00:00:00.000i wanted to have swan on to go through piece by piece the text of the edit poem the the
00:00:29.200spell. It is, I think it is probably one of, if not the most, I guess, widely known, most popular
00:00:43.400maybe stories in the Etta. I think it fills in a lot of foundational material for our faith
00:00:51.700that's really important. And it's something that we could have no better person on than Svan to
00:00:59.680help shine a light on and talk to about with you guys swan can you give people
00:01:07.760some background on like the historical text that is the vlas bow where we find it any of
00:01:16.160the history on it um any notes on the original language or just kind of anything folks that
00:01:22.480may be completely unfamiliar might need to know before we go into the the actual text
00:01:29.040Yeah. One thing to consider is, let's just start with the name, Valu. Valu is connected. It's the grammar derivative connecting it to speech or to the truth of speech.
00:01:46.880And so the proper name for a prophetess is actually a vala, and that's how she's referred to as a vala, but the name, the title, voluspau, is the grammatical change of vala is to valu, and spau means speech or truth or prophecy is kind of what it's translated to.
00:02:13.340But it's yeah, it's the it's very similar to in English when we talk about sooth saying and the meaning of Anglo-Saxon, the word sooth and its relation to actually telling the truth, even though now we we kind of correlate it to to like con artistry.
00:02:39.340That's not where it comes from. And so this is the Vala's prophecy is one of the best ways to kind of look at this and to understand it. And what's going on is the way it's written, it's first worth noting that, and there isn't much of a kind of contexting.
00:03:03.540it's more or less that the the starting of the poem is about the thular who's sitting down
00:03:11.460who is uh speaking to the folks gathered in the hall and then it shifts over and the context then
00:03:19.580becomes a raising of the valla from the underworld so lord odin goes into the place farthest away
00:03:31.060from time and pulls out this being, which is not quite a human. Uh, oftentimes she's referred to
00:03:39.940as a witch or a human. Um, but there's some hints in there that she might not actually be. She may
00:03:46.720be of some sort of elder blood or Yotnar blood. Um, because she doesn't make mention of that,
00:03:52.520But she is being risen with a purpose, and that purpose is to figure out Helgard is being bedecked with gold, and there is a feast being prepared.
00:04:09.900So Odin is ultimately trying to figure out who is this being prepared for.
00:04:15.140And the Valla, she is establishing herself initially by stating that she knows many things, great things, ancient things.
00:04:29.620And then she switches over to explaining why the halls are being bedecked and ultimately what is to come for the gods in the writ of her doom.
00:04:46.740It's never really stated how she comes to know this, but that she is somehow a part of that understanding.
00:04:55.640um it's it's interesting because the context of it is is i think most important to understand
00:05:02.980this conversation is between lord odin and and the valla and it's for a present moment but she
00:05:11.700then presents the poem in a past present and what will come for the gods ultimately there is some
00:05:20.240uh other interesting things and one of the things that you got to bear in mind is that
00:05:25.200um there is a litany of dwarves and uh the dvergar and that is kind of a
00:05:33.440a niche part uh oftentimes it's removed from translations and um or it's glossed over or
00:05:42.580it's simply stated in parentheses this is where the litany of the dwarves comes from
00:05:46.320there's some interesting things that are said but after that um there's no real information per se
00:05:55.040uh interesting in some of the name meanings but i think that the ultimate purpose of the dwarven
00:06:03.640litany uh perhaps is linking to stories that we might have lost in particular the uh the four
00:06:11.280hearts that are in heaven that are nibbling from the tree um that there's connections to the dwarves
00:06:20.200there, but we don't have any stories of how those connections are made. Um, but I think it's more
00:06:26.560important that it was a practice ability for the poet to build his alliteration, um, rhyming. So
00:06:36.880that's something worth noting. Uh, I mean, we can, we're going to look into it a little bit,
00:06:41.080but not a ton, uh, unless people want to. And, um, uh, but I wanted to let people know that
00:06:49.120there might be a large chunk of this that we might kind of hurdle over, at least in this first
00:06:55.420episode. So, yes, Lord Odin is calling forth the Vala and trying to figure out what is going to
00:07:05.260happen now that Balder, the bold one, the greatest of the gods, has been slain by his brother,
00:07:13.900ultimately by the hand of his blood brother, which makes, of course, Loki a kinslayer.
00:07:22.120And now he has come down and he's raising her up to figure out what's going on.
00:07:29.720And she's establishing her prowess with history right out the gate.
00:08:32.140more importantly to be seen as an intro by the poet by the scold uh by the the speaker in the
00:08:41.760hall and um right away it's kind of a calming of the hall to let everyone know but there's
00:08:48.780some interesting things in here so um in the hearing i ask uh comes from the pause or to take
00:08:58.980note uh silence is is some more of the proper translation is you know i bid ye silence
00:09:08.520um all all these holy beings now in in bellows translation um he uniquely says from the holy
00:09:18.740races. Um, and, and again, that just brings up interesting questions. And a lot of that about
00:09:25.260translations is where we get, um, some interesting points. Um, and I wanted to kind of, um, play that
00:09:34.340off of, um, and no reason for people to like scramble for this or, or what have you, but, um,
00:09:41.320hollander the hollander translations 1928 are very interesting too uh but it's just i wanted to
00:09:50.540make note of how translations can change things some of them can be extremely far off and then
00:09:57.460sometimes they can hit the mark just right so um in hollander's translations it's it's hear me all
00:10:05.000ye hallowed beings um whereas in uh bellows it's it's silence i ask all from the from the holy
00:10:14.040races um so i thought that was really interesting uh the use of of the word kinder for races um
00:10:24.200kinder literally is kind of like a it's not like or it's kinder it's not kinder like in german it
00:10:32.120It means beings or people of the hall.
00:10:35.320So silence I bid all the holy beings and the sons of Heimdall.0.58
00:10:41.180And I think this is really worth noting that the creation of the proto, I guess what would be like the breath of Odin in the proto-Aryan or what would be the proto-folk.
00:11:02.120But it ultimately comes down to the most recent in the sense that in Rigstula, Heimdall comes down by generations or epochs.
00:11:15.560And those generations breed forth what they often refer to as the slave or slave structure.
00:11:23.680I've seen a bunch of very strange things.
00:11:29.900Um, but it's worth noting that the, um, the people that he visits are clearly associated with time. So this generational sense, um, is important, but in this case, it may be seen as the strata of the Jarls to the Thralls is kind of how this is being used.
00:11:56.120From Heimdall's children, both high and low, Thou will, Thou Father, that I will relate.
00:12:05.580So by your grace or by your power, I will relate these old tales of men long ago.
00:12:12.860And that first stanza is the announcement of the speaker and doesn't necessarily denote the shift.
00:12:27.860a shift. Now, some people have argued that the scald continues on or that this is the
00:12:34.580valla, but it seems far more flat than everything else that comes to follow. So I've always
00:12:46.080taken this to be the introduction from the scald telling everyone. So, you know, silence
00:12:52.560and I bid, hearing I ask from the holy races, from Heimdall's sons, both high and low, thou wilt,
00:13:00.040thou father, that I relate the old tales I remember of men long ago. I remember yet the giants of
00:13:09.220yore. This is a stanza two, who gave me bread in the days gone by. Nine worlds I knew, the nine in
00:13:18.520the tree with mighty roots beneath the mold. So mold is an interesting word because again,
00:13:27.540mold is ground or soil. And I would, you know, the references of using it in relation to soil.
00:13:37.900But this is where it gets kind of interesting. So most people are speculating on the idea that
00:13:43.160this is now the Vala speaking. Some people say it is not, or that the Vala was always speaking.
00:13:51.140But the nine worlds, the nine places, domains, the homes of things are kind of what's really being
00:14:03.680portrayed here. And that's, you know, I think very important when we talk about cosmology and
00:14:11.620And we talk about the way that Ausatru formulates the worlds as like a circulatory system with the roots being the drawback and all of time disseminating from heaven and kind of flowing from the top down.
00:15:38.680it's the quickest go-to for the the laying out of our cosmology of
00:15:43.320of getting you very quickly into the mythic realm of understanding those cosmological
00:15:55.420components that make up Ausitru and that give context to everything else.
00:16:00.800So I think this one has gone back to very often because it's very important that way.
00:16:07.840It paints this picture in a way that was very easily accessible to our ancestors.
00:16:14.020And I think is, of what we have, the easiest for us to access and conceptualize.
00:16:25.480And it's great because the tangible works of the origination of Ausatru kind of was
00:16:36.300presented in organizing things kind of in a strata of the worlds. And sometimes I'm sure a lot of
00:16:44.160people that have been asked for a long time are familiar with the idea of cosmology being kind of
00:16:50.460placed in a set kind of way. And these are really brought about from the poems, the stories,
00:16:59.900the placement of things and the words in which things are said are important because they also
00:17:07.100denote ancient concepts that are present in all Arian faiths. The upper world, that middle world,
00:17:14.280the lower world, some of the worlds are kind of intermediary. And then we have like the world of
00:17:20.960the West and the world of the East. And we're going to get into here just some of the ideas of
00:17:26.620like how directions are correlated with understanding
00:17:32.940or meaning, especially in relation to the audience.
00:17:37.380And it goes, for many of us, it goes without saying,
00:17:42.560but I think it's important just as we're starting out
00:17:46.680for everyone to understand the language of poetry
00:17:51.680The language of poetry and the language of myth is to liken things to things that we're already familiar with and to express things in a way that we can visualize truth, but not intended in a literal way.
00:18:12.560in the same sense that you know you can't go to the edge of each of these nine worlds
00:18:17.680and grab the bark of a tree that you somehow you know what kind of tree is it can you take0.90
00:18:24.180a sapling from it and as silly as as silly as that sounds up front I have met people0.82
00:18:30.500who one of specifically Mandy and I had dinner with a person one time his0.80
00:18:37.600his like re-understanding of things is you know he found some really ancient
00:18:47.020mesas in the desert that kind of look like the trunk of a tree but like super duper giant size
00:18:54.800I think some of us have seen those things like ah maybe that's the you know maybe something like
00:19:02.520that is what the you know what yggdrasil was they're looking and it's easy to see that level
00:19:12.280of literalism as being really silly from a distance and in a way it is but if your context
00:19:20.360is the abrahamic faiths that are built upon literal translation of of their sacred texts
00:19:29.380if that's the demand then out of piety to our gods you you flail in your scramble to try to
00:19:38.560make impossible things possible so the lore can literally be accurate and i appreciate the effort
00:19:46.860put in on that but that's it's unnecessary and it was never the intention and that's a
00:19:52.060The need for it to be an exact, literal truth from the lips of Odin that this is how things are, that's a foreign concept, and that's not how our lore is.
00:20:05.700And honestly, I think that's a beautiful element of our work because it expresses things in a fundamentally relevant way that is geared intrinsically and genetically to our people and how our people see and understand the world around them with their points of, you know, their touchstones of commonality and things that make sense to them.
00:20:33.800And of how they conceive things and how they shape things. And it paints cosmic and mythic truths in a style familiar to us and to our soul that speaks, you know, beyond just mental, you know, analytical comprehension, but it speaks on an artistic level that appeals to, you know, to our folk soul.
00:20:59.940yeah i think um i've seen one other thing that was kind of caught my eye was um and this of
00:21:10.400course is on uh twitter or x but there was some some guys uh kind of going for the uh not that
00:21:16.960myths are literal but that lit that the that there is literalism of the myths and so what
00:21:27.480they ended up saying was like that our disconnection to mythos comes from our inability to conceptualize
00:21:36.520um i guess the the magical sight of things and and i kind of see where they're going with this
00:21:44.940but they were like no the tree is there and it's it it loses a lot of the point i think like
00:21:53.320a lot of things that we when we dissect Aryan faith from all different branches are lost like
00:22:01.140perfect example is um the the point and placement of Mount Olympus in the Hellenics
00:22:08.200and and how the mountain itself is utilized as kind of a an axis mundi whereas for the
00:22:17.520germanic and the norse uh or let's just say germanic may have been the erminsul as a kind
00:22:23.940of posting or central point of the council of the gods around the pole um or the central axis of the
00:22:31.700world uh perhaps even holding up the gods or the heavenly realms and then of course the nordic was
00:22:37.900the tree so there's a lot of shifting around and people if they take things literally lose a lot
00:22:45.180of insight towards what it means to even have an axis money. What does it mean that Aryan faiths
00:22:52.880have a central point? And the interesting thing, again, is, is it in the middle world? Is it in
00:22:59.800the upper world? It's certainly not in the lower world. That's, that's pretty clear all across the
00:23:05.380board. Um, but it's just, it makes an interesting point and you lose that if you just simply say,
00:23:12.400uh you know the the myths are uh not literal but that they are that we are literally to believe
00:23:22.600them to be literal it was kind of an interesting thing it was it was kind of like no this is there
00:23:27.820are no allegoric meanings the myths are true but beyond the confines of material thought
00:23:37.900so reading the chat wolf throne no worries we are only on stanza two so we have just finished
00:23:45.440a lot of it was just me doing some shop talk about fundraisers and stuff at the top of the
00:23:54.200year so no worries um oh also i just want to acknowledge a 21 donation from charlie thank
00:24:02.320you charlie we appreciate you guys i appreciate everybody tonight and everybody who wants to
00:24:07.000chip in and help out. You guys are great. It's y'all's generosity that allows these things to
00:24:12.240get done. Something I think, and we'll kind of stop and interject and we'll find our flow as
00:24:21.500this goes on and we continue, but something else that I think is important to,
00:24:27.180I don't know, inject early on when we're talking about
00:24:30.880the need or lack thereof to force literality or to force um
00:29:29.280So following over in the chat on the side, and again, I know we're spending a long time on the first two here, but we're laying some really important foundations, I think.
00:29:38.020Rome age 14 makes the point that the myths are symbolism, but the gods are real.
00:29:44.380Those two concepts aren't some kind of juxtaposition.
00:33:12.080Yeah, this is the starting of an understanding.
00:33:18.420We know that in order for a gap to be, there has to be two sides.
00:33:24.140So the idea is that Mosbelheim and Nibelheim are those two edging gaps between, but they're the two sides. The gap in between is the nothingness, the expanding expanse.
00:33:42.460And in this case, what is most referenced to is how things are coming to being and or spreading apart. And it's really just emphasizing again, in the ages old, where Ymir dwelled in the gap, there was nothing.
00:34:04.500There was just the proto, it was Ymir, it was Yggdrasil. So oftentimes in the stories when I tell my stories, I talk about Yggdrasil and Ymir in the mist of the middle or the gap of the middle.
00:34:23.920As the mists from Nivelheim or the water and the torrents of ice and primordial is heated by the heat of cosmic creation or radiation, if we want to go in that interesting perspective, is that that's what creates the matter in the middle.
00:34:46.260And that matter in the middle formulates into Ymir and Yggdrasil and ultimately Adumla.
00:34:56.280And there we have our first tripartite, which is something that I continually bang on there.
00:35:04.040But yeah, so of the old age, when Ymir lived, sea nor cool waves, nor sand there was, earth had not been, nor heaven above, but a yawning gap and grass nowhere.0.55
00:35:16.260Um, and then the Vala kind of cuts immediately to, um, the raising of the land, the, the lifting of0.69
00:35:28.000the, of the, um, of the soil of the earth or the flesh of Ymir. She doesn't go into, uh, the slaying0.74
00:35:37.800or of of um the specifics she just kind of sets it immediately boars or burr suns um then burr's
00:35:48.560suns lifted um the level land in midgard the the mighty uh they there they made the sun from the
00:35:57.760south it warmed the stones of the earth green was the ground with growing leaks and this again is
00:36:05.960establishment of all of the the slaying of emir and all of that which comes to be the torrents
00:36:17.120of the blood the the formula formulating uh the stones from from teeth these are covered like in
00:36:23.720the gilfagining but in this poem it's already known that the the audience would be familiar
00:36:31.780with these, with these concepts. So it's being quite matter of factly placed out there.
00:36:41.700I wanted to say a word on Ginnungagab for a second.
00:36:50.780There's some, I don't know, scholarly debate on a little bit of the etymology,
00:36:56.380But the prefix of gin in ginungagap is often used as a prefix that relates things to the gods or holiness or magical might.
00:37:15.920And so, yes, it's a yawning void, but it has the implication that it's containing magical essence, containing the magical potentiality for things.
00:37:34.040And this concept we'll harken back to at different times, but the idea of the primal wellspring of existence and of creation being a source of creative magic, a source of creative holiness that goes into the animation of our universe with might of magic and with art.
00:38:04.040holiness uh it's also worth noting just going back to that part um the the yawning or the the
00:38:13.740great potential of it is separated in the translation the gap that is of like of a yawning
00:38:21.520potential or or or a a sense of something to come or or that which is moving apart and that things
00:38:30.220are welling up within it um but there's also another part too that and this was from a
00:38:34.880conversation a long time ago uh the in the nor in heaven above the word heaven most people might
00:38:41.800think the translation shows um some sense that heaven is like a christian word it is not the
00:38:49.700Nordic word is him or him in, but in old or in old English, it's, it's he oven. And so they have
00:39:00.780the same root. The word heaven is a Germanic word, just like the word God, just like the word hell,
00:39:07.160all of these things. So I remember someone saying, you know, I kind of bristle every time you say
00:39:11.600heaven, why are you saying heaven? And I was like, because it's, it's our word. I'm, uh, you know,
00:39:16.600i'm not trying to say like oh we're taking it back it's just that like so many other things uh when
00:39:22.480we get into the fact that the bible is you know was written and utilized with middle english and
00:39:28.860and at that time we still have to understand that the poems as they're being translated
00:39:35.400are they you they're using older english words sometimes they're doing that uh other times
00:39:43.500they're not, but, uh, you know, they're, they're utilizing that in relation. So you find the
00:39:48.600commonality in there. Um, just considering about when those times were, how they were speaking or
00:39:54.880what they were attempting to translate to, because there's ideals, these, uh, stories of
00:40:00.060translations are coming around the late 1800s, early 1900s being formulized into English and
00:40:05.500to german and again middle english is already an older form and but you can find better translations
00:40:14.300with certain things like thou and and and thus even though they're not in common usage anymore
00:40:19.820so i just wanted to bring that up him and him and yeah heaven the upward heaven and again very
00:40:26.300important in understanding the the ground in which we stand upon and the heaven above us and
00:40:33.660why this it's so important that these directions are correlated in our stories and in the way
00:40:40.460in the relation between the way our ancestors saw the gods in relation to themselves and how we see
00:40:46.220the gods even in this modern day is seeing when we look up when we see the gods we we call to them
00:40:53.660and ask them to bear witness to our deeds as they gather to counsel in the above so and that
00:41:01.660So that's subtle, but I think the orientation inspires us in a lot of ways.
00:41:10.900There's little subtle things that are themes throughout,
00:41:15.800but the idea of us looking upwards, gazing up at the heavens towards our gods,
00:41:21.280towards our future, towards our destiny.
00:41:23.240up has a deeply seated understanding in our soul good things like you level up when you
00:41:37.460when you get something better you don't level down the idea of upwardness
00:41:43.040being associated with betterment with good with potential with becoming more that orientation is
00:41:54.340really important and it was a source of inspiration to our ancestors to our folk in
00:42:00.700general looking up at at what's good and what's what's best and the you know the
00:42:06.780understanding of like south and north and what those correlate to our ancestors were seeing
00:42:14.420things in a plainer sense of where they were standing and what the north represented and
00:42:20.440the south represented what the east and the west represented to them religiously symbolically
00:42:28.060mythically or meta-narratively whatever we you know we want to say but we you know the idea was
00:42:33.800that from where they were standing there was a central point and that central point there was
00:42:39.820the gods and the gods were upon either uh you know mountainous peaks or a place up above or a place
00:42:47.740slightly above the clouds because you know when we talk about the the skeins of light of leo
00:42:53.540selfheim uh you know they're kind of referenced as being the um the the the plane in between the
00:43:01.400upper end and where we are and but the the gods are often referred to as being in this mountainous
00:43:08.680place and it's referred to like numerous times in the idea that it's not just ausgard it's not just
00:43:16.920like a castle in the sky there is a land around it a place these mountains where heimdall resides
00:43:23.880where the tree is where the well is where loki you know uh pulls the um uh stallion
00:43:33.720off distracting when he's when he's making the walls of ausgard you know there's a place outside
00:43:40.280so the heavenly world was seen as kind of like a an upper world perhaps on a mountainous sense
00:43:46.520that was surrounded by the tops of the mountains that in the center there was this great land or
00:43:52.840this great valleys or numerous valleys and in the center of that was the tree and the the tree's
00:44:00.520roots go down into that that that land of of heavenly being and then those roots go to where
00:44:07.320no one knows you know it's not quite known by everyone where those roots go and and and that's
00:44:13.400because they descend down into the realms um unseen and they're to note they're not in
00:44:20.040in the earth they're not in the yard they're not in midgarth but they are in the middle realm
00:44:27.320they're just in jotunheim in the place of the primordial and where things are kind of being
00:44:33.060pulled pulled from um so i think that it's worth noting that like our ancestors saw that as like
00:44:40.020when they thought about the gods they thought about the gods in this upper place this perhaps
00:44:44.540on the peaks of mountains what mountains it's not really specified it's not like mount olympus or
00:44:50.860or something like that it's it it's more or less seen as an undisclosed place in which the you know
00:44:58.300again the rainbow bridge which is um a shimmering path is not seen as every rainbow but that the
00:45:06.540shimmering path is likened to a rainbow that extends up into that upper world and now we
00:45:13.180you know we see that as these points are again symbolic or allegoric to understanding we've
00:45:19.740always seen the gods as in the place above yggdrasil is in the place above the the norns
00:45:27.420are in the place above witnessing through the well so that's something we're going to be
00:45:34.860seeing and and re-emphasizing over and over and over again or i will at least
00:45:40.460um also i suppose before we hit uh stanza five here um we have a
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00:46:59.220the value becomes worth more than than the sum of the dollar bills on it and we've seen that
00:47:05.560it sounds fanciful but we've we've seen that time and time again
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00:47:20.140hey then you might not be able to give that much in relation to how much you're dealing with
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00:47:35.680people think i think that the the donation idea is that when you're falling on hard times you
00:47:40.920gotta give a lot no it's the one per a one percent of minimal everybody's focused on that one there's
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00:47:55.820else to mention here um on stanza four as i'm looking at it and what we are doing is focusing
00:48:04.100on points that's fun and i want to jump on that we think are particularly meaningful at the time
00:48:09.720if you guys have things to add that you have questions about over on the side please ask
00:48:15.780questions if you'd like um and then i wanted to uh just kind of mention so that is to say this
00:48:27.300as i mentioned there's layers we could go over this forever and there would still probably be
00:48:32.020little pieces here and there and points of connectivity to point out one thing that just
00:48:35.940kind of stands out before we hit number five though is the point about and green was the ground
00:48:42.980with growing leeks. The idea of the leek.
00:48:50.340Herbally to our ancestors, the leek was a special plant. There was a lot to it. It was associated
00:48:59.700with healing. It was an auspicious plant, not to mention delicious and did things that way.
00:49:11.960But it was associated a lot with healing.
00:49:15.040And I think Svan may have a little bit more to add about herb lore when it comes to our ancestors and leek.
00:49:22.520Well, and yeah, the Goths, they called healing arts or medicine, as we would use today, or medicinal or medical, was leekscroft.
00:49:33.140And it's kind of argued as to whether or not they're referring to leeches, but a lot of people speculate that the leeks part is not about the transference of blood or fluids, but medicinal sense.
00:49:49.780And that in correlation to healing salves, balms, and soups, the leek, and the leek is the cornerstone of most of the medicinal practices of the Germanic people.
00:50:02.940But it's also worth noting, too, that the leek is a broad term for, like, garlic was oftentimes just referred to as the spear leek, which is why gar, which means spear, and lick is a leek.
00:50:23.020So just the sense of leeks in and of themselves, the sprouting green vitality.
00:50:29.220A lot of people think, too, that Lagu is the rune. The symbol of it is a leek rising up and kind of wilting at the end as it sprouts from the ground. And there's heavy connections towards healing in relation to that rune.
00:50:48.760So, yeah, one of the holy rivers in heaven is called the Leek River or the Sprouting River.
00:50:57.340Some people translate it as to the Spear River, but it's more likely in reference to garlic or to the sacred plants of medicinal healing.
00:51:11.680It's not necessarily specifically garlic, as the word leek has a lot of tendencies towards health, healing, and vitality.
00:51:20.380So it was natural that they would, you know, choose that as a reference.
00:51:29.960So next we move into another interesting point that I wanted to bring out,
00:51:35.220is that I think if you read Alvismal and if you read Volospow and the references that they're
00:51:44.260talking about in relation to the sun and the moon, if you understand the way our ancestors saw things,
00:51:50.420these things are slightly less confusing. One of the things that's worth noting is, again,
00:51:55.780from where we stand, there's this central place where the mountains rise up or, excuse me, above
00:52:02.360the clouds and there is this land where the gods live in all of their um realms and there is the
00:52:10.600tree and there is the place where they counsel and the sun and the moon correlate to the upper
00:52:17.540place just as much as the middle and you'll see that a lot more in alvis mall but um the idea of
00:52:24.560of what the gods call the sun and the moon and what the uh the the dvergar or the the svartalfar
00:52:33.820call the sun and the moon and i think it's worth noting that they saw this as like the upper world
00:52:39.860that the sun and the moon was shared just as much as the lower world with all the cycles of things
00:52:45.680um and so it it makes a lot more sense if you look at it that way than going like what is there a
00:52:52.840separate sun and a separate moon or is it are they are they on the planet if you try to like
00:52:59.340hard line it it's it gets a little confusing but that's because the way our ancestors saw it was
00:53:04.700this and it's worth noting i i find it really interesting the usage of the word about placing
00:53:11.800the sun in the right hand casting over heaven's rim this is specifically correlated to northern
00:53:17.600climates um but so yeah stanza number five the sun the sister of the moon from the south her
00:53:24.660right hand casts over heaven's rim no knowledge she had where her home should be the moon knew
00:53:32.060not the might was his the stars knew not where their stations were so one of the interesting
00:53:41.880things that you know when we talk about sun wise movement um the reference of moving around the
00:53:49.240earth sun wise or that the sun is moving around the earth sun wise on the rim of heaven is something
00:53:55.960that if you've lived up in the high high north you can absolutely correlate it and and to be honest
00:54:01.960if you lived in the far far south in new zealand or in um you know south africa or perhaps the
00:54:08.040outer tips of um you know south america the again the the movement is still the same but from the
00:54:15.080correlation at the time they were talking about the idea that the the sun's rimming edge especially
00:54:22.600during midsummer when the sun never sets just rotates around i think that's a really hard
00:54:30.680concept for people who've never been up there to get that there's a time in the year in which the
00:54:37.000sun never sets and and we are always kind of in a ring of that light going around uh as we you know
00:54:47.720as the earth rotates and so for our ancestors the seeing of the sun is as being allocated to
00:54:55.400to holding the edge or the rim of heaven is about that transference around the horizon
00:55:02.040and what this stanza really is talking about is that again kind of glancing over some of the
00:55:10.060details but the idea that the gods set into motion all of the the things which translates really to
00:55:20.360correlating emir correlating the the the body the um the middle guard is being correlated to
00:55:30.140all other things uh but again they saw saw it as the things were being correlated um perhaps even
00:55:38.060separately the stars did not know and then they were to know their their stead the moon did not
00:55:44.540know uh his stead and so then he was given that knowledge um it glances over some things the
00:55:52.300origins of of suna and mauni as in relation to meta narrative um you know there's two kind of
00:56:01.020placements one is that um they are godly and uh that i think is um the way in which we um
00:56:10.780take them but there are references to them being mortal or at least understanding that
00:56:16.140The sun and the moon are much like the earth, a thing that is inhabited by dominion or power. So Sunnah is not the sun. The sun is often referred to as a spark of Muspelheim, but that she is given dominion of its station or its movements or its functions.
00:56:40.640And that gets really interesting. And this is kind of what I was going to hit on earlier, is that the stories, the truths of the stories are truly beautiful when you look at certain things that perhaps even our ancestors didn't know, but we know now.
00:56:54.240And that's what makes me believe that the gods had a intent with the keeping of these stories and the knowledge, knowing that they were going to be kept in the state that they've been preserved.
00:57:10.360and uh that kind of correlating with the knowledge that we gain from other sources um you know it's
00:57:18.040when we look at the the mentioning of suna as having two horses and mani only having one and
00:57:25.000the reference not only just to traversing across the sky but when you realize that midgard has two
00:57:32.180horses as well day and night who are not mentioned in the poem uh we have this sense of rotation
00:57:38.600There are two on the earth, there are two on the sun, but one on the moon. And out of those three things, only one of them doesn't rotate on its own axis. I thought that was, you know, just truly interesting in the idea that what if a lot of these truths are woven in with our understanding coming to them, even in different ways.
00:58:04.840And I think that makes me wonder, even in the far, far off future, like you had said, when we're telepathically or across space and time, what truths or understandings can apply then as well?
00:58:19.380And that's what metanarratives, myths, their truths are perennial and they are framed in usage of elder times, but also of today in a lot of ways.
00:58:36.520As long as we just kind of understand our framework and understand a little bit about why they might be saying things a certain way.
00:58:45.060uh of course you know suna is referred to in the old norse as sol um sol is um the
00:58:55.780just simply mentioned here is the sister of mauni uh or mauna um which again i is grammatical but
00:59:06.180some people have thrown that into when we talk about gendering the heavenly bodies um that's
00:59:13.880an interesting subject, but I think more along the lines, what's more interesting about this stanza
00:59:18.880is that the sun, the moon, and the stars find their station, find their might or their place
00:59:30.520within all things. And it's not stated outright, but it's, again, the machinations of the gods
00:59:37.220creating all things in their cyclical form. And that's always kind of correlated as a round
00:59:44.260arcing movement. Uh, the, the Raido, if you will, the, uh, the movement of everything kind
00:59:51.460of correlating correctly and in its proper positions.
01:00:07.220i don't know if you have any uh no i'm just looking at it now we're in we are
01:00:15.580five stanzas in that's okay these are this is really important and i'm glad we're doing that
01:00:22.140and well you know we came up with three parts today we can call it and do it in as many parts
01:00:27.800as we need to it's not a we're not bound by time on it i'd rather do it right than do it quickly
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01:00:53.180really generous tonight we appreciate it um i was just checking to see if we have any um
01:00:58.220Any questions so far about the text? We do have good questions that we are going to get to after we're done with the text, though, so please stay tuned, or if you are going to check back in, if you can't make the entire broadcast.
01:01:14.440But no, I'm okay. Yeah, I'm okay with continuing on to stanza six.
01:01:18.940okay so well and it's also worth noting that there is a part up here which i kind of
01:01:25.820banked on or not necessarily banked on but understood that there's a huge section of this
01:01:31.280first half of the first 25 of the dvergar or the the svartalfar and their their names so it's
01:01:40.060that's gonna be one of those kind of leaps um no we're gonna listen to you
01:21:08.220very close to that arc, also true period,
01:21:12.300No, the gods built stuff. They made buildings. They made structures. They took ore, and from it, they fashioned tools. They fashioned gold and ornamentation. They made high-timbered temples and shrines.
01:21:29.140We look back in history and a lot of people will take a reflection of the very end of the Alistair era of the Germanic tribes in a very primitive state and comment as if our ancestors didn't build holy buildings.
01:21:52.120because what the Germanic tribesmen had in comparison with, you know, the Via Sacra in Rome
01:22:02.780was obviously of a very different magnitude and a very different quality of architecture.
01:22:09.820But here you see that it was always the understanding of our ancestors.
01:22:13.900No, our gods, you know, temples and shrines were stuff that you built.
01:22:18.380didn't say they frolicked in the woods or they gathered around a pretty rock said no they made
01:22:25.920timbered temples that's a really special thing and i think it's meaningful and it doesn't mean
01:22:31.740nature is beautiful we all get that being out in the woods and finding something that's really
01:22:36.960special or a special part in nature that's great and there's nothing wrong with that
01:22:43.640but in Ausatru we absolutely had temples and we have temples again
01:22:50.640it's um something that uh is going over here in the chat with uh Vril Mage who did the gods
01:23:04.960worship in their house or is it talking about our earliest ancestors well I think that one of the
01:23:11.760things worth noting is, and I've said this often, is that what happens in the halls of the gods
01:23:16.400happens to in the hearts of men. And this applies to a lot of things, including the binding of
01:23:22.740Fenris and so on and so forth. I think that it's worth noting that it's a correlation by the poets
01:23:31.180to correlate the gods towards achievements in mankind show their advancement, especially
01:23:38.480when these things were not easily attainable so the idea of the gods building shrines and temples
01:23:45.320building tools and making ore are specific towards the idea that they're they're correlating the gods
01:23:54.180to those who are listening to the poem and knowing or is hard to get uh there's these are advancements
01:24:01.900these are things going on the gods are advanced the gods are doing things and they're doing things
01:24:07.380before everyone else. So I think that the point of it is correlation, not necessarily to say,
01:24:13.420oh, the gods are worshiping something in the shrines. The gods are worshiping something in
01:24:18.260the temples. No, in essence, the gods are acting like advanced humans or that the audience is
01:24:24.900picking up that the gods are advanced, like they see advancement on a scale. And that scale is,
01:24:33.760Again, if you have temples, if you have shrines, if you have the ability to make tongs from
01:24:41.380oared iron and things of that nature are continuously emphasized in order to kind of lay out to
01:24:49.860the audience that the gods are hyper, you know, up to date or even, you know, they're
01:30:38.380Well, yeah, he's talking about in reference
01:30:40.840to tacitus or tacitus um you know and yeah i think it's worth noting that the migrational period
01:30:49.320causes adaptation and i mean we we kind of see two ends of it when we talk about tacitus's um
01:30:57.560observations of the germanic people uh you know and he talks about how they don't um put their
01:31:03.800gods into human form, um, versus Snorty and his euhemorizing of the gods as kings of Norway or
01:31:12.600kings of Sweden, we see this kind of, uh, two sides of the table. Um, I think it is also worth
01:31:19.860noting too that Tacitus was probably taking a jab at, um, the Romans themselves, uh, because
01:31:28.400Because the faith of Rome and of Greece and just of the Hellenics was changing in and of itself. There was a lot more of an artistic representation of the gods. And not everyone was keen on that. And ultimately what it led to was the gods by the philosophes kind of turning into soap operas and dramas and plays and things.
01:31:52.440And so he's kind of at the front end of the slippery slope argument.
01:31:56.920And that's an interesting thing, too, just in Germanic studies in general.
01:32:01.220That's the purpose of a lot of Tacitus' writing.
01:32:06.660And admittedly so, and well known at the time and since, what he did, not that it was dishonest, but he wanted to point out, I guess, what would become the ideal of the noble savage.
01:32:22.440He wanted to point out the decadence and decay that Rome had become by his time with an earlier stage of our folk where, you know, they were more in touch with, you know, the more primal element of our faith.
01:32:42.580And he was pointing out primal virtues of a more virtuous stage in the development,
01:32:50.700hearkening back to Rome's own earlier period when those virtues were more valuable.
01:32:57.120And as they got more rooted, more civilized, and more decadent, those who disappeared even makes those comments in annals quite often
01:33:06.200about how far Rome had come from its glory days
01:33:10.520of when, you know, the virtues were celebrated
01:33:16.580higher than they were certainly, you know,
01:42:25.300There are malevolent trolls and things that are malicious against order,
01:42:34.820against mankind against the gods that are yotnar there are amazing and wise like wizard giants
01:42:45.300that are yotnar and then there are also progenitors of the gods um sometimes spouses
01:42:56.020of the gods forces from an ancient and a primal time that have an ancient an ancient wisdom or
01:43:03.300a you know a primal from the roots of creation wisdom to impart at later stages and so i think
01:43:10.660that that becomes confusing because some are very hostile and malevolent others are
01:43:18.260existing on their own without particular allegiance and others you know are helpful
01:43:24.020at times so i think it it all depends on context it's not one size fits all when we talk about
01:43:30.660giants well in this event creates a uh situation in which the gods have to gather and uh it says
01:43:46.020that then sought the gods their assembly seats the holy ones and council held
01:43:52.180so um this is i think there's in reference to the nornir coming from the east but also
01:44:04.540i think this might lend itself towards some stories that we don't have that that might not
01:44:11.140have survived but translation wise that it gets confusing and it doesn't get any easier um but
01:44:18.180it's just I think the first two lines of stanza nine are in direct reference to the fact that
01:44:23.580the Nornir have arrived and they have to um you know correlate with their arrival and this
01:44:35.200brings on the next step which I think is the reason why the stories might not exist is I
01:44:42.720i think this is referencing to the story of how the gods and the the dverga or dvergar or uh and
01:44:52.160it's said if you're reading this in old norse um the the dvergar are the dwarves or the the smart
01:45:00.240alvar or like the again the spirits of material um they they seek to gather and do they seek to
01:45:08.960gather in order to find specific dwarves it's never quite mentioned but we do know that the
01:45:15.520four hearts that are in heaven described in um uh the skull the skulls uh reference or in the
01:45:24.160gilfagining um they have dwarven names but alas there's a huge gap there um but it says you know
01:45:33.600then sought the gods their assembly seats the place in which they they their dominion the reagan
01:45:40.160over and um they you know they're they're the great holy ones the the gin hilo gold they're
01:45:49.920the great holy ones gather and and counsel to find who should raise the race of dwarves
01:45:58.240out of Bremer's blood and the legs of, well, it says in English Blaine, but it's interesting.0.74
01:46:06.720So like if we go over to the Nordic side, it's worth noting there's a dash above the A,
01:46:12.320which means that the name is Blauen, not Blaine. It's pronounced Blauen. And Blauen means blue,
01:46:20.020the blue one or the one of blue in it. Every reference that we can think of in relation to
01:46:25.900blueness is about death or at least being of the under so that's an interesting thing a lot of
01:46:32.400people take this as out of brimmer's blood which i think is correct is that this is a another word
01:46:38.480or another title for emir and there are multiple titles used owl yelmer is often used um and this
01:46:45.280one brimmer is kind of seen as um the brining rhyme ice but in reference to here it may be
01:46:53.440again, blood. Brimmer's blood is this kind of like froth and gore of Ymir's movings. And then
01:47:03.660the legs of Blauen. To my knowledge, there's no reference of Ymir ever being referred to as Blauen.
01:47:11.420And we do know that both of these names are used for Dvergar's names. And so I'm wondering if
01:47:16.820there is perhaps a progenitor of the Dvergar. But most people take this as that from the blood
01:47:26.420and from his legs of Imir is generally how it's translated. But again, that's not 100% agreed
01:47:34.040upon. Brimir makes more sense, but Blauen doesn't because out of the blood and the legs,
01:47:42.900That and is kind of, I don't know if it's connective or if there's a story that we're missing.
01:47:51.140But from this, some people have surmised, and I think it has merit, is that after the flood, after the flood of Ymir, it's said that the Yotnar are reduced to only two.
01:48:08.280and again this is about you know uh generationally like osk and emla are not physically a one and one
01:48:16.400but the proto generation of things so the proto generation of the gods is in bur yelmer and his
01:48:23.920unnamed wife and they flow to the east where would become jotenheim um but it's out of brimmer's blood
01:48:34.460and the legs of blaine some people talk about the the lower half of emir being mentioned as the legs
01:48:41.740and i think that that has merit in relation to where the dvergar live the dvergar live in neither
01:48:49.180which is the valley that's beneath or the dark valley the place um in the shadow it's not
01:48:58.140Nivilheim or Nivilhel, it's Nidavellur is like the the land underneath the land and it's there
01:49:07.340I think that the reference to legs means again the underneath the lower half and there is where
01:49:14.380the spirits of the land the spirits of the material come and formulate and um you know
01:49:23.100You know, now we're about to move into the litany of the dwarves.
01:49:25.720So keep in mind with that, and Svan's reference to the legs, the lower, and the underneath,0.96
01:49:35.980when we talk about, as we talked earlier, about the gods being in heaven,
01:49:40.980about the idea of upward ascension being a progression towards the ideal.
01:49:49.680um and it's fine name us name us some dwarves well okay so first um if you if you're looking
01:50:01.840at the the nordic to um english translations some of you might have them side by side i'm not
01:50:08.720100 sure where everyone's at but um in the english version it says there was moat saugnir
01:50:16.720and that doesn't fit because the it should actually be a th but the uh the nordic is
01:50:27.960mode mode soul near the soul the g is kind of rounded and what mode means if anybody's
01:50:37.700obviously with like, uh, with, uh, Magni and Mothi or with, um, Mothguth, uh, as she resides on the
01:50:47.900bridge between the living and the dead. Moth means might. Moth means strength. And Sognir is,
01:50:54.220is referencing to drinking or, uh, the drink, like might drinker, but it might have an interesting
01:51:04.580context in the idea of like gravity and the correlation of the mass of earth and the idea
01:51:13.140that the drinking or drawing in of might um i'm not saying that that's what this is alluding to
01:51:19.940but it makes for an interesting point when you think of of might drinker and the idea of the
01:51:26.820pulling in power um and that i think is you know really interesting the but it says there was mozi
01:51:35.700uh the mightiest maid of all the dwarves and durin next many a likeness of men they made
01:51:46.820the dwarves in the earth as durin said um that again i think is the reason why it makes him
01:51:56.820uh a reference to perhaps another story that's why i specifically as durin said um
01:52:07.300is sounding of the idea that it's linking to another poem that might have been lost
01:52:12.420but the litany of the dwarves comes in there and i think that it's you know it's worth noting that
01:52:18.580the the dvergar are deeply connected to the material both in energy and in physicality
01:52:25.940the idea of the earth um the pulling of the earth the the the interplay of elements and chemicals
01:52:35.700i think is really denoted towards the dvergar and i think that that's worth noting because it always
01:52:43.380mentions it with like in relation to fashioning weapons and things of that is that this is the
01:52:49.380the highest quality or the highest power of all things that can be kind of interplayed through
01:52:56.420fire and um rock creating this ore and all of the knowledge that they have given to a smith
01:53:05.140means that this is going to be you know an exceptionally strong um metal or or object um
01:56:55.360And so when you're looking things up, it might be worth looking at the idea that there is like, even though there's near, near may be by itself.
01:57:05.960But the next one, near rather, might emphasize N-Y, rather.
01:57:13.280And so you might want to section things apart to look them up sometimes.
01:57:17.940I'm actually kind of interested on that one because of the stasis of it.
01:57:22.360And you see this like in the rivers in heaven, outside of Edival, over the mountains of heaven, there are two rivers, corped and orped.
01:57:32.420And their names are the are the cooling one and the twisting one, even though they sound only one difference based off of a letter.
01:57:42.060The idea is that there is one that twists like a serpent and the other one is cool.
01:57:46.540And a lot of this usage of words that are so close together are, again, a way for the poet to kind of differentiate and create a tempo.
01:58:02.220So there's kind of like this tempo that's really established at this point in the poem.
01:58:27.480Speaking of tempo, now would be a good time for Reamer.
01:58:32.220Well, I can't sing, but that was about as close as I could get.
02:05:23.280I'm trying to think of, there is an interesting note here about Dvalin being the kind of originator of the dwarves
02:05:32.280the dwarves, and that somehow he is the link between how the Dvergar attain runes,
02:05:39.440and they're not necessarily mentioned as perhaps different runes, but are the runes that Odin
02:05:46.780attains, and that somehow he attains them, which is another reason why
02:05:52.320I wonder if there are stories, again, that are lost, especially in referencing
02:05:59.960to the Dvergar, because if you were to give whole stanzas, I think that their empowerment
02:06:06.520in stories has been lost just because of the evidence. It seems so,
02:06:14.560you know, indicative of a lot of the poetics. And of course, we don't really see any of that
02:06:22.540until um you know tolkien and his usage of the dwarves names um and that most likely i think
02:06:30.300just really comes from his love of etymology and the idea uh that you know of bomber being the
02:06:37.180kind of the the boisterous one and i know some people kind of turn their nose towards um
02:06:42.620uh peter jackson's versions but i will note like bomber had a drum and i thought that was
02:06:49.820really cool like they did a little bit of a nod towards the etymology of the name being like a
02:06:55.020resounding sound so um i think that was really cool because i don't remember there him having
02:07:02.220a drum in the uh in the books so but uh so we're so after the litany of the dvergar we we move
02:07:14.620ourselves into the next stage of the the ordering and the actions of what is being committed are
02:07:25.500starting to formulate things the slaying of emir and the the coming of the dwarves the coming of
02:07:31.900the nornir and the coming of the dwarves but now there's also another thing that comes into being
02:07:36.780is the West now starts to bring itself into the realm of, of, um, understanding. And it correlates
02:07:45.640again, I've mentioned a thousand times natural law and the, and, and the, the cycle of life and
02:07:52.140death and all things is now coming into the dominion under cosmic order, but it will not
02:07:59.000come peacefully there has to be a kind of uh again a great battle and a a sense to overcome
02:08:08.760so i i you know we're we're correct on stanza 21 right we
02:08:15.800oh we're still doing we're we're still on the the throng of the dwarfs but um if we move to after
02:08:24.280is it 17 let me see here just making sure we're all on the same page
02:08:36.000oh yes sorry i skipped ahead um so after the litany of the of the dwarves and the list
02:08:50.840uh you know the list of all the forbearers of lovar then it switches then from the throng
02:09:00.280did three come forth from the home of the gods the mighty and gracious
02:09:08.440two without fate on land they found ask an embla empty of might so they're speaking about
02:09:18.280the tripartite of lord odin and at this point it's worth noting then from the throng then from
02:09:26.360the great group of the gods three of them came so in the stories i kind of talk about the gods as
02:09:33.800being young at this moment because i'm making reference to the time but that i also you know
02:09:40.840know conceptualizing lord ovin in different times um but it's worth noting it out of the group of
02:09:48.080them come three from the home of the gods from heaven the mighty and gracious they find on the
02:09:57.860land two that are unfaded there's no might with no destiny ask and embla empty of orlog
02:10:08.960that's an interesting point that in in the translation is empty of might but ask or
02:10:16.520emble or log lausa without lost of orlog they don't have it they're not fated some other
02:10:25.380translations say you know unfated yet and i think that's truly an interesting point is that
02:10:31.240The idea of Orlog being passed down to us from birth, in an essence, it kind of starts with the formulation of the proto-folk, the Asken Umbla.
02:10:49.780And so that breath and all of that starts the Orlog cycle.
02:10:58.400taking and this is is fundamental and we see it in our our naming right that we do to children
02:11:08.960um but you can do this with an item i did this with relentless the afa sword at uh sigur bloat
02:11:17.600affixing a name to something imbues it with a with an orlog with a hymenia with luck with a
02:11:29.440sense of it being a separate being it not being a a thing but a
02:11:36.440a named quantity and instead of a thing a someone and when you deal with objects obviously they're
02:11:47.980not people nobody thinks that it's exactly the same it's not but the idea of affixing a name
02:11:54.340to it makes it a separated thing from the world it's not
02:12:00.740a sword it's not this sword it's not that sword this is relentless like these are not
02:12:08.240just logs that came up on the seashore they're this they're that the other okay from this point
02:12:15.100on this is ask this is embla and these are the gifts that we've given them at the time of their
02:12:22.320naming and they bestowed gifts upon them at the point of their name and that's something that we
02:12:28.780try to do in a way as well in our in our baby naming ritual
02:12:40.220and i think it's um just noting on pronunciation anytime you see the o with two dots that's
02:12:47.420starting to get replaced by an o with a small tail in a lot of the um translations but the
02:12:55.820best way to think of it is when you see that o it's kind of an it's like sought it's an a u or
02:13:02.940an o u sound so or and then when we talk about log we say like or log but or law because the g
02:13:13.980is probably very very soft and throated so it again kind of correlates to er primordial law
02:13:24.540but you know our law lawsa um again they may have throated the g a little bit more
02:13:35.260old norse than they do in modern icelandic but it means primordial law or fate as that's often
02:13:44.220translated. And from 17 to 18, there's again a great amount in talking about what makes Asken
02:13:56.860Ambla and the proto-folk different is that they're given gifts that inexorably connect them to the
02:14:04.620gods. And in a way, this is the dynamicism of Lord Odin. The tripartite unto himself,
02:14:17.800the dynamic creator comes down, able to move between heaven and earth in, you know, and
02:14:24.760manifest that kind of uh threshold and in doing so then taking um uh shape of and giving fate to
02:14:36.880that which is unshaped and unfaded um and i i also joke not joke per se but in my stories i talk
02:14:45.700about how the vana gods here in the middle realize that someone of great power has been
02:14:52.920in the middle when they see this change, because it's often referred to that the Vanir are the
02:15:00.100older gods or old gods. And then in essence, denoting that the folk, when they are created by
02:15:08.740the Aesir, given that fate, they leave, they go back to the gods. And so they're left in the0.97
02:15:16.560middle to achieve, to, you know, make greatness. And perhaps the first mighty powers that they
02:15:24.280interact with is the Vanir. And it is then later that the Aesir become known and prevalent,0.81
02:15:33.340the idea, the expanding, that which is above. So the first thing we learn is the powers of
02:15:39.000natural law, the things that are inescapable, life, love, procreation, death, and legacy
02:15:47.940of the cycles of life, hunting, eating, so on and so forth. It is then when the
02:15:55.400Esir come in after that alignment that we begin to see greater understandings of things,0.98
02:16:01.120civilization law um you know things that we we attempt to create out of or possibly that are
02:16:10.400intangible but yet you know we desire to make eternal so um they had not a soul they had not
02:16:22.960um since they had not and again soul is interesting in there in the in the usage
02:16:30.000because it's it's not it's breath the divine breath or the inspiration of breath uh obviously
02:16:36.080if they direct translation they would have used the word sour but here they say owned
02:16:42.000they did not have or uh bearing um they didn't have our heat nor motion nor goodly hue
02:16:54.000so they're again lao lao ne leti ne leto goda so that they they are given
02:17:07.440the the kind of correlation between will and physical movement are are seen in this is that
02:17:15.040they have the ability to um move in accordance to their will and i think that's one key part
02:17:22.400that i've always focused on is one of the things that truly makes us part of the gods is our
02:17:27.920ability to transcribe describe or just even see ourselves in a place or future outside of our
02:17:38.560fate that we can conceptualize because for most of the part we our understanding of animals is that
02:17:45.600they in essence are built off of the reactions of other things they learn from their past and that
02:17:53.560they don't conceptualize themselves obviously communication is a factor there um but the idea
02:17:59.260is that most animals uh in studying learn from mistakes and that's an evolutionary thing in
02:18:07.740which it's like oh i went down here and i got attacked i made it so now every time i go down
02:18:12.380here, I'm going to be very, very cautious. Whereas for us, we can actually conceptualize
02:18:18.560ourselves with thought. And so that's why in the Germanic language, you have the past, ran,
02:18:25.920you have the present, run, and then you have the future, will, run. And it's such a uniquely
02:18:32.720Germanic concept. The idea is that I will, I'm conceptualizing my will into an unknown fate.
02:18:42.380And I think that's where things get really spicy and it's on purpose that the gods are talking about fate, but that humans are unique in their ability to kind of become nexuses of fate turning or perhaps vessels of dominion of the gods and that the gods can enact certain things through our being.
02:19:10.240And so I think that plays out with asking the gods to witness us, to guide us, to give us wisdom and all of these things, as opposed to animals, which kind of, again, learn from the past and go forth in the present moment.
02:19:24.240And that's a very kind of interesting part of that stanza 18.
02:28:43.280Immediately the ash, the utilization of the ash.
02:28:47.360Many of us could pick apart when we talk about the concepts of the axis mundi,
02:28:53.600whether the axis mundi is like visualized in the center visualized in the upper and again never
02:28:59.900really visualized in the lower at all because again the farther and lower things go
02:29:06.100the dominion of cosmic order starts to dissipate and so what we find is the ash tree i think is
02:29:16.120very significant to the norse the idea that the possible we talked about this with um with iwaz
02:29:23.480the rune of the yew tree and the idea that the yew tree had great significance but i think that
02:29:29.800the ash is specifically chosen because of the root system and the idea of how far spreading the root
02:29:36.740system is um because that comes into such a great importance as we go but uh an ash i know
02:29:45.540igdrasil it's name with water white um this is the the sprinkling of the water in relation to
02:29:54.740when the norns are spoken of speak of of wetting the roots of the tree while in heaven they keep it
02:30:02.660afresh and anew, and dew springs from its leaves. And we talk about this, and I kind of correlate
02:30:10.920that when we talk about ascension and the soul returning, that root in the lower world,
02:30:19.300in Verjelmer, that drawing up from the realm of where the folk soul is, is that the Yggdrasil is
02:30:27.980kind of like an ordering system a way of um stratifying life and dominion in the realm of
02:30:36.400the gods and they too can control that happening the nornir control it the gods control it
02:30:42.980they oftentimes employ the that moment of when the when the dew falls from the tree as i
02:30:49.680um talk of in relation to the idea of the returning of that soul might during from ascension
02:30:59.700and so you know when then comes the dews that fall in the dales and then uh this is also
02:31:07.560referring to just the the moisture of actual dew and it it's mentioned that it's the the spittle of
02:31:16.640um nani's um horse who is unnamed um a lot of people get it confused with rimfaxi which is
02:31:26.720poetically connected to uh not the uh um heavenly warden of night um but she uh so in this part you
02:31:39.440know they're kind of again making reference to the the moisture and the life and the the things that
02:31:45.120grow and the things that manifest without being seen it's it's very kind of akin to
02:31:51.840the power of things being unseen and then becoming tangible and there it is kept evergreen
02:32:02.000at others brunni erds well and it's mentioned again in the in the guild forgetting is
02:32:09.040where that is is in heaven so thus the base of the tree in the center is it's the center of the
02:32:18.760center it's the middle of heaven and that is entirely connected to everything that goes around
02:32:27.640it including the middle and the lower and this is where we get into having to extend things too far
02:32:32.680at some point it because it is not a literal tree at some point you can
02:32:44.520freak out about literalities of things because it does serve as a connection between all the
02:32:51.720different worlds but the idea that it's tended it's watered and it's rooted in the divine
02:32:58.360is very important and that it's rooted in the upper and that that goes to these other worlds
02:33:05.400is is meaningful in and of itself but the more you try to force it into being a literal tree
02:33:12.840and you start wondering why some pieces are in different places i think you end up doing a
02:33:20.280disservice if you're not the things that they specifically mention their locations
02:33:28.360They're specifically making that point for a reason, and that's the things to focus on, I believe.
02:33:37.300And yeah, that divineness of being the upper and the things that disseminate to the middle and to the lower for reasons and the movements.
02:33:45.940And we see that a lot in other Aryan stories and mythoses. Again, the striker in manifestation never steps into the underworld unless it's bad or the end of things, but is fighting things coming out of the earth, the chthonic serpent, if you will.
02:34:07.040So I think a lot of the desperation towards, you know, making the roots in the lower, all of the roots in the lower loses the entire point of understanding that Yggdrasil is in the upper and manifests much of its power in the whole dynamic of the Nornir and the gods and the counseling seats and the, you know, the watering of the roots is that all of that descends down from the upper world.0.54
02:34:33.800And I think that that is, you know, very Aryan if we're talking about the gods of Olympus or, you know, high upon the crags and their fate is kind of, you know, disseminated out or that they gather to witness these things.0.57
02:34:51.020And I think you could make an argument that perhaps Snorri is pulling from Hellenistic ideas.
02:34:56.900I mean, he clearly does numerous times throughout most of the poems, but it's not super clear.
02:35:04.380And yet, at the same time, because they are branched families of the Europeans, you know, there's clear parallelisms that are throughout because of the way things are structured.
02:35:19.440So you can't really, you know, I think split hairs, but I think it's, again, more important to understand where things are and why things are there, as opposed to trying to conceptualize that it's standing on four pillars or there's a table or.
02:35:35.460Well, something else that I think is important and meaningful is you can't – a lot of people will approach our lore and Ausitru generally as some kind of a literary extrapolation.
02:36:02.760And so they're treating these things as elements in a story as opposed to an expression of divine truth.
02:36:20.620And the difference may not seem as obvious, but going from the mundane and the debased and trying to
02:36:50.620build our gods from it is very different and leads to very different conclusions
02:36:59.900than taking actual gods that exist in the higher in the the astral and trying to understand them
02:37:13.460So trying to project our stuff onto the gods may in a lot of ways look similar, but the details are really different.
02:37:28.600When we're trying to go from human baseness and project the gods out from that, it's very different than taking the gods for who the gods are and trying to understand them as best we can.
02:37:43.020trying to reach up towards them as opposed to trying to bring them down to our level
02:37:48.060and that's a really fundamental difference if you approach our lore as if it's you know
02:37:56.300comic book characters written by you know ancient proto stan lee it's a very different thing than
02:38:05.100trying to realize that our ancestors were trying to express higher truths of the gods
02:38:16.860in a way that would make sense to folk and with imagery that people would understand
02:38:22.940and just thinking about that as a touchstone every time something doesn't make sense or every time
02:38:30.060you want to make a leap err on the side of trying to understand the gods as opposed to
02:38:35.740trying to project a story and i think it would it would help a lot
02:38:49.420well and uh to go into the etymology a little bit i saw on the on the side here
02:38:53.580here. Yggdrasil, the horse of Odin. Again, the Yggr is why GGR is one of the Haiti of Lord Odin,
02:39:08.160and it means the terrible or the awesome, the kind of fear or emotional responding sense of like
02:39:18.940that you're dealing with something of great power.
02:39:23.260And Dressil is kind of a combination of thrumming or repetition
02:39:34.700and the idea that Yggdrasil is being referred to as Odin's horse.
02:39:40.980And that is clearly in correlation to Odin upon Yggdrasil in heaven attaining the runes and traveling beyond the reaches of even the gods and finding out things of great importance beyond even some of their capabilities.
02:40:03.220And so it's like his riding of the horse. I think that's really important as to another reason why Yggdrasil is this place, this center point of heaven becomes a focal point for the gods to commit their acts of regency over things in the middle, but also what they're doing in the upper.
02:40:27.760Some of the stuff that they're doing there
03:06:57.080this is something we are. So now we're at, we're on verse 20. We got the last
03:07:03.900five as we're going to 25. So really starting to dial in. This is again,
03:07:10.620the alignment between cosmic order and natural law and the great
03:07:20.440interplay between, I think, chthonic forces of natural instinct versus loftier, more pronounced
03:07:34.620ideas above, you know, the needs and desires of just the individual or the heart or the emotional
03:07:45.480self um in stanza 21 uh the the war i remember the first in the world when the gods with spears0.97
03:08:01.520had smitten gold they gold lust or gold thirster and in the hall of whore had burned her whore0.77
03:08:12.700of course, being a, or Haur, is how it's, it says H-O-R, but it's not. It's Haur in the Old Norse,0.98
03:08:21.100H-A with a dash over it, R-S, Haur, the high one, Odin's Hall. Three times burned, three times
03:08:31.600born, often again, yet ever she lives. So this is where we start to, again, in the Guilfaginning,
03:08:41.500There's more of elaboration on this, but this is the point in which Golvay comes from the middle world up into the heavens.
03:08:55.020and here she brings with her i i think the intent is absolutely to see if how the might of the gods
03:09:04.480is and to not face the might of the gods in in uh war or in um testament of strength she's bringing
03:09:14.740something else there's a cunning sense and again i think that interplays with an idea of chthonic
03:09:20.380powers is that they have a tendency to work subtly and they don't work with will and they
03:09:26.040don't work with might and they don't work. They work more through, again, a passiveness. And this
03:09:33.400can apply in a lot of things. This could be the interplay between masculine manifestation and
03:09:38.960feminine, I guess, manifestation, but through perhaps passive means. But there's also an
03:09:47.960interplay between natural law and cosmic order. Natural law is cyclical. It's a wave. It's an up
03:09:54.360and a down. There's cycles and circles. Cosmic order, I always kind of associated with either
03:10:00.180being more like a pillar or like an arch. And the idea of the eternal either holding its position
03:10:06.600or arcing over the waves of time. And so that's really what is kind of coming into the interplay
03:10:14.960here. And of course, they're making clear, you know, points of interest, especially with the
03:10:22.320being thrice born of the fire, burned, pierced by the spears, because if anyone's familiar with
03:10:29.340the story, and that's another thing worth noting, is the Volospow is referencing other poems
03:10:36.320constantly. I don't know. I mean, obviously, we've said this a couple times, but I guess it's
03:10:41.100make it clear and so it is a condensed version with leanings towards and was referred to often
03:10:49.260in like the guild beginning where they would say a stanza from the from another poem um and this
03:10:56.620really did create an interplay or a network of poetry um that allowed poets to kind of
03:11:04.060of pull from other things, or in essence, kind of force them to learn more than just the one,
03:11:10.740one thing, because they were all kind of intertwined and, and didn't really stand on
03:11:16.000their own. But here we have, as she, you know, she comes into the halls of the gods, she comes
03:11:26.900into the hall of, of, uh, Haur, the high one. Um, you know, she's branded on spears. She's,
03:11:36.380she's, uh, thrown into the fire and she's born a new, she becomes, she goes through this process
03:11:44.520and then she is known by her, her heighty then is, is, uh, he, the shining one. Um,
03:11:52.260And here is it. It's truly interesting. I love this. This verse is heath. They named her who sought their home, the wide seeing which in magic wise minds she bewitched that were moved by her magic to evil women, a joy she was.
03:12:15.700so one of the things that's really interesting is they call her heave and um again the process
03:12:25.320of the of the burning but it's worth knowing too that like um the uh the volu or the she's a volva
03:12:35.700is well, she is well-versed and wide-seeing of many things. She's wise, or vithihon ganda,
03:12:46.860ganda is magic. It's like, it's, it's, yeah, that understanding. She is
03:12:54.800a friend of those who are of the mind of like ill or towards what I think is really being
03:13:06.840portrayed here is the difference between creating willful manifestation and deed to people who seek
03:13:13.560to kind of hedge things in their favor. And that is, again, I think very, very allegoric to
03:13:21.660Golvey and process of greed, the idea of the, the bending and shaping towards your fortune or
03:13:29.160your favor in your way. And I think again, to, to contextualize, um, uh, like her two evil women,
03:13:45.560Um, it's mentioned in the, in the old Norse, uh, translation is1.00
03:13:51.700and so it's, again, that's not the, uh, cause horn is, is, is women, but, uh, like she0.96
03:14:06.340bewitches or turns people's minds towards things they they seek to gain and again through perhaps0.99
03:14:16.700deception or turning fate to hedge fortune towards you without manifesting i think is um
03:14:24.240what is ultimately being said but it's going through the mode of witchcraft and and women
03:14:31.500doing things in this kind of more mystical or what we often joke around and say is like the
03:14:36.940the uh you know the the hoodoo or the women the women's spooky girl magic spooky girl magic that's
03:14:45.260it spooky girl magic um is i think the direct reference that they're pulled towards but i i
03:14:53.100really find a lot of connection between gold vey in the the lusting for gold or the thirsting for
03:15:00.460gold. And that this is kind of referencing towards the usage of spinning fate to turn
03:15:09.280towards benefit without manifesting by will. And that's what seems to be kind of laid out
03:15:15.800in these stanzas as they juxtapose each other. There are people that mark the fates. The fates
03:15:23.080of man are marked by their deeds. But Golvey is often sought for those who do not wish to
03:15:28.940manifest their deeds. They, they attempt to twist things in their favor. Um,0.93
03:15:36.540um, yeah. And then, so this next part is, is interesting because we speak of in verse 23,
03:15:47.260on the host, his spear did Othyn hurl. So I, I, um, I think this, this one is really interesting
03:16:00.120in that he, as the Lord Othyn throwing his spear over the army, they're referencing now the battle
03:16:11.380that becomes of this in other, in the other, um, stories and in the guild forgetting, we understand
03:16:16.900that with Golvey being slain three times and then she flees the hall, it's then that the gods of
03:16:29.200above realize that this act is not going to be met kindly by the Vanir. And this, I think,0.93
03:16:38.320really does start to show some of the kind of political machinations that our ancestors at
03:16:45.260the time would really understand is you know this this um person comes in they cause a lot of trouble
03:16:50.800and you deal with that person and then you have to deal with the repercussions again because they
03:16:57.660don't know uh the reasons why you did it or perhaps they they do know you you at this point
03:17:05.700it's like well we've committed to this now is the time for war and i think this is ultimately um
03:17:11.840that alignment of cosmic uh order and and natural law is inevitable actions that bear forth
03:17:21.080what is to come um so you know over over the uh the host odin throws his spear and i think this
03:17:31.180is again to a reference to um the idea of throwing a spear at your enemies and saying that you know
03:17:37.360the victory, the gods of victory, the God of victory, uh, and your souls are, you know,
03:17:43.160they're owned, um, by him. And I think that was a practice that was probably known well,
03:17:51.680but especially by the upper crust of society who fought the wars, the, uh, the nobility were
03:17:57.660expected to, you know, show up on the battlefields. And I think that in a lot of ways, these poems
03:18:02.620are directed greatly towards them and this was clearly a sign that a war was about to begin
03:18:09.420and um uh so odin hurls his his spear over the the vanir as they come and uh the wall that is
03:18:21.840you know girdles the the god's home is broken so you know then in the world did the first war come
03:18:28.260the wall that girdled the gods was broken, and the field by the warlike wanes was trodden.
03:18:35.020Now, it's worth noting to the vanir, the wanes, they use the word wane, which is really, really0.69
03:18:40.300cool. It's an old English word, and it means, again, denoting towards natural law, cycles,
03:18:47.060the rise, and ultimately the fall, this cyclical nature of growing big and receding, or going
03:18:54.040forward and falling back or going up and going down the vanir the name of the vanir is the
03:19:00.520waning ones or the ones that wane they go up they come down they they go out they come in
03:19:06.200everything is cyclical in their relation and so the idea is outside of ausgard in the fields
03:19:14.060in the world outside there is a great war outside of that place again kind of noting to the idea
03:19:22.140that heaven is more than just Ausgar, and that the gods battle with them, and the walls of
03:19:31.640the heavenly abode of the gods is broken. And of course, this, again, leads towards another
03:19:39.940story of the rebuilding of the walls. But it's interesting. So in verse 24,
03:19:50.500then sought the gods, their assembly seats, the holy ones, and counsel held whether the gods
03:19:58.500should tribute give or to all alike should worship belong. That I think is really interesting
03:20:07.000because this again starts the spread of the unification of the Vanir and the Esir
03:20:16.200become known as a singular entity at this point.
03:20:23.980Of course, we know the stories of the tribute
03:22:46.840work of fiction i think cheapens it but they're exploring it as a literary
03:22:52.920pursuit and not a religious pursuit and i think those are two really different ways to try to
03:22:58.440make sense of the story the truth here isn't about you know
03:23:08.920woodsy old wise gods fighting shiny new you know
03:23:14.360aryan horse lords and like how that works out no the truth is about as swan has mentioned many times
03:23:26.440tonight about the reconciling between cosmic order and natural law and how they fit
03:23:35.800and merge with one another to form an ordered existence
03:23:44.360Now, there is something that we see again that happens a lot in the Volespao is that the beginning verses of sections of the poem begin to repeat.
03:24:02.920And again, that was part of the tempo, if you will, the music of the poem.
03:24:12.620And so a lot of times you will see, like, then the gods sought their assembly seats, then sought the gods their assembly seats, or, you know, at Nipah's cave, Garmir sits at Nipah's cave.
03:24:27.600There's this repetitive sense, and again, I think that it's worth for the readers to know that it's greatly about setting a tone.
03:24:39.160It doesn't always translate out in the Old Norse, but the idea of it repeating itself in order to gain that semblance of tempo is important.
03:24:51.480And, you know, it says, you know, then sought the gods, their assembly seats, the holy ones and council held to find who with venom the air had filled or or had given Freya to the giants.
03:25:06.580And so there is a lot of arguments around the idea that there may have been something lost or there might have been a line that didn't quite translate here very well in relation to a story of Freyja being taken by the Jotnar as opposed to being threatened to be taken.
03:25:34.260and that there might be, I'm not saying a mistranslation,
03:25:42.000but a contexting that's kind of wrong or out of place here.
03:25:46.500Either there's a story that perhaps did exist in which Freyja was taken by Jotnar,
03:25:53.780but we do have, of course, the story of Idun or Iduna being taken.
03:25:58.840But in this case, Oath's Bride is very specific towards the relation of Freyja.
03:26:05.460And we know in the Gilfogining that one of the key components of the unification of the gods is that Njordr and his children, the lord and the lady, come with him to the gods.0.94
03:26:21.360And there comes in the peril of the Yotnar trying to, again, remove the linchpin of natural law in order to disrupt and change things.0.91
03:26:33.260And I, this one, as far as context is always, I'm still, you know, chewing this one up, if you will, in relation to perhaps they're referring to, again, the wall.0.95
03:26:51.920And one of the prices that the Jotunar, who is not known as a Jotun yet, is he asks for the spark or the sun and the spark of Muspelheim and the moon and Freyja.
03:27:12.960And so, you know, this part here is to find with, I guess, I don't know, it's intent or malice, if you will, I guess would be another good version of this, to find with malice the one that stole Freya.
03:27:40.140But to what story that might be alluding to is still kind of up to debate.
03:27:49.080And I hate to end it on that one being, you know, again, but stanza 26, which we'll go into next time, is making, again, reference to the rebuilding of heaven,
03:28:06.180rebuilding the walls, rebuilding the heavenly might after the war and this peace that is made.
03:28:14.760But it doesn't go into great detail because clearly she's, the Vola is stating her knowledge,
03:28:23.040letting Lord Odin know that she has seen all things or has seen how things have come to pass.
03:28:30.600So she's still in the state of establishing her power and lore.
03:28:35.320And ultimately, what this is, is allowing the poet to go through and quickly kind of reference other parts of the stories as they go.
03:34:38.980would you know yet more now this that part there is is you're going to see
03:34:45.240that the best way to look at it is when the vala starts to bring herself towards what would be
03:34:53.680perhaps the present of the story she's talked about the past now she's shifting over to the
03:34:59.880present. And that is when you, you see, you know, when, when she says, you know,
03:35:05.920she's saying, do you want to know more? And she'll say that over and over again. And that is
03:35:14.620a hundred percent the middle of the poem. And so I've always equated it to the present.
03:35:23.540Even though she's still kind of referencing secrets, she's referencing secrets that are known
03:35:29.460now not necessarily from the past and um this verse too is very very interesting
03:35:37.320so generally it causes quite a bit of confusion and this there's there's confusion in grimismal
03:35:44.480and in uh the volaspal about where the the residing place of which um yellow horn is set
03:35:55.780And some people wonder if it is in earth's well, or if it is in Mimir's well. And again, Mimir's well being the caveat that is that no one knows where Mimir's well is except for one, Lord Woden.
03:36:11.860So how would that be? And I think that the the the true point of this verse is that it is in earth as well in heaven because of the the problem with the pledge.
03:36:29.080people focus on the removal of the eye in in relation to this and i wonder and i'm you know
03:36:37.340still many things to think about and still kind of looking through is that there was another pledge
03:36:42.300that was made uh over a well and that was of course lord lord woden's sacrifice to himself
03:36:48.920um upon yggdrasil and looking down into the waters of of uh earth's well so
03:36:56.880I, I think that the, some of the confusion may have been there, but again, there also seems to
03:37:04.160be that, um, uh, sometimes mixed up some of the spots or perhaps as they were being written down
03:37:15.840and as they were being comprised, some of the spots get mixed to where, for instance, um,
03:37:21.060in the gilfagining it's mentioned where the roots go but in grimness mall uh the roots are mixed up
03:37:28.320there's there's one in heaven there's one in jotenheim and there's there's one in midgarth
03:37:34.660so it's like it gets i think these might actually be somewhat grammatical errors i don't think that
03:37:43.800there's too many or that there may have been a mix-up or perhaps um kind of a crossing of lines
03:37:50.640as far as getting the consistency of it.
03:37:54.500So I think that this is one of those kind of mysteries
03:37:57.340where people ask, like, well, if Lord of Odin knows where,
03:38:20.640And so I feel like that's a bit of a cramming point. And even Edward Thorson is, you know, Dr. Stephen Flowers, under his pen name, Edward Thorson, made some suggestions that the possibility of Heimdall being Lord Odin.
03:38:40.480And I don't prescribe to that, but I think that this is one of those passages that really kind of leans towards starting to question that.
03:38:53.620But I think that it's also worth noting, the Valfather's pledge and sacrifice was taken on Yggdrasil as well, not just Mimir as well.
03:39:06.680And so the, the idea that his, his, um, uh, sacrifice there and the, and the things that he gained, uh, as opposed to simply the eye, it's the whole, his whole being was gone and then returned from it.
03:39:25.200So, just something interesting there, but she's, again, reemphasizing that this is the present moment, and she's starting to kind of reveal secrets, and that is showing, again, her power.
03:48:08.600There's a lot of similarity when you trace the roots of our gods and their names throughout history as they come down to us.
03:48:25.380I see, I can see overlap in a lot of ways between Manu and Heimdall, and admittedly, which I'm not an expert on, and Heimdall, but I don't see that in the case of the All-Father. Svahn, do you have any thoughts on that?
03:48:42.680Interestingly enough, Jacob Borim kind of connected Bor, the father of Odin, he connected him to Manas of Tacitus' accounts.
03:49:03.040and of course manas is connected to or you know linguistically people have connected it to manu
03:49:09.360so there is a lot of speculation across the board on this um and i would say that again perennial
03:49:14.920truths of the idea of um from the you know from bor uh the gods come forth bar and bar and besla
03:49:24.520um so you know from the gods they they come out of and just like that there's uh you know again
03:49:33.420odin and the aunt and the breath that he gives to the to the folk and then heimdall so again they
03:49:40.660there it's it's a perennial truth about the opening of the problem is is when i think you0.95
03:49:48.640see it in hinduism where they start to kind of dial everything down into vishnu or dial everything
03:49:54.380down into shiva and i think right now what's going on is a lot of people dial everything down to ovin
03:50:00.860because the other gods perhaps cannot do these things or they feel that they cannot do these
03:50:07.740things because it somehow takes away from the sourcing of of the one ultimately you know it's
03:50:14.300just it kind of it's like that all mythos is related in arian uh sense but it all boils down
03:50:22.620to earth earth mommy and sky daddy and i again i think that this is a really dangerous path because
03:50:29.740our ancestors believed in the multiplicity of the gods for a reason their interactions with the gods
03:50:35.580and what they were taught by the first uh whether it's classier or whether it's king gelfi or
03:50:41.020whether it's just the stories that were spread down to us over time have always worked towards
03:50:48.060multiplicity and we should look at uh the patterning instead of attempting to kind of
03:50:55.900force but the perennial truth of of uh the eldest of the house bar being the progenitor of the gods
03:51:04.860and lord woden being the progenitor of the of the folk soul and and then heimdall being the
03:51:10.540progenitor of say the evolutions of the folk are all true so i can see those connections
03:51:19.980here's the here's the other thing and this goes back to my kind of overriding theme here
03:51:26.780if we were starting from nothing and inventing gods and inventing religion
03:51:35.980then cool it's super easy just to have like sky father and earth mother that's really handy
03:51:41.700it's easy it makes sense cool let's do that that's not what we're doing
03:51:46.780we have to start from a place to where our gods exist whether we're aware or not whether we
03:51:55.340understand them or not whether we know or not our gods exist lord odin exists lord heimdall exists
03:52:03.600any fault incomprehension between the two is on us not on them we seek to form a more perfect
03:52:11.700understanding of them and a better relationship with them individually and as the family of the
03:52:18.760isere we do that through devotion through offerings through the gift cycle through piety
03:52:25.280and through our best attempt at right action.
03:52:30.420And the study of that is good if it brings us closer to them
03:54:26.520And she speaks about him coming as if separate
03:54:31.700from the time or, and I always take this as again,
03:54:35.420The location is never truly stated except in comparison to the preparing of the halls in Helgard.
03:54:48.060But again, if she can see all from various levels, some people automatically assume that Lord Volden has gone into Helgard, which he does often.
03:54:58.540He goes into the place away from time.
03:55:00.120That's one of the most powerful parts of of him in retrospect to perhaps in the stories, all the other gods is that his unique ability to be dynamic.
03:55:13.560He's in the dynamic throne. And and I use these these titles because I'm not trying to force the gods into things.
03:55:20.260I'm trying to observe the gods from the stories and then kind of classify what that might be.
03:55:28.560And so Lord Vodhan being in the dynamic and seeing all the other Aryan faiths having the dynamic throne, having the stasis throne, and having the catalystic throne, it's generally seen that Lord Vodhan is in the place away from time, in the place of shadow, in the place where the deepest and the darkest root of Yggdrasil finds itself below the Nidavellar and into Niflheim.
03:55:57.360and and there he raises her up and that's generally when you see um the stories written
03:56:04.560not as poems but just as stories that is that is the um the general kind of mode you'll see it
03:56:12.000presented and that it was lord woden's sorrow of the death of his son that ultimately is the reason
03:56:20.800why he asked hermos to ride instead of him because the perilous journey but in this case you know
03:56:28.880it's generally seen that he has made the journey and once again has you know moved through nipa's
03:56:34.320cave and passed by garmer the the great uh hound death hound or or hell hound and um is now you
03:56:43.440know raising her somewhere in the deep cockles of the the shadowy realms um it's very very
03:56:50.720it's so cool but not contextualized in the poem so um i like to paint that a little bit because
03:56:57.120it helps people kind of like get the imagery of it and um i want to interject something real quick
03:57:03.200because it's a lot of these first ones feel free to fast forward these down the line when you watch
03:57:10.960them or whatever because i know we um go through points exhaustively but we're setting tones and
03:57:19.440it's really important so i see over in the chat and this is not aimed negatively this is something
03:57:25.680to keep in mind because we all have a tendency to do this it's very important to change our mindset
03:57:34.560change our language and change how we think of things from time to time
03:57:42.240somebody mentions that the gods were well-rounded because the folk in each social class had to be
03:57:52.000if the gods were well-rounded the gods are well-rounded our gods don't exist in the ancient
03:57:58.720past i mean certainly they do but they exist just as much in the ancient past as they do in the
03:58:04.480present and in the distant future and that's one of those things that we all do it's one of those
03:58:11.120one of the biggest things i try to correct um when we get new members they want to talk about what
03:58:18.080you know you guys in the afa you know you guys are doing this you guys are doing great things
03:58:23.760like no you mean us guys you are you're one of us you're in our family you're on the team
03:58:30.240we are doing those things and so when we talk about our gods they didn't used to be like x
03:58:37.120they are you know however they are um and it's it's just one of those things that may seem small
03:58:44.080but it affects how you think and the more you internalize that the more i don't know ingrained
03:58:49.680it becomes go ahead well so this though the way bellows places this is super i love it
03:58:58.960it it really gets the storytelling mode out she's saying to herself alone i sat when the old one
03:59:07.540sought me the terror of the gods and gazed in my eyes what hast thou to ask why comest thou hither
03:59:15.240oh then i know where thine eye is hidden so she's again revealing the fact she knows a0.88
03:59:21.360present secret a verdandi secret and she's she's just kind of posturing here um with great
03:59:29.860confidence uh because again perhaps her slumber or the place in which she has uh you know laid
03:59:38.460um brings her to this knowledge of like seeping through the roots uh while she's been in this
03:59:44.940torpor or sleep and um you know she says i know they're where they where odin's eye is hidden and
03:59:50.920she's speaking to odin deep in the wide famed well of mimir mead from the pledge of odin each
03:59:58.180uh each oh they kind of had a an interesting uh each mourn the there's a misspelling here
04:00:09.580uh but does does mimir drink would you know yet more and so here you know it's she's clearly
04:00:20.040stating there's a secret place a place after the war that you took the head of your uncle
04:00:27.160and hid it in a secret place in a well far off in the place of dissipation the place
04:00:34.800that's that cannot be traversed easily unless you are you know the the storm father or if you are
04:00:41.300lord othen himself and and it's it's just not and yet here she knows she knows of it
04:00:48.100she knows where it is she knows what the cost of the of the pledge that he made there with his eye
04:00:54.900to drink from that well and to know all things that have traversed through the middle world
04:01:00.940And that's, I think, a really important thing, the well of memory. If we understand the world, Uðr is the origin point, the place in which all things flow from. Mimir is the memory point. It is the part in which all things of time and weird and all the movements of the middle go into the wellspring of the memory, the place that it flows.
04:01:26.100And it's processed there through the wisdom of Mimir, and he is kind of like a godhead of all that has happened.
04:01:35.900And the eye there is clearly, you know, again, the association is that Lord Wolthen can now see all actions to their conclusion.
04:01:47.420And that helps with him staving off the ultimate end of chaos.
04:01:53.040if we're looking at this of course in the in the uh mythos timeline of of point a to point b
04:02:01.100this is what it's really about is again is attaining that understanding it's and she
04:02:06.620she states it and the reason why it's so important is because nobody knows where that is and she does
04:02:13.740so uh very very interesting um uh in 29 there is a there's a little bit of um a loss in this verse
04:02:26.440uh necklaces had eye and rings from hair hair father hair father of course being battle father
04:02:33.560or war father or uh you know raiding father um wise was my speech and my magic wisdom
04:02:42.080widely I saw all over the worlds. And what I think this is ultimately stating is that
04:02:48.420perhaps the process in which he gains this knowledge is given through gift giving in a form
04:02:53.920of necklaces and rings or the idea again, clearly of the Germanic concept of kind of giving in order
04:03:03.600to receive, um, that a leader must do oftentimes and, and, and, and, uh, with good, with good
04:03:10.980reward, it's, it's kind of seen that way as, um, a, a strong and high hand is a giving hand
04:03:17.700and can be a, uh, you know, or, or an unforgiving hand if you, if you go, uh, against it, kind of
04:03:24.460the, the process. So that, that, um, stanza there is, I think, kind of alluding to
04:03:31.640her um exchange and being able to see all through the worlds of of yggdrasil um and then she again
04:03:42.200this is poetic and i think it's it's important to perhaps um that the idea is that the the names of
04:03:49.660the the true avatars of lord wothin's um furious might is always the the the willful grasping
04:04:01.360hands of the Valkyrie, the Valkyries, the carriers of the slain. And so she goes to name that.
04:04:11.840And she says, on all sides, I saw the Valkyries assemble ready to ride to the ranks of the gods.
04:04:20.800There is scold. Now, this is like, again, a lot of people, this causes confusion because we think,
04:04:25.760Well, oh, there's the Nornscold, but again, the Nornir, the Deesir, and even some of the Ausenir, including Freyja, is often referred to as, again, a vanadis, a twister of fate.
04:04:45.440uh the nornir are kind of an application of of the usage of the word witch but not in the sense of
04:04:51.820like a troll witch as more so much like a a bringer of fate a turner of fate and the valkyria
04:05:00.080were seen that way they were seen as the ones that had the ability to again twist and and twine the
04:05:06.920fate of those on the battlefield to the moment that othen needed in order to uh bring up the
04:05:13.140strong souls. So, um, these, you know, he, he, he is basically being told, like, I, I even know the
04:05:23.320names of your Valkyries. Um, you know, there's Skold who bore the shield and there's Skogel,
04:05:30.000the shaking one, uh, who rode next. And then there is, you know, there is Guth and Heald,
04:05:35.300um you know uh might and or goodly might and battle and then uh gondul and gear skogel gear
04:05:45.680is a is uh the same as the old english gar gear is a spear like we spoke about with um garlic and
04:05:53.280and and uh the gear leak so she's the spear shaker and um of of herion's hair yarns herion's maidens
04:06:04.000so again her your father herion is of course the lord or the presiding of battle um the maiden's
04:06:13.080uh list ye have heard valkyries ready to ride over the earth so um really really again poignant
04:06:21.300and understanding that um she's referencing to lord odin's present state the the the secret of
04:06:29.740the eye and, and his application of willful spirit, the, the, the, the Valkyria, which we
04:06:38.380don't know the origin of. Um, but I kind of always have seen them as the, um, the willful
04:06:45.640manifestation or extensions of his will, perhaps, you know, completely understood as, as, um,
04:06:53.060by his, his desire. And a lot of people, um, have speculated again about the origins of the
04:07:01.860Valcadia, um, perhaps being, you know, physical maidens and, uh, throughout the times they have
04:07:08.240changed. They were, you know, kind of seen as, um, that terrible to look upon the, the, the fear of,
04:07:15.120of battle, the, um, shell shock, if you will, that could come over you if you were to kind of
04:07:20.360be in the presence of their spirit um because war is is hell in our hell guard war is is that way
04:07:30.680and so when they when they ride it's it's definitely seen as a scary sense but then
04:07:39.100later on too you know the valkyries are seen as um ever upward ever open and i think that that's
04:07:45.440really important just like when we see the valfather as the lord of battle but he's also
04:07:49.820lord of gladsheim we see battle and and the darkness and and a lot of that but it's not
04:07:56.060the motif entire it's there is a grandeur to it as well um and so i you know this this part
04:08:05.020though definitely captures um some of the kind of just brutalness of it all um
04:08:11.900Um, so yeah, we move, uh, now into, let me see, we are, uh, in 31, double checking, making
04:08:26.980sure, so I don't skip anything because that would be, uh, let me see.
04:19:38.680It's because Svan is well-versed in the existent body of our lore, so he is making sense within that context as opposed to, you know,
04:19:49.820aha, there's this one line, because our lore doesn't work that way.
04:19:54.500Well, and in particular with this situation, there is a problem about balance and Aryan mythos. If Vaulli kills Hodor, but then the son of Loki, Vaulli, kills his brother, people try to make that equation as Hoth kills Baldr, so Loki's two sons will kill each other as well.
04:20:21.980But this immediately negates the purpose of Vaoli and what he's come to do. And again, there's no stating as to this other son of Loki, what happens after he kills his brother and binds him with it.
04:20:39.000So there was these gaps that we were looking at, and the linguistics of it speculate that perhaps it was not that case, that Vowli was the instrument throughout the entirety, and this is Vowli Odinson, son of Odin and Rindr, and that he is enacting this vengeance because that is what he is born to do.
04:21:05.820And the moment you take that and go, oh, well, perhaps there was a kind of a double skip there and that it's Narvi that's slain by Vaoli, then everything is complete at that point.
04:28:58.100The lore is a tool to get to know our gods better.
04:29:01.520but I've always maintained and I believe and you know what x that I think that we're very used to
04:29:12.940I mentioned words being important earlier we have this ingrained humility on it
04:29:20.820it's not what I believe it's what I know if we had none of our war and we were without those things
04:29:31.060we found ourselves on a distant planet on a deserted island and it was just us and our gods
04:29:39.580we would build lore we would build relationship we would come to know them better if we approach
04:29:46.600them through piety and that's what we are doing and it's a huge hope of ours um that by establishing
04:29:55.560Hoffs to some of these gods that we know less about that we will build those relationships
04:30:03.380and those bonds in such a way that we'll be blessed with with greater knowledge and greater
04:30:08.220understanding of them and we've already seen that the relationships with our gods have grown
04:30:16.080as our Hoffs honoring them have have been established in this regular worship that those
04:30:21.960Hoffs occur. So I'm excited for that as it grows and develops. But again, the lore is a tool to
04:30:30.160help us build those relationships. What is most important is building that relationship with our
04:30:36.640gods. I've said it before, there's a profound difference in being a scholar on a subject
04:30:44.300and being someone who has a personal relationship with someone or i say with someone it's not uh
04:30:57.020it is a relationship it's not like you know balder's my homie it doesn't some people have
04:31:04.940trivialized it to that point but it's absolutely a relationship between a worshiper and his gods
04:31:12.020and that's the most important thing if the war helps us to get there fine but if you have the
04:31:17.940war without the relationship and without the devotion then you're a scholar and that's fine
04:31:24.740to be a scholar but being a scholar does not make you also true and if you have the relationship
04:31:30.020with our gods and you have you know no knowledge of the war or you've never never seen it or didn't
04:31:37.380have access to it you are closer to being also true than the scholar who's never you know put
04:31:44.660his book down and prayed um verse 35 there comes a point again in mentioning the um the uh
04:32:01.220the kin slayer again um and i wanted to bring up another point too because again
04:32:06.820the way that we organize things when we talk about the gods and we talk about hierarchy
04:32:12.020very little is said beyond that and so uh this is another great point of understanding
04:32:17.540about the way um we observe the hierarchy of of of the gods and uh perhaps other people
04:32:25.620or um you know fly by nights or things like that um perhaps lose it in the fold but we have an
04:32:33.060absolute kind of observation of it is so as one did i see in the wet woods bound um and that that
04:32:42.260again is the verlandi um is it's the mired lands uh and again it's mentioned in um the gilford
04:32:53.380getting is the the kettle groves and it's mentioned in the in the vola as well later on
04:32:58.660But one did I see in the wet woods? A lover of ill. The worker of strife is basically what the lover of ill means. And to Loki like. Again, likening to his name known amongst the gods.
04:33:49.840and in hierarchy that i have always placed in this is is the the our senior the goddesses are
04:33:57.440clearly mentioned there's frigga there's freya there's fulla snotra or snotra um nowa and and
04:34:07.760all of all of them are you know are named fulla and i mean uh var and vow and soven and loven and
04:34:14.720all of the the house and you are mentioned and then outside of that we have very key um
04:34:22.000beings in our in our faith and in the stories that are not mentioned in that list and so
04:34:27.120we call them the aust the near the beloved ones and they're aligned with the gods and therefore
04:34:33.520are of the gods but they're not listed as the awesome so you have for instance like even and
04:34:41.520And most of us, I think it's going without saying.
04:34:46.720But because the list was set as of the Al-Senor,
04:34:51.480and that has a titled sense of perhaps the working machinations of our faith
04:34:59.060and the faith of our ancestors about who they prayed to
04:35:03.320versus the forces that are present in heavenly being.0.57
04:35:08.440So, you know, you have Sif and Idun, and one of the Austvenir that is, you know, is of the gods, but then is consigned to the fate based off her obligation and oath to the kinslayer is Sigion.
04:43:02.200And I know it's going to laud some laughs
04:43:06.420but it survives in our language like in the same as like nipple and it it means like a pronging
04:43:14.900spot a nipa's cave is is a cave inside a kind of a mound and it could be viewed as a kurgan or it
04:43:23.060could be viewed sometimes as a natural structure but it's seen as the place that kind of juts up
04:43:28.020in the north and that you know that the soul travels down that road and then that the door
04:43:36.340that's awaiting it that faces the north is the ever-opening door of hellguard because all things
04:43:42.660must end and all things must die venom dropping through the smoke vent down i mean that's worth
04:43:48.100noting the smoke vent of a hall and the idea that um venom doesn't necessarily just mean um like
04:43:56.980from uh fangs it was it was the the fetid process or the the things that which break down and so
04:44:06.020all of hellguard is always associated with the what i call the calamity of midgard it's the uh
04:44:13.220it's the all things that are used to catalyst and break apart and slowly pull down and um
04:44:20.900But I think it's just an understanding that our ancestors had towards death and that it was not entirely just Christianization.
04:44:30.900If that was the case, I would think like perhaps if he was bringing up concepts of like lakes of fire and things of that nature, he might have – that might have been an overstep.
04:44:41.220But that is not the case. And so I think it's worth noting that there's a power in an understanding that our ancestors, if they accept us, we can then move into sacred and held space.
04:44:55.640But if we are rejected by that, then we find ourselves on Naustron crossing, you know, the river Gjöl and the river Slyðr and finding ourselves there with, you know, the serpents and the beasts of separation.
04:45:12.460um so again uh the reason why i'm keying in on that is because a lot of i would say modern house
04:45:18.980of true in in one of its follies as far as um i would say like not even house of true perhaps
04:45:24.200norse paganism is um they have a tendency oh that's naughtiest christianization of
04:45:29.480of the underworld and we don't have a place where there's like consequences and i would beg to0.86
04:45:34.960different yeah that's that's silly and it's part of the
04:45:42.640maybe childlike is a better word um so in anything in any new endeavor in any great um
04:46:04.960break from, uh, from the norm. There's a period of infancy where you start out and
04:46:17.780are first, you know, literally like an infant or a child, you're first trying to get your
04:46:24.560bearings on life and the world around you and it necessitates you know extremes and
04:46:35.680kind of a flailing period where you're finding yourself and you're finding what's what
04:46:41.420and then once you understand that as you grow and as you mature you move from that
04:46:46.120well asa true in its infancy in its modern stage and the rebirth of asa true there was a need to
04:46:53.240Anything that Christianity has, we can't have any point of commonality.0.97
04:48:10.400The further and deeper understanding of it is it's a place of disillusion, dissolving, of breaking your components down into their fundamental pieces because it is a place of recycling.
04:48:27.500Your soul, your you-ness, your ek, along with other parts of your you, are found so worthless that not only do you not have worth, but your existence is of negative value to our gods and our folk.
04:48:50.300and your pieces are dissolved and literally recycled into something better than the creation that is slash was you.
04:49:03.760We don't believe that's the fate of anyone who sins or anyone who falls short of the glory of the gods,
04:49:14.780But that is for people who have defined themselves by their villainy,0.92
04:49:18.760who have defined themselves by their lack of character and their lack of behavior,
04:49:27.820their behavior that is so far beyond the pale that their existence is a disgrace to our folk and our gods.
04:49:36.980And it's one of the things you see a similar principle when you read Tacitus.
04:49:43.700I know it's probably pronounced Tacitus, but it sounds funny.
04:49:47.120He doesn't got good mouthfeel, and so we're going to call him Tacitus now just like we're going to call him Caesar and not Caesar, whatever I think the more appropriate Latin is.
04:50:00.100Anyways, Tacitus, when he writes in Germania about how thieves and murderers and other folks are punished by their hung in trees for people to see as an example of, hey, this guy did something bad.0.90
04:50:14.140But certain things, and he mentions homosexuals and cowards, those who flee in the face of danger, that was so distasteful that, no, they put them in bogs because they didn't want to be reminded.0.68
04:50:37.080They were all made less by the reminder of those people's existence.0.92
04:50:41.060And so that's the idea here. There's other forms of you not getting rewarded in the afterlife. But if you're on the strand, you're being dissolved and repurposed into, you know, so your component parts can be used for something much more worth.
04:51:00.320and this this idea of dissolving parts of the soul
04:51:07.400does have crossover into subjects that other folks in the chat are talking about
04:51:14.120in terms of hermeticism and other western magical tradition there is some overlap there and that's
04:51:20.760one of the things i wanted to make sure we weren't being too too hard on folks that maybe
04:51:24.780aren't coming at this from an house of true perspective
04:51:34.220well it uh speaks here in in um uh stanza 40 and it's worth noting there is another
04:51:43.020um poem uh comprised of called hawksbock in which they pull one of the stanzas uh stanza 44 and kind
04:51:51.420of interlope it in here and so some scholars have um you know it's it's no it's worth noting that
04:51:59.020at least in that one there is a mention of it but the the verses are moved and it's i think that's
04:52:05.740again uh because in this part there's repetition being mentioned and verse 44 still doesn't
04:52:13.820migrate away from the realm in which the vala is talking about the underworld so it doesn't
04:52:20.460necessarily uh even kind of contradict anything in hauck's book but here you know it's it's pulled
04:52:29.180in later but it's again a part of a repetition that is established when again saying the poem
04:52:35.900and filling in sections of it with repetition in order to bridge to the next point in the
04:52:42.380the verses is kind of what the poets are doing. But yeah, Auster sat in Altna i Irnvidhi.
04:52:56.060So East sat in the old iron copses. Oh, did I? Yes. Oh, excuse me. Sorry. Sorry. I was
04:53:09.260Thank you for catching me on that one.
04:53:12.280Sorry, let's jump it back first real quick.
04:53:14.760I was concentrating on that interpolation part
04:53:20.580So there I saw wading through rivers wild,
04:53:23.380the treacherous men and murderers too,
04:53:27.100and the workers of ill with wives of men.
04:53:31.860And again, that's an interesting one too,
04:53:33.480Because when we, you know, when we talk about the bond, the bonded maidens that are, it's generally alluded to being like the trothful maidens of men, even though it's not outright, you know, mentioned.
04:53:56.800it's it's spoken of is that these ladies are of the bonding of oaths and so therefore they are
04:54:02.400wed women and um so that i you know i saw their wading through the rivers while and this again
04:54:10.480is the referencing to gyal which is the the name gyal survives very much in our language like with
04:54:17.460the word yelp and so it's like a crying out so it's the river of mournful cries and um you know
04:54:24.880they're wading through. And in this is, you know, there's treacherous men, murderers, wanton
04:54:31.160murderers, you know, ones that kill without any, you know, sense. And the workers of ill and
04:54:38.960balefulness and, you know, and the treachery and cunning with bonded maidens. And there1.00
05:02:24.400actually looking at the script or looking at the side. I wasn't looking at the chat script and
05:02:29.360good job. Yeah. Everybody's hitting it. I'm sorry. I just didn't hit me right away. But yeah,
05:02:40.720that's what this is referencing to is the Alda, the ancient being that resides in the East Woods
05:02:45.600in the Ironwoods or Ironvidi is Angerboda.0.99
05:02:51.400She is the true and kind of opposite of Sigrun,1.00
05:02:57.080the bearer forth of the tripartite of woe, if you will.1.00
05:03:03.380Fenris being the most detrimental in heaven
05:03:06.540and Jormungandr being the most static in the middle
05:03:09.360and Hela being the most stasis and kind of unoffending in Helgard,
05:03:14.720but given a kind of position of function and so you see it as kind of again the closer to heaven
05:03:20.560the closer to the tree the closer to the roots the closer to the gods versus the farther away
05:03:25.980and that is really about the dissipation of a cycle and she represents that dissipation so um
05:03:34.300you know it says the giantess of old in ironwood sat in the east and bore the brood of fenrir
05:03:42.320Now, this could, again, some people have suggested perhaps this is Fenrir with Engroboda, but most likely with the usage of the word kinder, it means of the like.
05:03:57.720So in Fenrir, Fenrir means the dweller in the fens. Fenrir's kind, Fenrir's ilk is that of the wolf, is that of the destructor, the consumer.
05:07:52.100is Teddy Roosevelt's Man in the Arena speech, because it's always meant a lot to me personally,
05:08:05.220and it's really profound. And I think it encapsulates so much of what we talk about
05:08:14.860regularly so much of the struggle of the afa over the decades now so much of the things that
05:08:28.220that we all deal with and very specifically this concept and it's one of the bigger you know
05:08:37.260The themes that I talk about is the idea that Auschwitz is about doing and not about thinking, and that it's very, very easy for people in mom's basement to criticize, but it's much, much harder to be out there doing and making things happen.
05:08:58.680But this has always been so meaningful to me, the idea that the devouring forces of chaos that seek to swallow the sun and swallow the moon are the haters and mockery, literally the critics.
05:12:32.440because the forces that surround us of chaos
05:12:35.740are always there with gaping ma one step behind us if we stop if we get lazy if we get full of
05:12:44.820ourselves if we rest on our laurels we are devoured we always have to stay one step ahead
05:12:52.360of the wolf and i just thought this is a poignant reminder of that and it sets a tone for the rest
05:13:00.120of our war yeah the scoffing um i've often spoke about that too is like the cynicism is the death
05:13:12.700of uh in of a lot of things that are trying to be built up it's it's a destructive force
05:13:19.860you always find a bunch of people building and focusing on inward and doing and creating and
05:13:26.600organizing and building that structure and then you'll find the one off on the side scoffing the
05:13:32.600one that that doesn't have true criticism but will just try to pick apart or create something or
05:13:38.920create a straw man or or simply just kind of gaslight you into believing one way and that
05:13:44.600is the scoffing cynicism that oftentimes plagues modern um perhaps with the with the uh the um
05:13:52.840I'm an entity of, of, uh, of the internet that creates that, that scoffing this, but, uh, I remember somebody saying that, and this is something that made me think about this, the nature of scoffing and hatred kind of in hand in hand.
05:14:13.160but one often is the visual and the other is like the hidden, um, intent is, uh, I remember
05:14:19.660somebody saying that, uh, uh, in comparison to some of the victories that we've gained
05:14:24.900in the, uh, Auschwitz folk assembly that, uh, they said, uh, oh, well, Christianity churches
05:14:31.660are everywhere. That doesn't make them good or something like that. Or Christianity is everywhere
05:14:36.240and that doesn't make it good and kind of trying to again scoff against the the achievements that
05:14:43.760have been attained and and ultimately the the struggles that have been in order to make those
05:14:50.000but simply just looking at the uh the the end results oh well the end results if you've got
05:14:56.560glory and you've got victories that you know there's other people that have it too so that
05:15:01.120doesn't mean that it's you know and that's this is the thing i just want to relate and i this is not
05:15:07.680because i'm clever or because this was a sick burn but it's
05:15:14.400posted a picture a while back of gothy rob stam at thorshoff doing a children's bloat with the
05:15:24.480children and somebody on twitter felt that that was an appropriate thing to criticize and talk
05:15:33.200about how that place looks soulless and whatever whatever nonsense they said0.95
05:15:43.120and i wasn't trying to be a jerk i was trying to put it in perspective and i said you know0.98
05:15:47.440okay please show me you know a picture of how your children do bloat in one of your0.80
05:15:58.640Hoffs so I can see it you know so I can see how to do it right well I didn't what I meant what
05:16:06.220I really meant was okay you know that's the thing I the AFA is not above criticism I personally
05:17:25.000There's stuff, and I noticed in the room earlier, like, I'm not ignorant, I'm not unaware, and I don't think the other people in here aren't either.
05:17:33.980Absolutely, when you're done with the program, if you want,
05:17:36.620Google about sewers in New York and crazy stuff if I'm in today.
05:17:40.900It's there. It exists. It's just not what we do.
05:17:45.600All of the thought that there's other groups of people out there holding us down,
05:21:56.860On a hill there sat and smote on his harp, Egthor the joyous, the giant's warder.
05:22:05.000So this, again, I think is referencing to the edge bound, perhaps the one who presides over the edges of Jotunheim, but apparently in the usage of the harp, I think that this is giving denote to perhaps a terrible sound.
05:22:28.000his name means is is the like the edge cut um that which is you know sliced and um he is you0.92
05:22:40.240know joyous though he's the warder of the yotnar and um he sits uh above him there is a a cock
05:22:50.160in the birdwood crowned fair and red did fjallar fjallar stand and so what's going on right now
05:22:58.260is the mentioning of the resounding sounds there is the mention of the roosters in one in heaven
05:23:08.460one in midgard and one in the the world below and why again it's so important to emphasize
05:29:15.240that kind of sense of wantonness or the destitution, the immoral.
05:29:27.200And again, a lot of people try to throw this, that Snorri's just,0.85
05:29:30.380oh, there he goes being a Christian again.
05:29:32.740But I mean, the word is clearly in relation to whoredom is an Anglo-Saxon word.0.98
05:29:39.020Hordormr is, of course, an Old Norse word.
05:29:42.600It's not something where he's like, you know, stating stuff about Sodom and Gomorrah or something from the Bible.
05:29:48.900I mean, he's it is known. It is a word that can quantify a thing.
05:29:52.800And that thing is, again, wantonness and an immoral impropriety.0.98
05:29:58.820And that's why I often say, you know, it's like, again, Ausatru is a moral religion.0.97
05:30:03.760And in the way it frames itself is based on order.
05:30:07.340And anything against order is ultimately immoral, not necessarily saying unnatural, because disorder happens in nature quite often.
05:30:15.900And there's much that can be said in nature that is natural, but we would never do it.
05:30:22.060And so we always stick to the to the premise of morality versus whether it's, you know, happens in nature or it's natural.
05:30:33.980No, there is immoralness that is worth to be noted.
05:30:40.520And that is that that is this time, the time that is it.
05:30:43.500So it's making kind of a reference to the prophecy of the of the earth being filled with strife and immorality or immoral behavior.
05:30:53.260And brothers and sisters are and there's no kidship that that's sanctified anymore.
05:31:02.220and so everything begins to dissolve and the hierarchy of life begins to break down
05:31:07.980i think that's a really truly kind of powerful everybody seems to mention or or remember this
05:31:14.860stanza in particular you know the axe age the the sword age the wind age the wolf age that's such a
05:31:22.300very powerful um usage even when we translate it to our language it has a very very powerful point
05:31:29.980But again, we see that because the perennial truths of our stories is that, again, it's not perhaps stating any but all times like that and all ages like that, that we can see these cycles pass through.
05:31:47.760So I don't know if it denotes to a singular thing or singular time.
05:31:52.320and uh brings us elaborate on uh that does bring us to the end yeah i wanted to
05:32:09.200so i went in and uh said good night to my daughter and i got back in time to catch swan's bit about
05:32:16.960just because it could possibly be found in nature doesn't make it the natural order of things
05:32:25.120and i think that harkens back to what i was saying earlier the rule is based on
05:32:33.760the commonality not based on the one exception or the one outlier mutation exists freaks exist
05:32:44.160but the reason freaks are interesting and we you know marvel at them or are disgusted by them or
05:32:55.040have a strange reaction to them is they deviate from the norm and from what is the right order
05:33:03.140of nature certainly you find um deviations in nature that occur and we marvel at them because
05:33:15.140they are so odd in their occurrence just because something could possibly be found in nature
05:33:23.860doesn't make it quote unquote natural natural refers to the natural order of things and how
05:33:32.020things are supposed to work and how things optimally work um the disruptions we see in
05:33:39.860nature are often omens of calamity and bad things
05:33:45.140Svon, are you ready to start part three of the Volusbou?
05:34:49.580now uh this this is truly an interesting uh
05:34:57.900stanza because of the usage of the words the the plurals of sun the fast move the sons of mim
05:35:07.380and fate is heard in the note of yellow horn so the second line in that is pretty clear we know
05:35:17.900about the referencing of the sounding of yellow horn yellow horn again if people were to wonder
05:35:26.540and i've made mention of it before with the river gyal the the river gyal and the word
05:35:33.900have the same root to mean like to yelp or to cry out in this case you know gyal is more of a
05:35:44.040resounding the resounding horner or the the horn of great calling and this is clear but that first
05:35:50.580line fast moves the sons of mim and fate so there's a lot of debate as to exactly
05:36:03.940who this is is relating to especially in in the fact that mimir is not mentioned as having
05:36:11.300uh children um some people have thought that this might just simply mean the gods themselves
05:36:19.060uh others have correlated it to be jotins that the idea that mimir is especially under snorri
05:36:28.860snorri didn't do a lot to align um the gods he didn't see the gods as you know tribal alliances
05:36:38.360or it really the way we see them is is you know in correlation to their dominion and the power
05:36:45.380that they have and that anybody that aligns themselves with the dominion of the gods is in
05:36:49.780essence an aus of some way shape or form whether they're a beloved one or they're actually an aus
05:36:56.220or an aus is you know that that's the hierarchy um so some people have taken this to mean that
05:37:04.900the you know the sons of mim might have been in relation to the idea of the jotuns um i don't
05:37:12.980have a huge take on this. Um, I think that, and I don't say this very often, um,
05:37:25.720occasionally the, the writing of the Adas and the poems, there's a couple of
05:37:31.940like logistical errors in which things aren't quite expounded on because there's not enough
05:37:40.780space or time. Sometimes I look at it as does the context of the audience, does the audience
05:37:46.740understand it? And maybe we don't. That could be the case with this line, but it could also
05:37:53.900be a misnomer of placement. We don't know if Snorty or even our ancestors really understood
05:38:07.220or placed a heavy emphasis on Mimir and say the concepts of time as more or less a, you know,
05:38:15.820a part of the whole kind of painting the story with words. So, I mean, I would say most likely
05:38:24.840they're referring to the Jotunar because of everything that's happening in the poem.
05:38:30.440And, you know, we talk now about the Jotuns. We talk now about the accursed dead and the sons of Muspel. And so all of the chaotic forces are now in motion. And because of that motion, he who can see at great distance, he pulls his horn, holds it aloft, and sounds it.0.96
05:39:00.440and and this uh these these next two parts obviously he sounds it but that last line
05:39:06.020in fear quake all who on hell's roads are so
05:39:11.060that's an interesting one because in the uh old Norse it says
05:39:19.820So the mention of Hell's Roads is actually kind of, I think, a part on Bellows, you know, issue is that he kind of added in there the idea of the dead looking up and kind of seeing and hearing the sound of the resounding of heaven.
05:39:49.820You know, but in there, you know, he, he holds up or he gives out the call of his horn aloft.
05:39:58.420And I really, let me see, because I've always, you know, when we talk about Mims Hallwood and Hallwood in relation to, I'm going to look into that just as we're going.
05:40:19.820but um this 46 this stanza in particular is truly an interesting one and I think that a lot of
05:40:29.020translators have issues with it and they try to understand um or make you know use of it that all
05:40:36.800the stuff about Heimdall is very clear and understood but the sons of of uh Mimir or Mim
05:40:43.480And also the Old Norse version of the stanza doesn't equate those on Hell's Road being, you know, called forth or hearing the sound.
05:41:02.120I'm really like, it's throwing me off and I'm like, I want to look up something.
05:41:06.240So I want to see because of one thing in particular.
05:41:08.200But what we're getting right now is, again, the story is starting to take its zenith point.
05:41:20.680The zenith point is really, I think, all the movement.
05:41:24.500And the Valla is talking about the unknown at this point.
05:41:30.100She's speaking to Lord Odin in a projected sense of what will come.
05:41:35.640Now, it's worth noting that I think our ancestors and by design, the gods, you know, project an idea of hope.
05:41:49.060There's a sliver of hope in this is that for us, the future is not projected, but is a cumulative events of will.
05:41:59.780and so that which is not is basically a projection like someone pulling back an arrow or pulling back
05:42:10.360a bowstring with an arrow in it you can project the idea of where it will fly based on when it
05:42:18.240is loose but it's not fully there yet and there's a lot of things that can happen along the way
05:42:24.520And I think that's the key point as to why Lord Odin is doing what he's doing. And I mean that in a very real sense. I'm not, I'm not speaking about that in a hypothetical is I think that a lot of people have a tendency to forget that Lord Odin isn't just the Faustian caveat.
05:42:40.600He isn't just the archetypal mindset that a lot of people have.
05:42:46.200It's that Odin is actively doing things in order to, again, change the direction of or at least prolong the projection of the Vala's prophecy.
05:43:00.880And this is where we start to move into that.
05:43:04.340This is the arrow in flight, if you will, but possibly changed by the wind.
05:43:09.060you know, there's a lot going on here. Um, so when we move to 47, uh, it says Yggdrasil shakes
05:43:24.480and shiver on high, the ancient limbs and the giant is loose. Now it, again, that part there
05:46:19.620Again, this brings up a lot of the, I've heard a lot of discussions about how Lord Odin is perhaps slain by an unprojected, and I mean this in the sense that people haven't quite found a solid answer,
05:46:39.360But have thought of or perhaps levied an idea that Lord Odin is slain by a Jotun or a kinsman of Surt
05:46:50.660Whereas perhaps Fenris is more a meeting of which Lord Tyr has to finish his cycle
05:47:01.060Because again, a lot of people have keyed in on the idea that it's odd that Lord Tyr faces off with Gorm
05:47:08.060and lord odin faces off with fenris and here they're mentioning the you know the kinsmen of
05:47:13.120cert and um you know either this was just seen as uh another agent of the jotnar or of the
05:47:24.920entirety of the chaos and that that's what binds them is that now they're you know enemies of the
05:47:30.440gods and so any enemy of the gods is a kinsman to each other i mean we could read it into that
05:47:36.720And I don't exactly know how far we can stretch it.
05:47:42.200But there's, I think, a clear sense of there's framing and leaning here in order to create, I think, connective points while also maintaining poetic correction or correct like meter and correct, you know, linguistic holdings.
05:48:04.600And so these two stanzas are extremely interesting when we look at them, and there's a lot to pick apart.
05:48:19.500You know, I'm especially – like I'm looking here, and I want to see, but we're going to continue on because I just wanted to bring up points.
05:48:30.080The other thing is, it's not necessarily to explain all things within the poem as it is to entice everyone listening to look at the poems, look at some of the translations, look how the translators may have turned things or shifted things in order to create their interpretations in a better light.
05:48:53.980Um, you know, as, as we, you know, go through, I'm in, I'm beckoning people to look at these
05:49:02.560stanzas and try to figure them out and try to, uh, you know, take in their own, um,
05:49:10.340conceptualizations. I'm trying to state general arguments throughout, um, that have been made
05:49:17.880some that I've heard some that I've read about some that have been discussed, um, you know,
05:49:23.580throughout either the lore within the Gothar or the lore within, you know, just peer studies in relation to this.
05:49:36.680And again, you know, there's the, you know, connection between these two.
05:49:43.660The last line in Fearquake All, Who on Hell's Roads Are, whereas the last, you know, line in Old Norse is,
05:49:54.040And that is not the, you know, the direct correlation.
05:53:20.860And of the middle worlds, most pointedly is that the Vanaheim survives, and that in the lower, Helheim itself survives as well, almost like an encapsulation point.
05:53:40.540So each of the three levels in the Aryan mythos have like an encapsulation place, and each one of those things holds its place, its point.
05:53:56.200So this is – in stanza 49, there is a mentioning that we will see again.
05:54:06.040this is um this is a a repeating um in which you know out lies out cries out um garm the the hound
05:54:19.240of the dead the hound of hell um the the hell hound is at the gates and it is baying out because
05:54:27.880things are loosening and the fetters will burst and the wolf will run free so you know this again
05:54:34.280referencing clearly to fenris but also to all fetters and the fetters will burst in the idea
05:54:42.200that even garm's place of keeping and containing things is lost so helgard opens up jotenheim
05:54:53.720opens up and even heaven is opened up and all the fetters and all the bindings all the gates
05:55:29.640And again, that is truly the, it's the regency, if you will, of the powers, of mighty powers.
05:55:42.220So it is the inevitable, it is the fate of the mighty powers as they are coming to be tied and they're coming to be wound towards their doom.
05:56:21.380And again, you see repeatedly Jotunheim is often kind of seen as a place where time ends or time breaks apart. It's that threshold between the world of man and the underworld, and that is kind of where time dissipates.
05:56:39.620That's why Mimir's well is there. And again, I think it applies here with Primr and his agedness, the agedness of his cracking and coming to an older state.0.71
05:56:53.280Again, the Jotunar are always seen as elder beings or beings that have been around like the mountains, and that's kind of how the jump came into them being giants.
05:57:06.940But the elderness of them is oftentimes, I think, lost, and his name really holds true to it.
05:57:17.060And he comes from the east with his shield held high.
05:57:20.300This, of course, means ready to battle. He's, he's generally seen as, you know, the strength of the gods is rallying behind. I mean, it's the strengths of the giants is rallying behind him. So his shield is held high and he's, he is ready.
05:57:35.160And, you know, in the strength of the gods
05:59:52.720Over the waves, he twists, and the tawny eagle gnaws corpses screaming.
06:00:03.640Nail, fari, or, you know, it's worth noting that the G is kind of a softer G, so instead of nagel far, it would be pronounced nail, nail.
06:00:19.700like the g is kind of a almost a y sound nail fari uh the the nail farrier um again like a
06:00:30.580scratching hand uh it is loose um and that would be of course because that right there at the end
06:00:37.600it's it's uh speaks of it being loosed and it's automatically kind of understood that the audience
06:00:44.500would know exactly what we're talking about in reference because it's not fully explained later
06:00:52.260but uh you know with snorty kind of contextualizing it in the um
06:00:57.540scout scarpus uh mall or in the gilfagini um
06:01:05.540but the uh the the part here that you might see is the tawny eagle uh the the word for eagle is
06:01:13.380ari it's very much like arn in um german arn like arn old means old eagle or a great eagle
06:01:22.980and so ari um here and ari locker uh slitter now we need foller need voller is like the need
06:01:36.820is the bodies. And what this is most likely referring to, to give context, is the great
06:01:44.280Jotun, uh, known as Reisvelk, the, the, the, uh, the Jotun of the wind, or the Jotun of the stir
06:01:55.840of the wind, or at least the Jotun of wind, perhaps that's, that is, um, a blight wind,
06:02:02.720a vile wind because again i think it's it's worth noting that we shouldn't contextualize the gods or
06:02:10.000the jotuns and their powers in the middle as being one for one it's not you know uh thor
06:02:16.320god of storms it is that their dominion and the place in which they
06:02:23.960replicate their dominion in the middle world and so we understand that the jotun art have this
06:02:29.060And so, you know, Heisfeld could be contextualized as perhaps the creator of a specific type of storm or, again, baleful storms, storms that have, you know, kind of, again, a destructive intent, whether that you could say perhaps, you know, I know a lot of people have theorized the idea that tornadoes could be seen as worms.
06:02:58.880or serpents um and you know or hurricanes in a sense these baleful winds are kind of stirred by
06:03:08.240the uh the eagle on the edge and in in our uh our cosmological drawing uh you will see there is an
06:03:18.720eagle with like wafts of wind off of his wings and that's who they're met you know who we're
06:03:24.880referencing to. So the, you know, Jotunheim starts to flow towards the middle. The under is starting
06:03:33.940to rise up and they're all, their final destination really is about transferring over and towards the
06:03:42.940land of the gods. And it's worth, again, reemphasizing our ancestors saw the gods as being
06:03:50.440above but within the middle of the world they didn't you know see the gods as being on top
06:04:00.620of the tree they don't really mention that as being the cases they see the tree as being in
06:04:06.700the center place of the world and that place is above the clouds or above um the shining place
06:04:14.720above Leoselfheim, the mountaintops that hold the gods aloft are never fully contextualized
06:04:22.940as being a specific mountain range or anything of that nature as more or less just that center
06:04:30.400place. And here you'd have to think of it as, again, if we're looking at the world in a flat
06:04:36.820sense under your feet the yotan are coming from the east and with it they're stirring up the wind0.85
06:04:44.900so you have cream and all the yotan that are you know have been itching to get to the center
06:04:51.520and get to the over the midgarth and up into the heavenly realm they're crossing through0.99
06:04:59.100into our world and bringing with them chaos and destruction and so the the eagle is flying over
06:05:06.500them. And it's stirring up the wind of great storms. Jormungandr is writhing in the water
06:05:11.960and the, the Jotnar are themselves coming. And from the North, there is a cave and out of the1.00
06:05:17.920cave is spilling forth the, you know, the, the accursed dead, the ones that are, you know,
06:05:23.440that have, were rejected by their ancestors and their, their Vargar and their, you know,
06:05:31.240just you know riding in and up on this ship so in a way the the poetics i think are kind of
06:05:39.620keeping to a rule but when you talk about it from a storytelling standpoint it is very much an epic
06:05:45.740kind of enclosing of the middle which everything is kind of writhing and rolling and wind is blowing
06:05:53.760and churning there the the words here are kind of lost with the imagery that are placed inside the
06:06:01.680context um so you know i like to bring that into point um when we talk about it in a story form
06:06:10.860it's like imagine our ancestors you know hearing this and seeing things in a uh dimensional sense
06:06:17.740that is based around under their feet you know we know for a fact and a lot of people have asked
06:06:23.520you know does also true uh believe the world is flat does um you know the conception conceptualization
06:06:31.200of that and i don't think that's the case i think that just as much as say christianity was looking
06:06:37.120at the world in a solar centric i mean uh earth centric view as opposed to a solar one our
06:06:43.920ancestors were looking at from the individual uh from the from the the folk as they stood
06:06:52.720and so in that sense all of the paradigms are mythically laid out but they're also
06:06:59.840spiritually correct the idea of of the you know the upper world is where the gods reside
06:07:06.000in the east where the chaos comes that's where the that's where um the uh the yotnar come from
06:07:12.240the west you know that's where the the life and and the um growing and the cycles of all things
06:07:19.040and beneath us is where the dvergar are and beneath that is where you know the the souls
06:07:25.280return to vergelmer and the the roiling and and uh rolling uh well so it's i think it is
06:07:35.120super important to look at cosmology in two ways is one is as it is written but also too
06:07:42.160as it was conceptualized from ourselves and from our feet and from where we sit and from where we
06:07:48.800stand and from where our house is um as opposed to um you know seeing um you know it's like if i
06:07:57.200drive to the east i'm not going to hit jotun or if i you know go eastward from my position directly
06:08:06.400you know off the planet and into you know the cosmos it's it's again it's about planar um
06:08:14.720thresholds and what these planar thresholds mean and what the powers and the dominions that derive
06:08:22.160from there. The gods are above and they derive their power and dominion down into the middle
06:08:28.160world. The Jotunar in the east and they derive their power into us in a westward motion. The
06:08:36.160Vanir in the west and they derive their power easterly into creation. And so all of these1.00
06:08:42.960things are, I think, really important and get lost when people try to diagram or perhaps
06:18:41.360The collective unconscious, the closest thing that I think we could call that is our folk soul.
06:18:53.200And that incorporates past, present, and future to a degree that's really hard to express.0.93
06:19:05.580but mimir is a door to that collected folk memory
06:19:11.880um or his head rather is a door to that collected folk memory that that the all-father can consult
06:19:21.540um and with that uh swan if you would like to carry on with our next stanza please yeah i and
06:19:33.820And I'm working currently, while we're actually going forward, I'm still looking back on stanza 46, so I might be interjecting a little bit because, again, the translation in Fearquake, All Who on Hell's Roads Are, really bothers me because that's not what is said.
06:19:53.880You know, what is said is that Odin measures what is happening, and Mimir shakes.
06:20:03.020So, and another thing, too, is he says, you know, fast-moving, or fast-move the sons of Mim, but it's more or less contextualized that the sons of Mim are playing, or as perhaps, like, again,
06:20:19.080the inevitable is coming true. The song of the inevitable, the doom that is coming is playing
06:20:30.380out. And so I just, that's really vexing me in a way. And so I'm still poking at some of these
06:20:41.700things and it's worth noting like for me a lot of my translational stuff comes um you know it's
06:20:50.060it's like i don't i haven't memorized the adas and or or even the volaspout like just i haven't
06:20:56.120memorized it in old norse so a lot of it is about kind of picking it apart looking at it looking at
06:21:02.500different meanings and perhaps what they could mean whether it's modern icelandic whether it's
06:21:07.280old icelandic or whether it's old norse so a lot of that is kind of that that picking apart i don't
06:21:13.140like to say certain things are what they mean unless i can kind of also get the grip of their
06:21:20.840context because again sometimes you know uh the a simple name could have different context in
06:21:31.060relation to the stanza so you know i i'm still picking it apart and i'm you know trying again
06:21:39.140to give the best form of um i guess laying it out for people like a buffet for people to read into
06:21:50.480to study to go back and look and say okay well i can kind of see it like this or perhaps bellows
06:21:56.140translation is slightly different uh in this way than obviously like hollanders you know and so on
06:22:03.140and so forth because that's really what i think our place uh as gothar and as the afa have always
06:22:10.720done is we have looked at all of the translations laid them out and pondered them instead of simply
06:22:17.460saying this is the translation of this and this is the translation of that because when you do that
06:22:26.060you end up not fully contextualizing things or, you know, in reality, I see a lot of people just
06:22:32.280make things up or leave things gray on purpose without any, you know, idea of it. Again,
06:22:40.400a perfect example of that is people that translate the people of the wolf as to being
06:22:49.560Heimdall. That was a big one for me where that, that translation was so glaringly kind of like
06:22:55.740a stubbed toe that i i was like oh and people don't they'll take that for the value that it is
06:23:04.240they'll see it it's written down oh that makes or that makes sense to them because they don't
06:23:09.180have anything to contextualize it with it's not laid out before them and they accept it they eat
06:23:13.600it down and it's probably very wrong so that's why if anybody's wondering why we're i'm laying
06:23:21.340these out in kind of multiple angles is because that's what I want people to understand is that
06:23:25.840we see our gods as the gods living and working and moving as they do. And that our stories are
06:23:32.280kind of, again, seen from the angles of many different translations and our understanding
06:23:39.080of old Norse in and of itself, which can be shaky at times. So we're in, you know, we're in 51.
06:23:51.340um so this is an interesting one too so he says over the sea from the east there sails a ship
06:24:04.220and i was looking at this translation too the the word cure if anybody's following along or oh i
06:24:10.940don't i don't think we mentioned that they can't follow along oh we did this episode um yeah we
06:24:18.140had the visual thing breaking down nick if you could post the uh link to the version that we're
06:24:27.740we're reading this on so folks can follow along if they'd like and yeah that's the reason why we
06:24:35.900had the ability to do it from the internet if they wanted to or from their you know tablet
06:24:40.860while they're listening of course people i think that are listening strictly with audio or
06:24:48.140you know, left at a slight disadvantage.
06:25:02.820We just happen to have a really convenient website
06:25:05.360with the exact screen that Svon and I are looking on.
06:25:18.140So, um, yeah, it's, it's, uh, over the sea from the east, there sails a ship and the, the ship is, is, is just a ship. It's not a specific ship. It is, you know, a kheol is a ship. So, uh, a ship fares from the east and comes the sons of musbels.
06:25:45.140Now, this is, again, another interesting thing, because I wonder in relation to, we know that Snorri talks about the south and the coming of the sons of Muspel, and they're coming from Muspelheim, but again, they're referencing to the Jotuns as also being the sons of Muspel, or that in relation, which is why a lot of people don't know what Muspel means,
06:26:12.740but correlate it to destruction or, or perhaps fiery destruction or, or what have you. And if
06:26:19.980this is the word muspels, then, you know, this could be seen as like from the east, the ship0.92
06:26:24.220flows and there comes, um, you know, the, the, the sons of destruction, but it is worth noting
06:26:31.340that in all of these cases, we see the moving through Midgar is in the form of a ship.
06:26:39.180so again rivers and we talked about this before is that rivers are always kind of
06:26:46.620liminal space between planar um thresholds and so every river that's mentioned in the stories
06:26:55.980is kind of seen as a as a either a threshold within the world of or the plain or between
06:27:03.460the plains we see that with gil in between the the land of the living in the land of the dead
06:27:09.120We see that again with, oh crap, the name of the river alludes me, but in Harbarðr's tale, the river that he's crossing between Jotunheim and heaven.
06:27:25.480But then there is clearly like the river Thund in heaven is a threshold between Valhall and the other realms of Ausgard.
06:27:36.760So rivers always represent that liminal force space.
06:27:41.860And from the east a boat comes, and from underneath a boat comes, the must-spell are faring, you know, through vessels, transferring between hard realms through a liquid.
06:27:58.740And I think that that's another reason why, you know, when we talk about like holy spaces where people walk over bridges is a kind of reemphasizing of this.
06:28:10.380So, um, a ship from the east sails, um, you know, with, with the sons, with the, uh, of, of Muspel. At the helm stands Loki. After the wolf do wild men follow. And with them, the brother of Baylist, Baylist goes.
06:28:35.720so uh or bilist um so there's a couple things there i think ultimately perhaps the angling of
06:28:45.060it uh of the sons of muspel and the the jotuns of the east and all of this is kind of being
06:28:51.060laid before as again coalescing towards the center but i i i really do like the uh after
06:29:00.940um you know after the wolf all of all of his of the powers with him go and i think that's
06:29:11.540again referencing to the the the varker of the underworld of the the chaotic elements of the
06:29:18.880of the east or of jotunheim or the place of dissipation everything is following in after
06:29:24.720these great kind of focused points and another thing about this is Bailey's brother uh Bailey's
06:29:32.960is again an unknown factor in relation to Loki and a most uh you know I think a lot of people
06:29:44.560that are familiar with the lore will say oh yeah you know there's there's Loki's father is
06:29:48.800the far biter or one that might again like in reference to an arrow sailing over and kind of
06:29:55.940hitting something um i've heard people speculate too that that uh you know uh that far bauti
06:30:04.040could be in reference to like a comet or something of that nature but there's no like specifics that
06:30:10.780could be laid down or pointed at um and then of course laufi the the uh island the leafy or or
06:30:20.680the place that is leafy but then there's mention of two brothers that loki has but there's never
06:30:27.140any real letting into it and again these fragments part of the the corralling of the poems leaves us
06:30:35.920with many unanswered questions in relation to perhaps other stories uh be list and hell blindy
06:30:43.200are two beings mentioned as being connected to or like siblings of um loki and the only reason
06:30:52.080why we know this is because the reference to loki is through this kenning bailey's brother
06:30:59.760Now, the possibility of there being perhaps another reference that this, like, because they already mentioned that at the helm there is Loki, and generally translations, people believe that Biles' brother is Loki, but could they be also referring to Helblindi?
06:31:20.800it's again one of those um kind of you know roads into the water um where we may not ever get the
06:31:32.560connection point and i that's one of the most frustrating frustrating things about
06:31:39.000um the lore is like well who is beely's brother oh most people equate it to loki but they've
06:31:46.260mentioned Loki as being at the head. So, uh, you know, is, is this a reference elsewhere or perhaps
06:31:55.520to hellblending? We don't know. So even though it clearly states from the East, you know, the
06:32:02.760comes, the sons of Muspel, Sirt from the South fares forth, um, with the scourge of branches.0.95
06:32:11.520And, of course, this is a kenning for fire and flame.0.86
06:32:24.240So we have here the son of the battle gods shown from his sword.
06:32:36.800I think what they're, the translation is misplaced in the idea that they're talking about the skeins of light that shine from, or the spark of Muspel, the flames of Muspel shine forth in skeins of light from his sword or from his weapon.
06:32:57.480And they liken his sword to like a beam of the sun.
06:33:02.140And again, I think that parallels to the usage of the idea that the sun is a spark of Muspel
06:33:11.820And that the dominion over that spark is placed upon a divine power
06:33:16.940That holds that arcing order in the world
06:33:45.720the crags are sundered, the giant women sink.
06:33:52.480the the uh the dead throng hell way and heaven is cloven and i really love that line um
06:34:06.440it's it's such a powerful line in the idea of what we're talking about
06:34:13.120is that the the mountains of heaven are shaken that the the nornir in essence
06:34:22.320are drawing in the road to hell is is breached and so the below and the above are both kind of
06:34:32.680in a way met and um the the clovenness of heaven is such a powerful thing and in in the in the
06:34:44.760uh, translation of 52, it says in him in klovnar. And so again, I want to reemphasize to a lot of
06:34:52.460the folks that might not realize that heaven is a Germanic word. It is a German word. It is not
06:34:58.040in Aramaic. It is not in Hebrew. It is, uh, it is our word, if you will. Um, and so a lot of people,
06:35:07.340you know, definitely get caught up on that. Like they do the word church. Um, and you know,
06:35:13.300even though we could clearly talk about the circle or, or the Greek, you know,
06:35:17.180usage of the word heaven is ours and it is quite clear. So, um, uh,
06:35:24.260you know, as below is above, everything is cloven open.
06:35:29.620And so, okay, this is an interesting one here. Uh,
06:35:33.920anybody that is familiar with the Alcenier at length of all the goddesses and,
06:35:39.820um, we, we clearly have a reference to,
06:35:43.300Hlyn. And it says, now comes to Hlyn yet another hurt. And a lot of people have always correlated Hlyn directly to Frigg. And that's where a lot of the hypostasis idea comes from.
06:36:01.340Perhaps Frigg is Hlyn and Frigg is Saga and Frigg is so on and so forth, but I would say it's worth noting that what Hlyn is, is an ausenior directly in correlation to the protection of those that Frigg is beloved.
06:36:26.140She loves and cares for, and Hlyn then is the arbiter of that protection. And so the sorrow of Hlyn would be that one of the beloved of her lady, Frigg, is doomed now.
06:36:45.940And so I think it would be worth stating that it could simply be just as it is, and that there's no reason to try to correlate these two and get confused. It's just understanding the Alseñir.
06:36:57.100I think that the Alseñir, when we talk about the goddesses and we talk about the two major goddesses, absolutely and clearly, unshakably, are Freyga and Freyja.
06:37:09.360And when we talk about the Alseñir in relation to, like, say, Sauga and Sjolven and Ljolven and Var and Vor, these Alseñir are kind of, again, correlated in as a, seen as kind of a court or seen as kind of as a, perhaps, spokes in a wheel.
06:37:36.200where, you know, Frigga is kind of at center
06:37:42.340because a lot of the motion that Frigga has in the world,
06:37:45.580or she's of stasis, but the motion around her
06:38:03.780This, of course, is referencing to Lord Frey, as he has been referred to as the Slayer of Beli, seeks out Surt.
06:38:16.000And so these two are kind of, again, correlating the end dooming and connection points.
06:38:24.160And so Odin fares forth to fight the wolf, and Frey fares forth to fight Surt.
06:38:31.500And if you take things quite literally, you would be like, well, why are those two mentioned as being the hurt of Hlynne? And I think it's just simply noting that the protection and the charge of the beloved of Frigg is about to meet the doom. And that is yet another hurt.
06:38:49.120and i think that when we're talking about yet another we're talking about balder balder is
06:38:55.760of course clean is you know in charge of in the protection of of him as beloved of frigga and now
06:39:02.880to another hurt is to come and then you know again the the addition of lord fray
06:39:10.160fighting cert is again doesn't quite correlate but uh there must fall the joy of frig which is
06:39:17.760of course, Lord Odin is the joy of Frigg. So, uh, 53 is, I think a lot of people read into it too
06:39:26.440much, but it's an understanding of poetics and the addition of, and Bedley's fair slayer seeks
06:39:33.780out Cirque is, is again, an, an addition that throws a lot of people off. If you look at line
06:39:39.620one, line two, and line four in, in stanza 53, they're all in correlation to Odin. And I've
06:39:46.800often wondered was this an interjection was this something that during the compiling of the poem
06:39:54.120it was added in order to create the correct you know like meter um because it just kind of sticks
06:40:01.960out um but you know that's again perhaps that was just something that at the time and understanding
06:40:12.200with Snorri's translations and with the compiling of, of all of the adas at that time, you know,
06:40:18.960we're talking, um, about 150 years after Iceland is converted. So there is a lot that can happen
06:40:29.120in those translations and it's, you know, just worth considering. Um, so in stanza 54, then comes
06:40:37.540Sigfather's mighty son, Vidar, to fight the foaming wolf. In the giant sun does he thrust
06:40:48.420his sword. Full to the heart, his father avenged. So the, um, the, the usage of the sword,
06:41:02.180The usage of, you know, again, the avengement of, and in the giant sun, the understanding of who that exactly is, is the Jotunar, or the Jotunborn Loki, who is the son of his father, Faurbaut.
06:41:24.720So this is Fenris, or this is the chaos wolf that is being avenged by Vidar, who has come to finally commit to his correct action and bringing that.
06:41:40.080So, you know, we talk about the meetings of these one-for-ones in the Voluspao, and there are, of course, gleanings and other poetics, but here it's pretty much just, you know, straightforward.
06:41:56.380In 55, the translation here is truly, again, kind of, you know, interesting.
06:42:36.480um the the bright snake gapes to heaven above um against the serpent goes oh then son
06:42:47.940and this one is uh is again still draws a great amount of um you know uh question as far as um
06:42:57.860where we go. And a lot of people reference the Haukbok, Hauksbok, in which this stanza doesn't
06:43:07.260even exist. It's not placed within there. Clothing, of course, too, is another, you know,
06:43:18.700word for jorth. So again, I think the reference there is that Bellows is trying to say the
06:43:27.820This is Thor coming forth, but he doesn't say like the son of the sick father. He says the son of the earth.
06:43:38.760And again, we, you know, we talk about that quite often with Lord Thor as he is the primogen of natural order and I mean, natural law and cosmic order.
06:43:52.660He is the exact birthing point of those two powers that makes him different than, say, perhaps any of the other children beget between from the earth is that he is of the earth in the sky specifically.
06:44:09.580And that's why at the mural at Thorshof, he is wearing red and gold in his chest with a blue cape, again, fire and light and the air.
06:44:22.880And then his leggings and his wraps are brown and green, excuse me, and blue, representing the earth and the water.
06:44:34.020And so he is the coalescence of the two.
06:44:36.620so Thor now steps forth um to meet his doom against the serpent
06:44:45.960and it's also worth noting too in 54 um that uh that he doesn't talk about the uh again the
06:45:01.660the referencing of bringing up that garmer cries out again at neep at neeper neepa's cave or neepa
06:45:09.100heller uh some people say just neepa's cave or neepa's chasm or or neepa's gate um but it's the
06:45:17.340you know the underworld and that one that part is repeated so if you're looking at 54 and it says
06:45:23.020you know uh uh it's that repeated stanza and he doesn't include it in the english
06:45:34.940um translation but cries out garm from nipples nipa nipa's cave
06:45:40.780so i don't know if you want to uh take questions or we keep so we don't really
06:45:54.780have any questions that have come about so far from the text i think that
06:45:59.020you know maybe some of the poetic expressions of these things are unfamiliar or confusing but i
06:46:07.260I think most people understand what's going on here.
06:46:13.200Most people understand and are of our audience
06:57:00.240roca true or vana true or all these different little things to make themselves a special
06:57:06.440snowflake no we first accept this is our reality and then from that place of understanding
06:57:16.500we choose to stand loyally with the icer and that's that is a fundamental to our practice
06:57:24.620you mentioning that and just um again i you know the rampantness versus the tangibility
06:57:37.780of ideals the rampantness of people to like edge lord the edge lording of edge lords like
06:57:45.140they were seeking these kind of like finite and brittle crusts in order to establish themselves
06:57:53.660as being some pioneers of of ideals um and i really think that that was ultimately
06:57:59.700you could see uh especially when in relation to people claiming that they were loyal to the
06:58:07.580or the yotnar or rock a true or whatever that the hell they they want to call themselves is that
06:58:14.460you know in reality they they're applying this concept that i i started to see in the early
06:58:22.320like 2000s 2006 2007 is the idea of like the germanic ideals of heroism the aryan ideals
06:58:31.360of divine heroism and nobility were being rejected and that it was the yotnar who were0.99
06:58:38.220actually the kind of misunderstood and that and that the the gods were just chad jerks like you0.98
06:58:44.420know uh bullying or being or or what have you that that was a clear thing that was something
06:58:51.360that absolutely even though it wasn't said outright was was clearly being leveled these um
06:58:59.120these people are basically saying that their world view is is that the gods of order which
06:59:03.840they don't really truly see them as or believe in them are you know the bullies of the of the
06:59:10.560thing and the misunderstood and so you clearly see they're really just painting a kind of world
06:59:15.440view or a philosophy that they have upon the gods and that is you know in pious and it's
06:59:23.760it's highest form of just i can't even like conceptualize around it again i have seen worse
06:59:31.600in illustration but that's pretty bad just in i guess living your your your convictions out loud
06:59:40.000These people are basically stating that. And what hubris to be able to live in a world where, you know, if the sky was to quake above them, it would clearly shake them to their core.
06:59:55.820But when they're at home and they're in their armchairs, they can, you know, state like, oh, well, the gods are really like the bullies of the whole thing.
07:00:03.620The Jotunar are misunderstood. It's kind of the obliviousness of being so disconnected from natural law and cosmic order at the height.
07:00:17.980And I think that the, I think that the Jotunar revel in that ignorance. They revel in that, um, their inability to kind of ground themselves in the divine measurement in which the gods have stated and placed before us.0.98
07:00:33.900And, you know, again, if you that you are a supporter of that disillusion, if you're a supporter of that cosmic kind of chaos, you are not Ausatru and you are, in essence, kind of feeding into the overall.0.76
07:00:49.580And I think that also came about with a lot of the blanket caveat was that, according to the lore, Snorty was just Christianizing things.
07:00:59.500And again, I spoke about that in the last episode is that that is not, I think, a correct path for any of us to follow is understanding that our ancestors did see, you know, a darkness and a light.
07:01:13.880there was a gold and an, and an evil. There was good and evil. There was, you know, him and yeah
07:01:20.600and hell. And it was just that, yes, perhaps there is Christianization in context,0.81
07:01:27.400but it's not being made up as in like, there's an absence of it. It's just that he's changing
07:01:33.240the context. We still have those, those points and references. They, so these people were just
07:01:41.720basically creating, you know, caveat arguments in order to get out and do what they wanted
07:01:47.160to do. I'm sorry. I'm reading some of the comments corroborated by Tumblr. What a terrible
07:01:58.160place. Yes. Uh, that, that, that was what I was speaking of in relation to the blasphemy
07:02:02.960of, uh, and I'll use that word. Cause I just, not because it's ours, but because it's worth
07:02:08.620it. It's, it's, uh, the, the, uh, terrible pictures of, um, the Aosa being like utilized
07:02:18.200for political jargons. Um, Sif wearing a hijab was probably the most, um, uh, just enraging1.00
07:02:30.880to see, um, as if that was in, or in some case, you know, because our hair was cut off0.96
07:04:27.920So, moving on from that, I'm ranting, if you will.
07:04:38.900No, no, you're fine. It's absurd, and we don't...
07:04:49.900By rejecting the foreign faith of Christianity and rejecting its mythos, that's one step.
07:05:02.160But if we're just transferring the same rebellious edgelord stuff, but putting a Norse coat of paint on it, it's not fixing the problem.
07:05:13.980I think a lot of our people talk about shifting our worldview, and some of that has to do
07:05:25.680with shifting our points of reference from a Judaic system of points of reference to
07:05:32.420an Arian system of points of reference, but it's much more than that.
07:05:37.920that's a step to get us into a different way of seeing the world but what takes you from
07:05:45.340something else to being also true isn't that it's that and then aligning yourself with the
07:05:52.800forces of nobility and order without that other step you're just a different flavor of
07:06:00.540degenerate edgelord with different symbols
07:06:05.420well um again a lot of the beauty of um the poetics are here in bellows translations
07:06:19.440but there's like some key points too that again kind of show up in relation to perhaps the way
07:06:26.700he translates things um so you know he says in anger smites the water of the earth
07:06:34.900forth from their homes must all men flee nine paces fares the son of fjorkin we'll get into
07:06:46.100that and slain by the serpent fearless he sinks so uh you know in 56 in in the old norse uh
07:06:56.260Now comes in might, the son of Lodh, the earth.
07:07:12.200So the earth's son of the earth and of Odin, he comes forth to meet the mighty Midgard serpent.
07:07:26.260And in Midgard's, the usage of the word Veir is really one that I like to, you know, key in on there.
07:07:36.820Is the, you know, from the might of Midgard's holiness, the Veir, the strength of the, of.
07:07:48.300So now we're talking about the, the might of the, of, of Thor against Jormungandr.
07:07:54.500And in this, I like to conceptualize some of the things as we're talking about perhaps greater cosmic ideals instead of just nitpicking on poetics is that I kind of feel when we're talking about the sun of the earth and of the sky, if we're talking about Lord Thor as his point of the, the, between natural law and cosmic order between the sky and the earth, between all of these things.
07:08:23.400I find it oftentimes worth, you know, considering the might of his being in relation to the earth as like the magnetic.
07:08:35.420Sometimes, you know, and as we know in this understanding, and I've spoken about that before,
07:08:39.020as our understanding of science kind of also helps perhaps look at myth or mythos in an interesting way,
07:08:46.460uh is is this this moment of understanding of like perhaps the magnetic pull or the currents
07:08:55.980of the of the waters in relation to each other and how these kind of come about and with our
07:09:01.540understanding of of perhaps the flows underneath the earth and the flows above the earth um we're
07:09:08.880starting to see that again the great shifting and i've often wondered about the nine paces um
07:09:14.620there's a lot of theories on it but or conceptualizations i should say not theories
07:09:21.600conceptualizations as to the nine paces the nine paces could be simply a poetic
07:09:26.500re-establishing of the holy number nine it could again also be uh seen as perhaps uh phases in
07:09:33.880which the turning of the earth and the currents are you know composed of as they move and change
07:09:42.120as this fight between Lord Thor and Jormungandr commit.
07:09:49.860Oh, I also wanted to mention that Jormungandr means the gigantic wand.
07:09:55.460Again, and this is a poetic reference to a snake not having legs.
07:10:01.320A snake not having legs, in an essence, is a gondr,
07:10:04.940But it's a turning, coiling, gigantic wand is a poetic usage of the name of the great serpent.
07:10:14.600So if we were to say the world serpent or the, you know, the mighty serpent that looses its tail, you know, it's in equivalency with English that we could say that without, you know, saying the direct translation or because that would lose its poetic meaning.
07:10:31.780But Jormungandr is oftentimes just viewed as, oh, I've heard people say like Jormungandr or Jormungandr as just a name without contextualizing its poetic meaning.
07:10:44.560but um you know i wonder often if the scalds that speak of the stories of the gods if the name of
07:10:55.780like to conceptualize the idea that what if ior mangander is a name that is is utilized for poetic
07:11:03.660meaning in the old norse but was not spoken of in direct like referencing before the understanding
07:11:13.040of the serpent is as old as um our people and the idea of then this coalescence of the warrior
07:11:20.080fighting the serpent the striker fighting the great worm it's all there but it's you know i i
07:11:28.640think it's important for us to understand that yormungandr is the old norse referencing to this
07:11:37.760force this this being this serpent the the the that are no undoubtedly our ancestors
07:11:45.520knew of spoke of and we can clearly see it through all arian mythos um as not being called
07:11:53.760is that it's like the the force is older than the name but the name is also important because
07:12:00.080it's one of the last and most beautifully poetically you know uh levied names towards
07:12:06.880this, this creature. So when people, you know, speak, I think like when they're coming into
07:12:12.780Alistair and they're speaking about the stories and they, they, oh, that, that's the serpent is
07:12:17.520Jormungandr and Jormungandr is the, you know, fights with Thor. And instead they should also
07:12:24.560kind of open up to understanding that Thor, Thunor, Thonaraz, Donner, he has, you know,
07:12:33.520many names in our variants of names in our languages but he is that mighty god who is
07:12:40.020fighting against that mighty force um and it goes past the viking age and i say that with
07:12:48.080air quotes um and it's worth you know noting that um and and again it it places itself
07:12:56.360when people try to overly translate and stick strictly to old norse without
07:13:01.020conceptualizing origin of story and where stories come from and why they were spoken they were not
07:13:10.760spoken always in poetics they were spoken as tales and then those tales you know can be
07:13:17.840formulized into meter and it's beautiful and even to the point where again it's almost semi
07:13:25.240um scripture-esque in the idea of how beautiful it's it sounded but i don't think we should
07:13:31.900overly um focus to the point where we lose origin and core and understanding again that that applies
07:13:40.340here with um the son of fjorken so fjorken is like the word yarth it is in relation to and
07:13:51.500snorty calls her a jotun we know that the goddess of the earth as according to tacitus
07:13:57.100spoke of they he calls her nerthus um and so a lot of times this correlation um is you know
07:14:07.960seen as more of a linguistic and not a hypostasis thing is that the old norse simply just called
07:14:13.500nerthus yar because it means the same thing it's the earth it's where we get the word earth from
07:14:44.940And a lot of people try to, again, hypostasis her and Frigga as being simply the same, or they need to make, again, Odin is singular sky daddy and Frigga now is singular earth mommy.
07:14:58.980And all of those iterations and the plurality of polytheism kind of starts to get washed away, even by people who claim that they're polytheists.
07:15:07.520um the uh the the idea of the usage of the word fjörkiner clearly states that he is the son of
07:15:15.800the earth and that the earth is again yard or the the the birthing of of the solid to the sky the
07:15:27.100the the above and in that case you know Odin is the sky father that's what he is the father and
07:15:33.780He is of the sky and he comes and he, you know, melds with Fjörgen or with Fjörgen or with the earth in the beginning when the battle is ensuing.
07:15:50.540So, you know, a lot of people try to conceptualize, well, no, he couldn't be with Jörg, he would have to be with Frigga.
07:15:56.920But it's it's they're trying to create marriage lines or, you know, different things and they lose context of what's going on here.
07:16:08.360As Lord Odin is dynamic and he is threefold, one of his fold comes down and impregnates the earth and the earth then gives forth the great being of fury that is Lord Thor.
07:16:22.800so um i just uh you know wanted to contextualize that there they're talking about him as the son
07:16:29.600of the earth but that kind of levies itself to be again the son of yard the son of the earth
07:16:37.380as a goddess or and as a being that is a domin the dominion of the body of emir um and that puts a
07:16:48.440lot of uh people in a tizzy um i don't know why but it's like again i think that uh when it comes
07:16:55.040to tangible bodies whether we're talking about the earth or the moon or the sun it it's very clear
07:17:02.060for us to say oh or even just let's just say people that we know like oh that's mother nature
07:17:06.620don't don't mess with mother nature but the manifestation of the elements or the earth
07:17:14.180Our ancestors saw as much like an inhabited thing, like a house, or the dominion of the earth is being formulated by Yarth.
07:17:27.740And so therefore he is of the earth through her and of the ground itself, kind of both, the spiritual and the tangible, if you will.
07:17:38.120Um, so in, in, uh, stanza, uh, 57, uh, the sun turns black, the earth sinks in the sea,
07:17:57.020the hot stars down from heaven, our world fierce grows the steam and the life feeding flame.
07:18:08.120till fire leaps high about heaven itself even the sky is on fire
07:18:15.080the um the one thing here i wanted to see is in relation to a specific word but we're talking
07:18:27.620about now that the the heavens are engulfed in flames as well in lieu of the earth because
07:18:34.020remember when we're talking about the heavenly world the center and the above and so if the earth
07:18:41.100and the world is on fire the the now the flames are reaching the place of the aloftness uh even
07:18:49.440the tree is being singed by the flames now and that's a you know that's a huge you know huge
07:18:56.740point as we're seeing movement again in reference to flames. Let me see here.
07:19:08.740I was wondering too, if you wanted to take a couple of questions.
07:19:13.620ah yes um the turning turning black so instead um yeah the the kind of dimming
07:19:24.940to turn into darkness the sun turns into the darkness um
07:19:30.220and the you know the the great power of the earth uh sinks into the waves
07:20:36.220So there's so much being kind of projected forth that the poet utilizes this as like an anchor point.
07:20:43.840So as the poet could read through the stanzas from memory in his head, he would then come back to this point.
07:20:51.880and then like okay after this verse there is this stuff that i need to finish on and perhaps this
07:20:59.580verse is kind of like a hearkening of the finish it is the final gate in which we move through
07:21:05.840in order to kind of close out the poem um and this is again it becomes uh very very quick
07:21:17.920now i do see the earth a new rise all green from the waves again uh he writes the cataracts fall
07:21:26.680and the and the eagle flies i think this is uh again the overhead all that which is blocking
07:21:35.560light and blocking the wind is kind of falls and he uses the the cataracts which i thought was
07:21:42.080truly interesting um and and fish he catches between or beneath the cliffs
07:21:50.740the eagle catches the fish so everything comes back into order the natural kind of inclination
07:22:06.940So she really jumps into kind of the destruction of all things to the immediacy of it being kind of reordered again and that things are kind of brought.
07:22:19.080I've always kind of taken this as perhaps after the great turning of this sundering, this breaking apart,
07:22:26.700that the order of the eagle catching the fish is, again, the telling of a great amount of time
07:22:36.840in which things have to work themselves back to the semblance of what we could understand as being normal.
07:22:43.460um the the gods in in uh and in um either valley in either well the gods and either of all meet
07:22:55.840together again either of all is the plane of work it's the uh place in which ausgard is built
07:23:01.880either of all is seen as kind of like the great spance it's a valley if you will um and so again
07:23:09.420referencing to the gods being in a valley in heaven either of all is that place of potential
07:23:14.780where ausgard was built i love you and uh they meet together and they speak of the of the uh
07:23:29.100the holder of the soil the holder of the earth or mold is is dirt soil um
07:23:36.860earth or ground. And so here they speak again of Jormungandr and the age before when things
07:23:50.740were settled and the mighty past they call to mind and the ancient runes of the ruler
07:24:00.380of the gods. Of course, this Fimbletir, they're referring to Lord Odin and his attainment of the
07:24:07.140runes. So in stanza 60, the gods in Ithaval meet back together. And again, it's not referencing
07:24:14.800to the sons of the gods, but I think it's understood that there are some who survive and
07:24:20.420those who do not, and that they are anew in a different way. And now the new hierarchy
07:24:27.460is is attained the you know generally we speak of the rise of balder unified again whole um
07:24:36.840with nana and that or that if you will it's like a balder and hob become one as the true form of
07:24:44.840balder and um you know he takes his stead along with all of the other gods again multiplicity
07:24:54.640And they speak of Lord Odin and his, the one who knew the way of the runes, who attained them through sacrifice.
07:26:10.180And now things are turning and that new dawn is to arise again.
07:26:15.220In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden table stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in days of old.
07:26:22.940So the remnants of the heavenly order, the remnants of all that which they built, the organization of the world, lays in ruin and they are being picked up by the new descendants of the gods.
07:26:37.320then fields unsewed bear ripened fruit all ills grow better and balder returned balder comes back
07:26:47.100there balder and hoth dwell in hrupt's battle hall in their father's hall they stand and the
07:26:57.060mighty gods all of them would you yet would you know more you know would you uh would you know
07:27:05.640yet more um here is an interesting part too i think that um one of the the points that i bring
07:27:16.780up about uh lord odin as being the the three if you will the three is one and the one is three is
07:27:24.800in here in reference to honor um and his taking of the of the prophetic wand um is the idea that
07:27:33.640Lord Odin is three, but one, and if one is, one is taken down, he is not let go. He is not
07:27:46.320destroyed in whole. Um, and so again, Connor or, uh, uh, Vili, if you will, takes up the prophetic
07:27:57.240Like wands, the understanding of the runes, if you will, the tines.
07:28:08.360And the sons of the brothers of Tveki abide in Vindheim now.