Asatru Folk Assembly - Matt Flavel on Expedition Truth September 2021

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00:00:45.780 Hope you had a good week. Welcome to the program. I think you're going to like the discussion tonight.

00:00:51.380 I wanted to have my guest back on because I think that a lot of people have a really misunderstanding regarding the ethics and morals of indigenous peoples, specifically the indigenous peoples of Western Europe.

00:01:15.760 and within their native religions.

00:01:22.900 And that's due in large part to Christianity's,

00:01:27.800 to be quite honest, there's some propaganda out there

00:01:31.080 that missionaries put forth over many, many years

00:01:35.400 that these people lacked morals and ethics and values, etc.

00:01:41.480 And I think a careful study of history

00:01:44.740 demonstrates that that's not so.

00:01:49.380 And I think it's a bit of an unfair approach 0.99

00:01:52.460 to any sort of dialogue that Christians would have 0.99

00:01:58.540 with people who adhere to those indigenous religions.

00:02:03.380 My guest is a returning guest,

00:02:05.740 and he's successfully been leading the Alshatri Folk Assembly

00:02:09.600 through its brightest era to date since mid-summer 2016.

00:02:14.400 He's opened two offs under his leadership, one in North Carolina and one in Minnesota.

00:02:20.820 Along with one in California, those temples stand as the first of their kind

00:02:25.460 dedicated to the Aesir in North America.

00:02:29.480 With him at the helm, the AFA has boasted not only a drastic increase in membership numbers,

00:02:36.340 but also the number and quality of national events throughout the United States and Europe,

00:02:40.440 giving folkish Al-Shutru opportunities to gather in worship of their gods

00:02:47.140 and fellowship with communities where there had been none before.

00:02:50.740 You might recognize him from the last program we did on Al-Shutru.

00:02:56.580 My guest tonight is Matthew Flavel.

00:02:59.440 Matthew, welcome to the program.

00:03:01.940 Hey, it's good to be here.

00:03:03.340 Thank you so much for having me back on the show.

00:03:05.740 Thank you for coming back.

00:03:07.020 I enjoyed our last discussion, and I think it was very informative.

00:03:12.900 And so I wanted to do this one.

00:03:15.280 You heard my opening spiel there.

00:03:19.180 I think there is some unfair critique running around out there.

00:03:28.440 Most of it, based on antiquated information, is not likely very accurate.

00:03:34.880 it. And so I wanted to have you on to talk about the ethics of your faith. Would you

00:03:47.080 agree with me that there are some misunderstandings out there, even to this day?

00:03:54.100 Absolutely. And I think you were spot on that a lot of that had to do with early Christian

00:03:59.020 missionary work. What I thought was kind of interesting to note, you know, you use the

00:04:03.260 term antiquated but in the times of antiquity uh tacitus a roman writer wrote about uh germanic

00:04:11.340 pagans of the time to point out the fact that they had you know noteworthy ethics and that you know

00:04:18.700 at the time their ethics were often superior to that in the empire so that would mean that

00:04:24.300 much of what we hear about them is just outright

00:04:28.940 wrong. I would say so, and I think that's

00:04:33.160 probably what any group of people does when they take over an area. You mentioned

00:04:37.220 the propaganda, and I think everybody's guilty of that to one degree or another.

00:04:41.000 True, yeah, the victor writes history, and in this 0.95

00:04:45.340 case, Christianity was the victor, and 0.74

00:04:48.160 history was written from that perspective, and

00:04:51.820 you know sometimes was exaggerated and this is one of those times when it was clearly exaggerated

00:04:57.740 now what i did matthew as i went to your website runestone.org for listeners who are interested

00:05:05.700 and i noticed you have a statement of ethics there and what i'd like you to do

00:05:10.980 is go through each of these these statements and just explain to me how they look in practical

00:05:19.140 terms.

00:05:20.880 And so the first one is

00:05:23.200 the Aesir and Vanir principle. 0.95

00:05:27.580 Okay, well

00:05:29.080 basically we

00:05:32.960 worship our gods and

00:05:34.840 goddesses under

00:05:36.760 their Germanic names,

00:05:39.240 the two tribes, the Aesir and the Vanir.

00:05:44.860 That principle is number one because

00:05:47.120 our worship of our gods is is at the very forefront of what we do and how we how we define our ethics

00:05:53.280 and how we define uh our practice because our gods are watching and we want them at all times

00:05:58.720 to be proud of us and proud of the work we do one of the one of the words used in in the explanation

00:06:05.600 on the website is honor what does honor mean to you so honor's got kind of a dual meaning

00:06:12.560 it's developed in society to where you know the kind of understood meaning is your personal code

00:06:18.560 of of dignity of right and wrong and you know those things that you value personally but

00:06:24.480 originally the term meant um the value that your community placed on you you would receive an honor

00:06:31.840 like when you get an award sometime today they'll still use that term you've received an honor you've

00:06:36.560 been honored by so it's your personal value due to your character to yourself and to your community

00:06:45.600 and those who know you now there's a western european principle honor used to extend to one's

00:06:55.680 personal reputation the reputation of their family their loved ones um would you say the

00:07:01.760 same thing you you maintain that traditional understanding absolutely and that idea of

00:07:06.800 reputation is so important we live in a time where so many people you know suggest that you

00:07:11.120 shouldn't care what other people think and i think we should supremely care what other people think

00:07:15.520 not that that should rule what we do but we should care what our friends think of us we should care

00:07:19.600 what our enemies think of us we should above all care what our families and what our gods and

00:07:24.640 ancestors think of us. Yeah, I think one of the illnesses of postmodern Western society is the

00:07:34.640 fact that there is no real honor. It has been tossed aside. And so we live in a society where

00:07:42.400 someone can cast the most egregious aspersions on your person, on your spouse, your children,

00:07:51.520 your family, your heritage, and do so without any thought of responsibility for that. And

00:08:03.280 we're just supposed to take it, you know, back, you're very aware back in, you know,

00:08:10.800 only 100 years ago or so, if you had done that, somebody would take you out to a duel.

00:08:15.760 and you would have to defend what your mouth spoke.

00:08:21.280 And so people were less likely to shoot their mouths off.

00:08:27.540 I mean, do you think that there's something to honor in modern society

00:08:32.220 that needs to recapture at least the fervor that was once there?

00:08:39.420 Absolutely.

00:08:40.060 Absolutely. And I think one of the problems is, you know, the path that civilization has taken is kind of taking anybody's ability to stand for their honor in a combative way out of their hands.

00:08:52.200 You know, just 30 years ago, if you said certain things, you'd get popped in the mouth and that was completely acceptable.

00:08:57.380 It's not so much today. And I don't really advocate for a more violent society, but I certainly wish we were in a place where our words carried weight, where we said less of them and thought more about the ones that we say.

00:09:10.060 uh you mentioned earlier it's very very little thought very little consequence to people saying

00:09:14.860 some of the most horrendous things about a person about their beliefs about their family

00:09:19.420 and there's very little we can do that fixes that in the verbal arena but one thing that you can't

00:09:26.540 out-civilize reality and that's part of the thing if you're a person who has honor and dignity

00:09:32.060 especially because words are as cheap as they are today

00:09:34.940 people tend to people tend to internalize that and internalize who you are more

00:09:42.460 um you know in spite of criticisms if you shine with example and you obviously carry yourself

00:09:50.520 with a certain amount of dignity a lot of those criticisms matter less than they would have

00:09:55.240 you know years ago yeah i i didn't mean to suggest that uh that you believe we should be

00:10:02.320 oh yeah of course more violent society my thinking is that uh at least in those in those days there

00:10:09.760 was a threat of violence if you shot your mouth off and so you were more careful in your choice

00:10:16.720 of words and i think that that um that made for a more civil society overall certainly it did when

00:10:24.640 you had boundaries that you know there was a consequence to crossing that matter we see that

00:10:29.840 in this day and age now when everyone's so removed on computer on the computer on

00:10:33.760 on the screen you can type the most horrendous things to someone that you'd never say to their

00:10:38.720 face and it's not because you're scared they beat you up that may factor in but you have to look at

00:10:44.560 someone in the eye and see the effect your words have on them and most people don't want to do

00:10:50.000 that but they're very bold when they're across a computer screen or you know talking over the

00:10:54.480 internet yeah social media is a is a poison that's for sure let's uh let's jump to a point

00:11:01.360 two there the folk community principle um yeah so basically um individuality is really important

00:11:10.880 it's great to have really strong individuals but it's supremely important and always was to our

00:11:16.080 ancestors to be a functional part of your community life lived in a context in a community in a

00:11:23.840 a community of people like yourself is at the very heart of you know what we believe the value in

00:11:30.480 existence is your relationship to other people um so much of our faith is based on our relationship

00:11:35.440 with our gods in that community but to our ancestors that was very holistic to to your

00:11:40.640 tribe to your family to uh you know the people that you had to work with or you had to go to

00:11:46.400 battle with, having that sense of community, it's often called the kin sense in Ausatru,

00:11:53.920 is essential to how we practice and how we define ourselves as the role we play in that community.

00:11:59.600 Now you mentioned in this point that you must work to make justice and law rule.

00:12:07.920 What do those two words mean within the context of Ausatru?

00:12:12.080 um well one of our one of our noble virtues is truth and the idea of dealing with things

00:12:19.760 fairly i think especially when you talk about the ideas of justice and law

00:12:24.560 if you're in a position to have power to enforce things it's even more incumbent upon you to do so

00:12:33.360 judiciously and fairly um our people have always been a people of order i think there's a hollywood

00:12:39.760 image of of these anarchist vikings and that's that's not what uh european paganism was ever

00:12:45.600 about it was about making order from chaos so doing what we can in a reasonable way within

00:12:51.680 our power to ensure that people are treated fairly people are out of fair standards that

00:12:56.800 laws and rules are respected and uh and people abide by those and aren't lawless

00:13:02.560 Now, you also mentioned in this point that it's incumbent upon you to work for a better

00:13:10.960 tomorrow, a brighter future for your children. Given how really disordered

00:13:22.320 modern society is, how does that work out in practical terms for members of your faith?

00:13:30.480 there's kind of two different avenues on that also within this community principle is the idea of

00:13:35.760 being good neighbors and being helpful worthwhile members that are doing something to make your

00:13:40.000 community better we've tried very hard at all three of our hofs so far to be involved in food

00:13:45.600 distribution and other charity in the communities that we're in because it's very hard to access 1.00

00:13:51.760 these big you know you mentioned all the macro problems out there of the disordered society 0.99

00:13:57.200 but if we're giving out some food we make somebody's day a little bit better we make 1.00

00:14:02.000 somebody's family a little bit better we can start there and work from it um internally with

00:14:08.400 all of the problems out there in society and all of the disorder we have the opera there's so much

00:14:13.200 out there that can be very daunting to to face and to realize and we don't have control over

00:14:18.960 at least not in a direct way but we do have control over is our brothers and sisters in

00:14:23.680 in the AstroFolk Assembly.

00:14:25.560 And by pooling our resources

00:14:27.000 and focusing on the things that we can do

00:14:30.260 and not all the things that we can't,

00:14:32.500 we're able to accomplish a lot of things.

00:14:34.640 In 2020, when everyone was hunkered down

00:14:37.160 and a lot of people didn't get to go

00:14:40.180 and practice their faith

00:14:41.740 because of the reaction to the COVID thing,

00:14:45.640 we had our best year ever.

00:14:47.020 We acquired two new temples to our gods.

00:14:49.400 We had our largest gathering ever.

00:14:51.620 And we're able to do that

00:14:52.600 because we work together as a community.

00:14:54.280 We built that future within the husk

00:14:56.960 of the things that are decaying around us.

00:15:00.140 You mentioned doing things as simple

00:15:03.620 as giving someone food, et cetera.

00:15:05.700 Is there a program within the assembly

00:15:08.960 whereby you maybe have a storehouse,

00:15:12.840 something like that,

00:15:13.860 in case of emergencies for members of the faith?

00:15:17.120 We do.

00:15:18.220 So we've got a couple of things.

00:15:19.440 Having actual physical locations,

00:15:22.020 which we've only had for a little bit over six years now allows us to do that on site so we can

00:15:28.020 store some supplies certainly we monthly do uh food giveaways to members of the community

00:15:35.300 but we also have food for members of our community that you know find themselves on hard times the

00:15:40.500 other thing we have is the uh folk services program within the afa and if you're a member of

00:15:46.500 the afa family if you're a member or you you know your family needs help and you know natural

00:15:51.620 disaster happens you lose your job or something comes that way we've got a lot of very generous

00:15:56.580 people that have donated of themselves to where we've got a fund to to help those families make

00:16:01.380 it through you know we can't necessarily buy them a new house or whatever but we can put them up for

00:16:05.940 a few nights we can make sure their their kids have a meal we can we can do what we can to take

00:16:10.900 care of them right right meet the immediate needs yeah it's yeah i think matthew to be quite honest

00:16:17.780 i think a lot of people and let me be specific i think a lot of christians are probably surprised

00:16:24.660 by that because uh they they tend not to think of of uh other faiths doing such things you know

00:16:33.860 outside of the uh avrahamic faith well you know i think that's probably true and i'm glad you've

00:16:40.260 given me an opportunity today to to shed some light on it i think you know whenever people

00:16:44.660 don't know nature abhors a vacuum and if you don't know something you can't help but make assumptions

00:16:50.340 so i'm i'm glad for that you know one of the really important things about ossiture as opposed

00:16:56.180 to some other faiths is it's very much based around doing and accomplishing we part of our

00:17:03.460 relationship with our gods and part of what we talked about about honor earlier was we want our

00:17:09.060 gods to be proud of us and they're proud of us through what we do what we accomplish not what

00:17:14.260 we think not what we would like not through faith per se but through action and through our deeds

00:17:20.900 so it's really important for us to do good deeds and to earn reputation through action

00:17:27.220 okay the the next one is the ancestry principle

00:17:30.820 so it's fundamental to our relationship with i guess in the broadest sense we practice

00:17:43.780 ancestor worship and that leads eventually to our ultimate ancestors which are the gods themselves

00:17:51.060 so respecting our roots respecting who we are where we come from and the things that have gone

00:17:57.780 into making that happen all of the countless lives that have been lived to secure a future for us

00:18:07.380 if you know our grandparents hadn't had made it through the great depression we wouldn't be here

00:18:12.500 if their parents hadn't made it through any of the famines of that time we wouldn't be here if

00:18:17.620 people hadn't fought and worked and built for us to have what we have we wouldn't be here so taking

00:18:23.380 appreciating that and appreciating that common heritage and celebrating it and keeping it

00:18:29.300 alive and vibrant is very important to us yeah yeah i would agree with you 100 um anything good

00:18:36.500 that we possess today is the result of the blood sweat and tears of our ancestors and i think to

00:18:44.500 squander that is an insult um to our to our ancestors to our heritage um it's one of the most

00:18:57.220 i think disgusting things in post-modern culture is that there is no respect for our ancestors 0.91

00:19:06.420 And again, I think unfortunately Christianity has gone way too far and I guess the best

00:19:20.780 way to put it is an almost Gnostic dualist approach to the world such that it has rejected 0.69

00:19:32.880 at least on practical terms, the same kind of honored ancestors that you're talking about?

00:19:39.600 Well, something else that I think is important to mention during this and while we're here is

00:19:44.720 often, even in Ausitru, we're very comfortable when someone dies or thinking about, you know,

00:19:50.160 generations past, putting up a picture, lighting a candle, lighting some incense and honoring and

00:19:55.440 celebrating our ancestors. Yet many of us have grandparents that are still alive that we won't

00:20:01.840 call or make any attempt to to have a successful relationship with that's really unfortunate i

00:20:08.400 think respecting your elders especially those that are kin to you is foundational if you're

00:20:15.920 going to honor your ancestors so i wish people had more respect for their elders in this day and age

00:20:20.000 as well yeah i would agree with 100 i mean how many people shuttle their parents off to

00:20:25.760 elder care facilities because they don't want to be burdened. I think it's sad. I grew up in a home

00:20:32.980 with my great-grandmother who was bedridden, my grandmother, my great-uncle. I mean,

00:20:38.800 there were generations of us in the same home, and nobody was ever shuttled off to an elder

00:20:45.660 care facility. The only time I remember my great-grandmother ever leaving the house was

00:20:51.600 when she had a doctor's appointment other than that you know she was cared

00:20:57.360 for by the family and I think that's been lost and it's it's unfortunate so

00:21:06.360 again I have to agree with the ancestry principle on that does does the folk

00:21:14.700 assembly have plans perhaps in the future of of maybe uh if need arises having something like that

00:21:22.940 to to make sure that the elderly are cared for who maybe don't have family i think plans may

00:21:29.660 be unfairly ambitious but dreams absolutely that's something that i know personally i've

00:21:34.060 talked about for years with people we'd love to have a spot one day where the elders avows are

00:21:40.940 true because a lot of time it's sad you'll find these elderly that have spent their life building

00:21:46.140 something often spent their life building the outstreet folk assembly that we have and they'll

00:21:49.980 find themselves in their later years without family impoverished and not with a lot to take

00:21:55.500 care of them we do the best we can but i'd love to have a place where those people could go to

00:21:59.980 and be cared for in you know in their golden years and i'd really love to see that happen

00:22:05.180 Yeah, yeah. I think it would be a good thing because they are an important resource. Because it is true that with age comes wisdom. When I was 20, I probably didn't believe that.

00:22:19.000 But many, many years later in my 50s, I do recognize the wisdom of my great uncle, for example, who I, when I was a teenager, I thought he was just a grumpy old guy.

00:22:36.040 Now I look back and, yeah, he had some grumpy tendencies, but he also had a lot of wisdom to share as well.

00:22:43.960 So, yeah, I hope you can do something like that.

00:22:48.280 uh i think it would be beneficial um when when we come back because we're going to take a break

00:22:56.680 here when we come back we're going to hit a principle that i think is going to really hit home

00:23:02.280 regarding some of the modern issues as well specifically abortion so we'll be back with

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00:27:48.360 with Matthew Flavo. He is the leader of the Alchitri Folk Assembly. Before we get back

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00:29:00.280 Patreon. So let's get back into the discussion here. Matthew, the next point I think is one of

00:29:11.840 the most important, in my mind anyway, and that is the family principle. So there's a lot packed

00:29:21.060 into this one or certainly the implications of it uh reach into a lot of different aspects of things

00:29:27.140 now this one if you read the website we make a point of special of specifying the white family

00:29:32.340 and we've taken some heat for that and it wasn't to be provocative it was to address some clarity

00:29:38.580 um i think that we've seen a forced i think we've noticed a lot in advertisement i'd say last year

00:29:48.100 to two years but we've seen it for a lot longer than that that you can't have a healthy white 0.80

00:29:54.740 family displayed on a commercial anymore it's always an interracial family or a homosexual

00:30:02.340 relationship and it's not by happenstance it's being pushed on us so we really want to take a 0.76

00:30:10.500 stand against that being forced on us and that future being forced on our children

00:30:15.220 um and this this goes through a lot of things those that that haven't read it it talks about

00:30:21.080 how the family principle we want to have kids and grandkids that grow up and you know are

00:30:27.080 recognizable to us and that make more of us in the future so that we can be their ancestors

00:30:32.900 all these principles kind of go together but this one very specifically we want to foster

00:30:39.240 healthy families and we've watched in our society that really change we've watched a lot of people

00:30:48.040 through whatever propaganda choose not to have families until later than later in life and by

00:30:54.600 the time they decide to do that it's too late for a lot of folks so we have a lot less children um

00:31:01.320 you mentioned earlier before the break there is you know there was a time where abortion was

00:31:07.400 universally a bad thing and you had a camp of people that said never and you had a camp of

00:31:12.760 people that said under some really bad circumstances it's the lesser of two evils

00:31:18.840 now we have people openly when new york passed their abortion law last year we had people openly

00:31:24.600 in the streets celebrating infanticide and that shocked me to my core i knew things were bad but

00:31:33.160 that was very shocking to me i tell you matthew what shocked me is i read an article

00:31:39.400 by an abortion advocate who was literally advocating the

00:31:46.040 they called it abortion but it's the murder of children up to the age of seven

00:31:53.000 uh i i was stunned that somebody could publish this sort of genocidal insanity and be lauded for

00:32:07.000 it as this woman was it just stuns me and what you say about the the the progressive attack

00:32:18.040 on the white community i think it's true i i don't think you know you don't have to be

00:32:24.600 uh a part of the alt-right or uh you know they love to toss out the word

00:32:31.240 nazi you don't have to be any of these things to to recognize that there is a lot of propaganda

00:32:39.160 out there that is very much anti-white um you know this uh critical race theory is one of the most

00:32:47.880 disgusting things i've ever seen in my life there is nothing redeemable in uh in critical race theory 0.96

00:32:59.240 as far as white people are concerned they they blame white people for everything white people 0.95

00:33:05.880 cannot be good people uh it is it is a genocidal uh eugenics based hate theory and and somebody 0.88

00:33:18.040 like you who steps up and says well you know we don't hate you but we don't hate ourselves either 0.59

00:33:25.080 uh for some reason you're you're suddenly shouted down as oh look it's a neo-nazi and i think it's 0.54

00:33:31.400 just sickening well it is sickening and one of the results of it i mean all of the things on

00:33:37.080 the face of it that are obviously bad but the suicide rates have increased dramatically amongst

00:33:43.400 our young people and imagine you're you're a young white boy or girl in school and you're

00:33:48.920 being taught from the earliest ages in public school that everything bad in this world is your

00:33:55.960 fault and you have to take special classes on self-loathing to get out of school that are

00:34:02.980 required i can't even imagine what that does you know we've understood as a society for decades

00:34:09.820 now that children's self-esteem is so important when they start life and with their outlook on

00:34:14.500 life we used to tell our kids they could be anything they wanted to be when they grew up 0.93

00:34:18.020 and now we say that unless you're white and that's a horrible thing to start kids with 0.94

00:34:24.560 Absolutely. Absolutely. I know of two cases right now where two boys, one was in middle school, one high school, because of critical race theory being taught in his classroom. 0.99

00:34:39.100 Both of those boys committed suicide.

00:34:42.620 It was directly linked to what they were being told.

00:34:45.880 They could not handle the guilt.

00:34:48.280 they had been pushed into self-hatred 0.98

00:34:53.320 and any Christian who would defend that 0.92

00:34:56.960 is out of their minds as well

00:34:58.440 self-hatred in my opinion

00:35:00.400 in Christian theology would be a sin

00:35:04.880 and I don't know what word you would use for it 1.00

00:35:09.860 but I'm sure it's just as grave

00:35:12.420 so I don't have any problem at all

00:35:16.720 with the family principle and i can't see how any thinking person would there's nothing negative in

00:35:22.880 it there's nothing there that says uh oh and by the way we hate fill in the blank with whatever

00:35:29.760 ethnic group you want that's not there and i think it's unfair to uh claim that that is the position

00:35:37.760 of our true folk assembly just so i can get that out there well thank you for that first and i think

00:35:43.200 you hit on something really important i don't think any thinking person does think it's bad

00:35:47.280 i think people don't think people react and when you've taught them these trigger words that you

00:35:52.720 should react to there's a knee-jerk response and i think a lot of people react and anybody

00:35:58.720 who actually read it slowly to themselves would have a hard time finding a problem with it

00:36:04.560 and the next principle is the organization principle before you answer you know you go

00:36:09.840 into that um we have a question from the chat room from it looks like george joseph um where

00:36:19.520 would you like to see the afa a year from now matt considering we've come so far in such an

00:36:24.400 expedited time i'm curious what your ambitions are uh within the next year i would like to see

00:36:32.080 us have our fourth half we're actually working on that very hard right now and i think that's

00:36:36.480 a very doable thing in the next year um i want to see us beef up our membership in certain places

00:36:42.640 certainly internationally uh things with covid have made it harder for our people to get together

00:36:47.040 in other countries we think we have it bad here in the united states but our members in south

00:36:51.360 africa and in australia and new zealand have had it much harder as far as being able to organize

00:36:56.080 and get together so i'd like to really shore up our international afa kindreds and communities

00:37:02.560 um i'd like to do more shows like this i've been getting a number of interview requests lately and

00:37:09.960 i'd like to get it out there these are excellent opportunities to to put a face on who we are what

00:37:15.000 we do and and what we actually believe in so i'd like to see that like i said i'd like to see that

00:37:20.080 next off come in and uh we're also working on an afa homeschool program i'd like to see at least

00:37:27.580 a couple of years of early childhood homeschooling

00:37:31.180 lockdown. Right now we've got a pretty good situation for kindergarten

00:37:35.260 but we're kind of working our way up through the grades, something that works in

00:37:39.560 all states in the United States. It's hard to make it compliant. Other places

00:37:43.560 don't even allow homeschool some places. But we want to have that

00:37:47.720 squared away. Yeah, I think

00:37:51.620 those are the big ones we're working on right now. Yeah, homeschooling is

00:37:54.960 I mean, that's just, I think, considering where we are today, culturally, I think that's a must.

00:38:04.320 I don't even think that should be considered optional anymore.

00:38:09.600 I think it's an absolute must because otherwise your kids are being propagandized with self-hate, with leftist neo-Marxist propaganda. 0.82

00:38:20.120 I mean, it's a disgusting, disgusting state of affairs. 0.89

00:38:22.920 It hurts to say that. 0.58

00:38:24.340 my mom was a school teacher her entire life she taught first grade mostly occasionally a

00:38:29.460 kindergarten class or a second grade but mostly first grade she loved being a teacher and now 0.88

00:38:35.380 there's there's no scenario where i can imagine putting my daughter into a into a public school

00:38:41.220 um and i don't want to shame anybody that that's not an economic reality for

00:38:45.620 but you know i encourage anybody no matter what your faith is if there is a way to homeschool

00:38:50.660 your children they are precious please do that if you can absolutely get them out of public schools

00:38:58.420 okay that's this organization principle can you explain a little bit about that uh yeah we get

00:39:03.380 stuff done when we work together um it's very easy to get overcome with individualism and be

00:39:09.700 hard-headed and i don't need to listen to nobody it's a very common attitude in the west today

00:39:15.860 but it makes us weak and it makes us ineffectual when we work together as a team when we cooperate

00:39:21.960 when we respect hierarchy we can actually make accomplishments and we've certainly seen that in

00:39:27.120 the afa the more unified we've been in showing support and respect to our leaders and working

00:39:34.100 together even if you know if our people love to be fractious so if you've got if we're in 95%

00:39:40.940 agreement but we got five things you know five percent we disagree on we'll focus on that instead

00:39:45.660 of the 95 commonality that we can build really beautiful and effective things on so working

00:39:53.180 together to accomplish i'd say is the core of that principle yeah i i like that i wrote an article on

00:39:59.900 that a few years back and in it i actually explained why the rugged individualism has

00:40:09.500 become a problem. And that without community, we're less effective. And spiritually speaking,

00:40:21.580 our experience of the world and our spiritual experience, it's all shared. And we are closer to

00:40:33.980 to God, the divine, I guess you would say the Aesir, as a community than individually,

00:40:44.220 I think.

00:40:45.220 Is that close to what you would say?

00:40:48.420 Absolutely.

00:40:50.460 And I think we see this in the West in general, this individualism, but I don't, you know,

00:40:57.080 I'm not going to be so presumptuous to say that the gods don't listen when you approach

00:41:00.700 them individually but i can only imagine they would listen so much more when a group of 50 of

00:41:06.780 us or 100 of us are standing together united as a family worshiping the gods um and i really

00:41:13.740 believe that when we engage in worship as a community it's so much more powerful something

00:41:18.940 happens in a spiritual context in a sacred place when you're you're worth more than the sum of

00:41:25.820 your parts it's more than all of those individuals standing together that togetherness amplifies

00:41:32.060 amplifies that connection it amplifies what you're doing yeah i mean if if we believe that the family

00:41:37.340 is of divine origin and i do then that that extended family is also of divine origin and

00:41:45.420 it meets its created end uh when it is it is uh it gathers together as a community and works

00:41:52.780 together as a community. That's just my thinking. Okay, the next point is the personal excellence

00:41:59.680 principle. So kind of what we've been saying all along, but this makes it real specific. We want

00:42:06.320 to achieve. We want to do more. We want to be more. Our community is only stronger and better

00:42:11.600 when it's made up of better people. The better I am, the more capable, the stronger, faster,

00:42:17.800 smarter wiser wealthier i am the better i can help the guy next to me get there the better we can help

00:42:25.480 each other overcome if we're all doing our best to tomorrow be a little bit better than we are today

00:42:32.520 you know i was looking at this principle here and you you mentioned um several pursuits knowledge

00:42:39.720 wealth there's one that really stuck out to me the practice of skill

00:42:45.800 um and that one stuck out to me because of this you know the pursuit of knowledge

00:42:51.080 i'm certainly not going to say we shouldn't i'm college educated myself but our colleges are

00:42:58.360 are really they are as well um propaganda arms of of the leftist agenda and um so we have to

00:43:09.000 be careful with that um but the practice of skill i've often thought it would be a good thing if we

00:43:17.480 had like trade guilds you know of the past where people could learn this trade uh whether it be

00:43:25.960 metal work uh you know what have you and they they give a certain number of years to learning

00:43:32.840 the trade and then they could go on and and and do it on their own do you think there's something

00:43:38.520 like that in the future for the assembly well i'd love to see that and one of our problems right now

00:43:44.360 is proximity just having enough people who share a common skill in a common location to make more

00:43:50.920 of that feasible but we already see our people working together one thing that i've seen a lot

00:43:56.040 lately just kind of at random is folks that weld we have welders and metal workers within the afa

00:44:01.960 that communicate together that talk about training programs together that pool their resources and

00:44:07.480 And the more we have skilled people, the more we can, you know, we're in a cancel culture to where if you practice wrong think, employment can become more difficult.

00:44:16.860 Well, when you have a marketable skill like this, you are way more employable, and when

00:44:21.780 we pool our resources with those skills, or even the most rudimentary form of the kind

00:44:27.400 of guild you're speaking of, that means that we can hire our own.

00:44:32.040 We can hire people who, you know, share our values to do those things.

00:44:38.280 There's never a point where carpenters or plumbers or electricians are not wanted and

00:44:42.740 not valuable.

00:44:43.740 They're of supreme value in our society.

00:44:46.100 with health health care workers for that matter nursing you'll have a job anywhere you want to go

00:44:49.700 if you've got uh if you've got the skill of nursing yeah and i think i think if uh

00:44:57.140 if things keep progressing the way they are um people are going to have to form self-sufficient

00:45:04.820 communities um i i think we may be getting to that point now and those kinds of skills

00:45:11.780 are going to be of of vast importance um so we've only got uh probably six seven minutes left in the

00:45:21.860 show and we've got three more points here i want to get through honor your oath principle um that

00:45:28.580 one seems pretty straightforward uh don't take your don't enter into an oath lightly i mean it

00:45:34.980 should be pretty straightforward but unfortunately today people are not men of honor so their oath

00:45:41.300 usually means a little what should be i'll say this make less commitments and hold to the

00:45:46.180 commitments that you make dearly be a man of your word and that's you know it's self-explanatory

00:45:52.260 other than that yeah yeah uh the warrior principle so this one often is easy to misinterpret and

00:46:00.900 you know this isn't a call to illegality or any kind of action that way what it is

00:46:06.820 well no because i've had interviewers try to pin me on that not at all it's a call to use your

00:46:12.820 resources to the best of your ability to stand up for yourself and stand up for the things you

00:46:17.700 believe in rather than to roll over and go with the tide of group think that goes on in the world

00:46:24.180 today to stand up to use your voice to use the legal system if you need to to use your funds

00:46:30.180 to use your wits to stand up and be willing to fight for yourself um we've been told to lay

00:46:36.340 down and be completely passive and uh i think the quit you know the best way to get people to stop

00:46:42.340 walking over you is stand up for yourself when you stand up to bullies very often that corrects

00:46:48.900 that problem so when it's within our power and within our skills to stand up and advocate for

00:46:53.620 ourselves and our interests we should do that unabashedly yeah you know when i read the warrior

00:46:59.620 principle i'm a martial artist of almost 40 years so i didn't think violence at all because

00:47:06.340 In my training of that almost 40 years in a Japanese martial art,

00:47:13.620 guardianship never equaled violence, never equaled illegality.

00:47:21.020 It was equated with honor, respect, truthfulness, justice.

00:47:26.720 And that's pretty much what you're saying.

00:47:30.320 Absolutely.

00:47:30.980 And that's where I come from too on it.

00:47:32.740 I'm a practitioner of jiu-jitsu myself.

00:47:35.600 got my got my brown belt i'm excited i just got a stripe taken off of that so

00:47:40.320 yeah we come from a similar mindset on that congratulations by the way thank you i i uh

00:47:46.480 i own a fifth don in a kobudo system so nice yeah yeah i've been at it a long time

00:47:53.520 um all right the last one we've got about five minutes the life is good principle

00:47:58.800 all right so this sums it up really nicely it's a fundamental difference between

00:48:03.160 also true and a lot of eastern faiths and a lot of depending on your interpretation of abrahamic

00:48:08.920 faiths the focus of also true isn't the next world and it isn't that this world is a world

00:48:15.320 of suffering or a world of badness this world's good this world's beautiful it's filled with

00:48:21.560 amazing things and amazing opportunities we want to make the best of our life in this world

00:48:27.640 getting the most out of it doing the most with our facility with what we have building the most

00:48:34.600 fame and reputation and the best future we can for our children but we want to celebrate and enjoy

00:48:41.080 the art of living a good life now we want a good life in the future after this too of course

00:48:47.160 but we're not living for that we're living to do the best with the time we find ourselves in

00:48:52.440 Yeah, I think that's certainly a noble pursuit. I don't see anything wrong with that, though. You're right. Some of those in Abrahamic faith, Christianity, since I understand it most, there does tend to be a rejection of the good that is in this world because they, and it's inadvertent because they reject the negative that's in this world, and that's a shame.

00:49:22.440 Matthew, is there anything else that you would like to tell our listeners that we haven't covered?

00:49:27.140 We've got about three minutes left.

00:49:29.800 You know, if this is something that's remotely interested to you,

00:49:33.920 and you find yourself of this background, of European background,

00:49:38.060 looking into the AstroFolk Assembly, looking into AstroTru in general,

00:49:41.320 I'd really encourage you guys to do it.

00:49:42.920 It's something that so many of our people describe as coming home,

00:49:46.820 because it's not embracing a new way of looking at the world.

00:49:49.840 it's re-embracing the way of looking at the world that's very natural to who you are and to where

00:49:56.100 you come from so given that a fair shake and i'd say the easiest step to do that is by making that

00:50:03.800 connection with your ancestors and the connection with the gods can come after that but the

00:50:08.560 connection with your ancestors who you know for a fact lived and died that you would be here

00:50:13.240 that's a really good place to start

00:50:15.840 and if listeners are interested

00:50:18.840 you can go to runestone.org

00:50:21.160 and that is the website of the

00:50:23.880 Alshatru Folk Assembly

00:50:25.180 you'll find this statement of ethics there

00:50:28.140 you'll find a whole lot of information there

00:50:29.960 that I think will be educational

00:50:32.960 helpful for you to understand

00:50:34.780 the Alshatru faith

00:50:37.580 and Matthew I really appreciate you

00:50:40.240 coming on again tonight

00:50:41.300 i hope we've uh served to dispel some of the misunderstandings out there and i i hope you've

00:50:48.980 you felt welcome and uh and well represented you guys are fantastic i love doing these shows with

00:50:56.340 you and and it's been an honor to be here well it's an honor to talk with you and as i told you

00:51:01.060 during the break uh you know if if you ever want to come on the show there's something that you

00:51:05.540 would like to address something you would like to talk about that we haven't discussed or we didn't

00:51:12.660 discuss deeply enough for your satisfaction then let me know and i'll get you on that schedule

00:51:18.260 sounds great you guys have a good night you too matthew thanks for being here

00:51:22.660 and for us here at expedition truth that's it god bless good night

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Asatru Folk Assembly - September 24, 2021

Matt Flavel on Expedition Truth September 2021

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