Asatru Folk Assembly - Völuspá, a stanza-by-stanza breakdown

00:00:00.000 i wanted to have swan on to go through piece by piece the text of the edit poem the the

00:00:29.200 spell. It is, I think it is probably one of, if not the most, I guess, widely known, most popular

00:00:43.400 maybe stories in the Etta. I think it fills in a lot of foundational material for our faith

00:00:51.700 that's really important. And it's something that we could have no better person on than Svan to

00:00:59.680 help shine a light on and talk to about with you guys swan can you give people

00:01:07.760 some background on like the historical text that is the vlas bow where we find it any of

00:01:16.160 the history on it um any notes on the original language or just kind of anything folks that

00:01:22.480 may be completely unfamiliar might need to know before we go into the the actual text

00:01:29.040 Yeah. One thing to consider is, let's just start with the name, Valu. Valu is connected. It's the grammar derivative connecting it to speech or to the truth of speech.

00:01:46.880 And so the proper name for a prophetess is actually a vala, and that's how she's referred to as a vala, but the name, the title, voluspau, is the grammatical change of vala is to valu, and spau means speech or truth or prophecy is kind of what it's translated to.

00:02:13.340 But it's yeah, it's the it's very similar to in English when we talk about sooth saying and the meaning of Anglo-Saxon, the word sooth and its relation to actually telling the truth, even though now we we kind of correlate it to to like con artistry.

00:02:39.340 That's not where it comes from. And so this is the Vala's prophecy is one of the best ways to kind of look at this and to understand it. And what's going on is the way it's written, it's first worth noting that, and there isn't much of a kind of contexting.

00:03:03.540 it's more or less that the the starting of the poem is about the thular who's sitting down

00:03:11.460 who is uh speaking to the folks gathered in the hall and then it shifts over and the context then

00:03:19.580 becomes a raising of the valla from the underworld so lord odin goes into the place farthest away

00:03:31.060 from time and pulls out this being, which is not quite a human. Uh, oftentimes she's referred to

00:03:39.940 as a witch or a human. Um, but there's some hints in there that she might not actually be. She may

00:03:46.720 be of some sort of elder blood or Yotnar blood. Um, because she doesn't make mention of that,

00:03:52.520 But she is being risen with a purpose, and that purpose is to figure out Helgard is being bedecked with gold, and there is a feast being prepared.

00:04:09.900 So Odin is ultimately trying to figure out who is this being prepared for.

00:04:15.140 And the Valla, she is establishing herself initially by stating that she knows many things, great things, ancient things.

00:04:29.620 And then she switches over to explaining why the halls are being bedecked and ultimately what is to come for the gods in the writ of her doom.

00:04:46.740 It's never really stated how she comes to know this, but that she is somehow a part of that understanding.

00:04:55.640 um it's it's interesting because the context of it is is i think most important to understand

00:05:02.980 this conversation is between lord odin and and the valla and it's for a present moment but she

00:05:11.700 then presents the poem in a past present and what will come for the gods ultimately there is some

00:05:20.240 uh other interesting things and one of the things that you got to bear in mind is that

00:05:25.200 um there is a litany of dwarves and uh the dvergar and that is kind of a

00:05:33.440 a niche part uh oftentimes it's removed from translations and um or it's glossed over or

00:05:42.580 it's simply stated in parentheses this is where the litany of the dwarves comes from

00:05:46.320 there's some interesting things that are said but after that um there's no real information per se

00:05:55.040 uh interesting in some of the name meanings but i think that the ultimate purpose of the dwarven

00:06:03.640 litany uh perhaps is linking to stories that we might have lost in particular the uh the four

00:06:11.280 hearts that are in heaven that are nibbling from the tree um that there's connections to the dwarves

00:06:20.200 there, but we don't have any stories of how those connections are made. Um, but I think it's more

00:06:26.560 important that it was a practice ability for the poet to build his alliteration, um, rhyming. So

00:06:36.880 that's something worth noting. Uh, I mean, we can, we're going to look into it a little bit,

00:06:41.080 but not a ton, uh, unless people want to. And, um, uh, but I wanted to let people know that

00:06:49.120 there might be a large chunk of this that we might kind of hurdle over, at least in this first

00:06:55.420 episode. So, yes, Lord Odin is calling forth the Vala and trying to figure out what is going to

00:07:05.260 happen now that Balder, the bold one, the greatest of the gods, has been slain by his brother,

00:07:13.900 ultimately by the hand of his blood brother, which makes, of course, Loki a kinslayer.

00:07:22.120 And now he has come down and he's raising her up to figure out what's going on.

00:07:29.720 And she's establishing her prowess with history right out the gate.

00:07:37.820 All right.

00:07:38.660 to get us started on a auspicious note, Brandy just donated $20. Hail the AFA, hail victory.

00:07:46.900 Thank you, Brandy. We appreciate it. Any donations we get here tonight are going to go to a good

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00:08:00.740 And Svon, with that, let's start with the first stanza.

00:08:08.860 And tonight, the plan is to go to which stanza?

00:08:15.760 25.

00:08:17.200 All right.

00:08:18.740 So for those of you following along, go ahead and get yourself ready.

00:08:25.360 And we will start with stanza one.

00:08:27.400 yeah so this part is

00:08:32.140 more importantly to be seen as an intro by the poet by the scold uh by the the speaker in the

00:08:41.760 hall and um right away it's kind of a calming of the hall to let everyone know but there's

00:08:48.780 some interesting things in here so um in the hearing i ask uh comes from the pause or to take

00:08:58.980 note uh silence is is some more of the proper translation is you know i bid ye silence

00:09:08.520 um all all these holy beings now in in bellows translation um he uniquely says from the holy

00:09:18.740 races. Um, and, and again, that just brings up interesting questions. And a lot of that about

00:09:25.260 translations is where we get, um, some interesting points. Um, and I wanted to kind of, um, play that

00:09:34.340 off of, um, and no reason for people to like scramble for this or, or what have you, but, um,

00:09:41.320 hollander the hollander translations 1928 are very interesting too uh but it's just i wanted to

00:09:50.540 make note of how translations can change things some of them can be extremely far off and then

00:09:57.460 sometimes they can hit the mark just right so um in hollander's translations it's it's hear me all

00:10:05.000 ye hallowed beings um whereas in uh bellows it's it's silence i ask all from the from the holy

00:10:14.040 races um so i thought that was really interesting uh the use of of the word kinder for races um

00:10:24.200 kinder literally is kind of like a it's not like or it's kinder it's not kinder like in german it

00:10:32.120 It means beings or people of the hall.

00:10:35.320 So silence I bid all the holy beings and the sons of Heimdall. 0.58

00:10:41.180 And I think this is really worth noting that the creation of the proto, I guess what would be like the breath of Odin in the proto-Aryan or what would be the proto-folk.

00:11:02.120 But it ultimately comes down to the most recent in the sense that in Rigstula, Heimdall comes down by generations or epochs.

00:11:15.560 And those generations breed forth what they often refer to as the slave or slave structure.

00:11:23.680 I've seen a bunch of very strange things.

00:11:26.560 The economic status of Viking Age.

00:11:29.900 Um, but it's worth noting that the, um, the people that he visits are clearly associated with time. So this generational sense, um, is important, but in this case, it may be seen as the strata of the Jarls to the Thralls is kind of how this is being used.

00:11:56.120 From Heimdall's children, both high and low, Thou will, Thou Father, that I will relate.

00:12:05.580 So by your grace or by your power, I will relate these old tales of men long ago.

00:12:12.860 And that first stanza is the announcement of the speaker and doesn't necessarily denote the shift.

00:12:27.860 a shift. Now, some people have argued that the scald continues on or that this is the

00:12:34.580 valla, but it seems far more flat than everything else that comes to follow. So I've always

00:12:46.080 taken this to be the introduction from the scald telling everyone. So, you know, silence

00:12:52.560 and I bid, hearing I ask from the holy races, from Heimdall's sons, both high and low, thou wilt,

00:13:00.040 thou father, that I relate the old tales I remember of men long ago. I remember yet the giants of

00:13:09.220 yore. This is a stanza two, who gave me bread in the days gone by. Nine worlds I knew, the nine in

00:13:18.520 the tree with mighty roots beneath the mold. So mold is an interesting word because again,

00:13:27.540 mold is ground or soil. And I would, you know, the references of using it in relation to soil.

00:13:37.900 But this is where it gets kind of interesting. So most people are speculating on the idea that

00:13:43.160 this is now the Vala speaking. Some people say it is not, or that the Vala was always speaking.

00:13:51.140 But the nine worlds, the nine places, domains, the homes of things are kind of what's really being

00:14:03.680 portrayed here. And that's, you know, I think very important when we talk about cosmology and

00:14:11.620 And we talk about the way that Ausatru formulates the worlds as like a circulatory system with the roots being the drawback and all of time disseminating from heaven and kind of flowing from the top down.

00:14:29.840 This is already kind of being used.

00:14:34.280 So the concept of the nine worlds is not something of like new Alistair or perhaps people trying to organize things.

00:14:43.120 No, this is kind of known already.

00:14:45.980 And that the tree, the tree being rooted beneath the ground.

00:14:52.120 but it's it's interesting they don't quite state but as we go you'll see um the way that clearly

00:14:59.920 our ancestors saw the tree and where the tree is in relation to things and I think nowadays

00:15:06.200 some people are kind of twisting those around um a note before we continue um Mike donated 25

00:15:16.680 dollars we appreciate that mike thank you um yeah one of the one of the cool things about this

00:15:25.720 this poem that's very special is it's really a go-to in a lot of ways for

00:15:33.960 the

00:15:38.680 it's the quickest go-to for the the laying out of our cosmology of

00:15:43.320 of getting you very quickly into the mythic realm of understanding those cosmological

00:15:55.420 components that make up Ausitru and that give context to everything else.

00:16:00.800 So I think this one has gone back to very often because it's very important that way.

00:16:07.840 It paints this picture in a way that was very easily accessible to our ancestors.

00:16:14.020 And I think is, of what we have, the easiest for us to access and conceptualize.

00:16:25.480 And it's great because the tangible works of the origination of Ausatru kind of was

00:16:36.300 presented in organizing things kind of in a strata of the worlds. And sometimes I'm sure a lot of

00:16:44.160 people that have been asked for a long time are familiar with the idea of cosmology being kind of

00:16:50.460 placed in a set kind of way. And these are really brought about from the poems, the stories,

00:16:59.900 the placement of things and the words in which things are said are important because they also

00:17:07.100 denote ancient concepts that are present in all Arian faiths. The upper world, that middle world,

00:17:14.280 the lower world, some of the worlds are kind of intermediary. And then we have like the world of

00:17:20.960 the West and the world of the East. And we're going to get into here just some of the ideas of

00:17:26.620 like how directions are correlated with understanding

00:17:32.940 or meaning, especially in relation to the audience.

00:17:37.380 And it goes, for many of us, it goes without saying,

00:17:42.560 but I think it's important just as we're starting out

00:17:46.680 for everyone to understand the language of poetry

00:17:51.680 The language of poetry and the language of myth is to liken things to things that we're already familiar with and to express things in a way that we can visualize truth, but not intended in a literal way.

00:18:12.560 in the same sense that you know you can't go to the edge of each of these nine worlds

00:18:17.680 and grab the bark of a tree that you somehow you know what kind of tree is it can you take 0.90

00:18:24.180 a sapling from it and as silly as as silly as that sounds up front I have met people 0.82

00:18:30.500 who one of specifically Mandy and I had dinner with a person one time his 0.80

00:18:37.600 his like re-understanding of things is you know he found some really ancient

00:18:47.020 mesas in the desert that kind of look like the trunk of a tree but like super duper giant size

00:18:54.800 I think some of us have seen those things like ah maybe that's the you know maybe something like

00:19:02.520 that is what the you know what yggdrasil was they're looking and it's easy to see that level

00:19:12.280 of literalism as being really silly from a distance and in a way it is but if your context

00:19:20.360 is the abrahamic faiths that are built upon literal translation of of their sacred texts

00:19:29.380 if that's the demand then out of piety to our gods you you flail in your scramble to try to

00:19:38.560 make impossible things possible so the lore can literally be accurate and i appreciate the effort

00:19:46.860 put in on that but that's it's unnecessary and it was never the intention and that's a

00:19:52.060 The need for it to be an exact, literal truth from the lips of Odin that this is how things are, that's a foreign concept, and that's not how our lore is.

00:20:05.700 And honestly, I think that's a beautiful element of our work because it expresses things in a fundamentally relevant way that is geared intrinsically and genetically to our people and how our people see and understand the world around them with their points of, you know, their touchstones of commonality and things that make sense to them.

00:20:33.800 And of how they conceive things and how they shape things. And it paints cosmic and mythic truths in a style familiar to us and to our soul that speaks, you know, beyond just mental, you know, analytical comprehension, but it speaks on an artistic level that appeals to, you know, to our folk soul.

00:20:59.940 yeah i think um i've seen one other thing that was kind of caught my eye was um and this of

00:21:10.400 course is on uh twitter or x but there was some some guys uh kind of going for the uh not that

00:21:16.960 myths are literal but that lit that the that there is literalism of the myths and so what

00:21:27.480 they ended up saying was like that our disconnection to mythos comes from our inability to conceptualize

00:21:36.520 um i guess the the magical sight of things and and i kind of see where they're going with this

00:21:44.940 but they were like no the tree is there and it's it it loses a lot of the point i think like

00:21:53.320 a lot of things that we when we dissect Aryan faith from all different branches are lost like

00:22:01.140 perfect example is um the the point and placement of Mount Olympus in the Hellenics

00:22:08.200 and and how the mountain itself is utilized as kind of a an axis mundi whereas for the

00:22:17.520 germanic and the norse uh or let's just say germanic may have been the erminsul as a kind

00:22:23.940 of posting or central point of the council of the gods around the pole um or the central axis of the

00:22:31.700 world uh perhaps even holding up the gods or the heavenly realms and then of course the nordic was

00:22:37.900 the tree so there's a lot of shifting around and people if they take things literally lose a lot

00:22:45.180 of insight towards what it means to even have an axis money. What does it mean that Aryan faiths

00:22:52.880 have a central point? And the interesting thing, again, is, is it in the middle world? Is it in

00:22:59.800 the upper world? It's certainly not in the lower world. That's, that's pretty clear all across the

00:23:05.380 board. Um, but it's just, it makes an interesting point and you lose that if you just simply say,

00:23:12.400 uh you know the the myths are uh not literal but that they are that we are literally to believe

00:23:22.600 them to be literal it was kind of an interesting thing it was it was kind of like no this is there

00:23:27.820 are no allegoric meanings the myths are true but beyond the confines of material thought

00:23:37.900 so reading the chat wolf throne no worries we are only on stanza two so we have just finished

00:23:45.440 a lot of it was just me doing some shop talk about fundraisers and stuff at the top of the

00:23:54.200 year so no worries um oh also i just want to acknowledge a 21 donation from charlie thank

00:24:02.320 you charlie we appreciate you guys i appreciate everybody tonight and everybody who wants to

00:24:07.000 chip in and help out. You guys are great. It's y'all's generosity that allows these things to

00:24:12.240 get done. Something I think, and we'll kind of stop and interject and we'll find our flow as

00:24:21.500 this goes on and we continue, but something else that I think is important to,

00:24:27.180 I don't know, inject early on when we're talking about

00:24:30.880 the need or lack thereof to force literality or to force um

00:24:40.840 yeah to force

00:24:44.380 things that aren't intended because of someone else's model one of the things that

00:24:51.820 many of us learn and that's most appealing to us about also true is it's not

00:24:56.860 you don't have to do the mental gymnastics you're not trying to force a square peg into a round hole

00:25:07.300 also true is literally you sliding a square peg nicely into the square hole that it is built for

00:25:18.640 it fits and it all works and you don't have to twist your head in some there is a fundamental

00:25:27.340 struggle that I think is responsible for a lot of the angst a lot of the ennui perhaps of our folk

00:25:40.340 when we try out of piety, out of wanting to do the right thing,

00:25:46.800 to force our folk soul to conform to a foreign model.

00:25:58.000 And it's led to all kinds of metastasism in behavior, in our souls, 0.77

00:26:05.800 in really strange and often very ugly ways, but out of really noble intent of trying to do the

00:26:17.020 right thing. One of the most freeing and most liberating things about Ausitru

00:26:22.120 is you don't have to do that. You're coming home to your gods. You're coming home to something

00:26:28.000 that fits um it's not that hard and you will find that people try to over complicate it and make it

00:26:37.280 hard something that is fundamentally true about our mythos our gods and our faith

00:26:44.880 it is very very easy to comprehend for our folk but it's layered there's countless layers of

00:26:54.160 depth behind it to where you can delve deeper and evolve and expand spiritually but the fundamental

00:27:01.280 most basic understanding of it is clear as day and it's clear to people that you know don't have

00:27:07.520 to be well educated don't have to be well advanced in years just have to be open-hearted open-minded

00:27:16.800 and have a sincere desire to come home to our faith and uh it lays it out it it lays

00:27:24.160 itself before you in a very accessible way but also very beautiful way

00:27:32.240 yeah i wanted to comment on um one of the things is that the these these poems are constructed

00:27:41.040 by Icelandic poets who were attempting to make sure that the poetry structure was not going to

00:27:52.240 die as there was more influx of foreign ideals, foreign motivations in Iceland. And I think at

00:28:02.780 the same time, it was also a great leaning towards the desire to show the intricacies of poetry and

00:28:09.940 how they compared to other european branches um but also they were formulating them in poetic

00:28:19.080 styles so these are stories first that become poems and the poems make them cryptic one of

00:28:29.900 the things that's you know the stories and how they formulated uh i imagine too is before they

00:28:37.460 were strictly poetic is that at some point the poetic formulation started to come about long

00:28:44.160 before writing and um they were memorized in this way through a literative sense but they were still

00:28:50.920 uh adaptable and i think that after this this was an attempt to make things solid and um

00:29:00.120 but there was other reasons so this isn't a bible this isn't a like you said there

00:29:05.900 Lord O'then coming down and transcribing or speaking the word, this singular truth.

00:29:12.480 It's not that way.

00:29:13.880 These are kind of known as, when I'm reading this, it's that this is a kind of a culmination of many, many years of poetry.

00:29:24.560 And before that, many, many years of storytelling.

00:29:28.300 And that makes it interesting.

00:29:29.280 So following over in the chat on the side, and again, I know we're spending a long time on the first two here, but we're laying some really important foundations, I think.

00:29:38.020 Rome age 14 makes the point that the myths are symbolism, but the gods are real.

00:29:44.380 Those two concepts aren't some kind of juxtaposition.

00:29:49.120 They're not in opposition.

00:29:50.340 and we are again through foreign influence and through over emphasis on scholasticism i think

00:30:00.840 that we we have turned the word myth into almost meaning untruth like something oh that's just a

00:30:13.300 myth as in it's not true that's not the case at all i think the myths in a lot of ways are more

00:30:19.360 true than facts. Because scientific facts change over time. And like truth doesn't, but scientific

00:30:30.320 facts are one way of expressing truth. And the depth and breadth of those facts do change and

00:30:36.660 evolve over time as our understanding increases. Mythic truth, the myths are true. They were true

00:30:44.360 when they were first realized by our ancestors through inspiration from our gods. They were

00:30:52.480 realized when they were first put into primal utterance and they're first put to paper. They're

00:30:58.300 equally true today. They will be equally true when we can, you know, transmit them telepathically to

00:31:05.420 one another. The myths themselves are true. And this is a beautiful way of painting those myths

00:31:12.820 for our folk, but there's not a contradiction between the word myth and truth. Myths are the

00:31:19.560 greatest truth. The gods are absolutely real. Don't get anything I'm saying wrong. Just because

00:31:24.400 I said you couldn't go out and like physically touch the bark of the world tree. No, Yggdrasil

00:31:33.260 absolutely exists. It's just not like a birch tree out in your front yard. That is a way of

00:31:40.140 helping you understand the truth of Yggdrasil.

00:31:43.540 The nine worlds exist,

00:31:45.600 the way they are drawn in the poetry

00:31:47.520 is a way to help you conceptualize

00:31:49.560 what their existence looks like, how to conceive that.

00:31:56.120 But no, everything in our myths is absolutely true.

00:32:01.540 The picture that is drawn to explain the truth

00:32:05.180 is not a literal representation of the reality.

00:32:08.000 It is a tool to help you conceive of the deeper truths that our myths are.

00:32:13.440 And if that sounds odd, just please bear with us.

00:32:16.680 It will make more sense as we go on, hopefully.

00:32:25.040 So I want to go more into that, but I'll go more into it later, maybe in a couple stanzas.

00:32:31.880 But there was something you said in there, too, that I think is really interesting.

00:32:34.720 But we can bring that up in just a second.

00:32:39.240 So while we got it, Chris Lukat, $10.

00:32:42.720 Thank you so much, Chris.

00:32:43.920 We appreciate you.

00:32:45.480 Swan, without further ado, can you read stanza three for us?

00:32:51.140 Yeah, of the old age when Ymir, Ymir lived.

00:32:57.820 Sea nor cool waves nor sand there were. 0.82

00:33:02.140 Earth had not been nor heaven above.

00:33:04.720 But a yawning gap and grass nowhere.

00:33:12.080 Yeah, this is the starting of an understanding.

00:33:18.420 We know that in order for a gap to be, there has to be two sides.

00:33:24.140 So the idea is that Mosbelheim and Nibelheim are those two edging gaps between, but they're the two sides. The gap in between is the nothingness, the expanding expanse.

00:33:42.460 And in this case, what is most referenced to is how things are coming to being and or spreading apart. And it's really just emphasizing again, in the ages old, where Ymir dwelled in the gap, there was nothing.

00:34:04.500 There was just the proto, it was Ymir, it was Yggdrasil. So oftentimes in the stories when I tell my stories, I talk about Yggdrasil and Ymir in the mist of the middle or the gap of the middle.

00:34:23.920 As the mists from Nivelheim or the water and the torrents of ice and primordial is heated by the heat of cosmic creation or radiation, if we want to go in that interesting perspective, is that that's what creates the matter in the middle.

00:34:46.260 And that matter in the middle formulates into Ymir and Yggdrasil and ultimately Adumla.

00:34:56.280 And there we have our first tripartite, which is something that I continually bang on there.

00:35:04.040 But yeah, so of the old age, when Ymir lived, sea nor cool waves, nor sand there was, earth had not been, nor heaven above, but a yawning gap and grass nowhere. 0.55

00:35:16.260 Um, and then the Vala kind of cuts immediately to, um, the raising of the land, the, the lifting of 0.69

00:35:28.000 the, of the, um, of the soil of the earth or the flesh of Ymir. She doesn't go into, uh, the slaying 0.74

00:35:37.800 or of of um the specifics she just kind of sets it immediately boars or burr suns um then burr's

00:35:48.560 suns lifted um the level land in midgard the the mighty uh they there they made the sun from the

00:35:57.760 south it warmed the stones of the earth green was the ground with growing leaks and this again is

00:36:05.960 establishment of all of the the slaying of emir and all of that which comes to be the torrents

00:36:17.120 of the blood the the formula formulating uh the stones from from teeth these are covered like in

00:36:23.720 the gilfagining but in this poem it's already known that the the audience would be familiar

00:36:31.780 with these, with these concepts. So it's being quite matter of factly placed out there.

00:36:41.700 I wanted to say a word on Ginnungagab for a second.

00:36:50.780 There's some, I don't know, scholarly debate on a little bit of the etymology,

00:36:56.380 But the prefix of gin in ginungagap is often used as a prefix that relates things to the gods or holiness or magical might.

00:37:15.920 And so, yes, it's a yawning void, but it has the implication that it's containing magical essence, containing the magical potentiality for things.

00:37:34.040 And this concept we'll harken back to at different times, but the idea of the primal wellspring of existence and of creation being a source of creative magic, a source of creative holiness that goes into the animation of our universe with might of magic and with art.

00:38:04.040 holiness uh it's also worth noting just going back to that part um the the yawning or the the

00:38:13.740 great potential of it is separated in the translation the gap that is of like of a yawning

00:38:21.520 potential or or or a a sense of something to come or or that which is moving apart and that things

00:38:30.220 are welling up within it um but there's also another part too that and this was from a

00:38:34.880 conversation a long time ago uh the in the nor in heaven above the word heaven most people might

00:38:41.800 think the translation shows um some sense that heaven is like a christian word it is not the

00:38:49.700 Nordic word is him or him in, but in old or in old English, it's, it's he oven. And so they have

00:39:00.780 the same root. The word heaven is a Germanic word, just like the word God, just like the word hell,

00:39:07.160 all of these things. So I remember someone saying, you know, I kind of bristle every time you say

00:39:11.600 heaven, why are you saying heaven? And I was like, because it's, it's our word. I'm, uh, you know,

00:39:16.600 i'm not trying to say like oh we're taking it back it's just that like so many other things uh when

00:39:22.480 we get into the fact that the bible is you know was written and utilized with middle english and

00:39:28.860 and at that time we still have to understand that the poems as they're being translated

00:39:35.400 are they you they're using older english words sometimes they're doing that uh other times

00:39:43.500 they're not, but, uh, you know, they're, they're utilizing that in relation. So you find the

00:39:48.600 commonality in there. Um, just considering about when those times were, how they were speaking or

00:39:54.880 what they were attempting to translate to, because there's ideals, these, uh, stories of

00:40:00.060 translations are coming around the late 1800s, early 1900s being formulized into English and

00:40:05.500 to german and again middle english is already an older form and but you can find better translations

00:40:14.300 with certain things like thou and and and thus even though they're not in common usage anymore

00:40:19.820 so i just wanted to bring that up him and him and yeah heaven the upward heaven and again very

00:40:26.300 important in understanding the the ground in which we stand upon and the heaven above us and

00:40:33.660 why this it's so important that these directions are correlated in our stories and in the way

00:40:40.460 in the relation between the way our ancestors saw the gods in relation to themselves and how we see

00:40:46.220 the gods even in this modern day is seeing when we look up when we see the gods we we call to them

00:40:53.660 and ask them to bear witness to our deeds as they gather to counsel in the above so and that

00:41:01.660 So that's subtle, but I think the orientation inspires us in a lot of ways.

00:41:10.900 There's little subtle things that are themes throughout,

00:41:15.800 but the idea of us looking upwards, gazing up at the heavens towards our gods,

00:41:21.280 towards our future, towards our destiny.

00:41:23.240 up has a deeply seated understanding in our soul good things like you level up when you

00:41:37.460 when you get something better you don't level down the idea of upwardness

00:41:43.040 being associated with betterment with good with potential with becoming more that orientation is

00:41:54.340 really important and it was a source of inspiration to our ancestors to our folk in

00:42:00.700 general looking up at at what's good and what's what's best and the you know the

00:42:06.780 understanding of like south and north and what those correlate to our ancestors were seeing

00:42:14.420 things in a plainer sense of where they were standing and what the north represented and

00:42:20.440 the south represented what the east and the west represented to them religiously symbolically

00:42:28.060 mythically or meta-narratively whatever we you know we want to say but we you know the idea was

00:42:33.800 that from where they were standing there was a central point and that central point there was

00:42:39.820 the gods and the gods were upon either uh you know mountainous peaks or a place up above or a place

00:42:47.740 slightly above the clouds because you know when we talk about the the skeins of light of leo

00:42:53.540 selfheim uh you know they're kind of referenced as being the um the the the plane in between the

00:43:01.400 upper end and where we are and but the the gods are often referred to as being in this mountainous

00:43:08.680 place and it's referred to like numerous times in the idea that it's not just ausgard it's not just

00:43:16.920 like a castle in the sky there is a land around it a place these mountains where heimdall resides

00:43:23.880 where the tree is where the well is where loki you know uh pulls the um uh stallion

00:43:33.720 off distracting when he's when he's making the walls of ausgard you know there's a place outside

00:43:40.280 so the heavenly world was seen as kind of like a an upper world perhaps on a mountainous sense

00:43:46.520 that was surrounded by the tops of the mountains that in the center there was this great land or

00:43:52.840 this great valleys or numerous valleys and in the center of that was the tree and the the tree's

00:44:00.520 roots go down into that that that land of of heavenly being and then those roots go to where

00:44:07.320 no one knows you know it's not quite known by everyone where those roots go and and and that's

00:44:13.400 because they descend down into the realms um unseen and they're to note they're not in

00:44:20.040 in the earth they're not in the yard they're not in midgarth but they are in the middle realm

00:44:27.320 they're just in jotunheim in the place of the primordial and where things are kind of being

00:44:33.060 pulled pulled from um so i think that it's worth noting that like our ancestors saw that as like

00:44:40.020 when they thought about the gods they thought about the gods in this upper place this perhaps

00:44:44.540 on the peaks of mountains what mountains it's not really specified it's not like mount olympus or

00:44:50.860 or something like that it's it it's more or less seen as an undisclosed place in which the you know

00:44:58.300 again the rainbow bridge which is um a shimmering path is not seen as every rainbow but that the

00:45:06.540 shimmering path is likened to a rainbow that extends up into that upper world and now we

00:45:13.180 you know we see that as these points are again symbolic or allegoric to understanding we've

00:45:19.740 always seen the gods as in the place above yggdrasil is in the place above the the norns

00:45:27.420 are in the place above witnessing through the well so that's something we're going to be

00:45:34.860 seeing and and re-emphasizing over and over and over again or i will at least

00:45:40.460 um also i suppose before we hit uh stanza five here um we have a

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00:46:04.140 fayhoo for more we appreciate you uh ryan thank you very much for your donation also while i was

00:46:11.100 reading that nick sent me that uh alsi miller donated 15 dollars thank you for that you guys

00:46:17.500 are being extremely generous tonight thank you so much we really appreciate it yeah remember too

00:46:23.660 the bounty of the bounty you receive and the bounty you give like that's it's equal if you

00:46:30.380 You know, he mentioned FEHU.

00:46:32.060 That's the point of FEHU is circulating that wealth.

00:46:35.640 And when you do that within your faith community,

00:46:39.140 I've talked about this before.

00:46:41.360 I'll talk about it again.

00:46:43.180 We talk about cycles,

00:46:45.220 but even though things move cyclically,

00:46:47.800 things spiral upwards

00:46:49.540 when you do right action at the right time.

00:46:52.880 So being generous, sharing with your folk,

00:46:54.780 contributing to stuff like this,

00:46:57.400 it spirals and that money,

00:46:59.220 the value becomes worth more than than the sum of the dollar bills on it and we've seen that

00:47:05.560 it sounds fanciful but we've we've seen that time and time again

00:47:08.760 well and it's you know like hoff toller is a percentage so if you're falling on hard times

00:47:20.140 hey then you might not be able to give that much in relation to how much you're dealing with

00:47:28.280 hardships but when you do gain then it's equal with your gaining and your your loss a lot of

00:47:35.680 people think i think that the the donation idea is that when you're falling on hard times you

00:47:40.920 gotta give a lot no it's the one per a one percent of minimal everybody's focused on that one there's

00:47:50.820 people that do more and we appreciate oh yes absolutely or the 10 percent well something

00:47:55.820 else to mention here um on stanza four as i'm looking at it and what we are doing is focusing

00:48:04.100 on points that's fun and i want to jump on that we think are particularly meaningful at the time

00:48:09.720 if you guys have things to add that you have questions about over on the side please ask

00:48:15.780 questions if you'd like um and then i wanted to uh just kind of mention so that is to say this

00:48:27.300 as i mentioned there's layers we could go over this forever and there would still probably be

00:48:32.020 little pieces here and there and points of connectivity to point out one thing that just

00:48:35.940 kind of stands out before we hit number five though is the point about and green was the ground

00:48:42.980 with growing leeks. The idea of the leek.

00:48:50.340 Herbally to our ancestors, the leek was a special plant. There was a lot to it. It was associated

00:48:59.700 with healing. It was an auspicious plant, not to mention delicious and did things that way.

00:49:11.960 But it was associated a lot with healing.

00:49:15.040 And I think Svan may have a little bit more to add about herb lore when it comes to our ancestors and leek.

00:49:22.520 Well, and yeah, the Goths, they called healing arts or medicine, as we would use today, or medicinal or medical, was leekscroft.

00:49:33.140 And it's kind of argued as to whether or not they're referring to leeches, but a lot of people speculate that the leeks part is not about the transference of blood or fluids, but medicinal sense.

00:49:49.780 And that in correlation to healing salves, balms, and soups, the leek, and the leek is the cornerstone of most of the medicinal practices of the Germanic people.

00:50:02.940 But it's also worth noting, too, that the leek is a broad term for, like, garlic was oftentimes just referred to as the spear leek, which is why gar, which means spear, and lick is a leek.

00:50:21.600 It's the spear leek.

00:50:23.020 So just the sense of leeks in and of themselves, the sprouting green vitality.

00:50:29.220 A lot of people think, too, that Lagu is the rune. The symbol of it is a leek rising up and kind of wilting at the end as it sprouts from the ground. And there's heavy connections towards healing in relation to that rune.

00:50:48.760 So, yeah, one of the holy rivers in heaven is called the Leek River or the Sprouting River.

00:50:57.340 Some people translate it as to the Spear River, but it's more likely in reference to garlic or to the sacred plants of medicinal healing.

00:51:07.560 And I think that goes in concert.

00:51:11.680 It's not necessarily specifically garlic, as the word leek has a lot of tendencies towards health, healing, and vitality.

00:51:20.380 So it was natural that they would, you know, choose that as a reference.

00:51:29.960 So next we move into another interesting point that I wanted to bring out,

00:51:35.220 is that I think if you read Alvismal and if you read Volospow and the references that they're

00:51:44.260 talking about in relation to the sun and the moon, if you understand the way our ancestors saw things,

00:51:50.420 these things are slightly less confusing. One of the things that's worth noting is, again,

00:51:55.780 from where we stand, there's this central place where the mountains rise up or, excuse me, above

00:52:02.360 the clouds and there is this land where the gods live in all of their um realms and there is the

00:52:10.600 tree and there is the place where they counsel and the sun and the moon correlate to the upper

00:52:17.540 place just as much as the middle and you'll see that a lot more in alvis mall but um the idea of

00:52:24.560 of what the gods call the sun and the moon and what the uh the the dvergar or the the svartalfar

00:52:33.820 call the sun and the moon and i think it's worth noting that they saw this as like the upper world

00:52:39.860 that the sun and the moon was shared just as much as the lower world with all the cycles of things

00:52:45.680 um and so it it makes a lot more sense if you look at it that way than going like what is there a

00:52:52.840 separate sun and a separate moon or is it are they are they on the planet if you try to like

00:52:59.340 hard line it it's it gets a little confusing but that's because the way our ancestors saw it was

00:53:04.700 this and it's worth noting i i find it really interesting the usage of the word about placing

00:53:11.800 the sun in the right hand casting over heaven's rim this is specifically correlated to northern

00:53:17.600 climates um but so yeah stanza number five the sun the sister of the moon from the south her

00:53:24.660 right hand casts over heaven's rim no knowledge she had where her home should be the moon knew

00:53:32.060 not the might was his the stars knew not where their stations were so one of the interesting

00:53:41.880 things that you know when we talk about sun wise movement um the reference of moving around the

00:53:49.240 earth sun wise or that the sun is moving around the earth sun wise on the rim of heaven is something

00:53:55.960 that if you've lived up in the high high north you can absolutely correlate it and and to be honest

00:54:01.960 if you lived in the far far south in new zealand or in um you know south africa or perhaps the

00:54:08.040 outer tips of um you know south america the again the the movement is still the same but from the

00:54:15.080 correlation at the time they were talking about the idea that the the sun's rimming edge especially

00:54:22.600 during midsummer when the sun never sets just rotates around i think that's a really hard

00:54:30.680 concept for people who've never been up there to get that there's a time in the year in which the

00:54:37.000 sun never sets and and we are always kind of in a ring of that light going around uh as we you know

00:54:47.720 as the earth rotates and so for our ancestors the seeing of the sun is as being allocated to

00:54:55.400 to holding the edge or the rim of heaven is about that transference around the horizon

00:55:02.040 and what this stanza really is talking about is that again kind of glancing over some of the

00:55:10.060 details but the idea that the gods set into motion all of the the things which translates really to

00:55:20.360 correlating emir correlating the the the body the um the middle guard is being correlated to

00:55:30.140 all other things uh but again they saw saw it as the things were being correlated um perhaps even

00:55:38.060 separately the stars did not know and then they were to know their their stead the moon did not

00:55:44.540 know uh his stead and so then he was given that knowledge um it glances over some things the

00:55:52.300 origins of of suna and mauni as in relation to meta narrative um you know there's two kind of

00:56:01.020 placements one is that um they are godly and uh that i think is um the way in which we um

00:56:10.780 take them but there are references to them being mortal or at least understanding that

00:56:16.140 The sun and the moon are much like the earth, a thing that is inhabited by dominion or power. So Sunnah is not the sun. The sun is often referred to as a spark of Muspelheim, but that she is given dominion of its station or its movements or its functions.

00:56:40.640 And that gets really interesting. And this is kind of what I was going to hit on earlier, is that the stories, the truths of the stories are truly beautiful when you look at certain things that perhaps even our ancestors didn't know, but we know now.

00:56:54.240 And that's what makes me believe that the gods had a intent with the keeping of these stories and the knowledge, knowing that they were going to be kept in the state that they've been preserved.

00:57:10.360 and uh that kind of correlating with the knowledge that we gain from other sources um you know it's

00:57:18.040 when we look at the the mentioning of suna as having two horses and mani only having one and

00:57:25.000 the reference not only just to traversing across the sky but when you realize that midgard has two

00:57:32.180 horses as well day and night who are not mentioned in the poem uh we have this sense of rotation

00:57:38.600 There are two on the earth, there are two on the sun, but one on the moon. And out of those three things, only one of them doesn't rotate on its own axis. I thought that was, you know, just truly interesting in the idea that what if a lot of these truths are woven in with our understanding coming to them, even in different ways.

00:58:04.840 And I think that makes me wonder, even in the far, far off future, like you had said, when we're telepathically or across space and time, what truths or understandings can apply then as well?

00:58:19.380 And that's what metanarratives, myths, their truths are perennial and they are framed in usage of elder times, but also of today in a lot of ways.

00:58:36.520 As long as we just kind of understand our framework and understand a little bit about why they might be saying things a certain way.

00:58:45.060 uh of course you know suna is referred to in the old norse as sol um sol is um the

00:58:55.780 just simply mentioned here is the sister of mauni uh or mauna um which again i is grammatical but

00:59:06.180 some people have thrown that into when we talk about gendering the heavenly bodies um that's

00:59:13.880 an interesting subject, but I think more along the lines, what's more interesting about this stanza

00:59:18.880 is that the sun, the moon, and the stars find their station, find their might or their place

00:59:30.520 within all things. And it's not stated outright, but it's, again, the machinations of the gods

00:59:37.220 creating all things in their cyclical form. And that's always kind of correlated as a round

00:59:44.260 arcing movement. Uh, the, the Raido, if you will, the, uh, the movement of everything kind

00:59:51.460 of correlating correctly and in its proper positions.

01:00:07.220 i don't know if you have any uh no i'm just looking at it now we're in we are

01:00:15.580 five stanzas in that's okay these are this is really important and i'm glad we're doing that

01:00:22.140 and well you know we came up with three parts today we can call it and do it in as many parts

01:00:27.800 as we need to it's not a we're not bound by time on it i'd rather do it right than do it quickly

01:00:33.140 um bruce donated $25 to the frayershoff fund thank you so much bruce we appreciate it

01:00:41.140 we'll make sure your money gets uh towards the goal you intend and we will

01:00:46.580 get frayershoff $25 faster than we would have otherwise thank you very much everybody's been

01:00:53.180 really generous tonight we appreciate it um i was just checking to see if we have any um

01:00:58.220 Any questions so far about the text? We do have good questions that we are going to get to after we're done with the text, though, so please stay tuned, or if you are going to check back in, if you can't make the entire broadcast.

01:01:14.440 But no, I'm okay. Yeah, I'm okay with continuing on to stanza six.

01:01:18.940 okay so well and it's also worth noting that there is a part up here which i kind of

01:01:25.820 banked on or not necessarily banked on but understood that there's a huge section of this

01:01:31.280 first half of the first 25 of the dvergar or the the svartalfar and their their names so it's

01:01:40.060 that's gonna be one of those kind of leaps um no we're gonna listen to you

01:01:45.800 and you've got to do it in Reamer

01:01:50.280 just start singing it

01:01:55.180 you think I'm joking when they list those names 0.99

01:01:58.740 you are to do it in Reamer

01:02:01.260 why are you making me do this

01:02:03.000 you are a son of Iceland 0.98

01:02:04.840 no Reamer is optional

01:02:09.480 if you wanted to do that we would all have a good time

01:02:12.300 but honestly you just going through

01:02:15.280 with your pronunciations i think it'd be really nice for folks to hear that aren't familiar with

01:02:22.000 well um yeah i think we've already and you know studying with certain things like for instance

01:02:29.120 emir uh instead of uh sometimes i've heard uh yimer i've heard why mir or why meyer or

01:02:39.520 eye mire so getting a lot of that and correlating it down some people some people just don't know

01:02:46.640 so i think honestly hearing you say it authentically will get people closer than they

01:02:54.320 would be otherwise and honestly the more you know the more you realize how people sound

01:03:02.000 goofy and it's easy to poke fun but i guarantee you i butcher things all the time that are not

01:03:09.200 you know rich yeah and that's something i like when i've met people who say like

01:03:16.240 asatru or wymir or aimer i'm not actually really poking fun at him i just there isn't there isn't a

01:03:27.280 foundational english uh that's like agreed upon and so a lot of uh the sounds that we have based

01:03:35.040 stuff the letters that are used creates a lot of that and i and it's it sounds funny at times that

01:03:42.320 it is funny at times but the the real sad part is is that it was just there we're we're english

01:03:48.000 translating old norse uh based off of letters that we have now that and some of them we used to have

01:03:55.680 but don't anymore and so yeah i'm not particularly poking fun i really um you know i i if people were

01:04:04.640 if to say like hey the y in the beginning of emir is always like a double e sound um

01:04:11.760 then people would kind of be understood and there's like a there's a range of getting it

01:04:16.400 kind of wrong but american and then just getting it yokel hillbilly like silly wrong and i think

01:04:25.280 we've we've all heard that and i think different versions great on different people but i know our

01:04:30.000 audience likes to hear you say icelandic stuff they poke you with a stick and say do an icelandic

01:04:35.680 and uh and so we all have have fun with that and i do think it's educating but well and it's also

01:04:44.400 worth noting too icelandic has a lot some changes versus old norms a lot of the the the p sound in

01:04:51.120 the f um and uh you know a certain um like the lateral lisp of icelandic wasn't really present

01:04:59.820 in old norse when when we talk about like heim dollar uh but now in modern icelandic it's heim

01:05:06.120 dotler it's a like a a tick on the side of the the teeth dotler and so i i've watched some videos

01:05:16.120 there was like an icelandic woman and it's like she's talking about how it's said in modern

01:05:20.560 icelandic and it's like yeah but old norse was probably a little bit different probably wasn't

01:05:25.040 as finite or or filled with as many like percussive senses that that they do now so so that said uh

01:05:35.280 six through nine are some of my very favorite stanzas so let's proceed to stanza six

01:05:41.280 yes absolutely so then then sought the gods their assembly seats in heaven the holy ones

01:05:52.500 and held council or and council held names then gave they to noon and to twilight

01:06:00.760 morning they named and the waning moon night and evening the years to number this is a really

01:06:10.140 favorite one of mine as well, because we're talking about timekeeping and we're talking

01:06:14.680 about allocating linguistics towards times of the day. Uh, again, uh, you know, I've,

01:06:23.640 I've mentioned it numerous times, our ancestors counted and marked the day at sunset because of

01:06:29.300 its functionality. And currently, you know, in our, and, and I would say even in a better sense,

01:06:33.980 we see it as midnight now because we have the ability to count hourage, um, to precise increments.

01:06:41.680 And, um, and again, the, the sun rising and the sun setting are, are, are, um, so important to our

01:06:49.160 ancestors in the way they marked days. Um, but the idea of all that, that is, um, you know,

01:06:58.720 in all languages, all Germanic languages, the usage of the word morning, the usage of the word

01:07:05.340 midday or noon or evening, afternoon, all of these titles and words are again

01:07:16.760 change colloquially as we go. But what this is really talking about is the establishment of

01:07:25.940 the gods and their might over time. And that's why I often talk about the upper world is where

01:07:32.080 time descends. And it's not necessarily like a pouring. I'm saying that from the pinnacle or

01:07:40.160 the zenith or the top of the ordering of time and structure, along with weird, which is in essence

01:07:47.500 inseparable, descend and begin here with the gods and the way that they order these things

01:07:57.120 from their council seat. And, you know, again, we view the gods as the 12, and then the multitude

01:08:07.000 of goddesses, of course, with Freya and Frigga as being of the heights there. But this council

01:08:16.280 I wanted to point out in stanza six, one of the really, really important themes.

01:08:29.800 Oh, wait, I might have to step away. I have an animal that is in the house that's trapped in a

01:08:35.320 room. I'm sorry. Is it supposed to be in the house? Yeah, no, it is. Yes, it is one of our,

01:08:41.180 but it's going to make a terrible noise. It's been kind of doing it. I'll be one second.

01:08:44.840 All right, fair enough.

01:08:48.360 Svon goes and tends his beast.

01:08:52.120 It's a dragon.

01:08:54.280 Hey, you do you.

01:08:55.400 I don't know the rules in the Old Dominion on keeping dragons.

01:09:01.880 That said, stanza six is really meaningful to me in the fact that

01:09:11.400 for a long time there and i've spoken on this many times people embraced alsatru as

01:09:27.980 the anti-christianity or the anti-organized religion we don't like organized religion we

01:09:35.120 like mud hut chaos animism stuff and one of the things that they rejected was this idea of good

01:09:45.080 and evil and tried to contextualize everything but duality is important and it always has been

01:09:50.720 to our ancestors it may not always get phrased as good and evil per se but what it does get very

01:10:01.900 often illustrated as is order versus chaos um what we are watching our gods do in this part of of the

01:10:16.300 veluspa is literally ordering things setting the order of our existence setting order to time

01:10:28.780 their first thing they did was find their seats sit down and start structuring order and hierarchy

01:10:39.500 and in structure our gods are the gods of order our people our race has existed on finding chaotic

01:10:50.700 primalness and structuring it and putting order to it instilling our order onto the world around us

01:11:01.520 and that's exactly in in in grand scale what our gods are doing at this point

01:11:07.560 in the in the story that i think is extremely meaningful

01:11:11.280 i um i just noticed the uh for people who are might be listening and not seeing there's

01:11:20.920 apparently a disney version of me out there now on the on the uh step away screen just now saw that

01:11:29.500 i think it's the same one from uh last week the uh the as somebody said pixar

01:11:38.640 Pixar Svan. I was thinking

01:11:41.180 like from Frozen

01:11:43.140 or Disney or something.

01:11:46.260 Yes, it is.

01:11:47.520 I believe that's where it comes from

01:11:49.320 is the... That's funny.

01:11:51.300 The Frozen version.

01:11:54.000 Well, and I think it's also worth

01:11:55.320 something to note that you just said

01:11:57.360 too in the placement of time.

01:11:59.980 The general

01:12:01.260 belief of Snorri

01:12:03.240 Stutlason or at least

01:12:05.060 say the poets that started to

01:12:07.140 compile the the poems um and the usage of the of the number 12 uh the 12 gods and a lot of people

01:12:16.380 automatically correlate that to in the story the the referencing to the uh the the kind of the

01:12:24.800 lords of of troy uh and that whole euhemeristic uh kind of

01:12:30.500 paraphrasing that Snorty puts on the gods. But it is worth noting that like, again, that the

01:12:38.180 gods in their assembly seat, the 12 gods gather together and set forth time. And so I think the

01:12:44.460 number 12 has a great significance within our faith, just as much as three, six, and nine does

01:12:51.340 as a dynamic number. And even the number four has placement as well with stability. But 12 is a

01:12:57.900 unique number that i think is secretly woven in um or or just very mildly woven into the

01:13:06.700 understanding of the way our perhaps our understanding of time would progress into

01:13:13.340 an understanding of the 12 hour the 12 month um even the you know the the moon cycles um

01:13:20.460 if you correlate with some of the runic calendars the runic calendars are uh on a 19-year cycle

01:13:27.500 but they correlate with the days and the moons and it's generally 12 moon cycles a year

01:13:34.620 with perhaps one or two that overlap into a 13 and then readjust back to 12.

01:13:41.340 so even you know i know a lot of people might say like oh they you know in what what's that movie

01:13:47.580 um the one with the 13th warrior yes they need a warrior for every one of their months and it's 13

01:13:55.420 And, you know, that was kind of something that I think Michael Crichton put in with his book Eaters of the Dead.

01:14:00.700 But it's worth noting 12 is far more of a significant number than I think a lot of people realize.

01:14:07.820 So, time.

01:14:16.160 Stanza seven.

01:14:19.900 At Etheval met the mighty gods.

01:14:23.000 shrines and temples they timbered high forges they set and they smithied ore

01:14:30.860 tongs they rot and tools they fashioned um when we talk first out the gate either

01:14:39.740 either valley either valley either means work it means toil it means really in essence a a valley

01:14:50.700 of potential. It is a valley of a place in which things are to be built, and the progress of order

01:15:00.160 is being set. I think this manifests, of course, in language about forges and, you know, tools

01:15:10.420 and tongs and things of high capacity, especially of that time. The idea that, you know, if you

01:15:16.640 were a place that couldn't forge a nail, you know, or, or, you know, have these things, then you were

01:15:23.260 no place at all. And this is kind of showing that the gods are formula, formulating or formulating

01:15:30.140 and formulizing things. They're creating and moving in this plane of potential. And it's

01:15:38.140 never really specified, but it's kind of seen as either of all is in heaven, but is later on

01:15:44.280 sectioned out into realms um and i i don't try to hold on to that too hard in the ideas like well

01:15:53.620 what what realm where are the property lines or what have you um but it's understood that either

01:16:00.320 is that heavenly place in which they now start to build the halls of the gods and if we look in

01:16:09.460 Grimnismal, you know, even though in the poem, Lord Odin kind of mashes all of the rivers together,

01:16:18.280 you know, there's other poems that we can look at.

01:16:20.120 There are clearly unique rivers mentioned in heaven, you know, Kort and Ornt and Thrund,

01:16:29.520 and all of these rivers are mentioned as kind of being in the valley where the gods build

01:16:35.520 ausgarth the actual enclosure of the gods but that's kind of seen or as a symbolic sense of

01:16:46.120 the enclosure in which the gods reside and that they leave that place to go to the base of the

01:16:52.380 tree and sit to council repeatedly over and over and over again in relation to how they play out

01:16:59.340 their dominion in the world so when i speak about like how the gods hold their dominion over the

01:17:05.060 world this is though that these are the verses that are kind of explaining that or where my

01:17:11.820 intention or idea of the of the interplay between the gods and everything in correlation to the base

01:17:18.720 of the tree and that the uh where they assemble at that well at earth's well where all things are

01:17:25.400 kind of originate from something else that

01:17:31.960 i've always found inspirational and the more that i've you know thought on it over the years has

01:17:43.740 been uh the meaning's been enhanced but so after they set the initial order and structure of

01:17:56.940 things of time and such uh so they they set these kind of abstract framework things and then they

01:18:11.340 met on the plane of action where things occur and what they did there first was set up shrines and

01:18:21.180 temples and they they timbered them high they set up forges they smithed ore they made tools um

01:18:32.780 first just this idea of

01:18:35.340 of what do you do when you come to power you build things you build

01:18:46.860 special things for holy purposes but you build stuff the impetus to to build instead of to tear

01:18:59.080 down or to you know mete out punishment or destruction on something when the gods come to

01:19:08.100 power the first thing they do in their new realm that they've created is to build beautiful things

01:19:16.500 and and i've always been inspired by that just in ways i would like to see also true

01:19:23.720 do things as we

01:19:27.460 come into our own in the modern world, what do we do?

01:19:33.820 We should build temples and set up beautiful things and build these things to our gods.

01:19:39.100 And I think that's a special thing and one of the things that has inspired me a lot.

01:19:45.040 But also what I think is important.

01:19:46.900 there is this trope with the shoulder pelts and ash on the face and whatever the dangly things in 0.53

01:19:56.740 front of the high lung chicks eyes are and the antlers and the nonsense of this reverence for 0.83

01:20:05.380 ooga booga primitive stuff we don't see that here the first thing they did they built shrines and

01:20:15.220 temples. They didn't, as some people like to contend, no, our ancestors only worshiped at

01:20:24.100 rocks and in groves and in the woods. No, the first thing our gods did was build high-timbered

01:20:32.920 shrines and temples. This is at a much earlier stage, certainly than present, of our ancestors

01:20:42.300 and how they conceptualized their gods and what they did,

01:20:46.080 everything we've seen in this poem thus far

01:20:49.620 is the gods taking primitive and raw nature

01:20:54.660 and breaking it down and shaping it to their will

01:20:59.380 with technology, with stuff.

01:21:01.640 They made tools.

01:21:03.480 They didn't just levitate it with their head.

01:21:06.420 The conception of our ancestors,

01:21:08.220 very close to that arc, also true period,

01:21:12.300 No, the gods built stuff. They made buildings. They made structures. They took ore, and from it, they fashioned tools. They fashioned gold and ornamentation. They made high-timbered temples and shrines.

01:21:29.140 We look back in history and a lot of people will take a reflection of the very end of the Alistair era of the Germanic tribes in a very primitive state and comment as if our ancestors didn't build holy buildings.

01:21:52.120 because what the Germanic tribesmen had in comparison with, you know, the Via Sacra in Rome

01:22:02.780 was obviously of a very different magnitude and a very different quality of architecture.

01:22:09.820 But here you see that it was always the understanding of our ancestors.

01:22:13.900 No, our gods, you know, temples and shrines were stuff that you built.

01:22:18.380 didn't say they frolicked in the woods or they gathered around a pretty rock said no they made

01:22:25.920 timbered temples that's a really special thing and i think it's meaningful and it doesn't mean

01:22:31.740 nature is beautiful we all get that being out in the woods and finding something that's really

01:22:36.960 special or a special part in nature that's great and there's nothing wrong with that

01:22:43.640 but in Ausatru we absolutely had temples and we have temples again

01:22:50.640 it's um something that uh is going over here in the chat with uh Vril Mage who did the gods

01:23:04.960 worship in their house or is it talking about our earliest ancestors well I think that one of the

01:23:11.760 things worth noting is, and I've said this often, is that what happens in the halls of the gods

01:23:16.400 happens to in the hearts of men. And this applies to a lot of things, including the binding of

01:23:22.740 Fenris and so on and so forth. I think that it's worth noting that it's a correlation by the poets

01:23:31.180 to correlate the gods towards achievements in mankind show their advancement, especially

01:23:38.480 when these things were not easily attainable so the idea of the gods building shrines and temples

01:23:45.320 building tools and making ore are specific towards the idea that they're they're correlating the gods

01:23:54.180 to those who are listening to the poem and knowing or is hard to get uh there's these are advancements

01:24:01.900 these are things going on the gods are advanced the gods are doing things and they're doing things

01:24:07.380 before everyone else. So I think that the point of it is correlation, not necessarily to say,

01:24:13.420 oh, the gods are worshiping something in the shrines. The gods are worshiping something in

01:24:18.260 the temples. No, in essence, the gods are acting like advanced humans or that the audience is

01:24:24.900 picking up that the gods are advanced, like they see advancement on a scale. And that scale is,

01:24:33.760 Again, if you have temples, if you have shrines, if you have the ability to make tongs from

01:24:41.380 oared iron and things of that nature are continuously emphasized in order to kind of lay out to

01:24:49.860 the audience that the gods are hyper, you know, up to date or even, you know, they're

01:24:56.440 civilized, they're organized.

01:24:58.200 even to our ancestors these ideas were things that i think a lot of them wanted needed and

01:25:05.180 desired and seeing that the gods had the the acumen in order to simply bring these forward

01:25:12.780 is is a is a flex statement if you will the gods are mighty the gods are powerful um but how do

01:25:19.240 you state that without kind of again correlation to the time and i think we're we're in the we're

01:25:26.760 in the section where the whole point is the establishment of order and how things ought to be

01:25:34.440 so we go very quickly from hierarchy of of celestial bodies and time to

01:25:46.040 and then what do the gods do they set up beautiful buildings and structure and those buildings

01:25:51.080 aren't just you know a bingo hall they're temples and shrines there's a place for the sacred

01:25:59.400 when you look at and you know it wasn't talked about in uh

01:26:05.000 in this poem but but it will be in more detail later odinville and vey

01:26:09.880 one-third of that triad of creation was sacrality that's what what vay's name means

01:26:23.020 you know our reality was shaped out of um will out of inspiration and out of sacredness

01:26:33.440 in a very literal way and when the gods rightly order how the world ought to be

01:26:41.080 that space for temples and shrines is the first thing that they build and i think that's

01:26:48.600 i think that's meaningful

01:26:53.640 i noticed here in the script to um uh let's see uncle krampus migrating people tend not to build

01:27:01.420 structures of permanence. And I think that that's interesting because one of the reasons why we know

01:27:06.840 about some of the early Aryan migrations, or not earliest, but, you know, iron age, cusp of bronze

01:27:15.060 and iron moving in is because of the Kurgan burial mound. And so I think that it's kind of a broad

01:27:24.200 stroke brush if you say they're not building for permanence. I think sometimes it's worth noting

01:27:30.120 that for occasions of death and occasions of honoring the gods, they built structures.

01:27:36.720 It's also worth noting that they oftentimes reutilized megalith areas, but often had

01:27:44.920 those places seen as perhaps elder places or places that they would build their own.

01:27:53.200 And again, there's other things that we might not even know.

01:27:56.360 They may have built shrines and temples out of things that just don't stand the test of time.

01:28:04.860 Kurgan stand the test of time, and of course the megalith circles and stones stand the test of time,

01:28:11.100 but maybe they were doing things based off of what was available to them.

01:28:15.120 Icelanders ended up building a lot out of stone simply because there wasn't a lot of wood.

01:28:19.820 one of the and a couple other things to consider on that the germanic tribesmen that the romans

01:28:26.140 encountered first at that period and in that place were wandering nomadic they'd been pushed

01:28:34.780 and by the environment and by neighboring tribes they weren't settled it wasn't the height of some

01:28:41.180 great aryan kingdom that was the ideal no it was wandering refugee tribesmen that were fighting

01:28:47.820 amongst themselves in a you know non-ideal state but just because that's the stage they found them

01:28:56.880 doesn't mean that was the folk ideal they remembered and talked about those kind of things

01:29:05.160 those structures palaces great things and when you look back in the history of of aryan peoples

01:29:11.740 they have those at different times when you see even at that time when you see the culture clash

01:29:16.620 between rome and the germanics they're both branches of aryan people that harken back to

01:29:22.300 these most primal truths of creation clearly other branches of our folk were prolific in building

01:29:31.740 magnificent structures they did in a way that did stay over time one of the things that

01:29:38.860 we very often see is the wood used in germany and in scandinavia to construct structures

01:29:46.540 would rot over time. It's one of the advancements when you look into the building of the Stavekirka.

01:29:54.300 The staves originally were embedded into the ground, and that worked really good for a while,

01:30:00.460 but eventually it rotted the wood. One of the later innovations pretty close to or right at

01:30:07.260 the Christianizing period in the north was to start putting those buildings on stone foundation 0.85

01:30:13.900 so that the rotting didn't happen. 0.64

01:30:16.900 But it's one of the ways that they identify

01:30:19.120 Hoffs and temple structures archaeologically

01:30:23.500 is finding post holes in the remnants

01:30:27.720 of where posts would go.

01:30:29.060 But wood doesn't stand the test of time

01:30:31.580 the same way that marble does.

01:30:38.380 Well, yeah, he's talking about in reference

01:30:40.840 to tacitus or tacitus um you know and yeah i think it's worth noting that the migrational period

01:30:49.320 causes adaptation and i mean we we kind of see two ends of it when we talk about tacitus's um

01:30:57.560 observations of the germanic people uh you know and he talks about how they don't um put their

01:31:03.800 gods into human form, um, versus Snorty and his euhemorizing of the gods as kings of Norway or

01:31:12.600 kings of Sweden, we see this kind of, uh, two sides of the table. Um, I think it is also worth

01:31:19.860 noting too that Tacitus was probably taking a jab at, um, the Romans themselves, uh, because

01:31:28.400 Because the faith of Rome and of Greece and just of the Hellenics was changing in and of itself. There was a lot more of an artistic representation of the gods. And not everyone was keen on that. And ultimately what it led to was the gods by the philosophes kind of turning into soap operas and dramas and plays and things.

01:31:52.440 And so he's kind of at the front end of the slippery slope argument.

01:31:56.920 And that's an interesting thing, too, just in Germanic studies in general.

01:32:01.220 That's the purpose of a lot of Tacitus' writing.

01:32:06.660 And admittedly so, and well known at the time and since, what he did, not that it was dishonest, but he wanted to point out, I guess, what would become the ideal of the noble savage.

01:32:22.440 He wanted to point out the decadence and decay that Rome had become by his time with an earlier stage of our folk where, you know, they were more in touch with, you know, the more primal element of our faith.

01:32:42.580 And he was pointing out primal virtues of a more virtuous stage in the development,

01:32:50.700 hearkening back to Rome's own earlier period when those virtues were more valuable.

01:32:57.120 And as they got more rooted, more civilized, and more decadent, those who disappeared even makes those comments in annals quite often

01:33:06.200 about how far Rome had come from its glory days

01:33:10.520 of when, you know, the virtues were celebrated

01:33:16.580 higher than they were certainly, you know,

01:33:20.300 I've been writing at the end of,

01:33:24.780 a lot of his critique he was writing

01:33:27.140 was about Nero's administration.

01:33:29.120 So at a point during the bad emperors

01:33:32.200 where things had gone you know gone astray a lot of his his writing was commentary that way

01:33:41.000 and so i think he chose to emphasize a lot of you know noble savage kind of virtues 0.78

01:33:47.720 well yeah the degeneracy that rome had become uncle kram is like it's hitting it on the head

01:33:53.960 there i think two things that a lot of people don't think about that really really stick out

01:33:59.320 to me is he talks about how the germanics need of only having one wife and that's a that's an

01:34:05.240 odd way of stating that they're monogamous is because he's kind of referencing to he's leaving

01:34:10.440 what's unsaid is that it's you know being read by romans who are like you know he's saying they

01:34:15.640 only need to be loyal to one woman and they are together and you know rome was slipping into

01:34:21.400 different direction um and the other the uh what was the other thing that really kind of like left 0.98

01:34:27.000 unsaid because normally we go straight towards like cowards and homosexuals were bogged and that 0.93

01:34:33.640 is pretty clear cut and forward but like i i really thought the uh oh it was the weapons amongst 0.91

01:34:40.760 leadership these were two kind of like that were unsung one was the need for only one wife and the

01:34:46.680 other was that free men could bear arms in front of their kings because their system was built on

01:34:53.640 honor was built on uh being able to express your ideals but still having loyalty and honor to your

01:35:00.920 king or to your lord or to your thing and that it was seen as like you know even in the civilized

01:35:06.520 world you you can't have weapons in front of people because it they tend to get a little stabby

01:35:15.000 all right and before we continue um colvin gilder five dollars thank you so much we appreciate that

01:35:22.280 um and on to stanza eight yeah so uh in their dwellings at peace they played at the tables 0.85

01:35:37.160 of gold there was no lack did the gods then know till thither came up giant maidens three 0.97

01:35:47.640 huge of might, out of Jotunheim. And the word used here too, when we talk about giant maidens,

01:35:58.640 is thersa, which is an interesting usage because thersas are generally correlated with perhaps

01:36:07.640 like a more primitive sense. Oftentimes people, I think, ultimately correlate thers to troll

01:36:15.980 in an etymological way,

01:36:20.340 and I don't necessarily think that's the case.

01:36:23.300 I think thirst means, again, ancient and mighty

01:36:26.420 of great power,

01:36:31.100 and that power can manifest very primally,

01:36:35.160 but it was seen as perhaps not multifaceted,

01:36:39.420 but purposeful in almost like a singular way.

01:36:45.980 um but it's it's ear and you know they they say they uh in their dwellings at peace they played

01:36:51.260 at the tables that part there is reference to the boards uh tables and boards um chess pieces um

01:37:01.580 in uh i know i'm sure most people are familiar with like a the popular game right now that

01:37:09.020 has definitely was um kind of honed in the nordic lands though it's present in wales uh oftentimes

01:37:16.780 a much bigger board and really showed up more in a revival in the medieval periods is uh not

01:37:25.260 um which is the challenge uh napa is uh combat and topple is table so the combat table or the

01:37:35.500 The chess board is like, as we know it with the, you know,

01:37:39.960 the king and his loyal fanes in the center being onslaughted from four

01:37:45.500 directions. Very, very cool game.

01:37:48.000 But the idea of being able to play games and being able to do things is about

01:37:54.480 peace. It's about prosperity.

01:37:57.020 It's the ultimate desire to create a place where art and where,

01:38:03.740 what's the word? Entertainment can be attained so that people can take a relaxing break from

01:38:17.060 toil and the mundane. And I think that that is in juxtaposition to the earlier stanza where

01:38:25.340 they're talking about the gods working. They're also now talking about them at peace and playing

01:38:30.060 games so the correlation there is is that building societies allow you to have um

01:38:39.500 you know breaks have desirable things and that you should try to you know attain those obviously we

01:38:45.660 could talk about you know too good a times create bad things but you know i think in this context

01:38:52.460 Um, the gods are enjoying the fruits of their labor. And then from Jotunheim come these,

01:39:02.720 these thirst maidens. Now I think it's worth noting the, uh, the, obviously these are the 0.93

01:39:10.780 witches. Um, Nornir translates to witch, but they don't, you know, um, specifically say the

01:39:17.600 Nornir in this stanza. When Midgard is formulated, there are two, again, kind of polaric sides,

01:39:29.180 much like Muspelheim and Niflheim. There is also Vanaheim and Jotunheim. And Jotunheim is kind

01:39:36.240 referred to as the place of ancient things it's kind of the where the um

01:39:45.680 the essence of emir's primordialness goes and they reference this as kind of like the east

01:39:53.680 in in ref like the mountains to the east if you're in norway uh if you're in sweden or if you're in

01:40:00.560 europe the the idea is that beyond the mountains to the east is where the primordial is um

01:40:06.240 where the unknown is or where the the garth at the edge of things is and they come from there

01:40:13.680 because those things are they are ancient and they are in essence born of the slaying of emir

01:40:24.120 and that i think is really important to to key in on because ultimately the nornir show up because

01:40:31.780 of the slaying of Ymir. This is the time in which the deeds of the gods start into motion

01:40:39.860 all things, including ultimately Ragnarok. The idea is that all things have a cycle,

01:40:48.940 all things have a completion or a return and then an ascension again. And that is

01:40:55.160 where the the nornir come from and all of the jotnar in um the stories especially the jotnar

01:41:04.680 in relation to emir are consistently viewed as um coming from the east as in some some sort of

01:41:12.020 remembrance of the slaying of emir and the the the willful changing so when people try to organize

01:41:19.140 things and create things, there's kind of this, I don't know, this memory or perhaps this is like

01:41:25.360 just covetous desire to kind of change or dissipate. And that is really exemplified in

01:41:31.940 coming from the East, coming from Jotunheim. Those two are kind of interchangeable.

01:41:40.100 i think as things develop this becomes a little bit

01:41:49.820 more often used but the

01:41:56.160 the differences between types of giants is a lot and it can be very confusing

01:42:06.940 because there's overlap in names and things.

01:42:10.740 There are seemingly unconscious forces of primal existence that are there

01:42:21.700 that are a form of Yotnar.

01:42:25.300 There are malevolent trolls and things that are malicious against order,

01:42:34.820 against mankind against the gods that are yotnar there are amazing and wise like wizard giants

01:42:45.300 that are yotnar and then there are also progenitors of the gods um sometimes spouses

01:42:56.020 of the gods forces from an ancient and a primal time that have an ancient an ancient wisdom or

01:43:03.300 a you know a primal from the roots of creation wisdom to impart at later stages and so i think

01:43:10.660 that that becomes confusing because some are very hostile and malevolent others are

01:43:18.260 existing on their own without particular allegiance and others you know are helpful

01:43:24.020 at times so i think it it all depends on context it's not one size fits all when we talk about

01:43:30.660 giants well in this event creates a uh situation in which the gods have to gather and uh it says

01:43:46.020 that then sought the gods their assembly seats the holy ones and council held

01:43:52.180 so um this is i think there's in reference to the nornir coming from the east but also

01:44:04.540 i think this might lend itself towards some stories that we don't have that that might not

01:44:11.140 have survived but translation wise that it gets confusing and it doesn't get any easier um but

01:44:18.180 it's just I think the first two lines of stanza nine are in direct reference to the fact that

01:44:23.580 the Nornir have arrived and they have to um you know correlate with their arrival and this

01:44:35.200 brings on the next step which I think is the reason why the stories might not exist is I

01:44:42.720 i think this is referencing to the story of how the gods and the the dverga or dvergar or uh and

01:44:52.160 it's said if you're reading this in old norse um the the dvergar are the dwarves or the the smart

01:45:00.240 alvar or like the again the spirits of material um they they seek to gather and do they seek to

01:45:08.960 gather in order to find specific dwarves it's never quite mentioned but we do know that the

01:45:15.520 four hearts that are in heaven described in um uh the skull the skulls uh reference or in the

01:45:24.160 gilfagining um they have dwarven names but alas there's a huge gap there um but it says you know

01:45:33.600 then sought the gods their assembly seats the place in which they they their dominion the reagan

01:45:40.160 over and um they you know they're they're the great holy ones the the gin hilo gold they're

01:45:49.920 the great holy ones gather and and counsel to find who should raise the race of dwarves

01:45:58.240 out of Bremer's blood and the legs of, well, it says in English Blaine, but it's interesting. 0.74

01:46:06.720 So like if we go over to the Nordic side, it's worth noting there's a dash above the A,

01:46:12.320 which means that the name is Blauen, not Blaine. It's pronounced Blauen. And Blauen means blue,

01:46:20.020 the blue one or the one of blue in it. Every reference that we can think of in relation to

01:46:25.900 blueness is about death or at least being of the under so that's an interesting thing a lot of

01:46:32.400 people take this as out of brimmer's blood which i think is correct is that this is a another word

01:46:38.480 or another title for emir and there are multiple titles used owl yelmer is often used um and this

01:46:45.280 one brimmer is kind of seen as um the brining rhyme ice but in reference to here it may be

01:46:53.440 again, blood. Brimmer's blood is this kind of like froth and gore of Ymir's movings. And then

01:47:03.660 the legs of Blauen. To my knowledge, there's no reference of Ymir ever being referred to as Blauen.

01:47:11.420 And we do know that both of these names are used for Dvergar's names. And so I'm wondering if

01:47:16.820 there is perhaps a progenitor of the Dvergar. But most people take this as that from the blood

01:47:26.420 and from his legs of Imir is generally how it's translated. But again, that's not 100% agreed

01:47:34.040 upon. Brimir makes more sense, but Blauen doesn't because out of the blood and the legs,

01:47:42.900 That and is kind of, I don't know if it's connective or if there's a story that we're missing.

01:47:51.140 But from this, some people have surmised, and I think it has merit, is that after the flood, after the flood of Ymir, it's said that the Yotnar are reduced to only two.

01:48:08.280 and again this is about you know uh generationally like osk and emla are not physically a one and one

01:48:16.400 but the proto generation of things so the proto generation of the gods is in bur yelmer and his

01:48:23.920 unnamed wife and they flow to the east where would become jotenheim um but it's out of brimmer's blood

01:48:34.460 and the legs of blaine some people talk about the the lower half of emir being mentioned as the legs

01:48:41.740 and i think that that has merit in relation to where the dvergar live the dvergar live in neither

01:48:49.180 which is the valley that's beneath or the dark valley the place um in the shadow it's not

01:48:58.140 Nivilheim or Nivilhel, it's Nidavellur is like the the land underneath the land and it's there

01:49:07.340 I think that the reference to legs means again the underneath the lower half and there is where

01:49:14.380 the spirits of the land the spirits of the material come and formulate and um you know

01:49:23.100 You know, now we're about to move into the litany of the dwarves.

01:49:25.720 So keep in mind with that, and Svan's reference to the legs, the lower, and the underneath, 0.96

01:49:35.980 when we talk about, as we talked earlier, about the gods being in heaven,

01:49:40.980 about the idea of upward ascension being a progression towards the ideal.

01:49:49.680 um and it's fine name us name us some dwarves well okay so first um if you if you're looking

01:50:01.840 at the the nordic to um english translations some of you might have them side by side i'm not

01:50:08.720 100 sure where everyone's at but um in the english version it says there was moat saugnir

01:50:16.720 and that doesn't fit because the it should actually be a th but the uh the nordic is

01:50:27.960 mode mode soul near the soul the g is kind of rounded and what mode means if anybody's

01:50:37.700 obviously with like, uh, with, uh, Magni and Mothi or with, um, Mothguth, uh, as she resides on the

01:50:47.900 bridge between the living and the dead. Moth means might. Moth means strength. And Sognir is,

01:50:54.220 is referencing to drinking or, uh, the drink, like might drinker, but it might have an interesting

01:51:04.580 context in the idea of like gravity and the correlation of the mass of earth and the idea

01:51:13.140 that the drinking or drawing in of might um i'm not saying that that's what this is alluding to

01:51:19.940 but it makes for an interesting point when you think of of might drinker and the idea of the

01:51:26.820 pulling in power um and that i think is you know really interesting the but it says there was mozi

01:51:35.700 uh the mightiest maid of all the dwarves and durin next many a likeness of men they made

01:51:46.820 the dwarves in the earth as durin said um that again i think is the reason why it makes him

01:51:56.820 uh a reference to perhaps another story that's why i specifically as durin said um

01:52:07.300 is sounding of the idea that it's linking to another poem that might have been lost

01:52:12.420 but the litany of the dwarves comes in there and i think that it's you know it's worth noting that

01:52:18.580 the the dvergar are deeply connected to the material both in energy and in physicality

01:52:25.940 the idea of the earth um the pulling of the earth the the the interplay of elements and chemicals

01:52:35.700 i think is really denoted towards the dvergar and i think that that's worth noting because it always

01:52:43.380 mentions it with like in relation to fashioning weapons and things of that is that this is the

01:52:49.380 the highest quality or the highest power of all things that can be kind of interplayed through

01:52:56.420 fire and um rock creating this ore and all of the knowledge that they have given to a smith

01:53:05.140 means that this is going to be you know an exceptionally strong um metal or or object um

01:53:14.820 let me see here so

01:53:19.380 Are we? I'm still trying to make sure I'm following correctly.

01:53:28.620 Yeah. All right. So, um, you know, now we have, uh,

01:53:36.980 Ni, Nidhi, Nordri, and Sudri, Ostri, and Vestri. Now, for anybody that needs to know that, again,

01:53:48.320 the Dvergar are specifically kind of correlated to land and the land underneath the feet of our

01:53:54.820 ancestors, and Nordri, of course, is north. Sudri is south, Ostri, and Vestri, so north, south,

01:54:03.360 south, east, and west are really, really, again, important.

01:54:12.840 We have

01:54:39.840 That's kind of an interesting name too right there.

01:54:42.840 uh, Mjöv being mead, uh, and Vignir is a poetic name for a wolf. So mead wolf is kind of a,

01:54:52.660 an interesting name getting, getting kind of, uh, an idea of like the dripping bomber means the,

01:54:59.760 the loud or the cacophonous. Um, and I think that these, these names are again for the poet

01:55:07.420 to practice their alliterative rhyming but also correlations to um kind of functions and things

01:55:15.260 of the earth the knocking the the cracking the rolling the the the earth moving if you will um

01:55:24.140 again uh always been one that i've kind of wondered about um but there's there is uh

01:55:33.100 So, they translate it to Vig and Gandalf, but Gandalf, of course, is Wandelf.

01:55:46.500 Vindalver, Spirit of the Wind, or Elf of the Wind.

01:55:51.280 And remember, alf is always correlated.

01:55:53.740 It's much like the word Vettur, or white, or Kinder. 0.98

01:55:57.560 It means like a being of...

01:56:00.300 But Alvar always have a tendency to be more of a spiritual nature than, say, a kinder, which is, like, a people.

01:56:10.080 Thorin, thraur og thrauen, fecker, litter og vitter, nier og nieradar.

01:56:25.880 Yeah, so that, actually, that's quite interesting.

01:56:30.300 The rider, raudr.

01:56:34.980 Oh no, it could be council as well.

01:56:36.720 So again, some of the names of Thor are ein raudr, the lone rider.

01:56:47.640 Whereas nirraudr, raudr most likely is, or it could be auðr.

01:56:53.120 So sometimes they're compound words.

01:56:55.360 And so when you're looking things up, it might be worth looking at the idea that there is like, even though there's near, near may be by itself.

01:57:05.960 But the next one, near rather, might emphasize N-Y, rather.

01:57:13.280 And so you might want to section things apart to look them up sometimes.

01:57:17.940 I'm actually kind of interested on that one because of the stasis of it.

01:57:22.360 And you see this like in the rivers in heaven, outside of Edival, over the mountains of heaven, there are two rivers, corped and orped.

01:57:32.420 And their names are the are the cooling one and the twisting one, even though they sound only one difference based off of a letter.

01:57:42.060 The idea is that there is one that twists like a serpent and the other one is cool.

01:57:46.540 And a lot of this usage of words that are so close together are, again, a way for the poet to kind of differentiate and create a tempo.

01:58:02.220 So there's kind of like this tempo that's really established at this point in the poem.

01:58:27.480 Speaking of tempo, now would be a good time for Reamer.

01:58:32.220 Well, I can't sing, but that was about as close as I could get.

01:58:38.840 I know.

01:58:39.300 You were a virgin on it.

01:58:40.460 You were on the cusp.

01:58:41.760 I was on the cusp.

01:58:42.840 If anybody, nobody might know this, but like Rimur is a singing style of poetic telling.

01:58:50.160 Most people think that it's really old and it's been around for a long time.

01:58:54.300 Some people think that it may have come after the poems were written down and that another

01:58:59.320 way to kind of tell the poems was to sing it.

01:59:01.620 but sven bjorn biattinson has recordings of riemel on youtube yes i was just gonna say

01:59:09.820 and if we can get any of our people to link those up over in the side chat or even in the description

01:59:15.940 of the video or something um first sven bjorn is one of our heroes and we want to celebrate him

01:59:22.820 And it's special to be able to, you know, hear his voice echoing through time.

01:59:29.860 It's also just kind of a neat thing to listen to him do some of some Scaldic verse in in Reamer.

01:59:38.480 It's really kind of cool. And it's partially because it's not our native tongue.

01:59:47.900 It becomes meditative with its with its pacing.

01:59:52.200 And if any of you guys haven't checked that out, you absolutely should listen to all of it if you want.

01:59:58.640 At least listen to a taste of it so you know.

02:00:01.680 But you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you don't just check that out.

02:00:06.200 If not, just to get a taste.

02:00:13.780 Side note, I don't understand why the frozen version of me looks villainous, but I'll take it.

02:00:20.220 I enjoy it.

02:00:22.200 yeah so near near is new

02:00:29.640 um newness uh to be a new again so there is new near um so new council near rather or

02:00:45.440 ni um ni again is newness new ni and near are both referencing to new so new and new council um

02:00:57.880 it's it's very interesting and this whole part um is really one of those like wikipedia dives

02:01:06.100 or one of those metapedia dives or an etymological uh you can go to old norse dictionaries and kind

02:01:12.680 of um you know really delve deep into the names of the dwarves but i think this is a purposeful

02:01:20.200 section that was either it might have possibly been added in again to um

02:01:30.920 you know uh get the poet to practice there's a lot of confusion with it that this causes like

02:01:37.480 for instance um in stanza 12 there is near and near out and uh now i tell you of the dwarves

02:01:48.120 rayon or grouse which is uh swift council but rayon is interesting because somebody mentioned

02:01:54.920 i saw it in the side chat about when i was like oh i got a dragon and his name is fafnir if anybody's

02:02:00.280 familiar of course with that then you you know the idea is that is this the same regan or rayon

02:02:07.080 of that story are they correlating the two it's it's not entirely known

02:02:18.440 and then again these names seem to be repeating even items or even the the elder gods like there

02:02:29.000 is there is a builder or you know filter or burry again burry is mentioned but burry is of course

02:02:38.680 something that comes out of the ground or something that is out of the the substrate and then um you

02:02:45.000 know uh here in stanza 15 the dripping one and if anybody's familiar of course the lore of lord

02:02:54.920 Odin. Draupnir is the golden ring around his arm that drips nine, but this could be referencing to

02:03:01.820 the dripping of caves. There's a lot of theories on this section, and I'm not particularly trying

02:03:08.080 to point in any way, but I really feel that this was a part that was added in with the intention

02:03:16.440 of kind of showing what the poet can do by just memorizing and being able to kind of lay out the

02:03:23.660 litany um very very quickly so you know again a lot of the the uh the big thing i would say is

02:03:32.660 understanding like dashes above a's me meaning an owl sound a dash above a y is like a double e

02:03:42.380 sound uh if it's in the middle of a word um understanding what an ev is which looks like

02:03:48.860 a d with a line through it's like a t and a lowercase d that's actually the th sound um so

02:03:55.920 if you see that like they they translate it to frar f-r-a-r but it's if you look at the nordic

02:04:03.700 one there's an a dash above it so it's fraur and uh the r at the end is its own syllable so it's

02:04:12.480 it is most likely frauer because ours are uh often added as their own so to add something

02:04:19.840 to uh just the side chat the wolf throne is you know if you guys actually go through every stanza

02:04:25.920 and every poem in the poetic edit that would be so cool it will be so cool because we are

02:04:31.360 absolutely going to do that we're going to riddle them off one at a time um and we'll see what kind

02:04:37.760 of pacing and what we're going to do on that because you know i don't know how many wednesdays

02:04:42.960 in a row we we can have spawn on here per se but we're going to get that figured out and do that

02:04:49.120 and uh you said one episode for each poem that's a cool idea but they're very meaty and uh i think

02:04:55.200 that's a biting off a little bit more than we can choose so we're probably going to break several of

02:04:59.120 them up into uh multiple episodes like we're doing tonight but that is absolutely the plan

02:05:05.280 So stick with us and we will make that happen for you.

02:05:16.280 Let's see now.

02:05:23.280 I'm trying to think of, there is an interesting note here about Dvalin being the kind of originator of the dwarves

02:05:32.280 the dwarves, and that somehow he is the link between how the Dvergar attain runes,

02:05:39.440 and they're not necessarily mentioned as perhaps different runes, but are the runes that Odin

02:05:46.780 attains, and that somehow he attains them, which is another reason why

02:05:52.320 I wonder if there are stories, again, that are lost, especially in referencing

02:05:59.960 to the Dvergar, because if you were to give whole stanzas, I think that their empowerment

02:06:06.520 in stories has been lost just because of the evidence. It seems so,

02:06:14.560 you know, indicative of a lot of the poetics. And of course, we don't really see any of that

02:06:22.540 until um you know tolkien and his usage of the dwarves names um and that most likely i think

02:06:30.300 just really comes from his love of etymology and the idea uh that you know of bomber being the

02:06:37.180 kind of the the boisterous one and i know some people kind of turn their nose towards um

02:06:42.620 uh peter jackson's versions but i will note like bomber had a drum and i thought that was

02:06:49.820 really cool like they did a little bit of a nod towards the etymology of the name being like a

02:06:55.020 resounding sound so um i think that was really cool because i don't remember there him having

02:07:02.220 a drum in the uh in the books so but uh so we're so after the litany of the dvergar we we move

02:07:14.620 ourselves into the next stage of the the ordering and the actions of what is being committed are

02:07:25.500 starting to formulate things the slaying of emir and the the coming of the dwarves the coming of

02:07:31.900 the nornir and the coming of the dwarves but now there's also another thing that comes into being

02:07:36.780 is the West now starts to bring itself into the realm of, of, um, understanding. And it correlates

02:07:45.640 again, I've mentioned a thousand times natural law and the, and, and the, the cycle of life and

02:07:52.140 death and all things is now coming into the dominion under cosmic order, but it will not

02:07:59.000 come peacefully there has to be a kind of uh again a great battle and a a sense to overcome

02:08:08.760 so i i you know we're we're correct on stanza 21 right we

02:08:15.800 oh we're still doing we're we're still on the the throng of the dwarfs but um if we move to after

02:08:24.280 is it 17 let me see here just making sure we're all on the same page

02:08:36.000 oh yes sorry i skipped ahead um so after the litany of the of the dwarves and the list

02:08:50.840 uh you know the list of all the forbearers of lovar then it switches then from the throng

02:09:00.280 did three come forth from the home of the gods the mighty and gracious

02:09:08.440 two without fate on land they found ask an embla empty of might so they're speaking about

02:09:18.280 the tripartite of lord odin and at this point it's worth noting then from the throng then from

02:09:26.360 the great group of the gods three of them came so in the stories i kind of talk about the gods as

02:09:33.800 being young at this moment because i'm making reference to the time but that i also you know

02:09:40.840 know conceptualizing lord ovin in different times um but it's worth noting it out of the group of

02:09:48.080 them come three from the home of the gods from heaven the mighty and gracious they find on the

02:09:57.860 land two that are unfaded there's no might with no destiny ask and embla empty of orlog

02:10:08.960 that's an interesting point that in in the translation is empty of might but ask or

02:10:16.520 emble or log lausa without lost of orlog they don't have it they're not fated some other

02:10:25.380 translations say you know unfated yet and i think that's truly an interesting point is that

02:10:31.240 The idea of Orlog being passed down to us from birth, in an essence, it kind of starts with the formulation of the proto-folk, the Asken Umbla.

02:10:49.780 And so that breath and all of that starts the Orlog cycle.

02:10:54.020 And the naming, which is synonymous.

02:10:58.400 taking and this is is fundamental and we see it in our our naming right that we do to children

02:11:08.960 um but you can do this with an item i did this with relentless the afa sword at uh sigur bloat

02:11:17.600 affixing a name to something imbues it with a with an orlog with a hymenia with luck with a

02:11:29.440 sense of it being a separate being it not being a a thing but a

02:11:36.440 a named quantity and instead of a thing a someone and when you deal with objects obviously they're

02:11:47.980 not people nobody thinks that it's exactly the same it's not but the idea of affixing a name

02:11:54.340 to it makes it a separated thing from the world it's not

02:12:00.740 a sword it's not this sword it's not that sword this is relentless like these are not

02:12:08.240 just logs that came up on the seashore they're this they're that the other okay from this point

02:12:15.100 on this is ask this is embla and these are the gifts that we've given them at the time of their

02:12:22.320 naming and they bestowed gifts upon them at the point of their name and that's something that we

02:12:28.780 try to do in a way as well in our in our baby naming ritual

02:12:40.220 and i think it's um just noting on pronunciation anytime you see the o with two dots that's

02:12:47.420 starting to get replaced by an o with a small tail in a lot of the um translations but the

02:12:55.820 best way to think of it is when you see that o it's kind of an it's like sought it's an a u or

02:13:02.940 an o u sound so or and then when we talk about log we say like or log but or law because the g

02:13:13.980 is probably very very soft and throated so it again kind of correlates to er primordial law

02:13:24.540 but you know our law lawsa um again they may have throated the g a little bit more

02:13:35.260 old norse than they do in modern icelandic but it means primordial law or fate as that's often

02:13:44.220 translated. And from 17 to 18, there's again a great amount in talking about what makes Asken

02:13:56.860 Ambla and the proto-folk different is that they're given gifts that inexorably connect them to the

02:14:04.620 gods. And in a way, this is the dynamicism of Lord Odin. The tripartite unto himself,

02:14:17.800 the dynamic creator comes down, able to move between heaven and earth in, you know, and

02:14:24.760 manifest that kind of uh threshold and in doing so then taking um uh shape of and giving fate to

02:14:36.880 that which is unshaped and unfaded um and i i also joke not joke per se but in my stories i talk

02:14:45.700 about how the vana gods here in the middle realize that someone of great power has been

02:14:52.920 in the middle when they see this change, because it's often referred to that the Vanir are the

02:15:00.100 older gods or old gods. And then in essence, denoting that the folk, when they are created by

02:15:08.740 the Aesir, given that fate, they leave, they go back to the gods. And so they're left in the 0.97

02:15:16.560 middle to achieve, to, you know, make greatness. And perhaps the first mighty powers that they

02:15:24.280 interact with is the Vanir. And it is then later that the Aesir become known and prevalent, 0.81

02:15:33.340 the idea, the expanding, that which is above. So the first thing we learn is the powers of

02:15:39.000 natural law, the things that are inescapable, life, love, procreation, death, and legacy

02:15:47.940 of the cycles of life, hunting, eating, so on and so forth. It is then when the

02:15:55.400 Esir come in after that alignment that we begin to see greater understandings of things, 0.98

02:16:01.120 civilization law um you know things that we we attempt to create out of or possibly that are

02:16:10.400 intangible but yet you know we desire to make eternal so um they had not a soul they had not

02:16:22.960 um since they had not and again soul is interesting in there in the in the usage

02:16:30.000 because it's it's not it's breath the divine breath or the inspiration of breath uh obviously

02:16:36.080 if they direct translation they would have used the word sour but here they say owned

02:16:42.000 they did not have or uh bearing um they didn't have our heat nor motion nor goodly hue

02:16:54.000 so they're again lao lao ne leti ne leto goda so that they they are given

02:17:07.440 the the kind of correlation between will and physical movement are are seen in this is that

02:17:15.040 they have the ability to um move in accordance to their will and i think that's one key part

02:17:22.400 that i've always focused on is one of the things that truly makes us part of the gods is our

02:17:27.920 ability to transcribe describe or just even see ourselves in a place or future outside of our

02:17:38.560 fate that we can conceptualize because for most of the part we our understanding of animals is that

02:17:45.600 they in essence are built off of the reactions of other things they learn from their past and that

02:17:53.560 they don't conceptualize themselves obviously communication is a factor there um but the idea

02:17:59.260 is that most animals uh in studying learn from mistakes and that's an evolutionary thing in

02:18:07.740 which it's like oh i went down here and i got attacked i made it so now every time i go down

02:18:12.380 here, I'm going to be very, very cautious. Whereas for us, we can actually conceptualize

02:18:18.560 ourselves with thought. And so that's why in the Germanic language, you have the past, ran,

02:18:25.920 you have the present, run, and then you have the future, will, run. And it's such a uniquely

02:18:32.720 Germanic concept. The idea is that I will, I'm conceptualizing my will into an unknown fate.

02:18:42.380 And I think that's where things get really spicy and it's on purpose that the gods are talking about fate, but that humans are unique in their ability to kind of become nexuses of fate turning or perhaps vessels of dominion of the gods and that the gods can enact certain things through our being.

02:19:10.240 And so I think that plays out with asking the gods to witness us, to guide us, to give us wisdom and all of these things, as opposed to animals, which kind of, again, learn from the past and go forth in the present moment.

02:19:24.240 And that's a very kind of interesting part of that stanza 18.

02:19:32.100 and um they so they say heat

02:19:39.720 and i think that's interesting so um in the they talk about breath on the god

02:19:50.980 Odin. So breath

02:19:53.440 gives Odin.

02:19:55.320 Odh gav hyonur.

02:20:00.440 Odh

02:20:01.360 is like inspiration,

02:20:03.680 fury, and

02:20:04.900 the

02:20:06.760 buildup of things.

02:20:09.860 And lao is like

02:20:11.120 light

02:20:13.520 or color, as oftentimes

02:20:15.200 it's referred to as the coloring,

02:20:17.440 the lightness of

02:20:18.740 the eyes or the body

02:20:22.060 or just the color

02:20:23.420 and the shape

02:20:25.820 is another way

02:20:30.100 you can look at that in relation

02:20:32.260 to

02:20:32.740 I just found it interesting that Bellows used the word

02:20:36.080 heat

02:20:36.820 and I think that has more along

02:20:42.080 the lines of blood

02:20:43.160 blood and color

02:20:45.080 the willful manifestation

02:20:48.840 loather gave now uh i know right now some people are going to start to ask okay well we have odin

02:20:57.640 but what's up with uh hyoner and loather and the truth of this is is i i think that the audiences

02:21:05.240 of the our ancestors knew hyoner and loather as derivatives of villi and vey but that they

02:21:15.080 might have poetic meanings in correlation to what they're doing right now because remember

02:21:22.040 when we talk about sense hyonur is again the idea of um the formulation of sense

02:21:29.800 loether it has to do with again heat or formulation of of uh and so i think that

02:21:37.080 these are just derivatives or perhaps names that correlate specifically to

02:21:43.080 and that's why i oftentimes refer to lord odin as the tripartite of he is one but when he manifests

02:21:55.740 his will to an end he is three again that dynamic number um and so he is the three but the three are

02:22:05.740 him and they're enacting themselves on different levels whether and it's like the upper middle and

02:22:12.520 kind of lower level. It's the cosmic breath of life. It is the shaping or formulation and then

02:22:21.500 it too is like the color and the material, the substance of. And so it creates this strata once

02:22:29.500 again, which is hugely important, especially to most Aryan stories.

02:22:35.280 and we have we have a little bit of talk about that in the chat room while we're on the side

02:22:45.380 um romage says uh goodly hue question mark or divine color uh litugotha is more our ethnic

02:22:56.580 appearance i'd say lao heat or blue veins like the blues like a blue stream lao like

02:23:05.120 laogues, fate effectors, color that makes sense, still ethnic-related, blue-blooded Aryans.

02:23:14.540 I don't see the connection with blue so much. I do see the connections with life. And at this point, 0.54

02:23:22.780 I don't...

02:23:23.240 first, I don't disagree. I'm certainly as racially aware as everybody in the chat. I get it.

02:23:36.720 But that wasn't a necessary distinction to make when this was being written down. There wasn't a

02:23:42.400 lot of other groups of people to juxtapose ourselves to. One of the things that you see

02:23:50.260 with all of these things is the difference between the living and the dead mankind is different from

02:23:57.940 dead things because and you're right it does absolutely relate to the blood but to the blood

02:24:04.900 in the sense that it adds color one of the things and swan touched on this with blauen earlier when

02:24:11.140 talking about the dwarves blue was always associated with death um uh death blau uh the the

02:24:20.740 blue of of the corpse the difference is when a corpse has when a body has color

02:24:29.060 that's one of the ways that you know that it's living it's one of the things that you can kind

02:24:33.380 of see most you know most markedly in us and the paler our complexion is you see the difference

02:24:44.020 between you know blood in the cheeks and in the body or they've gone you know they've gone white

02:24:52.020 when the blood runs out or when the blood's drained so the idea of the life blood in it

02:24:58.260 making it vigorous making it life but also the will

02:25:04.260 and i mean animals have primitive will in a you know mate eat

02:25:14.660 you know friend or foe kind of thing but then the real thing

02:25:20.500 that breath of life the divine spark that odin gives is that which elevates us you know beyond

02:25:32.180 the dead things beyond the levels of living creatures into something that is more than the

02:25:40.000 rest of what occupies earth but less than what the gods are but of something similar so that the

02:25:46.540 the warmth and, and the blood that fills the cheeks. And yeah, I see the comment there,

02:25:56.160 ready cheeks and the warmth associated then. That's what Lao represents. I think so. I think

02:26:01.720 that goes along with the idea of, of heat. It's like when you're checking somebody to see if

02:26:06.980 they are dead, these are the things you're checking for. In the colors, Fawn mentions,

02:26:11.600 you know, the light in your eyes, there's a spark in the eyes of something living that's not present

02:26:16.360 something's dead one of the things that's kind of colloquially colloquially remarked

02:26:23.920 when you look at a corpse

02:26:29.380 the the spark of life and the that the um twinkle in the eye isn't there when you look at a living

02:26:39.160 person there's something in the eye that we pick up on in a very primal way and and I think this

02:26:46.060 again really beautiful imagery that this puts out on what animating these you know ask and embla these

02:26:53.820 these driftwood pieces

02:26:58.460 the trance the transforming them from dead to living to

02:27:02.700 being full of life and divine spark i think is a really special thing

02:27:06.620 well we find two there's a mention in stanza eight about the the um from far away the giant

02:27:22.100 maidens three huge of might out of jotunheim come and then there's kind of a switch and there may

02:27:26.780 have been an interpolation there but there's a clear and like a return to that or perhaps

02:27:33.660 you know, it was an understood kind of thing, you know, of what was mentioned before.

02:27:43.780 Let me see here, the double checking something.

02:27:51.600 Yeah, that, you know, it's coming again, a mentioning of the name, but let's first go into

02:28:00.860 an ash i know so again the the ask and umbler are umbler are given life and kind of set

02:28:12.500 out um and then it immediately cuts into an ash i know yggdrasil its name with water white

02:28:24.620 Is the great tree wet?

02:28:28.820 Thence come the dews that fall in the dales.

02:28:33.420 Green by earth's well, does it ever grow?

02:28:39.880 So a couple of things on this one.

02:28:43.280 Immediately the ash, the utilization of the ash.

02:28:47.360 Many of us could pick apart when we talk about the concepts of the axis mundi,

02:28:53.600 whether the axis mundi is like visualized in the center visualized in the upper and again never

02:28:59.900 really visualized in the lower at all because again the farther and lower things go

02:29:06.100 the dominion of cosmic order starts to dissipate and so what we find is the ash tree i think is

02:29:16.120 very significant to the norse the idea that the possible we talked about this with um with iwaz

02:29:23.480 the rune of the yew tree and the idea that the yew tree had great significance but i think that

02:29:29.800 the ash is specifically chosen because of the root system and the idea of how far spreading the root

02:29:36.740 system is um because that comes into such a great importance as we go but uh an ash i know

02:29:45.540 igdrasil it's name with water white um this is the the sprinkling of the water in relation to

02:29:54.740 when the norns are spoken of speak of of wetting the roots of the tree while in heaven they keep it

02:30:02.660 afresh and anew, and dew springs from its leaves. And we talk about this, and I kind of correlate

02:30:10.920 that when we talk about ascension and the soul returning, that root in the lower world,

02:30:19.300 in Verjelmer, that drawing up from the realm of where the folk soul is, is that the Yggdrasil is

02:30:27.980 kind of like an ordering system a way of um stratifying life and dominion in the realm of

02:30:36.400 the gods and they too can control that happening the nornir control it the gods control it

02:30:42.980 they oftentimes employ the that moment of when the when the dew falls from the tree as i

02:30:49.680 um talk of in relation to the idea of the returning of that soul might during from ascension

02:30:59.700 and so you know when then comes the dews that fall in the dales and then uh this is also

02:31:07.560 referring to just the the moisture of actual dew and it it's mentioned that it's the the spittle of

02:31:16.640 um nani's um horse who is unnamed um a lot of people get it confused with rimfaxi which is

02:31:26.720 poetically connected to uh not the uh um heavenly warden of night um but she uh so in this part you

02:31:39.440 know they're kind of again making reference to the the moisture and the life and the the things that

02:31:45.120 grow and the things that manifest without being seen it's it's very kind of akin to

02:31:51.840 the power of things being unseen and then becoming tangible and there it is kept evergreen

02:32:02.000 at others brunni erds well and it's mentioned again in the in the guild forgetting is

02:32:09.040 where that is is in heaven so thus the base of the tree in the center is it's the center of the

02:32:18.760 center it's the middle of heaven and that is entirely connected to everything that goes around

02:32:27.640 it including the middle and the lower and this is where we get into having to extend things too far

02:32:32.680 at some point it because it is not a literal tree at some point you can

02:32:44.520 freak out about literalities of things because it does serve as a connection between all the

02:32:51.720 different worlds but the idea that it's tended it's watered and it's rooted in the divine

02:32:58.360 is very important and that it's rooted in the upper and that that goes to these other worlds

02:33:05.400 is is meaningful in and of itself but the more you try to force it into being a literal tree

02:33:12.840 and you start wondering why some pieces are in different places i think you end up doing a

02:33:20.280 disservice if you're not the things that they specifically mention their locations

02:33:28.360 They're specifically making that point for a reason, and that's the things to focus on, I believe.

02:33:37.300 And yeah, that divineness of being the upper and the things that disseminate to the middle and to the lower for reasons and the movements.

02:33:45.940 And we see that a lot in other Aryan stories and mythoses. Again, the striker in manifestation never steps into the underworld unless it's bad or the end of things, but is fighting things coming out of the earth, the chthonic serpent, if you will.

02:34:07.040 So I think a lot of the desperation towards, you know, making the roots in the lower, all of the roots in the lower loses the entire point of understanding that Yggdrasil is in the upper and manifests much of its power in the whole dynamic of the Nornir and the gods and the counseling seats and the, you know, the watering of the roots is that all of that descends down from the upper world. 0.54

02:34:33.800 And I think that that is, you know, very Aryan if we're talking about the gods of Olympus or, you know, high upon the crags and their fate is kind of, you know, disseminated out or that they gather to witness these things. 0.57

02:34:51.020 And I think you could make an argument that perhaps Snorri is pulling from Hellenistic ideas.

02:34:56.900 I mean, he clearly does numerous times throughout most of the poems, but it's not super clear.

02:35:04.380 And yet, at the same time, because they are branched families of the Europeans, you know, there's clear parallelisms that are throughout because of the way things are structured.

02:35:19.440 So you can't really, you know, I think split hairs, but I think it's, again, more important to understand where things are and why things are there, as opposed to trying to conceptualize that it's standing on four pillars or there's a table or.

02:35:35.460 Well, something else that I think is important and meaningful is you can't – a lot of people will approach our lore and Ausitru generally as some kind of a literary extrapolation.

02:36:02.760 And so they're treating these things as elements in a story as opposed to an expression of divine truth.

02:36:20.620 And the difference may not seem as obvious, but going from the mundane and the debased and trying to

02:36:50.620 build our gods from it is very different and leads to very different conclusions

02:36:59.900 than taking actual gods that exist in the higher in the the astral and trying to understand them

02:37:13.460 So trying to project our stuff onto the gods may in a lot of ways look similar, but the details are really different.

02:37:28.600 When we're trying to go from human baseness and project the gods out from that, it's very different than taking the gods for who the gods are and trying to understand them as best we can.

02:37:43.020 trying to reach up towards them as opposed to trying to bring them down to our level

02:37:48.060 and that's a really fundamental difference if you approach our lore as if it's you know

02:37:56.300 comic book characters written by you know ancient proto stan lee it's a very different thing than

02:38:05.100 trying to realize that our ancestors were trying to express higher truths of the gods

02:38:16.860 in a way that would make sense to folk and with imagery that people would understand

02:38:22.940 and just thinking about that as a touchstone every time something doesn't make sense or every time

02:38:30.060 you want to make a leap err on the side of trying to understand the gods as opposed to

02:38:35.740 trying to project a story and i think it would it would help a lot

02:38:49.420 well and uh to go into the etymology a little bit i saw on the on the side here

02:38:53.580 here. Yggdrasil, the horse of Odin. Again, the Yggr is why GGR is one of the Haiti of Lord Odin,

02:39:08.160 and it means the terrible or the awesome, the kind of fear or emotional responding sense of like

02:39:18.940 that you're dealing with something of great power.

02:39:23.260 And Dressil is kind of a combination of thrumming or repetition

02:39:30.960 or hoof beats, if you will,

02:39:34.700 and the idea that Yggdrasil is being referred to as Odin's horse.

02:39:40.980 And that is clearly in correlation to Odin upon Yggdrasil in heaven attaining the runes and traveling beyond the reaches of even the gods and finding out things of great importance beyond even some of their capabilities.

02:40:03.220 And so it's like his riding of the horse. I think that's really important as to another reason why Yggdrasil is this place, this center point of heaven becomes a focal point for the gods to commit their acts of regency over things in the middle, but also what they're doing in the upper.

02:40:27.760 Some of the stuff that they're doing there

02:40:30.400 Involves again

02:40:32.180 Learning and growing and encapsulating

02:40:34.340 Ideas

02:40:34.960 Yeah

02:40:38.700 But they brought up a point

02:40:41.380 Is Yggdrasil

02:40:43.020 The folk or the soul

02:40:46.300 Of the folk

02:40:46.940 I think that we can start to look at the analogous

02:40:50.640 Of is Baldur the folk soul

02:40:52.820 Is Yggdrasil the folk soul

02:40:54.460 I think one of the key things about

02:40:56.340 Yggdrasil is that it's deeply rooted in the primordial and the unknown even to the point 0.63

02:41:02.340 where the death of a Asa on the tree allows him to infuse his soul into the reaches of where it goes

02:41:13.240 is kind of what is being played out there is the idea that Odin and Yggdrasil become one and the

02:41:20.940 roots so deep and the roots so far and the mysteries of it so unknown that it that he sees

02:41:28.340 the orchestrated beginning of all elements coming together well i'd like to just kind of touch on

02:41:36.240 something on the side too that i think is really relevant and we're laying down a lot of foundational

02:41:41.120 things in this episode and i think that's appropriate i know it's taken us a while to get

02:41:45.920 through a relatively small amount of text but it's not text it's text explaining you know

02:41:54.080 the fundamentals of existence so i think it's really important um real mage is over in the chat

02:42:05.120 taking some

02:42:05.920 far extrapolations and i want to comment on that because i don't

02:42:16.480 i think we just need to be clear in our heads um

02:42:27.040 recognizing commonality in things that you've experienced in things in your life

02:42:33.920 in things in history with pieces of our lord is completely and totally legitimate appropriate and

02:42:42.960 we all should do that there is a difference between that and supposing that that was the intent

02:42:51.840 of the writer of the poetry if that makes sense so for example you um vromage made a point about

02:43:03.920 um shoot now it's lost back in the thing i gotta scroll back but basically uh about yggdrasil

02:43:14.000 and how that's an ash and ask also means ash so maybe yggdrasil is ask from the earlier stanza

02:43:25.520 as in the folk soul of our people that odin can work through and do stuff

02:43:29.520 that doesn't have to have been the intent of the poet to be a meaningful revelation

02:43:39.200 that certainly is referred to that odin rides through the souls of men he rides through our

02:43:47.620 souls through our dreams he animates our souls we see that reinforced in our work time and time

02:43:53.900 again and if that's a poetic way that's meaningful to you to illustrate that or personify that that's

02:44:00.620 completely appropriate i don't think we see that as a as a textural thing there but we certainly

02:44:06.460 see that when we talk about odin literally breathing inspiration and the breath of life

02:44:11.260 into our ancestor the what kind of tree people are made out of versus the same kind of tree as

02:44:19.980 as yggdrasil becomes a redundancy at that point so any of these things if they're inspiring

02:44:28.460 meaningful thoughts to you cool just like the thing i said about the blueness of you know aryan

02:44:34.700 nobility having blue blood and this and that no i don't think that's what the text was saying

02:44:39.660 because there was no context for it there is context for it now and there is context for it

02:44:44.780 in your life certainly the whole point is the creation of us and because we're a folk faith

02:44:51.820 not the creation of other groups of people other races of people but ours so if you associate

02:44:59.260 distinctively you know aryan qualities to that after the fact that's also completely legitimate

02:45:08.780 and i'm i don't mean to take away from that at all so please don't get that from anything that

02:45:13.500 that i'm saying in response to your questions

02:45:18.060 and that that kind of brings back to what you were saying about the perennial truth

02:45:22.700 and kind of also what i was saying is that the intention of the audience at the time and the

02:45:28.140 speaker of the time also has layers that are relevant to even us today in relation to the

02:45:36.060 the way that we perceive them again the ash of ask and embla and then the ash of igdrasil and

02:45:43.380 then to odin being the bear the giver of the soul and also bearing upon it odr or inspiration that

02:45:51.140 has a lot of power it's legitimate connecting again and i think that's some of the stuff that

02:45:58.500 is really good about our lore is that our lore isn't in like completely it's everyone's arguing

02:46:06.620 over the translations in christianity because it's supposed to be infallible and uh beyond

02:46:13.280 uh reproach but yet you have all of these kind of uh you know translations whereas ours comes

02:46:20.800 off as it is a perennial truth story uh that has its merit in many different ways for many

02:46:29.960 different reasons and that's i think an honest approach to metanarratives that some other

02:46:35.680 religions don't uh take on so there's one more question that's relating to this stanza so i want

02:46:43.900 hit that before we move on um also from vroomage uh horse and drums question mark germanic shamanism

02:46:53.180 question mark what our word was for that whatever our word was for that

02:47:01.340 do you have anything to add on that i really from where i'm sitting don't other than i know

02:47:08.540 that the horse is a common drum motif that i've seen and i don't know how modern or ancient that

02:47:15.580 is well and that's kind of i'm kind of doing something in relation to that i i'm i'm uh

02:47:24.060 i'm looking i'm looking at i'm looking it up because i was i was thinking like man we

02:47:31.100 of course we compound words i talked about compounding words and splitting things up so

02:47:35.820 So, you know, looking up Drazil by itself is an interesting point to kind of see if there's anything in relation.

02:47:46.960 It's not always the case, but I was looking for it, and, you know, I'm in Draumer.

02:47:55.180 I'm in the dreams right now.

02:47:59.320 I just want to say that's the point of connectivity.

02:48:01.540 um again i don't think that's what's put forward by the by the poem but i do think okay so

02:48:10.900 i'm gonna go on i'm gonna go on a tangent here and uh as a as a favor to spawn while he does

02:48:19.140 his research but not really i think i want to wax poetic on this and i'm

02:48:25.860 for Cayman Jack's Inn.

02:48:29.600 So one of the things to think about

02:48:36.380 is how divine truth was given to our ancestors.

02:48:41.360 It's a process, and we don't have the story in our lore,

02:48:46.520 nor do we claim to,

02:48:47.900 that, you know, Odin visited Olaf in a cave

02:48:56.080 and magically inspired him to write down something.

02:49:02.440 You know, Sven didn't go up on a mountain somewhere

02:49:06.960 and Odin, like, write stuff himself on some tablets and give it to him.

02:49:13.720 we don't have that moment in our lore and i don't it's because that's not how it's worked for our

02:49:22.640 folk realistically when and and that's the thing is tracing it back in your head when did that

02:49:29.400 happen where did this originally come from very likely these stories evolved over time

02:49:38.940 as truths were unveiled to ancient Gothar over periods of time,

02:49:47.880 through inspiration, through dreams, through visions,

02:49:54.180 through moments of divine clarity.

02:49:59.060 Because it's not...

02:50:00.940 there's probably some really fancy seminary terms for this that i don't have there's a difference

02:50:11.540 between something that a god wrote versus something that a god dictated exactly versus

02:50:18.980 something that was inspired from the gods our lore is certainly inspired from the gods

02:50:26.060 but as has always been the case

02:50:28.740 and as is the case

02:50:30.640 this evening

02:50:31.440 Gothar of our folk

02:50:33.720 guided by

02:50:36.580 their experience

02:50:37.680 by their interactions with the gods

02:50:40.360 by piety

02:50:41.260 have

02:50:42.860 compiled things

02:50:46.140 and built upon things

02:50:47.820 to illustrate truths

02:50:50.360 that have proven themselves

02:50:52.620 self-evident in the souls

02:50:54.660 of our leaders since the dawn of time and i think that that's true and be in it's perennial to us in

02:51:03.540 the sense that it recurs we see these things happening a lot of times when you see coincidence

02:51:09.860 and synchronicities happening they're not just random they're reflections of inherent truths

02:51:19.060 that maybe get discovered in different ways or at different times

02:51:23.860 but finding these points of connectivities and i think the idea of horses on

02:51:31.700 on drums when you're doing a shamanic as it's called sometimes faring forth experience to

02:51:39.060 travel to the worlds i think that harkens back to that fundamental truth in a different way

02:51:46.900 but I don't think it was the intention per se of the poet who compiled this but

02:51:55.360 these things come up again and again because the truth speaks in our folk

02:51:59.680 soul and our gods speak to us some of us can hear them clearer than others

02:52:05.400 sometimes they speak to certain people louder than they speak to others but

02:52:10.340 it's a living relationship yeah i'm still uh i went through the uh

02:52:27.620 old norse dictionary and i went through some other another old book that i have here on

02:52:32.420 old icelandic and um i'm not finding it so that's interesting i really want to see that

02:52:38.260 that etymology and make sure because you know in reference to the horse when you go online but

02:52:44.580 sometimes looking in and double checking multiple sources could be again uh analogous of something

02:52:52.900 else um you know uh it's interesting when you look up like the yew tree versus uh the terrible

02:53:04.340 one versus things that are folded all of them have very similar uh linguistic structures so

02:53:11.700 it's like i'm always like kind of double checking triple checking to make sure and i haven't quite

02:53:17.700 gotten it so i'm gonna have to look up that more as we go especially just about the etymology but

02:53:25.460 But I couldn't find anything simply as Drassil.

02:53:29.180 So, but let's see.

02:53:32.340 We are on stanza 20.

02:53:38.400 Three maidens, thence comes the maidens, mighty in wisdom.

02:53:46.100 Three from the dwelling down underneath the tree.

02:53:51.880 Earth is one named.

02:53:53.380 and oh well i'll say the whole stanza and then i'll get to that earth is one named verdandi the

02:53:59.460 next on the wood they scored and scald the third laws they made there and life allotted

02:54:09.300 to the sons of men and set their fates so one of the things that i think is really important to

02:54:17.860 understand in those first two lines is the dwelling beneath the tree i believe is when the

02:54:24.100 nornir set themselves up in heaven when they set themselves at the base of the tree there it's kind

02:54:31.540 of hinting towards the idea that they they live underneath it like under perhaps like in a a cave

02:54:40.420 or a housing structure of sorts underneath the splitting roots they have set themselves up there

02:54:48.340 because they're already mentioned before in verse eight but now we're starting to see that they have

02:54:53.860 established themselves there um and who exactly they are is what we're going into now so you know

02:55:02.660 uh earth named is one so earth is of course it's the the primordial start the old of things and i

02:55:18.820 think that really correlates again to fate and time and how weird orlog and the marking of time

02:55:26.820 The marking of time is really just chronologically measuring fate or destiny or that which is coming into being.

02:55:42.920 Time, in a way, is very much the verdhandi of all that has happened in the past.

02:55:48.060 And those two create the debt.

02:55:53.080 Skold is debt.

02:55:56.820 a price to be paid. In essence, that our deeds create a result and those results

02:56:05.460 correlate to other things. And eventually, you know, it's, it's kind of, again, a building of

02:56:10.960 it. I think that I can't remember who stated it, but they were, they were talking about weird as

02:56:17.160 like, if you, if you ride a horse, then you're more likely to fall than someone who never rides

02:56:23.680 a horse. And so the understanding of it is, is the deeds you commit, the life you live,

02:56:31.120 the people you surround yourself with allocate you towards destinies and what that can bear

02:56:37.360 forth. So if you surround yourself with, you know, failure or misery or depression or what

02:56:44.880 have you, then the outcomes of, of that fate and that destiny is often what, you know,

02:56:51.460 that's what kind of fruits will that bear? And so, um, this is, uh, I know how I take this kind

02:57:00.680 of this stanzas about the setting, the fates of men. Um, some people, this is the one that really

02:57:07.440 gets people into the argument of free will versus destiny or fatalism. And, um, uh, I think some

02:57:15.760 fatalists believe that will is again in essence just a smaller part of the overall measurement

02:57:24.660 of everything um the inevitable as it is to come um but it is worth noting that by name alone earth

02:57:32.500 is the old other verdandi is that which is coming into being right now so kind of like a it's not

02:57:42.320 present it's seen as coming out of everything that has happened before it and then scold is

02:57:50.960 not the future it's the debt of your deeds so she is you know mother scold is as the the the um

02:58:00.960 the plots on the unknown that you end up weaving towards and i think that's really their true power

02:58:09.140 um and the the laws uh again their law law there they laid the laws and i'm again i think this is

02:58:23.400 a point of cosmic order i know we're using uh romanish words or latinish words but i think

02:58:31.520 that that's where we're talking about the laws of everything descending from the upper realm

02:58:36.020 So naturally, everything's going to gravitate towards either being in alignment or opposed to the central axis of the gods.

02:58:43.600 so one of the other things that i think is fundamental

02:58:48.480 the concept of a debt created by action certainly and also just

02:58:56.880 the name should you know not what's going to happen but what is projected

02:59:04.160 by the first two of the Nornir.

02:59:14.140 What came before what is currently happening as a result

02:59:19.140 and where that's headed.

02:59:22.600 And I think that there is profound currents

02:59:26.420 set into play by actions that lead towards

02:59:29.820 a certain fate or a certain destiny,

02:59:33.040 me. But again, if we, and this goes back to a similar thing, and I'm not expressing it as

02:59:42.880 cleanly as I'd like. Oh, fate. Well, what that means is I don't have free will and you don't

02:59:50.420 have choice and everything's just predestined. Therefore, our ancestors must have believed that

02:59:56.180 doesn't make any sense, but they must do because that's what the word means. Therefore, that's how

03:00:01.680 these silly ancient people did religion instead if we understand that our ancestors are real 0.91

03:00:12.480 people practicing an actual faith that exists that makes sense human beings 0.96

03:00:20.020 know that doesn't make sense they realize that free will has to have an interplay

03:00:27.820 it's preposterous to think otherwise no one has ever thought otherwise different groups of i say

03:00:37.760 that some some christian groups have thought otherwise because they've had to do the mental

03:00:45.000 gymnastics i talked to i talked about at the beginning of the show

03:00:48.380 but we all know that free will plays a role

03:00:53.340 like you can do any experiment on your own right now just to like you know quick scratch your ear

03:01:01.500 ah did the norms decree that and it becomes silly very quickly but it doesn't when you look at the

03:01:08.720 idea of the directionality of what has happened leading to what is currently being experienced

03:01:17.120 And by those two combined, a projection towards a likely outcome if you stay that course.

03:01:27.620 Without free will, there's no real context to existence.

03:01:32.900 And there's certainly no such thing as heroism or cowardice if there's no free will.

03:01:37.460 And we know that both of those things were extremely important to our ancestors.

03:01:47.120 that i the the subject of of this of destiny and free will is an interesting one and i i really

03:01:59.920 love i also i yeah completely slipping my you know mind was yeah the the the should

03:02:09.280 scald that which is that that correlation between it's it's um verdandi is that the choke point

03:02:18.100 between all of the deeds that you're heading towards and all of the deeds that have passed

03:02:23.760 you and again that i think the component of that singular threshold that everything's passing

03:02:31.800 through is your your will which is given to us by the gods so well and one of the things that's

03:02:41.160 worth considering and i've talked about this a lot before when we've talked about um

03:02:49.160 weird and orlog as concepts

03:02:53.560 there are people who are dealt a really crappy hand

03:02:56.920 their ancestors have laid down terrible things in well various other things have happened to where

03:03:06.400 they you know are crippled either in mind or in body or born into a terrible family or an

03:03:13.840 impoverished horrible situation they are directed towards failure and inglorious nothingness and

03:03:23.380 worthlessness if they are able to overcome that current through heroic action and through will

03:03:32.560 to power to make themselves something better that is heroic and worthy of saga and that leaves a

03:03:39.160 better or log for their descendants that presents itself due to that situation we typically think

03:03:47.200 of destiny as something great that you're destined towards and I I wish that for all of our folk but

03:03:53.080 that's not the case there's some and we've seen this this is one of the biggest things

03:03:59.000 that rankles me um one

03:04:08.120 one gift that's sometimes a curse i suppose

03:04:14.600 that i have in some ways been blessed with in my experiences i'll tear you go for you is

03:04:19.480 is I can see potential in people and I can see where they might lead or what

03:04:34.360 sometimes I have a glimpse of a certain amount of greatness in certain people and to see people

03:04:45.340 not embrace their destiny when i know the potential is there is tragic to see people

03:04:54.060 that aren't necessarily destined for greatness overcome and make themselves amazing is really

03:05:02.100 awesome to see it's very difficult to watch people that you see a tremendous potential in

03:05:11.200 and then watch them squander it for a variety of reasons.

03:05:17.840 But I think we all see that sometimes to one degree or another.

03:05:21.840 We see somebody that has, that are on a trajectory towards greatness

03:05:27.460 that have, are just brimming forth with a quality

03:05:32.880 that you know is capable of such amazing things.

03:05:37.080 But especially in the world we live in, in the wolf age,

03:05:40.440 we see people get off track on that quite a bit and not get to achieve their destiny so

03:05:48.300 again there's a projected path and i've talked about this as a

03:05:54.120 fundamental to magic practice for a long time to attract synchronicities to you through consistent

03:06:03.680 right action aligns you with weird and aligns you with opportunities towards destiny. And if

03:06:12.020 your destiny is crap, then you want to look for opportunities to nudge that the right direction 0.98

03:06:20.060 and nudge that to something better. If your destiny is amazing, then you want to see when 0.98

03:06:26.020 those opportunities present themselves and capitalize with it. And that site, the ability

03:06:33.080 to see those moments and to seize them is a fundamental in somebody's um

03:06:41.240 magical efficacy of their might

03:06:56.520 so

03:06:57.080 this is something we are. So now we're at, we're on verse 20. We got the last

03:07:03.900 five as we're going to 25. So really starting to dial in. This is again,

03:07:10.620 the alignment between cosmic order and natural law and the great

03:07:20.440 interplay between, I think, chthonic forces of natural instinct versus loftier, more pronounced

03:07:34.620 ideas above, you know, the needs and desires of just the individual or the heart or the emotional

03:07:45.480 self um in stanza 21 uh the the war i remember the first in the world when the gods with spears 0.97

03:08:01.520 had smitten gold they gold lust or gold thirster and in the hall of whore had burned her whore 0.77

03:08:12.700 of course, being a, or Haur, is how it's, it says H-O-R, but it's not. It's Haur in the Old Norse, 0.98

03:08:21.100 H-A with a dash over it, R-S, Haur, the high one, Odin's Hall. Three times burned, three times

03:08:31.600 born, often again, yet ever she lives. So this is where we start to, again, in the Guilfaginning,

03:08:41.500 There's more of elaboration on this, but this is the point in which Golvay comes from the middle world up into the heavens.

03:08:55.020 and here she brings with her i i think the intent is absolutely to see if how the might of the gods

03:09:04.480 is and to not face the might of the gods in in uh war or in um testament of strength she's bringing

03:09:14.740 something else there's a cunning sense and again i think that interplays with an idea of chthonic

03:09:20.380 powers is that they have a tendency to work subtly and they don't work with will and they

03:09:26.040 don't work with might and they don't work. They work more through, again, a passiveness. And this

03:09:33.400 can apply in a lot of things. This could be the interplay between masculine manifestation and

03:09:38.960 feminine, I guess, manifestation, but through perhaps passive means. But there's also an

03:09:47.960 interplay between natural law and cosmic order. Natural law is cyclical. It's a wave. It's an up

03:09:54.360 and a down. There's cycles and circles. Cosmic order, I always kind of associated with either

03:10:00.180 being more like a pillar or like an arch. And the idea of the eternal either holding its position

03:10:06.600 or arcing over the waves of time. And so that's really what is kind of coming into the interplay

03:10:14.960 here. And of course, they're making clear, you know, points of interest, especially with the

03:10:22.320 being thrice born of the fire, burned, pierced by the spears, because if anyone's familiar with

03:10:29.340 the story, and that's another thing worth noting, is the Volospow is referencing other poems

03:10:36.320 constantly. I don't know. I mean, obviously, we've said this a couple times, but I guess it's

03:10:41.100 make it clear and so it is a condensed version with leanings towards and was referred to often

03:10:49.260 in like the guild beginning where they would say a stanza from the from another poem um and this

03:10:56.620 really did create an interplay or a network of poetry um that allowed poets to kind of

03:11:04.060 of pull from other things, or in essence, kind of force them to learn more than just the one,

03:11:10.740 one thing, because they were all kind of intertwined and, and didn't really stand on

03:11:16.000 their own. But here we have, as she, you know, she comes into the halls of the gods, she comes

03:11:26.900 into the hall of, of, uh, Haur, the high one. Um, you know, she's branded on spears. She's,

03:11:36.380 she's, uh, thrown into the fire and she's born a new, she becomes, she goes through this process

03:11:44.520 and then she is known by her, her heighty then is, is, uh, he, the shining one. Um,

03:11:52.260 And here is it. It's truly interesting. I love this. This verse is heath. They named her who sought their home, the wide seeing which in magic wise minds she bewitched that were moved by her magic to evil women, a joy she was.

03:12:15.700 so one of the things that's really interesting is they call her heave and um again the process

03:12:25.320 of the of the burning but it's worth knowing too that like um the uh the volu or the she's a volva

03:12:35.700 is well, she is well-versed and wide-seeing of many things. She's wise, or vithihon ganda,

03:12:46.860 ganda is magic. It's like, it's, it's, yeah, that understanding. She is

03:12:54.800 a friend of those who are of the mind of like ill or towards what I think is really being

03:13:06.840 portrayed here is the difference between creating willful manifestation and deed to people who seek

03:13:13.560 to kind of hedge things in their favor. And that is, again, I think very, very allegoric to

03:13:21.660 Golvey and process of greed, the idea of the, the bending and shaping towards your fortune or

03:13:29.160 your favor in your way. And I think again, to, to contextualize, um, uh, like her two evil women,

03:13:45.560 Um, it's mentioned in the, in the old Norse, uh, translation is 1.00

03:13:51.700 and so it's, again, that's not the, uh, cause horn is, is, is women, but, uh, like she 0.96

03:14:06.340 bewitches or turns people's minds towards things they they seek to gain and again through perhaps 0.99

03:14:16.700 deception or turning fate to hedge fortune towards you without manifesting i think is um

03:14:24.240 what is ultimately being said but it's going through the mode of witchcraft and and women

03:14:31.500 doing things in this kind of more mystical or what we often joke around and say is like the

03:14:36.940 the uh you know the the hoodoo or the women the women's spooky girl magic spooky girl magic that's

03:14:45.260 it spooky girl magic um is i think the direct reference that they're pulled towards but i i

03:14:53.100 really find a lot of connection between gold vey in the the lusting for gold or the thirsting for

03:15:00.460 gold. And that this is kind of referencing towards the usage of spinning fate to turn

03:15:09.280 towards benefit without manifesting by will. And that's what seems to be kind of laid out

03:15:15.800 in these stanzas as they juxtapose each other. There are people that mark the fates. The fates

03:15:23.080 of man are marked by their deeds. But Golvey is often sought for those who do not wish to

03:15:28.940 manifest their deeds. They, they attempt to twist things in their favor. Um, 0.93

03:15:36.540 um, yeah. And then, so this next part is, is interesting because we speak of in verse 23,

03:15:47.260 on the host, his spear did Othyn hurl. So I, I, um, I think this, this one is really interesting

03:16:00.120 in that he, as the Lord Othyn throwing his spear over the army, they're referencing now the battle

03:16:11.380 that becomes of this in other, in the other, um, stories and in the guild forgetting, we understand

03:16:16.900 that with Golvey being slain three times and then she flees the hall, it's then that the gods of

03:16:29.200 above realize that this act is not going to be met kindly by the Vanir. And this, I think, 0.93

03:16:38.320 really does start to show some of the kind of political machinations that our ancestors at

03:16:45.260 the time would really understand is you know this this um person comes in they cause a lot of trouble

03:16:50.800 and you deal with that person and then you have to deal with the repercussions again because they

03:16:57.660 don't know uh the reasons why you did it or perhaps they they do know you you at this point

03:17:05.700 it's like well we've committed to this now is the time for war and i think this is ultimately um

03:17:11.840 that alignment of cosmic uh order and and natural law is inevitable actions that bear forth

03:17:21.080 what is to come um so you know over over the uh the host odin throws his spear and i think this

03:17:31.180 is again to a reference to um the idea of throwing a spear at your enemies and saying that you know

03:17:37.360 the victory, the gods of victory, the God of victory, uh, and your souls are, you know,

03:17:43.160 they're owned, um, by him. And I think that was a practice that was probably known well,

03:17:51.680 but especially by the upper crust of society who fought the wars, the, uh, the nobility were

03:17:57.660 expected to, you know, show up on the battlefields. And I think that in a lot of ways, these poems

03:18:02.620 are directed greatly towards them and this was clearly a sign that a war was about to begin

03:18:09.420 and um uh so odin hurls his his spear over the the vanir as they come and uh the wall that is

03:18:21.840 you know girdles the the god's home is broken so you know then in the world did the first war come

03:18:28.260 the wall that girdled the gods was broken, and the field by the warlike wanes was trodden.

03:18:35.020 Now, it's worth noting to the vanir, the wanes, they use the word wane, which is really, really 0.69

03:18:40.300 cool. It's an old English word, and it means, again, denoting towards natural law, cycles,

03:18:47.060 the rise, and ultimately the fall, this cyclical nature of growing big and receding, or going

03:18:54.040 forward and falling back or going up and going down the vanir the name of the vanir is the

03:19:00.520 waning ones or the ones that wane they go up they come down they they go out they come in

03:19:06.200 everything is cyclical in their relation and so the idea is outside of ausgard in the fields

03:19:14.060 in the world outside there is a great war outside of that place again kind of noting to the idea

03:19:22.140 that heaven is more than just Ausgar, and that the gods battle with them, and the walls of

03:19:31.640 the heavenly abode of the gods is broken. And of course, this, again, leads towards another

03:19:39.940 story of the rebuilding of the walls. But it's interesting. So in verse 24,

03:19:50.500 then sought the gods, their assembly seats, the holy ones, and counsel held whether the gods

03:19:58.500 should tribute give or to all alike should worship belong. That I think is really interesting

03:20:07.000 because this again starts the spread of the unification of the Vanir and the Esir

03:20:16.200 become known as a singular entity at this point.

03:20:23.980 Of course, we know the stories of the tribute

03:20:25.880 and of Mimir and his head being lost

03:20:29.680 and placed in the, or, you know,

03:20:31.540 being severed and placed in the well and all of that.

03:20:34.420 But this one, I think, too, contextualizes it really well.

03:20:38.360 The gods gathered a council.

03:20:39.940 And I think this is more also to referring

03:20:42.160 to the Vanir and the Esir coming to a peace council, realizing that either side needs to be

03:20:50.000 aligned, not oversought to each other. And when they do so, they create the whole of the gods

03:20:58.080 that we as folk honor. And it's clearly seen from there on out. It's mentioned numerous times in

03:21:04.160 which Freyja is referred to as a Vanadis, but then Freyja is also referred to as the brightest

03:21:11.840 or most beloved of the ouse so that the word and usage of of um gods or god is given to both but i

03:21:23.760 think it's worth noting that if you think of the vanir as the waning ones it shows which

03:21:31.040 correlation of power they come from do they come from natural law or do they come from cosmic order

03:21:38.920 And I think that's a better way of looking at them and how they come into alignment together.

03:21:49.360 That's something that's confusing to a lot of people.

03:21:52.120 I had a guy I was speaking to just the other day ask me about that.

03:21:57.800 um people think that there is a distinction between isir and vanir and

03:22:10.600 there's no real evidence that that was ever the case in the historical period pretty much as soon

03:22:17.160 as they are mentioned they talk about this war it is resolved and from that point on

03:22:24.440 their their icier that

03:22:30.280 but it's enough to cause confusion because again again i think people

03:22:39.720 are reading it as a

03:22:46.840 work of fiction i think cheapens it but they're exploring it as a literary

03:22:52.920 pursuit and not a religious pursuit and i think those are two really different ways to try to

03:22:58.440 make sense of the story the truth here isn't about you know

03:23:08.920 woodsy old wise gods fighting shiny new you know

03:23:14.360 aryan horse lords and like how that works out no the truth is about as swan has mentioned many times

03:23:26.440 tonight about the reconciling between cosmic order and natural law and how they fit

03:23:35.800 and merge with one another to form an ordered existence

03:23:44.360 Now, there is something that we see again that happens a lot in the Volespao is that the beginning verses of sections of the poem begin to repeat.

03:24:02.920 And again, that was part of the tempo, if you will, the music of the poem.

03:24:12.620 And so a lot of times you will see, like, then the gods sought their assembly seats, then sought the gods their assembly seats, or, you know, at Nipah's cave, Garmir sits at Nipah's cave.

03:24:27.600 There's this repetitive sense, and again, I think that it's worth for the readers to know that it's greatly about setting a tone.

03:24:39.160 It doesn't always translate out in the Old Norse, but the idea of it repeating itself in order to gain that semblance of tempo is important.

03:24:51.480 And, you know, it says, you know, then sought the gods, their assembly seats, the holy ones and council held to find who with venom the air had filled or or had given Freya to the giants.

03:25:06.580 And so there is a lot of arguments around the idea that there may have been something lost or there might have been a line that didn't quite translate here very well in relation to a story of Freyja being taken by the Jotnar as opposed to being threatened to be taken.

03:25:34.260 and that there might be, I'm not saying a mistranslation,

03:25:42.000 but a contexting that's kind of wrong or out of place here.

03:25:46.500 Either there's a story that perhaps did exist in which Freyja was taken by Jotnar,

03:25:53.780 but we do have, of course, the story of Idun or Iduna being taken.

03:25:58.840 But in this case, Oath's Bride is very specific towards the relation of Freyja.

03:26:05.460 And we know in the Gilfogining that one of the key components of the unification of the gods is that Njordr and his children, the lord and the lady, come with him to the gods. 0.94

03:26:21.360 And there comes in the peril of the Yotnar trying to, again, remove the linchpin of natural law in order to disrupt and change things. 0.91

03:26:33.260 And I, this one, as far as context is always, I'm still, you know, chewing this one up, if you will, in relation to perhaps they're referring to, again, the wall. 0.95

03:26:51.920 And one of the prices that the Jotunar, who is not known as a Jotun yet, is he asks for the spark or the sun and the spark of Muspelheim and the moon and Freyja.

03:27:12.960 And so, you know, this part here is to find with, I guess, I don't know, it's intent or malice, if you will, I guess would be another good version of this, to find with malice the one that stole Freya.

03:27:40.140 But to what story that might be alluding to is still kind of up to debate.

03:27:49.080 And I hate to end it on that one being, you know, again, but stanza 26, which we'll go into next time, is making, again, reference to the rebuilding of heaven,

03:28:06.180 rebuilding the walls, rebuilding the heavenly might after the war and this peace that is made.

03:28:14.760 But it doesn't go into great detail because clearly she's, the Vola is stating her knowledge,

03:28:23.040 letting Lord Odin know that she has seen all things or has seen how things have come to pass.

03:28:30.600 So she's still in the state of establishing her power and lore.

03:28:35.320 And ultimately, what this is, is allowing the poet to go through and quickly kind of reference other parts of the stories as they go.

03:28:47.760 All right. Well, that is what it is.

03:28:55.840 And I think that, you know, being honest is better than not being.

03:29:00.240 um it's odd and it's mentioned as being odd in most you know even early notes on the text

03:29:09.300 and some things doesn't don't get to us in you know it's amazing that we have what we have from

03:29:19.140 900 years ago so the fact that some of it comes down in in a less than perfect form i don't think

03:29:28.600 should be should be shocking in any way um and with that uh witness fawn will you take us through the

03:29:48.040 middle third of the villispell well a lot of people are saying uh they're noticing the the

03:29:58.920 nice horn you're drinking from um as well they should it is an amazing horn carved and painted

03:30:07.120 by afa member christian pinner who not just a member happens to be a folk builder out of north

03:30:13.360 Dakota. He does absolutely beautiful, beautiful work. But that said, let's

03:30:20.960 get back into the prophecy of the Seerus. Okay. So this is where we last left off. Some of you

03:30:33.700 might not remember. The Valla was just now talking about the end of the war between the gods of

03:30:46.840 cosmic order and the gods of natural law, the gods of fire and wind and light versus the gods of water

03:30:55.560 and earth and of shade or murk if you will um and of course the next uh section brooches over

03:31:06.920 and this is where we kind of know that she's most likely referring to the story of the rebuilding

03:31:14.440 of ausgarther's walls because the next uh in in 26 um immediately she's you know in swelling rage

03:31:24.480 then rose up thor seldom he sits when he hears uh with such things he hears and oaths were broken

03:31:31.760 and words and bonds and the mighty pledges between them made so the way that it's kind of worded

03:31:39.360 it's more or less like the first half of that is referencing to the return um

03:31:46.960 his return over in that story of specifically when he kind of rises up behind the um

03:31:52.720 the, uh, Jotun after the Jotun had kind of deceived the gods by presenting himself as a

03:32:01.220 immortal or a man. And that's, that's kind of a funny thing. I think, um, a lot of times in our

03:32:08.600 lore, these transitions and transformations are always kind of linked towards deception.

03:32:16.220 Sometimes it can be cunning deception and it's utilized by the gods. And then other times

03:32:20.900 it's not, and it's, it's seen as, um, uh, treacherous, but it's, it's a neutral ground

03:32:26.860 unless there are certain things kind of crossed. If you lose yourself in that, in that, so when

03:32:34.140 the, the Jotun is mentioned as kind of a, as a mortal, and, um, whether this is Snorri's

03:32:41.240 euhemorization or it was simply a plot hook, the idea is that after he, he reveals himself,

03:32:49.200 he is no longer a mortal he's a jotain but bear in mind earlier in the story he was trying to get

03:32:56.380 the sun and the moon and late uh and freya um and to to light his house and to uh warm his bed

03:33:07.160 is basically what he says and so it's it's kind of a tongue-in-cheek understanding it's not

03:33:14.020 necessarily a literalism in any any way shape or form and i think that that's what when they're

03:33:20.020 when when the vala is referring to the the oaths that are broken and the words and the bonds

03:33:25.780 is the referencing that in that part it all kind of shifts and he didn't he wasn't able to keep his

03:33:34.180 time and he wasn't truly what he presented himself to be um is a huge weight of or gravitas

03:33:43.540 of the story. So that's when, uh, Asathor, the storm father steps in and, um, smites the Jotun 0.51

03:33:53.380 as he often does, um, in our stories. And so it's, she's in essence, uh, number, uh, verse 26 0.96

03:34:02.700 is, is referring back to 25. And that is ultimately the Vala is referring to the story

03:34:08.980 of the rebuilding of Ausgarther's

03:34:11.060 walls.

03:34:13.900 Then she

03:34:15.000 mentions in 27,

03:34:17.420 and this is an interesting one,

03:34:20.340 I

03:34:21.060 know of the horn

03:34:22.460 of Heimdall. Of course,

03:34:25.100 she's speaking about Gjallarhorn.

03:34:28.980 Hidden under the high-reaching

03:34:31.280 holy tree, on

03:34:33.200 it there pours from

03:34:34.800 Valfather's pledge,

03:34:37.640 a mighty stream,

03:34:38.980 would you know yet more now this that part there is is you're going to see

03:34:45.240 that the best way to look at it is when the vala starts to bring herself towards what would be

03:34:53.680 perhaps the present of the story she's talked about the past now she's shifting over to the

03:34:59.880 present. And that is when you, you see, you know, when, when she says, you know,

03:35:05.920 she's saying, do you want to know more? And she'll say that over and over again. And that is

03:35:14.620 a hundred percent the middle of the poem. And so I've always equated it to the present.

03:35:23.540 Even though she's still kind of referencing secrets, she's referencing secrets that are known

03:35:29.460 now not necessarily from the past and um this verse too is very very interesting

03:35:37.320 so generally it causes quite a bit of confusion and this there's there's confusion in grimismal

03:35:44.480 and in uh the volaspal about where the the residing place of which um yellow horn is set

03:35:55.780 And some people wonder if it is in earth's well, or if it is in Mimir's well. And again, Mimir's well being the caveat that is that no one knows where Mimir's well is except for one, Lord Woden.

03:36:11.860 So how would that be? And I think that the the the true point of this verse is that it is in earth as well in heaven because of the the problem with the pledge.

03:36:29.080 people focus on the removal of the eye in in relation to this and i wonder and i'm you know

03:36:37.340 still many things to think about and still kind of looking through is that there was another pledge

03:36:42.300 that was made uh over a well and that was of course lord lord woden's sacrifice to himself

03:36:48.920 um upon yggdrasil and looking down into the waters of of uh earth's well so

03:36:56.880 I, I think that the, some of the confusion may have been there, but again, there also seems to

03:37:04.160 be that, um, uh, sometimes mixed up some of the spots or perhaps as they were being written down

03:37:15.840 and as they were being comprised, some of the spots get mixed to where, for instance, um,

03:37:21.060 in the gilfagining it's mentioned where the roots go but in grimness mall uh the roots are mixed up

03:37:28.320 there's there's one in heaven there's one in jotenheim and there's there's one in midgarth

03:37:34.660 so it's like it gets i think these might actually be somewhat grammatical errors i don't think that

03:37:43.800 there's too many or that there may have been a mix-up or perhaps um kind of a crossing of lines

03:37:50.640 as far as getting the consistency of it.

03:37:54.500 So I think that this is one of those kind of mysteries

03:37:57.340 where people ask, like, well, if Lord of Odin knows where,

03:38:01.500 only knows where Mimr's Well is,

03:38:04.180 how did Heimdall's horn get there?

03:38:06.200 Unless, and this is the big one, Heimdall is Odin.

03:38:10.240 And that is one of those, again,

03:38:14.700 for anybody that's new to the Ossetrae Focus family,

03:38:18.260 we don't hypostasis.

03:38:20.640 And so I feel like that's a bit of a cramming point. And even Edward Thorson is, you know, Dr. Stephen Flowers, under his pen name, Edward Thorson, made some suggestions that the possibility of Heimdall being Lord Odin.

03:38:40.480 And I don't prescribe to that, but I think that this is one of those passages that really kind of leans towards starting to question that.

03:38:53.620 But I think that it's also worth noting, the Valfather's pledge and sacrifice was taken on Yggdrasil as well, not just Mimir as well.

03:39:06.680 And so the, the idea that his, his, um, uh, sacrifice there and the, and the things that he gained, uh, as opposed to simply the eye, it's the whole, his whole being was gone and then returned from it.

03:39:25.200 So, just something interesting there, but she's, again, reemphasizing that this is the present moment, and she's starting to kind of reveal secrets, and that is showing, again, her power.

03:39:39.400 I want to take a moment here

03:39:42.160 I think that

03:39:52.000 and this is to follow

03:39:54.760 on what Svon said about

03:39:56.200 the

03:39:57.520 tendency that people have

03:40:00.960 towards

03:40:01.720 a reductionism

03:40:03.800 when it comes to

03:40:05.300 the gods mentioned

03:40:08.500 in our lore

03:40:09.280 and trying to there's a tendency in scholastic circles sometimes to combine

03:40:20.080 deities to make to make the stories move better to make certain plot points more fluid

03:40:28.540 um and you guys are going to hear me talk about this all of the time um

03:40:35.380 because i think it's important so i'm going to reiterate it a lot if you are approaching our faith

03:40:42.680 from a as a literary exercise then absolutely trimming the fat and merging things that seem

03:40:53.900 confusing to make fluid movement in the story makes a lot of sense if it is a work of fiction

03:41:01.240 if on the other hand your purpose in the pursuit of study is piety towards our gods

03:41:10.240 and our lore is a tool to understand our gods it's a very different story indeed

03:41:18.580 your job is in that pursuit is to find truth from the lore as opposed to construct a

03:41:31.240 literary story that's pleasing to modern sensibilities.

03:41:39.400 And they're really important things. So,

03:41:43.140 and this may sound like a really simple way to look at it. I think a lot of the ways

03:41:49.780 that I try to approach our faith are very simple. And I like to move from the simple to the complex

03:41:57.660 because I think the simple paints things in the highest contrast

03:42:05.020 and the easiest to understand.

03:42:07.520 So, and this sounds dumb even saying it, but I'm going to put it out there.

03:42:13.520 um if if you are worshiping

03:42:22.520 all of the gods in our stories that are appropriate for worship

03:42:28.620 and you make the mistake and two of those gods happen to actually be the same god

03:42:35.680 no harm no foul that god gets double worship under under different names

03:42:43.140 nobody is nobody is cheated in that equation but if admittedly from a point of confusion

03:42:52.420 you're not sure whether they're the same god or not but it's just easier to think that they are

03:43:02.260 you run the very serious risk of one of those gods being cut off from the worship of our folk

03:43:09.440 And I can think of no greater impiety than to separate one of our gods from the worship of our folk.

03:43:25.180 There's absolutely cases in our world where there are multiple names for the same god or the same goddess.

03:43:32.680 And we accept that 0.85

03:43:36.800 And there are cases where that's absolutely true

03:43:39.560 In the instance of Odin and Heimdall

03:43:42.060 It's not

03:43:43.460 We do not have significant reason to believe that it is

03:43:51.300 The positions that they serve

03:43:57.780 Within the family of our gods

03:44:00.120 Are very different and very distinct

03:44:02.900 there's a lot of things that are very distinct but there are obviously clear similarities

03:44:10.100 when dealing with mythic understandings again when you talk about these wells

03:44:16.900 it teaches us these different sources of

03:44:25.300 i'm trying to say how to think of how to describe the wells and what to liken to

03:44:29.540 them to besides wells but it really is a good analogy of these sources of us pulling up things

03:44:39.940 the well of memory and the well of earth are very similar in a lot of ways if you have to combine

03:44:46.340 elements of a story to make them make sense i am much more likely to combine the wells

03:44:53.540 than i am to combine the two gods right that's a much more pious way to make the

03:45:00.180 stanza make sense if that's where we're going and i think there's a lot of

03:45:06.900 obvious similarity and

03:45:11.140 sameness to the well of memory and the well of earth

03:45:15.220 both of the ideas of bringing up ancestral things from the past

03:45:23.540 and i just wanted to give that primer in case people wonder because a lot of the other

03:45:30.500 sources that folks listen to and that folks mention on uh on this youtube uh series that we do they

03:45:39.380 those folks have a tendency to be very free with their combining and reducing all the gods down to

03:45:47.540 a much smaller number eventually some people go so far as to reduce them all down to to odin

03:45:55.700 and that does a great disservice to all those gods that eventually become forgotten to our fold

03:46:02.180 well and i at the um the pledge um the word is is aureum and aureum is

03:46:20.660 a little confusing and i think that it's worth noting that it it denotes itself towards

03:46:27.740 Um, I would say that perhaps the, the best way to say it is, is the, the pledge that

03:46:39.920 holds things together.

03:46:41.200 It is the oath thing of, or the, the kind of the process of, so it's still not very,

03:46:47.460 um, uh, clear.

03:46:50.720 And again, I think it's left up to consideration, perhaps debate, but certainly consideration.

03:46:57.740 when it comes to the clarity as to where exactly Lord Heimdall's horn resides.

03:47:07.220 And when we cover the other poems, like the Grimnest Maul and stuff like that,

03:47:12.700 we can kind of reveal a little bit of that as well.

03:47:16.420 But I didn't want to soak too much time on that,

03:47:19.640 as I wanted to kind of just lay that seed perhaps for people to go

03:47:25.380 and hopefully, you know, as we're doing this, they're looking in and researching and maybe

03:47:31.940 seeing other things and considering other things in relation to, because again, you know, word

03:47:37.940 begets word, deed begets deed, knowledge grows. So there are a couple of questions over in the chat

03:47:48.820 that are directly related to these stanzas, or at least to what we're talking about in specific.

03:47:55.380 And one that I wanted to get to of Real Mage mentions that both Odin and Heimdall are both connected to Manu, according to his studies.

03:48:06.320 Maybe they share aspects from him.

03:48:08.600 There's a lot of similarity when you trace the roots of our gods and their names throughout history as they come down to us.

03:48:25.380 I see, I can see overlap in a lot of ways between Manu and Heimdall, and admittedly, which I'm not an expert on, and Heimdall, but I don't see that in the case of the All-Father. Svahn, do you have any thoughts on that?

03:48:42.680 Interestingly enough, Jacob Borim kind of connected Bor, the father of Odin, he connected him to Manas of Tacitus' accounts.

03:49:03.040 and of course manas is connected to or you know linguistically people have connected it to manu

03:49:09.360 so there is a lot of speculation across the board on this um and i would say that again perennial

03:49:14.920 truths of the idea of um from the you know from bor uh the gods come forth bar and bar and besla

03:49:24.520 um so you know from the gods they they come out of and just like that there's uh you know again

03:49:33.420 odin and the aunt and the breath that he gives to the to the folk and then heimdall so again they

03:49:40.660 there it's it's a perennial truth about the opening of the problem is is when i think you 0.95

03:49:48.640 see it in hinduism where they start to kind of dial everything down into vishnu or dial everything

03:49:54.380 down into shiva and i think right now what's going on is a lot of people dial everything down to ovin

03:50:00.860 because the other gods perhaps cannot do these things or they feel that they cannot do these

03:50:07.740 things because it somehow takes away from the sourcing of of the one ultimately you know it's

03:50:14.300 just it kind of it's like that all mythos is related in arian uh sense but it all boils down

03:50:22.620 to earth earth mommy and sky daddy and i again i think that this is a really dangerous path because

03:50:29.740 our ancestors believed in the multiplicity of the gods for a reason their interactions with the gods

03:50:35.580 and what they were taught by the first uh whether it's classier or whether it's king gelfi or

03:50:41.020 whether it's just the stories that were spread down to us over time have always worked towards

03:50:48.060 multiplicity and we should look at uh the patterning instead of attempting to kind of

03:50:55.900 force but the perennial truth of of uh the eldest of the house bar being the progenitor of the gods

03:51:04.860 and lord woden being the progenitor of the of the folk soul and and then heimdall being the

03:51:10.540 progenitor of say the evolutions of the folk are all true so i can see those connections

03:51:19.980 here's the here's the other thing and this goes back to my kind of overriding theme here

03:51:26.780 if we were starting from nothing and inventing gods and inventing religion

03:51:35.980 then cool it's super easy just to have like sky father and earth mother that's really handy

03:51:41.700 it's easy it makes sense cool let's do that that's not what we're doing

03:51:46.780 we have to start from a place to where our gods exist whether we're aware or not whether we

03:51:55.340 understand them or not whether we know or not our gods exist lord odin exists lord heimdall exists

03:52:03.600 any fault incomprehension between the two is on us not on them we seek to form a more perfect

03:52:11.700 understanding of them and a better relationship with them individually and as the family of the

03:52:18.760 isere we do that through devotion through offerings through the gift cycle through piety

03:52:25.280 and through our best attempt at right action.

03:52:30.420 And the study of that is good if it brings us closer to them

03:52:37.680 and helps us understand them better.

03:52:40.320 It's fun and interesting if we're just history nerds, which, cool, I am.

03:52:49.420 But the meat and taters of it is, does it bring us closer to our gods?

03:52:55.280 Honoring and being loyal to the Aesir trumps literary peculiarities of bits of lore.

03:53:04.520 The lore is useful because the lore brings us closer to an understanding of our gods.

03:53:10.140 It's always important to come back to that touchstone and that point of why are we doing this.

03:53:17.300 a fundamental in our religion generally why the what changes with time with place with circumstance

03:53:31.540 the why is timeless why are we reading our work why are we studying it what is the purpose of

03:53:40.780 our action what is the purpose of our thought process if we do that it clarifies all these

03:53:46.120 other things. And it does boil them down into a very simple starting point. And with that,

03:53:59.500 let's continue. Okay. So here is where, again, absolute presentism comes about because the

03:54:09.760 Vala is saying almost as if she's speaking more to herself.

03:54:17.000 She's stating the obvious as,

03:54:19.120 as you know, Lord Vóðinn is there

03:54:24.000 and has brought her about.

03:54:26.520 And she speaks about him coming as if separate

03:54:31.700 from the time or, and I always take this as again,

03:54:35.420 The location is never truly stated except in comparison to the preparing of the halls in Helgard.

03:54:48.060 But again, if she can see all from various levels, some people automatically assume that Lord Volden has gone into Helgard, which he does often.

03:54:58.540 He goes into the place away from time.

03:55:00.120 That's one of the most powerful parts of of him in retrospect to perhaps in the stories, all the other gods is that his unique ability to be dynamic.

03:55:13.560 He's in the dynamic throne. And and I use these these titles because I'm not trying to force the gods into things.

03:55:20.260 I'm trying to observe the gods from the stories and then kind of classify what that might be.

03:55:28.560 And so Lord Vodhan being in the dynamic and seeing all the other Aryan faiths having the dynamic throne, having the stasis throne, and having the catalystic throne, it's generally seen that Lord Vodhan is in the place away from time, in the place of shadow, in the place where the deepest and the darkest root of Yggdrasil finds itself below the Nidavellar and into Niflheim.

03:55:57.360 and and there he raises her up and that's generally when you see um the stories written

03:56:04.560 not as poems but just as stories that is that is the um the general kind of mode you'll see it

03:56:12.000 presented and that it was lord woden's sorrow of the death of his son that ultimately is the reason

03:56:20.800 why he asked hermos to ride instead of him because the perilous journey but in this case you know

03:56:28.880 it's generally seen that he has made the journey and once again has you know moved through nipa's

03:56:34.320 cave and passed by garmer the the great uh hound death hound or or hell hound and um is now you

03:56:43.440 know raising her somewhere in the deep cockles of the the shadowy realms um it's very very

03:56:50.720 it's so cool but not contextualized in the poem so um i like to paint that a little bit because

03:56:57.120 it helps people kind of like get the imagery of it and um i want to interject something real quick

03:57:03.200 because it's a lot of these first ones feel free to fast forward these down the line when you watch

03:57:10.960 them or whatever because i know we um go through points exhaustively but we're setting tones and

03:57:19.440 it's really important so i see over in the chat and this is not aimed negatively this is something

03:57:25.680 to keep in mind because we all have a tendency to do this it's very important to change our mindset

03:57:34.560 change our language and change how we think of things from time to time

03:57:42.240 somebody mentions that the gods were well-rounded because the folk in each social class had to be

03:57:52.000 if the gods were well-rounded the gods are well-rounded our gods don't exist in the ancient

03:57:58.720 past i mean certainly they do but they exist just as much in the ancient past as they do in the

03:58:04.480 present and in the distant future and that's one of those things that we all do it's one of those

03:58:11.120 one of the biggest things i try to correct um when we get new members they want to talk about what

03:58:18.080 you know you guys in the afa you know you guys are doing this you guys are doing great things

03:58:23.760 like no you mean us guys you are you're one of us you're in our family you're on the team

03:58:30.240 we are doing those things and so when we talk about our gods they didn't used to be like x

03:58:37.120 they are you know however they are um and it's it's just one of those things that may seem small

03:58:44.080 but it affects how you think and the more you internalize that the more i don't know ingrained

03:58:49.680 it becomes go ahead well so this though the way bellows places this is super i love it

03:58:58.960 it it really gets the storytelling mode out she's saying to herself alone i sat when the old one

03:59:07.540 sought me the terror of the gods and gazed in my eyes what hast thou to ask why comest thou hither

03:59:15.240 oh then i know where thine eye is hidden so she's again revealing the fact she knows a 0.88

03:59:21.360 present secret a verdandi secret and she's she's just kind of posturing here um with great

03:59:29.860 confidence uh because again perhaps her slumber or the place in which she has uh you know laid

03:59:38.460 um brings her to this knowledge of like seeping through the roots uh while she's been in this

03:59:44.940 torpor or sleep and um you know she says i know they're where they where odin's eye is hidden and

03:59:50.920 she's speaking to odin deep in the wide famed well of mimir mead from the pledge of odin each

03:59:58.180 uh each oh they kind of had a an interesting uh each mourn the there's a misspelling here

04:00:09.580 uh but does does mimir drink would you know yet more and so here you know it's she's clearly

04:00:20.040 stating there's a secret place a place after the war that you took the head of your uncle

04:00:27.160 and hid it in a secret place in a well far off in the place of dissipation the place

04:00:34.800 that's that cannot be traversed easily unless you are you know the the storm father or if you are

04:00:41.300 lord othen himself and and it's it's just not and yet here she knows she knows of it

04:00:48.100 she knows where it is she knows what the cost of the of the pledge that he made there with his eye

04:00:54.900 to drink from that well and to know all things that have traversed through the middle world

04:01:00.940 And that's, I think, a really important thing, the well of memory. If we understand the world, Uðr is the origin point, the place in which all things flow from. Mimir is the memory point. It is the part in which all things of time and weird and all the movements of the middle go into the wellspring of the memory, the place that it flows.

04:01:26.100 And it's processed there through the wisdom of Mimir, and he is kind of like a godhead of all that has happened.

04:01:35.900 And the eye there is clearly, you know, again, the association is that Lord Wolthen can now see all actions to their conclusion.

04:01:47.420 And that helps with him staving off the ultimate end of chaos.

04:01:53.040 if we're looking at this of course in the in the uh mythos timeline of of point a to point b

04:02:01.100 this is what it's really about is again is attaining that understanding it's and she

04:02:06.620 she states it and the reason why it's so important is because nobody knows where that is and she does

04:02:13.740 so uh very very interesting um uh in 29 there is a there's a little bit of um a loss in this verse

04:02:26.440 uh necklaces had eye and rings from hair hair father hair father of course being battle father

04:02:33.560 or war father or uh you know raiding father um wise was my speech and my magic wisdom

04:02:42.080 widely I saw all over the worlds. And what I think this is ultimately stating is that

04:02:48.420 perhaps the process in which he gains this knowledge is given through gift giving in a form

04:02:53.920 of necklaces and rings or the idea again, clearly of the Germanic concept of kind of giving in order

04:03:03.600 to receive, um, that a leader must do oftentimes and, and, and, and, uh, with good, with good

04:03:10.980 reward, it's, it's kind of seen that way as, um, a, a strong and high hand is a giving hand

04:03:17.700 and can be a, uh, you know, or, or an unforgiving hand if you, if you go, uh, against it, kind of

04:03:24.460 the, the process. So that, that, um, stanza there is, I think, kind of alluding to

04:03:31.640 her um exchange and being able to see all through the worlds of of yggdrasil um and then she again

04:03:42.200 this is poetic and i think it's it's important to perhaps um that the idea is that the the names of

04:03:49.660 the the true avatars of lord wothin's um furious might is always the the the willful grasping

04:04:01.360 hands of the Valkyrie, the Valkyries, the carriers of the slain. And so she goes to name that.

04:04:11.840 And she says, on all sides, I saw the Valkyries assemble ready to ride to the ranks of the gods.

04:04:20.800 There is scold. Now, this is like, again, a lot of people, this causes confusion because we think,

04:04:25.760 Well, oh, there's the Nornscold, but again, the Nornir, the Deesir, and even some of the Ausenir, including Freyja, is often referred to as, again, a vanadis, a twister of fate.

04:04:45.440 uh the nornir are kind of an application of of the usage of the word witch but not in the sense of

04:04:51.820 like a troll witch as more so much like a a bringer of fate a turner of fate and the valkyria

04:05:00.080 were seen that way they were seen as the ones that had the ability to again twist and and twine the

04:05:06.920 fate of those on the battlefield to the moment that othen needed in order to uh bring up the

04:05:13.140 strong souls. So, um, these, you know, he, he, he is basically being told, like, I, I even know the

04:05:23.320 names of your Valkyries. Um, you know, there's Skold who bore the shield and there's Skogel,

04:05:30.000 the shaking one, uh, who rode next. And then there is, you know, there is Guth and Heald,

04:05:35.300 um you know uh might and or goodly might and battle and then uh gondul and gear skogel gear

04:05:45.680 is a is uh the same as the old english gar gear is a spear like we spoke about with um garlic and

04:05:53.280 and and uh the gear leak so she's the spear shaker and um of of herion's hair yarns herion's maidens

04:06:04.000 so again her your father herion is of course the lord or the presiding of battle um the maiden's

04:06:13.080 uh list ye have heard valkyries ready to ride over the earth so um really really again poignant

04:06:21.300 and understanding that um she's referencing to lord odin's present state the the the secret of

04:06:29.740 the eye and, and his application of willful spirit, the, the, the, the Valkyria, which we

04:06:38.380 don't know the origin of. Um, but I kind of always have seen them as the, um, the willful

04:06:45.640 manifestation or extensions of his will, perhaps, you know, completely understood as, as, um,

04:06:53.060 by his, his desire. And a lot of people, um, have speculated again about the origins of the

04:07:01.860 Valcadia, um, perhaps being, you know, physical maidens and, uh, throughout the times they have

04:07:08.240 changed. They were, you know, kind of seen as, um, that terrible to look upon the, the, the fear of,

04:07:15.120 of battle, the, um, shell shock, if you will, that could come over you if you were to kind of

04:07:20.360 be in the presence of their spirit um because war is is hell in our hell guard war is is that way

04:07:30.680 and so when they when they ride it's it's definitely seen as a scary sense but then

04:07:39.100 later on too you know the valkyries are seen as um ever upward ever open and i think that that's

04:07:45.440 really important just like when we see the valfather as the lord of battle but he's also

04:07:49.820 lord of gladsheim we see battle and and the darkness and and a lot of that but it's not

04:07:56.060 the motif entire it's there is a grandeur to it as well um and so i you know this this part

04:08:05.020 though definitely captures um some of the kind of just brutalness of it all um

04:08:11.900 Um, so yeah, we move, uh, now into, let me see, we are, uh, in 31, double checking, making

04:08:26.980 sure, so I don't skip anything because that would be, uh, let me see.

04:08:33.680 yeah so um

04:08:40.460 you know we see then that she comes to uh i saw for balder the bleeding god the son of odin his

04:08:50.360 destiny is set famous and fair in the lofty fields full grown in strength their mistletoe

04:08:56.880 stood so she's again coyishly playing with the fact that the ultimate doom was in such a pleasant

04:09:05.640 place a place unknown un un um you know unobserved just kind of lot left and she's toying with lord

04:09:17.960 of olden in this story and again remember it's this is the stories have to have an a certain

04:09:22.720 level of entertainment value for the folk that are listening and so you know um she's making

04:09:30.200 coy of this i saw for balder the bleeding god the fact of calling him the bleeding god is again

04:09:37.600 kind of a strike the son of oath and his destiny set famous and fair in the lofty fields

04:09:45.100 full grown in strength the mistletoe stood because again mistletoe is so slight and small like

04:09:51.780 she's kind of playing up with the whole

04:09:54.380 how big, how

04:09:56.380 strong this tiny little sprig

04:09:58.560 was 0.74

04:09:59.040 and then she of course then

04:10:02.260 reveals the whole point of it true is that from the

04:10:04.360 branch which seemed so slender

04:10:06.280 and fair came a harmful shaft 1.00

04:10:08.080 that hother should hurl 1.00

04:10:10.060 of course in the English 1.00

04:10:12.280 they say hoth

04:10:13.060 hother is of course

04:10:16.240 the other

04:10:18.280 half of balder, the shadow

04:10:19.760 He is the blind and, you know, but the brother of Baldr was born ere long and one night old, fought Odin's son.

04:10:32.060 Now, this causes a lot of confusion because, again, the audience is understanding of certain things.

04:10:38.180 And this is making reference to another one of the holy Ausa, who is the lord of corrective might.

04:10:47.220 and that is of course

04:10:49.120 Vaoli and so

04:10:51.180 there are switching

04:10:53.040 here that

04:10:54.900 from the branch which seems so slender and fair

04:10:57.380 came a harmful shaft that Hoth

04:10:59.280 did hurl but

04:11:00.980 the brother of Baldr which again

04:11:03.260 is now she's referring to Vaoli

04:11:04.860 was born

04:11:06.500 nearly not very long and

04:11:09.280 one night old killed

04:11:11.120 Hoth and that's what

04:11:13.260 she's referencing to because

04:11:15.360 again he had to immediately

04:11:16.920 his existence uh was brought about with the entire intent of correcting uh balance which

04:11:25.760 means that if balder the light must fall then so too must hother the dark because they are

04:11:33.340 interconnected um it is as much the consciousness to the shadow or the to the um you know the the

04:11:41.500 the ego or the subconscious in a way if we wanted to kind of conceptualize it like that

04:11:46.460 and it was through vauli's hand that born of the ausenia rinder he is

04:11:53.580 not you know but one night old and he uh his exudes his power and um i like it you know the

04:12:01.020 interesting uh usage of the story and is he covered in gore and not even bathed

04:12:05.100 um in the guild beginning when it's mentioned um and yeah his hands were washed not his hair

04:12:12.760 was not combed till he bore the bale blaze balder's foe again referring to the equilibrium of

04:12:20.800 of putting holder on the pyre along with balder um but then we talk about the the you know it but

04:12:30.840 in Fensaler did Frigg weep

04:12:33.080 sore

04:12:34.580 for Valhalla's

04:12:37.140 or Valhalla's need

04:12:38.380 would you know yet

04:12:41.140 or more

04:12:41.820 and so here is the

04:12:45.040 lament

04:12:45.560 and again it's kind of a poke

04:12:49.000 because our audience would understand

04:12:51.140 that what Frigg

04:12:52.660 Lady Frigga had to do 0.99

04:12:54.960 in order to try to stop the death 0.83

04:12:56.760 of Lord Baldur

04:12:58.140 was to create the oath of all things all creation was to oath to not harm him and yet still she

04:13:06.180 weeps because she had failed so it's it's a little bit of a poke um now this isn't this is um

04:13:17.960 a truly interesting part because i don't see anyone else except for perhaps in our

04:13:26.340 our interpretations of this of the lore uh we're about to venture into something that a lot of

04:13:31.880 people i think are confused about and they don't really know what to do um because of again double

04:13:37.600 namings that happen a lot in the lore but for us this is again still vauly is enacting more justice

04:13:45.780 um in equilibrium balder is slain by hother so hother has to be taken down then did vauly

04:13:52.900 slaughter bonds twist made fairly grim with those fetters of guts and what we're what we're talking

04:14:02.020 about now is if balder and and holder are in line with each other to be um you know in equilibrium

04:14:10.420 that one dies the other has to die what ultimately happened and the reason why we call loki the kinslayer

04:14:17.860 is that loki took a son from his blood brother and blood brotherhood is like brotherhood it's

04:14:26.520 it's he's a kinslayer that's a needling act and so what would vali do again the birth and him being

04:14:35.120 a babe is kind of again showing that he's pure in focus he's he's completely neutral and is

04:14:42.780 enacting upon himself these this um and so vali then slaughters loki's son and binds him as what

04:14:53.120 she's referring to and a lot of people get this caught up because uh in uh loki's one of loki's

04:14:59.640 sons is um you know is narvi and then vali is mentioned but i think that's actually an interplay

04:15:06.020 of uh of incorrection which they're referring to valley slaying loki's son norvi with with his

04:15:14.740 also wife sigon so that's an important

04:15:21.780 that's an important thing to guard against as well in trying to understand our lore i've seen a lot of

04:15:30.100 other people again if our lore were carved on stone on top of a mountain by the hand of one of

04:15:43.940 our gods if it was perfectly imparted to one of our great prophets in a cave it's a very different

04:15:54.740 thing um but our lore is not our lore teaches us and it approaches perfect truth through

04:16:06.580 imperfect means and through understandings of scalds and poets and bards and elders over time

04:16:15.780 so there's inevitably pieces of it that are imperfect that are mistranslated that are

04:16:24.740 that you will find contradictions and flaws.

04:16:29.520 It doesn't mean the truth of our faith is contradictory or flawed.

04:16:34.840 It means the centuries, perhaps millennia,

04:16:41.000 of writing it down and recording it gets messed up a little bit.

04:16:45.540 For example, if you look at the text we're reading right now,

04:16:49.160 we find errors in it.

04:16:50.840 We found one where it says mob when it means mourn.

04:16:53.820 we found that you know what two stanzas ago it's clear when you look at the original text it's just

04:17:00.780 somebody mistyped something from the the original norse it's easy enough to unravel all that to say

04:17:07.980 this the complete reading of the lore that we have adds context when there's a point of confusion in

04:17:17.740 other pieces of lore um each of these poems contains very often there's similar stories

04:17:29.100 told in different ones by comparing those and finding the commonalities and finding the common

04:17:35.580 threads that make sense it is we're best served to get a full understanding of of the circumstance

04:17:44.460 as opposed to what I've seen trying the best way to put this there are some people who

04:17:53.220 if you approach our lore as a scholastic literary study in old Norse it's really easy if you find

04:18:04.320 one place where something is anomalous and to build everything around the anomaly that you found

04:18:10.140 it is much more solid ground to build truth out of the rule instead of the exception to the rule

04:18:19.220 and the more you study this with an eye towards piety the more you recognize those things so

04:18:29.360 somebody finds like a little aha i found something that nobody else has thought about

04:18:33.640 we shouldn't celebrate the obscurity we should celebrate the clear theme and clear predominance

04:18:44.300 of the lore as opposed to you know some obscure little little snippet somewhere that you find

04:18:50.560 you don't cast out the

04:18:53.480 you don't cast out the wealth of evidence to the contrary because you found one exception

04:19:01.240 it's the exception that you should look upon with some skepticism if it flies in the face of

04:19:07.960 a consistent body of lore that says otherwise and that may not make sense right now some of

04:19:15.100 you know what i'm talking about are going to understand it but you'll see it as we go through

04:19:18.780 the lore more fully when there's these little points that don't quite match up it's you know

04:19:24.500 You'll notice that Svan mentions perhaps little pieces that Sonori may get wrong or may transcribe in a slightly off way.

04:19:37.560 These aren't arbitrary.

04:19:38.680 It's because Svan is well-versed in the existent body of our lore, so he is making sense within that context as opposed to, you know,

04:19:49.820 aha, there's this one line, because our lore doesn't work that way.

04:19:54.500 Well, and in particular with this situation, there is a problem about balance and Aryan mythos. If Vaulli kills Hodor, but then the son of Loki, Vaulli, kills his brother, people try to make that equation as Hoth kills Baldr, so Loki's two sons will kill each other as well.

04:20:21.980 But this immediately negates the purpose of Vaoli and what he's come to do. And again, there's no stating as to this other son of Loki, what happens after he kills his brother and binds him with it.

04:20:39.000 So there was these gaps that we were looking at, and the linguistics of it speculate that perhaps it was not that case, that Vowli was the instrument throughout the entirety, and this is Vowli Odinson, son of Odin and Rindr, and that he is enacting this vengeance because that is what he is born to do.

04:21:05.820 And the moment you take that and go, oh, well, perhaps there was a kind of a double skip there and that it's Narvi that's slain by Vaoli, then everything is complete at that point.

04:21:16.720 And there's no gaps.

04:21:18.220 Well, and so that's, I noticed this because we all use Wikipedia as an aid here and there for running into something really quick.

04:21:26.220 We'll quick look it up on Wikipedia.

04:21:27.560 but the people that write about our faith on wikipedia aren't writing about it as a religion

04:21:33.700 writing about it as an anthropological study in you know old norse literature and it it's

04:21:43.280 different there and they entertain a lot of you know strange theories because they're academic

04:21:48.920 curiosities rather than trying to come to an understanding of truth it's very obvious in the

04:21:53.660 story that the vow the only valley that's relevant is the valley especially when it has any overlap

04:22:03.840 with this particular story and his purpose could not be more clear now to extrapolate

04:22:11.780 the greater implications of him embodying the writing of the scales is done you know

04:22:20.740 through Agothi's wisdom but just through a reading of the story in any way it's very obvious

04:22:26.700 he is the instant birthing of vengeance that can't even comb his hair or wash

04:22:35.460 the birth gore off before he accomplishes his task and he gets vengeance for his brother and

04:22:44.040 does right by his father and his family and uh that is profoundly clear to anybody reading the

04:22:54.140 story and a side note i'm excited for spawn to paint that particular mural when we get to his

04:23:03.960 half oh yes it's again uh there's a there's a sense of and again lord odin is eager it is he's

04:23:14.120 the the awesome one the terrible terrifying one and and valley is by by essence of his father that

04:23:20.600 that kind of extension but honed into uh condensed form and truly um there's just a lot of

04:23:30.520 i've been speculating as to how i could do it justice or do it honor and i'm i'm not quite

04:23:37.000 there yet i don't have a full on but um again the the task is not lost on me and i to reference some

04:23:43.800 of these uh in this in the murals and create these little easter eggs and then transferring

04:23:50.440 i mean perhaps in the folk futhark um little tidbits here and there in order for people to

04:23:56.120 kind of get both the poetic sense and the story sense because i i really do enjoy the um what are

04:24:04.920 what are the stories of our gods were meant to do was to teach us but also to inspire to to evoke

04:24:11.400 emotions um and for those of you listening at home this will be hof number 10 when lord vowley gets

04:24:19.480 so small. Yeah. And, and Vali is the, is the arbiter of, of corrective order. He is the

04:24:29.920 instrument of instantaneous, uh, writing of the ship, or perhaps if you, again, using Eastern

04:24:36.840 tongue, you know, Dharma, he is instant, uh, as opposed to perhaps evolving or, or delayed

04:24:45.460 corrective action, or the maintenance

04:24:47.760 of corrective action,

04:24:49.940 he is that which, when the scales

04:24:51.920 are tilted farthest,

04:24:54.460 he, you know,

04:24:56.420 becomes

04:24:57.300 that wrathful

04:24:58.980 purity.

04:25:02.980 I just can't remember.

04:25:04.040 I'm not allowed for words.

04:25:07.840 Vowley is,

04:25:10.220 there's such a small

04:25:11.900 snippet of lore

04:25:14.340 that speaks to his glory, but it's so visceral that it, in such a brevity of words, conveys

04:25:28.300 overwhelmingly powerful imagery. And I think that's a really special reflection of him in

04:25:40.780 that way. Yeah. And I think that, um, the lore of our gods versus perhaps the devotion of our gods

04:25:48.900 is that, you know, you have this small amount of lore perhaps in poems, but to understand like

04:25:54.720 that Valley's eye, you know, is like the, the catching of Valley's eye is both good and bad

04:26:00.740 because the idea is that any, any imbalance within yourself can be shattered. Um, so it's like that,

04:26:08.600 the moment of being seen by the the lens of the gods in inaction is like do you want to be truly

04:26:17.840 noticed and you know are you prepared to stand before that understanding that despite all he

04:26:24.820 he enacts that justice swiftly if need be and um i've always found with my personal religious

04:26:31.300 workings with, with Valley that I, I speak in, in oftentimes hushed tones and, and lower prayers.

04:26:38.740 And, um, I, I give offering with great humbleness because I don't think that we truly, um, have the

04:26:49.340 ability because we're mortal to really respect, uh, introspectively look at the balances within

04:26:55.480 ourselves and so i i oftentimes have always very quietly and humbly given unto valley gift because

04:27:03.160 i don't want to um i not not offend but just it again it's just a it's a sense of of reverence

04:27:13.340 for a power that is always again just like with with lord thor if the power that is around

04:27:21.440 uh is good but it can be very powerful and unrelenting if so respect it

04:27:31.280 you'll notice we've got you know we're into the second of three

04:27:38.240 many hours long episodes about a you know 60 stanza poem or 66 stanza i believe that we

04:27:47.520 could go through we could go through it very quickly but there's a lot of really important

04:27:52.080 things that pop up that i think are um worthy of talking about and i want to make this one

04:27:59.840 you know further extrapolation when we're talking about lord valley

04:28:06.480 this goes to the very essence of so much of what we talk about and so much what i harp on on here

04:28:12.480 we got very little i think a lot of people who are reconstructionist in their approach to our faith

04:28:24.680 can wrap their head around you know how we would build a cult to to owe them

04:28:32.360 or to thor that we have so many stories and such a wealth of information on

04:28:38.020 but they scratch their heads and don't know what to do in order to build an active worship of some of our gods

04:28:50.460 that we don't have a wealth of knowledge on.

04:28:53.880 We have very little.

04:28:56.680 But this is what I mean.

04:28:58.100 The lore is a tool to get to know our gods better.

04:29:01.520 but I've always maintained and I believe and you know what x that I think that we're very used to

04:29:12.940 I mentioned words being important earlier we have this ingrained humility on it

04:29:20.820 it's not what I believe it's what I know if we had none of our war and we were without those things

04:29:31.060 we found ourselves on a distant planet on a deserted island and it was just us and our gods

04:29:39.580 we would build lore we would build relationship we would come to know them better if we approach

04:29:46.600 them through piety and that's what we are doing and it's a huge hope of ours um that by establishing

04:29:55.560 Hoffs to some of these gods that we know less about that we will build those relationships

04:30:03.380 and those bonds in such a way that we'll be blessed with with greater knowledge and greater

04:30:08.220 understanding of them and we've already seen that the relationships with our gods have grown

04:30:16.080 as our Hoffs honoring them have have been established in this regular worship that those

04:30:21.960 Hoffs occur. So I'm excited for that as it grows and develops. But again, the lore is a tool to

04:30:30.160 help us build those relationships. What is most important is building that relationship with our

04:30:36.640 gods. I've said it before, there's a profound difference in being a scholar on a subject

04:30:44.300 and being someone who has a personal relationship with someone or i say with someone it's not uh

04:30:57.020 it is a relationship it's not like you know balder's my homie it doesn't some people have

04:31:04.940 trivialized it to that point but it's absolutely a relationship between a worshiper and his gods

04:31:12.020 and that's the most important thing if the war helps us to get there fine but if you have the

04:31:17.940 war without the relationship and without the devotion then you're a scholar and that's fine

04:31:24.740 to be a scholar but being a scholar does not make you also true and if you have the relationship

04:31:30.020 with our gods and you have you know no knowledge of the war or you've never never seen it or didn't

04:31:37.380 have access to it you are closer to being also true than the scholar who's never you know put

04:31:44.660 his book down and prayed um verse 35 there comes a point again in mentioning the um the uh

04:32:01.220 the kin slayer again um and i wanted to bring up another point too because again

04:32:06.820 the way that we organize things when we talk about the gods and we talk about hierarchy

04:32:12.020 very little is said beyond that and so uh this is another great point of understanding

04:32:17.540 about the way um we observe the hierarchy of of of the gods and uh perhaps other people

04:32:25.620 or um you know fly by nights or things like that um perhaps lose it in the fold but we have an

04:32:33.060 absolute kind of observation of it is so as one did i see in the wet woods bound um and that that

04:32:42.260 again is the verlandi um is it's the mired lands uh and again it's mentioned in um the gilford

04:32:53.380 getting is the the kettle groves and it's mentioned in the in the vola as well later on

04:32:58.660 But one did I see in the wet woods? A lover of ill. The worker of strife is basically what the lover of ill means. And to Loki like. Again, likening to his name known amongst the gods.

04:33:21.260 and by his side does Sigyn sit

04:33:24.320 nor is glad

04:33:26.040 to see her mate

04:33:27.680 it's you know would you like to know more

04:33:34.040 you know and so

04:33:35.300 it's in that part again too

04:33:37.660 it's worth noting

04:33:39.900 like a lot of people

04:33:41.060 it's hard to formulate an understanding

04:33:44.140 who is Sigyn

04:33:45.720 and so

04:33:48.300 the observation

04:33:49.840 and in hierarchy that i have always placed in this is is the the our senior the goddesses are

04:33:57.440 clearly mentioned there's frigga there's freya there's fulla snotra or snotra um nowa and and

04:34:07.760 all of all of them are you know are named fulla and i mean uh var and vow and soven and loven and

04:34:14.720 all of the the house and you are mentioned and then outside of that we have very key um

04:34:22.000 beings in our in our faith and in the stories that are not mentioned in that list and so

04:34:27.120 we call them the aust the near the beloved ones and they're aligned with the gods and therefore

04:34:33.520 are of the gods but they're not listed as the awesome so you have for instance like even and

04:34:41.520 And most of us, I think it's going without saying.

04:34:46.720 But because the list was set as of the Al-Senor,

04:34:51.480 and that has a titled sense of perhaps the working machinations of our faith

04:34:59.060 and the faith of our ancestors about who they prayed to

04:35:03.320 versus the forces that are present in heavenly being. 0.57

04:35:08.440 So, you know, you have Sif and Idun, and one of the Austvenir that is, you know, is of the gods, but then is consigned to the fate based off her obligation and oath to the kinslayer is Sigion.

04:35:27.260 so she's one of the 0.85

04:35:29.040 Ostvinir

04:35:29.700 perhaps like again in the hierarchy 0.99

04:35:33.240 of heaven she was on the list

04:35:35.320 but now she resides 0.99

04:35:36.780 her fate tied

04:35:39.020 to that to the one in which

04:35:41.100 she was linked to

04:35:42.380 and so you know in this part

04:35:47.340 she is of the

04:35:49.200 same ill fate as her

04:35:51.160 husband

04:35:51.600 and she still honors the oath

04:35:55.180 she still presides the

04:35:57.120 oath. Um, and despite, um, you know, Loki's kind of shifting and changing, um, she holds true

04:36:05.520 because she is again, victory. She is the, the Ausvenir of, uh, or was of, of victory and of

04:36:14.160 maintaining troth. And she does it even despite the, the knowing that being of the hand that kills, 0.77

04:36:24.000 um, Odin's son is going to bide her no remorse. Um, she, she then encapsulates herself in the fate

04:36:33.800 of Loki. Um, so, you know, then, um,

04:36:44.840 here we go into a mentioning, uh, in, in 36, um, from the east there pours through poison veils

04:36:53.920 with swords and daggers the river sleeve and this is an interesting uh usage of the again rivers i

04:37:02.160 think um perfect example of this is like some of the reconstructionists were talking about how

04:37:07.280 all the rivers have to be at the roots and all the roots have to be at the bottom

04:37:10.480 and everything in order to make sense that there's a tree standing up there has to be

04:37:14.000 this understanding that they basically just completely flipped all of the of the cosmological

04:37:22.080 uh power of movement um without a i think an understanding perhaps just to again make sense

04:37:29.600 of it all um but this is an interesting one because it is mentioned about being in between

04:37:36.160 kind of jotunheim and hellheim or niflheim niflhell and that's again because all the rivers

04:37:44.560 and sleeve is is uh not from jotunheim it's it's known that so basically what's saying

04:37:51.680 this is that um you know from from the east it is known as the one of the elevator one of the dreadful

04:38:01.520 waves of the underworld but you know it it pours in um from the east of that land the sword uh the

04:38:12.240 the of the river the river slither and slither just means cruel and you'll notice that about

04:38:17.840 all the rivers mentioned in the lower worlds are they have a connection towards there's like the

04:38:23.520 festering battle wound there's the river of the crying out of souls there's the the river that

04:38:29.360 is cruel um the one that is a a noise a a a cacophonous monster or a cacophonous singer

04:38:37.920 um all of the rivers of the lower begin to have that kind of very very um uh you know

04:38:45.600 just desperation in them so um uh you know from the east through the poison veils with swords and

04:38:54.860 daggers the river sleeve northward a hall in neither valor so in neither valor is or a neither

04:39:01.840 volume is um the the land underneath the earth it is the shady place where uh the kind of the

04:39:10.960 bridging between the mortal realm and the the timeless realm of niflheim and there is uh again

04:39:18.020 a mentioning to the to the dvergar or to the duero or the dwarves or the svartalfar and this again

04:39:24.520 is a part that um perhaps is is lost but there's um the the brewing um uh you know so northward

04:39:38.420 a hall in Nidervellet of gold

04:39:40.660 then rose for

04:39:42.240 Sindri's race. And Sindri's 0.73

04:39:44.660 race is

04:39:46.480 mentioned as Sindra Etter,

04:39:48.500 or the family, or the people of,

04:39:50.380 or the, in essence, the family of

04:39:52.460 Sindri, the

04:39:54.180 dark elves, 0.99

04:39:56.860 the svart elves, I mean.

04:39:59.440 And in

04:40:00.120 Okolnir

04:40:01.780 another stood

04:40:03.500 where the giant

04:40:06.100 brimmer his beer hall had and uh again oak oak is the is um is the place of oaks and so

04:40:16.420 oftentimes this is kind of seen as a place within the east a place amongst the jotens so

04:40:23.140 there's not a ton of referencing as to uh you know the northward hall in neither valor and the

04:40:29.860 the beer hall of Brimmer in the oak land or the power of the oaked place.

04:40:37.760 And it's kind of, again, perhaps alluding to stories that we've lost

04:40:43.980 in relation to especially Okolnir.

04:40:50.080 So, again, it's establishing as we're moving down.

04:40:54.180 And that, I think, is another important point that you'll notice in the poem 0.79

04:40:58.640 that the vala starts with the upper world and then she moves to the middle world with mimers well and 0.95

04:41:05.280 then she speaks of the slaying and now she devotes all of her attention to the lower the shadowed

04:41:11.920 realm the place in which the the tree of heaven its roots burrow into the shade of this place

04:41:18.560 and and few know of it um and in here she says uh a hall i saw far from the sun

04:41:26.800 on naustrand it stands and its doors face north venom drops through the smoke vent

04:41:35.800 down or the central place and from around the walls do serpents wind and so now we're talking

04:41:43.700 about helgard and with an understanding of certain things one a lot of people automatically

04:41:52.320 jump to the act like oh snorty was a christian and so he's gonna make hell guard very terrible

04:41:58.280 because his understanding of like an underworld but i don't think that's that's necessarily the

04:42:02.960 case i think that it's worth noting that our ancestors took to the understanding that the

04:42:10.180 the death was the opposite of wholeness that it was the breaking apart place and so it was often

04:42:17.480 seen as as dark and and mist and and that's because again they're relating the mythos of death

04:42:24.360 to what it its proper station which is dark and and and grounding and dissipative um

04:42:31.880 but there is clearly places in which on uh that there stands a um kind of good and a bad

04:42:40.680 And she mentions Naustrand, the nether beach

04:42:46.420 And she talks about the door that faces north

04:42:50.440 Again, one of the reasons this is mentioned is

04:42:53.380 One, a north-facing door catches the northern wind, a cold wind

04:42:57.040 It's also mentioned that Nipah's cave

04:42:59.640 Nipah means like a mound 1.00

04:43:02.200 And I know it's going to laud some laughs

04:43:06.420 but it survives in our language like in the same as like nipple and it it means like a pronging

04:43:14.900 spot a nipa's cave is is a cave inside a kind of a mound and it could be viewed as a kurgan or it

04:43:23.060 could be viewed sometimes as a natural structure but it's seen as the place that kind of juts up

04:43:28.020 in the north and that you know that the soul travels down that road and then that the door

04:43:36.340 that's awaiting it that faces the north is the ever-opening door of hellguard because all things

04:43:42.660 must end and all things must die venom dropping through the smoke vent down i mean that's worth

04:43:48.100 noting the smoke vent of a hall and the idea that um venom doesn't necessarily just mean um like

04:43:56.980 from uh fangs it was it was the the fetid process or the the things that which break down and so

04:44:06.020 all of hellguard is always associated with the what i call the calamity of midgard it's the uh

04:44:13.220 it's the all things that are used to catalyst and break apart and slowly pull down and um

04:44:20.900 But I think it's just an understanding that our ancestors had towards death and that it was not entirely just Christianization.

04:44:30.900 If that was the case, I would think like perhaps if he was bringing up concepts of like lakes of fire and things of that nature, he might have – that might have been an overstep.

04:44:41.220 But that is not the case. And so I think it's worth noting that there's a power in an understanding that our ancestors, if they accept us, we can then move into sacred and held space.

04:44:55.640 But if we are rejected by that, then we find ourselves on Naustron crossing, you know, the river Gjöl and the river Slyðr and finding ourselves there with, you know, the serpents and the beasts of separation.

04:45:12.460 um so again uh the reason why i'm keying in on that is because a lot of i would say modern house

04:45:18.980 of true in in one of its follies as far as um i would say like not even house of true perhaps

04:45:24.200 norse paganism is um they have a tendency oh that's naughtiest christianization of

04:45:29.480 of the underworld and we don't have a place where there's like consequences and i would beg to 0.86

04:45:34.960 different yeah that's that's silly and it's part of the

04:45:42.640 maybe childlike is a better word um so in anything in any new endeavor in any great um

04:46:04.960 break from, uh, from the norm. There's a period of infancy where you start out and

04:46:17.780 are first, you know, literally like an infant or a child, you're first trying to get your

04:46:24.560 bearings on life and the world around you and it necessitates you know extremes and

04:46:35.680 kind of a flailing period where you're finding yourself and you're finding what's what

04:46:41.420 and then once you understand that as you grow and as you mature you move from that

04:46:46.120 well asa true in its infancy in its modern stage and the rebirth of asa true there was a need to

04:46:53.240 Anything that Christianity has, we can't have any point of commonality. 0.97

04:46:59.360 We have to be the opposite. 1.00

04:47:01.140 That's some of what I'd like to talk about when I do get to some of the side questions on LaVey and Crowley.

04:47:12.460 This isn't that.

04:47:13.740 no there's it's interesting that this is not a direct um reworking of hell but with viking

04:47:23.260 or of christian uh of sheol or tartarus but with a viking coat of paint

04:47:30.400 it's different and one of the key points and i mentioned before when we started this last week

04:47:37.660 at other times that there are multiple levels to our lore on the first most basic level

04:47:47.180 naustrand is

04:47:51.260 bad and foreboding and scary and there's snakes like dripping venom spit on you and it's gross

04:47:59.740 and it's miserable and it's cold and wolves are trying to eat people and it's it's

04:48:06.060 It's a messed up place you don't want to be.

04:48:09.420 We understand that.

04:48:10.400 The further and deeper understanding of it is it's a place of disillusion, dissolving, of breaking your components down into their fundamental pieces because it is a place of recycling.

04:48:27.500 Your soul, your you-ness, your ek, along with other parts of your you, are found so worthless that not only do you not have worth, but your existence is of negative value to our gods and our folk.

04:48:50.300 and your pieces are dissolved and literally recycled into something better than the creation that is slash was you.

04:49:03.760 We don't believe that's the fate of anyone who sins or anyone who falls short of the glory of the gods,

04:49:11.560 as other faiths might put it.

04:49:14.780 But that is for people who have defined themselves by their villainy, 0.92

04:49:18.760 who have defined themselves by their lack of character and their lack of behavior,

04:49:27.820 their behavior that is so far beyond the pale that their existence is a disgrace to our folk and our gods.

04:49:36.980 And it's one of the things you see a similar principle when you read Tacitus.

04:49:43.700 I know it's probably pronounced Tacitus, but it sounds funny.

04:49:47.120 He doesn't got good mouthfeel, and so we're going to call him Tacitus now just like we're going to call him Caesar and not Caesar, whatever I think the more appropriate Latin is.

04:49:58.660 Just sounds better.

04:50:00.100 Anyways, Tacitus, when he writes in Germania about how thieves and murderers and other folks are punished by their hung in trees for people to see as an example of, hey, this guy did something bad. 0.90

04:50:14.140 But certain things, and he mentions homosexuals and cowards, those who flee in the face of danger, that was so distasteful that, no, they put them in bogs because they didn't want to be reminded. 0.68

04:50:37.080 They were all made less by the reminder of those people's existence. 0.92

04:50:41.060 And so that's the idea here. There's other forms of you not getting rewarded in the afterlife. But if you're on the strand, you're being dissolved and repurposed into, you know, so your component parts can be used for something much more worth.

04:51:00.320 and this this idea of dissolving parts of the soul

04:51:07.400 does have crossover into subjects that other folks in the chat are talking about

04:51:14.120 in terms of hermeticism and other western magical tradition there is some overlap there and that's

04:51:20.760 one of the things i wanted to make sure we weren't being too too hard on folks that maybe

04:51:24.780 aren't coming at this from an house of true perspective

04:51:34.220 well it uh speaks here in in um uh stanza 40 and it's worth noting there is another

04:51:43.020 um poem uh comprised of called hawksbock in which they pull one of the stanzas uh stanza 44 and kind

04:51:51.420 of interlope it in here and so some scholars have um you know it's it's no it's worth noting that

04:51:59.020 at least in that one there is a mention of it but the the verses are moved and it's i think that's

04:52:05.740 again uh because in this part there's repetition being mentioned and verse 44 still doesn't

04:52:13.820 migrate away from the realm in which the vala is talking about the underworld so it doesn't

04:52:20.460 necessarily uh even kind of contradict anything in hauck's book but here you know it's it's pulled

04:52:29.180 in later but it's again a part of a repetition that is established when again saying the poem

04:52:35.900 and filling in sections of it with repetition in order to bridge to the next point in the

04:52:42.380 the verses is kind of what the poets are doing. But yeah, Auster sat in Altna i Irnvidhi.

04:52:56.060 So East sat in the old iron copses. Oh, did I? Yes. Oh, excuse me. Sorry. Sorry. I was

04:53:09.260 Thank you for catching me on that one.

04:53:12.280 Sorry, let's jump it back first real quick.

04:53:14.760 I was concentrating on that interpolation part

04:53:18.640 that I jumped ahead.

04:53:20.580 So there I saw wading through rivers wild,

04:53:23.380 the treacherous men and murderers too,

04:53:27.100 and the workers of ill with wives of men.

04:53:31.860 And again, that's an interesting one too,

04:53:33.480 Because when we, you know, when we talk about the bond, the bonded maidens that are, it's generally alluded to being like the trothful maidens of men, even though it's not outright, you know, mentioned.

04:53:56.800 it's it's spoken of is that these ladies are of the bonding of oaths and so therefore they are

04:54:02.400 wed women and um so that i you know i saw their wading through the rivers while and this again

04:54:10.480 is the referencing to gyal which is the the name gyal survives very much in our language like with

04:54:17.460 the word yelp and so it's like a crying out so it's the river of mournful cries and um you know

04:54:24.880 they're wading through. And in this is, you know, there's treacherous men, murderers, wanton

04:54:31.160 murderers, you know, ones that kill without any, you know, sense. And the workers of ill and

04:54:38.960 balefulness and, you know, and the treachery and cunning with bonded maidens. And there 1.00

04:54:47.160 Nidhokur

04:54:48.960 Nidhokur is 0.86

04:54:50.920 the 1.00

04:54:51.600 corpse

04:54:53.980 ripper or the

04:54:56.540 consumer in the

04:54:59.360 darkness

04:54:59.780 Nidh is kind of again

04:55:02.720 underneath, it survives in our language

04:55:05.360 with like nether or underneath

04:55:06.840 so he's like the nether

04:55:09.480 ripper

04:55:10.980 but again

04:55:13.280 also in relation to corpses

04:55:15.480 and i was often poetically called the corpse ripper because of the uh the souls washing up on

04:55:22.100 on nastron's beaches and so i think it's worth noting too like we had the one where it's like

04:55:28.100 oh snorty christianizes everything and there's that's just you know that's why you know helhan's

04:55:34.020 kind of a downer man is because he's a christian but on the other end i don't believe that there's

04:55:40.560 like the all of the divine and holy gods kind of descend into this underworld realm kind of measure

04:55:46.440 your soul um against a feather kind of uh thing and i have seen that alluded in places and i think

04:55:54.500 that what it does is um it negates out some of the obvious um things as a the gods you know

04:56:01.820 witnessing us as we live um and in essence marking our our fate the fact that they can

04:56:07.580 administer doom or boon is part of that is that they don't have to do that kind of in an end and

04:56:13.960 it matters with every individual soul um because again i think that is ultimately uh you know not

04:56:21.540 seen in our faith as a grand scale that gods aren't um you know waiting for your individual

04:56:28.180 soul to come down into hell guard so that they can you know pull out the feather scale or whatever

04:56:33.420 and listen to your lawyer, Fylke,

04:56:38.140 I think that kind of goes in a very different mode

04:56:41.880 than what we see throughout most Aryan ethos. 0.98

04:56:45.820 But what we do see is that the culmination is 0.74

04:56:50.020 the final crossing into the land of our ancestors

04:56:54.080 is ultimately held by our ancestors.

04:56:57.100 Because if it wasn't, what would be the point of addressing?

04:57:01.180 what would be the point of of giving piety and giving honor the idea is that you want to be

04:57:07.320 reunited with them and that they in essence have some extenuating power to perhaps exclude you

04:57:14.400 and you don't want to be in that that position you don't want to be marked by the gods because

04:57:19.600 of your ill deeds and you don't want to be you know outcast by your ancestors um but if if they

04:57:27.160 had no part and play in it, then in essence, I mean, obviously to honor is to honor, but the

04:57:33.400 idea again is that you want to be reconnecting them. You do not want to be judged by them as

04:57:38.900 well as being of ill repute to be a needling. And I think that's part of the siphoning. The reason

04:57:48.000 why the souls are moving around is that there's this filtration process to refine the might of

04:57:54.180 the souls of the folk and so um you know you see the uh wading through the rivers and their um

04:58:05.220 the their need hug need hogar the blood of the slain he sucks and the the wolf or the varkar

04:58:12.740 specifically the varkar tear men would you like to know more or you know would you would you know 0.55

04:58:19.940 yet more um the the vargar are kind of in my observation of the faith is that these souls that

04:58:30.100 pass through the thresholds of kill and slither are left with no recollection of perhaps themselves

04:58:37.540 but are mindless savage vargar and vargar has a lot of meaning vargar is a wolf vargar is an outlaw

04:58:48.100 it is both and so uh somebody who to be titled as such is not a good thing it's it's a bad thing

04:58:55.280 it's it's um you know and i think that like when we i know ultimately it's going to bring up the

04:59:00.620 point of perhaps um bark in the the persona on uh that he is is um again you know a lot of that

04:59:10.140 was built on the idea that um oh the society that we have now is is a foreign it's christian it's

04:59:17.300 it's terrible. And so excluding all of that, I'm going to be this kind of edge 0.93

04:59:21.320 walking, savage wolf. And, um, I can see that kind of in a way and even to today,

04:59:28.240 but it's again, eliminating the, the joy of order and, um, kind of ultimately working against it.

04:59:36.440 So I wouldn't, you know, want to carry that on if, if I, if I was him in his elder age,

04:59:43.220 you know um but again little little love for for modern world and again it's a modern battlefield

04:59:49.580 that we have to fight on with a lot of things going on and and a lot of people just kind of

04:59:53.820 like like him he just wants to tune it out stand against it so um in that you know the in that

05:00:02.300 nastron where need all good and the vargar are are chewing up the the souls and then in turn

05:00:08.860 making them into Varga again. And it's like, these are the, you know, a good equivalency of, of the, 0.96

05:00:15.500 like, um, foul spirits. Um, if you could use the Greek word demon in a way, um, of, of Naustron,

05:00:25.540 these, these savaging souls. And, um, then in the East, the giantess of old in Ironwood sat,

05:00:34.420 And

05:00:36.780 You know

05:00:37.940 Sorry, I read that wrong

05:00:40.140 Because in the Old Norse

05:00:42.480 It's east

05:00:43.560 Oster sat in Aldna

05:00:46.060 Irnveri

05:00:47.880 But in the English

05:00:50.040 Translation, the east is mentioned in the second

05:00:52.400 Line, so it throws me off a little bit

05:00:54.020 But

05:00:54.260 The

05:00:55.540 The

05:00:57.620 The Aldna 0.70

05:01:00.000 The elder being

05:01:02.900 Is of course

05:01:04.220 generally seen as the giantess, the, the Yotness, but it's not the word Yotnar is not used. It's

05:01:10.420 Altna, this elder thing. Um, and of course they're referring to, um, uh, um, by the gods,

05:01:22.500 I can't believe it. So it's like, I, I'm reading and had a, and had a complete and other, uh,

05:01:27.960 brain fart um the uh the bringer of bail the worker of of um i don't i guess because i don't

05:01:39.880 speak her name very often um oh chat help me out i need help i i can admit it um the mother of

05:01:55.460 Fenris and Jormungandr

05:01:58.520 and Hel

05:02:00.380 is

05:02:01.180 Angerboda

05:02:03.100 sorry I don't know if anybody answered it or not

05:02:06.540 I'm actually looking at something else

05:02:08.720 Angerboda

05:02:10.340 the breeder

05:02:12.540 of misfortune

05:02:14.060 and the bringer of

05:02:15.740 the bearing forth if you will

05:02:18.280 but let me see I want to see did anybody answer that

05:02:20.260 yes

05:02:21.840 Adam you got it sorry I wasn't

05:02:24.400 actually looking at the script or looking at the side. I wasn't looking at the chat script and

05:02:29.360 good job. Yeah. Everybody's hitting it. I'm sorry. I just didn't hit me right away. But yeah,

05:02:40.720 that's what this is referencing to is the Alda, the ancient being that resides in the East Woods

05:02:45.600 in the Ironwoods or Ironvidi is Angerboda. 0.99

05:02:51.400 She is the true and kind of opposite of Sigrun, 1.00

05:02:57.080 the bearer forth of the tripartite of woe, if you will. 1.00

05:03:03.380 Fenris being the most detrimental in heaven

05:03:06.540 and Jormungandr being the most static in the middle

05:03:09.360 and Hela being the most stasis and kind of unoffending in Helgard,

05:03:14.720 but given a kind of position of function and so you see it as kind of again the closer to heaven

05:03:20.560 the closer to the tree the closer to the roots the closer to the gods versus the farther away

05:03:25.980 and that is really about the dissipation of a cycle and she represents that dissipation so um

05:03:34.300 you know it says the giantess of old in ironwood sat in the east and bore the brood of fenrir

05:03:42.320 Now, this could, again, some people have suggested perhaps this is Fenrir with Engroboda, but most likely with the usage of the word kinder, it means of the like.

05:03:57.720 So in Fenrir, Fenrir means the dweller in the fens. Fenrir's kind, Fenrir's ilk is that of the wolf, is that of the destructor, the consumer.

05:04:12.940 and among these ones 0.86

05:04:15.360 in monster's guise

05:04:16.500 was soon to steal the sun from the sky

05:04:19.120 and this of course is

05:04:20.580 referring to

05:04:22.980 Hathi and Skjol

05:04:25.140 that are later to be

05:04:27.300 mentioned, they're mentioned in

05:04:29.040 Grimnismal and

05:04:30.120 they're

05:04:31.800 the consumers of the light

05:04:35.200 the sun and the moon

05:04:37.160 This is really

05:04:39.020 an important point

05:04:40.240 um what does school and Haiti mean okay so let's uh let me let me um go forth here

05:04:54.940 uh skull in is uh again the way that it's written is S-K-O with two dots over it

05:05:01.840 And I want to give the proper understanding, let's see, and hatti, again, referencing to consumption, but let's see here.

05:05:19.800 yeah so um

05:05:24.720 so

05:05:27.220 skull in the sense of

05:05:30.020 scornful loud

05:05:32.040 laughter

05:05:33.660 the idea of like

05:05:36.400 it's

05:05:38.420 the laughter in the back of the room

05:05:40.640 when you fall

05:05:41.360 I threw that out there

05:05:46.160 as a

05:05:47.500 as a bit of a rhetorical device because i know the answer because it's really important

05:05:53.340 but the idea of mockery there's something said about somebody who complains

05:06:02.420 but there's a further level of mockery and making fun of making light of laughing when

05:06:14.240 those who try to do good things stumble and yeah the other literally means one who hates

05:06:26.100 the haters as it were

05:06:28.640 this is profound we see this in also true we see this in

05:06:37.320 pro-white circles that we are in all of the time and the truth plays out

05:06:46.640 the biggest element that seeks to ravenously devour any light and good that we have

05:06:59.140 are those that sit on the sidelines and criticize and hate on everything you try to do

05:07:08.740 and mock everyone who makes an effort this is the norse way of describing the crab in the bucket

05:07:19.020 in a profound and very meaningful way

05:07:24.100 my

05:07:30.740 my favorite

05:07:32.580 so I'm trying to

05:07:34.960 I wish you could find the text

05:07:37.060 because it's

05:07:38.460 it means the world to me

05:07:40.940 but one of the most meaningful

05:07:42.720 quotations

05:07:46.680 I suppose

05:07:47.940 is

05:07:52.100 is Teddy Roosevelt's Man in the Arena speech, because it's always meant a lot to me personally,

05:08:05.220 and it's really profound. And I think it encapsulates so much of what we talk about

05:08:14.860 regularly so much of the struggle of the afa over the decades now so much of the things that

05:08:28.220 that we all deal with and very specifically this concept and it's one of the bigger you know

05:08:37.260 The themes that I talk about is the idea that Auschwitz is about doing and not about thinking, and that it's very, very easy for people in mom's basement to criticize, but it's much, much harder to be out there doing and making things happen.

05:08:58.680 But this has always been so meaningful to me, the idea that the devouring forces of chaos that seek to swallow the sun and swallow the moon are the haters and mockery, literally the critics.

05:09:16.360 And so indulge me.

05:09:20.260 This is a part of Teddy Roosevelt's Citizen in the Republic speech.

05:09:27.320 Hold on one second.

05:09:28.680 Good night, baby. I love you. Can I get a hug?

05:09:34.820 I love you, too. Sorry about that.

05:09:39.420 All right.

05:09:40.620 So, Teddy says,

05:09:43.760 It's not the critic who counts,

05:09:45.920 not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles,

05:09:49.960 or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.

05:09:53.560 The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,

05:09:57.220 whose face is marred by dust and sweat blood who strives valiantly who errs who comes up short

05:10:07.360 again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcoming but who does

05:10:13.660 actually strive to do the deeds who knows great enthusiasms the great devotions who spends

05:10:22.220 himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement,

05:10:30.720 and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall

05:10:37.200 never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. Shame on the

05:10:44.720 man of cultivated taste who lets refinement to develop in his fastidiousness that unfits him

05:10:51.480 for doing the rough work of the of the workday world um

05:11:00.120 we talk in also true one of the things that you'll encounter time and again is that we are our deeds

05:11:07.160 there are a great many that search for any excuse not to do not to accomplish not to make deeds

05:11:14.040 happen in the world. One of the things that we've seen is the struggle to stay one step ahead of

05:11:22.300 the critics, one step ahead of the naysayers, one step ahead of the armchair quarterbacks who

05:11:30.680 always have something to say, but never have anything to show for it. And this may seem like

05:11:38.260 a strange aside, but it's a really important theme. And that's what I'm trying to jump on

05:11:43.400 in the Velospa as it's setting the tone

05:11:45.760 for the rest of our series that we're doing on this.

05:11:49.080 The theme of staying one step ahead

05:11:51.760 of the jaws of the wolf.

05:11:54.260 I always go back to the name of the program,

05:11:56.980 but that's why it's called Victory Never Sleeps,

05:11:59.500 is you can't let your guard down even for a second.

05:12:02.840 Because if you do, the wolf is at your heels

05:12:06.200 trying to devour you.

05:12:07.440 our big good versus evil split

05:12:14.740 in Auschwitz is order versus chaos

05:12:16.980 but the continuation of order is an action

05:12:22.460 and when you rest, entropy sets in

05:12:26.280 the act of not doing

05:12:30.180 leads to destruction

05:12:32.440 because the forces that surround us of chaos

05:12:35.740 are always there with gaping ma one step behind us if we stop if we get lazy if we get full of

05:12:44.820 ourselves if we rest on our laurels we are devoured we always have to stay one step ahead

05:12:52.360 of the wolf and i just thought this is a poignant reminder of that and it sets a tone for the rest

05:13:00.120 of our war yeah the scoffing um i've often spoke about that too is like the cynicism is the death

05:13:12.700 of uh in of a lot of things that are trying to be built up it's it's a destructive force

05:13:19.860 you always find a bunch of people building and focusing on inward and doing and creating and

05:13:26.600 organizing and building that structure and then you'll find the one off on the side scoffing the

05:13:32.600 one that that doesn't have true criticism but will just try to pick apart or create something or

05:13:38.920 create a straw man or or simply just kind of gaslight you into believing one way and that

05:13:44.600 is the scoffing cynicism that oftentimes plagues modern um perhaps with the with the uh the um

05:13:52.840 I'm an entity of, of, uh, of the internet that creates that, that scoffing this, but, uh, I remember somebody saying that, and this is something that made me think about this, the nature of scoffing and hatred kind of in hand in hand.

05:14:13.160 but one often is the visual and the other is like the hidden, um, intent is, uh, I remember

05:14:19.660 somebody saying that, uh, uh, in comparison to some of the victories that we've gained

05:14:24.900 in the, uh, Auschwitz folk assembly that, uh, they said, uh, oh, well, Christianity churches

05:14:31.660 are everywhere. That doesn't make them good or something like that. Or Christianity is everywhere

05:14:36.240 and that doesn't make it good and kind of trying to again scoff against the the achievements that

05:14:43.760 have been attained and and ultimately the the struggles that have been in order to make those

05:14:50.000 but simply just looking at the uh the the end results oh well the end results if you've got

05:14:56.560 glory and you've got victories that you know there's other people that have it too so that

05:15:01.120 doesn't mean that it's you know and that's this is the thing i just want to relate and i this is not

05:15:07.680 because i'm clever or because this was a sick burn but it's

05:15:14.400 posted a picture a while back of gothy rob stam at thorshoff doing a children's bloat with the

05:15:24.480 children and somebody on twitter felt that that was an appropriate thing to criticize and talk

05:15:33.200 about how that place looks soulless and whatever whatever nonsense they said 0.95

05:15:43.120 and i wasn't trying to be a jerk i was trying to put it in perspective and i said you know 0.98

05:15:47.440 okay please show me you know a picture of how your children do bloat in one of your 0.80

05:15:58.640 Hoffs so I can see it you know so I can see how to do it right well I didn't what I meant what

05:16:06.220 I really meant was okay you know that's the thing I the AFA is not above criticism I personally

05:16:16.660 and certainly not above criticism.

05:16:20.080 I am a great distance from perfection.

05:16:26.920 But if one's going to criticize,

05:16:30.040 let's have a suggestion of what we could do

05:16:33.640 to move forward better.

05:16:36.460 If you're going to come against us

05:16:40.140 as if we've got it all wrong and you've got it all right,

05:16:43.420 then certainly you have something to show for it that is comparable or is greater

05:16:54.560 so we can all figure it out and move forward together.

05:16:58.200 It's not about being free from any criticism.

05:17:04.260 There's time for just and right criticism.

05:17:07.260 But there's a certain segment of folks that think that criticism in and of itself is a noble deed, and it's not.

05:17:18.920 It's a lack of deeds.

05:17:25.000 There's stuff, and I noticed in the room earlier, like, I'm not ignorant, I'm not unaware, and I don't think the other people in here aren't either.

05:17:33.980 Absolutely, when you're done with the program, if you want,

05:17:36.620 Google about sewers in New York and crazy stuff if I'm in today.

05:17:40.900 It's there. It exists. It's just not what we do.

05:17:45.600 All of the thought that there's other groups of people out there holding us down,

05:17:51.620 sometimes there are.

05:17:52.940 But what I see daily are our own people holding us down through defeatism, through mockery, and through just petty, nitpicky criticism.

05:18:12.140 if half of that energy was put towards you know putting your shoulder to the wheel and pushing

05:18:21.380 and making this go forward it's amazing where we would be we'll get there eventually but we

05:18:29.260 would get there a lot faster with folks helping out instead of you know me me me me nonsense

05:18:36.900 sense. If you've got a better idea, cool. Better yet, if you've got something you're doing that's

05:18:42.620 better, let us know. We'll get behind it. But if you don't, get on the team. Help push. Let's

05:18:47.640 make stuff happen. And correct me, we're moving on to 41. Yes, I tend to hijack these. That's

05:19:02.140 I didn't want to skip, but I mean, again, very poignant parts.

05:19:09.520 And I think perhaps bringing to light things that have merit,

05:19:17.580 especially in the olden times to now, worth noting.

05:19:24.740 Let's see here.

05:19:26.280 There feeds he full on the flesh of the dead

05:19:29.160 And the home of the gods

05:19:32.240 He reddens with gore

05:19:34.080 And so

05:19:36.400 This of course

05:19:40.880 To referencing

05:19:42.200 To Fenris

05:19:46.780 And the idea of

05:19:47.780 The idea of the

05:19:49.460 Tainting of heaven

05:19:51.000 By

05:19:52.500 The chaos wolf

05:19:55.000 By the Fenris

05:19:55.920 By the dweller of the Fen

05:19:57.680 um but it's you know it's again some people could take it to that it's also in reference to

05:20:07.840 need hogar but the uh the home of the gods is the key one he reddens with gore i think that is the

05:20:16.080 again a resurgence of or a returning of fenris to his home where he was raised which is

05:20:27.120 the heavenly abode. And dark grows the sun. And in summer soon come mighty storms. Would you know

05:20:37.000 yet more? So now we begin to look at both Ragnarok in the coming of the forces against the gods and

05:20:46.480 of kind of natural perhaps um indications so um you know it's when when the time is to come

05:21:00.080 there the the the one the red sullied chest of fenris the one who who you know besmirched the

05:21:07.760 gods with his, with his, um, wantonness is now return. It is well return and the sky will grow

05:21:15.980 dark, uh, and the storms will come. And, um, some people have gone into even like literalizing that

05:21:23.700 like in the summertime, there'll be great storms and then we'll come the fimble winter of three.

05:21:29.800 And so I I'm not, um, you know, putting that forth or anything like that, but it's just,

05:21:35.580 And it's interesting how the referencing of time is used, and specifically summer.

05:21:41.660 Summer does, you know, come the mighty storms.

05:21:45.760 And this one is interesting, too.

05:21:51.100 So now we get into Egthor.

05:21:56.860 On a hill there sat and smote on his harp, Egthor the joyous, the giant's warder.

05:22:05.000 So this, again, I think is referencing to the edge bound, perhaps the one who presides over the edges of Jotunheim, but apparently in the usage of the harp, I think that this is giving denote to perhaps a terrible sound.

05:22:28.000 his name means is is the like the edge cut um that which is you know sliced and um he is you 0.92

05:22:40.240 know joyous though he's the warder of the yotnar and um he sits uh above him there is a a cock

05:22:50.160 in the birdwood crowned fair and red did fjallar fjallar stand and so what's going on right now

05:22:58.260 is the mentioning of the resounding sounds there is the mention of the roosters in one in heaven

05:23:08.460 one in midgard and one in the the world below and why again it's so important to emphasize

05:23:14.800 the placement of the tripartite,

05:23:19.320 the upper, the middle, the lower.

05:23:20.880 It's consistently emphasized

05:23:23.700 over and over and over again.

05:23:25.440 And this, again, is the sounding of...

05:23:28.180 In the east comes the baying

05:23:33.100 of the cock that crows,

05:23:35.240 that now is the time 0.58

05:23:36.600 in which the end of the gods is nigh

05:23:38.780 and the jotuns are to amass.

05:23:41.800 And then, of course, in heaven,

05:23:44.800 so it goes uh you know in 42 there's the jotun who sits on the edge and he takes to note that

05:23:51.840 the uh the the uh crows in jotunheim and just as the same it appears again with uh lord heimdall

05:24:03.440 that the uh and there then the gods crowed gulden combi or golden comb

05:24:10.800 and he wakes the heroes in odin's hall or in valhall and beneath the earth does another crow

05:24:18.120 a rust red bird at the bars or the the gates of hell and it's the the the crow is the there

05:24:27.560 the cock that is that crows in helgard is not mentioned by name and i have seen poetic usages

05:24:36.520 of it some people say because of the rust red uh you know it's the salt rather the sooty red

05:24:44.440 um like chicken or rooster honey uh the salt router um he is soot red black red and um some

05:24:56.120 people i've taken poetically to call them roider combi or bloder combi blood red comb or but those

05:25:05.400 are poetic usages not found in the lore just simply is not named um in 43 it just says salt

05:25:16.120 um sooty red um in 44 it says now garm and remember this was the interpolation that

05:25:23.800 happened in hawksbock where it was back at 40 um but now garmer howls loud at nipahel at the at the

05:25:34.840 gates at the the entry point and the fetters that hold him will burst and the wolf runs for

05:25:44.200 now uh is this reference to the wolf being garmer most likely not it's probably a reference to

05:25:51.160 fenris because garmer was kind of seen as a hound and not as a wolf but a lot of people do kind of

05:25:57.560 make that mistake um or or you know make that connection i should say uh but it's no he's

05:26:04.040 howling and the gates of of that which is dissipated that which we never come back from

05:26:09.240 is now um shuddering and he's howling and then fenris is loosened from his his uh chains in the

05:26:18.920 east in the black lake you know where his slobber is poisoning the water that flows into the middle

05:26:25.720 world and the the sword that in his mouth in his mouth is pulled um and you know it's uh the um

05:26:38.920 the the wolf runs free much do i know and more can see of the fate of the gods the mighty in fight

05:26:45.480 and so now begins the the onslaught of uh ragnarok brothers shall fight

05:26:54.520 and fell each other and sister's son shall kinship stain so and this is

05:27:01.580 there's a lot of interpretation in this one and i really like the way he worded it because

05:27:07.060 i have seen some other ones where it's like you know uh um perhaps the idea is like brothers and

05:27:14.760 sisters will, will lay together. Um, I, you know, and the, and again, that, that is one of the

05:27:22.080 interpretations of kin, staining the kinship is the sanctity of, of, of that. And that just the

05:27:28.040 absolute and wanton kind of immoral sense. But, um, and that's a tendency where I take it,

05:27:36.620 but again, I want to be honest with it is, is that, you know, the, the, um, the kinship of

05:27:43.140 the folk uh in just in general is is also being torn asunder there's there's no peace

05:27:52.060 to be had between uh the folk and they fight each other and they fell each other 0.99

05:27:57.640 um hard it is on the earth with mighty whoredom uh and that's the one i wanted to to really look 0.99

05:28:06.380 up, but we'll get to that in a second, but it's an ax time, a sword time, shields are sundered, 1.00

05:28:13.800 wind time, wolf time. And again, in the translation is old is an age. So it could be easily just said

05:28:22.820 ax age, sword age, or a time like an epoch or an epic. It's the epoch of the ax, the epoch of the

05:28:30.700 sword. It's the winding age. It's the wolfing age. Ere the world falls, nor ever shall men

05:28:38.080 each other spare. A great time of war and strife, where all bonds between marriage and kinship are

05:28:47.640 stained, and

05:28:49.580 there's no return.

05:28:57.640 Yeah, so

05:28:59.000 let me see here,

05:29:01.500 where we were on that one.

05:29:04.200 Yeah, so the 0.72

05:29:05.060 Hordom,

05:29:07.840 the Hordom,

05:29:10.160 the great Hordom,

05:29:11.600 Mikil, Mikil is the great,

05:29:13.700 so it is the

05:29:15.240 that kind of sense of wantonness or the destitution, the immoral.

05:29:27.200 And again, a lot of people try to throw this, that Snorri's just, 0.85

05:29:30.380 oh, there he goes being a Christian again.

05:29:32.740 But I mean, the word is clearly in relation to whoredom is an Anglo-Saxon word. 0.98

05:29:39.020 Hordormr is, of course, an Old Norse word.

05:29:42.600 It's not something where he's like, you know, stating stuff about Sodom and Gomorrah or something from the Bible.

05:29:48.900 I mean, he's it is known. It is a word that can quantify a thing.

05:29:52.800 And that thing is, again, wantonness and an immoral impropriety. 0.98

05:29:58.820 And that's why I often say, you know, it's like, again, Ausatru is a moral religion. 0.97

05:30:03.760 And in the way it frames itself is based on order.

05:30:07.340 And anything against order is ultimately immoral, not necessarily saying unnatural, because disorder happens in nature quite often.

05:30:15.900 And there's much that can be said in nature that is natural, but we would never do it.

05:30:22.060 And so we always stick to the to the premise of morality versus whether it's, you know, happens in nature or it's natural.

05:30:33.980 No, there is immoralness that is worth to be noted.

05:30:40.520 And that is that that is this time, the time that is it.

05:30:43.500 So it's making kind of a reference to the prophecy of the of the earth being filled with strife and immorality or immoral behavior.

05:30:53.260 And brothers and sisters are and there's no kidship that that's sanctified anymore.

05:31:02.220 and so everything begins to dissolve and the hierarchy of life begins to break down

05:31:07.980 i think that's a really truly kind of powerful everybody seems to mention or or remember this

05:31:14.860 stanza in particular you know the axe age the the sword age the wind age the wolf age that's such a

05:31:22.300 very powerful um usage even when we translate it to our language it has a very very powerful point

05:31:29.980 But again, we see that because the perennial truths of our stories is that, again, it's not perhaps stating any but all times like that and all ages like that, that we can see these cycles pass through.

05:31:47.760 So I don't know if it denotes to a singular thing or singular time.

05:31:52.320 and uh brings us elaborate on uh that does bring us to the end yeah i wanted to

05:32:09.200 so i went in and uh said good night to my daughter and i got back in time to catch swan's bit about

05:32:16.960 just because it could possibly be found in nature doesn't make it the natural order of things

05:32:25.120 and i think that harkens back to what i was saying earlier the rule is based on

05:32:33.760 the commonality not based on the one exception or the one outlier mutation exists freaks exist

05:32:44.160 but the reason freaks are interesting and we you know marvel at them or are disgusted by them or

05:32:55.040 have a strange reaction to them is they deviate from the norm and from what is the right order

05:33:03.140 of nature certainly you find um deviations in nature that occur and we marvel at them because

05:33:15.140 they are so odd in their occurrence just because something could possibly be found in nature

05:33:23.860 doesn't make it quote unquote natural natural refers to the natural order of things and how

05:33:32.020 things are supposed to work and how things optimally work um the disruptions we see in

05:33:39.860 nature are often omens of calamity and bad things

05:33:45.140 Svon, are you ready to start part three of the Volusbou?

05:34:00.920 Yes, my alzheiragothi, I am ready.

05:34:05.140 Proceed. 0.77

05:34:07.140 Proceed.

05:34:09.320 Well, okay.

05:34:10.660 So we're, we are moving into the last and final part.

05:34:17.440 Let's see.

05:34:18.620 We're.

05:34:21.840 Okay.

05:34:22.660 So just to kind of catch up a little bit, I believe we're all on stanza 51.

05:34:30.180 Correct.

05:34:30.660 um let me just double check that again because i think we ended on

05:34:39.620 46. ah dang it i'm all i'm like five ahead

05:34:44.400 um okay so

05:34:49.580 now uh this this is truly an interesting uh

05:34:57.900 stanza because of the usage of the words the the plurals of sun the fast move the sons of mim

05:35:07.380 and fate is heard in the note of yellow horn so the second line in that is pretty clear we know

05:35:17.900 about the referencing of the sounding of yellow horn yellow horn again if people were to wonder

05:35:26.540 and i've made mention of it before with the river gyal the the river gyal and the word

05:35:33.900 have the same root to mean like to yelp or to cry out in this case you know gyal is more of a

05:35:44.040 resounding the resounding horner or the the horn of great calling and this is clear but that first

05:35:50.580 line fast moves the sons of mim and fate so there's a lot of debate as to exactly

05:36:03.940 who this is is relating to especially in in the fact that mimir is not mentioned as having

05:36:11.300 uh children um some people have thought that this might just simply mean the gods themselves

05:36:19.060 uh others have correlated it to be jotins that the idea that mimir is especially under snorri

05:36:28.860 snorri didn't do a lot to align um the gods he didn't see the gods as you know tribal alliances

05:36:38.360 or it really the way we see them is is you know in correlation to their dominion and the power

05:36:45.380 that they have and that anybody that aligns themselves with the dominion of the gods is in

05:36:49.780 essence an aus of some way shape or form whether they're a beloved one or they're actually an aus

05:36:56.220 or an aus is you know that that's the hierarchy um so some people have taken this to mean that

05:37:04.900 the you know the sons of mim might have been in relation to the idea of the jotuns um i don't

05:37:12.980 have a huge take on this. Um, I think that, and I don't say this very often, um,

05:37:25.720 occasionally the, the writing of the Adas and the poems, there's a couple of

05:37:31.940 like logistical errors in which things aren't quite expounded on because there's not enough

05:37:40.780 space or time. Sometimes I look at it as does the context of the audience, does the audience

05:37:46.740 understand it? And maybe we don't. That could be the case with this line, but it could also

05:37:53.900 be a misnomer of placement. We don't know if Snorty or even our ancestors really understood

05:38:07.220 or placed a heavy emphasis on Mimir and say the concepts of time as more or less a, you know,

05:38:15.820 a part of the whole kind of painting the story with words. So, I mean, I would say most likely

05:38:24.840 they're referring to the Jotunar because of everything that's happening in the poem.

05:38:30.440 And, you know, we talk now about the Jotuns. We talk now about the accursed dead and the sons of Muspel. And so all of the chaotic forces are now in motion. And because of that motion, he who can see at great distance, he pulls his horn, holds it aloft, and sounds it. 0.96

05:39:00.440 and and this uh these these next two parts obviously he sounds it but that last line

05:39:06.020 in fear quake all who on hell's roads are so

05:39:11.060 that's an interesting one because in the uh old Norse it says

05:39:19.820 So the mention of Hell's Roads is actually kind of, I think, a part on Bellows, you know, issue is that he kind of added in there the idea of the dead looking up and kind of seeing and hearing the sound of the resounding of heaven.

05:39:49.820 You know, but in there, you know, he, he holds up or he gives out the call of his horn aloft.

05:39:58.420 And I really, let me see, because I've always, you know, when we talk about Mims Hallwood and Hallwood in relation to, I'm going to look into that just as we're going.

05:40:19.820 but um this 46 this stanza in particular is truly an interesting one and I think that a lot of

05:40:29.020 translators have issues with it and they try to understand um or make you know use of it that all

05:40:36.800 the stuff about Heimdall is very clear and understood but the sons of of uh Mimir or Mim

05:40:43.480 And also the Old Norse version of the stanza doesn't equate those on Hell's Road being, you know, called forth or hearing the sound.

05:41:02.120 I'm really like, it's throwing me off and I'm like, I want to look up something.

05:41:06.240 So I want to see because of one thing in particular.

05:41:08.200 But what we're getting right now is, again, the story is starting to take its zenith point.

05:41:20.680 The zenith point is really, I think, all the movement.

05:41:24.500 And the Valla is talking about the unknown at this point.

05:41:30.100 She's speaking to Lord Odin in a projected sense of what will come.

05:41:35.640 Now, it's worth noting that I think our ancestors and by design, the gods, you know, project an idea of hope.

05:41:49.060 There's a sliver of hope in this is that for us, the future is not projected, but is a cumulative events of will.

05:41:59.780 and so that which is not is basically a projection like someone pulling back an arrow or pulling back

05:42:10.360 a bowstring with an arrow in it you can project the idea of where it will fly based on when it

05:42:18.240 is loose but it's not fully there yet and there's a lot of things that can happen along the way

05:42:24.520 And I think that's the key point as to why Lord Odin is doing what he's doing. And I mean that in a very real sense. I'm not, I'm not speaking about that in a hypothetical is I think that a lot of people have a tendency to forget that Lord Odin isn't just the Faustian caveat.

05:42:40.600 He isn't just the archetypal mindset that a lot of people have.

05:42:46.200 It's that Odin is actively doing things in order to, again, change the direction of or at least prolong the projection of the Vala's prophecy.

05:43:00.880 And this is where we start to move into that.

05:43:04.340 This is the arrow in flight, if you will, but possibly changed by the wind.

05:43:09.060 you know, there's a lot going on here. Um, so when we move to 47, uh, it says Yggdrasil shakes

05:43:24.480 and shiver on high, the ancient limbs and the giant is loose. Now it, again, that part there

05:43:37.340 is interesting because in the Norse

05:43:39.400 it says

05:43:40.300 it is

05:43:49.440 the

05:43:50.340 giant as in like

05:43:53.560 humanity

05:43:55.180 the usage of that word

05:43:57.240 I don't think it's specifically

05:43:59.000 talking about a

05:44:01.260 giant unless there's

05:44:03.420 something lost in there and maybe later

05:44:05.280 on in other

05:44:06.060 Or in other contexts, perhaps it is talking about Loki himself or Surtr, but it doesn't quite, you know, focus on that.

05:44:24.680 And I've always taken that to mean more of like the Jotun losnar. 0.85

05:44:29.660 The Jotun are the giant is loose is kind of an overall statement of the forces of chaos have now come unbound. 0.99

05:44:40.720 So here we have Yggdrasil shakes and shivers on high. 0.92

05:44:48.300 The ancient limbs and the giant is loose.

05:44:51.240 To the head of Mim

05:44:53.580 Does Odin give heed

05:44:56.440 So here is a point

05:44:58.000 That I think really emphasizes

05:44:59.960 The dynamicism of Lord Odin

05:45:04.000 Is that he immediately transfers

05:45:05.860 Through realms

05:45:06.820 And enters the realm of chaos

05:45:09.980 As it is now starting to boil

05:45:12.360 And bubble

05:45:14.100 He goes into

05:45:15.780 The depths and the secret places

05:45:17.840 Within the realm of chaos

05:45:19.620 Um, and then it says here, you know, but, but the kids, the kinsmen of Surt shall slay him soon.

05:45:32.380 And again, most people would, you know, um, begin to wonder, well, okay, how is the kinsmen of Surt?

05:45:39.920 If Fenris is the slayer of Odin, how is Fenris a kinsman of Surt?

05:45:49.620 And that makes a very interesting point.

05:45:55.880 Again, I think there is a huge amount of clerical errors in relation to connecting the dots, especially in this part.

05:46:06.360 And it kind of paints the entirety of everything happening with a sense of uncertainty, even though I think it wasn't done on purpose.

05:46:15.000 I think it was done accidentally.

05:46:19.620 Again, this brings up a lot of the, I've heard a lot of discussions about how Lord Odin is perhaps slain by an unprojected, and I mean this in the sense that people haven't quite found a solid answer,

05:46:39.360 But have thought of or perhaps levied an idea that Lord Odin is slain by a Jotun or a kinsman of Surt

05:46:50.660 Whereas perhaps Fenris is more a meeting of which Lord Tyr has to finish his cycle

05:47:01.060 Because again, a lot of people have keyed in on the idea that it's odd that Lord Tyr faces off with Gorm

05:47:08.060 and lord odin faces off with fenris and here they're mentioning the you know the kinsmen of

05:47:13.120 cert and um you know either this was just seen as uh another agent of the jotnar or of the

05:47:24.920 entirety of the chaos and that that's what binds them is that now they're you know enemies of the

05:47:30.440 gods and so any enemy of the gods is a kinsman to each other i mean we could read it into that

05:47:36.720 And I don't exactly know how far we can stretch it.

05:47:42.200 But there's, I think, a clear sense of there's framing and leaning here in order to create, I think, connective points while also maintaining poetic correction or correct like meter and correct, you know, linguistic holdings.

05:48:04.600 And so these two stanzas are extremely interesting when we look at them, and there's a lot to pick apart.

05:48:19.500 You know, I'm especially – like I'm looking here, and I want to see, but we're going to continue on because I just wanted to bring up points.

05:48:30.080 The other thing is, it's not necessarily to explain all things within the poem as it is to entice everyone listening to look at the poems, look at some of the translations, look how the translators may have turned things or shifted things in order to create their interpretations in a better light.

05:48:53.980 Um, you know, as, as we, you know, go through, I'm in, I'm beckoning people to look at these

05:49:02.560 stanzas and try to figure them out and try to, uh, you know, take in their own, um,

05:49:10.340 conceptualizations. I'm trying to state general arguments throughout, um, that have been made

05:49:17.880 some that I've heard some that I've read about some that have been discussed, um, you know,

05:49:23.580 throughout either the lore within the Gothar or the lore within, you know, just peer studies in relation to this.

05:49:36.680 And again, you know, there's the, you know, connection between these two.

05:49:43.660 The last line in Fearquake All, Who on Hell's Roads Are, whereas the last, you know, line in Old Norse is,

05:49:54.040 And that is not the, you know, the direct correlation.

05:50:03.620 So these two are truly interesting.

05:50:09.680 But we see now that Lord Odin moves his way towards the well of mim

05:50:18.760 The well of memory

05:50:20.060 Of all actions that have come

05:50:22.200 And all things

05:50:23.580 And now is, in essence, seeing the motion of which things are going

05:50:27.460 And the Vala asks in 48

05:50:31.960 How fair the gods?

05:50:35.060 The Ausum

05:50:35.720 You know, kvad er med Ausum?

05:50:39.680 how fares the gods how fares the elves all of Jotunheim groans and the gods are at council

05:50:55.140 they hold althinki they're holding council and trying to again um project their their next move

05:51:04.880 at the well of earth

05:51:06.960 in heaven

05:51:08.240 loud roars 1.00

05:51:11.260 the dwarves 0.71

05:51:12.100 by the doors of stone

05:51:15.660 and again

05:51:16.740 the gates

05:51:19.080 the gates in which they're

05:51:21.300 talking about is most likely the gates

05:51:23.480 of Nidavellr but

05:51:25.060 you know when we talk about the

05:51:27.660 the 1.00

05:51:28.080 Dvergar

05:51:30.100 the Svartalf 0.93

05:51:32.000 we're talking about them

05:51:34.820 beseeching the threshold of the material the masters of the rocks would you would you know

05:51:45.380 yet or more so here now we start we're seeing linguistic and poetic placement of the gods

05:51:52.400 lord odin is moving the gods are gathering to counsel again it's been stated that the gods

05:51:57.860 hold their counsel at the well of erg in heaven so we know now that if the gods are holding

05:52:06.380 counsel they're holding counsel at the well of time and its creation um so all of creation is

05:52:13.780 kind of churning right now the only one i would say that's notably lost in these stanzas is

05:52:21.040 what's happening in vanaheim which is just an interesting point or perhaps the idea is again

05:52:29.380 poetics doesn't allow it i mean they mentioned the elves they mentioned jotunheim and they've

05:52:34.840 mentioned you know uh nivelheim and they mentioned svartalfan but nothing of vanaheim and i i think

05:52:42.960 that the ultimate understanding of that is that vanaheim is much too akin on the middle world

05:52:50.860 as Yggdrasil is to the whole of creation.

05:52:54.720 It is that life spark, that place of starting.

05:52:58.920 And I don't think that, you know, that place goes away.

05:53:01.840 And I think that it's worth pondering and conceptualizing.

05:53:08.580 We talk about Yggdrasil and its shakenness,

05:53:12.000 but it does in its own form and heaven itself survive,

05:53:18.520 even though everything is wiped.

05:53:20.860 And of the middle worlds, most pointedly is that the Vanaheim survives, and that in the lower, Helheim itself survives as well, almost like an encapsulation point.

05:53:40.540 So each of the three levels in the Aryan mythos have like an encapsulation place, and each one of those things holds its place, its point.

05:53:56.200 So this is – in stanza 49, there is a mentioning that we will see again.

05:54:06.040 this is um this is a a repeating um in which you know out lies out cries out um garm the the hound

05:54:19.240 of the dead the hound of hell um the the hell hound is at the gates and it is baying out because

05:54:27.880 things are loosening and the fetters will burst and the wolf will run free so you know this again

05:54:34.280 referencing clearly to fenris but also to all fetters and the fetters will burst in the idea

05:54:42.200 that even garm's place of keeping and containing things is lost so helgard opens up jotenheim

05:54:53.720 opens up and even heaven is opened up and all the fetters and all the bindings all the gates

05:55:00.520 All the thresholds are loosened.

05:55:04.880 The rivers are shaking and the gates are thrown asunder, thrown open.

05:55:13.480 And she says, much do I know and more can I see of the fates of the gods and mighty in fight.

05:55:21.920 And so she speaks here of Ragnarok.

05:55:26.920 And in the Old Norse.

05:55:29.640 And again, that is truly the, it's the regency, if you will, of the powers, of mighty powers.

05:55:42.220 So it is the inevitable, it is the fate of the mighty powers as they are coming to be tied and they're coming to be wound towards their doom.

05:55:52.740 Here we have mention in stanza 50

05:55:59.660 Hrim is how it's pronounced

05:56:02.940 From the east comes Hrim

05:56:07.940 With shield held high

05:56:09.960 Now it's worth noting that the word Hrim

05:56:13.920 Means cracked with age

05:56:16.500 Or to become decrepit

05:56:19.840 Or to become aged

05:56:21.380 And again, you see repeatedly Jotunheim is often kind of seen as a place where time ends or time breaks apart. It's that threshold between the world of man and the underworld, and that is kind of where time dissipates.

05:56:39.620 That's why Mimir's well is there. And again, I think it applies here with Primr and his agedness, the agedness of his cracking and coming to an older state. 0.71

05:56:53.280 Again, the Jotunar are always seen as elder beings or beings that have been around like the mountains, and that's kind of how the jump came into them being giants.

05:57:06.940 But the elderness of them is oftentimes, I think, lost, and his name really holds true to it.

05:57:17.060 And he comes from the east with his shield held high.

05:57:20.300 This, of course, means ready to battle. He's, he's generally seen as, you know, the strength of the gods is rallying behind. I mean, it's the strengths of the giants is rallying behind him. So his shield is held high and he's, he is ready.

05:57:35.160 And, you know, in the strength of the gods

05:57:40.100 Does the serpent writhe

05:57:43.040 In the giant wrath

05:57:44.520 The word yatun modhi is the word that is used

05:57:49.020 And that would, again, correlate to the ancient strength of the jotunar

05:57:56.640 Their being

05:57:58.180 And in that strength soon comes about the twisting or the writhing

05:58:04.340 or the curdling edges of the serpent writhe.

05:58:11.360 And again, this is, you know, speaking of Jormungandr.

05:58:17.940 And it's not mentioned in the English translation,

05:58:21.460 but it is in the Old Norse.

05:58:26.260 So, you know, from the east comes Hrim with shield held high.

05:58:31.340 And here we have 1.00

05:58:33.140 So the writhing Jormungandr 1.00

05:58:49.160 Is of 1.00

05:58:51.240 Great Jotun strength 0.90

05:58:53.580 Or is of Jotun strength

05:58:54.720 So it's really interesting when we see these translations

05:58:57.240 Because it doesn't make a lot of sense

05:58:59.160 In English

05:59:00.260 the way that it's directly written, and it has to be kind of contextualized.

05:59:06.780 And then again, what does it exactly mean in Jotun strength?

05:59:12.140 So, you know, again, in ancient and great strength.

05:59:19.320 I'm getting a little echo.

05:59:22.400 We're still doing that?

05:59:24.980 Let's see.

05:59:29.260 Okay.

05:59:30.260 And we're still doing audio, correct?

05:59:38.240 Okay.

05:59:40.700 So.

05:59:47.820 All right.

05:59:50.520 You know, here it mentions,

05:59:52.720 Over the waves, he twists, and the tawny eagle gnaws corpses screaming.

06:00:03.640 Nail, fari, or, you know, it's worth noting that the G is kind of a softer G, so instead of nagel far, it would be pronounced nail, nail.

06:00:19.700 like the g is kind of a almost a y sound nail fari uh the the nail farrier um again like a

06:00:30.580 scratching hand uh it is loose um and that would be of course because that right there at the end

06:00:37.600 it's it's uh speaks of it being loosed and it's automatically kind of understood that the audience

06:00:44.500 would know exactly what we're talking about in reference because it's not fully explained later

06:00:52.260 but uh you know with snorty kind of contextualizing it in the um

06:00:57.540 scout scarpus uh mall or in the gilfagini um

06:01:05.540 but the uh the the part here that you might see is the tawny eagle uh the the word for eagle is

06:01:13.380 ari it's very much like arn in um german arn like arn old means old eagle or a great eagle

06:01:22.980 and so ari um here and ari locker uh slitter now we need foller need voller is like the need

06:01:36.820 is the bodies. And what this is most likely referring to, to give context, is the great

06:01:44.280 Jotun, uh, known as Reisvelk, the, the, the, uh, the Jotun of the wind, or the Jotun of the stir

06:01:55.840 of the wind, or at least the Jotun of wind, perhaps that's, that is, um, a blight wind,

06:02:02.720 a vile wind because again i think it's it's worth noting that we shouldn't contextualize the gods or

06:02:10.000 the jotuns and their powers in the middle as being one for one it's not you know uh thor

06:02:16.320 god of storms it is that their dominion and the place in which they

06:02:23.960 replicate their dominion in the middle world and so we understand that the jotun art have this

06:02:29.060 And so, you know, Heisfeld could be contextualized as perhaps the creator of a specific type of storm or, again, baleful storms, storms that have, you know, kind of, again, a destructive intent, whether that you could say perhaps, you know, I know a lot of people have theorized the idea that tornadoes could be seen as worms.

06:02:58.880 or serpents um and you know or hurricanes in a sense these baleful winds are kind of stirred by

06:03:08.240 the uh the eagle on the edge and in in our uh our cosmological drawing uh you will see there is an

06:03:18.720 eagle with like wafts of wind off of his wings and that's who they're met you know who we're

06:03:24.880 referencing to. So the, you know, Jotunheim starts to flow towards the middle. The under is starting

06:03:33.940 to rise up and they're all, their final destination really is about transferring over and towards the

06:03:42.940 land of the gods. And it's worth, again, reemphasizing our ancestors saw the gods as being

06:03:50.440 above but within the middle of the world they didn't you know see the gods as being on top

06:04:00.620 of the tree they don't really mention that as being the cases they see the tree as being in

06:04:06.700 the center place of the world and that place is above the clouds or above um the shining place

06:04:14.720 above Leoselfheim, the mountaintops that hold the gods aloft are never fully contextualized

06:04:22.940 as being a specific mountain range or anything of that nature as more or less just that center

06:04:30.400 place. And here you'd have to think of it as, again, if we're looking at the world in a flat

06:04:36.820 sense under your feet the yotan are coming from the east and with it they're stirring up the wind 0.85

06:04:44.900 so you have cream and all the yotan that are you know have been itching to get to the center

06:04:51.520 and get to the over the midgarth and up into the heavenly realm they're crossing through 0.99

06:04:59.100 into our world and bringing with them chaos and destruction and so the the eagle is flying over

06:05:06.500 them. And it's stirring up the wind of great storms. Jormungandr is writhing in the water

06:05:11.960 and the, the Jotnar are themselves coming. And from the North, there is a cave and out of the 1.00

06:05:17.920 cave is spilling forth the, you know, the, the accursed dead, the ones that are, you know,

06:05:23.440 that have, were rejected by their ancestors and their, their Vargar and their, you know,

06:05:31.240 just you know riding in and up on this ship so in a way the the poetics i think are kind of

06:05:39.620 keeping to a rule but when you talk about it from a storytelling standpoint it is very much an epic

06:05:45.740 kind of enclosing of the middle which everything is kind of writhing and rolling and wind is blowing

06:05:53.760 and churning there the the words here are kind of lost with the imagery that are placed inside the

06:06:01.680 context um so you know i like to bring that into point um when we talk about it in a story form

06:06:10.860 it's like imagine our ancestors you know hearing this and seeing things in a uh dimensional sense

06:06:17.740 that is based around under their feet you know we know for a fact and a lot of people have asked

06:06:23.520 you know does also true uh believe the world is flat does um you know the conception conceptualization

06:06:31.200 of that and i don't think that's the case i think that just as much as say christianity was looking

06:06:37.120 at the world in a solar centric i mean uh earth centric view as opposed to a solar one our

06:06:43.920 ancestors were looking at from the individual uh from the from the the folk as they stood

06:06:52.720 and so in that sense all of the paradigms are mythically laid out but they're also

06:06:59.840 spiritually correct the idea of of the you know the upper world is where the gods reside

06:07:06.000 in the east where the chaos comes that's where the that's where um the uh the yotnar come from

06:07:12.240 the west you know that's where the the life and and the um growing and the cycles of all things

06:07:19.040 and beneath us is where the dvergar are and beneath that is where you know the the souls

06:07:25.280 return to vergelmer and the the roiling and and uh rolling uh well so it's i think it is

06:07:35.120 super important to look at cosmology in two ways is one is as it is written but also too

06:07:42.160 as it was conceptualized from ourselves and from our feet and from where we sit and from where we

06:07:48.800 stand and from where our house is um as opposed to um you know seeing um you know it's like if i

06:07:57.200 drive to the east i'm not going to hit jotun or if i you know go eastward from my position directly

06:08:06.400 you know off the planet and into you know the cosmos it's it's again it's about planar um

06:08:14.720 thresholds and what these planar thresholds mean and what the powers and the dominions that derive

06:08:22.160 from there. The gods are above and they derive their power and dominion down into the middle

06:08:28.160 world. The Jotunar in the east and they derive their power into us in a westward motion. The

06:08:36.160 Vanir in the west and they derive their power easterly into creation. And so all of these 1.00

06:08:42.960 things are, I think, really important and get lost when people try to diagram or perhaps

06:08:50.160 overanalyze just strictly the poems.

06:08:57.180 Svon, so a lot of these things that we're going over in specifically these last five

06:09:09.380 stanzas aren't really that separate they're all imagery that explains to us that chaos has broken

06:09:20.340 down the structure that orders our cosmos and our existence and you see that as swan said in different

06:09:32.420 context in different parts of the alignment of the worlds you see all of these things colliding

06:09:42.580 because the the elements in our cosmology that cause separation that cause order that cause

06:09:51.060 structure are broken down and things from one begin flowing into the other in chaotic violent

06:10:03.140 ways the order of the cosmos is broken and shaken up and that's the the most grand scale that they

06:10:13.380 can portray ragnarok on is chaos breaking down that structure and encroaching upon

06:10:22.980 the very essence of order which is our gods and that's that's where we're at starting this next uh

06:10:34.420 next section what's that starting about 51 i believe so

06:10:43.380 it's funny oh i think we had a couple of things we do have some questions everybody who asked

06:10:48.980 questions on the other side um we have those written down and we'll we'll definitely get to

06:10:57.140 those um folks that ask questions that aren't related to the text we'll get to those when we're

06:11:03.380 all done with the text so we do remember it's they're there and we will get to them

06:11:09.380 one that does have something to do with the text though the wolf throne asks is mimir the godhead

06:11:18.340 and i think i think that's an interesting question and i think the concept

06:11:25.700 of a godhead in general is confusing especially depending upon which religious tradition

06:11:32.900 is using the term. In one sense, Mimir literally is memory and is the contemplative nature of that

06:11:52.000 memory in a very real way mimir embodies the the folk memory it embodies the something that comes

06:12:03.520 from that ancient time before the current order is established it's a his mimir's head is a font of

06:12:14.160 ancient memory it's a font of orlog and the idea that it springs forth its

06:12:22.000 an embodiment or a access point

06:12:25.780 to that which springs from the most ancient

06:12:29.360 and from the beginning,

06:12:31.280 there are elements that do coincide

06:12:33.780 with an impersonal Godhead element.

06:12:37.860 But our myth isn't broken down

06:12:41.340 in that kind of verbiage and kind of function.

06:12:45.060 So I don't think there's a clean yes or no answer.

06:12:48.620 And the fact that it's a font of Orlog,

06:12:51.540 if you will um one of the other elements just kind of in the poeticness of the the sons

06:12:58.420 of of mimir in a way that speaks

06:13:04.980 a lot

06:13:07.860 through the progression because it talks about that in relation to fate and you know

06:13:14.820 know, the sons of memory chronologically take us into into a present. And they mentioned fate as

06:13:23.800 into a, you know, likely future outcome. So it gets those three separate ideas of time in that

06:13:32.640 one passage in a very poetic way. And that's the thing, Chris, reading your comment over inside

06:13:40.880 depends on what you read in um christian religious studies godhead means something

06:13:48.000 slightly different than in hindu religious studies than it does in jewish religious studies

06:13:54.480 all of those things have a different degree on how much godhead equals a personal totality

06:14:03.440 of their supreme god or how much it is the concept of godness itself or you know various

06:14:14.080 things along that structure the truth that underlies that underlies god in some of those

06:14:20.320 conceptions so again it's not it's not exactly clean the more you read it um but no mimir does

06:14:30.320 not equal prime mover impersonal supreme god but certainly is a font towards accessing that

06:14:42.320 most ancient memory of our folk soul absolutely what say you swan um i think that it's worth

06:14:50.960 you know noting that um i and i've mentioned this before i think that when you know uh christians

06:14:58.160 talk about oh it's all part of god's plan or you know it's kind of this broad head of movement or

06:15:03.360 this sourcing of things um it i i think that if we're talking about godhead in the way that you

06:15:11.740 just contextualized it i would say that yggdrasil is perhaps the font the unmoving source of you

06:15:21.820 know of all things the the the first of the tripartite in the middle in the cosmos in the

06:15:29.540 chaos and the in the great gap and emir is transformed and avhumla is transformed but

06:15:36.300 yggdrasil remains but it is worth noting where is mimir placed he is placed along upon the route

06:15:44.320 at one of the the sources but i you know again then as the name implies mimir's memory so i i

06:15:52.280 think it's worth looking at instead of perhaps the spring in which all things are flowing is

06:15:58.800 more or less the value is where all things are flowing into is the memory well and that is what

06:16:06.120 truly makes him powerful so if if earth and earth earth's brunner earth's well in heaven is 0.92

06:16:16.140 the faunting of yggdrasil's power into the middle world everything's kind of descending through that 0.91

06:16:22.440 wellspring or threshold of liquid into the middle world everything that interplays all the weaving 0.93

06:16:28.360 of of orlong all the weaving of weird all the deeds that are done and the fates that are that

06:16:34.400 are made all plays out in the middle and then flows into memory and then there's a root there

06:16:43.680 a corresponding root that up so this that that is i think deeply important but ultimately that

06:16:50.800 the idea that the wellspring above drips into the the middle the wellspring in the middle drips to

06:16:56.320 the low and the wellspring in the low drips into the proto but each time there's a drawing up of

06:17:02.880 the roots super important there but if we're talking about uh like the godhead or the single

06:17:09.200 god um yeah i i agree with you i don't think it i don't think he correlates exactly as kind of this

06:17:17.600 overarching uh source i know like in like with plato's um referencing of things you know the

06:17:25.680 the kind of the divine source um i i would say yggdrasil fits that far better than mimir but

06:17:34.560 mimir is a part of the functioning of yggdrasil part of that circulatory system of the worlds of

06:17:43.680 the upper middle and lower and why it is so important to understand why there are roots

06:17:49.120 and why there are wells and why each of them placed within each level. I think that's a huge

06:17:56.880 part of our Aryan cosmology. So, Chris, as a follow-up, Chris, for those following along,

06:18:04.960 asks, so Mimir could, as Carl Jung called it, or could be, as Carl Jung called it,

06:18:11.360 our collective unconscious.

06:18:15.680 That is...

06:18:16.960 Yes, sort of. 0.59

06:18:19.240 It's not so much that Mimir himself is the collective unconscious 0.97

06:18:23.940 as he is a door to the collective unconscious. 0.97

06:18:29.200 His head is an access point to consult with the collective unconscious

06:18:36.360 in its most primal state.

06:18:41.360 The collective unconscious, the closest thing that I think we could call that is our folk soul.

06:18:53.200 And that incorporates past, present, and future to a degree that's really hard to express. 0.93

06:19:05.580 but mimir is a door to that collected folk memory

06:19:11.880 um or his head rather is a door to that collected folk memory that that the all-father can consult

06:19:21.540 um and with that uh swan if you would like to carry on with our next stanza please yeah i and

06:19:33.820 And I'm working currently, while we're actually going forward, I'm still looking back on stanza 46, so I might be interjecting a little bit because, again, the translation in Fearquake, All Who on Hell's Roads Are, really bothers me because that's not what is said.

06:19:53.880 You know, what is said is that Odin measures what is happening, and Mimir shakes.

06:20:03.020 So, and another thing, too, is he says, you know, fast-moving, or fast-move the sons of Mim, but it's more or less contextualized that the sons of Mim are playing, or as perhaps, like, again,

06:20:19.080 the inevitable is coming true. The song of the inevitable, the doom that is coming is playing

06:20:30.380 out. And so I just, that's really vexing me in a way. And so I'm still poking at some of these

06:20:41.700 things and it's worth noting like for me a lot of my translational stuff comes um you know it's

06:20:50.060 it's like i don't i haven't memorized the adas and or or even the volaspout like just i haven't

06:20:56.120 memorized it in old norse so a lot of it is about kind of picking it apart looking at it looking at

06:21:02.500 different meanings and perhaps what they could mean whether it's modern icelandic whether it's

06:21:07.280 old icelandic or whether it's old norse so a lot of that is kind of that that picking apart i don't

06:21:13.140 like to say certain things are what they mean unless i can kind of also get the grip of their

06:21:20.840 context because again sometimes you know uh the a simple name could have different context in

06:21:31.060 relation to the stanza so you know i i'm still picking it apart and i'm you know trying again

06:21:39.140 to give the best form of um i guess laying it out for people like a buffet for people to read into

06:21:50.480 to study to go back and look and say okay well i can kind of see it like this or perhaps bellows

06:21:56.140 translation is slightly different uh in this way than obviously like hollanders you know and so on

06:22:03.140 and so forth because that's really what i think our place uh as gothar and as the afa have always

06:22:10.720 done is we have looked at all of the translations laid them out and pondered them instead of simply

06:22:17.460 saying this is the translation of this and this is the translation of that because when you do that

06:22:26.060 you end up not fully contextualizing things or, you know, in reality, I see a lot of people just

06:22:32.280 make things up or leave things gray on purpose without any, you know, idea of it. Again,

06:22:40.400 a perfect example of that is people that translate the people of the wolf as to being

06:22:49.560 Heimdall. That was a big one for me where that, that translation was so glaringly kind of like

06:22:55.740 a stubbed toe that i i was like oh and people don't they'll take that for the value that it is

06:23:04.240 they'll see it it's written down oh that makes or that makes sense to them because they don't

06:23:09.180 have anything to contextualize it with it's not laid out before them and they accept it they eat

06:23:13.600 it down and it's probably very wrong so that's why if anybody's wondering why we're i'm laying

06:23:21.340 these out in kind of multiple angles is because that's what I want people to understand is that

06:23:25.840 we see our gods as the gods living and working and moving as they do. And that our stories are

06:23:32.280 kind of, again, seen from the angles of many different translations and our understanding

06:23:39.080 of old Norse in and of itself, which can be shaky at times. So we're in, you know, we're in 51.

06:23:51.340 um so this is an interesting one too so he says over the sea from the east there sails a ship

06:24:04.220 and i was looking at this translation too the the word cure if anybody's following along or oh i

06:24:10.940 don't i don't think we mentioned that they can't follow along oh we did this episode um yeah we

06:24:18.140 had the visual thing breaking down nick if you could post the uh link to the version that we're

06:24:27.740 we're reading this on so folks can follow along if they'd like and yeah that's the reason why we

06:24:35.900 had the ability to do it from the internet if they wanted to or from their you know tablet

06:24:40.860 while they're listening of course people i think that are listening strictly with audio or

06:24:48.140 you know, left at a slight disadvantage.

06:24:54.520 But I was, yeah, I was looking at...

06:24:56.140 So everybody knows we are doing the Bellows translation,

06:25:00.220 and you can find that independently.

06:25:02.820 We just happen to have a really convenient website

06:25:05.360 with the exact screen that Svon and I are looking on.

06:25:18.140 So, um, yeah, it's, it's, uh, over the sea from the east, there sails a ship and the, the ship is, is, is just a ship. It's not a specific ship. It is, you know, a kheol is a ship. So, uh, a ship fares from the east and comes the sons of musbels.

06:25:45.140 Now, this is, again, another interesting thing, because I wonder in relation to, we know that Snorri talks about the south and the coming of the sons of Muspel, and they're coming from Muspelheim, but again, they're referencing to the Jotuns as also being the sons of Muspel, or that in relation, which is why a lot of people don't know what Muspel means,

06:26:12.740 but correlate it to destruction or, or perhaps fiery destruction or, or what have you. And if

06:26:19.980 this is the word muspels, then, you know, this could be seen as like from the east, the ship 0.92

06:26:24.220 flows and there comes, um, you know, the, the, the sons of destruction, but it is worth noting

06:26:31.340 that in all of these cases, we see the moving through Midgar is in the form of a ship.

06:26:39.180 so again rivers and we talked about this before is that rivers are always kind of

06:26:46.620 liminal space between planar um thresholds and so every river that's mentioned in the stories

06:26:55.980 is kind of seen as a as a either a threshold within the world of or the plain or between

06:27:03.460 the plains we see that with gil in between the the land of the living in the land of the dead

06:27:09.120 We see that again with, oh crap, the name of the river alludes me, but in Harbarðr's tale, the river that he's crossing between Jotunheim and heaven.

06:27:25.480 But then there is clearly like the river Thund in heaven is a threshold between Valhall and the other realms of Ausgard.

06:27:36.760 So rivers always represent that liminal force space.

06:27:41.860 And from the east a boat comes, and from underneath a boat comes, the must-spell are faring, you know, through vessels, transferring between hard realms through a liquid.

06:27:58.740 And I think that that's another reason why, you know, when we talk about like holy spaces where people walk over bridges is a kind of reemphasizing of this.

06:28:10.380 So, um, a ship from the east sails, um, you know, with, with the sons, with the, uh, of, of Muspel. At the helm stands Loki. After the wolf do wild men follow. And with them, the brother of Baylist, Baylist goes.

06:28:35.720 so uh or bilist um so there's a couple things there i think ultimately perhaps the angling of

06:28:45.060 it uh of the sons of muspel and the the jotuns of the east and all of this is kind of being

06:28:51.060 laid before as again coalescing towards the center but i i i really do like the uh after

06:29:00.940 um you know after the wolf all of all of his of the powers with him go and i think that's

06:29:11.540 again referencing to the the the varker of the underworld of the the chaotic elements of the

06:29:18.880 of the east or of jotunheim or the place of dissipation everything is following in after

06:29:24.720 these great kind of focused points and another thing about this is Bailey's brother uh Bailey's

06:29:32.960 is again an unknown factor in relation to Loki and a most uh you know I think a lot of people

06:29:44.560 that are familiar with the lore will say oh yeah you know there's there's Loki's father is

06:29:48.800 the far biter or one that might again like in reference to an arrow sailing over and kind of

06:29:55.940 hitting something um i've heard people speculate too that that uh you know uh that far bauti

06:30:04.040 could be in reference to like a comet or something of that nature but there's no like specifics that

06:30:10.780 could be laid down or pointed at um and then of course laufi the the uh island the leafy or or

06:30:20.680 the place that is leafy but then there's mention of two brothers that loki has but there's never

06:30:27.140 any real letting into it and again these fragments part of the the corralling of the poems leaves us

06:30:35.920 with many unanswered questions in relation to perhaps other stories uh be list and hell blindy

06:30:43.200 are two beings mentioned as being connected to or like siblings of um loki and the only reason

06:30:52.080 why we know this is because the reference to loki is through this kenning bailey's brother

06:30:59.760 Now, the possibility of there being perhaps another reference that this, like, because they already mentioned that at the helm there is Loki, and generally translations, people believe that Biles' brother is Loki, but could they be also referring to Helblindi?

06:31:20.800 it's again one of those um kind of you know roads into the water um where we may not ever get the

06:31:32.560 connection point and i that's one of the most frustrating frustrating things about

06:31:39.000 um the lore is like well who is beely's brother oh most people equate it to loki but they've

06:31:46.260 mentioned Loki as being at the head. So, uh, you know, is, is this a reference elsewhere or perhaps

06:31:55.520 to hellblending? We don't know. So even though it clearly states from the East, you know, the

06:32:02.760 comes, the sons of Muspel, Sirt from the South fares forth, um, with the scourge of branches. 0.95

06:32:11.520 And, of course, this is a kenning for fire and flame. 0.86

06:32:24.240 So we have here the son of the battle gods shown from his sword.

06:32:33.760 Now, this is an interesting thing.

06:32:36.800 I think what they're, the translation is misplaced in the idea that they're talking about the skeins of light that shine from, or the spark of Muspel, the flames of Muspel shine forth in skeins of light from his sword or from his weapon.

06:32:57.480 And they liken his sword to like a beam of the sun.

06:33:02.140 And again, I think that parallels to the usage of the idea that the sun is a spark of Muspel

06:33:11.820 And that the dominion over that spark is placed upon a divine power

06:33:16.940 That holds that arcing order in the world

06:33:20.860 But is not the sun itself

06:33:24.360 Just as much as the earth is the body of Ymir 0.76

06:33:28.880 and that the dominion over that is Yarth or Nertha 0.99

06:33:34.420 and, you know, begetting of the Vanir and Fricka.

06:33:42.220 So we see here, he says, 0.99

06:33:45.720 the crags are sundered, the giant women sink.

06:33:52.480 the the uh the dead throng hell way and heaven is cloven and i really love that line um

06:34:06.440 it's it's such a powerful line in the idea of what we're talking about

06:34:13.120 is that the the mountains of heaven are shaken that the the nornir in essence

06:34:22.320 are drawing in the road to hell is is breached and so the below and the above are both kind of

06:34:32.680 in a way met and um the the clovenness of heaven is such a powerful thing and in in the in the

06:34:44.760 uh, translation of 52, it says in him in klovnar. And so again, I want to reemphasize to a lot of

06:34:52.460 the folks that might not realize that heaven is a Germanic word. It is a German word. It is not

06:34:58.040 in Aramaic. It is not in Hebrew. It is, uh, it is our word, if you will. Um, and so a lot of people,

06:35:07.340 you know, definitely get caught up on that. Like they do the word church. Um, and you know,

06:35:13.300 even though we could clearly talk about the circle or, or the Greek, you know,

06:35:17.180 usage of the word heaven is ours and it is quite clear. So, um, uh,

06:35:24.260 you know, as below is above, everything is cloven open.

06:35:29.620 And so, okay, this is an interesting one here. Uh,

06:35:33.920 anybody that is familiar with the Alcenier at length of all the goddesses and,

06:35:39.820 um, we, we clearly have a reference to,

06:35:43.300 Hlyn. And it says, now comes to Hlyn yet another hurt. And a lot of people have always correlated Hlyn directly to Frigg. And that's where a lot of the hypostasis idea comes from.

06:36:01.340 Perhaps Frigg is Hlyn and Frigg is Saga and Frigg is so on and so forth, but I would say it's worth noting that what Hlyn is, is an ausenior directly in correlation to the protection of those that Frigg is beloved.

06:36:26.140 She loves and cares for, and Hlyn then is the arbiter of that protection. And so the sorrow of Hlyn would be that one of the beloved of her lady, Frigg, is doomed now.

06:36:45.940 And so I think it would be worth stating that it could simply be just as it is, and that there's no reason to try to correlate these two and get confused. It's just understanding the Alseñir.

06:36:57.100 I think that the Alseñir, when we talk about the goddesses and we talk about the two major goddesses, absolutely and clearly, unshakably, are Freyga and Freyja.

06:37:09.360 And when we talk about the Alseñir in relation to, like, say, Sauga and Sjolven and Ljolven and Var and Vor, these Alseñir are kind of, again, correlated in as a, seen as kind of a court or seen as kind of as a, perhaps, spokes in a wheel.

06:37:36.200 where, you know, Frigga is kind of at center

06:37:42.340 because a lot of the motion that Frigga has in the world,

06:37:45.580 or she's of stasis, but the motion around her

06:37:48.380 is through the Asenir.

06:37:50.360 And so, again, now comes to Hlyn yet another hurt.

06:37:56.920 When Odin fares to fight with the wolf

06:37:59.540 and Belli's fair slayer,

06:38:03.780 This, of course, is referencing to Lord Frey, as he has been referred to as the Slayer of Beli, seeks out Surt.

06:38:16.000 And so these two are kind of, again, correlating the end dooming and connection points.

06:38:24.160 And so Odin fares forth to fight the wolf, and Frey fares forth to fight Surt.

06:38:31.500 And if you take things quite literally, you would be like, well, why are those two mentioned as being the hurt of Hlynne? And I think it's just simply noting that the protection and the charge of the beloved of Frigg is about to meet the doom. And that is yet another hurt.

06:38:49.120 and i think that when we're talking about yet another we're talking about balder balder is

06:38:55.760 of course clean is you know in charge of in the protection of of him as beloved of frigga and now

06:39:02.880 to another hurt is to come and then you know again the the addition of lord fray

06:39:10.160 fighting cert is again doesn't quite correlate but uh there must fall the joy of frig which is

06:39:17.760 of course, Lord Odin is the joy of Frigg. So, uh, 53 is, I think a lot of people read into it too

06:39:26.440 much, but it's an understanding of poetics and the addition of, and Bedley's fair slayer seeks

06:39:33.780 out Cirque is, is again, an, an addition that throws a lot of people off. If you look at line

06:39:39.620 one, line two, and line four in, in stanza 53, they're all in correlation to Odin. And I've

06:39:46.800 often wondered was this an interjection was this something that during the compiling of the poem

06:39:54.120 it was added in order to create the correct you know like meter um because it just kind of sticks

06:40:01.960 out um but you know that's again perhaps that was just something that at the time and understanding

06:40:12.200 with Snorri's translations and with the compiling of, of all of the adas at that time, you know,

06:40:18.960 we're talking, um, about 150 years after Iceland is converted. So there is a lot that can happen

06:40:29.120 in those translations and it's, you know, just worth considering. Um, so in stanza 54, then comes

06:40:37.540 Sigfather's mighty son, Vidar, to fight the foaming wolf. In the giant sun does he thrust

06:40:48.420 his sword. Full to the heart, his father avenged. So the, um, the, the usage of the sword,

06:41:02.180 The usage of, you know, again, the avengement of, and in the giant sun, the understanding of who that exactly is, is the Jotunar, or the Jotunborn Loki, who is the son of his father, Faurbaut.

06:41:24.720 So this is Fenris, or this is the chaos wolf that is being avenged by Vidar, who has come to finally commit to his correct action and bringing that.

06:41:40.080 So, you know, we talk about the meetings of these one-for-ones in the Voluspao, and there are, of course, gleanings and other poetics, but here it's pretty much just, you know, straightforward.

06:41:56.380 In 55, the translation here is truly, again, kind of, you know, interesting.

06:42:06.560 You know, in the Old Norse

06:42:11.560 This is

06:42:11.880 And, you know, it says

06:42:24.080 Hither comes the son of

06:42:26.440 Which is an interesting, you know

06:42:29.140 Use of the translation

06:42:30.960 I mean, I don't understand why it simply

06:42:33.020 Couldn't be Sigfather

06:42:35.140 Victory father

06:42:36.480 um the the bright snake gapes to heaven above um against the serpent goes oh then son

06:42:47.940 and this one is uh is again still draws a great amount of um you know uh question as far as um

06:42:57.860 where we go. And a lot of people reference the Haukbok, Hauksbok, in which this stanza doesn't

06:43:07.260 even exist. It's not placed within there. Clothing, of course, too, is another, you know,

06:43:18.700 word for jorth. So again, I think the reference there is that Bellows is trying to say the

06:43:27.820 This is Thor coming forth, but he doesn't say like the son of the sick father. He says the son of the earth.

06:43:38.760 And again, we, you know, we talk about that quite often with Lord Thor as he is the primogen of natural order and I mean, natural law and cosmic order.

06:43:52.660 He is the exact birthing point of those two powers that makes him different than, say, perhaps any of the other children beget between from the earth is that he is of the earth in the sky specifically.

06:44:09.580 And that's why at the mural at Thorshof, he is wearing red and gold in his chest with a blue cape, again, fire and light and the air.

06:44:22.880 And then his leggings and his wraps are brown and green, excuse me, and blue, representing the earth and the water.

06:44:34.020 And so he is the coalescence of the two.

06:44:36.620 so Thor now steps forth um to meet his doom against the serpent

06:44:45.960 and it's also worth noting too in 54 um that uh that he doesn't talk about the uh again the

06:45:01.660 the referencing of bringing up that garmer cries out again at neep at neeper neepa's cave or neepa

06:45:09.100 heller uh some people say just neepa's cave or neepa's chasm or or neepa's gate um but it's the

06:45:17.340 you know the underworld and that one that part is repeated so if you're looking at 54 and it says

06:45:23.020 you know uh uh it's that repeated stanza and he doesn't include it in the english

06:45:34.940 um translation but cries out garm from nipples nipa nipa's cave

06:45:40.780 so i don't know if you want to uh take questions or we keep so we don't really

06:45:54.780 have any questions that have come about so far from the text i think that

06:45:59.020 you know maybe some of the poetic expressions of these things are unfamiliar or confusing but i

06:46:07.260 I think most people understand what's going on here.

06:46:13.200 Most people understand and are of our audience

06:46:17.620 are familiar, at least in broad terms

06:46:19.880 with the events of Ragnarok.

06:46:22.280 And I think that's, I don't know.

06:46:26.160 I think folks are listening and taking in the beauty

06:46:29.760 of the poetry and the different nuances

06:46:32.200 that you're linking them into.

06:46:35.420 One thing I think is worth noting is the interchangeability of Jotunar, of the forces from Muspel, and the forces from Jotunheim.

06:46:58.420 time earlier in this series when we talked about how there is a variety of giants that

06:47:09.700 are talked about in our lore there's also a variety of in our lore there are a lot of

06:47:18.420 terms that get broadly applied based on a thing's allegiances we see that the iser originally

06:47:32.180 referred to a tribe of gods a particular kind of gods but after the first war of the gods

06:47:41.620 two groups of gods all come under that heading of iser from their own out they're all aligned

06:47:47.940 they're in a place of alignment when the you know there's big grand yotans that are primordial

06:47:58.940 forces of like big cosmic things those often are wise and you know some are even

06:48:11.480 beneficial to the gods to interact with here and there or to to mate with here and there

06:48:19.140 and if and when they do they then go into that isera category as well but the others that

06:48:26.140 don't and the ones with ill intention form this bigger group of yotnar which kind of encompasses

06:48:32.600 all of the bad guys if you will you see at various times

06:48:39.240 Jormungandr

06:48:43.260 or Fenrir

06:48:44.680 referred to as

06:48:47.320 giants or as the can of giants

06:48:49.720 or with this

06:48:51.600 Jotun attachment to them.

06:48:54.800 You see

06:48:55.280 that

06:48:57.240 used a lot. You also see that with the

06:48:59.600 idea of a

06:49:01.440 troll later. A troll can

06:49:03.500 mean lots of different kinds 0.80

06:49:05.640 of bad stuff

06:49:07.800 we don't like that's on the bad guys team those words kind of all have those things and you see it

06:49:14.280 um in a more positive way on the term uh elf or elf it can mean a variety of different

06:49:24.920 types of beings that are in an elevated state closer to our gods some of which are male

06:49:32.200 ancestors some of which occupy the natural world and are our land spirits some of them you know

06:49:43.880 are conceived of as like the yule elf um that delivers presents and stuff any a lot of those

06:49:52.360 good beneficial spirits are alvar just like any of the bad enemies of order enemies of the gods

06:50:04.200 forces of chaos get the term jotnar applied to them in a way and it's just something to kind

06:50:10.680 of track in your head as we go through the information yeah and it's uh you know if you're

06:50:16.280 able to read along on this um the uh 54 and 55 especially in relation to like hawksbock and how

06:50:25.000 the standing uh you know evidence of the of the verses are kind of in bad shape but there's all

06:50:31.080 you know it's also you know worth noting that bellows kind of shifts things around

06:50:35.880 because in 55 you know he says then comes in great strength sick father and i got that mixed up um

06:50:41.800 Um, uh, you know, he, the old Norse, he has, you know, it's 55, but he says it in 54,

06:50:50.720 then comes Sigfather's mighty son. And I, you know, realizing that Bellows' translations kind

06:50:57.340 of again, chop things up and then rearrange them on his end kind of throws me off as I'm reading

06:51:02.580 the old Norse side. And it's like, oh, you know, some are correct in their placement and other

06:51:08.560 times he he shifts things over in the english version keep keep in mind here you're trying to

06:51:15.360 get the bigger points that are laid out and you're trying to get an understanding of

06:51:25.040 a better way of relating to our gods through our lore the lore as it's come to us is not perfect

06:51:31.680 you can see in the text that we have where bellows makes a mistake in translation from the

06:51:39.680 you know original source material which is again many generations after the the first telling of

06:51:49.360 this in that language which in and of itself is eons after the origin of these events as our

06:52:00.400 you know the spark occurs divinely in our folk to manifest into our lore and our edic stories

06:52:08.720 so the exact specifics of all these things are fun exercises to try to hunt down and as you can

06:52:16.080 tell by swan's enthusiasm on these things it's cool and it's fun and it's worthwhile to do and

06:52:22.320 you learn a lot through the etymology but the point of all of this is to better understand

06:52:28.320 and build relationship with our gods and to align ourselves with them and i suppose that's

06:52:34.320 another thing that's worth mentioning going forward and again we're going to do this from

06:52:38.640 time to time is take little detours off the lore to talk about some of these points as they're

06:52:46.240 relevant relevant to usager so just as i rent um

06:52:58.480 beings are known in our lore by their points of allegiance we saw it with brandy when we were

06:53:08.320 talking about different groups of people in beowulf we've seen it throughout throughout this when we

06:53:15.840 talk about the forces aligned with order versus the forces aligned with chaos the defining

06:53:21.200 characteristic of these people is the team that they are loyal to choosing a side matters there's

06:53:32.160 not celebration of any of the figures that sit by and are on either team people pick a side

06:53:40.560 people pick a side and put on the jersey and that's really important to define who someone is

06:53:49.040 something essential to an altitude mind frame is defining you by who your friends are who your

06:53:58.940 family are what team you have aligned yourself with tells us who you are if you don't stand with

06:54:07.000 any team that's terrible that was the worst thing to our ancestors was the concept of being an

06:54:13.880 outsider being a loner you wanted to be part of a community part of a tribe part of a family part

06:54:20.680 of a house and so it's really important in also true that you take those sides the word also true

06:54:27.800 means loyal to the Aesir. It's not just we believe in the gods or we, you know, ascribe to this

06:54:37.340 generic, we generically associate ourselves with this corpus of lore as the backdrop for our

06:54:45.480 existence. It's much more than that. It's this being our corpus of understanding of

06:54:51.500 our cosmology and then us taking the extra step to be loyal and to affirm our loyalty and our

06:55:01.340 standing with the Isir. And those are two really important, you know, separate things. 0.91

06:55:08.660 There's been a movement, I say movement, there's a current in 1.00

06:55:13.740 heathenry as the, you know, unaffiliated people would kind of call themselves in modern times to 1.00

06:55:25.440 accept the mythos, accept the cosmology, but not 1.00

06:55:33.900 define their stance in it

06:55:38.260 or their loyalties to it.

06:55:40.820 And that's firmly not what we do

06:55:45.540 in the Ausatru Folk Assembly

06:55:47.340 and not what being Ausatru means.

06:55:50.820 A similar thing is

06:55:53.700 in Christianity, for example,

06:55:59.620 you have Christians

06:56:03.660 that define themselves by their loyalty to Christ and you have Satanists that most of them don't even

06:56:12.940 really believe or really worship the Christian devil as much as they stand in opposition to

06:56:22.980 Christian normalcy. But the point of commonality is they all accept the Judeo-Christian mythos as 0.75

06:56:31.060 as their canvas

06:56:34.080 that their life is painted

06:56:36.220 upon. They accept that as the reality

06:56:38.400 they're within. For a

06:56:40.280 time, that was the only

06:56:41.560 commonality in

06:56:43.800 modern Ausitru

06:56:45.540 was this idea of

06:56:48.260 loosely

06:56:50.020 believing that this myth

06:56:52.280 cycle is our myth cycle.

06:56:54.360 And you had

06:56:54.900 misguided

06:56:58.080 people trying to be

06:57:00.240 roca true or vana true or all these different little things to make themselves a special

06:57:06.440 snowflake no we first accept this is our reality and then from that place of understanding

06:57:16.500 we choose to stand loyally with the icer and that's that is a fundamental to our practice

06:57:24.620 you mentioning that and just um again i you know the rampantness versus the tangibility

06:57:37.780 of ideals the rampantness of people to like edge lord the edge lording of edge lords like

06:57:45.140 they were seeking these kind of like finite and brittle crusts in order to establish themselves

06:57:53.660 as being some pioneers of of ideals um and i really think that that was ultimately

06:57:59.700 you could see uh especially when in relation to people claiming that they were loyal to the

06:58:07.580 or the yotnar or rock a true or whatever that the hell they they want to call themselves is that

06:58:14.460 you know in reality they they're applying this concept that i i started to see in the early

06:58:22.320 like 2000s 2006 2007 is the idea of like the germanic ideals of heroism the aryan ideals

06:58:31.360 of divine heroism and nobility were being rejected and that it was the yotnar who were 0.99

06:58:38.220 actually the kind of misunderstood and that and that the the gods were just chad jerks like you 0.98

06:58:44.420 know uh bullying or being or or what have you that that was a clear thing that was something

06:58:51.360 that absolutely even though it wasn't said outright was was clearly being leveled these um

06:58:59.120 these people are basically saying that their world view is is that the gods of order which

06:59:03.840 they don't really truly see them as or believe in them are you know the bullies of the of the

06:59:10.560 thing and the misunderstood and so you clearly see they're really just painting a kind of world

06:59:15.440 view or a philosophy that they have upon the gods and that is you know in pious and it's

06:59:23.760 it's highest form of just i can't even like conceptualize around it again i have seen worse

06:59:31.600 in illustration but that's pretty bad just in i guess living your your your convictions out loud

06:59:40.000 These people are basically stating that. And what hubris to be able to live in a world where, you know, if the sky was to quake above them, it would clearly shake them to their core.

06:59:55.820 But when they're at home and they're in their armchairs, they can, you know, state like, oh, well, the gods are really like the bullies of the whole thing.

07:00:03.620 The Jotunar are misunderstood. It's kind of the obliviousness of being so disconnected from natural law and cosmic order at the height.

07:00:17.980 And I think that the, I think that the Jotunar revel in that ignorance. They revel in that, um, their inability to kind of ground themselves in the divine measurement in which the gods have stated and placed before us. 0.98

07:00:33.900 And, you know, again, if you that you are a supporter of that disillusion, if you're a supporter of that cosmic kind of chaos, you are not Ausatru and you are, in essence, kind of feeding into the overall. 0.76

07:00:49.580 And I think that also came about with a lot of the blanket caveat was that, according to the lore, Snorty was just Christianizing things.

07:00:59.500 And again, I spoke about that in the last episode is that that is not, I think, a correct path for any of us to follow is understanding that our ancestors did see, you know, a darkness and a light.

07:01:13.880 there was a gold and an, and an evil. There was good and evil. There was, you know, him and yeah

07:01:20.600 and hell. And it was just that, yes, perhaps there is Christianization in context, 0.81

07:01:27.400 but it's not being made up as in like, there's an absence of it. It's just that he's changing

07:01:33.240 the context. We still have those, those points and references. They, so these people were just

07:01:41.720 basically creating, you know, caveat arguments in order to get out and do what they wanted

07:01:47.160 to do. I'm sorry. I'm reading some of the comments corroborated by Tumblr. What a terrible

07:01:58.160 place. Yes. Uh, that, that, that was what I was speaking of in relation to the blasphemy

07:02:02.960 of, uh, and I'll use that word. Cause I just, not because it's ours, but because it's worth

07:02:08.620 it. It's, it's, uh, the, the, uh, terrible pictures of, um, the Aosa being like utilized

07:02:18.200 for political jargons. Um, Sif wearing a hijab was probably the most, um, uh, just enraging 1.00

07:02:30.880 to see, um, as if that was in, or in some case, you know, because our hair was cut off 0.96

07:02:38.100 in the story by Loki that now

07:02:40.040 she's, you know, down for wearing 0.84

07:02:42.040 Muslim garb. 0.99

07:02:46.260 Or, you know, that 1.00

07:02:47.660 Lord Tyr and the fact

07:02:50.220 that his hand, the hand is missing, that he's

07:02:52.260 somehow,

07:02:53.600 you know, what is it?

07:02:58.040 Or able

07:02:59.480 or I guess pro

07:03:03.280 handicappedness or whatever.

07:03:06.120 Tumblr

07:03:06.800 and basically impious people, they abound and they have a new medium in which they can spread

07:03:13.040 a lot of these ideals. And yes, it's terrible, but there's a lot of people that are kind of

07:03:18.660 working against it. And I think too, another thing that's worth noting is a lot of these people

07:03:22.500 either fall away and don't continue on with their faith towards the gods. They're just using the

07:03:28.640 gods is to prop up their political ideology. Yeah. Sorry, Adam. Yes. Uh, it's wearing a hijab.

07:03:37.240 That was, uh, that was brutal. Um, is, uh, you know, these, they're utilizing the gods to kind 1.00

07:03:47.260 of push their agendas. And that is the greatest way of understanding that they don't believe in

07:03:52.600 the gods as powers. They don't believe that the gods have dominion in their life. They don't

07:03:57.920 believe that and that could ultimately

07:03:59.760 extend to the to the yolk nut as well

07:04:01.920 this is just a game for them this

07:04:03.920 is just something that they're doing on the weekends

07:04:05.860 this is just a lexicon

07:04:07.800 of words that they utilize to

07:04:09.580 I guess apply

07:04:11.960 their 1.00

07:04:12.260 shitty ideology 1.00

07:04:15.500 and it's

07:04:20.020 infuriating absolutely

07:04:21.780 handicapable 1.00

07:04:23.500 terrible

07:04:27.920 So, moving on from that, I'm ranting, if you will.

07:04:38.900 No, no, you're fine. It's absurd, and we don't...

07:04:49.900 By rejecting the foreign faith of Christianity and rejecting its mythos, that's one step.

07:05:02.160 But if we're just transferring the same rebellious edgelord stuff, but putting a Norse coat of paint on it, it's not fixing the problem.

07:05:13.980 I think a lot of our people talk about shifting our worldview, and some of that has to do

07:05:25.680 with shifting our points of reference from a Judaic system of points of reference to

07:05:32.420 an Arian system of points of reference, but it's much more than that.

07:05:37.920 that's a step to get us into a different way of seeing the world but what takes you from

07:05:45.340 something else to being also true isn't that it's that and then aligning yourself with the

07:05:52.800 forces of nobility and order without that other step you're just a different flavor of

07:06:00.540 degenerate edgelord with different symbols

07:06:05.420 well um again a lot of the beauty of um the poetics are here in bellows translations

07:06:19.440 but there's like some key points too that again kind of show up in relation to perhaps the way

07:06:26.700 he translates things um so you know he says in anger smites the water of the earth

07:06:34.900 forth from their homes must all men flee nine paces fares the son of fjorkin we'll get into

07:06:46.100 that and slain by the serpent fearless he sinks so uh you know in 56 in in the old norse uh

07:06:56.260 Now comes in might, the son of Lodh, the earth.

07:07:12.200 So the earth's son of the earth and of Odin, he comes forth to meet the mighty Midgard serpent.

07:07:26.260 And in Midgard's, the usage of the word Veir is really one that I like to, you know, key in on there.

07:07:36.820 Is the, you know, from the might of Midgard's holiness, the Veir, the strength of the, of.

07:07:48.300 So now we're talking about the, the might of the, of, of Thor against Jormungandr.

07:07:54.500 And in this, I like to conceptualize some of the things as we're talking about perhaps greater cosmic ideals instead of just nitpicking on poetics is that I kind of feel when we're talking about the sun of the earth and of the sky, if we're talking about Lord Thor as his point of the, the, between natural law and cosmic order between the sky and the earth, between all of these things.

07:08:23.400 I find it oftentimes worth, you know, considering the might of his being in relation to the earth as like the magnetic.

07:08:35.420 Sometimes, you know, and as we know in this understanding, and I've spoken about that before,

07:08:39.020 as our understanding of science kind of also helps perhaps look at myth or mythos in an interesting way,

07:08:46.460 uh is is this this moment of understanding of like perhaps the magnetic pull or the currents

07:08:55.980 of the of the waters in relation to each other and how these kind of come about and with our

07:09:01.540 understanding of of perhaps the flows underneath the earth and the flows above the earth um we're

07:09:08.880 starting to see that again the great shifting and i've often wondered about the nine paces um

07:09:14.620 there's a lot of theories on it but or conceptualizations i should say not theories

07:09:21.600 conceptualizations as to the nine paces the nine paces could be simply a poetic

07:09:26.500 re-establishing of the holy number nine it could again also be uh seen as perhaps uh phases in

07:09:33.880 which the turning of the earth and the currents are you know composed of as they move and change

07:09:42.120 as this fight between Lord Thor and Jormungandr commit.

07:09:49.860 Oh, I also wanted to mention that Jormungandr means the gigantic wand.

07:09:55.460 Again, and this is a poetic reference to a snake not having legs.

07:10:01.320 A snake not having legs, in an essence, is a gondr,

07:10:04.940 But it's a turning, coiling, gigantic wand is a poetic usage of the name of the great serpent.

07:10:14.600 So if we were to say the world serpent or the, you know, the mighty serpent that looses its tail, you know, it's in equivalency with English that we could say that without, you know, saying the direct translation or because that would lose its poetic meaning.

07:10:31.780 But Jormungandr is oftentimes just viewed as, oh, I've heard people say like Jormungandr or Jormungandr as just a name without contextualizing its poetic meaning.

07:10:44.560 but um you know i wonder often if the scalds that speak of the stories of the gods if the name of

07:10:55.780 like to conceptualize the idea that what if ior mangander is a name that is is utilized for poetic

07:11:03.660 meaning in the old norse but was not spoken of in direct like referencing before the understanding

07:11:13.040 of the serpent is as old as um our people and the idea of then this coalescence of the warrior

07:11:20.080 fighting the serpent the striker fighting the great worm it's all there but it's you know i i

07:11:28.640 think it's important for us to understand that yormungandr is the old norse referencing to this

07:11:37.760 force this this being this serpent the the the that are no undoubtedly our ancestors

07:11:45.520 knew of spoke of and we can clearly see it through all arian mythos um as not being called

07:11:53.760 is that it's like the the force is older than the name but the name is also important because

07:12:00.080 it's one of the last and most beautifully poetically you know uh levied names towards

07:12:06.880 this, this creature. So when people, you know, speak, I think like when they're coming into

07:12:12.780 Alistair and they're speaking about the stories and they, they, oh, that, that's the serpent is

07:12:17.520 Jormungandr and Jormungandr is the, you know, fights with Thor. And instead they should also

07:12:24.560 kind of open up to understanding that Thor, Thunor, Thonaraz, Donner, he has, you know,

07:12:33.520 many names in our variants of names in our languages but he is that mighty god who is

07:12:40.020 fighting against that mighty force um and it goes past the viking age and i say that with

07:12:48.080 air quotes um and it's worth you know noting that um and and again it it places itself

07:12:56.360 when people try to overly translate and stick strictly to old norse without

07:13:01.020 conceptualizing origin of story and where stories come from and why they were spoken they were not

07:13:10.760 spoken always in poetics they were spoken as tales and then those tales you know can be

07:13:17.840 formulized into meter and it's beautiful and even to the point where again it's almost semi

07:13:25.240 um scripture-esque in the idea of how beautiful it's it sounded but i don't think we should

07:13:31.900 overly um focus to the point where we lose origin and core and understanding again that that applies

07:13:40.340 here with um the son of fjorken so fjorken is like the word yarth it is in relation to and

07:13:51.500 snorty calls her a jotun we know that the goddess of the earth as according to tacitus

07:13:57.100 spoke of they he calls her nerthus um and so a lot of times this correlation um is you know

07:14:07.960 seen as more of a linguistic and not a hypostasis thing is that the old norse simply just called

07:14:13.500 nerthus yar because it means the same thing it's the earth it's where we get the word earth from

07:14:18.180 It's where we get the word hearth.

07:14:21.480 And in the same sense, when we talk about Frigga being born of the earth.

07:14:31.640 So Fjorkiner can represent, and it throws people off because it's mentioned clearly,

07:14:37.360 a Fjorkin as she is the goddess of the earth or the dominion of the earth.

07:14:43.020 And she bears forth Frigga.

07:14:44.940 And a lot of people try to, again, hypostasis her and Frigga as being simply the same, or they need to make, again, Odin is singular sky daddy and Frigga now is singular earth mommy.

07:14:58.980 And all of those iterations and the plurality of polytheism kind of starts to get washed away, even by people who claim that they're polytheists.

07:15:07.520 um the uh the the idea of the usage of the word fjörkiner clearly states that he is the son of

07:15:15.800 the earth and that the earth is again yard or the the the birthing of of the solid to the sky the

07:15:27.100 the the above and in that case you know Odin is the sky father that's what he is the father and

07:15:33.780 He is of the sky and he comes and he, you know, melds with Fjörgen or with Fjörgen or with the earth in the beginning when the battle is ensuing.

07:15:50.540 So, you know, a lot of people try to conceptualize, well, no, he couldn't be with Jörg, he would have to be with Frigga.

07:15:56.920 But it's it's they're trying to create marriage lines or, you know, different things and they lose context of what's going on here.

07:16:08.360 As Lord Odin is dynamic and he is threefold, one of his fold comes down and impregnates the earth and the earth then gives forth the great being of fury that is Lord Thor.

07:16:22.800 so um i just uh you know wanted to contextualize that there they're talking about him as the son

07:16:29.600 of the earth but that kind of levies itself to be again the son of yard the son of the earth

07:16:37.380 as a goddess or and as a being that is a domin the dominion of the body of emir um and that puts a

07:16:48.440 lot of uh people in a tizzy um i don't know why but it's like again i think that uh when it comes

07:16:55.040 to tangible bodies whether we're talking about the earth or the moon or the sun it it's very clear

07:17:02.060 for us to say oh or even just let's just say people that we know like oh that's mother nature

07:17:06.620 don't don't mess with mother nature but the manifestation of the elements or the earth

07:17:14.180 Our ancestors saw as much like an inhabited thing, like a house, or the dominion of the earth is being formulated by Yarth.

07:17:27.740 And so therefore he is of the earth through her and of the ground itself, kind of both, the spiritual and the tangible, if you will.

07:17:38.120 Um, so in, in, uh, stanza, uh, 57, uh, the sun turns black, the earth sinks in the sea,

07:17:57.020 the hot stars down from heaven, our world fierce grows the steam and the life feeding flame.

07:18:08.120 till fire leaps high about heaven itself even the sky is on fire

07:18:15.080 the um the one thing here i wanted to see is in relation to a specific word but we're talking

07:18:27.620 about now that the the heavens are engulfed in flames as well in lieu of the earth because

07:18:34.020 remember when we're talking about the heavenly world the center and the above and so if the earth

07:18:41.100 and the world is on fire the the now the flames are reaching the place of the aloftness uh even

07:18:49.440 the tree is being singed by the flames now and that's a you know that's a huge you know huge

07:18:56.740 point as we're seeing movement again in reference to flames. Let me see here.

07:19:08.740 I was wondering too, if you wanted to take a couple of questions.

07:19:13.620 ah yes um the turning turning black so instead um yeah the the kind of dimming

07:19:24.940 to turn into darkness the sun turns into the darkness um

07:19:30.220 and the you know the the great power of the earth uh sinks into the waves

07:19:37.500 um and and um heaven is stirred

07:19:44.040 uh great torrents flow um

07:19:50.480 and old flames are you know lick the edges of heaven as it is it is uh uh set ablaze

07:20:00.300 um 58 then does commit and he adds this he correlates it even though he didn't before

07:20:07.820 uh uh garm cries out again from from nipahel um the fetters will burst the wolf will run free

07:20:20.660 much do i know and more i can see of the fate of the gods and the mighty in fight

07:20:25.280 So this, again, is one of those repetition lines that reemphasizes and recontextualizes who's speaking.

07:20:32.780 A lot is going on here.

07:20:36.220 So there's so much being kind of projected forth that the poet utilizes this as like an anchor point.

07:20:43.840 So as the poet could read through the stanzas from memory in his head, he would then come back to this point.

07:20:51.880 and then like okay after this verse there is this stuff that i need to finish on and perhaps this

07:20:59.580 verse is kind of like a hearkening of the finish it is the final gate in which we move through

07:21:05.840 in order to kind of close out the poem um and this is again it becomes uh very very quick

07:21:17.920 now i do see the earth a new rise all green from the waves again uh he writes the cataracts fall

07:21:26.680 and the and the eagle flies i think this is uh again the overhead all that which is blocking

07:21:35.560 light and blocking the wind is kind of falls and he uses the the cataracts which i thought was

07:21:42.080 truly interesting um and and fish he catches between or beneath the cliffs

07:21:50.740 the eagle catches the fish so everything comes back into order the natural kind of inclination

07:22:06.940 So she really jumps into kind of the destruction of all things to the immediacy of it being kind of reordered again and that things are kind of brought.

07:22:19.080 I've always kind of taken this as perhaps after the great turning of this sundering, this breaking apart,

07:22:26.700 that the order of the eagle catching the fish is, again, the telling of a great amount of time

07:22:36.840 in which things have to work themselves back to the semblance of what we could understand as being normal.

07:22:43.460 um the the gods in in uh and in um either valley in either well the gods and either of all meet

07:22:55.840 together again either of all is the plane of work it's the uh place in which ausgard is built

07:23:01.880 either of all is seen as kind of like the great spance it's a valley if you will um and so again

07:23:09.420 referencing to the gods being in a valley in heaven either of all is that place of potential

07:23:14.780 where ausgard was built i love you and uh they meet together and they speak of the of the uh

07:23:29.100 the holder of the soil the holder of the earth or mold is is dirt soil um

07:23:36.860 earth or ground. And so here they speak again of Jormungandr and the age before when things

07:23:50.740 were settled and the mighty past they call to mind and the ancient runes of the ruler

07:24:00.380 of the gods. Of course, this Fimbletir, they're referring to Lord Odin and his attainment of the

07:24:07.140 runes. So in stanza 60, the gods in Ithaval meet back together. And again, it's not referencing

07:24:14.800 to the sons of the gods, but I think it's understood that there are some who survive and

07:24:20.420 those who do not, and that they are anew in a different way. And now the new hierarchy

07:24:27.460 is is attained the you know generally we speak of the rise of balder unified again whole um

07:24:36.840 with nana and that or that if you will it's like a balder and hob become one as the true form of

07:24:44.840 balder and um you know he takes his stead along with all of the other gods again multiplicity

07:24:54.640 And they speak of Lord Odin and his, the one who knew the way of the runes, who attained them through sacrifice.

07:25:06.380 Yeah.

07:25:07.060 That, you know, that part right there about the gathering of the gods in Ithavol.

07:25:25.340 And I think it's also worth referencing that perhaps they're calling to mind Ithavol

07:25:29.960 because it's the place in which Asgard stood.

07:25:32.960 and that they're talking about the new potential being built up again.

07:25:45.140 In verse 61, we move into the Vala again describing the return.

07:25:53.580 This is the kind of the new dawn, if you will, of the gods as the cycle realigns itself again.

07:26:02.060 The holy land of the gods has been sundered.

07:26:07.860 Heaven was given asunder.

07:26:10.180 And now things are turning and that new dawn is to arise again.

07:26:15.220 In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden table stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in days of old.

07:26:22.940 So the remnants of the heavenly order, the remnants of all that which they built, the organization of the world, lays in ruin and they are being picked up by the new descendants of the gods.

07:26:37.320 then fields unsewed bear ripened fruit all ills grow better and balder returned balder comes back

07:26:47.100 there balder and hoth dwell in hrupt's battle hall in their father's hall they stand and the

07:26:57.060 mighty gods all of them would you yet would you know more you know would you uh would you know

07:27:05.640 yet more um here is an interesting part too i think that um one of the the points that i bring

07:27:16.780 up about uh lord odin as being the the three if you will the three is one and the one is three is

07:27:24.800 in here in reference to honor um and his taking of the of the prophetic wand um is the idea that

07:27:33.640 Lord Odin is three, but one, and if one is, one is taken down, he is not let go. He is not

07:27:46.320 destroyed in whole. Um, and so again, Connor or, uh, uh, Vili, if you will, takes up the prophetic

07:27:57.240 Like wands, the understanding of the runes, if you will, the tines.

07:28:08.360 And the sons of the brothers of Tveki abide in Vindheim now.

07:28:16.960 And you know more or how.

07:28:19.780 So this is truly, I believe, like this is a really, really interesting translation.

07:28:32.040 When we talk about Twiggy, I think they're referencing to Odin, and I've brought this up numerous times about him being the trifold.

07:28:41.240 But if he is slain in Ragnarok as one, there are two that still remain in the idea.

07:28:49.400 but it's not two separate. It is still Odin. Odin still remains, but now is two. So he is the twined

07:28:58.100 one, the twisting one, the one that is bound together in twos. So I've always kind of taken

07:29:05.340 these translations as why I, at Odin's Hoff, when I spoke, I said Odin is three but one and one but

07:29:13.220 three is again kind of in correlation to these stanzas and the idea that the dynamicism of of

07:29:19.780 lord odin is that he is a tripartite and that tripartite is stilled after ragnarok because

07:29:27.620 one of the three is kind of destroyed but he is still here he is still uh you know takes place

07:29:35.860 within Vili and as Vey or in this, you know, Tveki, the twice bound now instead of the tri bound.

07:29:53.440 Then more fair than the sun, a hall I see roost in gold, it is Gimli. And a lot of people have

07:30:00.820 always i i don't know where this came about the idea of gimli it stands there shall the righteous

07:30:06.980 rulers dwell and happiness ever there shall they have and um somewhere along the way someone was

07:30:12.820 trying to say like gimli is the heaven of the gods if they were it's like the place above ausgard or

07:30:19.620 they try to create like another level i don't think that's the case i think this is they're

07:30:24.000 speaking of now the the golden hall the joyous hall of gimle is the the new hall in which the gods um

07:30:35.760 commit their their enacting of order again um and there comes up my all power to hold

07:30:44.560 a mighty lord in all lands he rules and so this is um this is an interesting one too

07:30:54.480 uh because they some i mean this might very well be um again perhaps an interpolation

07:31:04.800 but it says you know thou cammer in riki that then comes in the kingdom at uh ray and domi the

07:31:14.560 regent domini or the, you know, again, it's, it's, uh, these words exist in United through

07:31:21.380 Aryan languages is that this is the, you know, in the kingdom, um, this, this mighty, uh, world

07:31:28.720 leader is to rule over. And you can take this in a lot of different ways. Some people have said,

07:31:35.460 you know, this is the Christianization part. It's not what he's talking about, you know, uh,

07:31:40.500 jesus and he has mentioned in other poetic forms a kind of correlation um that may i mean that

07:31:49.460 were far more uh clear but he might not he could also be speaking of perhaps a worldly leader or

07:31:57.980 an avatar of the gods that takes over the dominion of the earth or takes a dominion of the folk or

07:32:04.800 takes a dominion of of the the lands um this could also have a historical reference and the

07:32:11.340 idea that perhaps it was placed out that like the king of norway or uh it was that harold the fair

07:32:17.540 hair kind of took over the dominion of norway and so the idea of this trope of a of a of a uniting

07:32:23.920 king is still there even outside of a christian context so it doesn't always have to be that he's

07:32:31.480 just throwing in this uh he's referring to jesus he's he's christianizing it because again i think

07:32:36.260 that facilitates that excuse elsewhere i think what it's more important to say is that the the

07:32:44.040 idea of a unifying leader comes forth and this could be the leader of the gods or it could be

07:32:49.980 the leader of the folk it's kind of left you know open um and it says uh from below the dragon dark

07:33:00.240 comes forth. Nithhogg still exists. Nithhogg, the soul of Ymir still rides because again, 0.63

07:33:08.560 he is, he is not mentioned as being slain in all of Ragnarok. Um, and from below, you know,

07:33:17.080 he, he comes forth flying from Nithafjol, from, from the underworld or from, from the land and

07:33:25.400 the shadow beneath uh the the bodies of men upon his or the corpses he he bears upon his wings the

07:33:33.520 serpent bright uh bright but now must sink so again i think this is a a another iteration and

07:33:42.320 another reason why i often refer to nidhogar as the soul of emir is that he rises in the in the um

07:33:50.260 as his soul was released in the beginning then too he rises up during the upsurgence and must

07:33:57.500 sink down again as he is part of that gravitas the the soul of emir and nidhogg is as correspondent

07:34:05.040 in polarity to the brightness and the soul power of yggdrasil and of uh of um bar and best law

07:34:14.960 and their creation as of heaven these polarics have to exist it's continuously in our in our

07:34:22.560 mythos cycle and so they have to state it in a way to kind of again bring it and i think that's

07:34:28.400 very arian so that's why the stanza 65 i don't always kind of correlate strictly to snorty

07:34:35.820 trying to christianize anything as it is more or less a reaffirming of the unifier leadership the

07:34:44.520 unifier. It could mean even just

07:34:46.480 like again

07:34:47.140 the rule of faith

07:34:50.440 over the folk

07:34:52.360 and that the folk now come to

07:34:54.820 understanding the gods and

07:34:58.040 living their life in

07:35:00.540 unification under

07:35:01.720 the rulership and the

07:35:04.500 region of faith itself

07:35:06.600 towards the gods

07:35:07.440 and are no longer

07:35:10.320 sundered or broken. I think it's far

07:35:12.420 too easy

07:35:13.400 for us to take anything that's confusing in the lore and immediately,

07:35:21.080 oh, well, Snorri's trying to Christianize it.

07:35:24.380 I think that's an easy answer for anything that we don't understand.

07:35:29.540 And I think that's intellectually lazy,

07:35:33.780 and I don't think it's doing our job to try to understand our lore,

07:35:39.420 understand our faith and build a better a better understanding of of our god for us

07:35:48.540 and the wisdom of our ancestors um there's nothing in there it talks about jesus

07:35:55.900 um i and as fawn said i don't think we have perfect clues on exactly what that reference at the very

07:36:05.500 end is um but the idea of unifying are just constantly bickering people that have such

07:36:17.420 hard times getting along with each other unifying them under a mighty lord that

07:36:24.700 controls things and that's in charge of stuff is a really nice idea it can mean a lot of different

07:36:30.620 things and to struggle to come to a more perfect understanding of what that might be i think is

07:36:38.940 interesting and inspirational and shouldn't just be a oh that's just jesus stuff

07:36:45.500 like a quick go-to and i think that's lazy and unfair

07:36:50.220 I think one of the things that I'm very I've always been very inspired by is some of this

07:37:04.260 imagery in the velocity how it uh

07:37:13.700 how the the cycle of our divinity

07:37:19.940 starts and ends in this tale with the bookends of

07:37:26.740 structuring order and restructuring order the bookends of um you know in wondrous beauty once

07:37:40.580 again shall the golden table stand with the grass with the god which the gods had owned in the days

07:37:45.460 of old this re-establishment of the natural order of our gods and divinity within the cosmos after

07:37:54.580 after that wolf age and that time of destruction.

07:38:01.540 It's been very inspirational in the fact that we are reforging the faith of our ancestors.

07:38:13.680 That we went through a period of, you know, a thousand years or more, 0.69

07:38:18.240 depending on the place of our gods being submerged in the murk and the deep of Christianity

07:38:27.880 and our reclaiming the things of our ancestors, resetting things up, rewriting the tables,

07:38:37.960 reoccupying the halls honoring the gods once again um that that imagery is very inspirational

07:38:48.640 to how so true as we have it today and the things that we're doing the things that we're doing

07:38:54.900 together and the the goals that we're trying to achieve i think that that imagery is a is a

07:39:00.620 powerful thing to guide us through that process.

07:39:10.760 So I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did.

07:39:16.320 I've enjoyed having this time to go through the Valespa with you,

07:39:20.380 and I've really enjoyed listening to Witten Svahn share his deep insights on this with us

07:39:29.540 and go through this with us.

07:39:32.280 So thank you very much for that, Svon.

07:39:35.260 Oh, absolutely.

07:39:36.740 This is good.

07:39:39.400 I'm reading these comments.

07:39:42.260 I'm reading a lot of these great points.

07:39:45.460 I think one thing that was brought up is, you know, the ideas.

07:39:50.060 You'll hear a lot of the word interpolation in relation to the,

07:39:54.720 like when they're looking at Hauxbach and the Regis,

07:39:58.640 the codex regius and uh is there an interpolation or was it dropped out was it forced in there's a

07:40:05.080 lot of that but if if we read the entirety of it as as the stories themselves that i think they're

07:40:12.960 it's clear that they have like a great correlation when people correlate the futhark with the you

07:40:18.760 know the volus bow here's the other thing in relation if this is the only edict poem that

07:40:24.460 you ever read or have ever read then there's all kind of references to things you may not be

07:40:30.940 familiar with there's things that may not make as much sense one of the things with our lore

07:40:40.140 is there's not a clear stopping and starting point because it's gathered from far and wide

07:40:49.620 once you become more familiar with all of the different stories that we have access to

07:40:57.260 each of them shed light on the others and you gain a more complete understanding and a more

07:41:05.380 complete picture of the story as told and it gives insight to these little tidbits that may

07:41:11.960 seem odd or may not be readily accessible to you. So that's a really cool thing. Also,

Asatru Folk Assembly - January 21, 2024

Völuspá, a stanza-by-stanza breakdown

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