Asatru Folk Assembly - 9⧸4⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 113 - Völundarkviða

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00:03:00.000 hello and welcome to another exciting edition of victory never sleeps

00:03:16.080 it is our first episode it's hard to believe it's already september

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00:03:30.000 Top of the show stuff. Getting close, but we have Frayer's Harvest Feast coming up this month in just a couple of weeks. That's going to be the 20th through the 22nd. It's in Montana. If anybody can make it, I would love to meet you there.

00:03:48.700 um be my first time attending the event and my first time um visiting a lot of the folks up there

00:03:59.480 and i'm really looking forward to it so i hope to see everybody who can make it um if you're

00:04:04.020 interested please reach out to a full filter they get you all set up and a couple of other things

00:04:11.660 while we've got you in october we got winter nights coming up for the very first time in

00:04:17.840 new hampshire that should be beautiful i'm very excited about it coming up october 11th through

00:04:24.320 the 13th again if you were interested reach out to your local folk builder they get you all set up

00:04:31.280 should be beautiful that time of year and then in november we have a feast of the eye and her yard

00:04:41.920 in south dakota it's gonna be november 8th through the 10th so a lot of stuff coming up in the next

00:04:49.200 uh few months a lot of opportunity for you guys to make it out to an event we would love to see

00:04:54.560 you guys at any or all of these so if you're interested any of our folk builders can get you

00:04:59.920 all set up and uh yeah it's going to be exciting got a lot of powerful ritual work to do and great

00:05:08.800 fellowship time with the folks so i look forward to that

00:05:14.320 couple couple few news and notes items um

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00:07:31.540 time comes. But yeah, thank you everybody who's donated to that. Other top of the show things

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00:07:55.520 tonight we're going to be going into a

00:07:59.960 I don't know, I think

00:08:01.780 often overlooked

00:08:04.160 poem in the Eddis

00:08:07.020 and something that I think

00:08:08.680 would be cooler

00:08:11.540 if it wasn't as fragmentary

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00:08:14.780 but is really special nonetheless and has some really powerful imagery in it

00:08:23.040 and I think is just kind of a neat thing for us to go over.

00:08:28.340 And I think it's apropos that we have Svan here, the son of Iceland,

00:08:36.480 going to go into the story with the swan maidens in it.

00:08:41.420 so swan uh swan what do you got to prep folks what what do we need to know before we go into the uh

00:08:52.220 volander tonight um a couple things one this is one that a lot of people don't know about

00:09:00.540 um and it it's it's more of akin to uh sigurd the dragon slayer it has a lot of historical

00:09:15.680 connections it has a lot of migration period connections um you know most likely this poem

00:09:23.340 um migrated northward and and that's uh another point that we had hit on earlier in in vns was

00:09:32.160 the the um the battle bout between lord odin and lord thor may very well have been an influence

00:09:42.460 coming from the slavic nations specifically pointing at the story of um perun and valace

00:09:49.920 having a battle of words. This too is another example of a northward moving tale. So most

00:10:02.440 likely picked up by the Anglo-Saxons from the Isles, but it has a lot of mentions about the

00:10:10.680 So the origin of the story is probably somewhere between 500 and 800 of the common era.

00:10:20.760 and this is like a uh it it has all of the elements if there is one story that really

00:10:31.560 is just saturated with arian mythos this is this is it i wouldn't i'm not the only one

00:10:42.620 But this is the one that is very hard to top. It has ascendancy. It has, again, the marking of a mortal's life by the gods with a sense of, you know, again, attaining heaven.

00:11:08.120 Uh, it is just, it's, it's worth noting that in certain stories though, there is a vast difference between victims, um, some of the, uh, the victims in the old Norse story.

00:11:21.920 And I think by the time the Old Norse really had written it down, the ascendancy and the idea of humans reaching kind of demi-godhood, if you will, was not entertained too much by society.

00:11:40.480 But I think it was earlier. So you see a lot of questionable things going on, sometimes in the name of revenge, but in other stories, the victim of revenge is actually not even a victim, but is wedded, is a bride.

00:11:59.980 So you see that a lot in these stories. Perfect example as well is in Saxo Grammaticus' version. Lord Odin, he forcefully throws himself upon the princess of the Ukrainians at the time.

00:12:23.400 I'm forgetting their names in the story. They're not called Ukrainians, but it is of the people of that area. And he places this pretty violently, whereas in the Norse, it is clearly a union that's, you know, permissible.

00:12:45.000 And so you'll see this a lot happen where stories will kind of twist the relations between elements and characters in the story for effect.

00:12:59.160 And this is no, this one is very much one that's very, very aggressive, if you will. But we have to bear in mind that these stories have migrated across areas and they do have a tendency to change.

00:13:19.180 Um, most people might be familiar with Wallander, with Wayland of the Anglo-Saxons.

00:13:29.060 Um, and there's no doubt that he was honored, um, amongst the central European Germanic or Teutonic Arians.

00:13:40.040 Um, and there is elements within this story that hearken even to a farther past, um, the construction of wings, much like Daedalus and Icarus, um, in the Greek stories of, of the, uh, inventor, if you will, um, trapped by the Minoans.

00:14:02.900 So, Sagan, I said, or in the Kansas song.

00:14:10.040 the kansas song oh no i'm you gotta you gotta bring me in the loop

00:14:18.840 um no you'll get it the audience will get it nope

00:14:27.240 what i want to say real quick just so everybody can follow along we're going to be going through

00:14:31.800 as always the bellows translation and nick can put up the link but um look at any one that you would

00:14:38.440 like any uh translation you'd like there's value to each but uh veluspau.org is where we're going

00:14:47.000 for our particular translation that way you can kind of follow along at home um

00:14:55.560 yeah that was apologize for the interruption i just want to make sure they're finding it

00:14:59.240 so when we jump in they're ready it kind of gives me a chance to um because my mind goes

00:15:06.360 5,000 times faster than my words. So it gives me a second to kind of reiterate what I'm trying to

00:15:15.780 get across to everyone is that amongst the Anglo-Saxon people of old, Weyland oftentimes

00:15:26.520 would be given offerings as a member of the gods, if you will. Perhaps they would list him as an

00:15:37.300 house, but we don't know. It's not confirmed. We also don't know if the Old Norse gave offering

00:15:46.060 um to him as well and and and what station he held but clearly he is considered elevated

00:15:56.640 a mortal that is upon the earth and then ascends up to the gods um

00:16:06.120 and it's kind of hard for people to differentiate when an author is trying to

00:16:12.760 you hemorrhize or um humanize a uh divine being for various reasons whether it's

00:16:22.200 christianity or for the sake of drama and the story um you know as they do say like uh in the

00:16:32.760 um history of the yinglings lord odin and lord north are you hemorrhized as as people and i've

00:16:41.800 I've spoken on that about how I think that those are representations of their cult, of their following of folk.

00:16:49.620 But in this case, Volander, or Wayland, as the Anglo-Saxons called him, is a mortal who is taking note of his deeds, his deeds of vengeance, his deeds of retribution.

00:17:10.060 And all of these things mark him as being elevated.

00:17:17.720 And this speaks to a very, it's a great topic that very few people bring up.

00:17:25.120 Well, you know, when we look at Saxonaut, when we look at Nehalania, when we look at Volander or Weyland, when we look at shield sheafing, the idea that there is a possibility that they could be ascendant or skirner, excuse me, of skirnismal.

00:17:52.480 And I don't mean this in any sort of disrespect. But again, these beings are often very niche in their worship and are held sometimes strictly to only tribes.

00:18:09.200 And I, you know, I'm not making a decree in that sense, but it leads to a great amount of evidence that they could very well be ascendant heroes, ascendant demigods, if you will.

00:18:28.300 I guess that would be the only word I can, I could think of, um, where prayers, you know,

00:18:35.320 are then brought to them, but that it's, uh, it's done not from an ancestor sense, but from

00:18:43.660 a, uh, one who has been brought in, the mantle has been placed on to be the, the, uh, forge

00:18:53.260 master or the, the Smith of the gods. Um, and you know, it, it, it's such a gray area because you

00:19:01.020 have Volander, but then some people would say, well, like, why isn't Beowulf, uh, you know,

00:19:08.240 such a, an ascendant? Um, and I'm not saying that he isn't, um, you know, I, I definitely,

00:19:14.980 uh don't think that it would be wrong to give gifts to beovil but um

00:19:22.180 that's the thing about this story it's it's really grounded in political machinations that

00:19:31.200 are happening in sweden which again this story doesn't come from sweden so it's the you know

00:19:41.900 the story of a king somewhere in our history. And it has a lot of intrigue. It has a lot of

00:19:54.140 vengeance. It has a lot of murder. It is a extremely graphic and aggressive story for

00:20:03.820 being as short as it is. And it is, well, you had mentioned fragmentary, um, because, um,

00:20:13.420 the, one of the sections that this poem was written on was written on a break in the paperwork

00:20:19.260 or in the papers. And, uh, a lot of it was lost. Um, however, there is connections to, um,

00:20:28.500 the anglo-saxon poem called deor it's d-e-o-r there's mentionings of uh

00:20:40.260 volander in there um and then there's also the uh friedrich saga um and that is uh another

00:20:52.260 like lending to so this not only has it has multiple connections and and um you know connection

00:21:00.340 points to other mediums and it's one of the few times in which old norse and anglo-saxon are quite

00:21:11.300 clearly connected i think um a lot of folks or a lot of the scholarly types especially of the old

00:21:19.540 would try to say that lord odin and lord wodan of the anglo-saxons was uh were different different

00:21:28.660 gods and um you know on top of the names of the days of our weeks um being pretty

00:21:38.580 spread about or you know later changed by christianity this is another example that 0.98

00:21:43.220 really connects us all um northern people are silly geese so yeah 0.94

00:21:56.100 i want to throw a couple of things out there first gw farnsworth bought us five 0.81

00:22:00.980 coffees it's 25 donation we appreciate you thank you very much he is a consistent donor to the

00:22:06.900 program um one thing that on the side and a number of different afa chats um

00:22:22.980 folks have questions and curiosities about the

00:22:28.980 the unity of Aryan religiosity and I think that a lot of people don't try to logic it out

00:22:45.300 because I've read historical works and like

00:22:50.620 you know historians and archaeologists and whatever and they examine each

00:22:58.680 group of gods, even though the names are clearly the same or, you know, phonetically exactly the

00:23:10.320 same, but in the regional tongue, as if they're different pantheons of gods. And it lends itself

00:23:18.120 to their area of study in a really specific scholastic way. If the gods are big comic book

00:23:28.240 characters in an ancient people's you know ooga booga conception of the world but we know that

00:23:35.840 that's not true so we know that these gods are real and they they're real personalities

00:23:42.000 and we also know that as the creative forces that shaped our race and our people and our souls

00:23:49.200 they've been with us as long as we've been a folk so you know logic bears out where did

00:23:58.320 you know where did these gods come from you know because they appear in anglo-saxon england well

00:24:04.960 how did they get there where were they before that what did the people that populated england

00:24:11.200 worship before they went to england oh they worship these same gods but with linguistic

00:24:16.480 differences in you know denmark and phrygia and the continent okay where'd those people come from

00:24:23.520 oh they were slightly different when they were further east okay and if you trace it back

00:24:29.760 you know logically these beings don't just spring out of nowhere and they've been with

00:24:34.800 our people since the beginning um and i want to say that to kind of impart a

00:24:42.240 something to consider with this, especially when we get into poems with sketchy historical

00:24:50.800 references. You have oral tales of times that have been with our people since, you know,

00:25:00.800 the good old days. And the good old days means something different depending on what people you

00:25:05.720 talk to. You know, it amazes me. It amazes me looking back now at stuff. It's like, man,

00:25:14.200 that's, you know, that's the, man, back in the good old days. And it doesn't seem like it was

00:25:19.460 that long ago. It was 30 years ago. You know, when I was a kid in the 80s, something 30 years

00:25:24.260 ago in the 50s, seems like it was ancient. Different people have different conceptions

00:25:28.140 at times. But when the, the, the skulls of our people were talking about way back when in the

00:25:34.560 golden age back when gods and men interacted in a more direct way when when these fantastical

00:25:41.940 creatures were ever present in life these that period of time you connect it with as far back

00:25:52.120 as you know and so you connect it with ancient heroes of the past and ancient times of the past

00:25:58.200 that you can reference because that makes sense especially when we didn't have a thorough chronology

00:26:05.480 of you know world history and so when we're looking at some of these things when we hear

00:26:13.320 the tales of some of these very epic and very ancient heroes oftentimes their tale is much

00:26:20.360 older than the historical reference points it's a tale that's been with our folk since that golden

00:26:27.160 age when the gods and the folk interacted much more hand in hand in uh in that time and the

00:26:35.560 story comes through to us with you know in different ways in different flavors over time

00:26:42.440 and as i've always advised over here don't get when we are treating points of knowable history

00:26:50.520 in a historical context it's one thing when we're talking about mythic time and mythic history

00:26:57.960 don't get too caught up in specifics that you miss the point of the story trying to put it

00:27:04.120 in a time or in a certain flavor um because that very much misses the point so the story of of

00:27:13.480 volander goes back into deep antiquity and it's told in a context of geography that makes sense

00:27:23.560 to the tellers of the story but don't don't get too caught up trying to place it in place or in

00:27:30.680 time because it exists way back in the mists of our of our of our ancient memory of our folk

00:27:36.680 i i i don't know if um i remember we were reading the um

00:27:54.840 the reconstruction the the the donkey and the wagon wheel book i i the name wheel and the donkey yes

00:28:04.840 deep ancestors deep ancestors and that was one thing i don't recall him expounding on

00:28:13.080 uh a smith or a smithy of the gods um maybe i'm you know maybe i'm forgetting it but um

00:28:23.480 it's been a while since i read the book but i i i could have swore that there was very little

00:28:30.040 mention of that and the um general sense of smithing as being divine uh sometimes is of

00:28:40.520 course it's tossed on to the dvergar or the svart alvar the spirits of the of of the deep

00:28:48.040 spirits of matter and energy um and it was taught to us um and then other times it's clearly places

00:28:57.080 a mantle upon a divine or semi-divine being um and i just i i can't recall if he went into that at all

00:29:11.800 um in his book and i thought that was very kind of sad because of the the metallurgy that was so

00:29:20.120 intimately connected to the spread of the um of our ancestors the arians or you know they call

00:29:27.960 them the yum naya and the kurgan but specifically that generation of folk

00:29:35.800 that were spurned on to migrate because of bronze age technology

00:29:48.680 all right so

00:29:50.120 Where are we as far as getting into the start of our poem this evening?

00:30:00.740 Okay, so we're going to start off with a lengthy introduction.

00:30:06.280 We're back to introductions.

00:30:08.960 Kind of giving everyone a place orientation.

00:30:16.640 And remember, this story most likely came up through the Anglo-Saxon lands and traveled up through along Denmark and Zealand and into the Nordic lands on the Baltic.

00:30:35.440 And I think that the characterizations of exactly who the Kings are, uh, and who the, her, his daughter and his sons, et cetera, they, they have a tendency to change not drastically, but they do change in, uh, various tellings of this story.

00:30:54.900 But again, it may harken back even farther, just like Atlee is most likely Attila in Sick of the Dragonslayer. It goes very far back. So bear that in mind, or just, you know, take it as it is for setting the stage.

00:31:17.080 uh let's see there was a king in sweden named ned udur he had two sons and one daughter

00:31:30.180 her name was bolt or both wild is how they spell it uh both wilder battle willing

00:31:40.400 There were three brothers, sons of a king of the Finns, who was called Slagviv, another was Eyjil, the third Voland.

00:31:55.200 They went on snowshoes and hunted wild beasts.

00:31:59.940 They came into Ulfdallr, and there they built themselves a house.

00:32:06.240 There was a lake there which is called Ulvziar.

00:32:13.140 Early one morning they found on the shores of the lake three women who were spinning flax.

00:32:21.080 Near them were their swan garments, for they were valkyries.

00:32:29.640 Two of them were daughters of King Hlothvir. 0.80

00:32:34.060 Plavgöd, the swan-white, and Höver, the all-wise, and the third was Olrun, daughter of Kjar of Volunt.

00:32:49.500 These did they bring home to their hall with them. 0.60

00:32:54.900 Eil took Ulrun, and Slagfidh took Swanwhite, and Volund took Allwise.

00:33:07.000 There they dwelt for seven winters, but then they flew away to find battles and to come back no more.

00:33:16.660 Then Egil set forth on his snowshoes to follow Ulrun, and Slagfiv followed Swanwhite.

00:33:26.760 But Volund stayed in Ulvdallr. He was a most skillful man, as men know from old tales.

00:33:37.780 King Nivud had him taken by force, as the poem here tells.

00:33:46.660 So the intro is really interesting because we broach into the subject of swan maidens.

00:33:55.140 And there's a couple of interesting things about this excerpt.

00:34:02.640 One is their connection to living heroes or kings of the land.

00:34:14.340 And again, these could be allegoric to the gods or to Lord Odin, but they're also said to have come from Valand, which is the, generally it's translated as the land of slaughter.

00:34:30.620 um or i of course i'm always beating that drum remember val is also to to choose so it's the

00:34:40.860 land of the chosen um and they come from this place and much like the silkies of um irish stories

00:34:51.660 where the um you know the wearing of a seal skin um and then taking it off and taking the shape of

00:35:00.040 woman this mimics that and uh but um i'm trying to see here too there's

00:35:11.560 mentioning down in the notes because he translates here

00:35:17.000 near them were their swan garments for they were valkyries but yeah it says right okay thought

00:35:24.440 but i was looking down in the notes and one of the interesting things that he brought up was

00:35:31.000 that the word that was originally used might have been helmed um and i i just now noticed that so

00:35:39.000 now i'm like oh what is so i want to kind of go down that rabbit hole but um so these three maidens

00:35:46.600 go with the three brothers and they live a life for themselves for seven years and then on the

00:35:57.100 eighth year they uh or excuse me it's the eighth year um yeah seven winters but they flew away to

00:36:08.240 fine battles, um, on the, the, uh, summer tiding of the following the seventh. And

00:36:15.820 the two brothers leave to go find their loves, but Volund remains. And he is captured by

00:36:28.120 Niduth, the king, um, for his mighty, mighty skills. And they reference that again. They say,

00:36:36.480 You know, he's the most skillful man, as men know, from old tales. So there's probably a great plethora of stories that did not make it into the compilation that was probably known by the audience.

00:36:52.920 But at the same time, King Nedud and Valund and Mirkwood, etc., these places are oftentimes, most people agree that they're poetic places used for the story and not referencing actual geographical sites.

00:37:16.520 So that's where we go in from here.

00:37:22.920 A slight reiteration in the beginning.

00:37:26.840 In one.

00:37:29.560 Maids from the south through Mirkwood flew.

00:37:34.360 Fair and young their fate to follow. 0.92

00:37:37.760 On the shore of the sea to rest them they sat.

00:37:42.180 The maids of the south and flax they spun.

00:37:47.680 So most likely this,

00:37:49.700 And I've tried to conceptualize maybe perhaps where Merckwood might be if it was a geographical site. And the only thing I could think of is the peak bogs and swamplands of Denmark, which would then make sense that they're coming northward across the Baltic or across the island chains.

00:38:13.540 And they eventually find themselves here, far, far in the north, in the Loplander area, kind of in between northern Sweden and Finland.

00:38:31.540 um so they stop and they rest and they begin to uh break down flax and start to spin it into thread

00:38:44.460 and you'll notice in the writings there's these um perforations these these like

00:38:52.020 lines of periods. And these are, again, part of those missing pieces, the fragmentation.

00:39:02.920 So please, you know, bear with, like to understand, um, in two, uh,

00:39:12.460 so again, there's just, there's pieces to it. Um,

00:39:27.720 in three one in her arms took ale then to her bosom white the women the woman fair i do you

00:39:41.320 know like to reiterate that when we speak about our faith being an ethnic faith um one of the

00:39:48.580 key factors that leans towards an understanding of this is uh the beauty standards in which women 0.96

00:39:54.960 and men are often spoken of and one of this is of course the fairness and the kvitan the whiteness

00:40:05.360 of the skin um so you know when we talk about the fact that our ancestors especially

00:40:15.200 of northern germanic um descent our faith is an ethnic faith and it is constantly reiterated

00:40:24.960 Based on those comparative connections, other people all over the world may speak about their stories and use beauty standards in relation to their ethnicity and or to, you know, economic factors within their social structure or what have you.

00:40:48.100 And it's no different amongst our stories as well. 0.97

00:40:52.580 um so in four swan white second swan feathers she wore fragmentation

00:41:06.500 and her arms the third of the sisters through next round volin's neck so white

00:41:15.200 um and again this might be worth noting they're not speaking of volan's neck being white they're

00:41:23.340 speaking of her arms being white um again this was also a sign and what i mentioned economic

00:41:31.380 is that um you know the idea of having swarthy arms um being uh burnt by the sun because of long

00:41:41.520 work whereas having white arms having uh arms that were not of you know toil is what's being

00:41:52.960 referenced here and this is a clearly a beauty marker um to our to our ancestors fairness of skin

00:42:02.320 um so in five and again this is just reiterating the introduction

00:42:07.920 there did they sit for seven winters in the eighth at last came their longing again

00:42:14.240 and in the ninth so that's interesting too because the introduction says that just

00:42:18.600 the seventh um in the ninth did need divide them the maidens yearned for the murky wood

00:42:26.960 the fair young maids their fate to follow and so they depart

00:42:32.460 um while we have a sec i want to just acknowledge a monk just donated a hundred dollars to victory

00:42:44.400 never sleeps thank you so much for that and a member in the new york's half district donated

00:42:50.440 50 to our prison ministry fund and 30 to the new york's half fund so thank you so much for that

00:42:56.580 that moves us a little bit closer

00:42:58.980 so now we begin to start seeing the the foundation towards this was in the past and we're and we're

00:43:16.320 we're moving into more of the present sense especially when king nether becomes uh you know

00:43:25.040 prevalent in the story but uh volant home from his hunting came from a weary way the weather wise

00:43:36.640 bowman slog and ale the hall found empty out and in went they everywhere seeking so

00:43:49.520 they come home and they realize that the swan maidens have left um the idea to again of hiding

00:44:00.080 the skin or hiding the the swan feathers um just as much as like with the with the selkie

00:44:06.160 but there's always a drawing there's always a yearning by these these beings to don the skin

00:44:14.880 and return back so you can you know anybody that's familiar again with um irish folk um

00:44:24.160 and i mean folk of the capital f stories um you know can see a clear connection here

00:44:31.440 and that they may really have been sourced back because this where that's where this poem comes

00:44:37.520 from so the dawning of skins and having let's say that the the seal maiden the swan maiden

00:44:45.120 may not have been strictly just swans or seals that those might have been specific based on

00:44:53.200 where the stories were being told or where they were last composed um but this idea of a

00:45:00.560 an animal suddenly kind of ongoing of the skin, and it turns out to be a spirit or a being, a female of magic.

00:45:14.880 And eventually, they need to return.

00:45:19.480 so east in uh seven east fared ale after olrun and slagviv south to seek for swan white voland

00:45:32.340 alone in ulf dollar lay so he's he remains in in um uh ulf dale um the valley of the wolves

00:45:44.800 there's a fragmentation here at that last end and then in eight

00:45:49.540 red gold he fashioned with the fairest of gems and rings he strung on ropes of bast

00:45:58.620 so for his wife he waited long if the fair one home might come to him

00:46:06.000 and nine this is when neither learned the lord of the nyars that voland alone in all the dollar

00:46:20.620 lay by night with his men their mail coats were studded their shields in the waning moonlight

00:46:29.740 shone. So right there, you really do see a sense of the Anglo-Saxon poetics kind of really leaning

00:46:39.960 through with the referencing of the barony, the male coats, and kind of the, you know, under the

00:46:50.060 darkness, uh, they, they, they find out that he just can produce these amazing, um, artifacts

00:47:00.060 or, you know, items. And so he's going to go up there and snatch him because he has no one to

00:47:05.320 defend himself other than himself. Um, in 10, from their saddles, the gable wall they sought

00:47:14.740 And in they went at the end of the hall. Rings they saw there on ropes of bast, 700 the hero had.

00:47:26.900 um i've often wondered about this part about the uh um the gables um from their saddles the gable

00:47:40.440 wall they saw sought and i i wonder if this has some reference to perhaps pulling down

00:47:49.620 um a wall uh you know by tethering it to their saddles um you know it's not a not super clear

00:48:00.060 or at least i've never perceived it as super clear um but it's then when they

00:48:07.680 enter they see that he has all of these amazing things um

00:48:14.540 so in 11 off they took him but all they left save one alone which they bore away

00:48:28.960 now here there is um great fragment you know fragmentations um and in 12

00:48:38.460 voland home from his hunting came from a weary way the weather wise bowman a brown bear's flesh

00:48:48.180 would he roast with the fire soon the wood so dry was burning well the wind dry wood that voland's

00:48:57.220 was on the bear skin he rested and counted the rings the master of elves that's an interesting

00:49:05.260 point there too, but one he missed, that Lodhver's daughter had it, he thought,

00:49:14.140 and the all-wise maid had come once more.

00:49:19.660 So here we kind of see, because of the fragmentation, there's actually kind of a step

00:49:26.140 back or a telling of what's going to happen from neither's men and neither's men and what

00:49:34.640 they're going to do. And then it kind of overlays back to Volander returning. And he's, you know,

00:49:44.480 has all of these gifts that he's, he's kind of just waiting for his swan maiden to return so

00:49:49.900 that he can adorn her with them. And he is, you know, from hunting, killing a bear. And again,

00:49:57.340 I think this emphasizes really more about in this story that he is in the Lapland, he is in the,

00:50:03.640 in in the finland and um it's kind of again setting that that mood but it it kind of hops back

00:50:10.920 that he is um you know counting his riches he's burning dry wood as which is i believe

00:50:18.280 is a compliment for a sign of wisdom um and you know he thinks that lovier's daughter which is

00:50:26.760 one of the swan maids might be returning um or at least returning soon so on a bear skin he rested

00:50:35.720 and he counted his golden rings the master of elves there's a couple of times in which

00:50:41.000 uh volander is mentioned as being an alvar um and again this doesn't

00:50:47.720 it's not so simple as to say that he is a mortal now and becomes an alvar and is just

00:50:58.340 being referred to as his state now even though the poems in the past the other is the theory

00:51:06.300 is that he was taught by the alvar and that's why he is a a smith and that could be of course

00:51:12.280 Svartalvar, or, you know, the light elves, or spiritual beings, or ancestral beings.

00:51:22.480 But he is, you know, a, of them, from them. Some people have tried to say, like, no,

00:51:33.240 Weyland or Volander is Lord Frey, and this is just a story of Lord Frey, and I don't think,

00:51:40.020 i think that's a bit of a stretch but instead that this is trying to establish his um

00:51:47.380 his prowess of of being a smith comes from the supernatural well and keep in mind guys this is

00:51:55.780 in the golden age where we have

00:51:58.340 we have mythic heroes that are more than mortal men of a later age that interact with um you know

00:52:12.260 that are pursuing relationships with the valkyrie and it's told in a

00:52:21.700 proto-history mythic time to where there's there's overlap between beings that are less than gods

00:52:31.660 but that exists in kind of a mortal understanding of Midgard but these heroes are of epic proportions

00:52:40.100 and they fight monsters and you know carry on romantic dalliances with you know semi-divine

00:52:50.900 beings. So there's overlap. We see, you know, ascended, ascended mortals in that kind of a

00:52:57.280 place when we look at servants of the gods. You know, when we look at, at Lord Frey's

00:53:04.720 servant that he sent to go deliver messages to, what's, what's the servant's name, man,

00:53:15.900 skirner we also see it a little bit in uh thor's um servants you see elevated mortals that serve

00:53:27.980 positions of service to our gods in a place that's higher than their more mortal state in

00:53:35.260 midgard so also when we talk about the term alf it's one of those terms that has layered meaning

00:53:43.980 that can mean you know male ancestor but also means you know it basically means spirit and it

00:53:54.140 means like ascended magical being from with magical knowledge from places the idea of

00:54:02.700 metallurgy and smithing and taking you know curious stuff you find in rocks

00:54:10.460 and making jewelry and weapons and armor is a very ancient and primal magic to our folk

00:54:19.100 and it's one of the it's one of those things that defined our ancestors as they progressed

00:54:26.940 in the world their ability to make stuff out of metal and to continually make superior things

00:54:36.860 out of metal and that idea of smithing is inherently magical and is understood as such

00:54:42.620 in uh in our lore from from ancient times

00:54:51.740 so the the waning moon and neither than his men are moving up to the residency of volant

00:55:00.620 um under the cover of darkness at night which again kind of also lends to its treachery

00:55:07.060 um they're slowly moving in meanwhile roland is you know um in in maximum recline mode and he is

00:55:20.820 on the bear skins, counting his gold rings, um, that he has, he has made and, um, enjoying his

00:55:29.700 hot fire from the good dried wood that he had the forethought to prepare. And, um, in 14, it,

00:55:40.320 it, uh, it states to so long, he sat that he fell asleep. His waking empty of gladness was so you

00:55:49.700 can see here too, Bellows does this quite often. He, he awakens with no gladness or, uh, you know,

00:55:56.880 he just kind of flips these words around, but that's, you know, the way his waking empty of

00:56:01.700 gladness was heavy chains. He, he saw on his hands and fetters bound his feet together. So he wakes

00:56:10.340 up, bound, tied, and imprisoned. And in his own home, no less. Volund speaks in 15.

00:56:27.680 What men are they who thus have laid ropes of bass to bind me now?

00:56:33.300 Then Nevudh called the lord of the Nyars, that's Nevudh, how gotest thou volant, greatest of the elves, these treasures of yours in Urvdalar?

00:56:50.980 Again, another reference to him being greatest of the elves.

00:56:55.200 and again this establishes an argument that some folks could have could say um but we see this

00:57:02.460 again with rayon the smithy in sigur bloke or i mean it's excuse me sigur in uh sigur the

00:57:10.320 dragon slayer um in which um he is trained by the svart allar um and i think that that

00:57:19.320 connection is really being reiterated here. Um, let's see.

00:57:30.320 So in 16, Volan speaks again. He says, the gold was not on Grani's way.

00:57:38.680 Far, me thinks, is our realm from the hills of the Rhine. I mind, I mind me that treasures

00:57:48.580 more we had when happy together at home we were so here is a specific reference to the rhine

00:57:56.100 river um and i think that again this is the key point that lets us know this um this is

00:58:04.180 an anglo-saxon tale but wait it's not an anglo-saxon tale it's a migration period tale

00:58:12.020 um and so you kind of see these lendings and every time there's added layers to uh the this

00:58:21.780 the spiritual essence of this story um and he you know he mined these treasures there

00:58:28.980 in the heartland of the rhine um and in 17

00:58:33.780 without stood the wife of neither wise and in she came from the end of the hall now excuse me it's

00:58:45.100 worth noting too this most likely is that he has now been completely brought back from so he's no

00:58:53.140 longer at his hall because you start to see these um the introductions of uh neither's wife and she

00:59:01.040 I, you know, I'm not claiming that she was on the raid, um, and more likely too, it could,

00:59:06.560 or it could be a possibility that Niviv was not on the raid, um, but is interrogating his prisoner

00:59:14.240 after he's been brought back. So, um, without stood the wife of Niviv the wise and in she came

00:59:24.840 from the end of the hall on the floor she stood and softly spoke not kind does he look who comes

00:59:33.880 from the wood and she's speaking of voland and in essence she's she's saying he looks barbaric um

00:59:44.280 he's probably got shoulder pelts on charcoal rune paint um one of those mohawk ponytails

00:59:51.960 um it's just no kidding um but clearly you know of of no of the noble folk of of the people that

01:00:03.160 live uh in you know proper housing and and bear proper weapons he looks like a wild man um 0.98

01:00:12.280 Um, King Nivudh gave to his daughter Bothveld the gold ring that he had taken from the bastrop 0.92

01:00:25.420 in Valand's house. And he himself wore the sword that Valand had. The queen spoke. Now you can also 0.99

01:00:34.340 see here the numbers start to end there's a a bunchy section in here um uh through translation

01:00:44.500 um and then they restart but you'll also notice like in verse 18 it's the same thing it's

01:00:49.700 then the numbers kind of become a little choppy um but yeah uh let's see

01:00:56.980 so he's dispersing the wealth of the smith to his daughter you know he's wearing his sword

01:01:07.900 um and again a sword is of vast importance in this age everyone in the audience would know

01:01:17.860 you know it takes a lot it is very expensive to make a sword so much like a ship

01:01:25.800 um and so to take another man's sword and just that's mine now and put it on put it on after

01:01:34.140 all that work especially if you're the one that made it um and then the queen the queen excuse me

01:01:40.380 the queen um speaks um 18. the glow of his eyes is like gleaming snakes his teeth he gnashes

01:01:56.780 if now is shown the sword or both builds ring he sees let them straight away cut his sinews of

01:02:05.660 strength and set him then in server cybers thaf excuse me cyber stuff um so at this point it sets

01:02:19.820 one of the key components to the story is the maiming of volander um she says you know every

01:02:28.460 time he sees the ring that he crafted every time he sees the sword he is just glowering

01:02:37.100 at my daughter and he's glowering at my husband so how about we do this we make sure he can't

01:02:45.420 you know come at us too fast or get away too fast we will hamstring him or or cut his um

01:02:54.700 uh either the backs of his legs or possibly his achilles um so that he can't you know move

01:03:04.140 and then we're going to take him and put him far away in a place where he's of of little um uh

01:03:13.100 you know uh threat and the name uh cyber psi is like the word sea

01:03:23.260 in um in english the ocean uh so it's like seastead so this could of course you know it's

01:03:32.220 like it's referring to like a peninsula or an eye or an island so was it done in use in his knee

01:03:39.500 joints were cut so you know most likely the back of the thighs behind the knees i have heard people

01:03:47.660 suggest that it was the achilles um or that it was the knees themselves the front

01:03:55.820 but most likely it was you know he was hamstrung um

01:04:01.500 and he was set in the island of seastead was near the mainland and was called cyber stuff there he

01:04:10.380 smithied for the king all kinds of precious things no man dared to go to him save only

01:04:16.860 the king himself voland spoke and then it switches over to 19 at niv's girdle gleams the sword

01:04:33.340 that i sharpened keen with the cunningness of craft and hardened the steel with the highest

01:04:39.740 of skills the bright blade far forever is born nor back shall i see it born to my smithy now

01:04:50.300 bothville gets the golden ring that was once my brides never welsh never well shall it be

01:05:01.260 so again reiterating his his essence of revenge um his bride was and his lost love was supposed

01:05:09.580 to get the ring um now and again this part here too uh and looking at it even in old norse um

01:05:25.260 it's kind of super choppy and it's just an example of of this poem and how it comes out he sat nor

01:05:33.180 slept it you know most likely would have been written he did not sit or sleep um but again

01:05:44.220 the choppiness there um he sat nor slept and smote with his hammer fast for nithuth

01:05:52.580 excuse me wonders he fashioned

01:05:56.100 two boys did go 0.52

01:05:59.640 in his door to gaze

01:06:01.980 Nithuth's sons 0.97

01:06:04.220 into Saverstath 0.99

01:06:06.440 now this is kind of where it starts

01:06:10.180 to darken

01:06:11.040 the sons of

01:06:13.560 the you know

01:06:15.520 kidnapping an evil king

01:06:17.320 have looked

01:06:19.720 into the workshop

01:06:21.360 of

01:06:22.680 Volander.

01:06:32.680 And they, in 21,

01:06:34.660 they came to the chest

01:06:35.900 and they craved the keys.

01:06:39.820 The evil was open

01:06:41.880 when in they looked

01:06:43.520 to the boys it seemed

01:06:45.140 the gems they saw,

01:06:46.960 gold in plenty

01:06:48.020 and precious stones.

01:06:49.560 volun spoke come ye alone the next day come gold to you both shall then be given tell not the maids

01:07:00.680 or the men of the hall to no one say that me you have sought don't let anybody know we've talked

01:07:09.180 don't let anybody know we've seen but if you come back i have plenty more riches for you

01:07:15.360 now there is a fragmentation here in 23 but uh you know most likely the waking in the morning

01:07:25.600 uh early did brother to brother call swift let us go the rings to see

01:07:30.840 and 24 they came to the chest and they craved the keys the evil was open when in they looked

01:07:40.360 he smote off their heads

01:07:42.800 and their feet 0.99

01:07:44.500 he hid under the sooty

01:07:46.540 straps of the bellows

01:07:48.440 so there is

01:07:50.440 the first

01:07:52.560 stroke of Volander's

01:07:54.760 revenge he 0.95

01:07:56.120 cuts off the heads 1.00

01:07:58.620 of the boys 1.00

01:07:59.300 and hides

01:08:02.780 them under the

01:08:04.660 bellow press of

01:08:06.860 the large forge

01:08:08.060 again the notes of revenge and the idea of not only being kidnapped in the middle of the night

01:08:16.700 having your weapon and the ring of your love you know taken and kind of flaunted in front of you

01:08:24.820 but also to be maimed to the point where you can never walk fully again um and then to be enslaved

01:08:33.800 to uh you know uh make these these uh items for the king who did all that he's pretty after you've

01:08:45.600 been maimed and like permanently disabled yeah he's he's but kind of a a note here um i don't

01:08:55.980 if nick can throw it back up real quick but the stone carving that we used for

01:09:04.940 today's i don't know cover art i guess for the episode is cool and it makes more sense when

01:09:15.340 because a lot of the imagery of this particular passage is depicted on that so take a look at that

01:09:21.500 when you get a chance i thought it was kind of cool it's a little bit different than how we

01:09:24.380 usually illustrate these yeah uh nick do you have that that yep you just put it up um

01:09:33.020 yeah yeah notice there's two bodies hidden behind the forge there with those two uh clipper or uh

01:09:41.420 um tongs yeah off to the right yeah and it's worth noting that these stone are like when

01:09:53.180 When we were talking about the Valkdot a couple of episodes back, you know, correspondence, the idea that, you know, an Icelandic professor, you know, in the story, Hrongnir's heart is three-sided.

01:10:10.020 And then he takes a stone carving that has a symbol that has three sides.

01:10:17.840 And he's like, no, that's, I'm going to suggest that that's Hrongnir's heart.

01:10:21.440 very rarely did these stone carvings just have misplaced notes of reference. They were often

01:10:31.180 encapsulated. If there's, you know, these kind of symbology of a war, symbology of a sacrifice,

01:10:41.120 and symbology of riding a boat, or, you know, again, it could be alluded to that they're

01:10:47.100 riding a boat beyond the veil or what have you. Uh, but yeah, to just take these, it's so

01:10:55.300 noticeable. Like that's a perfect example. It, it is very, very clear. That's a thing too. If

01:11:03.040 you're doing a different form of art where it's very, very easy to just add little random stuff

01:11:11.320 to if you're carving stone it's it's very intentional you don't just accidentally make

01:11:18.600 stone doodles like if you're chipping away at and carving into stone you're doing it very intentionally

01:11:29.160 yeah i think and that's why i i don't believe that from near heart's theory about the valkna and we

01:11:35.240 see it again too with with um in sigurd the dragon slayer when sigurd is sitting at the fire

01:11:41.400 with uh rayon and this is done on a you know post-conversion church wall but it's super clear

01:11:48.360 and they are eating the dragon's heart um on the spit um yeah because of the intentionality of the

01:11:55.220 of the carvings i do not believe that again they're making doodles or that they're not placing

01:12:00.120 things in simply for uh non-reference oftentimes you know there is meaning but i did also see that

01:12:10.040 they've got one face of something to put as many significant pieces as they can into one spot so

01:12:19.640 So everything is very intentioned and it's very dense with references because, again, they've got, you know, one relatively small space to encapsulate.

01:12:34.920 It's not like they're illustrating a book. They're in one small area with great effort putting in maximum amount of density of meaningful things.

01:12:49.640 Well, you can see it even with Svahn's work, the amount of open space that's in, say, the Njordshof mural versus the density of the Baldur's Hof mural, which is much, much smaller.

01:13:06.960 right yeah the the ability and time versus and accessibility and the other thing too is again

01:13:15.280 you know we don't know what that meaning is but we um we have a modern meaning of the symbol just

01:13:22.080 like um the son and rod um or the you know equal armed cross uh these meanings of these symbols

01:13:31.440 can affect different groups of people in different regions let alone different time frames um from

01:13:41.280 you know our ancestors to now so uh that's i mean that's what i was i wanted to bring it up when i

01:13:47.040 saw the stone um the choice that uh nick had got for this was spot on and it made me think of a

01:13:55.120 lot of that but i digress because we kind of tangent off a little bit um

01:14:07.200 so at this point um they are smote he has smoted them and um he is starting his plans for revenge

01:14:19.760 so 25 their skulls once hid by their hair he took set them in silver and set sent them to

01:14:34.160 nether's gems full fair from their eyes he fashioned to neither's wife wife so wise he gave

01:14:45.440 them so there is um if you're speaking of like gaulish or celtic um you know history especially

01:14:57.920 in the mainland there's there is a connection to the uh beheading of your enemies or beheading of

01:15:04.240 your foes and kind of placing them in places um as kind of a a point of reference um perhaps as a

01:15:14.080 a message but we see amongst the the norse particularly there is a connection to the smoting

01:15:24.000 of one's offspring or one's enemy and like removing their head and fashioning it into something else

01:15:33.280 like you know a bull this is also uh lent to in ale scala grimace uh grimson's saga um as well

01:15:43.360 with uh eric the uh blood axe so um you can see this as a motif and again it's it really does

01:15:53.680 catch the audience and it speaks of you know the this is what's gonna get um it's a trope

01:16:02.640 of the story that's going to get the audience just really like oh this is this is getting wild

01:16:09.280 and you know he places jewels in the in their eyes the eye sockets of the skull and he um

01:16:16.160 you know gives it to them um and from the teeth of the twain he wrought a brooch for the breast

01:16:30.080 to both veiled he sent it so from their teeth he created a brooch or a uh um a brock tiat as it's

01:16:39.760 i guess referred to in in roman brock it is the pin a cloak pin um and then there's a fragment here 0.59

01:16:48.880 in 26 uh voland spoke 27 bauville then of her rings did boast more fragments the ring i have

01:17:02.240 broken i dare not say it save to thee and voland spoke 28 i shall weld the break in the gold so

01:17:13.360 well that fairer than ever thy father shall find it and better much thy mother shall think it

01:17:20.560 and thou no worse than ever it was so here bob builds um and i you know in the poem versus

01:17:29.920 storytelling it can seem very choppy but the idea of course that the children have gone to seastead

01:17:37.600 to kind of look at the amazing amazing things that volander has done and uh kind of in you

01:17:44.080 know in the way that i've told the stories yeah that they they sneak out there to see the riches

01:17:49.520 um and then they you know disappear because nobody knew where they were going and then

01:17:55.840 when these gifts are are given out it's not fully understood where they're coming from yet

01:18:01.440 they're just getting the gifts from their smithing slave that they have um

01:18:08.720 but it's then that both build realizes um where this comes from and she chops the ring 0.99

01:18:18.960 um you know and it's not stated how i mean i imagine with an axe and a baton but she

01:18:25.280 she cuts the ring um and then goes to him and says you know this ring that you had for your

01:18:32.080 you know the love of your life this this valkyrie woman um i've broken it i ripped it in half and

01:18:39.520 he's like i'm a smith i'm going to i will fix it and it will be even better you can't you know

01:18:47.520 you know it makes no no no matter the other point though is that she it could be that she

01:18:57.120 broke it on accident but that you know it's so fragmentary it's hard to

01:19:03.200 kind of place where the intention of that is going um in 28 or excuse me 29

01:19:11.040 beer he bought brought he was he was better in cunning until in her seat full soon she slept so

01:19:22.040 the the taking of beer she's uh you know either come to gloat or she's come to say that it's

01:19:32.340 it's been broken accidentally she drinks or is offered to drink while he goes to fix it

01:19:39.840 So I guess this would more likely lend to that it was accidental until she passes out.

01:19:47.820 And Voland spoke, now vengeance I have for all my hurts, save one alone on the evil woman.

01:19:54.860 There's more fragmentation in 30.

01:19:59.900 And then, quote Voland, would that well where the sinews maimed in my feet by neither's men.

01:20:08.560 And again, this is why I brought up the idea that, um, you know, he was maimed in the backs of his legs or he was maimed in his Achilles tendon or perhaps even the very bottom of his feet, um, is because it, it, it shifts around.

01:20:24.740 Um, so he begins the, the, uh, vengeance, uh, or the second part of his vengeance in 31 laughing

01:20:39.100 Vold and Rosa loft, weeping Bob Vild went from the aisle for her, for her lover's flight and

01:20:47.640 her father's wrath. Um, so if anybody doesn't kind of realize what's going on is it's generally,

01:20:56.440 it's, it's pretty, he, um, forced this situation with Bob Vild and she ran to get her father

01:21:07.760 and, um, you know, to exact revenge against Volander. Um,

01:21:18.620 without stood the wife of neither wise or outside is basically what they're saying,

01:21:23.960 not without, but, you know, out of, uh, and in, she came from the end of the hall.

01:21:30.560 And you'll notice that that's been repeated again, and that's a poetic meter. Um,

01:21:35.660 but he by the wall in weariness sat wakest thou neither the lord of the nyars and neither spoke

01:21:46.460 33 always i wake and ever joyless little i sleep since my sons were slain cold is my head

01:21:55.420 cold was thy counsel one thing with voland to speak i wish

01:22:00.940 so now the cat is out of the bag with the return of um

01:22:09.020 uh both built and that's why i was implying to is she trying to gloat or did she do it by accident

01:22:18.620 because when she returns it's all made revealed unless they you know found out or kind of put the

01:22:26.720 pieces together on their own. Uh, the choppiness does leave a lot for the storyteller to try to

01:22:32.480 cobble exactly how things are going, but neither is basically expressing that his evil kingship

01:22:41.560 has brought him no joy. Um, his children are slain and, um, you know, his greed and his desire

01:22:54.560 has led him to this point. So, uh, 34, and again, the assumption is, is that, uh,

01:23:03.320 neither has moved to the isle to, uh, Scyther, uh, Stath. Uh, answer me, Voland, greatest of elves,

01:23:14.120 what happened with my boys that hail once here.

01:23:20.180 And Volan spoke.

01:23:22.320 35.

01:23:23.980 First shalt thou all the oaths now swear

01:23:28.420 by the rail of ship and the rim of shield,

01:23:32.120 by the shoulder of steed and the edge of sword, 0.92

01:23:37.460 that to Volan's wife thou wilt work no ill,

01:23:41.540 nor yet my bride to her death will bring thou a wife i should have that well thou knowest

01:23:51.420 and a child i should have within thy hall

01:23:55.720 so one of the big things about this stanza i'm sure a lot of people in the audience are familiar

01:24:04.740 with the placing one's finger on the edge of a blade when taking an oath. The idea here is

01:24:14.200 very clearly stated, and that most likely it was done on many objects, whether it was on an oath

01:24:23.640 ring, whether it was on the edge of a blade, the rim of a shield, or on the edge or the railing of

01:24:31.140 a ship. So again, the unification of a person making oaths or a group of people making oaths

01:24:41.020 and placing their hands upon the edge of something specifically for it to resemble that,

01:24:50.440 like an edged piece. We don't know if they did this because of ease of placing hands,

01:25:01.140 Or was it symbolic? You know, was the edging of an item, the shoulder of the horse, the, you know, the steel or the ship, was this seen as, you know, a place of fluidity, a place in which, you know, two realms are meeting, if you will, a kind of threshold.

01:25:25.160 but um it seems again that this is just understood that these are where oaths can often be taken

01:25:32.000 is on the on you know on the horse on the shield on the rail of the ship um and he you know

01:25:39.760 he says like you you will not kill me uh or my my bride to be or my bride that i that i wish for

01:25:51.040 um so in the last bit um in 36 seek thy smithy thou didst set thou shalt find the bellows 0.67

01:26:11.700 sprinkled with blood i smote off their heads of both thy sons and their feet

01:26:18.760 neath their city the sooty straps i hid their skulls once hid by their hair i took set them 0.96

01:26:28.840 in silver and sent them to nithoth gems full fair from their eyes i fashioned to nithoth's wife so

01:26:37.920 wise i gave them so again this is just reiterating and kind of taking the meter from before and

01:26:45.940 placing it in here again. And from the teeth in 38, of the twain I wrought, a brooch for the

01:26:54.540 breast of Bothveld I gave it. Now big with child does Bothveld grow, the only daughter ye two had

01:27:02.860 ever. So again, there is the confirmation of the deception and forcefulness that Voland has

01:27:17.440 committed on them as well. And neither speaks, never spakest thou a word that worse could hurt

01:27:29.820 me, nor that made me. Voland, more bitter for vengeance. There is no man so high from thy horse

01:27:39.740 to take thee, or so doady an archer as down to shoot thee, while high in the clouds thy course

01:27:47.960 thou takest. Laughing, Voland rose aloft, but left in sadness neither sat. And I wanted to read

01:27:59.440 those two parts together because it's, this is the part in which fashioned of, of metal wings,

01:28:12.080 and this is not really emphasized in the poem, but it is emphasized elsewhere that he leaves

01:28:20.620 via, uh, metal wings, um, rising aloft and that no, um, no archer can shoot him down.

01:28:31.540 And he, he flies away while neither of his left, you know, just holding his head in his hands at

01:28:38.720 the, at, at the doom that he wrought upon himself. Uh, in 41, then spake Nidhud, lord of the Njars, 0.77

01:28:51.860 rise up, Thrakred, best of my thralls, bid Bavild come, the bright-browed maid,

01:28:59.340 bedecked so fair with her father to speak. Again, another beauty standard, of course,

01:29:09.600 was not having a swarthy or wrinkled or sunburnt forehead. And that's what he means by bright

01:29:18.280 browed maid. 42, there's fragmentation there. And is it true, Bob Vild, that which was told

01:29:29.220 to me, once in the isle with Voland wert thou? Bothveld spoke, true it is, Nithith, that witch 0.99

01:29:40.660 was told thee, once in the isle with Voland was I, an hour of lust, alas, it should be,

01:29:49.980 not was my might with such a man, nor from his strength could I save myself. It's pretty kind

01:29:57.880 of clear in that relation. And it was, again, part of his vengeance plan. You know, and then

01:30:07.700 it very abruptly ends. So there is a lot that's not, you know, being said in relation to Deor

01:30:24.640 and in relation to, I immediately forgot it, I had it written up here, Thidrax Saga,

01:30:45.040 um these you know the the the speaking of what way wayland or volander is doing and has done

01:30:56.720 uh kind of fills in i think a great amount of the gaps or that in essence this may have been

01:31:03.400 like the nordic version of a story you know um we know that our our nordic ancestors could very

01:31:11.160 easily understand the anglo-saxon um language uh even up to iceland el skala grimson could speak

01:31:22.200 amongst the angles because their language was so close to each other so you know that the whether

01:31:29.640 the gaps are grammatical and problematic there or whether or not it's simply this is the north

01:31:37.800 version of the story you know um it's kind of hard to to determine um

01:31:47.960 but yes he flies and um she is left with a baby and then it you know like it abruptly ends um

01:31:58.680 and again in this in the nordic version it doesn't really fully um speak of the wings

01:32:07.800 if you will. But yes, the Thrydric's saga has more of a, you know, fuller account of the entirety of

01:32:24.860 story um and in this you know um there's more players uh neither or neither's uh brother is

01:32:36.060 involved um you know and then he collects the feathers um from arrows and you know that's

01:32:44.220 that's what he makes wings out of or he uses them to cast wings in or smelt them or coats them in

01:32:52.380 iron um there's a lot of different kind of um takes on that story as to kind of how it went

01:33:00.780 about so i know it's fragmentary and i know that it's kind of hard to pin down but this is absolutely

01:33:06.940 one of those stories that reflects like kind of heroic uh dramas it's a back and forth and um

01:33:17.100 But it, again, speaks of an elevated being, Wallander, and his kind of escapade or, you know, just bombastic story of him in the mortal realm.

01:33:39.820 so

01:33:43.040 man it's unfortunate this saga's got so much stuff missing and isn't

01:33:52.140 as complete as it should be sure but what's really

01:33:57.340 i don't know reassuring and makes it significant

01:34:02.280 is recognizing its commonality to our folk there's versions of it

01:34:09.080 In Anglo-Saxon England, in Iceland, in the Nordic countries, in continental Germany, there's lots of different references to this clearly common hero of our folk that is from a time and place that predates, you know, our separation, at least at those points,

01:34:37.680 which takes it into you know the the migration era at least so it's really interesting when we

01:34:45.860 get some of these stories that are very very old and some of these characters that

01:34:50.640 occur in a lot of different contexts a lot of different places because it speaks to their

01:34:58.960 significance culturally and to you know their long existing memory amongst our folk and that's

01:35:07.380 that's powerful and it's a point of connectivity that

01:35:11.560 um I mean I don't think we necessarily need more reassurance of the you know

01:35:20.780 Pan-Aryan nature of a lot of these things but this certainly speaks to that in

01:35:26.760 you know the Pan-Germanic realm for certain and uh so I think that's really important I think it's a

01:35:35.580 It's a cool version of the story as we go through more lore and more things.

01:35:40.100 There's little bits here and there that get added to it.

01:35:44.020 The image of him overcoming and fashioning through time, through effort, through perseverance, his vengeance and his own ascension.

01:35:58.240 The imagery of him ascending and laughing on wings of his own creation as his foe is left devastated lamenting all the vengeance that was wrought upon him for his misdeeds is a powerful image that's, I don't know, expressed here in perhaps a more poignant way than any of the other fragments and pieces of this story.

01:36:27.280 And I think that's the really cool take home from it.

01:36:33.920 Yeah, the connection to Deor is also interesting because it's only mentioned in two stanzas, but still worthy of being mentioned.

01:36:46.360 um if anybody uh you know there is a an interesting retelling of deor and also a song

01:36:54.920 of deor being performed it's a very old video it came out many many years ago um but yeah it's it's

01:37:02.760 it's very interesting you can find the lyrics for it or the poem itself um uh listed and you know

01:37:12.100 you can read right there amongst there that, you know,

01:37:14.800 Weyland tasted misery amongst the snakes and his stout hearted hero endured

01:37:19.460 troubles and sorrow and the longing as his companions, you know,

01:37:23.480 cruelty cold as winter. He often found woe, uh,

01:37:27.000 once Neathav instead of Neath, uh, laid restraints upon him.

01:37:31.920 Supple sinews bound on better on the better man than went by.

01:37:37.340 So can this. So in that sense too, with Deor,

01:37:40.940 it talks about suffering it talks about being wronged and um i think that that had a greater

01:37:49.420 emphasis probably too even in the stories is that there is this emphasis that you know you have this

01:37:57.020 you know strong and mighty lord that's in that is in love and then his love leaves him so it

01:38:04.780 was cursed to begin with in reality since the beginning and as he's waiting for her to return

01:38:10.140 And he's, you know, shackled and taken away and forced to create these, you know, magnificent pieces.

01:38:18.440 And he's just slowly burning.

01:38:22.060 um and again it's also worth noting too that the um the situation with um

01:38:32.140 bavild as the the the daughter um of the king um she appears as like a vic the victim

01:38:44.220 um but there's also versions in which she is simply whalen's wife or that he takes her as a

01:38:54.540 wife and becomes the mother of um vidga um that's in threedric saga um so again these

01:39:04.700 you know placements do do change just like we spoke about with um like sax chromaticus's take

01:39:12.580 on Lord Odin

01:39:14.660 and Rindr

01:39:16.520 where it's said that he

01:39:18.560 forcefully takes her and that, but

01:39:20.520 then in

01:39:21.860 the Aedas, you know, he

01:39:24.040 states that

01:39:26.460 it was to

01:39:28.440 commence the birthing

01:39:30.420 of the god of

01:39:32.280 vengeance, Vauly.

01:39:38.660 So, appreciate you

01:39:40.500 guys

01:39:40.900 being with us as we went through the story as it sits now we have got one question

01:39:50.220 from the wolf throne do you believe in the yugas and you do you believe humanity was

01:39:57.880 once a utopia during the krita yuga perhaps it was the age of the hyperboreans

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01:40:45.740 So get yours while the getting's good.

01:40:51.560 As far as the yugas go, I don't.

01:41:03.060 So there are things that happen cyclically.

01:41:06.760 And I think that's just the nature of reality.

01:41:09.580 but what's much more important to me is what to do with that according to my understanding

01:41:16.220 of the hindu concept of the yugas i mean the current yuga that we're in started

01:41:25.420 in what about tens of thousands of years bc a hundred thousand like they're impossibly long

01:41:35.660 for us to even fathom and it's really hard to know because it's based on i don't know

01:41:46.140 what they base their math on but i think there's been a lot of

01:41:53.820 there's been a lot of different folks in the world that recognize

01:41:57.980 cyclical things that happen in time. There are macro cycles. There are micro cycles. There are

01:42:06.740 cycles within your own life. There are cycles within the life of a nation. There are cycles

01:42:12.180 within the life of a race. There are cycles within, you know, the planet. There are cycles

01:42:19.560 within the cosmos. There are cyclical things, and I don't want to suggest that there aren't.

01:42:24.200 but what good does that do if they're massive

01:42:28.380 wherever we're in is where we are were things better at one point in the distant past in the

01:42:38.640 distant past certain and we talk about that here we talk about that golden age where

01:42:43.620 these heroes existed in kind of a realm where the folk and the Aesir were much closer together and

01:42:56.100 interacted in a much more direct way. And I think we see that in all our mythos, that at one point

01:43:02.340 in the far back in a golden age, those things were better. I think conceptually, we seek to

01:43:09.340 bring about a golden age in the things that we do we long for a macro golden age but in the meantime

01:43:17.100 it's our job to fashion for ourselves our own ascendancy much like the wings of of uh volander

01:43:27.580 in the times that we have you know if we find ourselves in the wolf age and if this is in fact

01:43:34.700 that time then it's our job to fashion our ascendancy with within what we have within

01:43:42.300 the husk of what we have and so we can create our own golden age within the husk of the wolf age if

01:43:48.300 that's where we find ourselves um there's certainly something to those cycles but like i said the

01:43:56.300 kali yuga was supposed to start before our current understanding of history even starts

01:44:03.420 civilization and it goes past the time we live in so what do we do with that information if there

01:44:13.740 was a golden age you know five times longer than humanity has got any history to record

01:44:22.620 that's cool and it's interesting to contemplate but it doesn't really affect what we do

01:44:27.820 with the rest of our lifetimes we have the hand that we have and whatever age we find ourselves

01:44:35.260 in it's our job to bring it closer to that golden age and closer to the ideal condition

01:44:43.020 and we all have utility to do that and i don't think it really answers your question the way

01:44:49.580 you asked it but i think it's more important to contemplate what we do with it when people

01:44:54.940 and i've talked to a number of people like this when they reason that ah we're in the kali yuga

01:45:01.100 whatever like they throw their hands up and they do nothing and they waste their utility that they

01:45:07.980 have in this life to accomplish anything because we're in the kali yuga and they don't really

01:45:13.340 stop and think about what that means or that all of the history they know about of humanity exists

01:45:19.900 in the Kali Yuga. All of the times they look back to it like, man, that was awesome. I wish

01:45:26.520 I lived back then. That was all technically in that Yuga if you follow that system. So 0.93

01:45:32.600 it is a very, very easy excuse for escapism and for not doing good things and not building.

01:45:44.660 and there's such a tremendous potential for accomplishment around us that whatever age we

01:45:51.240 find ourselves in is relatively irrelevant because it is what it is and the question before us is

01:45:58.240 what do we do with it and undoubtedly each of the each of the ages presents a different set

01:46:06.980 of opportunities and a different set of challenges so to be aware of that I think is reasonable

01:46:12.600 But to wait it out, maybe our, you know, 10th great grandchildren will be, they'll just, you know, time it out and find themselves in the golden age is a gross abdication of our responsibilities.

01:46:29.880 What are your thoughts on that, Svon? 0.56

01:46:31.440 Oh, he also, uh, Wolfthrone mentioned too, that there are many golden ages within the Kali Yuga. Um, but I'm not familiar enough with, um, you know, Vedic branch of Arian is, you know, Arian faith or, um, you know, I can't speak well enough about the Yuga.

01:46:56.880 so i to answer the the the question plainly um you know i do believe in cycles i don't know about

01:47:06.640 the yugas but i do believe uh in runic um that the that the futhark is um cyclical in its nature

01:47:16.560 and that um it speaks of ages that uh each rune is kind of like an epoch of time this was taught

01:47:25.360 to me by my rune teacher john wagner who's uh was with a group called the nematon very long time

01:47:32.480 ago in the uh 60s and 70s um and he spoke of the idea that each of the runes uh represents these

01:47:43.760 kind of epochs of time and oftentimes they could cycle within themselves and that um upon learning

01:47:52.000 from him in in the like mid to late 90s he spoke of very clearly in his belief that we were in the

01:48:00.480 age of the sun in in so willow the age of awakening and i mean he lent towards ideas

01:48:07.440 that were pretty consistent with awakening uh the the coming of of ausitru uh the connection

01:48:14.800 that uh founder mcnalen had um that these these great movements towards the lights kind of

01:48:22.080 turning on and um you know before he passed away he even said you know you you will probably

01:48:30.560 witness the turning from the epoch of of of the sun um into the age of tiwaz into the age of

01:48:42.560 tir and i was like how would i even know that and again he left a very cryptic point he just said

01:48:50.560 when it happens you will know and i think that sigurheim and its foundation i think that uh and

01:48:59.520 this again was long before i joined the the astro folk assembly um is the fact that tears

01:49:07.360 off is being placed there at that, at the Capitol, um, is I think a sign of, um, that, that coming

01:49:17.160 age. So for me, I do believe in ages. I do believe in cycles, but I, I think mine are a lot more very

01:49:24.040 intimate and very real in the sense of there, uh, it's kind of hard. We don't, I don't quantify it

01:49:31.320 years, but I'm standing on the precipice of, of jumping into the next epoch, um, just based off

01:49:41.060 of kind of getting a chance to peek behind, um, the great wisdom that this man had that taught me

01:49:47.780 about runes. And, um, I, I told Al-Sherio Goli about that and I was very unsure. I didn't know

01:49:53.380 what to think i i thought the the man was kind of crazy a lot of the time um but it it was

01:50:01.400 fortuitous before i said anything everything was falling into pieces and i just wanted to

01:50:09.500 share that with al-siragothi like this is something that i was told a long time ago

01:50:15.500 i didn't know what to make of it and now all of this is happening and i couldn't

01:50:20.580 it it it floored me um and it has been one of those really strong kind of uh pitons of faith

01:50:31.800 that has was set um once i had heard that al-siragothi was buying the land um and that

01:50:42.420 one of the the temple that was going to be there so i do believe in cycles and that that brings us

01:50:49.460 to other thoughts like uh what does the age of tear look like uh you know how does the cycle

01:50:57.080 repeat itself um and how long are cycles if we're speaking about you know in the beginning uh of the

01:51:03.700 futh arc where there's expansion and uh you know there's uh the creation of matter um these you

01:51:14.120 know, must be massively long cycles. So how long was the cycle of the sun? And I've thought about

01:51:21.940 it, but I, it's just too hard to hammer out, I think. So to kind of tie up both things,

01:51:34.120 cycles are real and they happen all around us those who

01:51:44.360 and that's one of the things i've mentioned before too one of the the roots of our magical practice

01:51:53.300 is being spiritually attuned to the tapestry of earth and how that is woven and doing right

01:52:03.920 action at the right time getting in the flow of how things ought to be aligns with that and

01:52:12.500 allows for things to flourish the way that they should

01:52:16.680 that said an awareness of those things doesn't necessarily change your action or what you do

01:52:27.340 no matter where you find yourself in those cycles things happen cyclically you need to position

01:52:35.500 yourself to be in the right place at the right time to capitalize on those things but that said

01:52:43.180 no part of the cycle is the right time for you to just sit out and wait and adorn grandma's couch

01:52:52.220 um consistently pushing forward and putting your your shoulder to the wheel moving it forward

01:53:05.340 living nobly positions you best when something works fortuitously within the course of cycles

01:53:14.460 to capitalize on if opportunity presents itself and you know we're waiting it out

01:53:22.460 on mom's couch playing call of duty or whatever we're doing instead of building and making things

01:53:28.520 happen, we often miss those opportunities to capitalize on that and to ride the cycles that

01:53:36.420 are going to bring us closer to victories. So being aware of cycles is fine, but your awareness

01:53:46.020 of the cycle doesn't change your obligations to do right and fear no one. That's your obligation

01:53:52.520 in the lowest point of a wolf age

01:53:56.200 and in your highest point of a gold age.

01:54:01.320 Our next question.

01:54:04.640 My sister is going through a pretty serious crisis

01:54:07.920 and reached out and asked me about my faith

01:54:10.600 and expressed interest in it.

01:54:12.820 How do I help guide her home to our faith and our gods

01:54:16.160 without feeling like she's just using it as a coping mechanism

01:54:19.860 and not a legitimate interest in the faith.

01:54:23.480 So I would, actually, Svon, what are your thoughts on this first?

01:54:29.760 I read some of the comments later, too.

01:54:33.020 It said, let me see.

01:54:41.500 Actually, it's further low.

01:54:42.740 Yes, thanks.

01:54:43.700 Thank you, fellas.

01:54:44.820 This is Alexander James. 0.98

01:54:46.900 It's been quite vexing as she is, for better or worse, still a hardcore Catholic. 0.98

01:54:52.560 But today, ask me about my offerings to Ayer. 0.99

01:54:56.980 Ayer, of course, is one of the Alcineer.

01:54:59.080 If anybody needs to know, we pray to her for healing.

01:55:03.820 She is the source of benevolence that certainly sources from the gods.

01:55:12.920 And, yeah, I can't emphasize enough that when it comes to Catholics and Christians, in a general sense, I do not ever recommend that you go into ancestral worship.

01:55:31.820 And the reason why is it's kind of sad. Christianity teaches that every individual's soul is on the market. And unless they follow the X, Y, Z of the covenant to Yahweh, they're not getting into the afterlife. They're not getting to sit at the knee of Yahweh.

01:55:57.260 so great grandma could be just a great woman um and just exemplify all these great virtues 0.99

01:56:05.960 but she didn't do x y and z so going straight to Gehenna um and I prefer to use Gehenna

01:56:14.840 instead of the the word they stole hell um but yeah so you got to be careful with that because

01:56:23.720 uh some of that is viewed and i i know biblically too they speak about uh you know worshiping your

01:56:29.940 ancestors as being a pagan practice what you're starting to do though with air is very reminiscent

01:56:37.500 to what they naturally are inclined to do when they uh go towards mary worship um that is the

01:56:48.120 a senior coming out of them that is their need to have the polaric genders of the gods expressed 0.93

01:57:00.340 again it can't be contained for forever so you know they they are much like what wiccans do

01:57:10.080 They'll have a masculine and a feminine, but you can really tap into specifics or, you know, again, building a relationship there. Focus on air. 0.99

01:57:26.920 Um, you know, the, the other thing I would say is again, community is good and showing her that

01:57:35.240 there's a community out there getting out to a community or building a community near you is

01:57:40.600 extremely important. But, um, if she is of a faith that is heavily framed around prayer,

01:57:52.280 you can focus on home too, until she's ready to move into community. Community might be a little

01:58:01.720 too jarring at first. But then, you know, if she works on perhaps building her own harrow,

01:58:10.920 which as a Catholic, she may be used to doing. And there, you know, she can go through processes,

01:58:18.540 You could show her how to light a flame, how to ring, you know, a bell and announce.

01:58:25.740 You could show her how to speak out and ask the gods to be present.

01:58:31.440 You could show her about the way that we do, you know, in essence, communion.

01:58:35.840 We pour up, you know, a horn of mead as we say a prayer and we pour it into a clout bowl.

01:58:43.480 and then the hlout bowl is then given over as a gift to the gods so or a specific uh god or

01:58:54.360 goddess so you could start out small um doing home you know ceremonies um perhaps doing them

01:59:03.800 with her build some uh connection with her show her how uh a bloat is done with just a simple

01:59:12.600 hera all you really need is a horn and a hlout bowl everything converges to that moment when you

01:59:21.440 place the gift of your your piety or love your might into that mead and you place it into that

01:59:27.920 bowl the moment it transfers into the bowl is when it transfers to the gods and that's the starting

01:59:35.220 point you could get her to read about the gods um and then i would say eventually just bring her into

01:59:44.420 community and then introduce her to ancestral um you know making amends to with sometimes if

01:59:53.700 there's uh maybe modern ancestors or like closely related ancestors that she needs to

01:59:59.140 kind of work through you could you know do that as well but i would i would think firstly focus on

02:00:10.500 divine awesome i think that catholics strangely enough are one of the most um pagan

02:00:20.660 european expressions um that have you know existed in europe despite the fact that you

02:00:28.100 know they claim christianity and they claim to hold the covenant of of their god it is extremely

02:00:36.340 um european paganism and uh so there's not too far of a stretch for you there

02:00:43.060 it's just that you have the other thing is while you're doing all of this you need to address

02:00:47.780 their fear of gehenna um the religion is really really built on that caveat

02:00:54.100 that if they stray away from uh yahweh they will be punished severely and um that's going to be your

02:01:06.300 biggest hurdle and that doesn't matter if they're catholic or you know protestant or orthodox it 0.90

02:01:12.520 doesn't matter deprogramming them away from that kind of semitic enslavement mentality is is 0.79

02:01:21.360 going to be your biggest hurdle um yeah so there's lots and lots of right ways to do it

02:01:33.500 and you know your sister better than we do um but just a variety of options swan gave you some

02:01:43.500 his you know i want to start where he left off you are in luck catholicism is super duper pagan

02:01:50.400 They don't think that they are, but they are absolutely pagan.

02:01:56.800 Worship of saints, worship of Mary is literal idolatry.

02:02:06.740 The reverence towards relics, all of those things are super duper pagan.

02:02:14.800 so that mindset like if you label it that that causes a mental you know issue but if you don't

02:02:26.080 that's something ingrained and very natural um that's been allowed to flourish under Catholicism

02:02:34.540 just under a thin guise of being something else so I think that positions things really well

02:02:41.800 what I would say the biggest thing to get her to do is to not judge her feelings and her reactions

02:02:52.620 on things don't try to stop the process if she's like oh it's probably just me rationalizing

02:03:01.900 no stop whoa whoa hey pause don't do that is does this make you know how does this make you feel

02:03:09.620 okay so if this feels okay let's let's see let's learn more about this encourage her all the time

02:03:19.580 on it don't you're not going to convince her academically to abandon one faith for another

02:03:28.760 faith or to embrace and have a sincere relationship with the icer through you know logical debate

02:03:36.980 that's not how things work it's especially not how things work with women but i also don't think

02:03:42.020 it's how things work with you know sincere piety what you need to get her to do the best you can 0.98

02:03:52.320 is be in a spot where she's open to see you know hey i don't know but i will

02:03:58.920 i will give it a shot i will be open i'll be open-minded and have an open heart and see

02:04:05.620 see what's what okay fine and I would

02:04:10.000 you know her situation better than I do but demonstrating how real Alistar True is to you

02:04:23.460 through example is really important not through telling her that it's super important to you

02:04:29.880 but by showing her how important it is to you and what positive effects it has on your life 0.98

02:04:36.020 that is really good inviting her to and I don't know where you're located if you're near a Hoff 0.89

02:04:43.800 fantastic that's an ideal situation I'm not near the Hoff if you're not you get together with 0.74

02:04:50.740 other house or true or whatever context that is invite her to come with you don't force her to

02:04:56.360 be part of any ritual. She doesn't want to. And when I say force, like don't pressure her to,

02:05:01.180 but invite her to. And she might want to, or she might just observe you and the people you're with

02:05:08.400 treating it very seriously. And wow, these are really nice people. Wow. These, these are good

02:05:17.780 people and they really believe the things that they're doing. Hey, you know, I felt, I felt like

02:05:25.060 something special was going on there and maybe next time she goes and participates

02:05:30.660 these things start slow so i don't think there's any need to push any of it but invite her to

02:05:38.020 participate at whatever level she'd like invite her to be around it and when she's around it

02:05:44.740 to be open to it and open-minded towards it and it sounds like that opening has already occurred

02:05:52.100 a crack has occurred so allowing and encouraging that door to open more and more is gonna be a

02:05:59.940 really good way to let her see how real it is without trying to convince her or get her engaged

02:06:10.340 intellectually because it's not about that so yeah invite her and encourage her to be part of things

02:06:15.780 and see where it goes ah the next question and this is a

02:06:28.820 i am half scottish with a mix of welsh english portuguese and native american

02:06:33.700 would also true be right for me yes well so here's the thing are you really 0.81

02:06:40.500 there is a overwhelming cherokee princess phenomenon in the united states where

02:06:51.100 every family in the south

02:06:55.280 their their great grandma was cherokee 0.86

02:06:59.240 no she wasn't and in your case i don't know maybe she was but nine times out of ten no she wasn't

02:07:08.020 somebody in your family just made that up because it was cool at one point to pretend that

02:07:12.820 so are you really how native american are you is that a family legend or you know are you

02:07:23.060 a heap big native american like what is the truth of that look in the mirror and what do you see

02:07:31.380 um i think it's very common to hear those things or think those things in the united

02:07:37.380 states i don't know if that happens other places but you know for example elizabeth warren super

02:07:46.340 duper native american she is a proud native american not a drop of native american in her 0.99

02:07:52.660 she just made that up honestly probably not one of her family members probably made that up 0.55

02:07:59.380 and it sounded cooler to her than recognizing that she is a white woman

02:08:07.380 you telling me that you are scottish welsh english and portuguese with some native american tells me

02:08:14.820 you're probably a white person like the rest of us but if you think that you're native american and 0.66

02:08:22.340 you identify yourself as native american whether you are you aren't that's not welcome in the

02:08:28.900 australian assembly because we're about our commonality not you know one drop of real or

02:08:35.700 imaginary native american ancestry so when you say all that if you're 50 native american

02:08:44.180 and the rest is your european mixture of these other things then no house the truth is not right

02:08:50.500 but i think an honest self-reflection of what your your true ancestry is and

02:08:58.340 you know do you look like your native american or do you look like the rest of us

02:09:02.740 there's a truth in that and i know that the well actually crowd or the skull caliper guys

02:09:10.960 don't like that but there is a profound biologic truth that you know walks like a duck talks like

02:09:21.560 a duck probably a duck um that's that's the thing to ask yourself but again if you you know if you're

02:09:30.320 Elizabeth Warren you're like hi I'm I'm you know I don't know what she pretends her Indian name is

02:09:39.980 but whatever it is if you introduce yourself as hi I'm the Sioux chief whatever then no that's

02:09:48.920 not going to be welcomed and that's going to immediately cause an ostracism between you and

02:09:53.600 between us so give give that some thought and look in the mirror and see what looks back at you

02:10:00.180 and make sure that that's what looks back at the rest of us too

02:10:06.820 go ahead do you guys have character princesses in in iceland

02:10:14.580 no no i i think um it's like there's not even a sense of like who's closer to norwegian at all

02:10:24.660 in iceland it's just it's not really there um the um the one thing i was going to say

02:10:32.660 or actually two things one is that i have a very close friend who has worked in the genetic

02:10:42.020 like she works for um uh ancestry and um one of the things that she had always kind of emphasized

02:10:51.300 was anything under 5% is comparative. There's not actually a substantive connection between

02:11:02.280 those people. They just compare. And again, it can be based on migrations. It can be based on

02:11:10.700 a lot of different things through that area. There were people there once and now there are

02:11:17.140 not people there but you share a commonality or something of that nature so anything under five

02:11:23.380 we really find that a lot um i think our enemies want us to if you got two percent

02:11:32.980 uh i don't know like pacific islander uh micronesian and you got two percent you know

02:11:42.020 it starts to cast doubt in people's minds as to where they stand but i think you know and we've

02:11:49.780 said this before you've said this before do you look like us do you identify as us

02:11:57.300 that's the first steps towards you know coming into our our community um

02:12:05.380 when we look at you do we see that commonality with ourselves those are huge factors

02:12:12.660 we're not stating in any way there's like a denying of perhaps what your lineage before has

02:12:20.260 done if somebody in your family uh married outside of the folk okay but here we are are you you know

02:12:30.100 um of us look like us and identify with us because people get that that purity spiraling

02:12:39.860 so heavy and i think that's what our our detractors want they want us i have admitted

02:12:46.740 different companies have admitted to throwing in on white people's dna like two percent sub-saharan

02:12:53.940 africa that doesn't even make sense for that to genetically be the case there was no contact

02:13:00.500 between most white people's ancestors and sub-saharan africans far enough back for that

02:13:07.700 to be a possibility of two percent that's not even real um but they do take commonality so

02:13:15.460 i just point out a thing that wolf throne said that's kind of a fallacy people take he said

02:13:20.580 spaniards are ten percent um arabic but they're not some spaniards certainly are some spaniards

02:13:28.260 are fifty percent arabic some spaniards are zero percent but on the total on the whole perhaps

02:13:36.020 iberian peoples are you know are 10 on the total of of moorish ancestry but that doesn't mean that

02:13:47.700 every individual is and some people are much much more so and some people are much less so

02:13:54.740 some people are none some people are all um so when we deal with those as far as like

02:14:01.860 what areas of the world share your genetics it gets dicey because it compares across a baseline

02:14:10.020 commonality and not your individuality so don't get hung up on that you know who you are you know

02:14:15.300 what box you check when you're filling out a an application or a health questionnaire you know

02:14:21.940 these things let common sense guide you and don't let three percent dissuade you from 97

02:14:32.820 especially when it's theoretical um yeah but don't get don't get lost in the sauce on it

02:14:40.420 so next question have you ever been physically attacked by a demon and do you think there's

02:14:47.060 any validity to the people who claim to have been attacked by demons and have scratch marks

02:14:51.940 to show for it it's fun did daemon ever come get you um no and yes um no to i have never been

02:15:05.620 attacked by a um willful spirit with malicious intent um however i do believe that they exist

02:15:16.260 um i have seen a fair enough of evidence and uh testimony that i would believe that there are

02:15:27.720 um in our faith i think that they would be classified as a troll but a troll doesn't

02:15:34.460 really work because now people think of cutesy kid shows um another name that would be uh very

02:15:43.160 fitting is thurser, a thirst, um, a, uh, a being, uh, a remnant, uh, kind of produced from the realm

02:15:55.900 of resistance, Jotunheim, the realm of, of dissipation and venom, um, that flows out of

02:16:04.300 there and finds itself nestling into a deep, dark crack in the, uh, whether it's the spiritual

02:16:11.820 desert or the um the quite physically an outlanding place and they're just

02:16:22.780 they you know again as a yodnar of of the middle you know they're not the hrimthurser of nivolum 1.00

02:16:31.260 they're not must the the sons and daughters of muspel these particularly are egregious and they

02:16:38.380 remember the um the fact that the gods slayed emir and gave us on and they hold a lot of um

02:16:52.780 malice and they you know again slip into these cracks uh one of them recently that i i was just

02:17:00.060 reading about was in edinburgh scotland there is um the the black mausoleum in the cemetery the gray

02:17:12.780 friar kirk yard in edinburgh and there's a long history there about a protestant

02:17:20.700 um lord who tortured maimed and killed these uh groups called the the covenanters

02:17:28.060 and um it was terrible what what he did uh especially to his own countrymen um but again

02:17:36.760 that's protestant catholic wars and uh a lot of people try to say that that's his spirit but i

02:17:43.520 i think thurser or trolls are drawn to places of great um suffering uh and that's what often

02:17:54.940 draws them out of their uh places in the wilds and so um yeah so i i do believe in them i i i

02:18:05.020 think that so much so our ancestors had a word for uh a binding um magus or uh you know uh a

02:18:16.700 galderman uh which would you know would do word locking and that the word var the lock good um

02:18:25.260 the idea of someone who traps and binds these spirits and removes them from a place um but

02:18:34.620 again i've never encountered them i would be fascinated to go to like the the black mausoleum

02:18:41.580 uh there was a story too in relation to that there was a christian of some denomination who

02:18:48.220 went there to perform exorcisms and he died shortly after his attempt at the exorcisms he was

02:18:57.660 doing all of his things and it didn't matter it didn't work i i don't know if he was a priest i

02:19:02.940 don't think he was a catholic priest but he may have been like an anglican priest but he um yeah

02:19:09.420 he, he went there and attempted to exercise the area and, um, he fell in, in the, at the end.

02:19:19.800 Um, and he was, you know, exasperated and sweating. And he said, his last words were,

02:19:27.220 this is going to kill me. And, um, strangely enough, the picture that was taken right before

02:19:33.460 he fell shows a, uh, shadowy figure in the window of the, the, uh, the, uh, mausoleum

02:19:42.060 behind him. And so, uh, yeah, spooky and, and, and crazy stuff. I'm, I'm, you know,

02:19:48.720 I'm very interested in the paranormal. Um, I'm also, you know, very conscientious about how

02:19:55.540 the Catholic church and, and actors for the Catholic church have used paranormal

02:20:00.940 to push their ideologies but um yeah I believe thirst are out there and um and you know they

02:20:10.960 they can be a a threat if you will um but to the exact parameters but I mean you know people call

02:20:20.800 them demons people call them um you know poltergeists or what have you so we call them Hanks

02:20:28.660 hate now no but very seriously um we believe in gods we believe in valkyria we believe in the

02:20:41.580 philia we believe in our dead ancestors interacting with us it's naive and illogical not to think

02:20:53.840 that there are malevolent things that exist in the spiritual realm as well or in the non-corporeal

02:20:59.720 realm as well those things exist there are things that are specifically you know that we have a

02:21:07.280 cultural context for but we exist in a world where other stuff exists you know our lore talks about

02:21:15.100 wolves and walruses and northern european stuff but if you go to africa a lion's still going to

02:21:22.240 you if a lion wants to get you just because it's outside of our cultural context doesn't mean it's

02:21:27.600 not a real thing that can bite you so different religions may have different words for you know

02:21:36.800 bad hoodoo that's after you but those kind of things exist

02:21:42.400 I'll posit you know if and so malevolent spiritual entities exist and malevolent you know humans

02:21:58.900 beyond the veil or living things beyond the veil exist if a type of creature that you know

02:22:10.240 victimizes and treats you bad in corporeal interaction um

02:22:18.460 might spiritually come to steal your bike also you don't know stuff happens

02:22:26.240 well what i'm saying is though we try to one of the really important things about us that i think

02:22:37.260 is fundamental and i think is often lost we view ourselves as outside the system and we should

02:22:46.620 i think we as a people tend to do this a lot with nature um

02:22:51.980 we act as if nature exists somewhere else and we're like observers of nature as opposed to

02:23:08.840 we're within the system of nature we're part of nature the same thing exists spiritually

02:23:13.880 we treat all of this stuff like it's other and like it's this completely foreign interaction

02:23:20.120 and it's not we have life experience we know how to interact with other sentient creatures

02:23:25.940 just because they exist in a spiritual plane shouldn't make us terrified and all of a sudden

02:23:32.860 feel off balance and out of our element in fact the more you do so the more you give them the

02:23:39.620 opportunity to be scared look at creatures and all types of creatures

02:23:44.700 if you act all scared around them they tend to victimize you they're on two legs or four

02:23:53.340 if you act like you're scared of them you open the door

02:24:00.620 they would much rather attack soft targets than

02:24:08.620 people that look like they're you know they can handle themselves

02:24:14.700 Do the same thing spiritually.

02:24:16.420 Be spiritually strong.

02:24:18.260 Don't carry yourself like a victim.

02:24:20.320 And that helps.

02:24:21.740 Now, this is a long way.

02:24:22.560 I absolutely think that they're, like I said, are the spirits of dead people that are, you know, ghosts that are a thing.

02:24:31.560 You know, when it's amazing how when we interact with grandma at the altar, that's a thing and it makes sense and it's warm and fuzzy and it's nice.

02:24:41.340 But if we're in a place and there's another interaction with a dead person, that's terrifying and we treat them poorly.

02:24:51.520 And I don't think that's right.

02:24:57.320 Same thing is true with with a lot of things.

02:25:01.180 So there's again, there's ghosts and we've been through that.

02:25:04.400 But there's also malevolent spiritual forces that, for whatever reason, attach themselves to people or places. 0.97

02:25:12.460 Sometimes that's opened up through, you know, stupid ritual things that people do that they think is silly that folks on the other side may not think is quite so silly. 0.94

02:25:25.740 I think when you open yourself up to things. 0.98

02:25:29.500 Good night, baby.

02:25:31.120 Come here, get me up.

02:25:31.920 All right.

02:25:34.880 okay okay i'll come in and see you in just a second all right so anyways um

02:25:44.080 yeah those things exist and they look to take advantage of things and you

02:25:48.000 when you look into the abyss sometimes the abyss looks back if you you know go through

02:25:53.680 your golf phase and you set up your little pentagram thing and you try to summon stuff

02:25:58.160 stuff most of the time I think that's silly some of the time I think something comes through and

02:26:07.040 you're inviting chaos into your life and chaotic forces come in and damage happens I've known of

02:26:13.760 groups of people that I don't think take it seriously because dark and spooky and cool

02:26:21.200 will do ritual to interact with jormungandr or finrir or things like that i've seen those same

02:26:30.000 people i've seen their lives spiral into ruin and really bad things happen to them and their loved

02:26:39.200 ones because they've invited that force into their life so it's absolutely a real thing i've been

02:26:46.720 involved in helping cleanse spaces of paints for lack of a better term um or helping people to try

02:26:59.680 to stave off paints and such in their life i believe very much that they that they exist in

02:27:06.640 a real um but no i've you know hates don't want none of this i have not i've not experienced

02:27:15.040 negative spiritual forces interacting in my life in a way that i can perceive or am aware of i'll

02:27:21.040 say this too i wish i this is important to me to not come on here and bs you guys um

02:27:31.120 and i always try to be really mindful of that like i'm not going to tell you something that's

02:27:35.120 not true i wish that i had the ability to perceive these things in a way that other people do i think

02:27:41.680 i have the ability to interact with these things but to perceive them not so much but i've known

02:27:48.560 people who have that talk to me about them and their reactions to me or my reactions to them or

02:27:56.560 whatnot and i find that really really interesting and again it depends on who's saying it knowing

02:28:02.240 how much i buy into it or not but i very much believe those things and i think that

02:28:07.680 But just because you can't perceive them doesn't mean they can't perceive you, I think.

02:28:15.100 If they're forces that you recognize that have enough power to mess with your life, however it works on the other side,

02:28:22.460 maybe it's, you know, like an interrogation mirror or whatever to where you can't see through it, but it can see through you.

02:28:32.440 So keep that in mind, too.

02:28:34.880 But no, it's not an exact science.

02:28:36.480 I, you know, maybe one day also true, we'll have our own insert Old Norse word here for

02:28:44.500 demonologist, but those things exist regardless of culture.

02:28:57.400 I was heard ago that you're coming in kind of choppy and pixelated.

02:29:03.380 Uh-oh.

02:29:05.180 Perhaps while I hate this,

02:29:06.600 he's trying to text me right now.

02:29:09.200 Yeah, this has happened to me, too,

02:29:11.140 before when I was speaking of, like,

02:29:13.440 Thurser, et cetera.

02:29:16.480 At least for this, I can say it's on Matt

02:29:19.300 because you're loud and clear, Spawn.

02:29:23.140 Okay, yeah, Evil Monk is saying I'm frozen.

02:29:26.300 It's strange because I'm coming in really good

02:29:28.260 on my Wi-Fi, so this is really good.

02:29:31.640 and again so this is just something to note it's funny when you mention these things enough

02:29:39.080 then little stuff starts to happen yeah for whatever that's worth um

02:29:48.680 looks like we've got another i've got a three-part thing coming through go ahead swan i was i was

02:29:55.560 gonna say uh if you wanted to uh put obvs to bed i was gonna expound on one thing in relation to

02:30:03.400 the question we were just talking about with um the haggaziza or the the the the witch would we

02:30:12.040 when we do uh nornares not um i figured that would be a good time to kind of segue you're coming in

02:30:20.040 clear now but um the uh one of the things that i wanted to talk about is that there's a lot of

02:30:28.120 things that are substantiated in our faith that are is in relation to things that perhaps

02:30:34.360 lay members might not um correlate with uh the thurser to the demon if you will and another

02:30:42.840 thurser that is really prevalent is the hagazisa or the foul um the witch uh but we don't i mean

02:30:53.480 we don't say which which is kind of a broad term like alvar or dsir uh in reality dsir and which

02:31:02.520 share a commonality and function it's the spinning of fate it's the spinning of um the threads of

02:31:11.320 fate. So, you know, I, I kind of prefer to use the word like hag or, um, you know, uh, just, uh,

02:31:23.060 uh, uh, hex, uh, or haggaziza. Um, and these formulations are a key component to one of our 0.87

02:31:32.760 holy tides, Nornirsnot or Hexenact or Vosbergenoth, that holiday, that holy tide is really about

02:31:44.400 the menfolk are gearing up to go out and the womenfolk weave clothing that protects them,

02:31:54.060 burns herbs over them that protects them. So in essence, they're kind of using 0.88

02:31:59.080 their magic to fight this form, specific form of thirst. Thirsts of this type, the hag, are 0.99

02:32:11.840 feminine in nature, and again, our faith is always gendered, and so this applies just as much 0.99

02:32:21.740 to them uh the the the outsiders the the the jotens of the middle um the kind of the the 0.80

02:32:30.980 scourers of the dark you know you have thursers and then you have um the hogs and the hogs are 0.98

02:32:38.940 you know they delight in anything that throws against the sanctity of femininity 0.98

02:32:47.920 that throws against the sanctity of womanhood um you can kind of see the way they work their

02:32:56.420 you know ill magic um in the world is by making a mockery of these things um 0.88

02:33:05.800 and so you know i would say they're the reason why i wanted to bring it up is that they're

02:33:10.540 they're quite prevalent because uh thurser i think are are pretty um rare uh the the chances of of of

02:33:20.140 you know running into or encountering an entity like that is extremely rare but more so to

02:33:28.620 encounter hog or hag or hagas um they are uh so prevalent in our society today i think that and

02:33:42.220 and again a lot of people will try to say oh you're just you know demonizing or you know villainizing 0.63

02:33:49.580 uh womanhood no no in actuality they villainize they uh make a mockery of all that is feminine

02:34:00.620 um and what it means to be a woman that's all part of that but um you know you have these beings

02:34:08.620 and it's happened to me before i remember speaking to my brother uh brother-in-law about

02:34:13.740 our faith and we were talking about this and although like the light started kind of turning

02:34:20.240 off in the house and stuff um you know we don't um particularly look at say loki as a devil 1.00

02:34:32.360 he is bound he is an exemplification of kin slaying he is the you know the the the one 0.72

02:34:41.080 that's brought into the heavenly realm and, uh, you know, eventually turns against the

02:34:46.980 ice here in the worst way. Um, and he is bound. Um, but what does exist is again, the, the throng

02:34:57.720 of foul that comes from Jotunheim. And I, I've, I've spoken about this on other VNSs. 0.99

02:35:06.240 the middle world is surrounded on all sides you you have the the leos alfheim the the realm of light

02:35:16.400 smart alfheim the realm of energy and matter being you know compressed and transferred and then you

02:35:23.120 have vanaheim it's the source of life even down to the tiniest little tardigrade or or what have

02:35:30.240 you that that life that continues and moves in and then eventually you know all you know all things

02:35:37.280 do have to kind of pass so the cycle of life and death natural law comes from vanaheim and what

02:35:45.120 comes from jotunheim and it again is right in the middle with us is resistance dissipation um

02:35:52.880 What we could, in essence, consider venom, like venom going in and the retraction of that which is left. I mean, there's a reason why Mimir's Well is in Jotunheim. Time, all time, kind of exudes into that realm.

02:36:14.220 And so there's this symbiotic relationship between all the realms that needs to happen. Life needs resistance. It needs dissipation in order for it to grow and become stronger. But what comes out of this realm on top of that are resistant forces like the Hagazisa and the Thurse.

02:36:38.880 And so we do have these in our faith. I have never had the, been called to, you know, fix something of that nature. 0.98

02:36:54.180 I, um, you know, I don't know to how much it could be that say the hammer of the soul is able to affect things in our world, even though the soul has passed on. Um, because we do know that there are parts of the soul that remain here. Um, and so I, I don't know fully, you know, when people say it's a poltergeist and they're generally referring to, um,

02:37:23.320 a, a person, um, that once lived there, you know, and I, I would be untruthful to say that I did know

02:37:31.980 a hundred percent, but again, I think that whatever those entities are, um, that lurk kind of on the

02:37:39.220 edges of things, they, um, do like Al-Saragudi said, they prey on, um, weakness, they prey on,

02:37:49.180 uh, tormented families. They prey on families that have lost their, um, the, the, the strength

02:37:58.360 of them, whether it's, you know, the, the father or the mother or the children, um, once there's a

02:38:05.120 kind of a, a break in that. So it's very important that we tend to our garden. We tend to our family.

02:38:12.920 we make sure that our faith is strong in the gods and in our ancestors um and the last point i wanted 0.58

02:38:21.400 to make is so we if we have all of these thurser and hagas is flying around and and so on and so

02:38:28.120 forth um you know where do the gods fit in all of this i know that christianity has some odd

02:38:36.280 explanations for these kind of belief systems um but in reality is is that our holy gods are residing

02:38:49.400 in heaven and you know they're also residing in vonaheim as a source of life um but those

02:38:56.680 those priorities are built around interaction i think we interact far more with um

02:39:02.840 um vanaheim and uh light elves or alvar or lanvetir um that are connected to vanaheim

02:39:15.340 um however our holy gods do interact and i think they are far larger and more encompassing than

02:39:24.900 the middle world. They interact through that, that well in heaven. So their placement in the world

02:39:33.700 is, you know, it can be as active as, you know, I think it's been shown in stories, but I think

02:39:42.340 with, with great power, otherwise it, it seems to me that the holy gods interact with

02:39:49.080 the physicality of the world with the spirituality of the folk um and with the general cosmic

02:39:58.240 um sense through the well of earth that well that is in heaven and it descends down into that middle

02:40:07.580 our middle world um so do they keep track of every single being um no it's that in essence

02:40:20.680 that's the nornir doing that as they track the fates of men and and and all beings in the middle

02:40:27.460 world um but you know can they aid us in banishing these these uh forces i believe 100 but it does

02:40:40.180 also require us to step up us to bolster ourselves and uh you know so reaching out to a um 0.99

02:40:51.700 um gothar and having them uh to cleanse your home to help you uh take your garther back to do the 0.97

02:41:03.220 the land taking um or land nama that is you know massively important i think um

02:41:14.500 it if ever you run into that situation please reach out to the gothar of the

02:41:20.260 trafolk assembly so that we can see if we can help if you're ever encountering any of

02:41:27.860 any of that i've had only one situation and i didn't have to go out and do anything um

02:41:36.100 with a member speaking of um being uh tormented by a night terror

02:41:44.980 hug aziza um and i helped him with some things that could start to loosen that effect but

02:41:56.900 so a couple of couple of thoughts on it this is you know it's always a very interesting topic

02:42:04.020 because it's a topic we don't have a lot of lore on so this topic is something that has been

02:42:09.940 been a trail blazed very often in modern times and in different ways by different experiences

02:42:17.320 different people so the most fair the guy I've had the most fun doing an interview with that

02:42:29.560 most fair was a uh an anglican priest named father jack ashcraft and he is technically a

02:42:40.120 an exorcist for the angles for the anglican church um and he's been involved in some things

02:42:48.040 and so i think that different religions put a lot of different stuff in different contexts

02:42:53.160 but there's stuff out there that's you know there's bad hanks out there that you need to

02:42:58.680 cast out and that's a thing one thing that seems very much negative spiritual forces you know and

02:43:10.680 this cuts both ways too when you engage in ritual and you do ritual work you open yourself to the

02:43:22.200 spiritual realm and usually you're doing that in a positive way and bringing that in in a positive

02:43:29.880 context and that's fantastic when you use substances and again the astro folk assembly

02:43:39.320 does not condone or encourage the use of illegal substances if they're illegal to use where you are

02:43:44.520 at but it do our ancestors you know used different things to bring them closer to a spiritual place

02:43:53.400 be them you know psychedelics or other things and they have a tendency to open a open different

02:43:59.400 pathways that allow spiritual forces to more easily reveal themselves to you or interact with

02:44:06.440 you you open yourself up that way and you open yourself up to amazing beautiful fantastic things

02:44:14.520 But sometimes if you're not prepared and you're not doing it in a cognizant, aware way, if you're doing it in a stupid way or in a negligent way, or if you're in a bad place and you ought not be doing it because you are not prepared, you open up the opportunity for bad things to happen too.

02:44:38.500 And I think this happens to a little bit smaller degree, but we've seen it with alcohol and other things.

02:44:45.460 Our ancestors absolutely encouraged the use of alcohol.

02:44:49.520 They encouraged the heavy use of alcohol sometimes for spiritual purposes.

02:44:55.840 There was a lot of drinking in our ancestors' culture to put you in a more spiritually perceptive place to get you buzzed and feeling more spiritual.

02:45:07.300 and it opens it lowers your rational defenses and it allows spiritual things to occur

02:45:15.720 but you've seen the difference between people who are happy drunks and who are angry drunks

02:45:21.880 or people who are drinking to celebrate and people who get real nasty and maybe have a problem or an

02:45:30.040 addiction. I have seen, I have first read about, observed, learned, but I've also seen

02:45:38.640 real bad things happen to people who are in a state of addiction where they're vulnerable

02:45:46.260 to negative spiritual forces. That's a big pathway for those forces to enter in and to

02:45:53.320 do bad things to you and your, and your family. Now, some of that is you just being a jerk and 1.00

02:45:58.260 being irresponsible and doing bad stuff but another factor sometimes is negative spirit 0.99

02:46:05.620 spiritual forces having influence over you or interacting and entering into your life

02:46:11.380 so controlling that to where you're not doing you're not engaging in those things out of

02:46:17.460 addiction is really important and like you can tell a lot of those things like i said you've

02:46:23.940 while seeing the person that just gets real happy and real quiet and they're sleepy or whatever or

02:46:28.740 the person that gets in a rage and something's really wrong with them those are kind of indications

02:46:34.500 on when some of that stuff can happen just as you're in a more you know spiritually receptive

02:46:40.660 place when you are a little buzzed you're also any more receptive place for malevolent things

02:46:46.740 if you're not in the right head space when you allow that to happen um and the other thing i

02:46:52.980 I was going to, you know, we just need to be mindful of if there's positive stuff, then certainly

02:46:59.760 there's negative stuff too. And just be aware and modulate how you act accordingly. And don't

02:47:06.800 treat spiritual things frivolously. If you do a ritual, do it with intention. Do it directed

02:47:16.080 and purposeful with what you're doing don't ever do spiritual things in a silly way or a frivolous

02:47:24.240 way because sometimes they're more real than you think they are and i think that we've seen that

02:47:30.620 with kids that get involved in silly occult stuff because it's fun to be in your goth phase or

02:47:38.000 whatever and bad things happen i think we kind of beat it to death but it's a really important thing

02:47:43.320 it's a it's a topic that's that's fascinating and our last our last question tonight and it's

02:47:56.440 all right so

02:48:00.120 we often see our folk looking to foreign cultures and religions for a sense of belonging

02:48:04.920 it's always the white guy who wants to join the indian tribe it's become a stereotype and even

02:48:10.920 even other groups of people don't respect us for it. Do you think this is part of the soul sickness

02:48:16.560 of our folk, and how can we help our folks stop being ashamed of their heritage and embrace their

02:48:22.140 native folk way? First part is easy, and I don't even know if it's a real question. Yes, absolutely

02:48:30.620 it's part of the soul sickness. It is one of the biggest manifestations of the soul sickness.

02:48:35.180 us absolutely yes unequivocal the second part of how to fix it

02:48:43.640 this so first we are taught

02:48:51.200 we're taught that we don't have a culture that like white people culture doesn't exist 0.88

02:48:57.320 and that's objectively extremely silly but if you hear it enough and you're a child and you're 0.99

02:49:05.660 susceptible to it or you're just particularly ignorant then I guess you can buy into that or 0.98

02:49:12.260 whatever that thought is um and then we also get 0.95

02:49:21.980 so we need to be proud and

02:49:27.320 further the awareness of white culture generally

02:49:33.140 but secondly get them to be proud of it by being worthy of it by building this that we do 0.79

02:49:41.680 it's hard to do that when stuff is disordered and silly and backyard fighting over a big piece of

02:49:52.080 chicken stuff the more we establish hoffs and have dignified priesthood with our gothar

02:50:03.200 and have structure and order and build this to be the institution that is worthy of the

02:50:11.360 iser that's how people see that as a beacon of something they can actually be part of

02:50:17.500 earlier in the chat here or I think it was in a different chat but I I hear about that all the

02:50:26.860 time people hesitate because they go to things that exist that already have thousands of years

02:50:33.760 of tradition and cool stuff and cathedrals and stuff built into it

02:50:39.820 those things didn't just appear they started at one point and got there

02:50:47.500 It, in a lot of ways, it's cooler to be at year 1000 because you have shinier toys.

02:50:55.840 But everybody who is at year 1000 was once at year one.

02:51:02.160 Alistair True was once at year one too.

02:51:04.080 And for the longest time, it stayed at year one because every new year we had to start fresh because some new person's got some new better way of doing it.

02:51:15.760 And we have a lot of people amongst our circles that would have us continue to revert back to year one every four or five years when every backyard group implodes.

02:51:29.600 We're about to finish year 30 in the Outstreet Folk Assembly.

02:51:37.540 That puts us three decades into a forward progression of our faith.

02:51:43.320 If you're listening to this, I invite you, join us, build with us, so that we can make this the institution that shines as a light to bring our folk home.

02:51:58.740 We want to shine with the light of Balder so our folk can see the nobility of who we are, of our deeds, of what we do, and of our character, and that they feel proud to come home.

02:52:13.320 we have more of that than ever it's happening it will happen faster if you're with us so 0.68

02:52:21.520 let's do that let's make that happen

02:52:25.380 um and you guys being here as the audience is part of that um

02:52:31.400 I don't know if that's a yeah it's a wolf throne question you showing up here and asking these

02:52:38.020 things as you do is a big part of that, that makes this happen. And we need, we need as many

02:52:47.280 of you as we can to do more and to be more and build, to build something worthy of our ancestors

02:52:55.020 and worthy of our gods. And that's what we're trying to do all the time. Svon and myself are

02:53:00.980 completely devoted to that many of our amazing folks in the afa certainly many of our gothar

02:53:09.920 but also you know many of our our members and their families are all in on doing that

02:53:16.220 and the more of us who are engaged the farther we can go and the faster we can get there so

02:53:23.900 there's a lot of work to do join the team be part of what we're doing be part of making it happen

02:53:29.800 with that want to bid you all good night uh svan looks like he's got something he wants to throw

02:53:36.740 in so svan what do you got oh um there is one more question um that question came in a question

02:53:45.420 came in after i put a bookend on it well that's five minutes no i'm just joking i didn't see it

02:53:52.180 ahead with the final question well uh no i mean that's a just superb point that you said just

02:54:00.660 about the last question and making things worthy for the gods making this real is being in your

02:54:08.420 backyard is dressing in a tunic in shoulder pelts is that worthy of the gods do you really believe

02:54:14.900 that you know these people when you look around and you see them i had that very same question

02:54:22.180 um for a lot of folks i didn't you know i i joined the astro focus assembly in 2016.

02:54:28.180 i've been also true since 1994. um so yeah that looking around and going

02:54:37.300 is this really what should be done is this what makes is this worthy of the gods is this what

02:54:45.460 makes them proud so you know you find a lot of detractors who try to come at it from two angles

02:54:53.700 one they try to tear down the culture that we are building the culture that is formulating over

02:55:01.060 the existence of the acetate folk assembly and then the other is is that and that makes them

02:55:06.820 really no better than the people that say oh white people have no culture um but the other is is that

02:55:14.740 You find detractors who, again, constantly want to try to tear it down to year one or year zero and start all over again with their new cool thing that they're going to do.

02:55:27.720 And really what that is, the source of that is they have a defiance towards hierarchy, even though a lot of them will say that they perhaps are aware or follow ideology that promotes hierarchy.

02:55:46.640 But then the moment they're in it, if they're not on top making the brand new cool thing, they don't want to do anything with it.

02:55:55.320 And so you'll find these people rejecting and, and, and trying to, you know, find the, whatever they can find these little problems, these little things, they'll create their, their schisms, they'll create their kind of, you know, Butler in the shadows behind the curtain with the dagger.

02:56:19.220 that's they're just waiting to do that and a lot of times they're doing that because they don't

02:56:24.020 have the bravery to talk to their own community they don't have the bravery to approach the leaders

02:56:30.340 of the community um i know that even for myself like a lot of the issues that i have seen since

02:56:38.900 i've been in the um house of true folk assembly um you know people would raise a harang about

02:56:46.900 something and i was like you've never approached me about it and you know i am i i'm in contact

02:56:57.060 with the ulcer ago often we we have a friendship outside of this we talk about things you never

02:57:03.700 approached me about this why if it was so vitally important why didn't you come to me and you know

02:57:10.020 i would drive this up the hill and and and wave the flag um if there was a true issue but no it

02:57:17.940 was again it was the stalking butler that's what they were waiting for um you see this a lot too

02:57:24.660 with uh our detractors outside of alsatru where they perceive alsatru um in ways where uh it

02:57:36.260 should be universal etc and they think that you know i've seen comments just recently oh these

02:57:44.020 all of these people are going to nastron all of these people are not going to be allowed in val

02:57:50.340 hall and etc etc and i i always ask like what makes you think that you have the right of it

02:57:59.060 our ancestors have always warred with each other over ideologies um but at what point do you have

02:58:06.340 the confirmation to say that you know absolutely uh the god's decree of doom upon you or your

02:58:14.100 ancestors outside of what we've been told kin slaying you know breaking oaths and etc um

02:58:22.260 there's no answer it's fallen silent so

02:58:27.780 there's so much to be proud of in the culture of alsatru that you but that needs to be learned and

02:58:33.220 that needs to be gathered uh if you're trying to bring people home the biggest thing is um

02:58:40.500 you know emphasizing that they're here at this moment where we are dawning um a new return of

02:58:49.700 our folk culture um and the other thing is is that it's built on positivity

02:58:55.300 it's not built on negativity we're not out here pointing fingers and

02:59:02.340 throwing rocks no we're completely turning inward and we're building and that's i think scares

02:59:10.980 people more than anything they need the trope of knuckle dragging um you know gangster um

02:59:22.900 kind of again cartoonish villains um but in reality no we're focusing on building positive

02:59:30.740 we're focusing on on our structure our hierarchy and ultimately making the gods proud of us and

02:59:40.740 that i think scares them more than anything so find your source from there when you want to bring

02:59:46.820 people back is show them this explain it to them and get them involved um and i would say

02:59:56.580 anyone who's folk that you know get them involved um and you know get them uh to reach out to folk

03:00:06.420 builders and and join us because as i said we this is the not year zero we're we're 30 years

03:00:15.300 in and we are building and we are not stopping and the gods have blessed us greatly um you can

03:00:22.580 rally behind that you have that strength you have the strength of of all of us that that kin fence

03:00:28.740 is built you're not alone and you share that with everyone in the ostrich or folk assembly so

03:00:42.260 um yeah that was my rant all right so the last question is

03:00:51.700 interesting so um where's the story of all wives naming the drink for the different personalities

03:01:02.780 of the worlds um it's verse number 25 26 in the alvis mall

03:01:12.760 somewhere in there it's towards the end

03:01:20.040 alvis mall is what we're actually covering next

03:01:25.620 so that's funny that uh that he's asking that question

03:01:31.020 we're trying to find it super quick here

03:01:37.860 um

03:01:39.240 yeah they um so all wise 34 is it 34 okay i knew it was at the latter end

03:01:57.060 um and the big thing to understand i don't want to go too much into it because it's part of next

03:02:09.940 you know episode but um it is again one of those lore poetic lore drops where the poet um

03:02:21.200 oh yeah man nick was on it um no wait nick did you have it up

03:02:28.520 yeah so uh lord thor asks him about many things and he answers and this is alvis's answer towards

03:02:40.360 uh i can't even remember the question it's it's um

03:02:44.460 Answer me, Albus, thou knowest all, Dwarf of the doom of men, what call they the ale that is quaffed of men in each and every world?

03:02:56.960 Albus spake, ale among men, beer the gods among, in the world of the wains, the foaming bitter drought with giants, mead with dwellers in hell, the feast drought with sudden sun.

03:03:14.460 yeah i think this is super interesting about the like the beer um amongst the gods um oh did it

03:03:25.180 is it bright drought or bitter drought bitter uh bitter or bright i'm sorry bright drought

03:03:31.180 okay i didn't know because it would what was what uh nick had popped up was different so i was like

03:03:36.460 oh is there a translation i i copied straight from fellows bright drought yep no and again

03:03:44.700 because we've already encountered numerous uh spelling issues that's why i was like oh another

03:03:51.580 one no no you're good the one thing that makes me laugh is you both pronounce the drought 0.92

03:03:57.420 that word is draw draw or draft yeah um it yeah uh like we'd be americans we'd be dumb

03:04:09.500 i'm sure somewhere along the way back in the day it was pronounced you know drop there's

03:04:14.060 a lot of words in english that we use now that actual people from england are like oh

03:04:20.940 that doesn't sound right but then it turns out that's how it was said

03:04:25.260 like i mean like soccer is a perfect example of that uh soccer was the way the english word yeah

03:04:31.580 yeah um but yeah i i whenever i say draft it has a different connotation

03:04:40.540 and so i just prefer to say the word dropped um so but um yeah again this was for

03:04:50.860 the poet to transfer down really cool ways for other poets to say things to give them kennings

03:04:58.860 um and the fact that they you know he did it in a format like this and um you know that the big

03:05:06.780 reveal at the end is awesome it really does show the the true wisdom that lord thor has

03:05:15.900 um and we do talk about that a lot is you know our our gods are real and they're not caricatures

03:05:23.180 in the stories so they're not just limited based on perhaps the the trope they play in the story

03:05:31.660 um and i i love it when it kind of gleans towards that um that the uh you know the the lore does

03:05:41.260 not define the gods but this one really shows it is is uh how cool thor is in the way that he

03:05:50.700 handles things and uh alvis is a fun fact alvis is the same name as elvis um elvis is a nordic

03:06:02.300 and northern germanic name meaning all wise

03:06:05.660 there you have it on that we'll we'll end on that note this evening so um

03:06:17.340 join us next week as we will be talking about a new house the true hero that we're celebrating

03:06:26.620 with the day of remembrance we'll have a special episode on that next week um

03:06:32.780 As Svahn mentioned, two weeks from now, we'll be talking about the Alvis Mowl.

03:06:41.700 If you can, make it to Montana for Frayer's Harvest Feast.

03:06:46.140 It's going to be fantastic.

03:06:47.860 We want to see you guys there.

03:06:49.180 It's going to be awesome.

03:06:50.000 Looking forward to it.

03:06:51.940 And until next week, hail the Aesir, hail the folk, hail the AFA.

03:06:57.820 Remember, victory never sleeps.

03:06:59.900 Hang on.

03:07:29.900 Thank you.

03:07:59.900 Thank you.

03:08:29.900 We'll be right back.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - September 05, 2024

9⧸4⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 113 - Völundarkviða

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