00:00:00.000But what I do think that you can do is honestly share your experiences with the gods, share your belief in the gods, and invite him to give that a shot and see what happens.
00:00:17.560One of the best things, I don't think Svahn or I can prove to your atheist friends that the gods are real, but we can help facilitate your friends' opportunity to experience the realness of the gods.
00:00:36.480And I think that's the best way to go about it.
00:00:38.880if it becomes a debate, there's some arbitrary set of rules that don't really affect the realness
00:00:46.160or not of the gods. So I would avoid that proposition altogether. I would though
00:00:53.080talk about the ways that you know the gods are real and the effect that has on your life.
00:00:59.760And don't try to argue with your friend. It's not worth that. It's just, there's no way to win that.
00:01:05.720but do invite your friend you know life is richer when you walk with the gods and when you
00:01:13.320come to develop a relationship with them has he tried why does he want the gods not to be real
00:01:21.660i don't want the gods not to be real okay cool well if they are real how about you try to make
00:01:28.980an offering and be open and see for yourself? How about you treat them? One of the, and so it
00:01:37.580depends. There are atheists that are committed to proving to you how silly you are and the gods1.00
00:01:44.240aren't real. That's one version that's very difficult. I don't think you can do that. They1.00
00:01:49.960have to be in a place where they are willing to be open. But if you have an atheist who is1.00
00:01:57.440intellectually curious and wants to have thought experiments and wants to play the game and wants0.87
00:02:04.100to engage in a discussion about it, whether they genuinely seek truth or not, if they're just
00:02:08.820curious-minded people that are fair, challenge them to give it a shot.
00:02:16.660Act as though the gods are real and see what happens. Treat the gods as if they were real