00:03:44.160And I went through and I read my Bible several times.
00:03:46.440And I finally decided that if this is what there is, then the God of the Bible is not someone I want to associate with and not someone I want to be a part of.
00:03:55.680By human standards, they would be a bad person.
00:04:24.480It's amazing that our, our parents and our grandparents, a lot of them don't even know,
00:04:28.320but it's up to people like us to kind of do the research and kind of bring it back to life.
00:04:33.120Yeah, and when I think about, you know, Asatru and paganism, I think it was started by our own people, right? Not just some strangers in the Middle East that we don't really have much in common with, right?
00:04:43.580Well, exactly. You asked, you know, why this is the best for our people, and it's because it's native to our people. It's not an add-on. It springs from the very folk soul, the root of our people.
00:04:56.360um the gods of the gods of altitude are the gods of our blood of our of our heritage
00:05:03.260they reflect our people and our unique way of dealing with the world the founder of the afa
00:05:09.280steven allen talks about that when he talks about metagenetics and it's the idea that your
00:05:14.740spiritual outlook and your your spirituality is passed on genetically much like your other traits
00:05:20.660you pass on so what do you think about the the claim you know that our ancestors they were just
00:05:25.740simple-minded savages you know they just ate meat and drank mead they were just uncivilized we always
00:05:31.580hear that when people think of pagans or vikings what do you think when you hear this well one of0.98
00:05:36.180the things that i'd like to clear out um that's different from the afa and you know maybe some
00:05:40.980other groups that that claim to be doing the same thing we're not viking reenactors um you know i
00:05:48.440the vikings did a lot of cool stuff i'm not going to try to tell you they didn't the vikings are
00:05:52.700me. I like them. Everybody likes Vikings. But in the same way that gangster rappers all want to
00:06:00.420wear Jesus pieces and have their blinged out crosses, they're not an example of the Christian
00:06:06.280faith. I don't think that Viking marauders are the prime example of thousands of years of European
00:06:11.920spirituality. We have a spiritual tradition that is very rich, and it dates back into Neolithic
00:06:18.420times, and to isolate it to one very, very small expression at a time where we happen
00:06:24.720to have just gotten literacy, it's kind of misleading.
00:06:29.320Yeah, I think, too, the Vikings and the various Germanic tribes, they were the source of some
00:06:33.840of our, you know, finest civilized traditions, if you will, I mean, trial by jury, parliaments,
00:06:39.380common law, right to bear arms, rights of women, right?
00:06:42.800Actually, I think the word law even comes from the Norse language.
00:06:45.820So, I mean, there's not just simpletons that didn't bring anything and just drank and ate.0.97
00:08:04.620And as always, it faces the challenges that our people face and is relevant to those challenges.
00:08:10.000Exactly. We're not talking about Wiccan witches or these so-called, you know, people practicing white magic or this modern day kind of witchy stuff, which attracts a lot of liberal feminists. It really bothers me that people, when they think paganism, they think of these witchy liberal feminist types. And it seems like they've kind of hijacked some of these fun rituals.
00:11:15.580It would never be an issue with non-whites gathering for their native religion, only when it's these European people who are preserving and wanting to honor their heritage and have a sense of identity.0.81
00:11:39.080um relatively recently honestly uh you know i don't i certainly don't think that was the case
00:11:46.380with our ancestors and at the the founding of australia in the united states that was never
00:11:51.360a case we were it was always a folkish thing it wasn't until so much much later that we started
00:11:56.900getting these uh what we call universalist uh australia people universalist heathen people
00:12:01.820and then then that kind of just became like i said earlier that mixed in the pot of this generic
00:12:08.060other paganism that really doesn't have a lot of form and is fairly amorphous and seems to have
00:12:14.440coalesced around self-loathing and pushing a hyper-liberal agenda. I mean, it doesn't focus
00:12:22.040mean it means a tribe, ethnic or a racial group, a nation. It's all about your ancestors, and that
00:12:28.360means blood and race, right? I mean, that's the very definition of it. It is exclusive. It's not
00:12:34.840for everyone it does and there's a certain number of people that became okay with that on some level
00:12:39.840but you know i'm having to become familiar with this whole new whole new liberal lexicon now but
00:12:46.820i guess that using using the word white to identify to self-identify or to identify our
00:12:52.540people has it triggers some folks i mean this is ridiculous i mean we really we don't owe any kind
00:12:59.520of explanation for this we just have to charge forward but what i notice isn't it mostly white0.90
00:13:04.180people that are attacking you over this? Oh, yeah. I'm unaware of any other races of people
00:13:13.180that are speaking out against this. But yeah, self-loathing other white people are the ones
00:13:21.640that are taking the biggest issue with our stance. So tell them, okay, well, why don't you go join0.85
00:13:26.520an African or Asian native religion and see if they welcome you with open arms, right?
00:13:32.540yeah apparently apparently that argument has has very little weight with them one of the other
00:13:37.620things that made them very angry is uh we didn't allow we didn't allow you know horrible comments
00:13:43.240on our page we decided our page wasn't a uh a platform for them to spew spew hatred and uh so
00:13:49.980we didn't let their comments be viewed and that incensed them how dare we not give them you know
00:13:56.660free space to post hatred and threats about us that's right it's one-way free speech when we
00:14:02.460say the truth it's hate speech but then they just have the right to be hateful as much as they want
00:14:07.020all over our platforms it's funny because i have literally had people advocating violence and death
00:14:14.280to uh to me and to to our people in the same statement of because of our hate speech because
00:14:21.960of our hate because of our hate and intolerance they were going to do this violence to us so
00:14:27.480It's amazing how they just, they can't see, like what has gone on in their head? They just can't see. I think it's just so much of this Marxist anti-white programming. What do you think?
00:15:01.700And the ostrac focusing is being proud of being a proud white organization for the advancement of our people.
00:15:09.380I mean, worst case scenario, what do these people think is going to happen?
00:15:12.380You almost want to ask them, what do you think is going to happen?
00:15:14.940I mean, what do they honestly, in their demented view of us, think that we're going to do at these meetings?
00:15:22.040Have the audacity to have a different opinion than me.
00:15:24.880And I think that in and of itself is something that's a step too far for them to be able to stomach, unfortunately.
00:15:31.700It's almost like, too, they think that we're going to be plotting some kind of genocide of other people or something there.
00:15:36.880You know, oh, too many white people getting together is going to mean that they're plotting some kind of conquest, right?
00:15:42.400Well, maybe, but I've heard in their very responses to my post suggestions that they were going to breed us out and that in a generation there wouldn't be any more white people.0.85
00:15:51.820And their advocacy of genocide seems to be to the forefront.
00:15:56.900I've been to a lot of AFA events and never have we discussed genociding any other groups of people.0.95
00:16:01.700That is correct. That is correct. Wow. Well, the other thing is our ancestors, they didn't talk about trans rights or multiculturalism or racism, did they?
00:16:13.680No, of course not. Of course not. Worrying about those, you know, those petty things is beneath them. They had other things to do.
00:16:22.900So do you think now that you're going to get kind of maybe some of these lefty types infiltrating some of your gatherings to spy and keep an eye on you guys?
00:17:24.700They're probably very well-meaning people.
00:17:26.100But the really, really vicious ones that made such a stink, I think so.
00:17:30.920I think anything short of complete and total giving up and praising of their strange lifestyles and their strange choices, anything short of that's unacceptable.
00:17:41.860I think not only do they want us to accept them, but I think they want us to praise them and champion their extreme stances and extreme behaviors.
00:17:51.320And I think that some of them, literally from what they've said to me, will only be happy when our race is no longer a distinguishable group of people.
00:19:14.260And then you have on the extreme opposite, there's probably some gay people that are like, yeah, the family unit, that is the healthy way.0.64
00:19:22.680I respect what you guys are doing, right?0.97
00:19:28.600And I think that you guys see that in the alt-right, too.
00:19:32.160You've got people that, you know, just because it's not their lifestyle or what they're doing, they can still see that healthy families and traditional families are the building block of society.
00:19:43.000Obviously, our ancestors valued them, or we wouldn't be here today having this conversation.
00:19:48.380Yeah, it's just what times are we in when just the thought of white couples making white babies is like a cardinal sin, you know?
00:19:55.160It's like looking at a gas chamber or something when you see families like that.
00:20:02.240Well, that seems to be the same thing in a lot of these people's heads, and that's unfortunate.
00:20:07.000And looking back, and I've looked back and looked over my statement over and over, there's nothing negative said in there at all.
00:20:14.180There's no slams at any other people, any other communities.
00:20:18.100There's simply a statement of things that we like and things that we support as an organization.
00:20:23.040And it's unfortunate that, you know, we can't specify things that we like without that immediately meaning some kind of hate, some vitriol towards anybody else.
00:20:33.940Yeah, it's like they want to police everyone's thoughts where you can't even do things peacefully, organizing and having your group and minding your own business.
00:20:43.440They now even want to go into those places and force you to do what they want.
00:20:49.240Well, the champions of diversity and of tolerance are anything but, and they cannot tolerate you having a different opinion than they have.
00:20:58.640That's unfortunate, and it's kind of shocking the level that they will go, like I say, there's been an abdication of violence and of preventing people's rights to have free speech and free exercise of our religious faith.
00:21:12.160It's really shocking that they don't get the disconnect between tolerance and the way that they're behaving.
00:21:18.780So what do you think the future of the AFA would look like if these people got their way?
00:21:24.440There would be no future of the AFA if these people got their way.
00:21:27.340If these people got their way, eventually there'll be no separation.
00:21:31.400And you already see this in some of the other, like I said, universalist organizations.
00:26:27.600Well, yeah, I think, I don't know, words have different meanings to different people.
00:26:31.380We certainly worship our ancestors and we worship the gods of our people.
00:26:35.340But more than that, we try to honor them and respect them.
00:26:39.660And we view our ancestors and even gods themselves to a degree as, you know, as our ancestors, as our most ancient ancestors.
00:26:47.340We try to try to live the values that they inspire in us and have always inspired in our ancestors.
00:26:53.100It really roots us in who we are, where we come from.
00:26:57.600And I think you'll find across the board that any people, when they are proud of themselves, proud of the people that they come from, proud of their identity, they function better in society as a whole all across the board.
00:27:10.440Oh, yeah. Identity is key. Without identity, you're completely lost.
00:27:13.960You can never function without having some sense of identity.
00:27:18.320Well, and at the risk of going back to the W word, I think that's why people are so offended by the birthright, because it is a way for us to specifically identify our people.
00:27:31.420And that angers a lot of people, but we can't even mention what race of people we are.
00:27:38.980That's holding us back from our identity, and that's wrong.
00:29:27.960There was no blanket system of equality.
00:29:30.500You were judged by your deeds and by your reputation.
00:29:33.920And I think they're very, very noble people.
00:29:36.900It's one of the things when we talk about the Aryan tribes of people, that's a Sanskrit
00:29:41.220word that means noble and implies shining nobility.
00:29:45.360There's a time where our people were identified by how noble they were.
00:29:49.160And then you can flip all the opposites, too, that they probably despised, and we should learn from that today.
00:29:56.500Weakness, cowardice, adherence to dogma, all that kind of reminds me of liberalism, actually.
00:30:02.680Yeah, absolutely. There was definitely things that they didn't tolerate.
00:30:06.320And the kind of shenanigans I've seen from our detractors this last week, I think our ancestors have been pretty clear in there that are disavowing of that kind of behavior.
00:30:15.880It's different because back then they could just take it out on the battlefield, right?
00:30:19.320And just settle the score right there.
00:30:52.480Well, I see a resurgence of things changing, especially in the pro-white scene and Asatru.0.84
00:30:58.440You know, more manly men are coming back and people who are more vocal and unapologetic0.61
00:31:03.380and who have courage, and that's important.
00:31:05.200And I think that's another reason why our enemies are kind of worried about us getting into our native religions and native history and learning the truth about that, because it awakens something powerful and awakens something where we're not we're not ashamed.
00:31:19.600We just charge head, charge ahead and don't care what they say.
00:31:24.900I think that's one thing that's kind of irritated them in this last week is the response has been overwhelmingly positive and successful as far as people that we would actually want to associate with.
00:31:36.020We've had support pouring in from all over the place because they felt the need to spread their outcry so far and wide that it kind of advertised the positive things that we were about to a lot of different people.
00:31:47.600So that's been a really beautiful thing that's come of it.
00:31:49.960I think our enemies are very incensed that we've been so successful.
00:31:53.920The Austria Folk Assembly is by far the most successful Austria organization, certainly in the United States.
00:33:41.000We got to do rituals in stone circles that our ancestors have done ritual in since Bronze Age, at least, in most of these places we were at.
00:33:50.840It was really kind of special because it wasn't like, you know, we weren't looking at history and observing something.
00:33:56.440We were participating in rituals that our ancestors would have understood and done something very, very similar back for thousands of years.
00:34:03.660And that was a really special experience.
00:34:19.980What we have that's more similar to that is order versus chaos.
00:34:24.420Our gods are gods of order, and the chaotic forces, be it the Jotuns or any of these other forces of chaos, are things that try to destroy that order.
00:34:37.780Our gods, they're gods of order and consciousness, and their struggle is always to beat back chaos and stay one step ahead of it, you know, one step ahead of the maw of the wolves.
00:34:49.980So that's kind of our things, and things that support order and support the structured order of society, things much like I mentioned in that post, are good things, you know, is the truth.
00:35:00.960and any things that are that are chaotic and want to tear that down tear down society tear down
00:35:06.320you know our people those are those are forces of chaos and destruction and that's that's the
00:35:11.280stuff we have fighting this it's funny because that's the one thing that lefties really worry
00:35:15.720about even with trump they were freaking out about law and order right that really freaks
00:35:20.820them out right away they start fearing fascism and nazis and they just want just total chaos
00:35:26.660all the time it seems like well I think I think they thrive on that I think
00:35:31.220especially if you're if you're dysfunctional in your own life and
00:35:35.240you're dysfunctional and you can't function in the society there I think
00:35:39.260you think you're drawn towards chaotic things the other thing is too good and
00:35:43.380evil they're not really constants right what's good in one case may not be good
00:35:47.060in another people are gonna see that differently I mean people view us what
00:35:50.640we're talking about right now is evil yeah those people are mistaken but yeah
00:35:57.300You know, our ancestors thought the great good was what was good for your people, what was good for your group, what was good for your tribe.
00:36:04.700And they saw it, you know, evil for lack of a better term.
00:36:08.860And what was bad for your people, bad for your family, and bad for your tribe by extension.
00:36:13.400That's how the AFA likes to do those kind of concepts as well.
00:36:17.060Now, what about thoughts on the afterlife?
00:36:20.980There's kind of a lot of different thoughts on our afterlife.
00:36:23.500life. And a lot of that varied from region to region in Europe. But the focus of the
00:36:28.760AFA has never been really that focused on the afterlife. Because Alistair is a life
00:36:34.100embracing religion. We're not trying to wait for the glorious hereafter. We're trying to
00:36:40.480make things glorious in the world that we live in now. We're trying to celebrate life
00:36:44.320and live a good and noble life and be remembered by our families, by our friends, for noble
00:36:51.240words and noble deeds and that life will take care of itself yeah i think it's it's about owning
00:36:56.860your own destiny making your life happen for yourself not praying for someone else to do it
00:37:02.120for you or to open up the opportunities but forging the path on your own it's about becoming
00:37:07.800the hero that's something we've talked about within the afa for a while now is living that
00:37:13.120noble life and becoming the hero doing those things for yourself making those bold stands
00:37:17.660You know, for what is known of our afterlife, heroic action was the surest way to that afterlife, be that in Valhalla or be that just in the songs and the stories of the folk.
00:37:30.380yeah thinking in terms of politics today it seems like the hero is being ripped down you know they
00:37:36.200might as well just raise up the court jester right the victim is the the highest most noble thing you
00:37:42.340can be strong and mighty is looked at something like it like it's wrong like you should be ashamed
00:37:47.600for being strong and mighty and wanting to own your destiny and be the best that you can be
00:37:52.480absolutely those things have all been pilloried in the world we live in and that's something the
00:37:58.780AFA wants to really fight against. That is the antithesis of what we're about. We're all about
00:38:03.440the hero. And we're all about each of us becoming as close to that as we can be. It's easy to feel
00:38:09.960victimized or feel downtrodden by detractors and by different states of the world. But one thing
00:38:16.760we can always do is better ourselves. That's what the AFA is all about, about making each one of
00:38:21.680our members, helping them to be better mentally, physically, spiritually, helping them to live a
00:38:27.240more noble life, have more pride in themselves, hold their head up high, and do great things.
00:38:32.400There's no downside to that. That's the one thing that we all have control over,
00:38:36.800is ways to make our individual lives better. We can do that.
00:38:41.220Absolutely. I agree 100%. And then when you guys come together as a whole, you're even stronger
00:38:45.340because everyone's managed to conquer things in their own life, right? Become the best that they
00:38:50.780can be. And that's exactly what we need in this interim instead of sitting around and playing
00:38:54.660victim and seeing what's happening out there, at least we can work on our own lives and get our
00:38:59.100own houses in order and start planning and being prepared for what's going to come ahead.
00:39:04.660Absolutely. That coming together as a group and helping each other because we've been able to be
00:39:10.060strong ourselves, that's tremendous. There's nothing I'd like better. We're all human and
00:39:15.260we have times where we need help. There's nothing I would like more than to be surrounded by a group
00:39:19.020of strong people that have been able to fix the things in their lives to help me through it when
00:39:45.080We've been able to be successful with that.
00:39:46.600So we're all about lifting ourselves up and then by virtue of being able to do that,
00:39:50.800lifting each other up, coming each other out.
00:39:52.940Yeah, I think white people have been so, especially in America, we've so been independent and on our own for so long that a lot of people are craving that brotherhood or sisterhood or community or having neighbors that they can just call up and say, hey, can you help me cut down this tree or whatever?
00:41:00.140You should be also true with how you do your job at work.
00:41:03.040You should be also true with the kind of father you are, the kind of mother you are, the kind of husband you are, the kind of son or daughter you are.
00:41:10.060You should be also true in everything that you do and every way that you do things.
00:41:13.500If you have that noble ideal in front of you, would my ancestors be honored by what I'm doing now, or would they be ashamed of me for what I'm doing now?
00:41:22.200That's a powerful way to think, and it should affect every aspect of your life.
00:41:27.680So how did our native ways or native spirituality die out in Europe?
00:41:32.460I know a lot of people say Christianity, but what are your thoughts?
00:41:36.540Well, certainly that was a big part of it.
00:41:38.820And I think inherently a lot of those values got passed on in different forms.
00:41:45.540You find that the Christian church, when it came to Europe, it drastically had to alter its way of doing things to conform to the mindset of our ancestors.
00:41:53.880You know, most of what we recognize as medieval Christianity came about by blending in a lot of our native folkways in a way that our people would accept.
00:42:03.400So a lot of the traditions stayed on and kind of laid dormant for a while, and that's important.
00:42:10.240But yeah, Christianity stomped it out, but a lot of it was people giving up a faith that was theirs, that was their cultural identity they held on to, and trading it for a universal faith that didn't come from their people, that didn't represent the things that they needed in their soul.
00:42:29.160And over time, that just kind of eroded our people, and that's given us a lot of problems that we have today.
00:42:35.180Well, thinking in terms of that, with some of those principles still kind of in Christianity,
00:42:39.160I know the Slavs, they had a dual faith for a couple hundred years, right, side by side, two different faiths,
00:42:44.200and they kind of orthodoxy merged a lot of these pagan concepts.
00:42:47.700But do you think that the Abrahamic religions have done more harm than good?0.96
00:42:53.580Yeah, absolutely, in the long term.0.99
00:42:55.360I think that you see European culture really affecting European Christianity and making it better than it otherwise would be for a while and maintaining a lot of our virtues through various ways that the church did things.
00:43:10.800But, yeah, over time, we would have been much better off if we would have been able to keep our ancestral faiths intact and develop them.0.99
00:43:18.180Who knows how much better off we would be if we didn't have that stunted growth from this foreign creed.1.00
00:43:23.560Yeah, it's interesting. I see a lot of these hard Islamic people.1.00
00:43:27.300They seem to be more concerned about paganism than Christianity.1.00
00:43:31.160I don't know if you've noticed that, but they really just go nuts about European pagans more than Christians.
00:45:39.360I think that a lot of what they do is confined to the internet and various things that they can say from the safety and comfort of their or their parents' basements.
00:45:50.280I think that when you get those groups and they do get together, I think that they probably have a pretty fun Viking-themed barbecue.
00:45:57.420But I don't think that they have the same, in my experience and from what I hear, I don't think they have the same level of spirituality at their events.
00:46:04.100And I think they're really missing that connection.
00:46:06.180And I think that's probably what you face.
00:46:08.600Maybe they're just heathen because it's anti-Christian, right? They hate Europe, and Europe they think is Christianity, so it's a way for them just to rebel against that.
00:46:18.080I think that's interesting. There's an awful lot of rebellious strain, especially when somebody first is new to Alcetru.0.78
00:46:25.420They want to throw out anything that has any Christianity associated to it, and that could be the opposition between heathen and Christian. That could be a big thing.
00:46:35.160A lot of people ask, well, how can the Norse myths help us? What can they teach us? What can you say?
00:46:41.940Well, I think that they give us a unique window into a time of our people's development. And it gives you a window into the things that they value. And the trick is being able to apply those things in a modern context. Very, very few of us get the opportunity to go get on our longboat and go raiding things.
00:47:04.320So figuring out ways to exhibit the courage of a warrior in your own life, that's a challenge.
00:47:11.260But I think that if you find ways to internalize those things, it does a lot.
00:47:16.480A lot of those myths, once you have a historical context for them, really helps you to internalize the values,
00:47:23.360the way that our ancestors saw the divine, the way that our ancestors saw our interactions with the divine,
00:47:29.480and the way that our ancestors saw their interactions with other people and with nature.
00:47:35.300So what else do you want people to know about Ossetru as we come to the end here?
00:47:40.200Well, I want you to know that Ossetru, specifically practiced by the Ossetru Folk Assembly,
00:47:49.460We're not about dressing up like Vikings.
00:47:51.660We're not about pretending and finding how historically accurate we can larp.
00:47:57.660What we're about doing is practicing the ancestral faith of our people back to the beginning of time and establishing that and practicing that in our modern world with our modern needs.
00:48:09.520It's absolutely a faith that has serious things that we talk about, serious things that we do that are relevant to modern families, modern people living in the world that we live in.
00:48:20.520It has relevant answers for people's lives and helping the betterment of ourselves individually and the betterment of our people.
00:48:27.660And tell us what the AFA has coming up next.
00:48:31.100Well, coming up next, as I said earlier, we've got Fall Fest up in Minnesota this weekend.