00:06:44.740well so the folk builder is kind of the the most grassroots level of leadership in the afa and the
00:06:51.060folk builder's job is to be the face of the afa to the members or potential members in an area
00:07:00.980but also to be the face of that membership to the leadership of the afa and to facilitate those
00:07:06.820community uh communications and that relationship there's admin stuff behind the scenes to do with
00:07:13.380being a folk builder but fundamentally it's finding our folk who are interested in Ausatru and if
00:07:20.580they're suitable people that we want to have around to get them involved to get them and their
00:07:25.140families to come out to do things to to host and to celebrate Ausatru gatherings in your area
00:07:32.580and to get those folks connected with with the bigger AFA family nationally and internationally
00:07:39.380So, yeah, a lot of that is, you know, making calls to people, answering questions, showing up and, you know, giving them example in real life of who we are and what we're about.
00:07:52.680uh encouraging them on you know entry-level stuff to to read and learn to get involved
00:07:59.720and then really importantly just encouraging the practicing of alsatru in that person's life and
00:08:05.840you know being a real religion and a real part of their life instead of a you know an idea or
00:08:11.020a hobby to get them out and get them actually practicing uh yeah i should say this briefly
00:08:16.920for anyone listening now or even in replay jason and i definitely warmly welcome anyone from afa
00:08:23.400who's here because you all know matt and you're checking our show out for the first time we love
00:08:28.440talking to different people and having this kind of interplay um i know for myself as i was telling
00:08:34.520matt before the show i've read stephen mcnellen's book uh and i as i became over the last few years
00:08:40.040to understand what's going on in the world more my own heritage i've definitely found a lot of value
00:08:46.440in looking into the folkways learning more about them as some of you may know i've shared some of
00:08:51.240what i've learned along the way on videos uh kind of to that that and matt um so i'm getting a sense
00:08:58.360of what you're doing as a folk builder it sounds kind of like you're in one of the capacities was
00:09:03.720you kind of a fulcrum an interface as you were saying facing outward to the potential community
00:09:10.280or people checking it out but then also representing that as you said back to the
00:09:14.200leadership and the other strata within the afa so i definitely understand that you have to have a
00:09:20.600good sense of communication and dealing with different personalities what were what kinds of
00:09:26.920people did you find over those years in folk building well and of course now too uh who are
00:09:34.200who come to the afa what are they what are they seeking and what are they not getting
00:09:38.120and what kind of questions do they have about what's going on in the world
00:09:41.160Well, so I've watched that evolve in a really good way over my time at the Astro Folk Assembly.
00:09:49.800Initially, we had, you know, and we still draw from a wide spectrum of our people.
00:09:56.520But initially, there was a lot of folks that didn't fit in anywhere else. And so they wanted
00:10:03.840to give this a try. It was more like checking the other box because things didn't work other places.
00:10:09.400And those people would come through and they wouldn't stick around.
00:10:13.880Now, in the midst of that, we got some really great people, but we had a lot of a lot of more fringe people early on.
00:10:20.180And this is, you know, 10, 15 years ago.
00:10:22.880Over time, what we're seeing today in the AFA is a lot of young families, a lot of young, good looking men and women that want to start their life in a positive way.
00:10:36.840And I think especially when they have a young family, they want spirituality and religion to be part of their life, but aren't happy with Christianity.
00:11:27.800a lot of those people are looking for a home and they don't find it a lot of places and they do
00:11:33.340find it with the afa and i'm very proud to welcome so many of those people in the last few years
00:11:38.220what about uh same general theme but specifically through the lens of the anti-whiteism that we've
00:11:48.120seen that we know has been brewing for decades but obviously it's really reached a boiling point
00:11:54.000recently uh anything that's a reaction to that um i know again for myself i kind of got into this
00:12:01.360because one of the pathways i took into this in being more of a public uh spokesperson or whatever
00:12:10.080you want to call it figure trying my best doing a little activism uh was getting as i mentioned
00:12:16.000more in touch with heritage i wasn't i didn't really come from a political background myself
00:12:22.400i'm not one of these people that was reading liberal philosophers and then libertarian
00:12:27.040philosophers and then more right-wing philosophers i i personally don't even really use left-wing
00:12:33.760right-wing things like that for myself a lot of what got me into it was either aesthetics going
00:12:38.880on in the popular culture the war on beauty things like that were kind of proto red pills for me but
00:12:44.720But then also, as I said, sensing and looking for things that were more eternal in our people, the spirit.
00:12:53.720Jason has this great term that he's coined.
00:12:57.220And he said it to me the very first time we spoke when we did an interview together that became this very show over three years ago.
00:13:04.700I remember you saying this to me, Jason, bio spirit.
00:13:07.000and i immediately got that because it's the wedding the mental physical and the spiritual
00:13:13.640which i know again afa and uh what steve mcnallan has presented and kind of brought back up from
00:13:20.840these folk faiths uh from what i know if i may say seems very much in line with what you guys
00:13:25.960are about i like that when i read the as a true book by mr mcnallan is that it very much looks
00:13:31.400at this holistic view of things and that very much resonates with me so looking to the things again
00:13:37.320that are eternal in our people the characteristics the instincts that we have and how those how we
00:13:43.400manifest our spirit into the world that was very fascinating to me to learn more to read some about
00:13:50.040that got me personally deeper into caring about and identifying for our heritage as people of
00:13:57.720European descent. So now that I've said my little background, maybe to give some context,
00:14:03.560how much do you see that kind of thing from the people who check out AFA?
00:14:07.640Huge. That's why earlier I was describing people, you know, gravitating that way as
00:14:12.840traditional minded. There, you know, there was things that we always as a folk valued. And
00:14:19.800until very recently, that was accepted. And what I think people have found, you mentioned for
00:14:24.680decades but really accelerating in the past few years has been pretty much a war on anything that
00:14:31.240you know our grandparents would have found moral and upright and valuable um and so a lot of people
00:14:39.560have come because of that and you mentioned the the anti-white sentiment out there
00:14:44.440when people have been you find this a lot but when people have been denied value for who they are
00:14:51.960they become very aware that what bonds them together in that persecution is their heritage.
00:15:00.920And so it makes them want to look into that heritage. And, you know, I think that a lot
00:15:06.620of people have come home to the Astro Folk Assembly, but I think that the way the world has
00:15:10.380been, they've pushed a lot of people towards looking into their ancestry and looking into
00:15:15.080their ancestral faith. So that's been a positive through, you know, the various social changes
00:15:20.420we've seen in the past however many years it's brought a lot of our people home because they've
00:15:25.780seen a soulless situation on the outside and they've wanted to come into something that has
00:15:32.980has more of what you mentioned is eternal with our folk
00:15:38.180what do you think accounts for that beautiful turn as you were saying and we've seen this too
00:15:44.180something jason and i have been observing um increasingly it's a great thing is that turn from
00:15:51.700people who are a little more on the fringe which you know we do want to be
00:15:55.780compassionate about that too because there is a sense of uh the people who are usually going
00:16:02.260to be most open-minded to things that are outside of the mainstream have been left aside by the
00:16:07.700mainstream for some reasons and a lot of them might be very well-intentioned people they're
00:16:12.740They're just looking for something in their lives or they're a little lost.
00:16:16.380Obviously, some people, it's all different situations.
00:16:20.620Some people might not have all the social intelligence or they may have been kind of warped by certain ideas about violence and things like that.
00:16:29.080And obviously, we can't countenance that.
00:16:30.760We tell people, if you want to do that kind of thing, you go talk about that elsewhere, not here.
00:16:35.860And we're here for you if you want to come back.
00:16:38.080um but there's still that general umbrella of a kind of a fringe thing and i think we all
00:16:46.240have a sense of what that might mean and some of the different characters you might encounter
00:16:49.920and then there's this term that you're describing over the last few years towards
00:16:55.480a wider swath of people who just want something wholesome and healthy in their lives and people
00:17:04.280that want good community and they want to contribute, they want to feel their lives
00:17:08.560are meaningful, and there's a tremendous focus on family. You said that there are children
00:17:13.380at so many events. It's ubiquitous at all the AFA things. What do you think's accounted
00:17:20.720for that turn over the last few years, that growth?
00:17:25.440I think there's been a couple of different factors. If I could kind of sum up what I
00:17:29.700think the difference is is a positive versus a negative focus i think a lot of the fringe people
00:17:36.880that had an interest early on wanted to be also true because they're not christian or they wanted
00:17:44.380to be also true because they're not this or they're not that what we've tried what i specifically in
00:17:52.300my time as also you've tried very hard to do is focus exclusively on what we do like what we do
00:17:59.320support, what we are about, the things we do value. And we found a lot of people coming here
00:18:05.200for, to be Ausatru, not to just not be whatever it was that they were that wasn't working.
00:22:46.160Well, I suppose there's two things, there's a lot of little
00:22:49.640things, but two really big categories. One, we try extremely
00:22:55.860hard to encourage nobility in our people and to remind them that being noble people that was how
00:23:03.860we defined ourselves initially and going out and thinking about things in terms of what the noble
00:23:12.180thing to do is in a given situation and lifting yourself up carrying yourself with a certain
00:23:16.820amount of dignity and i think it dovetails with the with the other part of that which is
00:23:21.620having an attitude towards success. I think we've all seen, you know, if we've been involved in
00:23:30.340taking a concern for our people over the past years and decades,
00:23:35.280there was an attitude that was very prevalent. And I think we still face a little bit of it of,
00:23:40.660we can't win, we can't be successful. So we might as well let it all hang out and lose gloriously
00:23:47.320or whatever. And we don't want any part of that. We want to win. Let's focus on what we can do.
00:23:54.500Let's focus on what we can build and accomplish. If we start the game realizing we're going to
00:24:01.000lose and planning how to lose, never get anywhere. And so we've been focused on the idea of losing
00:24:09.540doesn't come into our minds. We're going to win. So how do we win? What victories can we achieve?
00:24:16.080what can we accomplish and when people are focused on accomplishment and victory they do
00:24:22.640stuff that they didn't you know their mind wouldn't even let them conceive as a possibility
00:24:27.520so building each other up building pride in ourselves in our community and where we come from
00:24:33.200and trying for you know swinging at the swinging at the pitch trying for the things we want
00:24:41.680um and they sound really really simple but it's made all the difference in the world
00:24:46.720and you know you mentioned what change it's it's done to people i've watched i've watched so many
00:24:52.080people build confidence in themselves so many young especially young white men get involved
00:24:58.400and build a lot of self-confidence that they didn't have um i've watched families grow in
00:25:04.480in the AFA. I met my wife at an AFA event and now we have a lovely daughter. All the children being
00:25:11.580born. You know, another thing that always hurts me is when I hear young white couples or young1.00
00:25:16.680white individuals questioning whether or not they should have a family, you know, like the world's
00:25:22.640so messed up, you know, who are we to bring kids into that thought process? It hurts my heart when
00:25:29.880I hear that. And it's been beautiful in the AFA to just see all these families. And I think that's
00:25:34.460another sign of self-confidence and hope and excitement for the future. So we've seen that a
00:25:42.060lot individually. We've seen a lot of people with various things in their past. We've seen people
00:25:46.900with criminal pasts. We've seen people with addiction problems master those things and get
00:25:53.940the things they want in their life. We've had some guys that spent a lot of time locked up,
00:25:58.580a lot of time in a really bad place, never thought they could get a degree in a career that they
00:26:04.400wanted, never thought they could have a family, never thought they could do these things, because
00:26:08.840again, their mind was focused on losing, not on winning. I've watched so many of those guys
00:26:14.140succeed and build a beautiful life for themselves. And as a group, we all benefit. The more of our
00:26:20.160people can achieve that and can get the life that they want, a life that's fitting for our people,
00:26:25.920it raises us all up. So it's been really beautiful to watch that over the past few years.
00:26:30.820that is uh i popped into my head with something you said in the beginning about how you're in
00:26:38.02014 different countries um what is that like the getting the little communications from people who
00:26:45.180participate in this in other countries uh and especially we're always curious to hear about
00:26:50.940within the great true diversity within european peoples uh because we are definitely not the that
00:26:58.380stereotype unfortunately sometimes of americans who think in just because we're all of european
00:27:04.860descent sometimes people especially in europe on the old continent i think some americans just use
00:27:11.580this word white we use the word white just because it's in the common vernacular everyone knows what
00:27:15.500it means it means your european heritage but uh we like to say that in our vision as you said when
00:27:22.140when we win, the different ethnicities within that wider umbrella of our peoples and civilization
00:27:29.160will become even more of what they are. So there's all of these different iterations,
00:27:35.040even regionalisms. Obviously, the United States is a huge place, and there's a lot of different
00:27:39.720white ethnic regions. But we're always curious to hear when someone, when we either have an
00:27:47.280international guest, or someone who's traveled, or in your case, someone who's at the helm of an
00:27:52.240organization that has members internationally outside of the U.S., about the themes, again,
00:28:00.900that tie us and bind us and the common concerns, the common ways of looking at things, the common
00:28:07.700bond that we share, even across those distances?
00:28:12.020is? Well, I think first, we're most of our international membership. We have members in
00:28:23.200Australia and New Zealand. We've got some members in Norway and Denmark, but our primary Scandinavian
00:28:29.620members are in Sweden. We have a really thriving group of people in Sweden. We have two kindreds
00:28:34.740sweden we have one kindred in ireland um and we've got a couple of folks in south africa as well and i
00:28:42.740think that certainly in the west whether whether our people choose to see the commonality of
00:28:52.740whiteness as a thing or not they're aware that other people see it as a thing and they're
00:28:57.700they find themselves in a category where it is self-evident that we have an interest as a group
00:29:06.180of people. And they appreciate that. I think we've seen, you know, I mentioned earlier about
00:29:12.380tradition, but we've seen in all of these Western nations, a huge lack of those things that we
00:29:21.200traditionally valued the virtues that we used to define men by and look up to with with reverence
00:29:28.560the the dignity that we used to look at women with the uh you know the the values that that
00:29:36.140built our our societies because they built them so well and were so comfortable have
00:29:42.400there's been a really nasty backlash against that and uh this is a way of preserving and
00:29:48.700holding on to those. You talked earlier about beauty. They're attacking beauty itself, at least
00:29:53.720beauty as expressed by our people and by our folk. So when people see that, and it's a shame that it
00:30:01.480comes to this, but I think it takes the absence of something or a fear of the loss of something
00:30:09.160sometimes for people to appreciate it and for the light bulb to come on that it's something they
00:30:14.660need to take an active interest in preserving. And I think we've not, you know, certainly we
00:30:19.780see it here, but I think that's a common thread we see internationally. Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:30:26.480Yeah. I want to say, if I could jump in really quick as we are, I guess, right around maybe
00:30:31.620roughly the halfway mark, folks, if you have any questions or comments, make sure you get them in.
00:30:36.320You can do it on Entropy. If you want to financially gift, you can financially gift
00:30:39.860there as well. You can also financially gift over on Cash App. And of course, you all know that
00:30:44.940every financial gift on tap is shared equally, Jared and myself with our guest. I do want to
00:30:52.800point out that I have attended a couple of the get-togethers of the Lansdale True Folk Kindred
00:31:01.280in Pennsylvania, and they were magnificent. Cliff and Katie are wonderful people,
00:31:08.120and there were indeed i can vouch for what matt is saying there were indeed families they had
00:31:13.700babies and they were running around and crying babies and happy babies and sad babies and uh
00:31:19.400that's a wonderful thing babies uh in every emotional state uh just as long as they're there
00:31:24.820and their smiles are there and they're getting love from our people rather than the hatred of
00:31:29.700anti-white self-hatred of anti-whiteism being taught to hate their people therefore themselves
00:31:34.580uh themselves and i i do also have i was gifted this this this drinking horn here if i could just
00:31:41.900show you all this uh katie herself uh made this and in it has i guess it's my name in ruin runes
00:31:50.860and then uh something something else i don't know if that can if you can see it it's carved right
00:31:56.020into it there it's this wonderful it's very yeah you can see it there it looks like uh it's a
00:32:01.640Splendid. Splendid gift. And thank you all very much. I'll put that back shortly. But I went on
00:32:08.080a hike and then I went to Thoroughbloat. I think I probably pronounced it wrong there, but it was
00:32:13.440a wonderful time. And I was telling Matt before we got started today that I've been in the white
00:32:19.680sympathetic spheres for over two decades. And over that two decades, I've been a member of different
00:32:25.560groups, but I've helped far more groups and attended far more groups, get togethers and
00:32:32.520festivals and parties and looking for the truth, looking for what will reach our people, looking
00:32:39.560for and experimenting, as you all know, by the way, and adding new ideas to the work that we
00:32:46.540were doing with the psychological defense to the psychological warfare that is waged against us
00:32:51.960that we articulate and detail the practice of in Go Free, and I attended over those years a great
00:32:59.380many pagan get-togethers. Some of those, it's kind of funny because I had got invited. I would be
00:33:06.080invited to events. They would say, oh, well, Jason, you know, there's going to be this event
00:33:10.920over here, Pennsylvania, Western Pennsylvania, whatever it might be. It's going to be, here's
00:33:15.200the address. Just tell them that whatever, you know, this guy's name said that he told you it
00:33:21.040was going on i would show up nobody would know who i was and they were of course i'm always clean
00:33:26.260cuts and uh nice guy my car's clean i'm clean and sometimes uh people would look at me a little you
00:33:32.920know uh the scans wondering why is this cop showing up here in the middle of our but people
00:33:40.000always warmed up to me it was a wonderful thing and but i have to say uh there were and this was
00:33:46.380at the time. I can also say that Matt is 100% correct. There was a period when all of the white
00:33:51.200sympathetic spheres had to deal with cranks, and they were showing up by the dozen, and there had0.56
00:33:59.860to be a decision to be made, and it ended up being sort of similar across all the different white
00:34:05.220sympathetic spheres, and that was, what do you do with the cranks? They add numbers, and that looks
00:34:10.240good uh to potential uh potential members prospects out there followers practitioners
00:34:16.080whatever it might be but then once the people show up they have conversations with these people and
00:34:20.620they say oh my god you know i'm going to flee from there well it was good that uh the afa
00:34:26.840they handled the cranks the same way that the rest of the white sympathetic spheres or most of
00:34:31.920the white sympathetic spheres explicit explicit white sympathetic spheres decided to get rid of0.98
00:34:36.880them thank heavens for that because these people are the majority of them are just socially inept
00:34:44.900awkward and they don't fit in and so they want to they want to be somewhere and they don't really
00:34:51.120care about western kind or what they want to get there and they want to talk about the you know
00:34:57.220the earth being on the the head of a needle or whatever it might be and just run normal folks
00:35:02.440off. So it was a good thing that they were run off. Having said that, the AFA, even when I went
00:35:09.320and I participated with Cliff and Katie's work, this is some of the best folks that I've come
00:35:14.920across in the pagan spheres. And good people, normal people, thank God. And so I was happy to
00:35:23.720participate and I will, if invited again, I'll participate in other events in the future. But I
00:35:29.640just really wanted to vouch for what matt was saying that they have a lot of normal folks and
00:35:35.620there was there's also this you know in in the pagan spheres and i think a lot of people know
00:35:40.180about this and there's you know obviously still a touch of it these antique nationalists we refer
00:35:46.260to them and as these people who laud some some piece of history from you know 100 years ago or
00:35:55.040so and then they want to imitate that and we're those we're those folks i mean when you come
00:36:00.020across them i mean you deal with them as you as you deal with them but uh i i didn't have any
00:36:04.240encounter of that sort at the lansdale true folk kindred uh and we have i don't know matt if you
00:36:10.620know we have reported on the growth of uh the afa with i guess it was was it the the uh boulders
00:36:20.480Hoff in Minnesota, and they bought a church building, and then there was some contention
00:36:25.240there. And now we understand there to be some harmony there between the Asatru folks and the
00:36:34.180townspeople. I wonder if you might be able to speak to that for a moment so that folks can see
00:36:38.640that once there is interaction with Asatru, then things smooth out. The misconceptions and the
00:36:46.620like, they end up getting smoothed out before we continue with what Mr. George had for you?
00:36:52.660Well, there's kind of three phases. First, when we get a Hoff,
00:37:00.620assuming that the media doesn't come in to poison the well, there's no problem. But we saw in Murdoch,
00:37:08.680Minnesota, the media come in and manufacture outrage that wasn't there. We candidly found
00:37:16.160reporters getting frustrated that they were going door to door, try to, you know, find the outrage
00:37:21.120and it wasn't forthcoming. But they spent a lot of time and effort to generate rage and generate
00:37:27.640problems. But when we looked into who it was, it was all outside people. It wasn't the community
00:37:34.100itself. Ever since our people have been there remodeling and building and working on Baldur's
00:37:40.680Hoff, they've had nothing but positive interaction with the community. And that's increased every,
00:37:47.240you know, every couple of weeks, every week that we're out there, we've made good friends with our
00:37:52.000neighbors. And that's going to get even better as we start doing more charity and more community
00:37:58.360interaction that way. But there's, you know, we had a lot of threats that a bunch of people were
00:38:04.060going to show up and they were going to bust people in and all kind of craziness was going
00:38:08.400to happen at our grand opening. And when we had our dedication of Baldershoff, there's no problems,
00:38:15.200just a bunch of beautiful people gathered to worship our gods. It was a really, really nice
00:38:21.560thing. And we've seen that. We certainly saw that in Brownsville with Odenshoff.
00:38:25.880We've seen positive community interaction with all the man on the street folks that we meet in North Carolina at Thorshoff.
00:38:34.680The common denominator, if there's ever a problem, is the media telling the community they should be scared, them being scared, and then them meeting us and not being scared anymore.
00:38:47.600So it's been all the actual, the real life interaction has been really, really amazing.
00:38:52.500And I'm trying hard to think now because I want to be honest with you.
00:38:56.280We have not had any negative in-person interaction with anybody in either of those three communities.
00:39:03.960We've had a lot of positive interaction, though.
00:39:06.620A lot of people just drive by and wave and, you know, wish us well.
00:39:10.960I just want to say quickly, Jay, please, just one moment, that when I was with the Lansdale Truffaut Kindred,
00:39:19.480there was no hostility and for all of our i'm mentioning this for all of our our christian and
00:39:25.640catholic mormon brothers and sisters out there who are going free practicing go free there was
00:39:32.180no hostility for christians the the respect for christianity catholicism mormonism no hostility
00:39:39.660so if you've had interaction not every pagan is the same pagan it's just like not every christian
00:39:45.860denomination as the same Christian or it's it's you have a variety so you if you've come across
00:39:52.040a pagan and they were just vicious as all heck when it came to Christianity that it didn't happen
00:39:58.360at least as far as I saw in the AFA Cliff was in fact he spoke about respect for Christianity and
00:40:07.160the different faiths that our people might be practicing and that is definitely what we do in
00:40:11.880the practice of go free and that's why go free is universal it works it's a practice that works
00:40:16.800everywhere and and empowers all of our people and all of their religions or atheism or whatever it
00:40:23.400might be that and all of their patriotism it empowers them in all of these different areas0.92
00:40:27.360that's definitely the kind of thing because we know that what matters right now is white well-being
00:40:34.020all of the other things are the sort of adornment to what we put on to our particular tastes and
00:40:41.060the like. And we likened it before, Mr. George and I have, to the Alamo and two of the soldiers
00:40:46.340there arguing over what the future economy of Texas would be like. I mean, there's just no time
00:40:50.940for that sort of thing. We're going to allow each other to worship the way each other worship
00:40:55.700and or be a patriot for our different countries or different patriotism. But at the same time,
00:41:02.200we're all going to come together for the well-being of our people. No question about that.
00:41:06.140But Mr. George, you were about to say something. Oh, well, no, I didn't cut off anything. And you know, we have a free flowing conversation here. I see some people in the chat asking questions. There's a few things I want to get to before we get to some chat questions. And some of this might address some of the questions in the chat.
00:41:23.360why don't we stay on the theme though that jason's kind of opened up because i know we all wanted to
00:41:28.520talk about this anyway so we'll just we'll go with what we've already been discussing
00:41:32.720obviously what you do matt one of your roles i would imagine i would use the word ambassador
00:41:39.140it sounds like both within your community and then again to the rest of the world or any uh
00:41:46.000general towns you find yourself in when you're in a hof let's say like you've been describing
00:41:50.960and as we've been discussing there's this pervasive anti-whiteism that's going around
00:41:59.920it's been coming to a boiling point we know it's been building for a long time
00:42:04.880when i was putting in afa in a search engine earlier obviously i'm sure you well know this
00:42:14.140most of the first search results unfortunately say things like supremacist and hate group
00:42:22.900If you have any whiff of being positive whatsoever about your European heritage, it's automatically branded that.
00:42:31.020One of the silver linings, as you were saying, in your example of people meeting you, and we have our own versions of this, is the cognitive dissonance.
00:42:40.280When people actually begin to check out what we do and who we are, it's so vastly different from how the media portrays it that a lot of that can actually work in our favor.
00:42:49.380but it takes it definitely takes a certain type of person to be able to navigate that
00:42:54.980and i can imagine what's on your shoulders as a leader and a representative of this organization
00:42:59.940so just a general question just to address it through any angle you see fit but anything you
00:43:07.700could share about navigating that tricky territory of not watering down what it is you do what your
00:43:13.380convictions are, but knowing that the average person out there is steeped in this programming
00:43:19.520that they got through the media and education their whole lives, and that there is that barrier
00:43:24.740to break through for them to even begin to think about anything positive about their heritage and
00:43:31.680the people they come from and celebrating that, et cetera. Well, you made a good point that
00:43:39.240the media has overplayed its hand. And, you know, the forces that are arrayed against us
00:43:47.680have overplayed their hand. And they've painted, as you said, anybody with the slightest inkling
00:43:53.440of pride and where any white people with the inkling of pride in themselves or where they0.98
00:43:57.860come from as these horrible, bigoted, supremacist racists that they're expecting to see a monster.0.92
00:44:06.600And when you show them a noble, respectable, you know, decent looking human being treating them fairly, they don't know how to merge those two in their head because they don't go together.0.82
00:44:20.080The reason they don't go together is because it's not real.
00:44:23.440But, yeah, the best thing and I but you mentioned programming and I don't think that you defeat programming by eloquent arguments.
00:44:33.680Most of the people that want to engage you in an argument over this topic in this day and age, it's not a quest for truth.
00:44:42.640It's a quest for gotcha or to virtue signal to their friends.
00:44:46.660They're not interested in what you have to say.
00:44:48.840What I found is the most valuable thing, and these are with people that are potentially friends, all the way to people who are hard on the other side, is being the example that you talk about wanting your people to be.
00:45:06.840look nice it's one of those things and i've seen this i've seen in a lot of real world situations
00:45:12.400if you look nice and you look happy and you have a nice looking family with you
00:45:19.320they may parrot the same things that they've been taught to parrot but you can
00:45:24.940hear the lack of conviction in their voice they want to see the you know yeah they want to see
00:45:32.900the monster that they've been been shown. And when they don't see that, whether they admit to it or
00:45:38.300not, it forces a process in their head. And I've seen that a lot. And so that's, I mean, that's in
00:45:43.400more extreme circumstances. When dealing with regular folks, grocery store interactions are
00:45:52.100different. But as far as people in your personal life, if you establish yourself as a good person
00:45:59.220and a trustworthy person, when they find out, you know, things that are politically incorrect
00:46:07.320that you think in relation to your pride in yourself, they look at those things entirely
00:46:13.160different because they see you as a person and they know that their friend is not this monster
00:46:19.100the media paints their friend as. And so I think that's the best thing you can do is show up
00:46:24.380looking good acting positive and never acting guilty or ashamed right sometimes when we're
00:46:31.820embarrassed because the situation we're in we act a certain way and it just signals you know guilt
00:46:39.820to the other side don't do that have your head up have your chest out be proud of who you are
00:46:45.580be open to talking people never never be ashamed of of our folk and where we come from we we're
00:46:52.620beautiful and amazing people that have done so much for this world i'd imagine some of it from
00:46:59.820what i know and i don't i don't even know if you really use this word but when you see again you
00:47:04.540do little internet searches and you see that there's various points of view in what's generally
00:47:10.300as an umbrella term called pagan communities or people that are interested in paganism
00:47:14.220And there is a more contemporary view that's been, I guess, in vogue post-World War II
00:47:22.680and definitely came to the fore in the 60s that's kind of this cafeteria style.
00:47:28.820And, you know, I'm a person who I can understand to a certain degree.
00:47:32.820I have an interest in different spiritual practices from around the world.
00:47:36.060And on an intellectual level, it could be very interesting and titillating.
00:47:41.240I know for some, they want to feel that even if they take it on as a personal practice, that they have the freedom to engage with whatever they want to engage with. And again, on a certain level of an interest, I could see that.
00:47:59.520but they don't seem to understand and i'm curious you know however you frame this or what your
00:48:08.320response to this is because i know this is often the criticism levied against you within these
00:48:13.380circles of of uh why can't i participate in this if i'm of a different heritage ergo you are these
00:48:22.060monsters um not that it's always as simple as pointing out the flip side thing i know that
00:48:30.140that sometimes that's kind of a quick easy internet level of argument and sometimes the
00:48:34.860argument needs something a little more robust than that but sometimes as a quick example it does work
00:48:41.180where you could say look what if the three of us what if me you and jason showed up to a group
00:48:48.300about ancient chinese folkways or a particular group of people who are from a particular part
00:48:54.220of africa who are celebrating the the way that their tribes used to do things in africa
00:49:02.220um sure they might welcome us if it was a friendly kind of situation best case scenario
00:49:07.900they might welcome us as guests we might be curious in a cultural level oh you know what
00:49:12.780what do these people do what how do they view the universe what are their folk practices um but but
00:49:19.020for us to show up as three men of european descent and then begin to participate in the rituals begin
00:49:25.820to enmesh ourselves in the community begin to say that we can be part of decision-making process
00:49:31.660well if we did something like that it would be seen absolutely as overstepping our bounds
00:49:37.020as i'm sure we'd be i'm sure there'd be much more colorful much pointed language than that
00:49:41.900you know we'd be colonists and and all kinds of things um and no one ever seems to think of it
00:49:48.780the other way the the second you say you could be the most wise balanced person in the world
00:49:55.820but the second you say in any way shape or form that sometimes there is a space for us people of
00:50:02.060european descent because our culture our our heritage is ours to steward and to speak again
00:50:09.420to my example we could be guests but me you and jason could never be stewards of a chinese
00:50:16.620organization or or an african folk organization or anything take your pick this is ours to steward
00:50:22.620and even on a metaphysical level i don't want to get too out there but i've done my own writing
00:50:26.940about this because i had to think this through for myself when i began all this um i just think
00:50:32.620metaphysically it's incorrect because whatever your religious beliefs in this plane of existence
00:50:37.980in the world earthly life uh meaning is from particulars love is not this broad thing you
00:50:46.060love your wife and not other women and the fact that you love your wife and not other women is
00:50:51.740what makes that sacred and there's an element of that with your folk and your heritage as well
00:50:58.060where this we're not that and it's uh it's who we are it's ours to steward we're the continuum
00:51:03.660of that story so going back to where i began with the kinds of criticisms from the the neo-pagan
00:51:12.080types or the ones who are associated with i mean we just call it all anti-whiteism but
00:51:16.820what some people might call like the lefty pagans what what kind of approach do you take with that
00:51:23.900criticism of the fact that sometimes you do have to say look when push comes to shove this is for
00:51:30.100us people of european descent you particularly focus on the northern folkways and uh
00:51:38.100there's there's really nothing to defend there but how do how do you defend it for those who
00:51:43.620do need to hear an explanation and let's say are coming to you in good faith let's say they are
00:51:48.260somewhat open-minded to hear what your argument would be to that well so a couple of a couple of
00:51:55.860of particulars really specifically on that. I don't have an argument because it's not a discussion.
00:52:01.140I'm happy to explain to them what our position is and why it's our position, but it's not, you know,
00:52:07.680it's not open to their approval or disapproval. So I really don't try to defend it or justify it to
00:52:14.480them. I tell them simply why. And quite frankly, we believe that our gods are our most ancient
00:52:21.780ancestors, and that this is part of our birthright for them is this is how we relate to the divine.
00:52:29.780And I think that it is the ultimate in diversity and tolerance that we don't claim that our gods
00:52:37.000are the gods of all these other races. These are our gods. They created us and have a unique
00:52:43.580relationship with us. We fully believe in the validity of these other ethnic groups,
00:52:49.600of their ethnic folk religions and the legitimacy that those have to them and to their destiny.
00:52:57.360We absolutely believe that. But you mentioned the criticisms, and you'd said the criticism for,
00:53:03.340hey, I'm of a different race, why can't I practice? We very rarely get that. What we get is,
00:53:10.480well, what if this one guy that I don't know happens to be of a different race and wants to
00:53:15.260join. We get a lot of hypotheticals, but we don't have, you know, large numbers of people of other
00:53:22.240races trying to join the AFA. They have their own things, hopefully, that are very satisfying to them
00:53:27.380spiritually. Right, right. It's largely a made-up scenario, or it's a guilt-ridden one, like, you
00:53:34.960know, well, my cousin, you know, married a, you know, a woman of a different race and has a
00:53:40.080multiracial child. So you're telling me that I'm sorry that your cousin made that life choice.
00:53:46.060That's, it's not, you know, it's not on me to justify that and make you and your family feel
00:53:51.740better. That's something you guys got to deal with internally. Our position is strong and solid on it.
00:53:57.760But you mentioned a lot of this coming from the pagan spheres. And you said, you know,
00:54:01.900you don't know if I even use that term. And I don't. We try not to, certainly,
00:54:07.680certainly we are pagan that's i mean get a dictionary that we are but as far as that
00:54:14.600terms general meaning at least here in the united states it's a lot of very far left very uh
00:54:22.800it's a lot of folks that very often are looking for license for any kind of frivolity and
00:54:30.700degeneracy and eroding of tradition and we so you ask how we deal with that one of the big
00:54:37.040things that we've done is very clearly separating ourselves from that. There was a time the AFA had
00:54:43.840a lot of overlap with these other pagan circles. We don't have that anymore. We're doing our thing.
00:54:52.240We're practicing Ausitru. We would love for people to come practice Ausitru with us,
00:54:57.760but we don't consider ourselves part of this greater pagan milieu of people because we really
00:55:02.480don't believe we have any points of commonality in that i'm glad to hear what you said about the
00:55:10.880hypotheticals it seems to make sense and again it tracks with a lot of what we talk about here
00:55:16.720the term i brought up before that jason introduced me to that i've taken on myself
00:55:21.920bio spirit and well many people here have
00:55:25.040what uh it seems that the european man if anything especially in modern times but i think that this
00:55:34.960is probably still part of our bio spirit and something we need to keep in check it's kind of
00:55:39.360a conundrum uh something that we talk about sometimes here we have to be aware of our own
00:55:45.520blind spots or how things can possibly get uh go from being a quirk to this major achilles heel
00:55:52.800uh it seems like of all the peoples of earth that it is our people who are most likely
00:55:59.840to say oh i'll go check out this amerindian shaman group or something like that like will
00:56:11.040be the ones and i even see that in myself to be honest i'm a very outward looking kind of person
00:56:17.520i have an open personality type i'm highly creative um so i see that in myself and i
00:56:23.200have and as i said i had to do a lot of thinking a lot of reflecting um to kind of harmonize those
00:56:29.680the different instincts within myself before i stepped out because i wanted to be clear
00:56:34.640and have integrity with what i do uh but what do you what do you think that is how do you think we
00:56:39.600navigate that obviously the conditions of the modern world have exacerbated that tremendously
00:56:44.800but I still think that it speaks to some kind of outward looking adventurousness that our people
00:56:50.960have. Maybe it's twinned with the same drive that saw us sail ships across oceans and things like
00:56:57.400that. But there is that stereotype of the white man who wants to go native.
00:57:04.320So I think that there's two parts to it. And the healthy and the good part is what you just
00:57:09.800mentioned, the Faustian instinct of our folk to search for that far horizon and to surpass that,
00:57:18.480to explore, to expand our will as far as we can, to learn new things. That curiosity is a hallmark
00:57:29.980of our folk. And I think that's a really good thing. But what's become coupled with it and
00:57:37.920metastasized in it is a awareness of our own lack of deeply held convictions and deeply held
00:57:49.940traditions. And I think we've seen this grow in the West. We've watched it during, you know,
00:57:54.940the Enlightenment or other periods, but it's really come to a fever pitch now where our own
00:58:00.120traditions and our own values have been eroded to the point that we often look to these much more
00:58:06.140traditional cultures, and that they've been able to have that integrity. The cultures that you
00:58:12.160mentioned that we look into, if you look at them, they're not the melting pots that the modern
00:58:17.680West, certainly the United States, has become. They're homogenous cultures with a living tradition
00:58:22.740that's ancient and that's celebrated. And I think that there's a part of us that longs for that and
00:58:28.360wishes we had it. And so we try to find it out there. And I think it's the same, the same drive
00:58:37.820that we do in the Astru Folk Assembly. Instead of trying to find it out there,0.86
00:58:42.520we try to find it in here and, and reconnect with it and rebuild, I guess, reforge the sword that
00:58:50.900was broken. And that's fundamental to what we do. But I think that it speaks to a longing in the
00:58:57.680part of European man to have tradition and to have some homogenous culture and value and beliefs
00:59:08.300that are ours. It's certainly been hidden from us, obfuscated. Do you find that sometimes people
00:59:15.800who come to AFA had dipped their toes in other communities first? Like I said, the Amerindian
00:59:25.120sweat lodge or trekking across india hanging out with hindu gurus or something and as you said
00:59:31.600uh you you can certainly learn things from there you know there could be cultural exchange again
00:59:37.120i'm not i i i wouldn't be true to myself if i was saying no one should ever do that my thing is
00:59:44.260if you have a strong core if you have a strong anchor then you can kind of venture out into the
00:59:50.140world because you know where your home port is you have this nucleus to return to internally and
00:59:56.380then also with community people you know what you practice like what you do uh so do you find that
01:00:03.820that people were were kind of trekking around and checking out other cultures first and then they
01:00:07.980said this is what i was looking for but it's actually my thing it's in my blood it's in my
01:00:12.540spirit so it's a tale of two indians um originally i'd say back in the 80s and 90s we had folks that
01:00:21.180would try to find that within um native american circles they would try to get involved in different
01:00:29.660sweat lodge things like you mentioned and they try to find that there um fortunately some people
01:00:35.340who were involved with us were told very you know directly by some native american elders you know
01:00:41.260that they ought to drink from their own well and that brought them to also true um recently
01:00:47.820you find it more with people who um have delved deeply into hinduism or into buddhism and you
01:00:58.700know the other indians and uh spent that time exploring that and at least that harkens back
01:01:08.060to a shared value back in ancient times into a shared root civilization um but yeah you find
01:01:17.500you find that from time to time now i think you find it a lot less now than you did back
01:01:24.14020 or 30 years ago and a lot of people looking in a lot of different ethnic traditions then
01:01:29.420now most of the people that come to the astro folk assembly have been you know focused on on
01:01:36.780ethnically congruent things up until this point or seemingly so with with different sects of
01:01:41.820christianity we also have a lot of people coming from atheism this is a little bit off your
01:01:47.980question but not entirely um take it wherever you need well i was going to say early on there
01:01:53.900was a lot of people with a very strong christian tradition in their family they were raised in the
01:01:58.060church. And so the transition from Christianity into Ausitru, you know, has its own, has its own
01:02:07.460steps to go through. Recently, with the drop in Christianity and the drop in, you know, regular0.89
01:02:15.040church attendance, people who are in their, in their 20s coming into Ausitru now, very few of
01:02:21.500them have that strong church background. They're often coming in as atheists or with some kind of,
01:02:29.640you know, vague philosophical spirituality, but without a real religion. So what we're adjusting
01:02:36.560to is not people converting from one faith to our faith, but people converting from no faith
01:02:44.300to our faith. And that looks very different, but that's what we face most often now.
01:02:51.500say i remember that phrase from stephen mcnellen's book about drinking from your own well and someone
01:03:01.340he knew that tried to check out the sweat lodges i remember that anecdote uh but that phrase drink
01:03:06.140from your own well i think that that's just a great little powerful little uh little collection
01:03:14.140of words we have excuse me several people in the chat retype that after you said it it obviously
01:03:19.980hits home it's one of those that just cuts through you you get it you immediately get it when you say
01:03:24.620drink from your own well uh on that note i'm glad it's kind of wrapped up as it to this point and
01:03:30.380i've been really enjoying this and i know that chat is as well we're seeing some great questions
01:03:34.540and comments and before we get to those and some of jason uh he'll take the questions from the chat
01:03:40.860and some of his own comments i have one more and it actually goes perfectly with what you've been
01:03:45.660saying and uh it's a broad question i'm sure we could do a whole show or series of shows just on
01:03:52.460this so i guess you'll just have to focus on one aspect but uh take your pick take us into
01:04:01.340some kind of gathering or celebration that uh engenders this experience of being connected to
01:06:27.320If it's a whole day event, we'll maybe have two or three different discussions about something.
01:06:33.000Often we'll break off in a men's group and a women's group to talk in those contexts about about our faith and our lives and things we can do to to better fulfill those roles in it.
01:06:45.600We'll get together in the main worship ceremony that we do is called a bloat and depends.
01:06:52.260very often we'll get together outside in a big circle. At some of our hoffs, we'll gather inside
01:06:59.380in kind of a square or circular formation. Inside, we'll focus a lot of that attention on,
01:07:06.580we have some beautiful murals of Thor and of Balder, respectively, and we'll focus our attention
01:07:13.260that way. And yeah, we'll gather around in that circle and we'll pass a horn of meat around.
01:07:20.100The Gothi or the Githia will carry the horn from person to person.
01:07:24.420And one of those rounds with the horn is a giving round where you imbue that horn with with your positivity, with your loyalty, with your love, with your thanksgiving, with your worship for the gods.0.96
01:07:40.200We'll take a second horn around and either drink from it or if it's a large crowd, we'll asperge it with a evergreen time.
01:07:47.400And that's the giving round. That's where we're sharing the blessings of of that God, of our gods to the folk.
01:07:57.520It sounds very simple, and I think fundamentally it is. But the theme of the day is is communion, not in a Catholic sense, but in the same sense of sharing as a group.
01:08:10.600We share our food. We share the preparation of the food. We share our energy with the gods and they share their energy with us in return.
01:08:20.280And it sounds really simple, but it can be so very powerful for the people in that circle.
01:08:27.840So, yeah, then we'll do that. We'll come together, usually have our big meal that evening.
01:08:32.440And then in the evening with the people that can stay in the and stay around a little bit later, we'll have what's called a symbol.
01:08:38.080An assemble is a ritualized drinking ceremony where people will make toasts, and those usually have three rounds, one for our gods, one for our ancestors, and then one of the rounds is for the heroes, where you may raise a horn to somebody you admire, a friend of yours that has done something, something special that way.
01:09:03.420but that's a time where uh folks really like to open up my wife just brought by her we have
01:09:10.520someone about to steal the show yeah somebody requested earlier that i let her pop on if she1.00
01:09:17.480could i hope that's all right yeah i've seen her on instagram but please introduce us what a what
01:09:24.440a beauty yeah this is aubrey rose flavel she's the most beautiful girl in the entire world
01:19:52.760June, I have to look at my calendar, but I'm going to say 11th, 12th, 13th, if not the weekend closest
01:19:58.260to those dates, at Odenshoff in Brownsville, California. That's probably going to be our
01:20:03.720biggest event of the year. That's kind of our flagship national celebration that we've done.
01:20:10.380And yeah, I'm looking forward to that. It's going to be a three-day event. So that's going to be,
01:20:15.260that's going to be nice. We've got that coming up next. In September, and I'd have to check on
01:20:21.880exact dates in September. We've got Fall Fest, which is another one of our national events.
01:20:27.000That's going to be held at Baldershof in Murdoch, Minnesota. So we got that coming up. Right now,
01:20:33.240we're doing some stuff behind the scenes, getting some finances in order, and we're scouting out
01:20:38.120what our plan is for our next hoff that we're going to establish. This one's going to be
01:20:43.480dedicated to the god of friendly waterways and of voyages and of fishing and making use of those
01:20:54.040waterways, Njord. So Njord's Hoff is upcoming. We need to figure out where we're doing that
01:20:59.480and how we're doing that. And we're planning that on the back end right now.
01:21:04.760Nice. Well, thank you for that answer. And Rob, thank you for the gift and the question.
01:21:09.400we have fit and healthy at any age financially gifting three dollars no amount of money can
01:21:16.440ever repay jason for the gift of go free my children will never suffer from guilt or shame
01:21:24.200due to their skin color thank you a thousand times well you are most welcome fit and healthy
01:21:30.360at any age no they absolutely should not suffer for being a member of western kind for that
01:21:35.480beautiful bio spirit that uh burns like the flash of creation in their hearts thank you so much for
01:21:42.980those kind words and and that financial gift and back again with a another three dollar financial
01:21:48.060gift fit and healthy at any age once again i i also really like the name there uh it writes i'm
01:21:54.660attempting to spread the message of go free at the gym and many seem open to the idea is the meme
01:22:03.000it's okay to be white a good baby step what has been a good approach for others thank you well
01:22:11.180that's a fantastic question we don't have a lot of time to dig into it if you could come back on
01:22:17.740sunday 5 p.m eastern standard time and put that exact same question in the question widget
01:22:24.540on entropy here remind me that you asked it here today just in case uh there's a possibility that
01:22:31.200I forget, and we can address it in greater depth. But I would not use, it's okay to be white.0.86
01:22:40.940It is a statement that is within the anti-white narrative, and we never use any speech that is0.70
01:22:48.660inside the anti-white narrative because it is burdened with, infected with what we refer to as
01:22:56.800thought chains uh premises unspoken premises uh that lead you to lose the conversation and the
01:23:04.160anti-white or the vague the normal the just the the not normal but the average person out there
01:23:09.520brother or sister which we refer to as a vague leads them to outcomes and thoughts that will
01:23:16.560defeat you in conversation make you look like the bad guy i predicted when this came out this it's
01:23:21.760okay to be white, the first maybe two weeks of it, that it would be easily defeated. I shared0.83
01:23:28.800exactly how it would be easily defeated by anti-whites and vagues. And then a non-white,1.00
01:23:35.080anti-white student, high school student, defeated it on television, interviewed by a reporter who
01:23:42.160simply responded, of course, it's okay to be white. It's just not okay to be a racist. So instead,
01:23:47.540Instead, I suppose that you have GoFree, look into GoFree, and you'll see that there are a great many ways that you can begin to discuss things with people at the gym.
01:23:57.900One of the easiest things to do, and that empowers you for the rest of the conversation, is to refer to the things that are happening to us as anti-white, to refer to the policies in the United States as anti-white, and to refer to that ideology as anti-white-ism.
01:24:13.360It's all objectionable because it's anti-white and it is from the ideology of anti-white-ism.0.53
01:24:20.040When you discuss things with people from that perspective, they are in our story and they can only go wrong if they intend us harm.
01:24:28.280But come back on Sunday. We'll go into it a little bit deeper.
01:24:30.740Thank you for reaching out to the community because it's clear that you understand that your well-being is only achievable by way of our group's well-being, our people's well-being.
01:24:40.460We have Rory, financially gifting, $3.