00:04:58.380It very much came to a connection to my ancestors themselves.
00:05:03.680I found myself praying more towards my female ancestry, my great-grandmothers.
00:05:10.740um when i needed something rather than turning to god i was turning to my ancestors to my
00:05:18.500grandmothers my mother's mother in particular when i was in crisis when i was afraid
00:05:26.020when i was anxious when i was scared i always turned to her rather than turning
00:05:32.500to god or to jesus or to one of the saints and that really led me to
00:05:37.860to look into my connection to my blood ancestors and to their ancestors and to the legacy that they came from.
00:05:49.280Yeah, I suppose I can understand that because, you know, your great-grandmother is someone,
00:05:56.640I don't know if you knew her or not, I knew mine.
00:06:00.700And, you know, there's a different relationship there than there is with, I guess, a sort of, I don't want to say impersonal deity because I don't believe that Christians believe in an impersonal deity.
00:06:23.740But I think for someone who is searching for something more might find that there was a disconnect because there wasn't a deeper connection to this deity that they believed in and so could turn to someone like the great grandmother who they had a relationship with.
00:06:49.220um so did you talk to her in I guess prayer or you know whether it's mental or otherwise
00:06:58.160yeah I believe that would be the best way to describe it would be you know praying to her
00:07:03.280asking for her advice and simply just having a conversation you know I knew my grandmother very
00:07:08.700well I knew my great-grandmother very well um and I had grown up with stories of my great-great
00:07:14.200grandmother and her mother those were stories that were passed down from generation to generation
00:07:18.540and it was something that they were very proud of and you almost felt like I knew my great great
00:07:25.960grandmother even though I had never met her just because her memory was kept alive through the
00:07:31.080family and I always found myself more turning to them rather than turning to a deity and it was
00:07:38.260really that that got me into searching for what would my ancestors have done before and that's
00:07:44.500how I found the Aesir. And that's where I found my connection was through that investigation of
00:07:49.260my ancestry. Yeah, I would imagine there were lessons that were passed down and maybe even
00:07:56.440recipes and things like that that connected you to your great-grandmother and probably beyond.
00:08:04.560Definitely. Yeah. So you find your way to the AFA. And what was your initial experience
00:08:14.500being a woman in the AFA being a woman in the AFA is actually something that is really special
00:08:23.800I have I do have experience in other organizations that are not as a true and what I found within the
00:08:31.420AFA that really felt right to me was the respect of the women in the church that we have a voice
00:08:39.160in the church that we really do have a role in as a true and in the as a true folk assembly
00:08:45.560i really found that to be refreshing and encouraging and empowering all at the same time
00:08:53.080so you do you feel like there was a well let me ask it is also true patriarchal
00:09:01.240It is. It is patriarchal because our society, really back then and now, is patriarchal.
00:09:09.720Our, you know, the As-True Folk Assembly is led by our share of the Matthew Flavel. Historically,
00:09:16.040our families and our kindreds and our churches were run by Godar, by men. You know, they chose1.00
00:09:24.360the direction, and they were responsible for leading their people and their families to the1.00
00:09:29.560acer yeah i trust me i have no problem with that at all but um you know there might be women out0.94
00:09:38.440there listening who are thinking well patriarchy of course the typical leftist you know that's
00:09:43.640mindless and that's unfortunate yes that's unfortunate one thing i really do like about
00:09:48.360as a true in the as a true folk assembly is there is there's not an absence absence of men
00:09:57.400or an absence of women there are both men and women there is both the masculine and the feminine
00:10:03.200they both have a voice and they're not competing with one another for their place in the spotlight
00:10:09.460or their place of authority or who's right and who's wrong there's no competition between our
00:10:14.700men and women and that's something that's really wonderful to see yeah that's that's what's known
00:10:20.860as complementarianism. And that's when each has a respective role and there is a hierarchy
00:10:30.080and that hierarchy is respected and honored by everyone within their respective roles.
00:10:37.380And in this case, specifically, masculine and feminine roles. What are some of the roles
00:10:44.440unique to women in As-A-True? There are several. One of the most important roles that we have as
00:10:54.460women in As-A-True is the support of one another. We have a very fierce and loving sisterhood of
00:11:01.720women in the As-A-True Folk Assembly. We have a very strong network of women that have built a
00:11:07.220very strong bond together and that they're there to help one another, to teach and inspire each
00:11:11.980other. You know, they're there to support each other when they're down and celebrate them
00:11:16.020when things are good. And we have a way of understanding each other in a way that only
00:11:21.020sisters really can. So that's one thing I have found in the As True Folk Assembly that is
00:11:25.440absolutely beautiful. And in my circumstances with my previous organizations I was part of,
00:11:32.580is unique to the As True Folk Assembly. Yeah, you know, I'm most familiar with
00:11:38.420some of the neo-pagan groups out there that you know they they claim to be well they're they're
00:11:44.980all pretty leftist let's be honest um you know what you've got going on in those groups is really
00:11:50.780neo-marxism under the guise of of paganism it's not even usually a real paganism um
00:11:59.500and the thing is that there's a conflating of
00:12:27.260There was a very heavy focus on women's empowerment, which when taken too far, which it is very often done, takes the importance of the masculine element away.
00:12:43.560It's very important to have that duality, to have that masculine and that feminine.
00:12:47.340And you shouldn't be in competition with one another because when you are, it's very easy to let one overpower the other.
00:12:53.560And the others lose their importance in that role.
00:12:56.440So since I found my way here to Azatru, I have not witnessed that.
00:13:07.160I don't think they'd put up with somebody who came in and tried to disrupt things in that way.
00:13:14.640So give me an idea of what you went through to be ordained clergy.
00:13:19.440I did go through the Gothar program, which is a two-year course, one year of study, and also, you know, showing that you are competent in leading a district, in counseling, in providing religious services.
00:13:39.880It is a year of a pretty intense study.
00:13:44.600I did have direct mentorship from several of the Godar of the As-True Folk Assembly and from the Ashera Godi himself, teaching me very hands-on on the expectations of Agidea, the roles of Agidea, and the responsibilities of serving your folk and of your church.
00:14:04.420So you had to learn what the rituals, history, traditions, etc.?
00:14:10.180Yes, absolutely. Everything from how to conduct a bloat, which is our main ritual, to how to counsel someone who's in crisis or how to help someone find, you know, things as simple as, you know, helping someone connect with services that they may need.
00:14:30.900You know, a family that's in crisis, just a family that's in need, or just someone who needs to talk, someone who just needs someone to be there, and also a way to provide that spiritual guidance, give them a way to connect to their gods and goddesses when they're in need.
00:14:47.880Yeah, something that Matthew Flavel mentioned, I believe, in our last discussion together, was that the AFA is actually looking to develop a structure whereby it can care for its own in times of need, etc.
00:15:05.980So, sort of its own social welfare net when it's needed.
00:15:13.100but do you see women such as yourself taking an active role in that?
00:28:46.960Okay. So, you know, we've been talking about the education of children, raising them, marriage, etc. Now, during the break, there was a term you used in the discussion we were having that I don't even want to hazard trying to say, because I will destroy it. But I wanted to know more about it. Can you share what that is?
00:29:14.740Yes. So one of a woman in Asshu, one of her most important roles is truly the role of the Frith weaver. Frith itself is a term that is often too simply classified as just peace. But Frith is so much more than that.
00:29:32.360Frith is a defense of one another. Frith is that reciprocal give and take and gifting cycle between person to person, family to family. Frith is really that bond that just weaves individuals together.
00:29:48.280And as women, we have this very unique talent for creating peace, for creating relationships with other women, with bonding our children together, whether it's a play date or just bringing each other over for Sunday dinners at our houses and letting our children play together.
00:30:12.040That is something that just really comes natural to a woman and to a mother
00:30:16.780is to help those children network and help those children create those bonds themselves0.97
00:35:15.120So do you have any experience of women coming into the AFA who are fresh out of the culture of death that we live in today and bring in some of those attitudes with them and have to unlearn them?
00:35:39.420Yes, and I do believe that that network of women that we have that I talked about on
00:35:44.660our first part of the show here, that really strong bond that the women have formed together,
00:35:50.000we have had women that have come in, you know, either for one reason or another have found
00:35:56.100the Azitru Folk Assembly and they bring ideas that may sometimes be in conflict with the
00:36:03.620true north of as a true um the prime example of that would be this myth of a shield maiden
00:36:12.100you feel you see a lot of women these days um whether on one social media or tick tock or0.95
00:36:20.440youtube where they paint their face and wield an axe you know that is not the role of a woman0.65
00:36:28.000and as a true you know i mean it's it's silly in a way but sometimes we do need to you know bring
00:36:35.960those women in their in their ideals and and let them know where their true strength lies
00:36:41.880your true strength of a woman does is not based on how you have your hair braided and how revealing1.00
00:36:50.540your leather dresses and how far you can swing that axe that's not your strength as a woman0.86
00:36:56.720And your strength as a woman is found in your sisterhood.1.00
00:37:01.200It's found in your relationship with the A-seer.0.95
00:37:03.500It's found in your relationship with your D-seer, which is our female ancestors.0.98
00:37:09.560You know, looking back on our deeds and on our words and on our actions, you know, that's your strength.
00:37:16.800Your strength is the history that you keep alive.
00:37:21.340And your strength in mortality is the legacy that you leave.
00:37:26.720and the future that you create for your children you know i was just looking at your photograph
00:37:31.440here with your bio and this is what strikes me you are very modestly dressed um i don't see
00:37:41.920a lot of makeup on your face if any at all no i don't if and your hair is its natural color thank
00:37:50.960god if if someone saw you on the street as modest as you are as traditional as you look
00:38:04.720and i'm sure your behavior matches it they would think that you were a very conservative christian
00:38:10.640is is this sort of modesty typical of women in the afa the women of the afa know where their
00:38:24.880true strength is um the women of the afa know who they are as women that is one of the benefits of
00:38:32.120being part of of this church um we don't have to be extravagant we don't need to be ferocious
00:38:42.640warrior women like xeno warrior princess or something like that we don't need to do that
00:38:48.300um and we're not we're not in competition with other women in society we know who we are0.58
00:38:55.920We are strong, conservative, traditional, family-oriented women.0.91
00:39:03.200Yeah, and I think what really strikes me is that even, and this is a sad reality, is that even within Christianity, even some conservative circles of Christianity, women dress like the surrounding culture quite often.0.82
00:39:19.200And that has the effect of sexualizing them, of, I think, marring their inherent dignity.
00:39:32.740And what I'm getting from you is that Alshatru really demands that that inherent dignity be honored.
00:39:43.080I truly feel that femininity is much more beautiful than being sexualized. Being feminine,
00:39:51.980being comfortable in that is so much more important than attracting attention just for
00:39:57.480the sake of attracting attention. One thing that you will notice when you see pictures
00:40:02.180of our gatherings or of our services, a lot of the women look absolutely stunning in these
00:40:08.160beautiful dresses or the fascinators on their heads. Everybody loves to look their best,
00:40:14.500you know, and we encourage our folk, men and women, that when you go before your gods and
00:40:20.920when you go before your ancestors, bring the best of yourself, not only in thought, not only in
00:40:26.860spirit, not only in state of mind, but also in state of physicalness, your physical body,
00:40:33.220the way you dress and the way you hold yourself we bring the best of ourselves to our gods we
00:40:38.420bring the best of ourselves to our ancestors and we bring the best of ourselves to the house and
00:40:43.700to our events well you're a beautiful intelligent woman and you know your husband's definitely
00:40:49.460blessed um thank you um so what do you think then is the the most important thing in alsatru
00:41:02.660for a woman who is perhaps interested in coming in but is a little nervous
00:41:09.220what do you think the most important thing is for her to know i think the most important thing for
00:41:14.900a woman who is interested in joining the As-a-True Folk Assembly is to know that there are other
00:41:21.220women in the As-a-True Folk Assembly. We have a very, very large group of strong women who would
00:41:28.380help her in any way that they could. When we have events and celebrations at our hafs and at other
00:41:36.220areas, we make time to get our women together, specifically just us women, and spend time
00:41:43.860together and build bonds together she would find support in the as a true folk assembly she would
00:41:48.660find education in the as a true folk assembly she would find a home for herself and her children
00:41:55.780in the church choosing choosing media and entertainment in the home is something that's
00:42:07.620very important today as you know i'm sure we have to be very careful about what we let come into our
00:42:14.420homes um how do you screen what your family sees and hears and uh what what forms of entertainment
00:42:29.300would you recommend to be honest we don't have cable in my home we have uh streaming services
00:42:37.860that are that are monitored with parental settings um and they they see what is age
00:42:44.260appropriate and they see what we believe is ethically appropriate for them um it is it can
00:42:52.100be my children fortunately are avid readers avid readers so they can constantly be found with a
00:43:00.260book most of the time um you know for for example my my youngest son was recently gifted a book on
00:43:07.780theodore roosevelt theodore roosevelt that he is reading through and absolutely loves
00:43:14.100and that was a book that was given to him just to give him some inspiration and motivated motivation
00:43:36.760You know, and that's an example of a true frith weaving right there,
00:43:40.380knowing that, you know, my son was struggling with some asthma issues
00:43:44.440and Teddy Roosevelt did the same thing.
00:43:46.920And here's a book on how he overcame it.
00:43:48.620You know, to think of another's children as if they were your own.
00:43:52.220I mean, that's something beautiful and so rare in today's modern age.
00:43:57.500I know I got a little sideline there, but that's just an example of the support that this church and this religion gives to the families that we have.
00:44:07.620So are there forms of entertainment that you would recommend to parents who want to avoid the same things that you do?
00:47:00.880Do you, how do you feel about modern medicine?
00:47:05.520I would assume you're not adversarial to it, but do you also look toward more, I guess, homeopathic remedies?
00:47:14.060No, it's really going to be determined by the needs of the family.
00:47:17.740You know, the As a True Folk Assembly itself is not anti-vaccination or anything like that, but we do feel that they should do what is best for their families medically and what it is that they feel is correct, whether it's to vaccinate or not to vaccinate, whether it's to seek chemo or not to seek chemo.
00:47:39.860You know, that's really something that they need to evaluate at a family level, an individual level.
00:47:47.080But that being said, should they ever have a spiritual question that they want to work through in regards to that,
00:47:52.160we have Godar available that would most definitely help them in that spiritual journey to decide what was right for them.
00:48:00.420How has your family reacted to your faith?
00:48:03.780my family is one of the most supportive families that you'll ever find in regards to as a true
00:48:11.780um i do share the story that you know i come from a very catholic background however my parents have
00:48:20.380seen the improvements and how i've how i've matured and grown as a person and how i personally
00:48:31.640have become a better person because of Azzatru, because of my relationships with my gods and