Asatru Folk Assembly - 9⧸6⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 61 - ᚾᛁᛃ

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00:03:00.000 hello everyone and welcome to another exciting episode of victory never sleeps

00:03:17.520 tonight we will be continuing our uh room series with witness fawn

00:03:24.000 i'm trying to think i got a number of things to mention at the top of the broadcast um

00:03:38.000 we we flipped months since the last time i've seen you so happy september to everybody um

00:03:46.240 in doing so i got a couple of couple of updates but first

00:03:49.520 uh hello to all of the folks listening on entropy on youtube on odyssey rumble

00:04:00.880 twitter and uh mvk and i think we gotta update our our twitter thing to the x instead of the bird

00:04:10.800 um but yeah we appreciate you we can take questions we have somebody ready to answer

00:04:17.360 questions on all those platforms um we can take any kind of tips or super chat questions bump

00:04:25.920 those to the front of the line on both entropy and rumble and yeah we appreciate our audience

00:04:33.600 on all the platforms that listen to us also keep in mind we are on spotify on fridays this episode

00:04:39.200 It'll be uploaded then.

00:04:44.920 So first, thank you, everybody.

00:04:47.740 We've got our lawnmower we were trying to raise some funds for to mow the massive fields of Sigurheim.

00:04:56.720 Appreciate all our members that have gone out there, volunteered their time to help make that happen.

00:05:02.640 Mower's there.

00:05:03.680 It's looking good.

00:05:04.520 It's working good and keeping Sigurheim beautiful.

00:05:07.720 so thank you to everybody who donated we appreciate you guys um next up upcoming upcoming

00:05:15.160 events so we have frayers harvest feast coming up very soon well very soon towards the end of this

00:05:22.520 month in montana and that's going to be on a member's uh homestead that he and his family

00:05:28.360 are building out there so that's very exciting um i'm not going to be able to make this one

00:05:32.920 but uh steve and sheila mcnalen both already have their tickets in hand and are set and ready to

00:05:38.520 be up there this is a good opportunity to meet them and if you're a member you should absolutely

00:05:44.200 be there if you can and if you are not and you're interested please reach out to your folk builder

00:05:49.720 and they can get you all set up um next up from that is winter nights for the first time winter

00:05:59.240 Nights is going to be held at Sigurheim. This event is usually held a little bit further north

00:06:07.160 and further northeast. The logistics didn't quite work out for that this year, so we're having it

00:06:13.400 at Sigurheim, which I'm very excited about. I'm very eager to show that off to all of our people.

00:06:18.600 It's an amazing, amazing place. The weather is going to be much nicer, well, much more

00:06:27.160 fit for human habitation here in October than it was for us at Sigurbloat there in July.

00:06:36.020 So it's going to be really nice. I'm looking forward to seeing you guys there if you can make

00:06:39.620 it. I have a lot of great people going to be showing up. It's actually going to be hosted by

00:06:44.860 Witten Clifford Erickson and his wife, Githya Katie Erickson. So we're excited. We're going to have

00:06:52.140 wow we're gonna have every member of the afa witten is going to be there

00:06:59.020 so that'll be awesome and hopefully we'll see you guys there then coming up after that in

00:07:05.940 november we're going to have a feast of the iron here you are in yes i just didn't want to miss

00:07:14.500 speak in south dakota so look forward to that again any if you want to come to any of these

00:07:20.600 events and you are a member, absolutely get yourself to these events. We'd love to have

00:07:24.460 you there. But if you're not and you're curious and you want to check them out, please make sure

00:07:27.320 you reach out to your local folk builder and they can get you squared away with what you need to

00:07:32.100 know. We'd love to have you. With that, just a couple financial things to keep everybody abreast

00:07:40.560 of how we're doing uh sigerheim can you throw up the thermometer

00:07:51.200 there we go looking at so we've got we're this the thermometer on this one doesn't show how far

00:08:00.080 we've oh yeah it does down at the bottom i gotta see because it's little on my screen so we only

00:08:06.240 owe $214,892.52. That is a huge amount of money, but keep in mind that is with another

00:08:19.200 multi-hundred thousand dollar loan that is also out simultaneously. And this is the amount of

00:08:26.560 money we've put on it since I believe December. So we're doing very, very well. Thank you for

00:08:34.080 everybody who's donated to help make that happen if you're interested nick will put up a donate

00:08:38.640 link here um but also while we've got it let's go ahead and throw up the thermometer ah there's the

00:08:47.120 donate link for sigerheim itself anybody listening on spotify that wants to help out with this go to

00:08:53.760 the runestone.org. R-U-N-E-S-T-O-N-E.org. And there's a donate link there. And you can donate

00:09:03.700 to any of our fundraising efforts, including the Sigurheim Fund, but also the fund for Frazehoff

00:09:12.680 and Njordshoff. So we're paying off Njordshoff. And that's what's going to get us to Frazehoff.

00:09:18.560 I've talked about this a couple of times. So everybody understands the first step in establishing

00:09:23.620 phrase Hoff means paying off New York's Hoff. And then it means from there, get into a couple 0.64

00:09:30.160 of other rubrics. But this is the big one. And as you can see, and appreciate Nick throwing the

00:09:37.260 numbers up for me on the side in a way I can read a little bit better. But as you can see, just

00:09:41.620 visually, we are well over halfway there. We're doing awesome. And we've had this for just a

00:09:46.560 little bit over a year. We got New York's Hoff last year in August. And that was a big chunk.

00:09:52.620 It's $245,000. So that was a huge, huge chunk. Our remaining balance on that is $139,627.72.

00:10:15.700 cents. That's huge. We've, seems like a big bill, but we're well over halfway to where we're trying

00:10:23.900 to, no, Nick messed me up. So producer Nick did this, blame him, not me. The actual number that

00:10:30.900 we owe, which is much, much better, even $105,372.28. Again, that's awesome. You can see from

00:10:44.800 the graphic. We're getting very close. I'm very excited to see this, and I appreciate

00:10:48.960 everybody's help. You guys are awesome. The way it averages out right now is, I think,

00:10:58.560 if each AFA member were to pay $119 and...

00:11:03.560 And I want to say, yeah, I forget the cents, but either way, 119 bucks will get us there

00:11:14.500 if everybody were to chip in.

00:11:15.920 I'm not expecting everybody to do that.

00:11:17.320 It just puts it a little bit into perspective.

00:11:19.540 But thank you, everybody.

00:11:20.520 Those are just things we're very excited about, and we appreciate y'all's help on.

00:11:26.360 Outside of that, the really exciting thing to announce today, today is the first day

00:11:31.980 of the second year of the Alcitru Academy. This year, we've got kids enrolled from kindergarten

00:11:38.420 through third grade, and those amazing kids started their first day of school today. We are

00:11:44.720 very excited for them, very excited for us, very excited for our future. We wish them the very best.

00:11:51.840 This is a program that Goethe Stamm heads up as the dean, along with some amazing,

00:11:59.160 amazing volunteers they put so much love into this program it's something beautiful that we've

00:12:04.280 all wanted to see for a very long time uh as the alzharia gofi i am extremely proud of this program

00:12:12.440 as a father who's going to be homeschooling his daughter i am so very thankful that we have this 0.82

00:12:17.080 resource and uh yeah i can't say it enough so very excited if you have kids that are between the

00:12:25.800 the age ranges for k through third please reach out um rstam with two m's at runestone.org

00:12:36.200 if you would like to enroll your children in that it's not too late

00:12:40.360 and uh yeah i think that's what we've got at the top of the program without further ado

00:12:45.720 it's fun can you tell these folks and i think it's working out pretty good our uh breaking

00:12:57.160 them up into three per show like we've been doing so if anybody is completely unfamiliar

00:13:07.000 if you could go ahead and get folks um

00:13:10.840 I'm sorry. Get folks started with the Rune Nouthis. If they've got no familiarity,

00:13:19.080 what do we need to know about the Rune Nouthis? Well, right out the gate, I wanted to apologize

00:13:25.180 if I seem to be having slight camera or at least freezing issues. I don't know. Maybe it's not

00:13:31.220 camera. It's internet issues. So if I freeze time, I apologize. Um, so yeah, we've been doing pretty

00:13:40.620 good splitting them up. Uh, I think, you know, it's digestible in threes and, um, it's interesting

00:13:47.420 too, because it, it forces us to look at it slightly differently. Normally the, um, the,

00:13:53.000 the three Ecter, the three families of the runes are done in eight, but that's way too much to be

00:13:58.800 able to kind of go over everything. I mean, right now we're moving into, we're in the second rune

00:14:04.040 of the Norn runes, the three runes. And that kind of, again, harkens us back to last episode with

00:14:10.800 Hagalaz. Hagalaz is kind of the coming of the thirst maidens to the gods in the great epoch

00:14:19.920 stories of the runes. And so whereas Hagalaz represents the culmination of action and the

00:14:28.760 condensement of fate, this one truly represents Verðandi, the Nornir or the witch of fate

00:14:36.160 that is present time. So Nothis in its symbology could kind of be interpreted as a line of fate

00:14:46.640 being crossed by another line of fate and this is more or less a consequence of action indeed

00:14:55.040 um but this this rune nathis means need and so it's one of the first runes where we're

00:15:02.720 we're getting outside of perhaps something tangible um us or or ansus could kind of

00:15:09.840 of play in that, but Ansu's can be interpreted simply as a god or the gods. Um, and so you're

00:15:18.580 still kind of tangible. Nothis is the first one where, where we get into, well, actually,

00:15:25.100 correction, Joy, Winyo would be, I guess, somewhat intangible as well. So Nothis is kind of like

00:15:33.000 in the opposite of this celebration of joy and winyo, Nothis is a need. Nothis is the rune of

00:15:40.160 toil. Nothis is the rune of constraint. It's the resistance that is needed in order to begin the

00:15:48.580 growth process. I think that this rune really does represent a couple of things in the stories

00:15:54.860 that we've been talking about during VNS is about these, the runic epochs, if you will,

00:16:00.660 is that Jotunheim, and ultimately where the Nornir are said to come from, is a place of resistance,

00:16:09.200 is a place that exudes levels of chaos and resistance against things. And it is the rest

00:16:19.240 that's flowing forward that is trying to adapt, overcome, grow from that resistance. And it

00:16:26.580 culminates in this rune. So this rune represents Verðandi, the middle Nurnir. There are three,

00:16:35.040 and Hagalaz was Öðr, and then now we have Verðandi. And Verðandi is what is becoming.

00:16:47.000 So the way that we look at it, much like in our language, is that there is really a future. The

00:16:52.940 future isn't uh predestined in the sense that even in our language when we say like we ran

00:17:01.500 you know we run or we will run we we willfully manifest the future this is the present moment

00:17:09.500 the action that is being placed and i think in the ultimate part of this is the realization of the

00:17:15.100 gods and their slaying of emir and the subsequent actions that are caused to create so much but also

00:17:26.940 to then in turn create the motion or the clock that is moving that ultimately is winding to

00:17:35.660 uh a turning time uh like and that um the culmination of this

00:17:41.900 starts with this rune. It's the axis point. It's the tipping point. And you can kind of see it in

00:17:49.020 the significance of the shape. There's some other very key points to this rune. A lot of people

00:17:55.880 will immediately talk about the need fire. And a lot of people don't understand what that is.

00:18:00.920 The need fire is a sacred fire. And it comes from actually manuscripts in which Christians

00:18:08.260 were saying that christians weren't allowed to start fires by friction they were supposed to

00:18:13.380 start them with uh flint and steel because the you know evil pagans of the past started fires

00:18:21.140 by friction and sacred fires in particular um and so this symbol has come along with not only

00:18:30.900 the culmination of deed the culmination of action but the friction and the resistance that is that

00:18:37.700 creates light, creates heat, and creates sacredness. And I think this is really important

00:18:43.480 to remember that even though the Nornir come to the gods to start the process and to ultimately 0.82

00:18:50.920 tell the gods of the inevitability of things, they also take residence in heaven. And that's where 0.96

00:18:59.300 they sit. I mean, it's clear with Yggdrasil as being in heaven and the first well-being in heaven

00:19:06.940 that there reside earth's well earth is there earth is there they preside and there that's

00:19:13.460 where the gods look over and meet out the doom of men um is looking into that well and so their

00:19:21.640 residence in heaven is also culminated in this it's the uh it's it's a combination of dire and

00:19:29.600 hope or resolution despite, you know, impending doom. And we talked about motion. In a lot of

00:19:39.780 the other runes, we were talking about all the different types of motion that are involved in

00:19:43.300 them. This one, again, is very much like Gabo in the sense that it's now, it's a rune that's brought

00:19:50.500 in and centralized towards the self again. So this is a constraining rune, but instead of it

00:19:57.900 being an equilibrium, it's a rune of almost internalized pressure or internalized binding

00:20:05.760 or friction, a path or a barrier that must be overcome. Also, linguistically, this rune is the

00:20:19.640 sound N, Nothis. It's the N rune, if you're speaking from a phonetic standpoint.

00:20:27.900 all right so the camera keeps freezing but your audio has been good okay um

00:20:39.280 got thoughts on it but i think before i get to that i'll go ahead with our room poems

00:20:47.620 nick if you'd put the room poems on the screen please

00:20:53.060 all right so

00:20:57.460 and is this one the icelandic yes all right constraint grief of the bond made

00:21:11.860 and state of oppression and toilsome work

00:21:15.620 um can we put up the norwegian next

00:21:23.060 All right. Constraint gives scant choice. A naked man is chilled by the frost. And the Anglo-Saxon. 0.99

00:21:39.640 Trouble is oppressive to the heart, yet often it proves a source of help and salvation

00:21:44.980 to the children of men, to everyone who heeds it betimes.

00:21:53.060 i mean we see some we certainly see some themes there and i'd also while we are on it um this

00:22:00.340 rune is represented in the uh uh the armin and runes i think it's worth worth looking into its

00:22:11.620 its meaning there uh now or not in the armin and runic system

00:22:15.940 an eighth i know useful to all needful for men to know if warfare erupts

00:22:28.100 twixt warriors sons i quickly quench their rage

00:22:35.380 and i think this transitions well honestly in the way we read the room so they start out talking

00:22:43.380 about constraint and how woeful that is and what a a problem that is and it talks about the dire

00:22:54.500 state of need the frost that comes to a a man who's naked and i think that

00:23:03.780 those of us that have been in or have lived in northern climates in the winter realize how

00:23:09.380 how very real that is um the symbolizing of the oppressive cold of

00:23:18.500 being in need it just linguistically and everything else it reminds me of um to build a

00:23:25.140 fire by jack london and a number of those stories where life or death when he's out in the yukon

00:23:32.020 trying to uh trying to find gold is like if you can build the literal need fire or not

00:23:38.900 is the difference between freezing to death um but what i like in is the optimism in the anglo-saxon

00:23:50.820 room poem and then followed up by it being a spell to bring peace amongst warrior sons um if you

00:23:59.780 that's the thing with these runes runes aren't good or bad i mean they are like wuno joy is kind

00:24:11.700 of always a good thing i don't really know how to make something bad out of it i would say some

00:24:17.460 runes are good no runes are bad um there are runes that have good and bad things about them

00:24:26.740 and there's some that are just good but honestly the runes i think are very optimistic way of

00:24:32.180 of seeing our world the idea in odin's rune song is that by

00:24:39.220 by shared toil and shared need it brings warrior sons together it doesn't just talk about random

00:24:47.620 people it talks about people who are by their very heritage warlike um you know and not in a bad way

00:24:55.060 that was very much prized amongst our ancestors to be warlike of character

00:25:00.420 but the trouble and we see this all the time amongst our folk

00:25:06.020 if we don't have an external threat to bond over we start nitpicking and bouncing off of

00:25:12.260 one another and finding stuff to fight about the best thing that are the most effective thing i

00:25:18.820 have seen that brings people together certainly in my time in the afa is when we have an external

00:25:25.540 source to focus that on when there's a challenge in front of us when there is you know enemy at

00:25:31.300 the gates then we can all bond through facing that common foe and i think that's one of the deep

00:25:37.940 meanings of the mystery of now these um this one there's a lot with this one and again i i'm

00:25:48.420 anticipate we'll get some if you get it in a room we'll get some questions if you get this in

00:25:52.980 a room pull or something i'd like to ask those or to answer those as they get asked because

00:26:00.340 it's really nuanced and it kind of depends on a lot of circumstance i'd say but this is you know

00:26:07.620 i mentioned earlier that most of the runes i don't really recognize a merc side to whereas this one

00:26:15.140 Haagalaz, Perthro, and Issa aren't negative or aren't Merc in and of themselves, but they have

00:26:32.440 they have inherent cautions with them, I'd say. And Thuris has. And I think those ones have

00:26:39.740 inherent cautions with them that's what i've got on now these off the top we've got a couple of

00:26:47.020 questions stacked up and uh you guys were amazing a couple weeks ago with us you guys kept us going

00:26:54.140 for forever on the three hours in on the first rune um we appreciate that the show is absolutely

00:27:01.580 driven by the listeners questions they help tremendously i was reminded on the side by ali

00:27:07.900 Clausen, one of our amazing folk builders who got oathed in recently and who is running our AFA

00:27:13.820 store. As of today, flags are in. So if you've been wanting a flag, a Hoff flag, an AFA flag,

00:27:21.580 a Sigurheim flag, which is the flag behind Witten's Fawn right now, that gives him the

00:27:26.700 the oaken halo of victory. If you want, if you want any flags, Nick's got the link up there.

00:27:33.420 um but yeah so without further ado our first question this is a follow-up from last week

00:27:41.020 he asked it and i don't think he was around who we gave the answer i think i asked this last week

00:27:47.840 but i'll ask again because i think i missed the answer how relevant is runic yoga depends who you

00:27:54.120 ask. So internalizing the rooms and training your mind and your soul to interpret the world

00:28:14.720 through a runic lens is very relevant and very necessary to master the rooms.

00:28:24.120 If runic yoga helps you do that, then it's fantastic and it's relevant and it's amazing.

00:28:31.980 If it just feels and looks silly to you and doesn't help you do that, then it's not essential and I wouldn't worry about discarding it.

00:28:44.260 There's runic, there's like full body runic yoga, but I've also seen.

00:28:49.400 um what's the hand version called i can't remember off the top of my head the

00:28:56.680 yeah that's actually the island and signs well yeah and i think the arman and they had a uh

00:29:03.480 you know a heavy um emphasis on hand signals if you will of the runes yeah and again there's so

00:29:11.800 many different ways that we learn things some people learn really well from reading about

00:29:19.080 something. Some people have to memorize something and use like flashcards. Other people, they have

00:29:25.500 to do an action a certain number of times before they internalize it. There's different ways that

00:29:30.880 we learn. And if you're a person who learns through, you know, physical stuff, like making

00:29:38.120 your body into the shape of these runes, then I think there's, there could be very much something

00:29:42.520 to this for you. The other thing and not saying there's nothing to it, but I have not felt it

00:29:52.580 myself. Other people say that it works really well from them. A big idea of runic, runic yoga

00:30:00.620 is the flow of energy through the body. And a number of the poses are meant to draw energy up

00:30:08.080 or redistribute the energy through different parts of the body or to discharge energy in a

00:30:13.900 particular pathway. I've tried a lot of that and I have not, I have not felt that in my own

00:30:22.900 experience. I have not gotten anything out of that, but I do know some people that that's

00:30:28.020 really special to them and it helps them. So if it is a tool that helps you, fantastic,

00:30:34.800 but it's not essential. I don't think it is a fundamental to runic practice, but it is something

00:30:40.080 that is a tool some people use. Do you have any thoughts or anything to add on that's fun?

00:30:46.320 Yeah, I think the first thing to think of is, I remember a long time ago, people used to talk

00:30:50.500 about like making rune cakes, carving runes on cakes and consuming them. There's nothing stating

00:30:56.940 anywhere that this is some sort of substantiated by lore, but it doesn't seem to be relatively

00:31:04.780 outlandish in the idea of, of, uh, you know, the consumption of the rune in order to help

00:31:10.220 understand the rune, perhaps as part of a daily practice or a meditation, or I mean,

00:31:14.880 Galdr, Galdr and Mont and, and mantras. Um, I, I would say that I have heard some,

00:31:21.600 and I'm just going off kind of taking that and taking a step further. And I know there's like

00:31:27.180 a martial art and that has a whole, uh, proclamation towards, uh, some historical

00:31:33.180 that it's been around since the 14th century, that it was, you know, there's a martial art

00:31:38.560 called Stavr. I don't know a lot about that. And I don't know a hundred percent about the

00:31:44.820 claims of that. A lot of it seems very, very convenient, but at the same time, it helps you

00:31:49.820 incorporate its meaning message and power. You know, who am I to kind of look down at it? But

00:31:56.680 um i have heard one speculation about the idea of galder and the usage of the sounds of the runes

00:32:06.400 in runic poetry and runic spell so if there's uh an incantation or a form of um perhaps like

00:32:15.280 imbuing the area with with this runic power it's through sound and then you take the alliterative

00:32:22.000 sound of said rune and you formulate a poem focusing on that sound and that it was a bardic

00:32:30.800 posturing or a skaldic posturing in which perhaps if there was an emphasis on things like uh if

00:32:39.920 thurizaz was to be utilized during a poetic alliterative sense then perhaps the physical

00:32:46.480 pushing forward of that uh like kind of making a symbolic gesture if you will uh somehow kind of

00:32:56.440 culminated with speaking the rune in the alliterative form and creating complex poetic

00:33:02.880 galder instead of like perhaps proto sounds um so i've heard of that i've heard of or the idea

00:33:09.900 that the that it it originated from skalds when they were speaking of poems and they were secretly

00:33:15.940 weaving runes into the hall to their audience and they were also gesturing so like one yo would be

00:33:22.180 you know a a gesture as simple as touching the forehead or um you know again posturing your arms

00:33:29.300 high and low like in nathis to as you're speaking oratorially in the hall i thought that was very

00:33:35.220 interesting and very cool i would love to see more development on that idea i don't know how much

00:33:41.540 it's true but again authenticity is not determined by time which is something you've

00:33:47.620 said numerous times and that is very very wise so i mean in this in this regards i would hold

00:33:52.980 true to that absolutely the other thing is i personally have done runic yoga but i didn't

00:33:59.220 find a lot of the uh any sort of physical benefits but one thing i did find was um

00:34:04.740 utilizing it in movement, not necessarily static positions, but like as if using in FEHU,

00:34:13.240 raising your arms up in gestures for the purpose of lymphatic drainage. I know that sounds kind

00:34:23.380 of odd, but here in Virginia Beach, there's a very, very prominent school of thought involving

00:34:35.100 massage and lymphatic drainage and the usage of movement in order to expel toxins from the body.

00:34:41.840 So I kind of constructed a little bit of that and have done that as a morning routine,

00:34:48.580 but not necessarily as a way to kind of project or change anything it was more internalizing

00:34:57.140 outside of that that stavit is very uh interesting but i don't know a lot about it

00:35:02.260 i remember it being very big in the 90s a lot of people were talking about it

00:35:07.380 i think that it needs to be an asterisk by that last statement of very big

00:35:11.620 um within our very very tiny subset of people a hundred percent of four people

00:35:21.780 were particularly interested in it um it's worth saying yes so all of this and chuckles aside

00:35:29.460 i i do really mean that um authentic doesn't mean old um

00:35:40.820 And I think that the important thing with that is experiment with stuff.

00:35:46.760 Do things, you know, don't don't be flippant or silly, but try new things within boundaries.

00:35:55.320 Just be honest, though. 0.91

00:35:56.760 I think it's silly.

00:35:58.560 There's no such thing as any kind of stabber martial arts back in the Viking age. 0.54

00:36:03.360 Right.

00:36:04.100 Flag on play.

00:36:05.200 somebody just made that up and in order to get people to like it and give it a try and and be

00:36:12.040 open-minded about it they made up some backstory on it it's unfortunate because i'd much rather

00:36:17.900 take those things honestly it's like um it's like a bunch of the sigils that we're all very familiar

00:36:26.320 with that we associate with the viking age are late medieval icelandic witchery stuff yeah

00:36:37.200 that's fine they're awesome and i think that they're powerful and i think that they come from

00:36:41.360 our folk soul they don't have to be viking stuff but be honest and don't try to pretend

00:36:47.520 that there's something they're not um something else um anybody who listens to our founder uh

00:36:55.360 I was here to go with the Stephen McNallan about things.

00:36:58.800 He's got a whole lot of different ritual practices that he does in the morning.

00:37:04.360 He's got a whole routine that he does that he's been working on through his adult life that helped him quite a bit.

00:37:11.120 He doesn't pretend for a second that it's what ancient Viking guy used to do.

00:37:15.460 It's what modern modern ranger guy does.

00:37:21.160 But he does it and it works for him.

00:37:23.600 And I think that's just as valid as anything else. 0.93

00:37:27.020 If the founder of modern Ausitru decides to initiate a spiritual practice that's just as authentic and legitimate as an unknown gothy in the Viking age coming up with something that comes down to us in writing, everything has to start someplace. 0.71

00:37:46.400 And if people don't buy into your practice now because, you know, it's not ancient, maybe in a thousand years it will be. 0.81

00:37:54.280 I think that's one thing, just interestingly enough, watching people's conversations, especially on social media, the accusations of LARPing, if you will.

00:38:07.400 I think it's a double-edged sword.

00:38:09.720 You want to reattain some authenticity through ancient practice, but in being honest with yourself, you can't entirely.

00:38:21.160 There's also cross-examination with other Aryan branches of paganism to kind of compare and incorporate.

00:38:29.420 But there's also new stuff you have to do or you should do.

00:38:33.380 And ultimately, you know, the more you try to authenticate into ancient practice as being only this way or that way and dressing that way or doing things in such an extremely set sense, then the accusation of LARPing kind of sticks home a little bit more.

00:38:52.800 You know, and I think that you find also true in a community is constantly battling with those forces of authenticity with ancient power and conforming or not conforming to modern practices, you know, dress it wearing a tie and and and nice clothes and but it's pick and choose, you know, it's like, you know, it's okay to have a modern haircut, but it's not okay to wear a suit and tie.

00:39:22.800 you know or or but if we wear tunics then the christians will call us larpers

00:39:26.820 and you end up in this silly game of walking on eggshells about it and if you wear a tunic

00:39:33.720 i will also call you a larper yeah and and again i mean there's that's where the meme of like the

00:39:42.560 viking and the crusader uniting is from the modern practice of wearing a tunic right and that's fair

00:39:49.400 enough to say too that some christians do also larp often with their crusader stuff or do they

00:39:54.580 i mean i i don't know i i don't think larping applies to us the way they use it as an insult

00:40:00.160 and in in verse we can't necessarily one of the biggest things that hurts

00:40:06.000 also true um but really everything in western society today is this negative

00:40:18.140 snarky sarcastic everything that's not your cup of tea or something that somebody thought of

00:40:27.280 before you did we need to somehow denigrate and make fun of and uh it'd be a much better world

00:40:33.880 if we could get away from that yeah i think cynicism is is a poison well and it's and i

00:40:40.720 don't think people really give a lot of thought to where that comes from and it comes from the

00:40:46.340 soul sickness that we talk about on this program so often, if you feel that there's, you can't

00:40:53.580 possibly win and that the deck is always stacked against you, then people throw up their hands and

00:40:59.620 why even try? And we are pretty deep into generations of people now that have unfortunately

00:41:06.000 succumbed to that. And it's one of the themes of this program is for us to try to break out of that

00:41:14.220 mindset and focus on all the amazing things we can do and, uh, figuring out what runic stuff

00:41:21.560 works for you. Great. Don't pretend you're a Viking, but if you want to do styler because

00:41:27.620 you think it's going to help you internalize the rooms or because you think it's cool or

00:41:33.500 whatever reason, go out there and knock yourself out. Um, if somebody else is doing something

00:41:40.200 better than you then fine take their barbs but it's really hard to take a lot of a lot of crap 0.98

00:41:45.960 off a guy sitting in in the couch on mom's basement eating pizza rolls complaining about 0.93

00:41:50.520 what everybody else is doing um you're always going to have critics it's just a thing right

00:41:58.120 so our next question um by the same gentleman i assume it's a gentleman uh alcohol seems pretty

00:42:03.880 prevalent in aussitrew what if you don't drink though a couple of things first and i'm sure

00:42:10.440 he'll elaborate on this 50 of your broadcasters do not drink so if i'm drinking uh i'm drinking

00:42:18.520 for two i'm having one for swan um cheers so it's interesting that you say that because i think a

00:42:28.040 lot of us who've been involved in austria for a really long time see that there's much

00:42:33.800 less drinking in house of truth than there once was um yeah there was a time and you know steve

00:42:41.680 and sheila will attest to this you know back in the 80s heavy drinking was the norm um we've really

00:42:48.140 cut down on that uh not a lot of drinking at events outside of ritual context if they're you

00:42:55.440 know if they're an overnight event then people sit around the campfire and have a few beers or

00:42:59.140 something. I mean, you see me drinking on the show plenty, I

00:43:04.300 clearly don't, you know, I'm not opposed to that. Drinking

00:43:09.860 culture within Ausitru, I'd say is gone. It's gotten put in a

00:43:15.340 much more reasonable place. One of the things that in this

00:43:21.580 varies far from your question, but it's to add some

00:43:23.860 perspective, and I think it's an interesting topic to bring up.

00:43:29.140 so when also true got reforged and restarted in the 70s and the 80s it was a lot of a lot of

00:43:43.240 single guys or guys that would go do this and leave their wife and kids at home and so there

00:43:50.820 was a much heavier heavier drinking culture then as families have gotten around and not as a like

00:43:57.700 prudish like oh we shouldn't drink around the kids but just as a practical thing you know

00:44:02.280 somebody's got to drive the kids home somebody's got to turn in early because the kids have to go

00:44:06.700 to sleep somebody's got to be watching the kids there's just practically it's kind of

00:44:12.320 it's waned in how often people are drinking at a lot of these events and um you know there were

00:44:21.280 times early and it's not fair early it's been quite a while but when i first started going to

00:44:29.520 national events you know 13 years ago there were times where somebody may have a little bit too

00:44:38.400 much and it become a problem really hasn't been at events that i've been to in a very very long time

00:44:45.600 and so that's been nice a couple things to be said about it that are

00:44:52.160 that are important first to your question what if you don't you don't have to drink to

00:44:56.960 practice house the tree you don't have to drink at all um it's not even going to seem odd except for

00:45:06.000 during parts of bloat and sumble when everyone's drinking and even then something that i've

00:45:11.920 sometimes i forget and i try to be aware of it because i do drink sometimes it's not at

00:45:16.160 the front of my mind that others don't but very often when i do ritual um usually for whatever

00:45:24.000 reason usually not sambal but at bloat i'll have i'll very often have a second horn full of

00:45:29.600 sparkling cider for people who don't drink because we have kids that participate and i

00:45:33.280 want them to fully participate but we also have adults that for one reason or another don't say

00:45:40.320 we have pregnant ladies and they feel uncomfortable doing that that's perfectly fine we've got other

00:45:46.160 people that have battled alcoholism and don't drink anymore to keep on with their sobriety

00:45:52.320 also a perfectly noble reason not to want to want to do that and we've got other people that

00:45:59.200 for a variety of other reasons decide that they're not drinking that day or for whatever

00:46:04.640 reason they're not going to do it and that's fine that's not odd you wouldn't even stand out

00:46:09.680 so don't please don't worry about that that's not something you should ever worry about

00:46:15.120 now ritually drinking is historically important in our religious practice

00:46:21.440 you may notice that you know a full one of our major two rituals is about ritualized drinking

00:46:29.760 and if you read tacitus talks about how our ancestors drunk quite a bit

00:46:33.520 and probably what we would consider over much. Now, keep in mind, when Tacitus is writing about

00:46:44.040 this, he's writing about war bands. And when you get, you know, the young warriors in a group are

00:46:51.040 going to sit around and they're going to drink hard. That's just kind of a maxim amongst our

00:46:55.240 people since the dawn of time within society though there's the idea that when you

00:47:04.920 finding that equilibrium to where you're a little bit buzzed but you're not drunken out of control

00:47:11.480 of your faculties makes you open up more makes you more socially willing to engage with a group

00:47:19.400 and to share about yourself that's what we do ensemble a lot is tell

00:47:24.520 you know personal stories about our families or our friends or loved ones and there's something

00:47:30.680 valuable to lubricating that process a little bit as a matter of fact um i learned relatively

00:47:40.600 late in life i don't know why it escaped me but the latin the latin proverb in vino veritas

00:47:47.240 us from wine truth originated as a reference to to our fault to the Germans because this was a part

00:47:57.300 of their sample ritual is they would drink and they would fully open themselves up and not be

00:48:03.200 scared of looking bad or scared of how the other guy you know the rival across the fire is going

00:48:08.020 to view what they say they'd speak from their heart and then when everybody was clear-headed

00:48:13.220 in the morning they'd make a final decision on how to act if it was a council war or something

00:48:17.700 but the idea of a little bit of drink getting you in a place where you're more comfortable

00:48:23.060 opening up and you're a little bit more spiritual place that is that is a truth that i think

00:48:28.180 is relevant to our ritual and how we do some things but yeah there's please don't let the

00:48:37.740 thought that you would be the odd man out if you're not drinking hold you back that's not

00:48:44.220 at all the case at any you know any afa event you go to that's that wouldn't even seem odd we've got

00:48:51.420 quite a i think i'd say probably a fifth of the adults at any event won't drink a drop for

00:49:00.620 various reasons i would say maybe half to through to a half to three quarters might have a beer or

00:49:10.940 wine or something at dinner but i mean there's a significant number of people that don't drink and

00:49:16.060 i don't think that's odd or would make you stand out at all it's fun what are your thoughts on it

00:49:20.940 well one i i don't drink recreationally um i know uh it might seem i sometimes i look at these cans

00:49:28.940 they kind of look like something that would be out but these are this is just water uh with

00:49:33.740 carbonation in it um and uh you know an energy drink just to make sure that we're gonna if we're

00:49:40.300 gonna do another six hour i'm gonna be here for it but um yeah i don't i don't drink recreationally

00:49:46.300 at all i only drink and bloat and i only drink and stumble but you don't have to in either um

00:49:53.500 I, again, I've seen folks hold the horn because the, the, the ritual mechanic that I think a lot

00:50:00.760 of people don't realize is it's not always about the consumption, like perhaps in the very paganistic

00:50:08.760 Christianity of drinking, you know, the blood the our mechanic is understanding that the horn

00:50:17.480 is a receptacle of power, uh, emotion, mental power, might, whatever it might be, the air of

00:50:26.100 the room, the, the speaking from the heart and truth, and that you place in that liquid, your

00:50:32.120 intent in, it doesn't have to actually cross your lips. It can be put in by your hand. I've seen

00:50:37.960 people put their, their, uh, forehead to the horn. And I mean, it's worth noting, like during COVID

00:50:43.880 and all of that. There was people that were drinking. There were people that were touching

00:50:48.200 the horn. I don't think that it was truly an interesting time in there because I wondered

00:50:57.920 about how the mechanics of understanding, but it didn't seem to change at all. Nobody changed

00:51:02.820 anything at all. People that drink, they drank from the horn. People who touched the horn to

00:51:08.660 the forehead touched the horn to the forehead. Some people kissed the horn. There's lots of

00:51:13.020 different ways sometimes people place their hand on their heart and place their hand on the horn

00:51:16.960 to transfer because the horn is carried as a vessel in order as a gift to the gods and so it's

00:51:25.340 the the mead itself is being given to the gods but it's more than just the mead it's the people

00:51:30.840 present it's the feeling and the emotion and the the power that they place into the horn and so

00:51:36.880 with bloat it doesn't necessarily even require you to drink it's you're giving a drink to the

00:51:42.620 gods. And that drink is more than just, you know, alcohol. I want to, I don't know, contextualize

00:51:51.880 that a little bit. And if we think about Sumble, yes, Sumble is about drinking alcohol. That's a

00:51:59.960 big part of it. Because like I said earlier, it's about opening up and sharing. You certainly don't

00:52:05.280 have to do that. You know, we've got some people that are wide open socially, and they are happy

00:52:10.920 to share regardless. And that's great. We have some people, it's a struggle and can overcome it.

00:52:15.920 It is a tool in that the sharing of the drink together is something that brings our people

00:52:22.220 closer. But as I've said on the show many times, perfect need not be the enemy of good.

00:52:30.040 The most perfect ideal situation is you drink during ritual when you're supposed to drink,

00:52:36.000 because that's the most perfect way to do it when you throw in if you're an alcoholic who's struggling

00:52:43.040 no breaking your sobriety and spiraling yourself in a downslide of of of failures that you've tried

00:52:51.200 very hard to overcome that's not positive the juice isn't worth the squeeze um so these are

00:52:59.520 these are all things to to think about now drinking in uh in bloat it's kind of in a way

00:53:08.080 like the runic yoga that we spoke about it helps a lot of people

00:53:17.360 internalize and actualize the act of receiving so

00:53:22.800 So the gods clearly don't drink the mead that we pour out to them or pour into the fire.

00:53:30.600 Like they don't creep up after the ritual and drink the mead.

00:53:34.400 That's it's it's obviously symbolic in that way.

00:53:38.160 They do, in fact, receive our well wishes and receive our gifts.

00:53:44.080 It's a symbol and a tangible way for us to see the transferring of something physically from one thing to another in a liquid way.

00:53:52.360 but that's a recreation and a modern innovation our ancestors they would bloat with you know

00:53:58.600 with a slain animal and with blood and they weren't drinking the blood they were being splattered

00:54:02.920 with it oftentimes in bloat when we have a large number of people we don't drink because it just

00:54:09.800 takes too much time and it's not logistically feasible so yeah exactly so we use an evergreen

00:54:16.840 sprig or another tool a hlout time and we'll um dip that in the meat and splash people with it

00:54:24.840 and we do that all the time it's just fine and obviously it works well

00:54:28.920 but it engages the senses and it's one of the things when you taste the alcohol

00:54:35.960 it triggers something in your head where you feel like you're drinking it you feel like you're

00:54:40.600 you're consuming that blessing that's being offered to you in the same way when you get

00:54:45.880 splash with it one thing that i really like that i think is really distinctive about a good mead

00:54:51.400 is it's got a really strong um honey bouquet to it so you smell it when they come around and they

00:54:57.800 splash the guy next to you and then you you breathe in you get that smell of honey and it's

00:55:03.800 it's really kind of special um steve uh steve mcnallan he you know he's a drinker he's got

00:55:10.280 no issue with drinking i've drank with him many times but he doesn't drink mead outside of ritual

00:55:17.320 because he wants to keep that taste that smell that experience to be special and it's it's special

00:55:25.160 during bloat ensemble so there's a lot of different attitudes on that but yeah don't

00:55:30.360 let that hold you back i definitely think that the ausentia folk assembly um the overall

00:55:37.480 all, you know, national events, bloats, symbols. It is very, very tamed, mild consumption is always

00:55:47.920 seen as more as erring on the better side of responsibility. There's not a sense of, you know,

00:55:55.340 especially during bloat or during symbol, you know, being debaucherous. There's times to joke

00:56:01.260 and have a good time, but that's not one of them. Perhaps, like you said, afterwards when people are

00:56:05.640 around the fire, but even then it's, it's wildly, I think far more tame than like, say, you know,

00:56:12.960 going to some, uh, you know, bonfire party or something. That's not, it, it doesn't quite have

00:56:18.660 that same zeal. Um, and I think, you know, when, like you had said, considering if people are not

00:56:25.560 staying the night, then obviously imbibing seems to be greatly reduced because nobody wants to,

00:56:31.020 you know, drink and drive or any of that stuff. So it's like, I think ultimately the air of

00:56:37.220 responsibility floats heavily on the person, but also the community and erring on the side of being

00:56:43.180 wiser is always seen as more positive. Even if you're abstaining because you have alcohol issues,

00:56:49.400 that's again, wise and shows a sense of responsibility, which no one would look down

00:56:56.160 at you on for that no not at all and our next one in a completely different but also uh

00:57:08.400 this question is one that i think a lot of people have

00:57:12.240 and it's one that the answer is not as clean as people would like it to be

00:57:17.680 so the question is do you believe there are one to one equivalents between pantheons

00:57:23.360 For example, Tyr equals Zeus, Votan equals Hermes, Thor equals Perun, etc.

00:57:32.240 Or are they all separate deities?

00:57:34.560 If separate, how do we wrap our minds around the existence of multiple Sky Fathers, Thunder Gods, and Earth Mothers?

00:57:41.800 So, are there some one-to-ones? Certainly. Are there a lot of ones that translate over way less

00:58:04.740 clean? Absolutely. And I think that's much more the case.

00:58:13.620 I think in the most broad terms, and this is one of the reasons that the AFA's membership

00:58:21.560 requirements are white people, because I think that different races, as we've always understood,

00:58:29.180 stood you know the big racial grouping races have different deities responsible for their creation

00:58:36.300 their existence and their soul matrix um and i don't claim to you know be an expert on or be

00:58:45.340 in a position of authority to dictate how that works if you're black if you're asian if you're

00:58:51.260 polynesian uh that's that's up to them and their you know their their elders and their spiritual

00:58:59.340 authorities for us um the arian religiosity

00:59:12.860 trying to go the right way to put this we are absolutely hard polytheists but each

00:59:19.980 Each tribe of our people developed a very specific relationship with our gods in a very specific way over the millennium, over the millennium.

00:59:34.120 And that looks different if you are Hellenic or if you are Latin or if you are Slavic or Celtic or Germanic. It looks different in those.

00:59:49.980 i don't believe that the gods are different but the understanding of the gods is certainly

00:59:57.100 different and shaped based on the relationship that those that branch of our folk built with

01:00:04.220 our gods and our gods built with them versus any other you know tribe of our folk and you see

01:00:13.660 you see absolutely one-for-one relationship between continental germanics saxons that

01:00:23.660 conquered england and um scandinavians you see quite a bit of one-for-one in slavic faiths and

01:00:34.160 also true or also true and celtic figures you see less of it in more mediterranean

01:00:43.920 incarnations of our faith and so

01:00:50.320 to pretend that swan and i have the definitive answer on exactly the chart of which peace goes

01:00:56.800 with which god that would be awesome maybe by the time you know we pass beyond the veil we'll

01:01:03.920 have all of that figured out but i think it would be arrogant for us to say that we do at this point

01:01:14.320 we use the scandinavian the norse version of the naming and the features and the identity of our

01:01:23.920 gods we build upon that with the relationship that we are currently building with our gods

01:01:30.560 and the way that they are currently engaging with us um and that's the way that we're growing

01:01:38.880 that's what came to us that's that's the relationship that was established and built upon

01:01:48.560 when our founder steve mcdallen interacted with the all father

01:01:52.400 Odin the first time in 1968. And that's, that's who's come out on top. And that's what we're

01:02:02.360 running with. In that way, we honor the entirety of Aryan faith. We honor it through the Nordic

01:02:11.040 lens for consistency and for, so we don't get bogged down in endless debates that go nowhere

01:02:22.060 over particulars that aren't relevant we have a way that works very well and we're doing that

01:02:26.700 now to your question of how do we reconcile

01:02:29.740 multiple sky fathers multiple thunder gods multiple earth mothers

01:02:38.860 i

01:02:43.020 it's not perfectly clean like that and what i think a fallacy in that is

01:02:51.260 I don't fault the person asking question at all. It's not what I intend to do with this. Please don't take offense. If we, through our study of scholastics and anthropology and sociology, determine that there must be a sky father, there must be a storm god, there must be an earth mother, and then we try to force our gods into those categories.

01:03:16.540 that's difficult and unwieldy because that's not how it works

01:03:22.660 those terms are terms that we use to try to better understand our gods that are

01:03:32.980 that exist above and outside of those terms it's not the job of the gods to conform to the terms

01:03:41.400 that we made up that we needed gods to fit these categories and they applied for the position that

01:03:46.520 not how it works our attempt to understand uh mother frig isn't because she applied to be earth

01:03:57.800 mother it's because we associate so much of her qualities and things about her to have

01:04:06.120 have an earthly nature to them we didn't just you know odin didn't say hey i want to be called sky

01:04:13.880 father today no we in interpreting and understanding of an understanding tier

01:04:22.040 decided each of them has these characteristics and not going to lie to linguistically tear

01:04:29.640 certainly linguistically goes to what other branches have chosen to name a father in the sky

01:04:35.720 or a father of the sky um but the flow of that's really important and i've

01:04:43.480 i can't overstate it i can't say it enough the gods are here humans are here and i realize you

01:04:52.600 can't see my hands now they're off camera all right and so for us to try to get here and try

01:04:57.320 to understand we come up with ideas and theories that help us understand the gods

01:05:05.160 but the gods are right they exist no matter what our confusion or understanding is

01:05:10.920 those terms like earth mother sky father storm god those are all our attempts to

01:05:18.280 learn from ideally and to build a relationship with the gods not the other way around it's really

01:05:24.440 important our gods don't owe you a clean explanation on who the striker who the sky

01:05:30.120 father who the earth mother and who the death god is that does flesh out in the arian pantheons

01:05:38.360 are we've certainly recognized that so we've created these categories and these ways of

01:05:42.840 understanding it but the gods exist on their own terms we just seek to understand them better

01:05:49.720 and i hope that makes sense swan what what do you have to add to that

01:05:54.040 well one thing that i've definitely noticed as of late is the the desperate attempt to uh

01:06:01.720 uh you know cornerstone sky father very little uh attempt to earth mother but there's just this

01:06:12.680 desperation to kind of like masculine feminine with more emphasis on you know who's masculine

01:06:18.080 who's sky daddy who's who is who is that uh and there's the desperation is it zeus is zeus

01:06:24.160 thor zeus ovin is is indra to you know to zeus and there's this desperation for finding a

01:06:31.340 singularity. I have taken a very different, so far as I can tell, just because I wanted to come

01:06:39.820 at it from a humble observer. So I just stated that what I'm seeing currently right now from

01:06:45.900 our culture, from our people, from our modern day, something that's going on. And I don't

01:06:51.100 necessarily agree with it. I don't think that it's good to, to polarize all of the gods at being,

01:06:56.040 believing in all of the gods, but slowly kind of shoving them down into a masculine and feminine. 1.00

01:07:02.040 That's almost a little bit too much like Wicca for me. And the idea that, you know, 0.96

01:07:07.540 everything can just be boiled down into these two kind of polarities. But I will, I'll say

01:07:15.740 being an observer, I have seen other things. For instance, it seems to be that we were,

01:07:24.140 we're neglecting to talk about how we our ancestors structured of faith uh or the way

01:07:32.620 that they were taught the way that they interacted with the gods the way that the hierarchy that they

01:07:38.380 they had in relationship with the gods is stratified um they're the commonalities between

01:07:47.420 the aryan branches is what i was really trying to pick up on and what i have found is uh in a general

01:07:54.220 sense that there is always uh kind of you know there is there is for us it's bore bore and best

01:08:01.580 law and they're kind of that you know the the origin of the masculine feminine uh bore of course

01:08:08.540 being the one that lifts up best love the one that besets but from them comes the stratification 0.57

01:08:15.340 comes the hierarchy and what i find is the one thing that's very glaring about cross arian um

01:08:24.060 branches is the tripartite that there's this stratification of uh some people want to say

01:08:31.740 like of the sky but i don't it doesn't always pertain to that so i call them the thrones and

01:08:38.300 there's a tripartite of thrones and when you start to look at that that's when you begin to

01:08:42.780 see some very interesting things whether it's amongst the hindus or the ancient uh you know

01:08:48.700 arian vedic traditions where um it was indra and agni and vishnu uh and that that has changed over

01:08:58.460 years because their relationship has changed and there's like a cultural reflection of their

01:09:03.820 interaction with with the gods we drink from a horn we gift to the gods through a horn other

01:09:09.260 Aryan branches might not interact with those, with the gods in that way. They might do it through 0.98

01:09:14.620 other things and, um, that's okay, but we see this tripartite. And, um, so looking and observing

01:09:22.180 even further, I, it seems to me that the tripartite is always divided into three distinct

01:09:28.380 things. And it's not like sky father striker, death, God, uh, giver of, of riches. What I,

01:09:37.060 what i found is in my observations that there is a dynamic throne of power in which the gods will

01:09:47.620 uh sit in a cultural kind of context that that that we build in interaction with them

01:09:55.380 uh in these thrones and these thrones always have a dynamic uh sense to them there's one

01:10:02.660 that is a catalystic scent one that breaks and um and you can you know see those correspondence or

01:10:09.700 there's one that is static and so i always call the tripartite of the arian folk as a pan-aryan

01:10:16.900 concept is that you see this dynamicism this catalystic and this static and sometimes the

01:10:24.340 gods that are sitting in those thrones don't line up with others because again each culture

01:10:30.340 pulls from the gods as they see spiritually needing uh you know where you have like uh again

01:10:38.280 indra agni vishnu or you have svarog uh velez and and perun um and you know svarog is kind of this

01:10:47.340 static uh throne and velez is in a dynamic throne or i mean in a very dynamic and then in you know

01:10:55.240 Perun is a catalystic. So that's just me observing and trying to be humble about the understanding.

01:11:03.940 I'm not trying to force the gods into positions as I am just trying to observe one, our past,

01:11:11.720 one, our, you know, this is a culmination of years and years and years of worship. And then on top of

01:11:17.380 that, it's fragmented because it's been observed by Christians who had antithetical views towards

01:11:22.760 a lot of these, you know, the Aryan religions that they were, you know, writing notes about.

01:11:30.240 But you see in the sense where like with the Hellenics, you know, the mystery of like why

01:11:38.800 Hercules takes the striker form, but is seen as the daemon or, you know, half god, half man.

01:11:46.080 the interesting thing about perhaps even the influence that the Phoenicians might have had

01:11:52.600 on the Greeks in relation to the lightning bolt of Zeus and the lightning bolt of Baal amongst

01:11:59.040 the Phoenicians. There's lots of room for discussions, but I always see this tripartite 0.88

01:12:04.700 and I see a mass fragmentation of the earth. And I think it's worth noting that

01:12:11.980 from an observational point, the powers of the universe are vast, and that our gods are kind of

01:12:24.440 like wardens or conduits of those powers, that there isn't one all-encompassing. There isn't

01:12:32.440 one, I notice this now in like modern Hinduism, where they're kind of boiling everything down

01:12:39.280 into Shiva or boiling everything down into Vishnu. Um, and they're, they're kind of going again into

01:12:44.480 this like monotheistic or dualistic kind of viewing and things. But, um, you know, when you,

01:12:52.440 you see the, the, the, the tripartite is always there so much so that Christianity adopted it

01:12:58.880 because it had been in Europe for so long that they ended up making their own tripartite because

01:13:04.420 again, metagenetics are real and European Christians are still going to find their

01:13:09.480 tripartite in their, their, they need the thrones. The thrones are there. Um, but you know, when you 0.92

01:13:18.420 look at the, the, the earth, you see the fragmentations, you see the negative earth,

01:13:23.580 the positive earth, sometimes vegetation is looked at separately from perhaps the crag,

01:13:29.800 just like the ocean. There's the ocean by the shore. And then there's the deep ocean.

01:13:34.420 Very similar to the Hellenic usage of Poseidon versus Oceanus.

01:13:40.380 And we have, of course, Nyodhr and Ayr.

01:13:46.160 So you can go and look at these and try to piece them all together.

01:13:50.820 But it's better to just humbly observe and see how the gods have interacted with each culture.

01:13:57.440 And in a way, like we build temples to the gods, we have built thrones to the gods.

01:14:01.780 And the gods fill those thrones for us in a benevolent way in order to help us spiritually expand.

01:14:09.760 And it's worth noting that even amongst Germanic people, I've seen people suggest that Woden amongst the Anglo-Saxons is a different god than Odin amongst the Norse.

01:14:19.760 And that's when you start getting into this like purity spiraling of absolute insanity and moving away from the Pan-Aryan truth of understanding that the gods are entities that we interact with, but we construct the temples and they fulfill a kind of an engagement with us, the gift cycle.

01:14:41.000 and in turn we culturally uh interact with them see them in certain ways perhaps we attach colors 0.57

01:14:48.060 to them in certain ways that is a perfect example of that um but that that can change too even

01:14:54.960 amongst the folk and it has happened before um a perfect example of this is like you had mentioned

01:15:02.400 tacitus you know makes a correlation between um oven or wolden us and uh mercury uh and that you

01:15:13.920 know and there's tear and uh aries and there is um uh thunor or thor and zeus he makes that

01:15:24.000 equivalency but when you talk about like the the the uh adam abraham when he goes to oksala

01:15:31.540 He sees a tripartite in which there is the thunderer, Thor, in the center, and then there is the god of fury, which is Odin, who's off to the side, and then the god of peace and plenty, Frey, is off.

01:15:48.440 And there they have a tripartite, and that may have been just at that time.

01:15:53.120 I think that an understanding of the way that we culturally interact with the gods is more importantly, what you're trying to observe. And it's different amongst whether you're talking about the Slavs, or if you're talking about, you know, Teratatus and Tyrannus and Asus amongst the Gauls, or even amongst the Truscans, and they had their tripartite, which had the thrones were, were filled by their

01:16:23.120 like sky. And then they had earth mother. And then the mother of the gods, like, uh, the motherly

01:16:29.240 goddess, like a, like a, the, the equivalency would be like a, a yours and a nervous army on

01:16:35.760 nervous and Frigga. They had a tripartite with two female goddesses and all the gods to them

01:16:41.960 in their interpretations of the, the divine could throw lightning that all of them could.

01:16:47.680 So I think it's, I encourage people to go and look at the tripartite, find the tripartite in other Aryan branches. It will help you understand certain things. But then ultimately it comes down to what is your culture? You speak English, you have, you know, Gaulish and Germanic blood in you.

01:17:09.320 And again, the prevalency of Germanicism is, you can't understate it. It's entirely the pinnacle and gravity of our culture. So we come from the gods in a Germanic sense, Nordic Germanic, Central Germanic, Anglo-Germanic, whatever that, you know, north, our central and northward anchoring.

01:17:39.320 all right so i'm not sure if swan is frozen for everyone else he certainly is for me

01:18:02.040 um checking with producer nick here on something real quick

01:18:09.480 all right cool so this song's fun we'll get to whatever he was following up with here in a

01:18:29.560 second until he gets back. Something else that occurred to me that I think is also part of the

01:18:34.860 question. And I know that people have asked me this before. If your understanding of the gods

01:18:45.600 is that they are expressed in nature, then man, if there's lightning, who's doing it? Is it Thor?

01:18:55.980 Is it Zeus? Is it African Thunder God? Is it those questions make sense? And I get it.

01:19:05.980 In any of our creation stories, in every every race of people has a different creation story.

01:19:14.300 There is a relationship between the people in their environment.

01:19:19.540 And I will say this. Our gods are not nature. Our gods interact with us very often through nature and through natural processes and forces.

01:19:35.480 That is a way for us to come to understand the power of our gods better.

01:19:40.960 But that that doesn't mean that.

01:19:44.000 storm equals thor or storm equals shango or story storm equals i don't know an asian storm deity

01:19:55.960 but it does mean that we understand asa thor often through the force of the storm

01:20:02.580 when it comes to the creation

01:20:06.080 our people weren't

01:20:10.300 in ethnic faiths the people are related to the land and it's not so much to claim that our gods

01:20:22.740 created all of the things for all of the people but our gods created us and they created our world

01:20:33.060 and our relationship to it.

01:20:36.800 So they wove together our understanding of nature.

01:20:40.700 They wove together our relationship to nature.

01:20:44.500 And they wove together our soul and how our soul matrix works.

01:20:52.720 And in that sense, they are our creator gods.

01:20:56.040 Different deities may have done the same thing or something different

01:21:00.520 for different branches of of peoples but i understand that at that point it becomes

01:21:08.200 very confusing and this goes back to what i said earlier we use nature as a way to understand our

01:21:14.600 gods our gods are not a function of us trying to personify nature onto them that's a fallacy from

01:21:25.640 our end in our imperfect attempts to understand our gods but i think that's the same case of

01:21:33.240 directionality going back and forth we don't observe nature therefore we have to associate

01:21:40.040 and assign a god to each piece of nature we see you know the gods exist and our best way of trying

01:21:47.080 to understand them is through often understanding natural forces and correlating that to one of the

01:21:53.480 gods for us to better understand them and i hope that makes sense to uh to the audience tonight

01:22:01.080 um next question is when do we hope to have electricity and water at sigerheim

01:22:11.800 tomorrow is when i hope to have electric electricity and water at sigerheim

01:22:17.800 that's probably not going to happen realistically i think we're going to

01:22:21.640 have water and electricity the first time a person goes out there sets down a foundation

01:22:27.720 and starts building out

01:22:32.840 that i am very hopeful that that happens within this next calendar year from now

01:22:41.000 i don't want to make promises until i have some further irons in the fire but we have

01:22:45.960 let's say three to four families that should be started should be broken ground on a permanent

01:22:56.180 habitation at sigurheim within the next year so that's when i truly think that water and

01:23:02.060 electricity will for sure get out there um the next question is in runic divination how do you

01:23:12.680 determine which runes are good and which runes are bad. Now, I've said this before, I don't think

01:23:22.140 there's any, this rune equals bad, this rune equals good. The determination would come in

01:23:30.020 what question you were asking when you were doing the divination. And the question that you go,

01:23:36.380 the very specifically how your mind is calibrated before you do a divination really matters so

01:23:45.500 what is your question what are your parameters you set before you've touched the runes

01:23:51.500 that would go a long way to determine what that meant and as i've mentioned before when i do any

01:23:59.340 kind of runic divination or any kind of a rune pull that way i typically do them in a sequence

01:24:06.380 um a beginning middle and end for lack of better term but if i do a sequence of three

01:24:15.580 depending on where a rune falls in that sequence

01:24:21.020 it informs a lot of you know is that related to how we got into the circumstance

01:24:27.260 is that related to the circumstances it is currently or is that room related to

01:24:31.900 the future direction that we're headed towards with that circumstance. And all of that makes

01:24:39.540 a huge difference. So determining the good or the bad of a room really all depends on

01:24:47.700 what position I draw it in and on what the parameters that I have in mind before I do the

01:24:54.440 draw are i don't necessarily think that's a really really nice or useful answer but it's the honest

01:25:02.360 answer so many of these things i need a really specific example to i don't know to add the

01:25:10.200 the details are really what what make the answer so there's a lot that goes into it and i could

01:25:15.320 answer a little bit better if there was a little bit more specifics to that

01:25:19.560 question we had at the tail end of last week that we got it was actually a monetized question and

01:25:27.920 I appreciate it thank you Lawrence who uh believe it was for five Canadian dollars but I got it

01:25:33.640 after I'd already shut down the show is when I saw that it was was asked hi Matt hi Daniel it's

01:25:40.540 been a while since I dropped in I find the esoteric and metaphysical fascinating I've had powerful

01:25:47.360 paranormal experiences in my life including a a healing a bizarre vision and an out-of-body

01:25:54.240 experience the supernatural is part of the natural as the saying goes absolutely it is lawrence i

01:26:01.120 would love to talk to you about each of those and and hear your story i think those that's very

01:26:08.000 interesting and that is really important for us all to keep in mind the supernatural is part of

01:26:13.840 our natural experience it's just often a part that we are closed off to or don't allow ourselves to

01:26:21.040 fully explore and i think the more we open ourselves to that the better off we are

01:26:27.440 uh when is the clothing coming back to the store maybe a hoodie maybe i think that t-shirts are

01:26:44.880 going to come first we're going into fall so i think some hoodies are definitely in order

01:26:49.200 something i want to work with ally on as a matter of fact this week so the first thing we were

01:26:55.160 trying to accomplish was getting our old stock replenished a big amount of that was our flags

01:27:02.120 we just got our flag order in so ally and i are going to talk here in the coming days about what

01:27:08.440 the first step is on getting some clothing things figured out so hopefully we'll have

01:27:13.160 news for you by the next uh vns if you tune in

01:27:16.200 and Allie says on the side that we should have clothing and possibly hoodies by winter nights

01:27:29.220 so that's the end of October

01:27:31.520 next question is how should i confront my flat earther christian family member

01:27:48.320 who thinks the world is only 6 000 years old

01:27:51.680 you shouldn't I think it's a conversation that's worth having if they want to

01:28:03.840 if they're willing to talk but I mean I don't think there's a

01:28:07.180 I don't think there's a use in confronting them per se because I think if that's the

01:28:15.840 tone that it's done in, they're not going to change their point of view, regardless of how

01:28:22.300 good your points are. They're going to be set and they're just going to fight to fight.

01:28:27.660 I'm, I've been really curious. I, up until

01:28:33.680 probably

01:28:38.540 five or six years ago, I didn't really understand that flat earthers were a thing.

01:28:49.160 Like I thought that was a joke. I didn't know that there were really people

01:28:53.040 that in our present day and age believe that the earth was flat.

01:28:57.240 and it was it was fun to argue with those people for a while it was really interesting because they

01:29:05.880 have a they have a theory for everything every time you try to poke a hole in any

01:29:12.360 flat earthers thing they have some very creative um explanation of why things be like they do

01:29:22.440 i haven't encountered many of those people that genuinely are open to changing their mind

01:29:33.540 they just want to argue with you about how flat earth is the way to go

01:29:37.360 and i wonder about it i think

01:29:41.960 i think a big part of flat earth

01:29:48.180 the whole phenomenon of flat earthers

01:29:53.500 comes from a place of

01:29:59.420 damage. I think that I've noticed this myself. Our circles that we run in and that often listen

01:30:12.340 to our program here that are in the AFA or whatever else, a lot of people come from a

01:30:20.980 background where they don't necessarily trust the news or trust the government or trust

01:30:26.840 a lot of people in general. I didn't start out that way. I started out, you know, a quote

01:30:35.100 unquote normie um you know i've i've been racially aware for a very long time

01:30:43.100 but politically and on a bunch of other things it's come to me very late in life relatively

01:30:54.220 that a lot of things that i used to not question have proven to be lies and

01:31:02.940 and malicious untruths and a number of different things. And I think that some people become so

01:31:12.400 mentally traumatized when they realize that so many things, the powers that be in their life

01:31:20.360 lied to them about, be it their parents, their church, the news, politicians, the military,

01:31:28.680 whatever it is that are people that they used to really trust, have lied to them on so many things

01:31:35.580 that they then find themselves in a place where if those people say something, then it must be

01:31:42.100 the exact opposite. Unfortunately, things don't work that way and it's not that clear,

01:31:48.220 but I think there are people that want to be flat earthers because it's trendy and it's

01:31:53.880 obnoxious and they're trolling you with it. And in that instance, I don't think it's worth having

01:31:58.440 the conversation. I think there's other people that are dealing with a lot of psychological

01:32:05.820 damage. I don't think they're willing to hear anything you have to say either.

01:32:11.660 But I don't think it's necessary. How does their understanding of the age of the earth

01:32:21.640 or the shape of the earth affect the day-to-day of what you need to talk to them about or how to

01:32:28.980 be successful in their life, how to have a meaningful relationship with their gods,

01:32:34.160 their families, and build a life for themselves. And I think that if you work on those things and

01:32:43.000 you don't argue about the obvious flat earth thing, reality has a way of revealing itself

01:32:53.300 to folks. And I think that when their life is healthier, when they're healthier, they

01:32:59.720 will be open to seeing the world as it is in a clearer and better way. Rachel asked,

01:33:10.540 does anyone drink water anymore some people do uh i i drank water earlier in the day

01:33:19.660 we saw swan witness fawn drink water a little bit ago maybe that's why he dropped off

01:33:26.860 so i don't know maybe there's consequence there the next question how does one go

01:33:32.940 about becoming a folk builder i don't believe there's one in utah you are correct we do not

01:33:39.020 currently have a folk builder in utah and we would love to have one if a person were interested in

01:33:45.980 being a folk builder first step would be to reach out to the folk builders in their area or to reach

01:33:53.340 out to the gothe or githia in their area this would be a really good time if nick has still got

01:33:59.740 those links up because each of our different hoff districts has a contact page where you can find

01:34:07.180 these people's contact information nick has them on the screen um odenshoff.org thorshoff.com

01:34:18.940 baldershoff.org and yordshoff.org

01:34:27.260 your question about utah utah is in the odenshoff district and what i would suggest your best bet is

01:34:34.380 if you if this is specific to utah is reaching out to githya sheila mcnalen

01:34:42.140 sheila at runestone.org and she'll talk to you about and this glows in general to anybody else

01:34:50.060 out there but the githya or gothi will talk to you about what's required of a folk builder what

01:34:56.140 that looks like what the expectations are and give you um a letter that we or an email that

01:35:05.660 we send to folks to see you know that lays this out a little bit more specifically so that people

01:35:11.340 know what they're getting into and if it's something you want to try then we typically

01:35:15.580 give people a shot and see where we go from there um any of us almost any of us that are in afa

01:35:21.500 leadership started out as folk builders i started out folk building in alaska way back when and

01:35:28.700 it's been a long road but it led me to where i'm at now

01:35:35.100 as far as what the job of folk builder entails

01:35:41.020 i think in kind of an obvious and upfront way it's about building and maintaining the

01:35:45.580 folk that we have in your area arranging arranging moots and meetups and gatherings and rituals in

01:35:54.620 your area helping to weave together the community from our members that are scattered throughout

01:36:01.580 the area that you're taking care of i think those things are kind of obvious but a little bit less

01:36:08.300 obvious there's a lot of behind the scenes that goes on with it if you become a folk builder

01:36:12.300 you're part of the leadership team for your district. And there's any number of AFA tasks

01:36:17.060 that we may need your help with. It involves database management. It involves helping with

01:36:28.000 various member issues on the back end, on a tech end that you may not see, responding to and

01:36:34.260 answering, answering and responding to kind of the same thing, responding to emails from other

01:36:40.080 leadership but also from people who are curious about membership or have questions it means that

01:36:46.000 your real name and your face will be publicly available on the website to so people can direct

01:36:52.480 their questions to you and so you can help build from there it also involves interacting on social

01:36:59.600 media and helping us grow the afa in general and quite a few other little odds and ends that come

01:37:07.040 up but if it's something that anybody's interested in not just the guy who asked the question in

01:37:12.320 utah but anyone else that wants to get into folk building reach out to the go through your githia

01:37:18.640 in your district and yeah see what's involved maybe it's something you'd be really interested

01:37:25.040 in maybe something you'd be really good at if you want to give it a try every place that we have

01:37:31.360 a successful group of afa members started out by one person stepping up to folk build and that's

01:37:40.240 the genesis of the wonderful things that we have these places that's the start is one person who

01:37:48.320 saw there was a need who stepped up and who was that focal point to get this all moving in their

01:37:55.040 area. Welcome back, Svon. We got Svon back with us. I think with that, because the question was

01:38:05.400 kind of directed at him, I will go back just a little bit. And there we go. Cody wants to know,

01:38:17.220 Witten Svon, can you describe the need fire and the prayer we say before bloat as we light

01:38:23.060 the need fire? Yes. Well, first and foremost, there's a ritualistic format that has filled

01:38:34.720 the need, pun intended, I guess, at Thorshof in which there was a, you know, in the beginning

01:38:45.620 of our bloats, there's a sequence of prayers that have kind of developed. The reason for

01:38:52.960 this is because temples are relatively new to Ausatru. And as we've come together, we have

01:39:01.920 Gothar that have been practicing with their folk, whether in kindred format or family formats or

01:39:11.120 whatever, regionals, national events. And there has been a kind of culmination of our traditions

01:39:18.320 coming together. And most certainly the lighting of the need fire ultimately stems from the

01:39:26.780 influence of Witt and Daniel Young, his prayer of lighting the light. So the lighting of a light

01:39:37.960 is pretty common in case of, you know, bloats throughout the Austro Folk Assembly. However,

01:39:47.200 specifically associating the lighting of the need fire to the lighting of that light

01:39:53.040 um has developed more recently and um what ends up kind of formulating is that we

01:40:02.080 upon entering into the uh into the sacred space into the vey um we end up ultimately coming in

01:40:11.880 setting up, uh, saying our hails to, uh, Thor in Thor's off. And then we light a sacred flame,

01:40:20.600 the need fire, and we recite not verbatim. It's more of a, of a, um, instinctual prayers depending

01:40:28.540 on, um, how one feels, but it's the, uh, the lighting of the need fire. The need fire is alive.

01:40:35.280 the need fire is a light. We light this flame so that Heimdall may see us and bear witness to our

01:40:42.280 deeds on this day, and that this light, which is our faith, will burn away the barriers that sit

01:40:48.820 before us. It's something very akin to this, as we basically acknowledge that Heimdall is the

01:40:57.060 us that sits between the heavenly realm and the earthly realm. And when we light that light,

01:41:04.340 We are asking him to bear witness to our obligation to the gods of our people.

01:41:10.620 We are fulfilling our duties in aligning ourselves with the gods in our sacred holy tides.

01:41:18.060 And so we ask that Heimdall bear witness by the lighting of that need fire.

01:41:23.840 So that's kind of how that developed.

01:41:27.620 then the next of course is that we light sacred smoke and we ask that the the prayers that we are

01:41:34.980 saying will be carried up aloft so the first gift given to heimdall is the smoke the sacred smoke

01:41:42.400 and we ask that in his the way he protects heaven that the sacred smoke will protect us and bless us

01:41:48.360 and build our awareness higher and understanding of all things both material and divine and that's

01:41:55.800 how it's kind of developed. Is that the case in every Hoff? No. And I think that that's one of

01:42:00.480 the beautiful things about the Astro True Folk Assemblies. Every Hoff has a different layout

01:42:07.180 based, whether it's constructurally, whether it's the size of the vey, the size of the harrow

01:42:15.100 that we hold bloat at. And sometimes, you know, there's even outdoor and indoor,

01:42:21.680 certain things about fire, certain Hoffs can't have open flames outside or during certain times

01:42:28.060 of the year. And, um, so you have this adaptability that kind of extends, or perhaps even came from

01:42:37.700 the adaptability of Ausatru, whether it's been at home and kindred events or what have you. Um,

01:42:44.660 We have a kind of general surrounding of what we're doing, but we go forth into the event, whether it's the holy tide that has very specific things, whether it's a bread horse or a plow or a sacred fire or herbs are going to be burned.

01:43:02.220 Almost every holy tide has something unique and different, and every temple has something unique and different.

01:43:09.520 So it makes it fun when we go to other temples to see exactly how the Gothar there will go about accomplishing the bridge building that we are doing between us and the gods.

01:43:21.760 And it's not always, you know, a sense of like, you know, placing candlestick in point A and horn and in, you know, sector B. It's not mapped out entirely. It's more or less done with a sense of spiritual adaptability, depending on what's going on.

01:43:44.940 And that builds a kind of zeitgeist of the way that we do things.

01:43:51.580 Harrows at the Hof are, you know, generally flat tables.

01:43:55.120 But we've seen people have harrows at their home that are ancestral shelves or smaller tables or mantel places.

01:44:03.420 I've seen wall-mounted, you know, open cabinetry or even large, like, hutches, if you will, that are used as harrows for ancestral spaces, for the land whites, and so on and so forth.

01:44:20.000 Or most people have their land white harrows or horgs, actually, outside, a horg being an outdoor altar, if you will.

01:44:29.980 so it does have a tendency to adapt very differently but i would say that the biggest

01:44:37.700 thing to understand in bloat structure is that there are three distinct groups or time frames

01:44:44.080 in the in bloat structure there's of course the separation from the mundane and that can take

01:44:50.800 place through ritual cleansing uh dressing well processing to the area there's sometimes there's

01:44:57.620 ringing of bells. There's prayers. Sometimes there's horns being blown. There's generally

01:45:05.040 logistics of getting the folk into place and setting the area up as far as so that there's

01:45:13.560 nobody getting trampled on, that the children aren't making a crazy amount of noise or what

01:45:19.560 have you. And then we enter into the second part of the bloat, which is actually the exchange in

01:45:23.840 which the Gothar or the presiding, let's say if you're doing this at home and you're the head of

01:45:29.040 the household, you would then begin the exchange, which is gifting to the gods, gifting of whatever

01:45:37.080 it might be, and everyone partaking in placing their faith into that gift, and then giving to

01:45:43.340 the gods and asking if the gods see us worthy, that they would then give us in return. That's

01:45:49.760 a big key thing there. I think that is, um, you know, greatly different from, I would say other,

01:45:55.260 you know, practicing faith, faiths or, or, or, uh, whatever, even, even some of the, um, I guess,

01:46:02.100 kind of, uh, I don't even know what we would call them, but varying views of polytheistic practice,

01:46:11.040 if you will, uh, is that we seek to ask the gods that if we are worthy of their, their blessing

01:46:18.460 that we we receive it and then the final part of course is the gifting over in which we take that

01:46:24.300 gift and we sacredly place it away generally through fire through earth through uh water um

01:46:32.540 we gift and move from there so those three things are always going to happen

01:46:37.980 it's just uniquely different depending on whether or not we have uh let's say for

01:46:43.740 instance we have one gothar or if it's the head of the household hey or if we have like a govi

01:46:50.860 and give you that could change things greatly as well so i would say one of the big things is um

01:46:58.700 every regional area every hof every kindred and even every household has a overall format

01:47:07.340 that we follow, but that it can be uniquely different in certain key aspects. Every Govi

01:47:17.060 performs their sacred rites in slightly different ways. And so one thing that's

01:47:25.020 happened at Thorshof is it's become a coalescence of different traditions coming together,

01:47:30.540 creating a streamlined effect in which we open and start ceremony.

01:47:37.340 and that the need fire and the lighting of the need fire is a key component in that and again

01:47:42.300 i mentioned that earlier that comes from there's a i i cannot remember the name of the document but

01:47:48.300 there's a christian um codex in which they were talking about how the um you know the anglo-saxon

01:47:55.660 pagans started their ceremonies by friction and creating their sacred fires um and this

01:48:03.820 alludes to it being outdoors so um the lighting of the light is has become

01:48:12.060 synonymous with the lighting of the need fire some of it can be done by friction some of it

01:48:15.820 can be done simply as you know lighting a light from a lighter or a candle or a match um because

01:48:24.700 again seeking that perfection and letting it stand in the way of what is good light the fire

01:48:31.980 and, you know, make the proclamation of its need. Ultimately, it is the need of us as well,

01:48:38.760 reaching out to the gods. So for newer people that are listening or for folks that

01:48:51.640 have only practiced house of truth with your local group,

01:48:56.100 there are many many different ways to do it the point is to be respectful and to know that you're

01:49:03.180 doing you're doing something special so thorshoff has developed a pretty intricate

01:49:10.160 ritual and how they light the ritual fire at in their worship space there

01:49:16.780 baldurshoff has one too some other places a little bit less so the utility of getting a fire going

01:49:25.380 is really important depending on where you're at and if you're doing it outside.

01:49:32.460 But the idea is it is a special fire. It's not just haphazardly there. It's done with intent.

01:49:41.860 It's done with intent that that's where your folk are gathering to approach the gods.

01:49:48.100 And that can look a lot of different ways depending on the circumstance or on what's

01:49:52.420 involved. A couple of things about that idea of fire and light being sacred to our people and in

01:50:00.140 ritual. Finding Ausatru and coming home to Ausatru when I was in Alaska, there's a number of

01:50:07.260 different challenges. So up there, and I'm going to mark my words, I'm going to do this again

01:50:13.140 at Tiershoff when we move out to Sigurheim. But it was really important to me and to those who

01:50:20.100 practice with me to observe some of our days charming of the plows kind of when we want it to

01:50:27.540 be but the solstices and the equinoxes are at very precise moments in time it was important as an act

01:50:37.220 of devotion that we observe those whenever they were supposed to happen regardless so you know

01:50:46.740 we'd go out in the middle of a storm at 3 15 in the morning if that's when the moment of solstice

01:50:56.020 was and we would go out to the horg and perform bloat so it led to some you know strategic issues

01:51:05.620 we'd be in the middle of a stow storm all the woods drenched we're you know we sometimes we'd

01:51:11.460 be out in the woods if it wasn't at my house and we'd be in the middle of it with i remember one

01:51:19.940 want to say it was an ostara and it was just a storm it was soaking wet and we had uh we had

01:51:27.460 a guy up there and his whole position his job was the fire master and it was his job

01:51:32.420 to keep the fire going so he would have a gas can and perpetually every time the water was

01:51:39.540 going to make the fire go out he'd splash gas on it throughout the ritual so he's constantly

01:51:44.740 splashing gasoline on this fire that is struggling to go while we're doing ritual and

01:51:52.020 that may seem silly or perhaps irreverent to people without

01:51:57.300 who weren't there but the idea was no we're standing out in the rain getting soaked to the

01:52:02.340 bone because we're going to observe this at the right time because it was really important and

01:52:06.420 that's why we're doing it and yes it means we've got a doofus over there throwing gas on the fire

01:52:14.580 one time he splashed this poor lady all up and down the leg of one of her pant legs

01:52:20.340 with the gas while this was going on caught her pants on fire uh caught the gas can on fire 0.52

01:52:28.820 that was his last time in that position just to just to let you know but

01:52:33.060 but no one was hurt or, or scarred during the incident.

01:52:38.320 He was putting it out there, but no, things, things like that had happened up there.

01:52:42.120 Also, what was really special to us was at, um, at Yule, we would light,

01:52:51.420 we'd light a big community candle to, well, okay.

01:52:56.640 A couple of things.

01:52:57.460 The idea was basically to light a flame and to tend that flame from sundown until sunup over the longest night of the year.

01:53:08.620 And that really meant something up in Alaska that was, you know, from like 4, 4.30 in the afternoon until maybe 11.30 in the morning the next day.

01:53:20.160 So it was a process.

01:53:23.080 And many of us would light a candle.

01:53:25.480 I remember one time when I was going to someone else's home when I was doing it, I lit a candle at my house at sundown and I had to like nurse this candle in the car as I drove to my friend's house, like trying to keep this candle going and make sure that the heater and the AC and like nothing blew it out.

01:53:41.500 And I remember actually a couple instances of that, or we'd light them together.

01:53:46.680 And if people had to go to their own homes and they couldn't stay over the night at our house where we're celebrating, they would light a candle off of our main candle and keep that candle going.

01:53:56.800 But tending that flame was really important.

01:53:58.840 So it can take a lot of different shapes and forms, but the idea of having a ritual fire and of tending that as an act of devotion or as a ritual act of separation is really important.

01:54:14.500 Our next question, is Gleema not a martial art based on Viking fighting?

01:54:21.380 um if you ask the guy that came up with Gleema in the 1970s he's going to tell you that it is

01:54:34.220 I believe in his mind it is done with the spirit of how he conceived Viking fighting to be

01:54:47.480 um I don't think that the average

01:54:51.780 scandinavian that got on a long boat to go raiding was a black belt gleema i don't think that 0.64

01:55:01.380 i don't think that's real i think that and i say that we have a modern version of gleema

01:55:08.580 there was attestations to vikings used to wrestle with gleema i think that their actual fighting had

01:55:19.060 nothing to do with gleamah but i thought gleamah was a good the way i understand historical gleamah

01:55:27.220 was it was a good test of balance and it was kind of a balance based wrestling thing to see

01:55:34.340 who could unbalance the other undoubtedly increasing your balance is beneficial to

01:55:41.540 hand-to-hand warfare certainly i think that what people practice today is some systemized structure

01:55:51.060 of glema is not based on anything tangible that we can trust in its ancient authenticity

01:55:59.300 but honestly i'm not an expert glema could be a really cool thing and just because most of it was

01:56:06.420 fleshed out and most of it is very very modern created it could be awesome i don't know there's

01:56:14.020 as far as i know there's very few people that are practitioners of glema and that are instructors

01:56:19.940 of glema i've never met someone who practices glema and i've been involved in house of true for

01:56:28.580 since yeah for about 22 years now so but yeah it could be a really really cool thing but i think

01:56:35.700 that it's being based on viking combat is very very very stretched i i know a bit about gleema

01:56:47.060 it is a national sport in iceland if you will swan is our resident black belt in gleema

01:56:54.420 break us down the the secret art of gleema black leg straps to be no um i think that if you look at

01:57:03.140 well if you look at uh there's you know if you see the ancient kind of festival uh competitions

01:57:10.820 where people could compete against each other without you know drawing blood or killing each

01:57:15.300 other or things like that um and so you know you have like two men holding a log with ropes and

01:57:20.740 they're trying to off balance each other um i think that was where the origin of gleam ultimately

01:57:26.420 derived from but whether or not that was during the the viking age um it's not really known uh

01:57:34.580 they did wrestle we know that they wrestled it's mentioned in the sagas quite often but it's never

01:57:38.900 specified on how they do it and the word is not really used but um you know it's it became its own

01:57:48.180 sport in as it developed in iceland over time and it started to take on its own sense of um

01:57:58.420 you know priorities one of the things that's most notable is the leg straps in gleam they use leg

01:58:04.260 straps so one of the things that the entire martial arts hinges on is either that one your

01:58:09.300 opponent is wearing those leg straps or he's wearing trousers that are baggy enough to grab

01:58:14.660 onto which is i think what they ultimately developed from was it was part of the rule was

01:58:19.060 either utilizing a belt or trousers each opponent had to grab the outside of the trousers of his of

01:58:25.940 his um opponent and maybe he had you know right arm out left arm in and you know when in grasping

01:58:32.740 they would start and then it was about you know off balancing your opponent and making him touch

01:58:37.460 his knee on the floor but that's the end of it is to get him to touch his knee on the floor it's

01:58:42.180 almost like a i would say like a nordic variation of sumo wrestling in a way so if you found yourself

01:58:48.900 in 1990 or 91 you could do battle with mc hammer and those who chose to have the parachute pants

01:58:58.500 with your gleema with your gleema technique yes no and it's i mean if you see old photographs from

01:59:05.380 the 1950s of gleema you know the men are clean cut they're wearing uh like a greco-roman style

01:59:11.380 wrestling leotard but they don't wear headgear because again pinning and and placing you know

01:59:18.100 great amounts of weight on the ears is not emphasized um and then they wear these uh

01:59:22.900 leg straps that have handle pieces of leather on the outside of their thighs and that's where

01:59:28.340 the grip is and the idea is it's kind of a combination of pushing spinning and and ultimately

01:59:35.460 throwing um built around it but it's legitimately to say it's a martial art is a really big stretch

01:59:43.380 right to say it's like authentically viking is also a big stretch and i think in a way

01:59:47.300 it's similar to the highland games the highland games are symbolically relevant to highland

01:59:57.780 warfare of a clinic scottish period but not really you're not out there chucking cabers

02:00:07.860 at your enemy but your ability to do so lends yourself strength and balance that does help you

02:00:15.060 in battle um your ability to chuck a big rock you're gonna chuck a massive rock at your enemy

02:00:21.860 while he's you know hacking and slashing and cutting at you but your ability to lift a stone

02:00:26.900 and control throw it means that you can do a lot of other things on the battlefield that way but

02:00:32.500 in the same way that the highland games aren't a martial art i'd say that you know it'd be hard

02:00:37.220 it'd be hard to call glema and a martial art based on viking combat yeah and it's very similar to

02:00:45.300 like in hema you know if you think about somebody with a saber uh versus somebody who has a saber

02:00:51.060 in modern day fencing the most people that that do um you know they recreate and relearn or teach

02:01:01.780 european martial arts of fighting with swords and spears and halberds and all of those things they

02:01:08.020 would look at um the french style fight or fencing or italian style sport fencing as being nowhere

02:01:16.420 near actual real combat but it ends up becoming its own thing about a prowess of agility and

02:01:22.660 strategy and speed um but just say that it's distinctly a martial art i i think it's a

02:01:30.840 development from a festivity game of wrestling because uh you know a lot of disputes back then

02:01:37.460 were settled and our understanding of martial arts especially amongst the viking age is

02:01:42.180 very very shoddy i mean even to the point where a lot of people don't realize like the usage of

02:01:46.800 halberds uh single-edged viking swords you never see them now people recreate them but they were

02:01:53.140 they found single-edged falchion style swords um they found curved swords that were used during

02:02:01.000 the viking age they found um mentions of halberds and hook bills and things that a lot of people

02:02:07.500 don't normally associate with vikings if you will um you know normally it's axe shield spear sword

02:02:14.860 and the sword looks very distinct but most people didn't even own a sword back then it was

02:02:19.100 that was royalty and things like that so i think that it's it's a little bit misconstrued but not

02:02:25.060 bad and it's certainly a cultural sport indicative of iceland like icelanders and and glema that's

02:02:34.660 where that comes from. And that's what it does. Norwegians don't particularly do it. So, and if

02:02:41.020 they do, it's because it's spread over there. A fun fact in Iceland, boxing and when I was a kid,

02:02:48.960 boxing and MMA and kickboxing was outlawed. A lot of people don't know that, but it was, yeah,

02:02:56.260 you couldn't really do a lot of those sports back in the seventies and eighties. And it wasn't until

02:03:01.640 the late 90s and the turn in 2000 that um boxing and other sort of uh you know aggressive uh combat

02:03:09.480 sports were allowed in iceland

02:03:16.760 there you go if nick were faster he'd have that the more you know with the little rainbow

02:03:20.920 so thoughts on tom rousel's theory on ancient north eurasians what he calls

02:03:32.920 real hypervorians from siberia being the common ancestor of the indo-europeans and native americans

02:03:44.040 it's fine do you have thoughts on this okay i understand where this is coming from in certain

02:03:49.800 lights. Um, there is, uh, the Northern, there's a Northern tribe of Japanese that have a full

02:03:57.160 facial beards. Uh, they, they don't look like what you would consider more of like the Oriental 0.99

02:04:03.920 Asiatic. Um, and you know, there's a lot of debate of course, about the connection between the,

02:04:12.060 the caucus or central Russian step Aryans and the possibility of them having an extension that kind

02:04:19.440 of overwent Russia towards the, you know, the Bering Strait or, you know, the connection between

02:04:25.940 Russia and Alaska. And that there may have been groups that descended into even where the island

02:04:30.500 of Japan is that are actually of a different stock than, you know, what we see as Japanese

02:04:37.580 people today. I forgot the name of the people. The women have tattoos on their faces and the men

02:04:43.820 have um very large beards and they look um the japanese ones yes the i knew the i knew people

02:04:51.800 yes uh and there was a there was this discussion going around and i i you know i saw um thomas

02:04:59.280 rousel commenting on this and i was deeply interested in it and but uh you know there's

02:05:03.580 a lot of things that we don't know so this this looks like uh and again i did see um that there

02:05:11.320 are smatterings of, uh, Aryan genetics or folk genetics or Caucasian genetics within certain,

02:05:19.000 uh, Northeastern Asiatic people. But the reasoning behind it might not be from

02:05:24.680 entirely from migration, but if you take that and you take the, the concept of hyperborea

02:05:32.120 and the North central and combine those two, then, so people are starting to kind of

02:05:38.660 build connective points. And I don't know yet how viable they are. Genetics is an amazing thing.

02:05:48.160 And I think that Thomas Roussel's, when he was getting a lot of slack about the invasion theory

02:05:56.440 of India and how it, he was just academically getting waves and waves and waves, and he stood

02:06:03.140 up against it. And then ultimately, you know, genetic kind of tracing proved that a lot of

02:06:08.980 people, and he was just forefronting it at this time, showed that there was an Aryan influx

02:06:14.600 into India, in the Northwest. But right now, I think, I personally don't know if it's tangible

02:06:22.140 enough, or perhaps there might've been later migrations or things of that nature. And so I

02:06:28.080 would separate the two. I would look at how the, if there was genetic evidence to connect,

02:06:35.200 that would be interesting in how exactly it may have happened. But then the Hyperborea

02:06:40.160 concept of the, of the central and Northern Siberia and the, and the folk ultimately coming

02:06:47.060 from there, that's almost in a sense, kind of a separate subject. That's very interesting as well.

02:06:52.860 in my opinion the point of commonality is a apparently a cherokee woman in the

02:07:00.680 southeastern united states that is everyone's grandma for generations now

02:07:05.340 you're talking about the uh yeah no the point that's just a really unique and strange thing

02:07:14.260 that we still run into this day it seems like everyone in the

02:07:19.420 i'd say pretty much everyone in the old confederacy outside of virginia

02:07:30.920 has some cherokee princess grandma that somebody told him about that genetically doesn't pan out

02:07:38.380 um any the the cherokee uh general that the last one to to actually stop fighting during the

02:07:47.620 the uh war of northern aggression he was the last one told by general lee to like put his

02:07:54.700 sword down so i think that garnered a lot of you know mystique in the south as well

02:08:00.300 of the cherokee people it's a thing and i think that almost everybody runs into it and honestly

02:08:08.040 it predates um just tracing that as a the cherokee princess phenomenon back it goes

02:08:15.120 to the revolution and before to where there's absolutely no genetic markers, but a bunch of

02:08:22.020 Southern families will, you know, they have this, this ancestral tradition that, you know, they had

02:08:29.640 had some sort of, of Cherokee female ancestor. Anyways, that's a random aside. It's just funny

02:08:37.580 because it's such a commonality that we see, especially from Southerners who want to join the

02:08:42.680 AFA, assuring us that they've checked it out and it's not true, but they had always been told.

02:08:48.420 Anyways, I'm not familiar with Thomas Roussel's specific theory on it, but I've heard a lot of

02:08:56.220 different theories on how Aryan stock originally made it into the Americas.

02:09:02.960 um i am thoroughly convinced that there was a infusion of that well predating

02:09:11.200 colombian americans and you know predating viking age explorers as well

02:09:17.760 i think there's merit to the salute the salutrian theory i think there's merit to a lot of different

02:09:25.520 things what i think is fascinating but at the same time really frustrating

02:09:31.420 is trying to piece that together and realizing there may be some of that we might just never know

02:09:39.280 um i went on a kick this last year of reading and i know it's kind of late to the party on it

02:09:46.800 but reading a bunch i i listened in the gym and on drives to every single non-fiction book

02:09:54.460 that Graham Hancock wrote that made it to, you know, audio book. And I found it super fascinating.

02:10:03.680 I don't agree with him on everything, but he raises so many really interesting and fascinating

02:10:08.920 tidbits. It makes me wonder how that all came about. So there were absolutely white people

02:10:16.280 in the Americas before Leif Erikson. How that happened, I couldn't tell you for, you know,

02:10:24.140 exactly but it is true that's kind of something i say about metaphysics and the gods as well

02:10:29.500 we know certain things are true we may not know how they are true or why they are true and that's

02:10:35.340 kind of the point of science is to learn how to understand truths that we know to be self-evident 0.88

02:10:41.980 and understand that you know kind of backfill why that's the case certainly there were white

02:10:48.140 people here at one point certainly white people and indians or you know alleged native americans

02:10:59.500 are uh different groups of people clearly there are asians that are closely related

02:11:07.580 to native americans how that all fleshes out is fascinating to me and i wish that i had a

02:11:13.260 a real solid answer on that i certainly don't know enough about it to dispute uh thomas razzle on his

02:11:19.260 assessment of it why don't we talk about norse animals like the squirrel ratatasker that climbed

02:11:28.220 the yggdrasil to send messages and fought with uh that's a rather full near

02:11:37.740 got to break it down syllable by syllable because i'm not a native islander

02:11:41.020 um because fine people like yourself have not asked that's why honestly it really doesn't come

02:11:54.460 up in conversation that much i think i always thought that was really cool for a lot of different

02:11:59.800 reasons just if nothing else no metaphysics to it just story-wise that it's cool that you have

02:12:05.200 squirrel that runs from nidhogger at the base of the tree up to to the eagle talking you know

02:12:15.360 inciting each of them to be irritated and gossiping back and forth i think it's just a fun

02:12:20.480 image regardless i think there's bigger truths to it certainly but just

02:12:24.640 on a first read of norse mythology i thought that was fascinating really really cool um

02:12:35.200 yeah question of why don't we talk about that stuff

02:12:43.280 i don't think it comes up a lot in our communication i would be curious to know

02:12:50.640 what you think of it and why you think it's a particularly important thing for us to talk about

02:12:56.880 not in a challenging way just in a genuinely curious way i think there's a lot of layers

02:13:04.640 to meanings of it but i think that at this stage and also true we're so very focused on

02:13:13.040 building relationships with the with the major gods of our folk that some of the um

02:13:22.480 dissection of the imagery found in the eddas is less often spoken of there's important points

02:13:31.760 to the names of the dwarves to the hearts that gnaw on the tree to the goat there's there's a

02:13:42.160 lot of things there that are special to talk about and if that's something you guys would

02:13:49.360 like us to talk more about we could can yeah we could remember this nick right this is something

02:13:57.040 that maybe we want to do a show on later just devoted to animals in our lore and i think that

02:14:03.920 would be a fascinating thing for us to talk about so i really appreciate your your question your

02:14:07.840 suggestion why do you think it is fun that we don't talk more about ratatosk well i think that

02:14:14.800 cosmological development and understanding meta narratives or meta stories or mythic stories of

02:14:21.040 our folk uh leave to a certain sense of observation that in a lot of ways people take our faith from

02:14:29.600 the aidas and don't um delve too much just understanding it as a structural thing or

02:14:36.640 perhaps a flow of things i do have a personal um as it was taught to me um in reference to

02:14:45.360 of course, the eagle and the hawk on the tree and ratataskar or, you know, clattering teeth

02:14:52.780 and nidhogar below. And what, you know, the understanding of a stratification of the upper

02:15:00.280 world, middle world, lower world, which is very important. And I, you know, emphasize that greatly

02:15:05.960 in the earlier VNSs is understanding one about where things are, why things are there and how

02:15:14.480 they move in between each other. And I think that when we talk about the cosmology of Yggdrasil,

02:15:21.420 one of the things that really throws a lot of people off is the understanding of the central

02:15:28.660 point of a place. There is a central kind of symbolic point of the middle world. There is

02:15:36.060 a central point of the heavenly world and a central point of the lower world. And all of

02:15:41.020 those are interconnected, the Nordic connectivity was in through motion. So you have the root

02:15:52.600 structure and the idea of people think of the roots as they need to see a clear and concise

02:16:02.840 correlation or that the wells are all aligned or they're like a well that's enclosed.

02:16:11.020 But, you know, seeing in our stories and understanding that the heavenly well at the center of heaven, which is Yggdrasil, is this, it's described as a lake, and the lake has two swans in it, and the Nornir are there, and the gods go there, they leave Ithavol and Ausgard are there, and they come down to that spot, and they hold counsel.

02:16:30.780 and at the top of that tree is the eagle wind torn and the hawk that sits abreast its beak

02:16:39.820 and as I was I have come to my understanding is that the tripartite of the original

02:16:48.180 in Ganungagap nothing dies in our faith it always transforms and so as Bor and Besla beset

02:16:58.920 down heaven, their souls elevated to the eagle and the hawk. And the soul of Ymir did not just

02:17:09.100 dissipate and die, but slunk down into the shadows of Nivelheim and into the nethers, 0.99

02:17:16.440 into the netherworld. And he seeks, his soul still seeks to break the root of the interconnected

02:17:23.400 tree to break that cycle. And Ratataskar to me has always been, I've always kind of taken it as

02:17:29.960 the heart or the soul of Adhumla coming back, that life energy, because one of the big things about

02:17:37.220 both Adhumla and Ratataskar is the interconnectedness of life and the ability for life to

02:17:45.260 spread through Yggdrasil, through the roots, going to the places unknown that only Odin knows,

02:17:52.300 And then springing up in strange places like the well of Mimir, where only Odin knows where it truly resides in the middle world.

02:18:03.620 And so Ratatosk has always been a semblance of that life and that interconnectedness.

02:18:09.340 And in essence, in the story, is distracting Nidogar from uprooting that root.

02:18:16.320 So the mission of Ratataskar is to constantly incite response from the lower realm in order to keep Nidhogg from separating that root and thus breaking that cycle.

02:18:31.280 All right. So really good reminder.

02:18:35.580 Hi, Mary. So a reminder brought up by our friend Mary in Las Vegas.

02:18:41.640 Some people may be listening to this show in different chunks.

02:18:45.100 I think front-loading all of the questions up front and then cramming in the last two runes may not be our best way to do it.

02:18:52.060 So we'll go ahead after this, after we talk about Ratatosk, we'll move on to Yara, okay?

02:18:58.420 And so a couple of few things I wanted to say about Ratatosk.

02:19:04.920 So much of our lore has layers and correlations.

02:19:09.340 the traveling of messages of energy of

02:19:16.580 things from the upper to the lower and back again

02:19:22.380 can be seen in so many of our understandings of myth in so many different ways

02:19:30.220 in one way if you look at the body's nervous system you see that very much looking like

02:19:38.960 world tree with roots and branches the idea of up and down that column up and down the yigdrasil of

02:19:45.600 our body the energy traveling through the spine from the root chakra to the crown chakra and back

02:19:53.040 and forth i think there's something to be said about that in other ways the shamanic the idea

02:20:00.000 of descending to the lower realms to the chthonic taking the wisdom and power from the chthonic

02:20:08.960 up into the astral or taking the astral and that divine will back down into the chthonic roots

02:20:16.180 has profound implications for a lot of our ritual and a lot of our practice. And I think that we

02:20:22.100 could really build a lot on that. It's something that I know we'll talk about more when we talk

02:20:27.500 about you, Oz. But yeah, for tonight, and I appreciate your reminder, Mary, let's go ahead.

02:20:36.060 And Svahn, can you tell folks as if they've never heard of it before about the rune Yera?

02:20:42.640 Yeah, did we?

02:20:43.480 Oh, yes.

02:20:44.780 I must have missed.

02:20:47.080 Did we do ESA?

02:20:51.300 Hold on.

02:20:52.020 Let me look at this.

02:20:53.660 I've got to consult the chart.

02:20:55.220 We did not.

02:20:55.860 I thought.

02:20:57.780 Because for people that are listening and not visually able to see this, I had an internet

02:21:02.380 connection issue and I banked out.

02:21:05.080 So coming back in, I'm like still trying to figure out exactly where, like, how much did I miss?

02:21:11.180 No, you're fine.

02:21:12.520 We did not cover Isa.

02:21:15.760 The way that the graphic was made for this episode mixes up the two.

02:21:21.300 And for whatever in my head, I was going with the graphic and not the Futhark that I should know the order of much better than do right now.

02:21:29.260 So, yes, let's talk about Isa.

02:21:30.920 Well, and one of the things, this is a key component to understanding one of the best ways to look, even though our order, the way that we're doing the three runes, this is new to talk, you know, talking, when I talk about the Norn runes, the Norn runes of Hagalaz, Naothis, and Isa, it helps to organize certain things.

02:21:55.780 in that mythos of story understanding that what we come to with isa is it is called the ice rune

02:22:03.140 it that's what isa means and it kind of coalesces with hagalas and nouthis you have hagalas which

02:22:13.540 creates um uh pressure and um you know in a sense the the chaotic form of the the the grain seed

02:22:22.660 wrecking your crops and regrowing we we covered that in the previous vns and then we talk about

02:22:27.940 the constraint and the toil that is required to work from that devastation and then lastly there

02:22:34.500 is isa which is the icing uh or or the the the freezing of um in that sense we come to an

02:22:43.940 application of the third nornir and scold scold is it translates to to debt that which is owed

02:22:54.820 and the reason why is because the future is not seen as a destination but a culmination of the

02:23:00.660 deeds that led us there because there are are multiple factors that are going to be in play

02:23:06.580 when we bring ourselves into the into the future if you will based on or law or the the primordial

02:23:15.340 layers of of deed that have been committed before so with isa there's a focusing point it's a

02:23:22.660 singularity on a basic level this is called the ice rune isa is a rune that is always associated

02:23:29.500 with stillness with centralization whether it could be in the positive sense a time to stop

02:23:36.020 to look inward, to refocus, to recalibrate. It is, you know, Dr. Flowers calls it the rune of the

02:23:44.000 ego. So it has a lot of internal meanings. Externally, it also means it's a time of

02:23:50.700 non-movement. It's hard to move on ice. It's hard to gain traction. And that the idea is that

02:23:56.220 with these three Norns in this grand epoch story of the runes, you have the Nornir coming to the 0.67

02:24:05.080 gods to explain that the deeds that have been taken, the flooding of the middle, 0.81

02:24:12.380 Ymir's death and his soul descension down, and the ordering of the middle world and the upper

02:24:19.720 world has led to a series of starting points that creates the ultimate, what we would call like the 0.94

02:24:26.680 doom of the gods or the Gata Damarang, the twilight of the gods. And that is seen as kind of

02:24:33.300 an end state of that cycle. And with that, I think this comes to the point where once

02:24:40.920 the Nornir place themselves in heaven and they place themselves as the central point of presiding 1.00

02:24:46.760 over the dissipation of weird and of time itself, the gods seek now to focus themselves on what is

02:24:55.060 truly important. And that's why we constantly see the themes in our stories about Odin staving off

02:25:02.880 the doom through action, through deeds, is continuous efforts at keeping the inevitable

02:25:13.200 at bay. The sunset is coming, but to try to stave them off by learning new things,

02:25:22.780 by gaining knowledge, by understanding, formulating, and then ultimately moving

02:25:28.300 against those things that would bring about a unbalanced end. And that's ultimately, I think,

02:25:35.740 what is trying to be set here. So I think that I've always associated this room with the paradigm

02:25:43.340 of the human soul in relation to the gods. And I think that one of the things when we are giving

02:25:47.820 our might to the gods, we are doing that in bloat and in sacrifice. We are aligning our might and

02:25:55.620 our, and our will to the gods with the essence that our soul might ascendant will aid the gods

02:26:04.160 in battling those forces of chaos. A lot of people don't, um, in modern Astru see that

02:26:12.360 a lot, or at least people, again, don't talk about it often is the idea that

02:26:17.140 why Odin is filling Dalhal, why the heavenly realm is being filled with ascendant souls

02:26:25.420 and the idea that there's a balance of between chaos and order and so the ordered soul the

02:26:32.740 hierarchical soul the soul that understands beyond just individuality but with the collectiveness of

02:26:39.220 the folk and the collectiveness of the gods attains that elevation in order to bring

02:26:44.760 semblance and balance and this is represented a lot in isa the the the not necessarily i'm not

02:26:54.040 saying like the axis mundi but uh the axis of purpose if you will is that in this point

02:27:01.660 i think that the gods realizing in the the the overall events that led up to what will inevitably

02:27:10.220 inevitably become involves humanity the folk and the gods in alignment with each other with purpose

02:27:20.580 with understanding with internal reflection. And so Isa is that rune of not clopping your feet on

02:27:29.240 the ice, not, you know, sliding and gripping to stop, to reevaluate, to recalibrate, and to

02:27:36.340 get firm ground. So in divination, this rune has a tendency to mean that there's going to be a

02:27:42.600 sudden stop in movement, that there's going to be a deep need to stop wasting energy, to stop

02:27:49.140 wasting mental energy and to start building from inside back out again it's a recalibration

02:27:57.300 of the uh axis of organization the hierarchical reset if you will

02:28:08.100 yeah this is

02:28:11.220 this is one of the more valuable i say that to me personally i find this rune to be very

02:28:19.060 valuable in meditative practice and in my own spiritual work for a variety of reasons

02:28:26.020 i was initially gonna say this is one of but that's not fair all of us have different needs

02:28:33.540 when we go into a meditative place this one is very useful for me i think all of our runes are

02:28:40.420 very useful for that if you know depending on the person and the circumstance um before we go into

02:28:47.860 that though nick if you would throw our uh icelandic room poem up for isa

02:28:59.860 ice bark of rivers and roof of the wave and destruction of the doomed

02:29:10.420 in the norwegian

02:29:11.540 ice we call the broad bridge the blind man must be led

02:29:20.860 and the anglo-saxon

02:29:25.080 ice is very cold and immeasurably slippery it glistens as clear as glass and most like to gyms

02:29:38.580 It is a floor wrought by the frost, fair to look upon.

02:29:46.800 And this rune is also represented in the Arminen runes as Is.

02:30:08.580 a ninth i know if i need if need i find to secure my ship from harm

02:30:18.900 i calm the wind when waves run high and put the sea to sleep

02:30:24.100 again the referencing to the sea being asleep the roof of the waves the bridge over the water 0.98

02:30:34.000 so the poems tell us that ice is slippery that blind people are gonna fall and bust their butt

02:30:44.580 if we don't help them out that it looks like gems because it's shiny and it's pretty

02:30:49.860 all of those things i i think at a different time in a different place may be more useful

02:30:56.720 but remember a lot of those poems are a for aardvark um but specifically the armin one

02:31:03.840 The Arminen interpretation this relates to that rune song is very, very valuable to me.

02:31:12.400 The idea of this in a meditative sense, in a rune pulling divinatory sense, in a application to life sense,

02:31:26.640 I have found this very, very useful as a rune of centering, of going back to a place of peace and of stillness and of quiet so you can listen.

02:31:40.580 And one of the.

02:31:49.380 Somebody in our chat says they appreciate the topical discussion, but they would be lying if they said their favorite part wasn't Matt's rants and stories about stuff.

02:31:59.760 So blame him for this.

02:32:04.920 And everybody's got a different thing with this.

02:32:07.660 if you were you know if you're a florida baby you probably got a different thing if you're

02:32:13.820 from the swamps if you're from everybody's got their own mental touchstones from childhood or

02:32:19.980 early in life that mine relate to the rooms really well because i was from alaska so like um

02:32:29.580 Um, geographically, it's at a similar elevation, but sitting in the, there's something about the

02:32:40.980 cold. The cold is still, and it's quiet. There's not bug noises. Like when you're out in the woods

02:32:49.420 in the South, it's beautiful when you don't think that it's bugs making the noise. If you don't

02:32:56.440 ask too many questions you just sit there and you hear all the noises of the night it's awesome

02:33:01.000 if you think that it's bugs it's gross but my point being if you sit in a place during

02:33:08.200 the winter especially in alaska as a kid it's just it's still the air is still there's something

02:33:17.320 about it it's not as thick you don't hear you hear the most minute things not a cacophony of

02:33:26.440 of extraneous noise. You have this sense of complete stillness. There's something about this,

02:33:34.360 and I think that you would have this any place that you go when there's not light pollution.

02:33:41.560 One of the coolest things when I was a kid was taking a snow machine out to the middle of

02:33:46.200 Harding Lake up by Fairbanks. You go out to the middle of the lake, say the middle,

02:33:51.800 We'll go up where our tip-ups are set for ice fishing, and you can just sit back and look up, and it'll be negative 60 out, and there's just ice crystals, your breath crystallizes, but you look up and you can see the galaxies.

02:34:10.680 You can see forever because there's no light. You're far enough away from civilization and everything is quiet.

02:34:18.840 Everything is still. Everything's at peace. Nothing's buzzing. Nothing's moving around.

02:34:26.400 It's a place of that calm and that peace that you can reflect from.

02:34:31.660 ideographically if you look at so many of our rooms certainly not everyone but many of them

02:34:39.520 we talked earlier about how a whole lot of runes you could break them down into bind

02:34:44.320 runes of different runes isa is kind of a base for that it's a starting point for a lot of

02:34:52.840 different runes but standing alone it's one of those ones that always

02:34:58.180 again, not always, but very often is included in any bind rune that a rune happens to be,

02:35:07.300 if you take my meaning. Like Laogus is Laogus, but fundamentally it's Isa with a line drawn from

02:35:13.980 it. Fehu is Isa with two lines coming out of it. Ansus is Isa with two lines coming out of it,

02:35:20.760 and possibly lagus with an extra line but isa is the starting point for a lot of our rooms

02:35:29.400 when i draw isa in a runic divination it always to me is a place of coming back to the center

02:35:40.360 of stillness of reflection of calm within the storm of calm through difficult circumstance

02:35:50.760 uh isa is a very special room to me personally

02:35:56.200 we'll go back to some questions but i won't go nearly that long before we go back and get uh

02:36:02.200 yara and yara does follow isa i know better than that but i allowed myself to be led astray that's

02:36:09.320 my fault um well and one thing that's worth noting is when you talk about the stillness

02:36:17.480 uh again with your correlation of understanding the cold in alaska and it might be not fully

02:36:24.680 aware of somebody say who's grown up in florida their entire life or something of that nature

02:36:29.320 one of the things about the rune poems that's worth noting especially amongst the icelandic

02:36:32.920 and norwegian there's the clear connection of the idea of the roof of the waves it's the the

02:36:38.760 water was seen as a mode of transportation it was a way to move and that when ice bridged that

02:36:46.360 that movement became different and it became more difficult and often and even in the anglo-saxon

02:36:50.840 again it it it lulls you into its shine it lulls you into its movement but again it's not trustworthy

02:36:59.480 but only sort of one of the other things that i think that's really important about it

02:37:04.600 it stops the movement of ships but it increases the movement of people

02:37:09.400 and to our ancestors in Germany and other places where they weren't just sea raiders you could pass

02:37:20.840 over rivers that you couldn't before you could traverse across you know small straits that you

02:37:27.480 couldn't previously it facilitates transport of people from one place to another when you couldn't

02:37:33.920 before it stops a chaotic situation and allows it to be passable it becomes a bridge

02:37:46.800 and that's kind of a special thing another thing just hearing you re-articulate

02:37:53.920 the ideas about frozen and things that are frozen one thing with stillness and freezing

02:38:01.200 and this kind of amazes me with fish there are fish that freeze and can freeze completely solid

02:38:10.860 and they go in a hibernation place all of the movement in their body stills

02:38:17.220 you thaw them out of a block of ice and then they come back to you know they seemingly come back to

02:38:24.360 life. Now, technically, they're not, you know, they have risen. Like, no, they're not undead.

02:38:31.660 But stillness slowed their life force that far down when they're frozen. You'll see people like

02:38:37.520 this in a frozen lake that'll, you know, technically die, but their body is so

02:38:43.500 slowed down that they can be revived. The idea of slowing everything down.

02:38:51.100 and for people that are overstimulated the world around us is a very overstimulating place

02:38:58.540 with screen time with our phones with all the different things around us and i'm not that guy

02:39:05.120 i'm on my phone 24 7 i'm i embrace the the overstimulation of life i have to to do this

02:39:14.160 as effectively as I want to. I have to use all those things available to me. But the relief

02:39:23.620 of coming back to that place of stillness where everything is just quiet and peaceful.

02:39:30.360 It's a really beautiful thing for me internally. And I don't know if that communicates well on

02:39:35.360 this podcast. You guys can be like, hey, this guy's crazy or whatever. It may have mean something 0.58

02:39:39.980 different to you. But to me, I need that break from the overstimulation of things. And it's

02:39:47.760 special to me in that sense. It brings me back to a central point to start out from.

02:39:53.120 Other thing I'd say meditatively, we build up resentments,

02:40:02.780 or we build up preconceptions. We build up things over time.

02:40:09.880 Stopping and coming back to center and starting fresh is really healthy because if we just keep

02:40:17.360 running, then we have this debt of resentment or grumpiness or whatever we take into the next

02:40:23.920 situation we deal with by coming back to the center, reestablishing a baseline and then moving

02:40:30.640 back out again we refresh our outlook on how we see things that's what i've got on isa

02:40:39.920 so back to our questions for a little bit here and again we won't go so long before

02:40:44.240 we get back to a year i promise have you ever had an incident with the wild hunt

02:40:52.800 how do you try to avoid it during the yule nights if you have to go out

02:41:00.640 a couple of well you know what it's fine you go ahead and take it first

02:41:08.260 okay well um so kind of how we talked about gleam on its its evolution from uh a wrestling

02:41:17.960 to a um a sport i think it's worth noting that the wild hunt is a culmination of a lot of cultural

02:41:26.480 intakes that have been added on over time. Whether we're talking about even from the

02:41:33.040 Gaulish people and from the Germanic people, and especially their culmination together

02:41:38.100 in Britannia, there's a lot of emphasis on the wild hunt pulling from both of those two families

02:41:46.420 of the Aryan branch. So a lot of what we see about the wild hunt is a culmination of those 0.88

02:41:52.420 things along with ancient traditions from central Germany. Uh, you don't see a lot of it in

02:41:59.300 reference, say amongst the Norse. Um, and there there's hints and definitely leanings, especially

02:42:07.180 in the name, like for Odin being your father. Um, and then, you know, the your father amongst

02:42:13.560 the Anglo-Saxons. Um, and I think that that does clearly correlate Odin to the wild hunt, but

02:42:21.660 I have always subsisted on the understanding of cycles and movements. And one of the big

02:42:30.860 things about the Wild Hunt is that it is a tidal movement. I spoke a lot about Freyfaxi,

02:42:37.180 and in which at Charming of the Plow, Lord Frey comes down and is ultimately

02:42:44.180 attaining union with Gerder. And then from that cycle, there is the separation of the two that

02:42:53.300 culminates at Freyfaxi. So there's this movement of the Lord of Light coming from Leosalfheim and

02:43:00.880 meeting with the shining earth and relinquishing the fruits of the soil and, you know, with the

02:43:08.100 Leoself are, you know, committing to the spurning of life through vegetation and animal procreation

02:43:17.000 and just all around the bursting of life.

02:43:19.920 And that cycle, for me, the wild hunt is very similar to that, but on the dark half of the year.

02:43:27.840 Um, the, the, the understanding of, um, you know, winter, like, or as winter is coming now with winter finding and winter nights, I've always taken that the, the ride of the wild hunt begins as a cycle in the descent of the year when the wind takes to, to light.

02:43:50.640 and it it ultimately culminates to the end of yule and which finally to rest is the the wild

02:43:58.160 hunt comes to an end specifically i'm referring to odin's day on on in the yule tradition the of

02:44:05.440 of having separate days dedicated to the gods i've always saw that as the end of the wild hunt when

02:44:13.600 uh odin returns back to ausgarth now this is a culmination again of other things as well

02:44:20.640 Now, in Saxo Grammaticus's retellings of when Odin leaves and Ullr takes the throne of heaven, I think what this is in reference to, of course, is that Odin leaves heaven in the form of the leader of the wild hunt.

02:44:38.620 that the wild hunt traverses the winds and that ultimately there's folklore there about the idea

02:44:44.820 that if you go out in the middle of the night in winter especially in the nordic places or in in

02:44:49.260 you know central and northern germany and you know in england and things like that the chances

02:44:54.760 of you dying in the winter you know being lost confused and ending up missing and then someone

02:45:01.600 finds you and it's like oh the wild hunt got him um there's a lot of these the culminations of

02:45:07.280 these traditions. Um, so that's part of it. And I see that in my mythic understanding of things

02:45:14.900 when my, when I observe it is that when Uller takes precedence now at winter finding, it starts

02:45:20.460 a cyclical wave that ultimately comes down to midwinter ending it. And then we enter the last,

02:45:27.740 the post midwinter in which everything is frozen and still the wind is gone. The ice is set and

02:45:34.880 we have to break out of the the cathartic winter um i've always seen it as with with winter finding

02:45:43.680 being dedicated to ullr it is the hunting season so his presiding over the throne isn't him taking

02:45:50.320 over the throne of odin or what have you it's that this is his time the hunt is important and this

02:45:57.200 has a lot of connections to ancient hunting traditions where it ultimately comes from

02:46:04.960 where the, the riding out of the, you know, the boar hunt during Yule, the, uh, the connections

02:46:10.440 between Fro-ing or Lord Frey and the boar, and also the hunt of the, of the, uh, the thanes as

02:46:16.660 they ride out to slay the boar, um, and ultimately just hunting in general throughout that season

02:46:23.300 from right after harvest to about Yule is where we have this kind of time of the wild hunt.

02:46:32.820 And the ultimate point of it is it's keeping those traditions of our hunting alive,

02:46:39.600 especially in the stories of, you know, the massive riders and the hounds and the baying of the souls

02:46:45.860 And Odin taking this form of the wind and, you know, darkness and cold and bitterness flowing through and whispering around is kind of indicative to the same as when the Thanes would ride out from the hall or ride out from the central place and go out and hunt and commit to hunt.

02:47:10.200 And even to the final hunt that is at Yule where the boar is brought in and the head is eaten over.

02:47:17.440 So a lot of this is like a layered combination of traditions that build around the folklore that from Winterfinding to Yule, there is Odin is riding in the wind.

02:47:29.340 Some people have said it's the Einherjar with him.

02:47:31.520 Some people have said that it's the forgotten souls or the ones who have died at crossroads or hanged men's souls or the forgotten ones are trailing behind Olin as he, you know, coalesces through the wilderness and the wild side.

02:47:47.480 And another big emphasis again is the township, the folk, the the the clan and where they live is or is is organized and it is it is safe and out in the edges is where chaos resides.

02:48:04.040 And this is what makes Odin fit that dynamic throne is his movement, his traversing, even on the edges of almost to the point of kind of being those elements of chaos in the in the outer edges.

02:48:17.480 So that's an extremely important point that our folk often miss.

02:48:27.360 And in the world that we live in, that we are surrounded by city 24-7 all day, every day, I get the spiritual benefit of going out into nature.

02:48:41.900 to our ancestors nature was a scary place nature is my church that's not real that's not what our

02:48:55.080 ancestors ever thought at all the first thing our gods did when they created the world

02:49:02.000 was to build high timbered halls and gold implements and things they built civilization

02:49:08.840 out of nature for them to hang out in the first thing they do when they come back after ragnarok

02:49:16.620 is re-erect those halls reset up those playing pieces reforge those things

02:49:24.620 nature out there's beneficial nature around the village that are your fields that are where you

02:49:34.160 go together, your mushrooms, your stuff, your forage. Big wide nature is scary. It's scary and

02:49:44.200 it's deadly. The open ocean is terrifying. The frozen wilderness when you don't know how to get

02:49:52.100 home to someplace that's warm is terrifying. We live in a day where you don't see that very often.

02:49:58.600 you don't encounter it very often but as i was mentioning earlier about the meat fire

02:50:05.320 any of jack london's books are terrifying and depressing because they're cold and they're

02:50:11.320 alone and they're freezing to death and it's misery you finding a place of sanctuary from that

02:50:19.880 that, our people were all about civilization, getting to it as fast as they can, and celebrating

02:50:29.840 the warmth and the kinship of being with people. Nature is scary. I mean, I like going out in the

02:50:42.120 woods. I like nature. I like doing all those things. Please don't get me wrong. But when we

02:50:47.440 obsess about nature is if we're a nature religion, we're not. We're a people religion.

02:50:54.160 Nature has its place, but we are civilizers. That's what we do. We conquer nature. We break

02:51:01.700 pieces of it and bend it to our will. That's what we do. That defines us.

02:51:09.520 Bodhi said over in the side chat, when I talked about all the cacophony of Southern

02:51:15.200 uh southern nights noises that that's the sound of life alas harry gothi it absolutely is it

02:51:22.860 absolutely is and in that sense it's beautiful it is terrifying when you go someplace that is

02:51:28.860 completely still every noise is something out to get you is a ghost a goblin a boogeyman that

02:51:38.700 the wild hunts after you there's something that goes on in your head when you're out in the

02:51:44.900 middle of of the night in the woods in midwinter especially in Alaska if you're out there like

02:51:52.900 for example I ran my cousin's trap line with him at

02:51:57.760 it was negative 65 degrees and we were in we were on a snow machine and we were

02:52:06.460 i don't know 10 miles out or so

02:52:11.500 all of the anything we'd catch in his traps they're frozen solid i mean we'd have to pry

02:52:20.560 open whatever and we'd get this rabbit that is hard as a hard as a board to take back from the

02:52:26.800 skin or otter or whatever he'd get and it occurred to me anything goes wrong with this snow machine

02:52:35.340 And we're about two hours away from being that rabbit.

02:52:48.340 It struck me.

02:52:49.980 So just as as an anecdote, I grew up in Anchorage and I said Anchorage is about the same latitude as.

02:53:00.340 Stockholm, roughly. So when I went over to Sweden, it was neat to see all of the trees and all the

02:53:09.420 vegetation was so very familiar to me because it's what I'm used to growing up. So Fairbanks,

02:53:15.900 where we did the hunting, the fishing, and the trapping was about 350 miles north.

02:53:23.940 It's still a lot of our people. That's territory that's covered in our sagas and in our stories.

02:53:29.740 that's not even up in sammy territory yet that's pretty cold um

02:53:37.660 you get out there and again everything is still and you can hear every sound

02:53:42.860 it's haunting to hear the sounds of barren trees creaking in the wind especially when there's a

02:53:50.620 wind going on you hear all the trees creaking and moaning and you hear all of these things

02:53:57.820 your mind plays tricks on unit spooky not only is it just a spooky atmosphere that gives birth to

02:54:04.300 really cool you know ways to idea idealize the things around you but it's literally deadly and

02:54:12.700 you're very close to that um one of the things that i've always said winter to me is the warmest

02:54:23.180 time of the year because i don't think about it in terms of outside i think about it in terms

02:54:28.940 of inside one of the coolest things about yule when i was growing up in alaska was

02:54:36.380 you come in the house all of your friends are gathered inside and there's a fire

02:54:41.740 roaring in the fireplace and it's warm and everybody's warm and happy and there's light

02:54:47.900 and there's all this yellow warm light around because it's not natural light

02:54:52.220 it's fire light it's light of lamps it's the celebration inside the hall of of people

02:55:00.940 and when you walk outside if you have to go outside to let the dog out or do whatever

02:55:05.500 you're doing you immediately notice the difference between where you just were

02:55:09.820 and where you are when you walk out and all of a sudden your nose hairs freeze

02:55:12.860 you're like okay i'm outside now that distance with the wild hunt and this goes way far beyond

02:55:20.960 the question no i've never had an issue with wild hunt or you know feeling like odin's riders were

02:55:26.500 going to snatch me up or you know do something bad to me if i didn't answer them right but it

02:55:32.680 was fun around yule we'd leave um carrots or apples out for slepner and for the horses on the

02:55:41.040 of the huntsman we'd leave those out by the mailbox or by the edge of the driveway

02:55:45.920 and that's kind of something we did but the the winter imagery is just really special to me because

02:55:53.680 there's things i wouldn't move back up there it's so isolated for everything else but growing up in

02:55:58.240 alaska really drew in a lot of the climate things that are related to our lord ingrained them in me

02:56:07.840 at an early age i i wanted to bring up uh an interesting uh event that happened um and there

02:56:15.760 were uh quite a few people there but one of one of note would certainly be um uh witten erickson

02:56:23.360 um at winter nights and again i've always held in in there might be different people that

02:56:30.160 conceptualize the idea of when the wild hunt is being run is it during just only yule i've always

02:56:34.960 had the uh belief that at winter finding is the start of the wild hunt and in the middle of yule

02:56:41.120 at the when olden takes the throne again uh is the end and uh one thing that's worth noting is

02:56:48.960 last year at winter nights um it was in the middle of the night and uh uh group of us uh men folk

02:56:57.840 were standing around the fire it was it was actually before the totality of the event was

02:57:02.080 even starting we were just kind of mingling and talking and speaking about lore over the fire and

02:57:08.560 you know asking each other questions and and conceptualizing things it was it was wonderful

02:57:13.840 all of a sudden we're in this uh this alleyway of trees if you will on a on a hillside and um

02:57:22.400 amongst the talking i i feel this huge gust of cold wind come down the alleyway of the trees

02:57:30.000 and at first i didn't think anything of it other than noting wow is just all of a sudden there's

02:57:34.400 a breeze it's a starry night everything is extremely clear it's a crisp the the barred

02:57:40.240 owls were you know um you know who cooks for you they're doing their little calls

02:57:45.760 and all of a sudden they stop and this cold wind comes through and uh everyone's still kind of

02:57:51.440 talking and i look up and i see this swath or blade of cloud that flows from the from the hillside

02:58:01.040 mountain down through the alleyway at a just ridiculously low level and it's kind of in a

02:58:09.120 chevron bladed shape and i was like gentlemen gentlemen please quiet for a moment and then

02:58:15.040 we all you know everybody kind of we all looked up and we just see this this cloud and i remember

02:58:20.080 I remember Winton Erickson had made a joke about how it almost looked like a wave from an explosion.

02:58:25.380 It was so distinct, so fast, and so swiftly moving and kind of ominous in the starry night that it was clearly abnormal.

02:58:36.520 And it looks like a shockwave from an explosion.

02:58:42.080 this blade of cloud comes by with this gust of wind over our heads and it just slowly moves and

02:58:51.200 curls away and i i was like everyone be quiet be quiet and i was like i think we just witnessed

02:58:58.200 the wild hunt and it was this kind of ominous moment of like we clearly kept quiet we clearly

02:59:06.840 watched. And it was that, again, that we were out in the wilds. We were out in the woods. We were

02:59:12.720 away from our homes and our hearths. We were, some of us were away from our families and, or, you

02:59:18.360 know, the people had clearly gone to bed and this shearing cloud and wind movement that goes over

02:59:25.520 our, our heads was so distinct. And then as fast as it came, it went away. And the, then the starry

02:59:35.520 night and then the owls and then the, the bugs of the woods started chirping again. And it was,

02:59:42.120 it was even at that moment that some people were like, yep, I'm going to bed. Like that's,

02:59:46.080 that's my sign for the night. We'll see you guys in the morning. Um, that was an interesting,

02:59:51.780 uh, you know, kind of what I would call it for me, it was very, very spiritual in an understanding

02:59:58.400 that we are in that timeframe, that descent into the dark tiding towards the midwinter

03:00:04.440 is not a safe time. And it wasn't a safe time for our ancestors to be out on the road alone.

03:00:11.020 So to answer that latter part of the question about, you know, what can I do to avoid?

03:00:15.800 I think that the biggest thing is to understand the value of order amongst your folk, amongst

03:00:23.840 your tribe, amongst your home, amongst your people in juxtaposition to the dynamic wildness

03:00:31.680 of the edge of things of the of the cold and bitter wind and the darkness of the winter tide

03:00:39.040 and it's also a time for us to look inwards to think about our ancestors and and and value that

03:00:45.760 and i think that's the keys to avoiding the wild hunt is about understanding that dynamic and not

03:00:54.400 you know not being a fool and going out in the middle of the night all alone you know in the

03:00:58.880 in the shadows of the night in the edges of the woods the places that are you know again uh filled 0.93

03:01:04.960 with goblins or thurser or you know the the edge walking chaotic elements is to take revelry in

03:01:12.480 the closeness of the hearth and your folk and your people in the order in which you have built

03:01:21.280 swan just reminded me of my favorite pat benatar song anyways

03:01:28.880 no it's a good song don't pretend it's not um that being said um one story that really comes

03:01:36.400 to mind that just brought this home to me a friend of mine also an outsider one of the guys

03:01:41.360 i originally was practicing australia with a man i am extremely proud of uh he is

03:01:49.600 set to be promoted as lieutenant colonel um he is a leader of men and a vastly accomplished guy

03:02:01.840 and when i talk to him i still treat him like a little brother because i grew up with him 0.99

03:02:06.640 and it's funny because i'll just give him stupid little brother crap and uh he's a 0.98

03:02:13.920 meddled like warrior leading of leading men he's awesome but he and i one time 0.99

03:02:21.600 on a whim decided to hike up wolverine peak outside of anchorage i don't know if anybody

03:02:27.040 knows about that listen to this but anchorage is hemmed in by water on all sides or a mountain

03:02:32.560 range behind us to the uh east the chugach mountains and the tallest peak in the chugach

03:02:40.560 range is wolverine peak and you go up there especially in the stillness of a cold winter night

03:02:47.680 you can see everything you can see the whole anchorage bowl and it's it's beautiful

03:02:55.520 but we did not decide to check the weather reports or anything else we just went up there with

03:03:01.360 some stuff to make a fire i think we had some cans of denty more beef stew

03:03:06.640 and i had a shotgun in case there were some bears and yeah we didn't have a lot of some sleeping

03:03:14.160 bags in a tent and we went up there and it got like blizzard conditions but we got above tree

03:03:22.240 line and we wanted to make it all the way to the top so we we pushed and it was i was blizzard you

03:03:29.520 couldn't see more than probably about 10 foot in front of you we knew the trail we'd been up there

03:03:36.400 before we walked all the way to the top it was amazing um then we came back down the slope to

03:03:42.800 where we were going to set camp to where we put our stuff put up tents the storm got crazy hurricane

03:03:51.280 force winds it was nuts we woke up shortly after we bedded down when we got down there i mean it

03:03:57.280 was a difficult difficult hike up there for us um we made it back to you know to the tree line so

03:04:04.720 we're still way out there but we made it back to just about tree line where we set camp we woke up

03:04:12.320 because the tent was smothering us because the wind had flexed it all the way over our faces

03:04:18.160 the wind had forced this tent completely flat to the ground over our bodies because it was going

03:04:24.720 that hard we did the best we could to when i say pack up our stuff we got out of there

03:04:31.920 so quick we threw as much of our stuff into our sleeping bags as we could

03:04:37.440 as soon as we got outside the wind was so bad we couldn't stand up straight

03:04:44.160 but we're low crawling dragging our sleeping bags with our stuff in it the tent immediately flies

03:04:50.480 into the ether somewhere it's still out there somewhere as far as i know

03:04:55.640 uh sorry dad borrowed my dad's tent that night i was not able to return it

03:05:02.560 um and then we made the hike all the way back down and this is before everybody had cell phones and

03:05:11.760 stuff and we are haggard and the wind is killing us and it's white out conditions you can't see

03:05:20.200 a few feet in front of you and we're low crawling for like a mile we finally make it down these

03:05:26.600 rich people kind of have some houses up high on the hill there we just go up and start knocking

03:05:31.000 on doors seeing who'll let us in make us some coffee and let me call my parents and get somebody

03:05:37.720 to come get us and it really illustrated that difference between the cold windy

03:05:44.120 our nature church and being able to go back home to somebody's house as a civilization

03:05:51.980 and not frozen on wet clothes and

03:05:56.640 it was cool and we read the next morning how a bunch of people had to get airlifted out of the

03:06:03.420 mountains and like all this calamity happened to other people we made it we made it to the top we

03:06:08.440 made it back down, it counts. But it illustrated a lot of these ideas really, really starkly in my

03:06:17.300 mind. It was a cool, I haven't thought about that in a long time. If I would have thought about it

03:06:23.060 and knew we were talking about it, I have a really cool picture and you guys wouldn't recognize me

03:06:26.280 back then. That's crazy. That is nuts. So from the Wolf Throne, Svahn, I remember you said on a

03:06:37.500 stream one time that you listened to Bathory. May I ask your favorite album? Fire and Ice.

03:06:46.020 No, I, uh, when I was younger and I was into, uh, um, you know, I listen, I, Nordic metal at the

03:06:54.500 time. And that was one of the ones that was really talking about the gods. And it was,

03:07:03.260 i remember so vividly of that time but yes that was um that time frame you know uh i'm trying to

03:07:12.620 think of some of the other bands that were kind of prevalent i remember like einherjar album but

03:07:17.720 i don't remember when it came out in relation i know bathory was it's very you know they were one

03:07:23.740 of the you know uh predominant early on and they they kind of shifted away from black metal uh in

03:07:31.540 relation to like you know scaring i you know nordic grandmas i guess you know with goats and

03:07:38.100 and and stuff like that to really just talking about glory and honor and and battle and the gods

03:07:45.220 and it was so like for my young i was just a young kid that was really really moved and had found

03:07:54.100 the that that my my ancestors and that the the gods of my people were they were real they were

03:08:05.300 part of me now and so like that was kind of like a celebration at that time that it seemed to be

03:08:10.260 for other people that this poetic kind of um inspiration to make music in relation to the

03:08:17.380 gods and this is like way before like uh you know tir and from the pharaoh islands and uh

03:08:23.300 and amanomaroth and all of them this was that was really i was you know 15 16 years old at the time

03:08:31.700 and that was just like i had a long hair big i had like a stovepipe beard it was it was a wild time

03:08:40.100 there you go um

03:08:48.100 so question from john h does odin try to call to certain folks by sending signs

03:08:55.940 or do you have to seek him out what say you spawner i think that uh it's worth noting

03:09:04.580 that uh both i think have validity in the result but at the same time there are clearly people who

03:09:14.840 have been contacted by ovin and again ovin is the dynamic throne of our folk and our people

03:09:22.300 the the movement that ovin has amongst our people is clearly seen we refer to him as the the lord

03:09:29.020 the consciousness the lord of the the divine breath he moves in the wilds he moves above he

03:09:34.860 moves within in in uh you know the godly death and then the re-emergence he travels to the lower

03:09:42.700 he travels to the edges he's all the ultimate dynamic mover of space time and all all of that so

03:09:53.340 the emphasis of odin's power as the dynamic lord is clear as day and i think that in in

03:10:01.820 that sense also bringing up what we said before i think before i had the power outage was up

03:10:07.340 that odin is staving off and that the return of of the folk back and realigning back with the gods

03:10:15.740 is what by my observations is what Odin is doing and so you know a lot of people talk about the 0.98

03:10:24.500 wind that blew through Yggdrasil with Ausitru kind of coming about but there's one thing for

03:10:30.260 sure I think that Odin contacted I was here ago the Stephen McNally and that set into motion

03:10:39.860 leading us directly to here so there is this initiation of the divine in relation to our

03:10:49.380 faith and to all you know to this to culminating with the temples with alzergo the matt favel to

03:10:56.920 the the even the podcast itself all of this is that initiation of rolling but also that i think

03:11:04.960 there are people that have sought out and in essence i think that perhaps they find wisdom

03:11:11.040 in relations to the way they need it or perhaps the inspiration to join in and build this

03:11:17.920 culmination of a realignment of our folk back to the gods but it's it's different when olden

03:11:26.880 uh inspires and interacts versus when we go to seek and i think that the valuable lessons that

03:11:33.520 we gain from the wisdom if oven bestows those upon us sometimes can be weighted and heavy

03:11:40.400 sometimes they're the mantle of that responsibility is not lost i think even even if he

03:11:48.320 blesses you with with wisdom that is also the caveat that comes with it is that there is a

03:11:53.920 great sense of responsibility that there is a balance between the elevation and exaltation of

03:11:59.600 the spirit with also the travesty of of loss or um being tested and um that that very dynamicism

03:12:13.440 is what creates movement forward and it all started with olvin billion bay slaying emir

03:12:19.680 that's that dynamic movement from above to below and the the piercing and the exhaustion or the

03:12:26.240 the exude uh exuding out of the the blood of emir that the reason why the norns came to heaven

03:12:33.680 all of that is in correlation even down to the microcosm of you know creating your runes and

03:12:39.120 breathing them and speaking the gold or you're reenacting the dynamicism of olden and so we all

03:12:47.040 in a way i think are kind of seeking that knowledge in a lot of ways i think oh then is

03:12:52.320 hugely a focal point for a lot of folk when they come into the religion um and then once stabilized

03:13:00.880 in the hierarchy and understanding we begin to understand the the a lot of the gods and how they

03:13:08.400 inter interweave and interact with each other how the how the pillars of of of the uh cosmos

03:13:15.040 versus the weave of the of the and uh it develops from there but you know i can't think of a lot of

03:13:26.160 people just namely two who i would say i clearly think odin reached out and touched them versus

03:13:33.520 those of us who have sought his wisdom and his understanding so but i see the result as similar

03:13:41.040 but uh you know different in the i guess in the ultimate how things play out and weird

03:13:49.520 so guys the next question that comes up was asked at 6 49 p.m pacific time so we are

03:14:03.200 over two hours from when somebody asked the question i understand that i appreciate you

03:14:08.080 guys bearing with us we're going to do one more question and then we will talk about yara and then

03:14:14.720 we will go back we will answer all of your questions i you are welcome to go back and

03:14:21.360 listen to them at a later time if you don't want to hang with us but victory never sleeps and we'll

03:14:26.240 we'll go we'll go to the wheels fall off um but on on the question that we're on right now

03:14:38.080 First, as a caveat, and I think it's important, I do not intend by anything I'm about to say

03:14:49.520 to diminish anybody else's spiritual experience.

03:14:55.460 I am not the All-Father's secretary. I have no idea who he contacts or who he does not.

03:15:02.820 I am not the arbiter of that. So if you have an experience and you feel like the All-Father

03:15:13.720 has spoken to you, I can't tell you he hasn't. What I am going to say is gentle.

03:15:21.940 Now, a couple of things.

03:15:27.760 I have always thought that it's a core in how I practice our faith is by learning from my experience as a person who deals with other people and then projecting that or elevating that towards the gods.

03:15:47.560 That said, we are in a really auspicious time to interact with the gods.

03:16:05.380 AFA as of today has, drum roll in your head if you want to.

03:16:17.560 Eight hundred seventy three people. That is a minute fraction of humanity.

03:16:28.020 That means that the great gods of our folk, and there's other people that practice a form of Alcetrum,

03:16:35.460 but there are relatively few of us and we are reaching out to gods that have been without active worship for a very long time.

03:16:47.560 everyone listening to this. I say that, but everyone listening to this channel

03:16:54.080 think we are. I'll give you another fact and figure here.

03:17:04.020 As of right now, we have 2,803 subscribers to this podcast on YouTube. That doesn't account

03:17:15.300 for the people who watch us on any of the other platforms or listen to us on spotify

03:17:25.380 seems like a lot of people for some of us who've come from very humble beginnings

03:17:29.380 but in the course of you know the seven billion people on earth right now it's pretty small

03:17:37.220 we proportionally can have a really big impact when we reach out to the gods

03:17:42.420 we also can take part in really big things in honoring and worshiping the gods

03:17:50.880 we are establishing hoffs to these gods that haven't had hoffs in thousands of years

03:18:00.160 that's special we can all be a part of that um that said

03:18:12.420 does Odin reach out to every individual person personally he's a God his powers are much greater

03:18:24.120 than ours maybe as the leader of 873 people could I tell you the name of everybody in the

03:18:35.100 true folk assembly no do i know everyone personally or have i reached out to everybody

03:18:44.140 no there's quite a few people i have there's quite a few people i know

03:18:51.020 but our ancestors knew this too it's very easy for people to get lost in the shuffle

03:18:58.700 why would odin reach out to you

03:19:00.460 you. Again, I don't limit the All-Father's ability to contact people. That's entirely

03:19:09.140 up to him. I would never presume to do that. But it tells me that he would reach out to

03:19:16.960 people that were most useful in things he wanted to see accomplished. Or he would reach

03:19:26.240 out to people that stood out because of their accomplishments or their fame

03:19:32.720 or if he noticed there were people that were in great need of him reaching out

03:19:37.360 he would reach out as a boon to them

03:19:43.200 so does odin reach out to people certainly like swan said i believe that he had a very particular

03:19:51.920 interaction and reaching out to the founder of our faith steve mcnalen

03:19:58.160 even steve's most ardent enemies acknowledge that that's true and that happened which is a

03:20:04.080 huge testament to to steve um we see in the lore odin appear to heroes and so i think that

03:20:21.920 To encourage interaction with the All-Father, or any of our gods for that matter, upping your reputation is a huge thing.

03:20:32.440 In our day, popularity has a bad reputation or a bad connotation when we speak of it.

03:20:42.580 But that's if your popularity is because you're a Kardashian.

03:20:45.500 If your popularity is based on you being a war hero, as would have been generations earlier, that's a good thing.

03:20:55.920 Your popularity used to be based on the tales of your deeds and the great things that you've done, not just your happenstance to do something on social media.

03:21:07.100 So raising your fame, I think, is a good way to draw the attention of the gods to you.

03:21:14.000 But also acts of worship, doing things and reaching out.

03:21:20.880 I tell you what, the members that I know in the AFA, either I've met them because I've gone to an event and they've talked to me or I've talked to them and I've shook their hand.

03:21:30.120 Or their name pops up because everybody's talking about this great guy somewhere and I need to get to know them.

03:21:38.520 Or they've reached out to me.

03:21:41.160 people have sent me emails and said hey you know i wanted to talk to you about this or hey you're

03:21:47.400 doing great or hey i like this video you did or hey i had a question about x y or z and then i

03:21:55.080 will know who that guy is so i think reaching out in prayer and in worship will help to facilitate

03:22:03.480 interaction with odin i think there are big things that he's done generally to bring our

03:22:09.560 folk home and in that way he's interacted but not necessarily a personal stamped invitation to each

03:22:15.720 of you but there's certainly people that have been that are important that he has reached out to

03:22:25.160 and i think it's far more often your job to reach out to him if you want interaction

03:22:32.760 and your expectation should be small and if the king of the gods acknowledges you in any way at

03:22:43.800 all that's huge that's amazing so be hopeful of that work towards that but don't don't have

03:22:54.720 expectation of that. I will always believe with all my heart that the All-Father put a hand on

03:23:03.660 my shoulder at Ostara of 2017. I believe in a lot of subtle ways that there is acknowledgement.

03:23:16.300 I believe I reach out to the All-Father. I believe that he blesses me in certain ways.

03:23:21.180 I certainly believe that he works through me in ritual because I'm the one conducting it

03:23:27.480 to distribute blessings to others. I hope that I make him proud. I can't tell you that I do or

03:23:35.500 that I don't, but I really hope I do. And I try to with all my heart. And any acknowledgement,

03:23:44.740 even if it's very small. It's the king of the gods of our race reaching out. That

03:23:51.760 means more than anything else you could imagine. So don't go in with expectation,

03:24:00.180 but do things to be worthy of Odin reaching out to you or of Odin responding to your reaching out

03:24:05.900 to him. Raise your worth and your value by being worthy. And I think that's what I would advise to

03:24:13.620 build a better relationship. That said, final question until we go to Yara from The Wolf Throne.

03:24:22.380 Question for both. I'm going to let you take a swing at this first, Svon. Okay. Thoughts on

03:24:29.040 The Ausitru Etta and The Odinist Etta by the Naranis Society. Also, Mark Puryear's book,

03:24:36.160 The Nature of Ausitru. Just got these books in the mail recently. Svon, what are your thoughts on

03:24:42.300 these books and their authorship. All right. So one thing I would state is I think that the

03:24:50.080 lexicon in the back of the Astro Aida is good. It is very, very well-written or thought out.

03:24:58.160 There are some things that I find, for instance, there's translations that I think are

03:25:05.880 misleading or or even not correct in in in relation to certain things but it is stated as

03:25:13.400 being just simply correct um and uh an example perhaps would be like in the in translation of

03:25:21.620 the word um the the people of the wolf um and that being relegated to heimdall uh and that was

03:25:29.480 just being laid out but uh you know i have a different belief in that that in relation to

03:25:35.000 how that's being worded, especially in the Grimnismal. There's some hypostasis too that's

03:25:42.720 going on that I don't particularly agree with, especially with the combination of Ostra,

03:25:49.880 the Lady of the Dawn, and Nott, the goddess of night, and one of the turning elements of the

03:25:56.920 middle world. So there's, there's little nuanced things there. I think that also the relegation

03:26:05.800 of Seder as being simply just an evil practice and that runic knowledge being given to us by 1.00

03:26:13.100 Heimdallr as being the elevated practice of, of that, which is right, I think is also kind of

03:26:20.620 not quite correct especially in relation to what we can see with runic usage and say that in you

03:26:29.060 know writings of the past uh the sagas and things like that um it is 100 i think good for learning

03:26:36.700 and understanding and kind of grasping some of the um uh aspects of names and the the names of

03:26:46.180 gods the names of places the names of of cosmology is very very thorough um however there are certain

03:26:53.300 things that i think i i take grievance with when it comes to like cosmological order um the the

03:26:59.860 idea of moving things are being moved in those books uh in relation to um uh you know the the

03:27:09.380 the Nornir and Mimir and Virgelmar, the wells are kind of relegated to the lower worlds. And I

03:27:17.400 think that doesn't equate to Aryan cosmological reasoning and the reasons why there is an upper 0.60

03:27:24.860 world, middle world, and lower world. But overall, I always take that knowledge is worth attaining

03:27:34.440 and reading and trying to understand those so there is much of that that i take but like

03:27:41.680 again um say for instance in certain translations of the rivers i have always um come with the

03:27:49.420 understanding that there are 11 rivers in heaven and there are 14 rivers in the middle world and

03:27:54.500 there are 11 rivers in the lower world and the 11 rivers in the lower world are gone over quite

03:28:01.320 extensively in those works but then the rivers of heaven are kind of glossed over as just being

03:28:07.100 sacred rivers it's it's like written right next to it a sacred river um and the the correlation

03:28:14.220 of that of those understandings of the 11 sacred rivers in heaven or either of all and its

03:28:19.120 encapsulation that that ausgard is not the entirety of heaven and our ancestors didn't

03:28:24.600 see it as the entirety of heaven that uh either of all and ausgard there is an encapsulated place

03:28:30.760 within the spans of heaven um is kind of not really uh tackled and then later on it's kind

03:28:38.840 of seen as no that ausgard is the entirety of heaven so i have cosmological um grievances

03:28:46.440 with some of that in those translations and understanding too that with the the sacred

03:28:51.000 rivers that are in heaven and thor crossing over two of them in particular that flow out of um

03:28:58.600 ausgarth um and uh the the doom of men and the uh witnessing of the fates of men and anointing them

03:29:07.800 or condemning them as opposed to perhaps having like a you know the gods descending into the

03:29:12.840 underworld and and having uh you know a moot over the soul um in representation to the uh

03:29:20.360 by the filk and things like that so these these little details i find uh are drastic in their

03:29:28.120 scope of changing things but at the same time much of it is is is an interpretation based off

03:29:34.760 of linguistics and again linguistics can be very very touchy especially if you say this word means

03:29:42.520 simply that a lot of people might not have the ability or the wherewithal to look into that or

03:29:48.920 perhaps even see a scope of an understanding outside of that you know um again if there's

03:29:53.720 no 11 rivers in heaven and the the culmination of heaven is just ausgard then having field

03:29:59.720 vittner or the children of the wolf or the people of the wolf waiting in the river around valhall

03:30:06.120 which is thund um it doesn't make a lot of sense and so there's the correlation oh well then

03:30:12.120 feel that must be heimdall and that's just that's that and i don't think that that's correct um

03:30:17.960 But, again, the linguistical connections and understandings of a lot of translations towards, especially the ones that are solid and undisputed, are clean, and they are worth noting and worth, you know, learning about and worth memorizing.

03:30:36.580 And then I would encourage people to look at other translations to kind of get ideas as to where these translations might be sought at.

03:30:47.760 But there's another point is that in our view of hard polytheism, the fragmentation of the earth in relation to Gerðr, in the relation to Gríðr, to Jörð and how out of Jörð is born Frigga.

03:31:07.540 And so there is this kind of a tendency to mash or to create hypostasis and to, again, kind of what we were talking about before, the emergence of all of this into one kind of feminine aspect.

03:31:24.140 I see that and I'm not, I'm not a huge proponent of that. I'm a hard polytheist. So when I, I honor Yordh or Frigga, you know, separate, but extensions of, or in the sense of like being born of not simply one is the other.

03:31:42.320 Um, and I think a lot of people are getting steered towards being very lenient in placing the gods in these kind of wrangled hypostasis, uh, disavowing Tyr as a god, but at the same time, you know, uh, stating that, you know, one goddess is another goddess just kind of crammed together.

03:32:07.780 uh it starts to get a little loose in there um i think ritualistically the formats are interesting

03:32:15.220 um there's uh the concept of the of the ritual grid and i'm familiar with this especially in

03:32:22.280 relation to runic magic done by an anglo-saxon uh rune master who uh proponent it in his book

03:32:29.360 called runebok um in which he used the nine grid in his uh runic practices and ritual magic

03:32:35.560 um and nigel panic as well has also kind of spearheaded some of that um movement but at the

03:32:44.320 same time like i think a lot of my daughter and i played tic-tac-toe the other morning

03:32:50.060 on the back of a menu at black bear diner yeah i mean well again and it's it's i think

03:32:59.300 in runebuck he was talking about classification of spaces to create order but the order and the

03:33:05.600 purpose was ultimately towards his magical practices um and i can understand the idea

03:33:11.720 of doing that for ritual in relation to like especially rune magic and things like that and

03:33:16.840 again nigel pennex books uh especially some of his older stuff from the early 80s went into a lot of

03:33:22.880 that, the, uh, the ordering of, of things. Um, but is it the total, like the totalness that it

03:33:32.920 seeks to be? I do not agree with that at all, that it is an, it is a way or an interpretation

03:33:39.260 of a way, but in its totalness of saying like everyone else is doing this wrong is kind of

03:33:45.380 where I get a little kind of thrown back by it because there's not a lot of movement towards

03:33:51.520 introspection it's because there's a need for classifying and anchoring things right now

03:33:59.700 that any sense of flexibility is seen as uh you know a way that's wrong or a way that is uh you

03:34:07.260 know not concreted in authenticity and that is not the case adaptability is the key to survival

03:34:14.440 And it is the key to, you know, emerging through the chaos is by formulating and adapting and moving forward.

03:34:23.600 And so those books, I have those books. I've been reading those books recently, along with some other books. And I think my biggest gripe is the cosmological movement and the usage of the Axis Mundi in understanding away from the Nordic of Yggdrasil and its descendancy from the upper realm down with roots, that that somehow negates the Axis Mundi if we think that way.

03:34:53.420 that's not the truth at all but when we have to formulate things down we're all well the roots

03:34:59.020 are going to be at the bottom so they have to be in the in the underworld and you know that

03:35:05.100 that that's moving away i think ultimately from the way our ancestors saw cosmological order

03:35:11.260 when they saw you know and made reference to the north and to the south and to the east and to the

03:35:15.820 west in the middle it was very specifically that the middle world the earth was encapsulated by

03:35:22.700 primordial cold primordial heat primordial resistance and primordial life from vanaheim

03:35:28.940 and so that's why midgarther is encapsulated and ausgarther is encapsulated in the whole of heaven

03:35:36.620 but not the entirety of heaven so we get into a lot of um i guess detail grinding in relation to

03:35:45.180 uh those works and and other works if you will or the way that i have always you know i was

03:35:53.580 taught and brought into understanding the way the gods and the the arian concepts of the cosmos and

03:36:00.860 why they are the way they are why they work the way they work why the wellsprings are placed where

03:36:05.500 they are and why there is movements going between the middle world and upper world the outer edges

03:36:11.260 in the inner the the upper and the lower there these are are all i think very indicative to

03:36:17.180 ancient arian mythos that also plays out in other um branches and so to go away from that

03:36:25.900 uh you know again the the striker uh entering into the underworld was another uh notable um

03:36:33.740 um difference that I I saw and kind of didn't quite you know in all air and branches the the

03:36:41.720 the catalystic striker the one who rides the edges never descends into the underworld and

03:36:46.760 this is taken even into place with like Heracles and his you know ultimate the final the end of it

03:36:53.000 is when he steps into the underworld there always seems to be this connection between the earth and

03:36:59.060 middle and the catalystic father of storms um not broaching into that under under realm but

03:37:07.920 olden dynamic does with good reason again he's the the all-father is the powerful nexus and

03:37:15.740 the one who placed the godhead of time mimir upon the well that draws in all time but again these

03:37:24.480 are you know my differences of interpretations to others and value is in is in reading and consuming

03:37:33.760 but ultimately reflecting and taking that information to further your your understanding

03:37:44.520 not to just wholeheartedly take it as gospel if you will

03:37:48.040 Svan is nicer than I am. So first, I'm sorry that you spent hard-earned money on those

03:38:03.240 those heretical tomes. That's unfortunate. Honestly, and this is, and I'm glad it came

03:38:15.000 up in this because it goes it goes to what we spoke about a little bit earlier about the way

03:38:22.560 information flows my biggest issue with the norena society mark purrier and those books

03:38:36.400 is they are not – I do not feel that piety is a factor in any element of any of those things.

03:38:53.900 When our gods are real, some people may think that they're not.

03:39:11.660 If you are people who think that our gods are not real, then interaction with them would make no sense.

03:39:20.860 The only way of making sense would be poring over what archaeological evidence or historical evidence you can find on how ancient Oogabooga people might have believed in silly, not real gods.

03:39:43.320 and to help the ooga booga silly not realness make more sense

03:39:50.160 it would make sense to consolidate the loose ends to make them all you know two or three different

03:39:59.100 gods and then to try to chronologically repurpose our lore and clean it up in a way that makes more

03:40:07.980 since because these primitives with the shoulder pelts didn't know what they were doing so let's

03:40:15.820 clean that up and make a new version of what we think that maybe our ancestors thought our gods

03:40:23.100 were so that we can have a pretend viking setting for our role-playing game or whatever

03:40:34.940 that's not religion that's not also true

03:40:40.240 if our gods are real which they are then the purpose of everything else

03:40:51.720 is to accurately convey the reality of our gods to those who are interested in growing to know them

03:41:01.680 and to tell their story in a way that brings our people to a better understanding or a better

03:41:09.300 relationship to our gods i don't see any of that in the books you mentioned i don't see anything

03:41:18.940 in those books that would lead a fair-minded person to believe that the author had a relationship

03:41:26.820 with the gods that he wrote these things about.

03:41:35.060 Many people could examine Judaism

03:41:40.160 and write books about Judaism. 0.95

03:41:48.740 The books they would write about Judaism

03:41:51.640 aren't the Torah or the Talmud.

03:41:54.840 their stuff scholars of Judaism wrote about their religion they're not things that pious

03:42:03.280 Jews and rabbis wrote about their faith in Yahweh um

03:42:09.240 what worries me with both the Astruetta and the Odinistetta and I'm not sure about the

03:42:17.380 other book because I have not read it I have to assume it goes along these similar lines

03:42:21.900 In I'm the biggest proponent there is, everything doesn't have to be regurgitated lore.

03:42:42.960 I'm fine with building new and modern practice based on sincere interaction with the gods.

03:42:51.900 But when I do that, I tell you I do that and I'm honest and I'm piously fearful of offending the gods, not because I'm scared they're going to, like, put some hoodoo on me.

03:43:10.320 I don't want to offend gods that I love and worship by saying something wrong or speaking with authority on something I don't know about.

03:43:21.900 Because disappointing our gods or offending them in some way would crush my soul.

03:43:32.520 That's not the attitude these books are written in.

03:43:37.620 So when things are presented as fact that aren't presented factually in the source material, it's very misleading.

03:43:50.180 it can draw people to very different conclusions that's not properly addressed in the writing as

03:43:59.700 far as i've seen there may be new additions with new footnotes that maybe make some of those points

03:44:04.660 i don't know um spawn is really good at breaking down the academics for you and the basis of theory

03:44:20.100 that he finds objection with those book. 1.00

03:44:24.060 I object to them because they are written by heretics

03:44:27.560 and they are tomes of heresy. 1.00

03:44:29.560 And it sounds funny to say it.

03:44:31.520 And even I chuckle when I do.

03:44:33.480 That's why I have a smile right now.

03:44:36.420 I chucked them in the fire

03:44:38.460 because they're disrespectful to our gods.

03:44:43.720 um we all end up our source lore can be very confusing understandably so

03:44:54.680 through fair-minded study and offering and prayer and other things

03:45:06.460 there are certain characters in our lore that overlap that's fair

03:45:12.180 but to treat our gods as if they are literary devices and not deities is sacrilegious at its core

03:45:23.980 i'm not a scholar of asitru i am a priest of asitru and those things are very very different

03:45:42.180 last year at winter nights and we're coming to the winter night season

03:45:46.460 so last year in winter nights and swan was there the afa winter nights we had an odin bloke

03:45:54.680 and then a gentleman who at the time this is no longer permissible by the way but at the time he

03:46:02.560 was a member of the norana society and a member of the astro focusing very nice he was very nice

03:46:09.460 very respectful to me if he's listening to this if i saw him again i'd give him a hug

03:46:16.820 but um he had this long talk with me just regurgitating these mark purrier like

03:46:27.640 aha well actually i've discovered this one rare account of and i said stop hold on

03:46:35.900 how are you going to tell me the AFA is doing it wrong you were just in this bloat

03:46:41.100 and do you feel that Odin received our gifts at this bloat and he's like yeah absolutely it was

03:46:51.140 amazing okay so if Odin was happy with how we did ritual do you think that we got blessings from

03:47:03.740 odin from from doing our odin bloat yeah of course it was it was crazy you could just feel the energy

03:47:10.460 it was it was amazing then how could you possibly okay and then i asked this too

03:47:19.020 have you ever been to a norena society bloat where you felt that same feeling well no

03:47:25.580 how could you possibly be arguing with me about how we're doing it wrong

03:47:36.100 if you just said the all father approves of how we're doing it and rewarded us with blessings

03:47:44.920 for doing it that way and the same thing didn't happen at norena society bloats

03:47:53.580 and it's as if that question did not matter that is the only thing that matters

03:48:02.960 the point of all the eddies and all the lord is to help us build a better relationship with our gods

03:48:11.840 if our gods approve of what we are doing and they smile upon us for doing so

03:48:21.540 Literally, nothing else matters.

03:48:28.000 Anything written about Ausatru that doesn't have that as a starting point only serves to pull us away from our faith and not to build on our faith.

03:48:40.860 That's maybe not the way that people want to hear the answer.

03:48:46.460 And so I defer to Svahn's much more point-by-point analysis of the core material.

03:48:56.760 But those fundamentals are what mean so very much to me.

03:49:03.080 And I don't know if they mean a lot to Svahn, too.

03:49:05.020 I don't mean to take away from that.

03:49:07.360 The way he approaches the question is a much more diplomatic way of approaching it.

03:49:11.380 But those of us that feel this with all our heart and that this is what we do with our life, it's a lot different than people who endlessly scholasticize instead of actually worship our gods.

03:49:35.220 And I don't feel the Norena Society worships our gods, and that makes all the difference that could possibly be.

03:49:47.160 With that Svan, if no one's ever heard of the rune Yera, can you please explain it to them?

03:49:55.140 And this, I'll make the note, it's the only rune that is not connected.

03:50:02.280 There's two pieces.

03:50:05.220 Yes. This is an interesting rune. First off, it is the Yir rune. The understanding of the word Yir, remember before when we were talking about in the earlier runic discussions about the reconstructed language of the names of the runes, pulling from the Goths, the Anglo-Saxons,

03:50:35.220 the norse the central germanics and the understanding of what all of that has in

03:50:41.060 correlation uh when we talk about the word era it is a reconstruction of the understanding of

03:50:48.900 what we would call it survives in our languages the word year but year could also have some other

03:50:55.460 meanings in relation especially in the nordic the the the name in the nordic futark the younger

03:51:01.940 food dark is our which means season as well and uh so a lot of times when we talk about

03:51:10.980 like one of the names of the of the the steeds the the vehicle of the sun is our varker year waker

03:51:19.300 or season waker or uh some have even you know taken it as the dawn waker but that i think is is

03:51:27.700 pulling it a little too far out the the word year and what it symbolizes is an understanding of time

03:51:35.460 development in a circle the understanding of polarities that pull if you notice in the symbol

03:51:42.020 one of the key things that i always like to point out is the way that we conceptualize the year

03:51:47.140 especially now and in modern house it's true is built around the two pinnacle or zenith points

03:51:53.460 which are midwinter and midsummer and that everything is about a movement between these two

03:52:00.660 polaric zeniths if you will and so the the i the idea of this the cycle having

03:52:08.340 our a perfect example again is that some people had brought up well actually

03:52:12.580 you know our ancestors celebrated the new year at at winter nights that is correct and fair and

03:52:20.020 i think worth noting but at the same time they also can counted the day at sunset because everyone

03:52:27.700 was awake and everyone was aware that this was the time in which the new day would start or the

03:52:33.380 new cycle would start and the dawn was seen more as like a midnight and or a midpoint in that cycle

03:52:41.780 now we we count the day at midnight and our understandings of of the the solstices and

03:52:48.020 those two pinnacle points i think is really important to understanding how this movement is

03:52:56.820 is being conducted and we see this kind of draw and pull these uh these two um has it always been

03:53:05.060 written this way i mean we we have seen many different forms i know the anglo-saxon they

03:53:10.180 They use a vertical with these two pieces brought together unilaterally.

03:53:17.800 And this symbolizes, again, the middle world, the cycle of the middle world.

03:53:22.140 And we see it also sometimes as they're slightly connected or they're creating kind of an encapsulation, but there's arms branching off to denote cyclical movement.

03:53:35.340 um this rune i think in the the epoch of the runic story that's going on is that with hail

03:53:44.900 with need and toil and binding with ice and the the recalibration now is the time in which

03:53:52.820 the setting of the of the of the overarching story is that the alignment has been recalibrated and

03:54:01.500 now the focus is now on the middle world and the the relationship of the descent of time from heaven

03:54:10.060 the play out of time or weird and all of that playing out in the middle world and how it flows

03:54:16.620 to the lower and then is drawn up the root again and so it creates that cycle and i think cycles

03:54:22.620 are very important to our ancestors and to us now um in understanding that there is a rise and a

03:54:28.300 fall and arise again that there is um again there's uh there's you know ascent descent and

03:54:36.140 ascension again um and this goes you know with with every cycle that we see whether it's you

03:54:42.940 know lord fray coming down during uh charming of the plow and then ascending back up but also in a

03:54:50.780 way descending in in life and in in uh virility in the middle world and then with the wild hunt

03:54:58.300 ascending now at winter finding and then descending in the middle of winter um and kind of dissipating

03:55:03.820 this is a rune that that always carries with it the concept of actions that are committed before

03:55:12.460 being utilized and the harvest of those actions being presented out and utilized again and so the

03:55:22.540 cycle becomes balanced so we have this build up all the way to this point in the runic epochs

03:55:31.120 and in the story of it where all of a sudden through the threshold of of hagalas there's this

03:55:37.480 torment this breaking down there's the toiling the re the the bringing in or the the power of it

03:55:44.760 coming down the realignment of of isa and now everything comes back into balance the the gods

03:55:51.960 the middle world the underworld all come into calibration again and now it's understood so

03:55:58.600 in a lot of ways i've always taken this as um it is the is mankind's understanding of the past and

03:56:08.120 the present culminating towards the future a balance between those things and that's kind of

03:56:13.400 what we've been talking about seeking that balance of understanding not totally uh reaching or or

03:56:20.360 replaying or reconstituting the past but taking the past and moving into an organic and living

03:56:27.800 present that will garnish fruit it's the it's the rune of harvest and it's the rune of cycles

03:56:34.520 it's um in divination when it comes up it often has correlations towards um uh things that have

03:56:41.560 been set into motion in the past are now coming into bearing or it is a message that now is the

03:56:47.560 time to begin planning for a future time it's a time to to uh organize and now that you are you're

03:56:55.800 aligned you're aware it is about setting your your pieces in motion it's about planting your seeds

03:57:02.040 it's about harvesting at the right time and understanding and coming into full consciousness

03:57:06.920 of all that is cyclical and in motion so i i always i often associate this rune to

03:57:14.120 hearkening back in the same power of of uh raido raido is that cyclical order and

03:57:21.240 And Yira is kind of like the fruits of that order and how after much self and inner reflection and realignment, there comes a time now it's like where the wisdom of learning has created an understanding of what's coming, how to avert the doom and how to garner the fruits of the struggle in life.

03:57:48.000 and era is as much a toil rune as as nalthese is but the difference is is that it's moving

03:57:54.640 it's not constraining and it ultimately beckons us to remember that that which we lay down now

03:58:02.240 is what we'll bear forth in the future so it has a a more um rounded and softer understanding of

03:58:10.960 hard work to bear fruit uh with a greater understanding of why to do that how to do that

03:58:20.560 absolutely and something random side note this rune is displayed as a mirror image to itself

03:58:30.960 often and i don't know the the fundamental correctness of it but very often you will see this

03:58:38.880 the two, you know, for lack of a better term, the greater than or less than

03:58:44.280 displayed as opposite to one another. I think it's also interesting to note that to our ancestors,

03:58:54.600 the cycle of the year wasn't as much four seasons as it is to us now. It was two seasons. It was

03:59:01.380 summer and winter. And with, you know, fall and spring being, you know, the waxing and waning of

03:59:10.280 those two bigger seasons. Nick, do we have room poems to throw up for this one?

03:59:20.120 Excellent. Ice is very cold. No, negative. That's Issa, flag on the play. All right. Plenty,

03:59:29.940 bone to men

03:59:31.560 and good summer

03:59:33.860 and thriving crops.

03:59:39.140 Plenty is a bone to men.

03:59:42.360 I say that

03:59:43.600 frothy was generous.

03:59:48.620 Summer

03:59:49.580 is a joy to men

03:59:51.140 when God, the holy

03:59:53.700 king of heaven, suffers the earth

03:59:55.780 to bring forth shining fruits

03:59:57.620 for rich and poor alike.

03:59:59.940 so

04:00:03.120 in those what I think is worth noting in all of those

04:00:10.880 though this is the year it's the year not in an objective sense it's in a very positive sense

04:00:21.360 it's the positive culmination of that year it's a successful year it's a year of plenty it's a

04:00:28.920 year of fruit. It's not a year of famine. It's not a year of desolation. This is the idealized

04:00:36.560 good year of your, your planting works. You're having a bountiful harvest. Your larders are

04:00:44.660 full through the winter. You're celebrating. The Anglo-Saxon is a little bit Jesus-y,

04:00:52.060 But if you apply it to religion generally, if you apply it to gods generally, the idea that whatever deity gives blessings, blesses rich and poor alike in the course of a good and healthy year, when the year is good and things are good, it affects all aspects of society.

04:01:19.280 Yes, the rich have an awesome year. They have a cool time with their regattas and whatever else rich people are doing, but poor people are also not struggling. They're having a good, you know, they've got fruit on the trees and fruit in the fields and, you know, rabbits are at a high cycle and so are deer.

04:01:41.960 and they when everything is working the way it should when right action plays out in the cycle

04:01:48.520 of the year rich and poor alike are benefited everybody benefits from that good year happening

04:01:57.160 it's nice that the norwegian mentions frodi providing bounty i think that's one of the few

04:02:05.400 kind of overtly religious references in the norwegian room poem

04:02:18.840 so much of our ritual cycle is focused on that abundant year the idea of

04:02:27.240 encapsulating and planning in those early winter months of the year

04:02:31.480 of charming the plow, of preparing for the work we're going to do,

04:02:36.900 then of breaking the soil, of planting the seed,

04:02:41.580 of putting our ideas into the ether,

04:02:47.500 of tilling them and working them with the abundance of summer,

04:02:51.280 of putting our energy into them, putting our hard work behind them,

04:02:55.480 of reaping those benefits in the fall,

04:02:58.360 and then of celebrating all that stored up glory that we've built throughout the year during yuletide

04:03:04.600 to start again it's not just to maintain and to get through this rune and the poems associated

04:03:11.800 with it tell us it's it's about um spiraling up it's about building upon previous harvest

04:03:22.040 it's cycle building upon cycle building upon cycle bringing us upward bringing us more bringing

04:03:27.640 us bounty um the goal i mean obviously you want to barely you want to scrape by but you want more

04:03:36.280 than that and this is that bountiful harvest so this is a rune we associate really often with our

04:03:43.000 harvest feasts with things around frayfaxi and uh winter finding winter nights um feasts of the iron

04:03:52.440 her yarn they all come in the fall where we celebrate the harvest um in america where we

04:03:58.940 celebrate thanksgiving the idea of giving thanks to the gods for the bounty of what we have

04:04:04.440 and that's really what this rune means this one and i've mentioned this before our runes are

04:04:13.860 optimistic there's runes that have negative associations with them or negative things to

04:04:22.960 consider about them but again we see this one and it's not this even balance of like sometimes the

04:04:30.540 year brings good fortune sometimes your babies die like that's not the rune poem the rune poem

04:04:36.240 is like hey this is great hey this brings bounty hey this brings you know good things

04:04:42.460 and so i think that's really important when i draw this in any kind of a rune pole or any kind

04:04:49.040 of divinatory thing it's it's positive um it may it may imply that there are seasons to things or

04:04:58.140 there are ups and downs but the the the um momentum is towards the positive and i think that's

04:05:07.020 I don't know. I think that's a worthwhile thing to consider on this one specifically and

04:05:13.720 important that that's in all three of the rune poems.

04:05:17.400 The, uh, when you mentioned Frovi, it's worth noting, uh, like I had mentioned earlier about

04:05:22.380 the tripartite in Uppsala, Adam of Bremen, uh, made note. He said the God, uh, the God of storms

04:05:31.480 and thor the god of fury and he he's he used the german uh kind of spelling he used it was like

04:05:40.800 a u and then a lowercase u d o n so instead of wooden it was wooden and then there was frothy

04:05:49.280 this is what he he referred to in relation to fraid the lord um and frothy is seems to be

04:05:56.480 deeply connected to Norway and Sweden's kind of linguistical titling for Lord Freyr in the sense

04:06:05.520 that fruitfulness, Froði, the fruitful kingdom, he was referred to as the Vrolða Goð, the god of the

04:06:13.800 world. And it was about the world of what you're doing. You're trying to harvest, you're trying to

04:06:20.640 make sure you have enough food. And with the bounty of food, with the bounty of crop, with the bounty

04:06:25.180 of animal, with the bounty of the forest, you could build ships, you could feed your people

04:06:31.820 and your children, you could feed and grow stronger. And so ultimately the core, I think,

04:06:38.620 of understanding about this rune is that the fruitfulness is bared once the cycle is

04:06:43.780 brought into play. I think one thing too, the divination sense, this rune has a lot of tendency

04:06:50.120 towards uh not being able to rush things a lot of times people when they ask the nornir and to seek

04:06:59.200 uh you know an understanding and they utilize the the runes as uh the you know the drawing up

04:07:05.320 they pull this rune one of the things i think this rune always kind of bears to mind is that

04:07:10.400 you can't rush the cycle that you have to um abide by the natural order of things as they go

04:07:18.880 the the natural law of things as they flow and so a lot of times when people ask questions they're

04:07:25.280 in deep need or deep understanding or they're motivated by time and elements and things they

04:07:30.320 want to know deeply and this room shows up and it's like whoa pump the brakes stop there are

04:07:36.320 things in motion right now that you have to let play out because you can't rush them they're

04:07:41.120 outside of your hands everything in the proper season and i think in a lot of ways that relates

04:07:47.520 to rhido that way the idea of right action at the right time um just uh saw some of the comments

04:07:55.680 in the chat as relates to our last question about the uh norena heretics so as this goes seriously

04:08:05.840 i get it um read whatever you'd like certainly everybody is has the autonomy to read what they

04:08:12.080 would like question was what we thought about it and that's what i wanted to put out there

04:08:16.880 um my bigger concerns are that deviation when he writes things in the eddas as if they are fact

04:08:30.720 they are per your theory that often deviates from the accepted theory and they're not footnoted as

04:08:39.120 such or at least in the edition that i had was not so it becomes very confusing one of the big

04:08:45.280 things that's a standout is purier's condemnation of female magic and of say their practice

04:08:55.120 he writes in there a lot of suppositions that are just ideas he has as opposed to being backed up

04:09:05.680 by our lore in a in an authentic way or in a way that logically makes sense so my concern isn't

04:09:13.920 that you don't see that you see his difference of opinion or his ritual practice i joked about

04:09:19.680 the tic-tac-toe thing but one of the things that was a big um norina society deal a while back

04:09:27.600 was they want to re-imagine how we should do ritual structure for a time they got angry that

04:09:37.280 or that's not fair for a time they took issue with the fact that we worshiped in a circular formation

04:09:43.920 Whereas they found some, you know, like one very obscure text that said that one group of people one time were in a square formation.

04:09:52.040 So everything the AFA has ever done is wrong.

04:09:54.460 We should all do it in a square now.

04:09:56.520 And then that evolved to this kind of waffle iron or a tic-tac-toe looking grid.

04:10:03.420 And that was kind of the joke that I was making.

04:10:08.780 Read that, but if there's any footnotes on it, make sure you check them.

04:10:13.920 Um, and you named a number of people that are like, well, I don't know any of these people,

04:10:23.020 but you know, I want to read all of their stuff.

04:10:24.980 The difference is I don't agree with everything Ron McVean thinks, but I believe that Ron

04:10:32.800 McVean believes sincerely in our gods.

04:10:36.360 So there's room for disagreement or there's room for discussion with that.

04:10:40.740 I can do that.

04:10:41.420 um steve mcdallin i know he believes in our gods so certainly that's a valuable source um edrid

04:10:51.680 thorson's been doing this for a long time he believes in the power of our gods he doesn't

04:10:57.480 always act in the way that i would like someone to but there's a there's a belief there in the

04:11:04.340 existence of our gods even if there's not a devotion in the way i'd like to see

04:11:08.400 mark it's scholasticism and scholasticism is really dangerous because it's about

04:11:19.280 obscure theory much much more than it's about practice of something and i would say that

04:11:28.180 mark has written about ostrich for a very long time whereas steve and ron and dr flowers

04:11:36.920 have practiced Ausatru or a form of related spirituality for, you know, 40 plus years each.

04:11:47.460 And that, it adds a different value to the material they write, I think.

04:11:54.300 All right, we've got a bunch of questions left. So I hope that you are, you are ready. We're four

04:11:59.700 hours in and I have no idea how much longer we've got. We've got a lot of good questions.

04:12:04.080 we're asking we're answering a question right now as i look at my clock saying 10 10 from 6 51 p.m

04:12:13.340 uh question what are your thoughts about converting to oust true in prison

04:12:20.380 Um, so prison has always proved a fertile ground for conversion to any faith or religious

04:12:41.220 system.

04:12:42.380 A fact of human existence is when you are at a low point, when you are in a desperate

04:12:49.780 spot, when you feel desperate need, you are much more open to humbling yourself before the gods

04:13:00.700 and reaching out. And so I think there's a lot of very authentic conversion styles true that

04:13:06.920 happen in prison. What else we see in prison, and this is across religions, this isn't just

04:13:12.040 house are true this is with you know if you find prison jesus if you find prison allah whatever you

04:13:19.400 find sometimes it's a very important part of your relationships and the persona you build for

04:13:28.520 yourself in an institution and then when you're out in the free world and all the options are

04:13:34.680 open up to you, very often people who no longer are in that desperate need cast it off and go

04:13:42.060 back to whatever they wanted to do. So I think there's a lot of people that find our faith in

04:13:47.880 prison that stick with it. And I think that's great. Unfortunately, like anything else,

04:13:53.520 I think there's a lot of people that when their situation changes and their options change,

04:14:00.460 their convictions and their faith changes.

04:14:05.360 But the only difference between converting to Austrian prison

04:14:11.480 or on the outside, I would say, is the nature of the need

04:14:17.640 and the dramatic changing of situation between being locked up

04:14:24.620 and being free.

04:14:26.120 And I think that's the course with any kind of prison conversion

04:14:29.740 to any faith what are your thoughts fun uh i mean i can kind of attest to that i i think too even

04:14:37.180 uh in the military uh you know being in boot camp and um you know especially in the marine corps

04:14:44.460 they they specifically sent you to church on sunday uh whether it was the catholic church

04:14:51.740 uh southern baptist church um i don't know if they do this now but it was pretty hardcore like you

04:14:57.500 unless uh and i i even remember my drill instructor saying you're either going to catholic church

04:15:04.300 baptist church or one of your other side weirdo religions like he just blatantly said it he was

04:15:11.620 he was mainly speaking of people who were mormon southern uh seventh day adventists um jewish

04:15:17.760 muslim uh buddhist or whatever i'm sure i mean i that was a different marine corps then i'm sure

04:15:25.000 they're a lot more tactical now but he was pretty brutal about it um but people found religion

04:15:31.720 or or at least an avenue of spiritual exploration in those hard times and then a lot of people that

04:15:39.240 got out they again like you said they kind of cast it away i think that one of the biggest

04:15:45.800 proponents of understanding that i think i was true needs to do for people in prison is to

04:15:51.480 lay about the groundwork of understanding that your your deeds and your the culmination of of

04:16:00.760 your again speaking like of these of the runes in essence the constrainment your deeds and and

04:16:07.400 ending up in a place in which you are constrained is inevitable in the cycle of releasing yourself

04:16:14.040 and building back towards nobility building back towards organization uh entering back into your

04:16:20.440 folk and and so finding the avenue of correlation not just between the individual and the gods or

04:16:29.800 ancestors but also to find your place within the community and that place comes about in

04:16:37.080 understanding that you shedding a lot of of what got you into this nexus point and then elevating

04:16:45.480 yourself out of it again moving from that moment and becoming focused on the deeds that you will

04:16:52.440 cultivate that will bring you fame the deeds that will that you cultivate to bring you nobility

04:16:57.560 that bring you honor uh whatever it might be um should be i think a primary focus for a lot of

04:17:04.680 folks if they are say you know and you know if depending on how long or to what degree and that

04:17:15.480 that varies for everyone but the idea again is is building that nobility and understanding your

04:17:22.520 interconnectedness to your folk and what the good of the folk is what that's about how do you attain

04:17:29.160 that by making yourself correct in your actions by aligning yourselves to the holy tides to the

04:17:37.400 gods to your ancestors creates that equilibrium that you can start building and bearing better

04:17:42.680 fruit from and that should i i would hope be laid out before you to proceed after you leave

04:17:51.400 to start your life to begin again to cultivate that that equilibrium and bear forth good fruits

04:17:59.920 and to teach your folk about your um any the wisdoms that you learn from both misgivings and

04:18:09.060 from ascending out of it again um because again encapsulation like that is you know in that sense

04:18:15.960 it's punishment and whether you know and there's a lot of reasonings behind it all the end of it

04:18:22.560 it's about ascending out of that constraint or out of that ice into the cyclical form back into

04:18:30.420 the equilibrium back into the the wholeness of your folk and the gods and your ancestors and

04:18:35.940 what you're going to do with that and how you can carry forth that wisdom to bear good fruits and

04:18:42.680 teach other folk about what you've learned and but ultimately at the same time to move beyond it

04:18:50.120 and to to uh open up to the the futures of what you can do now now that you have this you've

04:18:58.680 taken your time you've learned about the gods about honor about attaining that that um

04:19:05.320 um that sense of self and now it must substantiate not just the individual but extend out into your

04:19:16.300 family into your folk and into the the the entirety of uh the gods and yourself and everyone

04:19:25.120 else around it so it's it's it's strange because a lot of uh people in that predicament are very

04:19:30.900 centered on their own understanding of the gods and they're reading they read diligently there's a

04:19:37.540 lot of uh study and practice and all of that but when they come out it has to break the barrier of

04:19:46.820 the self and start to enter into um an interconnectivity that's no longer there

04:19:54.260 you know when you're in a in a situation like that the the binding of of yourself and seeing

04:19:59.460 yourself through that time uh needs to let way to what you can do with the interconnectedness

04:20:06.580 of your community all right

04:20:14.500 so question based on what spawn said about different ways of taking symbol

04:20:24.260 where do they draw the line on what is correct and what is disrespectful

04:20:29.460 Taking into account that, for example, King Halkin was forced by his people to at least put his lips in the sauce where the sacred meat was cooked.

04:20:43.760 So, and I'll let Svon elaborate on this deeper, but that was for a very specific purpose.

04:20:57.280 And here's the thing.

04:21:00.620 You can legislate yourself into corners by just making lots of rules about everything all the time.

04:21:10.620 Rules are not as good as principles. 0.87

04:21:14.100 The principle was, if you're a Christian, you're not going to partake of a sacrificial feast to pagan gods. 0.65

04:21:22.240 Doing so violates your Christianity and is against your faith. 0.69

04:21:31.920 If the reason you weren't going to drink at a sample was because you're secretly a Muslim or a Mormon or a religious sect that doesn't drink, and we were trying to determine whether you are or you aren't, 0.94

04:21:47.560 then sure if we all felt you're lying to us and we have a reason to believe that you're 0.70

04:21:55.140 like a secret mormon at our ritual we might say hey first round ensemble i want you to take a sip

04:22:02.760 let's see um but that's all about context if we're all on the up and up and i have no reason

04:22:10.440 to think that you're you know posing as something else then if you don't happen to get a pork chop

04:22:18.520 when we're all going to do stuff it's not because aha he's jewish i'm just gonna assume you weren't 0.90

04:22:25.000 hungry um and in the context is key to everything one thing that having a lot of thou shalt thou 0.60

04:22:36.280 shall not is comforting in a way because it tells you very clearly where the lines are

04:22:42.600 and it doesn't force you necessarily to have to critically think as often

04:22:49.720 also true is not nearly that easy the circumstance matters on everything

04:22:55.720 a bloater assemble today could be very different from one to tomorrow if the situation radically

04:23:02.200 changes. That is a strength of Alcetru, I believe, rather than a weakness. As society evolves and

04:23:11.580 things come up and stuff happens, Argo, Thar, and myself, we can be quick on our feet to change what

04:23:18.600 the rules are, you know, for this, that, and the other, depending upon the changing circumstance. 0.96

04:23:25.520 But it's also difficult because our people really like to have a list of black and a list

04:23:32.140 of white so they can feel very secure in it and it's not quite that simple it's harder than all

04:23:40.060 that swan what do you have on that well i really like the fact i mean again yeah principle versus

04:23:45.520 um edict if you will and again context is really important in that situation you're

04:23:52.080 you're talking about at the time when um you know how con is um coming into power

04:24:01.080 there's a shifting of cultural things going on at that time. The foreign religion, where do you

04:24:08.540 stand? Do you stand with your people? Do you stand in relation to whatever connected kingdoms

04:24:13.680 south or in England or what have you? There was a lot going on. And so a gesture towards accepting

04:24:21.420 that. And again, it was very fluid in relation to a lot of that, but it was about the context

04:24:30.200 of principle but you kind of answered your question in your question one thing worth

04:24:35.800 noting is like you said drinking from the the the meat from the sacred cauldron um

04:24:42.680 very common now if you were to go to a assemble in modern ausitut there will not be a sacral um

04:24:49.880 butchering of an animal placed within a cauldron now there might be somebody out there that goes

04:24:55.400 well damn it it's not a real symbol if there's not a cauldron filled with meat

04:24:59.560 and and again we get into that whole argument again but it is worth contextually knowing that 0.97

04:25:07.240 there was a sacred cauldron filled with the meat of a a animal that was given over and bloat

04:25:13.800 to the people there was not a sacral cauldron at say the symbol in beowulf but there was also like

04:25:21.720 there was no women allowed at the that symbol either so the context of that situation is

04:25:28.600 different than the one that you know that that haukon was at so we know that even at the general

04:25:37.880 you know windows of those times there was great changes between uh another perfect example is the

04:25:43.960 the the significance of the bragaful the bragaful in amongst the the the norse was

04:25:51.720 extremely high but again a lot of people can't quite figure out if it's the last horn that was

04:25:57.000 drunk or if it was actually the the container in which the mead was brought out to refill the horns

04:26:04.040 or refill the bowls because a lot of symbols back then were not done with a horn being passed but

04:26:10.040 might have been drunk from a mead bowl or an ale bowl and that there might have been multiples that

04:26:16.440 they that the uh the high table or the the folk uh presiding over the feast might be drinking from a

04:26:22.440 bowl but there's other people drinking from the bowls and they were standing up and giving toast

04:26:27.480 but modern house is true in the way that we do our symbols there's a horn and that horn is passed

04:26:32.680 so really it comes down to understanding context of modern symbol and that's i think ultimately

04:26:41.320 where your question is seeking is to understand, well, what can I do that would cause grievance in

04:26:47.420 say a modern symbol? And, and we kind of go over that before symbol, you know, when we do talk

04:26:53.240 about the gods of our folk, we don't, we don't invite chaos. We don't invite death. That's

04:26:59.360 pretty clear at our symbols that we bring up. We talk about the gods of our folk and not other gods

04:27:05.180 or other faiths or religions and things of that nature. So it's fun. I think this might be a good

04:27:10.020 time um for those of you who've never been to an afa symbol this is what i say before every single

04:27:20.900 afa sample first if i have the presence of mind which i seldom do i often do this at the time

04:27:32.900 when i'm filling the horns i will say if anyone has oaths please speak to i'll usually pick

04:27:41.300 somebody other than myself if it's a small event and i'm the one presiding i'll say me

04:27:47.300 but split okay for example if everybody i want if everybody in the afa were president of some

04:27:53.460 please speak with law speaker allen about any oaths that you plan to make

04:27:58.900 um please clear those with him and have and he'll let me know if they're acceptable or not

04:28:03.860 if you have not cleared your oath with alan please do not make it during our sumble

04:28:10.420 all right so we're about to sit down to a three round

04:28:13.620 sumble the astro folk assembly when we do high sumble it's in three rounds first round is to the

04:28:20.660 gods um we don't raise a horn to the forces of chaos these are are raised to the icier to the

04:28:32.820 gods of order that's who we worship we are also true we are loyal to the icier also please

04:28:40.420 remember white man gods to which i get laughter and whatever and it's a funny line and i say

04:28:47.220 no wait i'm not just saying this to be funny i wouldn't say it if i didn't have to if i hadn't

04:28:51.700 learned in the past that it needs to be said white man gods only please all right round two is for

04:28:58.500 our ancestors please keep this to ancestors that have passed beyond the veil if you have other

04:29:06.980 members of your family that uh that you want to honor that's a really good thing to do in round

04:29:12.420 three but in round two please keep this to only those ancestors who have passed also we're not

04:29:18.820 going to get out skull calipers i don't know what everybody's got going on in their family tree but

04:29:24.100 please ancestors that look like the rest of us to which i also get a bunch of laughs and i say

04:29:30.180 i wouldn't say this if i didn't learn in the past it needed to be said all right round three the

04:29:37.460 around to the heroes this is often around where people may take an oath may boast or they'll

04:29:44.100 recite a poem or sing a song this is a good time to honor your other family that hasn't passed

04:29:52.180 again if you have friends you want to honor that's great please make sure those friends

04:29:56.260 look like the rest of us and then i go into symbol that's typically what i say about

04:30:02.500 symbol if i'm going to host it whenever i do some i didn't mean to distract your train of thought

04:30:10.340 but i thought there may be a lot of people listening that have never been to one

04:30:14.900 and maybe that i guess another note on an afa symbol at high symbol we pass the horn from us

04:30:26.820 to one of our horn bearers which is you know usually the women in rank who are there it'll 0.86

04:30:34.740 usually it'll be witten callahan if she's there if not it'll be one of our githias if they are there 0.97

04:30:41.860 and they'll figure out the you know it's usually three different women for the three different 0.94

04:30:46.740 rounds and so they will have it they will pass it to a uh you know the person who's speaking

04:30:55.300 that person passes it back to them then they proceed to the next person so it goes from

04:31:01.700 woman's hands to whoever speaking back to the woman's hands then to whoever's speaking to the

04:31:07.700 point where it's kind of awkward and silly they come at the very end they'll hand me the horn

04:31:13.220 i will hand it back to them and then they speak whatever they're going to say over the horn

04:31:17.860 Nick mentioned a Thula that position is an enforcer over the horn and it's really

04:31:31.840 important in an AFA symbol I try to assign that to someone so it's not them choosing to be the 0.77

04:31:38.080 bad guy it's literally I put it on their shoulders and I'm watching them to make sure they do their

04:31:43.060 So it's not their fault. It's their duty to speak up if somebody says something bad over the horn.

04:31:50.200 Now, a couple of things with that. If you violate any of the things that I mentioned beforehand, yes, to stop it and knock it off.

04:31:59.940 If you're drunk and ought not be speaking over the horn, you know, they don't just snatch you up and chuck you out back.

04:32:08.580 they take you aside and say hey seems like you've had a little bit much we're gonna ask you to go

04:32:14.260 sit over here you know have somebody take you home or whatever um if somebody starts to make

04:32:22.180 an oath and alan's told me nobody's cleared oaths with them hey now hold up and then they stop it

04:32:29.300 and and redirect that if somebody maybe is getting too um too loose with their talk maybe they're

04:32:38.020 they're cursing or they're getting a little bit crass with a joke they're making again this is

04:32:42.580 lighthearted it's fun but it's also very respectful and so sometimes people may go a little bit

04:32:48.020 overboard that also the the thula would you know reel them back in if somebody were to say something

04:32:57.140 completely outlandish then yeah they would stop they would toss it out we'd refill the horn we'd

04:33:02.900 eject that person from Sumble and deal with that later. But yeah, that's their job. It's a job that

04:33:09.400 I put on them. So it's not, it's not their fault if they irritate you. It's ultimately my fault if

04:33:16.700 they have to do something to you because you did something wrong. Because it's really easy to,

04:33:22.660 especially in this day and age when we're not used to it, to take issue with a person who would have

04:33:26.640 the audacity to question you're doing something but in our uh our hall culture that's a time

04:33:35.340 honored and a sacred job that's their thing is to challenge oaths and boasts um if you read beowulf

04:33:42.720 you know they get pretty spicy with it if somebody's like hey i'm gonna do this that or

04:33:48.160 the other like oh yeah well what about when you did this well what about this right i don't think

04:33:54.060 you are what happens if you don't that usually doesn't happen in an afa symbol again we're not

04:34:01.760 in a ancient danish meat hall we're in a 2023 poff or wherever we're at but the position is

04:34:11.500 still there and it's very important i didn't mean to sidetrack you if you can pick back up where you

04:34:15.880 left off please do if not we can move on i just thought it was useful at that time to kind of

04:34:21.260 bring that up well and you said hall culture and again that that is um the the idea that it's not

04:34:28.300 always mentioned that there's a thuller at say uh at halkan's uh feast because again symbol in in

04:34:36.220 old norse means feast or festivity um but it's clearly present in beowulf and that takes place

04:34:43.740 in denmark so there there's this understanding that again whole culture at that time especially

04:34:50.060 with the warriors the things uh gathering in in the hall with with the lord and again a boast is

04:34:57.980 actually in that story was very interesting is it's not an oath that gets tested it's a boast

04:35:03.020 in which they will makes his boast and he gets contested with it because the origins of that

04:35:08.860 boast according to the you know there's a rumor that that wasn't the case and then there's like

04:35:13.660 there's a a flighting back and forth between them um no here's the thing if you were to do that

04:35:21.340 reputation i've talked about how important reputation is and i've mentioned it's funny how

04:35:28.700 it's weird literally how these things connect i just had this conversation with people

04:35:35.500 sometimes when you get in a peer group or you guys sit around start telling war stories about whatever

04:35:43.660 i found this when i was bouncing and it was really cool when i was bouncing i had like a team of 13

04:35:48.700 guys and there's all this stuff and at the end of the night everybody's telling their stories

04:35:53.500 over the course of years i'd watch and there'd be these rookie guys they would tell these stories

04:35:58.540 about what stuff they did and i'm like no stop that was me hold up i was there you were telling

04:36:04.540 my story but they heard it so many times that they just internalized it that was a thing in

04:36:12.460 our ancestors time when we knew the engagement of battles we knew who was in the front rank

04:36:19.260 we knew who slew so and so or who was the hero of this engagement who was the hero of this battle

04:36:26.140 who we know who did some of these deeds and if someone would step up and take credit for something

04:36:31.980 that they didn't do that would get challenged because what we do over the horn and this is

04:36:37.580 another important thing it's fun i am stepping all over your answer to this question i apologize

04:36:44.140 but these are things that occur to me for a long time spawn and i have talked about this we still

04:36:48.700 need to do it but we wanted to do a how-to of like here's an example of what an afa bloat looks like

04:36:55.100 here's an example of what an afa symbol looks like for those of you who may not have experienced

04:37:00.220 to announce a true sambal um the whole concept of the sambal ritual is that the horn that we are

04:37:11.720 all sharing from represents the well that the the tree yggdrasil is is fed from so if we put in good

04:37:23.740 words and we speak of good deeds and we're honest over the horn then our tree our world is made

04:37:33.500 stronger our reality is made stronger and better if we poison that well by speaking lies by making

04:37:43.660 oaths that we don't fulfill then it's an exponential poison when we do something

04:37:49.900 ritually it becomes more than the sum of its parts when we all share of our accomplishments

04:37:56.220 something magical happens to where it is worth more when done ritually together but the same

04:38:03.980 it cuts both ways if somebody's in there lying or you know being a dirt bag and saying something's

04:38:09.980 not true that spoils it for everyone so we guard that well so that we are feeding the tree of our

04:38:19.100 existence of our communal existence as a folk as a as a people together as an afa family 0.94

04:38:26.540 with poison and so we try to stop that and that's why it's really important

04:38:31.340 to have alan talk to you about your oaths for example i had a guy come up to me at uh

04:38:38.700 sumble at baldershoff for free fax and we didn't have alan there i figured like hey cool come talk

04:38:47.100 to me if you're going to make an oath he came to me and he had a great oath it was very well

04:38:52.300 intentioned but it wasn't well thought out it was about eagerness like hey i've oath to do

04:38:58.220 everything i can for x and i'm like hold up now everything you can what if that meant this what

04:39:05.100 if it meant oh wow maybe i didn't think this all the way through no that's cool so think about what

04:39:12.220 you would oath that you are willing to give or willing to do and come back to me so it's really

04:39:17.980 important it's not always because somebody is malicious but it's important not just that we're

04:39:24.060 we're not but that we think out what we say and what we commit to over the horn

04:39:29.660 um so yeah if you guys haven't been to assemble

04:39:33.740 a bloat connects us with our gods and our gift cycle but a sample connects us to each other in

04:39:43.960 a really special way and you see everyone sharing really personal things about themselves and their

04:39:50.840 family and it ties us together as a group in a really touching way if you've been to one

04:39:56.780 I will always remember

04:40:06.460 I say that I remember the incident

04:40:12.660 but I can't think of guy's name

04:40:14.260 your kinsman who

04:40:16.820 passed out face down in the

04:40:18.840 mashed potatoes because he partied too

04:40:20.840 much

04:40:21.260 so swan's son sent a really cool sample notes that i will always remember because of this

04:40:33.260 it was just really neat and i remember it to this day and it was like i don't know 2016 or something

04:40:38.620 it was something he was told but was not the truth but he being a young young boy took it for

04:40:46.860 truth uh yeah in relation to uh my grandfather but that was not the case

04:40:55.740 but he took it for truth and he he's he spoke of it and it it got a bunch of chuckles and and

04:41:03.740 laughs but that's because it was kind of like in the sense of uh you know when you you tell a child

04:41:11.000 you know don't do this because you end up getting your face stuck or something of that it was

04:41:14.660 it was in lines with that that you know you're gonna it's it's so sumble is so beautiful because

04:41:20.540 you get that when kids do sumble toast most often i haven't seen this a lot you know every now and

04:41:27.420 again kids will do something silly or or disrespectful to get attention but in sumble

04:41:35.060 more often i've seen kids give some really touching sumble toasts that are just

04:41:40.560 simple, but really from the heart and really moving. And it's one of the times I get to see

04:41:49.520 our children participate in a really special way.

04:41:54.420 Yeah, that was him giving honor to my grandfather. But then he side noted and said,

04:42:00.300 even though he, you know, died with the mashed potatoes in his face, and that was like

04:42:06.220 something that he took in relation to not eating over you know playing around at the table or

04:42:12.600 I can't remember exactly how it came about but it was a tail end of that that he had just assumed

04:42:18.600 that it was it was real and it was not and he kind of threw it at the end even though he was

04:42:23.780 giving honor and I was like oh no no it's it's life lessons but it you know the these uh these

04:42:33.360 positions and understanding that when you take to symbol a lot of people will say like for instance

04:42:38.800 that symbols were always done kind of in the hall so uh it's not a real symbol if you do it outside

04:42:44.640 or if you do it in a place that has just a roof but no walls i've heard people argue that before

04:42:50.640 and um it kills me but the the real point of it is is that all the folk are sitting around

04:42:57.120 uh unilaterally to each other and there's an ascendancy towards the gods a divine aspect

04:43:03.360 and then there is the the the ascendancy and descendancy where we talk about those of the past

04:43:10.240 or those that have fallen or those that have gone beyond the veil so we first speak of the gods then

04:43:16.000 we speak of those that come before us and then we and the last round is about all of us and that

04:43:22.000 that involves boasting so ourselves um giving thanks or gifts to those present or oaths that

04:43:30.240 bind us so it goes upper lower and back to middle again making the full cycle

04:43:36.000 of thing if we're sitting around in sambal doing sambal i've been in a sambal of over a hundred

04:43:43.840 people and it's daunting i don't wish to necessarily it is a good problem to have but

04:43:53.440 But if we're sitting there doing sample with a hundred people, honoring our gods and honoring our heroes and our families, and you're sitting in mom's basement with a mouthful of pizza roll, giving us a hard time, I think you should rethink that.

04:44:16.780 Everybody's going to have a different rule in their samples.

04:44:20.680 The AFA, we have a way that we do it.

04:44:22.800 i know that you know the ozman used to be really big on like you can't eat at sumble

04:44:30.160 i'll tell you what those guys never sat in a hundred man sumble either you sit there for

04:44:35.360 that long you get hungry but different symbols in different people's houses different people's

04:44:42.400 halls different people's hoffs if they had them may look different the important point is we're

04:44:49.280 getting out there doing it um it is so easy to hold each other down by being critical of

04:44:58.960 things that are of very limited importance that it's very easy to to miss the forest for the trees

04:45:08.320 in a perfect symbol in the anglo-saxon sense is it supposed to be in a hall or

04:45:14.160 if it's outside does it dude there's 75 people around a campfire right now raising a horn to odin

04:45:22.080 and crying about one of their grandmothers with a particularly touching story that's beautiful

04:45:30.560 everything else matters so much less yeah and i i think that uh for people that have never been

04:45:37.760 if you go to a house or you go to a kindred you know you're going to be informed you're you can

04:45:43.840 always ask it's never seen as an insult um sometimes too you know if you have children

04:45:50.800 and the children have to go to bed and things there's no fault in saying no i can't participate

04:45:55.120 in stumble because my children might cause a disruption along the way of it so i will leave

04:46:01.600 now before stumble starts and i bid everybody adieu and you know have a great night and you know

04:46:07.040 and i'll see you guys in the morning that that kind of happens and so you have these kind of

04:46:12.160 positionings you have usually the head of the symbol the one that initiates the rounds you have

04:46:18.400 the horn bearers which are the women women carry the horn in in our symbols as a sign of respect

04:46:26.080 frid and um honor both on them and on you so speaking ill over the horn kind of disrespects

04:46:34.960 the horn bearer as well and so they're kind of a gentle reminder to speak wise words and they

04:46:40.800 say that before they give you the horn um and refocus and calibrate you because as you hear the

04:46:46.480 stories you know whether it's we're talking about the gods and the glories of the gods and the way

04:46:50.960 that they've affected our lives then the horn bearer comes to you and says you know i give you

04:46:54.960 the power of the gods it's a recalibration of understanding that you're not going to just start

04:46:59.120 talking about something else um then you know the law speaker or the thuller the thuller means the

04:47:06.960 wise man and it can oftentimes like in a high symbol like that if everybody's present uh

04:47:12.640 witten turnage as the law speaker is usually the thuller but um oftentimes it's a person

04:47:18.480 designated as a way of not being offended if somebody calls you out and says hey you know

04:47:24.720 you're getting too deep in or let's wrap you know there's other people there's another

04:47:29.360 50 people after you that have got to go so uh or or whatever it's not the host that's doing it it's

04:47:36.160 the thuler and to listen to the thuler is always seen as if you if you listen to the thuler you

04:47:44.080 can recover from whatever wrong you've done if you've overspoken or you said you know a

04:47:49.920 a curse word or whatever and that and the thuler says hey hey hey over the horn these are sacred

04:47:53.680 words let's let's keep it reverent and pious and you say i understand i'm sorry that's it

04:48:00.880 it that's done uh if you know if you go against that then it builds more and more there um i've

04:48:06.480 never been to assemble where there was ever a situation where somebody kind of way overstepped

04:48:10.960 their bounds or was maybe expelled from assemble or something of that nature but

04:48:15.360 But, yeah.

04:48:18.760 No, I was going to, I've been to ones where drunks were asked to leave.

04:48:24.440 And I don't, sometimes I think we all find ourselves past a point where we thought we'd get, sometimes when I was younger, my tolerance is really high.

04:48:39.100 So to keep up with everybody, I'd slam Everclear at parties or whatever else to keep up with whatever they were doing.

04:48:45.860 And by the time I got where everybody else was, it was about a half an hour before I was just gone because it was already in the system.

04:48:55.400 I didn't know it. Everybody messes up on where their limits are at. Things happen.

04:49:00.200 I have seen people that have had too much and we've all been there in some way or another. 0.66

04:49:04.320 and to where people have asked them to leave or where, you know, the thuler has walked them out

04:49:10.100 and said, hey, you're staying out here. Here's some water. We'll come get you after the thing.

04:49:15.740 And so far, that's been received very well the times that I've seen it happen.

04:49:22.680 But I will say this. It's really important if you're hosting a sample,

04:49:28.020 tell everyone beforehand what the rules are. Even if you think everyone knows,

04:49:32.820 I have learned from experience that they don't.

04:49:37.680 The funny laugh lines that come in my speech beforehand,

04:49:43.760 it's because I learned the hard way and with great embarrassment.

04:49:48.820 Common sense is not as common as you think it is.

04:49:53.180 So setting those rules before everybody starts is a good way for everybody

04:49:57.320 and it saves everyone embarrassment.

04:49:58.920 yeah i think just to answer that question kind of re bringing it back to that is that you know

04:50:06.540 if you kind of go against those rules that in our whole culture today is uh uh can can be seen as

04:50:14.080 you know a faux pas bearing towards an offense as long as it's taken back down or recalibrated

04:50:20.900 and understood oh you know and it's met with civility and nobility about it then there there

04:50:27.200 can be an even an overstepping that can be brought back um sometimes you know the there are people

04:50:34.200 that will talk while someone else is talking and holding the horn and that's kind of seen sometimes

04:50:39.360 as an offense and you're not even talking it's just that you're carrying on a conversation with

04:50:43.220 someone next to you uh without a sense of urgency or importance and that can be kind of disrespectful

04:50:49.060 because everyone's having their moment to speak about the gods or speak about their ancestors or

04:50:54.440 speak about those that are present uh or or you know a boast or an oath that they want to state

04:51:01.320 and it's just disrespectful um you end up going through this again like with i'm bringing your

04:51:07.960 back in on this one is that it is a cycle it is that starting in the center starting in the middle

04:51:13.000 ascendancy up talking about the gods then descending down and talking about the veil

04:51:17.080 and those who pass beyond it our origins where we come from the people that we we hold great

04:51:21.960 importance of who came before us and then bringing it back to the middle where you share accolades

04:51:28.520 of either praise gift boast oath or sometimes uh even the creative third round is where sometimes

04:51:38.120 music is even played or uh accolades of something that was created i uh you know or someone would

04:51:45.240 recite a poem maybe even a poem that they didn't write they'll they openly admit that i just

04:51:49.560 memorize this poem because it means so much but i want to recite it and it's kind of a chance for

04:51:54.520 people to get a break from the there's a lot of emotional pull there's again the ascendancy towards

04:52:00.440 the gods is usually elevated and happy and then the descendancy towards those who came before us

04:52:06.440 is usually sad and or oftentimes just memories and sharing in the you know the laments of those

04:52:12.200 that we've lost and then it brings it back to the center and there's sometimes there's jovialness

04:52:16.600 and there's joking but when you go to assemble some places might not let you drink while you

04:52:21.800 know the only thing alcohol that's being drunk is from the horn and that might be because of reasons

04:52:26.600 that happened before you were even there somebody got too deep in the horns and said something out

04:52:31.880 sometimes there's food eaten and uh you know they don't there's no problem with you drinking

04:52:38.280 like having a beer and eating your food while stumble is going on it just depends on the

04:52:44.600 uh situation how many people there are if you're assembled with 150 people

04:52:49.080 maybe having the ability to drink and eat is perfectly acceptable but if there's like five

04:52:53.720 or six people and this is focused and very very straightforward maybe there is no drinking and

04:52:59.480 there is no eating it's you pay attention to the person with the horn because there's six of you

04:53:04.040 and you're but you're building that cycle with each other by the end of it the intention is to

04:53:09.800 weave a tighter closer knit um uh relationship with each other and that often involves you know

04:53:19.880 listening to people's stories about their ancestors about the gods that they

04:53:24.760 they hold in high regard or have been blessed by or or what have you so you know taking respect

04:53:31.160 during symbol is is the first step towards not breaking any cultural hall etiquette

04:53:39.800 all right so the next question question for Svan you specifically is it true that Tyr was once the

04:53:51.800 high God of Germanic society or is this a rumor due to his name having the same Proto-Indo-European

04:53:59.000 root as Zeus and Jupiter I would say that this is more along the lines of rumor again um when we

04:54:08.660 talk about the word uh or uh davos or davas or any of that the correlation clearly amongst the

04:54:19.700 like with uh deus or devas amongst the the uh hindus it's always in correlation to a shining

04:54:28.100 one but devas could mean gods in general and so the words of both house and uh tear or uh

04:54:37.700 both correlate to a god a divine being um tier in and of himself we know in the old one of the

04:54:46.500 oldest testaments is tacitus in which he says the germans hold stately sacrifice to um uh aries and

04:54:57.460 to um uh hercules and you know it's most people are are automatically correlating this to tier and

04:55:07.140 to um thor but hold in highest regard mercury and i think that tacitus was kind of noting this

04:55:15.460 because the romans had a tendency to do that was to correlate their religion to others and that

04:55:20.740 the germanic folk he was kind of like isn't that kind of interesting they they hold with with such

04:55:26.740 high regard to to the you know lord of of of language or runes and uh speech and poetry and

04:55:34.820 And, you know, and he correlates this and we take that as to being woven in direct correlation to Mercury.

04:55:42.340 But his assertions of that aren't necessarily, I would say, even correct.

04:55:49.180 It's just, again, it's his kind of interpretation of another branch of Arian's religion.

04:55:55.260 um but it's worth noting again that a lot of people when they hear uh when you you think of

04:56:03.960 the word deus devas uh you know any sort of derivative of the of the name being godly

04:56:13.000 uh can apply to multiple it can apply to a singular and not always is it the case 0.81

04:56:18.960 necessarily that uh like amongst some of the slobs the the davos is so static that all of the gods

04:56:27.400 that descend from in their branch underneath it are the ones that are moving dynamically you know

04:56:35.180 there's fighting there's there's uh stories but but all the while the deus is kind of above and

04:56:41.740 out of um and i think that tears share some of that in the sense of his staticness

04:56:48.940 but again i'm speaking of the three thrones we see dynamic throne with ovin as the most important

04:56:56.620 and the stasis throne the the uh ability to hold position is not as high in our cultural sense

04:57:04.460 even now today in also true so you know that respects tier follows in much of all the arian

04:57:13.340 traditions of the god that is brought to a position of non-movement because of a sacrifice

04:57:23.260 a sacrifice that is not gained for knowledge but a sacrifice that's to stave off there's the the

04:57:30.300 loss of the sword hand and the idea of tier being brought outside of his ability

04:57:39.020 in uh you know the the the symbology of losing the sword and to stave off chaos is in an essence kind

04:57:47.020 of a bringing to stasis um but i've heard people say oh no you know tier can't be uh a sky god in

04:57:56.860 any respects because there's no you know correlation to him but clearly in the rune poems that and we'll

04:58:01.900 we'll cover with um later on tier is clearly referenced to the north star um and i don't

04:58:09.980 think that that's just happenstance um but understanding the germanic tripartite i think

04:58:19.500 is more important understanding that oven is the dynamic lord the old father head of the gods he's

04:58:26.860 the one that moves in and out. Whereas in another branch of, of, uh, Arian faith, his throne might

04:58:37.960 be different in a cultural sense. And you can see this in every branch, whether again, like I said,

04:58:44.980 it's Tyrannus. Tyrannus was, uh, you know, so far as we know, amongst the Gauls, one of the highest

04:58:51.660 of the tripartite. And he's the striker, the bearer of the wheel, the bearer of the club.

04:58:58.780 Whereas, you know, Teratatus is seen as the static throne adjudicator and Esus is seen as the healer

04:59:07.100 and so, or of magic, we see that tripartite again being played out. The Hellenics, you know,

04:59:13.460 they even numbered theirs, you know, Deus Pater or Zeus, you know, having the singular scepter or

04:59:20.780 singular lightning bolt um and uh poseidon having the trident and a lot of people forget that

04:59:28.700 amongst for them the god of death adeos or adios or hadios plutonius had a biden so it's literally

04:59:36.460 one two and three of course the greeks had to use straight out numbers to hit their tripartite

04:59:42.460 is always kind of fun to me and and like oh well done but um again if you're trying to correlate

04:59:52.300 that tear was once the head of the gods and that oh then you served him i've heard this argument

04:59:58.940 that odin was really a human and a wizard that took over you know the the pantheon of that's

05:00:05.900 you know with all of our knowledge of understanding of central germanic belief knowing that the gods

05:00:13.500 uh that they honored most likely were woven us tewas and thuneras um you can see that their

05:00:21.260 tripartite is kind of already built with woe than us being at the head of that at the time

05:00:25.900 um but i think it changes depending on which arian branch you're talking about in those thrones

05:00:31.740 it's i think more important to understand not or not understand it's more important not to

05:00:38.140 relegate here as just being not a god i think there are certain people who are doing that and

05:00:43.420 that is not correct and not right not pious um that it's just a name or a title that can be

05:00:49.820 given to any god whether it's heimdall or loki or what have you there's just a lot of confusion

05:00:56.140 in the nordic branch about tir in one hand he's mentioned as being the son of a jotun the other

05:01:03.020 hand he's mentioned as being the son of odin and so i think that shows confusion um i and it's worth

05:01:10.620 noting like did the germanics that tacitus ran into did they believe the gods as being the sons

05:01:17.420 of or the fathers of or did they see the gods as singular and you know unilateral or was there

05:01:25.580 hierarchy built on a different concept because tacitus doesn't go into it and so or we see

05:01:31.660 again in upsala thor is at the center and then there's odin and frey or frodi at that time

05:01:39.340 they're tripartite or maybe it could have been seasonal as to the reason why thor was in the

05:01:43.580 center of that and so i think there's a lot more fluidity in understanding the thrones of power

05:01:50.540 and the way the ends uh the arian branches deal with their interactions with the very real gods

05:01:58.860 and that's where i think people get caught up and again you know the stories that we when we talk

05:02:04.460 about the adas or we talk about even the hellenic gods the philosophes were destroying the hellenic

05:02:10.220 religion wholesale towards uh the turning and the rising of their time when the philosophes

05:02:17.900 were kind of pondering things they were trying to get rid of a lot of the religiosity of the

05:02:24.060 hellenic people and so the stories were often relegated to dramas and some of them were raunchy

05:02:30.380 and were uh you know again exonerated by the actors who were acting these out to you know

05:02:37.580 bear forth um a good story or a moral story and so a lot of the religiosity of the hellenics

05:02:44.140 got misconstrued by the hellenics and in the later you know dates of the classical periods

05:02:50.440 where the philistos were changing things or they were they were discussing about perhaps the oneness

05:02:55.660 of all the gods or things of that nature it's happened the same with us in the adas i you know

05:03:01.700 a lot of people will say snorri you know was misaligned or he changed things and to a degree

05:03:09.120 i would i would agree on certain things absolutely i can see where maybe he made them more like

05:03:15.120 hellenic gods with the intent of showing the verses of the nordic people to be in comparison

05:03:22.400 with homeric epics and and things of that and then of course there are christian elements as

05:03:27.840 well that he was no doubtedly influenced by from his own upbringing but when you read the stories

05:03:35.440 a lot of these uh kind of arian myth truths and arcs still remain whether it's king nawada losing

05:03:43.920 his arm or tear losing his hand there's again the the idea of the uh the war the drayton the warlord

05:03:51.840 or the chieftain that somehow is no longer in a position of governance or in a position of

05:03:57.920 dynamicism now he's brought into a position of stasis because he's no longer whole that is an

05:04:04.080 Arian truth across, across many branches, or the fact that it was Tyr that, you know, bound the

05:04:10.920 wolf. Um, it, it somehow most people think, well, okay, if Odin didn't bind the wolf and if Odin

05:04:19.400 didn't bring runes to mankind, then that makes Odin less then. And that's, I think, a big thing

05:04:25.200 that people are constantly trying to force the gods into things. Why cannot Heimdall bring forth

05:04:32.320 the runes uh just as much when we look in the hellenics and we see prometheus you know there

05:04:38.720 is the the the uh the the psychopomp between the gods and man um and and that illumination that is

05:04:45.520 brought with it um you know and the binding of the wolf does not constitute some sort of lessening

05:04:52.560 elsewhere you know perhaps tear bound his hand to the wolf in order to not hinder

05:04:58.480 odin and and he took that sacrifice upon himself but uh i think a lot of people get caught up in

05:05:06.900 the in the details and the minutia of that and i think it's worth better knowing and interacting

05:05:11.700 with the with tir and with odin and with thor and all the gods in understanding their their throne

05:05:18.080 and how they interact with us culturally uh and what they mean i think that a lot of people are

05:05:25.900 becoming very irreverent towards tir and uh i don't think that's good and i think that's um

05:05:32.540 you know they're uh mixing things around or the story of harbar there and harbar there is an

05:05:38.060 oven it's loki that that's when you start getting into some crazy stuff where it's like ah you guys

05:05:44.780 are really just taking some wide angles on on the stories of the gods but if you look at the thrones

05:05:52.940 and you see for instance in the slavic um stories svarag is static velez and perun they fight each

05:06:01.500 other and the story of hard brother and thor is very reminiscent of that same relationship

05:06:08.780 and perhaps there is a overarching aryan uh story or moral to that in the idea of of the dynamic

05:06:18.860 versus the catalystic and once you start looking at it in that way takes on a very interesting tone

05:06:24.940 and i don't think it detracts from any of the gods and i think that's the big thing is try not to

05:06:31.260 force or jam or take away from any of the gods hold them in high regard and see them

05:06:38.140 in the fulfillment of their of the true divine positions

05:06:42.300 speaking of lord tier our next question matt do you know what states will be in the tiershoff

05:06:51.820 district to be decided but as it is right now

05:07:04.780 if i had to draw that map right this second tennessee kentucky

05:07:09.980 Kentucky, Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas, and Oklahoma.

05:07:21.360 That's what I would say as of right this second. Some of that is subject to change.

05:07:27.100 A lot of those are kind of far flung. Again, I would really like to see Braggieshoff

05:07:33.360 help us with stuff in the middle in the middle south there it would be nice to get

05:07:41.660 new mexico texas oklahoma arizona kind of in one area um right now they're separated

05:07:56.280 drastically from each of the hoffs that they get put in that hoff district and uh like to see like

05:08:03.960 to see that get um get changed in the future i know a lot of folks are getting tired we are

05:08:14.060 five hours in but that's okay because victory never sleeps and neither do we um folks can

05:08:21.680 always listen to this on the broadcast later or if we stay up long enough our international

05:08:26.440 membership can start rolling in if they would like to the next question from three and a half hours

05:08:37.080 ago mary asks are you as you just said our gods created our world how does one explain deserts

05:08:48.280 this is from way back when swan um dropped the call for a few minutes

05:08:54.440 but yeah swan if our gods created the world how do you explain deserts

05:09:00.760 well remember the middle world is a culmination of interactions there is

05:09:07.480 nivolheim muspelheim bonaheim jotunheim i think it's worth understanding that in the center

05:09:15.080 all of these forces are coalescing together that the the the overall understanding of the middle

05:09:25.080 world is again one that you could scientifically understand or mythically understand and oftentimes

05:09:30.880 they're not against each other uh just because there's mythos does not mean that there's anti

05:09:37.100 science or uh you know again it's like what i was saying before if you honor tier that doesn't make

05:09:42.860 oh then less or if you honor heimdall it doesn't make oh then less a lot of people have this kind

05:09:47.680 of scale system when you talk about the middle world first and foremost we're you know the

05:09:55.840 middle world is the physical world and it's bound by natural law and natural law is in

05:10:00.720 escapable cycles whether it's life death uh birth procreation we talk about in a biological sense

05:10:09.440 When we talk about, for instance, you specifically said desert, so now we're talking about the land. We see those forces, the forces that supersede into the center. Whether we talk about physical forces of nature, chaos, the tearing apart of order, the breaking apart of the center line.

05:10:34.640 As we see the shifting of environmental forces in the middle world as being a battle between the gods of order and the forces of resistance or chaos, Jotunheim is that. It exudes that and is constantly there. Thor is there to keep that in balance.

05:10:54.940 There's all, again, I made mention right before I got dropped off the call because of the internet and the idea that the stuff of creation, the body of Ymir that has been ordered and shaped is huge forces in which the gods in their power have the ability to kind of be wardened over.

05:11:24.620 or to place within or interact with through the well they place themselves into the middle world

05:11:33.580 through the well the jotuns kind of do the same thing with their flow or usurpation or breaking

05:11:39.580 of the barrier and then they have to be beaten back again that balance has to be made and it

05:11:44.780 could be said like well it's a it's a jotun that has broken the reins and it's thor that beats him

05:11:50.540 back or we could say again that there's these forces of resistance and the forces of or force

05:11:56.380 of order and equilibrium that are contested and they're brought back into a unilateral sense where

05:12:03.900 we're not you know our our environment is not so inhospitable that that uh the folk can't live in

05:12:10.620 it but these forces are playing out with each other all over again the aspects of the earth when

05:12:17.500 you know i think a lot of people just want like an earth mommy but that's not

05:12:21.020 the way our ancestors saw that is you know yours was the giving earth uh but grither is the you

05:12:28.540 know the violent earth and gather is the fruitful you know earth of of giving so they these goddesses

05:12:36.620 have warden over those those aspects of all that is playing out in the physical and in the in the

05:12:42.380 reality of time and material um and that's how their powers do interact here so when you have

05:12:49.740 that there is you know a takeaway there is a push forward there is abundance of life and there is

05:12:57.020 depletion of life there cannot be anything that's just unilaterally one way across all things it's

05:13:03.500 not the way natural law works so as these forces interact in the material in time and in the place

05:13:10.860 that is the center we have this push this pull this about this growing out or a recession in

05:13:17.980 there's the drying out and the over i guess hydration if you will um i don't want to make

05:13:24.140 it so simple but at the same time that's what it is is this the way we see things and why it's so

05:13:30.220 important that the middle world is in the center of that encapsulation that jotunheim isn't

05:13:36.700 somewhere else or somewhere off in the lower and and out and no those forces are interacting in

05:13:42.620 the middle um there's a reason why it was placed that way and while why the garter is always kind

05:13:49.260 of being influenced um you know when we talk about whether it's uh like when fenris is bound

05:13:57.900 and his he's taken to jotunheim and then his his slobber or his the spittle of his of his uh

05:14:06.460 veminance leaks out of his mouth and bleeds into the water and bleeds in that is clearly

05:14:15.100 like mythos language of the idea of the influence of fenris's malice and chaos kind of seeping into

05:14:20.940 the middle world um and so even though he's bound he's not gone or you know and i often say you know

05:14:27.180 like what happens in the halls of the gods so does happens in in the hearts of men i'm referring to

05:14:32.540 to the binding of Fenris and his, now that he's in Jotunheim, he's in a position in which there

05:14:38.060 is a resistance flux that's coming in from there. But it's not all negative. Vanaheim and the bounty

05:14:45.440 of life that comes from Vanaheim, the cycle of life and death, the mystery of the shadowy water

05:14:51.500 and the dark earth that both gives and also swallows up, the Vanir and Vanaheim is clearly

05:15:00.500 influxing in there and then there is of course uh when we talk about muspelheim and niflheim as

05:15:06.180 cosmic heat and proto matter of the universe the the fact that heat and cold do not change it's

05:15:14.180 just whether we're talking macro or micro the idea of both the polaric forces of

05:15:20.260 condensement and matter versus expansion and heat and dissipation all of these things are being

05:15:26.580 played out in the material in the center and that's why we have you know uh a plethora of of

05:15:36.660 existences and the way things work because nature the gods all things divine it all repeats itself

05:15:44.180 whether micro or macro in multiplicity and it's all about interactions of push and pull the era

05:15:51.140 symbol of of the takeaway and the push out or the the turning of things all of it takes place

05:15:58.580 in a perfect unison both negative and positive in the middle in midgard that was a very short

05:16:07.380 question and a very long answer i knew i could count on you so heated myself up some ham um

05:16:15.940 All right, so the next question, again from the Wolf Throne, serious question, and I apologize

05:16:26.900 if I come off annoying. I'm still new to polytheism, and I'm learning, but I'm genuinely

05:16:33.440 trying to understand. If the pantheons are separate, then is it appropriate to honor

05:16:39.480 other arian gods outside of the teutonic pantheon am i still quote true to the icier unquote

05:16:49.080 if i give an offering to zeus or perun at my altar

05:16:56.040 yes but why

05:16:59.240 i think fundamentally for okay before all that you're not annoying your questions are awesome

05:17:05.240 they've been some of our really good ones that have provoked you know verbose and interesting

05:17:11.000 conversation tonight no no problem at all i'm glad that you're here i'm glad that you're asking

05:17:15.880 questions and i encourage everybody else to do so also um and this is a point i didn't

05:17:27.800 hit on with the uh per your question but i think it's relevant

05:17:35.240 I'm trying to think of the best way to communicate this to where it makes sense.

05:17:52.440 If we reduce everything down and there's only one or two gods or whatever they want to reduce it to, and you give worship to all these other gods that are just the one or the two gods by different names, what's the harm?

05:18:15.980 if you you know if you were always talking about how awesome matt is the all's hair you go through

05:18:25.900 or matt the dude at the gym or matt the guy that's drinking the you know drinking too much on the

05:18:31.780 podcast or matt the guy that went and is eating some ham all those are me no part of me is going

05:18:39.540 to be offended. But if the gods are all separate, and you treat them all as if they're whatever

05:18:49.660 one you arbitrarily decide they are, then there's gods of our folk that are getting

05:18:55.300 left out, and that's unacceptable to me. So that's not a direct correlation of this,

05:19:01.360 But it goes, if the Norse pantheon of our gods is complete and accurate in the way that we're honoring our gods, why would you go outside of that to honor them in a different and less one-for-one way?

05:19:26.540 if you decided to honor your Slavic roots by honoring Thor as Perun, I think you'd probably

05:19:35.740 be okay. If you want to honor Zeus, is Zeus, Zeus, or is Zeus a mixture of Odin and Thor and, 0.95

05:19:48.820 and, and, um, I don't know. Why would you do that? If you believe in Ausatru and you're true

05:19:58.020 to the Aesir, then quote unquote Zeus or Perun, if those are understanding of, of the Aryan gods, 0.78

05:20:11.460 they would get their honor with you making your offerings to Odin and Thor and Tyr. 0.58

05:20:19.960 Those God forces would get their praise that way.

05:20:25.460 So, no, I don't think it's some horrible offense, and I don't think it is wrong to do so per se,

05:20:32.140 but I would ask why and what benefit that gives you.

05:20:36.980 What are your thoughts, Swan?

05:20:38.280 i don't know why i keep thinking of this it's like i know george but but i also want to honor

05:20:43.480 him as jorge and what i what what i mean is is is linguistics there and there's other nuanced

05:20:50.440 things again when we're talking about the thrones the thrones and the interaction that the gods have

05:20:55.080 with with different cultures um we talk about the uh what you know whether the slavs or the hellenics

05:21:02.600 or the or the gallic or the teutonic or even you know winging out into the the um let's talk about

05:21:08.920 the hittites and the louians or or whatever we have um it's i think first it's best to approach

05:21:15.960 the gods with the uh understanding of where you come from from you know our interactions the way

05:21:22.440 our ancestors have built their relationships with the gods is first and foremost the best

05:21:27.880 i don't think it's worth taking to offense if somebody said to me perun bless you i would say

05:21:33.960 thank you because i know my people call him thor their people call him perun and the blessing i

05:21:42.200 will gladly take because of that understanding um it's i think universalism has caused a lot of

05:21:49.080 issues in in that it's you know it's easy for a person to say um you know that the in their

05:21:56.360 religion the just the one all all or the the i don't know the great spirit in the sky or tatanka

05:22:03.880 or the the thunder the thunder eagle is the same as yahweh yehovah or is the same as allies

05:22:11.080 that starts to blur a lot but again when you look at the details it doesn't clearly one's

05:22:17.080 you know one culture another culture and they spread their religions based really around those

05:22:22.040 cultures um so i think it's about unilateral respect if you are uh speaking a germanic language

05:22:31.960 you are in a country founded by you know germanics anglo-saxons germans scott you know um

05:22:40.920 or even just the hybridized version of it as we kind of coalesce back together and a lot of those

05:22:46.360 separations have been blended into its own unique culture um i think it's worth you know giving honor

05:22:53.480 to the to the gods in the way that is most known by your people um sometimes i i know people will

05:23:01.160 like honor uh the gods by different names simply to i don't know kind of come off as like knowing

05:23:07.800 that they know that and that's okay too sometimes but sometimes it's over much um i

05:23:14.120 I, if you're true to the S to the S here and you call them the S here, um, but you don't call them,

05:23:23.060 uh, I guess like, like even the Etruscans actually called their gods, the S here.

05:23:29.340 That's interesting. You should look into that stuff. Um, but you're, you're coming from your

05:23:36.100 Teutonic source. If you see yourself as Teutonic and you see yourself over, overarchingly. So

05:23:42.080 then go from your culture first and just understand there's that unilateral respect

05:23:48.920 to uh the hellenics or to the slavs but i'm not hellenic i would not um you know

05:23:55.860 uh put a hellenic god on my harrow uh not not because i don't like their gods because my gods

05:24:06.320 are i'm coming at the arian gods from my people and i don't want to disrespect their people and

05:24:12.060 i don't want to disrespect my people so i will go from my perspective but you know we see it we're

05:24:19.340 like we're like cousins so and that's fine you just don't have to do that play because i think

05:24:26.460 that's the step towards pushing all of the gods into one thing and i think folkishness and the

05:24:34.780 idea of cultural and ethnic religion is built around first identifying who you are and then

05:24:42.540 like becoming that dissolving that i'm just me to i am now of these of this people and this is my

05:24:51.420 people's way you have to bridge those gaps and if you do that then you won't end up kind of like

05:24:58.460 mixing matching and kind of going into the eclectic kind of pathways that a lot of

05:25:03.340 modern um you know uh pagans or whatever they might be called where they're just kind of like

05:25:09.500 pulling from pantheons all over or just all the gods of all these different cultures are just

05:25:14.620 really you know one god or one male god and one female god it starts to get a little dicey i

05:25:21.980 think it would just be more respectful to meet the gods by the way of your people

05:25:26.780 and have respect for your uh the other arian branches who are your cousins

05:25:33.340 Next, does Alistair True have a Sabbath day?

05:25:51.580 That's an interesting question.

05:25:54.680 um typically we do stuff on saturday because it logistically works out well

05:26:04.920 i think fundamentally there are a number of days in our ritual calendar

05:26:13.560 that were meaningful to our ancestors and some of which still are today

05:26:18.140 equinoxes and solstices fall when they do

05:26:29.760 um if we lived in a 100 out of true society you know the work week would be based on that

05:26:40.220 and we could shift everything around and everybody'd be off on the on the solstice

05:26:45.580 maybe a day previous or a day after in the world that we live in it doesn't quite work like that

05:26:52.220 so most of the time you'll see at our hoffs we um get together for for ritual on a saturday

05:27:03.100 or if we do a natural a national event the saturday is kind of the the big day of the event

05:27:10.860 it's not because saturday is holy it's not because saturday is special it's because

05:27:14.860 saturday is convenient and people don't have to work sunday

05:27:20.140 but no there's not a special day of the week that's like our equivalent to uh the sabbath day

05:27:28.700 although the the legit sabbath falls on saturday and that's the day we usually do stuff so

05:27:37.180 that is a coincidence it's not on purpose that's just the way our work week's set up

05:27:41.980 i'm surprised there hasn't been like some sort of you know uh mentally dilapidated screeching 0.98

05:27:49.260 oh they're doing it on saturday like the jews it's like you know like the it it blows my mind that 0.99

05:27:56.460 that hasn't been levied on us yet it's all about convenience the day travel there the day travel 1.00

05:28:02.940 back people like to look for those things yeah they're wearing stoles like the catholics and

05:28:09.260 they're worshiping on saturday no it's i think some it's worth noting some people do honor like

05:28:14.780 if they want to honor uh tear on tears day or they want to honor woven at home on woven's day there

05:28:22.300 some people you know or thor's day or sometimes people will say hey happy thor's day you know on

05:28:26.940 social media you know just kind of reminding people that the names of the days are named

05:28:32.620 after our gods and that our religion never really fully left um but no particular day i think is

05:28:40.940 it's more yeah like you said equinoxes and turning times times of winter times of um

05:28:48.780 to remember our ancestors to remember the fallen or yule or you know and then again

05:28:54.380 uh after the turning of yule although all these times are based off of uh

05:28:58.380 the seasons and um aligning ourselves with the weird of the gods all right so this question

05:29:09.480 uh when you rune pull slash draw do you follow right side or upside down

05:29:18.900 or is it just the room depends what you do so some people

05:29:26.140 scatter the runes onto a cloth

05:29:31.420 if that's what you're doing then the placement matters it's not what I do

05:29:40.080 I draw them sequentially and there's a reason for them so I don't um you know there's no

05:29:48.700 first as far as upside down in the placement if you were to scatter them some people think

05:29:55.560 that a rune right side up is is bright bright staff and um upside down is merc staff or or like

05:30:06.200 the negative side of the room i don't do that i draw a rune based on

05:30:15.320 a past present future understanding of it and i do a three rune pull

05:30:20.120 almost 100 of the time unless i do a one room pull for some reason

05:30:25.560 and it's just the rune and i just interpret the rune as it is based with

05:30:30.680 the knowledge that i bring into the scenario i don't go in thinking it has to be good or

05:30:36.600 it has to be bad it is what it is other than if i do a baby naming for example i'm asking

05:30:42.040 for a gift for the child i don't think i would ask our nornir for a gift and them

05:30:48.680 give a curse as their gift that's not um it's not a noble thing to do and i extend the assumption

05:30:57.720 of nobility to our gods and so if it's a genuine question and i want to know you know things as

05:31:08.360 they are i take what comes as it is and i factor in the positivity or negativity based on the

05:31:16.760 circumstance and based on the question if that makes sense so you say right side or

05:31:24.600 okay maybe that means face down or face up i guess i don't do that but some people do

05:31:31.560 i've never done something to where i've scattered them on a piece of of cloth and tried to interpret

05:31:36.920 them that way it's fun have you ever done that method uh i do a combination i i i actually

05:31:43.320 scatter them on the cloth and then draw up three from the um scatter and i can't look at the

05:31:51.080 scatter it has to be done by the the first one that my finger touches is pulled and then i pull

05:31:58.200 another and i pull another and then i read them in sequence so i think the ultimate thing one thing

05:32:06.600 first and foremost is the upside down to right side up i think most people discount that because

05:32:11.400 of the connotations towards um christianity and the idea of the cross right side up and

05:32:17.000 the upside down inverse is evil and i think a lot of people uh you know misconstrue that

05:32:25.560 or or not misconstrued that they just generally leave that as like that's not done but what you

05:32:29.560 did say about the face down or face up some people do that which is face down as red as

05:32:35.640 murk and that which is face up as red as positive sometimes the face down ones are not red at all

05:32:41.400 um or like what you do is you draw the three and i draw the three but i i think the key factor is

05:32:47.480 randomness there has to be a sense of randomness because what that does is it opens up the

05:32:53.480 possibility of entering into like an unfiltered state of glimpsing into weird and um whereas

05:33:03.400 when you're asking for the gift you're you're you're still pulling randomly but reading them as

05:33:08.280 simply the gifts given and that makes total sense i think when we're talking about answering or

05:33:14.520 asking a question it depends on some people have different schools of thoughts about whether or

05:33:19.320 not there's merc staffs or dark staffs merc just means dark the dark staff or the darker meaning or

05:33:26.360 perhaps an absence of positivity um or or what have you or um and and the light staff leo staff

05:33:35.080 uh but people come around to that very different i have a very structured way the way i was taught

05:33:40.520 was very very structured and there is light and dark and it depends on in the way the runes are

05:33:46.920 correlated with each other in the futhark that's uh you know my way um but i think ultimately

05:33:54.840 i have met and have interacted with uh people who draw runes very well and they don't do it that way

05:34:00.920 and that put me at a spot like well i i have this very formulaic way traditionally of doing it and

05:34:06.600 i've met people who don't they interpret almost randomly and at a whim and they coalesce and what's

05:34:12.760 strange is having done that with them at the same time and almost reaching the same conclusion is

05:34:19.320 where it's like okay well you know magic works in its own way and we just kind of formulate the

05:34:26.920 pattern which best fits us to to receive that truth and that's where i think it's most important

05:34:35.000 is that you understand that so if as a year ago he has his way and i have my way that doesn't

05:34:40.760 necessarily detract us from the pathway in which we get to an understanding of that truth um

05:34:48.680 uh you know you might meet somebody who's like no i absolutely if it's upside down it's bad

05:34:53.800 and if it's right side up it's good and uh i'm not necessarily detracting from them but i think for

05:34:59.320 the most part culturally people have um said that that's seems to be more of like a a layover of

05:35:04.760 christian christian thought or or um i'm sure somebody could argue no that's just paganism

05:35:12.600 in christianity because it just absorbs so much of it but um amongst our folk

05:35:18.280 i'm not being silly at all here um

05:35:26.360 completely legitimate arian practice we could have me doing a rune pull spawn

05:35:36.760 being a horospex and like playing around with the entrails of sacrificed animals

05:35:43.320 and you know rob interpreting the flight of birds or the running of the running of horses

05:35:54.760 and like the movement of a herd of horses

05:35:58.320 those are all legitimate arian divinatory practices based on the spiritual might of

05:36:08.880 each of us, assuming all of our spiritual gravitas was equal, we should come up with

05:36:17.580 a very similar conclusion, even though we go about it in very, very different ways.

05:36:25.700 It's not a, it's not nearly as, there is an art to it, and it's not so much a science,

05:36:38.360 it's your ability to interpret and to see through a lens and if you staring into the hog guts 0.52

05:36:48.600 makes you pop up with the right answer okay i've never trained in that i don't know what to look 0.71

05:36:56.440 for i don't know my touchstones on that and what would make sense but it's all through seeing

05:37:02.120 things through that lens and how you set up your preconceived understanding of what these things

05:37:12.480 mean makes a big difference. Svon and I could each do a three-room pull,

05:37:19.140 draw completely different runes, and come up with the same answer.

05:37:23.100 And we would go to it through a different route, but the spiritual gravitas comes in how you interpret the information to make it make sense.

05:37:38.560 and that's an interplay with any of these things there is a beyond the veil element

05:37:46.540 that is working through the runes there is a element of

05:37:54.220 yeah there's an interplay between that and then the casters wisdom and spiritual

05:38:04.360 enlightenment that way and understanding on how to interpret those messages. All of those things

05:38:11.940 happen through a medium of quasi-randomness that goes with these rune poles. And it provides a

05:38:23.200 it provides a medium for the connection between the beyond and you on how this all works out

05:38:35.180 and the gravitas of the entity on the other side

05:38:41.640 interplays with the gravitas of the room practitioner to come to the accuracy or the

05:38:50.700 validity of the pull and it's a it's a very complex interplay of things but it's

05:39:00.300 if you've done them and you know when you're really on or when something clicks

05:39:03.980 or you've seen when it works or when it doesn't it's very special when you see that and there's

05:39:10.540 no way i can communicate that on this broadcast in any way it's going to make sense unless you've

05:39:16.460 done it or unless you've been the subject of someone good at at it who does that for you

05:39:22.700 and you've seen the truth of it but sometimes it'll it'll absolutely blow you away

05:39:29.740 our next question if a person joins the afa can they keep it private that their name won't be

05:39:36.700 shown or on any site or anywhere else yes with one caveat first your name is your association

05:39:48.940 with the afa is entirely up to you if you come to events we take pictures we share those pictures

05:39:54.940 it's how we grow we're not going to stop it because you don't like it but if you're aware

05:40:00.860 of those things you can be the guy that takes the pictures and you can just kind of be aware

05:40:05.820 and step aside the thing that's important is that just is no your real legal name and legal

05:40:12.700 information will be in our database that's important because it lets afa leadership and

05:40:18.460 leadership only see your information and be able to run background checks to make sure you're not

05:40:25.820 a sex offender to make sure you're a safe person to have our families around but your privacy on

05:40:33.260 how involved or how not involved you want to be that's entirely up to you and no we don't publish

05:40:39.020 you know so-and-so's an afa member we don't acknowledge anybody's an afa member unless

05:40:45.340 they want us to and have given us the permission to do that or step forward as a member of

05:40:49.740 leadership with the understanding that we're going to do that all right so nick skipped this one on

05:40:58.540 accident should have been the first one but it wasn't uh good evening how's y'all how is y'all's

05:41:06.860 tonight though uh mine's going pretty good getting a little bit tired but i'm gonna keep going until

05:41:13.500 we got what we got finally broke down i was hungry i'm eating myself some ham um

05:41:20.540 but i'm doing pretty good how are you doing sivan i'm doing well i am uh excited uh

05:41:28.540 winter winter finding is coming upon us we're in the felling moon and finally the turning towards

05:41:34.780 uh here in the south it's it's it's been hot it's been um muggy and i'm i'm looking forward

05:41:41.980 to the turning tide of um in the hunting season and cold weather and um celebrating um all the

05:41:51.820 fruits of you know apples and pumpkins and uh it's it's good i'm i'm excited

05:42:00.940 a little sore because of working out but you know that's a that's a constant

05:42:10.380 it's a good sore though it's a good sore all right

05:42:14.620 okay i'll tell you go to see what afa accomplishments would you like to see

05:42:19.820 during your time as also you go to uh what's on your afa bucket list do you what on your afa

05:42:28.060 afa bucket list do you want to see before you pass on the mantle so that's a good question

05:42:36.060 unless i am stricken with some debilitating mental illness

05:42:43.180 and even then i hope somebody like props me up and makes me look better than i am

05:42:49.200 a weekend at bernie's kind of situation you got to do what you got to do but i don't plan

05:42:56.220 on passing anything on until i pass beyond the veil

05:42:59.580 So, it's hard because it's easy when there's not a defined time limit to like, ah, I could live to be 115, technically.

05:43:16.460 What would I like to see?

05:43:19.460 Further you project into the future, the more, I don't know, the more fanciful and less specific I can be. 0.83

05:43:29.580 I would like to see Hoffs to our first 12 gods that we have a plan for and a Hoff to Mother Frigg and Lady Freya. 0.63

05:43:43.140 So I'd like to see 14 Hoffs established in my time. 0.85

05:43:49.920 I would like very much, and this is part of part of that, I'd like to see Sigurheim get developed.

05:43:56.860 I'd like there to be, you know, a half dozen families at least, if not more, living on the property.

05:44:04.820 I'd like to see more property added to it that'll change that equation.

05:44:08.580 I'd like to see Tiershoff built up and running there and be part of that.

05:44:13.680 I'd like to see the great hall that we have planned there come to fruition, get not only, you know, framed, but furnished and nice and lived in and to be a source of home, of merriment, of celebration, of fellowship for our folk.

05:44:34.780 With me and my family being a big part of that, I want to get down there and move to Sigerheim and have my daughter raised for a significant part of her childhood with other AFA children, other AFA members, and really build that hall culture and that community there in Jackson County, Tennessee.

05:44:55.560 It's a big goal of mine.

05:44:56.960 i would like one of those 14 initial hoffs to be overseas i think getting out of getting a

05:45:09.260 hoff that's not in the united states would be a really important statement that we're not bound

05:45:17.940 by the border of country that we're, that our, our AFA family truly transcends

05:45:27.160 geographical borders. And I think that would be really nice.

05:45:33.720 I certainly want to see the first students that started in kindergarten in the OSTU Academy

05:45:42.480 graduate and get a you know get a degree or a certificate of completion or whatever it looks

05:45:49.440 like in the state that they are in that counts from the astro academy i believe that'll be 2036

05:45:56.960 if we have someone from our initial kindergarten class that makes it all the way through

05:46:01.680 so i'm looking forward to that

05:46:11.680 So, other AFA accomplishments. There's a lot of more nebulous social ones. Like I'd like us to at each of these Hoffs, and we're already doing that at the Hoffs we have, to establish decent relationships with our community where we're ingrained in those communities.

05:46:33.600 We're part of it. We're looked upon as good neighbors and build a good reputation for ourselves and for Alcetru.

05:46:41.920 I'd like to see AFA become the only name in Alcetru to where we're not like, and this isn't faulting anybody who's asking me questions,

05:46:52.720 but where there's not like, ah, but Thomas Rousel says, or ah, the Norena Society once had this thing to say.

05:46:59.520 I'd like it to be just understood if you're talking Ousitree, you're talking about AFA.

05:47:08.540 On a more ethereal basis, one thing that I'm very hopeful for and excited about with each of these Hoffs, 0.76

05:47:20.240 and we've certainly seen it, it's not that we haven't seen it with Odin's Hoff and Thor's Hoff,

05:47:28.800 But we've seen it in a really particular way with Baldr's Hoff so far.

05:47:33.160 And we're also seeing it in Jörn's Hoff.

05:47:36.240 Each of the Hoffs that we establish to these gods helps us build a really special relationship with them.

05:47:48.000 It helps us grow in that relationship and grow in our understanding of them.

05:47:52.620 and I hope that the more we do, they're received well by the gods, they're smiled upon and looked

05:48:00.360 upon favorably, and that we can build a better relationship with our gods and a better

05:48:06.200 understanding. We have, I suppose a lot's not fair, but there's clearly gods we know much more

05:48:14.740 about than others. The more obscure gods are the ones that are celebrated less. I'm hoping that

05:48:23.040 with Hoffs and regular worship of them, we learn more about them, we draw closer to them,

05:48:29.700 and we can celebrate them in a bigger way than they've been celebrated before.

05:48:36.520 And I look forward to that.

05:48:41.560 I'd also like to get a couple of other things.

05:48:45.120 I'd like to get our membership to where the contributions are all done through

05:48:51.180 Hoftholler to where we don't have to chase people down for small membership

05:48:56.660 fees.

05:48:57.620 And I'm using the air quotes.

05:48:59.400 I'd like to build the AFA culture to where our people are pious and they give

05:49:03.480 to their gods because that's an act of devotion to them and not because it's, you know, forced

05:49:11.260 membership dues. I look forward to that day. I'd like to get to a point where our people

05:49:19.080 in general are much more pious, to where this isn't a novelty or an interesting pursuit,

05:49:28.040 to where this is a devotional faith that they would give their lives for, that they genuinely

05:49:35.020 believe with their heart and their soul. That's better now than it's ever been in my lifetime,

05:49:40.700 but we still have a long way to go. And I'd like to see where that is the norm for our members

05:49:45.000 and not something reserved for the elite of our folk. And I see that with generations as they

05:49:53.400 come up being raised in the AFA, but I really want to see that during my time.

05:50:02.920 I think that's what I've got off the top of my head for that question.

05:50:12.840 And so now we're just getting to the point, if you guys remember in the way back when I said,

05:50:18.920 hey, Mary, we're sorry, we'll go ahead and move on to the second room.

05:50:23.400 this is where that question is following in our line of questions

05:50:30.040 so you know four hours after she asked it all in the cycle all in the cycle

05:50:39.160 can't rush it it's due time um matt and svan thoughts on christians who say that the israelites

05:50:48.680 of the bible were white and that christianity is an arian religion 0.93

05:50:57.240 the first the initial response is they're wrong and that's ridiculous and hilarious 0.97

05:51:04.760 the deeper response is it's sad um 0.85

05:51:07.640 it's it's sad because they're so close they want to break off and have an ethnic faith

05:51:18.740 but they don't have the confidence or the um or the faith or the courage to just completely cut

05:51:27.580 that cord. So they're trying every way they can to somehow reshape the square to go in the round

05:51:39.800 hole. And it's really unfortunate. And it's sad. And we've seen it for a long time. This isn't a

05:51:48.180 new thing. This is something that goes back, I mean, shoot, a century at least. More than that,

05:51:56.580 I think there's British Israelite-ism in the 1800s, honestly.

05:52:02.600 But no, it's just woefully misguided, and it's wrong.

05:52:07.200 There are elements of Christianity that are borrowed,

05:52:13.660 like oh so many bicycles from a different culture.

05:52:17.360 there are aryan elements to christianity that were misappropriated but no christianity is not

05:52:29.500 an aryan faith the original jews weren't white they were semitic and jewish and

05:52:39.860 it's really sad that we have elements of our people that want to be proud of themselves

05:52:46.940 but have to somehow graft that pride on to another people's accomplishments.

05:52:56.120 I don't like when other people do that to us,

05:52:59.420 and it saddens me when we feel the need that we have to do that to other people.

05:53:05.360 But that's my thoughts on it.

05:53:07.020 What are your thoughts, Fawn?

05:53:09.540 I've had contentious arguments with folks that have brought this up.

05:53:14.740 I've even, it's, it's truly funny. I get, I get called all kinds of vehement, you know, titles as, as being by saying simple truths that, that really kind of, I guess, outside your people that look at it from third person, they're like, wow, he's being mean, but I'm, I'm merely saying, you know, Jesus was Jewish. 0.99

05:53:39.960 she's spoke a semitic language and so on and so forth so i'm actually like substantiating

05:53:47.160 an ethnic point from there and people are just like oh but it's you know sometimes it does get

05:53:52.040 vitriol biting because people just i mean venom sometimes spills over and i'm i'm i'm guilty of it

05:53:59.640 too but um i try to re-emphasize to uh people that you know you can't separate the leaf from the

05:54:07.240 roots there's just no way you can do that even though the leaf looks very different from the

05:54:12.280 root um and if you look at christianity in a far off distant view of it uh especially european

05:54:22.920 christianity i'll say that much because christianity has been in africa for a very long

05:54:26.600 time some would even argue all the way back to moses um and so on and so forth um but european

05:54:33.480 christianity has a a huge amount of um native faith of of europe in it um you know even right

05:54:43.560 down to you know when you interpret the ten commandments and the true interpretation is

05:54:49.240 that you shall have no graven images but yet you know there's statues to jesus and to mary and

05:54:56.440 and so on and so forth or crosses and so on you know it's like people will turn and flip and

05:55:03.480 twist things as the necessity of what they need in relation to the fact that once you have this kind

05:55:09.400 of all-encompassing universal religion at one end everything's undefinable and everything's

05:55:16.920 absolutely relative but it doesn't matter because omnipresent and then but when you look at the

05:55:21.640 details all of the you know figures of any importance in connection to their god come

05:55:29.000 from this one little region in the world specifically and oddly so even though it's

05:55:35.160 a universal religion of of um of all mankind if you will um but that when you're talking

05:55:43.640 about people like that that are desperately trying to uh you know differentiate they're

05:55:49.960 trying to create a schism between the understanding that christianity started

05:55:55.800 the semitic language or the language of shem and um they want to detract from that

05:56:03.000 pull away from that and say no that's not the case that it was usurped by people who speak this

05:56:08.760 the semitic language and that but was never adopted by any other arian folk it was just

05:56:15.560 uniquely a sliver that got you know usurped by these people i had somebody arguing that with me

05:56:22.360 once um and you know looking at again the the origins of their faith in relation to the

05:56:28.600 to the phoenicians or in relation to the babylonians and the stories that they share

05:56:33.720 with those people in relation to the bible um or the tanakh uh you know in particular like

05:56:40.520 the story of noah you know the and the the babylonians having a much older story um 0.67

05:56:46.200 you know, they're, they're just, they're trying to create a schism in order to validate their

05:56:53.480 kind of broad spectrum Christianity, which is there is a sky daddy. And if you go against him,

05:56:59.740 you're going to go to a bad place, but nevermind. Don't look at the details of the sky. Daddy's

05:57:05.140 name is Yahweh or Yehovah or Elohim. Nevermind the fact that, you know, the, uh, the Angelos

05:57:11.260 of greece are really the uh the malaks of of the you know the actual language of the bible

05:57:19.020 or the the demons are a shadim don't pay attention to any of these you know like origin words or 0.98

05:57:25.660 where they come from or what were they spoken of before they became greek words or greek words were

05:57:30.540 kind of plastered over them or germanic words with heaven and hell um you know uh and i remember

05:57:37.500 somebody saying like why do you say the word heaven well heaven's a germanic word just like

05:57:41.020 the word hell is it's from our faith and that's just been slapped over um so it's like it's kind

05:57:47.500 of like pay attention to the details when they want to kind of find a substantive argument but

05:57:52.540 don't pay attention to the details when it doesn't quite fit for the way where they're going with

05:57:58.300 things so um yeah it's it's they're basically just struggling with universalism and i feel

05:58:05.180 sorry for them and i feel sad for them um that they're you know that they're forced to do that

05:58:10.140 and they're doing that with such an ardent um fervor and that's because of their fear of

05:58:15.900 gehenna their fear of the judaic concept of that which is furthest away from yahweh

05:58:22.780 and they're dreadfully afraid of it and they're scared of it to the point where 0.55

05:58:27.980 they're they're just gonna again twist and turn it and and uh you know bite at the at the

05:58:34.460 pinching or nagging hand um and it's it's it's kind of sad but i you know i can't do anything

05:58:42.540 about it you just try to show them this is this and that is that and here's historically this and

05:58:50.460 they but they will only pay attention to the details they want to perceive and it's like

05:58:56.220 arguing with like what is that that famous saying like playing chess with a pigeon

05:58:59.900 eventually they're just gonna knock all the pieces over and claim that they won

05:59:04.460 is really there's not much you can do but at the same time we're trying to bring our

05:59:10.220 or a three-year-old yeah and we're trying to bring our folk home we're trying to be

05:59:15.500 bashful to bring them back to the faith and see the world from their their the soul of their

05:59:21.420 people and um and not to see the the world through the soul of other people and um and

05:59:30.060 That's really what we're trying to do. And I think that they don't see it that way. They see it as, you know, they're going to demonize and they're going to do whatever without ever really looking at the details of where their faith comes from, the origins of their faith or the origins of their rules and edicts and so on and so forth.

05:59:47.940 the end of the day i think most christians are are especially european christians and western

05:59:55.440 christians are morally aligned with us enough that we can find a modicum of of um living together

06:00:07.000 and working together and understanding each other i think that you know when christians find out

06:00:11.020 that, you know, we're not committing, you know, atrocities or lighting things or like worshiping

06:00:17.540 goats or whatever they have in their mind about us. They come to realize, oh no, these are good

06:00:21.700 people. We're just going to leave them alone. They're just doing their thing. I don't agree

06:00:24.540 with it. And we can likewise do the same thing at the end of the day. If they want to get into

06:00:28.760 the nitty gritty details of it though, I say, you know, lay it on them, lay it on them because

06:00:34.580 sometimes they just need that they they they have a very simple broad view and when they look into

06:00:41.820 the details they don't like looking to see the grains of the wood they don't like seeing those

06:00:46.120 roots and it's uh but they can't separate from them so a lot of times when i argue with them

06:00:51.160 about that stuff i use the bible in reference and it's not it seems like i'm attacking them

06:00:57.220 but in reality all i'm doing is trying to clarify that if they at least are of this religion they

06:01:03.380 should embrace it wholly and completely and stop picking and choosing as they see fit to fit their

06:01:11.860 european worldview or their folk worldview but they're utilizing lenses from another people

06:01:18.900 it just seems so tiresome and sad

06:01:24.740 next question what is the highest current hoftaler percentage at that's actually two questions here so

06:01:33.380 the high it's hard because we you know it's the honor system and we say hey is this one percent

06:01:40.340 or greater yes cool thank you so the highest that i know about that someone is claiming is that they

06:01:49.540 give ten percent it's the highest i know about and it's much much appreciated um and then the next

06:01:58.100 question that's me i know because it is me it's actually a couple of folks yeah i'm not the only

06:02:06.660 one which is really nice um the next half of the question if someone donated a small church

06:02:13.460 in a large multicultural city would you accept it and use it as a hoff we would accept it

06:02:21.300 Absolutely. Would we use it as a Hoff? That all really depends. 0.99

06:02:30.100 And I've said this before, and it's not always the most appealing answer to people,

06:02:35.140 but we would use it to the best of our ability to serve our gods.

06:02:41.300 if that meant selling it and getting something better that we want in a place more to our needs

06:02:52.200 where we have membership that's absolutely what we would do if we have a membership need there

06:02:59.180 and it makes sense for our next half to be there then certainly um we have now we don't have any

06:03:08.780 hoffs in a big city mostly because those are i mean there's a number of reasons but city

06:03:16.380 properties are much more expensive than the properties where we've gotten hoffs before

06:03:23.020 so realistically if you had a small church but it's in the middle of downtown

06:03:28.220 chicago or something we could probably sell it and get something four times as big in a

06:03:34.940 better location that's closer to members so we'd have to think about that i mean i say just off the

06:03:43.020 top of my head chicago but we have a lot of members around the chicago area it might make

06:03:47.420 sense to keep that going um our hoff in white springs florida is in a very it's not multicultural

06:03:56.460 it's just black it's in a very black community it's on that side of the tracks it's you know

06:04:07.740 not the same as a city in an urban sense but it's certainly not a a strong white enclave

06:04:14.220 and we have a hof there that works out just fine for us um so yeah a lot of things would go into

06:04:22.540 that decision but a lot of people ask and if it's not what we need where we need it then we would

06:04:28.140 you know sell it and roll that into what we do need but we'd be honest about that up front if

06:04:34.460 that were a condition of the donation if that were a condition of the donation then it would

06:04:40.540 we'd have to factor in whether it makes sense for us to invest towards that

06:04:52.540 So Svahn has disappeared. We'll move on to the next question.

06:05:01.360 Is the leader of the AFA supposed to be chosen from the Witten?

06:05:06.820 No, that's not how it's set up.

06:05:11.900 Before the Witten, there was a board of directors for the AFA.

06:05:16.980 I actually established the Witten, I want to say like six months or more after I was the

06:05:34.240 Ulsteria Gothi, but no, the Ulsteria Gothi is not chosen from the Witten.

06:05:39.680 or okay there's a number of ways you could read the question it is certainly not chosen by the

06:05:48.720 witten can they be chosen from the witten it depends and here's the answer the next question

06:05:56.600 are there any limitations on who may who you may choose so that's the thing the specifically that's

06:06:04.100 of the few enumerated like this specifically is the ulceria goethe's preference is to who

06:06:13.140 succeeds in them as ulceria goethe are there any limitations to who i may choose no not technically

06:06:21.620 i mean i common sense would say a member of the afa i think that you know it would be highly

06:06:28.580 irregular and strange if i didn't choose a gofee within the afa um but no there are no

06:06:36.180 official restraints on who i could choose that way uh is the leader of the afa supposed to be

06:06:42.340 a lifetime position yes ideally that's that's the plan um that's what the what the yes that

06:06:52.100 is the intention of it um as we've seen in the fact that that steve is not still the else harry

06:07:00.020 gothi one could abdicate if they wanted to but no the idea is it's a lifetime position

06:07:10.820 if not how many years decades should it be or should there be an age cap just curious about

06:07:17.540 succession i know there should be none of those things it's entirely up to the alzharia goethe

06:07:22.580 when they would like to pass things along or if they would like to wait until they're passing

06:07:30.420 um next question if the leader of the afa were to pass unexpectedly

06:07:36.260 is there a succession plan in place or does the witten choose the successor

06:07:40.420 um that's a really important question and i think that's a really important

06:07:48.340 thing for uh future ulterior gothies to ulterior gothar to

06:07:56.980 take care of immediately was really important to me um there's always been a plan i have put that

06:08:06.580 plan in my will that is lodged with uh our law speaker witten allen turnage um but signed off

06:08:17.700 in my own hand and whatever else he has an original signed copy of that and that's something

06:08:22.900 that gets updated as needed as that may or may not change as far as a specific chart and graph

06:08:31.700 No, because I've seen that work really badly in the past. In the past, I have seen that if someone

06:08:44.900 sees that coming and expects it, it's very easy for them to wait things out or bide their time

06:08:53.260 until they're in the big chair and it doesn't work out well. And I think it also can build a

06:09:00.960 sense of, of entitlement. So I think that the answer to that question may or may not change

06:09:06.780 many times in the course of somebody's period as ulterior ago, but there is a, uh, there is a plan.

06:09:13.660 It's just not necessarily, you know, known to all, but it is written down and notarized and,

06:09:21.780 and it's a thing. Um, in the future, uh, if in the future we ended up with a bad or non-folkish

06:09:32.960 leader, say like the current Pope, is there something that could be done to fix the situation?

06:09:39.880 Thanks. Just had a few questions. Hope it's okay. It's absolutely okay. I appreciate you asking the

06:09:44.660 questions um is there something that could be done sure is there a policy and procedure on how to do

06:09:54.580 that no because that's always the first step in chaos setting in and the mob overthrowing and

06:10:05.620 ruin and stuff and we've seen that time and time again in aussitrew

06:10:10.260 yeah, in the traditional sense, the leadership and the elders of our faith, the Witten and the

06:10:20.600 Gothar, can figure it out and make stuff work and make things happen that need to happen and

06:10:27.000 make sure that goes the right way it needs to go. But that's why it's so very important.

06:10:34.120 having the Alzheimer's get to pick their successor

06:10:41.180 and it not be some kind of a voting or procedural process circumvents the whims of the times that

06:10:52.960 we find ourselves in or we'll find ourselves in in the future. It provides the best measure to

06:11:00.180 make sure somebody is carrying on the tradition of our church as opposed to like you said

06:11:08.180 having the council cardinals elect the commie pope um 0.94

06:11:14.420 yeah we we don't want any commie else here you go the and i'm not going to install one of those to 0.51

06:11:21.700 take take over from from me uh i'm going to install someone that i believe is not going to

06:11:29.220 allow one of those to take over from them and so on and so forth into the future

06:11:38.900 next one is from the wolf throne matt you've spoken on how democracy

06:11:45.940 is bad in aussitrew but what about in the context of a nation most people associate monarchy with

06:11:53.060 tyranny. Most people do. And I think that's another problem with modernity. People

06:12:00.260 parrot things that they've been told or been taught very often. And over the last, you know,

06:12:11.540 100 years, probably 200 in a lot of places, it's just been, goes without saying in the West,

06:12:18.640 monarchy, bad authoritarianism, bad democracy is good. Anybody telling you what to do equals

06:12:27.380 tyranny. Um, I don't agree with that. I don't think that's the case. Uh, in the context of a

06:12:34.740 nation, I mean, there's, there's a lot of right ways to do things. I think traditionally as

06:12:41.580 traditional people. There's a lot to be said for a functional monarchy that is done well by noble

06:12:55.580 people. It's a lot easier for one person to be righteous than to expect the majority of people

06:13:10.580 to be righteous. It's a lot easier to find one truly great individual than to expect 51%

06:13:19.780 of the populace to make the right decisions on things.

06:13:26.980 That's why even in circumstances where people reject monarchies, it's a myth that the United

06:13:34.900 States was meant to be a democracy. It certainly wasn't. In fact, many of our founding fathers

06:13:40.000 wanted to install George Washington as a king.

06:13:45.100 But what they settled on was a republic,

06:13:48.720 but straight democracy is mob rule.

06:13:51.980 Mob rule is bad.

06:13:58.660 Question from Odyssey.

06:14:04.600 Which way to right era is right?

06:14:10.000 Going back to the rune.

06:14:12.160 Good.

06:14:15.840 Let's say you spawn.

06:14:17.120 Is this the correct era or is this the era of heresy?

06:14:21.760 No, I, uh, I mean this, uh, okay.

06:14:26.860 This one that's up here is, uh, of the, the Nordic hour or A-R-R and, uh, oftentimes it's called the plow rune as it is, uh, you know,

06:14:39.860 a plow about to descend into the earth uh by symbolic you know standards sometimes it has a

06:14:46.320 it's almost like a nazi's rune in reverse um and still kind of also called the plow rune um

06:14:54.560 if you're talking about the elder futhark the two sectional sectional piece i think is by far the

06:15:04.960 most prominent way that it is it is drawn but so the question is the way you had your fingers up

06:15:11.120 there compared with the rune on the screen you guys are both doing it opposite directions oh

06:15:17.680 sorry because it's for uh reverse camera wise or all right what have you um yeah i mean if you

06:15:25.040 notice though the eldest uh form of the runes that we have is the kelver stone and in the kelver

06:15:30.400 stone it's actually connected the centerpieces intersect with the outer pieces that flare out

06:15:37.360 um the uh the i would say the two most common ways in which this rune is is um say historically

06:15:48.960 shown is that it's either done in two pieces or it is done with a central access with the

06:15:56.480 two pieces connected in the center like in the anglo-saxon uh form um that seems to be almost

06:16:04.320 just as in running in the same sense when you look at the calverstone and we're you know we're going

06:16:09.280 to talk a lot about this too is is that the calverstone has some interesting ways in which we

06:16:14.320 we no longer uh like the soilo rune is is you know is a three point um almost like a sideways

06:16:22.480 and where a lot of times the solo is now seen as more like a lightning bolt or an s um shape and um

06:16:30.880 you you find that a lot with the older elder futharks and again the question is under what

06:16:38.000 pretenses were they being carved so you know if they're being written and they're being written

06:16:44.080 in what seems to be clearly a magical sense that has i think more gravity than someone leaving a

06:16:48.800 message um but if you look at the two oldest that we have the the kelver stone and the vat stenebrek

06:16:56.480 day um you'll see that it's always a variation of this and sometimes the separation is actually

06:17:03.760 connected not because it's it's intended to be drawn that way but because the median in which

06:17:08.640 they're they're producing the rune it for stability reasons is uh connected slightly

06:17:17.280 in order to make sure that um it doesn't you know uh that that's that section doesn't break apart

06:17:23.120 so um this style is predominantly put forward by um uh edrid thorson's rune books or dr stephen

06:17:35.120 flowers i think this was the one that was predominantly settled upon um as being the

06:17:40.720 the most prominent out of generally this and the single staff with the two um greater than

06:17:49.380 less than signs being connected to the central staff much like a um i i would assume like a

06:17:57.580 diamond with a line through the middle is the best way i could describe it um but if you read

06:18:04.520 any rune book they for the most part you'll find a section of the room before we they go into

06:18:11.080 descriptions and and uh you know interpretations and and and things of the room and there will be

06:18:16.840 multiple uh variations that have been seen throughout history one of the most interesting

06:18:22.040 things is beyond runemasters of the past we have a massive lexicon of various ones from

06:18:30.920 nordic and uh anglo-saxon and central germanic and we have one spanning back to the calverstone

06:18:39.320 and and ones that are written shorthand on uh you know um as messages in medieval manuscripts

06:18:47.080 and you know knowing them uh is i think important but it's worth noting more so the uh

06:18:55.320 um you're internalizing the symbol as to what it draws to you and becoming so familiar with it

06:19:04.740 that if you were to inscribe it or pull it in a drawing that that symbol is clear and concise

06:19:12.180 to you as to what it means but by popular usage this is the most um utilized format of of Yira

06:19:22.560 so like you know popular one and

06:19:25.620 it's really important to step back every now and again and realize

06:19:31.700 that the rune is the mystery this conveys it's not the drawing

06:19:37.220 rune means mystery having a greater than and and less than eating one another or whatever

06:19:47.520 isn't the mystery of Yara.

06:19:50.740 It's a way to communicate that.

06:19:53.240 Nick just threw up a variety of different ways

06:19:56.420 this rune is portrayed.

06:20:00.060 And I've seen this one that we have right now

06:20:02.280 just flip backwards.

06:20:04.360 So there's a lot of different right ways to do it.

06:20:11.220 Outside of remembering that the rune

06:20:13.700 is the mystery, not the drawing.

06:20:15.460 the other thing to think about is communicating if people see it and know what you mean and it

06:20:23.280 works to convey a message to them either esoterically of the room meaning or linguistically

06:20:30.160 of you know it working in in the sense of yara um then then you you've accomplished what you're

06:20:39.580 doing. If you look, you know, relatively recently, a lot of, there was a lot of question on proper

06:20:48.020 spelling of things. And you still see that in United Kingdom English versus American English

06:20:55.440 on certain words. There's multiple right ways to spell certain words, even in this day and age.

06:21:02.500 If you go back to, you know, the age of our founding fathers in America in the late 1700s,

06:21:09.580 you'll find wide varieties of spellings you'll find varieties of spellings of the same word even

06:21:15.980 within one guy's letter because so much of of it was phonetic and to get convey a point

06:21:24.380 not because there was one proper way of doing it so i think a lot of the time it's

06:21:31.340 depending on the time and place that you were or the you know specific knowledge of the guy carving

06:21:37.820 the runes they might look differently to one degree or another but making something fluid

06:21:44.300 that communicates what you're trying to say i think is the most important thing when you're

06:21:48.300 doing it for for writing purposes and if you do to communicate an esoteric truth

06:21:56.140 i mean does it do that or not how you write your yara is that going to look to spawn and i like oh

06:22:04.060 okay they're they're talking about doing things in their proper time or a bountiful harvest

06:22:09.900 or are we going to wonder what squiggle you made and not understand assuming it's the first then

06:22:15.820 you did it right if it's the latter then you need to change what you're doing and this phonetic the

06:22:22.140 phonetic value of this rune is the yah sound uh and that gets confusing especially when we start

06:22:28.620 modern english with the usage of the j or with old norse and the usage of the j they used the letter

06:22:35.340 j for like a perfect example of course would be like the name bjorn bjorn is spelled b-j-o-r-n

06:22:45.020 um and but the sound is a is a y sound uh the j has traversed in languages

06:22:52.940 you know variably just like the the k sound and the s sound or the c sound k sound s sound uh

06:23:01.260 whether we're talking about you know the city or the kaiser um you know that it's been transferred

06:23:07.820 a lot but understanding that the rune the rune itself's root word is a root sound is yah and

06:23:14.140 that supplementally sometimes there's a secondary usage with the with the j uh just to oftentimes

06:23:22.540 uh you know explain perhaps maybe foreign words um uh or at least foreign usage of the sound

06:23:30.140 but i mean again it's uh what was it the um i said earlier george versus you know uh jorge that now

06:23:37.260 it's an h it's transferring into an h sound but um or you know there's there the languages kind

06:23:43.900 of shift that way so understanding that this is the yeah sound and it it can supplement

06:23:50.060 or as always the y but can supplement sometimes a j depending on the language

06:23:56.680 or the origin of the word if it's coming from a um a different language um

06:24:01.840 uh and you know it's like another example would be like the word iron in in old norse and in

06:24:10.400 icelandic is is it's pronounced iron and iron is spelled with a j in the beginning

06:24:19.340 And what you find a lot of times is it wasn't initially a Y sound in the beginning of the word.

06:24:26.620 It was just that they chose the J over a Y because the J was in higher usage than the letter Y.

06:24:36.000 So sometimes when it gets into writing and studying the languages as they evolved, it's very interesting.

06:24:42.140 but to look back to it simply as the understanding that this is the the yira uh we did wunyo and

06:24:52.060 wunyo is a w sound but the wv has been back and forth in most germanic languages um so it is

06:25:02.060 widely used when writing the the wunyo is a w first and a v secondary so this would be a y sound

06:25:10.060 first and a j sound secondary all right um question for both the vedic religion is polytheistic but

06:25:23.020 also has a monotheistic aspect ramen an impersonal oneness underlying all phenomena

06:25:31.900 if i understand it correctly does this come from an eastern influence or does this confirm the

06:25:37.660 existence of a lost indo-european monotheistic god

06:25:49.340 does it come from an eastern influence maybe does it confirm the existence of a lost indo-european

06:25:55.900 monotheistic god no um exactly how that developed or why they think wrongly is you know that's

06:26:07.500 up to scholars in hindu history i'm not sure that is the vedic understanding i know that is

06:26:16.700 very often the hindu understanding um but

06:26:23.260 if you look at that country and you look at the people who practice that faith the

06:26:29.660 The mixing of things is very self-evident.

06:26:37.300 There's a lot of really cool things.

06:26:39.380 A lot of elements came down to the modern day in that faith that were washed out in Europe.

06:26:48.320 And so it's really interesting to look at.

06:26:50.300 But just as their people have taken a drastically different coloration and shape because of intermingling with other forces, so has their development of their religiosity. 0.97

06:27:05.300 And a part of that is this need to boil down their, there's thousands of Hindu gods, to boil them all down into one is a, I think corruption is the best way to say of the Aryan root. 0.84

06:27:32.240 um i think you get to a point where it's just confusing it's just simpler to say ah it's all

06:27:38.240 the same thing just be hindu and just it's it's all krishna krishna is the the the supreme godhead

06:27:45.200 harry krishna harry krishna um but again folks do that with krishna they do that with brahma they do

06:27:55.040 that with shiva they do that depending upon your sect of hinduism they pick they pick one

06:28:03.200 or or vishnu they pick one and everything else is just a a manifestation of that one godhead

06:28:14.080 and that's i think it's just lazy i think it's an easy simplification of a very very

06:28:21.440 complex system that grew complex beyond its means and so ah screw it it's all just one thing

06:28:31.120 is a much easier answer to the question and i think that's where some of it came and i think

06:28:35.840 that's probably an oversimplification i'm sure there's schools of hinduism and vedic thought that

06:28:44.160 have analyzed this in a much more eloquent way but no i don't think that's an original

06:28:49.760 aryan concept i think that's a dravidian um post-migration concept there uh there was somebody

06:28:59.600 that posited the idea that when the araya arrived into india or into the the cashmere valley um

06:29:09.600 that their tripartite was already established and that it would be argued that during the time of

06:29:14.240 like the bhagavida that the tripartite of the arians entering into india was that it was indra

06:29:22.720 agni and vishnu and that somehow over time it had traversed into brahma shiva and vishnu and that

06:29:33.920 there's again this tripartite these thrones are still laid out but that there's a uh an evolving

06:29:42.720 of which these, these, the gods kind of take these thrones. Um, one of the ones that I, you know,

06:29:50.180 I remember, I mean, first off, I'm not too familiar with like the Indra, Agni and Vishnu

06:29:56.080 tripartite that was being argued as being the original tripartite of the Arians as they came

06:30:01.100 in. But I do remember reading the story about Shiva and the, the axis Mundi, if you will,

06:30:07.640 the central point um in which uh shiva asks vishnu and brahma to go to the top and the bottom

06:30:16.840 and tell me what's there and um you know brahma comes and says um he makes a lie and the lie is

06:30:26.120 a lie and then vishnu says no you can't see the bottom or the top of the central point of any

06:30:31.560 of it all and so brahma gets relegated to a point of stasis where he's no longer

06:30:38.760 going to be honored in their faith and that i think is a cultural aspect of understanding like

06:30:44.680 the stasis throne the dynamic throne and the catalystic throne as they always seem to be uh

06:30:52.360 substantiated by the culture and and the then they ask the gods to fill those thrones

06:30:57.480 as designated or needed um but you always do find the tripartite you always do fine or you

06:31:03.240 know for them they also have the tridevi the uh the triplicate um uh goddesses um again these are

06:31:10.920 deeply arian things but they're they're being overwashed with other influences and cults and

06:31:17.720 uh things like that i think monotheism is ultimately again as they deviate further and

06:31:23.880 farther away from their original multiplicity understanding they reject multiplicity because

06:31:29.960 the divine becomes so abstract that it's like it gets boiled down to one god and and you know i've

06:31:36.760 heard atheists say no it's polytheism monotheism and then atheism is the natural progression

06:31:42.200 or what have you and i've heard monotheists say no it's that um you know polytheism and

06:31:47.720 atheism are derivatives off the one singular truth um of of the universal god or god uh head or or

06:31:56.840 whatever um but i think that ultimately from us being hard polytheists we see it a different way

06:32:03.320 is that um that it's a rejection from nature which is multiplicity which is the multiple gods which

06:32:10.920 is the powers that intercorrelate throughout and weave things. There's no one string that

06:32:18.380 makes the basket, if you will. And it's made of multiple parts. And that atheism is just a

06:32:25.420 rejection of divinity and monotheism is just a rejection of nature and cramming all of the

06:32:32.900 multiplicity of the divine into one thing. And that ultimately, I would argue monotheism leads

06:32:39.560 to atheism because you're no longer interconnected there's no um true deep sense of of relationship

06:32:47.640 between the powers of the universe it just becomes abstract and and eventually absent

06:32:53.640 um in the in the derivative of it so yeah i agree with you um as i go the it's it's

06:32:59.480 yeah it's like a rejection um yeah so the next question would you say european christianity

06:33:07.640 is just euro paganism with a christian coat of paint no because that grossly oversimplifies it but

06:33:21.240 yes in the sense that

06:33:26.760 and when you say european christianity i'm talking about medieval catholicism

06:33:31.240 When you start getting into Protestantism, you start being more authentically Christian, I would say, or authentically biblically Christian.

06:33:43.780 Medieval Catholicism incorporates lots of different Aryan paganisms and pagan practices.

06:33:58.100 They create their own thing. It's not that there's no Judeo-Christian element to it, but it's very, very heavily drawn from the folk soul of European paganism and of European peoples.

06:34:16.420 And it is certainly a very, very heavy mixture of the two with obvious, very large scoops of European paganism that it's built on.

06:34:38.880 So it's not just, it's not just that they kept going with European paganism, but called Odin Jesus. Like, it's not that simple.

06:34:54.880 But there is massive, massive elements of the religious flow of our people and our folk soul.

06:35:02.220 that impetus did take a christian coat of paint i've always said that i believe there would be

06:35:10.520 a very similar structure in the development of our faith i think there would be a very similar

06:35:16.140 you know we'd have the cathedrals they just have different pictures on stained glass

06:35:19.880 i think a lot of that is true but i think to say that it's just european paganism with some

06:35:26.860 christianity like painted over top of it isn't that's not quite fair and doesn't quite tell the

06:35:32.700 whole story what what's a useful one i think you can see a lot of it in uh the worship of mary

06:35:39.240 uh in in one in that respects i can definitely see it like the the trinity and the tripartite

06:35:47.780 And in the desire to worship the mother goddess, and I'm not talking of like earth goddess, I'm talking mother goddess or the one of motherhood and of, which is for us is Lady Frigg.

06:36:05.900 You can see that in there. I even jokingly said, you know, that they just made the gods mortal in order to kind of substantiate their needs that are intrinsically in their blood.

06:36:22.060 But they just, in certain sense, yes, they have slapped, I think, the intrinsic ideal, but there's a lot that is so, it's too complicated to just state that.

06:36:38.580 Is there Mithraism in Christianity? Absolutely. Is there tenets of, you know, the philosophes, whether it's, you know, Aristotle or Plato or how much, you know, does philosophy affect both Catholicism and Protestantism, whether you're talking about, you know, like Hegelian dialectics within the Protestant church and its effects on their concepts of the self and the divine?

06:37:08.580 And there's so much more involved. But I think the one thing that is overtly present is the mortality of Christianity versus our, our view of divinity as not being mortal, but being more than and not, you know, we would see it as divine, perhaps, you know, interacting as, as dominion over

06:37:38.580 powers that influx into the middle, uh, and that we are made of the material, but that the material

06:37:43.920 is not sullied or dirty or evil, but that, uh, we are intrinsically connected to the grander powers

06:37:50.380 of divinity that come from multiple different angles, um, to make the center. Uh, they, at the

06:37:57.300 same time, they disconnect from the divinity of the greater and then, uh, abjugate it through an

06:38:05.780 avatar a mortal avatar or a mortal woman or you know and mortal saints and things like that they

06:38:11.940 they um yeah it's it's very complicated i think but at the end of the day when you go further

06:38:20.540 further back you follow the leaf down to the root and you get there is the the tenets of the faith

06:38:26.780 are entirely built in the tanakh and the tanakh states very very clearly certain rules and aspects

06:38:32.720 that the uh the children of israel should follow and now they're it's gotten to the point where

06:38:38.080 people are arguing no well we're the real children of the of israel israel or they're you know it

06:38:45.040 it gets so mortalized and so material and so based in the physical if you look at the details that

06:38:54.320 that their divinity becomes abstract so yeah all right next question matt i apologize if this

06:39:04.240 question seems redundant i understand also true being pan-germanic but how exactly is it pan-arian

06:39:12.400 justify to me why a person of greek or roman descent should be also true

06:39:17.600 our people come from a common root the original romans the original uh hellenics were

06:39:33.520 blonde-haired very nordically featured people

06:39:37.840 um we come from a similar stock you can see that you can trace those commonalities in our religion

06:39:47.920 in our language in the you can trace the movement of our culture back to a very early stage

06:39:55.600 we separated relatively late in the course of our race in geologic terms

06:40:04.480 um there's truth or there's not we didn't just go different places and decide to make up religion

06:40:13.480 that's not real that's not what we do that's not true it's not based in truth

06:40:19.540 our gods clearly existed at the birth of our race and guided our race as we've developed

06:40:28.700 those gods exist and are absolute our relationship with those gods changed and evolved as different

06:40:39.020 groups of people split off and migrated in different directions the most

06:40:46.300 I would say the most complete, the least adulterated, and the most accessible to an

06:41:01.980 English-speaking public understanding of our gods came through the Germanic peoples and finally

06:41:09.460 settled in the Scandinavian epic literature of the 1200s. That's where the most complete and best

06:41:22.900 version of the Aryan faith landed. It was largely wiped out in many other places,

06:41:32.520 or it became mutated to the point of comic relief

06:41:36.280 and vulgarity in the Mediterranean very often,

06:41:40.220 eventually by the time we have a lot of deep record of it. 0.50

06:41:46.100 So that's one reason. 0.99

06:41:48.400 The truth is that all of the Aryan folk

06:41:51.340 go back to a divine source.

06:41:55.960 Celebrating and worshipping that divine source

06:41:58.340 is imperative for us to do.

06:42:01.280 The best way to do that as a race is through the Nordic lens.

06:42:08.580 The other thing is, because that's how it all shook out.

06:42:13.920 But if things didn't happen, if there wasn't the romantic revivals in Sweden and England and Germany and Denmark and later Iceland and Norway in the end of the 1800s and early 1900s,

06:42:36.660 If instead that was what was going on in Italy and Greece, then maybe we'd have a different answer today.

06:42:45.540 If in the 1960s, you know, rather than Odin reaching out to Steve McNallan, maybe Jupiter reached out to Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo over in Italy, maybe that'd be different.

06:43:03.180 But it wasn't.

06:43:04.560 And the shape and language and names, nomenclature and everything else of our folk was resurgent through its Norse conception.

06:43:20.000 That's what lit a fire to a resurgent ethnic paganism in Europe.

06:43:25.440 That's what has motivated all of our successes.

06:43:29.260 That's why that is the path forward for our race in embracing our traditional faith.

06:43:36.860 That's what's going to bring us successfully to the best relationship with our gods.

06:43:41.720 It's not theory. It's what's literally been happening for the last 54 years.

06:43:47.980 So that's the, you know, that's the horse we're going to continue to ride.

06:43:52.480 That's the that's what's worked. That's what all of our relationship has been on.

06:43:56.980 The what-ifs are nice to ask, but that's not how it do. 0.55

06:44:03.660 Honestly, we have not seen the same thing happen in other branches of Arian belief.

06:44:10.300 We have not seen serious, modern, and evolving currents in that.

06:44:16.280 We've not seen that be a lively thing. 0.98

06:44:18.520 We've seen paganism be debased to where it equals homosexuality and license for perversion under an atheistic orgy of perversion under the, oh, this is fun and silly. 0.98

06:44:36.860 Let's just pretend we worship Greek gods because they're cool with orgies, right? 0.99

06:44:42.560 And that's disrespectful to our faith. 0.67

06:44:45.720 The only revision of our faith, the rebirth of our faith that's happened with legitimacy has been done through the Nordic nomenclature and understanding of our gods, our goddesses.

06:44:59.800 I say that in Eastern Europe, there are other things going on that I think are also really nice to see. 0.93

06:45:06.800 But we have not seen that from the Latins. We've not seen that from the Greeks. We've not seen that from the Celts. We never have. 0.52

06:45:15.720 This is where we are, and this is why we go with the winner and move forward.

06:45:21.920 It works out well for those of us that are heavily Germanic in our stock,

06:45:27.100 but it is authentic, and it goes back to the authentic and real gods of our race

06:45:31.960 under the names that have been the most successful and led to the most victory

06:45:36.680 and are what's moving forward right now.

06:45:39.980 So that's why we suggest folks get on the bus.

06:45:43.360 it's fun what's your what's your statement on that you know i have seen uh small like hellenic

06:45:51.720 blips here and there going and and that that is good i think if somebody culturally sees their

06:45:57.680 the the the drive but at the same time like most people think of um the empirical

06:46:04.760 solidification of of unity um in a in a sense that uh empirical unity is uh conquer it just

06:46:14.440 conquers but a lot of times too uh if someone relinquishes and says yes i'm greek or i'm italian

06:46:21.720 but i see the the the germanic gods as the unmolested form of the arian god heads

06:46:33.320 at the most unmolested i would say um that and i wish to to join in that or i speak english

06:46:41.520 because i i may be greek but i speak english i live in america i'm i'm culturally raised in a

06:46:47.760 in a germanic angelo um you know culture i am this is who i am as a person even though i you

06:46:57.200 know my maybe my great grandparents were greek or what have you i'm gonna step forward on this

06:47:02.960 i don't think that there's any real contestment to say oh you can't do that um instead what we

06:47:08.400 should do is um respect if somebody wants to go in the route of like with the slavs or with the

06:47:16.320 hellenics but if they wish to come and you know unify i don't think we should stop that the the

06:47:24.000 uh the the banner is broad and wide um with the the intent of understanding that they

06:47:33.280 they are speaking a teutonic language they are worshiping the teutonic gods and that ultimately

06:47:39.040 our people do source back at one point and now we're coalescing again um and again what i'll

06:47:46.080 say ago they said is during that coalescence of all of these branches coming together especially

06:47:51.040 here in america our the teutonic gods the culturally that's they have remained they have survived um

06:48:02.880 and so at a certain point it's like you you can purity spiral it to fragmentation or you can

06:48:10.960 uh grab the banner and bring glory absolutely um the hoffs all have animals associated with them

06:48:22.080 have you all decided on an animal that will be uh on tiershoff's house mark the eagle the eagle

06:48:30.000 will be the kinfilia of tiershoff we've got some cool plans on that already and

06:48:36.400 have talked about that but that's absolutely the plan for tiershoff um human manipulation nation

06:48:43.600 it's good to see you got a question from you are there any dietary guidelines or prohibited products

06:48:51.760 put forth for the folk for example cannabis caffeine any idea about ideals about alcohol

06:49:01.120 consumption um no i suppose the guideline is especially when you're mentioning cannabis

06:49:08.960 and caffeine and things like that the afa would urge everyone listening to this program to act

06:49:17.440 in accordance with the laws of the state or uh governing agency that you live under um

06:49:25.600 outside of that no we don't have any particular dietary guidelines or

06:49:30.480 you know you can have this you can't have that um it's never been a big

06:49:37.120 a big aspect of our faith. I would say that ham is traditionally like pork products are always

06:49:49.120 have been sacred to our folk and a big thing for feasting and are reminiscent of the boar with

06:49:57.040 never-ending flesh that they feast upon in the All Fathers Hall. But no, we don't have any

06:50:04.020 dietary guidelines, ideals about alcohol consumption is don't get stupid. I mean, 0.99

06:50:11.940 it's pretty common sense. I don't mean to, I take the question very seriously, but no, it's

06:50:19.860 ennobling of our people for us to have the ability to manage ourselves and to

06:50:27.460 choose what we put into our body or what we don't and be able to have the agency to regulate that

06:50:35.740 and take responsibility for our choices if we overindulge or however that might be so that

06:50:42.400 responsibility is really incumbent upon us when there's things that you you know can have too much

06:50:47.540 of be it alcohol be it cake be whatever the problem is having you know having fork discipline

06:50:54.620 is just as important as having trigger discipline you gotta i hope that gets quoted it's a thing

06:51:03.100 um but yeah no i take i i do take your question seriously i don't don't mean to cast it off that

06:51:08.300 way anyway um i think there's societal stuff that we kind of apply oh other than don't eat

06:51:16.700 ethiopian food because it's just not good i don't know how they mess up the pancake but you would

06:51:21.580 think that a pancake is like universally you could make it right and it would be good

06:51:27.420 is that mandy tricked me into going to this ethiopian place and they're like gravy dish 0.53

06:51:35.340 things were pretty good but the little pancake you're supposed to scoop them up with it was

06:51:39.580 gross i don't know how like uh the swedish pancake thingies are good crepes are good 0.98

06:51:47.580 tortillas are good hoe cakes are good i don't know how you make a pancake that's gross 1.00

06:51:53.900 but the ethiopians figured it out 1.00

06:51:58.220 so that's that's only quasi official but i would i would highly advise that you don't eat ethiopian

06:52:05.420 food what do you guys say on this this issue swan i would say spiritually it's pretty clear

06:52:12.860 and concise that uh you know as as um all things are kind of it's not a decree it's a sense of

06:52:21.260 wisdom and what is good if you follow it will be good for you if you don't then you will you know

06:52:25.900 you will weave your own constraints but the idea is that you don't imbibe over much in anything

06:52:36.220 i think that's the key factors that you have discipline and you don't imbibe over much i

06:52:41.660 think there's cultural things especially in america and within ausa true i would say if somebody was

06:52:48.540 overly you know flaunting about how much uh you know cannabis they're they're into a lot of people

06:52:54.460 would be like uh or you know i think that's more societal not religious but the over imbibement 0.74

06:53:00.860 and the losing of wits is really really a kind of ever looming um warning within the halvamal

06:53:11.420 and just in general with it within our culture is that uh even you know even cows know when to stop

06:53:17.100 eating and go to the barn and if you don't have the that common sense then you're you will be

06:53:22.300 looked down upon or people will societally pressure you in a way because societal pressure

06:53:28.700 is a real thing tribal pressure is a real thing it's what we have to keep people in you know in

06:53:34.780 line and going off the rails peer pressure cuts both ways it's very apropos and like

06:53:42.140 woke and socially cool now to act like peer pressure is bad

06:53:46.300 there are numerous bad ways you can use peer pressure but there's a myriad of

06:53:51.500 great ways you can use it as well one of those is don't get sloppy drunk and don't get fat

06:53:56.860 um the next one are you going to or considering having the astro academy in other languages too

06:54:08.140 and i saw a little bit of the chat where this was discussed to kind of

06:54:12.060 disambiguate this a little bit as far as offering the curriculum in different language if we had

06:54:18.860 international students who want to be involved one of the things that we're still fleshing first

06:54:24.620 yes that would be great if we have an afa member with a child in a foreign country that

06:54:30.540 i say foreign it's all relative but in a country that's not the united states that wants to

06:54:35.820 be involved in the australia academy we'll bend over backwards to make that happen

06:54:40.140 one of the things um that's most special about it is even and this is asked from

06:54:47.340 um finn wraith i believe i believe this person's in finland but i'm not sure um anyways assuming

06:54:58.740 that you are um in the united states every state has their own guidelines so one of the cool things

06:55:06.120 as we've been building curriculum we tailor it to the students who are involved and every time we

06:55:11.920 a student from a different state we're able to look at that state's guidelines and perfect and

06:55:18.160 hone our curriculum to make it work and fit there that's one of the really special things

06:55:22.880 if we have parents that are scared like well what if what if my homeschooling doesn't fit

06:55:27.520 my state's requirements we walk and hold people's hand through that to make sure that it does

06:55:33.440 and then we have a template for other children in that state same thing applies to other countries

06:55:39.040 so far we haven't had that come up some people have been asking about different canadian

06:55:43.280 provinces some of them recognize homeschooling some of them don't but internationally especially

06:55:50.000 outside of you know former british territories where english is not the predominant language

06:55:56.160 we haven't had it come up but if we did we would do our very best to make that work for for kids

06:56:02.000 in that place too we're really committed to that and uh yeah we would definitely be be willing to

06:56:08.240 put in the work to try to make that happen um so last question not a real question but about the

06:56:19.760 pancakes in ethiopia are they made of flies from off the sick after having tasted them

06:56:30.320 i can't definitively say no i'm gonna assume not if you're listening to this in ethiopia

06:56:36.960 if your ancestors come from ethiopia whatever your situation is fix the pain don't really think

06:56:42.000 that your pancakes are made out of flies i do think you'd be better served with some bisquick

06:56:47.840 and just figuring it out in a different way i'm sorry for your pancakes not working out

06:56:56.320 um a little bit loopy but that's because it's a record broadcast we're we're almost at the seven

06:57:03.040 hour mark um thank you guys so much everybody who asked your questions we had a couple of silly

06:57:12.160 questions here and there but overall we had a lot of really great questions that are topics i think

06:57:16.480 a lot of people have given a lot of thought to um there's absolutely such thing as a stupid question

06:57:22.480 i'm not going to play that game there's plenty of those in this world but there's also a lot

06:57:26.400 of questions that other people are scared to ask that it's really nice when somebody

06:57:31.520 steps up and asks so i think that's really good um we've got one more question that popped up

06:57:41.920 because i was a little bit too verbose in getting out of here i'll wrap up quick when we're done

06:57:46.480 with the next question so so we can get some sleep but i think the next one is is a is a good one um

06:57:55.120 this is the last question in order to get the stream over seven hours they're trying to push

06:57:59.360 it this next two minutes that's fine we'll do it um we'll rise to the occasion what are some

06:58:05.840 of your favorite children's books either from your own childhood or from being a parent um

06:58:11.600 Um, honestly, Aubrey's not old enough to get a lot of books.

06:58:16.380 So as a parent, I don't have a great amount of experience on it.

06:58:19.260 But what I remember a lot was, um, kind of an illustrated version of the, the fable about

06:58:28.260 the emperor's new clothes.

06:58:30.240 And I think that the lesson of the emperor's new clothes has stuck with me my entire life.

06:58:38.020 And I thought it was really, really important.

06:58:40.600 I remember my dad reading it to me when I was real little in my bed in my bedroom.

06:58:45.980 He'd read it.

06:58:46.600 And this illustration, I remember the emperor in it. 0.96

06:58:49.720 It was hilariously funny to me because he was, you know, his butt was exposed and he was naked. 0.96

06:58:55.540 And I chuckled at that as a little kid. 0.96

06:58:59.460 But the lesson in that about the emperor's new clothes, it was.

06:59:04.220 It was funny.

06:59:07.220 Funny, ironic, funny, interesting.

06:59:09.800 During all of the COVID hysteria, my dad was really on the mask up and hide in the bunker and get the 15 different versions of the vaccine, and he was all in on that side.

06:59:30.460 and i was trying to talk to him through the lens of the emperor's new clothes

06:59:39.000 about calling bs on some stuff and it was really

06:59:44.560 surreal to where i feel like i had internalized that story that he taught me so much

06:59:52.740 and it seems like he didn't or he didn't get the point of what he was teaching me

06:59:58.220 um and so I thought that was really very very poignant during that time but yeah the Emperor's

07:00:06.260 New Clothes I think was the thing that stuck with with me the most as far as you know children's

07:00:11.600 books that my parents read to me uh what do you have fun um I was looking for one in particular

07:00:19.040 but I also have this one this one is a personal favorite The Northern Path uh by Douglas Rossman

07:00:26.000 it's um it's a storytellers um uh re telling of the adas uh it's really good and it's really

07:00:36.780 great for your children there is also one uh well it's it's great for the adult to be able to speak

07:00:42.080 to the child um and it's very digestible when we we talk about uh there's also a book by kevin

07:00:49.060 grossly holland that's really good but it's a little bit more for like i think a teenager

07:00:54.800 um as far as the gods and the stories of the gods there was one too and i'm it's simply

07:01:01.440 called norse mythology um it is i you know when i went over to midsummer i found it in the

07:01:11.200 office at odin's off and it um absolutely struck me as one of like a really beautiful almost

07:01:18.240 medieval chivalric telling of the stories of the gods especially balder's drama balder's death is

07:01:26.640 is you know amazing um but it the the problem is is finding because norse myths is just such a

07:01:36.880 broad title that i can't seem to find it but it was written by two sisters uh back in the late

07:01:44.480 1800s early 1900s and it's the the way in which they speak about the gods almost in the sense of

07:01:54.960 the true grandioseness of nobility of the gods is they speak of frigga being in a in her they

07:02:02.960 even say the word in her crystalline salon and i was you know just like blown away by just they're

07:02:10.240 like you know what we're going this is uh you know uh balder speaks of the the shadow mark upon his

07:02:17.680 heart and he's afraid to release it upon the world and um and and then odin sees that mark

07:02:23.920 and says it's the mark of death and it's just so beautifully done i love reading from it um

07:02:31.200 so that book and the uh the northern path and i'll try to get that book i know it's actually

07:02:36.320 upstairs in my on my bookshelf um i just can't go up there and get it right now uh yeah dalaris's

07:02:43.200 book uh is i would say a staple especially in relation to pictures and art in relation um

07:02:51.360 sometimes i think it's a little it's it's odd and funny uh in certain parts um especially in

07:02:58.400 relation to like the way they they draw um emir but uh another beautiful thing is like they they

07:03:05.600 show oven villian vey with uh solaric head halos and uh that's wonderful and i think it's it's the

07:03:15.600 starting to um conceptualize the gods outside of you know like i think the way a lot of people

07:03:21.360 want to view them as being you know viking shoulder pelt stuff um but as far as like books for for

07:03:29.440 kids um just in general i was actually just recommending to one of my clients um sons uh my

07:03:38.080 side of the mountain i really really like that book i think that's a great book for young uh men

07:03:43.520 to read that are coming into their um uh man making it's about a young boy who who uh runs

07:03:49.680 off into the catskill mountains and lives in a tree and tames a falcon and uh you know survives

07:03:56.800 the winter and uh and realizes why he ran away um uh was probably not good um and i think this is

07:04:07.920 more just a of a sentimental sense is uh i i remember one of my favorite books growing up was

07:04:14.400 the bridge to terabithia that was a um pretty poignant book growing up when i was like 10

07:04:22.800 for me to read and and really kind of you know uh very very sad book um but i don't know that's uh

07:04:31.360 that's that would be my take on those all right well i appreciate you guys thank you it is a

07:04:40.480 point of reference it's 1 a.m here it is 4 a.m where spawn's at um victory never sleeps and

07:04:48.720 neither do we but we look it's been a great show and i look forward to talking to you guys next

07:04:53.840 time until then hail the gods hail the folk hail the afa and remember victory never sleeps okay

07:05:18.720 We'll be right back.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - September 07, 2023

9⧸6⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 61 - ᚾᛁᛃ

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