Asatru Folk Assembly - Matt Flavel on Midgard Rising (2017)

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00:00:28.940 Good evening and welcome to Midgard Rising, the Asatou podcast of the alt-right.

00:00:50.460 I'm your host, League of the North, and I'm joined, as always, by Julian Wotenson.

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00:00:56.720 jake corwinner noticed by senpai nationalism

00:01:01.360 and our exceptionally special guest for the evening uh matt flavel who is the chair or head

00:01:10.640 of the uh asatru folk assembly welcome matt thanks for having me on guys oh it's an honor

00:01:17.640 yeah it's incredible actually i mean we've been working um working on this project for quite some

00:01:24.760 time and it's always been our goal to get some of the people who are helping to spearhead this

00:01:29.720 movement for our people involved in what we're doing as well so it's it's just it feels like

00:01:36.280 the culmination of some of the work that we've been doing to have you on so thank you very much

00:01:40.200 for joining us um matt if you would could you tell us um a little bit about yourself and what

00:01:47.880 your role is at the afa and um you know just introduce yourself for our listeners presuming

00:01:53.160 that people don't don't know anything about it all right well hello guys my name is matt flavell

00:01:59.160 and uh i'm the alzher yargothi of the alz true folk assembly i've it's been my honor to hold

00:02:05.260 that position now for a little over a year i took over for steve mcnallen at last year's midsummer

00:02:11.660 i'm originally from anchorage alaska um kind of traveled all around but now i find myself

00:02:18.340 you know within driving distance of the hof out here in northern california

00:02:21.780 nice 0.99

00:02:23.960 so what is your

00:02:26.780 what would you say is like your

00:02:28.720 main role what does it mean

00:02:31.240 to be in the position

00:02:33.380 that you are

00:02:33.920 well

00:02:36.040 the way the AFA is structured

00:02:39.200 the Alshary Argothe

00:02:40.800 is both the I guess

00:02:43.100 president of the corporate

00:02:45.280 body of the Astro Folk Assembly

00:02:46.880 but also the spiritual head of the organization

00:02:49.140 so it's my job

00:02:51.100 to direct the mission of the AFA and make sure we're spiritually sound,

00:02:55.340 we're staying on track,

00:02:56.740 and also to make sure that everything functions the way it should

00:03:00.200 and that we can move forward with our mission in the best possible way

00:03:03.560 that brings honor to our ancestors, our folk, and our gods.

00:03:07.320 So you're basically the pulp. I mean, Pope.

00:03:12.860 Some people may say that. I don't say that.

00:03:15.580 i'm also assisted by the uh the witten which is derived from an old english word but it's

00:03:22.280 basically a council of wise men it's a a group of afa elders that that advise me and help me

00:03:28.680 with the important responsibility running astropholk assembly and i'm very lucky to have

00:03:32.980 those guys by my side they're here awesome um do you want to take a minute and just um and just

00:03:41.680 describe a little bit about the main activities of the Asset True Folk Assembly and how it can

00:03:49.680 work for and benefit people who are interested in the old ways and customs?

00:03:56.620 Sure. There's a lot of things that the AFA does. As our ancestors looked at our faith,

00:04:02.820 it wasn't just, you know, something people did on Sundays. Asset True was much more than just

00:04:08.180 religious system was a way of life so the afa and in keeping with that mission got a great many

00:04:14.180 things we do but the thing we focused on and do best is real world outs of true and uh you know

00:04:21.740 a lot of other groups are primarily online and we try to make sure that we you know have a good

00:04:26.660 online presence but the thing that separates us is we we really try to have folk interact in person

00:04:32.220 And I'm really proud to say that every week around the country, I get notifications of, you know, four or five, six different groups of Austro Folk Assembly members getting together, you know, at pub moots or bloats or, you know, different gatherings to celebrate our gods and our ancestors.

00:04:49.580 that's really something special we do as a as a national organization we're able to have

00:04:54.300 a unified message and basic understanding and basic belief structure across the world and

00:05:02.280 certainly across the united states one of the things that we do as an organization that's

00:05:07.080 helpful to people that may want to be involved is we connect people with others we get together in

00:05:12.460 groups and we actually practice ausiture we don't spend a lot of time online debating it

00:05:17.760 and, you know, arguing over obscure text, we spend time getting together, forming community

00:05:24.540 and honoring our gods and ancestors. And it's really a positive thing.

00:05:29.800 It's one of our biggest focuses as a group is to try to advance each other as individuals so that

00:05:35.780 our group becomes stronger. The best thing we can do to affect change in the world is to become

00:05:41.840 that change that we want to see, to be the best versions of ourself that we can. We've got a

00:05:46.240 really good structure to help our members do that we also have uh trained and official gothar that

00:05:52.540 are able to conduct not only our bloats and our ceremonies but also give you know give good

00:05:59.000 counsel to people who go through real life struggles you know we're trying to do those

00:06:03.420 real things that a faith community does and i feel we're doing them very effectively we're doing

00:06:08.220 them better each day nice i think the three of us kind of um started out as keyboard warriors and

00:06:16.680 still are to a to a slight extent so it's just a little it's nice it's nice to sort of um get an

00:06:24.560 example of how to do um real world stuff and i think we're all trying to move ourselves and

00:06:31.140 our listeners towards that direction.

00:06:36.000 Yeah, I mean, that was...

00:06:37.380 Sorry.

00:06:39.000 Oh, no, go ahead.

00:06:39.720 I was just going to say, that's a big part of what compelled us to do this, is because

00:06:42.840 people don't grow up around the old ways.

00:06:44.980 They kind of, they might discover it online, they might, you know, kind of agree with some

00:06:50.040 of the theological aspects, but they're not sure how to practice it on a day-to-day basis,

00:06:54.860 and part of what we try to do here is give them that guidance to be thinking about these

00:06:59.260 things.

00:07:01.140 I think there's a big need for that. That's something that I run across with people a lot is, you know, where do I start? What do I do? And we're really working on different ways to help make it more accessible to somebody to get involved in and start actually, you know, practicing Ausatru.

00:07:17.460 awesome um well you may know from listening to a couple of our episodes that a big part of that

00:07:26.240 for us right now and one of the ways that we've structured the show is to use one of the runes

00:07:32.560 each episode uh as a sort of a thematic um element um a bit of a what we do is a little bit of a rune

00:07:40.600 study and use that as sort of a theme for the rest of the episode. So without further

00:07:49.900 ado, the rune that we're planning to study for tonight is Tyr. And I'll just jump into

00:07:57.580 the usual, which is my reading of a chapter from Futhark, A Handbook of Rune Magic by

00:08:03.460 edward thorson um and then um after that we sort of uh we just get initial thoughts on

00:08:10.100 the rune reading from each of our uh hosts and guests and uh let the conversation flow um after

00:08:16.340 that so i'll just uh jump right into it this is from uh handbook of rune magic by edward thorson

00:08:24.500 the ty rune embodies the force ruled by the god asatir tir is the norse god of law and justice

00:08:30.420 who governs proceedings at the thing the germanic general assembly the tier force is one of passive

00:08:37.140 regulation in northern mythology it is this god who comes closest to a transcendental quality

00:08:43.460 these characteristics are exemplified by the major tier myth in which the god sacrifices his hand

00:08:49.780 or active abilities between the jaws of the fenris wolf in order to save his fellow a seer from

00:08:57.220 destruction the tivas thus tivas is the rune of self self-sacrifice and of kings and great leaders

00:09:03.620 of the people the word tivas or tear in old norse is the exact cognate of sanskrit deus greek

00:09:11.460 zeus and latin jupiter a threefold mystery is contained in tiva justice war and world the world

00:09:19.460 column certain aspects of all three concepts are intimately related in the runic cosmology

00:09:24.580 tivas is principally the force of divine order in the multiverse and especially among mankind

00:09:30.260 but here is also important as a war god this is because of the special judicial and spiritual

00:09:35.460 qualities that were imparted to conflict by the ancient northmen an old norse word sums up this

00:09:41.700 aspect quite well vapna domar judgment by arms or war combat was seen as a struggle between numinous

00:09:50.660 forces in conjunction with physical ones both of these are considered to be extensions of the same

00:09:56.180 ultimate source the man or army with the most numinous power which is developed by right and

00:10:01.700 honorable past action will be favored by urlog to win the struggle tir rules over the administration

00:10:08.420 of this form of justice so he is invoked for victory and is therefore an important war god

00:10:14.020 the aspect of the world column expressed by the tirune is that of the separator of heaven and earth

00:10:19.140 this separation creates the phenomenological quality and is therefore necessary

00:10:24.180 to multiversal manifestation as we know it this column maintains world order and protects humanity

00:10:31.380 and the gods from the destruction that would come should the heavens energy and earth matter

00:10:37.620 collapse into one another tivas is represented by the irman soul of the saxons this world column

00:10:44.820 is the access mundi and has its heavenly termination in the pole star the tirun is the

00:10:50.740 mystery of spiritual discipline and faith according to divine law it is the religious

00:10:55.140 instinct in the individual and society tvats facilitates social integration and regulation

00:11:01.140 according to the spiritual code of the esir keywords are justice world order order victory

00:11:07.220 according to law self-sacrifice and spiritual discipline um would any of you guys like to make

00:11:14.100 any comments on the tier rune tivas i mean i think one of the first things we go into is that tier

00:11:23.140 myth specifically that is brought up the one where the fenris wolf is posing a threat to the aesir

00:11:29.780 and perhaps to the folk generally and uh there was some kind of binding chain that needed to be

00:11:36.180 voluntarily placed on the wolf and in return uh sensing that there may have been treachery the

00:11:42.820 The wolf demands that Tear's hand be placed in its mouth.

00:11:47.940 Now, of course, Tear knows he's going to lose his hand.

00:11:50.620 As it mentions, this is active ability.

00:11:53.520 This is fighting capacity for a former war god.

00:11:57.160 And in its place, he takes a role of sort of legalism, a type of order and a type of trust.

00:12:05.960 Not minutiae of tribal rules or something of that effect, but governing the order that exists between people and also, through the act itself, kind of the sacrifice that is embodied when one takes a certain high caste position and is forced to sacrifice for the people.

00:12:25.860 that's that's a great point the the concept of the that that high caste that greater nobility

00:12:34.620 to me um tear and and he was the rune is is emblematic of a of a certain masculinity that

00:12:43.840 that is a a sort of sort of a part from the masculinity represented by thor it's it's a more

00:12:51.420 um noble and formalized masculinity that is for the sort of higher of us um those those who

00:13:00.500 seek to rule must as you as you said be willing to sacrifice and it's a very controlled and

00:13:08.260 and restrained sort of masculinity but um we we have uh something of a of an expert here um uh

00:13:16.400 And chime in, Matt, if I said anything apprentice-like.

00:13:25.440 What do you think about it?

00:13:27.400 No, you guys are doing really good so far.

00:13:29.480 I think the most important thing about the T-Voz mystery to me is the symbol of order

00:13:37.540 and that constant order that doesn't change, that's as reliable as the pole star.

00:13:42.300 the order that's represented by the ermine soul that keeps our cosmos itself in line and in reality

00:13:49.000 functioning the way it ought to how do you feel about sacrifice being a part of that

00:13:56.640 well i think that a lot of the bonds of our ancestors was always made by uh by the giving

00:14:05.080 of gifts and the proper exchange of things and i think that sacrifice is very important to

00:14:10.000 to maintain that relationship is as healthy and as balanced you'll notice with the with the

00:14:15.620 gabo rune that it's perfectly balanced uh that balance and that that right order of sacrifice

00:14:22.620 and receiving the gifts keeps that order intact

00:14:25.560 so um two of the uh the more high gods odin and tyr are both um to me the uh

00:14:36.260 gods who sacrifice um however uh tears was a slightly different sacrifice in that he himself

00:14:45.400 gained absolutely nothing from it um whereas odin's sacrifice um it can be debated as to

00:14:53.420 whether or not he he ever really intended to to give that that greater knowledge of the runes to

00:15:00.380 to uh to the folk um or if if he was more on a quest um for personal power um do you do you see

00:15:11.180 the the two the two um concepts of sacrifice as as uh as separate things that we should we should

00:15:21.420 look to cultivate or or sacrifice um for either oneself or one's folk always good

00:15:29.180 well i think they're i think they're a little bit different in form i think something very

00:15:36.000 important to look at in tears sacrifice of his hand was that he's looking out for the interests

00:15:42.280 of the folk that maintaining the order and advancing our people was his ultimate goal

00:15:48.200 i don't necessarily think that the all-fathers sacrifice wasn't for the folk but how the story

00:15:57.100 is told is certainly for that personal advancement but i think here we see kind of an early example of

00:16:02.960 of left hand right hand path as far as acquiring benefits i think that to be perfectly balanced

00:16:10.280 you need to have that you need to be a strong individual and you need to ultimately use your

00:16:15.480 strength and your power as an individual to further your tribe to further your folk that's

00:16:22.460 That's a good point. We actually did an entire episode on trying to figure out where Asatru was in the right-hand path, left-hand path continuum, and we did get into Odin's sacrifice of self to self a little bit and viewed that a little bit on the left-hand path side of things.

00:16:42.880 But I don't think we talked about tear sacrifice. And as you say, it was about maintaining the order and sort of making sure that the clock's still running.

00:16:54.120 And we can see that as both the most healthy expression of the right-hand path, and that is to say that sometimes the cosmic order and the traditions that we have, they're there for a reason, and maintaining them is extremely important.

00:17:13.040 um one question that i had about tier uh and the t vas is is a connection that uh comes to me from

00:17:28.580 uh if you guys recall when we spoke about uh the building of the wall of osgard right

00:17:34.320 and we spent a little bit of time talking about um the idea of honor and

00:17:41.340 And, you know, in that story, we had a conversation about how the gods had essentially deceived the giant, the Jotun, who had come to build the wall.

00:17:54.980 And they sort of found a way to worm their way out of the arrangement, right, and undo the oath that was made about the building of the wall.

00:18:05.800 and um and in this story again too we have one of our gods uh deceiving the fenris wolf you know

00:18:14.300 he fully intends not to uh you know he he knows that they they all know that they're lying to

00:18:20.920 the fenris wolf and deceiving him um so my question i guess is is about our concept of

00:18:28.200 honor and whether this is you know do we see honor as something that is exclusive to our

00:18:34.840 in group or is or how does how does this concept of honor play out when confronting an enemy and

00:18:42.920 um is honor something you know do we perceive honor as exclusively that which benefits our tribe

00:18:49.980 or is there something more to it and i'd like to know what everybody thinks on that

00:18:54.620 starting with matt of course okay um well that's complex with our with our myths we have to always

00:19:05.920 remember that they're not just really big supersized comic book humans it's not like

00:19:14.180 you know the gods are one group of people and the giants are a different group of people

00:19:18.820 having a very mundane conflict.

00:19:22.140 Our gods are the spirit forces

00:19:24.300 of the consciousness of our folk.

00:19:27.020 And the giants are, you know,

00:19:30.280 beings of chaos and beings of untamed natural forces.

00:19:35.340 It's not like one guy dealing with, you know,

00:19:38.120 a gentleman from a different nation

00:19:39.840 or a different tribe. 0.97

00:19:41.800 I think that this, the tale of Tyr

00:19:44.280 is certainly one that teaches us a lot about honor

00:19:47.000 and there's trickery afoot

00:19:50.360 but one of the most important things

00:19:51.840 of the story is

00:19:52.880 he makes a deal and he follows through with it

00:19:55.720 by offering up his hand

00:19:57.140 I mean he kind of pays that price

00:20:00.200 in which honor demands

00:20:01.300 do you think

00:20:03.980 if he could have gotten his hand out

00:20:05.460 that it would have been

00:20:06.760 still preferable not to do so

00:20:09.400 I think perhaps

00:20:15.140 I think as we talked earlier

00:20:16.660 about the gift cycle and maintaining that cosmic order,

00:20:21.100 I think paying that cost is exhibiting the right action

00:20:25.340 that Thorson talked about.

00:20:27.980 By getting victory and a more powerful Orlog

00:20:31.020 by conducting consistent right action,

00:20:33.940 I think that's very important.

00:20:37.460 It's interesting.

00:20:38.720 And I mean, it's also interesting to note

00:20:40.500 that the latter form of Tyr,

00:20:43.060 as beyond simply a war god,

00:20:45.540 as a god of order and sacrifice comes out of this so you could say that the whole conflict

00:20:53.100 sort of impede or not impede uh induced a uh was a very strong personal development which

00:21:02.660 of course reflects well on our people so i i always um viewed viewed this as a story that

00:21:18.520 sort of indicated um and again like like what he said it's a little more complex than how i

00:21:24.120 i was previously thinking about it but the concept of in-group and out-group morality and how that

00:21:30.100 conflicts with the concept of universalism um when when you have a universal set of set of

00:21:40.300 set of rules and morality that that you sort of export to those who would do you harm such as

00:21:46.960 then then you sort of um you you make yourself slave to to concepts and that that can be used

00:21:57.080 against you when no one else really adheres to that sort of universal system of morality.

00:22:04.520 So I always viewed Christianity and Judaism and religions like that, the Abrahamic religions, 0.99

00:22:14.860 as inherently damaging to Europeans because it forced us to sort of submit ourselves to 0.98

00:22:23.940 to an external and foreign morality that turned out to be a slave morality um this is how however

00:22:30.780 yeah yeah there as as you say there there are there are there are fundamentals in the universe

00:22:38.740 too um such as if if you if but but then again this this is not so so much a moral sacrifice

00:22:49.000 he had to make this was just um sort of a law the laws of the universe as it as it relates to

00:22:55.500 strength and weakness and and if you want to get something out of someone um you have to sort of

00:23:04.060 force them to sort of ante up and and if you if you sacrifice or if you break your oath then and

00:23:14.400 And if they have the strength to force you to lose your ante, or in this case, your hand, then you lose your hand.

00:23:20.800 It's not a moral question.

00:23:24.140 It's just adhering to the laws of nature and the universe.

00:23:31.220 I mean, is this sort of going back to the concept that there really are no universal human rights?

00:23:36.240 There are only the rights which you yourself can secure?

00:23:40.340 Yeah, that's my sort of position on it, though.

00:23:44.400 What do you think about that basic duality, Matt? On one hand, you have universal moral norms and human rights, and on the other, you have this sort of Nietzschean will to power. Where do you think, what sort of moral framework do you think is most healthy for our people on that spectrum?

00:24:12.100 Well, I think something that's very important as a place to start is the word honor itself.

00:24:17.160 We've decided, you know, in modern times that honor means your personal code of right and wrong.

00:24:23.960 But it originated as the value that your society placed upon you.

00:24:28.820 Honor was something you received.

00:24:30.280 You were given an honor.

00:24:31.820 You were honored by your folk.

00:24:34.340 It wasn't a personal code.

00:24:36.460 It was the value in which your tribe placed in you.

00:24:39.280 And certainly paying a sacrifice to protect, you know, to protect order and to protect the realm of the gods is an honorable act, an act that your tribe would deem worthy of an honor.

00:24:54.180 I think looking at it from that perspective, I don't believe in universal codes of conduct. I don't believe in universal anything. I think that's disrespectful to not only us, but them as well.

00:25:09.280 yeah um i think uh that that could also be a jumping off point into talking about what it

00:25:17.780 means to be folkish and why the afa is folkish itself because um as you say honor is something

00:25:26.900 that's given to you by your people by your folk and i don't think you can sort of receive honor

00:25:33.380 through some sort of, you know, global concept.

00:25:38.000 I don't think the United Nations can give you honor.

00:25:40.900 It's just people who know you and who respect you

00:25:43.940 who can give you honor.

00:25:45.620 And that sort of gets into Dunbar's number,

00:25:50.660 150 people, I think,

00:25:52.780 where you can only really know

00:25:54.740 and have empathy for 150 people.

00:25:58.520 And that's where, for most of our genetic history,

00:26:01.180 We evolved in those sort of small tribes, and I mean, it's a big, big world, so we can't really conceive of just 150 people as our folk, because we are descended from a relatively small stock, and our ancestors had many, many children and created us.

00:26:26.520 So I think having brotherhood amongst all Europeans is good, and so I will accept honors from someone in California or Texas, even if they're not really in my little Dunbar's number.

00:26:42.880 but i don't i don't feel i can really accept um uh the moral judgments of people who don't share

00:26:52.240 um common ancestry with me or or a common culture with me um this is why this is why i brought up

00:26:59.680 the um the building of the wall of asgard because the same question came up when when we were

00:27:04.540 talking about that right and and and how uh the aesir sort of schemed their way out of fulfilling

00:27:11.340 that bargain as well. And I agree with Julian that it comes down to a totally different sense

00:27:21.800 of morality that I think is right for our people, which is that that which advances the interest of

00:27:31.680 our people is noble and good and you know really um you know preserving you know your word and

00:27:41.900 oaths with outsiders or people who would do you harm if they had an opportunity to do so

00:27:46.720 um i don't think that those none of that is virtuous if it results in your own downfall

00:27:52.120 right like if if the gods in that case in in the building of the wall of this of uh asgard you know

00:27:58.440 if they had just gone completely strictly by the letter of their agreement

00:28:02.520 and allowed Freya and the sun and the moon to all be taken by this Jotun,

00:28:08.320 I mean, how would that be remembered in the scheme of things? 1.00

00:28:12.140 You know, it certainly wouldn't be honorable either.

00:28:16.000 And, you know, to allow these things to fall into enemy hands

00:28:20.540 or to allow your progeny and forebears to suffer, you know,

00:28:27.060 on account of preserving some type of, um, you know,

00:28:31.640 propriety in that way,

00:28:33.060 I don't think would be considered an honorable position.

00:28:38.380 I think it's incredibly nuanced and there's a scale of values.

00:28:44.160 And I think that in general, being truthful and being, you know,

00:28:48.100 honoring your oaths and honoring the agreements you make is certainly a good

00:28:51.600 thing. And I think we'd, we'd all agree on that,

00:28:53.620 but the survival of your people and your folk

00:28:57.800 and the advancement of your folk

00:28:59.340 should be your paramount concern.

00:29:03.320 And you've got to do what you've got to do

00:29:05.580 to reach that end and to protect everyone.

00:29:10.440 Who wouldn't tell a lie to save the life of their child,

00:29:13.480 for instance?

00:29:15.660 It doesn't make lying good,

00:29:18.180 but it makes the alternative much worse.

00:29:20.160 the existence of our people is not negotiable right absolutely

00:29:26.560 um and i mean deception can be a tool right and lord knows i mean um deception has certainly

00:29:36.940 been used against us as a people through you know many millennia um and it is it is on in part

00:29:45.100 because of our uh you know our concepts of morality and noble virtue that this has been able

00:29:51.820 you know that this has been um taken advantage of so you know i i think i really do think it's

00:29:59.420 an important step for us to take to um you know to move beyond that sense of like strict virtue

00:30:06.780 um in terms of truthfulness or uh you know and and the ability to use deception where necessary

00:30:14.940 it's just something we've got to overcome um or our leaders do anyway in terms of helping to direct

00:30:20.860 us so yeah yes and no i mean i i know i've i've supported um sort of tacitly the idea of of white

00:30:28.940 tiki in the past sort of semi semi-jokingly but um i i kind of alluded to this on our on our last

00:30:36.860 uh um symbol in that uh donald donald trump even if he's playing like uh 88 d chess or whatever

00:30:45.140 with with uh daca by saying oh let's let's do daca you know there's there's something about

00:30:52.820 you know scheming and double talk that i think our people find inherently

00:30:59.420 dishonorable if it's if it's done to to a certain degree i mean i mean a little a little tweak here

00:31:08.040 a little tweak there if a white light here or there if it if it gains your people power and

00:31:14.260 honor and prestige and respect is good but at the end of the day you have to be able to take your

00:31:20.640 mask off and say this is absolutely what i believe in this is who i am this is the honorable thing to

00:31:29.360 do you sort of have to sort of present a no-nonsense sort of chat approach to things otherwise you just

00:31:35.400 sort of become the the lie that you're pretending to be i think that's extremely important and i

00:31:42.640 wouldn't want anyone to take away from this conversation that it's okay to go you know

00:31:46.800 lie your way into into advancing yourself um there's a cost for these lies there's a cost

00:31:53.520 for deception as tier paid with his hand it's not okay it's not it's not necessarily a good

00:32:00.180 thing to do but often you know in these circumstance perhaps it's it's the better

00:32:04.600 of the choices available and it's a sacrifice to his personal luck that he was willing to make

00:32:10.580 for the folk um within the in group you're you're known by your reputation and if your reputation

00:32:16.900 is for someone who's not truthful then within your own tribe you won't be trusted and uh

00:32:22.460 yeah there there's always some sort of sacrifice to be paid and recently i've i've been using

00:32:30.460 for for other things the concept of immoral immoral acts sort of you end up giving away

00:32:37.980 a piece of your soul um now now any any sort of immoral act you do you probably are doing that a

00:32:45.820 little bit you're giving away a little a little bit of yourself a little bit of your prestige or

00:32:50.680 honor or respect however if the if the outcome of that act gives your people and your family and

00:32:58.580 your folk a great amount of honor you will receive back more than than what you did so there there's

00:33:04.940 sort of a sort of moral calculus going on there um i think i think we're spending a lot of time

00:33:12.660 focusing on the exception instead of the rule though and are people wanting to be upstanding

00:33:17.440 to uh abide by our noble virtues and to be known as virtuous people that hold their word i think

00:33:23.960 that's fundamental and i think that's also part of the mystery of tvaz when we look at that cosmic

00:33:29.340 order us abiding by our word and us being morally upright people is what upholds that world column

00:33:37.660 it's the you know these are things that are truths that hold steady as the pole star to keep our

00:33:43.760 cosmos ordered and when we start messing with that over much uh it throws things into chaos

00:33:49.660 yeah yeah i would agree with that and with regards to uh orlog which was mentioned earlier i think

00:33:56.740 that also ties back into the concept of self-sacrifice and it's something you can see in

00:34:02.380 these moral paradigms but it's also i would say something you can see in your everyday life which

00:34:07.540 is more or less you're always going to do what you've always done of of course there there's

00:34:13.460 summoning of the will there are improvements to yourself but what i'm saying is that like if you

00:34:18.480 are constantly working towards right and honorable action you know if you're maintaining uh physical

00:34:24.720 fitness intellectual wellness uh moral uh goodness then you're going to receive a sort of

00:34:32.460 for lack of a better term a bit of luck from your ancestors and from the holy powers which

00:34:39.480 assist your own person

00:34:41.880 and your own folk. 0.56

00:34:44.300 Yeah, again, going back to the

00:34:45.740 Orlog concept.

00:34:49.360 So,

00:34:50.260 I don't, traditionally

00:34:52.020 we just kind of

00:34:53.360 move on from

00:34:56.000 the rune concept

00:34:57.640 into more general conversation.

00:34:59.960 But I'd actually like to give

00:35:02.000 Matt a final word and

00:35:03.680 an opportunity to

00:35:05.540 say whatever he would like to say about

00:35:07.860 um, uh, tear in this room and what one can, uh, take from it, the power that one can take from it

00:35:15.080 and, and from the God and, and how we should sort of live, um, our lives through that example.

00:35:22.660 I just had one more question before, like a final word on Tearvas. I actually have something else

00:35:28.060 I'd like to raise as well, but we've got, we've still got time in the first hour, so. Yeah, we're,

00:35:33.060 we're doing great so um my the insight that i wanted to ask about is just thoughts on

00:35:40.260 how um so so tier sacrifices his hand in this uh in this act of preservation of his people

00:35:49.380 but then part of the consequence of that is um the fact that he then is uh you know unable to

00:35:57.380 take up arms uh at the final battle at ragnarok uh at least as effectively and i wonder if you

00:36:05.140 have any specific insights on that like the the dichotomy there and the the um you know the concept

00:36:12.200 of you know what's being talked about here and what's lost you know is it in terms of short-term

00:36:17.680 game versus long-term um strategy and so on well the myth that we have is fairly late in the game

00:36:29.440 uh that we get and i i wonder further into antiquity what detail we may have had on the

00:36:35.200 story that we don't have by the time that snorri records it um one thing that i think is important

00:36:43.120 and i think it ties into our our conversation about you know deception and other things earlier

00:36:50.480 tear sacrifices a bit of himself he sacrifices something very valuable of himself in order for

00:36:59.200 to preserve the greater good of you know our gods and ultimately our folk by binding this this

00:37:06.320 creature of absolute destruction um a creature that would go on in in ragnarok to to devour the

00:37:12.840 all-father so i think it's it's very important that there is a cost associated with it and that

00:37:20.900 sacrifice in that sense that you know taking care of your folk or doing the right thing

00:37:28.000 isn't always free and it isn't always something that you know you're not going to suffer a cost

00:37:34.180 for and his willingness to suffer that cost for his people is a powerful example for all of us

00:37:40.240 to be able to to give of ourselves selflessly so that our tribe our folk can advance and be safe

00:37:48.440 absolutely and um one thing i was wondering about if you don't have anything else on that leak

00:37:57.860 i'm good you can go ahead okay yeah um now part of what we're seeing with the tiwaz rune or with

00:38:04.120 the tier concept is sort of a sense of karma, to put it colloquially, you know, what goes

00:38:11.480 around comes around, you know, your actions, your orlog determine, to some degree, the

00:38:20.660 fate of yourself, and it's mentioned specifically that armies would invoke this for victory.

00:38:26.780 However, that seems somewhat contradictory, I would say, to the Odinic mystery, where,

00:38:32.480 the brave, the courageous,

00:38:36.740 the strong, and the selfless are often cut down

00:38:40.760 in battle to ascend to Valhalla.

00:38:45.100 Matt, do you have any insight as to

00:38:48.860 how maybe these two can be reconciled?

00:38:50.940 um

00:38:57.680 no i'm trying to give it the thought that it deserves because i think it's a very good question

00:39:04.860 um i think

00:39:08.300 i don't know i think that's one of the the i guess ironies of heroism is the more heroic you are and

00:39:18.100 the more heroic your actions, the more you put yourself at risk.

00:39:23.700 Our ancestors were big gamblers that way.

00:39:29.180 They played games of chance.

00:39:30.680 They would test their luck.

00:39:32.480 And I think that you find in a lot of tales about Odin,

00:39:36.520 him capitalizing on people when they lose that roll of the dice.

00:39:41.360 But I think we often forget about all the times the dice are rolled,

00:39:44.580 that they're victorious.

00:39:48.100 I mean, a great champion eventually loses his belt at some point,

00:39:52.200 but that doesn't negate all of the victories he's gotten to get to that point.

00:39:58.000 Defeat at the end of a long string of victories

00:40:00.460 doesn't negate the victories that you've achieved to get there.

00:40:07.180 That's true.

00:40:08.000 so one just just to sort of try and tie tie together some of the concepts we've been talking

00:40:21.960 about one one of the more uh uh fundamental concepts of to us is is that of justice and i

00:40:29.020 think when we think think of justice um the way to think about it is is justice surrounding sort of

00:40:36.840 the more primal truths of of what is is righteous and honorable action the the less

00:40:45.140 the less context dependent um i i've i've also read tiwaz is a is a sort of linked with with the

00:40:52.900 north star and it is it is the star on upon which all all others sort of uh uh surround um and and

00:41:03.740 again this is another interesting way of contrasting um uh tier tier with odin because

00:41:10.540 odin is is you know a sorcerer he's he's a very seems a little more context dependent his his

00:41:18.280 justice is a little bit more of a um a personal or or focused justice and and he was is a more

00:41:26.860 um a more let's see i i don't want to say big picture guy because because he doesn't have

00:41:33.760 have uh i mean odin odin is definitely a big picture guy um but but he seems

00:41:40.200 more likely to be tied to uh eternal uh truths and and moral truths would you say that's correct

00:41:49.280 absolutely i think that's one of that's the most standout thing to me about

00:41:58.040 the tvaz mystery is the constancy of that of that order i really like it the reference to

00:42:05.840 the pole star comes from the uh the anglo-saxon rune poem and that really rings true to me um

00:42:14.140 That the consistent basis of that, the fact that it doesn't change, I think it's a really important takeaway for us living in the times that we live in because moral relativism is, you know, that's the in thing now.

00:42:27.860 And, you know, we've, as a culture, seem to have dissolved all notions that our grandparents would have understood about right and wrong or, you know, just basic biology of men being men and women being women.

00:42:42.340 And all these things that we took as truths since the dawn of time are now being challenged and, you know, being claimed their social constructs or whatever else.

00:42:53.540 Looking to and being inspired by this rune and by, you know, by this God, I think, helps us navigate through all the mist of all of this chaos around us.

00:43:06.000 I think that's one of the most important things about the concept of the pole stars was used for navigation.

00:43:11.220 And it was something that, you know, if you're lost, you could look to the night sky and navigate by.

00:43:16.380 I think looking to these sacred concepts that have been true since the dawn of people, since the dawn of our folk, is what's going to get us through the moral confusion that we find ourselves in and that our folk are surrounded with every day.

00:43:31.760 Sticking to those values that are eternal for us, I think that's the most powerful thing about this rune to me.

00:43:38.240 those those eternal eternal values um sort of an open-ended question um what what would you uh

00:43:47.040 define those values as

00:43:49.040 like to list them yeah yeah i mean i don't i don't know if you have a list but like like for

00:44:01.600 instance um i mean the the christian bible has you know the ten commandments um and we we have

00:44:08.960 the nine nine noble virtues um and and i i always i i think i think when when you talk about

00:44:17.540 about eternal values i i see it you know like christianity some of their eternal values i i

00:44:24.980 see as as not necessarily eternal values for us for european peoples um so i'm i'm not i'm not

00:44:33.860 sure what your your view is that because i do believe that different um uh ethnicities different

00:44:39.840 races um because they evolved differently uh and have different gods they do have um to me

00:44:48.940 different moral values which which is uh i'm still trying to to tease out in my own mind the

00:44:56.280 difference between a moral value a folkish value and just a eternal law of nature which you know

00:45:05.520 even you know animals must adhere to well that's one of the things that that's why i use the word

00:45:12.380 eternal as opposed to universal just because the value is timeless doesn't mean it's applicable to

00:45:18.180 all different groups of you know races of people on planet earth i don't you know i don't claim to

00:45:25.380 know the value system of other races of people that aren't our own and i don't claim to tell them

00:45:31.780 what those are for them but the values that our folk have always held to since the dawn of time

00:45:40.260 revolve around certain natural principles and they don't they don't ebb and flow they're they're

00:45:45.300 They're perhaps interpreted differently in different circumstances, but they can serve as a guiding light.

00:45:50.540 I think our nine noble virtues are a very important guide to that.

00:45:59.060 I think one of the differences when you talk about how Christians' values don't ring true with you and you would take issue with their universal moral values. 0.83

00:46:13.260 I think the difference is that theirs are life-denying where ours are life-affirming. 0.98

00:46:18.340 Ours are born from nature, and theirs are a negative reaction to that nature.

00:46:24.900 So I think they're almost polar opposites of one another.

00:46:29.720 I think the values of courage, truth, honor, fidelity, discipline, hospitality, self-reliance, and industriousness,

00:46:36.660 I think those are very good, you know, very good things we can hang our hat on and find throughout our history and hopefully throughout the course of our history into the future with our descendants to be values that our folks can stand by.

00:46:52.680 yeah and i i think those are pretty pretty perfectly contrasted with the with the you

00:47:00.840 know do not covet this do not covet that you know and and the the abrahamic religion seemed to be

00:47:07.800 very focused on you know submission of of your will to a greater higher power but all all of

00:47:14.800 All of our virtues are telling you how to be strong for greater purposes than yourself.

00:47:23.520 It's not all about a sort of nihilistic individualism.

00:47:28.940 But in order to be a successful member of the tribe, you do have to be a courageous and honorable person.

00:47:37.700 And you do have to be industrious and self-reliant and able to show hospitality and self-discipline.

00:47:50.740 Very true. And on that note, should we maybe offer a little olive branch to Christians who, you know, have some of the same political ideas as we do?

00:48:00.300 I'd like for us to get that out there because this will be a lot of people's first time listening.

00:48:04.520 yeah yeah and i'll i'll do that uh um actually i may i may have changed my my symbol but but uh

00:48:13.400 i think um um for for for better or worse um christianity has had a lot of uh our our european

00:48:25.140 values sort of superimposed upon it um and and i think those who who live uh christian lives

00:48:33.960 do have a sort of reverence for these values that many atheists do not so strangely enough

00:48:40.640 even though we may you know um have certain opinions about the uh the origins of christianity

00:48:47.280 And the benefit of having a sort of universal egalitarianism, which other peoples can sort of latch on to and claim descendants from.

00:49:03.020 they they there are christians who are invaluable to to your to europeans and fighting um the the

00:49:13.340 the more decadent and and uh insidious aspects of of modern culture so i and and i i would the

00:49:22.400 to since we are a semi-political podcast um uh recently uh thomas moore um won in alabama

00:49:29.600 and he is uh as christian as they come but um they we do have a lot of overlap in just what

00:49:40.540 makes someone honorable is sort of being able to fight for your own people and to do that through

00:49:47.940 value through values that that only the the noble can sort of easily adhere to so you know i think

00:49:56.320 that um you know julian you were at charlottesville and um one of the statements from the last daily

00:50:02.980 show that um you know brings this home is just that you know when you were on the ground together

00:50:09.480 at charlottesville it didn't matter you know none of these um disagreements mattered because you

00:50:15.680 were standing together as brothers and um you know these are these types of um spiritual

00:50:24.020 arguments again this is what they spoke about on the daily show the other day

00:50:27.860 said without our um the secure the security of our people we can't have these kinds of arguments

00:50:35.140 or disagreements because without europeans none of this matters so um uh yeah of course we when

00:50:45.060 when um when when hits the fan we're gonna stand together with with all of our european

00:50:52.260 brothers regardless of what spiritual system they're following but um basically i think um

00:50:58.440 go for it jake i was just going to say whatever uh whatever criticisms we have of christianity

00:51:06.260 whatever critiques we have should not be interpreted as a below the belt attack on

00:51:11.900 the religion or an attack certainly not on our brothers who adhere to it i think that um of

00:51:19.060 course the reason that i mean we've we've kind of got a celebratory reason for spelling all this

00:51:23.820 out i don't know if matt is aware of this either but um we did just get word that um our show has

00:51:29.980 been picked up by the the trs radio network um and so i believe that this episode will be our first

00:51:36.560 one um syndicated with with trs um and so of course um there are shows of every type on the

00:51:45.780 network from you know to sort of satisfy you know every type of um you know content that people

00:51:51.640 would like to consume um including christian podcasts and um you know in our political

00:51:58.320 movement the greater political movement you know we are standing side by side with um you know

00:52:04.720 with christians and atheists and whomever else um wants to help preserve and protect our people so

00:52:11.360 So it's with, I think, great joy that we have the, you know, the ability right now to, you know, just to say those words of solidarity and, you know, express the fact that we too would, you know, we look forward to standing side by side with all of these people in the future.

00:52:35.060 So on that note, that said, I was going to say there is something for those in our movement who are sort of still spiritually searching.

00:52:52.140 I think there is something to be said for a religion that is not only rooted in your ancestry and what your ancestors practiced and the values they practiced, but one which is explicitly folkish.

00:53:09.420 um and matt i was wondering if you could talk about uh the afa and it being folkish and what

00:53:18.220 um being folkish means to you and and how you see that as contrasting with the um universalist

00:53:26.560 movements not only in in asatru but um as as a more uh wider movement i'm really glad that you

00:53:35.980 asked that i wanted to speak on this christian thing for a second before we move on and i think

00:53:40.880 it ties in um i'll say this traditional christians that stand by traditional western values

00:53:48.880 uh the austral folk assembly has much more in common with those people than we do against and

00:53:54.720 you can't see my air quotes right now but universal ausitru or eclectic um eclectic melting pot

00:54:02.420 paganism i think that those traditional western values we can argue about where they come from

00:54:09.040 but i think that they do give a commonality to a lot of us and and i'll certainly acknowledge that

00:54:14.920 um as far as the austral folk assembly and why we're folkish it never really occurred to anyone

00:54:23.860 not to be the concept of universalist australia is a very new one uh indigenous faith has always

00:54:31.700 been inherently folkish to the group that, you know, the group that spawned it. Universal

00:54:37.800 religion is a fairly unique concept to the Abrahamic faiths. And other than that, any 0.99

00:54:47.240 religion that's an indigenous religion of a people has always been inherently folkish.

00:54:53.640 The AFA, when it was first founded, the original AFA back in the 1970s, there wasn't a question

00:55:00.760 of you know should we be folkish or should we be universalist um the the one simply didn't

00:55:06.520 enter the picture and it's it's very strange to a lot of the old timers to see that there's been

00:55:11.880 this whole universalist heresy that's developed um yeah the the folkish concept is is very inherent

00:55:21.320 to who i am and certainly who we are as the asa true folk assembly and it wasn't a conscious

00:55:26.440 choice that was made it wasn't a you know a political decision to take a stand on something

00:55:32.100 it was the very literally the very blood in our veins calls out to be folkish and honor our

00:55:40.100 ancestors it's at the very root of of anything that we do and i i truly don't understand how

00:55:45.620 any uh any universalist ausitur i i don't understand where they're coming from and i

00:55:52.100 don't understand how they think our folk relate to our gods well so heimdall's black so yeah i was

00:56:00.880 just gonna say you don't so you don't think that uh heimdall should be played by a black guy

00:56:05.040 uh no absolutely not and i think that you know if we had white guys playing indigenous african

00:56:11.820 deities i think it would be shocking and offensive and uh not sure why the same rules don't apply but

00:56:18.200 we all know they don't i'm sure why the same rules don't apply it actually was shocking and offensive

00:56:24.740 when they did the the gods of egypt thing oh my the the amount of salon and huffpo articles that

00:56:30.980 came out everyone was very butthurt it was just just absolutely in the front regardless even though

00:56:37.880 you know recent dna tests have shown that you know egyptians were indo-european too so they

00:56:44.360 aren't even african but still so that makes me think of um you know one thing i'd love to pick

00:56:52.680 matt's brain about a little bit is um i think we'll save this for after the break because we're

00:56:58.800 coming up pretty soon on it but um you know how he sees asa through as a uh spiritual system

00:57:05.960 fitting in with like the greater you know pagan ideologies and uh rooted in indo-european uh

00:57:13.620 system so maybe he wants to think on that for a bit and we'll get into it after the break

00:57:17.480 um did any of you guys have anything else you want to address before we go off sounds good i'm good

00:57:24.820 okay cool so um i know that we volkmom has planned to do a uh a segment for us tonight i believe it's

00:57:35.120 on uh one of the the herbs which she calls wonderful stinging nettle i've never thought

00:57:41.140 of stinging nettle as anything other than a pest so i'm looking forward to finding out what it's

00:57:46.940 medicinal and other other uses are um i i'm not sure whether or not i'm including a wardroona

00:57:55.100 track tonight it really all depends on whether we are in fact able to post um on the trs network

00:58:02.660 this this episode um because we we will in the future have to avoid using copyright music

00:58:09.700 So we are going to be putting out the word to our listeners

00:58:13.740 and anybody who's got any kind of talent

00:58:15.720 and wants to provide some kind of music

00:58:19.820 or other different content for us to share on the show.

00:58:25.680 Up to this point, we've been using the different tracks

00:58:29.480 on the runes by the band called Wardruna.

00:58:32.820 But of course, that stuff is all copyrighted.

00:58:35.040 And now that we've gained syndication,

00:58:37.640 we've we've we've really got to just work on avoiding any kind of uh copyright issues um so

00:58:44.200 i'm not 100 sure if we will have that wardroona track for you guys tonight um if not what i would

00:58:51.480 say you should do is right after the volk mom segment is just pause your recording and go to

00:58:56.760 youtube and listen to the wardroona track for tier um it's it's still great uh content and um

00:59:05.480 intellectual property

00:59:07.600 and really sets the

00:59:08.900 mood for the rune itself.

00:59:12.840 Still 1.00

00:59:13.400 steal your shit, just don't 1.00

00:59:15.880 do it through us. That's the idea. 1.00

00:59:19.100 Well, we

00:59:19.820 just can't be responsible for it.

00:59:22.340 It's unfortunate because I've

00:59:23.820 really enjoyed playing badass

00:59:25.380 metal, you know,

00:59:27.540 pagan metal music at the end of each show, but

00:59:29.600 I think I'll have to

00:59:31.560 probably skip that from now on.

00:59:33.920 Unfortunately.

00:59:35.480 Um, yeah, so, uh, hang in there guys and we will see you all right after the break.

01:00:05.480 Good evening, Volkmom here.

01:00:30.400 I hope you've all been able to take some time to be in nature this past week,

01:00:34.780 To feel the soil on your bare feet, the sun on your skin, to nourish your soul by gazing at the blue sky, or perhaps training yourself to notice the variation in the leaves and bark of the trees around you.

01:00:49.720 Tonight the moon is waxing, and the air is chilly.

01:00:54.700 I'm sipping on a cup of warm nettle and mint tea.

01:00:58.660 Stinging nettle plant, an ancient European plant ally, is what I'm here to talk about tonight.

01:01:06.360 Culpepper said,

01:01:08.520 Nettles are so well known that they need no description.

01:01:12.220 They may be found, by feeling, in the darkest night.

01:01:15.200 If you've ever been stung by Nuttles while venturing off trail, you would remember it.

01:01:22.020 I remember as a child playing by the creek and carelessly running through a tall, dense patch of them,

01:01:27.920 only to find myself seconds later stunned by a mysterious, agonizing stinging from head to toe.

01:01:36.220 Perhaps that was an abrupt way for me to be introduced to this old healer.

01:01:41.280 Perhaps it was a necessary initiation into a life of herbal study.

01:01:46.920 Nevertheless, in my adult years, I've become very well acquainted with nettle, or the Latin, urtica dioica.

01:01:57.860 Nettles are native throughout Europe and grow in the Americas and other places.

01:02:03.100 Usually around 3 feet tall, but potentially reaching up to 6 feet,

01:02:07.280 They have square stems and deep green toothed leaves.

01:02:11.840 You can't miss the hairy stingers covering the stems and leaf bottoms.

01:02:16.300 The flowers are greenish yellow.

01:02:18.360 You can find nettles growing along waterways, in woodlands, and even in city parks and alleys.

01:02:25.040 They often grow near dock or at old home sites or barnyards.

01:02:30.160 You can also purchase dried nettle leaf online, which may become necessary if you use it as much as we do.

01:02:37.280 This plant has too many uses to list.

01:02:43.900 It is hands down my favorite herb.

01:02:47.700 And while the fresh plants can deliver a sting, this herb is safely used when cooked

01:02:52.840 or dried, removing all trace of the ability for the stinging hairs to inject their formic

01:02:58.280 acid.

01:02:59.280 Indeed, the cooked leaves and young shoots are a delicious vegetable, and the tea is

01:03:04.920 ever so nourishing and delightful. I always add a bit of raw milk and sometimes a bit

01:03:10.560 of honey and occasionally a pat of butter and then it's practically a meal. Beyond

01:03:17.460 these points nettle is full of medicinal and nutritional benefits. For thousands of years

01:03:24.200 as nettles sprouted forth from the earth in spring, our ancestors would seek them as one

01:03:29.980 of the first green foods of the new year. They contain high levels of calcium,

01:03:35.360 magnesium, iron, phosphorus, manganese, silica, and iodine. They also provide

01:03:44.020 chlorophyll and vitamin C, but to me the most exciting food fact here is that

01:03:50.920 they're 10% protein, more than any other vegetable. Medicinally nettles are most

01:03:58.180 well-known on our homestead as a pregnancy tonic. We don't need expensive synthetic

01:04:03.780 supplements or prepackaged vitamins when we tap into the amazing gifts the plants offer all around

01:04:09.780 us. Nettles strengthen and tone the uterine, wall, and thigh muscles needed for childbirth.

01:04:19.060 Nettles are also a wonderful supportive herb for the adrenals. If you drink a lot of caffeine,

01:04:25.620 your adrenals are taxed. Supplementing with a cup of nettle tea now and then can offer healing.

01:04:31.940 Eating cooked nettle greens and drinking the tea promotes healthy skin and nails,

01:04:37.060 thicker and shinier hair, and you can even rinse your hair in the tea to help it grow.

01:04:43.060 This herb is also diuretic, helping restore kidneys and bladder, and also useful for lung

01:04:49.220 ailments and to nurture the liver. The stings of the plant actually have a

01:04:54.860 unique remedy. They've long been used intentionally to improve circulation and

01:05:00.260 in cases of arthritis and even atrophy and palsy. From Maud Greaves Herbal, she

01:05:06.740 quotes Camden from Britannica. The Roman soldiers brought some of the nettle seed

01:05:14.120 with them and sewed it there for their use to rub and shave their limbs. When 0.85

01:05:19.940 through extreme cold they should be stiff or be numbed, having been told that the

01:05:25.280 climate in Britain was so cold that it was not to be endured. While the stings

01:05:31.340 of our Nuttles last minutes, or at most several hours, there is a tropical

01:05:36.860 species that releases a sting so painful that it can last for years.

01:05:43.160 Nettle root is also touted by some to be a testosterone boost for men.

01:05:48.160 This plant was surely one of the most revered by our ancestors, truly life-sustaining.

01:05:56.160 The nettle plant is said to have derived its common name from nodal or needle

01:06:02.160 because this plant supplied the thread to our Scandinavian and Germanic folk before the introduction of flax.

01:06:10.160 Its fiber is similar to hemp and flax, and it was used for the same purposes, from making

01:06:16.600 fine cloth to even sailcloth, sacking, and rope.

01:06:21.460 Flax and hemp bear southern names and were introduced to the north to replace nettle.

01:06:26.480 Again, Maude Grieve quotes the poet Campbell, who, complaining of the little attention paid

01:06:32.680 to nettle in England, tells us,

01:06:36.720 In Scotland I have eaten nettles, I have slept in nettle sheets, and I have dined off a nettle

01:06:45.220 tablecloth.

01:06:46.220 The young and tender nettle is an excellent pot herb.

01:06:50.080 The stalks of the old nettle are as good as flax for making cloth.

01:06:54.420 I have heard my mother say that she thought nettle cloth more durable than any other species

01:06:59.000 of linen.

01:07:01.300 You can harvest nettle shoots in spring and fall when they send a second flush of green

01:07:06.740 growth up just before the heavy frosts come.

01:07:09.960 Wear gloves or practice picking them without getting stung.

01:07:13.060 It can be done, but it takes skill.

01:07:18.540 Fresh leaves only need a tiny bit of cooking and can be eaten plain or added to quiche,

01:07:24.160 goat cheese, or made into a cream sauce.

01:07:27.180 Dried leaves can be made into a tea, which can be enjoyed safely in abundance by the whole family.

01:07:34.420 Nettle beer is an ancient traditional European preparation called small beer

01:07:39.520 and made with fresh nettle tops, dandelion leaves, brown sugar, and yeast.

01:07:44.960 This would have been consumed at mealtimes as a mildly alcoholic tonic beverage.

01:07:51.600 Thank you for listening, and I hope you enjoyed this segment.

01:07:54.820 questions or comments email bulkmom at protonmail.com

01:07:59.320 may you be steadfast in your struggle

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01:08:05.560 blot an boden 0.99

01:08:07.420 it is for this we fight

01:08:24.820 okay welcome back everyone thank you for uh for hanging in there with us and uh thank you to

01:08:31.160 volk mom for the excellent segment on stinging nettle and i hope everybody took the opportunity

01:08:36.940 to uh pause the recording and go check out the that wardroona talk um song i was talking about

01:08:42.700 before the break um we're back again with uh matt flavel fly flayvel sorry about my pronunciation

01:08:49.340 there um from the asatru folk assembly can you say your title again for us matt um i'm sure

01:08:56.300 it may be the first time that people have heard that title and maybe you could tell us exactly

01:09:01.040 what is the direct translation of it you bet all's hair yard gothi and it's kind of from the

01:09:07.880 root all's like everyone's uh hair yard the warriors like the all warriors or all warring

01:09:15.640 gothi okay and a gothi i mean and a gothi basically uh for any listeners that aren't

01:09:24.640 familiar with house are true a gothi is basically a a priest of of the the germanic gods um

01:09:31.960 comes from the same root as as goth or the words for gods yeah it's it's interesting it's it's

01:09:40.060 something that um i know that a couple times it's come up on our show where um

01:09:44.800 we've we've sort of come to the conclusion that we wish we had a gothi um available to us to sort

01:09:52.740 of answer some of our ponderings and um yeah it's i mean that's the whole point of what we're doing

01:09:59.180 is to sort of draw more people in and um and introduce them to some of the the customs and

01:10:04.360 the ideas uh in a sort of user-friendly kind of way so um and now we got you on speed dial

01:10:11.980 yeah now we got you on speed dial so that's awesome but um we okay so there's a couple

01:10:18.380 questions i handed out a question i wanted to ask uh before the break about the you know

01:10:22.980 asked it through in the perspective the greater perspective of indo-aryan um spiritual consciousness

01:10:28.760 um but i think the first thing i want to address now after the break is um

01:10:33.740 uh what like you know we presume i mean and the whole reason that we're doing this is because we

01:10:41.520 want to welcome people in who may be sort of on the fence or are considering these ideas for the

01:10:46.620 first time or maybe they've you know they've got a feeling like it's something that resounds with

01:10:52.280 them but they have no idea how to bring this into their lives and you know for many of us you know

01:11:01.640 we're growing up or we live in places where there are no other practitioners of asset through

01:11:06.940 especially um and they might be the one person that they know or the one family that they know

01:11:13.900 who are considering doing these things and and learning more and um i guess you know i'm speaking

01:11:21.740 from personal experience i mean i'm i'm by myself out here i joined the the afa i uh and you know

01:11:28.140 i've got a membership going um and i've tried to branch out a little bit here and there and but

01:11:34.220 But still, I remain, as far as I'm aware, like one of the only people in my region that is

01:11:38.900 practicing. And so for me, the whole thing has been sort of to make it a family ritual,

01:11:46.840 because I, you know, of course, my first, the immediately, the people that are immediately

01:11:53.220 available to me are my own, my own children and my wife, and we can practice this stuff

01:11:58.260 together and and form our own little uh you know community um of course what we want to do is sort

01:12:04.740 of reach out and find more people that can form a broader network but i think it starts with the

01:12:10.560 individual right like it's going to start with that family or that one person who is looking at

01:12:15.800 the world and seeking spiritual answers um and has maybe you know maybe they've read into the

01:12:23.620 edda's a little bit or uh maybe they've sort of dipped a toe in some of um stephen mcnellan's

01:12:30.040 writings or uh you know maybe all they've done is sort of um you know read some of the pagan

01:12:37.720 general posts on 4chan and like really that's all they know of of our um customs and the religion

01:12:45.960 and so i my question i guess to you matt is like someone who's on the cusp like that someone who's

01:12:52.640 who's coming to ask the through for the first time and considering um bringing getting more involved

01:12:59.760 what can you tell that person you know what does that through folk assembly have to offer that

01:13:04.000 person and what do you think their first steps are if they're just by themselves sort of in the

01:13:09.600 wilderness you know how do they how what do you think that the is is going to make it um

01:13:17.360 you know, make them most comfortable, you know, bringing themselves and their families into the

01:13:23.940 fold? Well, there's a couple different answers I have for that. One of them may seem a little

01:13:30.600 bit self-serving, but I genuinely think it's the best plan. I would encourage anyone who finds

01:13:35.760 themselves there, look into the Austro Folk Assembly, go to our website. If you agree with

01:13:42.720 our Declaration of Purpose and our Statement of Ethics, then join up. And, you know, even before

01:13:49.040 that step, if you want, talk to your folk builder. We have a map of where we have folk builders

01:13:53.520 and we've got them throughout the United States and at different parts of the world

01:13:57.560 and reach out to them and they can give you some guidance on what to do or where there's groups

01:14:02.320 getting together doing things. I can't emphasize this enough, but this religion has always been a

01:14:08.980 communal religion. It's been the faith that was celebrated by your tribe and your clan and your

01:14:16.040 community. And I think getting out there and actually interacting with folks is the best way

01:14:20.780 to really feel what it's all about. And luckily, they may not be everywhere, but if you're willing

01:14:27.180 to drive a little bit, you can get to an AFA event. You can get to an AFA meetup and you can

01:14:32.340 actually meet some of these folks i think that's the best way um the other option is if that's not

01:14:40.460 the route you want to go and you don't want to join the afa or it's you're just not ready yet

01:14:44.880 which is cool i think the first thing you should do is reach out to your ancestors you know make

01:14:54.960 in your own quiet place whatever you've got if you've got an altar in your house if you got a

01:15:00.460 special place out in the woods go you know raise a beer to your ancestors and just try to re-establish

01:15:09.660 those connections and really focus on that and i think that helps get your life get your life right

01:15:14.160 and you in a spot to really receive the truths of the gods and take what you're doing seriously

01:15:20.460 i think i would advise you to read up on what you can and even if it's not with the afa if you can

01:15:26.160 find other folkish also true are near you you know maybe they're two three hours away but it's worth

01:15:31.060 the drive go out and actually meet them actually do also true there's a big divide between the

01:15:37.160 folks that just read the stuff and are academics and the folks that actually practice our religion

01:15:44.120 and it makes a huge difference when you when you've experienced both of them the difference

01:15:48.580 is very very clear uh i'll i'll just say join join the afa um uh partially because uh i mean

01:15:59.660 matt flavel is awesome i saw a facebook photo of him he basically like fits the definition of chad

01:16:06.980 like the the dude lifts he was he was drinking protein during break and come on he's got like

01:16:14.200 the title of of chad warrior pope so join the ffa chad flabel and the virgin other three hosts

01:16:22.060 now uh matt you mentioned your website you guys are still using uh runestone.org correct

01:16:30.820 yes okay for the listeners again that's runestone r-u-n-e-s-t-o-n-e.org

01:16:39.000 yep and on there's got links to our contacts it's got links to our kindreds it's got you

01:16:47.880 know a map of where you fall within you know our regions it's a really valuable website it's also

01:16:52.920 got a blog there um yeah a lot of information and like i say it's got those foundational documents

01:16:59.820 the declaration of purpose and the statement of ethics i think those really give you an idea of

01:17:03.880 what we're about as an organization um i'm not i'm not sure how much of this you could just uh

01:17:12.480 um pull off the top of your head uh but what what would be a summary of your your statement

01:17:19.880 of purpose um and and your your sort of vision for the organization as a whole

01:17:25.300 um i i mean are you asking me to generalize our vision or are you asking for kind of a

01:17:35.700 rundown of our declaration of purpose yes either okay all right well the vision basically is to

01:17:46.700 bring all of our folk

01:17:48.620 home to our ancestral

01:17:50.940 faith of Austatru.

01:17:53.280 How we go about doing

01:17:54.960 that is

01:17:55.740 through our declaration

01:17:58.880 of purpose.

01:18:03.200 Also with that vision

01:18:04.900 is not only to bring all our folk home, but in a

01:18:06.900 very real and tangible way to make

01:18:08.620 Austatru a real thing

01:18:11.000 that folks do.

01:18:12.540 Have local things in your community

01:18:15.140 to where you can go to Hoffs, where you can go to a local kindred,

01:18:19.240 and it's treated as a real religion.

01:18:21.920 We're at a point now where we need to evolve away from, you know,

01:18:25.500 a Viking-themed party in your backyard to doing real church things that real churches do.

01:18:31.280 And that's really important to us.

01:18:32.940 Basically, our Declaration of Purpose is, we got nine points of it.

01:18:38.300 The first one is to practice, promote, and develop, and to sit down. 0.66

01:18:42.420 I apologize to practice, promote, develop, and disseminate the religion of Alcetru.

01:18:48.100 The second one is the preservation of the ethnic European folk and their continued evolution. 0.98

01:18:54.020 Third one, issuing a call to all our brothers and sisters of the ethnic European folk to return to this, their native religion, way of life.

01:19:03.080 Four, the restoration of community, the banishment of alienation, and the establishment of natural and just relations amongst our folk. 0.80

01:19:12.420 Fifth, the promotion of true diversity amongst the peoples and cultures of the Earth.

01:19:19.420 Sixth, the fostering in our people of a deep sense of responsibility and self-reliance.

01:19:24.420 Seven, the use of science and technology for the well-being of our people while protecting

01:19:29.420 and working in harmony with the natural environment in which we live.

01:19:33.420 Eighth, the exploration of the universe in keeping with the Faustian instinct of our kind.

01:19:39.420 and nine the affirmation of the struggle of life welcoming the challenge of that struggle

01:19:44.800 and living life wholly and with joy and facing eternity with courage yeah those those are all

01:19:53.180 great and i just want to sort of really draw um our listeners attention to it anyone who really

01:19:59.580 considers themselves interested in in the concept of of preserving your your own race um and making

01:20:08.140 sure that you don't die out as a cultural and an ethnic people right there in the state in the

01:20:14.940 declaration of purpose the preservation of ethnic european folk and their continued evolution

01:20:19.980 that's that's pretty much the 14 words right there so um definitely get in on this

01:20:27.660 not not only that but just just everything that makes us great as a people the faustian instinct

01:20:40.560 that sort of god god's given spark that that wisdom to to wander and to seek new horizons

01:20:48.060 you know it's it's not it's not just that that we as as whites need need to exist it's that we

01:20:56.440 need to preserve what makes us us and to to retain everything that makes us unique and in doing so

01:21:05.140 as you say preserve the only way you prove you preserve diversity global diversity of peoples

01:21:12.980 is by making sure that everyone really embraces what makes a folk a folk and to have a sort of

01:21:24.060 spiritual understanding about that is just invaluable and and to have that be the foundation

01:21:33.840 upon which your religious organization is built upon you you just don't find that anymore in

01:21:40.440 especially not in the abrahamic religions absolutely absolutely

01:21:47.760 now there was

01:21:51.240 unless you guys had any

01:21:53.680 follow ups on that

01:21:55.200 I believe

01:21:57.040 Lee you mentioned that you wanted to get into some

01:21:59.660 of the Indo-European aspects

01:22:01.420 and now with the Astro Folk Assembly

01:22:03.720 I understand that

01:22:04.940 they prioritized the Germanic

01:22:07.600 and specifically the Nordic pantheon

01:22:09.840 because that is by far

01:22:12.000 where our best records exist

01:22:13.980 but

01:22:15.500 there were also some people I believe

01:22:17.520 who are interested in the broader Indo-European scope.

01:22:21.720 Matt, do you have any thoughts on that?

01:22:25.340 Yeah, it's kind of a broad range.

01:22:27.160 I've got a lot of thoughts on that, actually.

01:22:29.300 One of the most important thoughts that I have on it,

01:22:32.040 when people get involved in this,

01:22:34.800 they immediately see and think Vikings.

01:22:37.780 And those people, while very important, very cool,

01:22:43.040 we all like Vikings,

01:22:43.920 they're a very small snapshot of a belief system that stretches back to the very dawn of our people

01:22:51.020 and uh you know when you think back on our spirituality it didn't just start with the

01:22:56.920 viking age it goes back into the deep depths of the aryan peoples into that ancient history it

01:23:03.360 didn't just start with some viking one day it's the spiritual story of our existence from the

01:23:09.740 very dawn of history all the way until the future as long as there's people of our folk

01:23:15.740 in existence we're all part of that continuing religious tradition absolutely i think one of the

01:23:23.080 very prominent aspects of this and this is actually something i intended to bring up with

01:23:27.640 two eyes is um the government or the governance of rome was and the uh in the republic age was

01:23:37.100 largely due to the fact that people and representatives

01:23:41.020 very much feared the wrath of Jupiter if they were not

01:23:44.060 honorable in their actions with their subjects.

01:23:48.540 So I certainly agree. It's a long-standing and

01:23:52.280 invaluable tradition of our folk.

01:23:57.340 And at the same time,

01:23:59.200 I would say that the pantheons

01:24:04.720 are very similar because the Aryan spirit, despite, you know, national and ethnic differences,

01:24:10.780 it sort of has the same broad strokes.

01:24:13.900 So you can call Odin, Zeus, Perun, Jupiter, Louisville, very much similar concepts all

01:24:23.240 throughout Europe.

01:24:27.140 For me, this is what drew me into this in the first place, is, you know, the absolute

01:24:34.660 I think it's from one of Stephen

01:24:36.820 MacNellan's writings I forget which book it is

01:24:39.100 but he's talking

01:24:40.760 about how you know at

01:24:42.760 the time when

01:24:43.860 maybe I'm

01:24:45.820 remembering wrongly who the author of

01:24:48.700 this piece was but in one of the books

01:24:50.440 the main books that are sold

01:24:52.840 on the AFA

01:24:54.580 website and you know there's a

01:24:56.040 chapter in

01:24:58.400 at the beginning of one of these

01:25:00.000 sort of primer volumes

01:25:02.400 where the author

01:25:04.640 is describing you know that search for spiritual um understanding and a connection with the gods

01:25:11.380 and having um attended um you know in the 60s i believe you know a bunch of native american rituals

01:25:18.760 and the you know the leader of this uh ritual eventually coming to them and saying you're not

01:25:25.580 going to find what you're looking for here you have to drink from your own well um and you know

01:25:32.260 And that chapter has been with me ever since I read it the first time.

01:25:37.600 And what strikes me as most powerful is this concept that, you know, our understanding of the universe, it's like even if the Eddas had never been recorded or any of our knowledge of the universe was totally wiped away,

01:25:59.000 my concept of it is that this exists in our the this exists in the archetypal you know

01:26:07.360 arian understanding it's in our dna this understanding of the universe and how

01:26:12.460 how we relate to the world around us and you know if all those stories were were um somehow had been

01:26:19.080 wiped away and we never had access to them i think that we would have invented these things

01:26:23.560 ourselves, um, over time. And we may have given them slightly different names and forms to those

01:26:30.460 myths, but I believe that those myths would have come back, um, just because they, they come from

01:26:37.440 our, they basically stem from our genetic memory. Um, yeah, I think, I think you're remembering

01:26:44.100 correctly. That was Stephen McNallan, um, in his book, uh, also through a native European,

01:26:49.840 spirituality um and though we've talked about mcnellan in previous episodes he he is the uh

01:26:56.040 the founder of the afa um the the individual that uh matt flavel took over for um and yeah he he

01:27:05.080 he used to be he was searching for for a new spiritual system and he was you know trying to

01:27:11.600 intrude on a 0.99

01:27:13.900 on a Native American 0.88

01:27:15.720 ritual

01:27:17.080 as you say he said no you have to

01:27:20.000 you have to drink from the well

01:27:22.060 of your own people 0.99

01:27:22.920 and I think you're also right

01:27:25.720 in that there are sort of

01:27:27.500 archetypal concepts

01:27:29.280 that even though

01:27:32.020 we don't have direct

01:27:34.200 contact with

01:27:35.920 the gods

01:27:36.840 those gods

01:27:39.300 are are represented in sort of um archetypes that i mean really read read carl young to get a better

01:27:47.780 idea of what archetypes are um and it's really hard to to sort of put your finger on where the

01:27:55.100 archetype um uh begins and where where the god begins and where where the blurring is but either

01:28:02.700 either way uh the gods are they they have um a sort of common root meaning uh and and i think

01:28:12.860 whether whether you call it um uh odin or or whatnot um they're they're real and they're

01:28:21.760 relatable to to someone who would you know like like you say worship jupiter not not because

01:28:28.120 those gods aren't real um concrete deities and entities but because we have archetypes which

01:28:37.120 are related to the gods and which give power to the gods no what i'm saying is that because they

01:28:42.580 are real they live within us they are part of us and we we descend from them directly and so

01:28:48.600 it's it's only natural that um um you know that we we just that's why we feel this harmony with

01:28:57.460 this uh these stories and this this uh you know these codes of conduct and um

01:29:04.740 our virtues um that are outlined i mean these are things that men have created the you know

01:29:11.360 the nine noble virtues and such but it's not like they they didn't just i mean in a manner of

01:29:15.880 speaking i guess they pulled them out of thin air but through meditation and in harmony with the

01:29:21.540 the concepts which are innate to the european people and um yeah it's always hard for me to

01:29:28.180 explain to people yes i believe in odin the god and yes i believe in wotan the jungian archetype

01:29:35.580 i mean those those two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive um and rather than just sort

01:29:42.500 of bumble around that concept what do you think about that matt like some someone approaches you

01:29:47.760 and says like do you really believe that odin is you know riding across the sky on a on an

01:29:53.980 eight-legged horse you know what what do you say to to those who would challenge um uh literalness

01:30:01.040 of your belief i first i don't think that our myths were ever meant to be literal truths

01:30:11.260 that concept is not a concept of our people that's an abrahamic concept

01:30:16.560 our faith has always been literary devices that teach truths with with a big t they're not meant

01:30:25.420 to be you know a reporter documenting an event they're meant to show us in a way that we can

01:30:31.500 visualize the truths of the cosmos and the truths of the divine do i believe that you know when i

01:30:39.580 do bloat to odin that there is someone there that hears what i am saying that embodies all of those

01:30:46.000 things we believe odin to be to be absolutely do i feel i exchange in energy with the all father

01:30:52.820 and he exchanges it back with me and the the assembled folk absolutely do i think it's an

01:30:58.520 old guy with a beard and you know one eye sitting on a throne somewhere with some wolves and some

01:31:03.200 ravens no that picture just that picture tells me who odin is that picture isn't a you know a

01:31:11.720 a crime reporter's

01:31:15.300 sketch of something.

01:31:18.300 Yeah.

01:31:19.180 Yeah, kind of an appeal that I think helps

01:31:21.400 is if any of you, or if any of

01:31:23.400 our listeners have ever read the Iliad,

01:31:25.300 that was based on a historical war

01:31:27.340 in very antiquitous

01:31:29.020 Greek history, and it makes

01:31:31.300 appeals to, as was mentioned

01:31:33.320 with Tiwaz, not just the

01:31:35.300 warring forces, but the numinous concepts

01:31:37.200 of their fate that was doing

01:31:39.180 battle with one another, and

01:31:41.160 there are, you know, direct stories within that epic of the gods helping, assisting with

01:31:48.500 one side or the other based on the moral fiber of them. So you can see, you know, there were

01:31:55.520 these records, not perhaps of Zeus coming down and striking the Trojans, but of something

01:32:01.520 very much like that expressed through the fate and through the will of the Aegeans in

01:32:06.680 that case that's just one example of course there are there are those all over uh pan-european

01:32:16.640 pantheons and i don't mean to single out that one specifically it's just a very well-known one that

01:32:21.880 i think helps no i think that um from what i've seen you know we've got we've had a guest on the

01:32:28.440 show uh perquundus who is like a very young guy he's only i believe 19 who and he's just like

01:32:36.020 voluminously well read on um you know the sort of the pan-european uh you know uh the pantheon of

01:32:45.780 of indo-aryan um religious faiths and it just it strikes me that like the there is a huge um

01:32:54.260 growth of um paganism generally um from that perspective of of indo-european um the broader

01:33:03.880 indo-european and um within the youth you know you know you're you're 18 to 25 year old um

01:33:12.120 you know very young men who are um coming into the fold and they you know of course they've

01:33:17.800 they find a need for spirituality and and seeking spiritual meaning um and and of course they find

01:33:25.400 that um you know the the options that are are the standard options which are available to them

01:33:31.960 in the churches and so on are not um typically um in harmony with what they know to be the truth of

01:33:40.520 their their uh you know their experience of life and of um you know spiritual matters so um i think

01:33:47.960 that that's the cause that like we've got a huge we've got a large number of people coming into

01:33:52.680 paganism as a general concept um who are very young and who are sort of taking this big umbrella

01:33:58.600 approach uh sort of seeing it as it relates to our origins um and all the sort of the cross-cultural

01:34:09.480 um you know pagan um comparative you know religion and and so on and um i just think

01:34:18.680 it's fascinating and it's it's a it's amazing to see it sort of taking shape and it's really

01:34:23.080 encouraging for not only just for the afa but for um you know that that uh rebirth of the natural

01:34:30.820 order you know hopefully uh you know to put it in the vedic sort of frame you know like people

01:34:37.920 have talked about coming out of the kali yuga you know the dark age of the uh of um you know

01:34:44.640 the iron age where where knowledge is lost you know and and there's there seems to be a lot of

01:34:51.560 um thought in paganism right now that you know essentially we are coming out of that that dark

01:34:57.640 uh age and um i think it's only natural that um you know that people will be seeking you know a

01:35:07.420 a true connection with their ancestral um spiritual heritage as a result so yeah i've i've been i've

01:35:15.620 been interested in i mean was was more interested in the earlier in my life in the greco-roman

01:35:22.260 pantheon um also got interested in the indo-aryan um uh uh and hindi aspect of things but

01:35:32.880 at the end of the day you got you gotta come to a place where people are building real communities

01:35:39.600 because that's where the gods sort of express their essence and their will.

01:35:46.840 And they, through us, they gain power and we gain power through them.

01:35:52.660 So anyone that really is sort of creating a community, family, and folk around spirituality,

01:36:00.360 at the end of the day, that's where I'm going to go and that's where I'm going to get my power.

01:36:04.780 And that's where some of the legitimate claims of Christianity are.

01:36:09.160 like the yes you know i'm sure jupiter and zeus are interesting but you know you there are no

01:36:17.240 churches to to zeus but now thanks to the afa there actually are um spiritual communities and

01:36:25.860 even spiritual places of worship um i was wondering uh matt could you could you talk about uh hoffs

01:36:32.080 um uh i believe you uh just did a project on building one um what was that what was that like

01:36:40.240 absolutely um well didn't build one per se but we acquired a half two years ago we bought an old

01:36:48.560 grange hall i'm not sure if you guys are familiar with the grangers but they're an organization

01:36:53.920 largely we're selling off a lot of their buildings so we're able to find a really good deal on this

01:36:58.320 whole building built in 1938 and it met our needs perfect uh you know had a big hall we could meet

01:37:06.600 in industrial kitchen that you know we could feed all of our folks in because feasting is so

01:37:13.740 important to you know addition to do it really was a perfect find sheila mcnallan just poured 0.69

01:37:20.340 her efforts into trying to find this place and so finally we were able to to get this spot figured 0.67

01:37:26.000 out. And with the generous donations of our folk, we were able to raise quite a bit of money to put

01:37:30.980 a down payment on it. So, you know, looking at Ausatru over the last 45 years, it's always been

01:37:37.580 the dream to get land and get a Hoff and a real Hoff. There've been a lot of people that have,

01:37:44.760 you know, built a structure in their backyard or a relatively small structure and used it

01:37:48.940 for their own personal Hoff and a place of worship. And those are fantastic. Please don't

01:37:55.060 get me wrong but this building is is like what you'd want to see as far as as far as a real

01:38:00.800 church that you'd go to somewhere and having that having that solid real place that's holy sacred

01:38:07.960 ground of our own it's very profound if you can go there feeling that you get finally having that

01:38:15.820 spot that's ours it's hard to describe if you haven't been there but i encourage folks to make

01:38:20.480 that trip out sometime. It's really a special thing. The AFA would really like to get hoffs

01:38:26.600 all over. One of the things that a lot of folks do is every kindred of three or four guys in

01:38:32.020 their backyard, the first thing they want to do is let's buy some land and let's get some boards

01:38:38.220 and mail them together and build a hoff. And it's a lot more work than I think a lot of people

01:38:43.800 realize i genuinely believe the fastest route get a hof in your area is to help the afa with the 1.00

01:38:52.480 hofs that we're starting because as soon as we get this one down as soon as it's paid off we're 0.99

01:38:57.320 going to be looking at that hof number two after that number three and there's no end in sight into

01:39:02.360 how many we'd like to build to where we have a place of worship in as many places as we can

01:39:07.800 where we have folk trying to honor our God.

01:39:12.480 Oh, go ahead.

01:39:15.200 I was going to say,

01:39:16.600 where would Hoff number two and number three theoretically be?

01:39:21.860 And the basis for that question is regionally,

01:39:26.700 where are your strong points

01:39:28.760 just in case someone might be in a hotbed of kindred activity

01:39:34.920 and not know it?

01:39:35.720 well you know these kind of things change over time as things progress so depending on how long

01:39:41.440 it takes us to pay off the half we have now the landscape could change to where we have very strong

01:39:46.680 communities i can't say for certain where we where we build the second half a lot of things have to

01:39:52.320 do with what kind of support structure we have in the locality as far as people will be able to

01:39:56.060 maintain it and also where we can find the best price and the best value for for our investment

01:40:00.960 If you're looking for where we've got the most active regions in the AFA right now, certainly in Northern California, we've got a very active region, followed by Virginia, North Carolina area, what we call the AFA's Upper South, which is like Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, North Carolina there, Maryland too, I believe.

01:40:25.580 We have really, really strong growth there over this last year, year and a half, and it's been really impressive to watch.

01:40:32.160 Another area that's a fantastic area for us these last couple of years has been what we call the Northern Plains, kind of the Dakotas and then Minnesota.

01:40:41.840 Tremendous activity there.

01:40:43.120 I just returned from an event up there, Fall Fest in Minnesota.

01:40:46.680 Fantastic.

01:40:47.500 A ton of people came out, and they're some of our very best folk.

01:40:50.480 uh maybe surprising to some folks one of our up and coming regions that's really cool is is sweden

01:40:57.060 we've got quite a few members now in sweden our folk over there our folk builder over there anders

01:41:01.840 nilsson he is he has really built quite a quite a group from for himself over the past i'd say

01:41:08.200 year now so that's really impressive to watch that grow well they need it they do and and that's one

01:41:18.280 of the other things over there i'm really happy a lot of efforts we've had in europe in the past

01:41:23.060 the people have seemed uh fairly fairly subdued and fairly uncomfortable with folkishness and uh

01:41:32.560 a lot of the fight i think has been beaten out of those people in sweden our folk over there are

01:41:37.280 very strong they absolutely get it they're strongly folkish they're not afraid to take

01:41:42.400 a stand for their people and it's it's really something cool to see so um

01:41:50.920 let's see how do i approach this question because i believe one one of the goals of

01:41:59.880 a religion is to protect its people to protect its um its flock as it were to use a christian

01:42:08.320 word um however when when your people are being threatened um and your religion and your culture

01:42:16.420 are being threatened um what what do you what do you do as because because you know our our

01:42:25.580 our ancestors probably didn't have as much of a uh a division between um religion and politics

01:42:32.920 For them, it was just how you lived your life and how you interacted with the world.

01:42:38.580 But now we do have this sort of division where one must not touch the other.

01:42:45.240 So, for example, your guy in Sweden, if he sees the government trying to crack down on his kindred or his people, and if he sees invaders doing very bad things to his folk,

01:43:11.100 I mean, what sort of a recourse do you have as far as trying to support people without sort of infringing on the political neutrality of your position in that nation?

01:43:29.820 Well, and the answer is something.

01:43:36.640 What you don't do is nothing.

01:43:38.540 um the first step is acknowledging that your people are a thing and that that there's something

01:43:47.180 in your folk and from there it depends case by case on what you do um one of the things that

01:43:54.980 i think really hurts our people is their own little backyard organization that limits our

01:44:03.560 ability to look out for everybody's to take care of each other networks you to 0.99

01:44:18.180 support some people that can try yeah depend oh shit it sounds like Matt it 0.98

01:44:28.580 sounds like your connection is cutting out or your mic is maybe I'm plugging a 0.92

01:44:32.780 little bit or something we're really cutting out bad um hopefully you can jump back in in just a

01:44:38.460 second oh yeah i i was hoping that was just me um one one thing i definitely did get was um you

01:44:48.160 don't do nothing um and you definitely don't sabotage the the efforts of your of your people

01:44:55.220 One thing I was going to bring up in regards to that is in South Africa, I mean, whites there really are facing a genocide, and they are being directly attacked, not just by the government, but by, you know, the hostile indigenous quotes, finger quotes, African population.

01:45:21.320 um and and the whites there are very very christian and um what they are doing is is nothing

01:45:33.120 and very often worse than nothing because and i think this this is sort of a problem with more

01:45:39.000 universal religions is that they they say well this this is not a religion for a folk this is

01:45:47.340 not a religion for a people this religion views equally the the african and the the saudi lander

01:45:57.040 so i don't even see skin color yeah so so any any time any religion that doesn't believe in

01:46:07.460 in an identity for its people uh it it can it can create problems it's gonna eventually

01:46:16.620 become

01:46:18.400 I don't want to say parasitic

01:46:22.560 because that might be too triggering a word

01:46:24.800 but it might hold

01:46:26.820 a people back if it denies

01:46:28.680 the identity of a people

01:46:30.780 Is Matt still here?

01:46:39.460 I see him there online

01:46:40.920 but I haven't heard him chime in

01:46:42.660 for a little bit

01:46:43.260 Can you guys hear me now?

01:46:46.000 Yes, yes, we can.

01:46:47.440 All right, I've unplugged my headphone, and I'm back with you on the computer here.

01:46:51.360 Sorry for the breakup there.

01:46:53.620 I know we've moved on in the topic a little bit, but I think one of the keys to the whole do something, not do nothing,

01:46:59.980 you have to have a pride in yourself and a pride in your folk and who you are and where you come from.

01:47:06.980 That's true of white people, but that's true of any people.

01:47:10.400 there's a dignity in honoring your ancestors, your gods, and your people. You have a right

01:47:17.560 to exist. Not only do you have a right to exist, but you have a right to thrive.

01:47:23.400 And you have a right to want victory for yourself and your people. You need a group of people to do

01:47:30.200 that. But the more of our people that wake up to our faith, that wake up to identifying themselves

01:47:37.080 as a group and taking pride in who they are and where they come from, the more we can begin to

01:47:43.520 stand up, stand together, and carve out a place in this world for ourselves. It's very important.

01:47:51.680 And the more we can work together, the better we can achieve that. The more we balkanize

01:47:56.600 over minute issues, the harder time we're going to have getting anything accomplished that's for

01:48:02.400 the good of our fold here here um do we want to uh segue into in the news um i actually think i

01:48:14.360 have a pretty good transition point yeah um i think it's about news time leak did you have

01:48:19.880 anything you wanted to add before no i i just want to say that we're we're on a pretty short

01:48:25.080 time now until the end um so we'll have to sort of uh pick our news topics as uh

01:48:33.160 be picky about them because we're getting on the end and um i've got an early morning tomorrow

01:48:39.160 morning so i can't hang out okay um well uh we'll we'll make uh this this transition one pretty

01:48:48.360 short because it's kind of just playing off what i was saying about um the the south african sudi

01:48:54.200 sudi landers um lenders yeah sorry swede swedelanders um there was a reversal of the

01:49:03.160 dylan ruth um church shooting uh a black guy pulled pulled and pulled a dylan roof in a

01:49:11.020 in a white church um mowed mowed someone down seven were wounded um only one was killed

01:49:18.080 um and though though we can you know sort of poo-poo christianity in general this we we still

01:49:27.420 have to sort of honor the concept of folk we can't attack our own people just because they don't have

01:49:36.220 the connection with the gods that we do far from it we often should pity um those who are still uh

01:49:45.740 slaves to a foreign foreign ideology because these would in other times be our brothers

01:49:52.080 so when they are attacked gunned down and the our our mainstream culture and media just gives a

01:50:01.700 collective shrug and tries to memory hold that hold that we cannot accept that very often

01:50:09.880 christians won't be the best defenders of themselves when they're attacked by um a member

01:50:18.000 of another race because they are afraid to say no we are a people and we have a concrete identity 0.98

01:50:26.780 and we're being attacked in a way that has nothing to do with abstract ideological concepts

01:50:32.860 we are being attacked physically attacked in real life and we are in danger

01:50:38.840 when they don't say that

01:50:41.800 we have to be willing to say that

01:50:43.840 yeah I mean not even just for

01:50:51.820 Christianity specifically for all of our

01:50:53.860 folk you know

01:50:54.640 it's not just Christians who

01:50:57.400 maybe aren't

01:50:58.700 very receptive to saying that but a lot

01:51:01.820 of the people who are victims

01:51:03.940 of multiculturalism 0.97

01:51:05.620 kind of need somebody to 0.99

01:51:07.640 say fuck multiculturalism and we as people who see and who have the strength and the courage to 0.99

01:51:14.280 acknowledge the truth have a responsibility therefore to go through with that i think this 0.99

01:51:20.920 is really important one thing i believe very strongly and we try to practice as much as

01:51:25.500 possible in the astro folk assembly is be the example be the hero we have there's a lot of

01:51:32.340 things in this world we don't have control over but the one thing we do have control over is

01:51:36.640 ourselves our actions and uh you know what we present to the world so trying each of us as best

01:51:44.300 as we can to be the best version of ourselves we can be and collectively be the best version of our

01:51:49.940 our groups we can be that really does inspire other people and it i think that's one of the

01:51:55.540 most accessible things we can do today to change our destiny better here here so i believe our

01:52:06.020 A next story on the docket was the success of the AFD.

01:52:15.800 In Germany, the AFD became officially the third most successful party.

01:52:23.020 They gained, I'll say the truth, they gained 12 point something percent of the vote and I think 13 seats.

01:52:33.880 there was a meme going around

01:52:35.940 that they gained 14% of the vote

01:52:38.420 and 88 seats

01:52:39.680 so that unfortunately

01:52:42.220 wasn't quite true

01:52:43.640 that would have been some interesting

01:52:45.380 meme magic I suppose

01:52:47.760 well I think despite coming in

01:52:50.000 slightly under that with the percentage

01:52:51.660 they got something like 94-95 seats

01:52:54.620 so

01:52:55.380 it works out again

01:52:58.140 yeah

01:52:59.540 the thing

01:53:01.940 i i i had an interest in saying though is when you suppress the um identity of people not just

01:53:10.280 um uh in in the more uh mundane aspects but the the spiritual identity of the of a people

01:53:18.400 it's going to come back the the will the faustian will to fight and struggle and find the roots of

01:53:26.920 the root of your ancestors

01:53:29.120 and your people

01:53:29.900 it can only be suppressed

01:53:33.200 for too long and if you

01:53:34.720 try and keep a lid on that

01:53:37.280 pot when it's

01:53:39.100 you know heating up

01:53:41.220 it's going to boil over and

01:53:43.100 not always in the most

01:53:45.160 peaceful of manners

01:53:49.180 so I would advise

01:53:51.100 Merkel to

01:53:51.960 give her people a voice 0.99

01:53:55.120 I'd advise Michael to get the fuck out of Dodge 0.99

01:53:59.020 but 0.96

01:54:01.080 yeah I mean there's kind of an

01:54:03.160 odinic and kind of a tear 0.92

01:54:04.800 element to this as well you know

01:54:06.900 Germany whatever people might say

01:54:09.280 about their past they've had some very proud

01:54:11.200 very strong movements and

01:54:12.920 the death of those 0.57

01:54:15.380 in a way and the death of the German spirit 0.96

01:54:17.220 which ensued from that

01:54:18.520 sort of indicates

01:54:20.900 a

01:54:21.580 an ascension to Valhalla if you will

01:54:24.900 But at the same time, the great injustices which have been done to Germany and their history for at least the past hundred years or so, slightly over, has basically been just a long and ongoing series of injustices.

01:54:40.700 And I think that we are about to see sort of a quite a reverse on that.

01:54:47.120 You know, that was Jung's whole concept, whole concept with the Wotan essay is that, you know, the Germanic spirit wants to be as benevolent as possible, but as malevolent as needed.

01:54:59.060 So the AFD, it made some slight gains and it seems calm now. 0.74

01:55:04.220 But we've also seen that it has a lot more room to grow for one thing.

01:55:09.780 second largest gains were made by the German Libertarian Party, and we've seen what happens

01:55:14.760 to Libertarians when they kind of stew in their own ideas for two or three years. And also,

01:55:20.440 a lot of our gains are coming from the CDU, or the Cuxervative Party, and they're still in the

01:55:27.860 lead. So, AFD, I think, has the potential to be a dominating force in Germany within the next

01:55:35.220 decade and not only that but they're also they're also purging or self-purging even some of the

01:55:43.380 cuck aspects leaving of their own accord uh particularly as we've seen with foik petri

01:55:49.800 um yeah i don't it's a very in-depth topic and we're kind of running low on time so if you guys

01:55:56.940 uh had anything else you wanted to add on that go right ahead i'll i'll just quickly plug um

01:56:04.060 the Wotan Network by

01:56:05.640 Stephen McNallan

01:56:06.960 just google it

01:56:09.540 the wolf age 0.72

01:56:10.980 is upon us and Wotan

01:56:14.080 is awakening and we are

01:56:16.120 going to be there to

01:56:18.060 sort of guide

01:56:20.300 that reawakened

01:56:22.460 spiritual energy

01:56:23.480 hail

01:56:24.060 alright

01:56:28.660 did we have a third on the docket

01:56:32.120 one other thing I had was

01:56:34.000 we can maybe get something from this NFL thing.

01:56:37.760 Obviously, you know, proud nationalists

01:56:40.860 maybe aren't too sympathetic to either side of this issue

01:56:44.400 and we're maybe most primarily interested

01:56:47.900 with just kind of watching the whole thing burn.

01:56:50.080 But I think there's also an underlying motif in this

01:56:53.220 as to the importance of recognizing the symbols of your own folk.

01:56:57.980 And we're seeing a lot of concept

01:57:00.020 because there have been tried to make unifying symbols, universal symbols,

01:57:07.360 and just hoisting symbols to people whom they don't belong.

01:57:12.560 And we're seeing a disastrous effect of that.

01:57:15.540 We're seeing that it's ultimately going to collapse.

01:57:19.320 And yeah, that's pretty much it.

01:57:23.760 That's why we emphasize drinking from our unwell, so to speak.

01:57:27.120 i think um what is happening with the nfl is wonderful because it's been said very often

01:57:34.940 that that fans become fanatic and then sort of have a sort of religious ecstasy with certain

01:57:43.680 games and and it's always described in in in a in a sort of spiritual way that some fans have

01:57:51.580 connection with with these players who have no connection with you or your ancestors or even

01:57:58.940 as we are now seeing with your culture so what we had was a certain subversive inter-tribal

01:58:09.280 element within our culture that took away our identity and our ability to say we are a people

01:58:17.360 we have a culture and a belief system and a spiritual system we were not allowed to have

01:58:23.580 that anymore at least nothing authentic but they did give us fake substitutes um fake idols as it

01:58:32.080 were and the nfl was part of that they you you were allowed to glom on to a team and that was

01:58:40.220 your your identity your spiritual identity and that that is a that is dying our fake gods

01:58:49.140 are are being um discarded by our people and uh i think that is um something to be uh celebrated

01:58:59.740 absolutely

01:59:02.220 lee you've been kind of quiet for a while anything in the news that you want to specify

01:59:08.460 well um i mean the one thing that really brings it back to the tier run for me is just that uh

01:59:16.700 the nordic resistance movement in sweden had a big rally um on saturday and of course they

01:59:22.940 use the tier rune as their uh the symbol of their movement so um i just wanted to draw attention to

01:59:31.180 that i think that i mean um yeah it's it's amazing the developments that we see happening and

01:59:37.340 everything seems to happen so fast and uh it's almost hard to keep up with it all at times um

01:59:43.180 so yeah i'm i'm just i'm ready to move on if you guys are hail them

01:59:48.460 um okay so i guess we're at the the end of the second hour here and we're ready to

01:59:57.100 to um close out the show with our our weekly sambal um now i i have a feeling that we will be

02:00:05.580 having quite a few new listeners this week because

02:00:08.600 again, I think this should be our first episode

02:00:13.320 on the TRS radio network.

02:00:16.900 So I just wanted to say to introduce those new listeners

02:00:21.140 to this custom we have at the end of our

02:00:24.960 episodes where we do a form of a

02:00:28.380 digital sumble. A sumble traditionally

02:00:33.220 maybe I should let Matt describe it, but

02:00:35.380 um my understanding is of uh you know a ritual event wherein people gather often around a roaring

02:00:43.680 fire and um take turns um you know making a toast both boast or oath around the fire and um giving

02:00:54.060 honor to some action they've taken or something that they want to praise in somebody else in the

02:01:00.940 community or uh honoring um you know a toast to one of the gods or or somebody else of influence

02:01:08.860 and um so each of our episodes we do a digital sumble as i said and um the you know the goal

02:01:17.660 with midgard rising and our podcast has always been to um you know sort of act as a gateway

02:01:24.420 into a lot of these customs for people who might be um seeing them for the first time or or sort of

02:01:32.180 just like dipping a toe into um this way of thinking so you know our what we do here is

02:01:38.960 you know it's of course it's hard to convey the true power of a real ritual symbol you know over

02:01:46.800 a podcast in one round but um our goal here is to just sort of to to introduce people to that and

02:01:53.780 give them sort of an entry point into you know what these rituals actually look like and and feel

02:01:59.400 like um so um with that said um we take a fairly somber uh view of our symbols and put ourselves

02:02:11.020 in a in a serious frame of mind in order to um you know give the full uh you know give full

02:02:19.020 importance to you know the words that are being said each person um will make a boast of some

02:02:26.380 great accomplishment um a toast to someone who's achieved something or a god that they wish to

02:02:32.360 honor um or make an oath that they um you know they swear to uphold uh before their community

02:02:40.940 and um so normally in ensemble i believe it would go around several times um you would have the

02:02:49.480 opportunity to make you know do several rounds of of this um and yet so but yet on our on our

02:02:57.320 podcast of course we just do a single round and um we've each chosen something to um to toast or

02:03:05.740 boast about on the episode. So I'll begin this week's sumble. I think it's fitting because

02:03:15.280 I do, again, I've heard word that will be carried by the TRS radio network. So I just wanted to say

02:03:23.160 a little bit about how that is a significant thing for me. Because a few years back, I was

02:03:31.480 making my transition into alt-right politics and identity and i found references to the right stuff

02:03:38.400 on 4chan and other various places on the internet and um anyway if you're not familiar 4chan's

02:03:46.020 uh politically incorrect board is it's basically a writhing sea of opinions um verbal diarrhea of

02:03:54.080 sorts where one is able to um occasionally find pearls of wisdom i first you know through 4chan

02:04:03.100 and the posts on that board um is when i first began tuning into the right stuff radio network

02:04:08.940 and in doing so it was like passing through a veil from this stormy writhing sea of piss that

02:04:16.660 can be image board culture um wherein the you know there's a tiny diamond in the rough of uh

02:04:24.020 all of this you know writhing um you know content that's on there into clear-headed yet hilarious

02:04:33.220 worldview um at that time the trs forum was by invitation only and i used the main trs email

02:04:41.140 address to pester Sven, Seventh Son, repeatedly and lay out my case for admission. In doing so,

02:04:50.340 I was heartfelt, sincere, and was actually utterly ignored in my first several attempts to get his

02:04:56.840 attention. But I just kept at it and made a number of appeals and finally was invited by Sven.

02:05:06.340 um since then i've made friends and real life connections i've come to realize that i'm not

02:05:11.780 alone in a world gone mad i've connected with my fellow countrymen as well as with my spiritual

02:05:17.380 brethren i found ways to contribute and put my energies to use within our movement where before

02:05:24.100 this energy was spent in despair for my solitude seeing the realities of this insane world that we

02:05:31.860 live in it's now filled with hope for our people so tonight my toast is to mike enoch and seventh

02:05:39.620 son and all those who have worked to make the trs network what it is today they've walked a path

02:05:45.140 from hobby level shit posters to professionals and it has been a pleasure to be a part of their

02:05:51.780 contribution to our race tonight i honor them for creating a platform which has allowed so many of

02:05:57.220 us to connect may their paywall subscriptions flow freely to mike and sven to mike and sven to

02:06:05.160 i in fact also intended to make a toast to the trs radio network um perhaps i'm not going to go as

02:06:19.420 in depth in the history aspect but much along the same lines you know i uh i encountered them

02:06:26.980 through pull, I would be very deep in despair by now, just swimming in the black pills. But

02:06:34.340 their humor, their wisdom, their perseverance, their work, everything they've done to bring

02:06:41.620 a disaffected race generation, an entire folk to fruition, which now has guided me

02:06:53.020 to betterment through so many

02:06:55.780 aspects of my life

02:06:57.420 I also give toast

02:06:59.500 to the TRS radio network

02:07:01.300 and those who

02:07:02.400 to those who have created and sustain it

02:07:05.740 Hail

02:07:07.520 Hail TRS

02:07:09.120 Hail

02:07:10.040 So

02:07:17.000 I am going to raise a toast

02:07:20.200 to our guest

02:07:21.640 Matt Flable

02:07:22.580 um the afa under matt flavel's guidance guidance has entered a new and active era while at the

02:07:32.360 same time honoring the legacy of stephen mcnalen matt gives power to the european folk while also

02:07:41.420 giving power to the gods each each feeding the other he is a fighter proven to be so

02:07:49.840 but is also

02:07:52.280 wise and

02:07:54.100 measured.

02:07:55.900 We just did an entire episode

02:07:58.280 with him, so I'm sure

02:07:59.860 our listeners

02:08:01.520 know my reasons and agree

02:08:04.120 to a toast

02:08:05.940 to Matt Flavel, the AFA.

02:08:08.840 May Tyr give you strength

02:08:10.140 and Odin give you wisdom.

02:08:11.780 i thank you guys very much uh i'd like to raise this bottle to my host this evening

02:08:24.400 it's been an honor to be on your guys program i really like what you're doing

02:08:29.900 the level of discourse that you're having on these topics is next level and it's the depth

02:08:37.640 that I'd like to see all our folk be able to discuss

02:08:40.160 our beliefs, our ancestry, and our gods on.

02:08:44.900 It's really impressive to see you guys' program

02:08:46.720 and with your new launch with the TRS system,

02:08:49.480 I wish you guys the very best of luck.

02:08:51.900 So, hail to my hosts.

02:08:54.420 Hail to Midgard Rising.

02:08:55.880 To Midgard Rising.

02:08:57.340 To Midgard Rising.

02:09:00.680 Well, thank you very much, everyone,

02:09:02.340 for tuning in to this our 18th episode of midgard rising um you can contact us uh on our email um

02:09:13.780 which is midgard rising at protonmail.com you can find us on soundcloud and on mixcloud

02:09:21.220 possibly coming soon to some other platforms and you will very soon find us on the trs radio

02:09:29.620 network front page um thank you once again for joining in um i'm not again because of that

02:09:36.560 copyright issue i mentioned before i'm not exactly sure what i have in store yet hold on yeah i have

02:09:42.240 a solution tell me i was i was actually thinking of uh toasting you league but i decided not to

02:09:51.440 um it is uh our our uh league leagues hits his birthday um and and he's he's the one who does

02:10:01.180 who does all the uh the the technical work on this this episode without him you know i probably

02:10:08.240 wouldn't wouldn't even remember when when the episode is sometimes i still don't um so so he's

02:10:15.860 he's uh integral part to this so um i propose a bonus toast to league with closing out happy

02:10:25.500 birthday the song encore well thank you very much guys all right happy birthday to you

02:10:37.680 Happy birthday to you

02:10:41.300 Happy birthday, dear Leif

02:10:46.300 Happy birthday to you

02:10:51.420 Very good, guys. Thank you very much.

02:10:58.640 This is what they allow in TRS now.

02:11:01.700 Yeah, top-notch entertainment right here.

02:11:05.900 Fantastic.

02:11:06.500 well uh thanks a lot matt we really appreciate your coming on and um yeah what you know we're

02:11:14.220 we're sincere in what we're doing and you know the whole reason is to to help try to bring more

02:11:19.740 people into uh into asa true and um you know this the system of of thinking um you know people lost

02:11:30.800 sort of in the, in the, uh, in the darkness as it were. So, um, we really appreciate you coming on

02:11:38.260 and sort of, it lends us a little bit of credibility and, um, we're happy to promote

02:11:43.080 what, what, uh, the AFA is doing as well. Well, I really appreciate you guys having me on your

02:11:48.880 program. Like I say, it's a big honor to be here. It's honored to be able to speak to your audience

02:11:52.620 and I really like what you guys are doing. So thank you for having me.

02:12:00.800 Let's go.

02:12:30.800 We'll be right back.

02:13:00.800 We'll be right back.

02:13:30.800 I am Frau Blucher.

02:14:00.800 We'll be right back. 1.00

02:14:30.800 Lucha! 0.98

02:15:00.800 We'll be right back.

02:15:30.800 We'll be right back.

Asatru Folk Assembly - August 05, 2021

Matt Flavel on Midgard Rising (2017)

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