn't a physical being so it's not like

01:05:15.340 a physical corpse but the the entity or the being the uh the presence right when it is interpreted

01:05:23.260 by your mind, it gives off the impression of, you know, walking, shambling, desiccation,

01:05:31.200 rot, right?

01:05:32.620 Like the image of a corpse, even though it's not physically there.

01:05:37.340 But that's not really a, I wouldn't say that's part of, you know, Germanic philosophy, but

01:05:43.440 that's been one concept in the broader European sense.

01:05:47.760 Yeah, no, I like that.

01:05:49.060 And I mean, I like the idea of us being able to borrow, I guess, from our cousins across Europe.

01:05:56.620 I don't think there's anything wrong with that, to an extent.

01:06:00.080 Some of the Greek things and some habits they should keep away from us and keep away from themselves.

01:06:08.660 But, you know, mostly they had some good stuff.

01:06:10.920 can you guys tell us

01:06:17.120 about your coming to the faith

01:06:18.420 as we need more young people to come home

01:06:20.420 and do you have any suggestions on that as well

01:06:22.880 so

01:06:24.720 and that comes from Al Bowman

01:06:26.140 a regular listener

01:06:28.380 always has good questions

01:06:29.560 Jordan told him I guess I can tell

01:06:32.560 mine to fill up time

01:06:34.060 I think I've been on the show enough where it's going to

01:06:36.300 bore some people but you guys

01:06:38.340 have survived

01:06:38.880 um so i was kind of like edgy liberal atheist for me it was like 13 to 18 i was a mormon

01:06:51.600 beacon before that um but yeah so we were myself and the former afa member who was my college

01:07:00.180 roommate and his uh his girlfriend now wife we were all sitting in math class together

01:07:06.020 and they had

01:07:07.920 attended Ostara in the South

01:07:09.640 2015 and they had been to

01:07:12.000 Stephen McNallan's Odenblow

01:07:13.580 Altera Gokey, Stephen McNallan at the time

01:07:15.980 his Odenblow

01:07:17.060 and this guy

01:07:19.680 his name is Alton, he had been

01:07:21.260 talking to me about Odenblow for a couple

01:07:23.780 years at that point and

01:07:25.780 it never

01:07:28.200 fascinated

01:07:30.020 me in the slightest until

01:07:31.780 he was telling me about this

01:07:33.860 Odenblow and being

01:07:35.140 at this event with all the like-minded people and just hearing him talk about the Odin blood

01:07:44.220 it's the funniest thing I can't even remember any of the detail of it I can imagine it I've

01:07:50.080 been with a few of our founders which is Odin but it's just something clicked it was like the

01:07:58.100 look of a light switch like I said like a shot in it when Gordon said I immediately began

01:08:02.820 trying to learn every single thing I could about it so much so that I slacked off uh even more in

01:08:09.940 that math class that I mentioned well luckily the teacher was not super attentive so I got

01:08:16.220 away with it pretty well um but yeah that was when I was 18 um and uh Dalton he had found

01:08:25.720 he was like 15 or 16 uh and i'll just share his story too because it's interesting

01:08:33.000 he um you know we're in georgia right so he was raised southern baptist i believe and he

01:08:40.440 said he had kind of begun to pray one night and he just said thor instead of jesus and it freaked

01:08:46.120 him out because he hadn't looked into this you know the lord anglo or not descended from the

01:08:52.440 vikings at least probably not by a lot and uh so for him that's how that happened i mentioned how

01:09:00.200 it happened for me um i mean the truth is there is something there that part of it is you know

01:09:07.400 it's the all father kind of stirring that in our souls the soul of our people um and you can look

01:09:14.040 back at many of our heroes that we honor with days of remembrance from maestro guido von liszt

01:09:19.960 alzheimer gregels ulterior goethe spender and bentonson go the florenstein um

01:09:27.880 bolt mother elsie christensen uh stubba and uh hoskold of eugenic right the list goes on um

01:09:38.280 there is just something this kind of uh current i guess

01:09:42.840 um our gods the all-father in particular kind of awakening our fault and i think

01:09:49.960 us young people that kind of that happens you like not uh make myself not to sound impious or

01:09:57.240 make myself seem more important than i am but if it happened to us it was meant to happen to us

01:10:02.840 we're meant to be here and of course all of our things are meant to be here but i think the ones

01:10:07.240 of us that were awakened in this fashion have a uh a duty to kind of do what if you all ask

01:10:14.040 ask her about her question and leave more full of help we have a duty to kind of accept that torch

01:10:20.280 that mandate from the all-fathers carry the torch forward especially when we look back and think

01:10:25.880 about what all those previously mentioned names and especially our founder stephen mcnallen did

01:10:30.440 to bring it this far because in theory i don't know if this is how it would actually play it out

01:10:37.000 myself and my buddy from Dalton who would not have now announced to if Steven McNadlin had not

01:10:44.120 carried that towards and that mandate forward into time um so yeah we have a duty to uh

01:10:53.800 kind of like I mentioned about raising the next rate to pay it forward

01:10:57.720 uh suggestions on how to do that yeah I I guess just

01:11:02.040 Oh, hang on. Yeah, I missed half of that question. Do you have any suggestions on that as well

01:11:10.220 as the world slips off into chaos, traditional lightening, Christian movements trying to

01:11:15.400 tie something to their church, what the elements we have are superior to here? It's my bad.

01:11:20.900 I missed that whole other half of the question. Oh, well, just add time to the broadcast.

01:11:27.100 the ulcerative he doesn't get upset um yes jason is on that is

01:11:36.860 uh get a little truthful here they absolutely look good lose weight if you're going bald

01:11:45.420 go ahead and shave your hair uh wear nice clothes groom yourself properly don't smell like speak

01:11:52.620 well yes speak right words as you say um live a good whole life live an honest

01:12:02.700 life be a virtuous man or woman be modest when it's time to be be proud when it's

01:12:09.480 time to be and that's easier said than done of course but we all know when

01:12:14.500 those times are be faithful to your partner be a devoted and present mother or father

01:12:25.780 grandmother grandfather being involved and or other practice what we preach i guess

01:12:34.140 um yeah and like another part of that that's harder um to make happen depending on on who

01:12:41.020 you're talking about or who you're talking to. Something that I think, at least for me and what

01:12:46.980 I've seen with a lot of other folk that has the most impact is if you can get them to actually

01:12:52.760 come to something in person, right? And do spiritual things that are building your relationship with

01:12:57.740 the IC or get them to a bloat, get them to assemble, get them to a hoff, those kinds of

01:13:04.400 things. And I know the question, the first part of it, I believe was more directed at younger people,

01:13:09.440 but this is more in a general way, right? When people experience that, that this is real and

01:13:17.140 that there's something to build a relationship with, I think a lot of those other pieces tend

01:13:22.500 to fall into place, right? That's like the starting point, at least for me it was. You know, as a

01:13:29.000 little 14-year-old, I wasn't particularly into politics quite yet, but, you know, talking about

01:13:37.940 virtue talking about standing with your folk

01:13:40.100 Alistair came first

01:13:42.120 and then everything flowed from that

01:13:43.600 for me anyway

01:13:44.620 and that's you know how it should be

01:13:48.000 that's how it was for our

01:13:49.960 ancestors

01:13:50.500 just to add to my own story I guess

01:13:53.640 that's how it was for me as well I mentioned I was a

01:13:55.460 liberal atheist I was still

01:13:57.780 liberal in a lot of things

01:14:00.140 not so

01:14:02.060 much now

01:14:02.780 for better or for worse google my name

01:14:06.140 and find that out but

01:14:07.100 But at the time, yeah, one of the things that stood out to me about the AFA was we encouraged

01:14:14.240 all peoples to have pride in themselves and their group and to worship their own gods.

01:14:20.300 We encouraged all peoples to kind of cast off Christianity or Islam and these kind of

01:14:26.480 universalist faiths.

01:14:30.280 As far as kind of where the elements we have that are superior about the AFA that the Christian

01:14:36.900 church doesn't have.

01:14:40.940 So in the Bible it mentions, you know, kind of how they feel about homosexuals or whatever.

01:14:50.260 Just about any modern church is going to let any of those kinds of people in.

01:14:57.240 The Austro-Folk Assembly does not, they don't accept LGBT stuff, um, sex offenders, things

01:15:08.940 like that, um, the whole list of accounts at the moment, uh, but yeah, it, that's the

01:15:18.640 big difference, I think.

01:15:20.640 Again, we, uh, we kind of practice what we preach.

01:15:24.640 we say hey we don't approve of this and it's something we kind of can't come back from so to

01:15:29.520 speak we don't allow them um and you know ideally that situation wouldn't come up but

01:15:38.160 christianity however uh you know you're already born guilty so committing another

01:15:43.920 grave sin or whatever is just part and parcel or part of the course right i mean something i

01:15:51.120 always use when i'm kind of talking about christianity with people as opposed to alsatruh

01:15:56.400 um you know if you're if you're christian and the christian worldview is like correct in this

01:16:01.920 hypothetical sense in the literal sense it's not but in the hypothetical sense

01:16:07.360 then jeffrey dahmer is in heaven right with whoever else is in heaven

01:16:14.000 however because alsatruh is correct and jeffrey dahmer is it sounds like of german descent

01:16:19.840 he is

01:16:21.080 I would think his soul

01:16:24.320 had kind of been ground into next

01:16:26.000 and not being repurposed

01:16:27.260 but the part of the soul that can still

01:16:29.740 feel things is certainly

01:16:31.280 now strong and I think

01:16:34.020 if you were to

01:16:35.620 hand that scenario

01:16:38.140 those two scenarios to any

01:16:39.700 intellectually honest

01:16:42.180 person we know which one

01:16:43.940 sounds better right

01:16:45.140 but

01:16:47.000 But another thing, too, that Al Stroud does not have, that Christianity does, and Al Stroud

01:16:55.380 is correct for not having, is this sort of obligation to forgive, no matter what's going

01:17:00.560 on.

01:17:01.680 So one of the days I was on this broadcast was the same day that Charlie Kirk was killed.

01:17:09.140 And just to be clear, I didn't agree with Charlie Kirk on much of anything outside of

01:17:14.000 his basic stuff, like transvestites aren't the gender they want to be, stuff like that,

01:17:20.360 right? But I mentioned that because days later, his widow, Erica, got on stage at his memorial

01:17:28.360 dinner or whatever, and she said, I forgive the young man that did this. Everybody stood

01:17:33.680 and clapped and cheered, and I had seen that kind of silliness before, but every time it

01:17:41.880 still boggles my mind to forgive him he took away your husband the father of your children

01:17:47.400 um a guy was in the prime of his life i think he was my age a little older 32 maybe it you know

01:17:57.400 a life wiped wiped away just because he didn't think a man in a dress was the same thing as a

01:18:04.200 woman and he was correct like objectively and that's super easy to identify as being the correct

01:18:10.280 position that kind of attitude with forgiveness it's unsettling once you see what it is right and

01:18:18.040 you know that video can be publicly executed essentially was so viral around that time

01:18:24.600 anybody who watched that and would be able to forgive the person that did that

01:18:30.920 is hopefully just performative and not literal so yeah again another tangent as

01:18:40.380 I'm going to do but Alistair does not have that obligation to forgive. You have

01:18:46.100 the choice to forgive. It can be freeing to forgive but there are some things that

01:18:51.040 are unforgivable and then there are some things where it's kind of just up to you.

01:18:55.460 Do you have any other things, Jordan, that are kind of things we have that Christianity doesn't?

01:19:02.840 The truth?

01:19:08.760 Sold.

01:19:09.640 All right.

01:19:15.960 Pardon me.

01:19:16.940 It was close to my son in bedtime, and I think he's trying to haggle for fruit snacks.

01:19:25.460 let's see oh um jace cameron of montana sent me a question over text it was getting too busy

01:19:35.220 apart i'm sure i wouldn't ask it before i forget because i will forget uh this is the next generation

01:19:40.100 of australia inspire you would be better uh what about you jordan go ahead and talk about that

01:19:46.500 can you repeat that i couldn't hear you for a second oh um jace asked does the future generation

01:19:52.740 younger generation of house to inspire you better yes yeah i uh now that i i got that yeah um for

01:20:01.940 sure i mean that's we're doing this for the ice here and then we're also doing it for our future

01:20:09.220 folk so when we see so many of our members having these amazing beautiful families um you know that's

01:20:17.700 just even more reason to to double down on our efforts even more of a reason to keep going at it

01:20:24.340 right and make this as glorious as it can be both for the icer for our folks own benefit

01:20:30.900 i would struggle to think of any uh sane person that wouldn't be inspired by that to be honest

01:20:38.500 yeah you know when you first get into this i think i know when i first started

01:20:43.140 vault building it sounds selfish looking back and maybe it was and it's not my motivation now but i

01:20:49.140 saw another guy take his vault builder out and all the kind of the pride he had and the people

01:20:54.900 around him you know hailing his name assemble and such i thought wow i want that and again it's not

01:21:00.980 the right way to get into it but that is often a motivator for things like that but other motivators

01:21:08.420 should be yeah the god of course and then it just being the right thing to do and then also

01:21:15.780 our kids you know or jason six million kids however many it is now um

01:21:23.380 it should be the future generations by planting those seeds so that tree can grow

01:21:28.260 and produce shade for future generations even though we may not get to enjoy ourselves

01:21:32.660 more questions from album omens i appreciate uh what is one of the most esoteric things

01:21:44.040 that you know about house is real uh you go ahead and think about that esoteric it's like uh asking

01:21:51.920 me about what's my favorite book and i forget every book i've ever read um one of the most

01:21:58.500 esoteric things. I feel like any of the conversations that I have with my mentor in the

01:22:07.300 Godar program, Speckinger's Fawn, we for sure get into the weeds in a good way, in a way that I

01:22:14.640 definitely enjoy getting into. That's something I really love to study on.

01:22:20.220 um i particularly like being able to dig into the translations of names of things whether it's a

01:22:30.440 a person in the lore or a river or a tree right and using that structurally speaking when you're

01:22:39.660 trying to parse through what the myths mean right that they are symbols and images that convey

01:22:45.320 knowledge from our ancestors about divine reality uh and that plays a part learning what all the

01:22:52.520 names mean right and how they tie in where they're positioned what they're doing um i'd say at that

01:22:57.700 point you're starting to get into the more esoteric side of things and i don't know if you want like

01:23:02.300 an exact example but that's my uh my conceptual reply yeah um now there need to be um looking at

01:23:13.460 That literal translation of names and stuff, the lore is super important.

01:23:19.020 In particular, I can just go with the Locasena and kind of read what everybody's names means

01:23:24.260 in that particular scene, it kind of opens up a lot of neat doors.

01:23:29.840 My thing, I guess, for this question would be the runes in general, but in specific,

01:23:38.880 that we also pointed out a few years ago,

01:23:42.100 and we kind of circle back to the renown

01:23:43.780 and sort of look into it and see if we can find anything new.

01:23:47.320 So, in the Anglo-Phrisian runes,

01:23:52.360 with the Northumbrian rune row added,

01:23:55.620 Northumbria being like Southern Scotland, Northern England,

01:24:00.760 which had lots of ties to the Gaelic world,

01:24:03.820 just due to proximity and such.

01:24:05.500 Those four Northumbrian runes correlate, one for one, to the four treasure of the Tua de Don,

01:24:14.940 if I'm pronouncing that right, of Gaelic mythology.

01:24:18.440 Yeah, so there's the Arunstan, which is like a stone, or the Stone of Destiny, essentially,

01:24:26.620 that English kings are coronated on, or used to be coronated on, back before we gave it

01:24:31.220 back to Scotland.

01:24:34.020 fourth i believe is the flaming sword of

01:24:39.060 nuata i think again i'm not an expert on gail i have to look at my notes to kind of specifically

01:24:46.260 get each one um the grawl rune is the holy grail or what the holy grail is based on no that's the

01:24:54.820 that the dagda has the call the undry cauldron yeah exactly um the fourth one oh it's gar the

01:25:05.220 spear incidentally that spear would also be gunir of the allfather of course whatever else be lube

01:25:11.460 spear not that lube and the allfather are one for one definitely the same but there's

01:25:19.220 a decent argument we made that they are it's not important necessarily but thank you for

01:25:24.500 saying that because i would i would have gone on a tangent thank you yeah i'm trying not to

01:25:29.940 like physically fight years um so yeah northumbrian rubro connection to the holy grail and uh

01:25:40.020 also just generally kind of looking for connections between the different

01:25:45.780 cultural or subcultural lenses of the different indo-europeans

01:25:49.380 or the one single indo-european pantheon the different cultural views of it and how they

01:25:55.860 kind of stack up like thor being tyrannis etc uh next question do you think that

01:26:07.300 rune magic is synonymous with more necessary for worship and house of truth

01:26:13.260 uh the word in the question confuses me a bit um

01:26:18.560 i don't i'm gonna say yes with the caveat yeah rune magic is at its lowest level of

01:26:29.740 like gaulder during bloat uh i would definitely say that's

01:26:34.380 necessary maybe not necessary but it's extremely helpful and i would encourage

01:26:44.280 every bloat has to come galder um my goki mentor for example taught me to kind of before bloat

01:26:51.820 ground and center myself um with a few different techniques the moment by galdering a ring

01:26:57.320 and kind of when you're galdering it you sort of focus on the vibration of your voice

01:27:03.220 but also concentrate on that idea that every breath you're using for that is a link to the All-Father,

01:27:12.300 since he gave us on the breath of life when our people were first made.

01:27:18.620 What do you think, George?

01:27:20.420 Yeah, I also interpret that question as like how important is knowledge of the runes in terms of worship and how it's true.

01:27:27.560 um i think i would say i'm with you and that it's very helpful in certain circumstances just

01:27:34.040 in general like when we're doing bloat um but i would say it's not necessarily like critical to

01:27:41.000 start building relationships with the icer right like it's something that you can delve into if

01:27:47.040 you want to understand the mysteries the things that odin you know got for himself and passed

01:27:55.280 along to us via rake right that's that can be very important and you can learn a lot and you can

01:28:02.800 influence a lot and direct your will with that but um if you're just trying to build a relationship

01:28:08.960 with the icer and the ausenior um i'm not going to say it's not important but i also would say

01:28:14.480 it's not critical if that makes sense yeah i agree i mean once so if you had to choose between

01:28:23.360 knowing what yara means and represents or giving a single bloat to austra giving the bloat to

01:28:34.100 austra is infinitely more important yeah that's what i'm getting if you can and you should be

01:28:40.840 able to do both absolutely do both but the gift cycle should always come first and foremost

01:28:47.120 100 percent uh alan omens asks

01:28:57.120 uh simple trove or simple travel excuse me is there any historical evidence of worship of

01:29:06.340 hangdahl i've always been drawn to him and make my own works to him i don't well i mean

01:29:12.980 historical evidence or like archaeological evidence that's how i interpret that yeah right

01:29:20.800 not that i know of but for what it's worth there is historical evidence just in our lore like in

01:29:26.620 the guilt beginning um it's one of those things like i wish there were a lot more archaeological

01:29:33.260 evidence i you know of any jordan i'm unaware of any place names because that's the first

01:29:38.580 thing that I would have jumped to

01:29:40.940 like you know when you're talking about Lord Thor

01:29:42.980 and you have like Thorsley in England

01:29:44.920 like that is a place name that shows

01:29:47.000 like yes that is Thor's field

01:29:48.300 that our ancestors would have gone to

01:29:50.420 I can't think of an example for

01:29:52.760 Lord Heimdall

01:29:53.460 I want to say I've seen

01:29:56.700 perhaps him depicted on a runestone

01:29:58.840 somewhere but don't quote me

01:30:00.940 on it

01:30:01.300 As far as place names that might attest to his worship, we're fairly certain that because

01:30:14.440 the name Haimdall means something like Home Dale, Home Valley, or Home Fire, like Hearth

01:30:20.660 Fire, in Old English people think his name is probably Hama, like you see in the modern

01:30:30.620 english as ham not like pork but like in birmingham rotherham rothram um and so

01:30:39.020 people think that uh possibly some other english names that have ham or ham in them somewhere

01:30:47.580 could have been relating to hamdahl it's a stretch in most cases but that's the closest

01:30:54.540 can think of as far as archaeological evidence of worship um but that's great he's always been

01:31:02.620 drawn to him and you uh kind of give you give bloke to him that's really really cool that you

01:31:11.340 very important and pious that you felt it necessary because you have that relationship with him um

01:31:19.340 my colleague and kinsman uh speckner young uh ian his wife also had a pretty close relationship

01:31:26.700 with haim doll and that's who our our kindred is named after actually uh rings blood which

01:31:31.420 uh jordan is a prospective member of exciting um but yeah uh there are a good bit of our folks that

01:31:38.860 do kind of have that connection or a connection to hanging dollar and specifically seeking him out

01:31:45.260 um being sort of that guardian of the thresholds right as far as the icer anyway the watchman the

01:31:52.700 uh flame on the waves born at the edge of the world he has some of the more fascinating canons

01:31:58.380 for what it's worth not to sound impious like his cannings are better but his cannings are

01:32:05.020 my favorite canons other than baldur's actually baldur's got some really important ones

01:32:10.460 uh our omens with another question he says why in your opinion is polytheism the correct way

01:32:22.820 rather than simplicity and monotheism yeah absolutely so to me

01:32:32.660 when you observe the world you can see a variety of different forces and strings pulling in many

01:32:42.840 different directions right i think the explanation of there being many gods and many different kinds

01:32:51.660 of forces um you know we are true to the isir but the other things exist right like if you're

01:32:58.800 talking about the yachtins those those entropic forces of chaos those ancient beings that are so

01:33:04.440 often in conflict with the icer especially if they are thursar but this middle world is an

01:33:11.280 interplay of so many different forces it's clear to me just from observation of the natural world

01:33:17.560 that there isn't one singular thing that controls everything things compete things struggle

01:33:23.400 against one another and you have different kinds of forces that intermingle and create

01:33:28.340 the reality that we have so i think polytheism explains that way better than monotheism and

01:33:34.580 our ancestors would agree i mean there's there's a lot of evidence that the specific parts of our

01:33:39.460 myth just from comparative mythology you can see that they are very likely at least 20 000 years

01:33:45.220 old different components of our myths so it's something that our ancestors who weren't stupid

01:33:50.740 and lived and died by these beliefs you know they held to it for that long after that much

01:33:57.460 observation in that many generations i think there's something powerful to that

01:34:03.380 yeah absolutely my answer is less um intellectual than jordan's uh that was a good one but

01:34:14.500 polytheism is the correct way rather than monotheism just

01:34:20.900 just because it is and i mean i'll explain why i was going to do that but

01:34:27.460 if you've been to a good bloat an afa bloat or otherwise but a good bloat is usually an afa bloat

01:34:34.580 um you will know that bloat to different gods or goddesses have different feelings to them

01:34:43.640 yes i kind of told the story earlier of um go people at the time doing a bloat to ostra

01:34:50.280 that felt and this is what kind of convinced me this was real this particular point is that it

01:34:56.960 felt different from the bloat to the all-father there were similarities that kind of feeling of

01:35:03.840 electricity i guess to kind of make it sound something bigger than you yeah that kind of

01:35:13.140 feeling of power it was um frankly a more feminine power during the austral bloat um

01:35:20.840 And it kind of, because I felt that one feeling from the, from Founder MacDallan, I was here

01:35:28.860 to go to MacDallan's time, his bloat to the Allfather, Friday night, and then Saturday

01:35:33.080 morning, a different, second, similar, but different, distinct feeling from Goethe Clavel's

01:35:43.100 ostrogloat that was what showed me so okay this is real and polytheism specifically is real yep and

01:35:57.260 i mean yeah that everything jordan said for sure that's a very good way to put it

01:36:03.180 because i'm not going to be convinced by my life i was there i saw an argument but um

01:36:09.100 um yeah it monotheism too is fairly unnatural I can't speak for other groups and peoples

01:36:18.760 that they very well they only have one God I don't know um the Semitic people seem to think

01:36:26.140 they only have one there's archaeological evidence that was not always the case yeah even that I

01:36:31.540 won't get into the weeds on all the details unless people want me to but uh even that was forced and

01:36:36.520 recently than people think yeah so even even that's not natural that was very deliberately

01:36:42.760 pushed by one sect of their native faith right and like i said even if they're correct and their

01:36:49.880 specific group only has one god cool good for them whatever our folk don't we had many um and that's

01:36:58.440 why the part of why we're so big on pan areas too it's all of the european cultures they have

01:37:04.920 have the same pantheon of gods viewed through different cultural endings as we like to say.

01:37:11.880 But pretty much all of those gods and all of those forces are always there in some form.

01:37:18.920 Um, Owl of Omens asks, if you both have a good relationship with the goddesses, do you

01:37:27.420 feel that young men should have relationships with goddesses if they're imbalancing or do

01:37:31.920 men have too much femininity uh speaking for myself i feel i have a decent relationship with

01:37:42.240 the goddesses as a young man though yeah i i certainly feel like i relate more to um someone

01:37:49.760 like lord thor or balder um but yeah just from various life experiences i have kind of built

01:37:58.160 relationships with the goddesses and i think i think probably for all men with a normal life of

01:38:04.320 you know they're going to slowly develop relationships with the oustinger as well

01:38:11.120 and i think even maybe for women you know they slowly develop relationships with the male

01:38:15.920 i see her specifically um just examples i guess uh so i mentioned that austra bloke

01:38:24.480 she's always the first goddess i think i know she is not foremost among the goddesses that would be

01:38:28.720 mother frig obviously i'll get to her but ostrich because of the current ulterior goku bloat at that

01:38:36.240 time um that convinced me that this was real and that holly theism specifically is what was going

01:38:44.000 on so to speak um she's always held a special place in my heart and kind of i love that change

01:38:52.320 from uh winter to spring anyway so that you know that really connected things for me when i was

01:38:59.920 starting out uh and then of course um my son being born we uh we lost two pregnancies kind

01:39:09.760 of back to back before we got pregnant with william and so uh that kind of

01:39:15.440 made us go through a lot of time of prayer to free and there was one of the times where

01:39:25.600 we kind of finished this little two-person bloke to free and we both just sort of like

01:39:31.600 felt it we were like okay you know this will work out we're gonna we're gonna have a kid

01:39:36.480 it'll work out and then you know days later uh right before we were about to go up to

01:39:40.720 boulders honk um in 2024 we found out you know she was pregnant and you know she was kind of

01:39:48.480 fearing another miscarriage just because of our history but i was so certain i was like no

01:39:52.640 it'll be fine and uh not to brag i was right ups for me women are wrong boo no um but yeah i was

01:40:03.040 right and it was great and yeah every day that i kind of see my son i i think about like you

01:40:10.880 know this was a gift from fray where he's real and she gifted me with this little dude that

01:40:17.200 likes to throw cars at me um yeah um young mentioned absolutely these relationships with

01:40:26.000 the alzheimer it's and like i said it's easier said than done kind of at first there are things

01:40:33.600 in life that will humble you so to speak and make you relate to them but yeah absolutely don't be

01:40:38.560 afraid and go out of your way and try and make that happen yeah when the guilt beginning lists

01:40:44.080 the icier and the al senior i mean it it's pretty explicit right who are who are the gods that are

01:40:50.720 good for men to pray to by men like the folk people in general right and um you know it's

01:40:58.000 never a bad thing to build those relationships even though i would agree right our men are men

01:41:03.520 and our women are women and we each have our own part to play in things but the more you get older

01:41:08.560 and you come together and start a family you know your relationship changes both with each other and

01:41:14.080 with the gods yeah absolutely um one of the stories the altars of the always tells it's uh

01:41:24.320 one of his first kind of prayers was to freya so you know you absolutely should worship the

01:41:31.680 gods and the goddesses but it nobody's going to be upset at like a 19 year old for hailing thor

01:41:40.560 and some more often than he hails Pola, right. And I think that's probably in my estimate

01:41:51.660 as a 30 year old, you know, do men have too much kind of femininity? I assume you mean

01:42:00.160 like we have too much masculinity to kind of be worshipping goddesses? No, but I think

01:42:08.160 going through life will set you on the path like kind of in due time of

01:42:18.240 not like embracing your inner femininity or whatever bs therapy speak type of thing but

01:42:25.600 appreciating femininity you know yeah um

01:42:31.600 that's the best way i can think of it uh

01:42:38.160 we have a question for jordan specifically from miss tangela robichaud uh she says jordan

01:42:44.000 what advice have you for an apprentice folder who is on the brink of othing on the brink of othing okay

01:42:51.680 Okay, so my approach when I was an apprentice, and this is something that I pass down to my apprentices now that I have a couple, and this is more for the lead up to the oath, right?

01:43:04.480 Live as if you have already taken it and it will become very apparent whether it's something that you want to continue doing or not or should continue doing or not.

01:43:16.200 And then when you actually do take that oath, do not treat it as the finish line.

01:43:22.220 That is the starting point.

01:43:24.500 I think that's probably the most prescient advice that I could give.

01:43:31.440 Yeah, definitely.

01:43:32.420 that's a the other advice that i always give at oh things and hopefully that will be at your

01:43:40.980 oh thing angela you certainly deserve it um if i'm there i'll probably give this advice again but

01:43:48.900 i always tell people not to rest on their laurels um because we've all seen it before right you get

01:43:54.020 the oath and then you kind of you think all right i made it i'm done that's incorrect you should

01:44:00.180 think okay i took this extra step you know there's more steps or more walking to do ahead and some

01:44:06.980 people like to say it just hold on and that's great that's fine um but there's more road to be

01:44:12.580 traveled more work to be done we need both boat builders helping teach apprentices like jordan

01:44:18.820 and others have done we need both builders just kind of being there to continue to be a beacon to

01:44:25.780 their folk as the oath says yeah and now you have sworn an oath to do that so you know do it yeah

01:44:33.060 right um other advice i i would give i know it wasn't for me but it's my show tonight so

01:44:41.780 all the questions are from me in theory um is to

01:44:48.100 every day kind of not every day i guess you're not going to remember to do every day but as

01:44:53.060 often as you can sort of take stock of your strengths and your weaknesses and be honest with

01:44:57.380 yourself and think about what you can improve for the gods and for the folk i think that's

01:45:06.220 important to do and again another thing it's easier said than done i don't do that myself

01:45:11.820 often enough i need to get back in the habit of that and read the oath that you took somewhat

01:45:17.700 regularly just as another refreshing point yeah i um yeah i have my ordination certificate above

01:45:26.580 my altar and i i kind of glance at it every morning i shouldn't stop and read it every

01:45:31.780 morning and get in a hurry and i kind of just glance yeah my other thing uh certificates on

01:45:38.100 my author yep mine hangs right above it that's good i'm glad that caught on it's a good way to

01:45:44.660 do it um austin in wisconsin says good evening both looking sharp tonight yeah i heard jordan

01:45:53.380 was going to be here i just bruised myself up to him and outshine me um questions for both what

01:45:59.140 made you want to become gothar what qualities of character does it take to become one who should

01:46:03.380 be interested in thanks for all of you uh appreciate the questions and for the the thanks um

01:46:10.180 i want to let you answer those first

01:46:16.100 qualities for becoming a member of the gothar did i hear that correctly sorry my ac was running

01:46:24.420 yeah are you able to see the little question inside chat

01:46:31.060 here let me just make sure i'm confirming that on the side chat here

01:46:34.020 while you do um yeah what made you want to become gothar

01:46:40.000 become one you should be interested

01:46:43.420 okay yeah i see it there we go yeah sorry my uh my speakers are being a little goofy tonight

01:46:57.940 Not always the loudest, but, well, I am in the Go With Our program currently.

01:47:05.160 I'm a student.

01:47:08.060 What made me want to do it, it really boils down to my experience both before and after joining the AFA.

01:47:20.020 um the emotions that i had when i first discovered house true um they're very special to me and if i

01:47:28.900 can be a part of passing that on to someone else and helping build those relationships between our

01:47:34.500 folk and the icer i think that's worth doing you know if it's something that you can do well

01:47:40.420 or at least you think you can do well and want to try to do um i enjoy digging into the lore a lot

01:47:46.900 But on top of that, you know, I know not everyone has to be a lore nerd, so to speak.

01:47:52.320 But, you know, I really enjoy digging into the theology of things and picking through that and trying to parse through the knowledge that our ancestors left that as we continue to build relationships with the Aesir now.

01:48:05.380 um and it just really stems kind of in the same reasoning of why i became a folk builder right

01:48:12.220 because it's it's something that is um i feel i'm capable of doing it and it's a service to

01:48:18.160 our folk and it's worth doing um i think that's probably the clearest way i can put it

01:48:22.880 yeah i think so um what made you want to become go far uh

01:48:37.040 i don't really have an exact moment i don't think i kind of uh

01:48:45.360 right after i took my full filter in 2019 at winter nights in the poconos um

01:48:50.720 Githya K.B. Erickson was ordained, and right after, you know, we do fold-gilder oaths in

01:48:57.280 Gotar, and so she was ordained right after my fold-gilder oath, and me and another guy

01:49:04.240 were kind of like, yeah, I think that's the next step. And we used to have this application

01:49:11.960 for the Gotar program, you had to sort of fill out, and it asked why you want to go

01:49:18.480 your githya and i am sure i gave some generic answer and i really wish i had a better answer

01:49:24.800 for why i wanted to go again but i know that kind of once i got started on the path and it was where

01:49:31.600 i was supposed to be it's okay i think that you just felt a calling yeah right that's kind of

01:49:38.320 like a cop-out answer so i feel bad with that but there is a kind of a kind of power in aligning

01:49:44.800 yourself with um the right action and what the norm uh scold has is weaving for you right she

01:49:55.120 represents that which should be and i should have been a goatee right at least i think so

01:50:01.840 uh and so that's what i did there was a certain clarity in that that i found it kind of just

01:50:10.400 stuck out to me. Seeing Katie Erikson be ordained, I don't know if I just felt like I needed to,

01:50:17.520 I guess. And since then, I've been able to hopefully make a difference in people's lives

01:50:23.960 and inspire them and get them to work on their relationship with the gods. And it's hopefully

01:50:31.640 it's made a difference somewhere for someone. Yeah, I guess that's the best answer I have for

01:50:37.940 that part. What qualities of character does it take to become one? Patience. A level of

01:50:47.320 intelligence, of course. A willingness to ignore the All Fathers advice to be middling

01:50:55.520 wise. As Goatthaw, we are trained in counseling. And part of that is hearing the words of

01:51:07.920 things from people who are in the toughest moments of their lives at times

01:51:12.360 we've had with our answer calls right after their own child committed suicide

01:51:18.900 to his way you know we had calls of people that realized their marriage was

01:51:24.900 over or various horrible things and it's when you kind of decide to step into

01:51:33.060 that role you are like I said you are waving away the all-fathers advice to be

01:51:38.880 minimalized and you are accepting the burden the responsibility of being able

01:51:47.760 to kind of peek behind certain curtains so to speak and see people at their at

01:51:56.220 at their worst, at their lowest.

01:52:02.160 So you can deal with that, hence the patience,

01:52:07.160 to understand that our people are not far from it.

01:52:13.680 We're at our lowest that we've been in a long time

01:52:18.000 as a collective.

01:52:19.700 And you can deal with the good and the bad

01:52:22.200 and the ugly of that.

01:52:24.720 And

01:52:26.220 I know I mentioned Al's truth is not have an obligation to forgive, and we don't, neither do the go-to-bar, but there is an obligation to give chances to an extent and to be understanding of people's plight and people's perspectives.

01:52:44.280 You need to have the intelligence to do that and the wisdom to do that, and a lot of that is kind of learned over time.

01:52:51.380 It's not something that most people can quickly grasp.

01:52:55.120 We have more intelligent men than myself, such as Jordan or Chris Savage that can probably pick that up quickly than I did, but it is still an acquired skill.

01:53:07.760 But as long as you have a willingness to acquire that skill, that'll take you a long way.

01:53:15.520 Another quality, though, is to be constantly willing to look at your strengths and weaknesses, like I said to Angela, and kind of ascertain where you're at with those things and to be willing to constantly build brick by brick what you want to be.

01:53:35.140 As far as who should be interested, anyone that that little soliloquy didn't scare off, I guess.

01:53:44.660 uh to get on that path i guess you can just start as an apprentice full builder you can

01:53:52.100 email specker cliff erickson who is our full builder coordinator if you're interested in doing

01:53:56.660 that um from there if you were to take a full builder oath um i think our current plan is

01:54:06.740 the ulterior go with the inspector once a year or so we'll kind of ask the old builders if any of

01:54:13.140 and we're interested in applying for the program kind of talk with you and assess whether or not

01:54:19.460 you're ready for that so there is a path to that it's not we get emails occasionally from people

01:54:25.940 that are like i want to be a norse pagan gofi how do i do it instantly there's no instant

01:54:30.980 way to do it we don't do the like nine years of training skilliness that the northern society does

01:54:35.620 either but there is work that needs to be put in there are calls to attend there are skills to

01:54:41.780 learn and there are wisdoms to be shared etc

01:54:50.180 another wombat asks are all the european gods the same

01:54:57.220 and then do they equate the same gods but from different people

01:55:01.060 what say you jordan

01:55:04.580 so one thing that really plays into that for me

01:55:08.100 is the fact that most of the european folk stem from one um you know similar ethnic background

01:55:19.300 right that's what makes us a folk especially when it comes to our our languages and there's those

01:55:24.100 three and i won't get too into the weeds but there's those three main um ancient populations

01:55:30.580 that go into modern europeans right there's the early neolithic farmers there's the western

01:55:35.700 hunter-gatherers and the western steppe herders which you would recognize as the indo-europeans

01:55:40.580 and it's through that religiosity for the most part that we get the wisdom of our ancestors and

01:55:46.260 their relationships uh with the icier passed down to us so i think it's perfectly reasonable to say

01:55:56.340 that when you go back into the bronze age and you have that unified religiosity in that continuum

01:56:02.500 Over there, Eastern Europe, between the Baltic and the Black Sea, as we mentioned earlier, that perhaps in one region of that people, as they moved into another part of Europe, the kennings that they possessed for one of the gods is what stuck versus another part of the continuum when they moved along, a different kenning stuck.

01:56:22.840 And over time, based on their geography, their needs, their own culture at the time, the lens that they had, the way that they view and have relationships with the gods is what changed, essentially, right?

01:56:37.280 So you have time and geographical space that changes people's relationships.

01:56:42.720 but when you're talking about europe specifically i believe personally that you're looking at the

01:56:48.560 same gods they are the gods of our folk through specific cultural lenses depending on which group

01:56:53.720 you're talking about something else to consider too and you know everything jordan says correct

01:57:02.400 but uh something to think about is that like it it is just objectively correct that the different

01:57:13.360 gods of europe are one pantheon and i'll explain i'm not trying to be a jerk but uh

01:57:19.600 yeah so if we believe in the isere truly and wholeheartedly we have a connection to our people

01:57:28.640 then we are kind of forced logically to contend with the idea of panarianism and i say that

01:57:38.200 because i've gotten this argument a lot on twitter mostly um from like atheists that just think odin

01:57:46.080 is cool she is that's fine but um they'll say no the norse gods are only for the norse people

01:57:52.840 they're only local to this part of europe what you don't actually believe they exist or i guess

01:58:00.680 if you actually believe in them and you recognize that they are gods then you have to kind of ask

01:58:06.680 yourself too at and if they're somehow different from those original aryan deities how when did

01:58:14.280 that start and if that's the case but you still acknowledge that the scandinavians come from those

01:58:20.840 original Aryans, then shouldn't you worship those original Aryan gods, not

01:58:25.280 the Norse gods, if you're truly fulkish and you want to go back as far as

01:58:28.940 possible. You can ask simple questions like at what point did that one

01:58:36.020 single pantheon of Aryan gods out on the steppes, the you know probably southern

01:58:41.900 Russia, Eastern Ukraine, Hyperboreal, whatever your view of it is, where at what

01:58:48.140 point did they split off into multiple pantheons that are all strikingly similar and whose names

01:58:57.020 often mean the same things and yeah yeah exactly same stories and all this well the the reason we

01:59:07.100 focus on the you know the norse side of things it's very simple and pragmatic reason right in

01:59:14.300 the modern day um first and foremost the relationship that founder mcnalen built with

01:59:21.980 the all-father that's how the gods reach back out to us to reforge house true right like that is the

01:59:30.780 lens that for whatever reason in the weavings of fate that is how our people are rekindling

01:59:37.100 our relationship with the icier um and through that lens we have a wealth of lore we have a

01:59:43.740 a wealth of poetry and prose and archaeology and language and a lot of things that we can

01:59:49.580 use to, I would say, start that fire, right? And then build the actual relationships that we have

01:59:59.080 with the Aesir organically and learn from there with that as a starting point. So pragmatically,

02:00:04.980 you know, that's why we have a Norse focus, even if we would say that the, you know,

02:00:10.380 the gods of the European folk are one pantheon.

02:00:20.140 Sorry about that.

02:00:22.260 Yeah, absolutely.

02:00:26.500 Something important is to kind of realize that when

02:00:32.280 the various heroes I mentioned earlier began that contest

02:00:38.700 to re-forge Alcatru, all of them were called to by the All-Father, or acknowledged by Thor

02:00:48.280 in Alciriope's Fengrim-Bentonson's case, but still, the Aesir in particular.

02:00:57.080 And I mean, that said, in another life or something, parallel universe, if you believe

02:01:01.360 in that stuff, maybe there is some scenario where instead it's Father Zeus that calls

02:01:07.480 to steve mcnallon but well you know in a way it was because like i said the pantheons are all one

02:01:17.320 pantheon but it was all father odin and to be fair not woden or botan although he does prefer

02:01:26.280 botan now when he when he does his own personal prayers to the all father but it was all father

02:01:31.720 odin the o with the accent over it the f instead of the d i two ends right yep so that's part of

02:01:40.200 it um and again same for all those heroes it was all father odin or his son the thunderer

02:01:48.200 um and that is not an answer a lot of people are happy with this truth right it would be silly for

02:01:55.800 founder mcnalen to have this moment with uh you know with the all-father and they go okay

02:02:06.120 all right i get it i need to uh i need to worship sparag of the slavs you know that's stupid uh

02:02:16.760 so yeah that's part of why we do that um that said you know um i mentioned that one of the

02:02:25.480 the more fun, kind of esoteric, brainiac things you can do with Asatru is sort of compare

02:02:31.940 and contrast the different cultural lenses of our gods, like, ah, who would Odin be in

02:02:38.300 this pantheon, who is Thor in this pantheon? Incidentally, Thor is the one that's almost

02:02:42.980 always the easiest to spot, but you get the idea.

02:02:50.000 Connor Odinson says, what are your favorite motivational speeches from any movies?

02:02:56.800 Go ahead, Jordan. I have to think on that.

02:02:59.200 Favorite motivational speeches?

02:03:03.220 I find the video I'm about to talk about is a little too anti-Roman in some ways,

02:03:12.880 which is funny for me saying that as a mostly ethnically Germanic person.

02:03:17.880 but um you know roman empire was cool too but it's a video uh called the consequence of cowardice

02:03:24.840 it's about 20 minutes long and it's uh it's very motivational when you sit down and listen through

02:03:31.960 the whole thing essentially what it means actually to have courage the definition of that

02:03:39.880 and you know the lack thereof in the modern world world that's one of my favorites

02:03:47.880 um i'm gonna be i'm gonna showcase my gen z-ness and give you a video game speech instead

02:03:59.160 and my approximation of it so uh in skyrim if you pick the correct side of the civil war

02:04:08.760 storm cloaks obviously they're literally based on our ancestors so obviously um

02:04:15.400 before you do the big siege battle

02:04:18.200 of the Empire's capital there

02:04:20.040 in Skyrim

02:04:20.660 Ulfric Stormcloak

02:04:23.220 has a whole speech but the part

02:04:26.140 that always sticks out to me is

02:04:27.380 the gods are watching, the spirits

02:04:30.160 of our ancestors are stirring

02:04:31.540 and men born under suns yet

02:04:33.980 the dawn will be changed by what we do here today

02:04:36.120 I've thought about trying to

02:04:37.900 incorporate that in the globe and it sounds a little barry

02:04:40.000 so I haven't

02:04:40.940 but yeah silly as I did it's a video game

02:04:44.120 But like the idea of that. Is something I kind of think about, you know, with all we're doing for the AFA, the gods literally are watching the spirits of our ancestors are literally I'd probably say watching the stirring short men born under suns, yet the dawn will be changed over to do your day.

02:05:04.360 Yeah, hopefully. Well, no, absolutely. It will be. Full stop.

02:05:10.800 I'm going to cut in

02:05:13.700 and do mine too

02:05:15.040 because it's awesome

02:05:16.540 and the Al Seer Gauthier says it all the time too

02:05:19.060 it's not from a movie

02:05:20.040 but it's the most awesome quote ever

02:05:22.820 and that is

02:05:24.840 the man

02:05:26.680 in the arena by

02:05:29.200 well

02:05:34.740 anybody can do

02:05:40.800 If I can get it to pop up, it won't pop up.

02:05:43.620 Yeah, I saw it for like a frame.

02:05:47.020 Yeah, I don't know what it's doing.

02:05:49.120 There we go.

02:05:49.980 Okay.

02:05:50.980 I'm not reading the whole thing, but it's not the critic who counts,

02:05:53.560 not the man who points out how the straw may stumble

02:05:55.640 or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.

02:06:03.520 Yeah, where the doer of deeds could have done them better.

02:06:05.820 The credit belongs to the man who's actually in the arena,

02:06:08.100 whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood so if you're not the one actually doing the deed

02:06:14.020 uh stop your complaining or uh fix it and do it better yeah i've actually got another one

02:06:22.020 uh it just kind of came to me i'm spacing the author's name it's a more modern piece of poetry

02:06:28.020 um then out spake brave voracious the captain of the gate to every man upon this earth death

02:06:34.320 cometh soon or late and how can man die better than facing fearful odds for the ashes of his

02:06:40.800 fathers and the temples of his gods yeah when you started you said horatius i was like oh yeah i

02:06:49.220 remember that one now i'm just taking a cool quote so yeah sure here's another okay so uh

02:06:56.300 totila one of the last kings of the oscar gods in uh a final battle against the romans and i

02:07:02.560 cannot remember the name of the battle I think I've probably posted the quote

02:07:06.700 somewhere I can look it up with my gunna he said show yourselves men this day or

02:07:14.740 tomorrow it will be too late and that kind of as you can see there's a very

02:07:19.660 common thing with all of these quotes so far actually good deeds should be done

02:07:26.980 it it's easy to sit back you know your big comfy chair and judge somebody's

02:07:37.660 form on deadlift or whether or not the mural of one of our halls looks how you

02:07:44.760 would want it look and that's something you know we get that a lot on social

02:07:51.980 be mostly Twitter Twitter the cesspool yeah our biggest tool as far as

02:07:58.400 recruitment it's almost as bad as read it but a lot of the criticisms we get are

02:08:03.920 just things like well you're all kind of this why don't your half have that and

02:08:08.700 one of my favorite things y'all's here and go to used to do I think he just

02:08:11.120 ignores on that we used to say that's a good where's your boss look like and

02:08:14.840 they never have one or anywhere in the process of getting one or will they ever

02:08:20.900 me unless they make the right decision to join us in which case we'll be glad to have them

02:08:27.380 depending on who it is and just to properly attribute that horatius quote is thomas babington

02:08:34.980 mccauley from his ladies of ancient rome see norman's had some cool stuff uh

02:08:43.940 We got a donation from

02:08:49.540 Havatha in

02:08:51.160 Missouri.

02:08:55.960 Yes, sir. That's that good Georgia

02:08:57.980 education.

02:09:00.340 They're in the Missouri education.

02:09:02.160 I'd be willing to bet.

02:09:03.760 To be fair, I graduated Georgia and went to

02:09:05.920 college in Georgia, so no

02:09:07.720 spoken here.

02:09:09.420 Yeah, right.

02:09:10.040 Donated $100 to the New York South Restoration.

02:09:14.460 Thank you, Tabitha.

02:09:15.580 If you're not a member, I hope you become one.

02:09:18.660 Missouri is one of our states that's slowly growing.

02:09:23.580 She is a wonderful member.

02:09:25.400 I've met her.

02:09:26.220 She's great.

02:09:30.400 I feel like I might have met her, too.

02:09:31.980 If I have met you, Tabitha, and I don't recognize her, I'm sorry.

02:09:36.260 Oh, Austria, two, three years.

02:09:40.040 ago at thorsoff oh yeah okay if it's the tabitha i'm thinking of i think she was at yortsoff too

02:09:48.280 this year yeah all right the one with the doggy yes yes okay yeah okay miss tabitha yeah

02:09:58.680 she was quite awesome yeah she was a decent thing and she was on mine and

02:10:03.960 jordan's wacky adventure at the end of that trip oh yeah

02:10:10.040 We had to

02:10:11.740 sit in a vehicle

02:10:14.540 with Madison

02:10:16.580 and a thankfully not very cranky

02:10:18.600 William while Jordan and I

02:10:20.580 helped a member with his car

02:10:22.380 fun times.

02:10:27.020 Let's see.

02:10:30.220 Another

02:10:30.600 wombat, 8888,

02:10:32.440 asks, and how do the gods

02:10:34.380 transfer into the idea of Pan-Arianism?

02:10:39.040 Thank you.

02:10:40.040 you know me like how we how we look at it through a specific lens but we're still panarian

02:10:47.800 i think that's perhaps what that's getting at hey she has a she um they have a related question

02:10:54.020 um below the specific for you so i'll let you answer it uh how do we reconcile the idea of

02:10:59.960 the dramatic gods and the idea of panarianism i guess you kind of already answered it but go ahead

02:11:04.860 answer again more specifically yeah i mean it's just

02:11:10.700 there are so many different ethnic groups within europe like if i'm let me give an example and

02:11:18.360 perhaps that will illustrate the point so pretend there's a person uh john doe right and there's

02:11:25.960 one other guy who knows john doe at work and there's another guy who knows john doe from the

02:11:32.500 uh the buffalo wild wings every game night right it's still john doe the guy is still the guy

02:11:39.940 but the person who knows john doe at work is going to have one particular relationship

02:11:45.020 with john doe versus the guy at the bar for the game night is going to have a different kind of

02:11:51.560 interaction with john doe even though you're looking at the same thing um back out of the

02:11:57.300 metaphor here. You know, you have one of our European ethnic groups that are living in

02:12:03.060 Northern Europe, where it's very cold and sometimes sparse versus another one of our

02:12:08.440 European folk who's living in warmer climates. That is a lot easier farmland. They have different

02:12:14.520 concerns. Perhaps they live by an ocean. The gods are the gods, but the individual people are going

02:12:21.080 to put emphasis on different things, and that's going to color their relationship that they have

02:12:26.180 with the icier um i think that's how you reconcile it right you're all looking at the same thing

02:12:31.380 you're just perhaps looking at it from you know one side of a mountain versus the other side of

02:12:35.780 the mountain yeah and uh again this is for jordan but my show uh it's it's on a micro scale each of

02:12:47.460 us has different relationships with the icier uh my relationship to thor as a young man and as

02:12:53.700 someone who prayed him for strength once when I was at boot camp for the army

02:12:58.660 might be different to that of someone like the folk mother Elsie Christensen

02:13:04.560 who was a woman and then a fairly old woman. Her relationship to Thor was

02:13:10.620 probably different right but it's still Thor. So that's a micro scale and you

02:13:15.960 just expand that. That's what a lot of these things are is we are narrowed down

02:13:23.220 in our thinking on a lot of things and oftentimes it's it's better but you know

02:13:29.800 what almost always it's better to look at things from sort of an exploded view

02:13:34.020 like you would have the diagram of some machine right kind of paints the whole

02:13:38.040 picture and lets you see things from different angles and different

02:13:40.320 perspectives and that's something that we need to do more often as a people I

02:13:46.020 think especially when it comes to the ice here because while the Germanic

02:13:52.200 lore in particular that we have the most of um and it paints enough of a picture for us to get by

02:14:01.560 and know that the gifting cycle is important there are still things we can take from the

02:14:07.180 slavs and the vaults the helens the celts um the vedas uh you know so yeah 100 and you know we

02:14:19.040 as the afa of course we look at it through the norse lens because that's how it was

02:14:24.300 um you know heralded into being by founder mcnell right it was through the norse lens

02:14:30.220 but there's absolutely nothing stopping an individual person in their home devotion

02:14:36.480 honoring another type of their ancestry right within europe i would it's not something we'll

02:14:44.160 see where we're doing a dog to bloat at a half because that's one kind of an

02:14:50.260 interesting combination of terminology right not really correct but you know

02:14:54.720 someone's just at home and they're trying to honor their Irish ancestors

02:15:00.440 nothing stopping them yeah absolutely get that question a lot too from from

02:15:09.100 members um that'll be because i mean you know as much as i love that i'm most anglo-saxon and i

02:15:17.340 have a gothic capital group that probably came from you know gothic poland like i'm part celtic

02:15:24.740 too you know so um there's always going to be

02:15:36.580 this sort of want to lean into other parts of your ancestry in that way

02:15:44.820 and in the past when i have been particularly researching my uh my celtic roots i will get

02:15:49.620 blow to lube or dog or morgan etc uh and i've kind of stepped away from that now and i have

02:15:56.660 kind of a better understanding of that exploded view like i mentioned um yes anyway so i my celtic

02:16:05.140 ancestors when i get me on the veil i assume they'll roll their eyes at me and call me a

02:16:09.700 Sassenach or whatever, but I don't think they'll be offended, all right?

02:16:19.140 Another Wombat says the AFA doesn't require a gift, but you have to give a gift every

02:16:25.520 month. What? If you're speaking about Hoftholler, yeah, for two reasons. One, it

02:16:37.540 It is sort of a part of the gifting cycle in a way,

02:16:47.020 because as I mentioned, our clergy are not paid.

02:16:50.000 The Altairagothi gets a very, very small stipend per month

02:16:54.400 to run the AFA, because that is his full-time job.

02:16:58.080 That is what he does all day.

02:17:00.120 But for example, I am one step below him

02:17:03.100 as the other spectators are,

02:17:05.020 none of us get paid the law speaker does more like clerical work i guess in a sense like work work

02:17:14.940 than the rest of us in that way he doesn't get paid your hoff tolder goes to mostly to the hoffs

02:17:22.220 they'll keep paying the bills for the hoffs um they can go to things like south african charity

02:17:27.660 episode two that can go to the afa's general fund where we try and have money stored for emergencies

02:17:34.700 like we had in north off or for uh folk services someone is kind of down on their luck and needs

02:17:41.820 uh helping in uh and yeah unfortunately um shekels are what make our world go round at the moment

02:17:50.140 in a sense i you know i think all of us would love it if that weren't the case but it is

02:17:56.300 right as someone who's like economically lower middle class i'd love it if money weren't that

02:18:02.060 important right but it is and you know it i know people kind of come from christianity to this and

02:18:12.300 they get upset the idea of giving money to the afa but most serious churches actually do request

02:18:21.500 that you do is called tithing t-i-t-h-i-n-g uh when i was a mormon uh as a kid before we lived

02:18:29.100 in a trailer park so we were kind of excused from that but they still encouraged it right because it

02:18:34.940 was an act of piety you are giving of your labor you're giving of yourself of your efforts to

02:18:42.940 something bigger than yourself and while uh i don't want to give money to um a jewish god

02:18:51.260 uh i'm perfectly okay with giving money to my gods and or rather to the church that honors them

02:19:00.860 and brings awareness of them to more of our fold obviously odin doesn't get my little 88 a month

02:19:08.220 but the afa does right and they do good things with it including bulk services which i had

02:19:13.900 myself have needed a long time ago uh what's what's your what's your take on it jordan

02:19:22.940 yeah it's just one of those things that's both in a mundane and a spiritual sense

02:19:28.220 i think necessary right all the mundane reasons that you you listed that hoffs that we

02:19:35.020 We keep nice and dedicated to the ice here that we're able to consistently go into as a folk and offer bloat to them.

02:19:44.000 You know, they have power bills, they have Internet bills, they have water bills.

02:19:48.920 Sometimes stuff happens as we're learning with Njortsov, unfortunately.

02:19:52.960 But even in a more spiritual sense, in a historical sense, this is something that we know our pre-Christian ancestors, when they still had their full troth to the Aesir in that time period, it's something that they did.

02:20:08.800 It's something that they understood that the Gothar of their time were doing necessary work that was good for the community, that helped bridge the relationship between Folk and Isere and upkeep of the Hoffs.

02:20:23.040 And it's just something that we recognize is good to do, and we've brought it into the modern reforging of our faith.

02:20:35.040 Well said.

02:20:36.100 um a bit more intellectual than myself that's always good uh

02:20:41.140 real m walker 9163 says do you guys do forest fights like ravenfold guys

02:20:49.300 um no yeah fights like literally boxing matches in the woods i would think so um

02:21:01.620 we don't we're not opposed to guys doing that lots of the um indiana folk kind of under uh

02:21:09.140 goji rock and folk glitter aiden mcmillens um under their view i guess they uh they do physical

02:21:21.700 training i mean y'all's here goji does japanese jujitsu i think uh i've done some boxing in the

02:21:28.980 past but and and we encourage all of our folk to be physically fit and to yeah to get involved with

02:21:38.260 um martial arts and some kind of physical discipline but we don't have like afa force

02:21:47.140 fights happening now um as for the person that asked the question apologizing for bringing them

02:21:52.980 up in the comments uh you don't have to apologize you don't know the connection between us and them

02:21:57.940 that is absolutely not an issue nothing to apologize for you're fine to ask whatever kind

02:22:03.700 of questions you like um but yeah uh they are that is not something we do but it's not something we

02:22:13.780 like wouldn't do either i guess yeah

02:22:19.380 okay i had two questions for you specifically left jordan

02:22:33.140 um you have a personal favorite afa hero king radbod and prince herman easy answer

02:22:42.020 personally anyway uh king radbot afrisia is uh ever evergreen quote uh paraphrase i'm not sure

02:22:52.560 i can spit it back out word for word but you know it's to the effect of uh you know i'd rather burn

02:22:59.220 with my ancestors and spend an eternity in heaven with a bunch of beggars

02:23:03.720 um i believe that was the the general sentiment of that i think that quote

02:23:09.560 will stand the test of time among our folk within Austro because that is a very powerful

02:23:17.160 sentiment. And then, of course, Prince Herman's decisive military victory. I mean, that one

02:23:24.760 moment in history was such a fork in the road for the Germanic peoples. If he hadn't been successful,

02:23:32.660 the world would look very different than it does today. I think that's very clear. It's just one

02:23:37.480 those pivotal moments in history that he pulled together the forces that he needed with the

02:23:43.240 knowledge that was requisite to go and and crush the legions marching into his land so inspiring

02:23:52.840 stuff yeah absolutely it's also a very pivotal tale that if his folk hadn't been a little yellow

02:24:07.320 collared yellow-bellied and done what they did it might have continued in a better path

02:24:16.360 yeah yeah that's um that's something we kind of talk about a lot too is

02:24:25.640 something our folks specifically specifically northern europeans

02:24:30.760 everybody but the romans basically among our people we've always been horrible at organizing

02:24:37.240 And we like, there's something in us that wants to always split off in these little splinter factions.

02:24:44.860 And that's, not to get too into it once a specific question comes up, that's kind of where Raven Folk comes from, actually, is one of those splinters.

02:24:57.460 And instead of just uniting, our folk always love to want to compete and be kind of the king of their own backyard.

02:25:07.240 um another elder scrolls video game thing there is one of the races of humans in there i think

02:25:18.040 it's the bretons they have the saying find a new hill become a king and that's something that is so

02:25:23.400 um such a part of our people's souls for whatever reason everybody wants to start a new thing and

02:25:32.200 me in charge of a new thing they don't want to be under the guy who already started a bigger more

02:25:38.080 successful thing and i get that you know um i in the afa i'm certainly a man of hierarchy and

02:25:47.160 authority even when the authority is above me but elsewhere in my life i've always kind of

02:25:53.600 i've been a bit of a jerk i'm not crazy about like people at work for example my day job of

02:26:00.500 just operating machines essentially like acting like they have any business telling me what to do

02:26:05.940 ever always rubs me the wrong way even when they're correct about something like i get it i do it's

02:26:11.280 in me too it's not i'm not above that per se but when it comes to important things like uniting

02:26:19.280 the folk in worship of the isere or in prince herman's case uniting the german folk specifically

02:26:27.780 in casting off the roman yoke and thriving as a people we need to learn to let that go

02:26:35.600 um well we can't afford it yeah right especially right now we can't afford to keep splintering

02:26:43.720 at some point the wood stops turning into splinters and it just becomes it's nothing right it um

02:26:53.660 it's not worth it and i know everybody wants to be in charge i

02:26:58.780 i'm very blessed to have a position i have where i am semi in charge of a few things with the afa

02:27:06.080 and it's cool i enjoy it but i wasn't always in charge i was just a member for a while and i'm

02:27:12.160 just an apprentice full builder etc etc and every step of the way i recognize that the current

02:27:20.880 Ulterior Goethe and the previous one for the brief time that he was Ulterior Goethe during

02:27:24.960 my membership. They were in charge for a reason or are in charge for a reason. The current

02:27:29.860 Speckengar, not to toot mine and my colleague's horns, but where we're at for a reason. Current

02:27:35.100 Goethe are at where they are for a reason. The Allfather ordained our founder, Stephen

02:27:42.780 McNallan himself, and that ordination was passed on to the current Ulterior Goethe Mount

02:27:49.300 the bell. Is anyone ordained by him or by Steve previously that's still around? And that has to

02:27:55.440 mean something, because if that doesn't mean anything, you have to ask yourself, why not?

02:28:01.300 And I don't think you'll like the answer that it comes to if you're honest with yourself.

02:28:09.540 Got a bit far afield of the question there. It wasn't a question for me. It was a question I

02:28:14.460 ask somebody else so sorry but all worth saying um no 100 let's see what else okay yeah one last

02:28:27.140 question for you specifically which hop is your current favorite and why and you don't have to

02:28:32.720 no no no no when you hear me explain you will believe me okay okay so before i joined the afa

02:28:45.800 i had never done a large spiritual out of true event right i mean i joined in late july of 2022

02:28:55.400 And my first thing that I did in the AFA was actually a moot down at a mead brewery down in southeastern Alabama.

02:29:05.960 You know, I drove a few hours from where I'm at to get to that and a few hours back.

02:29:10.040 And it was such a, you know, freeing experience to finally be around people that I knew were my people.

02:29:19.660 Right. That we were all on the same page, that we worship the same gods, the gods of our ancestors.

02:29:25.400 And then not long after that was the dedication of New York's off.

02:29:29.320 So like right as I'm joining, that's the first thing I get, you know, exposure to essentially.

02:29:35.120 So the first thing is driving down that Friday night before.

02:29:41.900 And I remember at my home park, I basically knelt down and I went, hmm, I could either drive right now after work and make it pretty late at night.

02:29:55.400 but i'll be there all day for saturday or i'll just wake up really early um you know saturday

02:30:03.240 and then make the drive and i did i did a rune poll about it actually perhaps maybe not the uh

02:30:09.080 the most pertinent thing to ask uh for in a rune poll but i pulled one rune out and it was um

02:30:15.000 suelo right it was uh the s rune and i was like okay so i got in my car and i drove down

02:30:21.640 Of course, there was the infamous stump incident where about 10 o'clock after I'm making my way over to the Quality Inn down there in White Springs, I high centered my brand new car on a cutout stump there.

02:30:36.080 And I had to be pushed off by the Elshayr Goethe and a couple of other people approaching 11 o'clock at night at that point.

02:30:43.520 But then just the dedication day, that was my first bloat with a group of people, like more than just myself and like maybe one other person.

02:30:51.640 uh so that is always going to be special to me so i'm not sure um you know no matter how many big

02:30:58.780 beautiful uh buildings we get you know obviously like phraseoff for example we just dedicated that

02:31:05.100 last year beautiful beautiful building amazing mural from spawn um but i don't know it's going

02:31:12.820 to be hard to top that first experience so that's why nyort's office my favorite

02:31:16.800 yeah fair enough do you believe me yeah yeah i didn't realize you uh i i felt like you've

02:31:26.540 been around longer than that i guess that's kind of no um i do specifically remember um

02:31:32.960 though when you got caught on that stump people were like hey everybody look some kid got stuck

02:31:37.240 of a stump and i was like oh i still have the picture it's iconic it is um incidentally at

02:31:48.920 the time i didn't have my uh tacoma i had my dodge charger that i'd throw for 10 years but

02:31:55.240 i remember thinking like at least it wasn't me yeah i had silly luck driving i was not the only

02:32:02.600 person to get stuck on something that weekend no that same night i cannot for the life to remember

02:32:08.440 who it was but i know bodie and nick mccloskey and i had to push someone's truck out of really

02:32:13.560 deep mud in that back area like minutes later it felt like yeah no it wasn't just you um

02:32:23.400 my favorite sprays off so

02:32:25.000 So it's the shiny new one.

02:32:28.520 The Eriksons have been waiting to get off since like 2016, probably.

02:32:34.540 And they just do such a great job with it.

02:32:36.960 And I'm like specifically so excited to get up at Blair Nights this month, kind of.

02:32:46.340 Yeah, that one's my current favorite.

02:32:48.900 Sorry, Nordsal.

02:32:52.760 Yeah, that's...

02:32:55.000 All we have as far as questions from me or from the audience so far, do you have any final words of wisdom, Jordan?

02:33:11.700 Final words of wisdom.

02:33:19.160 This is important, what we're doing.

02:33:21.600 I would encourage everyone to make this an important part of their life and to live it and mean it.

02:33:29.260 I think that will give us the best path forward to victory.

02:33:38.360 All right. Well said. All right. Well, Jordan, thanks for being here.

02:33:44.700 Thank you for having me.

02:33:45.800 Please tune in at the same time next week.

02:33:51.040 I think I'm fairly certain

02:33:53.180 it'll be the Altair Goki Inspector Spawn

02:33:55.080 talking about something, something from the lore.

02:33:59.820 They might still be on the Scald Scuffle Mall, I forget,

02:34:02.780 but it would be a good time.

02:34:06.340 And I hope to see you guys in the live chat there.

02:34:09.240 So hail the Iseer, hail the Hulk, hail the AFA.

02:34:14.240 FA. And remember, victory ever sleeps. Good night, everybody. Good night, everyone.

02:34:44.240 We'll be right back.

02:35:14.240 Thank you.

02:35:44.240 Thank you.

02:36:14.240 Thank you.

02:36:44.240 Thank you.

02:37:14.240 Thank you.

Asatru Folk Assembly - October 01, 2026

9⧸30⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 221 - Next Generation of AFA Leadership

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