Asatru Folk Assembly - Gods, Folk, and Destiny feat. Ron McVan

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00:02:00.000 hello everyone this is stephen mcdalen with another episode of

00:02:27.840 gods folk and destiny whose gods our gods and goddesses holy powers of the north led by

00:02:37.840 odin and by frigga whose folk our folk born of ancient hyperborea now spanning the globe with

00:02:46.560 our eyes on the stars whose destiny our destiny which we will make by hard work and mighty deeds

00:02:57.840 honor sovereignty well-being and the existence of our people forever so shall it be

00:03:10.320 ladies and gentlemen i've got a very special guest tonight i knew a lot of you knew this

00:03:14.320 was coming at us ron mcvan ron is one of the pioneers of this movement that we variously call

00:03:21.120 Asatruz slash Odinism slash Hethanism slash Wotanism. He's the author of Creed of Iron,

00:03:29.020 of Temple of Wotan, and Eye in the Well of Mimir. He's what we would call an OG. Now in some circles,

00:03:37.680 OG means original gangster, but we don't do gangster talk around here. So what this is,

00:03:43.700 is simply old Goethe. So before I jump in here with Ron,

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00:04:11.880 This is not a hobby for me.

00:04:13.620 This is not a pastime.

00:04:15.120 This is not something I do because I'm bored.

00:04:17.820 This is one of the tools I need to change the world.

00:04:22.100 And that is my goal.

00:04:24.000 I will not live a normal life.

00:04:26.100 There are things I want to accomplish.

00:04:28.180 And what we do here in this podcast,

00:04:30.880 as almost as it seems sometimes, is a foot in the door.

00:04:34.400 It's a beginning of something much larger, much grander,

00:04:37.620 and you are an important part of it.

00:04:43.060 So with no further ado, Ron McVann, hello.

00:04:47.660 How are you, Steve?

00:04:49.060 I'm doing well, Ron.

00:04:50.900 Yeah.

00:04:51.740 It's been a long time since we've seen each other.

00:04:53.760 I know, yeah, it's been too long.

00:04:56.440 Talked on the phone a couple of times,

00:04:58.140 but it's been years, man.

00:04:59.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:01.740 Hopefully we'll get together here soon, yeah.

00:05:03.840 I would like that, I would like that.

00:05:06.320 some years back you came down here and and have Yule with us as I recall. Yeah.

00:05:12.080 I don't remember what year that was. Yeah, early 2000s somewhere. Yeah, something like that.

00:05:18.200 Well, I'm really glad to have you on here. Everybody knows you as an author,

00:05:27.820 but you're someone that, you know, you're an artist, you're a musician, you're a philosopher,

00:05:33.100 and you're a man with a lot of very unique and very interesting perceptions and hopefully tonight

00:05:39.600 we can kind of get into all of that talk about your interest in philosophy and the esoteric and

00:05:45.280 everything else but let's kind of start with you know first things first can you tell us a little

00:05:52.140 bit about about your journey you know what what brought you to this thing that we do and what was

00:06:00.900 that attracted you to it and how did it all get started for you just in your own words

00:06:08.820 yeah well i've always had a sense of uh heritage being born in philadelphia you know there's a lot

00:06:14.980 of history there and i grew up going to um my mother would take me in a lot of kids in the

00:06:21.620 neighborhood to independence hall and valley forge and alfred's alley and betsy ross's house and

00:06:28.740 just uh all over and that that really sunk in at an early age and uh um uh from there i i there

00:06:38.660 there were there you know of course back in the early 60s there wasn't much talk about

00:06:42.820 rotanism there was a movie of the vikings and you had read the book of that and everything and uh

00:06:48.900 it wasn't really um clear to us you know and i i was searching i i was always been spiritual but

00:06:55.620 But I've always been searching.

00:06:59.180 And then I wasn't sure I hadn't heard.

00:07:03.900 Fortunately, when you and Elsie started putting stuff out in the early 70s, then it started to formulate.

00:07:10.000 And that was really a big, big step forward here in America, having access to that literature.

00:07:18.660 Then it started to take shape.

00:07:21.980 You know, and through the 80s, I was hearing about it a lot.

00:07:26.660 I've been, without officially pronouncing it, I mean, I've been a white nationalist with my life, mostly just by nature.

00:07:36.920 I mean, I was all about, always been about heritage and cared about our folk and everything.

00:07:44.960 But I didn't know about Odinism until later down the road.

00:07:48.460 and so you know there were certain things that would I would try out you

00:07:58.160 know I tried to and I did a lot of comparative religion searching and

00:08:01.940 everything I couldn't find what I was looking for so I just kind of put on the

00:08:04.960 back burner for a while and then I just I worked with a lot of people that you

00:08:14.300 know the nationalists at the time they they've kind of made nationalists a dirty

00:08:17.700 word it wasn't a dirty word should should never be a dirty word to to be uh to be concerned about

00:08:24.420 your people and your folk and and every really if you get right down to it every race on the planet

00:08:29.780 just seems is nationalist you know japanese or national chinese uh the jewish people the uh

00:08:36.180 the africans everybody's nationalists but for some reason you know we can't be

00:08:40.420 nationalist is a dirty word for us but um uh we you know it's um it took a while till

00:08:48.660 until i guess uh i'm trying to think the key uh i guess

00:08:56.980 uh david let's see let's see it was about uh early i i well you remember elton hall right

00:09:07.060 elton hall yes yeah and he he had been in odinism for a long time he he was kind of my mentor he he

00:09:13.860 uh i met him uh in olympia he came and we met at the denny's and uh he he had quite a background

00:09:23.140 as a nationalist and but he was uh deep into odinism he was a friend of lc and he knew you

00:09:29.780 i guess he knew you before he he met me and uh he was telling me about odinism and he was

00:09:36.100 showing me his wood carvings of viking stuff i thought boy this this fits me really well because

00:09:41.940 you know i need a something to uh express you know uh through my art uh and and put all my talents

00:09:50.100 uh because i had tried uh earlier in my life to take paintings to galleries and it was just it's

00:09:56.820 so political that it's just a turn off you just people aren't into art for for beauty you know

00:10:04.020 it's all political and i got after about 15 years of traveling around america uh exhibiting in

00:10:11.700 galleries and stuff like that i just i just burn out and and uh when i met elton that was at a key

00:10:17.260 key time i think that's what really started it you know and uh so uh he was you know we were

00:10:25.720 talking about it and everything and then uh he invited me to a gathering where you attended and

00:10:30.920 And in Portland, you know, Reinhold had, Clinton had a kindred down there.

00:10:38.360 And it was only, it was the closest kindred to where we, and Elton and I lived in Olympia.

00:10:43.680 So Portland was about 125 miles, but not that far away.

00:10:47.360 And so we started to, after our first get together, that one that you attended, then we started building the kindred, you know.

00:10:57.920 and so uh and and then you you attended a few more with us and and i wrote i was really uh

00:11:06.240 i really uh appreciate what you were doing with your room workshops and you added a lot to it

00:11:12.000 and uh we were breaking a lot of new ground as a kindred in those days you know we uh

00:11:18.160 uh we were trying out new things having opera singers i think when you one of them there we

00:11:23.200 had an opera singer singing while we were doing sword dances and everything like that you know

00:11:27.920 and then oh oh yeah yeah you remember that yeah uh you know i i most people will never understand

00:11:35.760 how theatrical a lot of that was remember well you know we had the opera singer and she said

00:11:41.760 she sang wagner as the the burned on the pond and i mean right really kind of went in pretty big on

00:11:49.600 that sort of stuff yeah always very interesting remember that that i think the guys were with us

00:11:56.160 on that one because the uh at when we did the sword dance and we crossed the swords and the

00:12:01.520 sky was just perfect it was like a stormy sky and everything uh worked i wish we had better

00:12:07.920 recording equipment now they have better cameras now we were fumbling around with these big giant

00:12:13.840 vcrs and all that but um uh yeah so that that was a memorial memorial time and um uh yeah we

00:12:26.160 tried other things I can't recall but I you know our thing was to have more than

00:12:29.760 just a bloat ensemble but to add I actually put a drama in with it and make

00:12:36.360 make it something more special you know I I remember one time we had some

00:12:43.160 Scottish music like bagpipe music playing at one of the gatherings and the

00:12:47.640 gal was out there you know on the porch when we were break we everybody was in

00:12:51.660 the house taking a break and she she had tears in her eyes that you know she

00:12:55.920 said she had kind of I guess it's kind of a an awakening right there with the

00:12:59.820 bagpipes and the low fog you know there's always fog there and you know

00:13:03.640 Oregon and Seattle I mean Washington and it was just a magical night and it

00:13:10.560 kind of hit her that's how it creeps up on you you know when your ancestral

00:13:14.240 blood starts to stir you know certain things like that really open it up so

00:13:21.240 that that's always and you know how it is in assembles you know people they

00:13:26.340 start to reveal things that they never talked about with anyone else you know

00:13:29.940 they feel comfortable just talk about those things so it can get pretty

00:13:34.800 emotional and it's good it's all good and and then Reinhold he later put in a

00:13:41.680 stone circle I don't know if you saw that were you there when they had the

00:13:44.520 stone circle yes yes I see that now now he's in Maryland he's got another large

00:13:50.820 circle and these are huge stones i mean 16 foot high six foot girth or whatever you know it's it's

00:13:55.780 very uh it gives you chills when you have those standing stones and a fire at night you go out

00:14:01.300 with torches and stuff like that it's just it's wonderful you know it's just uh and so that that

00:14:08.100 was uh that's the one thing i really liked about the whole process is that it it's uh

00:14:15.380 it leaves so much open for for for uh uh i don't know just the magic there that's there you know

00:14:25.300 that you can't get anywhere else it just it hits you and uh uh you're with good people you know

00:14:33.280 and i just had uh a kinsman brett butts and a bunch of other kinsmen that came up

00:14:39.940 about 10 of them and they all came up and helped me i was having problems with my roof

00:14:45.080 and i couldn't afford to have it fixed and uh they all just put together and they came up

00:14:50.920 and they fixed my my roof you know paid for it and worked all day they came a long distance you know

00:14:56.920 from utah now this was just recently right yeah and i thought well this is what it you know when

00:15:03.560 we help each other like that when we're you know because i i was having water like in this room

00:15:08.200 where it was coming down from from the sheet rock was getting soggy and everything so um

00:15:15.400 but uh are are you your vision is looking out this way and i'm looking this way is uh i don't

00:15:22.440 know how it looks from from your end no i don't know it's all good i mean i've got you right

00:15:27.960 right there where you need to be here it's all cool but yeah so so yeah about when was it that

00:15:35.640 you wrote creed of iron oh it was about oh geez what was it 1998 i want to say or or no maybe

00:15:48.280 maybe earlier i can't geez i i can't recall offhand i i because temple roton came out just just before

00:15:55.240 2000 and uh okay yeah i had um i i had sent a lot of those creative irons out to people

00:16:05.320 um that i thought might be interested at the time you know that um and some of my early

00:16:12.120 mentor i i don't know about you but when i grew up in the 50s the hercules movies were a big

00:16:17.080 uh i mean i mean that was awesome for a child you know to see steve reeves up there pushing

00:16:23.000 columns i sent him a creed of iron i sent uh i don't know just a bunch of people um oh

00:16:31.160 uh oh i can't remember his name but i sent i sent out a bunch of them and the one the one uh

00:16:39.000 two to a lot of hollywood actors too that i thought were uh had a kind of consciousness

00:16:44.920 about their folk and uh the most gracious was was trump heston he he wrote back we got into a uh

00:16:53.000 uh write letter writing uh i made him a beautiful silver hammer uh he he said he had his uh he uh

00:17:02.480 creep or the uh temple of otan on his desk you know at all times and that really that was an

00:17:09.180 honor i mean when i first wrote to him i didn't even know how to write to him you know it was

00:17:13.440 he was awesome and uh but uh he he uh like i tell a lot of people he did a movie called warlord i'm

00:17:23.040 sure you've seen it that warlord did you see that right yeah that was a wonderful movie and um so

00:17:29.780 yeah that uh you know it's a shame he came he he contacted that uh or um he came down with that

00:17:38.920 alzheimer's at the end you know so uh it was a shame because he had a great mind you know

00:17:43.800 the guy was really something special and so uh but yeah getting back to the camaraderie you know

00:17:51.240 uh that's a big thing you know our people uh they look out for each other you know i mean if they

00:17:57.880 can if they can help you they will you know if you've got a good kindred i see that you're somebody

00:18:02.360 you're also two kindreds are doing um uh like food uh uh distributing food in the neighborhoods

00:18:11.080 and stuff like that that's like a food bank is that what is yes we we do that once a month uh

00:18:19.320 out of out of the hof in brownsville and um you know it's run through you know a larger network

00:18:25.320 of you know agencies that pass all that stuff out and they asked all the other churches in town

00:18:31.480 if they would do it and they all said no we don't want to do that

00:18:35.000 and they asked us and we said sure we'll do it uh and

00:18:38.520 last you know uh yeah you know you kind of get to see the other side a little

00:18:43.080 bit you know it's easy to to look down on people that are in

00:18:49.720 need and i think that's what we get through

00:18:52.440 because i think i think that the half a mile would urge us

00:18:56.040 to you know to take another another look you know at

00:19:00.040 that's humble and lonely because you don't really know their story and you have a lift in the shoes

00:19:05.080 so i think it's one of the best things we do yeah yeah i had times when i was traveling around the

00:19:11.240 country uh i had a route i would go down with my artwork i went down the west coast i would go to

00:19:17.400 uh san francisco down to las vegas down to or do l.a and in las vegas and go over to albuquerque

00:19:25.320 down to new orleans over to uh st petersburg and then up the east coast and i followed the weather

00:19:31.560 going around you know uh uh and um if you know i had a lot of experiences out on the road but

00:19:40.280 there were times when i just went flat broke you know it happens when you're in a strange

00:19:44.280 town you don't know anybody you can uh you stuck you know and fortunately i was able to get out of

00:19:51.640 of it, but it's difficult.

00:19:56.200 I wouldn't even want to do that traveling now.

00:19:58.340 It's a whole different ballgame out there now with, yeah.

00:20:04.600 So, you've been doing your artwork

00:20:07.020 for a long time before you got interested

00:20:08.960 in Odinism or Wootanism or anything, right?

00:20:12.720 Yeah.

00:20:13.560 Yeah.

00:20:15.460 Dave, can we see some samples of Ron's work?

00:20:20.520 I don't know quite how that works on your end.

00:20:24.980 See if he's...

00:20:26.880 Yeah, and maybe we can bring those up one at a time

00:20:30.840 and Ron can just tell us a little bit about what they are.

00:20:33.580 Maybe, would that work?

00:20:38.980 Okay.

00:20:40.240 Yeah, tell us a little bit about that.

00:20:43.780 I don't guess I'm supposed to be able to see that, right?

00:20:45.740 Because I don't.

00:20:46.880 But, okay, good enough.

00:20:49.980 trust you. Tell us about your portrait work. You've done a lot of stuff with Moyles.

00:20:56.860 Yeah, I enjoy doing portraits, historical portraits of people that I admired in history.

00:21:07.100 I've done Shakespeare, Nikola Tesla, Sam Houston, on and on. I really like that the most, I think,

00:21:18.060 because that's it it serves two ends i mean you're getting to work at your painting skill but also

00:21:25.100 uh you're doing something that's uh in honor of these people you know honoring these people

00:21:30.780 so yeah uh the frank roy bright i actually did i did a number of paintings when i was in las vegas

00:21:37.260 a friend of mine owned the uh house of fine arts on las vegas boulevard well he shut down

00:21:44.380 uh his business around 1985 but uh so we actually went to work for uh he and i

00:21:53.420 worked for uh richard harrison at the uh that's on the pawn stars uh show uh back then it was

00:22:01.500 just richard and his wife and i and zam uh a painting friend there and then there was a big

00:22:07.740 biker guy who did the jewelry work there and that was it that was pretty much the whole thing

00:22:11.660 he had a shop on fremont street at the time and there was a lot of experiences there but he let

00:22:17.500 us set up our easels in in his shop you know because it helped draw in customers and everything

00:22:23.340 like that so i did a lot of paintings in in his shop right there you know and uh so it that that

00:22:30.780 was that was a big uh slice of life right there you know uh the whole vegas experience you know

00:22:37.100 You know, I've sold paintings to Ann Miller, bought one of my paintings down in Florida, which she came in with Mickey Rooney to the gallery and they bought a painting of mine.

00:22:46.760 And you get to meet an interesting people around the country and that gave me a good feel of how of America, you know, all all around.

00:22:55.040 I got a pretty good I traveled every state except probably Maine.

00:23:00.520 I guess I never went up to Maine. But, you know, I got I got a good feel of the country and what was going on.

00:23:06.940 and meeting people you know that's i love to meet people and i love it when they come by to visit

00:23:12.780 here i had a great time with uh brett and all the gang when they came up and did the roof you know

00:23:17.020 i mean that that was a wonderful time you know and uh everybody that comes up we always have a

00:23:21.900 good time it's good yes yeah um yeah yeah i'm sorry i should stay in what do you have

00:23:36.060 um

00:23:39.580 which car are we i'm sorry

00:23:43.820 oh right yeah yeah tell us a little bit about that one ron yeah that one we used to use for

00:23:51.100 our frayfaxi gatherings uh uh in the ancient days of you know our ancestors used to have horse fights

00:23:58.540 and uh and of course we don't do that now that it's uh inhumane to harm you know it'd be like

00:24:05.660 uh dogs fighting you know nobody wants to see that all right well i mean uh we we do it with

00:24:10.060 mock horses and those horses come out of the holder and uh what we do is we have a bonfire

00:24:17.020 gone and we do a mock battle with uh with fray faxie which is the golden one and then the darker

00:24:23.580 one uh is fighting it's kind of a battle between light and dark you know of energies and stuff so

00:24:30.700 uh it's very dramatic i i don't know uh i would really recommend that for people if they want to

00:24:37.500 really bring a highlight to the fray faxie gathering to do that you know uh make if they're

00:24:42.540 easy to make it's just a two by six uh uh board and and i took i drilled quarter inch holes and

00:24:49.660 took a brush from a scrub brush and put um like these bundles of hair in each one of the holes

00:24:57.260 that are made of maine you know stuff like that and it's really effective you know when you when

00:25:01.340 it's dark at night and everybody's around the campfire you know so uh so that's part of the

00:25:07.660 sacred ritual kind of thing that you were talking about earlier. Yeah. And if you bloat and stumble,

00:25:12.540 you know, you have sacred drama, basically symbolically reacting and reenacting the different

00:25:20.620 things, right? Yeah. Okay. Very cool. Yeah. I mean, if somebody had the time, I don't have the time now,

00:25:26.700 but if somebody had the time to make those, he could probably, there's a lot of people would

00:25:30.940 would like to buy purchase those for their kindred you know right you know um yeah so

00:25:39.100 uh that that's what that's all about anyway yeah okay yeah so dave what else we got

00:25:50.940 right yeah you're you're portable half right yeah yeah yeah that was a prototype i i was thinking

00:25:59.660 about mass producing and when i had votons folk and uh we were making all kinds of things drinking

00:26:05.340 horns and room stabs uh chaps for your arms i mean uh you name it we had we were just uh

00:26:12.940 on the verge of starting um uh or doing a color catalog all the stuff that would have been

00:26:19.260 fantastic but we we had to break up uh at that time but um yeah the uh the thing was that that

00:26:28.300 if you look at that altar it it would take a lot of hours to make one of those by hand you know

00:26:33.500 and you'd have to charge too much and i just figured if you try to make it out of plywood and

00:26:38.620 make a real quick version of it it's not quite the same because the oak wood and the ash wood

00:26:43.020 that's all spiritual you know that i would sooner have my i know for myself i wouldn't i wouldn't

00:26:48.780 feel right with plywood you know and just just i don't know i i know uh in the battlefields guys

00:26:55.100 use plywood but they they can take a lot of punishment you know that's that's one thing good

00:26:59.420 about plywood but uh yeah i it just i just saved that one for my own my own use i have it set up

00:27:07.420 here in the room right here and uh it was a joy making it you know you get the i because i my my

00:27:14.860 idea was like if somebody's traveling say if you guys were having the gathering and uh if i were

00:27:20.860 coming down i could i could that all closes up into one little pack and i can carry i can carry

00:27:26.060 it with me on the plane i could uh come down set it up as a backdrop and we could do ceremony right

00:27:31.260 in front of that you know i mean it's uh it's real handy that way because you got everything

00:27:35.660 in there that you need and um yeah so it's another thing i hope some of the young younger folk of our

00:27:43.340 uh our kindreds and stuff they they will you know start putting their heads together thinking what

00:27:51.480 they can create for their kindreds you know for these things uh come come by necessity i mean

00:27:57.280 just a lot of this stuff so yeah i i i like this one but i i don't think i to make another one i

00:28:07.480 just take too long, you know, just too long. Yeah, I hear you. All right, Dave, what you got for us next?

00:28:21.160 Okay, I guess this is a good time to talk about your books.

00:28:27.080 So, Temporal Botan was actually first, is that correct? No, The Creed of Iron.

00:28:33.400 and then uh temple of otan and um uh and i i want to apologize since we're on the air right now i

00:28:45.840 want to tell everybody that i don't have control over that uh temple of otan anymore that's some

00:28:51.300 i tried to get amazon to realize that i'm the author of that book and i have the official

00:28:56.920 copyrights to it from washington dc and everything but they just would not negotiate with me and they

00:29:03.160 said you know well talk to create space who's a printer i talked to them they said no it's not us

00:29:09.080 it's amazon so they're bouncing me back and forth and the thing is there's scalpers out there that

00:29:15.720 are charging 300 per copy it's crazy and even 80 per copy is is way too much it should be selling

00:29:23.000 at 35 that's what i'd be selling it for but uh i know a lot of people are wondering you know why

00:29:29.240 it's so expensive well that's the reason you know if i had control over that it wouldn't be that high

00:29:34.040 and i don't get any royalties off that one you know and it'd be really great if somebody who's

00:29:40.840 listening to this would be in a position to help unravel that i mean it seems to me what you need

00:29:46.520 is a lawyer you know yes what i figured it was coming to you know a lawyer you're hiring a lawyer

00:29:53.240 yeah you know it's hard when you're on fixed income it's you know it's uh yeah so but uh

00:30:02.360 i think that's one thing that i i know you don't like to brag you know you're really a very modest

00:30:09.880 man but i think that most people do not realize that your whole life has had this spiritual

00:30:18.360 orientation that has been your motivation it has not been making money except what you need to get

00:30:24.520 by you you're not at all a materialist oriented it's um uh the nature of what i do forces me to

00:30:35.080 be a little bit material because i have when i do uh my music i have to have my equipment so i got

00:30:40.600 all this musical equipment and then when uh i have to have my shop to make this stuff in so i have

00:30:46.760 all these tools and stuff and then i have to have research for when i write books so i got books

00:30:53.400 everywhere you know it's almost getting comical now i got them under the beds i mean i open the

00:30:59.560 door and books fall out i'm out of room you know i just love books once you get addicted to books

00:31:05.560 i've been collecting them since the late 60s you know so it's uh oh god ron i got stories to tell

00:31:13.160 about that because it's the same way around here you know if you just kind of casually walk into

00:31:18.840 our living room you'll see yeah there's a whole lot of books on shelves but what you won't see

00:31:23.400 it on on the just just beyond the end of the sofa nobody can see it there's another stack like this

00:31:32.120 and i don't want to put them away in storage where the cat must die because i'm you know

00:31:37.000 i'm i'm it's kind of my active ones you know right yeah it's the way it is when you love books yeah

00:31:43.160 yeah it is yep yep i still go out i mean i i'm constantly going out this uh secondhand stores

00:31:50.200 and bookshops i can't i can't stop the thirst for it you know uh and yeah there's just um and i

00:31:58.600 loved a lot of the books on the ancient mysteries are very pricey now you know in in the early days

00:32:04.920 They didn't cost that much, but now it's very expensive.

00:32:08.020 Any books by Manly P. Hall, you're going to pay a heavy price on that.

00:32:12.880 I just recently got one called the Temple of Man at a used store for $75.

00:32:19.200 It was a big, gigantic.

00:32:22.560 In fact, here.

00:32:25.300 You can see that.

00:32:26.280 Can you see this, Steve?

00:32:28.280 Can you see this from where you're looking?

00:32:30.520 Yeah.

00:32:31.100 You can hold it back a little farther.

00:32:32.280 I mean, I can make out the title.

00:32:36.180 Yeah, Temple of Man, it's by Schwalur de Lubitz.

00:32:38.760 He's an Egyptian scholar,

00:32:41.440 but it's more than just Egyptian history.

00:32:43.940 It's got just the philosophy and everything in here.

00:32:47.420 It's two gigantic books and I got it for 75.

00:32:50.920 I knew it was a lot less than what it'd be new.

00:32:53.540 I looked it up on the internet, it's 250 bucks new.

00:32:56.360 So, but for me, it was, I couldn't leave the store.

00:32:59.420 When I saw this, I had to get it.

00:33:01.420 mean there's some books you just cannot walk by you know and yeah i i remember

00:33:10.300 pardon i was gonna say this let's what else dave has for us right now okay okay

00:33:16.700 oh okay all right that's good okay so yeah um i i was i was looking through let me go get my copy

00:33:25.100 stand by okay off for just a second

00:33:33.420 i got the copy of uh i and the well of memer that you said that you said and i've read added

00:33:40.140 i haven't read the whole thing by any means but but this is this is the last one that you published

00:33:45.020 yeah and thumbing through here i mean i won't even try to get into the into the theme of it

00:33:52.140 it's just it's just you know its own unique thing but i am struck by all the people that you you

00:34:00.060 cite you know using you know fair fair use clauses uh and there's a wealth of material in here you

00:34:07.980 you quote everyone from miguel serrano to uh um you know all some of the poets that we all get

00:34:16.380 emerson you know as those ones like that in school you know and manly p hall and name them

00:34:22.700 they're all in here this is the trip yeah yeah i i had fun doing that one you know and it leaves

00:34:29.500 you some freedom because it you can it doesn't have to be all by the book in historical uh

00:34:34.380 there's room for some fantasy in there you know but the main thing of that whole book is to uh

00:34:41.740 There's a theme behind it all.

00:34:44.520 I mean, there's a lot of knowledge in there.

00:34:46.620 It's not just a novel and it's to bring people to the conscious awareness of where we are today.

00:34:53.560 I mean, we're in the 12th hour of everything.

00:34:58.100 I mean, take away even our racial play.

00:35:01.840 I mean, fighting for our survival, that's one bad enough.

00:35:05.620 But I mean, the whole world is better.

00:35:08.060 You take a look at the new crew of youth that are coming in that are going to be filling the shoes in government soon.

00:35:16.760 It's scary.

00:35:17.980 You know, the kids don't know a lot today.

00:35:20.900 You know, there's a lot of these these colleges and universities are just not educating properly.

00:35:28.100 And they're they're trying to make protesters out of these kids and use them for political tools.

00:35:32.600 And they should be. They're not getting good knowledge.

00:35:35.040 you know and i don't see how you were a teacher so you know what's your feeling on that steve

00:35:40.720 as a teacher you know it's it's it's been years since i was a teacher and i was a teacher in

00:35:46.720 junior high school and back then well wendy some years ago um it was it was not that bad at that

00:35:58.080 level you know i can't teach okay and i i did what i could i taught science and mathematics

00:36:04.800 kind of hard threw up mathematics uh science was fun because we shot a lot of rockets because i

00:36:10.000 like shooting rockets i did things that i would would be instantly fired for doing today you know

00:36:17.120 i i i'd have push-up contests with my kids and stuff yeah yeah there was one kid there was one

00:36:27.040 kid that could be you know we just you know i kind of give them a good time um at one one point

00:36:36.720 i i ended the the day's session by okay it was kind of a down day so i taught them the jump

00:36:45.920 commands for a mass jump to exit a c-130 aircraft and when the bell rang they were they all exited

00:36:52.400 you know using the procedure i mean it was crazy but i did teach some science i really did oh yeah

00:36:58.480 yeah i i really like i i i look back at you know my youth i didn't have really uh impassioned

00:37:05.600 teachers and that kind of uh made it boring and i was i spent a lot of time daydreaming and getting

00:37:12.320 a little maybe a crack on the hand with a ruler or not to wake up you know i would be gazing

00:37:17.600 outside the window um but i had one teacher uh in elementary school later in i think it was the

00:37:23.780 eighth grade uh he was an english teacher and in philly we had a lot of dance shows i mean there

00:37:29.620 was bandstand there was always there was a guy there called jerry blavitt and he called himself

00:37:33.860 the geater with the heater and uh everybody you ask anybody in philly they know who the geater

00:37:38.660 with the heater is anyway uh this teacher i had he we had an assembly one time and he was up there

00:37:44.920 all fired up he said you heard about the gear or the heater he says i'm the learner with the burner

00:37:49.160 like that this guy you know he when you went in his class you could not put your eyes down or

00:37:55.160 you know he kept you made sure everybody was had his eyes on him and listening you better be

00:38:00.280 listening you know and you know at first i i thought you know this is kind of strict no but

00:38:05.320 no this guy is he's here for the right he's teaching these everybody i mean he's really

00:38:10.120 putting his passion into it you know so it sticks out in your mind when you get a teacher like that

00:38:16.680 you know and i look back at that and that those are little things that got me started to uh on

00:38:22.800 the knowledge quest of uh learning uh and i had an uncle also who was uh um he was quite a guy i

00:38:31.940 mean the guy was very unique i mean he looked like earl flynn and he he'd been in all the ports of

00:38:37.280 the world and he he would tell me about you know he'd show me his library all the time and he would

00:38:42.760 always give me books and stuff and uh he taught me about he was the first one to really teach me

00:38:47.680 about world politics i mean back in the 60s and i had no i was just enjoying the american dream

00:38:53.380 back then you know muscle cars and all that stuff and here he he was telling me stuff i had never

00:38:58.300 heard uh you know and and so he was always trying to help me push me along when he knew i was doing

00:39:05.540 I won an art contest in 1964.

00:39:08.880 It was citywide.

00:39:10.240 It was a big deal.

00:39:11.440 They had it all on display downtown in these banks.

00:39:14.560 And I did a watercolor of the housing project I lived in.

00:39:18.900 And that was my really start into taking art seriously as, you know, that's my vocation.

00:39:26.980 But he, knowing that I liked art, he bought me a beautiful wooden box full of oil paints

00:39:35.800 and everything.

00:39:36.800 And he was always there to help me.

00:39:38.300 He took me up to see Rogner's ring and everything.

00:39:42.360 And that was quite an experience.

00:39:44.160 In Seattle, they did the whole ring thing with several days you had to go.

00:39:50.120 And that fascinated me.

00:39:52.800 so he was a big influence on on my early learning uh because school did did nothing for me you know

00:40:00.400 at the schools back then i i just was waiting for the bell to ring to get out

00:40:06.240 but you know it's not because i didn't i i had a thirst for knowledge but

00:40:10.800 i wasn't getting the stimulation you know but what do you think that we as as adults some of

00:40:19.920 us being quite older adults and you know for that matter you know our our younger uh comrades here

00:40:27.680 um what can we do to inspire others around us what sort of things do you think would reach people

00:40:36.560 move people uh help them to to strive to something a little bit higher you got any insight you know

00:40:42.560 you've got a lot of just living living life you know you've been done all sorts of things we got

00:40:48.480 we got a great advantage with uh our kindreds i mean that that's the perfect uh place to unravel

00:40:54.800 uh you know and and and get them started because uh i don't know where they would get it in the in

00:41:01.760 the mainstream i mean it's it's just it's getting harder and harder to find um so i think that's our

00:41:09.280 greatest advantage right now is to uh you know certainly try to home i know it's not easy for

00:41:17.440 everybody to homeschool because they they got their jobs stuff like that but um if if you let

00:41:25.040 them go to you know it's almost criminal to let your kid go into the mainstream schools now they're

00:41:30.400 going to pollute their brains and poison their thinking and uh they'd be better off not going

00:41:35.600 to school at all i mean it's just and just learn at home but uh uh i think we have a tremendous

00:41:42.800 Disadvantaged with our kindreds, you know, just because you know how our people bring their young children with them and they get to know about the

00:41:51.860 Ethnic gods of our folk and everything and they they take to it. They love it, you know, and so

00:41:57.440 Yeah, I mean it's funny because it we it doesn't matter what age you are. It's it hits you everybody's the same

00:42:03.700 You know, it's it's fascinating, you know, and so yeah, I

00:42:08.600 Would say that would be

00:42:10.600 I

00:42:11.300 mean

00:42:12.800 But here, I don't, at this time in my life, it's hard for me.

00:42:17.320 I don't really have the time.

00:42:19.100 I have to make a choice.

00:42:21.100 Like, if I want to start a kindred, I can do that.

00:42:23.560 Okay.

00:42:23.840 But then I wouldn't have time to write books.

00:42:26.240 And I think I can reach people, more people, with books than I can with a private kindred.

00:42:33.420 But for other people, they can have huge kindreds and they can branch out.

00:42:38.580 and uh and and then with the video the access to a youtube now they can uh they can videotape

00:42:45.660 their gatherings i mean uh that's something i'd like to see more of is our kindreds uh

00:42:51.220 taking more time to uh dramatize everything put put some have some good music there live music's

00:42:59.900 always best you know I mean this is but you know you know regular regular you

00:43:07.620 can play music DVDs or whatever if you have a good sound system and and that

00:43:12.980 works I love what I'm sure you've listened to high long I love their

00:43:17.840 music and what they're doing it's kind of a primal your tribe sound and that's

00:43:23.960 that's that's exciting that's a new direction there's actually quite a lot

00:43:28.040 of music like that out there these days yeah there is yeah it's growing yeah and you can

00:43:34.280 copy download it and use it for your own you know kindred so that's good for that

00:43:40.040 and um yeah so when uh uh brett was up here with the roofing crew i don't know if you saw

00:43:47.000 if you have a chance to check on youtube we we did a poetry uh circle and we also did a

00:43:52.200 a high lung type of a rune chant and it was off the cuff but we it turned out

00:43:58.500 okay it was it was good so yeah yeah I mean it's endless you know what the

00:44:05.700 things we can do you know so just to go back to you to your books for just a

00:44:10.460 second which one did you most like writing what was your favorite one I

00:44:18.300 I guess Temple of Wotan would have to be, that's the granddaddy right there.

00:44:23.820 I think that'll still be helping people for years now.

00:44:28.020 You know, excuse me.

00:44:31.360 It certainly helped.

00:44:32.600 I had a prison outreach for 20 years.

00:44:34.520 So a lot of prisoners got their kindreds together there with that book.

00:44:40.700 I mean, that book was essential for them to do that.

00:44:42.960 and so uh uh yeah that that that book's got a life of its own i i only wish i could uh do

00:44:52.320 something about getting that price down for everybody because it's just it's just too much

00:44:57.540 to be paying but uh i i uh this this new book i know well a meemer that's the first novel i've

00:45:04.240 ever done but uh it reads if you've read into it it reads more like prose and i guess it's more like

00:45:09.800 and there's a lot of dialogue in there of exchanging knowledge with the characters.

00:45:17.300 And so it's, I really recommend, I mean, that every kindred, at least give it a shot, you know,

00:45:26.200 and getting good ratings are people, I haven't heard anything bad said about it.

00:45:32.560 There's something there for everybody to learn from.

00:45:36.720 But, yeah.

00:45:38.700 so when are you going to write another one well i got it i set that book up for uh

00:45:44.380 uh for for a book too that will follow that up you know the the main character realizes that he's

00:45:51.020 the chosen uh leader to to hopefully uh bring the world out of the morassets in and and uh

00:46:01.420 and so on the second book he'll come back in you know he he left that uh the hollow earth where he

00:46:08.700 was talking with his intelligent beings down there and they uh they let him know what his purpose was

00:46:14.300 in life and now he's out now this next book he will unravel that that part uh of how he's going

00:46:22.620 to do what he's going to do you know and uh to take it on you know it's very close to reality

00:46:28.700 it's very up to date with today i don't know if you've been following there's been a lot of uh

00:46:34.700 uh mr uh i don't know what you call it mystery surrounding antarctica there's there's a number

00:46:42.060 of things down there i mean you got the hollow earth thing you got they say there's lots of ufo

00:46:46.700 activity down there these there's lots of wealth or resources down there you know gold silver or

00:46:52.140 you know under that ice and they say now lost civilizations are uh also uh as as the ice melts

00:47:00.780 it's going to reveal more of that because that at one time antarctica was uh full of trees and

00:47:07.260 and it was like a regular forest you know but uh so it's exciting it's exciting times to live and

00:47:12.860 i've heard you say that too and i agree it's just uh um it's it's very stimulating to be at this

00:47:19.500 time in history it's sad to watch our people uh every day be the onslaught against our

00:47:27.020 people and culture every day that that's uh hard to bear when you know the media is controlled

00:47:32.220 the news everything is uh working against us you know so we uh anything we can do to to bring back

00:47:39.820 the roots uh i think i i remember years ago i was reading through a book a celtic book and it said

00:47:48.060 in there go to your roots that just hit me between the eyes that just um i thought yeah that's what

00:47:54.700 it's about you know you take away the roots you know the people forget their culture they forget

00:48:00.460 their heritage you know and so uh it's it's our duty really to make sure that doesn't happen you

00:48:06.860 know so um so you know i don't i don't know about you but i know that and to a lot of our listeners

00:48:16.060 this is going to sound like two old geezers talking which actually is the truth you know

00:48:22.700 at this point in my life i'm counting you know how many good years do i have left right yeah

00:48:27.980 i want to know what can i do that will have the most benefit for my people in the years i've got

00:48:36.060 left you know and is that going through your head too exactly i i wake up with that in my head every

00:48:41.980 morning it's not morning i don't think of that i think okay today and uh at the end of the day

00:48:48.620 i'm going to i have to ask myself what did i get done today you know did i do anything worthwhile

00:48:54.140 for the interest of uh this whole you know it is about i see i i hope it doesn't come

00:49:03.660 to reality that this country splits apart in civil war again that that would be terrible

00:49:08.620 you know i mean it was bad that first one was bad enough that's you know families fighting their own

00:49:13.660 families and uh like i was talking to you a while back the north was just as complicit with slavery

00:49:21.660 as the uh the south you know the south they always say oh the sows were in this uh slave slavery and

00:49:26.380 all that they were uh selling their cotton in the north and the north wanted it for as cheap as they

00:49:32.060 could get it so they were all complicit and you know they they were promoting slavery just as

00:49:36.460 much as the south so and and the civil war really wasn't really about that as you know it's uh

00:49:43.500 uh there are other a lot of other factors you know that rothschild's families finance both

00:49:48.700 sides north and south and they were making money with bankers like most wars but um

00:49:56.460 yeah i hate to see a civil war in this country you know and i i thought things would would

00:50:03.580 gradually everybody would kind of graduate up a few notches and and get away from from

00:50:10.460 this divide we have but uh uh it's it doesn't look like that way it looks like it's it's going the

00:50:17.100 other way well you know i've given this a lot of thought yeah my own perceptions obviously i've

00:50:25.340 been doing this sort of thing for a very long time i mean even you know 20 some years ago i was i was

00:50:32.860 i was heading up a group out of the bay area called the european american issues forum and

00:50:38.140 and immigration was our big concern and we all we all had this impression that the danger was

00:50:46.860 way down the road right down the road because hey people like us are going to be a majority for

00:50:53.660 till into the 2040s at least according to projections but you know i've been watching

00:50:59.020 a lot of stuff recently that says that's not really the point the point is where is that

00:51:04.380 concentrated in what states and how will that affect the electoral situation so not to get too

00:51:12.700 deviated off into politics so let me look back yeah but um basically i just want to agree with

00:51:19.660 you that yes a civil war would be not just a national disaster it would be a civilizational

00:51:28.220 right disaster because while we're busy shooting at each other

00:51:33.420 china is going to do do their thing right china doesn't think in four-year cycles they think in

00:51:40.380 centuries or millennia you know it's all about they they are to be the the the hegemon you know

00:51:46.620 that the place that everyone else brings their tribute to and um we can't allow that either

00:51:53.420 so we need a more elegant solution than a civil war just just speaking as a as a soldier you know

00:51:59.580 we don't want to go there unless there is no alternative whatsoever in which case you know

00:52:03.820 you do what you have to do is to die with honor right but yeah but ideally we can wake our people

00:52:10.780 up and that's what i want to do people you and me and people are half or a third of our

00:52:18.860 yeah we got to reach all we got to mobilize them all and i hope that all the young people

00:52:24.620 listening to this will hear something in my voice mother just oh there's an aging boomer

00:52:31.500 pitching about the situation because that's not it there is so much more to this yeah we can do 0.99

00:52:37.900 this we can do this but we have to get off our asses and do some work and fight hell with the 0.95

00:52:45.900 the means that are available to us right yeah with the new generation now they got places where 0.97

00:52:55.500 they can go cry in school and all kinds of they want to be pampered like it's hard to when we

00:53:01.900 grew up men were men you know men were men and uh they're still out there they're still out there

00:53:08.140 i mean i see guys that are into ufc and bodybuilding you know that was another uh big

00:53:13.340 slice of my life was martial arts you know i i uh i got into that i i kickboxed and uh i i that

00:53:20.940 was a big part of my life and i i uh i really enjoyed it then i i had a in 1990 uh let's see

00:53:29.420 two or three i got i was building a a cabin for some people up in the with the construction crew

00:53:36.940 and uh up by mount rainier and i was 30 feet up on a on a scaffold and it got jerked out from under

00:53:45.980 me and i fell all the way down to a plywood deck and snapped my leg in half crushed my ankle and

00:53:50.860 everything so my actual i still got my power foot my right foot but uh i got that that other foot

00:53:58.780 you know my my my sparring days everything like that they're over now but that but i uh uh i still

00:54:06.300 I still loved it. That was a big love of my life, too, in the martial arts.

00:54:09.920 Right.

00:54:11.020 And so, but, yeah, and there's a thing I put up this morning on my, by the way, I, you know,

00:54:21.060 I don't know if everybody knows that you and I both got kicked off Facebook permanently, you know,

00:54:25.540 so there's no going back, so I guess you're on what, you're on Gab or what?

00:54:30.700 I'm on Gab, I'm on VK, and I'm on MeWe, same as you.

00:54:38.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:39.700 I do what I can.

00:54:41.700 The VK is my next venture into that.

00:54:44.700 I tried to get in before, but they weren't accepting my password, and I just got frustrated.

00:54:49.700 But I've got to try it again.

00:54:50.700 I've got to get on there.

00:54:51.700 I hear that's probably the best of them all, I guess, from what I hear.

00:54:54.700 I don't know.

00:54:55.700 You know, it takes somebody five minutes to set up a MeWe account.

00:55:00.700 Those are so easy.

00:55:01.700 So people that want to take a look at the things you post and you post some great stuff.

00:55:08.700 You post some very inspiring stuff.

00:55:10.700 And that's something I want all these listeners to hear is that overall on MeWe,

00:55:14.700 take you five minutes to set it up and it's worth it just to see the stuff that Ron McVann posts.

00:55:20.700 A lot of it is your own work.

00:55:22.700 And you know, it's some of this stuff you've got laying around the house.

00:55:27.700 Yeah, I got lots of things that are very inspiring.

00:55:31.700 I mean, you're always on the up.

00:55:34.700 You're never putting out downers.

00:55:37.700 You're always optimistic.

00:55:39.700 You're always idealistic.

00:55:40.700 You're always pushing forward, which is something I really admire about you,

00:55:44.700 because it's really easy for people out there, myself included,

00:55:47.700 to get kind of black pills sometimes.

00:55:50.700 Yeah, it does. We have our days of depression. You see, when you just see it all coming back on you through the media channels and you think, geez, man, this is, we don't even have a say in anything. No, you just put up a video where you went down to Dallas to speak and they only gave you one minute. I mean, one minute. That's like an insult.

00:56:12.420 Well, it's true. I got one minute to talk and I, you know,

00:56:17.160 I'm glad you saw that video. I think it's interesting.

00:56:20.000 And if for anybody who hasn't seen it,

00:56:21.700 it's on red ice and it's called the battle of Dallas and

00:56:28.080 at least two things really good came out. Yeah.

00:56:31.740 I got one to speak,

00:56:33.360 but I managed to tell people that I came all the way from California to be there

00:56:38.360 to be there, to speak to them for one minute because I care.

00:56:45.240 The other thing that came out of that was

00:56:47.180 that I got to build bonds with really good

00:56:50.380 Asatru type folks and as well as political folks out there.

00:56:54.440 I slept on people's floors, they bought me meals,

00:56:57.740 they let me use this car and drive it around.

00:57:02.740 use his car and drive it around you know so well it was it's folk it's folk you know yeah

00:57:09.940 that's a good thing yeah yeah yeah it was worth the trip and just just the whole gesture was good

00:57:17.060 yeah yeah i wanted to give them another gesture but i can't show you that one here okay

00:57:23.540 actually a couple

00:57:24.340 That would have not helped me communicate my mission, my message.

00:57:32.280 So yeah, you gotta adjust it to the audience.

00:57:35.340 You really do can't go off and be a pothead unless there's situations where that

00:57:41.500 works best, but you know, yeah.

00:57:43.060 I hear it's not what people think it is.

00:57:49.320 Is that true? There's not much left of it down there.

00:57:52.720 Well, I think there's as much of it left as there has been at any time in recent

00:57:56.960 history. It's changed a lot since I was there.

00:58:01.160 I want to make another trip back there. I want to make another trip to the Alamo,

00:58:05.800 but also it's important to go to San Jacinto,

00:58:09.120 which is mostly just an open field and a very tall monument.

00:58:13.740 But that's where a few weeks after the Alamo, our guys, 0.99

00:58:17.780 Speaking of the tech, you kicked your butt on Santa Ana and tons and tons and tons of Mexicans. 0.99

00:58:24.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:58:26.360 Yeah.

00:58:26.900 And the government didn't help on that, did they?

00:58:30.420 The government didn't help on that.

00:58:32.080 Yeah.

00:58:33.220 They asked for help from the government.

00:58:35.560 They wouldn't give it, from what I understand.

00:58:38.600 Yeah.

00:58:40.180 But, yeah.

00:58:41.380 You know, I've got something I want to say to everybody here.

00:58:47.780 We're running about my hour that I normally do.

00:58:52.760 I'll call you back on in just a minute

00:58:54.720 for final comments and stuff, kind of wrap it up

00:58:58.940 and see what Dave's up to behind the scenes there.

00:59:03.240 But first, I just want to tell everybody about this.

00:59:09.760 Guys, all you people out there watching this,

00:59:12.160 you know what this is.

00:59:13.360 It's a drinking horn.

00:59:15.520 It's a drinking horn.

00:59:17.420 What you may or may not know is today is the ninth of the month.

00:59:22.400 And it, this is Odin world prayer day.

00:59:27.420 This was set up by a wonderful guy in Sweden.

00:59:31.820 Those of you who haven't been kicked off of Facebook yet,

00:59:34.580 you can find the Odin world prayer day group.

00:59:39.260 And the whole idea is, you know,

00:59:40.860 it's not like highly orchestrated or anything.

00:59:43.360 all you got to do is go out sometime today with your horn or with whatever devotional device you

00:59:52.480 use pour it or do your little ritual offer your gift your prayer your sacrifice your

01:00:01.920 whatever you want to call it to that guy and you will know that there are hundreds if not

01:00:10.000 thousands of people all around the world doing this same thing odin world prayer day it's an

01:00:17.920 awesome idea i always i post about it so some of you will have seen that i always try to post about

01:00:24.080 it and support it i support it completely this is where we harness the spiritual power this is where

01:00:32.800 we provide a sense of belonging not just you know like we would in a gathering but like we would

01:00:43.840 if we somehow could be telepathically in touch with all our kin around the planet

01:00:48.800 so odin world prayer day please go out there do this and it's really it's really a great thing

01:00:56.720 So, there. I wanted to get that out to everybody before we wrap up.

01:01:06.480 So, in closing, Ron, what message would you like to leave for all our listeners out here?

01:01:14.880 Well, I would hope that they would take some time to, I wrote my books

01:01:22.080 for to help people get an understanding of their heritage you know my life's

01:01:29.120 been dedicated to it and it wasn't done like you say it's it's not done for

01:01:33.480 money if it was for money I just keep selling my paintings you know I mean

01:01:36.780 it's just I I really sincerely hope that people will will give it a try I mean

01:01:43.080 most the books have have circulated pretty good so far but it would be nice

01:01:51.520 if they were out in the mainstream it's a shame that we can only work within our own circles right

01:01:55.840 now but um that's a lot that i mean that's what i have i put my life behind this i hope that uh

01:02:03.680 it'll come back to where our people will uh gain something from it to help them uh take it further

01:02:10.800 take a step further you know we're just torch bearers we pass the torch on you know and uh um

01:02:16.720 Um, there's nothing like, uh, uh, working with your own ethnic gods.

01:02:23.520 There's, there's just nothing.

01:02:24.820 And you can, you can slice it any way you want to.

01:02:27.220 You say, well, are they, are they real?

01:02:30.240 They're not really architects.

01:02:31.480 It doesn't matter.

01:02:32.340 It's in your, it's in our DNA.

01:02:33.820 It's in our blood.

01:02:35.060 It doesn't matter.

01:02:36.240 You, you, there's no sense splitting infinitives about, uh, did the gods really exist with

01:02:41.340 this?

01:02:41.560 It doesn't matter.

01:02:42.440 It's, it's in our blood and, and you got to go with that.

01:02:45.260 you can't you'll never find real satisfaction in some desert uh gods or some foreign gods that

01:02:54.780 are not our own it's got to be your own ethnic gods you know so uh i mean every time

01:03:01.980 we have gatherings and stuff it's a step forward you know because people tell talk to other people

01:03:08.940 and so we got to keep the kin's kindred strong we have to continually study you know it's the

01:03:15.340 whole thing about voton is about knowledge you know you got to uh get as much knowledge as you

01:03:20.300 can and and and and just grow as a people um and i i think you know there's not a whole lot there

01:03:27.980 should be more people doing this but it's it's it might take it might take some more um world events

01:03:35.900 to just wake people up i i don't know what that's going to be it you know maybe who knows i know

01:03:42.700 maybe nature will do something but uh the fight will never be over you know as long as we uh keep

01:03:50.380 pushing forward so uh i know you struggled all your life uh steve as far uh with this and and um

01:03:57.980 um you remember yost i mean i i he got cut short in in at age 50. he was to he was going to come

01:04:07.340 out and visit me about in a week or two before he died and uh i was really looking forward to that

01:04:13.420 when i heard it he passed away i was totally shocked but he's another one i want to give him

01:04:17.980 credit to and uh uh and and and i got to give credit to uh the vote from spoke candidate

01:04:25.420 reinhold that got us uh that gave me a place reinhold was able to we put our heads together

01:04:32.860 and we created a lot of fantastic gatherings and and i hope to before i get too old where i can

01:04:39.020 work together with a lot of everybody about as many kindreds as i can if i can get to where i

01:04:44.780 can travel around a little bit um uh to to uh you know just come and work with people and help you

01:04:53.820 know the best way i can from my my past experience you have you have tremendous experience i've seen

01:04:58.620 you giving your room workshops and all that it's fantastic what you've done you know so

01:05:04.380 so are you capable of traveling at this point i mean physically are you getting enough yeah i mean

01:05:11.100 my health is getting a little bit better i had a real bad few years there where i my kidneys

01:05:18.220 almost went out and uh then i had prostate uh problems uh that had to get a bit some half of

01:05:25.900 my prostate cut out uh and um now i got this heart and this afib you know as as we get hit our i'll

01:05:34.620 be 70 in a year you know so uh things you know your body just starts to give out a little bit

01:05:42.140 you know but so far i mean right now more right now it's more of a factor uh i've got animals

01:05:48.380 here it's hard for me to just pull up and leave for uh four days or something like that you know

01:05:54.780 so yeah but but i i it's in my mind to do that you know and and certainly when anybody comes here um

01:06:03.180 uh together here i have a little uh gathering here at the house too i hope you can come out

01:06:10.860 here sometimes steve with you well that's that's entirely possible

01:06:15.980 that's yeah it might happen yeah but you know i would really

01:06:21.340 really like to be able to get you down to the hof

01:06:23.820 at brownsville you you would you would really like it you would be

01:06:28.860 blown away you would be a guest of honor you know

01:06:32.620 you know we talked about that and if you if you come down here

01:06:38.060 i will take you to yost turner's grave oh that would be fantastic yeah i have been known

01:06:46.780 poor horn there sometimes yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah so that yeah that he was quite the guy i i

01:06:57.100 was i was cut short i was just about to meet with him finally physically meet with him and uh i know

01:07:03.980 he he was driven like we are on this too you know and uh so yeah that would be that would be

01:07:11.340 fantastic i would love that yeah yost didn't uh he just got reassigned right got his orders

01:07:20.300 got my orders yeah yeah yes well all right um with that with let's tune in with uh with

01:07:29.820 producer dave dave what's going on back to behind the scenes anything oh everything's everything's

01:07:35.020 good and clear but uh what an incredible episode tonight what a really incredible this is really

01:07:39.660 a gift for me to be able to produce this yeah and in 40 years uh you know when i'm when i'm an old

01:07:45.660 head and i'm you know hopefully not still doing podcasts and hopefully i'll be able to say that

01:07:51.500 i produced this this podcast this was a really really special episode this one of my top podcasts

01:07:57.740 i've ever produced or been a part of so thank you both of you i hope everybody that's listening is

01:08:02.500 realizes how special this is do you have any questions you want to ask of ron um

01:08:09.020 i don't know about a question i i told mr ron this on the phone but if you guys don't mind

01:08:14.860 like to tell a little story about uh mr ron please do yeah if it's okay with him

01:08:19.760 well um when i first started getting into uh you know our folkways and stuff like that obviously

01:08:26.700 mr steve was my my first introduction and then um mr ron's works was actually uh my my second

01:08:34.540 introduction and when i i went on i found out i started reading about him and i found about you

01:08:40.040 know temple of wotan and you know as he said before it was you know every copy i could find

01:08:44.980 was like hundreds of dollars and you know as a young man yeah i just met my wife at the time

01:08:49.920 i i didn't have that kind of money so mr ron i'm sorry i got it off the internet

01:08:55.260 i found it on the internet because i couldn't find a copy to buy i would have bought it but i

01:08:59.660 couldn't so i got a copy but that really revolutionized the way that i my worldview

01:09:04.300 it really changed the way that i i saw everything and thank you so much for for writing that and um

01:09:10.380 after i read that i was pretty impressed and you know i'm really starting to get into it at this

01:09:14.680 point and i wrote like a little essay with like a poem and stuff i actually found mr ron on facebook

01:09:20.320 and I sent it to him well I guess like a year or so ago I rediscovered this on one of my thumb

01:09:26.880 drives just like in the bowels of my house storage somewhere the the essay it was like a little essay

01:09:32.440 like a little poem it was garbage it was like the worst things I ever wrote Mr. Ron said thank you

01:09:37.960 so much young kinsman for sharing that with me I can't wait for you to put together your own book

01:09:42.940 of blowtar and to read that and that was such a huge confidence boost for me and I felt that felt

01:09:48.000 that was so special to hear an elder talk to me just like some some new guy just stranger on the

01:09:54.520 internet and say such positive things to me so thank you mr ron for all your work through all

01:09:59.080 these years thank you so much for your kind words to me and uh you guys that have you know dedicated

01:10:04.540 your lives and pretty much started this whole thing you guys and you know miss elsa elsa christensen

01:10:10.280 and you know there's so many wonderful minds that put this thing together i just want to say i mean

01:10:15.740 I promise both of you guys that us young guys that are coming up now,

01:10:18.800 we're going to pick up the torch and we're going to give it hell just like

01:10:21.860 you guys do.

01:10:22.580 I'm never going to be as cool as Steven McDowell and Ron McVann,

01:10:25.620 but I'll try.

01:10:28.420 Don't forget A-Rod Mills, too.

01:10:30.120 He was another pioneer.

01:10:31.980 He was the earlier pioneer, A-Rod Mills.

01:10:35.460 He was the Australian guy, right?

01:10:37.340 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:38.660 And I want to give credit, too, with – I know we probably have Odinic,

01:10:45.120 right people listening and i uh when i read odenic rights handbook and everything it was

01:10:50.640 it was good i liked it and but i thought you know we uh it was it was on um a spiral bound and

01:11:00.400 everything i thought we need something that covers everything i mean covers you know philosophy every

01:11:05.360 kind of every aspect of rice and rituals but it was that book uh related me really to realize that

01:11:13.840 i had to take things a little bit further uh and i had i had the knowledge from my my i've been a

01:11:21.040 voracious reader all my life so i was able to put this all into one big huge um uh working book that

01:11:29.040 you know for kindreds uh as much as i can but there's you know that's been around that book's

01:11:34.240 been around for over 20 years so it's uh it's probably time for uh someone could update it

01:11:40.640 you know somebody could take it further that'd be great and uh because uh it really did make an

01:11:48.560 impact i've got to hear that all the time people tell me how it changed their life you know so

01:11:52.560 that that that just gives me chills when i hear that because you know it's it's it's just really

01:11:59.300 uh gratifying but uh yeah yeah so uh hopefully you know we just keep moving along that uh there's

01:12:09.280 been a lot of people here we're probably missing some Steve I don't know but I

01:12:12.280 know I mean you can even go back to the 1800s you know I mean we're still

01:12:21.580 drawing from that you know so yeah there was it's been it's been a constant

01:12:29.680 state of evolving you know but we have to we have to push harder because times

01:12:35.280 are are are really uh closing in on us around us you know and uh um you know it's it's it could

01:12:46.160 mean our very uh survivalist and we could go extinct in a very short time they stay in 50

01:12:51.360 years we could be as extinct but um yeah you know um i appreciate even i've never really uh

01:13:02.160 been on the show like this before so it's it's all kind of new new to me so but i'd like to do

01:13:07.200 some more later now that you know we broke the ice a little bit here well i think that's a good idea

01:13:12.240 this is your first one ever yeah yeah okay well you know i hope that a lot of the people who are

01:13:18.320 listening out there who have their own podcasts are gonna say hey you know this this guy deserves

01:13:23.920 to be heard which is definitely true there's there's a lot to talk about you know it's hard

01:13:29.040 hard to condense everything into one one little session here but uh i feel comfortable uh being

01:13:36.000 able to talk to you guys and talk to everybody out there i hope uh um something was gained from out

01:13:43.120 of this i mean we you know so people can find you on miwi is there any any other contact information

01:13:52.880 you would like to provide to them just for the books if you go to amazon uh uh ron uh ron just

01:14:02.880 put uh in your google ron mcvan books uh and and your the amazon page will come up and you click

01:14:10.560 on the amazon page and that'll open up my uh list of books that i have through amazon and so uh that

01:14:19.840 would be that would be uh what a lot of people have uh i've talked about people they said they

01:14:25.120 just didn't know how to get to those books you know because it's all online right i do have a

01:14:30.640 quick question if that's okay okay so uh mr ron um is robert e howard the best fantasy author or

01:14:42.320 the best fantasy author ever i i i've got books of um the fact that i just got this one

01:14:52.160 where can you see this can you see this book

01:14:57.360 can you can you guys yeah we can see it awesome awesome yeah awesome so i i i i get inspiration

01:15:05.040 just more on a uh just a more surreal i i like the whole conan theme and you know i've had an

01:15:11.200 article out for a long time there was a king conan in historically uh there was a real a king named

01:15:16.720 conan uh but of course you know robert howard uh it was it was his own private fantasy of uh of what

01:15:23.920 he how he perceived it but uh he he did his part in his own way i mean that first net first conan

01:15:30.160 movie that that's still i i i go back and watch that i i just love this that sound score is still

01:15:36.320 my favorite all time i mean that that rivals wagner to me i gotta interject something here

01:15:42.640 because yeah this is it's such an interesting quote coincidence unquote that dave just brought

01:15:49.120 that up because i've got a video that'll be coming out on red ice relatively soon i probably i hope

01:15:57.520 to actually tape it the next couple of days and the title is tentatively something like conan texas

01:16:04.960 and me because yeah i was born 50 miles from where robert e howard wrote oh right yeah yeah

01:16:13.040 yeah and and i've been a bit to his the house where he wrote i even was able to go down to

01:16:19.280 the archives and with gloves on and that all to handle the manuscripts the originals dude

01:16:27.600 Dude, if Robert E. Howard had not prepared my heart and mind and soul and caught me at that teenage hormone driven boy time that I was at, I probably would have never picked up that Viking book that made all the difference.

01:16:52.440 I'm going to wax mystical about Texas for just a moment.

01:16:55.720 There's something about Texas that, you know, if I may say so, you know, I had a little bit to do with bringing back the exoteric aspects of of the faith.

01:17:07.220 And approximately the same time span, Edward Thorson was over in the Dallas area and he was soon to be doing that sort of stuff.

01:17:15.880 Of course, he and I did not hit weren't in contact to like the 70s or so.

01:17:19.280 And then you've got Robert E. Howard. There's something about Texas. It's archetypal. It's Alamo. It's San Jacinto. It's wild men who just will not listen to the reason, you know.

01:17:34.280 Yeah.

01:17:35.280 Yeah.

01:17:36.280 Hell yeah.

01:17:37.280 Unlike Arnold's line, he goes, when I die, I will go before Crom, and Crom will ask me

01:17:45.760 if I know the riddle of steel, and if I do not know it, he will kick me out of Valhalla

01:17:50.780 and laugh at me.

01:17:52.560 That is the power of Crom, high on his mountain, stronger than Arnold, stronger than Franco.

01:17:59.780 Well, it's great stuff. Great stuff. Anybody who's not reading Robert E. Howard needs

01:18:07.640 to go do it. Seriously.

01:18:09.100 Oh, yeah. He's an inspiration. He's an inspiration. Yeah. And Frazetta, I've always been a fan

01:18:15.240 of Frazetta. I reproduced a lot of his paintings to a tee, you know, and I sold them. I was

01:18:19.940 selling them. People wanted them. They asked me, could you do that one of the polar bears

01:18:24.040 pulling the chariot and all that stuff.

01:18:25.780 I'm sure, you know,

01:18:27.240 he was a great, great,

01:18:30.200 some of the best artists in the world

01:18:32.100 are illustrators.

01:18:33.380 Frank Franzetta.

01:18:35.500 Franzetta stirred my soul, man.

01:18:37.880 Have you ever seen his,

01:18:39.220 the cartoon movie that he illustrated

01:18:42.320 back in the 80s, Fire and Ice?

01:18:45.240 No.

01:18:46.300 It is cool.

01:18:47.760 It is real cool.

01:18:51.660 It's, I believe it's on YouTube.

01:18:53.300 It's called Fire and Ice.

01:18:54.780 I don't know all the details.

01:18:56.880 I'm pretty sure it was hand-drawn by Frank Franzetta.

01:18:59.700 It is cool.

01:19:01.460 It's all barbarians and all that stuff.

01:19:04.420 Yeah.

01:19:06.160 You know, I was going to wrap this up 20 minutes ago, but I've been having fun.

01:19:10.560 And then I brought up Conan.

01:19:12.240 Yeah.

01:19:13.000 Conan in Texas.

01:19:14.360 Conan in Texas.

01:19:15.540 Come on, man.

01:19:17.060 I'm not full of a nerd.

01:19:18.720 Yeah.

01:19:21.340 Oh, my.

01:19:22.080 maybe we had to do a wrap on it anyway guys okay Ron this has been awesome I

01:19:29.880 hope that I mean I would certainly like to have you on another time and I hope

01:19:34.500 that other podcasters that are watching this understand that you are a genuine

01:19:42.080 resource you are one of the OG's original go these not written with

01:19:49.080 gangsters and that you you have words of wisdom to give us and more than just words of wisdom

01:19:56.680 you've got an attitude you've got the attitude that we need to inculcate in the others around us

01:20:06.120 and thank you very much for being my guest here tonight i really appreciate it it's been a joy

01:20:11.480 Steve. All right. Thank you. All right. Dave, I'll just sign off right now.

01:20:21.160 Folks, that's all for tonight. Keep your powder dry, your cupboards full, your spouse happy,

01:20:27.880 your kids close at hand, keep your data out of the hands of the deep state,

01:20:33.720 and love life in Midgard because it is a wondrous gift. Good night, everybody.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - April 29, 2021

Gods, Folk, and Destiny feat. Ron McVan

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