In our first episode of the month of September, we cover a poem from the Eddas, a poem that has a lot of historical connections to the slavic nations. This poem is called "The Song of the Swan Maidens" and tells the story of the swan maidens and the dragon slayer.
00:03:00.000hello and welcome to another exciting edition of victory never sleeps
00:03:16.080it is our first episode it's hard to believe it's already september
00:03:22.560but it do it's our first episode of september um
00:03:30.000Top of the show stuff. Getting close, but we have Frayer's Harvest Feast coming up this month in just a couple of weeks. That's going to be the 20th through the 22nd. It's in Montana. If anybody can make it, I would love to meet you there.
00:03:48.700um be my first time attending the event and my first time um visiting a lot of the folks up there
00:03:59.480and i'm really looking forward to it so i hope to see everybody who can make it um if you're
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00:05:08.800fellowship time with the folks so i look forward to that
00:05:14.320couple couple few news and notes items um
00:08:14.780but is really special nonetheless and has some really powerful imagery in it
00:08:23.040and I think is just kind of a neat thing for us to go over.
00:08:28.340And I think it's apropos that we have Svan here, the son of Iceland,
00:08:36.480going to go into the story with the swan maidens in it.
00:08:41.420so swan uh swan what do you got to prep folks what what do we need to know before we go into the uh
00:08:52.220volander tonight um a couple things one this is one that a lot of people don't know about
00:09:00.540um and it it's it's more of akin to uh sigurd the dragon slayer it has a lot of historical
00:09:15.680connections it has a lot of migration period connections um you know most likely this poem
00:09:23.340um migrated northward and and that's uh another point that we had hit on earlier in in vns was
00:09:32.160the the um the battle bout between lord odin and lord thor may very well have been an influence
00:09:42.460coming from the slavic nations specifically pointing at the story of um perun and valace
00:09:49.920having a battle of words. This too is another example of a northward moving tale. So most
00:10:02.440likely picked up by the Anglo-Saxons from the Isles, but it has a lot of mentions about the
00:10:10.680So the origin of the story is probably somewhere between 500 and 800 of the common era.
00:10:20.760and this is like a uh it it has all of the elements if there is one story that really
00:10:31.560is just saturated with arian mythos this is this is it i wouldn't i'm not the only one
00:10:42.620But this is the one that is very hard to top. It has ascendancy. It has, again, the marking of a mortal's life by the gods with a sense of, you know, again, attaining heaven.
00:11:08.120Uh, it is just, it's, it's worth noting that in certain stories though, there is a vast difference between victims, um, some of the, uh, the victims in the old Norse story.
00:11:21.920And I think by the time the Old Norse really had written it down, the ascendancy and the idea of humans reaching kind of demi-godhood, if you will, was not entertained too much by society.
00:11:40.480But I think it was earlier. So you see a lot of questionable things going on, sometimes in the name of revenge, but in other stories, the victim of revenge is actually not even a victim, but is wedded, is a bride.
00:11:59.980So you see that a lot in these stories. Perfect example as well is in Saxo Grammaticus' version. Lord Odin, he forcefully throws himself upon the princess of the Ukrainians at the time.
00:12:23.400I'm forgetting their names in the story. They're not called Ukrainians, but it is of the people of that area. And he places this pretty violently, whereas in the Norse, it is clearly a union that's, you know, permissible.
00:12:45.000And so you'll see this a lot happen where stories will kind of twist the relations between elements and characters in the story for effect.
00:12:59.160And this is no, this one is very much one that's very, very aggressive, if you will. But we have to bear in mind that these stories have migrated across areas and they do have a tendency to change.
00:13:19.180Um, most people might be familiar with Wallander, with Wayland of the Anglo-Saxons.
00:13:29.060Um, and there's no doubt that he was honored, um, amongst the central European Germanic or Teutonic Arians.
00:13:40.040Um, and there is elements within this story that hearken even to a farther past, um, the construction of wings, much like Daedalus and Icarus, um, in the Greek stories of, of the, uh, inventor, if you will, um, trapped by the Minoans.
00:14:02.900So, Sagan, I said, or in the Kansas song.
00:14:10.040the kansas song oh no i'm you gotta you gotta bring me in the loop
00:14:18.840um no you'll get it the audience will get it nope
00:14:27.240what i want to say real quick just so everybody can follow along we're going to be going through
00:14:31.800as always the bellows translation and nick can put up the link but um look at any one that you would
00:14:38.440like any uh translation you'd like there's value to each but uh veluspau.org is where we're going
00:14:47.000for our particular translation that way you can kind of follow along at home um
00:14:55.560yeah that was apologize for the interruption i just want to make sure they're finding it
00:14:59.240so when we jump in they're ready it kind of gives me a chance to um because my mind goes
00:15:06.3605,000 times faster than my words. So it gives me a second to kind of reiterate what I'm trying to
00:15:15.780get across to everyone is that amongst the Anglo-Saxon people of old, Weyland oftentimes
00:15:26.520would be given offerings as a member of the gods, if you will. Perhaps they would list him as an
00:15:37.300house, but we don't know. It's not confirmed. We also don't know if the Old Norse gave offering
00:15:46.060um to him as well and and and what station he held but clearly he is considered elevated
00:15:56.640a mortal that is upon the earth and then ascends up to the gods um
00:16:06.120and it's kind of hard for people to differentiate when an author is trying to
00:16:12.760you hemorrhize or um humanize a uh divine being for various reasons whether it's
00:16:22.200christianity or for the sake of drama and the story um you know as they do say like uh in the
00:16:32.760um history of the yinglings lord odin and lord north are you hemorrhized as as people and i've
00:16:41.800I've spoken on that about how I think that those are representations of their cult, of their following of folk.
00:16:49.620But in this case, Volander, or Wayland, as the Anglo-Saxons called him, is a mortal who is taking note of his deeds, his deeds of vengeance, his deeds of retribution.
00:17:10.060And all of these things mark him as being elevated.
00:17:17.720And this speaks to a very, it's a great topic that very few people bring up.
00:17:25.120Well, you know, when we look at Saxonaut, when we look at Nehalania, when we look at Volander or Weyland, when we look at shield sheafing, the idea that there is a possibility that they could be ascendant or skirner, excuse me, of skirnismal.
00:17:52.480And I don't mean this in any sort of disrespect. But again, these beings are often very niche in their worship and are held sometimes strictly to only tribes.
00:18:09.200And I, you know, I'm not making a decree in that sense, but it leads to a great amount of evidence that they could very well be ascendant heroes, ascendant demigods, if you will.
00:18:28.300I guess that would be the only word I can, I could think of, um, where prayers, you know,
00:18:35.320are then brought to them, but that it's, uh, it's done not from an ancestor sense, but from
00:18:43.660a, uh, one who has been brought in, the mantle has been placed on to be the, the, uh, forge
00:18:53.260master or the, the Smith of the gods. Um, and you know, it, it, it's such a gray area because you
00:19:01.020have Volander, but then some people would say, well, like, why isn't Beowulf, uh, you know,
00:19:08.240such a, an ascendant? Um, and I'm not saying that he isn't, um, you know, I, I definitely,
00:19:14.980uh don't think that it would be wrong to give gifts to beovil but um
00:19:22.180that's the thing about this story it's it's really grounded in political machinations that
00:19:31.200are happening in sweden which again this story doesn't come from sweden so it's the you know
00:19:41.900the story of a king somewhere in our history. And it has a lot of intrigue. It has a lot of
00:19:54.140vengeance. It has a lot of murder. It is a extremely graphic and aggressive story for
00:20:03.820being as short as it is. And it is, well, you had mentioned fragmentary, um, because, um,
00:20:13.420the, one of the sections that this poem was written on was written on a break in the paperwork
00:20:19.260or in the papers. And, uh, a lot of it was lost. Um, however, there is connections to, um,
00:20:28.500the anglo-saxon poem called deor it's d-e-o-r there's mentionings of uh
00:20:40.260volander in there um and then there's also the uh friedrich saga um and that is uh another
00:20:52.260like lending to so this not only has it has multiple connections and and um you know connection
00:21:00.340points to other mediums and it's one of the few times in which old norse and anglo-saxon are quite
00:21:11.300clearly connected i think um a lot of folks or a lot of the scholarly types especially of the old
00:21:19.540would try to say that lord odin and lord wodan of the anglo-saxons was uh were different different
00:21:28.660gods and um you know on top of the names of the days of our weeks um being pretty
00:21:38.580spread about or you know later changed by christianity this is another example that0.98
00:21:43.220really connects us all um northern people are silly geese so yeah0.94
00:21:56.100i want to throw a couple of things out there first gw farnsworth bought us five0.81
00:22:00.980coffees it's 25 donation we appreciate you thank you very much he is a consistent donor to the
00:22:06.900program um one thing that on the side and a number of different afa chats um
00:22:22.980folks have questions and curiosities about the
00:22:28.980the unity of Aryan religiosity and I think that a lot of people don't try to logic it out
00:22:45.300because I've read historical works and like
00:22:50.620you know historians and archaeologists and whatever and they examine each
00:22:58.680group of gods, even though the names are clearly the same or, you know, phonetically exactly the
00:23:10.320same, but in the regional tongue, as if they're different pantheons of gods. And it lends itself
00:23:18.120to their area of study in a really specific scholastic way. If the gods are big comic book
00:23:28.240characters in an ancient people's you know ooga booga conception of the world but we know that
00:23:35.840that's not true so we know that these gods are real and they they're real personalities
00:23:42.000and we also know that as the creative forces that shaped our race and our people and our souls
00:23:49.200they've been with us as long as we've been a folk so you know logic bears out where did
00:23:58.320you know where did these gods come from you know because they appear in anglo-saxon england well
00:24:04.960how did they get there where were they before that what did the people that populated england
00:24:11.200worship before they went to england oh they worship these same gods but with linguistic
00:24:16.480differences in you know denmark and phrygia and the continent okay where'd those people come from
00:24:23.520oh they were slightly different when they were further east okay and if you trace it back
00:24:29.760you know logically these beings don't just spring out of nowhere and they've been with
00:24:34.800our people since the beginning um and i want to say that to kind of impart a
00:24:42.240something to consider with this, especially when we get into poems with sketchy historical
00:24:50.800references. You have oral tales of times that have been with our people since, you know,
00:25:00.800the good old days. And the good old days means something different depending on what people you
00:25:05.720talk to. You know, it amazes me. It amazes me looking back now at stuff. It's like, man,
00:25:14.200that's, you know, that's the, man, back in the good old days. And it doesn't seem like it was
00:25:19.460that long ago. It was 30 years ago. You know, when I was a kid in the 80s, something 30 years
00:25:24.260ago in the 50s, seems like it was ancient. Different people have different conceptions
00:25:28.140at times. But when the, the, the skulls of our people were talking about way back when in the
00:25:34.560golden age back when gods and men interacted in a more direct way when when these fantastical
00:25:41.940creatures were ever present in life these that period of time you connect it with as far back
00:25:52.120as you know and so you connect it with ancient heroes of the past and ancient times of the past
00:25:58.200that you can reference because that makes sense especially when we didn't have a thorough chronology
00:26:05.480of you know world history and so when we're looking at some of these things when we hear
00:26:13.320the tales of some of these very epic and very ancient heroes oftentimes their tale is much
00:26:20.360older than the historical reference points it's a tale that's been with our folk since that golden
00:26:27.160age when the gods and the folk interacted much more hand in hand in uh in that time and the
00:26:35.560story comes through to us with you know in different ways in different flavors over time
00:26:42.440and as i've always advised over here don't get when we are treating points of knowable history
00:26:50.520in a historical context it's one thing when we're talking about mythic time and mythic history
00:26:57.960don't get too caught up in specifics that you miss the point of the story trying to put it
00:27:04.120in a time or in a certain flavor um because that very much misses the point so the story of of
00:27:13.480volander goes back into deep antiquity and it's told in a context of geography that makes sense
00:27:23.560to the tellers of the story but don't don't get too caught up trying to place it in place or in
00:27:30.680time because it exists way back in the mists of our of our of our ancient memory of our folk
00:27:36.680i i i don't know if um i remember we were reading the um
00:27:54.840the reconstruction the the the donkey and the wagon wheel book i i the name wheel and the donkey yes
00:28:04.840deep ancestors deep ancestors and that was one thing i don't recall him expounding on
00:28:13.080uh a smith or a smithy of the gods um maybe i'm you know maybe i'm forgetting it but um
00:28:23.480it's been a while since i read the book but i i i could have swore that there was very little
00:28:30.040mention of that and the um general sense of smithing as being divine uh sometimes is of
00:28:40.520course it's tossed on to the dvergar or the svart alvar the spirits of the of of the deep
00:28:48.040spirits of matter and energy um and it was taught to us um and then other times it's clearly places
00:28:57.080a mantle upon a divine or semi-divine being um and i just i i can't recall if he went into that at all
00:29:11.800um in his book and i thought that was very kind of sad because of the the metallurgy that was so
00:29:20.120intimately connected to the spread of the um of our ancestors the arians or you know they call
00:29:27.960them the yum naya and the kurgan but specifically that generation of folk
00:29:35.800that were spurned on to migrate because of bronze age technology
00:30:08.960Kind of giving everyone a place orientation.
00:30:16.640And remember, this story most likely came up through the Anglo-Saxon lands and traveled up through along Denmark and Zealand and into the Nordic lands on the Baltic.
00:30:35.440And I think that the characterizations of exactly who the Kings are, uh, and who the, her, his daughter and his sons, et cetera, they, they have a tendency to change not drastically, but they do change in, uh, various tellings of this story.
00:30:54.900But again, it may harken back even farther, just like Atlee is most likely Attila in Sick of the Dragonslayer. It goes very far back. So bear that in mind, or just, you know, take it as it is for setting the stage.
00:31:17.080uh let's see there was a king in sweden named ned udur he had two sons and one daughter
00:31:30.180her name was bolt or both wild is how they spell it uh both wilder battle willing
00:31:40.400There were three brothers, sons of a king of the Finns, who was called Slagviv, another was Eyjil, the third Voland.
00:31:55.200They went on snowshoes and hunted wild beasts.
00:31:59.940They came into Ulfdallr, and there they built themselves a house.
00:32:06.240There was a lake there which is called Ulvziar.
00:32:13.140Early one morning they found on the shores of the lake three women who were spinning flax.
00:32:21.080Near them were their swan garments, for they were valkyries.
00:32:29.640Two of them were daughters of King Hlothvir.0.80
00:32:34.060Plavgöd, the swan-white, and Höver, the all-wise, and the third was Olrun, daughter of Kjar of Volunt.
00:32:49.500These did they bring home to their hall with them.0.60
00:32:54.900Eil took Ulrun, and Slagfidh took Swanwhite, and Volund took Allwise.
00:33:07.000There they dwelt for seven winters, but then they flew away to find battles and to come back no more.
00:33:16.660Then Egil set forth on his snowshoes to follow Ulrun, and Slagfiv followed Swanwhite.
00:33:26.760But Volund stayed in Ulvdallr. He was a most skillful man, as men know from old tales.
00:33:37.780King Nivud had him taken by force, as the poem here tells.
00:33:46.660So the intro is really interesting because we broach into the subject of swan maidens.
00:33:55.140And there's a couple of interesting things about this excerpt.
00:34:02.640One is their connection to living heroes or kings of the land.
00:34:14.340And again, these could be allegoric to the gods or to Lord Odin, but they're also said to have come from Valand, which is the, generally it's translated as the land of slaughter.
00:34:30.620um or i of course i'm always beating that drum remember val is also to to choose so it's the
00:34:40.860land of the chosen um and they come from this place and much like the silkies of um irish stories
00:34:51.660where the um you know the wearing of a seal skin um and then taking it off and taking the shape of
00:35:00.040woman this mimics that and uh but um i'm trying to see here too there's
00:35:11.560mentioning down in the notes because he translates here
00:35:17.000near them were their swan garments for they were valkyries but yeah it says right okay thought
00:35:24.440but i was looking down in the notes and one of the interesting things that he brought up was
00:35:31.000that the word that was originally used might have been helmed um and i i just now noticed that so
00:35:39.000now i'm like oh what is so i want to kind of go down that rabbit hole but um so these three maidens
00:35:46.600go with the three brothers and they live a life for themselves for seven years and then on the
00:35:57.100eighth year they uh or excuse me it's the eighth year um yeah seven winters but they flew away to
00:36:08.240fine battles, um, on the, the, uh, summer tiding of the following the seventh. And
00:36:15.820the two brothers leave to go find their loves, but Volund remains. And he is captured by
00:36:28.120Niduth, the king, um, for his mighty, mighty skills. And they reference that again. They say,
00:36:36.480You know, he's the most skillful man, as men know, from old tales. So there's probably a great plethora of stories that did not make it into the compilation that was probably known by the audience.
00:36:52.920But at the same time, King Nedud and Valund and Mirkwood, etc., these places are oftentimes, most people agree that they're poetic places used for the story and not referencing actual geographical sites.
00:37:49.700And I've tried to conceptualize maybe perhaps where Merckwood might be if it was a geographical site. And the only thing I could think of is the peak bogs and swamplands of Denmark, which would then make sense that they're coming northward across the Baltic or across the island chains.
00:38:13.540And they eventually find themselves here, far, far in the north, in the Loplander area, kind of in between northern Sweden and Finland.
00:38:31.540um so they stop and they rest and they begin to uh break down flax and start to spin it into thread
00:38:44.460and you'll notice in the writings there's these um perforations these these like
00:38:52.020lines of periods. And these are, again, part of those missing pieces, the fragmentation.
00:39:02.920So please, you know, bear with, like to understand, um, in two, uh,
00:39:12.460so again, there's just, there's pieces to it. Um,
00:39:27.720in three one in her arms took ale then to her bosom white the women the woman fair i do you
00:39:41.320know like to reiterate that when we speak about our faith being an ethnic faith um one of the
00:39:48.580key factors that leans towards an understanding of this is uh the beauty standards in which women0.96
00:39:54.960and men are often spoken of and one of this is of course the fairness and the kvitan the whiteness
00:40:05.360of the skin um so you know when we talk about the fact that our ancestors especially
00:40:15.200of northern germanic um descent our faith is an ethnic faith and it is constantly reiterated
00:40:24.960Based on those comparative connections, other people all over the world may speak about their stories and use beauty standards in relation to their ethnicity and or to, you know, economic factors within their social structure or what have you.
00:40:48.100And it's no different amongst our stories as well.0.97
00:40:52.580um so in four swan white second swan feathers she wore fragmentation
00:41:06.500and her arms the third of the sisters through next round volin's neck so white
00:41:15.200um and again this might be worth noting they're not speaking of volan's neck being white they're
00:41:23.340speaking of her arms being white um again this was also a sign and what i mentioned economic
00:41:31.380is that um you know the idea of having swarthy arms um being uh burnt by the sun because of long
00:41:41.520work whereas having white arms having uh arms that were not of you know toil is what's being
00:41:52.960referenced here and this is a clearly a beauty marker um to our to our ancestors fairness of skin
00:42:02.320um so in five and again this is just reiterating the introduction
00:42:07.920there did they sit for seven winters in the eighth at last came their longing again
00:42:14.240and in the ninth so that's interesting too because the introduction says that just
00:42:18.600the seventh um in the ninth did need divide them the maidens yearned for the murky wood
00:42:26.960the fair young maids their fate to follow and so they depart
00:42:32.460um while we have a sec i want to just acknowledge a monk just donated a hundred dollars to victory
00:42:44.400never sleeps thank you so much for that and a member in the new york's half district donated
00:42:50.44050 to our prison ministry fund and 30 to the new york's half fund so thank you so much for that
00:51:58.340we have mythic heroes that are more than mortal men of a later age that interact with um you know
00:52:12.260that are pursuing relationships with the valkyrie and it's told in a
00:52:21.700proto-history mythic time to where there's there's overlap between beings that are less than gods
00:52:31.660but that exists in kind of a mortal understanding of Midgard but these heroes are of epic proportions
00:52:40.100and they fight monsters and you know carry on romantic dalliances with you know semi-divine
00:52:50.900beings. So there's overlap. We see, you know, ascended, ascended mortals in that kind of a
00:52:57.280place when we look at servants of the gods. You know, when we look at, at Lord Frey's
00:53:04.720servant that he sent to go deliver messages to, what's, what's the servant's name, man,
00:53:15.900skirner we also see it a little bit in uh thor's um servants you see elevated mortals that serve
00:53:27.980positions of service to our gods in a place that's higher than their more mortal state in
00:53:35.260midgard so also when we talk about the term alf it's one of those terms that has layered meaning
00:53:43.980that can mean you know male ancestor but also means you know it basically means spirit and it
00:53:54.140means like ascended magical being from with magical knowledge from places the idea of
00:54:02.700metallurgy and smithing and taking you know curious stuff you find in rocks
00:54:10.460and making jewelry and weapons and armor is a very ancient and primal magic to our folk
00:54:19.100and it's one of the it's one of those things that defined our ancestors as they progressed
00:54:26.940in the world their ability to make stuff out of metal and to continually make superior things
00:54:36.860out of metal and that idea of smithing is inherently magical and is understood as such
00:54:42.620in uh in our lore from from ancient times
00:54:51.740so the the waning moon and neither than his men are moving up to the residency of volant
00:55:00.620um under the cover of darkness at night which again kind of also lends to its treachery
00:55:07.060um they're slowly moving in meanwhile roland is you know um in in maximum recline mode and he is
00:55:20.820on the bear skins, counting his gold rings, um, that he has, he has made and, um, enjoying his
00:55:29.700hot fire from the good dried wood that he had the forethought to prepare. And, um, in 14, it,
00:55:40.320it, uh, it states to so long, he sat that he fell asleep. His waking empty of gladness was so you
00:55:49.700can see here too, Bellows does this quite often. He, he awakens with no gladness or, uh, you know,
00:55:56.880he just kind of flips these words around, but that's, you know, the way his waking empty of
00:56:01.700gladness was heavy chains. He, he saw on his hands and fetters bound his feet together. So he wakes
00:56:10.340up, bound, tied, and imprisoned. And in his own home, no less. Volund speaks in 15.
00:56:27.680What men are they who thus have laid ropes of bass to bind me now?
00:56:33.300Then Nevudh called the lord of the Nyars, that's Nevudh, how gotest thou volant, greatest of the elves, these treasures of yours in Urvdalar?
00:56:50.980Again, another reference to him being greatest of the elves.
00:56:55.200and again this establishes an argument that some folks could have could say um but we see this
00:57:02.460again with rayon the smithy in sigur bloke or i mean it's excuse me sigur in uh sigur the
00:57:10.320dragon slayer um in which um he is trained by the svart allar um and i think that that
00:57:19.320connection is really being reiterated here. Um, let's see.
00:57:30.320So in 16, Volan speaks again. He says, the gold was not on Grani's way.
00:57:38.680Far, me thinks, is our realm from the hills of the Rhine. I mind, I mind me that treasures
00:57:48.580more we had when happy together at home we were so here is a specific reference to the rhine
00:57:56.100river um and i think that again this is the key point that lets us know this um this is
00:58:04.180an anglo-saxon tale but wait it's not an anglo-saxon tale it's a migration period tale
00:58:12.020um and so you kind of see these lendings and every time there's added layers to uh the this
00:58:21.780the spiritual essence of this story um and he you know he mined these treasures there
00:58:28.980in the heartland of the rhine um and in 17
00:58:33.780without stood the wife of neither wise and in she came from the end of the hall now excuse me it's
00:58:45.100worth noting too this most likely is that he has now been completely brought back from so he's no
00:58:53.140longer at his hall because you start to see these um the introductions of uh neither's wife and she
00:59:01.040I, you know, I'm not claiming that she was on the raid, um, and more likely too, it could,
00:59:06.560or it could be a possibility that Niviv was not on the raid, um, but is interrogating his prisoner
00:59:14.240after he's been brought back. So, um, without stood the wife of Niviv the wise and in she came
00:59:24.840from the end of the hall on the floor she stood and softly spoke not kind does he look who comes
00:59:33.880from the wood and she's speaking of voland and in essence she's she's saying he looks barbaric um
00:59:44.280he's probably got shoulder pelts on charcoal rune paint um one of those mohawk ponytails
00:59:51.960um it's just no kidding um but clearly you know of of no of the noble folk of of the people that
01:00:03.160live uh in you know proper housing and and bear proper weapons he looks like a wild man um0.98
01:00:12.280Um, King Nivudh gave to his daughter Bothveld the gold ring that he had taken from the bastrop0.92
01:00:25.420in Valand's house. And he himself wore the sword that Valand had. The queen spoke. Now you can also0.99
01:00:34.340see here the numbers start to end there's a a bunchy section in here um uh through translation
01:00:44.500um and then they restart but you'll also notice like in verse 18 it's the same thing it's
01:00:49.700then the numbers kind of become a little choppy um but yeah uh let's see
01:00:56.980so he's dispersing the wealth of the smith to his daughter you know he's wearing his sword
01:01:07.900um and again a sword is of vast importance in this age everyone in the audience would know
01:01:17.860you know it takes a lot it is very expensive to make a sword so much like a ship
01:01:25.800um and so to take another man's sword and just that's mine now and put it on put it on after
01:01:34.140all that work especially if you're the one that made it um and then the queen the queen excuse me
01:01:40.380the queen um speaks um 18. the glow of his eyes is like gleaming snakes his teeth he gnashes
01:01:56.780if now is shown the sword or both builds ring he sees let them straight away cut his sinews of
01:02:05.660strength and set him then in server cybers thaf excuse me cyber stuff um so at this point it sets
01:02:19.820one of the key components to the story is the maiming of volander um she says you know every
01:02:28.460time he sees the ring that he crafted every time he sees the sword he is just glowering
01:02:37.100at my daughter and he's glowering at my husband so how about we do this we make sure he can't
01:02:45.420you know come at us too fast or get away too fast we will hamstring him or or cut his um
01:02:54.700uh either the backs of his legs or possibly his achilles um so that he can't you know move
01:03:04.140and then we're going to take him and put him far away in a place where he's of of little um uh
01:03:13.100you know uh threat and the name uh cyber psi is like the word sea
01:03:23.260in um in english the ocean uh so it's like seastead so this could of course you know it's
01:03:32.220like it's referring to like a peninsula or an eye or an island so was it done in use in his knee
01:03:39.500joints were cut so you know most likely the back of the thighs behind the knees i have heard people
01:03:47.660suggest that it was the achilles um or that it was the knees themselves the front
01:03:55.820but most likely it was you know he was hamstrung um
01:04:01.500and he was set in the island of seastead was near the mainland and was called cyber stuff there he
01:04:10.380smithied for the king all kinds of precious things no man dared to go to him save only
01:04:16.860the king himself voland spoke and then it switches over to 19 at niv's girdle gleams the sword
01:04:33.340that i sharpened keen with the cunningness of craft and hardened the steel with the highest
01:04:39.740of skills the bright blade far forever is born nor back shall i see it born to my smithy now
01:04:50.300bothville gets the golden ring that was once my brides never welsh never well shall it be
01:05:01.260so again reiterating his his essence of revenge um his bride was and his lost love was supposed
01:05:09.580to get the ring um now and again this part here too uh and looking at it even in old norse um
01:05:25.260it's kind of super choppy and it's just an example of of this poem and how it comes out he sat nor
01:05:33.180slept it you know most likely would have been written he did not sit or sleep um but again
01:05:44.220the choppiness there um he sat nor slept and smote with his hammer fast for nithuth
01:08:08.060again the notes of revenge and the idea of not only being kidnapped in the middle of the night
01:08:16.700having your weapon and the ring of your love you know taken and kind of flaunted in front of you
01:08:24.820but also to be maimed to the point where you can never walk fully again um and then to be enslaved
01:08:33.800to uh you know uh make these these uh items for the king who did all that he's pretty after you've
01:08:45.600been maimed and like permanently disabled yeah he's he's but kind of a a note here um i don't
01:08:55.980if nick can throw it back up real quick but the stone carving that we used for
01:09:04.940today's i don't know cover art i guess for the episode is cool and it makes more sense when
01:09:15.340because a lot of the imagery of this particular passage is depicted on that so take a look at that
01:09:21.500when you get a chance i thought it was kind of cool it's a little bit different than how we
01:09:24.380usually illustrate these yeah uh nick do you have that that yep you just put it up um
01:09:33.020yeah yeah notice there's two bodies hidden behind the forge there with those two uh clipper or uh
01:09:41.420um tongs yeah off to the right yeah and it's worth noting that these stone are like when
01:09:53.180When we were talking about the Valkdot a couple of episodes back, you know, correspondence, the idea that, you know, an Icelandic professor, you know, in the story, Hrongnir's heart is three-sided.
01:10:10.020And then he takes a stone carving that has a symbol that has three sides.
01:10:17.840And he's like, no, that's, I'm going to suggest that that's Hrongnir's heart.
01:10:21.440very rarely did these stone carvings just have misplaced notes of reference. They were often
01:10:31.180encapsulated. If there's, you know, these kind of symbology of a war, symbology of a sacrifice,
01:10:41.120and symbology of riding a boat, or, you know, again, it could be alluded to that they're
01:10:47.100riding a boat beyond the veil or what have you. Uh, but yeah, to just take these, it's so
01:10:55.300noticeable. Like that's a perfect example. It, it is very, very clear. That's a thing too. If
01:11:03.040you're doing a different form of art where it's very, very easy to just add little random stuff
01:11:11.320to if you're carving stone it's it's very intentional you don't just accidentally make
01:11:18.600stone doodles like if you're chipping away at and carving into stone you're doing it very intentionally
01:11:29.160yeah i think and that's why i i don't believe that from near heart's theory about the valkna and we
01:11:35.240see it again too with with um in sigurd the dragon slayer when sigurd is sitting at the fire
01:11:41.400with uh rayon and this is done on a you know post-conversion church wall but it's super clear
01:11:48.360and they are eating the dragon's heart um on the spit um yeah because of the intentionality of the
01:11:55.220of the carvings i do not believe that again they're making doodles or that they're not placing
01:12:00.120things in simply for uh non-reference oftentimes you know there is meaning but i did also see that
01:12:10.040they've got one face of something to put as many significant pieces as they can into one spot so
01:12:19.640So everything is very intentioned and it's very dense with references because, again, they've got, you know, one relatively small space to encapsulate.
01:12:34.920It's not like they're illustrating a book. They're in one small area with great effort putting in maximum amount of density of meaningful things.
01:12:49.640Well, you can see it even with Svahn's work, the amount of open space that's in, say, the Njordshof mural versus the density of the Baldur's Hof mural, which is much, much smaller.
01:13:06.960right yeah the the ability and time versus and accessibility and the other thing too is again
01:13:15.280you know we don't know what that meaning is but we um we have a modern meaning of the symbol just
01:13:22.080like um the son and rod um or the you know equal armed cross uh these meanings of these symbols
01:13:31.440can affect different groups of people in different regions let alone different time frames um from
01:13:41.280you know our ancestors to now so uh that's i mean that's what i was i wanted to bring it up when i
01:13:47.040saw the stone um the choice that uh nick had got for this was spot on and it made me think of a
01:13:55.120lot of that but i digress because we kind of tangent off a little bit um
01:14:07.200so at this point um they are smote he has smoted them and um he is starting his plans for revenge
01:14:19.760so 25 their skulls once hid by their hair he took set them in silver and set sent them to
01:14:34.160nether's gems full fair from their eyes he fashioned to neither's wife wife so wise he gave
01:14:45.440them so there is um if you're speaking of like gaulish or celtic um you know history especially
01:14:57.920in the mainland there's there is a connection to the uh beheading of your enemies or beheading of
01:15:04.240your foes and kind of placing them in places um as kind of a a point of reference um perhaps as a
01:15:14.080a message but we see amongst the the norse particularly there is a connection to the smoting
01:15:24.000of one's offspring or one's enemy and like removing their head and fashioning it into something else
01:15:33.280like you know a bull this is also uh lent to in ale scala grimace uh grimson's saga um as well
01:15:43.360with uh eric the uh blood axe so um you can see this as a motif and again it's it really does
01:15:53.680catch the audience and it speaks of you know the this is what's gonna get um it's a trope
01:16:02.640of the story that's going to get the audience just really like oh this is this is getting wild
01:16:09.280and you know he places jewels in the in their eyes the eye sockets of the skull and he um
01:16:16.160you know gives it to them um and from the teeth of the twain he wrought a brooch for the breast
01:16:30.080to both veiled he sent it so from their teeth he created a brooch or a uh um a brock tiat as it's
01:16:39.760i guess referred to in in roman brock it is the pin a cloak pin um and then there's a fragment here0.59
01:16:48.880in 26 uh voland spoke 27 bauville then of her rings did boast more fragments the ring i have
01:17:02.240broken i dare not say it save to thee and voland spoke 28 i shall weld the break in the gold so
01:17:13.360well that fairer than ever thy father shall find it and better much thy mother shall think it
01:17:20.560and thou no worse than ever it was so here bob builds um and i you know in the poem versus
01:17:29.920storytelling it can seem very choppy but the idea of course that the children have gone to seastead
01:17:37.600to kind of look at the amazing amazing things that volander has done and uh kind of in you
01:17:44.080know in the way that i've told the stories yeah that they they sneak out there to see the riches
01:17:49.520um and then they you know disappear because nobody knew where they were going and then
01:17:55.840when these gifts are are given out it's not fully understood where they're coming from yet
01:18:01.440they're just getting the gifts from their smithing slave that they have um
01:18:08.720but it's then that both build realizes um where this comes from and she chops the ring0.99
01:18:18.960um you know and it's not stated how i mean i imagine with an axe and a baton but she
01:18:25.280she cuts the ring um and then goes to him and says you know this ring that you had for your
01:18:32.080you know the love of your life this this valkyrie woman um i've broken it i ripped it in half and
01:18:39.520he's like i'm a smith i'm going to i will fix it and it will be even better you can't you know
01:18:47.520you know it makes no no no matter the other point though is that she it could be that she
01:18:57.120broke it on accident but that you know it's so fragmentary it's hard to
01:19:03.200kind of place where the intention of that is going um in 28 or excuse me 29
01:19:11.040beer he bought brought he was he was better in cunning until in her seat full soon she slept so
01:19:22.040the the taking of beer she's uh you know either come to gloat or she's come to say that it's
01:19:32.340it's been broken accidentally she drinks or is offered to drink while he goes to fix it
01:19:39.840So I guess this would more likely lend to that it was accidental until she passes out.
01:19:47.820And Voland spoke, now vengeance I have for all my hurts, save one alone on the evil woman.
01:19:59.900And then, quote Voland, would that well where the sinews maimed in my feet by neither's men.
01:20:08.560And again, this is why I brought up the idea that, um, you know, he was maimed in the backs of his legs or he was maimed in his Achilles tendon or perhaps even the very bottom of his feet, um, is because it, it, it shifts around.
01:20:24.740Um, so he begins the, the, uh, vengeance, uh, or the second part of his vengeance in 31 laughing
01:20:39.100Vold and Rosa loft, weeping Bob Vild went from the aisle for her, for her lover's flight and
01:20:47.640her father's wrath. Um, so if anybody doesn't kind of realize what's going on is it's generally,
01:20:56.440it's, it's pretty, he, um, forced this situation with Bob Vild and she ran to get her father
01:21:07.760and, um, you know, to exact revenge against Volander. Um,
01:21:18.620without stood the wife of neither wise or outside is basically what they're saying,
01:21:23.960not without, but, you know, out of, uh, and in, she came from the end of the hall.
01:21:30.560And you'll notice that that's been repeated again, and that's a poetic meter. Um,
01:21:35.660but he by the wall in weariness sat wakest thou neither the lord of the nyars and neither spoke
01:21:46.46033 always i wake and ever joyless little i sleep since my sons were slain cold is my head
01:21:55.420cold was thy counsel one thing with voland to speak i wish
01:22:00.940so now the cat is out of the bag with the return of um
01:22:09.020uh both built and that's why i was implying to is she trying to gloat or did she do it by accident
01:22:18.620because when she returns it's all made revealed unless they you know found out or kind of put the
01:22:26.720pieces together on their own. Uh, the choppiness does leave a lot for the storyteller to try to
01:22:32.480cobble exactly how things are going, but neither is basically expressing that his evil kingship
01:22:41.560has brought him no joy. Um, his children are slain and, um, you know, his greed and his desire
01:22:54.560has led him to this point. So, uh, 34, and again, the assumption is, is that, uh,
01:23:03.320neither has moved to the isle to, uh, Scyther, uh, Stath. Uh, answer me, Voland, greatest of elves,
01:23:14.120what happened with my boys that hail once here.
01:23:23.980First shalt thou all the oaths now swear
01:23:28.420by the rail of ship and the rim of shield,
01:23:32.120by the shoulder of steed and the edge of sword,0.92
01:23:37.460that to Volan's wife thou wilt work no ill,
01:23:41.540nor yet my bride to her death will bring thou a wife i should have that well thou knowest
01:23:51.420and a child i should have within thy hall
01:23:55.720so one of the big things about this stanza i'm sure a lot of people in the audience are familiar
01:24:04.740with the placing one's finger on the edge of a blade when taking an oath. The idea here is
01:24:14.200very clearly stated, and that most likely it was done on many objects, whether it was on an oath
01:24:23.640ring, whether it was on the edge of a blade, the rim of a shield, or on the edge or the railing of
01:24:31.140a ship. So again, the unification of a person making oaths or a group of people making oaths
01:24:41.020and placing their hands upon the edge of something specifically for it to resemble that,
01:24:50.440like an edged piece. We don't know if they did this because of ease of placing hands,
01:25:01.140Or was it symbolic? You know, was the edging of an item, the shoulder of the horse, the, you know, the steel or the ship, was this seen as, you know, a place of fluidity, a place in which, you know, two realms are meeting, if you will, a kind of threshold.
01:25:25.160but um it seems again that this is just understood that these are where oaths can often be taken
01:25:32.000is on the on you know on the horse on the shield on the rail of the ship um and he you know
01:25:39.760he says like you you will not kill me uh or my my bride to be or my bride that i that i wish for
01:25:51.040um so in the last bit um in 36 seek thy smithy thou didst set thou shalt find the bellows0.67
01:26:11.700sprinkled with blood i smote off their heads of both thy sons and their feet
01:26:18.760neath their city the sooty straps i hid their skulls once hid by their hair i took set them0.96
01:26:28.840in silver and sent them to nithoth gems full fair from their eyes i fashioned to nithoth's wife so
01:26:37.920wise i gave them so again this is just reiterating and kind of taking the meter from before and
01:26:45.940placing it in here again. And from the teeth in 38, of the twain I wrought, a brooch for the
01:26:54.540breast of Bothveld I gave it. Now big with child does Bothveld grow, the only daughter ye two had
01:27:02.860ever. So again, there is the confirmation of the deception and forcefulness that Voland has
01:27:17.440committed on them as well. And neither speaks, never spakest thou a word that worse could hurt
01:27:29.820me, nor that made me. Voland, more bitter for vengeance. There is no man so high from thy horse
01:27:39.740to take thee, or so doady an archer as down to shoot thee, while high in the clouds thy course
01:27:47.960thou takest. Laughing, Voland rose aloft, but left in sadness neither sat. And I wanted to read
01:27:59.440those two parts together because it's, this is the part in which fashioned of, of metal wings,
01:28:12.080and this is not really emphasized in the poem, but it is emphasized elsewhere that he leaves
01:28:20.620via, uh, metal wings, um, rising aloft and that no, um, no archer can shoot him down.
01:28:31.540And he, he flies away while neither of his left, you know, just holding his head in his hands at
01:28:38.720the, at, at the doom that he wrought upon himself. Uh, in 41, then spake Nidhud, lord of the Njars,0.77
01:28:51.860rise up, Thrakred, best of my thralls, bid Bavild come, the bright-browed maid,
01:28:59.340bedecked so fair with her father to speak. Again, another beauty standard, of course,
01:29:09.600was not having a swarthy or wrinkled or sunburnt forehead. And that's what he means by bright
01:29:18.280browed maid. 42, there's fragmentation there. And is it true, Bob Vild, that which was told
01:29:29.220to me, once in the isle with Voland wert thou? Bothveld spoke, true it is, Nithith, that witch0.99
01:29:40.660was told thee, once in the isle with Voland was I, an hour of lust, alas, it should be,
01:29:49.980not was my might with such a man, nor from his strength could I save myself. It's pretty kind
01:29:57.880of clear in that relation. And it was, again, part of his vengeance plan. You know, and then
01:30:07.700it very abruptly ends. So there is a lot that's not, you know, being said in relation to Deor
01:30:24.640and in relation to, I immediately forgot it, I had it written up here, Thidrax Saga,
01:30:45.040um these you know the the the speaking of what way wayland or volander is doing and has done
01:30:56.720uh kind of fills in i think a great amount of the gaps or that in essence this may have been
01:31:03.400like the nordic version of a story you know um we know that our our nordic ancestors could very
01:31:11.160easily understand the anglo-saxon um language uh even up to iceland el skala grimson could speak
01:31:22.200amongst the angles because their language was so close to each other so you know that the whether
01:31:29.640the gaps are grammatical and problematic there or whether or not it's simply this is the north
01:31:37.800version of the story you know um it's kind of hard to to determine um
01:31:47.960but yes he flies and um she is left with a baby and then it you know like it abruptly ends um
01:31:58.680and again in this in the nordic version it doesn't really fully um speak of the wings
01:32:07.800if you will. But yes, the Thrydric's saga has more of a, you know, fuller account of the entirety of
01:32:24.860story um and in this you know um there's more players uh neither or neither's uh brother is
01:32:36.060involved um you know and then he collects the feathers um from arrows and you know that's
01:32:44.220that's what he makes wings out of or he uses them to cast wings in or smelt them or coats them in
01:32:52.380iron um there's a lot of different kind of um takes on that story as to kind of how it went
01:33:00.780about so i know it's fragmentary and i know that it's kind of hard to pin down but this is absolutely
01:33:06.940one of those stories that reflects like kind of heroic uh dramas it's a back and forth and um
01:33:17.100But it, again, speaks of an elevated being, Wallander, and his kind of escapade or, you know, just bombastic story of him in the mortal realm.
01:33:43.040man it's unfortunate this saga's got so much stuff missing and isn't
01:33:52.140as complete as it should be sure but what's really
01:33:57.340i don't know reassuring and makes it significant
01:34:02.280is recognizing its commonality to our folk there's versions of it
01:34:09.080In Anglo-Saxon England, in Iceland, in the Nordic countries, in continental Germany, there's lots of different references to this clearly common hero of our folk that is from a time and place that predates, you know, our separation, at least at those points,
01:34:37.680which takes it into you know the the migration era at least so it's really interesting when we
01:34:45.860get some of these stories that are very very old and some of these characters that
01:34:50.640occur in a lot of different contexts a lot of different places because it speaks to their
01:34:58.960significance culturally and to you know their long existing memory amongst our folk and that's
01:35:07.380that's powerful and it's a point of connectivity that
01:35:11.560um I mean I don't think we necessarily need more reassurance of the you know
01:35:20.780Pan-Aryan nature of a lot of these things but this certainly speaks to that in
01:35:26.760you know the Pan-Germanic realm for certain and uh so I think that's really important I think it's a
01:35:35.580It's a cool version of the story as we go through more lore and more things.
01:35:40.100There's little bits here and there that get added to it.
01:35:44.020The image of him overcoming and fashioning through time, through effort, through perseverance, his vengeance and his own ascension.
01:35:58.240The imagery of him ascending and laughing on wings of his own creation as his foe is left devastated lamenting all the vengeance that was wrought upon him for his misdeeds is a powerful image that's, I don't know, expressed here in perhaps a more poignant way than any of the other fragments and pieces of this story.
01:36:27.280And I think that's the really cool take home from it.
01:36:33.920Yeah, the connection to Deor is also interesting because it's only mentioned in two stanzas, but still worthy of being mentioned.
01:36:46.360um if anybody uh you know there is a an interesting retelling of deor and also a song
01:36:54.920of deor being performed it's a very old video it came out many many years ago um but yeah it's it's
01:37:02.760it's very interesting you can find the lyrics for it or the poem itself um uh listed and you know
01:37:12.100you can read right there amongst there that, you know,
01:37:14.800Weyland tasted misery amongst the snakes and his stout hearted hero endured
01:37:19.460troubles and sorrow and the longing as his companions, you know,
01:37:23.480cruelty cold as winter. He often found woe, uh,
01:37:27.000once Neathav instead of Neath, uh, laid restraints upon him.
01:37:31.920Supple sinews bound on better on the better man than went by.
01:37:37.340So can this. So in that sense too, with Deor,
01:37:40.940it talks about suffering it talks about being wronged and um i think that that had a greater
01:37:49.420emphasis probably too even in the stories is that there is this emphasis that you know you have this
01:37:57.020you know strong and mighty lord that's in that is in love and then his love leaves him so it
01:38:04.780was cursed to begin with in reality since the beginning and as he's waiting for her to return
01:38:10.140And he's, you know, shackled and taken away and forced to create these, you know, magnificent pieces.
01:41:03.060So there are things that happen cyclically.
01:41:06.760And I think that's just the nature of reality.
01:41:09.580but what's much more important to me is what to do with that according to my understanding
01:41:16.220of the hindu concept of the yugas i mean the current yuga that we're in started
01:41:25.420in what about tens of thousands of years bc a hundred thousand like they're impossibly long
01:41:35.660for us to even fathom and it's really hard to know because it's based on i don't know
01:41:46.140what they base their math on but i think there's been a lot of
01:41:53.820there's been a lot of different folks in the world that recognize
01:41:57.980cyclical things that happen in time. There are macro cycles. There are micro cycles. There are
01:42:06.740cycles within your own life. There are cycles within the life of a nation. There are cycles
01:42:12.180within the life of a race. There are cycles within, you know, the planet. There are cycles
01:42:19.560within the cosmos. There are cyclical things, and I don't want to suggest that there aren't.
01:42:24.200but what good does that do if they're massive
01:42:28.380wherever we're in is where we are were things better at one point in the distant past in the
01:42:38.640distant past certain and we talk about that here we talk about that golden age where
01:42:43.620these heroes existed in kind of a realm where the folk and the Aesir were much closer together and
01:42:56.100interacted in a much more direct way. And I think we see that in all our mythos, that at one point
01:43:02.340in the far back in a golden age, those things were better. I think conceptually, we seek to
01:43:09.340bring about a golden age in the things that we do we long for a macro golden age but in the meantime
01:43:17.100it's our job to fashion for ourselves our own ascendancy much like the wings of of uh volander
01:43:27.580in the times that we have you know if we find ourselves in the wolf age and if this is in fact
01:43:34.700that time then it's our job to fashion our ascendancy with within what we have within
01:43:42.300the husk of what we have and so we can create our own golden age within the husk of the wolf age if
01:43:48.300that's where we find ourselves um there's certainly something to those cycles but like i said the
01:43:56.300kali yuga was supposed to start before our current understanding of history even starts
01:44:03.420civilization and it goes past the time we live in so what do we do with that information if there
01:44:13.740was a golden age you know five times longer than humanity has got any history to record
01:44:22.620that's cool and it's interesting to contemplate but it doesn't really affect what we do
01:44:27.820with the rest of our lifetimes we have the hand that we have and whatever age we find ourselves
01:44:35.260in it's our job to bring it closer to that golden age and closer to the ideal condition
01:44:43.020and we all have utility to do that and i don't think it really answers your question the way
01:44:49.580you asked it but i think it's more important to contemplate what we do with it when people
01:44:54.940and i've talked to a number of people like this when they reason that ah we're in the kali yuga
01:45:01.100whatever like they throw their hands up and they do nothing and they waste their utility that they
01:45:07.980have in this life to accomplish anything because we're in the kali yuga and they don't really
01:45:13.340stop and think about what that means or that all of the history they know about of humanity exists
01:45:19.900in the Kali Yuga. All of the times they look back to it like, man, that was awesome. I wish
01:45:26.520I lived back then. That was all technically in that Yuga if you follow that system. So0.93
01:45:32.600it is a very, very easy excuse for escapism and for not doing good things and not building.
01:45:44.660and there's such a tremendous potential for accomplishment around us that whatever age we
01:45:51.240find ourselves in is relatively irrelevant because it is what it is and the question before us is
01:45:58.240what do we do with it and undoubtedly each of the each of the ages presents a different set
01:46:06.980of opportunities and a different set of challenges so to be aware of that I think is reasonable
01:46:12.600But to wait it out, maybe our, you know, 10th great grandchildren will be, they'll just, you know, time it out and find themselves in the golden age is a gross abdication of our responsibilities.
01:46:29.880What are your thoughts on that, Svon?0.56
01:46:31.440Oh, he also, uh, Wolfthrone mentioned too, that there are many golden ages within the Kali Yuga. Um, but I'm not familiar enough with, um, you know, Vedic branch of Arian is, you know, Arian faith or, um, you know, I can't speak well enough about the Yuga.
01:46:56.880so i to answer the the the question plainly um you know i do believe in cycles i don't know about
01:47:06.640the yugas but i do believe uh in runic um that the that the futhark is um cyclical in its nature
01:47:16.560and that um it speaks of ages that uh each rune is kind of like an epoch of time this was taught
01:47:25.360to me by my rune teacher john wagner who's uh was with a group called the nematon very long time
01:47:32.480ago in the uh 60s and 70s um and he spoke of the idea that each of the runes uh represents these
01:47:43.760kind of epochs of time and oftentimes they could cycle within themselves and that um upon learning
01:47:52.000from him in in the like mid to late 90s he spoke of very clearly in his belief that we were in the
01:48:00.480age of the sun in in so willow the age of awakening and i mean he lent towards ideas
01:48:07.440that were pretty consistent with awakening uh the the coming of of ausitru uh the connection
01:48:14.800that uh founder mcnalen had um that these these great movements towards the lights kind of
01:48:22.080turning on and um you know before he passed away he even said you know you you will probably
01:48:30.560witness the turning from the epoch of of of the sun um into the age of tiwaz into the age of
01:48:42.560tir and i was like how would i even know that and again he left a very cryptic point he just said
01:48:50.560when it happens you will know and i think that sigurheim and its foundation i think that uh and
01:48:59.520this again was long before i joined the the astro folk assembly um is the fact that tears
01:49:07.360off is being placed there at that, at the Capitol, um, is I think a sign of, um, that, that coming
01:49:17.160age. So for me, I do believe in ages. I do believe in cycles, but I, I think mine are a lot more very
01:49:24.040intimate and very real in the sense of there, uh, it's kind of hard. We don't, I don't quantify it
01:49:31.320years, but I'm standing on the precipice of, of jumping into the next epoch, um, just based off
01:49:41.060of kind of getting a chance to peek behind, um, the great wisdom that this man had that taught me
01:49:47.780about runes. And, um, I, I told Al-Sherio Goli about that and I was very unsure. I didn't know
01:49:53.380what to think i i thought the the man was kind of crazy a lot of the time um but it it was
01:50:01.400fortuitous before i said anything everything was falling into pieces and i just wanted to
01:50:09.500share that with al-siragothi like this is something that i was told a long time ago
01:50:15.500i didn't know what to make of it and now all of this is happening and i couldn't
01:50:20.580it it it floored me um and it has been one of those really strong kind of uh pitons of faith
01:50:31.800that has was set um once i had heard that al-siragothi was buying the land um and that
01:50:42.420one of the the temple that was going to be there so i do believe in cycles and that that brings us
01:50:49.460to other thoughts like uh what does the age of tear look like uh you know how does the cycle
01:50:57.080repeat itself um and how long are cycles if we're speaking about you know in the beginning uh of the
01:51:03.700futh arc where there's expansion and uh you know there's uh the creation of matter um these you
01:51:14.120know, must be massively long cycles. So how long was the cycle of the sun? And I've thought about
01:51:21.940it, but I, it's just too hard to hammer out, I think. So to kind of tie up both things,
01:51:34.120cycles are real and they happen all around us those who
01:51:44.360and that's one of the things i've mentioned before too one of the the roots of our magical practice
01:51:53.300is being spiritually attuned to the tapestry of earth and how that is woven and doing right
01:52:03.920action at the right time getting in the flow of how things ought to be aligns with that and
01:52:12.500allows for things to flourish the way that they should
01:52:16.680that said an awareness of those things doesn't necessarily change your action or what you do
01:52:27.340no matter where you find yourself in those cycles things happen cyclically you need to position
01:52:35.500yourself to be in the right place at the right time to capitalize on those things but that said
01:52:43.180no part of the cycle is the right time for you to just sit out and wait and adorn grandma's couch
01:52:52.220um consistently pushing forward and putting your your shoulder to the wheel moving it forward
01:53:05.340living nobly positions you best when something works fortuitously within the course of cycles
01:53:14.460to capitalize on if opportunity presents itself and you know we're waiting it out
01:53:22.460on mom's couch playing call of duty or whatever we're doing instead of building and making things
01:53:28.520happen, we often miss those opportunities to capitalize on that and to ride the cycles that
01:53:36.420are going to bring us closer to victories. So being aware of cycles is fine, but your awareness
01:53:46.020of the cycle doesn't change your obligations to do right and fear no one. That's your obligation
01:54:46.900It's been quite vexing as she is, for better or worse, still a hardcore Catholic.0.98
01:54:52.560But today, ask me about my offerings to Ayer.0.99
01:54:56.980Ayer, of course, is one of the Alcineer.
01:54:59.080If anybody needs to know, we pray to her for healing.
01:55:03.820She is the source of benevolence that certainly sources from the gods.
01:55:12.920And, yeah, I can't emphasize enough that when it comes to Catholics and Christians, in a general sense, I do not ever recommend that you go into ancestral worship.
01:55:31.820And the reason why is it's kind of sad. Christianity teaches that every individual's soul is on the market. And unless they follow the X, Y, Z of the covenant to Yahweh, they're not getting into the afterlife. They're not getting to sit at the knee of Yahweh.
01:55:57.260so great grandma could be just a great woman um and just exemplify all these great virtues0.99
01:56:05.960but she didn't do x y and z so going straight to Gehenna um and I prefer to use Gehenna
01:56:14.840instead of the the word they stole hell um but yeah so you got to be careful with that because
01:56:23.720uh some of that is viewed and i i know biblically too they speak about uh you know worshiping your
01:56:29.940ancestors as being a pagan practice what you're starting to do though with air is very reminiscent
01:56:37.500to what they naturally are inclined to do when they uh go towards mary worship um that is the
01:56:48.120a senior coming out of them that is their need to have the polaric genders of the gods expressed0.93
01:57:00.340again it can't be contained for forever so you know they they are much like what wiccans do
01:57:10.080They'll have a masculine and a feminine, but you can really tap into specifics or, you know, again, building a relationship there. Focus on air.0.99
01:57:26.920Um, you know, the, the other thing I would say is again, community is good and showing her that
01:57:35.240there's a community out there getting out to a community or building a community near you is
01:57:40.600extremely important. But, um, if she is of a faith that is heavily framed around prayer,
01:57:52.280you can focus on home too, until she's ready to move into community. Community might be a little
01:58:01.720too jarring at first. But then, you know, if she works on perhaps building her own harrow,
01:58:10.920which as a Catholic, she may be used to doing. And there, you know, she can go through processes,
01:58:18.540You could show her how to light a flame, how to ring, you know, a bell and announce.
01:58:25.740You could show her how to speak out and ask the gods to be present.
01:58:31.440You could show her about the way that we do, you know, in essence, communion.
01:58:35.840We pour up, you know, a horn of mead as we say a prayer and we pour it into a clout bowl.
01:58:43.480and then the hlout bowl is then given over as a gift to the gods so or a specific uh god or
01:58:54.360goddess so you could start out small um doing home you know ceremonies um perhaps doing them
01:59:03.800with her build some uh connection with her show her how uh a bloat is done with just a simple
01:59:12.600hera all you really need is a horn and a hlout bowl everything converges to that moment when you
01:59:21.440place the gift of your your piety or love your might into that mead and you place it into that
01:59:27.920bowl the moment it transfers into the bowl is when it transfers to the gods and that's the starting
01:59:35.220point you could get her to read about the gods um and then i would say eventually just bring her into
01:59:44.420community and then introduce her to ancestral um you know making amends to with sometimes if
01:59:53.700there's uh maybe modern ancestors or like closely related ancestors that she needs to
01:59:59.140kind of work through you could you know do that as well but i would i would think firstly focus on
02:00:10.500divine awesome i think that catholics strangely enough are one of the most um pagan
02:00:20.660european expressions um that have you know existed in europe despite the fact that you
02:00:28.100know they claim christianity and they claim to hold the covenant of of their god it is extremely
02:00:36.340um european paganism and uh so there's not too far of a stretch for you there
02:00:43.060it's just that you have the other thing is while you're doing all of this you need to address
02:00:47.780their fear of gehenna um the religion is really really built on that caveat
02:00:54.100that if they stray away from uh yahweh they will be punished severely and um that's going to be your
02:01:06.300biggest hurdle and that doesn't matter if they're catholic or you know protestant or orthodox it0.90
02:01:12.520doesn't matter deprogramming them away from that kind of semitic enslavement mentality is is0.79
02:01:21.360going to be your biggest hurdle um yeah so there's lots and lots of right ways to do it
02:01:33.500and you know your sister better than we do um but just a variety of options swan gave you some
02:01:43.500his you know i want to start where he left off you are in luck catholicism is super duper pagan
02:01:50.400They don't think that they are, but they are absolutely pagan.
02:01:56.800Worship of saints, worship of Mary is literal idolatry.
02:02:06.740The reverence towards relics, all of those things are super duper pagan.
02:02:14.800so that mindset like if you label it that that causes a mental you know issue but if you don't
02:02:26.080that's something ingrained and very natural um that's been allowed to flourish under Catholicism
02:02:34.540just under a thin guise of being something else so I think that positions things really well
02:02:41.800what I would say the biggest thing to get her to do is to not judge her feelings and her reactions
02:02:52.620on things don't try to stop the process if she's like oh it's probably just me rationalizing
02:03:01.900no stop whoa whoa hey pause don't do that is does this make you know how does this make you feel
02:03:09.620okay so if this feels okay let's let's see let's learn more about this encourage her all the time
02:03:19.580on it don't you're not going to convince her academically to abandon one faith for another
02:03:28.760faith or to embrace and have a sincere relationship with the icer through you know logical debate
02:03:36.980that's not how things work it's especially not how things work with women but i also don't think
02:03:42.020it's how things work with you know sincere piety what you need to get her to do the best you can0.98
02:03:52.320is be in a spot where she's open to see you know hey i don't know but i will
02:03:58.920i will give it a shot i will be open i'll be open-minded and have an open heart and see
02:24:22.560I absolutely think that they're, like I said, are the spirits of dead people that are, you know, ghosts that are a thing.
02:24:31.560You know, when it's amazing how when we interact with grandma at the altar, that's a thing and it makes sense and it's warm and fuzzy and it's nice.
02:24:41.340But if we're in a place and there's another interaction with a dead person, that's terrifying and we treat them poorly.
02:24:57.320Same thing is true with with a lot of things.
02:25:01.180So there's again, there's ghosts and we've been through that.
02:25:04.400But there's also malevolent spiritual forces that, for whatever reason, attach themselves to people or places.0.97
02:25:12.460Sometimes that's opened up through, you know, stupid ritual things that people do that they think is silly that folks on the other side may not think is quite so silly.0.94
02:25:25.740I think when you open yourself up to things.0.98
02:29:31.640and again so this is just something to note it's funny when you mention these things enough
02:29:39.080then little stuff starts to happen yeah for whatever that's worth um
02:29:48.680looks like we've got another i've got a three-part thing coming through go ahead swan i was i was
02:29:55.560gonna say uh if you wanted to uh put obvs to bed i was gonna expound on one thing in relation to
02:30:03.400the question we were just talking about with um the haggaziza or the the the the witch would we
02:30:12.040when we do uh nornares not um i figured that would be a good time to kind of segue you're coming in
02:30:20.040clear now but um the uh one of the things that i wanted to talk about is that there's a lot of
02:30:28.120things that are substantiated in our faith that are is in relation to things that perhaps
02:30:34.360lay members might not um correlate with uh the thurser to the demon if you will and another
02:30:42.840thurser that is really prevalent is the hagazisa or the foul um the witch uh but we don't i mean
02:30:53.480we don't say which which is kind of a broad term like alvar or dsir uh in reality dsir and which
02:31:02.520share a commonality and function it's the spinning of fate it's the spinning of um the threads of
02:31:11.320fate. So, you know, I, I kind of prefer to use the word like hag or, um, you know, uh, just, uh,
02:31:23.060uh, uh, hex, uh, or haggaziza. Um, and these formulations are a key component to one of our0.87
02:31:32.760holy tides, Nornirsnot or Hexenact or Vosbergenoth, that holiday, that holy tide is really about
02:31:44.400the menfolk are gearing up to go out and the womenfolk weave clothing that protects them,
02:31:54.060burns herbs over them that protects them. So in essence, they're kind of using0.88
02:31:59.080their magic to fight this form, specific form of thirst. Thirsts of this type, the hag, are0.99
02:32:11.840feminine in nature, and again, our faith is always gendered, and so this applies just as much0.99
02:32:21.740to them uh the the the outsiders the the the jotens of the middle um the kind of the the0.80
02:32:30.980scourers of the dark you know you have thursers and then you have um the hogs and the hogs are0.98
02:32:38.940you know they delight in anything that throws against the sanctity of femininity0.98
02:32:47.920that throws against the sanctity of womanhood um you can kind of see the way they work their
02:32:56.420you know ill magic um in the world is by making a mockery of these things um0.88
02:33:05.800and so you know i would say they're the reason why i wanted to bring it up is that they're
02:33:10.540they're quite prevalent because uh thurser i think are are pretty um rare uh the the chances of of of
02:33:20.140you know running into or encountering an entity like that is extremely rare but more so to
02:33:28.620encounter hog or hag or hagas um they are uh so prevalent in our society today i think that and
02:33:42.220and again a lot of people will try to say oh you're just you know demonizing or you know villainizing0.63
02:33:49.580uh womanhood no no in actuality they villainize they uh make a mockery of all that is feminine
02:34:00.620um and what it means to be a woman that's all part of that but um you know you have these beings
02:34:08.620and it's happened to me before i remember speaking to my brother uh brother-in-law about
02:34:13.740our faith and we were talking about this and although like the light started kind of turning
02:34:20.240off in the house and stuff um you know we don't um particularly look at say loki as a devil1.00
02:34:32.360he is bound he is an exemplification of kin slaying he is the you know the the the one0.72
02:34:41.080that's brought into the heavenly realm and, uh, you know, eventually turns against the
02:34:46.980ice here in the worst way. Um, and he is bound. Um, but what does exist is again, the, the throng
02:34:57.720of foul that comes from Jotunheim. And I, I've, I've spoken about this on other VNSs.0.99
02:35:06.240the middle world is surrounded on all sides you you have the the leos alfheim the the realm of light
02:35:16.400smart alfheim the realm of energy and matter being you know compressed and transferred and then you
02:35:23.120have vanaheim it's the source of life even down to the tiniest little tardigrade or or what have
02:35:30.240you that that life that continues and moves in and then eventually you know all you know all things
02:35:37.280do have to kind of pass so the cycle of life and death natural law comes from vanaheim and what
02:35:45.120comes from jotunheim and it again is right in the middle with us is resistance dissipation um
02:35:52.880What we could, in essence, consider venom, like venom going in and the retraction of that which is left. I mean, there's a reason why Mimir's Well is in Jotunheim. Time, all time, kind of exudes into that realm.
02:36:14.220And so there's this symbiotic relationship between all the realms that needs to happen. Life needs resistance. It needs dissipation in order for it to grow and become stronger. But what comes out of this realm on top of that are resistant forces like the Hagazisa and the Thurse.
02:36:38.880And so we do have these in our faith. I have never had the, been called to, you know, fix something of that nature.0.98
02:36:54.180I, um, you know, I don't know to how much it could be that say the hammer of the soul is able to affect things in our world, even though the soul has passed on. Um, because we do know that there are parts of the soul that remain here. Um, and so I, I don't know fully, you know, when people say it's a poltergeist and they're generally referring to, um,
02:37:23.320a, a person, um, that once lived there, you know, and I, I would be untruthful to say that I did know
02:37:31.980a hundred percent, but again, I think that whatever those entities are, um, that lurk kind of on the
02:37:39.220edges of things, they, um, do like Al-Saragudi said, they prey on, um, weakness, they prey on,
02:37:49.180uh, tormented families. They prey on families that have lost their, um, the, the, the strength
02:37:58.360of them, whether it's, you know, the, the father or the mother or the children, um, once there's a
02:38:05.120kind of a, a break in that. So it's very important that we tend to our garden. We tend to our family.
02:38:12.920we make sure that our faith is strong in the gods and in our ancestors um and the last point i wanted0.58
02:38:21.400to make is so we if we have all of these thurser and hagas is flying around and and so on and so
02:38:28.120forth um you know where do the gods fit in all of this i know that christianity has some odd
02:38:36.280explanations for these kind of belief systems um but in reality is is that our holy gods are residing
02:38:49.400in heaven and you know they're also residing in vonaheim as a source of life um but those
02:38:56.680those priorities are built around interaction i think we interact far more with um
02:39:02.840um vanaheim and uh light elves or alvar or lanvetir um that are connected to vanaheim
02:39:15.340um however our holy gods do interact and i think they are far larger and more encompassing than
02:39:24.900the middle world. They interact through that, that well in heaven. So their placement in the world
02:39:33.700is, you know, it can be as active as, you know, I think it's been shown in stories, but I think
02:39:42.340with, with great power, otherwise it, it seems to me that the holy gods interact with
02:39:49.080the physicality of the world with the spirituality of the folk um and with the general cosmic
02:39:58.240um sense through the well of earth that well that is in heaven and it descends down into that middle
02:40:07.580our middle world um so do they keep track of every single being um no it's that in essence
02:40:20.680that's the nornir doing that as they track the fates of men and and and all beings in the middle
02:40:27.460world um but you know can they aid us in banishing these these uh forces i believe 100 but it does
02:40:40.180also require us to step up us to bolster ourselves and uh you know so reaching out to a um0.99
02:40:51.700um gothar and having them uh to cleanse your home to help you uh take your garther back to do the0.97
02:41:03.220the land taking um or land nama that is you know massively important i think um
02:41:14.500it if ever you run into that situation please reach out to the gothar of the
02:41:20.260trafolk assembly so that we can see if we can help if you're ever encountering any of
02:41:27.860any of that i've had only one situation and i didn't have to go out and do anything um
02:41:36.100with a member speaking of um being uh tormented by a night terror
02:41:44.980hug aziza um and i helped him with some things that could start to loosen that effect but
02:41:56.900so a couple of couple of thoughts on it this is you know it's always a very interesting topic
02:42:04.020because it's a topic we don't have a lot of lore on so this topic is something that has been
02:42:09.940been a trail blazed very often in modern times and in different ways by different experiences
02:42:17.320different people so the most fair the guy I've had the most fun doing an interview with that
02:42:29.560most fair was a uh an anglican priest named father jack ashcraft and he is technically a
02:42:40.120an exorcist for the angles for the anglican church um and he's been involved in some things
02:42:48.040and so i think that different religions put a lot of different stuff in different contexts
02:42:53.160but there's stuff out there that's you know there's bad hanks out there that you need to
02:42:58.680cast out and that's a thing one thing that seems very much negative spiritual forces you know and
02:43:10.680this cuts both ways too when you engage in ritual and you do ritual work you open yourself to the
02:43:22.200spiritual realm and usually you're doing that in a positive way and bringing that in in a positive
02:43:29.880context and that's fantastic when you use substances and again the astro folk assembly
02:43:39.320does not condone or encourage the use of illegal substances if they're illegal to use where you are
02:43:44.520at but it do our ancestors you know used different things to bring them closer to a spiritual place
02:43:53.400be them you know psychedelics or other things and they have a tendency to open a open different
02:43:59.400pathways that allow spiritual forces to more easily reveal themselves to you or interact with
02:44:06.440you you open yourself up that way and you open yourself up to amazing beautiful fantastic things
02:44:14.520But sometimes if you're not prepared and you're not doing it in a cognizant, aware way, if you're doing it in a stupid way or in a negligent way, or if you're in a bad place and you ought not be doing it because you are not prepared, you open up the opportunity for bad things to happen too.
02:44:38.500And I think this happens to a little bit smaller degree, but we've seen it with alcohol and other things.
02:44:45.460Our ancestors absolutely encouraged the use of alcohol.
02:44:49.520They encouraged the heavy use of alcohol sometimes for spiritual purposes.
02:44:55.840There was a lot of drinking in our ancestors' culture to put you in a more spiritually perceptive place to get you buzzed and feeling more spiritual.
02:45:07.300and it opens it lowers your rational defenses and it allows spiritual things to occur
02:45:15.720but you've seen the difference between people who are happy drunks and who are angry drunks
02:45:21.880or people who are drinking to celebrate and people who get real nasty and maybe have a problem or an
02:45:30.040addiction. I have seen, I have first read about, observed, learned, but I've also seen
02:45:38.640real bad things happen to people who are in a state of addiction where they're vulnerable
02:45:46.260to negative spiritual forces. That's a big pathway for those forces to enter in and to
02:45:53.320do bad things to you and your, and your family. Now, some of that is you just being a jerk and1.00
02:45:58.260being irresponsible and doing bad stuff but another factor sometimes is negative spirit0.99
02:46:05.620spiritual forces having influence over you or interacting and entering into your life
02:46:11.380so controlling that to where you're not doing you're not engaging in those things out of
02:46:17.460addiction is really important and like you can tell a lot of those things like i said you've
02:46:23.940while seeing the person that just gets real happy and real quiet and they're sleepy or whatever or
02:46:28.740the person that gets in a rage and something's really wrong with them those are kind of indications
02:46:34.500on when some of that stuff can happen just as you're in a more you know spiritually receptive
02:46:40.660place when you are a little buzzed you're also any more receptive place for malevolent things
02:46:46.740if you're not in the right head space when you allow that to happen um and the other thing i
02:46:52.980I was going to, you know, we just need to be mindful of if there's positive stuff, then certainly
02:46:59.760there's negative stuff too. And just be aware and modulate how you act accordingly. And don't
02:47:06.800treat spiritual things frivolously. If you do a ritual, do it with intention. Do it directed
02:47:16.080and purposeful with what you're doing don't ever do spiritual things in a silly way or a frivolous
02:47:24.240way because sometimes they're more real than you think they are and i think that we've seen that
02:47:30.620with kids that get involved in silly occult stuff because it's fun to be in your goth phase or
02:47:38.000whatever and bad things happen i think we kind of beat it to death but it's a really important thing
02:47:43.320it's a it's a topic that's that's fascinating and our last our last question tonight and it's
02:49:27.320further the awareness of white culture generally
02:49:33.140but secondly get them to be proud of it by being worthy of it by building this that we do0.79
02:49:41.680it's hard to do that when stuff is disordered and silly and backyard fighting over a big piece of
02:49:52.080chicken stuff the more we establish hoffs and have dignified priesthood with our gothar
02:50:03.200and have structure and order and build this to be the institution that is worthy of the
02:50:11.360iser that's how people see that as a beacon of something they can actually be part of
02:50:17.500earlier in the chat here or I think it was in a different chat but I I hear about that all the
02:50:26.860time people hesitate because they go to things that exist that already have thousands of years
02:50:33.760of tradition and cool stuff and cathedrals and stuff built into it
02:50:39.820those things didn't just appear they started at one point and got there
02:50:47.500It, in a lot of ways, it's cooler to be at year 1000 because you have shinier toys.
02:50:55.840But everybody who is at year 1000 was once at year one.
02:51:02.160Alistair True was once at year one too.
02:51:04.080And for the longest time, it stayed at year one because every new year we had to start fresh because some new person's got some new better way of doing it.
02:51:15.760And we have a lot of people amongst our circles that would have us continue to revert back to year one every four or five years when every backyard group implodes.
02:51:29.600We're about to finish year 30 in the Outstreet Folk Assembly.
02:51:37.540That puts us three decades into a forward progression of our faith.
02:51:43.320If you're listening to this, I invite you, join us, build with us, so that we can make this the institution that shines as a light to bring our folk home.
02:51:58.740We want to shine with the light of Balder so our folk can see the nobility of who we are, of our deeds, of what we do, and of our character, and that they feel proud to come home.
02:52:13.320we have more of that than ever it's happening it will happen faster if you're with us so0.68
02:52:25.380um and you guys being here as the audience is part of that um
02:52:31.400I don't know if that's a yeah it's a wolf throne question you showing up here and asking these
02:52:38.020things as you do is a big part of that, that makes this happen. And we need, we need as many
02:52:47.280of you as we can to do more and to be more and build, to build something worthy of our ancestors
02:52:55.020and worthy of our gods. And that's what we're trying to do all the time. Svon and myself are
02:53:00.980completely devoted to that many of our amazing folks in the afa certainly many of our gothar
02:53:09.920but also you know many of our our members and their families are all in on doing that
02:53:16.220and the more of us who are engaged the farther we can go and the faster we can get there so
02:53:23.900there's a lot of work to do join the team be part of what we're doing be part of making it happen
02:53:29.800with that want to bid you all good night uh svan looks like he's got something he wants to throw
02:53:36.740in so svan what do you got oh um there is one more question um that question came in a question
02:53:45.420came in after i put a bookend on it well that's five minutes no i'm just joking i didn't see it
02:53:52.180ahead with the final question well uh no i mean that's a just superb point that you said just
02:54:00.660about the last question and making things worthy for the gods making this real is being in your
02:54:08.420backyard is dressing in a tunic in shoulder pelts is that worthy of the gods do you really believe
02:54:14.900that you know these people when you look around and you see them i had that very same question
02:54:22.180um for a lot of folks i didn't you know i i joined the astro focus assembly in 2016.
02:54:28.180i've been also true since 1994. um so yeah that looking around and going
02:54:37.300is this really what should be done is this what makes is this worthy of the gods is this what
02:54:45.460makes them proud so you know you find a lot of detractors who try to come at it from two angles
02:54:53.700one they try to tear down the culture that we are building the culture that is formulating over
02:55:01.060the existence of the acetate folk assembly and then the other is is that and that makes them
02:55:06.820really no better than the people that say oh white people have no culture um but the other is is that
02:55:14.740You find detractors who, again, constantly want to try to tear it down to year one or year zero and start all over again with their new cool thing that they're going to do.
02:55:27.720And really what that is, the source of that is they have a defiance towards hierarchy, even though a lot of them will say that they perhaps are aware or follow ideology that promotes hierarchy.
02:55:46.640But then the moment they're in it, if they're not on top making the brand new cool thing, they don't want to do anything with it.
02:55:55.320And so you'll find these people rejecting and, and, and trying to, you know, find the, whatever they can find these little problems, these little things, they'll create their, their schisms, they'll create their kind of, you know, Butler in the shadows behind the curtain with the dagger.
02:56:19.220that's they're just waiting to do that and a lot of times they're doing that because they don't
02:56:24.020have the bravery to talk to their own community they don't have the bravery to approach the leaders
02:56:30.340of the community um i know that even for myself like a lot of the issues that i have seen since
02:56:38.900i've been in the um house of true folk assembly um you know people would raise a harang about
02:56:46.900something and i was like you've never approached me about it and you know i am i i'm in contact
02:56:57.060with the ulcer ago often we we have a friendship outside of this we talk about things you never
02:57:03.700approached me about this why if it was so vitally important why didn't you come to me and you know
02:57:10.020i would drive this up the hill and and and wave the flag um if there was a true issue but no it
02:57:17.940was again it was the stalking butler that's what they were waiting for um you see this a lot too
02:57:24.660with uh our detractors outside of alsatru where they perceive alsatru um in ways where uh it
02:57:36.260should be universal etc and they think that you know i've seen comments just recently oh these
02:57:44.020all of these people are going to nastron all of these people are not going to be allowed in val
02:57:50.340hall and etc etc and i i always ask like what makes you think that you have the right of it
02:57:59.060our ancestors have always warred with each other over ideologies um but at what point do you have
02:58:06.340the confirmation to say that you know absolutely uh the god's decree of doom upon you or your
02:58:14.100ancestors outside of what we've been told kin slaying you know breaking oaths and etc um
02:58:22.260there's no answer it's fallen silent so
02:58:27.780there's so much to be proud of in the culture of alsatru that you but that needs to be learned and
02:58:33.220that needs to be gathered uh if you're trying to bring people home the biggest thing is um
02:58:40.500you know emphasizing that they're here at this moment where we are dawning um a new return of
02:58:49.700our folk culture um and the other thing is is that it's built on positivity
02:58:55.300it's not built on negativity we're not out here pointing fingers and
02:59:02.340throwing rocks no we're completely turning inward and we're building and that's i think scares
02:59:10.980people more than anything they need the trope of knuckle dragging um you know gangster um
02:59:22.900kind of again cartoonish villains um but in reality no we're focusing on building positive
02:59:30.740we're focusing on on our structure our hierarchy and ultimately making the gods proud of us and
02:59:40.740that i think scares them more than anything so find your source from there when you want to bring
02:59:46.820people back is show them this explain it to them and get them involved um and i would say
02:59:56.580anyone who's folk that you know get them involved um and you know get them uh to reach out to folk
03:00:06.420builders and and join us because as i said we this is the not year zero we're we're 30 years
03:00:15.300in and we are building and we are not stopping and the gods have blessed us greatly um you can
03:00:22.580rally behind that you have that strength you have the strength of of all of us that that kin fence
03:00:28.740is built you're not alone and you share that with everyone in the ostrich or folk assembly so
03:00:42.260um yeah that was my rant all right so the last question is
03:00:51.700interesting so um where's the story of all wives naming the drink for the different personalities
03:01:02.780of the worlds um it's verse number 25 26 in the alvis mall
03:01:12.760somewhere in there it's towards the end
03:01:20.040alvis mall is what we're actually covering next
03:01:25.620so that's funny that uh that he's asking that question
03:01:31.020we're trying to find it super quick here
03:01:39.240yeah they um so all wise 34 is it 34 okay i knew it was at the latter end
03:01:57.060um and the big thing to understand i don't want to go too much into it because it's part of next
03:02:09.940you know episode but um it is again one of those lore poetic lore drops where the poet um
03:02:21.200oh yeah man nick was on it um no wait nick did you have it up
03:02:28.520yeah so uh lord thor asks him about many things and he answers and this is alvis's answer towards
03:02:40.360uh i can't even remember the question it's it's um
03:02:44.460Answer me, Albus, thou knowest all, Dwarf of the doom of men, what call they the ale that is quaffed of men in each and every world?
03:02:56.960Albus spake, ale among men, beer the gods among, in the world of the wains, the foaming bitter drought with giants, mead with dwellers in hell, the feast drought with sudden sun.
03:03:14.460yeah i think this is super interesting about the like the beer um amongst the gods um oh did it
03:03:25.180is it bright drought or bitter drought bitter uh bitter or bright i'm sorry bright drought
03:03:31.180okay i didn't know because it would what was what uh nick had popped up was different so i was like
03:03:36.460oh is there a translation i i copied straight from fellows bright drought yep no and again
03:03:44.700because we've already encountered numerous uh spelling issues that's why i was like oh another
03:03:51.580one no no you're good the one thing that makes me laugh is you both pronounce the drought0.92
03:03:57.420that word is draw draw or draft yeah um it yeah uh like we'd be americans we'd be dumb
03:04:09.500i'm sure somewhere along the way back in the day it was pronounced you know drop there's
03:04:14.060a lot of words in english that we use now that actual people from england are like oh
03:04:20.940that doesn't sound right but then it turns out that's how it was said
03:04:25.260like i mean like soccer is a perfect example of that uh soccer was the way the english word yeah
03:04:31.580yeah um but yeah i i whenever i say draft it has a different connotation
03:04:40.540and so i just prefer to say the word dropped um so but um yeah again this was for
03:04:50.860the poet to transfer down really cool ways for other poets to say things to give them kennings
03:04:58.860um and the fact that they you know he did it in a format like this and um you know that the big
03:05:06.780reveal at the end is awesome it really does show the the true wisdom that lord thor has
03:05:15.900um and we do talk about that a lot is you know our our gods are real and they're not caricatures
03:05:23.180in the stories so they're not just limited based on perhaps the the trope they play in the story
03:05:31.660um and i i love it when it kind of gleans towards that um that the uh you know the the lore does
03:05:41.260not define the gods but this one really shows it is is uh how cool thor is in the way that he
03:05:50.700handles things and uh alvis is a fun fact alvis is the same name as elvis um elvis is a nordic
03:06:02.300and northern germanic name meaning all wise
03:06:05.660there you have it on that we'll we'll end on that note this evening so um
03:06:17.340join us next week as we will be talking about a new house the true hero that we're celebrating
03:06:26.620with the day of remembrance we'll have a special episode on that next week um
03:06:32.780As Svahn mentioned, two weeks from now, we'll be talking about the Alvis Mowl.
03:06:41.700If you can, make it to Montana for Frayer's Harvest Feast.