In this episode of Expedition Truth, host Jack Ashcraft speaks with Matthew F. Flavel, the leader of the Alshatri Folk Assembly. They discuss the ethics and morals of the Aesir and Vanir religions and how they differ from Christianity.
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00:00:45.780Hope you had a good week. Welcome to the program. I think you're going to like the discussion tonight.
00:00:51.380I wanted to have my guest back on because I think that a lot of people have a really misunderstanding regarding the ethics and morals of indigenous peoples, specifically the indigenous peoples of Western Europe.
00:08:40.060Absolutely. And I think one of the problems is, you know, the path that civilization has taken is kind of taking anybody's ability to stand for their honor in a combative way out of their hands.
00:08:52.200You know, just 30 years ago, if you said certain things, you'd get popped in the mouth and that was completely acceptable.
00:08:57.380It's not so much today. And I don't really advocate for a more violent society, but I certainly wish we were in a place where our words carried weight, where we said less of them and thought more about the ones that we say.
00:09:10.060uh you mentioned earlier it's very very little thought very little consequence to people saying
00:09:14.860some of the most horrendous things about a person about their beliefs about their family
00:09:19.420and there's very little we can do that fixes that in the verbal arena but one thing that you can't
00:09:26.540out-civilize reality and that's part of the thing if you're a person who has honor and dignity
00:09:32.060especially because words are as cheap as they are today
00:09:34.940people tend to people tend to internalize that and internalize who you are more
00:09:42.460um you know in spite of criticisms if you shine with example and you obviously carry yourself
00:09:50.520with a certain amount of dignity a lot of those criticisms matter less than they would have
00:09:55.240you know years ago yeah i i didn't mean to suggest that uh that you believe we should be
00:10:02.320oh yeah of course more violent society my thinking is that uh at least in those in those days there
00:10:09.760was a threat of violence if you shot your mouth off and so you were more careful in your choice
00:10:16.720of words and i think that that um that made for a more civil society overall certainly it did when
00:10:24.640you had boundaries that you know there was a consequence to crossing that matter we see that
00:10:29.840in this day and age now when everyone's so removed on computer on the computer on
00:10:33.760on the screen you can type the most horrendous things to someone that you'd never say to their
00:10:38.720face and it's not because you're scared they beat you up that may factor in but you have to look at
00:10:44.560someone in the eye and see the effect your words have on them and most people don't want to do
00:10:50.000that but they're very bold when they're across a computer screen or you know talking over the
00:10:54.480internet yeah social media is a is a poison that's for sure let's uh let's jump to a point
00:11:01.360two there the folk community principle um yeah so basically um individuality is really important
00:11:10.880it's great to have really strong individuals but it's supremely important and always was to our
00:11:16.080ancestors to be a functional part of your community life lived in a context in a community in a
00:11:23.840a community of people like yourself is at the very heart of you know what we believe the value in
00:11:30.480existence is your relationship to other people um so much of our faith is based on our relationship
00:11:35.440with our gods in that community but to our ancestors that was very holistic to to your
00:11:40.640tribe to your family to uh you know the people that you had to work with or you had to go to
00:11:46.400battle with, having that sense of community, it's often called the kin sense in Ausatru,
00:11:53.920is essential to how we practice and how we define ourselves as the role we play in that community.
00:11:59.600Now you mentioned in this point that you must work to make justice and law rule.
00:12:07.920What do those two words mean within the context of Ausatru?
00:12:12.080um well one of our one of our noble virtues is truth and the idea of dealing with things
00:12:19.760fairly i think especially when you talk about the ideas of justice and law
00:12:24.560if you're in a position to have power to enforce things it's even more incumbent upon you to do so
00:12:33.360judiciously and fairly um our people have always been a people of order i think there's a hollywood
00:12:39.760image of of these anarchist vikings and that's that's not what uh european paganism was ever
00:12:45.600about it was about making order from chaos so doing what we can in a reasonable way within
00:12:51.680our power to ensure that people are treated fairly people are out of fair standards that
00:12:56.800laws and rules are respected and uh and people abide by those and aren't lawless
00:13:02.560Now, you also mentioned in this point that it's incumbent upon you to work for a better
00:13:10.960tomorrow, a brighter future for your children. Given how really disordered
00:13:22.320modern society is, how does that work out in practical terms for members of your faith?
00:13:30.480there's kind of two different avenues on that also within this community principle is the idea of
00:13:35.760being good neighbors and being helpful worthwhile members that are doing something to make your
00:13:40.000community better we've tried very hard at all three of our hofs so far to be involved in food
00:13:45.600distribution and other charity in the communities that we're in because it's very hard to access1.00
00:13:51.760these big you know you mentioned all the macro problems out there of the disordered society0.99
00:13:57.200but if we're giving out some food we make somebody's day a little bit better we make1.00
00:14:02.000somebody's family a little bit better we can start there and work from it um internally with
00:14:08.400all of the problems out there in society and all of the disorder we have the opera there's so much
00:14:13.200out there that can be very daunting to to face and to realize and we don't have control over
00:14:18.960at least not in a direct way but we do have control over is our brothers and sisters in
00:15:22.020which we've only had for a little bit over six years now allows us to do that on site so we can
00:15:28.020store some supplies certainly we monthly do uh food giveaways to members of the community
00:15:35.300but we also have food for members of our community that you know find themselves on hard times the
00:15:40.500other thing we have is the uh folk services program within the afa and if you're a member of
00:15:46.500the afa family if you're a member or you you know your family needs help and you know natural
00:15:51.620disaster happens you lose your job or something comes that way we've got a lot of very generous
00:15:56.580people that have donated of themselves to where we've got a fund to to help those families make
00:16:01.380it through you know we can't necessarily buy them a new house or whatever but we can put them up for
00:16:05.940a few nights we can make sure their their kids have a meal we can we can do what we can to take
00:16:10.900care of them right right meet the immediate needs yeah it's yeah i think matthew to be quite honest
00:16:17.780i think a lot of people and let me be specific i think a lot of christians are probably surprised
00:16:24.660by that because uh they they tend not to think of of uh other faiths doing such things you know
00:16:33.860outside of the uh avrahamic faith well you know i think that's probably true and i'm glad you've
00:16:40.260given me an opportunity today to to shed some light on it i think you know whenever people
00:16:44.660don't know nature abhors a vacuum and if you don't know something you can't help but make assumptions
00:16:50.340so i'm i'm glad for that you know one of the really important things about ossiture as opposed
00:16:56.180to some other faiths is it's very much based around doing and accomplishing we part of our
00:17:03.460relationship with our gods and part of what we talked about about honor earlier was we want our
00:17:09.060gods to be proud of us and they're proud of us through what we do what we accomplish not what
00:17:14.260we think not what we would like not through faith per se but through action and through our deeds
00:17:20.900so it's really important for us to do good deeds and to earn reputation through action
00:17:27.220okay the the next one is the ancestry principle
00:17:30.820so it's fundamental to our relationship with i guess in the broadest sense we practice
00:17:43.780ancestor worship and that leads eventually to our ultimate ancestors which are the gods themselves
00:17:51.060so respecting our roots respecting who we are where we come from and the things that have gone
00:17:57.780into making that happen all of the countless lives that have been lived to secure a future for us
00:18:07.380if you know our grandparents hadn't had made it through the great depression we wouldn't be here
00:18:12.500if their parents hadn't made it through any of the famines of that time we wouldn't be here if
00:18:17.620people hadn't fought and worked and built for us to have what we have we wouldn't be here so taking
00:18:23.380appreciating that and appreciating that common heritage and celebrating it and keeping it
00:18:29.300alive and vibrant is very important to us yeah yeah i would agree with you 100 um anything good
00:18:36.500that we possess today is the result of the blood sweat and tears of our ancestors and i think to
00:18:44.500squander that is an insult um to our to our ancestors to our heritage um it's one of the most
00:18:57.220i think disgusting things in post-modern culture is that there is no respect for our ancestors0.91
00:19:06.420And again, I think unfortunately Christianity has gone way too far and I guess the best
00:19:20.780way to put it is an almost Gnostic dualist approach to the world such that it has rejected0.69
00:19:32.880at least on practical terms, the same kind of honored ancestors that you're talking about?
00:19:39.600Well, something else that I think is important to mention during this and while we're here is
00:19:44.720often, even in Ausitru, we're very comfortable when someone dies or thinking about, you know,
00:19:50.160generations past, putting up a picture, lighting a candle, lighting some incense and honoring and
00:19:55.440celebrating our ancestors. Yet many of us have grandparents that are still alive that we won't
00:20:01.840call or make any attempt to to have a successful relationship with that's really unfortunate i
00:20:08.400think respecting your elders especially those that are kin to you is foundational if you're
00:20:15.920going to honor your ancestors so i wish people had more respect for their elders in this day and age
00:20:20.000as well yeah i would agree with 100 i mean how many people shuttle their parents off to
00:20:25.760elder care facilities because they don't want to be burdened. I think it's sad. I grew up in a home
00:20:32.980with my great-grandmother who was bedridden, my grandmother, my great-uncle. I mean,
00:20:38.800there were generations of us in the same home, and nobody was ever shuttled off to an elder
00:20:45.660care facility. The only time I remember my great-grandmother ever leaving the house was
00:20:51.600when she had a doctor's appointment other than that you know she was cared
00:20:57.360for by the family and I think that's been lost and it's it's unfortunate so
00:21:06.360again I have to agree with the ancestry principle on that does does the folk
00:21:14.700assembly have plans perhaps in the future of of maybe uh if need arises having something like that
00:21:22.940to to make sure that the elderly are cared for who maybe don't have family i think plans may
00:21:29.660be unfairly ambitious but dreams absolutely that's something that i know personally i've
00:21:34.060talked about for years with people we'd love to have a spot one day where the elders avows are
00:21:40.940true because a lot of time it's sad you'll find these elderly that have spent their life building
00:21:46.140something often spent their life building the outstreet folk assembly that we have and they'll
00:21:49.980find themselves in their later years without family impoverished and not with a lot to take
00:21:55.500care of them we do the best we can but i'd love to have a place where those people could go to
00:21:59.980and be cared for in you know in their golden years and i'd really love to see that happen
00:22:05.180Yeah, yeah. I think it would be a good thing because they are an important resource. Because it is true that with age comes wisdom. When I was 20, I probably didn't believe that.
00:22:19.000But many, many years later in my 50s, I do recognize the wisdom of my great uncle, for example, who I, when I was a teenager, I thought he was just a grumpy old guy.
00:22:36.040Now I look back and, yeah, he had some grumpy tendencies, but he also had a lot of wisdom to share as well.
00:22:43.960So, yeah, I hope you can do something like that.
00:22:48.280uh i think it would be beneficial um when when we come back because we're going to take a break
00:22:56.680here when we come back we're going to hit a principle that i think is going to really hit home
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00:27:41.920where the truth never fears questions. Welcome back. If you just joined us, we are talking
00:27:48.360with Matthew Flavo. He is the leader of the Alchitri Folk Assembly. Before we get back
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00:29:00.280Patreon. So let's get back into the discussion here. Matthew, the next point I think is one of
00:29:11.840the most important, in my mind anyway, and that is the family principle. So there's a lot packed
00:29:21.060into this one or certainly the implications of it uh reach into a lot of different aspects of things
00:29:27.140now this one if you read the website we make a point of special of specifying the white family
00:29:32.340and we've taken some heat for that and it wasn't to be provocative it was to address some clarity
00:29:38.580um i think that we've seen a forced i think we've noticed a lot in advertisement i'd say last year
00:29:48.100to two years but we've seen it for a lot longer than that that you can't have a healthy white0.80
00:29:54.740family displayed on a commercial anymore it's always an interracial family or a homosexual
00:30:02.340relationship and it's not by happenstance it's being pushed on us so we really want to take a0.76
00:30:10.500stand against that being forced on us and that future being forced on our children
00:30:15.220um and this this goes through a lot of things those that that haven't read it it talks about
00:30:21.080how the family principle we want to have kids and grandkids that grow up and you know are
00:30:27.080recognizable to us and that make more of us in the future so that we can be their ancestors
00:30:32.900all these principles kind of go together but this one very specifically we want to foster
00:30:39.240healthy families and we've watched in our society that really change we've watched a lot of people
00:30:48.040through whatever propaganda choose not to have families until later than later in life and by
00:30:54.600the time they decide to do that it's too late for a lot of folks so we have a lot less children um
00:31:01.320you mentioned earlier before the break there is you know there was a time where abortion was
00:31:07.400universally a bad thing and you had a camp of people that said never and you had a camp of
00:31:12.760people that said under some really bad circumstances it's the lesser of two evils
00:31:18.840now we have people openly when new york passed their abortion law last year we had people openly
00:31:24.600in the streets celebrating infanticide and that shocked me to my core i knew things were bad but
00:31:33.160that was very shocking to me i tell you matthew what shocked me is i read an article
00:31:39.400by an abortion advocate who was literally advocating the
00:31:46.040they called it abortion but it's the murder of children up to the age of seven
00:31:53.000uh i i was stunned that somebody could publish this sort of genocidal insanity and be lauded for
00:32:07.000it as this woman was it just stuns me and what you say about the the the progressive attack
00:32:18.040on the white community i think it's true i i don't think you know you don't have to be
00:32:24.600uh a part of the alt-right or uh you know they love to toss out the word
00:32:31.240nazi you don't have to be any of these things to to recognize that there is a lot of propaganda
00:32:39.160out there that is very much anti-white um you know this uh critical race theory is one of the most
00:32:47.880disgusting things i've ever seen in my life there is nothing redeemable in uh in critical race theory0.96
00:32:59.240as far as white people are concerned they they blame white people for everything white people0.95
00:33:05.880cannot be good people uh it is it is a genocidal uh eugenics based hate theory and and somebody0.88
00:33:18.040like you who steps up and says well you know we don't hate you but we don't hate ourselves either0.59
00:33:25.080uh for some reason you're you're suddenly shouted down as oh look it's a neo-nazi and i think it's0.54
00:33:31.400just sickening well it is sickening and one of the results of it i mean all of the things on
00:33:37.080the face of it that are obviously bad but the suicide rates have increased dramatically amongst
00:33:43.400our young people and imagine you're you're a young white boy or girl in school and you're
00:33:48.920being taught from the earliest ages in public school that everything bad in this world is your
00:33:55.960fault and you have to take special classes on self-loathing to get out of school that are
00:34:02.980required i can't even imagine what that does you know we've understood as a society for decades
00:34:09.820now that children's self-esteem is so important when they start life and with their outlook on
00:34:14.500life we used to tell our kids they could be anything they wanted to be when they grew up0.93
00:34:18.020and now we say that unless you're white and that's a horrible thing to start kids with0.94
00:34:24.560Absolutely. Absolutely. I know of two cases right now where two boys, one was in middle school, one high school, because of critical race theory being taught in his classroom.0.99
00:40:50.460And I think we see this in the West in general, this individualism, but I don't, you know,
00:40:57.080I'm not going to be so presumptuous to say that the gods don't listen when you approach
00:41:00.700them individually but i can only imagine they would listen so much more when a group of 50 of
00:41:06.780us or 100 of us are standing together united as a family worshiping the gods um and i really
00:41:13.740believe that when we engage in worship as a community it's so much more powerful something
00:41:18.940happens in a spiritual context in a sacred place when you're you're worth more than the sum of
00:41:25.820your parts it's more than all of those individuals standing together that togetherness amplifies
00:41:32.060amplifies that connection it amplifies what you're doing yeah i mean if if we believe that the family
00:41:37.340is of divine origin and i do then that that extended family is also of divine origin and
00:41:45.420it meets its created end uh when it is it is uh it gathers together as a community and works
00:41:52.780together as a community. That's just my thinking. Okay, the next point is the personal excellence
00:41:59.680principle. So kind of what we've been saying all along, but this makes it real specific. We want
00:42:06.320to achieve. We want to do more. We want to be more. Our community is only stronger and better
00:42:11.600when it's made up of better people. The better I am, the more capable, the stronger, faster,
00:42:17.800smarter wiser wealthier i am the better i can help the guy next to me get there the better we can help
00:42:25.480each other overcome if we're all doing our best to tomorrow be a little bit better than we are today
00:42:32.520you know i was looking at this principle here and you you mentioned um several pursuits knowledge
00:42:39.720wealth there's one that really stuck out to me the practice of skill
00:42:45.800um and that one stuck out to me because of this you know the pursuit of knowledge
00:42:51.080i'm certainly not going to say we shouldn't i'm college educated myself but our colleges are
00:42:58.360are really they are as well um propaganda arms of of the leftist agenda and um so we have to
00:43:09.000be careful with that um but the practice of skill i've often thought it would be a good thing if we
00:43:17.480had like trade guilds you know of the past where people could learn this trade uh whether it be
00:43:25.960metal work uh you know what have you and they they give a certain number of years to learning
00:43:32.840the trade and then they could go on and and and do it on their own do you think there's something
00:43:38.520like that in the future for the assembly well i'd love to see that and one of our problems right now
00:43:44.360is proximity just having enough people who share a common skill in a common location to make more
00:43:50.920of that feasible but we already see our people working together one thing that i've seen a lot
00:43:56.040lately just kind of at random is folks that weld we have welders and metal workers within the afa
00:44:01.960that communicate together that talk about training programs together that pool their resources and
00:44:07.480And the more we have skilled people, the more we can, you know, we're in a cancel culture to where if you practice wrong think, employment can become more difficult.
00:44:16.860Well, when you have a marketable skill like this, you are way more employable, and when
00:44:21.780we pool our resources with those skills, or even the most rudimentary form of the kind
00:44:27.400of guild you're speaking of, that means that we can hire our own.
00:44:32.040We can hire people who, you know, share our values to do those things.
00:44:38.280There's never a point where carpenters or plumbers or electricians are not wanted and
00:47:30.980And that's where I come from too on it.
00:47:32.740I'm a practitioner of jiu-jitsu myself.
00:47:35.600got my got my brown belt i'm excited i just got a stripe taken off of that so
00:47:40.320yeah we come from a similar mindset on that congratulations by the way thank you i i uh
00:47:46.480i own a fifth don in a kobudo system so nice yeah yeah i've been at it a long time
00:47:53.520um all right the last one we've got about five minutes the life is good principle
00:47:58.800all right so this sums it up really nicely it's a fundamental difference between
00:48:03.160also true and a lot of eastern faiths and a lot of depending on your interpretation of abrahamic
00:48:08.920faiths the focus of also true isn't the next world and it isn't that this world is a world
00:48:15.320of suffering or a world of badness this world's good this world's beautiful it's filled with
00:48:21.560amazing things and amazing opportunities we want to make the best of our life in this world
00:48:27.640getting the most out of it doing the most with our facility with what we have building the most
00:48:34.600fame and reputation and the best future we can for our children but we want to celebrate and enjoy
00:48:41.080the art of living a good life now we want a good life in the future after this too of course
00:48:47.160but we're not living for that we're living to do the best with the time we find ourselves in
00:48:52.440Yeah, I think that's certainly a noble pursuit. I don't see anything wrong with that, though. You're right. Some of those in Abrahamic faith, Christianity, since I understand it most, there does tend to be a rejection of the good that is in this world because they, and it's inadvertent because they reject the negative that's in this world, and that's a shame.
00:49:22.440Matthew, is there anything else that you would like to tell our listeners that we haven't covered?