00:02:56.740and also to make sure that everything functions the way it should
00:03:00.200and that we can move forward with our mission in the best possible way
00:03:03.560that brings honor to our ancestors, our folk, and our gods.
00:03:07.320So you're basically the pulp. I mean, Pope.
00:03:12.860Some people may say that. I don't say that.
00:03:15.580i'm also assisted by the uh the witten which is derived from an old english word but it's
00:03:22.280basically a council of wise men it's a a group of afa elders that that advise me and help me
00:03:28.680with the important responsibility running astropholk assembly and i'm very lucky to have
00:03:32.980those guys by my side they're here awesome um do you want to take a minute and just um and just
00:03:41.680describe a little bit about the main activities of the Asset True Folk Assembly and how it can
00:03:49.680work for and benefit people who are interested in the old ways and customs?
00:03:56.620Sure. There's a lot of things that the AFA does. As our ancestors looked at our faith,
00:04:02.820it wasn't just, you know, something people did on Sundays. Asset True was much more than just
00:04:08.180religious system was a way of life so the afa and in keeping with that mission got a great many
00:04:14.180things we do but the thing we focused on and do best is real world outs of true and uh you know
00:04:21.740a lot of other groups are primarily online and we try to make sure that we you know have a good
00:04:26.660online presence but the thing that separates us is we we really try to have folk interact in person
00:04:32.220And I'm really proud to say that every week around the country, I get notifications of, you know, four or five, six different groups of Austro Folk Assembly members getting together, you know, at pub moots or bloats or, you know, different gatherings to celebrate our gods and our ancestors.
00:04:49.580that's really something special we do as a as a national organization we're able to have
00:04:54.300a unified message and basic understanding and basic belief structure across the world and
00:05:02.280certainly across the united states one of the things that we do as an organization that's
00:05:07.080helpful to people that may want to be involved is we connect people with others we get together in
00:05:12.460groups and we actually practice ausiture we don't spend a lot of time online debating it
00:05:17.760and, you know, arguing over obscure text, we spend time getting together, forming community
00:05:24.540and honoring our gods and ancestors. And it's really a positive thing.
00:05:29.800It's one of our biggest focuses as a group is to try to advance each other as individuals so that
00:05:35.780our group becomes stronger. The best thing we can do to affect change in the world is to become
00:05:41.840that change that we want to see, to be the best versions of ourself that we can. We've got a
00:05:46.240really good structure to help our members do that we also have uh trained and official gothar that
00:05:52.540are able to conduct not only our bloats and our ceremonies but also give you know give good
00:05:59.000counsel to people who go through real life struggles you know we're trying to do those
00:06:03.420real things that a faith community does and i feel we're doing them very effectively we're doing
00:06:08.220them better each day nice i think the three of us kind of um started out as keyboard warriors and
00:06:16.680still are to a to a slight extent so it's just a little it's nice it's nice to sort of um get an
00:06:24.560example of how to do um real world stuff and i think we're all trying to move ourselves and
00:07:01.140I think there's a big need for that. That's something that I run across with people a lot is, you know, where do I start? What do I do? And we're really working on different ways to help make it more accessible to somebody to get involved in and start actually, you know, practicing Ausatru.
00:07:17.460awesome um well you may know from listening to a couple of our episodes that a big part of that
00:07:26.240for us right now and one of the ways that we've structured the show is to use one of the runes
00:07:32.560each episode uh as a sort of a thematic um element um a bit of a what we do is a little bit of a rune
00:07:40.600study and use that as sort of a theme for the rest of the episode. So without further
00:07:49.900ado, the rune that we're planning to study for tonight is Tyr. And I'll just jump into
00:07:57.580the usual, which is my reading of a chapter from Futhark, A Handbook of Rune Magic by
00:08:03.460edward thorson um and then um after that we sort of uh we just get initial thoughts on
00:08:10.100the rune reading from each of our uh hosts and guests and uh let the conversation flow um after
00:08:16.340that so i'll just uh jump right into it this is from uh handbook of rune magic by edward thorson
00:08:24.500the ty rune embodies the force ruled by the god asatir tir is the norse god of law and justice
00:08:30.420who governs proceedings at the thing the germanic general assembly the tier force is one of passive
00:08:37.140regulation in northern mythology it is this god who comes closest to a transcendental quality
00:08:43.460these characteristics are exemplified by the major tier myth in which the god sacrifices his hand
00:08:49.780or active abilities between the jaws of the fenris wolf in order to save his fellow a seer from
00:08:57.220destruction the tivas thus tivas is the rune of self self-sacrifice and of kings and great leaders
00:09:03.620of the people the word tivas or tear in old norse is the exact cognate of sanskrit deus greek
00:09:11.460zeus and latin jupiter a threefold mystery is contained in tiva justice war and world the world
00:09:19.460column certain aspects of all three concepts are intimately related in the runic cosmology
00:09:24.580tivas is principally the force of divine order in the multiverse and especially among mankind
00:09:30.260but here is also important as a war god this is because of the special judicial and spiritual
00:09:35.460qualities that were imparted to conflict by the ancient northmen an old norse word sums up this
00:09:41.700aspect quite well vapna domar judgment by arms or war combat was seen as a struggle between numinous
00:09:50.660forces in conjunction with physical ones both of these are considered to be extensions of the same
00:09:56.180ultimate source the man or army with the most numinous power which is developed by right and
00:10:01.700honorable past action will be favored by urlog to win the struggle tir rules over the administration
00:10:08.420of this form of justice so he is invoked for victory and is therefore an important war god
00:10:14.020the aspect of the world column expressed by the tirune is that of the separator of heaven and earth
00:10:19.140this separation creates the phenomenological quality and is therefore necessary
00:10:24.180to multiversal manifestation as we know it this column maintains world order and protects humanity
00:10:31.380and the gods from the destruction that would come should the heavens energy and earth matter
00:10:37.620collapse into one another tivas is represented by the irman soul of the saxons this world column
00:10:44.820is the access mundi and has its heavenly termination in the pole star the tirun is the
00:10:50.740mystery of spiritual discipline and faith according to divine law it is the religious
00:10:55.140instinct in the individual and society tvats facilitates social integration and regulation
00:11:01.140according to the spiritual code of the esir keywords are justice world order order victory
00:11:07.220according to law self-sacrifice and spiritual discipline um would any of you guys like to make
00:11:14.100any comments on the tier rune tivas i mean i think one of the first things we go into is that tier
00:11:23.140myth specifically that is brought up the one where the fenris wolf is posing a threat to the aesir
00:11:29.780and perhaps to the folk generally and uh there was some kind of binding chain that needed to be
00:11:36.180voluntarily placed on the wolf and in return uh sensing that there may have been treachery the
00:11:42.820The wolf demands that Tear's hand be placed in its mouth.
00:11:47.940Now, of course, Tear knows he's going to lose his hand.
00:11:50.620As it mentions, this is active ability.
00:11:53.520This is fighting capacity for a former war god.
00:11:57.160And in its place, he takes a role of sort of legalism, a type of order and a type of trust.
00:12:05.960Not minutiae of tribal rules or something of that effect, but governing the order that exists between people and also, through the act itself, kind of the sacrifice that is embodied when one takes a certain high caste position and is forced to sacrifice for the people.
00:12:25.860that's that's a great point the the concept of the that that high caste that greater nobility
00:12:34.620to me um tear and and he was the rune is is emblematic of a of a certain masculinity that
00:12:43.840that is a a sort of sort of a part from the masculinity represented by thor it's it's a more
00:12:51.420um noble and formalized masculinity that is for the sort of higher of us um those those who
00:13:00.500seek to rule must as you as you said be willing to sacrifice and it's a very controlled and
00:13:08.260and restrained sort of masculinity but um we we have uh something of a of an expert here um uh
00:13:16.400And chime in, Matt, if I said anything apprentice-like.
00:13:27.400No, you guys are doing really good so far.
00:13:29.480I think the most important thing about the T-Voz mystery to me is the symbol of order
00:13:37.540and that constant order that doesn't change, that's as reliable as the pole star.
00:13:42.300the order that's represented by the ermine soul that keeps our cosmos itself in line and in reality
00:13:49.000functioning the way it ought to how do you feel about sacrifice being a part of that
00:13:56.640well i think that a lot of the bonds of our ancestors was always made by uh by the giving
00:14:05.080of gifts and the proper exchange of things and i think that sacrifice is very important to
00:14:10.000to maintain that relationship is as healthy and as balanced you'll notice with the with the
00:14:15.620gabo rune that it's perfectly balanced uh that balance and that that right order of sacrifice
00:14:22.620and receiving the gifts keeps that order intact
00:14:25.560so um two of the uh the more high gods odin and tyr are both um to me the uh
00:14:36.260gods who sacrifice um however uh tears was a slightly different sacrifice in that he himself
00:14:45.400gained absolutely nothing from it um whereas odin's sacrifice um it can be debated as to
00:14:53.420whether or not he he ever really intended to to give that that greater knowledge of the runes to
00:15:00.380to uh to the folk um or if if he was more on a quest um for personal power um do you do you see
00:15:11.180the the two the two um concepts of sacrifice as as uh as separate things that we should we should
00:15:21.420look to cultivate or or sacrifice um for either oneself or one's folk always good
00:15:29.180well i think they're i think they're a little bit different in form i think something very
00:15:36.000important to look at in tears sacrifice of his hand was that he's looking out for the interests
00:15:42.280of the folk that maintaining the order and advancing our people was his ultimate goal
00:15:48.200i don't necessarily think that the all-fathers sacrifice wasn't for the folk but how the story
00:15:57.100is told is certainly for that personal advancement but i think here we see kind of an early example of
00:16:02.960of left hand right hand path as far as acquiring benefits i think that to be perfectly balanced
00:16:10.280you need to have that you need to be a strong individual and you need to ultimately use your
00:16:15.480strength and your power as an individual to further your tribe to further your folk that's
00:16:22.460That's a good point. We actually did an entire episode on trying to figure out where Asatru was in the right-hand path, left-hand path continuum, and we did get into Odin's sacrifice of self to self a little bit and viewed that a little bit on the left-hand path side of things.
00:16:42.880But I don't think we talked about tear sacrifice. And as you say, it was about maintaining the order and sort of making sure that the clock's still running.
00:16:54.120And we can see that as both the most healthy expression of the right-hand path, and that is to say that sometimes the cosmic order and the traditions that we have, they're there for a reason, and maintaining them is extremely important.
00:17:13.040um one question that i had about tier uh and the t vas is is a connection that uh comes to me from
00:17:28.580uh if you guys recall when we spoke about uh the building of the wall of osgard right
00:17:34.320and we spent a little bit of time talking about um the idea of honor and
00:17:41.340And, you know, in that story, we had a conversation about how the gods had essentially deceived the giant, the Jotun, who had come to build the wall.
00:17:54.980And they sort of found a way to worm their way out of the arrangement, right, and undo the oath that was made about the building of the wall.
00:18:05.800and um and in this story again too we have one of our gods uh deceiving the fenris wolf you know
00:18:14.300he fully intends not to uh you know he he knows that they they all know that they're lying to
00:18:20.920the fenris wolf and deceiving him um so my question i guess is is about our concept of
00:18:28.200honor and whether this is you know do we see honor as something that is exclusive to our
00:18:34.840in group or is or how does how does this concept of honor play out when confronting an enemy and
00:18:42.920um is honor something you know do we perceive honor as exclusively that which benefits our tribe
00:18:49.980or is there something more to it and i'd like to know what everybody thinks on that
00:18:54.620starting with matt of course okay um well that's complex with our with our myths we have to always
00:19:05.920remember that they're not just really big supersized comic book humans it's not like
00:19:14.180you know the gods are one group of people and the giants are a different group of people
00:23:24.140It's just adhering to the laws of nature and the universe.
00:23:31.220I mean, is this sort of going back to the concept that there really are no universal human rights?
00:23:36.240There are only the rights which you yourself can secure?
00:23:40.340Yeah, that's my sort of position on it, though.
00:23:44.400What do you think about that basic duality, Matt? On one hand, you have universal moral norms and human rights, and on the other, you have this sort of Nietzschean will to power. Where do you think, what sort of moral framework do you think is most healthy for our people on that spectrum?
00:24:12.100Well, I think something that's very important as a place to start is the word honor itself.
00:24:17.160We've decided, you know, in modern times that honor means your personal code of right and wrong.
00:24:23.960But it originated as the value that your society placed upon you.
00:24:36.460It was the value in which your tribe placed in you.
00:24:39.280And certainly paying a sacrifice to protect, you know, to protect order and to protect the realm of the gods is an honorable act, an act that your tribe would deem worthy of an honor.
00:24:54.180I think looking at it from that perspective, I don't believe in universal codes of conduct. I don't believe in universal anything. I think that's disrespectful to not only us, but them as well.
00:25:09.280yeah um i think uh that that could also be a jumping off point into talking about what it
00:25:17.780means to be folkish and why the afa is folkish itself because um as you say honor is something
00:25:26.900that's given to you by your people by your folk and i don't think you can sort of receive honor
00:25:33.380through some sort of, you know, global concept.
00:25:38.000I don't think the United Nations can give you honor.
00:25:40.900It's just people who know you and who respect you
00:25:58.520And that's where, for most of our genetic history,
00:26:01.180We evolved in those sort of small tribes, and I mean, it's a big, big world, so we can't really conceive of just 150 people as our folk, because we are descended from a relatively small stock, and our ancestors had many, many children and created us.
00:26:26.520So I think having brotherhood amongst all Europeans is good, and so I will accept honors from someone in California or Texas, even if they're not really in my little Dunbar's number.
00:26:42.880but i don't i don't feel i can really accept um uh the moral judgments of people who don't share
00:26:52.240um common ancestry with me or or a common culture with me um this is why this is why i brought up
00:26:59.680the um the building of the wall of asgard because the same question came up when when we were
00:27:04.540talking about that right and and and how uh the aesir sort of schemed their way out of fulfilling
00:27:11.340that bargain as well. And I agree with Julian that it comes down to a totally different sense
00:27:21.800of morality that I think is right for our people, which is that that which advances the interest of
00:27:31.680our people is noble and good and you know really um you know preserving you know your word and
00:27:41.900oaths with outsiders or people who would do you harm if they had an opportunity to do so
00:27:46.720um i don't think that those none of that is virtuous if it results in your own downfall
00:27:52.120right like if if the gods in that case in in the building of the wall of this of uh asgard you know
00:27:58.440if they had just gone completely strictly by the letter of their agreement
00:28:02.520and allowed Freya and the sun and the moon to all be taken by this Jotun,
00:28:08.320I mean, how would that be remembered in the scheme of things?1.00
00:28:12.140You know, it certainly wouldn't be honorable either.
00:28:16.000And, you know, to allow these things to fall into enemy hands
00:28:20.540or to allow your progeny and forebears to suffer, you know,
00:28:27.060on account of preserving some type of, um, you know,
00:40:08.000so one just just to sort of try and tie tie together some of the concepts we've been talking
00:40:21.960about one one of the more uh uh fundamental concepts of to us is is that of justice and i
00:40:29.020think when we think think of justice um the way to think about it is is justice surrounding sort of
00:40:36.840the more primal truths of of what is is righteous and honorable action the the less
00:40:45.140the less context dependent um i i've i've also read tiwaz is a is a sort of linked with with the
00:40:52.900north star and it is it is the star on upon which all all others sort of uh uh surround um and and
00:41:03.740again this is another interesting way of contrasting um uh tier tier with odin because
00:41:10.540odin is is you know a sorcerer he's he's a very seems a little more context dependent his his
00:41:18.280justice is a little bit more of a um a personal or or focused justice and and he was is a more
00:41:26.860um a more let's see i i don't want to say big picture guy because because he doesn't have
00:41:33.760have uh i mean odin odin is definitely a big picture guy um but but he seems
00:41:40.200more likely to be tied to uh eternal uh truths and and moral truths would you say that's correct
00:41:49.280absolutely i think that's one of that's the most standout thing to me about
00:41:58.040the tvaz mystery is the constancy of that of that order i really like it the reference to
00:42:05.840the pole star comes from the uh the anglo-saxon rune poem and that really rings true to me um
00:42:14.140That the consistent basis of that, the fact that it doesn't change, I think it's a really important takeaway for us living in the times that we live in because moral relativism is, you know, that's the in thing now.
00:42:27.860And, you know, we've, as a culture, seem to have dissolved all notions that our grandparents would have understood about right and wrong or, you know, just basic biology of men being men and women being women.
00:42:42.340And all these things that we took as truths since the dawn of time are now being challenged and, you know, being claimed their social constructs or whatever else.
00:42:53.540Looking to and being inspired by this rune and by, you know, by this God, I think, helps us navigate through all the mist of all of this chaos around us.
00:43:06.000I think that's one of the most important things about the concept of the pole stars was used for navigation.
00:43:11.220And it was something that, you know, if you're lost, you could look to the night sky and navigate by.
00:43:16.380I think looking to these sacred concepts that have been true since the dawn of people, since the dawn of our folk, is what's going to get us through the moral confusion that we find ourselves in and that our folk are surrounded with every day.
00:43:31.760Sticking to those values that are eternal for us, I think that's the most powerful thing about this rune to me.
00:43:38.240those those eternal eternal values um sort of an open-ended question um what what would you uh
00:43:49.040like to list them yeah yeah i mean i don't i don't know if you have a list but like like for
00:44:01.600instance um i mean the the christian bible has you know the ten commandments um and we we have
00:44:08.960the nine nine noble virtues um and and i i always i i think i think when when you talk about
00:44:17.540about eternal values i i see it you know like christianity some of their eternal values i i
00:44:24.980see as as not necessarily eternal values for us for european peoples um so i'm i'm not i'm not
00:44:33.860sure what your your view is that because i do believe that different um uh ethnicities different
00:44:39.840races um because they evolved differently uh and have different gods they do have um to me
00:44:48.940different moral values which which is uh i'm still trying to to tease out in my own mind the
00:44:56.280difference between a moral value a folkish value and just a eternal law of nature which you know
00:45:05.520even you know animals must adhere to well that's one of the things that that's why i use the word
00:45:12.380eternal as opposed to universal just because the value is timeless doesn't mean it's applicable to
00:45:18.180all different groups of you know races of people on planet earth i don't you know i don't claim to
00:45:25.380know the value system of other races of people that aren't our own and i don't claim to tell them
00:45:31.780what those are for them but the values that our folk have always held to since the dawn of time
00:45:40.260revolve around certain natural principles and they don't they don't ebb and flow they're they're
00:45:45.300They're perhaps interpreted differently in different circumstances, but they can serve as a guiding light.
00:45:50.540I think our nine noble virtues are a very important guide to that.
00:45:59.060I think one of the differences when you talk about how Christians' values don't ring true with you and you would take issue with their universal moral values.0.83
00:46:13.260I think the difference is that theirs are life-denying where ours are life-affirming.0.98
00:46:18.340Ours are born from nature, and theirs are a negative reaction to that nature.
00:46:24.900So I think they're almost polar opposites of one another.
00:46:29.720I think the values of courage, truth, honor, fidelity, discipline, hospitality, self-reliance, and industriousness,
00:46:36.660I think those are very good, you know, very good things we can hang our hat on and find throughout our history and hopefully throughout the course of our history into the future with our descendants to be values that our folks can stand by.
00:46:52.680yeah and i i think those are pretty pretty perfectly contrasted with the with the you
00:47:00.840know do not covet this do not covet that you know and and the the abrahamic religion seemed to be
00:47:07.800very focused on you know submission of of your will to a greater higher power but all all of
00:47:14.800All of our virtues are telling you how to be strong for greater purposes than yourself.
00:47:23.520It's not all about a sort of nihilistic individualism.
00:47:28.940But in order to be a successful member of the tribe, you do have to be a courageous and honorable person.
00:47:37.700And you do have to be industrious and self-reliant and able to show hospitality and self-discipline.
00:47:50.740Very true. And on that note, should we maybe offer a little olive branch to Christians who, you know, have some of the same political ideas as we do?
00:48:00.300I'd like for us to get that out there because this will be a lot of people's first time listening.
00:48:04.520yeah yeah and i'll i'll do that uh um actually i may i may have changed my my symbol but but uh
00:48:13.400i think um um for for for better or worse um christianity has had a lot of uh our our european
00:48:25.140values sort of superimposed upon it um and and i think those who who live uh christian lives
00:48:33.960do have a sort of reverence for these values that many atheists do not so strangely enough
00:48:40.640even though we may you know um have certain opinions about the uh the origins of christianity
00:48:47.280And the benefit of having a sort of universal egalitarianism, which other peoples can sort of latch on to and claim descendants from.
00:49:03.020they they there are christians who are invaluable to to your to europeans and fighting um the the
00:49:13.340the more decadent and and uh insidious aspects of of modern culture so i and and i i would the
00:49:22.400to since we are a semi-political podcast um uh recently uh thomas moore um won in alabama
00:49:29.600and he is uh as christian as they come but um they we do have a lot of overlap in just what
00:49:40.540makes someone honorable is sort of being able to fight for your own people and to do that through
00:49:47.940value through values that that only the the noble can sort of easily adhere to so you know i think
00:49:56.320that um you know julian you were at charlottesville and um one of the statements from the last daily
00:50:02.980show that um you know brings this home is just that you know when you were on the ground together
00:50:09.480at charlottesville it didn't matter you know none of these um disagreements mattered because you
00:50:15.680were standing together as brothers and um you know these are these types of um spiritual
00:50:24.020arguments again this is what they spoke about on the daily show the other day
00:50:27.860said without our um the secure the security of our people we can't have these kinds of arguments
00:50:35.140or disagreements because without europeans none of this matters so um uh yeah of course we when
00:50:45.060when um when when hits the fan we're gonna stand together with with all of our european
00:50:52.260brothers regardless of what spiritual system they're following but um basically i think um
00:50:58.440go for it jake i was just going to say whatever uh whatever criticisms we have of christianity
00:51:06.260whatever critiques we have should not be interpreted as a below the belt attack on
00:51:11.900the religion or an attack certainly not on our brothers who adhere to it i think that um of
00:51:19.060course the reason that i mean we've we've kind of got a celebratory reason for spelling all this
00:51:23.820out i don't know if matt is aware of this either but um we did just get word that um our show has
00:51:29.980been picked up by the the trs radio network um and so i believe that this episode will be our first
00:51:36.560one um syndicated with with trs um and so of course um there are shows of every type on the
00:51:45.780network from you know to sort of satisfy you know every type of um you know content that people
00:51:51.640would like to consume um including christian podcasts and um you know in our political
00:51:58.320movement the greater political movement you know we are standing side by side with um you know
00:52:04.720with christians and atheists and whomever else um wants to help preserve and protect our people so
00:52:11.360So it's with, I think, great joy that we have the, you know, the ability right now to, you know, just to say those words of solidarity and, you know, express the fact that we too would, you know, we look forward to standing side by side with all of these people in the future.
00:52:35.060So on that note, that said, I was going to say there is something for those in our movement who are sort of still spiritually searching.
00:52:52.140I think there is something to be said for a religion that is not only rooted in your ancestry and what your ancestors practiced and the values they practiced, but one which is explicitly folkish.
00:53:09.420um and matt i was wondering if you could talk about uh the afa and it being folkish and what
00:53:18.220um being folkish means to you and and how you see that as contrasting with the um universalist
00:53:26.560movements not only in in asatru but um as as a more uh wider movement i'm really glad that you
00:53:35.980asked that i wanted to speak on this christian thing for a second before we move on and i think
00:53:40.880it ties in um i'll say this traditional christians that stand by traditional western values
00:53:48.880uh the austral folk assembly has much more in common with those people than we do against and
00:53:54.720you can't see my air quotes right now but universal ausitru or eclectic um eclectic melting pot
00:54:02.420paganism i think that those traditional western values we can argue about where they come from
00:54:09.040but i think that they do give a commonality to a lot of us and and i'll certainly acknowledge that
00:54:14.920um as far as the austral folk assembly and why we're folkish it never really occurred to anyone
00:54:23.860not to be the concept of universalist australia is a very new one uh indigenous faith has always
00:54:31.700been inherently folkish to the group that, you know, the group that spawned it. Universal
00:54:37.800religion is a fairly unique concept to the Abrahamic faiths. And other than that, any0.99
00:54:47.240religion that's an indigenous religion of a people has always been inherently folkish.
00:54:53.640The AFA, when it was first founded, the original AFA back in the 1970s, there wasn't a question
00:55:00.760of you know should we be folkish or should we be universalist um the the one simply didn't
00:55:06.520enter the picture and it's it's very strange to a lot of the old timers to see that there's been
00:55:11.880this whole universalist heresy that's developed um yeah the the folkish concept is is very inherent
00:55:21.320to who i am and certainly who we are as the asa true folk assembly and it wasn't a conscious
00:55:26.440choice that was made it wasn't a you know a political decision to take a stand on something
00:55:32.100it was the very literally the very blood in our veins calls out to be folkish and honor our
00:55:40.100ancestors it's at the very root of of anything that we do and i i truly don't understand how
00:55:45.620any uh any universalist ausitur i i don't understand where they're coming from and i
00:55:52.100don't understand how they think our folk relate to our gods well so heimdall's black so yeah i was
00:56:00.880just gonna say you don't so you don't think that uh heimdall should be played by a black guy
00:56:05.040uh no absolutely not and i think that you know if we had white guys playing indigenous african
00:56:11.820deities i think it would be shocking and offensive and uh not sure why the same rules don't apply but
00:56:18.200we all know they don't i'm sure why the same rules don't apply it actually was shocking and offensive
00:56:24.740when they did the the gods of egypt thing oh my the the amount of salon and huffpo articles that
00:56:30.980came out everyone was very butthurt it was just just absolutely in the front regardless even though
00:56:37.880you know recent dna tests have shown that you know egyptians were indo-european too so they
00:56:44.360aren't even african but still so that makes me think of um you know one thing i'd love to pick
00:56:52.680matt's brain about a little bit is um i think we'll save this for after the break because we're
00:56:58.800coming up pretty soon on it but um you know how he sees asa through as a uh spiritual system
00:57:05.960fitting in with like the greater you know pagan ideologies and uh rooted in indo-european uh
00:57:13.620system so maybe he wants to think on that for a bit and we'll get into it after the break
00:57:17.480um did any of you guys have anything else you want to address before we go off sounds good i'm good
00:57:24.820okay cool so um i know that we volkmom has planned to do a uh a segment for us tonight i believe it's
00:57:35.120on uh one of the the herbs which she calls wonderful stinging nettle i've never thought
00:57:41.140of stinging nettle as anything other than a pest so i'm looking forward to finding out what it's
00:57:46.940medicinal and other other uses are um i i'm not sure whether or not i'm including a wardroona
00:57:55.100track tonight it really all depends on whether we are in fact able to post um on the trs network
00:58:02.660this this episode um because we we will in the future have to avoid using copyright music
00:58:09.700So we are going to be putting out the word to our listeners
00:58:13.740and anybody who's got any kind of talent
00:58:15.720and wants to provide some kind of music
00:58:19.820or other different content for us to share on the show.
00:58:25.680Up to this point, we've been using the different tracks
00:58:29.480on the runes by the band called Wardruna.
00:58:32.820But of course, that stuff is all copyrighted.
00:58:35.040And now that we've gained syndication,
00:58:37.640we've we've we've really got to just work on avoiding any kind of uh copyright issues um so
00:58:44.200i'm not 100 sure if we will have that wardroona track for you guys tonight um if not what i would
00:58:51.480say you should do is right after the volk mom segment is just pause your recording and go to
00:58:56.760youtube and listen to the wardroona track for tier um it's it's still great uh content and um
01:00:30.400I hope you've all been able to take some time to be in nature this past week,
01:00:34.780To feel the soil on your bare feet, the sun on your skin, to nourish your soul by gazing at the blue sky, or perhaps training yourself to notice the variation in the leaves and bark of the trees around you.
01:00:49.720Tonight the moon is waxing, and the air is chilly.
01:00:54.700I'm sipping on a cup of warm nettle and mint tea.
01:00:58.660Stinging nettle plant, an ancient European plant ally, is what I'm here to talk about tonight.
01:18:32.940Basically, our Declaration of Purpose is, we got nine points of it.
01:18:38.300The first one is to practice, promote, and develop, and to sit down.0.66
01:18:42.420I apologize to practice, promote, develop, and disseminate the religion of Alcetru.
01:18:48.100The second one is the preservation of the ethnic European folk and their continued evolution.0.98
01:18:54.020Third one, issuing a call to all our brothers and sisters of the ethnic European folk to return to this, their native religion, way of life.
01:19:03.080Four, the restoration of community, the banishment of alienation, and the establishment of natural and just relations amongst our folk.0.80
01:19:12.420Fifth, the promotion of true diversity amongst the peoples and cultures of the Earth.
01:19:19.420Sixth, the fostering in our people of a deep sense of responsibility and self-reliance.
01:19:24.420Seven, the use of science and technology for the well-being of our people while protecting
01:19:29.420and working in harmony with the natural environment in which we live.
01:19:33.420Eighth, the exploration of the universe in keeping with the Faustian instinct of our kind.
01:19:39.420and nine the affirmation of the struggle of life welcoming the challenge of that struggle
01:19:44.800and living life wholly and with joy and facing eternity with courage yeah those those are all
01:19:53.180great and i just want to sort of really draw um our listeners attention to it anyone who really
01:19:59.580considers themselves interested in in the concept of of preserving your your own race um and making
01:20:08.140sure that you don't die out as a cultural and an ethnic people right there in the state in the
01:20:14.940declaration of purpose the preservation of ethnic european folk and their continued evolution
01:20:19.980that's that's pretty much the 14 words right there so um definitely get in on this
01:20:27.660not not only that but just just everything that makes us great as a people the faustian instinct
01:20:40.560that sort of god god's given spark that that wisdom to to wander and to seek new horizons
01:20:48.060you know it's it's not it's not just that that we as as whites need need to exist it's that we
01:20:56.440need to preserve what makes us us and to to retain everything that makes us unique and in doing so
01:21:05.140as you say preserve the only way you prove you preserve diversity global diversity of peoples
01:21:12.980is by making sure that everyone really embraces what makes a folk a folk and to have a sort of
01:21:24.060spiritual understanding about that is just invaluable and and to have that be the foundation
01:21:33.840upon which your religious organization is built upon you you just don't find that anymore in
01:21:40.440especially not in the abrahamic religions absolutely absolutely
01:25:04.640is describing you know that search for spiritual um understanding and a connection with the gods
01:25:11.380and having um attended um you know in the 60s i believe you know a bunch of native american rituals
01:25:18.760and the you know the leader of this uh ritual eventually coming to them and saying you're not
01:25:25.580going to find what you're looking for here you have to drink from your own well um and you know
01:25:32.260And that chapter has been with me ever since I read it the first time.
01:25:37.600And what strikes me as most powerful is this concept that, you know, our understanding of the universe, it's like even if the Eddas had never been recorded or any of our knowledge of the universe was totally wiped away,
01:25:59.000my concept of it is that this exists in our the this exists in the archetypal you know
01:26:07.360arian understanding it's in our dna this understanding of the universe and how
01:26:12.460how we relate to the world around us and you know if all those stories were were um somehow had been
01:26:19.080wiped away and we never had access to them i think that we would have invented these things
01:26:23.560ourselves, um, over time. And we may have given them slightly different names and forms to those
01:26:30.460myths, but I believe that those myths would have come back, um, just because they, they come from
01:26:37.440our, they basically stem from our genetic memory. Um, yeah, I think, I think you're remembering
01:26:44.100correctly. That was Stephen McNallan, um, in his book, uh, also through a native European,
01:26:49.840spirituality um and though we've talked about mcnellan in previous episodes he he is the uh
01:26:56.040the founder of the afa um the the individual that uh matt flavel took over for um and yeah he he
01:27:05.080he used to be he was searching for for a new spiritual system and he was you know trying to
01:39:35.720well you know these kind of things change over time as things progress so depending on how long
01:39:41.440it takes us to pay off the half we have now the landscape could change to where we have very strong
01:39:46.680communities i can't say for certain where we where we build the second half a lot of things have to
01:39:52.320do with what kind of support structure we have in the locality as far as people will be able to
01:39:56.060maintain it and also where we can find the best price and the best value for for our investment
01:40:00.960If you're looking for where we've got the most active regions in the AFA right now, certainly in Northern California, we've got a very active region, followed by Virginia, North Carolina area, what we call the AFA's Upper South, which is like Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, North Carolina there, Maryland too, I believe.
01:40:25.580We have really, really strong growth there over this last year, year and a half, and it's been really impressive to watch.
01:40:32.160Another area that's a fantastic area for us these last couple of years has been what we call the Northern Plains, kind of the Dakotas and then Minnesota.
01:40:47.500A ton of people came out, and they're some of our very best folk.
01:40:50.480uh maybe surprising to some folks one of our up and coming regions that's really cool is is sweden
01:40:57.060we've got quite a few members now in sweden our folk over there our folk builder over there anders
01:41:01.840nilsson he is he has really built quite a quite a group from for himself over the past i'd say
01:41:08.200year now so that's really impressive to watch that grow well they need it they do and and that's one
01:41:18.280of the other things over there i'm really happy a lot of efforts we've had in europe in the past
01:41:23.060the people have seemed uh fairly fairly subdued and fairly uncomfortable with folkishness and uh
01:41:32.560a lot of the fight i think has been beaten out of those people in sweden our folk over there are
01:41:37.280very strong they absolutely get it they're strongly folkish they're not afraid to take
01:41:42.400a stand for their people and it's it's really something cool to see so um
01:41:50.920let's see how do i approach this question because i believe one one of the goals of
01:41:59.880a religion is to protect its people to protect its um its flock as it were to use a christian
01:42:08.320word um however when when your people are being threatened um and your religion and your culture
01:42:16.420are being threatened um what what do you what do you do as because because you know our our
01:42:25.580our ancestors probably didn't have as much of a uh a division between um religion and politics
01:42:32.920For them, it was just how you lived your life and how you interacted with the world.
01:42:38.580But now we do have this sort of division where one must not touch the other.
01:42:45.240So, for example, your guy in Sweden, if he sees the government trying to crack down on his kindred or his people, and if he sees invaders doing very bad things to his folk,
01:43:11.100I mean, what sort of a recourse do you have as far as trying to support people without sort of infringing on the political neutrality of your position in that nation?
01:43:38.540um the first step is acknowledging that your people are a thing and that that there's something
01:43:47.180in your folk and from there it depends case by case on what you do um one of the things that
01:43:54.980i think really hurts our people is their own little backyard organization that limits our
01:44:03.560ability to look out for everybody's to take care of each other networks you to0.99
01:44:18.180support some people that can try yeah depend oh shit it sounds like Matt it0.98
01:44:28.580sounds like your connection is cutting out or your mic is maybe I'm plugging a0.92
01:44:32.780little bit or something we're really cutting out bad um hopefully you can jump back in in just a
01:44:38.460second oh yeah i i was hoping that was just me um one one thing i definitely did get was um you
01:44:48.160don't do nothing um and you definitely don't sabotage the the efforts of your of your people
01:44:55.220One thing I was going to bring up in regards to that is in South Africa, I mean, whites there really are facing a genocide, and they are being directly attacked, not just by the government, but by, you know, the hostile indigenous quotes, finger quotes, African population.
01:45:21.320um and and the whites there are very very christian and um what they are doing is is nothing
01:45:33.120and very often worse than nothing because and i think this this is sort of a problem with more
01:45:39.000universal religions is that they they say well this this is not a religion for a folk this is
01:45:47.340not a religion for a people this religion views equally the the african and the the saudi lander
01:45:57.040so i don't even see skin color yeah so so any any time any religion that doesn't believe in
01:46:07.460in an identity for its people uh it it can it can create problems it's gonna eventually
01:54:24.900But at the same time, the great injustices which have been done to Germany and their history for at least the past hundred years or so, slightly over, has basically been just a long and ongoing series of injustices.
01:54:40.700And I think that we are about to see sort of a quite a reverse on that.
01:54:47.120You know, that was Jung's whole concept, whole concept with the Wotan essay is that, you know, the Germanic spirit wants to be as benevolent as possible, but as malevolent as needed.
01:54:59.060So the AFD, it made some slight gains and it seems calm now.0.74
01:55:04.220But we've also seen that it has a lot more room to grow for one thing.
01:55:09.780second largest gains were made by the German Libertarian Party, and we've seen what happens
01:55:14.760to Libertarians when they kind of stew in their own ideas for two or three years. And also,
01:55:20.440a lot of our gains are coming from the CDU, or the Cuxervative Party, and they're still in the
01:55:27.860lead. So, AFD, I think, has the potential to be a dominating force in Germany within the next
01:55:35.220decade and not only that but they're also they're also purging or self-purging even some of the
01:55:43.380cuck aspects leaving of their own accord uh particularly as we've seen with foik petri
01:55:49.800um yeah i don't it's a very in-depth topic and we're kind of running low on time so if you guys
01:55:56.940uh had anything else you wanted to add on that go right ahead i'll i'll just quickly plug um