Asatru Folk Assembly - January 21, 2024


Völuspá, a stanza-by-stanza breakdown


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00:00:00.000 i wanted to have swan on to go through piece by piece the text of the edit poem the the
00:00:29.200 spell. It is, I think it is probably one of, if not the most, I guess, widely known, most popular
00:00:43.400 maybe stories in the Etta. I think it fills in a lot of foundational material for our faith
00:00:51.700 that's really important. And it's something that we could have no better person on than Svan to
00:00:59.680 help shine a light on and talk to about with you guys swan can you give people
00:01:07.760 some background on like the historical text that is the vlas bow where we find it any of
00:01:16.160 the history on it um any notes on the original language or just kind of anything folks that
00:01:22.480 may be completely unfamiliar might need to know before we go into the the actual text
00:01:29.040 Yeah. One thing to consider is, let's just start with the name, Valu. Valu is connected. It's the grammar derivative connecting it to speech or to the truth of speech.
00:01:46.880 And so the proper name for a prophetess is actually a vala, and that's how she's referred to as a vala, but the name, the title, voluspau, is the grammatical change of vala is to valu, and spau means speech or truth or prophecy is kind of what it's translated to.
00:02:13.340 But it's yeah, it's the it's very similar to in English when we talk about sooth saying and the meaning of Anglo-Saxon, the word sooth and its relation to actually telling the truth, even though now we we kind of correlate it to to like con artistry.
00:02:39.340 That's not where it comes from. And so this is the Vala's prophecy is one of the best ways to kind of look at this and to understand it. And what's going on is the way it's written, it's first worth noting that, and there isn't much of a kind of contexting.
00:03:03.540 it's more or less that the the starting of the poem is about the thular who's sitting down
00:03:11.460 who is uh speaking to the folks gathered in the hall and then it shifts over and the context then
00:03:19.580 becomes a raising of the valla from the underworld so lord odin goes into the place farthest away
00:03:31.060 from time and pulls out this being, which is not quite a human. Uh, oftentimes she's referred to
00:03:39.940 as a witch or a human. Um, but there's some hints in there that she might not actually be. She may
00:03:46.720 be of some sort of elder blood or Yotnar blood. Um, because she doesn't make mention of that,
00:03:52.520 But she is being risen with a purpose, and that purpose is to figure out Helgard is being bedecked with gold, and there is a feast being prepared.
00:04:09.900 So Odin is ultimately trying to figure out who is this being prepared for.
00:04:15.140 And the Valla, she is establishing herself initially by stating that she knows many things, great things, ancient things.
00:04:29.620 And then she switches over to explaining why the halls are being bedecked and ultimately what is to come for the gods in the writ of her doom.
00:04:46.740 It's never really stated how she comes to know this, but that she is somehow a part of that understanding.
00:04:55.640 um it's it's interesting because the context of it is is i think most important to understand
00:05:02.980 this conversation is between lord odin and and the valla and it's for a present moment but she
00:05:11.700 then presents the poem in a past present and what will come for the gods ultimately there is some
00:05:20.240 uh other interesting things and one of the things that you got to bear in mind is that
00:05:25.200 um there is a litany of dwarves and uh the dvergar and that is kind of a
00:05:33.440 a niche part uh oftentimes it's removed from translations and um or it's glossed over or
00:05:42.580 it's simply stated in parentheses this is where the litany of the dwarves comes from
00:05:46.320 there's some interesting things that are said but after that um there's no real information per se
00:05:55.040 uh interesting in some of the name meanings but i think that the ultimate purpose of the dwarven
00:06:03.640 litany uh perhaps is linking to stories that we might have lost in particular the uh the four
00:06:11.280 hearts that are in heaven that are nibbling from the tree um that there's connections to the dwarves
00:06:20.200 there, but we don't have any stories of how those connections are made. Um, but I think it's more
00:06:26.560 important that it was a practice ability for the poet to build his alliteration, um, rhyming. So
00:06:36.880 that's something worth noting. Uh, I mean, we can, we're going to look into it a little bit,
00:06:41.080 but not a ton, uh, unless people want to. And, um, uh, but I wanted to let people know that
00:06:49.120 there might be a large chunk of this that we might kind of hurdle over, at least in this first
00:06:55.420 episode. So, yes, Lord Odin is calling forth the Vala and trying to figure out what is going to
00:07:05.260 happen now that Balder, the bold one, the greatest of the gods, has been slain by his brother,
00:07:13.900 ultimately by the hand of his blood brother, which makes, of course, Loki a kinslayer.
00:07:22.120 And now he has come down and he's raising her up to figure out what's going on.
00:07:29.720 And she's establishing her prowess with history right out the gate.
00:07:37.820 All right.
00:07:38.660 to get us started on a auspicious note, Brandy just donated $20. Hail the AFA, hail victory.
00:07:46.900 Thank you, Brandy. We appreciate it. Any donations we get here tonight are going to go to a good
00:07:53.880 cause and get those things that we talked about earlier furthered. So much appreciation for it.
00:08:00.740 And Svon, with that, let's start with the first stanza.
00:08:08.860 And tonight, the plan is to go to which stanza?
00:08:15.760 25.
00:08:17.200 All right.
00:08:18.740 So for those of you following along, go ahead and get yourself ready.
00:08:25.360 And we will start with stanza one.
00:08:27.400 yeah so this part is
00:08:32.140 more importantly to be seen as an intro by the poet by the scold uh by the the speaker in the
00:08:41.760 hall and um right away it's kind of a calming of the hall to let everyone know but there's
00:08:48.780 some interesting things in here so um in the hearing i ask uh comes from the pause or to take
00:08:58.980 note uh silence is is some more of the proper translation is you know i bid ye silence
00:09:08.520 um all all these holy beings now in in bellows translation um he uniquely says from the holy
00:09:18.740 races. Um, and, and again, that just brings up interesting questions. And a lot of that about
00:09:25.260 translations is where we get, um, some interesting points. Um, and I wanted to kind of, um, play that
00:09:34.340 off of, um, and no reason for people to like scramble for this or, or what have you, but, um,
00:09:41.320 hollander the hollander translations 1928 are very interesting too uh but it's just i wanted to
00:09:50.540 make note of how translations can change things some of them can be extremely far off and then
00:09:57.460 sometimes they can hit the mark just right so um in hollander's translations it's it's hear me all
00:10:05.000 ye hallowed beings um whereas in uh bellows it's it's silence i ask all from the from the holy
00:10:14.040 races um so i thought that was really interesting uh the use of of the word kinder for races um
00:10:24.200 kinder literally is kind of like a it's not like or it's kinder it's not kinder like in german it
00:10:32.120 It means beings or people of the hall.
00:10:35.320 So silence I bid all the holy beings and the sons of Heimdall. 0.58
00:10:41.180 And I think this is really worth noting that the creation of the proto, I guess what would be like the breath of Odin in the proto-Aryan or what would be the proto-folk.
00:11:02.120 But it ultimately comes down to the most recent in the sense that in Rigstula, Heimdall comes down by generations or epochs.
00:11:15.560 And those generations breed forth what they often refer to as the slave or slave structure.
00:11:23.680 I've seen a bunch of very strange things.
00:11:26.560 The economic status of Viking Age.
00:11:29.900 Um, but it's worth noting that the, um, the people that he visits are clearly associated with time. So this generational sense, um, is important, but in this case, it may be seen as the strata of the Jarls to the Thralls is kind of how this is being used.
00:11:56.120 From Heimdall's children, both high and low, Thou will, Thou Father, that I will relate.
00:12:05.580 So by your grace or by your power, I will relate these old tales of men long ago.
00:12:12.860 And that first stanza is the announcement of the speaker and doesn't necessarily denote the shift.
00:12:27.860 a shift. Now, some people have argued that the scald continues on or that this is the
00:12:34.580 valla, but it seems far more flat than everything else that comes to follow. So I've always
00:12:46.080 taken this to be the introduction from the scald telling everyone. So, you know, silence
00:12:52.560 and I bid, hearing I ask from the holy races, from Heimdall's sons, both high and low, thou wilt,
00:13:00.040 thou father, that I relate the old tales I remember of men long ago. I remember yet the giants of
00:13:09.220 yore. This is a stanza two, who gave me bread in the days gone by. Nine worlds I knew, the nine in
00:13:18.520 the tree with mighty roots beneath the mold. So mold is an interesting word because again,
00:13:27.540 mold is ground or soil. And I would, you know, the references of using it in relation to soil.
00:13:37.900 But this is where it gets kind of interesting. So most people are speculating on the idea that
00:13:43.160 this is now the Vala speaking. Some people say it is not, or that the Vala was always speaking.
00:13:51.140 But the nine worlds, the nine places, domains, the homes of things are kind of what's really being
00:14:03.680 portrayed here. And that's, you know, I think very important when we talk about cosmology and
00:14:11.620 And we talk about the way that Ausatru formulates the worlds as like a circulatory system with the roots being the drawback and all of time disseminating from heaven and kind of flowing from the top down.
00:14:29.840 This is already kind of being used.
00:14:34.280 So the concept of the nine worlds is not something of like new Alistair or perhaps people trying to organize things.
00:14:43.120 No, this is kind of known already.
00:14:45.980 And that the tree, the tree being rooted beneath the ground.
00:14:52.120 but it's it's interesting they don't quite state but as we go you'll see um the way that clearly
00:14:59.920 our ancestors saw the tree and where the tree is in relation to things and I think nowadays
00:15:06.200 some people are kind of twisting those around um a note before we continue um Mike donated 25
00:15:16.680 dollars we appreciate that mike thank you um yeah one of the one of the cool things about this
00:15:25.720 this poem that's very special is it's really a go-to in a lot of ways for
00:15:33.960 the
00:15:38.680 it's the quickest go-to for the the laying out of our cosmology of
00:15:43.320 of getting you very quickly into the mythic realm of understanding those cosmological
00:15:55.420 components that make up Ausitru and that give context to everything else.
00:16:00.800 So I think this one has gone back to very often because it's very important that way.
00:16:07.840 It paints this picture in a way that was very easily accessible to our ancestors.
00:16:14.020 And I think is, of what we have, the easiest for us to access and conceptualize.
00:16:25.480 And it's great because the tangible works of the origination of Ausatru kind of was
00:16:36.300 presented in organizing things kind of in a strata of the worlds. And sometimes I'm sure a lot of
00:16:44.160 people that have been asked for a long time are familiar with the idea of cosmology being kind of
00:16:50.460 placed in a set kind of way. And these are really brought about from the poems, the stories,
00:16:59.900 the placement of things and the words in which things are said are important because they also
00:17:07.100 denote ancient concepts that are present in all Arian faiths. The upper world, that middle world,
00:17:14.280 the lower world, some of the worlds are kind of intermediary. And then we have like the world of
00:17:20.960 the West and the world of the East. And we're going to get into here just some of the ideas of
00:17:26.620 like how directions are correlated with understanding
00:17:32.940 or meaning, especially in relation to the audience.
00:17:37.380 And it goes, for many of us, it goes without saying,
00:17:42.560 but I think it's important just as we're starting out
00:17:46.680 for everyone to understand the language of poetry
00:17:51.680 The language of poetry and the language of myth is to liken things to things that we're already familiar with and to express things in a way that we can visualize truth, but not intended in a literal way.
00:18:12.560 in the same sense that you know you can't go to the edge of each of these nine worlds
00:18:17.680 and grab the bark of a tree that you somehow you know what kind of tree is it can you take 0.90
00:18:24.180 a sapling from it and as silly as as silly as that sounds up front I have met people 0.82
00:18:30.500 who one of specifically Mandy and I had dinner with a person one time his 0.80
00:18:37.600 his like re-understanding of things is you know he found some really ancient
00:18:47.020 mesas in the desert that kind of look like the trunk of a tree but like super duper giant size
00:18:54.800 I think some of us have seen those things like ah maybe that's the you know maybe something like
00:19:02.520 that is what the you know what yggdrasil was they're looking and it's easy to see that level
00:19:12.280 of literalism as being really silly from a distance and in a way it is but if your context
00:19:20.360 is the abrahamic faiths that are built upon literal translation of of their sacred texts
00:19:29.380 if that's the demand then out of piety to our gods you you flail in your scramble to try to
00:19:38.560 make impossible things possible so the lore can literally be accurate and i appreciate the effort
00:19:46.860 put in on that but that's it's unnecessary and it was never the intention and that's a
00:19:52.060 The need for it to be an exact, literal truth from the lips of Odin that this is how things are, that's a foreign concept, and that's not how our lore is.
00:20:05.700 And honestly, I think that's a beautiful element of our work because it expresses things in a fundamentally relevant way that is geared intrinsically and genetically to our people and how our people see and understand the world around them with their points of, you know, their touchstones of commonality and things that make sense to them.
00:20:33.800 And of how they conceive things and how they shape things. And it paints cosmic and mythic truths in a style familiar to us and to our soul that speaks, you know, beyond just mental, you know, analytical comprehension, but it speaks on an artistic level that appeals to, you know, to our folk soul.
00:20:59.940 yeah i think um i've seen one other thing that was kind of caught my eye was um and this of
00:21:10.400 course is on uh twitter or x but there was some some guys uh kind of going for the uh not that
00:21:16.960 myths are literal but that lit that the that there is literalism of the myths and so what
00:21:27.480 they ended up saying was like that our disconnection to mythos comes from our inability to conceptualize
00:21:36.520 um i guess the the magical sight of things and and i kind of see where they're going with this
00:21:44.940 but they were like no the tree is there and it's it it loses a lot of the point i think like
00:21:53.320 a lot of things that we when we dissect Aryan faith from all different branches are lost like
00:22:01.140 perfect example is um the the point and placement of Mount Olympus in the Hellenics
00:22:08.200 and and how the mountain itself is utilized as kind of a an axis mundi whereas for the
00:22:17.520 germanic and the norse uh or let's just say germanic may have been the erminsul as a kind
00:22:23.940 of posting or central point of the council of the gods around the pole um or the central axis of the
00:22:31.700 world uh perhaps even holding up the gods or the heavenly realms and then of course the nordic was
00:22:37.900 the tree so there's a lot of shifting around and people if they take things literally lose a lot
00:22:45.180 of insight towards what it means to even have an axis money. What does it mean that Aryan faiths
00:22:52.880 have a central point? And the interesting thing, again, is, is it in the middle world? Is it in
00:22:59.800 the upper world? It's certainly not in the lower world. That's, that's pretty clear all across the
00:23:05.380 board. Um, but it's just, it makes an interesting point and you lose that if you just simply say,
00:23:12.400 uh you know the the myths are uh not literal but that they are that we are literally to believe
00:23:22.600 them to be literal it was kind of an interesting thing it was it was kind of like no this is there
00:23:27.820 are no allegoric meanings the myths are true but beyond the confines of material thought
00:23:37.900 so reading the chat wolf throne no worries we are only on stanza two so we have just finished
00:23:45.440 a lot of it was just me doing some shop talk about fundraisers and stuff at the top of the
00:23:54.200 year so no worries um oh also i just want to acknowledge a 21 donation from charlie thank
00:24:02.320 you charlie we appreciate you guys i appreciate everybody tonight and everybody who wants to
00:24:07.000 chip in and help out. You guys are great. It's y'all's generosity that allows these things to
00:24:12.240 get done. Something I think, and we'll kind of stop and interject and we'll find our flow as
00:24:21.500 this goes on and we continue, but something else that I think is important to,
00:24:27.180 I don't know, inject early on when we're talking about
00:24:30.880 the need or lack thereof to force literality or to force um
00:24:40.840 yeah to force
00:24:44.380 things that aren't intended because of someone else's model one of the things that
00:24:51.820 many of us learn and that's most appealing to us about also true is it's not
00:24:56.860 you don't have to do the mental gymnastics you're not trying to force a square peg into a round hole
00:25:07.300 also true is literally you sliding a square peg nicely into the square hole that it is built for
00:25:18.640 it fits and it all works and you don't have to twist your head in some there is a fundamental
00:25:27.340 struggle that I think is responsible for a lot of the angst a lot of the ennui perhaps of our folk
00:25:40.340 when we try out of piety, out of wanting to do the right thing,
00:25:46.800 to force our folk soul to conform to a foreign model.
00:25:58.000 And it's led to all kinds of metastasism in behavior, in our souls, 0.77
00:26:05.800 in really strange and often very ugly ways, but out of really noble intent of trying to do the
00:26:17.020 right thing. One of the most freeing and most liberating things about Ausitru
00:26:22.120 is you don't have to do that. You're coming home to your gods. You're coming home to something
00:26:28.000 that fits um it's not that hard and you will find that people try to over complicate it and make it
00:26:37.280 hard something that is fundamentally true about our mythos our gods and our faith
00:26:44.880 it is very very easy to comprehend for our folk but it's layered there's countless layers of
00:26:54.160 depth behind it to where you can delve deeper and evolve and expand spiritually but the fundamental
00:27:01.280 most basic understanding of it is clear as day and it's clear to people that you know don't have
00:27:07.520 to be well educated don't have to be well advanced in years just have to be open-hearted open-minded
00:27:16.800 and have a sincere desire to come home to our faith and uh it lays it out it it lays
00:27:24.160 itself before you in a very accessible way but also very beautiful way
00:27:32.240 yeah i wanted to comment on um one of the things is that the these these poems are constructed
00:27:41.040 by Icelandic poets who were attempting to make sure that the poetry structure was not going to
00:27:52.240 die as there was more influx of foreign ideals, foreign motivations in Iceland. And I think at
00:28:02.780 the same time, it was also a great leaning towards the desire to show the intricacies of poetry and
00:28:09.940 how they compared to other european branches um but also they were formulating them in poetic
00:28:19.080 styles so these are stories first that become poems and the poems make them cryptic one of
00:28:29.900 the things that's you know the stories and how they formulated uh i imagine too is before they
00:28:37.460 were strictly poetic is that at some point the poetic formulation started to come about long
00:28:44.160 before writing and um they were memorized in this way through a literative sense but they were still
00:28:50.920 uh adaptable and i think that after this this was an attempt to make things solid and um
00:29:00.120 but there was other reasons so this isn't a bible this isn't a like you said there
00:29:05.900 Lord O'then coming down and transcribing or speaking the word, this singular truth.
00:29:12.480 It's not that way.
00:29:13.880 These are kind of known as, when I'm reading this, it's that this is a kind of a culmination of many, many years of poetry.
00:29:24.560 And before that, many, many years of storytelling.
00:29:28.300 And that makes it interesting.
00:29:29.280 So following over in the chat on the side, and again, I know we're spending a long time on the first two here, but we're laying some really important foundations, I think.
00:29:38.020 Rome age 14 makes the point that the myths are symbolism, but the gods are real.
00:29:44.380 Those two concepts aren't some kind of juxtaposition.
00:29:49.120 They're not in opposition.
00:29:50.340 and we are again through foreign influence and through over emphasis on scholasticism i think
00:30:00.840 that we we have turned the word myth into almost meaning untruth like something oh that's just a
00:30:13.300 myth as in it's not true that's not the case at all i think the myths in a lot of ways are more
00:30:19.360 true than facts. Because scientific facts change over time. And like truth doesn't, but scientific
00:30:30.320 facts are one way of expressing truth. And the depth and breadth of those facts do change and
00:30:36.660 evolve over time as our understanding increases. Mythic truth, the myths are true. They were true
00:30:44.360 when they were first realized by our ancestors through inspiration from our gods. They were
00:30:52.480 realized when they were first put into primal utterance and they're first put to paper. They're
00:30:58.300 equally true today. They will be equally true when we can, you know, transmit them telepathically to
00:31:05.420 one another. The myths themselves are true. And this is a beautiful way of painting those myths
00:31:12.820 for our folk, but there's not a contradiction between the word myth and truth. Myths are the
00:31:19.560 greatest truth. The gods are absolutely real. Don't get anything I'm saying wrong. Just because
00:31:24.400 I said you couldn't go out and like physically touch the bark of the world tree. No, Yggdrasil
00:31:33.260 absolutely exists. It's just not like a birch tree out in your front yard. That is a way of
00:31:40.140 helping you understand the truth of Yggdrasil.
00:31:43.540 The nine worlds exist,
00:31:45.600 the way they are drawn in the poetry
00:31:47.520 is a way to help you conceptualize
00:31:49.560 what their existence looks like, how to conceive that.
00:31:56.120 But no, everything in our myths is absolutely true.
00:32:01.540 The picture that is drawn to explain the truth
00:32:05.180 is not a literal representation of the reality.
00:32:08.000 It is a tool to help you conceive of the deeper truths that our myths are.
00:32:13.440 And if that sounds odd, just please bear with us.
00:32:16.680 It will make more sense as we go on, hopefully.
00:32:25.040 So I want to go more into that, but I'll go more into it later, maybe in a couple stanzas.
00:32:31.880 But there was something you said in there, too, that I think is really interesting.
00:32:34.720 But we can bring that up in just a second.
00:32:39.240 So while we got it, Chris Lukat, $10.
00:32:42.720 Thank you so much, Chris.
00:32:43.920 We appreciate you.
00:32:45.480 Swan, without further ado, can you read stanza three for us?
00:32:51.140 Yeah, of the old age when Ymir, Ymir lived.
00:32:57.820 Sea nor cool waves nor sand there were. 0.82
00:33:02.140 Earth had not been nor heaven above.
00:33:04.720 But a yawning gap and grass nowhere.
00:33:12.080 Yeah, this is the starting of an understanding.
00:33:18.420 We know that in order for a gap to be, there has to be two sides.
00:33:24.140 So the idea is that Mosbelheim and Nibelheim are those two edging gaps between, but they're the two sides. The gap in between is the nothingness, the expanding expanse.
00:33:42.460 And in this case, what is most referenced to is how things are coming to being and or spreading apart. And it's really just emphasizing again, in the ages old, where Ymir dwelled in the gap, there was nothing.
00:34:04.500 There was just the proto, it was Ymir, it was Yggdrasil. So oftentimes in the stories when I tell my stories, I talk about Yggdrasil and Ymir in the mist of the middle or the gap of the middle.
00:34:23.920 As the mists from Nivelheim or the water and the torrents of ice and primordial is heated by the heat of cosmic creation or radiation, if we want to go in that interesting perspective, is that that's what creates the matter in the middle.
00:34:46.260 And that matter in the middle formulates into Ymir and Yggdrasil and ultimately Adumla.
00:34:56.280 And there we have our first tripartite, which is something that I continually bang on there.
00:35:04.040 But yeah, so of the old age, when Ymir lived, sea nor cool waves, nor sand there was, earth had not been, nor heaven above, but a yawning gap and grass nowhere. 0.55
00:35:16.260 Um, and then the Vala kind of cuts immediately to, um, the raising of the land, the, the lifting of 0.69
00:35:28.000 the, of the, um, of the soil of the earth or the flesh of Ymir. She doesn't go into, uh, the slaying 0.74
00:35:37.800 or of of um the specifics she just kind of sets it immediately boars or burr suns um then burr's
00:35:48.560 suns lifted um the level land in midgard the the mighty uh they there they made the sun from the
00:35:57.760 south it warmed the stones of the earth green was the ground with growing leaks and this again is
00:36:05.960 establishment of all of the the slaying of emir and all of that which comes to be the torrents
00:36:17.120 of the blood the the formula formulating uh the stones from from teeth these are covered like in
00:36:23.720 the gilfagining but in this poem it's already known that the the audience would be familiar
00:36:31.780 with these, with these concepts. So it's being quite matter of factly placed out there.
00:36:41.700 I wanted to say a word on Ginnungagab for a second.
00:36:50.780 There's some, I don't know, scholarly debate on a little bit of the etymology,
00:36:56.380 But the prefix of gin in ginungagap is often used as a prefix that relates things to the gods or holiness or magical might.
00:37:15.920 And so, yes, it's a yawning void, but it has the implication that it's containing magical essence, containing the magical potentiality for things.
00:37:34.040 And this concept we'll harken back to at different times, but the idea of the primal wellspring of existence and of creation being a source of creative magic, a source of creative holiness that goes into the animation of our universe with might of magic and with art.
00:38:04.040 holiness uh it's also worth noting just going back to that part um the the yawning or the the
00:38:13.740 great potential of it is separated in the translation the gap that is of like of a yawning
00:38:21.520 potential or or or a a sense of something to come or or that which is moving apart and that things
00:38:30.220 are welling up within it um but there's also another part too that and this was from a
00:38:34.880 conversation a long time ago uh the in the nor in heaven above the word heaven most people might
00:38:41.800 think the translation shows um some sense that heaven is like a christian word it is not the
00:38:49.700 Nordic word is him or him in, but in old or in old English, it's, it's he oven. And so they have
00:39:00.780 the same root. The word heaven is a Germanic word, just like the word God, just like the word hell,
00:39:07.160 all of these things. So I remember someone saying, you know, I kind of bristle every time you say
00:39:11.600 heaven, why are you saying heaven? And I was like, because it's, it's our word. I'm, uh, you know,
00:39:16.600 i'm not trying to say like oh we're taking it back it's just that like so many other things uh when
00:39:22.480 we get into the fact that the bible is you know was written and utilized with middle english and
00:39:28.860 and at that time we still have to understand that the poems as they're being translated
00:39:35.400 are they you they're using older english words sometimes they're doing that uh other times
00:39:43.500 they're not, but, uh, you know, they're, they're utilizing that in relation. So you find the
00:39:48.600 commonality in there. Um, just considering about when those times were, how they were speaking or
00:39:54.880 what they were attempting to translate to, because there's ideals, these, uh, stories of
00:40:00.060 translations are coming around the late 1800s, early 1900s being formulized into English and
00:40:05.500 to german and again middle english is already an older form and but you can find better translations
00:40:14.300 with certain things like thou and and and thus even though they're not in common usage anymore
00:40:19.820 so i just wanted to bring that up him and him and yeah heaven the upward heaven and again very
00:40:26.300 important in understanding the the ground in which we stand upon and the heaven above us and
00:40:33.660 why this it's so important that these directions are correlated in our stories and in the way
00:40:40.460 in the relation between the way our ancestors saw the gods in relation to themselves and how we see
00:40:46.220 the gods even in this modern day is seeing when we look up when we see the gods we we call to them
00:40:53.660 and ask them to bear witness to our deeds as they gather to counsel in the above so and that
00:41:01.660 So that's subtle, but I think the orientation inspires us in a lot of ways.
00:41:10.900 There's little subtle things that are themes throughout,
00:41:15.800 but the idea of us looking upwards, gazing up at the heavens towards our gods,
00:41:21.280 towards our future, towards our destiny.
00:41:23.240 up has a deeply seated understanding in our soul good things like you level up when you
00:41:37.460 when you get something better you don't level down the idea of upwardness
00:41:43.040 being associated with betterment with good with potential with becoming more that orientation is
00:41:54.340 really important and it was a source of inspiration to our ancestors to our folk in
00:42:00.700 general looking up at at what's good and what's what's best and the you know the
00:42:06.780 understanding of like south and north and what those correlate to our ancestors were seeing
00:42:14.420 things in a plainer sense of where they were standing and what the north represented and
00:42:20.440 the south represented what the east and the west represented to them religiously symbolically
00:42:28.060 mythically or meta-narratively whatever we you know we want to say but we you know the idea was
00:42:33.800 that from where they were standing there was a central point and that central point there was
00:42:39.820 the gods and the gods were upon either uh you know mountainous peaks or a place up above or a place
00:42:47.740 slightly above the clouds because you know when we talk about the the skeins of light of leo
00:42:53.540 selfheim uh you know they're kind of referenced as being the um the the the plane in between the
00:43:01.400 upper end and where we are and but the the gods are often referred to as being in this mountainous
00:43:08.680 place and it's referred to like numerous times in the idea that it's not just ausgard it's not just
00:43:16.920 like a castle in the sky there is a land around it a place these mountains where heimdall resides
00:43:23.880 where the tree is where the well is where loki you know uh pulls the um uh stallion
00:43:33.720 off distracting when he's when he's making the walls of ausgard you know there's a place outside
00:43:40.280 so the heavenly world was seen as kind of like a an upper world perhaps on a mountainous sense
00:43:46.520 that was surrounded by the tops of the mountains that in the center there was this great land or
00:43:52.840 this great valleys or numerous valleys and in the center of that was the tree and the the tree's
00:44:00.520 roots go down into that that that land of of heavenly being and then those roots go to where
00:44:07.320 no one knows you know it's not quite known by everyone where those roots go and and and that's
00:44:13.400 because they descend down into the realms um unseen and they're to note they're not in
00:44:20.040 in the earth they're not in the yard they're not in midgarth but they are in the middle realm
00:44:27.320 they're just in jotunheim in the place of the primordial and where things are kind of being
00:44:33.060 pulled pulled from um so i think that it's worth noting that like our ancestors saw that as like
00:44:40.020 when they thought about the gods they thought about the gods in this upper place this perhaps
00:44:44.540 on the peaks of mountains what mountains it's not really specified it's not like mount olympus or
00:44:50.860 or something like that it's it it's more or less seen as an undisclosed place in which the you know
00:44:58.300 again the rainbow bridge which is um a shimmering path is not seen as every rainbow but that the
00:45:06.540 shimmering path is likened to a rainbow that extends up into that upper world and now we
00:45:13.180 you know we see that as these points are again symbolic or allegoric to understanding we've
00:45:19.740 always seen the gods as in the place above yggdrasil is in the place above the the norns
00:45:27.420 are in the place above witnessing through the well so that's something we're going to be
00:45:34.860 seeing and and re-emphasizing over and over and over again or i will at least
00:45:40.460 um also i suppose before we hit uh stanza five here um we have a
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00:46:04.140 fayhoo for more we appreciate you uh ryan thank you very much for your donation also while i was
00:46:11.100 reading that nick sent me that uh alsi miller donated 15 dollars thank you for that you guys
00:46:17.500 are being extremely generous tonight thank you so much we really appreciate it yeah remember too
00:46:23.660 the bounty of the bounty you receive and the bounty you give like that's it's equal if you
00:46:30.380 You know, he mentioned FEHU.
00:46:32.060 That's the point of FEHU is circulating that wealth.
00:46:35.640 And when you do that within your faith community,
00:46:39.140 I've talked about this before.
00:46:41.360 I'll talk about it again.
00:46:43.180 We talk about cycles,
00:46:45.220 but even though things move cyclically,
00:46:47.800 things spiral upwards
00:46:49.540 when you do right action at the right time.
00:46:52.880 So being generous, sharing with your folk,
00:46:54.780 contributing to stuff like this,
00:46:57.400 it spirals and that money,
00:46:59.220 the value becomes worth more than than the sum of the dollar bills on it and we've seen that
00:47:05.560 it sounds fanciful but we've we've seen that time and time again
00:47:08.760 well and it's you know like hoff toller is a percentage so if you're falling on hard times
00:47:20.140 hey then you might not be able to give that much in relation to how much you're dealing with
00:47:28.280 hardships but when you do gain then it's equal with your gaining and your your loss a lot of
00:47:35.680 people think i think that the the donation idea is that when you're falling on hard times you
00:47:40.920 gotta give a lot no it's the one per a one percent of minimal everybody's focused on that one there's
00:47:50.820 people that do more and we appreciate oh yes absolutely or the 10 percent well something
00:47:55.820 else to mention here um on stanza four as i'm looking at it and what we are doing is focusing
00:48:04.100 on points that's fun and i want to jump on that we think are particularly meaningful at the time
00:48:09.720 if you guys have things to add that you have questions about over on the side please ask
00:48:15.780 questions if you'd like um and then i wanted to uh just kind of mention so that is to say this
00:48:27.300 as i mentioned there's layers we could go over this forever and there would still probably be
00:48:32.020 little pieces here and there and points of connectivity to point out one thing that just
00:48:35.940 kind of stands out before we hit number five though is the point about and green was the ground
00:48:42.980 with growing leeks. The idea of the leek.
00:48:50.340 Herbally to our ancestors, the leek was a special plant. There was a lot to it. It was associated
00:48:59.700 with healing. It was an auspicious plant, not to mention delicious and did things that way.
00:49:11.960 But it was associated a lot with healing.
00:49:15.040 And I think Svan may have a little bit more to add about herb lore when it comes to our ancestors and leek.
00:49:22.520 Well, and yeah, the Goths, they called healing arts or medicine, as we would use today, or medicinal or medical, was leekscroft.
00:49:33.140 And it's kind of argued as to whether or not they're referring to leeches, but a lot of people speculate that the leeks part is not about the transference of blood or fluids, but medicinal sense.
00:49:49.780 And that in correlation to healing salves, balms, and soups, the leek, and the leek is the cornerstone of most of the medicinal practices of the Germanic people.
00:50:02.940 But it's also worth noting, too, that the leek is a broad term for, like, garlic was oftentimes just referred to as the spear leek, which is why gar, which means spear, and lick is a leek.
00:50:21.600 It's the spear leek.
00:50:23.020 So just the sense of leeks in and of themselves, the sprouting green vitality.
00:50:29.220 A lot of people think, too, that Lagu is the rune. The symbol of it is a leek rising up and kind of wilting at the end as it sprouts from the ground. And there's heavy connections towards healing in relation to that rune.
00:50:48.760 So, yeah, one of the holy rivers in heaven is called the Leek River or the Sprouting River.
00:50:57.340 Some people translate it as to the Spear River, but it's more likely in reference to garlic or to the sacred plants of medicinal healing.
00:51:07.560 And I think that goes in concert.
00:51:11.680 It's not necessarily specifically garlic, as the word leek has a lot of tendencies towards health, healing, and vitality.
00:51:20.380 So it was natural that they would, you know, choose that as a reference.
00:51:29.960 So next we move into another interesting point that I wanted to bring out,
00:51:35.220 is that I think if you read Alvismal and if you read Volospow and the references that they're
00:51:44.260 talking about in relation to the sun and the moon, if you understand the way our ancestors saw things,
00:51:50.420 these things are slightly less confusing. One of the things that's worth noting is, again,
00:51:55.780 from where we stand, there's this central place where the mountains rise up or, excuse me, above
00:52:02.360 the clouds and there is this land where the gods live in all of their um realms and there is the
00:52:10.600 tree and there is the place where they counsel and the sun and the moon correlate to the upper
00:52:17.540 place just as much as the middle and you'll see that a lot more in alvis mall but um the idea of
00:52:24.560 of what the gods call the sun and the moon and what the uh the the dvergar or the the svartalfar
00:52:33.820 call the sun and the moon and i think it's worth noting that they saw this as like the upper world
00:52:39.860 that the sun and the moon was shared just as much as the lower world with all the cycles of things
00:52:45.680 um and so it it makes a lot more sense if you look at it that way than going like what is there a
00:52:52.840 separate sun and a separate moon or is it are they are they on the planet if you try to like
00:52:59.340 hard line it it's it gets a little confusing but that's because the way our ancestors saw it was
00:53:04.700 this and it's worth noting i i find it really interesting the usage of the word about placing
00:53:11.800 the sun in the right hand casting over heaven's rim this is specifically correlated to northern
00:53:17.600 climates um but so yeah stanza number five the sun the sister of the moon from the south her
00:53:24.660 right hand casts over heaven's rim no knowledge she had where her home should be the moon knew
00:53:32.060 not the might was his the stars knew not where their stations were so one of the interesting
00:53:41.880 things that you know when we talk about sun wise movement um the reference of moving around the
00:53:49.240 earth sun wise or that the sun is moving around the earth sun wise on the rim of heaven is something
00:53:55.960 that if you've lived up in the high high north you can absolutely correlate it and and to be honest
00:54:01.960 if you lived in the far far south in new zealand or in um you know south africa or perhaps the
00:54:08.040 outer tips of um you know south america the again the the movement is still the same but from the
00:54:15.080 correlation at the time they were talking about the idea that the the sun's rimming edge especially
00:54:22.600 during midsummer when the sun never sets just rotates around i think that's a really hard
00:54:30.680 concept for people who've never been up there to get that there's a time in the year in which the
00:54:37.000 sun never sets and and we are always kind of in a ring of that light going around uh as we you know
00:54:47.720 as the earth rotates and so for our ancestors the seeing of the sun is as being allocated to
00:54:55.400 to holding the edge or the rim of heaven is about that transference around the horizon
00:55:02.040 and what this stanza really is talking about is that again kind of glancing over some of the
00:55:10.060 details but the idea that the gods set into motion all of the the things which translates really to
00:55:20.360 correlating emir correlating the the the body the um the middle guard is being correlated to
00:55:30.140 all other things uh but again they saw saw it as the things were being correlated um perhaps even
00:55:38.060 separately the stars did not know and then they were to know their their stead the moon did not
00:55:44.540 know uh his stead and so then he was given that knowledge um it glances over some things the
00:55:52.300 origins of of suna and mauni as in relation to meta narrative um you know there's two kind of
00:56:01.020 placements one is that um they are godly and uh that i think is um the way in which we um
00:56:10.780 take them but there are references to them being mortal or at least understanding that
00:56:16.140 The sun and the moon are much like the earth, a thing that is inhabited by dominion or power. So Sunnah is not the sun. The sun is often referred to as a spark of Muspelheim, but that she is given dominion of its station or its movements or its functions.
00:56:40.640 And that gets really interesting. And this is kind of what I was going to hit on earlier, is that the stories, the truths of the stories are truly beautiful when you look at certain things that perhaps even our ancestors didn't know, but we know now.
00:56:54.240 And that's what makes me believe that the gods had a intent with the keeping of these stories and the knowledge, knowing that they were going to be kept in the state that they've been preserved.
00:57:10.360 and uh that kind of correlating with the knowledge that we gain from other sources um you know it's
00:57:18.040 when we look at the the mentioning of suna as having two horses and mani only having one and
00:57:25.000 the reference not only just to traversing across the sky but when you realize that midgard has two
00:57:32.180 horses as well day and night who are not mentioned in the poem uh we have this sense of rotation
00:57:38.600 There are two on the earth, there are two on the sun, but one on the moon. And out of those three things, only one of them doesn't rotate on its own axis. I thought that was, you know, just truly interesting in the idea that what if a lot of these truths are woven in with our understanding coming to them, even in different ways.
00:58:04.840 And I think that makes me wonder, even in the far, far off future, like you had said, when we're telepathically or across space and time, what truths or understandings can apply then as well?
00:58:19.380 And that's what metanarratives, myths, their truths are perennial and they are framed in usage of elder times, but also of today in a lot of ways.
00:58:36.520 As long as we just kind of understand our framework and understand a little bit about why they might be saying things a certain way.
00:58:45.060 uh of course you know suna is referred to in the old norse as sol um sol is um the
00:58:55.780 just simply mentioned here is the sister of mauni uh or mauna um which again i is grammatical but
00:59:06.180 some people have thrown that into when we talk about gendering the heavenly bodies um that's
00:59:13.880 an interesting subject, but I think more along the lines, what's more interesting about this stanza
00:59:18.880 is that the sun, the moon, and the stars find their station, find their might or their place
00:59:30.520 within all things. And it's not stated outright, but it's, again, the machinations of the gods
00:59:37.220 creating all things in their cyclical form. And that's always kind of correlated as a round
00:59:44.260 arcing movement. Uh, the, the Raido, if you will, the, uh, the movement of everything kind
00:59:51.460 of correlating correctly and in its proper positions.
01:00:07.220 i don't know if you have any uh no i'm just looking at it now we're in we are
01:00:15.580 five stanzas in that's okay these are this is really important and i'm glad we're doing that
01:00:22.140 and well you know we came up with three parts today we can call it and do it in as many parts
01:00:27.800 as we need to it's not a we're not bound by time on it i'd rather do it right than do it quickly
01:00:33.140 um bruce donated $25 to the frayershoff fund thank you so much bruce we appreciate it
01:00:41.140 we'll make sure your money gets uh towards the goal you intend and we will
01:00:46.580 get frayershoff $25 faster than we would have otherwise thank you very much everybody's been
01:00:53.180 really generous tonight we appreciate it um i was just checking to see if we have any um
01:00:58.220 Any questions so far about the text? We do have good questions that we are going to get to after we're done with the text, though, so please stay tuned, or if you are going to check back in, if you can't make the entire broadcast.
01:01:14.440 But no, I'm okay. Yeah, I'm okay with continuing on to stanza six.
01:01:18.940 okay so well and it's also worth noting that there is a part up here which i kind of
01:01:25.820 banked on or not necessarily banked on but understood that there's a huge section of this
01:01:31.280 first half of the first 25 of the dvergar or the the svartalfar and their their names so it's
01:01:40.060 that's gonna be one of those kind of leaps um no we're gonna listen to you
01:01:45.800 and you've got to do it in Reamer
01:01:50.280 just start singing it
01:01:55.180 you think I'm joking when they list those names 0.99
01:01:58.740 you are to do it in Reamer
01:02:01.260 why are you making me do this
01:02:03.000 you are a son of Iceland 0.98
01:02:04.840 no Reamer is optional
01:02:09.480 if you wanted to do that we would all have a good time
01:02:12.300 but honestly you just going through
01:02:15.280 with your pronunciations i think it'd be really nice for folks to hear that aren't familiar with
01:02:22.000 well um yeah i think we've already and you know studying with certain things like for instance
01:02:29.120 emir uh instead of uh sometimes i've heard uh yimer i've heard why mir or why meyer or
01:02:39.520 eye mire so getting a lot of that and correlating it down some people some people just don't know
01:02:46.640 so i think honestly hearing you say it authentically will get people closer than they
01:02:54.320 would be otherwise and honestly the more you know the more you realize how people sound
01:03:02.000 goofy and it's easy to poke fun but i guarantee you i butcher things all the time that are not
01:03:09.200 you know rich yeah and that's something i like when i've met people who say like
01:03:16.240 asatru or wymir or aimer i'm not actually really poking fun at him i just there isn't there isn't a
01:03:27.280 foundational english uh that's like agreed upon and so a lot of uh the sounds that we have based
01:03:35.040 stuff the letters that are used creates a lot of that and i and it's it sounds funny at times that
01:03:42.320 it is funny at times but the the real sad part is is that it was just there we're we're english
01:03:48.000 translating old norse uh based off of letters that we have now that and some of them we used to have
01:03:55.680 but don't anymore and so yeah i'm not particularly poking fun i really um you know i i if people were
01:04:04.640 if to say like hey the y in the beginning of emir is always like a double e sound um
01:04:11.760 then people would kind of be understood and there's like a there's a range of getting it
01:04:16.400 kind of wrong but american and then just getting it yokel hillbilly like silly wrong and i think
01:04:25.280 we've we've all heard that and i think different versions great on different people but i know our
01:04:30.000 audience likes to hear you say icelandic stuff they poke you with a stick and say do an icelandic
01:04:35.680 and uh and so we all have have fun with that and i do think it's educating but well and it's also
01:04:44.400 worth noting too icelandic has a lot some changes versus old norms a lot of the the the p sound in
01:04:51.120 the f um and uh you know a certain um like the lateral lisp of icelandic wasn't really present
01:04:59.820 in old norse when when we talk about like heim dollar uh but now in modern icelandic it's heim
01:05:06.120 dotler it's a like a a tick on the side of the the teeth dotler and so i i've watched some videos
01:05:16.120 there was like an icelandic woman and it's like she's talking about how it's said in modern
01:05:20.560 icelandic and it's like yeah but old norse was probably a little bit different probably wasn't
01:05:25.040 as finite or or filled with as many like percussive senses that that they do now so so that said uh
01:05:35.280 six through nine are some of my very favorite stanzas so let's proceed to stanza six
01:05:41.280 yes absolutely so then then sought the gods their assembly seats in heaven the holy ones
01:05:52.500 and held council or and council held names then gave they to noon and to twilight
01:06:00.760 morning they named and the waning moon night and evening the years to number this is a really
01:06:10.140 favorite one of mine as well, because we're talking about timekeeping and we're talking
01:06:14.680 about allocating linguistics towards times of the day. Uh, again, uh, you know, I've,
01:06:23.640 I've mentioned it numerous times, our ancestors counted and marked the day at sunset because of
01:06:29.300 its functionality. And currently, you know, in our, and, and I would say even in a better sense,
01:06:33.980 we see it as midnight now because we have the ability to count hourage, um, to precise increments.
01:06:41.680 And, um, and again, the, the sun rising and the sun setting are, are, are, um, so important to our
01:06:49.160 ancestors in the way they marked days. Um, but the idea of all that, that is, um, you know,
01:06:58.720 in all languages, all Germanic languages, the usage of the word morning, the usage of the word
01:07:05.340 midday or noon or evening, afternoon, all of these titles and words are again
01:07:16.760 change colloquially as we go. But what this is really talking about is the establishment of
01:07:25.940 the gods and their might over time. And that's why I often talk about the upper world is where
01:07:32.080 time descends. And it's not necessarily like a pouring. I'm saying that from the pinnacle or
01:07:40.160 the zenith or the top of the ordering of time and structure, along with weird, which is in essence
01:07:47.500 inseparable, descend and begin here with the gods and the way that they order these things
01:07:57.120 from their council seat. And, you know, again, we view the gods as the 12, and then the multitude
01:08:07.000 of goddesses, of course, with Freya and Frigga as being of the heights there. But this council
01:08:16.280 I wanted to point out in stanza six, one of the really, really important themes.
01:08:29.800 Oh, wait, I might have to step away. I have an animal that is in the house that's trapped in a
01:08:35.320 room. I'm sorry. Is it supposed to be in the house? Yeah, no, it is. Yes, it is one of our,
01:08:41.180 but it's going to make a terrible noise. It's been kind of doing it. I'll be one second.
01:08:44.840 All right, fair enough.
01:08:48.360 Svon goes and tends his beast.
01:08:52.120 It's a dragon.
01:08:54.280 Hey, you do you.
01:08:55.400 I don't know the rules in the Old Dominion on keeping dragons.
01:09:01.880 That said, stanza six is really meaningful to me in the fact that
01:09:11.400 for a long time there and i've spoken on this many times people embraced alsatru as
01:09:27.980 the anti-christianity or the anti-organized religion we don't like organized religion we
01:09:35.120 like mud hut chaos animism stuff and one of the things that they rejected was this idea of good
01:09:45.080 and evil and tried to contextualize everything but duality is important and it always has been
01:09:50.720 to our ancestors it may not always get phrased as good and evil per se but what it does get very
01:10:01.900 often illustrated as is order versus chaos um what we are watching our gods do in this part of of the
01:10:16.300 veluspa is literally ordering things setting the order of our existence setting order to time
01:10:28.780 their first thing they did was find their seats sit down and start structuring order and hierarchy
01:10:39.500 and in structure our gods are the gods of order our people our race has existed on finding chaotic
01:10:50.700 primalness and structuring it and putting order to it instilling our order onto the world around us
01:11:01.520 and that's exactly in in in grand scale what our gods are doing at this point
01:11:07.560 in the in the story that i think is extremely meaningful
01:11:11.280 i um i just noticed the uh for people who are might be listening and not seeing there's
01:11:20.920 apparently a disney version of me out there now on the on the uh step away screen just now saw that
01:11:29.500 i think it's the same one from uh last week the uh the as somebody said pixar
01:11:38.640 Pixar Svan. I was thinking
01:11:41.180 like from Frozen
01:11:43.140 or Disney or something.
01:11:46.260 Yes, it is.
01:11:47.520 I believe that's where it comes from
01:11:49.320 is the... That's funny.
01:11:51.300 The Frozen version.
01:11:54.000 Well, and I think it's also worth
01:11:55.320 something to note that you just said
01:11:57.360 too in the placement of time.
01:11:59.980 The general
01:12:01.260 belief of Snorri
01:12:03.240 Stutlason or at least
01:12:05.060 say the poets that started to
01:12:07.140 compile the the poems um and the usage of the of the number 12 uh the 12 gods and a lot of people
01:12:16.380 automatically correlate that to in the story the the referencing to the uh the the kind of the
01:12:24.800 lords of of troy uh and that whole euhemeristic uh kind of
01:12:30.500 paraphrasing that Snorty puts on the gods. But it is worth noting that like, again, that the
01:12:38.180 gods in their assembly seat, the 12 gods gather together and set forth time. And so I think the
01:12:44.460 number 12 has a great significance within our faith, just as much as three, six, and nine does
01:12:51.340 as a dynamic number. And even the number four has placement as well with stability. But 12 is a
01:12:57.900 unique number that i think is secretly woven in um or or just very mildly woven into the
01:13:06.700 understanding of the way our perhaps our understanding of time would progress into
01:13:13.340 an understanding of the 12 hour the 12 month um even the you know the the moon cycles um
01:13:20.460 if you correlate with some of the runic calendars the runic calendars are uh on a 19-year cycle
01:13:27.500 but they correlate with the days and the moons and it's generally 12 moon cycles a year
01:13:34.620 with perhaps one or two that overlap into a 13 and then readjust back to 12.
01:13:41.340 so even you know i know a lot of people might say like oh they you know in what what's that movie
01:13:47.580 um the one with the 13th warrior yes they need a warrior for every one of their months and it's 13
01:13:55.420 And, you know, that was kind of something that I think Michael Crichton put in with his book Eaters of the Dead.
01:14:00.700 But it's worth noting 12 is far more of a significant number than I think a lot of people realize.
01:14:07.820 So, time.
01:14:16.160 Stanza seven.
01:14:19.900 At Etheval met the mighty gods.
01:14:23.000 shrines and temples they timbered high forges they set and they smithied ore
01:14:30.860 tongs they rot and tools they fashioned um when we talk first out the gate either
01:14:39.740 either valley either valley either means work it means toil it means really in essence a a valley
01:14:50.700 of potential. It is a valley of a place in which things are to be built, and the progress of order
01:15:00.160 is being set. I think this manifests, of course, in language about forges and, you know, tools
01:15:10.420 and tongs and things of high capacity, especially of that time. The idea that, you know, if you
01:15:16.640 were a place that couldn't forge a nail, you know, or, or, you know, have these things, then you were
01:15:23.260 no place at all. And this is kind of showing that the gods are formula, formulating or formulating
01:15:30.140 and formulizing things. They're creating and moving in this plane of potential. And it's
01:15:38.140 never really specified, but it's kind of seen as either of all is in heaven, but is later on
01:15:44.280 sectioned out into realms um and i i don't try to hold on to that too hard in the ideas like well
01:15:53.620 what what realm where are the property lines or what have you um but it's understood that either
01:16:00.320 is that heavenly place in which they now start to build the halls of the gods and if we look in
01:16:09.460 Grimnismal, you know, even though in the poem, Lord Odin kind of mashes all of the rivers together,
01:16:18.280 you know, there's other poems that we can look at.
01:16:20.120 There are clearly unique rivers mentioned in heaven, you know, Kort and Ornt and Thrund,
01:16:29.520 and all of these rivers are mentioned as kind of being in the valley where the gods build
01:16:35.520 ausgarth the actual enclosure of the gods but that's kind of seen or as a symbolic sense of
01:16:46.120 the enclosure in which the gods reside and that they leave that place to go to the base of the
01:16:52.380 tree and sit to council repeatedly over and over and over again in relation to how they play out
01:16:59.340 their dominion in the world so when i speak about like how the gods hold their dominion over the
01:17:05.060 world this is though that these are the verses that are kind of explaining that or where my
01:17:11.820 intention or idea of the of the interplay between the gods and everything in correlation to the base
01:17:18.720 of the tree and that the uh where they assemble at that well at earth's well where all things are
01:17:25.400 kind of originate from something else that
01:17:31.960 i've always found inspirational and the more that i've you know thought on it over the years has
01:17:43.740 been uh the meaning's been enhanced but so after they set the initial order and structure of
01:17:56.940 things of time and such uh so they they set these kind of abstract framework things and then they
01:18:11.340 met on the plane of action where things occur and what they did there first was set up shrines and
01:18:21.180 temples and they they timbered them high they set up forges they smithed ore they made tools um
01:18:32.780 first just this idea of
01:18:35.340 of what do you do when you come to power you build things you build
01:18:46.860 special things for holy purposes but you build stuff the impetus to to build instead of to tear
01:18:59.080 down or to you know mete out punishment or destruction on something when the gods come to
01:19:08.100 power the first thing they do in their new realm that they've created is to build beautiful things
01:19:16.500 and and i've always been inspired by that just in ways i would like to see also true
01:19:23.720 do things as we
01:19:27.460 come into our own in the modern world, what do we do?
01:19:33.820 We should build temples and set up beautiful things and build these things to our gods.
01:19:39.100 And I think that's a special thing and one of the things that has inspired me a lot.
01:19:45.040 But also what I think is important.
01:19:46.900 there is this trope with the shoulder pelts and ash on the face and whatever the dangly things in 0.53
01:19:56.740 front of the high lung chicks eyes are and the antlers and the nonsense of this reverence for 0.83
01:20:05.380 ooga booga primitive stuff we don't see that here the first thing they did they built shrines and
01:20:15.220 temples. They didn't, as some people like to contend, no, our ancestors only worshiped at
01:20:24.100 rocks and in groves and in the woods. No, the first thing our gods did was build high-timbered
01:20:32.920 shrines and temples. This is at a much earlier stage, certainly than present, of our ancestors
01:20:42.300 and how they conceptualized their gods and what they did,
01:20:46.080 everything we've seen in this poem thus far
01:20:49.620 is the gods taking primitive and raw nature
01:20:54.660 and breaking it down and shaping it to their will
01:20:59.380 with technology, with stuff.
01:21:01.640 They made tools.
01:21:03.480 They didn't just levitate it with their head.
01:21:06.420 The conception of our ancestors,
01:21:08.220 very close to that arc, also true period,
01:21:12.300 No, the gods built stuff. They made buildings. They made structures. They took ore, and from it, they fashioned tools. They fashioned gold and ornamentation. They made high-timbered temples and shrines.
01:21:29.140 We look back in history and a lot of people will take a reflection of the very end of the Alistair era of the Germanic tribes in a very primitive state and comment as if our ancestors didn't build holy buildings.
01:21:52.120 because what the Germanic tribesmen had in comparison with, you know, the Via Sacra in Rome
01:22:02.780 was obviously of a very different magnitude and a very different quality of architecture.
01:22:09.820 But here you see that it was always the understanding of our ancestors.
01:22:13.900 No, our gods, you know, temples and shrines were stuff that you built.
01:22:18.380 didn't say they frolicked in the woods or they gathered around a pretty rock said no they made
01:22:25.920 timbered temples that's a really special thing and i think it's meaningful and it doesn't mean
01:22:31.740 nature is beautiful we all get that being out in the woods and finding something that's really
01:22:36.960 special or a special part in nature that's great and there's nothing wrong with that
01:22:43.640 but in Ausatru we absolutely had temples and we have temples again
01:22:50.640 it's um something that uh is going over here in the chat with uh Vril Mage who did the gods
01:23:04.960 worship in their house or is it talking about our earliest ancestors well I think that one of the
01:23:11.760 things worth noting is, and I've said this often, is that what happens in the halls of the gods
01:23:16.400 happens to in the hearts of men. And this applies to a lot of things, including the binding of
01:23:22.740 Fenris and so on and so forth. I think that it's worth noting that it's a correlation by the poets
01:23:31.180 to correlate the gods towards achievements in mankind show their advancement, especially
01:23:38.480 when these things were not easily attainable so the idea of the gods building shrines and temples
01:23:45.320 building tools and making ore are specific towards the idea that they're they're correlating the gods
01:23:54.180 to those who are listening to the poem and knowing or is hard to get uh there's these are advancements
01:24:01.900 these are things going on the gods are advanced the gods are doing things and they're doing things
01:24:07.380 before everyone else. So I think that the point of it is correlation, not necessarily to say,
01:24:13.420 oh, the gods are worshiping something in the shrines. The gods are worshiping something in
01:24:18.260 the temples. No, in essence, the gods are acting like advanced humans or that the audience is
01:24:24.900 picking up that the gods are advanced, like they see advancement on a scale. And that scale is,
01:24:33.760 Again, if you have temples, if you have shrines, if you have the ability to make tongs from
01:24:41.380 oared iron and things of that nature are continuously emphasized in order to kind of lay out to
01:24:49.860 the audience that the gods are hyper, you know, up to date or even, you know, they're
01:24:56.440 civilized, they're organized.
01:24:58.200 even to our ancestors these ideas were things that i think a lot of them wanted needed and
01:25:05.180 desired and seeing that the gods had the the acumen in order to simply bring these forward
01:25:12.780 is is a is a flex statement if you will the gods are mighty the gods are powerful um but how do
01:25:19.240 you state that without kind of again correlation to the time and i think we're we're in the we're
01:25:26.760 in the section where the whole point is the establishment of order and how things ought to be
01:25:34.440 so we go very quickly from hierarchy of of celestial bodies and time to
01:25:46.040 and then what do the gods do they set up beautiful buildings and structure and those buildings
01:25:51.080 aren't just you know a bingo hall they're temples and shrines there's a place for the sacred
01:25:59.400 when you look at and you know it wasn't talked about in uh
01:26:05.000 in this poem but but it will be in more detail later odinville and vey
01:26:09.880 one-third of that triad of creation was sacrality that's what what vay's name means
01:26:23.020 you know our reality was shaped out of um will out of inspiration and out of sacredness
01:26:33.440 in a very literal way and when the gods rightly order how the world ought to be
01:26:41.080 that space for temples and shrines is the first thing that they build and i think that's
01:26:48.600 i think that's meaningful
01:26:53.640 i noticed here in the script to um uh let's see uncle krampus migrating people tend not to build
01:27:01.420 structures of permanence. And I think that that's interesting because one of the reasons why we know
01:27:06.840 about some of the early Aryan migrations, or not earliest, but, you know, iron age, cusp of bronze
01:27:15.060 and iron moving in is because of the Kurgan burial mound. And so I think that it's kind of a broad
01:27:24.200 stroke brush if you say they're not building for permanence. I think sometimes it's worth noting
01:27:30.120 that for occasions of death and occasions of honoring the gods, they built structures.
01:27:36.720 It's also worth noting that they oftentimes reutilized megalith areas, but often had
01:27:44.920 those places seen as perhaps elder places or places that they would build their own.
01:27:53.200 And again, there's other things that we might not even know.
01:27:56.360 They may have built shrines and temples out of things that just don't stand the test of time.
01:28:04.860 Kurgan stand the test of time, and of course the megalith circles and stones stand the test of time,
01:28:11.100 but maybe they were doing things based off of what was available to them.
01:28:15.120 Icelanders ended up building a lot out of stone simply because there wasn't a lot of wood.
01:28:19.820 one of the and a couple other things to consider on that the germanic tribesmen that the romans
01:28:26.140 encountered first at that period and in that place were wandering nomadic they'd been pushed
01:28:34.780 and by the environment and by neighboring tribes they weren't settled it wasn't the height of some
01:28:41.180 great aryan kingdom that was the ideal no it was wandering refugee tribesmen that were fighting
01:28:47.820 amongst themselves in a you know non-ideal state but just because that's the stage they found them
01:28:56.880 doesn't mean that was the folk ideal they remembered and talked about those kind of things
01:29:05.160 those structures palaces great things and when you look back in the history of of aryan peoples
01:29:11.740 they have those at different times when you see even at that time when you see the culture clash
01:29:16.620 between rome and the germanics they're both branches of aryan people that harken back to
01:29:22.300 these most primal truths of creation clearly other branches of our folk were prolific in building
01:29:31.740 magnificent structures they did in a way that did stay over time one of the things that
01:29:38.860 we very often see is the wood used in germany and in scandinavia to construct structures
01:29:46.540 would rot over time. It's one of the advancements when you look into the building of the Stavekirka.
01:29:54.300 The staves originally were embedded into the ground, and that worked really good for a while,
01:30:00.460 but eventually it rotted the wood. One of the later innovations pretty close to or right at
01:30:07.260 the Christianizing period in the north was to start putting those buildings on stone foundation 0.85
01:30:13.900 so that the rotting didn't happen. 0.64
01:30:16.900 But it's one of the ways that they identify
01:30:19.120 Hoffs and temple structures archaeologically
01:30:23.500 is finding post holes in the remnants
01:30:27.720 of where posts would go.
01:30:29.060 But wood doesn't stand the test of time
01:30:31.580 the same way that marble does.
01:30:38.380 Well, yeah, he's talking about in reference
01:30:40.840 to tacitus or tacitus um you know and yeah i think it's worth noting that the migrational period
01:30:49.320 causes adaptation and i mean we we kind of see two ends of it when we talk about tacitus's um
01:30:57.560 observations of the germanic people uh you know and he talks about how they don't um put their
01:31:03.800 gods into human form, um, versus Snorty and his euhemorizing of the gods as kings of Norway or
01:31:12.600 kings of Sweden, we see this kind of, uh, two sides of the table. Um, I think it is also worth
01:31:19.860 noting too that Tacitus was probably taking a jab at, um, the Romans themselves, uh, because
01:31:28.400 Because the faith of Rome and of Greece and just of the Hellenics was changing in and of itself. There was a lot more of an artistic representation of the gods. And not everyone was keen on that. And ultimately what it led to was the gods by the philosophes kind of turning into soap operas and dramas and plays and things.
01:31:52.440 And so he's kind of at the front end of the slippery slope argument.
01:31:56.920 And that's an interesting thing, too, just in Germanic studies in general.
01:32:01.220 That's the purpose of a lot of Tacitus' writing.
01:32:06.660 And admittedly so, and well known at the time and since, what he did, not that it was dishonest, but he wanted to point out, I guess, what would become the ideal of the noble savage.
01:32:22.440 He wanted to point out the decadence and decay that Rome had become by his time with an earlier stage of our folk where, you know, they were more in touch with, you know, the more primal element of our faith.
01:32:42.580 And he was pointing out primal virtues of a more virtuous stage in the development,
01:32:50.700 hearkening back to Rome's own earlier period when those virtues were more valuable.
01:32:57.120 And as they got more rooted, more civilized, and more decadent, those who disappeared even makes those comments in annals quite often
01:33:06.200 about how far Rome had come from its glory days
01:33:10.520 of when, you know, the virtues were celebrated
01:33:16.580 higher than they were certainly, you know,
01:33:20.300 I've been writing at the end of,
01:33:24.780 a lot of his critique he was writing
01:33:27.140 was about Nero's administration.
01:33:29.120 So at a point during the bad emperors
01:33:32.200 where things had gone you know gone astray a lot of his his writing was commentary that way
01:33:41.000 and so i think he chose to emphasize a lot of you know noble savage kind of virtues 0.78
01:33:47.720 well yeah the degeneracy that rome had become uncle kram is like it's hitting it on the head
01:33:53.960 there i think two things that a lot of people don't think about that really really stick out
01:33:59.320 to me is he talks about how the germanics need of only having one wife and that's a that's an
01:34:05.240 odd way of stating that they're monogamous is because he's kind of referencing to he's leaving
01:34:10.440 what's unsaid is that it's you know being read by romans who are like you know he's saying they
01:34:15.640 only need to be loyal to one woman and they are together and you know rome was slipping into
01:34:21.400 different direction um and the other the uh what was the other thing that really kind of like left 0.98
01:34:27.000 unsaid because normally we go straight towards like cowards and homosexuals were bogged and that 0.93
01:34:33.640 is pretty clear cut and forward but like i i really thought the uh oh it was the weapons amongst 0.91
01:34:40.760 leadership these were two kind of like that were unsung one was the need for only one wife and the
01:34:46.680 other was that free men could bear arms in front of their kings because their system was built on
01:34:53.640 honor was built on uh being able to express your ideals but still having loyalty and honor to your
01:35:00.920 king or to your lord or to your thing and that it was seen as like you know even in the civilized
01:35:06.520 world you you can't have weapons in front of people because it they tend to get a little stabby
01:35:15.000 all right and before we continue um colvin gilder five dollars thank you so much we appreciate that
01:35:22.280 um and on to stanza eight yeah so uh in their dwellings at peace they played at the tables 0.85
01:35:37.160 of gold there was no lack did the gods then know till thither came up giant maidens three 0.97
01:35:47.640 huge of might, out of Jotunheim. And the word used here too, when we talk about giant maidens,
01:35:58.640 is thersa, which is an interesting usage because thersas are generally correlated with perhaps
01:36:07.640 like a more primitive sense. Oftentimes people, I think, ultimately correlate thers to troll
01:36:15.980 in an etymological way,
01:36:20.340 and I don't necessarily think that's the case.
01:36:23.300 I think thirst means, again, ancient and mighty
01:36:26.420 of great power,
01:36:31.100 and that power can manifest very primally,
01:36:35.160 but it was seen as perhaps not multifaceted,
01:36:39.420 but purposeful in almost like a singular way.
01:36:45.980 um but it's it's ear and you know they they say they uh in their dwellings at peace they played
01:36:51.260 at the tables that part there is reference to the boards uh tables and boards um chess pieces um
01:37:01.580 in uh i know i'm sure most people are familiar with like a the popular game right now that
01:37:09.020 has definitely was um kind of honed in the nordic lands though it's present in wales uh oftentimes
01:37:16.780 a much bigger board and really showed up more in a revival in the medieval periods is uh not
01:37:25.260 um which is the challenge uh napa is uh combat and topple is table so the combat table or the
01:37:35.500 The chess board is like, as we know it with the, you know,
01:37:39.960 the king and his loyal fanes in the center being onslaughted from four
01:37:45.500 directions. Very, very cool game.
01:37:48.000 But the idea of being able to play games and being able to do things is about
01:37:54.480 peace. It's about prosperity.
01:37:57.020 It's the ultimate desire to create a place where art and where,
01:38:03.740 what's the word? Entertainment can be attained so that people can take a relaxing break from
01:38:17.060 toil and the mundane. And I think that that is in juxtaposition to the earlier stanza where
01:38:25.340 they're talking about the gods working. They're also now talking about them at peace and playing
01:38:30.060 games so the correlation there is is that building societies allow you to have um
01:38:39.500 you know breaks have desirable things and that you should try to you know attain those obviously we
01:38:45.660 could talk about you know too good a times create bad things but you know i think in this context
01:38:52.460 Um, the gods are enjoying the fruits of their labor. And then from Jotunheim come these,
01:39:02.720 these thirst maidens. Now I think it's worth noting the, uh, the, obviously these are the 0.93
01:39:10.780 witches. Um, Nornir translates to witch, but they don't, you know, um, specifically say the
01:39:17.600 Nornir in this stanza. When Midgard is formulated, there are two, again, kind of polaric sides,
01:39:29.180 much like Muspelheim and Niflheim. There is also Vanaheim and Jotunheim. And Jotunheim is kind
01:39:36.240 referred to as the place of ancient things it's kind of the where the um
01:39:45.680 the essence of emir's primordialness goes and they reference this as kind of like the east
01:39:53.680 in in ref like the mountains to the east if you're in norway uh if you're in sweden or if you're in
01:40:00.560 europe the the idea is that beyond the mountains to the east is where the primordial is um
01:40:06.240 where the unknown is or where the the garth at the edge of things is and they come from there
01:40:13.680 because those things are they are ancient and they are in essence born of the slaying of emir
01:40:24.120 and that i think is really important to to key in on because ultimately the nornir show up because
01:40:31.780 of the slaying of Ymir. This is the time in which the deeds of the gods start into motion
01:40:39.860 all things, including ultimately Ragnarok. The idea is that all things have a cycle,
01:40:48.940 all things have a completion or a return and then an ascension again. And that is
01:40:55.160 where the the nornir come from and all of the jotnar in um the stories especially the jotnar
01:41:04.680 in relation to emir are consistently viewed as um coming from the east as in some some sort of
01:41:12.020 remembrance of the slaying of emir and the the the willful changing so when people try to organize
01:41:19.140 things and create things, there's kind of this, I don't know, this memory or perhaps this is like
01:41:25.360 just covetous desire to kind of change or dissipate. And that is really exemplified in
01:41:31.940 coming from the East, coming from Jotunheim. Those two are kind of interchangeable.
01:41:40.100 i think as things develop this becomes a little bit
01:41:49.820 more often used but the
01:41:56.160 the differences between types of giants is a lot and it can be very confusing
01:42:06.940 because there's overlap in names and things.
01:42:10.740 There are seemingly unconscious forces of primal existence that are there
01:42:21.700 that are a form of Yotnar.
01:42:25.300 There are malevolent trolls and things that are malicious against order,
01:42:34.820 against mankind against the gods that are yotnar there are amazing and wise like wizard giants
01:42:45.300 that are yotnar and then there are also progenitors of the gods um sometimes spouses
01:42:56.020 of the gods forces from an ancient and a primal time that have an ancient an ancient wisdom or
01:43:03.300 a you know a primal from the roots of creation wisdom to impart at later stages and so i think
01:43:10.660 that that becomes confusing because some are very hostile and malevolent others are
01:43:18.260 existing on their own without particular allegiance and others you know are helpful
01:43:24.020 at times so i think it it all depends on context it's not one size fits all when we talk about
01:43:30.660 giants well in this event creates a uh situation in which the gods have to gather and uh it says
01:43:46.020 that then sought the gods their assembly seats the holy ones and council held
01:43:52.180 so um this is i think there's in reference to the nornir coming from the east but also
01:44:04.540 i think this might lend itself towards some stories that we don't have that that might not
01:44:11.140 have survived but translation wise that it gets confusing and it doesn't get any easier um but
01:44:18.180 it's just I think the first two lines of stanza nine are in direct reference to the fact that
01:44:23.580 the Nornir have arrived and they have to um you know correlate with their arrival and this
01:44:35.200 brings on the next step which I think is the reason why the stories might not exist is I
01:44:42.720 i think this is referencing to the story of how the gods and the the dverga or dvergar or uh and
01:44:52.160 it's said if you're reading this in old norse um the the dvergar are the dwarves or the the smart
01:45:00.240 alvar or like the again the spirits of material um they they seek to gather and do they seek to
01:45:08.960 gather in order to find specific dwarves it's never quite mentioned but we do know that the
01:45:15.520 four hearts that are in heaven described in um uh the skull the skulls uh reference or in the
01:45:24.160 gilfagining um they have dwarven names but alas there's a huge gap there um but it says you know
01:45:33.600 then sought the gods their assembly seats the place in which they they their dominion the reagan
01:45:40.160 over and um they you know they're they're the great holy ones the the gin hilo gold they're
01:45:49.920 the great holy ones gather and and counsel to find who should raise the race of dwarves
01:45:58.240 out of Bremer's blood and the legs of, well, it says in English Blaine, but it's interesting. 0.74
01:46:06.720 So like if we go over to the Nordic side, it's worth noting there's a dash above the A,
01:46:12.320 which means that the name is Blauen, not Blaine. It's pronounced Blauen. And Blauen means blue,
01:46:20.020 the blue one or the one of blue in it. Every reference that we can think of in relation to
01:46:25.900 blueness is about death or at least being of the under so that's an interesting thing a lot of
01:46:32.400 people take this as out of brimmer's blood which i think is correct is that this is a another word
01:46:38.480 or another title for emir and there are multiple titles used owl yelmer is often used um and this
01:46:45.280 one brimmer is kind of seen as um the brining rhyme ice but in reference to here it may be
01:46:53.440 again, blood. Brimmer's blood is this kind of like froth and gore of Ymir's movings. And then
01:47:03.660 the legs of Blauen. To my knowledge, there's no reference of Ymir ever being referred to as Blauen.
01:47:11.420 And we do know that both of these names are used for Dvergar's names. And so I'm wondering if
01:47:16.820 there is perhaps a progenitor of the Dvergar. But most people take this as that from the blood
01:47:26.420 and from his legs of Imir is generally how it's translated. But again, that's not 100% agreed
01:47:34.040 upon. Brimir makes more sense, but Blauen doesn't because out of the blood and the legs,
01:47:42.900 That and is kind of, I don't know if it's connective or if there's a story that we're missing.
01:47:51.140 But from this, some people have surmised, and I think it has merit, is that after the flood, after the flood of Ymir, it's said that the Yotnar are reduced to only two.
01:48:08.280 and again this is about you know uh generationally like osk and emla are not physically a one and one
01:48:16.400 but the proto generation of things so the proto generation of the gods is in bur yelmer and his
01:48:23.920 unnamed wife and they flow to the east where would become jotenheim um but it's out of brimmer's blood
01:48:34.460 and the legs of blaine some people talk about the the lower half of emir being mentioned as the legs
01:48:41.740 and i think that that has merit in relation to where the dvergar live the dvergar live in neither
01:48:49.180 which is the valley that's beneath or the dark valley the place um in the shadow it's not
01:48:58.140 Nivilheim or Nivilhel, it's Nidavellur is like the the land underneath the land and it's there
01:49:07.340 I think that the reference to legs means again the underneath the lower half and there is where
01:49:14.380 the spirits of the land the spirits of the material come and formulate and um you know
01:49:23.100 You know, now we're about to move into the litany of the dwarves.
01:49:25.720 So keep in mind with that, and Svan's reference to the legs, the lower, and the underneath, 0.96
01:49:35.980 when we talk about, as we talked earlier, about the gods being in heaven,
01:49:40.980 about the idea of upward ascension being a progression towards the ideal.
01:49:49.680 um and it's fine name us name us some dwarves well okay so first um if you if you're looking
01:50:01.840 at the the nordic to um english translations some of you might have them side by side i'm not
01:50:08.720 100 sure where everyone's at but um in the english version it says there was moat saugnir
01:50:16.720 and that doesn't fit because the it should actually be a th but the uh the nordic is
01:50:27.960 mode mode soul near the soul the g is kind of rounded and what mode means if anybody's
01:50:37.700 obviously with like, uh, with, uh, Magni and Mothi or with, um, Mothguth, uh, as she resides on the
01:50:47.900 bridge between the living and the dead. Moth means might. Moth means strength. And Sognir is,
01:50:54.220 is referencing to drinking or, uh, the drink, like might drinker, but it might have an interesting
01:51:04.580 context in the idea of like gravity and the correlation of the mass of earth and the idea
01:51:13.140 that the drinking or drawing in of might um i'm not saying that that's what this is alluding to
01:51:19.940 but it makes for an interesting point when you think of of might drinker and the idea of the
01:51:26.820 pulling in power um and that i think is you know really interesting the but it says there was mozi
01:51:35.700 uh the mightiest maid of all the dwarves and durin next many a likeness of men they made
01:51:46.820 the dwarves in the earth as durin said um that again i think is the reason why it makes him
01:51:56.820 uh a reference to perhaps another story that's why i specifically as durin said um
01:52:07.300 is sounding of the idea that it's linking to another poem that might have been lost
01:52:12.420 but the litany of the dwarves comes in there and i think that it's you know it's worth noting that
01:52:18.580 the the dvergar are deeply connected to the material both in energy and in physicality
01:52:25.940 the idea of the earth um the pulling of the earth the the the interplay of elements and chemicals
01:52:35.700 i think is really denoted towards the dvergar and i think that that's worth noting because it always
01:52:43.380 mentions it with like in relation to fashioning weapons and things of that is that this is the
01:52:49.380 the highest quality or the highest power of all things that can be kind of interplayed through
01:52:56.420 fire and um rock creating this ore and all of the knowledge that they have given to a smith
01:53:05.140 means that this is going to be you know an exceptionally strong um metal or or object um
01:53:14.820 let me see here so
01:53:19.380 Are we? I'm still trying to make sure I'm following correctly.
01:53:28.620 Yeah. All right. So, um, you know, now we have, uh,
01:53:36.980 Ni, Nidhi, Nordri, and Sudri, Ostri, and Vestri. Now, for anybody that needs to know that, again,
01:53:48.320 the Dvergar are specifically kind of correlated to land and the land underneath the feet of our
01:53:54.820 ancestors, and Nordri, of course, is north. Sudri is south, Ostri, and Vestri, so north, south,
01:54:03.360 south, east, and west are really, really, again, important.
01:54:12.840 We have
01:54:39.840 That's kind of an interesting name too right there.
01:54:42.840 uh, Mjöv being mead, uh, and Vignir is a poetic name for a wolf. So mead wolf is kind of a,
01:54:52.660 an interesting name getting, getting kind of, uh, an idea of like the dripping bomber means the,
01:54:59.760 the loud or the cacophonous. Um, and I think that these, these names are again for the poet
01:55:07.420 to practice their alliterative rhyming but also correlations to um kind of functions and things
01:55:15.260 of the earth the knocking the the cracking the rolling the the the earth moving if you will um
01:55:24.140 again uh always been one that i've kind of wondered about um but there's there is uh
01:55:33.100 So, they translate it to Vig and Gandalf, but Gandalf, of course, is Wandelf.
01:55:46.500 Vindalver, Spirit of the Wind, or Elf of the Wind.
01:55:51.280 And remember, alf is always correlated.
01:55:53.740 It's much like the word Vettur, or white, or Kinder. 0.98
01:55:57.560 It means like a being of...
01:56:00.300 But Alvar always have a tendency to be more of a spiritual nature than, say, a kinder, which is, like, a people.
01:56:10.080 Thorin, thraur og thrauen, fecker, litter og vitter, nier og nieradar.
01:56:25.880 Yeah, so that, actually, that's quite interesting.
01:56:30.300 The rider, raudr.
01:56:34.980 Oh no, it could be council as well.
01:56:36.720 So again, some of the names of Thor are ein raudr, the lone rider.
01:56:47.640 Whereas nirraudr, raudr most likely is, or it could be auðr.
01:56:53.120 So sometimes they're compound words.
01:56:55.360 And so when you're looking things up, it might be worth looking at the idea that there is like, even though there's near, near may be by itself.
01:57:05.960 But the next one, near rather, might emphasize N-Y, rather.
01:57:13.280 And so you might want to section things apart to look them up sometimes.
01:57:17.940 I'm actually kind of interested on that one because of the stasis of it.
01:57:22.360 And you see this like in the rivers in heaven, outside of Edival, over the mountains of heaven, there are two rivers, corped and orped.
01:57:32.420 And their names are the are the cooling one and the twisting one, even though they sound only one difference based off of a letter.
01:57:42.060 The idea is that there is one that twists like a serpent and the other one is cool.
01:57:46.540 And a lot of this usage of words that are so close together are, again, a way for the poet to kind of differentiate and create a tempo.
01:58:02.220 So there's kind of like this tempo that's really established at this point in the poem.
01:58:27.480 Speaking of tempo, now would be a good time for Reamer.
01:58:32.220 Well, I can't sing, but that was about as close as I could get.
01:58:38.840 I know.
01:58:39.300 You were a virgin on it.
01:58:40.460 You were on the cusp.
01:58:41.760 I was on the cusp.
01:58:42.840 If anybody, nobody might know this, but like Rimur is a singing style of poetic telling.
01:58:50.160 Most people think that it's really old and it's been around for a long time.
01:58:54.300 Some people think that it may have come after the poems were written down and that another
01:58:59.320 way to kind of tell the poems was to sing it.
01:59:01.620 but sven bjorn biattinson has recordings of riemel on youtube yes i was just gonna say
01:59:09.820 and if we can get any of our people to link those up over in the side chat or even in the description
01:59:15.940 of the video or something um first sven bjorn is one of our heroes and we want to celebrate him
01:59:22.820 And it's special to be able to, you know, hear his voice echoing through time.
01:59:29.860 It's also just kind of a neat thing to listen to him do some of some Scaldic verse in in Reamer.
01:59:38.480 It's really kind of cool. And it's partially because it's not our native tongue.
01:59:47.900 It becomes meditative with its with its pacing.
01:59:52.200 And if any of you guys haven't checked that out, you absolutely should listen to all of it if you want.
01:59:58.640 At least listen to a taste of it so you know.
02:00:01.680 But you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you don't just check that out.
02:00:06.200 If not, just to get a taste.
02:00:13.780 Side note, I don't understand why the frozen version of me looks villainous, but I'll take it.
02:00:20.220 I enjoy it.
02:00:22.200 yeah so near near is new
02:00:29.640 um newness uh to be a new again so there is new near um so new council near rather or
02:00:45.440 ni um ni again is newness new ni and near are both referencing to new so new and new council um
02:00:57.880 it's it's very interesting and this whole part um is really one of those like wikipedia dives
02:01:06.100 or one of those metapedia dives or an etymological uh you can go to old norse dictionaries and kind
02:01:12.680 of um you know really delve deep into the names of the dwarves but i think this is a purposeful
02:01:20.200 section that was either it might have possibly been added in again to um
02:01:30.920 you know uh get the poet to practice there's a lot of confusion with it that this causes like
02:01:37.480 for instance um in stanza 12 there is near and near out and uh now i tell you of the dwarves
02:01:48.120 rayon or grouse which is uh swift council but rayon is interesting because somebody mentioned
02:01:54.920 i saw it in the side chat about when i was like oh i got a dragon and his name is fafnir if anybody's
02:02:00.280 familiar of course with that then you you know the idea is that is this the same regan or rayon
02:02:07.080 of that story are they correlating the two it's it's not entirely known
02:02:18.440 and then again these names seem to be repeating even items or even the the elder gods like there
02:02:29.000 is there is a builder or you know filter or burry again burry is mentioned but burry is of course
02:02:38.680 something that comes out of the ground or something that is out of the the substrate and then um you
02:02:45.000 know uh here in stanza 15 the dripping one and if anybody's familiar of course the lore of lord
02:02:54.920 Odin. Draupnir is the golden ring around his arm that drips nine, but this could be referencing to
02:03:01.820 the dripping of caves. There's a lot of theories on this section, and I'm not particularly trying
02:03:08.080 to point in any way, but I really feel that this was a part that was added in with the intention
02:03:16.440 of kind of showing what the poet can do by just memorizing and being able to kind of lay out the
02:03:23.660 litany um very very quickly so you know again a lot of the the uh the big thing i would say is
02:03:32.660 understanding like dashes above a's me meaning an owl sound a dash above a y is like a double e
02:03:42.380 sound uh if it's in the middle of a word um understanding what an ev is which looks like
02:03:48.860 a d with a line through it's like a t and a lowercase d that's actually the th sound um so
02:03:55.920 if you see that like they they translate it to frar f-r-a-r but it's if you look at the nordic
02:04:03.700 one there's an a dash above it so it's fraur and uh the r at the end is its own syllable so it's
02:04:12.480 it is most likely frauer because ours are uh often added as their own so to add something
02:04:19.840 to uh just the side chat the wolf throne is you know if you guys actually go through every stanza
02:04:25.920 and every poem in the poetic edit that would be so cool it will be so cool because we are
02:04:31.360 absolutely going to do that we're going to riddle them off one at a time um and we'll see what kind
02:04:37.760 of pacing and what we're going to do on that because you know i don't know how many wednesdays
02:04:42.960 in a row we we can have spawn on here per se but we're going to get that figured out and do that
02:04:49.120 and uh you said one episode for each poem that's a cool idea but they're very meaty and uh i think
02:04:55.200 that's a biting off a little bit more than we can choose so we're probably going to break several of
02:04:59.120 them up into uh multiple episodes like we're doing tonight but that is absolutely the plan
02:05:05.280 So stick with us and we will make that happen for you.
02:05:16.280 Let's see now.
02:05:23.280 I'm trying to think of, there is an interesting note here about Dvalin being the kind of originator of the dwarves
02:05:32.280 the dwarves, and that somehow he is the link between how the Dvergar attain runes,
02:05:39.440 and they're not necessarily mentioned as perhaps different runes, but are the runes that Odin
02:05:46.780 attains, and that somehow he attains them, which is another reason why
02:05:52.320 I wonder if there are stories, again, that are lost, especially in referencing
02:05:59.960 to the Dvergar, because if you were to give whole stanzas, I think that their empowerment
02:06:06.520 in stories has been lost just because of the evidence. It seems so,
02:06:14.560 you know, indicative of a lot of the poetics. And of course, we don't really see any of that
02:06:22.540 until um you know tolkien and his usage of the dwarves names um and that most likely i think
02:06:30.300 just really comes from his love of etymology and the idea uh that you know of bomber being the
02:06:37.180 kind of the the boisterous one and i know some people kind of turn their nose towards um
02:06:42.620 uh peter jackson's versions but i will note like bomber had a drum and i thought that was
02:06:49.820 really cool like they did a little bit of a nod towards the etymology of the name being like a
02:06:55.020 resounding sound so um i think that was really cool because i don't remember there him having
02:07:02.220 a drum in the uh in the books so but uh so we're so after the litany of the dvergar we we move
02:07:14.620 ourselves into the next stage of the the ordering and the actions of what is being committed are
02:07:25.500 starting to formulate things the slaying of emir and the the coming of the dwarves the coming of
02:07:31.900 the nornir and the coming of the dwarves but now there's also another thing that comes into being
02:07:36.780 is the West now starts to bring itself into the realm of, of, um, understanding. And it correlates
02:07:45.640 again, I've mentioned a thousand times natural law and the, and, and the, the cycle of life and
02:07:52.140 death and all things is now coming into the dominion under cosmic order, but it will not
02:07:59.000 come peacefully there has to be a kind of uh again a great battle and a a sense to overcome
02:08:08.760 so i i you know we're we're correct on stanza 21 right we
02:08:15.800 oh we're still doing we're we're still on the the throng of the dwarfs but um if we move to after
02:08:24.280 is it 17 let me see here just making sure we're all on the same page
02:08:36.000 oh yes sorry i skipped ahead um so after the litany of the of the dwarves and the list
02:08:50.840 uh you know the list of all the forbearers of lovar then it switches then from the throng
02:09:00.280 did three come forth from the home of the gods the mighty and gracious
02:09:08.440 two without fate on land they found ask an embla empty of might so they're speaking about
02:09:18.280 the tripartite of lord odin and at this point it's worth noting then from the throng then from
02:09:26.360 the great group of the gods three of them came so in the stories i kind of talk about the gods as
02:09:33.800 being young at this moment because i'm making reference to the time but that i also you know
02:09:40.840 know conceptualizing lord ovin in different times um but it's worth noting it out of the group of
02:09:48.080 them come three from the home of the gods from heaven the mighty and gracious they find on the
02:09:57.860 land two that are unfaded there's no might with no destiny ask and embla empty of orlog
02:10:08.960 that's an interesting point that in in the translation is empty of might but ask or
02:10:16.520 emble or log lausa without lost of orlog they don't have it they're not fated some other
02:10:25.380 translations say you know unfated yet and i think that's truly an interesting point is that
02:10:31.240 The idea of Orlog being passed down to us from birth, in an essence, it kind of starts with the formulation of the proto-folk, the Asken Umbla.
02:10:49.780 And so that breath and all of that starts the Orlog cycle.
02:10:54.020 And the naming, which is synonymous.
02:10:58.400 taking and this is is fundamental and we see it in our our naming right that we do to children
02:11:08.960 um but you can do this with an item i did this with relentless the afa sword at uh sigur bloat
02:11:17.600 affixing a name to something imbues it with a with an orlog with a hymenia with luck with a
02:11:29.440 sense of it being a separate being it not being a a thing but a
02:11:36.440 a named quantity and instead of a thing a someone and when you deal with objects obviously they're
02:11:47.980 not people nobody thinks that it's exactly the same it's not but the idea of affixing a name
02:11:54.340 to it makes it a separated thing from the world it's not
02:12:00.740 a sword it's not this sword it's not that sword this is relentless like these are not
02:12:08.240 just logs that came up on the seashore they're this they're that the other okay from this point
02:12:15.100 on this is ask this is embla and these are the gifts that we've given them at the time of their
02:12:22.320 naming and they bestowed gifts upon them at the point of their name and that's something that we
02:12:28.780 try to do in a way as well in our in our baby naming ritual
02:12:40.220 and i think it's um just noting on pronunciation anytime you see the o with two dots that's
02:12:47.420 starting to get replaced by an o with a small tail in a lot of the um translations but the
02:12:55.820 best way to think of it is when you see that o it's kind of an it's like sought it's an a u or
02:13:02.940 an o u sound so or and then when we talk about log we say like or log but or law because the g
02:13:13.980 is probably very very soft and throated so it again kind of correlates to er primordial law
02:13:24.540 but you know our law lawsa um again they may have throated the g a little bit more
02:13:35.260 old norse than they do in modern icelandic but it means primordial law or fate as that's often
02:13:44.220 translated. And from 17 to 18, there's again a great amount in talking about what makes Asken
02:13:56.860 Ambla and the proto-folk different is that they're given gifts that inexorably connect them to the
02:14:04.620 gods. And in a way, this is the dynamicism of Lord Odin. The tripartite unto himself,
02:14:17.800 the dynamic creator comes down, able to move between heaven and earth in, you know, and
02:14:24.760 manifest that kind of uh threshold and in doing so then taking um uh shape of and giving fate to
02:14:36.880 that which is unshaped and unfaded um and i i also joke not joke per se but in my stories i talk
02:14:45.700 about how the vana gods here in the middle realize that someone of great power has been
02:14:52.920 in the middle when they see this change, because it's often referred to that the Vanir are the
02:15:00.100 older gods or old gods. And then in essence, denoting that the folk, when they are created by
02:15:08.740 the Aesir, given that fate, they leave, they go back to the gods. And so they're left in the 0.97
02:15:16.560 middle to achieve, to, you know, make greatness. And perhaps the first mighty powers that they
02:15:24.280 interact with is the Vanir. And it is then later that the Aesir become known and prevalent, 0.81
02:15:33.340 the idea, the expanding, that which is above. So the first thing we learn is the powers of
02:15:39.000 natural law, the things that are inescapable, life, love, procreation, death, and legacy
02:15:47.940 of the cycles of life, hunting, eating, so on and so forth. It is then when the
02:15:55.400 Esir come in after that alignment that we begin to see greater understandings of things, 0.98
02:16:01.120 civilization law um you know things that we we attempt to create out of or possibly that are
02:16:10.400 intangible but yet you know we desire to make eternal so um they had not a soul they had not
02:16:22.960 um since they had not and again soul is interesting in there in the in the usage
02:16:30.000 because it's it's not it's breath the divine breath or the inspiration of breath uh obviously
02:16:36.080 if they direct translation they would have used the word sour but here they say owned
02:16:42.000 they did not have or uh bearing um they didn't have our heat nor motion nor goodly hue
02:16:54.000 so they're again lao lao ne leti ne leto goda so that they they are given
02:17:07.440 the the kind of correlation between will and physical movement are are seen in this is that
02:17:15.040 they have the ability to um move in accordance to their will and i think that's one key part
02:17:22.400 that i've always focused on is one of the things that truly makes us part of the gods is our
02:17:27.920 ability to transcribe describe or just even see ourselves in a place or future outside of our
02:17:38.560 fate that we can conceptualize because for most of the part we our understanding of animals is that
02:17:45.600 they in essence are built off of the reactions of other things they learn from their past and that
02:17:53.560 they don't conceptualize themselves obviously communication is a factor there um but the idea
02:17:59.260 is that most animals uh in studying learn from mistakes and that's an evolutionary thing in
02:18:07.740 which it's like oh i went down here and i got attacked i made it so now every time i go down
02:18:12.380 here, I'm going to be very, very cautious. Whereas for us, we can actually conceptualize
02:18:18.560 ourselves with thought. And so that's why in the Germanic language, you have the past, ran,
02:18:25.920 you have the present, run, and then you have the future, will, run. And it's such a uniquely
02:18:32.720 Germanic concept. The idea is that I will, I'm conceptualizing my will into an unknown fate.
02:18:42.380 And I think that's where things get really spicy and it's on purpose that the gods are talking about fate, but that humans are unique in their ability to kind of become nexuses of fate turning or perhaps vessels of dominion of the gods and that the gods can enact certain things through our being.
02:19:10.240 And so I think that plays out with asking the gods to witness us, to guide us, to give us wisdom and all of these things, as opposed to animals, which kind of, again, learn from the past and go forth in the present moment.
02:19:24.240 And that's a very kind of interesting part of that stanza 18.
02:19:32.100 and um they so they say heat
02:19:39.720 and i think that's interesting so um in the they talk about breath on the god
02:19:50.980 Odin. So breath
02:19:53.440 gives Odin.
02:19:55.320 Odh gav hyonur.
02:20:00.440 Odh
02:20:01.360 is like inspiration,
02:20:03.680 fury, and
02:20:04.900 the
02:20:06.760 buildup of things.
02:20:09.860 And lao is like
02:20:11.120 light
02:20:13.520 or color, as oftentimes
02:20:15.200 it's referred to as the coloring,
02:20:17.440 the lightness of
02:20:18.740 the eyes or the body
02:20:22.060 or just the color
02:20:23.420 and the shape
02:20:25.820 is another way
02:20:30.100 you can look at that in relation
02:20:32.260 to
02:20:32.740 I just found it interesting that Bellows used the word
02:20:36.080 heat
02:20:36.820 and I think that has more along
02:20:42.080 the lines of blood
02:20:43.160 blood and color
02:20:45.080 the willful manifestation
02:20:48.840 loather gave now uh i know right now some people are going to start to ask okay well we have odin
02:20:57.640 but what's up with uh hyoner and loather and the truth of this is is i i think that the audiences
02:21:05.240 of the our ancestors knew hyoner and loather as derivatives of villi and vey but that they
02:21:15.080 might have poetic meanings in correlation to what they're doing right now because remember
02:21:22.040 when we talk about sense hyonur is again the idea of um the formulation of sense
02:21:29.800 loether it has to do with again heat or formulation of of uh and so i think that
02:21:37.080 these are just derivatives or perhaps names that correlate specifically to
02:21:43.080 and that's why i oftentimes refer to lord odin as the tripartite of he is one but when he manifests
02:21:55.740 his will to an end he is three again that dynamic number um and so he is the three but the three are
02:22:05.740 him and they're enacting themselves on different levels whether and it's like the upper middle and
02:22:12.520 kind of lower level. It's the cosmic breath of life. It is the shaping or formulation and then
02:22:21.500 it too is like the color and the material, the substance of. And so it creates this strata once
02:22:29.500 again, which is hugely important, especially to most Aryan stories.
02:22:35.280 and we have we have a little bit of talk about that in the chat room while we're on the side
02:22:45.380 um romage says uh goodly hue question mark or divine color uh litugotha is more our ethnic
02:22:56.580 appearance i'd say lao heat or blue veins like the blues like a blue stream lao like
02:23:05.120 laogues, fate effectors, color that makes sense, still ethnic-related, blue-blooded Aryans.
02:23:14.540 I don't see the connection with blue so much. I do see the connections with life. And at this point, 0.54
02:23:22.780 I don't...
02:23:23.240 first, I don't disagree. I'm certainly as racially aware as everybody in the chat. I get it.
02:23:36.720 But that wasn't a necessary distinction to make when this was being written down. There wasn't a
02:23:42.400 lot of other groups of people to juxtapose ourselves to. One of the things that you see
02:23:50.260 with all of these things is the difference between the living and the dead mankind is different from
02:23:57.940 dead things because and you're right it does absolutely relate to the blood but to the blood
02:24:04.900 in the sense that it adds color one of the things and swan touched on this with blauen earlier when
02:24:11.140 talking about the dwarves blue was always associated with death um uh death blau uh the the
02:24:20.740 blue of of the corpse the difference is when a corpse has when a body has color
02:24:29.060 that's one of the ways that you know that it's living it's one of the things that you can kind
02:24:33.380 of see most you know most markedly in us and the paler our complexion is you see the difference
02:24:44.020 between you know blood in the cheeks and in the body or they've gone you know they've gone white
02:24:52.020 when the blood runs out or when the blood's drained so the idea of the life blood in it
02:24:58.260 making it vigorous making it life but also the will
02:25:04.260 and i mean animals have primitive will in a you know mate eat
02:25:14.660 you know friend or foe kind of thing but then the real thing
02:25:20.500 that breath of life the divine spark that odin gives is that which elevates us you know beyond
02:25:32.180 the dead things beyond the levels of living creatures into something that is more than the
02:25:40.000 rest of what occupies earth but less than what the gods are but of something similar so that the
02:25:46.540 the warmth and, and the blood that fills the cheeks. And yeah, I see the comment there,
02:25:56.160 ready cheeks and the warmth associated then. That's what Lao represents. I think so. I think
02:26:01.720 that goes along with the idea of, of heat. It's like when you're checking somebody to see if
02:26:06.980 they are dead, these are the things you're checking for. In the colors, Fawn mentions,
02:26:11.600 you know, the light in your eyes, there's a spark in the eyes of something living that's not present
02:26:16.360 something's dead one of the things that's kind of colloquially colloquially remarked
02:26:23.920 when you look at a corpse
02:26:29.380 the the spark of life and the that the um twinkle in the eye isn't there when you look at a living
02:26:39.160 person there's something in the eye that we pick up on in a very primal way and and I think this
02:26:46.060 again really beautiful imagery that this puts out on what animating these you know ask and embla these
02:26:53.820 these driftwood pieces
02:26:58.460 the trance the transforming them from dead to living to
02:27:02.700 being full of life and divine spark i think is a really special thing
02:27:06.620 well we find two there's a mention in stanza eight about the the um from far away the giant
02:27:22.100 maidens three huge of might out of jotunheim come and then there's kind of a switch and there may
02:27:26.780 have been an interpolation there but there's a clear and like a return to that or perhaps
02:27:33.660 you know, it was an understood kind of thing, you know, of what was mentioned before.
02:27:43.780 Let me see here, the double checking something.
02:27:51.600 Yeah, that, you know, it's coming again, a mentioning of the name, but let's first go into
02:28:00.860 an ash i know so again the the ask and umbler are umbler are given life and kind of set
02:28:12.500 out um and then it immediately cuts into an ash i know yggdrasil its name with water white
02:28:24.620 Is the great tree wet?
02:28:28.820 Thence come the dews that fall in the dales.
02:28:33.420 Green by earth's well, does it ever grow?
02:28:39.880 So a couple of things on this one.
02:28:43.280 Immediately the ash, the utilization of the ash.
02:28:47.360 Many of us could pick apart when we talk about the concepts of the axis mundi,
02:28:53.600 whether the axis mundi is like visualized in the center visualized in the upper and again never
02:28:59.900 really visualized in the lower at all because again the farther and lower things go
02:29:06.100 the dominion of cosmic order starts to dissipate and so what we find is the ash tree i think is
02:29:16.120 very significant to the norse the idea that the possible we talked about this with um with iwaz
02:29:23.480 the rune of the yew tree and the idea that the yew tree had great significance but i think that
02:29:29.800 the ash is specifically chosen because of the root system and the idea of how far spreading the root
02:29:36.740 system is um because that comes into such a great importance as we go but uh an ash i know
02:29:45.540 igdrasil it's name with water white um this is the the sprinkling of the water in relation to
02:29:54.740 when the norns are spoken of speak of of wetting the roots of the tree while in heaven they keep it
02:30:02.660 afresh and anew, and dew springs from its leaves. And we talk about this, and I kind of correlate
02:30:10.920 that when we talk about ascension and the soul returning, that root in the lower world,
02:30:19.300 in Verjelmer, that drawing up from the realm of where the folk soul is, is that the Yggdrasil is
02:30:27.980 kind of like an ordering system a way of um stratifying life and dominion in the realm of
02:30:36.400 the gods and they too can control that happening the nornir control it the gods control it
02:30:42.980 they oftentimes employ the that moment of when the when the dew falls from the tree as i
02:30:49.680 um talk of in relation to the idea of the returning of that soul might during from ascension
02:30:59.700 and so you know when then comes the dews that fall in the dales and then uh this is also
02:31:07.560 referring to just the the moisture of actual dew and it it's mentioned that it's the the spittle of
02:31:16.640 um nani's um horse who is unnamed um a lot of people get it confused with rimfaxi which is
02:31:26.720 poetically connected to uh not the uh um heavenly warden of night um but she uh so in this part you
02:31:39.440 know they're kind of again making reference to the the moisture and the life and the the things that
02:31:45.120 grow and the things that manifest without being seen it's it's very kind of akin to
02:31:51.840 the power of things being unseen and then becoming tangible and there it is kept evergreen
02:32:02.000 at others brunni erds well and it's mentioned again in the in the guild forgetting is
02:32:09.040 where that is is in heaven so thus the base of the tree in the center is it's the center of the
02:32:18.760 center it's the middle of heaven and that is entirely connected to everything that goes around
02:32:27.640 it including the middle and the lower and this is where we get into having to extend things too far
02:32:32.680 at some point it because it is not a literal tree at some point you can
02:32:44.520 freak out about literalities of things because it does serve as a connection between all the
02:32:51.720 different worlds but the idea that it's tended it's watered and it's rooted in the divine
02:32:58.360 is very important and that it's rooted in the upper and that that goes to these other worlds
02:33:05.400 is is meaningful in and of itself but the more you try to force it into being a literal tree
02:33:12.840 and you start wondering why some pieces are in different places i think you end up doing a
02:33:20.280 disservice if you're not the things that they specifically mention their locations
02:33:28.360 They're specifically making that point for a reason, and that's the things to focus on, I believe.
02:33:37.300 And yeah, that divineness of being the upper and the things that disseminate to the middle and to the lower for reasons and the movements.
02:33:45.940 And we see that a lot in other Aryan stories and mythoses. Again, the striker in manifestation never steps into the underworld unless it's bad or the end of things, but is fighting things coming out of the earth, the chthonic serpent, if you will.
02:34:07.040 So I think a lot of the desperation towards, you know, making the roots in the lower, all of the roots in the lower loses the entire point of understanding that Yggdrasil is in the upper and manifests much of its power in the whole dynamic of the Nornir and the gods and the counseling seats and the, you know, the watering of the roots is that all of that descends down from the upper world. 0.54
02:34:33.800 And I think that that is, you know, very Aryan if we're talking about the gods of Olympus or, you know, high upon the crags and their fate is kind of, you know, disseminated out or that they gather to witness these things. 0.57
02:34:51.020 And I think you could make an argument that perhaps Snorri is pulling from Hellenistic ideas.
02:34:56.900 I mean, he clearly does numerous times throughout most of the poems, but it's not super clear.
02:35:04.380 And yet, at the same time, because they are branched families of the Europeans, you know, there's clear parallelisms that are throughout because of the way things are structured.
02:35:19.440 So you can't really, you know, I think split hairs, but I think it's, again, more important to understand where things are and why things are there, as opposed to trying to conceptualize that it's standing on four pillars or there's a table or.
02:35:35.460 Well, something else that I think is important and meaningful is you can't – a lot of people will approach our lore and Ausitru generally as some kind of a literary extrapolation.
02:36:02.760 And so they're treating these things as elements in a story as opposed to an expression of divine truth.
02:36:20.620 And the difference may not seem as obvious, but going from the mundane and the debased and trying to
02:36:50.620 build our gods from it is very different and leads to very different conclusions
02:36:59.900 than taking actual gods that exist in the higher in the the astral and trying to understand them
02:37:13.460 So trying to project our stuff onto the gods may in a lot of ways look similar, but the details are really different.
02:37:28.600 When we're trying to go from human baseness and project the gods out from that, it's very different than taking the gods for who the gods are and trying to understand them as best we can.
02:37:43.020 trying to reach up towards them as opposed to trying to bring them down to our level
02:37:48.060 and that's a really fundamental difference if you approach our lore as if it's you know
02:37:56.300 comic book characters written by you know ancient proto stan lee it's a very different thing than
02:38:05.100 trying to realize that our ancestors were trying to express higher truths of the gods
02:38:16.860 in a way that would make sense to folk and with imagery that people would understand
02:38:22.940 and just thinking about that as a touchstone every time something doesn't make sense or every time
02:38:30.060 you want to make a leap err on the side of trying to understand the gods as opposed to
02:38:35.740 trying to project a story and i think it would it would help a lot
02:38:49.420 well and uh to go into the etymology a little bit i saw on the on the side here
02:38:53.580 here. Yggdrasil, the horse of Odin. Again, the Yggr is why GGR is one of the Haiti of Lord Odin,
02:39:08.160 and it means the terrible or the awesome, the kind of fear or emotional responding sense of like
02:39:18.940 that you're dealing with something of great power.
02:39:23.260 And Dressil is kind of a combination of thrumming or repetition
02:39:30.960 or hoof beats, if you will,
02:39:34.700 and the idea that Yggdrasil is being referred to as Odin's horse.
02:39:40.980 And that is clearly in correlation to Odin upon Yggdrasil in heaven attaining the runes and traveling beyond the reaches of even the gods and finding out things of great importance beyond even some of their capabilities.
02:40:03.220 And so it's like his riding of the horse. I think that's really important as to another reason why Yggdrasil is this place, this center point of heaven becomes a focal point for the gods to commit their acts of regency over things in the middle, but also what they're doing in the upper.
02:40:27.760 Some of the stuff that they're doing there
02:40:30.400 Involves again
02:40:32.180 Learning and growing and encapsulating
02:40:34.340 Ideas
02:40:34.960 Yeah
02:40:38.700 But they brought up a point
02:40:41.380 Is Yggdrasil
02:40:43.020 The folk or the soul
02:40:46.300 Of the folk
02:40:46.940 I think that we can start to look at the analogous
02:40:50.640 Of is Baldur the folk soul
02:40:52.820 Is Yggdrasil the folk soul
02:40:54.460 I think one of the key things about
02:40:56.340 Yggdrasil is that it's deeply rooted in the primordial and the unknown even to the point 0.63
02:41:02.340 where the death of a Asa on the tree allows him to infuse his soul into the reaches of where it goes
02:41:13.240 is kind of what is being played out there is the idea that Odin and Yggdrasil become one and the
02:41:20.940 roots so deep and the roots so far and the mysteries of it so unknown that it that he sees
02:41:28.340 the orchestrated beginning of all elements coming together well i'd like to just kind of touch on
02:41:36.240 something on the side too that i think is really relevant and we're laying down a lot of foundational
02:41:41.120 things in this episode and i think that's appropriate i know it's taken us a while to get
02:41:45.920 through a relatively small amount of text but it's not text it's text explaining you know
02:41:54.080 the fundamentals of existence so i think it's really important um real mage is over in the chat
02:42:05.120 taking some
02:42:05.920 far extrapolations and i want to comment on that because i don't
02:42:16.480 i think we just need to be clear in our heads um
02:42:27.040 recognizing commonality in things that you've experienced in things in your life
02:42:33.920 in things in history with pieces of our lord is completely and totally legitimate appropriate and
02:42:42.960 we all should do that there is a difference between that and supposing that that was the intent
02:42:51.840 of the writer of the poetry if that makes sense so for example you um vromage made a point about
02:43:03.920 um shoot now it's lost back in the thing i gotta scroll back but basically uh about yggdrasil
02:43:14.000 and how that's an ash and ask also means ash so maybe yggdrasil is ask from the earlier stanza
02:43:25.520 as in the folk soul of our people that odin can work through and do stuff
02:43:29.520 that doesn't have to have been the intent of the poet to be a meaningful revelation
02:43:39.200 that certainly is referred to that odin rides through the souls of men he rides through our
02:43:47.620 souls through our dreams he animates our souls we see that reinforced in our work time and time
02:43:53.900 again and if that's a poetic way that's meaningful to you to illustrate that or personify that that's
02:44:00.620 completely appropriate i don't think we see that as a as a textural thing there but we certainly
02:44:06.460 see that when we talk about odin literally breathing inspiration and the breath of life
02:44:11.260 into our ancestor the what kind of tree people are made out of versus the same kind of tree as
02:44:19.980 as yggdrasil becomes a redundancy at that point so any of these things if they're inspiring
02:44:28.460 meaningful thoughts to you cool just like the thing i said about the blueness of you know aryan
02:44:34.700 nobility having blue blood and this and that no i don't think that's what the text was saying
02:44:39.660 because there was no context for it there is context for it now and there is context for it
02:44:44.780 in your life certainly the whole point is the creation of us and because we're a folk faith
02:44:51.820 not the creation of other groups of people other races of people but ours so if you associate
02:44:59.260 distinctively you know aryan qualities to that after the fact that's also completely legitimate
02:45:08.780 and i'm i don't mean to take away from that at all so please don't get that from anything that
02:45:13.500 that i'm saying in response to your questions
02:45:18.060 and that that kind of brings back to what you were saying about the perennial truth
02:45:22.700 and kind of also what i was saying is that the intention of the audience at the time and the
02:45:28.140 speaker of the time also has layers that are relevant to even us today in relation to the
02:45:36.060 the way that we perceive them again the ash of ask and embla and then the ash of igdrasil and
02:45:43.380 then to odin being the bear the giver of the soul and also bearing upon it odr or inspiration that
02:45:51.140 has a lot of power it's legitimate connecting again and i think that's some of the stuff that
02:45:58.500 is really good about our lore is that our lore isn't in like completely it's everyone's arguing
02:46:06.620 over the translations in christianity because it's supposed to be infallible and uh beyond
02:46:13.280 uh reproach but yet you have all of these kind of uh you know translations whereas ours comes
02:46:20.800 off as it is a perennial truth story uh that has its merit in many different ways for many
02:46:29.960 different reasons and that's i think an honest approach to metanarratives that some other
02:46:35.680 religions don't uh take on so there's one more question that's relating to this stanza so i want
02:46:43.900 hit that before we move on um also from vroomage uh horse and drums question mark germanic shamanism
02:46:53.180 question mark what our word was for that whatever our word was for that
02:47:01.340 do you have anything to add on that i really from where i'm sitting don't other than i know
02:47:08.540 that the horse is a common drum motif that i've seen and i don't know how modern or ancient that
02:47:15.580 is well and that's kind of i'm kind of doing something in relation to that i i'm i'm uh
02:47:24.060 i'm looking i'm looking at i'm looking it up because i was i was thinking like man we
02:47:31.100 of course we compound words i talked about compounding words and splitting things up so
02:47:35.820 So, you know, looking up Drazil by itself is an interesting point to kind of see if there's anything in relation.
02:47:46.960 It's not always the case, but I was looking for it, and, you know, I'm in Draumer.
02:47:55.180 I'm in the dreams right now.
02:47:59.320 I just want to say that's the point of connectivity.
02:48:01.540 um again i don't think that's what's put forward by the by the poem but i do think okay so
02:48:10.900 i'm gonna go on i'm gonna go on a tangent here and uh as a as a favor to spawn while he does
02:48:19.140 his research but not really i think i want to wax poetic on this and i'm
02:48:25.860 for Cayman Jack's Inn.
02:48:29.600 So one of the things to think about
02:48:36.380 is how divine truth was given to our ancestors.
02:48:41.360 It's a process, and we don't have the story in our lore,
02:48:46.520 nor do we claim to,
02:48:47.900 that, you know, Odin visited Olaf in a cave
02:48:56.080 and magically inspired him to write down something.
02:49:02.440 You know, Sven didn't go up on a mountain somewhere
02:49:06.960 and Odin, like, write stuff himself on some tablets and give it to him.
02:49:13.720 we don't have that moment in our lore and i don't it's because that's not how it's worked for our
02:49:22.640 folk realistically when and and that's the thing is tracing it back in your head when did that
02:49:29.400 happen where did this originally come from very likely these stories evolved over time
02:49:38.940 as truths were unveiled to ancient Gothar over periods of time,
02:49:47.880 through inspiration, through dreams, through visions,
02:49:54.180 through moments of divine clarity.
02:49:59.060 Because it's not...
02:50:00.940 there's probably some really fancy seminary terms for this that i don't have there's a difference
02:50:11.540 between something that a god wrote versus something that a god dictated exactly versus
02:50:18.980 something that was inspired from the gods our lore is certainly inspired from the gods
02:50:26.060 but as has always been the case
02:50:28.740 and as is the case
02:50:30.640 this evening
02:50:31.440 Gothar of our folk
02:50:33.720 guided by
02:50:36.580 their experience
02:50:37.680 by their interactions with the gods
02:50:40.360 by piety
02:50:41.260 have
02:50:42.860 compiled things
02:50:46.140 and built upon things
02:50:47.820 to illustrate truths
02:50:50.360 that have proven themselves
02:50:52.620 self-evident in the souls
02:50:54.660 of our leaders since the dawn of time and i think that that's true and be in it's perennial to us in
02:51:03.540 the sense that it recurs we see these things happening a lot of times when you see coincidence
02:51:09.860 and synchronicities happening they're not just random they're reflections of inherent truths
02:51:19.060 that maybe get discovered in different ways or at different times
02:51:23.860 but finding these points of connectivities and i think the idea of horses on
02:51:31.700 on drums when you're doing a shamanic as it's called sometimes faring forth experience to
02:51:39.060 travel to the worlds i think that harkens back to that fundamental truth in a different way
02:51:46.900 but I don't think it was the intention per se of the poet who compiled this but
02:51:55.360 these things come up again and again because the truth speaks in our folk
02:51:59.680 soul and our gods speak to us some of us can hear them clearer than others
02:52:05.400 sometimes they speak to certain people louder than they speak to others but
02:52:10.340 it's a living relationship yeah i'm still uh i went through the uh
02:52:27.620 old norse dictionary and i went through some other another old book that i have here on
02:52:32.420 old icelandic and um i'm not finding it so that's interesting i really want to see that
02:52:38.260 that etymology and make sure because you know in reference to the horse when you go online but
02:52:44.580 sometimes looking in and double checking multiple sources could be again uh analogous of something
02:52:52.900 else um you know uh it's interesting when you look up like the yew tree versus uh the terrible
02:53:04.340 one versus things that are folded all of them have very similar uh linguistic structures so
02:53:11.700 it's like i'm always like kind of double checking triple checking to make sure and i haven't quite
02:53:17.700 gotten it so i'm gonna have to look up that more as we go especially just about the etymology but
02:53:25.460 But I couldn't find anything simply as Drassil.
02:53:29.180 So, but let's see.
02:53:32.340 We are on stanza 20.
02:53:38.400 Three maidens, thence comes the maidens, mighty in wisdom.
02:53:46.100 Three from the dwelling down underneath the tree.
02:53:51.880 Earth is one named.
02:53:53.380 and oh well i'll say the whole stanza and then i'll get to that earth is one named verdandi the
02:53:59.460 next on the wood they scored and scald the third laws they made there and life allotted
02:54:09.300 to the sons of men and set their fates so one of the things that i think is really important to
02:54:17.860 understand in those first two lines is the dwelling beneath the tree i believe is when the
02:54:24.100 nornir set themselves up in heaven when they set themselves at the base of the tree there it's kind
02:54:31.540 of hinting towards the idea that they they live underneath it like under perhaps like in a a cave
02:54:40.420 or a housing structure of sorts underneath the splitting roots they have set themselves up there
02:54:48.340 because they're already mentioned before in verse eight but now we're starting to see that they have
02:54:53.860 established themselves there um and who exactly they are is what we're going into now so you know
02:55:02.660 uh earth named is one so earth is of course it's the the primordial start the old of things and i
02:55:18.820 think that really correlates again to fate and time and how weird orlog and the marking of time
02:55:26.820 The marking of time is really just chronologically measuring fate or destiny or that which is coming into being.
02:55:42.920 Time, in a way, is very much the verdhandi of all that has happened in the past.
02:55:48.060 And those two create the debt.
02:55:53.080 Skold is debt.
02:55:56.820 a price to be paid. In essence, that our deeds create a result and those results
02:56:05.460 correlate to other things. And eventually, you know, it's, it's kind of, again, a building of
02:56:10.960 it. I think that I can't remember who stated it, but they were, they were talking about weird as
02:56:17.160 like, if you, if you ride a horse, then you're more likely to fall than someone who never rides
02:56:23.680 a horse. And so the understanding of it is, is the deeds you commit, the life you live,
02:56:31.120 the people you surround yourself with allocate you towards destinies and what that can bear
02:56:37.360 forth. So if you surround yourself with, you know, failure or misery or depression or what
02:56:44.880 have you, then the outcomes of, of that fate and that destiny is often what, you know,
02:56:51.460 that's what kind of fruits will that bear? And so, um, this is, uh, I know how I take this kind
02:57:00.680 of this stanzas about the setting, the fates of men. Um, some people, this is the one that really
02:57:07.440 gets people into the argument of free will versus destiny or fatalism. And, um, uh, I think some
02:57:15.760 fatalists believe that will is again in essence just a smaller part of the overall measurement
02:57:24.660 of everything um the inevitable as it is to come um but it is worth noting that by name alone earth
02:57:32.500 is the old other verdandi is that which is coming into being right now so kind of like a it's not
02:57:42.320 present it's seen as coming out of everything that has happened before it and then scold is
02:57:50.960 not the future it's the debt of your deeds so she is you know mother scold is as the the the um
02:58:00.960 the plots on the unknown that you end up weaving towards and i think that's really their true power
02:58:09.140 um and the the laws uh again their law law there they laid the laws and i'm again i think this is
02:58:23.400 a point of cosmic order i know we're using uh romanish words or latinish words but i think
02:58:31.520 that that's where we're talking about the laws of everything descending from the upper realm
02:58:36.020 So naturally, everything's going to gravitate towards either being in alignment or opposed to the central axis of the gods.
02:58:43.600 so one of the other things that i think is fundamental
02:58:48.480 the concept of a debt created by action certainly and also just
02:58:56.880 the name should you know not what's going to happen but what is projected
02:59:04.160 by the first two of the Nornir.
02:59:14.140 What came before what is currently happening as a result
02:59:19.140 and where that's headed.
02:59:22.600 And I think that there is profound currents
02:59:26.420 set into play by actions that lead towards
02:59:29.820 a certain fate or a certain destiny,
02:59:33.040 me. But again, if we, and this goes back to a similar thing, and I'm not expressing it as
02:59:42.880 cleanly as I'd like. Oh, fate. Well, what that means is I don't have free will and you don't
02:59:50.420 have choice and everything's just predestined. Therefore, our ancestors must have believed that
02:59:56.180 doesn't make any sense, but they must do because that's what the word means. Therefore, that's how
03:00:01.680 these silly ancient people did religion instead if we understand that our ancestors are real 0.91
03:00:12.480 people practicing an actual faith that exists that makes sense human beings 0.96
03:00:20.020 know that doesn't make sense they realize that free will has to have an interplay
03:00:27.820 it's preposterous to think otherwise no one has ever thought otherwise different groups of i say
03:00:37.760 that some some christian groups have thought otherwise because they've had to do the mental
03:00:45.000 gymnastics i talked to i talked about at the beginning of the show
03:00:48.380 but we all know that free will plays a role
03:00:53.340 like you can do any experiment on your own right now just to like you know quick scratch your ear
03:01:01.500 ah did the norms decree that and it becomes silly very quickly but it doesn't when you look at the
03:01:08.720 idea of the directionality of what has happened leading to what is currently being experienced
03:01:17.120 And by those two combined, a projection towards a likely outcome if you stay that course.
03:01:27.620 Without free will, there's no real context to existence.
03:01:32.900 And there's certainly no such thing as heroism or cowardice if there's no free will.
03:01:37.460 And we know that both of those things were extremely important to our ancestors.
03:01:47.120 that i the the subject of of this of destiny and free will is an interesting one and i i really
03:01:59.920 love i also i yeah completely slipping my you know mind was yeah the the the should
03:02:09.280 scald that which is that that correlation between it's it's um verdandi is that the choke point
03:02:18.100 between all of the deeds that you're heading towards and all of the deeds that have passed
03:02:23.760 you and again that i think the component of that singular threshold that everything's passing
03:02:31.800 through is your your will which is given to us by the gods so well and one of the things that's
03:02:41.160 worth considering and i've talked about this a lot before when we've talked about um
03:02:49.160 weird and orlog as concepts
03:02:53.560 there are people who are dealt a really crappy hand
03:02:56.920 their ancestors have laid down terrible things in well various other things have happened to where
03:03:06.400 they you know are crippled either in mind or in body or born into a terrible family or an
03:03:13.840 impoverished horrible situation they are directed towards failure and inglorious nothingness and
03:03:23.380 worthlessness if they are able to overcome that current through heroic action and through will
03:03:32.560 to power to make themselves something better that is heroic and worthy of saga and that leaves a
03:03:39.160 better or log for their descendants that presents itself due to that situation we typically think
03:03:47.200 of destiny as something great that you're destined towards and I I wish that for all of our folk but
03:03:53.080 that's not the case there's some and we've seen this this is one of the biggest things
03:03:59.000 that rankles me um one
03:04:08.120 one gift that's sometimes a curse i suppose
03:04:14.600 that i have in some ways been blessed with in my experiences i'll tear you go for you is
03:04:19.480 is I can see potential in people and I can see where they might lead or what
03:04:34.360 sometimes I have a glimpse of a certain amount of greatness in certain people and to see people
03:04:45.340 not embrace their destiny when i know the potential is there is tragic to see people
03:04:54.060 that aren't necessarily destined for greatness overcome and make themselves amazing is really
03:05:02.100 awesome to see it's very difficult to watch people that you see a tremendous potential in
03:05:11.200 and then watch them squander it for a variety of reasons.
03:05:17.840 But I think we all see that sometimes to one degree or another.
03:05:21.840 We see somebody that has, that are on a trajectory towards greatness
03:05:27.460 that have, are just brimming forth with a quality
03:05:32.880 that you know is capable of such amazing things.
03:05:37.080 But especially in the world we live in, in the wolf age,
03:05:40.440 we see people get off track on that quite a bit and not get to achieve their destiny so
03:05:48.300 again there's a projected path and i've talked about this as a
03:05:54.120 fundamental to magic practice for a long time to attract synchronicities to you through consistent
03:06:03.680 right action aligns you with weird and aligns you with opportunities towards destiny. And if
03:06:12.020 your destiny is crap, then you want to look for opportunities to nudge that the right direction 0.98
03:06:20.060 and nudge that to something better. If your destiny is amazing, then you want to see when 0.98
03:06:26.020 those opportunities present themselves and capitalize with it. And that site, the ability
03:06:33.080 to see those moments and to seize them is a fundamental in somebody's um
03:06:41.240 magical efficacy of their might
03:06:56.520 so
03:06:57.080 this is something we are. So now we're at, we're on verse 20. We got the last
03:07:03.900 five as we're going to 25. So really starting to dial in. This is again,
03:07:10.620 the alignment between cosmic order and natural law and the great
03:07:20.440 interplay between, I think, chthonic forces of natural instinct versus loftier, more pronounced
03:07:34.620 ideas above, you know, the needs and desires of just the individual or the heart or the emotional
03:07:45.480 self um in stanza 21 uh the the war i remember the first in the world when the gods with spears 0.97
03:08:01.520 had smitten gold they gold lust or gold thirster and in the hall of whore had burned her whore 0.77
03:08:12.700 of course, being a, or Haur, is how it's, it says H-O-R, but it's not. It's Haur in the Old Norse, 0.98
03:08:21.100 H-A with a dash over it, R-S, Haur, the high one, Odin's Hall. Three times burned, three times
03:08:31.600 born, often again, yet ever she lives. So this is where we start to, again, in the Guilfaginning,
03:08:41.500 There's more of elaboration on this, but this is the point in which Golvay comes from the middle world up into the heavens.
03:08:55.020 and here she brings with her i i think the intent is absolutely to see if how the might of the gods
03:09:04.480 is and to not face the might of the gods in in uh war or in um testament of strength she's bringing
03:09:14.740 something else there's a cunning sense and again i think that interplays with an idea of chthonic
03:09:20.380 powers is that they have a tendency to work subtly and they don't work with will and they
03:09:26.040 don't work with might and they don't work. They work more through, again, a passiveness. And this
03:09:33.400 can apply in a lot of things. This could be the interplay between masculine manifestation and
03:09:38.960 feminine, I guess, manifestation, but through perhaps passive means. But there's also an
03:09:47.960 interplay between natural law and cosmic order. Natural law is cyclical. It's a wave. It's an up
03:09:54.360 and a down. There's cycles and circles. Cosmic order, I always kind of associated with either
03:10:00.180 being more like a pillar or like an arch. And the idea of the eternal either holding its position
03:10:06.600 or arcing over the waves of time. And so that's really what is kind of coming into the interplay
03:10:14.960 here. And of course, they're making clear, you know, points of interest, especially with the
03:10:22.320 being thrice born of the fire, burned, pierced by the spears, because if anyone's familiar with
03:10:29.340 the story, and that's another thing worth noting, is the Volospow is referencing other poems
03:10:36.320 constantly. I don't know. I mean, obviously, we've said this a couple times, but I guess it's
03:10:41.100 make it clear and so it is a condensed version with leanings towards and was referred to often
03:10:49.260 in like the guild beginning where they would say a stanza from the from another poem um and this
03:10:56.620 really did create an interplay or a network of poetry um that allowed poets to kind of
03:11:04.060 of pull from other things, or in essence, kind of force them to learn more than just the one,
03:11:10.740 one thing, because they were all kind of intertwined and, and didn't really stand on
03:11:16.000 their own. But here we have, as she, you know, she comes into the halls of the gods, she comes
03:11:26.900 into the hall of, of, uh, Haur, the high one. Um, you know, she's branded on spears. She's,
03:11:36.380 she's, uh, thrown into the fire and she's born a new, she becomes, she goes through this process
03:11:44.520 and then she is known by her, her heighty then is, is, uh, he, the shining one. Um,
03:11:52.260 And here is it. It's truly interesting. I love this. This verse is heath. They named her who sought their home, the wide seeing which in magic wise minds she bewitched that were moved by her magic to evil women, a joy she was.
03:12:15.700 so one of the things that's really interesting is they call her heave and um again the process
03:12:25.320 of the of the burning but it's worth knowing too that like um the uh the volu or the she's a volva
03:12:35.700 is well, she is well-versed and wide-seeing of many things. She's wise, or vithihon ganda,
03:12:46.860 ganda is magic. It's like, it's, it's, yeah, that understanding. She is
03:12:54.800 a friend of those who are of the mind of like ill or towards what I think is really being
03:13:06.840 portrayed here is the difference between creating willful manifestation and deed to people who seek
03:13:13.560 to kind of hedge things in their favor. And that is, again, I think very, very allegoric to
03:13:21.660 Golvey and process of greed, the idea of the, the bending and shaping towards your fortune or
03:13:29.160 your favor in your way. And I think again, to, to contextualize, um, uh, like her two evil women,
03:13:45.560 Um, it's mentioned in the, in the old Norse, uh, translation is 1.00
03:13:51.700 and so it's, again, that's not the, uh, cause horn is, is, is women, but, uh, like she 0.96
03:14:06.340 bewitches or turns people's minds towards things they they seek to gain and again through perhaps 0.99
03:14:16.700 deception or turning fate to hedge fortune towards you without manifesting i think is um
03:14:24.240 what is ultimately being said but it's going through the mode of witchcraft and and women
03:14:31.500 doing things in this kind of more mystical or what we often joke around and say is like the
03:14:36.940 the uh you know the the hoodoo or the women the women's spooky girl magic spooky girl magic that's
03:14:45.260 it spooky girl magic um is i think the direct reference that they're pulled towards but i i
03:14:53.100 really find a lot of connection between gold vey in the the lusting for gold or the thirsting for
03:15:00.460 gold. And that this is kind of referencing towards the usage of spinning fate to turn
03:15:09.280 towards benefit without manifesting by will. And that's what seems to be kind of laid out
03:15:15.800 in these stanzas as they juxtapose each other. There are people that mark the fates. The fates
03:15:23.080 of man are marked by their deeds. But Golvey is often sought for those who do not wish to
03:15:28.940 manifest their deeds. They, they attempt to twist things in their favor. Um, 0.93
03:15:36.540 um, yeah. And then, so this next part is, is interesting because we speak of in verse 23,
03:15:47.260 on the host, his spear did Othyn hurl. So I, I, um, I think this, this one is really interesting
03:16:00.120 in that he, as the Lord Othyn throwing his spear over the army, they're referencing now the battle
03:16:11.380 that becomes of this in other, in the other, um, stories and in the guild forgetting, we understand
03:16:16.900 that with Golvey being slain three times and then she flees the hall, it's then that the gods of
03:16:29.200 above realize that this act is not going to be met kindly by the Vanir. And this, I think, 0.93
03:16:38.320 really does start to show some of the kind of political machinations that our ancestors at
03:16:45.260 the time would really understand is you know this this um person comes in they cause a lot of trouble
03:16:50.800 and you deal with that person and then you have to deal with the repercussions again because they
03:16:57.660 don't know uh the reasons why you did it or perhaps they they do know you you at this point
03:17:05.700 it's like well we've committed to this now is the time for war and i think this is ultimately um
03:17:11.840 that alignment of cosmic uh order and and natural law is inevitable actions that bear forth
03:17:21.080 what is to come um so you know over over the uh the host odin throws his spear and i think this
03:17:31.180 is again to a reference to um the idea of throwing a spear at your enemies and saying that you know
03:17:37.360 the victory, the gods of victory, the God of victory, uh, and your souls are, you know,
03:17:43.160 they're owned, um, by him. And I think that was a practice that was probably known well,
03:17:51.680 but especially by the upper crust of society who fought the wars, the, uh, the nobility were
03:17:57.660 expected to, you know, show up on the battlefields. And I think that in a lot of ways, these poems
03:18:02.620 are directed greatly towards them and this was clearly a sign that a war was about to begin
03:18:09.420 and um uh so odin hurls his his spear over the the vanir as they come and uh the wall that is
03:18:21.840 you know girdles the the god's home is broken so you know then in the world did the first war come
03:18:28.260 the wall that girdled the gods was broken, and the field by the warlike wanes was trodden.
03:18:35.020 Now, it's worth noting to the vanir, the wanes, they use the word wane, which is really, really 0.69
03:18:40.300 cool. It's an old English word, and it means, again, denoting towards natural law, cycles,
03:18:47.060 the rise, and ultimately the fall, this cyclical nature of growing big and receding, or going
03:18:54.040 forward and falling back or going up and going down the vanir the name of the vanir is the
03:19:00.520 waning ones or the ones that wane they go up they come down they they go out they come in
03:19:06.200 everything is cyclical in their relation and so the idea is outside of ausgard in the fields
03:19:14.060 in the world outside there is a great war outside of that place again kind of noting to the idea
03:19:22.140 that heaven is more than just Ausgar, and that the gods battle with them, and the walls of
03:19:31.640 the heavenly abode of the gods is broken. And of course, this, again, leads towards another
03:19:39.940 story of the rebuilding of the walls. But it's interesting. So in verse 24,
03:19:50.500 then sought the gods, their assembly seats, the holy ones, and counsel held whether the gods
03:19:58.500 should tribute give or to all alike should worship belong. That I think is really interesting
03:20:07.000 because this again starts the spread of the unification of the Vanir and the Esir
03:20:16.200 become known as a singular entity at this point.
03:20:23.980 Of course, we know the stories of the tribute
03:20:25.880 and of Mimir and his head being lost
03:20:29.680 and placed in the, or, you know,
03:20:31.540 being severed and placed in the well and all of that.
03:20:34.420 But this one, I think, too, contextualizes it really well.
03:20:38.360 The gods gathered a council.
03:20:39.940 And I think this is more also to referring
03:20:42.160 to the Vanir and the Esir coming to a peace council, realizing that either side needs to be
03:20:50.000 aligned, not oversought to each other. And when they do so, they create the whole of the gods
03:20:58.080 that we as folk honor. And it's clearly seen from there on out. It's mentioned numerous times in
03:21:04.160 which Freyja is referred to as a Vanadis, but then Freyja is also referred to as the brightest
03:21:11.840 or most beloved of the ouse so that the word and usage of of um gods or god is given to both but i
03:21:23.760 think it's worth noting that if you think of the vanir as the waning ones it shows which
03:21:31.040 correlation of power they come from do they come from natural law or do they come from cosmic order
03:21:38.920 And I think that's a better way of looking at them and how they come into alignment together.
03:21:49.360 That's something that's confusing to a lot of people.
03:21:52.120 I had a guy I was speaking to just the other day ask me about that.
03:21:57.800 um people think that there is a distinction between isir and vanir and
03:22:10.600 there's no real evidence that that was ever the case in the historical period pretty much as soon
03:22:17.160 as they are mentioned they talk about this war it is resolved and from that point on
03:22:24.440 their their icier that
03:22:30.280 but it's enough to cause confusion because again again i think people
03:22:39.720 are reading it as a
03:22:46.840 work of fiction i think cheapens it but they're exploring it as a literary
03:22:52.920 pursuit and not a religious pursuit and i think those are two really different ways to try to
03:22:58.440 make sense of the story the truth here isn't about you know
03:23:08.920 woodsy old wise gods fighting shiny new you know
03:23:14.360 aryan horse lords and like how that works out no the truth is about as swan has mentioned many times
03:23:26.440 tonight about the reconciling between cosmic order and natural law and how they fit
03:23:35.800 and merge with one another to form an ordered existence
03:23:44.360 Now, there is something that we see again that happens a lot in the Volespao is that the beginning verses of sections of the poem begin to repeat.
03:24:02.920 And again, that was part of the tempo, if you will, the music of the poem.
03:24:12.620 And so a lot of times you will see, like, then the gods sought their assembly seats, then sought the gods their assembly seats, or, you know, at Nipah's cave, Garmir sits at Nipah's cave.
03:24:27.600 There's this repetitive sense, and again, I think that it's worth for the readers to know that it's greatly about setting a tone.
03:24:39.160 It doesn't always translate out in the Old Norse, but the idea of it repeating itself in order to gain that semblance of tempo is important.
03:24:51.480 And, you know, it says, you know, then sought the gods, their assembly seats, the holy ones and council held to find who with venom the air had filled or or had given Freya to the giants.
03:25:06.580 And so there is a lot of arguments around the idea that there may have been something lost or there might have been a line that didn't quite translate here very well in relation to a story of Freyja being taken by the Jotnar as opposed to being threatened to be taken.
03:25:34.260 and that there might be, I'm not saying a mistranslation,
03:25:42.000 but a contexting that's kind of wrong or out of place here.
03:25:46.500 Either there's a story that perhaps did exist in which Freyja was taken by Jotnar,
03:25:53.780 but we do have, of course, the story of Idun or Iduna being taken.
03:25:58.840 But in this case, Oath's Bride is very specific towards the relation of Freyja.
03:26:05.460 And we know in the Gilfogining that one of the key components of the unification of the gods is that Njordr and his children, the lord and the lady, come with him to the gods. 0.94
03:26:21.360 And there comes in the peril of the Yotnar trying to, again, remove the linchpin of natural law in order to disrupt and change things. 0.91
03:26:33.260 And I, this one, as far as context is always, I'm still, you know, chewing this one up, if you will, in relation to perhaps they're referring to, again, the wall. 0.95
03:26:51.920 And one of the prices that the Jotunar, who is not known as a Jotun yet, is he asks for the spark or the sun and the spark of Muspelheim and the moon and Freyja.
03:27:12.960 And so, you know, this part here is to find with, I guess, I don't know, it's intent or malice, if you will, I guess would be another good version of this, to find with malice the one that stole Freya.
03:27:40.140 But to what story that might be alluding to is still kind of up to debate.
03:27:49.080 And I hate to end it on that one being, you know, again, but stanza 26, which we'll go into next time, is making, again, reference to the rebuilding of heaven,
03:28:06.180 rebuilding the walls, rebuilding the heavenly might after the war and this peace that is made.
03:28:14.760 But it doesn't go into great detail because clearly she's, the Vola is stating her knowledge,
03:28:23.040 letting Lord Odin know that she has seen all things or has seen how things have come to pass.
03:28:30.600 So she's still in the state of establishing her power and lore.
03:28:35.320 And ultimately, what this is, is allowing the poet to go through and quickly kind of reference other parts of the stories as they go.
03:28:47.760 All right. Well, that is what it is.
03:28:55.840 And I think that, you know, being honest is better than not being.
03:29:00.240 um it's odd and it's mentioned as being odd in most you know even early notes on the text
03:29:09.300 and some things doesn't don't get to us in you know it's amazing that we have what we have from
03:29:19.140 900 years ago so the fact that some of it comes down in in a less than perfect form i don't think
03:29:28.600 should be should be shocking in any way um and with that uh witness fawn will you take us through the
03:29:48.040 middle third of the villispell well a lot of people are saying uh they're noticing the the
03:29:58.920 nice horn you're drinking from um as well they should it is an amazing horn carved and painted
03:30:07.120 by afa member christian pinner who not just a member happens to be a folk builder out of north
03:30:13.360 Dakota. He does absolutely beautiful, beautiful work. But that said, let's
03:30:20.960 get back into the prophecy of the Seerus. Okay. So this is where we last left off. Some of you
03:30:33.700 might not remember. The Valla was just now talking about the end of the war between the gods of
03:30:46.840 cosmic order and the gods of natural law, the gods of fire and wind and light versus the gods of water
03:30:55.560 and earth and of shade or murk if you will um and of course the next uh section brooches over
03:31:06.920 and this is where we kind of know that she's most likely referring to the story of the rebuilding
03:31:14.440 of ausgarther's walls because the next uh in in 26 um immediately she's you know in swelling rage
03:31:24.480 then rose up thor seldom he sits when he hears uh with such things he hears and oaths were broken
03:31:31.760 and words and bonds and the mighty pledges between them made so the way that it's kind of worded
03:31:39.360 it's more or less like the first half of that is referencing to the return um
03:31:46.960 his return over in that story of specifically when he kind of rises up behind the um
03:31:52.720 the, uh, Jotun after the Jotun had kind of deceived the gods by presenting himself as a
03:32:01.220 immortal or a man. And that's, that's kind of a funny thing. I think, um, a lot of times in our
03:32:08.600 lore, these transitions and transformations are always kind of linked towards deception.
03:32:16.220 Sometimes it can be cunning deception and it's utilized by the gods. And then other times
03:32:20.900 it's not, and it's, it's seen as, um, uh, treacherous, but it's, it's a neutral ground
03:32:26.860 unless there are certain things kind of crossed. If you lose yourself in that, in that, so when
03:32:34.140 the, the Jotun is mentioned as kind of a, as a mortal, and, um, whether this is Snorri's
03:32:41.240 euhemorization or it was simply a plot hook, the idea is that after he, he reveals himself,
03:32:49.200 he is no longer a mortal he's a jotain but bear in mind earlier in the story he was trying to get
03:32:56.380 the sun and the moon and late uh and freya um and to to light his house and to uh warm his bed
03:33:07.160 is basically what he says and so it's it's kind of a tongue-in-cheek understanding it's not
03:33:14.020 necessarily a literalism in any any way shape or form and i think that that's what when they're
03:33:20.020 when when the vala is referring to the the oaths that are broken and the words and the bonds
03:33:25.780 is the referencing that in that part it all kind of shifts and he didn't he wasn't able to keep his
03:33:34.180 time and he wasn't truly what he presented himself to be um is a huge weight of or gravitas
03:33:43.540 of the story. So that's when, uh, Asathor, the storm father steps in and, um, smites the Jotun 0.51
03:33:53.380 as he often does, um, in our stories. And so it's, she's in essence, uh, number, uh, verse 26 0.96
03:34:02.700 is, is referring back to 25. And that is ultimately the Vala is referring to the story
03:34:08.980 of the rebuilding of Ausgarther's
03:34:11.060 walls.
03:34:13.900 Then she
03:34:15.000 mentions in 27,
03:34:17.420 and this is an interesting one,
03:34:20.340 I
03:34:21.060 know of the horn
03:34:22.460 of Heimdall. Of course,
03:34:25.100 she's speaking about Gjallarhorn.
03:34:28.980 Hidden under the high-reaching
03:34:31.280 holy tree, on
03:34:33.200 it there pours from
03:34:34.800 Valfather's pledge,
03:34:37.640 a mighty stream,
03:34:38.980 would you know yet more now this that part there is is you're going to see
03:34:45.240 that the best way to look at it is when the vala starts to bring herself towards what would be
03:34:53.680 perhaps the present of the story she's talked about the past now she's shifting over to the
03:34:59.880 present. And that is when you, you see, you know, when, when she says, you know,
03:35:05.920 she's saying, do you want to know more? And she'll say that over and over again. And that is
03:35:14.620 a hundred percent the middle of the poem. And so I've always equated it to the present.
03:35:23.540 Even though she's still kind of referencing secrets, she's referencing secrets that are known
03:35:29.460 now not necessarily from the past and um this verse too is very very interesting
03:35:37.320 so generally it causes quite a bit of confusion and this there's there's confusion in grimismal
03:35:44.480 and in uh the volaspal about where the the residing place of which um yellow horn is set
03:35:55.780 And some people wonder if it is in earth's well, or if it is in Mimir's well. And again, Mimir's well being the caveat that is that no one knows where Mimir's well is except for one, Lord Woden.
03:36:11.860 So how would that be? And I think that the the the true point of this verse is that it is in earth as well in heaven because of the the problem with the pledge.
03:36:29.080 people focus on the removal of the eye in in relation to this and i wonder and i'm you know
03:36:37.340 still many things to think about and still kind of looking through is that there was another pledge
03:36:42.300 that was made uh over a well and that was of course lord lord woden's sacrifice to himself
03:36:48.920 um upon yggdrasil and looking down into the waters of of uh earth's well so
03:36:56.880 I, I think that the, some of the confusion may have been there, but again, there also seems to
03:37:04.160 be that, um, uh, sometimes mixed up some of the spots or perhaps as they were being written down
03:37:15.840 and as they were being comprised, some of the spots get mixed to where, for instance, um,
03:37:21.060 in the gilfagining it's mentioned where the roots go but in grimness mall uh the roots are mixed up
03:37:28.320 there's there's one in heaven there's one in jotenheim and there's there's one in midgarth
03:37:34.660 so it's like it gets i think these might actually be somewhat grammatical errors i don't think that
03:37:43.800 there's too many or that there may have been a mix-up or perhaps um kind of a crossing of lines
03:37:50.640 as far as getting the consistency of it.
03:37:54.500 So I think that this is one of those kind of mysteries
03:37:57.340 where people ask, like, well, if Lord of Odin knows where,
03:38:01.500 only knows where Mimr's Well is,
03:38:04.180 how did Heimdall's horn get there?
03:38:06.200 Unless, and this is the big one, Heimdall is Odin.
03:38:10.240 And that is one of those, again,
03:38:14.700 for anybody that's new to the Ossetrae Focus family,
03:38:18.260 we don't hypostasis.
03:38:20.640 And so I feel like that's a bit of a cramming point. And even Edward Thorson is, you know, Dr. Stephen Flowers, under his pen name, Edward Thorson, made some suggestions that the possibility of Heimdall being Lord Odin.
03:38:40.480 And I don't prescribe to that, but I think that this is one of those passages that really kind of leans towards starting to question that.
03:38:53.620 But I think that it's also worth noting, the Valfather's pledge and sacrifice was taken on Yggdrasil as well, not just Mimir as well.
03:39:06.680 And so the, the idea that his, his, um, uh, sacrifice there and the, and the things that he gained, uh, as opposed to simply the eye, it's the whole, his whole being was gone and then returned from it.
03:39:25.200 So, just something interesting there, but she's, again, reemphasizing that this is the present moment, and she's starting to kind of reveal secrets, and that is showing, again, her power.
03:39:39.400 I want to take a moment here
03:39:42.160 I think that
03:39:52.000 and this is to follow
03:39:54.760 on what Svon said about
03:39:56.200 the
03:39:57.520 tendency that people have
03:40:00.960 towards
03:40:01.720 a reductionism
03:40:03.800 when it comes to
03:40:05.300 the gods mentioned
03:40:08.500 in our lore
03:40:09.280 and trying to there's a tendency in scholastic circles sometimes to combine
03:40:20.080 deities to make to make the stories move better to make certain plot points more fluid
03:40:28.540 um and you guys are going to hear me talk about this all of the time um
03:40:35.380 because i think it's important so i'm going to reiterate it a lot if you are approaching our faith
03:40:42.680 from a as a literary exercise then absolutely trimming the fat and merging things that seem
03:40:53.900 confusing to make fluid movement in the story makes a lot of sense if it is a work of fiction
03:41:01.240 if on the other hand your purpose in the pursuit of study is piety towards our gods
03:41:10.240 and our lore is a tool to understand our gods it's a very different story indeed
03:41:18.580 your job is in that pursuit is to find truth from the lore as opposed to construct a
03:41:31.240 literary story that's pleasing to modern sensibilities.
03:41:39.400 And they're really important things. So,
03:41:43.140 and this may sound like a really simple way to look at it. I think a lot of the ways
03:41:49.780 that I try to approach our faith are very simple. And I like to move from the simple to the complex
03:41:57.660 because I think the simple paints things in the highest contrast
03:42:05.020 and the easiest to understand.
03:42:07.520 So, and this sounds dumb even saying it, but I'm going to put it out there.
03:42:13.520 um if if you are worshiping
03:42:22.520 all of the gods in our stories that are appropriate for worship
03:42:28.620 and you make the mistake and two of those gods happen to actually be the same god
03:42:35.680 no harm no foul that god gets double worship under under different names
03:42:43.140 nobody is nobody is cheated in that equation but if admittedly from a point of confusion
03:42:52.420 you're not sure whether they're the same god or not but it's just easier to think that they are
03:43:02.260 you run the very serious risk of one of those gods being cut off from the worship of our folk
03:43:09.440 And I can think of no greater impiety than to separate one of our gods from the worship of our folk.
03:43:25.180 There's absolutely cases in our world where there are multiple names for the same god or the same goddess.
03:43:32.680 And we accept that 0.85
03:43:36.800 And there are cases where that's absolutely true
03:43:39.560 In the instance of Odin and Heimdall
03:43:42.060 It's not
03:43:43.460 We do not have significant reason to believe that it is
03:43:51.300 The positions that they serve
03:43:57.780 Within the family of our gods
03:44:00.120 Are very different and very distinct
03:44:02.900 there's a lot of things that are very distinct but there are obviously clear similarities
03:44:10.100 when dealing with mythic understandings again when you talk about these wells
03:44:16.900 it teaches us these different sources of
03:44:25.300 i'm trying to say how to think of how to describe the wells and what to liken to
03:44:29.540 them to besides wells but it really is a good analogy of these sources of us pulling up things
03:44:39.940 the well of memory and the well of earth are very similar in a lot of ways if you have to combine
03:44:46.340 elements of a story to make them make sense i am much more likely to combine the wells
03:44:53.540 than i am to combine the two gods right that's a much more pious way to make the
03:45:00.180 stanza make sense if that's where we're going and i think there's a lot of
03:45:06.900 obvious similarity and
03:45:11.140 sameness to the well of memory and the well of earth
03:45:15.220 both of the ideas of bringing up ancestral things from the past
03:45:23.540 and i just wanted to give that primer in case people wonder because a lot of the other
03:45:30.500 sources that folks listen to and that folks mention on uh on this youtube uh series that we do they
03:45:39.380 those folks have a tendency to be very free with their combining and reducing all the gods down to
03:45:47.540 a much smaller number eventually some people go so far as to reduce them all down to to odin
03:45:55.700 and that does a great disservice to all those gods that eventually become forgotten to our fold
03:46:02.180 well and i at the um the pledge um the word is is aureum and aureum is
03:46:20.660 a little confusing and i think that it's worth noting that it it denotes itself towards
03:46:27.740 Um, I would say that perhaps the, the best way to say it is, is the, the pledge that
03:46:39.920 holds things together.
03:46:41.200 It is the oath thing of, or the, the kind of the process of, so it's still not very,
03:46:47.460 um, uh, clear.
03:46:50.720 And again, I think it's left up to consideration, perhaps debate, but certainly consideration.
03:46:57.740 when it comes to the clarity as to where exactly Lord Heimdall's horn resides.
03:47:07.220 And when we cover the other poems, like the Grimnest Maul and stuff like that,
03:47:12.700 we can kind of reveal a little bit of that as well.
03:47:16.420 But I didn't want to soak too much time on that,
03:47:19.640 as I wanted to kind of just lay that seed perhaps for people to go
03:47:25.380 and hopefully, you know, as we're doing this, they're looking in and researching and maybe
03:47:31.940 seeing other things and considering other things in relation to, because again, you know, word
03:47:37.940 begets word, deed begets deed, knowledge grows. So there are a couple of questions over in the chat
03:47:48.820 that are directly related to these stanzas, or at least to what we're talking about in specific.
03:47:55.380 And one that I wanted to get to of Real Mage mentions that both Odin and Heimdall are both connected to Manu, according to his studies.
03:48:06.320 Maybe they share aspects from him.
03:48:08.600 There's a lot of similarity when you trace the roots of our gods and their names throughout history as they come down to us.
03:48:25.380 I see, I can see overlap in a lot of ways between Manu and Heimdall, and admittedly, which I'm not an expert on, and Heimdall, but I don't see that in the case of the All-Father. Svahn, do you have any thoughts on that?
03:48:42.680 Interestingly enough, Jacob Borim kind of connected Bor, the father of Odin, he connected him to Manas of Tacitus' accounts.
03:49:03.040 and of course manas is connected to or you know linguistically people have connected it to manu
03:49:09.360 so there is a lot of speculation across the board on this um and i would say that again perennial
03:49:14.920 truths of the idea of um from the you know from bor uh the gods come forth bar and bar and besla
03:49:24.520 um so you know from the gods they they come out of and just like that there's uh you know again
03:49:33.420 odin and the aunt and the breath that he gives to the to the folk and then heimdall so again they
03:49:40.660 there it's it's a perennial truth about the opening of the problem is is when i think you 0.95
03:49:48.640 see it in hinduism where they start to kind of dial everything down into vishnu or dial everything
03:49:54.380 down into shiva and i think right now what's going on is a lot of people dial everything down to ovin
03:50:00.860 because the other gods perhaps cannot do these things or they feel that they cannot do these
03:50:07.740 things because it somehow takes away from the sourcing of of the one ultimately you know it's
03:50:14.300 just it kind of it's like that all mythos is related in arian uh sense but it all boils down
03:50:22.620 to earth earth mommy and sky daddy and i again i think that this is a really dangerous path because
03:50:29.740 our ancestors believed in the multiplicity of the gods for a reason their interactions with the gods
03:50:35.580 and what they were taught by the first uh whether it's classier or whether it's king gelfi or
03:50:41.020 whether it's just the stories that were spread down to us over time have always worked towards
03:50:48.060 multiplicity and we should look at uh the patterning instead of attempting to kind of
03:50:55.900 force but the perennial truth of of uh the eldest of the house bar being the progenitor of the gods
03:51:04.860 and lord woden being the progenitor of the of the folk soul and and then heimdall being the
03:51:10.540 progenitor of say the evolutions of the folk are all true so i can see those connections
03:51:19.980 here's the here's the other thing and this goes back to my kind of overriding theme here
03:51:26.780 if we were starting from nothing and inventing gods and inventing religion
03:51:35.980 then cool it's super easy just to have like sky father and earth mother that's really handy
03:51:41.700 it's easy it makes sense cool let's do that that's not what we're doing
03:51:46.780 we have to start from a place to where our gods exist whether we're aware or not whether we
03:51:55.340 understand them or not whether we know or not our gods exist lord odin exists lord heimdall exists
03:52:03.600 any fault incomprehension between the two is on us not on them we seek to form a more perfect
03:52:11.700 understanding of them and a better relationship with them individually and as the family of the
03:52:18.760 isere we do that through devotion through offerings through the gift cycle through piety
03:52:25.280 and through our best attempt at right action.
03:52:30.420 And the study of that is good if it brings us closer to them
03:52:37.680 and helps us understand them better.
03:52:40.320 It's fun and interesting if we're just history nerds, which, cool, I am.
03:52:49.420 But the meat and taters of it is, does it bring us closer to our gods?
03:52:55.280 Honoring and being loyal to the Aesir trumps literary peculiarities of bits of lore.
03:53:04.520 The lore is useful because the lore brings us closer to an understanding of our gods.
03:53:10.140 It's always important to come back to that touchstone and that point of why are we doing this.
03:53:17.300 a fundamental in our religion generally why the what changes with time with place with circumstance
03:53:31.540 the why is timeless why are we reading our work why are we studying it what is the purpose of
03:53:40.780 our action what is the purpose of our thought process if we do that it clarifies all these
03:53:46.120 other things. And it does boil them down into a very simple starting point. And with that,
03:53:59.500 let's continue. Okay. So here is where, again, absolute presentism comes about because the
03:54:09.760 Vala is saying almost as if she's speaking more to herself.
03:54:17.000 She's stating the obvious as,
03:54:19.120 as you know, Lord Vóðinn is there
03:54:24.000 and has brought her about.
03:54:26.520 And she speaks about him coming as if separate
03:54:31.700 from the time or, and I always take this as again,
03:54:35.420 The location is never truly stated except in comparison to the preparing of the halls in Helgard.
03:54:48.060 But again, if she can see all from various levels, some people automatically assume that Lord Volden has gone into Helgard, which he does often.
03:54:58.540 He goes into the place away from time.
03:55:00.120 That's one of the most powerful parts of of him in retrospect to perhaps in the stories, all the other gods is that his unique ability to be dynamic.
03:55:13.560 He's in the dynamic throne. And and I use these these titles because I'm not trying to force the gods into things.
03:55:20.260 I'm trying to observe the gods from the stories and then kind of classify what that might be.
03:55:28.560 And so Lord Vodhan being in the dynamic and seeing all the other Aryan faiths having the dynamic throne, having the stasis throne, and having the catalystic throne, it's generally seen that Lord Vodhan is in the place away from time, in the place of shadow, in the place where the deepest and the darkest root of Yggdrasil finds itself below the Nidavellar and into Niflheim.
03:55:57.360 and and there he raises her up and that's generally when you see um the stories written
03:56:04.560 not as poems but just as stories that is that is the um the general kind of mode you'll see it
03:56:12.000 presented and that it was lord woden's sorrow of the death of his son that ultimately is the reason
03:56:20.800 why he asked hermos to ride instead of him because the perilous journey but in this case you know
03:56:28.880 it's generally seen that he has made the journey and once again has you know moved through nipa's
03:56:34.320 cave and passed by garmer the the great uh hound death hound or or hell hound and um is now you
03:56:43.440 know raising her somewhere in the deep cockles of the the shadowy realms um it's very very
03:56:50.720 it's so cool but not contextualized in the poem so um i like to paint that a little bit because
03:56:57.120 it helps people kind of like get the imagery of it and um i want to interject something real quick
03:57:03.200 because it's a lot of these first ones feel free to fast forward these down the line when you watch
03:57:10.960 them or whatever because i know we um go through points exhaustively but we're setting tones and
03:57:19.440 it's really important so i see over in the chat and this is not aimed negatively this is something
03:57:25.680 to keep in mind because we all have a tendency to do this it's very important to change our mindset
03:57:34.560 change our language and change how we think of things from time to time
03:57:42.240 somebody mentions that the gods were well-rounded because the folk in each social class had to be
03:57:52.000 if the gods were well-rounded the gods are well-rounded our gods don't exist in the ancient
03:57:58.720 past i mean certainly they do but they exist just as much in the ancient past as they do in the
03:58:04.480 present and in the distant future and that's one of those things that we all do it's one of those
03:58:11.120 one of the biggest things i try to correct um when we get new members they want to talk about what
03:58:18.080 you know you guys in the afa you know you guys are doing this you guys are doing great things
03:58:23.760 like no you mean us guys you are you're one of us you're in our family you're on the team
03:58:30.240 we are doing those things and so when we talk about our gods they didn't used to be like x
03:58:37.120 they are you know however they are um and it's it's just one of those things that may seem small
03:58:44.080 but it affects how you think and the more you internalize that the more i don't know ingrained
03:58:49.680 it becomes go ahead well so this though the way bellows places this is super i love it
03:58:58.960 it it really gets the storytelling mode out she's saying to herself alone i sat when the old one
03:59:07.540 sought me the terror of the gods and gazed in my eyes what hast thou to ask why comest thou hither
03:59:15.240 oh then i know where thine eye is hidden so she's again revealing the fact she knows a 0.88
03:59:21.360 present secret a verdandi secret and she's she's just kind of posturing here um with great
03:59:29.860 confidence uh because again perhaps her slumber or the place in which she has uh you know laid
03:59:38.460 um brings her to this knowledge of like seeping through the roots uh while she's been in this
03:59:44.940 torpor or sleep and um you know she says i know they're where they where odin's eye is hidden and
03:59:50.920 she's speaking to odin deep in the wide famed well of mimir mead from the pledge of odin each
03:59:58.180 uh each oh they kind of had a an interesting uh each mourn the there's a misspelling here
04:00:09.580 uh but does does mimir drink would you know yet more and so here you know it's she's clearly
04:00:20.040 stating there's a secret place a place after the war that you took the head of your uncle
04:00:27.160 and hid it in a secret place in a well far off in the place of dissipation the place
04:00:34.800 that's that cannot be traversed easily unless you are you know the the storm father or if you are
04:00:41.300 lord othen himself and and it's it's just not and yet here she knows she knows of it
04:00:48.100 she knows where it is she knows what the cost of the of the pledge that he made there with his eye
04:00:54.900 to drink from that well and to know all things that have traversed through the middle world
04:01:00.940 And that's, I think, a really important thing, the well of memory. If we understand the world, Uðr is the origin point, the place in which all things flow from. Mimir is the memory point. It is the part in which all things of time and weird and all the movements of the middle go into the wellspring of the memory, the place that it flows.
04:01:26.100 And it's processed there through the wisdom of Mimir, and he is kind of like a godhead of all that has happened.
04:01:35.900 And the eye there is clearly, you know, again, the association is that Lord Wolthen can now see all actions to their conclusion.
04:01:47.420 And that helps with him staving off the ultimate end of chaos.
04:01:53.040 if we're looking at this of course in the in the uh mythos timeline of of point a to point b
04:02:01.100 this is what it's really about is again is attaining that understanding it's and she
04:02:06.620 she states it and the reason why it's so important is because nobody knows where that is and she does
04:02:13.740 so uh very very interesting um uh in 29 there is a there's a little bit of um a loss in this verse
04:02:26.440 uh necklaces had eye and rings from hair hair father hair father of course being battle father
04:02:33.560 or war father or uh you know raiding father um wise was my speech and my magic wisdom
04:02:42.080 widely I saw all over the worlds. And what I think this is ultimately stating is that
04:02:48.420 perhaps the process in which he gains this knowledge is given through gift giving in a form
04:02:53.920 of necklaces and rings or the idea again, clearly of the Germanic concept of kind of giving in order
04:03:03.600 to receive, um, that a leader must do oftentimes and, and, and, and, uh, with good, with good
04:03:10.980 reward, it's, it's kind of seen that way as, um, a, a strong and high hand is a giving hand
04:03:17.700 and can be a, uh, you know, or, or an unforgiving hand if you, if you go, uh, against it, kind of
04:03:24.460 the, the process. So that, that, um, stanza there is, I think, kind of alluding to
04:03:31.640 her um exchange and being able to see all through the worlds of of yggdrasil um and then she again
04:03:42.200 this is poetic and i think it's it's important to perhaps um that the idea is that the the names of
04:03:49.660 the the true avatars of lord wothin's um furious might is always the the the willful grasping
04:04:01.360 hands of the Valkyrie, the Valkyries, the carriers of the slain. And so she goes to name that.
04:04:11.840 And she says, on all sides, I saw the Valkyries assemble ready to ride to the ranks of the gods.
04:04:20.800 There is scold. Now, this is like, again, a lot of people, this causes confusion because we think,
04:04:25.760 Well, oh, there's the Nornscold, but again, the Nornir, the Deesir, and even some of the Ausenir, including Freyja, is often referred to as, again, a vanadis, a twister of fate.
04:04:45.440 uh the nornir are kind of an application of of the usage of the word witch but not in the sense of
04:04:51.820 like a troll witch as more so much like a a bringer of fate a turner of fate and the valkyria
04:05:00.080 were seen that way they were seen as the ones that had the ability to again twist and and twine the
04:05:06.920 fate of those on the battlefield to the moment that othen needed in order to uh bring up the
04:05:13.140 strong souls. So, um, these, you know, he, he, he is basically being told, like, I, I even know the
04:05:23.320 names of your Valkyries. Um, you know, there's Skold who bore the shield and there's Skogel,
04:05:30.000 the shaking one, uh, who rode next. And then there is, you know, there is Guth and Heald,
04:05:35.300 um you know uh might and or goodly might and battle and then uh gondul and gear skogel gear
04:05:45.680 is a is uh the same as the old english gar gear is a spear like we spoke about with um garlic and
04:05:53.280 and and uh the gear leak so she's the spear shaker and um of of herion's hair yarns herion's maidens
04:06:04.000 so again her your father herion is of course the lord or the presiding of battle um the maiden's
04:06:13.080 uh list ye have heard valkyries ready to ride over the earth so um really really again poignant
04:06:21.300 and understanding that um she's referencing to lord odin's present state the the the secret of
04:06:29.740 the eye and, and his application of willful spirit, the, the, the, the Valkyria, which we
04:06:38.380 don't know the origin of. Um, but I kind of always have seen them as the, um, the willful
04:06:45.640 manifestation or extensions of his will, perhaps, you know, completely understood as, as, um,
04:06:53.060 by his, his desire. And a lot of people, um, have speculated again about the origins of the
04:07:01.860 Valcadia, um, perhaps being, you know, physical maidens and, uh, throughout the times they have
04:07:08.240 changed. They were, you know, kind of seen as, um, that terrible to look upon the, the, the fear of,
04:07:15.120 of battle, the, um, shell shock, if you will, that could come over you if you were to kind of
04:07:20.360 be in the presence of their spirit um because war is is hell in our hell guard war is is that way
04:07:30.680 and so when they when they ride it's it's definitely seen as a scary sense but then
04:07:39.100 later on too you know the valkyries are seen as um ever upward ever open and i think that that's
04:07:45.440 really important just like when we see the valfather as the lord of battle but he's also
04:07:49.820 lord of gladsheim we see battle and and the darkness and and a lot of that but it's not
04:07:56.060 the motif entire it's there is a grandeur to it as well um and so i you know this this part
04:08:05.020 though definitely captures um some of the kind of just brutalness of it all um
04:08:11.900 Um, so yeah, we move, uh, now into, let me see, we are, uh, in 31, double checking, making
04:08:26.980 sure, so I don't skip anything because that would be, uh, let me see.
04:08:33.680 yeah so um
04:08:40.460 you know we see then that she comes to uh i saw for balder the bleeding god the son of odin his
04:08:50.360 destiny is set famous and fair in the lofty fields full grown in strength their mistletoe
04:08:56.880 stood so she's again coyishly playing with the fact that the ultimate doom was in such a pleasant
04:09:05.640 place a place unknown un un um you know unobserved just kind of lot left and she's toying with lord
04:09:17.960 of olden in this story and again remember it's this is the stories have to have an a certain
04:09:22.720 level of entertainment value for the folk that are listening and so you know um she's making
04:09:30.200 coy of this i saw for balder the bleeding god the fact of calling him the bleeding god is again
04:09:37.600 kind of a strike the son of oath and his destiny set famous and fair in the lofty fields
04:09:45.100 full grown in strength the mistletoe stood because again mistletoe is so slight and small like
04:09:51.780 she's kind of playing up with the whole
04:09:54.380 how big, how
04:09:56.380 strong this tiny little sprig
04:09:58.560 was 0.74
04:09:59.040 and then she of course then
04:10:02.260 reveals the whole point of it true is that from the
04:10:04.360 branch which seemed so slender
04:10:06.280 and fair came a harmful shaft 1.00
04:10:08.080 that hother should hurl 1.00
04:10:10.060 of course in the English 1.00
04:10:12.280 they say hoth
04:10:13.060 hother is of course
04:10:16.240 the other
04:10:18.280 half of balder, the shadow
04:10:19.760 He is the blind and, you know, but the brother of Baldr was born ere long and one night old, fought Odin's son.
04:10:32.060 Now, this causes a lot of confusion because, again, the audience is understanding of certain things.
04:10:38.180 And this is making reference to another one of the holy Ausa, who is the lord of corrective might.
04:10:47.220 and that is of course
04:10:49.120 Vaoli and so
04:10:51.180 there are switching
04:10:53.040 here that
04:10:54.900 from the branch which seems so slender and fair
04:10:57.380 came a harmful shaft that Hoth
04:10:59.280 did hurl but
04:11:00.980 the brother of Baldr which again
04:11:03.260 is now she's referring to Vaoli
04:11:04.860 was born
04:11:06.500 nearly not very long and
04:11:09.280 one night old killed
04:11:11.120 Hoth and that's what
04:11:13.260 she's referencing to because
04:11:15.360 again he had to immediately
04:11:16.920 his existence uh was brought about with the entire intent of correcting uh balance which
04:11:25.760 means that if balder the light must fall then so too must hother the dark because they are
04:11:33.340 interconnected um it is as much the consciousness to the shadow or the to the um you know the the
04:11:41.500 the ego or the subconscious in a way if we wanted to kind of conceptualize it like that
04:11:46.460 and it was through vauli's hand that born of the ausenia rinder he is
04:11:53.580 not you know but one night old and he uh his exudes his power and um i like it you know the
04:12:01.020 interesting uh usage of the story and is he covered in gore and not even bathed
04:12:05.100 um in the guild beginning when it's mentioned um and yeah his hands were washed not his hair
04:12:12.760 was not combed till he bore the bale blaze balder's foe again referring to the equilibrium of
04:12:20.800 of putting holder on the pyre along with balder um but then we talk about the the you know it but
04:12:30.840 in Fensaler did Frigg weep
04:12:33.080 sore
04:12:34.580 for Valhalla's
04:12:37.140 or Valhalla's need
04:12:38.380 would you know yet
04:12:41.140 or more
04:12:41.820 and so here is the
04:12:45.040 lament
04:12:45.560 and again it's kind of a poke
04:12:49.000 because our audience would understand
04:12:51.140 that what Frigg
04:12:52.660 Lady Frigga had to do 0.99
04:12:54.960 in order to try to stop the death 0.83
04:12:56.760 of Lord Baldur
04:12:58.140 was to create the oath of all things all creation was to oath to not harm him and yet still she
04:13:06.180 weeps because she had failed so it's it's a little bit of a poke um now this isn't this is um
04:13:17.960 a truly interesting part because i don't see anyone else except for perhaps in our
04:13:26.340 our interpretations of this of the lore uh we're about to venture into something that a lot of
04:13:31.880 people i think are confused about and they don't really know what to do um because of again double
04:13:37.600 namings that happen a lot in the lore but for us this is again still vauly is enacting more justice
04:13:45.780 um in equilibrium balder is slain by hother so hother has to be taken down then did vauly
04:13:52.900 slaughter bonds twist made fairly grim with those fetters of guts and what we're what we're talking
04:14:02.020 about now is if balder and and holder are in line with each other to be um you know in equilibrium
04:14:10.420 that one dies the other has to die what ultimately happened and the reason why we call loki the kinslayer
04:14:17.860 is that loki took a son from his blood brother and blood brotherhood is like brotherhood it's
04:14:26.520 it's he's a kinslayer that's a needling act and so what would vali do again the birth and him being
04:14:35.120 a babe is kind of again showing that he's pure in focus he's he's completely neutral and is
04:14:42.780 enacting upon himself these this um and so vali then slaughters loki's son and binds him as what
04:14:53.120 she's referring to and a lot of people get this caught up because uh in uh loki's one of loki's
04:14:59.640 sons is um you know is narvi and then vali is mentioned but i think that's actually an interplay
04:15:06.020 of uh of incorrection which they're referring to valley slaying loki's son norvi with with his
04:15:14.740 also wife sigon so that's an important
04:15:21.780 that's an important thing to guard against as well in trying to understand our lore i've seen a lot of
04:15:30.100 other people again if our lore were carved on stone on top of a mountain by the hand of one of
04:15:43.940 our gods if it was perfectly imparted to one of our great prophets in a cave it's a very different
04:15:54.740 thing um but our lore is not our lore teaches us and it approaches perfect truth through
04:16:06.580 imperfect means and through understandings of scalds and poets and bards and elders over time
04:16:15.780 so there's inevitably pieces of it that are imperfect that are mistranslated that are
04:16:24.740 that you will find contradictions and flaws.
04:16:29.520 It doesn't mean the truth of our faith is contradictory or flawed.
04:16:34.840 It means the centuries, perhaps millennia,
04:16:41.000 of writing it down and recording it gets messed up a little bit.
04:16:45.540 For example, if you look at the text we're reading right now,
04:16:49.160 we find errors in it.
04:16:50.840 We found one where it says mob when it means mourn.
04:16:53.820 we found that you know what two stanzas ago it's clear when you look at the original text it's just
04:17:00.780 somebody mistyped something from the the original norse it's easy enough to unravel all that to say
04:17:07.980 this the complete reading of the lore that we have adds context when there's a point of confusion in
04:17:17.740 other pieces of lore um each of these poems contains very often there's similar stories
04:17:29.100 told in different ones by comparing those and finding the commonalities and finding the common
04:17:35.580 threads that make sense it is we're best served to get a full understanding of of the circumstance
04:17:44.460 as opposed to what I've seen trying the best way to put this there are some people who
04:17:53.220 if you approach our lore as a scholastic literary study in old Norse it's really easy if you find
04:18:04.320 one place where something is anomalous and to build everything around the anomaly that you found
04:18:10.140 it is much more solid ground to build truth out of the rule instead of the exception to the rule
04:18:19.220 and the more you study this with an eye towards piety the more you recognize those things so
04:18:29.360 somebody finds like a little aha i found something that nobody else has thought about
04:18:33.640 we shouldn't celebrate the obscurity we should celebrate the clear theme and clear predominance
04:18:44.300 of the lore as opposed to you know some obscure little little snippet somewhere that you find
04:18:50.560 you don't cast out the
04:18:53.480 you don't cast out the wealth of evidence to the contrary because you found one exception
04:19:01.240 it's the exception that you should look upon with some skepticism if it flies in the face of
04:19:07.960 a consistent body of lore that says otherwise and that may not make sense right now some of
04:19:15.100 you know what i'm talking about are going to understand it but you'll see it as we go through
04:19:18.780 the lore more fully when there's these little points that don't quite match up it's you know
04:19:24.500 You'll notice that Svan mentions perhaps little pieces that Sonori may get wrong or may transcribe in a slightly off way.
04:19:37.560 These aren't arbitrary.
04:19:38.680 It's because Svan is well-versed in the existent body of our lore, so he is making sense within that context as opposed to, you know,
04:19:49.820 aha, there's this one line, because our lore doesn't work that way.
04:19:54.500 Well, and in particular with this situation, there is a problem about balance and Aryan mythos. If Vaulli kills Hodor, but then the son of Loki, Vaulli, kills his brother, people try to make that equation as Hoth kills Baldr, so Loki's two sons will kill each other as well.
04:20:21.980 But this immediately negates the purpose of Vaoli and what he's come to do. And again, there's no stating as to this other son of Loki, what happens after he kills his brother and binds him with it.
04:20:39.000 So there was these gaps that we were looking at, and the linguistics of it speculate that perhaps it was not that case, that Vowli was the instrument throughout the entirety, and this is Vowli Odinson, son of Odin and Rindr, and that he is enacting this vengeance because that is what he is born to do.
04:21:05.820 And the moment you take that and go, oh, well, perhaps there was a kind of a double skip there and that it's Narvi that's slain by Vaoli, then everything is complete at that point.
04:21:16.720 And there's no gaps.
04:21:18.220 Well, and so that's, I noticed this because we all use Wikipedia as an aid here and there for running into something really quick.
04:21:26.220 We'll quick look it up on Wikipedia.
04:21:27.560 but the people that write about our faith on wikipedia aren't writing about it as a religion
04:21:33.700 writing about it as an anthropological study in you know old norse literature and it it's
04:21:43.280 different there and they entertain a lot of you know strange theories because they're academic
04:21:48.920 curiosities rather than trying to come to an understanding of truth it's very obvious in the
04:21:53.660 story that the vow the only valley that's relevant is the valley especially when it has any overlap
04:22:03.840 with this particular story and his purpose could not be more clear now to extrapolate
04:22:11.780 the greater implications of him embodying the writing of the scales is done you know
04:22:20.740 through Agothi's wisdom but just through a reading of the story in any way it's very obvious
04:22:26.700 he is the instant birthing of vengeance that can't even comb his hair or wash
04:22:35.460 the birth gore off before he accomplishes his task and he gets vengeance for his brother and
04:22:44.040 does right by his father and his family and uh that is profoundly clear to anybody reading the
04:22:54.140 story and a side note i'm excited for spawn to paint that particular mural when we get to his
04:23:03.960 half oh yes it's again uh there's a there's a sense of and again lord odin is eager it is he's
04:23:14.120 the the awesome one the terrible terrifying one and and valley is by by essence of his father that
04:23:20.600 that kind of extension but honed into uh condensed form and truly um there's just a lot of
04:23:30.520 i've been speculating as to how i could do it justice or do it honor and i'm i'm not quite
04:23:37.000 there yet i don't have a full on but um again the the task is not lost on me and i to reference some
04:23:43.800 of these uh in this in the murals and create these little easter eggs and then transferring
04:23:50.440 i mean perhaps in the folk futhark um little tidbits here and there in order for people to
04:23:56.120 kind of get both the poetic sense and the story sense because i i really do enjoy the um what are
04:24:04.920 what are the stories of our gods were meant to do was to teach us but also to inspire to to evoke
04:24:11.400 emotions um and for those of you listening at home this will be hof number 10 when lord vowley gets
04:24:19.480 so small. Yeah. And, and Vali is the, is the arbiter of, of corrective order. He is the
04:24:29.920 instrument of instantaneous, uh, writing of the ship, or perhaps if you, again, using Eastern
04:24:36.840 tongue, you know, Dharma, he is instant, uh, as opposed to perhaps evolving or, or delayed
04:24:45.460 corrective action, or the maintenance
04:24:47.760 of corrective action,
04:24:49.940 he is that which, when the scales
04:24:51.920 are tilted farthest,
04:24:54.460 he, you know,
04:24:56.420 becomes
04:24:57.300 that wrathful
04:24:58.980 purity.
04:25:02.980 I just can't remember.
04:25:04.040 I'm not allowed for words.
04:25:07.840 Vowley is,
04:25:10.220 there's such a small
04:25:11.900 snippet of lore
04:25:14.340 that speaks to his glory, but it's so visceral that it, in such a brevity of words, conveys
04:25:28.300 overwhelmingly powerful imagery. And I think that's a really special reflection of him in
04:25:40.780 that way. Yeah. And I think that, um, the lore of our gods versus perhaps the devotion of our gods
04:25:48.900 is that, you know, you have this small amount of lore perhaps in poems, but to understand like
04:25:54.720 that Valley's eye, you know, is like the, the catching of Valley's eye is both good and bad
04:26:00.740 because the idea is that any, any imbalance within yourself can be shattered. Um, so it's like that,
04:26:08.600 the moment of being seen by the the lens of the gods in inaction is like do you want to be truly
04:26:17.840 noticed and you know are you prepared to stand before that understanding that despite all he
04:26:24.820 he enacts that justice swiftly if need be and um i've always found with my personal religious
04:26:31.300 workings with, with Valley that I, I speak in, in oftentimes hushed tones and, and lower prayers.
04:26:38.740 And, um, I, I give offering with great humbleness because I don't think that we truly, um, have the
04:26:49.340 ability because we're mortal to really respect, uh, introspectively look at the balances within
04:26:55.480 ourselves and so i i oftentimes have always very quietly and humbly given unto valley gift because
04:27:03.160 i don't want to um i not not offend but just it again it's just a it's a sense of of reverence
04:27:13.340 for a power that is always again just like with with lord thor if the power that is around
04:27:21.440 uh is good but it can be very powerful and unrelenting if so respect it
04:27:31.280 you'll notice we've got you know we're into the second of three
04:27:38.240 many hours long episodes about a you know 60 stanza poem or 66 stanza i believe that we
04:27:47.520 could go through we could go through it very quickly but there's a lot of really important
04:27:52.080 things that pop up that i think are um worthy of talking about and i want to make this one
04:27:59.840 you know further extrapolation when we're talking about lord valley
04:28:06.480 this goes to the very essence of so much of what we talk about and so much what i harp on on here
04:28:12.480 we got very little i think a lot of people who are reconstructionist in their approach to our faith
04:28:24.680 can wrap their head around you know how we would build a cult to to owe them
04:28:32.360 or to thor that we have so many stories and such a wealth of information on
04:28:38.020 but they scratch their heads and don't know what to do in order to build an active worship of some of our gods
04:28:50.460 that we don't have a wealth of knowledge on.
04:28:53.880 We have very little.
04:28:56.680 But this is what I mean.
04:28:58.100 The lore is a tool to get to know our gods better.
04:29:01.520 but I've always maintained and I believe and you know what x that I think that we're very used to
04:29:12.940 I mentioned words being important earlier we have this ingrained humility on it
04:29:20.820 it's not what I believe it's what I know if we had none of our war and we were without those things
04:29:31.060 we found ourselves on a distant planet on a deserted island and it was just us and our gods
04:29:39.580 we would build lore we would build relationship we would come to know them better if we approach
04:29:46.600 them through piety and that's what we are doing and it's a huge hope of ours um that by establishing
04:29:55.560 Hoffs to some of these gods that we know less about that we will build those relationships
04:30:03.380 and those bonds in such a way that we'll be blessed with with greater knowledge and greater
04:30:08.220 understanding of them and we've already seen that the relationships with our gods have grown
04:30:16.080 as our Hoffs honoring them have have been established in this regular worship that those
04:30:21.960 Hoffs occur. So I'm excited for that as it grows and develops. But again, the lore is a tool to
04:30:30.160 help us build those relationships. What is most important is building that relationship with our
04:30:36.640 gods. I've said it before, there's a profound difference in being a scholar on a subject
04:30:44.300 and being someone who has a personal relationship with someone or i say with someone it's not uh
04:30:57.020 it is a relationship it's not like you know balder's my homie it doesn't some people have
04:31:04.940 trivialized it to that point but it's absolutely a relationship between a worshiper and his gods
04:31:12.020 and that's the most important thing if the war helps us to get there fine but if you have the
04:31:17.940 war without the relationship and without the devotion then you're a scholar and that's fine
04:31:24.740 to be a scholar but being a scholar does not make you also true and if you have the relationship
04:31:30.020 with our gods and you have you know no knowledge of the war or you've never never seen it or didn't
04:31:37.380 have access to it you are closer to being also true than the scholar who's never you know put
04:31:44.660 his book down and prayed um verse 35 there comes a point again in mentioning the um the uh
04:32:01.220 the kin slayer again um and i wanted to bring up another point too because again
04:32:06.820 the way that we organize things when we talk about the gods and we talk about hierarchy
04:32:12.020 very little is said beyond that and so uh this is another great point of understanding
04:32:17.540 about the way um we observe the hierarchy of of of the gods and uh perhaps other people
04:32:25.620 or um you know fly by nights or things like that um perhaps lose it in the fold but we have an
04:32:33.060 absolute kind of observation of it is so as one did i see in the wet woods bound um and that that
04:32:42.260 again is the verlandi um is it's the mired lands uh and again it's mentioned in um the gilford
04:32:53.380 getting is the the kettle groves and it's mentioned in the in the vola as well later on
04:32:58.660 But one did I see in the wet woods? A lover of ill. The worker of strife is basically what the lover of ill means. And to Loki like. Again, likening to his name known amongst the gods.
04:33:21.260 and by his side does Sigyn sit
04:33:24.320 nor is glad
04:33:26.040 to see her mate
04:33:27.680 it's you know would you like to know more
04:33:34.040 you know and so
04:33:35.300 it's in that part again too
04:33:37.660 it's worth noting
04:33:39.900 like a lot of people
04:33:41.060 it's hard to formulate an understanding
04:33:44.140 who is Sigyn
04:33:45.720 and so
04:33:48.300 the observation
04:33:49.840 and in hierarchy that i have always placed in this is is the the our senior the goddesses are
04:33:57.440 clearly mentioned there's frigga there's freya there's fulla snotra or snotra um nowa and and
04:34:07.760 all of all of them are you know are named fulla and i mean uh var and vow and soven and loven and
04:34:14.720 all of the the house and you are mentioned and then outside of that we have very key um
04:34:22.000 beings in our in our faith and in the stories that are not mentioned in that list and so
04:34:27.120 we call them the aust the near the beloved ones and they're aligned with the gods and therefore
04:34:33.520 are of the gods but they're not listed as the awesome so you have for instance like even and
04:34:41.520 And most of us, I think it's going without saying.
04:34:46.720 But because the list was set as of the Al-Senor,
04:34:51.480 and that has a titled sense of perhaps the working machinations of our faith
04:34:59.060 and the faith of our ancestors about who they prayed to
04:35:03.320 versus the forces that are present in heavenly being. 0.57
04:35:08.440 So, you know, you have Sif and Idun, and one of the Austvenir that is, you know, is of the gods, but then is consigned to the fate based off her obligation and oath to the kinslayer is Sigion.
04:35:27.260 so she's one of the 0.85
04:35:29.040 Ostvinir
04:35:29.700 perhaps like again in the hierarchy 0.99
04:35:33.240 of heaven she was on the list
04:35:35.320 but now she resides 0.99
04:35:36.780 her fate tied
04:35:39.020 to that to the one in which
04:35:41.100 she was linked to
04:35:42.380 and so you know in this part
04:35:47.340 she is of the
04:35:49.200 same ill fate as her
04:35:51.160 husband
04:35:51.600 and she still honors the oath
04:35:55.180 she still presides the
04:35:57.120 oath. Um, and despite, um, you know, Loki's kind of shifting and changing, um, she holds true
04:36:05.520 because she is again, victory. She is the, the Ausvenir of, uh, or was of, of victory and of
04:36:14.160 maintaining troth. And she does it even despite the, the knowing that being of the hand that kills, 0.77
04:36:24.000 um, Odin's son is going to bide her no remorse. Um, she, she then encapsulates herself in the fate
04:36:33.800 of Loki. Um, so, you know, then, um,
04:36:44.840 here we go into a mentioning, uh, in, in 36, um, from the east there pours through poison veils
04:36:53.920 with swords and daggers the river sleeve and this is an interesting uh usage of the again rivers i
04:37:02.160 think um perfect example of this is like some of the reconstructionists were talking about how
04:37:07.280 all the rivers have to be at the roots and all the roots have to be at the bottom
04:37:10.480 and everything in order to make sense that there's a tree standing up there has to be
04:37:14.000 this understanding that they basically just completely flipped all of the of the cosmological
04:37:22.080 uh power of movement um without a i think an understanding perhaps just to again make sense
04:37:29.600 of it all um but this is an interesting one because it is mentioned about being in between
04:37:36.160 kind of jotunheim and hellheim or niflheim niflhell and that's again because all the rivers
04:37:44.560 and sleeve is is uh not from jotunheim it's it's known that so basically what's saying
04:37:51.680 this is that um you know from from the east it is known as the one of the elevator one of the dreadful
04:38:01.520 waves of the underworld but you know it it pours in um from the east of that land the sword uh the
04:38:12.240 the of the river the river slither and slither just means cruel and you'll notice that about
04:38:17.840 all the rivers mentioned in the lower worlds are they have a connection towards there's like the
04:38:23.520 festering battle wound there's the river of the crying out of souls there's the the river that
04:38:29.360 is cruel um the one that is a a noise a a a cacophonous monster or a cacophonous singer
04:38:37.920 um all of the rivers of the lower begin to have that kind of very very um uh you know
04:38:45.600 just desperation in them so um uh you know from the east through the poison veils with swords and
04:38:54.860 daggers the river sleeve northward a hall in neither valor so in neither valor is or a neither
04:39:01.840 volume is um the the land underneath the earth it is the shady place where uh the kind of the
04:39:10.960 bridging between the mortal realm and the the timeless realm of niflheim and there is uh again
04:39:18.020 a mentioning to the to the dvergar or to the duero or the dwarves or the svartalfar and this again
04:39:24.520 is a part that um perhaps is is lost but there's um the the brewing um uh you know so northward
04:39:38.420 a hall in Nidervellet of gold
04:39:40.660 then rose for
04:39:42.240 Sindri's race. And Sindri's 0.73
04:39:44.660 race is
04:39:46.480 mentioned as Sindra Etter,
04:39:48.500 or the family, or the people of,
04:39:50.380 or the, in essence, the family of
04:39:52.460 Sindri, the
04:39:54.180 dark elves, 0.99
04:39:56.860 the svart elves, I mean.
04:39:59.440 And in
04:40:00.120 Okolnir
04:40:01.780 another stood
04:40:03.500 where the giant
04:40:06.100 brimmer his beer hall had and uh again oak oak is the is um is the place of oaks and so
04:40:16.420 oftentimes this is kind of seen as a place within the east a place amongst the jotens so
04:40:23.140 there's not a ton of referencing as to uh you know the northward hall in neither valor and the
04:40:29.860 the beer hall of Brimmer in the oak land or the power of the oaked place.
04:40:37.760 And it's kind of, again, perhaps alluding to stories that we've lost
04:40:43.980 in relation to especially Okolnir.
04:40:50.080 So, again, it's establishing as we're moving down.
04:40:54.180 And that, I think, is another important point that you'll notice in the poem 0.79
04:40:58.640 that the vala starts with the upper world and then she moves to the middle world with mimers well and 0.95
04:41:05.280 then she speaks of the slaying and now she devotes all of her attention to the lower the shadowed
04:41:11.920 realm the place in which the the tree of heaven its roots burrow into the shade of this place
04:41:18.560 and and few know of it um and in here she says uh a hall i saw far from the sun
04:41:26.800 on naustrand it stands and its doors face north venom drops through the smoke vent
04:41:35.800 down or the central place and from around the walls do serpents wind and so now we're talking
04:41:43.700 about helgard and with an understanding of certain things one a lot of people automatically
04:41:52.320 jump to the act like oh snorty was a christian and so he's gonna make hell guard very terrible
04:41:58.280 because his understanding of like an underworld but i don't think that's that's necessarily the
04:42:02.960 case i think that it's worth noting that our ancestors took to the understanding that the
04:42:10.180 the death was the opposite of wholeness that it was the breaking apart place and so it was often
04:42:17.480 seen as as dark and and mist and and that's because again they're relating the mythos of death
04:42:24.360 to what it its proper station which is dark and and and grounding and dissipative um
04:42:31.880 but there is clearly places in which on uh that there stands a um kind of good and a bad
04:42:40.680 And she mentions Naustrand, the nether beach
04:42:46.420 And she talks about the door that faces north
04:42:50.440 Again, one of the reasons this is mentioned is
04:42:53.380 One, a north-facing door catches the northern wind, a cold wind
04:42:57.040 It's also mentioned that Nipah's cave
04:42:59.640 Nipah means like a mound 1.00
04:43:02.200 And I know it's going to laud some laughs
04:43:06.420 but it survives in our language like in the same as like nipple and it it means like a pronging
04:43:14.900 spot a nipa's cave is is a cave inside a kind of a mound and it could be viewed as a kurgan or it
04:43:23.060 could be viewed sometimes as a natural structure but it's seen as the place that kind of juts up
04:43:28.020 in the north and that you know that the soul travels down that road and then that the door
04:43:36.340 that's awaiting it that faces the north is the ever-opening door of hellguard because all things
04:43:42.660 must end and all things must die venom dropping through the smoke vent down i mean that's worth
04:43:48.100 noting the smoke vent of a hall and the idea that um venom doesn't necessarily just mean um like
04:43:56.980 from uh fangs it was it was the the fetid process or the the things that which break down and so
04:44:06.020 all of hellguard is always associated with the what i call the calamity of midgard it's the uh
04:44:13.220 it's the all things that are used to catalyst and break apart and slowly pull down and um
04:44:20.900 But I think it's just an understanding that our ancestors had towards death and that it was not entirely just Christianization.
04:44:30.900 If that was the case, I would think like perhaps if he was bringing up concepts of like lakes of fire and things of that nature, he might have – that might have been an overstep.
04:44:41.220 But that is not the case. And so I think it's worth noting that there's a power in an understanding that our ancestors, if they accept us, we can then move into sacred and held space.
04:44:55.640 But if we are rejected by that, then we find ourselves on Naustron crossing, you know, the river Gjöl and the river Slyðr and finding ourselves there with, you know, the serpents and the beasts of separation.
04:45:12.460 um so again uh the reason why i'm keying in on that is because a lot of i would say modern house
04:45:18.980 of true in in one of its follies as far as um i would say like not even house of true perhaps
04:45:24.200 norse paganism is um they have a tendency oh that's naughtiest christianization of
04:45:29.480 of the underworld and we don't have a place where there's like consequences and i would beg to 0.86
04:45:34.960 different yeah that's that's silly and it's part of the
04:45:42.640 maybe childlike is a better word um so in anything in any new endeavor in any great um
04:46:04.960 break from, uh, from the norm. There's a period of infancy where you start out and
04:46:17.780 are first, you know, literally like an infant or a child, you're first trying to get your
04:46:24.560 bearings on life and the world around you and it necessitates you know extremes and
04:46:35.680 kind of a flailing period where you're finding yourself and you're finding what's what
04:46:41.420 and then once you understand that as you grow and as you mature you move from that
04:46:46.120 well asa true in its infancy in its modern stage and the rebirth of asa true there was a need to
04:46:53.240 Anything that Christianity has, we can't have any point of commonality. 0.97
04:46:59.360 We have to be the opposite. 1.00
04:47:01.140 That's some of what I'd like to talk about when I do get to some of the side questions on LaVey and Crowley.
04:47:12.460 This isn't that.
04:47:13.740 no there's it's interesting that this is not a direct um reworking of hell but with viking
04:47:23.260 or of christian uh of sheol or tartarus but with a viking coat of paint
04:47:30.400 it's different and one of the key points and i mentioned before when we started this last week
04:47:37.660 at other times that there are multiple levels to our lore on the first most basic level
04:47:47.180 naustrand is
04:47:51.260 bad and foreboding and scary and there's snakes like dripping venom spit on you and it's gross
04:47:59.740 and it's miserable and it's cold and wolves are trying to eat people and it's it's
04:48:06.060 It's a messed up place you don't want to be.
04:48:09.420 We understand that.
04:48:10.400 The further and deeper understanding of it is it's a place of disillusion, dissolving, of breaking your components down into their fundamental pieces because it is a place of recycling.
04:48:27.500 Your soul, your you-ness, your ek, along with other parts of your you, are found so worthless that not only do you not have worth, but your existence is of negative value to our gods and our folk.
04:48:50.300 and your pieces are dissolved and literally recycled into something better than the creation that is slash was you.
04:49:03.760 We don't believe that's the fate of anyone who sins or anyone who falls short of the glory of the gods,
04:49:11.560 as other faiths might put it.
04:49:14.780 But that is for people who have defined themselves by their villainy, 0.92
04:49:18.760 who have defined themselves by their lack of character and their lack of behavior,
04:49:27.820 their behavior that is so far beyond the pale that their existence is a disgrace to our folk and our gods.
04:49:36.980 And it's one of the things you see a similar principle when you read Tacitus.
04:49:43.700 I know it's probably pronounced Tacitus, but it sounds funny.
04:49:47.120 He doesn't got good mouthfeel, and so we're going to call him Tacitus now just like we're going to call him Caesar and not Caesar, whatever I think the more appropriate Latin is.
04:49:58.660 Just sounds better.
04:50:00.100 Anyways, Tacitus, when he writes in Germania about how thieves and murderers and other folks are punished by their hung in trees for people to see as an example of, hey, this guy did something bad. 0.90
04:50:14.140 But certain things, and he mentions homosexuals and cowards, those who flee in the face of danger, that was so distasteful that, no, they put them in bogs because they didn't want to be reminded. 0.68
04:50:37.080 They were all made less by the reminder of those people's existence. 0.92
04:50:41.060 And so that's the idea here. There's other forms of you not getting rewarded in the afterlife. But if you're on the strand, you're being dissolved and repurposed into, you know, so your component parts can be used for something much more worth.
04:51:00.320 and this this idea of dissolving parts of the soul
04:51:07.400 does have crossover into subjects that other folks in the chat are talking about
04:51:14.120 in terms of hermeticism and other western magical tradition there is some overlap there and that's
04:51:20.760 one of the things i wanted to make sure we weren't being too too hard on folks that maybe
04:51:24.780 aren't coming at this from an house of true perspective
04:51:34.220 well it uh speaks here in in um uh stanza 40 and it's worth noting there is another
04:51:43.020 um poem uh comprised of called hawksbock in which they pull one of the stanzas uh stanza 44 and kind
04:51:51.420 of interlope it in here and so some scholars have um you know it's it's no it's worth noting that
04:51:59.020 at least in that one there is a mention of it but the the verses are moved and it's i think that's
04:52:05.740 again uh because in this part there's repetition being mentioned and verse 44 still doesn't
04:52:13.820 migrate away from the realm in which the vala is talking about the underworld so it doesn't
04:52:20.460 necessarily uh even kind of contradict anything in hauck's book but here you know it's it's pulled
04:52:29.180 in later but it's again a part of a repetition that is established when again saying the poem
04:52:35.900 and filling in sections of it with repetition in order to bridge to the next point in the
04:52:42.380 the verses is kind of what the poets are doing. But yeah, Auster sat in Altna i Irnvidhi.
04:52:56.060 So East sat in the old iron copses. Oh, did I? Yes. Oh, excuse me. Sorry. Sorry. I was
04:53:09.260 Thank you for catching me on that one.
04:53:12.280 Sorry, let's jump it back first real quick.
04:53:14.760 I was concentrating on that interpolation part
04:53:18.640 that I jumped ahead.
04:53:20.580 So there I saw wading through rivers wild,
04:53:23.380 the treacherous men and murderers too,
04:53:27.100 and the workers of ill with wives of men.
04:53:31.860 And again, that's an interesting one too,
04:53:33.480 Because when we, you know, when we talk about the bond, the bonded maidens that are, it's generally alluded to being like the trothful maidens of men, even though it's not outright, you know, mentioned.
04:53:56.800 it's it's spoken of is that these ladies are of the bonding of oaths and so therefore they are
04:54:02.400 wed women and um so that i you know i saw their wading through the rivers while and this again
04:54:10.480 is the referencing to gyal which is the the name gyal survives very much in our language like with
04:54:17.460 the word yelp and so it's like a crying out so it's the river of mournful cries and um you know
04:54:24.880 they're wading through. And in this is, you know, there's treacherous men, murderers, wanton
04:54:31.160 murderers, you know, ones that kill without any, you know, sense. And the workers of ill and
04:54:38.960 balefulness and, you know, and the treachery and cunning with bonded maidens. And there 1.00
04:54:47.160 Nidhokur
04:54:48.960 Nidhokur is 0.86
04:54:50.920 the 1.00
04:54:51.600 corpse
04:54:53.980 ripper or the
04:54:56.540 consumer in the
04:54:59.360 darkness
04:54:59.780 Nidh is kind of again
04:55:02.720 underneath, it survives in our language
04:55:05.360 with like nether or underneath
04:55:06.840 so he's like the nether
04:55:09.480 ripper
04:55:10.980 but again
04:55:13.280 also in relation to corpses
04:55:15.480 and i was often poetically called the corpse ripper because of the uh the souls washing up on
04:55:22.100 on nastron's beaches and so i think it's worth noting too like we had the one where it's like
04:55:28.100 oh snorty christianizes everything and there's that's just you know that's why you know helhan's
04:55:34.020 kind of a downer man is because he's a christian but on the other end i don't believe that there's
04:55:40.560 like the all of the divine and holy gods kind of descend into this underworld realm kind of measure
04:55:46.440 your soul um against a feather kind of uh thing and i have seen that alluded in places and i think
04:55:54.500 that what it does is um it negates out some of the obvious um things as a the gods you know
04:56:01.820 witnessing us as we live um and in essence marking our our fate the fact that they can
04:56:07.580 administer doom or boon is part of that is that they don't have to do that kind of in an end and
04:56:13.960 it matters with every individual soul um because again i think that is ultimately uh you know not
04:56:21.540 seen in our faith as a grand scale that gods aren't um you know waiting for your individual
04:56:28.180 soul to come down into hell guard so that they can you know pull out the feather scale or whatever
04:56:33.420 and listen to your lawyer, Fylke,
04:56:38.140 I think that kind of goes in a very different mode
04:56:41.880 than what we see throughout most Aryan ethos. 0.98
04:56:45.820 But what we do see is that the culmination is 0.74
04:56:50.020 the final crossing into the land of our ancestors
04:56:54.080 is ultimately held by our ancestors.
04:56:57.100 Because if it wasn't, what would be the point of addressing?
04:57:01.180 what would be the point of of giving piety and giving honor the idea is that you want to be
04:57:07.320 reunited with them and that they in essence have some extenuating power to perhaps exclude you
04:57:14.400 and you don't want to be in that that position you don't want to be marked by the gods because
04:57:19.600 of your ill deeds and you don't want to be you know outcast by your ancestors um but if if they
04:57:27.160 had no part and play in it, then in essence, I mean, obviously to honor is to honor, but the
04:57:33.400 idea again is that you want to be reconnecting them. You do not want to be judged by them as
04:57:38.900 well as being of ill repute to be a needling. And I think that's part of the siphoning. The reason
04:57:48.000 why the souls are moving around is that there's this filtration process to refine the might of
04:57:54.180 the souls of the folk and so um you know you see the uh wading through the rivers and their um
04:58:05.220 the their need hug need hogar the blood of the slain he sucks and the the wolf or the varkar
04:58:12.740 specifically the varkar tear men would you like to know more or you know would you would you know 0.55
04:58:19.940 yet more um the the vargar are kind of in my observation of the faith is that these souls that
04:58:30.100 pass through the thresholds of kill and slither are left with no recollection of perhaps themselves
04:58:37.540 but are mindless savage vargar and vargar has a lot of meaning vargar is a wolf vargar is an outlaw
04:58:48.100 it is both and so uh somebody who to be titled as such is not a good thing it's it's a bad thing
04:58:55.280 it's it's um you know and i think that like when we i know ultimately it's going to bring up the
04:59:00.620 point of perhaps um bark in the the persona on uh that he is is um again you know a lot of that
04:59:10.140 was built on the idea that um oh the society that we have now is is a foreign it's christian it's
04:59:17.300 it's terrible. And so excluding all of that, I'm going to be this kind of edge 0.93
04:59:21.320 walking, savage wolf. And, um, I can see that kind of in a way and even to today,
04:59:28.240 but it's again, eliminating the, the joy of order and, um, kind of ultimately working against it.
04:59:36.440 So I wouldn't, you know, want to carry that on if, if I, if I was him in his elder age,
04:59:43.220 you know um but again little little love for for modern world and again it's a modern battlefield
04:59:49.580 that we have to fight on with a lot of things going on and and a lot of people just kind of
04:59:53.820 like like him he just wants to tune it out stand against it so um in that you know the in that
05:00:02.300 nastron where need all good and the vargar are are chewing up the the souls and then in turn
05:00:08.860 making them into Varga again. And it's like, these are the, you know, a good equivalency of, of the, 0.96
05:00:15.500 like, um, foul spirits. Um, if you could use the Greek word demon in a way, um, of, of Naustron,
05:00:25.540 these, these savaging souls. And, um, then in the East, the giantess of old in Ironwood sat,
05:00:34.420 And
05:00:36.780 You know
05:00:37.940 Sorry, I read that wrong
05:00:40.140 Because in the Old Norse
05:00:42.480 It's east
05:00:43.560 Oster sat in Aldna
05:00:46.060 Irnveri
05:00:47.880 But in the English
05:00:50.040 Translation, the east is mentioned in the second
05:00:52.400 Line, so it throws me off a little bit
05:00:54.020 But
05:00:54.260 The
05:00:55.540 The
05:00:57.620 The Aldna 0.70
05:01:00.000 The elder being
05:01:02.900 Is of course
05:01:04.220 generally seen as the giantess, the, the Yotness, but it's not the word Yotnar is not used. It's
05:01:10.420 Altna, this elder thing. Um, and of course they're referring to, um, uh, um, by the gods,
05:01:22.500 I can't believe it. So it's like, I, I'm reading and had a, and had a complete and other, uh,
05:01:27.960 brain fart um the uh the bringer of bail the worker of of um i don't i guess because i don't
05:01:39.880 speak her name very often um oh chat help me out i need help i i can admit it um the mother of
05:01:55.460 Fenris and Jormungandr
05:01:58.520 and Hel
05:02:00.380 is
05:02:01.180 Angerboda
05:02:03.100 sorry I don't know if anybody answered it or not
05:02:06.540 I'm actually looking at something else
05:02:08.720 Angerboda
05:02:10.340 the breeder
05:02:12.540 of misfortune
05:02:14.060 and the bringer of
05:02:15.740 the bearing forth if you will
05:02:18.280 but let me see I want to see did anybody answer that
05:02:20.260 yes
05:02:21.840 Adam you got it sorry I wasn't
05:02:24.400 actually looking at the script or looking at the side. I wasn't looking at the chat script and
05:02:29.360 good job. Yeah. Everybody's hitting it. I'm sorry. I just didn't hit me right away. But yeah,
05:02:40.720 that's what this is referencing to is the Alda, the ancient being that resides in the East Woods
05:02:45.600 in the Ironwoods or Ironvidi is Angerboda. 0.99
05:02:51.400 She is the true and kind of opposite of Sigrun, 1.00
05:02:57.080 the bearer forth of the tripartite of woe, if you will. 1.00
05:03:03.380 Fenris being the most detrimental in heaven
05:03:06.540 and Jormungandr being the most static in the middle
05:03:09.360 and Hela being the most stasis and kind of unoffending in Helgard,
05:03:14.720 but given a kind of position of function and so you see it as kind of again the closer to heaven
05:03:20.560 the closer to the tree the closer to the roots the closer to the gods versus the farther away
05:03:25.980 and that is really about the dissipation of a cycle and she represents that dissipation so um
05:03:34.300 you know it says the giantess of old in ironwood sat in the east and bore the brood of fenrir
05:03:42.320 Now, this could, again, some people have suggested perhaps this is Fenrir with Engroboda, but most likely with the usage of the word kinder, it means of the like.
05:03:57.720 So in Fenrir, Fenrir means the dweller in the fens. Fenrir's kind, Fenrir's ilk is that of the wolf, is that of the destructor, the consumer.
05:04:12.940 and among these ones 0.86
05:04:15.360 in monster's guise
05:04:16.500 was soon to steal the sun from the sky
05:04:19.120 and this of course is
05:04:20.580 referring to
05:04:22.980 Hathi and Skjol
05:04:25.140 that are later to be
05:04:27.300 mentioned, they're mentioned in
05:04:29.040 Grimnismal and
05:04:30.120 they're
05:04:31.800 the consumers of the light
05:04:35.200 the sun and the moon
05:04:37.160 This is really
05:04:39.020 an important point
05:04:40.240 um what does school and Haiti mean okay so let's uh let me let me um go forth here
05:04:54.940 uh skull in is uh again the way that it's written is S-K-O with two dots over it
05:05:01.840 And I want to give the proper understanding, let's see, and hatti, again, referencing to consumption, but let's see here.
05:05:19.800 yeah so um
05:05:24.720 so
05:05:27.220 skull in the sense of
05:05:30.020 scornful loud
05:05:32.040 laughter
05:05:33.660 the idea of like
05:05:36.400 it's
05:05:38.420 the laughter in the back of the room
05:05:40.640 when you fall
05:05:41.360 I threw that out there
05:05:46.160 as a
05:05:47.500 as a bit of a rhetorical device because i know the answer because it's really important
05:05:53.340 but the idea of mockery there's something said about somebody who complains
05:06:02.420 but there's a further level of mockery and making fun of making light of laughing when
05:06:14.240 those who try to do good things stumble and yeah the other literally means one who hates
05:06:26.100 the haters as it were
05:06:28.640 this is profound we see this in also true we see this in
05:06:37.320 pro-white circles that we are in all of the time and the truth plays out
05:06:46.640 the biggest element that seeks to ravenously devour any light and good that we have
05:06:59.140 are those that sit on the sidelines and criticize and hate on everything you try to do
05:07:08.740 and mock everyone who makes an effort this is the norse way of describing the crab in the bucket
05:07:19.020 in a profound and very meaningful way
05:07:24.100 my
05:07:30.740 my favorite
05:07:32.580 so I'm trying to
05:07:34.960 I wish you could find the text
05:07:37.060 because it's
05:07:38.460 it means the world to me
05:07:40.940 but one of the most meaningful
05:07:42.720 quotations
05:07:46.680 I suppose
05:07:47.940 is
05:07:52.100 is Teddy Roosevelt's Man in the Arena speech, because it's always meant a lot to me personally,
05:08:05.220 and it's really profound. And I think it encapsulates so much of what we talk about
05:08:14.860 regularly so much of the struggle of the afa over the decades now so much of the things that
05:08:28.220 that we all deal with and very specifically this concept and it's one of the bigger you know
05:08:37.260 The themes that I talk about is the idea that Auschwitz is about doing and not about thinking, and that it's very, very easy for people in mom's basement to criticize, but it's much, much harder to be out there doing and making things happen.
05:08:58.680 But this has always been so meaningful to me, the idea that the devouring forces of chaos that seek to swallow the sun and swallow the moon are the haters and mockery, literally the critics.
05:09:16.360 And so indulge me.
05:09:20.260 This is a part of Teddy Roosevelt's Citizen in the Republic speech.
05:09:27.320 Hold on one second.
05:09:28.680 Good night, baby. I love you. Can I get a hug?
05:09:34.820 I love you, too. Sorry about that.
05:09:39.420 All right.
05:09:40.620 So, Teddy says,
05:09:43.760 It's not the critic who counts,
05:09:45.920 not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles,
05:09:49.960 or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
05:09:53.560 The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
05:09:57.220 whose face is marred by dust and sweat blood who strives valiantly who errs who comes up short
05:10:07.360 again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcoming but who does
05:10:13.660 actually strive to do the deeds who knows great enthusiasms the great devotions who spends
05:10:22.220 himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement,
05:10:30.720 and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall
05:10:37.200 never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. Shame on the
05:10:44.720 man of cultivated taste who lets refinement to develop in his fastidiousness that unfits him
05:10:51.480 for doing the rough work of the of the workday world um
05:11:00.120 we talk in also true one of the things that you'll encounter time and again is that we are our deeds
05:11:07.160 there are a great many that search for any excuse not to do not to accomplish not to make deeds
05:11:14.040 happen in the world. One of the things that we've seen is the struggle to stay one step ahead of
05:11:22.300 the critics, one step ahead of the naysayers, one step ahead of the armchair quarterbacks who
05:11:30.680 always have something to say, but never have anything to show for it. And this may seem like
05:11:38.260 a strange aside, but it's a really important theme. And that's what I'm trying to jump on
05:11:43.400 in the Velospa as it's setting the tone
05:11:45.760 for the rest of our series that we're doing on this.
05:11:49.080 The theme of staying one step ahead
05:11:51.760 of the jaws of the wolf.
05:11:54.260 I always go back to the name of the program,
05:11:56.980 but that's why it's called Victory Never Sleeps,
05:11:59.500 is you can't let your guard down even for a second.
05:12:02.840 Because if you do, the wolf is at your heels
05:12:06.200 trying to devour you.
05:12:07.440 our big good versus evil split
05:12:14.740 in Auschwitz is order versus chaos
05:12:16.980 but the continuation of order is an action
05:12:22.460 and when you rest, entropy sets in
05:12:26.280 the act of not doing
05:12:30.180 leads to destruction
05:12:32.440 because the forces that surround us of chaos
05:12:35.740 are always there with gaping ma one step behind us if we stop if we get lazy if we get full of
05:12:44.820 ourselves if we rest on our laurels we are devoured we always have to stay one step ahead
05:12:52.360 of the wolf and i just thought this is a poignant reminder of that and it sets a tone for the rest
05:13:00.120 of our war yeah the scoffing um i've often spoke about that too is like the cynicism is the death
05:13:12.700 of uh in of a lot of things that are trying to be built up it's it's a destructive force
05:13:19.860 you always find a bunch of people building and focusing on inward and doing and creating and
05:13:26.600 organizing and building that structure and then you'll find the one off on the side scoffing the
05:13:32.600 one that that doesn't have true criticism but will just try to pick apart or create something or
05:13:38.920 create a straw man or or simply just kind of gaslight you into believing one way and that
05:13:44.600 is the scoffing cynicism that oftentimes plagues modern um perhaps with the with the uh the um
05:13:52.840 I'm an entity of, of, uh, of the internet that creates that, that scoffing this, but, uh, I remember somebody saying that, and this is something that made me think about this, the nature of scoffing and hatred kind of in hand in hand.
05:14:13.160 but one often is the visual and the other is like the hidden, um, intent is, uh, I remember
05:14:19.660 somebody saying that, uh, uh, in comparison to some of the victories that we've gained
05:14:24.900 in the, uh, Auschwitz folk assembly that, uh, they said, uh, oh, well, Christianity churches
05:14:31.660 are everywhere. That doesn't make them good or something like that. Or Christianity is everywhere
05:14:36.240 and that doesn't make it good and kind of trying to again scoff against the the achievements that
05:14:43.760 have been attained and and ultimately the the struggles that have been in order to make those
05:14:50.000 but simply just looking at the uh the the end results oh well the end results if you've got
05:14:56.560 glory and you've got victories that you know there's other people that have it too so that
05:15:01.120 doesn't mean that it's you know and that's this is the thing i just want to relate and i this is not
05:15:07.680 because i'm clever or because this was a sick burn but it's
05:15:14.400 posted a picture a while back of gothy rob stam at thorshoff doing a children's bloat with the
05:15:24.480 children and somebody on twitter felt that that was an appropriate thing to criticize and talk
05:15:33.200 about how that place looks soulless and whatever whatever nonsense they said 0.95
05:15:43.120 and i wasn't trying to be a jerk i was trying to put it in perspective and i said you know 0.98
05:15:47.440 okay please show me you know a picture of how your children do bloat in one of your 0.80
05:15:58.640 Hoffs so I can see it you know so I can see how to do it right well I didn't what I meant what
05:16:06.220 I really meant was okay you know that's the thing I the AFA is not above criticism I personally
05:16:16.660 and certainly not above criticism.
05:16:20.080 I am a great distance from perfection.
05:16:26.920 But if one's going to criticize,
05:16:30.040 let's have a suggestion of what we could do
05:16:33.640 to move forward better.
05:16:36.460 If you're going to come against us
05:16:40.140 as if we've got it all wrong and you've got it all right,
05:16:43.420 then certainly you have something to show for it that is comparable or is greater
05:16:54.560 so we can all figure it out and move forward together.
05:16:58.200 It's not about being free from any criticism.
05:17:04.260 There's time for just and right criticism.
05:17:07.260 But there's a certain segment of folks that think that criticism in and of itself is a noble deed, and it's not.
05:17:18.920 It's a lack of deeds.
05:17:25.000 There's stuff, and I noticed in the room earlier, like, I'm not ignorant, I'm not unaware, and I don't think the other people in here aren't either.
05:17:33.980 Absolutely, when you're done with the program, if you want,
05:17:36.620 Google about sewers in New York and crazy stuff if I'm in today.
05:17:40.900 It's there. It exists. It's just not what we do.
05:17:45.600 All of the thought that there's other groups of people out there holding us down,
05:17:51.620 sometimes there are.
05:17:52.940 But what I see daily are our own people holding us down through defeatism, through mockery, and through just petty, nitpicky criticism.
05:18:12.140 if half of that energy was put towards you know putting your shoulder to the wheel and pushing
05:18:21.380 and making this go forward it's amazing where we would be we'll get there eventually but we
05:18:29.260 would get there a lot faster with folks helping out instead of you know me me me me nonsense
05:18:36.900 sense. If you've got a better idea, cool. Better yet, if you've got something you're doing that's
05:18:42.620 better, let us know. We'll get behind it. But if you don't, get on the team. Help push. Let's
05:18:47.640 make stuff happen. And correct me, we're moving on to 41. Yes, I tend to hijack these. That's
05:19:02.140 I didn't want to skip, but I mean, again, very poignant parts.
05:19:09.520 And I think perhaps bringing to light things that have merit,
05:19:17.580 especially in the olden times to now, worth noting.
05:19:24.740 Let's see here.
05:19:26.280 There feeds he full on the flesh of the dead
05:19:29.160 And the home of the gods
05:19:32.240 He reddens with gore
05:19:34.080 And so
05:19:36.400 This of course
05:19:40.880 To referencing
05:19:42.200 To Fenris
05:19:46.780 And the idea of
05:19:47.780 The idea of the
05:19:49.460 Tainting of heaven
05:19:51.000 By
05:19:52.500 The chaos wolf
05:19:55.000 By the Fenris
05:19:55.920 By the dweller of the Fen
05:19:57.680 um but it's you know it's again some people could take it to that it's also in reference to
05:20:07.840 need hogar but the uh the home of the gods is the key one he reddens with gore i think that is the
05:20:16.080 again a resurgence of or a returning of fenris to his home where he was raised which is
05:20:27.120 the heavenly abode. And dark grows the sun. And in summer soon come mighty storms. Would you know
05:20:37.000 yet more? So now we begin to look at both Ragnarok in the coming of the forces against the gods and
05:20:46.480 of kind of natural perhaps um indications so um you know it's when when the time is to come
05:21:00.080 there the the the one the red sullied chest of fenris the one who who you know besmirched the
05:21:07.760 gods with his, with his, um, wantonness is now return. It is well return and the sky will grow
05:21:15.980 dark, uh, and the storms will come. And, um, some people have gone into even like literalizing that
05:21:23.700 like in the summertime, there'll be great storms and then we'll come the fimble winter of three.
05:21:29.800 And so I I'm not, um, you know, putting that forth or anything like that, but it's just,
05:21:35.580 And it's interesting how the referencing of time is used, and specifically summer.
05:21:41.660 Summer does, you know, come the mighty storms.
05:21:45.760 And this one is interesting, too.
05:21:51.100 So now we get into Egthor.
05:21:56.860 On a hill there sat and smote on his harp, Egthor the joyous, the giant's warder.
05:22:05.000 So this, again, I think is referencing to the edge bound, perhaps the one who presides over the edges of Jotunheim, but apparently in the usage of the harp, I think that this is giving denote to perhaps a terrible sound.
05:22:28.000 his name means is is the like the edge cut um that which is you know sliced and um he is you 0.92
05:22:40.240 know joyous though he's the warder of the yotnar and um he sits uh above him there is a a cock
05:22:50.160 in the birdwood crowned fair and red did fjallar fjallar stand and so what's going on right now
05:22:58.260 is the mentioning of the resounding sounds there is the mention of the roosters in one in heaven
05:23:08.460 one in midgard and one in the the world below and why again it's so important to emphasize
05:23:14.800 the placement of the tripartite,
05:23:19.320 the upper, the middle, the lower.
05:23:20.880 It's consistently emphasized
05:23:23.700 over and over and over again.
05:23:25.440 And this, again, is the sounding of...
05:23:28.180 In the east comes the baying
05:23:33.100 of the cock that crows,
05:23:35.240 that now is the time 0.58
05:23:36.600 in which the end of the gods is nigh
05:23:38.780 and the jotuns are to amass.
05:23:41.800 And then, of course, in heaven,
05:23:44.800 so it goes uh you know in 42 there's the jotun who sits on the edge and he takes to note that
05:23:51.840 the uh the the uh crows in jotunheim and just as the same it appears again with uh lord heimdall
05:24:03.440 that the uh and there then the gods crowed gulden combi or golden comb
05:24:10.800 and he wakes the heroes in odin's hall or in valhall and beneath the earth does another crow
05:24:18.120 a rust red bird at the bars or the the gates of hell and it's the the the crow is the there
05:24:27.560 the cock that is that crows in helgard is not mentioned by name and i have seen poetic usages
05:24:36.520 of it some people say because of the rust red uh you know it's the salt rather the sooty red
05:24:44.440 um like chicken or rooster honey uh the salt router um he is soot red black red and um some
05:24:56.120 people i've taken poetically to call them roider combi or bloder combi blood red comb or but those
05:25:05.400 are poetic usages not found in the lore just simply is not named um in 43 it just says salt
05:25:16.120 um sooty red um in 44 it says now garm and remember this was the interpolation that
05:25:23.800 happened in hawksbock where it was back at 40 um but now garmer howls loud at nipahel at the at the
05:25:34.840 gates at the the entry point and the fetters that hold him will burst and the wolf runs for
05:25:44.200 now uh is this reference to the wolf being garmer most likely not it's probably a reference to
05:25:51.160 fenris because garmer was kind of seen as a hound and not as a wolf but a lot of people do kind of
05:25:57.560 make that mistake um or or you know make that connection i should say uh but it's no he's
05:26:04.040 howling and the gates of of that which is dissipated that which we never come back from
05:26:09.240 is now um shuddering and he's howling and then fenris is loosened from his his uh chains in the
05:26:18.920 east in the black lake you know where his slobber is poisoning the water that flows into the middle
05:26:25.720 world and the the sword that in his mouth in his mouth is pulled um and you know it's uh the um
05:26:38.920 the the wolf runs free much do i know and more can see of the fate of the gods the mighty in fight
05:26:45.480 and so now begins the the onslaught of uh ragnarok brothers shall fight
05:26:54.520 and fell each other and sister's son shall kinship stain so and this is
05:27:01.580 there's a lot of interpretation in this one and i really like the way he worded it because
05:27:07.060 i have seen some other ones where it's like you know uh um perhaps the idea is like brothers and
05:27:14.760 sisters will, will lay together. Um, I, you know, and the, and again, that, that is one of the
05:27:22.080 interpretations of kin, staining the kinship is the sanctity of, of, of that. And that just the
05:27:28.040 absolute and wanton kind of immoral sense. But, um, and that's a tendency where I take it,
05:27:36.620 but again, I want to be honest with it is, is that, you know, the, the, um, the kinship of
05:27:43.140 the folk uh in just in general is is also being torn asunder there's there's no peace
05:27:52.060 to be had between uh the folk and they fight each other and they fell each other 0.99
05:27:57.640 um hard it is on the earth with mighty whoredom uh and that's the one i wanted to to really look 0.99
05:28:06.380 up, but we'll get to that in a second, but it's an ax time, a sword time, shields are sundered, 1.00
05:28:13.800 wind time, wolf time. And again, in the translation is old is an age. So it could be easily just said
05:28:22.820 ax age, sword age, or a time like an epoch or an epic. It's the epoch of the ax, the epoch of the
05:28:30.700 sword. It's the winding age. It's the wolfing age. Ere the world falls, nor ever shall men
05:28:38.080 each other spare. A great time of war and strife, where all bonds between marriage and kinship are
05:28:47.640 stained, and
05:28:49.580 there's no return.
05:28:57.640 Yeah, so
05:28:59.000 let me see here,
05:29:01.500 where we were on that one.
05:29:04.200 Yeah, so the 0.72
05:29:05.060 Hordom,
05:29:07.840 the Hordom,
05:29:10.160 the great Hordom,
05:29:11.600 Mikil, Mikil is the great,
05:29:13.700 so it is the
05:29:15.240 that kind of sense of wantonness or the destitution, the immoral.
05:29:27.200 And again, a lot of people try to throw this, that Snorri's just, 0.85
05:29:30.380 oh, there he goes being a Christian again.
05:29:32.740 But I mean, the word is clearly in relation to whoredom is an Anglo-Saxon word. 0.98
05:29:39.020 Hordormr is, of course, an Old Norse word.
05:29:42.600 It's not something where he's like, you know, stating stuff about Sodom and Gomorrah or something from the Bible.
05:29:48.900 I mean, he's it is known. It is a word that can quantify a thing.
05:29:52.800 And that thing is, again, wantonness and an immoral impropriety. 0.98
05:29:58.820 And that's why I often say, you know, it's like, again, Ausatru is a moral religion. 0.97
05:30:03.760 And in the way it frames itself is based on order.
05:30:07.340 And anything against order is ultimately immoral, not necessarily saying unnatural, because disorder happens in nature quite often.
05:30:15.900 And there's much that can be said in nature that is natural, but we would never do it.
05:30:22.060 And so we always stick to the to the premise of morality versus whether it's, you know, happens in nature or it's natural.
05:30:33.980 No, there is immoralness that is worth to be noted.
05:30:40.520 And that is that that is this time, the time that is it.
05:30:43.500 So it's making kind of a reference to the prophecy of the of the earth being filled with strife and immorality or immoral behavior.
05:30:53.260 And brothers and sisters are and there's no kidship that that's sanctified anymore.
05:31:02.220 and so everything begins to dissolve and the hierarchy of life begins to break down
05:31:07.980 i think that's a really truly kind of powerful everybody seems to mention or or remember this
05:31:14.860 stanza in particular you know the axe age the the sword age the wind age the wolf age that's such a
05:31:22.300 very powerful um usage even when we translate it to our language it has a very very powerful point
05:31:29.980 But again, we see that because the perennial truths of our stories is that, again, it's not perhaps stating any but all times like that and all ages like that, that we can see these cycles pass through.
05:31:47.760 So I don't know if it denotes to a singular thing or singular time.
05:31:52.320 and uh brings us elaborate on uh that does bring us to the end yeah i wanted to
05:32:09.200 so i went in and uh said good night to my daughter and i got back in time to catch swan's bit about
05:32:16.960 just because it could possibly be found in nature doesn't make it the natural order of things
05:32:25.120 and i think that harkens back to what i was saying earlier the rule is based on
05:32:33.760 the commonality not based on the one exception or the one outlier mutation exists freaks exist
05:32:44.160 but the reason freaks are interesting and we you know marvel at them or are disgusted by them or
05:32:55.040 have a strange reaction to them is they deviate from the norm and from what is the right order
05:33:03.140 of nature certainly you find um deviations in nature that occur and we marvel at them because
05:33:15.140 they are so odd in their occurrence just because something could possibly be found in nature
05:33:23.860 doesn't make it quote unquote natural natural refers to the natural order of things and how
05:33:32.020 things are supposed to work and how things optimally work um the disruptions we see in
05:33:39.860 nature are often omens of calamity and bad things
05:33:45.140 Svon, are you ready to start part three of the Volusbou?
05:34:00.920 Yes, my alzheiragothi, I am ready.
05:34:05.140 Proceed. 0.77
05:34:07.140 Proceed.
05:34:09.320 Well, okay.
05:34:10.660 So we're, we are moving into the last and final part.
05:34:17.440 Let's see.
05:34:18.620 We're.
05:34:21.840 Okay.
05:34:22.660 So just to kind of catch up a little bit, I believe we're all on stanza 51.
05:34:30.180 Correct.
05:34:30.660 um let me just double check that again because i think we ended on
05:34:39.620 46. ah dang it i'm all i'm like five ahead
05:34:44.400 um okay so
05:34:49.580 now uh this this is truly an interesting uh
05:34:57.900 stanza because of the usage of the words the the plurals of sun the fast move the sons of mim
05:35:07.380 and fate is heard in the note of yellow horn so the second line in that is pretty clear we know
05:35:17.900 about the referencing of the sounding of yellow horn yellow horn again if people were to wonder
05:35:26.540 and i've made mention of it before with the river gyal the the river gyal and the word
05:35:33.900 have the same root to mean like to yelp or to cry out in this case you know gyal is more of a
05:35:44.040 resounding the resounding horner or the the horn of great calling and this is clear but that first
05:35:50.580 line fast moves the sons of mim and fate so there's a lot of debate as to exactly
05:36:03.940 who this is is relating to especially in in the fact that mimir is not mentioned as having
05:36:11.300 uh children um some people have thought that this might just simply mean the gods themselves
05:36:19.060 uh others have correlated it to be jotins that the idea that mimir is especially under snorri
05:36:28.860 snorri didn't do a lot to align um the gods he didn't see the gods as you know tribal alliances
05:36:38.360 or it really the way we see them is is you know in correlation to their dominion and the power
05:36:45.380 that they have and that anybody that aligns themselves with the dominion of the gods is in
05:36:49.780 essence an aus of some way shape or form whether they're a beloved one or they're actually an aus
05:36:56.220 or an aus is you know that that's the hierarchy um so some people have taken this to mean that
05:37:04.900 the you know the sons of mim might have been in relation to the idea of the jotuns um i don't
05:37:12.980 have a huge take on this. Um, I think that, and I don't say this very often, um,
05:37:25.720 occasionally the, the writing of the Adas and the poems, there's a couple of
05:37:31.940 like logistical errors in which things aren't quite expounded on because there's not enough
05:37:40.780 space or time. Sometimes I look at it as does the context of the audience, does the audience
05:37:46.740 understand it? And maybe we don't. That could be the case with this line, but it could also
05:37:53.900 be a misnomer of placement. We don't know if Snorty or even our ancestors really understood
05:38:07.220 or placed a heavy emphasis on Mimir and say the concepts of time as more or less a, you know,
05:38:15.820 a part of the whole kind of painting the story with words. So, I mean, I would say most likely
05:38:24.840 they're referring to the Jotunar because of everything that's happening in the poem.
05:38:30.440 And, you know, we talk now about the Jotuns. We talk now about the accursed dead and the sons of Muspel. And so all of the chaotic forces are now in motion. And because of that motion, he who can see at great distance, he pulls his horn, holds it aloft, and sounds it. 0.96
05:39:00.440 and and this uh these these next two parts obviously he sounds it but that last line
05:39:06.020 in fear quake all who on hell's roads are so
05:39:11.060 that's an interesting one because in the uh old Norse it says
05:39:19.820 So the mention of Hell's Roads is actually kind of, I think, a part on Bellows, you know, issue is that he kind of added in there the idea of the dead looking up and kind of seeing and hearing the sound of the resounding of heaven.
05:39:49.820 You know, but in there, you know, he, he holds up or he gives out the call of his horn aloft.
05:39:58.420 And I really, let me see, because I've always, you know, when we talk about Mims Hallwood and Hallwood in relation to, I'm going to look into that just as we're going.
05:40:19.820 but um this 46 this stanza in particular is truly an interesting one and I think that a lot of
05:40:29.020 translators have issues with it and they try to understand um or make you know use of it that all
05:40:36.800 the stuff about Heimdall is very clear and understood but the sons of of uh Mimir or Mim
05:40:43.480 And also the Old Norse version of the stanza doesn't equate those on Hell's Road being, you know, called forth or hearing the sound.
05:41:02.120 I'm really like, it's throwing me off and I'm like, I want to look up something.
05:41:06.240 So I want to see because of one thing in particular.
05:41:08.200 But what we're getting right now is, again, the story is starting to take its zenith point.
05:41:20.680 The zenith point is really, I think, all the movement.
05:41:24.500 And the Valla is talking about the unknown at this point.
05:41:30.100 She's speaking to Lord Odin in a projected sense of what will come.
05:41:35.640 Now, it's worth noting that I think our ancestors and by design, the gods, you know, project an idea of hope.
05:41:49.060 There's a sliver of hope in this is that for us, the future is not projected, but is a cumulative events of will.
05:41:59.780 and so that which is not is basically a projection like someone pulling back an arrow or pulling back
05:42:10.360 a bowstring with an arrow in it you can project the idea of where it will fly based on when it
05:42:18.240 is loose but it's not fully there yet and there's a lot of things that can happen along the way
05:42:24.520 And I think that's the key point as to why Lord Odin is doing what he's doing. And I mean that in a very real sense. I'm not, I'm not speaking about that in a hypothetical is I think that a lot of people have a tendency to forget that Lord Odin isn't just the Faustian caveat.
05:42:40.600 He isn't just the archetypal mindset that a lot of people have.
05:42:46.200 It's that Odin is actively doing things in order to, again, change the direction of or at least prolong the projection of the Vala's prophecy.
05:43:00.880 And this is where we start to move into that.
05:43:04.340 This is the arrow in flight, if you will, but possibly changed by the wind.
05:43:09.060 you know, there's a lot going on here. Um, so when we move to 47, uh, it says Yggdrasil shakes
05:43:24.480 and shiver on high, the ancient limbs and the giant is loose. Now it, again, that part there
05:43:37.340 is interesting because in the Norse
05:43:39.400 it says
05:43:40.300 it is
05:43:49.440 the
05:43:50.340 giant as in like
05:43:53.560 humanity
05:43:55.180 the usage of that word
05:43:57.240 I don't think it's specifically
05:43:59.000 talking about a
05:44:01.260 giant unless there's
05:44:03.420 something lost in there and maybe later
05:44:05.280 on in other
05:44:06.060 Or in other contexts, perhaps it is talking about Loki himself or Surtr, but it doesn't quite, you know, focus on that.
05:44:24.680 And I've always taken that to mean more of like the Jotun losnar. 0.85
05:44:29.660 The Jotun are the giant is loose is kind of an overall statement of the forces of chaos have now come unbound. 0.99
05:44:40.720 So here we have Yggdrasil shakes and shivers on high. 0.92
05:44:48.300 The ancient limbs and the giant is loose.
05:44:51.240 To the head of Mim
05:44:53.580 Does Odin give heed
05:44:56.440 So here is a point
05:44:58.000 That I think really emphasizes
05:44:59.960 The dynamicism of Lord Odin
05:45:04.000 Is that he immediately transfers
05:45:05.860 Through realms
05:45:06.820 And enters the realm of chaos
05:45:09.980 As it is now starting to boil
05:45:12.360 And bubble
05:45:14.100 He goes into
05:45:15.780 The depths and the secret places
05:45:17.840 Within the realm of chaos
05:45:19.620 Um, and then it says here, you know, but, but the kids, the kinsmen of Surt shall slay him soon.
05:45:32.380 And again, most people would, you know, um, begin to wonder, well, okay, how is the kinsmen of Surt?
05:45:39.920 If Fenris is the slayer of Odin, how is Fenris a kinsman of Surt?
05:45:49.620 And that makes a very interesting point.
05:45:55.880 Again, I think there is a huge amount of clerical errors in relation to connecting the dots, especially in this part.
05:46:06.360 And it kind of paints the entirety of everything happening with a sense of uncertainty, even though I think it wasn't done on purpose.
05:46:15.000 I think it was done accidentally.
05:46:19.620 Again, this brings up a lot of the, I've heard a lot of discussions about how Lord Odin is perhaps slain by an unprojected, and I mean this in the sense that people haven't quite found a solid answer,
05:46:39.360 But have thought of or perhaps levied an idea that Lord Odin is slain by a Jotun or a kinsman of Surt
05:46:50.660 Whereas perhaps Fenris is more a meeting of which Lord Tyr has to finish his cycle
05:47:01.060 Because again, a lot of people have keyed in on the idea that it's odd that Lord Tyr faces off with Gorm
05:47:08.060 and lord odin faces off with fenris and here they're mentioning the you know the kinsmen of
05:47:13.120 cert and um you know either this was just seen as uh another agent of the jotnar or of the
05:47:24.920 entirety of the chaos and that that's what binds them is that now they're you know enemies of the
05:47:30.440 gods and so any enemy of the gods is a kinsman to each other i mean we could read it into that
05:47:36.720 And I don't exactly know how far we can stretch it.
05:47:42.200 But there's, I think, a clear sense of there's framing and leaning here in order to create, I think, connective points while also maintaining poetic correction or correct like meter and correct, you know, linguistic holdings.
05:48:04.600 And so these two stanzas are extremely interesting when we look at them, and there's a lot to pick apart.
05:48:19.500 You know, I'm especially – like I'm looking here, and I want to see, but we're going to continue on because I just wanted to bring up points.
05:48:30.080 The other thing is, it's not necessarily to explain all things within the poem as it is to entice everyone listening to look at the poems, look at some of the translations, look how the translators may have turned things or shifted things in order to create their interpretations in a better light.
05:48:53.980 Um, you know, as, as we, you know, go through, I'm in, I'm beckoning people to look at these
05:49:02.560 stanzas and try to figure them out and try to, uh, you know, take in their own, um,
05:49:10.340 conceptualizations. I'm trying to state general arguments throughout, um, that have been made
05:49:17.880 some that I've heard some that I've read about some that have been discussed, um, you know,
05:49:23.580 throughout either the lore within the Gothar or the lore within, you know, just peer studies in relation to this.
05:49:36.680 And again, you know, there's the, you know, connection between these two.
05:49:43.660 The last line in Fearquake All, Who on Hell's Roads Are, whereas the last, you know, line in Old Norse is,
05:49:54.040 And that is not the, you know, the direct correlation.
05:50:03.620 So these two are truly interesting.
05:50:09.680 But we see now that Lord Odin moves his way towards the well of mim
05:50:18.760 The well of memory
05:50:20.060 Of all actions that have come
05:50:22.200 And all things
05:50:23.580 And now is, in essence, seeing the motion of which things are going
05:50:27.460 And the Vala asks in 48
05:50:31.960 How fair the gods?
05:50:35.060 The Ausum
05:50:35.720 You know, kvad er med Ausum?
05:50:39.680 how fares the gods how fares the elves all of Jotunheim groans and the gods are at council
05:50:55.140 they hold althinki they're holding council and trying to again um project their their next move
05:51:04.880 at the well of earth
05:51:06.960 in heaven
05:51:08.240 loud roars 1.00
05:51:11.260 the dwarves 0.71
05:51:12.100 by the doors of stone
05:51:15.660 and again
05:51:16.740 the gates
05:51:19.080 the gates in which they're
05:51:21.300 talking about is most likely the gates
05:51:23.480 of Nidavellr but
05:51:25.060 you know when we talk about the
05:51:27.660 the 1.00
05:51:28.080 Dvergar
05:51:30.100 the Svartalf 0.93
05:51:32.000 we're talking about them
05:51:34.820 beseeching the threshold of the material the masters of the rocks would you would you know
05:51:45.380 yet or more so here now we start we're seeing linguistic and poetic placement of the gods
05:51:52.400 lord odin is moving the gods are gathering to counsel again it's been stated that the gods
05:51:57.860 hold their counsel at the well of erg in heaven so we know now that if the gods are holding
05:52:06.380 counsel they're holding counsel at the well of time and its creation um so all of creation is
05:52:13.780 kind of churning right now the only one i would say that's notably lost in these stanzas is
05:52:21.040 what's happening in vanaheim which is just an interesting point or perhaps the idea is again
05:52:29.380 poetics doesn't allow it i mean they mentioned the elves they mentioned jotunheim and they've
05:52:34.840 mentioned you know uh nivelheim and they mentioned svartalfan but nothing of vanaheim and i i think
05:52:42.960 that the ultimate understanding of that is that vanaheim is much too akin on the middle world
05:52:50.860 as Yggdrasil is to the whole of creation.
05:52:54.720 It is that life spark, that place of starting.
05:52:58.920 And I don't think that, you know, that place goes away.
05:53:01.840 And I think that it's worth pondering and conceptualizing.
05:53:08.580 We talk about Yggdrasil and its shakenness,
05:53:12.000 but it does in its own form and heaven itself survive,
05:53:18.520 even though everything is wiped.
05:53:20.860 And of the middle worlds, most pointedly is that the Vanaheim survives, and that in the lower, Helheim itself survives as well, almost like an encapsulation point.
05:53:40.540 So each of the three levels in the Aryan mythos have like an encapsulation place, and each one of those things holds its place, its point.
05:53:56.200 So this is – in stanza 49, there is a mentioning that we will see again.
05:54:06.040 this is um this is a a repeating um in which you know out lies out cries out um garm the the hound
05:54:19.240 of the dead the hound of hell um the the hell hound is at the gates and it is baying out because
05:54:27.880 things are loosening and the fetters will burst and the wolf will run free so you know this again
05:54:34.280 referencing clearly to fenris but also to all fetters and the fetters will burst in the idea
05:54:42.200 that even garm's place of keeping and containing things is lost so helgard opens up jotenheim
05:54:53.720 opens up and even heaven is opened up and all the fetters and all the bindings all the gates
05:55:00.520 All the thresholds are loosened.
05:55:04.880 The rivers are shaking and the gates are thrown asunder, thrown open.
05:55:13.480 And she says, much do I know and more can I see of the fates of the gods and mighty in fight.
05:55:21.920 And so she speaks here of Ragnarok.
05:55:26.920 And in the Old Norse.
05:55:29.640 And again, that is truly the, it's the regency, if you will, of the powers, of mighty powers.
05:55:42.220 So it is the inevitable, it is the fate of the mighty powers as they are coming to be tied and they're coming to be wound towards their doom.
05:55:52.740 Here we have mention in stanza 50
05:55:59.660 Hrim is how it's pronounced
05:56:02.940 From the east comes Hrim
05:56:07.940 With shield held high
05:56:09.960 Now it's worth noting that the word Hrim
05:56:13.920 Means cracked with age
05:56:16.500 Or to become decrepit
05:56:19.840 Or to become aged
05:56:21.380 And again, you see repeatedly Jotunheim is often kind of seen as a place where time ends or time breaks apart. It's that threshold between the world of man and the underworld, and that is kind of where time dissipates.
05:56:39.620 That's why Mimir's well is there. And again, I think it applies here with Primr and his agedness, the agedness of his cracking and coming to an older state. 0.71
05:56:53.280 Again, the Jotunar are always seen as elder beings or beings that have been around like the mountains, and that's kind of how the jump came into them being giants.
05:57:06.940 But the elderness of them is oftentimes, I think, lost, and his name really holds true to it.
05:57:17.060 And he comes from the east with his shield held high.
05:57:20.300 This, of course, means ready to battle. He's, he's generally seen as, you know, the strength of the gods is rallying behind. I mean, it's the strengths of the giants is rallying behind him. So his shield is held high and he's, he is ready.
05:57:35.160 And, you know, in the strength of the gods
05:57:40.100 Does the serpent writhe
05:57:43.040 In the giant wrath
05:57:44.520 The word yatun modhi is the word that is used
05:57:49.020 And that would, again, correlate to the ancient strength of the jotunar
05:57:56.640 Their being
05:57:58.180 And in that strength soon comes about the twisting or the writhing
05:58:04.340 or the curdling edges of the serpent writhe.
05:58:11.360 And again, this is, you know, speaking of Jormungandr.
05:58:17.940 And it's not mentioned in the English translation,
05:58:21.460 but it is in the Old Norse.
05:58:26.260 So, you know, from the east comes Hrim with shield held high.
05:58:31.340 And here we have 1.00
05:58:33.140 So the writhing Jormungandr 1.00
05:58:49.160 Is of 1.00
05:58:51.240 Great Jotun strength 0.90
05:58:53.580 Or is of Jotun strength
05:58:54.720 So it's really interesting when we see these translations
05:58:57.240 Because it doesn't make a lot of sense
05:58:59.160 In English
05:59:00.260 the way that it's directly written, and it has to be kind of contextualized.
05:59:06.780 And then again, what does it exactly mean in Jotun strength?
05:59:12.140 So, you know, again, in ancient and great strength.
05:59:19.320 I'm getting a little echo.
05:59:22.400 We're still doing that?
05:59:24.980 Let's see.
05:59:29.260 Okay.
05:59:30.260 And we're still doing audio, correct?
05:59:38.240 Okay.
05:59:40.700 So.
05:59:47.820 All right.
05:59:50.520 You know, here it mentions,
05:59:52.720 Over the waves, he twists, and the tawny eagle gnaws corpses screaming.
06:00:03.640 Nail, fari, or, you know, it's worth noting that the G is kind of a softer G, so instead of nagel far, it would be pronounced nail, nail.
06:00:19.700 like the g is kind of a almost a y sound nail fari uh the the nail farrier um again like a
06:00:30.580 scratching hand uh it is loose um and that would be of course because that right there at the end
06:00:37.600 it's it's uh speaks of it being loosed and it's automatically kind of understood that the audience
06:00:44.500 would know exactly what we're talking about in reference because it's not fully explained later
06:00:52.260 but uh you know with snorty kind of contextualizing it in the um
06:00:57.540 scout scarpus uh mall or in the gilfagini um
06:01:05.540 but the uh the the part here that you might see is the tawny eagle uh the the word for eagle is
06:01:13.380 ari it's very much like arn in um german arn like arn old means old eagle or a great eagle
06:01:22.980 and so ari um here and ari locker uh slitter now we need foller need voller is like the need
06:01:36.820 is the bodies. And what this is most likely referring to, to give context, is the great
06:01:44.280 Jotun, uh, known as Reisvelk, the, the, the, uh, the Jotun of the wind, or the Jotun of the stir
06:01:55.840 of the wind, or at least the Jotun of wind, perhaps that's, that is, um, a blight wind,
06:02:02.720 a vile wind because again i think it's it's worth noting that we shouldn't contextualize the gods or
06:02:10.000 the jotuns and their powers in the middle as being one for one it's not you know uh thor
06:02:16.320 god of storms it is that their dominion and the place in which they
06:02:23.960 replicate their dominion in the middle world and so we understand that the jotun art have this
06:02:29.060 And so, you know, Heisfeld could be contextualized as perhaps the creator of a specific type of storm or, again, baleful storms, storms that have, you know, kind of, again, a destructive intent, whether that you could say perhaps, you know, I know a lot of people have theorized the idea that tornadoes could be seen as worms.
06:02:58.880 or serpents um and you know or hurricanes in a sense these baleful winds are kind of stirred by
06:03:08.240 the uh the eagle on the edge and in in our uh our cosmological drawing uh you will see there is an
06:03:18.720 eagle with like wafts of wind off of his wings and that's who they're met you know who we're
06:03:24.880 referencing to. So the, you know, Jotunheim starts to flow towards the middle. The under is starting
06:03:33.940 to rise up and they're all, their final destination really is about transferring over and towards the
06:03:42.940 land of the gods. And it's worth, again, reemphasizing our ancestors saw the gods as being
06:03:50.440 above but within the middle of the world they didn't you know see the gods as being on top
06:04:00.620 of the tree they don't really mention that as being the cases they see the tree as being in
06:04:06.700 the center place of the world and that place is above the clouds or above um the shining place
06:04:14.720 above Leoselfheim, the mountaintops that hold the gods aloft are never fully contextualized
06:04:22.940 as being a specific mountain range or anything of that nature as more or less just that center
06:04:30.400 place. And here you'd have to think of it as, again, if we're looking at the world in a flat
06:04:36.820 sense under your feet the yotan are coming from the east and with it they're stirring up the wind 0.85
06:04:44.900 so you have cream and all the yotan that are you know have been itching to get to the center
06:04:51.520 and get to the over the midgarth and up into the heavenly realm they're crossing through 0.99
06:04:59.100 into our world and bringing with them chaos and destruction and so the the eagle is flying over
06:05:06.500 them. And it's stirring up the wind of great storms. Jormungandr is writhing in the water
06:05:11.960 and the, the Jotnar are themselves coming. And from the North, there is a cave and out of the 1.00
06:05:17.920 cave is spilling forth the, you know, the, the accursed dead, the ones that are, you know,
06:05:23.440 that have, were rejected by their ancestors and their, their Vargar and their, you know,
06:05:31.240 just you know riding in and up on this ship so in a way the the poetics i think are kind of
06:05:39.620 keeping to a rule but when you talk about it from a storytelling standpoint it is very much an epic
06:05:45.740 kind of enclosing of the middle which everything is kind of writhing and rolling and wind is blowing
06:05:53.760 and churning there the the words here are kind of lost with the imagery that are placed inside the
06:06:01.680 context um so you know i like to bring that into point um when we talk about it in a story form
06:06:10.860 it's like imagine our ancestors you know hearing this and seeing things in a uh dimensional sense
06:06:17.740 that is based around under their feet you know we know for a fact and a lot of people have asked
06:06:23.520 you know does also true uh believe the world is flat does um you know the conception conceptualization
06:06:31.200 of that and i don't think that's the case i think that just as much as say christianity was looking
06:06:37.120 at the world in a solar centric i mean uh earth centric view as opposed to a solar one our
06:06:43.920 ancestors were looking at from the individual uh from the from the the folk as they stood
06:06:52.720 and so in that sense all of the paradigms are mythically laid out but they're also
06:06:59.840 spiritually correct the idea of of the you know the upper world is where the gods reside
06:07:06.000 in the east where the chaos comes that's where the that's where um the uh the yotnar come from
06:07:12.240 the west you know that's where the the life and and the um growing and the cycles of all things
06:07:19.040 and beneath us is where the dvergar are and beneath that is where you know the the souls
06:07:25.280 return to vergelmer and the the roiling and and uh rolling uh well so it's i think it is
06:07:35.120 super important to look at cosmology in two ways is one is as it is written but also too
06:07:42.160 as it was conceptualized from ourselves and from our feet and from where we sit and from where we
06:07:48.800 stand and from where our house is um as opposed to um you know seeing um you know it's like if i
06:07:57.200 drive to the east i'm not going to hit jotun or if i you know go eastward from my position directly
06:08:06.400 you know off the planet and into you know the cosmos it's it's again it's about planar um
06:08:14.720 thresholds and what these planar thresholds mean and what the powers and the dominions that derive
06:08:22.160 from there. The gods are above and they derive their power and dominion down into the middle
06:08:28.160 world. The Jotunar in the east and they derive their power into us in a westward motion. The
06:08:36.160 Vanir in the west and they derive their power easterly into creation. And so all of these 1.00
06:08:42.960 things are, I think, really important and get lost when people try to diagram or perhaps
06:08:50.160 overanalyze just strictly the poems.
06:08:57.180 Svon, so a lot of these things that we're going over in specifically these last five
06:09:09.380 stanzas aren't really that separate they're all imagery that explains to us that chaos has broken
06:09:20.340 down the structure that orders our cosmos and our existence and you see that as swan said in different
06:09:32.420 context in different parts of the alignment of the worlds you see all of these things colliding
06:09:42.580 because the the elements in our cosmology that cause separation that cause order that cause
06:09:51.060 structure are broken down and things from one begin flowing into the other in chaotic violent
06:10:03.140 ways the order of the cosmos is broken and shaken up and that's the the most grand scale that they
06:10:13.380 can portray ragnarok on is chaos breaking down that structure and encroaching upon
06:10:22.980 the very essence of order which is our gods and that's that's where we're at starting this next uh
06:10:34.420 next section what's that starting about 51 i believe so
06:10:43.380 it's funny oh i think we had a couple of things we do have some questions everybody who asked
06:10:48.980 questions on the other side um we have those written down and we'll we'll definitely get to
06:10:57.140 those um folks that ask questions that aren't related to the text we'll get to those when we're
06:11:03.380 all done with the text so we do remember it's they're there and we will get to them
06:11:09.380 one that does have something to do with the text though the wolf throne asks is mimir the godhead
06:11:18.340 and i think i think that's an interesting question and i think the concept
06:11:25.700 of a godhead in general is confusing especially depending upon which religious tradition
06:11:32.900 is using the term. In one sense, Mimir literally is memory and is the contemplative nature of that
06:11:52.000 memory in a very real way mimir embodies the the folk memory it embodies the something that comes
06:12:03.520 from that ancient time before the current order is established it's a his mimir's head is a font of
06:12:14.160 ancient memory it's a font of orlog and the idea that it springs forth its
06:12:22.000 an embodiment or a access point
06:12:25.780 to that which springs from the most ancient
06:12:29.360 and from the beginning,
06:12:31.280 there are elements that do coincide
06:12:33.780 with an impersonal Godhead element.
06:12:37.860 But our myth isn't broken down
06:12:41.340 in that kind of verbiage and kind of function.
06:12:45.060 So I don't think there's a clean yes or no answer.
06:12:48.620 And the fact that it's a font of Orlog,
06:12:51.540 if you will um one of the other elements just kind of in the poeticness of the the sons
06:12:58.420 of of mimir in a way that speaks
06:13:04.980 a lot
06:13:07.860 through the progression because it talks about that in relation to fate and you know
06:13:14.820 know, the sons of memory chronologically take us into into a present. And they mentioned fate as
06:13:23.800 into a, you know, likely future outcome. So it gets those three separate ideas of time in that
06:13:32.640 one passage in a very poetic way. And that's the thing, Chris, reading your comment over inside
06:13:40.880 depends on what you read in um christian religious studies godhead means something
06:13:48.000 slightly different than in hindu religious studies than it does in jewish religious studies
06:13:54.480 all of those things have a different degree on how much godhead equals a personal totality
06:14:03.440 of their supreme god or how much it is the concept of godness itself or you know various
06:14:14.080 things along that structure the truth that underlies that underlies god in some of those
06:14:20.320 conceptions so again it's not it's not exactly clean the more you read it um but no mimir does
06:14:30.320 not equal prime mover impersonal supreme god but certainly is a font towards accessing that
06:14:42.320 most ancient memory of our folk soul absolutely what say you swan um i think that it's worth
06:14:50.960 you know noting that um i and i've mentioned this before i think that when you know uh christians
06:14:58.160 talk about oh it's all part of god's plan or you know it's kind of this broad head of movement or
06:15:03.360 this sourcing of things um it i i think that if we're talking about godhead in the way that you
06:15:11.740 just contextualized it i would say that yggdrasil is perhaps the font the unmoving source of you
06:15:21.820 know of all things the the the first of the tripartite in the middle in the cosmos in the
06:15:29.540 chaos and the in the great gap and emir is transformed and avhumla is transformed but
06:15:36.300 yggdrasil remains but it is worth noting where is mimir placed he is placed along upon the route
06:15:44.320 at one of the the sources but i you know again then as the name implies mimir's memory so i i
06:15:52.280 think it's worth looking at instead of perhaps the spring in which all things are flowing is
06:15:58.800 more or less the value is where all things are flowing into is the memory well and that is what
06:16:06.120 truly makes him powerful so if if earth and earth earth's brunner earth's well in heaven is 0.92
06:16:16.140 the faunting of yggdrasil's power into the middle world everything's kind of descending through that 0.91
06:16:22.440 wellspring or threshold of liquid into the middle world everything that interplays all the weaving 0.93
06:16:28.360 of of orlong all the weaving of weird all the deeds that are done and the fates that are that
06:16:34.400 are made all plays out in the middle and then flows into memory and then there's a root there
06:16:43.680 a corresponding root that up so this that that is i think deeply important but ultimately that
06:16:50.800 the idea that the wellspring above drips into the the middle the wellspring in the middle drips to
06:16:56.320 the low and the wellspring in the low drips into the proto but each time there's a drawing up of
06:17:02.880 the roots super important there but if we're talking about uh like the godhead or the single
06:17:09.200 god um yeah i i agree with you i don't think it i don't think he correlates exactly as kind of this
06:17:17.600 overarching uh source i know like in like with plato's um referencing of things you know the
06:17:25.680 the kind of the divine source um i i would say yggdrasil fits that far better than mimir but
06:17:34.560 mimir is a part of the functioning of yggdrasil part of that circulatory system of the worlds of
06:17:43.680 the upper middle and lower and why it is so important to understand why there are roots
06:17:49.120 and why there are wells and why each of them placed within each level. I think that's a huge
06:17:56.880 part of our Aryan cosmology. So, Chris, as a follow-up, Chris, for those following along,
06:18:04.960 asks, so Mimir could, as Carl Jung called it, or could be, as Carl Jung called it,
06:18:11.360 our collective unconscious.
06:18:15.680 That is...
06:18:16.960 Yes, sort of. 0.59
06:18:19.240 It's not so much that Mimir himself is the collective unconscious 0.97
06:18:23.940 as he is a door to the collective unconscious. 0.97
06:18:29.200 His head is an access point to consult with the collective unconscious
06:18:36.360 in its most primal state.
06:18:41.360 The collective unconscious, the closest thing that I think we could call that is our folk soul.
06:18:53.200 And that incorporates past, present, and future to a degree that's really hard to express. 0.93
06:19:05.580 but mimir is a door to that collected folk memory
06:19:11.880 um or his head rather is a door to that collected folk memory that that the all-father can consult
06:19:21.540 um and with that uh swan if you would like to carry on with our next stanza please yeah i and
06:19:33.820 And I'm working currently, while we're actually going forward, I'm still looking back on stanza 46, so I might be interjecting a little bit because, again, the translation in Fearquake, All Who on Hell's Roads Are, really bothers me because that's not what is said.
06:19:53.880 You know, what is said is that Odin measures what is happening, and Mimir shakes.
06:20:03.020 So, and another thing, too, is he says, you know, fast-moving, or fast-move the sons of Mim, but it's more or less contextualized that the sons of Mim are playing, or as perhaps, like, again,
06:20:19.080 the inevitable is coming true. The song of the inevitable, the doom that is coming is playing
06:20:30.380 out. And so I just, that's really vexing me in a way. And so I'm still poking at some of these
06:20:41.700 things and it's worth noting like for me a lot of my translational stuff comes um you know it's
06:20:50.060 it's like i don't i haven't memorized the adas and or or even the volaspout like just i haven't
06:20:56.120 memorized it in old norse so a lot of it is about kind of picking it apart looking at it looking at
06:21:02.500 different meanings and perhaps what they could mean whether it's modern icelandic whether it's
06:21:07.280 old icelandic or whether it's old norse so a lot of that is kind of that that picking apart i don't
06:21:13.140 like to say certain things are what they mean unless i can kind of also get the grip of their
06:21:20.840 context because again sometimes you know uh the a simple name could have different context in
06:21:31.060 relation to the stanza so you know i i'm still picking it apart and i'm you know trying again
06:21:39.140 to give the best form of um i guess laying it out for people like a buffet for people to read into
06:21:50.480 to study to go back and look and say okay well i can kind of see it like this or perhaps bellows
06:21:56.140 translation is slightly different uh in this way than obviously like hollanders you know and so on
06:22:03.140 and so forth because that's really what i think our place uh as gothar and as the afa have always
06:22:10.720 done is we have looked at all of the translations laid them out and pondered them instead of simply
06:22:17.460 saying this is the translation of this and this is the translation of that because when you do that
06:22:26.060 you end up not fully contextualizing things or, you know, in reality, I see a lot of people just
06:22:32.280 make things up or leave things gray on purpose without any, you know, idea of it. Again,
06:22:40.400 a perfect example of that is people that translate the people of the wolf as to being
06:22:49.560 Heimdall. That was a big one for me where that, that translation was so glaringly kind of like
06:22:55.740 a stubbed toe that i i was like oh and people don't they'll take that for the value that it is
06:23:04.240 they'll see it it's written down oh that makes or that makes sense to them because they don't
06:23:09.180 have anything to contextualize it with it's not laid out before them and they accept it they eat
06:23:13.600 it down and it's probably very wrong so that's why if anybody's wondering why we're i'm laying
06:23:21.340 these out in kind of multiple angles is because that's what I want people to understand is that
06:23:25.840 we see our gods as the gods living and working and moving as they do. And that our stories are
06:23:32.280 kind of, again, seen from the angles of many different translations and our understanding
06:23:39.080 of old Norse in and of itself, which can be shaky at times. So we're in, you know, we're in 51.
06:23:51.340 um so this is an interesting one too so he says over the sea from the east there sails a ship
06:24:04.220 and i was looking at this translation too the the word cure if anybody's following along or oh i
06:24:10.940 don't i don't think we mentioned that they can't follow along oh we did this episode um yeah we
06:24:18.140 had the visual thing breaking down nick if you could post the uh link to the version that we're
06:24:27.740 we're reading this on so folks can follow along if they'd like and yeah that's the reason why we
06:24:35.900 had the ability to do it from the internet if they wanted to or from their you know tablet
06:24:40.860 while they're listening of course people i think that are listening strictly with audio or
06:24:48.140 you know, left at a slight disadvantage.
06:24:54.520 But I was, yeah, I was looking at...
06:24:56.140 So everybody knows we are doing the Bellows translation,
06:25:00.220 and you can find that independently.
06:25:02.820 We just happen to have a really convenient website
06:25:05.360 with the exact screen that Svon and I are looking on.
06:25:18.140 So, um, yeah, it's, it's, uh, over the sea from the east, there sails a ship and the, the ship is, is, is just a ship. It's not a specific ship. It is, you know, a kheol is a ship. So, uh, a ship fares from the east and comes the sons of musbels.
06:25:45.140 Now, this is, again, another interesting thing, because I wonder in relation to, we know that Snorri talks about the south and the coming of the sons of Muspel, and they're coming from Muspelheim, but again, they're referencing to the Jotuns as also being the sons of Muspel, or that in relation, which is why a lot of people don't know what Muspel means,
06:26:12.740 but correlate it to destruction or, or perhaps fiery destruction or, or what have you. And if
06:26:19.980 this is the word muspels, then, you know, this could be seen as like from the east, the ship 0.92
06:26:24.220 flows and there comes, um, you know, the, the, the sons of destruction, but it is worth noting
06:26:31.340 that in all of these cases, we see the moving through Midgar is in the form of a ship.
06:26:39.180 so again rivers and we talked about this before is that rivers are always kind of
06:26:46.620 liminal space between planar um thresholds and so every river that's mentioned in the stories
06:26:55.980 is kind of seen as a as a either a threshold within the world of or the plain or between
06:27:03.460 the plains we see that with gil in between the the land of the living in the land of the dead
06:27:09.120 We see that again with, oh crap, the name of the river alludes me, but in Harbarðr's tale, the river that he's crossing between Jotunheim and heaven.
06:27:25.480 But then there is clearly like the river Thund in heaven is a threshold between Valhall and the other realms of Ausgard.
06:27:36.760 So rivers always represent that liminal force space.
06:27:41.860 And from the east a boat comes, and from underneath a boat comes, the must-spell are faring, you know, through vessels, transferring between hard realms through a liquid.
06:27:58.740 And I think that that's another reason why, you know, when we talk about like holy spaces where people walk over bridges is a kind of reemphasizing of this.
06:28:10.380 So, um, a ship from the east sails, um, you know, with, with the sons, with the, uh, of, of Muspel. At the helm stands Loki. After the wolf do wild men follow. And with them, the brother of Baylist, Baylist goes.
06:28:35.720 so uh or bilist um so there's a couple things there i think ultimately perhaps the angling of
06:28:45.060 it uh of the sons of muspel and the the jotuns of the east and all of this is kind of being
06:28:51.060 laid before as again coalescing towards the center but i i i really do like the uh after
06:29:00.940 um you know after the wolf all of all of his of the powers with him go and i think that's
06:29:11.540 again referencing to the the the varker of the underworld of the the chaotic elements of the
06:29:18.880 of the east or of jotunheim or the place of dissipation everything is following in after
06:29:24.720 these great kind of focused points and another thing about this is Bailey's brother uh Bailey's
06:29:32.960 is again an unknown factor in relation to Loki and a most uh you know I think a lot of people
06:29:44.560 that are familiar with the lore will say oh yeah you know there's there's Loki's father is
06:29:48.800 the far biter or one that might again like in reference to an arrow sailing over and kind of
06:29:55.940 hitting something um i've heard people speculate too that that uh you know uh that far bauti
06:30:04.040 could be in reference to like a comet or something of that nature but there's no like specifics that
06:30:10.780 could be laid down or pointed at um and then of course laufi the the uh island the leafy or or
06:30:20.680 the place that is leafy but then there's mention of two brothers that loki has but there's never
06:30:27.140 any real letting into it and again these fragments part of the the corralling of the poems leaves us
06:30:35.920 with many unanswered questions in relation to perhaps other stories uh be list and hell blindy
06:30:43.200 are two beings mentioned as being connected to or like siblings of um loki and the only reason
06:30:52.080 why we know this is because the reference to loki is through this kenning bailey's brother
06:30:59.760 Now, the possibility of there being perhaps another reference that this, like, because they already mentioned that at the helm there is Loki, and generally translations, people believe that Biles' brother is Loki, but could they be also referring to Helblindi?
06:31:20.800 it's again one of those um kind of you know roads into the water um where we may not ever get the
06:31:32.560 connection point and i that's one of the most frustrating frustrating things about
06:31:39.000 um the lore is like well who is beely's brother oh most people equate it to loki but they've
06:31:46.260 mentioned Loki as being at the head. So, uh, you know, is, is this a reference elsewhere or perhaps
06:31:55.520 to hellblending? We don't know. So even though it clearly states from the East, you know, the
06:32:02.760 comes, the sons of Muspel, Sirt from the South fares forth, um, with the scourge of branches. 0.95
06:32:11.520 And, of course, this is a kenning for fire and flame. 0.86
06:32:24.240 So we have here the son of the battle gods shown from his sword.
06:32:33.760 Now, this is an interesting thing.
06:32:36.800 I think what they're, the translation is misplaced in the idea that they're talking about the skeins of light that shine from, or the spark of Muspel, the flames of Muspel shine forth in skeins of light from his sword or from his weapon.
06:32:57.480 And they liken his sword to like a beam of the sun.
06:33:02.140 And again, I think that parallels to the usage of the idea that the sun is a spark of Muspel
06:33:11.820 And that the dominion over that spark is placed upon a divine power
06:33:16.940 That holds that arcing order in the world
06:33:20.860 But is not the sun itself
06:33:24.360 Just as much as the earth is the body of Ymir 0.76
06:33:28.880 and that the dominion over that is Yarth or Nertha 0.99
06:33:34.420 and, you know, begetting of the Vanir and Fricka.
06:33:42.220 So we see here, he says, 0.99
06:33:45.720 the crags are sundered, the giant women sink.
06:33:52.480 the the uh the dead throng hell way and heaven is cloven and i really love that line um
06:34:06.440 it's it's such a powerful line in the idea of what we're talking about
06:34:13.120 is that the the mountains of heaven are shaken that the the nornir in essence
06:34:22.320 are drawing in the road to hell is is breached and so the below and the above are both kind of
06:34:32.680 in a way met and um the the clovenness of heaven is such a powerful thing and in in the in the
06:34:44.760 uh, translation of 52, it says in him in klovnar. And so again, I want to reemphasize to a lot of
06:34:52.460 the folks that might not realize that heaven is a Germanic word. It is a German word. It is not
06:34:58.040 in Aramaic. It is not in Hebrew. It is, uh, it is our word, if you will. Um, and so a lot of people,
06:35:07.340 you know, definitely get caught up on that. Like they do the word church. Um, and you know,
06:35:13.300 even though we could clearly talk about the circle or, or the Greek, you know,
06:35:17.180 usage of the word heaven is ours and it is quite clear. So, um, uh,
06:35:24.260 you know, as below is above, everything is cloven open.
06:35:29.620 And so, okay, this is an interesting one here. Uh,
06:35:33.920 anybody that is familiar with the Alcenier at length of all the goddesses and,
06:35:39.820 um, we, we clearly have a reference to,
06:35:43.300 Hlyn. And it says, now comes to Hlyn yet another hurt. And a lot of people have always correlated Hlyn directly to Frigg. And that's where a lot of the hypostasis idea comes from.
06:36:01.340 Perhaps Frigg is Hlyn and Frigg is Saga and Frigg is so on and so forth, but I would say it's worth noting that what Hlyn is, is an ausenior directly in correlation to the protection of those that Frigg is beloved.
06:36:26.140 She loves and cares for, and Hlyn then is the arbiter of that protection. And so the sorrow of Hlyn would be that one of the beloved of her lady, Frigg, is doomed now.
06:36:45.940 And so I think it would be worth stating that it could simply be just as it is, and that there's no reason to try to correlate these two and get confused. It's just understanding the Alseñir.
06:36:57.100 I think that the Alseñir, when we talk about the goddesses and we talk about the two major goddesses, absolutely and clearly, unshakably, are Freyga and Freyja.
06:37:09.360 And when we talk about the Alseñir in relation to, like, say, Sauga and Sjolven and Ljolven and Var and Vor, these Alseñir are kind of, again, correlated in as a, seen as kind of a court or seen as kind of as a, perhaps, spokes in a wheel.
06:37:36.200 where, you know, Frigga is kind of at center
06:37:42.340 because a lot of the motion that Frigga has in the world,
06:37:45.580 or she's of stasis, but the motion around her
06:37:48.380 is through the Asenir.
06:37:50.360 And so, again, now comes to Hlyn yet another hurt.
06:37:56.920 When Odin fares to fight with the wolf
06:37:59.540 and Belli's fair slayer,
06:38:03.780 This, of course, is referencing to Lord Frey, as he has been referred to as the Slayer of Beli, seeks out Surt.
06:38:16.000 And so these two are kind of, again, correlating the end dooming and connection points.
06:38:24.160 And so Odin fares forth to fight the wolf, and Frey fares forth to fight Surt.
06:38:31.500 And if you take things quite literally, you would be like, well, why are those two mentioned as being the hurt of Hlynne? And I think it's just simply noting that the protection and the charge of the beloved of Frigg is about to meet the doom. And that is yet another hurt.
06:38:49.120 and i think that when we're talking about yet another we're talking about balder balder is
06:38:55.760 of course clean is you know in charge of in the protection of of him as beloved of frigga and now
06:39:02.880 to another hurt is to come and then you know again the the addition of lord fray
06:39:10.160 fighting cert is again doesn't quite correlate but uh there must fall the joy of frig which is
06:39:17.760 of course, Lord Odin is the joy of Frigg. So, uh, 53 is, I think a lot of people read into it too
06:39:26.440 much, but it's an understanding of poetics and the addition of, and Bedley's fair slayer seeks
06:39:33.780 out Cirque is, is again, an, an addition that throws a lot of people off. If you look at line
06:39:39.620 one, line two, and line four in, in stanza 53, they're all in correlation to Odin. And I've
06:39:46.800 often wondered was this an interjection was this something that during the compiling of the poem
06:39:54.120 it was added in order to create the correct you know like meter um because it just kind of sticks
06:40:01.960 out um but you know that's again perhaps that was just something that at the time and understanding
06:40:12.200 with Snorri's translations and with the compiling of, of all of the adas at that time, you know,
06:40:18.960 we're talking, um, about 150 years after Iceland is converted. So there is a lot that can happen
06:40:29.120 in those translations and it's, you know, just worth considering. Um, so in stanza 54, then comes
06:40:37.540 Sigfather's mighty son, Vidar, to fight the foaming wolf. In the giant sun does he thrust
06:40:48.420 his sword. Full to the heart, his father avenged. So the, um, the, the usage of the sword,
06:41:02.180 The usage of, you know, again, the avengement of, and in the giant sun, the understanding of who that exactly is, is the Jotunar, or the Jotunborn Loki, who is the son of his father, Faurbaut.
06:41:24.720 So this is Fenris, or this is the chaos wolf that is being avenged by Vidar, who has come to finally commit to his correct action and bringing that.
06:41:40.080 So, you know, we talk about the meetings of these one-for-ones in the Voluspao, and there are, of course, gleanings and other poetics, but here it's pretty much just, you know, straightforward.
06:41:56.380 In 55, the translation here is truly, again, kind of, you know, interesting.
06:42:06.560 You know, in the Old Norse
06:42:11.560 This is
06:42:11.880 And, you know, it says
06:42:24.080 Hither comes the son of
06:42:26.440 Which is an interesting, you know
06:42:29.140 Use of the translation
06:42:30.960 I mean, I don't understand why it simply
06:42:33.020 Couldn't be Sigfather
06:42:35.140 Victory father
06:42:36.480 um the the bright snake gapes to heaven above um against the serpent goes oh then son
06:42:47.940 and this one is uh is again still draws a great amount of um you know uh question as far as um
06:42:57.860 where we go. And a lot of people reference the Haukbok, Hauksbok, in which this stanza doesn't
06:43:07.260 even exist. It's not placed within there. Clothing, of course, too, is another, you know,
06:43:18.700 word for jorth. So again, I think the reference there is that Bellows is trying to say the
06:43:27.820 This is Thor coming forth, but he doesn't say like the son of the sick father. He says the son of the earth.
06:43:38.760 And again, we, you know, we talk about that quite often with Lord Thor as he is the primogen of natural order and I mean, natural law and cosmic order.
06:43:52.660 He is the exact birthing point of those two powers that makes him different than, say, perhaps any of the other children beget between from the earth is that he is of the earth in the sky specifically.
06:44:09.580 And that's why at the mural at Thorshof, he is wearing red and gold in his chest with a blue cape, again, fire and light and the air.
06:44:22.880 And then his leggings and his wraps are brown and green, excuse me, and blue, representing the earth and the water.
06:44:34.020 And so he is the coalescence of the two.
06:44:36.620 so Thor now steps forth um to meet his doom against the serpent
06:44:45.960 and it's also worth noting too in 54 um that uh that he doesn't talk about the uh again the
06:45:01.660 the referencing of bringing up that garmer cries out again at neep at neeper neepa's cave or neepa
06:45:09.100 heller uh some people say just neepa's cave or neepa's chasm or or neepa's gate um but it's the
06:45:17.340 you know the underworld and that one that part is repeated so if you're looking at 54 and it says
06:45:23.020 you know uh uh it's that repeated stanza and he doesn't include it in the english
06:45:34.940 um translation but cries out garm from nipples nipa nipa's cave
06:45:40.780 so i don't know if you want to uh take questions or we keep so we don't really
06:45:54.780 have any questions that have come about so far from the text i think that
06:45:59.020 you know maybe some of the poetic expressions of these things are unfamiliar or confusing but i
06:46:07.260 I think most people understand what's going on here.
06:46:13.200 Most people understand and are of our audience
06:46:17.620 are familiar, at least in broad terms
06:46:19.880 with the events of Ragnarok.
06:46:22.280 And I think that's, I don't know.
06:46:26.160 I think folks are listening and taking in the beauty
06:46:29.760 of the poetry and the different nuances
06:46:32.200 that you're linking them into.
06:46:35.420 One thing I think is worth noting is the interchangeability of Jotunar, of the forces from Muspel, and the forces from Jotunheim.
06:46:58.420 time earlier in this series when we talked about how there is a variety of giants that
06:47:09.700 are talked about in our lore there's also a variety of in our lore there are a lot of
06:47:18.420 terms that get broadly applied based on a thing's allegiances we see that the iser originally
06:47:32.180 referred to a tribe of gods a particular kind of gods but after the first war of the gods
06:47:41.620 two groups of gods all come under that heading of iser from their own out they're all aligned
06:47:47.940 they're in a place of alignment when the you know there's big grand yotans that are primordial
06:47:58.940 forces of like big cosmic things those often are wise and you know some are even
06:48:11.480 beneficial to the gods to interact with here and there or to to mate with here and there
06:48:19.140 and if and when they do they then go into that isera category as well but the others that
06:48:26.140 don't and the ones with ill intention form this bigger group of yotnar which kind of encompasses
06:48:32.600 all of the bad guys if you will you see at various times
06:48:39.240 Jormungandr
06:48:43.260 or Fenrir
06:48:44.680 referred to as
06:48:47.320 giants or as the can of giants
06:48:49.720 or with this
06:48:51.600 Jotun attachment to them.
06:48:54.800 You see
06:48:55.280 that
06:48:57.240 used a lot. You also see that with the
06:48:59.600 idea of a
06:49:01.440 troll later. A troll can
06:49:03.500 mean lots of different kinds 0.80
06:49:05.640 of bad stuff
06:49:07.800 we don't like that's on the bad guys team those words kind of all have those things and you see it
06:49:14.280 um in a more positive way on the term uh elf or elf it can mean a variety of different
06:49:24.920 types of beings that are in an elevated state closer to our gods some of which are male
06:49:32.200 ancestors some of which occupy the natural world and are our land spirits some of them you know
06:49:43.880 are conceived of as like the yule elf um that delivers presents and stuff any a lot of those
06:49:52.360 good beneficial spirits are alvar just like any of the bad enemies of order enemies of the gods
06:50:04.200 forces of chaos get the term jotnar applied to them in a way and it's just something to kind
06:50:10.680 of track in your head as we go through the information yeah and it's uh you know if you're
06:50:16.280 able to read along on this um the uh 54 and 55 especially in relation to like hawksbock and how
06:50:25.000 the standing uh you know evidence of the of the verses are kind of in bad shape but there's all
06:50:31.080 you know it's also you know worth noting that bellows kind of shifts things around
06:50:35.880 because in 55 you know he says then comes in great strength sick father and i got that mixed up um
06:50:41.800 Um, uh, you know, he, the old Norse, he has, you know, it's 55, but he says it in 54,
06:50:50.720 then comes Sigfather's mighty son. And I, you know, realizing that Bellows' translations kind
06:50:57.340 of again, chop things up and then rearrange them on his end kind of throws me off as I'm reading
06:51:02.580 the old Norse side. And it's like, oh, you know, some are correct in their placement and other
06:51:08.560 times he he shifts things over in the english version keep keep in mind here you're trying to
06:51:15.360 get the bigger points that are laid out and you're trying to get an understanding of
06:51:25.040 a better way of relating to our gods through our lore the lore as it's come to us is not perfect
06:51:31.680 you can see in the text that we have where bellows makes a mistake in translation from the
06:51:39.680 you know original source material which is again many generations after the the first telling of
06:51:49.360 this in that language which in and of itself is eons after the origin of these events as our
06:52:00.400 you know the spark occurs divinely in our folk to manifest into our lore and our edic stories
06:52:08.720 so the exact specifics of all these things are fun exercises to try to hunt down and as you can
06:52:16.080 tell by swan's enthusiasm on these things it's cool and it's fun and it's worthwhile to do and
06:52:22.320 you learn a lot through the etymology but the point of all of this is to better understand
06:52:28.320 and build relationship with our gods and to align ourselves with them and i suppose that's
06:52:34.320 another thing that's worth mentioning going forward and again we're going to do this from
06:52:38.640 time to time is take little detours off the lore to talk about some of these points as they're
06:52:46.240 relevant relevant to usager so just as i rent um
06:52:58.480 beings are known in our lore by their points of allegiance we saw it with brandy when we were
06:53:08.320 talking about different groups of people in beowulf we've seen it throughout throughout this when we
06:53:15.840 talk about the forces aligned with order versus the forces aligned with chaos the defining
06:53:21.200 characteristic of these people is the team that they are loyal to choosing a side matters there's
06:53:32.160 not celebration of any of the figures that sit by and are on either team people pick a side
06:53:40.560 people pick a side and put on the jersey and that's really important to define who someone is
06:53:49.040 something essential to an altitude mind frame is defining you by who your friends are who your
06:53:58.940 family are what team you have aligned yourself with tells us who you are if you don't stand with
06:54:07.000 any team that's terrible that was the worst thing to our ancestors was the concept of being an
06:54:13.880 outsider being a loner you wanted to be part of a community part of a tribe part of a family part
06:54:20.680 of a house and so it's really important in also true that you take those sides the word also true
06:54:27.800 means loyal to the Aesir. It's not just we believe in the gods or we, you know, ascribe to this
06:54:37.340 generic, we generically associate ourselves with this corpus of lore as the backdrop for our
06:54:45.480 existence. It's much more than that. It's this being our corpus of understanding of
06:54:51.500 our cosmology and then us taking the extra step to be loyal and to affirm our loyalty and our
06:55:01.340 standing with the Isir. And those are two really important, you know, separate things. 0.91
06:55:08.660 There's been a movement, I say movement, there's a current in 1.00
06:55:13.740 heathenry as the, you know, unaffiliated people would kind of call themselves in modern times to 1.00
06:55:25.440 accept the mythos, accept the cosmology, but not 1.00
06:55:33.900 define their stance in it
06:55:38.260 or their loyalties to it.
06:55:40.820 And that's firmly not what we do
06:55:45.540 in the Ausatru Folk Assembly
06:55:47.340 and not what being Ausatru means.
06:55:50.820 A similar thing is
06:55:53.700 in Christianity, for example,
06:55:59.620 you have Christians
06:56:03.660 that define themselves by their loyalty to Christ and you have Satanists that most of them don't even
06:56:12.940 really believe or really worship the Christian devil as much as they stand in opposition to
06:56:22.980 Christian normalcy. But the point of commonality is they all accept the Judeo-Christian mythos as 0.75
06:56:31.060 as their canvas
06:56:34.080 that their life is painted
06:56:36.220 upon. They accept that as the reality
06:56:38.400 they're within. For a
06:56:40.280 time, that was the only
06:56:41.560 commonality in
06:56:43.800 modern Ausitru
06:56:45.540 was this idea of
06:56:48.260 loosely
06:56:50.020 believing that this myth
06:56:52.280 cycle is our myth cycle.
06:56:54.360 And you had
06:56:54.900 misguided
06:56:58.080 people trying to be
06:57:00.240 roca true or vana true or all these different little things to make themselves a special
06:57:06.440 snowflake no we first accept this is our reality and then from that place of understanding
06:57:16.500 we choose to stand loyally with the icer and that's that is a fundamental to our practice
06:57:24.620 you mentioning that and just um again i you know the rampantness versus the tangibility
06:57:37.780 of ideals the rampantness of people to like edge lord the edge lording of edge lords like
06:57:45.140 they were seeking these kind of like finite and brittle crusts in order to establish themselves
06:57:53.660 as being some pioneers of of ideals um and i really think that that was ultimately
06:57:59.700 you could see uh especially when in relation to people claiming that they were loyal to the
06:58:07.580 or the yotnar or rock a true or whatever that the hell they they want to call themselves is that
06:58:14.460 you know in reality they they're applying this concept that i i started to see in the early
06:58:22.320 like 2000s 2006 2007 is the idea of like the germanic ideals of heroism the aryan ideals
06:58:31.360 of divine heroism and nobility were being rejected and that it was the yotnar who were 0.99
06:58:38.220 actually the kind of misunderstood and that and that the the gods were just chad jerks like you 0.98
06:58:44.420 know uh bullying or being or or what have you that that was a clear thing that was something
06:58:51.360 that absolutely even though it wasn't said outright was was clearly being leveled these um
06:58:59.120 these people are basically saying that their world view is is that the gods of order which
06:59:03.840 they don't really truly see them as or believe in them are you know the bullies of the of the
06:59:10.560 thing and the misunderstood and so you clearly see they're really just painting a kind of world
06:59:15.440 view or a philosophy that they have upon the gods and that is you know in pious and it's
06:59:23.760 it's highest form of just i can't even like conceptualize around it again i have seen worse
06:59:31.600 in illustration but that's pretty bad just in i guess living your your your convictions out loud
06:59:40.000 These people are basically stating that. And what hubris to be able to live in a world where, you know, if the sky was to quake above them, it would clearly shake them to their core.
06:59:55.820 But when they're at home and they're in their armchairs, they can, you know, state like, oh, well, the gods are really like the bullies of the whole thing.
07:00:03.620 The Jotunar are misunderstood. It's kind of the obliviousness of being so disconnected from natural law and cosmic order at the height.
07:00:17.980 And I think that the, I think that the Jotunar revel in that ignorance. They revel in that, um, their inability to kind of ground themselves in the divine measurement in which the gods have stated and placed before us. 0.98
07:00:33.900 And, you know, again, if you that you are a supporter of that disillusion, if you're a supporter of that cosmic kind of chaos, you are not Ausatru and you are, in essence, kind of feeding into the overall. 0.76
07:00:49.580 And I think that also came about with a lot of the blanket caveat was that, according to the lore, Snorty was just Christianizing things.
07:00:59.500 And again, I spoke about that in the last episode is that that is not, I think, a correct path for any of us to follow is understanding that our ancestors did see, you know, a darkness and a light.
07:01:13.880 there was a gold and an, and an evil. There was good and evil. There was, you know, him and yeah
07:01:20.600 and hell. And it was just that, yes, perhaps there is Christianization in context, 0.81
07:01:27.400 but it's not being made up as in like, there's an absence of it. It's just that he's changing
07:01:33.240 the context. We still have those, those points and references. They, so these people were just
07:01:41.720 basically creating, you know, caveat arguments in order to get out and do what they wanted
07:01:47.160 to do. I'm sorry. I'm reading some of the comments corroborated by Tumblr. What a terrible
07:01:58.160 place. Yes. Uh, that, that, that was what I was speaking of in relation to the blasphemy
07:02:02.960 of, uh, and I'll use that word. Cause I just, not because it's ours, but because it's worth
07:02:08.620 it. It's, it's, uh, the, the, uh, terrible pictures of, um, the Aosa being like utilized
07:02:18.200 for political jargons. Um, Sif wearing a hijab was probably the most, um, uh, just enraging 1.00
07:02:30.880 to see, um, as if that was in, or in some case, you know, because our hair was cut off 0.96
07:02:38.100 in the story by Loki that now
07:02:40.040 she's, you know, down for wearing 0.84
07:02:42.040 Muslim garb. 0.99
07:02:46.260 Or, you know, that 1.00
07:02:47.660 Lord Tyr and the fact
07:02:50.220 that his hand, the hand is missing, that he's
07:02:52.260 somehow,
07:02:53.600 you know, what is it?
07:02:58.040 Or able
07:02:59.480 or I guess pro
07:03:03.280 handicappedness or whatever.
07:03:06.120 Tumblr
07:03:06.800 and basically impious people, they abound and they have a new medium in which they can spread
07:03:13.040 a lot of these ideals. And yes, it's terrible, but there's a lot of people that are kind of
07:03:18.660 working against it. And I think too, another thing that's worth noting is a lot of these people
07:03:22.500 either fall away and don't continue on with their faith towards the gods. They're just using the
07:03:28.640 gods is to prop up their political ideology. Yeah. Sorry, Adam. Yes. Uh, it's wearing a hijab.
07:03:37.240 That was, uh, that was brutal. Um, is, uh, you know, these, they're utilizing the gods to kind 1.00
07:03:47.260 of push their agendas. And that is the greatest way of understanding that they don't believe in
07:03:52.600 the gods as powers. They don't believe that the gods have dominion in their life. They don't
07:03:57.920 believe that and that could ultimately
07:03:59.760 extend to the to the yolk nut as well
07:04:01.920 this is just a game for them this
07:04:03.920 is just something that they're doing on the weekends
07:04:05.860 this is just a lexicon
07:04:07.800 of words that they utilize to
07:04:09.580 I guess apply
07:04:11.960 their 1.00
07:04:12.260 shitty ideology 1.00
07:04:15.500 and it's
07:04:20.020 infuriating absolutely
07:04:21.780 handicapable 1.00
07:04:23.500 terrible
07:04:27.920 So, moving on from that, I'm ranting, if you will.
07:04:38.900 No, no, you're fine. It's absurd, and we don't...
07:04:49.900 By rejecting the foreign faith of Christianity and rejecting its mythos, that's one step.
07:05:02.160 But if we're just transferring the same rebellious edgelord stuff, but putting a Norse coat of paint on it, it's not fixing the problem.
07:05:13.980 I think a lot of our people talk about shifting our worldview, and some of that has to do
07:05:25.680 with shifting our points of reference from a Judaic system of points of reference to
07:05:32.420 an Arian system of points of reference, but it's much more than that.
07:05:37.920 that's a step to get us into a different way of seeing the world but what takes you from
07:05:45.340 something else to being also true isn't that it's that and then aligning yourself with the
07:05:52.800 forces of nobility and order without that other step you're just a different flavor of
07:06:00.540 degenerate edgelord with different symbols
07:06:05.420 well um again a lot of the beauty of um the poetics are here in bellows translations
07:06:19.440 but there's like some key points too that again kind of show up in relation to perhaps the way
07:06:26.700 he translates things um so you know he says in anger smites the water of the earth
07:06:34.900 forth from their homes must all men flee nine paces fares the son of fjorkin we'll get into
07:06:46.100 that and slain by the serpent fearless he sinks so uh you know in 56 in in the old norse uh
07:06:56.260 Now comes in might, the son of Lodh, the earth.
07:07:12.200 So the earth's son of the earth and of Odin, he comes forth to meet the mighty Midgard serpent.
07:07:26.260 And in Midgard's, the usage of the word Veir is really one that I like to, you know, key in on there.
07:07:36.820 Is the, you know, from the might of Midgard's holiness, the Veir, the strength of the, of.
07:07:48.300 So now we're talking about the, the might of the, of, of Thor against Jormungandr.
07:07:54.500 And in this, I like to conceptualize some of the things as we're talking about perhaps greater cosmic ideals instead of just nitpicking on poetics is that I kind of feel when we're talking about the sun of the earth and of the sky, if we're talking about Lord Thor as his point of the, the, between natural law and cosmic order between the sky and the earth, between all of these things.
07:08:23.400 I find it oftentimes worth, you know, considering the might of his being in relation to the earth as like the magnetic.
07:08:35.420 Sometimes, you know, and as we know in this understanding, and I've spoken about that before,
07:08:39.020 as our understanding of science kind of also helps perhaps look at myth or mythos in an interesting way,
07:08:46.460 uh is is this this moment of understanding of like perhaps the magnetic pull or the currents
07:08:55.980 of the of the waters in relation to each other and how these kind of come about and with our
07:09:01.540 understanding of of perhaps the flows underneath the earth and the flows above the earth um we're
07:09:08.880 starting to see that again the great shifting and i've often wondered about the nine paces um
07:09:14.620 there's a lot of theories on it but or conceptualizations i should say not theories
07:09:21.600 conceptualizations as to the nine paces the nine paces could be simply a poetic
07:09:26.500 re-establishing of the holy number nine it could again also be uh seen as perhaps uh phases in
07:09:33.880 which the turning of the earth and the currents are you know composed of as they move and change
07:09:42.120 as this fight between Lord Thor and Jormungandr commit.
07:09:49.860 Oh, I also wanted to mention that Jormungandr means the gigantic wand.
07:09:55.460 Again, and this is a poetic reference to a snake not having legs.
07:10:01.320 A snake not having legs, in an essence, is a gondr,
07:10:04.940 But it's a turning, coiling, gigantic wand is a poetic usage of the name of the great serpent.
07:10:14.600 So if we were to say the world serpent or the, you know, the mighty serpent that looses its tail, you know, it's in equivalency with English that we could say that without, you know, saying the direct translation or because that would lose its poetic meaning.
07:10:31.780 But Jormungandr is oftentimes just viewed as, oh, I've heard people say like Jormungandr or Jormungandr as just a name without contextualizing its poetic meaning.
07:10:44.560 but um you know i wonder often if the scalds that speak of the stories of the gods if the name of
07:10:55.780 like to conceptualize the idea that what if ior mangander is a name that is is utilized for poetic
07:11:03.660 meaning in the old norse but was not spoken of in direct like referencing before the understanding
07:11:13.040 of the serpent is as old as um our people and the idea of then this coalescence of the warrior
07:11:20.080 fighting the serpent the striker fighting the great worm it's all there but it's you know i i
07:11:28.640 think it's important for us to understand that yormungandr is the old norse referencing to this
07:11:37.760 force this this being this serpent the the the that are no undoubtedly our ancestors
07:11:45.520 knew of spoke of and we can clearly see it through all arian mythos um as not being called
07:11:53.760 is that it's like the the force is older than the name but the name is also important because
07:12:00.080 it's one of the last and most beautifully poetically you know uh levied names towards
07:12:06.880 this, this creature. So when people, you know, speak, I think like when they're coming into
07:12:12.780 Alistair and they're speaking about the stories and they, they, oh, that, that's the serpent is
07:12:17.520 Jormungandr and Jormungandr is the, you know, fights with Thor. And instead they should also
07:12:24.560 kind of open up to understanding that Thor, Thunor, Thonaraz, Donner, he has, you know,
07:12:33.520 many names in our variants of names in our languages but he is that mighty god who is
07:12:40.020 fighting against that mighty force um and it goes past the viking age and i say that with
07:12:48.080 air quotes um and it's worth you know noting that um and and again it it places itself
07:12:56.360 when people try to overly translate and stick strictly to old norse without
07:13:01.020 conceptualizing origin of story and where stories come from and why they were spoken they were not
07:13:10.760 spoken always in poetics they were spoken as tales and then those tales you know can be
07:13:17.840 formulized into meter and it's beautiful and even to the point where again it's almost semi
07:13:25.240 um scripture-esque in the idea of how beautiful it's it sounded but i don't think we should
07:13:31.900 overly um focus to the point where we lose origin and core and understanding again that that applies
07:13:40.340 here with um the son of fjorken so fjorken is like the word yarth it is in relation to and
07:13:51.500 snorty calls her a jotun we know that the goddess of the earth as according to tacitus
07:13:57.100 spoke of they he calls her nerthus um and so a lot of times this correlation um is you know
07:14:07.960 seen as more of a linguistic and not a hypostasis thing is that the old norse simply just called
07:14:13.500 nerthus yar because it means the same thing it's the earth it's where we get the word earth from
07:14:18.180 It's where we get the word hearth.
07:14:21.480 And in the same sense, when we talk about Frigga being born of the earth.
07:14:31.640 So Fjorkiner can represent, and it throws people off because it's mentioned clearly,
07:14:37.360 a Fjorkin as she is the goddess of the earth or the dominion of the earth.
07:14:43.020 And she bears forth Frigga.
07:14:44.940 And a lot of people try to, again, hypostasis her and Frigga as being simply the same, or they need to make, again, Odin is singular sky daddy and Frigga now is singular earth mommy.
07:14:58.980 And all of those iterations and the plurality of polytheism kind of starts to get washed away, even by people who claim that they're polytheists.
07:15:07.520 um the uh the the idea of the usage of the word fjörkiner clearly states that he is the son of
07:15:15.800 the earth and that the earth is again yard or the the the birthing of of the solid to the sky the
07:15:27.100 the the above and in that case you know Odin is the sky father that's what he is the father and
07:15:33.780 He is of the sky and he comes and he, you know, melds with Fjörgen or with Fjörgen or with the earth in the beginning when the battle is ensuing.
07:15:50.540 So, you know, a lot of people try to conceptualize, well, no, he couldn't be with Jörg, he would have to be with Frigga.
07:15:56.920 But it's it's they're trying to create marriage lines or, you know, different things and they lose context of what's going on here.
07:16:08.360 As Lord Odin is dynamic and he is threefold, one of his fold comes down and impregnates the earth and the earth then gives forth the great being of fury that is Lord Thor.
07:16:22.800 so um i just uh you know wanted to contextualize that there they're talking about him as the son
07:16:29.600 of the earth but that kind of levies itself to be again the son of yard the son of the earth
07:16:37.380 as a goddess or and as a being that is a domin the dominion of the body of emir um and that puts a
07:16:48.440 lot of uh people in a tizzy um i don't know why but it's like again i think that uh when it comes
07:16:55.040 to tangible bodies whether we're talking about the earth or the moon or the sun it it's very clear
07:17:02.060 for us to say oh or even just let's just say people that we know like oh that's mother nature
07:17:06.620 don't don't mess with mother nature but the manifestation of the elements or the earth
07:17:14.180 Our ancestors saw as much like an inhabited thing, like a house, or the dominion of the earth is being formulated by Yarth.
07:17:27.740 And so therefore he is of the earth through her and of the ground itself, kind of both, the spiritual and the tangible, if you will.
07:17:38.120 Um, so in, in, uh, stanza, uh, 57, uh, the sun turns black, the earth sinks in the sea,
07:17:57.020 the hot stars down from heaven, our world fierce grows the steam and the life feeding flame.
07:18:08.120 till fire leaps high about heaven itself even the sky is on fire
07:18:15.080 the um the one thing here i wanted to see is in relation to a specific word but we're talking
07:18:27.620 about now that the the heavens are engulfed in flames as well in lieu of the earth because
07:18:34.020 remember when we're talking about the heavenly world the center and the above and so if the earth
07:18:41.100 and the world is on fire the the now the flames are reaching the place of the aloftness uh even
07:18:49.440 the tree is being singed by the flames now and that's a you know that's a huge you know huge
07:18:56.740 point as we're seeing movement again in reference to flames. Let me see here.
07:19:08.740 I was wondering too, if you wanted to take a couple of questions.
07:19:13.620 ah yes um the turning turning black so instead um yeah the the kind of dimming
07:19:24.940 to turn into darkness the sun turns into the darkness um
07:19:30.220 and the you know the the great power of the earth uh sinks into the waves
07:19:37.500 um and and um heaven is stirred
07:19:44.040 uh great torrents flow um
07:19:50.480 and old flames are you know lick the edges of heaven as it is it is uh uh set ablaze
07:20:00.300 um 58 then does commit and he adds this he correlates it even though he didn't before
07:20:07.820 uh uh garm cries out again from from nipahel um the fetters will burst the wolf will run free
07:20:20.660 much do i know and more i can see of the fate of the gods and the mighty in fight
07:20:25.280 So this, again, is one of those repetition lines that reemphasizes and recontextualizes who's speaking.
07:20:32.780 A lot is going on here.
07:20:36.220 So there's so much being kind of projected forth that the poet utilizes this as like an anchor point.
07:20:43.840 So as the poet could read through the stanzas from memory in his head, he would then come back to this point.
07:20:51.880 and then like okay after this verse there is this stuff that i need to finish on and perhaps this
07:20:59.580 verse is kind of like a hearkening of the finish it is the final gate in which we move through
07:21:05.840 in order to kind of close out the poem um and this is again it becomes uh very very quick
07:21:17.920 now i do see the earth a new rise all green from the waves again uh he writes the cataracts fall
07:21:26.680 and the and the eagle flies i think this is uh again the overhead all that which is blocking
07:21:35.560 light and blocking the wind is kind of falls and he uses the the cataracts which i thought was
07:21:42.080 truly interesting um and and fish he catches between or beneath the cliffs
07:21:50.740 the eagle catches the fish so everything comes back into order the natural kind of inclination
07:22:06.940 So she really jumps into kind of the destruction of all things to the immediacy of it being kind of reordered again and that things are kind of brought.
07:22:19.080 I've always kind of taken this as perhaps after the great turning of this sundering, this breaking apart,
07:22:26.700 that the order of the eagle catching the fish is, again, the telling of a great amount of time
07:22:36.840 in which things have to work themselves back to the semblance of what we could understand as being normal.
07:22:43.460 um the the gods in in uh and in um either valley in either well the gods and either of all meet
07:22:55.840 together again either of all is the plane of work it's the uh place in which ausgard is built
07:23:01.880 either of all is seen as kind of like the great spance it's a valley if you will um and so again
07:23:09.420 referencing to the gods being in a valley in heaven either of all is that place of potential
07:23:14.780 where ausgard was built i love you and uh they meet together and they speak of the of the uh
07:23:29.100 the holder of the soil the holder of the earth or mold is is dirt soil um
07:23:36.860 earth or ground. And so here they speak again of Jormungandr and the age before when things
07:23:50.740 were settled and the mighty past they call to mind and the ancient runes of the ruler
07:24:00.380 of the gods. Of course, this Fimbletir, they're referring to Lord Odin and his attainment of the
07:24:07.140 runes. So in stanza 60, the gods in Ithaval meet back together. And again, it's not referencing
07:24:14.800 to the sons of the gods, but I think it's understood that there are some who survive and
07:24:20.420 those who do not, and that they are anew in a different way. And now the new hierarchy
07:24:27.460 is is attained the you know generally we speak of the rise of balder unified again whole um
07:24:36.840 with nana and that or that if you will it's like a balder and hob become one as the true form of
07:24:44.840 balder and um you know he takes his stead along with all of the other gods again multiplicity
07:24:54.640 And they speak of Lord Odin and his, the one who knew the way of the runes, who attained them through sacrifice.
07:25:06.380 Yeah.
07:25:07.060 That, you know, that part right there about the gathering of the gods in Ithavol.
07:25:25.340 And I think it's also worth referencing that perhaps they're calling to mind Ithavol
07:25:29.960 because it's the place in which Asgard stood.
07:25:32.960 and that they're talking about the new potential being built up again.
07:25:45.140 In verse 61, we move into the Vala again describing the return.
07:25:53.580 This is the kind of the new dawn, if you will, of the gods as the cycle realigns itself again.
07:26:02.060 The holy land of the gods has been sundered.
07:26:07.860 Heaven was given asunder.
07:26:10.180 And now things are turning and that new dawn is to arise again.
07:26:15.220 In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden table stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in days of old.
07:26:22.940 So the remnants of the heavenly order, the remnants of all that which they built, the organization of the world, lays in ruin and they are being picked up by the new descendants of the gods.
07:26:37.320 then fields unsewed bear ripened fruit all ills grow better and balder returned balder comes back
07:26:47.100 there balder and hoth dwell in hrupt's battle hall in their father's hall they stand and the
07:26:57.060 mighty gods all of them would you yet would you know more you know would you uh would you know
07:27:05.640 yet more um here is an interesting part too i think that um one of the the points that i bring
07:27:16.780 up about uh lord odin as being the the three if you will the three is one and the one is three is
07:27:24.800 in here in reference to honor um and his taking of the of the prophetic wand um is the idea that
07:27:33.640 Lord Odin is three, but one, and if one is, one is taken down, he is not let go. He is not
07:27:46.320 destroyed in whole. Um, and so again, Connor or, uh, uh, Vili, if you will, takes up the prophetic
07:27:57.240 Like wands, the understanding of the runes, if you will, the tines.
07:28:08.360 And the sons of the brothers of Tveki abide in Vindheim now.
07:28:16.960 And you know more or how.
07:28:19.780 So this is truly, I believe, like this is a really, really interesting translation.
07:28:32.040 When we talk about Twiggy, I think they're referencing to Odin, and I've brought this up numerous times about him being the trifold.
07:28:41.240 But if he is slain in Ragnarok as one, there are two that still remain in the idea.
07:28:49.400 but it's not two separate. It is still Odin. Odin still remains, but now is two. So he is the twined
07:28:58.100 one, the twisting one, the one that is bound together in twos. So I've always kind of taken
07:29:05.340 these translations as why I, at Odin's Hoff, when I spoke, I said Odin is three but one and one but
07:29:13.220 three is again kind of in correlation to these stanzas and the idea that the dynamicism of of
07:29:19.780 lord odin is that he is a tripartite and that tripartite is stilled after ragnarok because
07:29:27.620 one of the three is kind of destroyed but he is still here he is still uh you know takes place
07:29:35.860 within Vili and as Vey or in this, you know, Tveki, the twice bound now instead of the tri bound.
07:29:53.440 Then more fair than the sun, a hall I see roost in gold, it is Gimli. And a lot of people have
07:30:00.820 always i i don't know where this came about the idea of gimli it stands there shall the righteous
07:30:06.980 rulers dwell and happiness ever there shall they have and um somewhere along the way someone was
07:30:12.820 trying to say like gimli is the heaven of the gods if they were it's like the place above ausgard or
07:30:19.620 they try to create like another level i don't think that's the case i think this is they're
07:30:24.000 speaking of now the the golden hall the joyous hall of gimle is the the new hall in which the gods um
07:30:35.760 commit their their enacting of order again um and there comes up my all power to hold
07:30:44.560 a mighty lord in all lands he rules and so this is um this is an interesting one too
07:30:54.480 uh because they some i mean this might very well be um again perhaps an interpolation
07:31:04.800 but it says you know thou cammer in riki that then comes in the kingdom at uh ray and domi the
07:31:14.560 regent domini or the, you know, again, it's, it's, uh, these words exist in United through
07:31:21.380 Aryan languages is that this is the, you know, in the kingdom, um, this, this mighty, uh, world
07:31:28.720 leader is to rule over. And you can take this in a lot of different ways. Some people have said,
07:31:35.460 you know, this is the Christianization part. It's not what he's talking about, you know, uh,
07:31:40.500 jesus and he has mentioned in other poetic forms a kind of correlation um that may i mean that
07:31:49.460 were far more uh clear but he might not he could also be speaking of perhaps a worldly leader or
07:31:57.980 an avatar of the gods that takes over the dominion of the earth or takes a dominion of the folk or
07:32:04.800 takes a dominion of of the the lands um this could also have a historical reference and the
07:32:11.340 idea that perhaps it was placed out that like the king of norway or uh it was that harold the fair
07:32:17.540 hair kind of took over the dominion of norway and so the idea of this trope of a of a of a uniting
07:32:23.920 king is still there even outside of a christian context so it doesn't always have to be that he's
07:32:31.480 just throwing in this uh he's referring to jesus he's he's christianizing it because again i think
07:32:36.260 that facilitates that excuse elsewhere i think what it's more important to say is that the the
07:32:44.040 idea of a unifying leader comes forth and this could be the leader of the gods or it could be
07:32:49.980 the leader of the folk it's kind of left you know open um and it says uh from below the dragon dark
07:33:00.240 comes forth. Nithhogg still exists. Nithhogg, the soul of Ymir still rides because again, 0.63
07:33:08.560 he is, he is not mentioned as being slain in all of Ragnarok. Um, and from below, you know,
07:33:17.080 he, he comes forth flying from Nithafjol, from, from the underworld or from, from the land and
07:33:25.400 the shadow beneath uh the the bodies of men upon his or the corpses he he bears upon his wings the
07:33:33.520 serpent bright uh bright but now must sink so again i think this is a a another iteration and
07:33:42.320 another reason why i often refer to nidhogar as the soul of emir is that he rises in the in the um
07:33:50.260 as his soul was released in the beginning then too he rises up during the upsurgence and must
07:33:57.500 sink down again as he is part of that gravitas the the soul of emir and nidhogg is as correspondent
07:34:05.040 in polarity to the brightness and the soul power of yggdrasil and of uh of um bar and best law
07:34:14.960 and their creation as of heaven these polarics have to exist it's continuously in our in our
07:34:22.560 mythos cycle and so they have to state it in a way to kind of again bring it and i think that's
07:34:28.400 very arian so that's why the stanza 65 i don't always kind of correlate strictly to snorty
07:34:35.820 trying to christianize anything as it is more or less a reaffirming of the unifier leadership the
07:34:44.520 unifier. It could mean even just
07:34:46.480 like again
07:34:47.140 the rule of faith
07:34:50.440 over the folk
07:34:52.360 and that the folk now come to
07:34:54.820 understanding the gods and
07:34:58.040 living their life in
07:35:00.540 unification under
07:35:01.720 the rulership and the
07:35:04.500 region of faith itself
07:35:06.600 towards the gods
07:35:07.440 and are no longer
07:35:10.320 sundered or broken. I think it's far
07:35:12.420 too easy
07:35:13.400 for us to take anything that's confusing in the lore and immediately,
07:35:21.080 oh, well, Snorri's trying to Christianize it.
07:35:24.380 I think that's an easy answer for anything that we don't understand.
07:35:29.540 And I think that's intellectually lazy,
07:35:33.780 and I don't think it's doing our job to try to understand our lore,
07:35:39.420 understand our faith and build a better a better understanding of of our god for us
07:35:48.540 and the wisdom of our ancestors um there's nothing in there it talks about jesus
07:35:55.900 um i and as fawn said i don't think we have perfect clues on exactly what that reference at the very
07:36:05.500 end is um but the idea of unifying are just constantly bickering people that have such
07:36:17.420 hard times getting along with each other unifying them under a mighty lord that
07:36:24.700 controls things and that's in charge of stuff is a really nice idea it can mean a lot of different
07:36:30.620 things and to struggle to come to a more perfect understanding of what that might be i think is
07:36:38.940 interesting and inspirational and shouldn't just be a oh that's just jesus stuff
07:36:45.500 like a quick go-to and i think that's lazy and unfair
07:36:50.220 I think one of the things that I'm very I've always been very inspired by is some of this
07:37:04.260 imagery in the velocity how it uh
07:37:13.700 how the the cycle of our divinity
07:37:19.940 starts and ends in this tale with the bookends of
07:37:26.740 structuring order and restructuring order the bookends of um you know in wondrous beauty once
07:37:40.580 again shall the golden table stand with the grass with the god which the gods had owned in the days
07:37:45.460 of old this re-establishment of the natural order of our gods and divinity within the cosmos after
07:37:54.580 after that wolf age and that time of destruction.
07:38:01.540 It's been very inspirational in the fact that we are reforging the faith of our ancestors.
07:38:13.680 That we went through a period of, you know, a thousand years or more, 0.69
07:38:18.240 depending on the place of our gods being submerged in the murk and the deep of Christianity
07:38:27.880 and our reclaiming the things of our ancestors, resetting things up, rewriting the tables,
07:38:37.960 reoccupying the halls honoring the gods once again um that that imagery is very inspirational
07:38:48.640 to how so true as we have it today and the things that we're doing the things that we're doing
07:38:54.900 together and the the goals that we're trying to achieve i think that that imagery is a is a
07:39:00.620 powerful thing to guide us through that process.
07:39:10.760 So I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did.
07:39:16.320 I've enjoyed having this time to go through the Valespa with you,
07:39:20.380 and I've really enjoyed listening to Witten Svahn share his deep insights on this with us
07:39:29.540 and go through this with us.
07:39:32.280 So thank you very much for that, Svon.
07:39:35.260 Oh, absolutely.
07:39:36.740 This is good.
07:39:39.400 I'm reading these comments.
07:39:42.260 I'm reading a lot of these great points.
07:39:45.460 I think one thing that was brought up is, you know, the ideas.
07:39:50.060 You'll hear a lot of the word interpolation in relation to the,
07:39:54.720 like when they're looking at Hauxbach and the Regis,
07:39:58.640 the codex regius and uh is there an interpolation or was it dropped out was it forced in there's a
07:40:05.080 lot of that but if if we read the entirety of it as as the stories themselves that i think they're
07:40:12.960 it's clear that they have like a great correlation when people correlate the futhark with the you
07:40:18.760 know the volus bow here's the other thing in relation if this is the only edict poem that
07:40:24.460 you ever read or have ever read then there's all kind of references to things you may not be
07:40:30.940 familiar with there's things that may not make as much sense one of the things with our lore
07:40:40.140 is there's not a clear stopping and starting point because it's gathered from far and wide
07:40:49.620 once you become more familiar with all of the different stories that we have access to
07:40:57.260 each of them shed light on the others and you gain a more complete understanding and a more
07:41:05.380 complete picture of the story as told and it gives insight to these little tidbits that may
07:41:11.960 seem odd or may not be readily accessible to you. So that's a really cool thing. Also,