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00:01:36.380 commented us. DLive and YouTube for those things. Today, we have the leader of the Asatru Folk

00:01:45.120 Assembly with us, the one and only Matt Flavell on tap with us. Matt, please introduce yourself

00:01:51.140 to our esteemed community. Tell them where they can find you. And then Mr. George will take us

00:01:57.140 into the conversation. All right, guys. First, thank you so much for having me on your program

00:02:01.820 today. My name's Matt Flavell with the Ossetru Folk Assembly. I'm the Oss Harrier Goethe of the

00:02:07.920 Ossetru Folk Assembly, which is basically the high priest of the Ossetru Folk Assembly.

00:02:13.200 You can find us at www.runestone, R-U-N-E-S-T-O-N-E dot O-R-G.

00:02:22.640 And please stop on by, check out our website there.

00:02:25.200 You can also find our channel on YouTube.

00:02:30.200 Mr. George.

00:02:31.300 Sounds good.

00:02:32.140 And welcome, Matt.

00:02:33.160 It's great to speak to you.

00:02:34.720 So, yeah, we're going to be talking a lot today about community building, heritage, folkways,

00:02:40.380 as we were saying in the lead up to the show.

00:02:42.400 um we love speaking to a variety of people and regardless of anyone listening live or in replay

00:02:47.700 regardless of your spiritual or religious beliefs uh we're definitely talking about things relevant

00:02:53.240 to all european peoples and situations that we face now i'm sure as we try to do that uh there'll

00:02:59.860 be something for everyone but matt having said that uh just take a few minutes however time

00:03:06.900 much time you need to introduce yourself, some of your background, how you got to be in that

00:03:12.300 position you were in, some of what the AFA is generally about, and then we can dig in more

00:03:18.400 specifically. All right. Well, first, the Astru Folk Assembly, we just got done celebrating our

00:03:25.720 25th anniversary. This is our, so we've clocked in 26. I think this is our 27th year of the Astru

00:03:33.940 Folk Assembly, founded back in 1995. But that was on the shoulders of a predecessor organization,

00:03:41.540 the Asatru Free Assembly. So Steve McNallan's brand of Asatru, which is what we practice,

00:03:48.020 has been around since 1968 and, you know, recognized as a religion since 1972

00:03:55.940 by the United States government. We've got members in 14 countries around the world

00:04:02.740 and basically we're a church devoted to the worship of the Aesir and to

00:04:10.740 the celebration and betterment of our folk and all the things that go in that go into that,

00:04:16.980 that go into the word house to true I guess a place to start means trough to the Aesir or

00:04:23.940 loyalty to the Aesir gods and those are the Germanic Norse gods of order and so

00:04:31.700 So we practice the native religion of European peoples before the coming of Christianity.

00:04:38.720 We're a very family-friendly, family-focused organization.

00:04:44.860 Yeah, so we're doing that.

00:04:48.700 I've been involved in the AFA since many years now, well over a decade.

00:04:53.820 I've been out to true since 2001.

00:04:56.900 And when I got involved in the AFA, I really wanted to do things.

00:05:01.460 wanted to be a part of making stuff happen so i volunteered and i became the folk builder i'm

00:05:07.620 from alaska so i became the folk builder for alaska yukon territories and hawaii because

00:05:14.500 they needed somebody some place to put hawaii i guess on the map that's quite a territory quite

00:05:20.580 a territory did you ever make it over to hawaii no when i was a little kid one time i was over

00:05:25.940 there but no not in my folk building capacity but did what i can um did that for a number of years

00:05:32.420 i went to uh midsummer which at the time was the only national gathering the afa had

00:05:37.460 and midsummer in uh in the sierras and it was in this little town alta california and i went there

00:05:43.700 one year and i was hooked and i just went back to every national event i think i've missed two

00:05:48.660 national events since then, and that was 2010. Now we have anywhere between four and five

00:05:56.080 national events every year. And yeah, I just tried to attend what I could, tried to volunteer,

00:06:02.260 tried to help where I could help. Gradually over time, I became the head of our folk builder

00:06:07.460 program at the time, the folk builder coordinator. I became ordained as a gothe. And eventually,

00:06:14.740 when Steve McNallan stepped back

00:06:16.940 from his position, I ascended

00:06:19.080 to the rank of All-Sheria Goethe

00:06:20.940 back in 2016

00:06:22.800 in Midsommar.

00:06:24.600 Going back for a moment,

00:06:26.520 when you were doing the

00:06:28.820 Folk Builder, because we're definitely

00:06:31.060 as I said, we want to hit a lot on

00:06:32.820 community aspect today, family aspect

00:06:34.900 definitely dovetails with

00:06:36.440 a lot of what we're about and what we do here.

00:06:39.940 What kinds of things

00:06:40.980 were you doing? What is a Folk Builder's 1.00

00:06:43.060 life like?

00:06:44.740 well so the folk builder is kind of the the most grassroots level of leadership in the afa and the

00:06:51.060 folk builder's job is to be the face of the afa to the members or potential members in an area

00:07:00.980 but also to be the face of that membership to the leadership of the afa and to facilitate those

00:07:06.820 community uh communications and that relationship there's admin stuff behind the scenes to do with

00:07:13.380 being a folk builder but fundamentally it's finding our folk who are interested in Ausatru and if

00:07:20.580 they're suitable people that we want to have around to get them involved to get them and their

00:07:25.140 families to come out to do things to to host and to celebrate Ausatru gatherings in your area

00:07:32.580 and to get those folks connected with with the bigger AFA family nationally and internationally

00:07:39.380 So, yeah, a lot of that is, you know, making calls to people, answering questions, showing up and, you know, giving them example in real life of who we are and what we're about.

00:07:52.680 uh encouraging them on you know entry-level stuff to to read and learn to get involved

00:07:59.720 and then really importantly just encouraging the practicing of alsatru in that person's life and

00:08:05.840 you know being a real religion and a real part of their life instead of a you know an idea or

00:08:11.020 a hobby to get them out and get them actually practicing uh yeah i should say this briefly

00:08:16.920 for anyone listening now or even in replay jason and i definitely warmly welcome anyone from afa

00:08:23.400 who's here because you all know matt and you're checking our show out for the first time we love

00:08:28.440 talking to different people and having this kind of interplay um i know for myself as i was telling

00:08:34.520 matt before the show i've read stephen mcnellen's book uh and i as i became over the last few years

00:08:40.040 to understand what's going on in the world more my own heritage i've definitely found a lot of value

00:08:46.440 in looking into the folkways learning more about them as some of you may know i've shared some of

00:08:51.240 what i've learned along the way on videos uh kind of to that that and matt um so i'm getting a sense

00:08:58.360 of what you're doing as a folk builder it sounds kind of like you're in one of the capacities was

00:09:03.720 you kind of a fulcrum an interface as you were saying facing outward to the potential community

00:09:10.280 or people checking it out but then also representing that as you said back to the

00:09:14.200 leadership and the other strata within the afa so i definitely understand that you have to have a

00:09:20.600 good sense of communication and dealing with different personalities what were what kinds of

00:09:26.920 people did you find over those years in folk building well and of course now too uh who are

00:09:34.200 who come to the afa what are they what are they seeking and what are they not getting

00:09:38.120 and what kind of questions do they have about what's going on in the world

00:09:41.160 Well, so I've watched that evolve in a really good way over my time at the Astro Folk Assembly.

00:09:49.800 Initially, we had, you know, and we still draw from a wide spectrum of our people.

00:09:56.520 But initially, there was a lot of folks that didn't fit in anywhere else. And so they wanted

00:10:03.840 to give this a try. It was more like checking the other box because things didn't work other places.

00:10:09.400 And those people would come through and they wouldn't stick around.

00:10:13.880 Now, in the midst of that, we got some really great people, but we had a lot of a lot of more fringe people early on.

00:10:20.180 And this is, you know, 10, 15 years ago.

00:10:22.880 Over time, what we're seeing today in the AFA is a lot of young families, a lot of young, good looking men and women that want to start their life in a positive way.

00:10:36.840 And I think especially when they have a young family, they want spirituality and religion to be part of their life, but aren't happy with Christianity.

00:10:47.960 And so we get a lot of that nowadays.

00:10:50.560 Certainly, you know, I think we've seen this anywhere in the West and certainly here in the United States in the past maybe six years.

00:11:00.040 Everything has become shockingly polarized.

00:11:02.220 There's not really a middle ground between traditionally minded people and extreme leftists.

00:11:12.380 And so when that divide is very clear, people that are, you know, find themselves with a

00:11:18.840 traditional mindset and longing for things that our folks have valued pretty much since

00:11:24.700 the beginning of time until 2015.

00:11:27.800 a lot of those people are looking for a home and they don't find it a lot of places and they do

00:11:33.340 find it with the afa and i'm very proud to welcome so many of those people in the last few years

00:11:38.220 what about uh same general theme but specifically through the lens of the anti-whiteism that we've

00:11:48.120 seen that we know has been brewing for decades but obviously it's really reached a boiling point

00:11:54.000 recently uh anything that's a reaction to that um i know again for myself i kind of got into this

00:12:01.360 because one of the pathways i took into this in being more of a public uh spokesperson or whatever

00:12:10.080 you want to call it figure trying my best doing a little activism uh was getting as i mentioned

00:12:16.000 more in touch with heritage i wasn't i didn't really come from a political background myself

00:12:22.400 i'm not one of these people that was reading liberal philosophers and then libertarian

00:12:27.040 philosophers and then more right-wing philosophers i i personally don't even really use left-wing

00:12:33.760 right-wing things like that for myself a lot of what got me into it was either aesthetics going

00:12:38.880 on in the popular culture the war on beauty things like that were kind of proto red pills for me but

00:12:44.720 But then also, as I said, sensing and looking for things that were more eternal in our people, the spirit.

00:12:53.720 Jason has this great term that he's coined.

00:12:57.220 And he said it to me the very first time we spoke when we did an interview together that became this very show over three years ago.

00:13:04.700 I remember you saying this to me, Jason, bio spirit.

00:13:07.000 and i immediately got that because it's the wedding the mental physical and the spiritual

00:13:13.640 which i know again afa and uh what steve mcnallan has presented and kind of brought back up from

00:13:20.840 these folk faiths uh from what i know if i may say seems very much in line with what you guys

00:13:25.960 are about i like that when i read the as a true book by mr mcnallan is that it very much looks

00:13:31.400 at this holistic view of things and that very much resonates with me so looking to the things again

00:13:37.320 that are eternal in our people the characteristics the instincts that we have and how those how we

00:13:43.400 manifest our spirit into the world that was very fascinating to me to learn more to read some about

00:13:50.040 that got me personally deeper into caring about and identifying for our heritage as people of

00:13:57.720 European descent. So now that I've said my little background, maybe to give some context,

00:14:03.560 how much do you see that kind of thing from the people who check out AFA?

00:14:07.640 Huge. That's why earlier I was describing people, you know, gravitating that way as

00:14:12.840 traditional minded. There, you know, there was things that we always as a folk valued. And

00:14:19.800 until very recently, that was accepted. And what I think people have found, you mentioned for

00:14:24.680 decades but really accelerating in the past few years has been pretty much a war on anything that

00:14:31.240 you know our grandparents would have found moral and upright and valuable um and so a lot of people

00:14:39.560 have come because of that and you mentioned the the anti-white sentiment out there

00:14:44.440 when people have been you find this a lot but when people have been denied value for who they are

00:14:51.960 they become very aware that what bonds them together in that persecution is their heritage.

00:15:00.920 And so it makes them want to look into that heritage. And, you know, I think that a lot

00:15:06.620 of people have come home to the Astro Folk Assembly, but I think that the way the world has

00:15:10.380 been, they've pushed a lot of people towards looking into their ancestry and looking into

00:15:15.080 their ancestral faith. So that's been a positive through, you know, the various social changes

00:15:20.420 we've seen in the past however many years it's brought a lot of our people home because they've

00:15:25.780 seen a soulless situation on the outside and they've wanted to come into something that has

00:15:32.980 has more of what you mentioned is eternal with our folk

00:15:38.180 what do you think accounts for that beautiful turn as you were saying and we've seen this too

00:15:44.180 something jason and i have been observing um increasingly it's a great thing is that turn from

00:15:51.700 people who are a little more on the fringe which you know we do want to be

00:15:55.780 compassionate about that too because there is a sense of uh the people who are usually going

00:16:02.260 to be most open-minded to things that are outside of the mainstream have been left aside by the

00:16:07.700 mainstream for some reasons and a lot of them might be very well-intentioned people they're

00:16:12.740 They're just looking for something in their lives or they're a little lost.

00:16:16.380 Obviously, some people, it's all different situations.

00:16:20.620 Some people might not have all the social intelligence or they may have been kind of warped by certain ideas about violence and things like that.

00:16:29.080 And obviously, we can't countenance that.

00:16:30.760 We tell people, if you want to do that kind of thing, you go talk about that elsewhere, not here.

00:16:35.860 And we're here for you if you want to come back.

00:16:38.080 um but there's still that general umbrella of a kind of a fringe thing and i think we all

00:16:46.240 have a sense of what that might mean and some of the different characters you might encounter

00:16:49.920 and then there's this term that you're describing over the last few years towards

00:16:55.480 a wider swath of people who just want something wholesome and healthy in their lives and people

00:17:04.280 that want good community and they want to contribute, they want to feel their lives

00:17:08.560 are meaningful, and there's a tremendous focus on family. You said that there are children

00:17:13.380 at so many events. It's ubiquitous at all the AFA things. What do you think's accounted

00:17:20.720 for that turn over the last few years, that growth?

00:17:25.440 I think there's been a couple of different factors. If I could kind of sum up what I

00:17:29.700 think the difference is is a positive versus a negative focus i think a lot of the fringe people

00:17:36.880 that had an interest early on wanted to be also true because they're not christian or they wanted

00:17:44.380 to be also true because they're not this or they're not that what we've tried what i specifically in

00:17:52.300 my time as also you've tried very hard to do is focus exclusively on what we do like what we do

00:17:59.320 support, what we are about, the things we do value. And we found a lot of people coming here

00:18:05.200 for, to be Ausatru, not to just not be whatever it was that they were that wasn't working.

00:18:11.300 That's beautiful. I like that a lot.

00:18:13.780 And I think it's also about building instead of tearing down. We have a tremendous optimism

00:18:19.740 within the AFA now about what we can do together and the things that we can build. And it's one of

00:18:25.260 the, you know, beautiful things that we experienced during 2020, when so many things were slowing

00:18:30.600 down and being stifled by, you know, all of the things that occurred last year, we got two new

00:18:36.780 Hoffs. We had our largest gathering ever. We really came together on what we could build

00:18:41.540 within our community, even if, you know, things weren't going away we liked in the greater

00:18:47.900 community we find ourselves in. So I think that focus on positivity internally, while so much in

00:18:54.380 the world is focused on negativity has made positive-minded building people come towards

00:19:01.140 the astral folk assembly and we've really benefited from that yeah yeah i've also seen i've i can't

00:19:07.700 remember where this was but i remember listening to a live stream it might have been you with

00:19:12.920 stephen mcnalen uh i think it was at least one of you um and i think he mentions in his book

00:19:18.360 as well, if I'm not mistaken, outreach and just doing things that communities do. You find

00:19:26.000 yourself in a certain area in a certain region and you say, how can we be a beneficial presence

00:19:30.460 here? So you might show up and help at a food bank, help people who have been affected by

00:19:36.300 a certain situation in the town and maybe they're down on their luck. It doesn't matter if they're

00:19:41.320 part of your community or not. You're just going out there and saying, we want to show up and we

00:19:47.420 want to help out. What kinds of things have gone on there? And what can you tell us about that?

00:19:56.680 Well, I think certainly in recent years, at least, and probably before, but I know for a fact during

00:20:03.200 my time in leadership, we have very, very noble minded folks that want to be a positive part of

00:20:11.520 their community. And not for PR, they want to be a positive part of their community, because it's

00:20:16.660 right thing to do and we're good to people so we've seen a lot of like environmental cleanup

00:20:22.660 stuff we have a group in wisconsin that is doing adopt a highway stuff but one of the best things

00:20:29.700 that came our way was the opportunity to partner with the food bank in yuba county um where our

00:20:36.740 our first hof odin's hof is located and it's in this little town called brownsville and that area

00:20:42.420 is just ravaged every year by fires a lot of poverty a lot of a lot of people struggling in

00:20:49.780 those hills and they went around and they'd asked for help from a lot of the local churches and the

00:20:55.460 local churches weren't interested so they reached out to us and and we jumped right on it jumped

00:21:01.380 right in and i've been distributing food ever since so that's been about two and a half years

00:21:08.500 now of steadily once a month giving out food helping helping that community uh recently we've

00:21:14.500 taken that over entirely as as ourselves and uh we're two months into hosting our own food pantry

00:21:20.980 there but that's been amazing and it's i believe it's really helped the folks in brownsville it

00:21:27.380 certainly brought us closer together with the community and built a really good relationship

00:21:32.420 with them there and we're currently in the process of establishing a food-based charity in

00:21:38.500 both Murdoch, Minnesota and Linden, North Carolina, where our other two hops are located.

00:21:43.600 It was the, what I had heard about, yeah, rang a bell when you said it, was it Brownsville?

00:21:49.020 Yeah, that's what I'd heard about, the food bank there. And kudos to you all. That's a great thing

00:21:55.040 to be doing. What can you tell us then about the kinds of values that you want to engender

00:22:06.380 in people or and if you have any specific examples without obviously giving away too much personal

00:22:11.760 information about someone you know even if you've seen changes in people who kind of blossom and

00:22:17.720 open up into sharing more of their talents and um reaching more of their potential once they're in

00:22:23.740 a positive community like this and once they're able to uh not be shackled by all that guilt and

00:22:30.860 those, again, meme pathogens of all the anti-whiteism that's

00:22:35.000 around and kind of breathe easy, be around people with similar

00:22:38.720 values, be around people who aren't negative, but rather

00:22:41.680 positive about our heritage?

00:22:46.160 Well, I suppose there's two things, there's a lot of little

00:22:49.640 things, but two really big categories. One, we try extremely

00:22:55.860 hard to encourage nobility in our people and to remind them that being noble people that was how

00:23:03.860 we defined ourselves initially and going out and thinking about things in terms of what the noble

00:23:12.180 thing to do is in a given situation and lifting yourself up carrying yourself with a certain

00:23:16.820 amount of dignity and i think it dovetails with the with the other part of that which is

00:23:21.620 having an attitude towards success. I think we've all seen, you know, if we've been involved in

00:23:30.340 taking a concern for our people over the past years and decades,

00:23:35.280 there was an attitude that was very prevalent. And I think we still face a little bit of it of,

00:23:40.660 we can't win, we can't be successful. So we might as well let it all hang out and lose gloriously

00:23:47.320 or whatever. And we don't want any part of that. We want to win. Let's focus on what we can do.

00:23:54.500 Let's focus on what we can build and accomplish. If we start the game realizing we're going to

00:24:01.000 lose and planning how to lose, never get anywhere. And so we've been focused on the idea of losing

00:24:09.540 doesn't come into our minds. We're going to win. So how do we win? What victories can we achieve?

00:24:16.080 what can we accomplish and when people are focused on accomplishment and victory they do

00:24:22.640 stuff that they didn't you know their mind wouldn't even let them conceive as a possibility

00:24:27.520 so building each other up building pride in ourselves in our community and where we come from

00:24:33.200 and trying for you know swinging at the swinging at the pitch trying for the things we want

00:24:41.680 um and they sound really really simple but it's made all the difference in the world

00:24:46.720 and you know you mentioned what change it's it's done to people i've watched i've watched so many

00:24:52.080 people build confidence in themselves so many young especially young white men get involved

00:24:58.400 and build a lot of self-confidence that they didn't have um i've watched families grow in

00:25:04.480 in the AFA. I met my wife at an AFA event and now we have a lovely daughter. All the children being

00:25:11.580 born. You know, another thing that always hurts me is when I hear young white couples or young 1.00

00:25:16.680 white individuals questioning whether or not they should have a family, you know, like the world's

00:25:22.640 so messed up, you know, who are we to bring kids into that thought process? It hurts my heart when

00:25:29.880 I hear that. And it's been beautiful in the AFA to just see all these families. And I think that's

00:25:34.460 another sign of self-confidence and hope and excitement for the future. So we've seen that a

00:25:42.060 lot individually. We've seen a lot of people with various things in their past. We've seen people

00:25:46.900 with criminal pasts. We've seen people with addiction problems master those things and get

00:25:53.940 the things they want in their life. We've had some guys that spent a lot of time locked up,

00:25:58.580 a lot of time in a really bad place, never thought they could get a degree in a career that they

00:26:04.400 wanted, never thought they could have a family, never thought they could do these things, because

00:26:08.840 again, their mind was focused on losing, not on winning. I've watched so many of those guys

00:26:14.140 succeed and build a beautiful life for themselves. And as a group, we all benefit. The more of our

00:26:20.160 people can achieve that and can get the life that they want, a life that's fitting for our people,

00:26:25.920 it raises us all up. So it's been really beautiful to watch that over the past few years.

00:26:30.820 that is uh i popped into my head with something you said in the beginning about how you're in

00:26:38.020 14 different countries um what is that like the getting the little communications from people who

00:26:45.180 participate in this in other countries uh and especially we're always curious to hear about

00:26:50.940 within the great true diversity within european peoples uh because we are definitely not the that

00:26:58.380 stereotype unfortunately sometimes of americans who think in just because we're all of european

00:27:04.860 descent sometimes people especially in europe on the old continent i think some americans just use

00:27:11.580 this word white we use the word white just because it's in the common vernacular everyone knows what

00:27:15.500 it means it means your european heritage but uh we like to say that in our vision as you said when

00:27:22.140 when we win, the different ethnicities within that wider umbrella of our peoples and civilization

00:27:29.160 will become even more of what they are. So there's all of these different iterations,

00:27:35.040 even regionalisms. Obviously, the United States is a huge place, and there's a lot of different

00:27:39.720 white ethnic regions. But we're always curious to hear when someone, when we either have an

00:27:47.280 international guest, or someone who's traveled, or in your case, someone who's at the helm of an

00:27:52.240 organization that has members internationally outside of the U.S., about the themes, again,

00:28:00.900 that tie us and bind us and the common concerns, the common ways of looking at things, the common

00:28:07.700 bond that we share, even across those distances?

00:28:12.020 is? Well, I think first, we're most of our international membership. We have members in

00:28:23.200 Australia and New Zealand. We've got some members in Norway and Denmark, but our primary Scandinavian

00:28:29.620 members are in Sweden. We have a really thriving group of people in Sweden. We have two kindreds

00:28:34.740 sweden we have one kindred in ireland um and we've got a couple of folks in south africa as well and i

00:28:42.740 think that certainly in the west whether whether our people choose to see the commonality of

00:28:52.740 whiteness as a thing or not they're aware that other people see it as a thing and they're

00:28:57.700 they find themselves in a category where it is self-evident that we have an interest as a group

00:29:06.180 of people. And they appreciate that. I think we've seen, you know, I mentioned earlier about

00:29:12.380 tradition, but we've seen in all of these Western nations, a huge lack of those things that we

00:29:21.200 traditionally valued the virtues that we used to define men by and look up to with with reverence

00:29:28.560 the the dignity that we used to look at women with the uh you know the the values that that

00:29:36.140 built our our societies because they built them so well and were so comfortable have

00:29:42.400 there's been a really nasty backlash against that and uh this is a way of preserving and

00:29:48.700 holding on to those. You talked earlier about beauty. They're attacking beauty itself, at least

00:29:53.720 beauty as expressed by our people and by our folk. So when people see that, and it's a shame that it

00:30:01.480 comes to this, but I think it takes the absence of something or a fear of the loss of something

00:30:09.160 sometimes for people to appreciate it and for the light bulb to come on that it's something they

00:30:14.660 need to take an active interest in preserving. And I think we've not, you know, certainly we

00:30:19.780 see it here, but I think that's a common thread we see internationally. Absolutely. Absolutely.

00:30:26.480 Yeah. I want to say, if I could jump in really quick as we are, I guess, right around maybe

00:30:31.620 roughly the halfway mark, folks, if you have any questions or comments, make sure you get them in.

00:30:36.320 You can do it on Entropy. If you want to financially gift, you can financially gift

00:30:39.860 there as well. You can also financially gift over on Cash App. And of course, you all know that

00:30:44.940 every financial gift on tap is shared equally, Jared and myself with our guest. I do want to

00:30:52.800 point out that I have attended a couple of the get-togethers of the Lansdale True Folk Kindred

00:31:01.280 in Pennsylvania, and they were magnificent. Cliff and Katie are wonderful people,

00:31:08.120 and there were indeed i can vouch for what matt is saying there were indeed families they had

00:31:13.700 babies and they were running around and crying babies and happy babies and sad babies and uh

00:31:19.400 that's a wonderful thing babies uh in every emotional state uh just as long as they're there

00:31:24.820 and their smiles are there and they're getting love from our people rather than the hatred of

00:31:29.700 anti-white self-hatred of anti-whiteism being taught to hate their people therefore themselves

00:31:34.580 uh themselves and i i do also have i was gifted this this this drinking horn here if i could just

00:31:41.900 show you all this uh katie herself uh made this and in it has i guess it's my name in ruin runes

00:31:50.860 and then uh something something else i don't know if that can if you can see it it's carved right

00:31:56.020 into it there it's this wonderful it's very yeah you can see it there it looks like uh it's a

00:32:01.640 Splendid. Splendid gift. And thank you all very much. I'll put that back shortly. But I went on

00:32:08.080 a hike and then I went to Thoroughbloat. I think I probably pronounced it wrong there, but it was

00:32:13.440 a wonderful time. And I was telling Matt before we got started today that I've been in the white

00:32:19.680 sympathetic spheres for over two decades. And over that two decades, I've been a member of different

00:32:25.560 groups, but I've helped far more groups and attended far more groups, get togethers and

00:32:32.520 festivals and parties and looking for the truth, looking for what will reach our people, looking

00:32:39.560 for and experimenting, as you all know, by the way, and adding new ideas to the work that we

00:32:46.540 were doing with the psychological defense to the psychological warfare that is waged against us

00:32:51.960 that we articulate and detail the practice of in Go Free, and I attended over those years a great

00:32:59.380 many pagan get-togethers. Some of those, it's kind of funny because I had got invited. I would be

00:33:06.080 invited to events. They would say, oh, well, Jason, you know, there's going to be this event

00:33:10.920 over here, Pennsylvania, Western Pennsylvania, whatever it might be. It's going to be, here's

00:33:15.200 the address. Just tell them that whatever, you know, this guy's name said that he told you it

00:33:21.040 was going on i would show up nobody would know who i was and they were of course i'm always clean

00:33:26.260 cuts and uh nice guy my car's clean i'm clean and sometimes uh people would look at me a little you

00:33:32.920 know uh the scans wondering why is this cop showing up here in the middle of our but people

00:33:40.000 always warmed up to me it was a wonderful thing and but i have to say uh there were and this was

00:33:46.380 at the time. I can also say that Matt is 100% correct. There was a period when all of the white

00:33:51.200 sympathetic spheres had to deal with cranks, and they were showing up by the dozen, and there had 0.56

00:33:59.860 to be a decision to be made, and it ended up being sort of similar across all the different white

00:34:05.220 sympathetic spheres, and that was, what do you do with the cranks? They add numbers, and that looks

00:34:10.240 good uh to potential uh potential members prospects out there followers practitioners

00:34:16.080 whatever it might be but then once the people show up they have conversations with these people and

00:34:20.620 they say oh my god you know i'm going to flee from there well it was good that uh the afa

00:34:26.840 they handled the cranks the same way that the rest of the white sympathetic spheres or most of

00:34:31.920 the white sympathetic spheres explicit explicit white sympathetic spheres decided to get rid of 0.98

00:34:36.880 them thank heavens for that because these people are the majority of them are just socially inept

00:34:44.900 awkward and they don't fit in and so they want to they want to be somewhere and they don't really

00:34:51.120 care about western kind or what they want to get there and they want to talk about the you know

00:34:57.220 the earth being on the the head of a needle or whatever it might be and just run normal folks

00:35:02.440 off. So it was a good thing that they were run off. Having said that, the AFA, even when I went

00:35:09.320 and I participated with Cliff and Katie's work, this is some of the best folks that I've come

00:35:14.920 across in the pagan spheres. And good people, normal people, thank God. And so I was happy to

00:35:23.720 participate and I will, if invited again, I'll participate in other events in the future. But I

00:35:29.640 just really wanted to vouch for what matt was saying that they have a lot of normal folks and

00:35:35.620 there was there's also this you know in in the pagan spheres and i think a lot of people know

00:35:40.180 about this and there's you know obviously still a touch of it these antique nationalists we refer

00:35:46.260 to them and as these people who laud some some piece of history from you know 100 years ago or

00:35:55.040 so and then they want to imitate that and we're those we're those folks i mean when you come

00:36:00.020 across them i mean you deal with them as you as you deal with them but uh i i didn't have any

00:36:04.240 encounter of that sort at the lansdale true folk kindred uh and we have i don't know matt if you

00:36:10.620 know we have reported on the growth of uh the afa with i guess it was was it the the uh boulders

00:36:20.480 Hoff in Minnesota, and they bought a church building, and then there was some contention

00:36:25.240 there. And now we understand there to be some harmony there between the Asatru folks and the

00:36:34.180 townspeople. I wonder if you might be able to speak to that for a moment so that folks can see

00:36:38.640 that once there is interaction with Asatru, then things smooth out. The misconceptions and the

00:36:46.620 like, they end up getting smoothed out before we continue with what Mr. George had for you?

00:36:52.660 Well, there's kind of three phases. First, when we get a Hoff,

00:37:00.620 assuming that the media doesn't come in to poison the well, there's no problem. But we saw in Murdoch,

00:37:08.680 Minnesota, the media come in and manufacture outrage that wasn't there. We candidly found

00:37:16.160 reporters getting frustrated that they were going door to door, try to, you know, find the outrage

00:37:21.120 and it wasn't forthcoming. But they spent a lot of time and effort to generate rage and generate

00:37:27.640 problems. But when we looked into who it was, it was all outside people. It wasn't the community

00:37:34.100 itself. Ever since our people have been there remodeling and building and working on Baldur's

00:37:40.680 Hoff, they've had nothing but positive interaction with the community. And that's increased every,

00:37:47.240 you know, every couple of weeks, every week that we're out there, we've made good friends with our

00:37:52.000 neighbors. And that's going to get even better as we start doing more charity and more community

00:37:58.360 interaction that way. But there's, you know, we had a lot of threats that a bunch of people were

00:38:04.060 going to show up and they were going to bust people in and all kind of craziness was going

00:38:08.400 to happen at our grand opening. And when we had our dedication of Baldershoff, there's no problems,

00:38:15.200 just a bunch of beautiful people gathered to worship our gods. It was a really, really nice

00:38:21.560 thing. And we've seen that. We certainly saw that in Brownsville with Odenshoff.

00:38:25.880 We've seen positive community interaction with all the man on the street folks that we meet in North Carolina at Thorshoff.

00:38:34.680 The common denominator, if there's ever a problem, is the media telling the community they should be scared, them being scared, and then them meeting us and not being scared anymore.

00:38:47.600 So it's been all the actual, the real life interaction has been really, really amazing.

00:38:52.500 And I'm trying hard to think now because I want to be honest with you.

00:38:56.280 We have not had any negative in-person interaction with anybody in either of those three communities.

00:39:03.960 We've had a lot of positive interaction, though.

00:39:06.620 A lot of people just drive by and wave and, you know, wish us well.

00:39:10.680 That's great.

00:39:10.960 I just want to say quickly, Jay, please, just one moment, that when I was with the Lansdale Truffaut Kindred,

00:39:19.480 there was no hostility and for all of our i'm mentioning this for all of our our christian and

00:39:25.640 catholic mormon brothers and sisters out there who are going free practicing go free there was

00:39:32.180 no hostility for christians the the respect for christianity catholicism mormonism no hostility

00:39:39.660 so if you've had interaction not every pagan is the same pagan it's just like not every christian

00:39:45.860 denomination as the same Christian or it's it's you have a variety so you if you've come across

00:39:52.040 a pagan and they were just vicious as all heck when it came to Christianity that it didn't happen

00:39:58.360 at least as far as I saw in the AFA Cliff was in fact he spoke about respect for Christianity and

00:40:07.160 the different faiths that our people might be practicing and that is definitely what we do in

00:40:11.880 the practice of go free and that's why go free is universal it works it's a practice that works

00:40:16.800 everywhere and and empowers all of our people and all of their religions or atheism or whatever it

00:40:23.400 might be that and all of their patriotism it empowers them in all of these different areas 0.92

00:40:27.360 that's definitely the kind of thing because we know that what matters right now is white well-being

00:40:34.020 all of the other things are the sort of adornment to what we put on to our particular tastes and

00:40:41.060 the like. And we likened it before, Mr. George and I have, to the Alamo and two of the soldiers

00:40:46.340 there arguing over what the future economy of Texas would be like. I mean, there's just no time

00:40:50.940 for that sort of thing. We're going to allow each other to worship the way each other worship

00:40:55.700 and or be a patriot for our different countries or different patriotism. But at the same time,

00:41:02.200 we're all going to come together for the well-being of our people. No question about that.

00:41:06.140 But Mr. George, you were about to say something. Oh, well, no, I didn't cut off anything. And you know, we have a free flowing conversation here. I see some people in the chat asking questions. There's a few things I want to get to before we get to some chat questions. And some of this might address some of the questions in the chat.

00:41:23.360 why don't we stay on the theme though that jason's kind of opened up because i know we all wanted to

00:41:28.520 talk about this anyway so we'll just we'll go with what we've already been discussing

00:41:32.720 obviously what you do matt one of your roles i would imagine i would use the word ambassador

00:41:39.140 it sounds like both within your community and then again to the rest of the world or any uh

00:41:46.000 general towns you find yourself in when you're in a hof let's say like you've been describing

00:41:50.960 and as we've been discussing there's this pervasive anti-whiteism that's going around

00:41:59.920 it's been coming to a boiling point we know it's been building for a long time

00:42:04.880 when i was putting in afa in a search engine earlier obviously i'm sure you well know this

00:42:14.140 most of the first search results unfortunately say things like supremacist and hate group

00:42:21.040 And we get the same thing.

00:42:22.900 If you have any whiff of being positive whatsoever about your European heritage, it's automatically branded that.

00:42:31.020 One of the silver linings, as you were saying, in your example of people meeting you, and we have our own versions of this, is the cognitive dissonance.

00:42:40.280 When people actually begin to check out what we do and who we are, it's so vastly different from how the media portrays it that a lot of that can actually work in our favor.

00:42:49.380 but it takes it definitely takes a certain type of person to be able to navigate that

00:42:54.980 and i can imagine what's on your shoulders as a leader and a representative of this organization

00:42:59.940 so just a general question just to address it through any angle you see fit but anything you

00:43:07.700 could share about navigating that tricky territory of not watering down what it is you do what your

00:43:13.380 convictions are, but knowing that the average person out there is steeped in this programming

00:43:19.520 that they got through the media and education their whole lives, and that there is that barrier

00:43:24.740 to break through for them to even begin to think about anything positive about their heritage and

00:43:31.680 the people they come from and celebrating that, et cetera. Well, you made a good point that

00:43:39.240 the media has overplayed its hand. And, you know, the forces that are arrayed against us

00:43:47.680 have overplayed their hand. And they've painted, as you said, anybody with the slightest inkling

00:43:53.440 of pride and where any white people with the inkling of pride in themselves or where they 0.98

00:43:57.860 come from as these horrible, bigoted, supremacist racists that they're expecting to see a monster. 0.92

00:44:06.600 And when you show them a noble, respectable, you know, decent looking human being treating them fairly, they don't know how to merge those two in their head because they don't go together. 0.82

00:44:20.080 The reason they don't go together is because it's not real.

00:44:23.440 But, yeah, the best thing and I but you mentioned programming and I don't think that you defeat programming by eloquent arguments.

00:44:33.680 Most of the people that want to engage you in an argument over this topic in this day and age, it's not a quest for truth.

00:44:42.640 It's a quest for gotcha or to virtue signal to their friends.

00:44:46.660 They're not interested in what you have to say.

00:44:48.840 What I found is the most valuable thing, and these are with people that are potentially friends, all the way to people who are hard on the other side, is being the example that you talk about wanting your people to be.

00:45:05.680 Right. That's it.

00:45:06.840 look nice it's one of those things and i've seen this i've seen in a lot of real world situations

00:45:12.400 if you look nice and you look happy and you have a nice looking family with you

00:45:19.320 they may parrot the same things that they've been taught to parrot but you can

00:45:24.940 hear the lack of conviction in their voice they want to see the you know yeah they want to see

00:45:32.900 the monster that they've been been shown. And when they don't see that, whether they admit to it or

00:45:38.300 not, it forces a process in their head. And I've seen that a lot. And so that's, I mean, that's in

00:45:43.400 more extreme circumstances. When dealing with regular folks, grocery store interactions are

00:45:52.100 different. But as far as people in your personal life, if you establish yourself as a good person

00:45:59.220 and a trustworthy person, when they find out, you know, things that are politically incorrect

00:46:07.320 that you think in relation to your pride in yourself, they look at those things entirely

00:46:13.160 different because they see you as a person and they know that their friend is not this monster

00:46:19.100 the media paints their friend as. And so I think that's the best thing you can do is show up

00:46:24.380 looking good acting positive and never acting guilty or ashamed right sometimes when we're

00:46:31.820 embarrassed because the situation we're in we act a certain way and it just signals you know guilt

00:46:39.820 to the other side don't do that have your head up have your chest out be proud of who you are

00:46:45.580 be open to talking people never never be ashamed of of our folk and where we come from we we're

00:46:52.620 beautiful and amazing people that have done so much for this world i'd imagine some of it from

00:46:59.820 what i know and i don't i don't even know if you really use this word but when you see again you

00:47:04.540 do little internet searches and you see that there's various points of view in what's generally

00:47:10.300 as an umbrella term called pagan communities or people that are interested in paganism

00:47:14.220 And there is a more contemporary view that's been, I guess, in vogue post-World War II

00:47:22.680 and definitely came to the fore in the 60s that's kind of this cafeteria style.

00:47:28.820 And, you know, I'm a person who I can understand to a certain degree.

00:47:32.820 I have an interest in different spiritual practices from around the world.

00:47:36.060 And on an intellectual level, it could be very interesting and titillating.

00:47:41.240 I know for some, they want to feel that even if they take it on as a personal practice, that they have the freedom to engage with whatever they want to engage with. And again, on a certain level of an interest, I could see that.

00:47:59.520 but they don't seem to understand and i'm curious you know however you frame this or what your

00:48:08.320 response to this is because i know this is often the criticism levied against you within these

00:48:13.380 circles of of uh why can't i participate in this if i'm of a different heritage ergo you are these

00:48:22.060 monsters um not that it's always as simple as pointing out the flip side thing i know that

00:48:30.140 that sometimes that's kind of a quick easy internet level of argument and sometimes the

00:48:34.860 argument needs something a little more robust than that but sometimes as a quick example it does work

00:48:41.180 where you could say look what if the three of us what if me you and jason showed up to a group

00:48:48.300 about ancient chinese folkways or a particular group of people who are from a particular part

00:48:54.220 of africa who are celebrating the the way that their tribes used to do things in africa

00:49:02.220 um sure they might welcome us if it was a friendly kind of situation best case scenario

00:49:07.900 they might welcome us as guests we might be curious in a cultural level oh you know what

00:49:12.780 what do these people do what how do they view the universe what are their folk practices um but but

00:49:19.020 for us to show up as three men of european descent and then begin to participate in the rituals begin

00:49:25.820 to enmesh ourselves in the community begin to say that we can be part of decision-making process

00:49:31.660 well if we did something like that it would be seen absolutely as overstepping our bounds

00:49:37.020 as i'm sure we'd be i'm sure there'd be much more colorful much pointed language than that

00:49:41.900 you know we'd be colonists and and all kinds of things um and no one ever seems to think of it

00:49:48.780 the other way the the second you say you could be the most wise balanced person in the world

00:49:55.820 but the second you say in any way shape or form that sometimes there is a space for us people of

00:50:02.060 european descent because our culture our our heritage is ours to steward and to speak again

00:50:09.420 to my example we could be guests but me you and jason could never be stewards of a chinese

00:50:16.620 organization or or an african folk organization or anything take your pick this is ours to steward

00:50:22.620 and even on a metaphysical level i don't want to get too out there but i've done my own writing

00:50:26.940 about this because i had to think this through for myself when i began all this um i just think

00:50:32.620 metaphysically it's incorrect because whatever your religious beliefs in this plane of existence

00:50:37.980 in the world earthly life uh meaning is from particulars love is not this broad thing you

00:50:46.060 love your wife and not other women and the fact that you love your wife and not other women is

00:50:51.740 what makes that sacred and there's an element of that with your folk and your heritage as well

00:50:58.060 where this we're not that and it's uh it's who we are it's ours to steward we're the continuum

00:51:03.660 of that story so going back to where i began with the kinds of criticisms from the the neo-pagan

00:51:12.080 types or the ones who are associated with i mean we just call it all anti-whiteism but

00:51:16.820 what some people might call like the lefty pagans what what kind of approach do you take with that

00:51:23.900 criticism of the fact that sometimes you do have to say look when push comes to shove this is for

00:51:30.100 us people of european descent you particularly focus on the northern folkways and uh

00:51:38.100 there's there's really nothing to defend there but how do how do you defend it for those who

00:51:43.620 do need to hear an explanation and let's say are coming to you in good faith let's say they are

00:51:48.260 somewhat open-minded to hear what your argument would be to that well so a couple of a couple of

00:51:55.860 of particulars really specifically on that. I don't have an argument because it's not a discussion.

00:52:01.140 I'm happy to explain to them what our position is and why it's our position, but it's not, you know,

00:52:07.680 it's not open to their approval or disapproval. So I really don't try to defend it or justify it to

00:52:14.480 them. I tell them simply why. And quite frankly, we believe that our gods are our most ancient

00:52:21.780 ancestors, and that this is part of our birthright for them is this is how we relate to the divine.

00:52:29.780 And I think that it is the ultimate in diversity and tolerance that we don't claim that our gods

00:52:37.000 are the gods of all these other races. These are our gods. They created us and have a unique

00:52:43.580 relationship with us. We fully believe in the validity of these other ethnic groups,

00:52:49.600 of their ethnic folk religions and the legitimacy that those have to them and to their destiny.

00:52:57.360 We absolutely believe that. But you mentioned the criticisms, and you'd said the criticism for,

00:53:03.340 hey, I'm of a different race, why can't I practice? We very rarely get that. What we get is,

00:53:10.480 well, what if this one guy that I don't know happens to be of a different race and wants to

00:53:15.260 join. We get a lot of hypotheticals, but we don't have, you know, large numbers of people of other

00:53:22.240 races trying to join the AFA. They have their own things, hopefully, that are very satisfying to them

00:53:27.380 spiritually. Right, right. It's largely a made-up scenario, or it's a guilt-ridden one, like, you

00:53:34.960 know, well, my cousin, you know, married a, you know, a woman of a different race and has a

00:53:40.080 multiracial child. So you're telling me that I'm sorry that your cousin made that life choice.

00:53:46.060 That's, it's not, you know, it's not on me to justify that and make you and your family feel

00:53:51.740 better. That's something you guys got to deal with internally. Our position is strong and solid on it.

00:53:57.760 But you mentioned a lot of this coming from the pagan spheres. And you said, you know,

00:54:01.900 you don't know if I even use that term. And I don't. We try not to, certainly,

00:54:07.680 certainly we are pagan that's i mean get a dictionary that we are but as far as that

00:54:14.600 terms general meaning at least here in the united states it's a lot of very far left very uh

00:54:22.800 it's a lot of folks that very often are looking for license for any kind of frivolity and

00:54:30.700 degeneracy and eroding of tradition and we so you ask how we deal with that one of the big

00:54:37.040 things that we've done is very clearly separating ourselves from that. There was a time the AFA had

00:54:43.840 a lot of overlap with these other pagan circles. We don't have that anymore. We're doing our thing.

00:54:52.240 We're practicing Ausitru. We would love for people to come practice Ausitru with us,

00:54:57.760 but we don't consider ourselves part of this greater pagan milieu of people because we really

00:55:02.480 don't believe we have any points of commonality in that i'm glad to hear what you said about the

00:55:10.880 hypotheticals it seems to make sense and again it tracks with a lot of what we talk about here

00:55:16.720 the term i brought up before that jason introduced me to that i've taken on myself

00:55:21.920 bio spirit and well many people here have

00:55:25.040 what uh it seems that the european man if anything especially in modern times but i think that this

00:55:34.960 is probably still part of our bio spirit and something we need to keep in check it's kind of

00:55:39.360 a conundrum uh something that we talk about sometimes here we have to be aware of our own

00:55:45.520 blind spots or how things can possibly get uh go from being a quirk to this major achilles heel

00:55:52.800 uh it seems like of all the peoples of earth that it is our people who are most likely

00:55:59.840 to say oh i'll go check out this amerindian shaman group or something like that like will

00:56:11.040 be the ones and i even see that in myself to be honest i'm a very outward looking kind of person

00:56:17.520 i have an open personality type i'm highly creative um so i see that in myself and i

00:56:23.200 have and as i said i had to do a lot of thinking a lot of reflecting um to kind of harmonize those

00:56:29.680 the different instincts within myself before i stepped out because i wanted to be clear

00:56:34.640 and have integrity with what i do uh but what do you what do you think that is how do you think we

00:56:39.600 navigate that obviously the conditions of the modern world have exacerbated that tremendously

00:56:44.800 but I still think that it speaks to some kind of outward looking adventurousness that our people

00:56:50.960 have. Maybe it's twinned with the same drive that saw us sail ships across oceans and things like

00:56:57.400 that. But there is that stereotype of the white man who wants to go native.

00:57:04.320 So I think that there's two parts to it. And the healthy and the good part is what you just

00:57:09.800 mentioned, the Faustian instinct of our folk to search for that far horizon and to surpass that,

00:57:18.480 to explore, to expand our will as far as we can, to learn new things. That curiosity is a hallmark

00:57:29.980 of our folk. And I think that's a really good thing. But what's become coupled with it and

00:57:37.920 metastasized in it is a awareness of our own lack of deeply held convictions and deeply held

00:57:49.940 traditions. And I think we've seen this grow in the West. We've watched it during, you know,

00:57:54.940 the Enlightenment or other periods, but it's really come to a fever pitch now where our own

00:58:00.120 traditions and our own values have been eroded to the point that we often look to these much more

00:58:06.140 traditional cultures, and that they've been able to have that integrity. The cultures that you

00:58:12.160 mentioned that we look into, if you look at them, they're not the melting pots that the modern

00:58:17.680 West, certainly the United States, has become. They're homogenous cultures with a living tradition

00:58:22.740 that's ancient and that's celebrated. And I think that there's a part of us that longs for that and

00:58:28.360 wishes we had it. And so we try to find it out there. And I think it's the same, the same drive

00:58:37.820 that we do in the Astru Folk Assembly. Instead of trying to find it out there, 0.86

00:58:42.520 we try to find it in here and, and reconnect with it and rebuild, I guess, reforge the sword that

00:58:50.900 was broken. And that's fundamental to what we do. But I think that it speaks to a longing in the

00:58:57.680 part of European man to have tradition and to have some homogenous culture and value and beliefs

00:59:08.300 that are ours. It's certainly been hidden from us, obfuscated. Do you find that sometimes people

00:59:15.800 who come to AFA had dipped their toes in other communities first? Like I said, the Amerindian

00:59:25.120 sweat lodge or trekking across india hanging out with hindu gurus or something and as you said

00:59:31.600 uh you you can certainly learn things from there you know there could be cultural exchange again

00:59:37.120 i'm not i i i wouldn't be true to myself if i was saying no one should ever do that my thing is

00:59:44.260 if you have a strong core if you have a strong anchor then you can kind of venture out into the

00:59:50.140 world because you know where your home port is you have this nucleus to return to internally and

00:59:56.380 then also with community people you know what you practice like what you do uh so do you find that

01:00:03.820 that people were were kind of trekking around and checking out other cultures first and then they

01:00:07.980 said this is what i was looking for but it's actually my thing it's in my blood it's in my

01:00:12.540 spirit so it's a tale of two indians um originally i'd say back in the 80s and 90s we had folks that

01:00:21.180 would try to find that within um native american circles they would try to get involved in different

01:00:29.660 sweat lodge things like you mentioned and they try to find that there um fortunately some people

01:00:35.340 who were involved with us were told very you know directly by some native american elders you know

01:00:41.260 that they ought to drink from their own well and that brought them to also true um recently

01:00:47.820 you find it more with people who um have delved deeply into hinduism or into buddhism and you

01:00:58.700 know the other indians and uh spent that time exploring that and at least that harkens back

01:01:08.060 to a shared value back in ancient times into a shared root civilization um but yeah you find

01:01:17.500 you find that from time to time now i think you find it a lot less now than you did back

01:01:24.140 20 or 30 years ago and a lot of people looking in a lot of different ethnic traditions then

01:01:29.420 now most of the people that come to the astro folk assembly have been you know focused on on

01:01:36.780 ethnically congruent things up until this point or seemingly so with with different sects of

01:01:41.820 christianity we also have a lot of people coming from atheism this is a little bit off your

01:01:47.980 question but not entirely um take it wherever you need well i was going to say early on there

01:01:53.900 was a lot of people with a very strong christian tradition in their family they were raised in the

01:01:58.060 church. And so the transition from Christianity into Ausitru, you know, has its own, has its own

01:02:07.460 steps to go through. Recently, with the drop in Christianity and the drop in, you know, regular 0.89

01:02:15.040 church attendance, people who are in their, in their 20s coming into Ausitru now, very few of

01:02:21.500 them have that strong church background. They're often coming in as atheists or with some kind of,

01:02:29.640 you know, vague philosophical spirituality, but without a real religion. So what we're adjusting

01:02:36.560 to is not people converting from one faith to our faith, but people converting from no faith

01:02:44.300 to our faith. And that looks very different, but that's what we face most often now.

01:02:51.500 say i remember that phrase from stephen mcnellen's book about drinking from your own well and someone

01:03:01.340 he knew that tried to check out the sweat lodges i remember that anecdote uh but that phrase drink

01:03:06.140 from your own well i think that that's just a great little powerful little uh little collection

01:03:14.140 of words we have excuse me several people in the chat retype that after you said it it obviously

01:03:19.980 hits home it's one of those that just cuts through you you get it you immediately get it when you say

01:03:24.620 drink from your own well uh on that note i'm glad it's kind of wrapped up as it to this point and

01:03:30.380 i've been really enjoying this and i know that chat is as well we're seeing some great questions

01:03:34.540 and comments and before we get to those and some of jason uh he'll take the questions from the chat

01:03:40.860 and some of his own comments i have one more and it actually goes perfectly with what you've been

01:03:45.660 saying and uh it's a broad question i'm sure we could do a whole show or series of shows just on

01:03:52.460 this so i guess you'll just have to focus on one aspect but uh take your pick take us into

01:04:01.340 some kind of gathering or celebration that uh engenders this experience of being connected to

01:04:10.140 to this continuum, maybe a holiday,

01:04:14.460 some examples you do on a certain holiday festival day,

01:04:17.320 what do you think is most appropriate

01:04:19.380 that would maybe paint a picture

01:04:21.680 for some of the people listening

01:04:23.680 about what it really looks and feels like

01:04:26.760 to be participating in something like this?

01:04:30.420 So this is a typical AFA event at one of our Hoffs

01:04:34.960 or one of our national gatherings.

01:04:36.980 folks, families come together. A lot of folks dressing nicely. Other folks just coming in what

01:04:47.420 they feel comfortable in. Whole families, not just segments, not just the guys, not just the

01:04:54.400 ladies, but entire families come in and spending the day together. We share meals together throughout

01:05:01.200 the day. We don't just share eating the meals, but, you know, our ladies get together in the 1.00

01:05:05.860 kitchen and are preparing food. The guys are gathered around the grill, um, making stuff

01:05:11.620 happen. We get groups of people gathered around, you know, a fire pit or gathered around inside

01:05:17.220 talking about their lives and what's going on. What you really find very often is people that,

01:05:22.260 you know, didn't know each other before that day, meeting new people and a really,

01:05:28.280 a really nice feeling of family happening before they leave. It feels like, you know,

01:05:33.180 we hear this over and over again. It's like coming home. Well, you feel like you've known

01:05:36.220 these people forever and you've known them for an afternoon. One of the two of the most special

01:05:42.600 things to me at AFA events are all the kids get together. They don't know anybody. They've never

01:05:49.280 seen each other. And within maybe minutes at most, they're all good friends are all playing

01:05:57.260 together. They're all getting along. You've got, and I guess this segues into the second part of

01:06:03.000 that you get the older children watching the younger children.

01:06:05.780 You have parents and mothers who are comfortable taking a breath and letting their kids play

01:06:13.480 and not worried that the people there were, you know, bad intentioned.

01:06:18.380 And that's a really special thing we have.

01:06:20.840 So we spend a lot of time hanging out and talking and getting to know one another

01:06:24.840 and sharing in the day's activities.

01:06:27.320 If it's a whole day event, we'll maybe have two or three different discussions about something.

01:06:33.000 Often we'll break off in a men's group and a women's group to talk in those contexts about about our faith and our lives and things we can do to to better fulfill those roles in it.

01:06:45.600 We'll get together in the main worship ceremony that we do is called a bloat and depends.

01:06:52.260 very often we'll get together outside in a big circle. At some of our hoffs, we'll gather inside

01:06:59.380 in kind of a square or circular formation. Inside, we'll focus a lot of that attention on,

01:07:06.580 we have some beautiful murals of Thor and of Balder, respectively, and we'll focus our attention

01:07:13.260 that way. And yeah, we'll gather around in that circle and we'll pass a horn of meat around.

01:07:20.100 The Gothi or the Githia will carry the horn from person to person.

01:07:24.420 And one of those rounds with the horn is a giving round where you imbue that horn with with your positivity, with your loyalty, with your love, with your thanksgiving, with your worship for the gods. 0.96

01:07:38.400 We'll pour that horn out.

01:07:40.200 We'll take a second horn around and either drink from it or if it's a large crowd, we'll asperge it with a evergreen time.

01:07:47.400 And that's the giving round. That's where we're sharing the blessings of of that God, of our gods to the folk.

01:07:57.520 It sounds very simple, and I think fundamentally it is. But the theme of the day is is communion, not in a Catholic sense, but in the same sense of sharing as a group.

01:08:10.600 We share our food. We share the preparation of the food. We share our energy with the gods and they share their energy with us in return.

01:08:20.280 And it sounds really simple, but it can be so very powerful for the people in that circle.

01:08:27.840 So, yeah, then we'll do that. We'll come together, usually have our big meal that evening.

01:08:32.440 And then in the evening with the people that can stay in the and stay around a little bit later, we'll have what's called a symbol.

01:08:38.080 An assemble is a ritualized drinking ceremony where people will make toasts, and those usually have three rounds, one for our gods, one for our ancestors, and then one of the rounds is for the heroes, where you may raise a horn to somebody you admire, a friend of yours that has done something, something special that way.

01:09:03.420 but that's a time where uh folks really like to open up my wife just brought by her we have

01:09:10.520 someone about to steal the show yeah somebody requested earlier that i let her pop on if she 1.00

01:09:17.480 could i hope that's all right yeah i've seen her on instagram but please introduce us what a what

01:09:24.440 a beauty yeah this is aubrey rose flavel she's the most beautiful girl in the entire world

01:09:29.240 don't you dare tell me otherwise

01:09:31.640 she is beautiful

01:09:33.660 she is beautiful

01:09:34.580 we are so very blessed to have her in our life

01:09:37.600 she's the most amazing little girl

01:09:39.180 yeah

01:09:42.100 we're

01:09:43.180 there's a lot of this at AFA events too

01:09:45.900 sitting around with our kids

01:09:47.500 and

01:09:48.140 and our future like this

01:09:51.400 but yeah so I was going to say

01:09:53.700 at those symbols

01:09:54.380 people will get very emotional

01:09:57.140 they'll

01:09:57.940 oh so anyways they'll get really emotional they'll often in the ancestors round specifically

01:10:05.460 that's my wife mandy she says hello hello they'll tell really personal stories about their loved

01:10:13.060 ones that have passed and with you know with sharing the drink and doing it that way people

01:10:19.780 really open up and they open up it shocks me how fast that people open up with very deep things

01:10:24.980 about themselves and i think it's part of that community that gets built together so quickly

01:10:30.180 when you do it in a sacred environment um so that's what what the day looks like we get together

01:10:35.620 we we finish our stumble people give each other hugs and say their goodbyes and you know make

01:10:41.620 their way back to where they're going a lot of hugs we're really fortunate you know whatever

01:10:48.980 whatever anybody's personal thoughts are of the the COVID response and things in 2020

01:10:56.280 we were very fortunate that we were able to get together as a church together and worship we were

01:11:03.880 able to get together and hug one another look each other face to face spend that time together

01:11:11.500 when so many people weren't some churches still aren't able to so we were very blessed that we

01:11:17.220 were able to do that that's a really special thing about having our own offs and uh having

01:11:23.340 that shelter from the storm to where we can come together and have some normality even when things

01:11:27.980 out in the world are looking really crazy sometimes well you painted a beautiful picture

01:11:33.380 matt and and it's been very interesting not that we're quite done yet um your daughter i was saying

01:11:40.200 that your wife in the chat glows with health and love yeah both are so blessed and that is so

01:11:45.100 beautiful warmed my heart i know i could speak for jason too you saw that couldn't walk smiles

01:11:49.820 off our faces um but thank you for painting that picture uh we have the chat is very positive

01:11:56.380 reflecting a lot of your own values what you talk about some are here from afa came over from you

01:12:00.780 and as i said in the beginning if you missed it jason and i warmly welcome you and thank you for

01:12:05.180 checking us out if this is your first time here and you're coming over because you are friends

01:12:10.060 with or know matt here and some of the people aren't in the fa of course and they're just

01:12:15.180 asking questions and uh genuinely curious and open about it so i really like what i'm seeing

01:12:19.900 in the chat i know jason has some questions in the last segment of the show so jason what's been

01:12:25.420 going on take it away well thank you everybody has been so excited about the conversation and

01:12:31.500 grateful for the conversation it's a wonderful thing uh we uh practice the exact same things

01:12:36.860 man you've been taught a lot of the exact same things you've been talking about matt with the

01:12:39.980 positivity it's it's all about the positivity it's all about the victories and we've been having

01:12:44.380 a huge number of victories in fact i was just speaking with the naderific a great champion

01:12:50.940 in service to white well-being practicing going free he is the head of what we refer to as the

01:12:55.420 outreach team and they had a a minor a small effort today where they went out and and spreading

01:13:03.340 the lexicon spreading the dialectics of the practice and had an enormous victory people

01:13:08.060 normal folks out there maga type folks ordinary sensibilities uh folks our people brothers and

01:13:14.140 sisters immediately taking up the lexicon and dialectics successfully and thereby changing

01:13:19.180 the milieu in the context in which the conversations the arguments the legal battles

01:13:23.500 the politics everything ends up taking place that's why it's so important to go out there

01:13:28.220 and to have victories at every level the symbolic victories are the only victories number one that

01:13:33.900 we can really have because you have a victimizer that is supremely powerful but the symbolic

01:13:39.980 victories are also far more powerful than any other type of victory and so these little victories

01:13:46.220 all of us combine together building one on top of the other they gain momentum 0.53

01:13:50.140 and together in their aggregate they become that tsunami that the anti-white oligarchy these this 0.55

01:13:56.940 this evil regime cannot hold back it's a tomorrow that they can hold back and we often refer to it

01:14:03.040 as the western sunrise and we are lifting that sun uh into the heavens ourselves so really glad to

01:14:10.160 hear that you all are focused that way over at the afa i know mr george absolutely and as you were

01:14:16.920 saying these things mad mr george and i have had so many conversations i know uh when you were

01:14:21.300 saying those things he was the exact same sort of fireworks were going off in his head as as was

01:14:26.700 mind let's get to some of these questions these financial gifts that folks have given and they

01:14:32.860 have some questions i think some of them and then we have some i think a couple of questions without

01:14:37.740 financial gifts so let's jump on over to cash app first and we will refresh the page i will say as

01:14:45.580 it loads a big thank you to everybody who showed up for this wonderful tap episode we were really

01:14:50.700 looking forward to this and i know that folks uh in the afa community we're also really looking

01:14:55.980 forward to seeing their global leader on with us. We have at the very beginning of the show today,

01:15:05.980 Olrak, financially gifting $5. Thank you so much, dear brother, saying everything you wanted to say

01:15:12.220 with those $5. We also have the great, another great champion in service to white well-being,

01:15:19.380 White Student Transmission. Great to see you, brother, and thank you so much for your service

01:15:24.460 to white well-being, financially gifting $15 over on Cash App. He writes here,

01:15:32.260 AW's got a head start. We're catching up and we'll win. The anti-whites got a head start.

01:15:38.920 We are catching up and we will win. And of course, winning means recapturing our destiny.

01:15:43.920 Thank you so much, White Student Transmission, on a personal level, on a family level, 0.92

01:15:49.440 on a community level, on a schooling level, recapturing our destiny is we get to define

01:15:56.600 any way we see fit. The anti-whites never get to define it. Let's get a big raucous round

01:16:02.200 of wild emojis for QBEC, who financially gifted $50, five zero US dollars, $50. Thank you so much,

01:16:15.440 dear brother, and saying all he wanted to say with all of those $51 bills. That's a great

01:16:22.620 champion. Cubec is always hovering, doing good work in the shadows, and we deeply appreciate

01:16:30.080 him. Thank you so much for that, Cubec. And if you out there would like to financially gift over

01:16:35.540 on Cash App, you'll have to do so quickly. It takes a little while to come through, and you

01:16:40.860 will have an opportunity to write in there. It has a character limit, but you'll have an opportunity

01:16:45.480 to write a question or statement with your gift. But thank you again, all three of you over there

01:16:49.900 on Cash App. We'll spin around here. And we've got more than a handful over here on Entropy.

01:16:58.100 Great to see so many champions. Starting off the day with one of our greatest champions,

01:17:03.940 Yiz the eunuch. And I feel like I should be personally overseeing the building of her

01:17:11.420 statue right now. If only we had the funds. Financially gifting, Yiz, $10. Thank you so

01:17:17.740 much, sweet sister. And she writes, Mr. Flavel's wise words and positive demeanor inspired me

01:17:25.060 to take the first steps toward learning. Also true. I just bookmarked the AFA site and would

01:17:32.560 like him to recommend a video, website, or book as my first learning stone. May all our gods bless

01:17:42.400 us on our path toward a bright future. Matt? All right. I'll do all three. Website www.runestone.org.

01:17:56.340 That's our website. Got a ton of people on our contact page. You can talk to your local folk

01:18:01.020 Builder, got my contact information on there. Please reach out to me if you'd like to.

01:18:05.960 As far as a video, we've got several. I do a live video once a month. This will teach you a lot

01:18:12.040 about contemporary, like what's going on in the AFA and how we practice. But if you look for us

01:18:19.160 on YouTube, the House True Folk Assembly, we've got a channel on there. We've got a lot of content

01:18:24.040 on there. Some of Stephen McNallan's old stuff. I put things on there. Like I say, I do my live

01:18:28.900 once a month. What else is on there for anybody listening is when we have our national gatherings

01:18:35.420 for the last year or so, I've been making these little slideshows set to music. So you see

01:18:41.200 what you'd see at one of these things. You can see what the people look like. You can see what

01:18:45.960 we do looks like. You can see what our haves look like. And it can really give you a good sense,

01:18:51.100 you know, visually of who we are and what we're about. And then as far as the book,

01:18:56.160 The book that Jason's been talking about the whole time,

01:19:00.060 Aousetreau, A Native European Spirituality by Stephen McNallan.

01:19:04.680 I would recommend you get that and read that.

01:19:07.040 You can get that on the website that I sent to you.

01:19:09.300 You can also get that wherever you'd like,

01:19:11.940 but it's a very good book by our founder,

01:19:13.940 and it'll bring you up to speed on how we got here and where we're at.

01:19:20.080 Thank you, brother, and thank you so much, Yiz,

01:19:23.200 for the financial gifts and the question.

01:19:25.080 We have Rob, financially gifting $5, and he says, Matt, you'll have to help me out here.

01:19:33.580 The title, your title, how do you pronounce that?

01:19:37.140 Alsharyar Gauthier.

01:19:39.420 That, and your last name, Flavel.

01:19:41.980 What is upcoming for the AFA in the near future, is Rob's question.

01:19:48.920 Thank you, Rob.

01:19:50.800 Next up is Midsummer.

01:19:52.760 June, I have to look at my calendar, but I'm going to say 11th, 12th, 13th, if not the weekend closest

01:19:58.260 to those dates, at Odenshoff in Brownsville, California. That's probably going to be our

01:20:03.720 biggest event of the year. That's kind of our flagship national celebration that we've done.

01:20:10.380 And yeah, I'm looking forward to that. It's going to be a three-day event. So that's going to be,

01:20:15.260 that's going to be nice. We've got that coming up next. In September, and I'd have to check on

01:20:21.880 exact dates in September. We've got Fall Fest, which is another one of our national events.

01:20:27.000 That's going to be held at Baldershof in Murdoch, Minnesota. So we got that coming up. Right now,

01:20:33.240 we're doing some stuff behind the scenes, getting some finances in order, and we're scouting out

01:20:38.120 what our plan is for our next hoff that we're going to establish. This one's going to be

01:20:43.480 dedicated to the god of friendly waterways and of voyages and of fishing and making use of those

01:20:54.040 waterways, Njord. So Njord's Hoff is upcoming. We need to figure out where we're doing that

01:20:59.480 and how we're doing that. And we're planning that on the back end right now.

01:21:04.760 Nice. Well, thank you for that answer. And Rob, thank you for the gift and the question.

01:21:09.400 we have fit and healthy at any age financially gifting three dollars no amount of money can

01:21:16.440 ever repay jason for the gift of go free my children will never suffer from guilt or shame

01:21:24.200 due to their skin color thank you a thousand times well you are most welcome fit and healthy

01:21:30.360 at any age no they absolutely should not suffer for being a member of western kind for that

01:21:35.480 beautiful bio spirit that uh burns like the flash of creation in their hearts thank you so much for

01:21:42.980 those kind words and and that financial gift and back again with a another three dollar financial

01:21:48.060 gift fit and healthy at any age once again i i also really like the name there uh it writes i'm

01:21:54.660 attempting to spread the message of go free at the gym and many seem open to the idea is the meme

01:22:03.000 it's okay to be white a good baby step what has been a good approach for others thank you well

01:22:11.180 that's a fantastic question we don't have a lot of time to dig into it if you could come back on

01:22:17.740 sunday 5 p.m eastern standard time and put that exact same question in the question widget

01:22:24.540 on entropy here remind me that you asked it here today just in case uh there's a possibility that

01:22:31.200 I forget, and we can address it in greater depth. But I would not use, it's okay to be white. 0.86

01:22:40.940 It is a statement that is within the anti-white narrative, and we never use any speech that is 0.70

01:22:48.660 inside the anti-white narrative because it is burdened with, infected with what we refer to as

01:22:56.800 thought chains uh premises unspoken premises uh that lead you to lose the conversation and the

01:23:04.160 anti-white or the vague the normal the just the the not normal but the average person out there

01:23:09.520 brother or sister which we refer to as a vague leads them to outcomes and thoughts that will

01:23:16.560 defeat you in conversation make you look like the bad guy i predicted when this came out this it's

01:23:21.760 okay to be white, the first maybe two weeks of it, that it would be easily defeated. I shared 0.83

01:23:28.800 exactly how it would be easily defeated by anti-whites and vagues. And then a non-white, 1.00

01:23:35.080 anti-white student, high school student, defeated it on television, interviewed by a reporter who

01:23:42.160 simply responded, of course, it's okay to be white. It's just not okay to be a racist. So instead,

01:23:47.540 Instead, I suppose that you have GoFree, look into GoFree, and you'll see that there are a great many ways that you can begin to discuss things with people at the gym.

01:23:57.900 One of the easiest things to do, and that empowers you for the rest of the conversation, is to refer to the things that are happening to us as anti-white, to refer to the policies in the United States as anti-white, and to refer to that ideology as anti-white-ism.

01:24:13.360 It's all objectionable because it's anti-white and it is from the ideology of anti-white-ism. 0.53

01:24:20.040 When you discuss things with people from that perspective, they are in our story and they can only go wrong if they intend us harm.

01:24:28.280 But come back on Sunday. We'll go into it a little bit deeper.

01:24:30.740 Thank you for reaching out to the community because it's clear that you understand that your well-being is only achievable by way of our group's well-being, our people's well-being.

01:24:40.460 We have Rory, financially gifting, $3.

01:24:44.220 Thank you so much, Rory. 0.91

01:24:45.920 Do the Ositru greet one another with, I'll just say here, unique handshakes?

01:24:52.780 And are there any similarities between Ositruism and Freemasonry, such as looking after one's own community?

01:25:02.600 Matt.

01:25:02.860 um well on the freemasonry thing real quick i'll answer the first last or anyways that's the first

01:25:12.420 question with the freemasonry wanting to do stuff to help our community i think is common to any

01:25:18.740 group that identifies itself but as far as i know there's no overt tie to any kind of alistar true

01:25:26.200 and freemasonry i'm certain that there's there's got to be members that there's some kind of

01:25:31.940 overlap in the history of Ossetru. But I'm certainly not aware of any connection to

01:25:36.780 Freemasonry. The other one, as far as if we got a secret handshake,

01:25:43.300 it depends who you meet. Some guys like to do the grip the forearm handshake.

01:25:51.040 But most often, the way that other Ossetruer greet each other, certainly in the AFA, is by

01:25:56.000 giving each other a big hug. We'll start out, some of the guys will start out with the handshake,

01:26:00.020 but pull them in for the hug. And I think that's probably the most common physical greeting we got

01:26:05.100 in the AFA. And that's wonderful. Can you imagine the anti-whites will have to turn that into

01:26:10.740 something in their anti-white narrative? They hug. They're communicating in some weird way. 0.95

01:26:18.140 Thank you so much, Rory, for the question and the $3 financial gift. And we have our dear sweet

01:26:25.540 sister. Mrs. Jess Horst is with us. She gives us a little white emoji heart. Thank you so much,

01:26:32.540 sister. And a financial gift of 15 US dollars. Thank you so very much. She's another great

01:26:39.420 champion. She can field an entire baseball team with the children that she has had. Let's spin 1.00

01:26:45.720 around over here and have one more look at Cash App and see if we have anybody who snuck in here.

01:26:50.840 I have a feeling we probably did.

01:26:53.280 And I want to thank, as the screen loads,

01:26:56.920 the great Roy Danton for moderating today,

01:26:59.060 a great champion in service to white well-being for years now

01:27:03.060 and went from a not-so-great place

01:27:05.820 to a really glorious winged and haloed place.

01:27:11.300 And we're so grateful for this champion.

01:27:13.500 Thank you so very much, Roy Danton.

01:27:16.480 Looks like we do have the great Brad C.

01:27:20.840 who is another magnificent star in the practice of white well-being.

01:27:24.980 Great to see you, brother.

01:27:26.020 And thank you so very much for the $20 financial gift today.

01:27:31.020 Thank you.

01:27:31.480 He writes with that gift for the great stream and explanation point.

01:27:35.760 Thank you, brother.

01:27:36.340 I really appreciate that.

01:27:38.400 That is Brad C.

01:27:40.300 We have our dear sister, a wonderful woman,

01:27:43.880 and always with us in service to white well-being.

01:27:46.320 Her name, I love Jesus Christ.

01:27:48.580 financially gifting $20. Thank you so much, sweet sister. And she writes, for white well-being.

01:27:56.660 Indeed. And we thank you for that. And we have Art Acrobats, yet again, another well-known

01:28:06.600 champion in service to white well-being, financially gifting $2.14. And he writes,

01:28:15.280 help your people daily i could not agree more brother that is a magnificent sentiment and i

01:28:21.760 think maybe that was the theme of today's tap episode helping each other growing our communities

01:28:27.900 improving ourselves being who we actually are and i uh you know when when matt's talking about

01:28:33.840 people being good looking good uh putting your uh well what is quite common in the states i don't

01:28:40.960 know if it's common across the rest of the west i imagine what we refer to as like your sunday best

01:28:45.800 what you would wear to church uh for so long when our our countries were predominantly christian

01:28:51.520 you don't have to be rich you you don't have to have the armani attire or whatever it might be

01:28:57.360 you just clean up and you show up and that is to demonstrate who we are not to conceal anything

01:29:06.340 We want to be who we are rather than the villains in the anti-white narrative that they would like us to be.

01:29:12.540 And they would like all of those vagues out there to see us as.

01:29:15.260 We don't want to have that.

01:29:16.380 One final question that I have for Matt as we wrap up.

01:29:19.980 So I'm going to ask the question, Matt, and I'll have you then answer the question, tell folks where they can find you.

01:29:28.680 And I guess you've already answered what you all are really doing next.

01:29:31.920 But anything more to to that specific issue.

01:29:35.640 But before those two things, what is one of the most prevalent challenges to AFA members or to the greater community of Western kind?

01:29:54.820 What is one do you believe at the moment is one of our greatest challenges?

01:29:58.820 And how can the individual AFA member meet that challenge?

01:30:05.640 I think there's a couple of prongs to this, but I think one of the greatest challenges we face

01:30:15.900 is isolation. When a lot of the things that tied us together have been torn down or vilified,

01:30:27.320 it's very easy to feel alone. When you couple that with this rugged individualism that so many

01:30:34.120 of our people have that in a measured way can be very good when it's been unhealthy and when it's

01:30:42.460 paired with the erosion of things that tied us together. You have a lot of little tiny islands

01:30:48.660 of one by themselves. It's very easy to feel defeated. It's very easy to feel helpless when

01:30:54.440 you see your tribe is one person. The individual AFA member and I guess anybody listening to this

01:31:03.140 broadcast can work on that by getting out of mom's basement, getting out there with somebody

01:31:09.380 and celebrating, being together, working together towards a common goal.

01:31:17.500 The AFA is made up of amazing, amazing individuals, but we're able to do the things we're able to do

01:31:24.900 and build the beautiful things we're able to build when we act as one, when we come together

01:31:30.140 and we have that community. Together we're strong and together we're a great people.

01:31:36.560 So when we start viewing ourselves as part of that great people with that great heritage,

01:31:42.480 then we can be in a much more powerful position to build the kind of world that we want to live

01:31:48.240 in and to fight that isolation. And I think the isolation, especially with the protocols to deal

01:31:55.260 with things last year, as far as not showing people your face, staying inside, doing more and

01:32:02.060 more things from home. I think that's been very difficult for our people. So get out there,

01:32:07.440 interact, become involved. Great. Absolutely great response. And before we get your comments,

01:32:15.480 any final comments you might have and where folks can find you, we just have a couple quick ones

01:32:19.500 here we're going to rapid fire at you uh let's see we have one over on d live that was what is

01:32:25.640 the afa stance on ancient vikings in minnesota oh we have no official stance i went and i saw

01:32:33.640 that runestone um don't think that runestone's ancient but the fact that there was a guy in the

01:32:40.000 early 1800s that could forge it by using ancient runes in an intelligible way tells me that there's

01:32:46.900 something there. There's an entrenched culture there that's really special. I don't preclude

01:32:51.900 it. I don't think it's impossible. I think it's one of those questions we may never know the

01:32:55.720 answer to, but we don't have an official stance on that. All righty. And we have our dear friend

01:33:01.600 Jonas over in the Czech Republic. He's got a couple here. One is, do you know of a content

01:33:09.460 producer by the name of Survive the Jive? Jonas says he makes great content about European

01:33:15.180 spirituality and genetics. Have you heard of Survive the Giant? I have. And I actually got

01:33:20.080 to meet him at Northwest Forum a few years ago. And he was a very nice guy. I really enjoyed

01:33:27.060 meeting him. And I haven't watched everything he's put out, but I've enjoyed the things that

01:33:32.060 I've watched. Fantastic. And we'll just take one more from Yonash. And this one is, in what

01:33:40.880 countries is AFA present? United States. I'm going to miss some here. So United States,

01:33:50.800 Canada, Uruguay, Australia, New Zealand, United Kingdom, Ireland, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Italy,

01:34:06.240 serbia switzerland south africa and we have a doesn't really count we have an american stationed

01:34:15.680 in germany it's a good problem to have when you can't remember all the countries where you have

01:34:21.660 grown uh final thoughts brother and where people can find you and the afa well i've plugged it a

01:34:29.600 www.runestone.org. That's our website. It's got contact information for your local folk builders.

01:34:42.420 For myself, anybody listening, please feel free to email me if you need to. Email one of your

01:34:47.160 folk builders, email Agothi, but you can reach out to me directly if you have any questions or

01:34:52.380 there's a way I can help you. Look us up on YouTube. Hopefully these gentlemen will put

01:34:59.420 that link on. I'll send it to them later. But we have a YouTube channel that we put a lot of really

01:35:04.720 nice videos we've spent time on on there. Feel free to check that out. And I just want to say

01:35:11.560 thank you guys so much for having me on the program. I'm excited to get to talk to you

01:35:15.340 gentlemen. I'm also very excited to speak to your audience. I know some of them, you know,

01:35:20.500 I've gotten a chance to talk to before and some of them have never heard of me and I've never got

01:35:24.820 speak to them. So I'm really, really thankful for the opportunity. It's our deep pleasure. Thank you

01:35:30.180 for being with us, brother. Mr. George, final thoughts where people can find you and the great

01:35:35.220 work you're doing. Well, we're seeing people say Brazil. Is that on the list as well? Is there a

01:35:41.720 chapter in Brazil? We had some Brazilians. Unfortunately, our Brazilian membership had to

01:35:48.680 part waves with us. They were under some pretty intense persecution there with their job. I hope

01:35:54.700 that they come back when things settle down it's just struck out to me um it's particularly because

01:36:00.700 i was going to mention uruguay anyway um that is something that we forget about that a good

01:36:05.900 deal of our folk are in the southern cone which is generally called the southern cone of south

01:36:11.180 america and i've actually said this to jason privately recently we would love to speak to

01:36:17.100 someone who understands what we understand and is from our background in south america because there

01:36:25.420 are certainly a lot of europeans that went there and they have their i'm sure unique perspective

01:36:30.780 on things so if anyone has any suggestions reach out to us we're always curious and interested to

01:36:36.700 talk to all kinds of people but matt i return the sentiment i really enjoyed today's conversation

01:36:42.140 and uh there's just a very good feeling in the air all around it was interesting to learn a

01:36:48.100 little more about what you do and uh here you lay it out so calmly and openly very appreciated

01:36:55.020 and uh as you said anyone listening in the replay on our shared site theafterparty.tv

01:37:02.200 again we have over three years cataloged now uh you can go when this is posted just like any post

01:37:09.920 Matt's links will be there.

01:37:11.360 All the relevant AFA links will be there.

01:37:13.980 You mentioned, someone mentioned Survive the Jive.

01:37:16.100 You and Ash mentioned Survive the Jive.

01:37:17.400 He was on back in June of 2019.

01:37:20.200 So if you're ever curious if someone had been on with us,

01:37:23.380 you can search a name, a content creator,

01:37:26.260 an activist in the search bar,

01:37:28.920 or you can search themes of shows,

01:37:31.940 As True or Native European Folkways or Folkism, Folkish.

01:37:37.260 I think those are all tags on our site.

01:37:39.620 But the shows are pretty well tagged in terms of the main themes that were discussed as well.

01:37:46.080 So that is TheAfterParty.tv.

01:37:48.260 We each have our own sites as well, our own individual sites.

01:37:51.560 Jason is NowWhiteGuilt.org.

01:37:55.500 And mine is TheGreatOrder.com.

01:37:57.980 So I also post these shows there as well as the particular things that I do.

01:38:03.700 And I know it's been a long time coming, but I should be getting back to that regular release schedule of songs very soon.

01:38:09.620 Next one is wrapping up and will be sent out for mastering fairly soon.

01:38:15.700 And there'll be more going on with that.

01:38:17.960 So look out for announcements.

01:38:19.680 The best thing, as we like to say, is to definitely bookmark our websites.

01:38:23.660 We have way more control over those than any social media.

01:38:27.060 But for the time being, we have to be everywhere we can be.

01:38:30.300 But please do follow our social media.

01:38:32.500 Mine is listed, again, on my website, thegreatorder.com.

01:38:35.400 You go there, find all the different platforms I'm on.

01:38:39.560 And Jason and I also encourage you to share this around.

01:38:42.500 I like to say we need to be the algorithm.

01:38:44.300 You know, we are insanely shadowbanned.

01:38:48.380 So much of our follower count and subscriber count,

01:38:51.660 our different individual platforms are just slow to a snail's pace.

01:38:55.860 We know there's kind of shenanigans going on.

01:38:58.060 We can't complain about it.

01:38:59.280 We can't get down about it.

01:39:00.340 Like Matt said, we will win.

01:39:02.840 We do have the truth on our side,

01:39:04.800 and we are aligned with what is good and beautiful and best.

01:39:08.880 in our spirit and in our people and that will out so you have to take these things in stride

01:39:13.860 be a warrior with a smile on your face so it's a it's a little thing but if you can all share

01:39:20.400 peer-to-peer in comment sections and emails if you like what you heard here you like what we're

01:39:25.540 doing uh definitely check out if you're new here what jason's doing jason does his own show

01:39:30.040 on sundays called go free where he really digs deep onto what he's been testing and other people

01:39:36.840 test with him the psychological defenses against anti-whiteism, the right language to use as he

01:39:42.960 was speaking to in the question regarding it's okay to be white, certain things might sound good

01:39:49.540 or go against the grain on the surface. And you think, oh, that sounds good. That's kind of 0.68

01:39:53.700 against the PC anti-white stuff. But when you test it out in conversations, A leads to B leads 0.90

01:40:00.540 to C. Sometimes you leave a trap door open and you can get right back into being critiqued about

01:40:06.840 us being the bad guy and all of those

01:40:10.960 narratives. And so

01:40:12.580 he's done tremendous work. I can't recommend

01:40:14.840 enough of being friends

01:40:17.000 and doing work with him the last few years and getting to know

01:40:19.040 it more and more.

01:40:20.700 This is an essential key

01:40:22.500 to really unlock the

01:40:24.860 cage around our people's minds

01:40:27.040 so that we can thrive and

01:40:28.740 can become the best versions of ourselves

01:40:30.760 as we've talked about tonight. But

01:40:32.680 Matt, again, kudos to what you and your

01:40:34.680 community are doing.

01:40:36.260 It's just wonderful to hear about the families, about the fellowship, about the outreach, about helping those who are less fortunate.

01:40:45.460 It is all beautiful and wholesome stuff.

01:40:48.000 Definitely look forward to staying in touch.

01:40:50.220 And all the best to you and your beautiful family.

01:40:54.280 Thank you so much, Mr. George.

01:40:56.520 Well, thank you to everyone who stopped by and participated in the live chat tonight.

01:41:02.120 everybody, of course, who financially gifted a big thank you to all of you. And a big thank you

01:41:08.740 to everybody who participated in the live chat. We appreciate that. When people get in, they ask

01:41:12.840 questions, they're unsure. This is the only way to learn. You have to get your hands in and get a

01:41:18.460 little dirty. That's the only way you're going to be able to progress and recapture that destiny

01:41:22.520 that should have been and can still be your life. If only you'll take up the pen and write into the

01:41:27.840 blank pages of our book, Your Heroism. We expect you to do so. It's okay, though, if you decided

01:41:34.100 to be a wallflower today and just watch. We appreciate you as well. And a big thank you

01:41:39.280 and hello to everybody who watches this in replay. Please share this magnificent show today with all

01:41:46.420 of your circles, especially those that you are able to influence. Just grab the URL, share it

01:41:51.120 around. Tell them it was a great show to watch, and there's great content, and you're willing to

01:41:57.400 put your stamp of approval and reputation on it.

01:42:00.000 But again, thank you to Roy Danton for moderating today.

01:42:02.980 A big thank you to Matt for coming on with us

01:42:05.100 and this entire community in service to white well-being.

01:42:08.080 God bless you all.

01:42:08.940 We love you and we look forward to seeing you all again.

Asatru Folk Assembly - May 26, 2021

Matt Flavel on The After Party w TGO & NWG

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