00:37:23.600And I think that's just as valid as anything else.
00:37:27.020If the founder of modern Ausitru decides to initiate a spiritual practice that's just as authentic and legitimate as an unknown gothy in the Viking age coming up with something that comes down to us in writing, everything has to start someplace.
00:37:46.400And if people don't buy into your practice now because, you know, it's not ancient, maybe in a thousand years it will be.
00:37:54.280I think that's one thing, just interestingly enough, watching people's conversations, especially on social media, the accusations of LARPing, if you will.
00:38:09.720You want to reattain some authenticity through ancient practice, but in being honest with yourself, you can't entirely.
00:38:21.160There's also cross-examination with other Aryan branches of paganism to kind of compare and incorporate.
00:38:29.420But there's also new stuff you have to do or you should do.
00:38:33.380And ultimately, you know, the more you try to authenticate into ancient practice as being only this way or that way and dressing that way or doing things in such an extremely set sense, then the accusation of LARPing kind of sticks home a little bit more.
00:38:52.800You know, and I think that you find also true in a community is constantly battling with those forces of authenticity with ancient power and conforming or not conforming to modern practices, you know, dress it wearing a tie and and and nice clothes and but it's pick and choose, you know, it's like, you know, it's okay to have a modern haircut, but it's not okay to wear a suit and tie.
00:39:22.800you know or or but if we wear tunics then the christians will call us larpers
00:39:26.820and you end up in this silly game of walking on eggshells about it and if you wear a tunic
00:39:33.720i will also call you a larper yeah and and again i mean there's that's where the meme of like the
00:39:42.560viking and the crusader uniting is from the modern practice of wearing a tunic right and that's fair
00:39:49.400enough to say too that some christians do also larp often with their crusader stuff or do they
00:39:54.580i mean i i don't know i i don't think larping applies to us the way they use it as an insult
00:40:00.160and in in verse we can't necessarily one of the biggest things that hurts
00:40:06.000also true um but really everything in western society today is this negative
00:40:18.140snarky sarcastic everything that's not your cup of tea or something that somebody thought of
00:40:27.280before you did we need to somehow denigrate and make fun of and uh it'd be a much better world
00:40:33.880if we could get away from that yeah i think cynicism is is a poison well and it's and i
00:40:40.720don't think people really give a lot of thought to where that comes from and it comes from the
00:40:46.340soul sickness that we talk about on this program so often, if you feel that there's, you can't
00:40:53.580possibly win and that the deck is always stacked against you, then people throw up their hands and
00:40:59.620why even try? And we are pretty deep into generations of people now that have unfortunately
00:41:06.000succumbed to that. And it's one of the themes of this program is for us to try to break out of that
00:41:14.220mindset and focus on all the amazing things we can do and, uh, figuring out what runic stuff
00:41:21.560works for you. Great. Don't pretend you're a Viking, but if you want to do styler because
00:41:27.620you think it's going to help you internalize the rooms or because you think it's cool or
00:41:33.500whatever reason, go out there and knock yourself out. Um, if somebody else is doing something
00:41:40.200better than you then fine take their barbs but it's really hard to take a lot of a lot of crap
00:41:45.960off a guy sitting in in the couch on mom's basement eating pizza rolls complaining about
00:41:50.520what everybody else is doing um you're always going to have critics it's just a thing right
00:41:58.120so our next question um by the same gentleman i assume it's a gentleman uh alcohol seems pretty
00:42:03.880prevalent in aussitrew what if you don't drink though a couple of things first and i'm sure
00:42:10.440he'll elaborate on this 50 of your broadcasters do not drink so if i'm drinking uh i'm drinking
00:42:18.520for two i'm having one for swan um cheers so it's interesting that you say that because i think a
00:42:28.040lot of us who've been involved in austria for a really long time see that there's much
00:42:33.800less drinking in house of truth than there once was um yeah there was a time and you know steve
00:42:41.680and sheila will attest to this you know back in the 80s heavy drinking was the norm um we've really
00:42:48.140cut down on that uh not a lot of drinking at events outside of ritual context if they're you
00:42:55.440know if they're an overnight event then people sit around the campfire and have a few beers or
00:42:59.140something. I mean, you see me drinking on the show plenty, I
00:43:04.300clearly don't, you know, I'm not opposed to that. Drinking
00:43:09.860culture within Ausitru, I'd say is gone. It's gotten put in a
00:43:15.340much more reasonable place. One of the things that in this
00:43:21.580varies far from your question, but it's to add some
00:43:23.860perspective, and I think it's an interesting topic to bring up.
00:43:29.140so when also true got reforged and restarted in the 70s and the 80s it was a lot of a lot of
00:43:43.240single guys or guys that would go do this and leave their wife and kids at home and so there
00:43:50.820was a much heavier heavier drinking culture then as families have gotten around and not as a like
00:43:57.700prudish like oh we shouldn't drink around the kids but just as a practical thing you know
00:44:02.280somebody's got to drive the kids home somebody's got to turn in early because the kids have to go
00:44:06.700to sleep somebody's got to be watching the kids there's just practically it's kind of
00:44:12.320it's waned in how often people are drinking at a lot of these events and um you know there were
00:44:21.280times early and it's not fair early it's been quite a while but when i first started going to
00:44:29.520national events you know 13 years ago there were times where somebody may have a little bit too
00:44:38.400much and it become a problem really hasn't been at events that i've been to in a very very long time
00:44:45.600and so that's been nice a couple things to be said about it that are
00:44:52.160that are important first to your question what if you don't you don't have to drink to
00:44:56.960practice house the tree you don't have to drink at all um it's not even going to seem odd except for
00:45:06.000during parts of bloat and sumble when everyone's drinking and even then something that i've
00:45:11.920sometimes i forget and i try to be aware of it because i do drink sometimes it's not at
00:45:16.160the front of my mind that others don't but very often when i do ritual um usually for whatever
00:45:24.000reason usually not sambal but at bloat i'll have i'll very often have a second horn full of
00:45:29.600sparkling cider for people who don't drink because we have kids that participate and i
00:45:33.280want them to fully participate but we also have adults that for one reason or another don't say
00:45:40.320we have pregnant ladies and they feel uncomfortable doing that that's perfectly fine we've got other
00:45:46.160people that have battled alcoholism and don't drink anymore to keep on with their sobriety
00:45:52.320also a perfectly noble reason not to want to want to do that and we've got other people that
00:45:59.200for a variety of other reasons decide that they're not drinking that day or for whatever
00:46:04.640reason they're not going to do it and that's fine that's not odd you wouldn't even stand out
00:46:09.680so don't please don't worry about that that's not something you should ever worry about
00:46:15.120now ritually drinking is historically important in our religious practice
00:46:21.440you may notice that you know a full one of our major two rituals is about ritualized drinking
00:46:29.760and if you read tacitus talks about how our ancestors drunk quite a bit
00:46:33.520and probably what we would consider over much. Now, keep in mind, when Tacitus is writing about
00:46:44.040this, he's writing about war bands. And when you get, you know, the young warriors in a group are
00:46:51.040going to sit around and they're going to drink hard. That's just kind of a maxim amongst our
00:46:55.240people since the dawn of time within society though there's the idea that when you
00:47:04.920finding that equilibrium to where you're a little bit buzzed but you're not drunken out of control
00:47:11.480of your faculties makes you open up more makes you more socially willing to engage with a group
00:47:19.400and to share about yourself that's what we do ensemble a lot is tell
00:47:24.520you know personal stories about our families or our friends or loved ones and there's something
00:47:30.680valuable to lubricating that process a little bit as a matter of fact um i learned relatively
00:47:40.600late in life i don't know why it escaped me but the latin the latin proverb in vino veritas
00:47:47.240us from wine truth originated as a reference to to our fault to the Germans because this was a part
00:47:57.300of their sample ritual is they would drink and they would fully open themselves up and not be
00:48:03.200scared of looking bad or scared of how the other guy you know the rival across the fire is going
00:48:08.020to view what they say they'd speak from their heart and then when everybody was clear-headed
00:48:13.220in the morning they'd make a final decision on how to act if it was a council war or something
00:48:17.700but the idea of a little bit of drink getting you in a place where you're more comfortable
00:48:23.060opening up and you're a little bit more spiritual place that is that is a truth that i think
00:48:28.180is relevant to our ritual and how we do some things but yeah there's please don't let the
00:48:37.740thought that you would be the odd man out if you're not drinking hold you back that's not
00:48:44.220at all the case at any you know any afa event you go to that's that wouldn't even seem odd we've got
00:48:51.420quite a i think i'd say probably a fifth of the adults at any event won't drink a drop for
00:49:00.620various reasons i would say maybe half to through to a half to three quarters might have a beer or
00:49:10.940wine or something at dinner but i mean there's a significant number of people that don't drink and
00:49:16.060i don't think that's odd or would make you stand out at all it's fun what are your thoughts on it
00:49:20.940well one i i don't drink recreationally um i know uh it might seem i sometimes i look at these cans
00:49:28.940they kind of look like something that would be out but these are this is just water uh with
00:49:33.740carbonation in it um and uh you know an energy drink just to make sure that we're gonna if we're
00:49:40.300gonna do another six hour i'm gonna be here for it but um yeah i don't i don't drink recreationally
00:49:46.300at all i only drink and bloat and i only drink and stumble but you don't have to in either um
00:49:53.500I, again, I've seen folks hold the horn because the, the, the ritual mechanic that I think a lot
00:50:00.760of people don't realize is it's not always about the consumption, like perhaps in the very paganistic
00:50:08.760Christianity of drinking, you know, the blood the our mechanic is understanding that the horn
00:50:17.480is a receptacle of power, uh, emotion, mental power, might, whatever it might be, the air of
00:50:26.100the room, the, the speaking from the heart and truth, and that you place in that liquid, your
00:50:32.120intent in, it doesn't have to actually cross your lips. It can be put in by your hand. I've seen
00:50:37.960people put their, their, uh, forehead to the horn. And I mean, it's worth noting, like during COVID
00:50:43.880and all of that. There was people that were drinking. There were people that were touching
00:50:48.200the horn. I don't think that it was truly an interesting time in there because I wondered
00:50:57.920about how the mechanics of understanding, but it didn't seem to change at all. Nobody changed
00:51:02.820anything at all. People that drink, they drank from the horn. People who touched the horn to
00:51:08.660the forehead touched the horn to the forehead. Some people kissed the horn. There's lots of
00:51:13.020different ways sometimes people place their hand on their heart and place their hand on the horn
00:51:16.960to transfer because the horn is carried as a vessel in order as a gift to the gods and so it's
00:51:25.340the the mead itself is being given to the gods but it's more than just the mead it's the people
00:51:30.840present it's the feeling and the emotion and the the power that they place into the horn and so
00:51:36.880with bloat it doesn't necessarily even require you to drink it's you're giving a drink to the
00:51:42.620gods. And that drink is more than just, you know, alcohol. I want to, I don't know, contextualize
00:51:51.880that a little bit. And if we think about Sumble, yes, Sumble is about drinking alcohol. That's a
00:51:59.960big part of it. Because like I said earlier, it's about opening up and sharing. You certainly don't
00:52:05.280have to do that. You know, we've got some people that are wide open socially, and they are happy
00:52:10.920to share regardless. And that's great. We have some people, it's a struggle and can overcome it.
00:52:15.920It is a tool in that the sharing of the drink together is something that brings our people
00:52:22.220closer. But as I've said on the show many times, perfect need not be the enemy of good.
00:52:30.040The most perfect ideal situation is you drink during ritual when you're supposed to drink,
00:52:36.000because that's the most perfect way to do it when you throw in if you're an alcoholic who's struggling
00:52:43.040no breaking your sobriety and spiraling yourself in a downslide of of of failures that you've tried
00:52:51.200very hard to overcome that's not positive the juice isn't worth the squeeze um so these are
00:52:59.520these are all things to to think about now drinking in uh in bloat it's kind of in a way
00:53:08.080like the runic yoga that we spoke about it helps a lot of people
00:53:17.360internalize and actualize the act of receiving so
00:53:22.800So the gods clearly don't drink the mead that we pour out to them or pour into the fire.
00:53:30.600Like they don't creep up after the ritual and drink the mead.
00:53:34.400That's it's it's obviously symbolic in that way.
00:53:38.160They do, in fact, receive our well wishes and receive our gifts.
00:53:44.080It's a symbol and a tangible way for us to see the transferring of something physically from one thing to another in a liquid way.
00:53:52.360but that's a recreation and a modern innovation our ancestors they would bloat with you know
00:53:58.600with a slain animal and with blood and they weren't drinking the blood they were being splattered
00:54:02.920with it oftentimes in bloat when we have a large number of people we don't drink because it just
00:54:09.800takes too much time and it's not logistically feasible so yeah exactly so we use an evergreen
00:54:16.840sprig or another tool a hlout time and we'll um dip that in the meat and splash people with it
00:54:24.840and we do that all the time it's just fine and obviously it works well
00:54:28.920but it engages the senses and it's one of the things when you taste the alcohol
00:54:35.960it triggers something in your head where you feel like you're drinking it you feel like you're
00:54:40.600you're consuming that blessing that's being offered to you in the same way when you get
00:54:45.880splash with it one thing that i really like that i think is really distinctive about a good mead
00:54:51.400is it's got a really strong um honey bouquet to it so you smell it when they come around and they
00:54:57.800splash the guy next to you and then you you breathe in you get that smell of honey and it's
00:55:03.800it's really kind of special um steve uh steve mcnallan he you know he's a drinker he's got
00:55:10.280no issue with drinking i've drank with him many times but he doesn't drink mead outside of ritual
00:55:17.320because he wants to keep that taste that smell that experience to be special and it's it's special
00:55:25.160during bloat ensemble so there's a lot of different attitudes on that but yeah don't
00:55:30.360let that hold you back i definitely think that the ausentia folk assembly um the overall
00:55:37.480all, you know, national events, bloats, symbols. It is very, very tamed, mild consumption is always
00:55:47.920seen as more as erring on the better side of responsibility. There's not a sense of, you know,
00:55:55.340especially during bloat or during symbol, you know, being debaucherous. There's times to joke
00:56:01.260and have a good time, but that's not one of them. Perhaps, like you said, afterwards when people are
00:56:05.640around the fire, but even then it's, it's wildly, I think far more tame than like, say, you know,
00:56:12.960going to some, uh, you know, bonfire party or something. That's not, it, it doesn't quite have
00:56:18.660that same zeal. Um, and I think, you know, when, like you had said, considering if people are not
00:56:25.560staying the night, then obviously imbibing seems to be greatly reduced because nobody wants to,
00:56:31.020you know, drink and drive or any of that stuff. So it's like, I think ultimately the air of
00:56:37.220responsibility floats heavily on the person, but also the community and erring on the side of being
00:56:43.180wiser is always seen as more positive. Even if you're abstaining because you have alcohol issues,
00:56:49.400that's again, wise and shows a sense of responsibility, which no one would look down
00:56:56.160at you on for that no not at all and our next one in a completely different but also uh
00:57:08.400this question is one that i think a lot of people have
00:57:12.240and it's one that the answer is not as clean as people would like it to be
00:57:17.680so the question is do you believe there are one to one equivalents between pantheons
00:57:23.360For example, Tyr equals Zeus, Votan equals Hermes, Thor equals Perun, etc.
00:57:34.560If separate, how do we wrap our minds around the existence of multiple Sky Fathers, Thunder Gods, and Earth Mothers?
00:57:41.800So, are there some one-to-ones? Certainly. Are there a lot of ones that translate over way less
00:58:04.740clean? Absolutely. And I think that's much more the case.
00:58:13.620I think in the most broad terms, and this is one of the reasons that the AFA's membership
00:58:21.560requirements are white people, because I think that different races, as we've always understood,
00:58:29.180stood you know the big racial grouping races have different deities responsible for their creation
00:58:36.300their existence and their soul matrix um and i don't claim to you know be an expert on or be
00:58:45.340in a position of authority to dictate how that works if you're black if you're asian if you're
00:58:51.260polynesian uh that's that's up to them and their you know their their elders and their spiritual
00:58:59.340authorities for us um the arian religiosity
00:59:12.860trying to go the right way to put this we are absolutely hard polytheists but each
00:59:19.980Each tribe of our people developed a very specific relationship with our gods in a very specific way over the millennium, over the millennium.
00:59:34.120And that looks different if you are Hellenic or if you are Latin or if you are Slavic or Celtic or Germanic. It looks different in those.
00:59:49.980i don't believe that the gods are different but the understanding of the gods is certainly
00:59:57.100different and shaped based on the relationship that those that branch of our folk built with
01:00:04.220our gods and our gods built with them versus any other you know tribe of our folk and you see
01:00:13.660you see absolutely one-for-one relationship between continental germanics saxons that
01:00:23.660conquered england and um scandinavians you see quite a bit of one-for-one in slavic faiths and
01:00:34.160also true or also true and celtic figures you see less of it in more mediterranean
01:02:43.020it's not perfectly clean like that and what i think a fallacy in that is
01:02:51.260I don't fault the person asking question at all. It's not what I intend to do with this. Please don't take offense. If we, through our study of scholastics and anthropology and sociology, determine that there must be a sky father, there must be a storm god, there must be an earth mother, and then we try to force our gods into those categories.
01:03:16.540that's difficult and unwieldy because that's not how it works
01:03:22.660those terms are terms that we use to try to better understand our gods that are
01:03:32.980that exist above and outside of those terms it's not the job of the gods to conform to the terms
01:03:41.400that we made up that we needed gods to fit these categories and they applied for the position that
01:03:46.520not how it works our attempt to understand uh mother frig isn't because she applied to be earth
01:03:57.800mother it's because we associate so much of her qualities and things about her to have
01:04:06.120have an earthly nature to them we didn't just you know odin didn't say hey i want to be called sky
01:04:13.880father today no we in interpreting and understanding of an understanding tier
01:04:22.040decided each of them has these characteristics and not going to lie to linguistically tear
01:04:29.640certainly linguistically goes to what other branches have chosen to name a father in the sky
01:04:35.720or a father of the sky um but the flow of that's really important and i've
01:04:43.480i can't overstate it i can't say it enough the gods are here humans are here and i realize you
01:04:52.600can't see my hands now they're off camera all right and so for us to try to get here and try
01:04:57.320to understand we come up with ideas and theories that help us understand the gods
01:05:05.160but the gods are right they exist no matter what our confusion or understanding is
01:05:10.920those terms like earth mother sky father storm god those are all our attempts to
01:05:18.280learn from ideally and to build a relationship with the gods not the other way around it's really
01:05:24.440important our gods don't owe you a clean explanation on who the striker who the sky
01:05:30.120father who the earth mother and who the death god is that does flesh out in the arian pantheons
01:05:38.360are we've certainly recognized that so we've created these categories and these ways of
01:05:42.840understanding it but the gods exist on their own terms we just seek to understand them better
01:05:49.720and i hope that makes sense swan what what do you have to add to that
01:05:54.040well one thing that i've definitely noticed as of late is the the desperate attempt to uh
01:06:01.720uh you know cornerstone sky father very little uh attempt to earth mother but there's just this
01:06:12.680desperation to kind of like masculine feminine with more emphasis on you know who's masculine
01:06:18.080who's sky daddy who's who is who is that uh and there's the desperation is it zeus is zeus
01:06:24.160thor zeus ovin is is indra to you know to zeus and there's this desperation for finding a
01:06:31.340singularity. I have taken a very different, so far as I can tell, just because I wanted to come
01:06:39.820at it from a humble observer. So I just stated that what I'm seeing currently right now from
01:06:45.900our culture, from our people, from our modern day, something that's going on. And I don't
01:06:51.100necessarily agree with it. I don't think that it's good to, to polarize all of the gods at being,
01:06:56.040believing in all of the gods, but slowly kind of shoving them down into a masculine and feminine.
01:07:02.040That's almost a little bit too much like Wicca for me. And the idea that, you know,
01:07:07.540everything can just be boiled down into these two kind of polarities. But I will, I'll say
01:07:15.740being an observer, I have seen other things. For instance, it seems to be that we were,
01:07:24.140we're neglecting to talk about how we our ancestors structured of faith uh or the way
01:07:32.620that they were taught the way that they interacted with the gods the way that the hierarchy that they
01:07:38.380they had in relationship with the gods is stratified um they're the commonalities between
01:07:47.420the aryan branches is what i was really trying to pick up on and what i have found is uh in a general
01:07:54.220sense that there is always uh kind of you know there is there is for us it's bore bore and best
01:08:01.580law and they're kind of that you know the the origin of the masculine feminine uh bore of course
01:08:08.540being the one that lifts up best love the one that besets but from them comes the stratification
01:08:15.340comes the hierarchy and what i find is the one thing that's very glaring about cross arian um
01:08:24.060branches is the tripartite that there's this stratification of uh some people want to say
01:08:31.740like of the sky but i don't it doesn't always pertain to that so i call them the thrones and
01:08:38.300there's a tripartite of thrones and when you start to look at that that's when you begin to
01:08:42.780see some very interesting things whether it's amongst the hindus or the ancient uh you know
01:08:48.700arian vedic traditions where um it was indra and agni and vishnu uh and that that has changed over
01:08:58.460years because their relationship has changed and there's like a cultural reflection of their
01:09:03.820interaction with with the gods we drink from a horn we gift to the gods through a horn other
01:09:09.260Aryan branches might not interact with those, with the gods in that way. They might do it through
01:09:14.620other things and, um, that's okay, but we see this tripartite. And, um, so looking and observing
01:09:22.180even further, I, it seems to me that the tripartite is always divided into three distinct
01:09:28.380things. And it's not like sky father striker, death, God, uh, giver of, of riches. What I,
01:09:37.060what i found is in my observations that there is a dynamic throne of power in which the gods will
01:09:47.620uh sit in a cultural kind of context that that that we build in interaction with them
01:09:55.380uh in these thrones and these thrones always have a dynamic uh sense to them there's one
01:10:02.660that is a catalystic scent one that breaks and um and you can you know see those correspondence or
01:10:09.700there's one that is static and so i always call the tripartite of the arian folk as a pan-aryan
01:10:16.900concept is that you see this dynamicism this catalystic and this static and sometimes the
01:10:24.340gods that are sitting in those thrones don't line up with others because again each culture
01:10:30.340pulls from the gods as they see spiritually needing uh you know where you have like uh again
01:10:38.280indra agni vishnu or you have svarog uh velez and and perun um and you know svarog is kind of this
01:10:47.340static uh throne and velez is in a dynamic throne or i mean in a very dynamic and then in you know
01:10:55.240Perun is a catalystic. So that's just me observing and trying to be humble about the understanding.
01:11:03.940I'm not trying to force the gods into positions as I am just trying to observe one, our past,
01:11:11.720one, our, you know, this is a culmination of years and years and years of worship. And then on top of
01:11:17.380that, it's fragmented because it's been observed by Christians who had antithetical views towards
01:11:22.760a lot of these, you know, the Aryan religions that they were, you know, writing notes about.
01:11:30.240But you see in the sense where like with the Hellenics, you know, the mystery of like why
01:11:38.800Hercules takes the striker form, but is seen as the daemon or, you know, half god, half man.
01:11:46.080the interesting thing about perhaps even the influence that the Phoenicians might have had
01:11:52.600on the Greeks in relation to the lightning bolt of Zeus and the lightning bolt of Baal amongst
01:11:59.040the Phoenicians. There's lots of room for discussions, but I always see this tripartite
01:12:04.700and I see a mass fragmentation of the earth. And I think it's worth noting that
01:12:11.980from an observational point, the powers of the universe are vast, and that our gods are kind of
01:12:24.440like wardens or conduits of those powers, that there isn't one all-encompassing. There isn't
01:12:32.440one, I notice this now in like modern Hinduism, where they're kind of boiling everything down
01:12:39.280into Shiva or boiling everything down into Vishnu. Um, and they're, they're kind of going again into
01:12:44.480this like monotheistic or dualistic kind of viewing and things. But, um, you know, when you,
01:12:52.440you see the, the, the, the tripartite is always there so much so that Christianity adopted it
01:12:58.880because it had been in Europe for so long that they ended up making their own tripartite because
01:13:04.420again, metagenetics are real and European Christians are still going to find their
01:13:09.480tripartite in their, their, they need the thrones. The thrones are there. Um, but you know, when you
01:13:18.420look at the, the, the earth, you see the fragmentations, you see the negative earth,
01:13:23.580the positive earth, sometimes vegetation is looked at separately from perhaps the crag,
01:13:29.800just like the ocean. There's the ocean by the shore. And then there's the deep ocean.
01:13:34.420Very similar to the Hellenic usage of Poseidon versus Oceanus.
01:13:40.380And we have, of course, Nyodhr and Ayr.
01:13:46.160So you can go and look at these and try to piece them all together.
01:13:50.820But it's better to just humbly observe and see how the gods have interacted with each culture.
01:13:57.440And in a way, like we build temples to the gods, we have built thrones to the gods.
01:14:01.780And the gods fill those thrones for us in a benevolent way in order to help us spiritually expand.
01:14:09.760And it's worth noting that even amongst Germanic people, I've seen people suggest that Woden amongst the Anglo-Saxons is a different god than Odin amongst the Norse.
01:14:19.760And that's when you start getting into this like purity spiraling of absolute insanity and moving away from the Pan-Aryan truth of understanding that the gods are entities that we interact with, but we construct the temples and they fulfill a kind of an engagement with us, the gift cycle.
01:14:41.000and in turn we culturally uh interact with them see them in certain ways perhaps we attach colors
01:14:48.060to them in certain ways that is a perfect example of that um but that that can change too even
01:14:54.960amongst the folk and it has happened before um a perfect example of this is like you had mentioned
01:15:02.400tacitus you know makes a correlation between um oven or wolden us and uh mercury uh and that you
01:15:13.920know and there's tear and uh aries and there is um uh thunor or thor and zeus he makes that
01:15:24.000equivalency but when you talk about like the the the uh adam abraham when he goes to oksala
01:15:31.540He sees a tripartite in which there is the thunderer, Thor, in the center, and then there is the god of fury, which is Odin, who's off to the side, and then the god of peace and plenty, Frey, is off.
01:15:48.440And there they have a tripartite, and that may have been just at that time.
01:15:53.120I think that an understanding of the way that we culturally interact with the gods is more importantly, what you're trying to observe. And it's different amongst whether you're talking about the Slavs, or if you're talking about, you know, Teratatus and Tyrannus and Asus amongst the Gauls, or even amongst the Truscans, and they had their tripartite, which had the thrones were, were filled by their
01:16:23.120like sky. And then they had earth mother. And then the mother of the gods, like, uh, the motherly
01:16:29.240goddess, like a, like a, the, the equivalency would be like a, a yours and a nervous army on
01:16:35.760nervous and Frigga. They had a tripartite with two female goddesses and all the gods to them
01:16:41.960in their interpretations of the, the divine could throw lightning that all of them could.
01:16:47.680So I think it's, I encourage people to go and look at the tripartite, find the tripartite in other Aryan branches. It will help you understand certain things. But then ultimately it comes down to what is your culture? You speak English, you have, you know, Gaulish and Germanic blood in you.
01:17:09.320And again, the prevalency of Germanicism is, you can't understate it. It's entirely the pinnacle and gravity of our culture. So we come from the gods in a Germanic sense, Nordic Germanic, Central Germanic, Anglo-Germanic, whatever that, you know, north, our central and northward anchoring.
01:17:39.320all right so i'm not sure if swan is frozen for everyone else he certainly is for me
01:18:02.040um checking with producer nick here on something real quick
01:18:09.480all right cool so this song's fun we'll get to whatever he was following up with here in a
01:18:29.560second until he gets back. Something else that occurred to me that I think is also part of the
01:18:34.860question. And I know that people have asked me this before. If your understanding of the gods
01:18:45.600is that they are expressed in nature, then man, if there's lightning, who's doing it? Is it Thor?
01:18:55.980Is it Zeus? Is it African Thunder God? Is it those questions make sense? And I get it.
01:19:05.980In any of our creation stories, in every every race of people has a different creation story.
01:19:14.300There is a relationship between the people in their environment.
01:19:19.540And I will say this. Our gods are not nature. Our gods interact with us very often through nature and through natural processes and forces.
01:19:35.480That is a way for us to come to understand the power of our gods better.
01:41:27.620then the next of course is that we light sacred smoke and we ask that the the prayers that we are
01:41:34.980saying will be carried up aloft so the first gift given to heimdall is the smoke the sacred smoke
01:41:42.400and we ask that in his the way he protects heaven that the sacred smoke will protect us and bless us
01:41:48.360and build our awareness higher and understanding of all things both material and divine and that's
01:41:55.800how it's kind of developed. Is that the case in every Hoff? No. And I think that that's one of
01:42:00.480the beautiful things about the Astro True Folk Assemblies. Every Hoff has a different layout
01:42:07.180based, whether it's constructurally, whether it's the size of the vey, the size of the harrow
01:42:15.100that we hold bloat at. And sometimes, you know, there's even outdoor and indoor,
01:42:21.680certain things about fire, certain Hoffs can't have open flames outside or during certain times
01:42:28.060of the year. And, um, so you have this adaptability that kind of extends, or perhaps even came from
01:42:37.700the adaptability of Ausatru, whether it's been at home and kindred events or what have you. Um,
01:42:44.660We have a kind of general surrounding of what we're doing, but we go forth into the event, whether it's the holy tide that has very specific things, whether it's a bread horse or a plow or a sacred fire or herbs are going to be burned.
01:43:02.220Almost every holy tide has something unique and different, and every temple has something unique and different.
01:43:09.520So it makes it fun when we go to other temples to see exactly how the Gothar there will go about accomplishing the bridge building that we are doing between us and the gods.
01:43:21.760And it's not always, you know, a sense of like, you know, placing candlestick in point A and horn and in, you know, sector B. It's not mapped out entirely. It's more or less done with a sense of spiritual adaptability, depending on what's going on.
01:43:44.940And that builds a kind of zeitgeist of the way that we do things.
01:43:51.580Harrows at the Hof are, you know, generally flat tables.
01:43:55.120But we've seen people have harrows at their home that are ancestral shelves or smaller tables or mantel places.
01:44:03.420I've seen wall-mounted, you know, open cabinetry or even large, like, hutches, if you will, that are used as harrows for ancestral spaces, for the land whites, and so on and so forth.
01:44:20.000Or most people have their land white harrows or horgs, actually, outside, a horg being an outdoor altar, if you will.
01:44:29.980so it does have a tendency to adapt very differently but i would say that the biggest
01:44:37.700thing to understand in bloat structure is that there are three distinct groups or time frames
01:44:44.080in the in bloat structure there's of course the separation from the mundane and that can take
01:44:50.800place through ritual cleansing uh dressing well processing to the area there's sometimes there's
01:44:57.620ringing of bells. There's prayers. Sometimes there's horns being blown. There's generally
01:45:05.040logistics of getting the folk into place and setting the area up as far as so that there's
01:45:13.560nobody getting trampled on, that the children aren't making a crazy amount of noise or what
01:45:19.560have you. And then we enter into the second part of the bloat, which is actually the exchange in
01:45:23.840which the Gothar or the presiding, let's say if you're doing this at home and you're the head of
01:45:29.040the household, you would then begin the exchange, which is gifting to the gods, gifting of whatever
01:45:37.080it might be, and everyone partaking in placing their faith into that gift, and then giving to
01:45:43.340the gods and asking if the gods see us worthy, that they would then give us in return. That's
01:45:49.760a big key thing there. I think that is, um, you know, greatly different from, I would say other,
01:45:55.260you know, practicing faith, faiths or, or, or, uh, whatever, even, even some of the, um, I guess,
01:46:02.100kind of, uh, I don't even know what we would call them, but varying views of polytheistic practice,
01:46:11.040if you will, uh, is that we seek to ask the gods that if we are worthy of their, their blessing
01:46:18.460that we we receive it and then the final part of course is the gifting over in which we take that
01:46:24.300gift and we sacredly place it away generally through fire through earth through uh water um
01:46:32.540we gift and move from there so those three things are always going to happen
01:46:37.980it's just uniquely different depending on whether or not we have uh let's say for
01:46:43.740instance we have one gothar or if it's the head of the household hey or if we have like a govi
01:46:50.860and give you that could change things greatly as well so i would say one of the big things is um
01:46:58.700every regional area every hof every kindred and even every household has a overall format
01:47:07.340that we follow, but that it can be uniquely different in certain key aspects. Every Govi
01:47:17.060performs their sacred rites in slightly different ways. And so one thing that's
01:47:25.020happened at Thorshof is it's become a coalescence of different traditions coming together,
01:47:30.540creating a streamlined effect in which we open and start ceremony.
01:47:37.340and that the need fire and the lighting of the need fire is a key component in that and again
01:47:42.300i mentioned that earlier that comes from there's a i i cannot remember the name of the document but
01:47:48.300there's a christian um codex in which they were talking about how the um you know the anglo-saxon
01:47:55.660pagans started their ceremonies by friction and creating their sacred fires um and this
01:48:03.820alludes to it being outdoors so um the lighting of the light is has become
01:48:12.060synonymous with the lighting of the need fire some of it can be done by friction some of it
01:48:15.820can be done simply as you know lighting a light from a lighter or a candle or a match um because
01:48:24.700again seeking that perfection and letting it stand in the way of what is good light the fire
01:48:31.980and, you know, make the proclamation of its need. Ultimately, it is the need of us as well,
01:48:38.760reaching out to the gods. So for newer people that are listening or for folks that
01:48:51.640have only practiced house of truth with your local group,
01:48:56.100there are many many different ways to do it the point is to be respectful and to know that you're
01:49:03.180doing you're doing something special so thorshoff has developed a pretty intricate
01:49:10.160ritual and how they light the ritual fire at in their worship space there
01:49:16.780baldurshoff has one too some other places a little bit less so the utility of getting a fire going
01:49:25.380is really important depending on where you're at and if you're doing it outside.
01:49:32.460But the idea is it is a special fire. It's not just haphazardly there. It's done with intent.
01:49:41.860It's done with intent that that's where your folk are gathering to approach the gods.
01:49:48.100And that can look a lot of different ways depending on the circumstance or on what's
01:49:52.420involved. A couple of things about that idea of fire and light being sacred to our people and in
01:50:00.140ritual. Finding Ausatru and coming home to Ausatru when I was in Alaska, there's a number of
01:50:07.260different challenges. So up there, and I'm going to mark my words, I'm going to do this again
01:50:13.140at Tiershoff when we move out to Sigurheim. But it was really important to me and to those who
01:50:20.100practice with me to observe some of our days charming of the plows kind of when we want it to
01:50:27.540be but the solstices and the equinoxes are at very precise moments in time it was important as an act
01:50:37.220of devotion that we observe those whenever they were supposed to happen regardless so you know
01:50:46.740we'd go out in the middle of a storm at 3 15 in the morning if that's when the moment of solstice
01:50:56.020was and we would go out to the horg and perform bloat so it led to some you know strategic issues
01:51:05.620we'd be in the middle of a stow storm all the woods drenched we're you know we sometimes we'd
01:51:11.460be out in the woods if it wasn't at my house and we'd be in the middle of it with i remember one
01:51:19.940want to say it was an ostara and it was just a storm it was soaking wet and we had uh we had
01:51:27.460a guy up there and his whole position his job was the fire master and it was his job
01:51:32.420to keep the fire going so he would have a gas can and perpetually every time the water was
01:51:39.540going to make the fire go out he'd splash gas on it throughout the ritual so he's constantly
01:51:44.740splashing gasoline on this fire that is struggling to go while we're doing ritual and
01:51:52.020that may seem silly or perhaps irreverent to people without
01:51:57.300who weren't there but the idea was no we're standing out in the rain getting soaked to the
01:52:02.340bone because we're going to observe this at the right time because it was really important and
01:52:06.420that's why we're doing it and yes it means we've got a doofus over there throwing gas on the fire
01:52:14.580one time he splashed this poor lady all up and down the leg of one of her pant legs
01:52:20.340with the gas while this was going on caught her pants on fire uh caught the gas can on fire
01:52:28.820that was his last time in that position just to just to let you know but
01:52:33.060but no one was hurt or, or scarred during the incident.
01:52:38.320He was putting it out there, but no, things, things like that had happened up there.
01:52:42.120Also, what was really special to us was at, um, at Yule, we would light,
01:52:51.420we'd light a big community candle to, well, okay.
01:52:57.460The idea was basically to light a flame and to tend that flame from sundown until sunup over the longest night of the year.
01:53:08.620And that really meant something up in Alaska that was, you know, from like 4, 4.30 in the afternoon until maybe 11.30 in the morning the next day.
01:53:25.480I remember one time when I was going to someone else's home when I was doing it, I lit a candle at my house at sundown and I had to like nurse this candle in the car as I drove to my friend's house, like trying to keep this candle going and make sure that the heater and the AC and like nothing blew it out.
01:53:41.500And I remember actually a couple instances of that, or we'd light them together.
01:53:46.680And if people had to go to their own homes and they couldn't stay over the night at our house where we're celebrating, they would light a candle off of our main candle and keep that candle going.
01:53:56.800But tending that flame was really important.
01:53:58.840So it can take a lot of different shapes and forms, but the idea of having a ritual fire and of tending that as an act of devotion or as a ritual act of separation is really important.
01:54:14.500Our next question, is Gleema not a martial art based on Viking fighting?
01:54:21.380um if you ask the guy that came up with Gleema in the 1970s he's going to tell you that it is
01:54:34.220I believe in his mind it is done with the spirit of how he conceived Viking fighting to be
02:03:16.760there you go if nick were faster he'd have that the more you know with the little rainbow
02:03:20.920so thoughts on tom rousel's theory on ancient north eurasians what he calls
02:03:32.920real hypervorians from siberia being the common ancestor of the indo-europeans and native americans
02:03:44.040it's fine do you have thoughts on this okay i understand where this is coming from in certain
02:03:49.800lights. Um, there is, uh, the Northern, there's a Northern tribe of Japanese that have a full
02:03:57.160facial beards. Uh, they, they don't look like what you would consider more of like the Oriental
02:04:03.920Asiatic. Um, and you know, there's a lot of debate of course, about the connection between the,
02:04:12.060the caucus or central Russian step Aryans and the possibility of them having an extension that kind
02:04:19.440of overwent Russia towards the, you know, the Bering Strait or, you know, the connection between
02:04:25.940Russia and Alaska. And that there may have been groups that descended into even where the island
02:04:30.500of Japan is that are actually of a different stock than, you know, what we see as Japanese
02:04:37.580people today. I forgot the name of the people. The women have tattoos on their faces and the men
02:04:43.820have um very large beards and they look um the japanese ones yes the i knew the i knew people
02:04:51.800yes uh and there was a there was this discussion going around and i i you know i saw um thomas
02:04:59.280rousel commenting on this and i was deeply interested in it and but uh you know there's
02:05:03.580a lot of things that we don't know so this this looks like uh and again i did see um that there
02:05:11.320are smatterings of, uh, Aryan genetics or folk genetics or Caucasian genetics within certain,
02:05:19.000uh, Northeastern Asiatic people. But the reasoning behind it might not be from
02:05:24.680entirely from migration, but if you take that and you take the, the concept of hyperborea
02:05:32.120and the North central and combine those two, then, so people are starting to kind of
02:05:38.660build connective points. And I don't know yet how viable they are. Genetics is an amazing thing.
02:05:48.160And I think that Thomas Roussel's, when he was getting a lot of slack about the invasion theory
02:05:56.440of India and how it, he was just academically getting waves and waves and waves, and he stood
02:06:03.140up against it. And then ultimately, you know, genetic kind of tracing proved that a lot of
02:06:08.980people, and he was just forefronting it at this time, showed that there was an Aryan influx
02:06:14.600into India, in the Northwest. But right now, I think, I personally don't know if it's tangible
02:06:22.140enough, or perhaps there might've been later migrations or things of that nature. And so I
02:06:28.080would separate the two. I would look at how the, if there was genetic evidence to connect,
02:06:35.200that would be interesting in how exactly it may have happened. But then the Hyperborea
02:06:40.160concept of the, of the central and Northern Siberia and the, and the folk ultimately coming
02:06:47.060from there, that's almost in a sense, kind of a separate subject. That's very interesting as well.
02:06:52.860in my opinion the point of commonality is a apparently a cherokee woman in the
02:07:00.680southeastern united states that is everyone's grandma for generations now
02:07:05.340you're talking about the uh yeah no the point that's just a really unique and strange thing
02:07:14.260that we still run into this day it seems like everyone in the
02:07:19.420i'd say pretty much everyone in the old confederacy outside of virginia
02:07:30.920has some cherokee princess grandma that somebody told him about that genetically doesn't pan out
02:07:38.380um any the the cherokee uh general that the last one to to actually stop fighting during the
02:07:47.620the uh war of northern aggression he was the last one told by general lee to like put his
02:07:54.700sword down so i think that garnered a lot of you know mystique in the south as well
02:08:00.300of the cherokee people it's a thing and i think that almost everybody runs into it and honestly
02:08:08.040it predates um just tracing that as a the cherokee princess phenomenon back it goes
02:08:15.120to the revolution and before to where there's absolutely no genetic markers, but a bunch of
02:08:22.020Southern families will, you know, they have this, this ancestral tradition that, you know, they had
02:08:29.640had some sort of, of Cherokee female ancestor. Anyways, that's a random aside. It's just funny
02:08:37.580because it's such a commonality that we see, especially from Southerners who want to join the
02:08:42.680AFA, assuring us that they've checked it out and it's not true, but they had always been told.
02:08:48.420Anyways, I'm not familiar with Thomas Roussel's specific theory on it, but I've heard a lot of
02:08:56.220different theories on how Aryan stock originally made it into the Americas.
02:09:02.960um i am thoroughly convinced that there was a infusion of that well predating
02:09:11.200colombian americans and you know predating viking age explorers as well
02:09:17.760i think there's merit to the salute the salutrian theory i think there's merit to a lot of different
02:09:25.520things what i think is fascinating but at the same time really frustrating
02:09:31.420is trying to piece that together and realizing there may be some of that we might just never know
02:09:39.280um i went on a kick this last year of reading and i know it's kind of late to the party on it
02:09:46.800but reading a bunch i i listened in the gym and on drives to every single non-fiction book
02:09:54.460that Graham Hancock wrote that made it to, you know, audio book. And I found it super fascinating.
02:10:03.680I don't agree with him on everything, but he raises so many really interesting and fascinating
02:10:08.920tidbits. It makes me wonder how that all came about. So there were absolutely white people
02:10:16.280in the Americas before Leif Erikson. How that happened, I couldn't tell you for, you know,
02:10:24.140exactly but it is true that's kind of something i say about metaphysics and the gods as well
02:10:29.500we know certain things are true we may not know how they are true or why they are true and that's
02:10:35.340kind of the point of science is to learn how to understand truths that we know to be self-evident
02:10:41.980and understand that you know kind of backfill why that's the case certainly there were white
02:10:48.140people here at one point certainly white people and indians or you know alleged native americans
02:10:59.500are uh different groups of people clearly there are asians that are closely related
02:11:07.580to native americans how that all fleshes out is fascinating to me and i wish that i had a
02:11:13.260a real solid answer on that i certainly don't know enough about it to dispute uh thomas razzle on his
02:11:19.260assessment of it why don't we talk about norse animals like the squirrel ratatasker that climbed
02:11:28.220the yggdrasil to send messages and fought with uh that's a rather full near
02:11:37.740got to break it down syllable by syllable because i'm not a native islander
02:11:41.020um because fine people like yourself have not asked that's why honestly it really doesn't come
02:11:54.460up in conversation that much i think i always thought that was really cool for a lot of different
02:11:59.800reasons just if nothing else no metaphysics to it just story-wise that it's cool that you have
02:12:05.200squirrel that runs from nidhogger at the base of the tree up to to the eagle talking you know
02:12:15.360inciting each of them to be irritated and gossiping back and forth i think it's just a fun
02:12:20.480image regardless i think there's bigger truths to it certainly but just
02:12:24.640on a first read of norse mythology i thought that was fascinating really really cool um
02:12:35.200yeah question of why don't we talk about that stuff
02:12:43.280i don't think it comes up a lot in our communication i would be curious to know
02:12:50.640what you think of it and why you think it's a particularly important thing for us to talk about
02:12:56.880not in a challenging way just in a genuinely curious way i think there's a lot of layers
02:13:04.640to meanings of it but i think that at this stage and also true we're so very focused on
02:13:13.040building relationships with the with the major gods of our folk that some of the um
02:13:22.480dissection of the imagery found in the eddas is less often spoken of there's important points
02:13:31.760to the names of the dwarves to the hearts that gnaw on the tree to the goat there's there's a
02:13:42.160lot of things there that are special to talk about and if that's something you guys would
02:13:49.360like us to talk more about we could can yeah we could remember this nick right this is something
02:13:57.040that maybe we want to do a show on later just devoted to animals in our lore and i think that
02:14:03.920would be a fascinating thing for us to talk about so i really appreciate your your question your
02:14:07.840suggestion why do you think it is fun that we don't talk more about ratatosk well i think that
02:14:14.800cosmological development and understanding meta narratives or meta stories or mythic stories of
02:14:21.040our folk uh leave to a certain sense of observation that in a lot of ways people take our faith from
02:14:29.600the aidas and don't um delve too much just understanding it as a structural thing or
02:14:36.640perhaps a flow of things i do have a personal um as it was taught to me um in reference to
02:14:45.360of course, the eagle and the hawk on the tree and ratataskar or, you know, clattering teeth
02:14:52.780and nidhogar below. And what, you know, the understanding of a stratification of the upper
02:15:00.280world, middle world, lower world, which is very important. And I, you know, emphasize that greatly
02:15:05.960in the earlier VNSs is understanding one about where things are, why things are there and how
02:15:14.480they move in between each other. And I think that when we talk about the cosmology of Yggdrasil,
02:15:21.420one of the things that really throws a lot of people off is the understanding of the central
02:15:28.660point of a place. There is a central kind of symbolic point of the middle world. There is
02:15:36.060a central point of the heavenly world and a central point of the lower world. And all of
02:15:41.020those are interconnected, the Nordic connectivity was in through motion. So you have the root
02:15:52.600structure and the idea of people think of the roots as they need to see a clear and concise
02:16:02.840correlation or that the wells are all aligned or they're like a well that's enclosed.
02:16:11.020But, you know, seeing in our stories and understanding that the heavenly well at the center of heaven, which is Yggdrasil, is this, it's described as a lake, and the lake has two swans in it, and the Nornir are there, and the gods go there, they leave Ithavol and Ausgard are there, and they come down to that spot, and they hold counsel.
02:16:30.780and at the top of that tree is the eagle wind torn and the hawk that sits abreast its beak
02:16:39.820and as I was I have come to my understanding is that the tripartite of the original
02:16:48.180in Ganungagap nothing dies in our faith it always transforms and so as Bor and Besla beset
02:16:58.920down heaven, their souls elevated to the eagle and the hawk. And the soul of Ymir did not just
02:17:09.100dissipate and die, but slunk down into the shadows of Nivelheim and into the nethers,
02:17:16.440into the netherworld. And he seeks, his soul still seeks to break the root of the interconnected
02:17:23.400tree to break that cycle. And Ratataskar to me has always been, I've always kind of taken it as
02:17:29.960the heart or the soul of Adhumla coming back, that life energy, because one of the big things about
02:17:37.220both Adhumla and Ratataskar is the interconnectedness of life and the ability for life to
02:17:45.260spread through Yggdrasil, through the roots, going to the places unknown that only Odin knows,
02:17:52.300And then springing up in strange places like the well of Mimir, where only Odin knows where it truly resides in the middle world.
02:18:03.620And so Ratatosk has always been a semblance of that life and that interconnectedness.
02:18:09.340And in essence, in the story, is distracting Nidogar from uprooting that root.
02:18:16.320So the mission of Ratataskar is to constantly incite response from the lower realm in order to keep Nidhogg from separating that root and thus breaking that cycle.
02:21:15.760The way that the graphic was made for this episode mixes up the two.
02:21:21.300And for whatever in my head, I was going with the graphic and not the Futhark that I should know the order of much better than do right now.
02:21:30.920Well, and one of the things, this is a key component to understanding one of the best ways to look, even though our order, the way that we're doing the three runes, this is new to talk, you know, talking, when I talk about the Norn runes, the Norn runes of Hagalaz, Naothis, and Isa, it helps to organize certain things.
02:21:55.780in that mythos of story understanding that what we come to with isa is it is called the ice rune
02:22:03.140it that's what isa means and it kind of coalesces with hagalas and nouthis you have hagalas which
02:22:13.540creates um uh pressure and um you know in a sense the the chaotic form of the the the grain seed
02:22:22.660wrecking your crops and regrowing we we covered that in the previous vns and then we talk about
02:22:27.940the constraint and the toil that is required to work from that devastation and then lastly there
02:22:34.500is isa which is the icing uh or or the the the freezing of um in that sense we come to an
02:22:43.940application of the third nornir and scold scold is it translates to to debt that which is owed
02:22:54.820and the reason why is because the future is not seen as a destination but a culmination of the
02:23:00.660deeds that led us there because there are are multiple factors that are going to be in play
02:23:06.580when we bring ourselves into the into the future if you will based on or law or the the primordial
02:23:15.340layers of of deed that have been committed before so with isa there's a focusing point it's a
02:23:22.660singularity on a basic level this is called the ice rune isa is a rune that is always associated
02:23:29.500with stillness with centralization whether it could be in the positive sense a time to stop
02:23:36.020to look inward, to refocus, to recalibrate. It is, you know, Dr. Flowers calls it the rune of the
02:23:44.000ego. So it has a lot of internal meanings. Externally, it also means it's a time of
02:23:50.700non-movement. It's hard to move on ice. It's hard to gain traction. And that the idea is that
02:23:56.220with these three Norns in this grand epoch story of the runes, you have the Nornir coming to the
02:24:05.080gods to explain that the deeds that have been taken, the flooding of the middle,
02:24:12.380Ymir's death and his soul descension down, and the ordering of the middle world and the upper
02:24:19.720world has led to a series of starting points that creates the ultimate, what we would call like the
02:24:26.680doom of the gods or the Gata Damarang, the twilight of the gods. And that is seen as kind of
02:24:33.300an end state of that cycle. And with that, I think this comes to the point where once
02:24:40.920the Nornir place themselves in heaven and they place themselves as the central point of presiding
02:24:46.760over the dissipation of weird and of time itself, the gods seek now to focus themselves on what is
02:24:55.060truly important. And that's why we constantly see the themes in our stories about Odin staving off
02:25:02.880the doom through action, through deeds, is continuous efforts at keeping the inevitable
02:25:13.200at bay. The sunset is coming, but to try to stave them off by learning new things,
02:25:22.780by gaining knowledge, by understanding, formulating, and then ultimately moving
02:25:28.300against those things that would bring about a unbalanced end. And that's ultimately, I think,
02:25:35.740what is trying to be set here. So I think that I've always associated this room with the paradigm
02:25:43.340of the human soul in relation to the gods. And I think that one of the things when we are giving
02:25:47.820our might to the gods, we are doing that in bloat and in sacrifice. We are aligning our might and
02:25:55.620our, and our will to the gods with the essence that our soul might ascendant will aid the gods
02:26:04.160in battling those forces of chaos. A lot of people don't, um, in modern Astru see that
02:26:12.360a lot, or at least people, again, don't talk about it often is the idea that
02:26:17.140why Odin is filling Dalhal, why the heavenly realm is being filled with ascendant souls
02:26:25.420and the idea that there's a balance of between chaos and order and so the ordered soul the
02:26:32.740hierarchical soul the soul that understands beyond just individuality but with the collectiveness of
02:26:39.220the folk and the collectiveness of the gods attains that elevation in order to bring
02:26:44.760semblance and balance and this is represented a lot in isa the the the not necessarily i'm not
02:26:54.040saying like the axis mundi but uh the axis of purpose if you will is that in this point
02:27:01.660i think that the gods realizing in the the the overall events that led up to what will inevitably
02:27:10.220inevitably become involves humanity the folk and the gods in alignment with each other with purpose
02:27:20.580with understanding with internal reflection. And so Isa is that rune of not clopping your feet on
02:27:29.240the ice, not, you know, sliding and gripping to stop, to reevaluate, to recalibrate, and to
02:27:36.340get firm ground. So in divination, this rune has a tendency to mean that there's going to be a
02:27:42.600sudden stop in movement, that there's going to be a deep need to stop wasting energy, to stop
02:27:49.140wasting mental energy and to start building from inside back out again it's a recalibration
02:27:57.300of the uh axis of organization the hierarchical reset if you will
02:29:25.080ice is very cold and immeasurably slippery it glistens as clear as glass and most like to gyms
02:29:38.580It is a floor wrought by the frost, fair to look upon.
02:29:46.800And this rune is also represented in the Arminen runes as Is.
02:30:08.580a ninth i know if i need if need i find to secure my ship from harm
02:30:18.900i calm the wind when waves run high and put the sea to sleep
02:30:24.100again the referencing to the sea being asleep the roof of the waves the bridge over the water
02:30:34.000so the poems tell us that ice is slippery that blind people are gonna fall and bust their butt
02:30:44.580if we don't help them out that it looks like gems because it's shiny and it's pretty
02:30:49.860all of those things i i think at a different time in a different place may be more useful
02:30:56.720but remember a lot of those poems are a for aardvark um but specifically the armin one
02:31:03.840The Arminen interpretation this relates to that rune song is very, very valuable to me.
02:31:12.400The idea of this in a meditative sense, in a rune pulling divinatory sense, in a application to life sense,
02:31:26.640I have found this very, very useful as a rune of centering, of going back to a place of peace and of stillness and of quiet so you can listen.
02:31:49.380Somebody in our chat says they appreciate the topical discussion, but they would be lying if they said their favorite part wasn't Matt's rants and stories about stuff.
02:32:04.920And everybody's got a different thing with this.
02:32:07.660if you were you know if you're a florida baby you probably got a different thing if you're
02:32:13.820from the swamps if you're from everybody's got their own mental touchstones from childhood or
02:32:19.980early in life that mine relate to the rooms really well because i was from alaska so like um
02:32:29.580Um, geographically, it's at a similar elevation, but sitting in the, there's something about the
02:32:40.980cold. The cold is still, and it's quiet. There's not bug noises. Like when you're out in the woods
02:32:49.420in the South, it's beautiful when you don't think that it's bugs making the noise. If you don't
02:32:56.440ask too many questions you just sit there and you hear all the noises of the night it's awesome
02:33:01.000if you think that it's bugs it's gross but my point being if you sit in a place during
02:33:08.200the winter especially in alaska as a kid it's just it's still the air is still there's something
02:33:17.320about it it's not as thick you don't hear you hear the most minute things not a cacophony of
02:33:26.440of extraneous noise. You have this sense of complete stillness. There's something about this,
02:33:34.360and I think that you would have this any place that you go when there's not light pollution.
02:33:41.560One of the coolest things when I was a kid was taking a snow machine out to the middle of
02:33:46.200Harding Lake up by Fairbanks. You go out to the middle of the lake, say the middle,
02:33:51.800We'll go up where our tip-ups are set for ice fishing, and you can just sit back and look up, and it'll be negative 60 out, and there's just ice crystals, your breath crystallizes, but you look up and you can see the galaxies.
02:34:10.680You can see forever because there's no light. You're far enough away from civilization and everything is quiet.
02:34:18.840Everything is still. Everything's at peace. Nothing's buzzing. Nothing's moving around.
02:34:26.400It's a place of that calm and that peace that you can reflect from.
02:34:31.660ideographically if you look at so many of our rooms certainly not everyone but many of them
02:34:39.520we talked earlier about how a whole lot of runes you could break them down into bind
02:34:44.320runes of different runes isa is kind of a base for that it's a starting point for a lot of
02:34:52.840different runes but standing alone it's one of those ones that always
02:34:58.180again, not always, but very often is included in any bind rune that a rune happens to be,
02:35:07.300if you take my meaning. Like Laogus is Laogus, but fundamentally it's Isa with a line drawn from
02:35:13.980it. Fehu is Isa with two lines coming out of it. Ansus is Isa with two lines coming out of it,
02:35:20.760and possibly lagus with an extra line but isa is the starting point for a lot of our rooms
02:35:29.400when i draw isa in a runic divination it always to me is a place of coming back to the center
02:35:40.360of stillness of reflection of calm within the storm of calm through difficult circumstance
02:35:50.760uh isa is a very special room to me personally
02:35:56.200we'll go back to some questions but i won't go nearly that long before we go back and get uh
02:36:02.200yara and yara does follow isa i know better than that but i allowed myself to be led astray that's
02:36:09.320my fault um well and one thing that's worth noting is when you talk about the stillness
02:36:17.480uh again with your correlation of understanding the cold in alaska and it might be not fully
02:36:24.680aware of somebody say who's grown up in florida their entire life or something of that nature
02:36:29.320one of the things about the rune poems that's worth noting especially amongst the icelandic
02:36:32.920and norwegian there's the clear connection of the idea of the roof of the waves it's the the
02:36:38.760water was seen as a mode of transportation it was a way to move and that when ice bridged that
02:36:46.360that movement became different and it became more difficult and often and even in the anglo-saxon
02:36:50.840again it it it lulls you into its shine it lulls you into its movement but again it's not trustworthy
02:36:59.480but only sort of one of the other things that i think that's really important about it
02:37:04.600it stops the movement of ships but it increases the movement of people
02:37:09.400and to our ancestors in Germany and other places where they weren't just sea raiders you could pass
02:37:20.840over rivers that you couldn't before you could traverse across you know small straits that you
02:37:27.480couldn't previously it facilitates transport of people from one place to another when you couldn't
02:37:33.920before it stops a chaotic situation and allows it to be passable it becomes a bridge
02:37:46.800and that's kind of a special thing another thing just hearing you re-articulate
02:37:53.920the ideas about frozen and things that are frozen one thing with stillness and freezing
02:38:01.200and this kind of amazes me with fish there are fish that freeze and can freeze completely solid
02:38:10.860and they go in a hibernation place all of the movement in their body stills
02:38:17.220you thaw them out of a block of ice and then they come back to you know they seemingly come back to
02:38:24.360life. Now, technically, they're not, you know, they have risen. Like, no, they're not undead.
02:38:31.660But stillness slowed their life force that far down when they're frozen. You'll see people like
02:38:37.520this in a frozen lake that'll, you know, technically die, but their body is so
02:38:43.500slowed down that they can be revived. The idea of slowing everything down.
02:38:51.100and for people that are overstimulated the world around us is a very overstimulating place
02:38:58.540with screen time with our phones with all the different things around us and i'm not that guy
02:39:05.120i'm on my phone 24 7 i'm i embrace the the overstimulation of life i have to to do this
02:39:14.160as effectively as I want to. I have to use all those things available to me. But the relief
02:39:23.620of coming back to that place of stillness where everything is just quiet and peaceful.
02:39:30.360It's a really beautiful thing for me internally. And I don't know if that communicates well on
02:39:35.360this podcast. You guys can be like, hey, this guy's crazy or whatever. It may have mean something
02:39:39.980different to you. But to me, I need that break from the overstimulation of things. And it's
02:39:47.760special to me in that sense. It brings me back to a central point to start out from.
02:39:53.120Other thing I'd say meditatively, we build up resentments,
02:40:02.780or we build up preconceptions. We build up things over time.
02:40:09.880Stopping and coming back to center and starting fresh is really healthy because if we just keep
02:40:17.360running, then we have this debt of resentment or grumpiness or whatever we take into the next
02:40:23.920situation we deal with by coming back to the center, reestablishing a baseline and then moving
02:40:30.640back out again we refresh our outlook on how we see things that's what i've got on isa
02:40:39.920so back to our questions for a little bit here and again we won't go so long before
02:40:44.240we get back to a year i promise have you ever had an incident with the wild hunt
02:40:52.800how do you try to avoid it during the yule nights if you have to go out
02:41:00.640a couple of well you know what it's fine you go ahead and take it first
02:41:08.260okay well um so kind of how we talked about gleam on its its evolution from uh a wrestling
02:41:17.960to a um a sport i think it's worth noting that the wild hunt is a culmination of a lot of cultural
02:41:26.480intakes that have been added on over time. Whether we're talking about even from the
02:41:33.040Gaulish people and from the Germanic people, and especially their culmination together
02:41:38.100in Britannia, there's a lot of emphasis on the wild hunt pulling from both of those two families
02:41:46.420of the Aryan branch. So a lot of what we see about the wild hunt is a culmination of those
02:41:52.420things along with ancient traditions from central Germany. Uh, you don't see a lot of it in
02:41:59.300reference, say amongst the Norse. Um, and there there's hints and definitely leanings, especially
02:42:07.180in the name, like for Odin being your father. Um, and then, you know, the your father amongst
02:42:13.560the Anglo-Saxons. Um, and I think that that does clearly correlate Odin to the wild hunt, but
02:42:21.660I have always subsisted on the understanding of cycles and movements. And one of the big
02:42:30.860things about the Wild Hunt is that it is a tidal movement. I spoke a lot about Freyfaxi,
02:42:37.180and in which at Charming of the Plow, Lord Frey comes down and is ultimately
02:42:44.180attaining union with Gerder. And then from that cycle, there is the separation of the two that
02:42:53.300culminates at Freyfaxi. So there's this movement of the Lord of Light coming from Leosalfheim and
02:43:00.880meeting with the shining earth and relinquishing the fruits of the soil and, you know, with the
02:43:08.100Leoself are, you know, committing to the spurning of life through vegetation and animal procreation
02:43:17.000and just all around the bursting of life.
02:43:19.920And that cycle, for me, the wild hunt is very similar to that, but on the dark half of the year.
02:43:27.840Um, the, the, the understanding of, um, you know, winter, like, or as winter is coming now with winter finding and winter nights, I've always taken that the, the ride of the wild hunt begins as a cycle in the descent of the year when the wind takes to, to light.
02:43:50.640and it it ultimately culminates to the end of yule and which finally to rest is the the wild
02:43:58.160hunt comes to an end specifically i'm referring to odin's day on on in the yule tradition the of
02:44:05.440of having separate days dedicated to the gods i've always saw that as the end of the wild hunt when
02:44:13.600uh odin returns back to ausgarth now this is a culmination again of other things as well
02:44:20.640Now, in Saxo Grammaticus's retellings of when Odin leaves and Ullr takes the throne of heaven, I think what this is in reference to, of course, is that Odin leaves heaven in the form of the leader of the wild hunt.
02:44:38.620that the wild hunt traverses the winds and that ultimately there's folklore there about the idea
02:44:44.820that if you go out in the middle of the night in winter especially in the nordic places or in in
02:44:49.260you know central and northern germany and you know in england and things like that the chances
02:44:54.760of you dying in the winter you know being lost confused and ending up missing and then someone
02:45:01.600finds you and it's like oh the wild hunt got him um there's a lot of these the culminations of
02:45:07.280these traditions. Um, so that's part of it. And I see that in my mythic understanding of things
02:45:14.900when my, when I observe it is that when Uller takes precedence now at winter finding, it starts
02:45:20.460a cyclical wave that ultimately comes down to midwinter ending it. And then we enter the last,
02:45:27.740the post midwinter in which everything is frozen and still the wind is gone. The ice is set and
02:45:34.880we have to break out of the the cathartic winter um i've always seen it as with with winter finding
02:45:43.680being dedicated to ullr it is the hunting season so his presiding over the throne isn't him taking
02:45:50.320over the throne of odin or what have you it's that this is his time the hunt is important and this
02:45:57.200has a lot of connections to ancient hunting traditions where it ultimately comes from
02:46:04.960where the, the riding out of the, you know, the boar hunt during Yule, the, uh, the connections
02:46:10.440between Fro-ing or Lord Frey and the boar, and also the hunt of the, of the, uh, the thanes as
02:46:16.660they ride out to slay the boar, um, and ultimately just hunting in general throughout that season
02:46:23.300from right after harvest to about Yule is where we have this kind of time of the wild hunt.
02:46:32.820And the ultimate point of it is it's keeping those traditions of our hunting alive,
02:46:39.600especially in the stories of, you know, the massive riders and the hounds and the baying of the souls
02:46:45.860And Odin taking this form of the wind and, you know, darkness and cold and bitterness flowing through and whispering around is kind of indicative to the same as when the Thanes would ride out from the hall or ride out from the central place and go out and hunt and commit to hunt.
02:47:10.200And even to the final hunt that is at Yule where the boar is brought in and the head is eaten over.
02:47:17.440So a lot of this is like a layered combination of traditions that build around the folklore that from Winterfinding to Yule, there is Odin is riding in the wind.
02:47:29.340Some people have said it's the Einherjar with him.
02:47:31.520Some people have said that it's the forgotten souls or the ones who have died at crossroads or hanged men's souls or the forgotten ones are trailing behind Olin as he, you know, coalesces through the wilderness and the wild side.
02:47:47.480And another big emphasis again is the township, the folk, the the the clan and where they live is or is is organized and it is it is safe and out in the edges is where chaos resides.
02:48:04.040And this is what makes Odin fit that dynamic throne is his movement, his traversing, even on the edges of almost to the point of kind of being those elements of chaos in the in the outer edges.
02:48:17.480So that's an extremely important point that our folk often miss.
02:48:27.360And in the world that we live in, that we are surrounded by city 24-7 all day, every day, I get the spiritual benefit of going out into nature.
02:48:41.900to our ancestors nature was a scary place nature is my church that's not real that's not what our
02:48:55.080ancestors ever thought at all the first thing our gods did when they created the world
02:49:02.000was to build high timbered halls and gold implements and things they built civilization
02:49:08.840out of nature for them to hang out in the first thing they do when they come back after ragnarok
02:49:16.620is re-erect those halls reset up those playing pieces reforge those things
02:49:24.620nature out there's beneficial nature around the village that are your fields that are where you
02:49:34.160go together, your mushrooms, your stuff, your forage. Big wide nature is scary. It's scary and
02:49:44.200it's deadly. The open ocean is terrifying. The frozen wilderness when you don't know how to get
02:49:52.100home to someplace that's warm is terrifying. We live in a day where you don't see that very often.
02:49:58.600you don't encounter it very often but as i was mentioning earlier about the meat fire
02:50:05.320any of jack london's books are terrifying and depressing because they're cold and they're
02:50:11.320alone and they're freezing to death and it's misery you finding a place of sanctuary from that
02:50:19.880that, our people were all about civilization, getting to it as fast as they can, and celebrating
02:50:29.840the warmth and the kinship of being with people. Nature is scary. I mean, I like going out in the
02:50:42.120woods. I like nature. I like doing all those things. Please don't get me wrong. But when we
02:50:47.440obsess about nature is if we're a nature religion, we're not. We're a people religion.
02:50:54.160Nature has its place, but we are civilizers. That's what we do. We conquer nature. We break
02:51:01.700pieces of it and bend it to our will. That's what we do. That defines us.
02:51:09.520Bodhi said over in the side chat, when I talked about all the cacophony of Southern
02:51:15.200uh southern nights noises that that's the sound of life alas harry gothi it absolutely is it
02:51:22.860absolutely is and in that sense it's beautiful it is terrifying when you go someplace that is
02:51:28.860completely still every noise is something out to get you is a ghost a goblin a boogeyman that
02:51:38.700the wild hunts after you there's something that goes on in your head when you're out in the
02:51:44.900middle of of the night in the woods in midwinter especially in Alaska if you're out there like
02:51:52.900for example I ran my cousin's trap line with him at
02:51:57.760it was negative 65 degrees and we were in we were on a snow machine and we were
03:15:27.760I have always thought that it's a core in how I practice our faith is by learning from my experience as a person who deals with other people and then projecting that or elevating that towards the gods.
03:15:47.560That said, we are in a really auspicious time to interact with the gods.
03:16:05.380AFA as of today has, drum roll in your head if you want to.
03:16:17.560Eight hundred seventy three people. That is a minute fraction of humanity.
03:16:28.020That means that the great gods of our folk, and there's other people that practice a form of Alcetrum,
03:16:35.460but there are relatively few of us and we are reaching out to gods that have been without active worship for a very long time.
03:16:47.560everyone listening to this. I say that, but everyone listening to this channel
03:16:54.080think we are. I'll give you another fact and figure here.
03:17:04.020As of right now, we have 2,803 subscribers to this podcast on YouTube. That doesn't account
03:17:15.300for the people who watch us on any of the other platforms or listen to us on spotify
03:17:25.380seems like a lot of people for some of us who've come from very humble beginnings
03:17:29.380but in the course of you know the seven billion people on earth right now it's pretty small
03:17:37.220we proportionally can have a really big impact when we reach out to the gods
03:17:42.420we also can take part in really big things in honoring and worshiping the gods
03:17:50.880we are establishing hoffs to these gods that haven't had hoffs in thousands of years
03:18:00.160that's special we can all be a part of that um that said
03:18:12.420does Odin reach out to every individual person personally he's a God his powers are much greater
03:18:24.120than ours maybe as the leader of 873 people could I tell you the name of everybody in the
03:18:35.100true folk assembly no do i know everyone personally or have i reached out to everybody
03:18:44.140no there's quite a few people i have there's quite a few people i know
03:18:51.020but our ancestors knew this too it's very easy for people to get lost in the shuffle
03:19:43.200so does odin reach out to people certainly like swan said i believe that he had a very particular
03:19:51.920interaction and reaching out to the founder of our faith steve mcnalen
03:19:58.160even steve's most ardent enemies acknowledge that that's true and that happened which is a
03:20:04.080huge testament to to steve um we see in the lore odin appear to heroes and so i think that
03:20:21.920To encourage interaction with the All-Father, or any of our gods for that matter, upping your reputation is a huge thing.
03:20:32.440In our day, popularity has a bad reputation or a bad connotation when we speak of it.
03:20:42.580But that's if your popularity is because you're a Kardashian.
03:20:45.500If your popularity is based on you being a war hero, as would have been generations earlier, that's a good thing.
03:20:55.920Your popularity used to be based on the tales of your deeds and the great things that you've done, not just your happenstance to do something on social media.
03:21:07.100So raising your fame, I think, is a good way to draw the attention of the gods to you.
03:21:14.000But also acts of worship, doing things and reaching out.
03:21:20.880I tell you what, the members that I know in the AFA, either I've met them because I've gone to an event and they've talked to me or I've talked to them and I've shook their hand.
03:21:30.120Or their name pops up because everybody's talking about this great guy somewhere and I need to get to know them.
03:21:41.160people have sent me emails and said hey you know i wanted to talk to you about this or hey you're
03:21:47.400doing great or hey i like this video you did or hey i had a question about x y or z and then i
03:21:55.080will know who that guy is so i think reaching out in prayer and in worship will help to facilitate
03:22:03.480interaction with odin i think there are big things that he's done generally to bring our
03:22:09.560folk home and in that way he's interacted but not necessarily a personal stamped invitation to each
03:22:15.720of you but there's certainly people that have been that are important that he has reached out to
03:22:25.160and i think it's far more often your job to reach out to him if you want interaction
03:22:32.760and your expectation should be small and if the king of the gods acknowledges you in any way at
03:22:43.800all that's huge that's amazing so be hopeful of that work towards that but don't don't have
03:22:54.720expectation of that. I will always believe with all my heart that the All-Father put a hand on
03:23:03.660my shoulder at Ostara of 2017. I believe in a lot of subtle ways that there is acknowledgement.
03:23:16.300I believe I reach out to the All-Father. I believe that he blesses me in certain ways.
03:23:21.180I certainly believe that he works through me in ritual because I'm the one conducting it
03:23:27.480to distribute blessings to others. I hope that I make him proud. I can't tell you that I do or
03:23:35.500that I don't, but I really hope I do. And I try to with all my heart. And any acknowledgement,
03:23:44.740even if it's very small. It's the king of the gods of our race reaching out. That
03:23:51.760means more than anything else you could imagine. So don't go in with expectation,
03:24:00.180but do things to be worthy of Odin reaching out to you or of Odin responding to your reaching out
03:24:05.900to him. Raise your worth and your value by being worthy. And I think that's what I would advise to
03:24:13.620build a better relationship. That said, final question until we go to Yara from The Wolf Throne.
03:24:22.380Question for both. I'm going to let you take a swing at this first, Svon. Okay. Thoughts on
03:24:29.040The Ausitru Etta and The Odinist Etta by the Naranis Society. Also, Mark Puryear's book,
03:24:36.160The Nature of Ausitru. Just got these books in the mail recently. Svon, what are your thoughts on
03:24:42.300these books and their authorship. All right. So one thing I would state is I think that the
03:24:50.080lexicon in the back of the Astro Aida is good. It is very, very well-written or thought out.
03:24:58.160There are some things that I find, for instance, there's translations that I think are
03:25:05.880misleading or or even not correct in in in relation to certain things but it is stated as
03:25:13.400being just simply correct um and uh an example perhaps would be like in the in translation of
03:25:21.620the word um the the people of the wolf um and that being relegated to heimdall uh and that was
03:25:29.480just being laid out but uh you know i have a different belief in that that in relation to
03:25:35.000how that's being worded, especially in the Grimnismal. There's some hypostasis too that's
03:25:42.720going on that I don't particularly agree with, especially with the combination of Ostra,
03:25:49.880the Lady of the Dawn, and Nott, the goddess of night, and one of the turning elements of the
03:25:56.920middle world. So there's, there's little nuanced things there. I think that also the relegation
03:26:05.800of Seder as being simply just an evil practice and that runic knowledge being given to us by
03:26:13.100Heimdallr as being the elevated practice of, of that, which is right, I think is also kind of
03:26:20.620not quite correct especially in relation to what we can see with runic usage and say that in you
03:26:29.060know writings of the past uh the sagas and things like that um it is 100 i think good for learning
03:26:36.700and understanding and kind of grasping some of the um uh aspects of names and the the names of
03:26:46.180gods the names of places the names of of cosmology is very very thorough um however there are certain
03:26:53.300things that i think i i take grievance with when it comes to like cosmological order um the the
03:26:59.860idea of moving things are being moved in those books uh in relation to um uh you know the the
03:27:09.380the Nornir and Mimir and Virgelmar, the wells are kind of relegated to the lower worlds. And I
03:27:17.400think that doesn't equate to Aryan cosmological reasoning and the reasons why there is an upper
03:27:24.860world, middle world, and lower world. But overall, I always take that knowledge is worth attaining
03:27:34.440and reading and trying to understand those so there is much of that that i take but like
03:27:41.680again um say for instance in certain translations of the rivers i have always um come with the
03:27:49.420understanding that there are 11 rivers in heaven and there are 14 rivers in the middle world and
03:27:54.500there are 11 rivers in the lower world and the 11 rivers in the lower world are gone over quite
03:28:01.320extensively in those works but then the rivers of heaven are kind of glossed over as just being
03:28:07.100sacred rivers it's it's like written right next to it a sacred river um and the the correlation
03:28:14.220of that of those understandings of the 11 sacred rivers in heaven or either of all and its
03:28:19.120encapsulation that that ausgard is not the entirety of heaven and our ancestors didn't
03:28:24.600see it as the entirety of heaven that uh either of all and ausgard there is an encapsulated place
03:28:30.760within the spans of heaven um is kind of not really uh tackled and then later on it's kind
03:28:38.840of seen as no that ausgard is the entirety of heaven so i have cosmological um grievances
03:28:46.440with some of that in those translations and understanding too that with the the sacred
03:28:51.000rivers that are in heaven and thor crossing over two of them in particular that flow out of um
03:28:58.600ausgarth um and uh the the doom of men and the uh witnessing of the fates of men and anointing them
03:29:07.800or condemning them as opposed to perhaps having like a you know the gods descending into the
03:29:12.840underworld and and having uh you know a moot over the soul um in representation to the uh
03:29:20.360by the filk and things like that so these these little details i find uh are drastic in their
03:29:28.120scope of changing things but at the same time much of it is is is an interpretation based off
03:29:34.760of linguistics and again linguistics can be very very touchy especially if you say this word means
03:29:42.520simply that a lot of people might not have the ability or the wherewithal to look into that or
03:29:48.920perhaps even see a scope of an understanding outside of that you know um again if there's
03:29:53.720no 11 rivers in heaven and the the culmination of heaven is just ausgard then having field
03:29:59.720vittner or the children of the wolf or the people of the wolf waiting in the river around valhall
03:30:06.120which is thund um it doesn't make a lot of sense and so there's the correlation oh well then
03:30:12.120feel that must be heimdall and that's just that's that and i don't think that that's correct um
03:30:17.960But, again, the linguistical connections and understandings of a lot of translations towards, especially the ones that are solid and undisputed, are clean, and they are worth noting and worth, you know, learning about and worth memorizing.
03:30:36.580And then I would encourage people to look at other translations to kind of get ideas as to where these translations might be sought at.
03:30:47.760But there's another point is that in our view of hard polytheism, the fragmentation of the earth in relation to Gerðr, in the relation to Gríðr, to Jörð and how out of Jörð is born Frigga.
03:31:07.540And so there is this kind of a tendency to mash or to create hypostasis and to, again, kind of what we were talking about before, the emergence of all of this into one kind of feminine aspect.
03:31:24.140I see that and I'm not, I'm not a huge proponent of that. I'm a hard polytheist. So when I, I honor Yordh or Frigga, you know, separate, but extensions of, or in the sense of like being born of not simply one is the other.
03:31:42.320Um, and I think a lot of people are getting steered towards being very lenient in placing the gods in these kind of wrangled hypostasis, uh, disavowing Tyr as a god, but at the same time, you know, uh, stating that, you know, one goddess is another goddess just kind of crammed together.
03:32:07.780uh it starts to get a little loose in there um i think ritualistically the formats are interesting
03:32:15.220um there's uh the concept of the of the ritual grid and i'm familiar with this especially in
03:32:22.280relation to runic magic done by an anglo-saxon uh rune master who uh proponent it in his book
03:32:29.360called runebok um in which he used the nine grid in his uh runic practices and ritual magic
03:32:35.560um and nigel panic as well has also kind of spearheaded some of that um movement but at the
03:32:44.320same time like i think a lot of my daughter and i played tic-tac-toe the other morning
03:32:50.060on the back of a menu at black bear diner yeah i mean well again and it's it's i think
03:32:59.300in runebuck he was talking about classification of spaces to create order but the order and the
03:33:05.600purpose was ultimately towards his magical practices um and i can understand the idea
03:33:11.720of doing that for ritual in relation to like especially rune magic and things like that and
03:33:16.840again nigel pennex books uh especially some of his older stuff from the early 80s went into a lot of
03:33:22.880that, the, uh, the ordering of, of things. Um, but is it the total, like the totalness that it
03:33:32.920seeks to be? I do not agree with that at all, that it is an, it is a way or an interpretation
03:33:39.260of a way, but in its totalness of saying like everyone else is doing this wrong is kind of
03:33:45.380where I get a little kind of thrown back by it because there's not a lot of movement towards
03:33:51.520introspection it's because there's a need for classifying and anchoring things right now
03:33:59.700that any sense of flexibility is seen as uh you know a way that's wrong or a way that is uh you
03:34:07.260know not concreted in authenticity and that is not the case adaptability is the key to survival
03:34:14.440And it is the key to, you know, emerging through the chaos is by formulating and adapting and moving forward.
03:34:23.600And so those books, I have those books. I've been reading those books recently, along with some other books. And I think my biggest gripe is the cosmological movement and the usage of the Axis Mundi in understanding away from the Nordic of Yggdrasil and its descendancy from the upper realm down with roots, that that somehow negates the Axis Mundi if we think that way.
03:34:53.420that's not the truth at all but when we have to formulate things down we're all well the roots
03:34:59.020are going to be at the bottom so they have to be in the in the underworld and you know that
03:35:05.100that that's moving away i think ultimately from the way our ancestors saw cosmological order
03:35:11.260when they saw you know and made reference to the north and to the south and to the east and to the
03:35:15.820west in the middle it was very specifically that the middle world the earth was encapsulated by
03:35:22.700primordial cold primordial heat primordial resistance and primordial life from vanaheim
03:35:28.940and so that's why midgarther is encapsulated and ausgarther is encapsulated in the whole of heaven
03:35:36.620but not the entirety of heaven so we get into a lot of um i guess detail grinding in relation to
03:35:45.180uh those works and and other works if you will or the way that i have always you know i was
03:35:53.580taught and brought into understanding the way the gods and the the arian concepts of the cosmos and
03:36:00.860why they are the way they are why they work the way they work why the wellsprings are placed where
03:36:05.500they are and why there is movements going between the middle world and upper world the outer edges
03:36:11.260in the inner the the upper and the lower there these are are all i think very indicative to
03:36:17.180ancient arian mythos that also plays out in other um branches and so to go away from that
03:36:25.900uh you know again the the striker uh entering into the underworld was another uh notable um
03:36:33.740um difference that I I saw and kind of didn't quite you know in all air and branches the the
03:36:41.720the catalystic striker the one who rides the edges never descends into the underworld and
03:36:46.760this is taken even into place with like Heracles and his you know ultimate the final the end of it
03:36:53.000is when he steps into the underworld there always seems to be this connection between the earth and
03:36:59.060middle and the catalystic father of storms um not broaching into that under under realm but
03:37:07.920olden dynamic does with good reason again he's the the all-father is the powerful nexus and
03:37:15.740the one who placed the godhead of time mimir upon the well that draws in all time but again these
03:37:24.480are you know my differences of interpretations to others and value is in is in reading and consuming
03:37:33.760but ultimately reflecting and taking that information to further your your understanding
03:37:44.520not to just wholeheartedly take it as gospel if you will
03:37:48.040Svan is nicer than I am. So first, I'm sorry that you spent hard-earned money on those
03:38:03.240those heretical tomes. That's unfortunate. Honestly, and this is, and I'm glad it came
03:38:15.000up in this because it goes it goes to what we spoke about a little bit earlier about the way
03:38:22.560information flows my biggest issue with the norena society mark purrier and those books
03:38:36.400is they are not – I do not feel that piety is a factor in any element of any of those things.
03:38:53.900When our gods are real, some people may think that they're not.
03:39:11.660If you are people who think that our gods are not real, then interaction with them would make no sense.
03:39:20.860The only way of making sense would be poring over what archaeological evidence or historical evidence you can find on how ancient Oogabooga people might have believed in silly, not real gods.
03:39:43.320and to help the ooga booga silly not realness make more sense
03:39:50.160it would make sense to consolidate the loose ends to make them all you know two or three different
03:39:59.100gods and then to try to chronologically repurpose our lore and clean it up in a way that makes more
03:40:07.980since because these primitives with the shoulder pelts didn't know what they were doing so let's
03:40:15.820clean that up and make a new version of what we think that maybe our ancestors thought our gods
03:40:23.100were so that we can have a pretend viking setting for our role-playing game or whatever
03:40:34.940that's not religion that's not also true
03:40:40.240if our gods are real which they are then the purpose of everything else
03:40:51.720is to accurately convey the reality of our gods to those who are interested in growing to know them
03:41:01.680and to tell their story in a way that brings our people to a better understanding or a better
03:41:09.300relationship to our gods i don't see any of that in the books you mentioned i don't see anything
03:41:18.940in those books that would lead a fair-minded person to believe that the author had a relationship
03:41:26.820with the gods that he wrote these things about.
03:41:54.840their stuff scholars of Judaism wrote about their religion they're not things that pious
03:42:03.280Jews and rabbis wrote about their faith in Yahweh um
03:42:09.240what worries me with both the Astruetta and the Odinistetta and I'm not sure about the
03:42:17.380other book because I have not read it I have to assume it goes along these similar lines
03:42:21.900In I'm the biggest proponent there is, everything doesn't have to be regurgitated lore.
03:42:42.960I'm fine with building new and modern practice based on sincere interaction with the gods.
03:42:51.900But when I do that, I tell you I do that and I'm honest and I'm piously fearful of offending the gods, not because I'm scared they're going to, like, put some hoodoo on me.
03:43:10.320I don't want to offend gods that I love and worship by saying something wrong or speaking with authority on something I don't know about.
03:43:21.900Because disappointing our gods or offending them in some way would crush my soul.
03:43:32.520That's not the attitude these books are written in.
03:43:37.620So when things are presented as fact that aren't presented factually in the source material, it's very misleading.
03:43:50.180it can draw people to very different conclusions that's not properly addressed in the writing as
03:43:59.700far as i've seen there may be new additions with new footnotes that maybe make some of those points
03:44:04.660i don't know um spawn is really good at breaking down the academics for you and the basis of theory
03:44:20.100that he finds objection with those book.
03:44:24.060I object to them because they are written by heretics
03:48:28.000Anything written about Ausatru that doesn't have that as a starting point only serves to pull us away from our faith and not to build on our faith.
03:48:40.860That's maybe not the way that people want to hear the answer.
03:48:46.460And so I defer to Svahn's much more point-by-point analysis of the core material.
03:48:56.760But those fundamentals are what mean so very much to me.
03:49:03.080And I don't know if they mean a lot to Svahn, too.
03:49:07.360The way he approaches the question is a much more diplomatic way of approaching it.
03:49:11.380But those of us that feel this with all our heart and that this is what we do with our life, it's a lot different than people who endlessly scholasticize instead of actually worship our gods.
03:49:35.220And I don't feel the Norena Society worships our gods, and that makes all the difference that could possibly be.
03:49:47.160With that Svan, if no one's ever heard of the rune Yera, can you please explain it to them?
03:49:55.140And this, I'll make the note, it's the only rune that is not connected.
03:50:05.220Yes. This is an interesting rune. First off, it is the Yir rune. The understanding of the word Yir, remember before when we were talking about in the earlier runic discussions about the reconstructed language of the names of the runes, pulling from the Goths, the Anglo-Saxons,
03:50:35.220the norse the central germanics and the understanding of what all of that has in
03:50:41.060correlation uh when we talk about the word era it is a reconstruction of the understanding of
03:50:48.900what we would call it survives in our languages the word year but year could also have some other
03:50:55.460meanings in relation especially in the nordic the the the name in the nordic futark the younger
03:51:01.940food dark is our which means season as well and uh so a lot of times when we talk about
03:51:10.980like one of the names of the of the the steeds the the vehicle of the sun is our varker year waker
03:51:19.300or season waker or uh some have even you know taken it as the dawn waker but that i think is is
03:51:27.700pulling it a little too far out the the word year and what it symbolizes is an understanding of time
03:51:35.460development in a circle the understanding of polarities that pull if you notice in the symbol
03:51:42.020one of the key things that i always like to point out is the way that we conceptualize the year
03:51:47.140especially now and in modern house it's true is built around the two pinnacle or zenith points
03:51:53.460which are midwinter and midsummer and that everything is about a movement between these two
03:52:00.660polaric zeniths if you will and so the the i the idea of this the cycle having
03:52:08.340our a perfect example again is that some people had brought up well actually
03:52:12.580you know our ancestors celebrated the new year at at winter nights that is correct and fair and
03:52:20.020i think worth noting but at the same time they also can counted the day at sunset because everyone
03:52:27.700was awake and everyone was aware that this was the time in which the new day would start or the
03:52:33.380new cycle would start and the dawn was seen more as like a midnight and or a midpoint in that cycle
03:52:41.780now we we count the day at midnight and our understandings of of the the solstices and
03:52:48.020those two pinnacle points i think is really important to understanding how this movement is
03:52:56.820is being conducted and we see this kind of draw and pull these uh these two um has it always been
03:53:05.060written this way i mean we we have seen many different forms i know the anglo-saxon they
03:53:10.180They use a vertical with these two pieces brought together unilaterally.
03:53:17.800And this symbolizes, again, the middle world, the cycle of the middle world.
03:53:22.140And we see it also sometimes as they're slightly connected or they're creating kind of an encapsulation, but there's arms branching off to denote cyclical movement.
03:53:35.340um this rune i think in the the epoch of the runic story that's going on is that with hail
03:53:44.900with need and toil and binding with ice and the the recalibration now is the time in which
03:53:52.820the setting of the of the of the overarching story is that the alignment has been recalibrated and
03:54:01.500now the focus is now on the middle world and the the relationship of the descent of time from heaven
03:54:10.060the play out of time or weird and all of that playing out in the middle world and how it flows
03:54:16.620to the lower and then is drawn up the root again and so it creates that cycle and i think cycles
03:54:22.620are very important to our ancestors and to us now um in understanding that there is a rise and a
03:54:28.300fall and arise again that there is um again there's uh there's you know ascent descent and
03:54:36.140ascension again um and this goes you know with with every cycle that we see whether it's you
03:54:42.940know lord fray coming down during uh charming of the plow and then ascending back up but also in a
03:54:50.780way descending in in life and in in uh virility in the middle world and then with the wild hunt
03:54:58.300ascending now at winter finding and then descending in the middle of winter um and kind of dissipating
03:55:03.820this is a rune that that always carries with it the concept of actions that are committed before
03:55:12.460being utilized and the harvest of those actions being presented out and utilized again and so the
03:55:22.540cycle becomes balanced so we have this build up all the way to this point in the runic epochs
03:55:31.120and in the story of it where all of a sudden through the threshold of of hagalas there's this
03:55:37.480torment this breaking down there's the toiling the re the the bringing in or the the power of it
03:55:44.760coming down the realignment of of isa and now everything comes back into balance the the gods
03:55:51.960the middle world the underworld all come into calibration again and now it's understood so
03:55:58.600in a lot of ways i've always taken this as um it is the is mankind's understanding of the past and
03:56:08.120the present culminating towards the future a balance between those things and that's kind of
03:56:13.400what we've been talking about seeking that balance of understanding not totally uh reaching or or
03:56:20.360replaying or reconstituting the past but taking the past and moving into an organic and living
03:56:27.800present that will garnish fruit it's the it's the rune of harvest and it's the rune of cycles
03:56:34.520it's um in divination when it comes up it often has correlations towards um uh things that have
03:56:41.560been set into motion in the past are now coming into bearing or it is a message that now is the
03:56:47.560time to begin planning for a future time it's a time to to uh organize and now that you are you're
03:56:55.800aligned you're aware it is about setting your your pieces in motion it's about planting your seeds
03:57:02.040it's about harvesting at the right time and understanding and coming into full consciousness
03:57:06.920of all that is cyclical and in motion so i i always i often associate this rune to
03:57:14.120hearkening back in the same power of of uh raido raido is that cyclical order and
03:57:21.240And Yira is kind of like the fruits of that order and how after much self and inner reflection and realignment, there comes a time now it's like where the wisdom of learning has created an understanding of what's coming, how to avert the doom and how to garner the fruits of the struggle in life.
03:57:48.000and era is as much a toil rune as as nalthese is but the difference is is that it's moving
03:57:54.640it's not constraining and it ultimately beckons us to remember that that which we lay down now
03:58:02.240is what we'll bear forth in the future so it has a a more um rounded and softer understanding of
03:58:10.960hard work to bear fruit uh with a greater understanding of why to do that how to do that
03:58:20.560absolutely and something random side note this rune is displayed as a mirror image to itself
03:58:30.960often and i don't know the the fundamental correctness of it but very often you will see this
03:58:38.880the two, you know, for lack of a better term, the greater than or less than
03:58:44.280displayed as opposite to one another. I think it's also interesting to note that to our ancestors,
03:58:54.600the cycle of the year wasn't as much four seasons as it is to us now. It was two seasons. It was
03:59:01.380summer and winter. And with, you know, fall and spring being, you know, the waxing and waning of
03:59:10.280those two bigger seasons. Nick, do we have room poems to throw up for this one?
03:59:20.120Excellent. Ice is very cold. No, negative. That's Issa, flag on the play. All right. Plenty,
04:00:03.120in those what I think is worth noting in all of those
04:00:10.880though this is the year it's the year not in an objective sense it's in a very positive sense
04:00:21.360it's the positive culmination of that year it's a successful year it's a year of plenty it's a
04:00:28.920year of fruit. It's not a year of famine. It's not a year of desolation. This is the idealized
04:00:36.560good year of your, your planting works. You're having a bountiful harvest. Your larders are
04:00:44.660full through the winter. You're celebrating. The Anglo-Saxon is a little bit Jesus-y,
04:00:52.060But if you apply it to religion generally, if you apply it to gods generally, the idea that whatever deity gives blessings, blesses rich and poor alike in the course of a good and healthy year, when the year is good and things are good, it affects all aspects of society.
04:01:19.280Yes, the rich have an awesome year. They have a cool time with their regattas and whatever else rich people are doing, but poor people are also not struggling. They're having a good, you know, they've got fruit on the trees and fruit in the fields and, you know, rabbits are at a high cycle and so are deer.
04:01:41.960and they when everything is working the way it should when right action plays out in the cycle
04:01:48.520of the year rich and poor alike are benefited everybody benefits from that good year happening
04:01:57.160it's nice that the norwegian mentions frodi providing bounty i think that's one of the few
04:02:05.400kind of overtly religious references in the norwegian room poem
04:02:18.840so much of our ritual cycle is focused on that abundant year the idea of
04:02:27.240encapsulating and planning in those early winter months of the year
04:02:31.480of charming the plow, of preparing for the work we're going to do,
04:02:36.900then of breaking the soil, of planting the seed,
04:20:14.500so question based on what spawn said about different ways of taking symbol
04:20:24.260where do they draw the line on what is correct and what is disrespectful
04:20:29.460Taking into account that, for example, King Halkin was forced by his people to at least put his lips in the sauce where the sacred meat was cooked.
04:20:43.760So, and I'll let Svon elaborate on this deeper, but that was for a very specific purpose.
04:21:14.100The principle was, if you're a Christian, you're not going to partake of a sacrificial feast to pagan gods.
04:21:22.240Doing so violates your Christianity and is against your faith.
04:21:31.920If the reason you weren't going to drink at a sample was because you're secretly a Muslim or a Mormon or a religious sect that doesn't drink, and we were trying to determine whether you are or you aren't,
04:21:47.560then sure if we all felt you're lying to us and we have a reason to believe that you're
04:21:55.140like a secret mormon at our ritual we might say hey first round ensemble i want you to take a sip
04:22:02.760let's see um but that's all about context if we're all on the up and up and i have no reason
04:22:10.440to think that you're you know posing as something else then if you don't happen to get a pork chop
04:22:18.520when we're all going to do stuff it's not because aha he's jewish i'm just gonna assume you weren't
04:22:25.000hungry um and in the context is key to everything one thing that having a lot of thou shalt thou
04:22:36.280shall not is comforting in a way because it tells you very clearly where the lines are
04:22:42.600and it doesn't force you necessarily to have to critically think as often
04:22:49.720also true is not nearly that easy the circumstance matters on everything
04:22:55.720a bloater assemble today could be very different from one to tomorrow if the situation radically
04:23:02.200changes. That is a strength of Alcetru, I believe, rather than a weakness. As society evolves and
04:23:11.580things come up and stuff happens, Argo, Thar, and myself, we can be quick on our feet to change what
04:23:18.600the rules are, you know, for this, that, and the other, depending upon the changing circumstance.
04:23:25.520But it's also difficult because our people really like to have a list of black and a list
04:23:32.140of white so they can feel very secure in it and it's not quite that simple it's harder than all
04:23:40.060that swan what do you have on that well i really like the fact i mean again yeah principle versus
04:23:45.520um edict if you will and again context is really important in that situation you're
04:23:52.080you're talking about at the time when um you know how con is um coming into power
04:24:01.080there's a shifting of cultural things going on at that time. The foreign religion, where do you
04:24:08.540stand? Do you stand with your people? Do you stand in relation to whatever connected kingdoms
04:24:13.680south or in England or what have you? There was a lot going on. And so a gesture towards accepting
04:24:21.420that. And again, it was very fluid in relation to a lot of that, but it was about the context
04:24:30.200of principle but you kind of answered your question in your question one thing worth
04:24:35.800noting is like you said drinking from the the the meat from the sacred cauldron um
04:24:42.680very common now if you were to go to a assemble in modern ausitut there will not be a sacral um
04:24:49.880butchering of an animal placed within a cauldron now there might be somebody out there that goes
04:24:55.400well damn it it's not a real symbol if there's not a cauldron filled with meat
04:24:59.560and and again we get into that whole argument again but it is worth contextually knowing that
04:25:07.240there was a sacred cauldron filled with the meat of a a animal that was given over and bloat
04:25:13.800to the people there was not a sacral cauldron at say the symbol in beowulf but there was also like
04:25:21.720there was no women allowed at the that symbol either so the context of that situation is
04:25:28.600different than the one that you know that that haukon was at so we know that even at the general
04:25:37.880you know windows of those times there was great changes between uh another perfect example is the
04:25:43.960the the significance of the bragaful the bragaful in amongst the the the norse was
04:25:51.720extremely high but again a lot of people can't quite figure out if it's the last horn that was
04:25:57.000drunk or if it was actually the the container in which the mead was brought out to refill the horns
04:26:04.040or refill the bowls because a lot of symbols back then were not done with a horn being passed but
04:26:10.040might have been drunk from a mead bowl or an ale bowl and that there might have been multiples that
04:26:16.440they that the uh the high table or the the folk uh presiding over the feast might be drinking from a
04:26:22.440bowl but there's other people drinking from the bowls and they were standing up and giving toast
04:26:27.480but modern house is true in the way that we do our symbols there's a horn and that horn is passed
04:26:32.680so really it comes down to understanding context of modern symbol and that's i think ultimately
04:26:41.320where your question is seeking is to understand, well, what can I do that would cause grievance in
04:26:47.420say a modern symbol? And, and we kind of go over that before symbol, you know, when we do talk
04:26:53.240about the gods of our folk, we don't, we don't invite chaos. We don't invite death. That's
04:26:59.360pretty clear at our symbols that we bring up. We talk about the gods of our folk and not other gods
04:27:05.180or other faiths or religions and things of that nature. So it's fun. I think this might be a good
04:27:10.020time um for those of you who've never been to an afa symbol this is what i say before every single
04:27:20.900afa sample first if i have the presence of mind which i seldom do i often do this at the time
04:27:32.900when i'm filling the horns i will say if anyone has oaths please speak to i'll usually pick
04:27:41.300somebody other than myself if it's a small event and i'm the one presiding i'll say me
04:27:47.300but split okay for example if everybody i want if everybody in the afa were president of some
04:27:53.460please speak with law speaker allen about any oaths that you plan to make
04:27:58.900um please clear those with him and have and he'll let me know if they're acceptable or not
04:28:03.860if you have not cleared your oath with alan please do not make it during our sumble
04:28:10.420all right so we're about to sit down to a three round
04:28:13.620sumble the astro folk assembly when we do high sumble it's in three rounds first round is to the
04:28:20.660gods um we don't raise a horn to the forces of chaos these are are raised to the icier to the
04:28:32.820gods of order that's who we worship we are also true we are loyal to the icier also please
04:28:40.420remember white man gods to which i get laughter and whatever and it's a funny line and i say
04:28:47.220no wait i'm not just saying this to be funny i wouldn't say it if i didn't have to if i hadn't
04:28:51.700learned in the past that it needs to be said white man gods only please all right round two is for
04:28:58.500our ancestors please keep this to ancestors that have passed beyond the veil if you have other
04:29:06.980members of your family that uh that you want to honor that's a really good thing to do in round
04:29:12.420three but in round two please keep this to only those ancestors who have passed also we're not
04:29:18.820going to get out skull calipers i don't know what everybody's got going on in their family tree but
04:29:24.100please ancestors that look like the rest of us to which i also get a bunch of laughs and i say
04:29:30.180i wouldn't say this if i didn't learn in the past it needed to be said all right round three the
04:29:37.460around to the heroes this is often around where people may take an oath may boast or they'll
04:29:44.100recite a poem or sing a song this is a good time to honor your other family that hasn't passed
04:29:52.180again if you have friends you want to honor that's great please make sure those friends
04:29:56.260look like the rest of us and then i go into symbol that's typically what i say about
04:30:02.500symbol if i'm going to host it whenever i do some i didn't mean to distract your train of thought
04:30:10.340but i thought there may be a lot of people listening that have never been to one
04:30:14.900and maybe that i guess another note on an afa symbol at high symbol we pass the horn from us
04:30:26.820to one of our horn bearers which is you know usually the women in rank who are there it'll
04:30:34.740usually it'll be witten callahan if she's there if not it'll be one of our githias if they are there
04:30:41.860and they'll figure out the you know it's usually three different women for the three different
04:30:46.740rounds and so they will have it they will pass it to a uh you know the person who's speaking
04:30:55.300that person passes it back to them then they proceed to the next person so it goes from
04:31:01.700woman's hands to whoever speaking back to the woman's hands then to whoever's speaking to the
04:31:07.700point where it's kind of awkward and silly they come at the very end they'll hand me the horn
04:31:13.220i will hand it back to them and then they speak whatever they're going to say over the horn
04:31:17.860Nick mentioned a Thula that position is an enforcer over the horn and it's really
04:31:31.840important in an AFA symbol I try to assign that to someone so it's not them choosing to be the
04:31:38.080bad guy it's literally I put it on their shoulders and I'm watching them to make sure they do their
04:31:43.060So it's not their fault. It's their duty to speak up if somebody says something bad over the horn.
04:31:50.200Now, a couple of things with that. If you violate any of the things that I mentioned beforehand, yes, to stop it and knock it off.
04:31:59.940If you're drunk and ought not be speaking over the horn, you know, they don't just snatch you up and chuck you out back.
04:32:08.580they take you aside and say hey seems like you've had a little bit much we're gonna ask you to go
04:32:14.260sit over here you know have somebody take you home or whatever um if somebody starts to make
04:32:22.180an oath and alan's told me nobody's cleared oaths with them hey now hold up and then they stop it
04:32:29.300and and redirect that if somebody maybe is getting too um too loose with their talk maybe they're
04:32:38.020they're cursing or they're getting a little bit crass with a joke they're making again this is
04:32:42.580lighthearted it's fun but it's also very respectful and so sometimes people may go a little bit
04:32:48.020overboard that also the the thula would you know reel them back in if somebody were to say something
04:32:57.140completely outlandish then yeah they would stop they would toss it out we'd refill the horn we'd
04:33:02.900eject that person from Sumble and deal with that later. But yeah, that's their job. It's a job that
04:33:09.400I put on them. So it's not, it's not their fault if they irritate you. It's ultimately my fault if
04:33:16.700they have to do something to you because you did something wrong. Because it's really easy to,
04:33:22.660especially in this day and age when we're not used to it, to take issue with a person who would have
04:33:26.640the audacity to question you're doing something but in our uh our hall culture that's a time
04:33:35.340honored and a sacred job that's their thing is to challenge oaths and boasts um if you read beowulf
04:33:42.720you know they get pretty spicy with it if somebody's like hey i'm gonna do this that or
04:33:48.160the other like oh yeah well what about when you did this well what about this right i don't think
04:33:54.060you are what happens if you don't that usually doesn't happen in an afa symbol again we're not
04:34:01.760in a ancient danish meat hall we're in a 2023 poff or wherever we're at but the position is
04:34:11.500still there and it's very important i didn't mean to sidetrack you if you can pick back up where you
04:34:15.880left off please do if not we can move on i just thought it was useful at that time to kind of
04:34:21.260bring that up well and you said hall culture and again that that is um the the idea that it's not
04:34:28.300always mentioned that there's a thuller at say uh at halkan's uh feast because again symbol in in
04:34:36.220old norse means feast or festivity um but it's clearly present in beowulf and that takes place
04:34:43.740in denmark so there there's this understanding that again whole culture at that time especially
04:34:50.060with the warriors the things uh gathering in in the hall with with the lord and again a boast is
04:34:57.980actually in that story was very interesting is it's not an oath that gets tested it's a boast
04:35:03.020in which they will makes his boast and he gets contested with it because the origins of that
04:35:08.860boast according to the you know there's a rumor that that wasn't the case and then there's like
04:35:13.660there's a a flighting back and forth between them um no here's the thing if you were to do that
04:35:21.340reputation i've talked about how important reputation is and i've mentioned it's funny how
04:35:28.700it's weird literally how these things connect i just had this conversation with people
04:35:35.500sometimes when you get in a peer group or you guys sit around start telling war stories about whatever
04:35:43.660i found this when i was bouncing and it was really cool when i was bouncing i had like a team of 13
04:35:48.700guys and there's all this stuff and at the end of the night everybody's telling their stories
04:35:53.500over the course of years i'd watch and there'd be these rookie guys they would tell these stories
04:35:58.540about what stuff they did and i'm like no stop that was me hold up i was there you were telling
04:36:04.540my story but they heard it so many times that they just internalized it that was a thing in
04:36:12.460our ancestors time when we knew the engagement of battles we knew who was in the front rank
04:36:19.260we knew who slew so and so or who was the hero of this engagement who was the hero of this battle
04:36:26.140who we know who did some of these deeds and if someone would step up and take credit for something
04:36:31.980that they didn't do that would get challenged because what we do over the horn and this is
04:36:37.580another important thing it's fun i am stepping all over your answer to this question i apologize
04:36:44.140but these are things that occur to me for a long time spawn and i have talked about this we still
04:36:48.700need to do it but we wanted to do a how-to of like here's an example of what an afa bloat looks like
04:36:55.100here's an example of what an afa symbol looks like for those of you who may not have experienced
04:37:00.220to announce a true sambal um the whole concept of the sambal ritual is that the horn that we are
04:37:11.720all sharing from represents the well that the the tree yggdrasil is is fed from so if we put in good
04:37:23.740words and we speak of good deeds and we're honest over the horn then our tree our world is made
04:37:33.500stronger our reality is made stronger and better if we poison that well by speaking lies by making
04:37:43.660oaths that we don't fulfill then it's an exponential poison when we do something
04:37:49.900ritually it becomes more than the sum of its parts when we all share of our accomplishments
04:37:56.220something magical happens to where it is worth more when done ritually together but the same
04:38:03.980it cuts both ways if somebody's in there lying or you know being a dirt bag and saying something's
04:38:09.980not true that spoils it for everyone so we guard that well so that we are feeding the tree of our
04:38:19.100existence of our communal existence as a folk as a as a people together as an afa family
04:38:26.540with poison and so we try to stop that and that's why it's really important
04:38:31.340to have alan talk to you about your oaths for example i had a guy come up to me at uh
04:38:38.700sumble at baldershoff for free fax and we didn't have alan there i figured like hey cool come talk
04:38:47.100to me if you're going to make an oath he came to me and he had a great oath it was very well
04:38:52.300intentioned but it wasn't well thought out it was about eagerness like hey i've oath to do
04:38:58.220everything i can for x and i'm like hold up now everything you can what if that meant this what
04:39:05.100if it meant oh wow maybe i didn't think this all the way through no that's cool so think about what
04:39:12.220you would oath that you are willing to give or willing to do and come back to me so it's really
04:39:17.980important it's not always because somebody is malicious but it's important not just that we're
04:39:24.060we're not but that we think out what we say and what we commit to over the horn
04:39:29.660um so yeah if you guys haven't been to assemble
04:39:33.740a bloat connects us with our gods and our gift cycle but a sample connects us to each other in
04:39:43.960a really special way and you see everyone sharing really personal things about themselves and their
04:39:50.840family and it ties us together as a group in a really touching way if you've been to one
04:40:21.260so swan's son sent a really cool sample notes that i will always remember because of this
04:40:33.260it was just really neat and i remember it to this day and it was like i don't know 2016 or something
04:40:38.620it was something he was told but was not the truth but he being a young young boy took it for
04:40:46.860truth uh yeah in relation to uh my grandfather but that was not the case
04:40:55.740but he took it for truth and he he's he spoke of it and it it got a bunch of chuckles and and
04:41:03.740laughs but that's because it was kind of like in the sense of uh you know when you you tell a child
04:41:11.000you know don't do this because you end up getting your face stuck or something of that it was
04:41:14.660it was in lines with that that you know you're gonna it's it's so sumble is so beautiful because
04:41:20.540you get that when kids do sumble toast most often i haven't seen this a lot you know every now and
04:41:27.420again kids will do something silly or or disrespectful to get attention but in sumble
04:41:35.060more often i've seen kids give some really touching sumble toasts that are just
04:41:40.560simple, but really from the heart and really moving. And it's one of the times I get to see
04:41:49.520our children participate in a really special way.
04:41:54.420Yeah, that was him giving honor to my grandfather. But then he side noted and said,
04:42:00.300even though he, you know, died with the mashed potatoes in his face, and that was like
04:42:06.220something that he took in relation to not eating over you know playing around at the table or
04:42:12.600I can't remember exactly how it came about but it was a tail end of that that he had just assumed
04:42:18.600that it was it was real and it was not and he kind of threw it at the end even though he was
04:42:23.780giving honor and I was like oh no no it's it's life lessons but it you know the these uh these
04:42:33.360positions and understanding that when you take to symbol a lot of people will say like for instance
04:42:38.800that symbols were always done kind of in the hall so uh it's not a real symbol if you do it outside
04:42:44.640or if you do it in a place that has just a roof but no walls i've heard people argue that before
04:42:50.640and um it kills me but the the real point of it is is that all the folk are sitting around
04:42:57.120uh unilaterally to each other and there's an ascendancy towards the gods a divine aspect
04:43:03.360and then there is the the the ascendancy and descendancy where we talk about those of the past
04:43:10.240or those that have fallen or those that have gone beyond the veil so we first speak of the gods then
04:43:16.000we speak of those that come before us and then we and the last round is about all of us and that
04:43:22.000that involves boasting so ourselves um giving thanks or gifts to those present or oaths that
04:43:30.240bind us so it goes upper lower and back to middle again making the full cycle
04:43:36.000of thing if we're sitting around in sambal doing sambal i've been in a sambal of over a hundred
04:43:43.840people and it's daunting i don't wish to necessarily it is a good problem to have but
04:43:53.440But if we're sitting there doing sample with a hundred people, honoring our gods and honoring our heroes and our families, and you're sitting in mom's basement with a mouthful of pizza roll, giving us a hard time, I think you should rethink that.
04:44:16.780Everybody's going to have a different rule in their samples.
04:48:18.760No, I was going to, I've been to ones where drunks were asked to leave.
04:48:24.440And I don't, sometimes I think we all find ourselves past a point where we thought we'd get, sometimes when I was younger, my tolerance is really high.
04:48:39.100So to keep up with everybody, I'd slam Everclear at parties or whatever else to keep up with whatever they were doing.
04:48:45.860And by the time I got where everybody else was, it was about a half an hour before I was just gone because it was already in the system.
04:48:55.400I didn't know it. Everybody messes up on where their limits are at. Things happen.
04:49:00.200I have seen people that have had too much and we've all been there in some way or another.
04:49:04.320and to where people have asked them to leave or where, you know, the thuler has walked them out
04:49:10.100and said, hey, you're staying out here. Here's some water. We'll come get you after the thing.
04:49:15.740And so far, that's been received very well the times that I've seen it happen.
04:49:22.680But I will say this. It's really important if you're hosting a sample,
04:49:28.020tell everyone beforehand what the rules are. Even if you think everyone knows,
04:49:32.820I have learned from experience that they don't.
04:49:37.680The funny laugh lines that come in my speech beforehand,
04:49:43.760it's because I learned the hard way and with great embarrassment.
04:49:48.820Common sense is not as common as you think it is.
04:49:53.180So setting those rules before everybody starts is a good way for everybody
04:49:58.920yeah i think just to answer that question kind of re bringing it back to that is that you know
04:50:06.540if you kind of go against those rules that in our whole culture today is uh uh can can be seen as
04:50:14.080you know a faux pas bearing towards an offense as long as it's taken back down or recalibrated
04:50:20.900and understood oh you know and it's met with civility and nobility about it then there there
04:50:27.200can be an even an overstepping that can be brought back um sometimes you know the there are people
04:50:34.200that will talk while someone else is talking and holding the horn and that's kind of seen sometimes
04:50:39.360as an offense and you're not even talking it's just that you're carrying on a conversation with
04:50:43.220someone next to you uh without a sense of urgency or importance and that can be kind of disrespectful
04:50:49.060because everyone's having their moment to speak about the gods or speak about their ancestors or
04:50:54.440speak about those that are present uh or or you know a boast or an oath that they want to state
04:51:01.320and it's just disrespectful um you end up going through this again like with i'm bringing your
04:51:07.960back in on this one is that it is a cycle it is that starting in the center starting in the middle
04:51:13.000ascendancy up talking about the gods then descending down and talking about the veil
04:51:17.080and those who pass beyond it our origins where we come from the people that we we hold great
04:51:21.960importance of who came before us and then bringing it back to the middle where you share accolades
04:51:28.520of either praise gift boast oath or sometimes uh even the creative third round is where sometimes
04:51:38.120music is even played or uh accolades of something that was created i uh you know or someone would
04:51:45.240recite a poem maybe even a poem that they didn't write they'll they openly admit that i just
04:51:49.560memorize this poem because it means so much but i want to recite it and it's kind of a chance for
04:51:54.520people to get a break from the there's a lot of emotional pull there's again the ascendancy towards
04:52:00.440the gods is usually elevated and happy and then the descendancy towards those who came before us
04:52:06.440is usually sad and or oftentimes just memories and sharing in the you know the laments of those
04:52:12.200that we've lost and then it brings it back to the center and there's sometimes there's jovialness
04:52:16.600and there's joking but when you go to assemble some places might not let you drink while you
04:52:21.800know the only thing alcohol that's being drunk is from the horn and that might be because of reasons
04:52:26.600that happened before you were even there somebody got too deep in the horns and said something out
04:52:31.880sometimes there's food eaten and uh you know they don't there's no problem with you drinking
04:52:38.280like having a beer and eating your food while stumble is going on it just depends on the
04:52:44.600uh situation how many people there are if you're assembled with 150 people
04:52:49.080maybe having the ability to drink and eat is perfectly acceptable but if there's like five
04:52:53.720or six people and this is focused and very very straightforward maybe there is no drinking and
04:52:59.480there is no eating it's you pay attention to the person with the horn because there's six of you
04:53:04.040and you're but you're building that cycle with each other by the end of it the intention is to
04:53:09.800weave a tighter closer knit um uh relationship with each other and that often involves you know
04:53:19.880listening to people's stories about their ancestors about the gods that they
04:53:24.760they hold in high regard or have been blessed by or or what have you so you know taking respect
04:53:31.160during symbol is is the first step towards not breaking any cultural hall etiquette
04:53:39.800all right so the next question question for Svan you specifically is it true that Tyr was once the
04:53:51.800high God of Germanic society or is this a rumor due to his name having the same Proto-Indo-European
04:53:59.000root as Zeus and Jupiter I would say that this is more along the lines of rumor again um when we
04:54:08.660talk about the word uh or uh davos or davas or any of that the correlation clearly amongst the
04:54:19.700like with uh deus or devas amongst the the uh hindus it's always in correlation to a shining
04:54:28.100one but devas could mean gods in general and so the words of both house and uh tear or uh
04:54:37.700both correlate to a god a divine being um tier in and of himself we know in the old one of the
04:54:46.500oldest testaments is tacitus in which he says the germans hold stately sacrifice to um uh aries and
04:54:57.460to um uh hercules and you know it's most people are are automatically correlating this to tier and
04:55:07.140to um thor but hold in highest regard mercury and i think that tacitus was kind of noting this
04:55:15.460because the romans had a tendency to do that was to correlate their religion to others and that
04:55:20.740the germanic folk he was kind of like isn't that kind of interesting they they hold with with such
04:55:26.740high regard to to the you know lord of of of language or runes and uh speech and poetry and
04:55:34.820And, you know, and he correlates this and we take that as to being woven in direct correlation to Mercury.
04:55:42.340But his assertions of that aren't necessarily, I would say, even correct.
04:55:49.180It's just, again, it's his kind of interpretation of another branch of Arian's religion.
04:55:55.260um but it's worth noting again that a lot of people when they hear uh when you you think of
04:56:03.960the word deus devas uh you know any sort of derivative of the of the name being godly
04:56:13.000uh can apply to multiple it can apply to a singular and not always is it the case
04:56:18.960necessarily that uh like amongst some of the slobs the the davos is so static that all of the gods
04:56:27.400that descend from in their branch underneath it are the ones that are moving dynamically you know
04:56:35.180there's fighting there's there's uh stories but but all the while the deus is kind of above and
04:56:41.740out of um and i think that tears share some of that in the sense of his staticness
04:56:48.940but again i'm speaking of the three thrones we see dynamic throne with ovin as the most important
04:56:56.620and the stasis throne the the uh ability to hold position is not as high in our cultural sense
04:57:04.460even now today in also true so you know that respects tier follows in much of all the arian
04:57:13.340traditions of the god that is brought to a position of non-movement because of a sacrifice
04:57:23.260a sacrifice that is not gained for knowledge but a sacrifice that's to stave off there's the the
04:57:30.300loss of the sword hand and the idea of tier being brought outside of his ability
04:57:39.020in uh you know the the the symbology of losing the sword and to stave off chaos is in an essence kind
04:57:47.020of a bringing to stasis um but i've heard people say oh no you know tier can't be uh a sky god in
04:57:56.860any respects because there's no you know correlation to him but clearly in the rune poems that and we'll
04:58:01.900we'll cover with um later on tier is clearly referenced to the north star um and i don't
04:58:09.980think that that's just happenstance um but understanding the germanic tripartite i think
04:58:19.500is more important understanding that oven is the dynamic lord the old father head of the gods he's
04:58:26.860the one that moves in and out. Whereas in another branch of, of, uh, Arian faith, his throne might
04:58:37.960be different in a cultural sense. And you can see this in every branch, whether again, like I said,
04:58:44.980it's Tyrannus. Tyrannus was, uh, you know, so far as we know, amongst the Gauls, one of the highest
04:58:51.660of the tripartite. And he's the striker, the bearer of the wheel, the bearer of the club.
04:58:58.780Whereas, you know, Teratatus is seen as the static throne adjudicator and Esus is seen as the healer
04:59:07.100and so, or of magic, we see that tripartite again being played out. The Hellenics, you know,
04:59:13.460they even numbered theirs, you know, Deus Pater or Zeus, you know, having the singular scepter or
04:59:20.780singular lightning bolt um and uh poseidon having the trident and a lot of people forget that
04:59:28.700amongst for them the god of death adeos or adios or hadios plutonius had a biden so it's literally
04:59:36.460one two and three of course the greeks had to use straight out numbers to hit their tripartite
04:59:42.460is always kind of fun to me and and like oh well done but um again if you're trying to correlate
04:59:52.300that tear was once the head of the gods and that oh then you served him i've heard this argument
04:59:58.940that odin was really a human and a wizard that took over you know the the pantheon of that's
05:00:05.900you know with all of our knowledge of understanding of central germanic belief knowing that the gods
05:00:13.500uh that they honored most likely were woven us tewas and thuneras um you can see that their
05:00:21.260tripartite is kind of already built with woe than us being at the head of that at the time
05:00:25.900um but i think it changes depending on which arian branch you're talking about in those thrones
05:00:31.740it's i think more important to understand not or not understand it's more important not to
05:00:38.140relegate here as just being not a god i think there are certain people who are doing that and
05:00:43.420that is not correct and not right not pious um that it's just a name or a title that can be
05:00:49.820given to any god whether it's heimdall or loki or what have you there's just a lot of confusion
05:00:56.140in the nordic branch about tir in one hand he's mentioned as being the son of a jotun the other
05:01:03.020hand he's mentioned as being the son of odin and so i think that shows confusion um i and it's worth
05:01:10.620noting like did the germanics that tacitus ran into did they believe the gods as being the sons
05:01:17.420of or the fathers of or did they see the gods as singular and you know unilateral or was there
05:01:25.580hierarchy built on a different concept because tacitus doesn't go into it and so or we see
05:01:31.660again in upsala thor is at the center and then there's odin and frey or frodi at that time
05:01:39.340they're tripartite or maybe it could have been seasonal as to the reason why thor was in the
05:01:43.580center of that and so i think there's a lot more fluidity in understanding the thrones of power
05:01:50.540and the way the ends uh the arian branches deal with their interactions with the very real gods
05:01:58.860and that's where i think people get caught up and again you know the stories that we when we talk
05:02:04.460about the adas or we talk about even the hellenic gods the philosophes were destroying the hellenic
05:02:10.220religion wholesale towards uh the turning and the rising of their time when the philosophes
05:02:17.900were kind of pondering things they were trying to get rid of a lot of the religiosity of the
05:02:24.060hellenic people and so the stories were often relegated to dramas and some of them were raunchy
05:02:30.380and were uh you know again exonerated by the actors who were acting these out to you know
05:02:37.580bear forth um a good story or a moral story and so a lot of the religiosity of the hellenics
05:02:44.140got misconstrued by the hellenics and in the later you know dates of the classical periods
05:02:50.440where the philistos were changing things or they were they were discussing about perhaps the oneness
05:02:55.660of all the gods or things of that nature it's happened the same with us in the adas i you know
05:03:01.700a lot of people will say snorri you know was misaligned or he changed things and to a degree
05:03:09.120i would i would agree on certain things absolutely i can see where maybe he made them more like
05:03:15.120hellenic gods with the intent of showing the verses of the nordic people to be in comparison
05:03:22.400with homeric epics and and things of that and then of course there are christian elements as
05:03:27.840well that he was no doubtedly influenced by from his own upbringing but when you read the stories
05:03:35.440a lot of these uh kind of arian myth truths and arcs still remain whether it's king nawada losing
05:03:43.920his arm or tear losing his hand there's again the the idea of the uh the war the drayton the warlord
05:03:51.840or the chieftain that somehow is no longer in a position of governance or in a position of
05:03:57.920dynamicism now he's brought into a position of stasis because he's no longer whole that is an
05:04:04.080Arian truth across, across many branches, or the fact that it was Tyr that, you know, bound the
05:04:10.920wolf. Um, it, it somehow most people think, well, okay, if Odin didn't bind the wolf and if Odin
05:04:19.400didn't bring runes to mankind, then that makes Odin less then. And that's, I think, a big thing
05:04:25.200that people are constantly trying to force the gods into things. Why cannot Heimdall bring forth
05:04:32.320the runes uh just as much when we look in the hellenics and we see prometheus you know there
05:04:38.720is the the the uh the the psychopomp between the gods and man um and and that illumination that is
05:04:45.520brought with it um you know and the binding of the wolf does not constitute some sort of lessening
05:04:52.560elsewhere you know perhaps tear bound his hand to the wolf in order to not hinder
05:04:58.480odin and and he took that sacrifice upon himself but uh i think a lot of people get caught up in
05:05:06.900the in the details and the minutia of that and i think it's worth better knowing and interacting
05:05:11.700with the with tir and with odin and with thor and all the gods in understanding their their throne
05:05:18.080and how they interact with us culturally uh and what they mean i think that a lot of people are
05:05:25.900becoming very irreverent towards tir and uh i don't think that's good and i think that's um
05:05:32.540you know they're uh mixing things around or the story of harbar there and harbar there is an
05:05:38.060oven it's loki that that's when you start getting into some crazy stuff where it's like ah you guys
05:05:44.780are really just taking some wide angles on on the stories of the gods but if you look at the thrones
05:05:52.940and you see for instance in the slavic um stories svarag is static velez and perun they fight each
05:06:01.500other and the story of hard brother and thor is very reminiscent of that same relationship
05:06:08.780and perhaps there is a overarching aryan uh story or moral to that in the idea of of the dynamic
05:06:18.860versus the catalystic and once you start looking at it in that way takes on a very interesting tone
05:06:24.940and i don't think it detracts from any of the gods and i think that's the big thing is try not to
05:06:31.260force or jam or take away from any of the gods hold them in high regard and see them
05:06:38.140in the fulfillment of their of the true divine positions
05:06:42.300speaking of lord tier our next question matt do you know what states will be in the tiershoff
05:06:51.820district to be decided but as it is right now
05:07:04.780if i had to draw that map right this second tennessee kentucky
05:07:09.980Kentucky, Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas, and Oklahoma.
05:07:21.360That's what I would say as of right this second. Some of that is subject to change.
05:07:27.100A lot of those are kind of far flung. Again, I would really like to see Braggieshoff
05:07:33.360help us with stuff in the middle in the middle south there it would be nice to get
05:07:41.660new mexico texas oklahoma arizona kind of in one area um right now they're separated
05:07:56.280drastically from each of the hoffs that they get put in that hoff district and uh like to see like
05:08:03.960to see that get um get changed in the future i know a lot of folks are getting tired we are
05:08:14.060five hours in but that's okay because victory never sleeps and neither do we um folks can
05:08:21.680always listen to this on the broadcast later or if we stay up long enough our international
05:08:26.440membership can start rolling in if they would like to the next question from three and a half hours
05:08:37.080ago mary asks are you as you just said our gods created our world how does one explain deserts
05:08:48.280this is from way back when swan um dropped the call for a few minutes
05:08:54.440but yeah swan if our gods created the world how do you explain deserts
05:09:00.760well remember the middle world is a culmination of interactions there is
05:09:07.480nivolheim muspelheim bonaheim jotunheim i think it's worth understanding that in the center
05:09:15.080all of these forces are coalescing together that the the the overall understanding of the middle
05:09:25.080world is again one that you could scientifically understand or mythically understand and oftentimes
05:09:30.880they're not against each other uh just because there's mythos does not mean that there's anti
05:09:37.100science or uh you know again it's like what i was saying before if you honor tier that doesn't make
05:09:42.860oh then less or if you honor heimdall it doesn't make oh then less a lot of people have this kind
05:09:47.680of scale system when you talk about the middle world first and foremost we're you know the
05:09:55.840middle world is the physical world and it's bound by natural law and natural law is in
05:10:00.720escapable cycles whether it's life death uh birth procreation we talk about in a biological sense
05:10:09.440When we talk about, for instance, you specifically said desert, so now we're talking about the land. We see those forces, the forces that supersede into the center. Whether we talk about physical forces of nature, chaos, the tearing apart of order, the breaking apart of the center line.
05:10:34.640As we see the shifting of environmental forces in the middle world as being a battle between the gods of order and the forces of resistance or chaos, Jotunheim is that. It exudes that and is constantly there. Thor is there to keep that in balance.
05:10:54.940There's all, again, I made mention right before I got dropped off the call because of the internet and the idea that the stuff of creation, the body of Ymir that has been ordered and shaped is huge forces in which the gods in their power have the ability to kind of be wardened over.
05:11:24.620or to place within or interact with through the well they place themselves into the middle world
05:11:33.580through the well the jotuns kind of do the same thing with their flow or usurpation or breaking
05:11:39.580of the barrier and then they have to be beaten back again that balance has to be made and it
05:11:44.780could be said like well it's a it's a jotun that has broken the reins and it's thor that beats him
05:11:50.540back or we could say again that there's these forces of resistance and the forces of or force
05:11:56.380of order and equilibrium that are contested and they're brought back into a unilateral sense where
05:12:03.900we're not you know our our environment is not so inhospitable that that uh the folk can't live in
05:12:10.620it but these forces are playing out with each other all over again the aspects of the earth when
05:12:17.500you know i think a lot of people just want like an earth mommy but that's not
05:12:21.020the way our ancestors saw that is you know yours was the giving earth uh but grither is the you
05:12:28.540know the violent earth and gather is the fruitful you know earth of of giving so they these goddesses
05:12:36.620have warden over those those aspects of all that is playing out in the physical and in the in the
05:12:42.380reality of time and material um and that's how their powers do interact here so when you have
05:12:49.740that there is you know a takeaway there is a push forward there is abundance of life and there is
05:12:57.020depletion of life there cannot be anything that's just unilaterally one way across all things it's
05:13:03.500not the way natural law works so as these forces interact in the material in time and in the place
05:13:10.860that is the center we have this push this pull this about this growing out or a recession in
05:13:17.980there's the drying out and the over i guess hydration if you will um i don't want to make
05:13:24.140it so simple but at the same time that's what it is is this the way we see things and why it's so
05:13:30.220important that the middle world is in the center of that encapsulation that jotunheim isn't
05:13:36.700somewhere else or somewhere off in the lower and and out and no those forces are interacting in
05:13:42.620the middle um there's a reason why it was placed that way and while why the garter is always kind
05:13:49.260of being influenced um you know when we talk about whether it's uh like when fenris is bound
05:13:57.900and his he's taken to jotunheim and then his his slobber or his the spittle of his of his uh
05:14:06.460veminance leaks out of his mouth and bleeds into the water and bleeds in that is clearly
05:14:15.100like mythos language of the idea of the influence of fenris's malice and chaos kind of seeping into
05:14:20.940the middle world um and so even though he's bound he's not gone or you know and i often say you know
05:14:27.180like what happens in the halls of the gods so does happens in in the hearts of men i'm referring to
05:14:32.540to the binding of Fenris and his, now that he's in Jotunheim, he's in a position in which there
05:14:38.060is a resistance flux that's coming in from there. But it's not all negative. Vanaheim and the bounty
05:14:45.440of life that comes from Vanaheim, the cycle of life and death, the mystery of the shadowy water
05:14:51.500and the dark earth that both gives and also swallows up, the Vanir and Vanaheim is clearly
05:15:00.500influxing in there and then there is of course uh when we talk about muspelheim and niflheim as
05:15:06.180cosmic heat and proto matter of the universe the the fact that heat and cold do not change it's
05:15:14.180just whether we're talking macro or micro the idea of both the polaric forces of
05:15:20.260condensement and matter versus expansion and heat and dissipation all of these things are being
05:15:26.580played out in the material in the center and that's why we have you know uh a plethora of of
05:15:36.660existences and the way things work because nature the gods all things divine it all repeats itself
05:15:44.180whether micro or macro in multiplicity and it's all about interactions of push and pull the era
05:15:51.140symbol of of the takeaway and the push out or the the turning of things all of it takes place
05:15:58.580in a perfect unison both negative and positive in the middle in midgard that was a very short
05:16:07.380question and a very long answer i knew i could count on you so heated myself up some ham um
05:16:15.940All right, so the next question, again from the Wolf Throne, serious question, and I apologize
05:16:26.900if I come off annoying. I'm still new to polytheism, and I'm learning, but I'm genuinely
05:16:33.440trying to understand. If the pantheons are separate, then is it appropriate to honor
05:16:39.480other arian gods outside of the teutonic pantheon am i still quote true to the icier unquote
05:16:49.080if i give an offering to zeus or perun at my altar
05:16:59.240i think fundamentally for okay before all that you're not annoying your questions are awesome
05:17:05.240they've been some of our really good ones that have provoked you know verbose and interesting
05:17:11.000conversation tonight no no problem at all i'm glad that you're here i'm glad that you're asking
05:17:15.880questions and i encourage everybody else to do so also um and this is a point i didn't
05:17:27.800hit on with the uh per your question but i think it's relevant
05:17:35.240I'm trying to think of the best way to communicate this to where it makes sense.
05:17:52.440If we reduce everything down and there's only one or two gods or whatever they want to reduce it to, and you give worship to all these other gods that are just the one or the two gods by different names, what's the harm?
05:18:15.980if you you know if you were always talking about how awesome matt is the all's hair you go through
05:18:25.900or matt the dude at the gym or matt the guy that's drinking the you know drinking too much on the
05:18:31.780podcast or matt the guy that went and is eating some ham all those are me no part of me is going
05:18:39.540to be offended. But if the gods are all separate, and you treat them all as if they're whatever
05:18:49.660one you arbitrarily decide they are, then there's gods of our folk that are getting
05:18:55.300left out, and that's unacceptable to me. So that's not a direct correlation of this,
05:19:01.360But it goes, if the Norse pantheon of our gods is complete and accurate in the way that we're honoring our gods, why would you go outside of that to honor them in a different and less one-for-one way?
05:19:26.540if you decided to honor your Slavic roots by honoring Thor as Perun, I think you'd probably
05:19:35.740be okay. If you want to honor Zeus, is Zeus, Zeus, or is Zeus a mixture of Odin and Thor and,
05:19:48.820and, and, um, I don't know. Why would you do that? If you believe in Ausatru and you're true
05:19:58.020to the Aesir, then quote unquote Zeus or Perun, if those are understanding of, of the Aryan gods,
05:20:11.460they would get their honor with you making your offerings to Odin and Thor and Tyr.
05:20:19.960Those God forces would get their praise that way.
05:20:25.460So, no, I don't think it's some horrible offense, and I don't think it is wrong to do so per se,
05:20:32.140but I would ask why and what benefit that gives you.
05:35:26.360completely legitimate arian practice we could have me doing a rune pull spawn
05:35:36.760being a horospex and like playing around with the entrails of sacrificed animals
05:35:43.320and you know rob interpreting the flight of birds or the running of the running of horses
05:35:54.760and like the movement of a herd of horses
05:35:58.320those are all legitimate arian divinatory practices based on the spiritual might of
05:36:08.880each of us, assuming all of our spiritual gravitas was equal, we should come up with
05:36:17.580a very similar conclusion, even though we go about it in very, very different ways.
05:36:25.700It's not a, it's not nearly as, there is an art to it, and it's not so much a science,
05:36:38.360it's your ability to interpret and to see through a lens and if you staring into the hog guts
05:36:48.600makes you pop up with the right answer okay i've never trained in that i don't know what to look
05:36:56.440for i don't know my touchstones on that and what would make sense but it's all through seeing
05:37:02.120things through that lens and how you set up your preconceived understanding of what these things
05:37:12.480mean makes a big difference. Svon and I could each do a three-room pull,
05:37:19.140draw completely different runes, and come up with the same answer.
05:37:23.100And we would go to it through a different route, but the spiritual gravitas comes in how you interpret the information to make it make sense.
05:37:38.560and that's an interplay with any of these things there is a beyond the veil element
05:37:46.540that is working through the runes there is a element of
05:37:54.220yeah there's an interplay between that and then the casters wisdom and spiritual
05:38:04.360enlightenment that way and understanding on how to interpret those messages. All of those things
05:38:11.940happen through a medium of quasi-randomness that goes with these rune poles. And it provides a
05:38:23.200it provides a medium for the connection between the beyond and you on how this all works out
05:38:35.180and the gravitas of the entity on the other side
05:38:41.640interplays with the gravitas of the room practitioner to come to the accuracy or the
05:38:50.700validity of the pull and it's a it's a very complex interplay of things but it's
05:39:00.300if you've done them and you know when you're really on or when something clicks
05:39:03.980or you've seen when it works or when it doesn't it's very special when you see that and there's
05:39:10.540no way i can communicate that on this broadcast in any way it's going to make sense unless you've
05:39:16.460done it or unless you've been the subject of someone good at at it who does that for you
05:39:22.700and you've seen the truth of it but sometimes it'll it'll absolutely blow you away
05:39:29.740our next question if a person joins the afa can they keep it private that their name won't be
05:39:36.700shown or on any site or anywhere else yes with one caveat first your name is your association
05:39:48.940with the afa is entirely up to you if you come to events we take pictures we share those pictures
05:39:54.940it's how we grow we're not going to stop it because you don't like it but if you're aware
05:40:00.860of those things you can be the guy that takes the pictures and you can just kind of be aware
05:40:05.820and step aside the thing that's important is that just is no your real legal name and legal
05:40:12.700information will be in our database that's important because it lets afa leadership and
05:40:18.460leadership only see your information and be able to run background checks to make sure you're not
05:40:25.820a sex offender to make sure you're a safe person to have our families around but your privacy on
05:40:33.260how involved or how not involved you want to be that's entirely up to you and no we don't publish
05:40:39.020you know so-and-so's an afa member we don't acknowledge anybody's an afa member unless
05:40:45.340they want us to and have given us the permission to do that or step forward as a member of
05:40:49.740leadership with the understanding that we're going to do that all right so nick skipped this one on
05:40:58.540accident should have been the first one but it wasn't uh good evening how's y'all how is y'all's
05:41:06.860tonight though uh mine's going pretty good getting a little bit tired but i'm gonna keep going until
05:41:13.500we got what we got finally broke down i was hungry i'm eating myself some ham um
05:41:20.540but i'm doing pretty good how are you doing sivan i'm doing well i am uh excited uh
05:41:28.540winter winter finding is coming upon us we're in the felling moon and finally the turning towards
05:41:34.780uh here in the south it's it's it's been hot it's been um muggy and i'm i'm looking forward
05:41:41.980to the turning tide of um in the hunting season and cold weather and um celebrating um all the
05:41:51.820fruits of you know apples and pumpkins and uh it's it's good i'm i'm excited
05:42:00.940a little sore because of working out but you know that's a that's a constant
05:42:10.380it's a good sore though it's a good sore all right
05:42:14.620okay i'll tell you go to see what afa accomplishments would you like to see
05:42:19.820during your time as also you go to uh what's on your afa bucket list do you what on your afa
05:42:28.060afa bucket list do you want to see before you pass on the mantle so that's a good question
05:42:36.060unless i am stricken with some debilitating mental illness
05:42:43.180and even then i hope somebody like props me up and makes me look better than i am
05:42:49.200a weekend at bernie's kind of situation you got to do what you got to do but i don't plan
05:42:56.220on passing anything on until i pass beyond the veil
05:42:59.580So, it's hard because it's easy when there's not a defined time limit to like, ah, I could live to be 115, technically.
05:43:19.460Further you project into the future, the more, I don't know, the more fanciful and less specific I can be.
05:43:29.580I would like to see Hoffs to our first 12 gods that we have a plan for and a Hoff to Mother Frigg and Lady Freya.
05:43:43.140So I'd like to see 14 Hoffs established in my time.
05:43:49.920I would like very much, and this is part of part of that, I'd like to see Sigurheim get developed.
05:43:56.860I'd like there to be, you know, a half dozen families at least, if not more, living on the property.
05:44:04.820I'd like to see more property added to it that'll change that equation.
05:44:08.580I'd like to see Tiershoff built up and running there and be part of that.
05:44:13.680I'd like to see the great hall that we have planned there come to fruition, get not only, you know, framed, but furnished and nice and lived in and to be a source of home, of merriment, of celebration, of fellowship for our folk.
05:44:34.780With me and my family being a big part of that, I want to get down there and move to Sigerheim and have my daughter raised for a significant part of her childhood with other AFA children, other AFA members, and really build that hall culture and that community there in Jackson County, Tennessee.
05:46:11.680So, other AFA accomplishments. There's a lot of more nebulous social ones. Like I'd like us to at each of these Hoffs, and we're already doing that at the Hoffs we have, to establish decent relationships with our community where we're ingrained in those communities.
05:46:33.600We're part of it. We're looked upon as good neighbors and build a good reputation for ourselves and for Alcetru.
05:46:41.920I'd like to see AFA become the only name in Alcetru to where we're not like, and this isn't faulting anybody who's asking me questions,
05:46:52.720but where there's not like, ah, but Thomas Rousel says, or ah, the Norena Society once had this thing to say.
05:46:59.520I'd like it to be just understood if you're talking Ousitree, you're talking about AFA.
05:47:08.540On a more ethereal basis, one thing that I'm very hopeful for and excited about with each of these Hoffs,
05:47:20.240and we've certainly seen it, it's not that we haven't seen it with Odin's Hoff and Thor's Hoff,
05:47:28.800But we've seen it in a really particular way with Baldr's Hoff so far.
05:47:33.160And we're also seeing it in Jörn's Hoff.
05:47:36.240Each of the Hoffs that we establish to these gods helps us build a really special relationship with them.
05:47:48.000It helps us grow in that relationship and grow in our understanding of them.
05:47:52.620and I hope that the more we do, they're received well by the gods, they're smiled upon and looked
05:48:00.360upon favorably, and that we can build a better relationship with our gods and a better
05:48:06.200understanding. We have, I suppose a lot's not fair, but there's clearly gods we know much more
05:48:14.740about than others. The more obscure gods are the ones that are celebrated less. I'm hoping that
05:48:23.040with Hoffs and regular worship of them, we learn more about them, we draw closer to them,
05:48:29.700and we can celebrate them in a bigger way than they've been celebrated before.
05:53:09.540I've had contentious arguments with folks that have brought this up.
05:53:14.740I've even, it's, it's truly funny. I get, I get called all kinds of vehement, you know, titles as, as being by saying simple truths that, that really kind of, I guess, outside your people that look at it from third person, they're like, wow, he's being mean, but I'm, I'm merely saying, you know, Jesus was Jewish.
05:53:39.960she's spoke a semitic language and so on and so forth so i'm actually like substantiating
05:53:47.160an ethnic point from there and people are just like oh but it's you know sometimes it does get
05:53:52.040vitriol biting because people just i mean venom sometimes spills over and i'm i'm i'm guilty of it
05:53:59.640too but um i try to re-emphasize to uh people that you know you can't separate the leaf from the
05:54:07.240roots there's just no way you can do that even though the leaf looks very different from the
05:54:12.280root um and if you look at christianity in a far off distant view of it uh especially european
05:54:22.920christianity i'll say that much because christianity has been in africa for a very long
05:54:26.600time some would even argue all the way back to moses um and so on and so forth um but european
05:54:33.480christianity has a a huge amount of um native faith of of europe in it um you know even right
05:54:43.560down to you know when you interpret the ten commandments and the true interpretation is
05:54:49.240that you shall have no graven images but yet you know there's statues to jesus and to mary and
05:54:56.440and so on and so forth or crosses and so on you know it's like people will turn and flip and
05:55:03.480twist things as the necessity of what they need in relation to the fact that once you have this kind
05:55:09.400of all-encompassing universal religion at one end everything's undefinable and everything's
05:55:16.920absolutely relative but it doesn't matter because omnipresent and then but when you look at the
05:55:21.640details all of the you know figures of any importance in connection to their god come
05:55:29.000from this one little region in the world specifically and oddly so even though it's
05:55:35.160a universal religion of of um of all mankind if you will um but that when you're talking
05:55:43.640about people like that that are desperately trying to uh you know differentiate they're
05:55:49.960trying to create a schism between the understanding that christianity started
05:55:55.800the semitic language or the language of shem and um they want to detract from that
05:56:03.000pull away from that and say no that's not the case that it was usurped by people who speak this
05:56:08.760the semitic language and that but was never adopted by any other arian folk it was just
05:56:15.560uniquely a sliver that got you know usurped by these people i had somebody arguing that with me
05:56:22.360once um and you know looking at again the the origins of their faith in relation to the
05:56:28.600to the phoenicians or in relation to the babylonians and the stories that they share
05:56:33.720with those people in relation to the bible um or the tanakh uh you know in particular like
05:56:40.520the story of noah you know the and the the babylonians having a much older story um
05:56:46.200you know, they're, they're just, they're trying to create a schism in order to validate their
05:56:53.480kind of broad spectrum Christianity, which is there is a sky daddy. And if you go against him,
05:56:59.740you're going to go to a bad place, but nevermind. Don't look at the details of the sky. Daddy's
05:57:05.140name is Yahweh or Yehovah or Elohim. Nevermind the fact that, you know, the, uh, the Angelos
05:57:11.260of greece are really the uh the malaks of of the you know the actual language of the bible
05:57:19.020or the the demons are a shadim don't pay attention to any of these you know like origin words or
05:57:25.660where they come from or what were they spoken of before they became greek words or greek words were
05:57:30.540kind of plastered over them or germanic words with heaven and hell um you know uh and i remember
05:57:37.500somebody saying like why do you say the word heaven well heaven's a germanic word just like
05:57:41.020the word hell is it's from our faith and that's just been slapped over um so it's like it's kind
05:57:47.500of like pay attention to the details when they want to kind of find a substantive argument but
05:57:52.540don't pay attention to the details when it doesn't quite fit for the way where they're going with
05:57:58.300things so um yeah it's it's they're basically just struggling with universalism and i feel
05:58:05.180sorry for them and i feel sad for them um that they're you know that they're forced to do that
05:58:10.140and they're doing that with such an ardent um fervor and that's because of their fear of
05:58:15.900gehenna their fear of the judaic concept of that which is furthest away from yahweh
05:58:22.780and they're dreadfully afraid of it and they're scared of it to the point where
05:58:27.980they're they're just gonna again twist and turn it and and uh you know bite at the at the
05:58:34.460pinching or nagging hand um and it's it's it's kind of sad but i you know i can't do anything
05:58:42.540about it you just try to show them this is this and that is that and here's historically this and
05:58:50.460they but they will only pay attention to the details they want to perceive and it's like
05:58:56.220arguing with like what is that that famous saying like playing chess with a pigeon
05:58:59.900eventually they're just gonna knock all the pieces over and claim that they won
05:59:04.460is really there's not much you can do but at the same time we're trying to bring our
05:59:10.220or a three-year-old yeah and we're trying to bring our folk home we're trying to be
05:59:15.500bashful to bring them back to the faith and see the world from their their the soul of their
05:59:21.420people and um and not to see the the world through the soul of other people and um and
05:59:30.060That's really what we're trying to do. And I think that they don't see it that way. They see it as, you know, they're going to demonize and they're going to do whatever without ever really looking at the details of where their faith comes from, the origins of their faith or the origins of their rules and edicts and so on and so forth.
05:59:47.940the end of the day i think most christians are are especially european christians and western
05:59:55.440christians are morally aligned with us enough that we can find a modicum of of um living together
06:00:07.000and working together and understanding each other i think that you know when christians find out
06:00:11.020that, you know, we're not committing, you know, atrocities or lighting things or like worshiping
06:00:17.540goats or whatever they have in their mind about us. They come to realize, oh no, these are good
06:00:21.700people. We're just going to leave them alone. They're just doing their thing. I don't agree
06:00:24.540with it. And we can likewise do the same thing at the end of the day. If they want to get into
06:00:28.760the nitty gritty details of it though, I say, you know, lay it on them, lay it on them because
06:00:34.580sometimes they just need that they they they have a very simple broad view and when they look into
06:00:41.820the details they don't like looking to see the grains of the wood they don't like seeing those
06:00:46.120roots and it's uh but they can't separate from them so a lot of times when i argue with them
06:00:51.160about that stuff i use the bible in reference and it's not it seems like i'm attacking them
06:00:57.220but in reality all i'm doing is trying to clarify that if they at least are of this religion they
06:01:03.380should embrace it wholly and completely and stop picking and choosing as they see fit to fit their
06:01:11.860european worldview or their folk worldview but they're utilizing lenses from another people
06:26:39.380A lot of elements came down to the modern day in that faith that were washed out in Europe.
06:26:48.320And so it's really interesting to look at.
06:26:50.300But just as their people have taken a drastically different coloration and shape because of intermingling with other forces, so has their development of their religiosity.
06:27:05.300And a part of that is this need to boil down their, there's thousands of Hindu gods, to boil them all down into one is a, I think corruption is the best way to say of the Aryan root.
06:27:32.240um i think you get to a point where it's just confusing it's just simpler to say ah it's all
06:27:38.240the same thing just be hindu and just it's it's all krishna krishna is the the the supreme godhead
06:27:45.200harry krishna harry krishna um but again folks do that with krishna they do that with brahma they do
06:27:55.040that with shiva they do that depending upon your sect of hinduism they pick they pick one
06:28:03.200or or vishnu they pick one and everything else is just a a manifestation of that one godhead
06:28:14.080and that's i think it's just lazy i think it's an easy simplification of a very very
06:28:21.440complex system that grew complex beyond its means and so ah screw it it's all just one thing
06:28:31.120is a much easier answer to the question and i think that's where some of it came and i think
06:28:35.840that's probably an oversimplification i'm sure there's schools of hinduism and vedic thought that
06:28:44.160have analyzed this in a much more eloquent way but no i don't think that's an original
06:28:49.760aryan concept i think that's a dravidian um post-migration concept there uh there was somebody
06:28:59.600that posited the idea that when the araya arrived into india or into the the cashmere valley um
06:29:09.600that their tripartite was already established and that it would be argued that during the time of
06:29:14.240like the bhagavida that the tripartite of the arians entering into india was that it was indra
06:29:22.720agni and vishnu and that somehow over time it had traversed into brahma shiva and vishnu and that
06:29:33.920there's again this tripartite these thrones are still laid out but that there's a uh an evolving
06:29:42.720of which these, these, the gods kind of take these thrones. Um, one of the ones that I, you know,
06:29:50.180I remember, I mean, first off, I'm not too familiar with like the Indra, Agni and Vishnu
06:29:56.080tripartite that was being argued as being the original tripartite of the Arians as they came
06:30:01.100in. But I do remember reading the story about Shiva and the, the axis Mundi, if you will,
06:30:07.640the central point um in which uh shiva asks vishnu and brahma to go to the top and the bottom
06:30:16.840and tell me what's there and um you know brahma comes and says um he makes a lie and the lie is
06:30:26.120a lie and then vishnu says no you can't see the bottom or the top of the central point of any
06:30:31.560of it all and so brahma gets relegated to a point of stasis where he's no longer
06:30:38.760going to be honored in their faith and that i think is a cultural aspect of understanding like
06:30:44.680the stasis throne the dynamic throne and the catalystic throne as they always seem to be uh
06:30:52.360substantiated by the culture and and the then they ask the gods to fill those thrones
06:30:57.480as designated or needed um but you always do find the tripartite you always do fine or you
06:31:03.240know for them they also have the tridevi the uh the triplicate um uh goddesses um again these are
06:31:10.920deeply arian things but they're they're being overwashed with other influences and cults and
06:31:17.720uh things like that i think monotheism is ultimately again as they deviate further and
06:31:23.880farther away from their original multiplicity understanding they reject multiplicity because
06:31:29.960the divine becomes so abstract that it's like it gets boiled down to one god and and you know i've
06:31:36.760heard atheists say no it's polytheism monotheism and then atheism is the natural progression
06:31:42.200or what have you and i've heard monotheists say no it's that um you know polytheism and
06:31:47.720atheism are derivatives off the one singular truth um of of the universal god or god uh head or or
06:31:56.840whatever um but i think that ultimately from us being hard polytheists we see it a different way
06:32:03.320is that um that it's a rejection from nature which is multiplicity which is the multiple gods which
06:32:10.920is the powers that intercorrelate throughout and weave things. There's no one string that
06:32:18.380makes the basket, if you will. And it's made of multiple parts. And that atheism is just a
06:32:25.420rejection of divinity and monotheism is just a rejection of nature and cramming all of the
06:32:32.900multiplicity of the divine into one thing. And that ultimately, I would argue monotheism leads
06:32:39.560to atheism because you're no longer interconnected there's no um true deep sense of of relationship
06:32:47.640between the powers of the universe it just becomes abstract and and eventually absent
06:32:53.640um in the in the derivative of it so yeah i agree with you um as i go the it's it's
06:32:59.480yeah it's like a rejection um yeah so the next question would you say european christianity
06:33:07.640is just euro paganism with a christian coat of paint no because that grossly oversimplifies it but
06:33:26.760and when you say european christianity i'm talking about medieval catholicism
06:33:31.240When you start getting into Protestantism, you start being more authentically Christian, I would say, or authentically biblically Christian.
06:33:43.780Medieval Catholicism incorporates lots of different Aryan paganisms and pagan practices.
06:33:58.100They create their own thing. It's not that there's no Judeo-Christian element to it, but it's very, very heavily drawn from the folk soul of European paganism and of European peoples.
06:34:16.420And it is certainly a very, very heavy mixture of the two with obvious, very large scoops of European paganism that it's built on.
06:34:38.880So it's not just, it's not just that they kept going with European paganism, but called Odin Jesus. Like, it's not that simple.
06:34:54.880But there is massive, massive elements of the religious flow of our people and our folk soul.
06:35:02.220that impetus did take a christian coat of paint i've always said that i believe there would be
06:35:10.520a very similar structure in the development of our faith i think there would be a very similar
06:35:16.140you know we'd have the cathedrals they just have different pictures on stained glass
06:35:19.880i think a lot of that is true but i think to say that it's just european paganism with some
06:35:26.860christianity like painted over top of it isn't that's not quite fair and doesn't quite tell the
06:35:32.700whole story what what's a useful one i think you can see a lot of it in uh the worship of mary
06:35:39.240uh in in one in that respects i can definitely see it like the the trinity and the tripartite
06:35:47.780And in the desire to worship the mother goddess, and I'm not talking of like earth goddess, I'm talking mother goddess or the one of motherhood and of, which is for us is Lady Frigg.
06:36:05.900You can see that in there. I even jokingly said, you know, that they just made the gods mortal in order to kind of substantiate their needs that are intrinsically in their blood.
06:36:22.060But they just, in certain sense, yes, they have slapped, I think, the intrinsic ideal, but there's a lot that is so, it's too complicated to just state that.
06:36:38.580Is there Mithraism in Christianity? Absolutely. Is there tenets of, you know, the philosophes, whether it's, you know, Aristotle or Plato or how much, you know, does philosophy affect both Catholicism and Protestantism, whether you're talking about, you know, like Hegelian dialectics within the Protestant church and its effects on their concepts of the self and the divine?
06:37:08.580And there's so much more involved. But I think the one thing that is overtly present is the mortality of Christianity versus our, our view of divinity as not being mortal, but being more than and not, you know, we would see it as divine, perhaps, you know, interacting as, as dominion over
06:37:38.580powers that influx into the middle, uh, and that we are made of the material, but that the material
06:37:43.920is not sullied or dirty or evil, but that, uh, we are intrinsically connected to the grander powers
06:37:50.380of divinity that come from multiple different angles, um, to make the center. Uh, they, at the
06:37:57.300same time, they disconnect from the divinity of the greater and then, uh, abjugate it through an
06:38:05.780avatar a mortal avatar or a mortal woman or you know and mortal saints and things like that they
06:38:11.940they um yeah it's it's very complicated i think but at the end of the day when you go further
06:38:20.540further back you follow the leaf down to the root and you get there is the the tenets of the faith
06:38:26.780are entirely built in the tanakh and the tanakh states very very clearly certain rules and aspects
06:38:32.720that the uh the children of israel should follow and now they're it's gotten to the point where
06:38:38.080people are arguing no well we're the real children of the of israel israel or they're you know it
06:38:45.040it gets so mortalized and so material and so based in the physical if you look at the details that
06:38:54.320that their divinity becomes abstract so yeah all right next question matt i apologize if this
06:39:04.240question seems redundant i understand also true being pan-germanic but how exactly is it pan-arian
06:39:12.400justify to me why a person of greek or roman descent should be also true
06:39:17.600our people come from a common root the original romans the original uh hellenics were
06:39:33.520blonde-haired very nordically featured people
06:39:37.840um we come from a similar stock you can see that you can trace those commonalities in our religion
06:39:47.920in our language in the you can trace the movement of our culture back to a very early stage
06:39:55.600we separated relatively late in the course of our race in geologic terms
06:40:04.480um there's truth or there's not we didn't just go different places and decide to make up religion
06:40:13.480that's not real that's not what we do that's not true it's not based in truth
06:40:19.540our gods clearly existed at the birth of our race and guided our race as we've developed
06:40:28.700those gods exist and are absolute our relationship with those gods changed and evolved as different
06:40:39.020groups of people split off and migrated in different directions the most
06:40:46.300I would say the most complete, the least adulterated, and the most accessible to an
06:41:01.980English-speaking public understanding of our gods came through the Germanic peoples and finally
06:41:09.460settled in the Scandinavian epic literature of the 1200s. That's where the most complete and best
06:41:22.900version of the Aryan faith landed. It was largely wiped out in many other places,
06:41:32.520or it became mutated to the point of comic relief
06:41:36.280and vulgarity in the Mediterranean very often,
06:41:40.220eventually by the time we have a lot of deep record of it.
06:42:01.280The best way to do that as a race is through the Nordic lens.
06:42:08.580The other thing is, because that's how it all shook out.
06:42:13.920But if things didn't happen, if there wasn't the romantic revivals in Sweden and England and Germany and Denmark and later Iceland and Norway in the end of the 1800s and early 1900s,
06:42:36.660If instead that was what was going on in Italy and Greece, then maybe we'd have a different answer today.
06:42:45.540If in the 1960s, you know, rather than Odin reaching out to Steve McNallan, maybe Jupiter reached out to Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo over in Italy, maybe that'd be different.
06:43:04.560And the shape and language and names, nomenclature and everything else of our folk was resurgent through its Norse conception.
06:43:20.000That's what lit a fire to a resurgent ethnic paganism in Europe.
06:43:25.440That's what has motivated all of our successes.
06:43:29.260That's why that is the path forward for our race in embracing our traditional faith.
06:43:36.860That's what's going to bring us successfully to the best relationship with our gods.
06:43:41.720It's not theory. It's what's literally been happening for the last 54 years.
06:43:47.980So that's the, you know, that's the horse we're going to continue to ride.
06:43:52.480That's the that's what's worked. That's what all of our relationship has been on.
06:43:56.980The what-ifs are nice to ask, but that's not how it do.
06:44:03.660Honestly, we have not seen the same thing happen in other branches of Arian belief.
06:44:10.300We have not seen serious, modern, and evolving currents in that.
06:44:16.280We've not seen that be a lively thing.
06:44:18.520We've seen paganism be debased to where it equals homosexuality and license for perversion under an atheistic orgy of perversion under the, oh, this is fun and silly.
06:44:36.860Let's just pretend we worship Greek gods because they're cool with orgies, right?
06:44:42.560And that's disrespectful to our faith.
06:44:45.720The only revision of our faith, the rebirth of our faith that's happened with legitimacy has been done through the Nordic nomenclature and understanding of our gods, our goddesses.
06:44:59.800I say that in Eastern Europe, there are other things going on that I think are also really nice to see.
06:45:06.800But we have not seen that from the Latins. We've not seen that from the Greeks. We've not seen that from the Celts. We never have.
06:45:15.720This is where we are, and this is why we go with the winner and move forward.
06:45:21.920It works out well for those of us that are heavily Germanic in our stock,
06:45:27.100but it is authentic, and it goes back to the authentic and real gods of our race
06:45:31.960under the names that have been the most successful and led to the most victory
06:45:36.680and are what's moving forward right now.
06:45:39.980So that's why we suggest folks get on the bus.
06:45:43.360it's fun what's your what's your statement on that you know i have seen uh small like hellenic
06:45:51.720blips here and there going and and that that is good i think if somebody culturally sees their
06:45:57.680the the the drive but at the same time like most people think of um the empirical
06:46:04.760solidification of of unity um in a in a sense that uh empirical unity is uh conquer it just
06:46:14.440conquers but a lot of times too uh if someone relinquishes and says yes i'm greek or i'm italian
06:46:21.720but i see the the the germanic gods as the unmolested form of the arian god heads
06:46:33.320at the most unmolested i would say um that and i wish to to join in that or i speak english
06:46:41.520because i i may be greek but i speak english i live in america i'm i'm culturally raised in a
06:46:47.760in a germanic angelo um you know culture i am this is who i am as a person even though i you
06:46:57.200know my maybe my great grandparents were greek or what have you i'm gonna step forward on this
06:47:02.960i don't think that there's any real contestment to say oh you can't do that um instead what we
06:47:08.400should do is um respect if somebody wants to go in the route of like with the slavs or with the
06:47:16.320hellenics but if they wish to come and you know unify i don't think we should stop that the the
06:47:24.000uh the the banner is broad and wide um with the the intent of understanding that they
06:47:33.280they are speaking a teutonic language they are worshiping the teutonic gods and that ultimately
06:47:39.040our people do source back at one point and now we're coalescing again um and again what i'll
06:47:46.080say ago they said is during that coalescence of all of these branches coming together especially
06:47:51.040here in america our the teutonic gods the culturally that's they have remained they have survived um
06:48:02.880and so at a certain point it's like you you can purity spiral it to fragmentation or you can
06:48:10.960uh grab the banner and bring glory absolutely um the hoffs all have animals associated with them
06:48:22.080have you all decided on an animal that will be uh on tiershoff's house mark the eagle the eagle
06:48:30.000will be the kinfilia of tiershoff we've got some cool plans on that already and
06:48:36.400have talked about that but that's absolutely the plan for tiershoff um human manipulation nation
06:48:43.600it's good to see you got a question from you are there any dietary guidelines or prohibited products
06:48:51.760put forth for the folk for example cannabis caffeine any idea about ideals about alcohol
06:49:01.120consumption um no i suppose the guideline is especially when you're mentioning cannabis
06:49:08.960and caffeine and things like that the afa would urge everyone listening to this program to act
06:49:17.440in accordance with the laws of the state or uh governing agency that you live under um
06:49:25.600outside of that no we don't have any particular dietary guidelines or
06:49:30.480you know you can have this you can't have that um it's never been a big
06:49:37.120a big aspect of our faith. I would say that ham is traditionally like pork products are always
06:49:49.120have been sacred to our folk and a big thing for feasting and are reminiscent of the boar with
06:49:57.040never-ending flesh that they feast upon in the All Fathers Hall. But no, we don't have any
06:50:04.020dietary guidelines, ideals about alcohol consumption is don't get stupid. I mean,
06:50:11.940it's pretty common sense. I don't mean to, I take the question very seriously, but no, it's
06:50:19.860ennobling of our people for us to have the ability to manage ourselves and to
06:50:27.460choose what we put into our body or what we don't and be able to have the agency to regulate that
06:50:35.740and take responsibility for our choices if we overindulge or however that might be so that
06:50:42.400responsibility is really incumbent upon us when there's things that you you know can have too much
06:50:47.540of be it alcohol be it cake be whatever the problem is having you know having fork discipline
06:50:54.620is just as important as having trigger discipline you gotta i hope that gets quoted it's a thing
06:51:03.100um but yeah no i take i i do take your question seriously i don't don't mean to cast it off that
06:51:08.300way anyway um i think there's societal stuff that we kind of apply oh other than don't eat
06:51:16.700ethiopian food because it's just not good i don't know how they mess up the pancake but you would
06:51:21.580think that a pancake is like universally you could make it right and it would be good
06:51:27.420is that mandy tricked me into going to this ethiopian place and they're like gravy dish
06:51:35.340things were pretty good but the little pancake you're supposed to scoop them up with it was
06:51:39.580gross i don't know how like uh the swedish pancake thingies are good crepes are good
06:51:47.580tortillas are good hoe cakes are good i don't know how you make a pancake that's gross
06:59:09.800During all of the COVID hysteria, my dad was really on the mask up and hide in the bunker and get the 15 different versions of the vaccine, and he was all in on that side.
06:59:30.460and i was trying to talk to him through the lens of the emperor's new clothes
06:59:39.000about calling bs on some stuff and it was really
06:59:44.560surreal to where i feel like i had internalized that story that he taught me so much
06:59:52.740and it seems like he didn't or he didn't get the point of what he was teaching me
06:59:58.220um and so I thought that was really very very poignant during that time but yeah the Emperor's
07:00:06.260New Clothes I think was the thing that stuck with with me the most as far as you know children's
07:00:11.600books that my parents read to me uh what do you have fun um I was looking for one in particular
07:00:19.040but I also have this one this one is a personal favorite The Northern Path uh by Douglas Rossman
07:00:26.000it's um it's a storytellers um uh re telling of the adas uh it's really good and it's really
07:00:36.780great for your children there is also one uh well it's it's great for the adult to be able to speak
07:00:42.080to the child um and it's very digestible when we we talk about uh there's also a book by kevin
07:00:49.060grossly holland that's really good but it's a little bit more for like i think a teenager
07:00:54.800um as far as the gods and the stories of the gods there was one too and i'm it's simply
07:01:01.440called norse mythology um it is i you know when i went over to midsummer i found it in the
07:01:11.200office at odin's off and it um absolutely struck me as one of like a really beautiful almost
07:01:18.240medieval chivalric telling of the stories of the gods especially balder's drama balder's death is
07:01:26.640is you know amazing um but it the the problem is is finding because norse myths is just such a
07:01:36.880broad title that i can't seem to find it but it was written by two sisters uh back in the late
07:01:44.4801800s early 1900s and it's the the way in which they speak about the gods almost in the sense of
07:01:54.960the true grandioseness of nobility of the gods is they speak of frigga being in a in her they
07:02:02.960even say the word in her crystalline salon and i was you know just like blown away by just they're
07:02:10.240like you know what we're going this is uh you know uh balder speaks of the the shadow mark upon his
07:02:17.680heart and he's afraid to release it upon the world and um and and then odin sees that mark
07:02:23.920and says it's the mark of death and it's just so beautifully done i love reading from it um
07:02:31.200so that book and the uh the northern path and i'll try to get that book i know it's actually
07:02:36.320upstairs in my on my bookshelf um i just can't go up there and get it right now uh yeah dalaris's
07:02:43.200book uh is i would say a staple especially in relation to pictures and art in relation um
07:02:51.360sometimes i think it's a little it's it's odd and funny uh in certain parts um especially in
07:02:58.400relation to like the way they they draw um emir but uh another beautiful thing is like they they
07:03:05.600show oven villian vey with uh solaric head halos and uh that's wonderful and i think it's it's the
07:03:15.600starting to um conceptualize the gods outside of you know like i think the way a lot of people
07:03:21.360want to view them as being you know viking shoulder pelt stuff um but as far as like books for for
07:03:29.440kids um just in general i was actually just recommending to one of my clients um sons uh my
07:03:38.080side of the mountain i really really like that book i think that's a great book for young uh men
07:03:43.520to read that are coming into their um uh man making it's about a young boy who who uh runs
07:03:49.680off into the catskill mountains and lives in a tree and tames a falcon and uh you know survives
07:03:56.800the winter and uh and realizes why he ran away um uh was probably not good um and i think this is
07:04:07.920more just a of a sentimental sense is uh i i remember one of my favorite books growing up was
07:04:14.400the bridge to terabithia that was a um pretty poignant book growing up when i was like 10
07:04:22.800for me to read and and really kind of you know uh very very sad book um but i don't know that's uh
07:04:31.360that's that would be my take on those all right well i appreciate you guys thank you it is a
07:04:40.480point of reference it's 1 a.m here it is 4 a.m where spawn's at um victory never sleeps and
07:04:48.720neither do we but we look it's been a great show and i look forward to talking to you guys next
07:04:53.840time until then hail the gods hail the folk hail the afa and remember victory never sleeps okay