00:00:14.000You know, I again, I am occupying the way that I live my life in a way that's comfortable for me, because that's my personal narrative.
00:00:24.220I am because of my profession. If anybody doesn't know, I practice bankruptcy law.
00:00:29.080And so I have become very debt averse because of seeing what debt does to people, to people's health and well-being, to their spirit.
00:00:42.780And so I try to avoid debt and I manipulate my way around that.
00:00:48.280And then the fourth aspect of this part of it is having a purpose.
00:00:55.400I think for many of us, perhaps, Matt, for you, you know, the church is the church and our folk gives us a purpose.
00:01:03.760You know, I want to see our people do well. I want to see our church do well.
00:01:09.360And as I throw my shoulder into the wheel and try to figure out what's going on with the phrase off or, you know, the problems that we try to solve every day.
00:01:20.560um you know that gives me meaning and purpose in my life and my children the uh you know to try to
00:01:31.480help them help themselves and our members to help them help themselves that gives me purpose
00:01:37.120it gives me a reason to fight my way out of bed every morning and um you know put on my big boy
00:01:45.580pants and go down and return emails not matt's but everybody else to return emails and make phone
00:01:55.340calls and talk to people and counsel people and you know because i feel like i i need that part
00:02:01.820of myself even my clients who frustrate me sometimes i i feel like i get a lot of appreciation
00:02:10.860internally by helping them, even sometimes against their, you know, against their overwhelming tide
00:02:20.900of mindless, you know, bad decision-making, you know, I managed to get them to a good result.
00:02:31.860And, you know, that helps me feel like I have purpose in my life.