00:00:00.000without any further ado witness fine can you give us tell us uh about the gil fagging where it comes
00:00:16.400from what it is and uh feel free to go ahead and start off with what you want our folks to know
00:00:23.520about it this evening? So the, the Gilfagining or Gilfagining or I mean, the translation of it is
00:00:33.100hard for a lot of folks as far as exactly how it's kind of placed together. I always say
00:00:40.300the Gilfagining, the, the, the tricking of King Galfi, the delusion of King Galfi or the,
00:00:48.140kind of illusion of the mind, if you will, is really Snorri Sturluson's setting up of
00:00:59.700more or less a handbook or a manual for scalds to utilize as a backdrop, a format,
00:01:13.280that in order for them to continue on the tradition of of uh poetry um there are many different styles
00:01:19.520of poetry that were utilized and um i think that this represents the corpus of of lore as a story
00:01:29.360to be transformed into poetic um format i think that was his first and foremost intention um i
00:01:36.560believe that Snorri Sturluson was an Icelandic nationalist, especially given the time of
00:01:43.920politics with Denmark and with Norway. And one of the key factors, I think, in his drive,
00:01:52.000almost in a sense of formulating national pride, was to keep the poetic formulations alive and to
00:02:00.720keep them going and this you know it's coming uh quite a long time after the conversion of iceland
00:02:09.440in the year 1000. uh you know by the uh by 1220 you know snorris uh studlesson and um
00:02:18.800saxo grammaticus were starting to really formulate their lore and build it together it wasn't found
00:02:24.640until a lot later and actually uh you know disseminated but it was more or less i think uh
00:02:32.560its intention was set early on to uh and that's why like during the um uh gilvigating when you
00:02:41.760see a lot of things he references other other scalds and he he talks he pulls from the poetic
00:02:48.320ate us and shows that the uh certain he mentions certain skulls utilizing things in references to
00:02:56.560um the shields of valhall or or um you know just in the turnings of of certain verses
00:03:04.080he'll say you know such did brag braggy the wise or of uh you know of uh actually let me see i have
00:03:10.880one of their names right here um let me see
00:03:20.560so while spawns looking some of you might not know as far as spawn street cred spawn is by birth
00:03:26.560an icelander so uh he's sharing some of the the nation of his births uh heritage and poetic
00:03:34.960tradition with us tonight i always default to spawn on pronunciation and things of that nature
00:03:42.800yeah um it says like thus says uh bragi the ancient scald that gavion drew uh from gelfi
00:03:51.680gladly the waves drove freehold um so he's referencing how they would utilize it poetically
00:03:59.200and when you get translations there are a lot of different translations but
00:04:01.920But, you know, the idea of transferring meaning and also holding to a literative format is the big, I would say, the biggest hurdle that a lot of translators try to do.
00:04:18.240They don't want to lose the meaning, but they want to try to maintain the poetic format, predominantly being in Fornidaslaug, the old style of alliterative rhyming in Icelandic.
00:04:30.300Yes, for a lot of people that might not know, I was born in Iceland. I was born in Reykjavik. I grew up speaking Icelandic until I was about six years old, and then I moved to the United States.
00:04:47.020So that's why I don't have an accent. I was the baby of the family and came here. And my father is American, but he worked for NATO and spoke the language. And for the longest time growing up, I remember thinking that he was a police officer when he was in uniform. He worked with NATO up there and was a sub-hunter. So he was looking for Russian submarines and was working with them.
00:05:12.180So as far as my linguistics go conversationally, I would not be so filled with hubris to proclaim I have conversational, but pronunciation and reading it and also being able to look through translations and kind of get an idea based off of other words, what they may mean is the huge, I think, strength that me and you kind of often
00:05:42.740you know pass around is the idea of what could these things mean um there's a a perfect example
00:05:49.540is like with emir emir or a lot of americans call it you know yimmer uh the emir uh goes by another
00:05:58.660name oh i would get our yelmer or yelmer the g is not a hard g uh and it and yelmer means to
00:06:06.900scream or to roar or to uh primordial sound um an hour is often translated to being like clay
00:06:14.580but i think it means shaping and so uh because it it denotes to what you can do with clay not
00:06:20.980necessarily clay itself so the primordial shaping sound would be i think a more spiritual translation
00:06:29.380as opposed to maybe a literal one or a poetic one so that's where i think for a lot of people to
00:06:35.060understand my reasonings behind it is because it's coming from a spiritual point of view as opposed
00:06:42.660to trying to keep the poetic or even the linguistic uh truth to it um and again these are my
00:06:52.260interpretations but i you know interpretations are based uh you know every every uh publishing
00:06:57.380company and and uh scholar and i am not uh by any means like a schooled scholar i've just been a
00:07:05.060uh believer since the early 90s and has long since just poured over a lot of the writings
00:07:11.540to try to make a better understanding from a spiritual perspective so svan may not be a
00:07:19.460lettered scholar in these subjects but he is a practicing priest of the isere he sits on the
00:07:27.540witten of the church of the isere in midgard the certainly the largest and most successful
00:07:32.740real louser true organization there is um thanks fonds expertise is self-evident when you hear him
00:07:40.260talk but certainly um he is absolutely an expert in the field the other thing i'd like to say
00:07:48.580at this juncture and svan brought it up
00:07:53.300word meaning is so very important um when you look at names
00:07:59.700if they're in a foreign language they may sound cool or different but names mean things and i
00:08:08.980think that sometimes you know with the exception of a few of them in english we've lost that
00:08:13.880connection between the name and its meaning that's extremely important in our lore
00:08:22.020um the gods didn't come to us and introduce themselves by name the name was assigned to them
00:08:32.340by worshipers based on perception of the deity uh it's very important to understand the names
00:08:41.700for the high gods for their accoutrements and you know things associated with them but also for
00:08:49.860you know the the lesser carry us characters in our myth cycle but etymology and understanding
00:08:58.380names add such a depth to our lore I know a lot of you are already are already there and already
00:09:04.060do it but for some of the new folks maybe take the time to you know go down those rabbit holes
00:09:10.860of etymology as you read our lore and I think that your understanding will be much richer because of
00:09:15.500yeah uh i'm looking at some of the comments on the side here um uh tracy adler brings up yeah
00:09:27.280the gilva gilva gaining the f in the middle of the word is usually a v sound um so yeah gil
00:09:34.700gilva is of course gilfee king gulfi um and his uh ginning is tricking of himself
00:09:42.600And he goes by the name Gang Liri. Gang is the same as like in Wolfgang. It means to walk or to go, to travel the path, to take the stride. And his name Liri, kind of synonymous with like the word Liri, like a cautious, but in the Nordic sense, it means tired or kind of refusing to go further.
00:10:04.580And so it's a tongue in cheek name that he he presents to the ice here. He says, you know, I'm just I'm travel weary. I'm over walking. Basically, it's kind of the joke behind it. My feet are tired. My dogs are barking. I'm done. So I'm here and I want to ask questions.
00:10:22.480So Svahn, why is, why do we care? Why is the gilfagening of importance to us?
00:10:35.720Well, there's, in overall, I mean, this is such a, I find a great point in which we,
00:10:42.260we have to remember that the poetics, the stories that we normally talk about in story form come
00:10:49.060from poem and in the um tricking of or in in the tricking of king uh galfi we see more of a story
00:10:59.220format being supported by poetics and i think that's really important i um i have dabbled around
00:11:05.540with poetry throughout my time and trying to you know in prayer and things like that but i'm a
00:11:11.700storyteller at heart and um i think this is really important for us to remember that the the poetics
00:11:19.780are being formulated from stories that were spoken um and that that the elevation of a poet
00:11:27.700was high somebody uh you know that was had a lot of land a lot of money they could afford to have
00:11:34.500a poet in their hall memorizing these things and speaking to the to the folk and it was a treat
00:11:40.980uh much like a musician and to hear these these uh poems was uh beautiful almost sing-songy and
00:11:50.180and had a lot of uh comedy and entertainment and uh so it's i think it's really important
00:11:57.380for us firstly to know that they come from stories but when we talk about religiously
00:12:03.380There is a crossroads where this really happens to, one, us understanding the time and climate in which Snorty was in and kind of the material of the situation.
00:12:19.780A lot of things that are confusing to people are the reasonings, which are unexplained and often speculated about his euhemerism, the idea that he's writing the gods as humans.
00:12:33.200And he does it in good faith. He does it in the premise that he is not trying to usurp the power of the church. He's trying to keep the poetic form alive for Icelanders.
00:12:56.960And so it's generally accepted that Snorri was doing this in order to lessen the kind of the fervor that it would create in the people of Iceland.
00:13:08.040So on the material level, we can kind of see that and it throws a lot of people off to the idea that, you know, there were humans.
00:13:16.860But Saxo Grammaticus did this before Snorri and he did it not in good faith, being that he was a devout Christian.
00:13:23.360So he kind of showed the gods as extremely mortal, extremely filled with avarice, and oftentimes switching roles in which the gods of goodness were seen as kind of antagonistic or driven by mortal and earthly desires.
00:13:39.920So even though Saxo does play some very interesting, like, I think, nuggets of lore and interesting things to ponder about, it's more so Snorty is better to look at to building or unraveling the spiritual nature of the writing.
00:14:00.620And when we talk about it from the church aspect, I mean, obviously, a lot of people don't know certain things have already kind of been implemented.
00:14:10.260The understanding of the 12 Aesir, or the 12 Aos, the male, the gods, or the masculine, and then the 12 Aosinir, the feminine, is brought up during this time in which Gangleri asks.
00:14:32.100And it is said that the tripartite that he encounters explains to him that these are the gods that we pray to.
00:14:39.900There are other divine beings that are encapsulating in heaven, and there are not necessarily divine beings, but powerful primordial beings that we are all interacting with.
00:14:53.620But these are the 12 that you should pray to.
00:14:57.040So a lot of times when people see the Sonnenrod that's in a lot of the murals that I've been painting, the symbol of the 12-spoke wheel has become synonymous with the 12 aus and the 12 ausenier.
00:15:12.280It's the completion of the solar aspect, the idea of divinity in and of itself, the idea of being the moving power around the axis mundi or around the house himself in the temple.
00:15:29.200So a lot of that, the aspects of the 12 became a huge part of the of the church.
00:15:35.600I think one of the most notable things was the reconstruction of the holy tides. For the longest time, everyone was kind of doing different things. And as 12 became more of a prevalency in understanding and creating a foundation back towards everything that's being spoken of in the Gilfagining, we start to reiterate that through things.
00:16:04.640so what ended up becoming of the the holy tides making sure that we had 12 12 was again another
00:16:11.600reiterated number of um you know structure order amongst chaos and so taking from i guess the
00:16:21.440generally accepted eight and saying nope we are going to do one a month and it's going to cover
00:16:28.000the the spans of the year and we'll have 12 and so i think that that huge significance has as of
00:16:36.880recently i think if um anybody who's been around long and has seen this maybe wondered why this
00:16:44.160transition happened uh we've had questions on before about why sigur bloat and austera and all
00:16:50.000of these things were moved around and um that was the reasoning was to attain the order of 12
00:16:56.960um not necessarily to fill in the gaps but to see that the structure is solid in 12.
00:17:03.600how do we get there what what is the best way to achieve that order and that's i think
00:17:12.000one of the biggest things that's kind of come out of this um uh reading of as far as substantiating
00:17:19.600it within the church. Nick asks, getting us back to the, to tonight's theme. So the order of our
00:17:31.260Hoffs is from the Gilfagening. Why? Yes, it is, Nick. Yes, it is. I'm glad that you said that
00:17:37.560because it's something that I wanted to mention. It's one of the reasons I say it's one of it's
00:17:41.920the reason that we're doing this show on this topic tonight. So one of the early conversations
00:17:53.740I remember having when I first got involved in Ausatru in 2001-2002,
00:18:00.660I was with a gentleman up in Alaska. And again, that's 2001 or 2002. And Ausatru has been going
00:18:11.360since in its modern incarnation since 68 so 40 years in 34 years in or whatever anyways
00:18:21.200he was asking and we were kind of pondering like what is it what gods do we believe in
00:18:28.520which gods do we worship and these really fundamental questions stayed very nebulous
00:18:34.720because our source material is spread throughout the continent, throughout the British Isles,
00:18:42.280throughout Scandinavia, and over the course of 1,000, 1,500 years, it makes it a daunting task
00:18:51.820to exhaustively figure out which gods exist, which gods, who do we call on, who's this,
00:18:58.920who's that. There's all these endless questions, and it was time to come up with some answers.
00:19:03.620So. Around 2014, a mentor of mine at the time, a gentleman named Brad Taylor Hicks, who was the second in charge of the AFA at the time, he and I were together and we were we were contemplating this question and like, OK, so let's break it down to where we simplify.
00:19:25.160And one of the beautiful things about the Gilfagening, as opposed to it being a way to teach poetry, like so much of the rest of the Edda is in that way, the Gilfagening specifically is a way to give background, is a way to set up the cosmology of Alcetru in a coherent way that made sense to somebody who was seemingly unfamiliar.
00:19:49.880You know, all the way from the creation story through explaining our gods, explaining our goddesses, explaining the worlds and really drawing that out in a clear way.
00:20:05.940And so that clarity is really important so that we stay focused on what we do.
00:20:09.700and we decided at that point that that's the order we were gonna that those 12 are the 12 gods that
00:20:18.560it's beneficial for us to worship so we're going to start there and that's what we're going to do
00:20:24.340um and at this time this is before we had odin's house we had no office at that point
00:20:30.040but those are the 12 gods we're going to focus our worship on and at that point
00:20:34.700we were resolved together and I was resolved internally to start rebuilding that bridge
00:20:44.000between us and our gods in terms of our worship, in terms of of our temples, in terms of how this
00:20:53.240was going to go. And, you know, I didn't know I was going to be the one making those calls at
00:20:58.400that point. But that was going to be a focus of what I was doing. Early on at Odinshoff,
00:21:05.920before it was Odinshoff, it was initially called the Newgrange Hall. And we ran into a copyright
00:21:12.980issue with the Grangers who had owned the hall before us. And this was, you know, this was a
00:21:20.400decision made before I was, I was calling the shots. But very shortly after I took over,
00:21:26.840we had to rename the the hof and it was essential and crystal clear to me at that moment that we
00:21:34.780needed to dedicate that hof to odin and that we were going to from there on however long it was
00:21:42.780going to take us you know at this point had taken since 68 to 2015 to get our first hof so
00:21:50.480in the decades to come when we finally get a second hof we're going to order them in this
00:21:55.940skill fagging order. But by reestablishing that bridge, I think that has led to many,
00:22:03.600many blessings for us and an acceleration on all these things. Five years later, within five years,
00:22:13.660we got our second two Hoffs and we stayed faithful to that naming scheme. We just two years after
00:22:21.220that initial five seven years from our first half we now have our fourth half um and we're continuing
00:22:28.340in that process but yeah that's why i wanted us to talk about the significance of this poem tonight
00:22:33.460and i'm glad that you asked that question uh cody asks fawn would you say the gil fagening
00:22:39.940was a precursor to you picking up your storytelling style
00:22:43.940uh yes and no uh i wish i could say yes or no but um there's so much of the lore in the uh
00:22:58.440gilfagining that uh you can't i mean this is what this is the deep root of what we had i think this
00:23:06.000is where odin um encapsulated the mysteries of a lot of things wrapped in a lot of more of the
00:23:13.160material and an understanding uh that you know snowy was going to portray the gods as mortals
00:23:20.420but in this portrayal as we go we see so much of these secrets and and the divines and there
00:23:27.660are little things that i would i would uh in my story telling style kind of um look into try to
00:23:34.320unravel some of those secrets so i think that um the the corpus of the lore is deep and numerous
00:23:42.740but there are little things that are worth noting that i that i in my stories i try to
00:23:49.860um preface um different things from uh the formulation of adhumla uh being from
00:23:58.740the proto matter of the universe uh in niflheim um to uh uh everything from the tripartite
00:24:08.660that's being presented before gang leary in which he does see the high one and he sees even high
00:24:15.940which uh is even meaning leveled with the same height as the high one and the third or three
00:24:23.860and um so the tripartite concept uh i think is being presented there pretty clearly even though
00:24:30.820maybe even Snorty wasn't necessarily trying to present it as a kernel of knowledge that
00:24:42.020connects us to other Aryan branches of our faith. So my storytelling, I think, takes a little bit
00:24:48.900more leeway into trying to reveal little hints that help spurn thought as to why things might
00:24:55.860be presented in a certain way why there might be two horses as vehicles for the sun and two horses
00:25:02.580as vehicles for the earth but only one vehicle for the moon and out of those three celestial bodies
00:25:10.100the moon is the only one that doesn't have its own access it doesn't have its own rotational
00:25:14.900so that i think is a kernel of deeper truth that isn't necessarily uh placed out there and sometimes
00:25:22.660in my storytelling i'll try to leak those things in as just a proponent of thought that our
00:25:28.340ancestors and their knowledge may very well have been or the fact that the gods gave this knowledge
00:25:34.660to us even if king galfi is uh seen as a a real man or as seen as uh a king of men
00:25:46.740uh the the idea that uh the nobility learning power from the gods um and then transferring
00:25:52.740it to the people uh i think is important i think that that's so i will um oftentimes
00:26:00.580try to pepper those little things into my storytelling
00:26:06.820rowdy dude asks is the topic piece of literature a standalone piece or a part of a bigger collection
00:26:14.100it's fine break it down for us uh no so the guilt forgetting is uh part of i would say three pieces
00:26:22.900the scarper small or that basically the rules of the skulls and the way that um it can be
00:26:32.980spoken about or the the rules of of poetry and uh last is the uh the list of kennings
00:26:39.780uh a kind of a corpus of lore for the skulls to use and it's very very interesting because they're
00:26:46.020they kind of um allude to either common things war things or divine things um the idea of um
00:26:55.060the multiple namings of emir are kind of listed there as well um in which you know the idea that
00:27:02.500like uh brimnir uh the brimming one or a blaunir the blue uh and all yelmer the shaping screamer
00:27:12.900are all part of that so there's a lot of cool uh poetic things i think that are worth looking into
00:27:18.660and oftentimes it's glossed because um there's only a few stories in the uh gilfagening that
00:27:27.860has uh um things but for instance like one that most everybody knows is is thor's uh it's often
00:27:33.620referred to as thor's trip to jotunheim or thor's travel to jotunheim that's in uh placed within
00:27:40.260the uh uh gilfaginning so there's a lot of stuff there but it it does have as it goes into the
00:27:48.740latter half or the the latter uh two-thirds it's more driven towards poetics but there's a lot of
00:27:55.940mysteries to be gleaned in some of the kennings there so yes it is not just only there's three
00:28:01.780pieces all right since the gilfaggening speaks on ragnarok how is that displayed in reality
00:28:10.580microcosm macrocosm is it the future past present all three yes it's fun anyway yeah i was gonna
00:28:21.540say the same thing yes um no the beauty of and i think the power of odin in his correlation to um
00:28:33.940folding and weaving this this seed that would surpass into this through the dark ages and
00:28:42.500through the times where uh the the expression of the folk to their gods was going to be greatly
00:28:48.100tested um the beauty of it is that the application of of meta or mythic language it applies in all
00:28:58.260levels of timing um you know so some people can speculate in different schools of of uh trying to
00:29:05.380understand germanic mythology they have placed of course uh euhemerism and the idea that they're
00:29:10.580they're humans or that there's a vegetative cycle to them and there's some sort of a premise around
00:29:16.820nature uh or sometimes they go based on arian tribal structure and government that's like a
00:29:24.180dumazil in his structuralism um but overall when you read them yes it applies that the timelessness
00:29:31.700of it i've heard a perfect example would be and again i'll address ragnarok but uh the binding
00:29:38.580of fenris or fenner wolf in in his binding some people have argued perhaps this is some sort of
00:29:45.940of mythological connection to the uh germanic people making certain agreeances with rome and
00:29:54.200obviously the wolf in connection to the founding of rome uh that's the beauty of of the the the
00:30:02.020language and the stories of the gods is that they are timeless and they interlap with everything
00:30:08.080in the moment and in the past and thus into the future um so we yes we can project the
00:30:16.880understanding of ragnarok um and seeing balder both as uh presiding as the heart of the of the
00:30:24.280folk soul uh the heart of the gods seeing the death and the uh the value of of the the outsider
00:30:32.260guiding the hand of the blind brother against the heart of the folk and the gods and him
00:30:38.380descending and then him rising again as being all of those. And so I think it's a disservice for us
00:30:45.480to strictly think of things in a logical or linear pathway, but to see them as more of a
00:30:52.520coiled spring that's compressed all into one moment.
00:30:55.400But so, and this has taken a long time to make sense to me as well. So if it's a strange concept, I understand that.
00:31:07.980The mythic takes place in mythic time, and mythic time is very different than historical time, than linear time.
00:31:16.560It doesn't make it any less truthful, but so many things are simultaneous in a mythic sense.
00:31:25.400the story and the value of those cycles play out in millions of microcosms and millions of
00:31:35.320macrocosms you find those cycles in your own life you find them in the life of your community
00:31:45.000you find them in the the life of races and the life of nations um perhaps you find them in the
00:31:51.480life of galaxies. As it is, one of the things that I think is most beautiful when I think about this
00:31:58.000period in the Austro-Folk Assembly, I think about this in terms of when the waters recede and the
00:32:05.960gods come back after Ragnarok, and they set the table upright, and they replace the pieces,
00:32:11.880and they reset up what was once holy. We're reforging that bridge. We're reforging that
00:32:20.680golden age and we're a part of it right here and right now sigurheim that i just talked about is
00:32:26.920such a huge plank in that we are currently on you know it the vol restructuring that holy center
00:32:37.320that place for our folk and it's really special to be a part of that in the meantime i'd like to
00:32:43.880cover a little bit more about the gil fagening as a as a source um
00:32:53.240as nick mentioned earlier it is the uh the source that we get our ordering of our temples
00:33:01.560uh at least to start out and kind of a definitive measure of which which of our gods are
00:33:06.680the gods beneficial for mankind to worship, and it's a really well-presented and concise way of
00:33:16.560understanding our cosmology in an informative way and not just in an artistic way.
00:33:26.380Svon, do you have any more you want to add on the gilfagening, its importance,
00:33:31.100its place in our corpus of lore or why it's particularly significant for us to give credence
00:33:39.000to? I think it's worth noting first and foremost that what is spoken of and then what is brought
00:33:46.680into verse is very important and should be noted by the reader that we're gaining extra access
00:33:54.840when we talk about uh knowledge that's cross all the stories when we're looking at them from whether
00:34:01.720it's you know the the uh gilfagining whether it's uh through this mall whether it's uh grimness mall
00:34:09.080whether it's the alvis mall in which thor or thor even talked to alvis about correlations and
00:34:14.600kennings and things these across the board can be used to compare and to kind of glean
00:34:21.880glean deeper wisdom of the way our ancestors saw the divine, saw the divinities in a poetic format
00:34:32.120and thus glean some of the ideas of their power. Another major thing, too, is bringing it back to
00:34:39.380the 12 temples of the gods. So it's worth noting, of course, in the Gilfagining that Freyja is
00:34:46.960mentioned in the list um and also hod hoder or uh hod uh balder's brother and of course lastly
00:34:58.980the kinslayer lopter is mentioned um you know and so it's worth noting first and foremost when we
00:35:07.100come into that njorder yeah his or correction let me back it up odin it's his sons are mentioned
00:35:15.780first, and that's, of course, Thor and Baldr. And then when we talk about Njordr, Frey is mentioned
00:35:22.500and Freyja is mentioned. However, we've decided to go first with the Aus and to take the formulation
00:35:28.840of the Aus first. And so when you look at the list, you see this ordering and like, oh, well,
00:35:34.860it's kind of changed. But it's not necessarily changed. It's that when we, the concept of the
00:35:42.200And how they will be placed in devotionals and in the premise of hoffs or buildings or harrows or groves or whatever it may formulate into.
00:35:58.700Yes, Freya is mentioned, but she will be that that will be negotiated when we tackle the Ausenir.
00:36:07.180so i've always been of the mind to state that we have the 12 house that are mentioned
00:36:14.700in the gilfagining and in which uh the the the three say there are 12 house or gods and 12
00:36:23.820our senior but in the list they of course mention freya because of her correlation to nyorder
00:36:29.500the other point is is it's well worth noting and stating that hod is not worshipped by men and it
00:36:35.900is stated as such. And again, in our faith, looking at Balder and Hoth as both diametric
00:36:43.920polarities, they source from the same. They are, but one is bright and one is dark. One is awareness
00:36:53.600and one is ignorance. One is governance and the other is even possibly the point of destruction
00:37:01.980And the idea of whether it's internals or external destruction. So Hoth is seen as a polaric force to Baldr. And so Baldr is, of course, order and light. So the temple to Baldr was focused upon.
00:37:19.800and uh because hod is mentioned is not being uh prayed to by men but merely understood as his
00:37:27.360the point of his orlaw and lastly of course lopter and in our total rejection of the kinslayer
00:37:35.640uh the total rejection of the outsider the one who who kills his his blood brother's son um that
00:37:43.640would be obvious and i think that that that we don't really need to go into that but it is worth
00:37:48.620noting that the austral folk assembly has that stance against that kind of desire or need to
00:37:55.980um aggrandize aberrations to that seem to be pervading in modern times they aggrandize the
00:38:04.220aberrant when our ancestors saw the aberrance of loctur they knew that uh yes these things are
00:38:13.900Oftentimes, that which is vile remains because it seems to give credence to its existence and even aids in the folk.
00:38:25.040And there's a lot of lessons to be learned in that.
00:38:26.760And I think that's why the gods have the story for us to clearly see.
00:38:31.760But eventually, that aberration turns into malevolence and malignant form.
00:38:37.320So obviously, we take a strong stance against that.
00:38:41.000That is chaos and the warning of allowing chaos to come in, both in Fenris Wolf and also into by Lopter Laufison.